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December 13, 2006
More Government Giveaways
Now Robeson County, NC, has given away some of it's spare cash (about $38,000) because apparently the county has too much cash. But oh, don't worry, they're not alone -- that's only one small part of $6.5 million in taxpayer money that was given away to people who wanted it.
Yes, folks, when you read next year about the tax increases across the state -- at the city, county, and state level because they simply don't have enough, keep in mind they gave Robeson Little Theatre $1,800. Why? Because they wanted it, not because they earned it, or because any citizens wanted to give them the money. American Indians Mothers, Inc. got $2,000 of cash that you worked for. How long did you have to work to earn $2,000? The American Indian Mothers didn't work at all, they just put their hand out and government threw money at them.
Oh, how I yearn for freedom.
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December 12, 2006
Famous Photographer!
Someone around here is starting to get famous! Imagine getting $450 for a photograph you took for yourself. And at the same time being introduced as an artist with a "professional debut." I'm quite impressed (and perhaps just a tiny bit jealous). Better go view her work now, so you can say you knew her "back when."
Congratulations, Michele!
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Wow! This was such a very nice thing to come across. Thank you!
Posted by: Michele at December 14, 2006 03:47 AM (vMvlg)
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It's true and a great accomplishment.
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Bush's Poll Numbers
The big news is that "USA is more pessimistic on Iraq war." They're reporting that fewer than 1 in 5 people trust Bush to do the right thing in Iraq (and EVEN LESS believe the Democrats in Congress will do the right thing).
That tell me that I'm not in the minority. If most people wanted to follow the Democrat path to complete and total surrender and Dhimmitude, there would be much confidence in Supreme Ruler Pelosi -- since there is not, the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that the majority are
with me in my thinking:
America, acting alone and with overwhelming force, must destroy the Iranian Islamic State now.
We just have no confidence that either Bush or the Democrats will do what truly needs to be done.
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Guard the Borders
Going By The Numbers
by Nancy Matthis
Understanding the impact of illegal immigration does not depend on accepting partisan opinions. It is just the result of doing some simple math.
In a previous article,
Illegals Deadlier Than War On Terror, we compared the numbers of United States citizens killed by illegal aliens to the tally of our troops killed in the war on terror. In response to that article, one of our readers wrote asking whether we had seen the
video produced by NumbersUSA titled
Immigration by the Numbers. He asked, “I wonder how accurate it is?”
This widely distributed video uses gumballs in a jar to visually demonstrate the impact of numbers that increase
exponentially rather than
linearly. These are mathematical concepts that are immediately meaningful to folk with a technical background, but may be harder to understand for others. The answer to our reader’s question is that the video IS accurate. It is not based on partisan opinion. It is just a very graphic illustration of an algebraic equation.
You can
view a clip from the video here. Roy Beck of NumbersUSA is not depending on any esoteric data. He’s just doing the math, based on the US Census numbers, which actually grossly UNDERESTIMATE the number of illegals in the United States.
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NC State and Local Fiscal Modernization Study Commission
Wonderful. The solution to all the world's problems are just a committee meeting away. You see the newest NC state commission is going to meet soon. And they're going to solve all the financial problems of the state. This committee is meeting to determine if they will overhaul the entire fiscal structure of the state. According to bureaucrats, the state's fiscal structure was built on a agricultural society and since that has changed, so must the state. But watch for the part that shows freedom doesn't have a chance in this state:
Economists say an overhaul is needed or else the General Assembly will have to keep raiding trust funds and raising taxes to balance the state budget. Local governments argue that they'll have to keep driving up property taxes to pay for Medicaid, transportation and school construction needs.
In other words, there's absolutely no concept of fiscal discipline in NC state government. No one will ever consider for a second the actual freedom-based solution: STOP SPENDING MONEY! I know I'm living in a fantasy-world -- but hey, this is the only place I can find freedom these days.
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December 11, 2006
Sgt. Major Joke
Everyone needs a smile in the afternoon.
An architect, an artist and a Sergeant Major were discussing whether it was better to spend time with the wife or a mistress. The architect said he enjoyed time with his wife, building a solid foundation for an enduring relationship. The artist said he enjoyed time with his mistress, because of the passion and mystery he found there. The Sergeant Major said, "I like both." "Both?" Sergeant Major, "Yeah. If you have a wife and a mistress, they will each assume you are spending time with the other woman, and you can go to the shop and get some work done."
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Hence the reason Sgt Majors are the ones getting the work done, the know how to make sure they are not bothered.
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Posted by: Ogre at December 11, 2006 06:41 PM (oifEm)
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LMFAO BRO!!!!
I had to tell my wife that one...
Posted by: Gun Toting Liberal at December 11, 2006 08:09 PM (OKBoD)
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Glad you liked it! And thanks for stopping along.
Posted by: Ogre at December 11, 2006 08:11 PM (oifEm)
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LOL... now if I could figure that out with my kids!
Posted by: vw bug at December 11, 2006 08:48 PM (ZbLU8)
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I don't think kids and mistresses go together too well...
Posted by: Ogre at December 11, 2006 10:28 PM (IuJ8j)
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Well, if the mistress (I mean "aunt whoever") brings presents, they get along FAMOUSLY!
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English is Racist
If you are reading this (and haven't run it through a translator), then you ARE racist. That is, according to Union Thug and Austin Council Member Mike Martinez.
I was concerned about the potential legality of such a policy and what prompted a department director to move in a policy direction that could be viewed as potentially racist.
What policy? Oh, one that would require employees to speak and write in English. But hey, everyone, now, who speaks English is racist. Who are we to actually want to communicate with people in English? According to Mr. Martinez, everyone should be able to speak in whatever language they want (as long as it's not English), and it's up to everyone ELSE to figure out how to communicate with them.
Mr. Martinez and the Union thugs in Austin, you're scum.
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Hey, skip the trip to Austin, come to College Station in stead. The beer is colder, the women are AMAZING, and the town is just SO MUCH NICER in general!
Posted by: Smokey at December 11, 2006 06:38 PM (xBtls)
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Is everyone who speaks English there racist, too?
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Charlotte Housing: NO Freedom
It used to be, once upon a time, a long time ago, a man's home was his castle. In fact, that's one of the primary ideas upon which this country was founded: that people should have the freedom to own property. Over the past 100 years, however, that freedom has been quickly eroded and destroyed. Now the Charlotte City Council is working to do all they can to completely eradicate all traces of property rights in Charlotte.
Today the Charlotte City Council
will meet to discuss whether people are living with the "correct" quality of life. They appear to be ready to pass a new ordinance that will put you in jail if you fail to have their property decreed quality of life. In their minds, this means that if you have too many people living in a certain arbitrary square footage area, you should be jailed.
What is the proper, freedom-based solution? To let people live their lives how they want to without government interference. If it's not directly affecting other people, why should the government get involved at all? Because Charlotte City government is interested in communism, not freedom.
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Good Lord People are rolling over for this I would guess. Are there no intelligent people left?
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Posted by: patty at December 11, 2006 03:33 PM (ByBdH)
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Not voting in Charlotte, there's not.
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Problem? NC Government will pay
The State of North Carolina has a literally endless supply of cash. Well, that's the view of the Democrats and their allies at the Charlotte Observer. They honestly believe that anything that can be called a problem, even if it's not really a problem, can be solved by throwing enormous piles of government cash at it.
This time, the Observer wants to throw $10 million in taxpayer cash to "help hog farmers switch from lagoons to environmentally sound methods of waste." Of course, there's little, if any, details given as to WHY they should switch, other than the Observer thinks it "sounds like trouble."
As usual with the left, there is zero consideration to the other unintended consequences to this sort of action. They don't care that the farmers might not be able to afford to RUN these new procedures. They don't care that the price of all products from these farms will have to go up to pay for this forced action. They don't care that many farmers might be forced out of business because of this. They don't care about the hundreds and hundreds of hours the working man will have to work to PAY for this, against his will.
In short, the left does not care about anything other than themselves and getting what they want. When I was younger, I was told that was the definition of a selfish brat. Welcome to today's NC Democrat Party.
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December 09, 2006
No Substitute for Victory
America, acting alone and with overwhelming force, must destroy the Iranian Islamic State now
Wow. How would you like the President of the United States to speak those words now? Go ahead, call me a warmonger, "neo-con" (as if you know what that is), or other names that you like. Then, think about it.
Euphoric Reality points out
an essay by John Lewis in which he very clearly outlines and describes the two times that America has been attacked in the last hundred years. He outlines the two possible responses to being attacked and clearly illustrates the results from the two possible responses.
As he so well points out, right now Islam is winning around the world. There is only one possible response to their actions and only one thing that will stop the terrorists around the world. Anything else (like what we're doing now) is worse than doing nothing. It's a long read, but very detailed and logical. Take a peek.
And I'm
not alone with my support of a REAL war, instead of this namby-pamby crap we're "waging" now.
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Posted by: GM Roper at December 09, 2006 09:24 PM (S60yG)
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Excellent...I am a warmonger too.
A nuke kind of war at this point...simple, fast efficient...
Posted by: Raven at December 09, 2006 09:36 PM (zF+Xi)
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State-sponsored religion MUST be destroyed. No, they don't have the freedom to decide to have their own state religion. A free country that's interested in world peace simply cannot allow it.
Posted by: Ogre at December 09, 2006 09:59 PM (IuJ8j)
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One war at a time...ok, two right now...no wait, we already have black ops people on the ground in Iran...ok, that makes three.
Posted by: PoliticalCritic at December 09, 2006 11:38 PM (fXDWP)
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One war at a time...ok, two right now...no wait, we already have black ops people on the ground in Iran...ok, that makes three. Never mind.
Posted by: PoliticalCritic at December 09, 2006 11:38 PM (fXDWP)
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Islam isn't a religion..it's a cult and it must be destroyed or controlled at all costs. Because it will kill everyone else if we let it.
Posted by: Raven at December 09, 2006 11:53 PM (zF+Xi)
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Political Critic, what we're doing now is NOT a war. I'm talking about all-out, destruction, kill people and break things war -- destroy until there is no state-sponsored religion. If they won't yield, they die. It really is that simple. It's a matter of preserving freedom in the world today and that honestly is the only option.
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4-year old Sexual Harasser?
Someone PLEASE tell me this is a joke. It sure looks like a real website but it's GOT to be fake, right?
The prinicipal of La Vega Primary School sent a letter to the Blackwells that said the pre-kindergartener demonstrated "inappropriate physical behavior interpreted as sexual contact and/or sexual harassment."
So, according to this principal, he's having problems with a FOUR year old being a sexual harasser. And the principal can say that with a straight face? Really?
After complaining to the
moron principal, the
supreme powers government school officials agreed that the 4-year old wasn't a sexual predator. And yes, it actually took a complaint for the
absolute fool principle to remove the references -- but he's leaving on the kid's "permanent record" that he is guilty of "inappropriate physical touching."
What a complete and total load of you-know-what. Yes, it's just another reason to keep your children far, far away from any school that is run by government. They are utterly and completely incompetent at doing ANYTHING other than spending money. They can't educate, and they're utterly incapable of common sense.
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I kinda miss the good old days when "sexual harrassment" only referred to a male boss saying to a female underling "sleep with me or you're fired".
Posted by: Harvey at December 09, 2006 04:08 PM (L7a63)
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Wait. You mean I'm not allowed to do that now?
Posted by: Ogre at December 09, 2006 04:20 PM (IuJ8j)
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Couldn't agree with you more, but your impact will be greater if you spell "principal" correctly throughout your comments.
Posted by: Steve at December 12, 2006 12:01 AM (ecjio)
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Damn that copy and paste. No, wait, it's the Mexican spelling. And who are you to decide what's right and wrong? It's right if I think it's right -- so sayeth the government education system.

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Taxes in NC
So, now that the Democrats have beaten back the liberals (aka Republicans) around the country, including North Carolina, what do you think one of their first actions will be? In Charlotte, they're getting ready to implement a couple brand-new taxes like a tax on you selling your property (even if you lose money on it). And the state? Oh, they're getting ready for another BILLION dollar tax raise.
And as usual, they will do it with their favorite tactic,
the shell game. The state will take one cent of the current sales tax that the counties collect. Then they will allow the counties to raise their taxes. Then everyone can point at everyone else and claim no one raised taxes!
The state will claim THEY didn't raise taxes -- they never voted for a tax increase. At the same time, the counties will claim they were "forced" by the state to raise taxes, so it wasn't them, either. But somehow the state will have an extra BILLION or so dollars to waste as they please. If you don't think they're wasting it, feel free to check out my category here called "North Carolina Government." I'd say they're wasting about 90% of what they spend.
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December 05, 2006
Damn Thieves
Ogre's not here. It seems some miserable S.O.B. decided to break into Ogre's office and steal his wallet, keys, telephone, laptop, and a pile of other stuff that has absolutely no value to the thief (papers, folders, research notes, etc.)
So I'll be spending time calling moron credit card companies that have "stolen card hotlines" that first ask you your account number from your card by computer. When you can't answer because your card was stolen, they let you wait 15 minutes to talk to a live person whose first question is, "Can you tell me your account number, please?"
And dealing with the DMV. I guess if I tell them I'm from Mexico it will make getting a driver's license easier than if I ask for a replacement -- because yet, you guessed it, to get a replacement, you need your id number -- that's on the stolen card. And then the battle will begin to get my company to pay for the stolen laptop -- which they're not going to want to do.
I'll be back later on sometime. For good reading, head over to the blogroll on the right -- there's tons of good blogs there.
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What a bunch of friggen retard losers.
Didn't their mother ever tell them that it was wrong to steal?
Posted by: Leo Pusateri at December 06, 2006 05:26 AM (Zz1UO)
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Man,,,nothing worse than a thief. I can only imagine the unrecognizable pulp he would like if you found out who it was.
Posted by: Tomslick at December 06, 2006 01:57 PM (AHA++)
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That sucks. Good luck getting it all fixed. I suggest going in to the DMV wearing a sombrero, you will go to the front of the line.
Also, I blame Bush

Posted by: William Teach at December 06, 2006 02:53 PM (doAuV)
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Don't worry, he has divine retribution to contend with and in my experience. He/she will eventually wish they had never done it.
Posted by: michele at December 06, 2006 05:42 PM (cV7Xy)
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Thanks for stopping along, everyone.
Leo? I'm betting no, that their mothers did not tell them it was wrong to steal. And government in this area doesn't care, so there's little to no risk in stealing in Charlotte. Seriously.
Tomslick? Perhaps, wabbit, perhaps...
Teach, I think I'll try that. And of COURSE it's Bush's fault. Heck, maybe I should go ask over at KOS -- I might find out that Bush, HIMSELF actually stole it!
And dear Michele -- I believe you are correct, as usual.
Posted by: Ogre at December 06, 2006 07:16 PM (oifEm)
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Sigh. It just makes the day crazier. Hope it gets straightened out asap. I also suggest you check your credit report after everything is settled. **hugs**
Posted by: vw bug at December 06, 2006 07:29 PM (FXZgB)
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Thanks, VW. I'm working on the credit reporting folks. They're not easy companies to deal with.
Posted by: Ogre at December 06, 2006 07:34 PM (oifEm)
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Hon I can relate to your frustration.
Blessings
Posted by: patty at December 06, 2006 08:36 PM (ByBdH)
Posted by: Ogre at December 06, 2006 10:43 PM (ECkKW)
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Contact the credit agencies and have them put a credit hold on your accounts, so if anyone tries to get credit with your SS or name they have to contact you to see if you will authorize it ... it lasts for 90 days ..and it's free to do and they will also send you a credit report for free for doing that.
Posted by: Quality Weenie at December 06, 2006 10:56 PM (BksWB)
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Thanks for the tip, QW. I'm trying to do that, but it has to be in writing via certified mail with a copy of the police report and paid for with a credit card. That's going to take a week to gather together.
Posted by: Ogre at December 06, 2006 10:58 PM (ECkKW)
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Man! I hope it all gets straightened out! Make sure your bank freezes your accounts too.
Posted by: oddybobo at December 06, 2006 11:40 PM (mZfwW)
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All I did was go to the website, click on the credit hold area (think I might had to search for it on the web site) fill out the information on line and... wala ... instant credit hold on my stuff for 90 days with a free credit report.
Don't need anything (reports, etc) to put a credit hold on your credit report
Posted by: Quality Weenie at December 06, 2006 11:51 PM (BksWB)
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Thanks, Oddy. I think I've got all the banks set.
QW, how long ago was that? Every site I looked at, every state fraud site, even the FTC all said that the security freeze for the credit bureaus REQUIRED written notice.
Posted by: Ogre at December 07, 2006 12:04 AM (ECkKW)
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This sucks. Hopefully they just ditch the cards and id. Other ways you may end up with three houses in your name and $750,000.00 in debt.
Posted by: Contagion at December 07, 2006 12:28 AM (MsT2U)
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The Big 3 Credit agencies
Experian.com https://www.experian.com/consumer/cac/InvalidateSession.do?code=SECURITYALERT
equifax.com - 1-888-766-0008 - you can enter all the information via a computer thing over the phone
Trans Union Corp ... http://www.transunion.com/corporate/personal/fraudIdentityTheft/restoring/fraudAlert.page
I had to
Posted by: Quality Weenie at December 07, 2006 12:52 AM (BksWB)
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Oh and they say that if you place a fraud alert on one they will notify the other 2, but I did all three myself just to be sure
Posted by: Quality Weenie at December 07, 2006 12:52 AM (BksWB)
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I did this in October when I found out that someone had used my SS to get housing .. it was found during a background check by my new employeer
Posted by: Quality Weenie at December 07, 2006 12:55 AM (BksWB)
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Awesome, thanks, QW! That's really helpful!
Posted by: Ogre at December 07, 2006 12:27 PM (oifEm)
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I bet you anything it was either Monica Potter or some other angry blonde who did this!
Posted by: michele at December 08, 2006 08:57 PM (y9UuV)
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Damn blondes.

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Blonde Jokes
*Tips For Blondes*
If you're bidding on a job for UPS, don't send your bid by FedEx.
If your computer says, "Printer out of Paper," this problem cannot be
resolved by continuously clicking the "OK" button.
If you want your refrigerator' s ice maker to work, you need to hook it
to a water source. Air doesn't make good ice unless it is mixed with
water.
No matter how much data you add to your laptop, it will not get heavier.
A bad place to store your emergency backup diskette is on the underside
of your desk drawer, secured by a large magnet.
It's okay to use the Polaroid Land Camera on a boat.
When the PC says, "Insert diskette #2," don't do it immediately. Remove
disk #1 first, even if you're sure you can make them both fit in there.
When your PC says "You have mail," don't go to the company mailroom and
look for a package.
The French version of Netscape Navigator doesn't translate English
language web pages into French.
If you're in the armed services and it's April 1st and you get an e-mail
message to call Colonel Sanders for new orders...... ....don't!!
If you go to the computer store to buy a mousepad, you don't have to
specify whether it's for a Windows or a Macintosh.
(via
Raven).
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mmMMMmmm...Beer
You Are Beer!
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You don't need to get totally wasted when you hit the bars.
More of a social drinker, you just like to have fun with your friends.
And as long as the beer keeps flowing, you're a happy camper.
But don't mix things up: "Beer Before Liquor, Never Been Sicker!"
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Can't argue with that one.
From
Quality Weenie and
Contagion.
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I'm BEER too.
What a surprise.
Posted by: Raven at December 05, 2006 10:26 PM (lET4N)
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Damn wimpy drinks!

Posted by: Contagion at December 07, 2006 12:32 AM (MsT2U)
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Some of us don't have fire acid in our stomachs to combat the alcohol.
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Why "Multiculturalsim" Doesn't Work
Michelle Malkin points out this incident where muslims complain in Dearbornistan. In it, a mulsim woman has raised so-called "civil rights" questions because she was offended. This is a perfect example of what's wrong with "multiculturalism."
You see, Wardeh Sultan, the complainer, has a warped view of freedom. She claims that she is an American Citizen and that she wants to lift America up. And it's likely she does -- but HER version of America, not the traditional version. When people come to America and bring THEIR culture and refuse to assimilate and join the unique American culture, this is the clash that arises.
Wardeh Sultan has two specific complaints. One is that her afternoon prayer was "interrupted" by another patron. Zero details are given as to exactly how she was "interrupted." But her second complaint may shed a little light on it. Her second complaint is that she feels "humiliated" and offended, because the employee to which she complained said that
other patrons didn't have to respect her (Wardeh's) God. Wardeh disagrees.
In other words, the primary complaint is that a person had the utter GALL to not offer complete and total muslim respect for Wardeh's muslim god. That's the complaint. That's all. Wardeh Sultan, by bringing her culture to America and refusing American culture demands that she have complete and total freedom
without any responsibility. In other words, she should be free to do anything and everything she wants and everyone else should never be able to say or do anything that disagrees with her. I've got news for you, Wardeh, that's not freedom.
She has the freedom to pray in public. I've got the freedom to say she looks silly doing it. No one should stop either one of us. I'm willing to allow her the freedom to pray in public. Why won't she allow me the freedom?
One of the chief people in charge of complaing for mulsims said, "(Muslims) are resenting that they are to be suppressed from expressing themselves freely, like others." That's an outright lie. NO ONE tried to physically stop her from praying, from all published reports. Instead, what's true is that THEY (muslims) resent that everyone else does not follow their religion and give them complete and total approval of every single religious-related action they take.
Freedom works both way muslims. If you don't like it, I suggest you go find a muslim country and move there. If you like the freedoms we have in America, how about letting other people have freedom, too?
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Apparently her "interruption" consisted of someone pushing her:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/12/update_fitness.html
Ha! I don't get why these Muslims come to OUR country and think they can kneel on the floor in a locker room without getting pushed around. She's lucky she didn't get rat-tailed. That's the traditional America I remember from junior high! If you don't like people mocking and pushing you, move to a Muslim country where people leave you alone!
Posted by: John at December 06, 2006 02:55 PM (twXyP)
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Feel free to read the WHOLE article, John. Notice that the muslims appeared to block the passageway and the women may have "pushed" them in an attempt to go to the bathroom. And then the muslim, who was inside a private business, REFUSED to show identification to the representative of the owner of the private business, so instead the police were called, legitimately, for trespassers.
Posted by: Ogre at December 06, 2006 03:02 PM (oifEm)
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Hey! I'm the definition of "multiculturalism" and so I'm offended - why? I'm not entirely sure. But I've resolved to be offended. Anyone got money to throw at me?

Posted by: oddybobo at December 06, 2006 03:05 PM (mZfwW)
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Well, you can certainly burn something Oddy. That's all the trend these days.
Posted by: Ogre at December 06, 2006 03:19 PM (oifEm)
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I did read the whole article. The statement she got says nowhere that they were blocking anything. Debbie Schlussel introduced this idea. She calls it "reading between the lines". Most people would call it "making it up".
She was not asked for identification. She was asked for her membership card.
The manager did not call the police for trespassing, but for "creating a disturbance", which consisted of telling the manager what happened.
Are you sure you read the same article I did?
Posted by: John at December 06, 2006 05:29 PM (twXyP)
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Same article -- you just inserted things you liked.
Feel free to explain exactly what was done to the complaining person. Was she touched? Did someone punch her in the face? Identify exactly where she was praying and all the walls and fixtures around her. Lacking that, one has to attempt to interpret. You interpret that the woman was in a corner, minding her own business. Me, I've been in various fitness clubs. The locker rooms typically have barely enough room to pass by another person, much less have a person on the floor praying. I've never seen a locker room with enough space to lay out a prayer rug without blocking access to other spaces.
You seem to also have a problem with a person on private property being asked for a membership card indicating that they have been permitted to be on that property. How about I come hang around inside your house. Will you call the police or just ignore me because I claim you shouldn't insult my God?
Posted by: Ogre at December 06, 2006 06:14 PM (oifEm)
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"you just inserted things you liked"
If you can quote me saying anything that wasn't in the articles, I'd love to see it.
"Feel free to explain exactly what was done to the complaining person."
Simple enough, I'll quote the article:
"the women were praying near the lockers when another patron began to make remarks and proceeded to push them."
According to the common definition of "to push a person", both Muslim women were touched with enough force to make them move involuntarily.
"Identify exactly where she was praying and all the walls and fixtures around her. Lacking that, one has to attempt to interpret."
Actually, one doesn't. One can just say "I don't know exactly what happened." Then one have to say "Whatever happened, I don't know whose fault it is. I'll have to wait for more information." Disclaimer: this makes it harder to complain and be sensationalist.
You chose a different approach: "In other words, the primary complaint is that a person had the utter GALL to not offer complete and total muslim respect for Wardeh's muslim god. That's the complaint. That's all." This turned out to be simply false.
"You seem to also have a problem with a person on private property being asked for a membership card indicating that they have been permitted to be on that property."
No I don't. I just said it's different from being asked for identification. Quote me if I said something different.
"How about I come hang around inside your house. Will you call the police or just ignore me because I claim you shouldn't insult my God?"
Of course the house = gym analogy doesn't really work, but if I invited you into my house a long time ago, you have been a paying "member" of my house for at least 7 months, you had petitioned me to remodel my house because of your religion and I agreed to do so, I would know who you are and I would not ask you for proof of your "membership". If you happen to be Christian and get offended because I push you while you're praying before a meal at my table, I would not come up with the idea to call the police.
Posted by: John at December 06, 2006 06:47 PM (twXyP)
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You have provided the "common" definition of "push." That is not the legal, journalistic, nor complainer definition. If I make physical contact with someone, technically, that is battery -- even if I just brush against them as I pass them. So to claim that this person was pushed with enough force to move them is simply not possible given the amount of information provided. So, since neither of us can prove how much force was used, let's ignore that one for a moment.
Her primary complain is still twofold -- one, that someone dared to tell her that it was permitted for other members to not respect her god; and two, that she was asked for identification inside a private club. Which one of those two things do you think is unreasonable?
Posted by: Ogre at December 06, 2006 07:00 PM (oifEm)
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"If I make physical contact with someone, technically, that is battery -- even if I just brush against them as I pass them."
So you're claiming someone committed battery against the woman and she has a legitimate legal claim against the person? That may well be. We have no indication whether legal action will be taken (except for the word "claimant", which is hardly meaningful), but it's possible we'll see legal action out of this. Maybe you should write the woman and tell her you support her potential legal action.
"Her primary complain (sic) is still twofold"
We don't actually know what her primary complaint is, unless you have had extra communication with the woman. This is not detailed in the accounts. She seems to have at least three, and no ranking is provided.
"she was asked for identification inside a private club"
I'll assume you mean proof of membership here, since it's already been addressed.
"Which one of those two things do you think is unreasonable?"
Neither. I think your sensationalist and factually incorrect complaining about this woman is unreasonable.
Posted by: John at December 06, 2006 07:31 PM (twXyP)
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I'm sorry that you feel I should be forced to respect someone else's god that I do not believe in.
Posted by: Ogre at December 06, 2006 07:33 PM (oifEm)
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Actually, I just said I think you shouldn't:
a) Lie ("NO ONE tried to physically stop her from praying, from all published reports.")
b) Complain about people complaining.
I also think you shouldn't:
c) Misspell "Multiculturalism" in your headline.
d) Write words in all capitals for emphasis
e) Claim that a person who doesn't know you is disallowing you your freedom by complaining about how she was treated.
f) Claim that all people who move to America should leave their culture and religion behind them so they can take up the "unique" American culture (presumably the American Indian culture).
None of these relate to people's gods, only your credibility. Obviously, it's good comedy for your readers when you do these things, but I don't think you are trying to be funny.
Posted by: John at December 06, 2006 08:08 PM (twXyP)
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Feel free to provide any evidence that the statement was a lie. I've seen zero.
You don't like people complaining about complaints. There's a word for that in the muslim society. It's called "Dhimmitude." It means you submit to their rules and they won't kill you. Sorry, but I choose freedom. I'm sorry you don't like it.
I'm also sorry that you don't like America. Yes, I do. I believe in the American culture. No, I don't want people to come here and destroy it. You might like that, but I'll do everything in my power to stop it.
Posted by: Ogre at December 06, 2006 10:42 PM (ECkKW)
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"NO ONE tried to physically stop her from praying, from all published reports."
Published report saying she was physically pushed while praying:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/12/update_fitness.html
"You don't like people complaining about complaints. There's a word for that in the muslim society. It's called 'Dhimmitude.'"
There's a phrase for that in English-speaking society. It's called situational irony. It's not that I don't like it (I already said it amuses me), but I think you shouldn't do it for your own sake.
"I'm also sorry that you don't like America. Yes, I do. I believe in the American culture. No, I don't want people to come here and destroy it. You might like that, but I'll do everything in my power to stop it."
I actually like America quite a lot. Apparently you are the one who doesn't like America. This whole blog post and subsequent discussion is about how much you hate a series of events that recently happened in America. By definition, these events are part of "the American culture". If you "believe in the American culture", you shouldn't complain about it so much and so loudly.
Or were you talking about some other American culture than the one that exists in reality? If that's the case, you should say "I believe in my fantasy American culture". It would be much more accurate.
Posted by: John at December 08, 2006 08:24 PM (twXyP)
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Once again, you refuse to deal with reality. Are you, by chance, a registered Democrat (or Independent: read: Democrat but afraid to admit it) or a self-described progressive? You sure sound like one. You're spending your time quibbling over whether touching someone or bumping into someone or accidentally touching someone are vastly different items. Feel free to read my words and comprehend them. If you're having trouble, use a dictionary. There is absolute truth and a real world out here, even if you don't want to admit there is.
You even go so far as to contradict your own self and make your own reality as you continue to write. One moment you claim you want the American culture to change and be muslim, then you claim you like American culture the way it is. Again, there is an absolute reality out here. I'm thinking that you've never seen it. That's truly sad.
Posted by: Ogre at December 08, 2006 08:46 PM (IuJ8j)
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"Are you, by chance, a registered Democrat (or Independent: read: Democrat but afraid to admit it) or a self-described progressive?"
This is an ad hominem logical fallacy. I prefer to only address logical discourse, though I'm sad to say that I'm finding little here.
"You're spending your time quibbling over whether touching someone or bumping into someone or accidentally touching someone are vastly different items."
The "published report" clearly indicates that it was on purpose: "the women were praying near the lockers when another patron began to make remarks and proceeded to push them." You claim no report indicates that. Therein lies the contradiction. Any conjecture you want to add on top of that is irrelevant to your statement about every "published report".
"One moment you claim you want the American culture to change and be muslim, then you claim you like American culture the way it is."
I can't find anything I said to that effect. Unless you can quote where I said I want American culture to change and be Muslim, I will assume you just made this up out of thin air.
Posted by: John at December 08, 2006 09:55 PM (twXyP)
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You wouldn't know logic if it knocked you upside the head with a 2x4. You're so incredibly clueless, you apparently cannot even tell the difference between a question and a statement! You claiming that a QUESTION is an "ad hominem logical fallacy" shows your either utter and total inability to comprehend reality, or your intentional willingness to be antagonistic for no reason other than your person insanity.
What's your favorite color? Is that an "ad hominem logical fallacy," too? Wow.
You will find here, via posts and comments by me, nothing but logic. Perhaps you don't find it here because you clearly have no clue what "logic" really is.
Posted by: Ogre at December 08, 2006 10:00 PM (IuJ8j)
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"Once again, you refuse to deal with reality. Are you, by chance, a registered Democrat (or Independent: read: Democrat but afraid to admit it) or a self-described progressive? You sure sound like one."
That last sentence looks like a statement to me. Not only do you bring up an ad hominem topic, but you assume it's true without finding out. It's okay though, just keep insulting me with things like "You're so incredibly clueless", because that's "nothing but logic".
Posted by: John at December 08, 2006 10:15 PM (twXyP)
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If you're ever interested in reasoned, logical discourse, I invite you to stop by. I don't have a problem with other people's opinions -- except when those opinions are in opposition to liberty.
(And no, don't read into that as any attempt to insult you or anything, I'm just making a statement, plain and simple)
Posted by: Ogre at December 08, 2006 10:34 PM (IuJ8j)
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"If you're ever interested in reasoned, logical discourse, I invite you to stop by."
That's why I'm here, but you won't participate. You almost never respond to my points. You do things like just claim I don't have a grasp on reality, or say I might be insane. Sometimes you claim I don't love America. Once you told me how I felt and apologized for it. None of this has anything to do with the points I've raised. Logical discourse would look at the assertions made and determine if they are true. You, however, prefer to make non sequitur statements like "Sorry, but I choose freedom. I'm sorry you don't like it." and assume it proves something.
"I don't have a problem with other people's opinions -- except when those opinions are in opposition to liberty."
Have you ever read Orwell's "Politics and the English Language"? It's a real classic from 1946 and you should read it if you haven't already. He critiques this statement, and many other similar statements you've made, better than I could.
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm
Posted by: John at December 08, 2006 10:52 PM (twXyP)
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Sorry, that's a rather poor copy of the essay. Here's a better one:
http://www.netcharles.com/orwell/essays/politics-english-language1.htm
Posted by: John at December 08, 2006 11:01 PM (twXyP)
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The points of yours I didn't respond to had no bearing on the initial post. And responding to quibbling over whether a touch is a push is an "attempt to prevent someone from doing something" is simply pointless.
Posted by: Ogre at December 08, 2006 11:53 PM (IuJ8j)
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Oh well. I had hoped beyond hope that you might participate in logical discourse, but I guess it's hard to change your whole way of thinking about the world. I wish you the best of luck in the future.
Posted by: John at December 09, 2006 06:53 AM (c7rNU)
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Again, I'm always open to logical discussions. I don't think quibbling is logical discussion.
Posted by: Ogre at December 09, 2006 03:53 PM (IuJ8j)
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Cost of Prohibition
So, if government passes a law designed to change behavior and fails, what do they do? If they spend literally millions of dollars; crime increases drastically, formerly law-abiding citzens are arrested by the thousands; police and citizens are killed in the hundreds; and the actual activity that is banned increases; what should government do?
It's been 33 years now since prohibition was repealed. Government realized that it was a horrible idea that cost too much in crime, money, and lives.
Yet today, the other prohibition continues, despite the exact same results. If the war on drugs can be considered successful, we should bring back prohibition of alcohol. Either that or end the war on drugs. But hey, what's a few billion each year in government expenditures and hundreds of deaths each year when it comes to government retaining control and power, right?
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Drug prohibition "works" if you define "works" the right way. In particular, if you define "works" as "creates hundreds of thousands of jobs for drug cops and bureaucrats, justifies draconian laws that destroy all privacy and property rights, and will go on forever because the overt aim is one that most people kinda-sorta agree with yet can never be achieved," then drug prohibition is a stunning success.
Always ask "Who benefits?" before concluding that some seemingly irrational government policy isn't "working."
Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at December 06, 2006 12:04 AM (PzL/5)
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Oh, yes, I have no doubt that those that support this program like it for what it does and it serves the purpose for which it was designed. They're just not telling the people who are PAYING for this system why the system exists.
Posted by: Ogre at December 06, 2006 12:09 AM (ECkKW)
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I can't wait for tobacco prohibition.
I should stock up on cigarettes now so that I can open my own smoke-easy :-)
Posted by: Harvey at December 09, 2006 04:13 PM (L7a63)
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Get to plantin' some tobacco. And actually, before we get there, I'm sure you can get the government to pay you NOT to grow tobacco...I'm not sure how that works out when tobacco prohibition starts...do they then pay you TO grow tobacco?
Posted by: Ogre at December 09, 2006 04:20 PM (IuJ8j)
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Pick Your 2008 Candidate?
This sure looks interesting. It's a political fund-raising site that wants to "draft" a conservative for president in 2008 -- with cash. They're asking you to "vote" for who you want to run by making a donation to them.
Make your contribution now and encourage your choice for President to get in the race. As soon as they form a committee, we'll transfer your donation to them. In the event they don't run, your contribution will not be wasted - it will support candidates up and down the ballot looking to return Republican leadership to government.
As of this writing, they've only raised $31 so far -- but maybe it will pick up speed. Either way, it's an interesting concept, if you ask me.
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Liberals claim You're Stupid
And again the liberals who dominate the printed press continue to claim that you people, you scum of the earth who DARE to actually vote, are complete and total morons. Therefore, they need to do something about it -- they suggest that the General Assembly take more of the power to vote away from you. This time it's an area that they are having a difficulty gerrymandering.
You see, the liberal press in NC will never complain about the elections for the General Assembly -- because they know how easy it is to gerrymander the elections. They are aware that the people are not voting for their representatives, but instead the representatives (Democrats almost exclusively for over 100 years) get to select their "constituents." So there's no problems there.
However, in each county, the people get to select their own sheriff. Since they can't just change the county lines any time they want to, they complain about these people who are actually elected by the people. Instead, these elitists now claim that people are just simply too dumb to be allowed to vote and select sheriffs because YOU are stupid and might not vote for the people they want. Instead, they want the legislature to pass a new law that will prevent you from voting and instead will allow the sheriffs to be appointed by Democrats.
Oh, how I yearn for freedom. And yes, including the freedom to be stupid and NOT ruled by the aristocrats who only think they're better and smarter than me.
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December 04, 2006
Tim The Llama

Say hello to Tim!
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Was he the screen writer or the producer, I forget.
I have to wonder how many people will get that reference.

Posted by: William Teach at December 05, 2006 12:14 AM (doAuV)
Posted by: Ogre at December 05, 2006 01:40 AM (ECkKW)
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uh um...who is Tim anyway???
Am I missing something here?????
Posted by: Raven at December 05, 2006 01:58 AM (RDkCw)
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See what happens when you don't watch tv or go to the movies often...
Nescio quid dicas/I've no idea what you're saying!
Posted by: Michele at December 05, 2006 02:58 AM (Wt0pi)
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Actually, it was Ralph, Tim's cousin, who was the executive producer.
Posted by: Ogre at December 05, 2006 11:48 AM (oifEm)
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But some call him... Tim...
Yes, a very handsome llama! LOL
-- Kat
www.CatHouseChat.com
Posted by: Kat at December 05, 2006 04:14 PM (3eSmr)
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And you may call me... Tim.
Posted by: Ogre at December 05, 2006 04:21 PM (oifEm)
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What manner of llama are you that can conjure up fire without flint or tinder,,,,,,O Tim?
Posted by: Tomslick at December 06, 2006 02:35 PM (AHA++)
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