Critical Legal Theory and Seattle [KT]

Critical Race Theory has received a lot of attention recently, especially with the President's executive orders aimed at ending its promotion in the federal government, in the military and among federal contractors. The opposition to Critical Race Theory Training may have really gotten started in Seattle, though. It was there that Christopher Rufo pointed out that this training entailed government-sponsored segregation.

But before Critical Race Theory, there was Critical Legal Theory. Again, Christopher Rufo provides a recent example from Seattle:

In October, the Seattle City Council floated legislation to provide an exemption from prosecution for misdemeanor crimes for any citizen who suffers from poverty, homelessness, addiction, or mental illness.
Under the proposed ordinance, courts would have to dismiss all so-called "crimes of poverty" -- which, according to the city's former public-safety advisor, would cover more than 90 percent of all misdemeanor cases citywide. In effect, the legislation would create a new class of "untouchables," protected from consequences by the city's powerbrokers.

This is the latest and most brazen effort in the city's campaign to establish what might be called a "reverse hierarchy of oppression." The underlying theory is that society has condemned the lower class to a life of poverty and stigma, which leads to addiction, madness, and indigence.
The poor, in the logic of Seattle's progressive elites, are thus forced to commit crimes -- including violent crimes -- to secure their very existence. Therefore, as society is the perpetrator of this inequality, the crimes of the poor must be forgiven. The crimes are transformed into an expression of social justice.

This is almost unbelievable:

Lisa Herbold, the city councilwoman who proposed the legislation, must have known that it would be controversial. Though she chairs the council's Public Safety Committee, she attempted to launder the ordinance through the budgetary process, under the justification that it would reduce the cost of court proceedings and jail usage. During a five-minute presentation buried in an hours-long budget hearing, Herbold framed her argument in social justice terms . . . Neither questions from other councilmembers nor public comment was permitted.
Fortunately, a local watchdog organization flagged the proposal and raised an alarm in the media. . .

This proposal would probably save the city money when businesses and residents left, too.

Andrew Kelman raised an earlier alarm about where Critical Race Theory was taking us in a 2018 piece in Quillette, Beyond All Warnings: The Radical Assault on Truth in the Law. After the summer riots, CHAZ/CHOP and now the proposed changes in treatment of misdemeanors in Seattle, this piece seemed especially applicable to the city.

"Law is the worst of the bunch.... I had no idea how deep the corruption in law had gotten until last year. I have been talking to law students and professors, and it's absolutely unbelievable." Dr. Jordan Peterson, January 2018.
Dr. Jordan Peterson claims left-wing radicals are corrupting legal teaching across the Western world. At first glance, these extraordinary claims about the teaching of law seem unlikely. Jurisprudence is generally considered a dry subject of study, and the relentless application of reason and logic are the hallmark of conventional legal scholars and argumentation.
But there are a few signs that Peterson may be right, and the significant influence of 'postmodern neo-Marxists' on the legal academy is undeniable and pernicious. For more than a generation, a coalition of radical scholars has been schooling students in doctrines they consider above criticism.

This piece covers a lot of territory, and I think it is worth careful consideration. A few short excerpts:

The philosophy behind this movement, known as Critical Legal Theory, has its roots in the 1970s, when postmodern neo-Marxist radicals began challenging and overturning accepted norms and standards. . .

Critical Legal Theory spawned its own substrata: Critical Race Theory (CRT), Feminist Legal Theory and Queer Theory. These influential subgroups eventually came to dominate the movement, as the role of gender, race and sexuality rose in prominence. The narratives, ideology, and vocabulary have become familiar to us all: "systemic oppression", "institutional racism", and "white, cis-gendered, male privilege".
Like any set of academic theories, it was once subject to the kind of lively criticism one would expect of enlightened institutions dedicated to the pursuit of the truth. But, sometime in the 1990s, its proponents hit upon a clever way of advancing their case that would place their philosophy above criticism. When their fellow professors would point out fundamental conceptual flaws, they would simply smear them as racists, sexists and the contemporary equivalent of being alt-right. And it worked beautifully.
The treatment of law professors Daniel Farber and Suzanna Sherry demonstrated their success, even in the face of brilliant critique. In 1997 Farber and Sherry exposed what they saw as the corruption of American legal thinking by postmodernist radicals in their book, Beyond All Reason: The Radical Assault on Truth in American Law.

In terms near identical to Peterson's evaluation twenty years later, their prescient analysis highlighted how left-wing radicals were perverting the ideals of the law as originally inspired by the Enlightenment. They demonstrated that the radicals' postmodern theories conflicted deeply with their own laudable goals of racial justice and progressive dialogue. They showed that these theories, particularly identity politics and White Privilege, had anti-Semitic and anti-Asian implications, undermined community relations and impeded dialogue.
Moreover, they charged that radicals were hypocrites, treating discrimination against Jews, whites and Asians as unworthy of the same criticism as against blacks. . . .

You may recognize the stories of some of the brave, embattled people who have pushed back, highlighted in this piece. There is one dig at Steve Bannon for saying, "Let them call you racists".

The piece ends:

Conservatives and classical liberals must unite to find a new way to end bigotry without the tribalism of extremist identity politics. The tale of Farber and Sherry is a cautionary message. Twenty years of increasing corruption in the law has passed, and we are now beyond all warnings.

Are there enough conservatives and classical liberals left to do this?

You can compare Kelman's piece with the Wiki on critical legal studies, which is criticized for being short on citations.

Quillette also published a reply to Kelman's piece in which the author notes that there is more variation in the theories of proponents of Critical Legal Theory than Kelman suggests, and that:

The challenge of legal indeterminancy didn't actually originate in critical legal theory. Legal realists such as Justices Oliver Wendell Holmes and Jerome Frank noted that "the life of the law is not logic: it is experience."

I am not sure this helps the people of Seattle much.

UPDATE: In November, the King County Council approved a different, but related, plan: Instead of facing a judge, juveniles and adults accused of a first-time, non-violent felony offense will be offered an alternative where a non-profit community panel will decide how the accused person can be held accountable for their crime.

Wonder if their deliberations will be secret?

You might want read from the top of the thread where I found this, too.

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1 Hi KT

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 11:23 AM (9sWOw)

2 Unexpected vigilantly justice...

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at December 05, 2020 11:24 AM (WZyfW)

3 Hi, Skip

Posted by: KT at December 05, 2020 11:24 AM (BVQ+1)

4 Critical Race Theory advocates a complete trashing of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, and as such is blatantly unconstitutional. For Critical Race Theory to succeed, the Constitution must be destroyed. That, of course, is its true goal. None of it's proponents actually give a damn about race, just like none of the rioters this summer actually gave a damn about George Floyd. It's simply a convenient tool to actuate an overthrow of the existing system and institute a new revolutionary regime.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2020 11:25 AM (V2Yro)

5 good morning horde

Posted by: vmom at December 05, 2020 11:25 AM (nUhF0)

6 vigilante

Damn autocucumber.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at December 05, 2020 11:25 AM (WZyfW)

7 From the last thread:

PA legislators send letter to US Congress asking them to deny Biden the electoral votes for PA

https://tinyurl.com/y65p9mvm

Posted by: kallisto at December 05, 2020 11:07 AM (DJFLF)

Show them a copy of the Constitution which says that the State Legislatures have that power.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 05, 2020 11:20 AM (/0HPZ)

Boris Epshteyn on the Bannon show yesterday said the PA legislature punted on this. More profiles in cowardice.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2020 11:26 AM (7N5nE)

8 Called the Horde

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 11:26 AM (9sWOw)

9 Or, "Unexpectedly, vigilante justice"

'Cause, I agree with you, that's what Seattle is asking for (even if they fail to realize it).

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Hey! You can't do that here! at December 05, 2020 11:27 AM (N17yv)

10 Did they include their home address in the legislation, or no?

Posted by: Jimco Industries at December 05, 2020 11:27 AM (buTO7)

11 wait, Critical Legal Theory (which I've bever heard of), came first,then spawned Critical Race Theory?

Posted by: vmom at December 05, 2020 11:28 AM (nUhF0)

12 "Conservatives and classical liberals must unite to find a new way to end bigotry without the tribalism of extremist identity politics. The tale of Farber and Sherry is a cautionary message. Twenty years of increasing corruption in the law has passed, and we are now beyond all warnings."

The problem with this passage is that it's a Stockholm Syndrome way of looking at the problem. Bigotry HAS ended in all significant fashion (seen any ads lately? Hello, the country elected Obama!) The only Bigotry left is the lefts hatred of orthodox Jews and conservative Christians. Fight THAT or else it's all just pissing in the wind.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2020 11:28 AM (V2Yro)

13 The MAGADOOK is coming!! Smell the air, he approaches!

Posted by: Antifa Ate My Homework at December 05, 2020 11:29 AM (qRuf+)

14 Pretty good "Week In Pictures" as Cannibal Bob was saying. Over at Powerline.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Hey! You can't do that here! at December 05, 2020 11:29 AM (N17yv)

15 Never missed an episode of Here Come The Brides when I was a wee lass.

*sigh*

Happier times.

Posted by: Gaelic Girl's Irish Democracy at December 05, 2020 11:29 AM (5FCda)

16 I'm starting Critical Critic Theory

Posted by: vmom at December 05, 2020 11:29 AM (nUhF0)

17 @11 Yes.
Started at a few big name law schools in the 70s.

Law is politics by other means.

Federalist Society started as a reaction.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 05, 2020 11:30 AM (9TdxA)

18 A sternly worded letter, patchwork shitjob for failed lawsuits.

Posted by: Antifa Ate My Homework at December 05, 2020 11:30 AM (qRuf+)

19 Imma get to work on Critical Gravity Theory. You should tie your stuff down, and soon.

Posted by: klaftern at December 05, 2020 11:30 AM (RuIsu)

20 I may have to break down and go to the grocery store today. Down to peanut butter and white wine.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Hey! You can't do that here! at December 05, 2020 11:30 AM (N17yv)

21 Prager in his Rational Bible explains the bible tells to watch for weighted justice, the poor man receiving more leeway than a rich man. So might be a millenniums old warning what we have today.

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 11:31 AM (9sWOw)

22 I'm starting Critical Critic Theory
Posted by: vmom at December 05, 2020 11:29 AM (nUhF0)

I think commenter Adriane has that market cornered.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 05, 2020 11:31 AM (t+qrx)

23 Everyone along the line is punting on the fraud. Legislatures are saying yeah, it's bad but we can't do anything. Wisconsin and Arizona courts are saying yeah, it's bad but we can't do anything. Of course they could, but they're either scared or in on the fraud. It's a nice dream to think that the SCOTUS will step in and become a Council of Elders that singlehandedly chooses the President, but its hard to see them doing that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2020 11:31 AM (V2Yro)

24
The definition of Bigotry will be expanded to satisfy the demand.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 11:31 AM (mht8P)

25 @4 Right on.

A pliable 14th Amendment overrules everything that came before. Because.

And everything after. Because.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 05, 2020 11:32 AM (9TdxA)

26 That's some top-drawer governance they've got there in Seattle. Maxine Waters-level.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 05, 2020 11:32 AM (fLVm1)

27 I guess they have to chisel out the "Equal Justice Under the Law" engraving over the door to the courthouse.

Posted by: JAS at December 05, 2020 11:32 AM (2BZBZ)

28 I have a degree in critical theory in the humanities. No one every told us how this ideology began, probably because it was started by disgruntled Communists in Europe who were frustrated that the workers kept refusing to revolt. Frankfurt School, Institute for Social Research--bad people.
And of course the SDSers perfected the US version in their sinecures in the Ivy League.
https://tinyurl.com/yxzjd97e

Posted by: Pj at December 05, 2020 11:33 AM (qlTN9)

29 Hey, you know who else had a "Public Safety Committee" that gave zero shits about the law, ethics, and morality, but did have a thing for guillotines?

Robespierre.

Lisa Herbold knows exactly what she's doing in Seattle.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 05, 2020 11:33 AM (1YlHz)

30 Proof, as if more was needed, that cities (as currently constituted) are cancerous tumors on the American landscape.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 05, 2020 11:33 AM (/0HPZ)

31 "They do not understand the fragility of civilization and the constant nearness of savage nature".

So who's the 'they' in Paglia's quote?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy 🍺 at December 05, 2020 11:33 AM (ZSK0i)

32 20 I may have to break down and go to the grocery store today. Down to peanut butter and white wine.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Hey! You can't do that here! at December 05, 2020 11:30 AM (N17yv)

-------

I'll bet CBD has a sous vide recipe that you can make with those.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 05, 2020 11:34 AM (fLVm1)

33 Bitter greying progtards are crazy determined to wreck the USA through their deluded disciples before they die. Those people have been fighting against history for 30 years now. Somebody please make them stop.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 05, 2020 11:34 AM (W+kMI)

34 I think we are experiencing Critical Mass Theory with respect to this nation not being able to continue if this fraudulent election is not corrected.

Posted by: kallisto at December 05, 2020 11:34 AM (DJFLF)

35 Loved the dueling Jingle Bells, Thank you

Posted by: spypeach at December 05, 2020 11:35 AM (Up/Jb)

36 21 Prager in his Rational Bible explains the bible tells to watch for weighted justice, the poor man receiving more leeway than a rich man. So might be a millenniums old warning what we have today.
Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 11:31 AM (9sWOw)

Oh yeah, honest justice has always been rare to find in the human experience. Charles Mackey wrote that this was the real reason Trial by Combat stayed so popular among the knightly class in Europe for so long. When your option was to go in front of a Lord who you knew hated you for judgment, or to have your fate determined by a fight you at least had a chance to win, you opted for the fight every time.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2020 11:35 AM (V2Yro)

37
In October, the Seattle City Council floated legislation to provide an exemption from prosecution for misdemeanor crimes for any citizen who suffers from poverty, homelessness, addiction, or mental illness.

__________

And in January, if it comes to it, the DOJ will float legislation to provide an exemption from prosecution for felony crimes for any bureaucrat who subverted the Trump administration.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 11:35 AM (mht8P)

38 I may have to break down and go to the grocery store today. Down to peanut butter and white wine.

Damned straight. Everyone knows peanut butter goes with red wine, not white.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy 🍺 at December 05, 2020 11:35 AM (ZSK0i)

39 "Dueling Jingle Bells" made me happy though. That was some great playing, got me into the holiday mood right enough.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 05, 2020 11:35 AM (W+kMI)

40 29 Hey, you know who else had a "Public Safety Committee" that gave zero shits about the law, ethics, and morality, but did have a thing for guillotines?

Robespierre.

Lisa Herbold knows exactly what she's doing in Seattle.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 05, 2020 11:33 AM (1YlHz)

Jackassobin.

Posted by: jsg at December 05, 2020 11:35 AM (gtJ22)

41 vmom at December 05, 2020 11:28 AM
I know. Seems like they kept discussions of Critical Legal Theory in the law schools.

A few years ago, Dennis Prager was the "entertainment" at some law conference. The speaker before him talked about his determination to use the law to uplift. some downtrodden groups. Don't remember which.

Prager said something like, "with all due respect, that's not your job. Your job is to do justice in each individual case".

He didn't think he would be invited back to speak again.

Posted by: KT at December 05, 2020 11:36 AM (BVQ+1)

42 On the other thread I posted a letter sent by PA reps to Congress about denying electors to Biden. I am disappointed, but not surprised that my two local reps did not sign.

And they don't even have to worry about reelection. One of them retired and the other was (allegedly) defeated this last month.

Posted by: kallisto at December 05, 2020 11:36 AM (DJFLF)

43 "or to have your fate determined by a fight you at least had a chance to win, you opted for the fight every time."

Tell me about it

Posted by: Tyrion Lanister at December 05, 2020 11:36 AM (9TdxA)

44
Sorry, no use for Camille Paglia. She says all the right things, then does all the wrong ones.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 11:36 AM (mht8P)

45 >>>But before Critical Race Theory, there was Critical Legal Theory.
Again, Christopher Rufo provides a recent example from Seattle.

Horse before cart? Seems like CRT has been around awhile. It is a theory. CLT in an application of that theory to practice. At least, that is the way it seems to me.

Posted by: flounder at December 05, 2020 11:36 AM (KnJdm)

46 hiya

Posted by: JT at December 05, 2020 11:37 AM (arJlL)

47 >>>Prager in his Rational Bible explains the bible tells to watch for weighted justice

What does old DP say about this? In 2 Samuel 21 God holds Israel responsible for injustice done to the Gibeonites by King Saul even though he was by that time dead. In Joshua 7 and Numbers 16, God holds whole families responsible for the sin of one member. In 1 Samuel 15:2 and Deuteronomy 23:3-8, he holds members of the current generation of a pagan nation responsible for the sins committed by their ancestors many generations before.

Posted by: Antifa Ate My Homework at December 05, 2020 11:37 AM (qRuf+)

48 PB and Mad Dog. Naturally.

Posted by: klaftern at December 05, 2020 11:38 AM (RuIsu)

49 Under the proposed ordinance, courts would have to dismiss all so-called "crimes of poverty"

They should call them "crimes of stupidity," or "crimes of poor character." Terms that apply to virtually all crime.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 11:38 AM (tW3KO)

50 I have relatives in a working class suburb of Seattle. Wonder if this will increase their property values as people leave the city, enduring horrible commutes?
or lessen their property values as businesses leave Seattle?

Posted by: KT at December 05, 2020 11:38 AM (BVQ+1)

51 In October, the Seattle City Council floated legislation to provide an exemption from prosecution for misdemeanor crimes for any citizen who suffers from poverty, homelessness, addiction, or mental illness."

When this idea first came out, I remember posting that if I was there and this passed, I would start chugging cough syrup, get an official diagnosis for "addiction", and after that every day I would go the Mayors house, jump on top of her car and take a big dump on the hood, while dancing and singing "You can't touch me! You can't touch me!!!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2020 11:38 AM (V2Yro)

52 Public shaming. Vigilante justice. Critical Town Square beatings and submission. Forced confessions. Beheadings. Strappado.

Let's bring it all back for shits and giggles.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 05, 2020 11:38 AM (WOYcU)

53 Jiffy and Thunderbird.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 05, 2020 11:39 AM (zI9dG)

54
Time for Jury Nullification for Deplorables hauled into court.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 11:39 AM (mht8P)

55 To be fair, who really wants a truly civil society?

Posted by: Commissar-Elect Hrothgar - I Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at December 05, 2020 11:39 AM (87oRe)

56 I would love every shithole blue city to adopt this policy.

Posted by: Asshoes at December 05, 2020 11:39 AM (22mNy)

57 I am critical of critical race theory. (Which term does not warrant capitalization.)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 11:40 AM (tW3KO)

58 Derrick Bell was a Harvard Law professor who adopted many tenets of Critical Legal Theory when he was a founder of Critical Race Theory.

Posted by: Tyrion Lanister at December 05, 2020 11:40 AM (9TdxA)

59 It's already happening.

Chesea Boudin and other Soros-linked prosecutors have already been announcing that they won't prosecute "crimes of poverty", so they won't charge homeless people and the Officially Poor with property crimes like theft and shoplifting.

It's only a short extension to decide that assault and indecent exposure are also "crimes of poverty".

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 05, 2020 11:40 AM (I2/tG)

60 The poor, in the logic of Seattle's progressive elites, are thus forced
to commit crimes -- including violent crimes -- to secure their very
existence

I've heard that argument countless times. "But they're poor, they're desperate! What are they supposed to do? How else will they survive?"

Apparently, "Graduate high school and get free training" is a raysis answer.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 05, 2020 11:40 AM (NodWM)

61 The MAGADOOK is coming!! Smell the air, he approaches!

I think you're just trying to cover for your gaseous emissions.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at December 05, 2020 11:40 AM (SchxB)

62 Time for Jury Nullification for Deplorables hauled into court.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 11:39 AM (mht8P)

Comrade, never forget the security cameras place in the jury deliberation rooms (for your protection of course)!

Posted by: Commissar-Elect Hrothgar - I Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at December 05, 2020 11:41 AM (87oRe)

63 I wish people would stop using wiki as a source. It's lazy thinking and those fuckheads are the enemy.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 05, 2020 11:41 AM (y7DUB)

64 Got the trenches dug and bags of lime. Patiently waiting on some "nearness of savage nature" hole filler.

Posted by: It calms down pretty quick around here at December 05, 2020 11:41 AM (cCxiu)

65 A few years ago, Dennis Prager was the "entertainment" at some law conference. The speaker before him talked about his determination to use the law to uplift some downtrodden groups. Don't remember which.

Straight white male taxpayers?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 11:42 AM (tW3KO)

66 Peter Pan and Boones Farm.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 05, 2020 11:42 AM (zI9dG)

67 "the justification that it would reduce the cost of court proceedings and jail usage"

Hey, here's a better solution for ya--just make everything legal. Cost of court proceedings and jail usage goes to zero!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 05, 2020 11:43 AM (l9m7l)

68 I included that music by The Piano Guys, in a minor key, partly because one in their group lost a daughter not long ago in a hiking accident in the Northwest. They got through it.

Posted by: KT at December 05, 2020 11:43 AM (BVQ+1)

69 I've heard that argument countless times. "But they're poor, they're desperate! What are they supposed to do? How else will they survive?"

Apparently, "Graduate high school and get free training" is a raysis answer.
Posted by: NR Pax at December 05, 2020 11:40 AM (NodWM)

I don't care if they survive. Adapt, or go the way of the fat slow-running gazelles on the savannah. I'm good either way.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 11:43 AM (tW3KO)

70 "the justification that it would reduce the cost of court proceedings and jail usage"

How great were the costs Vlad the Impaler incurred?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 11:44 AM (tW3KO)

71 And in January, if it comes to it, the DOJ will float legislation to provide an exemption from prosecution for felony crimes for any bureaucrat who subverted the Trump administration.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 11:35 AM (mht8P)

Behold the wonder of administrative law!

Posted by: Commissar-Elect Hrothgar - I Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at December 05, 2020 11:44 AM (87oRe)

72 I consider the various marxist theories (not really theories though, are they, if you're not allowed to examine them critically) to be directly contradicted by the evidence derived from actual studies like ACES.

You take a set of criteria, defined as Adverse Childhood Experiences... none of which have a damn thing to with being born black or female or transjenner or any of that nonsense, and you tally up how many of them a person experienced in their formative years.

Are there few or none? Then the person is going to grow up to live a more or less normal life. Are there many? Then their life is going to be full of all the hellish things that are idiotically attributed to society's unfairness.

Yes, life is unfair. And the single ONE MOST unfair thing is... the differences in how people are raised.

When you look at outcomes, that's the single greatest indicator of one's life's course.

All the rest of this stuff is bullshit. Period.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 11:45 AM (hku12)

73
"They do not understand the fragility of civilization and the constant nearness of savage nature".

So who's the 'they' in Paglia's quote?
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at December 05, 2020 11:33 AM (ZSK0i)

"They" are the people that Paglia spends 2 years flamethrowing in her writing and then votes for them anyway, because ewww, Republicans have cooties.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 05, 2020 11:45 AM (EGyGV)

74 I don't care if they survive. Adapt, or go the way of the fat slow-running gazelles on the savannah. I'm good either way.

I like the way you think. Honestly, if we adapted the idea of "Don't work, don't eat" a lot of problems would magically be resolved.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 05, 2020 11:46 AM (NodWM)

75 Posted by: It calms down pretty quick around here at December 05, 2020 11:41 AM (cCxiu)

My tractor dealer said he cannot keep backhoes in stock since mid-summer.

Posted by: Commissar-Elect Hrothgar - I Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at December 05, 2020 11:46 AM (87oRe)

76 Apparently, "Graduate high school and get free training" is a raysis answer.
Posted by: NR Pax at December 05, 2020 11:40 AM (NodWM)

Get an HS diploma (for what that's worth), don't have kids until you are married...nine times out of ten, you do that much, you won't be in poverty.

Try selling that to virtue signaling, power mad Leftists.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 05, 2020 11:47 AM (/0HPZ)

77 For a price, I'd do about anything
Except pull the trigger
For that I'd need a pretty good cause
Then I heard of Dr. X
The man with the cure
Just watch the television
Yeah, you'll see there's something going on

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 11:47 AM (Y8GVo)

78 I think commenter Adriane has that market cornered.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 05, 2020 11:31 AM (t+qrx)

whaaat?
This is critical snark appropriation!
I demand reparations!

I hereby establish the Snark Autonomous Zone in this comment.

Posted by: vmom Critucal Snark Theorist at December 05, 2020 11:48 AM (nUhF0)

79 29 Hey, you know who else had a "Public Safety Committee" that gave zero shits about the law, ethics, and morality, but did have a thing for guillotines?

Robespierre.

Lisa Herbold knows exactly what she's doing in Seattle.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 05, 2020 11:33 AM (1YlHz)

How did that turn out for Max? Oh. Sorry to hear that. Not.

Same thing with Trotsky. He wrote pieces in defense of terrorism ("The defense of terrorism; terrorism and Communism; a reply to Karl Kautsky"), but forgot to exclude ice axes.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 11:48 AM (tW3KO)

80 Got no love for politicians

Or that crazy scene in D.C
It's just a power mad town
But the time is ripe for changes
There's a growing feeling
That taking a chance on a new kind of vision is due

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 11:48 AM (Y8GVo)

81 A big part of the problem is that Left-wing voters can't anticipate the obvious consequences of their policies - for example, that if you refuse to prosecute shoplifters, you will make it impossible to operate big stores in poor neighborhoods, because they will be ravaged by shoplifting rings.

There was an inadvertently hilarious poster on Portland Reddit who was outraged that a hobo RV had parked in front of his house and the occupants were selling drugs out of the RV, and the cops would do nothing.

Hey, the voters of the State of Oregon just voted to decriminalize personal quantities of hard drugs. Since you live in Portland, I bet you voted for it.

And you seriously thought that the cops would keep rousting low-level drug dealers when the drugs themselves are legal in small quantities?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 05, 2020 11:49 AM (I2/tG)

82 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 05, 2020 11:47 AM (/0HPZ)

But, those not in poverty...

might not vote for the free lunch for those that are!

Posted by: Commissar-Elect Hrothgar - I Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at December 05, 2020 11:49 AM (87oRe)

83 65 A few years ago, Dennis Prager was the "entertainment" at some law conference. The speaker before him talked about his determination to use the law to uplift some downtrodden groups. Don't remember which.

Straight white male taxpayers?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 11:42 AM (tW3KO)

Yes.

Posted by: Kelli Loeffler at December 05, 2020 11:49 AM (ZQ/FE)

84 What rights do people have to resist crimes, if the state gives license to the downtrodden?

Do I have to let them shoplift? Do I need to do a background check first?

Posted by: Tyrion Lanister at December 05, 2020 11:49 AM (9TdxA)

85
Hey, what could go wrong?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 11:49 AM (mht8P)

86 I've heard that argument countless times. "But they're poor, they're desperate! What are they supposed to do? How else will they survive?"

Apparently, "Graduate high school and get free training" is a raysis answer.
Posted by: NR Pax at December 05, 2020 11:40 AM (NodWM)

I don't care if they survive. Adapt, or go the way of the fat slow-running gazelles on the savannah. I'm good either way.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 11:43 AM (tW3KO)

The thing that makes me uncomfortable about all this is I find myself wondering if maybe Bill and Malandra Gates are onto something.

Maybe it's time to cull the herd.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 11:49 AM (hku12)

87 40 29 Hey, you know who else had a "Public Safety Committee" that gave zero shits about the law, ethics, and morality, but did have a thing for guillotines?

Robespierre.

Lisa Herbold knows exactly what she's doing in Seattle.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 05, 2020 11:33 AM (1YlHz)

Jackassobin.
Posted by: jsg at December 05, 2020 11:35 AM (gtJ22)

Ms. Herbold really doesn't know what she's doing, as she and other Leftists have no use for history.

What happened to Robespierre again?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 05, 2020 11:49 AM (/0HPZ)

88 @70 How great were the costs Vlad the Impaler incurred?
an affordable pole tax?

Posted by: It calms down pretty quick around here at December 05, 2020 11:50 AM (cCxiu)

89 Try selling that to virtue signaling, power mad Leftists.

Got into a debate about that idea. Someone asked me "Well how did YOU pay off your college debt?"

Me: "Simple. Took every shit job I could find when I graduated, lived below my means, moved to a cheaper state and paid my debts."
"Oh, well that worked for you back then. It doesn't work now."

I gave up at that point. Some men you just can't reach.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 05, 2020 11:50 AM (NodWM)

90 Free helicopter rides!!!

See the beautiful Trees of Liberty first hand!!!!

Help water them!!!!!

Posted by: Nick, watering thoroughly The Tree of Liberty at December 05, 2020 11:50 AM (KqiMr)

91 I used to trust the media

To tell me the truth, tell us the truth

But now I've seen the payoffs
Everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?

Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Revolution calling you

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 11:50 AM (Y8GVo)

92 Get an HS diploma (for what that's worth), don't have kids until you are married...nine times out of ten, you do that much, you won't be in poverty.

Try selling that to virtue signaling, power mad Leftists.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 05, 2020 11:47 AM (/0HPZ)

1. Graduate from high school
2. Don't get a criminal record
3. Get a job, preferably developing some skills
4. Defer kids until married
5. Live within your means, whatever they may be
6. Save some money every month, and invest it
7. Let time and compounding do their magic.
8. Prepare to be amazed.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 11:50 AM (tW3KO)

93 Critical theory IS bigotry, sanctioned beneath a veneer of intellectualism and in pursuit of political ends that are otherwise universally rejected.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 05, 2020 11:50 AM (7DzWP)

94 Greetings:

Well, for having an upright bass in it, that last videos wasn't half bad.

Posted by: 11B40 at December 05, 2020 11:50 AM (evgyj)

95 How great were the costs Vlad the Impaler incurred?

Vlad was under the control of Big Lumber.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 05, 2020 11:51 AM (NodWM)

96 Ms. Herbold really doesn't know what she's doing, as she and other Leftists have no use for history.

Actually, some of them know exactly what they are doing.

They want a revolution, and societal chaos is the way to get there.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 05, 2020 11:51 AM (I2/tG)

97 oh noes. lots of people in Georgia looking at prison uner EO 13848

@CodeMonkeyZ

In 2019, why did Georgia State MANDATE the use of Lenovo, a Chinese corporation headquartered in Beijing, for Enterprise Infrastructure?

Were Lenovo machines used for election infrastructure?

Does Lenovo ship hardware with malware pre-installed?

https://tinyurl.com/y22p3rmw

Posted by: bat nationalist at December 05, 2020 11:51 AM (ZQ/FE)

98 Was talking to a friend last night about Communism, and its inherent flaws. He is a LIV squish but still pretty grounded in some things, like rejecting the heresy of the false prophet Marx. One of the things we noted and agreed on is that the Marxist collective philosophy falls apart in presuming all people will automatically come together to do what's right for each other without fear of risk or lack of reward. As long as the people are working and sharing together, it will automatically be good. The entirety of human experience argues against such predetermined airhead reasoning.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 05, 2020 11:52 AM (W+kMI)

99 The True end game of all of this, even if most of the leftist idiots pushing these ideas don't realize it, is that they degrade the public sphere so much that all faith and trust in public institutions dies. And that's when the Man in the White Horse arrives, and promises to fix it all by His Command, and nothing else. And the people welcome him, because at least he's better than the way things have gotten.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 05, 2020 11:53 AM (V2Yro)

100 A big part of the problem is that Left-wing voters can't anticipate the obvious consequences of their policies - for example, that if you refuse to prosecute shoplifters, you will make it impossible to operate big stores in poor neighborhoods, because they will be ravaged by shoplifting rings.

..........
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 05, 2020 11:49 AM (I2/tG)

That's where the CRT folks have you though. If you pull your stores out of the neighborhoods, then you are rayciss.

Capitalism itself is rayciss, and the only solution is an end to private ownership of businesses like grocery stores and pharmacies... and I guess hair extension and nail salons.

Thou shalt not be allowed to pull your Dollar Store out of the hood. Thus spaketh our lords.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 11:53 AM (hku12)

101 The key to not being poor is delayed gratification. Those who do well in life have the ability to delay gratification. Those that do poorly in life dont.

Posted by: Asshoes at December 05, 2020 11:53 AM (22mNy)

102 "They" are the people that Paglia spends 2 years flamethrowing in her writing and then votes for them anyway, because ewww, Republicans have cooties.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 05, 2020 11:45 AM (EGyGV)

I like Hurricane Camille but she fucks this up every damn election and I can't excuse it.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 05, 2020 11:53 AM (y7DUB)

103 "Revolution Calling"

https://tinyurl.com/y4e97puv

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 11:54 AM (Y8GVo)

104 1. Graduate from high school
2. Don't get a criminal record

The conservative Public Interest magazine frequently would note that to stay out of poverty, a young woman needed to do three things:

1) Graduate high school.
2) Don't get pregnant in high school.
3) Don't have kids until you are married.

If you manage those three things, your chances of being in poverty are effectively zero.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 05, 2020 11:55 AM (I2/tG)

105 Useful idiots believe the commie lie of "poverty causes crime" The tune callers are probably fully aware that crime causes poverty is the actual cause and effect.

Remove protection of law from an area and everyone with means will exit, leaving only the criminals and folks who cannot find the will or resources to move away. But there is federal money to be obtained and skimmed off of, by having a large group of welfare clients so corrupt bureaucrats work to keep people uneducated, and having addicts or folks being driven insane and getting bonus fed bucks for being mentally ill is icing on the corruption cake.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 05, 2020 11:55 AM (Aashi)

106 Got into a debate about that idea. Someone asked me "Well how did YOU pay off your college debt?"

Me: "Simple. Took every shit job I could find when I graduated, lived below my means, moved to a cheaper state and paid my debts."
"Oh, well that worked for you back then. It doesn't work now."

I gave up at that point. Some men you just can't reach.
Posted by: NR Pax at December 05, 2020 11:50 AM (NodWM)

The difference between you and that guy? Character.

"It doesn't work now." Nothing works if you're strategy is to give up pre-emptively.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 11:55 AM (tW3KO)

107 "And that's when the Man in the White Horse arrives, and promises to fix it all by His Command, and nothing else."

Paging Donald Trump. Paging Donald Trump

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 05, 2020 11:55 AM (9TdxA)

108 "They do not understand the fragility of civilization and the constant nearness of savage nature".

So who's the 'they' in Paglia's quote?
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at December 05, 2020 11:33 AM (ZSK0i)

With modern tight supply chains, cities have about 2 days worth of food on hand.

Lights go out? and most do not even have any idea of what to do.

Cities are death traps.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 05, 2020 11:55 AM (d9rwJ)

109 Critical Theory you say?
perform a search by region and see what jumps out to you. What is missing from certian regions and present in other. hmmm...
https://www.younggloballeaders.org/community

Posted by: bat nationalist at December 05, 2020 11:55 AM (ZQ/FE)

110 Not enough cops in minority areas is racist because the city doesnt care about crime there.

Too many cops in those areas is racist because the city is hassling the poor minority folks.

You can ever win with these people.

Posted by: Asshoes at December 05, 2020 11:56 AM (22mNy)

111 Does Lenovo ship hardware with malware pre-installed?
YES.
Also didn't IBM buy Lenovo a decade or so ago? I'd be looking hard at malware on those too.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at December 05, 2020 11:56 AM (cCxiu)

112
"They do not understand the fragility of civilization and the constant nearness of savage nature".

__________

"That's why I voted for the Green Party."

Silly bint

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 11:57 AM (mht8P)

113 Critical theory IS bigotry, sanctioned beneath a veneer of intellectualism and in pursuit of political ends that are otherwise universally rejected.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 05, 2020 11:50 AM (7DzWP)

It's a religion. Or call it a cult, if that's preferable.

If it's based on a belief that will not be tested, but MUST be taken on faith, then it is what everyone can see that it is.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 11:57 AM (hku12)

114 Capitalism itself is rayciss, and the only solution is an end to private ownership of businesses like grocery stores and pharmacies...

The "Antifa mayor" in Portland (who lost her election) talked about "community-owned" grocery stories, along with a "municipal bank".

And all the rental stock of housing will be taken over by the government as well.

When they talk about socialism, they are talking Venezuela, not Sweden.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 05, 2020 11:58 AM (I2/tG)

115 3 walked away with minor injuries. hmmm..

https://twitter.com/JuliansRum/
status/1335082427618832385

Molten remains of the "car crash" that killed Harrison Deal (Loeffler staffer/Kemp's daughter's bf) (see pic)

Posted by: bat nationalist at December 05, 2020 11:58 AM (ZQ/FE)

116 Useful idiots believe the commie lie of "poverty causes crime" The tune callers are probably fully aware that crime causes poverty is the actual cause and effect.

Absolutely right. Just as poverty doesn't cause "homelessness," mental illness, and drug use, but mental illness and drug use cause "homelessness" and poverty.

And as for all these programs for the "homeless," I like my aphorism: "making provision for a problem guarantees its existence."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 11:58 AM (tW3KO)

117 The entirety of human experience argues against such predetermined airhead reasoning.
Posted by: exdem13 at December 05, 2020 11:52 AM (W+kMI)

This is one reason why we've never seen a true communist society, at least as Marx idealized in his fevered dreams. It's always a form of socialism. Because the scum that rises to the top isn't about to give up the perks and power associated with being there. And they all have friends and family. YOU share. YOU'RE all in it together. WE'LL tell you what, when and where.

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 11:58 AM (L8ADy)

118 The language has shifted. There are two good examples above (and I don't blame the author.)

1. "Critical", when I was in college, was a tag that meant "Kantian." Now it seems to mean "Marxist."

2. "Classical Liberal" used to mean John Stuart Mill, paradigmatically. Nowadays it often seems to mean Hubert Humphrey.

The trouble is that we can't tell what the speaker is referring to. In the case of (1), the best idea is to assume neo-Marxism in a contemporary usage, but remember the old meaning for older works.

In (2), you just have to guess based on context.

Incidentally, "social justice" is another case.

Posted by: Eeyore at December 05, 2020 11:58 AM (7X3UV)

119 70 "the justification that it would reduce the cost of court proceedings and jail usage"

How great were the costs Vlad the Impaler incurred?
=======
Pretty low, actually. Figure in about 5 minutes on the average to hear a case and get consultation, then about 10 minutes to get a stake out of the stack, securely plant it, then impale the wretch upon it. Stakes were cheap, since wood was plentiful. And when there is but one punishment for crime, justice is swift and merciless and lasting. Romanian nobles didn't love the Impaler, but the Romanian peasants approved of his rough justice applied to everyone equally and revered his memory.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 05, 2020 11:58 AM (W+kMI)

120 "They do not understand the fragility of civilization and the constant nearness of savage nature".

So who's the 'they' in Paglia's quote?
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at December 05, 2020 11:33 AM (ZSK0i)

With modern tight supply chains, cities have about 2 days worth of food on hand.

Lights go out? and most do not even have any idea of what to do.

Cities are death traps.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 05, 2020 11:55 AM (d9rwJ)

I just took the word "they" as pretty much everybody.

I'm not talking about individuals, I mean all the institutions, all the groupings, all of society.

We operate as if everything just keeps on keeping on. Which it does... until it doesn't.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:00 PM (hku12)

121 Molten remains of the "car crash" that killed Harrison Deal (Loeffler staffer/Kemp's daughter's bf) (see pic)
Posted by: bat nationalist at December 05, 2020 11:58 AM (ZQ/FE)

Yep. I said yesterday it sounded like it was a warning to those who might plan on straying from the golden path.

And now, details emerge. Of course, my lying eyes, yada, yada.

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:00 PM (L8ADy)

122 Not enough cops in minority areas is racist because the city doesnt care about crime there.

Too many cops in those areas is racist because the city is hassling the poor minority folks.

You can ever win with these people.
Posted by: Asshoes at December 05, 2020 11:56 AM (22mNy)

It's not a valid argument, nor is it intended to be. It's Red agitprop, to stir up the minorities and generate their beloved "mass movement."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:00 PM (tW3KO)

123 Does Lenovo ship hardware with malware pre-installed?
YES.
Also didn't IBM buy Lenovo a decade or so ago? I'd be looking hard at malware on those too.

IBM sold off their their PC division to Lenovo. They sold their X86 server division to Lenovo, too.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at December 05, 2020 12:00 PM (SchxB)

124
Ms. Herbold really doesn't know what she's doing, as she and other Leftists have no use for history.

Actually, some of them know exactly what they are doing.

They want a revolution, and societal chaos is the way to get there.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 05, 2020 11:51 AM (I2/tG)

You have those two in the wrong order, they want societal chaos, and revolution is the way to get there.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 05, 2020 12:00 PM (EGyGV)

125 1. Graduate from high school
2. Don't get a criminal record
3. Get a job, preferably developing some skills
4. Defer kids until married
5. Live within your means, whatever they may be
6. Save some money every month, and invest it
7. Let time and compounding do their magic.
----
Reading through the list, I did NONE of that and still did far better than people that did all of it.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at December 05, 2020 12:00 PM (buTO7)

126 Guise, Kelly Loeffler is a "political outsider"
LMFAO!

https://tinyurl.com/y6sxvq6n

Loeffler's husband, Jeffrey Sprecher, is CEO of Intercontinental Exchange, which owns a variety of financial exchanges, including the New York Stock Exchange, and other financial businesses. The company is valued at close to $60 billion.

She is worth $800 million.

Posted by: bat nationalist at December 05, 2020 12:01 PM (ZQ/FE)

127
Best of Breed for Delilah this morning. I'm a little surprised because the judge and Her Majesty don't like each other much. But Lila had a professional handler.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:01 PM (mht8P)

128 And they don't even have to worry about reelection. One of them retired and the other was (allegedly) defeated this last month.
=====

kallisto, I thought you were talking about the IL DeKalb county -- far collar county around Cook and fallen to the blue along with every other attempt at a speed regulator.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2020 12:02 PM (MIKMs)

129 @ppv_tahoe

BREAKING: DeKalb County Cannot Find or are they hiding Chain of Custody Records for Absentee Ballots Deposited in drop boxes. Injunction needs to be filed code 183-1-14-0.8-.14 was BROKEN
@TalkMullins

@JennaEllisEsq

@LLinWood

@RudyGiuliani

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 12:02 PM (ZLI7S)

130 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:01 PM (mht8P

Congrats

Posted by: It's me donna at December 05, 2020 12:02 PM (Zmnko)

131 Pretty low, actually. Figure in about 5 minutes on the average to hear a
case and get consultation, then about 10 minutes to get a stake out of
the stack, securely plant it, then impale the wretch upon it. Stakes
were cheap, since wood was plentiful. And when there is but one
punishment for crime, justice is swift and merciless and lasting.
Romanian nobles didn't love the Impaler, but the Romanian peasants
approved of his rough justice applied to everyone equally and revered
his memory.

Liberals at the time complained the practice wasn't sanitary, as they didn't always use a new stake.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at December 05, 2020 12:02 PM (SchxB)

132 Except number 3. Did that at age 13.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at December 05, 2020 12:02 PM (buTO7)

133 Injunction needs to be filed code 183-1-14-0.8-.14 was BROKEN

But it won't be

Posted by: It's me donna at December 05, 2020 12:03 PM (Zmnko)

134 YOU WILL NOT BE CRITICAL OF CRITICAL THEORY!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 05, 2020 12:03 PM (7DzWP)

135 today....i'm going to put up the tree.....maybe....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 05, 2020 12:03 PM (CqHIp)

136 Posted by: bat nationalist at December 05, 2020 11:58 AM (ZQ/FE)

Son of a b...., something is amiss

Posted by: Commissar-Elect Hrothgar - I Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at December 05, 2020 12:04 PM (87oRe)

137 today....i'm going to put up the tree.....maybe....

Ours went up last week... We do take it down on Dec. 26th though... A habit we got into because My Daughters B-Day is the 29th

Posted by: It's me donna at December 05, 2020 12:05 PM (Zmnko)

138 today....i'm going to put up the tree.....maybe....

Mine went up last week. Take that as inspiration. If my lazy ass can get it done it should be a snap for you.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at December 05, 2020 12:05 PM (SchxB)

139 Why is it you almost never see poor Asian or Jewish people. Cuz for virtually all Asian and Jewish families education is the number 1 thing. It isnt magic or mysterious how this stuff works.

Posted by: Asshoes at December 05, 2020 12:05 PM (22mNy)

140 @133 Blanco-
IBM sold off their their PC division to Lenovo. They sold their X86 server division to Lenovo, too.
Thanks. I remembered vaguely something about that. Of course as usual I got it backwards. heh.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at December 05, 2020 12:05 PM (cCxiu)

141 The CA lockdown is about to kill off the rest of those pesky small business owners:

https://tinyurl.com/yx8fcxwl

A few counties have decided not to wait for Newsom's calendar, and are imposing the strict measures tomorrow.

I'm going to mosey on over to that 101 overpass I mentioned yesterday and see if those patriots are hanging out again today. Might be a good group to get in contact with. Spent last night disassembling/cleaning my 2A rights. Place has a nice lingering Hoppe's aroma this morning. Oh! And I ordered a nice rosewood grip for a Christmas present to me.

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:05 PM (L8ADy)

142 103 "Revolution Calling"

https://tinyurl.com/y4e97puv

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 11:54 AM (Y8GVo)

Damn good song.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 05, 2020 12:05 PM (/0HPZ)

143 131 Pretty low, actually. Figure in about 5 minutes on the average to hear a
case and get consultation, then about 10 minutes to get a stake out of
the stack, securely plant it, then impale the wretch upon it. Stakes
were cheap, since wood was plentiful. And when there is but one
punishment for crime, justice is swift and merciless and lasting.
Romanian nobles didn't love the Impaler, but the Romanian peasants
approved of his rough justice applied to everyone equally and revered
his memory.

I've always, well not always but sometimes, wondered how the impaling worked. Was the miscreant impaled through the chest, the back, or up the ass?
Actually I rarely wonder about it, but I have.

Posted by: N.L. Urker at December 05, 2020 12:05 PM (lgiXo)

144 I need to get out the lights and stuff. I'm not motivated to do xmas cheer this year but maybe going through the motions will help the mood along.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 05, 2020 12:05 PM (Aashi)

145
Marxism is scientific, right? If, as a scientist, I had a hypothesis and tried to test it numerous times in a variety of ways, I'd conclude my hypothesis was wrong. Marxists never come to the same conclusion, even after a century of catastrophic failure in societies around the world.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:05 PM (mht8P)

146 117 The entirety of human experience argues against such predetermined airhead reasoning.
Posted by: exdem13 at December 05, 2020 11:52 AM (W+kMI)

This is one reason why we've never seen a true communist society, at least as Marx idealized in his fevered dreams. It's always a form of socialism. Because the scum that rises to the top isn't about to give up the perks and power associated with being there. And they all have friends and family. YOU share. YOU'RE all in it together. WE'LL tell you what, when and where.
====
Ever since university I have maintained that Marx ruined his entire utopian fantasy with the term "dictatorship of the proletariat". It's the ultimate failure, because the required strongman to hold socialism in place, sustain it, and punish the enemies of same, will never voluntarily relinquish the office of ultimate power. The Marxist scheme of imposing totalitarian rule to guarantee "power and prosperity of the people" has inevitably led to the imposition of tyrants who have inflicted more misery than all the crowned heads of history combined.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 05, 2020 12:06 PM (W+kMI)

147 But Lila had a professional handler.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:01 PM (mht8P)

Shame, but that might decouple personality conflicts?

Good news, she won!

Posted by: Commissar-Elect Hrothgar - I Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at December 05, 2020 12:06 PM (87oRe)

148 Absolutely right. Just as poverty doesn't cause "homelessness," mental illness, and drug use, but mental illness and drug use cause "homelessness" and poverty.

And as for all these programs for the "homeless," I like my aphorism: "making provision for a problem guarantees its existence."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 11:58 AM (tW3KO)

We don't have many homeless folks around here. We have some, but not many. Being in Colorado, the stoners often show up when the weather is nice, and do what they do.

Then when people see them on the streets, they ask "why doesn't the city do something about them?"

Well... the city COULD do something about them, but if it did, we'd get a lot more of them. As things stand now though, the few who hover, I guess this is "home," but those who pass through on their way to Denver and its surroundings? That's because Denver has lots of services for them.

Cause/effect... how do it work.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:06 PM (hku12)

149 Thanks. I remembered vaguely something about that. Of course as usual I got it backwards. heh.

It's IT industry crap. I just happen to remember stuff like that. Don't expect anyone else to. Kinda scary when someone else does.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at December 05, 2020 12:06 PM (SchxB)

150 144 I need to get out the lights and stuff. I'm not motivated to do xmas cheer this year but maybe going through the motions will help the mood along.

I'm going all out this year and it has helped my mood...

Posted by: It's me donna at December 05, 2020 12:06 PM (Zmnko)

151 Best of Breed for Delilah this morning. I'm a little surprised because the judge and Her Majesty don't like each other much. But Lila had a professional handler.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:01 PM (mht8P)

Nice way to start the day!

Posted by: Gaelic Girl's Irish Democracy at December 05, 2020 12:06 PM (5FCda)

152 cool

I woke up this morning with a boner!

and it is a white boner

Posted by: Elliot Page at December 05, 2020 12:07 PM (GIeIM)

153 Liberals at the time complained the practice wasn't sanitary, as they didn't always use a new stake.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at December 05, 2020 12:02 PM (SchxB)

And then whined about use of "old growth" forests for the stake.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:08 PM (tW3KO)

154 Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 12:02 PM (ZLI7S)

did they check under the sofa cushions?

Posted by: vmom Critucal Snark Theorist at December 05, 2020 12:08 PM (nUhF0)

155 IBM sold off their their PC division to Lenovo. They sold their X86 server division to Lenovo, too.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at December 05, 2020 12:00 PM (SchxB)

A lot of people are pissed off about this. Especially since you can have a superior Asus from Taiwan for the same cost, probably a bit less. Acer is also a decent choice.

No doubt there's a kickback rattling around in there, along with other potential "issues".

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:08 PM (L8ADy)

156
"They do not understand the fragility of civilization and the constant nearness of savage nature".

So who's the 'they' in Paglia's quote?
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at December 05, 2020 11:33 AM (ZSK0i)

With modern tight supply chains, cities have about 2 days worth of food on hand.

Lights go out? and most do not even have any idea of what to do.

Cities are death traps.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 05, 2020 11:55 AM (d9rwJ)

I just took the word "they" as pretty much everybody.

I'm not talking about individuals, I mean all the institutions, all the groupings, all of society.

We operate as if everything just keeps on keeping on. Which it does... until it doesn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:00 PM (hku12)

Institutions are made of people.

People are made of meat.

So now the just-in-time food shipping problem for the cities is solved.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 05, 2020 12:08 PM (EGyGV)

157 Marxism is scientific, right? If, as a scientist, I had a hypothesis and tried to test it numerous times in a variety of ways, I'd conclude my hypothesis was wrong. Marxists never come to the same conclusion, even after a century of catastrophic failure in societies around the world.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:05 PM (mht8P)

You missed the part where testing it is rayciss.

So no, it's not a science, any more than Globall Warmening is a science. If you are expected to believe, and will be cast out if you don't, that is what we all know it is.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:08 PM (hku12)

158 Injunction needs to be filed code 183-1-14-0.8-.14 was BROKEN

But it won't be

Posted by: It's me donna at December 05, 2020 12:03 PM (Zmnko)

Who knew that Jeff Sessions was going to be the role model for the judicial system?

Posted by: Commissar-Elect Hrothgar - I Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at December 05, 2020 12:08 PM (87oRe)

159 I'm in the market for an electric heater for my garage. I'm not looking to heat the whole space, just the space I occupy while at my workbench. It's where I go to have some Bourbon and a cigar in the evenings.

Any suggestions?

FYI: I do have a kerosene heater but it's a pain the ass to deal with, and there are mucho flammable liquids and "stuff" out there, so open flames are a no-no.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at December 05, 2020 12:09 PM (3H9h1)

160
Excuse me for going on and on about our girl, but especially nowadays even a little bit of cheer, the product of high standards and meticulous preparation, might be welcome.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:09 PM (mht8P)

161 My hood is very festive this year. Lots of lights some houses all out approaching Grizwold level stuff. They must be happy Biden won I guess?

Posted by: Asshoes at December 05, 2020 12:09 PM (22mNy)

162 Guise, Kelly Loeffler is a "political outsider"

LMFAO!

Posted by: bat nationalist

Political insider and insider stock trader. Just like Perdue.

Posted by: Just another moron at December 05, 2020 12:09 PM (4GPTl)

163 >>But it won't be

Why not? They could just add it to the lawsuit Team Trump didn't file yesterday in Georgia.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 12:09 PM (ZLI7S)

164 Speaking of Vlad
Witch trials (Burning at the Stake)> Vlad (impaling)> Frog Revolution (Guillotine)
Because
A Hot Steak is always better than a cold steak or cold chop.
I'll be here all week , have the veal (hot of course).

Posted by: The Walking Dude at December 05, 2020 12:10 PM (cCxiu)

165 Excuse me for going on and on about our girl, but especially nowadays even a little bit of cheer, the product of high standards and meticulous preparation, might be welcome.

And it is... Keep us informed

Posted by: It's me donna at December 05, 2020 12:10 PM (Zmnko)

166 Best of Breed for Delilah this morning. I'm a little surprised because the judge and Her Majesty don't like each other much. But Lila had a professional handler.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:01 PM (mht8P)

Awesome! Congrats! And even better your little Duchess didn't let that jerk judge ruffle her. Very professional.

So, ribeye reward?

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:10 PM (L8ADy)

167
BREAKING: DeKalb County Cannot Find or are they hiding Chain of Custody Records for Absentee Ballots
Dekalb? LOL Those records are ashes. Decatur (aka 'Dickhater') and the area around Emory University are in Dekalb and are moneyed blue shitholes.

Dekalb is the Atlanta county that is so corrupt that their public officials take turns being indicted every few months or so.

Vernon Jones should be all over that shit. He was Dekalb CEO for years.

Vernon spoke up for Loeffler and Perdue at the Alpharetta presser and Lin Wood contradicted him politely.

Interesting. Your thoughts, Vernon?

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 12:10 PM (Y8GVo)

168 128
And they don't even have to worry about reelection. One of them retired and the other was (allegedly) defeated this last month.

=====

kallisto, I thought you were talking about the IL DeKalb county --
far collar county around Cook and fallen to the blue along with every
other attempt at a speed regulator.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2020 12:02 PM (MIKMs)
No I am in PA which is blessed with Patriot Doug Mastriano but not all the GOPes are alpha males. Actually some female GOP reps signed off on the letter so that goes to show you that the males who did not are beta cucks.
But I'm still going to call my reps about this travesty of them being AWOL

Posted by: kallisto at December 05, 2020 12:11 PM (DJFLF)

169
Why not? They could just add it to the lawsuit Team Trump didn't file yesterday in Georgia.

Just seems the Courts haven't been Our Friends in this... So far

Posted by: It's me donna at December 05, 2020 12:11 PM (Zmnko)

170 Thank you for that Dueling Jingle Bells video, KT. I was at that concert. Those guys are great. We go every year and take my parents, which is one of the high points of Christmas for all of us. No concert this year, alas.

But!

Last year's full concert is on Youtube, and if you want to feel better for 80 minutes, watch this:

https://youtu.be/dq-w-VTly-4

Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2020 12:11 PM (/669Q)

171 hmmm...

https://twitter.com/Jkylebass/
status/1335230447085871104

The Chinese have recently purchased over 180,000 acres of Texas ranch land near the runway of the US's largest pilot training base for the Air Force. Standing at the their front gate on a recent reconnaissance trip, I couldn't believe we allowed these purchases under CFIUS. 1/3 cont..

Posted by: bat nationalist at December 05, 2020 12:11 PM (ZQ/FE)

172 Asshoes, maybe, or maybe they are like "hell no, I'm not going to let commie grinches steal my Christmas"

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 05, 2020 12:12 PM (Aashi)

173 Congrats, Hadrian!
hearing about Delilah's adventures always cheers me up too.
Please always be chatty about your lovely Borzois.

Posted by: vmom Critucal Snark Theorist at December 05, 2020 12:12 PM (nUhF0)

174 Instead of "halo" pics, we now have elf pics. I'm not creative. I'm sure someone here can put this to good use. Besides reading the article, enjoy the cover photo:
https://tinyurl.com/bidenelf

Posted by: Biden's Dog at December 05, 2020 12:12 PM (pP5cE)

175 Excuse me for going on and on about our girl, but especially nowadays
even a little bit of cheer, the product of high standards and meticulous
preparation, might be welcome.

Joy is even more contagious than COVID and quite a bit better for those around you. Please do your best to be a super spreader.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at December 05, 2020 12:12 PM (SchxB)

176 With modern tight supply chains, cities have about 2 days worth of food on hand.

Lights go out? and most do not even have any idea of what to do.

Cities are death traps.
Posted by: Romeo13

When the last bad derecho hit, power was out over a wide area for 6 days. Here in the 'burbs, many people that could afford it tried to get into hotels, nearer the city.

Uh, guess what dumbasses, most hotels/motels don't have UPSs and everything was closed. The smarter ones drove far out to more rural areas where the lights were on.

Most people are sheep, I'm afraid.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 05, 2020 12:12 PM (Rvt88)

177 >> I'm in the market for an electric heater for my garage. I'm not looking to heat the whole space, just the space I occupy while at my workbench. I

we use Lasko tower ones in the garage gym

they work good

can pick them up at Home Depot or Bed Bath Beyond

$40 or $50

Posted by: will choose a nic later at December 05, 2020 12:13 PM (GIeIM)

178 So much to do in Seattle.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2020 12:13 PM (d1uFV)

179 Best of Breed for Delilah this morning. I'm a little surprised because the judge and Her Majesty don't like each other much. But Lila had a professional handler.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:01 PM (mht8P)
------

That's great! Especially since you said yesterday or the day before that you weren't expecting anything out of this show. Good for you and Her Majesty and the lovely Delilah.

Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2020 12:13 PM (/669Q)

180 172

My neighbors are very supportive of commies unfortunately. In this case it is a celebration. Also a lot of houses with flags flying since the election, and conversely the couple of houses that had flags are no longer up.

Posted by: Asshoes at December 05, 2020 12:14 PM (22mNy)

181 I just took the word "they" as pretty much everybody.

I'm not talking about individuals, I mean all the institutions, all the groupings, all of society.

We operate as if everything just keeps on keeping on. Which it does... until it doesn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:00 PM (hku12)

Institutions are made of people.

People are made of meat.

So now the just-in-time food shipping problem for the cities is solved.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 05, 2020 12:08 PM (EGyGV)

Sure, why not. There are rumblings of the push to get people to eat bugs. Not surprisingly, part of the argument FOR is that those of us who won't even consider it are rayciss.

So yeah, once the hunger question becomes critical (for the rabble below, not for the Elites in the tower... or the front of the train... pick your movie metaphor), process, package and sell the excess protein packages encased in manflesh, hanging on manbones.

Problem solved.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:14 PM (hku12)

182 >>Just seems the Courts haven't been Our Friends in this... So far

Some are, some aren't.

@KMCRadio

DOMINION:

Forensic audits have been ordered of
@dominionvoting
machines in GA, MI, & AZ.

I'm pretty interested to see what was going on inside those Dominion machines.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 12:14 PM (ZLI7S)

183 I'm pretty interested to see what was going on inside those Dominion machines.

So am I

Posted by: It's me donna at December 05, 2020 12:15 PM (Zmnko)

184 143 131 Pretty low, actually. Figure in about 5 minutes on the average to hear a
case and get consultation, then about 10 minutes to get a stake out of
the stack, securely plant it, then impale the wretch upon it. Stakes
were cheap, since wood was plentiful. And when there is but one
punishment for crime, justice is swift and merciless and lasting.
Romanian nobles didn't love the Impaler, but the Romanian peasants
approved of his rough justice applied to everyone equally and revered
his memory.

I've always, well not always but sometimes, wondered how the impaling worked. Was the miscreant impaled through the chest, the back, or up the ass?
Actually I rarely wonder about it, but I have.
--------
I forgot to mention the part where Dracula would sometimes confiscate the property of the deceased and retain or re-apportion it as he saw fit. Usually it would be retained to the family of the guilty with a warning not to offend again, but many German burghers who felt that pre-existing agreements and customs exempted them from paying taxes ended up paying an involuntary death tax of all their goods to Dracula's treasury. (Hmm, maybe Vlad the Impaler was a social justice kind of guy after all.)

Anyway, here is the People's Encyclopedia text on penal impalement. Do not read before or during meals. Vlad gets his own paragraph.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impalement

Posted by: exdem13 at December 05, 2020 12:15 PM (W+kMI)

185 Forensic audits have been ordered of

@dominionvoting

machines in GA, MI, AZ.

I'm pretty interested to see what was going on inside those Dominion machines.

Guess we'll find out what those "dire consequences" of not resetting the Georgia machines actually are.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at December 05, 2020 12:16 PM (SchxB)

186 We don't have many homeless folks around here. We have some, but not many. Being in Colorado, the stoners often show up when the weather is nice, and do what they do.

This is California's curse: the weather is always nice, and so it was predestined to be a magnet for vagrants. But it was not predestined that we would have idiotic politicians who would chum the waters for vagrants. And vagrants are ALL OVER THE PLACE now. We've also recently had four murders in our quiet little burg, thanks to said vagrants. Meanwhile, the burg is building two housing developments for the mentally ill and the drug-addicted (with no requirements of sobriety whatsoever), one near an elementary school, that are half a dozen blocks from a beautiful beach that has been featured in movies.

Yeah, that'll discourage more vagrants coming here.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:16 PM (tW3KO)

187 Twatter banned @SgtMal Thursday evening, for posting uncomfortable videos of GA officials loading PC's onto shredding trucks, UPS loading ballots, etc.

You know, I went over twatter's TOS, and just don't see "True things we don't like, and don't want you to see" in there. I seriously hope Trump has a plan for these traitorous scum. I think twatter's new HQ should be in the CCP, along with FB. @Jack would love to spend the rest of his life in the remote Himalayas, contemplating his ~~chains~~ naval.

Goolag stays here, they know/have too much. We just bust them into a million tiny pieces.

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:16 PM (L8ADy)

188 Really enjoyed the dueling themes video. Thanks.

Now I know I am going to get blasted, but Lt Kije is part of my Christmas. I love it and after Epiphany kind of put it away, but I really enjoy the heck out of it in winter.

Hmmmm, the 'fake' theme seems particularly relevant . . .

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2020 12:16 PM (MIKMs)

189
We have a well, generators and a natural gas pipeline running across our property.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:16 PM (mht8P)

190 I've always, well not always but sometimes, wondered how the impaling worked. Was the miscreant impaled through the chest, the back, or up the ass?
Actually I rarely wonder about it, but I have.

Short answer: up the ass. With an intentionally blunt stake, which was then set in a hole in the ground, so the miscreant's weight would drive it up through him. In the nicest way possible, of course.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:17 PM (tW3KO)

191 78 I think commenter Adriane has that market cornered.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 05, 2020 11:31 AM (t+qrx)

whaaat?
This is critical snark appropriation!
I demand reparations!

I hereby establish the Snark Autonomous Zone in this comment.
Posted by: vmom Critucal Snark Theorist at December 05, 2020 11:48 AM (nUhF0)

This idea of autonomous zones has potential. The left may regret introducing this idea into the mainstream.

Imagine a state or a region or groups of people declaring themselves autonomous.

Hmmmm.

Posted by: Justsayin' at December 05, 2020 12:17 PM (Fs5vw)

192 Last year's full concert is on Youtube, and if you want to feel better for 80 minutes, watch this:

https://youtu.be/dq-w-VTly-4
Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2020 12:11 PM (/669Q)

Thanks bluebell, I'm gonna watch that later today.

Posted by: spypeach at December 05, 2020 12:18 PM (Up/Jb)

193 I'm pretty interested to see what was going on inside those Dominion machines.

So am I

The source code will be interesting to look at but I have no doubt that like the Dekalb records, the audit logs and system log rolled off long ago or were wiped/overwritten/Bleachbitted.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 12:18 PM (Y8GVo)

194 159 I'm in the market for an electric heater for my garage. I'm not looking to heat the whole space, just the space I occupy while at my workbench. It's where I go to have some Bourbon and a cigar in the evenings.

Any suggestions?

FYI: I do have a kerosene heater but it's a pain the ass to deal with, and there are mucho flammable liquids and "stuff" out there, so open flames are a no-no.
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at December 05, 2020 12:09 PM (3H9h1)
----
I'd go with a radiant heater on top of a 100 gallon propane tank, BUT having to use electric in barns, the best kind of heater was the ones with the glass like tubes, and put out radiant heat.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at December 05, 2020 12:18 PM (buTO7)

195 IBM sold off their their PC division to Lenovo. They sold their X86 server division to Lenovo, too.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at December 05, 2020 12:00 PM (SchxB)

A lot of people are pissed off about this. Especially since you can have a superior Asus from Taiwan for the same cost, probably a bit less. Acer is also a decent choice.

No doubt there's a kickback rattling around in there, along with other potential "issues".
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:08 PM (L8ADy)

I guess I missed it, what's the problem with Lenovo computers now? I have one upstairs, been running for 7-8 years now. Windoze 8. I didn't do the "upgrade" to 10.

Is Chi Nah gonna git me or something?

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:18 PM (hku12)

196 The thing that makes me uncomfortable about all this
is I find myself wondering if maybe Bill and Malandra Gates are onto
something.

Maybe it's time to cull the herd.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 11:49 AM (hku12)

Just fucking NO. The herd does not need culled (except for maybe people like Gates and Soros who think their money gives them the right to play God).
Poor people are not the problem. Black people as a group are not the problem. Rich white liberals excusing bad behavior and not equally applying the laws to criminals is the problem. And it is just as much a problem when Jameel in the ghetto gets away with armed robbery as when Hillary gets away with literal treason.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 12:18 PM (946rW)

197 there's an anime on and I happened to glance up to read this great quote:

"Please stop giving us excuses and prepare to prove yourself with maximum flamboyance."

Posted by: vmom Critucal Snark Theorist at December 05, 2020 12:19 PM (nUhF0)

198 For Christmas music I really like Pentatonix...Especially "Mary did you know."

Posted by: It's me donna at December 05, 2020 12:20 PM (Zmnko)

199 Yeah, that'll discourage more vagrants coming here.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:16 PM (tW3KO)

Fucking San Jose is now engulfing my little town, because with the coof they don't need to office as much, so cheaper homes (not for long) and more rural environment (not for long) are attractive. Of course, along with the latte sipping Tesla driving box wine moms comes the bums and the gang-bangers.

Now there's encampments all along the freeway, and outskirts of larger parking lots. Graffiti everywhere. A local market used to have picnic tables out front. They had to remove them (before the coof) because the homeless were using them for roofs, and a good place to shoot up in the daytime.

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:20 PM (L8ADy)

200 Forensic audits have been ordered of

@dominionvoting

machines in GA, MI, AZ.

My guess is the first thing they did was wipe (with a cloth) those machines as soon as the deed was done. There will be nothing left to find.

Posted by: spypeach at December 05, 2020 12:20 PM (Up/Jb)

201 111
Does Lenovo ship hardware with malware pre-installed?
YES.
Also didn't IBM buy Lenovo a decade or so ago? I'd be looking hard at malware on those too.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at December 05, 2020 11:56 AM (cCxiu)

IBM had lines of PCs and laptops that they made in China, and then, they ultimately sold that business to China, which was rebranded as Lenovo.

Posted by: flounder at December 05, 2020 12:21 PM (KnJdm)

202 I'm in the market for an electric heater for my garage. I'm not looking to heat the whole space, just the space I occupy while at my workbench. It's where I go to have some Bourbon and a cigar in the evenings.

Any suggestions?

FYI: I do have a kerosene heater but it's a pain the ass to deal with, and there are mucho flammable liquids and "stuff" out there, so open flames are a no-no.
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at December 05, 2020 12:09 PM (3H9h1)
----
I'd go with a radiant heater on top of a 100 gallon propane tank, BUT having to use electric in barns, the best kind of heater was the ones with the glass like tubes, and put out radiant heat.
Posted by: Jimco Industries at December 05, 2020 12:18 PM (buTO7)

I always forget what they're called, but there are the heaters that don't radiate heat, but do a simple molecular heating, so surfaces stay relatively warm... apparently the type of heat that gets used in large open spaces that one doesn't have anywhere near the capacity to try to heat the whole damn place.

Someone here knows what I'm talking about, and there are small cheap units one can buy for spaces like a home garage.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:21 PM (hku12)

203
My guess is the first thing they did was wipe (with a cloth) those machines as soon as the deed was done. There will be nothing left to find.

That's a possibility as it has been so long since the "election."

Posted by: It's me donna at December 05, 2020 12:22 PM (Zmnko)

204 In case you were wondering about the topic of tonight's Valdosta rally:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

18m
I will easily and quickly win Georgia if Governor @BrianKempGA or the Secretary of State permit a simple signature verification. Has not been done and will show large scale discrepancies. Why are these two "Republicans" saying no? If we win Georgia, everything else falls in place!

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 12:22 PM (Y8GVo)

205 Thanks bluebell, I'm gonna watch that later today.
Posted by: spypeach at December 05, 2020 12:18 PM (Up/Jb)
------

Let me know if you make it through O Holy Night without tearing up. If so, you're made of stronger stuff than I

Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2020 12:23 PM (/669Q)

206 Marxism is scientific, right? If, as a scientist, I had a hypothesis and tried to test it numerous times in a variety of ways, I'd conclude my hypothesis was wrong. Marxists never come to the same conclusion, even after a century of catastrophic failure in societies around the world.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:05 PM (mht8P)

It's nothing of the kind. Marx, who knew precisely squat about science, called it "scientific socialism" to distinguish his ravings from what he called "utopian socialism," i.e., the shit that had been tried and had failed dismally heretofore. He appended "scientific" because science was in full blossom at the time (mid- to late-19th century), so he was arrogating to his nonsense some of the aura of science. Kinda like Reds do today ("believe the science!").

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:23 PM (tW3KO)

207
"They" are the people that Paglia spends 2 years flamethrowing in her writing and then votes for them anyway, because ewww, Republicans have cooties.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur

Just like Alan Dershowitz.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 05, 2020 12:24 PM (63Dwl)

208 198
For Christmas music I really like Pentatonix...Especially "Mary did you know."

Posted by: It's me donna at December 05, 2020 12:20 PM (Zmnko)

Wife does, too. I can only take so much of it, same as with TSO.

Sometimes, old ways ARE best.

Posted by: flounder at December 05, 2020 12:24 PM (KnJdm)

209 Wife does, too. I can only take so much of it, same as with TSO.

I like TSO also

Posted by: It's me donna at December 05, 2020 12:24 PM (Zmnko)

210 My guess is the first thing they did was wipe (with a
cloth) those machines as soon as the deed was done. There will be
nothing left to find.

Posted by: spypeach

Which is why I was texting, emailing and calling my GA senators and governor and election officials telling them to image the damn things since November 6th.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 12:25 PM (Y8GVo)

211 Just got back home!
Here is the title of the translation of Dante I am reading
The Inferno translated by John Ciardi

Posted by: Jmel at December 05, 2020 12:25 PM (bVhJi)

212 >>The source code will be interesting to look at but I have no doubt that like the Dekalb records, the audit logs and system log rolled off long ago or were wiped/overwritten/Bleachbitted.

I don't think any of these suits is designed to be a silver bullet for Trump. I think they are trying to make it so abundantly clear to the public that this election was rigged that they can't look away and enough public pressure builds on people like Kemp to finally force signature match audits. From watching the hearings in the contested states this seems to be the thing they fear the most because that will expose massive fraud. They do not want anyone looking at the ballots.

Electing a president is a political exercise not a legal one. The courts probably won't win this for Trump, that's going to be up to us, the people.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 12:25 PM (ZLI7S)

213 I guess I missed it, what's the problem with Lenovo computers now? I have one upstairs, been running for 7-8 years now. Windoze 8. I didn't do the "upgrade" to 10.

Is Chi Nah gonna git me or something?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:18 PM (hku12)

Lenovo purchased IBM's PC division in 2005, their Intel Server Division in 2015ish. For a while, even after the purchase, the quality was extremely high.

But computer years are like dog years, and China is now the enemy for sure. Yeah, I had zero issues purchasing some Chinese made goods a few years ago, but will go out of my way to avoid now. There's better made products out there that aren't from China. Like HP, the newer Lenovo's are loaded with bloatware, and the restore CD's don't allow you to create a "clean" build as it were.

If you had Win 8-8.1 then that already goes back a good long way. But, if you're looking for a new one, there's a lot of great choices from Taiwan. I've had this PC build the longest of any PC I've owned by a longshot (roll my own) and the Asus MB has been awesome.

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:27 PM (L8ADy)

214 Fucking San Jose is now engulfing my little town, because with the coof they don't need to office as much, so cheaper homes (not for long) and more rural environment (not for long) are attractive. Of course, along with the latte sipping Tesla driving box wine moms comes the bums and the gang-bangers.

Now there's encampments all along the freeway, and outskirts of larger parking lots. Graffiti everywhere. A local market used to have picnic tables out front. They had to remove them (before the coof) because the homeless were using them for roofs, and a good place to shoot up in the daytime.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:20 PM (L8ADy)

I hear ya, my brother. We drove into our burg the other day (less than a mile) and saw vagrants pouring out of what used to be a very nice grove next to a lagoon. Very nice, that is, up until the vagrants showed up, and one of them murdered a female hiker two weeks ago. Apart from that, it's a nice place.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:27 PM (tW3KO)

215 If you have a Spotify account, there's a great playlist someone made that's called "Christmas Orchestra." It's all orchestral versions of Christmas songs, both religious and not (listening to Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire at the moment) played by London Symphony Orchestra, City of Prague Philharmonic, etc.

It's beautiful to just put on in the background when you are doing other things.

Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2020 12:27 PM (/669Q)

216 Electing a president is a political exercise not a
legal one. The courts probably won't win this for Trump, that's going to
be up to us, the people.

Posted by: JackStraw

Very good point. And I agree. Trashing the evidence makes them look like the shitheels that they actually are.

Mo Brooks also made this very point about the courts not being the deciding factor on Bannon's War Room.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 12:28 PM (Y8GVo)

217 We don't have many homeless folks around here. We have some, but not many. Being in Colorado, the stoners often show up when the weather is nice, and do what they do.
----------------------------
This is California's curse: the weather is always nice, and so it was predestined to be a magnet for vagrants. But it was not predestined that we would have idiotic politicians who would chum the waters for vagrants. And vagrants are ALL OVER THE PLACE now. We've also recently had four murders in our quiet little burg, thanks to said vagrants. Meanwhile, the burg is building two housing developments for the mentally ill and the drug-addicted (with no requirements of sobriety whatsoever), one near an elementary school, that are half a dozen blocks from a beautiful beach that has been featured in movies.

Yeah, that'll discourage more vagrants coming here.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:16 PM (tW3KO)

This is one of the reasons why it became possible for me to decide to move to Colorado. With Cali legalizing pot, the homeless stoners were going to gravitate there rather than here... many of them at least.

One of the things about homeless shelters and/or residential addict houses, if they are near enough to schools and parks, they can't house sex offenders.

Unless Cali's laws are more forgiving about such things than other states, that is.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:28 PM (hku12)

218 It's nothing of the kind. Marx, who knew precisely squat about science, called it "scientific socialism" to distinguish his ravings from what he called "utopian socialism," i.e., the shit that had been tried and had failed dismally heretofore. He appended "scientific" because science was in full blossom at the time (mid- to late-19th century), so he was arrogating to his nonsense some of the aura of science. Kinda like Reds do today ("believe the science!").
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:23 PM (tW3KO)

Marx has more in common with L. Ron Hubbard than any actual scientist. Fuck, Bill Nye is like Archimedes next to Marx.

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:29 PM (L8ADy)

219 Let me know if you make it through O Holy Night without tearing up. If so, you're made of stronger stuff than I .
Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2020 12:23 PM (/669Q)

I'm sure I won't make it through without crying either, but then I've been so emotional these days, that the simple tilt of my pups head makes me cry, lol.

Posted by: spypeach at December 05, 2020 12:29 PM (Up/Jb)

220 I'm sure I won't make it through without crying either, but then I've been so emotional these days, that the simple tilt of my pups head makes me cry, lol.
Posted by: spypeach at December 05, 2020 12:29 PM (Up/Jb)
-------

In that case, have a box of tissues on your lap. But they will be tears of joy, I promise.

Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2020 12:30 PM (/669Q)

221
I just "inherited" a Lenovo laptop from my son; I think I paid less than $300 for it a couple of years ago

it's a perfectly cromulent little machine

...of course, it's a Linux box, now, so I'm not anticipating any issues with it

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 05, 2020 12:30 PM (DUIap)

222 I guess I missed it, what's the problem with Lenovo computers now? I have one upstairs, been running for 7-8 years now. Windoze 8. I didn't do the "upgrade" to 10.

Is Chi Nah gonna git me or something?
Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:18 PM (hku12)

Lenovo purchased IBM's PC division in 2005, their Intel Server Division in 2015ish. For a while, even after the purchase, the quality was extremely high.

But computer years are like dog years, and China is now the enemy for sure. Yeah, I had zero issues purchasing some Chinese made goods a few years ago, but will go out of my way to avoid now. There's better made products out there that aren't from China. Like HP, the newer Lenovo's are loaded with bloatware, and the restore CD's don't allow you to create a "clean" build as it were.

If you had Win 8-8.1 then that already goes back a good long way. But, if you're looking for a new one, there's a lot of great choices from Taiwan. I've had this PC build the longest of any PC I've owned by a longshot (roll my own) and the Asus MB has been awesome.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:27 PM (L8ADy)

Thank you, I'm not looking to replace my machine now, because it still works, but when the time comes... which probably won't be too far in the future, I will keep this in mind.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:30 PM (hku12)

223 206 It's nothing of the kind. Marx, who knew precisely squat about science, called it "scientific socialism" to distinguish his ravings from what he called "utopian socialism,"

these days, he'd probably call it critical science theory

Posted by: Anachronda at December 05, 2020 12:31 PM (tmNLh)

224 One of the things about homeless shelters and/or residential addict houses, if they are near enough to schools and parks, they can't house sex offenders.

Unless Cali's laws are more forgiving about such things than other states, that is.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:28 PM (hku12)

You're joking, of course. Cali's laws are more forgiving about everything unless you're a taxpayer.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:32 PM (tW3KO)

225 I've had this PC build the longest of any PC I've owned by a longshot (roll my own) and the Asus MB has been awesome.

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:27 PM (L8ADy)

Just switched off my old 10 year build (honest 10 years, had 8 GB RAM back in 2009). It was an ASUS MB. This one, I went with Gigabyte, and I couldn't be more pleased.

Posted by: flounder at December 05, 2020 12:32 PM (KnJdm)

226 Now that I have dispensed all my Christmas music suggestions, lol, I am going to clean my kitchen and then make some Christmas cookie dough and then, probably, have to clean my kitchen again. Peace to all.

Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2020 12:32 PM (/669Q)

227 I'm pretty interested to see what was going on inside those Dominion machines.

Let's ask Brian!

Posted by: Wi Tu Lo and Sum Ting Wong at December 05, 2020 12:33 PM (W4eKo)

228 Thank you, I'm not looking to replace my machine now, because it still works, but when the time comes... which probably won't be too far in the future, I will keep this in mind.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:30 PM (hku12)

I'm looking into building my own computer, when this one gives up the ghost, and installing Linux on it. To hell with Windoze.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:33 PM (tW3KO)

229 My small city has homeless people now too which would have been unheard of 5 years ago. 20 years ago it was a sleepy town nobody knew about. Then it was discovered as a cool place to live and libs started moving in. Now house prices are to the point locals who grew up here cannot afford to live here. And an added bonus is gangs are showing up too. Yeay!!

And our corrupt as fuck mayor and city council just keep pushing for more and more expansion to satisfy their developer masters.

Posted by: Asshoes at December 05, 2020 12:33 PM (22mNy)

230 Horowitz at Frontpagemag.com had a great article ... one quote:

"When the movement succeeded in forcing America's withdrawal from Indo-China, the Communists proceeded to slaughter two and a half million peasants in Cambodia and Vietnam. There wasn't a single demonstration against the slaughter. Not one. I realized then that it was never an 'anti-war' movement. It was an anti-American movement."

imo this applies to the whole Woke movement. There may be many/mostly sincere adherents (though the baddest guys are funded terrorists) ... the BigMoney funding is part of overthrowing Liberty, which by way of an informed public, can throw the bastards out.

Those on the left (even many Bernie Bots) rejected Biden on many counts, many voted Trump. That is what makes The Steal so egregious. We the People were actually uniting around America First (not America Alone) and rejecting the BLM/Antifa totalitarianism. So they just stepped in and changed the vote, and all media even now demands we accept their theft.

Their critical race/legal theories are mostly Orwellian, based in Hate Weeks and emotional control, not logical debate. "Disparate Impact" is an insane way to address different crime rates across different races/classes/cultures, yet Holder and company demanded it be enforced. When will the Race Card finally lose its power?

Posted by: illiniwek at December 05, 2020 12:33 PM (Cus5s)

231 We have nationally divorced as a culture.

It's just a matter of time before the rest of our country catches up.

Posted by: pmurT at December 05, 2020 12:33 PM (ojwvu)

232
It's nothing of the kind. Marx, who knew precisely squat about science, called it "scientific socialism" to distinguish his ravings from what he called "utopian socialism," i.e., the shit that had been tried and had failed dismally heretofore. He appended "scientific" because science was in full blossom at the time (mid- to late-19th century), so he was arrogating to his nonsense some of the aura of science. Kinda like Reds do today ("believe the science!").
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:23 PM (tW3KO)

Marx has more in common with L. Ron Hubbard than any actual scientist. Fuck, Bill Nye is like Archimedes next to Marx.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:29 PM (L8ADy)

Marx was notorious for having an extremely casual attitude towards personal hygiene. Meaning, he reeked of BO. At the same time, he suffered greatly from various skin diseases and painful rashes. The great sciencey guy never put two and two together.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 05, 2020 12:34 PM (EGyGV)

233 194 Right off top of my head probably the best idea so far for quick space heater in a fairly open space

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 12:35 PM (9sWOw)

234 I'm looking into building my own computer, when this one gives up the ghost, and installing Linux on it. To hell with Windoze.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:33 PM (tW3KO)

Do it. I have no regrets.

Posted by: flounder at December 05, 2020 12:35 PM (KnJdm)

235 >I'm looking into building my own computer, when this one gives up the ghost, and installing Linux on it. To hell with Windoze.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:33 PM (tW3KO)

DOO EEETT

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 05, 2020 12:35 PM (L106N)

236 Marx has more in common with L. Ron Hubbard than any actual scientist. Fuck, Bill Nye is like Archimedes next to Marx.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:29 PM (L8ADy)

An excellent point. When I read Marx, I couldn't believe anyone took him seriously. He built an elaborate intellectual construct with all the complications and validity of astrology.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:35 PM (tW3KO)

237 I like Pentatonix, but the lack of bass just makes it a meh for anything longer than one song.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2020 12:36 PM (MIKMs)

238 Maybe it's time to cull the herd.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 11:49 AM (hku12)

Just fucking NO. The herd does not need culled (except for maybe people like Gates and Soros who think their money gives them the right to play God).
Poor people are not the problem. Black people as a group are not the problem. Rich white liberals excusing bad behavior and not equally applying the laws to criminals is the problem. And it is just as much a problem when Jameel in the ghetto gets away with armed robbery as when Hillary gets away with literal treason.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 12:18 PM (946rW)

I realize this is an emotional issue for many, and any suggestion that the proponents of mass sterilizations and all that just sound like nazi monsters.

So I'm not defending them at all.

What I am saying, and this is actual science, not feel good critical race theory, or even kneejerk "it's all those lefty's fault," is that society's ills are directly caused by... not correlated with, caused by... bad upbringings.

Childhood. That's when the seeds are sewn, and no amount of trying to fix the problem after the fact is going to change the balance of damn near every social ill one can think of.

So. I don't have the solution. Nobody does. And it's inhumane to talk about killing off billions of people, but the sad unavoidable truth is, as long as ill equipped people keep making babies, they're going to keep making ill equipped people. And in societies where the otherwise healthy folks are unwilling to bring offspring into this world? The numbers are tilting, to the point where it's only a matter of time.

Hell, time may be up, really. 2020 was a solid clue. Let's see what 2021 brings!

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:36 PM (hku12)

239 203
My guess is the first thing they did was wipe (with a cloth) those machines as soon as the deed was done. There will be nothing left to find.

That's a possibility as it has been so long since the "election."
Posted by: It's me donna at December 05, 2020 12:22 PM (Zmnko)

Does destruction of codes leave any digital trails at all? Or is it just gone? Seems like missing code would be a tell in itself.

Posted by: Justsayin' at December 05, 2020 12:36 PM (Fs5vw)

240 235
>I'm looking into building my own computer, when this one gives up
the ghost, and installing Linux on it. To hell with Windoze.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:33 PM (tW3KO)

DOO EEETT

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 05, 2020 12:35 PM (L106N)

Actually, you could buy and install an SSD and boot Linux on it along side your current installation and see an immediate performance boost.

Posted by: flounder at December 05, 2020 12:37 PM (KnJdm)

241 Posted by: flounder at December 05, 2020 12:35 PM (KnJdm)

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 05, 2020 12:35 PM (L106N)

I have every intention of doing it! Maybe building one each for my wife and kids, too.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:37 PM (tW3KO)

242 I'd add this to the playlist
https://youtu.be/eQN9oCTHtSc
For Unto Us a Child Is Born, from Messiah - Mormon Tabernacle Choir

Posted by: Jimco Industries at December 05, 2020 12:37 PM (buTO7)

243 If you don't want to go to Twitter to watch Giuliani make mincemeat of some mincing mask-packing child in the Michigan hearings (from the sidebar) here's the video on Youtube:

https://tinyurl.com/y3f9lkxk

And unlike usually when someone says "destroyed" ... yeah, Giuliani took this punk behind the woodshed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 05, 2020 12:37 PM (KZzsI)

244 Actually, you could buy and install an SSD and boot Linux on it along side your current installation and see an immediate performance boost.
Posted by: flounder at December 05, 2020 12:37 PM (KnJdm)

Now there's an interesting suggestion. Thanks!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:37 PM (tW3KO)

245 Wow. Just. . . wow.

Reminds me of VDH's "tow Californias" series a decade ago where he described how laws and regulations were only expected/prosecuted for one set of Californians: the ones who pay taxes, have a stable job, will pay fines, get permits, get insurance, show up in court -- i.e. those who have something to lose (a reputation, job, a family to support). The other California is the unstable, the illegal immigrant, the transitory. The state gave up bothering to attempt to enforce the laws, regulations (i.e. business requirements, building code), because they skip out on fines and court dates, don't bother getting insurance, will disappear if pursued, etc.,

This was mostly unofficial, though, except in cases where the state bothered to say out loud that they wouldn't be impounding cars from illegals who got DUIs because it would harm the poor undocumented.

But now we're at a point where they want to make it legal, put it all out there that people who respect laws will have them applied to them good and hard, and those who don't needn't worry -- they're exempt.

Again: wow.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 12:37 PM (bDqIh)

246 Trump's play is to win process arguments in the courts. e.g votes should be thrown out because they didn't comply with state laws. To have Trump win on technicalities courts need "massive fraud" as cover. And people need to get noisy. There isn't enough time to prove fraud.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 05, 2020 12:37 PM (9TdxA)

247 ust switched off my old 10 year build (honest 10 years, had 8 GB RAM back in 2009). It was an ASUS MB. This one, I went with Gigabyte, and I couldn't be more pleased.
Posted by: flounder

That's nice. What's your motherboard bus speed?

Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 05, 2020 12:37 PM (jQ7nr)

248 Electing a president is a political exercise not a
legal one. The courts probably won't win this for Trump, that's going to
be up to us, the people.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 12:25 PM (ZLI7S)
We've been too quiet in PA. Maybe the red counties are agitating but here in SEPA it's business as usual waiting for the Bidet and Co. slaughterhouse

Posted by: kallisto at December 05, 2020 12:38 PM (DJFLF)

249 Got involved with a Twitter spat about the homeless in Portland. Someone complained about the tents next to the freeway and how trash gets down on the road. Someone else said there aren't very many of them, it's overblown and Portland is a wonderful town. So I told about test driving my car at Jantzen Beach and winding up at a homeless community complete with cops checking them out. I have no sympathy for them.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at December 05, 2020 12:38 PM (YynYJ)

250 Does destruction of codes leave any digital
trails at all? Or is it just gone? Seems like missing code would be a
tell in itself.

Posted by: Justsayin' at December 05, 2020 12:36 PM (Fs5vw)

Depends on what they did to it. If competent, you would reimage the drive clean (perhaps with a fraud free version of your software), after doing something like bleachbitting the drive.

Posted by: flounder at December 05, 2020 12:38 PM (KnJdm)

251 Some are, some aren't.

@KMCRadio

DOMINION:

Forensic audits have been ordered of

@dominionvoting

machines in GA, MI, AZ.

I'm pretty interested to see what was going on inside those Dominion machines.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 12:14 PM (ZLI7S)

Dominion Employee of the Year Brian to explain it's a perfectly legit in 3...2...

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2020 12:38 PM (Adjue)

252 Just got back home!
Here is the title of the translation of Dante I am reading
The Inferno translated by John Ciardi
Posted by: Jmel at December 05, 2020 12:25 PM (bVhJi)

Have his translation of The Divine Comedy, I liked it.

Posted by: Gaelic Girl's Irish Democracy at December 05, 2020 12:38 PM (5FCda)

253 What version of Linux do you use?

I tried dual-booting Linux Mint, but found it didn't play well. It changed and screwed up, inter alia, the connection to my router, and necessitated an afternoon's work changing everything back.

I rather like Linux Ubuntu, which I tried and which created no such problems.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:39 PM (tW3KO)

254 Critical Strings Theory says everybody wins in Dueling Jingle Bells. That was great.

Posted by: t-bird at December 05, 2020 12:39 PM (B2mhs)

255 Good afternoon, Horde.

Posted by: Ladyl at December 05, 2020 12:40 PM (TdMsT)

256 Horowitz at Frontpagemag.com had a great article ... one quote:

"When
the movement succeeded in forcing America's withdrawal from Indo-China,
the Communists proceeded to slaughter two and a half million peasants
in Cambodia and Vietnam. There wasn't a single demonstration against the
slaughter. Not one. I realized then that it was never an 'anti-war'
movement. It was an anti-American movement."

Bingo! And funded by the Kremlin.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2020 12:40 PM (Adjue)

257 Meanwhile, the burg is building two housing developments for the mentally ill and the drug-addicted (with no requirements of sobriety whatsoever), one near an elementary school, that are half a dozen blocks from a beautiful beach that has been featured in movies.

Yeah, that'll discourage more vagrants coming here.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:16 PM (tW3KO)

About 10-12 years ago, our little town decided to build a "home" for the day laborers to stay in before and after standing in front of the A Tool Shed across the street waiting for a white pickup truck to take them away (the Home Depot had enough and has a "no loitering" that they rigorously enforce now). They spent $2M for a 2 story home that had a lobby area, kitchen, and dorm type beds upstairs.

Needless to say, they absolutely trashed the place in a matter of months, and the city razed it after a little over a year.

Bonus content:
This is the same city that insisted that all new developments at the time had BMR (below market rate) homes on every single block. Of course, the rules they have in place to keep this from being exploited are ignored. For instance, the guy on the corner where my old house is (and ex lives) came from a wealthy hotel family. The whole family is in on the business. But, he doesn't like to work. At all. So, with nearly no income, he manages to get a BMR home (basically, a then $700k home for about $40k). This allows him and his kids to have BMW's, MB's, a boat, a huge assortment of dirt/street bikes, ATV's, etc. The only catch with these homes is you can't sell them for the duration of the mortgage. Wow. Painful. They're also exempt from the HOA rules, so they can do whatever the fuck they want. The idea was if they did this, they'd instill a sense of pride and ownership, instead of putting them all in a single development.

Of course, the end result is dragging down everybody else's property values. Selling drugs on the corner, domestic abuse, cops there to arrest the kids about once a week... This is typical. Some BMR's rent out their homes (against the rules) and make FAR more than the mortgage they pay. Or, like our guy, rent out a room. There's a few BMR families that actually raise themselves up and move, at which point the home is no longer a BMR (failed experiment that I get to live with). But mostly, a bunch of deadbeats with homes they don't deserve, all funded by us, the taxpayer.

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:40 PM (L8ADy)

258 Someone else said there aren't very many of them, it's overblown and Portland is a wonderful town. So I told about test driving my car at Jantzen Beach and winding up at a homeless community complete with cops checking them out. I have no sympathy for them.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at December 05, 2020 12:38 PM (YynYJ)

I've been assured that Portland's problems, such as they are, are the result of right-wing a-holes. Sure.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:41 PM (tW3KO)

259 >>Does destruction of codes leave any digital trails at all? Or is it just gone? Seems like missing code would be a tell in itself.

Some of the people who appear to be part of General Mike Flynn's digital army seem to think they can retrieve a lot of stuff even if the machines have been wiped. Hard to tell for sure but I think most if not all of them are ex-military intel.

Matt Gaetz just dropped this tweet a little while ago.

>>@mattgaetz

>>Erik Prince is an American Patriot!

Seems like there might be things going on behind the scenes we aren't aware of. I'm really looking forward to DNI Ratcliffe's report.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)

260 It's nothing of the kind. Marx, who knew precisely squat about science, called it "scientific socialism" to distinguish his ravings from what he called "utopian socialism," i.e., the shit that had been tried and had failed dismally heretofore. He appended "scientific" because science was in full blossom at the time (mid- to late-19th century), so he was arrogating to his nonsense some of the aura of science. Kinda like Reds do today ("believe the science!").
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:23 PM (tW3KO)

Marx has more in common with L. Ron Hubbard than any actual scientist. Fuck, Bill Nye is like Archimedes next to Marx.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:29 PM (L8ADy)

Marx was notorious for having an extremely casual attitude towards personal hygiene. Meaning, he reeked of BO. At the same time, he suffered greatly from various skin diseases and painful rashes. The great sciencey guy never put two and two together.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 05, 2020 12:34 PM (EGyGV)

That right there is more real education than four years in any college outside the hard sciences, assuming those haven't been cornholed into oblivion.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 05, 2020 12:41 PM (y7DUB)

261
Moron classical music moment

The Persian March by Johann Strauss, Jr.

The New Scarlatti Orchestra conducted by Beatrice Venezi

https://youtu.be/rC8FPvpmtT4

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:41 PM (mht8P)

262 "So much of left wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who do not even know that fire is hot."

George Orwell.

Posted by: Ordinary American at December 05, 2020 12:41 PM (H8QX8)

263
I realize this is an emotional issue for many,
and any suggestion that the proponents of mass sterilizations and all
that just sound like nazi monsters.

So I'm not defending them at all.

What I am saying, and this is actual science, not feel good critical
race theory, or even kneejerk "it's all those lefty's fault," is that
society's ills are directly caused by... not correlated with, caused
by... bad upbringings.

Childhood. That's when the seeds are sewn, and no amount of trying
to fix the problem after the fact is going to change the balance of damn
near every social ill one can think of.

So. I don't have the solution. Nobody does. And it's inhumane to
talk about killing off billions of people, but the sad unavoidable truth
is, as long as ill equipped people keep making babies, they're going to
keep making ill equipped people. And in societies where the otherwise
healthy folks are unwilling to bring offspring into this world? The
numbers are tilting, to the point where it's only a matter of time.

Hell, time may be up, really. 2020 was a solid clue. Let's see what 2021 brings!

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:36 PM (hku12)

I agree that upbringing... particularly fatherlessness... is the cause of much of societies ills. No-fault divorce needs to be banned and we need to bring back good old social shaming that made people not want to have children out of wedlock.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 12:41 PM (946rW)

264 That's nice. What's your motherboard bus speed?

Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 05, 2020 12:37 PM (jQ7nr)

Old one? Near top of the line DDR3 in 2009. I'd have to boot it up to check again. It ran Win 7 fine. I didn't want to do Win 10. So I switched to Linux Mint on this new machine, with more memory than I car to admit. It is intended to last another 10 years.

Posted by: flounder at December 05, 2020 12:41 PM (KnJdm)

265 Marx was notorious for having an extremely casual attitude towards
personal hygiene. Meaning, he reeked of BO. At the same time, he
suffered greatly from various skin diseases and painful rashes.

Don't forget the piles. No wonder I was such a miserable son of a bitch.

Posted by: Zombie Karl Marx at December 05, 2020 12:42 PM (W4eKo)

266 245

Adam Carola has been saying this same thing for years as well. He has lived in LA all his life and has seen the place deteriorate in real time.

Posted by: Asshoes at December 05, 2020 12:42 PM (22mNy)

267 >Actually, you could buy and install an SSD and boot Linux on it along side your current installation and see an immediate performance boost.
Posted by: flounder at December 05, 2020 12:37 PM (KnJdm)

True. I used to dual-boot, but now have a dedicated Win 10 box for gaming and the few things that I do which require a program that runs only on Windows. The vast majority of the work that I do is done on my Linux box that has a Ryzen 5 and a NVMe drive. So choice. *chef kiss*

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 05, 2020 12:42 PM (L106N)

268 One thing that immigrants understand is the family as an economic unit. Having the earning power of the family can lift up individuals, who lift up other family members. If you are going from baby momma to baby momma, you'll never see that.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at December 05, 2020 12:43 PM (YynYJ)

269 >>I'm pretty interested to see what was going on inside those Dominion machines.

You think those will be checked out?
I expect the warehouses to mysteriously burn down.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 12:43 PM (bDqIh)

270 I like Pentatonix, but the lack of bass just makes it a meh for anything longer than one song.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2020 12:36 PM (MIKMs)

I agree totally. Plenty of talent, but it kind of grates after a while.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at December 05, 2020 12:44 PM (x8Wzq)

271 245 Wow. Just. . . wow.

Reminds me of VDH's "tow Californias" series a decade ago where he described how laws and regulations were only expected/prosecuted for one set of Californians: the ones who pay taxes, have a stable job, will pay fines, get permits, get insurance, show up in court -- i.e. those who have something to lose (a reputation, job, a family to support). The other California is the unstable, the illegal immigrant, the transitory. The state gave up bothering to attempt to enforce the laws, regulations (i.e. business requirements, building code), because they skip out on fines and court dates, don't bother getting insurance, will disappear if pursued, etc.,

This was mostly unofficial, though, except in cases where the state bothered to say out loud that they wouldn't be impounding cars from illegals who got DUIs because it would harm the poor undocumented.

But now we're at a point where they want to make it legal, put it all out there that people who respect laws will have them applied to them good and hard, and those who don't needn't worry -- they're exempt.

Again: wow.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 12:37 PM (bDqIh)

Looks like I'll have to pay for an alternate identity.

Posted by: Justsayin' at December 05, 2020 12:44 PM (Fs5vw)

272 Does destruction of codes leave any digital trails at all? Or is it just gone? Seems like missing code would be a tell in itself.

Log files keep a record of activity and they're hard to fuck around with, including adding a record that someone tried fucking with them.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 05, 2020 12:45 PM (y7DUB)

273 An excellent point. When I read Marx, I couldn't believe anyone took him seriously. He built an elaborate intellectual construct with all the complications and validity of astrology.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:35 PM (tW3KO)

You have questions, I have the answers. Call now Mon!

Only $9.99 a minute.....

Posted by: Zombie Miss Cleo at December 05, 2020 12:45 PM (R/m4+)

274 >Got involved with a Twitter spat about the homeless in Portland. Someone complained about the tents next to the freeway and how trash gets down on the road. Someone else said there aren't very many of them, it's overblown and Portland is a wonderful town. So I told about test driving my car at Jantzen Beach and winding up at a homeless community complete with cops checking them out. I have no sympathy for them.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at December 05, 2020 12:38 PM (YynYJ)

Yeah, that person poo-pooing it is lying through their teeth. There are way more tents and a ton more trash on the interstates around downtown Portland than even a year ago.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 05, 2020 12:45 PM (L106N)

275 Old one? Near top of the line DDR3 in 2009. I'd have to boot it up to check again. It ran Win 7 fine. I didn't want to do Win 10. So I switched to Linux Mint on this new machine, with more memory than I car to admit. It is intended to last another 10 years.
Posted by: flounder

Just a sassy comment about bottlenecks in general.

Yeah, i did the same thing and upgraded the hell out of it til one day. Oh well. Reminds of Biden.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 05, 2020 12:45 PM (jQ7nr)

276 Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:40 PM (L8ADy)

That's disgusting. Totally foreseeable, but disgusting, and I feel for you.

I'm writing a non-scientific rant for the HQ on how/why liberals never learn, and seem impervious to the truth. In this case, the truth is that people of shitty character will behave in shitty ways, no matter what their environment may be. Expecting people of shitty character to take on middle-class values by osmosis from living in a middle-class neighborhood is madness. A social form of Gresham's Law most certainly applies.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:45 PM (tW3KO)

277 I like Pentatonix, but the lack of bass just makes it a meh for anything longer than one song.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 05, 2020 12:36 PM (MIKMs)

also why I don't much like Metallica "and Justice for All."

Posted by: Pug Mahon at December 05, 2020 12:45 PM (x8Wzq)

278 That's quite a dress the conductor has on, Hadrian!

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at December 05, 2020 12:45 PM (YynYJ)

279 Matt Gaetz just dropped this tweet a little while ago.

>>@mattgaetz

>>Erik Prince is an American Patriot!

Seems like there might be things going on behind the scenes we aren't aware of. I'm really looking forward to DNI Ratcliffe's report.
- - - -

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 12:46 PM (bDqIh)

280 Don't forget the piles. No wonder I was such a miserable son of a bitch.
Posted by: Zombie Karl Marx at December 05, 2020 12:42 PM (W4eKo)

I guess I can't blame some guy in a freezing environment for not having access to things like vegetables. I'd assume his diet was mostly potatoes, either boiled or distilled. Hot water was also probably something he wasn't willing to shell out a few extra rubles for. I wonder if anybody ever researched and wrote about his family and childhood? Because I'd bet it was pretty messed up.

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:46 PM (L8ADy)

281 So who's the 'they' in Paglia's quote?
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at December 05, 2020 11:33 AM (ZSK0i)

The critical race theorists.

Posted by: clutch at December 05, 2020 12:47 PM (9UmRs)

282 253
What version of Linux do you use?

I tried dual-booting Linux Mint, but found it didn't play well. It
changed and screwed up, inter alia, the connection to my router, and
necessitated an afternoon's work changing everything back.

I rather like Linux Ubuntu, which I tried and which created no such problems.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:39 PM (tW3KO)

Linux Mint (which is based on Ubuntu, IIRC). I use Linux Lite (based on Linux Mint) on older laptops to satisfactory effect. I don't know why Mint would have altered the connection to the router, irretrievably. Sounds like more of a routing problem, if your are just getting a dynamic IP from your router, unless there was some sort of IP conflict.
About the best thing, aside from free and stable is updates take less than about 5-10 minutes, even for reboot required kernel updates.

Posted by: flounder at December 05, 2020 12:47 PM (KnJdm)

283 Great rant by Razorfist

https://youtu.be/KMUTYCPLvH4

Posted by: spypeach at December 05, 2020 12:48 PM (Up/Jb)

284 Log files keep a record of activity and they're hard to fuck around with, including adding a record that someone tried fucking with them

...unless we thought of that already. Remember, our definition of 'secure' is far different than yours.

Posted by: DOMINION Sistemas de Votacion at December 05, 2020 12:48 PM (KDCRD)

285 Thank you, I'm not looking to replace my machine now, because it still works, but when the time comes... which probably won't be too far in the future, I will keep this in mind.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:30 PM (hku12)

I'm looking into building my own computer, when this one gives up the ghost, and installing Linux on it. To hell with Windoze.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:33 PM (tW3KO)

I had a friend build a machine for me eons ago, with Win 2K operating system. The thing ran like a tank (in the good way tanks run, not the bad ways), and I don't remember now why I got rid of it. Probably due to lack of storage space or whatever. I do remember putting memory sticks in the thing, and running out of slots... and me being me, rather than figuring out how to keep improving it that way, I traded it in for a sleeker, newer model at some point.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:48 PM (hku12)

286 There have always been people among us who are like the modern left. The crazy, the weak, the emotionally unstable, the people who demand much and give little, the people who insist they matter more than they really do.

There have always been the mentally disturbed who thought they were a different sex than they are, or who thought they were special snowflakes who ought to be treated like princesses. There have always been the demented and stupid.

In more brutal, uncivilized times, these people were usually dead at an early age from starvation or being preyed upon by stronger, crueller people. Ease, comfort, and safety is what allows these people to thrive.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, Best-selling author-elect at December 05, 2020 12:48 PM (KZzsI)

287 >What version of Linux do you use?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:39 PM (tW3KO)

I used to be an Ubuntu guy, but once they implemented the Unity interface, I ditched it for Linux Mint, and have been a happy user of Mint for a while. TBH, there's not that much difference between the two except the interface, and that can be changed. If you like Ubuntu, that's a good distro to choose, since it's well-supported and very popular.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 05, 2020 12:48 PM (L106N)

288 Dominion Employee of the Year Brian to explain it's a perfectly legit in 3...2...

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2020 12:38 PM (Adjue)

Forensic audits of all the machines? I'm all for it. That really should already be a routine part of the process.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2020 12:48 PM (CQ3Qb)

289 also why I don't much like Metallica "and Justice for All."
Posted by: Pug Mahon at December 05, 2020 12:45 PM (x8Wzq)

I like the album because drums.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 05, 2020 12:48 PM (zI9dG)

290 I saw more tents along I-5, the last time I drove there, than I'd seen six months before. And I drove over on Powell, where I'd been a year earlier. That was bad too. I'd expect Mississippi district, Hawthorne and Laurelhurst to look better.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at December 05, 2020 12:48 PM (YynYJ)

291
In this case, the truth is that people of shitty character will behave in shitty ways, no matter what their environment may be.

_________

Why are jails and prisons such awful places? Because they're full of awful people. Contrarywise, POW camps in World War II where Allied prisoners were held were bad but the prisoners maintained military discipline that prevented them from becoming awful.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:50 PM (mht8P)

292 >>You think those will be checked out?
I expect the warehouses to mysteriously burn down.

Wouldn't surprise me at all. But I don't think that's a big win for Team Coup.

There is a growing sentiment in the public that this election was rigged. Even diehard leftists if pushed will admit it's pretty unbelievable that a corrupt dementia patient who spent virtually the entire campaign reading a teleprompter in his basement got 80 million votes and despite a large Red Wave at the local and national level the leader of the party with a 90%+ approval rating from his party lost. They may bleat out talking points but they resonate less and less.

Does anyone really believe that just coincidentally vote counting stopped in the middle of the night in key areas in the contested states and Joe rocketed in almost mathematically impossible ways to the lead? This wasn't the normal Democrat fraud, this had to have been coordinated. The more they hide and cover up the worse they look.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 12:50 PM (ZLI7S)

293 I'm pretty interested to see what was going on inside those Dominion machines.

You think those will be checked out?

I expect the warehouses to mysteriously burn down.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 12:43 PM (bDqIh)

Right now, Kemp and Raffesperger are desperately trying to convince a federal judge that he has to release his injunction against Dominion machines being wiped in three GA counties or bad, bad things will happen.

I do not know if the bad things are because they wiped the data in defiance of the judge's order and are afraid of going to jail OR if the bad things are what will happen when that data is actually examined. Either way, Kemp and Raffesperger both look guilty as hell.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 12:50 PM (946rW)

294 261
Moron classical music moment

===

very ... uplifting

Posted by: vmom Critucal Snark Theorist at December 05, 2020 12:50 PM (nUhF0)

295 211. First read Inferno in college in early 90s during the s+l banking crisis. Was interesting to see how Dante treated money grabbers even back then.

Posted by: Rusty at December 05, 2020 12:50 PM (QFqpA)

296 245 Wow. Just. . . wow.

Reminds me of VDH's "two Californias" series a decade ago where he described how laws and regulations were only expected/prosecuted for one set of Californians: the ones who pay taxes, have a stable job, will pay fines, get permits, get insurance, show up in court -- i.e. those who have something to lose (a reputation, job, a family to support). The other California is the unstable, the illegal immigrant, the transitory. The state gave up bothering to attempt to enforce the laws, regulations (i.e. business requirements, building code), because they skip out on fines and court dates, don't bother getting insurance, will disappear if pursued, etc.,

This was mostly unofficial, though, except in cases where the state bothered to say out loud that they wouldn't be impounding cars from illegals who got DUIs because it would harm the poor undocumented.

But now we're at a point where they want to make it legal, put it all out there that people who respect laws will have them applied to them good and hard, and those who don't needn't worry -- they're exempt.

Again: wow.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 12:37 PM (bDqIh)

VDH is absolutely correct. The CHP doesn't bother writing tickets for wetbacks any more. Why? Because they don't pay the fines (or have licenses, or God knows, insurance). The CHP used to impound their vehicles, but a liberal judge nixed that. So basically ... they can do whatever they want. It's taxpaying citizens who have to obey the law.

Sounds reasonable.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:52 PM (tW3KO)

297 TBH, there's not that much difference between the
two except the interface, and that can be changed.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 05, 2020 12:48 PM (L106N)

I am a big fan of less is more, so XFCE rocks, for me.

Posted by: flounder at December 05, 2020 12:52 PM (KnJdm)

298 You think those will be checked out?
I expect the warehouses to mysteriously burn down.

I'd love it if some of the mobile document and device shredders in Georgia - remember, Georgia has a history of early shredding - were driven by people on our side.

Posted by: t-bird at December 05, 2020 12:52 PM (2nFxy)

299 One blonde weave.

You go girl!

One set of blinged out press on nails.

Dat what Ima talkinabout.

12,000 freshly minted Biden ballots.

Hell naw, ballot stuffin' ain't my bag, bitch.

One autographed copy of the book "Ballot Stuffin' is my Bag, Bitch"

Posted by: Shaey Shaey Moss has posted bail at December 05, 2020 12:53 PM (0KpTR)

300 Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:36 PM (hku12)

I agree that upbringing... particularly fatherlessness... is the cause of much of societies ills. No-fault divorce needs to be banned and we need to bring back good old social shaming that made people not want to have children out of wedlock.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 12:41 PM (946rW)

I encourage people to read up on the ACES study. It's an eye-opening experience, and while it doesn't go into cause and effect, it led to a LOT of research being done, based on the concept, that shows how these bad childhood experiences lead to pretty much all of these outcomes.

So again, while fixing divorce laws would be helpful, that's still closing the barn door after the horse has already escaped.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:53 PM (hku12)

301 Warm up your finger for '21.

Got a feelin' twenty one is gonna be a good year...

Posted by: klaftern at December 05, 2020 12:53 PM (RuIsu)

302 My kingdom for an onion belt.

Posted by: Zombie Karl Marx at December 05, 2020 12:54 PM (W4eKo)

303
1. Graduate from high school
2. Don't get a criminal record
3. Get a job, preferably developing some skills
4. Defer kids until married
5. Live within your means, whatever they may be
6. Save some money every month, and invest it
7. Let time and compounding do their magic.
8. Prepare to be amazed.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 11:50 AM (tW3KO)

I agree except for # 7. Ain't shit going to happen with .02% savings interest rates.

Posted by: Justsayin' at December 05, 2020 12:54 PM (Fs5vw)

304 This laptop is a Lenovo, but the first thing I do with it is wipe it for Linux, so I can't speak to the software. I guess there could be spyware in ROM somewhere.

The shell was falling apart until I took it off last week and spackled it with epoxy.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 05, 2020 12:54 PM (7DzWP)

305 Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 12:50 PM (946rW)

bad things like their car blowing up, maybe

Posted by: vmom Critucal Snark Theorist at December 05, 2020 12:54 PM (nUhF0)

306 The Anti-Lockdown protestors are chasing the police in Paris per WZ.

Oui, oui.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 05, 2020 12:54 PM (zI9dG)

307 One autographed copy of the book "Ballot Stuffin' is my Bag, Bitch"

Posted by: Shaey Shaey Moss has posted bail at December 05, 2020 12:53 PM (0KpTR)
Is this about the USB transfer vid?

Posted by: kallisto at December 05, 2020 12:54 PM (DJFLF)

308 Headed out to the rally in a few minutes. I couldn't get anybody to go with me.

#2 son said "Why? I thought he lost".

Posted by: f'd at December 05, 2020 12:55 PM (+y8uL)

309 Why are jails and prisons such awful places? Because they're full of awful people. Contrarywise, POW camps in World War II where Allied prisoners were held were bad but the prisoners maintained military discipline that prevented them from becoming awful.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:50 PM (mht8P)

Absolutely right. Poverty is no excuse. None. Immigrants (legal immigrants) came to this country without a penny, and over time most of them did just fine. Most recently, Vietnamese refugees came (many to California), slept N to a room, worked their asses off, pooled their money, bought various assets (e.g., laundromats) and are doing just fine.

But they have character.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:55 PM (tW3KO)

310 On PC building, there is good guide here that calculates the prices for the best components at certain price points https://tinyurl.com/y7es6c2a

Posted by: Rusty at December 05, 2020 12:55 PM (QFqpA)

311
3. Get a job, preferably developing some skills

__________

3a. Show up every day.
3b. Sober and on time
3c. Try to learn something.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:56 PM (mht8P)

312 Posted by: vmom Critucal Snark Theorist at December 05, 2020 12:54 PM (nUhF0)
vmom did you get the file I sent you?

I sent it to your reviews@bookhorde account.

Posted by: kallisto at December 05, 2020 12:56 PM (DJFLF)

313 I agree except for # 7. Ain't shit going to happen with .02% savings interest rates.

Posted by: Justsayin' at December 05, 2020 12:54 PM (Fs5vw)

Debt is not the way to go. If the money had been invested in the stock market over the course of decades, it would have grown dramatically. My use of the word "compounding" was a bit sloppy.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:57 PM (tW3KO)

314 310
On PC building, there is good guide here that calculates the prices for
the best components at certain price points https://tinyurl.com/y7es6c2a

Posted by: Rusty at December 05, 2020 12:55 PM (QFqpA)

I used to watch a youtuber who used that a lot. He went all COVID-hysteric, so I stopped watching.

Posted by: flounder at December 05, 2020 12:57 PM (KnJdm)

315 3a. Show up every day.
3b. Sober and on time
3c. Try to learn something.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 12:56 PM (mht8P)

Yep.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:57 PM (tW3KO)

316 Can someone tell me when exactly the USB transfer happened?

https://tinyurl.com/yyl35k6w

Posted by: kallisto at December 05, 2020 12:58 PM (DJFLF)

317 310 On PC building, there is good guide here that calculates the prices for the best components at certain price points https://tinyurl.com/y7es6c2a

Posted by: Rusty at December 05, 2020 12:55 PM (QFqpA)

Thanks!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:58 PM (tW3KO)

318 We built this city.
We built this city on crime and graft.
Built this city.
We built this city on crime and graft.

Posted by: Marconi plays the Mamba at December 05, 2020 12:58 PM (VN8L5)

319 The brand name on a PC/laptop doesn't mean much. Every chip and board inside them all is manufactured in China.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2020 12:59 PM (CQ3Qb)

320 bad things like their car blowing up, maybe

An hour to put out a car fire. My car is made out of metal, and I never fill up with napalm.

Posted by: t-bird at December 05, 2020 01:00 PM (2nFxy)

321 Today's FWP: No jumbo pasta shells or frozen chopped spinach at the store.

Did find some frozen baby spinach and have farfalle and penne pasta so all is not lost for supper tonite.

Will just have to make do with a pasta bake instead instead of Stuffed Shells.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 05, 2020 01:00 PM (iEx0u)

322
Or get a job with the city, in which case 3a-c don't apply.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 01:00 PM (mht8P)

323 >>Can someone tell me when exactly the USB transfer happened?

Go to the first comment in the link you just posted and watch his breakdown in slow motion. You can see the USB transfer much more clearly.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 01:00 PM (ZLI7S)

324 "Dr. Jordan Peterson claims left-wing radicals are corrupting legal
teaching across the Western world. At first glance, these extraordinary
claims about the teaching of law seem unlikely."

They're only unlikely to the older crowd that seems to forget we've seen 50 years, now, of the legal profession sheltering the leftist terrorists from the late 60's through the 70's. For the rest of us it's simply been like that our entire lives.

Posted by: there are only three star wars films at December 05, 2020 01:02 PM (EEVQU)

325 "At the same time, he [Marx] suffered greatly from various skin diseases and painful rashes."

Funny, so did one of his progenitors, Jean Paul Marat.

Posted by: Ordinary American at December 05, 2020 01:02 PM (H8QX8)

326 That's just what i want is some Chinese biois in my shit. Good thing i don't design rocket engines for SpaceX.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 05, 2020 01:02 PM (jQ7nr)

327 Erik Prince?

Posted by: It's me donna at December 05, 2020 01:02 PM (Zmnko)

328 I've been practicing law for two decades, mostly in the criminal justice system. I can count on one hand the number of cases I saw where someone stole food for their immediate need. AOC and her stupid "crime is going up because people are forced to steal bread" is nonsense.

Posted by: PabloD, make commies fly again! at December 05, 2020 01:03 PM (/LWj7)

329 This was mostly unofficial, though, except in cases where the state bothered to say out loud that they wouldn't be impounding cars from illegals who got DUIs because it would harm the poor undocumented.

But now we're at a point where they want to make it legal, put it all out there that people who respect laws will have them applied to them good and hard, and those who don't needn't worry -- they're exempt.

Again: wow.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 12:37 PM (bDqIh)

I'm in a still agricultural area of CA, so the illegals are a huge part of life here. And they really do turn the place into a third world shithole. They're illiterate, a friend who was a contractor for one of the largest pool builders in NV (like Mandalay Bay) was promoted to safety supervisor. One of his jobs was bailing out his best workers every Monday morning. Drunk driving is just a cultural thing. If they get drunk, the first thing they do is go driving (or drink while driving). He had to take classes to learn basically Spanish Ebonics, because they're illiterate and even your regular Mexican can't understand them (of course, they're not all Mexican). I remember he was upset that his best Tile guy had been arrested enough times that he got deported. My thought was his fucking company should be shut down.

Here, they drive "burner cars". They get their license through AB-60 (and voter registration most importantly) and they don't need to register or insure their cars. I kid you not, I see registration stickers from 2008. Their crappy little Hondas or Nissans cost all of $500, and if they're in an accident, they just walk away. It's quite common to see a wrecked Civic on the side of the road, it gets a tag, 2 tags and finally is towed (usually after anything useful is pulled off of our out of).

The highways have gotten so bad I finally got a dash cam. At least once a week I'll see a mattress, a garbage can, a section of fencing in the middle lane (or watch it come off as I'm behind them). Even fucking lawnmowers. And always bags of leaves/clippings. The latter is on purpose. They just "forget" to put the tail up, and go for a little 80mph spin on 101. No dumping fees! They always throw their fast food bags/boxes/cups in the back and let the wind take care of it.

This is the South Bay area, it's not a dirt road in Tijuana.

Don't even get me started on the gang activity and their sideshows. I have to wonder how many people are being hurt and killed, and the media covers it up.

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 01:03 PM (L8ADy)

330
Funny, so did one of his progenitors, Jean Paul Marat.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 05, 2020 01:02 PM (H8QX

_________

Dermatology is the key to a free polity.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 05, 2020 01:04 PM (mht8P)

331 It might be the only course later if Sundowner the Usurper takes over is state DA's take the cases and investigate the vote fraud

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 01:04 PM (9sWOw)

332 "284
Log files keep a record of activity and they're hard to fuck around
with, including adding a record that someone tried fucking with them

...unless we thought of that already. Remember, our definition of 'secure' is far different than yours.

Posted by: DOMINION Sistemas de Votacion at December 05, 2020 12:48 PM (KDCRD)"

One of the specific complaints from the white hats looking at these systems is that the process is deliberately designed in such a way as to not leave logs of critical steps.

Posted by: there are only three star wars films at December 05, 2020 01:04 PM (EEVQU)

333 I think I'll consider the value of "ending bigotry" at some point when my freedom is secure.

Until then everyone is classified as ally or enemy, depending solely on their actions.

Posted by: Methos at December 05, 2020 01:05 PM (kOpft)

334 Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 01:00 PM (ZLI7S)
ok thanks

This is what Kemp and whatever the sos's ratfvck name are protecting

Posted by: kallisto at December 05, 2020 01:06 PM (DJFLF)

335 I think I'll consider the value of "ending bigotry" at some point when my freedom is secure.

Yeah that's a luxury we have when we are otherwise stabilized. Priorities folks: Life, Liberty, Property. THEN we look at other stuff.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 05, 2020 01:07 PM (KZzsI)

336 I knew the GOPes were useless, I didn't know until this election debacle that some in key positions were actively aiding the enemy.

Posted by: kallisto at December 05, 2020 01:08 PM (DJFLF)

337 Matt Gaetz just dropped this tweet a little while ago.

>>@mattgaetz

>>Erik Prince is an American Patriot!

Seems like there might be things going on behind the scenes we
aren't aware of. I'm really looking forward to DNI Ratcliffe's report.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)

Erik Prince the Blackwater guy? Who now answers directly to the Secretary of Defense (at least I assume that's what "civilian special forces" means)?

Posted by: Methos at December 05, 2020 01:09 PM (kOpft)

338 >>One of the specific complaints from the white hats looking at these systems is that the process is deliberately designed in such a way as to not leave logs of critical steps.

I saw a breakdown the other day of an invoice for Dominion software modules. I can't remember which state it was for but the thing I found most interesting was the cost of the various modules.

The most expensive module by orders of magnitude, more than all other modules combined, was Ranked Choice Voting. I've yet to hear anyone give a reason, even a bad one, why you would use algorithms in a voting system. The fact it was used is evidence to me that they cheated.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 01:09 PM (ZLI7S)

339 "At the same time, he [Marx] suffered greatly from various skin diseases and painful rashes."
------------

Funny, so did one of his progenitors, Jean Paul Marat.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 05, 2020 01:02 PM (H8QX

But Marx was a super nice guy, who treated his wife and servants with the utmost respect, in congruence with the theories he espoused.

He wasn't physically abusive, he wasn't emotionally abusive, he didn't expect people to wait on him hand and foot, to the point of becoming a filthy, bloated, sadistic prick to everyone around him.

Nope. Not. At. All.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 01:11 PM (hku12)

340 OK now I feel better:

https://tinyurl.com/y6lv6wcc
for those who don't want to follow the link: Lin Wood states that Kemp, brassesberger, Duncan and Sterling are all going to jail

Posted by: kallisto at December 05, 2020 01:11 PM (DJFLF)

341 That's depressing, clutch cargo.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 01:12 PM (bDqIh)

342 garden thread up

Posted by: m at December 05, 2020 01:12 PM (HDhso)

343 I think I'll consider the value of "ending bigotry" at some point when my freedom is secure.

It's amazing how the moral panic has been inflamed re: 'racism.'

How the definition has been expanded to encircle literally any behavior, and how its magnitude has been exaggerated to an absolutely apocalyptic level.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 05, 2020 01:12 PM (7DzWP)

344 Nine days.

That's it folks. Just over a week

That is how long they have to stall until the electoral college meets and its over.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 05, 2020 01:12 PM (KZzsI)

345 >The most expensive module by orders of magnitude, more than all other modules combined, was Ranked Choice Voting. I've yet to hear anyone give a reason, even a bad one, why you would use algorithms in a voting system. The fact it was used is evidence to me that they cheated.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 01:09 PM (ZLI7S)

Oh, that's very interesting. I was wondering why that option was even installed in US voting machines. But knowing that it's an add-on module and that they specifically paid for it is super sus.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 05, 2020 01:12 PM (L106N)

346 nood bald eagle you're gonna love!

Posted by: m at December 05, 2020 01:13 PM (HDhso)

347 I knew the GOPes were useless, I didn't know until this election debacle that some in key positions were actively aiding the enemy.
Posted by: kallisto at December 05, 2020 01:08 PM (DJFLF)

@SgtMal
(from Parler, kicked off of twatter for GA #DomionWatch videos)
14 hours ago

"For so long, we thought that the Republicans couldn't fight as well as the Dems, that they lacked courage or fortitude. Now we're learning that many of them are just as vile and corrupt as the Dems. That's why they refuse the will of We The People."

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 01:13 PM (L8ADy)

348 We've spent at least four years watching gope stab trump in the back. Were people not paying attention?

Posted by: nckate at December 05, 2020 01:14 PM (rEqap)

349 >>Oh, that's very interesting. I was wondering why that option was even installed in US voting machines. But knowing that it's an add-on module and that they specifically paid for it is super sus.

Did you know that in states that used RCV votes are measured in fractions? How does that work?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 01:15 PM (ZLI7S)

350 I've yet to hear anyone give a reason, even a bad one, why you would use algorithms in a voting system.

I think Dominion's New Orleans sales engineer mentioned shareholder meetings the other day, as a way of needing floating-point and weighted votes. As if a company is going to spend $100 million for a system to tabulate shareholder votes.

Posted by: t-bird at December 05, 2020 01:15 PM (fFtVH)

351 >>The most expensive module by orders of magnitude, more than all other modules combined, was Ranked Choice Voting. I've yet to hear anyone give a reason, even a bad one, why you would use algorithms in a voting system. The fact it was used is evidence to me that they cheated.

Yes!

Maine just started ranked choice voting.
It was on the ballot this year in MA and lost.

Does any other state have ranked choice voting?
It makes no sense to purchase that module -- especially if it is the most expensive component -- if your state's election laws don't include it.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 01:16 PM (bDqIh)

352 If Formula one some years ago in the Ferrari Schumacher era he got off a race start much faster than anyone, I think the Williams team owner is said to have watched it replay a hundred times . Finally it came out that Ferrari had a launch computer sequence in their system as a #11 blank selection in a supposedly only 10 selections.
They claimed they didn't use it but it was there.

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 01:16 PM (9sWOw)

353 But Marx was a super nice guy, who treated his wife and servants with the utmost respect, in congruence with the theories he espoused.

He wasn't physically abusive, he wasn't emotionally abusive, he didn't expect people to wait on him hand and foot, to the point of becoming a filthy, bloated, sadistic prick to everyone around him.

Nope. Not. At. All.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 01:11 PM (hku12)

Yep. You left out a "useless parasite, who mooched off of all and sundry, as several of his children died from cold and poor nutrition while he spun his pipe dreams."

He was basically a turd on the hoof.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 01:17 PM (tW3KO)

354 >Did you know that in states that used RCV votes are measured in fractions? How does that work?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 01:15 PM (ZLI7S)

I don't see how weighted votes are in any way compatible with the "one man, one vote" principle we have here in the US.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 05, 2020 01:17 PM (L106N)

355 re: California lockdowns

I realize that this is about suppressing revolutionary thought and assembly, but these crypto-Marxists don't do anything unless there is a substantial paycheck in it.

Who's getting rich off the lockdown scam?

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 01:17 PM (Y8GVo)

356 >>I think Dominion's New Orleans sales engineer mentioned shareholder meetings the other day, as a way of needing floating-point and weighted votes. As if a company is going to spend $100 million for a system to tabulate shareholder votes.

Even if they did, ok. Doesn't explain why they would use it in a political election where in theory everyone's vote counts for the exact same number, 1.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 01:17 PM (ZLI7S)

357 The most expensive module by orders of magnitude,
more than all other modules combined, was Ranked Choice Voting. I've yet
to hear anyone give a reason, even a bad one, why you would use
algorithms in a voting system. The fact it was used is evidence to me
that they cheated.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 01:09 PM (ZLI7S)

Ranked Choice Voting is used in a few states and local jurisdictions so whatever voting system is used in those areas must support it. It's probably the most expensive because it's a niche module not widely used.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2020 01:17 PM (CQ3Qb)

358 Kallisto, yes!
thank you

Posted by: vmom Critucal Snark Theorist at December 05, 2020 01:19 PM (nUhF0)

359 I think Dominion's New Orleans sales engineer
mentioned shareholder meetings the other day, as a way of needing
floating-point and weighted votes. As if a company is going to spend
$100 million for a system to tabulate shareholder votes.

Posted by: t-bird at December 05, 2020 01:15 PM (fFtVH)

I don't think that was me.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2020 01:19 PM (CQ3Qb)

360 Holy fuck. One legal vote for one legal voter. Full stop.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 05, 2020 01:20 PM (zI9dG)

361 >>Ranked Choice Voting is used in a few states and local jurisdictions so whatever voting system is used in those areas must support it. It's probably the most expensive because it's a niche module not widely used.

Well that's a reason, not a good one but a reason.

A competing reason might be that it is so expensive that it is sketchy has hell and as risk goes up so does cost.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 01:20 PM (ZLI7S)

362 You guys should do a geeky Dirty Jobs show.

Here we found the incriminating evidence in the flash biois.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 05, 2020 01:21 PM (jQ7nr)

363 I think you mean "bios", Basic Input/Output System.

Posted by: t-bird at December 05, 2020 01:24 PM (WLHrn)

364 Is the purpose of Ranked Choice Voting to keep the minority party from ever winning an election?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 05, 2020 01:25 PM (iEx0u)

365 Nine days.

That's it folks. Just over a week

That is how long they have to stall until the electoral college meets and its over.
---
There's a white paper going around disputing that for the sake of the court cases.

In any case, given that the alternative is becoming a Chinese colony, I have to consider the Constitution and its processes optional at this point. What defines us as Americans is the Declaration of Independence and we are rapidly approaching "alter or abolish" time.

Posted by: Methos at December 05, 2020 01:25 PM (kOpft)

366 Anyone know: has Ruby Freeman been arrested? Interrogated? Visited? Anythang?

Posted by: Biden's Dog at December 05, 2020 01:26 PM (pP5cE)

367 Didn't the NYT do some kind of hagiographic garbage on the occasion of some sort of Marx anniversary?

Posted by: N.L. Urker at December 05, 2020 01:26 PM (lgiXo)

368 Well, they had flash biois twenty years ago. Truly. You use a flash gun of sorts to flash it. Reprogram the biois.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 05, 2020 01:27 PM (jQ7nr)

369 That's it folks. Just over a week

That is how long they have to stall until the electoral college meets and its over.
---
There's a white paper going around disputing that for the sake of the court cases.

In
any case, given that the alternative is becoming a Chinese colony, I
have to consider the Constitution and its processes optional at this
point. What defines us as Americans is the Declaration of Independence
and we are rapidly approaching "alter or abolish" time.

Posted by: Methos at December 05, 2020 01:25 PM (kOpft)

Maybe, maybe not. The only date in the Constitution is January 20.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 01:27 PM (946rW)

370 I encourage people to read up on the ACES study. It's an eye-opening experience, and while it doesn't go into cause and effect, it led to a LOT of research being done, based on the concept, that shows how these bad childhood experiences lead to pretty much all of these outcomes.

So again, while fixing divorce laws would be helpful, that's still closing the barn door after the horse has already escaped.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 05, 2020 12:53 PM (hku12)

Could not agree MORE, BurtTC. In fact, I watch very closely people's relationships with either their fathers or their 'father figure' to see what kind of president they'll be. Obama and his dad? Obama is not a nice human. Look how that played out - even though he was abandoned, Obama still had a bit of revenge to exact on behalf of his dad. GWB? had to finish the work of his dad in a few places ...and we know his dad was not a good guy. Clinton? Eesh. Trump? loved his dad, held him in the highest esteem and had a great relationship with him, based on respect. I also find it telling how much Trump's children and grandchildren love him. These are not coincidences.

It's scary to me when I see soiboys reproducing today. How will they raise their children?

Posted by: RondinellaMamma, Queen of Sheba Elect...for today, tomorow I'll be Helen of Troy Elect at December 05, 2020 01:27 PM (8/7u2)

371 I don't think that was me.

Sorry, can't think of who it was, then. It was a valid (meaning only a judge would believe it) reason for having floating-point vote totals.

Posted by: t-bird at December 05, 2020 01:28 PM (2nFxy)

372 >>Is the purpose of Ranked Choice Voting to keep the minority party from ever winning an election?

Best I can tell it's to make sure the anointed candidate wins regardless of party. Mass mail in voting made it easier to know what algorithm was needed.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2020 01:28 PM (ZLI7S)

373 Who's getting rich off the lockdown scam?
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 01:17 PM (Y8GVo)

IMO it's not a get rich quick scheme. It's all about patience and investment. They ARE buying up real estate. From the lowliest city managers up to mayors, legislators and governors. In most cases, pennies on the dollar.

In CA, a dirty little secret is people like Pelosi buying up huge swaths of land in the central valley after they shut the water off to thousands of acres of the most fertile land in the world. Because delta smelt. They just waited it out, until the farmer's couldn't hold onto land that's been in the family for over a century. Nobody else is insane enough to buy thousands of acres in the middle of nowhere that can be neither developed nor grown on (they are experimenting with some draught tolerant crops).

No doubt, once they've got most of that land, the water is going to magically be turned back on, as the delta smelt is no longer endangered or totally extinct and nobody gives a shit anyway.

Same with these little strip malls and stand alone restaurants in prime locations. The brilliant city managers in my town wanted to turn it into Santana Row V2, with high density housing over shops they've imagined in their fevered brains. That got shut down by the populous. But now? They'll buy up the shops as the owners/landlords are forced to default. The banks will turn it over after making a blanket deal. They get to control an entire downtown.

I've already seen the dry runs for this play out the past few years. A building is suddenly condemned for no particular reason. The owner is finally forced to give it back to the bank - and it just happens to be in an amazing location. Somebody from the city buys it, and suddenly, it's zoning changes. They can do whatever they want with it now. Currently, it's a fake park. They're waiting to do the same with the rest of the block.

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 01:28 PM (L8ADy)

374 I think you mean "bios", Basic Input/Output System.
Posted by: t-bird

Also i need glasses and i can't spell bios. I'm fucked.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 05, 2020 01:29 PM (jQ7nr)

375 It's scary to me when I see soiboys reproducing today.

Fair warning, turn off your monitor NOW!! *squirt!*

Posted by: Jeffrey Toobin at December 05, 2020 01:29 PM (pbStR)

376 >> Is the purpose of Ranked Choice Voting to keep the minority party from ever winning an election?

No, it's so that the person who gets the most votes doesn't necessarily win.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 01:30 PM (bDqIh)

377 Praying Medic Retweeted
Phillip Kline
@PhillDKline
�
1h
The ONLY Electoral College deadline specifically required by the Constitution is noon on January 20, at which point Trump's first term officially ends.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 01:30 PM (Y8GVo)

378 Not sure if its been reported anywhere but the Imagecastx machines are built on an AValue HID-21V-BTX-B1R off-the-shelf-tablet. The specs do say it has an RJ45 port but it must be buried.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2020 01:30 PM (CQ3Qb)

379 Its zoning, not it's zoning.

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 01:31 PM (L8ADy)

380 "Dominion's New Orleans sales engineer mentioned shareholder meetings the other day, as a way of needing floating-point and weighted votes."

Utter bullshit. It's one vote per share per state corporate law, and there's already a well developed platform to handle this. This I know

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 05, 2020 01:32 PM (9TdxA)

381 Praying Medic Retweeted
Steve Cortes
@CortesSteve
The Amistad Project of the Thomas More Society makes an important argument --the Constitution does not recognize Dec 8 (or Dec 14) as valid deadlines for state legislatures.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 01:32 PM (Y8GVo)

382 I knew the GOPes were useless, I didn't know until
this election debacle that some in key positions were actively aiding
the enemy.

Posted by: kallisto at December 05, 2020 01:08 PM (DJFLF)

Steve Bannon on his War Room show said his sources told him one of the reasons the PA state Republican "leadership" didn't want to do anything is because once Trump is gone they think things will "get back to normal". They can get back to their grift and pretend opposing the Dems while cuts deals with them and screwing us. It really is the Uniparty. What the dumb bell Republicans don't get is once the Democrats get enough power like in states like Illinois they don't even need their phony opposition any more. They wipe them out and it becomes a one party state. This is the Dems plan nationwide and they will cheat in every election to achieve that.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2020 01:33 PM (03m5s)

383 @380 Embellishment. Some company have dual class voting with founders like Zuckerberg getting ten votes for the special class they hold. But you don't need special software to do the count. Whole numbers only

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 05, 2020 01:34 PM (9TdxA)

384 Funny, so did one of his progenitors, Jean Paul Marat.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 05, 2020 01:02 PM (H8QX

When Marat got snuffed by righteous doll baby Charlotte Corday he was in the bathtub soaking his oozing skin sores. Then when the vermin put his gross body on display it was in the middle of a major heat wave which hastened the putrification so much limbs fell off and the stench was so bad even pouring cologne didn't stop viewers from losing their lunch. Good times in history!

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 05, 2020 01:35 PM (y7DUB)

385 Utter bullshit. It's one vote per share per state
corporate law, and there's already a well developed platform to handle
this. This I know

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 05, 2020 01:32 PM (9TdxA)

I honestly don't think I've ever brought it up here but it is correct, there is such a thing as super-voting sstock. Usually a class of preferred shares insiders issue to themselves that gives them proportionately more votes. One share might be worth 100 votes, for example, when common shares are one vote apiece.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 05, 2020 01:35 PM (CQ3Qb)

386 Praying Medic Retweeted
Steve Cortes
@CortesSteve
The
Amistad Project of the Thomas More Society makes an important argument
--the Constitution does not recognize Dec 8 (or Dec 14) as valid
deadlines for state legislatures.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 01:32 PM (Y8GVo)

I heard Ken Blackwell (former Ohio SoS) on the radio last week and he said the same thing. Those deadlines aren't in stone. Cortes has some really good videos about all of the "anomalies" in voting that occurred.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2020 01:36 PM (03m5s)

387 First, the bad news. Jesus spoke of the lawlessness that would characterize the last days. For example,
"And many false prophets will rise up and mislead many people. And because lawless is increased, most people's love will become cold."---Matthew 24:11-12 NASB

And the good news is
"When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."---Luke 21:28 NASB

Can you feel the love growing cold?

Posted by: CyberCipher #BoomerLivesMatter at December 05, 2020 01:38 PM (++/pX)

388 1h
The ONLY Electoral College deadline specifically required by the Constitution is noon on January 20, at which point Trump's first term officially ends.
Posted by: deplorable unperson -

And his second begins.

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 01:39 PM (QoPXA)

389 And his second begins.

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 01:39
-----------------------------
From your keyboard to God's ears. Or something like that.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 05, 2020 01:41 PM (iEx0u)

390 The other thing ranked choice voting does is delay determination of the winner, if, as IIRC is Maine, it only kicks in when the race is close:

The method works like this: Voters can rank the candidates on their ballot in order of preference. If no candidate breaks 50% of the popular vote, the bottom finisher is eliminated, and voters' second choices come into play. The tabulations continue until a candidate achieves a majority of the total votes.

It could be the techno version of finding votes in the trunk of a car if the persons applying this ranked choice calculation are not trustworthy. And yeah, I don't think Dominion has shown itself to be trustworthy.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 01:41 PM (bDqIh)

391 Steve Bannon on his War Room show said his sources told him one of the reasons the PA state Republican "leadership" didn't want to do anything is because once Trump is gone they think things will "get back to normal". They can get back to their grift and pretend opposing the Dems while cuts deals with them and screwing us. It really is the Uniparty. What the dumb bell Republicans don't get is once the Democrats get enough power like in states like Illinois they don't even need their phony opposition any more. They wipe them out and it becomes a one party state. This is the Dems plan nationwide and they will cheat in every election to achieve that.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2020 01:33 PM (03m5s)

Speaking of which, we need to let CBD and OM know about this news aggregate site I just became aware of this morning: Bannon's War Room:

https://bannonswarroom.com/

Looks like Drudge, but doesn't smell like Drudge. Happy to have it on my morning go-to list!

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 01:42 PM (L8ADy)

392 I think Marx and Engels were ultimately motivated by hatred of their Jewish relatives. No more religion, no more strong family bonds, no more personal wealth... they basically just dreamed up a world where it would be as if teh Jooos had never existed.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at December 05, 2020 01:42 PM (H3MF8)

393 For public companies, most shares are owned through brokers and get voted electronically ("street name). But typically 20% are held directly and get voted by hand by counting votes on proxy cards used as ballots ("registered shares").

If there's a proxy contest, the counting of registered shares is resolved in a "snake pit" where both sides can argue if a ballot is legitimate. The outcome is decided by an independent third party. We sure could use Inspectors of Election, no?

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 05, 2020 01:43 PM (9TdxA)

394 nap time

Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zonr at December 05, 2020 01:44 PM (nUhF0)

395 Weighted-choice and jungle elections are two of the senseless processes that seem to only go to allow voting to become more manipulable.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 05, 2020 01:44 PM (7DzWP)

396 Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 01:41
--------------------

That's real retarded, Sir.

--- Rachel Jeantel

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 05, 2020 01:44 PM (iEx0u)

397 -----------------------------
From your keyboard to God's ears. Or something like that.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay

I am praying hard. I just can't believe this travesty will stand.

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 01:44 PM (QoPXA)

398 On the Twitter trending topics sidebar:

"Video from Georgia does not show that 'suitcases' filled with ballots were secretly counted, election officials explain"

Oh, well the guy suspected of robbing the bank and found holding the loot bag says the security cam footage doesn't show him, so it's all good. Close the case, we'll never find out what happened.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 05, 2020 01:45 PM (L106N)

399 Trump fired the Defense Business Board, whatever that is

how ironic that I am actually hoping for martial law

Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 01:46 PM (nUhF0)

400 Anyone want to explain to me the problem with the "one man, one vote" doctrine that ranked choice voting is purporting to solve?

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 05, 2020 01:46 PM (L106N)

401 Our Philly cop, Wyatt Earp, had a piece linked in the sidebar not so long ago, and it led me to spend some time there.

And, it's applicable to KT's polemics. You see, Wyatt ranted a bit about beat cops calling him for advice, when they are supposed to contact their supervisor first. And Wyatt's job as a detective is booming these days, what with Philly murders up nearly 100% compared to 2019. Link?

https://tinyurl.com/yxbljmno

So. He was asked for advice about whether to charge someone for possessing a gun in their car, but otherwise law abiding. He advised the cop to let it go. Of course, his advice was ignored.

Read the piece for the details. Law and order, combined, was designed to preserve order. Without order, there is anarchy. The law is a tool to preserve the order of normal civilization.

And of course the law can be abused as well. Like a two year special counsel investigation of a certain President of late.

I just wanted to compliment Wyatt on his sage advice, ignored.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 05, 2020 01:49 PM (veMj1)

402 I think the result of letting the poor, mentally ill and homeless steal with impunity will lead to an uptick in 'face shootings'. A 'face shooting' is when someone gets shot in the face.

Posted by: President_Elect Dirks Strewn DA 1977 at December 05, 2020 01:49 PM (LBiyC)

403 >>Weighted-choice and jungle elections are two of the senseless processes that seem to only go to allow voting to become more manipulable.

Yes, completely agree.
One person, one vote is simple and understandable.
Ranked choice adds unnecessary complexity, which seems designed to make electing fraud/manipulation easier to do and hide.

"Oh, it's the algorithm, we just scanned the ballots and ran the program!"

I've had enough of the blame the algorithm game with ridiculously biased internet searches and social media censorship. It's dodge to deny the human manipulation, and since algorithms are proprietary and easily changed, it's difficult to prove the intent behind them.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 01:49 PM (bDqIh)

404 Speaking of which, we need to let CBD and OM know
about this news aggregate site I just became aware of this morning:
Bannon's War Room:

https://bannonswarroom.com/

Looks like Drudge, but doesn't smell like Drudge. Happy to have it on my morning go-to list!

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 01:42 PM (L8ADy)

I wasn't aware of that either. Thanks. I've been using the Bongino Report since Drudge went to shit. It was on Thursday or Friday on the War Room show that they were calling out conservative media for going soft. They were mentioning Breitbart in particular.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2020 01:50 PM (03m5s)

405 Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 01:28 PM (L8ADy)

Just like the 'Financial Crises' of 2008 was all about consolidating the Banking industry.

This 'crises' is all about getting rid of small business.

And showing the people they don't have any power.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 05, 2020 01:52 PM (d9rwJ)

406 Anyone want to explain to me the problem with the "one man, one vote" doctrine that ranked choice voting is purporting to solve?
---
Ostensibly, I think the argument is that you don't have to go through the expense of a runoff.

Which doesn't make it worth the risk of fuckery, imo.

Posted by: Methos at December 05, 2020 01:52 PM (kOpft)

407 It really is the Uniparty. What the dumb bell Republicans don't get is once the Democrats get enough power like in states like Illinois they don't even need their phony opposition any more. They wipe them out and it becomes a one party state. This is the Dems plan nationwide and they will cheat in every election to achieve that.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2020 01:33 PM (03m5s)

Ugh, my new trick is hitting post before I'm done. I'll be here all week, veal, waitress...

I can't believe these idiots somehow think they'll continue to be voted in at all. They're like the dumb, ugly fat kid who's in with the cool kids because he's got the PS5 and the folks are out of town.

The club is going to have all the playstations and parent-free homes they want soon, and won't need the fat kid that they've always hated anyway. They've proven they can cheat right out in the open. Once they've got their blanket amnesty (with the help of the dumb fat kid who wants to be cool like them) they don't even need to worry about cheating if they don't want to.

I find it hard to believe that our "elite betters" can't wrap their tiny brains around such a simple concept. And, they're no way cool enough to run as a D to begin with. The only reason they got where they are is by lying to a bunch of gullible voters. Then, even if we had honest and patriotic R's running, they won't stand a chance no matter how popular.

But here we are. We have 65 out of 141 idiot representatives in PA who won't even sign a letter. Tools, rusty tools soon to be discarded.

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 01:52 PM (L8ADy)

408 The difference between you and that guy? Character.

Thanks. I took out loans for two years at a State School. I did it because I wanted to earn something of my own instead of go through my folks. And it taught me some life lessons.
1. Debt sucks. Avoid it whenever possible.2. Keep every record along with multiple copies. Get everything time and date stamped.3. Debt sucks. It bears repeating.

"It doesn't work now." Nothing works if you're strategy is to give up pre-emptively.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 11:55 AM (tW3KO)

And that is what annoyed me about this guy telling me that. He's younger than me, he stayed at Radio Shack for years instead of trying to move up in the world because it was just easier on him. Yeah, I hated forking over part of my check to pay off that debt but I did it.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 05, 2020 01:52 PM (NodWM)

409 my old kindle fire has started spintaneously rebooting itself

Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 01:52 PM (nUhF0)

410 how ironic that I am actually hoping for martial law
Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 01:46 PM (nUhF0)

It may be our only hope. But it must come with an absolute commitment.

Posted by: Ordinary American at December 05, 2020 01:53 PM (H8QX8)

411 how ironic that I am actually hoping for martial law

Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 01:46 PM (nUhF0)
why would we have to worry, we aren't the perps

Posted by: kallisto at December 05, 2020 01:53 PM (DJFLF)

412 What would be Trump's reaction if the crowd tonight started chanting for Martial Law?

Seeious question

Posted by: pmurT at December 05, 2020 01:54 PM (ojwvu)

413 I watch very closely people's relationships with either their fathers or their 'father figure' to see what kind of president they'll be. Obama and his dad? Obama is not a nice human. Look how that played out - even though he was abandoned, Obama still had a bit of revenge to exact on behalf of his dad. GWB? had to finish the work of his dad in a few places ...and we know his dad was not a good guy. Clinton? Eesh. Trump? loved his dad, held him in the highest esteem and had a great relationship with him, based on respect. I also find it telling how much Trump's children and grandchildren love him. These are not coincidences.

Slick and Gaylord growing up fatherless was a major problem that the prissy GOP didn't want to touch, not to mention their whore mothers being the town sluts. A real opposition party that wants to win would have brought that up in some fashion.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 05, 2020 01:54 PM (y7DUB)

414 Critical Race Theory = Race Hustlers always win.
Critical Legal Theory = Criminals always win.
Critical Feminist Theory = Karen Daddy-Issues always wins.
Queer Theory = Obama always wins.

The curriculum includes:

*"If the Hegelian Dialectic Holds: Lesbian Novels Since 10 am This Morning"
*"Defining Employment Downish: If We Didn't Call Our Pet Lifestyles "Education" And Waste Your Parents' Money, We'd Be On the Basement Couch Just Like You're Going To Be."
*"Navel Gazing: Feminist Perspectives on Feminist Perspectives"
*"Foucaultian Power Structures: That's Not Funny! And That's Not My Navel, Either!"
*"Authentic Native Peoples Viewpoints: Ward Churchill, Elizabeth Warren and the Crying Indian Guy Take Peyote and Babble for an Entire Semester You'll Never Get Back"
*"The New Free Speech Paradigm: Forcing Others at Gunpoint to Use Words We Just Invented Last Week and Barely Remember Ourselves--Or Else!"
*"Nabakov Reconsidered & Hitting On the Freshmen Class: It's Okay When We Do It. And When We Say "Freshmen"."
*"My Cushy Tenure Taboo: We Can Talk About Dildos All Day Long But Some Subjects Are Strictly Off-Limits"
*"Critical Gender Mass and The ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ-Community: More Genders Than Letters in the Alphabet!"

Ostensibly, they're teaching Gender Studies, but really just teaching xis/xer lifestyle: How to be a Purple-Haired, Man-Hating, America-Blaming, Book-Burner with Unresolved Daddy Issues, Outdated Shoes and a Bad Haircut.

What this country needs is Critical Redneck Theory. It would be just as intellectually honest and much more fun to hire Larry the Cable Guy to teach Redneck Studies, with a syllabus including:

*"Towards a Trans-Nobel Intra-Species Critique on Bass Fishin': Lures, Worms or Dynamite?"
*"The Phallus: Why My Huntin' Dog Bo is Humpin' Yer Leg? Hint--Would it Kill Ya' to Shave Once in a While?"
*"Nonviolent Responses to the Terrorist Who Ate the Last Hushpuppy"
*"Queer Musicology: How Did Elton John's 'Madman Across the Water' 8-Track Get Stuck in My '72 Trans Am?"
and
*"Beer".

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at December 05, 2020 01:54 PM (Ndje9)

415 I've had enough of the blame the algorithm game with ridiculously biased internet searches and social media censorship. It's dodge to deny the human manipulation, and since algorithms are proprietary and easily changed, it's difficult to prove the intent behind them.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 01:49 PM (bDqIh)

Al Gore Rythms are the Deux Ex Machina of the tech industry.

PEOPLE write those algorithms. They don't work in a vacuum.

They just automate the choices people make, so they can affect a wider group.

I know, I used to TEST those for a living.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 05, 2020 01:54 PM (d9rwJ)

416 410 how ironic that I am actually hoping for martial law
Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 01:46 PM (nUhF0)

It may be our only hope. But it must come with an absolute commitment.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 05, 2020 01:53 PM (H8QX

Yet the media has its head buried in the sand, about how ANGRY 1/2 of this country is.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 05, 2020 01:56 PM (d9rwJ)

417 how ironic that I am actually hoping for martial law
Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 01:46 PM (nUhF0)

It may be our only hope. But it must come with an absolute commitment.
Posted by: Ordinary American at December 05, 2020 01:53 PM (H8QX

If Trump was half as much of a dictator/tyrant as they claim, we'd have found out by now. As others have mentioned, I'd be fine with him declaring himself Lord Emperor of North America and instituting martial law.

I have no doubt at some point regardless of who is sworn in, we're going to be finding out sooner rather than later where the military's allegiances lie.

Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 01:56 PM (L8ADy)

418 https://bannonswarroom.com/

That's interesting, is that actually Steve Bannon's website?

Posted by: spypeach at December 05, 2020 01:56 PM (Up/Jb)

419 >>Anyone want to explain to me the problem with the "one man, one vote" doctrine that ranked choice voting is purporting to solve?

Being sold as good for races with more than 2 candidates:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIJiSDB6cNc

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 01:57 PM (bDqIh)

420 Yet the media has its head buried in the sand, about how ANGRY 1/2 of this country is.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 05, 2020 01:56 PM (d9rwJ)

They're not ignoring it like an ostrich. They're drunk on power and are actively flaunting what they perceive to be their dominance over 1/2 the country.

Time will tell if they get away with it, ultimately.

Posted by: pmurT at December 05, 2020 01:58 PM (ojwvu)

421 Posted by: The Gipper Lives at December 05, 2020 01:54
---------------------------
Perchance, do you have a newsletter to which I may subscribe?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 05, 2020 01:59 PM (iEx0u)

422 Count Every Vote is just a Leftist's slogan, they really only ever mean count theirs.

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 01:59 PM (9sWOw)

423 >>PEOPLE write those algorithms. They don't work in a vacuum.

Exactly!!

But the tech companies always explain away a crazy search result or unexpectedly high profile social media banning (i.e. they got caught) as "oh, it was the algorithm that did it" as if there were no human beings who wrote and maintained/refined the algorithms. Such BS, yet they are allowed to get away with it.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 05, 2020 02:01 PM (bDqIh)

424 >Ostensibly, I think the argument is that you don't have to go through the expense of a runoff.

Which doesn't make it worth the risk of fuckery, imo.
Posted by: Methos at December 05, 2020 01:52 PM (kOpft)

Many localities simply require a plurality to win, which seems like the way to go if you don't want runoffs.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at December 05, 2020 02:02 PM (L106N)

425 Perchance, do you have a newsletter to which I may subscribe? Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay

link in nic.

I, too, like the cut of my jib.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at December 05, 2020 02:03 PM (Ndje9)

426 Posted by: The Gipper Lives at December 05, 2020 02:03 PM (Ndje9)

Good newsletter. Thanks.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 05, 2020 02:08 PM (zI9dG)

427 Who's getting rich off the lockdown scam?

Amazon, Walmart, those kind of places

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 05, 2020 02:09 PM (KZzsI)

428 420 Yet the media has its head buried in the sand, about how ANGRY 1/2 of this country is.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 05, 2020 01:56 PM (d9rwJ)

They're not ignoring it like an ostrich. They're drunk on power and are actively flaunting what they perceive to be their dominance over 1/2 the country.

Time will tell if they get away with it, ultimately.
Posted by: pmurT at December 05, 2020 01:58 PM (ojwvu)

They are thinking of ways to deny the franchise to the half of the population they deem unworthy.

Posted by: N.L. Urker at December 05, 2020 02:10 PM (lgiXo)

429 Slick and Gaylord growing up fatherless was a major problem that the prissy GOP didn't want to touch, not to mention their whore mothers being the town sluts. A real opposition party that wants to win would have brought that up in some fashion.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 05, 2020 01:54 PM (y7DUB)

Yup....plus one is a rapist and the other a sodomite.

Both are democrats which is all I needed to know not to have voted for either.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 05, 2020 02:11 PM (R/m4+)

430 It enfuriates me that the mendacious and corrupt media has gained so much power.

Posted by: N.L. Urker at December 05, 2020 02:12 PM (lgiXo)

431 The Amistad Project of the Thomas More Society makes an important argument
--the Constitution does not recognize Dec 8 (or Dec 14) as valid
deadlines for state legislatures.
-------------------------

The constitution doesn't provide for early voting either so if its OK for early or even extended voting then slipping the Dec 8 or 14 should be good too.

Posted by: Ward at December 05, 2020 02:17 PM (nzKWW)

432 Which is ultimately more devastating as an indictment of the country?

That an absurd non-candidate like Biden could actually win an election against a successful incumbent?

Or that massive fraud had to occur for this result to happen?

Because this situation *is* binary, in that respect.

I know people whose normalcy bias still leaves them utterly stunned that this wasn't a Trump landslide, and yet who can't quite accept the "stolen" concept. And they seem no less blown away than those who think it's clear that fraud was key, and on an unprecedented level.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2020 02:17 PM (OTzUX)

433 Amazon seems to be making a killing in these lockdowns

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 02:18 PM (9sWOw)

434 Its not so much that the media is more powerful, if anything they are less so.

Its that they've abandoned all sense of professionalism or ethics and are simply using their dwindling power exclusively for propaganda and attacking their enemies.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 05, 2020 02:18 PM (KZzsI)

435 Triple Flaming Skull emojis

https://tinyurl.com/y4o5wg43

Reports of the assassination of the Israeli Mossad commander Fahmi Hinawi.
(Link to video)

Posted by: bat nationalist at December 05, 2020 02:21 PM (R1LMN)

436 433 Amazon seems to be making a killing in these lockdowns
Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 02:18 PM (9sWOw)

To be a little bit fair, not that I have any desire to be fair to Amazon, but I believe there are small businesses that market through Amazon.

Posted by: N.L. Urker at December 05, 2020 02:22 PM (lgiXo)

437 Sidebar story: Geneticists Discover the Birthplace of Humanity
Cause...experts!
Yeah, right.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 05, 2020 02:24 PM (axyOa)

438 N.L. Urker, for years around here, probably the dumbest slogan was "media delenda est". It was jaw-dropping stupid the first time is was uttered, and got more absurd as experience disproved it daily.

And this applies in spades right now.

In the unlikely event there actually ends up a serious delay or chance of change in the outcome via courts or legislatures, brace yourself. The average media-drenched uninformed person won't have any reason to understand any of it - why are they still arguing over the election? Fraud? Huh? Sounds like some kind of stupid "conspiracy theory".

Each time I'm exposed directly to "mainstream" "news", it seems it's measurably, noticeably worse than the last time. The term and concept are over-used and thus have lost their sting, but it's little more than distortion and propaganda.

And for every person who has sought out alternative sources, there are probably 3 or 4 to whom that idea hasn't even occurred.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2020 02:24 PM (OTzUX)

439 Emerald Robinson
Latin cross
@EmeraldRobinson
The GOP is now engaged in a game of high speed chicken with its own voters in Georgia.

Does it want to keep the Senate? Yes.

Does it want to investigate voter fraud in Georgia? No.

The GOP's hatred of President Trump its instincts for self preservation are about to collide.

The General Staff
@Thejenrlstaff
�
52m
Replying to
@EmeraldRobinson
The voters won't blink. Its either back Trump or die

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 02:26 PM (Y8GVo)

440 With modern tight supply chains, cities have about 2 days worth of food on hand.

Having worked around supply chains most of my life, among other places, I'd say that number is closer to 7. Especially after the Wuhan Flu panic-buy.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 05, 2020 02:27 PM (/0HPZ)

441 this is the article FB factchecker is using to debunk the GA video

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6pnnksr

if anyone cares to debunk the debunking...

Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 02:27 PM (nUhF0)

442 Amazon seems to be making a killing in these lockdowns
Posted by: Skip

I try to avoid them at all costs. I have purchased very few things this year. I prefer to go to the source. One example, I bought an indoor/outdoor thermometer last spring to replace the one that died after 20 yrs. Their customer service was great. Says it is manufactured in North America. Any online search wants to automatically dump you into amazon.

You have to be very careful. Of course, they could be lying to me too. I have become very cynical.

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 02:28 PM (QoPXA)

443 I know people whose normalcy bias still leaves them utterly stunned that this wasn't a Trump landslide, and yet who can't quite accept the "stolen" concept. And they seem no less blown away than those who think it's clear that fraud was key, and on an unprecedented level.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2020 02:17 PM (OTzUX)

I gotta admit before this election I was agnostic on the cheating thing. I knew it happened before, like in 1960 but that Nixon was too much of a gutless RINO to challenge it. And the 2016 election pretty much proved my point. But this year's a fucking disgrace and I'm ready for martial law and CW2 to overcome this.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 05, 2020 02:28 PM (y7DUB)

444 "The New Scarlatti Orchestra conducted by Beatrice Venezi "

I'd go up on her.

Posted by: attila the irritable at December 05, 2020 02:29 PM (w7KSn)

445 442 Amazon seems to be making a killing in these lockdowns
Posted by: Skip

I try to avoid them at all costs. I have purchased very few things this year. I prefer to go to the source. One example, I bought an indoor/outdoor thermometer last spring to replace the one that died after 20 yrs. Their customer service was great. Says it is manufactured in North America. Any online search wants to automatically dump you into amazon.

You have to be very careful. Of course, they could be lying to me too. I have become very cynical.
Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 02:28 PM (QoPXA)

America's long knives are coming out for Amazon, even sooner than they did for Walmart.

Mr. Bezos is going to find this out the hard way.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 05, 2020 02:30 PM (/0HPZ)

446 Stealing this election is low key Ft. Sumpter.

Dems attacked first.

Posted by: pmurT at December 05, 2020 02:31 PM (ojwvu)

447 >>>He advised the cop to let it go.

The only thing I have to say to Wyatt is to be careful.

And I have his back.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 05, 2020 02:31 PM (WOYcU)

448 if anyone cares to debunk the debunking...

Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 02:27 PM (nUhF0)

Fakebook has been putting a fact check on every single story I post about Georgia, or this election, it's infuriating. But at the same time it makes them look really desperate when they fact check every single they don't like.

Posted by: spypeach at December 05, 2020 02:32 PM (Up/Jb)

449 Amazon seems to be making a killing in these lockdowns
Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 02:18 PM (9sWOw)

Their dogshit trucks are all over the place illegally parked including in the middle of rural roads.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 05, 2020 02:32 PM (y7DUB)

450 Fuck - just got the email that my county goes into lockdown starting tomorrow. Real idiots if they think this is going to help. I HATE CALIFORNIA

Posted by: IC at December 05, 2020 02:32 PM (Nyumu)

451 It enfuriates me that the mendacious and corrupt media has gained so much power.

Posted by: N.L. Urker at December 05, 2020 02:12 PM (lgiXo)

It infuriates me more that they're not swinging from lamp posts.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 05, 2020 02:33 PM (9Om/r)

452 Bobby Sherman became an LA cop. Defund the police, but keep his hair!

Posted by: Tony P at December 05, 2020 02:33 PM (Ps6Xq)

453 Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2020 02:17 PM (OTzUX)

and its happening as they destroy our civil rights, for a Pandemic that is not killing more people than die in a normal year anyway.

/Rod Serling voice

File this under, Never let a crises go to waste.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 05, 2020 02:33 PM (d9rwJ)

454 PEOPLE write those algorithms. They don't work in a vacuum.

It's the classic dodge of the weak-minded to absolve themselves of any responsibility for a decision, and obviate the need to use any judgment. Just rely on a mechanically-applied algorithm, and thereby head off any criticism.

Academia in some places has gone through a "bibliometric exercise," i.e., judging researchers performance by merely counting how many papers they publish.

Needless to say, this was child's play to game. First, the LPU (least publishable unit) plummeted, and what would have been one paper now got chopped into three or four little segments. ("Stay tuned for next week's installment!")

Others, more socially inclined would "collaborate" with their friends, and include each other as authors on their papers at the drop of a hat.

Bottom line: it's easier to count than to read.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 02:34 PM (KvZnc)

455 441
from the fact checkers

Did a "pipe break" on Election Day force evacuation of the Fulton County, Georgia, vote-counting center at the same time that "totes full of ballots" were "dumped"? No, that's not true. A pipe leak in Atlanta's State Farm Arena happened "around 6 a.m." on Tuesday, November 3, 2020, and delayed the start of absentee ballot counting for about two hours, according to election officials. But the ballot counting Donald Trump's campaign alleged was conducted without monitors present happened more than 16 hours later, after 10:30 p.m. Lead Stories has previously debunked the claim that there was an illegal ballot dump that night.
...

about the writer:

Editor-in-Chief Alan Duke co-founded Lead Stories after ending a 26-year career with CNN, where he mainly covered entertainment, current affairs and politics.

Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 02:35 PM (nUhF0)

456 450 Fuck - just got the email that my county goes into lockdown starting tomorrow. Real idiots if they think this is going to help. I HATE CALIFORNIA
Posted by: IC at December 05, 2020 02:32 PM (Nyumu)

No more... walking in LA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80WyBxo0Hto

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 05, 2020 02:35 PM (d9rwJ)

457 This is clever because I'm guessing it covers 98% of crimes. Who needs cops when you no longer have criminals?

Posted by: Undercover Brother is the third monkey at December 05, 2020 02:36 PM (Zl/sG)

458 450 Fuck - just got the email that my county goes into lockdown starting tomorrow. Real idiots if they think this is going to help. I HATE CALIFORNIA
-------------------------

I read Huntington beach had protests last night. Goin there later today to hang out with my homies and see what's happening. I will ignore the lockdowns... Screw that commie fuck newsome.

Posted by: Ward at December 05, 2020 02:38 PM (nzKWW)

459 Apparently the Trump team has a dominion voting machine.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 05, 2020 02:38 PM (IYHxL)

460 I want to put $100 on Iran

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 02:38 PM (9sWOw)

461 456, Romeo13 - well to be fair - I wouldn't want to walk in Los Angeles anyway. Friends who live in the nicer burbs in LA are saying no one is listening to that nonsense and they are out walking their dogs and all that as normal. Local police said they ain't going to enforce any of newsom's crap

Posted by: IC at December 05, 2020 02:39 PM (Nyumu)

462 I try to avoid them at all costs. I have purchased
very few things this year. I prefer to go to the source. One example,
I bought an indoor/outdoor thermometer last spring to replace the one
that died after 20 yrs. Their customer service was great. Says it is
manufactured in North America. Any online search wants to automatically
dump you into amazon.

You have to be very careful. Of course, they could be lying to me too. I have become very cynical.

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 02:28 PM (QoPXA)

I stopped using Amazon years ago when it became apparent that his game was to put all of or as much of his competition out of business. Once it got to that point where Amazon could be the only game in town the bastard would have far too much power.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2020 02:39 PM (p8DJl)

463 I have a big pot of Bolognase sauce and a pot of split pea soup with a ham bone. They are both simmering happily on the back burners. They'll be ready for dinner time. I'll make a lasagna with some of the Bolognase and portion and freeze the rest for later use. The soup is for a different meal(s).

Posted by: lin-duh at December 05, 2020 02:40 PM (UUBmN)

464 Editor-in-Chief Alan Duke co-founded Lead Stories after ending a 26-year career with CNN, where he mainly covered entertainment, current affairs and politics.

Just a quick google search of that dirt bag shows him sliming Newt in 2011.

Posted by: spypeach at December 05, 2020 02:40 PM (Up/Jb)

465 But will having a Dominion machine be enough to test for algorithm?

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 02:41 PM (9sWOw)

466 Knives are out for AMZN? Huh? How?

And IC, it's not just CA, as you know. It's almost the entire country, save FL and SD, and to some extent TX and a few rural states. And as I've pointed out since May, there is Zero top-cover for any rational and intelligent approach from Washington. Aside from the very anomalous and puzzling concession to actual facts and science on schools (don't close them), the CDC has been/remains a disaster. Ditto the WH task force.

This national collapse (not hyperbole) over C19 is the only thing that, grimly, makes Trump losing even slightly plausible.

This is O-care X 10,000 - many many more people directly harmed, basic liberties of all dramatically affected, life itself disrupted for almost everyone.

And?? In context - crickets. Some pathetic small-scale pushback here/there.

A populace THIS illiterate/ignorant/fearful, and THIS passive, COULD vote for a non-candidate with no campaign and unpopular (slightly, to wildly) policies, over a successful incumbent.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2020 02:41 PM (OTzUX)

467 Amazon seems to be making a killing in these lockdowns

-

There's a photo in one of the monkey threads this week where a kid is beating up another kid. The one on the ground is labeled "small businesses", and the kid beating him up is "government", with kids labeled "Amazon ' and" Walmart " cheering on the edges.

Posted by: Undercover Brother is the third monkey at December 05, 2020 02:41 PM (Zl/sG)

468 Lin Wood Retweeted
Karl H Mildenberger
@mildenberger_h
Replying to
@LLinWood

@realDonaldTrump
and 2 others
I agree. No Trump No GOP. Kelly and David must stand in front of Brian Kemp and demand a special session. Is that too much to ask for a Senate seat? Do this and the votes are secure.

Meetchell
@AxisAlive
...
Kelly and David can't demand a special session because it would make them guilty of treason. When Kemp said yesterday a full forensic audit needed to be done, his daughters boyfriend, a campaign staffer of Loeffler, was murdered in a tragic car accident.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 02:41 PM (Y8GVo)

469 Case in point. I need a new range hood. Going to be a present to myself. I found a Zline I really like. There website simple says shipped from USA. I sent an inquiry about where it was manufactured. Maybe I will here back this week.

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 02:42 PM (QoPXA)

470 I need to stop using Amazon as much as I do but this year with no toilet paper in the stores no rice sheesh - no choice but to get it from Amazon. But yes that bastard bezos shouldn't be getting as much of my money as he does.

Posted by: IC at December 05, 2020 02:42 PM (Nyumu)

471 Reports of the assassination of the Israeli Mossad commander Fahmi Hinawi.

---
I can't imagine they'll let that go unpunished.

Posted by: Methos at December 05, 2020 02:42 PM (kOpft)

472 Conspiracy theory?

Maybe. Or maybe all those Chinese millions came with some strings attached. And somebody pulled one.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 02:42 PM (Y8GVo)

473 Well. I learned my lesson ( for at least the 29th time) about a plug in appliance (Bread maker) for Mrs D's birthday Last month. Go Xmas so far I've scored an auto detailing for her chariot and a dash cam.
I like the indoor/outdoor thermometer idea above. Thanxs!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 05, 2020 02:44 PM (axyOa)

474 Just a quick google search of that dirt bag shows him sliming Newt in 2011.

Posted by: spypeach at December 05, 2020 02:40 PM (Up/Jb)

How dare you impute the veracity and impartiality of a CNN almunus, sirrah!

Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 02:44 PM (nUhF0)

475 and my spelling sucks again. Sorry about that.

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 02:44 PM (QoPXA)

476 have a big pot of Bolognase sauce and a pot of split pea soup with a ham bone. They are both simmering happily on the back burners. They'll be ready for dinner time. I'll make a lasagna with some of the Bolognase and portion and freeze the rest for later use. The soup is for a different meal(s).
Posted by: lin-duh at December 05, 2020 02:40 PM (UUBmN)

*tucks napkin in shirt*

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 05, 2020 02:44 PM (zI9dG)

477
Emerald Robinson
Latin cross
@EmeraldRobinson
The GOP is now engaged in a game of high speed chicken with its own voters in Georgia.

Does it want to keep the Senate? Yes.

Does it want to investigate voter fraud in Georgia? No.

The GOP's hatred of President Trump its instincts for self preservation are about to collide.

The GOPe is really too stupid/arrogant to see this. They can't see how Trump transformed the party away from them. Their country club/chamber of commerce base isn't much and won't win them a single election. It's the Deplorables or bust and these cretins are going for bust. And not the ta tas kind.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2020 02:46 PM (3iBPp)

478 Infidel,
I have a Zepher vent hood. I believe they are made in Taiwan and Italy...so not Chyna.

Posted by: lin-duh at December 05, 2020 02:46 PM (UUBmN)

479 Mr Aspirin Factory,
Be here around 6:30...

Posted by: lin-duh at December 05, 2020 02:47 PM (UUBmN)

480 I like the indoor/outdoor thermometer idea above. Thanxs!
Posted by: Diogenes

I can recommend Thermopro. Their customer service is awesome. I ordered one in the spring. It died in Aug. I called and they sent a new one, no charge. Gal on the phone had English as a first language. Woot.

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 02:47 PM (QoPXA)

481 Infidel I won't throw stones if you don't

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 02:47 PM (9sWOw)

482 And for every person who has sought out alternative sources, there are probably 3 or 4 to whom that idea hasn't even occurred.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2020 02:24 PM (OTzUX)

You are letting pessimism get the best of you. We already know from the Rasmussen poll that half the country (70 R voters, 30% D voters, 30+% independents) thought a couple weeks ago that the election had been stolen.
There might be argument over how much anyone is willing to do about it, but not that they know.

Posted by: Methos at December 05, 2020 02:48 PM (kOpft)

483 Fuck - just got the email that my county goes into lockdown starting tomorrow. Real idiots if they think this is going to help. I HATE CALIFORNIA
-------------------------

I read Huntington beach had protests last night. Goin there later today to hang out with my homies and see what's happening. I will ignore the lockdowns... Screw that commie fuck newsome.
Posted by: Ward at December 05, 2020 02:38 PM (nzKWW)

***

Daughter of Diogenes #1 is up by Stanford. She has decided to start walking the dog at 10:05 (after curfew) while drinking wine and singing religious Christmas carols.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 05, 2020 02:49 PM (axyOa)

484 30% D voters, 30+% independent

-

I'll say it again. Trump won California.

Posted by: Undercover Brother is the third monkey at December 05, 2020 02:49 PM (Zl/sG)

485 Here come the brides is 45?

WTF???

That was my old man's favorite show.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 05, 2020 02:51 PM (axyOa)

486 I can recommend Thermopro. Their customer service is awesome. I ordered one in the spring. It died in Aug. I called and they sent a new one, no charge. Gal on the phone had English as a first language. Woot.
Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 02:47 PM (QoPXA)

I'll check them out. Thanxs!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 05, 2020 02:52 PM (axyOa)

487 Infidel,
I have a Zepher vent hood. I believe they are made in Taiwan and Italy...so not Chyna.
Posted by: lin-duh

Thank you!

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 02:58 PM (QoPXA)

488 No reports of daily Covid-19 deaths in Pa but 349 shown yesterday and reports on radio my county hospitals are filling up and are sending patients out of the county from Covid-19 keep expecting a lockdown is coming from Dr It.

God help the country if Zhe becomes Surgeon General.

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 02:59 PM (9sWOw)

489 481 Infidel I won't throw stones if you don't
Posted by: Skip at

What did I do? Honestly, I'm not trying to attack anyone.

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 03:00 PM (QoPXA)

490 Hello all, sorry for being late to the party. I went back to bed for awhile after getting up at 3 a.m. Found out my upstairs neighbor, who is president of my HOA (I'm the vice president), is having a pacemaker installed Monday. Please wish him well -- he's been a good HOA president for 18+ years. (I live in a duplex - it's a small HOA.)

Posted by: SFGoth at December 05, 2020 03:00 PM (KAi1n)

491 The GOPe is really too stupid/arrogant to see this. They can't see how Trump transformed the party away from them. Their country club/chamber of commerce base isn't much and won't win them a single election. It's the Deplorables or bust and these cretins are going for bust. And not the ta tas kind.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2020 02:46 PM (3iBPp)

In their defense - there are plenty of loud thought leaders screaming, crying, bitching, cajoling, bullying, shaming, and whatever else it takes to get people to just vote harder for the GOP - just one more time. Until the next time.

Same kind of people that think the time to bury your guns is different than the time to dig them up.

Posted by: Endeavor To Persevere at December 05, 2020 03:01 PM (cxvn3)

492 Brother I think it's very possible Trump won Virginia

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 03:01 PM (9sWOw)

493 Americsn Thinker debunks the debunker

https://twitter.com/vm20201/status/
1335313333277372416

Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 03:01 PM (nUhF0)

494 I like the indoor/outdoor thermometer idea above. Thanxs!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 05, 2020 02:44 PM (axyOa)

* flashy kinetic wind sock
* get the 64gb memory chip for the dash cam
* kdenlive, for the video editing of stupid drivers
* datakam, for retrieving the video off the dash cam
* proton mail, for a generic troll account to post videos on Rumble after you doxx local politicians for driving while rage stroking
* new blog setup for posting and blogging about family she cannot travel to see. Keeps her off of fb and other social media

Posted by: BifBewalski AOS Moron at December 05, 2020 03:02 PM (VcFUs)

495 Infidel you said about making spelling errors

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 03:02 PM (9sWOw)

496 Infidel, I think Skip was referencing your spelling mea culpa.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 05, 2020 03:02 PM (iEx0u)

497 Thermopro just ordered.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 05, 2020 03:03 PM (axyOa)

498 481 Infidel I won't throw stones if you don't
Posted by: Skip at

Ah, ok, I get lazy on weekends. Have to be on my toes at work 50 hrs a week.

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 03:04 PM (QoPXA)

499 Thermopro just ordered.

Posted by: Diogenes

I hope you went directly to their site. That was the first question. Did you order on amazon? Nope.

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 03:06 PM (QoPXA)

500 Diogenes, there is also a home weather station made by accurite. We like ours. Very easy to install.

Posted by: BifBewalski AOS Moron at December 05, 2020 03:07 PM (VcFUs)

501 Now on topic -- I learned about all this stuff in the late 80's -- 4 years before I went to law school -- when I was doing research at the Hastings law library here in S.F. It's not something new, at all.

The bottom line with people who espouse this stuff: they cannot create anything, repair anything, heal anyone, or feed anyone. They simply think the state of material wealth in this country is permanent and can co-exist with their politics which does not recognize various immutable laws of nature and humanity.

Why did Marx, the founder of Marxism, espouse that in order to get to communism, you had to go through capitalism first? Because communism does not, and cannot, even maintain the standard of living of capitalism let alone get there in the first place. But Marx thought what capitalism created could be maintained. These nutjobs don't even recognize that capitalism is necessary to create everything they want in the first place.

And f*ck the GOPe, seriously. That's coming from a short, middle-aged, pro-choice (mildly), pro-marijuana (with unbridled enthusiasm), pro-cat (with all my heart), agnostic Jew.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 05, 2020 03:07 PM (KAi1n)

502 491 They can he pretty obnoxious about it too

Posted by: CN wearing the official troll hat at December 05, 2020 03:08 PM (ONvIw)

503 I blaim my spelling on my small keyboard and typing without proof reading.

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 03:10 PM (9sWOw)

504 lol. Pets up. I need happy.

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 03:11 PM (QoPXA)

505 My speling sux, two, Skip.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 05, 2020 03:11 PM (zI9dG)

506 Nood Pet Thread.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at December 05, 2020 03:12 PM (iEx0u)

507 The string video is very nice to listen to

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 03:15 PM (9sWOw)

508 I said this when I first heard it:

Praying Medic
@prayingmedic
�
12m
The best evidence that something unexpected awaits us is Pompeo's confident declaration that the State Department is preparing for a 2nd Trump term. He knows something the rest of do not. So do other cabinet members and so does Mitch McConnell.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 03:15 PM (Y8GVo)

509 And f*ck the GOPe, seriously. That's coming from a short, middle-aged, pro-choice (mildly), pro-marijuana (with unbridled enthusiasm), pro-cat (with all my heart), agnostic Jew.
Posted by: SFGoth at December 05, 2020 03:07 PM (KAi1n)

Burn your joint while I day drink - and I'm sure we'll get along just fine. Hell - we'll throw something on the smoker.

Posted by: Endeavor To Persevere at December 05, 2020 03:16 PM (cxvn3)

510 I don't care about any 'debunking.' We've seen lefty thugs running around with impunity doing whatever they want to extort control. We're past the phase of legalisms. We're into raw naked demands of an angry mob. Our job at this point is to inspire more fear in them than the other side does.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 05, 2020 03:16 PM (7DzWP)

511 508 Pompeo is one of my favorites, Mnuchin too

Posted by: CN wearing the official troll hat at December 05, 2020 03:16 PM (ONvIw)

512 To be a little bit fair, not that I have any desire to be fair to Amazon, but I believe there are small businesses that market through Amazon.

You can thank your state and local government for that necessity.

They brought out the lockdowns, but even without lockdowns, the Byzantine sales tax schemes with different rates based on delivery address, different payment schedules, grace periods, methods of payment, forms all other kinds of nonsense deliberately designed to cause errors and omissions so that the taxing authorities can levy additional fines and penalties.

Your government at all levels hates you and wants you to suffer.

Posted by: President Elect 🐧 at December 05, 2020 03:21 PM (C+evo)

513 * datakam, for retrieving the video off the dash cam
* proton mail, for a generic troll account to post videos on Rumble after you doxx local politicians for driving while rage stroking
* new blog setup for posting and blogging about family she cannot travel to see.

Don't forget OpenALPR so that you can capture license plate data from the cams.

Posted by: President Elect 🐧 at December 05, 2020 03:23 PM (C+evo)

514 what do you guys think.of this theory?

https://twitter.com/OAngie2/status/
1335295969882218496

THIS. Trump has been hinting this was his approach. Now it makes sense. Only date in Constitution is Jan. 30. Trump wants SCOTUS to rule that you can't delay investigation of fraud long enough to get to 12/14 and say "oops, out of time! The guy who stole the election wins" 1/

State legislatures (not courts) will be forced to do their own investigations & act to select electors & date for EC vote will have to be delayed OR state legislatures can choose to send NO electors, which means 12 Amendment contingency election as neither will get 270. 2/2

Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 03:25 PM (nUhF0)

515 Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 03:25 PM (nUhF0)

More, there have now been multiple cases dismissed saying 'you can't sue now, you needed to sue before',

When they could NOT sue, until damage had been done, or they would not have had standing.

That's a clear Catch-22 and destroys the idea of Petition for Redress, which is in the Constitution.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 05, 2020 03:27 PM (d9rwJ)

516
In their defense - there are plenty of loud
thought leaders screaming, crying, bitching, cajoling, bullying,
shaming, and whatever else it takes to get people to just vote harder
for the GOP - just one more time. Until the next time.

Same kind of people that think the time to bury your guns is different than the time to dig them up.

Posted by: Endeavor To Persevere

Neil Boortz is posting whiny responses to Lin Wood's Tweet telling Loeffler and Perdue to earn our votes by demanding a special session.

I used to like Neil. Dickbag.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 03:28 PM (Y8GVo)

517 Still insist this crime of voter fraud happened a month ago. Before that it was only speculated it might happen.

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 03:30 PM (9sWOw)

518 516. Perdue is behind Ossoff, his pro Biden comments could not have helped.

Posted by: CN refusing to wear the hat of the troll. at December 05, 2020 03:31 PM (ONvIw)

519 493 Americsn Thinker debunks the debunker

https://twitter.com/vm20201/status/
1335313333277372416
Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 03:01 PM (nUhF0)

Ma'am, Are you a member of the Georgia BAR? Yes or No.

Posted by: Elena Sneed Parent at December 05, 2020 03:34 PM (R1LMN)

520 518 516. Perdue is behind Ossoff, his pro Biden comments could not have helped.
Posted by: CN refusing to wear the hat of the troll. at December 05, 2020 03:31 PM (ONvIw)

Remember when Jesus Christ used whips on people to get them out of the temple. Same applies for what is needed in Georgia.

Posted by: bat nationalist at December 05, 2020 03:38 PM (R1LMN)

521 this is the article FB factchecker is using to debunk the GA video

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6pnnksr

if anyone cares to debunk the debunking...

Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 02:27 PM (nUhF0)

For starters, they are not debunking the video. They are debunking the timing. They say that the leak happened at x time and and the illicit counting happened at y time so they are not linked.

Second, they are saying nobody sent the observers home which is stupidly false. The observers would not have left unless they were told counting was over for the night. It does not matter if election officials ever said the words "go home" or not.

Third, the only work order for that day and that building was a leak in the bathroom. Unless they were counting ballots in the bathroom, that should not have affected whether they needed to shut down counting (or delay the start of counting). Also, officials are lying when they say that the leak was in the room they were counting in.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 03:40 PM (946rW)

522 Loved the music. Thanks.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at December 05, 2020 03:42 PM (d9Cw3)

523 I used to listen to Boortz on WSB years ago. What a fucking dink.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 05, 2020 03:42 PM (zI9dG)

524 whoa====
Rising serpent
Flag of United States
@rising_serpent
Hold on, hold on, the same Lord Malloch-Brown who owns Smartmatic is going to head your borderless new world order organization?
He must've done something truly worthy of the promotion..

George Soros
@georgesoros
I applaud Patrick Gaspard's leadership of the Open Society Foundations in a world beset by illiberalism. Mark Malloch-Brown will be Open Society's new president. He is deeply familiar with its work and shares my vision of philanthropy.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 03:42 PM (Y8GVo)

525 Neil Boortz is posting whiny responses to Lin Wood's Tweet telling Loeffler and Perdue to earn our votes by demanding a special session.

I used to like Neil. Dickbag.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020

What does he think a special session will accomplish ?

Posted by: Endeavor To Persevere at December 05, 2020 03:53 PM (cxvn3)

526 George Soros
@georgesoros
I applaud Patrick
Gaspard's leadership of the Open Society Foundations in a world beset by
illiberalism. Mark Malloch-Brown will be Open Society's new president.
He is deeply familiar with its work and shares my vision of
philanthropy.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 03:42 PM (Y8GVo)

Noted.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 03:54 PM (946rW)

527 Here come the brides is 45?

WTF???

That was my old man's favorite show.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 05, 2020 02:51 PM (axyOa)

It's older than that. The video is from 2013. It ran from 1968 to 1970.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2020 03:54 PM (BtvqO)

528 520 I am cool with that

Posted by: CN refusing to wear the hat of the troll. at December 05, 2020 03:55 PM (ONvIw)

529 Neil Boortz is posting whiny responses to Lin
Wood's Tweet telling Loeffler and Perdue to earn our votes by demanding a
special session.

I used to like Neil. Dickbag.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020

What does he think a special session will accomplish ?

Posted by: Endeavor To Persevere at December 05, 2020 03:53 PM (cxvn3)

For one, it would force the GA legislature to stop hiding under their beds and refusing to address the cheating.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 03:55 PM (946rW)

530 15k watching the Trump rally stream on RSBN. It doesn't start for 3 hours.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 04:01 PM (Y8GVo)

531 5k watching the Trump rally stream on RSBN. It doesn't start for 3 hours.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 04:01 PM (Y8GVo)

I'm hoping for fireworks, and for Trump people to chant, no audit no vote, or something to that effect, and maybe lock him up.

Posted by: spypeach at December 05, 2020 04:09 PM (Up/Jb)

532 Just 25 congressional Republicans acknowledge Biden's so-called win, Washington Post survey finds.
Of the 249 Republicans in the House and Senate, 222 will not say who won the election

Posted by: 89%+ strength, even amongst politicians! at December 05, 2020 04:09 PM (BBWrU)

533 https://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2020/12/ its con its been con whole time video

No need to look it up, it leads back to here

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 04:10 PM (9sWOw)

534 It should be on OAN I hope

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 04:11 PM (9sWOw)

535 > Mark Malloch-Brown will be Open Society's new president.
He is deeply familiar with its work and shares my vision of
philanthropy.

Deeply familiar with rigging Aquino's "win" in the Philippines in 1986, and many since.

Posted by: Shoe salesman to first ladies at December 05, 2020 04:11 PM (BBWrU)

536 Deeply familiar with rigging Aquino's "win" in the Philippines in 1986, and many since.
Posted by: Shoe salesman to first ladies

Cory Aquino? I thought she won but Marcos said she lost

Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 04:16 PM (nUhF0)

537 I don't have a Twitter account but I lurk...and the pro-Trump Twitterverse is ROCKING today.

@WeTheInevitable
�
57m
Like I just found a new spot to spend my money

6unf46
@6unf46
How do you feel when you walk into a business and see the employees and customers not wearing masks?

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 04:20 PM (Y8GVo)

538 You know what? I'm completely done trying to end all this imaginary bigotry, and I'm done catering to the mentally ill. Whites are the only real group without any protection (so much so that I imagine a lot of conservatives shudder at even the notion of calling Whites a group), so I'll focus on altering that as all the faux-oppressed bitch and moan into the void.

Posted by: johnson at December 05, 2020 04:21 PM (KNsfV)

539 In 1985, Malloch Brown was deployed to become the advisor and speech writer to Philippine opposition leader Corazon (Cory) Aquino under the supervision of then Secretary of State George Shultz. Corazon was a darling of the western establishment but had the nearly impossible task of challenging the popular nationalist President Ferdinand Marcos who had steered his country into economic sovereignty in opposition to international financiers since his inauguration in 1965.

Applying all of the arts of perception management and marketing, Malloch Brown took control of Aquino's campaign transforming it into the "People Power Revolution" that was in many ways the first successful color revolution of our modern times. Knowing that votes would likely favor the incumbent Marcos, Malloch Brown wrote that he drafted Aquino's victory speech before the elections and had her deliver it before votes were even finalized - and which accomplices in the media were all too happy to project publicly fueling the mythology that Corazon had won.

Describing these events years later, Malloch Brown said: An outstanding accomplishment during the Cory campaign was to produce an exit poll that indicated that she had won. It landed on the front page of the Inquirer and had a profound impact as it planted the idea that Aquino had won over Marcos... Marcos did not really recover after that. It was a very exciting experience to watch.

Malloch Brown failed to mention that the "polling station results" which produced the false perception that Corazon had won were manipulated by George Shultz's local agents survey firms Social Weather Station, and Pulse Asia which have never been held accountable for their role in the anti-Marcos coup. [!This paragraph about election fraud is disputed!]

Posted by: Payments in Manila envelopes at December 05, 2020 04:22 PM (BBWrU)

540 For one, it would force the GA legislature to stop hiding under their beds and refusing to address the cheating.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner

Wo. I'm not disagreeing with, or correcting, Redbanz-and-rice. ; - > Heh

Posted by: SFGoth at December 05, 2020 04:23 PM (KAi1n)

541 johnson -and white and male makes you double screwed

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 04:24 PM (9sWOw)

542 No, Trump did not win CA.

The Trump wave I expected did not materialize, which I still find incredibly troubling. And that's factoring in the mail-in, absentee, and other conventional fraud - which is where the problem, and the potential action, are.

NV is such an illegal mess that who knows what the vote was - but NV was a place that Trump had unique appeal, no other GOP prez candidate will likely have those angles.

AZ is very troubling, as is GA. These places shouldn't be close - neither were, according to the most accurate pollster, and the Trump data team. They're not OK or AK, but they should in no way be "battlegrounds". But hard to think GA hasn't become one - that Kemp margin over Abrams was small, right?

And the House pick-ups are nice I suppose, but no way less than half the '18 Trump district switches should have been reclaimed. That's a big failure.

Then again - what would anyone say the GOP "stood for" this cycle? Anyone? Bueller? Not that the Dems stand for anything - most of their agenda is toxic politically, yet they survive and prosper thanks to there being no press, and a lazy/tribalistic electorate.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2020 04:44 PM (OTzUX)

543
No, Trump did not win CA.

The Trump wave I expected did not materialize, which I still find
incredibly troubling. And that's factoring in the mail-in, absentee,
and other conventional fraud - which is where the problem, and the
potential action, are.

-------

What are you basing this opinion on Rhomboid? Cause I gotta tell you, judging from the House races that went R and the votes on the referenda, I think he did win the legal vote.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 04:47 PM (946rW)

544 The Trump wave I expected did not materialize, which I still find
incredibly troubling. And that's factoring in the mail-in, absentee,
and other conventional fraud - which is where the problem, and the
potential action, are.

---
Do you have any evidence of that other than the 'election results numbers' the commies gave us?

Posted by: Methos at December 05, 2020 04:49 PM (kOpft)

545 Set her free, Lady Liberty at rally in Huntington Beach, CA

Yeah, CA's not red, it's cherry red.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U076B8BSwVU

Posted by: Braenyard at December 05, 2020 04:51 PM (CZm2G)

546 Referenda don't track with presidential results.

Guess who won when Prop 8 passed? Yeah.

Were any of the R House victories other than reclaiming long, and I mean long-term, GOP seats? By a hair? Thanks probably to the local GOP finally learning and matching the "harvesting" operations of the Dems? They're not in the least anomalous, or indicative of any wave or unusual trends. Ditto for county and local results - no surprises, no upsets.

"Evidence"? All evidence here is indirect.

I don't think Trump or Stepien or anyone else with expert knowledge and interest thinks Trump won CA, not even sure why that's an area of interesting speculation.

In any case my anticipated wave did not include CA, though I thought at least a tiny bit of rebellion at the C19 disaster might produce some upsets - that didn't happen either.

It's all about WI MI PA GA. In terms of fraud, and electoral importance. Yes NV is clearly so bad their electors shouldn't be seated, and AZ/Maricopa needs to be examined closely. But it's the big 4 that matter, and where the irregularities are best documented.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2020 04:58 PM (OTzUX)

547 >>>It's all about WI MI PA GA. In terms of fraud, and electoral importance. Yes NV is clearly so bad their electors shouldn't be seated, and AZ/Maricopa needs to be examined closely. But it's the big 4 that matter, and where the irregularities are best documented.

Are you saying the actual wave that was there didn't happen because the Democrats successfully covered it up?

Posted by: Braenyard at December 05, 2020 05:02 PM (CZm2G)

548 Problem in California is it probably has a million illegals voting, or at least a few hundred thousand.

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 05:04 PM (9sWOw)

549
Referenda don't track with presidential results.

Guess who won when Prop 8 passed? Yeah.

Were any of the R House victories other than reclaiming long, and I
mean long-term, GOP seats? By a hair? Thanks probably to the local GOP
finally learning and matching the "harvesting" operations of the Dems?
They're not in the least anomalous, or indicative of any wave or
unusual trends. Ditto for county and local results - no surprises, no
upsets.

"Evidence"? All evidence here is indirect.

I don't think Trump or Stepien or anyone else with expert knowledge
and interest thinks Trump won CA, not even sure why that's an area of
interesting speculation.

In any case my anticipated wave did not include CA, though I thought
at least a tiny bit of rebellion at the C19 disaster might produce some
upsets - that didn't happen either.

It's all about WI MI PA GA. In terms of fraud, and electoral
importance. Yes NV is clearly so bad their electors shouldn't be
seated, and AZ/Maricopa needs to be examined closely. But it's the big 4
that matter, and where the irregularities are best documented.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2020 04:58 PM (OTzUX)

Referenda should track with the presidential vote and only didn't in 2008 because blacks came out for Obama but also vote conservative on social issues. Are you thinking they would come out for Biden like they did for Obama? Cause there is no evidence of that and no reason they would.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 05:05 PM (946rW)

550 'The Trump wave I expected did not materialize, which I still find incredibly troubling."

I predicted that Trump would do well with Hispanics and better than 2016 with Blacks. I also thought the polls were bullshit, including because of a strong Shy Tory effect. I said the Rs would hold the Senate, might take back the House. And that Trump would win the EC more or less like 2016.

I was wrong on the last because there was a steal that changed the outcome in at least four states. And Trump did so well, the steal had to be blatant.

There's a future here folks, no matter what.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 05, 2020 05:05 PM (9TdxA)

551 I'm saying the big 4 matter, and all have serious indications of irregularities.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2020 05:05 PM (OTzUX)

552 It should be a easy case that those 4 have very questionable voting going on.those 4 had the stoppages and still wondering the timing of each.

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 05:06 PM (9sWOw)

553 I'm saying the big 4 matter, and all have serious indications of irregularities.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2020 05:05 PM (OTzUX)

Lots of states do including my state of Virginia.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 05:07 PM (946rW)

554 539 Marcos was deeply unpopular though, and the Benigno Aquino assassination was a thug move

Posted by: vmom Mobile Autonomous Zone at December 05, 2020 05:07 PM (nUhF0)

555 "Law is the worst of the bunch.... I had no idea how deep the corruption in law had gotten until last year. I have been talking to law students and professors, and it's absolutely unbelievable"

Can certainly believe it. Law school across the quad has a display of recent books/publications from faculty. Certainly a lot of it is modern malarkey (and most of the rest is technical esoterica IMO). Typically obsessed with "rights" that come from the emanations of the author, etc. Particularly as in most universities the profs are actually the more sane, compared to the admins, and the higher-ups / deans are the worst of all. Careerism is the religion, and the definitive need to be ever more avant garde in publications directs a undying groupthink. With the humanities, the degeneration didn't necessarily ooze to the totality of society, but with law, they can force you to care much more easily.

Posted by: The modern West is a Wasteland at December 05, 2020 05:07 PM (BBWrU)

556 Loeffler is at the Trump rally in Valdosta. Possible Perdue sighting also.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 05:07 PM (Y8GVo)

557 542: Putting aside fraud and the elimination of ballot security / integrity measures: (1) Trump had headwinds in AZ from the remnants of the McCain machine and AZ will be an increasingly difficult battleground for the GOP going forward; (2) Georgia is becoming a southern version of Illinois, as Atlanta and its collar counties swallow up the vote in the rest of the state; GA is a battleground going forward as these trends continue.

To be competitive, the GOP needs to win the rust-belt going forward. Hard to see how the GOPe corporatist luminaries can manage that -- GOPe support for big business / China outshoring / foreign wars kills it in MI / WI / PA. GOP needs to embrace the Trump coalition to win, but they don't want to do that.

Posted by: Revenant at December 05, 2020 05:10 PM (+nZa8)

558
Loeffler is at the Trump rally in Valdosta. Possible Perdue sighting also.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 05:07 PM (Y8GVo)

Well powder my butt and call me Fanny. THAT is something I did not expect. WOW. Hopefully something good comes of them showing up.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 05:11 PM (946rW)

559 Not saying the funny business was limited to the big 4, just saying that's where it's most important.

My expectation of a wave did not include winning CA, MA, NY, or NJ. I don't think such a wave can happen today, it's not 1980 or 1984, or 1972. Different country.

Picking up MN, and NV, and maybe VA and NM - as I hoped for and half-expected - that's a wave in today's America.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2020 05:11 PM (OTzUX)

560 "To be competitive, the GOP needs to win the rust-belt going forward. "

Trump showed that this can be done. Just need fair voting.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 05, 2020 05:12 PM (9TdxA)

561 Revenant, exactly my fears, on all counts. The Midwest stuff especially.

And weren't the Senate races the whole point of the GA rally? Why wouldn't the two candidates be there?

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2020 05:13 PM (OTzUX)

562 Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2020 04:58 PM (OTzUX)

- NH (R +46) in state Legislature in 2020
- Biden won NH

lel

Posted by: bat nationalist at December 05, 2020 05:13 PM (ZQ/FE)

563 And weren't the Senate races the whole point of the GA rally? Why wouldn't the two candidates be there?

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2020 05:13 PM (OTzUX)

This is a stop the steal rally no matter what it was meant to be.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 05:14 PM (946rW)

564 Georgia is becoming a southern version of Illinois, as Atlanta and its
collar counties swallow up the vote in the rest of the state
---
Is there any reason to believe that, or CA as mentioned earlier, are the result of voters rather than Democrat control of the election process allowing for unimpeded ballot stuffing (in whatever form)?

Posted by: Methos at December 05, 2020 05:14 PM (kOpft)

565 Hispanic and Black support can grow. They're beginning to see that the Ds are against their interests.

We may learn that support for Ds in Deep Blue cities is actually not strong, and has been manufactured with fraud.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 05, 2020 05:15 PM (9TdxA)

566 The illegals voting in CA may or may not have made the difference but the cheat pushed it over the line. There was massive cheating in CA

Posted by: Braenyard at December 05, 2020 05:17 PM (CZm2G)

567 >>Loeffler is at the Trump rally in Valdosta. Possible Perdue sighting also.

We'll be over at the hot dog stand. Closest thing to a bag of dicks we could find.

Posted by: Kelly and Dave at December 05, 2020 05:19 PM (0FTCx)

568 564: Its hard to say. I think that 2016 provides a good example / test case, because Trump won, and it is sometimes speculated that Trump's win was (in part) because the Dems were so overconfident, they didn't feel the need to push the vote fraud so much.
Even so, the Dems handily won the blue states (absent the rust belt) in 2016. I don't think states like CA and NY and NJ are really voting red at the presidential level, but the Rs are losing because of vote fraud.

Posted by: Revenant at December 05, 2020 05:21 PM (+nZa8)

569 One reason I had feeling Trump would win in these 4 states was Government over reach in Covid-19 lockdowns

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2020 05:29 PM (9sWOw)

570 Sonny Perdue is babbling about the "firewall".

Fuck you. My vote goes to them ONLY if they call for an audit and revote. And stand against fraud.

Loeffler is babbling. This is your only chance, Beijing Barbie.

Make it count.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at December 05, 2020 05:31 PM (Y8GVo)

571 Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2020 02:42 PM (QoPXA)

My new Zline hood is U.S. made. And I mean the real US, not Colorado or Vermont or something.

Posted by: clutch at December 05, 2020 05:35 PM (9UmRs)

572 @LLinWood

Imagine that! An unnamed partner of Momentum Partners, LLC is falsely accusing me of being a swindler! Check out the company. I did. Company does a lot of business buying & selling Communist China stocks.

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/
1335349902671552515

Posted by: Braenyard at December 05, 2020 05:40 PM (CZm2G)

573 ===Georgia is becoming a southern version of Illinois, as Atlanta and its
collar counties swallow up the vote in the rest of the state

No

Posted by: bat nationalist at December 05, 2020 05:41 PM (ZQ/FE)

574 If Loefftler and Perdue lose and Trump wins, the Senate will be 50/50 and Pence breaks the tie.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 05, 2020 05:56 PM (CZm2G)

575 Look at the national county map.
That's the way the national and local vote would be everywhere if not for the cheating.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 05, 2020 05:57 PM (CZm2G)

576 >>If Loefftler and Perdue lose and Trump wins, the Senate will be 50/50 and Pence breaks the tie.

Posted by: Braenyard

Wanna bet?

Posted by: Mittens Romney at December 05, 2020 06:03 PM (0FTCx)

577 In a rational world this is all the evidence necessary to over turn this election.

"Bullies chased out witnesses"

https://twitter.com/i/status/1335225504899739649

Posted by: Braenyard - Bullies chased out witnesses. It was not a free & fair election at December 05, 2020 06:06 PM (CZm2G)

578 Wanna bet?
Posted by: Mittens Romney at December 05, 2020 06:03 PM (0FTCx)

I'm glad you showed your cowardly face you PoS. I'm sure UT will have to hold a special election to replace you, cuz you're going to prison. FU

Posted by: clutch at December 05, 2020 06:08 PM (9UmRs)

579 "They do not understand the fragility of civilization and the constant nearness of savage nature". So true!.

Yet 2016 presidential elections has her firmly supporting socialist Bernie Sanders.
Hillary came distant second to Bernie for Camille.
Trump weren't even on the map for Camille.
Go figure.

Posted by: x y at December 06, 2020 10:14 AM (c6TvK)

580 It makes perfect sense when you realize that the establishment is antiwhite.

Posted by: NoWhiteGuilt.org at December 06, 2020 09:32 PM (ZUBUX)

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