THE MORNING RANT: EV Death Pool Update – A <i>Thermal Runaway</i> of Bad News for Rivian, Including Production Shutdown of its Amazon Delivery Van

THE MORNING RANT: EV Death Pool Update – A Thermal Runaway of Bad News for Rivian, Including Production Shutdown of its Amazon Delivery Van

Because Rivian still has several billion dollars of investor cash to burn through, it’s not at the top of my EV Manufacturer Death Pool. (Lucid and VinFast will likely fail first.) But Rivian is the largest and most over-hyped of the Tesla competitors, having seduced bad investments from major corporations like Amazon and Volkswagen, and from credulous politicians like Georgia Governor Brian Kemp. When Rivian fails, it will be the most spectacular of the overhyped EV bubble companies to fully deflate.

There has been an explosion of additional bad news for Rivian in recent days - you might even call it a thermal runaway. Concurrent with this bad news is a level of corporate reticence that makes me question how forthright Rivian is being about its problems. Specifically, Rivian has suspended production of its much-hyped Amazon vans, blaming the production shutdown on a “parts shortage,” but refusing to specify what the part is. I’m skeptical, especially in light of all the recent troubles these Amazon vans have been having.

You may recall this story from a few weeks ago about the problems Amazon is having with its Rivian delivery vans bursting into flames. There have been several instances, most recently in Houston, where it was initially thought that charging Rivian EVs in normal summer heat (e.g. over 90 degrees) may have been a triggering event for the thermal runaway fire.

“Electric Amazon Delivery Vans Keep Burning Down, And Chargers May Be To Blame” [7/02/2024]

Shortly thereafter, the news broke that Rivian was suspending production of its Amazon delivery vans. Rivian’s excuse sounds like it came straight out of a 2021 press release – “supply chain issues.” Peculiarly, the supply chain issue only affects parts for Rivian’s Amazon vans, not for the rest of Rivian’s lineup. Perhaps a shipment of sliding rear doors was targeted by Houthi rebels in the Red Sea. What is clear is that Rivian seems to be withholding information, as the company refuses to say which missing components are causing the suspension of delivery van production.

Rivian has to stop making electric vans for Amazon; It’s the latest supply chain issue for the nascent EV maker [Jalopnik – 8/16/2024]

Rivian has paused production of its electric van, which it built for Amazon, because of a parts shortage. It’s the latest supply chain issue for the nascent EV maker.
The shortage began earlier this month, according to Rivian, but the automaker declined to say exactly which components were in short supply.

Rivian is a publicly traded company. There is no excuse for it not to provide investors specific details about the “parts shortage.” If this production shutdown is not actually related to a parts shortage, Rivian shareholders will have a solid reason to engage counsel for redress against the company when the stock price goes lower.

A spokesperson for Amazon told Bloomberg it is aware of the issue Rivian is having, but it doesn’t expect to be impacted by it.

Of course Amazon doesn’t expect to be impacted by the Rivian van debacle. It has been clear to Amazon for a long time now that there is no future in these Rivian delivery vans.

But the news for Rivian somehow just got even worse – another thermal runaway fire at its assembly plant, and this one was massive.

“Over 50 Rivian R1T And R1S Models Ruined In Factory Fire; The fire, which broke out at the parking lot, didn't damage the facility, and Rivian says it's not aware of any injuries” [Car Scoops – 8/27/2024]

Fire crews were able to put out the inferno, but not before dozens of R1Ts and R1Ss were ruined. One image captured after the scene shows that Rivian has boxed in 57 vehicles that were damaged in the blaze and positioned them in the corner of its parking lot. The vast majority of the EVs visible have been destroyed and are nothing left but burnt-out carcasses. A small handful appear to have escaped with less significant damage.

Here is a video of the fire. How terrifying would this fire be if it were in a parking garage rather than out in the open?

Since Georgia Governor Brian Kemp has thrown about $1 billion of taxpayer money, infrastructure, and incentives at Rivian, perhaps he can call up his business partners there at Rivian and inquire just what “parts shortage” has caused the Amazon van production shutdown. Whether they like it or not, the residents of Georgia are invested in Rivian, and they are owed an answer as to what is really going on.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 First?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 02, 2024 11:01 AM (Ydd86)

2 Specifically, Rivian has suspended production of its much-hyped Amazon vans, blaming the production shutdown on a “parts shortage,” but refusing to specify what the part is.

Batteries fit for purpose?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:01 AM (xCA6C)

3 OoooO

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 02, 2024 11:01 AM (Ydd86)

4 good morning!

Posted by: Zeera the ungoverened at September 02, 2024 11:02 AM (DwZoh)

5 It's kind of cool to juxtapose this with Pope Frankie's comments about the Earth having a fever...

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at September 02, 2024 11:02 AM (PiwSw)

6 > When Rivian fails, it will be the most spectacular of the overhyped EV bubble companies to fully deflate.
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Ford snickers.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 02, 2024 11:03 AM (Q4IgG)

7 I like stories with happy endings

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2024 11:03 AM (fwDg9)

8 Autos that burn up spontaneously sound like great terror vehicles

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 02, 2024 11:04 AM (Ydd86)

9 When Rivian fails, it will be the most spectacular of the overhyped EV bubble companies to fully deflate.
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Well, this is defeatist!

Posted by: AI Bubble at September 02, 2024 11:04 AM (HnUIn)

10 “Electric Amazon Delivery Vans Keep Burning Down, And Chargers May Be To Blame” [7/02/2024]
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C'mon man, I just got here!

Posted by: Jim Harbaugh at September 02, 2024 11:04 AM (fs1hN)

11 I love it when politicians who don't know d*** about technology decide they're just the ones to figure out where a good technology investment is.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:04 AM (xCA6C)

12 Have seen a couple of Rivian cars in the neighborhood

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 02, 2024 11:04 AM (Ydd86)

13 There have been several instances, most recently in Houston, where it was initially thought that charging Rivian EVs in normal summer heat (e.g. over 90 degrees) may have been a triggering event for the thermal runaway fire.
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Did Rivian import its battery and control systems engineers from Red China?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:04 AM (HnUIn)

14 Let me ride on the Wall of Death one more time...

Posted by: Boron Cobbie at September 02, 2024 11:05 AM (rpkZg)

15 And to think I just got an email from Amazon announcing hot deals.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:05 AM (jn+Mh)

16 Seeing ads for electric Hummer P/U....wonder what the market for that is?

Posted by: BignJames at September 02, 2024 11:05 AM (AwYPR)

17 >>but the automaker declined to say exactly which components were in short supply.

Logic?
Common sense?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 02, 2024 11:05 AM (Pijte)

18 I love it when politicians who don't know d*** about technology decide they're just the ones to figure out where a good technology investment is.
Posted by: Archimedes

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Look here, jack, we've got hundreds of millions of our own dollars invested in the startups you're going to be required to purchase from, so you better just get used to it.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie at September 02, 2024 11:06 AM (rpkZg)

19
Why do people filming cool stuff do it in portrait mode?

Pet peeve.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 02, 2024 11:06 AM (RKVpM)

20 >>I love it when politicians who don't know d*** about technology decide they're just the ones to figure out where a good technology investment is.

"I, Pencil" should be compulsory reading.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 02, 2024 11:06 AM (Pijte)

21 Peculiarly, the supply chain issue only affects parts for Rivian’s Amazon vans, not for the rest of Rivian’s lineup.
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If the big vans have a different powertrain, this is possible.

Especially if the parts involved in the "supply chain issues" involved battery management system components from a low-end manufacturer that don't work and so now have to be replaced with products from alternate vendors who's shit actually *works* - and done without obliterating what little maneuvering room they have...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:06 AM (HnUIn)

22 I'm coming to the Rivian plant and Hell is coming with me!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at September 02, 2024 11:07 AM (L/fGl)

23 “Over 50 Rivian R1T And R1S Models Ruined In Factory Fire; The fire, which broke out at the parking lot, didn't damage the facility, and Rivian says it's not aware of any injuries”
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Damage to their reputation does not count as an "injury."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:07 AM (HnUIn)

24 Since Georgia Governor Brian Kemp has thrown about $1 billion of taxpayer money, infrastructure, and incentives at Rivian, perhaps he can call up his business partners there at Rivian and inquire just what “parts shortage” has caused the Amazon van production shutdown.
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LOL why?

It ain't his money.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:07 AM (HnUIn)

25 I like the boxes. Reminds me of junkyards that fence off the hulks. I guess it is efficiency for the manufacturer to provide the junkyard right in their own parking lot.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:07 AM (jn+Mh)

26 Looks like Rivian is literally burning through their money.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at September 02, 2024 11:07 AM (g8Ew8)

27 I saw where Cat is coming out with some pickups, including electric ones.

Posted by: fd at September 02, 2024 11:08 AM (vFG9F)

28 I like the boxes. Reminds me of junkyards that fence off the hulks. I guess it is efficiency for the manufacturer to provide the junkyard right in their own parking lot.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:07 AM (jn+Mh)
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Soon, they will produce nothing at all and wealth will maximize...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:08 AM (HnUIn)

29 >>“Over 50 Rivian R1T And R1S Models Ruined In Factory Fire; The fire, which broke out at the parking lot, didn't damage the facility, and Rivian says it's not aware of any injuries”

1. How long (how many days?) did the fire last?
2. How much water was needed to put it out?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 02, 2024 11:08 AM (Pijte)

30 Burn, EVs burn.

(Once again, this isn't like my normal imprecation against Disney. I'm just making an observation here.)

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at September 02, 2024 11:08 AM (N1DT3)

31 Factor in summer temps in Houston when engineering charging systems - nah

Posted by: Zeera the ungoverened at September 02, 2024 11:08 AM (DwZoh)

32 How terrifying would this fire be if it were in a parking garage rather than out in the open?
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Quite.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:08 AM (HnUIn)

33 “Over 50 Rivian R1T And R1S Models Ruined In Factory Fire; The fire, which broke out at the parking lot, didn't damage the facility, and Rivian says it's not aware of any injuries”

1. How long (how many days?) did the fire last?
2. How much water was needed to put it out?

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I'm still unclear on where you mark this down on fleet and per-vehicle environmental impact.

Oh wait, nevermind.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie at September 02, 2024 11:09 AM (rpkZg)

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There have been several instances, most recently in Houston, where it was initially thought that charging Rivian EVs in normal summer heat (e.g. over 90 degrees) may have been a triggering event for the thermal runaway fire.

I have some lithium ion batteries and even the charger knows better then work when either the air around it is too hot or the battery is too hot.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 02, 2024 11:09 AM (RKVpM)

35 Flux capacitors have been on backorder for over two years!

Posted by: Muldoon at September 02, 2024 11:09 AM (991eG)

36 2. How much water was needed to put it out?
Posted by: Lizzy at September 02, 2024 11:08 AM (Pijte)
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Water can't put out a lithium fire. It can help contain them, IIRC, by making surrounding areas less conducive to burning, but not extinguish them.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:09 AM (HnUIn)

37 Thx Buck. I have relatives who live in Roswell, GA. They were some of the first NY liberals to move from NY to GA for n the late 70s. I'm not close to them but I like GA having been byhere several times .
That being said given his actions regarding elections and given the Rivian mess, is he still that much of a corrupt idiot?

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 02, 2024 11:09 AM (1G9mh)

38 Terrorists can get a car/truck bomb straight from the factory, now.

Posted by: BignJames at September 02, 2024 11:10 AM (AwYPR)

39 but the automaker declined to say exactly which components were in short supply.

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Microchips, duh. The same reason new cars cost 30% more.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie at September 02, 2024 11:10 AM (rpkZg)

40 I see these Amazon delivery vans all over Houston. Henceforth, I will keep a safe distance away.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 02, 2024 11:10 AM (Aqu9a)

41 My disdain for EVs is mostly to the Global warming religion,
It should be at best a life choice if you can afford it.

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2024 11:11 AM (fwDg9)

42 I'm getting a real charge out of this story

Posted by: Diogenes at September 02, 2024 11:12 AM (W/lyH)

43 Autos that burn up spontaneously sound like great terror vehicles
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 02, 2024

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Yeah, but can you time one to go off when you *want* it to? Be a shame if a terror cell guy was driving one to the target for destruction and it went "BOOM!" up in flames with him in it. . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 02, 2024 11:12 AM (omVj0)

44
There should be no public mandate for EVs until every single ICE vehicle in the hands of federal, state and local governments is replaced by one.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 02, 2024 11:12 AM (v3+kb)

45 Morning.

Posted by: Robert at September 02, 2024 11:12 AM (TCRk0)

46 Looks like Rivian is literally burning through their money.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at September 02, 2024 11:07 AM (g8Ew

They just write it off!

Posted by: Kramer at September 02, 2024 11:12 AM (Aqu9a)

47 How terrifying would this fire be if it were in a parking garage rather than out in the open?

There was one of these fires in S Korea last week or so. The parking garage was in the basement/first floor for an apartment building. The heat was so intense that the entire building will likely be condemned. Fire like that permanently weakens the concrete.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:12 AM (jn+Mh)

48 I have some lithium ion batteries and even the charger knows better then work when either the air around it is too hot or the battery is too hot.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 02, 2024 11:09 AM (RKVpM)
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Temperature control is a basic Battery Management System (BMS) function, and good batteries (the cells that make up the packs) also have some tech in them to help manage the problem if there's an odd fault in pack-level BMS.

It's also fairly hard to get right.

The "lithium batteries are massive fire dangers" problem is only partially true. They *are* that - it's chemistry - but that risk can be effectively contained and managed through proper engineering and BMS. That engineering is *hard* and the systems are expensive.

So if you don't know what you're doing and/or you're cheaping out on it, you're not building batteries. You're building kindling.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:12 AM (HnUIn)

49 How about a parking lot under an office building, effectively blocking all ground exits?

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at September 02, 2024 11:12 AM (gdmjx)

50 EVs are nothing more than the emperor's new clothes. Nobody, meaning the media, is allowed to state the obvious until given permission. We are not at that point yet.

Posted by: Decaf at September 02, 2024 11:12 AM (NK5Xn)

51 >>How terrifying would this fire be if it were in a parking garage rather than out in the open?

Underground parking of a high-rise apartment building in a "15 Minute City."

Posted by: Lizzy at September 02, 2024 11:13 AM (Pijte)

52 There should be no public mandate for EVs until every single ICE vehicle in the hands of federal, state and local governments is replaced by one.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 02, 2024 11:12 AM (v3+kb)

Piss away taxpayer money?

Were on it!

Posted by: Democrats AND Republicans at September 02, 2024 11:13 AM (TCRk0)

53 All of this garbage comes from China.
And, China fakes everything.

I've mentioned him before, but there's a YouTuber who posts clips from China.

It's worse than what you can imagine; the food, the construction, the cars, everything is faked.

I still can't believe our elites have gone all-in with these guys. It's like siding with the Scooby-doo villain. After the big reveal.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 02, 2024 11:13 AM (wYSpO)

54 That Rivian plant in Normal, IL… my BIL used to work at that facility when it was a Mitsubishi plant. When Mitsubishi decided to leave town it was a big blow to the area…. It sat empty for a few years. So most folks were excited when Rivian came to town…. Maybe not so much now if they’re gonna burn the place down! That fire looked nasty. BTW…. A lithium battery fire; I can’t imagine that smoke is good for air quality. Is it a health issue more than say the normal burning of wood?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 02, 2024 11:13 AM (nrfI8)

55 >>How terrifying would this fire be if it were in a parking garage rather than out in the open?

Right. How much water was wasted containing the fire?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 02, 2024 11:13 AM (Pijte)

56 Underground parking of a high-rise apartment building in a "15 Minute City."
Posted by: Lizzy at September 02, 2024 11:13 AM (Pijte)
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LOL. This is a risk only if you live in a tony, upscale tower with Party members. The rest of the denizens won't have cars and only have to worry about electric trams jumping rail in their building's station.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:14 AM (HnUIn)

57 Too dangerous in the heat, barely works in the cold, pretty soon we'll settle on requiring moderate temps year round for 'safe and effective' operation. Good for Hawaii and large parts of California, I suppose.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 02, 2024 11:14 AM (fs1hN)

58 Buck, I think you are being unfair to Rivian.

I think it is a brilliant logistics effort on their part. They have shortened the process from production to destruction by battery fire and have removed several steps that are immensely expensive.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2024 11:14 AM (d9fT1)

59 The "lithium batteries are massive fire dangers" problem is only partially true. They *are* that - it's chemistry - but that risk can be effectively contained and managed through proper engineering and BMS. That engineering is *hard* and the systems are expensive.

So if you don't know what you're doing and/or you're cheaping out on it, you're not building batteries. You're building kindling.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) a

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And people don't have any real sense of the incredible amount of energy they're putting their children on top of and parking next to their home.

If they did it might go to the top of the "nope, don't want because of" list above the range limitations, price, lifestyle modifications, home modifications/costs, etc.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie at September 02, 2024 11:15 AM (rpkZg)

60 >>I still can't believe our elites have gone all-in with these guys. It's like siding with the Scooby-doo villain. After the big reveal.

Tim Walz describing his time in when he taught high school English and American history in Guangdong Province (1989): “No matter how long I live I’ll never be treated that well again,”

Posted by: Lizzy at September 02, 2024 11:15 AM (Pijte)

61 You couldn't pay me to RIDE in an electric car. I'd even be leery of having one parked in the middle of a field on our property due to fire risk.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at September 02, 2024 11:16 AM (w6EFb)

62 How terrifying would this fire be if it were in a parking garage rather than out in the open?
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Underground parking of a high-rise apartment building in a "15 Minute City."
Posted by: Lizzy

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One of those long and extremely crowded one-way underwater tunnels up north.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie at September 02, 2024 11:16 AM (rpkZg)

63 A lithium battery fire; I can’t imagine that smoke is good for air quality. Is it a health issue more than say the normal burning of wood?

It absolutely is. My wife did some of the earliest work on the fire hazards of Li batteries for the Navy. The byproducts are very toxic.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:16 AM (xCA6C)

64 EV commuter cars are a fine niche product IMO. But full electric buses, delivery vans etc? Only idiot politicians and corporate leaders that attended an ivory tower university on a trust fund could think those are good ideas.

Posted by: PaleRider at September 02, 2024 11:16 AM (UKUm3)

65 I think it is a brilliant logistics effort on their part. They have shortened the process from production to destruction by battery fire and have removed several steps that are immensely expensive.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2024 11:14 AM (d9fT1)

helping to save Gaia...except for the fire part.

Posted by: BignJames at September 02, 2024 11:16 AM (AwYPR)

66 Seeing ads for electric Hummer P/U....wonder what the market for that is?
Posted by: BignJames at September 02, 2024 11:05 AM (AwYPR)

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None of the EVs were designed to carry more than themselves and the driver.

Posted by: Decaf at September 02, 2024 11:16 AM (NK5Xn)

67 And people don't have any real sense of the incredible amount of energy they're putting their children on top of and parking next to their home.

If they did it might go to the top of the "nope, don't want because of" list above the range limitations, price, lifestyle modifications, home modifications/costs, etc.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie at September 02, 2024 11:15 AM (rpkZg)
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Normalcy bias. There is another way we do the same, routinely and without incident: normal cars.

Gasoline has a hell of a lot of energy bound up in. It's why it works. We park our cars next to, in and under our houses all the time and don't think twice about it. The amount of energy potential sitting in your garage is more than enough to destroy your house.

It's just extremely rare. As in "a 10-sigma event" rare, if I had to guess. Unlike batteries, gasoline and its huge energy potential are simple, and simple to manage and design for.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:17 AM (HnUIn)

68 Good for Hawaii and large parts of California, I suppose.

Posted by: Chuck Martel

I was involved in an EV study, and found that they are barely practical for transport except in S California and Hawaii. They only work as advertised between 55f and 80f, which rules out most of the world.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:17 AM (jn+Mh)

69 How terrifying would this fire be if it were in a parking garage rather than out in the open?
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Consider that if they can remotely lock the doors, they can remotely overload the battery.

Think about it, a nice little fire bomb anywhere you want, able to be set off at any time without any trace.

Nice little way for a hostile country to instantly destabilize and hobble an enemy.

But, that's just crazy conspiracy talk ....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 02, 2024 11:17 AM (wYSpO)

70 >>t absolutely is. My wife did some of the earliest work on the fire hazards of Li batteries for the Navy. The byproducts are very toxic.

*Adds that to the list of why EVs are the worst*

Posted by: Lizzy at September 02, 2024 11:17 AM (Pijte)

71 Sorry I am late… I was just so Mesmerized by the Morning Art picture….

Posted by: tubal at September 02, 2024 11:17 AM (PCK5/)

72 It's just extremely rare. As in "a 10-sigma event" rare, if I had to guess. Unlike batteries, gasoline and its huge energy potential are simple, and simple to manage and design for.

Maybe, but nobody ever tried to burn a leaf pile with a Li battery.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:18 AM (xCA6C)

73 Tim Walz describing his time in when he taught high school English and American history in Guangdong Province (1989): “No matter how long I live I’ll never be treated that well again,”

Posted by: Lizzy at September 02, 2024 11:15 AM (Pijte)

It's been 35 years. I'm sure they still remember and revere him in Guangdong Province.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at September 02, 2024 11:18 AM (w6EFb)

74 I like the boxes. Reminds me of junkyards that fence off the hulks. I guess it is efficiency for the manufacturer to provide the junkyard right in their own parking lot.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:07 AM (jn+Mh)

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I read somewhere that junkyards will soon be a thing of the past. As a wicked car comes in the parts are listed, sold and sent off all over the world.

Posted by: Decaf at September 02, 2024 11:18 AM (NK5Xn)

75 >>Consider that if they can remotely lock the doors, they can remotely overload the battery.

Think about it, a nice little fire bomb anywhere you want, able to be set off at any time without any trace.

Nice little way for a hostile country to instantly destabilize and hobble an enemy.

But, that's just crazy conspiracy talk ....
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Heh, check out "Passengers" book by John Marrs. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at September 02, 2024 11:19 AM (Pijte)

76 It's just extremely rare. As in "a 10-sigma event" rare, if I had to guess. Unlike batteries, gasoline and its huge energy potential are simple, and simple to manage and design for.

Maybe, but nobody ever tried to burn a leaf pile with a Li battery.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:18 AM (xCA6C)

Or light / relight a charcoal grill with Li.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 02, 2024 11:19 AM (Aqu9a)

77 Pile up!

https://is.gd/qES3Ih

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at September 02, 2024 11:19 AM (L/fGl)

78 Something's Burning was released in 1970 by the First Edition. Was a big hit!

Posted by: Zombie Kenny Rogers at September 02, 2024 11:19 AM (CV8a5)

79 62 How terrifying would this fire be if it were in a parking garage rather than out in the open?
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Underground parking of a high-rise apartment building in a "15 Minute City."
Posted by: Lizzy

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One of those long and extremely crowded one-way underwater tunnels up north.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie at September 02, 2024 11:16 AM (rpkZg)
Answer-
That light is NOT the end of the tunnel.

Posted by: Eromero at September 02, 2024 11:19 AM (LHPAg)

80 A "parts shortage" while working with Amazon. LOL!

Posted by: pookysgirl, quite skeptical at September 02, 2024 11:20 AM (0fx+L)

81 Tim Walz describing his time in when he taught high school English and American history in Guangdong Province (1989): “No matter how long I live I’ll never be treated that well again,”

Posted by: Lizzy at September 02, 2024 11:15 AM (Pijte)

It's been 35 years. I'm sure they still remember and revere him in Guangdong Province.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at September 02, 2024 11:18 AM (w6EFb)

Put up a statue, even, ala Jayne Cobb.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 02, 2024 11:20 AM (Aqu9a)

82 EVs should be required to be painted in black/red/yellow stripes....

Posted by: BignJames at September 02, 2024 11:20 AM (AwYPR)

83 I read somewhere that junkyards will soon be a thing of the past. As a wicked car comes in the parts are listed, sold and sent off all over the world.

Posted by: Decaf

Repairing and maintaining ICE vehicles is going to become a huge business, since everyone will want a vehicle that actually works. Cuba has an advantage here.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:20 AM (jn+Mh)

84 Guangdong

Izzat the one with a head on each end?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 02, 2024 11:20 AM (PwlLn)

85 I read somewhere that junkyards will soon be a thing of the past. As a wicked car comes in the parts are listed, sold and sent off all over the world.
Posted by: Decaf at September 02, 2024 11:18 AM (NK5Xn)
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A fair amount of that. Automotive teardown and recycle has been big business for a long time.

Eventually, though, you're left with scrap and a lot of it. Not a lot of demand for a whole frame, for example. So the scrap goes to the junkyard until it sold on to smelters who recycle it. The car has to go to a junkyard first, to be torn down and sold off.

Big piles of junk cars where nothing is done with them? Yeah, that's already basically a thing of the past. That got moving bigly in the late sixties and into the seventies. Too much money in the parts and materials to just stack 'em up and let 'em rust.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:20 AM (HnUIn)

86 Pile up!

https://is.gd/qES3Ih

I'm going to hell for laughing at that.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:21 AM (xCA6C)

87 Seeing ads for electric Hummer P/U....wonder what the market for that is?
Posted by: BignJames

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Same as all the other EVs.

Upper middle class to rich buying statement vehicles. Cross shopping against Audis and such for third and fourth cars.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie at September 02, 2024 11:21 AM (rpkZg)

88 J works for a company that manufactures sensors that go in vehicles. Rivian hasn’t paid them for months. They stopped shipping.

Posted by: Piper at September 02, 2024 11:21 AM (aT5K/)

89 Seeing ads for electric Hummer

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$20 same as in town?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at September 02, 2024 11:22 AM (L/fGl)

90 I'm going to hell for laughing at that.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:21 AM (xCA6C)
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One day, they will rewatch that and laugh at it, too.

Or become permanently scarred, neurotic messes.

One or the other, I reckon.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:22 AM (HnUIn)

91 "I, Pencil" should be compulsory reading.
Posted by: Lizzy

***********

Jack Elam has joined the conversation.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 02, 2024 11:22 AM (991eG)

92
A "parts shortage" while working with Amazon. LOL!
Posted by: pookysgirl, quite skeptical at September 02, 2024 11:20 AM (0fx+L)

__________

2021: Parts shortage
2026: Pants shortage

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 02, 2024 11:23 AM (v3+kb)

93 J works for a company that manufactures sensors that go in vehicles. Rivian hasn’t paid them for months. They stopped shipping.
Posted by: Piper at September 02, 2024 11:21 AM (aT5K/)
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Ahh. Another possibility, yeah. I suppose that "we aren't paying our suppliers and so they're no longer supplying us" could be classified - distantly - as a "supply chain issue."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:23 AM (HnUIn)

94 It's like siding with the Scooby-doo villain. After the big reveal.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 02, 2024 11:13 AM (wYSpO)

Old & Busted: And we would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for those meddling kids!

New Hotness: And we did get away with it thanks to those meddling kids!

Posted by: Robert at September 02, 2024 11:23 AM (fhqWi)

95 One day, they will rewatch that and laugh at it, too.

Or become permanently scarred, neurotic messes.

Either way, I can use the company.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:23 AM (xCA6C)

96 Unlike batteries, gasoline and its huge energy potential are simple, and simple to manage and design for.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:17 AM (HnUIn)

And the release of the potential energy of gasoline requires an external source of ignition, regardless of the condition of the storage container.

Many of these lithium battery fires are caused by flaws in the structure of the battery and require no external influence.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2024 11:23 AM (d9fT1)

97 The girl spawn and I saw a Tesla Cyber Truck out in the wild on Friday. It's fucking hideous. I noticed it in my rearview mirror and thought we had suddenly devolved to Mad Max world with warning. I was cruising along at 80 mph, the truck was riding my number for a mile or so before it passed me, then immediately hit the brakes to take the off ramp.
Fucker owns an ugly piece of shit that costs almost as much as my house and drives like an idiot.
Hey, dumbass, just because your ugly status symbol looks like some Frankenstein mash up of a small tank and a DeLorean, doesn't mean you can do stupid shit and survive the mangled heap that was your stupid toy.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 02, 2024 11:24 AM (4XwPj)

98 2 Specifically, Rivian has suspended production of its much-hyped Amazon vans, blaming the production shutdown on a “parts shortage,” but refusing to specify what the part is.

Batteries fit for purpose?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:01 AM (xCA6C)

the purpose is to not burn up.

Posted by: Roy at September 02, 2024 11:24 AM (z+ik4)

99 All of this garbage comes from China.
And, China fakes everything.

I've mentioned him before, but there's a YouTuber who posts clips from China.

It's worse than what you can imagine; the food, the construction, the cars, everything is faked.

I still can't believe our elites have gone all-in with these guys. It's like siding with the Scooby-doo villain. After the big reveal.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 02, 2024 11:13 AM (wYSpO)

-----------------

We went through this fakery with the Soviet Union and now we are about to live through it again with communist China.

Posted by: Decaf at September 02, 2024 11:24 AM (NK5Xn)

100 And the release of the potential energy of gasoline requires an external source of ignition, regardless of the condition of the storage container.

Many of these lithium battery fires are caused by flaws in the structure of the battery and require no external influence.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2024 11:23 AM (d9fT1)
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It's still usually an external source - air, temperature, water, impact, etc. - but damn are there more potential sources and boy does design have a massive influence on robustness.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:25 AM (HnUIn)

101 >>Fucker owns an ugly piece of shit that costs almost as much as my house and drives like an idiot.

My experience is that Tesla drivers are some of the worst.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 02, 2024 11:25 AM (Pijte)

102 I've seen a Cybertruck and a Rivian parked (at separate residences) about a block up the street from my house. I can't figure out what the attraction is for either, except for "hey, look at my expensive new toy!"

Posted by: PabloD at September 02, 2024 11:25 AM (ZiRUh)

103 I was involved in an EV study, and found that they are barely practical for transport except in S California and Hawaii. They only work as advertised between 55f and 80f, which rules out most of the world.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:17 AM (jn+Mh)

Basically, EVs are my wife's hibiscus plant- certain people think it's really important, but far more work than is practical in real life.

(And yet, I'm still moving it inside the house on cold nights and back outside for warm days, all for some pretty flowers.... the plant, not the EV.)

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at September 02, 2024 11:26 AM (N1DT3)

104 Let me ride on the Wall of Death one more time...
Posted by: Boron Cobbie at September 02, 2024 11:05 AM (rpkZg)

Well, you can waste your time on the other rides . . .

Posted by: Patches at September 02, 2024 11:26 AM (Y/ecs)

105 Normalcy bias. There is another way we do the same, routinely and without incident: normal cars....

It's just extremely rare. As in "a 10-sigma event" rare, if I had to guess. Unlike batteries, gasoline and its huge energy potential are simple, and simple to manage and design for.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) a
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To a certain extent.

I'm old enough that I've had two cars develop gas leaks in the garage. They were pushed outside and repaired. I've had numerous small engines leak and cans spill. I suspect 80% of men here have had similar experiences.

I'm betting an EV leak would end a tad differently, to say nothing of the tiny little electric toothbrush and cell phone batteries that keep burning down landfill buildings.

" The agency found 245 separate fires across 28 states, some of which led to entire buildings burning down. Recycling centers were at particular risk of fire damage"

https://tinyurl.com/yc56ew9e

We're saving the environment or something, though.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie at September 02, 2024 11:26 AM (rpkZg)

106 Underground parking of a high-rise apartment building in a "15 Minute City."
Posted by: Lizzy at September 02, 2024 11:13 AM (Pijte)
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LOL. This is a risk only if you live in a tony, upscale tower with Party members. The rest of the denizens won't have cars and only have to worry about electric trams jumping rail in their building's station.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:14 AM (HnUIn)

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Party members would have real ICE cars not the crap they make for everyone else.

Posted by: Decaf at September 02, 2024 11:26 AM (NK5Xn)

107 The girl spawn and I saw a Tesla Cyber Truck out in the wild on Friday. It's fucking hideous. I noticed it in my rearview mirror and thought we had suddenly devolved to Mad Max world with warning. ...
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 02, 2024 11:24 AM (4XwPj)
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I saw one in real life at the beginning of summer. What really struck me besides its ugliness (eye of the beholder and all - I mean, some people liked the Pontiac Aztec, too) is its sheer scale. It is *huge.* It's hard to appreciate just how huge the thing is until you see it in person. Just stupendously big, and its bigness is accentuated by its odd shape and downright tragic ugliness.

Like an angular version of Trigglypuff in car form.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:26 AM (HnUIn)

108
I still can't believe our elites have gone all-in with these guys. It's like siding with the Scooby-doo villain. After the big reveal.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice

__________

"By outsourcing our supply chain to the PRC, we can reduce expenses and inventory, resulting in better quarterly results and higher shareholder return." - McKinsey consultants

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 02, 2024 11:27 AM (v3+kb)

109 89 Seeing ads for electric Hummer

That brings back memories...

Posted by: Willie Brown at September 02, 2024 11:27 AM (PiwSw)

110 If they were sincere in this, they would have been pushing hybrids for the last 30 years instead of the EV fantasy that will require an impossible amount of electricity, raw materials, magic batteries [even if those are improving], and an impossible amount of infrastructure to achieve.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 02, 2024 11:27 AM (CEzQx)

111 93 Ahh. Another possibility, yeah. I suppose that "we aren't paying our suppliers and so they're no longer supplying us" could be classified - distantly - as a "supply chain issue."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September

The unfortunate byproduct of this is discounts on multiple vehicle brands. If I have to hear one more time how cool a cybertruck would be just to say we have one? The absolute dumbest thing ever. I will hold very firmly here, I don’t care that it’s not my money! Especially when I really wanted a Defender and ended up with a mini cooper. Nope, nope and nope. (I am stomping my feet).

Posted by: Piper at September 02, 2024 11:27 AM (aT5K/)

112 OTOH, Hyundai has an 80's throwback electric car that looks pretty bad ass.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 02, 2024 11:27 AM (wYSpO)

113 I'm going to hell for laughing at that.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:21 AM (xCA6C)
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One day, they will rewatch that and laugh at it, too.

Or become permanently scarred, neurotic messes.

One or the other, I reckon.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:22 AM (HnUIn)

Thank heaven...for little girls!

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 02, 2024 11:27 AM (fhqWi)

114 The girl spawn and I saw a Tesla Cyber Truck out in the wild on Friday. It's fucking hideous.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 02, 2024 11:24 AM (4XwPj)

There is a Tesla store about three miles from my house, so I see lots of their sedans and a few of the trucks. It is a typical second or third car around here...nobody's driveway has just a Tesla.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2024 11:27 AM (d9fT1)

115 So - can we now safely say that EVs have taken over from salad as the silent killer?

Posted by: Boswell at September 02, 2024 11:28 AM (K+UlC)

116 EVs should be required to be painted in black/red/yellow stripes....
Posted by: BignJames

Green and red. Like a watermelon.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 02, 2024 11:28 AM (IG4Id)

117 I see that Rivian refers to these incidents as 'Thermal Events'.

It's a deflection, of course, like saying that Joan of Arc died of a 'thermal event'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2024 11:28 AM (XeU6L)

118 The lizard people are preparing to attack Starliner.

Starliner crew reports hearing strange "sonar like noises" emanating from their craft. This is the real audio of it:

https://tinyurl.com/6veerhbh

Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:28 AM (xCA6C)

119
Did you say Cyber Truck! Quick, get a picture of it!

https://is.gd/d5nxTb

/ no hints

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 02, 2024 11:28 AM (RKVpM)

120 My experience is that Tesla drivers are some of the worst.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 02, 2024 11:25 AM (Pijte)

Tesla is the new Cadillac. Old bumper sticker on Cadillacs/Teslas: "Why yes, I DO own the whole damned road."

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at September 02, 2024 11:28 AM (AiZBA)

121 I try to avoid parking next to Tesla’s here in the work parking lot in north Texas summer. That possibility of spontaneous combustion when it’s 105 is in the back of my mind. I think someone would have to be nuts to park those things in their garage next to their family’s bedrooms… it’s charging while they’re sleeping. No thanks

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 02, 2024 11:29 AM (i5Vkf)

122 I drove a cyber truck a while back. It is a huge vehicle that has no practical purpose, and horrible visibility. The smart car is more practical.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:29 AM (jn+Mh)

123 I'm betting an EV leak would end a tad differently, to say nothing of the tiny little electric toothbrush and cell phone batteries that keep burning down landfill buildings. ...
Posted by: Boron Cobbie at September 02, 2024 11:26 AM (rpkZg)
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Absolutely. The other benefit of fuel like gasoline is that's not "digital." There are multiple states. "Contained and normal." "Leaking." "On fire." Etc.

Lithium is much more "binary." It's fine, or it's on fire and the transition space between them is very small. Everything is just fine right up until it very very suddenly is not.

Like TV. Old-school TV and its analogue signals had a nice, gentle drop-off. It could be clear, or snowy, or very snowy, or audio-only, or no signal at all. Modern digital TV has a cliff. It's clear, then it's blocky for a moment, then it's gone.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:29 AM (HnUIn)

124 It's still usually an external source - air, temperature, water, impact, etc. - but damn are there more potential sources and boy does design have a massive influence on robustness.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:25 AM (HnUIn)

Well, the design flaws will be managed over the next 20-30 years, and then they can move on to the easy part...doubling the size of the electric grid in America.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2024 11:30 AM (d9fT1)

125 Guess what else uses Lithium batteries? Starliner that’s who.

I know they aren’t using retail batts, and understand the weight savings. But if they ever get a battery fire, they are fooked. They don’t seem ready yet, for human spaceflight.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 02, 2024 11:30 AM (gkbzD)

126

Production at an electric vehicle battery cell plant jointly run by General Motors and Samsung SDI has been delayed as EV sales have slowed in the U.S.

The companies finalized their agreement Tuesday to jointly run the new factory in New Carlisle, Indiana, near South Bend, but said production would not start until 2027. Previously the plant was expected to start making cells in 2026.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 02, 2024 11:30 AM (63Dwl)

127 I got some gas on my hands filling the mower this morning. Near as I can see not engulfed in flames yet.

Posted by: Eromero at September 02, 2024 11:31 AM (LHPAg)

128 Did you say Cyber Truck! Quick, get a picture of it!

https://is.gd/d5nxTb

/ no hints
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 02, 2024 11:28 AM (RKVpM)
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That video is deeply depressing.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:31 AM (HnUIn)

129 I drove a cyber truck a while back. It is a huge vehicle that has no practical purpose, and horrible visibility. The smart car is more practical.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:29 AM (jn+Mh)
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I've never been in one, but I'll take your word for it. It *looks* like it has terrible visibility.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:32 AM (HnUIn)

130 I see that Rivian refers to these incidents as 'Thermal Events'.

It's a deflection, of course, like saying that Joan of Arc died of a 'thermal event'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2024 11:28 AM (XeU6L)

Thermal events…. What idiocy. Why do lefties always talk this way? It’s purposely designed to confuse and deceive. That’d be like saying getting shot was a ventilation event…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 02, 2024 11:32 AM (ANuwa)

131 I read somewhere that junkyards will soon be a thing of the past. As a wicked car comes in the parts are listed, sold and sent off all over the world.
Posted by: Decaf

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A lot of plastics in cars are already made from recycled materials. It's a big part of why you will see a new vehicle with 3000 miles and scuffs on the interior while an old junker from 2005 that was not even particularly cared for will have a great interior after a wipe down.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie at September 02, 2024 11:32 AM (rpkZg)

132 (I am stomping my feet).
Posted by: Piper at September 02, 2024 11:27 AM (aT5K/)

*Assumes that maybe Piper's little legs reach the floor while sitting in her chair*

Posted by: Robert at September 02, 2024 11:32 AM (tCNv8)

133
Well, the design flaws will be managed over the next 20-30 years, and then they can move on to the easy part...doubling the size of the electric grid in America.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

All while shutting down nuclear and coal fired plants.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 02, 2024 11:33 AM (63Dwl)

134
That video is deeply depressing.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:31 AM

Talk about going to hell for laughing. I'm still giggling.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 02, 2024 11:33 AM (RKVpM)

135 Near as I can see not engulfed in flames yet.

Posted by: Eromero at September 02, 2024 11:31 AM (LHPAg)

The smell is the worst part. I never worry about fire when I spill gas...and I usually spill it when I fuel or drain stuff.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2024 11:33 AM (d9fT1)

136 132 (I am stomping my feet).
Posted by: Piper at September 02, 2024 11:27 AM (aT5K/)

*Assumes that maybe Piper's little legs reach the floor while sitting in her chair*
Posted by: Robert at September

I laughed harder at this than I should have!

Posted by: Piper at September 02, 2024 11:34 AM (/sySz)

137 Dumb and dumber and dumberer.

https://is.gd/US6uIi

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at September 02, 2024 11:34 AM (L/fGl)

138 It's a deflection, of course, like saying that Joan of Arc died of a 'thermal event'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

"Rapid unscheduled disassembly" as Space X calls it's rockets blowing up.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 02, 2024 11:35 AM (4XwPj)

139 Did you say Cyber Truck! Quick, get a picture of it!

https://is.gd/d5nxTb
____

Philadelphia?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 02, 2024 11:35 AM (fs1hN)

140 All while shutting down nuclear and coal fired plants.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 02, 2024 11:33 AM (63Dwl)

Streamlining the grid!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2024 11:35 AM (d9fT1)

141 *Assumes that maybe Piper's little legs reach the floor while sitting in her chair*
Posted by: Robert

That was easily remedied. Kindergarten desk and chairs work fine.

Posted by: 16" Bicycle, Too at September 02, 2024 11:35 AM (CV8a5)

142 We should have powered our B-29s with lithium batteries and electric engines!

Posted by: Woke Zombie Curtis LeMay at September 02, 2024 11:36 AM (592Pr)

143 Like an angular version of Trigglypuff in car form.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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You just do not understand post-modern 'elegant' design. Coldness and sterility are hip.

Which reminds me, I need to obtain a few copies of 'From Bauhaus to Our House'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2024 11:36 AM (XeU6L)

144 If they were sincere in this, they would have been pushing hybrids for the last 30 years instead of the EV fantasy that will require an impossible amount of electricity, raw materials, magic batteries [even if those are improving], and an impossible amount of infrastructure to achieve.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 02, 2024 11:27 AM (CEzQx)

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Hybrids are also too heavy for the roads when compared to the light modern ICE cars.

Posted by: Decaf at September 02, 2024 11:36 AM (NK5Xn)

145 Posted by: Common Tater at September 02, 2024 11:30 AM (gkbzD)

did you say Starliner?

https://tinyurl.com/mwr8vp6d

Posted by: BignJames at September 02, 2024 11:36 AM (AwYPR)

146 We should have powered our B-29s with lithium batteries and electric engines!

Posted by: Woke Zombie Curtis LeMay

They should have just dropped lithium batteries on Japan.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:37 AM (jn+Mh)

147 112 OTOH, Hyundai has an 80's throwback electric car that looks pretty bad ass.
____

I like Kia styling better, but Hyundai has it's own merits. Chrysler has the Challenger (but it comes with Chrysler engineering, unfortunately), Ford had the Mustang, but the new version is hideous. Gotta give the land of kimchi and k-pop the edge.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 02, 2024 11:38 AM (fs1hN)

148 > That video is deeply depressing.
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It's also pretty telling about the state of our society.

Depressing or Stupidity... or both.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 02, 2024 11:38 AM (Q4IgG)

149 All my trucks are burning down, burning down
All my trucks are burning down, burning down
And my business's blown away.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2024 11:38 AM (z3hm2)

150
All while shutting down nuclear and coal fired plants.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 02, 2024 11:33 AM (63Dwl)

__________

They will take your house and property by eminent domain, pay you $0.02 an acre and move you to a 15-minute city where your family will live in a 200 square foot communal apartment.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 02, 2024 11:39 AM (v3+kb)

151 If the mob wasn't so use to big lies, they would have you torn to bite size pieces. But me, I'm just a tiny more mellow.
People won't trust any government till the wrong doers hang or the stockade.
Maybe give them nothing but bread, rice. Carbohydrate them to death.
Only after fair hearing.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 02, 2024 11:39 AM (fVruI)

152 If they were sincere in this, they would have been pushing hybrids for the last 30 years instead of the EV fantasy...

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Spoiler alert:

They're not sincere about this. It's a purposeful push towards conditioning us to allow them to control our movement.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie at September 02, 2024 11:39 AM (rpkZg)

153
Wait till they develop the white phosphorus battery!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 02, 2024 11:40 AM (v3+kb)

154 All while shutting down nuclear and coal fired plants.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 02, 2024 11:33 AM (63Dwl)

Streamlining the grid!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2024 11:35 AM (d9fT1)

Infrastructure rationalization.

Posted by: McKinsey Consultant at September 02, 2024 11:40 AM (Aqu9a)

155 135 Near as I can see not engulfed in flames yet.

Posted by: Eromero at September 02, 2024 11:31 AM (LHPAg)

The smell is the worst part. I never worry about fire when I spill gas...and I usually spill it when I fuel or drain stuff.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2024 11:33 AM (d9fT1
The cat does not like the smell, either.

Posted by: Eromero at September 02, 2024 11:41 AM (LHPAg)

156 ...I got some gas on my hands filling the mower this morning. Near as I can see not engulfed in flames yet.
Posted by: Eromero at September 02, 2024 11:31 AM (LHPAg)

By time it quits raining down here on the coast, and the lawn dries out about 1.5 days, enough to mow... I'll have to flip the mower over, and install machetes instead of the normal blade.

Over a week of constant rain. I'm also replacing the steel mower body with a wooden, minature Ark.

I'd actually opt to pay a "pro" to come deal with it, but those bastards have the deck set so HIGH on their mowers, that the lawn needs mowing AGAIN by time they get their equipment loaded back on their trailer.

Sadly, yet... the lawn still remains too wet for the flamethower to be effective.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 02, 2024 11:41 AM (kQgoX)

157
Streamlining the grid!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 02, 2024 11:35 AM (d9fT1)

_________

Pedal harder, serf. Gaia demands it.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 02, 2024 11:41 AM (v3+kb)

158 Rivian ... in Illinois. So another corporate loss for Illinois.

All that smoke and fire ... but the vehicles that don't burn are very clean, not counting all the filth in their mining for lithium and the rest, and not counting the production of electricity from old "dirty" sources.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 02, 2024 11:42 AM (Cus5s)

159 Exploding EV weather here this week.
Over 111° by Thursday.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 02, 2024 11:43 AM (PwlLn)

160 I have always assumed that the powers that be are trying to get us off of coal, oil, and gas for transport and power know that their alternatives won't work, but it is an easier way to stop us from being mobile and living where we want.

It is so obvious that they are lying, and borrowing vast sums of money to subsidize things that cannot work.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:43 AM (jn+Mh)

161
Philadelphia?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 02, 2024 11:35 AM

Not sure. The comments are making reference to a Philadelphia Eagles football player who recently bought a blue cyber truck, but it may be for the lulz factor.

With what they can do with AI now, I'm not sure it's real.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 02, 2024 11:43 AM (RKVpM)

162 145 Posted by: Common Tater at September 02, 2024 11:30 AM (gkbzD)

did you say Starliner?

https://tinyurl.com/mwr8vp6d
Posted by: BignJames at September 02, 2024 11:36 AM (AwYPR)
It's INSIDE the house!

Posted by: Eromero at September 02, 2024 11:44 AM (LHPAg)

163 It's amazing to me that when coal fired power plants were emitting mercury at 15 parts per million it was critical to reduce that to 10 parts per million to save 100,000 lives per year, or something like that, but 50+ lithium batteries in trucks pouring their entire contents of toxic crap into the atmosphere is no big thing.

Posted by: George V at September 02, 2024 11:44 AM (ugbqN)

164 . . . some stupid with a Rivian
burned the place to the ground.

Posted by: Updated Lyrics at September 02, 2024 11:44 AM (Aqu9a)

165 I've tended the ribs.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:44 AM (HnUIn)

166 Uh oh. Swiftboating.

The Megyn Kelly Show
@MegynKellyShow
"Morally indefensible...no integrity...habitual liar...I call him a coward, because he is..."
TOMORROW: Veterans who served with Tim Walz in the National Guard speak out together for the first time.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at September 02, 2024 11:45 AM (L/fGl)

167 Why did Amazon go with Rivian?
Amazon co-founded The Climate Pledge in 2019 and made a commitment to achieve net-zero carbon by 2040. As part of that Pledge, Amazon also announced a partnership with Rivian to bring 100,000 electric delivery vehicles on the road by 2030 and got to work on designing a new state-of-the-art delivery vehicle.

Founding partner of Global Optimism: Thomas Charles Rivett-Carnac OBE (born 1977) is a former political strategist for the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. He is also an author on climate change policy, a podcaster and an advisor to corporations and governments on climate solutions.

(He's also) a Fellow at the Bezos Earth Fund.[9]

Wikipedia
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The Climate Pledge: The Climate Pledge is a commitment to reach net-zero carbon emissions by 2040. It brings the world’s top companies together to accelerate joint action, cross-sector collaboration, and responsible change.

Signatories, Meet the lineup - Co-founded by Global Optimism and Amazon, The Climate Pledge is powered by 511 companies in 45 countries around the globe.
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Of course, Amazon customers, drivers (covered under DOT) & regular citizens shall pay.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at September 02, 2024 11:46 AM (NFX2v)

168 Why not make the trucks out of fireproof stuff like asbestos?

Problemo solved.

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2024 11:46 AM (RG6z4)

169
I've tended the ribs.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:44 AM (HnUIn)

_________

That's the signal!

*grabs gun*
*assembles resistance cell*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 02, 2024 11:46 AM (v3+kb)

170 Let's bring in tons of tuna and use them to suck up the mercury.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 02, 2024 11:47 AM (fVruI)

171 The Climate Pledge: The Climate Pledge is a commitment to reach net-zero carbon emissions by 2040. It brings the world’s top companies together to accelerate joint action, cross-sector collaboration, and responsible change.

They are going to have to kill a billion or more people to reach net zero.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:47 AM (jn+Mh)

172 The lizard people are preparing to attack Starliner.

Starliner crew reports hearing strange "sonar like noises" emanating from their craft. This is the real audio of it:

https://tinyurl.com/6veerhbh
Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:28 AM (xCA6C)

One ping, and one ping only, Grxlb!

Posted by: Captain Drwklx at September 02, 2024 11:48 AM (Aqu9a)

173 Kamala is all in on electric vehicles. Green New Deal you know.

Don't forget California is to go all electric by 2035 (or so) that means not only delivery vans but 18 wheelers and trains and anything that moves....I bet other states will follow as they usually do.

Didn't a car carrying ship burn out and sink just a while ago, and video shows a EV starting the fire?

Posted by: Colin at September 02, 2024 11:48 AM (e8qy3)

174
They are going to have to kill a billion or more people to reach net zero.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:47 AM (jn+Mh)

_______

No sacrifice is too great.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 02, 2024 11:48 AM (v3+kb)

175 169

No! The signal is “drink more ovaltine”

Posted by: Piper at September 02, 2024 11:49 AM (/sySz)

176 Hilarious video somewhat related to this thread:

Wall Street Silver @WallStreetSilv Aug 31
The blue wrap on that Cybertruck looks amazing.

https://tinyurl.com/29ed5wwz
only 4 seconds

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 02, 2024 11:49 AM (CEzQx)

177 No! The signal is “drink more ovaltine”
Posted by: Piper at September 02, 2024 11:49 AM (/sySz)
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I thought the Monday code was: Fun Size Joe has long butt fur.

Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2024 11:50 AM (RG6z4)

178 Kinda off topic but This genius meteorologist needs an refresher course in cause and effect.

https://x.com/RyanMaue/status/1830404100053246455

TOP. MEN.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at September 02, 2024 11:50 AM (AiZBA)

179 The Climate Pledge: The Climate Pledge is a commitment to reach net-zero carbon emissions by 2040. It brings the world’s top companies together to accelerate joint action, cross-sector collaboration, and responsible change.

-

We'll just ignore the part where one individual is personally tied to 25%+ or so of all domestic trash in the United States.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie at September 02, 2024 11:51 AM (rpkZg)

180 Don't forget California is to go all electric by 2035 (or so) that means not only delivery vans but 18 wheelers and trains and anything that moves.

-

An ICE semi hauls 40,000 pounds of goods, has a range of 2000 miles, and takes six minutes to fill the tank.

An EV semi hauls 30,000 pounds of goods and 9,000 pounds of batteries that don't pay freight, has a range of 500 miles, and takes a few hours to recharge.

Let's talk about the cost of shipping.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:51 AM (jn+Mh)

181 "Starliner crew reports hearing strange "sonar like noises" emanating from their craft. This is the real audio of it:"

looks like they decided it was a comms feedback thang ... no big deal.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 02, 2024 11:52 AM (Cus5s)

182 Clearly it is a shortage of batteries that don't catch fire!

Posted by: Tom at September 02, 2024 11:52 AM (BdDHC)

183 Kinda off topic but This genius meteorologist needs an refresher course in cause and effect.

https://x.com/RyanMaue/status/1830404100053246455

TOP. MEN.

“It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.”
― Richard P. Feynman

Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:52 AM (xCA6C)

184 The electric vehicle is like a very electronically-sophisticated buggy whip.

Posted by: Dirac_Delta at September 02, 2024 11:52 AM (cGwhC)

185 The Climate Pledge: The Climate Pledge is a commitment to reach net-zero carbon emissions by 2040. It brings the world’s top companies together to accelerate joint action, cross-sector collaboration, and responsible change.

They are going to have to kill a billion or more people to reach net zero.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:47 AM (jn+Mh)

I can live with that.

Posted by: FBI Agent Johnson at September 02, 2024 11:52 AM (Aqu9a)

186 I drove a cyber truck a while back. It is a huge vehicle that has no practical purpose, and horrible visibility. The smart car is more practical.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

Yeah, but~! How was the steering?

Also, in the apocalypse you don't need to see that stuff.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 02, 2024 11:53 AM (IG4Id)

187 "Starliner crew reports hearing strange "sonar like noises" emanating from their craft. This is the real audio of it:"

looks like they decided it was a comms feedback thang ... no big deal.

With their recent track record, I'd sleep with one eye open.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:53 AM (xCA6C)

188 Just looked up some numbers. A friend has a 2022 Ford F150 Lightning hybrid, 8250 lbs. The gas version F150 is 5794 lb.

That was a quick search, not 100% confident of the numbers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2024 11:53 AM (XeU6L)

189 Darn! My #176 is the same as Divide by Zero's #119!

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 02, 2024 11:54 AM (CEzQx)

190 This blonde in white does like the balls-to-the-wall acceleration of EV sports cars:
http://tiny.cc/wuikzz

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:54 AM (HnUIn)

191
It brings the world’s top companies together to accelerate joint action, cross-sector collaboration, and responsible change.

Sounds like the results of a random word mission statement generator.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 02, 2024 11:54 AM (63Dwl)

192 Yeah, but~! How was the steering?

Also, in the apocalypse you don't need to see that stuff.

Posted by: weft cut-loop

The cyber truck has four wheel steering. In a parking lot, it drives like pushing a shopping cart backwards. Very disconcerting.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:54 AM (jn+Mh)

193 TOP. MEN.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV

That's a headscratcher alright.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at September 02, 2024 11:54 AM (L/fGl)

194 This blonde in white does like the balls-to-the-wall acceleration of EV sports cars:

Wide birthing hips.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:55 AM (xCA6C)

195 "Starliner crew reports hearing strange "sonar like noises" emanating from their craft. This is the real audio of it:"
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One ping only Vasily.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2024 11:55 AM (XeU6L)

196 Harris-Walz are for whatever takes the $ from most of our pockets and directs it elsewhere so the progressives may claim they've "Built (Build) Back Better" for civil society/tiered Army of Followers.

Where else would be 'fun' $?

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at September 02, 2024 11:55 AM (NFX2v)

197 This blonde in white does like the balls-to-the-wall acceleration of EV sports cars:
http://tiny.cc/wuikzz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 11:54 AM (HnUIn)

Pretty face. Weird art.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 02, 2024 11:56 AM (Aqu9a)

198
Darn! My #176 is the same as Divide by Zero's #119!

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 02, 2024 11:54 AM

Beatcha to it. Good to know I wasn't the only one who laughed. I just took it as well crafted AI and not real.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 02, 2024 11:56 AM (RKVpM)

199 >>>The blue wrap on that Cybertruck looks amazing.

https://tinyurl.com/29ed5wwz
only 4 seconds
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx)
--------------------

Awsome. Use stop feature or .25 speed and note human being rolled by a SUV.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2024 11:56 AM (z3hm2)

200 Just looked up some numbers. A friend has a 2022 Ford F150 Lightning hybrid, 8250 lbs. The gas version F150 is 5794 lb.

That was a quick search, not 100% confident of the numbers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer

My study of EV included replacing tires at 3X of an ICE vehicle of the same capacity. In certain terrains, it is 4X the wear.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 11:57 AM (jn+Mh)

201 The smart car is more practical.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
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Rather low bar.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2024 11:57 AM (XeU6L)

202 177 No! The signal is “drink more ovaltine”
Posted by: Piper at September 02, 2024 11:49 AM (/sySz)
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I thought the Monday code was: Fun Size Joe has long butt fur.
Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2024

I think we may need another calibration call.

Posted by: Piper at September 02, 2024 11:57 AM (/sySz)

203 Well, yes. (Insty)

Kremlin prefers Harris, calls her ‘predictable’

Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:57 AM (xCA6C)

204 177 No! The signal is “drink more ovaltine”
Posted by: Piper at September 02, 2024 11:49 AM (/sySz)
----
I thought the Monday code was: Fun Size Joe has long butt fur.
Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2024

I think we may need another calibration call.
Posted by: Piper at September 02, 2024 11:57 AM (/sySz)

Time to simonize our watches.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 02, 2024 11:58 AM (Aqu9a)

205 My study of EV included replacing tires at 3X of an ICE vehicle of the same capacity. In certain terrains, it is 4X the wear.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
---------

In a parking lot, I saw a Tesla being loaded on a AAA roll-back tow truck. The lady who owned was standing, watching. Out of curiosity, I asked her what the problem was. 'Flat tire' she responded. I asked why they didn't just change the wheel. 'It doesn't have a spare' she replied.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2024 12:00 PM (XeU6L)

206 194 This blonde in white does like the balls-to-the-wall acceleration of EV sports cars:

Wide birthing hips.
Posted by: Archimedes
_____

Unfair advantage in natural selection. Soon trannies will demand taxpayer funded hip widening surgery in order to be able to compete. For equality.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 02, 2024 12:00 PM (fs1hN)

207 About Rivan and Bezos. Bezos knows how to sell things and buy people. He's not an engineer, not even a mechanic. That fire is his money going up in flames that's much he has.

Bezos should stay on his yacht with his arcade girl and think up something viable to sell.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2024 12:00 PM (z3hm2)

208 Time to simonize our watches.
____

No simony!

Posted by: M. Luther at September 02, 2024 12:01 PM (fs1hN)

209 A Rivian shipping truck caught fire in thr parking lot, just sitting there. Seems concerning.

Posted by: Ribbed at September 02, 2024 12:01 PM (wej9e)

210
Time to simonize our watches.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 02, 2024 11:58 AM

So that we can wax philosophic about the passage of time like Kamala?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 02, 2024 12:03 PM (RKVpM)

211 ...Time to simonize our watches.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 02, 2024 11:58 AM (Aqu9a)

Shiny watches are but reflections of our times.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 02, 2024 12:03 PM (kQgoX)

212 Steve Miller will never sing, 'Big Starliner'.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2024 12:03 PM (z3hm2)

213 Over visiting my parents, if my mom can drag my dad away from Band of Brothers marathon on AMC we are going to lunch

Posted by: Skip at September 02, 2024 12:03 PM (yuI/n)

214 The rugs are straightened and the bathroom is tidied.

I'm essentially ready for company now.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 12:04 PM (HnUIn)

215 This blonde in white does like the balls-to-the-wall acceleration of EV sports cars:
http://tiny.cc/wuikzz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

She seems natural and nice.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 02, 2024 12:04 PM (/lPRQ)

216 Notice the chinese garbage plastic items that cannot last six months with exposure to UV rays. That same plastic is supposed to seal the lithium in their batteries.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 12:05 PM (jn+Mh)

217 The millions of semi-literate new Americans being imported will make this technology work and be feasible where despite decades of massive funding Americas best and brightest engineers/scientists have failed. At least I think that is the plan.

Posted by: Ripley at September 02, 2024 12:05 PM (GUOwU)

218 The rugs are straightened and the bathroom is tidied.

I'm essentially ready for company now.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 12:04 PM (HnUIn)

You should not be pulling the rugs out from under your company and tossing them into your bathroom...just saying.

Posted by: Boswell at September 02, 2024 12:06 PM (K+UlC)

219 Hub and I are gonna go see Reagan with some others from church.

Dennis Quaid spent two years preparing for the role.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 02, 2024 12:06 PM (L2iJY)

220 Hopefully Amazon has the software source in escrow as well as detailed manuals for service and repairs.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 02, 2024 12:06 PM (gbOdA)

221 She seems natural and nice.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
-------------------------------

More than $20 that's for sure.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2024 12:07 PM (z3hm2)

222 You should not be pulling the rugs out from under your company and tossing them into your bathroom...just saying.
Posted by: Boswell at September 02, 2024 12:06 PM (K+UlC)
++++
This sounds like crazy talk, but I'll take it under advisement.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 12:07 PM (HnUIn)

223 Haven't seen a Dennis Quaid movie I didn't like.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2024 12:08 PM (z3hm2)

224 217 The millions of semi-literate new Americans being imported will make this technology work and be feasible where despite decades of massive funding Americas best and brightest engineers/scientists have failed. At least I think that is the plan.
____

Everything seems to be pointed to replacing the recalcitrant populace with compliant droogs. But I'm not allowed to say that because it is racist or something. I'm not sure what we are supposed to say, maybe we're bringing in more sparks of divinity to fill out Bush I's vision of a thousand points of light?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 02, 2024 12:09 PM (fs1hN)

225 This sounds like crazy talk, but I'll take it under advisement.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 12:07 PM (HnUIn)

Your just being hoity because you're employed now - the unemployed Skid Row Joe would understand.

Posted by: Boswell at September 02, 2024 12:10 PM (K+UlC)

226 Starliner crew reports hearing strange "sonar like noises" emanating from their craft. This is the real audio of it:

https://tinyurl.com/6veerhbh
Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:28 AM (xCA6C)

It's alive!

Posted by: javems at September 02, 2024 12:10 PM (8I4hW)

227 Kamala made so many collard greens for her friend's party that she had to wash them in her bathtub, man.

https://tinyurl.com/7khfksse

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at September 02, 2024 12:10 PM (paSBy)

228 Awesome. Use stop feature or .25 speed and note human being rolled by a SUV.
---------
Using the Mel Brooks' Rule of Funny, I thought it was hilarious!

"Tragedy is when I stub my toe. Comedy is when you fall into an open manhole and die."

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 02, 2024 12:11 PM (CEzQx)

229 Starliner crew reports hearing strange "sonar like noises" emanating from their craft. This is the real audio of it:

https://tinyurl.com/6veerhbh
Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 11:28 AM (xCA6C)

It's alive!
Posted by: javems

Is it birthing?

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 02, 2024 12:11 PM (4XwPj)

230
The millions of semi-literate new Americans being imported will make this technology work and be feasible where despite decades of massive funding Americas best and brightest engineers/scientists have failed. At least I think that is the plan.

Posted by: Ripley at September 02, 2024 12:05 PM

Theoretically, given enough monkeys banging away on a typewriter one of them could write a Shakespeare novel. I'd put the odds of that happening the same as an un-vetted 'newcomer' being of much value.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 02, 2024 12:12 PM (RKVpM)

231 Kamala made so many collard greens for her friend's party that she had to wash them in her bathtub, man.

Vice President Kamala Harris told a voter in Savannah, Georgia, last week that she made so many collard greens for a friend’s Christmas party that she washed them in the bathtub.

“I have a friend who had a Christmas Party Christmas Eve every year, and she asked me to make the greens for her party every year. And I am not lying to you, that I would make so many greens, that I’d need to wash them in the bathtub. I’m telling you the truth.” Harris said.

Harris then divulged her recipe, which the voter seemed to appreciate.

When someone repeatedly feels the need to tell you they aren't lying, they're lying.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 12:12 PM (xCA6C)

232 What is a suicide drone? Is a drone sentient? Is it going to get 70 drone virgins in drone heaven? What a stupid media term.

Posted by: actually inside the beltway at September 02, 2024 12:12 PM (naiw2)

233 When someone repeatedly feels the need to tell you they aren't lying, they're lying.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 12:12 PM (xCA6C)

I thought the same thing.

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at September 02, 2024 12:13 PM (FfSAJ)

234 ... “I have a friend who had a Christmas Party Christmas Eve every year, and she asked me to make the greens for her party every year. And I am not lying to you, that I would make so many greens, that I’d need to wash them in the bathtub. I’m telling you the truth.” Harris said.

Harris then divulged her recipe, which the voter seemed to appreciate. ...
Posted by: Archimedes at September 02, 2024 12:12 PM (xCA6C)
++++
Bullshit.

Not that this never happens, but that this never happened to Harris. There is *no* chance she prepared a single meal - let alone multiple meals - at that scale herself.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 12:13 PM (HnUIn)

235 The millions of semi-literate new Americans being imported will be building houses, driving OTR vehicles with CLD licenses, working in daycare (Adult and Child) industries, as nurses' & teachers' aids and pharmacy assistants, and more. As they are now.

The millions of literate will help run the show. As they are now.

And all buying houses and cars.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at September 02, 2024 12:13 PM (NFX2v)

236 "Tragedy is when I stub my toe. Comedy is when you fall into an open manhole and die."
Posted by: andycanuck
------

“The secret source of humor is not joy but sorrow" -- Mark Twain

I often amend, 'Yeah, someone elses sorrow'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2024 12:14 PM (XeU6L)

237 231 Kamala made so many collard greens for her friend's party that she had to wash them in her bathtub, man.
______

Did she pick the hair out when she pulled the greens out of the tub?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 02, 2024 12:14 PM (fs1hN)

238 “The secret source of humor is not joy but sorrow" -- Mark Twain

I often amend, 'Yeah, someone elses sorrow'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2024 12:14 PM (XeU6L)

Don't interrupt the sorrow...

Posted by: Joni Mitchell at September 02, 2024 12:15 PM (PiwSw)

239 I think it's more likely Harris has a jerk chicken or butter chicken recipe.

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at September 02, 2024 12:15 PM (FfSAJ)

240 Guess which publicly traded shares I'm shorting?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 02, 2024 12:15 PM (oXJtT)

241 Speaking of retarded car stories…

Saw a video on YouTube of a condo in Miami (where else) where your car lives your condo. There’s space for parking 2 cars and an elevator you drive into and drive out of at your floor. It’s a Porsche Branded condo. And soon there will be one for Bentley owners.

Posted by: Write it off Jerry at September 02, 2024 12:15 PM (VMq97)

242 Saw a video on YouTube of a condo in Miami (where else) where your car lives your condo. There’s space for parking 2 cars and an elevator you drive into and drive out of at your floor. It’s a Porsche Branded condo. And soon there will be one for Bentley owners.
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at September 02, 2024 12:15 PM (VMq97)
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Man, lots of money tied up in a design like that. Neat gimmick, though, if you can find enough insanely rich people to fill it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 12:16 PM (HnUIn)

243 235 The millions of semi-literate new Americans being imported will be building houses, driving OTR vehicles with CLD licenses, working in daycare (Adult and Child) industries, as nurses' & teachers' aids and pharmacy assistants, and more. As they are now.

The millions of literate will help run the show. As they are now.

And all buying houses and cars.
Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at September 02, 2024 12:13 PM (NFX2v)
They are not coming to do that, they're coming forn the reconquista. Not here to hang sheetrock.

Posted by: Eromero at September 02, 2024 12:16 PM (LHPAg)

244 NOOD FURRY

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 12:16 PM (HnUIn)

245 Kamala is as black as a veggie samosa.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 02, 2024 12:16 PM (oXJtT)

246
Kamala made so many collard greens for her friend's party that she had to wash them in her bathtub, man.

Like the Seinfeld episode where Kramer washes his lettuce in the shower?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 02, 2024 12:16 PM (RKVpM)

247 I looks like that rivian EV fire is putting a lot of dangerous shit in the air. I guess it is no big deal because....

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 02, 2024 12:16 PM (17s+e)

248
When someone repeatedly feels the need to tell you they aren't lying, they're lying.
Posted by: Archimedes
------------------------

Surprised she is capable of talking about cooking greens.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 02, 2024 12:17 PM (z3hm2)

249 Saw a video on YouTube of a condo in Miami (where else) where your car lives your condo. There’s space for parking 2 cars and an elevator you drive into and drive out of at your floor. It’s a Porsche Branded condo. And soon there will be one for Bentley owners.
Posted by: Write it off Jerry
------------

What could go wrong?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2024 12:17 PM (XeU6L)

250 239 I think it's more likely Harris has a jerk chicken or butter chicken recipe.
____

I'm a white guy and I have my own collard greens recipe, though. A woman in the majority black neighborhood grocery store I go to was a little skeptical when I was picking over the greens looking for the right batch until I told her how I planned to cook them.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 02, 2024 12:18 PM (fs1hN)

251 Faced with the distinct possibility that the company may not exist in five years, why would I spend $70 to $100k on a truck? Simple question.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * unburdened at September 02, 2024 12:18 PM (VDKGo)

252 “The secret source of humor is not joy but sorrow" -- Mark Twain

I often amend, 'Yeah, someone else's sorrow'.
-------
BTW, the Iranian helicopter that crashed, killing all the bigwigs in it, was due to 'climatic conditions'; so chalk one up for Global Warming!

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 02, 2024 12:19 PM (CEzQx)

253 Notice the chinese garbage plastic items that cannot last six months with exposure to UV rays. That same plastic is supposed to seal the lithium in their batteries.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 02, 2024 12:05 PM (jn+Mh)

---------------

This is the same plastic that will supposedly pollute the world for five hundred years and must be replaced by plant-based biodegradable bags, containers etc.

Anyone who has packed away something in a plastic bag and looked for it in a couple of years would have found the bag had disintegrated. Makes you wonder about our decision-makers, don't they do any of this stuff to not know it?

Posted by: Decaf at September 02, 2024 12:19 PM (NK5Xn)

254 Faced with the distinct possibility that the company may not exist in five years, why would I spend $70 to $100k on a truck? Simple question.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * unburdened at September 02, 2024 12:18 PM (VDKGo)
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This is a serious problem, yes.

People will buy a ticket with a bankrupt airline. Worst case scenario, they're out a couple of hundred bucks but even that seems unlikely.

Buying a car from a bankrupt manufacturer, though? Oy. Tens of thousands of dollars on something I have to live with for *years* and the company that sold it to me is gone? That's a whole 'nother level.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 02, 2024 12:20 PM (HnUIn)

255
Starliner crew reports hearing strange "sonar like noises" emanating from their craft.

Planet Earth is blue and there's nothing they can do.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 02, 2024 12:21 PM (63Dwl)

256 Buying a car from a bankrupt manufacturer, though? Oy. Tens of thousands of dollars on something I have to live with for *years* and the company that sold it to me is gone? That's a whole 'nother level.
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The good news is that it won't last for *years*.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 02, 2024 12:22 PM (fs1hN)

257 I believe the part that’s missing is the one that doesn’t burst into flames.

Posted by: Prof. Phinneas Phlogiston at September 02, 2024 12:22 PM (1wdUl)

258 So Ford just lost another $5 billion this year on EVs. That puts EV losses at $12-15 billion. That takes a lot of profitable vehicles to make up for... nah won't be made up for.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 02, 2024 12:23 PM (17s+e)

259
Starliner crew reports hearing strange "sonar like noises" emanating from their craft.

Someone mentioned they have lithium batteries onboard. I have a 2K watt battery that sits near me, close to an outside door. When the sun hits it directly it makes all kinds of weird ticking noises. The electrons get restless or something.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 02, 2024 12:26 PM (RKVpM)

260 Simple question.
Posted by: Sock Monkey
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Virtue-signaling social status?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2024 12:27 PM (XeU6L)

261 That's a whole 'nother level.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

My own hillbilly, recycled footware, WAG analysis is that one out of five vehicles on the road are driven by someone who can't afford them. Had a chat with a gentleman and his wife this weekend. Both work in the auto sales industry in the Seattle area and a significant part of their jobs deal with repos. According to him, repos are skyrocketing. The average car repos and sold at auction is less then three years old. The misdirected emphasis on EVs is only a portion of the bigger issue in the auto industry.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * unburdened at September 02, 2024 12:30 PM (VDKGo)

262 Do the quantities of released gases and carbon products from these fires get reported in their environment emissions reports?

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at September 02, 2024 12:38 PM (TOe+Q)

263 Virtue-signaling social status?
Posted by: Mike Hammer,

Undeniably true. How many young buy a low budget car that is within their economic capabilities anymore? In my life, cars are a tool. That's it, nothing more.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * unburdened at September 02, 2024 12:39 PM (VDKGo)

264 Time to simonize our watches.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 02, 2024 11:58 AM (Aqu9a)

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at September 02, 2024 12:47 PM (iODuv)

265 It's a write off, Jerry. They just write it off.

Posted by: Kramer at September 02, 2024 12:53 PM (dg+HA)

266 That photo of the burned out vans in the Rivian parking lot reminded me of the lot of burned-out cars that had been torched by Antifa here in Kenosha. It looks like the left is cutting out the middle man, by mandating vehicles that self-immolate.

Posted by: Nemo at September 02, 2024 12:56 PM (S6ArX)

267 The blue wrap on that Cybertruck looks amazing.

https://tinyurl.com/29ed5wwz
only 4 seconds
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 02, 2024 11:49 AM (CEzQx)

It looks amazingly like somebody used a roller to paint it with house paint.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 02, 2024 01:49 PM (YrMFo)

268 “The secret source of humor is not joy but sorrow" -- Mark Twain
I often amend, 'Yeah, someone elses sorrow.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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That's like the definition of "adventure":
Something bad happening to someone else, far, far away.

Posted by: buddhaha at September 02, 2024 02:21 PM (Pwf7s)

269 Even as a hybrid, I don’t want something like this in my garage. I’d never be comfortable with a car that can spontaneously combust, and cannot be practically extinguished.

I get the advantages of electric drive - the torque and acceleration it provides relative to an ICE that needs to shift through gears and maintain optimal rpm’s. The combustible batteries are just too much of a risk for me.

Posted by: Advo at September 02, 2024 04:03 PM (jO4mz)

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