Sunday Morning Book Thread 11-24-2019

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National Library, Israel


Good morning to all you 'rons, 'ettes, lurkers, and lurkettes, wine moms, frat bros, crétins sans pantalon (who are technically breaking the rules), rapscallions, blackguards, miscreants, and assorted ne'er-do-wells. Welcome once again to the stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, a weekly compendium of reviews, observations, snark, witty repartee, hilarious bon mots, and a continuing conversation on books, reading, spending way too much money on books, writing books, and publishing books by escaped oafs and oafettes who follow words with their fingers and whose lips move as they read. Unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even if it's, these pants, which I offer to you all in the spirit of Thanksgiving. The only thing missing is a little gravy. And maybe some cranberry sauce.



Pic Note:

Israel is moving her national library to a new home across from the Knesset and Israel Museum. Construction is scheduled for completion in 2020, so what you're looking at in the photo is just the architect's drawing and doesn't exist -- yet:

Designed by Swiss firm Herzog & de Meuron, the new, six-story, 45,000-square-meter structure — which will include 400 underground parking spaces — will be an inviting, low-slung structure with a three-level reading room and a full-sized auditorium that opens to an outer garden and a separate children’s space...

The library’s mission is to hold copies of all materials published in Israel, in any language, as well as anything published about Israel, the Land of Israel, Judaism and the Jewish people and any material published in Hebrew or in any languages spoken in the Jewish Diaspora.



Also, the impeachment hearings made me feel this way. Kind of like this:




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A carefully preserved, 11th century Old Testament, part of the National Library of Israel's collection



Blowback

27 I'm reading "The Plot Against the President" by Lee Smith. Good points: Absolutely riveting, full of information that I did not know (and it is really the only story I have been absorbed with for the past two years). One example - the "insurance policy" is actually some FBI operation that we as yet know nothing about. Reads like a thriller.

Bad points: If the coup plotters are not brought to justice, I'm ready to take up arms.

Really the most important book you can read this year. And I'd also recommend a very special SMBT focused on 3 books: Ball of Collusion by Andrew McCarthy, Resistance (At All Costs) by Kim Strassel, and this Lee Smith book.
br<>It's a coup, and the same group that failed with Russia are working the exact same playbook with Ukraine.

Posted by: motionview at November 10, 2019 09:13 AM (pYQR/)

I agree that a roundup of these books is a good idea. It's good to know that there's a lot of pushback on the TDS-laden narratives being pushed by the Democrat/progessive/media complex.

The Plot Against the President: The True Story of How Congressman Devin Nunes Uncovered the Biggest Political Scandal in U.S. History by investigative journalists Lee Smith covered a couple of Sundays ago. Clinton goon/henchman Sid Blumenthal threatened to sue because he claimed it was 'defamatory'. Anyway, Lee Smith's book

...tells the story of how Congressman Devin Nunes uncovered the operation to bring down the commander-in-chief. While popular opinion holds that Russia subverted democratic processes during the 2016 elections, the real damage was done not by Moscow or any other foreign actor. Rather, this was a slow-moving coup engineered by a coterie of the American elite, the "deep state," targeting not only the president, but also the rest of the country. The plot officially began July 31, 2016 with the counterintelligence investigation that the FBI opened to probe Russian infiltration of Donald Trump's presidential campaign. But the bureau never followed any Russians. In fact, it was an operation to sabotage Trump, the candidate, then president-elect, and finally the presidency. The conspirators included political operatives, law enforcement and intelligence officials, and the press.

Also, Andrew McCarthy's Ball of Collusion: The Plot to Rig an Election and Destroy a Presidency, which explains how

The real collusion in the 2016 election was not between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. It was between the Clinton campaign and the Obama administration.

The media–Democrat “collusion narrative,” which paints Donald Trump as cat’s paw of Russia, is a studiously crafted illusion.

Despite Clinton’s commanding lead in the polls, hyper-partisan intelligence officials decided they needed an “insurance policy” against a Trump presidency. Thus was born the collusion narrative, built on an anonymously sourced “dossier,” secretly underwritten by the Clinton campaign and compiled by a former British spy. Though acknowledged to be “salacious and unverified” at the FBI’s highest level, the dossier was used to build a counterintelligence investigation against Trump’s campaign.

Another moron, I forget who, mentioned a few weeks back that one of McCarthy's problems is that he can never seem to see any wrongdoing by the FBI. I remember when James Comey came forward and said 'yeah, Hillary broke the law right and left, but we're not going to recommend prosecution because we can't prove intent' and McCarthy was one of the first ones out of the box proclaiming that Comey was a tower of integrity and his puzzlement at his actions. I wonder what he thinks about Comey now that he's demonstrated that he's basically a lying sh*tweasel. But McCarthy's problematic judgment in this one area wouldn't necessarily mean that this book isn't worth reading.

Next up, one that wasn't on motionview's list, but worthy of mention: Witch Hunt: The Story of the Greatest Mass Delusion in American Political History

In Witch Hunt, Gregg Jarrett uncovers the bureaucratic malfeasance and malicious politicization of our country’s justice system. The law was weaponized for partisan purposes. Even though it was Hillary Clinton’s campaign that collected and disseminated a trove of lies about Trump from a former British spy and Russian operatives, Democrats and the media spun this into a claim that Trump was working for the Russians.

Senior officials at the FBI, blinded by their political bias and hatred of Trump, went after the wrong person. At the DOJ, the deputy attorney general discussed secretly recording the president and recruiting members of the cabinet to depose Trump. Those behind the Witch Hunt have either been fired or resigned. Many of them are now under investigation for abuse of power. But what about the pundits who concocted wild narratives in real time on television, or the newspapers which covered the fact that rumors were being investigated without investigating the facts themselves?

Jarrett is also the author of the earlier bestseller The Russia Hoax: The Illicit Scheme to Clear Hillary Clinton and Frame Donald Trump

The third book mentioned by motionview is Resistance (At All Costs): How Trump Haters Are Breaking America by Kimberly Strassel, who argues that

...the all-out "Resistance" has become dangerously reckless in its obstruction of President Trump.

Among the most consistent and aggressive criticisms of Donald Trump is that he is a threat to American democracy -- a human wrecking ball demolishing our most basic values and institutions. Resistance (At All Costs) makes the opposite case -- that it is Trump's critics, in their zeal to oppose the president, who are undermining our foundations.

From the FBI's unprecedented counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign, to bureaucratic sabotage, to media partisanship, to the drive-by character assassination of Trump nominee Brett Kavanaugh, the president's foes have thrown aside norms, due process and the rule of law.

Resistance (At All Costs) shows that the reaction to Trump will prove far more consequential and damaging to our nation long-term than Trump's time in office.

And I don't think that progressives understand the damage they've caused. They've turned the mainstream media into a laughingstock, trusted by nobody and derided by all. The Kavanaugh hearings and the impeachment farce reveals the clown show congress, whom no one can take seriously. Worse, it shows how much they've weaponized the federal government, as if they'll never be out of power and the tools they've built for the destruction of others can't ever be used against them.

Just for fun, here is Triggered: How the Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us. From his guest appearance on The Henhouse View earlier this week, it is obviously he's inherited his father's combative spirit and ability to identifty and reject whatever progressive narrative they demand he accept:

In Triggered, Donald Trump, Jr. will expose all the tricks that the left uses to smear conservatives and push them out of the public square, from online "shadow banning" to fake accusations of "hate speech."

[He writes] about the importance of fighting back and standing up for what you believe in. From his childhood summers in Communist Czechoslovakia that began his political thought process, to working on construction sites with his father, to the major achievements of President Trump's administration, Donald Trump, Jr. spares no details and delivers a book that focuses on success and perseverance, and proves offense is the best defense.

This is what has always bugged me about RINOs like Romney and McCain, and, for the most part, George W. Bush: they seem to not be bothered by their tacit acceptance of the progressive nonsense in order to achieve some sort of common understanding ("reaching across the aisle") or furtherance of the conversation, while the progressives aren't doing any kind of compromising whatsoever. So, step by step, inch by inch, we're being dragged inexorably leftward. Don Jr. and his pop both seem to have an instinctive understanding that by accepting the left's framing of the issues, you've already lost. Or, perhaps, President has an instinctive understanding of this, while Don Jr. has brought it up to the conscious level. He's actually self-aware about this, and knows what he's doing. Which, I think ultimately makes him a more dangerous adversary than his old man.



Who Dis:

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Last Sunday's 'Who Dis' was the Grand Moff Tarkin himself, Peter Cushing. He's reading Creepy magazine. Anyone else remember Creepy magazine? It was the kind of comic book that parents complained about.



On Boggies

Boggies are an unattractive but annoying people whose numbers have decreased rather precipitously since the bottom fell out of the fairy-tale market. Slow and sullen, and yet dull, they prefer to lead simple lives of pastoral squalor...As for the boggies of the Sty, with whom we are chiefly concerned, they are unusually drab, dressing in shiny gray suits with narrow lapels, alpine hats, and string ties. They wear no shoes, and they walk on a pair of hairy blunt instruments which can only be called feet because of the position they occupy at the end of their legs...They love to eat and drink, play mumblety-peg with dim-witted quadrupeds, and tell off-color dwarf jokes. They give dull parties and cheap presents, and they enjoy the same general regard and esteem as a dead otter...It is plain that boggies are relatives of ours, standing somewhere along the evolutionary line that leads from rats to wolverines and eventually to Italians, but what our exact relationship is cannot be told.

There were a number of quotes in the comments in last week's thread from the Harvard Lampoon's hilarious parody Bored of the Rings. I first read this classic back in the 70s and there is a laugh on almost every page. I'm thinking of putting up a quote from BOTR for the next few weeks. There's just a ton of material. I can pick a page at random and they'll be something laugh-out-loud funny I can use.




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Moron Recommendations

36 I just finished a really fun book: _The Book of Swindles_, by Zhang Yingyu (translated by Christopher Rea and Bruce Rusk). It was written around the time of the Jamestown colony, and it's a compendium of con games and dodges in Ming China.

Some of the cons are familiar favorites, like the classic "drop the pigeon" scam. Others depend on Chinese culture to work: pretending to be the servant of the official in charge of grading civil service exams, in order to get bribes from candidates.

And some of them are flat-out crazy: having your daughter seduce a young aristocrat so your descendants can hijack his ancestors' spiritual power. Or Daoist monks using magic to appear to people in dreams and thereby sucker them into being friends so they can rob them.

Highly recommended.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 17, 2019 09:13 AM (b3VIz)

The Amazon blurb elucidates:

The Book of Swindles, compiled by an obscure writer from southern China, presents a fascinating tableau of criminal ingenuity. The flourishing economy of the late Ming period created overnight fortunes for merchants—and gave rise to a host of smooth operators, charlatans, forgers, and imposters seeking to siphon off some of the new wealth... Each story comes with commentary by the author, Zhang Yingyu, who expounds a moral lesson while also speaking as a connoisseur of the swindle. This volume, which contains annotated translations of just over half of the eighty-odd stories in Zhang's original collection, provides a wealth of detail on social life during the late Ming and offers words of warning for a world in peril.

This really does sound like a fascinating look into another time and another culture. The Book of Swindles: Selections from a Late Ming Collection is available on Kindle for $14.49. Also paperback for $25.00.


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89 Reading Neil Postman's Entertaining Ourselves to Death, which has been on my reading list since I was young.

It's really quite good. The first half is dedicated to the exploration of the effects the medium used for information transmission in a society has on that society as a whole and the mental habits and reasoning practices of its constituent members. The impact of the spoken word, the written word and of the image are explored, and the utility of memory and the way community is construed and truth perceived as a consequence is described and evidenced.


Postman is a liberal, and it comes through at times, but he is a true professor, and his analyis and thoughts are clear and useful and mostly true. He does have a luddite strain which comes through much more strongly in his lectures than his book.

Highly recommended. Goes far beyond an analysis of television to an exploration of how we conceive and organize thought and orient to the world.

Posted by: .87c at November 17, 2019 09:41 AM (TDP3i)

Originally published in 1985, Neil Postman’s groundbreaking polemic about the corrosive effects of television on our politics and public discourse has been hailed as a twenty-first-century book published in the twentieth century. Now, with television joined by more sophisticated electronic media—from the Internet to cell phones to DVDs—it has taken on even greater significance. Amusing Ourselves to Death is a prophetic look at what happens when politics, journalism, education, and even religion become subject to the demands of entertainment. It is also a blueprint for regaining control of our media, so that they can serve our highest goals.

Postman may be a liberal, but this book was written back when liberals produced works of actual scholarship, rather than just parroting the latest woke fads.

Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business is on Kindle for $13.99.

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Would you volunteer for Auschwitz? I mean, would you leave your wife and family and get yourself arrested by the Nazis specifically for the purpose of getting sent there, not really knowing what was in there, for intelligence gathering, sabotage, and possibly leading a prison revolt?

Meet Polish patriot Witold Pilecki:

To uncover the fate of the thousands being interred at a mysterious Nazi camp on the border of the Reich, a thirty-nine-year-old Polish resistance fighter named Witold Pilecki volunteered for an audacious mission: assume a fake identity, intentionally get captured and sent to the new camp, and then report back to the underground on what had happened to his compatriots there. But gathering information was not his only task: he was to execute an attack from inside—where the Germans would least expect it.

Over the next two and half years, Pilecki forged an underground army within Auschwitz that sabotaged facilities, assassinated Nazi informants and officers, and gathered evidence of terrifying abuse and mass murder. But as he pieced together the horrifying truth that the camp was to become the epicenter of Nazi plans to exterminate Europe’s Jews, Pilecki realized he would have to risk his men, his life, and his family to warn the West before all was lost. To do so, meant attempting the impossible—an escape from Auschwitz itself.

Pileki's story is told in the book The Volunteer: One Man, an Underground Army, and the Secret Mission to Destroy Auschwitz.

Spoilers: He managed to survive Auschwitz, and live to see the end of WWII. But then the commies showed up:

Witold was among those arrested by the secret police of the Communist government, and was charged with treason on May 12th, 1947. He was tortured, interrogated, and isolated. The last time he saw his wife Maria was when he was put on his show trial on March 3rd, 1948. He told her, “Auschwitz was just a game compared to this.”

So the commies murdered him on May 25th, 1948.

The world is not going to be set right until people realize that, as bad as nazis are, commies are actually worse.

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Books By Morons


A lurking 'ette author emailed me earlier this week:

I have a new [novel] out, Simple Service. It's a science fiction tale of a lost colony world and the start of a new series, Martha's Sons. The titles are taken from the Kipling poem, The Sons of Martha.

This is the blurb she sent me, which is also what you'll read on Amazon:

A lost starship. A lost colony.

Two factions. One expendable son.

When the colony’s governor requisitions the colonists’ personal weapons, Peter Dawe’s father sets him a simple task. Get their weapon back.

But the Marss have all the technology, and Peter, a second generation colonist, the youngest of ten, the expendable son, must contend with the guard, palace politics, and his biggest problem of all, Simon, his brother.


Simple Service (Martha's Sons Book 1) is available on Kindle for $2.99.

That poem by Kiping she referenced, The Sons of Martha, is an interesting take on the 'Mary vs. Martha' account in Luke 10:38-42.

You can check out Laura's other science fiction novels on her Amazon page, including the sequel to Simple Service, Long in the Land.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, insults, threats, ugly pants pics and moron library submissions may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.




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1 Early

Posted by: Dread0 at November 24, 2019 08:57 AM (thwGF)

2 Nice

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 24, 2019 08:58 AM (cqNba)

3 !

Posted by: JT at November 24, 2019 08:59 AM (arJlL)

4 Currently on a re-read of the Elemental Masters series by Mercedes Lackey. Currently on book 6. Will stop when I get to the ones that are > $10.

Posted by: Vic at November 24, 2019 08:59 AM (mpXpK)

5 Good thing that new library will have all that parking, because parking in Jerusalem is not easy.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 24, 2019 08:59 AM (EZebt)

6 Good morning my fellow Book Threadists. Hope everyone had a great week of reading.

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 08:59 AM (bmdz3)

7 Shirley MacLaine

Posted by: CN at November 24, 2019 09:00 AM (U7k5w)

8 That lieberry looks like the spaceship in that crappy movie with Dick Dreyfuss.

Love the pants!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 24, 2019 09:00 AM (Z+IKu)

9 'These pants' are disturbing. Never thought someone would want to have legs that look like orange turkey drumsticks.

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:01 AM (bmdz3)

10 Shirley MacLaine

Posted by: grammie winger at November 24, 2019 09:02 AM (lwiT4)

11 Shirley McLane

Posted by: JT at November 24, 2019 09:02 AM (arJlL)

12 drat!

Posted by: grammie winger at November 24, 2019 09:02 AM (lwiT4)

13 Who dis: Shirley McClain.

Posted by: Vic at November 24, 2019 09:02 AM (mpXpK)

14 Up and at 'em!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 09:03 AM (cfSRQ)

15 Library looks like a home for wayward space aliens.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 24, 2019 09:03 AM (lwiT4)

16 Anyway, I am currently reading another recommendation by A.H. LLoyd , Homage to Catalonia. It is interesting to see the "training" his group received in light of the sympathetic view painted by anarchists (my cousin's late husband was one). Of course, Orwell is very readable and does not get bogged down in the tactical details that would probably thrill our military historians.

Posted by: CN at November 24, 2019 09:04 AM (U7k5w)

17 That 1,000 year old Old Testament has held up better than a lot of 10 year old paperbacks I have. Devinity or maybe today's books are printed on shit.

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:05 AM (bmdz3)

18 Will the Dead Sea Scrolls be included in the library, or they in a museum?

Posted by: grammie winger at November 24, 2019 09:06 AM (lwiT4)

19 The world is not going to be set right until people realize that, as bad as nazis are, commies are actually worse.

This is the dirty little secret that our in house totalitarians do their best to obscure.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 24, 2019 09:07 AM (y7DUB)

20 Harvard Lampoon used to be funny....now it reads like prophecy.

Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2019 09:08 AM (X/Pw5)

21 As for another book on Auschwitz, I'd rather not. My husband will go to his deathbed binge watching Holocaust movies and documentaries, but will remain blind to most current threats to Jews, Israel and Freedom. Like many people, he is still fighting the last war despite the fact that nearly all the combatants and survivors are dead.

Posted by: CN at November 24, 2019 09:08 AM (U7k5w)

22 18
Will the Dead Sea Scrolls be included in the library, or they in a museum?


Posted by: grammie winger at November 24, 2019 09:06 AM (lwiT4)

The original Dead Sea Scrolls are in a museum. But as translations are made to modern language those are posted for public reading.

Posted by: Vic at November 24, 2019 09:08 AM (mpXpK)

23 The Nazis are dead, the communist totalitarians are among us.

Posted by: CN at November 24, 2019 09:09 AM (U7k5w)

24 Thanks Vic.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 24, 2019 09:09 AM (lwiT4)

25 The original Dead Sea Scrolls are in a museum. But as translations are made to modern language those are posted for public reading.
Posted by: Vic

like, at bus stops ?

Posted by: JT at November 24, 2019 09:09 AM (arJlL)

26 Beautiful design of the library of Israel
Booken morgen horden

Posted by: VM's phone at November 24, 2019 09:09 AM (G546f)

27 Having finished Orwell, I'm re-reading LoTR. This is a bit overdue as I used to go through it annually but have skipped it for a few years. This time through I'm paying attention to the writing style, the flow, dialogue and description.

It's like listening to a favorite song and picking out the elements I rarely notice.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 09:10 AM (cfSRQ)

28 Little Winger got to examine a small fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls when he was in college. Way cool.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 24, 2019 09:11 AM (lwiT4)

29 OM, Please include weekly quotes from Bored of the Rings. I'm sure the majority of fine folks here will recognize them and smile. Then go dig out our old copies.

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:12 AM (bmdz3)

30 That 1,000 year old Old Testament has held up better than a lot of 10 year old paperbacks I have. Devinity or maybe today's books are printed on shit.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:05 AM (bmdz3)


It's probably parchment.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 09:15 AM (t+qrx)

31 In writing news...ugh.

A week ago I was on the cusp of 37,000 words and hoping to punch through 40,000 and have the book well on its way to completion.

Then I got sick. Some stupid sinus/throat crud that was just irritating enough that I couldn't concentrate on writing. I could come here and comment, do work at my job well enough, but the involved, immersive writing I need for a story about vampires was out of my reach.

Last night I finally punched out 1,000 words and hopefully a short work week will let me stay on schedule. Vampires of Michigan will NOT be an angst-filled gore-fest but something a little different. I don't know how to describe it. I've got a bit of humor in it, and one of its themes is the burden of immortality and how people would deal with it.

Anyhow, we'll see.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 09:15 AM (cfSRQ)

32 The last couple of weeks I have read the 8 books in the "DC Smith" books by Peter Grainger. They feature a rather rumpled, old school British detective, a widower, somewhat adrift in a sea of modernizations. He's a wistful, compelling character, and I was sad when the series ended.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 24, 2019 09:15 AM (lwiT4)

33 Still plowing my way through Tom Jones and am enjoying every bit of it, most recently Fielding referring to Sophia's aunt's preference of financially advantageous marriages "the Wisdom of legal Prostitution for Hire". There is no fucking way this could be taught at the higher indoctrination centers today without making the SJWs scurry around like a bunch of drug test rats frantically looking for a safe space.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 24, 2019 09:16 AM (y7DUB)

34 I finished reading Red Metal, by Mark Greaney.

I can't recommend this book enough.

it was GREAT !

Posted by: JT at November 24, 2019 09:17 AM (arJlL)

35 I am now reading The Glory Game by Frank Gifford.

About the 1958 NFL Championship game.

Its pretty good.

Posted by: JT at November 24, 2019 09:19 AM (arJlL)

36 One other thing!

A while back a bunch of folks bought Battle Officer Wolf and some were not only kind enough to leave positive reviews, but also email me asking about a sequel.

I finished the story where I did because it was my first novel and I was afraid if I tried to make it too long, I'd never finish.

I've gotten a lot more practice since then.

All of which is another way of saying: yes, I think it's time to finish the saga and write Battle Officer Wolf Book 2.

This decision add extra urgency to my need to get Vampires of Michigan out of the way. Just as fall is a great time to write about vampires, I think winter is an ideal season for recounting the deeds of Nordic warriors...in space.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 09:19 AM (cfSRQ)

37 27 ... "Having finished Orwell, I'm re-reading LoTR. This is a bit overdue as I used to go through it annually but have skipped it for a few years. This time through I'm paying attention to the writing style, the flow, dialogue and description.

It's like listening to a favorite song and picking out the elements I rarely notice."

A.H. Lloyd,
How timely. I'm starting my 50-plus re-reading of LOTR. But this year I'm listening to the unabridged audio CD version read by Rob Inglis. I'm hoping the audio will bring out elements I've been missing or at least provide a different approach. I've listened to enough of his reading to know he does an excellent job. And with my new hearing aids, I won't miss any nuances to the sound.

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:19 AM (bmdz3)

38
* stumbles in *

* observes numerous side-eyes *

* realizes he's wearing sweatpants *

* departs as expeditiously as possible without being obvious *

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 24, 2019 09:20 AM (DMUuz)

39 I found a copy of the New Oxford Annotated Bible at a thrift store for $1. I think I like it but I haven't gotten too deep into it. It will probably take at least a couple of days to finish, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Chick-fil-A is hoping the left eats them last at November 24, 2019 09:21 AM (Hl0hh)

40 Anyone else out there like me? Before I choose a book, I check to see if it is part of a series. I much prefer series.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 24, 2019 09:23 AM (lwiT4)

41 Ball of Collusion is well worth reading, but McCarthy is an insufferable FBI jock sniffer, despite the abundant evidence of its utter corruption throughout its history, including Hoover, Whitey Bulger, Waco, Ruby Ridge, LaVoy Finicum, the numerous Clinton coverups and the fake "Russian collusion" conspiracy. When it hasn't clearly been corrupt, it has often been incompetent, including Hanssen, 9/11 and Parkland.

Yet McCarthy writes of Strzok's "insurance policy" text message, "This is such a damning comment - a shocking one for those of us who revere the FBI". After almost 200 pages of documenting massive misconduct pervading the FBI's highest levels, he drops this non-sequitur: "[FBI agents'] opinions frequently deserve more respectful attention than the average person's because they tend to be better informed and more-community-minded - patriotism, fidelity to the Constitution and service to their fellow citizens being ingrained in the FBI's DNA".

McCarthy also has a bromance with Comey, saying "I have known, worked with, liked, and admired Jim Comey for 30 years". Teenage boy band groupies have more objectivity (and shame) than McCarthy does towards the FBI.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 24, 2019 09:23 AM (UGKMd)

42 aiieee those pants!

I am reading Monster Hunter Guardian, which is Sarah Hoyt's collab on the series

Posted by: vmom happy to have college kid home at November 24, 2019 09:23 AM (G546f)

43 Apropos of the book thread, I read a book entitled The Reader by Bernhard Schlenk, trans. from the German by Carol Brown Janeway. A fifteen-year old boy becomes sick while coming home from school. He is helped by a woman, Hannah Schmitz, and eventually they become lovers until Hannah disappears. Years later Hannah reappears in a most unlikely setting which opens philosophical and moral complexities. An engaging, short novel.

On the Kindle I read New World, the third in The Survivors series by Nathan Hystad. The story moves along a bit as the people of Earth are forced to move to a new planet. The series is just interesting enough for me to continue with it.


Finally, I read David McCullough's latest, The Pioneers: The Historic Story of the Settlers Who Brought the American Ideal West. This is a history of the establishment of Marieta, Ohio, based on the principals of freedom of religion, free universal education, and the prohibition of slavery included in The Northwest Territory ceded by Britain to the U. S. The expansion from this settlement throughout the Ohio River Valley, and Ohio itself, is also covered. As usual, McCullough's scholarship and writing is impeccable.

Posted by: Zoltan at November 24, 2019 09:23 AM (MikIT)

44 I think winter is an ideal season for recounting the deeds of Nordic warriors...in space.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 09:19 AM


Particularly the quaffing of Cream of Lutefisk soup. Indeed.

Posted by: Thorvald at November 24, 2019 09:23 AM (DMUuz)

45 Having discovered Charles Portis recently I have fallen in love with him. I would recommend all morons to take a read on The Dog of the South. You will glad that you did.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 24, 2019 09:24 AM (QZCjk)

46 Anyone else out there like me? Before I choose a book, I check to see if it is part of a series. I much prefer series.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 24, 2019 09:23 AM (lwiT4)

--

I always check to make sure the protagonist dies so the story can't be ruined later.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Chick-fil-A is hoping the left eats them last at November 24, 2019 09:24 AM (Hl0hh)

47 " McCarthy was one of the first ones out of the box proclaiming that Comey was a tower of integrity and his puzzlement at his actions. I wonder what he thinks about Comey now that he's demonstrated that he's basically a lying sh*tweasel. But McCarthy's problematic judgment in this one area wouldn't necessarily mean that this book isn't worth reading."
________

I'm pretty sure I've both read and heard him admit he was wrong about that, and said he just couldn't believe people he'd known would do it. But admitted they had.

It's a common enough theme in fiction, the scales falling from your eyes.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 24, 2019 09:24 AM (ZbwAu)

48 A carefully preserved, 11th century Old Testament, part of the National Library of Israel's collection

That's beautiful. Us lefties must have been very valuable at one point.

Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2019 09:25 AM (cfSLd)

49 Moron Robbie - heh

Posted by: grammie winger at November 24, 2019 09:25 AM (lwiT4)

50 Wouldn't you like to know if there are any capitals hidden behind that book ...

Posted by: zombie t.s. elliott at November 24, 2019 09:25 AM (DMUuz)

51 I like the "A good man makes you smile" chalkboard. I would've liked to have seen the one on women that they did later.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Chick-fil-A is hoping the left eats them last at November 24, 2019 09:25 AM (Hl0hh)

52 The Volunteer goes on my to read pile

Posted by: vmom happy to have college kid home at November 24, 2019 09:26 AM (G546f)

53 Good morning book people!

My fun read this week is something I found spelunking in my Kindle. It's "Second Star" by Dana Stabenow, a Heinleinian tale of an L5 colony nearing completion and turnover. The independent cusses who built it are culturally at odds with Terra at this point and are feeling vulnerable to a military takeover. It has many little nods to "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress". I enjoyed the Sam Spade-level snark that flowed from team leader Star Svensdottir's observations:

"She had mousy brown hair slicked back in a severe bun, a style she fondly imagined made her look like Tatiana Romanova of the Bolshoi Ballet but really made her look like a diamondback in molt, only not as cute."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Living the Good Life in the Off-World Colonies at November 24, 2019 09:26 AM (vhcul)

54 "They've turned the mainstream media into a laughingstock, trusted by nobody and derided by all."
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Unfortunately, we're not there yet. We're making progress, but there are still plenty of NPCs out there. The just changed my state into Virginiafornia.

I don't get it. But then, at my age, if I haven't by now, I guess I never will.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 24, 2019 09:27 AM (ZbwAu)

55 Those pants are fine. I would wear them to barbeque in your back yard.

Posted by: the turkey at November 24, 2019 09:28 AM (Tnijr)

56 Deez Pants look like a pair of Early Jacobean knee-breeches, albeit ones that have been put together by a particularly inompetent tailor.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 24, 2019 09:28 AM (3Z6pZ)

57 By coincidence, I just finished " The volunteer:One man, an Underground army, and secret Mission to Destroy Auschwitz". Highly recommend this book.

Posted by: remonkey at November 24, 2019 09:28 AM (KL1FG)

58 I didn't know Stabenow wrote SF

Posted by: vmom happy to have college kid home at November 24, 2019 09:28 AM (G546f)

59 Hiya Eris !

Posted by: JT at November 24, 2019 09:28 AM (arJlL)

60 I always check to make sure the protagonist dies so the story can't be ruined later.

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Honestly, I think it was Pohl's Heechee saga that did that to me. The first three books were so fascinating, and then he kept writing.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Chick-fil-A is hoping the left eats them last at November 24, 2019 09:28 AM (Hl0hh)

61 16
Anyway, I am currently reading another recommendation by A.H. LLoyd ,
Homage to Catalonia. It is interesting to see the "training" his group
received in light of the sympathetic view painted by anarchists (my
cousin's late husband was one). Of course, Orwell is very readable and
does not get bogged down in the tactical details that would probably
thrill our military historians.

Posted by: CN at November 24, 2019 09:04 AM (U7k5w)

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Having been through Army basic training gives additional perspective on that section of the book.

What comes across is that the militia is both undisciplined AND incompetent in the use of weapons, which is a pretty lethal combination (for them, not the enemy).

Americans tend to think of militia in terms of the Revolutionary War mythos - poor discipline, lack of respect for authority, but well-versed in their weapons.

The Spanish didn't know how to drill or shoot and it showed.

Orwell's observations about the Nationalists also had a short shelf life. As the sides settled in for a formal war, the Nationalists began drawing on monarchists, militant Catholics and the Falange to bolster their lines, building superior discipline and combat power.

But in the first winter, a lot of troops (who were conscripts) were on the side they happened to be stationed on when the coup was launched, so desertion to and fro was common.

What Orwell condemned about the professionalization of the war was a practical necessity. I don't just mean in fighting power, but in basic sanitation. His stories about soldiers taking a dump wherever it was convenient would create horrible outbreaks of disease if left unchecked.

One reason why even volunteers need discipline is to that they don't pee in the drinking water or take a dump upstream of the washing area.

Diseases has historically been far more dangerous to armies than combat.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 09:30 AM (cfSRQ)

62 Hiya JT!

vmom, this is my first Stabenow book and I just learned she wrote many mysteries set in Alaska. The character Star is originally from Alaska, so she has that frontier Leave Me the Eff Alone mentality.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Living the Good Life in the Off-World Colonies at November 24, 2019 09:30 AM (vhcul)

63 53: RBG! A Diamondbacks in molt

Posted by: CN at November 24, 2019 09:30 AM (5wOoy)

64 So a serious question to members of the Horde who are scholars on ancient Rome: Who is PDT? Not Caesar, but who?

Posted by: jmel at November 24, 2019 09:32 AM (OeWgo)

65 I actually checked out the audio version of The Plot Against The President Through Overdrive. Unfortunately, I was only able to listen to a couple of chapters due to preparing for the celebration of birthdays and Thanksgiving.
What I did listen to was extremely disturbing. At first, I was thinking that the political class and bureaucrats don't understand what they're doing. Now I truly believe that they know exactly what they're doing but don't understand the consequences of their actions.
Even if Trump wins a second term, I know of no other person willing to fight the establishment like our President.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front, Unbanned Chapter at November 24, 2019 09:33 AM (vGJY7)

66 So a serious question to members of the Horde who are scholars on ancient Rome: Who is PDT? Not Caesar, but who?
Posted by: jmel at November 24, 2019 09:32 AM (OeWgo)
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The Gracchi, perhaps? I don't think there is a clear analogue.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 24, 2019 09:34 AM (3Z6pZ)

67 Been reading Mathew Hughes The Commons for enjoyment. He has a great universe, and writes it up well.

Wanted to comment on Sons of Martha.

This resonated with the US Navy's best author from the enlisted ranks (and a hole snipe too!), Richard McKenna. He has a collection entitled The Sons of Martha.

The best collection of his short stories, including the first part of Sons of Martha is his great The Left Handed Monkey Wrench. The title story is poignant and gripping, and rings true to me. But he had other great stories and essays in it.

Highly recommended for those that like sociology and the US Naval service.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 24, 2019 09:34 AM (u82oZ)

68 All these books about the Coup, written by reputable people, using mostly public sources ...

And Media ignores it. Has actually been running a disinformation campaign against it for years

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 09:35 AM (ksSPj)

69 This really does sound like a fascinating look into another time and another culture. The Book of Swindles: Selections from a Late Ming Collection is available on Kindle for $14.49. Also paperback for $25.00.
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When Trimegestus put that comment out, I put it on my Christmas list. And also recommended this:

https://tinyurl.com/thjj4r3

This is NOT one of the ones Van Gulik wrote, but a straight translation of an 18th C mystery.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 24, 2019 09:35 AM (ZbwAu)

70 Gotta run; I'll check back later.

Posted by: JT at November 24, 2019 09:35 AM (arJlL)

71 I bought my husband Greg Jarrett's book for Christmas. I'll read it when he's finished.

Have a great day all.. I'm taking advantage of this 60 degree weather.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 24, 2019 09:35 AM (dUJdY)

72 Now I truly believe that they know exactly what they're doing but don't understand the consequences of their actions.
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To go to Orwell again, they're playing with fire but don't understand that fire is hot.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 24, 2019 09:36 AM (3Z6pZ)

73 I am now reading The Glory Game by Frank Gifford.

About the 1958 NFL Championship game.

Its pretty good.
Posted by: JT at November 24, 2019 09:19 AM (arJlL)


As a goofball kid I watched that game while fucking around with other shit like anyone 8 years old and easily distracted will do. Even with those caveats it was a big fucking deal that ushered in the modern NFL. I lived in Laurel, Maryland so it was locally exciting but as time went on it became clear that it was bigger than that. Father Hate got some coffee table sized books, maybe by the NFL or fledgling Sports Illustrated, of gorgeous black and white photos that featured the game in all its primal splendor back during a time when the players were normal sized people and otherwise regular guys.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 24, 2019 09:36 AM (y7DUB)

74 Greaney's Gray Man series is as good, if not better, than Red Metal

Posted by: JB at November 24, 2019 09:37 AM (WK2bV)

75 jmel & Captain Obvious

PDJT is best described as Flavius Aetius.

I can make an analogy of PDJT to the best of Abe Lincoln, since both of them were excoriated by the media and "elites"in their own time. Yet both were great men, even with their flaws, and were underestimated by many. They tried, like a tragic Greek hero, to avoid a bitter Fate for the US of A. I want PDJT to avoid the fate of President Lincoln.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 24, 2019 09:39 AM (u82oZ)

76 This week I read Under the Same Sky: From Starvation in North Korea to Salvation in America, by Joseph Kim. It details his life as a young boy/teenager in North Korea two tyrants ago.

Through the seemingly never-ending pages of his hunger, Kim details seeing family members and dear friends turn on each other, selling off family members and literally watching as your family succumbs to starvation. Joseph Kim survived because Christians in China took him in and smuggled him out of China. He never learned what became of his sister and only sibling, whom his mother sold when she traveled to China.

Every woke high-school and college student should be dared to read it. Highly recommended and perfectly timed for Thanksgiving week.

Posted by: sandyCheeks at November 24, 2019 09:40 AM (tGSHk)

77 Someone suggested "Nothing Superfluous" by Father James W. Jackson on all the meanings of the Catholic mass, at least the Tridentine version. I've just started it and it is fascinating.

THIS is what should have been taught when we were kids so there could be an appreciation of the glories and mysteries. Instead we got rote lessons of doctrine with no explanation or attempt to provide context. If those authoritarian idiots (a particular Monsigneur comes to mind) had done so, more of us would have stayed with the church. As it was, they made me a confirmed agnostic for decades. Yeah, there's some bitterness involved.

I don't want to start a religious debate here. At least I've found CS Lewis, Bishop Fulton Sheen, and now this book in my older years. I appreciate the suggestion.

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:41 AM (bmdz3)

78 If that's not Shirley MacClain I'll eat my hat. Gosh, she was cute.

And in that vein, a story. When I moved here three years ago one of the first people I met was a tall, handsome woman with a mind like a steel trap. She is a business development consultant.

She is also, as it turns out, a channeling psychic. She's written four books and contributed to an authorized biography. I read the biography without pausing. It was fascinating. SciFi fans here would be interested to know that her own books are written as fictional stories. Even though I'm not a fan of the genre it looks like I'm about to get my feet wet.


I've never read a biography of someone I know personally. This one left me nonplussed...trying to reconcile the person I know with the one in the book. It's going to take a while.



Posted by: creeper at November 24, 2019 09:41 AM (fE1wp)

79 The note on Witold Pilecki reminds me of a novel by Geoffrey Household (best known for Rogue Male.) This one, A Watcher in the Shadows, is postwar. And there's a survivor going after the guards who are still free.

The catch is that the protagonist was an agent who infiltrated the camp, but the avenger doesn't know that.

Not quite at Rogue Male level, but pretty good.

One of his that is at least as good as Rogue Male is The Last Two Weeks of Georges Rivac. Hitchcock type plot with the hero unwittingly getting caught up in espionage and counter-espionage.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 24, 2019 09:42 AM (ZbwAu)

80 BTW, when asked why she married me, Mrs Eeyore always says "He quoted Eliot."

He's one of the dominant influences on me.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 24, 2019 09:44 AM (ZbwAu)

81 My other book is "Joe Rochefort's War: the Odyssey of the Codebreaker Who Outwitted Yamamoto at Midway" by Elliot Carlson. I'm only a little way in but it is very well-written.

He's not the nebbish he's been portrayed. He shuffled around in a robe and slippers because the basement room he and his codebreakers were consigned to was damp and drafty.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Living the Good Life in the Off-World Colonies at November 24, 2019 09:44 AM (vhcul)

82 46
Anyone else out there like me? Before I choose a book, I check to see if it is part of a series. I much prefer series.



Posted by: grammie winger at November 24, 2019 09:23 AM (lwiT4)

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Lol.

My wife is like that. When I first started writing, Battle Officer Wolf sold okay but faded. Scorpion's Pass didn't sell at all.

She said: "Write a series. People love them." That helped push me into Man of Destiny which has had some nice surges and continues to sell bits here and there.

This is another reason to do Battle Officer Wolf vol. 2. I think people who passed it before as a standalone might now see it's going someplace and buy it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 09:45 AM (cfSRQ)

83 66 So a serious question to members of the Horde who are scholars on ancient Rome: Who is PDT? Not Caesar, but who?
Posted by: jmel at November 24, 2019 09:32 AM (OeWgo)
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The Gracchi, perhaps? I don't think there is a clear analogue.
Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 24, 2019 09:34 AM (3Z6pZ)

naw, they were the Kennedy's of their time. You're right, I don't think there's a true analog - Trump is far too peaceful and restrained to be a match for Sulla, to name one. I wouldn't mind seeing another Sulla - he was the one (not the only one, but he was famous for it) who rolled the heads of his political enemies down the Capitol steps in Rome.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 24, 2019 09:45 AM (V2Yro)

84 It's stir up Sunday. Get those Christmas puddings in the Steamer.

Posted by: Quilp at November 24, 2019 09:47 AM (Fxgkp)

85 THIS is what should have been taught when we were kids so there could be an appreciation of the glories and mysteries. Instead we got rote lessons of doctrine with no explanation or attempt to provide context. If those authoritarian idiots (a particular Monsigneur comes to mind) had done so, more of us would have stayed with the church. As it was, they made me a confirmed agnostic for decades. Yeah, there's some bitterness involved.

The marketing of every Christian religion has been so consistently piss poor that it's difficult to understand it as anything other than an internal hit job.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 24, 2019 09:47 AM (y7DUB)

86 Good Sunday morning, horde!

I started reading Nevile Shute's On the Beach last week, but had to stop because, uh...I went to Mom's but left the book on the couch and the puppies tore it to shreds while I was gone and my husband was sleeping.

I replace my share of library books.

But the new Longmire came in on my library reserve, so I've been reading that. It's as good as any of them, I suppose. They aren't awesomely profound or anything, but always a good story and good characters. I get the feeling he's going to wrap this series up, but I could be wrong.

Posted by: April at November 24, 2019 09:48 AM (OX9vb)

87 Marius, sulla is whoever thr establ8shment puts up

Posted by: Gaius martius at November 24, 2019 09:49 AM (hMlTh)

88 19 The world is not going to be set right until people realize that, as bad as nazis are, commies are actually worse.

This is the dirty little secret that our in house totalitarians do their best to obscure.
Posted by: Captain Hate at November 24, 2019 09:07 AM (y7DUB)
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Yes. A week ago I pointed this out to my brother. Asked him a set of questions:

Which Fascist was as bad as Stalin? Hitler.
Which Fascist was as bad as Mao? (You've already used Hitler.)
Which Fascist was as bad as Pol Pot?

You see how it goes. And I'll even be fair to Lenin an Mao (and Franco), and discount actual Civil War battle deaths for all three.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 24, 2019 09:49 AM (ZbwAu)

89 jmel & Captain Obvious

The assassination of Flavius Aetius spelled the end of the Roman Empire.

The elites were obsessed with getting sons of like minded patricians into the Roman Academies, to start their proper Roman career path to ruling over others. We have many surviving letters from that time. The "elites of then" approved of the barbarians because their taxes went down, and the regulatory burden on them eased up.

Yet, two generations later, their entire civilization was gone. The barbarians mimicked it, without avail. Those "elite families" were no more. Some few assimilated, but they all failed to adapt, and were gone as a separate factor of genetics and biology.

Source: The Fall of the Roman Empire: A New History of Rome and the Barbarians by Peter Heather

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 24, 2019 09:49 AM (u82oZ)

90 I don't want to start a religious debate here. At
least I've found CS Lewis, Bishop Fulton Sheen, and now this book in my
older years. I appreciate the suggestion.

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:41 AM (bmdz3)

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Catholics in America used to be more of an ethnic identity than a faith community.

Happily, that's now changing and I've noticed even in the last ten years religious education is getting more detailed and less reliant on rote memorization.

Our diocesan magazine (it's a monthly) had an article in the most recent edition explaining that yes, kids will refuse to go to mass because it's a spirtual experience and maybe they aren't able to fully grasp it. The key is to keep the invitation open and not go crazy about it.

Back in the day a priest saying that would be unthinkable. Now, not so much.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 09:50 AM (cfSRQ)

91 Who dis looks like Shirley Maclaine, especially around the crinkly eyes. I hesitate because you used her in a gorilla thread.

T.S. Eliot's collected poems is worth talking about. Anybody want to talk about Eliot?

Also, good morning People of the Books.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2019 09:50 AM (gd9RK)

92 Grammie, I seem to read a lot of series, but I don't actually prefer them. I'd almost rather they weren't series.

I find that series are good at first, but they start to feel forced in later volumes. Then again, when there are characters and worlds that interest me, I like it that there are additional volumes to feed that interest.

Posted by: April at November 24, 2019 09:51 AM (OX9vb)

93 Good morning Bander. Let's start with an Eliot poem of your choosing.

But not Cats.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Living the Good Life in the Off-World Colonies at November 24, 2019 09:51 AM (vhcul)

94 72 Now I truly believe that they know exactly what they're doing but don't understand the consequences of their actions.
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To go to Orwell again, they're playing with fire but don't understand that fire is hot.
Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 24, 2019 09:36 AM (3Z6pZ)

Like all leftists, they earnestly believe that they are the smartest, most clever, and most enlightened generation that has ever existed, and so of course they can try the things that didn't work for those foolish, weak specimens of humanity that existed in the past, and they'll work this time. Guaranteed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 24, 2019 09:51 AM (V2Yro)

95 You see how it goes. And I'll even be fair to Lenin
an Mao (and Franco), and discount actual Civil War battle deaths for all
three.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 24, 2019 09:49 AM (ZbwAu)

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To be really fair, you have to admit that while Hitler did terrible things, he also literally killed Hitler.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 09:52 AM (cfSRQ)

96 I needed some Louis L'Amour so I re-read "The Sackett Brand", one of my favorites in the series. Justice, revenge, a fitting outcome, and the support of family. It's a satisfying tale.

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:53 AM (bmdz3)

97 90: The Catholic kids in my neighborhood went to Mass every Sunday, and if they went to Catholic schools it was a daily thing.

Posted by: CN at November 24, 2019 09:53 AM (5wOoy)

98 To be really fair, you have to admit that while Hitler did terrible things, he also literally killed Hitler.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 09:52 AM (cfSRQ)
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Waited a bit too long on the last one.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 24, 2019 09:53 AM (3Z6pZ)

99 Uh, it's pronounced Catlick, guys.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Living the Good Life in the Off-World Colonies at November 24, 2019 09:54 AM (vhcul)

100 I am reading Monster Hunter Guardian, which is Sarah Hoyt's collab on the series
Posted by: vmom happy to have college kid home at November 24, 2019 09:23 AM (G546f)]

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I recommend it and think Mr. Correia made a good choice with Ms Hoyt.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 09:54 AM (WEBkv)

101 So a serious question to members of the Horde who are scholars on ancient Rome: Who is PDT? Not Caesar, but who?

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It's not clear yet. Much will depend on whether he can truly turn the country around or whether he is merely a brief resurgence in the continuing decline of the Republic.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 24, 2019 09:54 AM (+y/Ru)

102 So a serious question to members of the Horde who are scholars on ancient Rome: Who is PDT? Not Caesar, but who?

Posted by: jmel at November 24, 2019 09:32 AM (OeWgo)


Victor Davis Hanson picked Claudius. Other candidates might be Clodius, Spartacus (sorry, Cory), and Hadrian, the wall builder.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 24, 2019 09:55 AM (UGKMd)

103 Thanks for a great launch for Moron-author Daniel Humphrey's Z-Day anthology, Places Beyond the Wild, last week. Much appreciated.

I've been reading Harry Harrison's Civil War alternate history "Stars and Stripes Forever," an interesting look at how the Civil War might have gone had Britain intervened.

I'm also reading Declan Finn's latest St. Tommy novel, Deus Vult. Finn channels Lovecraft in this latest installment to create a truly formidable threat for Tommy to overcome.

Also, two-time Prometheus-Award winning author Travis J.I. Corcoran, author of the Aristillus series, is out with two shorts, Staking a Claim and The Team.

Finally, Fenton Wood is about to release City of Illusions, book 4 in his Yankee Republic series of YA techno-adventures. You can get started in the series with Pirates of the Electromagnetic Waves for only $0.99, just in time to be ready for book 4.

Posted by: Hans G. Schantz at November 24, 2019 09:55 AM (FXjhj)

104 wonder if people like to get their picture taken while holding
a high brow book they have never read ?

possibly

Posted by: REDACTED at November 24, 2019 09:55 AM (rpxSz)

105 Source: The Fall of the Roman Empire: A New History of Rome and the Barbarians by Peter Heather



Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 24, 2019 09:49 AM (u82oZ)

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I have that book. Quite good.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 09:57 AM (cfSRQ)

106 Can anyone help with this? There's a C S Lewis essay passage in which he compares the removal of classical literature (and history) from the curriculum with attacking an enemy stronghold. The point is that the first thing you do is isolate it from any help or reinforcements. Which is what the moderns are doing in trying to cut us off from what our ancestors thought.

But I cannot recall where he says it.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 24, 2019 09:57 AM (ZbwAu)

107 On series: I enjoy the Inspector Rutledge series by Charles Todd.

However, they are of the recurring character type rather than a series working toward a conclusion type.

Just finished "Wings of Fire" and liked it quite a bit. But, I admit to being a sucker for character study mysteries set in post WW1 England.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 09:58 AM (WEBkv)

108 Ho Lee Kuo!

I'm stupid.

OM quoted Comey's :

I remember when James Comey came forward and said 'yeah, Hillary broke the law right and left, but we're not going to recommend prosecution because we can't prove intent'

This explains the whole reason that the Fake Impeachment Hearing have looked and sounded so insane.

The Democrats have been trying to prove intent to commit crime without even a scent of wrong-doing

That's their new standard of justice. Marinade in that for a minute.

Why?

Becuz Hillary! (and probably TFG, Bidet, etc) have loads of actual, easily provable, wrong-doing -

but the Democrats plan to make the case simultaneously that-

their intentions were good or, at least, not provably evil while they were raking in graft, corrupting the system, committing treason and sedition, etc.

while Trump, who has done nothing provably wrong had all the intention in the world to commit high crimes.

The Dims are not just trying to get Trump, their trying to set the table for non-prosecution of any Dim criminal or wrong-doer.

It's so simple. And so obvious. It's idiotic.

Only in a city as fucked up as DC could this pass as "intelligent logic" for destroying our justice system.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 24, 2019 09:58 AM (kauXV)

109 Ever hear this old truism: As a liberal who their favorite poet is; 99% say Maya Angelou. Ask them who their second favorite poet is...they got nothing.
Morning horde!

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 24, 2019 09:58 AM (7Fj9P)

110 Don't know if I mentioned this recently but i've been reading a small book, "Recreating the American Longhunter 1740 - 1790" by Joseph Ruckman. It's only about 60 pages but Ruckman manages to include a huge amount of information and the sources for it. If you have any interest in the period it is a superb resource. It's going t be on the shelf next to my copies of Mark Baker's "A Pilgrim's Journey" and Beth Gilgun's "Tidings From the 18th Century".

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:59 AM (bmdz3)

111 Uh oh, I'm trapped in Hoyt's essays:

https://accordingtohoyt.com/

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Living the Good Life in the Off-World Colonies at November 24, 2019 10:00 AM (vhcul)

112 I pray for PDT's health and safety often. When that fat slob George Conway tweeted out his "Concerns" about the president's health the other day, I was gripped with grief and fear. KellyAnne should have divorced him for that alone.

Posted by: jmel at November 24, 2019 10:00 AM (OeWgo)

113 Tolle Lege
3/4 the way through Bernard Cornwell's Sharpe's Triumph, it is very good, have a feeling I will be looking for more.

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 10:00 AM (ZCEU2)

114 Good thing that new library will have all that parking, because parking in Jerusalem is not easy.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 24, 2019 08:59 AM (EZebt)

But will it have space for drag queen story hour?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 24, 2019 10:01 AM (/sgva)

115 creeper

Good morning.

I am a character in two books. The guy whose house we bought in Kansas wrote a autobiography book. I can not find it on Amazon or DDG.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 24, 2019 10:01 AM (u82oZ)

116 3/4 the way through Bernard Cornwell's Sharpe's Triumph, it is very good, have a feeling I will be looking for more.
Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 10:00 AM (ZCEU2)
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What's the featured battle/campaign in that one?

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 24, 2019 10:02 AM (3Z6pZ)

117 106 Can anyone help with this? There's a C S Lewis essay passage in which he compares the removal of classical literature (and history) from the curriculum with attacking an enemy stronghold. The point is that the first thing you do is isolate it from any help or reinforcements. Which is what the moderns are doing in trying to cut us off from what our ancestors thought.

But I cannot recall where he says it.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 24, 2019 09:57 AM (ZbwAu)

It sounds like a passage from the Screwtape Letters, but I can't pinpoint it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 24, 2019 10:02 AM (V2Yro)

118 PDT versus Lincoln: The difference, Lincoln was assassinated after the Civil War whereas an assassination of PDT will probably kick off CWII.

And I don't think the so-called "elites" really care one way or another and probably have people who have said a version of "who will rid us of this troublesome priest?"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 10:02 AM (WEBkv)

119 Heya, bookfagz!

That library is cool. Very futuristic looking.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 24, 2019 10:04 AM (NWiLs)

120 Salty, is the other book with you in it available?

Posted by: creeper at November 24, 2019 10:04 AM (fE1wp)

121 "Trump abused his office by trying to get dirt on a political opponent"

The Bidens are guilty as fuck. Isnt this relevant?

But not 1/100 as guilty as Hillary

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 10:04 AM (DPNfp)

122 112 I pray for PDT's health and safety often. When that fat slob George Conway tweeted out his "Concerns" about the president's health the other day, I was gripped with grief and fear. KellyAnne should have divorced him for that alone.
Posted by: jmel at November 24, 2019 10:00 AM (OeWgo)
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Yes, I also pray for the health and protection of PDT and his family.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 10:04 AM (WEBkv)

123 creeper.

It's classified. Deals with my EMP testing duties and the results. Alas.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 24, 2019 10:05 AM (u82oZ)

124 I complained last week that in the second book of his Berlin Noir trilogy, The Pale Criminal, author Phillip Kerr presented Arthur Nebe as a not-too-bad-a-guy Nazi when, in fact, he was a monster. The third book of the trilogy, A German Requiem, makes it clear that he was a monster (although still a better guy than Heinrich "Gestapo" Mueller) but we're not in Kansas anymore.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 24, 2019 10:06 AM (+y/Ru)

125 Salty, that book may be on Barnes and Noble. That's where I found Debra Yeager's biography, "Medium, Rare".

Posted by: creeper at November 24, 2019 10:06 AM (5iaGQ)

126 but the Democrats plan to make the case simultaneously that-
their intentions were good or, at least, not provably evil while they were raking in graft, corrupting the system, committing treason and sedition, etc.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 24, 2019 09:58 AM (kauXV)

Yup....this statement explains communism/democrats to a "t".
"Our intentions are good and noble, so what if we have to kill millions to implement our worker's paradise."

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 24, 2019 10:06 AM (Z+IKu)

127 I have just been reading The Dizziest Season, by G H Fleming. It's newspaper clippings from the 1934 season, centered on the Cardinals, and Dean.

What strikes me is how the New York papers - and especially the Times - were just as clueless then as now. The Giants had led almost throughout the season, and the Cards catch and pass them at wire. But the Times is consistent; as the lead dwindles from 5 to 3 to one, they continue to say a Cardinal pennant is impossible. Reminded me of 2016.

(His 1908 version - The Unforgettable Season - is better, though.)

Posted by: Eeyore at November 24, 2019 10:07 AM (ZbwAu)

128 Salty, that book may be on Barnes and Noble. That's where I found Debra Yeager's biography, "Medium, Rare".

Guess I ought to have mentioned that sooner.

Posted by: creeper at November 24, 2019 10:07 AM (5iaGQ)

129 Yup....this statement explains communism/democrats to a "t".
"Our intentions are good and noble, so what if we have to kill millions to implement our worker's paradise."

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 24, 2019 10:06 AM (Z+IKu)

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Ayers flat out said, and it's a matter of public record, that he thought 25 million American would have to be killed to usher in the new communist era.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 10:08 AM (WEBkv)

130 "He quoted Eliot."

He's one of the dominant influences on me.



Oh, come sit by me! There's always something of his just under the skin of my mind that's floating around an idea that's important.

And so I'll quote him to explain what I mean. "History gives with such supple confusion...that the giving famishes the craving".

And then people look at me funny and they don't understand and I get frustrated.

There's an Italian, in particular, who my gmail tells me I had the same conversation with eight years apart. She turns out to be so relentlessly literal minded that she only likes one poem, by Catullus. And that one's depressing.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2019 10:08 AM (gd9RK)

131 I started reading the Douglas Murray book, "Madness of Crowds." I'm not sure I will finish it. I finished the section on gay, and frankly there wasn't anything there that was particularly enlightening. Just a retelling of what everyone already sees for ourselves.

Maybe it gets better with other topics. Or some eventual answers to common questions like "why" and "so what are your proposing we do about it."

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 10:08 AM (hku12)

132 creeper

The more recent one is The Prodigal Road by Richard Miller. https://tinyurl.com/ue5zcfo

Helps if I remember the right title!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 24, 2019 10:08 AM (u82oZ)

133 The Bidens are guilty as fuck. Isnt this relevant?

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Life is full of surprises. I thought that I could not have thought any less of Joe but he has proved me wrong.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 24, 2019 10:09 AM (+y/Ru)

134 I'm re-reading Asimov's Foundation trilogy. It's been a long time and I'm not sure how I feel about it now. Like so many things that we read in our youth, it doesn't seem to hold up as well after a fair amount of time has passed. Having said that, I still find myself enjoying it.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 24, 2019 10:09 AM (EgshT)

135 Read a terrific book about the Ford v Ferrari battle at Le Mans: "Go Like Hell," by A. J. Baime, 2008. Covers the 1964-66 races, and gives the backstory of how the battle started and of the drivers, designers, and executives. Highly recommended. Now I'm ready to see the movie.

Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2019 10:09 AM (AMIL/)

136 The proposed Israel National Library is impressive. I wonder what the Palestinian National Library looks like.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:10 AM (XVuno)

137 That's Shirley MacLaine?

The current incarnation?

Posted by: Roy at November 24, 2019 10:10 AM (ABjxW)

138 Oh, wow. Pixy double posted my comment and even let me add a sentence. She must be feeling particularly frisky this morning.

Posted by: creeper at November 24, 2019 10:10 AM (5iaGQ)

139 A carefully preserved, 11th century Old Testament, part of the National Library of Israel's collection


Do Jews just call it 'The Testament?'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 24, 2019 10:10 AM (oVJmc)

140 I've got two things on my reading list for today. I'm doing a compare and contrast of the back labels of bottles of NyQuil and DayQuil. The technical jargon is a bit of a slog, but they're both pretty concise, so I'm making good headway.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 24, 2019 10:11 AM (m45I2)

141 136 The proposed Israel National Library is impressive. I wonder what the Palestinian National Library looks like.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:10 AM (XVuno)
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Pick any mud hut in Africa. Then, add a billion dollar price tag.

Palestinian National Library.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 10:11 AM (WEBkv)

142 136: Probably looks like a munitions depot

Posted by: CN at November 24, 2019 10:11 AM (5wOoy)

143 121
"Trump abused his office by trying to get dirt on a political opponent"



The Bidens are guilty as fuck. Isnt this relevant?



But not 1/100 as guilty as Hillary

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 10:04 AM (DPNfp)

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The Clinton White House helped themselves to hundreds of FBI background files.

But their intentions were pure, of course.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 10:11 AM (cfSRQ)

144 Yup....this statement explains communism/democrats to a "t". "Our intentions are good and noble, so what if we have to kill millions to implement our worker's paradise."

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The Donks are Animals.

Well I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 24, 2019 10:11 AM (+y/Ru)

145 Squirrelly Shirley MacLaine.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 24, 2019 10:12 AM (oVJmc)

146 The proposed Israel National Library is impressive. I wonder what the Palestinian National Library looks like.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:10 AM (XVuno)

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It's a bomb factory with a library sign out front.

Same as their schools, hospitals, mosques...

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 10:12 AM (cfSRQ)

147 LA Senator John Kennedy kicking ass on Chris Wallace

What did Hunter do for the money, honey

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 10:13 AM (DPNfp)

148 >>So a serious question to members of the Horde who are scholars on ancient Rome: Who is PDT? Not Caesar, but who?

Greek mythology. Hercules.

We are currently at the 5th Labor. Cleaning the Augean stable.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2019 10:13 AM (ZLI7S)

149 I'm waiting for Amazon to deliver today a book about artisanal cheesemaking. One thing that I have yet to try.

Posted by: Roy at November 24, 2019 10:13 AM (ABjxW)

150 Can anyone help with this? There's a C S Lewis essay passage in which he compares the removal of classical literature (and history) from the curriculum
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He did a series of BBC radio broadcasts during WWII that were immensely popular. It might be tucked in one of those; I believe they have been transcribed.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 24, 2019 10:14 AM (7Fj9P)

151 I'm wondering if others have noticed a bait and switch that occurs with Kindle.

If you go to Amazon and look up a book, there are often several editions out there, and the physical copies tend to include all sorts of information as to which one you are ordering. This is especially important when a book has been translated, but also when an old book has a new forward, with information that might not have been available in older editions.

Then you go down into the comments, and readers are giving Kindle editions 1 star ratings, saying things like "this is a crap version, slapped together with multiple typos and bad formatting.

Even worse, the brief description Amazon gives will often not tell you this is an older edition, without the improved translation, or additional editing/new forward.

And it's not like Amazon is offering more than one Kindle version, so you can choose the cheaper one, or the one that has what you are looking for, for a higher price.

Am I crazy? Or is this a common experience?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 10:14 AM (hku12)

152
Greek mythology. Hercules.

We are currently at the 5th Labor. Cleaning the Augean stable.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2019 10:13 AM (ZLI7S)

He's gonna need a bigger Potomac.

Posted by: Roy at November 24, 2019 10:14 AM (ABjxW)

153 I have to split some kindling to buffer the cold rainy atmosphere surrounding the Lair.

I'll be right back, so don't hesitate to talk about Eliot in the meantime.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2019 10:14 AM (gd9RK)

154 E. Hoffman Price wrote The Jade Enchantress which centers around a village grudge, taxation, and a general who wants to rise further while opposed by the village headman and his son who would really prefer carving jade and learning more about pillow books.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 24, 2019 10:15 AM (Gr+oU)

155 Like so many things that we read in our youth, it doesn't seem to hold up as well after a fair amount of time has passed.

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I had a similar experience the other night. I watched a movie I loved as a kid, Major Dundee, and noticed numerous flaws.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 24, 2019 10:15 AM (+y/Ru)

156 Anyone think the big studios are going to glamorize Devin Nunes in an updated film version of All The President's Men based on the Deep State plot against Trump?

Yeah, me neither.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:15 AM (XVuno)

157 creeper

Got it!

In The Prodigal Road[i/], I am on pages 215 and 216. among others. He helpfully misspelled my name.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 24, 2019 10:15 AM (u82oZ)

158 106 "Can anyone help with this? There's a C S Lewis essay passage in which he compares the removal of classical literature (and history) from the curriculum with attacking an enemy stronghold."

eeyore,

I can't place it but it sounds like something from Abolition of Man. Just a guess.

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 10:15 AM (bmdz3)

159 Don Jr. has brought it up to the conscious level. He's actually self-aware about this, and knows what he's doing. Which, I think ultimately makes him a more dangerous adversary than his old man.

Yet Don Jr is a Turning Point USA guy, the very definition of cucking now, and gladly get paid next Tuesday type of organization. That won't fly with non boomers.

Posted by: Quilp at November 24, 2019 10:15 AM (Fxgkp)

160 149 I'm waiting for Amazon to deliver today a book about artisanal cheesemaking. One thing that I have yet to try.
Posted by: Roy at November 24, 2019 10:13 AM (ABjxW)


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Blessed are the cheese makers...

Posted by: Jesus H. Christ at November 24, 2019 10:16 AM (XVuno)

161 Put it to the American public
Your former V.P. and son through corruption and admitted Prid Quo Pro received 16M$ from a corrupt former regime. Do you care?

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 10:16 AM (ZCEU2)

162 I've got two things on my reading list for today. I'm doing a compare and contrast of the back labels of bottles of NyQuil and DayQuil. The technical jargon is a bit of a slog, but they're both pretty concise, so I'm making good headway.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 24, 2019 10:11 AM (m45I2)


Read the Nyquil bottle before you take it, because if you read it after, you won't remember a thing about what you read.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 10:16 AM (hku12)

163 So a serious question to members of the Horde who are scholars on ancient Rome: Who is PDT? Not Caesar, but who?

Posted by: jmel at November 24, 2019 09:32 AM (OeWgo)



Tiberius Gracchi, but with better planning, I hope.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 10:17 AM (1glZx)

164 Whew! Saved by a close tag. Close. Too close.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 24, 2019 10:17 AM (u82oZ)

165 She turns out to be so relentlessly literal minded that she only likes one poem, by Catullus. And that one's depressing.
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It's not even a dirty Catullus poem?!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Living the Good Life in the Off-World Colonies at November 24, 2019 10:17 AM (vhcul)

166 A quote by Thackeray sums up the DC bureaucracies in which we suffer under

"when we take up a person, he or she is safe. There is no question about them anymore. Our friends are the best people. We don't mean that they're the most virtuous or indeed the least virtuous, or the cleverest or the stupidest or the richest or the best born. But the best. In a word, people about whom there is no question"

edited a little

Posted by: REDACTED at November 24, 2019 10:18 AM (rpxSz)

167 Not to judge genders but throught we have taken Pixy to be male.
Ok, maybe that is judging genders after all.

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 10:19 AM (ZCEU2)

168 Do Jews just call it 'The Testament?'
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Huh, isn't the Torah just the first five books of the bible, the Pentateuch? Or am I mixing those up?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 24, 2019 10:19 AM (7Fj9P)

169 Thank you, Salty. That goes on my list.

Posted by: creeper at November 24, 2019 10:19 AM (fE1wp)

170 OK, maybe Clodius.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 10:20 AM (1glZx)

171 Pixy-misa in anime is a magical girl nyah.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 24, 2019 10:21 AM (Gr+oU)

172 Squirrelly Shirley MacLaine.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 24, 2019 10:12 AM (oVJmc)

Squirrelly, but cute.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 24, 2019 10:21 AM (/sgva)

173 Tiberius Gracchi, but with better planning, I hope.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 10:17 AM (1glZx)

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Neither of the Gracchi came to a happy end.

Also, the optimates vs. populares dynamic that they introduced into Roman politics destabilized Rome for generations, to the point that an autocracy was the only way to hold it together.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:21 AM (XVuno)

174 That's Shirley MacLaine?

The current incarnation?
Posted by: Roy at November 24, 2019 10:10 AM (ABjxW)


I never understood the attempt to make her a sex symbol. She was always frumpy, in everything she did.

She was a "fresh face" in the Hitchcock film, "The Trouble With Harry," which is a cute little movie, but she's supposed to be... I don't know. Her acting is awful, and she's got one of those boy hairstyles... gah!

She must have been dynamite in the producer's office.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 10:22 AM (hku12)

175 I wonder what the Palestinian National Library looks like.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:10 AM (XVuno)


Concealed rocket emplacements and thousands of copies of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Mein Kampf.

The cafeteria is great though. Try the Rachel Corrie pancakes.

Posted by: cool breeze at November 24, 2019 10:22 AM (UGKMd)

176 156 Anyone think the big studios are going to glamorize Devin Nunes in an updated film version of All The President's Men based on the Deep State plot against Trump?

Yeah, me neither.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:15 AM (XVuno)

I'll bet there is already a film in advanced planning about the takedown of Trump, with Meryl Streep as Pelosi, Leonardo DeCaprio as Schiff, and Bradley Cooper as Vindman. With the ugliest actors they can find as Trump, Giuliani, Nunes, and McConnell.

Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2019 10:22 AM (AMIL/)

177 Like so many things that we read in our youth, it doesn't seem to hold up as well after a fair amount of time has passed.
________

Sometimes they do hold up, sometimes they don't. If you'd asked me in 7th grade, I'd probably have named Arthur Conan Doyle and C S Forrester as my favorites. I still love Holmes, but not so keen on Hornblower.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 24, 2019 10:22 AM (ZbwAu)

178 RBG hospitalized with "chills and fever." Sounds like bs, (chills??) but I really do wonder at the contortions they're going through to keep her fogging mirrors.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 24, 2019 10:24 AM (7Fj9P)

179 After watching the new "Midway" movie, I read Joe Rochefort's War by Elliot Carlson. Without Rochefort, and his insistence, against all opposition (up to and including Admiral King), the Japanese could have taken the island virtually unopposed.
Rochefort enlisted in the Navy in WWI, then stayed in postwar. He was a
"mustang", or enlisted man later commissioned as an officer. In 1929, he
was sent to Japan to learn the Japanese language, along with Edwin
Layton, and they became close friends. This certainly helped when Layton
became intelligence officer for Admiral Kimmel, kept on by Nimitz.
Between the wars, Rochefort did well in many assignments, receiving
glowing fitness reports.
Nimitz took a huge, courageous gamble by supporting Rochefort. Many others, up to King, believed the attack would come somewhere else. Even though Rochefort (and others) knew, as early as March 1942, that "AF" was Midway, he still had to come up with the "Midway's out of water" ruse to convince Washington. King came around, only to be convinced by the DC crew that the attack would come elsewhere. In the Aleutians (as part of Yamamoto's plan), the Japanese shelled Dutch Harbor, then invaded Attu and Kiska, unopposed, because Adm. Theobald of 8th Fleet didn't believe the info he was given, and was hundreds of miles away protecting the coast! After being proved wrong about Midway, Rochefort's his enemies in the Washington intelligence unit engineered his removal from Hypo. He continued to serve, mostly in backwater assignments, but was quietly competent at each until the war ended.

Carlson does a good job of detailing the difficulty of breaking and reading the Japanese codes. His descriptions are detailed, but not to the point of bogging down the narrative. He shows that Rochefort was a gifted administrator. He had an incredible memory for details, and an intuition for combining the pieces of the puzzle into useful information.
In 1986, he was posthumously awarded the Distinguished Service Medal by President Reagan. It had been recommended by Admiral Nimitz in 1942, but denied by his Washington enemies. Two men who had worked with him at Hypo, Jasper Holmes and "Mac" Showers, fought to get him this recognition.


Posted by: Pete the POM Inspector at November 24, 2019 10:25 AM (xYkyN)

180 the movie Parasite must have had some acquaintance with the Book of Swindles.

and I am pretty sure it is Banned In Boston... the Democrats there don't want us wise to them

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 24, 2019 10:25 AM (mR+TH)

181 RBG hospitalized with "chills and fever." Sounds like bs, (chills??) but I really do wonder at the contortions they're going through to keep her fogging mirrors.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 24, 2019 10:24 AM (7Fj9P)

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Soviet leaders tended to come down with the exact same malady, often days after they died.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:26 AM (XVuno)

182 "I first read this classic back in the 70s and there is a laugh on almost every page. I'm thinking of putting up a quote from BOTR for the next few weeks."

Please do.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 24, 2019 10:27 AM (H8QX8)

183 I've come across a couple of quotes fro "Democracy In America" lately and realized I hadn't tread it in a long time. Got out my copy (Reeve translation) to thumb through. I might try the newer Goldhammer translation from the Library of America series at some point. (Time, as always, to go to the used book store.)

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 10:28 AM (bmdz3)

184 I took Nabokov's Invitation to a Beheading to my annual physical because there's a fair bit of waiting alone time to fill up (that's not a complaint). As a brief aside the shampeachment was on the television in the waiting room and not a single person was paying it the slightest bit of attention. As a longer aside my doctor has this strange, but very welcome, tendency of selecting very attractive women med school residents to do the prelim work. This is a multiple year observation on my part and not just an isolated example. The doctor herself is reasonably attractive but with a killer body (she surely wore out her ex husband) so is obviously interested in populating the profession with smart doll babies.

That preliminary description was to point out that I was in a bemusedly good mood when cracking the book. I've described before that this is a Kafkaesque work of someone awaiting execution for a crime that doesn't make sense. Beginning a book like that is somewhat confusing and disconcerting because nothing makes sense by design. But in chapter 8 the protagonist, Cincinnatus, starts writing a soliloquy of how he's never fit in that just flowed like a stream of consciousness that vividly made sense. I completely lost myself in it (I later reread it while listening to somewhat challenging music on headphones and it didn't work at all; full attention had to be paid) as only happens in certain books. Anyway I 100% understand why this is considered one of his major works even though I doubt many people have read it.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 24, 2019 10:28 AM (y7DUB)

185 I'm doing a compare and contrast of the back labels of bottles of NyQuil and DayQuil.

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There is a Vietnam memoir, Flying Through Midnight by John T. Halliday, in which he describes the mind numbing boredom of living on their secret base in Laos. When he first arrived he is told about the recreation to be had by reading product labels at the PX and warned to limit himself to only one small section on one shelf or else you're really going to be screwed when you've read the whole PX and have nowhere to go.

He also describes cranking his friend Wiley's stereo to a reported 1000 decibels and singing along with Karen Carpenter's Rainy Days and Mondays Get Me Down. (1000 decibels of Karen Carpenter! You know what they say; war is Hell.)

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 24, 2019 10:29 AM (+y/Ru)

186 Nine ( rings)for mortal men doomed to die

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 10:29 AM (ZCEU2)

187 RBG hospitalized with "chills and fever." Sounds like bs, (chills??) but I really do wonder at the contortions they're going through to keep her fogging mirrors.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 24, 2019 10:24 AM (7Fj9P)


In the comic book version of "The Boys," they attempt to reanimate some of the dead "supes," with terrible results. One of the Seven, which is like the Justice League or the Avengers, I guess, he is "living" in a sewer, basically, and occasionally other members of the Seven have to go down and clean up after him.

They're basically zombies.

I think RBG is essentially that. Not entirely dead, but also not entirely alive. So they keep her animated. Somehow.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 10:29 AM (hku12)

188 isn't the Torah just the first five books of the bible, the Pentateuch?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 24, 2019 10:19 AM (7Fj9P)

Yup. But it can also mean the entire bible...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 24, 2019 10:29 AM (wYseH)

189 156 Anyone think the big studios are going to glamorize Devin Nunes in an updated film version of All The President's Men based on the Deep State plot against Trump?

Yeah, me neither.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:15 AM (XVuno)

Some hit movie on Trump is in the works right now with Brendan Gleeson as Trump. I expect its release will be timed for October 2020 (as the timing of the smear job on Palin was also strategic).

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 24, 2019 10:29 AM (H8QX8)

190 Do Jews just call it 'The Testament?'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 24, 2019 10:10 AM (oVJmc)

Tanakh? Mikra?

Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2019 10:30 AM (X/Pw5)

191 one reason the Nazis do less damage is because deep down the average Nazi knows he's one of the baddies. this mitigates some of the evil orders he (too often, she) gets.

the commies - and it goes back to Robespierre - seem to really believe they're good.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 24, 2019 10:30 AM (mR+TH)

192 Well, before I hit the bottle and pass out I'll leave you with this.

Preparations for boarding the Ark is the limerick o' the day for today at the daily limerick site. Guaranteed to make you chuckle or double your money back.

https://muldoonlimericks.blogspot.com

or simply click the link in my nick.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 24, 2019 10:30 AM (m45I2)

193 RBG hospitalized with "chills and fever." Sounds like bs, (chills??) but I really do wonder at the contortions they're going through to keep her fogging mirrors.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 24, 2019 10:24 AM (7Fj9P)

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Soviet leaders tended to come down with the exact same malady, often days after they died.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:26 AM (XVuno)
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"The Pope has a bad cold."

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 24, 2019 10:31 AM (3Z6pZ)

194 "But it can also mean the entire bible...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 24, 2019 "

ehhh the rest is just commentary

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 24, 2019 10:32 AM (mR+TH)

195 Don't spend your money on the Pentateuch. You get more bang for your buck with a Septuagint.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:32 AM (XVuno)

196 Time for my dose of NowQuil. Always is.

Posted by: klaftern at November 24, 2019 10:32 AM (RuIsu)

197 Book of Swindles sounds like something along the lines of this book, free from Gutenberg:

"SCAMPING TRICKS AND ODD KNOWLEDGE OCCASIONALLY PRACTISED UPON PUBLIC WORKS."

BY

JOHN NEWMAN, Assoc. M. Inst. C.E.,


AUTHOR OF

'EARTHWORK SLIPS AND SUBSIDENCES UPON PUBLIC WORKS';
'NOTES ON CONCRETE AND WORKS IN CONCRETE';
'IRON CYLINDER BRIDGE PIERS';
'QUEER SCENES OF RAILWAY LIFE.'

https://tinyurl.com/ubmm3xu

Posted by: the turkey at November 24, 2019 10:33 AM (Tnijr)

198 Muldoon

☢. Groan. ☣

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 24, 2019 10:33 AM (u82oZ)

199 192 Muldoon,
Today's poem is hilarious. Thanks.

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 10:33 AM (bmdz3)

200 190 Do Jews just call it 'The Testament?'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 24, 2019 10:10 AM (oVJmc)

Tanakh? Mikra?
Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2019 10:30 AM (X/Pw5)

The film version is Torah! Torah! Torah!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 24, 2019 10:33 AM (NWiLs)

201 Squirrelly Shirley MacLaine.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 24, 2019 10:12 AM (oVJmc)

Is she in season?

*lecks hands and cleans self*

Posted by: squirrelly dan at November 24, 2019 10:34 AM (FmJBL)

202 I know its been guessed at top of the thread but I know who the woman is and just can't remember.

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 10:34 AM (ZCEU2)

203 Pixy is a he?


creeper's semester grade for gender identification - F

Posted by: creeper at November 24, 2019 10:35 AM (fE1wp)

204 I have it on a good source that Jack Lemmon didn't care for Shirley very much.

Posted by: REDACTED at November 24, 2019 10:35 AM (rpxSz)

205 The film version is Torah! Torah! Torah!
Posted by: Insomniac at November 24, 2019 10:33 AM (NWiLs)

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I loved the part with the surprise attack of the Hittites on Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:35 AM (XVuno)

206 I took Nabokov's Invitation to a Beheading to my annual physical because there's a fair bit of waiting alone time to fill up (that's not a complaint). As a brief aside the shampeachment was on the television in the waiting room and not a single person was paying it the slightest bit of attention. As a longer aside my doctor has this strange, but very welcome, tendency of selecting very attractive women med school residents to do the prelim work. This is a multiple year observation on my part and not just an isolated example. The doctor herself is reasonably attractive but with a killer body (she surely wore out her ex husband) so is obviously interested in populating the profession with smart doll babies.

That preliminary description was to point out that I was in a bemusedly good mood when cracking the book. I've described before that this is a Kafkaesque work of someone awaiting execution for a crime that doesn't make sense. Beginning a book like that is somewhat confusing and disconcerting because nothing makes sense by design. But in chapter 8 the protagonist, Cincinnatus, starts writing a soliloquy of how he's never fit in that just flowed like a stream of consciousness that vividly made sense. I completely lost myself in it (I later reread it while listening to somewhat challenging music on headphones and it didn't work at all; full attention had to be paid) as only happens in certain books. Anyway I 100% understand why this is considered one of his major works even though I doubt many people have read it.
Posted by: Captain Hate at November 24, 2019 10:28 AM (y7DUB)


You have been championing the work of Nabakov for some time, and I might eventually take up the subject myself. You do a good job of promoting it, with solid descriptions.

As for the haut med students, I wish to subscribe to your doctor's newsletter. I spend time around medical personnel, and I mean no disrespect to anyone here when I say this... attractive nurses are just so... mundane. But attractive doctors... egad.

It's a mountain I have not yet climbed, but someday, even with each passing year it becomes less and less likely, someday I wish to climb that mountain.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 10:36 AM (hku12)

207 Just finished Torchship Pilot, the second in the Torchship trilogy by Karl K Gallagher. Two things I am enjoying in this series: the protagonist is a strong female lead that is neither an unrealistic ass-kicker nor an sjw scold; and the story presents an interesting premise for how artificial intelligence might go awry and cause havoc.

Posted by: DIY Daddio at November 24, 2019 10:36 AM (RJscS)

208 Wonder if I should get my mom Dennis Prager's teachings of the first books of the bible for Christmas.

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 10:36 AM (ZCEU2)

209 I had a thing for Shirley MacLaine.The callow lad I was liked What a Way to Go! That was before I saw her books. Or knew that actresses were to be avoided.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 24, 2019 10:36 AM (u82oZ)

210 191 one reason the Nazis do less damage is because deep down the average Nazi knows he's one of the baddies. this mitigates some of the evil orders he (too often, she) gets.

--

spraken sie Nazis:

Hitler has only got one ball
Goring has two but very small
Himmler is rather sim'lar
But poor old Goebbels has no balls at all

Posted by: vmom happy to have college kid home at November 24, 2019 10:37 AM (G546f)

211 I'm waiting for Amazon to deliver today a book about artisanal cheesemaking. One thing that I have yet to try.


There was a thread (the food thread?) this week where someone claimed that all it takes to make ricotta is heating up milk to below boiling and adding some acid, half lemon juice half vinegar.

I can see playing with the recipe once it's been developed, hey couldn't we cut the sourness of lemon by adding some vinegar to it? But who comes up with it in the first place? How does humanity innovate? Who first said hey I'll try not quite boiling milk and adding vinegar to it and maybe I'll get curds?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2019 10:38 AM (gd9RK)

212 (as the timing of the smear job on Palin was also strategic).
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 24, 2019 10:29 AM (H8QX


When I cast my 2016 vote for DJT, a large part of it was a personal "fuck you" to every piece of shit who destroyed Palin's political future. And that was only step one.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 24, 2019 10:38 AM (y7DUB)

213 Elise Stefanik is Mollie's little sister ?

possibly

Posted by: REDACTED at November 24, 2019 10:39 AM (rpxSz)

214 Goebbels must have had at least one ball. He was dicking every starlet in the Reich.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:39 AM (XVuno)

215 The sign on the bottom picture is wrong. A good man can do that, too.

Posted by: creeper at November 24, 2019 10:39 AM (fE1wp)

216 214 Goebbels must have had at least one ball. He was dicking every starlet in the Reich.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:39 AM (XVuno)
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"Nice body you have there, shame if something happened to it."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 10:40 AM (WEBkv)

217 There was a thread (the food thread?) this week where someone claimed that all it takes to make ricotta is heating up milk to below boiling and adding some acid, half lemon juice half vinegar.

I can see playing with the recipe once it's been developed, hey couldn't we cut the sourness of lemon by adding some vinegar to it? But who comes up with it in the first place? How does humanity innovate? Who first said hey I'll try not quite boiling milk and adding vinegar to it and maybe I'll get curds?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2019 10:38 AM (gd9RK)
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A friend of mine came across that recipe (called "farm cheese") and made some. I've tried it, it is quite tasty.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 24, 2019 10:40 AM (3Z6pZ)

218 I can see playing with the recipe once it's been developed, hey couldn't we cut the sourness of lemon by adding some vinegar to it? But who comes up with it in the first place? How does humanity innovate? Who first said hey I'll try not quite boiling milk and adding vinegar to it and maybe I'll get curds?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2019 10:38 AM (gd9RK)

Who was first to eat an oyster?....had to be a dare.

Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2019 10:40 AM (X/Pw5)

219 Hitler has only got one ball
The other is in the Albert Hall
His mother, the dirty bugger
Cut it off when he was small

Posted by: vmom happy to have college kid home at November 24, 2019 10:41 AM (G546f)

220 Maybe it was low boil milk, add bad wine, toss in oats, hey wait something is happening before the oats.

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 10:41 AM (ZCEU2)

221 Who Dis? : TS ELLIOT obviously reading Shirley's space rantings........

Space craft descending on hot librarians for probing and late fines...$4,000.000.ooo. light year fines forgiven.............

Posted by: saf at November 24, 2019 10:41 AM (5IHGB)

222 Good grief, Muldoon. Your mind works in strange and mysterious ways.

Posted by: creeper at November 24, 2019 10:42 AM (fE1wp)

223 She threw it into the apple tree
It fell in to the deep blue sea
The fishes got out their dishes
And had scallops and bollocks for tea

Posted by: vmom happy to have college kid home at November 24, 2019 10:42 AM (G546f)

224 214 Goebbels must have had at least one ball. He was dicking every starlet in the Reich.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:39 AM (XVuno)

achtongue !!

Posted by: REDACTED at November 24, 2019 10:42 AM (rpxSz)

225 And no one has remarked that Shirley is only wearing a book-bra???
It's like I don't even . . .

Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 10:42 AM (r9XMB)

226 It's not even a dirty Catullus poem?!


I know, right?

"Catullus 85 is a poem by the Roman poet Catullus for his mistress, Lesbia.

"Odi et amo. quare id faciam fortasse requiris.
nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior.'"


I hate and I love. Why do I do this, perhaps you ask.
I do not know, but I feel it happening and I am tortured"

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2019 10:42 AM (gd9RK)

227 If Barr was going to bring the hammer down, would he have made that speech...? I don't think so. I think he would have stayed quiet and let the prosecutions speak for themselves.

Posted by: ... at November 24, 2019 10:42 AM (uEbPt)

228
222 Good grief, Muldoon. Your mind works in strange and mysterious ways.
Posted by: creeper at November 24, 2019 10:42 AM (fE1wp)

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And to think, just a short while ago he was treating patients!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:42 AM (XVuno)

229 I can see playing with the recipe once it's been developed, hey couldn't we cut the sourness of lemon by adding some vinegar to it? But who comes up with it in the first place? How does humanity innovate? Who first said hey I'll try not quite boiling milk and adding vinegar to it and maybe I'll get curds?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2019 10:38 AM (gd9RK)

Many food and drink items we enjoy today probably came about due to preparation mistakes or accidents, way back when. Or something left too long in the sun or over the fire. For example, plexiglas was the result of a chem lab mistake, IIRC.

Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2019 10:43 AM (AMIL/)

230 Who was first to eat an oyster?....had to be a dare.
Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2019 10:40 AM (X/Pw5)
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I'm more curious about how people got tapioca or manioc, whose precursors are actually poisonous. Okay, Tepu just keeled over, maybe we gotta squeeze the roots some more."

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 24, 2019 10:44 AM (3Z6pZ)

231 one reason the Nazis do less damage is because deep down the average Nazi knows he's one of the baddies. this mitigates some of the evil orders he (too often, she) gets.

the commies - and it goes back to Robespierre - seem to really believe they're good.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 24, 2019 10:30 AM (mR+TH)


There was one of those sour face lefties who used to appear on Fox, I forget her name, but it'll come to me in a moment... and I'm not going to bother to update this comment...

Anyhoo, as the 2000 election results were coming in, she was gloating, as were most lefties, then in the days afterwards, as some are focusing on the Florida mess, she's attempting to analyze why the Democrats were losing. Her conclusion: they were too nice. The Republicans were dirty and mean, while the Democrats were going to easy on the right, so her belief was that the winning strategy for the future was to become more like the Republicans.

I think she really believed it, that they were the good guys, being bullied and pushed around by the bad guys. But honestly, today's Democrats? I think they know they're the bad guys. Surely they do.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 10:44 AM (hku12)

232

Myrna Loy?

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 10:44 AM (IUsit)

233 Wonder if I should get my mom Dennis Prager's teachings of the first books of the bible for Christmas.
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My wife loves those. She has read Genesis and is onto Exodus now, I believe. (We think Dennis is a latent Christian.) Either way, he can add biblical scholar to his resume.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 24, 2019 10:44 AM (7Fj9P)

234 Who was first to eat an oyster?....had to be a dare.
Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2019 10:40 AM (X/Pw5)
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How about the first person to eat an egg? "Sure, let me have that thing that just came out of that chicken's rear end. I'll crack it open and eat it."

Posted by: bluebell at November 24, 2019 10:45 AM (/669Q)

235 140 Muldoon, a funny Nyquil story. We go up to Camp Geiger for ITR. The company forms, and we were given a relatively unsupervised exchange call. A few of the brothers deciding they had colds, bought Nyquil, and looked and felt their very best falling out on the company street at 0330, with rifles, all 782 gear and a troop handler who was going to get us to the first range in record time.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at November 24, 2019 10:45 AM (C1Lsn)

236 And to think, just a short while ago he was treating patients!
Posted by: Cicero



********

Well I used to. Until they tried to make me a health care provider, then I resigned.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 24, 2019 10:46 AM (m45I2)

237 How about the first person to eat an egg? "Sure, let me have that thing that just came out of that chicken's rear end. I'll crack it open and eat it."

Posted by: bluebell at November 24, 2019 10:45 AM (/669Q)


If you're hungry enough, you'll try to eat almost anything.

Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2019 10:46 AM (AMIL/)

238 When I cast my 2016 vote for DJT, a large part of it was a personal "fuck you" to every piece of shit who destroyed Palin's political future. And that was only step one.
Posted by: Captain Hate at November 24, 2019 10:38 AM (y7DUB)

I'm with you on that. Trump was Revenge of Palin.

They famously had pizza together in NY in like 2011. I think at some point he ended up asking her about everything to expect if he ran for president so he could game plan and strategize. She knew more than anyone about what he could expect and who the bastards in the party were.

Posted by: ... at November 24, 2019 10:46 AM (uEbPt)

239 I'm more curious about how people got tapioca or manioc, whose precursors are actually poisonous. Okay, Tepu just keeled over, maybe we gotta squeeze the roots some more."

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 24, 2019 10:44 AM (3Z6pZ)

Maybe fugu....what part do you NOT eat?

Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2019 10:46 AM (X/Pw5)

240 230 Who was first to eat an oyster?....had to be a dare.
Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2019 10:40 AM (X/Pw5)


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And then there's the guy who discovered you can get high by licking the right kind of toad.

The name of that innovating genius has somehow been lost to the mists of history...

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:47 AM (XVuno)

241 Shirley was always a flake. Lemmon, IIRC, graduated from one of the Ivy League schools. There was no way they would've been a good fit. And yet it's impossible to watch "The Apartment" and imagine anyone else in their roles. Kudos to Billy Wilder for making it work.

Posted by: creeper at November 24, 2019 10:47 AM (fE1wp)

242 How about the first person to eat an egg? "Sure,
let me have that thing that just came out of that chicken's rear end.
I'll crack it open and eat it."





Posted by: bluebell at November 24, 2019 10:45 AM (/669Q)

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LOL.The norm for most of history was people living on the brink of starvation. Like boggies, you pretty much crammed whatever you could find into your mouth and if it didn't kill you right then, you did it again.

Only someone with a quiet stomach and fridge full of food would wonder about these things.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 10:48 AM (cfSRQ)

243 Maybe fugu....what part do you NOT eat?
Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2019 10:46 AM (X/Pw5)

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The trial and error process must have racked up an impressive body count.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:48 AM (XVuno)

244 Maybe fugu....what part do you NOT eat?
Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2019 10:46 AM (X/Pw5)
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"Hiro, you try this...Asami, you try this..."

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 24, 2019 10:48 AM (3Z6pZ)

245 If you're hungry enough, you'll try to eat almost anything.
Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2019 10:46 AM (AMIL/)

this

Posted by: Schmundie lover at November 24, 2019 10:48 AM (rpxSz)

246 If you're hungry enough, you'll try to eat almost anything.
Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2019 10:46 AM (AMIL/)

Yup....plus millions of years ago in the wild, wild jungle our ancestors would see an animal eat something and they probably said "what the hell, give it a try".

Like Baltimore on a Saturday night.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 24, 2019 10:49 AM (Z+IKu)

247 think she really believed it, that they were the good guys, being bullied and pushed around by the bad guys. But honestly, today's Democrats? I think they know they're the bad guys. Surely they do.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 10:44 AM (hku12)

Funny I don't think so. I think they've always known they were commie pricks, and lied for the fun of it. Maybe there were some useful idiots along the way, but I think they've known and know.

They see too much of what goes on in D circles (and some R ones) to believe they are fighting for anything but raw naked power.

Posted by: ... at November 24, 2019 10:49 AM (uEbPt)

248 Some hit movie on Trump is in the works right now with Brendan Gleeson as Trump. I expect its release will be timed for October 2020 (as the timing of the smear job on Palin was also strategic).
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 24, 2019 10:29 AM (H8QX


Brendan Gleeson looks like a troll. He knows he looks like a troll. It's why he gets work, because sometimes movies need trolls.

I guess he'll ditch the Scottish accent for this one, but otherwise we already know how it will go.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 10:49 AM (hku12)

249 Anyone here ever read the Epic Poem of Gilgamesh?
It has accounts of a great flood, a tower of Babel story, large men (Nephelim) and other stories from Genesis.
Who plagiarized whom?

Posted by: attila the thrilla at November 24, 2019 10:50 AM (w7KSn)

250 Okay people, thanks so much! Now you have me thinking about reading TS Eliot poetry (with or without Shirley's boobs being involved) when I have so many other books going on. Hope he's better than Robert Frost, who was a disappointment when I read him as an adult.

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 10:52 AM (bmdz3)

251 Gleeson is Irish. He taught HS Gaelic before acting kicked in

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 10:53 AM (DPNfp)

252 Anyone here ever read the Epic Poem of Gilgamesh?
It has accounts of a great flood, a tower of Babel story, large men (Nephelim) and other stories from Genesis.
Who plagiarized whom?

Posted by: attila the thrilla at November 24, 2019 10:50 AM (w7KSn)

Lots of flood stories from lots of cultures....ever read any "climate change" whining from any ancient texts?

Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2019 10:54 AM (X/Pw5)

253 think she really believed it, that they were the good guys, being bullied and pushed around by the bad guys. But honestly, today's Democrats? I think they know they're the bad guys. Surely they do.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 10:44 AM (hku12)

Funny I don't think so. I think they've always known they were commie pricks, and lied for the fun of it. Maybe there were some useful idiots along the way, but I think they've known and know.

They see too much of what goes on in D circles (and some R ones) to believe they are fighting for anything but raw naked power.
Posted by: ... at November 24, 2019 10:49 AM (uEbPt)


Maybe.

I suppose it's possible that the closer you got to the top, the more you knew.

I think it is different today though, in that there are wide swaths of these lefties, in the government, in the media, even commoners in the hinterlands. They once thought they were doing good, but now... they know. They know it's all a sham, that raw naked power is the thing, and I think there's generally only one way to beat these types. Total war.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 10:54 AM (hku12)

254 two things the irish should be eternally grateful to the english for:

1. the english language

2. georgian architecture

Posted by: mjc at November 24, 2019 10:54 AM (Pg+x7)

255 Shirley was always a flake. Lemmon, IIRC, graduated
from one of the Ivy League schools. There was no way they would've been a
good fit. And yet it's impossible to watch "The Apartment" and imagine
anyone else in their roles. Kudos to Billy Wilder for making it work.


Posted by: creeper at November 24, 2019 10:47 AM (fE1wp)

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I remember seeing the film and also finding it to be a letdown after everyone built it up. Mark Steyn's a big fan but I found it kind of 'meh.' Nice sendup of Mad Men corporate culture, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a sucker for nostalgia in films, but that one wasn't all that. YMMV.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 10:55 AM (cfSRQ)

256 I get that lots of cultures have flood stories.
But, an ark?
Tower of Babel?
Nephelim (large men like Goliath)
A bunch of other bits.
Interesting.

Posted by: attila the thrilla at November 24, 2019 10:56 AM (w7KSn)

257 106 Can anyone help with this? There's a C S Lewis essay passage in which he compares the removal of classical literature (and history) from the curriculum with attacking an enemy stronghold. The point is that the first thing you do is isolate it from any help or reinforcements. Which is what the moderns are doing in trying to cut us off from what our ancestors thought.
But I cannot recall where he says it.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 24, 2019 09:57 AM (ZbwAu)


Wow. I've read a lot of Lewis, and I'm stumped. Sorry. But if I had to guess, I'd go with JTB. It sounds like something that would be in his book The Abolition of Man.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 24, 2019 10:56 AM (2cwOe)

258 You have been championing the work of Nabakov for some time, and I might eventually take up the subject myself. You do a good job of promoting it, with solid descriptions.

He, along with Faulkner, are the two people I considered giants of literature who were alive during my lifetime. That's probably giving unfair short shrift to others but that's my line in the sand. I think you're the person who suggested The Great Upheaval so I'm in your debt.

As for the haut med students, I wish to subscribe to your doctor's newsletter. I spend time around medical personnel, and I mean no disrespect to anyone here when I say this... attractive nurses are just so... mundane. But attractive doctors... egad.

My doctor herself is great. She's very down to earth, will drop F bombs on occasion, will refer me to specialists on things that are bugging me and is just an upbeat person to be around. I've had others that are very good but not like her.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 24, 2019 10:56 AM (y7DUB)

259 wonder if people like to get their picture taken while holding a high brow book they have never read ?

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That literally describes Obama while campaigning for president. Always something helpfully on top of his papers and easily photographed, and then he watched TV the entire time after the suckers bought his story.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 24, 2019 10:57 AM (0GvUH)

260 Anyone know when Barry Obama's presidential memoir is scheduled to be published? Seems it should have been out by now (assuming Bill Ayres is a diligent writer). Maybe he's timing it for when he believes it will do the most damage to Trump in 2020. Or is now delaying it so he can put in his responses to the Horowitz and Durham work.

Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2019 10:57 AM (AMIL/)

261 Fun Fact: English and Gaelic are dIstantly related as daughter languages of Proto Indo-European.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:57 AM (XVuno)

262 Funny I don't think so. I think they've always known they were commie pricks, and lied for the fun of it. Maybe there were some useful idiots along the way, but I think they've known and know.
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I think the genius of the progie-leftards is the way they have shifted a massive part of the global population away from fact based decision making, to emotion based decision making. It's way easier to justify (insert ANYTHING here) when it just "feels right."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 24, 2019 10:57 AM (7Fj9P)

263 Gleeson and Colin Farrell are in In Bruges. Great flick with religious themes.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 10:57 AM (DPNfp)

264 shirley was a regular guy type girl. she was the designated gal pal of the rat pack in the 60's.

Posted by: mjc at November 24, 2019 10:57 AM (Pg+x7)

265 Finally finished Poole's first tome on the Civil War. I suspect finishing the next will probably take as long as the war took.

Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 10:58 AM (r9XMB)

266 Well I used to. Until they tried to make me a health care provider, then I resigned.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 24, 2019 10:46 AM (m45I2)


What is your opinion on the direct primary care model?

Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 10:58 AM (1glZx)

267 Why do that to people's opinion of the rat pack.

Posted by: Quilp at November 24, 2019 10:58 AM (Fxgkp)

268 Hope he's better than Robert Frost, who was a disappointment when I read him as an adult.


Nothing in common except for the word 'poetry'.

Frost is little homilies attempting to sound profound. Eliot is allusion and rhythm and indirection that punches brain buttons and makes the ball bounce around.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2019 10:58 AM (gd9RK)

269 Making my way through Mollie's ( and Carrie Severino's) Justice on Trial. Always admired Mollie for staying even handed regardless of the noise and it is present in her account of Kavanaug confirmation. I will let you know how it ends as soon as I am done with the book.... Somehow I am buoyed by what I read. Our side is not as toothless, powerless and ineffective as I thought. Borking taught us a forced lesson, but more so, spurned us into action. Nothing is taken for granted and realism reigns each time a republican pres is given a chance to seat a SCJ. Justices themselves are, of course, shocked how unjust and seemingly normal, albeit partisan, dem Senators become once they hold hearings. Gorsuch , poor naive man, thought he would get 75(!) votes. He made it with 54.

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 10:58 AM (zr5Kq)

270 That literally describes Obama while campaigning for president. Always something helpfully on top of his papers and easily photographed, and then he watched TV the entire time after the suckers bought his story.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 24, 2019 10:57 AM (0GvUH)

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The tough-minded investigative gumshoes all simultaneously orgasmed when Obama tossed out a gratuitous reference to Kierkegaard.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:59 AM (XVuno)

271 I think it is different today though, in that there
are wide swaths of these lefties, in the government, in the media, even
commoners in the hinterlands. They once thought they were doing good,
but now... they know. They know it's all a sham, that raw naked power
is the thing, and I think there's generally only one way to beat these
types. Total war.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 10:54 AM (hku12)

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Denial cannot be defeated by evidence or logic. A lot of these people are deep in denial.

You can show them what happens when their people take power, you can practically expose the corpses for their viewing, but their brains short out and they can't quite make the connection. "GOP = NAZIS" is embedded in their firmware.

Whatever their allies do, they immediately turn to "Well, if the GOP were in charge, it would be worse. It has to be. I can't be wrong."

I had a moment a while back when I told two retired teachers that are committed Dems what is actually going on the schools with trans kids, shared showers, pronouns, etc. and they were just stunned. Jaws dropping stunned.

But they'll keep voting the same way because reasons.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 10:59 AM (cfSRQ)

272 *unjust and uncivil ..,,

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 10:59 AM (zr5Kq)

273 256 I get that lots of cultures have flood stories.
But, an ark?
Tower of Babel?
Nephelim (large men like Goliath)
A bunch of other bits.
Interesting.
Posted by: attila the thrilla at November 24, 2019 10:56 AM (w7KSn)


I think other cultures have 'ark' stories, but I hadn't heard that there were any other Towel of Babel stories. And when the Greeks wrote about the war between the gods vs. the titans, that almost sounds like a nephelim thing. Just my opinion.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 24, 2019 10:59 AM (2cwOe)

274 If you're hungry enough, you'll try to eat almost anything.
Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2019 10:46 AM (AMIL/)
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Absolutely. I'm convince this is how a lot of food was discovered. I just give major props to the people who decided to take the plunge on some of these.

Posted by: bluebell at November 24, 2019 11:00 AM (/669Q)

275 Lemmon, IIRC, graduated from one of the Ivy League schools. There was no way they would've been a good fit. And yet it's impossible to watch "The Apartment" and imagine anyone else in their roles. Kudos to Billy Wilder for making it work.
Posted by: creeper at November 24, 2019 10:47 AM (fE1wp)

Lemmon was a classmate of my father's at Harvard and a member of Hasty Pudding, the famous undergrad burlesque group. Played piano, sang, danced, very bright and funny guy.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 24, 2019 11:00 AM (H8QX8)

276 A circular building implies the finite. That library is anathema to the idea of writing and books.

Fie on that and the architect.

Why are they all commies these days?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 24, 2019 11:00 AM (1Vobx)

277 I hadn't heard about the Towel of Babel. It must have been incredibly absorbent.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 11:01 AM (XVuno)

278 wonder if people like to get their picture taken while holding a high brow book they have never read ?

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That literally describes Obama while campaigning for president. Always something helpfully on top of his papers and easily photographed, and then he watched TV the entire time after the suckers bought his story.

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BJ Clinton hauling around his NYC telephone book-sized Bible.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 24, 2019 11:01 AM (+y/Ru)

279 Oh, and.., SHIRLEY MCLAINE ! What do I win??

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 11:01 AM (zr5Kq)

280 I get that lots of cultures have flood stories.

But, an ark?

Tower of Babel?

Nephelim (large men like Goliath)

A bunch of other bits.

Interesting.

Posted by: attila the thrilla at November 24, 2019 10:56 AM (w7KSn)

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They are literally next to each other. It's not a great mystery.

What would be weird is if the same story were found in the mountains of Antarctica by the guys with non-Euclidean architecture.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 11:01 AM (cfSRQ)

281 Then you go down into the comments, and readers are giving Kindle editions 1 star ratings, saying things like "this is a crap version, slapped together with multiple typos and bad formatting.

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BurtTC, there is a trick to it with all Amazon reviews that I am writing from memory so you may have to explore a bit.

The reviews on the main page have a " reviews" link just above and to the left. Click on that and it will take you to a review page where there will be the top/helpful positive and critical reviews.

Underneath those will be a row of pull down menus to filter the reviews. IIRC the one on the far right will let you choose the item for sale's reviews and no others.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 24, 2019 11:02 AM (0GvUH)

282 274 If you're hungry enough, you'll try to eat almost anything.
Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2019 10:46 AM (AMIL/)
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Absolutely. I'm convince this is how a lot of food was discovered. I just give major props to the people who decided to take the plunge on some of these.
Posted by: bluebell at November 24, 2019 11:00 AM (/669Q)

Crustaceans. I mean, those suckers are creepy. Yet, so very very tasty.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 24, 2019 11:02 AM (NWiLs)

283 I would point out that the election of Lincoln set off the civil war, though the problem had been festering for a long time.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 11:02 AM (1glZx)

284 273

it's obviously Ancient Aliens

Posted by: vmom happy to have college kid home at November 24, 2019 11:02 AM (G546f)

285 The tough-minded investigative gumshoes all simultaneously orgasmed when Obama tossed out a gratuitous reference to Kierkegaard.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:59 AM (XVuno)
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The one who just sat there bitin' the heads off whippets?

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 24, 2019 11:02 AM (3Z6pZ)

286 I think I read it here first that Shirley McClain was the only woman in Hollywood Sinatra wasn't boinking or attempting to boink. As Rat Pack mascot, strictly off limits.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at November 24, 2019 11:03 AM (C1Lsn)

287 Towel of Babel is my new favorite cucumber.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 24, 2019 11:04 AM (0GvUH)

288 Here is a youtube link to the full audio book, read in scholarly English, of the Epic Poem of Gilgamesh.
Some of it is tiresome, but not all of it.
It is under 2 hours for the whole thing.
The back story is that a bunch of tablets of cuneiform were discovered in present day Iraq, some years ago, taken to the British museum where they were translated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPYf8AwNvKg&t=178s

Posted by: attila the thrilla at November 24, 2019 11:04 AM (w7KSn)

289 attila the thrilla

Robert Silverberg of SF fame wrote a novel treatment called Gilgamesh the King. It was a tough go for me, but others may really like it.

He also wrote a well received novella "Gilgamesh in the Outback" about Gilgamesh and his adventures in Hell.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 24, 2019 11:04 AM (u82oZ)

290 Trump wants a Senate trial. He'll testify. He's watching Al Pacino in Scent of a Woman to hone his speech

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 11:04 AM (DPNfp)

291 The tough-minded investigative gumshoes all simultaneously orgasmed when Obama tossed out a gratuitous reference to Kierkegaard.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:59 AM (XVuno)

I'm surprised he didn't call him Kirk E. Gard.

Posted by: ... at November 24, 2019 11:04 AM (uEbPt)

292 268 ... "Frost is little homilies attempting to sound profound. Eliot is allusion and rhythm and indirection that punches brain buttons and makes the ball bounce around."

Bander, Thanks for that. It sounds encouraging. I must have read some Eliot poems over the years but nothing comes to mind at the moment.

Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 11:04 AM (bmdz3)

293 285 The tough-minded investigative gumshoes all simultaneously orgasmed when Obama tossed out a gratuitous reference to Kierkegaard.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:59 AM (XVuno)

Then when he said he read "Niebhur", same reaction. Later in his term when asked what books he had on his nightstand he said he didn't have time for books after flossing and watching SportsCenter. But no one wanted to report that.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 24, 2019 11:04 AM (H8QX8)

294 From KT's post yesterday, a quote from Murray's book, quoting an academic: "I grew up in Eastern Europe during the Cold War. I do not indulge in recreational Marxism." Don Jr.'s time in commie Czechoslovakia may have enlightened him in regards to the true nature of atheist commie control over man's free will.


Donald Trump back in the late 80's already saw the problem of the "global free trade" mantra undermining American interests, including union workers and construction interests. Perhaps it was self interest, but the "better part" was to maintain American Liberty, not service the globalist banking cabal via China enrichment and destructive monetary policy, which served up Main Street (Martha?) to Wall Street gamblers (money changers?).


But Wall Street won, and globalism serves mammon, and Google leads the way to their new religion. "It's the economy, stupid" has largely replaced "One Nation Under God" as the clarion call to being elected. So the market (bubble) has to be maintained through 2020 ... negative rates and QE might save the day for now, idk. Americanism (and all nations' sovereignty) must defeat the NWO globalists.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 24, 2019 11:04 AM (Cus5s)

295 287 Towel of Babel is my new favorite cucumber.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 24, 2019 11:04 AM (0GvUH)

Gets you dry in a hundred different languages.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 24, 2019 11:05 AM (NWiLs)

296 Nothing in common except for the word 'poetry'.

Frost is little homilies attempting to sound profound. Eliot is allusion and rhythm and indirection that punches brain buttons and makes the ball bounce around.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2019 10:58 AM (gd9RK)


Eliot is another one of those writers I hope to tackle one day, and I like your description here too.

I heard him reading a short excerpt from "The Wasteland," and a day or so later I had a dream about it, as if my own mind had been placed on a track by the words, the cadence, and in my dream it seemed to make sense, but it was probably garbled nonsense.

That being said, Eliot was born in St. Louis. No way his accent was not an affectation.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 11:06 AM (hku12)

297 Can anyone help with this? There's a C S Lewis essay passage in which he compares the removal of classical literature (and history) from the curriculum with attacking an enemy stronghold. The point is that the first thing you do is isolate it from any help or reinforcements. Which is what the moderns are doing in trying to cut us off from what our ancestors thought.
But I cannot recall where he says it.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 24, 2019 09:57 AM (ZbwAu)

Wow. I've read a lot of Lewis, and I'm stumped. Sorry. But if I had to guess, I'd go with JTB. It sounds like something that would be in his book The Abolition of Man.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 24, 2019 10:56 AM (2cwOe)

Men Without Chests?

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at November 24, 2019 11:06 AM (Uu+Jp)

298 Thanks to WeirdDave, I've been engrossed in the multi-book-length tale being told at

https://deathworlders.com/

where us humans are unleashed on an unsuspecting galaxy. Recommended.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2019 11:07 AM (Z4rgH)

299 279 Oh, and.., SHIRLEY MCLAINE ! What do I win??
Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 11:01 AM (zr5Kq)

a three day old oyster topped with a generous portion of natto

Posted by: Schmundie lover at November 24, 2019 11:08 AM (rpxSz)

300 Frank Stanford is a good Southern poet to test out. Killed himself young IIRC in the mid 70s but left a few hard to find books. Well, they were. It's probably trivially easy now.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 24, 2019 11:08 AM (0GvUH)

301 Well, time to get stuff done. Later, everyone!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 11:08 AM (cfSRQ)

302 Men Without Chests?
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We can dance if we want to
We can leave your friends behind..
wait, that's Men Without Hats. Never mind.

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 11:08 AM (zr5Kq)

303
Gleeson is Irish.

Posted by: Ignoramus




I read this as Gilgamesh. Because I'm senile.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 11:09 AM (IUsit)

304 I'm with you on that. Trump was Revenge of Palin.

They famously had pizza together in NY in like 2011. I think at some point he ended up asking her about everything to expect if he ran for president so he could game plan and strategize. She knew more than anyone about what he could expect and who the bastards in the party were.
Posted by: ... at November 24, 2019 10:46 AM (uEbPt)


This makes sense.

Btw, Shirley MacLaine was a big Kucinich fan when he was a terrible mayor of Cleveland.

Just reached the point in Herodotus where the battle of Salamis pretty much decimated Xerxes fleet and he's thinking maybe it's time to get back to Persia. Herodotus has no way of knowing this but I wonder if Xerxes thought it was pretty fucking dumb (for the wrong reason) for "punishing" Poseidon for the storm that wrecked his bridges.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 24, 2019 11:09 AM (y7DUB)

305 Gonna FaceTime with my parents, if anyone wants to say hi.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 11:09 AM (t+qrx)

306 a three day old oyster topped with a generous portion of natto

Posted by: Schmundie lover at November 24, 2019 11:08 AM (rpxSz)
why u try to keel me ?

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 11:10 AM (zr5Kq)

307 Chuck Todd has Fusion GPS founders to spin the origins of the Dossier

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 11:10 AM (DPNfp)

308 Btw, Shirley MacLaine was a big Kucinich fan when he was a terrible mayor of Cleveland.
Posted by: Captain Hate at November 24, 2019 11:09 AM (y7DUB)


Read this as "Kucinich the Terrible, Mayor of Cleve-Land".

Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 11:10 AM (t+qrx)

309 Gonna FaceTime with my parents, if anyone wants to say hi.

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Make sure you know what's in the camera's view.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 24, 2019 11:10 AM (0GvUH)

310 Humans were eating eggs and oysters long before we were humans. All critters will eat eggs if they find them, and humans are probably better at opening oysters than most other mammals.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 24, 2019 11:10 AM (Fivc7)

311 I think the genius of the progie-leftards is the way they have shifted a massive part of the global population away from fact based decision making, to emotion based decision making. It's way easier to justify (insert ANYTHING here) when it just "feels right."
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 24, 2019 10:57 AM (7Fj9P)

Taking advantage of a known natural human strength - our desire to believe in and *be* something that feels moral and Right and just - and turning it into weakness.

Mainly by filling everyone's heads with extraordinarily consistent lies.

I see Satan's hand in everything the Left does. No group of mere mortals could guide and control so effectively without first having all the guns.

Posted by: ... at November 24, 2019 11:11 AM (uEbPt)

312 Turn off Chuck Todd. That is an order, mister.

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 11:11 AM (zr5Kq)

313 Make sure you know what's in the camera's view.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 24, 2019 11:10 AM (0GvUH)


*checks preview*

there. is. a. cat. right. behind. me.

O_O

Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 11:11 AM (t+qrx)

314 Humans were eating eggs and oysters long before we were humans.

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Probably as far back as when we were otters.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 11:12 AM (XVuno)

315 I just downloaded from Hoopla The Book of Swindles. Thanks for the recommendation. Will read it after the holidays.

I used to read Pastis' Pearls Before Swine comic strip, but then he's become so woke his cartoon characters don't make me laugh anymore. Sad.

Posted by: Oggi at November 24, 2019 11:12 AM (Bk5Q+)

316 I see that the Giuliani dead man switch has been activated:

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1198352974000644097

"They're going to try to kill me" he says.

Posted by: Anonymous 7 at November 24, 2019 11:12 AM (HcHqw)

317 >>Chuck Todd has Fusion GPS founders to spin the origins of the Dossier

Someone is getting nervous.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2019 11:12 AM (ZLI7S)

318 Then you go down into the comments, and readers are giving Kindle editions 1 star ratings, saying things like "this is a crap version, slapped together with multiple typos and bad formatting.

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BurtTC, there is a trick to it with all Amazon reviews that I am writing from memory so you may have to explore a bit.

The reviews on the main page have a " reviews" link just above and to the left. Click on that and it will take you to a review page where there will be the top/helpful positive and critical reviews.

Underneath those will be a row of pull down menus to filter the reviews. IIRC the one on the far right will let you choose the item for sale's reviews and no others.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 24, 2019 11:02 AM (0GvUH)


Thanks, that might be useful, but it doesn't change the fact that Kindle doesn't offer different editions of some books. Often just a sloppy public domain version, when there are much better versions in print.

So what it often boils down to is, buy a print version for not much more than the Kindle version, wait a few days, and get what I want, or take a chance on the Kindle version, only to be disappointed, as often as not.

It's a failure of a platform, if you ask me.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 11:13 AM (hku12)

319 Humans were eating eggs and oysters long before we were humans. All critters will eat eggs if they find them, and humans are probably better at opening oysters than most other mammals.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 24, 2019 11:10 AM (Fivc7)

This is AoS....no rationality allowed.

Posted by: BignJames at November 24, 2019 11:13 AM (X/Pw5)

320 What is your opinion on the direct primary care model?

*******

I think it is a good option but in a limited way. Relatively healthy people who need or want screening type tests or minor acute care are the bread and butter. It doesn't replace insurance for specialized imaging, hospitalizations, ER visits or major surgeries. It is a little bit like cherry-picking, in that it skims some of the healthy cream. (mixed metaphors allowed when under the influence of medication).

I think a lot of direct primary care docs do not have admitting privileges at an inpatient facility and even if they do, they leave hospital care to facility-employed hospitalists.

I suspect in a nationalized system they would be assimilated under the umbrella of the system.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 24, 2019 11:13 AM (m45I2)

321 Coastal Indians were peacefully creating enormous shell middens while backwards Europeans were struggling with navigating oceans.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 24, 2019 11:14 AM (0GvUH)

322 I watch Psycho Joe and Chuck Todd regularly. It's like I'm a LLRP deep behind enemy lines

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 11:15 AM (DPNfp)

323 I just want to pay for everything up to $5k or $10k or so, and I'll give you $70 a month to take care of any rare medical events above that.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 24, 2019 11:16 AM (0GvUH)

324 I think my sister got my wee nephew a pair of adorable shell middens for the winter.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 11:16 AM (t+qrx)

325 >>Coastal Indians were peacefully creating enormous shell middens while backwards Europeans were struggling with navigating oceans.

The pilgrims were exceptionally lucky they landed in Plymouth Bay. A cornucopia if easy to source seafood and helpful indians to show them how.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2019 11:17 AM (ZLI7S)

326 That library looks a bit like a Catholic church I went to once; it was nicknamed St. Galactica.

I started reading The Shadow of the Wind, the English translation of La sombra del viento, by Carlos Ruiz Zafón. I had been thinking about ordering the original version but found this in a bookstore display.

I had resisted recommendations to read it because everyone described it as "gothic" which usually means crappy supernatural fare, and his YA novels are magical realistic. But then I read an interview in which he said he'd never sell the film rights and thought, "He's a guy with good ideas."

So far, ao good.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at November 24, 2019 11:17 AM (/+bwe)

327 Embarrassing moment Joe Biden lists FOUR potential female vice presidential picks - but can't remember any of their names

https://dailym.ai/35qwARC

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Among those he meant but whose name he couldn't recall is Tank Abrams.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 24, 2019 11:18 AM (+y/Ru)

328 That being said, Eliot was born in St. Louis. No way his accent was not an affectation.

He lived many years in England, one acquires accents without necessarily affecting them.

I'd allow a little New England into my accent when I lived there because it's fun to play with. I'd say I cahn't do something, but I'd never go full Townie.

Since I don't have a native regional accent in German I can let my accent wander all around depending on whom I'm speaking with. I know some people get all briny about affectations, but many are organic.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2019 11:18 AM (gd9RK)

329 Okay, I'm stopping at a shell station and buying a pair of gloves.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 24, 2019 11:18 AM (0GvUH)

330 I like cornucopia. It is very good on a grill, also steamed and/or fried in deep fryer.

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 11:20 AM (zr5Kq)

331 I like cornucopia. It is very good on a grill, also steamed and/or fried in deep fryer.
Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 11:20 AM (zr5Kq)


Maizeucopia.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at November 24, 2019 11:21 AM (t+qrx)

332 Among those he meant but whose name he couldn't recall is Tank Abrams.


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What the heck? Is this a trial balloon or the friggin' Macy's Thanksgiving Parade?

Posted by: Muldoon at November 24, 2019 11:21 AM (m45I2)

333

Three little kiddens they lost their middens
and they began to cry

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 24, 2019 11:23 AM (aKsyK)

334 The pilgrims were exceptionally lucky they landed in Plymouth Bay. A cornucopia if easy to source seafood and helpful indians to show them how.


Including one, Squanto, who had been captured twice by the British and escaped as many times who spoke English.

Also his whole village had died in his absence and he needed friends. The pilgrims were right proper bastards about finding the Indians' food caches and plundering them because it never occurred to those religious fanatics that moving to Massachusetts in November without knowing how to fish or farm might just be daft.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2019 11:23 AM (gd9RK)

335
At Costco, picked up and looked at Edison by Edmund Morris. Annoyed to see the biography starting in 1931, the year Edison died, and working its way back to his childhood. Did not buy.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 24, 2019 11:23 AM (7rVsF)

336 See? All the smart politicians keep their women in binders.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 11:23 AM (XVuno)

337 Annoyed to see the biography starting in 1931, the year Edison died, and working its way back to his childhood.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 24, 2019 11:23 AM (7rVsF)


So it goes.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 11:24 AM (t+qrx)

338 Muldoon, there are some people working with it, and with alternate insurance models that are of the opinion that the current system is too broken to fix, and this is a way around it.
I have no feel for the subject and I appreciate your view.

I find it fascinating, though. I have been listening to a podcast called the Accad and Koka report, which talks of such things.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 11:24 AM (1glZx)

339 Squanto actually lived in England for several years, IIRC. How funny would it be to be setting up a settlement in the wilds of the New World only to be approached by an Indian speaking English with a Tory accent?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 11:26 AM (XVuno)

340 Chuck Todd's panel dancing around why don't blacks like Mayor Pete. Heh

They won't say the obvious. Not just gay. Swarmy metrosexual gay

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 11:26 AM (DPNfp)

341
Do Jews just call it 'The Testament?'


Tanakh.

Posted by: Grannymimi at November 24, 2019 11:26 AM (u5LFV)

342 136 The proposed Israel National Library is impressive. I wonder what the Palestinian National Library looks like.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:10 AM (XVuno)


You can only have so many Korans.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 24, 2019 11:27 AM (2cwOe)

343
What I did buy was Normandy '44 by James Holland. While not rah-rah, it's a good counterweight to people like Max Hastings, who always say the Allies were outclassed tactically by the Germans.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 24, 2019 11:28 AM (7rVsF)

344 I had a thing for Shirley MacLaine.The callow lad I was liked What a Way to Go! That was before I saw her books. Or knew that actresses were to be avoided.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 24, 2019 10:36 AM (u82oZ)



"Gambit" and "My Geisha" era Shirley Maclaine was quite the delish dish.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 24, 2019 11:28 AM (kauXV)

345 "The Spanish Civil War," by Stanley Payne (A Cambridge Essential History).

I approached this one with caution, because everything I've ever read about the conflict was infused with a leftwing perspective... at a minimum.

This one is different. It's an academic history, with all that that entails, not a popular history (think Barbara Tuchman).

This book is neutral and objective (Gulp! How often does THAT happen?) I learned a great deal. I learned far more about the political events that led to the war than anything else.

Posted by: mnw at November 24, 2019 11:28 AM (Cssks)

346 342 136 The proposed Israel National Library is impressive. I wonder what the Palestinian National Library looks like.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:10 AM (XVuno)

You can only have so many Korans.
Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 24, 2019 11:27 AM (2cwOe)

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Someone upthread mentioned they'd have to leave plenty of space for copies of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 11:29 AM (XVuno)

347 "Denial cannot be defeated by evidence or logic. A lot of these people are deep in denial."

true, and government workers are directly enriched by their belief system (they are in the commie reward structure).


But those with children suffering under their dogma are less tied to the commie beliefs ... they bare the burden, (tax and other costs, children badly educated, lower quality jobs, etc.) ... THOSE are the ones that can see the light ... but the MSM has gone into overdrive on their False Narrative ... some real indictments are needed to expose the Fakes and Grifters.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 24, 2019 11:30 AM (Cus5s)

348 Rooftop Korans

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 24, 2019 11:30 AM (aKsyK)

349 About Kindle: I ordered Stephen King's novel The Stand and then got it "updated" to a author's rethink version in which he added scenes with side characters and cellphones. So I found a used hardcover on Amazon and bided my time.

In many cases, a like-new used book has been less expensive than Kindle. And in one case, I received an autographed copy.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at November 24, 2019 11:31 AM (/+bwe)

350
Someone upthread mentioned they'd have to leave plenty of space for copies of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 11:29 AM (XVuno)


They're proud at having a complete run of Der Sturmer in their collection.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 24, 2019 11:31 AM (7rVsF)

351 Tanakh.
Posted by: Grannymimi at November 24, 2019 11:26 AM (u5LFV)


Tanakh is the collector's edition, with the original cinematic cut of the Torah, and also the books of the Prophets and the Ketuvim (Writings).

Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 11:31 AM (t+qrx)

352 ... of the opinion that the current system is too broken to fix, and this is a way around it.

*******

In my view, the current system cannot continue. There are probably ultimately two options, which oddly enough may coexist.

1. Federal takeover of virtually the whole system (facilities, physicians, drugs, insurance) with set delineation of services, reimursements and all the other downsides of central planned economic model.

2. Reversion toward a system of you get the medical care that you yourself want, at a price that is acceptable to both you and the provider.

The bizarre mash-up of government, "private" insurance and the third-party payment system can[t continue.

Ah hell, I'm not thinking clearly. This damn head cold. I'm not expressin this well. C'est la vie

Posted by: Muldoon at November 24, 2019 11:32 AM (m45I2)

353 Rooftop Korans
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 24, 2019 11:30 AM (aKsyK)

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That's what they read from before tossing gays off the roof.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 11:32 AM (XVuno)

354 T(a)- Torah
N (a) - Neviim
K(h) - Ketuvim

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 11:34 AM (zr5Kq)

355 You can only have so many Korans.

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And those are mostly kept on the rooftop.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 24, 2019 11:34 AM (m45I2)

356 It all makes sense now !

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 11:35 AM (zr5Kq)

357 beat me to it.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 24, 2019 11:35 AM (m45I2)

358 Tanakh is the collector's edition, with the original cinematic cut of the Torah, and also the books of the Prophets and the Ketuvim (Writings).


I love it when they give it the whole Criterion Collection treatment.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2019 11:36 AM (gd9RK)

359 On health care insurance:
I belong to Christian Healthcare Ministries which costs me $45/month. It is like a co-op, and they have prescription cards. (There are others who do this, too.)
Start a Health Savings Account, and pay for expenses by asking for the cash price from providers. You will be very surprised when you hear what the cash prices are.
Saved me many thousands. I hope this will be the new model.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2019 11:36 AM (AwPyG)

360 My Grandfather, Matt Thompson, and my great uncle Ralph (Ommie) Thompson wrote and self published a book called First Yankee, David Thompson 1592 - 1628, about the life of his ancestor who was one of the people exploring New England, and who set up a storehouse/trading post on Thompson Island.
Among other things he provided stores to the Pilgrims.

I have a copy, but I should speak with some of my cousins about doing a reprint now that it is much easier to do.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 11:36 AM (1glZx)

361 354: Exactly, the Torah, the Prophets and the Writings.

Posted by: CN at November 24, 2019 11:36 AM (U7k5w)

362 One thing that surprised me when I read "The Spanish Civil War," which I reference above:

The Spanish leftist coalition WELCOMED a civil war for the same reason most wars start-- because they thought they could win... & easily, too. No-one on the left foresaw the reaction that burning churches & disenfranchising Catholics would provoke.

Posted by: mnw at November 24, 2019 11:37 AM (Cssks)

363 Aiee! A Ballhog!

Posted by: filbert at November 24, 2019 11:37 AM (NiXyF)

364 346
342 136 The proposed Israel National Library is impressive. I wonder what the Palestinian National Library looks like.



Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:10 AM (XVuno)



You can only have so many Korans.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor Austere Religious Scholar at November 24, 2019 11:27 AM (2cwOe)



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Someone upthread mentioned they'd have to leave plenty of space for copies of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 11:29 AM (XVuno)

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The audio section consists of a single 1024-bit iPod containing Barack Obama's greatest speeches.

Posted by: ShainS at November 24, 2019 11:38 AM (DlT8P)

365
I saw Enormous Shell Middens open for Garbage in '95 at the Tulsa Civic Center.


Posted by: naturalfake at November 24, 2019 11:38 AM (kauXV)

366 There are a lot of books written about the Spanish Civil war, from the nationalist side. Most are in Spanish.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 11:40 AM (1glZx)

367 We are watching history in real time. The Coup against the President, against George Washington's Peaceful Transfer of Power and ultimately against you and I, is the Greatest Political Scandal in American History, bar none.

Congratulations to authors Smith, Jarrett, McCarthy, Strassel & Co.. They have benefitted by the Propaganda Media's abandonment of the field and all principle in telling this story. Indeed, that is part of the story itself.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 24, 2019 11:40 AM (Ndje9)

368 The Spanish leftist coalition WELCOMED a civil war for the same reason most wars start-- because they thought they could win . . . and beasily, too. No-one on the left foresaw the reaction that burning churches and disenfranchising Catholics would provoke.

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Bull Schiff is bragging that support for impeachment has risen thanks Kangaroo Kongress Kangaroo Kourt.

https://bit.ly/2OhZIEU

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 24, 2019 11:41 AM (+y/Ru)

369 Schiff has got to get tired at some point.

Posted by: The Chicken at November 24, 2019 11:42 AM (XVuno)

370 >>Congratulations to authors Smith, Jarrett, McCarthy, Strassel & Co.. They have benefitted by the Propaganda Media's abandonment of the field and all principle in telling this story. Indeed, that is part of the story itself.

I hope John Solomon writes a book. Nobody has done a better job of reporting on this hoax than he has from the start and the heat he is currently taking shows he is right over the target with Ukraine.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2019 11:43 AM (ZLI7S)

371 Who hacked the DNC server?
The only evidence I know of is the Crowdstrike report and Muellers indictment of a few Russians. No one has looked at the DNC server itself and it sleeps with the fishes

MSNBC AM Joy panel says that if you entertain that Ukraine did any meddling you're a traitorous Russian asset. Trump included

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 11:45 AM (DPNfp)

372 368: Leftist faction wanted Franco to throw in with the Axis and be crushed

Posted by: CN at November 24, 2019 11:45 AM (U7k5w)

373
I suppose this week's MSM mantra will be that Trump is guilty and Republicans who don't acknowledge it are in denial.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 24, 2019 11:46 AM (7rVsF)

374 2. Reversion toward a system of you get the medical care that you
yourself want, at a price that is acceptable to both you and the
provider.

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It used to annoy me to no end to hear Republicans and conservatives (not to pick on him, but Hannity comes to mind first) saying we need to "repeal-and-replace" DeathCare.


Fuck that replace shit -- how about separation of economy and State -- especially healthcare/insurance and State. If only there was something like free-market capitalism that could be tried ...

Posted by: ShainS at November 24, 2019 11:46 AM (4tkjw)

375 >>Who hacked the DNC server?

There is one person sitting in a British jail with a deportation process to the US in the works who knows.

It's interesting how incurious the media has become about Assange.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2019 11:48 AM (ZLI7S)

376 On current trajectory our health care will break the bank

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 11:48 AM (DPNfp)

377 Who hacked the DNC server?


________



His name was Seth Rich.

Posted by: ShainS at November 24, 2019 11:48 AM (4tkjw)

378 Sorry to bring a poll to the book thread, but I'm in and out all day but supporters of the president will be enthused to see African American polling for PDJT. If this 34% approval (registered voters!) holds anything close to true on election day a year from now this election will be devastating. Heck, getting even half this number would be devastating.


https://tinyurl.com/rllg3m8

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 24, 2019 11:48 AM (NVYyb)

379 The entire origin of employer provided health care was in wage and price controls during WWII. Limits were placed on what you could pay an employee, and the employers added company health care clinics in order to attract employees. A benefit, if you will.
Thank you, Henry Kaiser.

Posted by: attila the thrilla at November 24, 2019 11:48 AM (w7KSn)

380 @379. Paid with pre-tax dollars

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 11:51 AM (DPNfp)

381 That being said, Eliot was born in St. Louis. No way his accent was not an affectation.

He lived many years in England, one acquires accents without necessarily affecting them.

I'd allow a little New England into my accent when I lived there because it's fun to play with. I'd say I cahn't do something, but I'd never go full Townie.

Since I don't have a native regional accent in German I can let my accent wander all around depending on whom I'm speaking with. I know some people get all briny about affectations, but many are organic.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2019 11:18 AM (gd9RK)


Sure, but Eliot grew up in a place where people say "Jarge Warsheengtin." No way he got to his stiff upper lip Brit accent without really really trying to get rid of his St. Louis origins.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 11:52 AM (hku12)

382 I belong to Christian Healthcare Ministries which costs me $45/month. It is like a co-op,

*******

Here's the thing. Nationalized health care (aka single payer, aka Medicare for All) requires utter federal control of virtually every single penny spent on health care in the country. I would look for stealth elimination of co-ops such as yours, and absorption or elimination of direct primary care practices.

There may be some market based deals on the fringes, but during the process of nationalizing they will have to exert maximal control. Black market, "after hours".back-door clinics, transborder medical tourism, offshore ship-based facilities et al. may exist on some level, but not for the broad swath of the American public.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 24, 2019 11:52 AM (m45I2)

383 Gov. run health care:

"At some point, you've made enough money"
"At some point, you've lived long enough"
"Get on the cart, useless eater"

Posted by: attila the thrilla at November 24, 2019 11:53 AM (w7KSn)

384 "So the commies murdered him on May 25th, 1948. The world is not going to be set right until people realize that, as bad as nazis are, commies are actually worse."

So true ... and many believe the CIA was formed out of old commies and maybe Nazis, to continue certain globalist goals. The "surrender" of Eastern Bloc to such commie atrocities was abominable, but the commie infiltration of the USA has been devastating to the City on the Hill that Reagan tried to recapture. The Birchers were kicked out of the "National Review Globalist Club" for being too Americanist/anti-Commie, and Michelle Malkin is still a target ... she has pushed for border control since 1992 or so.


Our open borders Congress and the current Coup against Trump's "Americanism" indicates the "globalists" have been successful at grabbing the levers of power, and we only hope the Sleeping Giant is not too long in the tooth to wake up.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 24, 2019 11:54 AM (Cus5s)

385 Cleaning the Augean stable.

...
He's gonna need a bigger Potomac.


A big flood in the Potomac is quite impressive. Put the ?Giant? under water before they moved him out of Hains Point.

What Moron here wouldn't throw a Deep Stater a Life Saver as he's swept downstream. Nobody likes the coconut flavor anyways.

Posted by: DaveA at November 24, 2019 11:54 AM (FhXTo)

386 156 Anyone think the big studios are going to glamorize Devin Nunes in an updated film version of All The President's Men based on the Deep State plot against Trump?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2019 10:15 AM (XVuno)


I think it's scheduled for right after they do that blockbuster film about a young congressman from California, Richard Nixon by name, taking down deep state operative Alger Hiss as a commie spy.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 24, 2019 11:54 AM (2cwOe)

387 "At some point, you've made enough money"
"At some point, you've lived long enough"
"Get on the cart, useless eater"
Posted by: attila the thrilla at November 24, 2019 11:53 AM (w7KSn)


Heh. "At some point, we've spent enough money on your health."

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 24, 2019 11:56 AM (2cwOe)

388 Who hacked the DNC server?

That meme cat. *hic*

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!! at November 24, 2019 11:56 AM (EgshT)

389 Zimbabwe's Health Minister Says Chinese-Made Condoms Are Too "Small"

https://bit.ly/2OgnYaQ

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 24, 2019 11:56 AM (+y/Ru)

390 Muldoon,
I think that's a good point. The "co-op" model, with the cash prices and the no-tax HSA account would be perfect for a lot of people, but it's never promoted, and most have never heard of it. That's by design, of course.

I hope this administration changes that.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2019 11:58 AM (AwPyG)

391 There may be some market based deals on the fringes,
but during the process of nationalizing they will have to exert maximal
control. Black market, "after hours".back-door clinics, transborder
medical tourism, offshore ship-based facilities et al. may exist on some
level, but not for the broad swath of the American public.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 24, 2019 11:52 AM (m45I2)


And medical personnel providing care outside the state-owned system will be illegal, except in these very small, carefully structured exceptions. How is this not a violation of the 13th Amendment

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for
crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist
within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 24, 2019 11:58 AM (NVYyb)

392 373
I suppose this week's MSM mantra will be that Trump is guilty and Republicans who don't acknowledge it are in denial.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 24, 2019 11:46 AM (7rVsF)


They've been hammering on this point even before the impeachment show trial started.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at November 24, 2019 11:58 AM (2cwOe)

393 Greta and the Beanstalk

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7719615

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 24, 2019 11:58 AM (XzVUd)

394 Black market, "after hours".back-door clinics, transborder medical tourism, offshore ship-based facilities et al. may exist on some level, but not for the broad swath of the American public.

=

Those with means will find the best and pay, hush-hush, those without will endure the crap public system. The gov will step in and start outlawing all other means you cited, total collapse of healthcare. From the best in the world, to the worst in the world. I wonder how Sweden and similar do it ? They must have a healthy private system, hospitals and clinics, alongside public ones. World famous Karolinska Institute - is private or public ?

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 11:58 AM (zr5Kq)

395 My health care plan is that when you hit 75 you get the nurse of your choice and all the recreational drugs you want

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 11:58 AM (DPNfp)

396 *is it

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 11:59 AM (zr5Kq)

397 382 I belong to Christian Healthcare Ministries which costs me $45/month. It is like a co-op,


Are you satisfied? I was looking in to them as well as Medishare. CHM is significantly less expensive, but consumer comments were not flattering.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 24, 2019 11:59 AM (H8QX8)

398 If you think President Trump has a monumental challenge dismantling the Deep State in D.C., imagine how deeply entwined the bureaucratic tentacles are in the entire healthcare market. I suspect it will not be dismantled, it will have to collapse.

I joke about There's A Code For That, but unless you've looked at it, the fact that there is literally a govt.-approved code for every imaginable diagnosis and medical procedure, and that this governs payments to providers, is evidence that the system has taken on a life of its own.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 24, 2019 11:59 AM (m45I2)

399 >>They've been hammering on this point even before the impeachment show trial started.

But this time you will believe it, citizen.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2019 12:00 PM (ZLI7S)

400 I suppose this week's MSM mantra will be that Trump is guilty and Republicans who don't acknowledge it are in denial.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 24, 2019 11:46 AM (7rVsF)


That's because he is. He's guilty of wanting to Ukraine to stop acting like a third world shithole, dump bucket for corrupt businesses and American assholes like the Bidens.

He's guilty of it. Absolutely 100%, regardless of what they can or can't prove.

The real question is, if one considers that a crime, then who are you working for, that you would see that as a bad thing?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 12:00 PM (hku12)

401 389
Zimbabwe's Health Minister Says Chinese-Made Condoms Are Too "Small"

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LOL. Too good to check -- even if from today's paper of record, The Babylon Bee.

Posted by: ShainS at November 24, 2019 12:00 PM (EbJSg)

402 Trump just flip flopped on SEAL Gallagher
Trump has no balz

Posted by: Kurt at November 24, 2019 12:01 PM (XVon9)

403 When RBG croaks, narrative chorus will be:

1. Trump has been delegitimized by impeachment, can't make nomination, 2. no nominations in an election year.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 24, 2019 12:01 PM (H8QX8)

404 No trollz in the book thread, please. This is an oasis.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2019 12:03 PM (gd9RK)

405
can't make nomination, 2. no nominations in an election year.

==


that's fine. he will run on it (an the economy and ..other things) and win. again. it's for the best.

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 12:03 PM (zr5Kq)

406 Kurt, please massage my lumpy ass. *hic*

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!! at November 24, 2019 12:03 PM (EgshT)

407 who iz trolling ?

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 12:03 PM (zr5Kq)

408 @397
I haven't had any problems, but I've yet to need coverage for a major incident.
For purposes of routine annual tests and ordinary doctor visits, (which is what I've had so far) it's great. Saves me tons of money.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2019 12:03 PM (AwPyG)

409 Trump has no balz

Posted by: Kurt at November 24, 2019 12:01 PM (XVon9)

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Yeah, good idea, go with that one!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 24, 2019 12:04 PM (NVYyb)

410
In Witch Hunt, Gregg Jarrett uncovers the bureaucratic
malfeasance and malicious politicization of our country's justice
system. The law was weaponized for partisan purposes.





He ought to give a copy to his colleagues Betty Baier and Christine Wallace

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2019 12:04 PM (5XomX)

411 runner
Kurt the troll is here. I guess he finished shaving his mom's back already.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 24, 2019 12:05 PM (Tt761)

412 Kurt, Komm her.

Posted by: runner at November 24, 2019 12:05 PM (zr5Kq)

413 403
When RBG croaks, narrative chorus will be:



1. Trump has been delegitimized by impeachment, can't make nomination, 2. no nominations in an election year.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 24, 2019 12:01 PM (H8QX

_______


You can take it to the bank.

Posted by: ShainS at November 24, 2019 12:05 PM (KMMOH)

414 Just bought a copy of the Pilecki book. Perfect reading for my travel week ahead! Thanks OM.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 24, 2019 12:06 PM (NVYyb)

415 The entire origin of employer provided health care was in wage and price controls during WWII. Limits were placed on what you could pay an employee, and the employers added company health care clinics in order to attract employees. A benefit, if you will.
Thank you, Henry Kaiser.
Posted by: attila the thrilla at November 24, 2019 11:48 AM (w7KSn)

Don't forget withholding, which helped finance the war.

The war ended in 1945. Withholding still soldiers on......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 24, 2019 12:07 PM (Z+IKu)

416 @397 And i forgot to say that CHM qualifies as an "insurer" for Obamacare purposes. My prescription costs for usual meds was less than under my old Blue Cross.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2019 12:08 PM (AwPyG)

417 Good morning all.
Well. My Cougs had a cardiac level game with the Beavers but pulled it out in the last second.
Whew!
Meanwhile I'm still scratching my head over those pants.
Hmmmmm

Posted by: Diogenes at November 24, 2019 12:08 PM (axyOa)

418 We already have "national health care", since no one really gets rejected. The problem is the lower middle working class gets burned the most, as private coverage costs them the most (as percent of their income).


If the blue collar drops his private care due to cost, he can lose all his savings to a single big event ... AND that event might cost him triple what the insurers would have to pay, as they have lawyers and group power to manage the prices down from the cash cost.

We already became largely became socialist in caring for the poor, but there has to be a system that makes life better for the blue collar average Joe than for the lifetime welfare class. Obamacare maybe addressed a little of that, by subsidizing the private plans of workers with lower income, but even that was sketchy, and required signing up for "government aid".


Clamping down on fraud and large trial lawyer bonanzas would help, and "some skin in the game" for everyone makes a difference, but funding the welfare side by overcharging the working class is the current path to "Government Care" ... and that was the plan of Obamacare from the start ... destroy private care, then we'd be forced to beg for "Government is Your Mommy".

Posted by: illiniwek at November 24, 2019 12:08 PM (Cus5s)

419

Oh look it's Kurt our local Krugman. Hey Kurt, how bad is the stock market doing these days? Can't hear you. All time record highs. Don't worry any day or maybe century you and your boy Krugman will get it right

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2019 12:09 PM (5XomX)

420 Those Chinese condoms are too big for Krut.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 24, 2019 12:09 PM (+y/Ru)

421 @413
The wonderful thing is that we can bank on the "narrative chorus" having absolutely no influence on Trump.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2019 12:09 PM (AwPyG)

422 And Jug Ears with mom jeans was a he man

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 12:09 PM (ZCEU2)

423 Actually came back to comment on the library photo, as soon as I blew it up even on my tablet could tell it was a artist drawing. I see them all the time at work.

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 12:11 PM (ZCEU2)

424 And Jug Ears with mom jeans was a he man

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 12:09 PM (ZCEU2)


Of course he was. Just look at his athletic skills: shooting free throws, throwing a baseball, lifting 2 lb weights.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2019 12:12 PM (5XomX)

425 and pay for expenses by asking for the cash price from providers. You will be very surprised when you hear what the cash prices are.

--

I've posted on it before, but there is a major hospital in NC who plainly states on the bills they send out that they give a 60% discount on the amount for cash payers.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Chick-fil-A is hoping the left eats them last at November 24, 2019 12:12 PM (Hl0hh)

426 Could throw a baseball, shoot a basketball or 12ga right.

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 12:14 PM (ZCEU2)

427 and pay for expenses by asking for the cash price from providers. You will be very surprised when you hear what the cash prices are.

--

I've posted on it before, but there is a major hospital in NC who plainly states on the bills they send out that they give a 60% discount on the amount for cash payers.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Chick-fil-A is hoping the left eats them last at November 24, 2019 12:12 PM (Hl0hh)


Let the legal beagles weigh in here, but I'm pretty sure in some states it's illegal for healthcare providers to charge different rates for cash pay customers.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 12:14 PM (hku12)

428 "Let the legal beagles weigh in here, but I'm pretty sure in some states it's illegal for healthcare providers to charge different rates for cash pay customers."

That itself should be illegal.
Insurance is overhead, if you are a hospital or a clinic.
It costs money to process insurance. They typically have entire departments for this.
If you want to bypass all that, you, the customer, should benefit.

Posted by: attila the thrilla at November 24, 2019 12:16 PM (w7KSn)

429 The entire origin of employer provided health care was in wage and price controls during WWII. Limits were placed on what you could pay an employee, and the employers added company health care clinics in order to attract employees. A benefit, if you will.

--

Then a little while later add women to the workforce en masse, let the economy (ahem) equalize so that two salaries now purchases what the man's used to pay for prior to their equality, and then a few years down the road add in $1000+ month in insurance premiums and childcare. Yay!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Chick-fil-A is hoping the left eats them last at November 24, 2019 12:16 PM (Hl0hh)

430 Let the legal beagles weigh in here, but I'm pretty sure in some states it's illegal for healthcare providers to charge different rates for cash pay customers.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 12:14 PM (hku12)

--

At a different location I asked to pay for an upcoming procedure in cash and the lady said I couldn't because it would be insurance fraud. I stared at her for a moment and then said thanks and found another doctors office.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Chick-fil-A is hoping the left eats them last at November 24, 2019 12:18 PM (Hl0hh)

431 I've noticed that in the most recent photos Barron Trump has grown to be a very tall 13 year-old. He appears to be the same height as his father.

Posted by: Anonymous 7 at November 24, 2019 12:18 PM (HcHqw)

432 And it might be illegal now. The last time I went to that hospital's franchise was prior to Obamacare's money-saving wonderfulness.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Chick-fil-A is hoping the left eats them last at November 24, 2019 12:19 PM (Hl0hh)

433 "Let the legal beagles weigh in here, but I'm pretty sure in some states it's illegal for healthcare providers to charge different rates for cash pay customers."
------------------
That itself should be illegal.
Insurance is overhead, if you are a hospital or a clinic.
It costs money to process insurance. They typically have entire departments for this.
If you want to bypass all that, you, the customer, should benefit.
Posted by: attila the thrilla at November 24, 2019 12:16 PM (w7KSn)


Absolutely.

Similar argument to the online taxes thing. I pay Amazon to deliver stuff to my house. What the hell does the state have to do with that transaction? They're providing NOTHING to assist in the upkeep and maintenance of the place from which my goods are coming.

And of course, Amazon, being the dickless corporate commies they are, said "sure, here you go. Taxes."

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 12:19 PM (hku12)

434 ACE NOOD

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 12:19 PM (ZCEU2)

435 Re: cash payments
Remember that the provider is a business. They all offer huge incentives not to have to wait 60-90 days for their personnel to process insurance payments.

Posted by: artemis at November 24, 2019 12:19 PM (AwPyG)

436 Literally

Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 12:19 PM (ZCEU2)

437
The problem with books on the Spygate State Hate Slate of the Dem Ingrates is that there are still many shoes to drop for the whole story is not revealed yet.

I think the "insurance policy" was needed because of the decades of dem corruption monetizing their elected positions with kickbacks from foreign aid, not just the millions Biden, Kerry and others got from Ukraine, was about to be revealed. I think in the end we will even find people like Brennan, Comey, Schiff and even Strozk were extorting and laundering money.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 24, 2019 12:20 PM (r+sAi)

438 Carrot leg soup may be a proper way kick off the holiday season. Staying on topic of course, holiday cookbooks are being dusted off as we communicate.

Posted by: Fritz at November 24, 2019 12:21 PM (wo3c/)

439 366 Kindltot

I was not & am not in the market for a history "written from a nationalist perspective." In fact... F that!

I want an objective recitation of the facts, & then I'LL "supply the perspective" myself. That's what Payne's book provides: facts. Joe Friday would love the book.

Posted by: mnw at November 24, 2019 12:22 PM (Cssks)

440 ACE NOOD
Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 12:19 PM (ZCEU2)


Not ace.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2019 12:22 PM (hku12)

441 "DUMP" those "MIDDENS".........................och aye tha noo,

Rabbie Burns a Dustman
He widnae tak Mittens bin
Latter day saints
put oot on Fi'day
Fu O' condoms wi' ribs. damn that Nyquil is SWEET.

Posted by: saf at November 24, 2019 12:28 PM (5IHGB)

442 Started to read through the list of the list of Anthony Award for Best Novel which was enlightening on the mystery side of things. Does not seem that the mystery bunch has been too overrun like the Hugo bunch in scifi. I found that I had already read quite a few of them (Michael Connelly has won lots of them). Picked up The Killing Kind by Chris Holm which I had not read and won a few years back about a hitman entrepreneur of sorts. If he finds out there is a hitman after you, then you can pay him more and he will kill the hitman after you. Interesting premise and I can see why it won the award- tight plot and excellent characters. Makes me want to read more by this author- there is a sequel to the book out as well. Laura Lippman has won quite a few awards in the last few years as well- I had read one of hers a few years ago and thought it was OK, but may try one of the award winners next.

Posted by: Charlotte at November 24, 2019 12:31 PM (IjlDv)

443 434 ACE NOOD

==

more like Ace in a Tasteful Off-Shoulder Dress

Posted by: vmom happy to have college kid home at November 24, 2019 12:31 PM (G546f)

444 I'm waiting for Amazon to deliver today a book about artisanal cheesemaking.

Swallwell wrote a book on cheese cutting.

Posted by: JT at November 24, 2019 12:32 PM (arJlL)

445 I know its been guessed at top of the thread but I know who the woman is and just can't remember.
Posted by: Skip

Mebbe ya knew her in one of her previous lives.

Posted by: JT at November 24, 2019 12:39 PM (arJlL)

446 Who first said hey I'll try not quite boiling milk and adding vinegar to it and maybe I'll get curds?

Shirley McClain.

Posted by: JT at November 24, 2019 12:41 PM (arJlL)

447 OMG! Commies worse than Nazis? Sure, if Alzheimers is worse than Cancer. Kind of depends on which one strikes.

Posted by: Thomas LaBelle at November 24, 2019 12:44 PM (XHdLb)

448 RBG with chills and fever sounds like this years flu. Wonder if she got her flu shot.

Posted by: Big V at November 24, 2019 12:46 PM (B06Zw)

449 Book of Swindles caught my attention, so I just one clicked it.

Read an interesting 1888 "time travel" novel recently. in Looking Backward, time travel is mainly just an mechanism to promote extreme socialism though there are a few forward looking technological aspects. As the description reads:

On the surface, the novel is the story of time-traveler Julian West, a young Bostonian who is put into a hypnotic sleep in the late 19th century, and awakens in the year 2000 in a socialist utopia. In conversations with the doctor who awakened him, he discovers a brilliantly realized vision of an ideal future, one that seemed unthinkable in his own century. Crime, war, personal animosity, and want are nonexistent. Equality of the sexes is a fact of life. In short, a messianic state of brotherly love is in effect.

Posted by: Keith at November 24, 2019 12:54 PM (jdGlx)

450 "I pay Amazon to deliver stuff to my house. What the hell does the state
have to do with that transaction? They're providing NOTHING to assist
in the upkeep and maintenance of the place from which my goods are
coming."

There are the roads and UPS and soon, if not now, warehouses in almost all states. Cops patrol the roads, all those "you didn't build that" claims kinda apply, except, we did build that .. via sales taxes, and property taxes, etc. The sales tax from stores is directly paid by the consumer, so bypassing the store ... the sales tax is still paid by the (same) consumer. The state doesn't have much to do with the brick and mortar business either ...


but yeah, taxes only go up, gov workers can't be fired, retire early, etc. They will always raise taxes from the middle class worker.



Posted by: illiniwek at November 24, 2019 12:57 PM (Cus5s)

451 No trollz in the book thread, please. This is an oasis.
Posted by: Bandersnatch

AMEN, brutha !

Posted by: JT at November 24, 2019 12:58 PM (arJlL)

452 Been on my wish list for a while but took a leap of faith. Just picked up the Expanse series from James SA Corey on Kindle all 8 books are on sale from the regular price

Posted by: Ken at November 24, 2019 01:01 PM (G6QBb)

453 If you're interested in tales of crime in old China, you might enjoy The Celebrated Cases of Judge Dee. As the district magistrate, Judge Dee (a real person from the 7th century, fictionalized in this 18th century work) was not only a judge but also the detective who investigated the crime and interrogated the suspects.

Posted by: J at November 24, 2019 01:22 PM (vQ4e7)

454 Anyone here ever read the Epic Poem of Gilgamesh?
It has accounts of a great flood, a tower of Babel story, large men (Nephelim) and other stories from Genesis.


It's a Hammurabi-era Babylonian arrangement of a whole cycle of Bilgamesh (sic) stories from Sumer, IIRC. Also a Flood story unrelated to them at the time. The base stories survived outside the "Gilgamesh" epic and the Bible took from those stories, not from the full "Gilgamesh" itself.

Also there seems to have been Urartu / Ararat influence on the Bible's take, maybe by way of Assyria.

Anyway Dr Irving Finkel had a book on all that in 2013, which was discussed in the Book Thread a few times, but I don't know how well it holds in 2019.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 24, 2019 03:12 PM (wMia4)

455 Dead Sea Scrolls - Lorenzo diTommaso has a book on the New Jerusalem texts. There was apparently a full book in Cave 11 at Qumran, but the first "researchers" treated it like garbage so now it is in fragments. Yet another foul up by those idiots.

What survives is in Aramaic. It seems NOT to be associated with the Enoch / Jubilees / Aramaic-Levi / Qahat / Tobit cluster of cousin-bumping sectarians, whom the rabbis quite rightly tossed from Judaism as heretics. Beyond that I haven't read.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 24, 2019 03:23 PM (wMia4)

456 Peter Heather still holds up. Although I think Flavius Aetius was like Charles Martel, a warlord holding up a dead system. Even if he'd lived there was no saving the Western Empire as a unified concern.

The heavy plough and the Franks were coming. Northern France was too powerful and too jealous to allow southern France and Italy to rival it. And not powerful enough for the likes of Charlemagne and Napoleon to KEEP Italy...

Heather has a followup, "Empires and Barbarians", which discusses how Western Europe worked around not being able to keep an empire alive.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at November 24, 2019 03:37 PM (wMia4)

457 427 and pay for expenses by asking for the cash price from providers. You will be very surprised when you hear what the cash prices are.

Providers of WHAT? (I hate that word - I mean, concept and idea provider. IT WILL destroy the English grammar and vocabulary provider.)

Let the legal beagles weigh in here, but I'm pretty sure in some states it's illegal for healthcare providers (I have absolutely no idea what that is) to charge different rates for cash pay customers.

Posted by: Comment Provider at November 24, 2019 05:08 PM (9rgZP)

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