California Rant

Members of The Horde consider
the sorry state of California government

How long has it been since you communicated with one of your government representatives? What were the results? They say that letters are more effective than emails or other forms of online communication, but I think it probably depends on the recipient. Letters do provide a nice record, though. And sometimes you have to push back.

NorCal Sierra Foothills Lurker sent us a copy of a letter to the Governor of California (slightly altered here to protect the innocent). BOLD. The first part of the letter includes a partial description of personal travails in dealing with the Government of California regarding a simple short-term disability claim. The description of these struggles with inane government actions was followed by a timely rant on more general issues with state government. They are related.

I think this letter may have been triggered by the Newsom/DeSantis debate on November 30, which brought several of Newsom's shortcomings out into the open. But here are some other reminders of Newsom's heavy-handed and disastrous policies and actions.

I have added some paragraph breaks to the text of the letter, because the details of the bureaucratic ordeal described are maddening and deserve to be considered in some detail:

Dear Governor Newsom,
In June of this year, my husband fell at home and broke his right great toe and tore and/or severely bruised the meniscus in his left knee. Since he hikes up and down hills and kneels all day, he had to be off work for about 6 weeks. He applied for state disability, properly (we have copies) and sent them in. We waited.
Then a rejection letter came that basically said his doctor doesn't exist. It had instructions to appeal and a form. He filled it out, correctly (we have copies) along with proof his doctor exists in good standing and sent it in. We waited and waited. Nothing.
He began the infuriating task of trying to get through by phone to the EDD office. Over and over and over again. The automated system has you enter all your information then says there are too many callers, try another time, then hangs up on you.
After weeks of trying someone tells him that they, EDD, sent the wrong form so will send the correct one. We waited. Finally it comes.
He fills it out correctly (we have copies) and sends it in. We have waited and waited and tried and tried and tried to call. All to no avail.
He was hurt in June. It is now December and we are still waiting and calling. Again today.

Now comes the rant:

During the pandemic our state was the laughing stock of the entire country because of the horrendously run EDD, which is emblematic of every department this state runs. You were on tv smiling and promising time and time again that California had a huge budget surplus as well as federal dollars flowing in and you were overseeing the remedy and implementation to fix it.
You lied to us. EDD is every bit as bad as it was then when billions went to fraud here and even abroad. Yet my husband who has worked steadily, paid his taxes, and been a good citizen and great person helping family member after family member who needed it, can't even get the disability payments he is owed by the state.
And yet there you are running around telling everyone who will listen what a wonderful job you have done here. This after you have lied to us, fixed nor improved nothing while turning our surplus into a huge deficit. It is abhorrent!
Sincerely,
(Name included in the letter to the governor, but not here)

Wow. Short, but full of truth. This letter also provides us with an opportunity to provide some details for backup, including math:

The California Employment Development Department (EDD)

Here is a piece from January 2021 to back up NorCal Sierra Foothills Lurker's "laughing stock of the entire country" statement in the letter to the Governor - California Says Unemployment Fraud During Pandemic Cost Taxpayers Up To $31 Billion

"It should be no surprise that EDD was overwhelmed, just like the rest of the nation's unemployment agencies," Su told reporters Monday. "And we now know that as millions of Californians applied for help, international and national criminal rings were at work behind the scenes working relentlessly to steal unemployment benefits using sophisticated methods of identity theft."
Officials noted the state is continuing to struggle with a backlog of claims that have not been approved roughly three weeks after being filed, according to the Los Angeles Times.
The EDD announced in a Dec. 31 statement that 1.4 million unemployment claims would be frozen pending an investigation into the widespread unemployment fraud.
The state's Labor Department may also be losing its top official, potentially complicating efforts to address unemployment fraud and the backlog. President Joe Biden has reportedly picked Su to become deputy secretary at the U.S. Department of Labor, according to Bloomberg Law.

When they fail, kick them up to the federal level!

Perhaps the plan is to have her work her miracles in the federal government as well, in a future President Newsom Administration!

You would think that the California EDD would have had time to recover from its work overload and discovery of all those fraudulent claims from Nigeria in 2020 - 2021. The experience above suggests to me that perhaps this department should be broken up like a corrupt monopoly.

But maybe other parties have also been involved in making this morass worse.

CalMatters has done a four-part series of investigations on California's unemployment crash. Here's part of the overview:

Behind the scenes at the state Capitol, California is launching an unprecedented $1.2 billion overhaul of its battered job safety net. Its Employment Development Department -- better known as the EDD -- is attempting to rebuild its unemployment and disability systems as it recovers from a pandemic that left millions of workers waiting for payments and tens of billions of dollars missing to suspected fraud.

A year-long CalMatters investigation finds that the state was primed for disaster by years of missed red flags and failed reforms. Once COVID hit, public records and interviews reveal that California's system was initially friendlier to scammers than to many real workers - - and then the state got so aggressive that many workers struggled to prove their own identities. . .

I'm sorry, but I don't understand why the person in charge of the EDD at this time would even be considered for promotion to the federal system.

. . . New financial reports requested by CalMatters show that amid the chaos, the EDD and its unemployment payment contractor Bank of America split a half a billion dollars in revenue, though the bank says it ultimately spent more to cover fraud losses. Another large EDD contractor, Deloitte, made more than a quarter of a billion dollars on tech contracts and emergency contracts to build systems that state reports say buckled during the pandemic.

Bank of America and Deloitte. And unnamed others. Any possibility that there was some illegal activity going on with the State's contractors? Or are they all just really, really incompetent?

California's Current Budget

NorCal Sierra Foothills Lurker also mentioned in her letter Newsom's lies about the budget. She found this recent piece by Dan Walters, one of the few political reporters these days who came up through the business, skipping J-school:

Economic reality bites as Newsom faces a big California budget problem

During his much ballyhooed, nationally televised debate with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis last week, California Gov. Gavin Newsom boasted that the state's economy is "booming" and leads the nation.
"California has no peers," Newsom declared. "California dominates."
About 18 hours later, reality reared its ugly head. The Legislative Analyst's Office revealed that state tax revenues are running tens of billions of dollars behind expectations due to a slowing economy, creating a monumental budget headache.
The dilemma became apparent when the November income tax filing deadline - seven months later than the original date - passed, and tax receipts for 2022 could finally be counted. . .
LAO analysts Brian Uhler, Chas Alamo and economist Seth Kerstein estimated that 2022-23 revenues are $26 billion under projections and "our updated revenue outlook anticipates collections to come in $58 billion below Budget Act projections across 2022-23 to 2024-25."
California, they said, started seeing an economic downturn in 2022 as the Federal Reserve System raised interest rates to tame inflation. . .

"The number of unemployed workers in California has risen nearly 200,000 since the summer of 2022," they added. "This has resulted in a jump in the state's unemployment rate from 3.8 percent to 4.8 percent. Similarly, inflation-adjusted incomes posted five straight quarters of year-over-year declines from the first quarter of 2022 to the first quarter 2023."
When Newsom and legislators finalized a 2023-24 budget in June, they knew that revenue estimates were shaky due to the postponed filing deadline, but assumed that they had a $30-plus billion gap to bridge.

Their happy but shaky little revenue estimates didn't work out? How could that be? Aren't they totally in tune with the electorate?

More details at the Dan Walters link, with some of his sources also linked.

But wait . . . MORE interactions with the EDD:

There was a part of the saga I forgot to include in that letter. After sending in the final form and waiting and calling and calling, my husband was told they were in the process of reversing the rejection and a check should be going out. Then we waited and called and called again, as per the letter.

After sending the letter to the governor:

After calling disability 3 times in one day, being on hold over an hour, they said they sent my husband a letter, which we never got, that said it went to office of appeals. Called them and they said he has to go to an appeals hearing and they will mail him a letter when time!
And take off work to go! WTAF?!!?? I have to wonder if it's political and on purpose. They can't actually screw up this bad without actually trying.

BTW, when he was on speaker phone with EDD finally, towards the end of the call with the lady that didn't seem to have a grasp of why he was denied and sent to appeals, I said, "You guys are a mess!" And they hung up on him. End of call. Apparently you're not supposed to speak of their horrendous job performance.

So much for getting it by Christmas. What a nightmare!

So far, this nightmare has continued from June to December!

My first thought was "The process is the punishment". What an odd, intrusive thought! Is the punishment for being in the wrong demographic? Hard to say. There could be a variety of reasons, but this is the state where (as VDH has pointed out and as I have seen myself) building codes in rural areas are not enforced where illegal aliens live because . . . equity!

And in the city, the priorities of the homeless take precedence over the priorities of merchants and other citizens - - - until representatives of the CCP visit!

"Your doctor doesn't exist" is a novel reason for denying a claim!

Best wishes to NorCal Sierra Foothills Lurker and her husband. I trust that at least we we won't hear of a scenario something like this:

And here in the Central Valley, a railroad update

Biden Invests $3 billion in California's High Speed Rail

Project has already cost $11 billion with no tracks laid

Well, NorCal Sierra Foothills Lurker did note that Newsom promise that federal dollars would be flowing into the state.

The money will help buy six electric trains and bankroll construction and design of a train station and other facilities and projects along a 171-mile stretch of rail line in California's central valley--far from either Los Angeles or San Francisco. So far this year the California bullet train project has also received nearly $230 million in U.S. taxpayer money through the 2021 federal infrastructure bill.
Biden's fresh money infusion comes as the high speed rail project already has a projected $100 billion deficit after spending more than $11 billion. California Democrats and Republicans alike have blasted the enterprise as costly with little to show for the time and money spent so far. California governor Gavin Newsom (D.) has criticized the project as overly expensive and time-intensive and proposed a scale-back--an idea he later said was taken out of context by the media.
"Only the Biden administration would look at a project that's years behind schedule and tens of billions over budget and think 'that's a good place to invest another $3 billion,'" said Republican assemblyman James Gallagher, the state assembly's minority leader. "Taxpayers around the country should be outraged that this boondoggle is getting another dime of their hard-earned money."

But let's focus on the positive:

The Biden administration did not comment on the grant specifics and whether the money comes with any accountability measures or conditions. A spokesman for the high speed rail agency said workers are making progress on infrastructure like viaducts that need to be in place before tracks can be laid.

Comments

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1 FIRST !!!

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 11:05 AM (V13WU)

2 another beautiful state ruined by dems

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 11:07 AM (V13WU)

3 I have no sympathy to spare for those behind enemy lines.

Posted by: Next2Nothing at December 09, 2023 11:07 AM (tA1/w)

4 Phone rings after Sabbath over in Jerusalem. Close friend's son in moderate condition after being wounded in firefight in Gaza. Flown into central Israel hospital.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 09, 2023 11:08 AM (PTdof)

5 Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 09, 2023 11:08 AM (PTdof)

May he get well soon and be on his feet in no time !

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 11:09 AM (V13WU)

6 Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 09, 2023 11:08 AM

Prayers

Posted by: KT at December 09, 2023 11:10 AM (rrtZS)

7 I lived in CA for about 7 years after college. CA is possibly the most geographically blessed place on the continent if not on the planet. And I couldn't live there now.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 09, 2023 11:11 AM (nfrXX)

8 Thanks.
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My first thought was "The process is the punishment".
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The chaos - not just in the US - sure seems intentional. Need to smoke out the string pullers and woodchip them.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 09, 2023 11:13 AM (PTdof)

9 CA is very beautiful. I did not see all of it , and that was many years ago. I remember Sausalito and Redwood Park with giant sequoias. And even San Fran looked good, way back then....

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 11:14 AM (V13WU)

10 4 Phone rings after Sabbath over in Jerusalem. Close friend's son in moderate condition after being wounded in firefight in Gaza. Flown into central Israel hospital.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 09, 2023 11:08 AM (PTdof)

relieved he's in hospital. I know there's a heck of a lot of fighting going on right now, but you wouldn't know it from American media. American media is useful if you want to find out Taylor Swift concert dates - for anything else it's useless.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 11:14 AM (i9ffA)

11 Gavin Newsom seems to be deluded about how competent he is--kind of like the Senile Old Bastard.

Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 09, 2023 11:16 AM (hCt6Y)

12 7 I lived in CA for about 7 years after college. CA is possibly the most geographically blessed place on the continent if not on the planet. And I couldn't live there now.
Posted by: Oddbob at December 09, 2023 11:11 AM (nfrXX)

Someone yesterday was opining that in America, you can live where the weather is perfect and the scenery incredible, but you have to live under a communist dictatorship. Or you can live where it's hot all the time or in a swamp, but you get to be Free.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 11:17 AM (i9ffA)

13 "US President Joe Biden has given Israel until the end of the year to finish its war against Hamas, three anonymous officials in Tel Aviv said, POLITICO reported on Friday.
POLITICO noted that this timeline had been advanced by Secretary of State Antony Blinken during his recent visit to Israel, but that National Security Advisor Jon Finer had said on Thursday that a hard deadline on the war will not be imposed by the US administration."

I hope the Israeli war cabinet is ignoring that DEI appointee and his stupid demands. he is way over his head.

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 11:18 AM (V13WU)

14 'I'm sorry, but I don't understand why the person in charge of the EDD at this time would even be considered for promotion to the federal system.'

That's because your idea of merit is different than that of the democrat party.

Your idea: Government is doing well when it helps citizens.
Their idea: Government is doing well when it helps the democrat party, preferably at the expense of non-democrats.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2023 11:19 AM (roH4R)

15 Adam Carolla hs been talking about this for 15 years. Nothing new.

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 11:19 AM (d3Zv7)

16 Part of the problem is that those that actually make decisions and do the work are not reachable in any situation, and the people who answer the phones have no ability do do anything but make notes in a database and have very limited time between calls to actually make those notes, because for some reason they can't find enough people to man the phones.

And the management staff is all BFFs of the people above them so no change, criticism or actual fact travels the chain.
even where there are dueling groups trying to gain control over the office, all that accomplishes is that they never communicate to cripple each other.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 09, 2023 11:19 AM (D7oie)

17 NorCal Sierra Foothills Lurker's story sound like Franz Kafka material. A system like that seems designed to drive a man to madness and despair.
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Just for kicks I, after listening to that Kingston Trio song -- about Charlie, the man who never returned because he didnt know they'd raised the fare and he was short a nickel -- I looked up Boston subway fates today, and found this.

"The ticket or pass you choose will largely depend on your travel needs, but all one-way rides on the T cost $2.40. While you can pay with cash at street-level trolley stops, underground subway stations will require you to use...

...a CharlieCard or CharlieTicket."

Get the fuck out. 😂

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 09, 2023 11:20 AM (/QIWP)

18 Willowed:
Some of these are just cringe-inducing.

https://tinyurl.com/2nzpm3vt

I'm pretty sure these folks are candidates for work in CA.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 09, 2023 11:20 AM (CsUN+)

19
Someone yesterday was opining that in America, you can live where the weather is perfect and the scenery incredible, but you have to live under a communist dictatorship. Or you can live where it's hot all the time or in a swamp, but you get to be Free.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 11:17 AM (i9ffA)

Plenty of wide open places in the mountain west where it’s neither perfect weather or a swamp or communist.

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 11:21 AM (d3Zv7)

20 Economic reality bites as Newsom faces a big California budget problem

And those numbers don't include California's unfunded pension liability of $1.5 trillion dollars (state & local governments).

A $58 billion shortfall is trivial, compared to that.

Posted by: The Left! at December 09, 2023 11:22 AM (YAtuc)

21 "US President Joe Biden has given Israel until the end of the year to finish its war against Hamas, three anonymous officials in Tel Aviv said, POLITICO reported on Friday.
POLITICO noted that this timeline had been advanced by Secretary of State Antony Blinken during his recent visit to Israel, but that National Security Advisor Jon Finer had said on Thursday that a hard deadline on the war will not be imposed by the US administration."

What does that even mean? "You have until the end of the year, but it's not a hard deadline."

Left unsaid is "or what?". This has about as many teeth as Obama's red line.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 09, 2023 11:22 AM (CsUN+)

22 Gavin Newsom seems to be deluded about how competent he is--kind of like the Senile Old Bastard.
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 09, 2023 11:16 AM (hCt6Y)

Think on this: Newsom is the most well known, cleanest, most effective, most charismatic face that his faction can find to put forward as an alternate candidate to Biden.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 09, 2023 11:22 AM (D7oie)

23 Decades ago Mr. and Ms. Gorbachov visited CA and SF in particular and said that it was all so nice that people that live here should pay a special tax just for the privilege. The local pols agreed with them and it's been downhill ever since. The latest insult is that I, the homeowner must fill out paperwork to prove that I don't have tenants. I chucked it in the trash. I suppose at some point some asshole with a lanyard and a clipboard will show up at my door. I hate assholes with lanyards and clipboards. Other than that I like it here.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 09, 2023 11:23 AM (MeG8a)

24 Everybody wants a hand out from Uncle Sugar.

Uncle Sugar is tired, broke, in debt and hung over.

Stop asking for phree shit from Uncle Sugar.

Posted by: Uncle Sugar at December 09, 2023 11:23 AM (R/m4+)

25 The letter by the unfortunate inmate of CA is based on the assumption that the CA EDD cares about providing service to her and her injured hubby.

It is a misguided assumption.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2023 11:23 AM (NReIw)

26 Cruz or his office responds to e-mails pretty well. Only once did I get a boiler plate response that somewhat addressed my inquiry but was obviously a press type release. The other 3 or 4 times he addressed my inquiry specifically.

Posted by: Drive By at December 09, 2023 11:24 AM (MNhXM)

27
Yet my husband who has worked steadily, paid his taxes, and been a good citizen and great person helping family member after family member who needed it, can't even get the disability payments he is owed by the state.

___________

Well, there you go. If he was a ten-times felon, five-times baby daddy who ran EBT scams, the state would be fluffing his pillow.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2023 11:24 AM (9mNHV)

28 It will all collapse one day...the when is the question.

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 11:24 AM (V13WU)

29 I’m 100% in the give no fucks camp about California (or New York, Illinois, etc). People are free to live wherever they want. If they choose to live in CA, then live with the consequences.

And yes I know there will be a bunch of reasons like family or work or whatever. Fine. It’s still a choice people are making. And with all life choices there are consequences.

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 11:24 AM (d3Zv7)

30 I suppose at some point some asshole with a lanyard and a clipboard will show up at my door. I hate assholes with lanyards and clipboards.

Assholes with lanyards and clipboards are the worst. OTOH, you could always say "Got a warrant?". No? GTF off my land.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 09, 2023 11:25 AM (CsUN+)

31 Having been born and raised in SoCal, my life has become a race between my diminishing ability to isolate myself and my lifestyle from the ever-increasing, ever more intrusive invasions of our lunatic Leftard legislature and the time I have left before I shuffle off this mortal coil.

It gets harder to live here relatively unmolested each year but in my circumstances the practicalities of moving out of state are daunting.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 09, 2023 11:25 AM (hiMh5)

32 Gavin Newsom seems to be deluded about how competent he is--kind of like the Senile Old Bastard.
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 09, 2023 11:16 AM (hCt6Y)

Think on this: Newsom is the most well known, cleanest, most effective, most charismatic face that his faction can find to put forward as an alternate candidate to Biden.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 09, 2023 11:22 AM (D7oie)

Did you see the poll on whether Biden was a better President than Washington? The Left have a large percentage who are clinically insane.

Posted by: Drive By at December 09, 2023 11:26 AM (MNhXM)

33 Here are my questions- All the people who voted against Newsom have left the state, or is it like NJ where people have left the state because of high taxes and congestion and stupid Democrat policies, or it's also to do-like NJ- with voting fraud and the fact that the more conservative areas in CA are outweighed by city Democrat votes?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 11:26 AM (RSbhh)

34 I’m 100% in the give no fucks camp about California (or New York, Illinois, etc). People are free to live wherever they want. If they choose to live in CA, then live with the consequences.

The problem is that we will have to pay for their idiocy. See the train to nowhere. Do you really think Biden won't bail them out?

Posted by: Archimedes at December 09, 2023 11:26 AM (CsUN+)

35 relieved he's in hospital..
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 11:14 AM (i9ffA)
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Yep. My first thought when the call came.

Watch the video here:

https://www.inn.co.il/news/622540

This is absurd! Why isn't everything flattened? We're sacrificing our own kids here! For what?

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 09, 2023 11:27 AM (PTdof)

36 As Milton Friedman said, "If the government were in charge if the Sahara desert there would be a shortage of sand in 5 years"

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 09, 2023 11:27 AM (RugLi)

37 It gets harder to live here relatively unmolested each year but in my circumstances the practicalities of moving out of state are daunting.
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as for most responsible people, I imagine. so it's a sacrifice on the part of those who are staying, for the sake of family, elderly parents etc. something that a few here fail to grasp in their profound selfishness.

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 11:28 AM (V13WU)

38 Newsom is a lounge lizard greaseball. I'm sure he has a pair of leather pants.

Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 09, 2023 11:28 AM (hCt6Y)

39
The problem is that we will have to pay for their idiocy. See the train to nowhere. Do you really think Biden won't bail them out?
Posted by: Archimedes at December 09, 2023 11:26 AM (CsUN+)

I agree in the macro sense and the example you provided.

I’m talking at the micro, Individual level. Everyone has a choice whether to live there or not. And if they choose to live there, I kinda don’t care about their complaints.

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 11:28 AM (d3Zv7)

40
Wine moms want to bear Newsom's child.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2023 11:28 AM (9mNHV)

41 Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 11:28 AM (d3Zv7)

Thanks. We got your point when you first made it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 11:30 AM (RSbhh)

42 The Hudson Valley in NY is also beautiful and I loved living there but the Left did their best to ruin that too.

Posted by: Drive By at December 09, 2023 11:30 AM (MNhXM)

43 Hunter Biden called Elon Musk a “very damaged human being”.

He's mad, because everyone knows that the key function of social media is to suppress accurate but unflattering news about Hunter.

The other social media companies know that - why doesn't X?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 11:31 AM (YAtuc)

44 I don't consider TX or FL low tax states. I have friends in both places, and sure, it's low taxes if you rent. But if you own property the taxes are very much higher than what I pay.
Thank you Howard Jarvis and Prop. 13.
Gasoline is expensive but I seldom drive anymore.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 09, 2023 11:32 AM (MeG8a)

45 Hunter Biden called Elon Musk a “very damaged human being”.

Hunter's one to talk.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 11:33 AM (RSbhh)

46 I see now that our Legislature, in its infinite sagacity, experience and wisdom, is now dictating to CA toy retailers how they must merchandise their toys. Having a Boys section and a Girls section is declared verboten.

Because reasons.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 09, 2023 11:33 AM (hiMh5)

47 Deloitte. And unnamed others. Any possibility that there was some illegal activity going on with the State's contractors? Or are they all just really, really incompetent?

Judging from observations with several State of Texas departments and Deloitte, I'm going with incompetent, merging into malfeasance.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 09, 2023 11:34 AM (a3Q+t)

48 Hunter Biden called Elon Musk a “very damaged human being”………

Musk says he’ll meet you in the Octagon.

Posted by: Drive By at December 09, 2023 11:34 AM (MNhXM)

49 Gavin Newsom seems to be deluded about how competent he is--kind of like the Senile Old Bastard.

Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 09, 2023 11:16 AM (hCt6Y)

In other words, leftist.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2023 11:35 AM (VwHCD)

50 Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 09, 2023 11:32 AM (MeG8

The price of real estate cancels out the property tax comparison .

Posted by: Drive By at December 09, 2023 11:36 AM (MNhXM)

51 But if you own property the taxes are very much higher than what I pay.

But the value of an equivalent house is much lower (especially in Texas), so even if the property tax rate is higher, the tax paid is the same.

No state income tax is a big, big, deal.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 11:36 AM (YAtuc)

52 Yep. My first thought when the call came.

Watch the video here:

https://www.inn.co.il/news/622540

This is absurd! Why isn't everything flattened? We're sacrificing our own kids here! For what?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 09, 2023 11:27 AM (PTdof)

Intense clip, thanks for the link.

What I have been able to read from Israeli sources posting on X (twitter) - and there is a lot of official information that *only* shows up there, surprisingly - is that rather than flattening everything, the IDF has chosen to painstakingly search *every* house and structure, especially in Jaballiah and Khan Younis, where were Hamas strongholds. It is taking quite some time. They are collecting information, documents, and weapons and keeping everything.

They have already reported that in Jabaliyah, almost *every* private house had a rocket launcher of some sort set up and hidden somewhere on its grounds. There are literally thousands of them. And almost *every* house was stocked with arms, ammunition, and explosives.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 11:39 AM (i9ffA)

53 Is Jack Smith bein extorted to pursue Trump?

https://is.gd/40GY5r

This could be huge news.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 09, 2023 11:39 AM (/QIWP)

54 Somebody's getting worried...

BREAKING: Hamas government office calls on 'the UN Security Council, the international community and all countries around the world to end this brutal war and save the Gaza Strip before it is too late'

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 11:39 AM (YAtuc)

55 No state income tax is a big, big, deal.
Posted by: The ARC of History!

*Cough TN Cough*

Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2023 11:40 AM (NReIw)

56 Gasoline is expensive but I seldom drive anymore.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 09, 2023 11:32 AM (MeG8a)

Which is what your states government always wanted.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 11:40 AM (i9ffA)

57 True, the only reason my property taxes are low is because we haven't moved since we bought in 1989.
My property taxes are less than $4k per year.
I pay next to nothing in state tax, mainly because we are all olds here, everyone is retired.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 09, 2023 11:41 AM (MeG8a)

58 The standard line I have heard on government lines is: "In order to keep wait times within legislatively mandated limits we are not accepting new customers in the queue." followed by "click"

The reasoning of a bureaucrat. In their view they are compliant with the mandated wait times.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 09, 2023 11:41 AM (991eG)

59 And almost *every* house was stocked with arms, ammunition, and explosives.

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Your tax dollars at work.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 09, 2023 11:42 AM (hiMh5)

60 I wrote to Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL) a few times, and found the responses to be so, well, non-responsive, that I just stopped. All they have to do is copy and paste a few words from my letter into their canned response.

But, no, can't even fake caring

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 09, 2023 11:42 AM (O7LjP)

61 How is it the people who commit fraud can run rings around the bureaucracy but the people who pay for it can't get the services they pay for?

I don't know if it's intentional, but it's a peculiar brand of incompetence.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 09, 2023 11:42 AM (z+89e)

62 BREAKING: Hamas government office calls on 'the UN Security Council, the international community and all countries around the world to end this brutal war and save the Gaza Strip before it is too late'
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 11:39 AM (YAtuc)

They're really, really angry that the US killed the big UN security council resolution yesterday. Of course the problem with always dialing up your anger to eleven is that when you're always enraged about everything, it doesn't really matter what they do so they're better off ignoring you completely..

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 11:42 AM (i9ffA)

63 "THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) – A Syrian refugee was arrested Friday in the Netherlands on suspicion of crimes against humanity including sexual violence while he was allegedly head of an interrogation team in a militia aligned to the government of President Bashar Assad."

This is interesting. for a number of l reasons. One, sexual violence is treated as crime against humanity, two " the Netherlands can prosecute certain crimes even if they were committed abroad", three, The Netherlands is crawling with palis. This suspect arrived as an asylum seeker.

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 11:44 AM (V13WU)

64 61 How is it the people who commit fraud can run rings around the bureaucracy but the people who pay for it can't get the services they pay for?

I don't know if it's intentional, but it's a peculiar brand of incompetence.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 09, 2023 11:42 AM (z+89e)

Realize that the fraudsters are the Friends and Family of the Bureaucrats, and that they kick back at least half of what they get, and it all makes sense.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 11:45 AM (i9ffA)

65 Folks, remember last week's Arlington VA house kaboom?

Read on:

https://tinyurl.com/3sme9y72

(Nitter)

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 09, 2023 11:45 AM (PTdof)

66 It can be lunch time , so reading content

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2023 11:45 AM (9QD1r)

67 I can relate to the uselessness of California government. I bought a used pickup truck in the state, then after some period of time drove it to West Virginia and re-registered it there, got tags and insurance. Wrote the California DMV and told them to remove the vehicle from their records.

About a year after this I get a delinquency notice from the CA DMV... mailed to me in Kentucky. They want their vehicle tax and tell me they'll pull the registration if I don't pay.

My letter, in short, was "The vehicle isn't registered in CA anymore. Pound sand. I wrote you about this change a year ago."

I got several more "pay up" notices before they stopped.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2023 11:45 AM (Q4IgG)

68 BREAKING: Hamas government office calls on 'the UN Security Council, the international community and all countries around the world to end this brutal war and save the Gaza Strip before it is too late'
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 11:39 AM (YAtuc)

Before it is too late and they run out of human shields 11!!11

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 11:45 AM (V13WU)

69 I don't even bother to write to my two Democrat senators that the Georgia GOP got elected.

Posted by: fd at December 09, 2023 11:46 AM (vFG9F)

70 Our circumstances are largely due to luck. One day it will all change, I'm sure. But, for now it'll have to do.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 09, 2023 11:46 AM (MeG8a)

71 And almost *every* house was stocked with arms, ammunition, and explosives.

A little bit of fire bombing and the place would like a fireworks display.

Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 09, 2023 11:47 AM (hCt6Y)

72 Jared Polis is just like Gavin Newsome, only pudgier, homelier, balder, gayer and less likely to be nominated to run for President Otherwise exactly the same.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 09, 2023 11:47 AM (991eG)

73 *Cough TN Cough*

Even more amusingly, Washington, right across the river from Portland, has no income tax, despite Washington being a blue state.

It would require a vote of the people to allow an income tax, and it always loses by huge margins when on the ballot. "No, no, only rich people will pay the income tax, not you!"

The legislature did pass a capital gains tax that only 7,000 people would pay - the guy who would have paid a big chunk of the state capital gains tax, Jeff Bezos, promptly moved to Florida in response.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 11:47 AM (YAtuc)

74 I grew up in Illinois and always considered California the land of glamour and dreams. When I graduated college I couldn’t believe I got a job offer in LA; I took it. I ended up in SoCal 30+ years until moving to Texas a few years ago. For many years California was a dream; what a great place to live…. Beaches mountains LA. But about 10 years ago really started to notice decay; then covid greatly accelerated the decay. By the time we left I was relieved to get out. Very sad really because it used to be paradise on earth until people like Gavin Newsom ruined it….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 09, 2023 11:48 AM (xT8gx)

75 When they fail, kick them up to the federal level!

You talking to me?
--Kamala Harris
--Pete Butegieg
--Barack Obama

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 09, 2023 11:48 AM (O7LjP)

76 I just read one of the funniest threads I've seen in a while on X;

https://tinyurl.com/nakva657

It's the replies that are funny - this girl actually thinks that the Maccabees invaded Athens:

Jane🔻🍉@halfofmw
Today, I learned that the Jewish holiday "Hanukkah" is about the Jewish victory over the Greeks. Did you know that Jews also fought against Greece?
It's not about Hamas; it’s not about Palestine. They always wanted to conquer the entire world. Crazy
#Palestine #Hanukkah #jewish

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 11:48 AM (i9ffA)

77 Folks, remember last week's Arlington VA house kaboom?

Read on:

https://tinyurl.com/3sme9y72

(Nitter)

==

who is taking them out ??

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 11:49 AM (V13WU)

78 as for most responsible people, I imagine. so it's a sacrifice on the part of those who are staying, for the sake of family, elderly parents etc. something that a few here fail to grasp in their profound selfishness.
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 11:28 AM (V13WU)

You take the whole damned family with you. Or cut them off. Would you stay in Gaza, if Granny refused to leave?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 11:49 AM (yLuBw)

79 You take the whole damned family with you. Or cut them off. Would you stay in Gaza, if Granny refused to leave?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 11:49 AM (yLuBw)

is that what we call a Straw Man 'round here parts ?

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 11:50 AM (V13WU)

80 Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 11:39 AM (i9ffA)
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The price(s) for such tidbits is absurd.

Of course there's an RPG in every building! That's not news.

Gaza - every last centimeter of it - should have been pulverized within days of 10/7 and then declared sovereign Israeli land forever. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 09, 2023 11:51 AM (PTdof)

81 One of the most prominent Antifa people in Portland is proudly Syrian, and is a big supporter of Hezbollah and Hamas on social media. She was actively celebrating October 7th on social media, while the slaughter of Jews was still going on.

It turns out that this has consequences:

Anddd again… over an hour just to check into my flight, then had to wait for an officer to escort me to security, then I got interrogated which is very not normal for a domestic flight, then after extra security, a pat down and swiping my skin for explosive residue, they made me wait for an explosives specialist who tested my deodorant and dumped out all my cosmetics & toiletries after checking all my items one by one. Dehumanizing as hell

fyi this has been happening to me since before any legal issues, it has nothing to do with my trial and everything to do with racism. It wasn't this bad when I was flying pre October 7th. I'd get additional security & the SSSS marking but never this extreme.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 11:51 AM (YAtuc)

82 hiya

Posted by: JT at December 09, 2023 11:51 AM (T4tVD)

83
The other social media companies know that - why doesn't X?
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 11:31 AM (YAtuc)

Imagine having a literal team of Federal Agents covering up your debauchery, but you are so out of control the entire world has seen you weighing out cocaine with hookers.

That guy is a time bomb.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 09, 2023 11:52 AM (z+89e)

84 and what the heck kind of tree dwellers are those?

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 09, 2023 11:52 AM (z+89e)

85 The money will help buy sixty electric cars for cronies and bankroll vacations and college for Democrats children

KT fixed it for you

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2023 11:53 AM (9QD1r)

86 I’ve lived in several states. Some red some blue. My conclusion is taxes don’t differ that much in the end. What changes is how they get you. Some have high property but low income. Or vice versa. High sales tax but no income. And so on. But in the end it pretty much balances out. And there are so many hidden taxes that you don’t really notice which the “low tax” states come up with to generate revenue.

CA,NY and IL are excluded from this since they are so off the charts.

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 11:54 AM (d3Zv7)

87 My property taxes are less than $4k per year.
I pay next to nothing in state tax, mainly because we are all olds here, everyone is retired.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 09, 2023 11:41 AM (MeG8a)

I am paying property tax on two homes, one in Alberta, and one in Arizona, and the total of the two is a tad over 3000 dollars.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 11:55 AM (yLuBw)

88 36 As Milton Friedman said, "If the government were in charge if the Sahara desert there would be a shortage of sand in 5 years"
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 09, 2023 11:27 AM (RugLi)

***********

Challenge accepted!

Posted by: Joe Biden and Gavin Newsome at December 09, 2023 11:55 AM (xxG/v)

89 That guy is a time bomb.

And he's obviously back using cocaine.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 11:56 AM (YAtuc)

90 am paying property tax on two homes, one in Alberta, and one in Arizona, and the total of the two is a tad over 3000 dollars.

==

You live in fkng Canada ?? And you are lecturing us here ?!! damn , man you have a lot of nerve !

🤓

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 11:56 AM (V13WU)

91 The money will help buy six electric trains and bankroll construction and design of a train station and other facilities...

Heh.

Our governor awhile back decided the Washington State ferry system needed an upgrade so they bought the engines first. Turns out they did t fit the current boats, nor the new boats they were going to buy.
This is what happens when the engine makers make nice-nice with that purchasing group, and the boat makers make nice-nice with a different purchasing group. These idiots can't even coordinate their graft.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2023 11:56 AM (W/lyH)

92 The political leaders in this country, especially in the Democrat party but not limited to it, need to start fearing tar and feathers once again.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at December 09, 2023 11:57 AM (xxG/v)

93 They will never run those trains.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 09, 2023 11:57 AM (tZYbS)

94 My conclusion is taxes don’t differ that much in the end.

If you are an affluent professional, and you can move yourself and your job from Oregon to Washington (Oregon makes you pay Oregon income tax if you work in Oregon), the tax savings will pay for the mortgage on your house.

It's not a trivial level of savings.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 11:58 AM (YAtuc)

95 The political leaders in this country, especially in the Democrat party but not limited to it, need to start fearing tar and feathers once again.
Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at December 09, 2023 11:57 AM (xxG/v)
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You are too kind.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 09, 2023 11:59 AM (PTdof)

96 Someone yesterday was opining that in America, you can live where the weather is perfect and the scenery incredible, but you have to live under a communist dictatorship. Or you can live where it's hot all the time or in a swamp, but you get to be Free.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 11:17 AM (i9ffA)

I'm considering moving back to Missouri. But the weather sux! In summer it's hot... AND it's a swamp! Sort of.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 11:59 AM (QBaJw)

97 I used to email my Representative a lot. Now he doesn't accept emails.

I guess calling him a useless turd, with facts and figures, was wearing on him.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 11:59 AM (aD39U)

98 While you are patting yourself on the back for not living there, consider that you have surrendered valuable real estate to the enemy without any thought to what that means. At least the folks staying there are trying to fight.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 09, 2023 11:59 AM (t0dV9)

99 I haven't seen a lot of talk anywhere about the Gavin v. DeSantis debate. Other than someone said Gavin's lost whatever shine he had before it.

I don't know.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:00 PM (QBaJw)

100 Reading lonk about Kaboom House, packed with explosives is only other option why the roof went into a neighborhood yard

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2023 12:00 PM (9QD1r)

101 During my working years the thing that angered me the most was state taxes due in multiple states. I travelled a lot, worked in TX, NY, IL, VA, MA, even Norway. Some years I filed tax forms in 3 or 4 states and CA still wants its $ no matter where I earned it.
THAT was infuriating.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 09, 2023 12:01 PM (MeG8a)

102 Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 11:51 AM (YAtuc)

Granted, some poor FBI schlubs are monitoring us on here, but I am amazed at what people put on social media. Israel is brutally attacked and this woman is celebrating the death of-what is it, 1400? It did not occur to her that this might result in her being given extra security at the airport? Her hatred is not matched by her brainpower.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 12:01 PM (RSbhh)

103 Could not afford the property taxes and could not affiord to buy anything. After after spending about $15,000 to evict the squatters off the river property and start to clean up their mess, I was happy to leave.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 09, 2023 12:02 PM (t0dV9)

104 Oh, as I have mentioned a couple of times already, I got a $300 tax rebate check from the state of Alabama this week because the state managed to run a surplus.

Most places they would have just kept the money.

We may not have a lot of teeth here but we do have flashes of real governance.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 12:02 PM (aD39U)

105 If you are an affluent professional, and you can move yourself and your job from Oregon to Washington (Oregon makes you pay Oregon income tax if you work in Oregon), the tax savings will pay for the mortgage on your house.

It's not a trivial level of savings.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 11:58 AM (YAtuc)

Oregon will tax you if you they think you live in Oregon, for example if you try to get out of the Washington automobile tax by registering your car in Oregon when you live in WA

I have no idea what they do if you drive someone's car if they live in Oregon and you keep it for them in Washington though.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 09, 2023 12:03 PM (D7oie)

106 While you are patting yourself on the back for not living there, consider that you have surrendered valuable real estate to the enemy without any thought to what that means. At least the folks staying there are trying to fight.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 09, 2023 11:59 AM (t0dV9)

People move for a variety of reasons. Who am I to judge folks exercising their prerogative? When I moved I did so to be close to children. Family is much more important than making a political statement

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 09, 2023 12:03 PM (xT8gx)

107 Every representative has a local office. Don't bother with email. Letter or phone to Washington. Call the local offices often and give those staffers hell, nicely.

I learned this .from experience

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2023 12:03 PM (CT6DJ)

108 Sounds like the California EDD claim was done via snail mail? Usually this is all done online and handled quickly. Doctor should have sent in the request for disability.
Guys in the trade I work in qualify for the full amount of disability. The full amount for a year, not working, is 55k tax free. All you need is a schiesty doctor(usually a chiropractor), sends in the necessary forms to EDD and then you get your stuff online and youre good to go.

Posted by: JROD at December 09, 2023 12:03 PM (IlL6s)

109 I should relate my experience with the DMV. It would take too long, and is so bizarre as to be unbelievable. Surreal, really, fraught with Catch-22's. Every irresolvable FUBAR was met with a 'That's the way our system works' response by whichever powerless bureaucrat I finally managed to contact.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2023 12:04 PM (XeU6L)

110 At least the folks staying there are trying to fight.

When I bought a house, I moved out of Portland to a suburban county, because voters in Portland's county have never found a tax they didn't like.

It's all very well talking about "staying and fighting", but if you live in an area that's 85% Left-wing, you will just be effed over financially, and your political views will be suppressed.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 12:04 PM (YAtuc)

111 Oregon has no sales tax. WA’s sales tax is as high as 10% depending on county/city. And gas in WA is an extra $1 a gallon on average. And property tax is somewhat higher as well.

It all balances out.

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 12:05 PM (d3Zv7)

112 Her hatred is not matched by her brainpower.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 12:01 PM (RSbhh)

Portland Antifa has been given every courtesy, benefit, excuse, support and get out of jail free card available. It is not unexpected that . . . Whatever it is . . . Feels as untouchable as Hunter Biden

Posted by: Kindltot at December 09, 2023 12:05 PM (D7oie)

113 I noticed that various rebates and other largesse normally comes before the ruling class increases taxes, or before an election.

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 12:05 PM (V13WU)

114 Whether Brandon runs again or not, Newsome is our next President. Get used to that smiling face.

Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 09, 2023 12:05 PM (0FoWg)

115 While you are patting yourself on the back for not living there, consider that you have surrendered valuable real estate to the enemy without any thought to what that means. At least the folks staying there are trying to fight.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 09, 2023 11:59 AM (t0dV9)

Fighting what? How?

There's a lot of talk of confiscating assets. And I don't believe this is idle talk, it's just a question of time before they have enough power to do it. Individual home owners, with retirement accounts, and other assets, I just don't know what they think they're going to be able to do to stop this from coming.

Writing to one's "representative" or voting don't seem to have much effect. Nor does going to court. I mean, maybe that's the tipping point, once courts are sufficiently in the hands of the fascists, they'll just do whatever they want. Fighting them is either going to have to be literal, with real blood, or I don't see a path to success.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:06 PM (QBaJw)

116 Ideally live in Vancouver, WA with no income tax and then shop across the river in OR and pay no sales tax. That’s the ultimate arbitrage.

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 12:06 PM (d3Zv7)

117 I’ve lived in several states. Some red some blue. My conclusion is taxes don’t differ that much in the end. What changes is how they get you. Some have high property but low income. Or vice versa. High sales tax but no income. And so on. But in the end it pretty much balances out. And there are so many hidden taxes that you don’t really notice which the “low tax” states come up with to generate revenue.

CA,NY and IL are excluded from this since they are so off the charts.

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 11:54 AM (d3Zv7)

Sometimes you have to look at the wages thing too. Some areas are low tax, but also lower wages. Gee, my taxes here are 5K lower. Right, hows the 20K a year less in wages working out for you? I have seen that a lot.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2023 12:07 PM (VwHCD)

118 I remember when I first moved back to Alabama seeing that, out of our then $6B state budget, $5B went to schools. Literally every other service of the state ran on the remaining $900M.

I am sure that our budget is higher now but I will bet the proportions are about the same.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 12:07 PM (aD39U)

119 Granted, some poor FBI schlubs are monitoring us on here, but I am amazed at what people put on social media. Israel is brutally attacked and this woman is celebrating the death of-what is it, 1400? It did not occur to her that this might result in her being given extra security at the airport? Her hatred is not matched by her brainpower.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 12:01 PM (RSbhh)

There's a huge online attack against Bari Weiss going on right now - not that I think she's all that great, but she's been very pro-Israel. A month ago she had a twitter fight with some Palestinian twitter user who was making fun of the babies killed by Hamas (disgusting thread) She said something like she hoped the IDF would find him and hold him responsible for his words. Well a couple days ago the IDF bombed his house in Gaza and killed him and everyone in it (HA!) and now all his friends online are saying that Bari Weiss directed a hit on him because they know that the IDF takes orders directly from her.

Some of the biggest twitter fights get really insane.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 12:07 PM (i9ffA)

120 Oregon will tax you if you they think you live in Oregon, for example if you try to get out of the Washington automobile tax by registering your car in Oregon when you live in WA

Yeah, you actually have to move - WA driver's license, car registration, bank accounts, etc.

The amusing thing is that you don't have to pay Oregon income tax on days that you don't set foot in Oregon, so if you can WFH in Washington two days a week, that cuts your Oregon tax bill by 40%.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 12:08 PM (YAtuc)

121 Yep. My first thought when the call came.

Watch the video here:

https://www.inn.co.il/news/622540

This is absurd! Why isn't everything flattened? We're sacrificing our own kids here! For what?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 09, 2023 11:27 AM (PTdof)
***

To flatten everything isn't practical as it would require a lot of munitions that would be better spent killing hamas, and would literally blockade everything. That would extend the war by slowing the IDF advance.
Nice technique though by the squad. Notice how they don't hug the walls? Bullets follow walls. Stay a foot or so off the wall when advancing down the street.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2023 12:08 PM (W/lyH)

122 Fight? What fight? The fight is over. This is the part where you run for it.

Or don't. Up to you. But I'd advise you bolt for wherever you have the best chance of riding the storm out.

Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 09, 2023 12:09 PM (0FoWg)

123 While you are patting yourself on the back for not living there, consider that you have surrendered valuable real estate to the enemy without any thought to what that means. At least the folks staying there are trying to fight.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 09, 2023 11:59 AM (t0dV9)

I’m Not patting myself on the back. I’m saying everyone makes choices. But many here want to live a world where choices come without consequences. I’d like to live in a Cali beach town. Sure who wouldn’t. But I don’t because I don’t want to live with the madness of California. Others choose to live there because the positives outweighs the negatives. There’s no right or wrong answer.

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 12:09 PM (d3Zv7)

124 is that what we call a Straw Man 'round here parts ?
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 11:50 AM (V13WU)

No. It's just an analogy. California isn't Gaza...yet. But it's trending that way. If your personal situation is a place becomes untenable, unass the place. Hold a family council with the old folks, and lay it on the line: "My generation is the one working, and bringing in the bacon. I'm happy to help support you. But the coming crunch of high taxes, and growing unemployment means that is doomed to change if we remain here. Our best option to survive as a family is to sell out here, while our property still has value, and decamp to Texas or Florida, where we can all live a better life."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:09 PM (RymA+)

125 Members of The Horde consider
the sorry state of California government...

Hey! I thought pixs were verboten. OPSEC and stuff.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2023 12:10 PM (W/lyH)

126 So anyway, moving to Alabama is not a bad idea for Moron retirement.

You will have to pick Alabama or Auburn as your team as soon as you cross the state line.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 12:10 PM (aD39U)

127 99 I haven't seen a lot of talk anywhere about the Gavin v. DeSantis debate. Other than someone said Gavin's lost whatever shine he had before it.

I don't know.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:00 PM (QBaJw)

The Democrats were in a panic next day, and after that the MSM agreed not to talk about it anymore. Everything Gavin said, DeSantis was able to pull up facts and figures to prove he was lying. The next day Gavin claimed that DeSantis was allowed to "Cheat" because he used facts and figures. Gavin looked like a clown who had not done 30 seconds worth of preparation for it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 12:11 PM (i9ffA)

128 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:09 PM (RymA+)

DUDE ! You spend time between a Dem run state and Canada....

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 12:11 PM (V13WU)

129 Phone rings after Sabbath over in Jerusalem. Close friend's son in moderate condition after being wounded in firefight in Gaza. Flown into central Israel hospital.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 09, 2023 11:08 AM (PTdof)

My prayers with the son and his family. May God bless them and grant them victory.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2023 12:12 PM (W/lyH)

130 War Eagle!

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 09, 2023 12:12 PM (NBVIP)

131 AOP lives in Alberta which is the Texas of Canada. So presumably his taxes aren’t too bad.

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 12:12 PM (d3Zv7)

132 It did not occur to her that this might result in her being given extra security at the airport? Her hatred is not matched by her brainpower.

She's still facing felony riot and assault charges from two years ago, because she assaulted someone with bear spray at a riot (one of her friends helpfully videoed the assault and uploaded it to YouTube).

The dumb bint did this in a suburban county, so the DA is not dropping the charges, unlike Portland.

She keeps putting off the trial, hoping that the charges will be dropped. LOL.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 12:12 PM (YAtuc)

133 Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 12:07 PM (i9ffA)

I don't think the IDF takes orders from her, but I'm sure lots of people monitor Twitter. I'm glad Musk has it running, but I am very selective as to what I read on there, and I don't post there.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 12:12 PM (RSbhh)

134 I left CA in 1977. I was sorry to leave friends but I could see the had writing on the wall. It was an ll Democrat controlled State. And washington should not be sending them a nickle of other Americans money.

Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 12:12 PM (A5THL)

135 Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 12:12 PM (A5THL)

!!!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 12:13 PM (aD39U)

136 They said you was dead!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 12:14 PM (aD39U)

137 but I am amazed at what people put on social media. Israel is brutally attacked and this woman is celebrating the death of-what is it, 1400?

Her most incendiary statements on October 7th were posted in Arabic.

Because Google Translate doesn't exist.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 12:14 PM (YAtuc)

138 While you are patting yourself on the back for not living there, consider that you have surrendered valuable real estate to the enemy without any thought to what that means. At least the folks staying there are trying to fight.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 09, 2023 11:59 AM (t0dV9)

If there is no realistic prospect of throwing the Cali Donks out at the polls, what would you do? Staying there is not fighting; it's just treading water.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:14 PM (RymA+)

139 We had your funeral and everything.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 12:14 PM (aD39U)

140 Most places they would have just kept the money.

We may not have a lot of teeth here but we do have flashes of real governance.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 12:02 PM (aD39U)

Colorado has a law, they're required to give money back, called Tabor, I think.

Last I checked they were trying to repeal it. And may have done so. It's funny seeing nooz orgs talk about how evil it is for taxpayers to be getting money back.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:14 PM (QBaJw)

141
CA,NY and IL are excluded from this since they are so off the charts.
Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 11:54 AM (d3Zv7)

All Illinois has going for it is retirement income (SS, pensions, IRAs) are not taxed. Yet.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 09, 2023 12:14 PM (Ib1uS)

142 While you are patting yourself on the back for not living there, consider that you have surrendered valuable real estate to the enemy without any thought to what that means. At least the folks staying there are trying to fight.
Posted by: Notsothoreau
------

I agree with this. While I fully understand what might be called a strategic withdrawal (voting with your feet), it is ceding ground to the enemy. A pointless comment, I am afraid, because I cannot suggest a practical solution to the dilema.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2023 12:14 PM (XeU6L)

143 "Well a couple days ago the IDF bombed his house in Gaza and killed him and everyone in it (HA!) and now all his friends online are saying that Bari Weiss directed a hit on him because they know that the IDF takes orders directly from her."

************

The moral here is that Ms. Weiss needs to name some more Palestinians.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at December 09, 2023 12:15 PM (xxG/v)

144 Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 12:12 PM (YAtuc)

Well, if she's facing felony charges that was even a better reason not to go on Twitter and sound off.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 12:15 PM (RSbhh)

145 Vic lives! Viva Vic!

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 12:15 PM (i9ffA)

146 Ideally live in Vancouver, WA with no income tax and then shop across the river in OR and pay no sales tax. That’s the ultimate arbitrage.
Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 12:06 PM (d3Zv7)

Better if you learn Russian. It is, I think, the second most common language spoken there. Mrs.D went to Hudson's Bay HS.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2023 12:15 PM (W/lyH)

147 129 Phone rings after Sabbath over in Jerusalem. Close friend's son in moderate condition after being wounded in firefight in Gaza. Flown into central Israel hospital.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 09, 2023 11:08 AM (PTdof)

My prayers with the son and his family. May God bless them and grant them victory.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2023 12:12 PM (W/lyH)

*******

Same here. I hope that the son has a full, quick, and as pain-free recovery as possible.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at December 09, 2023 12:16 PM (xxG/v)

148 Or don't. Up to you. But I'd advise you bolt for wherever you have the best chance of riding the storm out.
Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 09, 2023 12:09 PM (0FoWg)

You just made me think of classic REO Speedwagon

https://tinyurl.com/4b7nedjw

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 09, 2023 12:16 PM (xT8gx)

149 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:09 PM (RymA+)

Here's a reason I love my wife. My brother came out for Thanksgiving. He's having a major disagreement with his wife. He wants to follow the rest of us on our exodus from Colorado to Appalachia. She doesn't because CO is her home, etc. usual emotional argument. It was all of our homes. No more.

I was talking with him about it when Lady YD intervened. "You should try to meet her halfway, whenever you can," she said, "but at the end of the day, you're the man in this relationship, and you know what's best for the family. I was scared to leave CO, too, but YD was right. We're all so much happier here. She needs to just trust you."

Sage wisdom.

Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 09, 2023 12:17 PM (0FoWg)

150 Diogenes,

I didn't get the chance to thank you for the two posts that you made in CBD's spot earlier this week. Both were very informative and I appreciate the work you put into them.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at December 09, 2023 12:17 PM (xxG/v)

151 Ideally live in Vancouver, WA with no income tax and then shop across the river in OR and pay no sales tax. That’s the ultimate arbitrage.
Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 12:06 PM (d3Zv7)

Just don't expect to cross the river on the I-5 bridge at rush hour.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:18 PM (RymA+)

152 Sage wisdom.
Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 09, 2023 12:17 PM (0FoWg)

Damned fine wife and life's partner there YD.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2023 12:19 PM (W/lyH)

153 Whether Brandon runs again or not, Newsome is our next President. Get used to that smiling face.
Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 09, 2023 12:05 PM (0FoWg)

I don't think we need more proof, but it will be interesting to see if they can manage to pull it off. Seems nobody likes the guy, and the more you see of him, the worse he looks.

But if he can be installed, then that will demonstrate quite clearly, I would think, we don't live in a democratic nation. We are a dictatorship. With pockets of liberty here and there, but the rule of DC touches everybody, to one extent or another.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:19 PM (QBaJw)

154 139 We had your funeral and everything.

https://youtu.be/F57lEaLaQKQ?

Posted by: Obligatory Seinfeld reference at December 09, 2023 12:20 PM (NBVIP)

155 Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 12:14 PM (YAtuc)

Yep; Brainpower does not match her hatred.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 12:20 PM (RSbhh)

156 Well, if she's facing felony charges that was even a better reason not to go on Twitter and sound off.

She is oblivious to the fact that being an open terrorist supporter and advocate of violence can be brought up at her sentencing hearing.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 09, 2023 12:20 PM (YAtuc)

157 Biden's Dog - Sounds like he is out of danger. One hopes so. Keeping you folks in my thoughts.

Still chuckling over the 'JAPs everywhere' comment on the 7th. I had no need of the acronym reference. There was this girl I dated...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2023 12:21 PM (XeU6L)

158 Years ago I wrote to my Senator asking him to endorse a specific bill.

Shortly thereafter I got a form letter back saying he opposed the bill.

Then I got another form letter saying he supported the bill.

Then he voted against the bill.

Note, this was not John Kerrey

Posted by: 18-1 at December 09, 2023 12:21 PM (XqcwY)

159 Is that first photo of the Mullahs in the wild?

Posted by: stv at December 09, 2023 12:21 PM (TIhaI)

160 We had your funeral and everything.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 12:14 PM (aD39U)

Seriously. Someone reported you mort and everyone put they fond remembrances in your virtual casket. It makes my day to know that we still have our Eldest and Fatherless among us.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 12:22 PM (aD39U)

161 The left really, really has taken as a given that their violence and direct calls to violence are "free speech"

The problem for them here is that they are targeting part of their own leftist coalition for genocide, not conservatives, and so they are getting called on their actions in a way they never have before.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 09, 2023 12:23 PM (XqcwY)

162 DUDE ! You spend time between a Dem run state and Canada....
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 12:11 PM (V13WU)

And I am retired, so no income tax at all in AZ, and little taxable income in Canada. I don't think AZ is a total loss yet, and as a non-resident, cannot vote there, anyway. If the situation is AZ becomes untenable for me, I can sell out, and make a few bucks on my investment there. And look for another Winter hideout.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:24 PM (RymA+)

163 EDD in CA makes the workers comp system even more of a joke than it is. If you make a bogus WC claim in other states and the carrier denies your claim , you have to litigate it and don’t receive any benefits in the interim. You also have to pay for your own expenses unless you prevail. It helps suppress those bogus claims . In CA there are no consequences. EDD pays you while your claim is being litigated and the insurance company is required to pay all your litigation expenses ( the attorney has no financial consequences in pursuing a bogus claim).

Posted by: Drive By at December 09, 2023 12:24 PM (MNhXM)

164 And I am retired, so no income tax at all in AZ, and little taxable income in Canada. I don't think AZ is a total loss yet, a

Aren't the state level pols almost all GOP? Which...sure people voted for GOP as the state rep and...the Abortion Mouse for governor...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 09, 2023 12:25 PM (XqcwY)

165 The Democrats were in a panic next day, and after that the MSM agreed not to talk about it anymore. Everything Gavin said, DeSantis was able to pull up facts and figures to prove he was lying. The next day Gavin claimed that DeSantis was allowed to "Cheat" because he used facts and figures. Gavin looked like a clown who had not done 30 seconds worth of preparation for it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 12:11 PM (i9ffA)

I think it's the fact it disappeared as quickly as it did that speaks volumes.

Ultimately, I don't think it will hurt his chances of being selected by the oligarchs of the party, but I don't know that any of us really know how that's going to shake out.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:26 PM (QBaJw)

166 AOP, you do you , I don't judge, like others here. *But it is always fun to give a hard time to canucks !

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 12:26 PM (V13WU)

167 Vic -
If you are still here - send me an email. My email is in my nic link. Prayers for you as you battle cancer. Reach out, I'd like to stay in touch.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 09, 2023 12:27 PM (UcAQV)

168 I honestly don't think Dirty Old Joe is going to make it to the election, so I fear Newsom as a candidate. He's just photogenic enough and slick enough to convince the easily duped to vote him in, because they apparently don't know what he's done to California.

Posted by: RebeccaH at December 09, 2023 12:27 PM (Nvors)

169 Sasquatch,
You're very welcome.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2023 12:27 PM (W/lyH)

170 But they said ‘California is the place you want to be.’ Guess they never saw Texas.

Posted by: Eromero at December 09, 2023 12:28 PM (wZuzq)

171 Yeah WA state used to hit you with tax evasion if you lived there and had OR plates. That stopped pretty much when they passed the law changing to cost of registering in WA. (it used to be a percentage of blue book value). Also OR used to stop WA cars coming into the state to check for smuggling cigarettes.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 09, 2023 12:28 PM (t0dV9)

172 Seriously. Someone reported you mort and everyone put they fond remembrances in your virtual casket. It makes my day to know that we still have our Eldest and Fatherless among us.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 12:22 PM (aD39U)

I don't know if the "vic" who just posted here today is the "Vic" we all knew and loved. I am not crying "troll" here. Could be that the new "vic" is completely unaware that the nic was formerly(?) used by a long-time Moron.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:30 PM (RymA+)

173 I was clerking a renovation job in Mesa AZ. The boss was a man of means with properties here and there. When the job ended, he treated me real well, and asked me to come over and do a little work on some rentals, Long Beach and Compton. Treated me well on those jobs. While there, he said "Bill, go down to the welfare office and get a few hundred and some food stamps. Probably take you an hour or two".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 09, 2023 12:30 PM (0EOe9)

174 168 I honestly don't think Dirty Old Joe is going to make it to the election, so I fear Newsom as a candidate. He's just photogenic enough and slick enough to convince the easily duped to vote him in, because they apparently don't know what he's done to California.

Posted by: RebeccaH at December 09, 2023 12:27 PM (Nvors)

he gets voted because of the bay area and LA

Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 12:31 PM (A5THL)

175 Oregon was a reliable R state, once...

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 12:31 PM (V13WU)

176 Hiya Vic !

Posted by: JT at December 09, 2023 12:32 PM (T4tVD)

177 And i am the same vic

Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 12:32 PM (A5THL)

178 So was Colorado, and Arizona...and Georgia...and NC, and VA and ...soon there will be no place to run !

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 12:32 PM (V13WU)

179 Are you crazy? It was worth paying the sales tax than to shop in Portland. I completely stopped going to Portland.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 09, 2023 12:32 PM (t0dV9)

180 Aren't the state level pols almost all GOP? Which...sure people voted for GOP as the state rep and...the Abortion Mouse for governor...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 09, 2023 12:25 PM (XqcwY)

I think the GOPe controls the State house and Senate, and Abortion Mouse (D, cartels) is the Governor.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:32 PM (RymA+)

181 What a treat. Went outside to get the mail and a B52 made a low pass over my neighborhood practicing touch and goes at the civilian airport I'm close to.

Big beautiful birds.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 09, 2023 12:32 PM (BdMk6)

182 Damned fine wife and life's partner there YD.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2023 12:19 PM (W/lyH)

Damn straight, D. Damn straight.

Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 09, 2023 12:33 PM (0FoWg)

183 And i am the same vic
Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 12:32 PM (A5THL)

Well, welcome back, man!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:34 PM (RymA+)

184 If the situation is AZ becomes untenable for me, I can sell out, and make a few bucks on my investment there. And look for another Winter hideout.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:24 PM (RymA+)

FWP: When I moved here, my auto insurance agency from Colorado said they write policy in AZ, so it was a simple matter of them updating my policy and all that to reflect I'm now living in a different state.

Except they didn't. But when I first went to register my vehicle (I had two at one point, but never registered the one my ex was keeping from me until after our divorce was settled, and sold that without ever registering it here), they took all my info, including the insurance, and gave me AZ plates.

Then when THAT policy was ready for a six month renewal, they sent me a nasty notice, saying my vehicle reg would be suspended if I didn't give them proof of insurance. So I did. Again. And then just a couple weeks ago, they tell me, your insurance isn't AZ insurance. So we're going to suspend it. Turns out my ins. co did NOT change from CO to AZ policy, so it's on them, but sheesh! I'm not one of the thousands of illegals you have driving around the state.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:34 PM (QBaJw)

185 Texas population will balloon to 70 million people !

Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 12:34 PM (V13WU)

186 And since the Portlanders movedto Vancouver, it's gone from conservative to liberal. It will be Lefty soon enough.

If you are over 29, you need a serious look at the cost of living where you are. If it's high, time to relocate.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 09, 2023 12:34 PM (t0dV9)

187 11 Gavin Newsom seems to be deluded about how competent he is--kind of like the Senile Old Bastard.

---

To be classified as incompetent, you have to be overconfident in the skills, knowledge, and abilities that you don't actually have. Otherwise you would just be humble and continuously work to improve your craft. Newsom's craft is lying, and he is actually good at it and his subjects are very stupid.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 09, 2023 12:36 PM (KuFdU)

188 >>>It did not occur to her that this might result in her being given extra security at the airport? Her hatred is not matched by her brainpower.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke
====

See: Pramila Jayapal
Most of them aren't that smart they're just highly motivated.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 09, 2023 12:36 PM (oKK+P)

189 Let's see:

The Israeli people made a desert bloom, and gifted humanity with many many advances on the state of the art.

The Democrats in California are doing there best to make a productive agricultural heartland in to a desert.
Adding millions of illegals without expanding the water supply steals from ground water and crops.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 12:36 PM (u82oZ)

190 What a treat. Went outside to get the mail and a B52 made a low pass over my neighborhood practicing touch and goes at the civilian airport I'm close to.

Big beautiful birds.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 09, 2023 12:32 PM (BdMk6)

My AZ place is only a few miles from Falcon Field in Mesa, and I get to see the warbirds fly over almost weekly. B17, AT6 trainers, stuff like that. Nothing like the sound of multiple big radial engines singing in harmony.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:36 PM (RymA+)

191 And i am the same vic
Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 12:32 PM (A5THL)

Which is EXACTLY what a fake Vic would say!

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:36 PM (QBaJw)

192 And i am the same vic

Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 12:32 PM (A5THL)

Man, I'm betting there are a lot of relieved people here.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2023 12:37 PM (VwHCD)

193 ut if he can be installed, then that will demonstrate quite clearly, I would think, we don't live in a democratic nation. We are a dictatorship. With pockets of liberty here and there, but the rule of DC touches everybody, to one extent or another.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:19 PM (QBaJw)

Let's see: on one side you have the White House, Federal Agencies, Congressional Dems, the MSM, universities, Big Tech, the military academies, military leadership, Blue State Governor's and blue city Mayors, the majority of single women and black voters, and on the other side.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 09, 2023 12:38 PM (6MbDp)

194 FenelonSpoke

Hope you, FenelonSpouse, and FenelonSon are all thriving, and that your son did well on his finals, esp. physics.

So no check for now for FenelonSon, but we could give him wildly inappropriate advice for the first few dates. It is the Horde way.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 12:38 PM (u82oZ)

195 I think the GOPe controls the State house and Senate, and Abortion Mouse (D, cartels) is the Governor.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:32 PM (RymA+)

I just checked: 16 - 14 R majority in Senate, 31-29 majority in the House.

So we're a hair's breath away from an Abortion Barbie dictatorship.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:39 PM (QBaJw)

196 OT-So we're putting up our tree. It's not really a tree. We started using it years ago when we didn't feel like getting a tree,and our son said "Maybe you could use that old towel tree." It's fun to get out the ornaments son made when he was in the Christian pre school including his picture on a paper wreath (He looks kind of sadl I don't think he liked getting his picture taken.) and to know that in a few days, God willing we'll get him from college and bring him home for a month. It's nice to see the ornaments that belonged to my mother and her mother too. It's good to celebrate little blessings.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 12:40 PM (RSbhh)

197 My wife and I just took a trip out to the "Bay Area" (why is this referred to as the "Bay Area" but the Chesapeake Bay Area isn't?) to visit an ailing relative and to replenish our fermented grape bottle stock.

Thank God I'm home. I may live in another deep blue hell hole of a state but it's not CA with its insane congestion and overcrowding.

For a state that has so much open space, why do people chose to live like ants on top of one another?

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2023 12:40 PM (rIKLb)

198 183 And i am the same vic
Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 12:32 PM (A5THL)

Well, welcome back, man!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:34 PM (RymA+)

Same here. A lot of folks missed you and the VNN.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 09, 2023 12:40 PM (6MbDp)

199 By 2035 I don’t think more than 10 states will be reliably red. And those 10 will be sparsely populated ones like Wyoming and the Dakotas.

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 12:41 PM (d3Zv7)

200 Vic

Would you want to give me your contact info, so I can pass them on to Village Idiot's Apprentice. He lives in South Carolina, and he is a source of potential help.

You worried a lot of folks that can support you. And me. I'm a tad away from you, but I do remember all of our good conversations.

My email, in ROT-13, is: AnPyl_qbt@xfoebnqonaq.arg

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 12:42 PM (u82oZ)

201 Fenelon, hope you are doing well.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 09, 2023 12:42 PM (D7oie)

202 I don't know if the "vic" who just posted here today is the "Vic" we all knew and loved. I am not crying "troll" here. Could be that the new "vic" is completely unaware that the nic was formerly(?) used by a long-time Moron.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:30 PM (RymA+)

It's him. I am almost 100% certain his hash is the same.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:43 PM (QBaJw)

203 And i am the same vic

Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 12:32 PM (A5THL)

Man, I'm betting there are a lot of relieved people here.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2023 12:37 PM (VwHCD)

Are you saying Vic is a diuretic ?

Posted by: JT at December 09, 2023 12:43 PM (T4tVD)

204 119
'Well a couple days ago the IDF bombed his house in Gaza and killed him and everyone in it (HA!) and now all his friends online are saying that Bari Weiss directed a hit on him'

That should automatically make her Queen of Twitter.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2023 12:43 PM (roH4R)

205 For a state that has so much open space, why do people chose to live like ants on top of one another?

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2023 12:40 PM (rIKLb)

Much of the State is desert

Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 12:43 PM (A5THL)

206 "Biden Invests $3 billion in California's High Speed Rail"

Where are these funds pulled from? From Biden's stash?

Posted by: illiniwek at December 09, 2023 12:44 PM (Cus5s)

207 Well, my neighbor is home. He made three trips to the ER, had an MRI, and on the final visit detected a colon blockage. Tubes down the nose, two nights of pumping and they finally semi fixed him and sent him home. Poor guy lost about five pounds over the ordeal, and he can't afford it. Recommended diet is Dachau quality.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 09, 2023 12:44 PM (0EOe9)

208 So was Colorado, and Arizona...and Georgia...and NC, and VA and ...soon there will be no place to run !
Posted by: runner at December 09, 2023 12:32 PM (

No doubt. Things look bleak. And mass migrations from the gigantic Communist population centers haven't worked out well for the country thus far.

But the point stands - we are entering the darkest period in US history, and the depredations will come soonest and with the worst intensity to those places. Go where you can stick it out the longest, and pray the storm passes before it tears the place apart.

But, COVID kicked off a nation-altering mass migration, as happens from time to time in our big country, and my hope is that the end result will be safe havens for normies outside of unlivable CHUD zones, ahead of a complete crackup that leaves some of us with countries that still respect human dignity.

It's a long shot, but it's something.

Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 09, 2023 12:44 PM (0FoWg)

209 My email, in ROT-13, is:
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 12:42 PM (u82oZ)

Did you just throw a ROT-13 at Vic?

Back when Vic started on the internet, they were on ROT-4.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:45 PM (QBaJw)

210
vic test question:

How far from a major city should everyone live?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 09, 2023 12:45 PM (enJYY)

211 Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 12:38 PM (u82oZ)

Thanks, The nasal congestion, etc is over, but I am dealing with recurring Lyme. Uggh I appreciate your concern, dear one, and thanks for thinking of FenSpouse and son. I probably should pause on the dating advice until he actually gets a date, but I'm sure you'd have some amusing horde worthy advice. I was wrong about the Physics exam. Apparently, it's on Monday, but he seems to be doing o,k with all the other end of the semester stuff, thanks be to God!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 12:46 PM (RSbhh)

212 Yudhishthira

Good analysis, you sunny optimist.

Local is where it is at.

I live in Kansas, with 2.8 million people, 6 million cows, mostly Angus, and 76% of the population is urban. Who vote Left.

But not in my rural area.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 12:47 PM (u82oZ)

213 To understand how retarded the Las Vegas to Los Angeles train is… the “Los Angeles” part of it is Rancho Cucamanga. That’s at least an hour’s drive from LA and in Friday night traffic more like 2 hours. By the time someone gets to the station, they could have already flown to Las Vegas.

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 12:47 PM (d3Zv7)

214 How far from a major city should everyone live?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 09, 2023 12:45 PM (enJYY)

I used to say more than 30 miles bow I would up that.

Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 12:48 PM (A5THL)

215 149
'My brother came out for Thanksgiving. He's having a major disagreement with his wife.'

Hell yes, if he came out, that automatically causes marriage troubles.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 09, 2023 12:48 PM (roH4R)

216 But, COVID kicked off a nation-altering mass migration, as happens from time to time in our big country, and my hope is that the end result will be safe havens for normies outside of unlivable CHUD zones, ahead of a complete crackup that leaves some of us with countries that still respect human dignity.

It's a long shot, but it's something.
Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 09, 2023 12:44 PM (0FoWg)

Anyone who listened to the Alex Jones/Tucker conversation, they talked about the challenges of just moving to the countryside, but acknowledged that might be the best option at this point. For most.

Alex has some bleak things to say about what he sees coming, but if we've learned anything since the Age Of the Covids, it's to not take his warnings lightly.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:48 PM (QBaJw)

217 BurtTC

Vic can cope. He was a very smart snipe.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 12:49 PM (u82oZ)

218 VIC!!!!
Welcome back!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at December 09, 2023 12:50 PM (vHIgi)

219
I used to say more than 30 miles bow I would up that.

Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 12:48 PM

That's real vic, though I sorta remember him saying 20 miles. Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part living 20 miles from Philly.
But I have Valley Forge Mountain between me and Philly so hoping that would shear off some of the blast.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 09, 2023 12:50 PM (enJYY)

220 One question with which we wrestled, was do you stay and fight or leave so that your contribution to the fight is that you don't need to be rescued.

Or, do you pull out from a sick state as many functioning people as possible and then after it collapses, go back and conquer and install a functioning, rights-protecting government.

Posted by: Emmie at December 09, 2023 12:51 PM (Sf2cq)

221 BurtTC

Vic can cope. He was a very smart snipe.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 12:49 PM (u82oZ)

I know, but it's obligatory around here to make Vic age jokes.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:52 PM (QBaJw)

222 If and when they ever get the LA to LV choo choo running, they don't have a hair on their balls if they don't use the Mel Blanc boarding announcement.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 09, 2023 12:53 PM (0EOe9)

223 Vic, the picture of you standing by a 1970 Duster, what color was your tshirt?
trick question

Posted by: old chick at December 09, 2023 12:53 PM (sOete)

224 Posted by: Kindltot at December 09, 2023 12:42 PM (D7oie)

Thx. I appreciate that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 12:53 PM (RSbhh)

225
Vic, the picture of you standing by a 1970 Duster, what color was your tshirt?
trick question

Posted by: old chick at December 09, 2023 12:53 PM

No fair, everyone knows it was a Chevrolet.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 09, 2023 12:54 PM (enJYY)

226 {{{Emmie}}}

You and yours chose wisely.

Reinforce the weak states, and let the Communist States (CO, *cough, cough*) fail.
Let the cannibalism subside before moving in adventurous, pragmatic families.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 12:55 PM (u82oZ)

227 That's real vic, though I sorta remember him saying 20 miles. Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part living 20 miles from Philly.
But I have Valley Forge Mountain between me and Philly so hoping that would shear off some of the blast.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 09, 2023 12:50 PM (enJYY)

When I was in Western Colorado, we had whole mountain ranges between us and Denver. And sometimes when I-70 is closed, it's damn near impossible to get from there to here.

But Denver still manages to reach across the ranges, in subtle ways, and not so subtle ways.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:55 PM (QBaJw)

228 Unemployment in CT never checks to determine whether you're applying for work.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 09, 2023 12:55 PM (nnp+f)

229 Man, I'm betting there are a lot of relieved people here.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2023 12:37 PM (VwHCD)

Are you saying Vic is a diuretic ?

Posted by: JT at December 09, 2023 12:43 PM (T4tVD)

Well, he did have a lot of people shitting their pants, soo....

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 09, 2023 12:55 PM (VwHCD)

230 To understand how retarded the Las Vegas to Los Angeles train is… the “Los Angeles” part of it is Rancho Cucamanga. That’s at least an hour’s drive from LA and in Friday night traffic more like 2 hours. By the time someone gets to the station, they could have already flown to Las Vegas.
Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 12:47 PM (d3Zv7)

Seems to me that high-speed rail boondoggle is ripe for mischief by normies. Plenty of opportunities to recoup some of the money stolen by the State to finance this scam.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:55 PM (RymA+)

231 223 Vic, the picture of you standing by a 1970 Duster, what color was your tshirt?
trick question

Posted by: old chick at December 09, 2023 12:53 PM (sOete)

I don't remember and I no longer have that picture. And it was 1972 Maverick.

Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 12:56 PM (A5THL)

232 BurtTC

Of course. But Ben Had calls Vic a young puppy. She is older than Vic. With plenty of untold stories.

Vic was making the rudder of Noah's Ark work right.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 12:57 PM (u82oZ)

233 Or, do you pull out from a sick state as many functioning people as possible and then after it collapses, go back and conquer and install a functioning, rights-protecting government.
Posted by: Emmie at December 09, 2023 12:51 PM (Sf2cq)

That is the end game.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:57 PM (RymA+)

234 "And it was 1972 Maverick."

This is correct.

And he was strapped.

Posted by: pawn at December 09, 2023 12:57 PM (QB+5g)

235 And it was 1972 Maverick.
Posted by: vic

That's a wrap, it's vic.

Posted by: old chick at December 09, 2023 12:58 PM (sOete)

236 Of course. But Ben Had calls Vic a young puppy. She is older than Vic. With plenty of untold stories.

Vic was making the rudder of Noah's Ark work right.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 12:57 PM (u82oZ)

Age is just a number. I remember when I first started hanging around here, I thought I was young. Nowadays, I mostly think I'm old.

Seriously, Covid did that to me. That, and the ex.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:58 PM (QBaJw)

237 Give me a million bananas or I'll fling shit at the tourists.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 09, 2023 12:59 PM (J8LnB)

238 Which is EXACTLY what a fake Vic would say!

Posted by: BurtTC
---

Vic is never short for opinion when he speaks.
If he had an opinion he would voice it.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 09, 2023 12:59 PM (oKK+P)

239 Alberta Oil Peon

Glad to see the oil-rich western Provinces tell Trudeau to piss off.

Ya know, Alberta may need a Q. As in you.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 12:59 PM (u82oZ)

240
I seem to recall Vic had a green Maverick, but that was many beers ago. I had a friend who owned one, but not a 302 or anything really strong.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 09, 2023 01:00 PM (enJYY)

241 Detroit took 40 years to hit rock bottom. But then it started getting better. Cali will probably take a similar path.

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 01:00 PM (d3Zv7)

242 Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:55 PM

Rancho Cucamonga?

Well, at first, they were starting the Los Angeles end of the north-south high speed rail in Shafter, north of Bakersfield.

Posted by: KT at December 09, 2023 01:02 PM (rrtZS)

243 BurtTC

I hear you.

I was watching the GA-ALA football game and the camera spent a lot of time showing the cheer squad girls. Including up the skirt shots.

Who seemed too young and overly made up for me. I just had one thought watching them. One thought.

Is her grandmother widowed?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 01:02 PM (u82oZ)

244 People could have learned from Detroit. But, people didn't want to learn from Detroit.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 09, 2023 01:02 PM (R4t5M)

245 For a state that has so much open space, why do people chose to live like ants on top of one another?
Posted by: Defenestratus at December 09, 2023 12:40 PM (rIKLb)

For the money, drugs and rape.

But mostly the rape.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 09, 2023 01:02 PM (R/m4+)

246 Times have changed.

Those of us above a certain age would answer he question of how far to live from a major city based on surviving a nuclear attack.

Now a days it's based on a tank of gasoline or the like from societal collapse.

Posted by: pawn at December 09, 2023 01:03 PM (QB+5g)

247 Beer tasted terrible. Then I was in-between life long loves. Then it became Heavenly.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 09, 2023 01:03 PM (J8LnB)

248 You and yours chose wisely.

Reinforce the weak states, and let the Communist States (CO, *cough, cough*) fail.
Let the cannibalism subside before moving in adventurous, pragmatic families.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 12:55 PM (u82oZ)

We are very happy with our choice, although the climate was more comfortable on the Front Range. But we are surrounded with healthy, happy, baby-making family members along with sweet neighbors and church family. And we have a solid governor who is not constantly calculating all the ways she can punish, restrict, and harass us. That's very nice.

Posted by: Emmie at December 09, 2023 01:03 PM (Sf2cq)

249 When I lived in California I was stationed at Fort Ord. Yep lots of beautiful views. The weather is not nearly as nice.

This is in part part of the problems of California. A good chunk of the state is a rather nasty desert that kills tourist on the regular. No new reservoirs have been made since Jerry Brown was dating Linda Ronstadt.

The infrastructure was not good enough for 1983 the alone 2023. California had the best infrastructure in the world in 1963.

Problem is it has not really improved at all since then. Hell at this point it is barely even maintained.

Posted by: Nearsighted Cyclopes at December 09, 2023 01:04 PM (UL4Zp)

250 Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner

I looked at Hiroshima and Nagasaki recently. They are in good shape.

Democratic governance of a city is more destructive than 20 KT of atomic bombs. And more expensive.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 01:04 PM (u82oZ)

251 Age is just a number. I remember when I first started hanging around here, I thought I was young. Nowadays, I mostly think I'm old.
Posted by: BurtTC

Didn't someone here post the other day that the true test for being old or not was realizing your week revolved around trash day?

Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2023 01:05 PM (NReIw)

252 The definitive Vic pic

https://bityl.co/MrV1

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 01:05 PM (aD39U)

253 Watch the video here:

https://www.inn.co.il/news/622540

This is absurd! Why isn't everything flattened? We're sacrificing our own kids here! For what?
Posted by: Biden's Dog

It says "will only play on youtube"
Does anyone have the youtube link? Clicking on the "watch on YouTube now" doesn't work on my fire tablet.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at December 09, 2023 01:05 PM (vHIgi)

254 MrV1 is quite a coincidence.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 01:06 PM (aD39U)

255 "Beer tasted terrible. Then I was in-between life long loves. Then it became Heavenly.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot "

Beer is a comfort food.

Posted by: Mo O'McDoody at December 09, 2023 01:06 PM (l2CPx)

256 196 OT-So we're putting up our tree. ...It's nice to see the ornaments that belonged to my mother and her mother too. It's good to celebrate little blessings.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 12:40 PM (RSbhh)

We're going to go get ours tomorrow. We like to get a nine-or-ten footer, because we have a Victorian house with high ceilings (yeah, but the "mansion" is falling down around us). But I've been sick for a week, Mr. D had shoulder surgery this past summer, and I'm not sure either of us is in the shape we need to be in to wrestle a tree that size.

He seems determined, but I'm going to find a five footer that's too lovely to pass up, and hope he sees sense.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at December 09, 2023 01:07 PM (OX9vb)

257 Thanks for the vic pic.

I love that picture. I can so relate to everything there.

Even the "Kodachrome" of it all.

Posted by: pawn at December 09, 2023 01:08 PM (QB+5g)

258 Seriously, our current home state was not even on our radar. But Polis said, "No Thanksgiving for you, peasants!" and then my sis-in-law invited us to spend Thanksgiving with them. No mask mandates and we saw a very cute house that God reserved for us during a very hot market. So here we are.

Posted by: Emmie at December 09, 2023 01:09 PM (Sf2cq)

259 Listening to Gov Newsom gush over how great CA is doing reminds me of a Brezhnev era apparatchik giving the party line (h/t, Lord Hannan).

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 09, 2023 01:09 PM (MVSM6)

260 Good luck Dash!

We are putting up the outside lights this afternoon - three whole strings!

We unloaded dozens of wreaths and other Christmas decorations when we moved. I don't miss them and the work involved in storing, retrieving and setting up.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2023 01:09 PM (NReIw)

261 > Didn't someone here post the other day that the true test for being old or not was realizing your week revolved around trash day?
____________

It's on Fridays. I may have mentioned that once. And it is how I remember what day it is.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2023 01:10 PM (Q4IgG)

262 Dash my lace wigs!

Good luck!

Although I have full confidence in your skills to get Mr. D to agree with you.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 01:10 PM (u82oZ)

263 Alberta Oil Peon

Glad to see the oil-rich western Provinces tell Trudeau to piss off.

Ya know, Alberta may need a Q. As in you.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 12:59 PM (u82oZ)

You know, Alberta and Saskatchewan are the ones normally considered as "oil-rich". But Manitoba has some oil, but they continually fumble the ball politically. Their new Premier is an Indian from the Gimmedat Tribe. British Columbia has a lot of oil and gas, mostly in the Peace District which is really, geologically speaking, part of Alberta, anyway. The B.C. gummint rakes in plenty of revenues from royalties and rights sales, but publicly makes "carbon free" noises in Victoria. Ontario used to produce oil around Sarnia, but I think those fields are about pumped dry. The Marcellus shale of New York extends into Quebec, and Quebec could almost certainly produce enough gas and liquids to meet domestic needs, but the Froggies are opposed to fracking. And Nova Scotia and Newfie has offshore oil and gas, but the Federal government is fucking that up.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 01:10 PM (RymA+)

264 252 The definitive Vic pic

https://bityl.co/MrV1

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 01:05 PM (aD39U)

That's it!

Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 01:11 PM (A5THL)

265
Didn't someone here post the other day that the true test for being old or not was realizing your week revolved around trash day?

Every day is an endless stream of cigarettes and magazines

Posted by: Paul Simon at December 09, 2023 01:11 PM (enJYY)

266 Yep, Salty. We're going to learn the hard way. And it will multitudes worse than Detroit.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 09, 2023 01:11 PM (R4t5M)

267 Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at December 09, 2023 01:07 PM (OX9vb)

I am sorry that you haven’t been feeling well. I think it’s a good idea to go with a smaller tree. Less wrestling!

One year spouse and son got some kind of tree that had needles that felt like daggers. And they dragged it from the tree farm place to the car.The next year they got a less pain inducing tree.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 01:12 PM (z1kLw)

268 Thanks for the vic pic.

I love that picture. I can so relate to everything there.

Even the "Kodachrome" of it all.
Posted by: pawn at December 09, 2023 01:08 PM (QB+5g)

Most of us Southern boys of a certain age were, or know, That Guy right there.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 01:12 PM (aD39U)

269 252 The definitive Vic pic

https://bityl.co/MrV1
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

Muscle guy, muscle car.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at December 09, 2023 01:12 PM (vHIgi)

270 Alberta Oil Peon

Well, much of Canada is lovely and Canadiens are great people, but with a layer of bad governance at the top.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 01:12 PM (u82oZ)

271 I wish I had that car back.

Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 01:12 PM (A5THL)

272 Here are my questions- All the people who voted against Newsom have left the state, or is it like NJ where people have left the state because of high taxes and congestion and stupid Democrat policies, or it's also to do-like NJ- with voting fraud and the fact that the more conservative areas in CA are outweighed by city Democrat votes?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 11:26 AM (RSbhh)

Its both, added to it is the CA GOP is the absolute worst and has supinely allowed jungle primaries and redistricting that have made almost no race competitive.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2023 01:13 PM (eoQWY)

273 That's it!
Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 01:11 PM (A5THL)

Love the Smith.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 01:13 PM (aD39U)

274 Tonypete, I do not decorate for holidays, generally. I don't put up lights, or deco in the yard or on the porch, or even around the house. Too much trouble, and I don't like to store that stuff.

But I do like a real tree. All of our Christmas stuff has to fit in one storage tub. If it gets too full, something goes. I'm ruthless that way.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at December 09, 2023 01:13 PM (OX9vb)

275 I must say I do miss my Great Aunt's aluminum tree with the tri-colored rotating wheel lamp shining on it.

She also had a painting of a matador with his cape draped over his shoulder on black velvet.

But you knew that.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2023 01:14 PM (NReIw)

276 I take the trash out here. Such a relief when we switched from 2 day pick up to one day pick up.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at December 09, 2023 01:14 PM (vHIgi)

277 Well, much of Canada is lovely and Canadiens are great people, but with a layer of bad governance at the top.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 01:12 PM (u82oZ)

Thing is, those of us who aren't brain-dead socialists can see first hand how destructive socialism can be.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 01:14 PM (RymA+)

278 Most of us Southern boys of a certain age were, or know, That Guy right there.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 01:12 PM (aD39U)

I'd even go farther north with that. In my mind's eye, all the boys I grew up with still look like that. They might be kinda old now, but when I look at them, that's still who I see.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at December 09, 2023 01:15 PM (OX9vb)

279 271 I wish I had that car back.
Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 01:12 PM (A5THL

I feel similarly about my old muscle car. I saw one almost exactly like it in a parking lot and left a note with my number - "if you ever decide to sell" - but never heard back.

Posted by: Emmie at December 09, 2023 01:15 PM (Sf2cq)

280 You take the whole damned family with you. Or cut them off. Would you stay in Gaza, if Granny refused to leave?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 11:49 AM (yLuBw)

That's what my family did. Turned out moving Grandpa to Texas from Colorado gave him a much needed boost due to the lower altitude. He may even make it to 100 now, just has a month to go. Grandma's dementia didn't get significantly worse from the move either, as everyone had feared it might.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 09, 2023 01:15 PM (nC+QA)

281 She also had a painting of a matador with his cape draped over his shoulder on black velvet.

Not joking. Every Italian family I knew had one in their house.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 09, 2023 01:16 PM (R4t5M)

282 I seem to recall a thread some years ago when many commenters here reveled their true age. The number of people in their 70's (and older) was.... interesting.

More than I would have thought.

But it's why this blog has so many people with obscure and useful knowledge about obscure and useful stuff.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2023 01:16 PM (Q4IgG)

283 Is her grandmother widowed?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 01:02 PM (u82oZ)

Hah!

I think I'm somewhere between lusting after their moms and their grandmoms. Although... sure, the percentages go up when one is seeking a mate, a widow is just statistically less likely to be nuts than a divorcee.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 01:16 PM (QBaJw)

284 The definitive Vic pic

https://bityl.co/MrV1
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 01:05 PM (aD39U)
***

Mrs D just asked me what I was doing...you know...in that voice every woman has when she has something she wants you to do. I said I was looking as Vic pics. She got pissed.
I don't think her hearing is very good anymore.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2023 01:17 PM (W/lyH)

285 Well, my second cup of coffee has gone cold (did drink most of it), and it's a bright sunny day here, although cold, so I ought to get on with my day. Later...

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 01:17 PM (RymA+)

286 Alberta Oil Peon

I can see you outfitting a Max Max horde of vehicles. No more nice guy trucker convoy.

The real Panhard's had weaponry.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 01:17 PM (u82oZ)

287 Soooo.... vic. Do we love you or not, huh?

Maybe send some contact info off to someone on here.

Seriously, you were missed and people here care.

Posted by: pawn at December 09, 2023 01:17 PM (QB+5g)

288 I seem to recall a thread some years ago when many commenters here reveled their true age. The number of people in their 70's (and older) was.... interesting.

More than I would have thought.

But it's why this blog has so many people with obscure and useful knowledge about obscure and useful stuff.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2023 01:16 PM (Q4IgG)

A few years back, Zombie calculated the age of the average Moron at 55, based mostly on musical tastes.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 01:17 PM (aD39U)

289
I wish I had that car back.

Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 01:12 PM

Especially if you could buy it back at MSRP back then - which was probably in the $3,000 to $4,000 dollar range.

A person could graduate high school, get a job, and buy a brand new car after about a year of working.

Posted by: Paul Simon at December 09, 2023 01:18 PM (enJYY)

290 A person could graduate high school, get a job, and buy a brand new car after about a year of working.
Posted by: Paul Simon

Or you can hop on the bus, Gus.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 09, 2023 01:19 PM (R4t5M)

291 I said I was looking as Vic pics. She got pissed.
I don't think her hearing is very good anymore.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2023 01:17 PM (W/lyH)

*snort

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at December 09, 2023 01:19 PM (OX9vb)

292 A few years back, Zombie calculated the age of the average Moron at 55, based mostly on musical tastes.
Posted by: G'rump928
----------

heh. I've never even mentioned Guy Mitchell. Probably would skew the numbers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2023 01:20 PM (XeU6L)

293 183 And i am the same vic
Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 12:32 PM (A5THL)

Well, welcome back, man!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2023 12:34 PM (RymA+)

Had a '67 Mustang that used oil and I would happily take back for a project. Straight six, IIRC

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 09, 2023 01:21 PM (uEP50)

294 The definitive Vic pic

https://bityl.co/MrV1
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 01:05 PM (aD39U)

Lots of recognizable nics on that thread... of folks who aren't around here anymore.

Before the Great Trump Division and Flounce.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 01:21 PM (QBaJw)

295 268 Thanks for the vic pic.

I love that picture. I can so relate to everything there.

Even the "Kodachrome" of it all.
Posted by: pawn at December 09, 2023 01:08 PM (QB+5g)

Most of us Southern boys of a certain age were, or know, That Guy right there.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 01:12 PM (aD39U)

I love that pic - that's '72 Maveric Grabber, my first car was a '72 Torino, same 302, same console 3 speed. Wish i had it back too!

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 09, 2023 01:21 PM (i9ffA)

296 Diogenes

☣ Snort! ☣

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 01:22 PM (u82oZ)

297 I'm in MT and my wife and I got $2500 income tax rebate and $675 property tax rebate as Montana rana big surplus. Also no sales tax. We DO have kinda high income and property tax rates.

Posted by: free tibet at December 09, 2023 01:22 PM (iNp3L)

298 A few years back, Zombie calculated the age of the average Moron at 55, based mostly on musical tastes.
Posted by: G'rump928

Heh.
That's actually a pretty good way to do it.
Got in some golf the other day with the geezers and one had a sound system on his golf cart. All hits from 1959-65.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2023 01:23 PM (W/lyH)

299 A few years back, Zombie calculated the age of the average Moron at 55, based mostly on musical tastes.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 01:17 PM (aD39U)

Young 'whippasnappas'. Whatever they are.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 09, 2023 01:23 PM (uEP50)

300 Anyone who listened to the Alex Jones/Tucker conversation, they talked about the challenges of just moving to the countryside, but acknowledged that might be the best option at this point. For most.

Alex has some bleak things to say about what he sees coming, but if we've learned anything since the Age Of the Covids, it's to not take his warnings lightly.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 12:48 PM (QBaJw)

I listened to that as well; pretty bleak, but fore warned is fore armed as they say. We all must pass attention to our local and state elections. IMHO, that’s were we can make a difference.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at December 09, 2023 01:24 PM (VloHh)

301 Have a great day, everyone.

May you all thrive.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 09, 2023 01:24 PM (u82oZ)

302 *pass=pay

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at December 09, 2023 01:25 PM (VloHh)

303
Lots of recognizable nics on that thread... of folks who aren't around here anymore.

I change my nic fairly often. Other people do, too. Sometimes I reveal a little too much info after an adult beverage and I think better of it the next day. But I suppose I'm around a 20 year person.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 09, 2023 01:25 PM (enJYY)

304 Make a new plan Stan

Posted by: Braenyard at December 09, 2023 01:26 PM (oKK+P)

305 heh. I've never even mentioned Guy Mitchell. Probably would skew the numbers.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2023 01:20 PM (XeU6L)

So would "top of the charts" big band music. There was only one radio station in my state that played rock 'n roll.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 09, 2023 01:26 PM (BdMk6)

306 I change my nic fairly often. Other people do, too. Sometimes I reveal a little too much info after an adult beverage and I think better of it the next day. But I suppose I'm around a 20 year person.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 09, 2023 01:25 PM (enJYY)

Yeah, I'm sure there are many who do that, but some who couldn't stand the Trump, and some who... aren't here anymore. As in, not anywhere on the planet.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2023 01:30 PM (QBaJw)

307 I change my nic fairly often. Other people do, too. Sometimes I reveal a little too much info after an adult beverage and I think better of it the next day. But I suppose I'm around a 20 year person.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 09, 2023 01:25 PM (enJYY)

Heh
Heh
Heh

Posted by: Bob at NSA at December 09, 2023 01:31 PM (W/lyH)

308
The infrastructure was not good enough for 1983 the alone 2023. California had the best infrastructure in the world in 1963.

Problem is it has not really improved at all since then. Hell at this point it is barely even maintained.
Posted by: Nearsighted Cyclopes at December 09, 2023 01:04 PM (UL4Zp)

The power system is being decomissioned and being replaced with ... nothing. nothing at all.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2023 01:32 PM (eoQWY)

309
I had a girlfriend when that album with the '50 Ways to Leave Your Lover' song came out which I was playing on my stereo one night. She asked, 'Is that going to be you? Are you going to slip out the back, Jack?"

I said I didn't know. A couple weeks later I slipped out the back.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 09, 2023 01:32 PM (enJYY)

310 My wife and I found a station that plays music from the 40's through the late 50's. A lot of big band stuff, mostly instrumentals... good for background during cocktails and dinner.

Although right now the "Christmas USB Stick" is in the Bose and that's what I'll be listening to for the next 3 weeks.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2023 01:33 PM (Q4IgG)

311 Having handled the prayer list for some years, it is so sad when you're chatted by e-mail by very nice people with very difficult health conditions-and then they just disappear and nobody ever told us that they had died.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2023 01:33 PM (RSbhh)

312 308 The power system is being decomissioned and being replaced with ... nothing. nothing at all.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2023 01:32 PM (eoQWY)

The last I saw before I retired CA was buying greater than 50% of their power from WA.

Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 01:34 PM (A5THL)

313 Listening to Gov Newsom gush over how great CA is doing reminds me of a Brezhnev era apparatchik giving the party line (h/t, Lord Hannan).
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 09, 2023 01:09 PM (MVSM6)

One of the proposals out there is to cut the water supply to residents so they can't run the shower and dishwasher anytime they want. Outdoor pools however are exempted.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2023 01:35 PM (eoQWY)

314 When we lived in St.Louis in 1980, our neighborhood bar, and they had them there, had a jukebox full of Swing and Big Band songs.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 01:35 PM (aD39U)

315 22 Gavin Newsom seems to be deluded about how competent he is--kind of like the Senile Old Bastard.
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 09, 2023 11:16 AM (hCt6Y)

Think on this: Newsom is the most well known, cleanest, most effective, most charismatic face that his faction can find to put forward as an alternate candidate to Biden.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 09, 2023 11:22 AM (D7oie)
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All you have to know is that Newsom is Nancy Pelosi's nephew or something. Enough said.

Posted by: Ciampino - All that missing money? How much went to cronies? at December 09, 2023 01:36 PM (qfLjt)

316 I said I didn't know. A couple weeks later I slipped out the back.
Posted by: Divide by Zero

Then you someone else drop off the key, Lee.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 09, 2023 01:37 PM (R4t5M)

317 had someone.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 09, 2023 01:38 PM (R4t5M)

318 A few years back, Zombie calculated the age of the average Moron at 55, based mostly on musical tastes.
Posted by: G'rump928

Heh.
That's actually a pretty good way to do it.
Got in some golf the other day with the geezers and one had a sound system on his golf cart. All hits from 1959-65.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 09, 2023 01:23 PM (W/lyH)

I'm no music fanatic, but I had a set of bands I followed in HS / College. When they all died more or less I got a second set. Then a third set after that, and then I had enough music and I more or less stopped getting music.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2023 01:39 PM (eoQWY)

319 Heh
Heh
Heh
Posted by: Bob at NSA at December 09, 2023 01:31 PM (W/lyH)

///

That's funny. Uh, wait, not making fun of you, Bob. Please stop sending messages through my fillings.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 09, 2023 01:39 PM (FJfqA)

320 When we lived in St.Louis in 1980, our neighborhood bar, and they had them there, had a jukebox full of Swing and Big Band songs.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 01:35 PM (aD39U)

Even one of the most prolific promoters of rock 'n roll had a big band intro to his tv show.

Dick Clark

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 09, 2023 01:40 PM (BdMk6)

321 There’s a winter snow advisory for my area. We’re gonna get - wait for it - 2-3 inches of snow. This part of the climate change hysterics. Any bit of inconvenience due to weather is a fire alarm fire now.

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 01:41 PM (d3Zv7)

322 The last I saw before I retired CA was buying greater than 50% of their power from WA.
Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 01:34 PM (A5THL)

Makes as much sense as Venezuela taking over Guyana for its oil. What? You say that is happening?

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 09, 2023 01:42 PM (FJfqA)

323 I guess there are a number of cases of Cattle Anthrax in North Dakota. Just because.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 09, 2023 01:42 PM (R4t5M)

324 There’s a winter snow advisory for my area. We’re gonna get - wait for it - 2-3 inches of snow. This part of the climate change hysterics. Any bit of inconvenience due to weather is a fire alarm fire now.
Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 01:41 PM (d3Zv7)

Well in some areas that would be an absolute catastrophe. In the north, not so much, but in Alabama it might be bad news.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2023 01:42 PM (eoQWY)

325
Well in some areas that would be an absolute catastrophe. In the north, not so much, but in Alabama it might be bad news.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2023 01:42 PM (eoQWY)

I live in a snowy place where 2-3 inches of snow in Demeter is called, uhm, a winter day. But apparently we need a weather advisory for it now.

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 01:44 PM (d3Zv7)

326 December

Posted by: Montec at December 09, 2023 01:44 PM (d3Zv7)

327 Winter is coming.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 09, 2023 01:45 PM (aD39U)

328 324
Well in some areas that would be an absolute catastrophe. In the north, not so much, but in Alabama it might be bad news.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 09, 2023 01:42 PM (eoQWY)

The problem is that the States in the South have no snow removal equipment because it is not costs effective to buy ir one one or 2 snows per year

Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 01:46 PM (A5THL)

329 As a surprise to no one hamas is stealing food from the gazans

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2023 01:46 PM (LL06r)

330 I lived in San Antonio when we got 7" of snow. Very scary.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 09, 2023 01:47 PM (R4t5M)

331 330 I lived in San Antonio when we got 7" of snow. Very scary.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 09, 2023 01:47 PM (R4t5M)

I lived in Upstate NY for a Winter. When I left NY I never wanted to see snow again.

Posted by: vic at December 09, 2023 01:49 PM (A5THL)

332 I lived in Upstate NY for a Winter. When I left NY I never wanted to see snow again.
Posted by: vic

That place is awful. Snow from Halloween until Memorial Day in some places by the Finger Lakes. And each of the Finger Lakes seemed to have it's own weather system.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 09, 2023 01:51 PM (R4t5M)

333 Haven't see/driven on snow after six years in Florida. May be sporty.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 09, 2023 01:54 PM (6zMXZ)

334 We listened to the Kingston Trio all the time when I was a kid. Love "The Man Who Never Returned." I remember asking my dad, "Why didn't Charlie's wife put a nickel in his sandwich bag?" LOL!

On the topic of contacting congresscritters and the like, I emailed Tim Scott and Lindsey Graham to tell them I'll never vote for them again. Does that count?

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 09, 2023 01:57 PM (Mzdiz)

335 p.s. The answer is, "Then there wouldn't have been a song!"

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at December 09, 2023 01:58 PM (Mzdiz)

336 Miley, it does. My Congressman has gotten the same message from me

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2023 02:00 PM (LL06r)

337
Posted by: Bob at NSA at December 09, 2023 01:31 PM (W/lyH)

That's funny. Uh, wait, not making fun of you, Bob. Please stop sending messages through my fillings.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 09, 2023 01:39 PM

I had a factory about 100 feet from the Pennsylvania Turnpike and I had an employee with a hearing aide that swore he picked up the truckers CB broadcasts (''That's a big 10-4, good buddy'') on it as they drove past.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 09, 2023 02:05 PM (enJYY)

338
Makes as much sense as Venezuela taking over Guyana for its oil. What? You say that is happening?

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 09, 2023 01:42 PM

I think the reality is that Venezuela oil is dirty, sulfur wise or something so they have to buy some from the USA which is cleaner. Guyana oil is top notch. But in socialist logic, why pay for something from the Great Satan when you can simply steal it from a neighbor?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 09, 2023 02:09 PM (enJYY)

339 Little snippets of CB chatter throughout the day? I wonder how I would like that?

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 09, 2023 02:13 PM (GoNTt)

340 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the EDD so fucked up they're behind on paying FedGov back on unemployment loans to the feds so the feds are increasing unemployment insurance from CA employers to claw it back?

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at December 09, 2023 02:40 PM (JuMV1)

341 I'm sorry, but I don't understand why the person in charge of the EDD at this time would even be considered for promotion to the federal system.

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That - is why you fail.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at December 09, 2023 03:19 PM (fccLW)

342 And in the city, the priorities of the homeless take precedence over the priorities of merchants and other citizens - - - until representatives of the CCP visit!

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Virtually every suffering victim voted for what they are getting.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at December 09, 2023 03:26 PM (fccLW)

343 RE: NorCal Sierra Foothills Lurker

I see the problem. If he had been named "Jamalicka Hussein Fairyqueer" he would have gotten the check in a heartbeat.

Think I'm wrong?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at December 09, 2023 03:41 PM (r4/e+)

344 Our various governments only punish those who might feel they would have something to lose. Everyone else can go about their business.

Posted by: NoGo Hobo at December 09, 2023 03:44 PM (GSTUc)

345 Army/Navy game is on. Always kind of fun to watch.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 09, 2023 03:52 PM (V8he0)

346 I don't watch TV anymore but it is being livestreamed on the CBS Sports website.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 09, 2023 03:53 PM (V8he0)

347 On HS rail, the wooden stake is going to be inflation.
I don't see a lot of mention of this, but a $100B project that takes 10 or 20 years to complete quickly becomes a $500B project. (That means instead of losing $100 on every ticket, you start to lose $500 and no state can afford those subsidies.)

This is what killed Shoreham, and with it the entire nuclear industry in the USA. That was the 70s, last time we had this level of inflation.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at December 09, 2023 04:09 PM (r4/e+)

348 "The money will help buy six electric trains and bankroll construction and design of a train station and other facilities and projects along a 171-mile stretch of rail line in California's central valley--far from either Los Angeles or San Francisco."

HO scale, no doubt.

Posted by: molecular acid at December 09, 2023 04:30 PM (kvDvI)

349 Sidebar item: U Penn president resigns as does Board Chair:

https://tinyurl.com/2xkbpswe

PA Gov wanted her gone, biggest donor wanted her gone, now...

she gone

Posted by: kallisto at December 09, 2023 05:45 PM (PepVJ)

350 PA Gov wanted her gone, biggest donor wanted her gone, now...

she gone
Posted by: kallisto at

They allowed her to resign and stay as tenured faculty.

Plus, was there a massive payout? We'll never know.

Completely unacceptable.

Posted by: Not trying to be mean but... at December 09, 2023 05:55 PM (WLG+Q)

351 NorCal Sierra Foothills Lurker needs to call her assemblyman and ask for help. The state pays for an aide for that purpose to each member bc EDD is so effed up.

it's the only way.

Posted by: PJ at December 09, 2023 06:46 PM (G1dq6)

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