J.D. Vance in a journalistic freeze-frame

California Gov. Gavin Newsom signed legislation on Tuesday making it illegal to "with malice, knowingly distribute an advertisement or other election communication containing materially deceptive content," 120 before an election and 60 days after.

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Official efforts to limit disinformation, misinformation, "deceptive content", etc. are all the rage right now. As are counter-measures to protect free speech. It would be nice if our journalistic class had some standards which would make some of them seem trustworthy.

Below, some thoughts on "deceptive content":

Journalistic Framing

In his Wednesday Morning Rant this week, Joe Mannix analyzed journalistic accounts of a dramatic story.

Framing

In any account of any event, there are always two primary components: the facts, and the framing of those facts. Facts are irrefutable. They are, or they are not. There can be a lie or a misapprehension presented as a fact and thus facts are subject to - in the language of our day - debunking, but it is still a matter of fact as such. It is or it isn't. Facts, though, are only part of the story. Sometimes they aren't even the dominant part. The other part is how those facts are framed.

His conclusion is worth remembering:

Set aside any lies or implications. Even if everything in every article is true, the articles are still deliberately manipulative. The frame is determined first, then the facts are inserted to support the frame. Facts that don't support the frame are omitted. Context that could lead a reader to question the frame is omitted. Nuance is forbidden. Subtlety is excised.

This is how public opinion is directed and consent is manufactured. This is the purpose of journalism.

Freeze-Framing

What happens when Saul Alinsky's 13th rule from Rules for Radicals is applied to individuals along with "framing" as described by Joe Mannix above?

Remember the campaign to freeze, personalize and polarize J.D. Vance (and Donald Trump) as "weird" as soon as Vance was chosen as the VP nominee? Remember when Tim Walz actually repeated the claim that Vance's book contained a passage in which he had sex with a couch, based on pure fraud?

Is Walz at all worried about being arrested by Hillary Clinton for misinformation or Gavin Newsom for spreading materially deceptive content?

Freeze-framing J.D. Vance as "weird", and as "a threat to democracy"

One small example

On September 10, a 44-second video clip of J.D. Vance speaking appeared on an apparent internet sleuth site with the mission statement: "Dedicated research monitoring and exposing right-wing extremism and other threats to democracy." The clip was from an April 2021 Viva Frei podcast (with Robert Barnes) in which J.D. Vance was the guest. I think the Viva Frei podcast was produced in Canada and the interview took place before Vance started his Senate race. The video is more than 1 1/2 hours long. The tiny clip from the podcast on the alarmist site is an example of "freezing" to personalize and polarize the words of an individual. There was no attempt to identify when or where the clip originated or the context of the words.

The commentary with the alarmist video clip was "JD Vance said he sees today's politics as a continuation of Yankees versus the South with today's Yankees being "northern woke people." This was not what J.D. Vance said. The site, through its mission statement, automatically categorized the clip as "right-wing extremism" and "a threat to democracy". The comment thread is wild. One early comment labeled Vance "a traitor".

This little clip would not be a real big deal, except that it was picked up by others, including erstwhile "True Conservative" Jonathan Last, who embedded the clip in a piece at The Bulwark, (dedicated to saving the world from Trump):

JD Vance and the "Southern Bourbons"

Kind of weird to see yourself as part of a modern incarnation of the Civil War - - and that you're on the side of the slaveholders.

Jonathan Last

Again with the "weird" framing. Isn't Last embarrassed to have become such a tool of a political party?

And now, freeze-framing Vance as "on the side of the slaveholders"

You might notice that this framing comes from the mind of Jonathan Last rather than from the words of J.D. Vance.

1. Choosing Sides

The other day JD Vance did that thing where conservatives talk about modern America in terms of civil war.

But there was a twist. Vance wasn’t talking about a civil war. He was talking about the Civil War. And he was locating the battle lines in an intriguing way: He said that today’s liberals were like the Yankees.

Conservatives and only conservatives talk about modern America in terms of civil war?

It wasn't "the other day" either. It was more than 3 years ago.

I agree with Vance, actually. I’m just kind of shocked that he’s willing to admit that in this parallel, Democrats and liberals are the abolitionists and he’s on the side of the slaveholders.

Actually, scratch that. I’m not shocked at all.

To his credit, Vance has enough sense not to say “slaveholders” out loud. Instead, he deploys a classy euphemism, calling those Very Fine People “Southern Bourbons.” That’s nice.

So, Jonathan Last paints a picture of Democrats and liberals as abolitionists, with Vance on the side of the slaveholders in today's civil war! And Vance is just using "Southern Bourbons" as a classy euphemism for "slaveholders", or "Very Fine People"! Freeze, personalize and polarize.

Mr. Last's statement above sounds pretty classy to me, framing all conservative Southerners as "slaveholders" or "very fine people" (wink, wink) - - referring to a favorite, oft-repeated false frame used against President Trump and all . Clever! and polarizing!

You should read his full quote, because it’s even more nativist than it sounds.

American history is a constant war between Northern Yankees and Southern Bourbons, where whichever side the hillbillies are on, wins. And that’s kind of how I think about American politics today, is like, the Northern Yankees are now the hyper-woke, coastal elites. The Southern Bourbons are sort of the same old-school Southern folks that have been around and influential in this country for 200 years. And it’s like the hillbillies have really started to migrate towards the Southern Bourbons instead of the Northern woke people. That’s just a fundamental thing that’s happening in American politics.

The above is Last's version of Vance's "full quote". But it's not the "full quote" from the little video clip he embedded in his commentary. Let alone the "full quote" from the original podcast, which discussed Vance's book, Hillbilly Elegy and the possibility of a senate run in Ohio, among other things.

Here's the actual first sentence of Last's alarmist-sourced video clip:

But Mike once told me (laugh) that American history is a constant war between Northern Yankees and Southern Bourbons where whichever side the hillbillies are on wins. Right?

JONATHAN LAST IGNORED "MIKE", THE SOURCE OF THE "SOUTHERN BOURBON" TERM. WHY? Wouldn't that be pertinent information for Last's readers about this very short video clip, since he is accusing Vance of suggesting a division of America into camps based on THE civil war? Who is guiding J.D. Vance to think in terms of Yankees and Southern Bourbons (or "slaveholders" in THE civil war, according to Last)?

An Introduction to "Mike" for Jonathan Last

From the original Viva Frei video in April of 2021:

At about 45 minutes, Robert Barnes started talking about political analysis: Most candidates don’t know why they are winning votes. Why don’t politicians read Kevin Phillips? Discussion of shifts in views and affiliation of the working class. Populist power, starting with Andrew Jackson types, 1828. Republicans don’t realize that they’re not dealing with “country club Republicans” anymore.

47 minutes: Vance did not support Trump in 2016, but Trump is part of understanding changes in political alignment. Why are polls wrong? Vance discussed a political pollster who explained why Iowa caucus polls in 2016 were wrong.

48:52 Vance: And there is this political scientist at UT Austin, his name is Mike Lind. I don't know if you guys are familiar at all with Michael Lind. He's a brilliant, brilliant guy. But Mike once told me (laugh) that American history is a constant war between Northern Yankees and Southern Bourbons where whichever side the hillbillies are on wins. Right?

So that's where the term "Southern Bourbons" came from in this video clip. Was Lind right? Or not? He is a political analyst.

Was this a serious analysis or just a humorous statement to J.D. Vance by Mike Lind? I can't say. He does seem to be aware of Southern issues, being the fifth-generation Central Texan and having written a critical, South-related book about Texan George W. Bush.

It is interesting to me that J.D. Vance seems to be talking to a lot of people about political philosophies, political analysis and so forth. Michael Lind has some unusual views. He has worked for a variety of organizations (left, right and center). He doesn't seem particularly sympathetic to slaveholders.

From his Wiki, Sept. 16:

A former neoconservative in the tradition of New Deal liberalism; with the original neoconservatives being anti-Soviet liberals who drifted to the right, Lind criticized the American right in Up From Conservatism: Why the Right is Wrong for America (1996) and Made in Texas: George W. Bush and the Southern Takeover of American Politics (2004). According to an article published in The New York Times in 1995, Lind "defies the usual political categories of left and right, liberal and conservative."[13]

Do you think Mike Lind might have thought of George W. Bush as a "Southern Bourbon" in the comment about conflict in American politics which J.D. Vance quoted above? GWB was born in Connecticut, and I don't think he was a slaveholder, but he grew up in Texas and Lind links him to a "Southern Takeover of American Politics" in his book.

Lind is an outspoken critic of libertarianism. He had observed that of the 195 countries in the world today, none is fully a libertarian society:

If libertarianism was a good idea, wouldn't at least one country have tried it? Wouldn't there be at least one country, out of nearly two hundred, with minimal government, free trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no welfare state and no public education system?[16]

Last two books:

(2023) Hell to Pay: How the Suppression of Wages is Destroying America.
Penguin Random House. ISBN 9780593421253.[17]

(2020) The New Class War: Saving Democracy From The Managerial Elite.
Penguin Random House. ISBN 9780593083697.[18]

Does it sound like Michael Lind is on the side of the slaveholders?

Perhaps Mr. Last could consider some characteristics about SOUTHERN BOURBONS in addition to possible past slave-holding by some of them.

I didn't remember ever having heard this term, so I looked it up on two search engines: "Southern Bourbons" gave me search results about liquor. "Southern Bourbons Politics" gave results about "Bourbon Democrats". As a former conservative, Mr. Last might be interested in this:

Grover Cleveland and the Democrats Who Saved Conservatism

They stood against Tammany Hall, the centralized presidency, and profligate spending. Today's Right should give them another look.

The erstwhile governor of New York, Cleveland was the most successful member of a cohort, dubbed the “Bourbon Democrats” by their Republican enemies. The critics intended the name to suggest Southern sympathies and counter-revolutionary pieties. The Bourbons were a curious coalition of New Yorkers and Southerners. They saved the Democratic Party—and American conservatism—in the years immediately after the Civil War. Defenders of states’ rights, republican liberty, and economic temperance, they opposed military Reconstruction, direct democracy, and redistributive measures.

Unsurprisingly, they have been slandered as reactionary racists for their opposition to plans like those of Grant and Sherman to transform the South. The Bourbons were the reputed heirs to the notorious “Doughfaces,” those Northern Democrats like Buchanan and Pierce who tried to be judicious in handling the sectional crises of the 1840s and ‘50s. Despite all this maligning, they were remarkably successful at winning the support of voters and protecting the tradition of American conservatism in what Kirk might have called a “rear guard action.”

Yet if Cleveland’s initial success was only a rear guard action, it was also a tactical masterstroke. He shattered the Tammany Hall machine, so long a pernicious influence in American politics, and routed William Jennings Bryan’s populist offensive. In doing so, he united the Northern and Southern halves of the Democratic Party while also drawing support from the anti-corruption “Mugwumps” of the GOP. His election in 1884, against the corrupt, anti-Catholic James G. Blaine, brought a temperate, conservative, and honest politician to the White House.

Cleveland stood on the shoulders of honorable and prudent men, his Bourbon antecedents, who had chipped away at the Republican domination of American politics. . .

Are there any fiscal conservatives or anti-corruption politicians left in New York? Or are they all "Southern Bourbons" now?

From American History USA

Bourbon Democrat was a term used in the United States from 1876 to 1904 to refer to a conservative or classical liberal member of the Democratic Party, especially one who supported Charles O'Conor in 1872, Samuel J. Tilden in 1876, President Grover Cleveland in 1884–1888/1892–1896 and Alton B. Parker in 1904. After 1904, the Bourbons faded away. Woodrow Wilson, who had been a Bourbon, made a deal in 1912 with the leading opponent of the Bourbons, William Jennings Bryan; Bryan endorsed Wilson for the Democratic nomination, and Wilson named Bryan Secretary of State. The term "Bourbon" was mostly used disparagingly, by critics complaining of old-fashioned viewpoints.

Bourbon Democrats were promoters of a form of laissez-faire capitalism which included opposition to the protectionism that the Republicans were then advocating as well as fiscal discipline. They represented business interests, generally supporting the goals of banking and railroads but opposed to subsidies for them and were unwilling to protect them from competition. They opposed imperialism and U.S. overseas expansion, fought for the gold standard, and opposed bimetallism and promoted hard and sound money. Strong supporters of reform movements such as the Civil Service Reform and opponents of the corrupt city bosses, Bourbons led the fight against the Tweed Ring. The anti-corruption theme earned the votes of many Republican Mugwumps in 1884.

Not all of those positions sound like Trump positions. Some of them do.

From the Wiki, Sept. 16:

Origins of the term

President Grover Cleveland ( 1837–1908 ), a conservative who denounced political corruption and fought hard for lower tariffs and the gold standard, was the exemplar of a Bourbon Democrat

The nickname "Bourbon Democrat" was first used as a pun, referring to bourbon whiskey from Kentucky and even more to the Bourbon Dynasty of France, . .

A widely quoted aphorism at the time had it that the Bourbons "have learnt nothing, and forgotten nothing." During Reconstruction, the term "Bourbon" would have had the connotation of a retrogressive, reactionary dynasty out of step with the modern world.

The term was occasionally used in the 1860s and 1870s to refer to conservative Democrats (both North and South) who still held the ideas of Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson and in the 1870s to refer to the regimes set up in the South by Redeemers as a conservative reaction against Reconstruction.[5]

I would be surprised if President Biden had not attended a number of Jefferson-Jackson Dinners during his political career.

Anyway, was J.D. Vance correct in his assessment (in April of 2021, contemplating a Senate run in Ohio) that hillbillies were starting to migrate (politically) away from the "hyper-woke sort of coastal elites" toward "old-school Southern folks"?

Jonathan Last goes on to draw conclusions from the little video clip he embedded in his piece and Vance's acceptance speech at the Republican convention. And he apparently has more to say about J.D. Vance behind a paywall:

2. Fake But Accurate

One more thing about JD Vance. But first, we have to talk a little bit about history.

Two of the formative controversies of my journalism career were fights over Rigoberta Menchú and George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard service.

As if his content should be trusted after the opening above.

A few topics discussed in the original Viva Frei video which might suggest that J.D. Vance was not just shilling for "slaveholders". With approximate time markers:

27 minutes: Marines were colorblind when Vance was serving.
An example for our rich and varied country.

31 minutes Elite condescension: one problem with the all-volunteer military

35 minutes Iraq war was a turning point for a lot of people concerning forever wars. Vance's grandmother was angry when he enlisted, yet proud.

37 minutes He had read The Case for Democracy, a pro war book. Doing security for poll workers in Iraq taught him that the book was better in abstract than in reality.

40 minutes Three ways to look at the American Ruling Class. His views changed as a result of serving in Iraq.

43 minutes Vance is conservative, but coming out of a working class Democratic household

44 minutes He read Pat Buchanan's Death of the West when he was 15 and saw some of its predictions come to pass.

45 - 50 minutes Political polling and analysis

56 minutes commenter: "This guy is not tough enough for politics"

1:11 Vance: If you're focused on race, you're not focused on your own failures as a ruling class.

1:12 The thing he hears most frequently from voters in Ohio when the cameras aren't rolling is "we're so sick of being called racist". The accusation is a weapon.

1:13 Robert Barnes: The destructiveness of slavery, serfdom and reservations on cultures because of their effects on fathers

1:20 If you can censor the king, you are the king

1:24 business model of big tech is monopoly

1:26 cyberbullying

1:27 Vance is like Bernie Sanders

1:30 What influences have changed Vance?

1:37 questions on big tech

We want some companies outside the “big tech thought-crime universe”.

(Interview was a year before Elon Musk bought Twitter.)

I thought that this interview showed J.D. Vance to be someone who was still learning and someone who sought out new information from a variety of sources.

Do you have any new impressions of him from this interview?

Music

Which side are you on?

Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Last week's thread, September 14, Straight Talk: Kamala's First Solo Post-Biden Interview

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1 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 21, 2024 11:09 AM (Zz0t1)

2 Woah. That may actually be a first for me.

Morning, K.T.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 21, 2024 11:09 AM (Zz0t1)

3 And, a heartfelt thought and prayer goes out to SheHobbit today has she lays her mother to rest this morning.

May The Lord comfort you and yours in this time of great sorrow.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 21, 2024 11:10 AM (Zz0t1)

4 Hello

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at September 21, 2024 11:11 AM (4Med0)

5 Funny thing, that. I don't think it looks anything like Gavin Newsom.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 21, 2024 11:13 AM (Zz0t1)

6 Good morning KT

Posted by: Skip at September 21, 2024 11:14 AM (fwDg9)

7 Adam Savage is building shelves.

https://youtu.be/JVW3rzdOAfA?feature=shared

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 21, 2024 11:16 AM (lhenN)

8 So, the 1st Amendment is dead in California, sure the 2nd isn't far behind it

Posted by: Skip at September 21, 2024 11:16 AM (fwDg9)

9 Who the hell are Zero People and why can't they pay for their own internet?

Michigan Spends $1.5 Billion to Connect Zero People to "Internet for All" Program

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 21, 2024 11:16 AM (L/fGl)

10 I had trouble keeping up with the last thread nevertheless I've got to make more coffee and heat a biscuit. BBS

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 11:17 AM (KL5wO)

11
Never go grocery shopping with the wife.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 21, 2024 11:18 AM (BkEzK)

12 I thought the pix was an Oopa loopa.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 21, 2024 11:18 AM (/UtnQ)

13 Grover Cleveland: the last good Democrat president. In any event, the only one I ever would have voted for.

Posted by: Paco at September 21, 2024 11:19 AM (njExo)

14 The Babylon Bee made an AI spot in response

"Newsom Outlaws Deep Fake Videos In California, The Babylon Bee Produces Deep Fake Video In Response"

https://tinyurl.com/mr2s7n2m

Posted by: Kindltot at September 21, 2024 11:19 AM (D7oie)

15 Friendly reminder: Today's press is the enemy of the people.

Sure, there are good ones out there, but they're in vast minority to the muckrakers, liars and grifters of the mainstream.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 21, 2024 11:21 AM (Zz0t1)

16 Hi, Sponge. Morning, everyone!

Posted by: KT at September 21, 2024 11:21 AM (xekrU)

17 Official efforts to limit disinformation, misinformation, "deceptive content", etc. are all the rage right now.

Kamala wins, and we turn into a high-tech East Germany.

And it will happen very quickly too - Britain went from occasionally arresting someone for social media posts, to mass arrests of dissidents, as soon as Starmer was elected.

That will happen here too.

Notice that the Government never disseminates "disinformation and misinformation".

Only opponents of the Government disseminate "disinformation and misinformation".

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 21, 2024 11:21 AM (uxCna)

18 Interesting and voluminous content as always K.T. Thank you. JD Vance is an impressive fellow; obviously smart and thoughtful. And willing to look at evidence and maybe even occasionally change his mind if the data shows him he should (eg his assessment of Trump). Compared with pedo vibes Walz he’s a towering historical figure. It is disappointing we won’t see those two debate; Vance would stomp him thoroughly…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 21, 2024 11:22 AM (i5Vkf)

19 Thx K.T. You don't often see the name Alton Parker mentioned. He lost to Teddy Roosevelt in 1904 and he basically never left his front porch. He was a surrogate court judge here in Ulster County and later a Judge on the NY Court of Appeals. He left that job to run for president and he said it was the worst decision he ever made as he loved the court. Lived just south of me in the towns of Esopus

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 11:22 AM (DW4th)

20 Grover Cleveland: the last good Democrat president. In any event, the only one I ever would have voted for.
Posted by: Paco at September 21, 2024 11:19 AM (njExo)

I can't get past the fact that he married the girl who had been his ward since she was 10 years old.

When they did finally marry, she was 19, and I believe he was in his 50s.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:22 AM (mkRXj)

21 I would be surprised if President Biden had not attended a number of Jefferson-Jackson Dinners during his political career.

*


And today, Biden has Dr. JILL attend on his behalf as he sleeps and drools in the corner.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 21, 2024 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)

22 44 minutes He read Pat Buchanan's Death of the West when he was 15 and saw some of its predictions come to pass.

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Buchanan nailed it. I read the book as well and it depressed me.

Posted by: News Update at September 21, 2024 11:22 AM (CINMl)

23 If the Democrats are able to steal another election, and I think that's plausible, only 'approved state speech' will be permitted in the public sphere.

They'll shutdown and imprison anyone who posts, records or otherwise voices an opinion the State doesn't like.

They're trying to set the stage for it now.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 21, 2024 11:22 AM (Q4IgG)

24 There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 21, 2024 11:22 AM (nFx0I)

25 I watched Hillbilly Elegy last night. Have read the book twice. The movie focuses on relationships and doesn't go into the decline of manufacturing. But there is one scene. He shows a young Mamaw and husband driving into Middletown Ohio. The factory is going, there are new buildings downtown and it looks prosperous. Then it shows a young JD with his family pulling into town. The factory is closed and run down. Buildings boarded up downtown and it's obvious there are a lot of folks on welfare.

I don't know how they teach history in school but they do a damn poor job of it. And poor governance by Democrats in major cities is a bigger problem now than anything from the Civil War.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 11:23 AM (cxv04)

26 Wow. Learned a lot in this post. Thanks KT!

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 21, 2024 11:24 AM (s9EYN)

27 Last hopes for a top bunk in the camps and some epaulettes.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 21, 2024 11:24 AM (IG4Id)

28 Greetings! I may miss all the other threads today due to various necessary activities, but I do hope the pet thread will include this story of the cat who disappeared at Yellowstone and somehow made its way to Roseville, CA (@800 miles) and was reunited with its people in Salinas.

https://tinyurl.com/4bxxrdmf

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 21, 2024 11:25 AM (MeG8a)

29 And it will happen very quickly too - Britain went from occasionally arresting someone for social media posts, to mass arrests of dissidents, as soon as Starmer was elected.

That will happen here too.

Notice that the Government never disseminates "disinformation and misinformation".

Only opponents of the Government disseminate "disinformation and misinformation".
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 21, 2024 11:21 AM (uxCna)

Poland did the same thing. As did Brazil. Australia went insane during Covid, and of course Canada is effectively a fascist state. France is france, they've always been autocrats, pretending to care about liberty.

We're it, folks. The last bastion. In the West, at least.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:26 AM (mkRXj)

30 JD’s town is now or will soon be home to thousands of illegals and or so called refugees. The left destroyed their lives and now are running their noses in it as they dump thousands of foreigners in, who live better lives than the Americans they’re replacing.

Posted by: News Update at September 21, 2024 11:26 AM (CINMl)

31 There is a lot of meat on this bone to devour.

Thank you.

It will give me something to do tomorrow while everyone else is in the book thread.

Posted by: one hour sober at September 21, 2024 11:27 AM (Y1sOo)

32 Grover Cleveland was a very effective politician. He won the national popular vote 3 times in a row…. Lost the EV in the middle election. You can’t do that without being good at winning votes….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 21, 2024 11:27 AM (i5Vkf)

33 44 minutes He read Pat Buchanan's Death of the West when he was 15 and saw some of its predictions come to pass.

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Buchanan nailed it. I read the book as well and it depressed me.
Posted by: News Update at September 21, 2024 11:22 AM (CINMl)

Buchanan is another one of those guys who got labeled by the neocons, and smeared as something he's not.

And I am ashamed I just let them convince me.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:27 AM (mkRXj)

34 The Marxists would like to go all Stalinism if they can.

Posted by: Skip at September 21, 2024 11:28 AM (fwDg9)

35 They'll shutdown and imprison anyone who posts, records or otherwise voices an opinion the State doesn't like.

Musk goes to prison if Kamala wins, if he doesn't flee the country first.

There is reason why Mark Cuban says that he is willing to buy "Twitter" - he's envisioning a government-compelled "sale" of the company.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 21, 2024 11:29 AM (uxCna)

36 There a guy on YouTube who has a channel dedicated to exposing right wing disinformation online. He goes after libs of tik tok all the time. Yet curiously he never says what the so called disinformation is. After all, what she does is simply post videos made by leftists.

Simply exposing them is disinformation in and of itself.

Posted by: News Update at September 21, 2024 11:29 AM (CINMl)

37 They'll shutdown and imprison anyone who posts, records or otherwise voices an opinion the State doesn't like.


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It's just a matter of finding 10 new SCOTUS judges who won't see how this possibly violates the First Amendment.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 21, 2024 11:30 AM (WBQfF)

38 As for JDV, this being Saturday, I once again wonder if an assassin is going to try again, to take out Trump. One of these days, they might succeed.

If they do, I expect Vance to be elevated to the #1 position, and I would expect he'd win easily. Those people don't know it yet, but Vance is a greater threat to "their democracy" than Trump ever has been.

And at this point I think it's close to inevitable he's the Republican nominee in '28, no matter what happens in the news few weeks/years.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:30 AM (mkRXj)

39 and of course Canada is effectively a fascist state

Yeah, I'm sure that all the Canadians who donated $25 to the trucking protests, and had all their bank accounts frozen by the government in response, had thought that they lived in a democracy.

That will come here, too.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 21, 2024 11:32 AM (uxCna)

40 Buchanan is another one of those guys who got labeled by the neocons, and smeared as something he's not.

And I am ashamed I just let them convince me.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:27 AM (mkRXj)

Didn’t Buchanan dabble in antisemitism? I can’t remember specifics but I remember him saying questionable stuff on that front a few times. I admit I never followed closely but was left with that impression….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 21, 2024 11:32 AM (i5Vkf)

41
I can't get past the fact that he married the girl who had been his ward since she was 10 years old.

What the heck is a "ward" anyway. Dick Grayson was a ward.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 21, 2024 11:33 AM (63Dwl)

42 Pete Seeger was on Stalin's side.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 21, 2024 11:33 AM (VdhcA)

43 And at this point I think it's close to inevitable he's the Republican nominee in '28, no matter what happens in the news few weeks/years.
Posted by: BurtTC at Septe

I’ve been assured by many smart people that if Trump wins it’s the end of our precious democracy. There will be no election in 2028.

Posted by: News Update at September 21, 2024 11:33 AM (CINMl)

44 As for JDV, this being Saturday, I once again wonder if an assassin is going to try again, to take out Trump. One of these days, they might succeed.

There is a claim that there are five "foreign" teams in the US trying to assassinate Trump, which of course makes great cover for the Deep State trying to assassinate Trump again.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 21, 2024 11:33 AM (uxCna)

45 Off to get my haircut.

Be excellent to each other.

Stay beautiful, Horde.

Enjoy the weekend.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 21, 2024 11:33 AM (Zz0t1)

46 34 The Marxists would like to go all Stalinism if they can.
Posted by: Skip at September 21, 2024 11:28 AM (fwDg9)

They always do- as soon as they can.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 11:34 AM (y31cs)

47 Didn’t Buchanan dabble in antisemitism? I can’t remember specifics but I remember him saying questionable stuff on that front a few times. I admit I never followed closely but was left with that impression….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 21, 2024 11:32 AM (i5Vkf)

Buchanan was critical of Israel, and America's support.

Regardless of how one feels about that topic, it's a disingenuous aspect of these discussions, that anyone who doesn't toe the line is labeled an Anti-Semite.

Some are. Many aren't. Buchanan isn't.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:36 AM (mkRXj)

48 Pete Seeger was on Stalin's side.

The hilarious thing was that Seeger's band released an album full of anti-war songs - in May, 1941.

When the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union a month later, all the unsold copies of the album were removed from distribution, the Communist Party ordered all of its members to destroy the album if they had it, and Seeger's band quickly released an album of pro-war songs.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 21, 2024 11:37 AM (uxCna)

49 It was interesting on X to read posts after Vance took down Dana Bash. Several said that they hadn't thought much of him as a VP pick but were now favorably impressed. I find it funny Walz is training for the debate with Bootygig as Vance

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 11:37 AM (MpVUb)

50 This is a pretty smart post. Lots of information, lots of explanation, lots of read-it-yourself stuff. Regarding J.D. Vance, I voted for him in his Senate race, and I feel that everything he has done, both as Senator and potential Veep, has justified & supported that vote. I purchased & read Hillbilly Elegy then. It's worth a read for AOSHQ members. Vance witnessed what Big Government and Big Business did to his home town of Middletown, Ohio, and to the hard-working, hard-playing Appalachian people who moved there from the mountains during & after WW II. He really takes a stand for Conservative American family Values, and its importance for success regarding home, neighborhood, and city. The Leftist and "conservative" writers who try to use it as a weapon against him are being deliberately exclusive. The Progressive, the Socialist, and the Country-Club Republican alike look down on the Hillbillies in a condescending way that would be subjected to full-on attack if it was directed at any other ethnic group in the USA. Vance knows what he is talking about, and I'm glad his view on Trump have evolved since Hillbilly Elegy was published.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 21, 2024 11:39 AM (W+kMI)

51 When the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union a month later, all the unsold copies of the album were removed from distribution, the Communist Party ordered all of its members to destroy the album if they had it, and Seeger's band quickly released an album of pro-war songs.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 21, 2024 11:37 AM (uxCna)
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Same with Dalton Trumbo's novel "Johnny Got His Gun."

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 21, 2024 11:39 AM (VdhcA)

52 Oh, and here's how PBS memorialized Seeger's long, long, service to the Communist Party ten years ago:

Remembering Pete Seeger, 94, who made music to unite people

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 21, 2024 11:39 AM (uxCna)

53 I can't get past the fact that he married the girl who had been his ward since she was 10 years old.
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What the heck is a "ward" anyway. Dick Grayson was a ward.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 21, 2024 11:33 AM (63Dwl)

Basically an orphan who the courts then determine who will be that child's guardian until they come of age.

There are other conditions, but Cleveland future wife was the daughter of one of his best friends.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:39 AM (mkRXj)

54 All in for bourbon.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 21, 2024 11:40 AM (Aqu9a)

55 A lot of these lies could be stopped with a good old-fashioned application of a hickory switch.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 21, 2024 11:40 AM (0eaVi)

56 As for JDV, this being Saturday, I once again wonder if an assassin is going to try again, to take out Trump. One of these days, they might succeed.
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There is a claim that there are five "foreign" teams in the US trying to assassinate Trump, which of course makes great cover for the Deep State trying to assassinate Trump again.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 21, 2024 11:33 AM (uxCna)

Yeah, I don't doubt it's possible they've hired foreigners on some level, in some role, but the would-be assassins are our government.

Truer words were never spoken than these: "I'm just a patsy." -- L.H. Oswald

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:42 AM (mkRXj)

57 54 All in for bourbon.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 21, 2024 11:40 AM (Aqu9a)

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You're on my list.

Posted by: Bonaparte at September 21, 2024 11:43 AM (WBQfF)

58 So, the 1st Amendment is dead in California, sure the 2nd isn't far behind it

Behind? The 2A has been effectively a dead letter in CA for decades.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 21, 2024 11:44 AM (/0F+Q)

59 People of Springfield please don't eat me cats

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 21, 2024 11:46 AM (13VxP)

60 46 34 The Marxists would like to go all Stalinism if they can.
Posted by: Skip at September 21, 2024 11:28 AM (fwDg9)

They always do- as soon as they can.
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Not all Marxists are closet Stalinists. But when the closet Stalinists come to power, their less fierce & greedy comrades are the first to get purged. All the European-based Revolutions have eventually had the control freaks seize control, and have thus had a period of terror and purges of those who don't measure up. It's amazing how otherwise intelligent people refuse to see that the Stalinist/Cultural Revolution phase is inevitable.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 21, 2024 11:46 AM (W+kMI)

61 59 People of Springfield please don't eat me cats
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 21, 2024 11:46 AM (13VxP)

You don't hear about them eating St Bernards or Great Pyrenees is all I am saying.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 11:49 AM (y31cs)

62 AHHHHHH CUJO!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 11:49 AM (y31cs)

63 A ward is generally a minor who is in the legal custody of adult, who is not their child, not adopted, and not their heir. Used to be more common. As to Grover and his ward, it made sense for her ( he was rich and liked her) , it made sense for him (she was young and pretty) and all of the legal niceties were followed. I don’t see anything to complain about.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 21, 2024 11:49 AM (CYs/R)

64 Pete Seeger was on Stalin's side.

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So you're saying he did have a hammer. And a sickle.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 21, 2024 11:49 AM (L/fGl)

65 30 JD’s town is now or will soon be home to thousands of illegals and or so called refugees. The left destroyed their lives and now are running their noses in it as they dump thousands of foreigners in, who live better lives than the Americans they’re replacing.
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Already happened. Butler County is still a Republican-voting county, but the Hispanics are prominent in Hamilton, Middletown, and every mobile home community, and apartment complex that allows Section 8 housing. They are not allowed to vote (yet) but their effect on the county economy and social services is obvious.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 21, 2024 11:50 AM (W+kMI)

66 What the heck is a "ward" anyway. Dick Grayson was a ward.

How do you think I got that job?

Posted by: Burt at September 21, 2024 11:50 AM (CIG8D)

67 The Left make up crap that they distribute as fact and then seriously fact check The Bee. You’re dealing with mentally ill people.

On a side note, Michael Moore was the father of the modern Left’s framing.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 11:51 AM (D6PGr)

68 Remembering Pete Seeger, 94, who made music to unite people

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Or else!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 21, 2024 11:51 AM (L/fGl)

69 I wish Rush was still alive. He kept many of these anti-American people in check by informing millions every day of who they are and what they're up to. He always had a unique perspective to it all too.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at September 21, 2024 11:52 AM (g8Ew8)

70 On a side note, Michael Moore was the father of the modern Left’s framing.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 11:51 AM (D6PGr)
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He still looks pregnant.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 21, 2024 11:52 AM (VdhcA)

71 He still looks pregnant.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at September 21, 2024 11:52 AM (VdhcA)

He's about 360 months overdue.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 11:53 AM (y31cs)

72 Pete Seeger was on Stalin's side.

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So you're saying he did have a hammer. And a sickle.

The people who did "Spinal Tap" did a subsequent movie "A Mighty Wind", satirizing folk singers. It was a commercial failure.

Now, if you were going to satirize folk singers, you'd think that you would mock the political party that almost all of them were affiliated with, but that was not a subject that the filmmakers were willing to touch.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 21, 2024 11:54 AM (uxCna)

73 Some are. Many aren't. Buchanan isn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:36 AM (mkRXj)

Buchanan also opined that we shouldn’t have gone to war with the Nazis.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 11:54 AM (D6PGr)

74 A ward is generally a minor who is in the legal custody of adult, who is not their child, not adopted, and not their heir. Used to be more common. As to Grover and his ward, it made sense for her ( he was rich and liked her) , it made sense for him (she was young and pretty) and all of the legal niceties were followed. I don’t see anything to complain about.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 21, 2024 11:49 AM (CYs/R)

It's the having sex with a child part that troubles me.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:55 AM (YWhxe)

75 49 It was interesting on X to read posts after Vance took down Dana Bash. Several said that they hadn't thought much of him as a VP pick but were now favorably impressed. I find it funny Walz is training for the debate with Bootygig as Vance
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That is funny! Bootygig and Vance are two very different people! Vance has little fear, keeps his cool, and knows what he is talking about, as a rule. Walz will get cornered quickly, and Vance will talk down any "moderator" who tries the Bash treatment. It will make for a fun debate thread here!

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 21, 2024 11:57 AM (W+kMI)

76 Buchanan also opined that we shouldn’t have gone to war with the Nazis.

Hitler declared war on us, not the other way around.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 21, 2024 11:57 AM (uxCna)

77 Speaking of wards...

Posted by: Dick Grayson, ward of Bruce Wayne at September 21, 2024 11:57 AM (Q4IgG)

78 He married her at 19. That's not a child.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 11:58 AM (MpVUb)

79 It's the having sex with a child part that troubles me.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:55 AM (YWhxe)

Which didn't happen.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 21, 2024 11:58 AM (iWRry)

80 Best way to take down that law in Cali is have someone arrested for it. The mocking Newsom will get will be enough to make nobody ever get arrested again.

Scouts will strike it down eventually. Even ACB will vote to do it. Maybe even 1/3 progs. It’s so ridiculous and over the top anti 1A it can’t not be.

Posted by: News Update at September 21, 2024 11:58 AM (CINMl)

81 74 A ward is generally a minor who is in the legal custody of adult, who is not their child, not adopted, and not their heir. Used to be more common. As to Grover and his ward, it made sense for her ( he was rich and liked her) , it made sense for him (she was young and pretty) and all of the legal niceties were followed. I don’t see anything to complain about.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 21, 2024 11:49 AM (CYs/R)

It's the having sex with a child part that troubles me.
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Cleveland wasn't a Biden. Despite his earlier background of an illegitimate child out of wedlock (duly noted by the opposition both times) Cleveland bided his time, and married his ward when she came of age. It makes a difference.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 21, 2024 12:00 PM (W+kMI)

82 It's the having sex with a child part that troubles me.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:55 AM (YWhxe)

How do we know Cleveland was having sex with her before they married? He was 49 and she was 21 when they married.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 12:00 PM (dTTBf)

83 Some are. Many aren't. Buchanan isn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:36 AM (mkRXj)

Buchanan also opined that we shouldn’t have gone to war with the Nazis.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 11:54 AM (D6PGr)

Just as KT is posting about this, it's another question of framing.

One can ask the question: Was it ultimately a good thing or not, for the U.S. to get into the European war, and there are plenty of points that can be made, to say it wasn't.

If that then gets you labeled an Anti-Semite, that's more a reflection on the listener, than the speaker.

Just as people here on this very webzine, who believe in many ways the South was right, that can get you labeled a rayciss who loves slavery, when of course that's just the listener's framing too. Just as they are doing with Vance.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:00 PM (YWhxe)

84 He married her at 19. That's not a child.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 11:58 AM (MpVUb)

19 is some prime stuff, I tell ya.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at September 21, 2024 12:01 PM (g8Ew8)

85 Married her at 19. So we know why was going on at 17,16,15?

Even if it was all above board and nothing happened until 18, it’s still skeevy. Woody Allen did the same thing.

Posted by: News Update at September 21, 2024 12:01 PM (CINMl)

86 Buchanan also opined that we shouldn’t have gone to war with the Nazis.

Hitler declared war on us, not the other way around.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 21, 2024 11:57 AM (uxCna)

We were in an undeclared war with Nazi Germany when we supplied and supported Britain and Russia . Just like we are at war with Russia right now.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 12:03 PM (D6PGr)

87 Whatever Buchanan may have been or not been, he was 100% correct with his predictions. Shoot the messenger if you want.

Posted by: News Update at September 21, 2024 12:03 PM (CINMl)

88 It's the having sex with a child part that troubles me.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:55 AM (YWhxe)

Which didn't happen.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 21, 2024 11:58 AM (iWRry)

You were there?

I get it, people don't want to think these things happened in the old days, that our generation invented pedophilia, and sex perversion.

News flash, folks. We didn't.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:03 PM (YWhxe)

89 59 People of Springfield please don't eat me cats
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BrCvZmSnKA

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 12:04 PM (KL5wO)

90 I get it, people don't want to think these things happened in the old days, that our generation invented pedophilia, and sex perversion.

—

Hush your mouth.

Posted by: Charlie Chaplin at September 21, 2024 12:06 PM (CINMl)

91 I get it, people don't want to think these things happened in the old days, that our generation invented pedophilia, and sex perversion.

News flash, folks. We didn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:03 PM (YWhxe)

Wow!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 21, 2024 12:06 PM (iWRry)

92
News flash, folks. We didn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:03 PM (YWhxe)

Well, you just said that "having sex with a child that's troubling" You don't know either.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 12:06 PM (dTTBf)

93 >>>How do we know Cleveland was having sex with her before they married? He was 49 and she was 21 when they married.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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Channeling, it's an art.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 12:07 PM (KL5wO)

94 We argue about the funniest shit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 12:07 PM (y31cs)

95
Buchanan also opined that we shouldn’t have gone to war with the Nazis.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 11:54 AM (D6PGr)

__________

If Hitler hadn't declared war on us, FDR would have been hard pressed to go to war with Germany.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 21, 2024 12:07 PM (3xay6)

96 That will happen here too.

Notice that the Government never disseminates "disinformation and misinformation".

Only opponents of the Government disseminate "disinformation and misinformation".
Posted by: The ARC of History

AosHq will be a field ripe for the picking. Many of us here will make them pay dearly. I think , even amongst well informed people, that the understanding of how deeply embedded that apparatus resides is only superficial.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * considering the imponderables at September 21, 2024 12:08 PM (f+zED)

97 News flash, folks. We didn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:03 PM (YWhxe)

Well, you just said that "having sex with a child that's troubling" You don't know either.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 12:06 PM (dTTBf)

Yes I do. So do you, you just don't want to admit it.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:08 PM (YWhxe)

98 I have a sick sense that only Conservatives will be targeted. Lies by Democrats will never be challenged.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at September 21, 2024 12:08 PM (+H2BX)

99 So, what's the purpose of a quinceañera? *

Generally speaking.

*I know what it is, want to see what others think

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 21, 2024 12:09 PM (Q4IgG)

100 It may not have been a commercial success, but “A Mighty Wind” is still a hilarious movie for anyone familiar with the folk music scene of the 60’s. ( commercial problem was that it was too niche; nobody under 40 could relate). It wasn’t a political movie, there was no reason to bring politics into it.

There’s an extremely funny personal troll of Peter, Paul, and Mary at the very end, but you gotta know the backstory to really get it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 21, 2024 12:10 PM (CYs/R)

101 (Insert Grok photo of Commissar Newsome dressed in SS uniform)

Posted by: Foo at September 21, 2024 12:10 PM (fwvPp)

102 Was watching the second Hunger Games movie and it is interesting.

The second focused a little more on the world of the Capitol and how they keep the peons in line with both fear and celebrity drivel.

It occurs to me though that you have actors in the movie, obviously, who are real America's celebrities. And our elites in real America use them exactly how they elites in the Hunger Games use them.

So you have actors playing essentially just a slightly more outlandish/in your face version of...themselves. And outside of Woody Harrelson, maybe, I'm guessing not a one of them got the point.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:10 PM (oZhjI)

103 Official efforts to limit disinformation, misinformation, "deceptive content", etc. are all the rage right now

And this will continue until those tools are pointed at the ruling elites. Treat an FNM reporter like the Feds treat some guy tweeting memes and suddenly you'll find the FNM is all on board with free speech...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:12 PM (oZhjI)

104 I still remember my very first encounter with lying journalism. I was starting to be interested in the wider world and the presidential election of 1980 captured my interest. I watched a Reagan speech on TV, I liked his optimistic easy going demeanor, wit and his straightforward way of explaining the economy and foreign affairs and what he was going to do that was different from Carter and the Dems.

The nest day the front page of Plain Dealer had an article that up until then I would have assumed would be a simple report of the topic of the speech instead was the reporters perception that Reagan was angry and pessimistic.

Too bad Jonathan Last didn't have that experience or he would have been more skeptical of the Vance clip. Instead he let himself be suckered by it.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 21, 2024 12:12 PM (ZZdCA)

105 Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:08 PM (YWhxe)

I am perfectly willing to admit that Victorians adults had sex wih minors. I just don't know that Cleveland was doing that, and again , You don't either, and they're both dead and can't tell us, but itsn't worth discussing anymore

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 12:12 PM (dTTBf)

106 Hitler declared war on us, not the other way around.

A serious mistake on his part. If he doesn't DOW the US it isn't clear to me that the US immediately enters the war against National Socialist Germany as it starts going to war against Japan.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:13 PM (oZhjI)

107 Same group did Best in Show, a sendup of dog shows. Fred Willard plays the best dog show announcer ever; Joe Garagiola’s family almost sued him for it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 21, 2024 12:13 PM (CYs/R)

108 88 It's the having sex with a child part that troubles me.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:55 AM (YWhxe)

Which didn't happen.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 21, 2024 11:58 AM (iWRry)
You were there?
I get it, people don't want to think these things happened in the old days, that our generation invented pedophilia, and sex perversion.
News flash, folks. We didn't.
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Remember what happened to Jerry Lee Lewis? Sexual conduct with a minor was NOT treated with approval by the American public before Polanski made a skedaddle. Only poor white trash did that, in the popular view. Again, Cleveland, a prominent man who wished to keep his prominence, married the girl when she could say "I do", which in his day was considered right & proper despite the age difference.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 21, 2024 12:14 PM (W+kMI)

109 98 I have a sick sense that only Conservatives will be targeted. Lies by Democrats will never be challenged.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at September 21, 2024 12:08 PM (+H2BX)

You don’t need a sixth sense to draw that conclusion. It’s obvious to anyone observing events since at least the whole covid “crisis”

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 21, 2024 12:14 PM (UjMSk)

110 AosHq will be a field ripe for the picking. Many of us here will make them pay dearly. I think , even amongst well informed people, that the understanding of how deeply embedded that apparatus resides is only superficial.
Posted by: Sock Monkey *
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Don't know what you're saying but it makes me think of that rancher family in NV and the physical threat to them by the Acronyms. A dying, decrepit, old man blogger organized a physical resistance that quietly caused the Acronyms to back off.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 12:14 PM (KL5wO)

111 Presentism is mostly a leftist mental defect but some on the Right also fall in that trap.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 12:14 PM (D6PGr)

112 So you have actors playing essentially just a slightly more outlandish/in your face version of...themselves. And outside of Woody Harrelson, maybe, I'm guessing not a one of them got the point.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:10 PM (oZhjI)

Worth pondering, do the roles they play ever rub off on the actors, do they ever learn anything from playing them?

My guess is mostly not. These are generally not our best and brightest, and being shallow and phony is what makes them good at their jobs.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:15 PM (YWhxe)

113

Come on Eileen!

Posted by: Jack Mahogg at September 21, 2024 12:16 PM (00IUw)

114 You know how, after watching a YouTube video, there are suggestions for what you might want to see next? One of the suggestions for me was a political video that featured a photo of Sam Brinton in one of his fabulous red dresses.

Let me just say that red lipstick with a mustache is not a good look.

Posted by: Emmie at September 21, 2024 12:16 PM (Sf2cq)

115 Thanks for putting the spotlight on this Viva podcast from 2021. He mentioned its sudden rise in views and I meant to watch it.

I really enjoy the Sunday night Viva-Barnes podcasts. Robert Barnes does a good job of explaining the big cases going on now.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at September 21, 2024 12:19 PM (w6EFb)

116 @100 Tom, when the group sings Start Me Up as a folk song and sang the line "you make a dead man cum" I hurt myself laughing

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 12:19 PM (DW4th)

117 Bret Stephens asks Stephanie Ruhle why Kamala Harris has not done interviews and stated clearly what her policy positions are. Ruhle responds that 'We don't live in Nirvana':
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Bret Stephens: "I'm an undecided voter. I'm not sure I want to vote for Kamala. My fear is that she doesn't really have a very good command of what she wants to do as president. It would be great for her to sit down with you, or George Stephanopoulos, or you Stephanie. It's not too much to ask Kamala 'Are you for a Palestinian state, if Hamas is going to run that state?'"

Stephanie Ruhle: "If you don't like her answer, are you going to vote for Trump? Kamala Harris is not running for perfect, she is running against Trump. We have two choices. There are some things that you might not know her answer to. In 2024, we know exactly what Trump will do, who he is, and the kind of threat he is to democracy."

Stephens: "People also are expected to have some idea of what the program that you're supposed to vote for. I don't think it's a lot to ask for her to sit down for a real interview."

Ruhle: "When you move to Nirvana, I'll be your next door neighbor. We don't live there."

https://bit.ly/3MUbjYl

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 21, 2024 12:20 PM (P5BPp)

118 The way the left is playing with normal is in some ways fascinating.

Trump isn't particularly normal - even before politics he was a larger then life media figure. But Vance? A married guy with kids from Ohio? It doesn't get more normal then that does it?

But because he doesn't want to sexually mutilate children or launch WWIII in Ukraine he's "weird". You could not get even a leftwing activist from 20 years ago to understand this political moment.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:20 PM (oZhjI)

119 Speaking of sex, it appears Ashton Kutcher is in trouble with Mila because of his friendship with Kiddy Diddy. They had written a letter of support for their rapist costar Danny Masterson allegedly before they knew the details but now Kiddy Diddy? It appears his only defense is that everybody in Hollywood is a pervert.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 21, 2024 12:21 PM (L/fGl)

120 Again, Cleveland, a prominent man who wished to keep his prominence, married the girl when she could say "I do", which in his day was considered right & proper despite the age difference.
Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 21, 2024 12:14 PM (W+kMI)

I would encourage anyone to read up on the whole story here, and not just the whitewashed version.

Anyone on this site who wants to say "you don't know," fine. We also don't know which of those people who were flying to Epstein Island, and frequenting his New York mansion, and New Mexico ranch, we don't really know which ones of them were having sex with minors.

Bill Clinton, if he ever acknowledges it, will insist he didn't. So will Alan Dershowitz, who threatens to sue anyone who says he did.

Sorry folks, they did. Being rich and powerful is HOW you get away with this stuff. Cleveland did plenty of shady things, and the marriage to the girl WAS acknowledged at the time to be skeevy, and evidence he was up to no good.

But as they say, the victors write the history books, and yeah, they're all dead now, so I guess what dead people did doesn't matter to us today.

Sure.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:22 PM (07joY)

121 99 So, what's the purpose of a quinceañera? *
Generally speaking.
*I know what it is, want to see what others think
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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I was at a public venue when the covid lockdown was declared.
It's amazing how quickly mass perspective/attitude will change when a voice of authority speaks.

Same thing about societal mores.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 12:22 PM (KL5wO)

122 We forget that in the 19th century and earlier, you were an adult for most intents and purposes at age 16.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 21, 2024 12:22 PM (CYs/R)

123 In a perfect world, Marshall University quarterback Stone Earl would play instead for Slippery Rock.

Posted by: one hour sober at September 21, 2024 12:23 PM (Y1sOo)

124 Stephanie Ruhle: "If you don't like her answer, are you going to vote for Trump? Kamala Harris is not running for perfect, she is running against Trump

This is another odd part of our current political moment. Harris is the VP of the current President. She has mostly been lock step with Biden. Everyone should know what she is going to do - the same things Biden did.

So if you want more of the last 4 years you should vote for Harris, and if you don't want a replay of the last 4 years you should vote for the reformist challenger. Trump should barely be in the equation if you are undecided. Do you want Biden/Harris-nomics or do you want a change?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:23 PM (oZhjI)

125 There's a difference between assuming, suspecting and knowing.
It's sigificant.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 12:24 PM (KL5wO)

126 Let me just say that red lipstick with a mustache is not a good look.
Posted by: Emmie at September 21, 2024 12:16 PM (Sf2cq)

What, you think more of a taupe or beige?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 12:24 PM (y31cs)

127 122 We forget that in the 19th century and earlier, you were an adult for most intents and purposes at age 16.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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I'll go for 13, Alex.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 12:25 PM (KL5wO)

128 106 Hitler declared war on us, not the other way around.

A serious mistake on his part. If he doesn't DOW the US it isn't clear to me that the US immediately enters the war against National Socialist Germany as it starts going to war against Japan.
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It was his biggest mistake, a rote repetition of the strategic mistake that cost Imperial Germany WW I in the end. Now, to be be fair, the less-than-true-neutral USA and the Third Reich had traded shots on the high seas in 1941. Indeed, the good Reuben James had been sunk by a U-boat while convoying US merchantmen to a rendezvous with the Royal Navy near Iceland. Another destroyer had been hit with a torpedo a month prior, and the tin cans had orders to attack U-boats approaching the ships they guarded.

That being said, the American public was still split on war with Germany, and most worries about war was focused on Imperial Japan. If Yamamoto hadn't put the Pearl Harbor attack into motion, the Pacific Fleet would've left for the Phillppines a week or two later under orders from the capitol. It is possible that absent Germanys declaraction, the USA would've conducted only war against Imperial Japan in 1942.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at September 21, 2024 12:26 PM (W+kMI)

129 It appears his only defense is that everybody in Hollywood is a pervert.

Its an open secret. It took decades to convict Weinstein of anything because he was being protected by Kamala Harris, Cyrus Vance and the rest.

And we know Disney/Nick producers are preying on kids and...no one will do anything about it.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:26 PM (oZhjI)

130 Speaking of sex, it appears Ashton Kutcher is in trouble with Mila because of his friendship with Kiddy Diddy. They had written a letter of support for their rapist costar Danny Masterson allegedly before they knew the details but now Kiddy Diddy? It appears his only defense is that everybody in Hollywood is a pervert.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 21, 2024 12:21 PM (L/fGl)

I'm assuming there are plenty of people in Hollyweird who "did some things," and would like to keep all that in their past.

Oops. Diddy did it. So did you. And you and you and you and you and you and so on and so forth.

Funny how so many of these same people were slicking themselves over the notion that Trump might have said something years ago to someone in a department store dressing room, and now they're going to have to worry about their own past being exposed.

Reap what you sew, folks.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:26 PM (07joY)

131 And yet, and yet, and yet....

Per the 1860 US Census, only TWO PERCENT of Southerners owned slaves.

Why is the South the eternal scapegoat for the nation's sins? Because they REBELLED against the FedGov, and must forever be pilloried as a warning to anyone thinking of kicking over the Fed traces.

See also, Razorfist's blazing rant about Lincoln: per primary source materials, not hagiographical Lincolniana.

Posted by: Beverly at September 21, 2024 12:26 PM (Epeb0)

132 If Yamamoto hadn't put the Pearl Harbor attack into motion, the Pacific Fleet would've left for the Phillppines a week or two later under orders from the capitol. It is possible that absent Germanys declaraction, the USA would've conducted only war against Imperial Japan in 1942.

And absent American lend lease the Soviets collapse in '43. They were only able to field so many troops because America was sending them a ridiculous amount of supplies.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:28 PM (oZhjI)

133 >>>So if you want more of the last 4 years you should vote for Harris, and if you don't want a replay of the last 4 years you should vote for the reformist challenger. Trump should barely be in the equation if you are undecided. Do you want Biden/Harris-nomics or do you want a change?
Posted by: 18-1
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Just like the mass of people shocked when they saw Biden at the debate, those same people don't know shellac from Shinola.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 12:28 PM (KL5wO)

134 Its an open secret. It took decades to convict Weinstein of anything because he was being protected by Kamala Harris, Cyrus Vance and the rest.

And we know Disney/Nick producers are preying on kids and...no one will do anything about it.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:26 PM (oZhjI)

Someone asked the other day, if there was a way to tie Oprah into all of this.

Yes. Oprah is tied into all of this. She is believed to be a procurer, not just for Weinstein, but also Quincy Jones. And I'm going to guess, Diddy as well.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:29 PM (07joY)

135 Watched that clip of Maher's show and Stephanie Ruhle is one arrogant twit. Does not care one iota about Harris being an ignorant Marxist puppet because Trump is icky.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 12:29 PM (DW4th)

136 Notice that the Government never disseminates "disinformation and misinformation".

Only opponents of the Government disseminate "disinformation and misinformation".
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 21, 2024 11:21 AM (uxCna)

This. And the fact that there are people who believe this shows those people do not understand the significance of the first amendment.

Posted by: Emmie at September 21, 2024 12:30 PM (Sf2cq)

137 Kamala Harris is not running for perfect, she is running against Trump.

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If she were running against Jimmy Buffet, I'd consider becoming a parrot head

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 21, 2024 12:31 PM (L/fGl)

138 Why is the South the eternal scapegoat for the nation's sins? Because they REBELLED against the FedGov, and must forever be pilloried as a warning to anyone thinking of kicking over the Fed traces.

See also, Razorfist's blazing rant about Lincoln: per primary source materials, not hagiographical Lincolniana.
Posted by: Beverly at September 21, 2024 12:26 PM (Epeb0)

The South: Proto-Proud Boys and J6 protesters.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:31 PM (07joY)

139 Interesting quote from that Wiki on Mike Lind. It does exactly what you're talking about:
none is fully a libertarian society:
If libertarianism was a good idea, wouldn't at least one country have tried it?

There's a huge factual difference between "none is a libertarian society" and "none have ever tried it." It's a motte and bailey fallacy being used here.

Now, I think you can make an argument that none have ever successfully managed it. But to flow from the one statement to the other as if they are equivalent is bullcarp. And it's a large part of hating the media and others who provide so much of our information. Find these things and kick them in the b***s over it!

Posted by: GWB at September 21, 2024 12:32 PM (doQhm)

140 Stephanie Ruhle had a special relationship with the CEO of UnderArmor. In return for giving him glowing press coverage she got favors. It isn't clear if it was just graft or an affair as well. And yes she's married and claims to be a Catholic.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:33 PM (oZhjI)

141 And absent American lend lease the Soviets collapse in '43. They were only able to field so many troops because America was sending them a ridiculous amount of supplies.

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I don't think Lend-Lease was a critical factor. Lend-lease equipment didn't start flowing in quantity until '43. This was after Stalingrad. The Krauts' goose was cooked when Barbarossa failed in Fall 1941.

The Lend-lease trucks might have moved the affair to a quicker conclusion, but barring a black swan event the conclusion was going to be the same regardless.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 21, 2024 12:33 PM (JkO4W)

142 There's a huge factual difference between "none is a libertarian society" and "none have ever tried it." It's a motte and bailey fallacy being used here.

Now, I think you can make an argument that none have ever successfully managed it. But to flow from the one statement to the other as if they are equivalent is bullcarp. And it's a large part of hating the media and others who provide so much of our information. Find these things and kick them in the b***s over it!
Posted by: GWB at September 21, 2024 12:32 PM (doQhm)

Present day Argentina would like to have a word.

As would, America c. 1776.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:34 PM (07joY)

143 Notice that the Government never disseminates "disinformation and misinformation".


In 2021 it was disinformation to say the clot shot did not stop the spread of COVID

In 2024 it is disinformation to say the government claimed the clot shot stopped the spread of COVID and malinformation to link the video of President Biden saying the clot shot stops the spread of COVID

Interesting how that works isn't it?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:34 PM (oZhjI)

144 Another weekend. Is there going to be a pool for placing bets on which state the next leftwing endorsed attempted assassin emerges from?

Posted by: Rex B at September 21, 2024 12:35 PM (LiD+O)

145 Stephanie Ruhle: "If you don't like her answer, are you going to vote for Trump? Kamala Harris is not running for perfect, she is running against Trump. We have two choices. There are some things that you might not know her answer to. In 2024, we know exactly what Trump will do, who he is, and the kind of threat he is to democracy."

Stephens: "People also are expected to have some idea of what the program that you're supposed to vote for. I don't think it's a lot to ask for her to sit down for a real interview."

Ruhle: "When you move to Nirvana, I'll be your next door neighbor. We don't live there."

https://bit.ly/3MUbjYl
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 21, 2024 12:20 PM (P5BPp)

You have to vote for the candidate in order to find out the policies of the candidate.

Posted by: Emmie at September 21, 2024 12:36 PM (Sf2cq)

146 In 2024 it is disinformation to say the government claimed the clot shot stopped the spread of COVID and malinformation to link the video of President Biden saying the clot shot stops the spread of COVID

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In the old Soviet Union the joke went around that the future was always certain. It is the past that's hard to predict.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 21, 2024 12:36 PM (JkO4W)

147 In 2021 it was disinformation to say the clot shot did not stop the spread of COVID

In 2024 it is disinformation to say the government claimed the clot shot stopped the spread of COVID and malinformation to link the video of President Biden saying the clot shot stops the spread of COVID

Interesting how that works isn't it?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:34 PM (oZhjI)

It's all marxist language, and I refuse to use it. Anyone I see using it, they have either bought into THAT lie, or they don't know where any of this crap came from.

They are, as some might say, unburdened by what has been.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:37 PM (07joY)

148 This was after Stalingrad. The Krauts' goose was cooked when Barbarossa failed in Fall 1941.

Disagree, the Soviets made gains in the winter of '41 only to see the Germans go back on the offensive in the spring.

The Soviets were short on everything - in one noted case Soviet units were operating without firearms.

Once lend lease came in they could essentially draft as many men as they wanted whereas the Axis powers had to allocate workers to make their trucks, boots, etc.

Absent that aid, by 43 the Soviets are done.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:37 PM (oZhjI)

149 We gave Russia food, clothes, guns, bullets, airplanes, jeeps, trucks, you name it. If it were not for US they would have either starved, froze to death, or been slaughtered.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 12:38 PM (KL5wO)

150 Should I know who Stephanie Rhule is?

These days, if some bint is arguing for Cummala, I just assume she's an abortion zealot.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:39 PM (07joY)

151 The Soviets were short on everything - in one noted case Soviet units were operating without firearms.
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Man with gun in front, when he is killed the man behind takes his gun and proceeds.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 12:39 PM (KL5wO)

152 First convoys of supplies to Russia were prior to Germany declaring war on the US.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 12:40 PM (D6PGr)

153 Libertarianism was the ruling ideology of the US/Britain in the late 1800s until the progressives came to the fore.

It created the two most powerful states the world had ever seen to that point.

Now it both cases the system was replaced without much complaint from the population which indicates it has weaknesses but you can't argue with its power.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:40 PM (oZhjI)

154 Visiting Southern plantations I was surprised at how middle class they were. Not opulent like Newport nor crass McMansions like Beverly Hills. Houses like a sea Captain's up North. Southern gentry was not especially rich. They did not produce value-added goods that required skilled workers.

No. They grew shitty cash crops -- cotton, rice, tobacco and Indigo -- requiring unskilled labor that could survive tropical heat and diseases.

British colonists depleted

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 21, 2024 12:41 PM (wBaIH)

155
The Lend-lease trucks might have moved the affair to a quicker conclusion, but barring a black swan event the conclusion was going to be the same regardless.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 21, 2024 12:33 PM (JkO4W)

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Without Lend-Lease, Russia still would have won, but it would have taken another 18 months or two years. Assuming they didn't cut another deal with Hitler, like they tried repeatedly during the war.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 21, 2024 12:41 PM (3xay6)

156
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 73% of Likely U.S. Voters say, when considering the general conditions in the country, America needs a fresh start and a new direction.

If not for Dominion, I'd say it's over.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 21, 2024 12:41 PM (RKVpM)

157 Man with gun in front, when he is killed the man behind takes his gun and proceeds.

I haven't seen Enemy at the Gates in a while, though I remember liking it when I saw it years ago, I wonder if the movie still holds up?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:41 PM (oZhjI)

158 The Democrats Propaganda Ministry has done a great job these last 8 years Turning Trump into #1 Enemy

Posted by: Skip at September 21, 2024 12:42 PM (fwDg9)

159 And the left still hasn't answered how Trump threatened 2016-2020, because telling people to go ever to the capitol "peacefully and patriotically" on January 6th doesn't sound like a threat to democracy, but they know nothing about what actually happened there except for what the news media tells them.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 12:42 PM (dTTBf)

160 They are, as some might say, unburdened by what has been.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Some say she's an airhead I say she's a dangerous woman.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 12:43 PM (KL5wO)

161 If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me.

Posted by: Nikita Khrushchev's memoirs at September 21, 2024 12:44 PM (oZhjI)

162 135 Watched that clip of Maher's show and Stephanie Ruhle is one arrogant twit. Does not care one iota about Harris being an ignorant Marxist puppet because Trump is icky.
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Eric Abbenante @EricAbbenante
Bill Maher claims that only Republicans are committing dangerous rhetoric:
Bill Maher: "There's only one side - there should be no false equivalency here - that uses the kind of rhetoric that they use:
'We are in the process of the 2nd American Revolution if the left allows it to be.'
You don't hear that from the other side.
This idea of 'Look we don't want to have to kill you, but if you keep winning, and the country keeps going your way, we will."

There should be no false equivalency here:
Donald Trump has had multiple attempts on his life. Meanwhile not only is Kamala Harris safe, she couldn't get anyone to attend her rallies unless she pays them and bribes them with free concerts.
https://tinyurl.com/yzprx5z8
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And him saying Project 2025 references are bullshit isn't a get out of a death-squad-hit card.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 21, 2024 12:44 PM (CEzQx)

163 I haven't seen Enemy at the Gates in a while, though I remember liking it when I saw it years ago, I wonder if the movie still holds up?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:41 PM (oZhjI)

It is still pretty good. The dissonant characterization of the German sniper and going full nazi is still annoying, but the movie is good.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 21, 2024 12:44 PM (y31cs)

164 California, where one party controls both houses of government and the governor's seat, is an example of dictatorship of the majority.
Piss off Newsome. I try to live by MacArthur's motto, never tattle, never lie. I'll say what I want, when I want, and how I want.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 21, 2024 12:44 PM (W/lyH)

165 159-Meant "Threatened democracy 2016-2020"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 12:44 PM (dTTBf)

166
It is still pretty good. The dissonant characterization of the German sniper and going full nazi is still annoying, but the movie is good.

I suspect for Ed Harris he was acting in the earlier parts of the movie and just being himself in the latter.

I remember Rachel Weisz being in the movie but she was just sort of there. If you are going to be the eye-candy love interest wearing Soviet military uniforms is not going to cut it...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:46 PM (oZhjI)

167
We gave Russia food, clothes, guns, bullets, airplanes, jeeps, trucks, you name it. If it were not for US they would have either starved, froze to death, or been slaughtered.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 12:38 PM

After 'the wall' came down we only became enemies when they held a vote and decided they didn't want their infants abused by US citizens of a certain proclivity.

It's a damn shame we're at the point we are now.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 21, 2024 12:46 PM (RKVpM)

168 California, where one party controls both houses of government and the governor's seat, is an example of dictatorship of the majority.

Do the Reps out there ever bring this up? That one political party completely controls everything and that if the voters don't like the way things are voting the same way is insanity?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:47 PM (oZhjI)

169 I think libertarianism is being tried; Libya today is the most libertarian country in the world, with no effective government whatsoever.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 21, 2024 12:47 PM (CYs/R)

170 "...or other election communication containing materially deceptive content,"

So. If I vote like some of the ads say I should, for dems, I'll be surrounded by pretty girls? That's the truth, right? Not deceptive at all, right?

Posted by: Diogenes at September 21, 2024 12:49 PM (W/lyH)

171 think libertarianism is being tried; Libya today is the most libertarian country in the world, with no effective government whatsoever.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 21, 2024 12:47 PM (CYs/R)

Thin line between libertarianism and anarchy.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 12:49 PM (D6PGr)

172 Libertarianism was the ruling ideology of the US/Britain in the late 1800s until the progressives came to the fore.

It created the two most powerful states the world had ever seen to that point.

Now it both cases the system was replaced without much complaint from the population which indicates it has weaknesses but you can't argue with its power.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:40 PM (oZhjI)

I would suggest libertarian was NOT the foundation of British foreign policy during that time period. Domestic policy? Sure, but no matter what positives one might attribute to the British empire, smaller government and self rule were not part of it.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:50 PM (EF7Aq)

173 Hillary already basically jailed a guy who put an obvious joke on the internet about voting for her. No reasonable person with an IQ above 90 would have thought it was serious.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 12:51 PM (D6PGr)

174
So. If I vote like some of the ads say I should, for dems, I'll be surrounded by pretty girls? That's the truth, right? Not deceptive at all, right?

Posted by: Diogenes at September 21, 2024 12:49 PM

You mean you never collected on a Madonna blow job by voting for Hillary?

Posted by: Me Neither But I Didn't Want One From Her at September 21, 2024 12:52 PM (RKVpM)

175 Democrats are oddly terrified of free speech.

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at September 21, 2024 12:52 PM (FfSAJ)

176 If only we could control free speech we could save Democracy !!

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 12:53 PM (D6PGr)

177 They are, as some might say, unburdened by what has been.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Some say she's an airhead I say she's a dangerous woman.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 12:43 PM (KL5wO)

I'd say both. She learned at being what I'd say is more accurately described as fascist, rather than marxist, but she did no because airheads are the best at absorbing that shite.

Now, her daddy is supposedly a brilliant marxist economist, but he didn't really raise her, so what she absorbed from him was mostly from afar. I don't think she got his brains.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:53 PM (EF7Aq)

178 This was on last night's ONT but it's so good I thought I'd repost for any who missed it. I figure B.B. King got some strange.

https://is.gd/Rk3Mxr

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 21, 2024 12:53 PM (L/fGl)

179 Do the Reps out there ever bring this up? That one political party completely controls everything and that if the voters don't like the way things are voting the same way is insanity?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 12:47 PM (oZhjI)


They do in NorCal but its just pissing in the wind. There is no hope of the Reps ever winning back any significant role in California.
It's so bad that I wonder if they were to form a serious militia, cut off the northern part of the state, and Newsome was to call put the NG, if the NG would move on the insurrection? There is probably a good apocalyptic book in that.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 21, 2024 12:54 PM (W/lyH)

180
Hillary already basically jailed a guy who put an obvious joke on the internet about voting for her. No reasonable person with an IQ above 90 would have thought it was serious.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 12:51 PM

It was Biden who started that ball rolling, days after taking office, more then four years after it happened.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 21, 2024 12:55 PM (RKVpM)

181 It's a good thing I am not around media types. Cause I would slap them silly, any time they say " threat to democracy". They did a coup to remove the candidate that won the primary and installed someone that was not voted on. I'd say you might want to fixthat first.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 12:55 PM (MpVUb)

182 LOL.

Matt Walsh @MattWalshBlog 20h
If you want to speak like Kamala Harris, in terms of how you speak and the language you use and the sentences you utter and articulate, it’s important to always use ten words when one would suffice, and to never — in terms of ending sentences — actually end your sentence, but instead continue, and proceed, and even carry on, in terms of how you continue, so that you won’t reach the end of your sentence and be expected — even, you might say, encouraged, urged — to begin a new sentence, when in fact, in terms of saying things, you actually have nothing to say at all, so you continue saying words, terms, and phrases, so no one notices — hear me on this — no one notices — how stupid, in terms of intelligence, you actually are.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 21, 2024 12:55 PM (CEzQx)

183 I think libertarianism is being tried; Libya today is the most libertarian country in the world, with no effective government whatsoever.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 21, 2024 12:47 PM (CYs/R)

Don't tempt me.

I'm under contract on the new house, but second look at moving to Libya? Bet I could get a 3000 sq. ft. house for significantly less than I am paying for a significantly smaller house here.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:57 PM (EF7Aq)

184 Ruhle: "When you move to Nirvana, I'll be your next door neighbor. We don't live there."

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So, it's asking for Nirvana just to have a presidential candidate answer freaking questions about what they plan to do to the 330 million Americans living here?? Yeah, how unrealistic!

Posted by: Lady in Black at September 21, 2024 12:57 PM (N2zvp)

185 The book Enemy at the Gates is better

Posted by: Skip at September 21, 2024 12:57 PM (fwDg9)

186 @169 and at least as of a couple of years ago Libya had Africans being sold in slave markets. Anarchy for fun and profit

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 12:58 PM (DW4th)

187 Haitians gnawed all the insulation off the wiring in my crawlspace.

No, really. I mean it. That's what happened. They gnawed all my wiring, and it's not too soon to tell the truth, the real truth, the truth God intended.

Shut the fuck up, I am NOT KIDDING.

Posted by: Tom Perry at September 21, 2024 12:58 PM (MX0bI)

188 We already had a President whose parents and mentor were Marxists and a CIA director who voted for communist party candidates. Now we have another Dem candidate who has a Marxist professor father who she is emulating with her stated policies.

I didn’t have that on my bingo card 30 years ago.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 12:58 PM (D6PGr)

189 Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 21, 2024 12:55 PM (CEzQx)

Thanks; That is funny. He is a clever guy. I am looking forward to seeing, "Am I a racist?" sometime soon although it makes me feel old to hear him say in the trailer, "Growing up in the 90's...." I was out of graduate school in the 90's.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 21, 2024 12:58 PM (dTTBf)

190 California...

To hear some of the non-political stories our daughter and son-in-law have about day-to-day life there you'd think it really was a 3rd world shit hole country in Central America.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 21, 2024 12:59 PM (Q4IgG)

191 Matt Walsh @MattWalshBlog 20h
If you want to speak like Kamala Harris....
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 21, 2024 12:55 PM (CEzQx)

Fail. He actually makes a point.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:59 PM (EF7Aq)

192 Then is not the same as now. The only contraceptive was condoms. Everyone knew you stood a good chance for a pregnancy if you had sex. And unlike now, that would destroy you socially. He didn't have sex with a child.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 12:59 PM (MpVUb)

193 164 California, where one party controls both houses of government and the governor's seat, is an example of dictatorship of the majority.
Piss off Newsome. I try to live by MacArthur's motto, never tattle, never lie. I'll say what I want, when I want, and how I want.
Posted by: Diogenes
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Every conservative law Californians voted for was overturned by its Supreme Court.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 12:59 PM (KL5wO)

194 Democrats are oddly terrified of free speech.
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And election integrity even including auditing election results in a completely uncorrupted system!

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 21, 2024 12:59 PM (CEzQx)

195 The book Enemy at the Gates is better
Posted by: Skip at September 21, 2024 12:57 PM (fwDg9)


Concur.
Movie good. Book better.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 21, 2024 12:59 PM (W/lyH)

196 It was Biden who started that ball rolling, days after taking office, more then four years after it happened.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 21, 2024 12:55 PM (RKVpM)

I’m assuming at Hillary’s insistence.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 01:00 PM (D6PGr)

197 Afternoon.

Posted by: Robert at September 21, 2024 01:01 PM (1Yy3c)

198 It's a good thing I am not around media types. Cause I would slap them silly, any time they say " threat to democracy". They did a coup to remove the candidate that won the primary and installed someone that was not voted on. I'd say you might want to fixthat first.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 12:55 PM (MpVUb)

I have it on good authority they did indeed hold a primary, and that Cummala won every vote.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 01:02 PM (EF7Aq)

199 >>>Now, her daddy is supposedly a brilliant marxist economist, but he didn't really raise her, so what she absorbed from him was mostly from afar. I don't think she got his brains.
Posted by: BurtTC at September
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Daddy cut loose from her mother because mom was too radical.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 01:02 PM (KL5wO)

200 Then is not the same as now. The only contraceptive was condoms. Everyone knew you stood a good chance for a pregnancy if you had sex. And unlike now, that would destroy you socially. He didn't have sex with a child.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 21, 2024 12:59 PM (MpVUb)

Sure.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 01:03 PM (EF7Aq)

201
I’m assuming at Hillary’s insistence.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 21, 2024 01:00 PM

I don't know about that, could be. I think it was more or less showing a desire to put a boot on the face of freedom, forever.

Hence, coming right out of the gate within days.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 21, 2024 01:03 PM (RKVpM)

202 A cartoon has really honked off Tlaib. It showed her at her desk and her pager blowing up. "Islamaphobic" and "dangerous". I smiled and smiled

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 01:03 PM (DW4th)

203 I think libertarianism is being tried; Libya today is the most libertarian country in the world, with no effective government whatsoever.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 21, 2024 12:47 PM (CYs/R)

That is because you don't have a clue of what you are talking about.

I am sure saying that made you feel good, though,

Posted by: Kindltot at September 21, 2024 01:03 PM (D7oie)

204 Jonathan Last is a communist.

Excuse me, EX-communist.

Spoiler alert, once a filthy communist always a filthy communist.*

Fuck Jon Last.

*Thomas Sowell being the exception. He's at least an intellectual.

Posted by: Robert at September 21, 2024 01:03 PM (1Yy3c)

205 > A cartoon has really honked off Tlaib. It showed her at her desk and her pager blowing up. "Islamaphobic" and "dangerous". I smiled and smiled
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The memes of her, Ilham Omar brother-fucker, AOC and others all being wheeled into ambulances after their pagers went off are pretty funny.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 21, 2024 01:05 PM (Q4IgG)

206 Now, her daddy is supposedly a brilliant marxist economist, but he didn't really raise her, so what she absorbed from him was mostly from afar. I don't think she got his brains.
Posted by: BurtTC at September
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Daddy cut loose from her mother because mom was too radical.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 01:02 PM (KL5wO)

Honestly, I think the divide between father and daughter now, is that he's kind of a purist when it comes to marxist principles, and she's embraced the Democrat Party/fascist line.

That and being a cum dumpster in order to rise in power.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 01:05 PM (EF7Aq)

207 I just wonder if Oprah, et al ever consider... what if this idiot woman wins, and the world descends into warfare even worse than today?!

Don't they ever pause for a moment and ponder how widely evil would be enabled by the second totally ineffectual American leader in a row?

I'm talking to you, Oprah. Did you get to be a billionaire by acting stupid, like you are now?!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at September 21, 2024 01:15 PM (gfztU)

208 Thomas Sowell should stick to what he knows, economics.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 01:15 PM (KL5wO)

209 It really doesn't take much thinking to be a Marxist economist. This is the plan and it will work , no dissent or contrary views, let alone dealing with reality

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 01:17 PM (DW4th)

210 Don't they ever pause for a moment and ponder how widely evil would be enabled by the second totally ineffectual American leader in a row?

I suspect she knows she's largely insulated from the impact of her actions. If the US ends up like Brazil or China well...I guess that's just bad luck but Harris will move us closer to Utopia where the elites run everything the right way and receive the respect they deserve.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 01:17 PM (oZhjI)

211 > I just wonder if Oprah, et al ever consider... what if this idiot woman wins, and the world descends into warfare even worse than today?!

Don't they ever pause for a moment and ponder how widely evil would be enabled by the second totally ineffectual American leader in a row?
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For Democrats, their ideology and politics are their religion. They're very, very passionate about it. They're like jihadis in that respect. And act like them.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 21, 2024 01:19 PM (Q4IgG)

212 Do the Meme police get to carry, and have a fancy police car?

Posted by: Colin at September 21, 2024 01:22 PM (e8qy3)

213 Uh, if you are not in Clownifornia, how does a Calf Law affect you?

Now, if I, as someone in Calif opens that picture, by voluntarily going to a site... and (horror) sees it... am I somehow now legally responsible for seeing it?

How is even an out of State Publisher, bound by California law? if I as a Website NOT residing in Calif (server outside Jurisdiction) hosts a picture?

Whole framework of this law is based on the idea that California now has Worldwide Jurisdiction over Speech?

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 21, 2024 01:22 PM (xaFKb)

214 ...And him saying Project 2025 references are bullshit isn't a get out of a death-squad-hit card.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 21, 2024 12:44 PM (CEzQx)

One thing about Project 2025. I downloaded the document a while ago and started skimming it. Nothing really radical in there so far, but that's not the point of this post.

If P2025 has gotten so much bad press, you'd think that someone from the Heritage Foundation would have been making the rounds of the talk shows trying to defend its work product. The fact that it's not tells me a lot about what the purpose of its drafting really was.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 21, 2024 01:24 PM (0CU3H)

215 "Thought Crime," needs to be said out loud more often.

Posted by: davidt at September 21, 2024 01:25 PM (i0F8b)

216 It's the having sex with a child part that troubles me.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:55 AM (YWhxe)

1) Why would you think they had sex before he married her?
2) Do you think 19 is a child? It was severely not, especially back then.

Posted by: GWB at September 21, 2024 01:26 PM (doQhm)

217 Don't they ever pause for a moment and ponder how widely evil would be enabled by the second totally ineffectual American leader in a row?
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I suspect she knows she's largely insulated from the impact of her actions. If the US ends up like Brazil or China well...I guess that's just bad luck but Harris will move us closer to Utopia where the elites run everything the right way and receive the respect they deserve.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 01:17 PM (oZhjI)

Oprah considers herself an elite insider, she knows damn well their plan is to destroy the country/world.

As I've noted before, they have their bunkers, believe they will be insulated from the chaos, and will emerge from underground when it's safe to do so.

What I don't know, and they don't either, are they REALLY part of the elite, or are some of these clowns just more insulation for the upper inner circle, and when the reavers come, that level, the one with the Oprahs and other assorted celebs, will be devoured, just a little more slowly than the rest of us.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 01:28 PM (rEPmj)

218
Whole framework of this law is based on the idea that California now has Worldwide Jurisdiction over Speech?

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 21, 2024 01:22 PM

It will probably start with 'Reciprocity Agreements' between blue states. Your meme in New York State which pisses off Newscum? You go to jail.

They may not want CW 2.08 beta but this is how it happens.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 21, 2024 01:28 PM (RKVpM)

219 Nood gardening

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2024 01:29 PM (oZhjI)

220 Whole framework of this law is based on the idea that California now has Worldwide Jurisdiction over Speech?
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 21, 2024 01:22 PM (xaFKb)

During the Trump administration, I had a classmate from California who complained that Trump was forcing California to pollute the atmosphere. I believe she was referring to some legislation that said California was not entitled to impose their crazy restrictions on the rest of the country.

Somehow not being able to boss around the other 49 states was "forcing" California to be a polluter.

Posted by: Emmie at September 21, 2024 01:30 PM (Sf2cq)

221 Yes I do. So do you, you just don't want to admit it.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:08 PM (YWhxe)

No. You don't. But you're just fine making assumptions and casting aspersions on people who can't defend themselves. That's not a very nice position to take - it's neither gracious nor humble nor godly.

Posted by: GWB at September 21, 2024 01:30 PM (doQhm)

222 It's the having sex with a child part that troubles me.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 11:55 AM (YWhxe)

1) Why would you think they had sex before he married her?
2) Do you think 19 is a child? It was severely not, especially back then.
Posted by: GWB at September 21, 2024 01:26 PM (doQhm)

Why would you think he didn't?

She was 10, when he took her in. Just him. Nobody else. Him and a 10 year old girl.

I don't know when he started banging her, but I think it's highly highly naive to think it only started after he put a ring on her finger.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 01:31 PM (rEPmj)

223 No. You don't. But you're just fine making assumptions and casting aspersions on people who can't defend themselves. That's not a very nice position to take - it's neither gracious nor humble nor godly.
Posted by: GWB at September 21, 2024 01:30 PM (doQhm)

Good lord, some of you people are silly fools.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 01:32 PM (rEPmj)

224 The book Enemy at the Gates is better

Posted by: Skip at September 21, 2024 12:57 PM (fwDg9)


Agreed. The best book on the battle of Stalingrad, IMO.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 21, 2024 01:33 PM (bwEO0)

225 >>>What I don't know, and they don't either, are they REALLY part of the elite, or are some of these clowns just more insulation for the upper inner circle, and when the reavers come, that level, the one with the Oprahs and other assorted celebs, will be devoured, just a little more slowly than the rest of us.
Posted by: BurtTC
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The equation will be:
Propaganda value vs Money and property

When they lose propaganda value their money and property will be confiscated and they will be tossed to the wolves.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 01:36 PM (KL5wO)

226 For Democrats, their ideology and politics are their religion. They're very, very passionate about it. They're like jihadis in that respect. And act like them.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 21, 2024 01:19 PM (Q4IgG)


Exactly right. Religious fanatics are the most dangerous type because all the normal types of dissuasion don't work on them. Whether Iranian mullahs or Democrats here.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 21, 2024 01:37 PM (bwEO0)

227 >>>I don't know when he started banging her, but I think it's highly highly naive to think it only started after he put a ring on her finger.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Hearsay, inadmissible as evidence.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 01:38 PM (KL5wO)

228 Leftism is always one stage thinking, the future is as bright and rosey as they wish it will be.

Posted by: Skip at September 21, 2024 01:39 PM (fwDg9)

229 My fear is that she doesn't really have a very good command of what she wants to do as president.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 21, 2024 12:20 PM (P5BPp)

She doesn't have to, because she won't be running things if she wins the election. And a large number of the Democrats-or-bust electorate at least understand that subconsciously.

Posted by: GWB at September 21, 2024 01:39 PM (doQhm)

230 I hadn't Razorfist on Lincoln. That is good.

youtube
https://tinyurl.com/59n5vphm

Posted by: illiniwek at September 21, 2024 01:41 PM (Cus5s)

231 Morning everyone

I know nothing of Cleveland...but I'll throw my two cents out anyway. I'm tired of our sex saturated society that encourages every relationship to be seen as sexual. Even in our sick society there are non sexual healthy relationships and, believe it or not, even healthy sexual relationships. Not all relationships are perverted!

Thus ends my little rant.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 21, 2024 01:46 PM (PcTds)

232 Does not care one iota about Harris being an ignorant Marxist puppet because Trump is icky.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 21, 2024 12:29 PM (DW4th)

And this is the problem with ignorant women. Entirely founded in feelings. And the Progressives have made every effort to ensure a large contingent of women stay this way or become this. (And have been trying to turn men this way, as well.)

Women who see clearly, OTOH - like 'ettes - do not do this.

Posted by: GWB at September 21, 2024 01:47 PM (doQhm)

233 Present day Argentina would like to have a word.

As would, America c. 1776.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 21, 2024 12:34 PM (07joY)

Not the way that Wiki defined it. Because I almost typed that, then read again and thought better of it.

Posted by: GWB at September 21, 2024 01:49 PM (doQhm)

234 > She doesn't have to, because she won't be running things if she wins the election. And a large number of the Democrats-or-bust electorate at least understand that subconsciously.
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I wonder if it's the same back-room operatives that are currently running *biden? Harris is (more or less) following *biden's 2020 campaign script by not talking to the press, not doing any events, etc. Just let the movers and shakers take care of the election and do what she's told.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 21, 2024 01:55 PM (Q4IgG)

235 You mean you never collected on a Madonna blow job by voting for Hillary?
Posted by: Me Neither But I Didn't Want One From Her at September 21, 2024 12:52 PM (RKVpM)

Oh, crap. I voted for Madonna and got a BJ from Hillary. Shit.

Posted by: R De Niro at September 21, 2024 02:02 PM (iODuv)

236 This is absolutely the patented Fascist Method as practiced by Genius Governor Gavin Newsom.

"Try And Stop Me" without regard for the law or the Constitution.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 21, 2024 02:10 PM (RIvkX)

237 Loved this deep dive KT! Thanks. Didn't know bourbon democrats or republicans was a thing. So of course the libs want to make it proof that conservatives are all wanna be slave owners.

Kamala isn't a bourbon democrat, she's also a gin, vodka, box wine, tequila, champagne, and whiskey kind of democrat.

Posted by: LizLem at September 21, 2024 02:35 PM (0oh9s)

238 I think the dems are smart to try and take Vance out with ridicule, calling him "weird" and other classic Alinsky tactics. The problem is it's not really working. He has none of the embarrassment about being conservative the neocons have, and he refuses to apologize for his beliefs or principles, or take their bait and fall for the usual dem tactics.

The craftiest liberals have realized he's a genuine threat: all of the MAGA agenda and even more conservative than Trump, but without the queens bluster and rich background. He has the rags to Ivies background any aspiring democrat politician would drool to have. Smart, resilient, and refuses to play the victim despite having many reasons he could, and a Democrat candidate with his resume absolutely would.

The 2028 field for conservative will be packed. But I think Trump will give him useful positions as VP and he'll have a robust resume to build on to make the case to be president in 2028.

The problem with strong conservative presidents like Reagan is there was never a good protege in the wings to continue their legacy. (HW Bush? Please.) Vance can take the Trump legacy and run with it, build on it and maximize it.

Posted by: LizLem at September 21, 2024 02:48 PM (A9+Cm)

239 This appears to be an accurate summation of the lethality of the pager attack.

https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1837024342238007660

Super efective attack.

But, of course, the terrorists literally bought and carried around the weapon that was used against them.

Super original thinking by the Israelis.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 21, 2024 02:59 PM (eDfFs)

240 Per the 1860 US Census, only TWO PERCENT of Southerners owned slaves.

Why is the South the eternal scapegoat for the nation's sins? Because they REBELLED against the FedGov, and must forever be pilloried as a warning to anyone thinking of kicking over the Fed traces.
==
Because their political leaders were pretty stupid. They took active political action to expand slavery, which made it a political problem. When the result of that was bringing Lincoln to national prominence, they essentially ran two candidates for President, because Douglas wasn't pro-slavery enough. Then when they screwed that up to elect Lincoln, they decided they were going to take their ball and go home.

They then made the mistake to think they could beat the north who had more men and more industry, and allowed a South Carolina military school fire the shots on a federal fort - allowing Lincoln to claim an attack by the South.

The South was more concerned about expanding slavery than fighting for state's rights. They got the Missouri compromise wiped out, and then got outplayed. Dumb.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 21, 2024 03:07 PM (9j0Kf)

241 Trump's rally at NC is on Newsmax

Posted by: Skip at September 21, 2024 03:15 PM (fwDg9)

242 "nothing happened until 18, it’s still skeevy. Woody Allen did the same thing.
Posted by: News Update at September 21, 2024 12:01 PM (CINMl)"

Oh, BS. That was a different time. Many women/girls got married very young, my g- grandmother was 14.

You cannot judge history based on current culture.

Posted by: BonnieBlue is tired of the lies at September 21, 2024 03:17 PM (g6wIE)

243 The Yankees needed those slaves a lot more than the South did. Simple as that.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - remember when women's jobs were valuable and had meaning? at September 21, 2024 03:19 PM (t1gFi)

244 Saw a article this morning Arizona cleaned the voter rolls, now seeing on Newsmax ticker the Arizona SC restored 98,000 of them

Posted by: Skip at September 21, 2024 03:19 PM (fwDg9)

245 Harris wants a 2nd debate on Communist News Network

Posted by: Skip at September 21, 2024 03:20 PM (fwDg9)

246 What I don't know, and they don't either, are they REALLY part of the elite, or are some of these clowns just more insulation for the upper inner circle, and when the reavers come, that level, the one with the Oprahs and other assorted celebs, will be devoured, just a little more slowly than the rest of us.

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I assume she's like Biden and Romney and all the others. They'll dance to the tune for a few million and the opportunity to make lots more, but their PR efforts - and that's all they're for - is just above the janitorial staff in the scheme of things at that level.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - remember when women's jobs were valuable and had meaning? at September 21, 2024 03:25 PM (t1gFi)

247 Awesome, in-depth analysis, K.T.

Posted by: Uncle Miltie F. at September 21, 2024 04:08 PM (GZHWa)

248 https://rsbntv.maz.tv/apps/3578/139782

Posted by: Braenyard at September 21, 2024 04:10 PM (KL5wO)

249 Tom Walz os an idiot. He forgets who is in power in Washington right now

https://tinyurl.com/ycx76hw2

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