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May 10, 2004
The new John Wayne...
Is a Chinese guy.
Ya just gotta respect a guy who does
what this one did.
He did exactly the right thing.
Shame she can't be locked up forever for the attempted murder.
The asswit.
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They breed dogs to eat in China and Korea and quite a few other places in the far east.
Along with other animals and insects.
But you are right, someone deliberately harming an animal like that just needs to do some hard time in hell.
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 10, 2004 02:07 PM (+62xY)
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Just a quick note...
I'm finally letting myself check out these 'mystery tapes' I have. I'm CERTAIN I have the real "Stepford Wives" and "Mommie Dearest" on the same tape, unlabelled, of course, because I remember the load of shit I had to hear when I taped 'em.
"Whaaat? You watchin' that AGAIN?"
Aaaanyway... I haven't seen that tape for a while and everytime I find another unlabelled tape, I add it to the pile for when I get done cleaning.
Well, last night, I finally stuck one in.
This one is "I love the 80's strikes back"...
I really, basically hated the 80's. They sucked.
But, Hal Sparks is adorable, so I taped it.
Now... my point is this:
I HATE BOY-GEORGE!
Yes, I really wanna hurt him, yes, I really wanna make him cry.
Can't be too hard to do, the freak.
Has anyone seen him lately?
He went from looking like Demi Moore in "St. Elmo's Fire" (at Kirby's party at that politicians house and at the bar the night they all went to see Billy's band), to looking like he has his head shoved into a ugly-assed bird cage.
What in the name of all that is holy is fuckin' WRONG with that... that... that THING?
And, just what in HELL is a karma chameleon, anyway?
Jerk.
Speaking of jerks... someone needs to quit lettin' Gilbert Gottfried out of his cage, too.
God, I HATE the 80's.
And, don't even get me started on the utter DRECK that passed for music.
Gaaaahhhhhh... *shudder*
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I know exactly how you feel. The 80's musically were not the best of times. Although along the way there were some interesting musical bumps.
Asia for one - the rebirth of Yes... the polic coming into their own finally.
Genesis...
But then again... I am riding with the James Gang right now.
Funk 49 anyone?
Truly
Rei
Oh, and I'd really like to hurt BG too..
He dresses and looks like a nightmare clown.
Posted by: Rei at May 10, 2004 12:47 PM (+62xY)
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You know, since you have mentioned Boy George it's like whenever i turn the tv on there is something about him or rosie o'donnel or both on the tv. Boy George looks like he could play the damn clown in IT the horror flick.
Frightening...
Truly,
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 11, 2004 02:58 PM (+62xY)
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Oh, dear. And here I'm a child of the 80s and... I like the cultural Velveeta.
(please don't hate me)
Posted by: Dave at May 11, 2004 04:31 PM (YZGrt)
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Gilbert Gottfried makes me want to hurl!
Posted by: drc at May 13, 2004 11:43 AM (DUHuy)
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May 09, 2004
Okay, Great. Bret just pea-ed on me...
Siiigh.
What is UP with my cats lately?
Yesterday, they tried to kill the keyboard and just a little while ago, Bret pea-ed on me.
And, on the floor.
And my chair.
Even got one in the drawer.
Here's another lil tip for ya's....
Never set a plate with about half a servingspoonful of peas left on it on top of two small brass things behind ya on the counter, til ya get a chance to put it away later.
Bret'll take care of it for you, if you do.
What she'll do is wait til you've kinda forgotten it and are nearly unconscious gettin' yer feets squished, all laid back in your chair, then she'll try to see what's on it and basically THROW it on ya, scaring the SHIT outta ya and, in the process, pea-ing everywhere.
It's reeeeeal fun.
This is, of course, AFTER I dip the ends of my hair in the Cheddar Bacon potato mix before I baked it.
At least the chicken and gizzards haven't given me any trouble... yet.
Now. Anybody wanna guess what I hafta go do?
Again?
I'll be back sooner or later.
Peas.
(Just not on me.)
(Cause I'm here to tell ya, it is in fact better to be pissed off than pea-ed on.)
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Oh no.. another one. Well, I hope it is resolved without too much of a beating for kitty.
We all await your return.
Truly,
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 10, 2004 12:04 AM (+62xY)
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Oh God, noooo.
I don't do that.
I'm usually either too busy doing repairs or laughing my ass off to be beatin' 'em.
Most they get outta me (and that's mostly the dogs) are very long-winded, well-reasoned, completely ignored lectures.
Practice for when I talk to the guys....
Posted by: Stevie at May 10, 2004 12:34 AM (pYyx2)
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Yes. I know you don't. I was joking.
Hope you're cleaning duties are going well.
Truly,
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 10, 2004 12:42 AM (+62xY)
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Well, another sleepless night for me. My insomnia has hit a new record for me, six days, no sleep. You have to wonder when the body will break down completely and melt into the ground.
Hmmm
Of course you know why I am sleepless... what would be my daughter's birthday is fast approaching and it is a day of dread for me. Has it really been 11 years since she died.... yes, intellectually you know it's been that long, but it remains so fresh this time of year. I would be teaching her how to drive now, hell she used to sit in my lap and steer my stingray, but by now she could have reached the pedals herself.
It makes you wonder how, if ever, nightmares ever really end.
Good Mourning to all...
Truly,
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 10, 2004 04:05 AM (+62xY)
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Ok.. in my sleepless state I tend to watch the news.. tonight, or rather this morning, i came across a news story that will probably shock you.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1212734,00.html
is the link for it.
God help us all.
Truly,
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 10, 2004 05:49 AM (+62xY)
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May 08, 2004
My cat, my ditziness and my cuppa coffee tried to take me out...
Here's a little tip for y'all.
Never EVER set a full cup of coffee less than six inches from your keyboard and then open a can of cat food.
If ya do, your herd of cats may do this "waterfall" kinda thing across the keyboard, to the edge of the desk and LEAP to the cabinet thing you feed them on, in the process somehow pushing offa yer cuppa coffee, thereby causing it to schooch back, into the keyboard itself and splashing coffee across half of it.
THEN, unless ya have Paul's home number, yer kinda screwed.
However, I do have his number so I can pass along what I learned.
Whatcha do is, dismantle the whole thing. Bear in mind there are approximately 1,295 screws throughout the thing. After you get it allll apart, you clean all of it. Just wipe it all down with a barely damp cloth and let it get reeeeally dry. Then, ya put it all back together.
Now, here's a secret to making sure it works:
DON'T PUT ALL THE SCREWS BACK IN.
I did that the first time and it didn't work. The keyboard responded to keys being poked, but by opening mail programs and closing Moz and shit like that. So, after I re-removed all 1,295 screws and just looked at it for a minute and invoked the name of Paul a coupla times, I put it all back together again with ONLY ENOUGH SCREWS TO HOLD IT TOGETHER TO TEST IT.
It works now.
AND, I have a buncha extra computer "parts" now.
Screws. Lots and lots of screws.
I'mina go clean the kitchen now.
Peace.
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Yep! CAT-ASTROPHE -- Didn't we cover that one already like a week ago? Jeeze!
Yes, cats love to fiddle with things, but a stampede of them can accomplish a heck of a lot of damage right quick!
Extra computer parts aside, welcome back from Java
Literally.
Truly,
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 08, 2004 08:30 PM (TX9r0)
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Hey Kid! Maybe it's time to cull the herd!?!? I met a guy recently who claims to do a killer stir fry....... How's things? I may stop by today/ I hope you're home. Peace on ya, R
Posted by: Rob at May 09, 2004 06:09 AM (jeXe7)
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1. Unplug keyboard, plug in reserve keyboard.
2. Take unplugged, assembled keyboard into shower with you. Just rinse thoroughly, no soap or conditioner. Shake loose water free [both keyboard and you] and set out to dry in sunshine [both you and keyboard].
3. Back on line with reserve keyboard. Next spill, repeat proceedure. If clean, dry keyboard don't work, buy new $9 keyboard and donate old one to local democrat club.
4. No cats were injured in the giving of this advice.
Posted by: Walter Wallis at May 09, 2004 03:39 PM (83KyP)
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Thank goodness no felines were injured during that procedure. PETA would have strung you up for sure if there had been.
Personally, after having spent some time in asia and the mideast, I have to say, stirfry doesn't excite me anymore.
Woohoo Mtn. Dew... Or something like that.
Truckin'
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 09, 2004 04:19 PM (+62xY)
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CAT-tastrophe?
*groooooaaaaannnn*
Gawd.... (lmao)
Now, there may be some merit to Walt's idea.
However, it'd probably work lots better if ya haven't just thrown out a spare keyboard during the past week while you were cleaning.
Which I did.
Of course.
Posted by: Stevie at May 09, 2004 11:25 PM (pYyx2)
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You need extra keyboards? AT or PS2 connection? I hae about a thousand of them. How many would you like?
Truly,
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 10, 2004 05:45 AM (+62xY)
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Then I am not the only serial keyboard consumer?
Posted by: Walter Wallis at May 10, 2004 09:32 AM (83KyP)
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No. I build and refurb computer systems for fun and extra money... so they add up.
Keyboards R Us here I go.
Truly,
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 10, 2004 12:59 PM (+62xY)
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May 07, 2004
Quick question...
Hi, Dad. Just saw your two comments and now I have yet another question.
If this war is over WMD and oil, what, if anything, have we done to anyone about what was done on 9/11?
That's all I wanna know. Right this second, it's all I care about. I realize I have to get this cast of characters straight. That's gonna be fun, what with the Iraqi's, Muslims, Islamics, the Taliban and AlQeda, or however the hell it's spelled. (Like I care about insulting BinLaden by getting it wrong...*snort*)
I'll probably call ya later for a history lesson, but for now:
What have we done to anyone about 9/11?
Some(lotsa)bodies need to DIE for that. Let alone be embarrassed.
What have we done?
And, to whom?
Gonna run to the store right quick.
Be back in a few.
Peace (please... someday.)
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Well, I know you asked your dad, but I had to answer anyway... SO forgive the intrusion.
We have done many things to those responsible for 9-11.
1) Afghanistan, the Al Qaeda and Taliban terrorist militants have been routed, Bin Laden is on the run, many of his Lieutenants have been killed or captured and even more of them are on the run.
2) Cells within the states have been crippled by seizing money and operatives. In Buffalo, Seattle, Atlanta, Florida, California among other places where they had set up shop to continue attacking us within our borders are no longer waiting for orders; They are waiting for prison sentences.
3) Internationally, money trades have been traced to more people in the business of buying martyrs.
The main focus is along the Pakistan/Afghani border, where Bin Laden is most likely eating sheepdip in a cave wondering whether the next jet he hears over his head has caught his heat signature and will deliver his laser-guided just deserts.
Hope that helps...Some at least.
Truly,
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 07, 2004 11:23 PM (TX9r0)
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Thought I'd chime in with my $0.02....
In addition to everything that Rei said above, we've also shown that America will no longer take shit from anyone.
Period.
Posted by: Mad Mikey at May 08, 2004 01:21 PM (xGZ+b)
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Well, good. I like that part.
I don't really think it's such a bad thing that those assholes realize that, while we AREN'T like them, we CAN be.
Once they understand THAT, we can just make sure they keep it mind, while they also get to see that, while we can be, we choose NOT to be like them.
(Gawd, I hope that didn't come out to Edith Bunker-ish.)
In other words, if yer driving a completely maxed out '69 GTO and you can kick ass on anybody in the tri-state area, people may not believe it til they see it happen a time or two. But, once the word gets out that it is a fact, you don't need to prove it all the time. In fact, it'll get to the point where nobody even wants to race you.
(Especially if you're a chick beatin' guys. They reeeally hate that. I realize that's beside the metaphor, but I'm just sayin'...)
Posted by: Stevie at May 08, 2004 05:24 PM (mLUJL)
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Rei pretty much covered the military aspects
the problem. Anyone who flies knows the level of security is much higher at airports (and other centers of travel) than it was before 9/11. Sporting events, parades, and other large public
gatherings enjoy (?) the same heightened security.
Your brother is involved with a canine partner
and is being trained under the auspices of Homeland Security to discover explosives, drugs,
etc. Other nations are equally involved in such
precautions. The English captured a suicide group
last week who were going to big soccer game and blow up a few hundred people. The Olympics in
Athens this summer are in jeopardy because of
security problems.
We are aware, now, alert and watchful. This won't stop every plot, but we're a lot better off
than we were on 9/11.
Posted by: haveayen at May 08, 2004 08:44 PM (o2x+x)
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May 06, 2004
In case anyone is wondering...
This is where my anger, no... RAGE comes from.
Go watch that. It's HUGE and it takes a while to load, but just watch it.
And REMEMBER.
THEN tell me about how 'humiliating' those prisoners makes our guys the same as terrorists.
Tell me how "wrong" they are.
Tell me all about that "moral high road" that leads to this kinda shit.
Tell me, again, how we shouldn't be 'too rash' or 'too quick' to condemn.
IF you can even speak.
THIS is what it's really about.
For me, anyway.
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Stevie, THANK YOU! I had a link to that 9/11 thing a while back and lost it...thanks so much for posting it again.
HBO had a very good 9/11 program, as well. It's available for ordering on their website. I'll get you the link.
Posted by: Burnt Fuse at May 06, 2004 08:43 PM (kuGhp)
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Yes. There is no other reason in our hearts and souls...And there should not be.
Siempre,
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 06, 2004 08:55 PM (UEv1X)
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OK, I'm in the minority here, and I'll go away soon, but I can't seem to shut up right now.
Iraq's WMDs were the premise for going into Iraq, not 9/11 and terrorism. The Bush administration has not been able to conclusively prove or even point to accurate intelligence that would indicate Saddam Hussein was in any way connected with Al Qaeda or the 9/11 attacks. Hussein was mistreating people horribly, no question at all. If we were going to go in there over moral outrage, it should have been done years ago, and we should be doing it North Korea, Rwanda, China and countless other countries where human rights are being violated day in and day out.
I'm a pretty fallen Catholic, I'll admit it, but I still believe wholeheartedly in the sanctity of human life. Not because it's necessarily the Christian thing to do, although it's supported by by scripture and doctrine, but because I'm part of the human population who was horrified by 9/11. We were attacked because we believe differently than the terrorists who tried to destroy all that's good. Can we then turn around and attack any other mother's son who is merely doing as he was taught? Isn't that what our soldiers were doing while guarding those Iraqi prisoners, just doing what they were taught?
We're reasonable, we're rational, and above all, we're good people. We don't kill others for being different or even for being wrong because each life is genuinely sacred. Someone has to rise above the hatred and violence and killer instinct to try to solve problems. We're Americans. We should be the ones doing that.
Posted by: snowball at May 06, 2004 09:19 PM (dhmzy)
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Jane... cool. I also wish I could get a copy of that French guys video that aired on 'regular' TV. The one where he was filming firefighters and just happened to catch it all? Yeah, that one.
First time the word 'fuck' was used on regular TV and nobody burst into flames from it. Imagine that... *snort*
Rei... Shouldn't be, but there is.
Snow... God, you're a good woman... a good person. Your enormous empathy (thanks for the appropriate word there, Orionoir) shames me, but... siiigh.
And, don't be goin' nowhere, either. I kinda need you to help me learn to temper my temper, I think. I learn a LOT from you and how you deal with "him".
If (and I believe you... hell, I've heard it before) but IF WMD were the reason for going over there, then what, exactly, have we done about 9/11 and the less-than-humans who did that? Anything? (Seriously wondering, not being a wiseass...)
I don't advocate doing what they do, the terrorists, but, when they DO do those things, we need to give back what we're given and then some, or people (countries) are going to see us as less than we think we are and do even more heinous things, because they'll know we'll just take it,
won't they? These terrorists seem to have.
I looked up 'sanctity' just to be sure I knew exactly what it means. Didn't want just 'an idea' of it, ya know? After reading that, I'm again drawn to the conclusion that you are, indeed, a much better person than I am, because I just can't see it that way.
There are many lives that just need to be ended because they're such a waste, so filled with evil. Besides BinLaden, there's people like Ted Bundy, Charles Starkweather... murderers like them. We killed them for what they did (thank Christ) and what they did was beans compared to those hijackers and other terrorists.
A life is only as sacred and holy as it is lived, to me. If all a person can do is blow up people who're different, that person should be eliminated, like the virus they are.
They attacked us for believing differently than them. Okay. Got that. Now, us attacking them would be for them attacking us, not because they worship cucumbers or goats, or whatever they believe in.
We didn't attack them for what they believe. They did that to us. We need to kick ass for what they did to our citizens who never did a thing to them.
Don't we?
How else is the world gonna know we won't stand for it?
Or... will we? Do we? If the only reason we're in Iraq is WMD, than, maybe we will stand for terrorist activities and that's scarier than anything they've done so far.
(Back to speaking to everyone now...)
Wanna know the most frustrating thing about all this for me? The more I talk to people about it, the more confusing it all gets.
First we're going there because 9/11 was incomprehensibly evil and we have to get those bastards to ensure it'll never happen again.
Then, it's about WMD and Saddam.
Then, it's about oil.
Then, it's said to be for Bush to be a hero and get re-elected, or some such nonsense.
But, what I'm understanding now is that BinLaden blew the WTC to hell and gone and we, in turn, capture Saddam, who had not a nickle in that shit.
Why? What did that, or he, have to do with anything? Were we gonna go kick his ass anyway and just expedited it to help us get past (or forget about) 9/11? If not, then what are we DOING? (Not that whatever it is is wrong, I just don't understand, myself, what our goal is over there, if we aren't trying to kill terrorism and those who perpetrate it.)
Why were we so concerned with that moron, instead of the ones who actually did the deed and their supporters?
This keeps being called the war on terrorism.
Then, it's said not to be that, after all.
Then it is again, then it ain't.
All I know for sure is that we need to not let 9/11 go unpunished. If that's not what this war is about, then... I don't know what. To say or to think.
If those prisoners are truly innocent of terrorizing us in any way, then our guys need to cut the shit. If they WERE involved in any way, shape or form AT ALL, then they deserve everything they're getting and then some and our guys don't need to be prosecuted for anything, in my (utterly confused at this point) opinion.
My head hurts and I miss John Wayne and his way of handling assholes like them.
This country wasn't founded on eating shit and I wish to God it was still that way.
But... it isn't. Or, at least it doesn't seem to be anymore.
How sad.
Ya know, if the Mafia was in charge of all this shit, it WOULD be about 9/11 and it woulda been over with by 9-15-01. They have 'rules'. They follow them and when someone doesn't...
"Fuck us? No... fuck you." Bang.
As it should be.
(Well, it certainly gets the message across in no uncertain terms, doesn't it?)
Posted by: Stevie at May 07, 2004 12:39 AM (MxLEu)
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Hey, its about 9-11, it's about oil, its about all those things put together. And you are right, the mafia would have done a better job of it, and they would have made a profit while doing it.
Me
PS Is any of what I wrote in my book so far of real help to you? The background was pretty extensive in the history.
Me again
Siempre
Posted by: Rei at May 07, 2004 01:24 AM (UEv1X)
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Snow, the WMD were *one* reason, and the President even said (more than once) that it wasn't the primary reason. Having said that:
What about the tons of chemicals recently discovered in Jordan when a terrorist cell was busted there, foiling the plot to poison gas part of their capital city? Evidence points to the chemicals being smuggled in from Iraq.
What about the Kurds who were gassed by the Iraqi army after the first Gulf War (causing the creation of the 'no-fly zones'?
What about the Iranians gassed by Iraq during their decade-long war?
We *knew* he had them. The entire world thought he still had them. We haven't found them yet, and might never. But you cannot say that there was no proof of their existance.
You also said:
"We don't kill others for being different or even for being wrong because each life is genuinely sacred. Someone has to rise above the hatred and violence and killer instinct to try to solve problems."
I agree completely with the sentiment, except for one thing: Islamic leaders have stated repeatedly from the beginning of their religion that their are only two kinds of people in the world - Muslims and Infidels. They also state (again and again) that Infidels must convert to Islam or die. *They* do not accept co-existance, and never will because it's a basic precept of Islam. "Us or them", and there's no room for "them" in their worldview.
All the good feelings and rising above in the universe isn't going to stop someone from trying to kill you if it's a holy act to him. And you have even less chance if his dying in the process is his ticket to heaven.
Posted by: Ted at May 07, 2004 10:22 AM (blNMI)
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Ted, there is no doubt that the information that we had prior to 1999 was critical to the advance of the war towards Iraq. Various other factors were involved as well, including Saddam's funding of various terrorist organisations, the PLO chief among them. But he also provided sanctuary and a free passes to other groups going through Iraq. The dominant force behind the pre-emptive strike in Iraq is a direct result of Saddam's threat of wmd *combined* with the possibility that he would and could offer them to those said terrorists and also lob similar weapons into Israel and other surrounding allied Arab Nations. Saddam's proclivity to do away with his own people for no other reason than amusement was more than a good enough way for him to aid the terror underground.
Truly -
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 07, 2004 01:24 PM (TX9r0)
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You just go ahead and chant your mantra, Snowball, and nothing bad can ever happen to you, because bad things only happen to bad people.
Posted by: Walter Wallis at May 07, 2004 01:31 PM (83KyP)
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Ok.. I am listening to the hearing now with Rumsfeld and I just do not understand how high the horses have gotten for the majority of those questioners. I can understand the emotion and anger in John McCain, after all he was imprisoned and literally held as a golden trophy by the VietCong for half a decade. He was beaten and broken. But coming from Robert Byrd, who used to wear a nice white hood himself and do all those same forms of terrorist activities to the African American and Jewish people of his home state for FUN is a bit much.
I think truly that the politicians have become cartoon characters of themselves and I am not liking it. This has become a smokescreen for avoiding other issues, such as Jamie Gorelik and her memo to dis-assemble the intelligence community. Alot of things have gone wrong, and there is no one person to blame, but that event should definitely be focused on as well instead of being swept aside for a bunch of our soldiers inflicting psychological, not physical, damage to people they needed to get to talk.
Off my Podium now...
Next?
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 07, 2004 01:32 PM (TX9r0)
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Everytime I see something like that it's like re-living it.
I hate to see this everytime but we ALL need to be reminded what started all of this....and that we, as Americans, intend to finish it and to make those bastards rue the day they were conceived.
Lock and load.
Posted by: Mad Mikey at May 07, 2004 03:27 PM (xGZ+b)
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Babe, what I tried to explain to you when you called yesterday, is pretty much what Snowball
is trying to impart. 9/11 has nothing to do with our attacking Saddam. That attack was justified by the (seems now) false reports of Wmds, and his
imminent use of them. The twin towers, Saddam gassing members of his own population for being anti-Saddam have nothing to do with Bush's decision to attack. (It's perfectly ok to gas
or otherwise abuse your own citizens. Germany could have gassed Jews for a decade, but war was declared because he attacked other countries.)
Keep in mind that OIL is a large factor when discussing the Middle East. We came to the Saudi's aid, and kicked the Iraqi army's ass
a few years ago because of, basically,OIL.
Your poignant film of 9/11 is heart-rending, but has nothing to do with us being at war with
Iraq. (A war which was declared won by Bush
a year ago, by the way.) I talked to you about
Osama; you didn't know who he was. (A bad guy,
maybe a president of some bad country?) You didn't
know that Bush is a republican.. You have no idea
about the politics and problems of the Middle East, but you are completely pissed the big mess
we're involved in now, and you should be. But be pissed for the corrct reasons, and be pissed at
the proper people. You must realize, now that we
are into a (Holy) war, that we are attempting to
indicate to the Muslim people that we don't hate
Muslims or the Muslim religeon. We are trying to appear as the apotheosis of Saddam or Ossama.
"We're here to help you folks! Muslims and Christians working together in mutual respect,
to help make your lives better, and to never denigrate your beliefs..."
This episode in the prison has ruined any chance of convincing any Muslim that we're the
'Good' guys and those stinking Ossama/Saddam
types are the 'Bad' guys. As a public relations
disaster, it would be difficult to imagine worse.
You are indignatly pissed, good for you.
But you haven't paid one minute's attention over
the past several year to what's been going on, and what's at stake. It is way late to attempt
to explain to you how wrong mistreating those
prisoners was. And, for Christ's sake (or Allah's) don't be taking pictures!
Enough ranting, I love you.
Dad
Posted by: haveayen at May 07, 2004 09:34 PM (8+cBB)
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I agree with alot of what you say, haveayen, but there is much more to it than that. Oil, is most definitely not the primary reason for this war.
This war against terrorism, Bin Laden, Saddam, Taliban, Al Qaeda, you name it, has been declared upon us for a lot longer than since september of 2001. In 1993, the world trade center was bombed the first time, and that is when we should have thrown our muscle into the fire. In Somalia, while our troops were trying to ensure the delivery of food to the starving people there, agents of the taliban and al qaeda threw themselves into the fray against us with the drug lords in mgadishu, again, we did nothing but turn our backs and wash the blood from our hands.
We, because no one else will, need to protect ourselves from this madness. Saddam had threatened the world, us, israel, and, saudi arabia specifically for years with the threat of nuclear and bilogical warfare. He had developed missiles, and purchased them and the technologyfor them, from france, germany, japan, korea and china. Can you imagine what would have happened if he had lauched his scud 2 and scud 3's into ryadh or jerusalem loaded with a few megatons of nuclear mushrooms? He did not, and I am glad that he was not allowed to simply because we called his hand and threw him out of his spider hole covered in the muck of his own filth.
I do agree that the oil is a secondary issue, simply because he could have denied the world all of Iraq's reserves simply by adding some biological contaminents to the oil. He never had a chance to do that either. And Theresa Heinz Kerry can drive John Kerry to his botox sessions in one of their 20 SUV's now without fear of where to get some gas.
Truly,
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 07, 2004 10:32 PM (TX9r0)
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9/11 has nothing to do with our attacking Saddam.
I would have to strongly, albeit respectfully, disagree with that statement. 9/11 completely changed our world-view and our approach to national security. In the previous couple of hundred years part of our national defense was predicated on the notion that we were relatively safe from invading forces and the dangers they would impose. We thought of ourselves as being isolated by oceans from any possible threats thus any immanent invading army.
9/11, as the Administration has pointed out, was a wake-up call that the above approach was no longer valid. The thought process that applies to an invading army does not apply to stratagems of terrorism. It became apparent that a handful of dedicated people with access to the kinds of weapons that are so readily prevalent in today’s post Cold War world could cause as much, if not more, damage than an invading army. Also a small handful of people are able to blend in and are much more difficult to locate and isolate; especially in a free society such as ours.
Also 9/11 demonstrated that to wait until after we are attacked to retaliate is just not feasible. Someone sets off a suitcase nuke, detonates a dirty bomb, or releases a chemical that kills tens of thousands or, perhaps, hundreds of thousands and then retaliate is just not acceptable. The post 9/11 world is much different. We are now in an era of preemptive strikes against a viable threat.
Now, take the above information and combine it with the following facts.
Fact: Saddam had WMD and demonstrated that he was willing to use them against his enemies i.e. the Kurds and Iranians.
Fact: Saddam was actively working towards the procurement of a viable nuclear weapons program.
Fact: There is no evidence that Saddam was supplying money and arms to al-Qaeda although there is substantial circumstantial evidence that he was allowing training to take place in his country.
Fact: Saddam did financially support terrorist organizations like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and others. He is particularly noted for financially supporting families of suicide bombers who killed Jews.
Fact: Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and others, have publicly stated that they consider the US their enemy and have called for our destruction.
Fact: After Gulf War V 1.0 Saddam agreed to let arms inspectors destroy his weapons programs. Instead he kicked them out.
Fact: Saddam provided no proof that he actually destroyed his weapons programs.
Fact: Every credible intelligence organization, including that of the UN Security Council all insisted that Saddam still had the weapons.
Fact: Saddam plotted for the assassination of George Bush V 1.0.
Fact: Saddam hated the US.
When you combine the above facts with the realities of a post 9/11 world and, to me, it is apparent that 9/11 had everything to do with our attacking Saddam.
Another fact to remember is that G.W Bush never claimed that Saddam was an “imminent threat”. You will not find any transcript of any interview or speech that he claimed Saddam was an “imminent threat” (I may be wrong, I’m going off my memory. If anyone finds something to the contrary please let me know). What G.W. did say was that he did not want to wait until Saddam became an imminent threat to act.
I do agree, in part, with the notion of “holy war”. Nobody wants to admit it, especially the current Administration, but that is pretty much what it is. I’d take it a step further in that it’s more of a cultural war than a holy war. You can find roots to this conflict that go back to way before the advent of Judeo Christianity or Islam. Simply put Judeo Christianity is a product of the West and Islam is a product of the East/Middle East. It’s far more complicated than that but at its most basic that’s pretty much it.
This conflict can be traced back to the Persian Campaign against Ancient Greece. The Battle of Salamis circa 400 BC was one of the great turning points of humanity. Had the Persians won we, most likely, would be living in a very different world now. The fact that the Greeks stopped the Persians and destroyed their army means that we had a Rome, a Venice, the notion of Democracy, etc.
Eventually the Greeks seeded the cultural that is known as the West and the Persians seeded the culture that is much of the Middle East. Again, a great simplification, but still, at its most fundamental, how it is.
The conflict between Christianity and Islam is an extension of the greater cultural conflict that dates back to the two different burgeoning societies that begat the West and the Middle East/Arabic cultures.
With an ever-shrinking world the two cultures are, again, beginning to clash. Because they are so divergent, I believe, it is impossible for them to merge; I’ve got some three thousand years of history on my side on this. This culture war is just beginning in my opinion and we will have years, perhaps generations, of coming conflict.
The reality is that there is, quite possibly, more at stake than what many can imagine. What is at steak, ultimately, is the survival of our culture. Not a lot unlike ancient Greece and the Battle of Salamis.
It’s far more complicated than this but it’s a basic run down.
Oh yeah, there’s also oil too.
Posted by: Daniel at May 07, 2004 11:44 PM (5gmGM)
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I'll just toss into the discussion that Spain was specifically targeted because King Carlos and Queen Isabella (yep, of Christopher Columbus times), fought a war and expelled the Moors from the Andalusia region of Spain. The Moors were Muslim, hence Islam wants "their" territory back. In Islam's eyes, Spain should be a Muslim country. They're heavily Catholic, hence infidel, so blowing up trains full of civilians is a religious act and perfectly acceptable to them.
Unless and until Islam goes through their own version of the Reformation, we will be at war with them. Even if we don't recognize that war, they do.
Posted by: Ted at May 08, 2004 10:55 AM (ZjSa7)
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i know there are smart pro-war people and dumb anti-war types (i'm the latter) -- although i feel it to be so, i cannot truthfully look at the pro-war arguements as simple hatefulness, self-indulgence, self-deception, vacant deluded wishful self-important sin. i know that's not a good way to think, because political differences are irrelevant to shared humanity, to our common belonging. even believing as i do that god is dead (he was a wonderful god) and america is dead (she was a wonderful country) i still feel that being american is meaningful, it's a relationship that i have to you, a sibling american.
what annoys me no end, though, is this mindless blood-lust, what was the phrase, there are many lives that need to be ended because they are such a waste. i don't know how to answer that: where would i begin?
if someone dear to me were killed or even just hurt, i would be quite likely to kill the attacker on the spot. it's not good to be impulsively lethal in this way, but i think it's part of who i am. with a little time, though, i'm sure i would try to act in a way wh best served the living, the people to whom i'm responsible, eg, myself, the rest of my family.
i do not believe there exists a nation or (even a terrorist group) which allows itself to act on impulse. a nation attacks and kills because its leaders believe that to do so will serve some national interest. a leader who makes war for motives of revenge, personal gain, irrational obsession or rank stupidity, to me, this leader is a failure, right across the board, strategic, diplomatic, economic, political, moral.
our grandparents' generation is to date the only one to use nuclear weapons on civilians. it's kind of mindblowing that those men, knowing as they did the catastrophic nature of those bombs, actually dropped two of them. still, in no way do i believe that truman was the failure that george w bush is now: truman's calculation was essentially sound, he knew that the loss of life collateral to an invasion of japan would be exponentially larger than that of hiroshima and nagasaki. he acted in his nation's best interest.
why does 911 justify anything? my brother was not in the wtc on that day (he was due there in the evening) but he was mere minutes away from dying in the wtc bombing of 1993... his path train drove straight through the debris. does this somehow entitle me to be stupid about geopolitical strategy? and really, if you want to destroy the country most responsible for 911, why not bomb the daylights out of our nominal ally, saudi arabia... the wtc terrorists were virtually all saudi nationals (as is bin laden; and the money was saudi; and the saudis warned bush in july (how did they know?); and in the summer of 2003, look at the action in saudi investments, they were unusually eager to unload their (substantial) stakes in citigroup, american express, etc.)
you know who i want to kill? litterbugs. can't tell you how it pisses me off, bottles and cans everywhere i take my toddler.
Posted by: orionoir at May 08, 2004 09:53 PM (IVEec)
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Good Grief....
I just spent almost an hour making my Dad go balder than he already is discussing this shit.
I must just be some kinda nut. I dunno. I'm still of the opinion that our guys are our guys and we do NOT prosecute them for doing whatever it takes to get what they can outta these chucklefucks.
THEN, something tells me to check my email and I find Dan, Snow, Rei and Sam have replied. Thank you one and all.
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Welcome to Email City...
Your dad made many of the same points I did, but with different reasoning it seems. I know the frustration you feel with the seeming impotency of the reaction to the soldiers acting out in humiliating the prisoners. But I think I reasoned those out for you enough (long-windedly enough too) in the email. Lord knows that what wrath we have brought upon those who have decided we are the people to be destroyed in the world is not enough at present. The terrorism must be stamped out like you do weeds and insect infestations in gardend before they destroy the whole crop. I have absolutely no bias against the arabian people as a whole, but those bastards that enjoy killing and destroying america do indeed deserve the treatment dished to said weeds and insects.
Psiwarfare is an old game, and we must continue to
use it to its end. The stakes are just too high for our country for us not to get into the mud with them and make them chew on their own filth. If we do not go the extra mile, all those people that have died in the middle east, and all those people who died in a field in Pennsylvania, in the Pentagon and in the towers, some of whom were friends of mine, are for naught.
The outrage that is being felt, i believe, is that not enough of that humiliation is being done, not too much. At least most of the people that I've spoken to over the last few days.
At the same time, America should stand for more than that, ultimately, our way of life is the biggest testament as to why indeed we should overcome these events in time. After all, here we can write about what our country does, disagree in a public forum such as this without fear of retribution - something that was not possible in Iraw, until we began walking the line there.
"God" Bless America...My Home Sweet Home.
Siempre
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 06, 2004 06:42 PM (UEv1X)
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By The Way - My hair couldn't be better.... as frustrating as this whole situation is... and as much as I have raked my hair between my fingers it's holding up just fine.
Hooray for Pantene Pro!
Siempre,
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 06, 2004 07:15 PM (UEv1X)
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Well, thank God for that, at least. (lol) One bald man to my 'credit' is plenty.
Posted by: Stevie at May 07, 2004 12:45 AM (MxLEu)
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I don't care about the Geneva convention or even about the outrage of a whole nation of ragheads. What I do care about is the fact the these soldiers willfully violated Army requlations, were stupid enough to take pictures of it and the chain of command chose to ignore it. These shitheads and their commanders made even harder to deal with a situation that is almost impossible to deal with now. Other soldiers will die because of this, some raghead will declare another holy war and more americans will die, and this will be the rally point. These soldiers violated a trust, and Army regulations, they deserve what ever happens to them and so does the chain of command that let it happen. We learned this lesson in Viet-Nam and countless other wars. I speak from 30 years of service in the Army.
Posted by: James Old Guy at May 07, 2004 12:55 PM (s5wS/)
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Just because I have a few less hairs than I did forty years ago, you don't hafta tell every body I'm bald! (and fat, and old..) I compliment another old guy (James) for his perfectly well-written comments. I spent three years in the Army,
intercepting communist-country messages from the
little town of Bad Aibling. (You've been there,
Stevie) Everything we did was top secret (though
quite mundane.) When we went to Salzburg on
pass, I discovered that many people, prostitutes,
bartenders, taxi drivers, knew exactly what we did, who our company commader was, what we had to
eat last Tuesday, etc. It's enought to piss you
off that many people would violate secrecy by letting little things slip when talking to
strangers. I considered this a terrible thing.
(Naive farm kid..) But, as James says, this violation of regulations, especially in a combat
zone is inexcusable! And, pictures!
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SonofaBITCH!!!
I friggin' THOUGHT so. I didn't want to believe it, but... Jesus Christ. I was pissed enough this morning thinking that our guys are gonna be prosecuted for bitch-slapping these towelheads. It's really over psychological interrogation techniques?
My aching ass.
I saw a picture of some dipshit prisoner wearing a hood and having what looked like a string of Christmas lights hangin' off him, standing on a stool. The caption under the picture said it was a prisoner who had been told that if he fell or stepped offa what he was standing on, he'd die.
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OK, Stevie. You know I love you and have loads of respect for you as a human being and as a fellow woman, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.
Governments around the world agreed -- prior to WWII and Hitler's attrocities against people who were "just a bunch of worthless Jews" -- to stick to certain rules of human decency regarding prisoners of war. Those agreements are what keep authorities hunting Nazis 50 years later. And they were "just following orders," like many of our soldiers were in this situation. If a few of those men had stood up and said "this is wrong," would millions of Jews needed to die?
We don't want our boys tortured, so we'd sure as hell better not be torturing theirs either. We're Americans. We're civilized, and we're proud. As a people, I'd like to believe that we're above the sort of butchery and brutality seen in that Iraqi prison. I don't believe that we should train the humanity out of our soldiers the way Hitler did.
Torture of anyone is not ever allowed, nor should it be. That's why there's no limitation on war crimes. As people, regardless of religion or political affiliation, we can't allow others to be treated that way. Those Iraqis are prisoners of war, yes. They're also human beings. You wouldn't let someone treat your dog that way.
So there you have my opinion. Yep, I'm prolly more of a liberal than you are, but this isn't political to me. It's about basic human decency.
Posted by: snowball at May 06, 2004 02:22 PM (u3M6e)
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Chapter two is in progress at the moment... I TRIED to post the first one on here but it gave me a shitload(escuseme) of errors and said it wanted to post truncated.. soo I cancelled it and mailed the original to you direct.
In the meantime, prosecuting the soldiers is a two-edged sword and you are feeling both edges at the moment. I will attempt in my second posting to clarify the pros and cons of it and the not so wonderful necessity to have this "problem" rectified. I alluded to it partially at the end of the first message, in that the wide-spread panic and fear of the general public that is instilled by media people. But you will get the idea abit clearer soon.. ALSO - check your mail for a suprise....
Siempre,
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 06, 2004 02:28 PM (UEv1X)
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I would agree with much of what Snowball has to say however I won’t go so far as to describe what happened as “torture”. The photos depict humiliation, that is for sure but not torture.
Torture is gang raping a teenage girl in front of her parents, slowly lowering someone into a wood-chipper, throwing them off a building that’s only high enough to cause injury but not death, ad nausium . . . I could go on. These are all things that occurred under Saddam.
Mind-fucking someone to get information is NOT torture according to the Geneva Conventions. Threatening to kill someone to get information is NOT torture according to the Geneva Conventions. Making someone stand in one spot without sleep for 12 hours in order to break them to give you information is NOT torture according to Geneva Conventions. Talk to any military interrogator and you will realize these are all valid methods of procurement of information from an enemy prisoner of war.
The difference between what I describe above and what is apparently depicted in the photos is that what was depicted in the photos was apparently done by MP’s not interrogators and apparently done for the reason of simple humiliation and not interrogation. What seems to be depicted in the photos is NOT torture according to the Geneva Conventions. What is depicted is what the Geneva Conventions describe as “cruel and inhumane treatment”.
To me, putting someone through what is depicted in the photos simply for humiliation and entertainment seems a bit twisted . . .If that is the case.
People are playing fast and lose with the word “torture” in an attempt to further their political and social agendas hence the feeding frenzy.
Nothing in the photographs released thus far can be described with words like “butchery” or “torture”. Does that mean I condone what took place? No, it doesn’t but lets keep things in perspective.
What I find equally disturbing is the blatant double standards that are at play here. According to doctors who treated Jessica Lynch, she was sodomized while in Iraqi captivity; where was the outrage from the Arab community then? On 9/11 3000 innocent men women and children died at the hands of radical Islamic Arab terrorists; the Arab world danced in the streets and praised Allah. When those people were shot, dragged out of their car, burned, dismembered, and hung on a bridge, they danced and praised Allah; where was the media outrage then?
Right now as we speak there is a huge UN scandal being uncovered where high UN officials and heads of government were taking bribes in the Iraqi oil for food programs. How many Iraqi’s starved because a French official had a money “deal” with Saddam? How many thousands of Iraqi’s were killed and tortured by Saddam because he was kept in power due to UN foot dragging because the powers that be WANTED Saddam to stay in power because they had a nice little money “deal” with him? Now, Sec. General to the UN, Kofi Annan is attempting to stonewall the investigation of this horrendous scandal that caused much more suffering to Iraqi’s than the humiliation some POW’s were subjected to. Where is the outrage?
More food for thought.
Posted by: Daniel at May 06, 2004 03:07 PM (5gmGM)
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I agree with some of what everyone has said. But Daniel is absolutly correct:
There is a huge difference between humiliation and torture.
Posted by: Sam at May 06, 2004 03:48 PM (xbbHe)
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Singing in the sunshine, laughing in the rain
Hitting on the moonshine, rocking in the grain
Ain't no time to pack my bag, my foots outside the door
Got a date, I can't be late, for the high hopes hailla ball.
Singing to an ocean, I can hear the ocean's roar
Play for free, play for me and play a whole lot more, more!
Singing about good things and the sun that lights the day
I used to sing on the mountains, has the ocean lost it's way.
Sitting round singing songs 'til the night turns into day
Used to sing on the mountains but the mountains washed away
Now I'm singing all my songs to the girl who won my heart
She is only three years old and it's a real fine way to start.
This Message Brought to you By...
---- The Ocean, Houses of the Holy (Led Zeppelin
Now BREATHE....
Posted by: Rei at May 06, 2004 03:51 PM (UEv1X)
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Have you seen the new rash of pictures? I'll stand by torture and butchery. We're better than to treat others this way. Or at least we should be.
Posted by: snowball at May 06, 2004 04:09 PM (u3M6e)
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Yep, seen 'em and, no matter what you think, they are not torture according to Geneva Conventions.
We're better than to treat others this way. Or at least we should be.
It depends on the circumstances. For example, Lt Col. Allen West, some time ago, stood by and watched the interrogation of an Iraqi POW in an attempt to get information that was critical to save many, perhaps hundreds, of soldier's lives. When the interrorgation was getting nowhere Lt. Col. West took out his side arm, pointed at the guys head and asked the question--no answer. Next, Lt. Col. West discharged a round next to the guy's head, put the muzzle back between his eyes and repeated the question and indicated that if he didn't get an answer the next one was going home. The POW coughed up the information and lives were saved. Keep in mind that the POW was tied to a chair. That is NOT torture or butchery because it was part of an interragation to get needed information.
The pictures you speak of show no blood-letting, no one is screaming in pain etc. No, not torture, period.
Was it warrented? I don't think so because it seemed to be for the purpose of personal humiliation only.
This is war. The war on terrorism is a war for our lives against people who want to kill us because we don't slap our head off a rug and bray to Allah. Our only recourse is to either fight for our lives or surrender. Do you want to surrender?
War is not pretty. Believe me, there are things that happen that no one ever knows about that would chill your blood. Some of these things need to happen.
When you have a Special Ops interragator getting crucial information from a prisoner they will do things that will make your skin crawl. They will keep a person awake for 24 hours while standing. They will let them lay on a bed and begin to doze off then wake them and make them stand some more. They will tie them to a table in an uncomfortable position and leave them for hours. They will threaten to kill them-- along with many other things to make them uncomfortable. What a good interragator will NOT do is chop off a finger, stick needles under fingernails, rape, etc. THAT is torture. The reason a good interragator does not torture is because it is against Geneva Conventions AND because it produces bad information. Interragators want the truth not something that a prisoner blerts out to make the pain stop.
Tying a prisoner to a bed with women's underwear over his head isn't torture. Putting a leash on a prisoner and handing it to a woman is not torture. It is humiliating, especially so for those in a culture where women are third class citizens, just below that of a street dog.
Now, IF what took place in the photo's was a means to humiliate the prisoners in accordance to thier particular cultural take on females in a bid to squeeze information out of them, than I don't have as big of a problem with it. However, much of what is in the photos, to me, smacks of simple degradation for the sake of degradation and not to interragate. If that is the case than it truly is dispicable but it is not torture according to Geneva Conventions. Period.
Posted by: Daniel at May 06, 2004 04:34 PM (5gmGM)
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The "use of force, mental torture, threats, insults and exposure to unpleasant and inhumane treatment of any kind" is clearly prohibited by the Geneva Conventions and military law, according to a 1987 edition of FM 34-52, the Army's manual on "intelligence interrogations," and current legal guidelines issued by the Army's intelligence school at Fort Huachucha, Ariz.
Posted by: snowball at May 06, 2004 06:02 PM (u3M6e)
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Whooops. Posted that before I intended to and am running out of time, but meant to include a quote from the Geneva Conventions:
To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
(b) Taking of hostages;
(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;
(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.
Which means our soldiers are in violation of international law and treaties long established. I expect better behavior from the people defending our country.
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Okay, but...
Those 'people' (and I use that word lightly) haven't even signed the Geneva Conventions. Meaning, it means nothing to them and we can't let it stop us from doing what we have to do to stop them.
(Anymore, anyway.)
Or shouldn't it, at least?
Posted by: Stevie at May 06, 2004 06:45 PM (eNkwf)
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The geneva convention does not apply to them, it applies to us, and as such we are bound to its rules and regulations.
This same problem arose during WW II where the Japanese routinely tortured and executed our soldiers for the hell of it, and we were bound to not do anything similar to them in return.
Siempre,
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 06, 2004 07:38 PM (UEv1X)
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I didn't say that this was not a violation of the Geneva Conventions. What I did say and which most any Geneva scholor will concur, is that what happened is NOT classified as "torture". "Mental torture" is purposefully left ambiguous for the simple fact that opposing forces need the means to procure information from prisoners. Sorry, asking Abdullah when the next attack is going to be is not going to cut it. Applying a little mental pressure and humiliation to get that info is acceptable under conditions of interragation.
Like I said, the difference is when it's done just for shits and giggles my MP's.
Posted by: Daniel at May 06, 2004 07:52 PM (5gmGM)
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i don't know if the nytimes is a credible source for you, but the article at
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/international/middleeast/05INMA.html
describes what i think most would agree is torture. for those skipping the link, here's a fragment:
Mr. Abd spoke with no particular anger at the American occupation, though he has seen it closer than most Iraqis. In six months in prisons run by American soldiers, in fact, he said most of them had treated him well and with respect.
"Most of the time, they wouldn't even say, `Shut up,' " he said.
That changed in November — he does not know the exact date — when punishment for a prisoner fight at Abu Ghraib degenerated into torture. That night, he said, he and six other inmates were beaten, stripped naked (a particularly deep humiliation in the Arab world), forced to pile on top of one another, to straddle one another's backs naked, to simulate oral sex. American guards wrote words like "rapist" on their skin with Magic Marker, he said.
The curiosity, through much of the ordeal, was the camera. It was a detail he mentioned repeatedly as he recalled being forced against a wall and ordered by the Arabic translator to masturbate as he looked at one of the female guards.
"She was laughing, and she put her hands on her breasts," Mr. Abd said. "Of course, I couldn't do it. I told them that I couldn't, so they beat me in the stomach, and I fell to the ground. The translator said, `Do it! Do it! It's better than being beaten.' I said, `How can I do it?' So I put my hand on my penis, just pretending."
All the while, he said, the flash of the camera kept illuminating the dim room that once held prisoners of Mr. Hussein, recording images that have infuriated the Arab world and badly sullied America's image in a country more willing these days to think the worst of its occupiers.
"It was humiliating," Mr. Abd said in Arabic through an interpreter. "We did not think that we would survive. All of us believed we would be killed and not get out alive."
these prisoners had every reason to assume that such bizarre treatment could only be a prelude to murder. if you personally have never had that moment of finality -- eg, this is not just a rape or a beating, these people, they mean to kill me -- don't you know someone who has? that's why i agree with snowball's use of the word universal. what our soldiers did to these men speaks to a horror which doesn't need translation. if you've so little empathy as tb unable to imagine what they experienced, i don't know, i don't know how or why you'd be motivated to write anything at all.
Posted by: orionoir at May 06, 2004 09:31 PM (IVEec)
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if you've so little empathy as tb unable to imagine what they experienced, i don't know, i don't know how or why you'd be motivated to write anything at all.
I never said that I felt no empathy. The point I'm trying to make is that nothing is black and white. I've said all along that what appears to be happening in the photos is, in my opinion, horrible. However, take what happened in the photos, put it in the pretext of actual interragation for the purpose of gaining information and I don't have as big a problem with it. Interragation is suppose to have a purpose other than "fun".
In the pretext of what's presented in the pics: bad.
In the pretext of valid interragation: How else do you get intelligence if you don't cause a little discomfort. I'm not talking about beating, cutting off body parts, slivers under the fingernails...
Posted by: Daniel at May 07, 2004 12:50 AM (HSKoP)
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We must realize that what seems like silly
shit to us, is grossly humiliating,personally and religiously to Muslims. This is a problem in
(Holy) wars, ie, when combatants are of different
religions. I was in a top secret ( don't be all that impressed) area of the army.(ASA, Army Secutity Agency.) I was aquainted with other
folks with high security clearances, who had more to do with personal contact with 'enemy-type'
people. (this was in '58-'60.) Even without
being completely specific, they spoke of methods
of information gathering that may have been iffy,
even then. But, with the Genevea Convention in mind, anyone who overstepped themselves would never speak of these transgressions, and would never take pictures! (The 'iffy' methods, were
things mentioned in training...none of my friends
had ever had the occasion to use any such methods.
Nobody had any prisoners back then.)
However, I was copying TASS @0530 one morning in 1960, clear text English, just to see what
was new in the old USSR. Usually TASS sent boring
reports of shoe production in some obscure city,
wheat production, tractors rolling off assembly lines,etc. That morning, they had shot down
Gary Powers, and the purple prose was flowing.
We (and the military) expected something major to happen, and we went on full alert, no passes,
no leave time, and the shift that was on their days off were split into thirds and assigned to
each of the shifts that were working. This lasted
for several months until I left for home in June.
There were reports that Powers had been subjected
to 'unusual' interrogation methods...
But, basicaly, no prisoners, no violations.
Of course, in 'Nam, stories were rife about taking
two Viet Cong prisoners up in a chopper. The first was questioned intently, and refused to talk. He was thrown out of the chopper (at several
thousand feet), and the second prisoner was
very much more cooperative.....
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Okay, I'm confused again...
Of course I am. It's fuckin' POLITICS again.
As I've been cleaning the holy hell outta this house, I do take breaks and I have been on here some and something everybody's talking about has me... confused.
(Meaning pissed and wondering.)
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There is not enough space in here to even attempt to clarify any of the statements or questions you raised in your post.
But there is a lot of crap going on.
Rei
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Ok... I sent a HUGE note.
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May 05, 2004
Update...
Still at it. Details, mostly at this point.
While I'd love to post everything I did, the list of what's left to do is shorter, plus I can't even remember everything I've done.
Left to do is:
The kitchen-this is mostly the floor, but also some wiping down.
Mudroom closet-just a buncha shit that needs to go to the shed.
Petey's house-birdcage. (Oooh, I haven't seen THAT movie lately.)
Stuart Big's house-rat cage.
Carport-a few boxes out there that need to be sorted and either put in the shed or tossed.
Hugh's house-Rabbit cage.
Vacuuming-Have been and will be for foreseeable future. Every. five. minutes.
Wash flags-this means my State of Ga. flag, the POW one and the biker one.
Nail up halter and bridle hangers made of horseshoes.
This is the list... so far.
Lord knows, I'll probably add to it.
In the meantime, I have a new house!
Only thing is, right now I can't decide whether to keep pluggin' or go to bed.
Hmmmm...
Either way, I hope everybody's doin' good.
Except for feeling beat on, I am.
Peace.
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Well, depending on how much is left you could keep plugging away. But that would be entirely up to you.
You are missed on here too...
Its pouring here right now.
Rei
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To save time...
Just in case yer wondering, here's the next few on the playlist.
After The Bee Gees, we'll be switching to...
Or maybe...
Unless I find this guy, wherever the hell I left him last...
After all this, who knows?
Could be anybody from Larry Gatlin to Barry White. I'll hafta see how much voice I have left. The way it already feels, I'm thinking Barry. I've been going for so long, talking and singing so much, I already sound like Suzanne Pleshette.
At the rate I'm going, I'm gonna sound like Bowser, from Sha-Na-Na, by midnight.
Or Froggy from the Little Rascals.
(No, never Alfalfa, Wise-ass.)
Okay, "Blame It On Broadway" is on.
Gotta go.
Peace.
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Well singing is good, singing about anything is good.. And I always had a thing for susanne pleshette.. lol
Music Music Music...
Playing Doobie Brothers Here...
Blackwater keep on rolling, mississippi moon keep on shining... oh yeah..
Posted by: Rei at May 04, 2004 07:56 PM (UEv1X)
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...I've got a present for you over at my site, Stevie... enjoy....
Posted by: Eric at May 04, 2004 08:43 PM (Py0cM)
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Next up. we have...
These guys...
I don't care.
You KNOW they still kick ass.
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Posted by: Rei at May 05, 2004 01:06 AM (UEv1X)
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Absolutely.
Andy, too.
(Harris and Gibbs, actually.)
Posted by: Stevie at May 05, 2004 01:43 AM (LM/zz)
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I don't care what anyone says...the BeeGees Rule.
Posted by: AmyVegas at May 05, 2004 09:11 AM (lBFdX)
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Yes, Andy too. Such a shame....
Hope you are doing well.
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 05, 2004 12:19 PM (UEv1X)
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I love the Bee Gee's as well. How 'bout some "Free Bird" too?
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Just because...
I'm doing this for two reasons.
Because I'm listening to the Beatles and I love this guy...
And, to make
Mike gag, cause I wuv him, too...
*stands ground and picks up bucket of used rinse water as opposed to ducking and running off laughing*
Yessss, Mikey?
(lmao, like Nicholson)
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I loved him too.. I met him in the summer of 1980... And nearly pissed myself.
Posted by: Rei at May 04, 2004 08:01 PM (UEv1X)
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Gah. works very time. *HURL*
pretentious friggin sensitive rainbow hippy narcissist.
Posted by: Mad William Flint at May 05, 2004 02:23 PM (jRssG)
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Narcissits...and rainbows. It is raining today... Hmmm
Of course everytime you masturbate it's narcissism at its finest.
Posted by: Rei at May 05, 2004 02:59 PM (UEv1X)
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I'm really getting there, but...
For everything I get done, I find two more things that oughta be done, too.
Mudroom floor is done. As is the hallway that goes past it from outside to the livingroom. And the steps. And the walls and the front door.
I'm down to the last two loads of wash. This includes, of course, curtains and rugs.
I'm about to do a little re-arranging of some shit in this room. Then, there's the bathroom floor, the kitchen floor, the catboxes (picking... they've been cleaned), the few things in the mudroom closet that need to go out to the shed, a few more lil things in the carport that need to go there too, and a roof for the dog pen.
I also figured out how to max the volume on this pooter and now have the Beatles so loud my hair is flying back behind me in the sound waves.
Oh, and I figured I'd better explain one thing from yesterday. The front-end loader was mostly used to cart away shit from outta the shed and the carport. There was about two loads of just
crap in here that I'd 'collected', but it is GONE!!! Yeah!
I figure anything I haven't seen or used for so long I forgot I even had it, I must not need that damned bad.
Also, I love cats, but...
I seem to be becoming more like my
Blog-Pappy with every bucketful of Lysol-water I use. More and more often, I'm hearing myself say things like, "I swear to Gawd, I'mina kill a cat in about a minnit...", as I scrub yet another surface or, to the tomcats "God damn it, y'all! Git outta this house!! Next cat who sprays, PAYS!!!" or, to random people pretty much everywhere I've been the last day or so, "Hey!! You!! Wanna cat?"
I love my (got-damned, mutha fuckin') cats.
All 927 of the little bastards.
Sighhhh.
Okay. Back to it while I've got "Yellow Submarine" to clean in time to.
Peace.
Fade out to the chorus of "YS"...
"We all live in a yellow submarine..."
(Yes, Ringo. I know it
has seemed that way. That's what I'm trying to change...)
"Sky of blue, floor of clean..."
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YAY YOU for gettin' all that cleanin' done. And 927 cats...gawd I hope yer kiddin'. Either that, or I hope you have a litter box the size of Texas.
Posted by: AmyVegas at May 04, 2004 04:10 PM (lBFdX)
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Maybe it just seems like there's that many of the little shits (and pisses...).
Ya know how if ya left, like, two beer cans and maybe two or three clothes hangers in a dark closet and ya come back in about a week and both have reproduced and become hopelessly entangled and all piled up and have the ability to dribble yellow liquid everywhere?
Cats do the same shit.
Swear ta God...
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AWESOME ... GO YOU!
But I shudder to think what will happen to the next feline when they have "cat"astrophe in something or on something...
MEEEE--OOOOWWWWW
(thud)
But I am impressed!
Posted by: Rei at May 04, 2004 08:04 PM (UEv1X)
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May 03, 2004
'ello, 'ello, 'ello....
How is everybody?
Sorry I haven't been on here the last day or so, but...
I've really, truly, actually been CLEAN cleaning this house. This started out with a rug shampooer and has included, so far, all manner of hand tools and heavy equipment, including a front-end loader. Yes. Literally. A front-end loader.
Rather than spend the rest of the day going over what's been done, let me tell ya what's left...
A bit of wash
Curtain re-hanging
Doing everything that's remotely legal to do to a floor to get it 'eat-off-it' clean, or as close as possible. This, by the way, would be the mudroom floor, so it ain't gonna be a cakewalk or anything.
Putting all the shit back from the shampooing yesterday
A few dishes
General tweaking to as close to 'perfect' as I can get it.
I should be done by the end of the day... keeping in mind, of course, that sometimes my 'days' ARE 48 hours long...
Anyhow... this house is almost brand new, I love it and everything else is also going good.
Oh, by the way..
COULD EVERYONE WHO WAS HERE ON THE 30TH PLEASE COME BACK OVER AND SEE THIS PLACE THE WAY GOD INTENDED IT TO BE?
Thank you. I'll be waiting with coffee made.
Aaaanyway... back to it. I haven't even touched this pooter, except to shut it down and unplug the phone cord to get it outta the way, since... since... two days ago? Wow.
I'm impressed.
And, see? I am NOT surgically attached to this thing, you two guys, you!!! (That'd be Ricky-poo and Whore-hay...)
I'm off to finish.
Talk atcha's later.
I hope everybody's doing at least as good as I am... and then some.
Peace.
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WOW.. Well I am glad that you are doing well, and that the house is doing Mahhhhhvalous even with the Rug Dr...Screaming about health coverage or malpractice insurance. Damn HMO Rug Shampooers are the ruining the home renovation business. Teehee... Anyway, I was beginning to get worried there that a flash flood had come your way (sigh of relief major major relief that THAT was not the case)
So finish it all up and then.. MORE COFFEE...
HUGS ..
Rei
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Sometimes, moving is easier. Or arson.
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May 01, 2004
Jesus... if I'd have known turning 41 was gonna be so awesome...
I'd have done it every year.
Have ya ever had so much you wanted to say, all at the same time, you just can't say anything yet?
Well... that's where I am right now.
My head feels like a topic tornado. So many things all wantin' to come out at once.
And...all of it's GOOD!
Now, there's a first, eh?
I think my biggest problem is that I'm not sure where to start. Then, I'm not sure how to impart some of the info. (That it's good info, doesn't necessarily mean 'easy to get out properly' info... ya know?) Then there's the whole "I still can't quite comprehend it all myself, yet" thing.
Actually, the 'where to start' part I have figured out, to some extent.
With you guys.
This blog and the people I've met through it are just incredible.
I want to thank every one of you who wished me a happy birthday and let ya's know...It worked! It
was happy... and then some. (To put it mildly.)
And, what I'd really like to do is HUG every one of you guys.
Short of that, the next best thing I can do is work out a post to tell you all about it that's as close to as wonderful as it really was... and still is.
Which is what I'm gonna try to do.
Knowing me and the way my brain works (when it does), I may have a few other random things to say before I get all
that said, so... *shrug* Ya know?
Tell ya this much tho.. I used to think days were endless and time just dragged and took waaay to long to pass.
Not anymore.
Now, I almost wish there were about 36 hours in a day and, far from just waiting for the relief of death, I hope I never do
that, right now. (That is subject to change, at least once a month for a few days in a week, okay?)
I feel more alive now and like I have more opportunites and potential to make some kinda difference somewhere for someone... or two... or even 10 than I can ever remember feeling before.
I can matter.... maybe even to me. Wow. What a concept.
I'm still trying to get a handle on it.
So, I think I'm gonna go work on that for a bit.
I'll be back.
I love you guys.
Thank you once again.
For
everything.
(Retroactive to the first day I wrote the first sentence in the first incarnation of this blog.)
I already know that every step a person has ever taken is what led them to where they are now, so... every one of YOU has helped me get to where I am right now.
"Thank you" doesn't even start to cover it.
Peace...
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Dear Stevie - Sorry I missed yesterday. Hope you will count this birthday wish toward your "41". Ever since I found you (via Acidman), you have been a daily joy to read. I'm just sorry I'm not Bret. Love, Terry
Posted by: Terry Reynolds at May 01, 2004 01:30 PM (gUmnr)
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You know, you do matter... I have read from one end of this blod to the other now and I've read every comment for every entry and it is so clear to me that you matter.... And From those entries, its clear to everyone else too.
The difference you make is continual...and breathtaking... just like you.
Always...
Rei
Posted by: Rei at May 01, 2004 01:42 PM (UEv1X)
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B L O G
Argh... Dyslexic fingers STRIKE!
Posted by: Rei at May 01, 2004 01:44 PM (UEv1X)
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Happy Birthday to you.
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Posted by: Rei at May 02, 2004 05:37 PM (UEv1X)
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Bush vs Kerry
G.W Bush and John Kerry somehow ended up at the same barbershop.
As they sat there, each being worked on by a different barber, not a word
was spoken.
The barbers were even afraid to start a conversation for fear it would turn to
politics.
As the barbers finished their shaves, the one who had Kerry in his chair reached
for the aftershave. Kerry was quick to stop him saying "No thanks, my wife Theresa
will smell that and think i've been in a whorehouse."
The second barber turned to Bush and said," How 'bout you?" Bush replied, "Go ahead, my wife doesn't know what the inside of a whorehouse smells like."
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April 30, 2004
Want cake dammit!
And presents.
And chocolate.
To go with my case of Tequila Rose. You did get me the Tequila Rose, right?
Ooooh, and comments.... lots of comments. I expect at least 41 birthday wishes; one for each year. Like candles on my cake, only better.
When does Bret get here? I want my special birthday striptease too!!
Edited May 1: To remove goofy birthday songs from autoplay. If you wanna hear the last one,
here it is (284kb wav) for a little while longer.
Stevie, I told you it was dangerous to give logins to untrustworthy people! Happy birhtday darlin'.
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rotflmao...you booger Sweetheart!
Thank you, Paul...
Posted by: Stevie at April 30, 2004 11:18 AM (74/2Y)
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Uuuummm...'booger' was supposed to be STRUCK...*giggle*
Posted by: Stevie at April 30, 2004 11:18 AM (74/2Y)
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S:
Ya gotta check it out in IE periodically throughout the day too.
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I wish you all the best a birthday can be!
Bless ya Stevie!
Enjoy!
I fell in love with you're spirit and wit when you lost your biggest pair of jeans. I can't remember the quote exactly. but dam you made me choke on my coffee the day I read that!
Thanks! Yoou are appreciated.
urrr, just read that back.
(fell in love with you're spirit and wit)?
Straight chick here... no often to you ..HAHA
not hitting on your lady Eric.
Ya know what I mean.
bue
Posted by: Lori at April 30, 2004 12:53 PM (osUaX)
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You say it’s your birthday.
It’s my birthday too – yeah.
They say it’s your birthday.
We’re gonna have a good time.
I’m glad it’s your birthday
Happy birthday to you.
Yes we’re going to party party
Yes we’re going to party party
Yes we’re going to party party.
I would like you to dance – Birthday
Take a cha-cha-cha-chance – Birthday
I would like you to dance – Birthday dance
You say it’s your birthday.
It’s my birthday too – yeah.
You say it’s your birthday.
We’re gonna have a good time.
I’m glad it’s your birthday
Happy birthday to you.
Posted by: REi at April 30, 2004 01:13 PM (UEv1X)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
Yea, I sent you an e-card, but it just didn't feel right to not leave you a comment here as well...so I just had-ta!
HUGS and HAPPINESS!
Posted by: AmyVegas at April 30, 2004 01:38 PM (lBFdX)
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Happy Birthday! Hope it's a great day.
Posted by: sandy at April 30, 2004 01:50 PM (ge9c9)
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Happy B-Day.
You're lucky I'm not there to express it in person
Posted by: daniel at April 30, 2004 05:43 PM (5gmGM)
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Happy birthday, lady!!!
Posted by: Dawn at April 30, 2004 08:35 PM (Ev/7m)
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Happy B'Day, Ms Stevie!
Posted by: Madfish Willie at April 30, 2004 10:29 PM (2R2sa)
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I'm not sure if I've ever commented her before, but I read you often.
Happy 41st!
Posted by: LOIQ at April 30, 2004 11:49 PM (S5E7y)
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Happy 41 plus a day!
We had a great time with you yesterday.
How nice to meet Rob. He seems quite a good guy (and he can ride a horse quite well, also).
Eric's supper was a perfect end to a good
day. We got home a little after ten, hoping that
George did a little better, since we don't need him sleeping in his car or the chickenhouse.
Now, if you can just get eleven of your blogpals
to send you a bottle of Tequila Rose, you'll have a case, fulfilling at least one of your
birthday wishes! (Remember, a case of Tequila
Rose is better than a case of the clap. --I think I saw that in one of their ads...)
See ya, Love.
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Your How Old? Just Damn! Damn it all to hell!
Posted by: Dax Montana at May 01, 2004 10:41 AM (nFKG3)
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lmao... God, Dad... *shaking head and laughing*
What Dax? *cocked eyebrow* There somethin' you know that I oughta about bein' this age? (Elvis just hip-swiveled his way thru my mind...oof.)
LOIQ... (I just got that. Maybe we should trade screennames? lol)
Well, Hi. Glad you come by and read. Feel free to comment any time.
Madfish Willie... Why thank you!
And, you too Dawn-who-spells-her-name-correctly. (*snerk* You do know we have the same name, except mine's got a 'u', instead of a 'w', I hope...) *hugs*
Dan... Don't know whether to say Thank you, Love, or Uh-oh first. Lotsa things that that could mean come immediately to mind. The first of which makes me reeeeally glad to be sitting down. *grin*
Sandy... Thank you. It really was. (Psst... I was in Germany once myself. It's gorgeous over there and the people... Ach. They're great! I hope you like it as much as I did.
Hey Dad.... when we doin' that again, anyhow?)
Amy, Sweetie... You go on and send as much as ya want. Commenting to just gives me one more chance to lay one more hug on ya... *HUG!* See?
Rei... Another great song! You're just full of 'em, ain't ya? Ain't no way I'm gonna even come close to saying all I want to here, what without making the comments too hard to load, so... Keep yer YIM on, Hon.
Lori... Okay, now I just hafta go back thru the archives and find that post. To quote Tincup McEvoy, "If you tell me when I'm having one of those 'moments', I'll do my best to replicate them..." *grin* And, fear not, we both gotcha... (lol) And, thank you, too.
Mad Bill... Ooookay... *looking like a dog hearin' a high note* I love ya, Buddy, and I understand more clearly every. single. DAY. why we get along so well. (Hippo Birdie...*shaking head, laughing again*)
Paul... Is there a way to make a computer make the 'infinity' sign? If not, can ya draw yerself one for me, please? *hugs......still ain't let go yet........one more second....* There.
Stevie... Step AWAY from the computer and go ride Storm, why don'tcha? Ooops... that's me... Never miiind. (Bitch.)
Ummm, yeah.
Need to do that.
Thank you all, again.
*Blowing kisses*
You guys ROCK!
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Oh, Paul, Honey... I forgot one thing.
*listening to this song for about the 20th time straight*
IF I'm ever able to walk again after laughing so hard I hurt myself, I am gonna hafta smack you....
You nutjob.
(Where DO you find this shit? rotflmao again..God damn...)
Posted by: Stevie at May 01, 2004 12:17 PM (rJbMj)
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Happy Belated. Sorry I wasn't able to post on the correct day- was off playing weekend warrior. So- Happy Happy!!
Posted by: Kenna at May 03, 2004 04:29 AM (h8fVz)
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I missed it! Damn!
I'm glad to hear it was happy. Add my best wishes onto the pile.
Posted by: Snowball at May 03, 2004 11:42 AM (u3M6e)
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Yay! (I'm fashionably late, is all.)
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Happy Barf-day to me...
It just hit me again...
I'm in the middle, somewhere, of cleaning like the old 'white tornado' and I just realized it again.
Birfday's here agin.
However...
The year, I'm starting a new policy. Where I was 40 last year, this year, insteada being 41, I've decided to be 39 again. Next year, I'll be 38 and so on, til I'm around 14 again, then I'll start back up and see if I can get it right this time.
Lotsa minutes later....
Oh my friggin Gawd...
I cannot believe who just IM-ed me. Remember I've mentioned Gia Carangi, that beautiful model from here in Bucks Co? Well, a guy who I've always thought of as one of her closest friends, from all I've read, had an email address that I tripped across one night, many months ago. I dropped him a short note just to say "Hi" and that I love Gia myself and all and bing!
He just popped up on YIM a bit ago...
I am freakin'!
Ohmigod...what a birthday this is turning into.
Then, I get this email from Dan at Lobowalk and the Lobowalk T-shirt he sent should be here soon!
Still have my cell on too...just in case Bret gets bored, today.
Off ta finish cleanin'...
Be back later!
Oh. My. Gaaaawd!!!
He's comin' over. No, not Bret....Gia's friend and now mine, too...Rob.
I am numb.
Speechless and numb.
I'm getting him up on Storm...
wow.
Gonna go...wander off in a daze, now...
wow.
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Heh. By the time yer 14 again you'll be 78! Better start over now, missy!
Posted by: Tuning Spork at April 30, 2004 11:59 PM (HJ2yh)
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Ooops. I meant 66.
I think... *grabs calculator*
Posted by: Tuning Spork at May 01, 2004 12:02 AM (HJ2yh)
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Hey Spork!
I just turned 66, and I don't need to be thinkin' about my daughter being 66 yet. I'll be
92 and not able to type any more of these protests by then. (Can't type worth a shit now, actually.) Pick on Stevie all you want, but leave my (Gee, he looks good for his) age out of it, or I'll be chasin' you around the nursing home swinging my cane...
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April 29, 2004
Oops, I did it again...
I think.
First of all, my Mozilla healed itself again. All I had to do was so much as mention it to Paul and it's fixed.
Cool.
I'm making a dent, at least, in this house.
Also cool.
I 'met' a really cool guy earlier on YIM. I happened by the computer on my way somewhere, cleaning, and saw the IM box, so I sat down to say "Hi" and have a cigarette.
TWO HOURS LATER, I finally got back to cleaning.
While I'm doing this, he was gonna be checking this place out.
He must have. I saw him in the referrer log.
Besides, he's gone now. (The smiley face in YIM for his name is blank.)
Hmmm.
Wouldn't be the first person I've caused to run screaming, but...damn.
*shaking head*
Paul's not on, either.
Nobody is.
God's way of tellin' me to "clean da freakin' house, bitch", maybe?
I'm on it....
11:42pm...He's back.
Cool.
Two minutes later...Paul's back too....Yay!!!
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What a day for a daydream...whistling sound... You know.. sometimes dreams do indeed come true.... and then some.
Posted by: Rei at April 30, 2004 08:33 AM (UEv1X)
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Qvestion...
Siiiigh.
Help, please.
I use Mozilla for my browser. I've been using it for a while and for the life of me, I cannot remember which version it is. It's just the basic one that you find on their website for Windows. It's free, too.
I don't even know if it matters which version it is.
We have three profiles to choose from when we start Moz. Mine, Ricky-poo's and Whore-hay's. (I know that's not how it's spelled, but that IS how George is pronounced in Spanish. Austrian is even weirder..Gay-aug. No idea how it's really spelled, that's just how it sounds...)
Aaanyway... I can't get to Xfire under my Moz profile, damn it. It's happened before and I just switch to Rick's and go on, but now it's doing it... or NOT doing it under his, too.
I can still get there under the third one, but it's got none of my links or added 'bookmarks' in the toolbar and I WANT MY MOZ BACK!!!! *sob*
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