Are intellectual discussions possible in the public square now?

Translation: "Pull My Finger, Comrade!"

The graphic above is from a ten year old post by OregonMuse. Miss him.

Feeling Intellectual? Or Not?

I passed my "can't you see how stupid this is?" limit this week. It's not just that stupid things are happening, it's that people are responding to them in such stupid ways.

I thought that maybe I would try to find some more intelligible reading for the weekend, perhaps with less focus on the here and now. I found that stupid things have been happening in a number of places over a long period of time. Even in ancient Greece!

I checked out the New Criterion online, and their front page featured:

Lenin everlasting
On the totalitarian's continued relevance.

It's by the editors. They must think it's important. I was surprised to learn how short, yet how destructive, Lenin's time in power was.

It is worth pausing to remember the hideous legacy of that ice-cold totalitarian. What we have in mind is not so much Lenin's butcher's bill as his more general modus operandi. Estimates of the number of people Lenin had tortured, maimed, and murdered vary, but are always well into the millions. But what may be just as creepy is his model of government.
We were reminded of this when, late last year, Miguel Cardona, President Biden's secretary of education, gave a talk to explain education-department priorities. Promoting a kinder, friendlier department, he said, "I think it was President Reagan [who] said, 'We're from the government. We're here to help.'"
We suppose that was intended to be reassuring. What Reagan actually said, however, as was pointed out about ten thousand times on social media, was the opposite. "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are 'I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.' "

At the center of the totalitarian impulse is the belief that ultimately freedom belongs only to the state, that the individual should not be treated as a free actor but rather, as Lenin put it, " 'a cog and a screw' of one single great Social-Democratic mechanism." Of course, few canny bureaucrats quote Lenin today, his association with tyranny having knocked him out of the great game of political PR.
But is he completely gone? One of the most depressing recent spectacles has been the rehabilitation of people and movements that, just a few years back, seemed safely consigned to the underworld. But watching Eloi-like college students praising Hamas, chanting genocidal formulae such as "From the river to the sea," even excusing the incontinent maunderings of Osama bin Laden, makes us wonder whether any enormity is sufficiently grave to overcome the moral anesthesia of the entitled class. Someone once described the on-again, off-again socialist Philip Rahv as a "born-again Leninist" -- their number, it turns out, is legion.
Which is why we predict an effort, perhaps sotto voce at first, to rehabilitate Lenin. After all, he articulated exactly the desire of everyone, from the creepy Doyen of Davos, Klaus Schwab, on down, who tells you that he's from the global government and he's here to help. . .

We do not need to resurrect Lenin from his glass coffin.

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The New Criterion has a blog.

This is from the entry for the May 31, 2024 Week in Review by Luke Lyman. There's a variety of things to think about which don't have a lot to do with the New York Times:

On Alcibiades, Solzhenitsyn & King Charles's portrait.

Ancient Greece

The wisest man in all of ancient Athens -- Socrates, namely -- met Alcibiades as a young man. After their encounter, the philosopher is said to have proclaimed that the boy would grow into either a great man or a singular force of destruction. In the end, he became a little bit of both.

Alcibiades, from the May 2024 issue of The Critic.

The career of the aristocratic Athenian politician, lover, general and traitor Alcibiades (c. 451-404 BC) is so well documented and colourful that it would surely have spawned numerous Hollywood movies and novelistic treatments, had his name not been so long and complicated (the standard English pronunciation is Al-si-BUY-a-deez).
His popularity, duplicity and unwavering self-regard make for ready points of comparison with modern politicians. The sheer amount of historical detail attached to his story is reflected in Aristotle's comment in his Poetics: "Poetry is more scientific and serious than history, because it offers general truths whilst history gives particular facts . . . A 'particular fact' is what Alcibiades did or what was done to him."
We know about "what Alcibiades did and what was done to him" from several authoritative ancient writers. The most entertaining portrayal, however, is that of the philosopher Plato

An amazing life story. Also available in an audio version at the link. Better or worse than modern politics?

"Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago at fifty"
Lee Edwards, Claremont Review of Books

Readers will no doubt find this article's subject familiar--Gary Saul Morson took up the same topic in the most recent issue of the magazine. But no amount of praise is too much for Solzhenitsyn's masterpiece. Morson and Claremont Review of Books's Lee Edwards both identify what makes the text required reading: the book is not merely about the evils of the Soviet Union, but rather about evil itself. This is what makes it, as Daniel J. Mahoney once declared, the "most powerful antitotalitarian book ever written." But Edwards reminds us that the book had its fair share of shortsighted detractors, such as the UCLA professor J. Arch Getty, who claimed the book possessed little value for students -- an assertion that looks especially reckless now, given how little university students today seem to know of the USSR's horrors.

Then again, how many of today's university students are able to read it?

I have seen some comments here at AoSHQ by folks intending to finish reading the Gulag Archipelago. So here is commentary by two students of the work which may serve as inspiration. Others can learn a lot just by reading these pieces.

First, Gary Saul Morson writing in New Criterion, who calls it The masterpiece of our time.

When Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago: An Experiment in Literary Investigation appeared in 1973, its impact, the author recalled, was immediate: "Like matter enveloped by antimatter, it exploded instantaneously!" The first translations into Western languages in 1974--just fifty years ago--proved almost as sensational. No longer was it so easy to cherish a sentimental attachment to communism and the ussr. In France, where Marxism had remained fashionable, the book changed the course of intellectual life, and in America it helped counter the New Left celebration of Mao, Castro, and other disciples of Marx, Lenin, and Stalin.
What was it that made this book so effective? And what did Solzhenitsyn mean by calling it "literary," even though everything in it was factual? To answer these questions is to grasp why Gulag towers over all other works of the Soviet period and, indeed, over all literature since the middle of the twentieth century.
Before Solzhenitsyn, Western intellectuals of course knew that the Soviet regime had been "repressive," but for the most part they imagined that all that had ended decades ago. So it was shocking when the book described how it had to be written secretly, with parts scattered so that not everything could be seized in a single raid. Solzhenitsyn offered an apology for the work's lack of polish: "I must explain that never once did this whole book . . . lie on the same desk at the same time!"

Kinda puts today's censorship programs in perspective.

What is the point of such cruelty? Why so many arbitrary arrests, and why so much energy spent on extracting unbelievable confessions that no one would ever see? Some have explained the system economically, as a source of slave labor, but Solzhenitsyn shows that the gigantic expense incurred by the state furnishing countless interrogators and guards, transport, watchtowers, and barbed wire ensured that the system never paid its way. What economic sense did it make to take a scientist with years of training and deport him to the far north to dig frozen earth and die soon of exhaustion and hunger? If one wanted to eliminate enemies, wouldn't it be easier just to shoot them all? And why arrest people who were completely loyal? One difference between the ussr and the Third Reich was that Germans who were neither Jews nor members of some other disfavored group, and who supported the regime, did not have to live in constant fear of arrest.
Soviet terror was an end in itself. Torture alone was not cruel enough, Solzhenitsyn points out. No, the goal was absolute dehumanization, reducing people to quivering masses of flesh who had forgotten who they were and who had lost the ability to feel normal emotions one by one until only anger was left. George Orwell understood this aspect of the regime as other Western observers did not. The new society, O'Brien explains to Winston Smith in Nineteen Eighty-Four, is

the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but more merciless as it refines itself. . . . Always, at every moment, there will be . . . the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face - - forever.
Why doesn't Solzhenitsyn's catalogue of horrors grow boring? You read three long volumes about boots trampling on human faces and your attention never flags. One reason is that Solzhenitsyn, like Edward Gibbon, is a master of ironic narration. At times, the book is unexpectedly funny. Along with The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, it stands as one of the great satires of world literature.
But it is the nature of Solzhenitsyn's "experiment in literary investigation" that best explains why this book remains riveting. Gulag is structured as what might be called a collective autobiography.

This is a long and remarkable piece.

Then Lee Edwards, Claremont Review of Books. Gulag Archipelago at 50
The masterpiece that helped topple the USSR.

Behind a paywall, but the opening is good:

American diplomat George F. Kennan considered Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956: An Experiment in Literary Investigation to be the "most powerful single indictment of a political regime ever to be leveled in modern times." In it, Solzhenitsyn exposed the vast underworld of forced labor camps stretching across the Soviet Union from Moscow to Magadan in Siberia. It's no exaggeration to say that the book was instrumental in the implosion of the Soviet Union and the collapse of the Soviet empire in 1991. It remains essential reading for our understanding of not just the murderous Soviet regime but of the good and evil that runs, as Solzhenitsyn wrote, "right through every human heart."
A Day in the Life
The history of the Gulag Archipelago begins in the closing months of World War II when a decorated Soviet captain of artillery, corresponding with a childhood friend, criticized Stalin for "betraying the cause of the Revolution." For "counter-revolutionary crimes," Captain Solzhenitsyn was sentenced in July 1945 . . .

"We need the King Charles portrait more than ever"
Alexander Poots, UnHerd

You can make up your own mind about these notes.

I wasn't really aware of the butterfly on the King's shoulder. Looks kinda like a Monarch - not your typical UK butterfly.

Maybe King Charles felt like this at the unveiling:

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Another article currently featured at the New Criterion website is:

The perversions of M. Foucault
by
Roger Kimball
March 1993

This is an old review of a book by a guy named Miller about Foucault, and I don't know why it has popped up for attention at this time. Maybe Foucault is receiving renewed academic attention or something.

Foucault, who died of AIDS in June 1984 at the age of fifty-seven, has long been a darling of the same super-chic academic crowd that fell for deconstruction, Jacques Derrida, and other aging French imports. But where the deconstructionists specialize in the fruity idea that language refers only to itself (il n’y a pas de hors texte, in Derrida’s now-famous phrase), Foucault’s focus was Power. He came bearing the bad news in bad prose that every institution, no matter how benign it seems, is “really” a scene of unspeakable domination and subjugation; that efforts at enlightened reform—of asylums, of prisons, of society at large—have been little more than alibis for extending state power; that human relationships are, underneath it all, deadly struggles for mastery; that truth itself is merely a coefficient of coercion; “Is it surprising,” Foucault asked in Surveiller et punir (English translation: Discipline and Punish, 1977), “that prisons resemble factories, schools, barracks, hospitals, which all resemble prisons?” Such “interrogations” were a terrific hit in the graduate seminar, of course. And Miller may well be right in claiming that by the time of his death Foucault was “perhaps the single most famous intellectual in the world” — famous, at least, in American universities, where hermetic arguments about sex and power are pursued with risible fecklessness by the hirsute and untidy. In all this, Foucault resembled his more talented rival and fellow left-wing activist, Jean-Paul Sartre, whose stunning career Foucault did everything he could to emulate, beginning with a stint in the French Communist Party in the early 1950s. He never quite managed it . .

The will to idolize can triumph over many obstacles.

There is a lot of disturbing discussion of sadomasochism in the review above - some connecting it to death - but nothing about pedophilia. Remember this video, where the first person feature in "Queer Theory Jeapardy" is Foucault - both the "Godfather of Queer Theory" and an advocate of abolishing "age of consent" laws down to infancy? Many student in this class did not want the connection between anarchy, queer theory and advocacy for pedophilia discussed. This topic seems more pertinent today than the sadomasochism discussion in 1993. But maybe there is a connection . . .

I'm sorta glad that I missed learning about all of those authors in school.

The reluctance of the students to hear negative information about Foucault in the video above is disturbing. Don't let people like this shut you up.

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Music

It's the weekend! In the Mood

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Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

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Last week's thread, May 25, It's Memorial Day Weekend!

Comments are closed so you won't ban yourself by trying to comment on a week-old thread. But don't try it anyway.

Posted by: K.T. at 11:09 AM

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1 Good morning KT

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 11:09 AM (fwDg9)

2 These last couple years really hitting the books on Russia. And mostly the Revolution and onwards.

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 11:16 AM (fwDg9)

3 Socialism is a waystation to communism.
V. Lenin

Posted by: Eromero at June 01, 2024 11:16 AM (o2ZRX)

4 Lenin had syphilis he caught from a french hooker while being a bad boy. Supposedly syphilis causes a brief spurt of mental activity and creativeness whereby the infected individual can achieve greatness in their particular field before the insanity creeps in.

Lenin The Syphilitic Mass Murderer is how he should be remembered.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 01, 2024 11:18 AM (R/m4+)

5 Anarchy, queers, and pedophilia. So, you're saying Foucault swung both ways?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 01, 2024 11:18 AM (0eaVi)

6 It is worth pausing to remember the hideous legacy of that ice-cold totalitarian. What we have in mind is not so much Lenin's butcher's bill as his more general modus operandi. Estimates of the number of people Lenin had tortured, maimed, and murdered vary, but are always well into the millions. But what may be just as creepy is his model of government.

It really says something about Stalin that people would say "Sure, Lenin was a genocidal monster, but at least he wasn't as bad as Stalin".

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2024 11:18 AM (xCA6C)

7 An Irish jailbreak ends when all of the fugitives are recaptured at the nearest pub.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 01, 2024 11:19 AM (dmXQN)

8 I'm reminded of the verse; "clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right... here I am stuck in the middle with you" (all).

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 01, 2024 11:20 AM (Q4IgG)

9 I've had Gulag Archipelago on an Amazon list for a long time but never purchased it.... and in recent years only one of the books has been available.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 01, 2024 11:20 AM (llON8)

10 The masterpiece that helped topple the USSR.

We could use one of those. Call it the Walter Archipelago, named for the wooden headed puppet fronting a cruel tyrannical regime.

Posted by: Ex GOP at June 01, 2024 11:20 AM (GpUII)

11 >>After their encounter, the philosopher is said to have proclaimed that the boy would grow into either a great man or a singular force of destruction. In the end, he became a little bit of both.

Star Lord.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2024 11:20 AM (LkLld)

12 The Bolsheviks are really the Devil's Decipiles. Just murder anyone they can.

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 11:20 AM (fwDg9)

13 Gulag Archipelago and all 3 books are available on line free

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 11:21 AM (fwDg9)

14 >>> 4 Lenin had syphilis he caught from a french hooker while being a bad boy. Supposedly syphilis causes a brief spurt of mental activity and creativeness whereby the infected individual can achieve greatness in their particular field before the insanity creeps in.

Lenin The Syphilitic Mass Murderer is how he should be remembered.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 01, 2024 11:18 AM (R/m4+)

I nominate this for the AoS Style Guide.

"Syphilitic Mass Murderer Vladimir Lenin"

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 01, 2024 11:22 AM (llON8)

15 The hq's gone Rooskie!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 01, 2024 11:22 AM (Ka3bZ)

16 Archimedes at June 01, 2024 11:18 AM

I think it may have been Morson in another piece who said that Lenin's lust for terror was greater than Stalin's - that he loved humankind in theory, but hated humans in reality.

The editors here are glad he died young.

Posted by: KT at June 01, 2024 11:23 AM (rrtZS)

17 Miller may well be right in claiming that by the time of his death Foucault was “perhaps the single most famous intellectual in the world” — famous, at least, in American universities, where hermetic arguments about sex and power are pursued with risible fecklessness by the hirsute and untidy. In all this, Foucault resembled his more talented rival and fellow left-wing activist, Jean-Paul Sartre, whose stunning career Foucault did everything he could to emulate

I intend to bring this up in the Book Thread, but now is also apropos. I read Paul Johnson's 40 year old book, Intellectuals, which is basically a compendium of biographies of many of the most famous "intellectuals", a title I think most of them don't really merit. The list includes Rousseau, Marx, Sartre, and others, almost all lefties. The common theme is that all of them were horrible people, who excused their execrable behavior by citing concern for "people" as opposed to individuals. In fact, they were all utter pigs, full of cruelty, avarice, and narcissism. Foucault fits right in. I recommend this book.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2024 11:24 AM (xCA6C)

18 Weighty post as always KT.

I read the Gulag Archapeligo in college and struggled through it. It was depressing…. I kept going until the end because I was told it was an important book. I had a similar experience with Allan Bloom’s Closing of the American Mind. I should go back and read both again; probably get more out of them now, years later…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 01, 2024 11:24 AM (xT8gx)

19 Hi, Skip!

Posted by: KT at June 01, 2024 11:24 AM (rrtZS)

20 I think it may have been Morson in another piece who said that Lenin's lust for terror was greater than Stalin's - that he loved humankind in theory, but hated humans in reality.

Nicely timed comment right in front of my #17.

The common theme is that all of them were horrible people, who excused their execrable behavior by citing concern for "people" as opposed to individuals.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2024 11:25 AM (xCA6C)

21 A commenter on a thread yesterday compared Trump to Alcibidias (I can’t even spell it)… so I went and read a summary of his life. Very interesting fellow but I see very few parallels with Trump

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 01, 2024 11:26 AM (xT8gx)

22 Lenin had a debilitating stroke, off my head around 1924 but lived some years after.

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 11:27 AM (fwDg9)

23 Willowed:

Mornin'
(sips coffee)

Yay! Vacation starts today. It's why I'm up this early. Got to force myself into daywalker mode. I'm leaving tomorrow for PA to visit family, fish, golf, and relax. Today, I prep the plants for me being gone for 2 weeks. Water spikes are useful for that.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at June 01, 2024 11:27 AM (sAmhv)

24 The best book I know about the postmodern leftists, and their roots, is Scruton's Fools, Frauds, and Firebrands.

When I was young (before Solzhenitsyn came out with Gulag, and for some time after) it was standard with the left to claim that Lenin was just fine. It was Stalin who "betrayed the Revolution." (Something they wouldn't admit until the mid 50s, mind you.) Even Animal Farm gives that impression.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 01, 2024 11:27 AM (1bNHn)

25 Jeopardy! is pretty woke...guy contestant on last nights show has a husband.

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2024 11:27 AM (AwYPR)

26 Lenin warned the Soviets not to put Stalin in positions of power. He had Stalin's number.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2024 11:28 AM (xCA6C)

27 Gulag Archipelago and all 3 books are available on line free
Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 11:21 AM (fwDg9)

Translation matters.

Sometimes free isn't so free.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 11:28 AM (f9D/y)

28 Lenin had a debilitating stroke, off my head around 1924 but lived some years after.

It's a little know fact that Edith Wilson moved to Russia in 1924 and tried to assume power.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2024 11:29 AM (xCA6C)

29 Lenin had a debilitating stroke, off my head around 1924 but lived some years after.
Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 11:27 AM (fwDg9)

We'll never know for sure, but there are some indicators Stalin was having him poisoned, and Lenin knew it toward the end, but couldn't communicate the fact.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 11:29 AM (f9D/y)

30 >>I read the Gulag Archapeligo in college and struggled through it. It was depressing

Still is. My high school had some sort of program with Boston College where aspiring teachers would come audit and do some guest teaching. My junior year my English class was audited by a guy from Boston College and his topic was The Gulag.

Humans seem to have a need to learn the same lessons over and over again.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2024 11:31 AM (LkLld)

31 It's a little know fact that Edith Wilson moved to Russia in 1924 and tried to assume power.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2024 11:29 AM (xCA6C)

(In Larry the cable guy voice): Now that’s funny right there, I don’t care who you are

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 01, 2024 11:32 AM (xT8gx)

32 I think I have it on my tablet, it's from the Alexander Solzhenitsyn estate.

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 11:32 AM (fwDg9)

33 The funniest thing about Alcibiades is that after he defected to the Spartan side, he got comfortable enough in his new milieu to screw the Spartan king's wife.

You gotta give the guy credit for his joie de vivre.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 01, 2024 11:34 AM (bo7UB)

34 "I passed my "can't you see how stupid this is?" limit this week. It's not just that stupid things are happening, it's that people are responding to them in such stupid ways."

---

One reason to have a Farcebook feed is to see how stupid people think. The various people I know, the ones Farcebook calls my "friends," I get to see how stupid people think and act.

One had a pic of John McCain "in heaven" laughing his head off.

Would it make any lick of sense to argue with this person? No, of course not, but yeah. I know where stupid is going, how it's thinking. For some values of "think."

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 11:34 AM (f9D/y)

35 The funniest thing about Alcibiades is that after he defected to the Spartan side, he got comfortable enough in his new milieu to screw the Spartan king's wife.

You gotta give the guy credit for his joie de vivre.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 01, 2024 11:34 AM (bo7UB)

Was the king's wife named Stormy?

See, just like Trump.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 11:35 AM (f9D/y)

36 https://tinyurl.com/mupb6w39
Gulag Archipelago, all 3 long version books

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 11:36 AM (fwDg9)

37 >>You gotta give the guy credit for his joie de vivre.

Here is America we call it his special purpose.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2024 11:36 AM (LkLld)

38 off to the garage for another cup...and a smoke

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2024 11:39 AM (AwYPR)

39 I think I have it on my tablet, it's from the Alexander Solzhenitsyn estate.
Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 11:32 AM (fwDg9)

Hopefully that means the translation is faithful. Still, it never hurts to look into who the translator was, and get a sense of their perspective.

Take for example, the Tolkien estate, as long as his son was managing it, one could be sure he was carefully monitoring what was being done with is father's works, but now that he's gone, the estate seems to be all about money grabs. I bet there are crappy translations and modifications, and works based on his work being sent around the world.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 11:39 AM (f9D/y)

40 Funny thing reading about Vyshinsky and the 1930s Show retrial is being a Bolshevik or a Lenin cronies didn't do anything for you to be charged with wrecking or a foreign spy. Reading all these murdering Communists being in a Kangaroo Courts and executed didn't bother me.

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 11:40 AM (fwDg9)

41 I take it it's from Alexander Solzhenitsyn's .org when I read them a couple years ago

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 11:41 AM (fwDg9)

42 Moscow, 1953. Stalin calls in Khrushchev.
“Niki, I’m dying. Don’t have much to leave you. Just three envelopes. Open them, one at a time, when you get into big trouble.”

A few years later, first crisis. Khrushchev opens envelope 1: “Blame everything on me. Uncle Joe.”

A few years later, a really big crisis. Opens envelope 2: “Blame everything on me. Again. Good luck, Uncle Joe.”

Third crisis. Opens envelope 3:

“Prepare three envelopes.”

Posted by: It's a classic at June 01, 2024 11:42 AM (dg+HA)

43 Funny thing reading about Vyshinsky and the 1930s Show retrial is being a Bolshevik or a Lenin cronies didn't do anything for you to be charged with wrecking or a foreign spy. Reading all these murdering Communists being in a Kangaroo Courts and executed didn't bother me.

Lavrenty Beria and Nikolai Yezhov say Hi!

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2024 11:43 AM (xCA6C)

44 I don't think rational discussion is possible with many leftists because they limit their information sources to such a degree that they are often legitimately completely ignorant of anything that contradicts their hand-fed beliefs. They simply have no clue.

Conservatives/right leaning people are constantly exposed to the same thing because that is the dominating narrative of news dissemination. However, they seek out and absorb counter-narratives and are exposed to suppressed information and see a much clearer picture because of it.

Debating each other is there for mostly a useless and maddening experience.

Posted by: SamIam at June 01, 2024 11:43 AM (oasF3)

45 Hopefully that means the translation is faithful. Still, it never hurts to look into who the translator was, and get a sense of their perspective.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 11:39 AM (f9D/y)

I have my own personal translator....it's kinda' funny how some things don't translate directly...how some languages "don't have a word for that".

Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2024 11:43 AM (AwYPR)

46 And today's (dark) laugh from the MSNBC news feed:

"Alvin Bragg (NYC DA) says about Trump being brought up on charges, "I was just doing my job."

Oh, dear was it racist to use "dark" in that context? Snicker

So, I guess while the thieves, murderers and robbers run rampant in NYC was on vacation enjoying the all you can eat buffets and low priced Margaritas?!!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 01, 2024 11:45 AM (XkYcA)

47 I read "The Gulag Archipelago" in high school. Then I read "A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich." By the time I was in college, I read "Cancer Ward" and the started the second volume of "The Gulag Archipelago." I gave up at that point -- it was too much misery. But since then I've also read books about life in Cambodia under Pol Pot, life in China during The Great Leap Forward and during the Cultural Revolution.

American kids entertaining communism need to read this stuff but lack the attention span. They're idiots.

Posted by: Someone Else at June 01, 2024 11:47 AM (IrqeV)

48 https://tinyurl.com/mupb6w39
Gulag Archipelago, all 3 long version books
Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 11:36 AM (fwDg9)

Ok, I went down the rabbit hole about as far as I'm going to this morning. Translator: Thomas P. Whitney.

"Worked for the CIA."

Well now...

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 11:48 AM (pwpAH)

49 Just got back from dropping off a house warming gift. Makers Mark. Also, prayers that Alvin Bragg gets at least disbarred and is seen in the diabetic dance troupe on the Ozempic commercials.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 01, 2024 11:49 AM (V5eKu)

50 'Are intellectual discussions possible in the public square now?'

With the left? Definitely not. My sampling from LinkedIn tells me they are all in on stabbing us and they couldn't be happier about it.
The only resolution I can see with such people is to give them a severe beating and then check to see if that wakes them up.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 11:51 AM (roH4R)

51 False humility doesn't look good on any of these malignant clowns involved in the Trump prosecution/persecution.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 01, 2024 11:52 AM (XkYcA)

52 >>Debating each other is there for mostly a useless and maddening experience.

Always worth listening to the words of Yuri Bezmenov when trying to understand why our children isn't learning good.

Another guy most people wrote off as a crank.

https://tinyurl.com/3feam96x

Posted by: JackStraw at June 01, 2024 11:52 AM (LkLld)

53 At the center of the totalitarian impulse is the belief that ultimately freedom belongs only to the state...

This.
And this is why the Founder's got it right.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 01, 2024 11:53 AM (W/lyH)

54 Debating each other is there for mostly a useless and maddening experience.
Posted by: SamIam at June 01, 2024 11:43 AM (oasF3)

Crowder has his whole "Change my mind" series, and this week he posted a vid where he's talking to some youngsters about the goings on right now. I didn't watch it, because I don't really like that sort of thing, but apparently he's a fan of trying to bring these alternate views to those, especially college age kids, and unlike say, a Ben Shapiro, doesn't try to dunk on them, but just give them something else to consider.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 11:53 AM (pM0Eq)

55 47
American kids entertaining communism need to read this stuff but lack the attention span. They're idiots.

Posted by: Someone Else at June 01, 2024 11:47 AM (IrqeV)

Propaganda in colleges and universities has turned many a child into a useful idiot. A useful idiot with a thin skin.
My BIL just texted me this morning an AP article that starts.."Embracing Donald Trump’s strategy of blaming the U.S. justice system after his historic guilty verdict"...Yeah he hates Trump, and even though he has a degree from XXX, doesn't seem to realize how damaged our justice system is...Same guy that during COVID said the VAX was voluntary as people were being fired from jobs for not taking an non-approved, experimental "vaccine"; his logic? "Hey, they had a choice to take it or not, and they chose losing their job". WTF, dude.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 11:54 AM (ynpvh)

56 I said read all 3 books and wasn't any sugar coating to me, that a CIA person could know Russian is no surprise to me, especially 20 years or more ago.
Sadly in high school then USAF wanted to learn Russian but never did. Would have helped me I think.

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 11:54 AM (fwDg9)

57 What's an informative book on the Cambodian red terror?

Posted by: Some guy in wisconson at June 01, 2024 11:55 AM (zUOHl)

58 Archimedes. is right.

Paul Johnson's book, Intellectuals, is highly informative.

Basically, weak nasty people try to hurt others to make them feel better or superior. Envy and resentment are a hell of a start to evil.

I have stated before that our urDNA gives many reactionary throwbacks to our time in small tribes. It does not work for organizations bigger than tribes, or even for today's tribes.

I am coming around to believing in evil, and the answer to that is a Judeo-Christian society with salvation as a goal. Certainly Muscular Christianity did wonders in Victorian England. Except for the outliers.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 01, 2024 11:56 AM (u82oZ)

59 Tastes like chicken.

Posted by: Pol Pot at June 01, 2024 11:57 AM (dg+HA)

60 Someone Else @47:
I followed pretty much the same path at the same time.
Found it handy to pull up a quote or two when dealing with the trendy lefties of the time.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 01, 2024 11:57 AM (W/lyH)

61 Some guy in wisconson

IDNK. But I heard that 40% of the Cambodian dead were supporters of Pol Pot.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 01, 2024 11:58 AM (u82oZ)

62 59
'Tastes like chicken.'

Chicken Pol.
Chicken Pol.
Chicken Pol Pot!

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 11:58 AM (roH4R)

63 Also, prayers that Alvin Bragg gets at least disbarred and is seen in the diabetic dance troupe on the Ozempic commercials.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 01, 2024 11:49 AM (V5eKu)

Probably also worth noting, initially Bragg wasn't willing to bring these charges against Trump.

He was got to. Just like everyone else these days, the actor on the stage is being directed. As is of course, the rotten judge.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 11:58 AM (ja4w0)

64 That same AP piece:
"She also posted the upside-down American flag that has come to symbolize the “Stop the Steal” movement Trump started with allies before the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol."

Um, no, an upside down flag is a symbol of distress, you f*king useful idiots and propagandists.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 11:59 AM (ynpvh)

65 Wait. You mean like we might have an enemy? Who came to steal, kill and destroy?

Posted by: John 10:10 at June 01, 2024 11:59 AM (dg+HA)

66
The last photo of Lenin. Har, har.

https://tinyurl.com/yup2mxjw

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 01, 2024 11:59 AM (MoZTd)

67 62 59
'Tastes like chicken.'

Chicken Pol.
Chicken Pol.
Chicken Pol Pot!

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 11:58 AM (roH4R)

A Pol Pot in every kitchen!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:00 PM (ynpvh)

68 "Alvin Bragg (NYC DA) says about Trump being brought up on charges, "I was just doing my job."

Today's version of "I vas just followink orders!"

Posted by: Diogenes at June 01, 2024 12:00 PM (W/lyH)

69 Reading not long ago Triumph Regained, the first thing the North Vietnamese did during Tet in Hue was round up government workers and execute them, even the janitor of a government building had his family wiped out.

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 12:00 PM (fwDg9)

70 Just got back from dropping off a house warming gift. Makers Mark. Also, prayers that Alvin Bragg gets at least disbarred and is seen in the diabetic dance troupe on the Ozempic commercials.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 01, 2024 11:49 AM (V5eKu)

The Sponge version of the add diddy is: I have type 2 diabetes ‘cause I’m fat as a cow 🎶

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 01, 2024 12:00 PM (EJ1D2)

71 61
'But I heard that 40% of the Cambodian dead were supporters of Pol Pot.'

The lesson I learn from the Killing Fields is don't let them take you alive.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 12:01 PM (roH4R)

72 Wasn't far off, thought 1924 and was 23.
Stalin might have ended similar

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 12:02 PM (fwDg9)

73 I perused some videos on YouBoob recently about the Khmer Rouge coming to power in 1975. Everyone blames President Nixon and the bombing and invasion and Lon Nol blah blah blah.

Not a word mentioned of the NVA sanctuaries and weapon depots in eastern Cambodia and the Red Chinamen being best pals with the Khmer Rouge.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 01, 2024 12:02 PM (R/m4+)

74 Celebrate Pride on youtube

NO

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 01, 2024 12:03 PM (ENQN6)

75 In one of his books, can't remember which, Solzhenitsyn recounts his favorite bargaining technique in the food markets:

"How much you want for that tubercular chicken, lady"?

heh

Posted by: noam sayen at June 01, 2024 12:03 PM (RsJmr)

76 My girlfriend roommate when I was in grad school was a Russophile extraordinaire. She ended up being a full prof in Slavic languages at Duke.

She was obsessed with Russian literature so I decided to read some so we would have something to talk about and she gave me A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich.

I got about halfway though it and told her it was the most depressing stuff I had ever read. And to this day I cannot even imagine cracking open any Russian lit.

I still think about what it would have been like having her around. She was super smart and arty as hell but she was just dark, dark, dark inside.

Posted by: pawn at June 01, 2024 12:03 PM (QB+5g)

77 With the left? Definitely not. My sampling from LinkedIn tells me they are all in on stabbing us and they couldn't be happier about it.
The only resolution I can see with such people is to give them a severe beating and then check to see if that wakes them up.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 11:51 AM (roH4R)

That's how I see it, with my Farcebook "friends."

Do I say something? As of this moment, no. I'm not interested in having that particular experience.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:04 PM (p2iSj)

78 Funny thing reading about Vyshinsky and the 1930s Show retrial is being a Bolshevik or a Lenin cronies didn't do anything for you to be charged with wrecking or a foreign spy. Reading all these murdering Communists being in a Kangaroo Courts and executed didn't bother me.

The Soviet joke in the 1930s was:

"The only thing more fatal than being a Communist is to be an important Communist."

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 01, 2024 12:04 PM (uxCna)

79 SamIam@44.

Concur. They simply have no clue.
Further they are so convinced of their own rightness that they cannot even agree to disagree. There can be no alternative opinion.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 01, 2024 12:04 PM (W/lyH)

80 Dr. Claw

I want side-boys when I shuffle off this mortal coil.

I have a vision of me in my Service Dress Blues jacket holding a Constitution in one hand and a flag in the other. I walk up the driveway to the Army/FBI/BLM anti-terrorism fire team, and get shot dead as a bitter ender. Then I wake up.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 01, 2024 12:04 PM (u82oZ)

81 Alvin Bragg (NYC DA) says about Trump being brought up on charges, "I was just doing my job.

Yeah, that statement reeks of "I know how I'll be remembered for this, and I don't like it."

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2024 12:04 PM (xCA6C)

82 74 Celebrate Pride on youtube

NO

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 01, 2024 12:03 PM (ENQN6)

I'm Christian Male Heterosexual. Maybe I should show my PRIDE as such next month?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:04 PM (ynpvh)

83 81 Alvin Bragg (NYC DA) says about Trump being brought up on charges, "I was just doing my job.

Yeah, that statement reeks of "I know how I'll be remembered for this, and I don't like it."

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2024 12:04 PM (xCA6C)

Well he was; his job was to get Trump BAMN. That's what Soros paid him to do.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:05 PM (ynpvh)

84 An Irish jailbreak ends when all of the fugitives are recaptured at the nearest pub.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 01, 2024 11:19 AM (dmXQN)

Phil Lynott wrote that verse, but left it out of the final cut. Still, a good song.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, with a drawer full of pieces of flair at June 01, 2024 12:06 PM (hZc6Q)

85 Cambodia :
Title: First they killed my father.

Riveting.

If I remember correctly, she talks about how they killed all the intellectuals, doctors included, and made teenagers doctors, with imaginably horrific results. Just for starters.

DEI, UCLA? Same concept of "equality" the Khmer Rouge subscribed to.

Posted by: Derak at June 01, 2024 12:06 PM (/vq7E)

86
Alvin Bragg (NYC DA) says about Trump being brought up on charges, "I was just doing my job.

__________

Thank heavens Gothamites can now walk the streets at night without the fear of being assaulted by bookkeeping mistakes.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 01, 2024 12:06 PM (MoZTd)

87 I got about halfway though it and told her it was the most depressing stuff I had ever read. And to this day I cannot even imagine cracking open any Russian lit.

The great Gary Saul Morson wrote a satirical book about Russian culture under a pseudonym, where he defined a happy ending in a Russian novel when the hero discovers the reason for his suffering.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 01, 2024 12:07 PM (uxCna)

88 I think there should be a market in protected firing stands, with thick steel to stop up to 12.7 mm fire.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 01, 2024 12:07 PM (u82oZ)

89 Just got back from dropping off a house warming gift. Makers Mark.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 01, 2024 12:00 PM (EJ1D2)

*checks front porch*
*nothing*

Did you get me address right?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 01, 2024 12:07 PM (W/lyH)

90 85 Cambodia :
Title: First they killed my father.

Riveting.

If I remember correctly, she talks about how they killed all the intellectuals, doctors included, and made teenagers doctors, with imaginably horrific results. Just for starters.

DEI, UCLA? Same concept of "equality" the Khmer Rouge subscribed to.

Posted by: Derak at June 01, 2024 12:06 PM (/vq7E)

If you wore glasses, you were killed. Imagine a Commie regime so brutal, the commie Viets went in there to put an end to it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:07 PM (ynpvh)

91 73 Second trip to Vietnam I wound up in Bien Hoa. Bien Hoa had a FANK compound, SF training Cambodians. Our work center was down by the air terminal, and a C123 had just taxied in. I went over to use the head, and there was a bunch of little guys squatting on the toilets, feet on the seat. Came out shaking my head, and one of the SF handlers just said "pretty bizarre ain't it?".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 01, 2024 12:07 PM (V5eKu)

92 86
Alvin Bragg (NYC DA) says about Trump being brought up on charges, "I was just doing my job.

__________

Thank heavens Gothamites can now walk the streets at night without the fear of being assaulted by bookkeeping mistakes.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 01, 2024 12:06 PM (MoZTd)

"Those papercuts are a bitch!"--Alvin Bragg

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:08 PM (ynpvh)

93 *She was super smart and arty as hell but she was just dark, dark, dark inside.*

Above all else, guard your heart, for from it flows the wellspring of life.

Posted by: Proverbs 4:23 at June 01, 2024 12:09 PM (dg+HA)

94 68 "Alvin Bragg (NYC DA) says about Trump being brought up on charges, "I was just doing my job."

Today's version of "I vas just followink orders!"
Posted by: Diogenes at June 01, 2024 12:00 PM (W/lyH)

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 01, 2024 12:09 PM (ENQN6)

95 The collapse of the Soviet Union began with an experiment in literary investigation. A three-volume sledgehammer that indicted communism with overwhelming intellectual force. I'd say the Russian equivalent of the Declaration of Independence.

A. Solzhenitsyn destroyed the rhetorical pillars propping up the totalitarian Party, and its publication, via samizdat, and later, smuggled copies from overseas, directly lead to the downfall of the Soviet state.

Posted by: mrp at June 01, 2024 12:09 PM (rj6Yv)

96 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxPahOMOTmw

Boeing test flight 15 mins

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 01, 2024 12:10 PM (ENQN6)

97 Communists don't like underlings able to overthrow them, Barky took Sundowner, Sundowner has the Ho
Stalin was out to eliminate anyone who questioned his power.
On who escaped and maybe just by living longer than Stalin was Vyshinsky, who was a Menshevik and a Polish aristocrat

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 12:10 PM (fwDg9)

98 73
'Not a word mentioned of the NVA sanctuaries and weapon depots in eastern Cambodia and the Red Chinamen being best pals with the Khmer Rouge.'

I usually see them blame Kissinger like they have a copy of the kill order in HK's handwriting.
They don't know a fucking thing, of course. They make up what they claim to know.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 12:10 PM (roH4R)

99 Robert Kraft goes for something other than literature when he wants a happy ending….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 01, 2024 12:11 PM (EJ1D2)

100 The last photo of Lenin. Har, har.

https://tinyurl.com/yup2mxjw
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 01, 2024 11:59 AM (MoZTd)

"Help help! They're poisoning me!! Can't you see it in my eyes?? I told you people not to give that Stalin fellow any real power. Oh, won't somebody help me, I'm a poor helpless cripple, all I ever wanted was to bring peace and harmony and prosperity to the people..."

Come on, Vlad, it's time for your tapioca feeding.

"Oh no! Not that!! Anything but that!!! I'm all alone in here... so alone....."

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:11 PM (81i8c)

101 97 Communists don't like underlings able to overthrow them, Barky took Sundowner, Sundowner has the Ho
Stalin was out to eliminate anyone who questioned his power.
On who escaped and maybe just by living longer than Stalin was Vyshinsky, who was a Menshevik and a Polish aristocrat

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 12:10 PM (fwDg9)

That's why the Commies running the show here don't want Americans armed. They like defenceless victims.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:11 PM (ynpvh)

102 I think Xi Van Fleets' new book might be especially insightful regarding her lived experience growing up during Mao's cultural Revolution.

She's seeing all the parallels in today's US and is frightened.

Posted by: Derak at June 01, 2024 12:12 PM (/vq7E)

103 The collapse of the Soviet Union began with an experiment in literary investigation. A three-volume sledgehammer that indicted communism with overwhelming intellectual force.

It is worth remembering this, because some are in despair about our country. You never know what's brewing that will take down even the most powerful regimes. What we do know is that it's a rotten regime, and its days are numbered.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2024 12:12 PM (xCA6C)

104 Thanks for the thread KT, lots of things to think about.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 01, 2024 12:12 PM (Ricu/)

105 mrp

Can J.J write that book for America, or will ~~Trump~~ Melania have to write it?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 01, 2024 12:12 PM (u82oZ)

106 100 The last photo of Lenin. Har, har.

https://tinyurl.com/yup2mxjw
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 01, 2024 11:59 AM (MoZTd)

"Help help! They're poisoning me!! Can't you see it in my eyes?? I told you people not to give that Stalin fellow any real power. Oh, won't somebody help me, I'm a poor helpless cripple, all I ever wanted was to bring peace and harmony and prosperity to the people..."

Come on, Vlad, it's time for your tapioca feeding.

"Oh no! Not that!! Anything but that!!! I'm all alone in here... so alone....."

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:11 PM (81i8c)

Given he was mute at that time...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:13 PM (ynpvh)

107 ‘Hey, who stuck this pickaxe in my head?’
- L. Trotsky

Posted by: Eromero at June 01, 2024 12:13 PM (o2ZRX)

108 77
'Do I say something?'

I occasionally do. They aren't my friends so I let it rip. They're basically carbon copies of Paul banned.
After a while, though, I feel like I am just barking back at a dog and stop.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 12:13 PM (roH4R)

109 My favorite Russian story is when some Cosmonauts went off course during a landing and landed on a frozen lake. The capsule melted through the ice and sank into the lake.

Rescuers finally found the parachute and the hole but decided it was too late to do anything because they were probably dead so they went out and got drunk.

The next day they end up pulling the capsule up and found the Cosmonauts inside were alive. The one Cosmonaut asked why it took so long to rescue them and was told "We thought you were dead."

That pretty much sums up the Russian worldview to me.

Posted by: pawn at June 01, 2024 12:13 PM (QB+5g)

110 100 Vlad should have had a bell like Hector Salamanca in Breaking Bad. Ding ding, ding ding.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 01, 2024 12:13 PM (V5eKu)

111 "Oh no! Not that!! Anything but that!!! I'm all alone in here... so alone....."

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:11 PM (81i8c)

Given he was mute at that time...

Hah, he vas also moot!

Posted by: Stalin at June 01, 2024 12:14 PM (xCA6C)

112
On who escaped and maybe just by living longer than Stalin was Vyshinsky, who was a Menshevik and a Polish aristocrat
Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 12:10 PM (fwDg9)

____________

It may be a superficial observation, but the capricious randomness of the Great Terror is amazing. Old Bolsheviks are mown down and Vyshinsky survives.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 01, 2024 12:14 PM (MoZTd)

113 "Alvin Bragg (NYC DA) says about Trump being brought up on charges, "I was just doing my job."

Today's version of "I vas just followink orders!"
Posted by: Diogenes at June 01, 2024 12:00 PM (W/lyH)

As we know, so many people in these positions are controlled through blackmail.

I have the feeling Bragg is controlled by bribery: All the pudding he can eat.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:14 PM (81i8c)

114 It is worth remembering this, because some are in despair about our country. You never know what's brewing that will take down even the most powerful regimes. What we do know is that it's a rotten regime, and its days are numbered.

If the East Germans could overthrow their corrupt, dictatorial regime, so can we.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 01, 2024 12:14 PM (uxCna)

115 They don't know a fucking thing, of course. They make up what they claim to know.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 12:10 PM (roH4R)

Yup.
If they don't "know" it, they invent it. Afterall, to the dems/commies, the end justifies the means.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 01, 2024 12:14 PM (W/lyH)

116 Jeopardy! is pretty woke...guy contestant on last nights show has a husband.
Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2024 11:27 AM (AwYPR)

Somebody needs to ask him: "If you think you know so much, why are you married...to another guy?"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 01, 2024 12:15 PM (2iPee)

117 Old Bolsheviks are mown down and Vyshinsky survives.

He was useful.

Posted by: Zombie Joseph Stalin! at June 01, 2024 12:15 PM (uxCna)

118 Vyshilinsky was a crony, did anything Stalin wanted, and must have been a very bright person according to author as he knew what Stalin wanted without much direction.

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 12:16 PM (fwDg9)

119 80
'I walk up the driveway to the Army/FBI/BLM anti-terrorism fire team'

In my dreams, I have a dummy speaker rigged in my house to make them think I'm there and then hide outside their perimeter sniping them. Leave it to an engineer to complicate things. It ends the same as yours though.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 12:16 PM (roH4R)

120 We'll never know for sure, but there are some indicators Stalin was having him poisoned, and Lenin knew it toward the end, but couldn't communicate the fact.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 11:29 AM (f9D/y)

Meh! It was just an advance dose of the preservatives used to keep him "fresh" in the mausoleum in Red Square.

Posted by: Soviet Doctors at June 01, 2024 12:17 PM (2iPee)

121 Meh! It was just an advance dose of the preservatives used to keep him "fresh" in the mausoleum in Red Square.

They should have just immersed him in Summer's Eve.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2024 12:18 PM (xCA6C)

122 10 min to launch.

Astronauts both sitting with 2 inch thick, 3-ring binders in their laps.

The instruction manual.

Posted by: pawn at June 01, 2024 12:18 PM (QB+5g)

123 I got about halfway though it and told her it was the most depressing stuff I had ever read. And to this day I cannot even imagine cracking open any Russian lit.

I still think about what it would have been like having her around. She was super smart and arty as hell but she was just dark, dark, dark inside.
Posted by: pawn at June 01, 2024 12:03 PM (QB+5g)

A lot of it is very dark, but some of it spins the yarn, taking its time to establish a full and deep understanding, and then manages to take a turn toward lightness and joy... it's so disarming at times.

Dostoevsky in particular does this magnificently.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:19 PM (81i8c)

124
Solzhenitsyn has written on the need for Ukraine and Russia to reunite but I don't know that it's ever been published in English. It was after he left the USA and returned to Russia. Putin was a fan of Solzhenitsyn's writings.

Putin was trying to break off sections of Ukraine amendable to returning to Russia through voting and it was in an endless loop of negotiations until the Retard in Chief broke off those negotiations and send Vice Retard to Ukraine to talk up NATO membership, which just so happened to be Putin's line in the sand.

The rest is history.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at June 01, 2024 12:19 PM (RKVpM)

125 A book about Russia that gave me a lot to think about is Workers' Paradise Lost: Fifty Years of Soviet Communism: A Balance Sheet by Eugene Lyons.

His experience from the first US journalist to interview Stalin and his time spent in the Soviet Union led him to be very anti-Communist. George Orwell was influenced by him.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 01, 2024 12:19 PM (u82oZ)

126 Tvildo seems trollish. Using that same logic:
Something like 95% of all serial killers are white males!
"And then, FOR NO REASON AT ALL, BLM-"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:19 PM (ynpvh)

127 This is the wrong place to mention this, but I need to get on with my life.

Check out Paul Johnson's "Modern Times." It's a history from the 1920s to 1990s, and the first 12 pages neatly summarizes the revolution that occurred in the 1910s, when Einstein disrupted Newtonian physics, Marx gained traction as an alternative religion, and Freud fucked up psychology (and created a religion of his own).

Because that's what they are. If you can't debate facts, if you cast out rivals as apostates, and change your theories to suit new facts, you may be running a religion.

Brilliant book.

Posted by: Moses' Rosy Toes at June 01, 2024 12:20 PM (XB4me)

128 80 Dr. Claw

I want side-boys when I shuffle off this mortal coil.

I have a vision of me in my Service Dress Blues jacket holding a Constitution in one hand and a flag in the other. I walk up the driveway to the Army/FBI/BLM anti-terrorism fire team, and get shot dead as a bitter ender. Then I wake up.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 01, 2024 12:04 PM (u82oZ
Just what I expected. Bravo!

Posted by: Eromero at June 01, 2024 12:20 PM (o2ZRX)

129 Yessir, I want to fly into space on this quality Boeing product. And why do we have two rolls of duct tape?

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 01, 2024 12:20 PM (V5eKu)

130
A book about Russia that gave me a lot to think about is Workers' Paradise Lost: Fifty Years of Soviet Communism: A Balance Sheet by Eugene Lyons.

__________

Sitting on my Russia shelf in the Command Center. First read excerpts in Reader's Digest.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 01, 2024 12:21 PM (MoZTd)

131
Apropos of nothing...

I just noticed that "Godzilla Minus One"

is now streaming on Netflix. So-

If you haven't seen GMO or wish to see it again-

You can now do it for "free".

Enjoy!!!

Posted by: naturalfake at June 01, 2024 12:21 PM (eDfFs)

132 In my dreams, I have a dummy speaker rigged in my house to make them think I'm there and then hide outside their perimeter sniping them. Leave it to an engineer to complicate things. It ends the same as yours though.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 12:16 PM (roH4R)

Wait a minute!
I saw this movie. Home Alone!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 01, 2024 12:21 PM (W/lyH)

133 Given he was mute at that time...

Hah, he vas also moot!
Posted by: Stalin

"MOOPS !"

Posted by: JT at June 01, 2024 12:21 PM (T4tVD)

134 Test pilots on a Boeing test flight are a special kind of brave.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 01, 2024 12:21 PM (O7YUW)

135 I have a sister-in-law who survived the killing fields in Cambodia. She was a young child at the time… probably around 6 or 7. The family was separated into separate camps, although she was with her older sister. In what could’ve only been a miracle from God, one night both her mother and father (in separate camps) decided to attempt escape and actually found each other in the jungle and somehow found their 2 daughters…. They somehow got out of the country to the US but lost a son and other family members.

These people LOVE the United States (they’re quite elderly now) and they will tell you they see shades of the Khmer Rouge in our lefties in recent years…. Obviously our lefties haven’t dialed it up to 11 yet but they have the same mentality

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 01, 2024 12:22 PM (EJ1D2)

136 >>Jeopardy! is pretty woke...guy contestant on last nights show has a husband.
Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2024 11:27 AM

-----------------------

It's been a total pervert-fest ever since Trebek passed.

Posted by: Bigsmith at June 01, 2024 12:22 PM (dOSIw)

137 Both Naval Aviators.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 01, 2024 12:22 PM (V5eKu)

138 122
'They should have just immersed him in Summer's Eve.
'

'Comrade Lenin always smells so fresh.'

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 12:22 PM (roH4R)

139
The editors here are glad he died young.
Posted by: KT

If only his strokes had occurred at a much, much, much, younger age.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 01, 2024 12:22 PM (79Q0G)

140 Posted by: tevildo at June 01, 2024 12:16 PM (2nmVu)

Really? Then they're were probably as devotedly Jewish as most of the malignant clowns in Congress/s

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 01, 2024 12:23 PM (XkYcA)

141
Because that's what they are. If you can't debate facts, if you cast out rivals as apostates, and change your theories to suit new facts, you may be running a religion.

__________

"Why should we bother to reply to Kautsky? He would reply to us, and we would have to reply to his reply. There’s no end to that. It will be quite enough for us to announce that Kautsky is a traitor to the working class, and everyone will understand everything." - V. I. Lenin

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 01, 2024 12:23 PM (MoZTd)

142 Jeopardy! is pretty woke...guy contestant on last nights show has a husband.
Posted by: BignJames at June 01, 2024 11:27 AM (AwYPR)

Somebody needs to ask him: "If you think you know so much, why are you married...to another guy?"
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 01, 2024 12:15 PM (2iPee)

Mebbe a pair of Bewbies skeered him when he was little.

Posted by: JT at June 01, 2024 12:23 PM (T4tVD)

143 If you wore glasses, you were killed. Imagine a Commie regime so brutal, the commie Viets went in there to put an end to it.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:07 PM (ynpvh)

Many look at Pot as the pound for pound most evil 20th century monster.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:23 PM (81i8c)

144 They are doing the "Go Bobs" now.

Resuming count.

Getting a sermon from the capsule.

Posted by: pawn at June 01, 2024 12:24 PM (QB+5g)

145 Moses' Rosy Toes

Got both of those Johnson books on my showcase book holders.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 01, 2024 12:24 PM (u82oZ)

146 128
'Brilliant book.'

I agree.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 12:25 PM (roH4R)

147 Glenn Miller was awesome. I love swing!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 01, 2024 12:25 PM (W/lyH)

148 Late to the party

"Are intellectual discussions possible in the public square now?"

NO

Several years or more ago, the Leftists stopped using one of their standard lines, "We need a national conversation about X."

That always meant, We Leftists are talking and deciding, you lowlife non-Leftitsts are listening and obeying." As with many Leftist ops, the mask has dropped on this trope.

Posted by: Gref at June 01, 2024 12:26 PM (5fDan)

149
Many look at Pot as the pound for pound most evil 20th century monster.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:23 PM (81i8c)

__________

Spent some years being educated in Paris. Explains a lot.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 01, 2024 12:26 PM (MoZTd)

150 133
'I saw this movie. Home Alone!'

'Keep the change, you filthy beast!'

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 12:26 PM (roH4R)

151 144 the Commie Viets went in to put an end to it. The SS, yeah, the fucking SS, actually brought members of the Einsatzgruppen up on brutality charges. Comes a time when even the most heinous realize their game has been bested.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 01, 2024 12:27 PM (V5eKu)

152 Starliner is in a hold for ??? issue.

Posted by: Gref at June 01, 2024 12:27 PM (5fDan)

153 5 Anarchy, queers, and pedophilia. So, you're saying Foucault swung both ways?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 01, 2024 11:18 AM (0eaVi)

Wow, I'm surprised no one has said it yet but well done.

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at June 01, 2024 12:29 PM (lg881)

154 I don't think there's much to be gained by analyzing the mindset of leftists. To me, it's more or less academic/mental masturbation. We all know what their endgame is.

I'd spend more time on ways to defeat that.

YMMV

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 01, 2024 12:29 PM (Q4IgG)

155 148 Glenn Miller was awesome. I love swing!

You're welcome.

Posted by: The Patriarchy at June 01, 2024 12:29 PM (dg+HA)

156 I just read that GOPussy senators pledge to be ruthless in opposing Biden.

Should we be reassured?

For once, I suspect a sarc tag would be in order.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 01, 2024 12:29 PM (1bNHn)

157 Glenn Miller smooooth
Benny Goodman swing

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 12:30 PM (YdEcD)

158 I was on one of the threads asking about how to donate directly to Trump without the uniparty grifters getting any cut. I hate those uniparty turds with the heat of a trillion suns.

I was not convinced the websites offered by fellow morons would allow the donations to 100% go to Trump since they redirect to winred.

After further research I found this:
https://tinyurl.com/mpm3nyzr

For those of you who are link adverse it says "The DonaldJTrump.com website takes you directly to a WinRed donation page.

WinRed itself appears to be tied to Trump National Committee JFC, Inc., which is a joint fundraising committee composed of and authorized by Donald J. Trump for President 2024, Inc. and the Republican National Committee.

And per the fine print, they tell you that donations are split up as follows:

1. 90% to DJTFP, which will designate the funds first to its primary election account, then to its general election account, and finally to its recount account, up to a maximum of $3,300 ($5,000) per election; and

2. 10% to the RNC, up to a maximum of $413,000 ($150,000) per year."

10% goes to the uniparty even if you mail in a check. I guess thats as good as it gets so I donated.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 01, 2024 12:30 PM (cCxiu)

159 mrp

Can J.J write that book for America, or will Trump Melania have to write it?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 01, 2024 12:12 PM (u82oZ)

An American experiment in literary investigation involving the miscreants who presume to be our masters will not take place under the conditions Solzhenitsyn was placed. A. S. was literally and outcast - thrown out of the Union of Soviet Writers Union, convicted of crimes against the State, forced to depend on others for survival, his family at risk. His first wife divorced him. Scurrying from one place to another to write his monumental work, depending on his fellow dissidents to secretly hide his work at enormous risk to their lives and the lives of their families.

I read all three volumes when I was in school. IIRC, they came out in a series. At the time, I was in business major with a minor in Russian and Soviet studies. The Cold War was a serious matter then and the "Gulag" was like a beam of hope that the world might survive the conflict. The indictment comes first, followed by the resolution of Truth to facts.

Posted by: mrp at June 01, 2024 12:30 PM (rj6Yv)

160 ...and Freud fucked up psychology (and created a religion of his own).

Because that's what they are. If you can't debate facts, if you cast out rivals as apostates, and change your theories to suit new facts, you may be running a religion.

Brilliant book.
Posted by: Moses' Rosy Toes at June 01, 2024 12:20 PM (XB4me)

I read that book many years ago, and should probably revisit it. The thing about Freud though, his early work he was identifying over and over again, the correlation between childhood trauma and subsequent adult maladies. He particularly noted the prevalence of incest for these adults who were damaged, seemingly beyond repair, and it was at that point all his colleagues threatened to throw him out of the medical industrial complex.

So he changed his bent. And much of his subsequent work has been subjected to ridicule, and being overly focused on neurotics who are obsessed with their mothers.

Conformity is the reason he became a fraud.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:30 PM (GtZ7X)

161 Posted by: tevildo at June 01, 2024 12:16 PM (2nmVu)

Stormfag at 118

Posted by: Soviet Doctors at June 01, 2024 12:31 PM (MRBis)

162 I'm shocked, SHOCKED to see that NASA scrubbed the Starliner launch yet again

Posted by: weew at June 01, 2024 12:31 PM (/uwTS)

163 Launch scrubbed. No one know why. Launch sequencer stopped the count. Butch looks pissed.

Posted by: pawn at June 01, 2024 12:32 PM (QB+5g)

164 *GOPussy senators pledge to be ruthless in opposing Biden.*

No adjective is off the table. We may even put our hands on our hips and stomp one of our feet.

Posted by: GOPussies at June 01, 2024 12:32 PM (dg+HA)

165 156 Back in the 60s, our local AM station was still playing a lot of big band. I remember Dad, the baker, and a has been musician saying "Glenn Miller and the boys could jam" with that faint Finnish accent.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 01, 2024 12:33 PM (V5eKu)

166 LOL

Once again, NASA can't launch a rocket.
Launch scrubbed with less than 4 minutes to go.

They originally scheduled this launch in 2017.
So many delays.

And SpaceX launches every 3-4 days, andthe rookies seem to be having no issues.

Fucking gubmint.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 01, 2024 12:33 PM (ufFY8)

167 Tides of War by Steven Pressfield is a great Historic fiction book on Alcibiades and the Peloponnesian War. I’ve always said I see a bit of Alcibiades in Trump.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2024 12:33 PM (SHMXB)

168 Starliner launch scrubbed for today, next launch attempt is TBD.

Posted by: Gref at June 01, 2024 12:33 PM (5fDan)

169 Starliner scrubbed.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 01, 2024 12:33 PM (u82oZ)

170 So if you scrub a launch does that make it cleaner?

Posted by: Not a rocket expert at June 01, 2024 12:35 PM (dg+HA)

171 Benny Goodman playing Mozart's clarinet concerto. Look it up, it's in the field manual.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 01, 2024 12:35 PM (V5eKu)

172 150
Many look at Pot as the pound for pound most evil 20th century monster.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:23 PM (81i8c)
------------------------

The *judges that permitted it and the border patrol etc that didn't stop it.

*same judges that permitted pornography and homosexuality
- lawyers that brought those cases should have been reprimanded for bringing them into the court room- laxity is a thing

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 12:35 PM (YdEcD)

173 159
...
10% goes to the uniparty even if you mail in a check. I guess thats as good as it gets so I donated.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 01, 2024 12:30 PM (cCxiu)

Just like the big guy.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:35 PM (ynpvh)

174 Tomorrow at noon, June 5th or June 6th next possible days to launch.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 01, 2024 12:36 PM (ufFY8)

175 NASA hasn't has the Right Stuff for some time now. The best they can offer now is a museum showcasing their better days.

Posted by: weew at June 01, 2024 12:37 PM (/uwTS)

176 Starliner Scrub >> Starcruiser Hotel

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 01, 2024 12:37 PM (ufFY8)

177 Jeopardy! is pretty woke...guy contestant on last nights show has a husband.
Posted by: BignJames

There is an animated series on Paramount based on the game Ark. I thought that was a pretty cool game so I began to watch. Our heroine (of course) is a lesbo with a wife. Put a chick in it, make her gay, and lame! So even a survival amongst the dinosaurs show must be perverted up. At least (so far) there are no queer dinosaurs.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at June 01, 2024 12:37 PM (L/fGl)

178 171 So if you scrub a launch does that make it cleaner?

You're soaking in it.

Posted by: Madge at June 01, 2024 12:37 PM (dg+HA)

179 I just read that GOPussy senators pledge to be ruthless in opposing Biden.

Should we be reassured?

For once, I suspect a sarc tag would be in order.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 01, 2024 12:29 PM (1bNHn)

Yeah, I saw the McConnell quote about that yesterday: "Now we're going to oppose the Biden agenda."

NOW?? Now you're going to oppose it??? Where have you assholes been for the past 3 1/2 years?????

Nevermind, I already know.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:37 PM (5BSKN)

180 171 So if you scrub a launch does that make it cleaner?

Posted by: Not a rocket expert at June 01, 2024 12:35 PM (dg+HA)

Depends where you scrub it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:37 PM (ynpvh)

181 #160

Sorry about the grammatical errors. When I type about intellectual things, I rarely have the patience to proofread.

Posted by: mrp at June 01, 2024 12:37 PM (rj6Yv)

182 > I'm shocked, SHOCKED to see that NASA scrubbed the Starliner launch yet again
-----------
I speculate the program was always a grift and it was never intended to carry passengers. It will continue to grift for another couple years, then be canceled.

At this point, you'd have to have a death wish to climb in that thing.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 01, 2024 12:37 PM (Q4IgG)

183 164 Launch scrubbed. No one know why. Launch sequencer stopped the count. Butch looks pissed.

Posted by: pawn at June 01, 2024 12:32 PM (QB+5g)

Deservedly so. Had Starliner not been delayed for years, he'd have flown this mission and one or two additional flights to ISS on a Dragon or Soyuz by now. He'd probably been commander of ISS on one of those stays on ISS.

Posted by: Gref at June 01, 2024 12:37 PM (5fDan)

184 Apparently, after the Trump court decision on Thursday, the number of searches for "donate to trump" was larger that the number of searches for "boobs" for some period of time

Posted by: SMOD at June 01, 2024 12:38 PM (GITLP)

185 175 Tomorrow at noon, June 5th or June 6th next possible days to launch.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 01, 2024 12:36 PM (ufFY8
Pappy Eromero was waiting to step off on the beach with 29th Inf Div early on 06Jun44.

Posted by: Eromero at June 01, 2024 12:38 PM (o2ZRX)

186 Agenda Free TV guy said the computer made the hold.

I blame AI.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 01, 2024 12:38 PM (ufFY8)

187 Alcibiades has long reminded me of a much more competent and intelligent Bill Clinton. He was a very talented general, certainly - he also slept with (or at least tried) the wives of all of his friends and allies at any given time. Worst - or maybe most telling - of all, in the middle of the greatest war of his time, he switched sides repeatedly, never staying on any one side for too long.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 01, 2024 12:39 PM (i9ffA)

188 I’ve always said I see a bit of Alcibiades in Trump.
Posted by: polynikes

I've always seen more BJ Clinton.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at June 01, 2024 12:39 PM (L/fGl)

189 No adjective is off the table. We may even put our hands on our hips and stomp one of our feet.
Posted by: GOPussies at June 01, 2024 12:32 PM (dg+HA)

But they will stomp with their left feet so as to signal they're not really serious.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 01, 2024 12:39 PM (W/lyH)

190 170 Starliner scrubbed.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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Starliner, it is to laugh. Boeing named that little capsule a 'liner' bringing to mind Freightliner or Luxury Liner or the great Streamliners of the past. But they can't even build an airplane that keeps its windows intact.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 12:39 PM (YdEcD)

191 The best they can offer now is a museum showcasing their better days.
Posted by: weew

Through a dark-antimale filter of how the women and pretend-women did all the work.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 01, 2024 12:39 PM (79Q0G)

192 Gref,

You were NASA at Johnson right?

Posted by: pawn at June 01, 2024 12:40 PM (QB+5g)

193
4 Lenin had syphilis he caught from a french hooker while being a bad boy. Supposedly syphilis causes a brief spurt of mental activity and creativeness whereby the infected individual can achieve greatness in their particular field before the insanity creeps in.

Lenin The Syphilitic Mass Murderer is how he should be remembered.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 01, 2024 11:18 AM (R/m4+)

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A cure had been developed -- Salvarsan -- 1910. I assume there is some reason Lenin either didn't get it, or that it didn't work.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 01, 2024 12:40 PM (t1fZA)

194 172 150
Many look at Pot as the pound for pound most evil 20th century monster.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:23 PM (81i8c)
------------------------

The *judges that permitted it and the border patrol etc that didn't stop it.

*same judges that permitted pornography and homosexuality
- lawyers that brought those cases should have been reprimanded for bringing them into the court room- laxity is a thing

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 12:35 PM (YdEcD)

Quite a group on the left were SUPPORTIVE of Pol Pot and dismissive of the stories coming out of his brutality and his attrocities.
"He's a commie; he can't be bad!"
Or as was said in the Simpsons:
https://youtu.be/gaXigSu72A4

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:40 PM (ynpvh)

195 Posted by: Tom Servo at June 01, 2024 12:39 PM (i9ffA)

188 I’ve always said I see a bit of Alcibiades in Trump.
Posted by: polynikes

I've always seen more BJ Clinton.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at June 01, 2024 12:39 PM (L/fGl)

Bill Clinton never switched sides .

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2024 12:41 PM (SHMXB)

196 Glad I dumped my Boeing stock a couple months ago.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 01, 2024 12:41 PM (ufFY8)

197 175 NASA hasn't has the Right Stuff for some time now. The best they can offer now is a museum showcasing their better days.

Posted by: weew at June 01, 2024 12:37 PM (/uwTS)

Do they at least have the "good stuff", man?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:41 PM (ynpvh)

198 175 NASA hasn't has the Right Stuff for some time now. The best they can offer now is a museum showcasing their better days.

Posted by: weew at June 01, 2024 12:37 PM (/uwTS)

This is a Boeing mess, top to bottom. Starliner is Boeing, Atlas is ULA, a partnership of Boeing and LockMart.

Posted by: Gref at June 01, 2024 12:41 PM (5fDan)

199 Look at the error code, dipshits.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 01, 2024 12:41 PM (ufFY8)

200 171 Benny Goodman playing Mozart's clarinet concerto. Look it up, it's in the field manual.
Posted by: bill in arkansas,
------------------------------

Found it.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 12:42 PM (YdEcD)

201 177 Jeopardy! is pretty woke...guy contestant on last nights show has a husband.
Posted by: BignJames

There is an animated series on Paramount based on the game Ark. I thought that was a pretty cool game so I began to watch. Our heroine (of course) is a lesbo with a wife. Put a chick in it, make her gay, and lame! So even a survival amongst the dinosaurs show must be perverted up. At least (so far) there are no queer dinosaurs.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at June 01, 2024 12:37 PM (L/fGl)

https://youtu.be/gtx0QV4-VxY

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:42 PM (ynpvh)

202 "being the egress process"

LOL.

tech talk.

Will take an hour to get off the craft.
Like any debating at an airport, except no TSA.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 01, 2024 12:42 PM (ufFY8)

203 A cure had been developed -- Salvarsan -- 1910. I assume there is some reason Lenin either didn't get it, or that it didn't work.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 01, 2024 12:40 PM (t1fZA)

He had been enrolled into the Tuskegee experiment.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:42 PM (5BSKN)

204 192 Gref,

You were NASA at Johnson right?

Posted by: pawn at June 01, 2024 12:40 PM (QB+5g)

Yes. Some of the folks I worked with were in the views of the Starliner MCC at JSC.

Posted by: Gref at June 01, 2024 12:43 PM (5fDan)

205 Deboarding.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 01, 2024 12:43 PM (ufFY8)

206 It really says something about Stalin that people would say "Sure, Lenin was a genocidal monster, but at least he wasn't as bad as Stalin".

The Gerrmans were too clever by half when they shipped the bastard to Russia. Should have given the fucker the Rosa Luxemburg treatment.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 01, 2024 12:44 PM (Q0kLU)

207 Launch scrubbed. What like with a cloth? - Hillary's greatest hits

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 01, 2024 12:44 PM (8N0oa)

208 Off, doc-sock.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 01, 2024 12:45 PM (MRBis)

209 Paris was a cesspool of venereal disease in the 19th century. Almost every famous artist had syphilis or another venereal disease.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2024 12:45 PM (SHMXB)

210 189 The GOP is a spent force, like the Democrats. The old playbooks and paradigms went obsolete in 2016.

Now is the season for the normies and liberals who can still be reached to wake up. If the Trump show trial and verdict won't shake them, nothing will.

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 01, 2024 12:46 PM (qSTwn)

211 193
4 Lenin had syphilis he caught from a french hooker while being a bad boy. Supposedly syphilis causes a brief spurt of mental activity and creativeness whereby the infected individual can achieve greatness in their particular field before the insanity creeps in.

Lenin The Syphilitic Mass Murderer is how he should be remembered.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 01, 2024 11:18 AM (R/m4+)

-----

A cure had been developed -- Salvarsan -- 1910. I assume there is some reason Lenin either didn't get it, or that it didn't work.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 01, 2024 12:40 PM (t1fZA)

Mercury treatments were more fun?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:46 PM (ynpvh)

212 A cure had been developed -- Salvarsan -- 1910. I assume there is some reason Lenin either didn't get it, or that it didn't work.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug

Or he had infected someone else who he kept diddling.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 01, 2024 12:46 PM (79Q0G)

213 "Are intellectual discussions possible in the public square now?"

No. But, also not for years.

Arguing with a leftist always come down to two things-

1) "You're a racist!".
No matter the topic, even it it's an argument about your preference for mangos over peaches.
That's their kill shot. That's their mike drop. No discussion needed after you've been placed in the "racist" box.

2) "You got that from ( )."

Rush Limbaugh(RIP), FOX, talk radio, etc etc.
Unless your info or conclusions came from a Certified Double Plus Good source like NPR, CNN, ABC
Racist!!!!111111!!!!! and so could be ignored and you unpersoned.

Can't argue with a shut mind.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 01, 2024 12:47 PM (eDfFs)

214

It's my soap and my rocket and I can scrub it as fast as I want to...

Posted by: ADM Scott at June 01, 2024 12:47 PM (DWmJG)

215 I imagine Jeff is on the phone with Tory right now trying to low ball him.

I know this is crazy but what if Boeing just walked away from this.

They are running out of operational cash and the FAA just throttled their cash flow big time.

Posted by: pawn at June 01, 2024 12:47 PM (QB+5g)

216 Launch scrubbed. What like with a cloth? - Hillary's greatest hits
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 01, 2024 12:44 PM (8N0oa)

Hillory never had a lawyer write anything in a ledger about said scrubbing.

If you say she did, there's a $500 million lawsuit waiting for you in a New York "court."

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:48 PM (5BSKN)

217 Having a rational discussion with a Leftist is no different than a doctor trying to have a rational discussion with an asylum patient.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2024 12:49 PM (SHMXB)

218 Puh-LEEZE! Politico Profiles 'Reluctant Prosecutor' Alvin Bragg

-
As reluctant as BJ Clinton to get a little strange.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at June 01, 2024 12:49 PM (L/fGl)

219 Lenin looked like Evil George Costanza.

Posted by: Son of Dad at June 01, 2024 12:50 PM (8JB5s)

220 209 Paris was a cesspool of venereal disease in the 19th century. Almost every famous artist had syphilis or another venereal disease.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2024 12:45 PM (SHMXB)

Explains much.

Posted by: Van Gogh's ear at June 01, 2024 12:51 PM (ynpvh)

221 200 171 Benny Goodman playing Mozart's clarinet concerto. Look it up, it's in the field manual.
Posted by: bill in arkansas,
------------------------------------

Goodman did a play and talk educational listening thing. He gave credit to Charlie Parker for taking swing up to the next musical step to be bop. Humility is not a Goodman major asset, his words were surprising.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 12:52 PM (YdEcD)

222 218 Puh-LEEZE! Politico Profiles 'Reluctant Prosecutor' Alvin Bragg

-
As reluctant as BJ Clinton to get a little strange.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at June 01, 2024 12:49 PM (L/fGl)

BJ was a trialblazer; he found new ways to keep a cigar humidified.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:52 PM (ynpvh)

223 Willowed from the last thread:

I’ve been assuming all along that if Trump has to go to prison (it’s such an insane world now) that the secret service would INSIST on having agents with him in the cell 24/7 in shifts. The SS has an obligation by federal law to protect former presidents. Would Merchan really tell the SS to pound sand? Anything’s possible with these lunatics but I would be very surprised. He’ll most likely be on house arrest or given a suspended sentence…. But if they put him in prison the SS will be there with him. Am I wrong??

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 01, 2024 12:52 PM (xT8gx)

224 A cure had been developed -- Salvarsan -- 1910. I assume there is some reason Lenin either didn't get it, or that it didn't work.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug

Or he had infected someone else who he kept diddling.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 01, 2024 12:46 PM (79Q0G)

Syphilis is a three stage disease, all the bad stuff happens in stage 3, which generally has an onset decades after infection.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:52 PM (5BSKN)

225 Meh! It was just an advance dose of the preservatives used to keep him "fresh" in the mausoleum in Red Square.
Posted by: Soviet Doctors at June 01, 2024 12:17 PM (2iPee)

That Dead Body On Display thing in Red Square always cracked me up. Those commies were really funny guys!

They even put Stalin in there for awhile. Like I said, funny guys!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 01, 2024 12:53 PM (R/m4+)

226 Paris was a cesspool of venereal disease in the 19th century. Almost every famous artist had syphilis or another venereal disease.

Posted by: polynikes at June 01, 2024 12:45 PM (SHMXB)

You like me! You really like me!

Posted by: Syphillis in the 19th Century mistaking Contagion for Popularity at June 01, 2024 12:53 PM (eDfFs)

227 If you wore glasses, you were killed. Imagine a Commie regime so brutal, the commie Viets went in there to put an end to it.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:07 PM (ynpvh)

By that point the Camboidians were attacking across into Vietnam over "disputed" territory (Pol Pot needed a war to distract from the starvation) and Vietnam counter attacked and their vaunted army did poorly to begin with.
With that impetus, they regathered and pushed in.
It didn't hurt that Vietnam was backed by the USSR and Cambodia by the Chinese.

The two Cambodians I worked with never wore glasses, and they needed to.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 01, 2024 12:53 PM (D7oie)

228 Randolph Churchill, Winston's father, has syphilis. He had some early brilliance, then a lingering, painful death.

Poor Winston was celibate until marriage at 34.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 01, 2024 12:53 PM (u82oZ)

229 I started as a young guy doing Napoleonic era wargames, started a Russian army and that gets one to read, more and more history. Only these last say 5 years been diving into Russian Communist history. No reason won't continue looking for more. Nothing on Lenin biography yet, except the Russian Revolution

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 12:54 PM (fwDg9)

230 >>> 55 47
==
My BIL just texted me this morning an AP article that starts.."Embracing Donald Trump's strategy of blaming the U.S. justice system after his historic guilty verdict"...Yeah he hates Trump, and even though he has a degree from XXX, doesn't seem to realize how damaged our justice system is...Same guy that during COVID said the VAX was voluntary as people were being fired from jobs for not taking an non-approved, experimental "vaccine"; his logic? "Hey, they had a choice to take it or not, and they chose losing their job". WTF, dude.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 11:54 AM (ynpvh)

Speaking of choices... yes, I *really* like this comment posted after the "conviction" of OrangeManBad:
Sarah A. Hoyt says: May 30, 2024 at 6:19 pm
They have chosen. I hope they enjoy their choice.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 01, 2024 12:54 PM (llON8)

231 "...how many of today's university students are able to read it?"

And there, gray- box friends, is the crux of what we have in the US today. Not just uni students, either.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at June 01, 2024 12:56 PM (Rbu5d)

232 BJ was a trialblazer; he found new ways to keep a cigar humidified.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:52 PM (ynpvh)

And with extra flavor too...Key Lime Pie!

Not too tart, not too sweet
My baby loves to watch me eat
Her key lime pie
Her key lime pie...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 01, 2024 12:56 PM (R/m4+)

233 A cure had been developed -- Salvarsan -- 1910. I assume there is some reason Lenin either didn't get it, or that it didn't work.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 01, 2024 12:40 PM (t1fZA)[.i]

Yep, WWI. It wasn't licensed outside of Germany

My Grandad washed out of Navy boot camp because of erysipelas in 1918 (they had already won so it had helped)
and when he called his mom, she was a bit deaf and the phone connection was bad, and they all thought he had syphilis when he came home, and it was considered to not be treatable then, except of course by toxic mercury.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 01, 2024 12:56 PM (D7oie)

234 Am I wrong??
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 01, 2024 12:52 PM (xT8gx)

At this point I think nothing is off the table, but yeah, sending him to prison seems like a damn near impossibility right now.

Although there are currently congresscritters who are trying to see how they can have his SS contingent removed.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:56 PM (5BSKN)

235 277
...
Posted by: Kindltot at June 01, 2024 12:53 PM (D7oie)

It's good to remembe that in the end, that's what commies want to do; kill everybody that's in their way. We're seeing that happen right now in this country. They will use the tools of freedom as long as they're useful, and get rid of them once they no longer need them.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:56 PM (ynpvh)

236 But if they put him in prison the SS will be there with him. Am I wrong??
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 01, 2024 12:52 PM (xT8gx)

Remember the bitch SS agent who said she would never do anything to protect Trump? I guarantee you the entire Service feels like that.

The SS will say, "sorry, can't protect criminals," Merchan will forbid Trump from having private security and then the countdown to him getting a shiv in the back begins.

But most Americans are too busy with their jobs or planning a trip to Disney or getting ready for the weekend barbecue to care.

Change my mind.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 01, 2024 12:56 PM (Q0kLU)

237 Many look at Pot as the pound for pound most evil 20th century monster.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:23 PM (81i8c)

I do. That's why I have long concluded the modern Left's model will be him.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2024 12:56 PM (lX8VI)

238 I’ve been assuming all along that if Trump has to go to prison (...

Posted by: LinusVanPelt
------------------------------

Would you really let Trump go to prison?

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 12:57 PM (YdEcD)

239 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 01, 2024 12:56 PM (Q0kLU)

Why would I want to dissuade someone from the truth.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2024 12:57 PM (lX8VI)

240 A cure had been developed -- Salvarsan -- 1910. I assume there is some reason Lenin either didn't get it, or that it didn't work.

It's an arsenic-based antibiotic. It would be interesting to find out what the life expectancy and cancer rates were after treatment. Still probably better than tertiary syphilis, though.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 01, 2024 12:57 PM (xCA6C)

241 John Stewart and Ironically, George W Bush and the GWOT are the reasons why we can no longer have intellectual debates.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 01, 2024 12:57 PM (XV/Pl)

242 234
'currently congresscritters who are trying to see how they can have his SS contingent removed.'

At what point do you say, 'Fuck this, I 'm not cooperating anymore. Now, it's a fight.'?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 12:58 PM (roH4R)

243 223 Willowed from the last thread:

I’ve been assuming all along that if Trump has to go to prison (it’s such an insane world now) that the secret service would INSIST on having agents with him in the cell 24/7 in shifts. The SS has an obligation by federal law to protect former presidents. Would Merchan really tell the SS to pound sand? Anything’s possible with these lunatics but I would be very surprised. He’ll most likely be on house arrest or given a suspended sentence…. But if they put him in prison the SS will be there with him. Am I wrong??

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 01, 2024 12:52 PM (xT8gx)

You are right about an SS protective detail guarding him 24/7. It's a Federal law, so Merchan and Biden cannot prevent SS protection. In theory. I am positive they are looking for loopholes. If Trump is jailed or imprisoned the plan should be to have him in a cell with no one in adjacent or opposing cells. SS would be in those, armed, with the open cell doors. In theory.

Posted by: Gref at June 01, 2024 12:59 PM (5fDan)

244 Translation: "hey you gimme back my hat!"

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism at June 01, 2024 12:59 PM (knlFM)

245 173
Just like the big guy.

Yep, RNC gets a 10% cut just like the big guy. I noticed that too. They don't call em the Uniparty for nothing.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 01, 2024 12:59 PM (cCxiu)

246 That Dead Body On Display thing in Red Square always cracked me up. Those commies were really funny guys!

They even put Stalin in there for awhile. Like I said, funny guys!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 01, 2024 12:53 PM (R/m4+)

I'm not sure about the Stalin thing, but it's said the Lenin "corpse" is still somewhere in the Kremlin, just not on display.

It's also been said they basically destroyed the actual human flesh decades ago, and the thing that was on display is mostly plaster and spackle.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 12:59 PM (5BSKN)

247 John Stewart and Ironically, George W Bush and the GWOT are the reasons why we can no longer have intellectual debates.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 01, 2024 12:57 PM (XV/Pl)

I have always put it down to the reflexive "racism" cry for merely disagreeing with Obama whenever he insulted us or said anything else for that matter.

That was when the noose on public discussion really tightened.

The snap of the neck was in 2016 after Trump won. In most places you weren't allowed to tell anyone you liked Trump.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2024 01:00 PM (lX8VI)

248 I don't give a rip what GOP senators say, or what Jim Jordan wrote in his latest letter. Issue subpoenas and take sworn testimony, or stfu and resign.

Its a full on lawfare war. Return fire or be swept away

Posted by: Ex GOP at June 01, 2024 01:01 PM (GpUII)

249 236
'Change my mind.'

No. Thanks. It'd be easier to reason leftists.

You can't know what a bunch of SS agents are really thinking.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 01:01 PM (roH4R)

250 We are months away from our very own tiananmen square moment.

As Biden takes to the airwaves to reassure the public that he's protecting Our Democracy.

Mass jailings will follow.

Posted by: I've got bad news for you at June 01, 2024 01:02 PM (bnQ7K)

251 Posted by: LinusVanPelt
------------------------------

Would you really let Trump go to prison?

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 12:57 PM (YdEcD)

?? I don’t want it; think it’s unjust and insane, but if Merchan et al decide there’s nothing I can do personally to change that. I command ZERO divisions

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 01, 2024 01:02 PM (xT8gx)

252 Remember the bitch SS agent who said she would never do anything to protect Trump? I guarantee you the entire Service feels like that.

The SS will say, "sorry, can't protect criminals," Merchan will forbid Trump from having private security and then the countdown to him getting a shiv in the back begins.

But most Americans are too busy with their jobs or planning a trip to Disney or getting ready for the weekend barbecue to care.

Change my mind.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 01, 2024 12:56 PM (Q0kLU)

Among all the federal gunmen, it's been said the Marshalls and Secret Service are the ones most faithful to their missions, but it's probably also true SS has been infiltrated by the CIA for decades. Going back at least to 1963.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 01:03 PM (5BSKN)

253 It's good to remembe that in the end, that's what commies want to do; kill everybody that's in their way. We're seeing that happen right now in this country. They will use the tools of freedom as long as they're useful, and get rid of them once they no longer need them.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:56 PM (ynpvh)

actually in the end the system is so broken under socialism that it cannot continue. The Vietnamese cratered their economy so badly they were below Zimbabwe and sub Sahara Africa in economic output, They wound up deciding to allow private enterprise and they are doing pretty well now. They still call themselves communists, but they are pretty open marketed because that is how you stop being poor.

Rainer Zitelmann recently mentioned that his book "In Defense of Captialism" cannot be sold in Vietnam for ideological reasons, but his most recent book, 'How Nations Escape Poverty" got him invited there to lecture, and it is pretty much the same treatment.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 01, 2024 01:04 PM (D7oie)

254 250 We are months away from our very own tiananmen square moment.

As Biden takes to the airwaves to reassure the public that he's protecting Our Democracy.

Mass jailings will follow.

Posted by: I've got bad news for you at June 01, 2024 01:02 PM (bnQ7K)

"Reichstag fires are very useful"--some Austrian guy

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:05 PM (ynpvh)

255 At what point do you say, 'Fuck this, I 'm not cooperating anymore. Now, it's a fight.'?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 12:58 PM (roH4R)

MTG was excoriated by some on the so-called right for saying something about the fake eyelashes on one of those people.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 01:06 PM (5BSKN)

256 255 At what point do you say, 'Fuck this, I 'm not cooperating anymore. Now, it's a fight.'?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 12:58 PM (roH4R)

MTG was excoriated by some on the so-called right for saying something about the fake eyelashes on one of those people.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 01:06 PM (5BSKN)

The eyelashes were fake, but accurate.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:06 PM (ynpvh)

257 This is only the first day of June. From this point forward, every political event will have greater significance than the event preceding it.

Posted by: mrp at June 01, 2024 01:07 PM (rj6Yv)

258 >>> 256 255 At what point do you say, 'Fuck this, I 'm not cooperating anymore. Now, it's a fight.'?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 12:58 PM (roH4R)

MTG was excoriated by some on the so-called right for saying something about the fake eyelashes on one of those people.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 01:06 PM (5BSKN)

The eyelashes were fake, but accurate.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:06 PM (ynpvh)

Is it ok to say someone's boobs are fake?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 01, 2024 01:07 PM (llON8)

259 258 >>> 256 255 At what point do you say, 'Fuck this, I 'm not cooperating anymore. Now, it's a fight.'?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 12:58 PM (roH4R)

MTG was excoriated by some on the so-called right for saying something about the fake eyelashes on one of those people.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 01:06 PM (5BSKN)

The eyelashes were fake, but accurate.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:06 PM (ynpvh)

Is it ok to say someone's boobs are fake?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 01, 2024 01:07 PM (llON

Nadler's aren't. 🤮

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:08 PM (ynpvh)

260 257 This is only the first day of June. From this point forward, every political event will have greater significance than the event preceding it.

Posted by: mrp at June 01, 2024 01:07 PM (rj6Yv)

Outta da pan and into da fire.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:08 PM (ynpvh)

261 IIRC the Secret Service has already discussed their role should Trump be sentenced to prison. They met with prison officials... don't recall which prison though.

I've no idea if the prison has the final say on whether Trump gets a security detail or not.

FWIW I don't think Trump will "go to jail." The optics are great for the rabid left, but not so good in general. The logistics of such a move would be complicated. Should Trump actually be tossed in prison without a security detail I'd say we're toast.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 01, 2024 01:08 PM (Q4IgG)

262 255

'some on the so-called right '
I don't mean those twinks. I meant Trump.
If I were sure I was being railroaded into being killed in jail, I would at least stop showing up for their farce.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 01:08 PM (roH4R)

263 NASA next launch attempt probably tomorrow June 2, 12:03 p.m. EDT, 1603 UTC and 18:03 CEST.

Posted by: Ciampino - If at first you don't succeed ..... at June 01, 2024 01:09 PM (qfLjt)

264 I don't give a rip what GOP senators say, or what Jim Jordan wrote in his latest letter. Issue subpoenas and take sworn testimony, or stfu and resign.

Its a full on lawfare war. Return fire or be swept away
Posted by: Ex GOP at June 01, 2024 01:01 PM (GpUII)

One of the advantages the Democrats have is, they don't stick their necks out. If for example, Obama had attacked Larry Sinclair for making statements about Obama's sex life, I suppose Larry could have sued him.

But where? In which court? And yet, Democrats and corporate media pretend Larry Sinclair doesn't exist.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 01:10 PM (5BSKN)

265 Certainly a story could be written for a what if how tje Marxists take over

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 01:10 PM (fwDg9)

266 258
'Is it ok to say someone's boobs are fake?'

No, it never is. Let us hang on to those illusions.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 01:10 PM (roH4R)

267 261 IIRC the Secret Service has already discussed their role should Trump be sentenced to prison. They met with prison officials... don't recall which prison though.

I've no idea if the prison has the final say on whether Trump gets a security detail or not.

FWIW I don't think Trump will "go to jail." The optics are great for the rabid left, but not so good in general. The logistics of such a move would be complicated. Should Trump actually be tossed in prison without a security detail I'd say we're toast.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 01, 2024 01:08 PM (Q4IgG)

Dershowitz, in one of his interview, said this. Merchan doesn't want to help Trump's campaign any more than he already has. Besides, he won't be jailed during the appeals, no matter what Merchan sentences him to.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:10 PM (ynpvh)

268 It's good to remembe that in the end, that's what commies want to do; kill everybody that's in their way. We're seeing that happen right now in this country. They will use the tools of freedom as long as they're useful, and get rid of them once they no longer need them.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 12:56 PM (ynpvh)

"Prairie Fire", written by Bill Ayers.

Posted by: mrp at June 01, 2024 01:11 PM (rj6Yv)

269 >>> 261
==
FWIW I don't think Trump will "go to jail." The optics are great for the rabid left, but not so good in general. The logistics of such a move would be complicated. Should Trump actually be tossed in prison without a security detail I'd say we're toast.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 01, 2024 01:08 PM (Q4IgG)

Maybe I'm too young to be so cynical, but I think the commies are far past caring what the "optics" are like for anyone not already rabidly supporting them. With 2020 and 2022 they've shown they believe removing smoke detectors means the house cannot catch on fire...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 01, 2024 01:12 PM (llON8)

270 Is it ok to say someone's boobs are fake?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
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That's when the hair pulling starts.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 01:13 PM (YdEcD)

271 269 >>> 261
==
FWIW I don't think Trump will "go to jail." The optics are great for the rabid left, but not so good in general. The logistics of such a move would be complicated. Should Trump actually be tossed in prison without a security detail I'd say we're toast.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 01, 2024 01:08 PM (Q4IgG)

Maybe I'm too young to be so cynical, but I think the commies are far past caring what the "optics" are like for anyone not already rabidly supporting them. With 2020 and 2022 they've shown they believe removing smoke detectors means the house cannot catch on fire...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 01, 2024 01:12 PM (llON

Crappy hotel I stayed at for ONE night: fire alarm was in a dresser drawer...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:13 PM (ynpvh)

272 I don't mean those twinks. I meant Trump.
If I were sure I was being railroaded into being killed in jail, I would at least stop showing up for their farce.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 01:08 PM (roH4R)

Right, I'm just pointing out that people are still looking to the Republican Party to do something about all this.

And of course, that's part of Trump's problem, as he looks for allies in the fight.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 01:14 PM (5BSKN)

273 270 Is it ok to say someone's boobs are fake?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
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That's when the hair pulling starts.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 01:13 PM (YdEcD)

Lots of Congresscritters talk like they've been programmed by AI.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:14 PM (ynpvh)

274 The 2020 election steal tells the Dems they can get away with anything.

Posted by: davidt at June 01, 2024 01:14 PM (SYTee)

275 272 I don't mean those twinks. I meant Trump.
If I were sure I was being railroaded into being killed in jail, I would at least stop showing up for their farce.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 01:08 PM (roH4R)

Right, I'm just pointing out that people are still looking to the Republican Party to do something about all this.

And of course, that's part of Trump's problem, as he looks for allies in the fight.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 01:14 PM (5BSKN)

That's like 1940's French looking at the Vichy Gov't to help fight against the Nazi invasion.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:15 PM (ynpvh)

276 Maybe that's what Kurt's book is, don't know

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 01:16 PM (fwDg9)

277 274 The 2020 election steal tells the Dems they can get away with anything.

Posted by: davidt at June 01, 2024 01:14 PM (SYTee)

The trials of J6 folks tells them that too.
The Trump trials as well.
The trials and disbarrments of Trumps lawyers.
The harassment of conservatives by the executive arm of the Gov't.

Seems very little, so far, tells the Left they CAN'T do what they've been doing.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:16 PM (ynpvh)

278 Right, I'm just pointing out that people are still looking to the Republican Party to do something about all this.

And of course, that's part of Trump's problem, as he looks for allies in the fight.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 01:14 PM (5BSKN)

For what it's worth, I listened to Tucker's brief conversation with Jr., post verdict. Junior says they learned their lesson from last time, and this time they know who the rogues are.

For reasons I can't quite explain, I don't trust Don Jr. He doesn't strike me as particularly smart, and I get the sense he's in over his head most of the time.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 01:17 PM (5BSKN)

279 Hildabeast getting away with turning the SoS job into a crime racket let's you know they won't be prosecuted

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 01:17 PM (fwDg9)

280 277 274 The 2020 election steal tells the Dems they can get away with anything.

Posted by: davidt at June 01, 2024 01:14 PM (SYTee)

The trials of J6 folks tells them that too.
The Trump trials as well.
The trials and disbarrments of Trumps lawyers.
The harassment of conservatives by the executive arm of the Gov't.

Seems very little, so far, tells the Left they CAN'T do what they've been doing.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:16 PM (ynpvh)

SCOTUS and what army?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:17 PM (ynpvh)

281 Dershowitz, in one of his interview, said this. Merchan doesn't want to help Trump's campaign any more than he already has. Besides, he won't be jailed during the appeals, no matter what Merchan sentences him to.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:10 PM (ynpvh)

Trump already wanted to win, badly. Basically he now has a situation where he’s desperate to win. Because if he loses he’s going to prison… if he wins and gets inaugurated I suspect all those legal difficulties disappear during the 4 years of his term. Talk about an incentive to win!

Also another huge irony… for all those lefties saying Trump will never leave if he wins (dictator for life) if prison and other potential convictions continue to loom that actually does give him real incentive to stay! Crazy town

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 01, 2024 01:17 PM (xT8gx)

282 "Prairie Fire", written by Bill Ayers.
Posted by: mrp
--------------------

Yep. _ Only thing is, that wind can turn the fire back on the starter.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 01:18 PM (YdEcD)

283

Trump is not desperate.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 01:19 PM (YdEcD)

284 282 "Prairie Fire", written by Bill Ayers.
Posted by: mrp
--------------------

Yep. _ Only thing is, that wind can turn the fire back on the starter.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 01:18 PM (YdEcD)

Although difficult. The Left is doing their best to make sure the ratchet doesn't slip.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:19 PM (ynpvh)

285 I'd say trump is more Determined than Desperate.

Posted by: davidt at June 01, 2024 01:19 PM (SYTee)

286 282 "Prairie Fire", written by Bill Ayers.
Posted by: mrp
--------------------

Yep. _ Only thing is, that wind can turn the fire back on the starter.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 01:18 PM (YdEcD)
Ayres wants to be remembered as reincarnated Marx, ubama as mugabe and big mike as winny mandela.

Posted by: Eromero at June 01, 2024 01:21 PM (o2ZRX)

287 For reasons I can't quite explain, I don't trust Don Jr. He doesn't strike me as particularly smart, and I get the sense he's in over his head most of the time.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Don Jr. is running the business.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 01:21 PM (YdEcD)

288 That's like 1940's French looking at the Vichy Gov't to help fight against the Nazi invasion.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:15 PM (ynpvh)

I'm not going to bother to find an answer, but I do wonder why the Germans allowed a "free france" to continue to exist. Seems they could have clamped down on the whole nation, much more viciously than they did. Maybe they never took the french seriously, as an opposing force.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 01:21 PM (5BSKN)

289 Sorry for the black pill. Working on a Saturday does that to me.

Hope you all have a lovely weekend.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 01, 2024 01:21 PM (Q0kLU)

290 Right, I'm just pointing out that people are still looking to the Republican Party to do something about all this.

And of course, that's part of Trump's problem, as he looks for allies in the fight.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 01:14 PM (5BSKN)

I don't see a major shift in political affiliation nationwide to the GOP. I do see a massive shift of support from the sidelines to Trump. DJT is placing the robe of "political prisoner" around his shoulders and it seems to fit quite well. Trump's campaign raised $53,000,000+ in the first 24 hours after the verdicts were announced; a third of the donors had never donated to a Trump presidential campaign before.

Posted by: mrp at June 01, 2024 01:21 PM (rj6Yv)

291 270 Is it ok to say someone's boobs are fake?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
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That's when the hair pulling starts.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 01:13 PM (YdEcD)

If your evening went well.

Posted by: And gets better from there at June 01, 2024 01:21 PM (k3d8O)

292 "Are intellectual discussions possible in the public square now?"

Were they ever so?

Posted by: Knock gp A Kiss at June 01, 2024 01:22 PM (MvF+J)

293 You people need to make up your minds about whether or not PRIDE is a good thing or racist.

Fucking get it straight! Or whatever.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 01, 2024 01:23 PM (dmXQN)

294 289 Sorry for the black pill. Working on a Saturday does that to me.

Hope you all have a lovely weekend.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 01, 2024 01:21 PM (Q0kLU)

Anyone who isn't black pilled by now hasn't been paying sufficient attention.

Posted by: Life is the biggest black piller at June 01, 2024 01:24 PM (k3d8O)

295 Trump's campaign raised $53,000,000+ in the first 24 hours after the verdicts were announced; a third of the donors had never donated to a Trump presidential campaign before.

Posted by: mrp

Also, the donation site crashed there were so many attempts to donate. The numbers would be much bigger if that hadn't happened.

Which makes me wonder where Bob from the NSA was at the time.

Posted by: davidt at June 01, 2024 01:24 PM (SYTee)

296 288 That's like 1940's French looking at the Vichy Gov't to help fight against the Nazi invasion.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:15 PM (ynpvh)

I'm not going to bother to find an answer, but I do wonder why the Germans allowed a "free france" to continue to exist. Seems they could have clamped down on the whole nation, much more viciously than they did. Maybe they never took the french seriously, as an opposing force.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 01:21 PM (5BSKN)

I would assume the same reason they wanted the Brits to capitulate without a major escalation; the color of their skin. Now if it was some country that was filled to the brim with and protecting what the Nasties called "undesirables" I'm sure that would've been different.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:25 PM (ynpvh)

297 Yet read others thinking Merchan will jail DJT because he can. Hoping harm will come.And could you imagine a Bolshevik guard enjoyment punishing DJT?

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 01:25 PM (fwDg9)

298 'I do wonder why the Germans allowed a "free france" to continue to exist.'

They occupied the parts of France they cared about and they knew they could occupy the rest any time they wanted. They got complete compliance from Vichy.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 01, 2024 01:25 PM (roH4R)

299 I don't see a major shift in political affiliation nationwide to the GOP. I do see a massive shift of support from the sidelines to Trump. DJT is placing the robe of "political prisoner" around his shoulders and it seems to fit quite well. Trump's campaign raised $53,000,000+ in the first 24 hours after the verdicts were announced; a third of the donors had never donated to a Trump presidential campaign before.
Posted by: mrp at June 01, 2024 01:21 PM (rj6Yv)

I would be curious to see if part of the Democrat strategy is to put more emphasis on defeating the Republicans in the Senate and House, possibly controlling both branches while Trump sits in the White House.

As much as it looks like all their effort is on stopping him, it's also quite obvious it's either A. Not working, or 2. A ruse, to hide their real efforts.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 01:25 PM (5BSKN)

300 nood

Posted by: Knock gp A Kiss at June 01, 2024 01:25 PM (MvF+J)

301 292 "Are intellectual discussions possible in the public square now?"

Were they ever so?

Posted by: Knock gp A Kiss at June 01, 2024 01:22 PM (MvF+J)

Did you have to worry about getting cement shake thrown at you before?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:26 PM (ynpvh)

302 Builder's know when a structure should be torn to the ground and built anew or when it's more efficient to remodel the existing form.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 01:26 PM (YdEcD)

303 293 You people need to make up your minds about whether or not PRIDE is a good thing or racist.

Fucking get it straight! Or whatever.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 01, 2024 01:23 PM (dmXQN
They ain’t from Muscogee anthey’re walkin’ on the fightin’ side of me.
- Merle Haggard

Posted by: Eromero at June 01, 2024 01:26 PM (o2ZRX)

304 302 Builder's know when a structure should be torn to the ground and built anew or when it's more efficient to remodel the existing form.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 01:26 PM (YdEcD)

Punchline: "How did you manage to make a hurricane?"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:27 PM (ynpvh)

305 Foucault and his ilk just wanted to fuck kids. That's it. They wove fancy-sounding bullshit around it to rationalize themselves to mush-brained degenerates but that's the rotten perverted evil core of the whole thing.

Posted by: We're gonna need more millstones at June 01, 2024 01:27 PM (k3d8O)

306 303 293 You people need to make up your minds about whether or not PRIDE is a good thing or racist.

Fucking get it straight! Or whatever.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 01, 2024 01:23 PM (dmXQN
They ain’t from Muscogee anthey’re walkin’ on the fightin’ side of me.
- Merle Haggard

Posted by: Eromero at June 01, 2024 01:26 PM (o2ZRX)

Pride is sinful. Homosexuality is not a race.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:28 PM (ynpvh)

307 297 ... And could you imagine a Bolshevik guard enjoyment punishing DJT?
Posted by: Skip
----------------------

I can imagine a mass of Americans preventing them from jailing Trump.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 01:28 PM (YdEcD)

308 Feeling Intellectual? Or Not?
-----------

I mention again, an article, "The Candid Conservative; A nation of the intellectually stupid?"

https://tinyurl.com/bdz7awr9

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 01, 2024 01:28 PM (XeU6L)

309 I was just the recipient of an act of kindness. Standing in the line to pay for my groceries and the gentleman in front of me pays my bill. I swear I didn't look as if I had just crawled out of the muck bucket and my groceries were expensive dog food and a hunk of Waygu beef.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 01, 2024 01:29 PM (G/eSj)

310 >> Miguel Cardona, President Biden's secretary of education, gave a talk to explain education-department priorities. Promoting a kinder, friendlier department, he said, "I think it was President Reagan [who] said, 'We're from the government. We're here to help.'"

That is just so. . . perfectly awful. Like out of a Rand or Orwell novel, the freakin' Secretary or EDUCATION so garbling Reagan's words to convey the exact opposite message.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 01, 2024 01:29 PM (cCVOS)

311 289 Sorry for the black pill. Working on a Saturday does that to me.

You were a black pill early adopter. You have lots of company now. The world is coming your way

Posted by: Ex GOP at June 01, 2024 01:29 PM (GpUII)

312 Also, the donation site crashed there were so many attempts to donate. The numbers would be much bigger if that hadn't happened.

Which makes me wonder where Bob from the NSA was at the time.
Posted by: davidt at June 01, 2024 01:24 PM (SYTee)

I doubt they lost much money on it, and it does appear to have been a natural event of the site crashing from all the traffic.

Unlike for example, the Maricopa County voting process in '22, where people were prevented from voting in person for hours, I assume damn near everyone who intended to donate, went back later and did so.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 01, 2024 01:30 PM (5BSKN)

313 Forget the Gope. Everyone knows they are uniparty.

But what of the so called leaders on the right?

Where are the people with big platforms? Are they calling for a General Strike?

No.

Massive protests? No.

A coordinated Massive boycott of NY? No.

They are calling for more of the same. Donate and vote Gope.

Why? Hmmm. Why is this?

They are all multi millionaires. And they aren't about to risk their upscale living. Don't forget to buy their hats, t shirts, coffee mugs and gold coins from their sponsors.

Posted by: I've got bad news for you at June 01, 2024 01:30 PM (bnQ7K)

314 Pride is sinful. Homosexuality is not a race.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:28 PM (ynpvh)

Sure it is. A race to the bottom.

Posted by: Amiright or amiright? at June 01, 2024 01:30 PM (k3d8O)

315 Listen up if someone unexpectedly tosses the phrase “convicted felon” into conversation. It will reveal much about the person.

Posted by: another guy at June 01, 2024 01:31 PM (rjJqk)

316 2) "You got that from ( )."

Can't argue with a shut mind.
Posted by: naturalfake at June 01, 2024 12:47 PM (eDfFs)

I got that line from an intellectually-cowardly person when I told him about some unsavory Medicare policy. My source was the official government Medicare website, but I was still wrong in his view.

Posted by: Emmie at June 01, 2024 01:32 PM (Sf2cq)

317 And another note from today's assuredly totally unbiased source from Bing News feed-"MAGA faithful call for lynchings and riots after Trump's conviction." Uhhh huh. I couldn't even bear to read the article.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 01, 2024 01:32 PM (XkYcA)

318 250 We are months away from our very own tiananmen square moment.

With this media?
Whoever plans it had better include good ground and drone coverage as well as secure comms with co-conspir....errr...partners. Multiple sites is recommended.
But yeah, I agree. And it may not take much.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 01, 2024 01:32 PM (W/lyH)

319 315 Listen up if someone unexpectedly tosses the phrase “convicted felon” into conversation. It will reveal much about the person.

Posted by: another guy at June 01, 2024 01:31 PM (rjJqk)

"Unindicted co-conspirators"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:33 PM (ynpvh)

320 {{{Ben Had}}}

You do has skill with man manipulation. Your persona can shine lie a beacon.
Did you at least wink at him?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 01, 2024 01:33 PM (u82oZ)

321 317 And another note from today's assuredly totally unbiased source from Bing News feed-"MAGA faithful call for lynchings and riots after Trump's conviction." Uhhh huh. I couldn't even bear to read the article.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 01, 2024 01:32 PM (XkYcA)

The only news fit to ~~print~~ compost.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:34 PM (ynpvh)

322 Lizzy,

I know the type. I lived around a bunch of DC government types and they think the people in the private sector are a bunch of fuck ups.

They honestly believe that the government can do anything better than the private sector.

Posted by: pawn at June 01, 2024 01:34 PM (QB+5g)

323 316 2) "You got that from ( )."

Can't argue with a shut mind.
Posted by: naturalfake at June 01, 2024 12:47 PM (eDfFs)

I got that line from an intellectually-cowardly person when I told him about some unsavory Medicare policy. My source was the official government Medicare website, but I was still wrong in his view.

Posted by: Emmie at June 01, 2024 01:32 PM (Sf2cq)

The "Abortion is the Same as a Miscarriage" woman...hope she's in jail right now.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:35 PM (ynpvh)

324 322 Lizzy,

I know the type. I lived around a bunch of DC government types and they think the people in the private sector are a bunch of fuck ups.

They honestly believe that the government can do anything better than the private sector.

Posted by: pawn at June 01, 2024 01:34 PM (QB+5g)

That's why the Gov't budgets are balanced and the debt paid off.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 01, 2024 01:36 PM (ynpvh)

325 Trump is the boss. If he chooses to rebuild the party from within that's what we help him do. If he chooses to build a new party that's what we help him do.

He's working his ass off to rebuild the party from within.
Every rally he has he pulls state and local candidates up
on stage and gives them accolades and his coattails.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 01:37 PM (YdEcD)

326 I'm over 29, so I had a typing class in high school. I'm not that old -- we had IBM Selectrics.

Anyway, one of our typing assignments was a famous Solzhenitsyn passage. I can't recall which one, but I'd recognize it if I saw it again.

Posted by: Emmie at June 01, 2024 01:38 PM (Sf2cq)

327 325 Trump is the boss. If he chooses to rebuild the party from within that's what we help him do. If he chooses to build a new party that's what we help him do.

He's working his ass off to rebuild the party from within.
Every rally he has he pulls state and local candidates up
on stage and gives them accolades and his coattails.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 01, 2024 01:37 PM (YdEcD
President Trump has risked everything, we can stand to risk a bit too.

Posted by: Eromero at June 01, 2024 01:41 PM (o2ZRX)

328 "We can't let the private sector to make these decisions on their own. My gosh, if they made a mistake the costs would be enormous!"

Posted by: pawn at June 01, 2024 01:41 PM (QB+5g)

329 >>And another note from today's assuredly totally unbiased source from Bing News feed-"MAGA faithful call for lynchings and riots after Trump's conviction." Uhhh huh. I couldn't even bear to read the article.

UGH
Fen, I've started looking at the source publication and author(s) on the work articles served up to me via the Bing home page. Try it - you'll see that it's from foreign online sites with foreign authors, and seemed to provoke and social engineer (all those headlines that boil down to "Why you should hate this person/celebrity!"

There's some bad stuff going on here, like it's designed to make us dumber, more hateful.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 01, 2024 01:41 PM (cCVOS)

330 NaCly, I thanked him profusely but I honestly was the least person in that line after him ( He had good taste in wine) that should have benefited from his kindness. I will be sure to pass this gesture along on my next trip to the store. A reminder that a little kindness goes a long way especially now that we need it so badly.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 01, 2024 01:42 PM (G/eSj)

331 Eromero, absolutely!!

Posted by: Ben Had at June 01, 2024 01:43 PM (G/eSj)

332 Posted by: Lizzy at June 01, 2024 01:41 PM (cCVOS)

Good for you to look into that, Lizzy, and thanks for pointing that out.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 01, 2024 01:46 PM (XkYcA)

333 That's a great story, BenHad. Thanks for sharing it!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 01, 2024 01:46 PM (XkYcA)

334 Pay it forward.

Excellent, Ben Had.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 01, 2024 01:47 PM (u82oZ)

335
Benny Goodman playing Mozart's clarinet concerto. Look it up, it's in the field manual.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

That was in The Benny Goodman Story movie.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 01, 2024 01:51 PM (63Dwl)

336 Very cool, Ben Had - there are still kind people out there!

Posted by: Lizzy at June 01, 2024 01:53 PM (cCVOS)

337 LEAK - Trump to be sentenced to 364 days in Rikers.

/internet so must be true

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 01, 2024 02:01 PM (Norbf)

338 @261

>>FWIW I don't think Trump will "go to jail."

No, Trumps going to jail, for about 10 years.

These monsters have not poured gasoline all over the corpse of the Republic to then not light the match, to gaze upon their grotesque funeral pyre they have erected.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 01, 2024 02:12 PM (XV/Pl)

339 I doubt it

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 02:13 PM (fwDg9)

340 Don't doubt they want to. Just that it's known already

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 02:17 PM (fwDg9)

341 But though a first time offender, he probably is a repeat offender it's just that they didn't try yet

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 02:18 PM (fwDg9)

342 @340

>>Don't doubt they want to. Just that it's known already

What's known?

That they are going to take the potential 136 year sentence and reduce it to a year?

I doubt they are going to be so magnanimous.

That would just prove, without a shadow of a doubt the indictments were political in nature, and I don't think the lunatics who are running the show are going to let their White Whale escape so lightly.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 01, 2024 02:20 PM (XV/Pl)

343 No, Trumps going to jail, for about 10 years.

These monsters have not poured gasoline all over the corpse of the Republic to then not light the match, to gaze upon their grotesque funeral pyre they have erected.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 01, 2024 02:12 PM (XV/Pl)

They already know that Trump's case will die in a couple of years after numerous Appeals... but it will be WAY past the election.

So they will double down and give him years of Jail time... as what is important is that he appears to be a criminal to prospective voters.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 01, 2024 02:30 PM (xaFKb)

344 @343

>>as what is important is that he appears to be a criminal to prospective voters.

Yes, they didn't go to all this trouble to slap a measly one year sentence on the man, or give him home confinement.

No, these psychopaths are not boy scouts and they mean business.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 01, 2024 02:36 PM (XV/Pl)

345 The max in this case is 20 years. I think they might go for 8.

Posted by: ... at June 01, 2024 02:54 PM (lX8VI)

346 We are months away from our very own tiananmen square moment.

As Biden takes to the airwaves to reassure the public that he's protecting Our Democracy.

Mass jailings will follow.
Posted by: I've got bad news for you at June 01, 2024 01:02 PM (bnQ7K)

In a sane world, where the citizens are heavily armed, and have finally reached "that line", those in power and their families would find a need to worry about their own future. Remember the essay written years ago called, "What You'll See In The Rebellion"?

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at June 01, 2024 02:57 PM (iODuv)

347 There is no point of Trump even showing up to court now is there.

Might just be time for that Tree of Liberty thing?

Posted by: Outside of Life at June 01, 2024 03:01 PM (89Sog)

348 I think, maybe hope some adult will step in shutting this Kangaroo Court down.

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 03:03 PM (fwDg9)

349 In The Mood by Glenn Miller?

Sundays, 1130 CET, AFN Radio, mid 1980s

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 01, 2024 03:11 PM (8sMut)

350 Why not? Reading a book on D-Day

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 03:21 PM (fwDg9)

351 Skip, 1-800-GOT-JUNK got the job done. $99 to remove the mattress. Same day response.

Posted by: Knock gp A Kiss at June 01, 2024 03:25 PM (MvF+J)

352 Do you have a B61 400kT thermonuclear bomb laying around, but lost the instruction book? Here's how you prep and arm it:
youtube.com/watch?v=Sj4tEj5aV7c

Posted by: Knock gp A Kiss at June 01, 2024 03:26 PM (MvF+J)

353 PET NOOD

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 03:32 PM (fwDg9)

354 Eh, better than moving it yourself

Posted by: Skip at June 01, 2024 03:33 PM (fwDg9)

355 Do you have a B61 400kT thermonuclear bomb laying around, but lost the instruction book? Here's how you prep and arm it:
youtube.com/watch?v=Sj4tEj5aV7c
Posted by: Knock gp A Kiss at June 01, 2024 03:26 PM (MvF+J)

Thanks! I misplaced my manual.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at June 01, 2024 03:38 PM (iODuv)

356 335 The vid does not give the Permissive Action Link code, but I assume it's still
"00000000"
as it has been since forever.

Posted by: Knock gp A Kiss at June 01, 2024 03:48 PM (MvF+J)

357 Do you have a B61 400kT thermonuclear bomb laying around, but lost the instruction book? Here's how you prep and arm it:
youtube.com/watch?v=Sj4tEj5aV7c
Posted by: Knock gp A Kiss at June 01, 2024 03:26 PM (MvF+J)

Thanks! I misplaced my manual.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at June 01, 2024 03:38 PM (iODuv)

More of a W33 man myself.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 01, 2024 04:27 PM (W/lyH)

358 Stalin became the man because he was willing to do all the shit jobs that Lenin, Trotsky, and the old communists were to smart to do, like running the Party HR department, which allowed Stalin to fill all the positions with mostly incompetents, who then owed their living to The Boss.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 01, 2024 04:46 PM (aD39U)

359 Ya know, with the dems trying so hard to get Trump into jail, I'm beginning to suspect even they don't believe Biden got 81 million votes.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 01, 2024 04:48 PM (W/lyH)

360 If somebody else has already posted it, too bad:

There was a great Marxist called Lenin
Who did two or three million men in
That’s a lot to have done in
But where he did one in
That grand Marxist Stalin did ten in.

Robert Conquest

Posted by: Grungle at June 01, 2024 07:55 PM (Mtgnj)

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