October 27, 2008
Presidential Dance Off
Mild content warning for profanity, but pretty amusing all the same.
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Break dot com is a low rent college collage of booze, barf & babes videos and pics.
Yet, this content has been removed.
WTF??
Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at October 27, 2008 05:03 PM (nDaZn)
October 25, 2008
New Docs Surfaces, Showing Photos of Obama As New Party Candidate
New Zeal has the goods, which leave no doubt at all that Barack Obama was part of the New Party, a fusion party of radical leftists outside the mainstream of the Democratic Party, and generally comprised of and supported by socialists and various communists.
As New Zeal explains at the link, the New Party used unethical election tricks to get elected, and was later effectively destroyed by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1997.As Gateway Pundit notes, there is little surprise that a socialist like Obama would want to "spread the wealth around." My question to the American voter is simple: can you name one socialist-led country that has ever been nearly the success story the United States has been? And if you can't name a socialist country as successful as the United States, why would you consider electing a candidate that would make us less successful as a nation, and make you less successful as an individual?
The New Party exploited the concept of electoral "fusion," which enabled candidates to run on two tickets simultaneously. If a candidate ran as a Democrat and for the New Party, he or she would be on the ballot twice and could attract the votes of both centrist Democrats and leftist New Party supporters. Both votes would be totalled giving the candidate a much greater chance of winning the election. Using this tactic, the New Party succeeded in electing hundreds candidates to local office in several states. "Fusion" was rendered ineffective by a Supreme Court decision on 28 April 1997 written by Justice William H Rehnquist, leading to the collapse of the New Party and similar efforts nationwide.
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B) the rich have a LOWER tax rate
C) Obama plans to raise taxes on the RICH
D) That's the fat cats paying there FAIR SHARE not Socialmism
Posted by: Red Phantom at October 25, 2008 01:52 PM (m4Jni)
How do I get my fair share of unemployment benefits when I have a job?
How do I get my fair share of free health care, when I pay for my own insurance?
How do I get my fair share of free legal aid, when I hire my own lawyer?
So unless the "fat cats" are unemployed, uncovered, and unlawyered, they aren't paying "there (sic) FAIR SHARE", they are are paying for everyone else...
Posted by: Adriane at October 25, 2008 02:12 PM (wJlIy)
I wasn't talking about who gets the benefits! I'm talking about who PAYS for them! Why should I have to pay a HIGHER percent of my income than the fat cats? Most everyone is middle class. The higher class ought to pay the same rate or better.
Posted by: Red Phantom at October 25, 2008 02:16 PM (m4Jni)
In 2005 (the latest year I could find data on), the top 10% of earners already pay nearly 55% of the total tax revenues! And that number has been on an upward trend since 2002 when it was "only" a little over 49%. And that's total taxes, if we look only at individual taxes, it's even worse, in 2005 the top 10% paid nearly 73% of the individual tax revenues. And that number has been rising steadily at least since 1979 (the oldest year I can find data for). (Source)
Now, tell me again that "the rich" don't pay enough taxes, and I'll laugh in your face.
See, if you'd read back a ways, you'd have realized how much "The Rich" really pay.
Now go back to Kos, willya?
Posted by: C-C-G at October 25, 2008 02:18 PM (sII0T)
I'm not talking about HOW MUCH they pay! I'm talking about the RATE they pay! Sheesh. You're proving the fat cats have alot of income. I KNEW that!! Can't you understand the difference between income and tax rate.
Posted by: Red Phantom at October 25, 2008 02:43 PM (m4Jni)
Here is the data on the tax rates. And they completely debunk your wacko theory.
We'll take just single people for ease of comparison... here's the tax brackets for 2008:
$0-8,025 pays 10%
$8,025-32,550 pays 15%
$32,550-78,850 pays 25%
78,850-164,550 pays 28%
164,550-357,700 pays 33%
Over 357,700 pays 35%
In short, what you say you want is already happening! And although the dollar amounts and tax rates have changed over the years, the higher incomes have paid higher taxes at least since 1944 (the last year I could find data for).
Please go back to Kos now. You've made yourself look quite foolish enough here for one day.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 25, 2008 02:54 PM (sII0T)
Posted by: Mahon at October 25, 2008 02:56 PM (VBFow)
That's what I get for typing too fast.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 25, 2008 02:57 PM (sII0T)
That's Income Tax! The rich don't earn their money with wages generally but with investments which get less tax. Fine show to call me names and be so ignorant yourself.
Posted by: Red Phantom at October 25, 2008 03:01 PM (m4Jni)
Guess what... "The Rich" still pay higher effective tax rates.
Maybe it's time for you to do some research of your own so you quit looking so stupid. Unless you enjoy being proven wrong time after time after time.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 25, 2008 03:07 PM (sII0T)
Company profits and capital gains in the US are already 2nd highest on the planet. I guess they need to be higher to reduce profit and investment. That'll work!
Posted by: Brian H at October 25, 2008 04:01 PM (eZsXx)
Anyone who wants more goodies from the government are thieves.
Posted by: Purple Raider at October 25, 2008 04:27 PM (GEy/X)
It's not "fair" for one group to pay a higher rate than another group, regardless of how much the first group makes.
The fairest tax is the flat tax. I pay a given percentage (say 20% for the sake of the argument), you pay 20%, Bill Gates pays 20%. That's truly fair.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 25, 2008 04:51 PM (sII0T)
Posted by: Conservative CBU at October 26, 2008 12:12 AM (M+Vfm)
Yesterday on my way to lunch, I passed one of the homeless guys in the area, who displayed a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money."
Once inside the greasy spoon eatery my waiter wore an "Obama '08" tee shirt.
When the bill came, I decided not to tip the waiter and explained to him while he had given appropriate service, that his tee shirt caused me to think he must believe in Senator Obama's socialistic plan to redistribute the wealth.
I told him I was going to redistribute his tip to someone that I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. He stood there in abject,
stark, and degrading disbelief... and suddenly he furiously stormed away.
I went outside, gave the homeless guy $3 and told him to thank the waiter inside, as I figured he could use the money more. The homeless guy
looked at me in disbelief but he, the wretch and sore on humanity that he is, condescendingly acted gratefully.
As I got in my used, new to me, F150 King Ranch pick-up truck, I realized this atypical, hade-tree mechanic type expert experiment, was
under the circumstances an apropos unscientific redistribution experiment... it had left the homeless guy quite happy for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was furiously angry that I gave away the money he did earn.
Well, I guess this redistribution of wealth is going to take a while to catch on....mostly by those doing the work, eh?
Posted by: gamblin at October 26, 2008 10:47 AM (KK/Lm)
lol - the same story, with some small differences, appears here:
http://idiotsforobama.com/blog/2008/10/24/a-funny-example-of-wealth-redistribution-pay-attention-liberals-it-might-hurt/
Posted by: tempus at October 26, 2008 11:08 AM (acDUM)
If you bonk'em hard enough they'll move to muni bonds -- which are tax free, or move their money completely offshore like what happened when the Brit labor govt raided their tax rate to over 100% 25 or so years ago and all the rich rock stars fled to France.
The rich didn't get rich by being stupid.
Posted by: PA at October 26, 2008 03:15 PM (OqXyp)
"Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece
By the way, this rich man was complaining about NOT paying ENOUGH taxes and thought it was absolutely ludicrous that the top 1% got away with not paying a higher percentage.
Posted by: Wilson at October 26, 2008 03:37 PM (lDzHl)
I will believe this nonsense about socialism when all the rightwing nutjobs start opting out of Medicare and Social Security, otherwise take your goverment handout and shut up.
Posted by: Wilsonq at October 26, 2008 04:06 PM (lDzHl)
You've already outed yourself as a dyed-in-the-wool socialist and Obamabot, you may as well leave now.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 26, 2008 04:22 PM (sII0T)
Posted by: Paul at October 27, 2008 11:12 AM (TqjJ4)
The simple answer is that "success" is not success if it is uneven. For the radical egalitarians the bell curve is a yoke of oppression, so much so that an ACTUAL yoke of oppression seems preferable. We cannot all be equally rich though we can all get richer as the sweep of human history demonstrates. We can all however be made equally poor. That is Barack's aspiration though the poverty will not extend to his noble self or his cronies. At least not intentionally. With the markets pricing in the Barack Depression though it may incidentally pull in one or two senior Obots but not Ayers, whose wealth puts him in the stratosphere of such comparisons or Wright who has decamped, taking his compensation in real estate.
Posted by: megapotamus at October 27, 2008 03:28 PM (LF+qW)
If folks really believe in the GOP less regulation/free market/ philosophy has worked for you and family and neighbors...then vote GOP.
But don't be shocked...or blame it on the media..
when the Bush/Cheney/Rove (Stevens) etc...way of doing business is repudiated next Tuesday.
Posted by: nogopostal at October 27, 2008 04:53 PM (JL9w0)
Now tell me his W2 pay stub "salary". I bet its near zero. He took it all as capital gain. Anyone with a corporation who isn't a retard always works that angle.
Of course you can jack up the capital gain tax, then have all the retired people looking lynch you because their CD's and pension plans will get clobbered.
Posted by: PA at October 27, 2008 08:57 PM (OqXyp)
October 24, 2008
My Name Is Barack Obama, and I Approve This Mistress
Bill Clinton.
John Edwards. And now, apparently, Barack Obama. There seems to be something about the kind of narcissist that runs for higher office that impedes them from keeping their pants on, and the Greek tragedy may be happening again. We've been hearing the name of one of Barack Obama's alleged mistresses for weeks (and I'm sure many of you have as well), but I didn't want to publish it without a credible source backing it. The guys at Blackfive have that credible source, and they're putting the name of Barack Obama's alleged mistress out there:Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 11:06 PM | Comments (81) | Add Comment | Trackbacks (Suck)
Posted by: Fox2! at October 25, 2008 12:33 AM (nTLxP)
heh..I am sure Obama's strong sense of personal honor would require him to do just that.
And I think the press has it wrong. Anyone listening to Michelle Obama would probably sympathize with Barack on his need to find sane companionship.
Posted by: iconoclast at October 25, 2008 01:54 AM (H7W5x)
I disagree. The LeftStreamMedia are far more interested in getting their guy in office. Once he's there they can and will use the same argument they did with Clinton... it's all about sex. If The One can get a pass with all his known radical allies, this will be a 'there is no there there' issue.
And with the liberalist trifecta in power the U.S. will drift inexorably and permanently toward Euro socialism. Unless we all realize this race isn't over and send McCain to 1600 Pennsylvania.
Posted by: rocksandbroncs at October 25, 2008 03:15 AM (xlhtT)
Posted by: Clemond N. Flinch at October 25, 2008 05:07 AM (xH5To)
So, win-win for them.
Posted by: ThomasD at October 25, 2008 05:39 AM (21H5U)
I mentioned Edwards and Clinton because they were the most recent examples of those either in the White House or seeking it when exposed having an affair.
Likewise, as I was focusing on POTUS, Spitzer and Patterson never my mind, either.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 25, 2008 06:43 AM (HcgFD)
Affairs aside; it appears to me that the bigger story is not that Obama messed around on his wife, it's that it is highly probable that the guy who runs the 'city that stinks like a whore-house in low-tide' is involved in covering-up the affair along side Michelle Obama.
Posted by: syn at October 25, 2008 07:21 AM (wHjlx)
Posted by: bill-tb at October 25, 2008 07:46 AM (7evkT)
Posted by: William Teach at October 25, 2008 07:55 AM (QvqOD)
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Posted by: Dan Irving at October 25, 2008 08:58 AM (Kw4jM)
Even more important, unlike with His Majesty, Saturday Night Live would have a field day with Biden every week--the material would write itself.
Joe Biden: He's the new Gerald Ford!
Posted by: MarkJ at October 25, 2008 09:58 AM (IKzfP)
Posted by: jeanedcrusader at October 25, 2008 10:02 AM (gM6DH)
Also, I heard the rumor some time ago and the real weight of the discovery was her financial doings prior to and then with the campaign. She is involved with some very shady financial dealings and ThatPath was deemed more scary.(Sorry, can't remember where i saw it but someone has researched it)
Posted by: gael at October 25, 2008 10:09 AM (Ip9qZ)
So, if this information is true about Obama, that means he's in the company of the adulterous Republican candidate for president.
Move along, kids. Guys with egos have been sticking their appendages in women to whom they aren't married for a looooong time.
Posted by: Constant Reader at October 25, 2008 10:18 AM (26Uck)
I also find it doubtful that Obama would win the presidency if this was run in the MSM in coming days, especially if "proud for the first time" Michelle Obama is part of the attempt to shuffle Baker to Martinique, and is complicit in the cover-up for her own naked ambitions as others are alleging.
It's called moral character. Some of us still care about it.
And before you go there, yeah, McCain did the same thing (long ago), and he's a scumbag, too. I don't like either man, and just find McCain the lesser of two evils as a policy matter, and the least likely to screw up the country until we can (hopefully) get decent candidates on both sides in 2012.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 25, 2008 10:47 AM (HcgFD)
John McCain is not a perfect human being. None of us are. Infidelty is a serious matter as it does speak to character. What I find refreshing about John McCain is this-When Rick Warren asked him what his great moral failure was, without hesitation he said it was the failure of his first marriage. In front of millions of people, he admited his error. He did not blame it on his time in captivity. He did not blame it on Carol. He simply stated that it was he who had failed. It was 20+ years ago and he has paid his dues, led a faithful life, and served this country well. I'm not going to hold it over him at this point.
Funny, Obama can't even admit to hearing racial hatred spewed from his preacher for 20 years. Nor can he admit that he paid a front group for ACORN $800K to canvass for him during the primaries. He can't admit he knew Bill Ayers was an unrepentent terrorist friend. I highly doubt he will be forthcoming about this. I, for one, hope this does come out. Won't Hillary supporters be thrilled to wonder what might have been. Heh.
Posted by: c17wife at October 25, 2008 11:05 AM (/od+/)
Posted by: Clayton, in Mississippi at October 25, 2008 11:19 AM (Rf0UY)
The choice of Sarah Palin strikes me as a painful and embarrassing gimmick that demonstrates contempt for the United States and an underestimation of the intelligence of its citizenry and an overestimation of the desperation of our nation's female population to just want to see a woman in the White House. Yankee, I agree with you in praying we have better choices on both sides come 2012.
Posted by: Constant Reader at October 25, 2008 11:47 AM (26Uck)
Posted by: gael at October 25, 2008 12:15 PM (Ip9qZ)
If the answer is no, and I suspect it is, then I have another question: What are you doing here?
Let's be up front and honest about your motives before we get into any sort of serious discussion.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 25, 2008 12:41 PM (sII0T)
Posted by: tjproudamerican at October 25, 2008 01:59 PM (FlB9m)
I suspect that we've got a lot of Obamabots infesting this blog, and I'm sick and tired of wasting time and bandwidth arguing with those who are not going to change their mind.
So, answer my questions, and then we can discuss the possibility of the story being true.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 25, 2008 02:14 PM (sII0T)
Posted by: Federale at October 25, 2008 03:43 PM (arbSw)
I agree moral fiber is important however, the noble intelligentsia of our culture apparently are quite enamored with the Presdiential candidate who built his entire political career in the city which 'stinks like a whore-house in low-tide.'
That said; as a woman one thing I do appreciate and admire about Gov Palin, she has no use for those outdated feminists laws of weak victimhood in order to live a full and complete life.
I'll take a pioneer woman anytime, she isn't afraid to break her fingernails like so many precious feminists women.
Posted by: syn at October 25, 2008 05:52 PM (wHjlx)
So, if this information is true about Obama, that means he's in the company of the adulterous Republican candidate for president.
Move along, kids. Guys with egos have been sticking their appendages in women to whom they aren't married for a looooong time.
Posted by: Constant Reader at October 25, 2008 10:18 AM"
Would like to point out to you that never once has John McCain's first wife said anything derogatory about him. I'm sure she could have ruined his career and made millions and she has never said a word. Why do you suppose that is? could it be that they understand one another and have raised children together and she has no reason to want to hurt and/or destroy him. His children and how his first wife and Cindy respect him says a lot for McCain the man. And honestly, I'm not crazy about him as a politician, he is too liberal for my tastes.
Posted by: harmony at October 25, 2008 05:56 PM (zplc6)
Posted by: Anon at October 25, 2008 06:22 PM (s2/CB)
Posted by: cookiegramma at October 25, 2008 07:03 PM (I4yBD)
Posted by: Marshal W Earp at October 25, 2008 07:52 PM (CXlA3)
Everybody lies about sex. It's his personal life, not his public life. Character matters -- no, sorry that wasn't supposed to be there.
Actually a sexual affair is a badge of honor in the Democratic Party.
Now, if it had included Larry Sinclair -- THEN, uhh, it would still not matter. I mean everybody lies about homosexual sex. It's his personal life, yatta yatta yatta
Posted by: David Hinz at October 25, 2008 08:13 PM (oy596)
as far as I have read. And Carter may have been tempted, but
I doubt he ever had one. And probably not Reagan, either.
Bottom line is that some people cheat, and some do not.
Posted by: Jeannie at October 25, 2008 09:10 PM (jppFZ)
In other developments, it seems as if Berg's lawsuit was thrown out of court due to insufficient standing. The judge's finding seemed like a bunch of double talk to me. this is the same reason the court cited when they threw out the GOP's suit over the voter fraud. The question is, who WOULD have the standing, if not citizens or voters?
Posted by: AVM at October 26, 2008 12:27 AM (lVVvj)
Posted by: dean at October 26, 2008 07:33 AM (FU3dj)
Posted by: art at October 26, 2008 11:11 AM (Xt4dB)
Posted by: Hawkins at October 26, 2008 06:31 PM (tTJwU)
Posted by: Bleepless at October 26, 2008 08:53 PM (qyj3J)
Posted by: Mountain Jack at October 26, 2008 10:13 PM (vgPkh)
If this breaks, it will have NO effect on an Obama Presidency, it will be viewed as a GOP smear and "none of our business" since it might detract from the greater good
Posted by: Hawkins at October 27, 2008 06:29 AM (pKjWO)
A good story, if true. So what is her name?
What part of "affair with Vera Baker" did you not understand?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 27, 2008 06:35 AM (HcgFD)
Let's see. McCain and Cindy had an affair which broke up his first marriage. She IS an affair. Obama's supposed affair has been debunked a dozen times since 2004.
Oh, so there were others? The incident I'm focusing on happened just this year.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 27, 2008 06:37 AM (HcgFD)
Posted by: AVM at October 27, 2008 09:55 AM (lVVvj)
Posted by: A Stoner at October 27, 2008 11:50 AM (4+LTj)
Posted by: David M at October 27, 2008 12:03 PM (gIAM9)
This is not the same as holding a national security story until after a mission is conducted.
Posted by: LongTabSigO at October 27, 2008 03:32 PM (eR4CR)
Posted by: AVM at October 27, 2008 04:42 PM (lVVvj)
Q: If someone will screw over their own family, what chance do you or I have with them?
A: Not much.
Posted by: PA at October 27, 2008 09:05 PM (OqXyp)
Q: If someone will shaft their own family, what chance do you or I have with them?
A: Not much.
Posted by: PA at October 27, 2008 09:06 PM (OqXyp)
I'm more interested in the tape the LA Times is suppressing showing the Obamessiah partying with Mr. and Ms. Ayers - and some Palestinian terrorists.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php
Posted by: Donna V. at October 27, 2008 10:08 PM (iy7E6)
October 23, 2008
Remembering the Fallen
Twenty-five years ago today was the terrorist attack on U.S. Marines in Beirut.
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Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 23, 2008 01:30 PM (HcgFD)
It seems to me more of a way to fire a shot across the bows of the conservative Dem's, forcing some of them to profess support for 2nd Amendment rights prior to the election.
Posted by: iconoclast at October 23, 2008 05:26 PM (ex0JG)
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Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at October 24, 2008 09:51 AM (a6wVH)
I was recently traveling in Russia and saw some evidence of this in the security of the apartments. The doors to each apartment were made of at least 10 ga steel with 4-5 sliding bolt locks! Russians are pretty tough, so I asked how and why so many were terrorized by the gangs of young toughs/drunks. Didn't they have pistols to protect themselves?
Short answer--no. Handguns are prohibited. Longarms can be purchased after dealing with the RF bureaucracy (unbelievable experience) and must be secured while at home.
So only criminals had handguns. And the police--who are incredibly corrupt in Russia selling handguns to criminals, among other crimes--are of course never around when a crime is being committed.
So the Russians live in constant fear.
Posted by: iconoclast at October 24, 2008 11:21 AM (84k8l)
Posted by: George Bruce at October 24, 2008 11:45 AM (v4XVE)
Comrade how right you are.
Change. Coming soon to re-organized neighborhoods near all of us.
Uncle Joe would be laughing right now if there were such a thing as an afterlife, which of course is a corrupt capitalist Western construct.
Posted by: Comrade Doktor Nyet at October 27, 2008 02:39 PM (rSpHi)
Just a Little Genocide
This was the testimony of FBI informant Larry Grathwohl in the 1982 documentary No Place to Hide. The 25 people plotting the extermination of the 25 million Americans who would bitterly cling to the American way of life? The Weather Underground, led by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.
I asked, "well what is going to happen to those people we can't reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?" and the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers. And when I say "eliminate," I mean "kill." Twenty-five million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people. And they were dead serious.
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I don't 'favour' that kind of rhetorical device myself. but then again, what the hell do I know?
Posted by: Tom Elia at October 23, 2008 09:51 AM (m3t0o)
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 23, 2008 09:59 AM (HcgFD)
He baby-sat Obama's kids. He was a direct political ally of Obama. The two are friends.
Obama is already using every means at his disposal to silence his critics, from legal harassment to outright thuggery.
The irony: all that talk of Chimpy McBushitler and the squashing of dissent. No one was ever shut down. No one was audited by the IRS (unlike under Clinton, Inc.). No dissent was squashed. You engaged in the most disgusting forms of raw hatred and mania for 8 years, fantasizing about murdering Bush, casting him as a Hitler clone and spewing the kind of bile and vitriol that in the past was saved for those that actually did evil things.
Now your candidate is enmeshed in a web of violent radicals and demagogues that actually have sought and continue to seek to do *exactly* what you accused Bush of doing.
Rich, bible-black irony, indeed.
Posted by: spmat at October 23, 2008 10:03 AM (P9eBz)
Posted by: 1sttofight at October 23, 2008 10:06 AM (Pcg6r)
Posted by: nygal at October 23, 2008 10:08 AM (+/c0N)
Heh.
Dissent was carefully nurtured like an acorn of resistance by the blood expression of brave patriots liberally spilt in the garden of liberty to grow into a mighty oak of freedom.
Dissent was lovingly suckled like a tender piglet of entitlement at the beneficent teat of a brave and emancipated sow of social justice.
Posted by: JB at October 23, 2008 10:29 AM (HrVHr)
WGN Radio Interview with Stanley Kurtz - BO tried to shut down and disrupt, begging supporters to clog the the lines so that Kurtz could not be heard discussing his research into Obama.Ayers/Dhorn/Klonsky work on CAC
BO's Letter to DOJ demanding shutdown of TV stations running Obama Ayers ads
Secret Service visit to Jessica Hughes in TX - after an Obamathug called her and she said she would never vote for BO for his suport of infanticide. The caller reported her to the SS for "threatening BO". SS actually investigated it and filed a report - on the caller's word! (Jessica is suing, Thank God.)
Exposing the record of BO? Against BO LAW.
Telling the truth about BO? Against BO LAW.
Expressing your opinion of terrorists? Against BO LAW.
Posting BO video - expressing infanticidal support, or socialist ideology or Marxist speech? Against BO LAW.
Oh, and dissent from BO positions? RAAAAAAAAAAACIST!
Posted by: gael at October 23, 2008 10:52 AM (Ip9qZ)
It's not that Omaba is Ayers friend but they are of the same ideology and historically those who follow that system "need" to thin the herd more so than want to for their system to work....for awhile until the population exceeds their fiscal budget thats founded on oppressive over taxation and by that time the socialist government has morphed into a communist government and they need to rinse and repeat.
Anyone reading this site going to sign up for Obama's Civil Defense Force?...just curious.
Posted by: Drider at October 23, 2008 11:21 AM (lwt+p)
Posted by: vite at October 23, 2008 12:04 PM (N0hv7)
I thought I was using hyperbole. Turns out Obama's friends are hoping I'm being observant.
Posted by: tim maguire at October 23, 2008 12:25 PM (9RU8n)
Posted by: Jason at October 23, 2008 12:29 PM (24PA0)
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Posted by: jeanedcrusader at October 23, 2008 01:01 PM (gM6DH)
They left will stop at nothing to stop free thinking.
Posted by: Jenn at October 23, 2008 01:47 PM (QQLml)
If you're looking for a reporter to cover this, I suggest you try outside the womens' dressing rooms as Saks 5th Avenue.
Posted by: Jimmie at October 23, 2008 01:58 PM (bofTB)
Posted by: Tim at October 23, 2008 02:26 PM (3Wewy)
Posted by: kcs at October 23, 2008 02:33 PM (6NIyO)
Posted by: Terry at October 23, 2008 03:32 PM (UgGAs)
Or has the Senator from Illinois set up his own 'Obama Nation' to perpetuate this genocide?
Or is he just waiting to become President and then he'll order all the executions?
Posted by: owlbear1 at October 23, 2008 04:02 PM (E8x04)
No slam on Bob intended; the fact that all this stuff is out there in the public domain and has been for decades is an indictment of the in-the-tank media that refuses to see what's staring them in the face.
Posted by: Will Collier at October 23, 2008 04:12 PM (JosDu)
Posted by: Letalis Maximus, Esq. at October 23, 2008 04:19 PM (iOSwQ)
I refer you to my comment posted today at 12:25.
Posted by: tim maguire at October 23, 2008 04:21 PM (9RU8n)
One of John Kerry's kids' godfathers (in the non-Mafia sense of that word) was Peter Yarrow, who, prior to the Kerry's selecting him for that important role, had been convicted of having sex with a 14 year old girl. This tells me all I need to know about Kerry's judgment - he picked a convicted sex offender as a godparent ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Yarrow
Posted by: Gene at October 23, 2008 04:28 PM (CPhII)
We are presented with evidence said to demonstrate Senator Obama's relationship with a prominent member of the 'Weather Underground'.
We are asked to "Draw your OWN conclusion.".
I am asking you YOUR conclusions?
What YOU decided is the Truth?
Do YOU believe an Obama presidency will result in the deaths of 25 MILLION Americans?
Posted by: owlbear1 at October 23, 2008 04:33 PM (E8x04)
We are presented with evidence said to demonstrate Senator Obama's relationship with a prominent member of the 'Weather Underground'.
We are asked to "Draw your OWN conclusion.".
I am asking you YOUR conclusions?
What YOU decided is the Truth?
Do YOU believe an Obama presidency will result in the deaths of 25 MILLION Americans?
Posted by: owlbear1 at October 23, 2008 04:35 PM (E8x04)
Just as one example, one side of this philosophical divide owns, can field-strip, clean and fire an AK-47, and does so fairly regularly at gun ranges across the nation.
The other uses the AK-47 to help them identify the "oppressed peoples" they're supposed to be rooting for when they see news broadcasts from foreign countries.
They are really not ready for what they're asking for.
Posted by: Darren at October 23, 2008 04:40 PM (YhsMj)
Simple enough even for a troll.
Posted by: iconoclast at October 23, 2008 04:42 PM (ex0JG)
Simple enough even for a troll.
So iconoclast, No? You don't believe an Obama presidency will result the deaths of millions?
Just lots of policies you don't like?
Posted by: owlbear1 at October 23, 2008 04:45 PM (E8x04)
Posted by: Mr. Hourglassing at October 23, 2008 04:47 PM (MGAUG)
Not immediately.
People will be given a couple of years to adjust to what The One will be demanding of us. Then, about the time the next election would have been held, the Walrus will sadly turn to his Carpenters and order the liquidation of those who refuse to be reeducated. By that time, America will be so destitute that more Soylent Green will be a major priority.
The lucky ones will be able to swim to the relative safety and prosperity of Cuba using the inner tubes.
Posted by: betheweb at October 23, 2008 04:54 PM (1fV5o)
What YOU decided is the Truth?
That anyone who would so much as agree to be in the same room with Billy Ayers or Bernadine Dohrn--much less launch their career from their living room--has no business holding any elected office in this country. Period, dot.
That's not hard to understand, unless you're a Leftist.
Posted by: Will Collier at October 23, 2008 04:56 PM (JosDu)
Posted by: ryan at October 23, 2008 05:00 PM (RNENT)
Just a lot of policies that will ruin the economy and work against free speech - like the Fairness Doctrine.
You don't have to kill even thousands of people to screw up the nation. And, any nation on earth that has seen a socialist government established has witnessed dire economic poverty and fascism.
So, when you have a candidate for president who has spent decades hanging around with communists and socialists and revolutionaries and wildly anti-US people and avidly reading and giving praise to literature championing these radicals and picks as a career choice doing "community organizing" in a bastion location for such radicalism.....
...some of us dare to think perhaps the media should be informing us about these ties - this socio-political orientation...
....so voters can make an informed decision about whether we want to trust the guy with the most powerful position in our government.
Posted by: usinkorea at October 23, 2008 05:01 PM (vR3D9)
But then, they probably have this rosy picture of two kids with posterboard and chants. Or not, I dunno. One person admitted they had friends in the SDS and the Black Panthers back then.
Posted by: silvermine at October 23, 2008 05:03 PM (qsBMy)
Posted by: Rick at October 23, 2008 05:05 PM (r6Eai)
Somebody should take a look around their facaulty - what other kinds of disertations and publications they make.
Because I know it is also home to historian Bruce Cumings - another rabidly anti-US intellectual whose career work has tried to deny that North Korea started the Korean War, advance the idea the US used chemical warfare against the Chinese during that war, and defended the North Korean state.
Posted by: usinkorea at October 23, 2008 05:05 PM (vR3D9)
Dave, what does it tell you about the character of the man who appointed them both to the same committee?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Annenberg
?
Posted by: owlbear1 at October 23, 2008 05:07 PM (E8x04)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 23, 2008 05:16 PM (kZ9L/)
feeding trolls is a waste of time.
Anyone have anything worthwhile to add to this topic? Other than the fact that the concept of genocide seems to be foreign to many Americans. As does the concept of socialism. It is a terrible shame, but it does seem that every generation or so must learn about evil by experience rather than by reading and understanding.
Posted by: iconoclast at October 23, 2008 05:36 PM (ex0JG)
Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at October 23, 2008 05:40 PM (J5AYY)
Obama is America's Hugo Chavez and this election will determine whether America lives or dies.
Posted by: SamIam at October 23, 2008 05:43 PM (jl7C/)
Posted by: Tantor at October 23, 2008 05:43 PM (DvScm)
Before Hitler assumed total control in Germany, he was widely regarded as a caring, articulate man with a charming smile. Women had crushes on him and children sang for him and threw flowers at him. Sound familiar? The problem with those who suffer from narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is that they can be quite winsome when they're merely PURSUING power. They don't turn into obvious monsters until they actually GET it--and then it's too late. I recommend "Understanding Obama: The Making of a Fuehrer" at:
www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html
It's written by an Iranian who witnessed first-hand the coming to power of another famous narcissist: the Ayatollah Khomeini. The author focuses on psychiatry and social psychology rather than Obama's policy positions per se. The pathological narcissist is equally dangerous no matter which end of the conventional political "spectrum" the individual comes from. Khomeini, Hitler, Saddam, Osama bin Laden, Mao Tse-Tung, Kim Jong Il, Joseph Stalin----makes no difference. All had NPD. And the evidence shows that so does Obama.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 23, 2008 05:43 PM (kZ9L/)
So no, Obama isn't likely to bring us to this destination... but he will move us along towards it.
Posted by: Seerak at October 23, 2008 06:06 PM (RJmST)
Fantasy? Dunno. Hitler and Stalin were pretty real and they did much worse than leftwing dems are likely to do... oh, and gun control: can't have untrained people running around with guns.
And I remember a guy named Bob Avakian (head of some "Revolutionary Communist Party" in the 1980s or so) said that about 40 million Americans were beyond education and would need to be liquidated.
Ayers and Dohrn? Pikers, if you ask me.
Posted by: Ira at October 23, 2008 06:07 PM (a7RyZ)
For that matter, I received a forwarded statement from a rabbi in Hyde Park who says Obama is good for the Jews and among other things points out that Obama has disavowed Rev. Wright's vile bigotry. I am less impressed; he was an active congregant for twenty years and doesn't even claim he took Wright aside and whispered, "You know, Rev, the Mossad didn't actually carry out 9/11 and AIDS isn't really a government conspiracy."
Posted by: Alex Bensky at October 23, 2008 06:08 PM (GAf+S)
Posted by: SDN at October 23, 2008 06:08 PM (34IMw)
Make it easy for you -- Obama's repeated associations with Bill Ayers are no different than if Obama had repeatedly played golf with OJ Simpson.
Everything to do with judgement, and the kind of person who'd be comfortable associating with such a reprobate.
Posted by: furious at October 23, 2008 06:11 PM (c0fAX)
If you're going to toss mud, that's fine; it's a free country. At least try to get the important stuff right...
Posted by: theDAWG at October 23, 2008 06:12 PM (nG5T+)
Posted by: evander at October 23, 2008 06:18 PM (/k4Di)
Dave, what does it tell you about the character of the man who appointed them both to the same committee?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Annenberg
Typical lefty response. Annenberg did not appoint them to a committee. Ayers applied for a grant from the Annenberg foundation and Ayers arranged for Obama to be appointed to the committee since he was responsible for selecting the board to administer the grant (part of the proposal).
Posted by: gh at October 23, 2008 06:48 PM (EhUaQ)
Do I think he would kill 25 mil? Who knows. But building an organization as powerful as the US military that is loyal to O would be a good first step. Why else do we need this thing?
By the way, I like the conversation. It's more interesting than the pile on.
Posted by: David Prince at October 23, 2008 06:55 PM (P3f+b)
It's an interesting question. If he had no direct influence, as gh says, then it may be meaningless, and it may be that he had something nefarious that he was up to.
Slate's obit of Annenberg is telling, but the filters here won't let me post the link. It's easy to find.
Being a 'toady of Richard Nixon' would make Bill Ayers a strange bedfellow indeed, but given Annenberg's reported ruthlessness, he might have had all sorts of reasons to get next to Ayers, and I just don't know.
I'm reminded of Bill Cosby talking about how grandparents are so much nicer than they were as parents, that they are just mean people trying to get into heaven. Some philanthropists certainly fit that description.
Annenberg's foundations may do all kinds of good work, but it is funny nonetheless that he was apparently such a bastard. The Pol Pot Foundation for the Prevention of Genocide might do good work, too, but since "Brother Number One" didn't have the press covering his slime trail, it isn't likely to fly.
Posted by: Dave Eaton at October 23, 2008 07:22 PM (Yqzat)
And herein lay the seeds of war. That is not an attack on you Rick, but a recognition of the situation that presents itself should the communists take power. A reaction would be necessary. Or, as Ayers put it, a "counterrevolution". I'm sure it would be more spontaneous than organized, but more's the better. It's the Chicago way. They bring a knife, you bring a gun. I am fearing for the future.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 23, 2008 08:26 PM (uBECc)
Posted by: DbD at October 23, 2008 08:48 PM (p9EDF)
Posted by: Rurik at October 23, 2008 09:05 PM (NOxPC)
If McCain had an associate who wrote a book saying that the problem with America in the 1960s was that as technology had progressed to do more and more of the work that used to be done by minorities, said minorities had become useless to the new order (didn't have enough money to keep them all on welfare and had no use for their labor, after all) and had to be liquidated, would you be interested?
Of course, that's a rhetorical question because I already know the answer.
Posted by: venividivici at October 23, 2008 09:05 PM (D0dFx)
The point of the discussion is that Annenberg was likely uninvolved. I pointed out that he made no sense as a 'fellow traveler' to Ayers, though I speculated that he might have had his own reasons (perhaps Chicago political power) for buddying up. I think it much more likely that Annenberg is just the name on the door, and the source of the dough. No hating at all, just sober consideration of the facts, and noting they didn't add up.
Despite your dramatic use of all caps (nice touch), you aren't making much sense.
I'm more than ready to admit that much of the damage done to Republicans is self-inflicted. No denial there. And I'm sure they are going to spend some time in the desert, but I'm guessing against 40 years. Maybe 2-8. I think that some reckoning is inevitable even if McCain were to pull this one out of his butt.
George Bush could be Satan himself, or a giant head hippy puppet, and it would still not absolve Barack Obama of the foolishness (at least) of being associated (however tenuously) with a nutbag like Bill Ayers who actually was a terrorist, who actually fantasized about the rounding up of political enemies and executing them, and who, to this day, does not repudiate his actions or stances.
Practical considerations aside (and they are huge for someone who has national aspirations) Obama should not have had anything to do with Ayers. Nothing at all. No cause is noble enough to sit down as colleagues with avowed enemies of one's country, and no caveat about how they were doing bad things when he was a kid is absolution for such a lapse of judgment, in my opinion. The best possible spin put on their association has Obama either a dummy or incredibly cynical. He doesn't have to plan to round us all up to be unacceptable. The most gracious interpretation of his association with Ayers comes very close to making him so in my eyes.
Finally, whatever Republicans have done to the economy, they did not insist on lending people money who could not pay it back, and they didn't call people racists for expecting due diligence. You can lay that in Barney Frank's lap, though you'll have to move his boyfriend that was the head of Fannie Mae to put it there. If that were more widely understood, that guy would be out.
Posted by: Dave Eaton at October 23, 2008 09:07 PM (Yqzat)
Posted by: Chris Thompkins at October 23, 2008 09:23 PM (YFEpM)
Is this the status of political discourse? *BHO is not a Muslim. BHO was not a member of the Weather Underground as a gradeschooler.*
What madness is this? And hey, even if he was a Muslim -- wasn't Tim McVeigh a friggin *christian*? Does that make all christians terrorists?
Sheesh.
Posted by: Michael at October 23, 2008 10:02 PM (YNAvf)
You want to know what is the cause of the economic breakdown? Human nature. People are no more greedy today than they were yesterday or the day before that. That's why it happens so frequently in history. Besides, Obama doesn't appear to have any problem with inequality, so long as its politicians and bureaucrats at the top of the hierarchy.
Exactly: Human nature is constructed with pre-industrial, pre-capitalist evolutionary drivers. We need to do better. Today, we need more than raw, brutish, nasty, and short lives, in which the most selfish win.
That works if we have a population of a few million, maybe even a billion people in the world. We have now 6 billions. That requires a different model of cooperation, of "sharing the wealth," of constructing society.
Do I think Obama will do that? Not a chance. Obama will try to be pragmatic, but will also have to confront the absolutists, the reactionaries, those who are certain there is one way to do it.
The needs we have *far* exceed what is possible in this society. We are currently at 3% of the biomass -- that's the raw amount of fish -- of the ocean, compared to 1950. Effing THREE percent.
We are seeing the opening of the northeast *and* the northwest passage of the Arctic, for the first time in recorded history. The acidification of our oceans, leading to the collapse of the coral. Dead zones -- where nothing but clams live -- are abundant, because of fertilizer effluent. The collapse of tuna. The limits of our oil, our gas, our effing topsoil. The collapse of almost every main fish in the world.
We are not in the world you imagine. We've been sucking dry the flexibility of our natural systems. We'll be facing the bright clear line of sustainability, in system after system.
You want someone who would *select Sarah Palin* as *the next president*? You want someone who thinks the old ways of thinking are legitimate and sustainable?
We are hosed, folks, unless we have a radical rethink of survivability. It's not "green," or "environmental," or "stupid," it's about our own species' survival.
And while I think Obama won't go even 20% in the right direction, I'm certain that McCain won't go even 4% in the right direction.
I see Obama as the wrong choice, but the only choice, because the right choice isn't possible, in this political climate. We have to have *radical overhaul* -- and I'm afraid I'm certain it's not possible.
It's way beyond politics. It's about confronting that the "American way of life" is indeed unsustainable. Hell, the "Somalian way of life" may indeed be unsustainable.
We are confronting things that go so beyond Ayers, so beyond Olbermann, so beyond Obama, so beyond "left" or "right" or "conservative" or "liberal" that I can't even communicate it.
We can turn Road Warrior, or we can move in the direction of some kind of interactive, interconnected, interrelated world, where we *all* manage to work together to recast ourselves over the next few years, and have a dramatically restructured life.
Or, we can let things go, and the very rich will build their walled communities, and the rest of us will suffer and slowly die.
It's not simple, or binary, or easy. And the stuff I've been reading here will only drive it toward awfulness.
Posted by: Michael at October 23, 2008 11:00 PM (YNAvf)
With Obama and McCain it doesn't matter who wins, they both serve the same intrest.
Wake up everyone these people do not have our best interest and welfare at heart.
We're all going to deserve what we get and it isn't going to be pretty...
Crashaxe
Posted by: crashaxe at October 23, 2008 11:12 PM (e8vFf)
Posted by: Nick at October 23, 2008 11:21 PM (XWFlH)
Posted by: Gator at October 24, 2008 12:04 AM (Zc6Vb)
Posted by: Gman007 at October 24, 2008 12:26 AM (B8DQI)
Posted by: Saladman at October 24, 2008 01:16 AM (w4x4x)
It's possible, if Iran succeeds in developing nuclear weapons. I have zero confidence that President Obama will take any effective action to prevent Iran from developing those weapons.
Posted by: Pat at October 24, 2008 02:55 AM (0suEp)
How stupid you people are. (not surprising though...) I will try to put this in simple terms so that even a small town French hating religious freedom intolerant redneck racist six pack guzzling gun toting confederate flag waving Christian only deer killing race baiting bastards can understand. (Tee hee).
I can sense that a clear, rational, and coherent argument is coming. I always get that feeling whenever a debater begins his statement by screaming every insult he can think of without pausing for breath -- especially if every one of those insults is a hackneyed stereotype.
Ayers is a Professor at a major university. He teaches students. Do you know what that means?
In terms of Ayers's guilt for the crimes he committed, it means nothing at all. The blood is still on his hands.
Likely not since I sense most of you got "schooling" on the street.
Thus far, you have given us no reason to believe that you are smarter or better educated than we are. But go on; perhaps you actually have a point to make?
IN any event, if Ayers is ALLEGEDLY promoting hatred in class, or promoting the takeover of the government (allegedly..I dont believe it but you bastards do_)
Actually, no one has made any such claim.
. . . why havent you contacted the university he teaches at BEFORE Obama became an issue. Isnt this supposed to be an issue of NATIONAL SECURITY? TO alert all of an TERRORIST.
You appear to have missed the point completely. No one thinks Ayers is a threat at present. Neither are the elderly Nazi war criminals who have been hunted down in recent years, but being harmless today doesn't absolve them of guilt for the heinous crimes they committed in the past. And so it is with Ayers. He still carries the stain of his foul misdeeds, and the fact that Obama was happy to work closely with him for years is a revealing indication of Obama's character (or lack thereof).
But your inaction to an alleged threat proves how STUPID and pathetic you people are.
Since you're still flailing away at a straw man, you look rather silly yourself.
Oh, and how may of you bastards support religious nutbags who bomb abortion clinics?
I'll go out on a limb and say "None". But if you have evidence to the contrary, by all means present it. Otherwise you're just making a fool of yourself with such ridiculous and irrelevant accusations.
Oh, and by the way . . . there's only one T in "puppet". So perhaps you schooling isn't any better than ours. Your manners certainly are not.
Posted by: Pat at October 24, 2008 03:32 AM (0suEp)
I spoke with a survivor of those camps in VietNam and he told me a unbelievable story. It was a 2 day trip for his wife to visit him, then they might arbitrarily turn her away.
Life is so cheap to a communist, they have no sympathy for anyone who does not believe as they do. Everyone lives in fear. I saw a tiny bit of it in the USSR, in Murmansk, during WWII. A few people we met openly told us that they'd end up in Siberia for being friendly to American seamen.
And I heard it from those who fled from behind the Iron Curtain. They risked their lives to cross borders, but we don't listen to them. We don't listen to the Cubans who risked their lives in small boats, rafts, and inner tubes.
Bill Ayers writes text books for the schools. Don't you wonder what is in those books that they're using to teach your children?
In China they executed an estimated 60 million landlords/capitalists. What is it we're missing about these peopole? This Obama/Ayers team is ready to install their own kind in Washington.
Note Acorn's red berets, red shirts, like Chavez in Venezuela. Think America, vote and pray.
Obama had $160 million to build his organization, and now they are his thugs. You'll see that on election day, believe me. They're already using their computers to assault the Republicans, tying up systems with "denial of service".
Posted by: Howard E. at October 24, 2008 04:09 AM (mjeSf)
This is because the dangers of communism (the slightly redder sister of Marxism, socialism and liberalism) are not taught in schools:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/why_obamas_communist_connectio.html
This is thanks to people like Ayers, who have very cleverly entrenched themselves in the educational system (and the media, for that matter) and now occupy positions that set the curriculum for our kids in school. Obama's ideological family tree also extends to John McKnight (a student of Communist Saul Alinsky). McKnight wrote Obama's letter of introduction to Harvard and developed Obama as a 'community organizer' ala Saul Alinsky. Saul Alinsky's son, L. David Alinsky, wrote this letter to editor of the Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/letters/articles/2008/08/31/son_sees_fathers_handiwork_in_convention/?s_campaign=8315
in which he praises Obama for learning his father's methods well. This, boys and girls, is chilling. As noted by Marcus Tullius Cicero in 42 BC:
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”
Posted by: Merryfield at October 24, 2008 05:33 AM (L6vKd)
venividivici: you're defending these appalling abusers, because they spent 17 hours a day taking advantage of those foolish enough to believe they could continue to have endlessly increasing housing values?
Once again, you miss the point. I defend people who work hard and within the confines of the law. It appears that 99% of the people on Wall Street fit this bill. Also again, as I pointed out, those who have lost the most are the very Wall Street types you would condemn. Who do you think bought all that overpriced Manhattan real estate? People relocating to Manhattan from Kansas?
Exactly: Human nature is constructed with pre-industrial, pre-capitalist evolutionary drivers. We need to do better. Today, we need more than raw, brutish, nasty, and short lives, in which the most selfish win.
Yes, because the countries where life expectancy is long and growing are the ones where industrialism and capitalism are least prevalent, so I can see how you would make the connection between industrialism, capitalism and "nasty, brutish and short" lives.
It's way beyond politics. It's about confronting that the "American way of life" is indeed unsustainable. Hell, the "Somalian way of life" may indeed be unsustainable.
Sorry, but even if this is true, I don't think that you and I would agree on "next steps". Personally, I don't plan on changing my lifestyle one iota just because 200 years down the road it might prove "unsustainable". Feel free to change yours, though, but you will find yourself in a world of hurt if you try to change mine.
If you think Obama is only "4%" of the total solution, my suggestion is that the remainder of your life will be marked by near-complete desperation and disappointment. Enjoy.
Posted by: venividivici at October 24, 2008 06:29 AM (D0dFx)
Who was in attorney generals office in 1982?
So why was there no prosecution????
William French Smith, 74th Attorney General
Smith served as attorney general (President Reagan) from 23 Jan 1981 - 25 Feb 1985. He was born (26 Aug 1917) in Wilton, NH and attended the University of California, Los Angeles and Harvard Law School. A lieutenant in the US Naval Reserve, Smith was in private practice when appointed AG.
It sounds like your own party left a criminal on the street. Wasn't that the scare tactic used against Dukasus in 1988?
les
Posted by: Leslie Garner at October 24, 2008 08:13 AM (ccDkk)
Posted by: Toyboat at October 24, 2008 09:55 AM (cC3Yf)
Love the extra question marks.
There was a prosecution. Would it be too much to expect you trolls to learn the basics about Ayers before you comment on the matter?
Posted by: JDestro at October 24, 2008 10:28 AM (fZeEr)
Posted by: kt at October 24, 2008 12:05 PM (pOcg+)
les
Posted by Leslie Garner at October 24, 2008 08:13 AM
you need to read up on Ayers acquittal and on Ayers own comments following that acquittal. Not that you will, of course. Having facts does to lead one to conservative (also known as classically liberal) notions...
Also, that was Dukakis and the rap against him--brought up originally by Al Gore during the primaries-- was that the Dukakis administration had allowed a convicted murderer out on furlough, where he had attacked, robbed and raped in another state. A little different than the judicial acquittal of Ayers, at least to someone operating with even a partially functional cortex..
Posted by: iconoclast at October 24, 2008 12:22 PM (84k8l)
The rest just shows how the internet allows for the concentration of like-minded paranoids to feed each other's dementia. Are even half of you folks serious?
Posted by: realworld at October 24, 2008 02:01 PM (PgixV)
by dunkelberg | October 14, 2008 at 04:29 pm
http://media.nowpublic.net/images//77/5/77521c22c5cee5c77869002bc3b517f3.jpg
When federal prosecutor William C. Ibershof tried to put Weatherman William Ayers behind bars 35 years ago, it was his own boss - the Republican attorney general - who brought down the trial and let the accused domestic terrorist go free.
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In 1973, Ibershof tried to put William Ayers, a founding member of the Weather Underground, in prison for an alleged conspiracy to bomb political targets. Ayers, now an education professor in Chicago, has become a fixture in John McCain's attempt to raise doubts about Barack Obama.
Source: latimes.com
Recently, Mr. Ibershof wrote a letter to the New York Times, saying, as the man who tried to prosecute Ayers, he was "amazed and outraged" that McCain-Palin, the GOP and others were trying to link Ayers with Obama.
However, his story goes beyond that letter.
In 1972, Mr. Ibershof says he was preparing to try Ayers, who was in hiding, and 14 other members of the Weather Underground organization for planning a campaign of domestic terror. Before the trial could begin, defense attorneys complained their offices had been broken into and searched. Then, Mr. Ibershof discovered the government had illegally bugged some of the defendants.
"I had a sizable room full of files with wiretaps that were not obtained by court order," he said.
The illegal tactics were ordered by Atty. Gen. John N. Mitchell and FBI assistant director W. Mark Felt, who was later unmasked as the Watergate scandal's "Deep Throat," Ibershof said. They were part of a plan, exposed during the Watergate hearings, to use "espionage techniques" to gather intelligence on domestic foes.
Source: latimes.com
Mr. Ibershof says he wanted to go on with the case. However, the judge ordered a hearing on the break ins and illegal claims. The government dropped the case, citing "national security".
Obama met Ayers when the former radical hosted an event to introduce Obama at the start of his political career. The two have served together on boards, but are not close.
"It seemed manifestly unfair to tar him with this association," Ibershof said in a telephone interview this weekend from his home in Mill Valley. "Sen. Obama had known Ayers during a period he was named Citizen of the Year in Chicago, not when he was committing those terrorist acts."
Source: latimes.com
McCain supporters have denounced Ayers as an "unrepentant terrorist." Ibershof said he believes people deserve a chance to redeem themselves, "a human reaction anyone would have."
Source: latimes.com
He adds the terrorist activities in question occurred when
"Mr. Obama, was, as he has noted, just a child."
Source: latimes.com
Leslie Garner
Posted by: Leslie Garner at October 24, 2008 02:36 PM (Cup/2)
BUT! How old was Barack Obama in 1982 when this documentary came out? Oh wait, he was already 20 or 21..
Oh BUT! Maybe he was busy on his trip to Pakistan and he missed the documentary!
I mean seriously, how could the Obamessiah be expected to know, just because Ayers wore a ring made down of shot down American fighter planes, and just because he had documentaries about him, and because he had interviews on national television.
Come now Comrades, forget ApparentFact, and embrace HopeFact.
Consider, Ayers merely was a guy from the neighborhood. Sure, Obama MOVED TO the neighborhood because it was full of radicals , but what good committed Marxist would not? To hold it against him, well that is racist, as is all disagreement with a liberal, socialist, or Marxist.
Is that a crime? Nyet, I say.
Posted by: Comrade Doktor Nyet at October 24, 2008 03:28 PM (rSpHi)
Posted by: Red MAryland at October 24, 2008 03:58 PM (90csU)
Posted by: Letitia at October 24, 2008 05:39 PM (Ce0SV)
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/22/academics-sign-pro-ayers-petition/
"Among the people who signed the petition are No. 5, Columbia University professor of Arab studies Rashid Khalidi, and No. 814, former University of Colorado at Boulder professor Ward Churchill.
Churchill made headlines when he called the victims of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center "little Eichmanns" and compared them to Nazis in an essay. He was fired from his job in Boulder for plagiarism."
Posted by: Hermit at October 24, 2008 05:50 PM (TJMrU)
Obama chose specifically to spend his entire adult life connected to radicals. He began as a teen living in paradise with the books he chose to read and take as guides. He was helped along that way by his mother and at least one person his grandfather introduced him to. He continued on the path in college, probably very much so, which is why he refuses to talk about that time, and then he went into community organizing - another avenue along the path. His association with Ayers, Rev. Wright, and others point to the same thing: he is inspired by ideas of radical change in American society.
The reason the Obamaists trot out such weak defenses of all this is --- they share with him the same basic view of America that is the foundation for the push for radical "change" - that view being: That the US is THE problem in the world. America is a bad, bad, bad boy. Both to the poor nations of the world and to its own people - primarily its minorities and the poor it keeps down. The Obamaists defend anything about him because they want one of their own to stick it to the Man -- the white, male, neocon, wacked out Jesus freaks who have controlled the nation for too damn long....
The Dems could have went with a very liberal but somewhat pragmatic candidate like Hillary - but they want CHANGE --- radical change.
And it looks like we'll get some of it.
I think it will take less than 4 years for the bulk of Americans to catch on. America is still a centrist nation. If it had not been for the mass media acting as the Obama press corps, the people would not have come close to putting this man in the White House.
And if I were a member of the press, I'd keep a bag packed and in my trunk with an open ticket to anywhere outside the US ---- once the reality of what has happened sinks in and the people start looking for someone to blame once a Carter-style prolonged recession hits and our foreign policy makes us a laughing stock. The media will be a prime target for revenge....
Posted by: usinkorea at October 24, 2008 07:53 PM (K0KeT)
William Ayer's agenda has remained unchanged. It's simply being carried out sans explosives.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 24, 2008 08:23 PM (ud5dN)
Who was in attorney generals office in 1982?
So why was there no prosecution????
William French Smith, 74th Attorney General
Smith served as attorney general (President Reagan) from 23 Jan 1981 - 25 Feb 1985. He was born (26 Aug 1917) in Wilton, NH and attended the University of California, Los Angeles and Harvard Law School. A lieutenant in the US Naval Reserve, Smith was in private practice when appointed AG.
It sounds like your own party left a criminal on the street. Wasn't that the scare tactic used against Dukasus in 1988?
les
Posted by: Leslie Garner at October 24, 2008 08:13 AM
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Actually it was Gore who was responsible for the
Willie Horton ad against Dukakis.
Posted by: CeeDee at October 24, 2008 08:31 PM (6TGoP)
In The Last Tsar, Edvard Radzinsky mentions Tkachev and Nechaev, 19th century revolutionaries who discussed how many people would have to be killed, and concluded that the real question was how many to be left alive.
I would also note Eric Hobsbawm: a lifelong Communist who had no trouble ascending to the highest ranks of British academia as a historian, was made a Companion of Honor - and said recently that killing 20M people would be justified if it brought about the socialist paradise.
Posted by: Rich Rostrom at October 24, 2008 08:42 PM (AaIjD)
Oh, and how may of you bastards support religious nutbags who bomb abortion clinics?
Natalie Solent pointed out today that nobody has bombed an abortion clinic for ten years. So Raul's accusation was more pathetic and silly than I realized.
Posted by: Pat at October 24, 2008 10:03 PM (0suEp)
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 24, 2008 10:24 PM (HcgFD)
Posted by: Pat at October 25, 2008 02:57 AM (0suEp)
Thanks to an Irish Grandmother, I'm a dual citizen, and at the end of this school semester, 5 weeks after the biggest electoral mistake Americans will likely have ever made, we land at Shannon. The way things look now, I won't be back.
God bless and protect you all.
Posted by: Will at October 25, 2008 08:23 AM (TgPXB)
Posted by: Gary at October 25, 2008 11:47 AM (2KKvq)
what's new? both have good points, both have bad.
i think it's the luck of the draw....and no, i do not under any circumstances believe 25 million people will be executed UNDER ANYONE'S WATCH!!
Posted by: bob at October 25, 2008 03:54 PM (TQvTC)
How many deaths can be attributed to Obama's policies in The new murder capitol of the USA, Chicago?
If he trusted his fellow citizens with their own defense many more would be alive to vote for him.
But guns in the hands of free men and women is an anathema to those " Revolutionary Freedom Fighters" That mentored Barry O and with whome he broke bread and shared graft and political pork.
Posted by: nosmo at October 25, 2008 04:06 PM (FsIge)
"Rich, bible-black irony, indeed."
Dead on brother,tell it like it is.
We are seeing the canonization of the 60's radical
heroes (John Kerry,Jane Fonda,Ward Chruchill,Ayers and friends) using Obama as a device to gain the ultimate power to push their marxist,socialist ideology.We are supposed to excuse these idiots because they are "friends of academia".
Ahmadinejad is a friend of "academia" also,so I
think I will pass on supporting the leaders of hate and oppression.
If Obama is elected,there are going to be a lot of disappointed people wandering around,staring up at the sky,saying "where is all the hope and change".
We have some serious tough times coming up and the media is not going to be able to cover for their liberal heroes and their failed ideology.
Posted by: Baxter Greene at October 25, 2008 04:24 PM (5NHPy)
How correct you are Comrade!
There are bad aspects with any leader. I mean one negative thing about most leaders in the US is that they have not had the advantage of actual Marxist mentors since their childhood; hard core communists with actual connections to Moscow and the Viet Cong.
At least Comrade Senator Obama has such advantages, so his policies are likely to be the most enlightened.
And of course, there will never be any leader who kills millions of his own people. Oh well except for Hitler, but he was not a Marxist, he was a Fascist.
Oh well and Stalin and Pol Pot the Chinese Cultural Revolution, and maybe a bunch more, but you know, some purges are positive The People.
For one thing, those purges made the the wait in the TP lines that much shorter in the Soviet Union.
I mean killing millions of people? That is crazy talk. Not in America.
I mean next people would expect us to beleive that a president like FDR would seize people's gold and get so much of it, they would have build a fortified vault in Kentucky to keep it safe. Nyet, not in America!
Or that Lincoln would order the arrest of Maryland legislators and then have the state government replaced by the Federal government, backed up by a military occupation force. Nyet, it could not happen in America!
So worry not America. Simply embrace CHANGE. Don't ask what change, let those more able decide what that change should be. Just VOTE for CHANGE!
Posted by: Comrade Doktor Nyet at October 27, 2008 01:54 PM (rSpHi)
The veneer of civil society is gossamer thin.
Posted by: PA at October 27, 2008 11:07 PM (OqXyp)
Pick Your Nuts
So which is it, Obama conspiracy theorists?
Is Barack Obama not a natural born citizen, but of Kenyan birth, as Philip Berg alleges in a lawsuit that the Obama campaign is ignoring? Or is Obama not even really Obama, but instead the lovechild of his "Uncle Frank," admitted child rapist Frank Marshall Davis, as Andy Martin alleges? Decisions, decisions...Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 07:25 AM | Comments (37) | Add Comment | Trackbacks (Suck)
Did Frank Marshall Davis ever visit Kenya, perhaps in the same SR-71 that took the elder Bush to Iran to negotiate the release of the hostages so that Reagan could win?
(Wonder how many conspiracy kooks will take that possibility seriously.)
Posted by: C-C-G at October 23, 2008 07:31 AM (sII0T)
Posted by: David Ross at October 23, 2008 09:51 AM (GwV+j)
Going Viral...former Montgomery County Democratic Chairman Phil Berg is in Federal Court trying to prove that Barack Obama is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States and therefore Constitutionally barred from the Presidency...the former Deputy Attorney General and Democratic State Committee Member has been at it for some time but a new interview with Berg is getting plenty of "hits" on YouTube...
This Berg guy may or may not be a nut but I think its more likely that he's a democratic nut/not nut.
just google philip berg obama. there's an interview on americasrighy.com - or something like that.
Posted by: rfy at October 23, 2008 12:56 PM (sYA6s)
Unless the KOS people and Soros were plotting this for 48 years I'd say its bunk.
Between the Ayers associations, the opposition to the war, the inability to be truthful and the revalations of the "interesting" method of validating credit cards mentioned on Powerline, Hotair and National Review we have plenty of legit reasons to oppose Sen Obama.
This isnn't one of them.
Posted by: P. Ingemi at October 23, 2008 02:47 PM (BeMP7)
Posted by: Adriane at October 23, 2008 04:56 PM (wJlIy)
As another poster noted, don't you guys have marginally legitimate windmills to tilt at besides bunk like this?
Posted by: mmm...lemonheads at October 23, 2008 07:03 PM (M9dRY)
Back to Kos for you, Lemonheads.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 23, 2008 10:00 PM (sII0T)
Do I know that this is true? No. However, if it is, and the case for this proposition seems at least plausible, then we need to know the facts, now rather than later. Obama can clear this up by doing what he has, thus far, refused to do: Produce a Hawaiian birth certificate, or an official document from the hospital where he was born, current to the time of his birth, certifying his birth. In a case where anyone running for president might very well not be eligible, and as I've said, from what I've seen, this is at least plausible, it is hardly too much to ask that candidate to produce a document available to every citizen born in the US. It's not as though we're searching for an original from 1732 that was burned in an Indian raid, and there are any number of situations that require Joe average (The Plumber?) to produce a birth certificate.
It might be interesting to see what Obama brings back from Hawaii in a day or two. If he was actually born in the US, OK. A genuine birth certificate clears everything up immediately and that's the end of it (unlike Dems, conservatives are unlikely to run around for years screaming about stealing elections, etc.). If not...what would happen several years down the line if it was proved that Obama--or anyone elected president--was not, in fact, eligible for the office, and knowing that, ran anyway? It's not hard to imagine an all Democrat congress, with the aid of the Obama PR unit (the mainstream media) violating the Constitution to keep Obama in power. We really don't need that kind of Constitutional crisis, now do we? How about it Obama?
Posted by: Mike at October 23, 2008 11:26 PM (kf6Mc)
I heard two people talking today, Obama supporters, and one said, "He's only 47. He could be President for 20 years." Yep, like Castro, now up to 50 years.
Have you seen the video with children singing the new hymn, "Obama is going to change the World?" No, well then look it up. They're literally beautific and you'll see them at the Inauguration, if he wins. He'll change the National Anthem as well. Then what next? The flag, to his own design? You can bet on it.
And for Bill Ayers Red Book for communists, on this site, to see what is planned for us.
Posted by: Howard E. at October 24, 2008 04:22 AM (mjeSf)
Posted by: Alena at October 24, 2008 11:31 AM (nbLJn)
That Barack Obama Guy? He Hates Black People
Maybe John Lewis can call him out.
After all, if Lewis can call compare John McCain to George Wallace for things he didn't do, then Barack Obama is certainly a racist for his association with Bill Ayers, who considered black patrons of a nearby restaurant merely collateral damage for the 13th Precinct bombings in Detroit.Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 07:00 AM | Comments (31) | Add Comment | Trackbacks (Suck)
Lewis said, that it is reminiscent of the state of mind that allowed Wallace to create such a hateful atmosphere without actually lifting a finger.
Which is what McCain has done. McCain doesn't have to act racist towards Obama, or even be racist - when he incites racist rhetoric (much like .your post here). McCain has not denounced the racist sayings by speakers and listeners at his rallies. One lady called Obama a muslim, and McCain corrected her. one lady,
what about "Kill Him" , "terrorist" , "n******" " sit down, boy!" , "HUSSEIN"
McCain is breeding hatred and contempt for liberals and african americans alike. It may not be racist, but it is hatred - and reminiscent of Wallace's fostering of racial hatred in Alabama.
And that is what Lewis was saying, quite obviously. Your tortured logic needs some work.
Posted by: Kyle at October 23, 2008 08:20 AM (vwzxR)
"This is Congressman John Lewis."
"And I'm Mayor Shirley Franklin"
"And I'm Andy Young"
Lewis: "On November 7th we face the most dangerous situation we ever have. If you think fighting off dogs and water hoses in the '60s was bad, imagine if we sit idly by and let the right-wing Republicans take control of the Fulton County Commission."
Franklin: "The efforts of Martin and Coretta King, Hosea Williams, Maynard Jackson and many others will be lost. That's why we must stand up and we must turn out the vote for the Democrats on Election Day."
Young: "And especially for John Eaves for Fulton County Commission chairman. Unless you want them to turn back the clock on equal rights and human rights and economic opportunity for all of us, vote for John Eaves as Fulton County chairman."
Lewis: "Your very life may depend on it."
Eaves: "This message paid for by the committee to elect John Eaves."
It worked: Eaves won.
Posted by: RNB at October 23, 2008 09:08 AM (fe/Mk)
Posted by: megapotamus at October 23, 2008 02:59 PM (LF+qW)
October 22, 2008
Nationwide, Police Begin Bracing For Obama's Defeat
The Hill notes that police departments across the country are preparing for post-election violence:
The reference to Palin as the first female vice president is repeated later in the article, but as an obvious sop; does anyone really expect women or Republicans to riot if McCain and Palin aren't elected? No, the concern is that urban Democrats may riot in the event that Barack Obama falls short in his bid for the White House, or that they may riot to a lesser extent if Obama wins and victory celebrations get out of hand. A source of mine involved in homeland security, however, says that the government isn't terribly concerned with fears of overzealous celebrations, but with potential rioting linked to expectations being built of a "stolen election." He intoned—but did not state directly—that internal polling from both the McCain and Obama campaigns see a much Presidential tighter race that is shown in most of the public polls (noted here, here, and here as well). This inaccurate and perhaps purposefully biased polling has created expectations in some quarters of an easy win for Barack Obama that the internal polling data in both campaigns does not support. I suspect that the media-manipulated polls could lead to violence if Obama is not elected, including injuries to innocent citizens, rioters, and law enforcement officials. I've made it clear in recent days that I suspect that John McCain and Sarah Palin will win this election, and that the outcome will shock many. If that shock leads to violence, however, I hope that the blame for those injured is properly placed at the feet of the mainstream media organizations that have abandoned objectivity in order to campaign and even cheat in favor of the Democratic candidate they so clearly prefer.
Police departments in cities across the country are beefing up their ranks for Election Day, preparing for possible civil unrest and riots after the historic presidential contest. Public safety officials said in interviews with The Hill that the election, which will end with either the nation’s first black president or its first female vice president, demanded a stronger police presence. Some worry that if Barack Obama loses and there is suspicion of foul play in the election, violence could ensue in cities with large black populations. Others based the need for enhanced patrols on past riots in urban areas (following professional sports events) and also on Internet rumors.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 11:21 AM | Comments (97) | Add Comment | Trackbacks (Suck)
When all this started, the only press about Obama was negative.
Do you expect mainstream media to lose it's watchers and readers?
If the majority of the people want Obama, why would they report on McCain?
I will take part in whatever I feel like doing if the election is stolen.
Also, nobody try to assassinate Obama, that will cause a Riot of all riots. Don't expect this riot to include only blacks either. There are plenty of us whites that won't stand for more Bushism.
Posted by: Sean Winter at October 22, 2008 11:47 AM (ymJVc)
US Whites, very diverse in views, historically don't riot. Should the election be stolen via Democratic voter fraud, and the media uncharacteristically report the news accurately, then there could be isolated incidents of rage. I don't see the potential for organized white riots, however.
Inner city/black rioting seems, historically, likely no matter who wins.
In my election predictions (http://www.kennelson.com/newblog/?p=286), I give McCain a win and expect bad riots in Chicago, LA and Miami. I didn't cover the case of an Obama victory, but given my own experience with Clinton's win while living in Washington, D.C. - it is hard to tell between a victory "celebration" and a defeat "riot".
Posted by: Ken Nelson at October 22, 2008 11:54 AM (haFqi)
Posted by: Son of a Pig and a Monkey at October 22, 2008 12:09 PM (KsxrY)
Posted by: Paul Atreides at October 22, 2008 12:16 PM (WOi7W)
The media has just started to "prefer" Obama.
When all this started, the only press about Obama was negative.
They've been in love with him since his 2004 DNC speech, and they've refused to challenge him on almost anything substantive. Please share some of the negative press to which you refer.
Do you expect mainstream media to lose it's watchers and readers?
They already are, across the spectrum, and it is overwhelmingly because of their bias. Where have you been as the LA Times, NY Times, and other news organizations have been shedding employees?
If the majority of the people want Obama, why would they report on McCain?
Becuase it is called journalism, not cheerleading, and it's their job, genius.
I will take part in whatever I feel like doing if the election is stolen.
Ah, I see we have someone unwilling to believe that The One can lose. You do know he's never won a contested election in his life, right?
Also, nobody try to assassinate Obama, that will cause a Riot of all riots. Don't expect this riot to include only blacks either. There are plenty of us whites that won't stand for more Bushism.
As I reported months ago, the only people talking about Obama being assassinated are those on the political left. Most of that has been simply media-generated smears directed at non-supporters by the media, though some are of course concerned that their Messiah may actually be targeted. Perhaps as sadly, some on the left are almost hoping that he is assassinated, knowing he is incapable of living up to the hype, and feeling in dark places they don't want to admit he'd be more effective as a martyr, kinda like one of his heroes, cli-Che.
And if, Mr. Winter, you decide to riot and try to hurt others because Democrats blew what should have been an easy election because they picked an inexperienced, unvetted candidate with ties to the most extreme radicals in American politics, I hope you burn down your own home first.
That is, after all, where the blame lies.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 22, 2008 12:22 PM (HcgFD)
Posted by: Krystal at October 22, 2008 12:31 PM (D2TAc)
Posted by: Faithful Patriot at October 22, 2008 12:41 PM (8NiWI)
CY, you slay me. You really do. Next you will be clicking your heels together and saying there is no place like home......
However, you are right regarding the likelihood of civil unrest if Obama loses. The left will somehow project the justification onto the rest of the country by claiming that the election was stolen by sneaky Republicans (probably by infiltrating Acorn). The Democrats will do this because they approve of stealing elections themselves through voter fraud and cannot conceive of their enemies (us, that is) thinking any other way than them.
In fact, maybe that is the new meme! To say: "Look, you racists. If you let McCain win, we will not only keep calling you racists, but we will burn your cities down". Stupid, but so was calling all criticisms of Obama racist.
Posted by: iconoclast at October 22, 2008 01:09 PM (TzLpv)
Posted by: deepsix at October 22, 2008 01:17 PM (JUPc/)
Posted by: Conservative CBU at October 22, 2008 01:46 PM (M+Vfm)
Posted by: megapotamus at October 22, 2008 02:08 PM (LF+qW)
I actually talked to an ACORN girl some weeks ago. She was doing voter registration and I told her I was registered and who I was voting for. She followed me for two whole blocks to pester me about my voting for McCain. Finally I stopped, looked at this uneducated hoodrat and asked her if she understood that her life would not change AT ALL if Obama was elected. It didn't matter to her. This is all about unicorns, candy mountains, moonbeams and some sort of perverse religiosity but there is so much delusional hope invested in Obama that I can definitely forsee ugliness if he loses.
Posted by: Hector at October 22, 2008 02:18 PM (9NvZm)
Posted by: AQ at October 22, 2008 02:26 PM (1XWfF)
Because, god knows the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation/ Supremist movement weren't intimately connected.....
Posted by: RM at October 22, 2008 02:41 PM (9Y8s/)
The police departments in this area are ill-equipped to handle looting, burning and shooting of a grand scale.
The LEO's suggest that you get a gun and plan an escape route.
Posted by: Purple Raider at October 22, 2008 03:00 PM (5ovKS)
Posted by: cmblake6 at October 22, 2008 03:13 PM (QSVQf)
America is fed up with vote suppression, and the gloves are off. We are taking democracy back, and step one is making sure everyone gets a chance to be counted. It's going to happen in the courts, it's going to happen in the polling places, but most of all it's going to happen in the streets. A train is coming, boy, and you'd best get off the tracks.
You are damned right there will be violence if this election gets stolen. There should have been violence in 2000, and 2004, but finally the people have woken up. They finally learned that 'elections have consequences', and the consequences of letting criminals steal the presidency of the USA are war, ruin, terror, and financial ruin.
You had your chance to play with the toys, now run along because the grownups have to clean up after you.
Posted by: charles at October 22, 2008 03:25 PM (Ewe33)
Posted by: John Ryan at October 22, 2008 03:28 PM (xrV8E)
Posted by: Luther Tines at October 22, 2008 03:35 PM (5qgvw)
Important safety tip: It's not smart to threaten violence against people who:
1. Have extensive military experience.
2. Own firearms.
3. Repeatedly qualified as an "Expert" on several types of individual and crew-served weapons.
As it happens, one of those "people" is me. You talk the talk, old boy, but do you walk the walk?
Posted by: MarkJ at October 22, 2008 03:37 PM (ZFVlP)
Posted by: you guys are so mean at October 22, 2008 03:46 PM (Na2Fu)
Posted by: Eric at October 22, 2008 03:47 PM (Eg+DG)
Posted by: DirtCrashr at October 22, 2008 03:53 PM (VNM5w)
Yah know what's not smart? Threatening people when you are drastically outnumbered. Fact is, there are a whole lot more people on Sean's side than there are on yours. Not only that, but stats show we are just as well armed, just as likely to serve, and most important smarter and better educated.
You really need to get the picture here: You guys are going to lose. Not only that, but while you are losing, your entire party is going up in smoke. So now would be a really smart time to pull in your horns, go to the polling station, vote, and then try and get on with your life.
You see, it's our turn now. The right had a good long try, and all they did was make a huge mess. From record budget surplus, to record deficit. From peace, to the largest act of terrorism ever committed on American soil. From a guy messing with an intern, to a president who approved TORTURE of POWs. Every single case study you can imagine, is a republican party epic fail.
America gets it, they understand, you need to ask yourself why you don't.
Posted by: charles at October 22, 2008 03:53 PM (Ewe33)
You know where the violence is gonna be? The first time some mealy-mouthed republican hack lawyer challenges the legitimate vote of some little old black lady in Florida.
It isn't the little old black lady in Florida we're worried about (so long as she is still above ground and properly registered), so much as it is the attempt of Democrats and ACORN to queer elections with fake voter registrations, voters registering and voting illegally in battleground states, etc.
I know it is difficult to handle, but we really are quite serious about having just one vote per person.
If you do intend to take it to the streets, Charles--and I suspect you're just another Internet tough guy, so I doubt you'll even do that--by all means, protest to your little heart's content.
If you attempt to hurt someone, however, I hope you're caught and go to jail for your crimes.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 22, 2008 03:57 PM (HcgFD)
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/oct/22/lets-pretend-to-kill-sarah-palin/
Posted by: Sparky at October 22, 2008 04:11 PM (GAf+S)
As far as the streets go, I say look back in time to a certain tea party in Boston: One mans criminal is another man's national hero.
Posted by: charles at October 22, 2008 04:15 PM (Ewe33)
And just for the record, it is your candidate Obama that has spent at least 21 years palling around with a pair of terrorists that formally declared war on the United States, so I'd be careful about the treason charge, bub.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 22, 2008 04:25 PM (HcgFD)
Posted by: Brooke at October 22, 2008 04:35 PM (ucqvQ)
Posted by: trax at October 22, 2008 04:41 PM (Xgwet)
Posted by: TNHillybilly at October 22, 2008 04:52 PM (/qLFp)
Those events flashed in my mind as I watched the unrest perpetrated by the rabble in St. Paul against the conservatives, and wondered how more vile, vicious, and violent they will be if their messiah does not accomplish his purchase of the Oval Office.
And given the loon toon leftist's litany of larceny, looting, vandalism and assault against those who dare to disagree (which the msm conveniently drops down the memory hole), I fear the tribulation of an Obama defeat will be terrible, as it will be great.
Mob rule, indeed. It's speaks volumes about the people on the left when the subject of intolerance & violence almost exclusively is their domain.
The Hill's failure to see it's own complicity in this narrative only serves to exacerbate this potentially violent outcome.
The CY was correct to chastise the Hill's article with it's foolish fumbling that included conservatives.
Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at October 22, 2008 05:10 PM (nDaZn)
HAHA! Yeah right!
Posted by: Jack Klompus at October 22, 2008 05:40 PM (PYRMV)
Posted by: jul at October 22, 2008 06:02 PM (DolVr)
Can you even hear yourself?
Posted by: brando at October 22, 2008 06:19 PM (WTc4Z)
Wrong, CY.
In fact, criminal charges appear to have already been filed this cycle against one GOP vote suppressor, with more undoubtedly to follow.
Hell, Dude, even the British Press is up on this. So what is it you do all day, exactly?
Posted by: Dolf Fenster at October 22, 2008 06:47 PM (vD2Hz)
Congrats on the second one, however. While they didn't bring charges for doing anything other than forging his own home address, that is something.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 22, 2008 07:16 PM (HcgFD)
face up to it: the majority of americans are anti-bush, anti-war, anti-fascist, anti-racist, and anti-plutocrat. Since the modern republican party is founded on those ideals, it means the american people are anti-you.
The only way you guys have been able to win, since the pathetic showing of Bush the elder, has been by cheating. Now that your offences have become so egregious that even the media can't ignore it anymore, your goose is cooked.
By the way, how are you dealing with the fact tat al quaida just endorsed McCain?
Posted by: charles at October 22, 2008 07:35 PM (c+J5G)
Posted by: Georg Felis at October 22, 2008 07:37 PM (i5bRG)
No, they'll just retreat into their blogs and start spreading nasty rumors. You know, kinda like they do now.
Posted by: Len at October 22, 2008 08:37 PM (4AGUz)
Which means if Obama loses, they will believe it this time as well.
I will guess the mob of Charlies will rant and rave and threaten violence. They won't actually BE rioting. Just cheering on bigger fools than themselves (hard to imagine, I know). Hoping for a real Days of Rage experience, at least vicarously.
But only for a little while. We already know how long libtards can support real violence and how ready they are to surrender.
Posted by: iconoclast at October 22, 2008 08:48 PM (ex0JG)
Pres. Bush isn't running in 2008. How difficult is that for you to understand?
If the righteous and morality driven majority that you claim to represent are anti-war, why are you trolling the internet with threats of armed insurrection?
If the righteous and morality driven majority that you claim to represent are anti-fascist, why are you supporting the one candidate who has threatened legal intimidation of opponents and used getting names tossed off of signature ballads to move ahead in the polls?
If the righteous and morality driven majority that you claim to represent are anti-racists, why are you supporting the one candidate who states radical, anti-American, and violent beliefs are the only authentic black identity available to him as a 1/2 white and 1/2 Arab American?
You aren't making much sense.
Posted by: Adriane at October 22, 2008 08:57 PM (wJlIy)
You forgot the part about your smarter children and more attractive spouses.
You go ahead and bring your STATS along when you join in the riots. But, I'd suggest not bringing a gun. If you do that you might get hurt.
Posted by: ThomasD at October 22, 2008 09:49 PM (9DNw+)
And it's John Murtha's "racist rednecks" who are bitterly clinging to their guns, no?
If your boyz in the 'hood think they can bring out a POS .380 Taurus against a scoped Browning autoloader in .300 Winchester Mag, let 'em....
Posted by: Bill at October 22, 2008 10:13 PM (sL4r9)
I'm one of those cops going on extended shifts because of who might riot if The One doesn't win. Come on down to SC if you want to throw a few pissbombs. I have a 40mm crowd pleaser just waiting for you, Douche.
Posted by: PoPo at October 22, 2008 11:32 PM (AVokL)
Since when are libs armed? I think you need to reconsider voting for Obama if you're a firearm owner.
Posted by: grandma at October 22, 2008 11:33 PM (Tv4NW)
I have enough firearms and ammo to ward off any intruders. I have a 12 GA riot gun by the front door and my loaded AR-15 will join it before Nov 4. My .45 ACP sleeps by me. The rest of my guns will be loaded and easily accessible. Bring it on Chuck. I DO need more target practice!
I am voting early tomorrow, so I will be able to keep an eye on things later. It will be interesting to see how things unfold.
I predict a win for McCain. Obama just doesn't cut it as Commander in Chief. Baraq is a Social psychopath at minimum, a communist most probably. I don't think that is what we need.
Posted by: Marc Boyd at October 23, 2008 12:26 AM (Zoziv)
The reference to "urban Democrats" by Confederate Yankee is a joke; does anyone really think Confederate Yankee is referring to anyone other than black Democrats? Come on! Say what you really think. Don't be politically correct.
Posted by: zftsg at October 23, 2008 12:40 AM (1arCl)
Forgetaboutit.
I am voting for McCain/Palin, because I want LEADERS
If the blacks want to riot, go for it.
Rioters burn down their own neighborhoods,
and now there is no money to rebuild them.
Posted by: Marvin at October 23, 2008 12:56 AM (pv/TI)
Maybe you shouldn't project so much...
Posted by: Patrick Chester at October 23, 2008 01:54 AM (RezbN)
Not before you clean your room you won't, little mister.
You really need to get the picture here: You guys are going to lose.
Then why are you so angry? Relax, you've won.
Posted by: Jim Treacher at October 23, 2008 04:01 AM (NV3P1)
Posted by: funkydoowopper at October 23, 2008 04:55 AM (sFyyU)
If the libs and blacks want to riot, then we can accommodate our own defense, I'm sure.
Posted by: wavynavy at October 23, 2008 07:10 AM (AZmWb)
You seem intimately familiar with the politics and movements of the 1960s, but perhaps brushing up on more recent events would provide you with a bit of perspective. The folks in this thread nervously fondling their guns might provide a good starting point.
Posted by: grendelkhan at October 23, 2008 09:19 AM (IL7Gd)
This, of course, will drive the lefties into insane rage and the media and democrats will start screaming for the elimination of the electoral college and will be whining that Obama won because he had a popular vote win.
As you know, the reason for the electoral college was to prevent a few populous states from overriding the intent of the rest of the nation, but because the media only focuses on the national polls in the coverage of the election and since that's the primary place most people go for news, those same people expect Obama to win because he's leading nationally (with 7-10 point advantage in the weighting of democrats in the polls).
To Obama voters, you need to remember the New Hampshire, California and Texas primaries, where the media was crowing about huge turnout and Obama's lead in the polls. But that huge turnout was for him, it was for Hillary who became the underdog and voters were tired of hearing about the inevitability of the wunderkind, Obama.
Remember how Obama's polls tanked after his coming out party in Berlin and after his convention coronation. Regular people don't like to be told who they have to vote for. Hillary was inevitable, Obama is said to be inevitable.
The fact of the matter is that the race is much tighter when you look at the state-by-state races especially with Obama flagging in Pennsylvania because of his comments about bitter Americans and Murtha reinforcing that view.
Posted by: SAM at October 23, 2008 10:12 AM (AA4pX)
If any of us are fondling our guns it is in response to some of the very violent threats being made by Liberal trolls in this thread. They're the ones coming to one of our blogs, making threats. Not the other way around.
Posted by: Jayne Cobb at October 23, 2008 01:55 PM (/j9KS)
Posted by: Joe at October 23, 2008 04:16 PM (4Mn/q)
Back in 2004, they showed George Bush ahead by a few points and he ended up winning (by a few points).
Posted by: PopeRatzo at October 23, 2008 04:19 PM (7t29g)
The MSM are dead men walking and they know it, this election is their last hurrah and they went all in.
The silver lining in this repulsive election cycle is that ordinary citizens broke the MSM's hold on information, and that Olby's head might explode when McCain wins.
Posted by: BJM at October 23, 2008 04:38 PM (xzxBs)
However, with the total number of fraudulent voter registrations already discovered approaching 10 million and the number of states detecting massive voter fraud already over 1/4 of our Nation, as well as the discovery of tampered voting machines, it's not going to happen.
The election has already been stolen. Obama's 'election' is a fait accompli. It won't matter if all 300,000,000+ PEOPLE in the US vote for McCain, Obama will still miraculously win.
The Obama will not be ALLOWED to lose. He's going to be installed in the White House and confirmed by a Democrat Congress that is fully complicit with this on-going crime.
And we can enjoy reaching the same status as any African 'democracy' as Obama installs his new 're-education' programs.
Orion
Posted by: Orion at October 23, 2008 09:47 PM (8aDWK)
One of us is citing recent historical fact, with illustrative reference to nearby text. The other is going entirely by what random people on the internet say. I'm not seeing why you think your prognosticatory measures are superior to mine.
"The fact of the matter is that the race is much tighter when you look at the state-by-state races especially with Obama flagging in Pennsylvania because of his comments about bitter Americans and Murtha reinforcing that view."
Flagging how? There hasn't been a single poll in that list that shows a McCain lead for the last month and a half. There's wishful thinking, and then there's just making stuff up.
Posted by: grendelkhan at October 24, 2008 11:03 AM (IL7Gd)
I will take part in whatever I feel like doing if the election is stolen.
Takes a real mensch to torch somebody's car or a shopkeeper's business and scurry away. That's just the kind of people you-all are.
I'd take schadenfreude in watching you cretins burn down your own side of town, which you usually do when (in your own minds) provoked, except that, craven capitalist that I am, I realize you'll be trashing the property and dreams of decent, hard-working people who have the misfortune of living among such as you.
And that's the kind of people we-all are.
Posted by: furious at October 24, 2008 11:28 AM (c0fAX)
Block The Vote
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23638322/block_the_vote
Enjoy
Leslie Garner
Posted by: Leslie Garner at October 24, 2008 03:28 PM (Cup/2)
Posted by: im2n2this at October 24, 2008 10:26 PM (9NWdQ)
It is not so much anti-McCain. It is the failure of Bush/Cheney...and Obama just connected more in this hard times.
Early voting heavy.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/oct/24/rockycbs4-poll-obama-has-12-point-lead-state/
Posted by: nogopostal at October 25, 2008 08:46 AM (vDZT3)
Posted by: rick at October 26, 2008 02:18 PM (ypguG)
Hopefully none of this will come to pass, for it would be terrible for us all if a presidential election in the United States of America bred violence.
Perhaps it truly is time to revisit the question of secession. Maybe "blue state" Americans and "red state" Americans must go their separate ways. This, at any rate, would prove to be a peaceable and peaceful resolution of our division(s).
Posted by: Jack at October 27, 2008 03:53 PM (aVr70)
Does anyone here realize that the vast majority of Americans would read this stuff and know you all are off your freaking rockers.
Posted by: amazing at October 27, 2008 04:12 PM (J/7Ob)
Do you mean like the Katrina panic?
At this point the expectation is so overwhelming and so ferocious that I shudder to think of what will happen if Obama loses. The fact that I write this even though the Zogby poll coming out tomorrow (which is hardly a right-skewing poll) - puts the undecideds at 6% and the difference between Obama and McCain at about 4%. Clearly it is still possibly for McCain to win. Seems unlikely, but you never know. In this climate, its not hard to imagine hundreds of thousands of people in key swing states saying "Obama" to whoever calls them on the phone, but pulling the level for McCain. That's just the climate out there.
Posted by: notlookinggood at October 28, 2008 01:07 AM (/SuRN)
Ayers in 2002 While Working With Obama: "I'm as Much An Anarchist As I Am A Marxist"
Bill Ayers has never made his Marxism a secret, as can be attested in this radio interview that was taped in 2002, as Ayers and his protégé Barack Obama were working together on the board of directors at the ultra-liberal Woods Fund.
And it's not that Barack Obama wants to punish our success. He just wants to spread our wealth around. Hope. Change. Marxism. Anarachism. Isn't that what we all want for America?
"I considered myself partially an anarchist then and consider myself partially an anarchist now. I mean, I'm as much an anarchist as I am a Marxist, which is to say that I find a lot of the ideas of anarchism appealing..."
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Posted by: Objective Scrutator at October 22, 2008 10:57 AM (+M5Sm)
Secularism OS? Really?
Posted by: megapotamus at October 22, 2008 02:13 PM (LF+qW)
Posted by: DirtCrashr at October 22, 2008 03:57 PM (VNM5w)
Posted by: jana at October 22, 2008 09:18 PM (vSRlG)
Works for me anyway.
Posted by: douglas at October 23, 2008 05:12 AM (20QoQ)
Posted by: ts at October 23, 2008 06:59 AM (y+vjf)
As I like to say, my politics are three martinis away from being an anarchist, but at my age, I pass out after two. And in any event, it is the Spooner-Tucker-Nock strand of anarchism, I want government to leave me alone, I DON'T want to run through teh streets dressed in black trashing Starbucks to protest globalization.
Posted by: Anthony at October 23, 2008 04:56 PM (kK8y1)
Summing Up The Race For The Presidency in Two Headlines
Obama to Ellen: I'm a Better Dancer Than McCainPosted by: Confederate Yankee at 06:56 AM | Comments (27) | Add Comment | Trackbacks (Suck)
Posted by: Roberta at October 22, 2008 07:39 AM (jqm25)
Posted by: Objective Scrutator at October 22, 2008 10:54 AM (+M5Sm)
I'm Joe
That's the theme of this new McCain ad.
Why should I work hard just so that Barack Obama can tax me more and "spread the wealth around?"
The Spartacus theme resonates on a couple of different levels. First, we have everyone identifying with a beleaguered hero as a way of supporting him, but let’s also recall the circumstances of Spartacus. Spartacus led a rebellion of slaves against the government that oppressed them. Joe the Plumber has led a rebellion against an oppressive governing philosophy that erodes the notion of private property and would make taxpayers into serfs to the lords of Washington DC. That kind of message resonates. People may want services from the federal government, but they don’t want outright redistributionism, where the government transfers cash from those who pay taxes to those who don’t. Barack Obama’s tax plan does just that.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 06:49 AM | Comments (37) | Add Comment | Trackbacks (Suck)
Now go and put this saddle on your back. Lord Obama is all booted and spurred and is looking for a good ride.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at October 22, 2008 09:21 AM (O9Cc8)
Posted by: Gator at October 22, 2008 09:51 AM (uaTZE)
Posted by: cmblake6 at October 22, 2008 03:15 PM (QSVQf)
Posted by: John Ryan at October 22, 2008 04:07 PM (xrV8E)
What about the claim, based on Joe the Plumber’s complaint, that ordinary working Americans would face higher taxes under Mr. Obama? Well, Mr. Obama proposes raising rates on only the top two income tax brackets — and the second-highest bracket for a head of household starts at an income, after deductions, of $182,400 a year.
So, from 250,000 to 182,400, a reduction of 67,600... and that's before the election. How much lower is it gonna go when Obama does like Bill Clinton did and say that he really can't make it work by just taxing those who make over 182,400, so he needs to make it lower.
And that's not even talking about how higher taxes will impact businesses... you know, those evil entities that actually employ people. And we're also not talking about what happens when those millionaires stop buying Cadillacs and yachts and such... what happens to the middle-class people who work making the Cadillacs and yachts?
You cannot, I say again, you cannot encourage prosperity by taking money away from people.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 22, 2008 05:09 PM (sII0T)
Joe goes to Joe's Gas Station and spreads some of his wealth there. He goes to Joe's Grocery and spreads some of his wealth there. He goes to Joe's Shoes and spreads some of his wealth there. And so on and so forth.
This is the capitalist system in a nutshell: those that provide a good or service that people want or desire get paid for it.
By the way, if Obama is really dedicated to absolute equality, why doesn't he share some of his campaign funds with McCain, in the name of "fairness"? Let's see Obama spread some of his own wealth around for a change!
Posted by: C-C-G at October 22, 2008 06:54 PM (sII0T)
Posted by: OCBill at October 22, 2008 07:16 PM (WGXy4)
It actually makes economic sense that every dollar a millionaire investor makes is more dependent on the government services our taxes support than the dollars that an average "joe" makes in his neighborhood working locally. Many of the huge costs of government such as regulating the economy and enforcing laws benefit the rich to a greater degree than the middle class. How much would the oil companies have to spend to defend their oil supply lines if the US Military were not there to keep the prices low? How much more money would be lost to greed and corruption if there were no SEC? To me higher taxes on incomes above middle class subsistence make economic sense. It might even be a good deal but it certainly is not socialist thievery. Theivery is getting something for nothing like the huge tax reaks on the rich started by George Bush and continued by John McCain if he gets his way.
Posted by: Terry at October 22, 2008 07:30 PM (DCo8F)
In 2005 (the latest year I could find data on), the top 10% of earners already pay nearly 55% of the total tax revenues! And that number has been on an upward trend since 2002 when it was "only" a little over 49%. And that's total taxes, if we look only at individual taxes, it's even worse, in 2005 the top 10% paid nearly 73% of the individual tax revenues. And that number has been rising steadily at least since 1979 (the oldest year I can find data for). (Source)
Now, tell me again that "the rich" don't pay enough taxes, and I'll laugh in your face.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 22, 2008 07:44 PM (sII0T)
Posted by: megapotamus at October 23, 2008 12:52 PM (jYgvo)
Single people hit the top two tax brackets at $164,550.
Married people filing jointly hit the top two tax brackets at $200,300.
Married people filing separately hit the top two tax brackets at $100,150.
So if, as is expected, Barack Socialist Obama raises tax rates for the top two brackets, it will hit people making a lot less than $250,000.
Hope and Change, hmmm? You'd better Hope that Barack leaves the Change in your pocket when he takes the paper money out.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 23, 2008 05:17 PM (sII0T)
"Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece
By the way, this rich man was complaining about NOT paying ENOUGH taxes and thought it was absolutely ludicrous that the top 1% got away with not paying a higher percentage.
I guess this is where I say "IN YOUR FACE" if the situation were not so serious and the right-wing nutjobs that like to pretend that reality is just another Republican talking-point had a damn clue.
Posted by: Wilson at October 26, 2008 02:50 PM (lDzHl)
October 21, 2008
The Comprehensive Argument Against Barack Obama
A very well-done bit of research, pointing out the facts about Barack Obama, and supporting those facts with video of Obama in his own words.
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Posted by: Objective Scrutator at October 22, 2008 12:58 AM (S4D4e)
that Obama is, and may have been all the time
he has been in the United States, a “plant”
by the Jihad and/or the World of Islam to
destroy Israel, the Diaspora and/or the United
States, as a Christian Nation. Muslims pulled
off 9-11, and that was only a “Boy Scout
Weiner Roast” compared to what I fear the
Jihad and/or Muslim World have in store
for us next time they hit us unexpectedly,
like they did in Lebanon--at the Marine Barracks--
and at--and on-- 9-11. The United States will be
stupid to elect a president that there are so
many unanswered questions about. Whenever
did an unknow Black person with so little going
for him as Obama has had in the past, and who
has recently come out of nowhere and run for
president and raised more money that the
Republicans ever dreamed of raising for
a candidate! Recently Obama’s Campaign
announced that he had raised $150-Million
just last month. I suspect--don’t know,
of course--that the bulk of that money
came from the Jihad and/or Muslim World,
both at home in the U.S. and world-wide.
Obama may in fact be a “born-again Christian”, but his position on abortion--to say the least--makes me wonder. No doubt he does have his roots
in Islam, even from a child. Now if he is
indeed a “born-again” Christian, that is
great; but, the fact that all the rest of the
Christian U.S.A.--and Jews in Israel and
in the U.S.--inclucing all the Diaspora
wherever--is just the price he has to pay
for accepting Christ as his Saviour. If I
am wrong--and I hope I am--especially
if he were to get elected--God will take
care of him and reward him appropriately
here on earth and/or in Heaven; but to be
on the safe side, the U.S. had better not
elect Obama as president, at least until
more is learned about him and his back-
ground, real support and/or true motives.
Well, as I am wont to say, there is more
to it all than this, but this something to
think about. Thanks for taking the time
to read this and give it your consideration!
Sincerely,
Hardy Parkerson, Chairman
Louisiana Democratic Caucus for McCain-Palin
Posted by: Hardy Parkerson at October 23, 2008 07:31 PM (TLLT4)
Kossacks Target Mormons for Harassment, "Opposition Research"
Kinda like what they pulled on Joe the Plumber, but with a more specific policy goal in mind, crushing a proposition against gay marriage by targeting those who have contributed to the campaign.
You of course understand the basic message being touted by this thug. He's all for the freedom of speech, just not for those who hold different beliefs. He firmly believes his opinion is more valid than that of others, and he wants ammunition to blackmail those with dissenting opinions into silence. I think Jonah Goldberg had a word for folks like this, didn't he?
So what am I asking you to do? Some distributed research. There is a list of a bunch of Mormon donors to the Yes on Proposition 8 campaign (in case that one goes down, here's a mirror with slightly worse formatting. Here's what I'm asking for: This list contains information about those who are big donors to the Yes on 8 campaign--donors to the tune of at least $1,000 dollars. And, as you can see, there are a lot of them. It also indicates if they're Mormon or not. If you're interested in defeating the religious right and preserving marriage equality, here's how you can help: Find us some ammo. Use any LEGAL tool at your disposal. Use OpenSecrets to see if these donors have contributed to...shall we say...less than honorable causes, or if any one of these big donors has done something otherwise egregious. If so, we have a legitimate case to make the Yes on 8 campaign return their contributions, or face a bunch of negative publicity. There are a crapload of donors on this list--so please focus on the larger ones first. $5,000 or more is a good threshold to start with. Feel free to use Lexis-Nexis searches as well for anything useful, especially given that these people are using "morality" as their primary motivation to support Prop 8...if you find anything that belies that in any way...well, you know what to do. If you find anything good, please email it to:
equalityresearch at gmail dot com. Here's the bottom line for me: if someone is willing to contribute thousands of dollars to a campaign to take away legal rights from some very dear friends of mine, they had damn well make sure their lives are beyond scrutiny--because I, for one, won't take it lying down.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 12:04 PM | Comments (38) | Add Comment | Trackbacks (Suck)
CA DSCC elected delegate, AD-42
Member, CDP Platform Committee
Vice-President, Los Angeles County Young Democrats
And, as it appears, he's been going door to door in Nevada, telling a state full of religious people how Comrade Obama respects their beliefs and faith and right to express themselves.
While of course calling for jihad against them once he gets home.
Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at October 21, 2008 12:28 PM (E3Yxq)
Posted by: Penfold at October 21, 2008 02:02 PM (lF2Kk)
Posted by: A.B. at October 21, 2008 04:32 PM (gM6DH)
Posted by: salfter at October 21, 2008 05:21 PM (n7IJD)
Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at October 21, 2008 05:38 PM (J5AYY)
Posted by: C-C-G at October 21, 2008 05:47 PM (sII0T)
Dude, that's so 1970's.
Posted by: PA at October 21, 2008 06:56 PM (OqXyp)
Heh.
(Although I remember the 70's, and progressives weren't so tolerant and respectful back then either.)
Posted by: pst314 at October 21, 2008 08:15 PM (WjPRb)
Lefties are only tolerant of other lefties... anyone else is not worthy of tolerance.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 21, 2008 08:26 PM (sII0T)
The schools don't hand out pamplets stating that marriage between a man and a woman should be accepted, yet they are handing out pamplets for gay marriages to the young kids. Whats next porn videos during recess and alcoholic beverages for lunch? Get real people if you want the normal people to shut up about there opinions on gay marriages then you shut up on your side about making everyone accept your opinion. Free speech is free speech for everyone not just those who want to corrupt the minds of the innocent youth. The world is becomming a screwed up confusing place as it is,lets let the parents teach their children at home about what they feel is appropriate behavior for marriage. At what point did we decide that the schools and the government should tell teach our children things we don't want taught without our knowledge or approval.You don't want Mormonism taught in the schools, if any teacher had you child bring home Mormon literatue and you found out that the missionarys came and taught your child during an assembly you would all freak out and yet you feel it's okay for you to teach about gay marriages and we should take it sitting down. Talk about double standards free speech is for everyone unless you don't agree with the radicals that want to corrupt everything good and decent in the world.
Posted by: lisa hansen at October 22, 2008 12:02 PM (pfgb6)
These people have GOT to be on welfare. They spend WAY too much time proselytizing their doctrine to be able to afford some time to do anything else.
Posted by: Objective Scrutator at October 22, 2008 05:02 PM (+M5Sm)
Are You Going To Vote With Him?
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Posted by: Tonto (USA) at October 21, 2008 05:11 PM (Qv1xF)
Posted by: Zhombre at October 21, 2008 05:59 PM (WfSvm)
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Posted by: megapotamus at October 22, 2008 02:15 PM (LF+qW)
Posted by: megapotamus at October 22, 2008 02:18 PM (LF+qW)
October 20, 2008
Orson Scott Card Rips the MSM
Orson Scott Card eviscerates those Democratic Party flacks that call themselves journalists.
A taste of The Last Honest Reporter:There's much more at the link. Card, by the way, is a Democrat.
If you had any personal honor, each reporter and editor would be insisting on telling the truth — even if it hurts the election chances of your favorite candidate. Because that's what honorable people do. Honest people tell the truth even when they don't like the probable consequences. That's what honesty means . That's how trust is earned. Barack Obama is just another politician, and not a very wise one. He has revealed his ignorance and naivete time after time — and you have swept it under the rug, treated it as nothing. Meanwhile, you have participated in the borking of Sarah Palin, reporting savage attacks on her for the pregnancy of her unmarried daughter — while you ignored the story of John Edwards's own adultery for many months. So I ask you now: Do you have any standards at all? Do you even know what honesty means? Is getting people to vote for Barack Obama so important that you will throw away everything that journalism is supposed to stand for? You might want to remember the way the National Organization of Women threw away their integrity by supporting Bill Clinton despite his well-known pattern of sexual exploitation of powerless women. Who listens to NOW anymore? We know they stand for nothing; they have no principles. That's where you are right now. It's not too late. You know that if the situation were reversed, and the truth would damage McCain and help Obama, you would be moving heaven and earth to get the true story out there. If you want to redeem your honor, you will swallow hard and make a list of all the stories you would print if it were McCain who had been getting money from Fannie Mae, McCain whose campaign had consulted with its discredited former CEO, McCain who had voted against tightening its lending practices. Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which put our nation's prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama's door. You will also tell the truth about John McCain: that he tried, as a Senator, to do what it took to prevent this crisis. You will tell the truth about President Bush: that his administration tried more than once to get Congress to regulate lending in a responsible way. This was a Congress-caused crisis, beginning during the Clinton administration, with Democrats leading the way into the crisis and blocking every effort to get out of it in a timely fashion.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 10:35 PM | Comments (55) | Add Comment | Trackbacks (Suck)
Witness the bemused articles about that strange mystic land Alaska from the metrosexual media - or think about their shock the first time they went to Crawford, TX. Or consider the regular as clockwork stories that show up around Christmas and Easter along the lines of "Who was this Jesus guy, anyway, and does he still matter today?"
The fact is, most major journalists are not writing for flyover country, and would probably smile indulgently if one suggested they might be making themselves irrelevant. They would counter that it's flyover country that's irrelevant. So why be concerned with what those Wal-Mart shopping rubes think of them?
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at October 20, 2008 11:58 PM (Vcyz0)
Even though President Bush and his administration never said that Iraq sponsored or was linked to 9/11, you could not stand the fact that Americans had that misapprehension — so you pounded us with the fact that there was no such link. (Along the way, you created the false impression that Bush had lied to them and said that there was a connection.) [emph added]
Stupid Americans.
Posted by: Grace Nearing at October 21, 2008 01:13 AM (I4yBD)
Steve, you are absolutely right. One of the reasons for this is that although they (the MSM) see themselves as members of "the elite" they are not in fact very smart. I actually went to high school with Pinch Sulzberger. Trust me, if he hadn't inherited his job he wouldn't have gotten as far in journalism as Jimmy Olsen.
Posted by: Gary Rosen at October 21, 2008 03:22 AM (mB/JC)
http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_10741575
Posted by: Nina at October 21, 2008 06:58 AM (cHSOu)
Posted by: John Ryan at October 21, 2008 07:05 AM (xrV8E)
J-schools have been recruiting advocacy-oriented "world changers" since the very early 1970s when the Ayers types shifted into universities and found J-schools to be both the most attractive and possessing the lowest entry standards. For nearly 40 years, the overwhelming majority of their product has been incapable of correctly interpreting ethics. As a Fortune 500 governance, risk & compliance professional, I'm consistently fascinated with alternate ethical models (a discovery method we employ in assessing executive behavior to identify factors that affect risk taking dynamics and related governance and compliance issues). I'm used to encountering numerous forms of rationalization, like the "we just have to gun it this one time (again) to make our numbers... our unit is down in numbers and we'll lose our jobs, so yea, we have to cut some corners and ignore a few rules - it's for the greater good. We’ll go back to following the rules *after* we get back on track and hit our numbers."
Journalists, on the other hand, are a serious mess. Whether it's an underlying problem with never living your own life and always reporting another's or simply the fact that the field attracts mindless advocates and causes students with a clue about ethics to change to a different major, so many I've encountered are so seriously messed up that they've developed an unbalanced need to please an ideological cause they associate with. More importantly, the lack any internal reference point to assess their presentation to evaluate for objectivity (I could digress further on how many j-schools now preach that objectivity is an elusive myth but won't).
That their product is advocacy and marketing for the political machine they seek to be recognized and accepted by is no surprise and we will never reform the current lot. Alternate collaborative media, where the exchange and clashing of ideas is actually welcome and programmed thought found distasteful, is where we need to continue to focus our efforts. Try this today: show 2-3 coworkers every day some of the top blogs where ideas are truly explored and objectivity found through the clashing process. Read the Wiki on Milton's Areopagita: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areopagitica
Posted by: redherkey at October 21, 2008 08:59 AM (kjqFg)
http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
Obviously, few journalists have read it and fewer still follow it. The first block is entitled, "Seek Truth and Report It."
Posted by: arch at October 21, 2008 09:21 AM (8COlj)
In my case, I got back into high school debate coaching which I juggle with a hectic professional career and have found it to be a great path to instilling critical thinking in otherwise under-developed minds. Too little in our K-12 programs teaches applied learning and ignores any development and awareness of the learning process itself. In policy debate for instance, we teach a concept called clash - where the opposing debaters must get past their canned speeches and prepared briefs and attack the other debater's arguments. Clash discovers truth, as it goes (something Milton advocated in Areopagitica). Clash, skeptical analysis of cited evidence (useful for destroying an opponent's argument when they refer to global warming junk from Newsweek), attacking argument links (which the MSM constantly fumbles over) and other argumentation theories are powerful foundations for fighting progressivism's mindless paradigm.
In the day-to-day coaching of these students, I've had several who blindly supported Obama profess shock and surprise that their critical-thinking coach doesn't love the Great One. When I challenge them to critically explain why they support him using what we've learned in debate, they often have a shocking realization: they don't have a factual, evidence-supported foundation. Each pro-Obama issue taken to its root is found to be unanchored, resting solely on faith in the Great One as preached by the Church of the MSM.
So get engaged in your school district. If you know debate, I can guarantee your help is always welcome - debate has seen huge hits in funding since the 1990s and money shifted to speech (persuading and aspiring to be Hollywood like and even has pro-MSM activities like “radio news delivery” and government-admiring student congress events, not developing critical reasoning ability). Many large districts have saddled the new english teacher with debate duty (to which they have no qualification), so volunteers are readily able to come in and rescue the ailing programs. If you know business or another profession, get out there and help protect a few young minds from being consumed!
Posted by: redherkey at October 21, 2008 09:41 AM (kjqFg)
Posted by: Neo at October 21, 2008 09:53 AM (Yozw9)
Posted by: twolaneflash at October 21, 2008 10:06 AM (05dZx)
But let's begin with the John Edwards canard. People on the right cite this over and over as an example of the media's leftward bias. It's true that reports of Edwards' infidelity were out months before Edwards finally admitted it publicly. And it's true that none of the mainstream media outlets covered the story.
But it had nothing to do with Edwards being a Democrat. It had to do with the source - The National Enquirer. Do you really think the NYT or WaPo should have used the Enquirer as a source for a charge about marital infidelity? Really?
Because if you do, then we have to ask why those same papers aren't printing stories about Sarah Palin's alleged affair with her husband's business partner, as is currently being reported in the Enquirer. Is it some rightward bias that makes the Times reluctant to print stories of the affair? Is the Post protecting a GOP politician because they're trying to cover something up?
Come on, people. Use your heads.
Card writes about savage attacks on Palin's daughter? Where? Someone please point me to a savage attack made in the MSM against Palin's daughter. I read left-leaning media every day and not once have I seen any attack, not even a mild rebuke, against this young girl. Please, one source, that's all I ask.
Questions have been raised about how the GOP would have responded had this been an Obama daughter. You don't have to look any farther than Fox referring to Michelle Obama as Barack's "baby mama," a term implying unwed motherhood, to guess how that would go.
And it's true that Orson Scott Card is a Democrat, but he is hardly a liberal. He loves George Bush and describes himself as a Tony Blair Democrat because he doesn't agree with anyone to the left of Zell Miller.
From Card's column: Barack Obama is just another politician, and not a very wise one. He has revealed his ignorance and naivete time after time — and you have swept it under the rug, treated it as nothing.
This, my friends, is an opinion. Notice, Card offers nothing to support his argument. He just puts it out there and because you agree with his opinion, you take it as fact. And then you ask why the MSM doesn't print this fact.
I support Card's right to make his case, but this doesn't do it any more than me saying George Bush is illiterate (which I don't believe, by the way) without offering any evidence. It would be just an opinion.
I know I won't change any minds here. You will continue to sccream about liberal bias in the media. But don't read something like this piece by Card as proof, because it ain't there.
Read critically and keep an open mind and don't swallow bushwa just because it fits your preconceptions. It does your cause no favors.
Posted by: David Terrenoire at October 21, 2008 01:32 PM (LUDhw)
Posted by: megapotamus at October 21, 2008 02:37 PM (LF+qW)
I had to go back to it,however, when reading David's comment, because I thought the bulk of the article was on the media being activist by not reporting on the obvious Fanniemac connections to specific democrats (including Obama) and Dem party policy...
Posted by: usinkorea at October 21, 2008 02:45 PM (kFF1i)
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/700_billion_blame_game.html
But I'm open to honest debate. I just don't think anyone, and I mean anyone, who blames this all on one party and one effort, is being honest. That's the problem I had with Card's piece. He conveniently leaves out some facts that make the GOP equally culpable.
Check it out.
As for megapotamus's conviction that there are no honest brokers in this, I disagree. For every reporter who made up a "kill him," I can point to a dozen others who spin things another way - like Sue Schmidt at the Post; Judith Miller, formerly at the NYT and now with Fox; Fred Hiatt, editorial page editor of the Post; and Nedra Pickler of the AP. Every one of them have had numerous incidents of being blatantly in the tank for the right.
Is there bias? I can't say it doesn't exist. But this column of Card's had about as much fact in it as one of Olbermann's Special Comments.
No one is pure. That's why I encourage everyone to read widely and keep an open mind. For instance, I thought Phil Gramm was responsible for this mess, but I read and found out he's not. So, I had to change my mind.
I still think he's an opportunistic weasel, but for Enron and the S&Ls, not this debacle.
Again, read a lot and read widely. Be skeptical and read critically. If you do, you'll see that Card is being a political hack here, no more and no less.
And usinkorea, I appreciate the open-minded response. Thanks.
Posted by: David Terrenoire at October 21, 2008 03:28 PM (LUDhw)
What qualifies Barack Hussein Obama to be President of the United States? What has he done to prove he can handle the job? Why haven't the media asked him the questions about his past? He has no public record of consequence. How can a voter make an informed decision to vote for Obama without factual information about the man?
If you believe he should be the commander in chief of the most powerful military on the planet, the leader of the free world, the CEO of the world's largest enterprise - the US government with a budget of $2.6 trillion, what evidence can you cite that makes you believe it.
I know he has no military experience and he has never run a real company. He used drugs and admitted it - a fact that would keep him from a commission in the military. He squandered $110 M of public & private on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge with no success. Until Emil Jones, Jr. took over the Illinois Senate, Obama had done zero in six years as a state senator.
I was a plebe at the Naval Academy when the Soviets decided to "test" JFK - a US Naval officer with combat experience, representative and two term senator. It was frightening. Who will test Obama? Can we afford to have this inexperienced young man in the Oval Office. What do you know that I do not?
I know John McCain and he has my vote.
Posted by: arch at October 21, 2008 04:18 PM (8COlj)
Posted by: PA at October 21, 2008 04:29 PM (OqXyp)
Posted by: Tonto (USA) at October 21, 2008 05:48 PM (Qv1xF)
What do you really know about Palin? She's given variations of one speech that other people wrote for her. She won't hold a press conference or sit for an interview with anyone who is not on her side. What is she trying to hide?
I'm not dismissing her, I just don't know what she's accomplished. The things I do know, don't make me feel very comfortable with her as McCain's VP.
On the other hand, you know that Obama worked his backside off, taking student loans, graduated from Harvard (he didn't tell them he was a minority until after he'd been accepted, which speaks volumes about his character) and instead of opting for a clerk position with a Federal judge, or a high-paying job on Wall Street, he committed himself to helping unemployed steel workers for 12 grand a year.
And in the past year he's run a successful, multi-million dollar enterprise with discipline and vision. My God, his name is Barack Hussein Obama and he's black and he's still close to winning an election against a bona fide war hero. You don't do that just be being a media darling. He's done a whole lot of somethings right to get to this point, like him or hate him.
We know these things.
We also know that people, especially politicians, often find themselves working with less-than-savory characters. I was once in the same room with Ann Coulter, but please don't hold that against me.
What is Barry hiding? I don't know that he's hiding anything, but you obviously know better.
And yes, Sarah is hot and would probably be a hoot to go hunting with, I'll give you that. But CINC material?
As someone is famous for saying, Thanks but no thanks.
Posted by: David Terrenoire at October 21, 2008 06:13 PM (Bx4FB)
She went from city council member of Wasilla to mayor--defeating a 3-term incumbent, by the way--and then ran for Lt. Gov, and lost. However, she caught the eye of the victorious candidate, Frank Murkowski, who offered her several positions, including appearing on a short list of people to take Murkowski's vacated US Senate seat. She finally accepted a position on Alaska's Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, as chairwoman.
She later resigned that position in protest over the Murkowski administration's lack of action regarding ethics complaints about another commissioner--and that commissioner later pled guilty and paid a $12,000 fine.
She then ran for governor of Alaska against the very man who put her on the Oil and Gas Commission, Frank Murkowski, and won.
Now, here's the interesting part. Murkowski, who she disagreed with over the ethics complaint, and whom she defeated, is a Republican. And the commissioner who was the focus of the ethics complaint (who admitted he had broken the law, as I said before), Randy Ruedrich, is also a Republican... in fact, he'd been state Republican Party chairman before joining the Oil and Gas Commission.
Therefore, Palin has a long history of fighting for what's right, both against Democrats and Republicans. Can you show me even ONE time when Barack Obama has bucked the Democratic party?
Posted by: C-C-G at October 21, 2008 06:51 PM (sII0T)
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/background/story/510447.html (Part 1)
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/background/story/217384.html (Part 2)
Posted by: C-C-G at October 21, 2008 06:52 PM (sII0T)
Those are fine bona fides and impressive, but hardly what I would call a long history of fighting for what's right. But I'll give her credit where it's due.
As for Obama fighting against his party, he voted for the FISA bill against a lot of us in his party. I didn't like it and I called his office to tell him so.
His change on public financing, while smart and practical, wasn't something I agreed with.
I think Hillary's health care plan was better than his and her resume was certainly more impressive.
But I'm still voting for him because I believe he's a better leader and more capable of leading us out of this ditch we're in than McCain.
I'm OK if you don't agree. That's fine. But saying he has no accomplishments just isn't true. He's done more with his life than I've done with mine and some people would say I've done all right.
You know, it's all right if you support your guy without tearing down the other guy. That's what I've chosen to do with McCain. I don't have to say terrible things about him to make my decision look better. I just wish others here would grant your neighbors who disagree, good Americans all, the same respect.
Posted by: David Terrenoire at October 21, 2008 07:08 PM (Bx4FB)
What do you really know about Palin? She's given variations of one speech that other people wrote for her. She won't hold a press conference or sit for an interview with anyone who is not on her side. What is she trying to hide?
What community-based reality are you hiding in? As the campaign enters the home stretch, Palin has had more press availability than the other three candidates.
As for your claims about Obama... David I'm sorry to say this, but your flaly being dishonest, though it pains me to call you out as a liar.
On the other hand, you know that Obama worked his backside off, taking student loans, graduated from Harvard (he didn't tell them he was a minority until after he'd been accepted, which speaks volumes about his character) and instead of opting for a clerk position with a Federal judge, or a high-paying job on Wall Street, he committed himself to helping unemployed steel workers for 12 grand a year.
Barack Obama has does his level best to obscure his entire undergraduate career at both Occidental and Columbia. He won't reveal his transcripts, reveal the names of his roommates and friends, or even confirm the names of his college friends when they've been found. what is he trying to hide? As Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn were "just people in in that neighborhood" in Manhattan--and Dohrn did 7 months in prison for refusing to testify to a grand jury about the Brinks armored car robery that left two police officers and a Brinks guard dead just 22 miles way--at that same time, that is very relevant. Did Barack meet his mentor Ayers when his wife was still an active terrorist? We don't know, and your Messiah won't answer any questions about those entire years of his life.
Healso left a minimal footprint at Harvard, other than single tedious bit of scholarship at the law review that does not appear to come from the same author as that man who wrote both his books, those books, that once again, have a style, reading level, and use of language that matches that of Ayers, not Obama.
As for his time working with the poor, we all know that is where he first attempted to apply the radicalism he learned in college, and where he first ingratiated himself with ACORN. Yes, he's been that dirty, for that long.
And in the past year he's run a successful, multi-million dollar enterprise with discipline and vision.
No, he hasn't. David Axelrod is his campaign manager. Obama does not have any idea of how his campaign money is spent on a day-to-day basis, or how it is allocated. You're simply making this up.
My God, his name is Barack Hussein Obama and he's black and he's still close to winning an election against a bona fide war hero. You don't do that just be being a media darling. He's done a whole lot of somethings right to get to this point, like him or hate him.
Fair or foul, Bush is a two-term incumbent and an unpopular one at that, presiding over a faltering economy. Obama has captured the imagination and devotion of millions, some simply because of his skin color, some because of his rhetoric, and some because he's simply something new. Obama also has more than a half trillion--$500,000,000--spending advantage over McCain. A block of wood should have a 20-point lead with these tremendous advantages, and yet Barack's lead is slipping, and in some polls, is already at a statistical dead heat.
Only a complete neophyte could squander all these advantages, but Obama certainly has, and he now seems to be fading with two weeks to go.
We also know that people, especially politicians, often find themselves working with less-than-savory characters. I was once in the same room with Ann Coulter, but please don't hold that against me.
You have got to be kidding me.
Obama was in Wright's racist cult over 20 years, and considered him his mentor.. He also called lynching advocate and Farrakhan fan Pfleger his mentor and "moral compass" of 22 years. his most direct poltical influence and the "guy who sent him" in the corrupt underworld of Chicago politics is terrorist Bill Ayers, which he has known and worked with for a minimum of 21 years, and perhaps as long as 27 years if they knew each other at Columbia. Then there is Rezko, and the PLO supporter what's-his-name, etc, etc, etc.
Obama has spent decades surrounding himself with those who hate all those things most American's hold dear. Unless you shacked up with Coulter for 20 years because of a shared ideology, your comparison is a false one.
But then, everything about Obama is based on lies and spin, so why should your tale about the man be any different?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 21, 2008 07:20 PM (HcgFD)
Accusing me of saying something someone else said is hardly intelligent or mature debate.
While you're talking about showing others respect, perhaps you could respect others enough to at least pay attention to whom says what?
Posted by: C-C-G at October 21, 2008 07:21 PM (sII0T)
When I start being attacked and being called a liar instead of just wrong, or misguided or ill-informed, that's when I say good night, gentlemen.
Posted by: David Terrenoire at October 21, 2008 07:26 PM (Bx4FB)
That's where Card is dead on. The media is committing its most egregious crimes through what it is not reporting. It'd be like your external accountants looking at the books, seeing evidence of crime after crime, smiling and reporting they saw nothing (Worldcom anyone? Should we send Pinch to share a cell with Ebbers?). Who cares if in their massive effort to overlook crimes, they made a few false claims and smear some innocent people in a manner of misdirection. That's the side show that only idiots get wrapped up into.
The journalism industry is dead. Card is dead on. Now we need to pee on their grave and move on to making their replacement more effective.
Posted by: redherkey at October 21, 2008 07:29 PM (kjqFg)
Methinks someone is being a bit sensitive tonight. Could it be that you're upset about being shown that you're wrong about something?
Posted by: C-C-G at October 21, 2008 07:31 PM (sII0T)
Deep down the 0bama supporters know their man would have accomplished nothing in a strict meritocracy, and it drives them insane. Hence the constant misdirection whenever someone scrutinizes the him. They NEED to keep their quasi-mythological portrait of 0bama intact. 0bama support is akin to a religious experience, not politics, and its disciples don't take kindly to blasphemy about their prophet.
Posted by: Nine-of-Diamonds at October 21, 2008 09:46 PM (i7AH9)
Posted by: megapotamus at October 22, 2008 07:39 AM (MSoWt)
Are you just not paying attention, David?
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/20/politics/fromtheroad/entry4531447.shtml
http://tinyurl.com/5hudyb
Posted by: Pablo at October 22, 2008 09:07 AM (yTndK)
Posted by: Brian Ganek at October 22, 2008 11:42 AM (xBywU)
*"Wright's racist cult", there is no cult, there is an all-black church congregation in Illinois, and many members don't like white people, probably for good reason....as many of them, especially older ones have been victims of racism in thier lifetimes. Wright is a twice decorated Marine, yeah he is a nut, but this is not a racist cult. I think their a plenty of Black people who do not white people, I strongly disagree that Obama is one of them.
*The half a billion dollar advantage is out of context and simply not true, please post better and more factual research. Obama has 164 cash on hand, McCain has 132, those are the numbers, lets not get into it....this also does not take into account the extra Money Obama had to spend to beat Hillary.
*So David Axelrod is brilliant and Obama is nitwit? Karl Rove was brilliant and Bush was stupid? Where are we going with this? Who signs Axelrod's checks, sorry, Obama has been incredible leading organization, if just by recognizing who the man to do it was.
*McCain's trancripts have not been released either, it is uncommon for Presidents to release undergraduate grades. We know he worked in NYC for a year after Columbia before moving to Chicago, and really who cares? McCain was in the bottom 5 in class of almost 900, Bush was mediocre at best, non-issue not buying it...
*Your assertion about Palin is ludicrous. No Press conferences, NONE!!! People world about her capacity to take tough questions. Sorry man, but she is pretty bad....If the running mates were reversed what would you think.....
Can you say 5 things bad about McCain and 5 good about Obama? I can. I can say 5 things I like about McCain, and an addition 5 things I don't like about Obama, then another 5 comparisons where I pick McCain over Obama.....still going with Obama, becasue I am objective and honest and not a person with Neocon blinders on
Posted by: Paul Cunningham at October 22, 2008 01:38 PM (CRYXF)
Trinity United Church, pastored by Jeremiah Wright, preached Black Liberation Theology, created by James Cone in the 1960s by applying the philosophies espoused by the Black Panthers and Malcolm X to go up against what he called "the white mans' religion," Christianity.
It is based upon black supremacy and Marxist liberation theology that was prevalent in South America. How cultish is it? They believe if God isn't "black" then he must be killed. That's a cult in any Christian's book, and not just mine. A Catholic Cardinal some years ago thought liberation theology was such a heresy that he excommunicated those priests who practiced it. That Cardinal, Joseph Ratzinger, is now Pope Benedict XVI.
The half billion advantage is of course true; Obama's campaign has raised more than $600 million directly, including $150 million last month. McCain, by accepting public financing, is limited to $84 million for the entire campaign, though the RNC has some cash that it spreads around as well. Apples-to-apples, the more-than half-trillion Obama advantage is accurate.
Signing Axelrod's checks is just about all Obama has done, other than read a teleprompter. Other than that, I fail to see how interviewing for a job is proof of competency for that job, which is at the core of your inane argument.
McCain was well known as a crappy student, and he hasn't built up his campaign based upon his academic success. His transcripts don't matter. Barack Obama, however, has played the Ivy League education to the hilt as a significant part of his qualifications since he has no leadership experience, and when you don't have the experience, and boast of your educational background, you owe us your transcripts.
As for Palin's recent press availability compared to Biden, Obama, and McCain, is is an absolute fact:
But the candidate who has been criticized for having a bunker mentality when it came to the national media can now lay legitimate claim to being more accessible than either Joe Biden or Barack Obama.
In the past two days alone, Palin has answered questions from her national press corps on three separate occasions. On Saturday, she held another plane availability, and on Sunday, she offered an impromptu press conference on the tarmac upon landing in Colorado Springs. A few minutes later, she answered even more questions from reporters during an off-the-record stop at a local ice cream shop.
By contrast, Biden hasn't held a press conference in more than a month, and Obama hasn't taken questions from his full traveling press corps since the end of September. John McCain—who spent most of the primary season holding what seemed like one, never-ending media availability—hasn't done one since Sept. 23.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 22, 2008 02:29 PM (HcgFD)
Oh, and if you want to see a REAL attack, check any instance of a lefty blog sighting anyone to the right of Walter Mondale and get back to us.
Posted by: megapotamus at October 22, 2008 02:32 PM (LF+qW)
Good News! Biden Promises an International Incident to Test Obama if He's Elected, and Also Promises Obama Will Screw It Up
Joe Biden's greatest gift/curse is an apparent inability to censor himself, and he admitted yesterday that Obama's utter inexperience and lack of leadership will cause anti-American regimes to target us as a result:
How will Obama respond to this crisis? Biden is convinced that Obama is going to screw it up, and he's asking supporters to bear with him anyway before getting immediate buyer's remorse.
"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."
Good grief. Has any Vice President in U.S. electoral history ever made it more clear that his running mate is completely unfit for the office that he seeks? And if Biden dosn't have faith in Obama, why should the rest of us? Update: Perfunction has partial audio.
"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."
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Posted by: edh at October 20, 2008 12:13 PM (OjT5k)
Posted by: Jack is Back! at October 20, 2008 12:17 PM (J3zIQ)
It was touch and go there for awhile, I am told. A false step could have ended us into a nuclear war.
Does anyone in their right mind want Obama at the helm when (according to Biden) this situation comes down? Will Obama have a single clue about "when to hold them and when to fold them"? Will Obama overcompensate (e.g. invade Pakistan)? Will Obama appease (e.g. allow the РФ to break up Ukraine or allow Iran nuclear weapons)?
Obama won't be able to vote present on this one. And Slow Joe Biden will advise him? Ayers? Wright? Farrakhan? Powers? Bernie Sanders (the Socialist in the Senate that was to the right of Obama)?
Being under the rule of the stupid and the insane is a frightening thought....
Posted by: iconoclast at October 20, 2008 12:25 PM (ex0JG)
News to you Joe, that's never going to be apparent. But don't you worry yourself, the media will cover for you. Being a Democrat, after all, is never having to admit culpability.
Posted by: Hogarth at October 20, 2008 12:29 PM (0tHG6)
Posted by: Tom at October 20, 2008 12:29 PM (ymQzl)
Biden is giving hints early so his people will be prepared when the opportunity appears.
These guys are so smart! They think so far ahead! Can there be any doubt that He Who May Not Be Questioned is truly the One?
I'm in Awe.
Posted by: guess'd at October 20, 2008 12:34 PM (m+lLi)
2) std operating practice, btw.
at the height of the clinton/lewinsky scandal I went for a checkup. my doctor spent a lot of time repeating Dem talking points. I was shocked and offended. but he was a liberal Democrat and the word had gone out to use their influence in the community.
Posted by: Jim,MtnViewCA,USA at October 20, 2008 12:36 PM (Pson9)
You know they called Quayle a moron for less
Posted by: Hawkins at October 20, 2008 01:14 PM (pKjWO)
He's predicting an event, like Israel bombing Iran's nuclear facilities during the first 6 months.
Then, when Iran retaliates, the Obama administration will not come to Israel's aid.
That choice, will not be "apparent that we're right".
That's my bet.
Posted by: gman at October 20, 2008 01:18 PM (HJ32c)
You know they called Quayle a moron for less
Posted by Hawkins at October 20, 2008 01:14 PM
I think Dan Quayle at least could count to 4, something Slow Joe Biden seems to be unable to do.
But Joe probably knows how many states there are in the Union.
Posted by: iconoclast at October 20, 2008 01:33 PM (ex0JG)
From Stanley Karnow's "Vietnam: A History"
Posted by: nabisco kid at October 20, 2008 01:34 PM (oDo3P)
Posted by: L.Jay at October 20, 2008 01:36 PM (GAf+S)
Posted by: moptop at October 20, 2008 01:47 PM (I5axq)
L.Jay -- It's Mahdi. The "Mad Mullah of Sudan", who killed General Gordon at Khartoum, claimed to be the Mahdi.
Sunnis and Shia have different views of the Mahdi. Sunnis have a number of diverging views and not all express a belief in a Madhi, others tie the Madhi to the second coming of Jesus, while still others view the Madhi as separate from Jesus.
The Shia believe that the Madhi is the 12th of "Hidden" Iman, who as a child disappeared in the 9th Century during an Moslem civil war.
In any event, the Iranian president has made some statements that indicate he believes the Madhi is about to return.
Posted by: Room 237 at October 20, 2008 01:51 PM (hMQke)
Posted by: Bart at October 20, 2008 01:54 PM (2PlTJ)
And I love how it's some big secret how they are going to handle it: It won't be popular, but you are going to have to trust us. That sounds promising. And isn't during the campaign supposed to be he time when candidates are supposed to tell us how they would handle hypothetical (and likely) international situations, so that we can be informed voters. What is this? Election 'Let's make a Deal?' I'll take what's behind curtain #1.
Let me guess it's something like this. Let's say for example, the crisis is Russia invades Georgia -- Obama will respond like this: "Um, uh, let's disucss this with uh Russia...I mean uh we will defend Georgia, um I mean uh we won't?... I mean we will...we won't..we will...we won't...?" Oh, right, we should defnitely trust that. Am I in the Twilight Zone, because this guy is ahead in the polls, right?
Posted by: smc at October 20, 2008 01:55 PM (bwa0q)
Posted by: m at October 20, 2008 02:05 PM (k2abx)
I'm a Democrat for McCain/Palin!
Posted by: nomobama at October 20, 2008 02:25 PM (QpV8r)
But if Palin had said this all hell would break loose.
I wonder how Colonic Powell is feeling now that the day after his supposed imprimatur of the Obamanation, the running mate is telling everyone that he's not one who could handle a crisis intelligently and everyone will hate him for it?
Posted by: eaglewingz08 at October 20, 2008 02:25 PM (W88Qb)
That Vast Left Wing Conspiracy - first the dentists, then the dog walkers and the guy who cleans the pool.
They're all around us! Aaaaaaaagh!
Posted by: Copper Top at October 20, 2008 04:12 PM (pzpCQ)
Posted by: zhombre at October 20, 2008 04:23 PM (WfSvm)
Posted by: mytralman at October 20, 2008 04:44 PM (0mKiN)
Maybe, but Zero had better bone up on "The Samson Option":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
Israel already has enough nukes in its arsenal to ensure Islam will be exterminated in the Middle East. Hell, with nothing to lose, Israel might also lob some nukes at Europe and Russia as a final payback for 1000 years of oppression and murder.
Posted by: MarkJ at October 20, 2008 05:41 PM (ZFVlP)
Posted by: Kurt Preston at October 20, 2008 08:05 PM (X6F9v)
I have this vision, An IED set off in times Square and Obama sitting on
the floor in the oval office drooling and mumbling Wha-tiz Wha-tiz and
then they take him away to the Home!! Never to be seen again…
Posted by: Gator at October 20, 2008 08:36 PM (uaTZE)
Iran. Simple they have Nukes and they are ripe for a revolt into the wrong hands…
Posted by: Gator at October 20, 2008 08:40 PM (uaTZE)
Posted by: Conservative CBU at October 20, 2008 09:48 PM (M+Vfm)
I can see it now ..
Biden predicted 2nd 9/11 .. was definitely an inside job
I haven’t yet figured out if Biden is courting or shunning the “Troofer” vote.
Posted by: Neo at October 21, 2008 09:57 AM (Yozw9)
The FBI can forget looking for muslim terrorists in America under Obama. Obama will stand with the muslims, period. He has spent a thousand Sundays in praise of Jew-hate, America-hate, God-hate. Obama will have every available government agency from the FBI to the IRS doing criminal investigations on political enemies. Michelle Obama will make Hillary's White House stack of FBI files on enemies look like a comic book collection.
Dark days ahead, and it's probably racist these days to even use the phrase. Jesus, please!
Posted by: twolaneflash at October 21, 2008 10:36 AM (05dZx)
Posted by: megapotamus at October 21, 2008 02:53 PM (LF+qW)
Did anyone feel the need to "test" Eisenhower after he was elected? Or Reagan?
Nope; they were known quantities, and America's enemies didn't wanna mess with them.
Obama is no Ike, nor Gipper. Heck, he's not even JFK (JFK's tax cut was a true tax cut, and he was a defense hawk).
Posted by: C-C-G at October 21, 2008 05:23 PM (sII0T)
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Posted by: megapotamus at October 22, 2008 02:47 PM (LF+qW)
JFK met with Nikita Khrushchev very soon after taking office, and without any sort of preconditions. Khrushchev took that to be a sign of weakness, a view strengthened by the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion, and many historians today believe that led directly to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
One can only wonder what BHO's desire to meet with Ahmadinnerjacket, again, without preconditions, will lead to. It's pretty much certain that the Iranians will see it as a sign of weakness.
Biden has this one at least partially right... Obama will face an international test. But I doubt that he'll do the right thing, especially with Biden advising him, since Biden's been wrong on just about every foreign affairs issue for years.
It doesn't show strength to meet with your enemies without preconditions... it shows that you don't think you're strong enough to demand preconditions. And everyone except BHO seems to understand that.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 22, 2008 07:59 PM (sII0T)
More Totalitarian Than You
For the longest time, "Politics" and "Media" were two distinct categories that I had to organize posts on this blog. I can't precisely recall when it occurred, but at some point during this Presidential campaign the dividing line that existed between the two categories became so blurred as to become meaningless, as media bias has become overtly political in nature.
Nowhere has this been more apparent than in the political hatchet job being carried out against Joe Wurzelbacher in the past week. Wurzelbacher was playing football with his son in his front yard when Barack Obama made an unscheduled stop in Toledo, Ohio to stump door-to-door for votes. Obama came up to Joe, and Joe told Obama that his tax plan was going to charge him more.Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 10:51 AM | Comments (61) | Add Comment | Trackbacks (Suck)
Posted by: Michael at October 20, 2008 11:21 AM (I6CjA)
That doesn't mean beating up Olbermann. But trumpeting news of his tax problems, looking for dissatisfied ex-girlfriends, staff at ESPN he treated poorly - why not? The guy who announced "Americans are tired of seeing us shouting at each other" is down 6 to the guy whose fundraiser was shouting at the time. He won't stoop to attacking his opponent's character, relationships, or policies, so he'll get the same moral victory you're after. That and eight dollars will get you a gallon of gasoline under the Obama regime. I'd rather avoid that fate.
"We're no better than they are" - and Roosevelt was no better than Tojo.
Posted by: bgates at October 20, 2008 12:57 PM (CFjXn)
Someone punches you in the face; but, if you punch back: "you're no better than they are".
This kind of moral equivalence is usually reserved for leftists who make no distinction between agressor and defender. It's crap, and has always been crap!
Posted by: Eyas at October 20, 2008 01:25 PM (LQjMH)
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Posted by: David M at October 20, 2008 01:56 PM (gIAM9)
Growing up there were two kids who picked on me in school. It started out as just verbal harrassment, but over time it developed into full blown beatings.
Long story short I made a point to find each of them when they were by themselves and returned the favor with interest (I kicked them in the head a few times after I had them on the floor)after that we never had a problem with each other again.
I'm sorry if that isn't nice but it is what we need to do.
Posted by: southdakotaboy at October 20, 2008 01:57 PM (TC4J/)
I am your neighbor that lives across the street
I am a hockey mom, or the coach of your son's Little League team
I serve our country in uniform, leaving my family behind to protect our freedoms
I am a police officer, fireman or paramedic, putting my life on the line to protect you
I work at the local hospital, caring for your family in times of need
I am the builder, plumber, shopkeeper or the owner of the small store down the street
I am the cowboy and farmer, providing food for not just your table but for those around the world
I am the teacher who gives long hours to educating your children
I am the veteran that answered my nation's call to duty
I am the stranger that comes to your aid when disaster strikes, and you need a hand
I work hard to provide for my family, pay my taxes and do my duty as a citizen and vote
I am proud of what my country stands for, and all of the good it does throughout the world
I want to be successful, to enjoy the freedoms granted to me and to give to others in need on my own accord, not have it taken from me
I am Joe the Plumber
Posted by: fmfnavydoc at October 20, 2008 02:13 PM (VYEVW)
Posted by: DBA at October 20, 2008 02:31 PM (oCLHa)
The middle class used to be able to support a family on one income but no longer can. What's wrong with policy that moves us back in this direction? You think our children should be raised in daycare? You all have used the term "wealth redistribution" many times lately, but as a matter of fact any non-flat tax policy is wealth redistribution. The rich have seen falling tax rates over the last decades. Cap gains used to be normal income, not they are 20% and that goes disproportionately to the wealthy. You could just as easily complain about policy-driven wealth redistribution towards the rich over the last 30 years. Perhaps the ugliest facet of this is that it hurts US competitiveness by keeping wealth in the hands of idiots and disallowing the able from the lower classes to rise to the limit of their abilities.
Interestingly, both McCain and Bush were born to wealthy and influential families, whereas Clinton and Obama pulled themselves up from modest circumstances. Obama was the standout in his Harvard Law class. Further, Bush's capital injection into the big banks is the most socialist event in recent US history, and a big chunk of that seems to be earmarked for executive bonuses. You could make a strong argument that the GOP is more socialist these days than are the Democrats.
Posted by: Luther Tines at October 20, 2008 02:50 PM (CPYV1)
Someone slit the tires of 30 cars outside an Obama rally:
http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=307949
and someone else hanged Obama in effigy:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obama+effigy&search_type=&aq=f
and there are lots of clips of boorish behavior outside of Palin rallies with things such as a Curious George stuffed animal with an Obama sticker on it.
Anecdotes are not a reasonable basis for sweeping generalizations. To do so shows ignorance or dishonesty.
Posted by: Luther Tines at October 20, 2008 04:03 PM (CPYV1)
Posted by: megapotamus at October 20, 2008 04:42 PM (jrni+)
I can't tell you how refreshing to listen to someone who speaks his mind, unadorned. For every one of you I see 100 tedious "I'm not a racist, but..." remarks.
I ought not to advise my political adversaries, but the Youtube clip involves a hanging in effigy, not burning. I think you will find you get much more bang for your buck this way. Your name may end up in a Secret Service database, but surely that is a small price for glory.
Posted by: Luther Tines at October 20, 2008 05:17 PM (CPYV1)
I'll throw out some:
Investigation the kids: No. Off limits. Whether the son or daughter is under 18 or not.
Investigating the wife? Well, that depends on specifics.
Barney Franks significant other was running a male brothel out of an apartment they shared in DC back in the late 1980s. That was definetly something that a conservative watchdog group would have been legitimate in jumping on.
If a big media person or media executive has the same thing going on with their lover/spouse, it should now be fair game for a media watchdog group designed to expose them the way they expose other people.
Next - a partner of a media figure is a raging alcoholic. Out of bounds.
If the media figure is a raging alcoholic -- I'll have to get back to you on that one as I think it over some more.
If the media figure or spouse is found to do frequent business with a drug dealer and bring illegal drugs into the house? Fair game.
If the media figure's household is hiring illegal immigrant maids, gardeners or other household staff? Fair game.
If the media figure is cheating on their taxes? Probably fair game, but I'll get back to you after more thought.
If the media figure comes out of a bar or restaurant drunk and abusive - or just abusive - to people inside or outside? Fair game.
If a news orgs staff is overwhelmingly registered Democrat --- overwhelmingly donates to the Dem party ---- has membership overwhelmingly supporting Dem or liberal groups with time and money ---- fair game. Fair for watchdog groups to hound the leaders of the org about the ideological lack of diversity (same as it would be if they only hired white males).
These are the kinds of hypotheticals we should be kicking around to clearly define this issue - rather than just trying to sum it all up instantly.
Posted by: usinkorea at October 20, 2008 05:26 PM (T//9j)
Again, the same old broken record.
Since 1978, the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer.
It just doesn't wash. The standard of living in the society has risen since the 1970s. You guys keep trying to tell us that our lives are getting more and more and more miserable, and it just does not match reality. Some of us can remember back to the 1970s and even longer (though not me).
Posted by: usinkorea at October 20, 2008 05:33 PM (T//9j)
I would not care whose policies let to the event, but Congress, led by the Bush administration, has just took one of the biggest socialization steps in our nations history. The government has just stepped into the banking sector and the housing sector in a major way, and I'm not thrilled about it.
And again, I honestly believe I would be saying that regardless of how that situation came about.
But, the facts are, the banks and housing sector fell apart, because of the kind of liberalism that we will see a President Obama give a massive boost if elected:
The Dems in Congress used the power of the government to tilt the housing market and credit market to favor people whose incomes could not afford the loans to buy the houses they wanted.
It is a type of socialist thinking --- everyone should be able to buy a house --- that led to one of the greatest socialization efforts by our government - the Bush administration bailout of the financial sector.
The problem with the Obama presidency, if it comes, is that it will not take the worst financial crisis since The Great Depression for further socialization to take place. It will become routine policy initiated by the White House.
Posted by: usinkorea at October 20, 2008 05:40 PM (T//9j)
First the middle class household used to have one wage earner on average, now they can't afford that. Why? Is this desirable?
Second, over the last 30 years the rich have gotten cap gains down to 20% and slashed inheritance taxes. As a result of these changes, Warren Buffet's tax rat is lower than his secretary's. Why is this fair?
Please answer those specific questions instead of introducing some related generalities. In particular please don't tell me your life story again. As I mentioned above, anecdotes aren't generally very useful. If you don't address these simple questions directly I will be forced to conclude that you are a blowhard or worse.
Posted by: Luther Tines at October 20, 2008 05:48 PM (CPYV1)
That's the standard leftist line, but in America, it is also a demonstrable and momentous lie. As the rich get richer, they do what? Buy stuff.
Companies hire more poor people to make more stuff, and the company owners sell the stuff, make more money, which they use to but more stuff and hire more people.
This "vicious cycle" is what assures that America's poor have a standard of living equivalent of the middle class to rich of most of the rest of the world. The overwhelming majority of America's poor live in air-conditioned/heated homes and apartments where they watch television or listen to their radios or play Playstations. The poor in other countries? They die of exposure and malnutrition as a matter of course.
In America, the wealthy and resourceful continually drag the bell curve to the right, making everyone richer, and there literally is no upper limit to how high we as a society can go.
Obama, however, is an idiot, like most socialists, and wants to take from the upper end of the curve, dragging the bell curve--and society in general--in the opposite direction, making us all poorer with his wealth redistribution.
The stupid and lazy will never keep their money, and the intelligent and hard-working will always acquire more. That is a simple fact.
If the rich are allowed to keep innovating, we all benefit, even the poor, as the curve pulls us all higher. If the socialists have their way, innovators are punished for succeeding, growth stagnates or stops or ever reverses, and you want to know who gets hurt the most, and the hardest?
The poor.
If Democrats really cared about the poor, they'd do everything they can to help grow the businesses that help everyone, including the poor.
But it isn't about the disposable poor. It's about the naked pursuit of political power, something that the son of a communist mentored by a succession of socialists and marxists knows well.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 20, 2008 05:51 PM (HcgFD)
Perhaps we don't adopt all of their tactics but just as we adopted some of the Germans tactics to defeat them we can also do the same with the left.
Do we delve into reporters personal lives to destroy them...absolutely. No other single class of people in this country deserves it more. What a vile and disgusting bunch of creatures they are.
Do we delve into the personal lives of the left...my gosh why not? Why is Wright off limits?
One can adopt a lot of the enemies tactics to win the strategic battle without becoming the enemy.
PATTON on using the enemies tactics.
Rommel, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!
Posted by: Pierre Legrand at October 20, 2008 07:18 PM (DLJPO)
"The stupid and lazy will never keep their money, and the intelligent and hard-working will always acquire more. That is a simple fact."
That is becoming less and less true in this country, because of the tax policy your party espouses. Your party is dead set against the so-called "death tax", ensuring that every Mars, Walton, and Hilton is fabulously wealthy no matter how competent he or she is. Anyone who lives off investments has an advantage over any wage earner in the form of lesser taxes, thanks to cuts on capital gains. You call ending this state of fairs "wealth redistribution", whereas it's just as accurate to call the GOP tax policy of the last three decades wealth redistribution.
Posted by: Luther Tines at October 20, 2008 08:00 PM (CPYV1)
Ooh! I know! Maybe we could set up a web site of some kind, with a list of reporters who don't behave, and then we could draw lines through their names, as they're "taken down" - or, we could put up their pictures, then draw big red X's through them, after the deed is done. That'll keep the rest in line.
I think there's precedent for this, so we'd be in good company.
Nobody will dare call us "fascist".
Posted by: Nuremburg Files, Redux at October 20, 2008 08:59 PM (IRC/t)
Oh noes! He'll return us to the tax levels of the horrible mid-90's!! Remember the bread lines and the soup kitchens? All those poor people in the streets? What an evil man he must be.
Posted by: Terms at October 20, 2008 09:02 PM (IRC/t)
Posted by: Kathryn at October 21, 2008 09:01 AM (aNYPh)
Posted by: Eric at October 21, 2008 01:31 PM (Eg+DG)
I lived it. I'm not going to go out looking for statistics for what I learned living.
In my opinion, you have two people working in a household, because they want to buy the luxuries that are the American way right now.
That is part of the standard of living having gone up. There were more jobs and more opportunities for women to get work like a man. And families wanted more comfort and more gadgets and better TVs and better cars ---- families were consumers - so they worked to get money to buy things they wanted.
Now, there are also a lot of single family households out there. And they manage to survive in your "poor and poorer and poorer America." Many of these single parent households do better than just get by as well.
And then there are the many households, not middle class, who are two or single parent supported - but also supported by the federal government. They are not middle class, but they are not starving to death in some nation-wide dustbowl - as America has gotten "poor and poorer and poorer" "the last 30 years" as the rich have squeezed the life-blood out of the people...
"Second, over the last 30 years the rich have gotten cap gains down to 20% and slashed inheritance taxes. As a result of these changes, Warren Buffet's tax rat is lower than his secretary's. Why is this fair?"
I don't care if its fair or not. Honestly.
I just hope Warren Buffet keeps being smart on economics and advising people to invest in corporations that are going to keep growing and supplying jobs for the masses.
And if Warren Buffet wants to give away all his money to charity (which he does), good for him.
You can conclude anything you want.
I already stated I believe you are a typical liberal type you find especially among the younger variety who fell in love with statistics that have proven in real life to be meaningless.
My life story is the same as many, many in the communities I've lived in. You can quote until you turn blue statistics on how much the Buffets and Gates have gotten so much richer and outpaced the middle class as our economy has grown and cry that that means America is overall getting more and more poor ---- I don't care.
It isn't the life I've seen in the three different states I've lived in.
And it isn't what most people have seen in their daily lives year to year for the last 30 years.
You can continue to swat down visible reality with your Microsoft-expansion stats for yourself if you like. I'll stick with the reality.
Posted by: usinkorea at October 21, 2008 03:01 PM (kFF1i)
If the rich are getting richer as the economy grows and the standard of living for the whole society grows, then so be it.
The Bill Gates and Warren Buffets (and wildly successful smaller business people) are charging out ahead of the pack faster than before --- as the economy grows --- then we should cheer them rather than scoff at their wealth and tax it away from them.
The rich are getting richer.
That does not mean the poor are getting poorer.
Bill Gates' stock options are not taking money out of my working class pockets.
But, if taxing business in order to redistribute wealth cripples the economy, it will take money out of my pocket.
And the government can try to cover this by putting money directly into my pocket in the form of a check or free health care card....
...but in every society where socialism has been tried, it has led to worse chronic poverty and economic stagnation.
The more it has been tried, the worse the standard of living has been.
The rich getting richer and poor getting poorer is a false correlation...
Posted by: usinkorea at October 21, 2008 04:35 PM (kFF1i)
Your life story approaches zero significance in a country of 300 million. We already discussed that. Similarly of what value are your opinions if you are unwilling or unable to find evidence to support them?
I'll provide some more facts, however tedious these are to you. The middle class has a zero savings rate and at or near record credit card debt and personal bankruptcy. You presumably don't believe this because it has not been a part of your life story, but if you do decide to pick up a newspaper you could verify this for yourself.
LT: "Second, over the last 30 years the rich have gotten cap gains down to 20% and slashed inheritance taxes. As a result of these changes, Warren Buffet's tax rat is lower than his secretary's. Why is this fair?"
usainkorea: "I don't care if its fair or not. Honestly." But your premise is that Obama's tax plan to raise income on the top 5% is socialist. In other words, any plan that does not advantage the rich is socialist. Please explain why the rich ought to have lower tax rates. I'm all ears.
If you took the time to learn about statistics you will find that there's something called a sampling error. Basically, because of your particular situation and biases, you are guaranteed not to encounter a random subset of Americans. That is one reason why your fixation on your life story is a shortcoming.
"You can quote until you turn blue statistics on how much the Buffets and Gates have gotten so much richer and outpaced the middle class as our economy has grown and cry that that means America is overall getting more and more poor"
Once again I have no problem with Buffet and Gates, what I have a problem with is the capital retained by idiots through a tax code that guarantees misallocation of capital. To be fair and competitive we need a fair tax code which allows capital to flow into the hands of young Gateses and Buffets, rather than having it passed from one meritless Walton or Mars to the next.
"My life story..." "the life I've seen in the three different states I've lived in..." What is your obsession with your life story? More important, why do you expect anyone to care? I've never seen anything like it.
"You can continue to swat down visible reality with your Microsoft-expansion stats for yourself if you like. I'll stick with the reality."
Your reality seems confined to your "life story". You will find that if you consider outside sources of information you can achieve a broader understanding. You have the same allergy to facts and knowledge as a certain president who believed he could manufacture his own reality:
"The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' ... 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'"
--As recorded by Ron Suskind
Posted by: Luther Tines at October 21, 2008 05:03 PM (0fEZI)
Why can't you understand this?
I am repeating what I've seen in part because it is the same many, many readers will have seen around them and in the nation during their life times.
But, you counter this with book quoted statistics - statistics that don't match up to our shared experience - and by insisting that my one life story is so bleeping isolated it means nothing....
How about this: You keep putting out your statistics and I'll keep putting out my thoughts using what I have seen in this nation and we'll let the readers decide?
(so you can drop the condescending bullshit...)
"The middle class has a zero savings rate and at or near record credit card debt and personal bankruptcy."
And this proves the poor are getting more poor - because the rich are getting richer?
It proves people are spending beyond their means. Period.
Then you offer more of your elitist condescending snipes...
"But your premise is that Obama's tax plan to raise income on the top 5% is socialist. In other words, any plan that does not advantage the rich is socialist."
Wrong. Strawman.
I'm saying Obama talks like a socialist. His life-time associations are with people who are openly socialist. I am saying talk about wealth-distribution through taxation on the one hand and giving the money to others on the other is the same as the socialist playbook.
Then you go back to your typical condescending BS.
Your whole "a sampling error" paragraph is a hoot.
I'm sure most readers will be able to see the snot coming out your nose there....
We do get somewhere with "Once again I have no problem with Buffet and Gates, what I have a problem with is the capital retained by idiots through a tax code that guarantees misallocation of capital."
So, yes, you do have a problem with Buffet and Gates.
You believe their earnings are a "misallocation of capital" and you want a system that does not allow them to "retain" that capital.
You want a system that removes the capital from them and gives it to others who have earned it by simply living in the country and not having the same amount of wealth as others, because to you, spreading that wealth around will cause more Gates and Buffets to sprout up, at which point you can take their money and give it to others and a whole fresh crop of Gates and Buffets will grow....
...and we have historical evidence to suggest that the reality out in the real world which you don't want to look at proves ---- it doesn't work that way!!!
The reason I'm citing life experience is that it came from living in the real world, not swallowing the load of bullshit people like you have tried to sell me.
You haven't seen the likes of it? Maybe you should.
You have obviously had your nose buried in too many New York Times columns and in typical, liberal intellectual books to realize there are a whole bunch of people out there living in the real world.
For decades, the liberals controlling education and getting their mostly unread books churned out by the publishing houses --- have been telling us for decades the US economic system was doomed - that the rich were getting richer and the poor were getting poorer - that the inherent contradictions in the fascist capitalist system were soon to bring it crashing down.
And it never happened.
But, this same group constantly preached to us that the socialist utopias were the way to go. Like the Soviet Union. And each time those great socialist utopias turned out not just more despotic than America society - but also much more full of poverty and economic misery, the intellectuals have simply chosen to ignore it.
They liked the version of reality they'd filled their pages with so much, they decided to ignore their previous false predictions, bury them as if they never existed, but maintain the same line about how wealth redistribution was the way to go.
But to you...examples and concrete history are like this: "You have the same allergy to facts and knowledge"
History isn't factual - what you read in a book is, right?
Concrete history doesn't match up to the statistics you want to believe in, so you run around insulting people, belittling their intelligence, calling them ignorant, and saying they need to read.
I'm perfectly fine with the amount of schooling I've had and the amount of reading I do and have done in my lifetime.
And I believe readers will sift through both our points and see what I see --- you don't have much of a leg to stand on. You try to cloud issues with insults and smoke screens.
You can't hide from history, however.
Objective history proves socialism cripples economies and creates worse standards of living for societies as a whole.
But, if you blinded yourself by only looking at the mountain of books written by intellectual types, the same types like you who ridicule and insult (and avoid like the plague) the very same common man they say they want to give a leg up, like perhaps a Joe the Plumber, you would have to conclude the Soviet Union should currently be the richest nation on earth with a sparkling economy and no poverty.
Over these last 30 years, one by one, the nations who tried to follow the lead of those books, the ones you like to take your defining life experience from, have collapsed into the dust heaps of history, but you and some of those intellectuals still refuse to learn from them....
Posted by: usinkorea at October 21, 2008 07:14 PM (jr6wY)
Me: "Your reality seems confined to your
'life story'"
You: "Why can't you understand this?"
Me: I'll give you an admittedly simplistic comparison. Suppose I have always lived in Kansas. I might say to you that there are more wheat farms than there are strip malls. You might point out to me that this simply is not the case. I reply that I don't care about what your statistics or books say, I've seen it myself.
You're using the same argument, except you've lived in not one but three states. Go to any economist of your choosing and give them the "what I've seen" spiel. Academics and professionals who work in the hard sciences all have a higher standard of evidence from what you present.
You: "... Insisting that my one life story is so bleeping isolated it means nothing."
Me: If you are talking about tax policy your situation is one 300 millionth of the picture, as is mine. I said nothing about how isolated an example you are.
Me: "The middle class has a zero savings rate and at or near record credit card debt and personal bankruptcy."
You: "And this proves the poor are getting more poor - because the rich are getting richer? It proves people are spending beyond their means. Period."
Me: I said middle class, not poor, and that's an important distinction. You believe that current tax policy is more desirable than what Obama proposes, yet the rich are thriving and the middle class struggling. The rich have lower tax rates, yet you assert nevertheless that middle class profligacy is at fault. Presumably this is what you have seen during the course of your life so it must be true, unlike what egghead economists would have us believe.
You: "I'm saying Obama talks like a socialist."
Me: That's weaker even than your "what I've personally seen" argument.
You: "I am saying talk about wealth-distribution through taxation on the one hand and giving the money to others on the other is the same as the socialist playbook."
Tax rates are lower on the wealthy, this is clear-cut wealth redistribution. Obama wants to raise taxes specifically on the wealthy, so really it makes more sense to say he's halting wealth redistribution that is underway.
You: "Then you go back to your typical condescending BS... I'm sure most readers will be able to see the snot coming out your nose there...."
Me: Yet you call me condescending.
You: "We do get somewhere with 'Once again I have no problem with Buffet and Gates, what I have a problem with is the capital retained by idiots through a tax code that guarantees misallocation of capital.' So, yes, you do have a problem with Buffet and Gates."
Me: Not at all, you misunderstand me. My problem with the tax code is twofold. First, it allows the progeny of the wealthy to be always rich no matter what their merit. Second, I believe the rich should pay at least as high a tax rate as the middle class.
I'm ignoring the part where you rant about liberals.
You: "History isn't factual - what you read in a book is, right?"
Me: How many times are you going to tell me that what you personally have observed is true whereas everything else is suspect? I don't know any field of endeavor where this would impress. Just the opposite actually.
You: "I'm perfectly fine with the amount of schooling I've had and the amount of reading I do and have done in my lifetime."
Me: You shouldn't be.
Posted by: Luther Tines at October 21, 2008 10:59 PM (8xEFc)
You have very telling refused altogether to address the larger historical facts I've pointed to a number of times --- the fact that in nation after nation, the more socialism has been practiced, the more economic misery it has created.
Here, you finally pause a nanosecond to speak on that by labeling it a rant against liberals. Yes, it was a rant, but your refusal to face the facts of history is what liberals like you have done for decades.
You can insult me all you want. I don't care.
I feel just fine and confident leaving future readers to judge based on what has been written and what they will have witnessed in their own lives (both in books and out in the real world).
But, this discussion has become too unless to continue. Readers can get everything from what has been written already (and what has been left unsaid).
My last input, since I've been encouraged to read at least something, I'd recommend one of the books I'm currently reading --- it is one I recommended over at Ace's blog on a different topic a couple of days ago:
Breaking Ranks - by Norman Podhoretz.
The first section, a letter to his son written in 1979, is the best short review of radicalism from the 1930s to 1950s you could hope to find.
The rest of the book is the personal memoir of a man who was part of the inner circles of the intellectual community based in New York from the 1950s thru the writing in 1979. He goes into a lot of details about the shifting thoughts and people involved primarily in the intellectual community composed of liberals and radicals and others on the left.
I think the book is a good read for anyone wanting a good refresher on the ideological and pseudo-ideological history in the intellectual community of the last 60+ years in American society.
This is the backdrop in which Obama has emerged.
Given all his clear radical associations and the affinity he shared with many for radical thought in his reading as a teen and in college, this book is well worth reading....
Posted by: usinkorea at October 22, 2008 04:05 AM (sDDYG)
I have offered far more specifics than you. You haven't even tried to rebut these, other than by saying facts which don't happen to support what you've personally encountered are wrong. I can't honestly describe that position without sounding really, really condescending so I'll again refrain.
"You have very telling refused altogether to address the larger historical facts I've pointed to a number of times --- the fact that in nation after nation, the more socialism has been practiced, the more economic misery it has created."
I deny that Obama and most of his supporters are socialists in the first place. I've asserted a couple of times at least that the rich pay lower tax rates, so raising their tax rates is nowhere near socialist. You haven't denied this.
Your other argument that Obama is a socialist is "he talks like a socialist." I can play that game. McCain talks like a one-legged artichoke picker. How about them apples? You might try and deny this with facts, but I've lived in three states and I've seen many things along the way. Is it not aggravating and unfair to be put in the position I just put you in?
There's nothing to sink my teeth into in the rest of your post. If you like I can tell you about a book by a leading liberal about McCain.
Posted by: Luther Tines at October 22, 2008 03:12 PM (5qgvw)
So just exposing that lack of ethics isn't going to do a thing to make them change their modus operandi.
The only thing that might work is to indeed drag them through the dirt in the same way they drag their victims through the dirt.
It's exactly the same scenario as fighting other terrorism.
If we (as we have done for so long) act only in accordance with what's 'nice', have stringent rules of engagement that make it impossible to act decisively if at all if there's the slightest chance of civilian casualties, treat terrorists like they were just conscripted soldiers who are no different than our boys and probably don't want to be there, we loose.
The ONLY way to fight this kind of people is in kind.
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, is the only kind of reaction they understand, fear, and respect (because they see fear as being equivalent to respect).
Of course we have to make sure that we don't turn such harsh operations into our general way of operating, use them exclusively against those who employ them against us and set that as our general policy.
Go no further than the other guy, but don't back down an inch from the line he himself draws or he'll just draw another line to force us back even further until we drop over the edge into the chasm of complete defeat.
Posted by: JTW at October 25, 2008 01:26 AM (9mc9L)
ACORN, Ayers, and Obama
The revealing video Barack Obama doesn't want you to see.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 08:47 AM | Comments (24) | Add Comment | Trackbacks (Suck)
Neither Relaxed Nor Worried
In the last few days we've seen the polls, heard Pelosi's promise, and Powell's endorsement.
We've watched the American media drop the illusion of impartiality to nakedly campaign for Barack Obama, and we've seen them attempt to destroy a blue collar guy for merely asking a question. We've watched Hollywood's pop culture erupt in fevered celebration of Obama's radical far Left orthodoxy (though most aren't bright enough to understand it), even as they lash out with unbridled anger against Sarah Palin's congenial conservatism. We've watched the creepy enthusiasm of indoctrinated youth surround and uplift him with near religious support. And yet—somehow—we're not worried. America is a wonderful country and a tolerant country, but their are certain minimum standards that even in the worst of times that we aren't willing to accept. We will never elect a candidate who was friends with a racist like David Duke, or who belonged to a White Power cult. Likewise, we aren't going to elect President a man who spent more than 20 years in a racist cult that believes God must either be "black" or killed as Barack Obama has attended under the twisted tutelage of Jeremiah "Goddamn America!" Wright. We will never elect a candidate who was friends with a Timothy McVeigh, a Mohamed Atta, or Ted Kaczynski. Likewise, we will never elect a candidate who started his political life campaigning in the home of two known terrorists (Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers) made infamous by their murderous war against our nation. Nor will we accept that he did indeed "pal around" with these terrorists and other communist/socialist radicals for at least 21 years, funneling them grant money and sharing office space with them, and having them babysit his children as they seek to undermine our way of life and indoctrinate our kids. Barack Obama is the perfect Left Wing radical candidate, and they are certainly enthusiastic about ushering in his brand of socialism. I rather doubt, however, that the rest of our country is willing to give up on America just yet. John McCain will not be a great President, but he will be our next President.We're tolerant of a lot of things, but terrorist-befriending, cult-attending racism, and naked socialism isn't on the list.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 08:41 AM | Comments (51) | Add Comment | Trackbacks (Suck)
You hope.
So do I, for that matter, but I don't actually believe it. In twenty-plus years of watching politics, I've rarely seen reason to believe the best of the electorate. OTOH, I've often seen reason to believe the worst. Remember, Congress already contains examples of racists, terrorist sympathizers, and socialists ... not to mention actual traitors as defined by the Constitution. Giving aid and comfort to the enemy, observed by not just two witnesses but thousands.
Posted by: wolfwalker at October 20, 2008 09:26 AM (zpPCd)
Posted by: the pistolero at October 20, 2008 09:40 AM (eIuq0)
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Posted by: GlassHalfEmpty at October 20, 2008 10:01 AM (T17vG)
Posted by: Eric at October 20, 2008 10:21 AM (Eg+DG)
Posted by: Texan at October 20, 2008 10:57 AM (ssh9/)
The economy will get worse (and be blamed on Bush), Obama will wimp out on Afghanistan (which will be blamed on Bush), and Iran will blow Israel off the map (which somehow, will be Bush's fault) and all I can hope for is a Republican Congress in two years.
That said, I would never be more happy to be wrong than on this subject.
Posted by: Silvera at October 20, 2008 11:02 AM (pNRPX)
Posted by: Matisse Picard at October 20, 2008 12:49 PM (LEnH9)
Bernadine Dohrn placed the bomb that killed San Francisco Police Officer Brian V. MacDonnell. The bomb went off Feb 16, 1970; MacDonnell died suffering from his injuries two days later. Another officer was permanently injured in the blast. Bill Ayers himself was the source of the information, providing the information unknowingly to FBI informant Larry Grathwohl.
Grathwohl later saved an unknown number of police lives in Detroit when he foiled two bombs comprised of 44 sticks of dynamite that Ayers wanted detonated when the station was busiest.
Ayers and Dohrn can only be directly be named in one murder, but were behind attempts to kill hundreds more, and their incompetence is not a valid defense.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 20, 2008 01:07 PM (HcgFD)
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Posted by: Karen at October 20, 2008 02:13 PM (Rw/yc)
You can get 6 to 1 odds on McCain at intrade.
My 2 cents. You've lost your mind.
Posted by: jharp at October 20, 2008 02:20 PM (JqLj0)
I wouldn't be.
Posted by: torabora at October 20, 2008 02:36 PM (a4GlB)
Posted by: megapotamus at October 20, 2008 03:41 PM (LF+qW)
Using faulty poll weighting generated from fraudulent registrations then topping it off with trick poll framing and questioning of Republicans and Undecided "likely" voters.
Journalistic Malpractice when collusion and collaberration with one party's campaign is so blatantly obvious should be a felony.
Do NOT be confused by this fraud. Obama should be up by 20 points right now with all of this deception and manipulation.
Allegedly he's currently up by 5-7 points and I believe that to be well engineered "puffing"!
Posted by: Scott D at October 20, 2008 04:15 PM (Wwb5S)
Posted by: AmericanElephant at October 20, 2008 04:58 PM (AW7cr)
Those guys Ayers and Dorhn targeted were my brothers in arms, and I take it very personally. So screw you and your mushy "well, they didn't actually..." crap. Conspiracy to commit multiple murders. Not to mention the actual, you know, murders they did commit. It's ossible tha Ayers planted the SF bomb. For all his pride in his bombs, he's been somewhat reticent regarding the ones with a death toll. At best, he "only" did planning and logistics.
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at October 20, 2008 05:07 PM (Vcyz0)
And a Washington Post poll shows Kerry with a significant lead in important states that could decide the outcome of the election. The poll found Kerry held a 53 per cent to 43 per cent lead among likely voters in 13 such states.
We remember how well President Kerry handled the Wall Street meltdown of 2008, right?
Posted by: C-C-G at October 20, 2008 06:49 PM (kbd0j)
In any event, my guess is that this is our last free election. If you think we have voting fraud now, just wait four years.
We are destined to be ruled by the leftists who run the media and the universities.
I could say more, but why bother?
Posted by: Don, the Rebel without a Blog at October 20, 2008 10:38 PM (DunzV)
I think McCain will win, but I worry greatly about voter fraud, particularly in Ohio.
The socialists/marxists/anarchists will keep on pushing and cheating until they win. If not this time, the perhaps after President McCain gives them 10 million new illegals to vote for them.
Once in power, they will take away fair elections requiring us ultimately to use arms to get them back.
I wish it weren't that way because it is my kids who will do the fighting.
What would give me hope is if McCain did one term, or a partial term, and then Palin came in and fought back hard.
Posted by: Ken Nelson at October 22, 2008 11:14 AM (haFqi)
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