Good News! Biden Promises an International Incident to Test Obama if He's Elected, and Also Promises Obama Will Screw It Up
Joe Biden's greatest gift/curse is an apparent inability to censor himself, and he admitted yesterday that Obama's utter inexperience and lack of leadership will cause anti-American regimes to target us as a result:
How will Obama respond to this crisis? Biden is convinced that Obama is going to screw it up, and he's asking supporters to bear with him anyway before getting immediate buyer's remorse.
"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."
Good grief. Has any Vice President in U.S. electoral history ever made it more clear that his running mate is completely unfit for the office that he seeks? And if Biden dosn't have faith in Obama, why should the rest of us? Update: Perfunction has partial audio.
"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at 11:39 AM
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Did we get that one on tape?
Posted by: edh at October 20, 2008 12:13 PM (OjT5k)
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Christmas in October. The gift that just keeps on giving and no batteries are required. Yippeee!
Posted by: Jack is Back! at October 20, 2008 12:17 PM (J3zIQ)
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I do remember the Cuban missile crisis. Particularly since I was an Army dependent in Italy at the time. For an adolescent it was very scary, since we were preparing to evacuate to Genoa for a slow boat to the USA.
It was touch and go there for awhile, I am told. A false step could have ended us into a nuclear war.
Does anyone in their right mind want Obama at the helm when (according to Biden) this situation comes down? Will Obama have a single clue about "when to hold them and when to fold them"? Will Obama overcompensate (e.g. invade Pakistan)? Will Obama appease (e.g. allow the РФ to break up Ukraine or allow Iran nuclear weapons)?
Obama won't be able to vote present on this one. And Slow Joe Biden will advise him? Ayers? Wright? Farrakhan? Powers? Bernie Sanders (the Socialist in the Senate that was to the right of Obama)?
Being under the rule of the stupid and the insane is a frightening thought....
It was touch and go there for awhile, I am told. A false step could have ended us into a nuclear war.
Does anyone in their right mind want Obama at the helm when (according to Biden) this situation comes down? Will Obama have a single clue about "when to hold them and when to fold them"? Will Obama overcompensate (e.g. invade Pakistan)? Will Obama appease (e.g. allow the РФ to break up Ukraine or allow Iran nuclear weapons)?
Obama won't be able to vote present on this one. And Slow Joe Biden will advise him? Ayers? Wright? Farrakhan? Powers? Bernie Sanders (the Socialist in the Senate that was to the right of Obama)?
Being under the rule of the stupid and the insane is a frightening thought....
Posted by: iconoclast at October 20, 2008 12:25 PM (ex0JG)
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"it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."
News to you Joe, that's never going to be apparent. But don't you worry yourself, the media will cover for you. Being a Democrat, after all, is never having to admit culpability.
News to you Joe, that's never going to be apparent. But don't you worry yourself, the media will cover for you. Being a Democrat, after all, is never having to admit culpability.
Posted by: Hogarth at October 20, 2008 12:29 PM (0tHG6)
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It is too bad the media will not report these stories. That is the 10 point swing they still carry. If Palin made a derogatory remark about McCain that is all the airwaves would carry for a week.
Posted by: Tom at October 20, 2008 12:29 PM (ymQzl)
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OK, so as soon as Al Qaeda gets the word from the new administration, they'll launch the attacks they've been planning. It will not be initially apparent that appeasing them by giving them half of Israel is the right thing to do, but Obama supporters will stand by him because they have faith that he knows all.
Biden is giving hints early so his people will be prepared when the opportunity appears.
These guys are so smart! They think so far ahead! Can there be any doubt that He Who May Not Be Questioned is truly the One?
I'm in Awe.
Biden is giving hints early so his people will be prepared when the opportunity appears.
These guys are so smart! They think so far ahead! Can there be any doubt that He Who May Not Be Questioned is truly the One?
I'm in Awe.
Posted by: guess'd at October 20, 2008 12:34 PM (m+lLi)
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1) typo: "how ill" should be "how will"
2) std operating practice, btw.
at the height of the clinton/lewinsky scandal I went for a checkup. my doctor spent a lot of time repeating Dem talking points. I was shocked and offended. but he was a liberal Democrat and the word had gone out to use their influence in the community.
2) std operating practice, btw.
at the height of the clinton/lewinsky scandal I went for a checkup. my doctor spent a lot of time repeating Dem talking points. I was shocked and offended. but he was a liberal Democrat and the word had gone out to use their influence in the community.
Posted by: Jim,MtnViewCA,USA at October 20, 2008 12:36 PM (Pson9)
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Along with "John McCain is defending a plumber" this should be an ad all on its own, with appropriate commentary.
You know they called Quayle a moron for less
You know they called Quayle a moron for less
Posted by: Hawkins at October 20, 2008 01:14 PM (pKjWO)
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What Biden's probably launching a trial balloon for, is Iran and Israel.
He's predicting an event, like Israel bombing Iran's nuclear facilities during the first 6 months.
Then, when Iran retaliates, the Obama administration will not come to Israel's aid.
That choice, will not be "apparent that we're right".
That's my bet.
He's predicting an event, like Israel bombing Iran's nuclear facilities during the first 6 months.
Then, when Iran retaliates, the Obama administration will not come to Israel's aid.
That choice, will not be "apparent that we're right".
That's my bet.
Posted by: gman at October 20, 2008 01:18 PM (HJ32c)
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Along with "John McCain is defending a plumber" this should be an ad all on its own, with appropriate commentary.
You know they called Quayle a moron for less
Posted by Hawkins at October 20, 2008 01:14 PM
I think Dan Quayle at least could count to 4, something Slow Joe Biden seems to be unable to do.
But Joe probably knows how many states there are in the Union.
You know they called Quayle a moron for less
Posted by Hawkins at October 20, 2008 01:14 PM
I think Dan Quayle at least could count to 4, something Slow Joe Biden seems to be unable to do.
But Joe probably knows how many states there are in the Union.
Posted by: iconoclast at October 20, 2008 01:33 PM (ex0JG)
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After a summit with Kruschev, in which he got bullied around, JFK came home and said, "It's time to project American power and Vietnam is the place."
From Stanley Karnow's "Vietnam: A History"
From Stanley Karnow's "Vietnam: A History"
Posted by: nabisco kid at October 20, 2008 01:34 PM (oDo3P)
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gman has it right. it's about the only scenario that fits the bill! As a matter of fact it's almost so blatently obvious based on Obama's foreign policy advisors, don't be surprised to see Israel attack shortly after Obama's election but before he takes office. At least then Bush is likely to offer at least passive support. What's the arabic word for Messiah?
Posted by: L.Jay at October 20, 2008 01:36 PM (GAf+S)
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I wasn't apparent, initially, that the West Germans were right to stage a hi-jacking for the purpse of releasing the Munich terrorists either, but in 2001, when the Hamburg terror cells attacked the US, and not Germany, the wisdom of the policy became apparent.
Posted by: moptop at October 20, 2008 01:47 PM (I5axq)
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"What's the arabic word for Messiah?"
L.Jay -- It's Mahdi. The "Mad Mullah of Sudan", who killed General Gordon at Khartoum, claimed to be the Mahdi.
Sunnis and Shia have different views of the Mahdi. Sunnis have a number of diverging views and not all express a belief in a Madhi, others tie the Madhi to the second coming of Jesus, while still others view the Madhi as separate from Jesus.
The Shia believe that the Madhi is the 12th of "Hidden" Iman, who as a child disappeared in the 9th Century during an Moslem civil war.
In any event, the Iranian president has made some statements that indicate he believes the Madhi is about to return.
L.Jay -- It's Mahdi. The "Mad Mullah of Sudan", who killed General Gordon at Khartoum, claimed to be the Mahdi.
Sunnis and Shia have different views of the Mahdi. Sunnis have a number of diverging views and not all express a belief in a Madhi, others tie the Madhi to the second coming of Jesus, while still others view the Madhi as separate from Jesus.
The Shia believe that the Madhi is the 12th of "Hidden" Iman, who as a child disappeared in the 9th Century during an Moslem civil war.
In any event, the Iranian president has made some statements that indicate he believes the Madhi is about to return.
Posted by: Room 237 at October 20, 2008 01:51 PM (hMQke)
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Stupid to say it out loud, but absolutely correct. That is one of the top reasons I am voting for the other ticket.
Posted by: Bart at October 20, 2008 01:54 PM (2PlTJ)
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First of all -- duh! Biden, some kind of foreign affairs genius (according to Obama??), is saying this. Well, duh, I've been saying this to my friends for months -- Obama gets into office and all hell breaks loose (perhaps Biden has plagiarized one of my emails). I personally think it will be WWIII starting with Iran/Israel and nukes. But there are a number of things it could be.
And I love how it's some big secret how they are going to handle it: It won't be popular, but you are going to have to trust us. That sounds promising. And isn't during the campaign supposed to be he time when candidates are supposed to tell us how they would handle hypothetical (and likely) international situations, so that we can be informed voters. What is this? Election 'Let's make a Deal?' I'll take what's behind curtain #1.
Let me guess it's something like this. Let's say for example, the crisis is Russia invades Georgia -- Obama will respond like this: "Um, uh, let's disucss this with uh Russia...I mean uh we will defend Georgia, um I mean uh we won't?... I mean we will...we won't..we will...we won't...?" Oh, right, we should defnitely trust that. Am I in the Twilight Zone, because this guy is ahead in the polls, right?
And I love how it's some big secret how they are going to handle it: It won't be popular, but you are going to have to trust us. That sounds promising. And isn't during the campaign supposed to be he time when candidates are supposed to tell us how they would handle hypothetical (and likely) international situations, so that we can be informed voters. What is this? Election 'Let's make a Deal?' I'll take what's behind curtain #1.
Let me guess it's something like this. Let's say for example, the crisis is Russia invades Georgia -- Obama will respond like this: "Um, uh, let's disucss this with uh Russia...I mean uh we will defend Georgia, um I mean uh we won't?... I mean we will...we won't..we will...we won't...?" Oh, right, we should defnitely trust that. Am I in the Twilight Zone, because this guy is ahead in the polls, right?
Posted by: smc at October 20, 2008 01:55 PM (bwa0q)
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I agree with gman. The Iran/Israel scenerio fits in with Jesse Jackson's talking points memo to Israel the other day. BO will basically tell Iran to call him if they need him...and Israel to go to hell.
Posted by: m at October 20, 2008 02:05 PM (k2abx)
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I love yappity yapp Biden. He says the darndest things. Unfortunately for our country, many of the things he says are comical, but not intended to be so. Jeeesh. I want experience and sanity in the White House, not a couple of would-be Saturday Night Live television characters by the name of Obama and Biden making the all important decisions that will keep America safe.
I'm a Democrat for McCain/Palin!
I'm a Democrat for McCain/Palin!
Posted by: nomobama at October 20, 2008 02:25 PM (QpV8r)
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It's either that SNL doesn't have anyone who could imitate Biden, or that he never says anything that could be remotely the target of humor, that I've never seen his 'gaffes' on SNL or even the Daily Show, or the Letterman Show.
But if Palin had said this all hell would break loose.
I wonder how Colonic Powell is feeling now that the day after his supposed imprimatur of the Obamanation, the running mate is telling everyone that he's not one who could handle a crisis intelligently and everyone will hate him for it?
But if Palin had said this all hell would break loose.
I wonder how Colonic Powell is feeling now that the day after his supposed imprimatur of the Obamanation, the running mate is telling everyone that he's not one who could handle a crisis intelligently and everyone will hate him for it?
Posted by: eaglewingz08 at October 20, 2008 02:25 PM (W88Qb)
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I was shocked and offended. but he was a liberal Democrat and the word had gone out to use their influence in the community.
That Vast Left Wing Conspiracy - first the dentists, then the dog walkers and the guy who cleans the pool.
They're all around us! Aaaaaaaagh!
That Vast Left Wing Conspiracy - first the dentists, then the dog walkers and the guy who cleans the pool.
They're all around us! Aaaaaaaagh!
Posted by: Copper Top at October 20, 2008 04:12 PM (pzpCQ)
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It won't be six months. It will be six weeks. And it may be within six hours of President Obama taking office. I'm sure the various parties adverse to the West have already made plans in the event of an Obama Presidency.
Posted by: zhombre at October 20, 2008 04:23 PM (WfSvm)
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Obama is the Looter's President among others. As long as there is booty for his supporters, there will be no objections to any decison he makes, no matter what happens in the long run to US interests abroad. Clinton Redux. His sole focus will be on rebuilding the domestic economy since his power will come from that alone. Public spending will be large since no politician ever lost an election by creating a deficit but rather by trying to control one at the expense of his supporters. Military spending will suffer mightily, taxes will rise. As for Biden, who knows what he was actually refering to. Since he was talking to a partisan crowd, he might have been preparing them for Obama doing something right, ie against their ideologic principles, like bombing Iran or staying in Iraq or some other anti left position. Obama lies continuously so maybe Joe was preparing his troops for their own castor oil.
Posted by: mytralman at October 20, 2008 04:44 PM (0mKiN)
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BO will basically tell Iran to call him if they need him...and Israel to go to hell.
Maybe, but Zero had better bone up on "The Samson Option":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
Israel already has enough nukes in its arsenal to ensure Islam will be exterminated in the Middle East. Hell, with nothing to lose, Israel might also lob some nukes at Europe and Russia as a final payback for 1000 years of oppression and murder.
Maybe, but Zero had better bone up on "The Samson Option":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
Israel already has enough nukes in its arsenal to ensure Islam will be exterminated in the Middle East. Hell, with nothing to lose, Israel might also lob some nukes at Europe and Russia as a final payback for 1000 years of oppression and murder.
Posted by: MarkJ at October 20, 2008 05:41 PM (ZFVlP)
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I think gman is very close. It's not that Isreal will hit Iran and we decline to help them. I believe Obama will order a shoot down of the Isreali attack wave.
Posted by: Kurt Preston at October 20, 2008 08:05 PM (X6F9v)
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I have this vision, An IED set off in times Square and Obama sitting on
the floor in the oval office drooling and mumbling Wha-tiz Wha-tiz and
then they take him away to the Home!! Never to be seen again…
I have this vision, An IED set off in times Square and Obama sitting on
the floor in the oval office drooling and mumbling Wha-tiz Wha-tiz and
then they take him away to the Home!! Never to be seen again…
Posted by: Gator at October 20, 2008 08:36 PM (uaTZE)
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A little FYI, Pakistan is now considered a far more dangerous country than
Iran. Simple they have Nukes and they are ripe for a revolt into the wrong hands…
Iran. Simple they have Nukes and they are ripe for a revolt into the wrong hands…
Posted by: Gator at October 20, 2008 08:40 PM (uaTZE)
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Ah good ol' Joe, the gaffe that keeps on giving.
Posted by: Conservative CBU at October 20, 2008 09:48 PM (M+Vfm)
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The “Troofers” will have a field day with this Biden stuff.
I can see it now ..
Biden predicted 2nd 9/11 .. was definitely an inside job
I haven’t yet figured out if Biden is courting or shunning the “Troofer” vote.
I can see it now ..
Biden predicted 2nd 9/11 .. was definitely an inside job
I haven’t yet figured out if Biden is courting or shunning the “Troofer” vote.
Posted by: Neo at October 21, 2008 09:57 AM (Yozw9)
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“In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” Barack Obama
The FBI can forget looking for muslim terrorists in America under Obama. Obama will stand with the muslims, period. He has spent a thousand Sundays in praise of Jew-hate, America-hate, God-hate. Obama will have every available government agency from the FBI to the IRS doing criminal investigations on political enemies. Michelle Obama will make Hillary's White House stack of FBI files on enemies look like a comic book collection.
Dark days ahead, and it's probably racist these days to even use the phrase. Jesus, please!
The FBI can forget looking for muslim terrorists in America under Obama. Obama will stand with the muslims, period. He has spent a thousand Sundays in praise of Jew-hate, America-hate, God-hate. Obama will have every available government agency from the FBI to the IRS doing criminal investigations on political enemies. Michelle Obama will make Hillary's White House stack of FBI files on enemies look like a comic book collection.
Dark days ahead, and it's probably racist these days to even use the phrase. Jesus, please!
Posted by: twolaneflash at October 21, 2008 10:36 AM (05dZx)
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Can anyone doubt that Barry will take a far sterner line with those who traffic in "hard stares" than those who behead infidels? Do we REALLY have to go through this whole thing so the Democrat morons who drove the economy into the ditch can do the same thing with modernity itself?
Posted by: megapotamus at October 21, 2008 02:53 PM (LF+qW)
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An interesting point came up on Hannity today (I think it was Mayor Rudy who said it, but I could be wrong):
Did anyone feel the need to "test" Eisenhower after he was elected? Or Reagan?
Nope; they were known quantities, and America's enemies didn't wanna mess with them.
Obama is no Ike, nor Gipper. Heck, he's not even JFK (JFK's tax cut was a true tax cut, and he was a defense hawk).
Did anyone feel the need to "test" Eisenhower after he was elected? Or Reagan?
Nope; they were known quantities, and America's enemies didn't wanna mess with them.
Obama is no Ike, nor Gipper. Heck, he's not even JFK (JFK's tax cut was a true tax cut, and he was a defense hawk).
Posted by: C-C-G at October 21, 2008 05:23 PM (sII0T)
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At least ole "Slow Joe" has a handle on this one. I gotta agree with Joe on that.
Posted by: Tonto (USA) at October 21, 2008 05:50 PM (Qv1xF)
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The Reagan example is important to remember. At the time all the elites, even the alleged conservatives stood in opposition to Reagan's anti-Commie policies. Even his own staffers were always trying to get him to tone things down. Wrong-o. We win. They lose. THAT is the only policy to have in a war and the Cold War was a real war no matter what the closet Commies of today tell you. There is chatter today of Al-Queda's "endorsement" of McCain supposedly teased from a jihadi website with the idea that he will continue the GWOT that has been so terrible for us and so beneficial to them. Can anyone take that seriously? Yet we have a series of public endorsements of Hamas for Barry and we easily see the policies on Iran, Israel and diplomacy generally that they want. Air it all out, I say and let the peeps decide. Can anyone doubt that the aspirations of the jihadis will be easier to achieve under Obama? Anyone? Bueller?
Posted by: megapotamus at October 22, 2008 02:47 PM (LF+qW)
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Mega, there's also a true JFK-Obama parallel that's worth looking at.
JFK met with Nikita Khrushchev very soon after taking office, and without any sort of preconditions. Khrushchev took that to be a sign of weakness, a view strengthened by the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion, and many historians today believe that led directly to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
One can only wonder what BHO's desire to meet with Ahmadinnerjacket, again, without preconditions, will lead to. It's pretty much certain that the Iranians will see it as a sign of weakness.
Biden has this one at least partially right... Obama will face an international test. But I doubt that he'll do the right thing, especially with Biden advising him, since Biden's been wrong on just about every foreign affairs issue for years.
It doesn't show strength to meet with your enemies without preconditions... it shows that you don't think you're strong enough to demand preconditions. And everyone except BHO seems to understand that.
JFK met with Nikita Khrushchev very soon after taking office, and without any sort of preconditions. Khrushchev took that to be a sign of weakness, a view strengthened by the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion, and many historians today believe that led directly to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
One can only wonder what BHO's desire to meet with Ahmadinnerjacket, again, without preconditions, will lead to. It's pretty much certain that the Iranians will see it as a sign of weakness.
Biden has this one at least partially right... Obama will face an international test. But I doubt that he'll do the right thing, especially with Biden advising him, since Biden's been wrong on just about every foreign affairs issue for years.
It doesn't show strength to meet with your enemies without preconditions... it shows that you don't think you're strong enough to demand preconditions. And everyone except BHO seems to understand that.
Posted by: C-C-G at October 22, 2008 07:59 PM (sII0T)
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