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THE MORNING RANT: Volkswagen is Halting US Electric Vehicle Production Until at Least 2025
The ID.4's share in Volkswagen's total sales amounted to 5.7%, down noticeably from 8.7% a year earlier.Volkswagen’s Tennessee EV plant had an original production goal of 90,000 units in 2023, to rise even higher in 2024. But through the first half of 2024, VW had sold less than 12,000 electric vehicles in the US, which annualizes to less than 24,000. News about Volkswagen halting EV production broke last week, in association with a recall involving faulty door handles – a problem that for some peculiar reason is unique to VW’s electric cars but doesn’t affect its gas-powered cars. “Volkswagen to halt ID.4 production in the US following nearly 100,000 vehicle recall” [electrek – 9/18/2024]
Volkswagen plans to temporarily halt ID.4 production at its Chattanooga, TN, plant following a nationwide recall involving nearly 100,000 models. According to a VW statement, roughly 200 workers will be furloughed at the plant. According to Volkswagen, the production halt could last until the beginning of next year as it works to resolve the issue.A story in KBB states that Volkswagen EV production is not expected to resume until 2025. Interestingly, it also notes that while ID.4 production is being halted indefinitely, ”[Volkswagen] hasn’t told people who already own ID.4s to stop driving them.” As I alluded to earlier, there is precedent for “quality” or “supply chain” issues being promoted as the reason for stopping production of unwanted EVs. Earlier this month I discussed how Rivian stopped production of its Amazon delivery van after a series of spontaneous fires involving these vans. Rivian blamed the production shutdown on “supply chain issues,” but somehow those supply chain issues only affect the Amazon delivery vans that keep combusting. Tellingly, Rivian refused to disclose which parts are snared in the supply chain. About a year ago, Ford found itself with an unsellable glut of electric 2023 F150
so as to ensure that there is not a glut of unsold prior-year model Lightnings…”
Returning to Volkswagen, it makes outstanding gasoline-powered vehicles right here in the United States. It also terminated its relationship with destructive enviro-leftist CEO, Herbert Diess, back in 2022.
With the likely defeat of the Biden-Harris administration in a few weeks, and the subsequent dismantling of the EV agenda and mandates, VW has an opportunity to re-focus on selling great German-engineered cars, powered by gasoline, and assembled right here in the United States. It even has an available plant to use for that purpose.
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Posted by: BruceWayne at September 23, 2024 11:00 AM (CIS44)
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Why bother restarting?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 23, 2024 11:00 AM (0eaVi)
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Thanks, I've got a golf cart.
Posted by: BignJames at September 23, 2024 11:01 AM (AwYPR)
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It's dry in here, maybe the others can come in from the rainstorm.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 23, 2024 11:02 AM (0eaVi)
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If you want to know why new car prices are through the roof, it's because all of the auto manufacturers were using increased prices in ICE vehicles to cover for their losses in EV R&D and sales.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:02 AM (XV/Pl)
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5 If you want to know why new car prices are through the roof, it's because all of the auto manufacturers were using increased prices in ICE vehicles to cover for their losses in EV R&D and sales.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:02 AM (XV/Pl)
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I thought it was the underpants gnomes.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:02 AM (XV/Pl)
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I thought it was the underpants gnomes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 23, 2024 11:03 AM (GBKbO)
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What a shame!
A terrible, terrible shame.
A terrible, terrible shame.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2024 11:04 AM (Pijte)
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This is a pretty fun vid. These kids just need to actually vote.
"If he ain't dead I'm voting red!"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=82&v
=2ZL1UMldztw&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY
"If he ain't dead I'm voting red!"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=82&v
=2ZL1UMldztw&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY
Posted by: LizLem at September 23, 2024 11:04 AM (RslED)
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EV = no Fahrvergnügen??
Posted by: Doof at September 23, 2024 11:04 AM (RhGG0)
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Dad was out looking at trucks this weekend, Ford lots absolutely covered in Lightning and EV mustangs, lucky to have one or two Rangers on the lot.
Posted by: BruceWayne at September 23, 2024 11:05 AM (CIS44)
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EV = no Fahrvergnügen??
Posted by: Doof at September 23, 2024 11:04 AM (RhGG0)
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More like schrecklichkeit.
Posted by: Doof at September 23, 2024 11:04 AM (RhGG0)
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More like schrecklichkeit.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 23, 2024 11:05 AM (VdhcA)
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I've not driven a Volkswagen in . . . well, actually, I'm not sure I ever have driven one. Oh, wait, back in '84, I test drove a Golf sedan. It was kind of fun.
I like the look of the Passat and their smaller sedan, whatever it's called. Their SUVs look like everybody else's, no better, no worse. But I'm not sure, if something catastrophic happened to me Buick, that I'd consider a used Passat as a replacement.
I like the look of the Passat and their smaller sedan, whatever it's called. Their SUVs look like everybody else's, no better, no worse. But I'm not sure, if something catastrophic happened to me Buick, that I'd consider a used Passat as a replacement.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:05 AM (J2vNu)
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>>Correction: John is in the Pacific, off the coast of Mexico. This new disturbance is in the Gulf.
This is going to be Helene.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024 10:59 AM (Y1sOo)
And it's not in the Gulf...yet.
Forming in the northwest Caribbean right now with the projected track through the Yucatan Channel.
I seem to recall you are in southern Louisiana? Looks like you're not going to be at risk.
This is going to be Helene.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024 10:59 AM (Y1sOo)
And it's not in the Gulf...yet.
Forming in the northwest Caribbean right now with the projected track through the Yucatan Channel.
I seem to recall you are in southern Louisiana? Looks like you're not going to be at risk.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024 11:05 AM (Y1sOo)
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Good rant! Although I’m not sure VW’s ICE vehicles are all that great. German brands have really taken a dive in recent years, unfortunately.
Posted by: Lurker at September 23, 2024 11:06 AM (FC8SQ)
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VW has an opportunity to re-focus on selling great German-engineered cars, powered by gasoline
I *loved* VW's diesel-powered vehicles, and truly lament their passing. (Said passing was due to VW's stupidity and hubris, unfortunately.)
I *loved* VW's diesel-powered vehicles, and truly lament their passing. (Said passing was due to VW's stupidity and hubris, unfortunately.)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 23, 2024 11:06 AM (a3Q+t)
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VW needs to bring back the GTi. Make it manual only too.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)
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Electric vehicles have a great future and always will have a great future!
It's the present that is the problem!
It's the present that is the problem!
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:07 AM (uxCna)
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I seem to recall you are in southern Louisiana? Looks like you're not going to be at risk.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024
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Yes, the Hurricane Center is forecasting a "generally northward" movement -- which would take it up along the west coast of FL and ashore where the state coastline bends westward.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024
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Yes, the Hurricane Center is forecasting a "generally northward" movement -- which would take it up along the west coast of FL and ashore where the state coastline bends westward.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (J2vNu)
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The ID.4 had been imported from Europe for several years prior to the launch of US assembly, but consumers never really warmed to the car in the first place. Less than 10% of VW’s 2023 US sales were EVs, before EV sales plunged 28% in 2024 from the already anemic baseline.
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That's downright healthy compared to the Eurozone and VAG's home market in Germany.
In the EU, sales of EVs have fallen by more than 40% and in Germany by over 50%, IIRC.
EVs can be neat, or they can be super cool. But outside of the one thing they do extremely well (go extremely fast with crazy acceleration - that is, be a short-range sports car), they do nothing better for the money. They are a luxury, even outside of the luxury segment. They're a novelty (they're neat). They're a virtue signal. They're a "keeping up with the Joneses" thing.
Money's too tight for any of that, for far too many people.
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That's downright healthy compared to the Eurozone and VAG's home market in Germany.
In the EU, sales of EVs have fallen by more than 40% and in Germany by over 50%, IIRC.
EVs can be neat, or they can be super cool. But outside of the one thing they do extremely well (go extremely fast with crazy acceleration - that is, be a short-range sports car), they do nothing better for the money. They are a luxury, even outside of the luxury segment. They're a novelty (they're neat). They're a virtue signal. They're a "keeping up with the Joneses" thing.
Money's too tight for any of that, for far too many people.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (HnUIn)
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VW needs to bring back the GTi. Make it manual only too.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)
I drove an Army buddy's GTi on the Autobahn one time. That's a fun little rig.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)
I drove an Army buddy's GTi on the Autobahn one time. That's a fun little rig.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (xPJvm)
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I don’t want an electric car. I’m not even interested in a hybrid, mainly because I don’t feel comfortable with the car in my garage. I don’t want to wake up to (or come home to) an inextinguishable fire inside my house.
Posted by: Advo at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (jO4mz)
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Some day, the manufacturers will get the hint that EVs aren't really welcome.
Posted by: NR Pax at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (NR6c1)
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I wouldn't mind owning an EV. I do mind, however, parking an EV in our garage.
So, no EV for our household.
So, no EV for our household.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (tT6L1)
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@6
>>I thought it was the underpants gnomes.
Nope, underpants gnomes are not responsible for Stallantis raising the price of Jeeps by 50 pct over the last 5 years.
Anyone who buys a new Jeep is out of their minds.
>>I thought it was the underpants gnomes.
Nope, underpants gnomes are not responsible for Stallantis raising the price of Jeeps by 50 pct over the last 5 years.
Anyone who buys a new Jeep is out of their minds.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM (XV/Pl)
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WEST PALM BEACH, Florida — The man suspected of attempting to assassinate former President Donald Trump last week left a note several months ago urging others to “finish the job” and offering $150,000 to anyone who managed to kill the Republican presidential candidate.
Where the hell did this drifter get $150,000 to offer as a reward?
Don't worry, I already know.
Where the hell did this drifter get $150,000 to offer as a reward?
Don't worry, I already know.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM (uxCna)
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Saw an unusual (?) EV in Central Iowa this week. Thought the rear said "Lucio", but apparently the company is "Lucid", a CA based EV company? Their website says something about prices starting at $69,900!
Their "Lucid Air" model (? WTF is with these names) claims to get 500 mile range lol, and has a little map showing the 410 mile trip from LA to San Francisco. Totally relatable. When I think "lucid", I think San Francisco.
Their "Lucid Air" model (? WTF is with these names) claims to get 500 mile range lol, and has a little map showing the 410 mile trip from LA to San Francisco. Totally relatable. When I think "lucid", I think San Francisco.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM (JCZqz)
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I drove an Army buddy's GTi on the Autobahn one time. That's a fun little rig.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (xPJvm)
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I remember the TV ad for the GTi. German surfer music.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (xPJvm)
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I remember the TV ad for the GTi. German surfer music.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM (VdhcA)
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Ironically, a "Golf Cart" as a daily driver would be perfect for millions of people, and would probably not crater the existing electrical infrastructure distribution system all at once either.
Not that anyone should be told or required to buy something (As they are wont to do with re-chargeable cars) but by the same token ....
they tell you what you cannot buy, too. Like say, - Golf Carts. Something that would be practical, affordable, reliable and fit the needs for many. Can't have that.
Not that anyone should be told or required to buy something (As they are wont to do with re-chargeable cars) but by the same token ....
they tell you what you cannot buy, too. Like say, - Golf Carts. Something that would be practical, affordable, reliable and fit the needs for many. Can't have that.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM (oN30K)
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There was a picture of a Tesla with the bumper sticker "I bought it before I knew what he was like." EI twitter's biggest right-wing joker.
The caption was "I will buy this sticker for my volkswagen."
Was Deforest Kelly the only Star Trek actor who had done a million western shows?
The caption was "I will buy this sticker for my volkswagen."
Was Deforest Kelly the only Star Trek actor who had done a million western shows?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM (cf/0E)
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Easy fix. Tear out that gay EV stuff and put a GM V-8 in there. They would all sell.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 23, 2024 11:10 AM (8TfNm)
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I always liked the look of VW's CC, their top-of-the-line sedan. Never have seen many of them around here, though; Hyundai's Equus models were more visible. And those are scarcer than bald otters.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:10 AM (J2vNu)
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Where the hell did this drifter get $150,000 to offer as a reward?
Don't worry, I already know.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM (uxCna)
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Darn it, we told those FBI idiots to clean that house. What a bunch of imbeciles!
Don't worry, I already know.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM (uxCna)
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Darn it, we told those FBI idiots to clean that house. What a bunch of imbeciles!
Posted by: CIA at September 23, 2024 11:10 AM (tT6L1)
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VW Group is a major conglomerate that sells not only VW, but also Audi, Lamborghini, Bentley, and some Euro brands not sold in the USA.
Sadly, almost all of its brands -- even Porsche -- foolishly embraced this EV snake oil and I'm glad they are finally getting bit on the gonads. Pain is the only thing that will wake these idiots up to reality.
VW Group has some of the best hybrid tech in the business, for both economy and supercar performance. I expect the EVs will all be shitcanned and replaced with hybrid power.
Sadly, almost all of its brands -- even Porsche -- foolishly embraced this EV snake oil and I'm glad they are finally getting bit on the gonads. Pain is the only thing that will wake these idiots up to reality.
VW Group has some of the best hybrid tech in the business, for both economy and supercar performance. I expect the EVs will all be shitcanned and replaced with hybrid power.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 23, 2024 11:10 AM (iFTx/)
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>>Yes, the Hurricane Center is forecasting a "generally northward" movement -- which would take it up along the west coast of FL and ashore where the state coastline bends westward.
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The latest GFS ensemble, Euro ensemble and Euro AI ensemble are all pretty much in agreement, which is not typical this early in the formation process.
Straight north through the Yucatan Channel, then curving to the northeast making landfall at the Big Ben area.
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The latest GFS ensemble, Euro ensemble and Euro AI ensemble are all pretty much in agreement, which is not typical this early in the formation process.
Straight north through the Yucatan Channel, then curving to the northeast making landfall at the Big Ben area.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024 11:11 AM (Y1sOo)
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‘ Volkswagen is Halting US Electric Vehicle Production Until at Least 2025’
This was always inevitable. You can’t force a market to exist.
This was always inevitable. You can’t force a market to exist.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 23, 2024 11:11 AM (jbnUc)
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Toyota is the global auto major that will have the last laugh. Of all the majors, it's the only one that didn't go all-in on EVs, Red China, or both. It's been the contrarian in both respects, engineering for the greatest number in the most places. It's kept its head down and pushed hard on traditional powertrains and hybrids, maintaining market share is as many places as possible. It also has pure-electric EVs, but they've never been a focus.
Ford, VAG and GM went all-in on pure electric and/or Red China. They're in for a *very* rough time. My money is on Toyota and Hyundai/Kia emerging as top dogs - Toyota by design, Hyundai/Kia by luck.
Ford, VAG and GM went all-in on pure electric and/or Red China. They're in for a *very* rough time. My money is on Toyota and Hyundai/Kia emerging as top dogs - Toyota by design, Hyundai/Kia by luck.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 23, 2024 11:11 AM (HnUIn)
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024 11:11 AM (Y1sOo)
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Knew a young woman in CA in the late 80's with a GTi. I was informed GTi = Good Things Inside.
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at September 23, 2024 11:12 AM (WvGHv)
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Was Deforest Kelly the only Star Trek actor who had done a million western shows?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 23, 2024
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Nimoy did a few; not so much Shatner. I think DfK holds the record for Western TV episodes.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 23, 2024
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Nimoy did a few; not so much Shatner. I think DfK holds the record for Western TV episodes.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:12 AM (J2vNu)
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I saw my first Cybertruck in the wild this weekend. I can't imagine what they were thinking.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2024 11:12 AM (xCA6C)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 23, 2024 11:12 AM (cf/0E)
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Ironically, a "Golf Cart" as a daily driver would be perfect for millions of people
Go to The Villages - they're the prototype.
Go to The Villages - they're the prototype.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:12 AM (uxCna)
Posted by: BruceWayne at September 23, 2024 11:12 AM (CIS44)
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Yes, the Hurricane Center is forecasting a "generally northward" movement -- which would take it up along the west coast of FL and ashore where the state coastline bends westward.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (J2vNu)
The spaghetti plots don’t even extend west of the Mississippi coast. Texas and Louisiana look safe from the next gulf storm. We took a direct shot from Beryl, so statistically we should be safe for the rest of the season. Statistically.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (J2vNu)
The spaghetti plots don’t even extend west of the Mississippi coast. Texas and Louisiana look safe from the next gulf storm. We took a direct shot from Beryl, so statistically we should be safe for the rest of the season. Statistically.
Posted by: Advo at September 23, 2024 11:12 AM (jO4mz)
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Coming home from CA, I noticed a guy at the gas station with a Chev 454 in the back of his truck, Brand new. I asked about it and it was a GM crate motor, small block, pushing out a bit over 600 hp. He was hauling it home to put in his 65 El Camino.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 23, 2024 11:13 AM (tT6L1)
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Straight north through the Yucatan Channel, then curving to the northeast making landfall at the Big Ben area.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024 11:11 AM (Y1sOo)
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That ought to surprise some Londoners.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024 11:11 AM (Y1sOo)
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That ought to surprise some Londoners.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 23, 2024 11:13 AM (VdhcA)
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41 >German surfer music
"Help me, Rommel"
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 23, 2024 11:12 AM (cf/0E)
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Charlie may not surf, but Jerry knows what to do when he's caught inside at a dawn patrol.
"Help me, Rommel"
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 23, 2024 11:12 AM (cf/0E)
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Charlie may not surf, but Jerry knows what to do when he's caught inside at a dawn patrol.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 23, 2024 11:13 AM (GBKbO)
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Why don't EV makers incorporate the phrase "clean burning" into their sales pitches for their products?
Why don't EV makers incorporate the phrase "clean burning" into their sales pitches for their products?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 23, 2024 11:13 AM (xG4kz)
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Less than 10% of VW’s 2023 US sales were EVs, before EV sales plunged 28% in 2024 from the already anemic baseline.
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That's downright healthy compared to the Eurozone and VAG's home market in Germany.
In the EU, sales of EVs have fallen by more than 40% and in Germany by over 50%, IIRC.
EVs can be neat, or they can be super cool. But outside of the one thing they do extremely well (go extremely fast with crazy acceleration - that is, be a short-range sports car), they do nothing better for the money. They are a luxury, even outside of the luxury segment. They're a novelty (they're neat). They're a virtue signal. They're a "keeping up with the Joneses" thing.
Money's too tight for any of that, for far too many people.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (HnUIn)
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I believe subsidies or other incentives for EVs were shitcanned in Germany and elsewhere in EU recently. That is almost certainly the cause of the drastic decline, or at least a major cause. You can sell anything no matter how putrid if you pay people to buy it.
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That's downright healthy compared to the Eurozone and VAG's home market in Germany.
In the EU, sales of EVs have fallen by more than 40% and in Germany by over 50%, IIRC.
EVs can be neat, or they can be super cool. But outside of the one thing they do extremely well (go extremely fast with crazy acceleration - that is, be a short-range sports car), they do nothing better for the money. They are a luxury, even outside of the luxury segment. They're a novelty (they're neat). They're a virtue signal. They're a "keeping up with the Joneses" thing.
Money's too tight for any of that, for far too many people.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (HnUIn)
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I believe subsidies or other incentives for EVs were shitcanned in Germany and elsewhere in EU recently. That is almost certainly the cause of the drastic decline, or at least a major cause. You can sell anything no matter how putrid if you pay people to buy it.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 23, 2024 11:13 AM (iFTx/)
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at September 23, 2024 11:13 AM (Z8Yh2)
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Califzuela hardest hit ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at September 23, 2024 11:13 AM (Av2jG)
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“Let me translate. What would have been year-model 2023 electric pickups are now going to be year-model 2024 electric pickups
How does that work if they've already been issued VINs?
How does that work if they've already been issued VINs?
Posted by: Oddbob at September 23, 2024 11:14 AM (/y8xj)
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Willowed or woulda been: Who the hell doesn't notice an extra property on their electric bill for 18 years? I know electricity is expensive in some places, but anybody who actually pays for their juice knows exactly what it costs.
The Utility or power company saw the error of their ways, however. Credited his account with 600 bucks.
Yeah - no, that isn't how this works. If he owed *them* for 18 years worth of juice they would want every penny and send it to a collection agency. So he's an idiot, but one would think they owe him a more substantial sum than 600 bucks.
The Utility or power company saw the error of their ways, however. Credited his account with 600 bucks.
Yeah - no, that isn't how this works. If he owed *them* for 18 years worth of juice they would want every penny and send it to a collection agency. So he's an idiot, but one would think they owe him a more substantial sum than 600 bucks.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 23, 2024 11:14 AM (oN30K)
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Was thinking other day, how much does it cost I St to charge a EV and how many miles will it get on that charge?
I get different models and age will matter
I get different models and age will matter
Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2024 11:14 AM (SBj4e)
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We are seeing automakers finally opening their eyes that EVs are not what the public wants. Yet New York State has an Electric School Bus mandate requiring 100% zero emission school buses by 2035.
I grew up in rural upstate NY (north of Albany). Hour long bus rides are not unusual. On cold winter days, these things are supposed to last the day? And if one of these buses decides to emulate Chernobyl - what then? Is there enough time to get 45-50 kids off the bus?
I grew up in rural upstate NY (north of Albany). Hour long bus rides are not unusual. On cold winter days, these things are supposed to last the day? And if one of these buses decides to emulate Chernobyl - what then? Is there enough time to get 45-50 kids off the bus?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 23, 2024 11:14 AM (N39Ws)
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My wife and I visited Tangier Island in the Chesapeake last September on our 25th anniversary vacation. It's a small island (and getting smaller) and so most of the residents use large golf carts to get around. Makes perfect sense there.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 23, 2024 11:15 AM (v6JzV)
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FoMoCo is now openly aping Toyota's marketing, which is a major sign of what's going on.
This year, Toyota has had a campaign with the tagline, "Toyota is electrified, diversified." It goes over Toyota's robust portfolio of EV options, focused on hybrids and then followed by "plug-in hybrids" and then pure electric EVs. They started that campaign this year, as far as I can tell, and it's a solid play.
A lot of people are enamored with the idea of an EV - or with the virtue signalling EV ownership can express - but don't actually want (or can't afford) an EV, or don't want the tradeoffs of owning one. Toyota has nailed the EV-curious market perfectly, advertising what they care about with a nudge and a wink while whispering in the customer's ear, "plus, it's actually good."
Ford is doing the same, now. Less competently and with less polish, but the same message.
This year, Toyota has had a campaign with the tagline, "Toyota is electrified, diversified." It goes over Toyota's robust portfolio of EV options, focused on hybrids and then followed by "plug-in hybrids" and then pure electric EVs. They started that campaign this year, as far as I can tell, and it's a solid play.
A lot of people are enamored with the idea of an EV - or with the virtue signalling EV ownership can express - but don't actually want (or can't afford) an EV, or don't want the tradeoffs of owning one. Toyota has nailed the EV-curious market perfectly, advertising what they care about with a nudge and a wink while whispering in the customer's ear, "plus, it's actually good."
Ford is doing the same, now. Less competently and with less polish, but the same message.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 23, 2024 11:15 AM (HnUIn)
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EV’s make good drag racers, they suck at being a sports car. Unless you like not finishing laps.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 23, 2024 11:15 AM (8TfNm)
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"Hour long bus rides are not unusual. On cold winter days, these things are supposed to last the day? And if one of these buses decides to emulate Chernobyl - what then? Is there enough time to get 45-50 kids off the bus?"
Lots of handwringing and how did this happen?
Lots of handwringing and how did this happen?
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:15 AM (IHRQq)
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VW needs to bring back the GTi. Make it manual only too.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)
?? VW has built GTIs all the time since the first one was introduced.
They will be unfortunately now be auto (DSG) only from the 2025 model year on.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)
?? VW has built GTIs all the time since the first one was introduced.
They will be unfortunately now be auto (DSG) only from the 2025 model year on.
Posted by: spindrift at September 23, 2024 11:15 AM (OguvZ)
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52 “Let me translate. What would have been year-model 2023 electric pickups are now going to be year-model 2024 electric pickups
How does that work if they've already been issued VINs?
Posted by: Oddbob at September 23, 2024 11:14 AM (/y8xj)
I predict there will still be brand new model year 2023/24 EV pickups sitting on a lot somewhere that are still brand new.
How does that work if they've already been issued VINs?
Posted by: Oddbob at September 23, 2024 11:14 AM (/y8xj)
I predict there will still be brand new model year 2023/24 EV pickups sitting on a lot somewhere that are still brand new.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 23, 2024 11:16 AM (N39Ws)
Posted by: Chuck C at September 23, 2024 11:16 AM (yOPBE)
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IIRC California toyed with the idea of making Toyota put a "noisemaker" on the then new Prius Hybrids because at low speeds, like in a parking lot, they operated on battery power alone. And were quiet. So deaf people were at risk.
Or some stupid shit like that.
EV's are dangerous to deaf people and other living things.
Or some stupid shit like that.
EV's are dangerous to deaf people and other living things.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 11:16 AM (Q4IgG)
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5 If you want to know why new car prices are through the roof, it's because all of the auto manufacturers were using increased prices in ICE vehicles to cover for their losses in EV R&D and sales.
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Buy used cars. It ain't gonna get better on the new car horizon.
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Buy used cars. It ain't gonna get better on the new car horizon.
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 23, 2024 11:16 AM (c711F)
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Don't need any EV's in Philly:
https://is.gd/lzKPGW
/ Based on search of 'K and A Discount' which is in on Kensington Avenue in Philadelphia. New mayor is worse then useless.
Don't need any EV's in Philly:
https://is.gd/lzKPGW
/ Based on search of 'K and A Discount' which is in on Kensington Avenue in Philadelphia. New mayor is worse then useless.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 23, 2024 11:16 AM (RKVpM)
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I believe subsidies or other incentives for EVs were shitcanned in Germany and elsewhere in EU recently. That is almost certainly the cause of the drastic decline, or at least a major cause. You can sell anything no matter how putrid if you pay people to buy it.
I read something about the collapse of EV sales in Germany that said that as expensive as gasoline is in Germany, electricity is even more expensive, so it costs twice as much to charge an EV as it costs to fuel a conventional car.
I read something about the collapse of EV sales in Germany that said that as expensive as gasoline is in Germany, electricity is even more expensive, so it costs twice as much to charge an EV as it costs to fuel a conventional car.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:16 AM (uxCna)
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Lots of handwringing and how did this happen?
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:15 AM (IHRQq)
How did it happen? It is New York State. Guv Hochul.
Lots of handwringing and how did this happen?
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:15 AM (IHRQq)
How did it happen? It is New York State. Guv Hochul.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 23, 2024 11:16 AM (N39Ws)
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Weirdly, VW has invested billions in Rivian.
Posted by: Bacon Jeff at September 23, 2024 11:16 AM (VGRuw)
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S.F. will hit the upper 80's today. Ugh. At least we'll be in the 70's rest of the week.
Posted by: SFGoth at September 23, 2024 11:16 AM (KAi1n)
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IIRC California toyed with the idea of making Toyota put a "noisemaker" on the then new Prius Hybrids because at low speeds, like in a parking lot, they operated on battery power alone. And were quiet. So deaf people were at risk.
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Posted by: BruceWayne at September 23, 2024 11:17 AM (CIS44)
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"How did it happen? It is New York State. Guv Hochul."
But that's what will go on. Some televised committee meetings. Lots of accusations. Then we continue on because no one is to blame and how do we fix this and this is the way it's always been.
But that's what will go on. Some televised committee meetings. Lots of accusations. Then we continue on because no one is to blame and how do we fix this and this is the way it's always been.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:17 AM (IHRQq)
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California toyed with the idea of making Toyota put a "noisemaker" on the then new Prius Hybrids because at low speeds, like in a parking lot, they operated on battery power alone. And were quiet.
A Topps baseball card and a clothespin would have done the trick.
California toyed with the idea of making Toyota put a "noisemaker" on the then new Prius Hybrids because at low speeds, like in a parking lot, they operated on battery power alone. And were quiet.
A Topps baseball card and a clothespin would have done the trick.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 23, 2024 11:18 AM (xG4kz)
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New NYT poll of AZ, NC and GA.
Trump by 5 in AZ, by 2 in NC and 4 in GA. This is the NYT.
https://tinyurl.com/mxsxv6kp
Trump by 5 in AZ, by 2 in NC and 4 in GA. This is the NYT.
https://tinyurl.com/mxsxv6kp
Posted by: JackStraw at September 23, 2024 11:18 AM (LkLld)
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Some day, the manufacturers will get the hint that EVs aren't really welcome.
Posted by: NR Pax at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (NR6c1)
The car makers are gearing for EVs in response to the government, not the car buyers.
We’ve been looking, but want a V6, not a high RPM turbo 4, or even 3 cylinder. Yeah, we’d love a small block V8 making a comfortable (for the engine) 300 to 350 horses.
Posted by: NR Pax at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (NR6c1)
The car makers are gearing for EVs in response to the government, not the car buyers.
We’ve been looking, but want a V6, not a high RPM turbo 4, or even 3 cylinder. Yeah, we’d love a small block V8 making a comfortable (for the engine) 300 to 350 horses.
Posted by: Advo at September 23, 2024 11:18 AM (jO4mz)
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O/T
I have seen headlines all over that Harris is leading in the polls and as crazy as it sounds that she is tied with Trump on the economy. Even 538 that had it 70-30 Trump now has it 50-50. I assume that this is all crap. Does anyone have any good polls?
I have seen headlines all over that Harris is leading in the polls and as crazy as it sounds that she is tied with Trump on the economy. Even 538 that had it 70-30 Trump now has it 50-50. I assume that this is all crap. Does anyone have any good polls?
Posted by: anon at September 23, 2024 11:18 AM (RqMDa)
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EV’s make good drag racers, they suck at being a sports car. Unless you like not finishing laps.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 23, 2024 11:15 AM (8TfNm)
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"Sports car" != "track car." They *can* be the same, but needn't.
A car with great acceleration, nice top-end speed, tight handling and comfort that can take you out to that really nice winding round that only locals know about, park you at the restaurant for an hour for lunch, then mosey on back home is also very much a thing, and probably the larger market. EV sports cars kick ass for that scenario. They're also pure luxury goods and the market is discerning because it can afford to be.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 23, 2024 11:15 AM (8TfNm)
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"Sports car" != "track car." They *can* be the same, but needn't.
A car with great acceleration, nice top-end speed, tight handling and comfort that can take you out to that really nice winding round that only locals know about, park you at the restaurant for an hour for lunch, then mosey on back home is also very much a thing, and probably the larger market. EV sports cars kick ass for that scenario. They're also pure luxury goods and the market is discerning because it can afford to be.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 23, 2024 11:18 AM (HnUIn)
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"Trump by 5 in AZ, by 2 in NC and 4 in GA. This is the NYT."
They are cranking down hard in North Carolina because the Republican candidate in NC... said some disgusting things in a porn chat?
They are cranking down hard in North Carolina because the Republican candidate in NC... said some disgusting things in a porn chat?
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:19 AM (iFMeW)
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S.F. will hit the upper 80's today. Ugh. At least we'll be in the 70's rest of the week.
October is the hottest month of the year in San Francisco.
Weird microclimate.
October is the hottest month of the year in San Francisco.
Weird microclimate.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:19 AM (uxCna)
Posted by: Oddbob at September 23, 2024 11:19 AM (/y8xj)
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I'd love a federal tax law that when a state gives subsidies like this, it should count as income and be taxed accordingly.
These sorts of bribes are common in both red and blue states. Probably cost Gov Walker his job in Wisconsin when he gave away so much to Foxconn.
These sorts of bribes are common in both red and blue states. Probably cost Gov Walker his job in Wisconsin when he gave away so much to Foxconn.
Posted by: Blago at September 23, 2024 11:19 AM (wMRY8)
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Thanks Jack! I guess that you answered my request
Posted by: anon at September 23, 2024 11:19 AM (RqMDa)
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I grew up in rural upstate NY (north of Albany). Hour long bus rides are not unusual. On cold winter days, these things are supposed to last the day? And if one of these buses decides to emulate Chernobyl - what then? Is there enough time to get 45-50 kids off the bus?
They will be honored as Glorious Martyrs to the EV Revolution, comrade.
They will be honored as Glorious Martyrs to the EV Revolution, comrade.
Posted by: Chuck C at September 23, 2024 11:20 AM (yOPBE)
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This was always inevitable. You can’t force a market to exist.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 23, 2024 11:11 AM
Hold our beers.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 23, 2024 11:11 AM
Hold our beers.
Posted by: Progressives at September 23, 2024 11:20 AM (a3Q+t)
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56 My wife and I visited Tangier Island in the Chesapeake last September on our 25th anniversary vacation. It's a small island (and getting smaller) and so most of the residents use large golf carts to get around. Makes perfect sense there.
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My wife and I just celebrated our 34th anniversary, yesterday. If you count the living in sin time we are well past 36 years. We decided to celebrate by hanging around the house and watching football. Explains a lot on how a good marriage is made.
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My wife and I just celebrated our 34th anniversary, yesterday. If you count the living in sin time we are well past 36 years. We decided to celebrate by hanging around the house and watching football. Explains a lot on how a good marriage is made.
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 23, 2024 11:20 AM (c711F)
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:20 AM (IHRQq)
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I read something about the collapse of EV sales in Germany that said that as expensive as gasoline is in Germany, electricity is even more expensive, so it costs twice as much to charge an EV as it costs to fuel a conventional car.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:16 AM (uxCna)
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It wouldn't surprise me. Germany is in a full-blown energy crisis due to both "green" madness and the Russia/Ukraine war. Germany is extremely dependent on natural gas for both energy and industry. The biggest loser in the Russia/Ukraine war will probably wind up being Germany. German industrial majors are diversifying offshore and have been for years. It isn't a desire to leave Germany, it's a desire to survive.
The US is a pretty big winner in that. Lots of German industrial plant going up, especially in the south.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:16 AM (uxCna)
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It wouldn't surprise me. Germany is in a full-blown energy crisis due to both "green" madness and the Russia/Ukraine war. Germany is extremely dependent on natural gas for both energy and industry. The biggest loser in the Russia/Ukraine war will probably wind up being Germany. German industrial majors are diversifying offshore and have been for years. It isn't a desire to leave Germany, it's a desire to survive.
The US is a pretty big winner in that. Lots of German industrial plant going up, especially in the south.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 23, 2024 11:20 AM (HnUIn)
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@64
>>Buy used cars. It ain't gonna get better on the new car horizon.
You're talking to a guy who's main vehicle is a 20 year old pickup truck.
If and when I replace it, it will either another pickup truck in the 2010 - 2012 age range, and something before 2018, as that's the time frame where pretty much all vehicles started to be come driving computers.
>>Buy used cars. It ain't gonna get better on the new car horizon.
You're talking to a guy who's main vehicle is a 20 year old pickup truck.
If and when I replace it, it will either another pickup truck in the 2010 - 2012 age range, and something before 2018, as that's the time frame where pretty much all vehicles started to be come driving computers.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:21 AM (XV/Pl)
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New NYT poll of AZ, NC and GA.
Trump by 5 in AZ, by 2 in NC and 4 in GA. This is the NYT.
https://tinyurl.com/mxsxv6kp
Posted by: JackStraw
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Great to hear.
I really think it's going to come down to PA.
Trump by 5 in AZ, by 2 in NC and 4 in GA. This is the NYT.
https://tinyurl.com/mxsxv6kp
Posted by: JackStraw
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Great to hear.
I really think it's going to come down to PA.
Posted by: Blago at September 23, 2024 11:21 AM (wMRY8)
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October is the hottest month of the year in San Francisco.
Weird microclimate.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:19 AM
All that residual heat from the sidewalk poop has to go somewhere.
The Laws of Thermodynamics will not be mocked.
Weird microclimate.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:19 AM
All that residual heat from the sidewalk poop has to go somewhere.
The Laws of Thermodynamics will not be mocked.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 23, 2024 11:21 AM (a3Q+t)
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I saw my first Cybertruck in the wild this weekend. I can't imagine what they were thinking.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2024 11:12 AM (xCA6C)
I saw two in one day a couple of weeks ago. Southwest suburb of Houston. Haven't seen any since though.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2024 11:12 AM (xCA6C)
I saw two in one day a couple of weeks ago. Southwest suburb of Houston. Haven't seen any since though.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 23, 2024 11:21 AM (s9EYN)
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A Topps baseball card and a clothespin would have done the trick.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 23, 2024 11:18 AM (xG4kz)
Would be infinitely less annoying that the annoying screeching sounds that the manufacturers make their EV's. I don't know why but the sounds these things make - which people assume sound like Jetsons cars - is like nails on a chalkboard to me. It actually makes my head twitch in a Tourette's-like reaction when I'm subjected to the sounds.
The worst is GM and its E-ray C8 corvette hybrid. It artificially pipes that stupid "EV" sound into the cabin when you stop on the accelerator - and you cannot turn it off apparently.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 23, 2024 11:18 AM (xG4kz)
Would be infinitely less annoying that the annoying screeching sounds that the manufacturers make their EV's. I don't know why but the sounds these things make - which people assume sound like Jetsons cars - is like nails on a chalkboard to me. It actually makes my head twitch in a Tourette's-like reaction when I'm subjected to the sounds.
The worst is GM and its E-ray C8 corvette hybrid. It artificially pipes that stupid "EV" sound into the cabin when you stop on the accelerator - and you cannot turn it off apparently.
Posted by: Defenestratus at September 23, 2024 11:22 AM (CZIxn)
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77 "Trump by 5 in AZ, by 2 in NC and 4 in GA. This is the NYT."
They are cranking down hard in North Carolina because the Republican candidate in NC... said some disgusting things in a porn chat?
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:19 AM (iFMeW)
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He's been polling behind Stein pretty much since the race started, at least in public polling. ThisOctober September surprise could be more about downing overall Republican enthusiasm more than sinking Robinson. I dunno. Tea leaves. Kremlinology.
I do wonder how much it can affect things, though. Robinson's personality has always been big talker with controversial things. Heck, there's a pro-Stein radio ad that's almost exclusively just clips of Robinson talking about abortion.
I'm sure there will be analysis attributing his loss to the surprise (assuming he loses), but eh...his personality was always turning off establishment Republicans. How much worse could that get?
They are cranking down hard in North Carolina because the Republican candidate in NC... said some disgusting things in a porn chat?
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:19 AM (iFMeW)
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He's been polling behind Stein pretty much since the race started, at least in public polling. This
I do wonder how much it can affect things, though. Robinson's personality has always been big talker with controversial things. Heck, there's a pro-Stein radio ad that's almost exclusively just clips of Robinson talking about abortion.
I'm sure there will be analysis attributing his loss to the surprise (assuming he loses), but eh...his personality was always turning off establishment Republicans. How much worse could that get?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 23, 2024 11:22 AM (GBKbO)
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>>>Corporate-communism (re-distributing wealth from individuals to government-favored corporations)
The word you are looking for is fascism.
The word you are looking for is fascism.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 23, 2024 11:22 AM (klJTj)
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Pager anecdote:
I was camping at a buddies lake cabin place, and sort of cut-off from "civilization", right? Was there a few days and a feller pulls in. He's another buddy, gonna fish for some bass. Haven't talked to him in ten years probably.
So we get to visiting after a while and starts talking about the state of the world and such. Well he mentions something about "The Israelis are detonating all the devices remotely" or something vague like that with a weird look on his face, I didn't quite grok what he was talking about, because I had no idea what he was on about as I hadn't checked the "news". Thought he'd gone around the bend, I did.
I sort of thought "Well, everybody kind of went off the deep end in the last several years since Covid, we'll just let this one go.." Space lasers and weather control, don'tcha know. LOL
I was camping at a buddies lake cabin place, and sort of cut-off from "civilization", right? Was there a few days and a feller pulls in. He's another buddy, gonna fish for some bass. Haven't talked to him in ten years probably.
So we get to visiting after a while and starts talking about the state of the world and such. Well he mentions something about "The Israelis are detonating all the devices remotely" or something vague like that with a weird look on his face, I didn't quite grok what he was talking about, because I had no idea what he was on about as I hadn't checked the "news". Thought he'd gone around the bend, I did.
I sort of thought "Well, everybody kind of went off the deep end in the last several years since Covid, we'll just let this one go.." Space lasers and weather control, don'tcha know. LOL
Posted by: Common Tater at September 23, 2024 11:22 AM (oN30K)
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As I alluded to earlier, there is precedent for “quality” or “supply chain” issues being promoted as the reason for stopping production of unwanted EVs.
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Intentional lying is consciousness of guilt wrapped in denial inside a gaslight.
Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at September 23, 2024 11:22 AM (Av2jG)
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"With the likely defeat of the Biden-Harris administration in a few weeks, "
What is this optimisim? That is not who we are.
What is this optimisim? That is not who we are.
Posted by: Man who lives as a pig at September 23, 2024 11:22 AM (yeGNw)
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Musk's support of Trump is probably going to hurt Tesla sales.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 23, 2024 11:22 AM (/lPRQ)
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79 EV’s make good drag racers, they suck at being a sports car
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In the heyday of muscle cars Corvairs were kicking ass at stop light drags.
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 23, 2024 11:22 AM (c711F)
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I assumed they were going after Trump voters with Robinson. Probably the lamest of controversies in the current political climate. Did he also bully a kid in high school?
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:23 AM (IHRQq)
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It wouldn't surprise me. Germany is in a full-blown energy crisis due to both "green" madness and the Russia/Ukraine war. Germany is extremely dependent on natural gas for both energy and industry.
Yeah, deciding that you are going to respond to the loss of cheap Russian gas by also closing all your nuclear plants was just an astonishingly bad policy decision.
Yeah, deciding that you are going to respond to the loss of cheap Russian gas by also closing all your nuclear plants was just an astonishingly bad policy decision.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:23 AM (uxCna)
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> October is the hottest month of the year in San Francisco.
Weird microclimate.
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Also the month with fewest foggy days. At least the 2-3 Octobers I was in Mountain View, south of SF.
Weird microclimate.
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Also the month with fewest foggy days. At least the 2-3 Octobers I was in Mountain View, south of SF.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 11:24 AM (Q4IgG)
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Yeah, we’d love a small block V8 making a comfortable (for the engine) 300 to 350 horses.
Posted by: Advo at September 23, 2024 11:18 AM (jO4mz)
I have a 14 Silverado CC with a 5.3L. Good sized V8. Problem is the onboard computers have taken the power out of these. Case in point. If I'm merging on a highway and I need to get up to speed quickly (new england has awful onramps) -- you step on it right? Better bake in 3+ seconds while the computer figures out what to do when you floor it.
Saw the same thing with a 2024 Ford Escape I rented when I was traveling in Detroit. Now, that was a 4cylinder, but same symptoms. And in Detroit - when you need to move - you need to move now whether dodging fellow drivers or bullets.
Yeah, we’d love a small block V8 making a comfortable (for the engine) 300 to 350 horses.
Posted by: Advo at September 23, 2024 11:18 AM (jO4mz)
I have a 14 Silverado CC with a 5.3L. Good sized V8. Problem is the onboard computers have taken the power out of these. Case in point. If I'm merging on a highway and I need to get up to speed quickly (new england has awful onramps) -- you step on it right? Better bake in 3+ seconds while the computer figures out what to do when you floor it.
Saw the same thing with a 2024 Ford Escape I rented when I was traveling in Detroit. Now, that was a 4cylinder, but same symptoms. And in Detroit - when you need to move - you need to move now whether dodging fellow drivers or bullets.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 23, 2024 11:24 AM (N39Ws)
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54 Was thinking other day, how much does it cost I St to charge a EV and how many miles will it get on that charge?
I get different models and age will matter
Posted by: Skip
If you're "filling" up at a commercial charger, it's not much cheaper than putting gas in an efficient hybrid.if you charge at home, though, you can see some savings.
We have a Chevy Bolt EV, which averages about 4 miles per kWh. One kWh of electricity costs about 11 cents when charging at home...so 3.6 cents a mile? We also have a Hyundai Ioniq hybrid that gets about 50 mpg. At, say, $3 gallon, that's 6 cents a mile...with low gas prices. My energy rates at home are even cheaper, because I have solar panels, lowering the cost further, technically.
EVs work really well in some niche applications (daily commutes, putting around town), but suck for longer trips, hauling stuff, etc.
I get different models and age will matter
Posted by: Skip
If you're "filling" up at a commercial charger, it's not much cheaper than putting gas in an efficient hybrid.if you charge at home, though, you can see some savings.
We have a Chevy Bolt EV, which averages about 4 miles per kWh. One kWh of electricity costs about 11 cents when charging at home...so 3.6 cents a mile? We also have a Hyundai Ioniq hybrid that gets about 50 mpg. At, say, $3 gallon, that's 6 cents a mile...with low gas prices. My energy rates at home are even cheaper, because I have solar panels, lowering the cost further, technically.
EVs work really well in some niche applications (daily commutes, putting around town), but suck for longer trips, hauling stuff, etc.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 23, 2024 11:25 AM (JCZqz)
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‘ S.F. will hit the upper 80's today. ’
That’s really going to make those fresh piles of poop extra steamy.
‘ S.F. will hit the upper 80's today. ’
That’s really going to make those fresh piles of poop extra steamy.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 23, 2024 11:25 AM (jbnUc)
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A good pole would be in a strip bar, if you like that sort of thing
Posted by: Common Tater at September 23, 2024 11:25 AM (oN30K)
Posted by: Winston Wolfe at September 23, 2024 11:25 AM (a3Q+t)
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New NYT poll of AZ, NC and GA.
Trump by 5 in AZ, by 2 in NC and 4 in GA. This is the NYT.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 23, 2024 11:18 AM
Rasmussen is teasing a PA poll sometime today. You know who is in PA today?
Donald Trump is here
Alex Jones is here
Tucker Carlson is here
JD Vance is here
Volodymyr Zelenskyy is here
One is not like all the others. Class?
New NYT poll of AZ, NC and GA.
Trump by 5 in AZ, by 2 in NC and 4 in GA. This is the NYT.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 23, 2024 11:18 AM
Rasmussen is teasing a PA poll sometime today. You know who is in PA today?
Donald Trump is here
Alex Jones is here
Tucker Carlson is here
JD Vance is here
Volodymyr Zelenskyy is here
One is not like all the others. Class?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 23, 2024 11:25 AM (RKVpM)
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I just did the playing card in the bike spoke thing for a kid in the neighborhood. Blew their mind. Poor things. The classics are being lost.
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at September 23, 2024 11:25 AM (Z8Yh2)
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100 It wouldn't surprise me. Germany is in a full-blown energy crisis due to both "green" madness and the Russia/Ukraine war. Germany is extremely dependent on natural gas for both energy and industry.
Yeah, deciding that you are going to respond to the loss of cheap Russian gas by also closing all your nuclear plants was just an astonishingly bad policy decision.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:23 AM (uxCna)
And they haven't paid enough yet for their stupidity. Their government is still full-on green.
Yeah, deciding that you are going to respond to the loss of cheap Russian gas by also closing all your nuclear plants was just an astonishingly bad policy decision.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:23 AM (uxCna)
And they haven't paid enough yet for their stupidity. Their government is still full-on green.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 23, 2024 11:26 AM (N39Ws)
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99 I assumed they were going after Trump voters with Robinson. Probably the lamest of controversies in the current political climate. Did he also bully a kid in high school?
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:23 AM (IHRQq)
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He talked smack on the internet. He called himself a black Nazi. He said that some people deserved to be slaves.
It's all, apparently, 14 years old or older, though. He's lost staff over it over the last few days.
Seriously, if you talk smack on the internet and run for office, clear your records.
Also, the nominee for Superintendent of Schools has similar things, but it's...much more defensible. She wrote "execute all traitors," while the ad says that she called for the execution of Democrats while showing the screengrab. It's like they're admitting that Democrats are traitors in an effort to get her. I suspect she'll get through and win the race, though. No name races for superintendent tend to trend more closely with blank thinking partisanship than top of the ticket governor's races.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:23 AM (IHRQq)
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He talked smack on the internet. He called himself a black Nazi. He said that some people deserved to be slaves.
It's all, apparently, 14 years old or older, though. He's lost staff over it over the last few days.
Seriously, if you talk smack on the internet and run for office, clear your records.
Also, the nominee for Superintendent of Schools has similar things, but it's...much more defensible. She wrote "execute all traitors," while the ad says that she called for the execution of Democrats while showing the screengrab. It's like they're admitting that Democrats are traitors in an effort to get her. I suspect she'll get through and win the race, though. No name races for superintendent tend to trend more closely with blank thinking partisanship than top of the ticket governor's races.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 23, 2024 11:26 AM (GBKbO)
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I wouldn't mind owning an EV. I do mind, however, parking an EV in our garage.
So, no EV for our household.
Posted by: blake
I wouldn't mind owning an EV.
I do mind, however, having to pay for an EV.
So, no EV for our household.
Posted by: blake
I wouldn't mind owning an EV.
I do mind, however, having to pay for an EV.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at September 23, 2024 11:26 AM (3zo3R)
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Zelensky is showing his path to end the war to both sides this week.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:26 AM (IHRQq)
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at September 23, 2024 11:26 AM (Z8Yh2)
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97 Musk's support of Trump is probably going to hurt Tesla sales.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 23, 2024 11:22 AM (/lPRQ)
MGUY did a story recently on his YT channel that highlighted the fact that Tesla sales were down 22% IIRC in Commiefornia and the big reason why was Musk's outburst.
Of course, no matter what Musk does - I will never, ever forgive him for the ruin he imposed on the automotive industry.
The whole idea of an all-EV future wasn't even considered in the realm of realistic possibilities until his stupid f*cking Mars-car project turned out to appeal to a bunch of Silicon Valley nerds who actually liked the swirlies they got in middle school.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 23, 2024 11:22 AM (/lPRQ)
MGUY did a story recently on his YT channel that highlighted the fact that Tesla sales were down 22% IIRC in Commiefornia and the big reason why was Musk's outburst.
Of course, no matter what Musk does - I will never, ever forgive him for the ruin he imposed on the automotive industry.
The whole idea of an all-EV future wasn't even considered in the realm of realistic possibilities until his stupid f*cking Mars-car project turned out to appeal to a bunch of Silicon Valley nerds who actually liked the swirlies they got in middle school.
Posted by: Defenestratus at September 23, 2024 11:26 AM (CZIxn)
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Why is TN paying $50 mil? VW has to move facilities here to:
1 Skirt import tariffs
2 Younger, cheaper workforce
3 Markets. Old Germans are not buying new cars. Their imported 3rd Worlders won't be either. They need rich Americans to sell to.
VW has every reason in the world to move operations to TN. They certainly didn't need 50 million more.
1 Skirt import tariffs
2 Younger, cheaper workforce
3 Markets. Old Germans are not buying new cars. Their imported 3rd Worlders won't be either. They need rich Americans to sell to.
VW has every reason in the world to move operations to TN. They certainly didn't need 50 million more.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 23, 2024 11:26 AM (wBaIH)
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Lessee here, being all logical and such:
1) Volkswagon was created by the Nazi Party
2) Volkswagon is making EVs.
3) Therefore, EVs are creations of the Nazi Party.
A perfect syllogism and....lo0gic wins again.
Don't buy Nazi, kids! Don't buy EVs!
Lessee here, being all logical and such:
1) Volkswagon was created by the Nazi Party
2) Volkswagon is making EVs.
3) Therefore, EVs are creations of the Nazi Party.
A perfect syllogism and....lo0gic wins again.
Don't buy Nazi, kids! Don't buy EVs!
Posted by: naturalfake at September 23, 2024 11:26 AM (eDfFs)
Posted by: BurtTC at September 23, 2024 11:26 AM (dGCAG)
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Corporate-communism (re-distributing wealth from individuals to government-favored corporations) is alive and well in Tennessee.
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You say that like it’s a bad thing.
- GOPe
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You say that like it’s a bad thing.
- GOPe
Posted by: News Update at September 23, 2024 11:26 AM (V/ZHY)
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I just downloaded the emailed receipt for my running shoes I bought this weekend. I had thought the T-shirt they added in was a freebie because I had bought an expensive pair of shoes. Nope; they charged $12 -- and I didn't know at the time because they could not print out the receipt from the iPad in the store. Well, the shirt is unworn; back it goes. I have more than enough T-shirts for working out and washing the car.
Sneaky of them. . . .
Sneaky of them. . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM (J2vNu)
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Musk's support of Trump is probably going to hurt Tesla sales.
Still lots of new Teslas being bought in my wealthy suburban neighborhood.
I think that most of the Musk-haters live in big cities, rather than suburbs, and people tend not to buy Teslas in big cities, because it's too easy to vandalize an expensive car parked on the street.
Still lots of new Teslas being bought in my wealthy suburban neighborhood.
I think that most of the Musk-haters live in big cities, rather than suburbs, and people tend not to buy Teslas in big cities, because it's too easy to vandalize an expensive car parked on the street.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM (uxCna)
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There is no evidence that non-citizens are voting.
Non-citizens added to states’ voter rolls through DMV, even after admitting lack of US citizenship
https://tinyurl.com/yc2tspwz
Non-citizens added to states’ voter rolls through DMV, even after admitting lack of US citizenship
https://tinyurl.com/yc2tspwz
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM (xCA6C)
122
A good pole would be in a strip bar, if you like that sort of thing
Posted by: Common Tater
Chuck Shadowski says - Także.
Posted by: Common Tater
Chuck Shadowski says - Także.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM (WXNFJ)
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With the likely defeat of the Biden-Harris administration in a few weeks...
What happens if she wins?
With the likely defeat of the Biden-Harris administration in a few weeks...
What happens if she wins?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM (63Dwl)
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I saw my first Cybertruck in the wild this weekend. I can't imagine what they were thinking.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2024 11:12 AM (xCA6C)
I saw two in one day a couple of weeks ago. Southwest suburb of Houston. Haven't seen any since though.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 23, 2024 11:21 AM (s9EYN)
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I glimpsed one in Astoria. Saw the characteristic electric-shaver shape, but I was lining up for a left-hand turn and didn't get a really good look.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2024 11:12 AM (xCA6C)
I saw two in one day a couple of weeks ago. Southwest suburb of Houston. Haven't seen any since though.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 23, 2024 11:21 AM (s9EYN)
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I glimpsed one in Astoria. Saw the characteristic electric-shaver shape, but I was lining up for a left-hand turn and didn't get a really good look.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM (VdhcA)
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108 I just did the playing card in the bike spoke thing for a kid in the neighborhood. Blew their mind. Poor things. The classics are being lost.
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Always best to use the plastic coated cards.
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Always best to use the plastic coated cards.
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM (c711F)
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EV’s make good drag racers, they suck at being a sports car. Unless you like not finishing laps.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 23, 2024 11:15 AM (8TfNm)
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"Sports car" != "track car." They *can* be the same, but needn't.
A car with great acceleration, nice top-end speed, tight handling and comfort that can take you out to that really nice winding round that only locals know about, park you at the restaurant for an hour for lunch, then mosey on back home is also very much a thing, and probably the larger market. EV sports cars kick ass for that scenario. They're also pure luxury goods and the market is discerning because it can afford to be.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 23, 2024 11:18 AM (HnUIn)
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Except you'll maybe get one run on a short twisty road before the batteries drain. I'm a track day instructor and enthusiast. I've seen many EVs of all types show up to run. They lasted maybe 1 or 2 laps. Maybe 3. The batteries drain incredibly fast going flat-out.
Oh and many states -- including NJ -- have outright banned EVs from race tracks due to fire and safety issues.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 23, 2024 11:15 AM (8TfNm)
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"Sports car" != "track car." They *can* be the same, but needn't.
A car with great acceleration, nice top-end speed, tight handling and comfort that can take you out to that really nice winding round that only locals know about, park you at the restaurant for an hour for lunch, then mosey on back home is also very much a thing, and probably the larger market. EV sports cars kick ass for that scenario. They're also pure luxury goods and the market is discerning because it can afford to be.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 23, 2024 11:18 AM (HnUIn)
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Except you'll maybe get one run on a short twisty road before the batteries drain. I'm a track day instructor and enthusiast. I've seen many EVs of all types show up to run. They lasted maybe 1 or 2 laps. Maybe 3. The batteries drain incredibly fast going flat-out.
Oh and many states -- including NJ -- have outright banned EVs from race tracks due to fire and safety issues.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM (iFTx/)
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121 There is no evidence that non-citizens are voting.
Non-citizens added to states’ voter rolls through DMV, even after admitting lack of US citizenship
https://tinyurl.com/yc2tspwz
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM (xCA6C)
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CO SoS fought to stop an audit of the voter rolls in the state for...dead people.
She lost, thankfully, but what argument do you put forward to not do that? Like, legally, what's the argument?
Non-citizens added to states’ voter rolls through DMV, even after admitting lack of US citizenship
https://tinyurl.com/yc2tspwz
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM (xCA6C)
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CO SoS fought to stop an audit of the voter rolls in the state for...dead people.
She lost, thankfully, but what argument do you put forward to not do that? Like, legally, what's the argument?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM (GBKbO)
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I glimpsed one in Astoria. Saw the characteristic electric-shaver shape, but I was lining up for a left-hand turn and didn't get a really good look.
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Astoria, OR?
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Astoria, OR?
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 23, 2024 11:28 AM (c711F)
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My wife and I just celebrated our 34th anniversary, yesterday. If you count the living in sin time we are well past 36 years. We decided to celebrate by hanging around the house and watching football. Explains a lot on how a good marriage is made.
Posted by: Pudinhead
Congrats to you and the missus, Pudin. We celebrated on 26th last Thursday with some excellent Chinese delivery.
How is your son doing?
Posted by: Pudinhead
Congrats to you and the missus, Pudin. We celebrated on 26th last Thursday with some excellent Chinese delivery.
How is your son doing?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 23, 2024 11:28 AM (v6JzV)
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It's believable that the door handles are a problem (on top of no sales). I owned three VWs of different models in the '90s and '00s, and the f***king door handles in each of the three had issues.
Posted by: pikkumatti at September 23, 2024 11:28 AM (LNiNn)
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Anyone who buys a new Jeep is out of their minds.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM
These jeeps I keep seeing on the road are all "off roaded" out with fender flares and snorkels, doors off and canvas tops and will never leave the pavement. They are a status symbol of the rich kid set and 30 somethings who are already out of their minds.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM
These jeeps I keep seeing on the road are all "off roaded" out with fender flares and snorkels, doors off and canvas tops and will never leave the pavement. They are a status symbol of the rich kid set and 30 somethings who are already out of their minds.
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (+oR7L)
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"He talked smack on the internet. He called himself a black Nazi. He said that some people deserved to be slaves. It's all, apparently, 14 years old or older, though. He's lost staff over it over the last few days."
I think it's more damming he logged into a porn site with his real name. That's just sloppy.
I think it's more damming he logged into a porn site with his real name. That's just sloppy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (IHRQq)
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We have a Chevy Bolt EV, which averages about 4 miles per kWh. One kWh of electricity costs about 11 cents when charging at home...so 3.6 cents a mile? We also have a Hyundai Ioniq hybrid that gets about 50 mpg. At, say, $3 gallon, that's 6 cents a mile...with low gas prices. My energy rates at home are even cheaper, because I have solar panels, lowering the cost further, technically.
EVs work really well in some niche applications (daily commutes, putting around town), but suck for longer trips, hauling stuff, etc.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 23, 2024 11:25 AM (JCZqz)
Any cost-benefit analysis of EV's that doesn't take into account opportunity cost of EV charge wait times is null and void.
Even 20 minutes of my time is worth more than a full 42 gallon tank of diesel in my truck.
EVs work really well in some niche applications (daily commutes, putting around town), but suck for longer trips, hauling stuff, etc.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 23, 2024 11:25 AM (JCZqz)
Any cost-benefit analysis of EV's that doesn't take into account opportunity cost of EV charge wait times is null and void.
Even 20 minutes of my time is worth more than a full 42 gallon tank of diesel in my truck.
Posted by: Defenestratus at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (CZIxn)
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These jeeps I keep seeing on the road are all "off roaded" out with fender flares and snorkels, doors off and canvas tops and will never leave the pavement. They are a status symbol of the rich kid set and 30 somethings who are already out of their minds.
Posted by: Frank Barone
And plastic ducks on the dashboard?
Gay.
Posted by: Frank Barone
And plastic ducks on the dashboard?
Gay.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (WXNFJ)
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Musk's support of Trump is probably going to hurt Tesla sales.
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Not probably will. Already has. Bigly. The man is taking a lot of fire for not only supporting Trump but fighting to keep free speech alive.
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Not probably will. Already has. Bigly. The man is taking a lot of fire for not only supporting Trump but fighting to keep free speech alive.
Posted by: News Update at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (V/ZHY)
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Except you'll maybe get one run on a short twisty road before the batteries drain. I'm a track day instructor and enthusiast. I've seen many EVs of all types show up to run. They lasted maybe 1 or 2 laps. Maybe 3. The batteries drain incredibly fast going flat-out.
Oh and many states -- including NJ -- have outright banned EVs from race tracks due to fire and safety issues.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM (iFTx/)
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Yes. At the track. On a Sunday Drive, not so much. You don't go flat-out for very long, if at all. You go balls-to-the-wall in short spurts out in the real word, and otherwise enjoy the rapid acceleration and nice, fun road. You *do* still need to be cognizant of range and state of charge because on such a drive, you're unlikely to find a charger. That is true.
But the two environments are not the same.
Oh and many states -- including NJ -- have outright banned EVs from race tracks due to fire and safety issues.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM (iFTx/)
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Yes. At the track. On a Sunday Drive, not so much. You don't go flat-out for very long, if at all. You go balls-to-the-wall in short spurts out in the real word, and otherwise enjoy the rapid acceleration and nice, fun road. You *do* still need to be cognizant of range and state of charge because on such a drive, you're unlikely to find a charger. That is true.
But the two environments are not the same.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (HnUIn)
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Naaaaazzzzzzies!!!
Posted by: BurtTC at September 23, 2024 11:26 AM (dGCAG)
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Ve veren't "naaaahzees," ve vere NAZIS!!!
Posted by: BurtTC at September 23, 2024 11:26 AM (dGCAG)
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Ve veren't "naaaahzees," ve vere NAZIS!!!
Posted by: Franz Liebkind at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (VdhcA)
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Of course, no matter what Musk does - I will never, ever forgive him for the ruin he imposed on the automotive industry.
Wut? Are you saying that Ford, GM, etc. are all victims of Musk, and their idiotic choices in their lineups are his fault?
Wut? Are you saying that Ford, GM, etc. are all victims of Musk, and their idiotic choices in their lineups are his fault?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (xCA6C)
139
If kamala wins in November there will be a hard EV mandate for the country. And the auto makers will all fall in line with it.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (QNSds)
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How is your son doing?
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He's a home energy assessor. He's also a rock star. He and his buds are doing fine.
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He's a home energy assessor. He's also a rock star. He and his buds are doing fine.
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (c711F)
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And we have a cone:
https://tinyurl.com/598pf4uf
For the record, two weeks ago, Joe Bastardi, the meteorologist that the climate alarmists love to hate, posted on X that development of a tropical cyclone looked favorable for this week and alerted Gov. DeSantis about it.
https://tinyurl.com/598pf4uf
For the record, two weeks ago, Joe Bastardi, the meteorologist that the climate alarmists love to hate, posted on X that development of a tropical cyclone looked favorable for this week and alerted Gov. DeSantis about it.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (Y1sOo)
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but what argument do you put forward to not do that? Like, legally, what's the argument?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM
The same argument a few people make for not mentioning Prometheus in a Thread, i.e. "Wouldn't be prudent."?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM
The same argument a few people make for not mentioning Prometheus in a Thread, i.e. "Wouldn't be prudent."?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (a3Q+t)
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I glimpsed one in Astoria. Saw the characteristic electric-shaver shape, but I was lining up for a left-hand turn and didn't get a really good look.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM (VdhcA)
I've started pointing and laughing out loud at them as I see them. Bonus points if the idiot driving it sees me doing it.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 23, 2024 11:27 AM (VdhcA)
I've started pointing and laughing out loud at them as I see them. Bonus points if the idiot driving it sees me doing it.
Posted by: Defenestratus at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (CZIxn)
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Money's too tight for any of that, for far too many people.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (HnUIn)
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The BYD Seagull is under $10k. Seems like a reasonable commuter vehicle. Still bad for the environment and shouldn’t be subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer, though.
Ironically, if EVs have a medium-term future, absent some breakthrough battery tech that makes them broadly more viable, it’s probably as ultra-cheap short-range city cars like the Seagull.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 23, 2024 11:08 AM (HnUIn)
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The BYD Seagull is under $10k. Seems like a reasonable commuter vehicle. Still bad for the environment and shouldn’t be subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer, though.
Ironically, if EVs have a medium-term future, absent some breakthrough battery tech that makes them broadly more viable, it’s probably as ultra-cheap short-range city cars like the Seagull.
Posted by: Lurker at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (FC8SQ)
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"There will be a hard EV mandate for the country. And the auto makers will all fall in line with it."
And rolling blackouts will be the norm.
And rolling blackouts will be the norm.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM (IHRQq)
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‘ Probably cost Gov Walker his job in Wisconsin when he gave away so much to Foxconn.’
Or the ‘Rats stuffed the ballot boxes and used Foxconn as the cover story. They need one of their stooges in power to help ‘fortify’ the ballot counting process.
‘ Probably cost Gov Walker his job in Wisconsin when he gave away so much to Foxconn.’
Or the ‘Rats stuffed the ballot boxes and used Foxconn as the cover story. They need one of their stooges in power to help ‘fortify’ the ballot counting process.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM (jbnUc)
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"He talked smack on the internet. He called himself a black Nazi. He said that some people deserved to be slaves. It's all, apparently, 14 years old or older, though. He's lost staff over it over the last few days."
I think it's more damming he logged into a porn site with his real name. That's just sloppy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (IHRQq)
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"What a fucking idiot."
-- Carlos Danger
I think it's more damming he logged into a porn site with his real name. That's just sloppy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (IHRQq)
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"What a fucking idiot."
-- Carlos Danger
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM (iFTx/)
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Lead-acid "golf cart" or deep cycle batteries charge slowly at best and only take longer (and require temperature compensated voltages) when it gets cold.
They will work though, at well below freezing, and can be recharged. The weird thing about the LiFiPo batts is they cannot be recharged below freezing or thereabouts.
There are workarounds to this, none of them very good, not for poor folks who just need to get to work, or the store in places other than LA or Florida. A "Golf Cart" with a good charger and batts could be well under 10k and last for years.
They will work though, at well below freezing, and can be recharged. The weird thing about the LiFiPo batts is they cannot be recharged below freezing or thereabouts.
There are workarounds to this, none of them very good, not for poor folks who just need to get to work, or the store in places other than LA or Florida. A "Golf Cart" with a good charger and batts could be well under 10k and last for years.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM (oN30K)
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"The Biggest Wild Card In The Presidential Election": Just Days Left Until A Crippling Port Strike Paralyzes The East Coast
"Even a two-week strike could disrupt supply chains until 2025" and destroy Kamala's election chances.
"Even a two-week strike could disrupt supply chains until 2025" and destroy Kamala's election chances.
Posted by: SMOD at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM (GITLP)
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I saw my first Cybertruck in the wild this weekend. I can't imagine what they were thinking.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2024 11:12 AM (xCA6C)
My city is stupid with wealthy leftists with a lot of money. I've seen at least a half dozen of those monstrosities over the summer. Also, Rivians, which are a friggin' eye-sore.
Anecdotally, I'd say the percentage of EVs to regular cars is nearing 30% here.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2024 11:12 AM (xCA6C)
My city is stupid with wealthy leftists with a lot of money. I've seen at least a half dozen of those monstrosities over the summer. Also, Rivians, which are a friggin' eye-sore.
Anecdotally, I'd say the percentage of EVs to regular cars is nearing 30% here.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM (xPJvm)
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM (VdhcA)
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And plastic ducks on the dashboard?
Gay.
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I saw that a couple of days ago. WTF?
Gay.
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I saw that a couple of days ago. WTF?
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM (c711F)
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Nope, underpants gnomes are not responsible for Stallantis raising the price of Jeeps by 50 pct over the last 5 years.
Anyone who buys a new Jeep is out of their minds.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM (XV/Pl)
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It's absolutely bonkers. The Wagoneer (they brought the name back for the big, fancy one) *starts* at over $60k and can easily encroach on $90k if you kit it out.
Anyone who buys a new Jeep is out of their minds.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM (XV/Pl)
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It's absolutely bonkers. The Wagoneer (they brought the name back for the big, fancy one) *starts* at over $60k and can easily encroach on $90k if you kit it out.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM (HnUIn)
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Rasmussen is teasing a PA poll sometime today. You know who is in PA today?
Posted by: Divide by Zero
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Can we just be honest though and say Rasmussen is probably never going to say Trump is behind?
I dont trust the MSM polls either fwiw.
Posted by: Divide by Zero
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Can we just be honest though and say Rasmussen is probably never going to say Trump is behind?
I dont trust the MSM polls either fwiw.
Posted by: Blago at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM (wMRY8)
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131 Anyone who buys a new Jeep is out of their minds.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM
These jeeps I keep seeing on the road are all "off roaded" out with fender flares and snorkels, doors off and canvas tops and will never leave the pavement. They are a status symbol of the rich kid set and 30 somethings who are already out of their minds.
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (+oR7L)
I drove a Gladiator a couple months ago. I was not impressed. A real POS.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM
These jeeps I keep seeing on the road are all "off roaded" out with fender flares and snorkels, doors off and canvas tops and will never leave the pavement. They are a status symbol of the rich kid set and 30 somethings who are already out of their minds.
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (+oR7L)
I drove a Gladiator a couple months ago. I was not impressed. A real POS.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM (N39Ws)
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> There is no evidence that non-citizens are voting.
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No, but someone is casting their ballots.
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No, but someone is casting their ballots.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (Q4IgG)
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I assumed they were going after Trump voters with Robinson.
The Robinson stuff -- if true -- is very ick but I doubt that anyone thinks it has anything to do with Trump.
The Robinson stuff -- if true -- is very ick but I doubt that anyone thinks it has anything to do with Trump.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (/y8xj)
158
Zelensky is showing his path to end the war to both sides this week.
1. Give me more money.
2. NATO should engage in a proxy war with Russia, by firing NATO missiles using NATO targeting deep into Russia. This will force Russia to surrender.
3. No peace negotiations until Russia has withdrawn to its 1991 borders, including Crimea.
4. Purely coincidentally, no elections in Ukraine until Russia has withdrawn to its 1991 borders, including Crimea.
1. Give me more money.
2. NATO should engage in a proxy war with Russia, by firing NATO missiles using NATO targeting deep into Russia. This will force Russia to surrender.
3. No peace negotiations until Russia has withdrawn to its 1991 borders, including Crimea.
4. Purely coincidentally, no elections in Ukraine until Russia has withdrawn to its 1991 borders, including Crimea.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (uxCna)
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And we have a cone:
https://tinyurl.com/598pf4uf
For the record, two weeks ago, Joe Bastardi, the meteorologist that the climate alarmists love to hate, posted on X that development of a tropical cyclone looked favorable for this week and alerted Gov. DeSantis about it.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024 p.i]
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As long as it continues to bear north and not northwest . . .
https://tinyurl.com/598pf4uf
For the record, two weeks ago, Joe Bastardi, the meteorologist that the climate alarmists love to hate, posted on X that development of a tropical cyclone looked favorable for this week and alerted Gov. DeSantis about it.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024 p.i]
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As long as it continues to bear north and not northwest . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (J2vNu)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (J2vNu)
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151 Astoria, OR?
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 23, 2024 11:28 AM (c711F)
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Yep.
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Dude, Astoria has some very interesting tittie bars. Then there's the hippies.
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 23, 2024 11:28 AM (c711F)
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Yep.
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Dude, Astoria has some very interesting tittie bars. Then there's the hippies.
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (c711F)
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Naaaaazzzzzzies!!!
Posted by: BurtTC at September 23, 2024 11:26 AM (dGCAG)
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Ve veren't "naaaahzees," ve vere NAZIS!!!
Posted by: Franz Liebkind at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (VdhcA)
Franz... are we the baddies?
Posted by: BurtTC at September 23, 2024 11:26 AM (dGCAG)
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Ve veren't "naaaahzees," ve vere NAZIS!!!
Posted by: Franz Liebkind at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (VdhcA)
Franz... are we the baddies?
Posted by: Hans at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (dGCAG)
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As a retired mechanical engineer who has owned 3 German cars I must admit to NOT being impressed with German Engineering. If it CAN be over engineered, it WILL be over engineered. The exception being Volkswagens prior to the Rabbit.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (kzHlT)
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (RKVpM)
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People don't want EVs.
The government is trying to force you to buy one instead of an ICE (or just go without).
But "muh sacred democracy!"
This disconnect lefty LIVs have between who they vote for and the policies they actually want is insane.
The government is trying to force you to buy one instead of an ICE (or just go without).
But "muh sacred democracy!"
This disconnect lefty LIVs have between who they vote for and the policies they actually want is insane.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 23, 2024 11:33 AM (oZhjI)
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152 And plastic ducks on the dashboard?
Gay.
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I saw that a couple of days ago. WTF?
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM (c711F)
I'm told it is a "Jeep thing". Gay. Definitely Gay.
Gay.
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I saw that a couple of days ago. WTF?
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM (c711F)
I'm told it is a "Jeep thing". Gay. Definitely Gay.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 23, 2024 11:33 AM (N39Ws)
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Even 20 minutes of my time is worth more than a full 42 gallon tank of diesel in my truck.
Posted by: Defenestratus at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (CZIxn)
42 gallons of diesel is $150 ish. Which means you value your time at $450 an hour. I’d redo that math again.
Posted by: Defenestratus at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (CZIxn)
42 gallons of diesel is $150 ish. Which means you value your time at $450 an hour. I’d redo that math again.
Posted by: News Update at September 23, 2024 11:33 AM (V/ZHY)
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Wut? Are you saying that Ford, GM, etc. are all victims of Musk, and their idiotic choices in their lineups are his fault?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (xCA6C)
I'm saying that the mandates and forced adoption of EV's would never have become a reality if it were not for the fact that Musk ran up billions in debt developing Tesla into a legitimate car company.
All of the legacy auto makers would offer an EV, but they would never be anything more than novelty items for the indoctrinated virtue signal set.
Musk mainstreamed the idea that you could live with the compromises of an EV by essentially turning them into Apple iPhones.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (xCA6C)
I'm saying that the mandates and forced adoption of EV's would never have become a reality if it were not for the fact that Musk ran up billions in debt developing Tesla into a legitimate car company.
All of the legacy auto makers would offer an EV, but they would never be anything more than novelty items for the indoctrinated virtue signal set.
Musk mainstreamed the idea that you could live with the compromises of an EV by essentially turning them into Apple iPhones.
Posted by: Defenestratus at September 23, 2024 11:33 AM (CZIxn)
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Oh Wolfus, so close...
Posted by: The Barrel at September 23, 2024 11:33 AM (PiwSw)
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Why is Hans spelled with an s, but Franz is spelled with a z?
Posted by: BurtTC at September 23, 2024 11:33 AM (dGCAG)
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Old Germans are not buying new cars. Their imported 3rd Worlders won't be either. They need rich Americans to sell to.
Is there an infinite supply of rich Americans?
Old Germans are not buying new cars. Their imported 3rd Worlders won't be either. They need rich Americans to sell to.
Is there an infinite supply of rich Americans?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 23, 2024 11:33 AM (63Dwl)
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Ironically, if EVs have a medium-term future, absent some breakthrough battery tech that makes them broadly more viable, it’s probably as ultra-cheap short-range city cars like the Seagull.
Posted by: Lurker at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (FC8SQ)
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That's the other use case for them, yes, but there are tradeoffs some people don't like. It comes down, largely, to how long you plan to keep a car. If you're a "cycle them out every 5-7 years" kind of person, then it's fine, so long as you're willing to deal with preposterously low resale value.
If you're a "drive it until the wheels fall off" kind of person, it's a bad fit. The low maintenance and operating costs get offset all at once when the pack needs servicing 7-10 years into ownership.
Posted by: Lurker at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (FC8SQ)
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That's the other use case for them, yes, but there are tradeoffs some people don't like. It comes down, largely, to how long you plan to keep a car. If you're a "cycle them out every 5-7 years" kind of person, then it's fine, so long as you're willing to deal with preposterously low resale value.
If you're a "drive it until the wheels fall off" kind of person, it's a bad fit. The low maintenance and operating costs get offset all at once when the pack needs servicing 7-10 years into ownership.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 23, 2024 11:34 AM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 23, 2024 11:34 AM (a3Q+t)
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Dude, Astoria has some very interesting tittie bars. Then there's the hippies.
One of my former bosses is a retired Coast Guard CPO, and she mentioned that there is a bar in Astoria that has been off-limits to Coasties for decades.
One of my former bosses is a retired Coast Guard CPO, and she mentioned that there is a bar in Astoria that has been off-limits to Coasties for decades.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:34 AM (uxCna)
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Why is Hans spelled with an s, but Franz is spelled with a z?
Posted by: BurtTC
*Hans and Franz want to 'clap!' pump you up!*
Posted by: BurtTC
*Hans and Franz want to 'clap!' pump you up!*
Posted by: Tonypete at September 23, 2024 11:35 AM (WXNFJ)
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Zelensky is showing his path to end the war to both sides this week.
1. Give me more money.
2. NATO should engage in a proxy war with Russia, by firing NATO missiles using NATO targeting deep into Russia. This will force Russia to surrender.
3. No peace negotiations until Russia has withdrawn to its 1991 borders, including Crimea.
4. Purely coincidentally, no elections in Ukraine until Russia has withdrawn to its 1991 borders, including Crimea.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (uxCna)
Sure. And all this time, I shall be making sweet love to my wife, Morgan Fairchild.
1. Give me more money.
2. NATO should engage in a proxy war with Russia, by firing NATO missiles using NATO targeting deep into Russia. This will force Russia to surrender.
3. No peace negotiations until Russia has withdrawn to its 1991 borders, including Crimea.
4. Purely coincidentally, no elections in Ukraine until Russia has withdrawn to its 1991 borders, including Crimea.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (uxCna)
Sure. And all this time, I shall be making sweet love to my wife, Morgan Fairchild.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 23, 2024 11:35 AM (dGCAG)
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If you can get past the absolute garbage layout of this site there's plenty of info on tropical weather... specifically the strengthening tropical storm in the Caribbean.
Site looks like an old ad for Fry's Electronics.
https://tinyurl.com/5xt2mrfm
Site looks like an old ad for Fry's Electronics.
https://tinyurl.com/5xt2mrfm
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 11:35 AM (Q4IgG)
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170 Why is Hans spelled with an s, but Franz is spelled with a z?
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What happens in Sprocket, stays in Sprocket.
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What happens in Sprocket, stays in Sprocket.
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 23, 2024 11:35 AM (c711F)
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Pudinhead and Bulgaroctonus : happy anniversary to you and your respective spouses
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 23, 2024 11:35 AM (YdxrQ)
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Ironically, if EVs have a medium-term future, absent some breakthrough battery tech that makes them broadly more viable, it’s probably as ultra-cheap short-range city cars like the Seagull.
Posted by: Lurker at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (FC8SQ)
They're called golf carts, and that market is saturated, where the best options are, get this, ICE options.
Posted by: Lurker at September 23, 2024 11:30 AM (FC8SQ)
They're called golf carts, and that market is saturated, where the best options are, get this, ICE options.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 11:35 AM (i24o9)
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I'm saying that the mandates and forced adoption of EV's would never have become a reality if it were not for the fact that Musk ran up billions in debt developing Tesla into a legitimate car company.
That's just nonsense. EVs have been an obsession for the greens for decades.
That's just nonsense. EVs have been an obsession for the greens for decades.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2024 11:35 AM (xCA6C)
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As a retired mechanical engineer who has owned 3 German cars I must admit to NOT being impressed with German Engineering. If it CAN be over engineered, it WILL be over engineered. The exception being Volkswagens prior to the Rabbit.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 23, 2024
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If the 23rd Century Germans build the Starship Enterprise, Scotty will have to remove both of the engine nacelles to change the dilithium crystals every 20,000 light years.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 23, 2024
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If the 23rd Century Germans build the Starship Enterprise, Scotty will have to remove both of the engine nacelles to change the dilithium crystals every 20,000 light years.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:35 AM (J2vNu)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 23, 2024 11:36 AM (L/fGl)
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Can we just be honest though and say Rasmussen is probably never going to say Trump is behind?
I dont trust the MSM polls either fwiw.
Posted by: Blago at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM
He seems pretty honest, but polling Pennsylvania could be a nightmare. Anywhere from +10 to -10 for Trump and every number in between.
Can we just be honest though and say Rasmussen is probably never going to say Trump is behind?
I dont trust the MSM polls either fwiw.
Posted by: Blago at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM
He seems pretty honest, but polling Pennsylvania could be a nightmare. Anywhere from +10 to -10 for Trump and every number in between.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 23, 2024 11:36 AM (RKVpM)
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163 As a retired mechanical engineer who has owned 3 German cars I must admit to NOT being impressed with German Engineering. If it CAN be over engineered, it WILL be over engineered. The exception being Volkswagens prior to the Rabbit.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (kzHlT)
My first of many German cars was a used 540 wagon. I love those things. About 3 months after buying it I needed a wheel bearing replaced. Cost was $450. This was 20ish years ago when $450 was a decent sum of money. That was my introduction to how everything is way over engineered on those cars and even the slightest repair is hours and hours of labor.
But here I am 20 years later and I’ve owned probably 10 more of them. lol. I’m a glutton for punishment.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (kzHlT)
My first of many German cars was a used 540 wagon. I love those things. About 3 months after buying it I needed a wheel bearing replaced. Cost was $450. This was 20ish years ago when $450 was a decent sum of money. That was my introduction to how everything is way over engineered on those cars and even the slightest repair is hours and hours of labor.
But here I am 20 years later and I’ve owned probably 10 more of them. lol. I’m a glutton for punishment.
Posted by: News Update at September 23, 2024 11:36 AM (V/ZHY)
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174 Dude, Astoria has some very interesting tittie bars. Then there's the hippies.
One of my former bosses is a retired Coast Guard CPO, and she mentioned that there is a bar in Astoria that has been off-limits to Coasties for decades.
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Do you remember the name? I might go back.
One of my former bosses is a retired Coast Guard CPO, and she mentioned that there is a bar in Astoria that has been off-limits to Coasties for decades.
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Do you remember the name? I might go back.
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 23, 2024 11:37 AM (c711F)
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131 Anyone who buys a new Jeep is out of their minds.
Any Stellantis product right now is doomed. Their CEO is a legitimate moron who has no idea about market forces in play right now. Paying $60k for a Jeep Wranlger Rubicon is just NOT happening.
Then there's the Grand Wagoneer. Can you imagine spending $120k on a giant Fiat 500? Thats what it is.
Any Stellantis product right now is doomed. Their CEO is a legitimate moron who has no idea about market forces in play right now. Paying $60k for a Jeep Wranlger Rubicon is just NOT happening.
Then there's the Grand Wagoneer. Can you imagine spending $120k on a giant Fiat 500? Thats what it is.
Posted by: Defenestratus at September 23, 2024 11:37 AM (CZIxn)
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Musk mainstreamed the idea that you could live with the compromises of an EV by essentially turning them into Apple iPhones.
Posted by: Defenestratus at September 23, 2024 11:33 AM (CZIxn)
And as Musk looks to mainstream the idea and offshore production in China for the mass market, that one true diehard market - the status symbol set - will look elsewhere.
Posted by: Defenestratus at September 23, 2024 11:33 AM (CZIxn)
And as Musk looks to mainstream the idea and offshore production in China for the mass market, that one true diehard market - the status symbol set - will look elsewhere.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 11:38 AM (i24o9)
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And we have a cone:
https://tinyurl.com/598pf4uf
For the record, two weeks ago, Joe Bastardi, the meteorologist that the climate alarmists love to hate, posted on X that development of a tropical cyclone looked favorable for this week and alerted Gov. DeSantis about it.
Posted by: one hour sober
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Still just depression. Even then Georgia will probably have more issues (flooding).
https://tinyurl.com/598pf4uf
For the record, two weeks ago, Joe Bastardi, the meteorologist that the climate alarmists love to hate, posted on X that development of a tropical cyclone looked favorable for this week and alerted Gov. DeSantis about it.
Posted by: one hour sober
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Still just depression. Even then Georgia will probably have more issues (flooding).
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 23, 2024 11:38 AM (/lPRQ)
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I wonder if the relentless pushing of EV isn't working though. I see so many EV and hybrids lately, albeit, I like in the PNW.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at September 23, 2024 11:38 AM (xcxpd)
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Apparently the ARC of History bends toward the Barrel.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 23, 2024 11:38 AM (ZANHd)
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One of my former bosses is a retired Coast Guard CPO, and she mentioned that there is a bar in Astoria that has been off-limits to Coasties for decades.
Annie's?
Annie's?
Posted by: Tonypete at September 23, 2024 11:38 AM (WXNFJ)
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This is the kind of story that Ace may post about later, but the Mark Robinson thing stinks to me like a carefully orchestrated smear to try to destroy a reasonably popular black MAGA Republican. So far, only CNN has reported on it. Surely we can trust CNN, right?
I have no idea if the story is true or not. I'm highly skeptical, however, that anyone comments on porn sites using their real name. Especially not anyone with careers or reputations to protect.
I have no idea if the story is true or not. I'm highly skeptical, however, that anyone comments on porn sites using their real name. Especially not anyone with careers or reputations to protect.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 23, 2024 11:39 AM (iFTx/)
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Rasmussen the company is no longer run by Scott Rasmussen and hasn’t been for a long time. He was pushed out by investors. I think sometime in 2015.
Posted by: News Update at September 23, 2024 11:39 AM (V/ZHY)
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Infinite supply of rich Americans? Compared to rich Europeans, hell yes. Europe is done. Carrion men groaning for burial.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 23, 2024 11:39 AM (wBaIH)
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If you can get past the absolute garbage layout of this site there's plenty of info on tropical weather... specifically the strengthening tropical storm in the Caribbean.
Site looks like an old ad for Fry's Electronics.
https://tinyurl.com/5xt2mrfm
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 1
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Lotta useful info, though. There's another "tropical wave" out between Africa and the Cape Verde Islands. If it forms into anything, it'll have the whole width of the Atlantic to feed on as it comes west.
Site looks like an old ad for Fry's Electronics.
https://tinyurl.com/5xt2mrfm
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 1
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Lotta useful info, though. There's another "tropical wave" out between Africa and the Cape Verde Islands. If it forms into anything, it'll have the whole width of the Atlantic to feed on as it comes west.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:39 AM (J2vNu)
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Already legal to drive golf carts on the road in NJ:
LSV carts in New Jersey must have headlights, turn signals, parking breaks, seatbelts, and rearview mirrors. They must be battery operated and cannot drive on roadways with speed limits that exceed 25 mph. This includes the shoulder or service roads.
LSV carts in New Jersey must have headlights, turn signals, parking breaks, seatbelts, and rearview mirrors. They must be battery operated and cannot drive on roadways with speed limits that exceed 25 mph. This includes the shoulder or service roads.
Posted by: someguy at September 23, 2024 11:39 AM (KlGsH)
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For storm followers and weather freaks Mike's Weather Page is a good source. They have a bit of everything.
https://tinyurl.com/37pjpruy
https://tinyurl.com/37pjpruy
Posted by: javems at September 23, 2024 11:39 AM (8I4hW)
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Theoretically the auto bigs should be able to crush Tesla. The lack of demand is why they won't. There is no economy of scale. This helps Tesla. It hurts X/twitter by the way. Only the Gov can afford to "own" X as a tool.
X is a stupid name too.
X is a stupid name too.
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at September 23, 2024 11:39 AM (Z8Yh2)
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As long as it continues to bear north and not northwest . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (J2vNu)
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Yes. I'm at the extreme western end of the FL panhandle. Was pretty nervous over those initial model runs a couple of days ago.
Feeling better now.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (J2vNu)
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Yes. I'm at the extreme western end of the FL panhandle. Was pretty nervous over those initial model runs a couple of days ago.
Feeling better now.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024 11:40 AM (Y1sOo)
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Lotta useful info, though. There's another "tropical wave" out between Africa and the Cape Verde Islands. If it forms into anything, it'll have the whole width of the Atlantic to feed on as it comes west.
Africa is the source of all our hurricane problems. Has anyone checked the Sahara for Joo weather-control bases?
Africa is the source of all our hurricane problems. Has anyone checked the Sahara for Joo weather-control bases?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2024 11:40 AM (xCA6C)
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$50M door handles.
I hope those laid off employees know how to grow a lot of food in their back yard.
I hope those laid off employees know how to grow a lot of food in their back yard.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 23, 2024 11:40 AM (Rbu5d)
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It's Mr. Bean's fault.
https://is.gd/WUmeWt
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 23, 2024 11:36 AM (L/fGl)
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Atkinson's degree is in electrical engineering, so he is, oddly enough, someone with the expertise to comment.
https://is.gd/WUmeWt
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 23, 2024 11:36 AM (L/fGl)
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Atkinson's degree is in electrical engineering, so he is, oddly enough, someone with the expertise to comment.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 23, 2024 11:40 AM (VdhcA)
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192 One of my former bosses is a retired Coast Guard CPO, and she mentioned that there is a bar in Astoria that has been off-limits to Coasties for decades.
Annie's?
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Annie's was in an old house on the major road downtown, rite?
Annie's?
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Annie's was in an old house on the major road downtown, rite?
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 23, 2024 11:41 AM (c711F)
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2 Why bother restarting?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 23, 2024 11:00 AM (0eaV
They won't.
It's merely marketing, CYA, and letting the greenies know their are still kowtowing.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 23, 2024 11:00 AM (0eaV
They won't.
It's merely marketing, CYA, and letting the greenies know their are still kowtowing.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 23, 2024 11:41 AM (Rbu5d)
206
If the 23rd Century Germans build the Starship Enterprise, Scotty will have to remove both of the engine nacelles to change the dilithium crystals every 20,000 light years.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:35 AM (J2vNu)
Hey, that was our idea!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:35 AM (J2vNu)
Hey, that was our idea!
Posted by: Ferrari at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM (VGRuw)
207
Someone should make an auto that eschews all the electronic gadgets. Manual windows, stick shift, no engine computer, etc. sell it at a price point of about $10k.
It will dominate the market.
It will dominate the market.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM (ufFY8)
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As a retired mechanical engineer who has owned 3 German cars I must admit to NOT being impressed with German Engineering. If it CAN be over engineered, it WILL be over engineered. The exception being Volkswagens prior to the Rabbit.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (kzHlT)
You'd appreciate the marvel of a Suzuki Samuri I saw this weekend with a VW TDI in it. All hand-built, very clean. 40 MPG, he says.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 23, 2024 11:32 AM (kzHlT)
You'd appreciate the marvel of a Suzuki Samuri I saw this weekend with a VW TDI in it. All hand-built, very clean. 40 MPG, he says.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM (i24o9)
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"Someone should make an auto that eschews all the electronic gadgets. Manual windows, stick shift, no engine computer, etc. sell it at a price point of about $10k."
Would buy.
Would buy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM (IHRQq)
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209 "Someone should make an auto that eschews all the electronic gadgets. Manual windows, stick shift, no engine computer, etc. sell it at a price point of about $10k."
Would buy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM (IHRQq)
Endorsed
Would buy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM (IHRQq)
Endorsed
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM (xcxpd)
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5 If you want to know why new car prices are through the roof, it's because all of the auto manufacturers were using increased prices in ICE vehicles to cover for their losses in EV R&D and sales.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:02 AM (XV/Pl)
Local billboard, 2023: F-150, $20k
Same billboard, 2024: F-150, $34k
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:02 AM (XV/Pl)
Local billboard, 2023: F-150, $20k
Same billboard, 2024: F-150, $34k
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM (Rbu5d)
212
Europe is done. Carrion men groaning for burial.
Somebody just wrote a study for the EU noting how sclerotic Europe has become.
There has not been a large new company founded in Europe in at least fifty years.
The average quality of European universities is good, but there are no longer any truly elite universities in Europe.
And so on...
Yeah, they are coasting on past glories, waiting for the new owners to take political control of their countries.
Somebody just wrote a study for the EU noting how sclerotic Europe has become.
There has not been a large new company founded in Europe in at least fifty years.
The average quality of European universities is good, but there are no longer any truly elite universities in Europe.
And so on...
Yeah, they are coasting on past glories, waiting for the new owners to take political control of their countries.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM (uxCna)
213
149
‘ Crippling Port Strike Paralyzes The East Coast
"… destroy Kamala's election chances. ’
So, Camela gets shitcanned and only the East Coast suffers?
Boy, I sure hope that doesn’t happen.
‘ Crippling Port Strike Paralyzes The East Coast
"… destroy Kamala's election chances. ’
So, Camela gets shitcanned and only the East Coast suffers?
Boy, I sure hope that doesn’t happen.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM (jbnUc)
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"Someone should make an auto that eschews all the electronic gadgets. Manual windows, stick shift, no engine computer, etc. sell it at a price point of about $10k."
Would buy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM (IHRQq)
Endorsed
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM (xcxpd)
Thirded.
Would buy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM (IHRQq)
Endorsed
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM (xcxpd)
Thirded.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM (i24o9)
215
Turns out we didn't want the electric vehicles that we never said we wanted.
Would make a good MBA case study.
Would make a good MBA case study.
Posted by: t-bird at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM (DKHqY)
216
My point bringing up Golf Carts, the USA already went through wrenching energy supply issues and embargoes on Petroleum 50 years ago. The problems were studied at length, by very smart people.
Most of our problems are actually regulatory. Self-induced, because of inherent contradictions built into our systems, by political illiterates, innumerates, sex perverts, sandal wearers, vegetarians, fruititarians and other undesirables.
Most of our problems are actually regulatory. Self-induced, because of inherent contradictions built into our systems, by political illiterates, innumerates, sex perverts, sandal wearers, vegetarians, fruititarians and other undesirables.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 23, 2024 11:44 AM (oN30K)
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"Someone should make an auto that eschews all the electronic gadgets. Manual windows, stick shift, no engine computer, etc. sell it at a price point of about $10k."
Would buy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM (IHRQq)
Endorsed
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM (xcxpd)
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Would it have cup holders?
Would buy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM (IHRQq)
Endorsed
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM (xcxpd)
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Would it have cup holders?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 23, 2024 11:44 AM (VdhcA)
218
If the 23rd Century Germans build the Starship Enterprise, Scotty will have to remove both of the engine nacelles to change the dilithium crystals every 20,000 light years.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024
*
Hey, that was our idea!
Posted by: Ferrari at September 23, 2024
***
If the Italians build it, it will look gorgeous, the music in the ship's theatre will be astonishing, and the galley will have *fantastic* food. The reliability, on the other hand . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024
*
Hey, that was our idea!
Posted by: Ferrari at September 23, 2024
***
If the Italians build it, it will look gorgeous, the music in the ship's theatre will be astonishing, and the galley will have *fantastic* food. The reliability, on the other hand . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:44 AM (J2vNu)
219
>>Still just depression.
Not really caring what it is now. I care about what it is forecast to become.
As I posted earlier in the morning thread, water temperatures in the eastern Gulf of Mexico right now are 2.0 to 2.5 degrees C above average for this time of year.
That, combined with the high-altitude anticyclone currently sitting above the area of disturbance can lead to some pretty rapid intensification.
Not really caring what it is now. I care about what it is forecast to become.
As I posted earlier in the morning thread, water temperatures in the eastern Gulf of Mexico right now are 2.0 to 2.5 degrees C above average for this time of year.
That, combined with the high-altitude anticyclone currently sitting above the area of disturbance can lead to some pretty rapid intensification.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024 11:44 AM (Y1sOo)
220
"Turns out we didn't want the electric vehicles that we never said we wanted."
Ah ha! But what about our electic mowers and weedeaters?
Ah ha! But what about our electic mowers and weedeaters?
Posted by: Home Despot at September 23, 2024 11:44 AM (IHRQq)
221
The NYT polls showing Trump up in NC, AZ and GA are great, but I want to see the one in Michigan after the endorsement by the Muslim mayor of Hamtramck. The gruesome threesome Whitmer, Nessel and Benson must be crapping themselves after that.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 23, 2024 11:44 AM (YdxrQ)
Posted by: BruceWayne at September 23, 2024 11:44 AM (CIS44)
223
Turns out we didn't want the electric vehicles that we never said we never wanted.
Would make a good MBA case study.
Posted by: t-bird at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM (DKHqY)
FIFY
Would make a good MBA case study.
Posted by: t-bird at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM (DKHqY)
FIFY
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 11:44 AM (i24o9)
224
You'd appreciate the marvel of a Suzuki Samuri I saw this weekend with a VW TDI in it. All hand-built, very clean. 40 MPG, he says.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM
43-44 mpg was the low end, and 46-48 the high end with the TDIs I owned. I really miss them.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM
43-44 mpg was the low end, and 46-48 the high end with the TDIs I owned. I really miss them.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 23, 2024 11:45 AM (a3Q+t)
225
Site looks like an old ad for Fry's Electronics.
https://tinyurl.com/5xt2mrfm
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 1
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Sorry, to busy opening Mike's that I didn't see your link. Great sight.
https://tinyurl.com/5xt2mrfm
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 1
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Sorry, to busy opening Mike's that I didn't see your link. Great sight.
Posted by: javems at September 23, 2024 11:45 AM (8I4hW)
226
Annie's?
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Annie's was in an old house on the major road downtown, rite?
Posted by: Pudinhead
Maybeeeee. . . . . LOL
Yes.
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Annie's was in an old house on the major road downtown, rite?
Posted by: Pudinhead
Maybeeeee. . . . . LOL
Yes.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 23, 2024 11:45 AM (WXNFJ)
227
Would it have cup holders?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 23, 2024 11:44 AM (VdhcA)
Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.
Let's not get carried away.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 23, 2024 11:44 AM (VdhcA)
Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.
Let's not get carried away.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 11:45 AM (i24o9)
228
132 "He talked smack on the internet. He called himself a black Nazi. He said that some people deserved to be slaves. It's all, apparently, 14 years old or older, though. He's lost staff over it over the last few days."
I think it's more damming he logged into a porn site with his real name. That's just sloppy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (IHRQq)
All "allegedly" - as of now (unless I missed something), like the Trump hits, NO ONE has gone on the record for any of the "facts" of the allegations.
NC should be rallying around Robinson b/c he's obviously one of us with a hit job this big. Door-to-door, turn out the vote work for him and Trump...
I think it's more damming he logged into a porn site with his real name. That's just sloppy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (IHRQq)
All "allegedly" - as of now (unless I missed something), like the Trump hits, NO ONE has gone on the record for any of the "facts" of the allegations.
NC should be rallying around Robinson b/c he's obviously one of us with a hit job this big. Door-to-door, turn out the vote work for him and Trump...
Posted by: Nova Local at September 23, 2024 11:45 AM (exHjb)
229
Someone should make an auto that eschews all the electronic gadgets. Manual windows, stick shift, no engine computer, etc. sell it at a price point of about $10k
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Yeah, that's illegal. Remember?
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Yeah, that's illegal. Remember?
Posted by: Common Tater at September 23, 2024 11:45 AM (oN30K)
230
The average quality of European universities is good, but there are no longer any truly elite universities in Europe.
It's very hard for them to get good quarterbacks.
It's very hard for them to get good quarterbacks.
Posted by: t-bird at September 23, 2024 11:46 AM (DKHqY)
231
@134
>>And plastic ducks on the dashboard?
The plastic duck thing is a very recent phenomenon and there is not a single one of those stupid things in my rig.
>>And plastic ducks on the dashboard?
The plastic duck thing is a very recent phenomenon and there is not a single one of those stupid things in my rig.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:46 AM (XV/Pl)
232
Would it have cup holders?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 23, 2024 11:44 AM (VdhcA)
Fuck the cup holders if it adds more than a penny to the cost.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 23, 2024 11:44 AM (VdhcA)
Fuck the cup holders if it adds more than a penny to the cost.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 23, 2024 11:46 AM (ufFY8)
233
So, Camela gets shitcanned and only the East Coast suffers?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM
TBF, the quality of their salsa is poor, at best.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM
TBF, the quality of their salsa is poor, at best.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 23, 2024 11:46 AM (a3Q+t)
234
Someone should make an auto that eschews all the electronic gadgets. Manual windows, stick shift, no engine computer, etc. sell it at a price point of about $10k."
Never gonna happen. The gadgets is where the highest margins are.
Never gonna happen. The gadgets is where the highest margins are.
Posted by: News Update at September 23, 2024 11:46 AM (V/ZHY)
235
Manual windows, stick shift, no engine computer, etc. sell it at a price point of about $10k.
No thanks. EFI is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
No thanks. EFI is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Posted by: spindrift at September 23, 2024 11:46 AM (OguvZ)
236
"Someone should make an auto that eschews all the electronic gadgets. Manual windows, stick shift, no engine computer, etc. sell it at a price point of about $10k."
Would buy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024
*
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Would it have cup holders?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 23, 2024
***
No. The European model is the ideal: Stop at a cafe, drink your espresso, then get out on the autobahn and DRIVE LIKE HELL!!!
(Personally I like the autobox in a car, and electric windows to let all the hot air out after it's been parked.)
Would buy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024
*
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Would it have cup holders?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 23, 2024
***
No. The European model is the ideal: Stop at a cafe, drink your espresso, then get out on the autobahn and DRIVE LIKE HELL!!!
(Personally I like the autobox in a car, and electric windows to let all the hot air out after it's been parked.)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 11:46 AM (J2vNu)
237
43-44 mpg was the low end, and 46-48 the high end with the TDIs I owned. I really miss them.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 23, 2024 11:45 AM (a3Q+t)
Yeah, big tires, mostly off-road use 40 MPG. Something like that would put the Jeep Wrangler line rightfully in its grave.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 23, 2024 11:45 AM (a3Q+t)
Yeah, big tires, mostly off-road use 40 MPG. Something like that would put the Jeep Wrangler line rightfully in its grave.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 11:46 AM (i24o9)
238
Watching Mark Dice on Kamala's Oprah interview. This woman is so terrifically uninspiring.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:47 AM (iFMeW)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 11:47 AM (Q4IgG)
240
Yeah, they are coasting on past glories, waiting for the new owners to take political control of their countries.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM (uxCna)
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That's not going to turn out well for the native populations...
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM (uxCna)
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That's not going to turn out well for the native populations...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 23, 2024 11:47 AM (7fElN)
241
26...Their "Lucid Air" model (? WTF is with these names) ...
Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM (JCZqz)
All the good names are taken.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM (JCZqz)
All the good names are taken.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 23, 2024 11:48 AM (Rbu5d)
242
@220
>>Ah ha! But what about our electic mowers and weedeaters?
Or electric tractors, and before you scoff, there electric tractors.
Which is pretty much a ludicrous concept.
>>Ah ha! But what about our electic mowers and weedeaters?
Or electric tractors, and before you scoff, there electric tractors.
Which is pretty much a ludicrous concept.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:48 AM (XV/Pl)
243
207 Someone should make an auto that eschews all the electronic gadgets. Manual windows, stick shift, no engine computer, etc. sell it at a price point of about $10k.
It will dominate the market.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 23, 2024
Ford said they were going to do that with the Maverick pick ups. They were supposed to be like the old school Ranger pickups. Basic transportation for around the $15,000 mark. They screwed that up and now they are pushing $28+.
Idiots.
It will dominate the market.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 23, 2024
Ford said they were going to do that with the Maverick pick ups. They were supposed to be like the old school Ranger pickups. Basic transportation for around the $15,000 mark. They screwed that up and now they are pushing $28+.
Idiots.
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 23, 2024 11:48 AM (+oR7L)
244
"Someone should make an auto that eschews all the electronic gadgets. Manual windows, stick shift, no engine computer, etc. sell it at a price point of about $10k."
Would buy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM (IHRQq)
Well, that's not gong to happen. But they keep promising no frills pickups, both Toyota and Nissan. Selling them in the low 20s.
Would buy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM (IHRQq)
Well, that's not gong to happen. But they keep promising no frills pickups, both Toyota and Nissan. Selling them in the low 20s.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 23, 2024 11:48 AM (dGCAG)
245
Their "Lucid Air" model (? WTF is with these names) ...
Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM (JCZqz)
All the good names are taken.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 23, 2024 11:48 AM (Rbu5d)
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Wait until they get to Marshmallow Xylophone.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 23, 2024 11:09 AM (JCZqz)
All the good names are taken.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 23, 2024 11:48 AM (Rbu5d)
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Wait until they get to Marshmallow Xylophone.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 23, 2024 11:49 AM (VdhcA)
246
Site looks like an old ad for Fry's Electronics.
https://tinyurl.com/5xt2mrfm
Posted by: Martini Farmer
What in the world...? I love it. I need to buy a 64-inch montior for that site.
https://tinyurl.com/5xt2mrfm
Posted by: Martini Farmer
What in the world...? I love it. I need to buy a 64-inch montior for that site.
Posted by: t-bird at September 23, 2024 11:49 AM (KtPtl)
247
@212 Europe is done because they got fat , stupid and lazy. We protected them via NATO and they did not independent thinking. That when combined with the slaughter of the two world wars caused them to be running on fumes
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 23, 2024 11:50 AM (YdxrQ)
248
With the likely defeat of the Biden-Harris administration in a few weeks, and the subsequent dismantling of the EV agenda and mandates, VW has an opportunity to re-focus on selling great German-engineered cars, powered by gasoline, and assembled right here in the United States. It even has an available plant to use for that purpose.
I wonder if automakers have any idea which way to aim their resources. Voter sentiment indicates a Trump landslide win, but opinion poll manipulations indicate a plan for a massive cheat.
I wonder if automakers have any idea which way to aim their resources. Voter sentiment indicates a Trump landslide win, but opinion poll manipulations indicate a plan for a massive cheat.
Posted by: Emmie at September 23, 2024 11:51 AM (cSvoa)
249
Yeah, they are coasting on past glories, waiting for the new owners to take political control of their countries.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM
We're right here, you know.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:43 AM
We're right here, you know.
Posted by: The Ivy League at September 23, 2024 11:51 AM (ZANHd)
250
@243
>>Ford said they were going to do that with the Maverick pick ups. They were supposed to be like the old school Ranger pickups. Basic transportation for around the $15,000 mark. They screwed that up and now they are pushing $28+. Idiots.
The pitched it as a sub 20k truck at roughly 19k for the basic model.
Good luck trying to find a new one for sub 35k.
And now they are going to make the Tremor Maverick that is going to be north of 40k and probably just under 50k OTD with market adjustments and dealer add-ons.
>>Ford said they were going to do that with the Maverick pick ups. They were supposed to be like the old school Ranger pickups. Basic transportation for around the $15,000 mark. They screwed that up and now they are pushing $28+. Idiots.
The pitched it as a sub 20k truck at roughly 19k for the basic model.
Good luck trying to find a new one for sub 35k.
And now they are going to make the Tremor Maverick that is going to be north of 40k and probably just under 50k OTD with market adjustments and dealer add-ons.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 11:51 AM (XV/Pl)
251
Europe is done because they got fat , stupid and lazy. We protected them via NATO and they did not independent thinking. That when combined with the slaughter of the two world wars caused them to be running on fumes
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 23, 2024 11:50 AM (YdxrQ)
Pretty accurate. It's the "diverse" public assistance culture of geopolitics.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 23, 2024 11:50 AM (YdxrQ)
Pretty accurate. It's the "diverse" public assistance culture of geopolitics.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 11:51 AM (i24o9)
252
Imagine a world where people were being told to move to overly complicated and unreliable EVs and EV charging systems at the same time that the build quality of every single thing is going to crap.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Feminism has failed you and your kids, patriarchy is the only thing that works at September 23, 2024 11:51 AM (7Dy6w)
253
230 The average quality of European universities is good, but there are no longer any truly elite universities in Europe.
It's very hard for them to get good quarterbacks.
indeed. the euro skips from 20 cents to 50 cents, totally missing the quarter. can't get your quarter back if you never had one to begin with.
It's very hard for them to get good quarterbacks.
indeed. the euro skips from 20 cents to 50 cents, totally missing the quarter. can't get your quarter back if you never had one to begin with.
Posted by: anachronda at September 23, 2024 11:52 AM (sGtp+)
254
Straight north through the Yucatan Channel, then curving to the northeast making landfall at the Big Ben area.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024 11:11 AM (Y1sOo)
London's going to get a hurricane!!??!
Blimey!!
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024 11:11 AM (Y1sOo)
London's going to get a hurricane!!??!
Blimey!!
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 23, 2024 11:52 AM (Rbu5d)
255
My 2013 Nissan Frontier is very basic. Hand-crank windows, no cruise control, six-speed manual 4X4, no electric locks. I love it. It does have AC and a CD player though. I'm not entirely a luddite.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 23, 2024 11:52 AM (xPJvm)
256
Ford said they were going to do that with the Maverick pick ups. They were supposed to be like the old school Ranger pickups. Basic transportation for around the $15,000 mark. They screwed that up and now they are pushing $28+
-
(looks at inflation)
Well, it turns out...
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(looks at inflation)
Well, it turns out...
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Feminism has failed you and your kids, patriarchy is the only thing that works at September 23, 2024 11:52 AM (7Dy6w)
257
You can’t force a market to exist.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
Hold our beers.
Posted by: Progressives
This is a peach White Claw.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
Hold our beers.
Posted by: Progressives
This is a peach White Claw.
Posted by: mikeski at September 23, 2024 11:52 AM (Vk09E)
258
VW needs to bring back the GTi. Make it manual only too.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)
VW needs to bring back the 1967 Transporter, with 12 volt electrics and the 1600 cc flat four. Put a 20,000 dollar price tag on hem, and watch them fly off the lot.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)
VW needs to bring back the 1967 Transporter, with 12 volt electrics and the 1600 cc flat four. Put a 20,000 dollar price tag on hem, and watch them fly off the lot.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 23, 2024 11:53 AM (Q87aE)
259
I've had an electric self propelled lawn mower for a month or two now and while it is one helluva lot cheaper to run then gas powered it has a lot of issues;
tall grass - bad
wet grass - bad
battery life - not great
But if the shit ever hits the fan I'd be in a really bad place if I couldn't keep a buffer between my house and the couple hundred acres of field around me. So it's insurance mainly.
I've had an electric self propelled lawn mower for a month or two now and while it is one helluva lot cheaper to run then gas powered it has a lot of issues;
tall grass - bad
wet grass - bad
battery life - not great
But if the shit ever hits the fan I'd be in a really bad place if I couldn't keep a buffer between my house and the couple hundred acres of field around me. So it's insurance mainly.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 23, 2024 11:53 AM (RKVpM)
260
Ford said they were going to do that with the Maverick pick ups. They were supposed to be like the old school Ranger pickups. Basic transportation for around the $15,000 mark. They screwed that up and now they are pushing $28+.
Idiots.
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 23, 2024 11:48 AM (+oR7L)
Well, it's Frod. Expecting them to put out a decent vehicle is like waiting for Dinsey to get Star Wars right.
Idiots.
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 23, 2024 11:48 AM (+oR7L)
Well, it's Frod. Expecting them to put out a decent vehicle is like waiting for Dinsey to get Star Wars right.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 23, 2024 11:53 AM (dGCAG)
261
VW needs to bring back the 1967 Transporter, with 12 volt electrics and the 1600 cc flat four. Put a 20,000 dollar price tag on hem, and watch them fly off the lot.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 23, 2024 11:53 AM (Q87aE)
Would.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 23, 2024 11:53 AM (Q87aE)
Would.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 11:53 AM (i24o9)
262
Someone should make an auto that eschews all the electronic gadgets. Manual windows, stick shift, no engine computer, etc. sell it at a price point of about $10k.
It will dominate the market.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 23, 2024
Ford said they were going to do that with the Maverick pick ups. They were supposed to be like the old school Ranger pickups. Basic transportation for around the $15,000 mark. They screwed that up and now they are pushing $28+.
Idiots.
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 23, 2024 11:48 AM (+oR7L)
_____
Two responses:
1. It's almost impossible for a cheap, no-frills vehicle to meet regulatory requirements.
2. No matter how many times someone says "a really cheap basic vehicle would dominate the market," and no matter how many times a company tries to sell a lesser-frills vehicle, the market always rejects it.
It will dominate the market.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 23, 2024
Ford said they were going to do that with the Maverick pick ups. They were supposed to be like the old school Ranger pickups. Basic transportation for around the $15,000 mark. They screwed that up and now they are pushing $28+.
Idiots.
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 23, 2024 11:48 AM (+oR7L)
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Two responses:
1. It's almost impossible for a cheap, no-frills vehicle to meet regulatory requirements.
2. No matter how many times someone says "a really cheap basic vehicle would dominate the market," and no matter how many times a company tries to sell a lesser-frills vehicle, the market always rejects it.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 23, 2024 11:53 AM (iFTx/)
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250 And now they are going to make the Tremor Maverick that is going to be north of 40k and probably just under 50k OTD with market adjustments and dealer add-ons.
c.h.u.d. maverick > tremor maverick
c.h.u.d. maverick > tremor maverick
Posted by: anachronda at September 23, 2024 11:54 AM (sGtp+)
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 23, 2024 11:55 AM (ShfwY)
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Beirut is is flames
Posted by: ... at September 23, 2024 11:55 AM (lX8VI)
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My 2013 Nissan Frontier is very basic. Hand-crank windows, no cruise control, six-speed manual 4X4, no electric locks. I love it. It does have AC and a CD player though. I'm not entirely a luddite.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 23, 2024 11:52 AM (xPJvm)
I think they made the mistake of trying to compete with the mid sized domestics, and nobody wanted them.
But I did hear they're going back to it, the baseline Frontier, with none of the googahs that make Shitve and Frod trucks suck overpriced pieces of excrement.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 23, 2024 11:52 AM (xPJvm)
I think they made the mistake of trying to compete with the mid sized domestics, and nobody wanted them.
But I did hear they're going back to it, the baseline Frontier, with none of the googahs that make Shitve and Frod trucks suck overpriced pieces of excrement.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 23, 2024 11:55 AM (dGCAG)
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Gunmen On The Run After Leaving 4 Dead, 18 Injured During Targeted ‘Hit’ In Busy Entertainment District, Police Say
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They targeted but didn't aim apparently.
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They targeted but didn't aim apparently.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 23, 2024 11:55 AM (L/fGl)
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Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 11:35 AM (Q4IgG)
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You seem to have changed your tune since the Saturday morning coffee thread.
Welcome aboard.
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You seem to have changed your tune since the Saturday morning coffee thread.
Welcome aboard.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2024 11:56 AM (Y1sOo)
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VW needs to bring back the 1967 Transporter, with 12 volt electrics and the 1600 cc flat four. Put a 20,000 dollar price tag on hem, and watch them fly off the lot.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 23, 2024 11:53 AM (Q87aE)
With 0-60 times over 20 seconds, it won't exactly FLY off the lot...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 23, 2024 11:53 AM (Q87aE)
With 0-60 times over 20 seconds, it won't exactly FLY off the lot...
Posted by: Bacon Jeff at September 23, 2024 11:56 AM (VGRuw)
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Europe is done because they got fat , stupid and lazy.
Europe invented the "precautionary principle", which says that you can't do anything until you prove in advance that doing it is absolutely safe.
Recipe for stagnation.
Europe invented the "precautionary principle", which says that you can't do anything until you prove in advance that doing it is absolutely safe.
Recipe for stagnation.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:56 AM (uxCna)
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I've had an electric self propelled lawn mower for a month or two now and while it is one helluva lot cheaper to run then gas powered it has a lot of issues;
tall grass - bad
wet grass - bad
battery life - not great
But if the shit ever hits the fan I'd be in a really bad place if I couldn't keep a buffer between my house and the couple hundred acres of field around me. So it's insurance mainly.
Posted by: Divide by Zero
I have a plug-in mower with a cord. The hardest part is making sure I don't run over the cord. I did once, but fortunately I was able to disconnect before anything happened.
tall grass - bad
wet grass - bad
battery life - not great
But if the shit ever hits the fan I'd be in a really bad place if I couldn't keep a buffer between my house and the couple hundred acres of field around me. So it's insurance mainly.
Posted by: Divide by Zero
I have a plug-in mower with a cord. The hardest part is making sure I don't run over the cord. I did once, but fortunately I was able to disconnect before anything happened.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 23, 2024 11:57 AM (v6JzV)
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245 All the good names are taken.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 23, 2024 11:48 AM (Rbu5d)
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Wait until they get to Marshmallow Xylophone.
marshmallow xylophone would be a good name for a world of warcraft guild.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 23, 2024 11:48 AM (Rbu5d)
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Wait until they get to Marshmallow Xylophone.
marshmallow xylophone would be a good name for a world of warcraft guild.
Posted by: anachronda at September 23, 2024 11:57 AM (sGtp+)
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I've owned a few VWs, the last being a Mk7 GTI. It was well-made, economical and really fun to drive. I think the Mk7.5 refresh is a slightly better version but the current Mk8 is a huge misstep.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at September 23, 2024 11:58 AM (hCzfy)
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This is a peach White Claw.
Posted by: mikeski at September 23, 2024 11:52 AM
*mag dumps into White Claw*
- Brandon Herrera
Posted by: mikeski at September 23, 2024 11:52 AM
*mag dumps into White Claw*
- Brandon Herrera
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 23, 2024 11:58 AM (HgLIT)
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VW needs to bring back the 1967 Transporter, with 12 volt electrics and the 1600 cc flat four.
VW needs to bring back "The Thing".
VW needs to bring back "The Thing".
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at September 23, 2024 11:58 AM (3zo3R)
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I report the good and the bad with Rasmussen and the Sunday overnight is in:
Trump: 47%
Harris: 49%
https://is.gd/BTpSIe
/ Still looks, on 5 day average Trump +2
I report the good and the bad with Rasmussen and the Sunday overnight is in:
Trump: 47%
Harris: 49%
https://is.gd/BTpSIe
/ Still looks, on 5 day average Trump +2
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 23, 2024 11:58 AM (RKVpM)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 23, 2024 11:58 AM (9gDA7)
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VW needs to bring back "The Thing".
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at September 23, 2024 11:58 AM (3zo3R)
Would. Might.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at September 23, 2024 11:58 AM (3zo3R)
Would. Might.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 11:58 AM (i24o9)
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I meant 'too busy' and 'Great site'. Don't recall what I typed as that was ten minutes ago or so.
Posted by: javems at September 23, 2024 11:58 AM (8I4hW)
Posted by: VEB Sachsenring at September 23, 2024 11:59 AM (xw/ji)
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Zelensky will demand security guarantees from Biden that will not be subject to Trump's influence in the future if he wins the election. This is done to prevent Ukraine from being forced into an unfavorable peace agreement.
How DARE a newly elected American President change the foreign policy of the previous American President!
This will not stand!
How DARE a newly elected American President change the foreign policy of the previous American President!
This will not stand!
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 11:59 AM (uxCna)
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VW could slash up to 30,000 employees in Germany alone.
https://tinyurl.com/yckx3c7v
You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at that.
https://tinyurl.com/yckx3c7v
You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at that.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 23, 2024 11:59 AM (17s+e)
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I think they should change the name from EV to ECV.
ICE = Internal Combustion Engine
ECV = External Combustion Vehicle
ICE = Internal Combustion Engine
ECV = External Combustion Vehicle
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 23, 2024 11:59 AM (9gDA7)
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I report the good and the bad with Rasmussen and the Sunday overnight is in:
Trump: 47%
Harris: 49%
https://is.gd/BTpSIe
/ Still looks, on 5 day average Trump +2
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 23, 2024 11:58 AM (RKVpM)
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Assuming the firm uses rolling groups, one of whom is pretty pro-Kamala, this would be polling the same group that was Kamala +6 a week ago.
I report the good and the bad with Rasmussen and the Sunday overnight is in:
Trump: 47%
Harris: 49%
https://is.gd/BTpSIe
/ Still looks, on 5 day average Trump +2
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 23, 2024 11:58 AM (RKVpM)
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Assuming the firm uses rolling groups, one of whom is pretty pro-Kamala, this would be polling the same group that was Kamala +6 a week ago.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 23, 2024 11:59 AM (GBKbO)
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I think it's more damming he logged into a porn site with his real name. That's just sloppy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (IHRQq)
That could be evidence that this is a hit job. If someone faked a login in order to smear him, they would use his real name.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (IHRQq)
That could be evidence that this is a hit job. If someone faked a login in order to smear him, they would use his real name.
Posted by: Emmie at September 23, 2024 11:59 AM (cSvoa)
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Zelensky will demand security guarantees from Biden that will not be subject to Trump's influence in the future if he wins the election.
That's called a treaty, ratified by the US Senate, Z-man.
Good luck with that.
That's called a treaty, ratified by the US Senate, Z-man.
Good luck with that.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 12:00 PM (uxCna)
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269 VW needs to bring back the 1967 Transporter, with 12 volt electrics and the 1600 cc flat four. Put a 20,000 dollar price tag on hem, and watch them fly off the lot.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 23, 2024 11:53 AM (Q87aE)
With 0-60 times over 20 seconds, it won't exactly FLY off the lot...
oh, yay! an excuse to mention my favorite film car chase of all times.
godzilla vs megalon. our hero gets away from the bad guy, hops into his vw type 3 fastback, punches it. bad guys can't have that, so they jump in their fiat 800 and pursue. car chase ensues, mostly downhill for some reason.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 23, 2024 11:53 AM (Q87aE)
With 0-60 times over 20 seconds, it won't exactly FLY off the lot...
oh, yay! an excuse to mention my favorite film car chase of all times.
godzilla vs megalon. our hero gets away from the bad guy, hops into his vw type 3 fastback, punches it. bad guys can't have that, so they jump in their fiat 800 and pursue. car chase ensues, mostly downhill for some reason.
Posted by: anachronda at September 23, 2024 12:00 PM (sGtp+)
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Great report, Buckmeister!
Posted by: Danimal28 at September 23, 2024 12:00 PM (klw0w)
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All the good names are taken.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 23, 2024 11:48 AM (Rbu5d)
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"Hell no they aint!"
-- Lamborghini (with the Urus, Revuelto, and Temerario)
"Agree!"
-- Ferrari (with the Purosangue)
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 23, 2024 11:48 AM (Rbu5d)
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"Hell no they aint!"
-- Lamborghini (with the Urus, Revuelto, and Temerario)
"Agree!"
-- Ferrari (with the Purosangue)
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 23, 2024 12:00 PM (iFTx/)
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My ex-wife's parents had one of those "conversion" VW bus things... like a camper, but no popup roof.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 12:00 PM (Q4IgG)
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-- Lamborghini (with the Urus, Revuelto, and Temerario)
"Urus" is a great name, would work especially well on a truck.
"Urus" is another name for the "aurochs," the prehistoric ancestor of modern cattle. Badass.
"Urus" is a great name, would work especially well on a truck.
"Urus" is another name for the "aurochs," the prehistoric ancestor of modern cattle. Badass.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 23, 2024 12:02 PM (v6JzV)
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I think it's more damming he logged into a porn site with his real name. That's just sloppy.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (IHRQq)
That could be evidence that this is a hit job. If someone faked a login in order to smear him, they would use his real name.
Posted by: Emmie at September 23, 2024 11:59 AM (cSvoa)
They said Trump org had back channel comms with some Russian bank, Alfanak, IIRC.
Turns out it was some purchased, made up oppo "research" just like the pee tapes. I don't believe any political information that leftist media puts out unless it can be independently verified.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 23, 2024 11:29 AM (IHRQq)
That could be evidence that this is a hit job. If someone faked a login in order to smear him, they would use his real name.
Posted by: Emmie at September 23, 2024 11:59 AM (cSvoa)
They said Trump org had back channel comms with some Russian bank, Alfanak, IIRC.
Turns out it was some purchased, made up oppo "research" just like the pee tapes. I don't believe any political information that leftist media puts out unless it can be independently verified.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 12:02 PM (i24o9)
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VW needs to bring back "The Thing".
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at September 23, 2024
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Aka "the Kubelwagen." Or "Schwimmwagen" -- I think they were built on the same chassis?
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at September 23, 2024
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Aka "the Kubelwagen." Or "Schwimmwagen" -- I think they were built on the same chassis?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 12:02 PM (J2vNu)
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As His 100th Birthday Approaches, Concert Honors Jimmy Carter’s ‘Singular Achievements.’ Like What?
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"Like what?!!!" The Islamic Republic of Iran, that's what!!!
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"Like what?!!!" The Islamic Republic of Iran, that's what!!!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 23, 2024 12:02 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 23, 2024 12:02 PM (v6JzV)
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Feminism has failed you and your kids, patriarchy is the only thing that works at September 23, 2024 12:03 PM (7Dy6w)
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Plus, I've always felt VW's to be shit.
Dated a chick with a Beatle. Garbage. I have always hated that hideous thing.
A chick in HS had a convertible Rabbit. Garbage.
Worked on a 'new' Beatle for a bartender chick once. Garbage.
Not a fan of anything they make, really.
Dated a chick with a Beatle. Garbage. I have always hated that hideous thing.
A chick in HS had a convertible Rabbit. Garbage.
Worked on a 'new' Beatle for a bartender chick once. Garbage.
Not a fan of anything they make, really.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 23, 2024 12:03 PM (9gDA7)
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VW needs to bring back the 1967 Transporter, with 12 volt electrics and the 1600 cc flat four.
VW needs to bring back "The Thing".
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Had a 62 and 63 Westphalia split window. Loved them both. Lots of good camping and surfing times in those rigs.... and it is easier than carrying a mattress on your back IYKWIMAIKYD.
VW needs to bring back "The Thing".
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Had a 62 and 63 Westphalia split window. Loved them both. Lots of good camping and surfing times in those rigs.... and it is easier than carrying a mattress on your back IYKWIMAIKYD.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 23, 2024 12:03 PM (17s+e)
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I like how Hummer decided this is the time to get into the EV market.
The biggest reason people don't buy--and don't retain their EV--is charging anxiety: where is the next charge?
So, a vehicle 1) that "supposed" to take you off-road--far, far away from any charger and 2) where said off-road activity is a huge energy suck?
Damn, how many Ivy League degrees do you need to come up with that brilliance?
The biggest reason people don't buy--and don't retain their EV--is charging anxiety: where is the next charge?
So, a vehicle 1) that "supposed" to take you off-road--far, far away from any charger and 2) where said off-road activity is a huge energy suck?
Damn, how many Ivy League degrees do you need to come up with that brilliance?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 23, 2024 12:03 PM (s+L6B)
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As His 100th Birthday Approaches, Concert Honors Jimmy Carter’s ‘Singular Achievements.’ Like What?
His most significant singular achievement is turning 100 years old.
His most significant singular achievement is turning 100 years old.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 23, 2024 12:04 PM (9gDA7)
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@286
>>Good luck with that.
Trumps 1st impeachment was for him ostensibly holding up arms shipments in order to make ZMan look into The Biden Crime family corruption.
If congress passes some bullshit long term security arrangement, and the donks have the house, and Trump doesn't follow the agreement to the letter of the law, then I can see them impeaching Trump again, and there is a non-zero chance that a Vindman could be one of the impeachment managers.
Although, if the GOP has the Senate, they could do what the Donks did for the Myorkas Impeachment and simply vote that the articles of impeachment are unconstitutional, although I highly doubt the GOP would do that.
>>Good luck with that.
Trumps 1st impeachment was for him ostensibly holding up arms shipments in order to make ZMan look into The Biden Crime family corruption.
If congress passes some bullshit long term security arrangement, and the donks have the house, and Trump doesn't follow the agreement to the letter of the law, then I can see them impeaching Trump again, and there is a non-zero chance that a Vindman could be one of the impeachment managers.
Although, if the GOP has the Senate, they could do what the Donks did for the Myorkas Impeachment and simply vote that the articles of impeachment are unconstitutional, although I highly doubt the GOP would do that.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2024 12:04 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 23, 2024 12:04 PM (v6JzV)
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Assuming the firm uses rolling groups, one of whom is pretty pro-Kamala, this would be polling the same group that was Kamala +6 a week ago.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 23, 2024 11:59 AM
Good point. On the 5 day, you can see Trump pulling away, slow but steady. No wonder Kamala wants another 'debate'.
Assuming the firm uses rolling groups, one of whom is pretty pro-Kamala, this would be polling the same group that was Kamala +6 a week ago.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 23, 2024 11:59 AM
Good point. On the 5 day, you can see Trump pulling away, slow but steady. No wonder Kamala wants another 'debate'.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 23, 2024 12:05 PM (RKVpM)
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Aka "the Kubelwagen." Or "Schwimmwagen" -- I think they were built on the same chassis?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 12:02 PM (J2vNu)
One of the earlier versions of Gran Turismo on the PS featured a license test where you had to navigate the Kubelwagen through a portion of the Top Gear test track.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 12:02 PM (J2vNu)
One of the earlier versions of Gran Turismo on the PS featured a license test where you had to navigate the Kubelwagen through a portion of the Top Gear test track.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 23, 2024 12:05 PM (9gDA7)
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His most significant singular achievement is turning 100 years old.
Is he still whining that he never got to appoint a Supreme Court justice?
Is he still whining that he never got to appoint a Supreme Court justice?
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2024 12:05 PM (uxCna)
Posted by: Big Whoop Goldberg at September 23, 2024 12:05 PM (L/fGl)
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Oh and I guarantee that Hummer EV commercial that shows the driver cutting donuts and shooting rooster tails of dust out in the desert was shot with a diesel generator with charging adapter on-site.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 23, 2024 12:05 PM (s+L6B)
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Had a 62 and 63 Westphalia split window. Loved them both. Lots of good camping and surfing times in those rigs.... and it is easier than carrying a mattress on your back IYKWIMAIKYD.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 23, 2024 12:03 PM (17s+e)
Had a '63 Notchback. 25 MPG. 2.5 quarts of oil, no filter, oil bath air filter. Best college car ever. Drove it from PNW to Silicon Valley and back, as well as Silicon Valley to LA and back.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 23, 2024 12:03 PM (17s+e)
Had a '63 Notchback. 25 MPG. 2.5 quarts of oil, no filter, oil bath air filter. Best college car ever. Drove it from PNW to Silicon Valley and back, as well as Silicon Valley to LA and back.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 12:06 PM (i24o9)
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I saw one of those '60s VW buses on the road last week. I was surprised at how tiny it was.
Posted by: spindrift at September 23, 2024 12:06 PM (OguvZ)
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Danica Patrick is still hawt, even if she can't drive wirth shit.
And the 1993 version of Jeanne Tripplehorn is nice. The Firm is on.
And the 1993 version of Jeanne Tripplehorn is nice. The Firm is on.
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at September 23, 2024 12:06 PM (ufFY8)
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I got hit on by more women by a factor of at least 20x driving my VW TDI New Beetle than any other car I've owned.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 23, 2024 12:06 PM (a3Q+t)
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I would love a stripped-down, ultra-reliable vehicle, with some basic comforts, but not computer-dependent.
While we're at it, I'd like a simplified smartphone as well. My smartphone is always trying to read my mind and doing a crummy job of it while ignoring my purposeful inputs.
While we're at it, I'd like a simplified smartphone as well. My smartphone is always trying to read my mind and doing a crummy job of it while ignoring my purposeful inputs.
Posted by: Emmie at September 23, 2024 12:06 PM (cSvoa)
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Nood.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 12:06 PM (i24o9)
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Robinson was elected in NC already. No one found this horseshit the first time he ran? I don't believe it.
Posted by: free tibet at September 23, 2024 12:07 PM (kq6z+)
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at September 23, 2024 12:07 PM (ufFY8)
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There are workarounds to this, none of them very good, not for poor folks who just need to get to work, or the store in places other than LA or Florida. A "Golf Cart" with a good charger and batts could be well under 10k and last for years.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM (oN30K)
Lead-acid batteries are also 100% recyclable, and that recycling is a well-established industry.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 23, 2024 11:31 AM (oN30K)
Lead-acid batteries are also 100% recyclable, and that recycling is a well-established industry.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 23, 2024 12:10 PM (N75JG)
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@313/Comrade Flounder: Thank you for that.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at September 23, 2024 12:17 PM (O7YUW)
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207 Someone should make an auto that eschews all the electronic gadgets. Manual windows, stick shift, no engine computer, etc. sell it at a price point of about $10k.
It will dominate the market.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM (ufFY
I drive a 2002 toyota echo. I call it my "analog car." I love it. I've had it since 2004. I paid $8k for it.
Actually have had people at gas stations if I would sell it to them.
It will dominate the market.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 23, 2024 11:42 AM (ufFY
I drive a 2002 toyota echo. I call it my "analog car." I love it. I've had it since 2004. I paid $8k for it.
Actually have had people at gas stations if I would sell it to them.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at September 23, 2024 12:17 PM (Rbu5d)
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Honors Jimmy Carter’s ‘Singular Achievements.’ Like What?
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Issuing a Pardon to 10,000 draft dodgers, and sealing the records.
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Issuing a Pardon to 10,000 draft dodgers, and sealing the records.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 23, 2024 12:17 PM (XeU6L)
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We had VW single cab pickup trucks in Africa as work trucks. They were great for their purpose. Really good suspension which was necessary, considering the lack of paved roads.
Posted by: javems at September 23, 2024 12:21 PM (8I4hW)
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Yeah, big tires, mostly off-road use 40 MPG. Something like that would put the Jeep Wrangler line rightfully in its grave.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 11:46 AM (i24o9)
Mahindra Roxor:
https://tinyurl.com/3zj2d7bx
On sale right now.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 23, 2024 11:46 AM (i24o9)
Mahindra Roxor:
https://tinyurl.com/3zj2d7bx
On sale right now.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 23, 2024 12:22 PM (N75JG)
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Any Stellantis product right now is doomed. Their CEO is a legitimate moron who has no idea about market forces in play right now. Paying $60k for a Jeep Wranlger Rubicon is just NOT happening.
Posted by: Defenestratus at September 23, 2024 11:37 AM
The CEO is likely a WEF puppet. As are all the US auto company CEOs. Stellantis EV employee training has been full of WEF Agenda 2030 and "climate change" propaganda since the merger in 2021. It also highlights the US EPA regulations which essentially ban ICE vehicles starting in 2025.
Which is why all US automakers went full-EV as soon as the election was rigged and stolen in 2020. Trump Administration policies had put a halt on the Obama Administration policies which were drastically increasing the regulations and targets for emissions and fuel economy. But as soon as the Deep State got rid of Trump, those regulations and targets were back in place and are set to skyrocket in 2025.
Development of vehicle programs takes about 3-5 years. So to meet the 2025 regulations, all auto companies shifted to EV planning in 2021. Only way any of that changes is if the 2025 EPA regulations are changed.
Posted by: Defenestratus at September 23, 2024 11:37 AM
The CEO is likely a WEF puppet. As are all the US auto company CEOs. Stellantis EV employee training has been full of WEF Agenda 2030 and "climate change" propaganda since the merger in 2021. It also highlights the US EPA regulations which essentially ban ICE vehicles starting in 2025.
Which is why all US automakers went full-EV as soon as the election was rigged and stolen in 2020. Trump Administration policies had put a halt on the Obama Administration policies which were drastically increasing the regulations and targets for emissions and fuel economy. But as soon as the Deep State got rid of Trump, those regulations and targets were back in place and are set to skyrocket in 2025.
Development of vehicle programs takes about 3-5 years. So to meet the 2025 regulations, all auto companies shifted to EV planning in 2021. Only way any of that changes is if the 2025 EPA regulations are changed.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 23, 2024 12:22 PM (P5BPp)
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Aka "the Kubelwagen." Or "Schwimmwagen" -- I think they were built on the same chassis?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 12:02 PM (J2vNu)
The Thing was built on the then-current Beetle platform. It had no particular off-road capability. Kublewagens and Schwimwagens were derived from the then-current Beetle platform, which was quite different, and extensively modified to have some off-road chops.
In a nutshell, the Thing is a poseur Kubelwagen.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 23, 2024 12:02 PM (J2vNu)
The Thing was built on the then-current Beetle platform. It had no particular off-road capability. Kublewagens and Schwimwagens were derived from the then-current Beetle platform, which was quite different, and extensively modified to have some off-road chops.
In a nutshell, the Thing is a poseur Kubelwagen.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 23, 2024 12:30 PM (N75JG)
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I ignited a coworker's ire when I suggested I admired VW engineers' pluck a few years ago when faced with impossible and arbitrary emissions standards. Rather than try to achieve the impossible for no other reason than a bureaucrat said it must be so, the engineers simply programmed a "limp mode" whenever the car detected it was being subjected to an emissions test. So the car temporarily dropped its fuel consumption and altered its timing to pass the test. And when the car was successful and unplugged, it would return to normal operating mode.
I saw that as a "stick it to the man" moment, but my coworker thought it disgusting that the company refused to play along. This last EV move suggests that there are more pragmatists than idiots working at the company.
I saw that as a "stick it to the man" moment, but my coworker thought it disgusting that the company refused to play along. This last EV move suggests that there are more pragmatists than idiots working at the company.
Posted by: red speck at September 23, 2024 12:58 PM (0Id0S)
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207 >> Someone should make an auto that eschews all the electronic gadgets. Manual windows, stick shift, no engine computer, etc. sell it at a price point of about $10k.
I was in exactly this headspace this weekend. I was recounting the day in the mid 80s when I accompanied my dad to a Nissan dealership and watched him pull out his checkbook and write a check for $3500 and sign papers so we could drive away in a brand new Sentra hatchback. He set aside money for a year and bought a car straight out. I finally sold the car 20 years ago as it was disintegrating from age. Still ran like a top, but the dashboard was crumbing and the electrical was starting to glitch.
I was in exactly this headspace this weekend. I was recounting the day in the mid 80s when I accompanied my dad to a Nissan dealership and watched him pull out his checkbook and write a check for $3500 and sign papers so we could drive away in a brand new Sentra hatchback. He set aside money for a year and bought a car straight out. I finally sold the car 20 years ago as it was disintegrating from age. Still ran like a top, but the dashboard was crumbing and the electrical was starting to glitch.
Posted by: red speck at September 23, 2024 01:03 PM (0Id0S)
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Good to see Volkswagen finally addressing their door handles. When I owned a 68 Volkswagen Beetle in the 90s, I used to buy window handle knobs by the dozen. The cheap "monkey metal " that Volkswagen made door handles, window handles and windshield wipers out of was total junk. I snapped them off routinely every couple of months. Some people are crazy for "German Engineering". Fun stuff unless you actually get to experience it first hand.
Posted by: The Guy at September 23, 2024 01:07 PM (CEKnM)
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Just an aside, the VW diesels are even better than the gas cars, despite the BS enviro-wacko settlements.
In Europe you could still get VWs with your choice of engines, usually 2 or 3 for each fuel type. Its amazing how over-regulation here has stolen our choices.
In Europe you could still get VWs with your choice of engines, usually 2 or 3 for each fuel type. Its amazing how over-regulation here has stolen our choices.
Posted by: Iblis at September 23, 2024 01:15 PM (9221z)
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9 EV = no Fahrvergnügen?
Nicht Ausgezeichnet!
Hope this extends to Audi, since they are part of VAG (VW Audi Group). Love my 12-year old A4 wagon, but Audi has been pushing EV transition as well.
Nicht Ausgezeichnet!
Hope this extends to Audi, since they are part of VAG (VW Audi Group). Love my 12-year old A4 wagon, but Audi has been pushing EV transition as well.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at September 23, 2024 01:24 PM (GLEKG)
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I have a 14 Silverado CC with a 5.3L. Good sized V8. Problem is the onboard computers have taken the power out of these. Case in point. If I'm merging on a highway and I need to get up to speed quickly (new england has awful onramps) -- you step on it right? Better bake in 3+ seconds while the computer figures out what to do when you floor it.
Saw the same thing with a 2024 Ford Escape I rented when I was traveling in Detroit. Now, that was a 4cylinder, but same symptoms. And in Detroit - when you need to move - you need to move now whether dodging fellow drivers or bullets.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 23, 2024 11:24 AM (N39Ws)
My wife and I tested a 4 cylinder turbo Chevy small SUV - I forget the exact model. When we stood on the gas, it accelerated pretty quick, but after about 20 mph (30 to 50, like a highway merge), it abruptly slowed the acceleration to a crawl. I figure the onboard computer had a boost timer count down. The Dodge turbos in the mid-80s had a 10 second timer before dropping the boost back to just above atmospheric. So I asked the salesman, but he had no idea what I was even talking about.
Saw the same thing with a 2024 Ford Escape I rented when I was traveling in Detroit. Now, that was a 4cylinder, but same symptoms. And in Detroit - when you need to move - you need to move now whether dodging fellow drivers or bullets.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 23, 2024 11:24 AM (N39Ws)
My wife and I tested a 4 cylinder turbo Chevy small SUV - I forget the exact model. When we stood on the gas, it accelerated pretty quick, but after about 20 mph (30 to 50, like a highway merge), it abruptly slowed the acceleration to a crawl. I figure the onboard computer had a boost timer count down. The Dodge turbos in the mid-80s had a 10 second timer before dropping the boost back to just above atmospheric. So I asked the salesman, but he had no idea what I was even talking about.
Posted by: Advo at September 23, 2024 04:12 PM (jO4mz)
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VW needs to bring back the GTi. Make it manual only too.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)
VW needs to bring back the 1967 Transporter, with 12 volt electrics and the 1600 cc flat four. Put a 20,000 dollar price tag on hem, and watch them fly off the lot.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 23, 2024 11:53 AM (Q87aE)
A Scirocco with a decent motor in it. Would buy. Those cars were nice.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2024 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)
VW needs to bring back the 1967 Transporter, with 12 volt electrics and the 1600 cc flat four. Put a 20,000 dollar price tag on hem, and watch them fly off the lot.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 23, 2024 11:53 AM (Q87aE)
A Scirocco with a decent motor in it. Would buy. Those cars were nice.
Posted by: Advo at September 23, 2024 04:36 PM (jO4mz)
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Clarkson, May, and Hammond could probably think of creative things to do with all those Roombas.
Posted by: DougT at September 23, 2024 04:40 PM (FGQ01)
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There had to be a Ford in the article, knew it.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 23, 2024 05:17 PM (10Lv1)
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Tesla doesn’t seem to be having any issues. The Model Y is the second best selling vehicle in the US right now and may end up the top selling with a Qtr ending push (and by that I mean dethroning the F150). The Cybertruck is also outselling all other electric trucks combined.
Maybe it’s not the EVs, it’s the companies making them.
Maybe it’s not the EVs, it’s the companies making them.
Posted by: Novanglus at September 24, 2024 12:58 AM (3IJ3o)
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