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Surprises from former "New Atheist" Ayaan Hirsi Ali and other current or former members of the left

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Michael Misita

Our culture has changed rapidly just in the past few weeks, with no show tunes to warn us that a crisis could be coming.

People are trying to provide insights into what has happened to the ways people in the West think. Some are even making suggestions about what to do next.

This story about one woman surprised me:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali becomes a Christian

After 10/7, but before the idiotic turn toward bin Laden on TikTok, Ayaan Hirsi Ali published an essay about her conversion to Christianity at UnHerd. It was republished at Free Press:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali: Why I Am Now a Christian
I was born a Muslim in Somalia. Then I became an atheist. But secular tools alone can't equip us for civilizational war.

This is not your everyday religious conversion. Both philosophical and personal reasons for her conversion are described. And she says that she is still learning what it means to be Christian.

It has been analyzed and critiqued both by atheists and Christians. Not everyone is happy about this development.

From the foreword by Bari Weiss at Free Press:

One of the biggest stories of the past few days didn't happen in Washington or Gaza or Tehran, but was an invisible change that happened inside the heart and mind of one woman: Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Ayaan is many things: she is a refugee from Somalia, where she was the victim of female genital mutilation; she was a Dutch politician whose criticism of Islam, the religion she was raised in, led to death threats.

Theo van Gogh, her collaborator on Submission, a film about Islam, was murdered in the streets of Amsterdam. The killer left a note stabbed into his body warning that Ayaan would be next.

A normal person would have shut up. But Ayaan is not normal. She wrote a memoir, Infidel. She became a mother. She became an American. And she never, ever quieted her voice.

It is for all of these reasons and many more that Ayaan is one of the great heroes of our time.

She has also been, since the early 2000s, among the most prominent atheists in the world. Or at least she was until late last week, when she announced in the pages of UnHerd that she has converted to Christianity.

The Egyptian intellectual Hussein Aboubakr Mansour wrote in reaction to the news that "Ayaan Hirsi Ali's announcement of embracing Christianity is one of the biggest pivotal moments culturally since 9/11 and I don't know how many people actually realize that. Ayaan Hirsi Ali was the poster child of what the New Atheists promised Islam. Not just is she saying that she is not certain about that promise anymore, she is saying she isn't even certain about the promise of the future the New Atheists could afford themselves.

Mansour continued: "As Western elites ditched Ayaan for the Islamists, Ayaan turned to the ancient fort of Christianity for a last escape."

I read the first tweet this guy wrote after he learned of her conversion. He really thought that it was important to a lot of former Muslims who had followed her into accepting secular western civilization. It shook him up.

Ayaan's decision to convert prompts a series of very big questions that go to the heart of the challenges facing the West at present: Can religion be justified on pragmatic grounds, or does it require sincere faith? Is an increasingly secular West doomed to lose the civilizational war we find ourselves in? Can Christianity actually serve as a unifying force in that fight? And if religion won't unite us, what else might?

I don't read Ali's conversion essay as totally pragmatic, but it certainly starts out that way. She also describes the power of the ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood to inspire people as it swept through Africa, where she was living.

Dennis Prager has, for decades, maintained that the West was losing a "unifying force" which would allow it to stand up to Marxism and Islamism. He has pushed some programs, even before "going national", to maintain general knowledge of Judeo-Christianity (such as his old "Religion on the Line" radio program) as well as ideas for promoting more meaningful commemorations of American holidays such as the Fourth of July.

From Ali's essay:

In 2002, I discovered a 1927 lecture by Bertrand Russell entitled "Why I Am Not a Christian." It did not cross my mind as I read it that one day, nearly a century after he delivered it to the South London branch of the National Secular Society, I would be compelled to write an essay with precisely the opposite title.

The year before, I had publicly condemned the terrorist attacks of the 19 men who had hijacked passenger jets and crashed them into the Twin Towers in New York. They had done it in the name of my religion, Islam. I was a Muslim then, although not a practicing one. If I truly condemned their actions, then where did that leave me? The underlying principle that justified the attacks was religious, after all: the idea of jihad or Holy War against the infidels. Was it possible for me, as for many members of the Muslim community, simply to distance myself from the action and its horrific results?

At the time, there were many eminent leaders in the West--politicians, scholars, journalists, and other experts - - who insisted that the terrorists were motivated by reasons other than the ones they and their leader Osama bin Laden had articulated so clearly. So Islam had an alibi.

This excuse-making was not only condescending toward Muslims. It also gave many Westerners a chance to retreat into denial. Blaming the errors of U.S. foreign policy was easier than contemplating the possibility that we were confronted with a religious war.

The Wiki on Ayaan Hirsi Ali is one of the longer ones I have seen. It mentions specifically videos by bin Laden as forcing her to turn away from Islam. This is the opposite of the effect that the "bin Laden letter" is having on young people reading it on TikTok. Do you wonder why?

Back to her essay:

When I read Russell's lecture, I found my cognitive dissonance easing. It was a relief to adopt an attitude of skepticism toward religious doctrine, discard my faith in God, and declare that no such entity existed. Best of all, I could reject the existence of hell and the danger of everlasting punishment.

To understand why I became an atheist 20 years ago, you first need to understand the kind of Muslim I had been. I was a teenager when the Muslim Brotherhood penetrated my community in Nairobi, Kenya, in 1985. I don't think I had even understood religious practice before the coming of the Brotherhood. I had endured the rituals of ablutions, prayers, and fasting as tedious and pointless.

The preachers of the Muslim Brotherhood changed this. They articulated a direction: the straight path. A purpose: to work toward admission into Allah's paradise after death. A method: the Prophet's instruction manual of dos and don'ts - - the halal and the haram. As a detailed supplement to the Quran, the Hadith spelled out how to put into practice the difference between right and wrong, good and evil, God and the devil.

The Brotherhood preachers left nothing to the imagination. They gave us a choice. Strive to live by the Prophet's manual and reap the glorious rewards in the hereafter. On this earth, meanwhile, the greatest achievement possible was to die as a martyr for the sake of Allah.

The alternative, indulging in the pleasures of the world, was to earn Allah's wrath and be condemned to an eternal life in hellfire. Some of the "worldly pleasures" they were decrying included reading novels, listening to music, dancing, and going to the cinema - - all of which I was ashamed to admit that I adored.

The most striking quality of the Muslim Brotherhood was their ability to transform me and my fellow teenagers from passive believers into activists, almost overnight. We didn't just say things or pray for things: we did things. As girls, we donned the burka and swore off Western fashion and makeup. The boys cultivated their facial hair to the greatest extent possible. They wore the white, dress-like thawb worn in Arab countries, or had their trousers shortened above their ankle bones. We operated in groups and volunteered our services in charity to the poor, the old, the disabled, and the weak. We urged fellow Muslims to pray and demanded that non-Muslims convert to Islam.

During Islamic study sessions, we shared with the preacher in charge of the session our worries. For instance, what should we do about the friends we loved and felt loyal to but who refused to accept our dawa (invitation to the faith)? In response, we were reminded repeatedly about the clarity of the Prophet's instructions. We were told in no uncertain terms that we could not be loyal to Allah and Muhammad while also maintaining friendships and loyalty toward the unbelievers. If they explicitly rejected our summons to Islam, we were to hate and curse them.

Here, a special hatred was reserved for one subset of unbeliever: the Jew. We cursed the Jews multiple times a day and expressed horror, disgust, and anger at the litany of offenses he had allegedly committed. . .

Her reasons for becoming a Christian are complex, and you can read them at the link.

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The New Atheists

From the Wiki:

The term New Atheism was coined by the American journalist Gary Wolf in 2006 to describe the positions of some atheist academics, writers, scientists, and philosophers of the 21st century.[1][2] New Atheism advocates the view that superstition, religion, and irrationalism should not simply be tolerated. Instead, they should be criticised, countered, examined, and challenged by rational argument, especially when they exert strong influence on the broader society, such as in government, education, and politics.[3][4] Major figures of New Atheism include Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Daniel Dennett, collectively referred to as the "four horsemen" of the movement, as well as Ayaan Hirsi Ali[5] until her conversion to Christianity in 2023.

Aside from the recent conversion of the "plus one horse-woman", some of the other New Atheists have also popped up on social media recently. Sam Harris apparently suffered some sort of a loss of credibility among his usual audience (I haven't kept track) and is said to have been on a rehabilitation tour of some sort. But he recently made a very articulate statement about antisemitism that has been widely shared.

Excerpts. Sam Harris:

Of course, the boundary between Anti-Semitism and generic moral stupidity is a little hard to discern - - and I'm not sure that it is always important to find it. I'm not sure it matters why a person can't distinguish between collateral damage in a necessary war and conscious acts of genocidal sadism that are celebrated as a religious sacrament by a death cult.

Our streets have been filled with people, literally tripping over themselves in their eagerness to demonstrate that they cannot distinguish between those who intentionally kill babies, and those who inadvertently kill them, having taken great pains to avoid killing them, while defending themselves against the very people who have just intentionally tortured and killed innocent men, women, and yes . . . babies. And who are committed to doing this again at any opportunity, and who are using their own innocent noncombatants as human shields.

If you are recognizing the humanity of actual barbarians, while demonizing the people who actually worry about war crimes and who drop leaflets and call cell phones for days, in an effort to get noncombatants to leave specific buildings before they are bombed, because those buildings sit on top of tunnels filled with genocidal lunatics - - who again, have just sedulously tortured and murdered families as though it were a religious sacrament, because for them it is a religious sacrament. If you have landed, proudly and sanctimoniously, on the wrong side of this asymmetry--this vast gulf between savagery and civilization - - while marching through the quad of an Ivy League institution wearing yoga pants, I'm not sure it matters that your moral confusion is due to the fact that you just happen to hate Jews.

One problem is that you have to be able to read to catch the message above. Or the full message at the link, which flows without breaks.

And here's a podcast by Sam Harris with an edited transcript concerning the moral confusion of this time. The Bright Line Between Good and Evil.

It is less harsh toward the young people in the USA supporting Hamas and gives them room to change their minds. You may know someone with whom it is appropriate to share:

There is no substitute for understanding what our enemies actually want and believe. I'm pretty sure that many of you reading this aren't even comfortable with my use of the term enemy, because you don't want to believe that you have any. I understand that. But you have to understand that the people who butchered over 1,400 innocent men, women, and children in Israel on October 7 were practicing their religion, sincerely. They were being every bit as spiritual, from their point of view, as the trance dancers at the Supernova festival were being from theirs. They were equally devoted to their highest values. Equally uplifted. Ecstatic. Amazed at their good fortune. They wouldn't want to trade places with anyone. Let this image land in your brain: they were shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God is great) all day long, as they murdered women and children. And these people are now being celebrated the world over by those who understand exactly what they did. Yes, many of those college kids at Harvard and Stanford and Cornell are just idiots who have a lot to learn about the world. But in the Muslim community, and that includes the crowds in London and Sydney and Brooklyn, Hamas is being celebrated by people who understand exactly what motivates them.

Again, watch Hotel Mumbai or read a book about the Islamic State so that you can see jihadism in another context--where literally not one of the variables that people imagine to be important here is present.

We all live in Israel now. We just don't realize it yet.

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Remember Christopher Hitchens? Another of the "four horsemen of the New Atheists" explains why other atheists are wrong to excuse bin Laden. The kids on TikTok were not the first:

Hitchens was not gentle.

The Charles C. W. Cooke thread includes some humorous bits, too if you have a little time. Thanksgiving is coming up.

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This is not how the New Atheists intended for things to turn out.

Richard Fernandez:

The worst of it for the cultural elite is that their ideology, which they thought would replace God and Western civilization, has turned out to be a big nothing. They are falling as through empty space without footing. Every handhold turns in an instant into an adder.

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Twenty-two years after 9/11, a new generation of Americans are romanticizing the "liberatory freedom fighter" Osama bin Laden via
@tiktok_us. A society that is so willfully committed to its self-destruction cannot survive. This reminds me of the Norwegian man who was raped by a Somali Noble Immigrant in Norway. The Norwegian man felt guilty that the Undocumented Love Maker might be deported back to Somalia wherein he might have a harsh life. Hence, the raped man was predominantly concerned with the sodomizer's future prospects. Human nature is predicated on the notion that humans & societies have a self-preservation instinct. Well, the West does not. Your grandchildren will pay a very dear price. The policies that need to be implemented to correct course are simply outside the purview of the Western mindset.

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I'm not sure how each of the New Atheists feels about this decision, but it was a close call for Christian Free Speech.

The former Finnish Home Secretary . . has been found not guilty of "hate speech" for quoting the Bible.

Four years of police investigations, prosecutions and court hearings.

But when it comes to cancel culture, the process is the punishment.

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Academia and Critical Social Justice (Wokism)

Helen Pluckrose is on the social left, but generally supports the tenets of classical liberalism and western civilization. Co-author with the feisty James Lindsay of Cynical Theories. John Cleese asks her below to explain "Woke" because representatives of this ideology won't talk to him. She responds by explaining how hard it is to have a conversation with a proponent of Critical Social Justice. She is very articulate.

Have you had difficulties having a discussion with someone who has taken some of the Grievance Studies in school? Have you given up trying?

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Round 2: Helen's friend Peter Boghossian (often considered to be one of the New Atheists) joins John Cleese:

Peter Boghossian has written about How to Have Impossible Conversations and has produced videos with some examples of how to engage in such conversations with people who have differing points of view.

Have you ever run across his ideas about communication?


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Streaming Culture

Maybe it's not all the fault of academia.

Pew: 32% of Young People Get Their News from China's TikTok

Wesley Yang:

When we made the succession from a text based culture to a streaming one, all prior knowledge instantly evanesced, reformatting all prior culture and leaving a blank slate

In the resulting brave new world children can know they are the opposite sex, mass murderers of civilians are heroes of resistance - - and Osama Bin Laden is a profound and wrongly maligned truth teller

Anything can happen now

Make sure your kids have some old books to read.

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Christina Buttons:

Hamas Cheerleaders Are All Over Instagram

Since 10/7, young social-media users have been inundated with memes that present terrorists as social justice champions.

I had no idea that she used to be a leftist "influencer" working for a high-dollar outfit. Here she exposes some others.

A survey of 2,116 registered U.S. voters, conducted in mid-October by The Harris Poll and HarrisX, revealed a striking generational divide on the Israel-Palestine conflict. Approximately half of those respondents aged 18 to 34 expressed the belief that the mass killing of Israeli civilians could be justified by Palestinian grievances. As the age of respondents increased, support for this proposition declined significantly. A similar pattern was reflected in the responses to other questions about Israel.

This result cannot be blamed - - at least not entirely - - on the political atmosphere on U.S. campuses, as only about 35 percent of Americans aged 25 and older in the United States have a bachelor degree. Almost all Americans consume social media in some form, however. And these online spaces are where much of the pro-terror radicalization seems to be occurring.

Video is an especially effective propaganda medium. . .

I recognize these propaganda techniques because back in 2020, I was responsible for curating and creating content for an influential progressive Instagram account with more than 730,000 followers. My role was to keep people engaged and enraged. Like many other old-fashioned liberals, I'd mistakenly perceived the social-justice phenomenon as a moral extrapolation of the civil-rights movement. In time, I realized that what I was really doing was signal-boosting the values of far-left academics seeking to destroy liberal values. Part of that Marxist-inspired academic movement involves slotting whole swathes of humanity into boxes marked either "oppressor" or "oppressed." Having put the Palestinians in the second box, these ideologues are inclined to support any action, however monstrous, presented as a strategy of liberation.

As it turns out, being an anti-oppressive social-justice revolutionary can be quite lucrative.

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Some other thoughts

I'm ready for the young woman above to deconstruct Islam and Marxism like she deconstructed Christianity.

Related

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Sexual assault center at Canadian university signs onto open letter that DENIES evidence that women were raped and sexually assaulted during Hamas terrorist attacks in Israel.

It wasn't "just" rape.

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Again, destruction in Homs, Syria.

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It is getting more and more like the Chinese Cultural Revolution, seriously!!

Be careful about sending your kids to college. Maybe when they come home for Thanksgiving, you should just keep them home.

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Weekend

Powerline's Week in Pictures

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Music

Bonaparte's Retreat

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Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs


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Last week's thread, November 11, Veterans Day in a time that reminds us how important veterans are

Comments are closed so you won't ban yourself by trying to comment on a week-old thread. But don't try it anyway.


Posted by: K.T. at 11:13 AM




Comments

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1 The Economist: Donald Trump Is the 'Biggest Danger to the World'

Posted by: Last Days of the Republic at November 18, 2023 11:16 AM (ko8ct)

2 First!

Posted by: Reforger at November 18, 2023 11:22 AM (XlxiJ)

3 Last Days of the Republic at November 18, 2023 11:16 AM

They don't understand, do they?

Posted by: KT at November 18, 2023 11:22 AM (rrtZS)

4 Yes, the problem with the "new atheists" is not that they don't believe in God, it's that they seem to find it necessary to always be arguing their point with people who don't agree with them.

Why is that a problem?

Because they're dishonest about it. How do I know they're dishonest about it? Because they admit they allow themselves the privilege of using tactics that ARE dishonest when trying to win arguments.

Sam Harris is probably not the worst, but I find him the most insufferable of the bunch, because he fancies himself the smartest. He's in a way, an anti-Ben Shapiro. Scoring wins against stupid people, and being respected by people who agree with him, because he helps their cause.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:23 AM (QBaJw)

5 Beat me
They should have had more show tunes in reality but it's a soulless society

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2023 11:24 AM (fwDg9)

6 I posted on a previous thread that I’m glad Ayaan Hirsi Ali ‘became’ a Christian but based on her statement it seemed more like picking the best spiritual philosophy she could find as opposed to becoming ‘born again’ . I hope she makes that final step in her journey where she will find the real peace she is searching for.

Posted by: Drive by at November 18, 2023 11:24 AM (MNhXM)

7 Sometimes I think that I will be content just to not wake up in a Mayan afterlife, gnawed by nameless things in the dark forever.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 18, 2023 11:26 AM (aD39U)

8 Last Days of the Republic at November 18, 2023 11:16 AM

They don't understand, do they?
Posted by: KT at November 18, 2023 11:22 AM (rrtZS)

They do understand. Hitler thought Churchill was the biggest threat to the world. And when seeing it from his worldview, he was right.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:26 AM (QBaJw)

9 We were told in no uncertain terms that we could not be loyal to Allah and Muhammad while also maintaining friendships and loyalty toward the unbelievers. If they explicitly rejected our summons to Islam, we were to hate and curse them.

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They seem nice.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 18, 2023 11:27 AM (hiMh5)

10 They should have had more show tunes in reality but it's a soulless society
Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2023 11:24 AM (fwDg9)

They had trannies. It's funny how the trannies always seem to show up when a godless society is about to be destroyed.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:28 AM (QBaJw)

11 Any time there is talk of inclusion it really means exclusion. If there are 10 jobs available, and the positions need to be filled for diversity and inclusion by definition means someone has to be excluded.

Posted by: Montec at November 18, 2023 11:29 AM (bWsRe)

12 7 Sometimes I think that I will be content just to not wake up in a Mayan afterlife, gnawed by nameless things in the dark forever.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 18, 2023 11:26 AM (aD39U

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I understand that in Sheol, you just sort of shuffle around bumping into things. An eternity of being Joe Biden.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 18, 2023 11:29 AM (hiMh5)

13 Speaking of hell, I saw Roz Carter has been entered into hospice now. And Jimmah's been in hospice for what, about 3 years?

Somethin' tells me he don't wanna go. I can understand why.

Not unrelated: Kissinger still lives. And Soros.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:32 AM (QBaJw)

14 6 I posted on a previous thread that I’m glad Ayaan Hirsi Ali ‘became’ a Christian but based on her statement it seemed more like picking the best spiritual philosophy she could find as opposed to becoming ‘born again’ . I hope she makes that final step in her journey where she will find the real peace she is searching for.
Posted by: Drive by at November 18, 2023 11:24 AM (MNhXM)

CS Lewis account of his own conversion began quite similarly. Like Lewis, Ali is too intellectually honest to accept the lies she is being told to accept - people with that kind of strength are rare. Earlier, it was posted here this week that Conversion has 3 levels; Intellectual, Moral, and Spiritual. When the first comes, the next two are sure to follow.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 11:32 AM (q3gwH)

15 The Mayans were a relatively easy conversion to Christianity since, unless you were a royal, the Mayan afterlife was pretty much akin to our Hell.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 18, 2023 11:32 AM (aD39U)

16 and they liked the Virgin Mary.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 18, 2023 11:33 AM (aD39U)

17 They had trannies. It's funny how the trannies always seem to show up when a godless society is about to be destroyed.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:28 AM (QBaJw)

I think it's a sign of a society no longer willing to defend itself, not even on a personal level. Inevitable that predators show up quickly.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 11:34 AM (q3gwH)

18 The left will slit our throats at 5:58 and sit down for dinner at 6:00 without missing a beat. They are evil vile garbage.

Posted by: Montec at November 18, 2023 11:35 AM (bWsRe)

19 And also not totally unrelated, we got rain last night.

Which is weird. I'm not saying it's hell, but I do wonder who pissed off God around here.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:35 AM (QBaJw)

20 Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:23 AM (QBaJw)

At this point (well actually a couple of years ago), after years of hearing or reading what he says, I'm officially tired of Sam Harris, and I skip over what he has to say. You're an atheist, Sam? Well, whoopee! You think you're a gift to intellectual rigor? Probably not, but I expect you're probably made a fairly good living from being a "preacher."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 11:36 AM (RSbhh)

21 The left will slit our throats at 5:58 and sit down for dinner at 6:00 without missing a beat.


Yes ... well ... err ... hmm ... quite.

Those bastards!

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 18, 2023 11:36 AM (aD39U)

22 C S Lewis quite explicitly rejected any argument from utility. Repeatedly.

The best treatment I know of the New Atheists is Ed Feser's in The Last Superstition. He doesn't hold his punches.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 18, 2023 11:36 AM (brAQZ)

23 They had trannies. It's funny how the trannies always seem to show up when a godless society is about to be destroyed.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:28 AM (QBaJw)

I think it's a sign of a society no longer willing to defend itself, not even on a personal level. Inevitable that predators show up quickly.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 11:34 AM (q3gwH)

A story that's been told literally and metaphorically for eons. When the light goes out, all the things that had been lurking in the shadows approach.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:37 AM (QBaJw)

24 I loved Hitchens’ writing. His atheism always pissed me off, though.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 11:38 AM (JrojV)

25 They do understand. Hitler thought Churchill was the biggest threat to the world. And when seeing it from his worldview, he was right.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:26 AM (QBaJw)

there was a clip this week of the loathsome Piers Morgan arguing with a guest on his talk show, some fat Muslim teacher, who was claiming that Winston Churchill should have been charged with genocide for attacking Germany in ww2. Honestly Pier's show would be a lot better if he just gave his guests folding chairs to beat each other over the head with.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 11:38 AM (q3gwH)

26 story that's been told literally and metaphorically for eons. When the light goes out, all the things that had been lurking in the shadows approach.

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Well said.

Posted by: Moron Robbie was told there are no oceans near the Panama Canal at November 18, 2023 11:39 AM (pQ2gM)

27 I think our Summer burn ban is over. I need to go burn deadfalls and shit.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 18, 2023 11:40 AM (aD39U)

28 At this point (well actually a couple of years ago), after years of hearing or reading what he says, I'm officially tired of Sam Harris, and I skip over what he has to say. You're an atheist, Sam? Well, whoopee! You think you're a gift to intellectual rigor? Probably not, but I expect you're probably made a fairly good living from being a "preacher."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 11:36 AM (RSbhh)

And I can't stress this enough. You know you must preach from your faith, with honesty and integrity.

Sam will openly admit, he's not constrained by such trivial things. His "morality" tells him he can be as dishonest as he wants, if it helps him "win" his arguments.

I'm not afraid to call that evil.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:40 AM (QBaJw)

29 KT,
Great read today. Thank you.

Posted by: lin-duh at November 18, 2023 11:40 AM (QBwwm)

30 some fat Muslim teacher, who was claiming that Winston Churchill should have been charged with genocide for attacking Germany in ww2.
________

I'd have thought even Piers Morgan would have realized Churchill became PM DURING the war. Chamberlain declared war.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 18, 2023 11:41 AM (brAQZ)

31 Thanks for the great essay and links, KT.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 11:42 AM (RSbhh)

32 there was a clip this week of the loathsome Piers Morgan arguing with a guest on his talk show, some fat Muslim teacher, who was claiming that Winston Churchill should have been charged with genocide for attacking Germany in ww2. Honestly Pier's show would be a lot better if he just gave his guests folding chairs to beat each other over the head with.
Posted by: Tom Servo

I might actually tune in for that.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 18, 2023 11:42 AM (R4t5M)

33 there was a clip this week of the loathsome Piers Morgan arguing with a guest on his talk show, some fat Muslim teacher, who was claiming that Winston Churchill should have been charged with genocide for attacking Germany in ww2. Honestly Pier's show would be a lot better if he just gave his guests folding chairs to beat each other over the head with.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 11:38 AM (q3gwH)

Morgan is in a huge pile of people, including the likes of Bill Mahar, and others I have forgotten, who have nothing to say that I find I need to hear.

That he has influence doesn't really bother me, because I figure those who are influenced are not of much use anyway.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:43 AM (QBaJw)

34 Do we know what kind of Christianity Ali has embraced? Catholicism? Protestantism? Something else?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 11:44 AM (JrojV)

35 Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:40 AM (QBaJw)

I agree. As far as the "School of Theism" I preferred Christopher Hitchens while not agreeing with him. I think he was more intelligent than Harris.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 11:45 AM (RSbhh)

36 Mexicans have long noted, somewhat ruefully, that their people and their culture are the bastard offspring of the two most bloody and violent groups of Religious Fanatics at the time - the Spanish and the Aztecs. It explains a lot of the weirdness that runs through Mexican culture, especially the fascination with Death.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 11:45 AM (q3gwH)

37 OT: I apologize for so early in thread.
I've been getting Medicare scam calls for the last two weeks, even as many as 8 in on day. Alway autocall that connects to live person (with strong dot-Indian accent).
Right now was different. Got a live call direct.
When I as for his company name, phone number, and website, guy goes, "Naw, I don't have to give that to you"
Me: "Where are you calling from? India or Pakistan?"
Him: "California"
Me: "What time is it in California?"
Him: "I don't need to tell you, you should already know"
eventually he gets frustrated and calls me a mother f**ker.
I call him a benchod and the call ends.
Handy to know that Hindi curseword:
ben = sister
chod = f**ker.
Works with various family members inserted.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 18, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)

38 some fat Muslim teacher, who was claiming that Winston Churchill should have been charged with genocide for attacking Germany in ww2.
________

I'd have thought even Piers Morgan would have realized Churchill became PM DURING the war. Chamberlain declared war.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 18, 2023 11:41 AM (brAQZ)

I suppose if we're getting technical, there are many who claim the British and Americans are guilty of "war crimes" for their bombing raids on Germany, later in the war.

Which of course is armchair quarterbacking at this point. Nobody could say with any honesty they knew at what point the Germans would give up (or the Japs in the Pacific), so it might be easy to say now we shouldn't have targeted civilians. All the arguments back and forth on that are pointless, when people made decisions then, based on what they knew.

And it's particularly disingenuous when they try to make the SAME arguments now, when discussing a certain conflict going on as we speak.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:47 AM (QBaJw)

39 36 Mexicans have long noted, somewhat ruefully, that their people and their culture are the bastard offspring of the two most bloody and violent groups of Religious Fanatics at the time - the Spanish and the Aztecs. It explains a lot of the weirdness that runs through Mexican culture, especially the fascination with Death.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 11:45 AM (q3gwH)

Yeah, well, what can I say. Also the Catholic practice of taking native festivals, stripping them of their pagan meaning and adding a Christian one to make it appealing. I mean, how do you get evergreen trees as a part of the celebration of Christ's birth? Or Easter eggs with his ressurection?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 18, 2023 11:47 AM (ynpvh)

40 Do we know what kind of Christianity Ali has embraced? Catholicism? Protestantism? Something else?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 11:44 AM (JrojV)

Hopefully not those demon scum, the Presbytariains.*


*Kidding.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:48 AM (QBaJw)

41 40 Do we know what kind of Christianity Ali has embraced? Catholicism? Protestantism? Something else?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 11:44 AM (JrojV)

Hopefully not those demon scum, the Presbytariains.*


*Kidding.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:48 AM (QBaJw)

::: the Mormons have entered the chat :::

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 18, 2023 11:49 AM (ynpvh)

42 Conversion has 3 levels; Intellectual, Moral, and Spiritual. When the first comes, the next two are sure to follow.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 11:32 AM (q3gwH)

Unfortunately I’ve seen it not work that way for people searching for the wrong things and not getting an immediate fix. Again praying for her to get to that final step.

Posted by: Drive by at November 18, 2023 11:50 AM (MNhXM)

43 40 LOL. BurtTC, I am a Presbyterian. A proud member of God’s Frozen People.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 11:50 AM (JrojV)

44 Have you had difficulties having a discussion with someone who has taken some of the Grievance Studies in school? Have you given up trying?

This is a toughie. How do you preserve the relationship with someone whose entire identity is wrapped up in leftist lies? They react extremely negatively when someone contradicts whatever they need to believe.

Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2023 11:51 AM (Sf2cq)

45 And I like the cleverness of the initial quote by Michael Misita.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 11:51 AM (RSbhh)

46
Not everyone is happy about this development.

Best of luck to her. The islamists aren't too keen on people who leave the cult.

She'll need security better then Salmon Rushdie had.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 18, 2023 11:51 AM (enJYY)

47 Wouldn't it be funny if Ali is a Unitarian Universalist? The joke would be on her.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 18, 2023 11:52 AM (hiMh5)

48 Wow. A lot to take in here. Nice job, KT.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 18, 2023 11:53 AM (V8he0)

49 Handy to know that Hindi curseword:
ben = sister
chod = f**ker.
Works with various family members inserted.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 18, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)

After making sure I was on the "No Call" list, I started telling them that as I was on the list they were committing a crime. I also told them that Jesus loved them and wanted them to know him, but I didn't talk to criminals.
Calls stopped pretty quick after that, for whatever reason.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 18, 2023 11:53 AM (nC+QA)

50 Mexicans have long noted, somewhat ruefully, that their people and their culture are the bastard offspring of the two most bloody and violent groups of Religious Fanatics at the time - the Spanish and the Aztecs. It explains a lot of the weirdness that runs through Mexican culture, especially the fascination with Death.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 11:45 AM (q3gwH)

Part of me laments, we COULD have influence over the Mexican nation, if we had our own house in order, but instead we have a corrupt government south of our border, and a people who desperately want a better life. So they come here.

It's one of the complexities of the border crisis, that there ARE decent people (a majority, I'm sure) who want to come here for reasons I can understand. I can also understand (for obvious reasons) those who want the border shut down completely.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:54 AM (QBaJw)

51 46 Wasn’t Ali the one who collaborated with Theo Van Gogh on the Fitnah movie? I think she already has a price on her head, and the requisite security.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 11:54 AM (JrojV)

52 43 40 LOL. BurtTC, I am a Presbyterian. A proud member of God’s Frozen People.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 11:50 AM (JrojV)

Ha! Thankfully, a people with a sense of humor.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:55 AM (QBaJw)

53 Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 11:50 AM (JrojV)

You probably know this, but if you have one near you try the PCA. They are the more conservative branch of the Presbyterian Church.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 11:56 AM (RSbhh)

54 And it's particularly disingenuous when they try to make the SAME arguments now, when discussing a certain conflict going on as we speak.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:47 AM (QBaJw

It's been notable that none of us have really even mentioned that war this morning - that's because it's basically over, an amusing little fact that none of the protestors seem to realize. Oh, there's a long period of mop-up coming, and the hostage situation which is now just a sick game of hide and seek. but it's winding down.

and then there's the other war, in Ukraine, and the only noteworthy thing there is the despair it's backers are feeling at realizing that everyone has suddenly gotten sick to death of even hearing about it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 11:56 AM (q3gwH)

55 Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a joke at November 18, 2023 11:56 AM (aD39U)

56 34 Do we know what kind of Christianity Ali has embraced? Catholicism? Protestantism? Something else?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 11:44 AM (JrojV)


This strikes me as a weird question. Being a Christian means you have trusted Christ to solve your sin and death problem and you are following Him and loving God.

Does a denominational label matter?

Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2023 11:56 AM (Sf2cq)

57 Fantastic content KT!

I praise God for the conversion of Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Only God knows if it’s genuine but I assume it is…. Those who make a long journey to God often end up being most committed because it didn’t come easily or by default. Jesus did describe it as the “narrow way” which few find… implying that true conversion is hard work. I think Jordan Peterson is on a similar journey though I’m not sure he was ever an atheist; just not an orthodox Christian.

Sam Harris talking about good and evil as a proud atheist is ironically funny. What authority is the basis of your morality, Sam? Without God it’s a free for all… amazing someone so smart could miss that simple concept

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 18, 2023 11:57 AM (vezcz)

58 53 Thanks, Fen. I’ll check on that.

As long as they have a choir…

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 11:57 AM (JrojV)

59 Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a joke at November 18, 2023 11:56 AM (aD39U)

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LOL

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 18, 2023 11:58 AM (hiMh5)

60 I hope Ali finds peace with herself and good guidance

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2023 11:58 AM (fwDg9)

61 Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2023 11:56 AM (Sf2cq)

I think people are just curious since she says that she does go to church.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 11:59 AM (RSbhh)

62 ::: the Mormons have entered the chat :::
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 18, 2023 11:49 AM (ynpvh)

On a personal note, I returned to Grand Junction this week to close on my house there. Was surprised by how quickly the Mormons are building their new community there. The temple(?) is being built, and it's huge. Lots of California plates around town.

They're going to change the place, I believe.... and no, that's not why I left.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:59 AM (QBaJw)

63 You probably know this, but if you have one near you try the PCA. They are the more conservative branch of the Presbyterian Church.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 11:56 AM (RSbhh


We're attending PCA and we love our pastor and congregation. They're not dunkers, but at least they have weekly Communion.

Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2023 11:59 AM (Sf2cq)

64 43 40 LOL. BurtTC, I am a Presbyterian. A proud member of God’s Frozen People.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 11:50 AM (JrojV)

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It's still not too late to save your soul, you know.

Posted by: The Seventh-Day Adventists at November 18, 2023 11:59 AM (hiMh5)

65 56 Emmie, I’m just curious as to what flavor of Christianity — and there are significant theological differences between the branches — a former Muslim and atheist would be most attracted to.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 12:00 PM (JrojV)

66 55, 59 - LoL

We Baptists tell a joke about getting to heaven and having to be quiet as we walk by these small circles of people. St Peter finally tells us: Oh be quiet around those Baptists, they think they’re the only ones here!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 18, 2023 12:00 PM (vezcz)

67 Does a denominational label matter?
Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2023 11:56 AM (Sf2cq)


Sure. Let's say that you are attracted to Lutheran theology. It makes a difference if you go to a LCMS or Wisconsin Synod church vs the ELCA.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a joke at November 18, 2023 12:00 PM (aD39U)

68 She'll need security better then Salmon Rushdie had.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 18, 2023 11:51 AM (enJYY)

Honestly, I was surprised it took them that long to get to Rushdie... and not finish the job.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 12:00 PM (QBaJw)

69 It's still not too late to save your soul, you know.
Posted by: The Seventh-Day Adventists

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Yes it is.

Posted by: The Calvinists at November 18, 2023 12:01 PM (hiMh5)

70 I think people are just curious since she says that she does go to church.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 11:59 AM (RSbhh)


Ah, so where is she attending is the question.

Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2023 12:01 PM (Sf2cq)

71 Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a joke at November 18, 2023 11:56 AM (aD39U)

that is funny, Lutheran Synods are the same way.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 12:01 PM (q3gwH)

72 Honestly, I was surprised it took them that long to get to Rushdie... and not finish the job.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 12:00 PM (QBaJw)

Rushdie should have known he could never let his guard down.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 12:03 PM (q3gwH)

73 It's been notable that none of us have really even mentioned that war this morning - that's because it's basically over, an amusing little fact that none of the protestors seem to realize. Oh, there's a long period of mop-up coming, and the hostage situation which is now just a sick game of hide and seek. but it's winding down.

and then there's the other war, in Ukraine, and the only noteworthy thing there is the despair it's backers are feeling at realizing that everyone has suddenly gotten sick to death of even hearing about it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 11:56 AM (q3gwH)

I'm sure many people prayed for a speedy conclusion to this thing in Gaza, with as few civilian casualties as possible.

The warhawks will be sorely disappointed if it DOESN'T result in a more general conflagration. I hope and pray they are.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 12:03 PM (QBaJw)

74 I think at Lutheran synods they have fistfights over the correct recipe for tuna casserole.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 12:04 PM (JrojV)

75 I am LCMS, which is considered to be pretty orthodox. And yet the Wisconsin Synod doesn't fellowship with us because we let a couple of seminary students become ministers without renouncing their Seminex heresies, back in the 1960s.

They really hold a grudge.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 18, 2023 12:04 PM (aD39U)

76 Grump at 55 wins the thread.

Posted by: tsj017 at November 18, 2023 12:05 PM (nO4H1)

77 74 I think at Lutheran synods they have fistfights over the correct recipe for tuna casserole.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 12:04 PM (JrojV)

I thought it was about the Jello.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 18, 2023 12:05 PM (ynpvh)

78 Just want to add -- we currently worship in with a PCA congregation but we've also had good experiences in Evangelical Free churches and non-denominational churches. Gotta watch out with non-denoms, though, that they humbly seek God's will and are not just a group that's gone off-kilter.

Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2023 12:05 PM (Sf2cq)

79 I thought it was about the Jello.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 18, 2023 12:05 PM (ynpvh)



The fruit vs vegetable factions are irreconcilable.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 18, 2023 12:05 PM (aD39U)

80 There's no place like Homs for the holidays

Posted by: Full of seasonal cheer! at November 18, 2023 12:06 PM (8vw5b)

81 She's a Deist.

Posted by: sven at November 18, 2023 12:06 PM (X0I7i)

82 Wow, KT, a girthy post.

A comment:
superstition, religion, and irrationalism
Note how 'religion' snuggles in there between those other two. The assumption of atheists being that 'religion' IS superstitious and irrational. While I might go with 'irrational', the point is that religion is something no thinking man could believe in.

It's ultimately an expression of materialism, which is, actually a religion.

they should be criticised, countered, examined, and challenged by rational argument
Well, if you believe reason is the entire operating principle of the universe, you've just described a religion.

They want to tell you they aren't espousing a religion because they disavow all non-rationality, they're giving you a circular argument. Reason is my operating principle, so all non-reason must be cast aside.

This is why I keep stressing that Progressivism is a religion. It's a materialistic Christian heresy. You can't act successfully against it until you see that. Sure, you can win a skirmish or two, but you can't fight and win the necessary battles until you figure out what you're truly fighting.

Posted by: GWB at November 18, 2023 12:06 PM (JgU20)

83
Rushdie should have known he could never let his guard down.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 12:03 PM


My recall was that security was there but just totally unprepared for someone rushing the stage. So the guard let the guard down in effect. I'm nearly blind in one eye and life goes on, so I'm glad he survived the attack. Just another example of the savagery of too many of the adherents of the cult.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 18, 2023 12:06 PM (enJYY)

84 In City of Faith, Augustine said that jello recipes don't matter.

Or maybe it was Cosby.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 18, 2023 12:07 PM (hiMh5)

85 It's still not too late to save your soul, you know.
Posted by: The Seventh-Day Adventists

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Yes it is.
Posted by: The Calvinists at November 18, 2023 12:01 PM (hiMh5

No it's not.

Posted by: Jehovah's Witnesses at November 18, 2023 12:07 PM (QBaJw)

86 City of God.

Sorry Augie.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 18, 2023 12:08 PM (hiMh5)

87 I thought it was about the Jello.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 18, 2023 12:05 PM (ynpvh)

The fruit vs vegetable factions are irreconcilable.


Thank God the anchovy heresy has been stamped out.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 18, 2023 12:08 PM (I/Qkd)

88 Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2023 11:59 AM (Sf2cq)

That's great. Our denomination has a tradition of having communion once a month-unless they're are two services, but we have been having it weekly for about five months or so and I think we'll keep up with it. It's been wonderful for me and nobody has complained.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 12:08 PM (RSbhh)

89 I posted on a previous thread that I’m glad Ayaan Hirsi Ali ‘became’ a Christian but based on her statement it seemed more like picking the best spiritual philosophy she could find as opposed to becoming ‘born again’ . I hope she makes that final step in her journey where she will find the real peace she is searching for.
Posted by: Drive by at November 18, 2023 11:24 AM (MNhXM)

To be "born again" as a Christian, does one not have to have been a Christian of some sort in the first place? If Ayaan Hirsi Ali has become a sincere Christian, it matters not to me if she has been born again.

She should shitcan the name Ali, though, since it is inextricably linked with the evil of islam.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2023 12:09 PM (yLuBw)

90 OK, all, time for me to get some stuff done.

Provided I can overcome the strongest force in the universe — that between my backside and the couch — I’ll see you all later.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 12:09 PM (JrojV)

91 Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a joke at November 18, 2023 11:56 AM (aD39U)

Emo Philips, Hasty Pudding Theatre.

Posted by: It was a good performance at November 18, 2023 12:10 PM (8vw5b)

92 74 I think at Lutheran synods they have fistfights over the correct recipe for tuna casserole.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 18, 2023 12:04 PM (JrojV)

*********

From what I hear from my Lutheran relatives, the factions representing casseroles made of tater tots, casseroles made of hash browns, made of elbow macaroni, etc., have brawls that rival the news teams brawl in Anchorman.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at November 18, 2023 12:11 PM (xxG/v)

93 Thank God the anchovy heresy has been stamped out.


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Schismatic!

Posted by: Synod of Christian Anchovists at November 18, 2023 12:11 PM (hiMh5)

94 I also posted on a previous thread my opinion that if John 3:16 is not the core tenet of your religion then you're not a Christian religion.

Posted by: Drive by at November 18, 2023 12:11 PM (MNhXM)

95 Grump at 55 wins the thread.
Posted by: tsj017 at November 18, 2023 12:05 PM (nO4H1)

Dammit! I was hoping to win on quantity over quality.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 12:12 PM (QBaJw)

96 I think our Summer burn ban is over. I need to go burn deadfalls and shit.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 18, 2023 11:40 AM (aD39U)

Heh. I just got my burn permit in email this morning. Guess I will have to go flash up the firepit. I have two 2.5 gallon pressurized water extinguishers. I will fill and charge them, and keep them near the firepit in case the fire tries to creep away in the short dry grass.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2023 12:13 PM (yLuBw)

97 85 It's still not too late to save your soul, you know.
Posted by: The Seventh-Day Adventists

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Yes it is.
Posted by: The Calvinists at November 18, 2023 12:01 PM (hiMh5

No it's not.

Posted by: Jehovah's Witnesses at November 18, 2023 12:07 PM (QBaJw)

Okay, I LOLed.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 18, 2023 12:14 PM (ynpvh)

98 To be "born again" as a Christian, does one not have to have been a Christian of some sort in the first place?
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No.
It refers to becoming a Christian and leaving your "old life" behind. Your first birth is being born.

Posted by: lin-duh at November 18, 2023 12:15 PM (QBwwm)

99 but we have been having it weekly for about five months or so and I think we'll keep up with it. It's been wonderful for me and nobody has complained.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 12:08 PM (RSbhh)


Our last church had it monthly. Wonderful congregation so we decided we could live with that. But we sure missed it and it's so good to return to a weekly remembrance.

The denomination I grew up in had it weekly but the theology has devolved. There are believing congregations but the denominational leadership is completely off the rails.

Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2023 12:15 PM (Sf2cq)

100 I'd of been in the top 100 but I got caught up in the week in pictures.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 18, 2023 12:17 PM (uSHSS)

101 Listening to CJN Speaks and painting, good combination

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2023 12:19 PM (fwDg9)

102 Fen, bless you for having weekly Communion. That is a special meditation time for me as I reflect how completely Jesus emptied Himself for me and how I should devote myself to Him in response.

Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2023 12:20 PM (Sf2cq)

103 100 I'd of been in the top 100 but I got caught up in the week in pictures.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 18, 2023 12:17 PM (uSHSS)

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Enough with the excuse-making. You're on probation.

Posted by: The AoSHQ Comment Propriety Review Referee at November 18, 2023 12:20 PM (hiMh5)

104 96 When I was a kid, one of my great joys was "Billy, take the trash out and burn it." We had a 55 gallon drum behind the garage and Mom would give me some kitchen matches. Also, everybody, even in the city, burned leaves and the smell would overcome the Republic Steel coke plant.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 18, 2023 12:21 PM (0EOe9)

105
Nursery area set up and whelping box assembled.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 18, 2023 12:22 PM (MoZTd)

106 Texas Theology:

1. The Jews do not recognize the Divinity of Christ.

2. Episcopalians do not recognize the Office of the Pope.

2. Southern Baptists do not recognize one another in a Liquor Store.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 18, 2023 12:22 PM (e6UQI)

107 I have a friend who lived on a kibbutz in the 1970's, served in the IDF, although she eventually came back to the US. One thing she always has stressed is that most (all?) Westerners do not understand the total, all encompassing belief in Islam that drives the terrorism.

Posted by: Lirio100 at November 18, 2023 12:22 PM (oQNjO)

108 Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2023 12:15 PM (Sf2cq)

Yes; Unfortunately the leadership in many denominations has gone off the rails in many denominations. I am glad you have found a place where traditional faith is affirmed, Jesus lifted up, and you can enjoy fellowship and Holy Communion regularly.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 12:22 PM (RSbhh)

109 Greetings! In the Judeo-Christian philosophy there is such a thing as the Golden Rule, which simply states treat others as you would wish to be treated.
Islam has no similar philosophy. Quite the opposite.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 18, 2023 12:23 PM (MeG8a)

110 Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2023 12:20 PM (Sf2cq)

Amen; That's great!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 12:23 PM (RSbhh)

111 When I was a kid, one of my great joys was "Billy, take the trash out and burn it." We had a 55 gallon drum behind the garage and Mom would give me some kitchen matches. Also, everybody, even in the city, burned leaves and the smell would overcome the Republic Steel coke plant.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 18, 2023 12:21 PM (0EOe9)

Oh, I have a burn barrel, and use it frequently. This is a permit for an open burn, brush and tree limbs, stuff to big for the barrel. And some real old car seats, cotton and horsehair and mouse turds. Best way to get rid of them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2023 12:24 PM (yLuBw)

112 106 Heh. Southern Baptists don't recognize one another in a liquor store. You should see them mask up in Indian Casinos across the state line.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 18, 2023 12:25 PM (0EOe9)

113 I hope Ali finds peace with herself and good guidance
Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2023 11:58 AM (fwDg9)


I read that as: I hope Ali finds peace with herself and good riddance.
Does that make me a bad person?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 18, 2023 12:25 PM (uSHSS)

114 When I was a kid, one of my great joys was "Billy, take the trash out and burn it." We had a 55 gallon drum behind the garage and Mom would give me some kitchen matches. Also, everybody, even in the city, burned leaves and the smell would overcome the Republic Steel coke plant.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 18, 2023 12:21 PM (0EOe9)

Back in the day, when having a typical argument it would go like this:

1 - Shut up!
2 - Make me!
1 - I don't make trash, I burn it!

These kids today wouldn't even understand what a... eh, sick burn that is.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 12:26 PM (QBaJw)

115 Nursery area set up and whelping box assembled.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 18, 2023 12:22 PM (MoZTd)

Do you need a whelping box if the pups are going to be delivered by Caesarian? Or is that just in case?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2023 12:26 PM (yLuBw)

116 And I am very happy for the decision in Helsinki.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 12:26 PM (RSbhh)

117 Q: Do you know why Italians don't like Jehovah's Witnesses?


A: (in Godfaddah voice)... Because Italians don't like ANY witnesses!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 18, 2023 12:27 PM (e6UQI)

118 I'd of been in the top 100 but I got caught up in the week in pictures.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 18, 2023 12:17 PM (uSHSS)

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Enough with the excuse-making. You're on probation.
Posted by: The AoSHQ Comment Propriety Review Referee at November 18, 2023 12:20 PM (hiMh5)
***

I still get to keep my tin foil membership though, right?
Right???

Posted by: Diogenes at November 18, 2023 12:28 PM (uSHSS)

119 If Hitler said something bad about Colonizers the Tik Tok kids would be showing him love.

It's all the rage this colonizer thing. Super popular Black Panther has super genius African teen berating white people as colonizers.

It's not a coincidence.

Posted by: blaster at November 18, 2023 12:28 PM (dWjpk)

120
Oh, I have a burn barrel, and use it frequently. This is a permit for an open burn, brush and tree limbs, stuff to big for the barrel. And some real old car seats, cotton and horsehair and mouse turds. Best way to get rid of them.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2023 12:24 PM (yLuBw

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In SoCal you would draw a SWAT team if you tried to burn your trash.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 18, 2023 12:29 PM (hiMh5)

121 Emmie - I too really felt at home in the Evangelical Free Church. The first one I attended still had a Swedish Bible in the narthex.

Posted by: grammie winger - I don't belong here at November 18, 2023 12:29 PM (45fpk)

122 I have a friend who lived on a kibbutz in the 1970's, served in the IDF, although she eventually came back to the US. One thing she always has stressed is that most (all?) Westerners do not understand the total, all encompassing belief in Islam that drives the terrorism.
Posted by: Lirio100 at November 18, 2023 12:22 PM (oQNjO)

Oh, I think people understand it.

Perhaps what a lot of Israelis don't understand is how many people in western nations don't give a damn, as long as the muzzie terrorists are going after them and not us.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 12:29 PM (QBaJw)

123 It's been notable that none of us have really even mentioned that war this morning - that's because it's basically over, an amusing little fact that none of the protestors seem to realize.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 11:56 AM (q3gwH)


Southern Gaza might be much more difficult than Northern Gaza. And Hezbollah in the north is a huge threat if Iran pushes them to attack.

The outcome of the war is not in question, but the war is most definitely not over.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2023 12:29 PM (3Gtis)

124
Do you need a whelping box if the pups are going to be delivered by Caesarian? Or is that just in case?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2023 12:26 PM (yLuBw)

___________

It's Mama's "den" and contains the babies, who learn to motor around pretty quickly.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 18, 2023 12:30 PM (MoZTd)

125 It's Mama's "den" and contains the babies, who learn to motor around pretty quickly.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 18, 2023 12:30 PM (MoZTd)

Ah, OK.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2023 12:31 PM (yLuBw)

126 Oh, I have a burn barrel, and use it frequently. This is a permit for an open burn, brush and tree limbs, stuff to big for the barrel. And some real old car seats, cotton and horsehair and mouse turds. Best way to get rid of them.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2023 12:24 PM (yLuBw)


*makes note to politely decline the invitation to BBQ at AOP's place*

Posted by: Diogenes at November 18, 2023 12:32 PM (uSHSS)

127 I haven't heard much about Egypt's reaction to what's happening in Gaza. It seems like it would be keen not to be inundated with fleeing Palis.

Nobody like the Palis (except the Harvard faculty)

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 18, 2023 12:32 PM (hiMh5)

128 "Hitler thought Churchill was the biggest threat to the world."

Barry Soetero wasted no time (when he
Section8-ed into the oval office and planted his feet on the Constitution desk) to remove Winston Churchill's bust into the basement.

Reacting to the bust like a vampire reacts to a crucifix...well, maybe that's too nasty. Sorry.

Posted by: Ju at November 18, 2023 12:32 PM (aTmM/)

129 Mentioned here before, on of the finest photos was a young lady teacher, probably in a kibbutz, riding herd on her little group of kindern with an M1 carbine slung over her shoulder. Yeah, Israel, those gun control restrictions really work. Shoulda been more like that gal.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 18, 2023 12:33 PM (0EOe9)

130 Sam Harris got in hot water for saying that all the lies aimed at Trump were perfectly acceptable in order to get rid of him. He'd be okay with hiding a bunch of dead babies in Bidens basement if it got rid of Trump.

The right who followed Sam Harris dropped him because he showed the intellectual vacuousness of his so called philosophy. And the Left went soft on him because he said the quiet part out loud.

Posted by: blaster at November 18, 2023 12:33 PM (dWjpk)

131 New Atheists have no problem reaping the benefits of a Judeo-Christian civilization, including the right to bite the hand that feeds you.

Posted by: Drive by at November 18, 2023 12:34 PM (MNhXM)

132 Sharia Law is mentioned four times. One justification for 9/11 is that the US is not governed by Sharia. These useful idiots have NO IDEA what they are asking for. Especially the women.

"(i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire"

Posted by: JM in /Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at November 18, 2023 12:35 PM (5zjm+)

133 Oh, I have a burn barrel, and use it frequently. This is a permit for an open burn, brush and tree limbs, stuff to big for the barrel. And some real old car seats, cotton and horsehair and mouse turds. Best way to get rid of them.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2023 12:24 PM (yLuBw)

Whenever I hear about burn barrels and burn pits I think of Steve Avery and his 70 IQ nephew, in prison for life, for a murder they probably didn't commit.

Convicted in spite of almost no evidence against them, because feds were able to talk the nephew into confessing in a way that doesn't match the evidence.

Did cops plan the keys? The blood in the vehicle? It's damn near certain they did.

Now, maybe they did kill her, but they never should have been convicted. Poor girl. Whoever did kill her should burn in hell, but then so should the cops, if they framed those two.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 12:35 PM (QBaJw)

134 Al Si-Si said he would lose a million men if it ensured the Palis not migrate into Egypt.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 18, 2023 12:36 PM (mVqUt)

135 Few good chuckles at WiP

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2023 12:36 PM (fwDg9)

136 Sam Harris got in hot water for saying that all the lies aimed at Trump were perfectly acceptable in order to get rid of him. He'd be okay with hiding a bunch of dead babies in Bidens basement if it got rid of Trump.

The right who followed Sam Harris dropped him because he showed the intellectual vacuousness of his so called philosophy. And the Left went soft on him because he said the quiet part out loud.
Posted by: blaster at November 18, 2023 12:33 PM (dWjpk)

That’s the core tenant of the New Atheist religion.

The Ends Always Justify The Means

Posted by: Drive by at November 18, 2023 12:36 PM (MNhXM)

137 The right who followed Sam Harris dropped him because he showed the intellectual vacuousness of his so called philosophy. And the Left went soft on him because he said the quiet part out loud.

Posted by: blaster at November 18, 2023 12:33 PM (dWjpk)

Harris has always struck me as glib, but ultimately not able to articulate his case very well.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2023 12:36 PM (3Gtis)

138 So, some lefty whackado Colorado judge decides that Trump committed Insurrection, dammit! But then reluctantly and in all sadness allows him to stay on the state ballot. Why, you may ask, when he just said he was guilty (guilty!) of killing off our precious democracy? Well, this demented buffoon doesn't explicitly explain why - but we can all pretty much guess. Its because his bosses at the appellant court would roast this knucklehead alive FOR BEING AN IDIOT - so, best to say 'Yeah, hate Trump, blah blah blah, he's treasonous (*shamelessly mugs and preens for press*)' but what can be done?

Posted by: Boswell at November 18, 2023 12:36 PM (K+UlC)

139 I haven't heard much about Egypt's reaction to what's happening in Gaza. It seems like it would be keen not to be inundated with fleeing Palis.

Nobody like the Palis (except the Harvard faculty)


Same message, plummier accent.
https://tinyurl.com/3psddzp9

Posted by: Archimedes at November 18, 2023 12:37 PM (I/Qkd)

140 122 Yes and no. Agreed that most at the moment don't seem to care but she sees the Western insistence on negotiation, discussions, aid, etc as pointless because the absolute believer in Islam simply sees them as useful delaying tactics.

Posted by: Lirio100 at November 18, 2023 12:37 PM (oQNjO)

141 Southern Gaza might be much more difficult than Northern Gaza. And Hezbollah in the north is a huge threat if Iran pushes them to attack.

I'd bet that Hezbollah won't do much other than shoot off their mouths and a few rockets. Iran doesn't want to lose BOTH it's proxies in one fell swoop.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 18, 2023 12:38 PM (I/Qkd)

142 Reacting to the bust like a vampire reacts to a crucifix...well, maybe that's too nasty. Sorry.
Posted by: Ju at November 18, 2023 12:32 PM (aTmM/)

Nah, we'll allow it.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 12:39 PM (QBaJw)

143 121 Emmie - I too really felt at home in the Evangelical Free Church. The first one I attended still had a Swedish Bible in the narthex.
Posted by: grammie winger - I don't belong here at November 18, 2023 12:29 PM (45fpk)


Cool! Is it a Swedish denomination or just in a Swedish part of the country?

I don't really know much about the denomination. I've just attended a couple of E Free churches and liked what I saw.

Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2023 12:40 PM (Sf2cq)

144 Perhaps what a lot of Israelis don't understand is how many people in western nations don't give a damn, as long as the muzzie terrorists are going after them and not us.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 12:29 PM (QBaJw)


Oh I think they understand very well.
As one former IDF soldier told me just last week, the only Jews in Israel are the tourists. I thought that rather harsh but I can see his perspective. Jews are not fighting Hamas. Israel is. And they understand the geo-politics of the region, probably far better than the idiots in DC. That israelmis.predominantly Jewish is a side note, but this gets lost elsewhere.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 18, 2023 12:41 PM (uSHSS)

145 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 12:22 PM (RSbhh)

At least we've stamped out the redundancy heterodoxy.

Posted by: The Leadership of many denominations in many denominations at November 18, 2023 12:41 PM (JgU20)

146 I'd bet that Hezbollah won't do much other than shoot off their mouths and a few rockets. Iran doesn't want to lose BOTH it's proxies in one fell swoop.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 18, 2023 12:38 PM (I/Qkd)

I think you are correct, but I think it is unwise to ascribe logic to the decisions of the Mullahs.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2023 12:43 PM (3Gtis)

147 Southern Gaza might be much more difficult than Northern Gaza. And Hezbollah in the north is a huge threat if Iran pushes them to attack.

The outcome of the war is not in question, but the war is most definitely not over.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2023 12:29 PM (3Gtis)

I understand the caution, it's warranted - but I believe Israel has determined that the bulk of Hamas power was located in the north. I did see that stepped up air attacks on Khan Younis strongpoints in the south began a day or two ago.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 12:43 PM (q3gwH)

148 Cool! Is it a Swedish denomination or just in a Swedish part of the country?

I don't really know much about the denomination. I've just attended a couple of E Free churches and liked what I saw.

Posted by: Emmie at November 18, 2023 12:40 PM (Sf2cq)


The Free Church has its origins in Sweden. It was called the Free church as opposed to the State church, which is Lutheran in Sweden. It spread initially in areas of the US with a large Scandinavian presence. They even let in Norwegians. Good Bible-based denomination. Rev graduated from their seminary.

Posted by: grammie winger - I don't belong here at November 18, 2023 12:44 PM (45fpk)

149 Oh I think they understand very well.
As one former IDF soldier told me just last week, the only Jews in Israel are the tourists. I thought that rather harsh but I can see his perspective. Jews are not fighting Hamas. Israel is. And they understand the geo-politics of the region, probably far better than the idiots in DC. That israelmis.predominantly Jewish is a side note, but this gets lost elsewhere.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 18, 2023 12:41 PM (uSHSS)

What I'm not sure about is whether the average Israeli understands how quickly western nations, including our own, will drop them as soon as it's expedient to do so.

That what keeps American foreign policy on their side, is not a love for their people, or their principles, but the need to triangulate.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 12:44 PM (QBaJw)

150 1) Send Your Monster Kids To Kollege

2) Move While They Are Away And Leave No Forwarding Address

3) Live A Happy Life

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2023 12:45 PM (R/m4+)

151 As one former IDF soldier told me just last week, the only Jews in Israel are the tourists.

I don't understand this. Please elaborate.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 18, 2023 12:45 PM (I/Qkd)

152 Posted by: The Leadership of many denominations in many denominations at November 18, 2023 12:41 PM (JgU20)

Sorry about that great sin.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2023 12:45 PM (RSbhh)

153 From my reading, Hitler actually liked Britain and it’s connection to Germany and an ‘Aryan’ heritage. He had hoped Britain would remain neutral or stay out of the war as he set to conquer mainland Europe.

That they didn’t ,mainly because of Churchill in his mind, he did a 180.

Posted by: Drive by at November 18, 2023 12:45 PM (MNhXM)

154 So much here, Thanks, KT.
1) Ayaan Hirsi Ali: After decades of being a non-church going cultural Christian, I made the decision to start living my life as a Christian about 7 years ago, hoping the faith would follow. I’m a little skeptical about Ali’s political motivations, but my decision was a little bit political too, as I sought to inoculate me and my family from the religiosity of the left. Making God and prayer part of my life is so rewarding.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at November 18, 2023 12:46 PM (d9Cw3)

155 It spread initially in areas of the US with a large Scandinavian presence. They even let in Norwegians.

Are they mad?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 18, 2023 12:46 PM (I/Qkd)

156 The Free Church has its origins in Sweden. It was called the Free church as opposed to the State church, which is Lutheran in Sweden. It spread initially in areas of the US with a large Scandinavian presence. They even let in Norwegians. Good Bible-based denomination. Rev graduated from their seminary.
Posted by: grammie winger - I don't belong here at November 18, 2023 12:44 PM (45fpk)

My former home in Calgary was near a Chinese Presbyterian Free Church. Friend of mine would always say, "Well, you know they wouldn't go if they had to pay."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2023 12:46 PM (yLuBw)

157 As to the Ali 'conversion'...
I'm not sure she understands there really is a god involved, and that's a core part of this. It seems more of a philosophical "Christianity" she has adopted. But I'm very willing (and happy) to be proven wrong.

Posted by: GWB at November 18, 2023 12:49 PM (JgU20)

158 Afternoon all, great post K.T Hitchens takedown was beautiful. He could be contrarian and argumentative for the sake of argument , but he was smart boy. Id ask any Western leftist to tell me a boundary in the world where Islam meets another religion where there isn't conflict. Areas as insignificant as East Timor, Nagorno Karabakh, Darfur or Northern Myanmar are experiencing Islamic rage but these dolts are focused on Israel and "Islamaphobia".

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 18, 2023 12:49 PM (Rt/Sf)

159 My former home in Calgary was near a Chinese Presbyterian Free Church. Friend of mine would always say, "Well, you know they wouldn't go if they had to pay."
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2023 12:46 PM (yLuBw)

Did they have General Tao Jello Mold?

Posted by: Drive by at November 18, 2023 12:49 PM (MNhXM)

160 2) Atheists: The “atheists” I know are incredibly religious. They have sacraments, fororbidden foods, they rail against various enviro-sins, and they believe bad weather is due to sinful human activity. Atheists also seem to be very tolerant of all religions except Christianity. I’ve come to realize that those who identify as agnostic are quite likely atheist, but they don’t choose to use that toxic label. “Atheist” simply means anti-Christian.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at November 18, 2023 12:50 PM (d9Cw3)

161 3) Love the music. A dobro, fiddle, and an upright bass!

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at November 18, 2023 12:51 PM (d9Cw3)

162 Hezbollah has to be suddenly worried about Iran's public statement that they've decided to sit this one out. After watching the Israelis in action, they know they can't engage in an all out war on their own - and if they were going to do it for religious/jihadi reasons, why haven't they already? Why didn't they go when Hamas did? That was the point at which they could have made maximum impact.

Napoleon as well as all other great commanders noted that Timing was one of the most important elements in every battle, and Hezbollah is in a hopeless position because they blew the timing completely.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 12:51 PM (q3gwH)

163 Southern Gaza might be much more difficult than Northern Gaza. And Hezbollah in the north is a huge threat if Iran pushes them to attack.


The IDF plan all along has been to split Gaza and eliminate Hamas in the north. They understand that much of the Hamas leadership will slink away to the south. But before addressing the south, they need to consolidate the north so there isn't a surprise in their rear area when they move to the next phase, which is southern Gaza.
The southern fight will be different in that now there are now a million and a half civilians in the way of finishing off the remaining Hamas fighting force. This could easily be the most brutal fighting of the war. A lot will depend on the Palis themselves. How much longer will they let Hamas use them as shields? I hope/suspect that Israel has contact with what may become the new Palestinian leadership who will work to isolate Hamas.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 18, 2023 12:52 PM (uSHSS)

164 My former home in Calgary was near a Chinese Presbyterian Free Church. Friend of mine would always say, "Well, you know they wouldn't go if they had to pay."
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2023 12:46 PM (yLuBw)

Did they have General Tao Jello Mold?
Posted by: Drive by

You'd better watch it! I know Kung Pao!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 18, 2023 12:53 PM (FVME7)

165 What differentiates the Colorado judge and the NYC fraud case judge (who is quite obviously and sadly mentally ill) and the embarrassing J6 Judge Chutkan, is that the Colorado judge, being diluvian in nature, turns away from certain pain - ie about to be with near certainty professionally embarrassed on a national stage by his bosses.

Not so the NYC judge and Chutkan - they essentially have no careers having already reached the Peter Principal of Jurists. Thus, the constant parade of insane, non-legal, and professionally deficient rulings they have meted out to garner press tongue baths. They simply don't care how this ends for them - they both need their close up, Mr. DeMille!

Posted by: Boswell at November 18, 2023 12:54 PM (K+UlC)

166 I likened Palestinians to Zombies, to have them around is inviting death and destruction

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2023 12:54 PM (fwDg9)

167 To be an atheist is to believe that there is no God above you, therefore you believe yourself to be as God.
Which is aka original sin.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 18, 2023 12:54 PM (MeG8a)

168 ..."Resolution" desk...

Posted by: Ju at November 18, 2023 12:58 PM (aTmM/)

169 Love the music. A dobro, fiddle, and an upright bass!
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton

Size matters.

https://tinyurl.com/28rdatav

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 18, 2023 12:59 PM (FVME7)

170 123 Servo & CBD

Not only is the war not over, I'm increasingly uneasy about it. Just speaking for myself, obviously.

No lines of surrendering terrorists with their hands up. No terrorist HQ under Al Shifa hospital, or at least the IDF hasn't shown it. Hostages apparently not located, because IDF would've attempted rescue if their location was known.

My unease results from contemplating that Hamas may just fade away into the civilian population, & lie low. They can lie low for as long as it takes until Israel stops the active stage of the war, & begins the occupation stage. Then Hamas can begin urban guerrilla warfare.

I always see the glass as half empty. Hope the outcome for Israel is much better than that.

Posted by: K.C. Wolf (mnw) at November 18, 2023 12:59 PM (NLIak)

171 As one former IDF soldier told me just last week, the only Jews in Israel are the tourists.

I don't understand this. Please elaborate.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 18, 2023 12:45 PM (I/Qkd)
***

His point is this is a war between Hamas and the nation of Israel, and not a bunch of Jews who live in a place called Israel. Israel is fighting as a nation state. The state just happens to have a population that is predominantly Jewish. He also stresses that many of the Jews around the world, and especially those in the US, see this as a Jewish war, not an Israeli war. They do not grasp the geo-political aspect of the war. It's not as nuanced as it sounds. If Israel were filled with Baptists, Hamas would still be there.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 18, 2023 01:02 PM (uSHSS)

172 Not so the NYC judge and Chutkan - they essentially have no careers having already reached the Peter Principal of Jurists. Thus, the constant parade of insane, non-legal, and professionally deficient rulings they have meted out to garner press tongue baths. They simply don't care how this ends for them - they both need their close up, Mr. DeMille!
Posted by: Boswell at November 18, 2023 12:54 PM (K+UlC)

Agree. Tragically their cosplaying as judges has to potential to cause major chaos next year. If they try to jail Trump (you know they will) the various potential outcomes are unpleasant… some of them very much so. They’re playing with fire. FAFO….

My frustration is there’s nothing I can do whatsoever other than be annoyed to the nth degree if they decide to go full on tyranny

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 18, 2023 01:02 PM (vezcz)

173 “Atheist” simply means anti-Christian.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at November 18, 2023 12:50 PM (d9Cw3)

Well, anti-religion. Or anti-parent.

I think it's generally useful for anyone to ask the question, why do I believe what I do. But ultimately for the rest of us, it really doesn't much matter why you believe, and just take you at your word that you believe it.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 01:05 PM (QBaJw)

174 Podcast reminded me when get my tablet back ( on phone now) to look back to Buck's Monkey Thread about global warming. Was on phone then and couldn't really read charts.

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2023 01:06 PM (fwDg9)

175 My unease results from contemplating that Hamas may just fade away into the civilian population, & lie low. They can lie low for as long as it takes until Israel stops the active stage of the war, & begins the occupation stage. Then Hamas can begin urban guerrilla warfare.

I always see the glass as half empty. Hope the outcome for Israel is much better than that.

Posted by: K.C. Wolf (mnw) at November 18, 2023 12:59 PM (NLIak)

(Jump to top of page)

I understand your fear, it's natural. I note that bunker busters were reportedly dropped extensively across Gaza last night - we will never know how many died in the tunnels, but it's clear they weren't empty. As far as fading into the population; well that was the Nazi problem in Germany after ww2. an extended de-nazification program is required, and also - bullies once deprived of their power lose the ability to intimidate the population into blind obedience.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 01:06 PM (q3gwH)

176 My unease results from contemplating that Hamas may just fade away into the civilian population, & lie low. They can lie low for as long as it takes until Israel stops the active stage of the war, & begins the occupation stage. Then Hamas can begin urban guerrilla warfare.

I always see the glass as half empty. Hope the outcome for Israel is much better than that.

Posted by: K.C. Wolf (mnw) at November 18, 2023 12:59 PM (NLIak)

Palestine needs to be utterly destroyed as a polity. That does not mean genociding them, although I would find it hard to give a fuck if that happened. Just disperse them throughout the muslim-majority countries in dribs and drabs as "random Arabs". Scatter them within those countries, a few to each village. If they behave themselves, they can prosper; if not, the host countries can dispose of them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 18, 2023 01:07 PM (yLuBw)

177 I'm supremely confident Trump will be on the ballot in every state because SCOTUS has a GOP majority. Simple as that, in the final analysis. Real politic.

Posted by: K.C. Wolf (mnw) at November 18, 2023 01:07 PM (NLIak)

178 11 Any time there is talk of inclusion it really means exclusion.
---

Not unlike Putin appropriating lands of other countries emulating Peter the Great. - He was at war with Sweden, he took something from them, he said, according to a translation from Reuters.
"He did not take anything from them, he returned [them]."

In turn, the wokesters are not taking our freedoms they are returning us to the rightful path.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2023 01:09 PM (pa7TJ)

179 “Atheist” simply means anti-Christian.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at November 18, 2023 12:50 PM (d9Cw3)

Well, anti-religion. Or anti-parent.

I think it's generally useful for anyone to ask the question, why do I believe what I do. But ultimately for the rest of us, it really doesn't much matter why you believe, and just take you at your word that you believe it.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 01:05 PM (QBaJw)

Sorry, meant to further clarify, I think the focus on being "anti-Christian" is more about what's in front of them, and has less to do with being "tolerant" of other religions.

I suspect many Jews who declare themselves atheist will focus more on Judaism, and Muslims who become atheist will focus on Islam.

Or, when dealing with typical leftists, their "tolerance" very likely has less to do with the religions of others, and more to do with the rather paternalistic view on Of Color people around the world. They can hold two opposed views, "Muslims are a-ok in my book," and "Trannies/gays are great," in part because of the lack of intellectual depth, and in part because the Of Color thing trumps the rest.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 01:11 PM (QBaJw)

180 There are over 2 million Arabs in Gaza, & they're NEVER going to be "dispersed through [other] Muslim countries."

When the fighting stops, they're going to be right there in Gaza. The Israelis know & acknowledge this.

Posted by: K.C. Wolf (mnw) at November 18, 2023 01:12 PM (NLIak)

181 My frustration is there’s nothing I can do whatsoever other than be annoyed to the nth degree if they decide to go full on tyranny
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 18, 2023 01:02 PM (vezcz)

Yes - I agree that if they could somehow get a perp walk for Trump into a local correctional facility - it would make all the non-legal lunacy they've brought to these proceedings worthwhile. Do they dare? The NYC judge has a civil trial and cannot get there - even if his mental state makes him search endlessly for some outrageous method to make that happen. Judge Chutkan realizes that the press wants her desperately to make this happen and, being completely unsuited for the bench, knows that this is all she has - so I think she goes for it - and loses. But doesn't care because of all the love she craves and will garner from WAPO, NY Times, MNBC, CNN, etc.

Posted by: Boswell at November 18, 2023 01:13 PM (K+UlC)

182 When the fighting stops, they're going to be right there in Gaza. The Israelis know & acknowledge this.
Posted by: K.C. Wolf (mnw) at November 18, 2023 01:12 PM (NLIak)

I've noticed a lot of people seem to want to focus on the fact other Muslim nations don't like the Palis, but I think it's probably more that the value the Palis remaining there, as opposed to releasing the tension.

It's better for them if the focus of turmoil remains more closely tied to the Palis than it does to the rest of the Middle East.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 01:16 PM (QBaJw)

183 >>> Scatter them within those countries, a few to each village. If they behave themselves, they can prosper; if not, the host countries can dispose of them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Take their babies from them that they may be adopted by 'civilized' Arab families.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2023 01:16 PM (pa7TJ)

184 KT bringing the content once again. That's a great statement made by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She's carving out a hard space for her faith to flourish as her husband, historian Niall Ferguson, is a lesser light in the New Atheist movement. She's always demonstrated incredible courage and I pray God gives her special guidance to continue on this voyage. Interestingly, one of the other Cassandras warning of the rise of Islam was another courageous, atheist woman- Oriana Fallaci. She interviewed Khomeini and read him the riot act in regard to his treatment of women. Removed the chador she was instructed was to wear in his presence. After 9/11 she wrote three books on Islam and the West- "The Rage and the Pride", "The Force of Reason" and "The Apocalypse" Would recommend.

Posted by: Leon Sphinx at November 18, 2023 01:18 PM (UIngH)

185 Not unlike Putin appropriating lands of other countries emulating Peter the Great. - He was at war with Sweden, he took something from them, he said, according to a translation from Reuters.
"He did not take anything from them, he returned [them]."

In turn, the wokesters are not taking our freedoms they are returning us to the rightful path.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2023 01:09 PM (pa7TJ)

Well, except the difference is, Putin's mostly right.

He wants traditional Russian lands back in Russian hands. And those who claim he's trying to reconstitute the Soviet Union (or be a modern day Pete the Great) have no real evidence to back it up.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 01:19 PM (QBaJw)

186 Send the Palis to Red China.

The great and glorious worker's paradise awaits with jobs, housing and recreational activities.

They may even have a chance to visit North Korea while they are there.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 18, 2023 01:19 PM (R/m4+)

187 The religious jokes are interesting. For some reason I do not expect bloodshed.

Posted by: DOYLE at November 18, 2023 01:19 PM (Z8Yh2)

188 I play on Facebook and Instagram and the Hamas supporters are legion.
Seeing posters from from overseas doesn't surprise me, but about half of all are from the U.S.

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at November 18, 2023 01:20 PM (AEvvx)

189 --He wants traditional Russian lands back in Russian hands. And those who claim he's trying to reconstitute the Soviet Union (or be a modern day Pete the Great) have no real evidence to back it up.

Posted by: BurtTC
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The argument there being; What does Putin think are traditional Russian lands.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2023 01:22 PM (pa7TJ)

190 Chutkan was brought here by Obama. She is the daughter of a communist leader in Jamaica named Hill. He and his brother were jailed for starting an insurrection against the legitimate Jamaican government.

You can't make this shit up.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 18, 2023 01:22 PM (R4t5M)

191 Any time there is talk of inclusion it really means exclusion.

-
Kinda like Jeremiah 6:14.

They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at November 18, 2023 01:23 PM (FVME7)

192 I've noticed a lot of people seem to want to focus on the fact other Muslim nations don't like the Palis, but I think it's probably more that the value the Palis remaining there, as opposed to releasing the tension."

the PLO tried to overthrow the Monarchy in Jordan, that's whey they don't want them back. Islamic Jihad, of which Hamas is an offshoot, tried to take over the Egyptian government, which is why they got tossed out of Egypt. A large contingent of Palestinian laborers sided with Hussein when he invaded, that's why they all got kicked out of Kuwait forever.

there's kind of a constant theme going on there, and it makes their refusal to take them very understandable. The hard truth is that Gaza (even more so than the West Bank) has been the human garbage dump for the arab world for the last 75 years. It's amused them to watch Israel have to deal with it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 01:26 PM (q3gwH)

193 The tricky part is the definition of "traditional Russian lands."

Posted by: Lirio100 at November 18, 2023 01:26 PM (oQNjO)

194 Just wanted to say that the ad campaign: Jesus, he gets us (I’m triggered because I just saw it during a football game ad break)... Is empty and devoid of any genuine Christian theology or sentiment. That kind of vacuous nonsense doesn’t reflect well on genuine believers… sigh

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 18, 2023 01:27 PM (vezcz)

195 Egypt & Jordan don't just "dislike" the Palestinian Arabs, they're scared sk*tless of them.

Egypt is run by a fragile, unpopular dictatorial regime, and that regime already has its hands full with the Muslim Brotherhood. Neither Egypt nor Jordan is going to permit all that political dynamite to enter.

How 'bout the Saudis, then? (chokes; spews coffee).

And btw, the last thing the U.S. & the EU want is to see Egypt & Jordan fall to radical Islam.

If the Arab Gazans are going ANYWHERE, it won't be to "neighboring Muslim countries," it will be to Newark, Dresden and Avignon.

Posted by: K.C. Wolf (mnw) at November 18, 2023 01:28 PM (NLIak)

196 184 Not only did Oriana take off the chandor in front of Kohmeini, she threw it on the floor and called it a Medieval rag.

The terrified Ayatollah giggled like a bitch.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at November 18, 2023 01:29 PM (nnp+f)

197 I play on Facebook and Instagram and the Hamas supporters are legion.
Seeing posters from from overseas doesn't surprise me, but about half of all are from the U.S.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at November 18, 2023 01:20 PM (AEvvx)

A good indicator of what schools are pushing into their heads.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 01:31 PM (QBaJw)

198 As far as I know, each state has its own voting laws, there in is the tale

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2023 01:31 PM (fwDg9)

199 GARDEN THREAD IS BLOOMING

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2023 01:31 PM (fwDg9)

200 " her statement it seemed more like picking the best spiritual philosophy she could find as opposed to becoming ‘born again’ . I hope she makes that final step in her journey"

"Ayaan Hirsi Ali:... born a Muslim in Somalia. Then I became an atheist. But secular tools alone can't equip us for civilizational war."

yeah, no real mention of redemption or a savior, mostly just a social concept. "New birth" to me is a real birth, holy spirit created within the body soul man to make him complete.

There is "that confess with mouth the lord Jesus, believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead" requirement, and that is an individual's deep decision.

imo God is able to do a deep dive into the person's inner heart. It is not a momentary emotional moment down to the altar, though I suppose that is possibly a climactic moment of final decision, idk.

But her decision seems more "utilitarian".

Posted by: illiniwek at November 18, 2023 01:32 PM (Cus5s)

201 He wants traditional Russian lands back in Russian hands. And those who claim he's trying to reconstitute the Soviet Union (or be a modern day Pete the Great) have no real evidence to back it up.

Posted by: BurtTC
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The argument there being; What does Putin think are traditional Russian lands.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2023 01:22 PM (pa7TJ)

Well, not Poland and not Scandie lands. Nor the Balkans.

I'd say he's mostly right, especially this current kerfuffle in Ukraine.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 01:33 PM (QBaJw)

202 Just wanted to say that the ad campaign: Jesus, he gets us (I’m triggered because I just saw it during a football game ad break)... Is empty and devoid of any genuine Christian theology or sentiment. That kind of vacuous nonsense doesn’t reflect well on genuine believers… sigh

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 18, 2023 01:27 PM (vezcz)


I think Hobby Lobby sponsors those, along with some others. I can't remember the others. I don't mind them. They put the name of Jesus out in the marketplace. I don't think we are their target audience.

Posted by: grammie winger - I don't belong here at November 18, 2023 01:33 PM (45fpk)

203 As a non-spiritual, non-religious, basically oldschool agnostic person who doesn't otherwise have a dog in the fight I've always found these New Atheist types extremely irritating because they essentially turned not being religious into the orthodox un-religion and then aggressively pushed it on everyone else in the name of The Science. To paraphrase the late, great Freeman Dyson, this had the effect of making the rest of us look like assholes too.

That being said, it should be noted that couple of these guys are the only ones who ever called out The Religion Of Peace(tm) in any meaningful way. That might just be a factor in their influence.

Posted by: CppThis at November 18, 2023 01:34 PM (PZvjL)

204 the PLO tried to overthrow the Monarchy in Jordan, that's whey they don't want them back. Islamic Jihad, of which Hamas is an offshoot, tried to take over the Egyptian government, which is why they got tossed out of Egypt. A large contingent of Palestinian laborers sided with Hussein when he invaded, that's why they all got kicked out of Kuwait forever.

there's kind of a constant theme going on there, and it makes their refusal to take them very understandable. The hard truth is that Gaza (even more so than the West Bank) has been the human garbage dump for the arab world for the last 75 years. It's amused them to watch Israel have to deal with it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 01:26 PM (q3gwH)

Yes, there's certainly much... eh, diversity when it comes to opinions on the Palis in the Middle East. No one specific outlook. I'm sure the places closest to the Palis view them quite differently than the places that have some buffers.

Like Iran.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 01:35 PM (QBaJw)

205
196 184 Not only did Oriana take off the chandor in front of Kohmeini, she threw it on the floor and called it a Medieval rag.

The terrified Ayatollah giggled like a bitch.

I hope the clanging of her metaphorical balls haunted him the rest of his life

Posted by: Leon Sphinx at November 18, 2023 01:39 PM (UIngH)

206 CNN headline in the browser:

Trump visits Iowa hours after judge ruled to remove him from Colorado ...

CNN headline when you click the article:

Trump returns to Iowa as caucuses draw closer

By Alayna Treene, CNN


The first headline is an outright lie.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 18, 2023 01:41 PM (+cIkI)

207 I think Hobby Lobby sponsors those, along with some others. I can't remember the others. I don't mind them. They put the name of Jesus out in the marketplace. I don't think we are their target audience.
Posted by: grammie winger - I don't belong here at November 18, 2023 01:33 PM (45fpk)

You may be right, Grammie. But I remember John MacArthur warning that the devil is the master of false religion and the hardest to detect are the near-thing counterfeits….. use the name of Jesus but no talk of sin and need for a savior is dangerous

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 18, 2023 01:42 PM (vezcz)

208 If I were to advise Trump - not that that would ever happen - but he should have the Colorado judge's outrageous statements of guilt (done just for the press and have no legal baring whatsoever on the final ruling) stricken - it was dumb to make them in the first place and you can't actually suggest that a defendant is guilty of the crime before your bench but you're hands are tied as to letting them off - the bench rules require you determine that the defendant is either innocent of the violations of law as presented, or innocent and proceed to a civil or criminal sentencing - that didn't happen - so the bench is incriminating someone who claims innocence without actually legally incriminating them in court, and that is not allowed from the bench, regardless of the judge's feelz.

Posted by: Boswell at November 18, 2023 01:44 PM (K+UlC)

209 I read Infidelwhen it was published and highly highly recommend. It is a very good document and captivating to read. She is a remarkable woman.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 18, 2023 01:47 PM (4TiSW)

210 If I were to advise Trump - not that that would ever happen - but he should have the Colorado judge's outrageous statements of guilt (done just for the press and have no legal baring whatsoever on the final ruling) stricken - it was dumb to make them in the first place and you can't actually suggest that a defendant is guilty of the crime before your bench but you're hands are tied as to letting them off - the bench rules require you determine that the defendant is either innocent of the violations of law as presented, or innocent and proceed to a civil or criminal sentencing - that didn't happen - so the bench is incriminating someone who claims innocence without actually legally incriminating them in court, and that is not allowed from the bench, regardless of the judge's feelz.
Posted by: Boswell

Very true. At the end of the day, they don't give a shit.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 18, 2023 01:48 PM (R4t5M)

211 They make up rules as they go along to fit there need.
Post Constitution Amerika

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2023 01:57 PM (fwDg9)

212 Culture: Yikes —
Barefoot workers, bacteria found at factory that made big-brand eye drops _ARS Technica

Workers not wearing gowns or gloves is much less sanitary but to the techies barefoot is an abomination.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2023 01:57 PM (pa7TJ)

213 On Friday’s “PBS NewsHour,” New York Times columnist David Brooks stated that the progressive wing of the Democratic Party has taken a “from the river to the sea” position on Israel that completely abandons a two-state solution in favor of a vague one-state solution.

Posted by: Last Days of the Republic at November 18, 2023 02:17 PM (ko8ct)

214 52-10 Bama over the cupcake Chattanooga Mocs in the 3rd.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 18, 2023 02:17 PM (aD39U)

215 QB2 Ty Simpson scrambles for a 79 yard TD, but dropped the ball on the 6 inch line. Luckily for him, no immediate recovery so Bama kept the ball on the 1 1/2 yard line and a freshman RB got the TD. No way Saban was going to let Simpson score the TD after that dumb move.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 18, 2023 02:41 PM (aD39U)

216 213 not surprised coming from the Marxists

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2023 02:42 PM (fwDg9)

217 the PLO tried to overthrow the Monarchy in Jordan, that's whey they don't want them back. Islamic Jihad, of which Hamas is an offshoot, tried to take over the Egyptian government, which is why they got tossed out of Egypt. A large contingent of Palestinian laborers sided with Hussein when he invaded, that's why they all got kicked out of Kuwait forever. ...
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 01:26 PM (q3gwH)
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*Lebanon has entered the chat.*

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 18, 2023 02:46 PM (4TiSW)

218 The Mocs have played clean and hard the whole game. No major injuries. Take your million bucks and go home with heads high, boys.

66-10 Bama over Chattanooga.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 18, 2023 03:08 PM (aD39U)

219 "I'll just give you an example to show how utterly fatuous your implication is."

Hitchens
He was a treasure.

Posted by: m at November 18, 2023 03:14 PM (aWeTk)

220 Sam Harris is probably not the worst, but I find him the most insufferable of the bunch, because he fancies himself the smartest. He's in a way, an anti-Ben Shapiro. Scoring wins against stupid people, and being respected by people who agree with him, because he helps their cause.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 11:23 AM (QBaJw)

Sam Harris got in trouble for seriously saying this:

“Hunter Biden literally could have had the corpses of children in his basement, I would not have cared,” he said. “There’s nothing, it’s Hunter Biden, it’s not Joe Biden. Whatever the scope of Joe Biden’s corruption is…it is infinitesimal compared to the corruption we know Trump is involved in. It’s like a firefly to the sun.”

“Now that doesn’t answer the people who say ‘it’s still completely unfair to not have looked at the laptop in a timely way and to have shut down the New York Post’s Twitter account. Like that, that’s a left-wing conspiracy to deny the presidency to Donald Trump.’ Absolutely it was. But I think it was warranted.”

Somehow even his friends seem to think this impacts is credibilty as a free speech absolutist.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 18, 2023 03:18 PM (eoQWY)

221 FURRY FRIENDS NOOD

Posted by: Skip at November 18, 2023 03:22 PM (fwDg9)

222 Hamas is back with another "deal". 87 hostages for 5 day ceasefire, fuel and the terrorists released.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 18, 2023 03:28 PM (5ZjgE)

223 and then there's the other war, in Ukraine, and the only noteworthy thing there is the despair it's backers are feeling at realizing that everyone has suddenly gotten sick to death of even hearing about it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2023 11:56 AM (q3gwH)

Russia has found the cure for the media war. Just fight, not with anything sexy, no huge offensives that will reach the sea in 5 days that don't happen. They just pull up to a town, take the elevations around the area, and blast the defenders. Then send in infantry to check if anyone is left and repeat. They take a block here, a field there, and they are inflicting 8 casualties for every one they suffer. No "big arrows" for pundits to discuss.

I saw a clip of a pregnant woman in Ukrainan Uniform being taken prisoner, and heard of a clip of some women being found armed in a trench, killed by artillery. Might be propaganda, but Ukraine has claimed they would call up everyone.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 18, 2023 03:29 PM (eoQWY)

224 Yes, there's certainly much... eh, diversity when it comes to opinions on the Palis in the Middle East. No one specific outlook. I'm sure the places closest to the Palis view them quite differently than the places that have some buffers.

Like Iran.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 01:35 PM (QBaJw)

I doubt Iran feels any different than the Pali's neighbors. They don't invite them in, they pay them to be a nuisance far away from their borders.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 18, 2023 03:33 PM (eoQWY)

225 The argument there being; What does Putin think are traditional Russian lands.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2023 01:22 PM (pa7TJ)

Well, not Poland and not Scandie lands. Nor the Balkans.

I'd say he's mostly right, especially this current kerfuffle in Ukraine.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 18, 2023 01:33 PM (QBaJw)

Putin has already said that if West Ukraine was given up by Ukraine to Poland he wouldn't care. But he cautioned Poland that changing borders isn't something to be casual about, as Poland's own borders were moved in 1945 to swallow a lot of German land and they might come looking for it.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 18, 2023 03:35 PM (eoQWY)

226 Musk that rightwing champion of free speech is getting hammered badly by his advertisers for not stopping NAZI propaganda on X.
Parents should be more concerned about political indoctrination on X or TikTok than they do from sexual indoctrination from prn sites.
The pro Vietnam war movies in the 80s (like Rambo) gave a generation a warped view of the history of that war.

Posted by: banned Paul at November 18, 2023 03:35 PM (hgDJr)

227 Not unlike Putin appropriating lands of other countries emulating Peter the Great. - He was at war with Sweden, he took something from them, he said, according to a translation from Reuters.
"He did not take anything from them, he returned [them]."

In turn, the wokesters are not taking our freedoms they are returning us to the rightful path.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2023 01:09 PM (pa7TJ)

Peter might have been a little pissed that the Swedes invaded Ukraine, where their army was wiped out by the Russians at Poltava. The Swedish King Charles XII fled to the Ottomans, where he spent the next few years trying to get back home while the other half dozen nations he was fighting dismembered his empire.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 18, 2023 03:39 PM (eoQWY)

228 Thanks to climate change, autumn will never be the same

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vUPMP6M8ow

Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2023 03:48 PM (pa7TJ)

229 >>> Hezbollah has to be suddenly worried about Iran's public statement that they've decided to sit this one out.

That rabid dog Hamas is not mine.
- Iran, so far away.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 18, 2023 03:56 PM (cOq4q)

230 Posted by: banned Paul at November 18, 2023 03:35 PM (hgDJr)


Shut up, Dunce.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 18, 2023 03:59 PM (aD39U)

231 That being said, it should be noted that couple of these guys are the only ones who ever called out The Religion Of Peace(tm) in any meaningful way.

Benedict XVI calling from Regensburg on line 2...

Posted by: Im29too at November 18, 2023 04:48 PM (rzdMV)

232
Sounds like Hamas is ready to deal for 100% of the hostages. Maybe another kick in the ball sack and they'll give them up without a single condition. Ya gotta know how to negotiate - which is when the other side has their sacks exposed to a swift kick. Go IDF.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 18, 2023 04:51 PM (enJYY)

233 How many of the 100% of the hostages are dead bodies?

Posted by: Ben Had at November 18, 2023 05:07 PM (5ZjgE)

234 Summers: Rising Deficit Calls Ability to Remain ‘Greatest and Most Secure Power’ and National Resilience into Question

Posted by: You won't believe this at November 18, 2023 05:20 PM (ko8ct)

235 There won't be any dead body hostages.
All the dead people in the tunnels were
killed by you know who.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 18, 2023 05:24 PM (ISx4P)

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