Report: Disgraced #MeToo Figure Mark Halperin Threatened Former Boss Phil Griffin When Griffin Refused to Give Him Permission to Return to the Network on Morning Joe

So Morning Joe & Mika wanted to let this guy back on?

Halperin called Griffiths to get him to bless his return to punditry.

Multiple sources tell The Daily Beast that the conversation earlier this year became acrimonious, with Halperin dishing up vague threats against his former boss.
MSNBC declined to comment on the episode. But MSNBC insiders said Griffin was furious about the conversation and wouldn’t likely take Halperin's calls in the future.
The hostile exchange was a sign of Halperin's frustration that his dream of returning to the punditry business--almost two years after numerous women came forward with stories of sexual misconduct--has been thwarted at each turn.
The former MSNBC contributor has been attempting to rehab a career that imploded when former colleagues and subordinates accused him of groping and unwanted sexual advances during his tenure as an ABC News political reporter.
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And then when Halperin's pals Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski sought to collaborate with him on an online-only MSNBC broadcast analyzing the 2018 midterm elections, network brass shut down the entire plan. The failed scheme caused consternation within the building--"Everybody was going 'WTF!,'" one MSNBC insider told The Daily Beast--and ultimately led to Halperin's hostile call with Griffin.

Part of the reason for the resistance is that a CNN executive tweeted "You've got to be kidding me!" when MSNBC host Michael Smerconish had Halperin on his podcast.

So CNN is actively participating in the deplatforming -- go figure.

We'll keep in mind what I'll call "CNN's Rules" when one of theirs gets accused of sexual misconduct.

Oh wait, Don LeMon is being accused of sexual assault at this very moment, and has a witness backing the charges up, and CNN is sticking behind him.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 12:09 PM

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1 Good morning!

Posted by: blake - used pronoun salesman
at September 09, 2019 12:10 PM (qC1Sy)

2 Read the content even.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at September 09, 2019 12:12 PM (xdTAL)

3 Probably not the 1st time CNN has stuck behind Don Lemon.

Posted by: Tentotwo at September 09, 2019 12:13 PM (yhf6w)

4 Not surprised that Morning Joe is ok w harassment, considering his personal history w a certain Congressional female staffer.

Posted by: Ever at September 09, 2019 12:13 PM (ZZDMQ)

5 Hmm, so some animals are more equal than others?

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at September 09, 2019 12:13 PM (RD7QR)

6 Lots of behind sticking going on over there.

Posted by: Roy at September 09, 2019 12:14 PM (0yxK0)

7 Lemon needs to stay out of bars - he's either quaffing too many shots on while on national tv or assaulting people - what loon.

Posted by: Boswell at September 09, 2019 12:14 PM (32YRo)

8 Is this person even remotely relevant?

Posted by: Miklos, unsure at September 09, 2019 12:14 PM (QzkSJ)

9 The dirty Lemon is disgusting.

Posted by: The dirty Sanchez at September 09, 2019 12:14 PM (EXUbB)

10 I'm just going to continue this from the last thread. My understanding is Brexit is still on ....

Don't know if it's been mentioned but Queen Liz has approved the delaying tactic so that Boris has to get a deal for Brexit to take place.

So the Brits are screwed and Democracy has died there.

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I've read that that approval is actually meaningless.

But I have never been able to figure out how England, GB, UK (whatever it is) works politically.

Like Frank Drebban, I find the idea of a Queen silly.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 12:14 PM (sX1BW)

11 CNN at war with MSNBC?

Cue Henry Kissinger audio clip "Can't they both lose?"

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at September 09, 2019 12:14 PM (7s3Gx)

12 top 20-ish

Posted by: FrodoB at September 09, 2019 12:15 PM (i5RAz)

13 Don is the ghey and black so it's all cool, yo!
That dude that got the stink finger from Lemon is the problem here.

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at September 09, 2019 12:15 PM (DB16e)

14 ".....CNN is sticking behind him."

No pun intended...or was there?

Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 12:16 PM (cF8AT)

15 Ace, It's dangerous to target the msm like this.

They do that stuff in China and Russia.

Posted by: HA at September 09, 2019 12:16 PM (MAstk)

16 not sure the taint will ever leave CNN.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 09, 2019 12:16 PM (mmAcL)

17 Anything you read in Daily Beast should be taken with a grain of salt.

Posted by: Mark1971 at September 09, 2019 12:16 PM (xPl2J)

18 Yo. I don't care about any of them.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 09, 2019 12:16 PM (so+oy)

19 Ace, It's dangerous to target the msm like this.

They do that stuff in China and Russia.
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*Ahem*
Allow me, this comment will have more impact from me.

Posted by: David Fwench at September 09, 2019 12:17 PM (EXUbB)

20 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 09, 2019 12:17 PM (iikV8)

21 Halperin offered nearly no insight during the initial run of "The Circus" on Showtime. I actually enjoyed the first season, during the 2016 primaries and election, because all of those wizards of smart were so horrifically wrong the entire time. Their only explanation was that "the voters iz dumb."

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at September 09, 2019 12:17 PM (wGbBR)

22 My guess is that the threat was along the lines of "are you sh***ing me?? You're firing me because I got handsy with a girl in 1994? You put me back on the show or I'll tell everyone about those dozens of 13 year olds you raped!"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:17 PM (KZzsI)

23 sooo Jacksonville Jaguars lost Nick Foles their Starting QB to a broken Clavicle & needed a Backup QB & Traded for Steelers 3rd QB Josh Dobbs & the SJW's on Twatter are saying over KaeperDICK ? HAHA

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 09, 2019 12:17 PM (BqBId)

24 "Part of the reason for the resistance is that a CNN executive tweeted
"You've got to be kidding me!" when MSNBC host Michael Smerconish had
Halperin on his podcast."

I'm almost certain that Smerconish is on CNN.

Posted by: Mark1971 at September 09, 2019 12:18 PM (xPl2J)

25 Don is the ghey and black so it's all cool, yo!
That dude that got the stink finger from Lemon is the problem here.
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at September 09, 2019 12:15 PM

Clearly he's a hatey McHaterson who's so aggressively hetero and unwoke that he rejects come ons from teh they. How rude.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 09, 2019 12:18 PM (dkvcO)

26 Is this person even remotely relevant?
Posted by: Miklos, unsure

Halperin is totally irrelevant. What's relevant is the progtards discombobulated application of their rules and the rationalization of such.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...100% recycled materials at September 09, 2019 12:18 PM (GF84D)

27 What was Halperin's Unpersoning Offense? I forget.

It seemed kind of minor, but timing is everything in the #metoo era.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 09, 2019 12:19 PM (wzVKm)

28 Is this person even remotely relevant?
Posted by: Miklos, unsure

Halperin is totally irrelevant. What's relevant is the progtards discombobulated application of their rules and the rationalization of such.
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People!??! His behavior is disgusting and reflects poorly on his employer. He should be banned!

Posted by: Kurt Eichenwald at September 09, 2019 12:20 PM (EXUbB)

29 So Halperin is a jerk to men, too.
Go figure!

Of course he's pals with Joe and Mika. Of course he is.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 09, 2019 12:20 PM (bDqIh)

30 I just want the Leftist MSM and the rest of Lefties to turn on each other a la the Spanish Civil War.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 09, 2019 12:20 PM (YB89a)

31 Do not take Halperin if you allergic to Halperin or any of its ingredients.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, With a Broken Brain at September 09, 2019 12:20 PM (xPJvm)

32 27 What was Halperin's Unpersoning Offense? I forget.

It seemed kind of minor, but timing is everything in the #metoo era.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 09, 2019 12:19 PM (wzVKm)

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And Joe still has a job after killing a hooker...

Weird...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 09, 2019 12:20 PM (iikV8)

33 ".....CNN is sticking behind him."

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No pun intended...or was there?
Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 12:16 PM (cF8AT)

I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

Anyone who gets close enough, sticks.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:21 PM (cY3LT)

34
Josh Smith @joshjonsmith
1h
BREAKING: Vice foreign minister says North Korea is willing to hold talks with the US in late September: KCNA

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 09, 2019 12:21 PM (BqBId)

35 And Joe still has a job after killing a hooker...

Weird...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

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Yeah, but what was she wearing?

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at September 09, 2019 12:21 PM (DB16e)

36 Do not take Halperin if you allergic to Halperin or any of its ingredients.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, With a Broken Brain at September 09, 2019 12:20 PM

Iced tea. All over the monitor.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 09, 2019 12:21 PM (dkvcO)

37 Do not take Halperin if you allergic to Halperin or any of its ingredients.
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I tried it on my cold sore but it didn't work for me.

Posted by: Kurt Eichenwald at September 09, 2019 12:21 PM (EXUbB)

38 O/T. Nutless nadler has scheduled a vote to formalize impeachment hearing procedures for this Thursday.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 09, 2019 12:21 PM (JUOKG)

39 sooo Jacksonville Jaguars lost Nick Foles their Starting QB to a broken Clavicle & needed a Backup QB & Traded for Steelers 3rd QB Josh Dobbs & the SJW's on Twatter are saying over KaeperDICK ? HAHA
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit

Not to worry, I've got this.

Posted by: Gardner the stache Minshew at September 09, 2019 12:22 PM (GF84D)

40 Halperin's history:

Multiple women told CNN that the political journalist had pressed his erection against them without their consent. Others said that he had masturbated in front of them; another told the news channel that he "violently" threw her against a window in order to kiss her, and later threatened her journalism career.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:22 PM (KZzsI)

41 34
Josh Smith @joshjonsmith
1h
BREAKING: Vice foreign minister says North Korea is willing to hold talks with the US in late September: KCNA
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 09, 2019 12:21 PM (BqBId)

==========

"But first, you will give me nuclear weapons!"
-Kim

"More sanctions!"
-Trump

"I thought it would work different this time! Remember our photo op?"
-Kim

"Yeah, great guy this Kim. Now, more sanctions!"
-Trump

"He's saying nice things about Kim! Impeach!"
-David French

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 09, 2019 12:22 PM (iikV8)

42 CNN is sticking behind him.
CNN never leaves their buddy's behind!

Posted by: andycanuck at September 09, 2019 12:23 PM (Dh1wo)

43 Halperin was the guy who was jacking off under his desk while a woman sat across from him.

Posted by: Mark1971 at September 09, 2019 12:23 PM (xPl2J)

44 Halperin's history:

Multiple women told CNN that the political journalist had pressed his erection against them without their consent. Others said that he had masturbated in front of them; another told the news channel that he "violently" threw her against a window in order to kiss her, and later threatened her journalism career.
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Disgusting.

Not so much as a tentacle.

Posted by: Kurt Eichenwald at September 09, 2019 12:23 PM (y4WjF)

45 CNN is sticking behind him.
CNN never leaves their buddy's behind!

CNN is taking a firm position in hand, and are determined to remain rigid in their support behind Lemon

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:24 PM (KZzsI)

46 "And then when Halperin's pals Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski sought to collaborate with him on an online-only MSNBC broadcast analyzing the 2018 midterm elections, network brass shut down the entire plan."

Well aren't they sneaky bastards.

Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 12:24 PM (cF8AT)

47 Joe didn't kill a Hooker. he went American Psycho on his staffer.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 09, 2019 12:24 PM (mmAcL)

48 Matt Lauer's Rape Button could not be reached for comment.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 12:24 PM (ViZFb)

49 BREAKING: Vice foreign minister says North Korea is willing to hold talks with the US in late September: KCNA
....

Zzzzzzzz

Posted by: Nobel Peace Prize Committee at September 09, 2019 12:24 PM (MAstk)

50 Nutless nadler has scheduled a vote to formalize impeachment hearing procedures for this Thursday.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 09, 2019 12:21 PM

Come on...at least allow him a little mental masturbation. It's the only kind he's capable of now.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 09, 2019 12:24 PM (dkvcO)

51 Halperin's history:

Oh. That does seem quite bad when you put it that way.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 09, 2019 12:24 PM (wzVKm)

52 >>Halperin was the guy who was jacking off under his desk while a woman sat across from him.

Was that wrong?

Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2019 12:25 PM (ZLI7S)

53
CNN never leaves their buddy's behind!

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Well their anchors are Don Lemon, Anderson Cooper, and Brian Stetler

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 12:25 PM (sX1BW)

54 51 Halperin's history:

Oh. That does seem quite bad when you put it that way.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 09, 2019 12:24 PM (wzVKm)

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Yeah, alliteration is just the worst.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 09, 2019 12:25 PM (iikV8)

55 Halperin was the guy who was jacking off under his desk while a woman sat across from him.
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What's the over/under on CNN reporters doing that?

Posted by: Don Lemon wants to know at September 09, 2019 12:25 PM (y4WjF)

56 Brian Stetler's the gimp.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 09, 2019 12:25 PM (mmAcL)

57 Is this person even remotely relevant?
Posted by: Miklos, unsure

Halperin is totally irrelevant. What's relevant is the progtards discombobulated application of their rules and the rationalization of such.
Posted by: Sock Monkey...100% recycled materials at September 09, 2019 12:18 PM (GF84D)

That's the part that just makes me go "huh." I mean, I realize these people live in a bubble, and they all know who each other are, but there's a cash flow that occurs that I am totally oblivious to, and yet when one of them gets sent to the wilderness, it has me wondering what they do then.

You don't have any actual job skills, so what do you do? What kind of degree do you have to fall back on? Who would hire you, after even the most cursory background check on you?

How do you eat? How do you pay your rent?

The world contains so many superfluous people, whose careers mean nothing to almost anybody, and most of us can't explain how or why anyone pays them to do anything.

And yet, there they are.

That's the part I find fascinating.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:25 PM (cY3LT)

58 I relish dick, and sometimes mayonnaise at the end.

Posted by: Don lemonparty at September 09, 2019 12:25 PM (uErzf)

59 Halperin was the guy who was jacking off under his desk while a woman sat across from him.

Part of his performance review?

Posted by: Miklos, not from HR at September 09, 2019 12:27 PM (QzkSJ)

60 [beep]
[beep]

Posted by: Matt Lauer's Rape Button at September 09, 2019 12:27 PM (Dh1wo)

61 The socialists have so many rules that we have to excuse them from enforcing them on their comrades. Nothing new.

Posted by: klaftern at September 09, 2019 12:28 PM (RuIsu)

62 It's campaign season, should not a true pro like Halperi n be working for a campaign?

Posted by: Jean at September 09, 2019 12:28 PM (B7KlG)

63 so a dude that doesn't understand that no means no, also doesn't understand that fired means fired. sounds like he's just a dumbass.

Posted by: x at September 09, 2019 12:28 PM (nFwvY)

64 I'm all for forgiveness, in fact I think that's something the GOP should emphasize and note as a virtue. But there has to be some indication that this has ended and ideally some semblance of regret or apology at least (this is where I wish Trump would unbend a little "I'm sorry for what I did to my family and wives in the past by cheating on them perpeutally").

Has Halperin changed? Maybe. But he's less an outlier than a typical symptom. Trump wasn't kidding when he said they'd let you pick them up like a bowling ball. Or something like that, I wasn't really paying attention.

After a while I think men in that sort of position begin to just presume upon the women they deal with.

And I think some of the women change their minds later and decide they thought it was disgusting.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:29 PM (KZzsI)

65 The world contains so many superfluous people, whose careers mean nothing to almost anybody, and most of us can't explain how or why anyone pays them to do anything.

And yet, there they are.

That's the part I find fascinating.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:25 PM (cY3LT)

They find patrons who find them useful for advancing their causes. They may not actually be useful, only the patron needs to be convinced. Especially among those who inherited wealth, some people have far more money than sense.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at September 09, 2019 12:29 PM (J+mig)

66 >> Halperin's history . . .

He's also one of those connected 2nd generation Commies, born and lives in NYC, went to Harvard, etc.. His father is a foreign policy and civil rights advisor, currently a senior advisor at Soros' Open Society Foundation.

Co-authored "Game Change" the book about the 2008 election that became a Palin-slamming HBO movie. He's your typical NYC-DC media "elite," which is why it was no surprise that Mika, who is one, too, was so quick to brush off his sexual harassment. He's one of the club, so it's all good, you guys.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 09, 2019 12:29 PM (bDqIh)

67 The world contains so many superfluous people, whose careers mean nothing to almost anybody, and most of us can't explain how or why anyone pays them to do anything.

And yet, there they are.

That's the part I find fascinating.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:25 PM (cY3LT)

Sinecures. The elite solution to mediocre offspring.

Posted by: Someguy at September 09, 2019 12:29 PM (y178e)

68 >>Halperin was the guy who was jacking off under his desk while a woman sat across from him.

'Under the desk wank
Out of the Sun
Under the desk Wank
He was having some fun
Under the desk wank
People talking above
Under the desk wank
He was pursuing self-love'

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 12:29 PM (ViZFb)

69 Joe didn't kill a Hooker. he went American Psycho on his staffer.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 09, 2019 12:24 PM (mmAcL)

So what's the two to three sentence summary on that? I know nothing, other than people here saying he killed an intern.

How likely is it true? I mean, somebody really died... right? What did he do, exactly?

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:30 PM (cY3LT)

70 Halperin was the guy who was jacking off under his desk while a woman sat across from him.

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Seriously, he is basically a sex offender. If CNN doesn't hire him back he'll be sitting in the park all day with his hands in his pockets.

Posted by: and the pockets will have holes cut in them at September 09, 2019 12:30 PM (HkQpu)

71 Seems odd they just can't find another dude who's not a serial molester to regurgitate center-left conventional wisdom for them.

It's not like there's a shortage of those type pundits. But I guess the political class doesn't like to lose ANY battles.

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at September 09, 2019 12:31 PM (hdzef)

72 Like Frank Drebban, I find the idea of a Queen silly.

My understanding is that the Queen is the only thing stopping the Deep State from completely running everything there and just ignoring whoever the Prime Minister is. But I also don't entirely get how things work there.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 09, 2019 12:31 PM (ZGrMX)

73 What actual value are these news clowns, anyway? One blathering idiot can replace another and no one will notice.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 09, 2019 12:31 PM (oVJmc)

74 it's very complex. or maybe i'm just feeling old and confused. at this point in time. particularly.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 09, 2019 12:31 PM (Pg+x7)

75 And yet, there they are.

That's the part I find fascinating.
Posted by: BurtTC

They are not us. To be one of us would be icky and the very thought of having to live a productive mundane life where accountability is a factor would be a good reason to take a flying leap from the 45th floor.

Posted by: Gardner the stache Minshew at September 09, 2019 12:31 PM (GF84D)

76

He can learn to code.

Posted by: E buzz the Reverend at September 09, 2019 12:31 PM (z8c2c)

77 seems to me, Halpren is ripe to be picked by some conservative publisher for a tell all on the lefties.

why not ?

Posted by: REDACTED at September 09, 2019 12:31 PM (AQBtr)

78 Halperin is a known Button Man for the Clintons. He either fell out of favor with Hillary or the Clintons don't have the muscle any more.

Posted by: kbdabear at September 09, 2019 12:32 PM (qAR6u)

79 It's not like there's a shortage of those type pundits. But I guess the political class doesn't like to lose ANY battles.

I think its more that they're all scumbags and sexual freaks, so you pick the ones you know.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:32 PM (KZzsI)

80
So what's the two to three sentence summary on that? I know nothing, other than people here saying he killed an intern.
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She was found dead in his office over like memorial day weekend or something. He was supposedly out of town. (no body checked to ping his cell phone - local cops let him off) The girl had sustained multiple fractures to her skull. Supposedly the coroner opined she got dizzy and hit her head on the edge of Joe's desk or something like that. So . . .

Posted by: Quincy wasn't available at September 09, 2019 12:32 PM (HkQpu)

81
67 The world contains so many superfluous people, whose careers mean nothing to almost anybody, and most of us can't explain how or why anyone pays them to do anything.

And yet, there they are.

That's the part I find fascinating.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:25 PM (cY3LT)

Sinecures. The elite solution to mediocre offspring.

Posted by: Someguy at September 09, 2019 12:29 PM (y178e)

Think Tanks and Institutes hire them to write articles and books. It is part of the cozy world of media, think tanks, academia, and deputy-assistant-secretary that these people roll through during their careers. Some even take time off to go to a hedge fund and "make" a small fortune to keep them.

It's like being a courtesan, but less honest.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Support Your Sagging Self-Worth with Poses & Postures from The Outrage Outlet! at September 09, 2019 12:32 PM (hLRSq)

82 well he along with heileman, repeated debunked innuendo from Schmidt and Wallace, (tim alberta regurgitated it for American carnage) he painted everyone in the 2008 campaign as flawed, except for sainted Obama, his flaw was he had no flaw,

Posted by: admiral marcus at September 09, 2019 12:33 PM (x+C/t)

83 or the Clintons don't have the muscle any more.

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Epstein thought like Moe Green too.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 12:33 PM (sX1BW)

84 The world contains so many superfluous people, whose careers mean nothing to almost anybody, and most of us can't explain how or why anyone pays them to do anything.

And yet, there they are.

That's the part I find fascinating.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:25 PM (cY3LT)

They find patrons who find them useful for advancing their causes. They may not actually be useful, only the patron needs to be convinced. Especially among those who inherited wealth, some people have far more money than sense.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at September 09, 2019 12:29 PM (J+mig)

But then what do you do afterwards, if you're this guy?

What does Anthony Weener do now? Surely he has no patrons anymore... right?

How far does one have to fall before the money dries up? Does Matt Lauer still have an income? What about Al Freankin? Who still gives money to Bryan Singer?

I just don't get it. Really, I don't.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:33 PM (cY3LT)

85 'I prefer to think of it as my 'black hole' rather than my 'behind.'"" -- #DrunkDonLeMon

Posted by: ShainS -- Cancel #ErasureCulture at September 09, 2019 12:33 PM (wCKFe)

86 I don't want to shock you but CNN has been lying again.

Bryan Dean Wright@BryanDeanWright
From the office run by CIA Director Gina Haspel - a lifelong Agency officer:

"Misguided speculation that the President's handling of our nation's most sensitive intelligence...drove an alleged exfiltration operation is inaccurate."

Believe Gina, not the Russia Hysteria Network.

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BONUS: Andrea Mitchell doesn't get the answer she expected:

Former Sec Of Defense James Mattis Leaves Andrea Mitchell Speechless: NATO Is Stronger Under Trump

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 09, 2019 12:33 PM (+y/Ru)

87 'Strokin' in the Board Room' - Mark Halperin and the Rosy Palm Singers (2009)

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 12:34 PM (ViZFb)

88 Some even take time off to go to a hedge fund and "make" a small fortune to keep them.

It's like being a courtesan, but less honest.
Posted by: Mikey NTH -Support Your Sagging Self-Worth with Poses & Postures from The Outrage Outlet! at September 09, 2019 12:32 PM (hLRSq)

Being the guy who knows other people with money is a time-honored role in finance.

Posted by: Someguy at September 09, 2019 12:34 PM (y178e)

89 seems to me, Halpren is ripe to be picked by some conservative publisher for a tell all on the lefties.

Why not? Because if you help the left, you get given goodies, cash, and go to parties. You get cush jobs, book deals, sales, promotion.

Robert Davi recently revealed that he'd been offered pretty much the world, a talk show, all kinds of goodies if he'd flip on Trump and attack him.

That's how it works, folks. If you go the other way, if you attack the left? You get the reverse of the medal.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:34 PM (KZzsI)

90 What does Anthony Weener do now? Surely he has no patrons anymore... right?

Werner boy is taking an online class in freeway on ramp entrepreneurship

Posted by: Gardner the stache Minshew at September 09, 2019 12:35 PM (GF84D)

91 But then what do you do afterwards, if you're this guy?

What does Anthony Weener do now? Surely he has no patrons anymore... right?

How far does one have to fall before the money dries up? Does Matt Lauer still have an income? What about Al Freankin? Who still gives money to Bryan Singer?

I just don't get it. Really, I don't.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:33 PM (cY3LT)

In some cases they may become impoverished if they have nothing and no one to fall back on. Anthony Weiner was trying to start an investment fund of some sort iirc.

Posted by: Someguy at September 09, 2019 12:35 PM (y178e)

92 >>What does Anthony Weener do now?

Ace rode that guy hard.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 12:35 PM (ViZFb)

93 She was found dead in his office over like memorial day weekend or something. He was supposedly out of town. (no body checked to ping his cell phone - local cops let him off) The girl had sustained multiple fractures to her skull. Supposedly the coroner opined she got dizzy and hit her head on the edge of Joe's desk or something like that. So . . .

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Just a thing that happened in an office ...

These guys all have normal offices like regular businessmen ... murders, sex dungeons, stained fiscus plants ... aren't your offices the same?

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 12:35 PM (sX1BW)

94 and his pop is the traitorous mort Halperin, formerly from state, where he kept pushing to include the Vietcong, in negotiations, then ended up at the aclu,
where he approved of dgi asset agee's burning hundred of his colleagues, wanted to dismantle the intelligence services when they were going after leftists, Clinton got him a post in the nsc in the mid 90s, even though he couldn't have qualified for a security clearance,

Posted by: admiral marcus at September 09, 2019 12:36 PM (x+C/t)

95 So what's the two to three sentence summary on that? I know nothing, other than people here saying he killed an intern.
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She was found dead in his office over like memorial day weekend or something. He was supposedly out of town. (no body checked to ping his cell phone - local cops let him off) The girl had sustained multiple fractures to her skull. Supposedly the coroner opined she got dizzy and hit her head on the edge of Joe's desk or something like that. So . . .
Posted by: Quincy wasn't available at September 09, 2019 12:32 PM (HkQpu)

Wow. The ol' "she slipped and hit her head repeatedly on this here blunt force object that totally doesn't have any hair or blood on it, for some strange reason."

I hate it when that happens.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:36 PM (cY3LT)

96 >>I don't want to shock you but CNN has been lying again.

>>Bryan Dean Wright@BryanDeanWright
From the office run by CIA Director Gina Haspel - a lifelong Agency officer:

>>"Misguided speculation that the President's handling of our nation's most sensitive intelligence...drove an alleged exfiltration operation is inaccurate."

>>Believe Gina, not the Russia Hysteria Network.

This is about the CNN report today about the CIA sneaking a Russian spy in the Putin administration out of Russia. Supposedly, this spy was the source of Brennan's claims about Russia collusion with Trump in 2016.

The CIA has had this guy since the Spring of 2017 if the article is true.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2019 12:36 PM (ZLI7S)

97 Halperin is a known Button Man for the Clintons. He either fell out of favor with Hillary or the Clintons don't have the muscle any more.
Posted by: kbdabear at September 09, 2019 12:32 PM

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Button man? Did he help when Bill wanted to take his pants off? That seems like a full-time gig.

Posted by: irright at September 09, 2019 12:36 PM (aSKRB)

98 Who?

Posted by: It's me donna at September 09, 2019 12:37 PM (O2RFr)

99 These guys all have normal offices like regular businessmen ... murders, sex dungeons, stained fiscus plants ... aren't your offices the same?

I'm getting the rape lock button installed in my desk tomorrow

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:37 PM (KZzsI)

100 How far does one have to fall before the money dries up? Does Matt Lauer still have an income? What about Al Freankin? Who still gives money to Bryan Singer?

I just don't get it. Really, I don't.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:33 PM (cY3LT)

generally you assume that they stashed enough money away to go out and live on the outskirts of Vail, Colorado, or someplace like that for the rest of their lives. Or in Weiner's case, just stay in some condo eating takeout and watching Seinfeld reruns for the next couple of decades.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 12:37 PM (Kpl3J)

101 She was found dead in his office over like memorial day weekend or something. He was supposedly out of town. (no body checked to ping his cell phone - local cops let him off) The girl had sustained multiple fractures to her skull. Supposedly the coroner opined she got dizzy and hit her head on the edge of Joe's desk or something like that. So . . .

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Just a thing that happened in an office ...

These guys all have normal offices like regular businessmen ... murders, sex dungeons, stained fiscus plants ... aren't your offices the same?
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Countless interns have died at the corner of my desk. We call it the deskonator at the office. What desk hasn't taken the lives of a least a few unpaid drudges.

Posted by: Quincy wasn't available at September 09, 2019 12:37 PM (y4WjF)

102 She was found dead in his office over like memorial day weekend or something. He was supposedly out of town. (no body checked to ping his cell phone - local cops let him off) The girl had sustained multiple fractures to her skull. Supposedly the coroner opined she got dizzy and hit her head on the edge of Joe's desk over and over again or something like that. So . . .

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FTFY

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 09, 2019 12:37 PM (+y/Ru)

103 Don LeMon is being accused of sexual assault at this very moment, and has a witness backing the charges up, and CNN is sticking behind him.

ISWYDT

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at September 09, 2019 12:38 PM (O7MnT)

104 It's inconceivable that Weiner wasn't tied to Epstein in some way.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 09, 2019 12:38 PM (oVJmc)

105 If your industry was as perverted as the news and entertainment industry, you'd want it heavily regulated too.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 12:38 PM (sX1BW)

106 "The girl had sustained multiple fractures to her skull. Supposedly the coroner opined she got dizzy and hit her head on the edge of Joe's desk or something like that. "

Hit her head MULTIPLE times on his desk?

Alllllrighty then.

Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 12:38 PM (cF8AT)

107 lol Garrett.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 09, 2019 12:38 PM (mmAcL)

108 Strokin' in the Board Room' - Mark Halperin and the Rosy Palm Singers (2009)
Posted by: garrett

If I was wearing pants I would have to go change them after my coffee came blowing out my nose. Benchmark for funny this week.

Posted by: Gardner the stache Minshew at September 09, 2019 12:38 PM (GF84D)

109 The worst of the worst of the worst. Just like politicians.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 09, 2019 12:38 PM (NWiLs)

110 Weiner was back with Abedin wasn't he?

Posted by: Someguy at September 09, 2019 12:39 PM (y178e)

111 How far does one have to fall before the money dries up? Does Matt Lauer still have an income? What about Al Freankin? Who still gives money to Bryan Singer?

I just don't get it. Really, I don't.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:33 PM (cY3LT)

generally you assume that they stashed enough money away to go out and live on the outskirts of Vail, Colorado, or someplace like that for the rest of their lives. Or in Weiner's case, just stay in some condo eating takeout and watching Seinfeld reruns for the next couple of decades.
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Matt Lauer got paid so much money he could afford an expensive divorce and still buy vast amounts of property in New Zealand.

Posted by: Quincy wasn't available at September 09, 2019 12:39 PM (/cUA2)

112 >>It's inconceivable that Weiner wasn't tied to Epstein in some way.

Wouldn't surprise me if there were some Epstein emails on Weiner's laptop.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2019 12:39 PM (ZLI7S)

113 >>seems to me, Halpren is ripe to be picked by some conservative publisher for a tell all on the lefties.

Not that guy. He is the quintessential DC-NYC player.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 09, 2019 12:39 PM (bDqIh)

114 Wiener had hundreds of classified documents on his phone that he was not cleared for, and no federal charges were even attempted against him for this. He got a few months for flashing an underaged girl while lying next to his infant child, and that's it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:39 PM (KZzsI)

115 I forgot about Halperin's father, that all ties into how incestuous the deep state is. No wonder Halperin feels so entitled, he thinks he literally inherited some kind of title that gives him Status and Privilege for Life.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 12:40 PM (Kpl3J)

116 Some even take time off to go to a hedge fund and "make" a small fortune to keep them.

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"Including destroying the fortunes of thousands of others with impunity if you belong to the correct political party oligarchy. You're welcome." -- Jon Corzine

Posted by: ShainS -- Cancel #ErasureCulture at September 09, 2019 12:40 PM (q9HIW)

117 115 I forgot about Halperin's father, that all ties into how incestuous the deep state is. No wonder Halperin feels so entitled, he thinks he literally inherited some kind of title that gives him Status and Privilege for Life.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 12:40 PM (Kpl3J)

Is he wrong though?

Posted by: Someguy at September 09, 2019 12:40 PM (y178e)

118 Matt Lauer got paid so much money he could afford an expensive divorce and still buy vast amounts of property in New Zealand.

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Are the kiwi's views on sex dungeons more progressive than America?

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 12:40 PM (sX1BW)

119 Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:33 PM (cY3LT)

In some cases they may become impoverished if they have nothing and no one to fall back on. Anthony Weiner was trying to start an investment fund of some sort iirc.
Posted by: Someguy at September 09, 2019 12:35 PM (y178e)

..."start an investment fund..."

Yeah, Gofundme does prove that there is no shortage of gullible dupes who will give money away.

I'd like to think Weener is at a Burger King somewhere, being bossed around by a 19 year old assistant manager who doesn't care for his toilet cleaning skills.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:40 PM (cY3LT)

120 The girl had sustained multiple fractures to her skull. Supposedly the coroner opined she got dizzy and hit her head on the edge of Joe's desk or something like that. "

Hit her head MULTIPLE times on his desk?

Alllllrighty then.
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I believe the coroner's theory was that she hit the desk with such force that it caused the cranial bones to fracture across multiple planes. I believe he assumed there was a diving board in Joe's office.

Posted by: Quincy wasn't available at September 09, 2019 12:41 PM (/cUA2)

121 >>Is he wrong though?

Apparently.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2019 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)

122 I believe the correct terminology is Intern Murdering Joe Scarborough and Bleeding Face Mika

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 09, 2019 12:41 PM (FiUMj)

123 Matt Lauer got paid so much money he could afford an expensive divorce and still buy vast amounts of property in New Zealand.
Posted by: Quincy wasn't available at September 09, 2019 12:39 PM (/cUA2)

Huge tracts of lands?

Posted by: Insomniac at September 09, 2019 12:42 PM (NWiLs)

124 So some couple had a bank accidentally deposit $100,000 in their account, and as soon as they found out, they went on a spending spree.

So the police arrested them.

For spending money someone else put in their bank account.

Isn't the bank responsible for that? I mean, how is it illegal to spend money someone else puts in your account??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:42 PM (KZzsI)

125 Matt Lauer got paid so much money he could afford an expensive divorce and still buy vast amounts of property in New Zealand.

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Are the kiwi's views on sex dungeons more progressive than America?
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There was some talk about blocking his purchase because he was an undesirable, but political persuasion, charm, and considerable amounts of money were brought to bear.

Posted by: Quincy wasn't available at September 09, 2019 12:42 PM (UnTFD)

126 most recently poppa was vp at American progress, the outfit behind think regress, which found it's audience a little too selective,

Posted by: admiral marcus at September 09, 2019 12:42 PM (x+C/t)

127 Weiner and Ritter can hang out at the same Burger King. don't bring your girls there if they are under 17.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 09, 2019 12:43 PM (mmAcL)

128 he thinks he literally inherited some kind of title that gives him Status and Privilege for Life.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 12:40 PM (Kpl3J)

Is he wrong though?
Posted by: Someguy at September 09, 2019 12:40 PM (y178e)

If he isn't, we might need to borrow a page from Robespierre. When someone inherits something for life, there's only one guaranteed way to end it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 12:43 PM (Kpl3J)

129 So Smerconish finally has something to show for his wasted travesty of a life...even tho' his part in deplatforming Halperin was unintentional.

Posted by: kallisto at September 09, 2019 12:43 PM (Lv3JC)

130 Or in Weiner's case, just stay in some condo eating takeout and watching Seinfeld reruns for the next couple of decades.
That's how I want to go!

Posted by: andycanuck at September 09, 2019 12:43 PM (Dh1wo)

131 Wiener had hundreds of classified documents on his phone that he was not cleared for, and no federal charges were even attempted against him for this

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The funniest part of that whole thing was reading an article talking about how the local cops investigating the matter might get in serious federal trouble for not having clearance to accidentally discover the classified documents.

But nothing would happen to the person who leaked the classified documents, nor the person who backed them up off site to a non-government computer, or her husband who owned the computer and knew the material was there and what it was.

Folder was named "insurance policy" IIRC.

Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 09, 2019 12:44 PM (TyJCH)

132 I believe the coroner's theory was that she hit the desk with such force that it caused the cranial bones to fracture across multiple planes. I believe he assumed there was a diving board in Joe's office.

Its not impossible that his theory was correct, but this is the kind of thing on a crime show that the detectives go "something's not right with this case" and find the real answer about. Its not the most reasonable or likely answer.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:44 PM (KZzsI)

133 There was some talk about blocking his purchase because he was an undesirable, but political persuasion, charm, and considerable amounts of money were brought to bear.
Posted by: Quincy wasn't available at September 09, 2019 12:42 PM (UnTFD)

But mostly considerable amounts of money.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 09, 2019 12:45 PM (NWiLs)

134 LOL get fucked

Posted by: steevy at September 09, 2019 12:45 PM (l9mVC)

135 *gulp*

Posted by: Meeka at September 09, 2019 12:45 PM (vtcmf)

136 Has Halperin got a certificate showing he's successfully completed some harassment therapy class, or sensitivity training, at least? I'm not aware of any record of him tearfully confessing his sins, as these Maoist SJWs always require...

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at September 09, 2019 12:45 PM (bvp+i)

137 How far does one have to fall before the money dries up? Does Matt Lauer still have an income? What about Al Freankin? Who still gives money to Bryan Singer?

I just don't get it. Really, I don't.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:33 PM (cY3LT)

generally you assume that they stashed enough money away to go out and live on the outskirts of Vail, Colorado, or someplace like that for the rest of their lives. Or in Weiner's case, just stay in some condo eating takeout and watching Seinfeld reruns for the next couple of decades.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 12:37 PM (Kpl3J)

I'm sure that's true for some of them. Foresight, wise investments, that sort of thing.

But if I know anything about money, and I don't, it's that more often than not, MOST people don't think about the future. Or the extent that they do it's based on an assumption the gravy train is never gonna stop.

So when it does... some of these people must be broke. Unless they have a hidden sugar daddy somewhere.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:45 PM (cY3LT)

138 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 12:46 PM (Zz0t1)

139 I could care less what you Morons think. I'm comfortably situated on a farm in North Carolina, one of many properties I own. Life is good....

Posted by: Charlie Rose at September 09, 2019 12:46 PM (FTlwv)

140 What did LeMon assault? A tranny or a jar of peanut butter?

Posted by: wth at September 09, 2019 12:46 PM (v0R5T)

141 SMELL MY FINGER!!!!!

You like SACK or SNATCH??!!?

Posted by: Don LeMon at September 09, 2019 12:46 PM (Zz0t1)

142 Or in Weiner's case, just stay in some condo eating takeout and watching Seinfeld reruns for the next couple of decades.

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If they hadn't dislocated Epstein's hyoid bone, he'd have been able to stream kiddie pr0n from Pedo Island instead.

Posted by: ShainS -- Cancel #ErasureCulture at September 09, 2019 12:47 PM (adDcL)

143 it must be a great gig to be coroner in a Dem constituency. "okay Mayor Kennedy, why don't YOU just tell me how these three Dominican teenaged girls all committed suicide and how your Republican opponent somehow tripped into a big tub of acid in the last four days. I'll just take notes and then use those tickets to the Caribbean vacation you generously donated"

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 09, 2019 12:47 PM (mmAcL)

144 Not a whiff of corruption, honey.

Posted by: Lemony Sniffit at September 09, 2019 12:47 PM (sN9mD)

145 134 LOL get fucked
Posted by: steevy at September 09, 2019 12:45 PM (l9mVC)

Jeez, what did I do?

Posted by: Insomniac at September 09, 2019 12:47 PM (NWiLs)

146
Are the kiwi's views on sex dungeons more progressive than America?

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 12:40 PM (sX1BW)

The Tower of Orthanc was a real swinging place.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Support Your Sagging Self-Worth with Poses & Postures from The Outrage Outlet! at September 09, 2019 12:47 PM (hLRSq)

147 OT/Anyone here from NC? How is that race going?

Posted by: It's me donna at September 09, 2019 12:47 PM (O2RFr)

148 31 Do not take Halperin if you allergic to Halperin or any of its ingredients.
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We're going to be advising our clients to put this warning on all products sold in the U.S.:

WARNING: Do not use this product if it may cause you any type of harm or problems, or if it may cause any type of harm or problems for anyone with whom you associate or interact, or may associate or interact with in the future. If you disregard this warning, the manufacturer will not be legally responsible for any injuries or harm that may result.

Posted by: Lawyers at September 09, 2019 12:48 PM (k4dH2)

149 But if I know anything about money, and I don't, it's that more often than not, MOST people don't think about the future. Or the extent that they do it's based on an assumption the gravy train is never gonna stop.

So when it does... some of these people must be broke. Unless they have a hidden sugar daddy somewhere.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:45 PM (cY3LT)

most of these people are only where they are because they were always trust fund babies. People who actually have to work for a living because they don't have big family money behind them don't have the luxury of playing around in politics. And the media hasn't been anything like a "meritocracy for decades, that's one of the biggest lies out there. You get a job because you're either a family member or a school chum of one of the gatekeepers.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 12:48 PM (Kpl3J)

150 CNN is sticking behind him.
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ISWYDT

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at September 09, 2019 12:48 PM (hjaPQ)

151 The fact that Halperin and others think he should be allowed back illustrates that #metoo is just a BS posture designed to only apply to their enemies, not their friends.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 09, 2019 12:49 PM (oVJmc)

152 I see Valerie Plame is running for Congress in New Mexico. For such a covert deep-cover operative, she sure seems to enjoy the limelight.

One of the biggest red pills for me to swallow was realizing that the intelligence agencies are mostly filled with people like Plame and McMuffin rather than Mitch Rapp and Jack Ryan.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at September 09, 2019 12:49 PM (N4xQB)

153 sooo Jacksonville Jaguars lost Nick Foles their Starting QB to a broken Clavicle & needed a Backup QB & Traded for Steelers 3rd QB Josh Dobbs & the SJW's on Twatter are saying over KaeperDICK ? HAHA
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 09, 2019 12:17 PM (BqBId)

Kraepernick hasn't touched a field in over 2 years and the last time he did, he sucked royally.

Teams overall goals are to win championships and MAKE MONEY. Kraepernick will do neither of those for any team. He made himself a cancer and everyone HATES cancer.

Fuck off, SJW's.

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 12:49 PM (Zz0t1)

154 I believe the coroner's theory was that she hit the desk with such force that it caused the cranial bones to fracture across multiple planes. I believe he assumed there was a diving board in Joe's office.

Its not impossible that his theory was correct, but this is the kind of thing on a crime show that the detectives go "something's not right with this case" and find the real answer about. Its not the most reasonable or likely answer.
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So one time there was a suicide in which guy used a gun - automatic - and the shell was found standing upright on the mantel of the fireplace. So after like 1 thousand simulations where a round was ejected and finally bounced upright on a flat surface at the same height, the ME closed the case as a suicide. The reason I referenced a diving board is because that's the kind of force you'd need for that kind of "one hit only damage" to the human skull. Fainting from standing height, of a short female, not nearly as much energy.

But if the standard is impossible, then okay, its not impossible for it to have been an accidental death.

Posted by: Quincy wasn't available at September 09, 2019 12:49 PM (y4WjF)

155 Is Halpern the the guy who could lock his office door with a button under his desk.

I'm sure Don Lemon is never happier than when there's someone behind him. His back door is always open.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, champion of Urkers everywhere at September 09, 2019 12:50 PM (Uu+Jp)

156 Second look at Marianne Williamson?

Marianne Williamson@marwilliamson
Russell Brand will be joining me in Los Angeles on Sept. 15

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 09, 2019 12:50 PM (+y/Ru)

157 I see Valerie Plame is running for Congress in New Mexico.

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I suspect a lot of new mexicans would vote for her.

Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 09, 2019 12:51 PM (TyJCH)

158 Halperins big mistake was not being in one of those get paid $25 million to go away type positions.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 09, 2019 12:51 PM (uFuUP)

159 124 So some couple had a bank accidentally deposit $100,000 in their account, and as soon as they found out, they went on a spending spree.

So the police arrested them.

For spending money someone else put in their bank account.

Isn't the bank responsible for that? I mean, how is it illegal to spend money someone else puts in your account??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:42 PM (KZzsI)

Wouldn't you call the bank before you bought a camper, a new car, a race car and gave $15k to your friends?

Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 12:51 PM (cF8AT)

160 And the media hasn't been anything like a "meritocracy for decades, that's one of the biggest lies out there. You get a job because you're either a family member or a school chum of one of the gatekeepers.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Lies!

All lies!!!

Posted by: Chelsea "Clinton" at September 09, 2019 12:51 PM (QzkSJ)

161 You can, um, "assault" a jar of peanut butter?

I'm guessing smooth, not crunchy. But still, isn't that rather sticky?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 09, 2019 12:51 PM (O8WFE)

162 I guarantee that the amazingly unfunny Franken will be back soon, probably run for office again.

#MeToo was supposed to destroy Republicans and men, under the Hillary regime, but the attacks kept landing on leftists, so its been pretty much abandoned.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:51 PM (KZzsI)

163 I see Valerie Plame is running for Congress in New Mexico.

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I suspect a lot of new mexicans would vote for her.

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And some old

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 12:52 PM (sX1BW)

164 Carly Fiorina @CarlyFiorina just went full #Cuck on Twitter.
Tip: Never go full #Cuck

In this country, we pledge allegiance to the flag, not the president. We swear fidelity to the Constitution, not the party. Our flag is a symbol of "one nation... indivisible... with liberty and justice for all." (1/10)

When did so many Republicans decide that we should also pledge allegiance to The Party and swear fidelity to President Trump? I have been called "disloyal" because I am critical of Trump. (5/10)

I am not alone. Many others have been intimidated into silence or compelled to defend the indefensible.(6/10)

We abdicate our responsibility to help create a "more perfect union." And in this country, the citizen, not the President, is sovereign.(8/10)

Every elected official, including the President, is there to serve the citizenry, not the other way around. It is not a citizen's job to "be loyal"; it is the official's job to earn our loyalty. And when they cannot, we vote them out of office.(9/10)

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at September 09, 2019 12:52 PM (9BmSv)

165 Second look at Marianne Williamson?

Marianne Williamson@marwilliamson
Russell Brand will be joining me in Los Angeles on Sept. 15
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 09, 2019 12:50 PM (+y/Ru)

Who?

And who?

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 12:52 PM (Zz0t1)

166 Wouldn't you call the bank before you bought a camper, a new car, a race car and gave $15k to your friends?

Sure I would, but why are they under arrest??? The bank made the mistake, the bank should be responsible for the money they misallocated.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:52 PM (KZzsI)

167 I suspect a lot of new mexicans would vote for her.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

"new" as in arriving between now and the election?

Posted by: Miklos, probably right again at September 09, 2019 12:52 PM (QzkSJ)

168 Isn't the bank responsible for that? I mean, how is it illegal to spend money someone else puts in your account??

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That's an interesting point. It does seem like the sort of thing there should/would be insurance against.

Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 09, 2019 12:53 PM (TyJCH)

169 I saw Marianne Williamson and Russell Brand open for Biohazard at a wedding at the Qwik-E Bitch Chapel in Carson City, 1999

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 09, 2019 12:53 PM (mmAcL)

170
I am not alone. Many others have been intimidated into silence or compelled to defend the indefensible.(6/10)

Silence? LOL... I wish

Posted by: It's me donna at September 09, 2019 12:53 PM (O2RFr)

171 LOLGF Fiorina.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 09, 2019 12:53 PM (O8WFE)

172 Only one question. Did Joe offer Mika to give Halperin free BJ's?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Marcus White-T at September 09, 2019 12:53 PM (VpIIl)

173 on the topic of Trust fund babies - one of the big gripes the Washington establishment had against Scott Pruitt, Trump's first EPA director, was that he was a working class schlub who had to hustle to find his wife a job in DC, and who struggled finding a place to live that he can afford. You're supposed to head to D.C. with several million already stashed away so you don't have to worry about petty concerns like that, that's what's required for a Cabinet entry. Someone who doesn't have it and who isn't in that social set is hated and despised by the Deep Staters.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 12:53 PM (Kpl3J)

174 that was supposed to be "Hitch".

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 09, 2019 12:53 PM (mmAcL)

175 I'm sure that's true for some of them. Foresight, wise investments, that sort of thing.

But if I know anything about money, and I don't, it's that more often than not, MOST people don't think about the future. Or the extent that they do it's based on an assumption the gravy train is never gonna stop.

So when it does... some of these people must be broke. Unless they have a hidden sugar daddy somewhere.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:45 PM (cY3LT)

UMC+ people buy into the stock market in recessions, everyone else sells out.

Certain behaviors of the elite which are financially sound are cultural norms for them. Celebrities generally spend like lower class people, that is, more than they have, because they are frequently from the lower class.

The elite doesn't necessarily know anything about investing, but they will hand over control of their money to the subset of the elite that claims to. This usually works out reasonably well for them. Being charged 1 to 2% to match the SP 500 may be excessive but that money is still growing.

Posted by: Someguy at September 09, 2019 12:53 PM (4i8PS)

176 That's an awful lot of words coming out of Fiorina's yap for someone who's been "silenced."

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 09, 2019 12:54 PM (O8WFE)

177 So some couple had a bank accidentally deposit $100,000 in their account, and as soon as they found out, they went on a spending spree.

So the police arrested them.

For spending money someone else put in their bank account.

Isn't the bank responsible for that? I mean, how is it illegal to spend money someone else puts in your account??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:42 PM (KZzsI)

Bank Error in your favor!

Collect $100,000.

Posted by: Rich Uncle Pennybags at September 09, 2019 12:54 PM (Zz0t1)

178 Years ago I tried to give Carly Fiorina a chance. That was a mistake.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at September 09, 2019 12:54 PM (hjaPQ)

179 To add about Psycho Joes intern

She was in her late 20s, and an avid runner. Which casts doubt on her just getting dizzy

Joe resigned from Congress right after to spend time with his family. Who he left for Mika

Joe was very friendly with the local police. It was his base

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 09, 2019 12:54 PM (pTUgD)

180 In this country, we pledge allegiance to the flag, not the president. We swear fidelity to the Constitution, not the party. Our flag is a symbol of "one nation... indivisible... with liberty and justice for all."

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Don't all Trump voters believe this? Isn't this one of the things that propelled Trump ... that he went after people and institutions that disrespect the flag, er. Kap and the NFL?

The answer is obviously true.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 12:55 PM (sX1BW)

181 Fiorina has no loyalty, doesn't know what it means

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 09, 2019 12:55 PM (mmAcL)

182 >>Isn't the bank responsible for that? I mean, how is it illegal to spend money someone else puts in your account??

No. They wrote checks they knew they could not cover.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 12:55 PM (ViZFb)

183 What other industry in the world can make an error in the favor of a customer, and they get arrested for taking advantage of it??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:55 PM (KZzsI)

184 >>Second look at Marianne Williamson?

Marianne Williamson@marwilliamson
Russell Brand will be joining me in Los Angeles on Sept. 15
- - -
Apart from being just plain icky, Brand is a crazy Socialist.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 09, 2019 12:55 PM (bDqIh)

185 California judge, again, after being denied by the infamous Ninth Circuit, has reimposed his unconstitutional nationwide injunction on the Trump Administration's new asylum policy.

Posted by: Marcus White-T at September 09, 2019 12:55 PM (VpIIl)

186 Isn't the bank responsible for that? I mean, how is it illegal to spend money someone else puts in your account??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:42 PM (KZzsI)

That was someone else's property, you knew it was someone else's, not yours, and you converted that property to your use.

At that point you are pretty much screwed.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Support Your Sagging Self-Worth with Poses & Postures from The Outrage Outlet! at September 09, 2019 12:55 PM (hLRSq)

187 Sure I would, but why are they under arrest??? The bank made the mistake, the bank should be responsible for the money they misallocated.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:52 PM (KZzsI)

The Sun-Gazette reported that the couple, in separate interrogations, told police that they "admitted to knowing the mislaid money did not belong to them, but they spent it anyway."

The Williamses could not be reached immediately, and it was unclear whether they had retained legal counsel.

The couple now face three felony charges of theft and receiving stolen property, court records show. They appeared in court last week and posted bail of $25,000 each.

Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 12:55 PM (cF8AT)

188 No. They wrote checks they knew they could not cover.

Sure they could. There's an extra hundred grand in their account, it covers all the checks they wrote. Literally.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:55 PM (KZzsI)

189 This is not who we are!!!

Posted by: Carly Figurina at September 09, 2019 12:56 PM (vtcmf)

190 IF they could afford to cover their spending spree, without the additional monies, then they are fine. If they knowingly overdraw the account and can't cover the cost+fees...then they are in trouble.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 12:56 PM (ViZFb)

191 in SJW world, someone not doing what you tell them to do is "silencing" them, and someone talking back at them is "making them unsafe".

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 09, 2019 12:56 PM (mmAcL)

192 Every elected official, including the President, is there to serve the citizenry, not the other way around. It is not a citizen's job to "be loyal"; it is the official's job to earn our loyalty. And when they cannot, we vote them out of office.(9/10)
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at September 09, 2019 12:52 PM (9BmSv)

Name one politician that lives by that rule, cuunt.

Go away. We humored you for a piece when you spoke like you had a brain.

Now, LOLGF.

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 12:56 PM (Zz0t1)

193 "I've got something really important to say, so I'm going to put it on......Twitter!"

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 09, 2019 12:56 PM (xfb67)

194 This is not who we are!!!
Posted by: Carly Figurina at September 09, 2019 12:56 PM (vtcmf)

Well it is who I am B**ch

Posted by: It's me donna at September 09, 2019 12:56 PM (O2RFr)

195 That was someone else's property, you knew it was someone else's, not yours, and you converted that property to your use.

Let's say I have a shoe company. Someone orders a $40 pair of shoes and I accidentally send a $150 pair.

If they put those shoes on and wear them, should they be arrested?? Am I not liable for my stupid mistake here or is it all on the customer?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:56 PM (KZzsI)

196 Who rattled Firoina's cage?

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 12:57 PM (Kpl3J)

197 it must be a great gig to be coroner in a Dem constituency. "okay Mayor Kennedy, why don't YOU just tell me how these three Dominican teenaged girls all committed suicide and how your Republican opponent somehow tripped into a big tub of acid in the last four days. I'll just take notes and then use those tickets to the Caribbean vacation you generously donated"
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 09, 2019 12:47 PM (mmAcL)

Probably one of the other Great Myths that have gone unexplored, mostly due to popular media portraying it otherwise, is this notion that Medical Examiners can figure out how somebody dies, due to their magical miracle medical knowledge and bugs and stuff.

Bullshit.

The sheer tonnage of lies that get buried, it must be astounding.

Incompetence and/or corruption... if you name a profession, and give me long enough time to study how it really works, I'll show you just how deep it goes.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 12:57 PM (cY3LT)

198 OT: The people of the Britain formerly known as Great can sleep easier tonight.

Warwickshire Police@warkspolice
These blank firing and BB handguns were seized from a house in Exhall and a man arrested.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 09, 2019 12:57 PM (+y/Ru)

199 This is not who we are!!!
Posted by: Carly Figurina

We're not who we used to be either.

Posted by: Compaq at September 09, 2019 12:57 PM (QzkSJ)

200 The bank made the mistake, the bank should be responsible for the money they misallocated.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:52 PM (KZzsI)

The bank will also have some responsibility. But they converted property they knew wasn't theirs to their use.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Support Your Sagging Self-Worth with Poses & Postures from The Outrage Outlet! at September 09, 2019 12:57 PM (hLRSq)

201 >>Sure they could. There's an extra hundred grand in their account, it covers all the checks they wrote. Literally.

Not if they didn't have the funds to cover them, not including the mistaken funds, with the same bank.

At least, that's the only way you could keep from getting charged for a crime.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 12:58 PM (ViZFb)

202 Are the never Trumpers on an outrage rotation? Who is up next?

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at September 09, 2019 12:58 PM (wGbBR)

203 - - -
Apart from being just plain icky, Brand is a crazy Socialist.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 09, 2019 12:55 PM (bDqIh)

And he was married to Katy Perry back when she was still hot

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at September 09, 2019 12:58 PM (N4xQB)

204 Wouldn't surprise me if there were some Epstein emails on Weiner's laptop.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2019 12:39 PM (ZLI7S)

They had a child together; called it Weinstein.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2019 12:58 PM (jEgzt)

205 No honor among thieves.

Posted by: Allie at September 09, 2019 12:58 PM (sm6Pk)

206 Does anyone else wonder what Trump and Putin really discussed in Helsinki?

Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2019 12:58 PM (ZLI7S)

207 Who?

And who?
Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 12:52 PM

Crazy New Age chick "running" for president.

Dude who was schtupping Katy Perry.

Yeah. I'm embarrassed that I know either of those things.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 09, 2019 12:58 PM (ejd/p)

208 Are the never Trumpers on an outrage rotation? Who is up next?

Frantically waves hand

Posted by: Jeb, please clap, Bush at September 09, 2019 12:58 PM (O2RFr)

209 196 Who rattled Firoina's cage?

My guess is she's joining forces with Sanford's quest to divert funds to grifter PACs.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 09, 2019 12:59 PM (O8WFE)

210 201 >>Sure they could. There's an extra hundred grand in their account, it covers all the checks they wrote. Literally.

Not if they didn't have the funds to cover them, not including the mistaken funds, with the same bank.

At least, that's the only way you could keep from getting charged for a crime.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 12:58 PM (ViZFb)

They had $1100 in their acct. before the bank transfer.

They're idiots. Charge 'em.

Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 12:59 PM (cF8AT)

211 Let's say I have a shoe company. Someone orders a $40 pair of shoes and I accidentally send a $150 pair.

The Louboutin Error

A new John Grisham legal thriller

Posted by: Miklos, top of the charts at September 09, 2019 12:59 PM (QzkSJ)

212 102
She was found dead in his office over like memorial day weekend or
something. He was supposedly out of town. (no body checked to ping his
cell phone - local cops let him off)

so he could have been in prague, then.

Posted by: Anachronda at September 09, 2019 12:59 PM (sGtp+)

213 Does anyone else wonder what Trump and Putin really discussed in Helsinki?

Posted by: JackStraw
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It went something like dis:

Me: Trump you are my stooge!

Trump: Yes master.

Posted by: Vladimir Dis'putin at September 09, 2019 01:00 PM (HkQpu)

214 Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to me, to me.

Posted by: Carly Figurina at September 09, 2019 01:00 PM (vtcmf)

215 What other industry in the world can make an error in the favor of a customer, and they get arrested for taking advantage of it??
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:55 PM (KZzsI)

The answer to your question might very well be "none," but I'm pretty sure there are laws on the books that cover this sort of thing with clarity.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 01:00 PM (cY3LT)

216 Who rattled Firoina's cage?
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 12:57 PM (Kpl3J)

PLEASE someone posted in response on her twatter feed "WHO ASKED YOU?"

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:00 PM (Zz0t1)

217 >>Let's say I have a shoe company. Someone orders a $40 pair of shoes and I accidentally send a $150 pair.

>>If they put those shoes on and wear them, should they be arrested??

This is not analagous.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 01:00 PM (ViZFb)

218 Does anyone else wonder what Trump and Putin really discussed in Helsinki?

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Probably both amazed that someone as beta as Obama was elected twice.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:00 PM (sX1BW)

219 The Sun-Gazette reported that the couple, in separate interrogations, told police that they "admitted to knowing the mislaid money did not belong to them, but they spent it anyway."

Allow me to point out that the 3 top pieces of advice any defense lawyer will give to ANY client are, "Shut up, Shut UP, SHUT UP!!!!"

What that statement above says is that the couple in question has publicly confessed to theft. They are screwed now, no way out, not after a public confession. They could have said that they thought it was theirs, that they hadn't been paying attention, that they didn't notice. Any stupid story, but it would have made them only civilliy liable for the money, not criminally liable.

By confessing, they admitted intent, which brings on criminal liability. "Shut up, Shut UP, SHUT UP!!!!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 01:00 PM (Kpl3J)

220 So we learned today that if money mistakenly appears in your account, cash out and disappear.

Or be an illegal, they can do anything.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 09, 2019 01:01 PM (xfb67)

221 124 So some couple had a bank accidentally deposit $100,000 in their account, and as soon as they found out, they went on a spending spree.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:42 PM (KZzsI)

Something like that happened to me. I made a deposit, and someone hit the "00" one too many times. I called the bank and they corrected the error. It's an account, not a safety deposit box.

EoJ had a rant or two about misconceptions of "accounts", specifically the online information/social variety.

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at September 09, 2019 01:01 PM (w+Ped)

222 >>They had $1100 in their acct. before the bank transfer.

Yeah - This is the problem.

If they had 120k in their account, different story.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 01:01 PM (ViZFb)

223 >>It went something like dis:

>>Me: Trump you are my stooge!

>>Trump: Yes master.

I think it was probably more along the lines of "We are going to catch all of these lying scumbags who made up this Russia collusion crap to slime both of us".

Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2019 01:01 PM (ZLI7S)

224 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:56 PM (KZzsI)

They *knew* that the money wasn't theirs, this wasn't a $100 error, this was a big one. Knowing that money wasn't their property they then used it.

I realize you do not like that answer.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Support Your Sagging Self-Worth with Poses & Postures from The Outrage Outlet! at September 09, 2019 01:02 PM (hLRSq)

225 Expect a whole slew of never Trumpers to come out of the woodwork They believe the polls that Trump doesn't have a chance to win and they feel safe.Maybe they don't want to be put in the camps

Posted by: It's me donna at September 09, 2019 01:02 PM (O2RFr)

226 Crazy New Age chick "running" for president.

Dude who was schtupping Katy Perry.

Yeah. I'm embarrassed that I know either of those things.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 09, 2019 12:58 PM (ejd/p)

Remind me to have you on my team during the next Trivial Pursuit: Pop Culture Edition game night.

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:02 PM (Zz0t1)

227 Wouldn't you call the bank before you bought a camper, a new car, a race car and gave $15k to your friends?
Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 12:51 PM (cF8AT)

They're obviously dishonest dirtbags.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:02 PM (YqDXo)

228 So some couple had a bank accidentally deposit $100,000 in their account, and as soon as they found out, they went on a spending spree.

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My bank accidentally deposited $250,000 in my account once. I didn't spend it and it magically disappeared.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 09, 2019 01:02 PM (+y/Ru)

229 178
Years ago I tried to give Carly Fiorina a chance. That was a mistake.

~~moose~~ hp out front shoulda told you.

Posted by: Anachronda at September 09, 2019 01:03 PM (sGtp+)

230 Maybe they were expecting a large transfer from a Nigerian prince.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 09, 2019 01:03 PM (xfb67)

231 I realize you do not like that answer.

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I think Chris knows it is the correct answer. Perhaps he thinks the bank should be held more accountable as well - which may be fair.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:03 PM (sX1BW)

232 Let's say I have a shoe company. Someone orders a $40 pair of shoes and I accidentally send a $150 pair.

If they put those shoes on and wear them, should they be arrested?? Am I not liable for my stupid mistake here or is it all on the customer?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:56 PM (KZzsI)

But the 'someone' ordered a pair of shoes.

You sent shoes...albeit the wrong ones.

These people just had $120k plunked into their acct. They KNEW it wasn't theirs but spent it anyway.

Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 01:03 PM (cF8AT)

233 I think it was probably more along the lines of "We are going to catch all of these lying scumbags who made up this Russia collusion crap to slime both of us".
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ha ha americansky running dog capitalist, behold the power of ROOOSHIA!!! All ur bases R belong to me!!!

Posted by: Vladimir Dis'putin at September 09, 2019 01:03 PM (HkQpu)

234 They *knew* that the money wasn't theirs, this wasn't a $100 error, this was a big one. Knowing that money wasn't their property they then used it.

I realize you do not like that answer.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Support Your Sagging Self-Worth with Poses & Postures from The Outrage Outlet! at September 09, 2019 01:02 PM (hLRSq)

I'm with you on this.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:03 PM (YqDXo)

235 Not if they didn't have the funds to cover them, not including the mistaken funds, with the same bank.

At least, that's the only way you could keep from getting charged for a crime.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 12:58 PM (ViZFb)

They had $1100 in their acct. before the bank transfer.

They're idiots. Charge 'em.
Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 12:59 PM (cF8AT)

Reminds me of this other quirk of the law that comes up often for petty criminals.

If you walk into a store, and walk out with something you didn't pay for, what they charge you with is determined by what you had in your pockets.

It doesn't matter if it's a pack of gum or a diamond ring. If you don't have a buck in your pocket and you try to take a pack of gum? They'll charge you with robbery instead of theft.

If you walk into a diamond store and walk out with a thousand dollar ring, but you have a credit card in your pocket with more than a thousand dollar limit? Simple theft... or whatever. A lesser crime either way, because it assumes intent when you walk in and take something, and you don't have the means to pay for it.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 01:04 PM (cY3LT)

236 The answer to your question might very well be "none"

The difference here is that banks are powerful and politically connected, and have special rules that apply only to them. If the laws were logical, consistent, and followed common sense, then banks would be just like any other business that made an error in the favor of the customer, from their insurance or personal finances.

Money is not a magical special substance, its a coupon that represents bartering. It allows people to transact between each other without matching exact needs. Instead of trading a chicken for beets, I trade money for beets. It represents product and services, time, and effort.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:04 PM (KZzsI)

237 They *knew* that the money wasn't theirs

There is a legal term for this. Mons veneris or something.

Posted by: Miklos, been while since Latin class at September 09, 2019 01:05 PM (QzkSJ)

238 The shoe store doesn't have a contract with you, allowing them to go into your closet and take out shoes if you mistakenly end up with the wrong pair.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 01:05 PM (ViZFb)

239 Crazy New Age chick "running" for president.

Dude who was schtupping Katy Perry.

Wha? Who was banging Katy?

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:05 PM (hOwPo)

240 220 So we learned today that if money mistakenly appears in your account, cash out and disappear.

Or be an illegal, they can do anything.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 09, 2019 01:01 PM (xfb67)

Can't withdraw more than 10kish without red flags and delays.

Posted by: Someguy at September 09, 2019 01:05 PM (4i8PS)

241 124 So some couple had a bank accidentally deposit $100,000 in their account, and as soon as they found out, they went on a spending spree.

So the police arrested them.

For spending money someone else put in their bank account.

Isn't the bank responsible for that? I mean, how is it illegal to spend money someone else puts in your account??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

the bank accidentally put $10K in my account once. I informed them of their error.

Posted by: x at September 09, 2019 01:05 PM (nFwvY)

242 Thunderbolt and lightning, Very, very frightening me.

Posted by: Carly Figurina at September 09, 2019 01:05 PM (vtcmf)

243 Fiorina talks about a lot of lofty ideals in service to the same old corruptocracy.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at September 09, 2019 01:06 PM (oVJmc)

244 Or Amash. Carly Farina might be teaming up with Amash to relieve some stupid donors of their not-so-hard earned moolah.

Him or Sanford. Grifters gotta grift.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 09, 2019 01:06 PM (O8WFE)

245 If the person at the store gives you back a $20 when you know they only owed you $10, you will probably not be arrested. Now if the person gives you back $100,000 when they only owed you $10, and you kept it you probably would be arrested. Regardless, you knew right and wrong, and just because a mistake was made doesn't mean you should keep the money.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:06 PM (sX1BW)

246 What that statement above says is that the couple in question has publicly confessed to theft. They are screwed now, no way out, not after a public confession. They could have said that they thought it was theirs, that they hadn't been paying attention, that they didn't notice. Any stupid story, but it would have made them only civilliy liable for the money, not criminally liable.

By confessing, they admitted intent, which brings on criminal liability. "Shut up, Shut UP, SHUT UP!!!!"
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 01:00 PM (Kpl3J)

Yeah, but realistically, the dramatic increase in their spending - and how they spent it - screams "We know this isn't ours, and are trying to take advantage of the error as quickly as possible."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:06 PM (YqDXo)

247 Banks are a tool of white supremacy.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 09, 2019 01:07 PM (xfb67)

248 These people just had $120k plunked into their acct. They KNEW it wasn't theirs but spent it anyway.
Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 01:03 PM (cF8AT)

A good place to point out how important what you say is, ESPECIALLY in criminal cases. They COULD have said that they prayed and prayed for financial relief, and that when that money showed up they thought it was a MIRACLE from God so they spent it like he wanted them to. You may not have believed it, but they could have said it, and if they could have sold it there would be NO theft because you could never prove that they had the intent to Steal from anyone.

BUT - they have already confessed to Knowing it wasn't there. Bingo - there's Intent, there's a criminal conviction right there, game over.

That's why you talk to a lawyer BEFORE you talk to the cops.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 01:07 PM (Kpl3J)

249 I'm glad I'm not interested in CNN intrigue.

Posted by: Sooner at September 09, 2019 01:07 PM (Fs5vw)

250 221
124 So some couple had a bank accidentally deposit $100,000 in their
account, and as soon as they found out, they went on a spending spree.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 12:42 PM (KZzsI)

Something like that happened to me. I made a deposit, and someone
hit the "00" one too many times. I called the bank and they corrected
the error. It's an account, not a safety deposit box.

used to be an epic story online about a fellow who got some sort of lottery spam that included a phony $2 million (iirc) check to entice him to sign up. he looked at the check closely and it looked valid, so he deposited it via an atm. and it went through. and the money was collected. so he got a cashier's check and stashed it in a safe deposit box. and then the fecal matter hit the rotary air recirculator.

good read, but last time i went looking for it, i couldn't find it.

Posted by: Anachronda at September 09, 2019 01:07 PM (sGtp+)

251 They *knew* that the money wasn't theirs, this wasn't a $100 error, this was a big one. Knowing that money wasn't their property they then used it.

So?

The bank is the one responsible for this mistake, its not my responsibility to make sure that the bank keeps proper accounting. Its not my job to make sure they don't make mistakes.

Its their job. Their responsibility. And in no way at any point should anyone be arrested for the bank making a mistake.

If they screw up, their insurance is there to cover for their messups. Just like for the rest of us.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:07 PM (KZzsI)

252 Trump said "some women will let you grab 'em by the p***y if you're rich and famous."

Halperine: "I actually DID grab their p***ies and worse. But I'm of the protected class."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 09, 2019 01:07 PM (ptqGC)

253 245 If the person at the store gives you back a $20 when you know they only owed you $10, you will probably not be arrested. Now if the person gives you back $100,000 when they only owed you $10, and you kept it you probably would be arrested. Regardless, you knew right and wrong, and just because a mistake was made doesn't mean you should keep the money.
Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:06 PM (sX1BW)

And turn it around: suppose the error were in the store's favor? Wouldn't you want/ expect them to see you right?

Golden Rule is old-fashioned, but still prescribes the way to live.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:08 PM (YqDXo)

254 the bank accidentally put $10K in my account once. I informed them of their error.

Sure, that's the responsible thing to do. Its the honest thing to do. That's how you should respond. But if you didn't that doesn't mean that you should be arrested for it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:08 PM (KZzsI)

255 >>Its their job. Their responsibility. And in no way at any point should anyone be arrested for the bank making a mistake.

You should spend some time reading the fine prints.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 01:08 PM (ViZFb)

256
So?

The bank is the one responsible for this mistake, its not my responsibility to make sure that the bank keeps proper accounting. Its not my job to make sure they don't make mistakes.

Its their job. Their responsibility. And in no way at any point should anyone be arrested for the bank making a mistake.

If they screw up, their insurance is there to cover for their messups. Just like for the rest of us.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:07 PM (KZzsI)

They weren't arrested for the bank making a mistake. They were arrested for spending money that wasn't their's.

Posted by: Someguy at September 09, 2019 01:08 PM (4i8PS)

257 Posted by: Lemony Sniffit at September 09, 2019 12:47 PM (sN9mD)

Omg. This nic is Everything.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 09, 2019 01:08 PM (ptqGC)

258 The bank is the one responsible for this mistake, its not my responsibility to make sure that the bank keeps proper accounting. Its not my job to make sure they don't make mistakes.

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But it is your duty not to steal.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:08 PM (sX1BW)

259 Haven't read the comments yet. Are there people arguing that the bank customers should suffer no consequences because it was the bank's error?

Hope not.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 09, 2019 01:09 PM (2DOZq)

260 One of the best lessons I ever got from my Dad was the time we drove all the way back to the lumber yard when he realized they gave him $3.00 change back when it was supposed to be 30 cents. I remember asking him why and he simply said it wasn't his money.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:09 PM (hOwPo)

261 So, the Journalist's Guild is trying to exempt themselves from the Cancel Culture/#MeToo shamecasting that they themselves created?

Typical of power-hungry Progs: rules for you but not for me because I'm oh-so-very special.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #PurgeProgressivism at September 09, 2019 01:09 PM (HaL55)

262 Yeah, but realistically, the dramatic increase in their spending - and how they spent it - screams "We know this isn't ours, and are trying to take advantage of the error as quickly as possible."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:06 PM (YqDXo)

The prosecutor would make that case, but the defense would say "we just did what we thought God told us to do." And hope for a jury that liked them more than they liked the bank.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 01:09 PM (Kpl3J)

263 And in no way at any point should anyone be arrested for the bank making a mistake.

They're not arrested for the bank making a mistake. They're arrested for dishonestly taking advantage of what they knew was a mistake.

If someone by mistake leaves his car unlocked, with the keys in the ignition, do passersby have the right to drive off in it without legal repercussions?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:10 PM (YqDXo)

264 I had a Kroger cashier short me $5 one time, and she actually asked me if I wanted the money, or just "give" it to the store.

I couldn't even.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 09, 2019 01:10 PM (ptqGC)

265 They COULD have said that they prayed and prayed for financial relief, and that when that money showed up they thought it was a MIRACLE from God so they spent it like he wanted them to.

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I like this answer very much.

Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 09, 2019 01:10 PM (TyJCH)

266 Wouldn't you call the bank before you bought a camper, a new car, a race car and gave $15k to your friends?
Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 12:51 PM (cF8AT)

They're obviously dishonest dirtbags.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:02 PM (YqDXo)

FUCK you. PAY ME!!!

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:10 PM (Zz0t1)

267 "The bank is the one responsible for this mistake, its not my responsibility to make sure that the bank keeps proper accounting. Its not my job to make sure they don't make mistakes." So if you see someone drop their wallet it's OK to rifle through it and take their money because it's not your job to make sure they don't make a mistake. Yea, sleep well and GTFO with that bullshit.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:10 PM (hOwPo)

268 That's why I NEVER go into grocery stores!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 09, 2019 01:11 PM (xfb67)

269
If they screw up, their insurance is there to cover for their messups. Just like for the rest of us.
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So you could misappropriate someone else's car, because they mistakenly parked it in your drive way. You knew it wasn't your civic and took it anyway and wrecked it. When it got beat up its not a crime because they had car insurance?

So yes, the bank has a problem. It is going to have to make whole the loss of value to the vendors that relied on the transaction -because they didn't know any better. The Ricky Ricardo and Lucy however, knew what they were doing.

Posted by: Its not like the bank is off the hook at September 09, 2019 01:11 PM (EXUbB)

270 Bank of America once bounced 15 checks I had written. Apparently someone started writing checks on an old old account by accident. The bank had reused that account number when I opened an account. The bank honored all this other person's checks and none of mine. After a two-hour marathon phone call (where I had to consistently yell at them to get me a person who spoke English), the bank conceded their error, reversed the charges, wrote letters to each recipient of the bounced checks, and paid me $15 per check for their error (what they charged me for each check bounced).

Posted by: kathysaysso at September 09, 2019 01:11 PM (vkS2Z)

271 They were arrested for writing Bad Checks.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 01:11 PM (ViZFb)

272 The prosecutor would make that case, but the defense would say "we just did what we thought God told us to do." And hope for a jury that liked them more than they liked the bank.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 01:09 PM (Kpl3J)

Yep. And, sadly, it might well work.

But it's wrong, and it shouldn't. Banks, insurance companies, etc. may not be popular, but they should have the same protection under the law as anyone else.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:11 PM (YqDXo)

273 But the 'someone' ordered a pair of shoes.

You sent shoes...albeit the wrong ones.

OK lets say that you accidentally sent shoes to the wrong people. They wear the shoes.

Who's at fault here? Are you gonna arrest the people who wore the shoes? Or is it your fault for sending them to the wrong people?

Again: money is not a special substance. Its just a representative for bartering.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:12 PM (KZzsI)

274
Isn't the bank responsible for that? I mean, how is it illegal to spend money someone else puts in your account??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

(A) The bank was given legal custody of money and made a clerical error of which account to credit the money to, one easily corrected.

(B) The couple found money in their account and (1) knew it wasn't theirs and (2) converted it to their use.

(A) was an error by one who had legal custody. (B) was a felony conversion.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Support Your Sagging Self-Worth with Poses & Postures from The Outrage Outlet! at September 09, 2019 01:12 PM (hLRSq)

275 >>OK lets say that you accidentally sent shoes to the wrong people.

Again, not analagous.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 01:13 PM (ViZFb)

276 So yes, the bank has a problem. It is going to have to make whole the loss of value to the vendors that relied on the transaction -because they didn't know any better. The Ricky Ricardo and Lucy however, knew what they were doing.
Posted by: Its not like the bank is off the hook at September 09, 2019 01:11 PM (EXUbB)

Yep. The "Sgt. Schultz defense" is a non-starter.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:13 PM (YqDXo)

277 272 The prosecutor would make that case, but the defense would say "we just did what we thought God told us to do." And hope for a jury that liked them more than they liked the bank.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 01:09 PM (Kpl3J)

What church did they go to? Joel Osteen ?

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 09, 2019 01:13 PM (2DOZq)

278 I had a Kroger cashier short me $5 one time, and she actually asked me if I wanted the money, or just "give" it to the store.

I couldn't even.
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THIS IS A TRUE STORY.

I once went in to my bank. Waited in line for 15 minutes. The teller apologized and handed me a five dollar bill out of the cash drawer as compensation for my wait.

Posted by: I have stayed with US bank ever since at September 09, 2019 01:13 PM (UnTFD)

279 Lots of false equivalences here, its almost like people are deliberately misunderstanding this. Let's run them down

So if you see someone drop their wallet it's OK to rifle through it and take their money because it's not your job to make sure they don't make a mistake.

Stealing people's money is not the same as being handed money accidentally.

So you could misappropriate someone else's car, because they mistakenly parked it in your drive way.

Stealing a car vs someone giving you a car are two different things.

Really, is this so hard to grok??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:14 PM (KZzsI)

280 Who's at fault here? Are you gonna arrest the people who wore the shoes? Or is it your fault for sending them to the wrong people?

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Hypothetically, if a person orders shoes and is accidentally sent the wrong pair - a much more expensive pair - and that person knows it was a mistake, but wears them anyway, then yes that person has committed a crime and could theoretically be subject to arrest. However, it is unlikely such a crime would be prosecuted by the store, and it would likely not get the attention of governmental prosecutors that a bank crime gets. But it is still a crime.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:14 PM (sX1BW)

281 266 Wouldn't you call the bank before you bought a camper, a new car, a race car and gave $15k to your friends?
Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 12:51 PM (cF8AT)

They're obviously dishonest dirtbags.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:02 PM (YqDXo)

FUCK you. PAY ME!!!
Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:10 PM (Zz0t1)

"We DESERVE this!"

100 million late night TV commercials can't be wrong.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:15 PM (YqDXo)

282 Allow me to point out that the 3 top pieces of advice any defense lawyer
will give to ANY client are, "Shut up, Shut UP, SHUT UP!!!!"

Which is sorta funny now that they spent all the money and can't afford a lawyer.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #PurgeProgressivism at September 09, 2019 01:15 PM (HaL55)

283 So?

The bank is the one responsible for this mistake, its not my responsibility to make sure that the bank keeps proper accounting. Its not my job to make sure they don't make mistakes.

Its their job. Their responsibility. And in no way at any point should anyone be arrested for the bank making a mistake.

If they screw up, their insurance is there to cover for their messups. Just like for the rest of us.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:07 PM (KZzsI)

Honestly, I don't care about the logic behind any of it. I don't care about the legal principles or what does or doesn't happen in other similar cases.

That being said, this is similar to the marijuana argument. Those who live in places where it's still illegal, they'll give a million reasons why it shouldn't be illegal, including the fact that it's not illegal in other places.

So what.

It's illegal here. Which mean, if you have it, and you get caught with it, they can charge you with a crime.

If they do, all your arguments why they shouldn't, are moot.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 01:15 PM (cY3LT)

284
What church did they go to? Joel Osteen ?
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 09, 2019 01:13 PM

As someone who considers himself a Christian (flawed as I am!) he makes me shudder. Guy is a scam artist and anyone who gives that hair gelled shyster money is a fool.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:15 PM (hOwPo)

285 Stealing a car vs someone giving you a car are two different things.

Really, is this so hard to grok??

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It must be. The bank obviously did not gift these people the $.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:15 PM (sX1BW)

286 This is all covered in your paperwork when you open an account.

It's also the fucking law. Has been for prettymuchever.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 01:16 PM (ViZFb)

287 206 Does anyone else wonder what Trump and Putin really discussed in Helsinki?
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2019 12:58 PM (ZLI7S)

Probably something about how hot their respective squeezes are.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at September 09, 2019 01:16 PM (RD7QR)

288 Stealing a car vs someone giving you a car are two different things.

Really, is this so hard to grok??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:14 PM (KZzsI)

Well the bank didn't give them the money here.

Posted by: Someguy at September 09, 2019 01:16 PM (4i8PS)

289 Its their job. Their responsibility. And in no way at any point should anyone be arrested for the bank making a mistake.

If they screw up, their insurance is there to cover for their messups. Just like for the rest of us.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:07 PM (KZzsI)

Chris, I believe you have a great deal of financial acumen. Would you consider a position as Secretary of the Treasury in my incoming Administration?

Posted by: Bernie at September 09, 2019 01:16 PM (jEgzt)

290 (A) was an error by one who had legal custody. (B) was a felony conversion.

That is an interesting argument which I have no doubt the bank's lawyer would try to use, but the fact of the matter is, their mistake, their problem.

I have no problem with the people being required to give back the stuff they bought. Just like if you got free shoes by accident having to give them back is okay with me.

But arrested?? And charged with theft and accepting stolen goods???? SERIOUSLY? You people are defending that???

Are you kidding me?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:16 PM (KZzsI)

291 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:14 PM (KZzsI)

You're being obtuse. They took money that they knew wasn't theirs . That's stealing.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 09, 2019 01:16 PM (2DOZq)

292 Who's at fault here? Are you gonna arrest the people who wore the shoes? Or is it your fault for sending them to the wrong people?

Again: money is not a special substance. Its just a representative for bartering.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:12 PM (KZzsI)

I can't figure out why you're sticking up for this couple.

They could have saved themselves a lot of time, trouble and now money if they'd just reported the error.

Anyone who thinks the bank is not going to catch an error like this deserves what they get when they take advantage of it.

Yeah, we hate banks...but that money belonged to someone else. IT WASN'T THEIRS.

Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 01:17 PM (cF8AT)

293 That's why you talk to a lawyer BEFORE you talk to the cops.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 01:07 PM (Kpl3J)

Good rule of thumb: Never talk to cops, EVER, without a lawyer. Impressed upon me at an early age by members of law enforcement in my family.

Posted by: kathysaysso at September 09, 2019 01:17 PM (vkS2Z)

294 284

What church did they go to? Joel Osteen ?

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 09, 2019 01:13 PM

As someone who considers himself a Christian (flawed as I am!) he
makes me shudder. Guy is a scam artist and anyone who gives that hair
gelled shyster money is a fool.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:15 PM (hOwPo)
Then you should watch the series "The Righteous Gemstones". Stars John Goodman.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 09, 2019 01:17 PM (N39Ws)

295 Well the bank didn't give them the money here.

Who did? Did magical gnomes teleport it into their account? Was it wizards?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:17 PM (KZzsI)

296 In my nightly prayers, I asked God for $100,000. I woke up the next morning and my bank was $100,000 richer.

The Lord works in mysterious ways. Who was I to question?

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:17 PM (Zz0t1)

297 OK lets say that you accidentally sent shoes to the wrong people. They wear the shoes.

Sometimes I get the neighbor's mail misdelivered to me, including packages. I can't just rifle through it and keep what I like.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 09, 2019 01:17 PM (ppBhU)

298 Stealing people's money is not the same as being handed money accidentally.

So you could misappropriate someone else's car, because they mistakenly parked it in your drive way.

Stealing a car vs someone giving you a car are two different things.

Really, is this so hard to grok??
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:14 P

It's NOT YOUR MONEY and you're the one asking that question. Yea, GFY

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:17 PM (hOwPo)

299 So you could misappropriate someone else's car, because they mistakenly parked it in your drive way.

Stealing a car vs someone giving you a car are two different things.

Really, is this so hard to grok??
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Okay slow down.

Its stealing either way. You knew the car wasn't your civic. It was like a really nice new beamer. But but but it was in my driveway and the keys were in it???!!!! Its like the 100k was in your account. It ain't yours and you know it. And you took it anyway. STEALING. Don't be a stealy stealer. Its not good.

Posted by: I have stayed with US bank ever since at September 09, 2019 01:17 PM (KpOSn)

300 But arrested?? And charged with theft and accepting stolen goods???? SERIOUSLY? You people are defending that???

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Yes, because it was theft.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:18 PM (sX1BW)

301 287 206 Does anyone else wonder what Trump and Putin really discussed in Helsinki?
Posted by: JackStraw at September 09, 2019 12:58 PM (ZLI7S)

Probably something about how hot their respective squeezes are.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at September 09, 2019 01:16 PM (RD7QR)

Yet another reason, if any were needed, not to elect Mayor Buttplug President.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:18 PM (YqDXo)

302
Actually...... anything you receive in the mail unsolicited is yours to keep legally. That law was designed to squash the "opt out if you dont want this product otherwise its coming and you owe $49.99" type of marketing scams.

Spending money accidently deposited to your account is not eithical , nor is it legal.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 09, 2019 01:18 PM (8XRCm)

303 I can't figure out why you're sticking up for this couple.

I'm not.

I don't care about the couple in this, I care about the bank and the law here. What they did was wrong (he said again, with increasing annoyance). But they shouldn't have been arrested. The bank is responsible for what they did here, they're the ones who should pay for their mistake, not the people they handed cash to.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:18 PM (KZzsI)

304 >>Bank of America once bounced 15 checks I had written. Apparently someone started writing checks on an old old account by accident.

Yikes!
One time I had a bank penalize me for two bounced checks that were never deposited to my account. Someone deposited the checks to their account, the checks bounced, and the bank deducted the check amounts from *my account*. I went down to the bank in person with copies of the cancelled checks they had sent me w/their notice, etc. Had to raise a big stink and made sure they knew I was keeping copies, the name of the teller assisting me, etc.. It was a mess since they kept not getting that I never got the money in the first place - they needed to give me my money back and deduct if from the other guy who had deposited the checks.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 09, 2019 01:18 PM (bDqIh)

305 Sometimes I get the neighbor's mail misdelivered to me, including packages. I can't just rifle through it and keep what I like.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 09, 2019 01:17 PM

According to some, you can because, hey man it was their error! Not yours!

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:18 PM (hOwPo)

306 Stealing people's money is not the same as being handed money accidentally.

So you could misappropriate someone else's car, because they mistakenly parked it in your drive way.

Stealing a car vs someone giving you a car are two different things.

Really, is this so hard to grok??
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:14 PM (KZzsI)

I will repeat: A bank account is not a safety deposit box. Checking accounts and savings accounts are different from each other - they have different rules.

Just because the bank burps out a number, doesn't mean it must be treated like the Word of God.

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at September 09, 2019 01:18 PM (w+Ped)

307 then it's decided. Christopher Taylor will not be the Ace of Spades treasurer.

Posted by: x at September 09, 2019 01:18 PM (nFwvY)

308 Ha ha! Mark Halperin absolutely looks like a filthy pervert and would be a perfect match for Morning Joe.

Posted by: Fritz at September 09, 2019 01:19 PM (kLDv+)

309 290 Are you kidding me?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:16 PM (KZzsI)

It wasn't the bank's money to "give" in the first place.

Posted by: Allie at September 09, 2019 01:19 PM (sm6Pk)

310 What church did they go to? Joel Osteen ?

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The Saint Hillary Cathedral.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 09, 2019 01:19 PM (+y/Ru)

311 They *knew* that the money wasn't theirs, this wasn't a $100 error, this was a big one. Knowing that money wasn't their property they then used it.

I realize you do not like that answer.

Posted by: Mikey NTH

I do like the answer. It's plain and simple theft irregardless of your opinion of banks. Only a complete moron would believe that the mistake wouldn't be discovered. There is no free lunch...unless of course you happen to look down and someone dropped an Andrew

Posted by: Gardner the stache Minshew at September 09, 2019 01:19 PM (GF84D)

312 295 Well the bank didn't give them the money here.

Who did? Did magical gnomes teleport it into their account? Was it wizards?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:17 PM (KZzsI)

Having something show up at your house or in your account isn't the same as receiving a gift. Something being misplaced in a lot you own does not give you ownership of that property.

Posted by: Someguy at September 09, 2019 01:19 PM (4i8PS)

313 Anyone who thinks the bank is not going to catch an error like this deserves what they get when they take advantage of it.

Yeah, we hate banks...but that money belonged to someone else. IT WASN'T THEIRS.
Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 01:17 PM (cF8AT)

Right. These people are stupid dishonest dirtbags.

I stand corrected.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:19 PM (YqDXo)

314 then it's decided. Christopher Taylor will not be the Ace of Spades treasurer.

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And with that, let us close out this discussion.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:19 PM (sX1BW)

315 Spending money accidently deposited to your account is not eithical , nor is it legal.

What's the difference? Goods were transferred to you by accident in both cases. Why are you suddenly at fault legally for the one and not the other?

Ethically you're burdened to send those shoes back, too. They aren't yours.

You're as much "stealing" them if you keep them as you are the money.

I don't think people are thinking this through objectively and logically.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:20 PM (KZzsI)

316 I don't care about the couple in this, I care about the bank and the law here. What they did was wrong (he said again, with increasing annoyance). But they shouldn't have been arrested. The bank is responsible for what they did here, they're the ones who should pay for their mistake, not the people they handed cash to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:18 PM (KZzsI)
Fine. Which law?

Wait. Are you narrating your own comment?

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at September 09, 2019 01:20 PM (w+Ped)

317 The bank is responsible for what they did here, they're the ones who should pay for their mistake, not the people they handed cash to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:18 PM (KZzsI)

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The bank is NOT responsible for them spending money they knew very damn well was not theirs to spend.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 09, 2019 01:20 PM (8XRCm)

318 I had a Kroger cashier short me $5 one time, and she actually asked me if I wanted the money, or just "give" it to the store.

I couldn't even.

A Winn-Dickme cashier once charged me 25 cents to write a check for $10 over the tab so I could have some cash back. After giving her the appropriate amount of hell for charging me for that when no other business does, I told her that W-D just lost a very good customer.

I haven't been back in one of their stores in over 25 years. They will never get another penny from me.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #PurgeProgressivism at September 09, 2019 01:20 PM (HaL55)

319 If I drop my wallet, that's my fault.

If you find it, take out all the cash and throw the rest out, you're an asshole, but im not sure it's illegal or not.

If you find it, spend all the cash, run up all the credit cards, and take out several mortgages in my name, that's fraud and identity theft.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 09, 2019 01:20 PM (u2sYK)

320 This is all covered in your paperwork when you open an account.

It's also the fucking law. Has been for prettymuchever.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 01:16 PM (ViZFb)

Yup. It's the law.

A very very different argument might be had by asking the question, SHOULD it be the law?

I dunno... but it is.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 01:21 PM (cY3LT)

321 Even when you try to do the right thing, large stores don't want you to do so, it seems. I have tried to get a charge corrected (after the fact) by going to Customer Service and have been both treated like an imbecile for giving them more money or shooed away bc too much time to correct. I have even started seeing this mentality in smaller stores lately. You want to be honest, but you don't want to be ridiculed for doing so.

Posted by: Ever at September 09, 2019 01:21 PM (ZZDMQ)

322 then it's decided. Christopher Taylor will not be the Ace of Spades treasurer.

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And with that, let us close out this discussion.
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Good luck with that. He's like a mad dog in a meathouse when he gets his like this

Posted by: I have stayed with US bank ever since at September 09, 2019 01:21 PM (HkQpu)

323 A very very different argument might be had by asking the question, SHOULD it be the law?

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Yes, it should.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:22 PM (sX1BW)

324 But arrested?? And charged with theft and accepting stolen goods???? SERIOUSLY? You people are defending that???

Are you kidding me?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:16 PM (KZzsI)

It has been a common law crime for hundreds of years and no I am not kidding you.

It wasn't their property.
They knew it wasn't their property.
They used it.
And intended to deprive the true owner of the use of his property.

It is a common law crime, criminal conversion. It is also a common law tort. And you will find it covered by statutory law also.

Again, I realize you do not like the answer, but just because the bank made a mistake it doesn't mean that these people are off the hook for stealing what they knew wasn't theirs.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Support Your Sagging Self-Worth with Poses & Postures from The Outrage Outlet! at September 09, 2019 01:22 PM (hLRSq)

325 But, possession is 9/10 the law.

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:22 PM (Zz0t1)

326 then it's decided. Christopher Taylor will not be the Ace of Spades treasurer.

LOL.

The couple should have pled that, based on Monopoly ("Bank Error in Your Favor"), they thought that's how the system worked.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 09, 2019 01:22 PM (ppBhU)

327 If I crash my station wagon through the front of the liquor store, does that mean the PLCB owns my car now?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 09, 2019 01:22 PM (u2sYK)

328 Dear Amazon. Thanks for accidentally delivering my neighbors stuff to me, I am keeping it because it was your error. Dear neighbor. I am keeping your shit because it was their error. Signed Chris!

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:22 PM (hOwPo)

329 The bank is NOT responsible for them spending money they knew very damn well was not theirs to spend.

The bank is responsible for handing them cash just like the shoe company is for sending the wrong person shoes. Money in your account is yours, to be used, its not there for show.

Ethically its wrong to spend money you know isn't yours but they shouldn't be arrested and charged for what the bank screwed up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:22 PM (KZzsI)

330 Sometimes I get the neighbor's mail misdelivered to me, including packages. I can't just rifle through it and keep what I like.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 09, 2019 01:17 PM (ppBhU)

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You shouldn't as an ethical matter, and it's probably very technically illegal, but unless you signed for it I doubt anyone other than you and/or the person it's addressed to could care less. Once it's out of the truck they probably couldn't tell you a single thing about any specific package or address so long as it wasn't something unusually large or heavy or the like.

Don't, because that's what makes us civilized, but still.

Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 09, 2019 01:22 PM (TyJCH)

331 I can't just rifle through it and keep what I like.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 09, 2019 01:17 PM

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Opening mail not adressed to your domicile is a federal offense.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 09, 2019 01:23 PM (8XRCm)

332 >>Something being misplaced in a lot you own does not give you ownership of that property.

Unless you report it, and then file for ownership should it not be lawfully claimed.

Then, you have to wait for as long as your municipality/state allows to take ownership.

I can impound my neighbors rogue cattle, notify him and charge him grazing fees, per cow per day, until he retrieves them. Once that amount owed exceeds the value of the cattle, I can then go to the branding inspector and have him assign the rights to the cows to me if my neighbor refuses to pay the fees.

I can't just shoot his cow and grill it.

Posted by: garrett at September 09, 2019 01:23 PM (ViZFb)

333 Also, the flip-side is when the bank f***s over in THEIR favor, should you just allow it?

I once deposited $8000 into Savings, but my bank entered it as an $8000 WITHDRAWAL from Checking, and I immediately started getting overdraft notices and threats of immediate action.

Should I have just accepted it?

Posted by: Allie at September 09, 2019 01:23 PM (sm6Pk)

334 Expect a whole slew of never Trumpers to come out of the woodwork They believe the polls that Trump doesn't have a chance to win and they feel safe.Maybe they don't want to be put in the camps
Posted by: It's me donna at September 09, 2019 01:02 PM (O2RFr)

I think it's the opposite. They are frustrated that Trump has the unyielding support of 90% of Republican voters--if not the Party leadership.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 09, 2019 01:23 PM (NFEMn)

335 I've given money back to the cashier at the grocery store every time they've given me more money in change than was correct.

Posted by: Archer at September 09, 2019 01:23 PM (gmo/4)

336 The Lord works in mysterious ways. Who was I to question?

"We'll throw the money up into the air and what God wants, He can keep."

- just the punchline...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #PurgeProgressivism at September 09, 2019 01:23 PM (HaL55)

337 52 >>Halperin was the guy who was jacking off under his desk while a woman sat across from him.

Was that wrong?
Posted by: JackStraw

That she didn't lend a hand, yes. Don't just sit there FFS, run screaming or do a guy a solid, them's your choices. That's my read, having never been in the situation.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 09, 2019 01:23 PM (kfcYC)

338
OK lets say that you accidentally sent shoes to the wrong people. They wear the shoes.

You can't judge a man until you steal his shoes and walk a mile in them.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 09, 2019 01:24 PM (aKsyK)

339 Isn't the bank responsible for that? I mean, how is it illegal to spend money someone else puts in your account??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Sophistry.

The bank's mistake isn't a license, moral or otherwise, to spend the money. The person is aware the money isn't theirs. So spending it is a crime. Maybe the punishment should not be the same as for outright theft, but it's still a crime.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at September 09, 2019 01:24 PM (H8QX8)

340 325 But, possession is 9/10 the law.
Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:22 PM (Zz0t1)

The bank should foreclose on their house. By "mistake." And since possession is nine-tenths of the law ... /kidding

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:24 PM (YqDXo)

341
Opening mail not adressed to your domicile is a federal offense.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 09, 2019 01:23 PM (8XRCm)

Interestingly enough, so is blowing up a mailbox. Especially if there's mail in it.

I might've learned this during some misspent time in my youth.

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:24 PM (Zz0t1)

342 If I didn't earn it or acquire it through legal means, then the money is not mine. I return it. Period.

Personal responsibility and basic morality seem to be a lost concepts anymore.

Posted by: Sooner at September 09, 2019 01:24 PM (Fs5vw)

343 Opening mail not adressed to your domicile is a federal offense.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 09, 2019 01:23 PM (8XRCm)

that's why if you do it, always be sure to throw it away in someone else's trash can.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 01:24 PM (Kpl3J)

344 well, it *becomes* theirs. call it the Office Space rule.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 09, 2019 01:24 PM (Qb6F8)

345 325 But, possession is 9/10 the law.

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:22 PM (Zz0t1)

Possession is good against the whole world but the true owner.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Support Your Sagging Self-Worth with Poses & Postures from The Outrage Outlet! at September 09, 2019 01:24 PM (hLRSq)

346 Oh wait, Don LeMon is being accused of sexual assault at this very moment, and has a witness backing the charges up, and CNN is sticking behind him.

It doesn't count. Everyone knows Teh Gheys are catty bitches.

Posted by: Iblis at September 09, 2019 01:24 PM (9221z)

347 What these people did was basically switch price tags at the store and demand the store honor the tagged price.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 09, 2019 01:25 PM (2DOZq)

348 335 I've given money back to the cashier at the grocery store every time they've given me more money in change than was correct.
Posted by: Archer at September 09, 2019 01:23 PM (gmo/4)

Me too.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:25 PM (YqDXo)

349 The bank is responsible for handing them cash just like the shoe company is for sending the wrong person shoes. Money in your account is yours, to be used, its not there for show.

Ethically its wrong to spend money you know isn't yours but they shouldn't be arrested and charged for what the bank screwed up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:22 PM (KZzsI)

They were not arrested for a bank error, they were arrested for spending other people's money.

To make the amounts more relevant, let us say you own a small store which regularly imports a few thousand $ worth of shoes. If your supplier accidentally sends 100k worth, you do not own that $100k of shoes.

Posted by: Someguy at September 09, 2019 01:25 PM (4i8PS)

350 >>But, possession is 9/10 the law.

According to what the Ladies tell the Paolo, that last 1/10 is a motherfucker.

Posted by: Paolo at September 09, 2019 01:25 PM (ViZFb)

351 The bank should foreclose on their house. By "mistake." And since possession is nine-tenths of the law ... /kidding
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:24 PM (YqDXo)

I'm largely just pointing out the hypocrisy of the law in some instances, but your point is valid.

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:25 PM (Zz0t1)

352 Good luck with that. He's like a mad dog in a meathouse when he gets his like this

The hilarious thing is that 9 times out of 10 people later agree with what I said, once they've had time to think about it or disassociate the topic from the discussion.

Too often people will jump to a conclusion and stick with it, or what has always been.

You can tell when this is happening when people post things like "your wrong no matter what you think" and "it doesn't matter what you say" without being able to justify or defend it rationally or with any argument. its like someone stamping their foot and assuming that ends the discussion.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:25 PM (KZzsI)

353 Ethically its wrong to spend money you know isn't yours but they shouldn't be arrested and charged for what the bank screwed up.

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Your values should not be my law.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:25 PM (sX1BW)

354 The bank is responsible for what they did here, they're the ones who should pay for their mistake, not the people they handed cash to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Is that responsibility 2 way? Is the bank the only one with some responsibility here. Read your customer agreement with whatever financial institution you use most people don't. What if the bank mistakenly took $1,000 out of your account and you didn't catch it in a timely fashion. Is that your fault? It's stinking theft we real about all the crap from the progressive side freebies give me this give me that this isn't that much different so maybe take a moment to think about that I make my way through my own life on what I earn and not with someone gives me yeah banks are pieces of crap I spent a career dealing with them I have no love lost for them but this isn't that

Posted by: Gardner the stache Minshew at September 09, 2019 01:25 PM (GF84D)

355 Goods were transferred to you by accident in both cases.
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You may insult people for not thinking it through after you diagram the sentence you wrote above.

. . .

The "goods" were not "transferred" to you. They wound up in your possession. Like somebody else's car in your driveway. You do not own it.

Posted by: I have stayed with US bank ever since at September 09, 2019 01:25 PM (HkQpu)

356 First "bump stock" ban arrest. In TX. I crack myself up, but actually bringing a case would seem to increase odds the courts will hear cases against this regulation, which was most likely enacted improperly.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 09, 2019 01:26 PM (QDnY+)

357
Interesting observation (at least to me) this morning while listening to Rush, all of his first hour ad slots went empty today.

All of them but one. What Rush does is to play political comedy bits about Obama or the Clintons, created primarily by a comedy guy from that era. A single empty slot, sure, but all of them?

This is not by accident. The national ad agencies, I believe there are 5 that control over 90% of all corporate spending, completely ignore Rush. Ever hear Chevy, or Proctor and Gamble, or any other advertiser that is on the government news networks? There are only so many My Pillow advertisers, and even Mike passed on Rush today.

Rush says 27 million individual people tune in sometime during a week, the highest in all of radio, and has his highest ratings in his 30 year history.

I find this an important point that means little on it's own, but is a primary method to take out conservative broadcasters, that is, deny them ad revenue, is very scary indeed to an open society.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 09, 2019 01:26 PM (sy5kK)

358
You can't judge a man until you steal his shoes and walk a mile in them.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 09, 2019 01:24 PM (aKsyK)

People didn't like who I was, so I bought a new pair of shoes and walked like someone else.

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:26 PM (Zz0t1)

359 Speaking of, has anyone else received other peoples' Amazon packages and contacted Amazon about it?

I've had it happen a half dozen times or so. Each time they ask if I can take it to the address and, unless it's a next door neighbor (in which case I didn't call because next door) I'll laugh and say no, but I'll happily leave it on the porch for UPS to come pick up and re-deliver.

They never will. Some fairly expensive ($100-$150) stuff, too. They just send out another order to the original buyer.

Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 09, 2019 01:26 PM (TyJCH)

360 Ethically its wrong to spend money you know isn't yours but they shouldn't be arrested and charged for what the bank screwed up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:22 PM (KZzsI)

They weren't arrested for the bank screw up. They were arrested for spending money that wasn't theirs.

Posted by: Tami at September 09, 2019 01:27 PM (cF8AT)

361 The hilarious thing is that 9 times out of 10 people later agree with what I said, once they've had time to think about it or disassociate the topic from the discussion.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:25 PM (KZzsI)

9 out of 10.
ah-MAZE-in!
Sativa is one hell of drug.

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at September 09, 2019 01:27 PM (w+Ped)

362 The bank is responsible for handing them cash just like the shoe company is for sending the wrong person shoes. Money in your account is yours, to be used, its not there for show.

Ethically its wrong to spend money you know isn't yours but they shouldn't be arrested and charged for what the bank screwed up.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:22 PM (KZzsI)

Here's another problem with your argument, and once I'm done with saying this, I'm done with this discussion.

"The bank is responsible..."

Who is "the bank?"

If you don't know, you damn well should. In THIS case, "the bank" is two different things: The institution, AND the employee who made the mistake.

Who do you think is going to pay for that magical mistake that resulted in a random couple ending up with a hundred grand of extra cash in their possession?

The institution?

Think again.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 01:27 PM (cY3LT)

363 SQ, So does the bump stock ban apply to those who already had them? Too lazy to look. Figured the morons would have the dope on that.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:27 PM (hOwPo)

364 The hilarious thing is that 9 times out of 10 people later agree with what I said, once they've had time to think about it or disassociate the topic from the discussion.

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I think with regards to this argument, its going to be that 1 time out of 10.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:28 PM (sX1BW)

365 Opening mail not adressed to your domicile is a federal offense.

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Just like marijuana possession by all the gun owners in Colorado.

Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 09, 2019 01:28 PM (TyJCH)

366 358 People didn't like who I was, so I bought a new pair of shoes and walked like someone else.
Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:26 PM (Zz0t1)

Some jerkasses would call that delusions and mental illness.

Posted by: Allie at September 09, 2019 01:28 PM (sm6Pk)

367 They weren't arrested for the bank making a mistake. They were arrested for spending money that wasn't their's.
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For spending money that they knew was not their money. It's a specific intent crime, that's why they screwed themselves when they admitted to the cops that they knew it wasn't their money.

It would be the same if UPS delivered an expensive computer to your front porch by mistake. You look at the label and realize it was supposed to be delivered to your neighbor's house, but you could use a nice new computer so you just keep it. You could be prosecuted for the theft if your neighbor finds out -- even though the computer was delivered to your house, and the mistake wasn't yours. The prosecutor would have to prove that you were able to read the label and see that the computer did not belong to you. So if the cops show up on your doorstep, you could say that the label was torn or illegible or whatever, and you couldn't read it, and you thought that the package was a gift to you from someone.

Posted by: LRU at September 09, 2019 01:29 PM (k4dH2)

368 Your values should not be my law.

I concur. What you are ethically bound to do, shouldn't be necessarily legally enforced.

To make the amounts more relevant, let us say you own a small store which regularly imports a few thousand $ worth of shoes. If your supplier accidentally sends 100k worth, you do not own that $100k of shoes.

If the bank gives me $2 extra and I spend it then its okay? Or would I get busted then, too? Would it be "theft" then too as people are claiming so strenuously here?

Either its theft or its not. The amount is irrelevant. Either the bank is responsible for its error or it is not. The amount is irrelevant. Its either a big mistake or a small one, it doesn't suddenly become illegal at some point on a ledger.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:29 PM (KZzsI)

369 SQ, So does the bump stock ban apply to those who already had them? Too lazy to look. Figured the morons would have the dope on that.
Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:27 PM (hOwPo)

I believe it's only producing and selling new ones. Existing owners are not required to return or destroy existing ones.

Likely, just don't use them for mass shootings of humans and you're fine.

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:29 PM (Zz0t1)

370 They never will. Some fairly expensive ($100-$150) stuff, too. They just send out another order to the original buyer.
Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 09, 2019 01:26 PM (TyJCH)

A few years back we moved, and occasionally packages of mine would be shipped to the old address and disappear - Amazon replaced them. Later I found out from a mutual friend that the girl who moved into my old address would just take them and never say a word, she acted like they were just free presents to her.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 01:29 PM (Kpl3J)

371 The hilarious thing is that 9 times out of 10 people later agree with what I said, once they've had time to think about it or disassociate the topic from the discussion.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:25 PM

Sure they do. Then 9 out of 10 people are idiots.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:29 PM (hOwPo)

372 If you don't know, you damn well should. In THIS case, "the bank" is two different things: The institution, AND the employee who made the mistake.

Who do you think is going to pay for that magical mistake that resulted in a random couple ending up with a hundred grand of extra cash in their possession?

The institution?

Think again.
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They're both insured.

So, its really all of us.

Which is why Ricky and Lucy should get hammered.

Thanks for playing everybody. I'm sure In time we'll all come to agree with Chris T.

Posted by: I have stayed with US bank ever since at September 09, 2019 01:29 PM (/cUA2)

373 I got an Amazon order that wasn't mine and they said, keep it. Then they screwed up my real order and I got that for free.

That's how I became the proud owner of an led reading lamp and a waterproof cover for a king size mattress. Musta been someone that likes reading in the bad, but also peeing in it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 09, 2019 01:29 PM (xfb67)

374 Personal responsibility and basic morality seem to be a lost concepts anymore.

You can lump Respect in with that, too. Kids aren't taught to have respect for anything or anyone except themselves and their grossly oversized egos.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #PurgeProgressivism at September 09, 2019 01:30 PM (HaL55)

375
Interesting observation (at least to me) this morning while listening to Rush, all of his first hour ad slots went empty today.

We had local advertisers in my market.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 09, 2019 01:30 PM (aKsyK)

376 Some jerkasses would call that delusions and mental illness.
Posted by: Allie at September 09, 2019 01:28 PM (sm6Pk)

Or, they would recognize it as a lyric from a Van Hagar song.....

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:30 PM (Zz0t1)

377 A few years back we moved, and occasionally packages of mine would be shipped to the old address and disappear - Amazon replaced them. Later I found out from a mutual friend that the girl who moved into my old address would just take them and never say a word, she acted like they were just free presents to her.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 09, 2019 01:29 PM (Kpl3J)

Another dishonest dirtbag identified.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:31 PM (YqDXo)

378 If the bank gives me $2 extra and I spend it then its okay? Or would I get busted then, too? Would it be "theft" then too as people are claiming so strenuously here?

Either its theft or its not. The amount is irrelevant. Either the bank is responsible for its error or it is not. The amount is irrelevant. Its either a big mistake or a small one, it doesn't suddenly become illegal at some point on a ledger.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:29 PM (KZzsI)

If you knew, then it would be theft. As has been made clear well before, spending in error would not be criminal.

Also to help you understand the nature of property, when you get paid by your employer, is it the bank giving you money or the employer giving you money?

Much like other property, possession is not ownership.

Posted by: Someguy at September 09, 2019 01:31 PM (4i8PS)

379 Putin party loses third of seats in election bloodbath...

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Trump curse.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 09, 2019 01:31 PM (+y/Ru)

380 You can tell when this is happening when people post things like "your wrong no matter what you think" and "it doesn't matter what you say" without being able to justify or defend it rationally or with any argument. its like someone stamping their foot and assuming that ends the discussion.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:25 PM (KZzsI)

Dude, three different lawyers have jumped in to tell you this is a common law tort and has been for hundreds of years.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at September 09, 2019 01:31 PM (RD7QR)

381 I thought bump stocks were dumbassedly reclassified as Class III items and are illegal to own without the proper machine gun BS in your possession?

Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 09, 2019 01:31 PM (TyJCH)

382 Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:29 PM

Thanks. That's what thought. Was wondering about it. I know a few folks who ordered bump stocks after the LV shooting and was curious about that.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:31 PM (hOwPo)

383 Either its theft or its not. The amount is irrelevant. Either the bank is responsible for its error or it is not. The amount is irrelevant.

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Yes it is.

Thefit IS theft. On that you are right.

But the amount LEGALLY does matter. $2 is technically a misdemeanor.

$100g is way way way WAAAAAAY past Felony.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 09, 2019 01:32 PM (8XRCm)

384 But, possession is 9/10 the law.
Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:22 PM (Zz0t1)

The bank should foreclose on their house. By "mistake." And since possession is nine-tenths of the law ... /kidding
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:24 PM (YqDXo)

Since we're off the rails already, speaking of "possession," here's a little scenario for people to ponder...

Suppose you find yourself in a house or car, and somehow the cops show up. And in this house or car, something illegal happens to show up as well.

Say it's a gun. Or drugs. Nobody claims them, nobody is actually holding them, they're just there. In the car/house.

Who gets charged with possession?

The answer is.....

The person or persons who already have a criminal record. Whether they are the legal possessors of the house/car involved or not.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 01:33 PM (cY3LT)

385 If the bank gives me $2 extra and I spend it then its okay? Or would I get busted then, too? Would it be "theft" then too as people are claiming so strenuously here?

The amount is irrelevant.
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Sorry the amount is relevant. An extra 100k is really hard to say we thought it was ours. Like its hard for you to say oh I thought that brand new beamer was my civic when I hopped in this morning and drove off to Miami beach.

Its like that episode of Happy Days were fonzi couldn't make his mouth say "I was wrong"

Posted by: I have stayed with US bank ever since at September 09, 2019 01:33 PM (HkQpu)

386 MUTANT COWS IN SIDEBAR!

Now we know the origin of meatless burgers. Broccoli genes introduced into cattle.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at September 09, 2019 01:33 PM (e1mEI)

387 Interesting observation (at least to me) this morning while listening to Rush, all of his first hour ad slots went empty today.

All of them but one. What Rush does is to play political comedy bits about Obama or the Clintons, created primarily by a comedy guy from that era. A single empty slot, sure, but all of them?

This is not by accident. The national ad agencies, I believe there are 5 that control over 90% of all corporate spending, completely ignore Rush. Ever hear Chevy, or Proctor and Gamble, or any other advertiser that is on the government news networks? There are only so many My Pillow advertisers, and even Mike passed on Rush today.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 09, 2019 01:26 PM (sy5kK)

I haven't listened to Rush online in a long time, but the last time I did there were no online commercials during the local/national breaks, and that's when he played the Shanklin stuff.

The only commercials I ever recall streaming online were his in-show endorsements, which everyone hears.

Maybe the streaming situation changed since I last listened, though.

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at September 09, 2019 01:33 PM (w+Ped)

388 Sorry, Chris, you seem to be on your own in this matter. Just some final thoughts.

1. BurtTC asks, should this be the law? Yes, it should.

2. Should you always be arrested for spending $ accidentally deposited in your bank account? No, of course not. It depends on the amount and if you knew about it, etc. But this is pretty much a clear cut case.

3. Should the bank have more responsibility? I don't know if they are responsible for the bad check writing or not. If not, an argument can be made that they should. But there is also an argument that people should not be responsible for other people's crimes. But like CC fraud, I'm sure this is covered.

4. A gift is money (or goods) freely handed over with no expectation of any sort of return. This was obviously not a gift.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:33 PM (sX1BW)

389 Putin party loses third of seats in election bloodbath...

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Trump curse.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 09, 2019 01:31 PM (+y/Ru)

It involves Putin. That won't be the only bloodbath.....

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:34 PM (Zz0t1)

390 Yep. A stock is a machine gun now:

On December 18, 2018, Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker announced that the Department of Justice has amended the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), clarifying that bump stocks fall within the definition of "machinegun" under federal law,...

Current possessors of bump-stock-type devices must divest themselves of possession as of the effective date of the final rule (March 26, 2019).

One option is to destroy the device...

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/
bump-stocks

Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 09, 2019 01:34 PM (TyJCH)

391 Who gets charged with possession?

The answer is.....

The person or persons who already have a criminal record. Whether they are the legal possessors of the house/car involved or not.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 01:33 PM (cY3LT)

Interesting application of the Matthew principle: "to he who has, shall it be given."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:35 PM (YqDXo)

392 I got an Amazon order that wasn't mine and they said, keep it. Then they screwed up my real order and I got that for free.

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I once got an Amazon package (containing the book The DaVinci Code) that was supposed to be delivered to a woman at the American Embassy in Moscow.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 09, 2019 01:35 PM (+y/Ru)

393 Gee. When I get my neighbors Amazon package it never occurred to me to keep it because it was Amazons eff up.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:35 PM (hOwPo)

394 I find this an important point that means little on it's own, but is a
primary method to take out conservative broadcasters, that is, deny them
ad revenue, is very scary indeed to an open society.

I find it curious in the extreme that an American company, founded in America, licensed by America (albeit locally, that government still abides by the Constitution) and becoming wealthy due to other Americans...

...will not abide by the freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution. In this case, the First and Fourth Amendments.

And I still haven't found that part in the Constitution that says, "...except at work."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #PurgeProgressivism at September 09, 2019 01:35 PM (HaL55)

395 Either its theft or its not. The amount is irrelevant. Either the bank is responsible for its error or it is not. The amount is irrelevant. Its either a big mistake or a small one, it doesn't suddenly become illegal at some point on a ledger.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 09, 2019 01:29 PM (KZzsI)

Theft requires willful intent. An extra hundred bucks or so in an account whose balance of nominally $3000 bobs up and down like a yoyo as deposits are recorded and checks clear? Nobody will try to claim willful intent. A hundred G's in that same account, that has never before broken the ten grand barrier? Easy as pie to prove willful intent.

And even in the hundred-buck case, you are required to make good the shortfall.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 09, 2019 01:35 PM (jEgzt)

396 4. A gift is money (or goods) freely handed over with no expectation of any sort of return. This was obviously not a gift.
Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:33 PM (sX1BW)

Now do the Clinton Foundation.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:36 PM (YqDXo)

397 If you don't know, you damn well should. In THIS case, "the bank" is two different things: The institution, AND the employee who made the mistake.

Who do you think is going to pay for that magical mistake that resulted in a random couple ending up with a hundred grand of extra cash in their possession?

The institution?

Think again.
======
They're both insured.

So, its really all of us.

Which is why Ricky and Lucy should get hammered.

Thanks for playing everybody. I'm sure In time we'll all come to agree with Chris T.
Posted by: I have stayed with US bank ever since at September 09, 2019 01:29 PM (/cUA2)

Right, it might not be actual money involved, but I guarantee the employee who made the mistake is going to pay, one way or another.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 01:36 PM (cY3LT)

398 I thought bump stocks were dumbassedly reclassified as Class III items and are illegal to own without the proper machine gun BS in your possession?
Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 09, 2019 01:31 PM (TyJCH)

This could be possible as well, but didn't think it was retroactive to all existing stocks existing in society.

Seems more research is required.

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:36 PM (Zz0t1)

399 "once got an Amazon package (containing the book The DaVinci Code) that was supposed to be delivered to a woman at the American Embassy in Moscow. "

well, there is the problem with our relations with the Kremlin, our State Department hires retards .

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 09, 2019 01:36 PM (Qb6F8)

400 4. A gift is money (or goods) freely handed over with no expectation of any sort of return. This was obviously not a gift.
Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:33 PM (sX1BW)

Now do the Clinton Foundation.

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There is a missing "R" in that one.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:37 PM (sX1BW)

401 "once got an Amazon package (containing the book The DaVinci Code) that was supposed to be delivered to a woman at the American Embassy in Moscow. "

It was addressed to Janelle Comey.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:37 PM (hOwPo)

402 This could be possible as well, but didn't think it was retroactive to all existing stocks existing in society.

Seems more research is required.

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ATF link above. They have to be destroyed without the proper papers, comrade.

Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 09, 2019 01:37 PM (TyJCH)

403 Got a letter from the IRS once that said I owed them $8.50. Got a letter two days after more or less pleading me not to send it in because the cost of processing the check and administrative time would far exceed the $8.50.

I sent the check.

Posted by: Sooner at September 09, 2019 01:38 PM (Fs5vw)

404 On December 18, 2018, Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker announced that the Department of Justice has amended the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), clarifying that bump stocks fall within the definition of "machinegun" under federal law,...

Current possessors of bump-stock-type devices must divest themselves of possession as of the effective date of the final rule (March 26, 2019).

One option is to destroy the device...

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/
bump-stocks
Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 09, 2019 01:34 PM (TyJCH)

Research done.

You and your friends are screwed if you own them.

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:38 PM (Zz0t1)

405 393 Gee. When I get my neighbors Amazon package it never occurred to me to keep it because it was Amazons eff up.
Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:35 PM (hOwPo)

Yep. Same here.

Suppose it weren't Amazon, but some small retailer from whom your neighbor had prepaid for his order.

I think that that makes the situation pretty clear. Keeping the order would clearly be cheating either the retailer or your neighbor, depending on who eats the loss.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:38 PM (YqDXo)

406 Just imagine all the inside jobs of bank transfer 'errors' if there were no criminal consequences if the law were as CT believes there should be.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 09, 2019 01:39 PM (2DOZq)

407 Now do the Clinton Foundation.

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There is a missing "R" in that one.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:37 PM (sX1BW)

Clinton FRoundation?

Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:39 PM (Zz0t1)

408 Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:38 PM

Wow. Interesting. I never did get one but it is interesting that they banned even current owners of them.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:40 PM (hOwPo)

409 well, there is the problem with our relations with the Kremlin, our State Department hires retards .
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 09, 2019 01:36 PM (Qb6F

LOL! That was exactly my reaction.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:40 PM (YqDXo)

410 I know this isn't the book thread but these pants!

https://bit.ly/2lHbddk

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 09, 2019 01:40 PM (+y/Ru)

411 407 Now do the Clinton Foundation.

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There is a missing "R" in that one.

Posted by: SH at September 09, 2019 01:37 PM (sX1BW)

Clinton FRoundation?
Posted by: Sponge at September 09, 2019 01:39 PM (Zz0t1)

No, no. It's the CRinton Foundation. That's how the Chinese got all of our secrets.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:41 PM (YqDXo)

412 I got an Amazon order that wasn't mine and they said, keep it. Then they screwed up my real order and I got that for free.

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I once got an Amazon package (containing the book The DaVinci Code) that was supposed to be delivered to a woman at the American Embassy in Moscow.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 09, 2019 01:35 PM (+y/Ru)

I got an Amazon package addressed to my neighbor once... didn't look at the addressee, just opened it (hell, I'm always ordering stuff and forgetting).

It was adult diapers.

I carefully reapplied the tape, and discreetly walked it over to their porch.

Whoopsie!

Posted by: BurtTC at September 09, 2019 01:41 PM (cY3LT)

413 No, no. It's the CRinton Foundation. That's how the Chinese got all of our secrets.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:41 PM

Ancient Chinese secret?

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:41 PM (hOwPo)

414 Situational ethics is what the progtards practice. You either operate with a knowledge of what is right and wrong or you rationalize giving into temptation. As I said before, read your stinking customer agreement with your bank. I will almost guarantee that type of situation is covered.

Posted by: Gardner the stache Minshew at September 09, 2019 01:42 PM (GF84D)

415 Didn't see the NOOD.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 09, 2019 01:44 PM (hOwPo)

416 A couple of weeks ago I was expecting a delivery from Amazon of a small item I'd ordered. Had an e-mail from Amazon saying the item would delivered that day, so I was looking for it. UPS guy rings the bell and leaves the package on the porch. He's always back on the truck before I get to the front door. I open the door, see the Amazon "smile" package, wonder why Amazon used such a big box for my little item, and take it inside and open it. Never read the label, because why would I? Once I had the box open, I saw that the contents were some type of luggage, and not my item. I then looked at the label, and saw that it was addressed to my neighbor next door. I taped the box closed and walked it over and left it on their porch.

I didn't have any package tape, so I had to use what I had, which was Scotch tape. I wondered if the neighbors thought I had opened the box to see if it contained anything worth stealing before I brought it over to them. lol

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 09, 2019 01:45 PM (k4dH2)

417 There was a case on Wall Street of some back-office guy (sorry, I don't remember the details at all) who had fat-fingered typed in an extra "0" on a large trade between hefty financial institutions involving millions of dollars. IIRC, the (former) employee's employer might have ended up eating that one because the recipient had then participated in other transactions and evidently hadn't noticed the error.

So, if my (increasingly dodgy) recollection is correct, that case is like that above of the account with ca. $3000 in it, with a $100 bump not being noticed in good time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 09, 2019 01:46 PM (YqDXo)

418 "Interesting observation (at least to me) this morning while listening to Rush, all of his first hour ad slots went empty today."

Can't say anything about today, but let's not forget that folks pushed advertisers to boycott Rush in the past. A quick stroll down Memory Lane shows that, back in 2012, the company Carbonite decided to put on some cleats and go tapdancing on its own junk by pulling its advertising from Rush over the Sandra Fluke controversy.

Rush is still here, and Carbonite lost a LOT of goodwill with their customers.

Another 'victim' of boycotting was Chick-Fil-A. You got a bunch of Cancel Culture crooks publicly advertising the boycott of the company, because its owners actually have faith. And they ended up driving normal folks to go "Eff that!", find their nearest restaurant... and wait in extended lines to support a company they've never been to, simply to fight back against the bullies.

Posted by: Another Anon at September 09, 2019 02:13 PM (hkz6h)

419 Of course CNN is sticking behind Don Lemon.

Being in front of him is just asking to be assaulted.

Posted by: aelfheld at September 09, 2019 03:07 PM (IxDhF)

420 PDT has a lock on the adultery vote
Sanford doesn't have a chance

Posted by: Kurt at September 09, 2019 04:29 PM (Ip6v0)

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