Confederate Yankee
August 20, 2006
When E.F. Hezbollah Speaks...
...people listen.
I guess that answers
this.
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Never would've guessed.
I thought that the Lebanease army delivered Hizb'Allah radar readings data and let them use the army's radar station for an attack on the Israeli warship INS Hanit just for fun.
Regards, F. S. Alex
Posted by: Fisrt Sergeant Alex at August 20, 2006 02:24 PM (UuKve)
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August 19, 2006
Photojournalism in Crisis
David D. Perlmutter in Editor and Publisher:
The Israeli-Hezbollah war has left many dead bodies, ruined towns, and wobbling politicians in its wake, but the media historian of the future may also count as one more victim the profession of photojournalism. In twenty years of researching and teaching about the art and trade and doing photo-documentary work, I have never witnessed or heard of such a wave of attacks on the people who take news pictures and on the basic premise that nonfiction news photo- and videography is possible.
I'm not sure, however, if the craft I love is being murdered, committing suicide, or both.
As they say,
read the whole thing.
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It's not the craft, it's the craftiness.
Posted by: jay tel aviv at August 19, 2006 05:40 PM (1TMJI)
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It is good to see this reaction inside the world of reporters and journalists. I am sure they don't like the idea of being used as tools by an enemy loke a jihadist terrorist group - especially being used to disseminate lies. They are, after all, professionals. Professionals who hold freedom and truth as their highest values, as well.
Posted by: Jersey Dave at August 20, 2006 01:07 AM (xIz9u)
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CY gets props (of a sort) from E&P. Outstanding.
What is disturbing about Perlmutter's piece is that he thinks it should somehow be painful for the journalism business to implement actual integrity.
The second, much more painful option, is to implement your ideals, the ones we still teach in journalism school...
Why should it be "painful", as he says, unless he believes there are some sort of valid conflicting goals here?
IMO, its only "painful" if you're a lying scumbag being forced down that path by a public weilding red hot pokers.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 20, 2006 12:18 PM (c/xwT)
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August 18, 2006
So Long, and Thanks for All the Fisk
As the Islamic Armegeddon apparently approaches just four days hence,
I thought I'd take this opportunity to mention all the thinks I'm going to miss as a result.
Car Swarms
Sadly, this
uniquely Palestinian cultural curiosity is about to expire, along with those who practice it. I never quite understood the odd fascination with retrieving bits of flesh from martyrs "liberated" of their earthly chains courtesy of the Israeli Air Force, but it was an interesting custom to view all the same. I'll have to find another pointless expression of impotent rage to fill this void in my life. Is Randi Rhodes still on the air?
"Differently-Abled" Suicide Bombers
Say what you will about their people skills and willingness to accept those of other beliefs, the various terrorist groups in the Middle East have always believed in diversity, even allowing the
mentally infirm and
gullible a direct shot at paradise.
If only we cared enough to extend equal opportunities across all strata and mental levels of our society, perhaps we could be as great a culture. Then again, Cynthia McKinney
was elected twice, so perhaps we're doing better in this regard than I originally thought.
Sand
The price is certainly going to go up. Of course, glass will become much more economical, so it might balance out.
Arab Media
I'll be honest: they've provided me
a lot of material in past weeks, and I'm going to miss their fine original craftsmanship, which was openly appreciated in our own media outlets as well. Bill Keller is going to have to find a new mentor, but no doubt he'll land on his feet on a nice marble floor. So long,
Qana Chameleons, and thanks for all the
Fisk.
Hummus
No, not really.
You may look at this admittedly short list and ask, "hey, what about all the things in the "Great Satan" and the "Little Satan" that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadabbracadabrajad has promised to destroy as he brings forth the holy cleansing fire of the Hidden Imam?"
And I'll look back at you with a smile on may face and say those four sweet, magic words, "
North Korea-designed missiles."
I'll see you on the 23rd.
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Cy, a great post again, though I got to disagree with you.
Even if Mahmud Ahmadinif@cked will launch an attack on Israel we have some means to defend against it (the Hetz 3 ani-ballistic missile).
But yes, the Israeli response will be quite quick and definatly devastating.
Albeit, you'll still have your palestinians and at least a part of the Arab media so don't be so sad.
See you on the 23rd.
F. Sgt. Alex
Posted by: First Sergeant Alex at August 18, 2006 12:12 PM (2pCwu)
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You have the audacity to disparage the great and powerful hummus!?!? To the streets my brethren. The comic strip jihad will be nothing compared to the hummus one!
Posted by: The Moderate Muslim at August 19, 2006 10:48 AM (++0ve)
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I couldn't get your trackback to work, so just wanted to let you know that I linked to you in a post I did about the irony that, within weeks of Hezbollah's being accused of shipping handicapped kids into Qana to use them for Israeli target practice, the "Arab Group" at the UN made a medium to-do about occupation forces abusing handicapped people during times of war. http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2006/08/18/a-bizarre-juxtaposition-or-the-chutzpah-of-it-all/
Posted by: Bookworm at August 19, 2006 11:18 AM (i/AgA)
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hummus has been known to raise HDL. thats why these creeps only die from strapping ecplosives around their chests.
Posted by: jay tel aviv at August 19, 2006 05:43 PM (1TMJI)
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Mee...mee...mee...
Happy trails to you,
Until we meet again.
Happy trails to you,
Keep smilin' until then.
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Southern Hospitality
The Lebanese Interior Minstry is outraged over a video showing Lebanese soldiers offering tea to Israeli soldiers during the invasion of Marjeyoun on August 10. The Interior Ministry is ordering the base commander, Gen. Adnan Daoud, to be placed under arrest.
Here is an account of what transpired via
CNN:
There have been conflicting accounts of what happened at Marjeyoun.
In the video, two Israeli tanks roll up to the gate of the Marjeyoun garrison, where a white surrender flag flutters outside the barracks.
Inside, Lebanese soldiers hold trays with glasses of tea, which they offer to the Israelis. The encounter appears merely social.
However, it is possible that unpleasant parts of the video were deleted during editing.
This is in opposition to accounts of what happened when Israeli soldiers arrived according to several Arab media outlets.
Arab-language network Al-Jazeera has quoted Hezbollah as saying "violent battles" took place with their militants, and Arab news networks Al-Manar and Al-Arabiya reported at least two Israeli tanks were destroyed in the fighting.
Apparently, the new Arab media definition of "destroyed" has been expanded to cover the spilling of milk and sugar on army vehicles. That, or they are lying, and who would expect that from professional media organizations?
While I certainly wouldn't want American soldiers extending this amount of hospitality to foreign invaders, I can't say I blame the Lebanese. They are, after all, only following our example.
The Administration has taken the "tea and cookies" route in dealing with the invasion of illegal immigrants across our southern border for years, so perhaps this model behavior explains this exchange between the Israeli and Lebanese commanders on the scene, as captured on the video:
At one point in the video, Daoud and an Israeli soldier have the following exchange, as translated by CNN's Octavia Nasr:
Daoud: "Don't we need to tell our bosses?"
Israeli soldier: "Tell whoever you want."
Daoud: "We need to brief them on what happened."
Israeli soldier: "We briefed (U.S. President) Bush. You brief whoever you want."
Daoud: "We need to brief Bush too."
While translating democracy to Arab culture continues to be problematic of the President, at least it appears his overly friendly "southern hospitality" is finding admirers around the world.
That, or Lebanese soldiers with small arms don't feel like getting themselves killed for nothing. And after all Hezbollah has
done for Lebanon...
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CY, great post again.
One thing that I'd like to clear out. The "Isreli soldier" talking to the Lebanese general on the video is in fact an IDF Colnel (you can clearly see the 3 leaves on his shoulder).
Note, that during the entire war Lebanease army did little to try and hinder IDF's effort against Hizb'Allah.
Mabe it's because former Lebanease army General Antuan Laheed is currently living in Israel. Who knows, mabe he still has connections back at home.
Regards, F. Sgt. Alex
Posted by: Fisrt Sergeant Alex at August 19, 2006 05:47 AM (Qp1AX)
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The Lebanonese Army has always been allies with the IDF, and served as a buffer against Syria for the IDF for several years when Israel last occupied Southern Lebanon.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 19, 2006 03:18 PM (uV5RC)
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Mike,
During the Southern Lebanon ocupation of 1982-2000 Israel used 2 devisions of the Lebanease army (that broke away from the bulk of the Lebanease army when Siria occupied most of Lebanon) to create the Southern Lebanease Army, which was placed in the buffer zone between Hizba'Allah with Sirian forces and Israel alongside Israeli forces.
The commander of this rouge force was no other then General Antuan Laheed.
When Israel pulled out of Lebanon in 2000 it evacuted the SLA to Israeli territory and then disbanded it. Most of SLA personnel still leave in Israel with their families, some SLA forces have been integrated into the IDF.
It's quite possible though that Israel has a strong connection to Lebanease Army via Gen. Laheed and other former LSA officers, though they are considered traitors in Lebanon.
Regards, F. Sgt. Alex
Posted by: First Sergeant Alex at August 20, 2006 08:10 AM (yyjbD)
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First Sergeant Alex:
I just imagine that after 18 years in one spot someone had to make a few friends and contacts even if it's just business. There's probably less of that now than 3 months ago. It's looks like the IDF has worn out its welcome, again.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 20, 2006 12:17 PM (stNIg)
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Mike,
You said:
I just imagine that after 18 years in one spot someone had to make a few friends and contacts even if it's just business. There's probably less of that now than 3 months ago. It's looks like the IDF has worn out its welcome, again.
Well, so it seems, my friend.
Or so it's intended to seem, if only to protect the lives of those involved and their families (you know, the Hizb'Allah can be quite ruthless at times). One can only wonder how the target bank was replanished during the war and other minor things like deep inteligence data and etc.
I won't and can't add any other word on this due to obvious reasons. Drive your own conclusions on this one.
Regards, F. Sgt. Alex
Posted by: Fisrt Sergeant Alex at August 20, 2006 02:09 PM (UuKve)
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First Sergeant Alex:
Take Care my Friend.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 21, 2006 05:48 PM (HH7vy)
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Thank you Mike, I'll certainly try.
Thou as things look to be developing - my stay in relative safety will soon come to an end.
"But somebody has to do this hard and dirty work, or nobody will do it" - my CO always says.
Regards, F. Sgt. Alex
Posted by: Fisrt Sergeant Alex at August 21, 2006 06:27 PM (r4IwI)
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August 17, 2006
A Blip
As you know by now, a liberal Detroit judge has ruled against the NSA's terrorist communications intercept program initiated by President Bush. If you fan out across the blogosphere, everyone has an opinion on the ruling.
I'm not really up to it, so I'll go with the professionals, starting with the
Volokh Conspiracy
Eugene Volokh:
...the judge's opinion in today's NSA eavesdropping case seems not just ill-reasoned, but rhetorically ill-conceived. A careful, thoughtful, detailed, studiously calm and impartial-seeming opinion might have swung some higher court judges (and indirectly some Justices, if it comes to that). A seemingly angry, almost partisan-sounding opinion ("[The orders] violate the Separation of Powers ordained by the very Constitution of which this President is a creature," emphasis added, thanks to a caller for pointing this out) is unlikely to sway the other judges — especially when the opinion is rich in generalities, platitudes ("There are no hereditary Kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution"), and "obviously"'s, and poor in detailed discussion of some of the government's strongest arguments.
Dale Carpenter:
I am one of those who believes that the NSA program is not authorized by the AUMF, that it violates FISA, that FISA is a constitutional exercise of congressional power, and that therefore the NSA program is both illegal and unconstitutional. I have written so here. But I am less sure this is an issue courts should review, and even less sure that this case is one they should review.
So while the much sexier questions of executive power, the First Amendment, and the Fourth Amendment, will no doubt occupy many of us over the coming months (as they already have), I'd be willing to bet that at either the appellate court or the Supreme Court the suit will be dismissed for lack of standing.
Orin Kerr:
I've just read through the Fourth Amendment part of Judge Taylor's opinion on the NSA domestic wiretapping opinion, and, well, um, it's kind of hard to know what to make of it. There really isn't any analysis; rather, it's just a few pages of general ruminations about the Fourth Amendment (much of it incomplete and some of it simply incorrect) followed by the statement in passing that the program is "obviously" in violation of the Fourth Amendment...
It's hardly obvious that the program — or some aspect of it — violates the Fourth Amendment; that's the issue before the court, and my sense is that we really don't know enough to answer it without knowing the facts...
I can come up with explanations for why a district court judge inclined to rule against the program would put out an opinion that isn't quite ready for prime time. For example, Senator Specter's bill would take these issues away from the district court, so the choice might be to speak now or never. But at least based on the court's Fourth Amendment analysis, I suspect this opinion is important more for its political impact and its triggering of appellate review than for any analysis in the opinion itself.
Mark Levin hits many of the same points. The consensus among these legal scholars is that the judge made a very weak ruling, and seem to indicate that it will probably get tossed at a September 7 appellate court hearing.
My gut reaction? The ACLU venue-shopped to get a judge that fit their needs, and won a short-term political victory. In the long run, it won't affect the operations of the NSA program all that much, if at all.
I just can't get too excited or irate over a case that seems assured to die a quick death.
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It seems there was two main player in this lawsuit. The anti-american ACLU and a totally terrorists organizaton called CAIR. Now I know the left wing demorats are more dangerous than all of the terrorist in the world. They are supporting both of these organization that are out to destroy America.
Posted by: Scrapiron at August 18, 2006 12:36 AM (fEnUg)
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Linked at Old War Dogs >> NSA eavesdropping program "unconstitutional" -- More
Posted by: Bill Faith at August 18, 2006 12:37 AM (n7SaI)
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Last February would have been a quick death. You're a tad late for that prognostication.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 18, 2006 08:03 PM (oCro8)
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Liberals and terrorists 's what I call 'eml. What kinds of crazies stand up for the induhidual rights of citizens in the face of encroaching government tyranny?
Posted by: doodoo at August 20, 2006 06:06 PM (RgCSs)
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Pocketbook Jihad
Look at any of the casualty figures coming out of Lebanon in the world's major media organizations, and you'll see something very close to this:
The Lebanese death toll, meanwhile, rose to 842 when rescue workers pulled 32 bodies from the rubble in the southern town of Srifa, target of some of Israel's heaviest bombardment in the 34-day conflict. The figure was assembled from reports by security and police officials, doctors and civil defense workers, morgue attendants as well as the military.
The Israeli toll was 157, including 118 soldiers, according to its military and government.
What is missing from this death toll (which CBS News has now quietly removed from this web report) are the casualties sustained by Hezbollah.
Many people would presumably be interested in knowing the toll the war has had on Hezbollah, as Hezbollah's actions did indeed trigger this latest war. But a recalcitrant media has steadfastly refused to provide these figures.
The Israel Defense Forces, as a standard practice, makes an effort to photograph and document each Hezbollah fighter confirmed killed, and also estimates the number of unconfirmed/unclaimed Hezbollah casualties from air strikes and artillery fire. Certainly, a media that has spent a considerable amount of their time and resources ferreting out and reporting America's secret national security programs could easily access unclassified information, some of which has been published on the IDF's
own web site. Even a cursory analysis of the world's media reporting out of Lebanon reveals that in photographs, on video and radio broadcasts, and in print, Hezbollah casualties are almost never reported. So why does the media choose to underreport Hezbollah's casualties?
The answer may at least partially lie in stories of Lebanese casualties that the world media
does choose to report. Story after story, photo after photo, dead and distraught Lebanese civilians clog the mediastream, building a false, grim montage of a war in which primarily Israeli soldiers and Lebanese civilians die.
This is not the whole truth of this war, but a partial truth developed through complacency and an apparent willful disregard to report the facts on the ground. Instead of seeking and publishing the entire truth, newsrooms have decided that they will publish the stories and images framed by foreign, mostly Arab Muslim reporters, even though their own cultural interests in these events are a clear and undeniable conflict of interest precluding even a pretense of unbiased reporting.
This is beyond bias, it is a reckless and willful disregard for reporting the whole truth in favor of reporting "news" that is easier to sell in a larger world media market. The casualty statistics are there, but the media sticks to the narrative they have helped create because while honest reporting is a goal, the business of the media business is business.
If it "bleeds it leads," but only if what leads sells advertising. News consumers around the world consume the news that more closely matches their perceptions of how reality should be, and stories critical of Hezbollah, stories that show their failures and deaths, don't sell in world population featuring 1.3 billion Muslims that hope for Israel's demise, or at the very best are indifferent to their fate. It is anti-Semitism by cashflow, a pocketbook jihad that buys the media's silence.
This morning I received a comment from an IDF sergeant, stating in part:
It's not classified, but I dought[sic] you'll ever see these figures in the MSM. According to our statistics we (the IDF) have scored OVER 600 CONFIRMED enemy kills (photgrphed [sic], documented, claimed and added to the killboard, I personally scored 2 kills to add to my record) and another 800-1200 unconfirmed/unclaimed kills (this estimation includes kills form airstrikes/artillary shelling). The Hizb'Allah losses aren't counted, on the most part, against the official number of Lebanease[sic] casualties.
Hezbollah has suffered 500-600+ confirmed fatalities, and estimates are that another 800-1200 are dead; perhaps half of Hezbollah's armed forces, and yet the media chooses to ignore these readily accessed figures in favor of a more marketable Lebanese civilian body count.
The media chooses to underreport Hezbollah's casualties because it is bad for business, while it unashamedly pimps civilian corpses for profit. That is just one of the ugly realities of this war that isn't considered "all the news that's fit to print."
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CY, It's clear the MSM refuses to distinguish militant proxies from innocent civilians in the ME. To them it's as if Hezbollah is just a local Lebanese chapter of the Lions Club.
I think the reason for this blindness is that the incisive investigative work that publicizes this civilian-militant distinction opens a terrifying pandoras box for them. The MSM penchant for faddish pacifism, UN primacy, "multiculturalism," transnationalism and anti-republicanism will come under rational scrutiiny if they report that expatriate Hezbollah fighters are not Lebanese.
It boils down to accountability. Proxies allow an antagonist to escape accountability for its proxies' actions. But, a community of bounded nation-states asserts that accountability. So, given that the progressive's socialist global agenda requires that personal and national accountability be discounted, we shouldn't be surprised that the MSM doesn't want to probe too deeply here.
Maybe, too, it's because the MSM has become a proxy mouthpiece for progressive politicians in America, Australia and Europe, and they don't want critiques of proxy-actions in general to gain front-page notoriety. People might start asking questions.
-Steve
Posted by: Steve at August 17, 2006 10:22 AM (mw+rq)
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Murtha Lied (Confirmed)
Patterico has directly confirmed that Democratic Rep. John Murtha just flat out lied about when he was briefed about Haditha.
It appears that the DNC's retreat specialist is in trouble.
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I was wondering this morning why we haven't heard hide nor hair of him in so long. Maybe this is why.
I wonder how his reelection is doing.
Posted by: monkeyboy at August 17, 2006 07:28 AM (w4rJE)
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patterico is grasping at straws.
the la times said murtha's source on haditha was a briefing from hagee, but patterico alleges, perhaps even correctly, that hagee didn't brief murtha until a week after murtha spoke out about haditha. thus patterico thinks he gets the two birds in the bush, slamming murtha for lying and the times for covering up those lies.
the problem is murtha's source wasn't hagee. it was, as might be expected by a key pipeline between the military and congress, unnamed military sources.
did the la times do shoddy reporting? perhaps. but murtha's integrity is beyond reproach. and his seat, btw, is also very safe.
Posted by: angry young man at August 17, 2006 09:49 AM (vC1jc)
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Wrongo angry,
When asked where he got the information upon which he based his now infamous statement, Murtha himself claimed in the Philadelphia Enquirer that the source was Hagee. Sorry. You Lose. Next Player?
Posted by: Specter at August 17, 2006 12:49 PM (ybfXM)
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angry young man, don't you just hate it when facts get in the way of a good rebuttal?
Posted by: Old Soldier at August 17, 2006 02:25 PM (X2tAw)
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which would suggest that hagee was the unnamed military source. if he's going to try to burn murtha to cover his ass, i don't see why murtha shouldn't burn him in his own defense.
Posted by: angry young man at August 17, 2006 02:37 PM (vC1jc)
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Let's see what old Jello Jowls has to say when testifying under oath, OK? He IS the defendant in a defamation lawsuit against him. He can sink or tread water or get his butt to swimming.
Posted by: Retired Spy at August 17, 2006 04:09 PM (Xw2ki)
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angry,
It doesn't suggest it - Murtha claimed it. In Print. In front of the world. Sorry but you already lost this game. Try another.
Posted by: Specter at August 17, 2006 06:34 PM (ybfXM)
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Here's what the Inquirer reported:
"Asked about this in the interview, Murtha said the information came from Gen. Michael Hagee, the commandant of the Marine Corps, in a one-on-one conversation the day before Hagee made a trip to Iraq. Hagee did not use the term "in cold blood," he added.
"Col. Dave Lapan, a Marine spokesman, disputed Murtha's account.
"He said the commandant did brief Murtha about the Haditha incident. But he said that was on May 24, a week after Murtha made his public comment. The next day, May 25, Hagee left for Iraq, he said."
In other words, it's Murtha's word against the mouthpiece the Marines sent out to deflect attention from the massacre at Haditha, a job facilitated by the Swift Boat liars who were, you'll remember, shouted out of town during the attempted protest. One wonders, also, if the commandant was sped from America so quickly so he could dodge any direct questions about he knew about Haditha.
I wonder if Col. Lapan will be the one to testify in court for Hagee too as to the facts of his revelations.
Nice try, boys. Haditha happened, and it happened not because our soldiers are inherently bad, but because their training has not prepared them for the jobs they're expected to do; and because that job is unclear, being built on Bush Administration ideology, not military strategy. Smearing Murtha, who's earned more respect than most for actually fighting in wars, won't make Haditha go away--or what it signals about Bush's Folly and the fact that we obviously don't have the supposed best trained military in the world.
Posted by: angry young man at August 17, 2006 07:15 PM (2yIW/)
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He said, she said. Let's take Hagee's spokeswoman's claim at face value and conclude that Murtha must be lying. Yep, makes sense.
Posted by: Kinbote at August 17, 2006 07:25 PM (tC27u)
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So - everyone agrees that Murtha was not "briefed" until the 24th. Sorry angry - still doesn't explain why Murtha said what he said on the 17th - a full week before he was briefed. You see - you can claim all you want that the Marines are using Hagee as a deflection - but it WAS Murtha who claimed that Hagee briefed him - the whole article was about who was Murtha's source for his "cold blooded murder" comment. How did he know a week in advance? You don't adress facts well do you?
Posted by: Specter at August 17, 2006 08:14 PM (ybfXM)
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Tell me, angry .... what the ^&%$# don't you get about awaiting Murtha's testimony in a court of law? Are you stubborn or just plain dumb?
A little of both, perhaps?
Posted by: Retired Spy at August 17, 2006 08:16 PM (Xw2ki)
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see angry:
Here is what you quoted (my emphasis):
Asked about this in the interview, Murtha said the information came from Gen. Michael Hagee, the commandant of the Marine Corps, in a one-on-one conversation the day before Hagee made a trip to Iraq. Hagee did not use the term "in cold blood," he added.
But since everyone agrees that Murtha was not briefed until the 24th, how could he have made his accusation on the 17th? Game over.
Posted by: Specter at August 17, 2006 08:23 PM (ybfXM)
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No, I'm not agreeing that Murtha spoke to Hagee on 5/24. The Marine spokesman said 5/24, and I think that's a lie to give Hagee and, more importantly, the Marines cover. We could ask Hagee, of course, but he's been spirited out of the country.
And I look forward to Murtha's testimony, especially if the trial is held in a district where he's beloved more than Santa Claus. My point is, will Hagee also be allowed by the Marines to dispute the date or will the Marines stonewall the court and forbid it, perhaps sending another spokesman in his place.
Why are you so willing to take the word of some flack? Why aren't you calling for Hagee to give his side of the story?
Posted by: angry young man at August 17, 2006 08:40 PM (2yIW/)
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And the key point I forgot mention: Where's Hagee to say he left on 5/25, not 5/18? Was he supposed to leave on 5/18, then didn't leave, unbeknownst to Murtha, until 5/25? Murtha didn't give dates. And the Marines are playing with them. You want answers from Murtha. But you should want answers from Hagee.
Posted by: angry young man at August 17, 2006 08:45 PM (2yIW/)
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well angry - i see you are the typical troll - unthinking as you are. But I'm sure that one look at the Congressman's schedule for that time frame will tell us what day he met with Hagee. You'd think though that since Murtha is not already jumping up and down stating - "See - my schedule shows that I met with Hagee before I made remarks on the 17th" says a lot more than the fact that the Marines have already disputed the date. Why do you suppose that Murtha - who loves the cameras - hasn't already stated that the Marines are wrong? Wishful thinking on your part maybe?
BTW - "young man" is truly apt. Do you really think the defendant in a law suit gets to pick the venue? Where did you learn law?
Posted by: Specter at August 17, 2006 09:05 PM (ybfXM)
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i don't see why murtha shouldn't burn him in his own defense
That he dropped the name initially and struck out with it suggests if there is another "unnamed source", it wasn't that one.
Murtha is like OJ out there scouring the planet for the "real killers", when all he needs do is look in the mirror ;->
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 17, 2006 10:17 PM (c/xwT)
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1. i'm impressed. it took until the 15th comment before someone called me a troll. but a troll doesn't lay out an argument. a troll simply insults, derides and departs. i haven't done that.
2. you're picking at tiny things because your argument is lacking. did i say the venue would be in murtha's district? no, but i hope it is.
3. murtha hardly loves the cameras. the man's been in congress more than 30 years. did you ever hear of him before he decided to speak out against bush's war? i doubt it. is he like mehlman and his ilk, sprewing the party's talking points from one show to the next? hardly.
4. murtha has nothing to prove. the marines do. hagee does. the swift boat liars who have him murtha in their sites would like to turn things around and put him on the defensive. but they have misunderstood their target because they have no concept of real integrity and the respect it engenders. just as the swift boat rally at murtha's office was shouted down by a sea of murtha's supporters, and just as jean schmidt is going to lose her seat because of her misaimed venom, the swift boating of murtha will fail because 2/3 of the country believe in what he's saying, believe in him, and don't believe a single word that comes out of a republican's mouth.
Posted by: angry young man at August 17, 2006 10:22 PM (2yIW/)
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BS angry.....Murtha is the one who said Hagee told him. Your logic does not apply. Hagee never came into the picture until Murtha said it. See I can do the same thing - Who ever heard of Hagee before Murtha mentioned his name. As for your argument about Murtha not like cams - Care to count how many times he has been on camera in just the last 10 months to a year - more than ever before in his career. You have no argument. Murtha said Hagee told him. Your argument is supposition more than anyone elses - you suggest that the marines are lying - what a bunch of bull. What you are spouting is not serious conversation - just like your comment comparing him to Santa Claus. It is simply your misguided view of yet another conspiracy dreamed up by everybody else - and I mean everybody except a democrat. Nothing democrats do in your world could be wrong. Everything they do is right. And anyone who says anything different is casting the hero in an evil light. Get over it. This one is done. What a maroon.
BTW - when you come into a sight and call everybody else's opinion wrong - especially when you are new - it does make you a TROLL. Get it?
Some day we may actually know what happened at Haditha. But I doubt it. No forensic evidence to be had. But if you think that our guys should have nicely walked up to the door of a house they believed enemy fire came from and knocked and asked if they could speak to the terrorist of the house you are absolutely nutz. It is not the way things are done in a war zone. Kick down door. Toss in Frag. Clearing fire. Then look. Don't be naive.
Posted by: Specter at August 17, 2006 11:08 PM (ybfXM)
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I guess that angry is angry because he believes that a massacre actually happened at Haditha. He believes that the Marines actually decided one day to go out and just kill a bunch of civilians. That they planned it out in advance - talking about how they would just pick a random house (or houses) and then just bust in and shoot everybody inside. Or that they scouted the area to find out which houses had the most civilians inside. Angry believes that it was a conspiracy from the start.
Now - Murtha came out and said - before the investigation was complete mind you - and it is still not complete - that these young soldiers were "cold blooded murderers". He claimed that he was given that information by Hagee (this can be verified in multiple news accounts). The marines say that Hagee did not brief Murtha until after he had made his statement.
Back to Angry - He believes that Haditha was a conspiracy to start with - despite the fact that no conspiracy has been shown (including the alleged attempt to cover it up - you know those marines must be pretty dumb according to people like Angry - I mean they used their radios after the incident to report that they had civilian casualties). So, for angry, if anyone questions Murtha's account it must be yet ANOTHER conspiracy. Wow - they just flare up in your mind continuously, huh angry?
Conspiracy after conspiracy. And they are all orchestrated by Republicans and are after the poor, unappreciated Democrats. Poor angry. Maybe some nice Thorazine for you huh?
Posted by: Specter at August 17, 2006 11:30 PM (ybfXM)
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I read today that the General has poured gasoline on Murtha's ass and confirmed he did not brief the traitor until after he slimed the young marine's. Now each of the marine's deserve one shot at one hundred yards with their favorite weapon ( a real weapon with real live ammo) at Murtha's fat ass. Let the sh** fly out of somewhere besides his lying mouth.
Posted by: Scrapiron at August 18, 2006 12:45 AM (fEnUg)
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I notice that 'angry young man' seems to think that whoever makes the most noise must be telling the truth.
Posted by: SC88 at August 18, 2006 06:48 PM (hOKJ9)
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why is it that the democrat party is allways out front first to condemn the troops? its very telling
Posted by: buzzard at August 19, 2006 05:29 PM (onz6J)
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Angry,
Don't know if you will read this or not but this is for you.
If one of my Former Sailors called me a "Cold blooded Killer" before the facts were out, or ran off at the mouth about "cut and run" or "redeploying to Okinawa or Guam" while I was trying to do my job, one that was not in the service for YEARS and didn't know the current situation. One that, while in and serving, served as an AIDE, not a front line commander. I would have a hard time swallowing his swill as well.
Those are the reasons that I find Murtha disgusting.
I can respect that he served, I can respect that he doesn't like the war, I can even respect that he wants our troops home (So do I).
I can't respect that he wants to grandstand on his service thinking that makes him right, I can't respect that he wants to cut and run, redeploy, whatever he calls it this week, I can't resepect that he calls the young Marines with their lives on the lines cold blooded killers without even letting the courts go through the evidence.
I, for one, donated to the IREY campaign hoping that he goes away.
Posted by: Retired Navy at August 21, 2006 09:42 AM (elhVA)
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Accuracy Strikes Middle East Reporting
From the front page of today's JPost:
Take note of the headline and contrast it against the caption: "Hizbullah fighter watches IDF Wednesday."
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They just forgot to add "and takes a picture of him".
Posted by: Tim at August 17, 2006 05:37 AM (xqtXG)
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according to Roget, they are one and the same
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Quick Hits
Pat Dollard, the former agent who traded in the glitz of Hollywood for the grit of the Iraqi desert, is nearing completion of the feature film and follow-up cable series for Young Americans, which chronicles the lifes of Marines fighting in Al Anbar Province. He also has a "combat journal" that will be featured in Maxim magazine in November. Maxim Editor-in-Chief, Jimmy Jellinek, said the journal was, "the best thing written about the Marine Corps at war since the book 'Full Metal Jacket' was based on." That book, in case you were wondering, was Gustav Hadford's "The Short Timers."
For folks new to
Confederate Yankee in the past weeks, I invite you to take a look at Ward Brewer's Beauchamp Tower Corp's "
Operation Enduring Service" blog. BTC is a not-for-profit corporation focused on two awesome goals. Part of their effort is to acquire World War II-era warships and turn them into museums.
BTC recently went to Mexico to acquire the former
DD-574 John Rogers, the longest-serving Fletcher-class destroyer in the world, from the Mexican Navy, where combat veteran of Iwo Jima, Guandalcanal, and raids on Japan was on active duty until 2002. Ward has some
cool pictures of the aging veteran from this recent foray, and milblogger John Donovan of
Argghhh! chronicled the trip as well
Start here and go.
John Rogers will make its way to Mobile, Alabama where it will be turned into a Maritime Museum, and will be rededicated in November.
Brewer's Operation Enduring Service also has a major humainitarian goal as well, of converting retired naval transport vessels into state-of-the-art
hurricane response ships to operate throughout the Gulf states and eastern seaboard. surprisingly enough, the federal government, particularly the U.S. Maritime Adminstration, is fighting this effort tooth and nail. Why they are against donating ships (that they intent to scrap anyway) to a life-saving effort is nothing less than insane.
Speaking of insane,
Patterico demolishes sockpuppet master Glenn Greenwald (
again) and his inane defense of the
proven and
admitted photo-staging that occurred in Lebanon.
Ace piles on as well, as only Ace can do.
Oh, and torture?
It works. Dolts can say otherwise, but it has been around for thousands of years becuase of it's effectiveness. I can sleep at night if pulling out a few fingernails (or worse) kept several thousand airline passengers from plunging into the Atlantic from 30,000 feet. As Al Davis says, "Just
win, baby."
Ideals are nice, but don't do you much good as a corpse.
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Maybe one reason torture has been around for centuries is that human nature, unfortunately, has always included cruelty. I still don't believe torture is successful in extracting information, and am saddened that our country seems to be sanctioning this. WWII was a bigger threat, due to the modern militaries we were up against, and I don't recall any justification of torture during that heroic era.
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August 16, 2006
A Caption Too Small
Yes, I'm getting just as tired of this kind of stuff as you are (my bold):
Lebanese civil defense volunteers unload a coffin from a refrigerator outside the Hakoomy hospital in port city of Tyre, southern Lebanon, Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2006. At least 842 people were killed in Lebanon during the 34-day campaign, most of them civilians. Israel suffered 157 dead _ including 118 soldiers.(AP Photo/Sergey Ponomarev)
According to the Associated Press "most" (by definition more than half; at least 421) of those who died were civilians. Considering AP's recent track record in Lebanon, I'm disinclined to believe their claim. Their vague figures run in opposition to what we see here from
Strategy Page:
On the ground, Hizbollah lost nearly 600 of its own personnel, and billions of dollars worth of assets and weapons.
Ynet News, citing the IDF as a source three days ago, states that
530 Hezbollah members have been killed.
If the Hezbollah deaths cited by
StrategyPage and
Ynet are correct and the AP's overall casualty count is close to accurate, then more than 60% of those killed were Hezbollah fighters, even as Hezbollah attempted to hide behind old women and children.
However, when looking at the figures provided by the Associated Press, one would be tempted to infer that Hezbollah's attacks were more precisely targeted at Israeli military forces, as the AP points out that the majority of the Israelis killed by Hezbollah--118 of 157--were soldiers, while "most" of those killed by Israel were civilians.
But the AP conveniently leaves out the fact that half of the Israeli civilians killed were the result of 4,000 indiscriminately targeted Hezbollah rockets purposefully aimed at civilian areas. It also leaves out the glaring fact that Lebanese civilian casualties were so high precisely because Hezbollah chose to fight a war using Lebanese civilians as shields.
Israel specifically targeted precision weapons and artillery fire on infrastructure and Hezbollah targets, while Hezbollah aimed their rockets almost exclusively at Israeli population centers.
In the media war against Israel, somehow the captions are never quite big enough to fit that most basic truth.
Update: An IDF First Sergeant clarifies the situation with first-hand knowledge in the comments:
CY, this is a great post you have written here, though I feel I have to eluminate a few things.
I'm an IDF first sergeant and recently returned from Lebanon. And the way things are develping I might return there sooner then I've hoped.
Hizb'Allah casualties. The numbers you have presented are quite close to accurate, but they don't show the whole picture. It's not classified, but I dought you'll ever see these figures in the MSM. According to our statistics we (the IDF) have scored OVER 600 CONFIRMED enemy kills (photgrphed, documented, claimed and added to the killboard, I personally scored 2 kills to add to my record) and another 800-1200 unconfirmed/unclaimed kills (this estimation includes kills form airstrikes/artillary shelling). The Hizb'Allah losses aren't counted, on the most part, against the official number of Lebanease casualties. Hizb'Allah admits to loosing only 58 of it's own men and 21 more from their ally - the Amal terrorist organisation.
How much troops Hizb'Allah has really lost we'll probably never know since they're quite unlickly to release this information.
Hizb'Allah also lost a lot of weapons and equipment, and quite large amounts of equipment were captured by us.
But the operation wasn't deemed as successful since we didn't get our boys back. Also we (the soldiers) feel that some high ranking officers in the Northern Command had little idea what they where doing. Our political leadership could've should've done more - like sending us in early on/buying us more time to finish the job.
At any rate, Olmert chose to succumb to the will of Kofi Anan and his Useless Nations with their Hizb'Allah backed Associated Propaganda and al-Reuters spitting lies all over the world about disproportionate response and us indiscriminately
killing civilians.
But this isn't over by any means, this "cease fire" is just a temporary respite before all hell will break loose once again. And then we'll finish what we've started.
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I agree, but one samll corection:
not HALF but ALL of the Israeli civilians killed were the result of 4,000 indiscriminately targeted Hezbollah rockets purposefully aimed at civilian areas.
Posted by: hezy amiel at August 16, 2006 03:45 PM (nmxAF)
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Yes, the civilian deaths are bad.
Perspective: in the Normandy Campaign in 1944, more French civilians died than Allied and Nazi soldiers COMBINED.
If the Lebanese government was really horrified by the number of civilian deaths, they would have immediately agreed to Israel's terms for peace. These were not onerous- disband Hezbollah, return two captured soldiers, no big deal.
Conclusion: The deaths of civilians were painful for the Lebanon government, but the thought of disbanding Hezbollah is even MORE painful. They will gladly sacrifice any number of Lebanese to protect this terrorist group.
Ben
Posted by: Ben at August 16, 2006 04:34 PM (04cQ2)
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Given that a "Confederate Yankee" back in the day was known as a "Copperhead" and considered a traitor, it's entirely appropriate that a halfwitted moron like you, out apologizing for today's Party of Southern Treason, would choose it.
Republican: a synonym for traitor, war criminal, thief, con artist, liar, and moron.
Posted by: TCinLA at August 16, 2006 06:09 PM (0BwPH)
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Note also that some recent Hezbollah missiles fell in Lebanese civilian areas. Which, with Iranian money, they are promising to rebuild (presumably with really deep cellars).
And Kofi is upset that Israel does not want to pull out before a peace-keeping force with teeth (permission to fire) is in place, since Kofi has promised that it shouldn't take much more than a year - assuming anyone signs up to be part of it - and why should it matter that Kofi's UN will not be tasked with disarming anyone?
Posted by: teqjack at August 16, 2006 07:38 PM (oHkbn)
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TCinLA, you really need to stop using... it's effecting your ability to be coherent. You might to have the BDS seen about, too.
Posted by: Old Soldier at August 16, 2006 07:53 PM (owAN1)
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Do you know what I find curious? The fact that they are using photo descriptions to convey propaganda.
Aren't these labels supposed to be short, and to describe only what's happening in the picture? Some context is fine, but making an assertion in a photo's label seems out of place.
Good thing he didn't deniend the Holocaust while he was at it.
Posted by: dna at August 16, 2006 08:20 PM (xjpGM)
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TCinLA,
LOL. You just proved where CA got the title the "left coast". LOL. We are laughing at your obvious prejudiced behavior. You are obviously a racist. Too bad. You are probably one of the "elite" that want to run the country. LOL. Stick with the LATimes.
BTW - What do you think of the full page ad in the LAT today with 84 Hollywood Heavyweights condeming - would you believe it - not Israel, but Hezbollah and Hamas for the unrest in that part of the ME. Wow.
But for you - you may as well have quoted the braintrust of the DemoNcratic Party - none other than Howlin' Howie Dean. You know what he says:
AAAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Posted by: Specter at August 16, 2006 09:26 PM (ybfXM)
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Given that a "Confederate Yankee" back in the day was known as a "Copperhead" and considered a traitor...
Actually, "copperheads" were cowardly northern Democratic appeasers during the Civil War which constantly called the Republican president a "tyrant" and claimed that he was destroying America and American values. They tried to convince American troops to desert, were generally treasonous, and we're largely viewed as useful idiots by their enemies.
Does that sound familar? It should. Then, as now, the synonym for a copperhead is a "Peace Democrat."
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at August 17, 2006 12:17 AM (BTdrY)
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CY, this is a great post you have written here, though I feel I have to eluminate a few things.
I'm an IDF first sergeant and recently returned from Lebanon. And the way things are develping I might return there sooner then I've hoped.
Hizb'Allah casualties. The numbers you have presented are quite close to accurate, but they don't show the whole picture. It's not classified, but I dought you'll ever see these figures in the MSM. According to our statistics we (the IDF) have scored OVER 600 CONFIRMED enemy kills (photgrphed, documented, claimed and added to the killboard, I personally scored 2 kills to add to my record) and another 800-1200 unconfirmed/unclaimed kills (this estimation includes kills form airstrikes/artillary shelling). The Hizb'Allah losses aren't counted, on the most part, against the official number of Lebanease casualties. Hizb'Allah admits to loosing only 58 of it's own men and 21 more from their ally - the Amal terrorist organisation.
How much troops Hizb'Allah has really lost we'll probably never know since they're quite unlickly to release this information.
Hizb'Allah also lost a lot of weapons and equipment, and quite large amounts of equipment were captured by us.
But the operation wasn't deemed as successful since we didn't get our boys back. Also we (the soldiers) feel that some high ranking officers in the Northern Command had little idea what they where doing. Our political leadership could've should've done more - like sending us in early on/buying us more time to finish the job.
At any rate, Olmert chose to succumb to the will of Kofi Anan and his Useless Nations with their Hizb'Allah backed Associated Propaganda and al-Reuters spitting lies all over the world about disproportionate response and us indiscriminately
killing civilians.
But this isn't over by any means, this "cease fire" is just a temporary respite before all hell will break loose once again. And then we'll finish what we've started.
Regards, F. Sgt. Alex
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"I'm Going to Die, Aren't I?"
Almost five years after the collapse of the World Trade Center towers in lower Manhattan, the release of 1,613 emergency calls made under that bright blue September sky are like ripping scars:
"Listen to me, ma'am," that operator told a panicky Melissa Doi during a 20-minute phone call. "You're not dying. You're in a bad situation, ma'am."
A portion of Doi's end of the conversation was played for jurors in April at the trial of Sept. 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui.
"I'm going to die, aren't I?" Doi asked the dispatcher.
"Ma'am, just stay calm for me, OK?" the dispatcher said. The conversation ended with the operator trying vainly to speak with Doi, a financial manager for IQ Financial Systems: "Not dead, not dead," the operator said to no response. "They sound like deep sleep."
The phone line cut out. Doi never made it out of the World Trade Center.
"Oh, my lord," said the operator, whose words to Doi were previously not made public.
At
Hot Air, AllahPundit
managed to listen to about 90 seconds of
Doi's 24-minute call before he had enough.
I admire him for getting as far as he did.
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5 years and STILL no capture of OSAMA BIN LADEN. How will these families EVER have closure if he is never brought back to New York for trial and execution?
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 16, 2006 06:25 PM (ZJubN)
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How long did it take to find Eric Rudolph? How long did it take to find the Unabomber? They were in the US... Finding Osama is a bit more difficult. Back to the topic - I don't know how anyone could listen to more than a few seconds of those tapes. I heard bits on the news, and that was enough.
Posted by: Baldy at August 16, 2006 07:40 PM (vFS/o)
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Those 911 operators are some of the true unsung heroes of that day... talking with those people through the last moments of their lives... God bless them. I'm sure many of them needed counseling afterward. I know I would have.
Listening to even the briefest of tidbits of these 911 calls has served to rekindle some of the hotness of my anger and resolve against the Islamofascists who did this to us.
Posted by: GradualDazzle at August 16, 2006 08:51 PM (yIU8a)
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Yeah, I guess you're right, we'll just have to wait until he sends his manifesto to the Washington Post, or we catch him dumpster diving.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 16, 2006 10:35 PM (aQWns)
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My God, what kind of subhuman would see the comments on THIS post as nothing more than an opportunity to spew puerile anti-Bush talking points?
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Reality Check
While the war between Hezbollah and Israel seems to be on an increasingly temporary hiatus, the public relations battle over who actually came out ahead in this latest Arab-Israeli conflict seems to depends on whether or not you give military successes or temporary political successes more weight.
Leftist poster boy in favor of Islamic oppression,
Robert Fisk:
The truth is Israel opened its attack on Lebanon by claiming the Lebanese government was responsible for Hizbollah's attack - which it clearly was not - and that its military actions would achieve the liberation of the captured soldiers.
This, the Israelis have signally failed to do. The loss of 40 soldiers in just 36 hours and the successful Hizbollah attacks against Israeli armour in Lebanon were a disaster for the Israeli army.
The fact that Syria could bellow about the "achievements" of Hizbollah while avoiding the destruction of a blade of grass inside Syria suggests a cynicism that has yet to be grasped inside the Arab world. But for now, Syria has won.
Was Lebanon's government—the same government which
refuses to disarm Hezbollah—aware of Hezbollah's plan to kidnap Israeli soldiers?
Fisk says they weren't complicit.
Hasan Narallah, leader of Hezbollah,
indicates otherwise (my bold):
I told them on more than one occasion that we are serious about the prisoners issue and that this can only solved through the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers. Of course, I used to make hints in that respect. Of course I would not be expected to tell them on the table I was going to kidnap Israeli soldiers in July. That could not be.
[Bin-Jiddu (Al-Jazeera)] You told them that you would kidnap Israeli soldiers?
[Nasrallah] I used to tell them that the prisoners' issue, which we must solve, can only be solved through the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers.
[Bin-Jiddu (Al-Jazeera)] Clearly?
[Nasrallah] Clearly. Nobody told me: no, you are not allowed to kidnap Israeli soldiers. I was not waiting for such a thing. Even if they told me no you are not allowed [nothing would change]. I am not being defensive. I said that we would kidnap Israeli soldiers in meetings with some of the key political leaders in the country.
To call Robert Fisk a liar would be redundant.
Is the loss of 40 soldiers in 1 1/2 days a "disaster" as Fisk states? To the family members of the soldiers it undoubtedly is, but otherwise, the lost of 40 men in a close quarters ground assault against the entrenched positions is hardly a disaster, even if the overall outcome of the battle was not the total destruction of Hezbollah in South Lebanon. "We won because we didn't all die" is hardly the most convincing victory speech for Hezbollah and their Syrian and Iranian patrons, not matter how the politics of the situation are spun.
Of course, that is just the political angle played up by Hezbollah's supporters.
Let's look at another view, based on
the facts:
Hizbollah suffered a defeat. Their rocket attacks on Israel, while appearing spectacular (nearly 4,000 rockets launched), were unimpressive (39 Israelis killed, half of them Arabs). On the ground, Hizbollah lost nearly 600 of its own personnel, and billions of dollars worth of assets and weapons. Israeli losses were far less.
While Hizbollah can declare this a victory, because it fought Israel without being destroyed, this is no more a victory than that of any other Arab force that has faced Israeli troops and failed. Arabs have been trying to destroy Israel for over half a century, and Hizbollah is the latest to fail. But Hizbollah did more than fail, it scared most Moslems in the Middle East, because it demonstrated the power and violence of the Shia Arab minority. Sunni Arabs, and most Arabs are Sunnis, are very much afraid of Shia Moslems, mainly because most Iranians are Shia, not Arab, and intent on dominating the region, like Iran has done so many times in the past. Hizbollah's recent outburst made it clear that Iran, which subsidizes and arms Hizbollah, has armed power that reaches the Mediterranean. This scares Sunni Arabs because a Shia minority also continues to rule Syria (where most of the people are Sunni). The Shia majority in Iraq, which have not dominated Iraq for over three centuries, is now back in control.
Hizbollah did enjoy a victory in its recent war, but it was over Sunni Arabs, not Israel.
Two different reactions, one based in leftist cant sympathetic to terrorists, and another based on the actual physical damage and the political resonance felt throughout the region. At the end of the day, I think the Israelis came out far better in their "defeat" than did Hezbollah's military wing in their corpse-riddled "victory."
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Islam's Eternal War Against Israel and the Jews
Recent events in the Middle East have caused old questions to resurface. Why the Arab obsession with Israel and the Jews? Why the blinding hatred and calls for genocide and slaughter? Even "moderate" Islamic states have become much more hostile in the past week. Turkey, a nation which has enjoyed a close relationship with Israel over the years has turned violently anti- Jewish. The Turkish army has paid Israeli military contractors tens of millions of dollars to refurbish their tank corps. The Turkish Coast is a popular vacation spot for Israelis. But still, cries for Jihad resound.
To believe the answer is about land or occupation is to be simplistic. Recent events prove land has nothing to do with it (see Gaza and Lebanon withdrawals). The answer begins with a historical event that took place approximately 3,700 years ago, the birth of Abraham's two sons Isaac and Ishmael. God promised Abraham that amongst other things he would be the father of great nations. However there was one blessing that was to be passed on to one son only; the blessing of being the chosen people who would receive the land of Israel. The Judeo-Christian belief is that Isaac, one of the Jewish Patriarchs, was the chosen one. Ishmael was banished to the desert. Islam has distorted this through centuries of propaganda. Until Mohammad crawled out from under a rock in the desert about 2,500 years later, the Arabs were nothing more than nomadic pagans (exactly the opposite of Abraham's greatest legacy, monotheism). The Jews went on to settle in Israel for the next 1,600 years.
The Islamic conquest of the Middle East, North Africa and Spain raised the spirits of the desert killers. The Jews, like the Christians were treated better than the pagans, but were still discriminated against. The Jews were to be kept in check. No need to kill them. As long as Israel as a state did not exist, there was no proof that God's promise to Abraham was to be realized through Isaac.
In 1948, the modern State of Israel was born. Arab armies came from as far as Yemen and Iraq to destroy the Jewish State. The Jews who has lived in Arab countries for centuries no longer felt safe and fled for the lives. (Ironic we only hear about Palestinian refugees.) Why the sudden changes from mild tolerance to a blood thirsty cry of "slaughter the Jews"? Simple, the Jews were back in Israel. Isaac was the chosen one, and Ishmael's descendents are banished to the desert. Israel's being destroys the false Arab dreams of being the "chosen one". Why the Arab infatuation with Jerusalem when it is not even mentioned once in the Koran? Why are the mosques in Jerusalem built specifically on the Temple Mount? Because everything that is Jewish that is connected to the land must be "Islamisized".
Now that the Jews have returned, keeping them "in check" like in the middle ages is not enough. They must be destroyed, because the fact that they are alive and well in Israel is living proof that the Arab nation is not the chosen one. Don’t believe anyone who tries to sell you a story about occupation.
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Israel's supporters will [mostly] say Israel won, its acknowledged enemies will say Hezbollah won, and from all sides - including the US - come the words "disproportionate response" as if the whole thing was only about the two kidnapped soldiers.
It is too early to tell. Unfortunately, Israeli governments have a terrible record of PR - they should hire a big firm to help. And it is PR that keeps the money flowing to Hamas and Hezbollah and all their ilk.
And the compromise/UNresolution is already dead. The Lebanese government has said it will not seek to disarm Hezbollah, UN resolutions or no UN: Kofi has said Israel must pull out now, even though he also says the proposed UN force will not be deployed for about a year (if at all) and will not seek to disarm Hezbollah anyway, and will probably be under the usual "fire only if fired upon" orders that allow non-UN-staff people to be shot down yards away: Secretary Rice seems to be saying the same as Kofi: Syria is rattling its tiny sword about the Golan Heights again.
Meanwhile, we almost daily have interviews with Muslim "victims" and none with Israeli ones (discounting politicians and published authors).
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Democratic Ad Equates Illegals with Terrorists
Nuance:
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Democratic political ad is under fire from Hispanics who say it unfairly compares Latino immigrants to terrorists.
The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee sponsored a 35-second ad on its Web site that shows footage of two people scaling a border fence mixed with images of Osama Bin Laden and North Korea President Kim Jong Il.
Pedro Celis, chairman of the Republican National Hispanic Assembly, said in a statement Tuesday that the DSCC should remove the ad because it vilifies illegal Hispanic immigrants and is "appalling."
Houston City Councilwoman Carol Alvarado, a Democrat, sent a letter to DSCC Chairman Sen. Charles Schumer of New York asking that the ad be pulled. She said it could alienate Latino voters.
"To liken Latino immigrants to bazooka-toting terrorists not only undermines the positive relationship our party has with this community, but also lowers us to a despicable level as breeders of unfounded fear and hatred," Alvarado wrote.
The ad opens with the words "Security Under Bush and GOP?" It features scenes of a masked man with a bazooka, scenes from terrorist attacks and police inspecting a subway train. It also shows Osama bin Laden, Iran President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and a docked ship as it claims "4 times as many terrorist attacks in 2005."
Then comes footage of a person climbing over a corrugated metal border fence and another preparing to climb it as the words "millions more illegal immigrants" form on-screen. In the following scene, viewers see the words "North Korea has quadrupled its nuclear arsenal" with footage of a tank and North Korea President Kim Jong Il.
The ad ends with the words, "Feel safer? Vote for change."
Terrorism and illegal immigration are two hot-button issues facing America right now, but the Democrats seem unwilling or unable to realize that while there is some concern that our lackadaisical border security may enable terrorists to cross the border,
illegal aliens are not terrorists. While they are an economic and social concern, illegal aliens are not actively engaged in trying to destroy America and take America lives.
That Democrats seem to view these two issues on an equal plane betrays the fact that the reality-challenged Party doesn't hold Islamic terrorists as any more of a threat to American lives than does an illegal alien's attempt to find a better life by the wrong means. With increasingly rare exceptions, Democrats are
still a party incapable of admitting and coping with the very real threats of Islamic terrorism facing the Western world.
Does an entire political party unable and unwilling to address your safety with a single concrete plan to address terrorism in the five years since September 11 make
you feel safer?
Me neither.
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Great post CY.
It seems pretty dumb of the DemoNcrats to try to play an ad like this. For so long they have pretended to be the "party" of the minorities, but they always choose the race-baiting way of politics. You know - Repubs vs. minorities, Repubs vs. low income. They claim to be the party that will unify the country, but their platforms cause divisiveness.
To claim - or even insinuate - that illegal aliens are terrorists is ludicrous. The legal and illegal aliens come here for a purpose - not to destroy America, but to take advantage of the opportunities offered. Like it or not, they are now bound up in our econonomic system. Some think that is bad, others good. We need better border control to make sure that we can handle the influx of opportunity seekers and to keep terrorists out. We do not need isolationism, race-baiting, and the prejudicial rantings supported by DemoNcrats.
Posted by: Specter at August 16, 2006 02:35 PM (ybfXM)
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CY,
I'm a regular reader of this blog and generally agree with you on most/all issues. But i disagree with arguments blasting the Dems for this ad. Granted I haven't seen it so I don't have a lot to back me up, but it seems to me that the ad was SIMPLY making the point that our poor security on the border, made apparent by the numbe of illegal immigrants, is a pressing issue of national security (which is a very good point, and one that conservatives including yourself have made often). If I were the dems, I would have tried to make the same argument.
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Watching Zohra
Yesterday I quipped that I found Gatorade's new energy Drink "self-Propel," after discovering a series of three pictures by Reuters photographer Zohra Bensemra. In those photos, a mysteriously mobile bottle of water appears and disappears beside an elderly injured woman that Bensemra said was waiting to be rescued, and was made to appear utterly alone.
The moving bottle and other suspicious elements in the photos lead me to believe that this series of photos, like so many already discovered coming from Arab Muslim stringers in Lebanon, were quite likely staged.
The curious composition of Bensemra's photos continued today, as this one was, err, unearthed in
Yahoo's Photostream:
I have no doubt at all that Lebanese Red Cross members are unearthing bodies from the rubble of Israeli air strikes, and will continue to do so for days weeks, and even months to come. But the damaged structure in question would seems to offer a very narrow opening, and with two rescuers already inside the cramped space (you can see the reflective stripes on the sleeve of another rescuer further in), it would seem strange to bag a body in the narrow confines of unstable rubble, when it would be both safer and easier for the rescuers to do so in the open.
Of course that is making the assumption that this is indeed a cramped space.
Another photo, which I have enlarged and then cropped to show the relevant area, indicates that the external area of the structure in question is only several yards wide, and no more than a couple of yards high. Note the expansive open area in the left side of the frame, and edge of the structure over the shoulder of the second man from the right. This structure these men were emerging from is far too narrow to be a residential building. It seems doubtful that a normal residential dwelling would have such a narrow profile, a concrete roof, walls a foot or more thick, or space for two or more live adults to body bag the undefined deceased inside, before bringing him out.
Victim, or target? House, or bunker? Perhaps the Israelis were able to kill someone other than old women and children after all.
I cannot prove that Zohra Bensemra is complicit in staging photos in Lebanon, but at the very least I can feel comfortable of accusing Bensemra of writing misleading captions that alter the context of how the picture is viewed. A caption reading "Lebanese Red Cross personnel remove the body of a person who died during an Israeli air raid during the conflict between Israel and Lebanon's Hizbollah, at Tayba in south Lebanon August 15, 2006" may be entirely accurate, but a caption reading "The body of a Hezbollah fighter is removed from a bunker near Tayba" would tell quite a different story, if that is indeed what happened.
Is Reuters photographer Zohra Bensemra a journalist, or propagandist? I'll leave that for you to decide, Myself, I tend to judge people by
the company they choose to keep.
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Linked at Old War Dogs >> Yet More Fauxtography
Posted by: Bill Faith at August 15, 2006 03:52 PM (n7SaI)
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It seems like they are using the tarps to pull the bodies out of a small passageway.
What is the conspiracy here? That on the other side of the hole is a ballroom and underground waterpark, where the rescue workers have ample room to wrap the bodies before sliding them out of the hole, but not before they enjoy a 12 course meal?
I mean, get a life. These men, for whatever reason, are hauling bodies out of rubble. I'm certain that there are plenty of bombed out places filled with corpses in Lebanon. You should be happy that they aren't showing pictures of burned, mutilated children without faces or flies feeding on dead senior citizens.
At least these photos are reasonably mild. I'm sure if there was a vast-left-wing conspiracy to produce doctored photos, there would be pictures of a burning doll or a child with a missing foot or something at least half as moving as a "feed the orphans" advertisement.
Posted by: Grizzly at August 15, 2006 06:23 PM (DwFzZ)
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"It seems doubtful that a normal residential dwelling would have such a narrow profile, a concrete roof, walls a foot or more thick, or space for two or more live adults to body bag the undefined deceased inside, before bringing him out."
Narrow house, concrete roof! Icky! They deserve to be crushed under the rubble. Poor people are so tacky! Barf!
Now if it were one of those maaaarvelous little bungalows that they have in the Hollywood Hills, with a Mini Cooper in the driveway, that would be another story. (Especially if he had nice abs! Meow!)
Posted by: Grizzly at August 15, 2006 06:32 PM (DwFzZ)
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Looks like a mast and an antenna on the left of the picture stretching toward the right. There's a wire dangling from the antenna. Is this for TV or is this some sort of shortwave rig?
Posted by: Jim at August 15, 2006 07:04 PM (kbeKY)
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Good thing nobody gets killed in wars. These are all photo ops done on a sound stsge in Burbank. Camera tricks. Maybe all you pro war activists will enlist, now that we all know nobody gets hurt in war. Neat uniforms, real laser tag guns that shoot real lasers that ring a bell when you hit your TARGET. Full coverage with dental and they even pay you. No real dead bodies to stink up the neighborhood, just camera tricks.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 15, 2006 08:02 PM (L4LKA)
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In the top photo, the man is pointing. If you draw a straight line to the spot where he is pointing, you are directed to the vertex of a right angle. The slightly wavy wire forms the hypoteneuse of a right triangle. The message here is clear. While most look at the cave and the body coming out of it, the photographer says that we should be looking at the right triangle, a symbol of the gnostic cult of Pythagoras. In this context, then the image of the dead body being removed from the tomb by men wearing crosses, the photographer seems to be suggesting that the Resurrection was a hoax.
As an added affront to Christians, the men with crosses are wearing orange life jackets. Orange is widely known to be the color of the "Hermes" corporation of France, which takes its name from the pagan god who is most closely associated with the hermetic (pagan/gnostic) tradition. The lifevests themeselves are a reference to the Bible story in which Jesus walks on water. Notice the men who bear crosses do not leave their fate up to Christ, rather, they wear life vests.
Zohra obviously has an axe to grind with these photos. Clearly these photos are encoded with gnostic imagery. If you read the larger picture, my guess is that Zohra would scoff at the idea that this war is part of a larger plan and that he is subconsciously trying to program children to believe in his gnostic wordlview.
I suppose we'll see who gets Left Behind. When he's out there fiddling with dead terrorists to make his little point, we'll be up in heaven hawkin' burning angel loogies on his heathen ass.
Posted by: Grizzly at August 15, 2006 08:48 PM (DwFzZ)
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Grizzly, are you daft? Most likely, you're not, you just don't know stuff about concrete and steel and construction. Fortunately for you I'm not a computer geek, I'm kind of a construction geek. I have a red plaid flannel shirt to prove it, so sit back and Learn.
Low, wide opening, concrete slab roof, BRUSH ON TOP- that's a bunker, not a home! Did it sink home that the concrete roof did not break up even when the walls did? You think a peasant chooses building materials like that?
Poor people do not build homes that are only 8 feet wide, rise 3 feet off the ground, have high strength concrete slab roofs, and camoflauge. They have corrugated metal roofs, or tile roofs, or mud roofs that wouldn't look at all like that.
Check out the wall- see the way the blocks on the right have shifted, but remain in place? See the broken ones? No cavities, right? Those are not the simple hollow concrete masonry units most people would use (yes, even there) nor are they merely grouted solid. Nor are they bricks- any of those are much cheaper options- yes they have bricks in the middle east, they frikkin invented them there. So why these big solid pre-cast concrete? Why would a peasant build with that kind of weight? And time, and money. And it's NOT easy- those puppies weigh in at 145 LB per cubic foot. And they are NOT cast in place, or we wouldn't see blocks, we'd see irregular pieces.
And they are concrete, not stone, because the construction stone in that part of the world is in the tan-gold-beige range. If those are stone, our peasant is using imported limestone!
How do we know it wasn't taller? Because A) the vegetation overgrowing it, unless you think in Lebanon shrubs grow a few feet between a bombing and a casualty removal, B) if it was tall, the slab would have broken in the fall, and C) unless you think Lebanese peasants use cantilevered construction, that heavy roof slab would be wall-supported, and there just isn't enough wall debris to have been a taller stucture. Try to mentally reconstruct it.
And you can clearly see that the rubble does not continue to the right or left of that
You will never find a picture of a home in Lebanon with construction consistent with the rubble you see in that pic. Go try. Knock yourself out.
And just to show that I'm a fair minded guy, the dust free blanket and pillows in the second photo set mean nothing. Who's to say a neighbor didn't bring them over? I can show you pictures from the day after 9-11, with spotless T shirts in sight, and 4 days after, absolutely clean brand new spit and polished Volvo trucks. (Volvo America donated them on Sept 13, pulling 3 right out of the showroom)
Ben
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In the original photo at Yahoo I do believe I see some rebar.
One heck of a peasant dwelling, there.
Ben
Posted by: Ben at August 15, 2006 09:30 PM (04cQ2)
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Wow. Since the last time I've read your blog you seem to have accumulated some lefty trolls
Posted by: Chase Bradstreet at August 15, 2006 11:57 PM (yKnNx)
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I thought it looked like a wall that had fallen over sideways, actually. I've been to other third world countries and you see all kinds of garbage arranged in ways that don't make sense. But to be fair, the Yahoo story says nothing about it being a body from a house. It's possible that it was a bunker or bomb shelter or some other structure. I don't see why this should distract us from the gnostic imagery.
Posted by: Grizzly at August 16, 2006 12:05 AM (DwFzZ)
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The bottom photo is totally fake. Look at how big the guy with the green helmet is. Look at how small the bulldozer is. I think the bulldozer is really a Tonka with some G.I. Joes on it.
Plus, he is wearing a Cal Trans vest over his army clothes, which means he probably got a DUI. You can't trust drunk dopehead Vietnam vets who still wear their fatigues around even though they got discharged for going AWOL. Proof of a fake.
Posted by: Grizzly at August 16, 2006 01:16 PM (DwFzZ)
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Plus, all those "arabs" look like illegals, to me. Either they have the same anchor baby infestation we've got here, or this is just a Hurricane Katrina photo. How much more proof do you need! The war in Lebanon is a hoax, but don't expect to hear that in the New York Times.
Posted by: Grizzly at August 16, 2006 01:20 PM (DwFzZ)
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I revise my earlier estimate, Grizzley, You are Daft! Much fun to read. Tonka truck. Hee.
BTW, Re: Katrina. Some of those photos got a bit loopy too. Ever ask why we heard over and over again, they were trapped because they were too poor to own cars, and in photo after photo, you see drowned, submerged cars? Why is it no one's willing to admit that in any American city, there will be stubborn people who in the face of any disaster will say "I ain't leavin and you ain't gonna make me."? But hey, that's really off topic, and don't ask these things, they can get you in trouble.
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Complicity and Consequences
I'm currently in a quandary, trying to determine whether the United Nations cease-fire or Lebanon's implementation of it is more of a joke.
Hizbullah will not hand over its weapons to the Lebanese government but rather refrain from exhibiting them publicly, according to a new compromise that is reportedly brewing between Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Seniora and Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah.
The UN cease-fire resolution specifically demands the demilitarization of the area south of the Litani river. The resolution was approved by the Lebanese cabinet.
In a televised address on Monday night, Nasrallah declared that now was not the time to debate the disarmament of his guerrilla fighters, saying the issue should be done in secret sessions of the government to avoid serving Israeli interests.
"This is immoral, incorrect and inappropriate," he said. "It is wrong timing on the psychological and moral level particularly before the cease-fire," he said in reference to calls from critics for the guerrillas to disarm.
According to Lebanon's defense minister, Elias Murr, "There will be no other weapons or military presence other than the army" after Lebanese troops move south of the Litani. However, he then contradicted himself by saying the army would not ask Hizbullah to hand over its weapons.
If these reports are true, and Lebanon allows Hezbollah to retain their weaponry, they are not only in breach of the cease-fire resolution, they are choosing to side with Hezbollah. Israel should now consider Prime Minister Fuad Seniora's government as an enemy regime.
At some point in the future, maybe only hours or perhaps as long as years from now, Hezbollah with take aggressive actions against Israel that will necessitate another Israeli campaign. The next campaign must not be one of a tentative nature, but one of decisiveness.
Israel must break Hezbollah.
As an "pajama general" half a world away, with no military experience, I must turn to the history books for a solution to Israel's "Hezbollah problem," and a decisive battle in the "Forgotten War" of Korea offers a possible winning strategy.
On June 25, 1950, 135,000 North Korean troops swarmed into South Korea. Within three days they had captured South Koreas capital of Seoul. The U.S. Eighth Army came to South Korea's aid, but even then, they were driven into a small pocket called the Pusan Perimeter before the combined forces were able to establish and hold a defensive line. It was a desperate land stand against the North, and the Korean Peninsula seemed that it might fall completely into communist hands.
That changed on September 15, 1950, when General Douglas MacArthur executed a brilliant "left hook," landing 70,000 men at
Inchon, well behind the front, cutting North Korean supply lines. Seoul was liberated ten days later. Half of the 70,000 North Korean troops on the Pusan Perimeter were killed or captured, and the remaining 30,000 were forced to retreat out of South Korea.
Israel may have the capability too consider a similar battle plan in a future war with Hezbollah in Lebanon. While Israel lacks the amphibious forces and manpower of MacArthur, it does have enough helicopter transport capability to perform deep insertions of elite infantry and light artillery units well into Lebanon. By airmobile insertion of these forces along transportation routes from Syria to the west and placing a blocking force to the north and west of Beirut, Israel could cut off Hezbollah from it's Syrian and Iranian suppliers far more effectively than air strikes alone did in the last campaign. It would also open up a multi-front war, keeping Hezbollah off-balance and unable to concentrate firepower in any one direction.
While these airmobile forces are inserted, Israeli strike aircraft could take out cell phone towers, central telephone exchanges, and other command-and-control targets, rendering Hezbollah largely blind and isolated except for short-range communications. At the same time, Israeli reservists and heavy armored units would bypass and cut off Hezbollah strongholds in the south, which could then be targeted and destroyed one-by-one.
This is the campaign Israel should have waged, and perhaps one they may yet fight. It is important to recognize that such a campaign might trigger a conflict with not only with Hezbollah, but the Lebanese Army as well. The conflict would not doubt result in hundreds of Lebanese civilian deaths, perhaps as many or more than this last month-long campaign. The responsibility of these deaths will not only belong to Hassan Nasrallah and Hezbollah, but with Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Seniora and the elected Lebanese government as well. A government that sides with terrorists, becomes terrorists, and Israel should now regard Lebanon as a state-sponsor of terrorism.
Fuad Seniora has signed a deal with the devil, and however and whenever the next war between Israel and Hezbollah is waged, he will bear the blame for the deaths of hundreds or thousands of Lebanese, as assuredly as if he had pulled the trigger himself.
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Cutting off the lines of logistics and communications is a necessity in weakening Hezbollah, but when it comes down to the street fights, Hezbollah has the distinct advantage of blending into the civilian population. North Korean troops wore uniforms. They were distinguishable as enemy soldiers. Hezbollah does not/is not. It will not be an easy task to take out Hezbollah fighters. It is a task, nonetheless, that must be accomplished to provide security to the region.
Posted by: Old Soldier at August 15, 2006 12:16 PM (X2tAw)
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two points
I think israel went into this cease fire knowing it would fail because hizbollah will fire more rockets, give it a week at most. They are buying time.
So why do they need time? Because they are using armor in a tactically idiotic way. Tanks are for smashing, not taking a town brick by brick. I think they are looking for a way to defeat the AT weapons before they go back in (read that as ask the US how to do it) and are designing a blitzkrieg offensive for when the hizbo s start the war again. At least I hope.
Posted by: Ray Robison at August 15, 2006 01:39 PM (CdK5b)
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Posted by: Bill Faith at August 15, 2006 07:24 PM (n7SaI)
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It's always a joke when someone STOPS burning down your neighborhood and no longer is killing your family, friends, and neighbors.
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August 14, 2006
The Show Must Go On
According to Reuters photographer Zohra Bensemra, an elderly injured woman lies injured in the ruins of her house, awaiting rescue as Bensemra snaps these pictures.
Let's for a moment try to look past the staging elements that we've become accustomed to searching for over the past weeks.
Ignore for a moment the fact that a wounded elderly woman in a bombed out building is unlikely to be in the kind of physical condition needed to drag several pristine sofa pillows through the rubble and make a bed out of them. Look past the fact that she, in her weakened condition, has found a nearly spotless black blanket in the fine gray dust of a bombed out building to cover her legs against the 80 degree cold. Ignore the conveniently-placed bottled water she somehow found intact and had
for the middle photo only.
Look past all this, and the total absence of any readily identifiable injury, to momentarily take Zohra Bensemra's word at face value that this is an injured, elderly woman lying in the rubble, that he seems to have stumbled across before help has arrived.
Now place yourself in Zohra Bensemra's shoes.
If you came across someone lying injured in the rubble, would you cry for assistance, seek to comfort her, or stop to determine which camera angle best captures this scene?
Would you come forward quickly and see how badly she is injured and try to render assistance, or would you compose an increasingly intimate montage of photos?
Reuters, no doubt, will offer the excuse that the photographer has the duty to capture the story, not to become part of it.
I'd like to ask Reuters when a photo-op becomes more important than basic humanity, but I'm afraid they'd be all too ready and willing with an answer.
Update: After thinking about it for a few minutes, I decided one element of these photos deserves more attention, so I updated the second photo to highlight the interesting detail.
According to the
photographer's caption:
An injured Lebanese woman lies in her damaged house as she waits to be rescued during the first day of ceasefire, at Bint Jbail, east of the port city of Tyre (Soure) August 14, 2006. REUTERS/Zohra Bensemra (LEBANON)
If she "waits to be rescued" alone, who, then, is moving the bottled water in the second photo out of frame in the first and third pictures? Is it Gatorade's new fitness drink, "self-
Propel?"
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Is this person alive? Rigor mortis?
Why do we bother looking?
Posted by: dc at August 14, 2006 02:22 PM (IzUdI)
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Posted by: Bill Faith at August 14, 2006 03:17 PM (n7SaI)
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Didn't she know she was being photographed? Couldn't she have fixed up a little and sweep the floor? What a pig.
Posted by: UncleZeb at August 14, 2006 03:47 PM (CUo3X)
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self-propel..... good one.
Posted by: adamboysmom at August 14, 2006 05:14 PM (tJcGx)
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The picture with the water bottle looks very strange. A little enlargement shows the bottle somehow suspended in mid-air with no apparent support from the woman's hand. You can quite clearly see all her fingers through the clear plastic and none are clutching the bottle. I'd say that it's been Photoshopped by the photographer but there's nothing to be gained by doing that. Maybe it's just perspective
Posted by: Wes at August 14, 2006 09:33 PM (IY0vC)
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The picture with the water bottle looks very strange. A little enlargement shows the bottle somehow suspended in mid-air with no apparent support from the woman's hand.
I noticed the same thing. Nothing conclusive, but certainly looks odd.
Now for a photoshop that is really obvious, but needs to get more play, check out this post
http://www.rightwinged.com/2006/08/ny_times_busted_photoshopping.html
I'm obsessed and won't rest until someone at the NY Times is fired.
Posted by: RightWinged at August 14, 2006 10:45 PM (cZfGb)
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It's clear she was gesturing with her arms in an attempt to get the photographer to help her.
As far as we know, he took pictures and left.
(Sure doesn't look like she's faking to me.)
Posted by: Chris at August 15, 2006 12:30 PM (58SoC)
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I dont doubt that this woman may be in need of some assistance but the question I ask is "Is the assistance she needs already there and just waiting for the pictures to be taken?" Since as so many have pointed out the waterbottle mysteriously disappears in the first and third photos.
Posted by: 81 at August 15, 2006 12:53 PM (JSetw)
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I'm glad that there are intelligent people out there that ask questions first before blindly believing a terrorist group. Israel does not target civilians and when was the last time you heard about a an Israeli suicide bomber or I.D.F. hiding in amoungst civilians. People of the world better wise up before more bad things happen because of terror groups deliberately using women children as shields. Does any one wonder why so many civilians die in lebonan.....possibly because the men are out putting off rockets near the building and it is then painted for a target.And don't forget as a result of 2 soldiers being kidnapped the whole north part of our country now lives in bomb shelters. Over 2000 rockets have landed in Israel and i think we have been extremely patient
Posted by: Liz at August 15, 2006 05:20 PM (6uiE9)
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I agree with Wes. The water bottle looks shopped. Very strange.
Posted by: lady redhawk at August 15, 2006 05:25 PM (gZTX3)
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Just like Passion of the Toys, the square throw pillow in the bottom photo is dust free, no mudstains, etc. Strange that it would be lying ever so peacefully like that in a "bombed out" house.
Posted by: TBOB at August 15, 2006 06:19 PM (ukBP3)
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But why would Evian photoshop their product into this picture?
Or did Dasani do it? As if to say, "Evian is the water for dead old ladies."
This could be huge. Did you call the government? But they might be in on it!
Or...someobody picked up the water and drank it. Maybe they were refilling it for her. Or, she knocked it over on accident.
But, whatever the case, I'm with you, I would never, NEVER take the time to put pillows under a dying woman. Or give here a sip of water. That's just providing comfort to the enemy. And, if you look closely, notice that her left hand has moved during the series, at least enough to stick a knife in you.
Posted by: Grizzly at August 15, 2006 06:41 PM (DwFzZ)
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Do you think she's an actor? Maybe it is Sean Penn in disguise? Or maybe a cockroach person? Whoever she is, she certainly is unworthy of pity, otherwise why would they have taken her out.
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Perhaps not too surprisingly, Grizzly didn't bother to engage his brain before leaving his comments.
Let's see if we can guide him to the relevant part of the picture caption shall we?
An injured Lebanese woman lies in her damaged house as she waits to be rescued during the first day of ceasefire, at Bint Jbail, east of the port city of Tyre (Soure) August 14, 2006. REUTERS/Zohra Bensemra (LEBANON)
An injured woman waits to be rescued, and yet, the too-weak-to-move woman:
she is laying on sofa cushions, from furniture that does not appear to come from that roomis laying on a mattress pad covered by a clean blankethas her lower legs covered by a blanket has a bottle of water that appears and disappears by magic.
The obvious fact illustrated by these photos is that this woman was not waiting to be rescued. She was taken care of if ever injured at all, and thus the story presented in these photos is a lie.
Perhaps that is a concept loss on the simple.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at August 15, 2006 11:39 PM (BTdrY)
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I was thinking about it. And you are right.
I know that if my grandma's house got blown up, I'd heave her onto some cushions (and not the clean ones!), toss a blanket on her, and then leave her to fend for herself.
One thing I know is that old folks will always take advantage of any kindness you show them. That's why I support ending social security. We should just dump them on an island somewhere with a bunch of guns, let them learn what it means to be free.
Rescued? Lazy ingrate has already been rescued! Can't you see the water that she had? What a fake photo!!!!
Posted by: Grizzly at August 16, 2006 10:27 AM (DwFzZ)
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Thank you, Grizzly, for illustrating the point at hand. You wouldn't treat your grandmother that way? Neither would I.
That's the point. The people we are fighting are not us, and not like us. They don't think like us. Most importantly, they don't value life like us.
Well done.
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Sockpuppet: Voice of FREEDOM!!!
Safely hidden in his hidden Brazillian jungle fortress, sockpuppet sallies forth to warn us of the evils of the BushCo Mind Control Agenda:
The Bush administration has adopted an array of tactics to control the news, from threatening journalists with criminal prosecution to paying pundits and manufacturing and distributing propaganda videos disguised as taped news segments. One such tactic, used with increasing frequency and obviousness, is that when Bush officials need to do an interview in order to address some brewing crisis, they will sit with only the most sycophantic and Bush-loving "journalists" who will shower them with praise and adoration in lieu of scrutiny and real questions.
Sockpuppet's biggest gripe seems to be that al-Reuters, al-Jazeera, and al-Franken aren't the primary means of distributing information to the world at large. By his estimation, Sean Hannity, Brit Hume and Pamela of the blog "Atlas Shrugs" are the Administration's primary media outlets to the world.
And you know what? He's
right.
Sockpuppet cites ironclad evidence showing that Hume was granted an interview with President Bush in
September, 2003 and
just three years later an interview with Vice President Cheney in
February of 2006. Such single-source media domination should not be stood for in a free society.
The blatant right wing domination of the news reared its head again on
August 12 as Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice dared to be interviewed by Sean Hannity, only to be followed by Pamela's
hour-long interview of Ambassador John Bolten, when he obviously should have been appearing on
The View or
Al-Manar instead.
These developments have been a huge point of concern for White House Spokesman Tony Snow, long since cut out of the news distribution loop in favor of a mom from New York, a point he made at his last White House Press conference that a now jobless White House Press could not attend.
It is a sad day indeed when politicians are reduced to
associating with extremists, as Sockpuppet notes.
A sad day indeed.
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Methinks Lambchop protests too much.
How many pols have been interviewed by Hamsher, Hardin Smith et al at Firedoglake?
How many lefty pols have been allowed to spew on Huffpo and Kos?
Lambchop needs to eat more Brazil nuts and stop getting so hysterical every time he senses one of his enemies is able to open their mouths without some MSM type asking them how many times they've beaten their wives this week.
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To old to remember the names now...but remember the stink that Pompadour (D. Gregory) put up when he wasn't the first one called during Quailgate. LOL. It never ends.
Posted by: Specter at August 15, 2006 09:28 AM (ybfXM)
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Seems like this guy is laddling out the Koolaide and the leftwingnuts are lapping it up. Its funny to read the comments and see the old "Its all about the JOOOOOS and No War for Oil" mantras trotted out as if they were new and fresh.
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A Ringer in Qana?
Ah, Qana... the staged massacre that won't go away.
Bernice S. Lipkin, editor of
Think Israel wrote to let me know that I was one of several bloggers cited in her newest article,
The Bloggers Take on The Qana Massacre. It's worth a read if you haven't been following the story, and probably a nice way to tie everything together if you have.
Due in part to this article and Kathy Gannon's
shamefully lightweight defense of AP's reporting (thinly veiled as an article about Slam Daher, AKA "Green Helmet"), I decided to revisit the Qana photostream on Yahoo!, when I noticed something that hadn't quite caught my eye before.
This photo
got my attention.
A female victim is being carried out of the naturally lit, open-air basement. Her legs are covered with a white sheet and her torso with a black one, but an armed encased in a black-full length sleeve all but points at the cameraman.
And on the third finger of her left hand, what do you see?
A simple band of gold. A wedding ring?
Aren't wedding bands are
Christian tradition?
The 28 named dead were all reported to belong to the same Shiite Muslim family.
Update: Could be dead wrong on this;
I dont know. I figured it was better to put it out there and let folks debate it.
Update: CY reader Bruce sends me
this link, which seems to indicate that the use of wedding rings in Muslim culture is a flagrant violation of their cultural norms:
The following are some of the practices that are meticulously carried out during matrimonial affairs despite the fact that they are either expressly forbidden in Shariah, or have no bases in Islam:
The engaged couple meet at a public gathering where the boy holds the girl's hand and slips a ring onto her finger whilst the two look romantically at each other. This act is void of modesty and completely [sic] foreign to Islamic culture. It is furthermore, a flagrant violation of the Quranic Law of Purdah. It is an evil innovation of the godless west , and those indulging in it should take cognizance of the Prophet's stern warning that "those who imitate others will rise on the Day of Judgement as of them".
If this is correct, then the use of wedding rings in the strictly Shiite Hezbollah-dominated culture of south Lebanon
very unlikely, begging the question, "where did this body, with an apparent wedding band, come from?"
Now more than ever, I strongly suspect this body, among others, may have been "planted" at Qana.
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There's Christians in Lebanon. Smart bombs don't know the difference.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 12, 2006 03:15 PM (rUHlk)
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The bombs do not make a difference, but people should. A simple application of however limited brain capacity would help.
According to ALL sources reporting from Qana
the victims were sleeping in one basement and belonged to Shiite. It is also well known that the Shiites are responsible for brutal killings of Christians in Lebanon. How come a christian woman would sleep among members of the Shiit family ? A 'multi-cultural media show ?'
Posted by: Peter at August 12, 2006 03:25 PM (5sCbj)
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I really have no idea. Maybe she was seeking shelter from the bombing. Ever been in a bombing? A person will do anything to have a place to hide and probably won't mind who's company they keep to have it. From the picture, I can't tell if it's a man or a woman. (of course that's not unusual, ever been to Denver?) The ring being only a Christian thing is only the mearest speculation on the part of the poster. Unless you were there, you're ALL just guessing. You don't really have any idea what the truth of the matter is either way.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 12, 2006 05:52 PM (TCz1O)
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Well Mike, it may not be exclusively a christian thing, but the question is -- is it a muslim thing?
The answer apparently is its not prohibited, so it may be "it depending on local custom".
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 12, 2006 06:59 PM (c/xwT)
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Most very devout Muslims reject the wearing of wedding rings as haram, forbidden. Not all Muslims may take this tradition as seriously as others, however. Still, the Shiites in Lebanon tend to be exceptionally religious so it does seem very unusual.
Posted by: mike at August 12, 2006 08:16 PM (CRG6u)
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It's not necessarily a wedding band. It may be just a ring period.
More to the point, I can't see any significance.
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Posted by: Fab at August 12, 2006 11:00 PM (qDqDD)
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Your headline should read "Ah, Qana... the massacre that shouldn't go away.
We should find out who was responsible and hold them accountable. Even in war there are codes of conduct.
Posted by: ClearwaterConservative at August 13, 2006 06:29 AM (92quE)
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Hezbollah is digging up corpses to parade them as civilian casualties. This means that they are desecrating graves.
You don't think Islamics warriors in Lebanon would desecrate Muslim graves for their propaganda, do you?
-Steve
Posted by: Steve at August 13, 2006 09:30 AM (5kFGJ)
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Wedding rings (worn on the third finger) are not a christian monopoly. If you have seen pics of a muslim bride in the arab countries, they are dressed in white wedding gowns like in the west. Most have wedding rings - I know several muslims who wear wedding rings.
Steve, what a sick mind to think that 'Hezbollah is digging up corpses to parade them as civilian casualties' - there have been only a few mass graves in Lebanon in recent times. The incessant bombing of anything that moves prevents the people of Lebanon taking their dead to cemeteries for burial.
The attack on Qana civilians was one of the brutal acts in history. Would you have been equally joyfull if something like this happened in Georgia? in If you don't have the moral fiber to condemn the carnage, at least dont desecrate the sanctity of the dead.
Posted by: Joe at August 13, 2006 11:35 AM (nnEcx)
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The attack on Qana civilians was one of the brutal acts in history.
Oh please, you're making me laugh.
Qana is a pimple on the ass of a gnat compared to most things that go on in the world today. Even worse is the fact that it was half fake.
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According to a photographer who has done work for the NY Times in the past, they are indeed digging up bodies for show and tell:
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/192229.php
Posted by: mike at August 13, 2006 02:14 PM (CRG6u)
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Joe, it's time to take your head out of the bag, and face the world.
The pathologies of the region will not abate by denying them, nor blaming them on externalities like 'colonialism' or 'Zionism.'
Arabs and Muslims worldwide need to decide for themselves if they will accomodate themselves to the modern, global order. In many ways our task as Americans is simply to avoid as much collateral damage to our own populations as possible, while the Arab societies resolve this nasty internal dispute. In fact, all the violence and "lashing-out" from Islamic radicals appear more and more to resemble a big child's temper tantrum. And we just want to be out of the way of the flailing arms and unaimed stones.
Wild proxy attacks on externalities, like civilians in Tel Aviv, New York and Mumbai only distract the middle eastern populace from the fractous internal debate that the region so badly needs.
-Steve
Posted by: Steve at August 13, 2006 03:14 PM (SDhNB)
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Now if my memory is correct there were christians in southern Lebonon. However, they were often treated poorly and some even were supportive of Hezbollah as well. Still this being said, I would not be surprised to see this as a set up photo as well. Perhaps a willing, live western accomplice is the "victim" on the streacher. Or perhaps they are using a dead christians body to ralley support from "those people". The only thing that is sure is that any picture coming from there is suspect and needs to be more or less disregarded from the ranks of truth.
Posted by: Carnivore at August 14, 2006 08:28 AM (Ht3uJ)
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I'm not sure about this one. Osama bin Laden wears a ring, and we all know he's about as fanatical as they come. The 9/11 deniers try to use pictures of him wearing a ring as proof that he is an American 'psy-ops' creation. I'd hate to think that we're going down a trail that was blazed by that that looney bunch. I'm not saying this isn't a good observation. It's just that we're going to need more proof.
Posted by: Granddaddy Long Legs at August 14, 2006 12:14 PM (vpndg)
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I don't get the fuss about this?
Why would someone put a ring on a dead body? Do you think they flew the hand in from Europe? Many Muslims wear rings. And there are also lots of Christians who got killed by the airstrikes. I don't understand how this is evidence of fakery.
There are lots of dead people in Lebanon these days and the house looks pretty smashed. And airstikes tend to kill indiscriminately. They were bombed for about a month straight.
Are you trying to say that Israel never went to war and that this is all some kind of liberal media conspiracy? If you supported the war, big deal, you got what you wanted. Here's the proof. Pictures of dead people. It's like renting a porno and being scandalized by nudity.
Or is this like Queer Eye for the War Reporter, where you snark at the fashion blunders and poor housekeeping of the deceased? Seriously, this either really loopy tinfoil hat "we never landed on the moon" conspiracy talk... or just a satanic joke that you are playing on dead people.
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August 11, 2006
From the Front
Michael Totten podcasts live from the Israeli/Lebanese border as a major Israeli offensive is about to give in.
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Philadelphia Daily Delusions
If I wrote the hare-brained editorial that appeared in the Philadelphia Daily News today, I'd want it left unsigned as well.
A fisking, anyone?
THESE PEOPLE have no shame. Their contempt for democracy is so great they will stop at nothing to undermine it. Their adherence to fundamentalist beliefs that blinds them to reality is frightening. They must be stopped.
And that's just the Republicans.
Nothing like getting your mind-numbed partisanship out front.
Let's start with Vice President Dick Cheney.
Yesterday, Cheney bashed those who voted for Democrat Ned Lamont in the Connecticut Senate primary, claiming that these votes would encourage "al Qaeda types" to think that "they can break the will of the American people."
The idea is that since 18-year incumbent Joe Lieberman lost based on his support for Iraq, Americans opposing the war are waving a white flag of surrender to terrorists.
This is stunningly ignorant logic, as well as annoyingly consistent with the Bush administration's fundamentalist myth that Iraq had ties to al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden - a claim by now well-discounted, most notably by a presidential commission.
Mr. Anonymous Editorialist, are you trying to tell us that Ned Lamont's cries to pull the troops home now—exactly what Osama Bin Laden, Ayman Zawahiri, and the late Abu Musab Zarqawi have called for—is
not the exact position of the world's leading terrorists?
The simple fact of the matter is that no matter how you try to shade it, the headlong retreat—or "redeployment" or whatever you want to call it—favored by the radical left is precisely what al Qaeda and similar terrorist groups desire. We know that, because they've said so, repeatedly. The only stunning ignorance displayed here is your own ignorance of the fact that both the terrorists and the Democrats agree that they want the U.S to retreat from the Middle East and stop killing terrorists.
Further, it is
precisely the headlong "redeployment" that John Murtha called for from Somalia and heeded by Bill Clinton that resulted in the terror attacks of September 11.
Dead terrorists don't cause problems, and retreating from live terrorists inspires them to attempt greater acts of terror. What part of that logic are you incapable of understanding?
In addition, Mr. Anonymous Editorialist has his fingers crossed and hoped no one would actual check his facts, which would reveal that the 9/11 Commission Report
did not say that Saddam's Iraq did not have ties to Osama's al Qaeda. In fact, it said
something else entirely.
Bin Ladin also explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to Hussein's secular regime. Bin Ladin had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan. The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly persuaded Bin Ladin to cease this support and arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting Bin Ladin in 1994. Bin Ladin is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded. There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after Bin Ladin had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior Bin Ladin associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States. Whether Bin Ladin and his organization had roles in the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center and the thwarted Manila plot to blow up a dozen U.S. commercial aircraft in 1995 remains a matter of substantial uncertainty.
Communications between senior officers of organizations are
ties, ladies and gentlemen, whether or not they cooperated on attacks against the United States.
Iraq may not have played a role in the terror attack against America on 9/11, but al Qaeda and Saddam's Iraq certainly had ties to one another dating back to 1994, as stated by then CIA Director
George Tenet:
- Our understanding of the relationship between Iraq and al-Qa'ida is evolving and is based on sources of varying reliability. Some of the information we have received comes from detainees, including some of high rank.
- We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al-Qa'ida going back a decade.
- Credible information indicates that Iraq and al-Qa'ida have discussed safe haven and reciprocal nonaggression.
- Since Operation Enduring Freedom, we have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al-Qa'ida members, including some that have been in Baghdad.
- We have credible reporting that al-Qa'ida leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire W.M.D. capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al-Qa'ida members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs.
- Iraq's increasing support to extremist Palestinians coupled with growing indications of a relationship with al-Qa'ida, suggest that Baghdad's links to terrorists will increase, even absent U.S. military action.
Since the 9/11 Commission Report was issued,
even more documents have shined a light on the connections between al Qaeda, their Taliban hosts, and Iraq. Mr. Anonymous Editorialist can say Iraq had no ties to al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden if he wants, but rational people looking at the still-accumulating evidence will be hard-pressed to draw that same conclusion.
But back to the editorial:
And yet the presidential fog machine has continued to belch out its Iraq-al Qaeda-link fumes to the extent that a recent poll suggests that 64 percent of Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links to al Qaeda. More people than ever now believe, according to a new poll, that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
No ties in the preceding paragraph has been walked back to "strong links" in this one. I've give this to the writer; when it comes to headlong retreat, he practices what he preaches.
It goes without saying that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction; it is a simple incontrovertible fact. He used thousands of them in his 1980-88 war with Iran, and gassed
thousands of Kurds in a single four-day strike on Halabja in 1988. Iraq maintained
and declared WMD stockpiles at the end of the 1991 Gulf War, and an
Iraqi general says his men moved WMDs out of Iraq into Syria in the weeks before our 2003 invasion. Anonymous may discount it, but as evidence slowly accumulates, even more people will believe in Iraq's WMD capability because it did exist, and it was never fully accounted for.
Ironically, the number who believe in the al Qaeda link is almost precisely the same number of Americans - 62 percent - who believe we are bogged down in Iraq.
For Cheney - and other Republicans like GOP National Chairman Ken Mehlman - to suggest that those Americans are encouraging terrorism is reprehensible.
And yet, we have to go back to the essential fact that John Murtha's 1993 call for retreat from Somalia is
directly responsible for Osama Bin Laden's decision to attack America. I certainly know it is not the Democrat's intent to encourage terrorism, but that fact—and it is a fact—remains that that is exactly what their position has done, and will continue to do.
Cheney's comments came out a day before British intelligence officials announced they had thwarted a major terrorist attack. Surely Cheney was aware of the plot and the work to thwart it, and was no doubt aware of the timing of yesterday's announcement.
To exploit a very real terror threat that could have led to major casualties, and to even indirectly implicate Americans who were exercising their democratic right by going to the polls and making a choice borders on the criminal, to say nothing of the insane.
Has Cheney completely lost it?
Mr. Anonymous has no shame. While more than eager to attack Cheney for politicizing events, he studiously avoids
his own Party's attempts to politicize things as well. Should we wait until his next editorial comes out calling Teddy Kennedy or Harry Reid insane or asking if they have "completely lost it?" Probably not.
The latest terror scare is upsetting enough: It is bound to lead to havoc and chaos both domestically and internationally. It could damage the economy if fears on flying are sustained. It reopens the profound wounds of 9/11, a scab we should figure by now will never completely heal.
But the real terror is this: While our Vacationer- in-Chief and his vice president shut down dissent, and discourage questions about the way our government has directed our intelligence and military resources toward a single target in Iraq, we are no closer to understanding or dismantling the threat of al Qaeda.
They "shut down dissent," eh? I spent all this effect to fisk an overly-dramatic editorial, and the guy who wrote it will be inside a Halliburton-run concentration camp before he can even read this. Darn.
Interestingly enough, it now seems that how our President has led our intelligence and military resources may have had
a direct impact in thwarting this latest attack, as the very intelligence programs that the
New York Times is trying to destroy may have provided crucial intelligence. Of course, ensconced in irons in a cell somewhere near Allentown, Mr. Anonymous will never know or admit to that.
Cheney's remarks underscore just how unsophisticated our understanding of terrorism is. We have no more understanding of the global forces at work that lead so many to want to bomb and destroy innocent lives than we did five years ago.
America's latest crisis is not what happened in Connecticut; it's what was going to happen in airplanes over the Atlantic.
The immoral and ridiculous claims coming out of the Bush administration's reign of error could ultimately be responsible for the kind of casualties that al Qaeda can only dream of.
Actually, terrorism is very simple to understand. It isn't a matter of nuance. Islamists want the whole world to subscribe to their way of thinking, and those that don't, they want dead. That is why Islam partitions the world into
Dar al Islam, the House of Submission for the true beleivers, and
Dar al Harb, the House of War, where infidels must convert, or die. It's actually quite straightforward. Even a
Sea Monkey can grasp the basic concept, even if a
Philadelphia Daily News editorialist finds it too taxing.
Claims don't kill people, Mr. Anonymous Editorialist.
Terrorists do.
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One of the Dems running for congress here, in an ad, talks about "keeping our promises" to our troops and veterans. How about the promise that, once we put our troops in harm's way, we give them everything and every bit of support they need to succeed in their mission?
Posted by: SouthernRoots at August 11, 2006 02:58 PM (jHBWL)
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Here's another resource to use when debunking claims that everyone knew prior to the Iraq invasion that Saddam had no WMDs/al Qadea ties.
Posted by: Granddaddy Long Legs at August 11, 2006 04:06 PM (alXDI)
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I think this editorial got it just right;Cheney's logic is ignorant. Neither he nor you have any basis,none,to call fellow Americans terrorism enablers. Your attempts to parlay weak evidence as a firm basis for action is at least the same, consistently ignorant logic displayed by the Veep. Small wonder you cheer Bush calling three countries the "axis of evil" and then believe him as he attacked the least dangerous of the three. And now,has limited ability to deal with NoKo and Iran because he's spent our capital so foolishly.
Nice try,but no sale.
Posted by: TJM at August 11, 2006 04:46 PM (F9hZP)
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TJM, you need to take a trip around the left side of the blogosphere before you make such inane statements. Or pick up a copy of the New York Times. The biggest terrorist enabler is Pinch Suhlzberger and his right-hand man, Bill Keller. And when you get done, take a look at what is happening today at the United Nations. I would say that forcing Israel into a cease fire is about as enabling as you can get. Appeasement of terrorists is dhimmitude and dhimmitude is enabling. Then there are John Murtha, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Max Cleland, Dennis Kusinich and their MSM mouthpieces, oh and speaking of mouthpieces, Reuters and the AP lead the list. And you might want to take a look at the translated Saddamm documents and some of the history of Iraq, before you call it the "weakest" of the three.
Posted by: Sara (Squiggler) at August 11, 2006 06:15 PM (FwPlP)
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9/11 was not related to Iraq.
Al Queda was not related to Iraq.
By your logic, WE have "significant ties" to Saddam/Iraq, and Bin Laden/Al Queda. Yer' splittin' hairs.
Our foray into Iraq, no matter what the perceived reason at the time (true conservatisim would have kept us from invading based on the lack of a reasonably substantiated relationship between Iraq and 9/11 and/or Al Queda), has been a failure when judged against any criteria - conservative or liberal.
Why would withdrawal NOT be a viable option at this point?
Exactly what is the mission of our troops? Being policemen in the midst of a Civil War? What is gained or lost by leaving? What is gained or lost by staying? More of the same?
We are fighting the wrong war, and the only patriotic thing to do is to redeploy our assets against out true enemies.
Only a looser who refuses to see the facts for what they are sticks with such a dog of a decision. Your support for continuation of this debacle seems to be based primarily on national pride. Pride shouldn't be the basis for such expensive and self-destructive decisions.
Posted by: smafdy at August 11, 2006 08:09 PM (hsxg7)
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My personal opinion on what may help win the war on terror, since everyone always mentions him when discussions arise on the subject, is to make a concerted and honest effort, on the part of all institutions and organiations concerned, even to include any and all individuals interested, to hunt down OSAMA BIN LADEN. FIND HIM, FIND HIM. BRING HIM TO NEW YORK IN IRONS, GIVE HIM A FAIR AND IMPARTIAL TRIAL, AND THEN HANG THAT BASTARD.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 11, 2006 08:30 PM (VYkB5)
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This whole war on terror is pretty interesting: it's over *when* we catch/kill them all. The question is just: all of whom? What's the definition of a terrorist? Are they all muslims? Do they all live in Iraq/Iran/Saudi-Arabia?
"Claims don't kill people, Mr. Anonymous Editorialist.
Terrorists do."
And, if USA kills people, doesn't that make it a terror state?
Killing solves nothing in the long run, not even killing "those damn terrorists". If nothing else, history has proven that right. Eg the first philosopher (how is his name "questionable content"?) was killed, maybe he was called a terrorist in his time as well, but that didn't stop his ideas from spreading.
No matter how hard to try, the only way to really solve any problem is to look at the root causes and find out what *you* are adding to the problem.
The only person you can really change is yourself. Trying to change others has never worked and never will; maybe you should read some Ralph Waldo Emerson or Stephen R. Covey.
Posted by: Arttu at August 12, 2006 05:41 AM (cZFZe)
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Why would withdrawal NOT be a viable option at this point?
Perfectly viable if the image you want to project to terrorists around the world is weakness and vulnerability.
Terrorists, like the Soviet, view the world through a different lense.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 12, 2006 08:01 AM (c/xwT)
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"The only person you can really change is yourself" Lovely sentiment; how do I change myself when I've been turned to ashes in the basement of the World Trade Center? By the way, there are more registered Independent voters in Connecticut then Dems and Republicans combined; so Lieberman is hardly finished.
Posted by: Tom TB at August 12, 2006 10:30 AM (wZLWV)
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Let's get down to brass tacks. It is unquestionably the Right, including Cofederate Yankee, that hates America and wishes the worst for the troops.
The war in Iraq is not in our national interest. I challenge anyone--ANYONE--to make a reasoned, compelling, fact-based argument that explains how I am safer as an American because of the Iraq invasion. Afghanistan is another story--a righteous bust, and one that is being screwed up. I'm talking about Iraq.
If the war is not in our national interest, the deaths of our soldiers are pointless and entirely avoidable.
When the Right argues for the prolongation of the war, they are directly arguing in favor of the continued death of our patriotic men and women in uniform. If you want the war to continue and there's no viable national interest served by it, then all you want is to see our boys and girls killed.
I'm sick to death of the Right telling me what I think and feel. It's my turn. Confederate Yankee, you hate America and everything we stand for. I can tell because you argue in favor of pointless death for the members of our armed services, and you lobby endlessly for the continued undermining of our country's moral high ground. You like torture because it makes America hated around the world, and you like that. I don't know why; I don't understand at all why the Right is so unpatriotic as to want to destroy our position among the family of nations as a beacon of fairness and democracy around the world, but it's what you want. You revel in it.
Finally, what is this bullshit I keep hearing about how the terrorists actually want us out of Iraq, and, thus, ending the war is playing into their hands? Are you freakin' kidding me? The last thing they want is for us to bring our soldiers home to help protect our borders. If we brought our soldiers home and enlisted them in the task of protecting airports and seaports, we would be impregnable. Not a single terrorist would have a chance at doing anything here. They LOVE it that we're over there; that way, they get to kill our soldiers.
Of course, that's the way you like it. I don't know why you and your ilk hate America so much, Confederate Yankee, but you do. It needs to come to an end.
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Michael:
Calm down, surely you must realize that these people have never served.
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Mike;
17 years and counting in the US Navy doing intelligence and planning operations....you?
Posted by: monkeyboy at August 14, 2006 06:55 AM (w4rJE)
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So, I worked at Greely Hall, wtf, at least I use my own name. I have a plan, where's yours?
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 14, 2006 01:34 PM (rUe4F)
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