Confederate Yankee
November 05, 2008
Four Years and Counting...
As I mentioned briefly a little earlier, Confederate Yankee sprang to life four years ago today. It was never really intended as anything more than a one-off response to an angry elitist, but as responses to that post came rolling in, I got hooked.
Blogging has been very good to me. I've met some truly brilliant people as a result of blogging, both online and in person. Some of these people are bloggers and media personalities and politicians you may have heard of, and many more are commenters and those who actually
do the things I write about, including soldiers, journalists, professors, and other hard-working Americans.
Those of you who do are are an inspiration to me, and keep me humble as I should be. Mostly, I write and reflect and pontificate.
You make America—and other countries—work. I just hope that in some way I can contribute to furthering your far more important work, popularize those things you believe, and occasionally shine sunlight into those areas that need to be disinfected.
Thanks for the ride so far, folks.
I can only imagine what we'll do next.
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Posted by: History Chasers at November 05, 2008 01:19 PM (z2gwW)
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Congratulations, CY.
Here's hoping that you turn 4 years into 40 more. Cheers!
Posted by: W-K-B at November 05, 2008 03:22 PM (2sAX0)
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Congrats! You are on our RSS feed.
Posted by: Marc Boyd at November 05, 2008 04:00 PM (Zoziv)
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Well!
Only four years? Seems longer than that.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at November 05, 2008 04:03 PM (O9Cc8)
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Thank You CY! You asked "What will we do next?" Well, I know from experience that a true unrestricted Combat War Correspondent (as in Ernie Pyle) is almost impossible to find these days. Michael Yon comes very close, but he's freelance. "Embedded Jouranlists" were neither, and were a joke, staying behind walls and paying locals for "reports" that naturally were false, they learn fast, and only bring back what the biased media wants to print, beneath a real name. I believe intereted bloggers should convene (As in Convention) and petition the U.S. Armed Forces to provide a real soldier correspondents to send their stories to interested blogs. With todays "lap-top" technology it's an easy task. Yes, their scoops would be censored, but I KNOW that the reality is that the Army WANTS this kind of news to go out, they just don't like it going out to, and being twisted to schreds by, the biased Mainstream Media. In contrast, PJM style blogs would offer the Armed Forces BOTH an opportunity to "kind'a" tweak the story, get the finished story out, and trust that there would be a SOURCE that the MSM would have to go through (like a firewall) to try and spin it. An added bonus is of course; REVENGE and PAYBACK by throwing the MSM out of the loop ant replacing it with bloggers dedicated to reporting the truth. PLEASE think about it, pass it along. It's a great Idea, and would make national stars out of all of you who participated. (Not that 'cha aren't already).
Posted by: Nostradamus at November 05, 2008 04:56 PM (6XCLG)
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CY, it's been a lot of fun hanging out here with ya. I plan on sticking around for at least 4 more years, if you'll have me.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 05, 2008 07:13 PM (PnuiE)
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Four years already! I hope you find the next four years as rewarding as the last. Glad you're around.
Posted by: pst314 at November 05, 2008 10:42 PM (WjPRb)
Posted by: Robert at November 05, 2008 11:24 PM (zya/z)
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Bob, you've done a hell of a job with this thing, going beyond blogging and into serious, substantive citizen journalism. Do carry on, and thank you.
Posted by: Pablo at November 06, 2008 12:00 AM (yTndK)
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Don't sell yourself short - and I mean many of "you" - bloggers and commenters alike.
I agree with all you said, but I think one thing this election cycle has shown us -- the internet is becoming an important part of our democracy.
Of course, it, and specifically "blogging" can do harm - wild rumors and smears and lies and even fake sites set up to discredit the opposition or individuals....
....it is much harder for readers to police/sift the internet.....but it is a rising form of valuable mass communication - at a time when our traditional means --- is failing horribly ---- our mainstream media...
If it were not for certain talk radio shows, especially the investigative work Sean Hannity did, or for some well known conservative blogs, like this one, ---- how much more of our voting masses would have been completely in the dark about Obama's past before he began running for president - when he does not have an extensive history in government for us to learn from???
And talk radio's days are numbered.....
Reputable blogs --- and I'd say reputable on the left or right or center ---- will become even more important once the federal government makes the move against talk radio.
And blogs can build a reputation over time. And become known. And gain in credibility and influence.
The comments sections also allow for a sometimes too spirited discussion - but a discussion you can't get most other places. And that can be a small positive in our democracy as well.
You are not a soldier fighting a war or a policeman on the thin blue line.....but you are offering something valuable (and new).....
....and deserve thanks for that.....
Posted by: usinkorea at November 06, 2008 02:58 AM (vDCL4)
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CY,
Keep up the great work. I felt I had to do something more as I watched the election returns and started my own conservative blog here http://www.survivingsocialism.com/
Hopefully I can follow in your footsteps.
Garet
Posted by: garetjax at November 06, 2008 11:44 AM (iH8I8)
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Congrats, Bob, and well done; here's to many happy returns. Lord knows we're all going to have plenty of material to work with in the coming months and years.
Posted by: Mike at November 06, 2008 01:28 PM (fVWhk)
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Four years ago today, I read a particularly vicious rant on Slate called The unteachable ignorance of the red states. It was part of a series of angry rants written by a bitter liberal authors in response to John Kerry's defeat. This particular angry author, Jane Smiley, seemed to need sedation as she bashed the 59 million Americans that voted for President Bush.
Smiley, who doubtlessly considered (and probably still considers) herself superior to most Americans, exposed an amusing sort of condescension as she sought to make a historical point involving the Civil War during her rant. It would have been far more biting and far less amusing if she had not gotten that history precisely
backward.
Her arrogance and ignorance warranted correction, and led to
this blog entry, my very first.
Glenn Reynolds and
Frank J both linked it (then on blogspot), and I've been hooked ever since, some 3239 blog entries, 34,000 reader comments, and 4.6 million page views later. It's been a good run thus far, and one that appears to be strengthening over time.
I'm quite sure that giddy liberals awoke this morning hoping to hear Smileyesque rants and tortured wails of defeat coming from those of us on the right, accompanied by empty threats of abandoning the country and declarations that Barack Obama isn't
our President. It is what they did.
Such is not our style, however.
We
love the United States. Through every conflict and war through the various permutations of the Democratic and Republican parties, we love the
country, not its politicians. We know better than to subscribe to cults of personality, having seen the damage they've done to nations in other parts of the world.
And so we wish Barack Obama great success as our 44th President, because we want our country to succeed, for our children's sake. We want our kids to reach heights and have opportunities that their forefathers couldn't have imagined. We want them to have an ever-better world.
I'm sure that Democrats also want these things for their kids. We just have very different ideas on how to get there.
We now have a liberal President-Elect, a liberal-led Senate, and a liberal-led House of Representatives. They now have the power and the responsibility. We'll see how Hyde Park, Las Vegas, and San Francisco family values fare when applied to the rest of the nation.
Frankly, I have strong doubts about Barack Obama's capability to lead our nation. I will continue to oppose his policies and prescriptions that seem to oppose to goals of our Founding Fathers. But he is my President-Elect, chosen by my fellow Americans. I disagree with their choices, but I respect their right to make that choice. I won't insult them for their choices, but will instead attempt to be more persuasive in the next election.
In just two short years, in 2010, we'll ask our fellow Americans to consider what an Obama/Pelosi/Reid-led government has accomplished.
Two short years.
I can hardly wait.
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I have never wanted to be so wrong.. As a middle class American, my dream has always been to rise above the middle class to be financially independent. Now it seems that the rest of the nation just wants to be middle class.. Striving for mediocrity is no way to raise families; this debilitates character. I just hope that "Spreading the wealth around" benefits us as much as our fellow Americans have hoped.
Posted by: CliffTex1016 at November 05, 2008 12:08 PM (fNbQW)
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I thought the same looking around the conservative sites I read frequently. The comment sections were not so even keeled, but they were not totally outrageous, and the main posts were congradulatory toward Obama as well as saying they would stand up for the principles they believe in.
I think there is one difference between the right blogsphere and left: we will be less likely to rise up in indignant anger if what the new liberal government does is successful.
Iraq War II is a fine example: they did not want American success there. They preached doom and gloom right up to the point positive gains on the ground grew to such an alarming extent they could no longer do so ---- and then they just shut up about it altogether --- here I'm talking about the liberal media. On the non-official outlets, success in Iraq was still greeted with derision.
The same goes for economic success: when a Republican administration gains it for the society as a whole, we hear nothing but cries of how the wealth gap is growing - the poor getting poor and the rich richer - how the middle class is sinking into poverty, and how things must, must "change."
We will not see that from the right in minority status:
If Obama's trickle up system works --- if it leads to greater prosperity for the society as a whole, if it grows business in America and pushes up the upper class while raising up the lower levels -- just as the trickle down economics grew an economy that helped the nation as a whole -- then conservatives will be happy....
...They will not become more and more angry as the economy grows.
If Obama is successful in foreign policy -- like getting major EU nations to pick up the slack in Afghanistan or Iraq and that shows signs of achieving significant gains, conservatives will not scream bloody murder about it.
Posted by: usinkorea at November 05, 2008 12:38 PM (bI1zB)
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I gotta tell you...I don't know if it makes me a bad person or misguided (or something else) but I really DON'T want Obama to succeed.
I know it means tough times for our country, but if he succeeds with his policies, then every conservative in this country has been wrong, and we just need to throw in the towel.
If he succeeds, I don't see the uprising of true conservatives that this country needs.
I hope he crashes and burns, and all the people who sheepishly supported him will have to recognize the mistake they made.
I think it's the only way this country is going to get back on the rails.
I don't think I'm bitter...I think I'm just being realistic. Last night I felt personally mad at everyone who voted for Obama. I was considering it a personal insult against me and every other person who just wants to keep this country free and prosperous. But I quickly realized that isn't the right attitude. So now, instead of bitter anger, I just feel bad for the people who have been so mislead.
I might not have got the president I wanted, but I at least have the truth. That's priceless.
~T the D
http://thedrunkelephant.blogspot.com/
Posted by: T the D at November 05, 2008 01:38 PM (fEh7/)
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I made this same comment on your previous post, but I will make it again.
I don’t believe we need despair over the current state of affairs. This country survived the Jimmy Carter administration and we will survive Obama’s. Despite his best efforts Carter didn’t destroy the American Dream. And we only had to live through double digit inflation, France-like unemployment, 1% economic growth, an energy crisis and the highest prime interest rate of any President, before or since. Carter never got a second term. Neither will Obama. The American people will realize they have been sold a pipe-dream. And after Jimmy Carter? a 49 state landslide for Ronald Reagan. Maybe this dark cloud has a silver lining after all…
Posted by: Eric at November 05, 2008 02:57 PM (Eg+DG)
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I want Obama to succeed for the sake of our economy, but what I think will happen as his economic policies are tested, is that his socialist illuminati principles won't work in our country. And frankly, that's what needs to happen. I certainly believe in generosity and a form of equality in America, but it is not the government's role to take from us and give to others. If anything the Church needs to exemplify that kind of selfless, un-legislated giving from the heart, and I think we've made strides in that direction in the past several years with Africa and the AIDS crisis. But we haven't yet been moved by the situation at home, possibly because in comparison to other countries, our standard of living is incredibly high.
Posted by: jeanedcrusader at November 05, 2008 03:05 PM (gM6DH)
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Oh, and sorry for piling on, but this is from the comments to the previous post. On your site: "Pardon me for being different -- Obama will never be my president, not now, not ever. My maternal grandparents people were butchered by the same Stalinist goons that are now voting for Obama (Ayers, Dohrn, Klonsky, etc.). Count me in the incorrigible opposition that seeks to see this corrupt Chicago turd ripped to shreds in the next four years."
Yeah, classy.
Posted by: Johnny Coelacanth at November 05, 2008 03:46 PM (saGzJ)
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Obama will be my president. And that sucks.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at November 05, 2008 05:16 PM (R7LgM)
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I think it stinks that Obama won. I think a lot of people in this country are in for a rude shock at what he is going to do and what he is actually like. I'm furious with the liberal media and their bias. After this, I definitely won't buy their newspapers, magazines or watch their pathetic television programs. They did more than anyone else to help get him elected. I hope the American people remember their bias and hold them to account. In regards to your blog Confederate Yankee, I enjoy it greatly and I hope you continue to blog for many years to come. Rock on!
Posted by: Ditto at November 05, 2008 06:52 PM (II5Ad)
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If Obama chooses policies that truly make America more free, more capitalistic, and safer, then I wish him success, just as I wished Clinton success in those policies of his that made America better... like welfare reform.
However, if/when Obama picks policies that take America down the path to socialism, I will oppose him with all my might.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 05, 2008 07:17 PM (PnuiE)
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The One won. Bully for him and his supporters.
However, that does not mean its time to roll over.
The most frightening thing to me that might result from this administration is destroying our victory in Iraq. We are indebted to our brave fighting men and women for their incredible sacrifices and should be eternally grateful for their successes. Throwing them away mocks and demeans the sacrifices in lives we have incurred on what Abraham Lincoln referred to as the "altar of freedom". We owe it to our armed forces and veterans to ensure that does not happen.
Posted by: Teleprompter Messiah at November 05, 2008 08:51 PM (kTFE5)
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if it grows business in America
The left in the USA has always been business hostile, so that's not going to happen. My crew is seriously considering moving our base of corporate operations to Germany. The German's corporate tax structure is vastly more business friendly than the USA, and they don't have this insane adversarial relationship between business and government.
The German government wants to help us succeed, the US government just wants to tax the crap out of us.
Posted by: PA at November 05, 2008 09:21 PM (OqXyp)
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One small quibble there, CY, we don't have a "liberal President elect, a liberal led Congress... we have a marxist president and a socialist congress and house.
Posted by: emdfl at November 06, 2008 12:06 AM (N1uaO)
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As true patriotic Americans... This is OUR DUTY, to deal with, and function. Our Nation is only at stake if we give up. Carter did it wrong, and we elected Reagan. Think about the economy. When election year comes around, "trickle down economics" always works, versus a socialist idea.
Posted by: CliffTex1016 at November 06, 2008 12:46 AM (fNbQW)
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Tuesday, we got crushed by the Liberals. We lost the Presidency and lost seats in both houses of Congress. Obama won and on January 20th, he will be our president. We can blame the media, the economy, the war, the candidates. They raised more money, got out their voters, played rough, loose with the truth but they won. What are we going to do next time?
We need to focus on a single issue. Obama will wreck the economy with taxes and new government spending. In two years, every representative will answer for it. Conservatives should savage the porkers and big spenders.
In any contest, there are rules. If a basketball team finds itself behind in the final minutes, their players commit intentional fouls. Service academies and religious colleges have strict honor codes yet their teams commit intentional fouls. Why? Fouls are tactical and amoral.
In the 2008 election campaign, Liberals played by one set of rules; Conservatives, another. In a perfect world, everyone would do the right thing, but as we saw November 4th, the world in which we live is far from perfect. To win, we must understand the actual rules and exploit them.
There are rules on campaign contributions, voter registration, citizenship, residency, eligibility, ID, etc. These rules, however, are not evenly enforced. If a voting district permits “tactical violations,” we should first try to make them enforce the law. If we fail, we must adjust our tactics to compensate. Today’s political campaigns are rough. Candidates who are unwilling to run under defacto rules sets should refuse nomination.
Conservatives should organize 527s and “community organizers” parallel to MoveOn.org and ACORN. If a Liberal opponent disables the donor information making it impossible to enforce limits on campaign contributions, why should Conservatives just accept this disadvantage? Why should individuals be limited to $2,300 per candidate? It’s a silly, artificial limit. If our opponent exceeds that limit with impunity, why should we not do the same?
If ACORN receives federal funding to register voters and get out the vote, why shouldn’t Conservative Officers For Election Reform (COFER)? If ACORN floods the rolls with registration forms from the Dallas Cowboys, COFER could register the more attractive Cowboy Cheerleaders. If ACORN sends in thugs to intimidate voters, COFER could send in large veterans on Harley-Davidsons to reassure them.
Hopefully, those charged with enforcing election law would do so. If not, we should recognize reality and act accordingly. Please spare me the "high road" lecture.
Posted by: arch at November 06, 2008 06:12 AM (5XVEI)
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Hyde Park, Las Vegas, and San Francisco family values
Oh, goody, more of the ol' "real" America/fake America rhetoric. Sure worked like gangbusters for Palin, didn't it? The North Carolina county where she made her "pro-America parts of America" comment went for Obama by 18 points.
Obama won because he ran in every part of the country with a message aimed at every part of the country. Until you so-called conservatives learn to resist the temptation to pit certain parts of America against the rest of it and then run only in the parts you like better, you will continue to lose, and deservedly so.
Posted by: Doug at November 06, 2008 08:18 AM (cVkxq)
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Until you so-called conservatives learn to resist the temptation to pit certain parts of America against the rest of it
Like pitting the rich against the poor?
Posted by: C-C-G at November 06, 2008 08:34 AM (PnuiE)
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Or black against white or rich against or rich against middle-class or middle class against poor or... Democraps can't live with 'em and can't kill 'em - at least not yet.
Oh, yeah, and did you notice how the one's message changed - depending on what part of the country he was preaching in? Didn't hink so.
Posted by: emdfl at November 06, 2008 09:26 AM (blNMI)
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Doug said:
"Obama won because he ran in every part of the country with a message aimed at every part of the country."
Specifically, what message was that? I must have missed that part. All I heard was "Hope" and "Change". I never heard a coherent plan of what he is going to do.
And it is much easier to run in every part of the counrty when you are not concerned about where the money to pay for it came from.
Posted by: Mikey J at November 06, 2008 12:39 PM (j1ILX)
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emdfl, wasn't it Obama who called Pennsylvanians bitter people, clinging to their guns and so on and so forth? And didn't he say those words thousands of miles away in San Francisco?
Did he ever say those words in Pittsburgh or Philadelphia?
Another great example of pitting certain parts of America against other parts.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 06, 2008 07:11 PM (PnuiE)
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Nope, NOT my President. A stand-in for Bill Ayers whose election was bought and paid for by George Soros. Free elections require a free flow of information; instead, news media suppressed most of the relevant information.
Not only our first Black president (which under other circumstances I would have been excited about), but our first Red president. Red NOT as in "red state" but as in Red state (that's a capital R). Think Cuba, China, Soviet Union.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 07, 2008 01:21 AM (dqf4Z)
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I've quoted you and linked to you here: http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2008/11/re-next.html
Posted by: Consul-At-Arms at November 10, 2008 12:33 AM (IfX3L)
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Obama won because most people are really dumber than they look.
Posted by: tanarg at November 12, 2008 02:05 AM (YF0ut)
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November 04, 2008
Ammo or Alcohol: Election Results
I just rolled in after 12 hours in the car, 9 1/2 behind the wheel. My eyes are glazed and I don't know if I'll have a lot to add to election coverage, but if anything crops up, it will go here.
As for the "ammo or alcohol" crack, that's merely based upon reactions I've heard predicted from the right and left. Conservatives seem to be content to drown their sorrows in the event of an Obama victory, where some nutty liberals have claimed that there will be riots, and that "blood will run in the streets" if Obama's coronation is thwarted by a McCain victory.
Update: Close to home, Kay Hagan defeated Elizabeth Dole in the NC Senate race, according to Fox News. I find it very difficult to feel much sympathy for Dole. She wasn't much to remember.
Update: McCain's dreams of a PA upset seem to be over; just about everyone is calling Pennsylvania for Obama. Clinton-supporting PUMAs appear to have been all growl, no bite.
Update: If the polls are correct in NC and Ohio, and both states go Obama with over 50%, then I think this election is pretty much over.
Update: Ohio goes for Obama, and the math seems to indicate that McCain can't hit the magic number of 270 electoral votes without a major surprise. Congratulations seem to be in order for Barack Obama.
Update: It's over, folks. Please pray for President-Elect Obama, and that he makes the right decisions while in office.
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I'm just looking at blogs now... feeling sick about the early returns and almost regretting that I gave up alcohol sixteen years ago.
Posted by: Hermit at November 04, 2008 08:40 PM (TJMrU)
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please add to the election coverage, I need more lulz!
Posted by: blackfrancis789 at November 04, 2008 08:48 PM (NLG5q)
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Hermit, something that works almost as good is Chick-Fil-A french fries. Drown your sorrows in some crunchy waffle goodness. In case we're wrong and McCain kicks unexpected butt, you'll still need some munchies to watch the liberal illuminati have their looting spree on TV.
Posted by: jeanedcrusader at November 04, 2008 09:03 PM (gM6DH)
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All - lets actually wait until we actually see the votes. Calling PA without a single vote being counted? What the heck is that about?
Posted by: BRD at November 04, 2008 09:14 PM (I0gRc)
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At work, I'm surrounded by Obamaniacs.... but I guess that's the norm for most large school districts. When I left work today, my boss asked what I'd be doing tomorrow on my day off. I told her it depended upon the outcome of the election... either celebrating or going into mourning. She said I should be prepared to wear black until at least Friday. I told her no, I'd be wearing black for the next four years.
I'm hanging in there, hoping these early predictions are wrong. No french fries, though... I made some fried chicken instead.
Posted by: Hermit at November 04, 2008 09:32 PM (TJMrU)
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well, if obama wins lets not be assholes about it like the liberals would be if mccain wins. No matter how much we disagree the president will have been picked by the people, we do live in a democracy after all
Posted by: MAModerate at November 04, 2008 09:34 PM (1XwXF)
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But if Obama wins, we will only be living in a democracy until January 20.
Posted by: Trish at November 04, 2008 10:25 PM (PUq0l)
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Be careful what you wish for; you may get it.
The hordes of Obamamaniacs are about to learn the wisdom of that phrase.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 04, 2008 10:42 PM (PnuiE)
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So when do we get to riot, burn busses, torch police cars, throw rocks and blow up things? What's that? Only the left can use Bill Ayers tactics? Oh... right. Because we all have to go to work tomorrow to earn money to be given to those who empowered Obama.
Yes, I won't riot. But I will strike. Countdown begins now...
Posted by: redherkey at November 04, 2008 11:05 PM (kjqFg)
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Be careful what you wish for; you may get it.
The hordes of Obamamaniacs are about to learn the wisdom of that phrase.
C-C-G,
Something we can agree on. The next few years are going to be hard. Let's hope we can work past our divisions and join together as Americans.
As Churchill said, democracy is a terrible way to run a government, but it's a heck of a lot better than whatever's in second place.
Have a drink and put on the Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want." That's what sustains me in tough elections.
David Terrenoire
Posted by: David Terrenoire at November 04, 2008 11:11 PM (Bx4FB)
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George W. Bush is the last President of the United States of America.
What Obama will create is a crime against humanity.
Posted by: Trish at November 04, 2008 11:20 PM (PUq0l)
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Pardon me for being different -- Obama will never be my president, not now, not ever. My maternal grandparents people were butchered by the same Stalinist goons that are now voting for Obama (Ayers, Dohrn, Klonsky, etc.). Count me in the incorrigible opposition that seeks to see this corrupt Chicago turd ripped to shreds in the next four years.
Posted by: Mescalero at November 04, 2008 11:47 PM (dYHRK)
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"Congratulations seem to be in order for Barack Obama... Please pray for President-Elect Obama..."
CY,
I grew up the liberal kid in rural Alabama and when I read your blog I hear the guys that used to kick my ass. I've done my darndest to give you a hard time over the years. I'm humbled now to realize that you're a better man than I. I couldn't grit my teeth hard enough to say about McCain what you said just now.
I sincerely hope the next administration is a pleasant surprise for you. Who knows, maybe by 2012 you'll see liberalism as merely a usually persistent vegetative state
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My jig is up.
Over and out,
Earl/Lex Steele/Luther Tines/etc
(Incidentally, I was never 'Nunaim' and know nothing about that person.)
Posted by: Red Phantom at November 05, 2008 12:12 AM (EDDm0)
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"and that he makes the right decisions..."
CY,
I think you are tired. Though the MSM tried their best to keep it plugged it was leaking horribly between the seams and from Barack Hussien Obama's own mouth as well as from his pre election life long radical friends. We know his mindset and the lack of experience and the fact that he is just a front for something bigger. Wake up. Now lets see the outcome. The dirty ballot box stuffing tactics and blantant lies at the mic are only the beginning as to how these guys are going to operate as they set to crush the USA. What is not being talked about is his true character and ideology that he purposely hid from the public's eye. All his records, including his birth certificate. Generally the public still doesn't know who this guy is as the MSM kept him hid. All they are hyping to divert attention is that he is black. This is true but give me JC Watts instead not a radical marxist which come in all kinds of colors.
Historical election? YES but not for what they are touting. To hype color is racism but what about his heart and what he believes. They won't be slow about their agenda but I'm suspicious about the MSM continuing their propoganda machine to cover up the goverments actions. They will be hard hitting and overwhelming and subversive. This demagogue didn't run just to boast. The "Fairness Doctrine" is going to be one of the first salvo's launched against freedom of speech and I wonder if they are going to expand it somehow to the internet. CY, I think it would be great that he was just a maverick (liberal light) but wake up. America has just been highjacked. Listen to Jeremiah Wright, listen to William Ayers. This is what this this guy is. Do you think they will laugh that they pulled this off and shrugg off their marxist ideology to just play it straight for the sake of the USA which they hate? They are going to move fast or at least try to. Lord willing, we will stand up and resist peacefully and effectively. Yes CY, let's pray and be sober minded. The atheistic marxists have just taken the White House and have a majority in Congress. The agenda of "Che" has come to town and they don't like dissenters and have an un American way of dealing with them.
Posted by: Tony USA at November 05, 2008 01:38 AM (6IOA4)
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John McCain was gracious - even noble - in his concession speech. Sadly, I do not have his strength of character. I feel certain that Liberty received a mortal blow tonight... and Obama will never be my president Never.
Posted by: Hermit at November 05, 2008 01:43 AM (TJMrU)
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Wild. Obama hasn't done anything as president at this point, but some people won't recognize him.
So, what does that say about your own votes? Really, they only count if you win?
Posted by: dan at November 05, 2008 01:55 AM (hcwth)
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Red Phantom was Lex Steele?
Holy Smokes. I remember him. That guy belongs in a mental hospital. He's pretending to be sane all of a sudden? I don't buy it.
Posted by: brando at November 05, 2008 02:03 AM (7proa)
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Clinton-supporting PUMAs appear to have been all growl, no bite.
That was clear long ago. Even the growl was Larry Johnson holding a damned big megaphone in front of a sleepy purr.
Posted by: Mike at November 05, 2008 02:54 AM (WNui4)
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Please pray for President-Elect Obama
Never.
For the second time in my life the United States has elected a known criminal to the presidency.
He is not my president and never will be. He is vermin.
May he have many failures, no successes, and leave office in four years a broken man.
Posted by: wolfwalker at November 05, 2008 02:58 AM (zpPCd)
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I will pray that America is on the side of God, as I always have and always will, no matter who is President.
Posted by: Adriane at November 05, 2008 05:52 AM (wJlIy)
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I wish President-elect Obama all the best & pray for wisdom & good judgment on his part.
That said, the minute that man touches the military or my civil rights I will go straight from skeptical advocate to raging hellion.
But for now, he has my full support despite my suspicions as to the future.
Posted by: Slveryder at November 05, 2008 06:07 AM (pNRPX)
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Yes, pray for the President-elect, and pray for this fair country of ours - before it becomes the USSA (United Socialist States of America).
Posted by: MikeM at November 05, 2008 07:00 AM (KTOU7)
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Yes, pray for the President-elect, and pray for this fair country of ours - before it becomes the USSA
what's he gonna do ... buy up a bunch of banks and auto manufacturers ? too late for that.
Posted by: Adderol at November 05, 2008 07:54 AM (IRC/t)
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Republicans have got to quit being "nice".
Dems are using negative propaganda against Rs everyday, they need to turn the tables.
Every time an R is interviewed they need to talk about:
* Ds culture of corruption
* Ds deceitfulness
* Ds being unethical
* Ds being power-mad
etc.
And Rs need to polish their brand and not publicly flog people like Lott and Allen for "racist" comments.
When a "macaca" incidence happens, an R politician needs to say it was an "unfortuante" word, but go directly to attacking any and all wrongs by Ds.
This is a political war, and Rs have disarmed.
Posted by: mockmook at November 05, 2008 08:45 AM (kA365)
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Congratulations, mockmook, you are the mirror___ of a typical HuffPo/Kos poster. They KNOW that all "Rs" are corrupt, deceitful, unethical, etc. Just like you know this about all "Ds."
...And mindlessly defending any Republican just because they have that "R" next to their name is one of the reasons they lost in '06 and '08.
Well, that, and spending like drunken sailors, snuggling up to K street, and in general acting like idiots. Why, yes, I am thinking of Ted Stevens right now...
Y'all need to cowboy up, and get over yourselves. You lost an election, not a war.
Posted by: Casey at November 05, 2008 10:07 AM (RJSy/)
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Casey's right. If you have a problem with the results of this election, get out and good riddance. The Republican Party better re-align and figure out some new ideas and approaches because demographically speaking, the next half-century doesn't look to good for it.
Posted by: Dirk Steele at November 05, 2008 10:17 AM (CqQ+1)
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I agree with CY, Casey, and Dirk.
Trish, you and mockmook need to get a very strong grip on yourselves.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at November 05, 2008 10:22 AM (O9Cc8)
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This country survived the Jimmy Carter administration and we will survive Obama’s. Despite his best efforts Carter didn’t destroy the American Dream. And we only had to live through double digit inflation, France-like unemployment, 1% economic growth, an energy crisis and the highest prime interest rate of any President, before or since. Carter never got a second term. Neither will Obama. The American people will realize they have been sold a pipe-dream. On the bright side - who came into office after Jimmy Carter? Maybe this dark cloud has a silver lining after all…
Posted by: Eric at November 05, 2008 10:57 AM (Eg+DG)
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What this represents is a rejection of American exceptionalism by the majority of American voters. Don't be mad at Obama. Be mad at your fellow Americans. We our now, as Johnny Rotten once said regarding the UK, "just another country, another place of tenancy". No better than France or Bangladesh. At least so the majority of Americans believe.
Posted by: Mark in Portland at November 05, 2008 11:51 AM (+45yf)
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I'm 100% with 'Jeanedcrusader('s)' comments !
Don't give Alcohol any of your precious life !!
/sjg
Posted by: Sheila Joyce Gibbs at November 05, 2008 04:38 PM (X7MYY)
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"If you have a problem with the results of this election, get out and good riddance."
Whoa! That's way over the line. You're announcing that if any person doesn't like the results, then they are forced to leave the country, and you'll be glad because they're beneath you?!
Please think about this and understand. Just because your candidate won an election, doesn't mean that you can forcibly drive millions of servicemen out of their counrty. You're wrong to announce that. Police yourself, son.
Posted by: brando at November 05, 2008 05:40 PM (qzOby)
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Mark--You bet I'm mad at them. Don't remember where I read it, but "this was an IQ test for the US and we flunked." Right.
Brando--Right again. Wasn't "America-Love it or Leave it" a phrase that drove the left into a frenzy?
Eric--Sure we survived Carter. I doubt we'll survive Obama. The America of the 1970s is not the America of the oughts. Carter (to his credit) didn't make attempts to silence his opponents even before the election. He didn't personally attack those who disagreed with him. And he didn't take away our means of defending ourselves.
Barack Obama is not Jimmy Carter.
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An I-81 Story
Almost exactly four years after I started CY I find myself once again in Newburgh, NY, where I started this blog. We drove up yesterday on a long-planned trip to visit a friend who recently had a her baby.
As we drove up I-81 in eastern PA, I noticed that every few miles Obama supporters had placed two parallel rows of perhaps 20 signs in each row in the median. This went on for the entire time were were on I-81; I'm not sure how long it went on, but imagine they must have used hundreds, if not thousands of signs, and spent many man-hours deploying these signs in neat, even rows.
To counter all this? A single pair of strategically placed McCain/Palin signs.
My take away?
The Obama campaign and it supporters spent a tremendous amount of time and effort on flash devoid of substance.
If John McCain becomes the President after voting is complete on Tuesday, the wasteful, shallow extravagance in median of I-81 may very well be a fitting metaphor for a Obama political campaign ran precisely the same way.
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If the signs were reversed you would not call it a "wasteful, shallow extravagance." Your bitterness is making you sound unhinged.
Posted by: Red Phantom at November 02, 2008 12:16 PM (9VWJM)
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My question is what right does anybody from either party have to put a sign up for any candidate on public property. put it on your own property or do not put it up at all.
Posted by: David at November 02, 2008 12:22 PM (hBsvM)
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...and on that note. I agree with you CY.
Red Phantom, if the signs were opposite, the comparison would not ring true because McCain's campaign is not a wasteful, shallow extravagance. Obama's is.
Posted by: David at November 02, 2008 12:25 PM (hBsvM)
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How many signs does it take to create an eyesore?
If you are an Obamabot, one, if it's a McCain/Palin sign.
Posted by: GISAP at November 02, 2008 12:49 PM (g5kuC)
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And when John McCain loses on Tuesday, he'll get exacty what he deserves, for running a dishonorable campaign with a joke of a vice-presidential candidate: the tag "loser".
Don't those rows and rows of Obama signs give you a clue as to how many Obama supporters there are, and how many feel that he is, by far, the better choice on Tuesday? The cost of road signs is minimal, but the investment of time by volunteers is immeasurable. McCain signs aren't out there because McCain supporters are much fewer in number and way less enthusiastic in supporting their candidate.
Posted by: diogenes at November 02, 2008 03:16 PM (PMlL4)
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In northeast philly- a blue collar heavily democrat area- there are no Obama signs. There were hundreds for Kerry.
Guess those folks- who under any other circumstance would be voting Dem- perhaps DONT think Obama is the better choice?
Not good for the Dems. When large voting blocks are unenthused about your ticket- not good at all.
LOL
Posted by: TMF at November 02, 2008 03:46 PM (/YM8H)
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New TIPP/IBD poll out.
Obama 47.6 McCain 45.5
Thats alot of undecideds.
Wonder who they'll swing for- the eurosocialist professor with no record or the fighter pilot war hero w/26 years experience?
Posted by: TMF at November 02, 2008 03:49 PM (/YM8H)
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"Don't those rows and rows of Obama signs give you a clue as to how many Obama supporters there are, and how many feel that he is, by far, the better choice on Tuesday?"
No, it gives me a clue that a campaign which raised $600 million, much of it of questionable origin, and could afford those pompous idiotic Greek columns has a few bucks left over to hire people for minimum wage to post those signs.
By the way, I don't know who will win Tuesday or what the margin will be but I will predict this without fear of contradiction:
McCain will get *way* more votes per dollar than Obama.
Posted by: Gary Rosen at November 02, 2008 04:12 PM (mB/JC)
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All those signs make me think that a campaign awash in money can afford to do things like that.
I don't see a groundswell for Obama. Lots of supporters, yes. But not that kind of broad support I sensed for Reagan. But I think everyone sees a man attempting to buy the Presidency and already acting like he was President. I think most Americans believe that Obama has not been vetted or challenged by the press (more for electricity? civilian national security force? Columbia? Medical records? etc., etc.).
I think that such extravagance in Pennsylvania might offend more voters--of the bitter and clingy type--than impress.
Posted by: iconoclast at November 02, 2008 04:56 PM (IDu0G)
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Iconoclast: I agree, particularly with the point that when people see Obama nowadays, everyone sees a man acting as if he is already President, instead of merely a candidate running to become the President.
As George S. Patton famously remarked, "Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser." True, but Americans also despise arrogance, which Obama and his campaign display in truckloads.
Obama Nation: Be prepared for the anti-arrogance, pro-underdog blowback, which will make McCain the winner in this contest.
Posted by: W-K-B at November 02, 2008 05:53 PM (6DvsC)
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Don't those rows and rows of Obama signs give you a clue as to how many Obama supporters there are, and how many feel that he is, by far, the better choice on Tuesday?
If there was something that made me think that each person put up one sign, maybe. However, there's no reason that one or two people couldn't have put up dozens of signs.
Of course, since the Daley Chicago Machine that Obama was trained in specializes in multiple votes per person--not to mention dead people voting--I guess this sort of tactic is right up their alley.
Sorry, you flunked out again on your first post since leaving in disgrace a while back.
Why don't ya go back to wherever you snuck off to last time?
Posted by: C-C-G at November 02, 2008 07:25 PM (sII0T)
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"We drove up yesterday on a long-planned trip to visit a friend who recently had a her baby."
I think those are called 'female'. Just a head's up.
Posted by: Kevin at November 02, 2008 08:45 PM (KO6dP)
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You could probably get away with calling it a 'she baby' too. If you wanted to.
Posted by: Kevin at November 02, 2008 08:46 PM (KO6dP)
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Hey Kev... ainchoo evar spoke to a redneck? as in "She done gone an' had her a baby.." Enuff what with yor colledge edgeamacation... yew just git on back to that there skoolin, and leave the semantics to us there bubba...
Posted by: Big Country at November 02, 2008 09:49 PM (hKGWC)
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Q: How many OBama supporters does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: None. You just hope the bulb will change itself.
Posted by: PA at November 02, 2008 10:37 PM (OqXyp)
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Just curious: what's the difference in your minds as to "lots of Obama supporters" and "a groundswell of support"? Do you not recognize that John McBush hasn't led in a single credible poll since September 25?
I understand that you want to hope against hope (no pun intended) but c'mon, get real. Colorado has turned from deep red to deep blue in a little over two years. Obama's ground troops are running circles around the McBushers. And Colorado isn't alone in that regard.
And C-C-G? I'll look back fondly at racists like you when the results are in -- VERY early on Tuesday. You guys can sit back on the front porch, enjoy your moonshine, and laugh your asses off at the city slickers. But, every now and then, a good education and some politically savvy work will actually beat a buncha good ole boys shooting the bull on a redneck blog.
Enjoy the next eight years, fellas! I will.
Posted by: diogenes at November 03, 2008 12:22 AM (PMlL4)
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All those signs, if they were put up by multiple people, is mostly because his supporters don't work, won't work, you couldn't give them a job in a pie factory. I can almost guarantee the signs will never be removed either unless the state pays for it.
Posted by: tjbbpgob at November 03, 2008 12:26 AM (I4yBD)
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I drove through Idaho/Washington farm country today and I was surprised by the number of Obama signs that I saw. Many more than a few months before, but still fewer than McCain signs. Strangely the Obama signs were often homemade too. This whole area has always been not just safely Republican but exclusively Republican. My guess it is a sign of what is to come on Tuesday.
Posted by: Smarty at November 03, 2008 12:32 AM (44dqm)
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I see that Obama's paid posters are here.
Posted by: LenS at November 03, 2008 02:07 AM (OjH62)
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And out come the expected race baiting libtards...
Posted by: DIAF at November 03, 2008 03:26 AM (M+Vfm)
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An Obama win is starting to look more rather than less likely. I'd like to know what an Obama Presidency would mean for Britons.
Posted by: Curly at November 03, 2008 08:32 AM (fR1IE)
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I'll look back fondly at racists like you when the results are in -- VERY early on Tuesday.
And with that statement, you've shown quite clearly that you have absolutely no comprehension of what's going on.
The polls (not that I trust them) are neck-and-neck, neither candidate has such a commanding lead that it will be over early on Tuesday. Heck, two of the states that McCain and Obama are fighting over are in western time zones...Colorado and Nevada.
All serious political pundits, left and right know that it will be a very long process determining the winner this time. With the multiple investigations into voter fraud this year, it could be weeks or even months before it's truly decided.
Congratulations are in order, tho... you've successfully shown yourself to be even more clueless than I had thought you were.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 03, 2008 08:36 AM (PnuiE)
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Hard to find a Mc Cain sign in NY, even in my neighborhood where O'Rielly lives, somewhere I'm told. But New York is liberal and always will be because of the mass of poor people here and their dependence on government cash in one way or another. I have two sons, one of whom went to a prestigeous Ivy Engineering school,that I paid for, and the other to a state school that he put himself through and where he majored in History. The former has never had a job that wasn't government funded. He is very much a socialist and thinks Obama is a gift to the US because of his intelligence. The other guy has worked since he was 12 in the entertainment industry. He has no job security, has never been paid a dime by the government, buys most of his clothes second hand and never asks me for money. All his friends are mad about Obama and consider him a god like creature. He, however, will vote for McCain. Self reliance and terrorism are his personal issues.They both live in LA but grew up in NY. I can't see Obama being good for the US if he stays on his solid left course. Let's hope the undecides decide for the guy with the fewest signs.
Posted by: mytralman at November 03, 2008 09:30 AM (0mKiN)
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" With the multiple investigations into voter fraud this year, it could be weeks or even months before it's truly decided."
I know of several instances of voter registration fraud, but what examples of voter fraud are you referring too? As they are not remotely in the same category, I would be interested to see links to your alleged statement.
Posted by: tarheel at November 03, 2008 10:59 AM (4USN2)
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You people would be funny if you weren't so sad. Hope you enjoy the next 4 years.
Posted by: Dave Macleod at November 03, 2008 11:08 AM (7of/8)
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The fact is, you liberals should shut up, and stop coming here to harass patriots. Obama is a socialest and hates the USA, that's a fact, he is cheating in the election using ACORN and money from foreingers, if he wins we will go Communist and religion will be outlawed unless you are Islam.
Posted by: Gary Ruppert at November 03, 2008 11:14 AM (U+fuL)
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"But New York is liberal and always will be because of the mass of poor people here and their dependence on government cash in one way or another"
Actually, red states tend to have a much higher gov. aid/fed. tax ratio.
Posted by: socialists and terrorists oh noes! at November 03, 2008 12:18 PM (knmHF)
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"I know of several instances of voter registration fraud, but what examples of voter fraud are you referring too?"
How about the 13 Obama campaign volunteers who illegally registered in Ohio? Some of them cast votes. Even more amusingly, the Obama campaign legal counsel apparently told them it was OK.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 03, 2008 12:30 PM (ZJ/un)
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Hey just back from a jaunt down an Oklahoma Highway, I'll get back to you after I psychoanalyse the the hundreds of McCain signs.
I might psychoanalyze my neighbor too, he has a McCain sign, a blue healer and a bald head. Does that strike anyone else as odd?
Posted by: dBa at November 03, 2008 12:49 PM (1XWfF)
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"Actually, red states tend to have a much higher gov. aid/fed. tax ratio."
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/266.html
Posted by: rapido est mucho at November 03, 2008 12:50 PM (0T6zg)
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W-K-B:
"Obama Nation: Be prepared for the anti-arrogance, pro-underdog blowback, which will make McCain the winner in this contest."
DEFEAT IS VICTORY! LONG LIVE THE VICTORIOUS REPUBLICAN PARTY!
Posted by: Grondo at November 03, 2008 01:23 PM (h7KyL)
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David -- "if the signs were opposite, the comparison would not ring true because McCain's campaign is not a wasteful, shallow extravagance. Obama's is."
No, if the signs were opposite CY would cite them as evidence that McCain is the popular favorite, and that polls to the contrary are a sinister plot from the MSM.
rapido est mucho -- ain't that the dregs? We blue staters pay for the red staters' lunch and they they call us socialists.
Posted by: Red Phantom at November 03, 2008 01:30 PM (NzMe6)
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Looks like the Obamatrons are getting nervous...they always swarm when they're worried. Love the guy who tries to make Obama the choice for the Union side in the Civil War. Can't really see any Union soldier voting for a scumbag who hung out with terrorists for much of his adult life or who went to a "Church" that preached racial hatred. Don't worry, losers the MSM will console you for the next four years - telling you that "McCain stole the election". To the polls, Republicans, PUMAs, America-loving Democrats and all pro-Americans. Let the haters stew in their bile while their Messiah slings back to the Chicago thugocracy that spawned him.
Posted by: Terry Johnson at November 03, 2008 02:40 PM (IT8KW)
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C-C-G: "The polls (not that I trust them) are neck-and-neck"
First, if you don't trust them why cite them? Second, you're flat wrong. Name me one reputable news source that predicts a McCain victory. I'm seeing consistent estimates that Obama will win 350+ electoral votes against 270 needed to win.
Posted by: Red Phantom at November 03, 2008 02:43 PM (NzMe6)
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...and people keep stealing my Obama signs, while leaving untouched, my neighbors' McCain signs. And that is a fitting metaphor for the way Republicans view dissenting views. I certainly don't mind contributing another $10 to the Obama campaign every time one of my signs needs replacing, though!
Posted by: Anecdata at November 03, 2008 03:11 PM (+dx2l)
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Dear wingnuts,
Thank you for the laughs. Please keep it up.
Luv,
me
Posted by: brad at November 03, 2008 03:38 PM (Nk2US)
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Obama will give America its soul back! With, I hope, a healthy helping of funk on the side. But we will have to keep Obama up to the mark! Join me in insisting that only the most revered and noted Jazz artists are placed on our currency. No fly-by-night rap stars! I want Louis Armstrong on the thousand dollar bill! Duke Ellington on the Hundred! Anyway, I'll be setting up a website, and you can all vote for your favorites. This is going to be a glorious time for all who lover and revere America's great melding of European and African musical traditions into something unique, which has captured the whole worlds attention and affection.
Should both all Marsalis brothers be in the Cabinet? So much to decide.
Posted by: Mooser at November 03, 2008 03:57 PM (amXwx)
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Smell the desperation from those who want more Bush type failure. Gary Rupert is the reason that the rest of the world is aghast at what one of the most blessed countries has come to. Wingnuts have nothing to offer but fear, this has to be the worst campaign the right has ever run. Until the GOP stops pandering to the Gary Ruperts (Sarah Palins long lost uncle?) they will never have any credibility.
Posted by: yoyo at November 03, 2008 04:01 PM (x9zs3)
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This is an example of being for something usually trumps being against something..
Kerry lost in 2004 not because of weirdness in Ohio.
Kerry lost because many of those who voted for him..were not for HIM..they were just anti-Bush.
That was not enough.
Obama won the election with his win in white people Iowa Primary. Edwards and Hillary were set. They did not lose because Iowa was anti-Clinton..anti-Edwards. Obama won because more folks were for Obama.
Memories are too short if folks do not remember the "McCain is too liberal" rants coming from talk radio and Fox during the summer of 2007.
Memories are too short if folks forget that every Democratic Primary set records on votes..
A few questions for registered Republicans.
How many times has someone from the McCain campaign knocked on your door?
How many calls from a real person from the McCain campaign called you asking if you want to help out?...Are you voting early? Do you know where to vote?
Are you voting/or have voted because of your belief in McCain or your disbelief in Obama?
"It's the line stupid!"
Based upon the Primaries and the current state of our nation,;it is reasonable to assume record lines for voting. How many of the wishy-washy undecided will wait in a line for hours to vote?
How many McCain/Palin supporters will wait in line after
VA..NC,,and IN go for McCain/Palin?
I can tell you..those voting for Obama in AK will still vote...
The outcome of this election is simple..
Being against Obama without a passion for your candidate will not be enough.
Tomorrow night..many Americans will be dancing in the streets..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WW3BQH0ir8
Posted by: nogopostal at November 03, 2008 04:04 PM (JL9w0)
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I voted for Obama six times, and I followed my wife around and harangued her until she voted for Obama four times. Hell, if Obama wins, I'm giving him my wife. "Here man, take her" I will say, "She's a wonderful girl and may she do you as much good as she's done me!" Which is a lot, I'll have you guys know. I treasure that woman, and if I wasn't so sure Obama is the one, I'd never let 'er go. "Treat her nice, Barack" I'd say, "She'll be your number two wife in no time, and ask her to make her peach cobbler for you. It is dyn-o-mite!"
Posted by: Mooser at November 03, 2008 04:07 PM (amXwx)
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Keep Dreaming Obama-fans. There's no way the American people are going to vote this inexperienced novice in just because it will make white liberals feel good about themselves. Even the biased MSM polls have Obama only just ahead and everyone knows the Republicans make up ground on the final day. Be prepared for lots of rioting and sobbing in the streets when Obama's bubble finally bursts tomorrow.
And what is sad is that if Hilary had got the nomination and not been robbed, this election would have been her's in a landslide...
Posted by: Rick Sheffield at November 03, 2008 05:09 PM (IT8KW)
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Red, thanks for proving that you don't comprehend what I write.
I didn't say any polls had McCain winning, I said they were neck-and-neck. In many battleground states the Obama lead is within the margin of error, therefore, mathematically, it's a dead heat.
Let's also remember in 2004 the polls gave Kerry about a 5 point lead. We all know how that one turned out, don't we? And, given that we know Obama has underperformed at least one poll by 8 points in the primaries (NH), I'd say that anything under about 10 points could (not will, mind you, but could) still swing McCain.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 03, 2008 08:01 PM (PnuiE)
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After Obama wins in a landslide I can't wait to come back and point out birdbrained comments like these.
Posted by: richard at November 03, 2008 08:01 PM (E7gP3)
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Suppose Obama doesn't win? Then what will you do?
Posted by: PA at November 03, 2008 08:06 PM (OqXyp)
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PA, he'll never be seen here again.
Richard, three words for ya: "Dewey Defeats Truman."
Posted by: C-C-G at November 03, 2008 08:41 PM (PnuiE)
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C-G-G,
I hope you are right. What polls are you referring to?
Rasumssen has McCain down by 6, WSJ says by 8, Marist down by 9, GQR by 7, FOX by 7, CBS/NYT by 9, ABC/Post by 9. I haven't found any other polls but I assume you must have to say things are neck and neck. Please reply so I can "hope" a little.
Posted by: Smarty at November 03, 2008 09:06 PM (Dvtem)
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Sorry, I was using yesterday's data... at the time I posted the original comment today's data wasn't out, and I've just now completed my review of what today's results are.
IBD/TIPP had McCain down 2.1 with a 3 to 4 point margin of error (data here), just for a start.
Also, you might wanna peruse an old GOP hand's (who goes by the pseudonym "Obi Wan") commentary here.
Now, I freely admit we might have a President Obama. But the polls so far are not justifying either side picking out the drapes for the White House yet, and the cockiness of the Obamabots annoys me.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 03, 2008 09:29 PM (PnuiE)
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By the way, if anyone wonders about the political background of Obi Wan, whom I mentioned before, see this post. Here's a summary:
an individual who had been involved in the highest levels of GOP politics for longer than I have been alive.
He's a wise old Jedi Master of politics, and what he says should not be discounted lightly.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 03, 2008 09:48 PM (PnuiE)
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I remember Dio. He's the dusk-orb guy. He's a fool.
Posted by: brando at November 03, 2008 10:18 PM (7proa)
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C-C-G --
"I didn't say any polls had McCain winning, I said they were neck-and-neck. In many battleground states the Obama lead is within the margin of error, therefore, mathematically, it's a dead heat."
I have a couple of questions for you. One, why cite polls you don't trust? Two, can you name a reputable news source that doesn't predict an Obama victory? (No, "Obi Wan" doesn't count.)
As your friend Smarty pointed out, the IBD poll you mentioned is an outlier. How revealing that it is the one you trust.
"He's a wise old Jedi Master of politics, and what he says should not be discounted lightly." We agree on something after all! People who name themselves after children's movie characters shouldn't be discounted lightly, but with prejudice. Whoops, maybe you don't know what 'discounted' means so my joke is lost on you. Perhaps you ought to stick with your Star Wars figures.
Posted by: Red Phantom at November 03, 2008 10:22 PM (NzMe6)
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I wish everyone would just get their hostility out during these last 24 hours. But after the election, everyone will be back to harass and humiliate each other more, to point out previous birdbrained comments and to say "I told you so." Unfortunately the election won't change anything for those who are dead set on blaming the opposing party for all the evil in the world. I am just wondering who will have the best excuses and rationalizations--the die-hard conservatives or the lefty illuminati?
Posted by: jeanedcrusader at November 04, 2008 12:02 AM (gM6DH)
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People, go out tomorrow and vote. Rain, sleet, snow or blazing sunshine just go out and vote. It's a God given liberty we have enjoyed for over two centuries. Yes believe it or not we are a nation with many enemies who would love to see us go down not just now but in decades past. The atheistic marxists have been hard at work legally and illegally to highjack this election. It's the only way to get themselves into power and I mean total power. Its not to give the USA a "makeover" but a death sentence by lethal injection of changing laws and regulations to destroy her as she stands. Barack Hussien Obama the radical marxist is not alone. He has many friends whom we know are our enemies. Marxists operate and feed on the welfare class. They preach and teach victimology to stir the masses and cry "REVOLUTION!" or in this case "CHANGE! They promote class warfare, racism and point the finger to their opposition declaring blatant lies of their intentions but in reality its their own. They don't care really about John Doe in the welfare class because in reality they want crush liberty, capitalism, the right to bare arms and destroy the middle class if not economically then literally by death. They want everyone except themselves to be the "welfare class" subject to "THE STATE". What we've witnessed in this election is stunning as the MSM became a propoganda machine for this demagogue. No longer investigative and reporting but promoting and destroying. Do you really know by the MSM who Barack Hussien Obama is?? The free radio and internet started to dig and the truth began to spill out despite the MSM's silence. There is still so much to find out. GO VOTE! Don't listen to the hype and intimidation. The USA IS under seige and has been. Barack Hussien Obama is the most deft 9/11 attack this marxists thugs and jihadists have executed to this point. Highjack our own planes and make them into flying bombs is one thing but now highjack our own Whitehouse and goverment and bring our nation down like the twin towers starting from the top is another. People wake up, don't sulk but go vote. Even on other "right wing", "conservative" blogs you'll find people writing articles that are see through "dope" to bring you down and out of the foray. Don't bite and go vote this marxist radical out of contention and hopefully out in the open for everyone to see what he and his cohorts are, domestic terrorists.
Posted by: TonyUSA at November 04, 2008 12:36 AM (6IOA4)
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TonyUSA,
By equating obama to 9/11 terrorists you make Republicans look bad. Obama and you share something in common: you are both idiots. Jihadists and Marxists don't tend to like each other (soviet war in Afghanistan). Vote Republican, but please unplug your keyboard and close your mouth.
Posted by: Smarty at November 04, 2008 01:31 AM (5ZrV1)
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I agree with Smarty.
I am pretty nervious about tomorrow. If we do lose, I hope we can reorganize with less religious right power. This whole anti-intellectual thing is getting pretty annoying. Palin needs to ride her moose back to Alaska and stay there.
Posted by: RepubliCon at November 04, 2008 01:35 AM (6N1pu)
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"We agree on something after all! People who name themselves after children's movie characters shouldn't be discounted lightly, but with prejudice. Whoops, maybe you don't know what 'discounted' means so my joke is lost on you. Perhaps you ought to stick with your Star Wars figures."
This from someone with the screen name red phantom. roflmao
Posted by: Todd at November 04, 2008 01:39 AM (acDUM)
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If obama does win, and my guess is he will. I will predict that he actually reaches out across the isle. I think we will all like him a lot more than Clinton.
Posted by: Slippery at November 04, 2008 03:07 AM (6N1pu)
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Not to sound like a defeatist, but I am preparing myself for an Obama victory. It won't be pretty, but we lived through Jimmy Carter (albiet with double digit inflation, massive unemployment, 1% economic growth, an energy crisis and the highest prime interest rate of any president before or since), but after 4 years of Carter, Americans realized they had been sold a pipe-dream and they were actually worse off than they were before. Carter never got a second term. Neither will Obama. And who came after Carter? Maybe this dark Obama cloud does have a silver lining...
Posted by: Eric at November 04, 2008 10:12 AM (Eg+DG)
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CY, my first thought was what a shame defacing such a beautiful stretch of road. Then I realized I was thinking of I-84 out of Scranton, not I-81 into.
Posted by: bains at November 04, 2008 11:30 AM (35xGw)
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Excellent observation!
I personally find the amount of money spent and the devoted Obama followers to be more than just slightly concerning.
I can't imagine four years of that...
Here's to hoping we'll never have to know what that would be like!
~T the D
http://thedrunkelephant.blogspot.com/
Posted by: T the D at November 04, 2008 01:19 PM (fEh7/)
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Excellent point. Similar to my reading of the difference between the profligacy of Obama's outlay of tens of thousands on those unwatchable 30-minute infomercials vs. McCain's fiscal discipline in making use of a limited amount of free air time of punchy material on SNLs faux QVC shopping channel:
"You can't go wrong with McCain Fine Gold"
Posted by: Sissy Willis at November 04, 2008 07:20 PM (cdtTx)
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I agree with Slippery. If obama wins and that is IF, I think he will be a lot better then B. Clinton.
Posted by: Mouse at November 04, 2008 07:37 PM (uueXK)
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Obama's Illegal Alien Aunt
Oh, my word:
Turns out Aunti Zeituni Onyango, one of Democrat presidential candidate Barack Obama’s many relatives made famous in his memoir, is an illegal alien. And not just a run-of-the-mill illegal alien on welfare.
She’s one of the hundreds of thousands of deportation fugitives — absconders – whom I’ve been reporting on for the past six years. After 9/11, the government vowed to crack down on absconders. They’ve failed abysmally.
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Obama’s estranged father’s half sister loves the US so much she wants to stay in poverty?
Outrageous.
Palin’s HUSBAND hates the US so much he is a member and supporter of the Alaskan separation group.
Maverick.
Posted by: Matt at November 01, 2008 05:49 AM (VhZdt)
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Michelle gave facts with an abundance of links to an obscene injustice. You Matt, provide the standard argument we've come to expect from Marxist supporters.
Posted by: ken anthony at November 01, 2008 07:21 AM (4dHG5)
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Deport Her now, or can the rest of us American's bend the law into what ever we want it to be
Posted by: Eagle Eye at November 01, 2008 07:46 AM (rTeTT)
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ok, so what is the point?
is the point she is illegal since 2004 and the republican administration has done nothing?
Posted by: crshedd at November 01, 2008 08:03 AM (hZUpz)
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Palin’s HUSBAND hates the US so much he is a member and supporter of the Alaskan separation group.
Got any facts to back that up, Sport?
I thought not.....
Typical liberal BS.
Posted by: 1sttofight at November 01, 2008 08:42 AM (WNzrw)
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Such interesting comments.
-Mr. Palin isn't running for office (but Sen. Obama who has so many ties to people and organizations that hate or have actually bombed America does).
- The Democratic CONGRESS hasn't done squat in the last 2 years of power (not that the Republican Congress didn't spend like a drunken sailor...they get just as much blame). The President doesn't make law....CONGRESS DOES.....direct your efforts at voting out incumbants...but hey I digress.
Sen. Obama is incapable of caring for his own family members, but sure has no problem taking taxpayers money and giving it to non-taxpayers. Oh and the Aunt living illegally in city funded (taxpayer) housing....nice!
Posted by: TH at November 01, 2008 08:46 AM (EKIlJ)
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My question, "How can an illegal alien work
with Experience Works an organization that is paid with government funds? What documents could she given them for identification and income? This program is federally funded by grants and allows people to work 20 hours a week at minimum wage. How can our government allow our tax dollars to be given to non-citizens for work/volunteer at a local agency at a time when many American citizens are unemployed and could utilize the minimum wage given away to the non-citizen?
I
Posted by: Lenora at November 01, 2008 09:23 AM (/Y6+p)
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And according to the Times of London article, she has donated to Sen. Obama's campaign, using the Housing Authority address.
Posted by: Roberta at November 01, 2008 09:43 AM (jqm25)
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As a Frenchman, I must warn you that if you do not vote for Obama then the minorities will rise up and loot your homes and businesses and burn your towns.
Posted by: Jacques Landiss at November 01, 2008 09:57 AM (1hv7S)
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As an American, I'll remind the French that America has learned not to take advice from them, not after WWI, WWII, Viet Nam, and the African shitholes the French have created with their colonialism. America does not love a communist the way the French do. As for Obama's minorities coming to my house to do harm, we have body bags to remove them after the welcoming party. Tea anyone?
Posted by: twolaneflash at November 01, 2008 11:08 AM (05dZx)
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Not to mention that unlike the French, we have guns, and aim to use them in a SHTF scenario.
The LA riots were stopped with Korean Immigrants using guns. I'm half Korean, and armed.
Posted by: Chaz at November 01, 2008 11:19 AM (LCuJO)
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Obama makes mention of this same aunt in one of his books. How and where does he know aunt Zeituni? Was it from an early childhood in Kenya? What does aunt Zeituni know of Barrack Obama's life and perhaps birth in Kenya? Since Obama has yet to show a "legitimate" certificate of birth these are questions that aunt Zeituni should be asked.
Barrack Hussein Obama may not be qualified to hold office as President of the United States and could also be an illegal alien? If found out, would it be able to deport Obama with his Zeituni?
Now watch as the Obama campaign's 24-hour a day, Internet flying goon squad boilerplate bash these questions and this poster too.
Posted by: J. Zerga at November 01, 2008 11:19 AM (uPhv3)
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is the point she is illegal since 2004 and the republican administration has done nothing?
True.
However, conservatives like myself have vocally disagreed with the current Administration about immigration policy for years.
Once again, you provide a great opportunity to point out that we on the right are willing to admit that our elected officials have flaws, and make mistakes. You on the left are not.
Thanks for opening your mouth and inserting your foot. Did ya learn that from Joe "FDR on TV in 1929" Biden?
Posted by: C-C-G at November 01, 2008 12:16 PM (sII0T)
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And she is being protected by Bush from deportation.
Posted by: Federale at November 01, 2008 01:57 PM (arbSw)
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Okay, Federale, you convinced me.
I won't vote for Bush for President in this election!
Aren't you proud of yourself now?
Posted by: C-C-G at November 01, 2008 03:57 PM (sII0T)
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Postal, when McCain/Palin win, and you /wrists yourself, please do us the favor of videotaping it all, and getting it published to youtube.
thanks.
Posted by: DIAF at November 01, 2008 05:16 PM (M+Vfm)
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Of course the government failed... but the failure at hand is the one of the MSM to uncover this information earlier. I know the deportation fugitives aren't an easily solved problem, but I think fair and deep coverage of a presidential candidate is. I blame the liberal illuminati agenda for this caveat coming to light just days before the election.
Posted by: jeanedcrusader at November 01, 2008 06:10 PM (gM6DH)
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the minorities will rise up and loot your homes and businesses and burn your towns
Typically, they just wreck their own neighborhoods. To wander too far outside one risks getting shot.
Posted by: PA at November 01, 2008 07:17 PM (OqXyp)
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Interesting how Obama supporters are desperately trying to change the subject and lay the blame elsewhere. the point is not that the U.S. govt, didn't make sure she was deported, it's that she was living in taxpayer subsidized public housing for years, that Obama knew of her presence here in the U.S., that he didn't look out for her welfare, that he couldn't care less what happened to this woman, but yet he "used" her when convenient in his sappy memoir that he made money off of, and most important of all, that he sanctimoniously preaches that we all spread the wealth around, and not act selfishly. Typical limousine liberal.
Posted by: AVM at November 01, 2008 07:37 PM (lVVvj)
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I, for one, will welcome a President who can consistently use sentences with subject/verb agreement....
Apparently you have never heard him try to talk without a teleprompter.
Posted by: 1sttofight at November 01, 2008 07:46 PM (WNzrw)
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Ladies and gentlemen:
Nogo is a troll from way back. He's been banned for life from at least one other blog I know of--Wizbang--and Wizbang is quite tolerant, even offering lefties their own area, called Wizbang Blue.
The best thing to do with his rants is to ignore them, and him. He'll eventually get bored and leave.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 01, 2008 07:57 PM (sII0T)
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Why isn't Goon Squad insulted by the implication that minorities are so violent that they will loot and burn rather than accept Obama defeat like civilized adults? That to me is more offensive than any talk about guns.
Posted by: May at November 01, 2008 09:05 PM (qBtUc)
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Hey Goon Squad- in case you havent watched the news for the last 5 years- The only people getting shot by gang bangers are mostly innocent bystanders- and the only people being shot by law abiding ccw holders are criminals...
On another note- if this were anyone besides Barry O- as soon as that book came out some reporter would have found this out in a day! Ie Joe the Plumber. But since it is Barry he gets a pass and this will probably never come out on TV.
Posted by: Scott at November 01, 2008 09:12 PM (D05sB)
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The real scandal here is that Obama has close relatives living in poverty. Obama doesn't really seem to be interested in help. One can only speculate about this at this point. I do wish that before Obama takes off with my wealth to redistribute it, that he would lead by example and distribute his own wealth. At least then I'd know he cares.
http://rightklik.blogspot.com/
Posted by: Jason at November 02, 2008 05:43 AM (sQ3gH)
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Obama was not born in Hawaii. So therefore he should be deported. His aunt should be deported. Joe Biden is an idiot. Neither has served in the military. What a couple of bums.
Posted by: Jay Gray at November 02, 2008 09:54 AM (su53X)
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"Palin’s HUSBAND hates the US so much he is a member and supporter of the Alaskan separation group."
"Got any facts to back that up, Sport?"
Google "todd palin separatist movement". He was registered in the Alaska Separatist Party until 2002. He's anti-American!
Posted by: Red Phantom at November 02, 2008 12:21 PM (9VWJM)
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Red, I note two words... "until 2002." Therefore you cannot say he is a member. He may have been at one time, but you yourself have admitted he is no longer.
In short, you just shot yourself in the foot. Congratulations.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 02, 2008 03:02 PM (sII0T)
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Not even an illegal alien, the aunt is a step beyond that. She's a fugitive alien! That is, she's an alien who's permission to be in the US has been denied by a judge.
Posted by: Arthur at November 02, 2008 07:56 PM (YOV0p)
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"Red, I note two words... 'until 2002.' Therefore you cannot say he is a member. He may have been at one time, but you yourself have admitted he is no longer. In short, you just shot yourself in the foot. Congratulations."
It's pathetic that you feel like you're scoring points.
As you know, the point is that his association with that group was unAmerican. How much more contempt could he show for the US? If you're okay with it, that's your sorry business, but call it what it is.
Posted by: Red Phantom at November 02, 2008 09:20 PM (+VaBE)
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Phantom:
You have NO clue as to what you lefties dream of... throughout history it's been proven again and again that those who dream socialist dreams are usually the first put against the wall when it comes time to execute the 'Bourgeois' of whatever curreent neo-socialist movement that went on...
Its too funny that Ayers and his kind seemed to ignore... well granted they blindly went with the idea that 'revolution' and 'change' might have some issues that they themselves either were unable or unwilling to examine... the fact remains that Stalin refered to losers like Obama and Ayers and that entire psuedointellectual group of malajusted retards as "Useful Idiots" who, when the time was right, were eliminated with extreme prejudice thusly eliminating another group of 'proles.'
The scary part is that in instituting a 'socialist' model, a certain amount of bloodshed is needed. Not since 1865 +/- have we had a true 'civil war' and yet the Dems and Libtards are and have ACTIVELY been threatening a 'race war' over this, and the Obamamessiah has YET to step down from his 'heavenly embrace' and tell them to sit the F down and shut the F up.
The sad reality is that the college students that are so actively trying to get this socialist into power don't understand, that from his point of view, is that THEY are the enemy of which he speaks... that being the majority being white, educated, and 'priviledged' in being in college and being able to afford it. These are the first group, that come the success of 'change' are the first put against the wall, or shoved into the ovens and camps.
The Obamamessiahs OBVIOUS and INTENTIONAL ignoring of his family memebers in plight do not bode well for the rest of America... after all, if he doesn't give a sh*t about his own flesh and blood, and is willing to let them 'swing in the breeze' so to speak, then how, exactly, is he going to care for you and yours?
Scary Reality isn't it?
Posted by: Big Country at November 02, 2008 10:05 PM (hKGWC)
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OH PLEASE DEPORT HER AND THE BIMBO BORN IN KENYA, LETS KEEP AMERICA ALIVE!! GO JOHNNY GO !
Posted by: gord at November 02, 2008 11:09 PM (WDxb4)
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Big Country -- "You have NO clue as to what you lefties dream of..."
... and it just goes downhill from there. I'm not sure why you addressed that rant to me.
Socialism is, by definition, state ownership of the means of production. For instance, our government recently buying a piece of the banking system was socialist. Obama has proposed nothing of this sort.
Obama wants the wealthy to pay more tax. That has nothing to do with socialism. Look it up. It's okay to disagree with him, but don't call it socialism.
Posted by: Red Phantom at November 03, 2008 12:42 AM (DGY4/)
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I will lay 90 percent of the blame at the feet of the mainstream media. If they would have done reports of Obama showing some of his years in college, his time at the Harvard Law Review, a small amount of true facts about his beliefs, and a short list of some of his criminal friends, this election would be much different. I personally don't believe he is even remotely qualified to be President. This is a good time to buy gold and pray.
Posted by: Patriot at November 03, 2008 12:48 AM (c90M5)
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Red Phantom: Point well taken on the Government getting into the banking system and you're right. We've been steadily inching towards a socialistic society for quite some time. Proof positive is that the "Conservative" nominee is responsible for the abomination of McCain/Feingold, agrees with the bailout, and is trying to "out Democrat" the Democrat on many social issues by big government answers. The Government officials feel quite comfortable telling taxpayers what to eat, what to smoke, how to run businesses, what to teach, who gets what and when, and it goes on and on and it has penalties for each and every one of them. "If it walks like a duck...." I live from paycheck to paycheck but even I realize that I use the roads, bridges, military, federal law enforcement, tourist attractions, and so on that the rich already pay for. I want them to get richer so they can give me work so I can get rich and when a politician wants to "spread their wealth" more than they already do (over 86% of all taxes)and give it to someone who pays nothing then that's a socialist. It is in essence: redistribution and that's the socialist mantra and using the government to do it is no different than Cuba or Venezuela except they don't disguise it.
Posted by: Dave B at November 03, 2008 04:24 AM (IBEak)
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How much more contempt could he show for the US?
Oh, I dunno, he could have sat for twenty years in a church where the pastor screamed "God D**n America!" and stayed there until just this year.
Todd left that party six years ago. He clearly didn't do it in preparation for--or in response to--his wife's elevation to the national stage. On the other hand, Barack Wright Obama stayed in that church until it became politically inconvenient for him to do so.
I think it's time for you to stop and change the air in your head.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 03, 2008 08:18 AM (PnuiE)
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Red:
Obama wants the wealthy to pay more tax. That has nothing to do with socialism. Look it up.
Look up who said "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
You've just proven your idiocy again. Don't you get tired of being shown that you have no idea what you're talking about?
Posted by: C-C-G at November 03, 2008 08:39 AM (PnuiE)
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"... and it just goes downhill from there. I'm not sure why you addressed that rant to me."
Well, lets see. You didn't touch NOT ONE of my points that its the useful idjits like yourself, who filled with the promise of "Hopechangeyness" and a desperate derangement against the Bush League will be among the first group 'sorted out' after having disposed of the hated right wing. As the old mantra "First the came for the ___" and all that. The thing is socialism is flat out using governmental force to place pressure by whatever means to accomplish whatever mission it deems necessary.
"Socialism is, by definition, state ownership of the means of production. For instance, our government recently buying a piece of the banking system was socialist. Obama has proposed nothing of this sort."
The Obamamessiah most certainly DID assist with the odious legislation. He may not have thought of it, but he sure as hell insured that it would pass second time around.
"Obama wants the wealthy to pay more tax. That has nothing to do with socialism. Look it up. It's okay to disagree with him, but don't call it socialism."
I'll leave C-C-G's fantastic response stand on this addled quote. I still leave it to you: Why is it those who would lose the most support the one candidate who both by action and spoken word has sworn to destroy if not eliminate the very things that provide a good living to them?
Its like the threatened 'riots' that have been promised in minority communities... the deranged poor people in those areas never seem to run out to a middle class or upper class nieghborhood and burn it... they just burn their pitiful dwellings to the ground and then expect those very same people they were 'protesting' to rebuild and furnish those same dwellings, although how burning your own stuff and destroying your dwelling constitutes a protest against "the man" is something that is beyond me....
Posted by: Big Country at November 03, 2008 08:54 AM (hKGWC)
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C-C-G: "he could have sat for twenty years in a church where the pastor screamed 'God D**n America!'"
Read the text of the speech, it's all about the role of blacks in this country and how they've faired under various presidents. "G-D America" is a statement of frustration about what he sees as injustice towards blacks and even Japanese during WWII. There's a huge difference between criticism and anti-Americanism. If you think the the speech is wrong, fine. It's dumb to infer that Obama is anti-American based on remarks his spiritual advisor made about race.
Obama's a constitutional scholar. He's a classic American success story. He could have been very rich right out of law school but instead worked towards what he sees as improving the nation.
On the other hand, Todd Palin joining the Alaskan Separatist Party is traitorous. If you don't love this country, get out. If he's repented I haven't heard about it.
"Look up who said 'From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.'"
Socialism is by definition the collective ownership of the means of production. You can argue about this until you are blue in the face, but that's what the dictionary and every econ 101 class says.
Most presidents make changes to the tax code, and each such change redistributes wealth. Everyone making under $250,000 gets a tax cut under Obama, whereas McCain wants to extend Bush's tax cuts on the wealthy. Both redistribute wealth, neither is socialism.
Big Country -- "You didn't touch NOT ONE of my points... " I didn't touch not one of your points? To be frank, I can't understand parts of your posts. Riots? Sorting people out?
"The thing is socialism is flat out using governmental force to place pressure by whatever means to accomplish whatever mission it deems necessary."
No, socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production. It has always meant that. Your side uses it as a vague slur against Obama but it makes no sense. I don't know what your problem with Obama is exactly, but he's a capitalist just like everyone else. I've never even met a socialist. It's a dying movement.
"The Obamamessiah most certainly DID assist with the odious legislation [the bank bailout]"
Fair enough. I didn't like it either, but as they say there are no atheists in foxholes and no libertarians in a financial crisis. I guess if I were a politician and I was convinced that a systemic financial meltdown was at hand I'd have done the same thing. I'd be much happier if the bill eliminated bonuses for all executives that received the bailout.
Posted by: Red Phantom at November 03, 2008 01:21 PM (NzMe6)
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Hey..I understand your frustration..
After 2004 I shouted out.."How can you idiots have voted for Bush!"
All you can do is what I (we) did. Don't give up.
Realize you did not give enough personal time the last time. Find candidates you believe in and put your feet on the ground and make calls.
In 2010 your personal effort that you did not make this time can be the difference...
If as individuals, we are not willing to put our own personal effort(voting and signs in our yard do not count)then we truly don't believe in what we say we believe in..
(That is why Bush won in 2004 and Obama will win this time)
Posted by: nogopostal at November 03, 2008 04:28 PM (JL9w0)
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CCG
Yep I banned from wizbang..
for years I respected Jay Tea as a Libertarian with a sense of humor..I took exception to a clearly racist remak...
Just for the record.. CCG..under what name do you post at wizbang?
What is a troll?
Is a blog like that secret club we had has kids?
Can't we be mature enough to hear criticism?
Aren't we confident and well versed enough..that when someone(like me) shows up..I can be refuted
by reason?
..side bet..
I will wager if Obama gets less than 320 EV I will donate $50 to the RNC...If he gets more,; the person making the bet donates $50 to the DNC...
one thing we can agree on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqUipinDyw
Posted by: nogopostal at November 03, 2008 05:14 PM (JL9w0)
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Red, apparently you don't care what the creator of Socialism had to say about it.
You've got your mind made up, and are deliberately ignoring the facts.
Except for using you as a cat-toy occasionally, I am done trying to have a reasonable discussion with you.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 03, 2008 08:03 PM (PnuiE)
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CCG: "apparently you don't care what the creator of Socialism had to say about it. You've got your mind made up, and are deliberately ignoring the facts."
Socialism is "the collective ownership of the means of production" and now you know it too. You've effectively ceded the point. Time's up. Back to the Star Wars figurines for you young man.
Posted by: Red Phantom at November 03, 2008 10:33 PM (NzMe6)
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October 31, 2008
Paint This One Purple
Polls show a tightening race as we enter the last days of the campaign, and I'm becoming ever more convinced that the American people are going to dodge a bullet and elect John McCain as President of the United States.
Before going to the polls, Americans are going to closely look at Barack Obama's empty rhetoric, weigh it against his too-brief résumé and choice of extremist allies, and decide that he simply isn't ready for office. Indeed, America may never be ready to give up on our way of life for the miserable shackles of statism that he promises.
John McCain is not an ideal candidate for many Americans. He's too much of a moderate for conservatives. He's too much of a conservative for liberals. He won't make either extreme happy. But for those Americans who don't live and breathe politics, and who want a President to keep us safe and keep an always hungry government from getting in the way of our drive to succeed, he is by far the best option we have in this election.
John McCain has dedicated a lifetime of service to this nation, and asks us if he can dedicate four more years. He doesn't demand it. He doesn't assume that he is owed it. He is simply asking us to vote for him.
I did, on a split ticket.
A lot of other Americans from both major parties will do the same, along with many moderates. Why?
A moderate Republican President will be the only balance we have to a House and Senate controlled by the far left.
If America chose to elect Barack Obama, they'll be electing a man that the
National Journal ranked as the most extreme Senator in office, to left of even Vermont's Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders.
Elevated from one of the most unpopular Congresses in American history, a President Obama would rubber-stamp the decisions of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Are you ready for an America led by San Francisco, Las Vegas, and Hyde Park values?
Americans need John McCain as President, because what is best for America is a
balanced government, neither red, nor blue, but overall, purple.
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Wishful thinking on your part, I'm afraid, driven by the common mistake of thinking other people pay attention and view the issues as you do (for instance, most voters couldn't tell you, nor would they care, that Obama was ranked the most liberal).
There is no evidence that voters are going to closely look at Obama, nor any reason to think that those who do will react negatively. Neither is there a reason to think that voters consider McCain the best option; Obama being ahead in the polls is evidence that most votes don't consider McCain the best option.
Posted by: steve sturm at October 31, 2008 12:05 PM (L9End)
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CY: I agree with you, though I don't believe that the average voter will think along these lines. Instead, I think the constant drone of negative polling results has turned McCain into an underdog, and the average undecided voter likes cheering on the underdog -- thus breaking for McCain. McCain wins with a razor thin popular vote and electoral margin.
For me, I just want to play a drinking game where every time a pundit says "racism" or "this isn't what the polls told us," it's time for another shot.
I should be staggering drunk by 9:00pm Election Night.
Posted by: W-K-B at October 31, 2008 01:24 PM (2sAX0)
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In either case I'm pretty sanguine. McCain campaigns far to the right of his record. So does Obama. So does every aspiring Democrat looking to knock off an incumbent of whatever party. The rhetoric of class struggle and entitlement seems quite dead while the reality of entitlement grows. Odd. Except that we know that the vast majority of folks give nearly NO attention to politics. Barry can run as a tax-cutter and deficit hawk while planning a new Greater Society. That cannot work and if it cannot, it will not. Finally Americans will get some real exposure to socialist realities. They will not like it. McCain is a late bloomer on many issues dear to the Righties. Is he a convert or, like Barry, saying what sells? In any case reality will intrude and sooner, not later. Even Hawaii could not make single payer healthcare for just children work. It was abandoned after just 7 months. The grandiose schemes of Obama or McCain, if he has them, will suffer likewise. One thing you never have to worry about with socialism is success.
Posted by: megapotamus at October 31, 2008 02:11 PM (SIoJg)
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It would be nice if you were right, but I'm not counting on it. I've pretty much resigned myself to a repeat of the Carter years at this point. If I turn out to be wrong, great -- but the conversations I've had with people recently suggest that most Americans don't follow politics in any depth beyond what they see on the T.V. news. And given that fact, they won't know ANY of the several good reasons not to vote for Obama.
Note that I'm not letting pessimism discourage me from doing my part. I've already voted in early voting in my district. (Yes, I voted for McCain). And you should too, whoever you are reading this -- don't let pessimism keep you from the polls. But I just don't think we're going to pull this one off, given how thoroughly the MSM has covered for Obama. :-(
Posted by: Robin Munn at October 31, 2008 02:29 PM (bHOC3)
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As often happens..our neighbors celebrated the birth of their baby...
As often happens there is a gathering of family and friends. It just happens that the father is a naturalized citizen from India, and his wife is a direct decedent of slaves...
But...their baby is as cute as any baby.
I had the opportunity to talk with the mother's great-grandmother ...who was 85.
She understood how difficult is was to vote for a President of a different race. She had been doing it all her life. but she also said..
"If I can get over that..so can others."
As children we are often afraid of what is under the bed...or in the closet..then we come to realize...our fears are misplaced//
We are adult now...
Can you move beyond childhood fears?
Posted by: nogopostal at October 31, 2008 03:01 PM (JL9w0)
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If it were not for Palin, I would not even vote in the coming election.
As it is, I will be pulling the big R at the top of the ballot.
Posted by: 1sttofight at October 31, 2008 03:08 PM (WNzrw)
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nogopostal, I am sorry--truly very sorry--that you have been unable to move beyond your own racism, but is it necessary to project your inadequacies and biases onto others?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 31, 2008 03:18 PM (HcgFD)
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I agree with you CY. I think McVain has a chance to win. Like 1sttofight, I will be voting for Palin.
Posted by: feeblemind at October 31, 2008 04:27 PM (VqgGp)
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I think that Joe the Plumber may have given the election to McCain with the concept of share the wealth.
In addition, people are discounting the residual in the US. I know for certain that a number of nursing home individuals who haven't voted in years are making the effort to get to the polls even if it kills them and the only reason is race. You might consider this wrong but Obama has played every card in the deck and has started the concept of class war.
Posted by: David Caskey at October 31, 2008 05:19 PM (ZgM5r)
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If some neanderthals vote for McCain due to race I can live with it because it is beyond a certainty that millions of people are voting FOR Obama because of it. But I'm also tired of people using this as some kind of cudgel. Especially those morons Rendell and Murtha in Pennsylvania. You'd think Fast Eddie would be especially hesitant since the people he's pointing his finger at pulled the lever for Lynn Swann against him.
Posted by: scott at October 31, 2008 05:30 PM (9NvZm)
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Awww............
Nogopostal, that was so sweet. Did you make that up by yourself? Or did the Obama campaign just tell you to post it?
Seminar Blog Commenter alert!
Bob, this means they fear you, and us!
Posted by: Bill Smith at October 31, 2008 05:31 PM (2rmOB)
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"Obama being ahead in the polls is evidence that most votes don't consider McCain the best option."
Wow, aren't you a genius? What you're trying to do, as a loyal Obamaton, is depress the vote on our side -- nice try. Undecideds will go for McCain, and in significant numbers too:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/30/AR2008103004365_pf.html
Posted by: Richard Romano at October 31, 2008 07:08 PM (kycO9)
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Obama being ahead in the polls is evidence that most votes don't consider McCain the best option.
Then why did Obama underperform his poll numbers by as much as 8 points in the primaries?
Maybe the polls aren't really the predictor your wild Obamamania fantasies would have it.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 31, 2008 08:24 PM (sII0T)
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The entire world demands that Barack Hussein Obama be the next President of the United States.
If the racists and Islamophobes steal this election, they will suffer the consequences of their actions.
The long struggle is at an end. Renounce your false religions. Embrace Islam now and live in peace in submission to the will of Almighty Allah (swt).
Your grandchildren will be Muslim.
Allahu akbar!
Posted by: American Muslim at October 31, 2008 09:16 PM (GLw5T)
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Hey American Muslim,
Have you guys ever lost an election you DIDN'T claim was stolen?
Posted by: Bill Smith at October 31, 2008 09:54 PM (2rmOB)
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No, what is best for America is NOT a balanced government. What is best for America is government filled with men and women who are dedicated to preserving our personal liberties and national security. In other words, America needs a government with as many Republicans as possible--and I'm not talkin' RINOs.
Posted by: Don, the Rebel without a Blog at October 31, 2008 10:16 PM (D/K9d)
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Don't believe all the marxist propoganda the MSM is touting. It's all smoke and mirrors. It's like saying "Resistance is futile" so why bother. GO VOTE for McCain/Palin! Defeat the marxists and Islamic Jihadists. God has given you the liberty to vote. Sober up! This isn't a time to sulk in your beer but get up and resist the highjacking of our country. They played the same nasty game in the last election. This is the ultimate 9/11 if Barack Hussien Obama gets into office of the POTUS. Like the patriotic people of flight 93 resisted let's get up and vote and this in droves my fellow American people. Vote NOBAMA! Vote NO to every Socialistcrat trying to get back into office or is new on the scene. Their brand is seen on the sleeve of their marxist canidate which is godless and seething with hatred against this nation as founded by our fore fathers. Have no doubt this man will chum with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Russia, North Korea, China, Cuba, Venezuela and every radical group that's out there who hates the USA just as much as he does. Barack Hussien Obama is NOT JIMMY CARTER. He is far and away to the left of him. This guy sought after the likes of William Ayers and Rashid Khalidi and Jeremiah Wright. This guy was promoted into politics by William Ayers and it wasn't because he was "the nice neighbor down the street" but because he was like minded and a perfect demagogue to front their collective radical groups into office. Their not shy about openly calling themselves radical marxists and anarchists and jihadists nor ashamed of wanting to destroy the USA and Israel for good and laboring tirelessly for it. They're bringing down our education system, they're sabotaging our economy, they're infiltrating our goverment, they're in our churches. There is absolute zero morales with them and will do what it takes to hold power once seated. This isn't just another election. GO VOTE WHY YOU STILL CAN!
Posted by: TonyUSA at October 31, 2008 11:21 PM (pxEtp)
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Bill,
Look at the email for american muslim, am@nowhere.com. Even just reading his post it was an obvious parady. Actually a pretty good one, IMO.
Posted by: Tempus at November 01, 2008 06:50 AM (acDUM)
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Our President is responsible for the defense and welfare of the nation. He wields enormous power and makes important decisions when no one is watching. We have a right to judge a Presidential candidate based on our level of trust and our faith in his integrity.
In my view, Barack Hussein Obama will do whatever he can to advance his personal ambition. He breaks the rules if he can get away with it. His word is worthless.
McCain's integrity runs off the page. I'm voting McCain-Palin
Posted by: arch at November 01, 2008 08:03 AM (5XVEI)
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With over 70% of those polled refusing to answer any questions, it is reasonable to ask just how accurate these polling numbers reflect real voter intent.
Historically, conservatives were more likely than lefties to refuse to be polled. Getting a handle on that percentage currently is rather hard, since the people refuse to respond! Stories about McCain supporters being hounded by the press, assaulted by crazy Obama supporters, and persecuted by government officials doesn't help to increase the participation of conservatives either.
So it seems extremely likely that these trends might have Obama with as much as 7 fewer points in many states. And the concerted effort by Obama campaign and the press (but I repeat myself) to dispirit Republicans by skewing polls also would lead me to disbelieve the current poll numbers.
OTOH, maybe some of these poll numbers are based the Obama campaign adding a million fraudulent voters to the rolls...
Posted by: iconoclast at November 01, 2008 11:51 AM (TzLpv)
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Icono, let me share this bit from National Review Online (largely quoting Iowahawk) about just how un-scientific polling is:
You take a simple random sample of 1000 balls from an urn containing 120,000,000 red and blue balls, and your sample shows 450 red balls and 550 blue balls. Construct a 95% confidence interval for the true proportion of blue balls in the urn.
…Works pretty well if you’re interested in hypothetical colored balls in hypothetical giant urns, or survival rates of plants in a controlled experiment, or defects in a batch of factory products. It may even work well if you’re interested in blind cola taste tests. But what if the thing you are studying doesn’t quite fit the balls & urns template?
* What if 40% of the balls have personally chosen to live in an urn that you legally can’t stick your hand into?
* What if 50% of the balls who live in the legal urn explicitly refuse to let you select them?
* What if the balls inside the urn are constantly interacting and talking and arguing with each other, and can decide to change their color on a whim?
* What if you have to rely on the balls to report their own color, and some unknown number are probably lying to you?
* What if you’ve been hired to count balls by a company who has endorsed blue as their favorite color?
* What if you have outsourced the urn-ball counting to part-time temp balls, most of whom happen to be blue?
* What if the balls inside the urn are listening to you counting out there, and it affects whether they want to be counted, and/or which color they want to be?
(And what, I wonder, if all around you, every day, you are told by all of the coolest, hippest, prettiest balls that your color is mean, irrelevant, unpopular, un-cool, evil, old, incompetent and probably racist? Would you stick to your guns in the face of that, or keep your mouth shut and show ‘em when the curtain closes?)
I can't explain it better than that. And that's why, though I may take note of polls from time to time, I don't put a lot of stock in them.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 01, 2008 12:21 PM (sII0T)
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Exactly, CCG. More correctly, there is little reason to believe the distributions of those refusing to be sampled matches the distributions of those willing to be sampled. Add in agitprop efforts from the Obama campaign hoping to use poll results as a way to depress McCain voter turnout with a liberal dash of press bias and you have a set of very unreliable results.
I think McCain is definitely in range of winning right now. Palin has really fired up the base and McCain--no matter how uninspiring and occasionally disappointing he can be--is anything but a quitter. I like what I see in both McCain and Palin as they have fought for the right to be elected. It compares very favorably to the increasingly reclusive and angry behavior of Obama and Biden.
Posted by: iconoclast at November 01, 2008 01:16 PM (TzLpv)
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Are you ready for eight years of Obama? Yes?
You're voting for Obama? Cool!
A vote for Obama is a vote for:
1. The war against "negative" liberties
2. A Heavier Tax Burden (for everyone)
3. Marxism & Socialism
4. Obama's Unsavory Friends
5. Unchecked Beltway Power
6. Disdain
7. A Charismatic Demagogue
8. 143 Days of pre-campaign Senate Experience
9. A Bonehead (paraphrased from Obama himself)
*Final Note: Obama is ahead in the polls. Sitting out the election is a vote for Obama. You don't even have to get out of your chair to help Obama win!
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Posted by: Jason at November 02, 2008 05:51 AM (sQ3gH)
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Jason
Another pair of reasons to vote for Obama:
1. We get a cool new paramilitary internal security force equal in strength and funding to the US Military. Love those brown shirts!
2. We get pay billions more for bogus green energy efforts while bankrupting coal and nuclear. Love shivering in the dark while I wait for my government check!
Posted by: iconoclast at November 02, 2008 09:58 AM (UvXhw)
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You have to read this blog:
http://stolenthunder.blogspot.com/
He analyzes the polls according to historical norms, not pie in the sky assumptions that the pollsters are doing this year...don't forget, pollsters have CLIENTS who pay them, so when you see NYT/Rasmussen poll, you can take that poll with a grain of salt.
Anyway, the analyst in the link above PROVES his numbers against historical turnout norms, and early voting exit polls show that turnout ratios this year are very similar to 2004 ratios. Yes, those youth voters that NEVER turn up at the polls aren't turning up this year too, at least not in the groundswell necessary for them to offset the PUMA's and the pissed off republicans.
The blacks are turning out higher than they did in previous elections, but increasing a 90% vote to 92% vote for an electorate that's only 20% of the voting population doesn't add all that many voters to BHO's numbers.
IT ALL COMES DOWN TURNOUT! BHO's strategy was to reduce the spirit of the conservative base, and with the selection of Palin, the older and wiser McCain threw them for a loop; she rallied the base and gave them hope for the future and they are booking on 4 years from now as she uses the VP to give her experience on the national stage.
So, just go VOTE and things will go our way!
Posted by: EJ at November 02, 2008 05:37 PM (OP+ls)
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The only people I know who are voting for Obama are Lawyers. Theirs wives, friends, others, are not voting for him, but most likey for McCain.
This concerns me when many lawyers express so much desire to stick two never-done-much-of-anything lawyers into a very high office.
As an engineer, I would not vote for someone just because they had a technical bakground. We probably need more people with technical backgrounds as too many lawyers have been in office.
Posted by: jw at November 03, 2008 04:17 PM (rYaSa)
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Interesting thoughts on the coming election. I have a different thought on each candidate and how their actual plans would help the current and future crisis.
I believe I have not heard any mention from posters as to their personal thoughts on these subjects, but rather, comments based on rhetoric minus any facts. I get the impresion that most, or all, on this sight are well educated and would prefer facts from fiction, in making such a decision that would impact the whole country as well as ourselves.
See this election is about my daughters and their kids, not about me. I have worked long and hard to support my family and country, as most, and would like my country to return the favor, as I have.
I do not need a hand out, that is not what I am suggesting, but rather in representing my family to the world. It is no secret that our standing in the world has changed dramaticly, we have exposed our weaknesses internationally, and it's time to shift the focus domesticly.
I believe that in order for this to happen, we need diplomacy, not the military, in order to achieve any kind of success.
We will no longer be safe, 9/11 has shown us this, and the false illusion and belief that we can overpower to achieve this, is proving false. We succeed in only making things worse, by imposing our might on others, in the way that it was done. This will not gain respect of our friends or allies, only distance the ground between us.
Posted by: JW at November 03, 2008 11:56 PM (52lBR)
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EJ
I would take the time to take apart your inane argument, but instead I will let the election results do it for me.
That being said, though there are a lot of really ridiculous claims on this website, there is also a lot of well reasoned argument.
As a liberal (be warned this may be my vegetative state getting the best of me) I believe Obama will really reach out to Republicans despite having a majority in the house and senate. You wont see him claim that he has political capital and he intends to use it ( a la W).
Anyway, I know a lot of people who visit this site are likely going to be pretty mad tomorrow. Be mad, but then please try and encourage cooperation. Here is one liberal who hopes to work with you.
I can't wish your party good luck tomorrow, but I can wish you well.
Posted by: BJ at November 04, 2008 03:21 AM (ho1ah)
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This is coming from the middle. I consider myself a moderate that leans towards TRUE conservatism and TRUE fiscal responsibility.
If McCain had not picked Sarah Palin, I could've
taken him seriously. With that choice, I no longer can. He is clearly pandering to the religious base, which I personally think give the Republicans a bad name. Who can argue with political conservatism? No one. Its when you get the social conservatives or "theocons" in the mix that you alienate good people.
I voted for Barack Hussein Obama this morning and was happy to do so. Sarah Palin erased any doubts of my vote for Obama.
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Dissent Not Tolerated: Reporters Thrown Off Obama's Plane
Drudge is running this at the top of the page. As he doesn't keep permalinks like blogs, I'm replicating the whole thing below.
PURGE: SKEPTICAL REPORTERS TOSSED OFF OBAMA PLANE
Fri Oct 31 2008 08:39:55 ET
NY POST, DALLAS MORNING NEWS, WASHINGTON TIMES TOLD TO GET OUT... ALL 3 ENDORSED MCCAIN
**Exclusive**
The Obama campaign has decided to heave out three newspapers from its plane for the final days of its blitz across battleground states -- and all three endorsed Sen. John McCain for president!
The NY POST, WASHINGTON TIMES and DALLAS MORNING NEWS have all been told to move out by Sunday to make room for network bigwigs -- and possibly for the inclusion of reporters from two black magazines, ESSENCE and JET, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
Despite pleas from top editors of the three newspapers that have covered the campaign for months at extraordinary cost, the Obama campaign says their reporters -- and possibly others -- will have to vacate their coveted seats so more power players can document the final days of Sen. Barack Obama's historic campaign to become the first black American president.
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Some told the DRUDGE REPORT that the reporters are being ousted to bring on documentary film-makers to record the final days; others expect to see on board more sympathetic members of the media, including the NY TIMES' Maureen Dowd, who once complained that she was barred from McCain's Straight Talk Express airplane.
After a week of quiet but desperate behind-the-scenes negotiations, the reporters of the three papers heard last night that they were definitely off for the final swing. They are already planning how to cover the final days by flying commercial or driving from event to event.
Developing...
I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Either Drudge's scoop is wrong, or the Obama campaign is so supremely arrogant that it thinks it can act in such a condescending manner right before the election and not pay a political price. Within the past week, the Obama campaign punished two local television stations by cutting access to them after hard interviews. By tossing these major newspapers, it seems he is willing to take his intolerance to the next level.
The mainstream media has been handling Barack Obama with kid gloves this entire election. Now, when it is almost too late, they are discovering—to their horror, I'm sure—that the man they coddled thinks
nothing of them if they aren't his cheerleaders. They are now discovering that he will angrily, impulsively freeze them out if their news organizations aren't sycophants.
The media often complained that Bush often froze them out, but Bush never threw legitimate news organizations to the side for their criticism, bringing in soft news infotainment magazines like Essence and Jet to replace them.
This sets a new standard of
displayed political contempt for the media, but you can't say they didn't earn it.
Update: The Washington
Times angrily confirms:
The Washington Times, which has covered the Barack Obama campaign from the start, was kicked off the Democrat's campaign plane for the final 72 hours of the race.
The Obama campaign informed the newspaper Thursday evening of its decision, which came two days after the Times editorial page endorsed Senator John McCain over Mr. Obama. The Times editorial page runs completely independent of the news department.
"This feels like the journalistic equivalent of redistributing the wealth, we spent hundreds of thousands of dollars covering Senator Obama's campaign, traveling on his plane, and taking our turn in the reporter's pool, only to have our seat given away to someone else in the last days of the campaign," said Washington Times Executive Editor John Solomon.
"I hope the candidate that promises to unite America isn't using a litmus test to determine who gets to cover his campaign."
Of
course he is.
Now, imagine what it is going to be like if he somehow wins the Presidency.
Fox News has more.
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This won't generate a ripple. No one cared about cutting off the tv stations for asking hard questions, no one cares about kicking off three relatively minor (to the elite) papers from the plane at this late date.
Expect the same treatment at White House press conferences. Obama won't put up with a critical version of Helen Thomas. I doubt the IBD, Post, Times, etc. will lose their seats.
Posted by: iconoclast at October 31, 2008 09:18 AM (TzLpv)
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Lure voters with the promise of free pies for everyone. Dictators have done this since the beginning of time.
Posted by: bill-tb at October 31, 2008 09:23 AM (7evkT)
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If Obama wins is will be the era of the New Hitler. If you are waiting for a free check you will wait along time cause it will first go in his pocket. He is corrupt and we in Chicago know it. Dumb sheep being led wake up.
Posted by: sandi at October 31, 2008 09:28 AM (wgpxh)
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Kind of like McCain kicking out actual supporters at a rally who didn't look right, both sides do this.
Posted by: Sid at October 31, 2008 09:50 AM (QAveY)
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obama is the new hitler
Posted by: sandi at October 31, 2008 10:04 AM (wgpxh)
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you tell em!
i remember well your outrage when McCain banned Joe Klein from his plane. man, you really laid into McCain over that!
Posted by: Outrageous at October 31, 2008 10:06 AM (+dx2l)
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Dallas Morning News confirms:
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/10/the-dallas-morning-news-and-th.html
Posted by: Chris at October 31, 2008 12:07 PM (vwQ5m)
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Sid, got a link to a story about McCain kicking people out?... and not one on DailyKOS, DemocraticUnderground, or a similar lefty site?
Posted by: C-C-G at October 31, 2008 06:01 PM (sII0T)
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McCain kicked Dallas Morning News out for a week too. Maybe it's the paper, and not Obama.
And McCain's campaign kicked out the New York Times.
Posted by: Alex at October 31, 2008 06:49 PM (1gNPF)
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Links, Alex? Or are you just spreading rumors around to try to smear McCain with some of Barack Crybaby Obama's idiocy in kicking out dissenting voices?
Posted by: C-C-G at October 31, 2008 07:01 PM (sII0T)
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I'm white and somehow received a complimentary subscription to Essence magazine some years ago.
I looked at the fashion section (the only subject in the entire magazine applicable to me). An article entitled "something akin to" "White Women Hold Black Women in the Business World caught my eye. I read as much as I could stomach. It was racist and filled with hate. It's obvious why "O" prefers they cover the remaining days of his campaign.
Posted by: MS Publican at November 01, 2008 12:24 AM (XwGAK)
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The Obama Equation
Solve this problem
Democratic President + Democratic Senate + Democratic House of Representatives + Democratic Media = ???
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The Troops Support McCain
According to Fox News, this video is the most popular election-related clip on YouTube, with more than 11 million views.
The individual message seems to reflect the
overwhelming view of every branch of the U.S. military, active-duty and veterans. They trust John McCain on the issues. They trust John McCain to keep our families safe, and to act in
their best interests.
For that matter,
even Iraqis prefer John McCain.
Barack Obama?
Not so much.
Update: Another veteran
worries about Obama, calling him "Carter on steroids."
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Our fighting men and women are smart.
Great video, that I am afraid Democrats wouldn't understand.
Posted by: bill-tb at October 31, 2008 07:17 AM (7evkT)
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Of course.
Barney Frank (D-Fannie and Freddie) let the cat out of the bag when he said he wants to cut the military by 25%.
Since a very large chunk of military expenditures are actually for payroll for the troops, that means that if Barack Appeasement Obama get into office, a lot of these people will lose their jobs.
Somehow, I don't think that's the kind of unemployment that will bother the lefties.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 31, 2008 07:24 AM (sII0T)
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It's no longer available on You Tube as of 0837 31 Oct. What's going on?
Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2008 07:37 AM (r5YBd)
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I haven't made a video (rumors of being 'butt ugly' notwithstanding) - but this 24 year veteran has some similar sentiments, that I wrote about here.
Posted by: Wind Rider at October 31, 2008 08:09 AM (JcCvJ)
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Voters who are still undecided are clearly turned off by attempts to demonize either candidate. See the YouTube video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpsdKUQ1nKA
for one person’s perspective on how you can make a reasoned, thoughtful decision to support Obama AND vote for John McCain. Feel
Regards,
Dan
Posted by: Dan Rust at October 31, 2008 10:21 PM (SB1p6)
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Obama is ahead in the polls. Sitting out the election is a vote for Obama. You don't even have to get out of your chair to help Obama win!
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Posted by: Jason at November 02, 2008 05:59 AM (sQ3gH)
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Funny, isn't it? The two things that John McCain's combat and POW experience should have qualified him for is to act as a leader on Veteran's and POW/MIA issues. He seems to have failed miserably in both repects as judged by organisations that really represent these groups. In fact it's not funny at all. A rather sad old man really.
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"Funny, isn't it? The two things that John McCain's combat and POW experience should have qualified him for is to act as a leader on Veteran's and POW/MIA issues. He seems to have failed miserably in both repects as judged by organisations that really represent these groups. In fact it's not funny at all. A rather sad old man really."
Funny isn't it? That you talk about organizations that "really represent these groups." yet don't bother to name what orgs. these might be. I don't know about these alleged groups, but I do know that McCain has succeeded admirably as judged by the actual members of said groups, as 70% of military personell support McCain over Obama.
In fact it's not funny at all. Just more sad old lying liberal propaganda, really.
Posted by: Todd at November 04, 2008 11:40 AM (JS75z)
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A correction to my previous post
This line:
I don't know about these alleged groups
Should be:
I don't know about these alleged organizations
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October 30, 2008
Have You Saved an Obama Today?
First there was half-brother George Obama, living in shame in a Kenyan shanty town on $12 a year, and you were able to help.
Today, Barack Obama's long lost aunt has been found living in poverty somewhere far worse than the slums of Huruma on the outskirts of Nairobi.
Yes, Barack Obama's aunt Zeituni Onyango is living in public housing in
South Boston:
Barack Obama has lived one version of the American Dream that has taken him to the steps of the White House. But a few miles from where the Democratic presidential candidate studied at Harvard, his Kenyan aunt and uncle, immigrants living in modest circumstances in Boston, have a contrasting American story.
Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Mr Obama's best-selling memoir Dreams from My Father, lives in a disabled-access flat on a rundown public housing estate in South Boston.
His "Uncle Omar" faired even worse:
A second relative believed to be the long-lost "Uncle Omar" described in the book was beaten by armed robbers with a "sawed-off rifle" while working in a corner shop in the Dorchester area of the city. He was later evicted from his one-bedroom flat for failing to pay $2,324.20 (£1,48
arrears, according to the Boston Housing Court.
It's up to you to feed, clothe, and house these Obamas, America.
Because when it comes to "spreading the wealth around," Barack Obama obviously wasn't talking about his.
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I think this is Queen Michelle's fault. Michelle, the $300K+ salaried quid pro quo executive, orders several lobsters for an afternoon snack while Barry's family lives in squalor? Barry's little plaything is chased off to the Martinique while Michelle wears the pants and pushes Barry around?
Crap. Are we about to elect another henpecked Casper Milquetoast? No wonder the liberal chicks and effeminate men dig Obama while the Joe the Plumber types are found so distasteful. Obama's the Sitzpinkler Candidate.
Posted by: redherkey at October 30, 2008 08:43 AM (kjqFg)
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I got a feeling pants is not the only thing she straps on in that family.
Posted by: 1sttofight at October 30, 2008 09:02 AM (WNzrw)
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The classiest thing about all this..and specifically the Aunt????...well this lil' gem:
http://www.bobkrumm.com/blog/?p=2041
"Speaking outside her home in Flaherty Way, South Boston, on Tuesday, Ms Onyango, 56, confirmed she was the “Auntie Zeituni” in Mr Obama’s memoir. She declined to answer most other questions about her relationship with the presidential contender until after the November 4 election. “I can’t talk about it, I just pray for him, that’s all,” she said, adding: “After the 4th, I can talk to anyone."
Keep stayin' classy O!.
Posted by: markm at October 30, 2008 09:24 AM (hVOTO)
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You ought to be ashamed, Mr. Confederacy. Whether he's got poor relatives has nothing to do with whether he'll make a better president. This is the same scare tactic that the GOP always closes with, we'll protect you from Willie Horton and under us you won't have to pay the welfare queens.
Posted by: Red Phantom at October 30, 2008 10:39 AM (4kDvg)
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Damn, Sir:
After reading this, I had to look at the top your website to see if I was still on Jim Treacher's :-)
Posted by: Paul_In_Houston at October 30, 2008 10:40 AM (V3ZNR)
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Redherkey - that "snack" of Michelle's has been shown to be a hoax.
I don't like her either, but repeating false information helps no one... not even the children.
Posted by: Jeff Shultz at October 30, 2008 10:46 AM (UrQ4c)
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Red Phantom,
So it doesn't matter if his relatives live in abject poverty, but it matters if Joe the Plumber has a tax lien?
Nice double standard you got there.
Posted by: Richard Romano at October 30, 2008 12:50 PM (kycO9)
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While it would be easy for me to condemn Obama for not financially supporting family members, I won't throw the first stone on this one. I've got family members whose life situation is self-induced and self-selected; money will not cure their problems, only keep them satisfied with the level they've sought. I wouldn't send money to a drug-dealing and addicted half-brother either, regardless of which bridge he was living under. I've other family members to whom I've given thousands of dollars and no one in my family knows it; it's not their business and I'll not have money or jealousy over it between me and my loved ones. Obama's 2 big charities reported to the IRS for tax purposes have been Trinity Church and the Congressional Black Caucus. Both are racist hate groups. That tells me more about Barack Obama than whether he donated to that real "f" word, family.
Posted by: twolaneflash at October 30, 2008 02:59 PM (05dZx)
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No, I'm not giving a dime either.
Obama's got the bucks, it's his family; let him redistribute his own wealth for a change.
Posted by: Cindi at October 30, 2008 04:55 PM (/8Bs3)
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Obama InfoCommercial:
What lazy people. Fat and lazy. Period. I worked full time while going to college. My mom worked fulltime raising 12 kids, never on welfare. Saved money, paid in CASH… Not credit. Wear used clothing and worked for a fricken living.. These people in the commerical are not poor. geesh… why doesn’t the mother get rid of her fake nails and walk to the store or sell her car. These people are a bunch of whinners. My parents lived through the depression and NEVER asked for a dime.
Posted by: sara at October 30, 2008 05:38 PM (f/lPF)
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Wow - Dorchester is only a mile or two from the Boston Globe's Morrissey Ave HQ. No wonder it was so easy to find Obama's aunt. What? They didn't find her, it was a British newspaper? Maybe the Globe should recall a couple of reporters from Wasilla and the trash cans in the alley behind Joe the Plumber's house.
Posted by: Tim at October 30, 2008 06:42 PM (sp1sQ)
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Bob,
Is there really some way that conservatives could _actually_ help out a discarded Obama relative? Suppose that Right-of-Center blogs raised several thousand dollars to help first that poor fellow in Kenya and then the rest of the Obama clan...that not only would poke a stick in Barak's eye but it might also be the right thing to do.
I hate the government taking my money to support someone, but I gladly give it every week to support someone I know is trying.
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at October 31, 2008 12:08 AM (9Hs7J)
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TwoLane, I understand what you're saying, but I don't think you understand what Bob (CY) is saying.
Basically, Barack Socialist Obama's "spread the wealth" plan would involve spreading your tax dollars and mine to give to his aunt and uncle, among others, even those whom you say you'd rather not support (and I don't disagree with not supporting folks like that).
Therein lies the hypocrisy of Barack Hypocrite Obama. He'll send your money to people who will not work, and my money, but not his own money.
By the way, and for the record, I have no problem supporting those who are unable to work. However, being disabled myself and still working for a living myself (frequently 6 days a week), I know how many opportunities exist for those who are willing to work, even if disabled. However, if you are able to get a job of some kind, and refuse to, then I don't think I "owe" you a penny.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 31, 2008 07:31 AM (sII0T)
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Baldilocks covered this pretty well a couple days ago. Basically, her take is "would you even care about these people, if you didn't have a chance to give Barry a black eye?"
I think that's a fair question.
Posted by: Casey at November 01, 2008 02:35 AM (RJSy/)
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Casey:
Given that I have signed up at work to give a portion of my paycheck directly to a charity that is dedicated to helping people like this (and work matches me at 50 cents on the dollar), I'd have to say that my answer to your question is "yes."
I guess that trolling tactic failed, Casey. I'd say better luck next time, but I really don't wish you any better luck, and hope there's not a next time.
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Oh, since I answered your question, Casey, you can answer one for me.
Would you (and your buddies in the MoveOnMedia) be more interested in this story if these people if they were related to the McCain or Palin families?
To ask that question is to answer it, especially given the absurd lengths the MoveOnMedia has gone to attack Governor Palin (come on, now, insinuating that her baby isn't hers?).
The difference is, neighbor Casey, that the McCains and the Palins take care of their families, from the little girl brought to the US for a cleft palate operation that was adopted, to the teenage mother-to-be, to the baby with special needs.
And stories like those are why the left so wants to bury this one. Because it shows a stark contrast between McCain, Palin, and the Obamas.
Your trolling expedition has now resulted in more damage to your own side than to mine, Casey. I think it's time for you to retreat.
Posted by: C-C-G at November 01, 2008 07:32 AM (sII0T)
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I have no doubt that there are many people who sincerely believe that "spreading the wealth around" promotes the common good and that redistribution somehow makes for a more fair, just and equitable world. Obama is says that he is one of these people. He has famously stated "...I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
Some say that if Obama believes in redistribution, he should be helping his impoverished brother in Kenya, or his poor aunt in Boston. Maybe. But maybe Obama has already tried to help his family. Maybe Obama's family is too proud and independent to accept help. You and I don't know the situation, so let's give Obama the benefit of the doubt. And private charity isn't really the issue here. Obama is not promoting private charity...or at least that's not the thrust of his campaign message. Obama said he wants to improve the world through "redistributive change," and he plans increase taxes and fatten up the U.S. Treasury to make it happen.
So I said, fine Obama, if you can convince a majority of the voters to sign up for these risky schemes, go for it! But then things got more interesting. McCain said, "Nobody likes taxes. Let's not raise anybody's taxes."
"Well, I don't mind paying a little more," Obama responded.
WAIT A MINUTE! He said what?
"...I don't mind paying a little more."
*Wow*
Hey Obama! There's good news. If you really want to pay more, YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW. The United States Treasury will accept your donation. This is no joke. If you need to know more, go to the website.
Obama, this is your chance to lead by example. Make a big deal about it, have a big fancy check-signing photo-op surrounded by smiling celebrities and politicians; heck, you could even invite that Obama Girl. You could show us how much you hate those nasty Bush tax cuts and send an amount equal to what you saved because of those cuts. With the millions you made from your book, I'm sure it would be a lot of money. And while you're at it, you could ask your supporters to send money to the U.S. Treasury instead of sending it to you for your campaign. Haven't you already gotten $600,000,000? Time to start redistributing!
Obama, put your money where your mouth is and make a financial donation to the U.S. Treasury today! You do believe in the things you say, don't you?
rightklik.blogspot.com
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Huffington Post Writer Stabs Ex-Lover 220 Times, Commits Suicide
Boynton, Beach, FL:
A woman who lived with her ex-partner on the city's south side stabbed her former lover more than 200 times with a Phillips-head screwdriver and then tried to conceal the killing, police said.
After committing the crime, Carol Anne Burger, 57, a writer who friends described as engaged and eager to move on with life, reported her old flame missing and then, a day later, shot herself to death in her backyard, police said.
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Burger, upset at the disintegration of her relationship and disgusted with the U.S. during the past several years, sometimes talked of moving to Panama or Mexico to start again.
That she had recently lost her job didn't help the bouts of depression she sometimes experienced, said her close friend and confidante, Helen Gale.
But when the Web site The Huffington Post tapped Burger to cover the election from Florida this month, the job seemed to give her renewed focus. Burger burned to write a story for the site's front page and poured herself into the work, Gale said.
This lady obviously had serious psychological issues. The article also states she came to hate the United States "during the past several years."
Uh-huh.
I wonder how much eight years of the self-induced hysteria we know as "Bush Derangement Syndrome" and the requisite feelings of impotent rage and looming oppression fed into her existing problems.
May God be with both families as they deal with this senseless tragedy.
Update: Perhaps interested in keeping up appearances, the Palm Beach Post has now
removed all references to Burger's disgust of the United States.
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May the Lord be with her family and friends, as well as the family and friends of her victim.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 29, 2008 09:36 PM (sII0T)
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It is truly terrible to see some poor soul get to that state of mental wreckage. Lord, please have mercy on her.
Posted by: Tonto (USA) at October 29, 2008 10:11 PM (Qv1xF)
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What a murderer. I regret the passing of the victim and express my condolences to the victims family. I wish both families strength in coming to grips with this evil act and the passing of their respective loved ones.
I'm glad the murderer took her own life. She deserved death.
Posted by: Christoph at October 29, 2008 10:41 PM (hawOV)
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There's been lots of talk on the right half of the blogosphere about Lefty moonbats offing themselves if McCain wins.
I guess this one couldn't wait.
Posted by: Joshua at October 29, 2008 10:48 PM (6LFuL)
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"My gut tells me that it's impossible and that something else is going on," said Helen Gale, Burger's close friend and confidante. "This is just beyond belief."
What is it with lefties and their willful blindspot to the base aspects present in all humans?
It's a horrible tradgedy, but hardly unique.
Posted by: ThomasD at October 29, 2008 10:48 PM (LcNn7)
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"What is it with lefties and their willful blindspot to the base aspects present in all humans?"
They overlook parents killing their own unborn children (Obama's limited infanticide support notwithstanding)... with all due respect, what the heck do you expect?
Posted by: Christoph at October 29, 2008 10:57 PM (hawOV)
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And she was the sane one at Huff & Puff. The rest of the staff had better hire a conservative to guard their backs, they are in for some bad times. Can't wait for the liberal murder/suicide rate to skyrocket when GWB goes back to Tx. Maybe he'll send Huff & Puff and KOS a few pictures of him crusing on his bass boat and send them over the cliff a little faster.
Posted by: Scrapiron at October 29, 2008 11:13 PM (I4yBD)
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Well, being connected to that lunatic publication HuffPost has to stir suicidal thoughts in all employees, doesn't it? After all, in order to be on the left, doesn't it require a certain level of dishonesty and base satisfaction with harming others? History will likely reflect that the left suffered by low self esteem and the rage that comes with that. I'm sure if I woke one day thinking like a liberal I'd off myself.
Regards to the victim's family. Ffffffttt to the murderer.
Posted by: Sarah Becker at October 29, 2008 11:36 PM (C3qa2)
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How did a leftie get a gun - I thought they hate them
Posted by: Holdfast at October 29, 2008 11:48 PM (Gzb30)
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Such a tragedy, but I can't say I am surprised considering there are so many off balanced people congregating at HuffPo. I honestly think that place is bad for anyone's mental health.
Posted by: OxyCon at October 30, 2008 12:12 AM (6uqOm)
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Huffington Post blogger Carol Anne Burger killed her ex-lover Jessica Kalish on October 22 with 222 stab wounds, on October 21 she was posting two favorable Barack Obama articles on the Huffington Post, see her articles below;
Carol Anne Burger, Posted October 21, 2008 10:57 AM Members Are So Glad It’s Looking Like Obama at GLAAD Happy Hour
Carol Anne Burger, Posted October 21, 2008 06:07 PM (EST) Obama and Swing-State Governors Push Importance of Green Jobs in Palm Beach
How can you take anything this deeply disturbed “blogger” has ever written as even close to being the truth, she was a “Crazed Obama Supporter”.
Bill Warner
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I'm saddened and horrified for the victim who was so brutally murdered. I'm also saddened that the pure derangement and hate from the left in the past eight years has been so jarring, so sick, that my first reaction upon reading about this HuffPo moonbat killing herself was to chuckle. There is nothing funny about any human tragedy, but they have seen to it that I can no longer see them as people I disagree with, but rather, as the enemy. And I hate that the political life in this country has come to that.
Posted by: scott at October 30, 2008 05:04 AM (9NvZm)
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Cristoph, I certainly understand where you are coming from, but when dealing with that end of the spectrum, I've already written off that aspect of their psyches. The internal contradiction of murdering the innocent simply does not enter into their equations.
To me what that quote shows a person who can't accept that her own limited experiences did not provide her with a complete understanding of the limits of another human's behavior. Not only does she think she is totally incapable of such acts she projects that belief on her associations.
These are the people willing to push the society and our form of government to the very limits in the hopes of achieving their own personal ideals. The notion that things might go badly doesn't seem to cross their minds.
Posted by: ThomasD at October 30, 2008 06:54 AM (LcNn7)
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Only 220 times from a HUFFPO writer???. Musta been "off focus" that day.
Posted by: markm at October 30, 2008 07:05 AM (hVOTO)
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BDS claims its last victim. Sad.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at October 30, 2008 08:11 AM (oC8nQ)
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Not the last, I fear, just most recent. Bush's second term isn't over yet, and there are strong signs the disease has mutated into more deadly parallel strains, PDS, and MDS, that will only grow in intensity over the next four years, starting Tuesday night.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 30, 2008 08:18 AM (HcgFD)
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More beer for the rest of us?
I'm sort of in the same boat as everyone else, knowing full well that the Lefties dance on the graves of Reagan etc. saying it's their "right" to release their anger when they die, but complaining about our lack of compassion if we do the same.
I could try to be the better person, but work is hard.
So, more beer for us.
Posted by: Hawkins at October 30, 2008 08:38 AM (pKjWO)
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At least she didn't use a gun. Guns are dangerous!
Posted by: RM at October 30, 2008 08:41 AM (9Y8s/)
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Clearly we need more stringent screwdriver control.
Posted by: RC at October 30, 2008 09:52 AM (TNcgI)
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“Crazed Obama Supporter”.
Is there another kind?
Posted by: Bandit at October 30, 2008 11:44 AM (/R+6i)
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Lots of hilarity in the comments here! Classy bunch!
Posted by: angryflower at October 30, 2008 12:40 PM (uMRcI)
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It's sad. People try to fill that acing spiritual void in their lives with politics, activism, medication, sex... whatever it is... and it ends badly. It's so tragic because the Grace of God is available for any who ask for it. But people still choose misery. It's so sad.
Posted by: V the K at October 30, 2008 12:49 PM (PLvLS)
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Our remorse should be directed to her victim and his family -- this woman deserves our scorn...she was a selfish egoist who allowed politics to dictate and warp her life.
God will judge her rightly for the evil she has done.
Posted by: Richard Romano at October 30, 2008 12:53 PM (kycO9)
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They were not lovers; they were married. Is this divorce same sex style? Huff Po is very a very unhinged group.
Posted by: arch at October 30, 2008 03:31 PM (5XVEI)
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Clearly we need more stringent screwdriver control.
Very true. We need a 7-day waiting period for all screwdriver purchases, with background checks for all purchasers.
(/sarc)
Posted by: C-C-G at October 30, 2008 06:08 PM (sII0T)
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Wow At two strokes/sec., assuming she could keep up that pace, she worked her over for almost two minutes. Maybe she took a break and came back later for more. Have we checked the Guiness book for a record?
Posted by: Hugh Beamus Craig at October 30, 2008 07:45 PM (4t7oP)
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Wow. More than 200 stab wounds. It's like the murder equivalent of ALL CAPS and extra punctuation!!!!!!!
Posted by: lyle at October 30, 2008 11:23 PM (aiizS)
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I knew this woman. Carol Ann Berger used to be a reporter for a credit union focused publication. I have talked to her a number of times regarding cu issues. I heard about her suicide a few days ago through other people I work with in the credit union industry. When I read this report last night, I was horrified that she was the murder. The kind of rage that it would take to stab someone that many times is incomprehensible. I just feel sick.
Posted by: obp at October 31, 2008 11:26 AM (wnGSh)
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It's time for Jack Murtha to apologize to the Marines he smeared. Our veterans deserve nothing less.
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Apologize, heck. He needs to lose his comfy Senate seat. And it's starting to look like he will.
After that, if he still has the guts, I'd like to see him apologize in person to a room full of USMC veterans of Mideast wars.
I doubt he's got the cojones, tho. He'll go to MS-National-Barack-Channel and get a job there trashing the Marines.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 29, 2008 08:17 PM (sII0T)
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So when are they going to vote this senile, mind bent puke out of office? I hope it's up this election. This poor old man should be in assisted living someplace.
Posted by: Tonto (USA) at October 29, 2008 10:08 PM (Qv1xF)
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An apology from this clown would only add to the insult. He should just go, fade from public life.
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at October 30, 2008 02:49 AM (Vcyz0)
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He would probably give a Kerry-style non-apology.
"I'm sorry that you misunderstood me. The fault lies with you for being so stupid. Oh, and I say again, they're cold-blooded murders."
Posted by: brando at October 30, 2008 05:22 PM (Qdo18)
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Just, wow.
Via
Hot Air.
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Yeah, that'll leave a mark.
Posted by: ECM at October 29, 2008 03:17 PM (q3V+C)
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Hagan is a Sunday School teacher.
Google Hagan Sunday School teacher on yer own.
Hagan lives in her State. Where does Dole live?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/18/11214/1333
Posted by: nogopostal at October 29, 2008 03:22 PM (JL9w0)
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The voice at the end isn't Hagan, it's a fake. Shows what desperation drives you to.
Posted by: Toyboat at October 29, 2008 04:51 PM (cC3Yf)
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It isn't "fake," it is direct and accurate audio of the woman who leads the PAC, Ellen Johnson.
Who is dumb enough to think that is Hagan?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 29, 2008 04:56 PM (HcgFD)
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I am glad to report that I voted against her just an hour ago.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 29, 2008 05:18 PM (05oxu)
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Who is dumb enough to think that is Hagan?
Someone stupid enough to vote for Obama.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 29, 2008 06:38 PM (sII0T)
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These godless nitwit are working their way into our political discourse like rust; with their thug messiah at the lead. This poor woman is just one example of what happens when we forget what made our Republic strong.
"A man who won't believe in God will believe in anything." G.K. Chesterton
The "thug messiah" is case in point.
Posted by: J Scott at October 29, 2008 08:40 PM (ZQZpx)
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J Scott, a lot of them aren't really godless... their chosen god is the state. The state can solve all problems, etc.
That's even scarier, to me, than an honest atheism/agnosticism.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 29, 2008 09:23 PM (sII0T)
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Um...Michele...the Political Action group is known as "Godless Americans". Labeling these wonderful people (/sarc) has been done by themselves.
Posted by: Mark at October 29, 2008 11:08 PM (w/olL)
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mark, don't address the obot concern trolls... you know I'm going to toss them.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 29, 2008 11:11 PM (HcgFD)
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Looks like separation of church and state is meaningless in bible thumper states such as North & South Carolina.
Posted by: Michael at October 30, 2008 10:51 AM (p5ybu)
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As you wish, my friend.
(but its so easy...oh well)
Posted by: Mark at October 30, 2008 12:06 PM (4od5C)
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You Americans are soooo messed up. Who cares about god? What does god have to do with improving the policies that make the lives of all people better - nothing!
Your founding fathers had a great vision for making America a great country. Now you are an international pariah with a great internal culture war. Why? Because you are all hung up on beliefs that can't be shaken.
I can't believe that a civilized nation would tolerate such hate in a political ad. Could you imagine if they ran an ad that said someone was a Jew or a Muslim or a Morman or a Catholic. We would all be shocked. So why pick on atheists? Would I be okay if I believed in Zeus? Not the right god, but hey, a god, any god, at least a god.
So sad.
Posted by: Norm at October 30, 2008 12:10 PM (0AFQ1)
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mark, don't address the obot concern trolls... you know I'm going to toss them.
Yeah, Mark, you've been around long enough to know better.
Besides, the best way to drive a troll off is to starve them of what they want: attention. If ya don't reply, it's no fun to them and they wander back to whatever lefty blog spawned them.
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Posted by: ocbegj at October 31, 2008 09:00 PM (6K0R2)
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TO: Confederate Yankee, et al.
RE: Of Hagan and the Godless
Birds....Feathers....and Flocks.....
And I'm curious what she DID list are her offers to that group.
RE: The Voice....
....at the end of the YouTube thing, declaring, "There is no God", sounds a tad desperate.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Atheist, n., One hoping to God that He doesn't exist.]
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P.S. As advice to the 'atheists' here....
....you poor deluded fools. Having encountered His assistance in saving my life on several occasions—once plummeting out of a black-night sky with a malfunctioning parachute and later in a snit with an 18-wheeler on I-25—I can tell you the Truth....
....you're poor self-deluding fools.
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So what its not Kay Hagan's voice at the end of that commercial. I frankly dont even think its implied (although lots do because Kay Hagan has implied it herself). What I want to know is why has not Kay Hagan's hypocritic ass not returned the money? In fact why has she not come out saying how this Godless organization is not what she is about. Instead she is saying she is a Sunday school teacher. Hey y'all John Wayne Gacy was a clown for children's parties, so I guess he was not a bad guy after all. My parents always told me it's who you hang out with that shows who you truly are. I am pulling my family out of First Pres.
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I've learned from an intelligence and strategic communications source that on May 18, 2004, Obama came to Washington, DC on a fundraising trip. His trip also included an appearance at the May 2004 AIPAC Policy Conference.
Prior to Mr. Obama arriving in Washington, a McLean Clark National Operations Director met with Vera Baker of Baker-Wambu & Associates. I spoke with this director yesterday afternoon.
McLean Clark is a public relations and communications firm that worked for Barack Obama in connection with his 2004 Senate race. Baker-Wambu & Associates was a top fundraising firm for the Congressional Black Caucus, and Ms. Baker was also listed as the National Finance Chair for Obama's Senate campaign. The McLean Clark director, also working for the campaign, functioned as a driver for Baker and Obama during the visit.
Ms. Baker called the driver before Mr. Obama arrived in town and asked him to pick her up from an undisclosed location and drive her to the
Hotel George, where Mr. Obama would be staying. As part of his staff, Baker was apparently able to check Obama into his hotel. Ms. Baker then left the driver in the lobby and went upstairs to change. This is interesting because the driver did not see her take any bags with her as he remained downstairs. The driver was unsure where the clothes came from, or if perhaps Baker had previously been to the hotel.
After Ms. Baker changed, the driver and Ms. Baker then went to pick up Mr. Obama from Reagan National Airport.
The driver then took Baker and Obama to Georgetown, where they met with a big donor. I was unable to determine who that donor might be. The driver next took Baker and Obama to the
DC Armory; he was told to drop Ms. Baker and Mr. Obama off at the AIPAC conference where President Bush gave a
speech. After dropping them off, the driver's services would no longer be required. Baker and Obama were to have secured rides home on their own.
After the conference, however, Ms. Baker called the driver and told him that they did not have transportation, and asked him to come pick them up. The driver returned to the conference and picked up Mr. Obama, Ms. Baker, and a third person, the woman with whom Ms. Baker was to be staying.
According to the driver, he drove to the woman's home, but she alone departed. Ms. Baker remained in the car with Mr. Obama. The driver then brought Baker and Obama back to Hotel George, where he dropped the two of them off for the evening.
The story originally provided by the intelligence and strategic communications source was verified by speaking directly to the driver (who was granted anonymity) Monday afternoon. In and of itself, the fact that Ms. Baker went back to Mr. Obama's hotel the night of May 18, 2004 is not proof of an extramarital affair. But the subsequent mysterious disappearance of Vera Baker is surprising, and perhaps suggestive.
Despite its successes, Baker-Wambu & Associates suddenly shut down in 2006. It is hard to find precise dates or a specific reason why the successful consultancy closed. Baker later claimed she worked at Alta Capital Group in Chicago, a municipal bond broker-dealer, but there doesn't appear to be a residence for her in the Windy City, nor did she appear to have ever held a residence in New York, as
others have claimed. Baker later appeared in Martinique. Again, we don't know precisely when, but we do know that she was still there very recently. Her latest business venture, a consultancy named Cape Caribbean, LLC, has, again suddenly, pulled its web site offline.
On the "About Us" page
captured from the site before it was shut down, Baker provided a brief professional bio:
Prior to launching Cape Caribbean, Ms. Baker worked for Alta Capital Group-a full-service municipal bond broker-dealer. She joined Alta Capital Group after serving as a Principal at Baker-Wambu & Associates, a strategic political and fundraising consulting firm based in Washington, DC. Previously, she served as the National Finance Director on Senator Barack Obama's 2004 Senate Campaign. She also served as the Deputy Political Director at the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.
I was unable to ascertain what Cape Caribbean, LLC actually did as a consultancy. Nor was I able to determine what Ms. Baker—the political fundraiser—actually did at Alta CG.
What I have confirmed via both the intelligence and strategic communications source and the (now former) McLean Clark National Operations Director is that NewsMax, the National Enquirer, ABC News, and NBC News have all had the basic facts of the Baker-Obama liaison for some time now, and so far, none have come forward with any reporting.
Let me say that again—they spoke with the driver, and have not moved with the story. They had
less evidence of an non-existent affair between John McCain and Vicki Iseman, so why are they not pressing this story, which actually has a person confirming that Baker and Obama were dropped off at his hotel late at night?
NewsMax, typically a fervent conservative monthly, has not pursued the story. source claim they were perhaps dissuaded by the current political climate and fear of possible difficulties if Obama is elected.
As a tabloid, the National Enquirer could have a profit motive in holding the story until after the election. If Obama loses the election as the result of a scandal, it would be a short-term sensation. But if a scandal were to explode around a new President-elect, it could be a lucrative story for the tabloid for far longer.
ABC News and NBC News have contacted the driver (he told me), who verified the first-hand account related to reporters for each of these news organizations. These news organizations may be "slow rolling" the story, purposefully slowing its release so that it breaks only after the November 4. This may be for both ideological reasons—many journalists support Obama's political platform—and for the more pragmatic motive shared with the Enquirer of better ratings and higher profit if a dramatic scandal embroils a new presidency.
Meanwhile... Where is Vera Baker?
Why did she suddenly leave a lucrative consulting practice for an unknown position in an entirely different line of work, before skipping the country entirely? Did she have an affair with a man who may be our next President, and if so, should that change our minds about how we think about him?
With Vera Baker, we have many questions.
What we don't have—and what too few journalists seem to be interested in finding—are answers.
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How do you pick-up someone from an undisclosed location?
Posted by: dry_fish at October 29, 2008 10:32 AM (zjgCD)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 29, 2008 10:32 AM (eiOZw)
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There is a chance, however slight, news of this affair will sway a decisive percentage of undecided votes away from Obama. Of course, McCain and his people will fail to exploit this issue even though marital nfidelity goes to the core of the character issue--certainly more than a 20-year-old DUI. Should more concrete evidence emerge and McCain's campaign fails to speak to this, I swear, next election I'm backing a candidate who is willing to take it all the way, to take it to the opposition as hard and low as the law will allow. This above-the-fray unwillingness to play hardball displayed by the McCain team has been a disservice to the country.
Posted by: Troy Riser at October 29, 2008 10:35 AM (NfkMy)
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Undisclosed to me... and I forgot to ask where. Frankly, I didn't think that was the relevant part of the story.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 29, 2008 10:38 AM (HcgFD)
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Evidence would be nice. Heck, you haven't even risen to the level of accusation!
With Vera Baker, we have many questions.
What we don't have ... are answers.
I hope Jimbo has more, because this is lame.
Posted by: Christoph at October 29, 2008 10:39 AM (hawOV)
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I, too, am getting frustrated with Republican candidates who campaign like election results have no consequences. I don't understand it. Do they believe the positions of the two parties are so similar that it doesn't matter which party holds power? Is it a game to be played and ordinary Americans are expendable?
Posted by: Paula at October 29, 2008 10:44 AM (WYypq)
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She did live in Brooklyn, New York. Check the New York City historical property records. The property was bought on January 9, 2007 for $390,000, of which $266,000 was borrowed.
The address Baker used on her website registration is 634 East 14th Street, #8, New York.
Posted by: Fresh Air at October 29, 2008 10:52 AM (SXkkC)
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Paula, I don't understand what you're talking about. Of course Republican candidates campaign like election results matter if only because they want to get in office.
Posted by: Christoph at October 29, 2008 10:52 AM (hawOV)
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Cape Caribbean looks like a sham organization. Claims to do "customized marketing services" for corporations or something. Like anyone looks for marketing services in Martinique. Contact Ace at AOS if you need screen captures. I'm sure one of the posters of there has one.
Posted by: Fresh Air at October 29, 2008 10:55 AM (SXkkC)
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Fresh air, click the link in the article. It goes to the screen capture.
And I have caps of the entire site, I just don't think people care about that.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 29, 2008 10:58 AM (HcgFD)
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Only part of this that sounds true is that the major media would sit on a story that reflects badly on Barry, they've been doing it for quite a while now.
Posted by: glenn at October 29, 2008 11:00 AM (W26NM)
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First, I believe it simply because I want to and no further evidence is needed. Second, we need to let this go without more evidence. Good job, CY, on getting the source to talk to you.
Posted by: Sue at October 29, 2008 11:06 AM (Jol77)
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Damn the rectal examination,full speed ahead!
Posted by: firefirefire at October 29, 2008 11:26 AM (V8jYh)
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It is interesting but not enough evidence for a real news story, at least not yet. Sure if you changed the name "Obama" to "McCain" the NYTimes would put it on the front page, but that does not make it a real news story yet - it just makes the NYT a scumbag rag in the tank for the Dems.
I will follow developments with interest.
Posted by: Holdfast at October 29, 2008 11:34 AM (Gzb30)
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CY--
Okay, I wasn't sure if you had been able to save all that stuff. This French clown, Marc Merlini, whom she apparently lives with in Martinique is interesting. His story may give more of a clue to the rest of this.
Posted by: Fresh Air at October 29, 2008 11:36 AM (SXkkC)
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Well, remember back in March this year, around Easter, Obama went "missing" and was photgraphed in - The Caribbean? Not Martinique. Curiously, the trip was highly secretive, and there is very few mentions on the Mrs. and kids being with him, and I daresay not one photo of the whole family together. Curious.
Posted by: Enlightened at October 29, 2008 11:38 AM (CHJ2J)
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She probably ran for her life.
Posted by: baldilocks at October 29, 2008 11:44 AM (RYrq2)
Posted by: Korla Pundit at October 29, 2008 11:46 AM (FHlAi)
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Thank you for your yeoman's work on this story. America is grateful that you don't have anything better to do with your time. But this is only one of the stories that could derail Obama's candidacy, hopefully before the election or at least shortly thereafter:
http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2008/10/great-moments-in-election-year-blogging.html
Posted by: Jon Swift at October 29, 2008 11:52 AM (mf5Qx)
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I don't know if you have been to fousesquawk but it is the one dropping hints in that 'teasing the MSM' sort of way.
Posted by: ajacksonian at October 29, 2008 11:53 AM (oy1lQ)
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Crossed from Ace...
For this story
What about another angle .... anyone talk with Wendy Button?
See Newsbusters P.J. Gladnick article today ..... she was Obama's speechwriter who has defected to McCain. No mention in the MSM about this.
Worth a try ???
Posted by: Cromagnum at October 29, 2008 11:55 AM (UxAb/)
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This Alta Capital she worked for doesn't exist anymore, at least as a full-service B-D. But if memory serves, it was owned by one of the female Walton heirs.
Not sure how that could be a piece of any puzzle, but WTFDIK.
Posted by: spongeworthy at October 29, 2008 12:00 PM (a00go)
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"We call it 'hypocrisy' when a conservative authority figure falls short of his professed principles. Don't we need a word to describe an advocate of permissive principles living up to them too enthusiastically?"
That's the joy of being a liberal/progressive these days - there's no such thing as hypocrisy. Thus, there's no story.
Posted by: Mule at October 29, 2008 12:11 PM (RFHcW)
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Spongeworthy - Was it Alice?
Posted by: Mule at October 29, 2008 12:13 PM (RFHcW)
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Fresh Air,
Had "people" check two addresses for Baker, including the one you provided:
"I went to both of the NY addresses. E 2nd street didn't answer – no names on the door. E14th street #8 had a man who said he didn't know her (I spoke French to him with an antillais accent at first through the intercom, to make him think that I was from martinique). He didn't register. Didn't understand French."
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 29, 2008 12:14 PM (HcgFD)
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Fresh Air,
The guy at that address doesn't know Baker.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 29, 2008 12:16 PM (HcgFD)
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I don't know why we bother with this crap. There are already so many valid reasons not to vote for BHO. Why not just focus on those? People who don't have a problem with BHO aren't going to have a problem with him having an affair. You're preaching to the choir here, amigo.
Jon: Great post, man.
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CY--
Interesting. Did you check the New York property records. There was a property transfer under Vera Baker in Brooklyn. Another one showing 2002 at 1490 Park Place. You have to use a Windows OS to use the search tool, but it's there. Cohabitated with Basil Baker (her former husband, I presume).
See this.
Put in Reel #5525, it's on page 1849
Posted by: Fresh Air at October 29, 2008 12:33 PM (SXkkC)
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CY--
Interesting. Did you check the New York property records. There was a property transfer under Vera Baker in Brooklyn. Another one showing 2002 at 1490 Park Place. You have to use a Windows OS to use the search tool, but it's there. Cohabitated with Basil Baker (her former husband, I presume).
See this.
Put in Reel #5525, it's on page 1849
Posted by: Fresh Air at October 29, 2008 12:35 PM (SXkkC)
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You claim there was less evidence of an Iseman-McCain affair, yet your link goes to her denial of an affair.
Actually, there was plenty of evidence. First, McCain--by his own admission--was known for his philandering ways. Second, his own staff had become convinced he was having an affair with Iseman or was concerned enough about the perception to try and maintain some separation between the two. Third, Iseman was spending an awful lot of time with McCain and the firms she represented were spending a lot of cash on McCain.
You also claim Baker-Wambu was highly successful. I'd invite you take a look at Opensecrets.org for the expenditures made by the CBC from 2001-2006 to Baker-Wambu.
Posted by: Al Vanderlay at October 29, 2008 12:47 PM (cqZXM)
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"I've learned from an intelligence and strategic communications source"
Yep...no need to question any of your assertions.
kinda like the Obama Birth certificate meme.
Ya really think if it was true..Clinton would have used it to win? Ya think if it was really true the GOP would have pushed it? Ya think anyone running for President is not given a basic FBI check? Try getting your child into school without a birth certificate..yes he did go to American schools..
I just wish ya'll would quit hiding behind feeble
excuses that the reason you dislike Obama is his skin melanin.
Posted by: nogopostal at October 29, 2008 03:38 PM (JL9w0)
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listen up postal, I debunked the birth certificate claims, the claims he's a Muslim and that he didn't register for the Selective Service, etc.
Have you done anything to debunk liberal lies directed at Palin or McCain?
Yeah, I didn't think so.
While I'm sure your answer to every criticism is to yell "RACIST!" at the top of your lungs so you don't have to think--which by the way everyone is getting tired of, especially independents that tremor at the thought of four more years of this--the simple fact of the matter is that I spoke to the driver yesterday, who confirmed dropping Baker and Obama of at the hotel that night.
Now, you can fairly state that this isn't proof of an affair--which is what I stated as well--but I wish you'd quit hiding behind your own bigotry and hate.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 29, 2008 03:51 PM (HcgFD)
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Forget why the Corporate Media is not covering this...Why hasn't any GOP candidate brought this up?
If someone can post where any GOP candidate is citing this..cool.
If not? Why not?
If your Republican candidate is not raising this,
contact them and demand they do...find out why they have not done so...
Why are Republicans running for office afraid to cite the facts embraced by many here?
Posted by: nogopostal at October 29, 2008 03:51 PM (JL9w0)
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@nogopostal: this likely STARTED with the Clintonistas. I say 'likely' because although we can trace the hiring of certain firms to investigate, CONFIRMING who paid them is more difficult. We DO know that some of the funding came via California 'donors' who are strong Clinton backers.
Wolf
Posted by: Mr Wolf at October 29, 2008 03:55 PM (9v76h)
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If, before anybody sticks a microphone in her face, or offers her a millon bucks for the dirt, she is found on a beach somewhere with a typed suicide note and no blood or shell casings anywhere nearby, then we can just assume that none of this is true.
That is to say, I hope she understands her life is in mortal danger.
Posted by: Korla Pundit at October 29, 2008 05:25 PM (FHlAi)
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Korla,
Overdramatic, much?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 29, 2008 05:30 PM (HcgFD)
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Good job, CY.
Yes, there is info on Baker out there and at least one publication is chasing it very HARD. There may be something to add to your story in a substantial way in the next 48 hours, though I hope it comes before then.
Once again, nice legwork!
Posted by: mondo at October 29, 2008 10:53 PM (5oJQ5)
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Personally, I find this purient interest in possible sexual affairs disgusting. This is tabloid journalism attempting to destroy a politcian. ABC and the other networks may be checking if any validity so if the stories do break they are aware. But they may not wish to degrade themselves to be a scandal rag.
Personally I would enjoy Obama's destruction but this is a destructive device that anyone is susceptable to, so I have to deplore it . We really do not need this type of destrcutive journalism. If the American people can not decide based on the information of Ayers, Khalidi, Wright and Obama's owns utterings on the campaign trail, that McCain is the better choice, then we have to accept that fact. But I will not demean myself. This web site has been respectable at defending slander to our troops, so I suggest you refrain from similar behavior.
This is a first time commment from me since I generally read and not comment. Please rethink you strategy on this possible non story scandle.
Posted by: RAH at October 30, 2008 07:55 AM (86SUB)
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nogo,you still around I see.CY,this guy used to talk trash @wizbang till he got Thors hammer applied to his head.best keep an eye on this one.
btw,good post,lots of info. thx
Posted by: 1903A3 at October 30, 2008 08:15 AM (0JFRo)
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Mr. McCain's problem is that he is too senatorially civil; the honorable senator speak has eroded his attack pilot traits. Where is that man with the vicious temper that we have heard so much about? That was a reason I didn't support him in the primaries. We could use a bit of the carrier pilot and mad dog temper just now.
Posted by: amr at October 30, 2008 10:24 AM (I4yBD)
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Troy writes:
"Of course, McCain and his people will fail to exploit this issue even though marital nfidelity goes to the core of the character issue--certainly more than a 20-year-old DUI."
Er...McCain has admitted marital infidelity.
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Obama Praised Terrorist Spokesman
That, of course, isn't news.
What
is news is that the terrorist mouthpiece he supports, for once, isn't a domestic terrorist. Nope. this time, it's an alleged
PLO spokesman:
The Los Angeles Times is refusing to release a videotape that it says shows Barack Obama praising a Chicago professor who was an alleged mouthpiece for the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was a designated terrorist group in the 1970s and '80s.
According an LA Times article written by Peter Wallsten in April, Obama was a "friend and frequent dinner companion" of Rashid Khalidi, who from 1976 to 1982 was reportedly a director of the official Palestinian press agency, WAFA, which was operating in exile from Beirut with the PLO.
In the article -- based on the videotape obtained by the Times -- Wallsten said Obama addressed an audience during a 2003 farewell dinner for Khalidi, who was Obama's colleague at the University of Chicago, before his departure for Columbia University in New York. Obama said his many talks with Khalidi and his wife Mona stood as "consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases."
Khalidi, of course, has ties to—you guessed it—
Bill Ayers, as well as Obama.
Some are arguing that the LA.
Times is covering for Obama in a partisan manner by refusing to release the tape.
Who does this surprise?
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and yet, why doesn't this surprise...
A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank. (See grant number 5180, "West Bank: CPRS" on page 14 of this PDF.)
The relationship extends back as far as 1993, when John McCain joined IRI as chairman in January. Foreign Affairs noted in September of that year that IRI had helped fund several extensive studies in Palestine run by Khalidi's group, including over 30 public opinion polls and a study of "sociopolitical attitudes."
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The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - Web Reconnaissance for 10/29/2008 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.
Posted by: David M at October 29, 2008 10:24 AM (gIAM9)
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Fang -- It's OK if you're a Republican!!
Posted by: Red Phantom at October 29, 2008 04:40 PM (5M1HY)
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Fang, Red... I hereby declare that McCain was wrong to associate, even in the slimmest detail, with Rashid Khalidi.
Now, will you say that Obama was similarly wrong? I kinda doubt it, since the First Commandment of the Obamabots is "The One Can Do No Wrong."
And while you're thinking about that, was it wrong of Obama to spend 20 years in a church where the pastor was screaming "God d**n America," to launch his political career at the home of a man who not only bombed the Pentagon but later said he wished he'd done more, to associate himself with a Chicago slumlord?
I can't wait to see you condemn Obama for all those associations, since you seem so quick to condemn McCain for his.
Let me remind you (since it's probably taken you a while to read down this far): I condemn McCain just as much for associating with Khalidi as I condemn Obama. Let's see you guys be that fair and balanced, for a start.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 29, 2008 07:46 PM (sII0T)
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Oh give me a break fang; is that the best you truthers can come up with at Obama HQ?
McCain's "involvement," if you want to call it that, is foundation-to-foundation.
Obama's involvement is deeply personal, with the Khalidis and Obamas being friends that had dinner at each other's homes because they like each other and share similar, if not identical values, just like another couple Khalidi is thought to have been close to, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.
I honestly don't know what Barack Obama believes, and I don't think anyone else does, either. Lacking a record, his associations become even more important. Wherever he goes, Barack Obama finds himself in the company of radicals—terrorists both foreign and domestic, Marxists, Leninists, communists and socialists.
that should be enough to disqualify him in the minds of anyone who believes in capitalism and individual liberty.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 29, 2008 08:05 PM (HcgFD)
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I note Red Phantom has trolled in another thread today, yet not replied to this one... therefore I think it's safe to assume that I was right in that he won't condemn Obama even for the same association he condemns McCain for, not to mention all Obama's other radical associations.
Chalk up one for me.
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Increasingly Clingy Americans Finally Get Media Attention
You've got to hand it to the media... now they're only 19 days behind the curve.
These reports come via Drudge, from local Florida stations.
Obama is a proven gun-grabber who went so far as to try to subvert the Constitution by
corrupting legal scholarship, and most expect he will rubber-stamp Congressional attempts to reinstate the free speech restrictions that Democrats like to call the Fairness Doctrine... I can't imagine why people would feel concerned about their rights.
If Obama wins the White House, and Democrats collect as many seats in the House and Senate as most experts predict, then we
will have attempts to reinstate failed gun bans by the far leftists in charge.
Frankly, I'm only surprised that sales in Florida are just up 10-30-percent.
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The gun fondlers really dodged a bullet that you didn't nominate Giuliani. He went on a huge gun-confiscating bender in NYC. Good job!
Posted by: Toyboat at October 29, 2008 04:54 PM (cC3Yf)
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There are enough of us gun owners in Tx that we will secede before letting the liberal northern dems tell us to turn our guns in. Also, they would have to find them first.
Everyone I know here except far left libs has at least one, and most many guns. There are a lot of ways to conceal guns and ammo. I believe it would be suicidal for Obama to push a ban and win. He wouldn't last a year. The reason for the 2nd amendment is precisely for this reason.
Posted by: Marc Boyd at October 29, 2008 06:06 PM (Zoziv)
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Thank God for the decision in District of Columbia v. Heller, otherwise I would be much more worried. But I agree with Marc Boyd, I'll bury my guns in the woods before I'll turn them in.
Posted by: Eric at October 30, 2008 02:11 PM (Eg+DG)
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"There are enough of us gun owners in Tx that we will secede before letting the liberal northern dems tell us to turn our guns in. Also, they would have to find them first."
You tried to bring terrorism to the United States of America by seceding in the 19th century. Your State's
feeble attempts to hate failed then and your hate of the United States are less welcome now...
If you feel so inclined after Obama's election...you can always move to the Tora Bora region and join forces with bin Laden...He hates us too.
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Ummm, nogopostal, the Civil War was a conventional war, not terrorism. In fact, it was one of the last wars where civilians were not targeted extensively. The comparison between them and the Taliban is a big stretch. I wonder if you were the type to scream about Bush being a dictator these past years?
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CONFIRMED: North Carolina Ballots/Procedures Are Costing Presidential Votes
McClatchy is reporting that the North Carolina ballot design is going to screw up the election.
North Carolina voters are more likely than those in other states to cast ballots in national elections without making a choice for president.
Unlike many states, a straight-party vote in North Carolina does not cast a vote for president. A ballot expert says the split makes it more likely that voters, especially new voters, will leave their polling places failing, by mistake, to vote for president.
The split between presidential and straight-party votes has brought the state national attention this year because the margin between Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain is expected to be close, and North Carolina's electoral votes would be a prize for either candidate.
An unusually high percentage of people in the state who voted in the past two national elections failed to mark a presidential selection.
Because of the confusion, poll workers are supposed to let voters know that they need to cast presidential votes separately from their straight ticket votes:
Last week, state elections officials instructed local workers to tell voters about the need for separate votes, and sent poll workers written instructions to distribute to voters.
I can state with absolute certainty that the notification
is not occurring consistently. My youngest brother and his wife voted in Pitt County last week, and my brother overhead a poll worker tell his wife that they needed to cast votes separately, but they were not addressing every individual. Likewise, they didn't say anything in earshot of me when my wife and I voted last week in Wake County, though that hardly mattered as I wasn't voting straight ticket anyway.
I think, however, that hyping North Carolina as "the next Florida" is a bit much, and in my opinion, a fear-mongering attempt to "prep the battlespace" for a legal fight if North Carolina's electoral votes become decisive.
The thing is, this is really only going to affect people who don't read instructions, and that is a non-partisan issue, isn't it?
Update: Just talked with my father, who votes in another Pitt County precinct. Poll workers
did not explain the need to cast a separate Presidential vote, just that if they wanted to vote straight ticket, there is a spot of that on the ballot for that.
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CY, there are sample ballots for viewing here:
http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/content.aspx?id=93
Click Sample Ballot link and then click on a county to see one. It's not rocket science and only those who can't read will make the mistake. Even so, the structure, as I first looked at it and if in haste was to execute my vote, would cause me to mark my vote for president before I even knew I had the option of straight party voting.
That's not to say the voting inspectors shouldn't follow the guidelines for their job. If they should be informing those signing in to vote, then they should be doing it.
Posted by: Dusty at October 28, 2008 10:38 AM (Mlw0p)
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Just saw your update. If they are informing voters there is a straight party option, that would be cause for concern, particularly since it is a lie. The Presidential candidates are in parties, and since they are not included in the voting option for straight party, it is not "straight party", it is a partial state party option.
Posted by: Dusty at October 28, 2008 10:43 AM (Mlw0p)
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Why is "straight party voting" allowed anyway.
Let's force the voters to at least THINK for a second about who they are voting for.
Posted by: SSG Jeff (USAR) at October 28, 2008 11:08 AM (UrQ4c)
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Isn't that why people belong to parties--conservative GOP or leftist illuminati? So they don't have to think? Kidding, kinda.
Posted by: jeanedcrusader at October 28, 2008 11:12 AM (gM6DH)
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They didn't tell me at the early voting place either. However, since I am not a complete and utter moron, I followed the printed instructions and acted accordingly.
Posted by: HKpistole at October 28, 2008 01:46 PM (/j9KS)
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Well, having looked at a sample ballot, that was different. Having only voted in Nevada, I would've assumed that "straight party voting" simply meant you went through the ballot and selected all of the $YOUR_PARTY candidates. It wouldn't have occurred to me that there would be a separate part of the ballot where you could do the same thing with just one selection.
According to the linked article, it was the Democrats who separated the presidential election from other races in time for the 1968 election. It now appears that they may be hoist by their own petard.
Ain't schadenfreude great? :-)
Posted by: salfter at October 28, 2008 02:33 PM (x/yBN)
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Well, having looked at a sample ballot, that was different. Having only voted in Nevada, I would've assumed that "straight party voting" simply meant you went through the ballot and selected all of the $PARTY candidates. It wouldn't have occurred to me that there would be a separate part of the ballot where you could do the same thing with just one selection.
According to the linked article, it was the Democrats who separated the presidential election from other races in time for the 1968 election. It now appears that they may be hoist by their own petard.
Ain't schadenfreude great? :-)
Posted by: salfter at October 28, 2008 03:00 PM (x/yBN)
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Crap...didn't mean to double-post, but my post didn't show up at first. One of the dupes needs to go away (and this post with it).
Posted by: salfter at October 28, 2008 03:02 PM (x/yBN)
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It's a sad day when the future of the country rests of the dumbest constituents of the dumbest party. But isn't it always so?
Posted by: vanderleun at October 28, 2008 04:14 PM (s0k8A)
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I know what ya mean, vanderleun. It's a shame when a national party runs a ticket whose members between them:
* think there's 57 states (maybe more)
* think that "JOBS" is a 3-letter word
* think that Roosevelt was President in 1929
* think that TV was widely used in 1929
...I could go on, but there seems to be no need.
Truly a shame, tho.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 28, 2008 06:41 PM (sII0T)
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Following Rusty's advice, I found after pulling up the ballet for my former county it is readily apparent that the good folks in that county do not know what the common definition of "Straight Party" ticket is.
Posted by: Drive By Druid at October 28, 2008 07:04 PM (p9EDF)
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I early voted in Chatham County, NC and if not instructed by my poll worker, would have most likely not caught this and just voted straight Republican. You're right, it's a recipe for disaster in a very important swing state. I cannot believe how many northern liberals have moved into this state and brought their rotten politics with them. Not to mention those liberals in academia who infest the UNC Campus in Chapel Hill.
Posted by: Hillman at October 29, 2008 06:19 AM (ktAZq)
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I voted in Wake Co (NC) yesterday and the poll workers were handing out little slips of paper that state straight tick did not include the presidential vote.
Posted by: keg at October 29, 2008 11:51 AM (oiTWZ)
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I voted yesterday in Asheville and they also provided me with a slip of pink paper that explained that straight party vote did not include voting for president and vice president.
Posted by: Matt at October 29, 2008 04:00 PM (4O+5s)
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I'll be voting in Union County Tuesday and I think I'll be able to figure it out without any help. If I needed help voting I wouldn't waste my time.
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at October 29, 2008 10:40 PM (vuXJQ)
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I live in wake county but am registered in davidson county. I voted yesterday and they passed a piece of paper that explained everything
Posted by: Brandon at October 30, 2008 04:33 PM (GO2e9)
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Eyewitness to the Revolution
Several days ago I created something of a fuss when I linked to a clip of FBI informant Larry Grathwohl, where he revealed that the domestic terrorists known as the Weather Underground plotted to kill 25 million Americans in Soviet-style reeducation camps.
I asked, "well what is going to happen to those people we can't reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?" and the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated.
And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers.
And when I say "eliminate," I mean "kill."
Twenty-five million people.
I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.
And they were dead serious.
Thanks to
CL Lucas, I found Larry Grathwohl and
interviewed him this past weekend about the Weathermen, their leaders then and now, and what he thinks about the relationship between Bill Ayers and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
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Damn anarchists. All they can do is burn things down and kill people. They have no plan for actually administering their tender mercies to the populace, because they don't want to think their way past their glorious ascension to power.
Obama is such.
Posted by: Joan of Argghh! at October 28, 2008 06:48 AM (eDdOG)
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Sounds like the Wannsee Conference, but with more expansive goals. But of course, it couldn't happen here.
Posted by: Tregonsee at October 28, 2008 07:48 AM (eeaGP)
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Now you've done it CY. I bet you get cut off from interviews just like WFTV reporter Barbara West after her Biden interview.
/sarc
Good job shining the light of truth.
Posted by: Georg Felis at October 28, 2008 09:11 AM (blxnx)
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People think you have to be ignorant or deranged to make decisions to kill 25 million people, like one of those cult leaders who goes to a mountain top and makes his followers drink poison. This frightening account proves that the more educated you are, the more elite you are, the more dangerous you can be. Keep the liberal illuminati radicals away from the White House.
Posted by: jeanedcrusader at October 28, 2008 11:16 AM (gM6DH)
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I had a similar experience...
I want you to imagine sitting in a room with people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for sleeping with 25 celebrities and supermodels.
And they were dead serious.
Their list? Chilling:
Heidi Klum
Scarlett Johansson
Anne V
Tori Praver
Natalie Portman
Megan Fox
...
Uh, I cannot go on.
Needless to say, after taking over Amerikkka (their spelling) in an ingenious Coup d'état (the details of which I will not reveal to preserve the safety of the Confederacy) their plan was to have a "ratio of ten women to each man [which would] necessitate the abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship ... as far as men were concerned...." Fortunately, "since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature."
Posted by: Ugh at October 28, 2008 07:20 PM (cE3KF)
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How is that Rashid Khalidi link to Obama working out?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/mccain-funded-work-of-pal_n_138606.html
Posted by: nogopostal at October 29, 2008 04:29 AM (JL9w0)
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Anyone know why the link is no longer available?
Posted by: Phil at November 01, 2008 09:45 PM (Pson9)
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The Socialist Who Compared Americans to Nazis
Yes... Barack Obama went there (my bold):
...just to take a, sort of a realist perspective...there's a lot of change going on outside of the Court, um, that, that judges essentially have to take judicial notice of. I mean you've got World War II, you've got uh, uh, uh, the doctrines of Nazism, that, that we are fighting against, that start looking uncomfortably similar to what we have going on, back here at home.
The interview this was culled from took place on September 6, 2001, roughly around the same time his friend and mentor Bill Ayers lamented to the NY
Times that he "didn't do enough," as a terrorist, and
left open the possibility of once again engaging in bombings in an interview that infamously ran on 9/11.
Barack Obama is such a radical that prior to the worse terror attacks in our nation's history, when most Americans were blissfully unaware of al Qaeda or Osama bin Laden, he was comparing our government, which had in less than nine months prior transitioned from Clinton to Bush, to Hitler's.
With her husband holding radical views like this about our nation, it's no wonder why Michelle has such a hard time being proud of her country.
It's the company you keep.
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How often have we heard from the Lefty whiners that it's just too darn rude to call Barack Obama or like minded Democrats, hippies, criminals, lunatics or whatever "Socialist". Sure, spreading the wealth around for the sake of metaphysical equity is anyone's definition of socialism, sure Barack did and does demonstrate and state that he EXPLICITLY agrees with that but let's keep the tone on a higher plane, would you please? What a farce. Show ZERO patience for this witless claptrap from your sons, sons-in-law or your own sainted mother. We ain't Nazis. They ARE Commies. It's time for the rectification of names.
Posted by: megapotamus at October 28, 2008 08:07 AM (v6yzu)
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Let us remember, Nazi is short for "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" which translates to "National Socialist German Workers' Party" (emphasis mine).
In short, the Nazis were Socialists. Plain and simple, even the full name says so.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 28, 2008 06:07 PM (sII0T)
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CRY ME A RIVER! It's over!!
Posted by: nick78 at November 03, 2008 07:56 PM (uxcMq)
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Beavis & Butthead Join the Skinheads
What Morons.
According to the
Smoking Gun, these racist idjits were too afraid to try to rob a house with a dog in the yard, and yet they talked of walking into a predominately black school to shoot it up before decapitating people?
Somehow, I suspect they wouldn't be able to get through the school's front door without slipping and falling in fear-induced torrents of their own urine, and I doubt they could debone a chicken, much less stomach decapitating someone.
Let's throw the book at these fools, and keep them in jail a very long time.
Hot Air has more.
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Posted by: C-C-G at October 27, 2008 06:12 PM (sII0T)
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Lock 'em up & throw away the key. Of course, you probably wouldn't have to lock the door to the cell. Turning the door knob might baffle them.
Posted by: Zhombre at October 27, 2008 07:54 PM (WfSvm)
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Zhombre, maybe a twist-tie securing the door to the frame, just for extra security.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 27, 2008 08:27 PM (sII0T)
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I live in East Tennessee and I've heard several times that Obama will never make it past a couple months in office. Many here seem to believe that he will be assassinated if he gets elected. It really suprised me when I heard it from a high school kid at the grocery the other day. Then I heard it again today in an insurance office. I've heard it other places too. That crap is NOT what I want to hear. I have no use for Obama of any of his type, but we are America and the VOTE is what works around here. These idiot "skinheads" were probably so tanked up on drugs they thought they were "10 feet tall and bulletproof"....sounds like a real drug dream thing to me. I hope it is anyway.
Posted by: Tonto (USA) at October 27, 2008 10:14 PM (Qv1xF)
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This stuff is getting old. What is this the second time people have been arrested trying to kill obama? It is painfully clear that there are still plenty of old-school racists out there that we need to distance ourselves from. We need to be vigilant advocates of our beliefs, but careful not to fan the flames of intolerance.
Posted by: Bman at October 27, 2008 10:41 PM (n1vq5)
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I am not even sure if Pravda could convince me that this was a serious plot from what I have read.
According to Yahoo, their plan was to dress up in white tuxedos and top hats while they killed? I mean I am known for making a dramatic fashion from time to time, but seriously?
These nogoodniks indeed deserve the gulag if the claims against them are true.
Posted by: Comrade Doktor Nyet at October 27, 2008 10:54 PM (FX8pA)
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Have you seen the picture of one of these punks posted at Crittenden's blog? A "skinhead" who doesn't have a shaved head but does wear glasses and lipstick? I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut, but has anyone looked into the possibility that this was an elaborate hoax staged to make the Socialist Snob's foes look bad?
Posted by: wolfwalker at October 28, 2008 06:51 AM (zpPCd)
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yes, I saw the pics... I don't think that he has any makeup on, just that he is rather delicate.
I'm sure that will be a feature in prison that his new best friends will come to admire.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 28, 2008 06:58 AM (HcgFD)
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"It is painfully clear that there are still plenty of old-school racists out there that we need to distance ourselves from. We need to be vigilant advocates of our beliefs, but careful not to fan the flames of intolerance."
Oops. Too late.
Posted by: luigi vuoto at October 28, 2008 11:05 AM (Ry+oc)
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"I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut, but has anyone looked into the possibility that this was an elaborate hoax staged to make the Socialist Snob's foes look bad?"
It doesn't necessarily have to involve any elaborate staging, these people are probably just what they appear to be. But I don't think it would be such a stretch that some Obama supporter who happened to know them might covertly goad them into doing something like this, just so they could say, "See? We told you McCain was stirring up hate."
Posted by: tempus at October 28, 2008 11:07 AM (acDUM)
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Ah, and I see someone was doing just that even as I was posting the previous comment. Nice try, Luigi.
Posted by: tempus at October 28, 2008 11:10 AM (acDUM)
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CY, your comment triggered a thought: a large number of commenters at the conservative blogs I read are condemning the "plot to kill Obama" and then in the next sentence snickering cruelly at the prospect of these dirtbags becoming victims of violent abuse in prison.
Does no one else see a slight inconsistency here? Why should we care any more -- or any less -- about protecting the Snob from violence he stirred up than about protecting these (or any other) punks from violence that they stirred up?
Posted by: wolfwalker at October 28, 2008 12:47 PM (zpPCd)
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"about protecting the Snob from violence he stirred" - wolfwalker
Ya, how dare "the snob" be openly half-black, he just asking for it. THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE !!!
Posted by: Nathan at October 28, 2008 06:28 PM (QV6CC)
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Wrong, idiot.
I don't give a damn what color he is -- black, white, red, bronze, brown, or pink with purple polka dots. Or any mixture thereof. He's stirring up violence by what he says and by the behavior he encourages in his followers.
Posted by: wolfwalker at October 28, 2008 06:52 PM (zpPCd)
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Oh, and lest anyone repeat Nathan's misunderstanding: I am not advocating anything except consistency in one's attitudes. Punish people for breaking the law, as specified by the law. All people. All should be equal before the law, regardless of their background. But nothing further. Even scum like race-supremacists don't deserve the kind of jailhouse abuse you're so casually wishing on them.
Posted by: wolfwalker at October 28, 2008 07:18 PM (zpPCd)
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wolfwalker,
If I may posit, I believe the reason "a large number of commenters ..." believe the Justice System as it is does not actually punish criminals for their crimes. Therefore, they (I include myself) see 'jailhouse violence' as the punishment the System fails to deliver.
Thus, they don't have a problem 'not condeming it'.
Posted by: Mark at October 28, 2008 09:01 PM (w/olL)
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Just A Guy in My Neighborhood
I first met Joey Bozik and his wife Jayme last Monday. It just a quick chat between the new couple about to move into the neighborhood and someone who has been there a little while. Today, they got the keys to their new home. It happens every day, right?
A Hero's Homecoming: Jayme and Sgt. Joey Bozik. Jayme is due with their first child Christmas Eve. Joey's jacket? Kevlar.
Not unless you consider having your keys parachuted by the
Black Daggers after an overflight and landing by a flight of Blackhawks in the neighborhood "normal."
Airborne Express: SOCOM's Black Dagger jumpers brought the keys to the Bozik's new home.
Blackhawks Down Home:A flight of three Blackhawks overflew the ceremonies before landing on some of the undeveloped lots in the neighborhood.
I took some more pictures that I will post later and I'll write a bit more about Operation: Coming Home in the weeks ahead, but in the meantime, here is an account of Sgt. Joey Bozik's homecoming that
should warm your heart:
The house was built by Operation Coming Home, a group of military veterans who are now real estate agents and home builders. All the material and labor were donated.
The mission of "Operation Coming Home" is to provide injured war veterans with free houses that they call "Hero Homes." Bozik was the first recipient.
The home was built with special features to make Bozik's life easier, including radiant heat floors, easy-access cabinets, a sprinkler system and appliances with special hinges and levers that make opening doors easier.
Bozik and his pregnant wife were moving in Monday, because Oct. 27 is his "Alive Day" – the anniversary of the day he came out of coma from his injuries.
Veteran's and volunteers in the community provided the lot, the labor, materials and furnishing to say "thank you" to a soldier and his wife for the sacrifices they have made in defense of liberty.
There's a right way to spread the wealth around.
It happened here, and
with your help, it will happen again.
Update:One of Joey and Jayme's biggest supporters is milblogger
Blackfive, who has an extensive trove of articles about what they gone through to get to where they are today.
Original
First Update (pictures)
Second Update
Third
Fourth
Fifth (pictures)
Sixth (pictures)
Seventh (wedding pictures)
Eighth
Ninth (Love Story)
Tenth (Green Ramp Reunion - pictures)
Eleventh (Welcome Home! - pictures)
Twelvth (Joey and Phil Mikelson team up)
Thirteenth (pictures)
Fourteenth
Fifteenth
Sixteenth (White House Visit)
Seventeenth
Eighteenth (Receives Bronze Star)
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Wow, this is so wonderful to see!! God bless 'em. What a love story they have. And how blessed they are to live in your neighborhood!
Also, thanks for posting all the links to Blackfive. Matt always kept us up to date on this wonderful family, and kept up the spiritual warfare on their behalf. He's one fantastic guy!
And thanks for all you do, too, Bob.
Posted by: Maggie45 at October 27, 2008 03:29 PM (VTYPR)
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God bless 'em, one and all.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 27, 2008 05:00 PM (sII0T)
Posted by: Dan Irving at October 27, 2008 07:03 PM (Kw4jM)
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Nice. What a great story.
Posted by: Pablo at October 28, 2008 12:15 AM (yTndK)
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Hi,
I am Joey's mom, Gail. I just want to say "thank you" for this article. The pictures are great.
Yes, Blackfive, Matt, really helped Joey's name and donations. Also, Soldier's Angels, Patti Bader, helped us greatly when the tragedy happened on Oct. 27th, 2004. Joey is my inspiration too. I, as his mom, could not have made it without his precious spirit and outlook. God has a plan for him. Just pray Joey obeys.
Love,
Gail Bozik
Posted by: Gail Bozik at October 28, 2008 07:03 PM (GAf+S)
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That was a great, great article.
That guy sounds pretty cool.
Posted by: brando at October 28, 2008 11:43 PM (ttotQ)
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