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Wow: Rafia Farook, Mother of Terrorist Killer Syed Farook, Is Member of Hardline Islamic Society
I was angered by her lawyers' press conference. One could make two different defenses in the wake of her son's crimes:
1. This is a terrible slaughter, and I hope my son and daughter-in-law had nothing to do with it. I, am, however, completely innocent, in thought and deed. Or: 2. You have to understand the grievances of the Muslim community before judging this action. I felt the lawyers' performance was a lot closer to option 2 than one -- yet another instance of Islamic spokesmen lecturing the rest of America what American needs to do to accommodate Islamic habits, on the heels of a slaughter perpetrated by Muslims. I don't want or need Muslims to be put through the ordeal of Denouncement Theater, in which people demand they condemn actions they had nothing to do with. On the other hand, I am tired of terrorist slaughters being used as PR opportunities on behalf of more radical interpretations of Islam, too. And this cycle of slaughter followed by bitter attacks by Islamic spokesmen on the country being attacked by Islam is unseemly, and we would not put up with this shit were it to come from anyone else. If -- if; we have no evidence either part of this hypothetical is true -- the so-called Planned Parenthood shooter was confirmed to be attempting to terrorize PP into shutting its doors, and then pro-life Christians went on TV to make demands upon the rest of America to quell this terrorist urge -- then I imagine we'd see quite an angry reaction from the dominant (progressive, coastal, urban) caste in this country than we do in the case of similar behavior from Islamic spokesmen. Anyway, given the lawyers' performance, I found myself wondering: Why not simply declare innocence? Why, instead of declaring the mother's innocence, make this argument that maybe America just needs to understand the context of the actions Syed took? Well, Enter Facts. Rafia Farook may well be innocent of any deed, but her active participation in a hardline group seems worth looking into.Rafia Farook, the mother of San Bernardino terrorist Syed Rizwan Farook, is an active member of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), a Muslim organization that promotes the establishment of a caliphate and has ties to a radical Pakistani political group called Jamaat-e-Islami. Farook’s affiliation with ICNA was revealed on Friday when MSNBC and other new outlets scoured the Farooks’ apartment in Redlands, Cal. An MSNBC reporter found a certificate of appreciation presented to Safia Farook last summer by ICNA's sisters' wing.The Daily Caller notes that the ICNA is not the subject of any federal investigations. But the group is a hardline one, and members associated with it have been charged with terrorism. Also hit the first link (at Hot Air) for another link, which reports that Loretta Lynch agrees (probably reluctantly) that the FBI should be looking at the mother. It's important to note that a mere belief is not the same as an action or a crime -- our entire American civilization is built on the premise that one is free to think, argue, and believe (and worship) as one likes, and that this cannot be criminalized. Given that the left seems very hot to criminalize the things we think and believe, the right has done a lot of vigorous arguing for the obviously-true proposition that thoughts cannot be criminal lately. So I don't want to suggest that Rafia Farook committed a "mindcrime" here. However, we are well past the point at which we can continue ignoring the obvious role that hardline Islamic Supremacist ideology plays in terrorism. We need to take steps to stop this -- and that includes, as the most minimal of minima, asking would-be immigrants what they believe, ideologically and religiously, rather than taking the position that it's "unfair" to ask them that. No, it would be unfair to impose consequences on an American for what he believes or thinks. It is not, however, to ask a non-American what he thinks or believes. They do not have the right to be here, as an American does; it does not "go against our values," as the Endless Drone of Obama would have it, to deny the privilege of visiting, or settling in, America, to those whose values are not only incompatible with American civilization, but any kind of real civilization at all. We cannot punish American citizens simply for believing in an evil and violent ideology in which all individuality and freedom is stamped out in favor of the dictates of an alien god and council of ugly-minded clerics. We can, however, stop importing their reinforcements from foreign lands. FBI Press Conference on Now: Livestream link. The terrorist couple had nineteen pipe bombs. As you may have heard, they planned follow-up attacks to this one. And if you remember, one of the places the cops went to after the shooting (before the terrorists were killed) was a local mall. (That's not part of the press conference, just mentioning this.) Who Are the ICNA? A backgrounder from the Center for Security Policy.
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CAIR warns against backlash from next Friday's terrorist attack.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at December 07, 2015 02:54 PM (evdj2)
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1st
Posted by: Obamallfly of Knockwurst Vt at December 07, 2015 02:54 PM (qSIlh)
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rats
Posted by: Obamallfly of Knockwurst Vt at December 07, 2015 02:54 PM (qSIlh)
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and by the way, I had a beard for years and people occasionally made fun of it and I never killed anyone. I guess I was brought up wrong.
Posted by: Obamallfly of Knockwurst Vt at December 07, 2015 02:56 PM (qSIlh)
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The Dad said Mom was very religious.
Very religious = follow the words of the Koran = unhappy in America.
Very religious = follow the words of the Koran = unhappy in America.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 02:57 PM (UBBWX)
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Look there is NO such thing as a moderate muslim...There are only those willing to committ violence and those who support them. PERIOD
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 02:57 PM (gf8BH)
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This just goes to show that NASA isn't doing it's job properly.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 07, 2015 02:57 PM (/JKmj)
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shocking
Posted by: brak at December 07, 2015 02:58 PM (xwPSp)
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Or:
2. You have to understand the grievances of the Muslim community before judging this action.
FYNQ.
2. You have to understand the grievances of the Muslim community before judging this action.
FYNQ.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2015 02:58 PM (MZVOx)
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Lynch should be looking at a lot more than the mother. There is a lot of shit they are not telling us because some of this crap doesn't make any sense.
But like everything else shitmidas touches he will screw this up.
But like everything else shitmidas touches he will screw this up.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 07, 2015 02:59 PM (t2KH5)
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When people like TFG say that the vast majority of Muzzies wish to DO us no harm, they are correct if they mean that the vast majority are not actually going to DO harm to us themselves. But when it comes to moral and financial support for those who do indeed want to kill us, the vast majority of Muslims are with those who wish to murder us.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2015 02:59 PM (gJT5J)
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FAROOK, AT 8 YEARS OLD: Mommy, I'm bored.
MRS. FAROOK: Shoo, go outside and practice slaughtering infidels!
MRS. FAROOK: Shoo, go outside and practice slaughtering infidels!
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at December 07, 2015 02:59 PM (RD7QR)
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Hey, instead of pushing gun control, how about we have some mohammedan control, and perhaps a little gang member control - might be a tad more effective at stopping violence.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 07, 2015 02:59 PM (/JKmj)
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Dear CAIR....
If ... as a white hetero normative Christian male.... I have to "answer" for slavery, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the death of the North American bison, and the subjugation of Native American Peoples that all happened well before my grandparents were even born......
..... YOU assholes can answer for 14 dead that happened LAST WEEK.
Dear CAIR....
If ... as a white hetero normative Christian male.... I have to "answer" for slavery, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the death of the North American bison, and the subjugation of Native American Peoples that all happened well before my grandparents were even born......
..... YOU assholes can answer for 14 dead that happened LAST WEEK.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2015 03:00 PM (8XRCm)
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Ace suggest we stop importing reinforcements.
The State Department says "no, we like the system exactly the way it is".
(video of State saying they think Malik was properly vetted and they won't change system)
http://bit.ly/1Oeiumj
The State Department says "no, we like the system exactly the way it is".
(video of State saying they think Malik was properly vetted and they won't change system)
http://bit.ly/1Oeiumj
Posted by: MTF at December 07, 2015 03:00 PM (TxJGV)
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Kick her ass out. If it's so bad here in 'Merica give her a ticket back to the 7th Century shit hole of her choice.
Posted by: Grimpond at December 07, 2015 03:00 PM (hOH3j)
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How about this: I don't care what emotional / political / theological grievances you might feel. You don't get to murder people. Period.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at December 07, 2015 03:00 PM (dFi94)
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Rafia Farook, Mother of Terrorist Killer Syed Farook, Is Member of Hardline Islamic Society
The UC Irvine Political Science Department?
Rafia Farook, Mother of Terrorist Killer Syed Farook, Is Member of Hardline Islamic Society
The UC Irvine Political Science Department?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 07, 2015 03:00 PM (kdS6q)
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Pretty bad when MSNBC discovers evidence that the FBI doesn't.
Posted by: t-bird at December 07, 2015 03:00 PM (3U4+k)
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Nice piece Ace. You should follow with what the father had to say about Israel. Cliff Notes: nothing remotely friendly.
Helluva family.
Helluva family.
Posted by: free range jihadist at December 07, 2015 03:01 PM (7v/r5)
Posted by: the Big Bad Wolf, running and hiding at December 07, 2015 03:01 PM (H9MG5)
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Syed the road apple did not fall from Mohammed's butt.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at December 07, 2015 03:01 PM (3ZttN)
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NBC News interviewed the sister of Syed Farook on Friday. She acted shocked, shocked! that her brother would be involved in such a thing.
Lying liars that lie! Dad and mom are painting a very diff story.
Lying liars that lie! Dad and mom are painting a very diff story.
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 03:01 PM (hvf9s)
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Nice piece Ace. You should follow with what the father had to say about Israel. Cliff Notes: nothing remotely friendly.
Helluva family.
Posted by: free range jihadist at December 07, 2015 03:01 PM (7v/r5)
Wanna guess who they vote for?
Helluva family.
Posted by: free range jihadist at December 07, 2015 03:01 PM (7v/r5)
Wanna guess who they vote for?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 03:01 PM (gf8BH)
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Ace: "I don't want or need Muslims to be put through the ordeal of Denouncement Theater, in which people demand they condemn actions they had nothing to do with.'
I think it would be more effective if they made their denunciations in Arabic to their fellow muslims than saying it to me in English.
It might, MIGHT mind you, actually make me start believing in "moderate" muslims.
I think it would be more effective if they made their denunciations in Arabic to their fellow muslims than saying it to me in English.
It might, MIGHT mind you, actually make me start believing in "moderate" muslims.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 03:01 PM (UPYPp)
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Lefties who know nothing about Islam tell us what is radical Islam and what isn't. Islamic scholars tell you how Islam is going to take over the world and lefties poo poo what there being told.
Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2015 03:02 PM (k0xxN)
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>>>CAIR warns against backlash from next Friday's terrorist attack.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
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that's about the size of it.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
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that's about the size of it.
Posted by: ace at December 07, 2015 03:02 PM (dciA+)
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seems like japan used to have grievances too.
Posted by: x at December 07, 2015 03:02 PM (57fhp)
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We cannot punish American citizens simply for believing in an evil and violent ideology in which all individuality and freedom is stamped out in favor of the dictates of an alien god and council of ugly-minded clerics-ace
As long as we remain a free country and man has free will we will always be a target. Unfortunately, the left seems to be enablers of the worse among us.
As long as we remain a free country and man has free will we will always be a target. Unfortunately, the left seems to be enablers of the worse among us.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:02 PM (+c55T)
Posted by: Soothsayer, ho ho ho at December 07, 2015 03:03 PM (biZTx)
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Ace suggest we stop importing reinforcements.
The State Department says "no, we like the system exactly the way it is".
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Wasn't it Imam Obama who said America is Muslim nation?
Seems like it's all going according to his plan.... aka "k*ll whitey's who are Christian. "
Ace suggest we stop importing reinforcements.
The State Department says "no, we like the system exactly the way it is".
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Wasn't it Imam Obama who said America is Muslim nation?
Seems like it's all going according to his plan.... aka "k*ll whitey's who are Christian. "
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at December 07, 2015 03:03 PM (9JJgN)
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Well this answers a number of questions like how did the mother not see all the weapons before the attack and how did CAIR get on the scene so fast?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2015 03:03 PM (/tuJf)
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The FBI does not see any evidence of an OCONUC plot? Yeah that is because they are looking at it like it is 1941...Fuckin Idiots
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 03:03 PM (gf8BH)
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Other issues with Mom: her id was in the apartment that was supposedly a "bomb factory."
So...did Mom never come over to see the 6 month old baby and notice the bombs?
So...did Mom never come over to see the 6 month old baby and notice the bombs?
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:03 PM (UBBWX)
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Its actually not the violent musliims who are the most dangerous, but the quiet fanatics who peacefully work towards a sharia regime within the confines of our system. Imagine how much further developed "Eurabia" would be today, if Osama and his ilk hadnt drawn attention to the subject of Islam in Western societies.
Posted by: Begonia at December 07, 2015 03:03 PM (l36BG)
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Farook's affiliation with ICNA was revealed on Friday when MSNBC and other new outlets scoured the Farooks' apartment in Redlands, Cal.
I thought that was a travesty as it was unfolding.
On the other hand, the FBI blowhard is holding a substance-free press conference as we speak.
If he hadn't allowed MSNBC to ransack the evidence trove we wouldn't know this.
I thought that was a travesty as it was unfolding.
On the other hand, the FBI blowhard is holding a substance-free press conference as we speak.
If he hadn't allowed MSNBC to ransack the evidence trove we wouldn't know this.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 07, 2015 03:04 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: GBruno at December 07, 2015 03:04 PM (u49WF)
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I've just about had enough "wonderful mosaic" and "colorful tapestry" for one day. We need to ban these imports until they win their own civil war for control of their faith.
As for the no-fly list, Congress should send Pres.Ofailure a ban on the entire Bill of Rights for them, not just the 2nd Amendment. Or better yet, we'll ban their gun rights--if you'll send them to Gitmo.
As for the no-fly list, Congress should send Pres.Ofailure a ban on the entire Bill of Rights for them, not just the 2nd Amendment. Or better yet, we'll ban their gun rights--if you'll send them to Gitmo.
Posted by: Jordan King at December 07, 2015 03:04 PM (l0bW1)
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John E on NRA News right now!!
https://www.nranews.com/
John, you look like a combo of Andy Serkis and Karl Urban. This is a compliment!
https://www.nranews.com/
John, you look like a combo of Andy Serkis and Karl Urban. This is a compliment!
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 03:04 PM (hvf9s)
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There really is never going to be any peaceful coexistence with Islam and and everyone else unless you just get followers to ignore what their religion actually tells them to do.
This idea that it's some sort of splinter faction that wants to murder is nonsense, it's plain as day the Koran tells them to slaughter any non-believing Muslim over and over again. It's a playbook for constant war.
The religion itself needs to me made radioactive in the West, as long as we treat it with kid gloves this will continue.
This idea that it's some sort of splinter faction that wants to murder is nonsense, it's plain as day the Koran tells them to slaughter any non-believing Muslim over and over again. It's a playbook for constant war.
The religion itself needs to me made radioactive in the West, as long as we treat it with kid gloves this will continue.
Posted by: Coolio at December 07, 2015 03:04 PM (QnRLU)
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"Oh, pardon me Sayed. We forgot to tell you about a technical loophole regarding the 72 virgins. If you martyr yourself while married, you get to live the rest of eternity with 72 versions of your wife, Tashmeer. Tough break, dude."
Posted by: Sayed Farook's Muslim paradise intake counselor at December 07, 2015 03:04 PM (NeFrd)
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So which one is Rafia Farook; our friend and our neighbor, our co-worker, or our sports hero?
Posted by: Fritz at December 07, 2015 03:04 PM (UzPAd)
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Wonder if she's on welfare and a thief like the Joker and zombie Speedbump's mother?
Posted by: the Big Bad Wolf, running and hiding at December 07, 2015 03:05 PM (H9MG5)
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That's why the FBI allowing the media into that apartment was so shocking. They didn't really know what they were looking at during the first 48 hours, so they don't know what was relevant evidence or not.
This revelation about the mother opens up a whole new facet about homegrown jihadists that needs to be investigated.
This revelation about the mother opens up a whole new facet about homegrown jihadists that needs to be investigated.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 07, 2015 03:05 PM (NjiZL)
Posted by: Bracky Odumbass at December 07, 2015 03:05 PM (ODxAs)
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Nobody is asking whether Farook or his isis wife was on obama's No Fly list. Why??
Because if they're not, obama needs to STFU about it.
Nobody is asking whether Farook or his isis wife was on obama's No Fly list. Why??
Because if they're not, obama needs to STFU about it.
Posted by: Soothsayer, ho ho ho at December 07, 2015 03:05 PM (biZTx)
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The US is in the best traitorous hands...
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2015 03:05 PM (vxGdA)
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For the greater good of society, I think it's time we looked at some common sense restrictions on Islam.
I think we can all agree that anyone who is mentally unstable should not be allowed to practice Islam. Same with anyone who has ever committed a felony or domestic violence.
It is also more than reasonable to ban any young men under the age of 35 from practicing Islam.
Anyone who travels to Pakistan, Iran Saudi Arabia or any other terrorist hotbed should be placed on an Islamic Watch List and be required to purchase Terrorism Insurance of at least $100,000 lest they commit any act of terror.
These are all very reasonable and common sense restrictions.
I think we can all agree that anyone who is mentally unstable should not be allowed to practice Islam. Same with anyone who has ever committed a felony or domestic violence.
It is also more than reasonable to ban any young men under the age of 35 from practicing Islam.
Anyone who travels to Pakistan, Iran Saudi Arabia or any other terrorist hotbed should be placed on an Islamic Watch List and be required to purchase Terrorism Insurance of at least $100,000 lest they commit any act of terror.
These are all very reasonable and common sense restrictions.
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 07, 2015 03:05 PM (fQ/0p)
Posted by: Grimpond at December 07, 2015 03:05 PM (hOH3j)
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It is interesting during WWII the government hounded NAZI leaning groups.
From wiki
U.S. Congressman Martin Dies (D-Texas) and his House Committee on Un-American Activities were active in denying any Nazi-sympathetic organization the ability to operate freely during World War II. In the last week of December 1942, led by journalist Dorothy Thompson, fifty leading German-Americans (including baseball icon Babe Ruth) signed a "Christmas Declaration by men and women of German ancestry" condemning Nazism, which appeared in ten major American daily newspapers.
Why can't we do the same here? Oh and where is the equivalent of the Christmas declaration for Islamic followers?
And we revoked the citizenship of the leaders of the German American Bund during WWII...I'm thinking it is time to send Rafia "home".
From wiki
U.S. Congressman Martin Dies (D-Texas) and his House Committee on Un-American Activities were active in denying any Nazi-sympathetic organization the ability to operate freely during World War II. In the last week of December 1942, led by journalist Dorothy Thompson, fifty leading German-Americans (including baseball icon Babe Ruth) signed a "Christmas Declaration by men and women of German ancestry" condemning Nazism, which appeared in ten major American daily newspapers.
Why can't we do the same here? Oh and where is the equivalent of the Christmas declaration for Islamic followers?
And we revoked the citizenship of the leaders of the German American Bund during WWII...I'm thinking it is time to send Rafia "home".
Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2015 03:05 PM (5LOno)
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Muzzies (yeah, all of them) want the caliphate. And they'll do or say anything to get it. Until we understand this, they'll have the upper hand.
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 03:05 PM (Fmupd)
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I am also suspicious of why the bombs didn't go off...I'm assuming that's why they came back with guns: because the original plan was for the bombs to be remote detonated.
Now my suspicion: maybe the FBI had been talking with the couple, stringing them along.
But the FBI didn't think they'd go back with guns if the bombs didn't work.
This would explain their nonchalance at the media being in the apartment: contaminated crime scene = hurry up and close this case.
Now my suspicion: maybe the FBI had been talking with the couple, stringing them along.
But the FBI didn't think they'd go back with guns if the bombs didn't work.
This would explain their nonchalance at the media being in the apartment: contaminated crime scene = hurry up and close this case.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:06 PM (UBBWX)
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>> this cannot be criminalized.
granted, but it does not have to be imported and subsidized either.
and it can be monitored closely, and at time of war, there is precedence for putting people who sympathize with the enemy in camps.
The constitution is not a suicide pact, and the internment camps may not have been legal, and may not have been a good idea anyway, but there needs to be a an fbi file on people that think we need a caliphate, and enough resources to monitor them all, and a president that says that this is what we need to do. period.
granted, but it does not have to be imported and subsidized either.
and it can be monitored closely, and at time of war, there is precedence for putting people who sympathize with the enemy in camps.
The constitution is not a suicide pact, and the internment camps may not have been legal, and may not have been a good idea anyway, but there needs to be a an fbi file on people that think we need a caliphate, and enough resources to monitor them all, and a president that says that this is what we need to do. period.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 07, 2015 03:06 PM (LWu6U)
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"We cannot punish American citizens simply for believing in an evil
and violent ideology in which all individuality and freedom is stamped
out in favor of the dictates of an alien god and council of ugly-minded
clerics. We can, however, stop importing their reinforcements from foreign lands."
The overwhelming majority of murders committed with firearms in America are due to three groups of perpetrators:
(a) Career criminals
(b) Nut cases
(c) Foreign terrorists
Let us propose to the voters what ought to be a simple enough agenda, to wit: Put career criminals in prison. Put nut cases in asylums. Stop letting foreign terrorists into the country.
It's a very basic, rapidly comprehended "elevator pitch".
and violent ideology in which all individuality and freedom is stamped
out in favor of the dictates of an alien god and council of ugly-minded
clerics. We can, however, stop importing their reinforcements from foreign lands."
The overwhelming majority of murders committed with firearms in America are due to three groups of perpetrators:
(a) Career criminals
(b) Nut cases
(c) Foreign terrorists
Let us propose to the voters what ought to be a simple enough agenda, to wit: Put career criminals in prison. Put nut cases in asylums. Stop letting foreign terrorists into the country.
It's a very basic, rapidly comprehended "elevator pitch".
Posted by: torquewrench at December 07, 2015 03:06 PM (noWW6)
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They are all complicit.
The entire family and every member of their respective mosques need to be air dropped over Raqqa.
The entire family and every member of their respective mosques need to be air dropped over Raqqa.
Posted by: Garrett at December 07, 2015 03:06 PM (+rPUJ)
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Nobody is asking whether Farook or his isis wife was on obama's No Fly list. Why??
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becuase chocolate jesus is the lord our god, and even if they WERE on the no fly list, what does it matter? we will love and worship him no matter what
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becuase chocolate jesus is the lord our god, and even if they WERE on the no fly list, what does it matter? we will love and worship him no matter what
Posted by: The Boot Licking MSM at December 07, 2015 03:06 PM (9JJgN)
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Anyone who travels to Pakistan, Iran Saudi Arabia or any other terrorist hotbed should be placed on an Islamic Watch List
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So...President Obama? Did we ever find out who paid for him and his boyfriend to travel to Pakistan? This was before Obama got into hedge funds so he didn't have much money yet...
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So...President Obama? Did we ever find out who paid for him and his boyfriend to travel to Pakistan? This was before Obama got into hedge funds so he didn't have much money yet...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2015 03:06 PM (5LOno)
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My son said that he shared [ISIS leader Abu Bakr] Al Baghdadi’s ideology and supported the creation of the Islamic State,” said Farook’s dad, also named Syed Farook, who lives in Corona, Calif., with another son who is a Navy veteran. “He was also obsessed with Israel.”“I told him he had to stay calm and be patient because in two years Israel will not exist anymore,” the elder Farook told La Stampa in an article published Sunday. The foreign language daily’s report was translated in part by The Times of Israel.“Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China and America don’t want Jews there anymore. They are going to bring the Jews back to Ukraine. What is the point of fighting? We have already done it and we lost. Israel is not to be fought with weapons, but with politics. But he did not listen to me, he was obsessed,” the father said in the interview, according to The Times of Israel.“I told him he had to stay calm and be patient because in two years Israel will not exist anymore.”-
Posted by: free range jihadist at December 07, 2015 03:07 PM (7v/r5)
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Too bad little Norman Farook didn't blow up at an earlier age to please Mother.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2015 03:07 PM (vxGdA)
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KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST.
So, let's not go off the deep end.
So, let's not go off the deep end.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:07 PM (UBBWX)
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Drat, John's segment over. But many fine comments from the host on the fine work and colorful commentary from Ace! So that's nice.
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 03:07 PM (hvf9s)
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And if they were on obama's No Fly list, which is also a terror-watch list, why did obama allow these terrorists to roam freely??
And if they were on obama's No Fly list, which is also a terror-watch list, why did obama allow these terrorists to roam freely??
Posted by: Soothsayer, ho ho ho at December 07, 2015 03:07 PM (biZTx)
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48:"These are all very reasonable and common sense restrictions."
I nominate this for threadwinner.
I nominate this for threadwinner.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 03:07 PM (UPYPp)
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KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST.
How do you know?
KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST.
How do you know?
Posted by: Soothsayer, ho ho ho at December 07, 2015 03:08 PM (biZTx)
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Put nut cases in asylums.
***
But then Democrats would never win another national election.
It is fascinating to go to Kos or DU and see how many lefties are terrified of being committed if we ever bring back involuntary commitment for the insane...and for good reason.
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But then Democrats would never win another national election.
It is fascinating to go to Kos or DU and see how many lefties are terrified of being committed if we ever bring back involuntary commitment for the insane...and for good reason.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2015 03:08 PM (5LOno)
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"...We cannot punish American citizens simply for believing..."
Happens all the time. IRS.
War on Christians.
Can't be denied. It's out in the open.
Happens all the time. IRS.
War on Christians.
Can't be denied. It's out in the open.
Posted by: truth at December 07, 2015 03:08 PM (1uTkE)
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the killer described himself as liberal
which in his mind meant hiw wife could shoot a gun and kill people for jihad
the press has been busy defending the family
she was in the home when men cam and went and 19 bombs were built
they learn these attitudes at home. I am not talking about thought crimes here, but the idea that killing innocents in the name of jihad and domination of the west by islam. These are their "mainstream" thoughts.
the shooter was also, according to his father "obsessed with Israel" They learn these attitudes and beliefs at home first. Tolderance of killing innocents. The idea that the west must be dominated. The establishment of a caliphate
lets stop pretending they dont learn these ideas at home first. ISIS is not a form of hypnotism. They were suceptible to ISIS because they were familiar and comfortable with the ideas already. Not all the refugees are fleeing Assad. Thirty three percent agree with ISIS.
And they are coming here. They are moving them into Houston today in fact.
the killer described himself as liberal
which in his mind meant hiw wife could shoot a gun and kill people for jihad
the press has been busy defending the family
she was in the home when men cam and went and 19 bombs were built
they learn these attitudes at home. I am not talking about thought crimes here, but the idea that killing innocents in the name of jihad and domination of the west by islam. These are their "mainstream" thoughts.
the shooter was also, according to his father "obsessed with Israel" They learn these attitudes and beliefs at home first. Tolderance of killing innocents. The idea that the west must be dominated. The establishment of a caliphate
lets stop pretending they dont learn these ideas at home first. ISIS is not a form of hypnotism. They were suceptible to ISIS because they were familiar and comfortable with the ideas already. Not all the refugees are fleeing Assad. Thirty three percent agree with ISIS.
And they are coming here. They are moving them into Houston today in fact.
Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2015 03:08 PM (zOTsN)
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KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST.
Yeah I heard that... But I'd like to see his service record.
Yeah I heard that... But I'd like to see his service record.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 03:08 PM (gf8BH)
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Trump had it right on the money; we have to go after the jihadis families.
We have to make it clear that we will wipe their families off the face of the earth along with them if they bring they're death cult activities here.
We need to make it clear that we will annihilate them and though their religion may sustain itself, them, their family, their friends and neighbors will all be dead.
We have to make that commitment. It's the commitment they've already made knowing that we don't go after so called non combatants. But Jihadi/Muslim women are different they are as fanatical or more than the men. And they've had that reputation for a long time.
This must be total war. No refugees. No prisoners. No quarter.
We have to make it clear that we will wipe their families off the face of the earth along with them if they bring they're death cult activities here.
We need to make it clear that we will annihilate them and though their religion may sustain itself, them, their family, their friends and neighbors will all be dead.
We have to make that commitment. It's the commitment they've already made knowing that we don't go after so called non combatants. But Jihadi/Muslim women are different they are as fanatical or more than the men. And they've had that reputation for a long time.
This must be total war. No refugees. No prisoners. No quarter.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:08 PM (Xo1Rt)
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64
KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST.
I seem to remember Hassan as a member of the Military so....
KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST.
I seem to remember Hassan as a member of the Military so....
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 03:09 PM (/dSsq)
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BREAKING: The FBI has announced that it has reached an evidence-sharing agreement with MSNBC and CNN. "With the help of the folks in the networks, we'll have access to key pieces of evidence that we accidentally left in the apartment in our haste to pretend that this wasn't a terrorist attack," an FBI spokesperson was quoted as saying.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2015 03:09 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Garrett at December 07, 2015 03:09 PM (+rPUJ)
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60: "KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST. So, let's not go off the deep end."
What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 03:09 PM (UPYPp)
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KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST.
So, let's not go off the deep end.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:07 PM (UBBWX)
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Ok.... given.
Explain to me.... omitting the taqqiya.... why that has anything to do the killings???
So, let's not go off the deep end.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:07 PM (UBBWX)
----
Ok.... given.
Explain to me.... omitting the taqqiya.... why that has anything to do the killings???
Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2015 03:10 PM (8XRCm)
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BREAKING: The FBI has announced that it has reached an evidence-sharing
agreement with MSNBC and CNN. "With the help of the folks in the
networks, we'll have access to key pieces of evidence that we
accidentally left in the apartment in our haste to pretend that this
wasn't a terrorist attack," an FBI spokesperson was quoted as saying.
----
I don't know if this is real or not....
BREAKING: The FBI has announced that it has reached an evidence-sharing
agreement with MSNBC and CNN. "With the help of the folks in the
networks, we'll have access to key pieces of evidence that we
accidentally left in the apartment in our haste to pretend that this
wasn't a terrorist attack," an FBI spokesperson was quoted as saying.
----
I don't know if this is real or not....
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at December 07, 2015 03:10 PM (9JJgN)
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Yeah I heard that... But I'd like to see his service record.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 03:08 PM (gf8BH)
That guy needs to be transferred to a safe billet somewhere where he won't be tempted and won't be around any negative influences.Or discharged for the good of the service.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 03:08 PM (gf8BH)
That guy needs to be transferred to a safe billet somewhere where he won't be tempted and won't be around any negative influences.Or discharged for the good of the service.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:10 PM (Xo1Rt)
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that's the problem: we nurture serpents to our bosom.
there is an assumption that all speech is inherently valuable to a reasoned and well-considered examination of an issue.
150 years of leftist agitprop and 700 years of Islamic taquiya should have already put an end to that assumption.
some ideologies are by definition hostile to the idea of liberty, including free speech and association. those ideologies should not be protected by the characteristics of a society they hate.
the ideal situation in a free society would recognize this, define specifically what is subversive/treasonous speech/association (in order to prevent politicians from hijacking the process a recognized danger), and set up due process methods of removing those individuals who are ideologically opposed to liberty from the society they hate.
How many of the Hollywood folk questioned by the HUAC committee later admit to actually being Communists once the threat of consequences to that belief had passed, hmmmm? We should stop making this mistake.
there is an assumption that all speech is inherently valuable to a reasoned and well-considered examination of an issue.
150 years of leftist agitprop and 700 years of Islamic taquiya should have already put an end to that assumption.
some ideologies are by definition hostile to the idea of liberty, including free speech and association. those ideologies should not be protected by the characteristics of a society they hate.
the ideal situation in a free society would recognize this, define specifically what is subversive/treasonous speech/association (in order to prevent politicians from hijacking the process a recognized danger), and set up due process methods of removing those individuals who are ideologically opposed to liberty from the society they hate.
How many of the Hollywood folk questioned by the HUAC committee later admit to actually being Communists once the threat of consequences to that belief had passed, hmmmm? We should stop making this mistake.
Posted by: Grad School Fool at December 07, 2015 03:10 PM (A9KzJ)
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74 KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST.
So, let's not go off the deep end.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:07 PM (UBBWX)
_________
The two are not mutually exclusive.
See Nadal Hassan as Exhibit A.
So, let's not go off the deep end.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:07 PM (UBBWX)
_________
The two are not mutually exclusive.
See Nadal Hassan as Exhibit A.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 07, 2015 03:10 PM (0LHZx)
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>>>"ICNA is not the subject of any federal investigations."
We're too busy investigating Tea Partiers and veterans. The real threats, you know.
>>>"ICNA is not the subject of any federal investigations."
We're too busy investigating Tea Partiers and veterans. The real threats, you know.
Posted by: The Holder-Lynch Justice Department at December 07, 2015 03:10 PM (CMbMd)
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48. Call me crazy ... would like to know wtf TFG was doing in Pakistan in 1981 (if I remember correctly) been wanting to know that since 2007.
Posted by: Itstime at December 07, 2015 03:11 PM (FNKRL)
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KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST.
Yeah. They're NEVER terrorists, until one day they are.
Yeah. They're NEVER terrorists, until one day they are.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2015 03:11 PM (8ZskC)
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>>>"ICNA is not the subject of any federal investigations."
We're too busy investigating Tea Partiers and veterans. The real threats, you know.
Oh and don't forget clock boys school...
We're too busy investigating Tea Partiers and veterans. The real threats, you know.
Oh and don't forget clock boys school...
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 03:11 PM (/dSsq)
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That guy needs to be transferred to a safe billet somewhere where he won't be tempted and won't be around any negative influences.Or discharged for the good of the service.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:10 PM (Xo1Rt)
He's out already. Was only in for one tour I think
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:10 PM (Xo1Rt)
He's out already. Was only in for one tour I think
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 03:11 PM (gf8BH)
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The thing I've learned from these repeated attacks is that this doesn't represent all Muslims, and therefore they should be our prime stream of refugees/immigrants. Never mind the exploited/enslaved Thai fishermen, or the millions of Africans/Bangladeshis who would love to come to the US
Posted by: Lurker primus at December 07, 2015 03:12 PM (RYQAM)
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"KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST. "
Neither were his relatives (as far as the govt knew) until just the other day. Neither was Major Nidal Hassan, right up until the day he murdered 13 unarmed soldiers.
You need to stay in the shallow end.
Neither were his relatives (as far as the govt knew) until just the other day. Neither was Major Nidal Hassan, right up until the day he murdered 13 unarmed soldiers.
You need to stay in the shallow end.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 07, 2015 03:12 PM (3myMJ)
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>>>You have to understand the grievances of the Muslim community before judging this action.
Uh, no. If you kill innocent people because you personally feel aggrieved, you are a f*cking asshole, and should never have been allowed in the country to begin with. This is so simple. There is no reason why we should have to be subjected to people like this. No reason.
Uh, no. If you kill innocent people because you personally feel aggrieved, you are a f*cking asshole, and should never have been allowed in the country to begin with. This is so simple. There is no reason why we should have to be subjected to people like this. No reason.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 07, 2015 03:13 PM (E5UB0)
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KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST.
Posted by: Harun
Really? And you know that -- how?
Because there are some obvious examples of traitors in uniform that can be pointed out.
KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST.
Posted by: Harun
Really? And you know that -- how?
Because there are some obvious examples of traitors in uniform that can be pointed out.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 07, 2015 03:13 PM (kdS6q)
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Next time your friendly Twitter or Facebook pal tries to shame you about your support for the Second Ammendment......
....politely point out that if all their "Islamahobia" shaming hadnt silenced the neighbors into NOT reporting the goings on at Farooks apartment..... 14 people would be alive today.
Makes for "interesting" conversation.
Next time your friendly Twitter or Facebook pal tries to shame you about your support for the Second Ammendment......
....politely point out that if all their "Islamahobia" shaming hadnt silenced the neighbors into NOT reporting the goings on at Farooks apartment..... 14 people would be alive today.
Makes for "interesting" conversation.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2015 03:13 PM (8XRCm)
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"...We cannot punish American citizens simply for believing..."
=====
Except--EXCEPT--
"You'll bake that cake or go to jail."
"You'll marry those two guys or lose your job."
"You'll deliver flowers to those two gals wedding or you'll lose your business."
"You'll rent your business out for a homo goin' steady ceremony or lose your license."
Yeah. We passed the "we don't punish American for beliefs" a long time ago.
=====
Except--EXCEPT--
"You'll bake that cake or go to jail."
"You'll marry those two guys or lose your job."
"You'll deliver flowers to those two gals wedding or you'll lose your business."
"You'll rent your business out for a homo goin' steady ceremony or lose your license."
Yeah. We passed the "we don't punish American for beliefs" a long time ago.
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 07, 2015 03:14 PM (fQ/0p)
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"...Put nut cases in asylums..."
See USSR. Psychiatric hospitals were used to silence Global Warming Deniers and enimies of the Communist party. Mostly enimies of the Communist party.
Why not go to an all volunteer country. Get rid of professional bureaucrats. All Government offices are elected. Especially Judges. Require Citizens to spend 20 hours a week preforming policing, inspecting, and regulatory duties under the command of elected officials.
See USSR. Psychiatric hospitals were used to silence Global Warming Deniers and enimies of the Communist party. Mostly enimies of the Communist party.
Why not go to an all volunteer country. Get rid of professional bureaucrats. All Government offices are elected. Especially Judges. Require Citizens to spend 20 hours a week preforming policing, inspecting, and regulatory duties under the command of elected officials.
Posted by: truth at December 07, 2015 03:14 PM (1uTkE)
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So the brother was a Navy vet. Well, lets see. He has been awful quiet. I was surprised CAIR didnt have him address the media instead of the sisters husband. Would make a better case for them you would think
but they didnt use the brother and thats because I think he is being questioned. A third person was arrsted that day. There was phone video taken by a neighbor of that, CNN showed it once, and then never again. The press isn't asking about it either.
jury is our on the brother as far as I am concerned. And the brother is a civil servant now, just like his jihadi brother was
I think the whole family is rotten
So the brother was a Navy vet. Well, lets see. He has been awful quiet. I was surprised CAIR didnt have him address the media instead of the sisters husband. Would make a better case for them you would think
but they didnt use the brother and thats because I think he is being questioned. A third person was arrsted that day. There was phone video taken by a neighbor of that, CNN showed it once, and then never again. The press isn't asking about it either.
jury is our on the brother as far as I am concerned. And the brother is a civil servant now, just like his jihadi brother was
I think the whole family is rotten
Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2015 03:14 PM (zOTsN)
92
Too many people are saying "all muzzies are bad."
http://tinyurl.com/ppgjtzy
There are plenty of "cultural Muslims" or not very religious ones that are fine.
Its when you start taking the book literally that things go bad.
Another big problem is the penalty for apostasy and radical muslims being able to claim they are the real kind and forcing everyone else to sorta go along.
Don't get me wrong: Islam has major problems, and may not be reformable.
http://tinyurl.com/ppgjtzy
There are plenty of "cultural Muslims" or not very religious ones that are fine.
Its when you start taking the book literally that things go bad.
Another big problem is the penalty for apostasy and radical muslims being able to claim they are the real kind and forcing everyone else to sorta go along.
Don't get me wrong: Islam has major problems, and may not be reformable.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:14 PM (UBBWX)
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73 60: "KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST. So, let's not go off the deep end."
What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 03:09 PM (UPYPp)
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So what? Hassan was an Army officer stationed at Ft. Hood. I don't trust any of them.
73 60: "KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST. So, let's not go off the deep end."
What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 03:09 PM (UPYPp)
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So what? Hassan was an Army officer stationed at Ft. Hood. I don't trust any of them.
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 03:15 PM (Fmupd)
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88: "....politely point out that if all their "Islamahobia" shaming hadnt silenced the neighbors into NOT reporting the goings on at Farooks apartment..... 14 people would be alive today.'
If keeping muzzies out of America saves just one life, isn't it worth it?
If keeping muzzies out of America saves just one life, isn't it worth it?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 03:15 PM (UPYPp)
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"And we constantly examine our strategy to determine when additional steps are needed to get the job done. That's why I've ordered the Departments of State and Homeland Security to review the visa program under which the female terrorist in San Bernardino originally came to this country. And that's why I will urge high-tech and law enforcement leaders to make it harder for terrorists to use technology to escape from justice."
Posted by: Obamallfly of Knockwurst Vt at December 07, 2015 03:15 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: Soothsayer, ho ho ho at December 07, 2015 03:15 PM (biZTx)
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Ironically, part of the reason for the growing islamist threat is preciously because there is no chance of backlash right now.
Part of the reason for the lack of "right wing" terror is that as generally rational people, conservatives understand the state will move to attack them, their cause, and their family and relations if they indulge in terror. Hell, this was exactly what happened with the OKC bomber.
Leftwing terror is more constrained by simple cowardice. Yes, they'd like to commit more acts of terror like the FRC shooter or the guy who attacked the IRS but that would involve icky weapons, jail, and death.
Islamists, unlike the rest of the political left, have no fear of personal death or injury. They do have some level of understanding of geopolitics (or at least their leaders do) though.
A rational president would put an immediate stop on immigration and green cards from Islamic countries after the recent attack and promise that any further Islamic atrocities will be met with punishment aka "backlash". But we don't have a rational president and we don't live in a rational world.
Part of the reason for the lack of "right wing" terror is that as generally rational people, conservatives understand the state will move to attack them, their cause, and their family and relations if they indulge in terror. Hell, this was exactly what happened with the OKC bomber.
Leftwing terror is more constrained by simple cowardice. Yes, they'd like to commit more acts of terror like the FRC shooter or the guy who attacked the IRS but that would involve icky weapons, jail, and death.
Islamists, unlike the rest of the political left, have no fear of personal death or injury. They do have some level of understanding of geopolitics (or at least their leaders do) though.
A rational president would put an immediate stop on immigration and green cards from Islamic countries after the recent attack and promise that any further Islamic atrocities will be met with punishment aka "backlash". But we don't have a rational president and we don't live in a rational world.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2015 03:15 PM (5LOno)
98
You never know when they are going to "self radicalize".
Posted by: Steevy at December 07, 2015 03:15 PM (8HTq1)
99
"So the brother was a Navy vet. Well, lets see. He has been awful quiet. I was surprised CAIR didnt have him address the media instead of the sisters husband. Would make a better case for them you would think "
He did address the media. He sounded normal and shocked.
He may not like CAIR.
He did address the media. He sounded normal and shocked.
He may not like CAIR.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:16 PM (UBBWX)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 03:16 PM (gf8BH)
101
Lt Col Ralph Peters calls "Teh Boy King" a pussy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jokB45EW9Pw
Posted by: Grimpond
Look out for Loretta's lynch mob.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jokB45EW9Pw
Posted by: Grimpond
Look out for Loretta's lynch mob.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 07, 2015 03:16 PM (FkBIv)
102
Keep in mind my ass.
This 'family' -- father, mother, son and his wife were all Jew hating terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.
Which leaves the other brother and a six month old.
Some math involved but more than 60%.
This 'family' -- father, mother, son and his wife were all Jew hating terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.
Which leaves the other brother and a six month old.
Some math involved but more than 60%.
Posted by: free range jihadist at December 07, 2015 03:16 PM (7v/r5)
103
Common sense Muslim control:
All Muslims must undergo a back ground check
They must post a bond or insurance in case of accidental jihasism occurs.
All Muslim men must have locks on all their guns with the keys held at the police station.
All Muslim women must eschew the birqaa.
All Mosques must allow entrance to non Muslims for the purposes of observation.
All terrorist clerics deported.
No Muslims allowed to have scary looking beards or "crazy" eyes.
All Muslims must undergo a back ground check
They must post a bond or insurance in case of accidental jihasism occurs.
All Muslim men must have locks on all their guns with the keys held at the police station.
All Muslim women must eschew the birqaa.
All Mosques must allow entrance to non Muslims for the purposes of observation.
All terrorist clerics deported.
No Muslims allowed to have scary looking beards or "crazy" eyes.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:16 PM (Xo1Rt)
104
Terrorist's sister wants to adopt their baby girl. How about NO, until it is certified they are not going to raise her to hate America too?
http://dailym.ai/1Ny2EGO
http://dailym.ai/1Ny2EGO
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 03:16 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2015 03:17 PM (vxGdA)
106
It seems to me that suspicion of conspiracy would be a perfectly fine charge to detain the mother for questioning. She facilitated the crime as a minimum by watching their kid while they were committing mass murder and then saying nothing about it. They had her driver's license in the apartment -- who knows what it had been used for? As noted above, it's hard to imagine she never went in the garage. She might know something and might let something material slip under questioning.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 07, 2015 03:17 PM (5f5bM)
107
He did address the media. He sounded normal and shocked.
He may not like CAIR.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:16 PM (UBBWX)
that was the brother in law I thought?
He may not like CAIR.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:16 PM (UBBWX)
that was the brother in law I thought?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 03:17 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 03:17 PM (/dSsq)
109
"KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST."
Major Nidal Hasan was in the U.S. Army and he wasn't a terrorist.
Until one day he was.
There have just been too many cases of Sudden Jihad Syndrome.
Purportedly peaceful and patriotic Muslims are going to have to accustom themselves to being looked at with suspicious eyes, unless and until they clean house in their own communities. Absolutely no sign of that happening, by the way.
Major Nidal Hasan was in the U.S. Army and he wasn't a terrorist.
Until one day he was.
There have just been too many cases of Sudden Jihad Syndrome.
Purportedly peaceful and patriotic Muslims are going to have to accustom themselves to being looked at with suspicious eyes, unless and until they clean house in their own communities. Absolutely no sign of that happening, by the way.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 07, 2015 03:17 PM (noWW6)
110
A boy's best friend is his mother.
Posted by: Norman Bates at December 07, 2015 03:18 PM (vBH2i)
111
32 Well this answers a number of questions like how did the mother not see all the weapons before the attack and how did CAIR get on the scene so fast?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2015 03:03 PM (/tuJf
I would not be surprised if CAIR had knowledge of impending acts of Jihidi Jane and her spousal unit.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2015 03:03 PM (/tuJf
I would not be surprised if CAIR had knowledge of impending acts of Jihidi Jane and her spousal unit.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:18 PM (+c55T)
112
He did address the media. He sounded normal and shocked.
He may not like CAIR.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:16 PM (UBBWX)
no Harun
that was the sisters husband, the BIL
He may not like CAIR.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:16 PM (UBBWX)
no Harun
that was the sisters husband, the BIL
Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2015 03:18 PM (zOTsN)
113
If keeping muzzies out of America saves just one life, isn't it worth it?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 03:15 PM (UPYPp)
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I made that point once..... holy Facebook eruptions Batman. Liberals do NOT like to be mocked.... especially publicly.... ;-)
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 03:15 PM (UPYPp)
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I made that point once..... holy Facebook eruptions Batman. Liberals do NOT like to be mocked.... especially publicly.... ;-)
Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2015 03:18 PM (8XRCm)
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Honestly, if you judged me by my brother, I would not come out looking good. People need to calm down.
If there is evidence against a specific person, then fine. If not, then calm down.
If there is evidence against a specific person, then fine. If not, then calm down.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:18 PM (UBBWX)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2015 03:18 PM (/tuJf)
116
108 Lt Col Ralph Peters calls "Teh Boy King" a pussy:
He certainly doesn't mince words...
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 03:17 PM (/dSsq
Then he apologized to FNC for his "language". Pussy
He certainly doesn't mince words...
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 03:17 PM (/dSsq
Then he apologized to FNC for his "language". Pussy
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:19 PM (+c55T)
Posted by: wth at December 07, 2015 03:19 PM (HgMAr)
118
They laughed at Trump but he was right about this.
Hey, I just saw that Rush's drummer Neil Peart has retired from music. He's been hinting at it for a while. And I suddenly feel very old. Glad I shelled out to see them one last time this past summer.
Hey, I just saw that Rush's drummer Neil Peart has retired from music. He's been hinting at it for a while. And I suddenly feel very old. Glad I shelled out to see them one last time this past summer.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 07, 2015 03:19 PM (r9tFS)
119
"that was the sisters husband, the BIL"
OK...I could be wrong. Its hard to keep everyone straight.
OK...I could be wrong. Its hard to keep everyone straight.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:19 PM (UBBWX)
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muslims aren't cleaning house. They're barricading the doors.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2015 03:19 PM (8ZskC)
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I don't want or need Muslims to be put through the ordeal of Denouncement Theater, in which people demand they condemn actions they had nothing to do with.
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Oh, I don't know. MSM seems to to do this all the time to non-democrats.
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Oh, I don't know. MSM seems to to do this all the time to non-democrats.
Posted by: olddog in mo at December 07, 2015 03:19 PM (3e8Ue)
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"...millions of Africans/Bangladeshis who would love to come to the US..."
And what would they do here? Be angry because there would be no useful work for them? That they are some Government Bureaucrat's meal ticket. Is that like the Preachers who want to save souls like some people want to collect stamps? "...almost persuaded..." we are going to do this all night till someone comes up ...
And what would they do here? Be angry because there would be no useful work for them? That they are some Government Bureaucrat's meal ticket. Is that like the Preachers who want to save souls like some people want to collect stamps? "...almost persuaded..." we are going to do this all night till someone comes up ...
Posted by: truth at December 07, 2015 03:19 PM (rnH8X)
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Let me lay it out for you:
If you're a muslim, you've got a warped sense of reality, at best.
If you're a woman AND muslim, you're fucking insane. I'm talking about the ones who go all in for the muslim crap. Islam HATES woman. It is a terrible religion for women. Not women-friendly at all.
Let me lay it out for you:
If you're a muslim, you've got a warped sense of reality, at best.
If you're a woman AND muslim, you're fucking insane. I'm talking about the ones who go all in for the muslim crap. Islam HATES woman. It is a terrible religion for women. Not women-friendly at all.
Posted by: Soothsayer, ho ho ho at December 07, 2015 03:19 PM (biZTx)
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On the other hand, I am tired of terrorist slaughters being used as PR
opportunities on behalf of more radical interpretations of Islam, too.
There's no such thing as a 'radical interpretation of islam'.
The only difference between ISIS and 'moderate muslims' is the will to act.
opportunities on behalf of more radical interpretations of Islam, too.
There's no such thing as a 'radical interpretation of islam'.
The only difference between ISIS and 'moderate muslims' is the will to act.
Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 03:20 PM (ZbV+0)
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Muslims are walking time bombs that may or may not go off at any moment.
Would you keep a bomb like that in your home?
Would you keep a bomb like that in your home?
Posted by: Meremortal at December 07, 2015 03:20 PM (3myMJ)
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114 Honestly, if you judged me by my brother, I would not come out looking good. People need to calm down----
Your brother believes in killing Christians, raping teenage daughter of your enemies, your brothers religion condones this? Yeah, you don't look too good
Your brother believes in killing Christians, raping teenage daughter of your enemies, your brothers religion condones this? Yeah, you don't look too good
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:20 PM (+c55T)
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Honestly, if you judged me by my brother, I would not come out looking good. People need to calm down.
If there is evidence against a specific person, then fine. If not, then calm down.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:18 PM (UBBWX)
We are judging him by his actions and the actions and words of the whole rotton Jews hating family. And they stink to high heaven
If there is evidence against a specific person, then fine. If not, then calm down.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:18 PM (UBBWX)
We are judging him by his actions and the actions and words of the whole rotton Jews hating family. And they stink to high heaven
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 03:20 PM (gf8BH)
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I wonder why Farook Sr believes Israel only has two more years?
I'm looking at you and your Iranian minion, Obama.
I'm looking at you and your Iranian minion, Obama.
Posted by: Garrett at December 07, 2015 03:20 PM (+rPUJ)
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No, it would be unfair to impose consequences on an American for what he believes or thinks.
It is not, however, to ask a non-American what he thinks or believes. They do not have the right to be here, as an American does; it does not "go against our values," as the Endless Drone of Obama would have it, to deny the privilege of visiting, or settling in, America, to those whose values are not only incompatible with American civilization, but any kind of real civilization at all
But the Left doesn't believe that. Not any of that. If anything, the Left believes that those coming to America should and do have more rights than those born in America.
This is all going to end very badly indeed.
Also, how the hell was this missed?
Here's a sneak peek at BC and I's podcast which will be up tomorrow at 9:30 a.m. We discuss the very dark places one must go when considering the clusterfuck of all clusterfucks of the FBI saying we're good here on the apartment and that the visa was granted to someone who listed a false address.
If this happened under Bush? The NYT would have a 42 point above the fold oped demanding his resignation.
It is not, however, to ask a non-American what he thinks or believes. They do not have the right to be here, as an American does; it does not "go against our values," as the Endless Drone of Obama would have it, to deny the privilege of visiting, or settling in, America, to those whose values are not only incompatible with American civilization, but any kind of real civilization at all
But the Left doesn't believe that. Not any of that. If anything, the Left believes that those coming to America should and do have more rights than those born in America.
This is all going to end very badly indeed.
Also, how the hell was this missed?
Here's a sneak peek at BC and I's podcast which will be up tomorrow at 9:30 a.m. We discuss the very dark places one must go when considering the clusterfuck of all clusterfucks of the FBI saying we're good here on the apartment and that the visa was granted to someone who listed a false address.
If this happened under Bush? The NYT would have a 42 point above the fold oped demanding his resignation.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at December 07, 2015 03:20 PM (mf5HN)
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"Major Nidal Hasan was in the U.S. Army and he wasn't a terrorist.
Until one day he was.
There have just been too many cases of Sudden Jihad Syndrome. "
He wasn't a sudden Jihadi.
Dude has business cards and made power point presentations about Jihad.
Until one day he was.
There have just been too many cases of Sudden Jihad Syndrome. "
He wasn't a sudden Jihadi.
Dude has business cards and made power point presentations about Jihad.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:20 PM (UBBWX)
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Mama's boy.
Posted by: wth at December 07, 2015 03:20 PM (HgMAr)
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Ace doesn't want to suggest mindcrimes.
fine. But we need to understand who it is the admin is importing into the country at a breakneck speed with no vetting.
A good muslim does not mean the same thing as a good Christian or a good humanist.
Once you stop projecting your values on to them and learn their values, it may make sense.
And then we can question why let in people who are full of mindcrimes. Ppl in USA already have mindcrimes but at least they're filtered through our values.
These muz immigrants are separatists and do not wish to assimilate. The best we can hope for are bad muslims who like to drink 'n shit. Think women can drive. That sort of normal shit which is bad muslim thoughts.
We can't so we shouldn't.
Plus, we're full, we don't need you.
Secondly, we are getting no benefit from the middle east for taking their people. They aren't welcoming in new ideas, ppl, or our values. So what the fuck, eh?
fine. But we need to understand who it is the admin is importing into the country at a breakneck speed with no vetting.
A good muslim does not mean the same thing as a good Christian or a good humanist.
Once you stop projecting your values on to them and learn their values, it may make sense.
And then we can question why let in people who are full of mindcrimes. Ppl in USA already have mindcrimes but at least they're filtered through our values.
These muz immigrants are separatists and do not wish to assimilate. The best we can hope for are bad muslims who like to drink 'n shit. Think women can drive. That sort of normal shit which is bad muslim thoughts.
We can't so we shouldn't.
Plus, we're full, we don't need you.
Secondly, we are getting no benefit from the middle east for taking their people. They aren't welcoming in new ideas, ppl, or our values. So what the fuck, eh?
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 03:20 PM (P+ME4)
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Syed Raheel Farook
He did address the media. He sounded normal and shocked. He may not like CAIR.
Posted by: Harun
Gotta link? Cause don't recall seeing him at any presser.
Syed Raheel Farook
He did address the media. He sounded normal and shocked. He may not like CAIR.
Posted by: Harun
Gotta link? Cause don't recall seeing him at any presser.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 07, 2015 03:20 PM (kdS6q)
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OK...I could be wrong. Its hard to keep everyone straight.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:19 PM (UBBWX)
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Tis OK. Ya'all look alike........
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:19 PM (UBBWX)
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Tis OK. Ya'all look alike........
Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2015 03:21 PM (8XRCm)
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I wanted to get into the Christmas spirit.
Saturday, I went to the Dickens festival in Port Jefferson, LI to listen to the Handel's Messiah performance.
The guy who directed it was gay, and the program that they passed out fairly shoved it in your face. The perverted shitstain couldn't let Christmas be about actual Christmas, or even Handel's music. The baton waving turd eater had to make it about himself. This is why I hate these people.
I also heard some nice Bach in other performances.
And what bothers me so much is that these f*cking barbarians, these ISIS people, homosexuals, and BLM chimpanzees, is that they will end up by trying to destroy all of these beautiful works, as they are doing with historic monuments in the ME. I would welcome any backlash that will stop these philistines from destroying basically the only thing that can make me happy.
Saturday, I went to the Dickens festival in Port Jefferson, LI to listen to the Handel's Messiah performance.
The guy who directed it was gay, and the program that they passed out fairly shoved it in your face. The perverted shitstain couldn't let Christmas be about actual Christmas, or even Handel's music. The baton waving turd eater had to make it about himself. This is why I hate these people.
I also heard some nice Bach in other performances.
And what bothers me so much is that these f*cking barbarians, these ISIS people, homosexuals, and BLM chimpanzees, is that they will end up by trying to destroy all of these beautiful works, as they are doing with historic monuments in the ME. I would welcome any backlash that will stop these philistines from destroying basically the only thing that can make me happy.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 07, 2015 03:21 PM (E5UB0)
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At the very least; at a bare minimum---American Muslims have a rooting interest in winning the Caliphate through terrorism.....
Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2015 03:21 PM (gJT5J)
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>>He wasn't a sudden Jihadi.
>>Dude has business cards and made power point presentations about Jihad.
What?
>>Dude has business cards and made power point presentations about Jihad.
What?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2015 03:21 PM (/tuJf)
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If there is evidence against a specific person, then fine. If not, then calm down.
Yes let's wait until one of them slashes a throat of a Jew or a Christian before we condemn them!
If there is evidence against a specific person, then fine. If not, then calm down.
Yes let's wait until one of them slashes a throat of a Jew or a Christian before we condemn them!
Posted by: Soothsayer, ho ho ho at December 07, 2015 03:21 PM (biZTx)
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114: "People need to calm down.'
Like those folks that saw the suspicious behavior at the apartment prior to the attack?
No thank you.
Like those folks that saw the suspicious behavior at the apartment prior to the attack?
No thank you.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 03:21 PM (UPYPp)
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Too many people are saying "all muzzies are bad."
http://tinyurl.com/ppgjtzy
There are plenty of "cultural Muslims" or not very religious ones that are fine.
Its when you start taking the book literally that things go bad.
Another big problem is the penalty for apostasy and radical muslims
being able to claim they are the real kind and forcing everyone else to
sorta go along.
Don't get me wrong: Islam has major problems, and may not be reformable.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:14 PM (UBBWX)
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Pesient Sisi in Egypt and King Abdullah in Jordan seem to be doing just fine. When he was in power, President Karzai in Afghanistan convened a gathering of imams to declare that terrorism against innocents was haram (forbidden). It's not like some of them aren't trying. We should support them instead of supporting their opposition.
Too many people are saying "all muzzies are bad."
http://tinyurl.com/ppgjtzy
There are plenty of "cultural Muslims" or not very religious ones that are fine.
Its when you start taking the book literally that things go bad.
Another big problem is the penalty for apostasy and radical muslims
being able to claim they are the real kind and forcing everyone else to
sorta go along.
Don't get me wrong: Islam has major problems, and may not be reformable.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:14 PM (UBBWX)
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Pesient Sisi in Egypt and King Abdullah in Jordan seem to be doing just fine. When he was in power, President Karzai in Afghanistan convened a gathering of imams to declare that terrorism against innocents was haram (forbidden). It's not like some of them aren't trying. We should support them instead of supporting their opposition.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 07, 2015 03:21 PM (5f5bM)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at December 07, 2015 03:22 PM (/Ho8c)
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No, it would be unfair to impose consequences on an American for what he believes or thinks.
Fly a Confederate flag in front of your house for a week and then get back to me.
Fly a Confederate flag in front of your house for a week and then get back to me.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2015 03:22 PM (8ZskC)
143
Iran fires nuklear capable intercontinetal missile...Hey Fredo is on a hot streak
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 03:22 PM (gf8BH)
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And why do we allow an organ of HAMAS (CAIR) and the Muslim Brotherhood to be able to speak and act freely in this country?
They are at least associated with terrorists groups. It is very likely that they supply support services for jihadis in this country.
They are known to have run tests at access to airports, airplanes and other situations so as to remove or nullify a heightened awareness of Muslims in ambiguous situations.
They are a 5th column softening up various targets for future attack through the use of propaganda.
Hey Loretta! How's about investigating THEM? Huh?
They are at least associated with terrorists groups. It is very likely that they supply support services for jihadis in this country.
They are known to have run tests at access to airports, airplanes and other situations so as to remove or nullify a heightened awareness of Muslims in ambiguous situations.
They are a 5th column softening up various targets for future attack through the use of propaganda.
Hey Loretta! How's about investigating THEM? Huh?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:22 PM (Xo1Rt)
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123
Let me lay it out for you:
If you're a muslim, you've got a warped sense of reality, at best.
If you're a woman AND muslim, you're fucking insane. I'm talking about the ones who go all in for the muslim crap. Islam HATES woman. It is a terrible religion for women. Not women-friendly at all.
Posted by: Soothsayer, ho ho ho at December 07, 2015 03:19 PM (biZTx
Yet my wife works with a woman who is in Quatr right now. American Caucasian divorced from one Muslim. She wears the headscarf. OVerseas right now with a new guy who she met online. We talked for over an hour yesterday about how nervous she is. I'm not happy.
Let me lay it out for you:
If you're a muslim, you've got a warped sense of reality, at best.
If you're a woman AND muslim, you're fucking insane. I'm talking about the ones who go all in for the muslim crap. Islam HATES woman. It is a terrible religion for women. Not women-friendly at all.
Posted by: Soothsayer, ho ho ho at December 07, 2015 03:19 PM (biZTx
Yet my wife works with a woman who is in Quatr right now. American Caucasian divorced from one Muslim. She wears the headscarf. OVerseas right now with a new guy who she met online. We talked for over an hour yesterday about how nervous she is. I'm not happy.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:22 PM (+c55T)
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Well, that's what you get for going to a Dick Festival...
Well, that's what you get for going to a Dick Festival...
Posted by: Soothsayer, ho ho ho at December 07, 2015 03:22 PM (biZTx)
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I mean, I spent a few weeks doing light research on what a good muslim is and what they want.
a good muslim wants caliphate, hates infidels.
a good muslim expects eternal sexual bliss in jahna
So, we let in a muz who are good muslim, they are separatist and will have sympathy towards direct action against us.
a good muslim wants caliphate, hates infidels.
a good muslim expects eternal sexual bliss in jahna
So, we let in a muz who are good muslim, they are separatist and will have sympathy towards direct action against us.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 03:23 PM (P+ME4)
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142 No, it would be unfair to impose consequences on an American for what he believes or thinks.
Try even saying Merry Christmas...
Try even saying Merry Christmas...
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 03:23 PM (/dSsq)
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Oh come on. The jihadists mom was a saint. The police broke the window of the poor womans car to retrieve the packaging from a GoPro camera, with which she intended to simulcast all over the world her granddaughters first steps.
CAIR
CAIR
Posted by: free range jihadist at December 07, 2015 03:23 PM (7v/r5)
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Today, the Department of Justice made contact with Lt Col Ralph Peters for the express purpose of determining whether he represents a threat to the President of the United States based upon his remarks on live television.
Peters will be debriefed by a team of DOJ lawyers, who will pursue a line of questioning that will allow the team to file charges against Peters commensurate with established law. Peters has been advised not to seek counsel to defend his remarks, and will be treated the same as any other potential felony miscreant.
Today, the Department of Justice made contact with Lt Col Ralph Peters for the express purpose of determining whether he represents a threat to the President of the United States based upon his remarks on live television.
Peters will be debriefed by a team of DOJ lawyers, who will pursue a line of questioning that will allow the team to file charges against Peters commensurate with established law. Peters has been advised not to seek counsel to defend his remarks, and will be treated the same as any other potential felony miscreant.
Posted by: Loretta Lynch, AG at December 07, 2015 03:23 PM (OiFtZ)
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Honestly, if you judged me by my brother, I would not come out looking good. People need to calm down.
If there is evidence against a specific person, then fine. If not, then calm down.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:18 PM (UBBWX)
I will not calm down
the husband and wife did it
the mother had to have known what was going on, she LIVED with them, belonged to an extremist group an took care of the baby for them the day they went off to committ jihad.
the father said his son was committed to ISIS and was "obsessed" with Israel
and only the sister and the BIL are talking. and its weird. They say they are upset. They say they are shocked. Well, look at how they present. No tears, no emotions, totally flat. I think they are not surprised by this at all.
and the strange silence of the brother who would put the very best face on the issue for muslims and CAIR? Silence. I think he is in custody
If there is evidence against a specific person, then fine. If not, then calm down.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:18 PM (UBBWX)
I will not calm down
the husband and wife did it
the mother had to have known what was going on, she LIVED with them, belonged to an extremist group an took care of the baby for them the day they went off to committ jihad.
the father said his son was committed to ISIS and was "obsessed" with Israel
and only the sister and the BIL are talking. and its weird. They say they are upset. They say they are shocked. Well, look at how they present. No tears, no emotions, totally flat. I think they are not surprised by this at all.
and the strange silence of the brother who would put the very best face on the issue for muslims and CAIR? Silence. I think he is in custody
Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2015 03:23 PM (zOTsN)
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"Here's a sneak peek at BC and I's podcast which will be up tomorrow at 9:30 a.m. We discuss the very dark places one must go when considering the clusterfuck of all clusterfucks of the FBI saying we're good here on the apartment and that the visa was granted to someone who listed a false address."
Be careful about the "false address" claim.
If you translate addresses from weird foreign countries and then put them into Google maps, they may not exist...but they actually do, but the translation is horrible:
Source: trying to check Chinese addresses.
Also, our government is fully lazy and don't check anything anyways.
Check the box saying you're not a terrorist and they call that "screening."
Be careful about the "false address" claim.
If you translate addresses from weird foreign countries and then put them into Google maps, they may not exist...but they actually do, but the translation is horrible:
Source: trying to check Chinese addresses.
Also, our government is fully lazy and don't check anything anyways.
Check the box saying you're not a terrorist and they call that "screening."
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:23 PM (UBBWX)
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Somebody remind me why Jews overwhelmingly continue support Dems and by extension Obama and his/their Muslim friendly policies. I could understand some warped logic behind it it 15-20 years ago but anymore after the last 7 years it just seems suicidal. Does not compute.
Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at December 07, 2015 03:23 PM (1BQGO)
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>>>>Its when you start taking the book literally that things go bad
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No shit Mr. Obvious.
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No shit Mr. Obvious.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:24 PM (+c55T)
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140--al-Sisi, Karzai and Muslims like them are "against" the terrorists because they want to save their own ass. It has nothing to do with being nice to us, or protecting Christians or whatever; it's all about maintaining power and saving their ass.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2015 03:24 PM (gJT5J)
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Went to the range today.
17 shots, all in the torso 30' x 4
I do shoot a little to the left and low though.
Ima work on that.
17 shots, all in the torso 30' x 4
I do shoot a little to the left and low though.
Ima work on that.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:24 PM (Xo1Rt)
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This must be total war. No refugees. No prisoners. No quarter.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:08 PM (Xo1Rt)
I too favor the "Kaiser Soze Option"
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:08 PM (Xo1Rt)
I too favor the "Kaiser Soze Option"
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at December 07, 2015 03:25 PM (JOG+K)
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110 A boy's best friend is his mother.
Posted by: Norman Bates at December 07, 2015 03:18 PM (vBH2i)
Norman? NOOOOORRRRMAN!
Posted by: Norman Bates at December 07, 2015 03:18 PM (vBH2i)
Norman? NOOOOORRRRMAN!
Posted by: Norman Bates at December 07, 2015 03:25 PM (RD7QR)
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>>>>Rafia Farook may well be innocent of any deed,
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.If all of this is true, she is guilty of conspiracy to commit premeditated murder and terrorist acts before, during and after the fact.
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.If all of this is true, she is guilty of conspiracy to commit premeditated murder and terrorist acts before, during and after the fact.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 07, 2015 03:25 PM (iONHu)
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116 108 Lt Col Ralph Peters calls "Teh Boy King" a pussy
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 03:17 PM (/dSsq
Then he apologized to FNC for his "language". Pussy
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:19 PM (+c55T)
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I believe Stuart Varney told him to apologize. He is a paid contractor for Fox.
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 03:17 PM (/dSsq
Then he apologized to FNC for his "language". Pussy
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:19 PM (+c55T)
___________
I believe Stuart Varney told him to apologize. He is a paid contractor for Fox.
Posted by: olddog in mo at December 07, 2015 03:25 PM (3e8Ue)
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153
Somebody remind me why Jews overwhelmingly continue support Dems and by
extension Obama and his/their Muslim friendly policies. I could
understand some warped logic behind it it 15-20 years ago but anymore
after the last 7 years it just seems suicidal. Does not compute.
--
Stockholm Syndrome?
Liberals, not Jews?
Somebody remind me why Jews overwhelmingly continue support Dems and by
extension Obama and his/their Muslim friendly policies. I could
understand some warped logic behind it it 15-20 years ago but anymore
after the last 7 years it just seems suicidal. Does not compute.
--
Stockholm Syndrome?
Liberals, not Jews?
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at December 07, 2015 03:25 PM (9JJgN)
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148 142 No, it would be unfair to impose consequences on an American for what he believes or thinks.
Try even saying Merry Christmas...
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 03:23 PM (/dSsq
Issue a marriage license to a ghey or cater pizza at a ghey wedding?
Try even saying Merry Christmas...
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 03:23 PM (/dSsq
Issue a marriage license to a ghey or cater pizza at a ghey wedding?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:25 PM (+c55T)
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Go with me on this.
No, we in America, as a matter of principle, do not criminalize thoughtcrimes. You are free to believe whatever you choose to believe, so long as those believes don't lead to criminal ACTIONS, and then we punish the action, not the crime. That being said, if you come here from elsewhere, with beliefs that are violent and inimical to our nation, we have a right to close the door on you and not let you in.
Now, at least up until recently, everyone in America has the freedom to believe whatever they choose about the differences between ethnicities, so long as those beliefs don't result in actions. However, the Ku Klux Klan, the paramilitary wing of the Democrat Party, allowed their beliefs to lead to criminal actions - you know, lynchings, cross-burnings, and so on.
Similarly, CAIR and ICNA are organizations that promote and facilitate criminal actions. They not only believe that sharia is the right way to go, they actively support it, and they actively cover for those who carry out actions in support of that.
How are CAIR and ICNA different from the Klan? Are they not all militant organizations seeking to impose un-American societal strictures on this country? I mean, one wears a hijab and the other wears a hood; the core beliefs are different, but how are they now all deserving of equal condemnation?
No, we in America, as a matter of principle, do not criminalize thoughtcrimes. You are free to believe whatever you choose to believe, so long as those believes don't lead to criminal ACTIONS, and then we punish the action, not the crime. That being said, if you come here from elsewhere, with beliefs that are violent and inimical to our nation, we have a right to close the door on you and not let you in.
Now, at least up until recently, everyone in America has the freedom to believe whatever they choose about the differences between ethnicities, so long as those beliefs don't result in actions. However, the Ku Klux Klan, the paramilitary wing of the Democrat Party, allowed their beliefs to lead to criminal actions - you know, lynchings, cross-burnings, and so on.
Similarly, CAIR and ICNA are organizations that promote and facilitate criminal actions. They not only believe that sharia is the right way to go, they actively support it, and they actively cover for those who carry out actions in support of that.
How are CAIR and ICNA different from the Klan? Are they not all militant organizations seeking to impose un-American societal strictures on this country? I mean, one wears a hijab and the other wears a hood; the core beliefs are different, but how are they now all deserving of equal condemnation?
Posted by: Qoheleth at December 07, 2015 03:25 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: Tim in Illinois Old, Uniproved and TRUMP! for Emporer 2016 at December 07, 2015 03:26 PM (WVsWD)
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Islam is incompatible with free societies.
What the hell is our govt doing with 72 Muslims who are on terror watch lists working in our Homeland Security Dept??????????????
By the way, has CAIR apologized for that press conference the other night where they said, "We don't know the motive for these killings yet"?
What the hell is our govt doing with 72 Muslims who are on terror watch lists working in our Homeland Security Dept??????????????
By the way, has CAIR apologized for that press conference the other night where they said, "We don't know the motive for these killings yet"?
Posted by: Meremortal at December 07, 2015 03:26 PM (3myMJ)
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So what if just Fareek went out last week and did the shooting and his wife stayed home.
And then we'd be suspicious of his wife, right? But then Harun here would tell us to calm down.
So what if just Fareek went out last week and did the shooting and his wife stayed home.
And then we'd be suspicious of his wife, right? But then Harun here would tell us to calm down.
Posted by: Soothsayer, ho ho ho at December 07, 2015 03:26 PM (biZTx)
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What the hell is our govt doing with 72 Muslims who are on terror watch
lists working in our Homeland Security Dept??????????????
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Our Idiot King must prove we are not racist.
lists working in our Homeland Security Dept??????????????
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Our Idiot King must prove we are not racist.
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at December 07, 2015 03:27 PM (9JJgN)
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So if his wife stayed home last week while he did the shooting, what do you expect her to tell the police and the media?
That's right. She'd hook up with cair and tell everyone how 'shocked' she was Fareek did that.
So if his wife stayed home last week while he did the shooting, what do you expect her to tell the police and the media?
That's right. She'd hook up with cair and tell everyone how 'shocked' she was Fareek did that.
Posted by: Soothsayer, ho ho ho at December 07, 2015 03:28 PM (biZTx)
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I've been wondering about that 3rd "person" They swore there was one and then.... nothing.... suspicious to Me...
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 03:28 PM (/dSsq)
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No matter how long the fuse, a stick of dynamite is still a stick of dynamite.
Posted by: Garrett at December 07, 2015 03:28 PM (+rPUJ)
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as the most minimal of minima, asking would-be immigrants what they believe, ideologically and religiously, rather than taking the position that it's "unfair" to ask them that.
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"Have you ever advocated or do you believe in the violent overthrow of the US Government?" is a legitimate question still asked today. To believe in Sharia law is to answer in the affirmative and should be a disqualification for entry to the US or for US citizenship.
Did not see the presser or Preezy Cakeboy's Sunday night address to the dis-union but from what I have read of each, this lawyer asshat sounds like he echoed Teh Won asshat in defensive and who are you to judge spirit.
Remember too the Secretariat of State's recent "at least the Charlie Hedbo shooters had a reason" comments after the Paris attack. They are all cut of the same anti-US/Western cloth.
As far as the extremist/terrorist birthing group, ICNA, are they dedicated as such, anyone? Membership in it (and those like it) too should be a disqualification for entry to the US or for US citizenship.
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"Have you ever advocated or do you believe in the violent overthrow of the US Government?" is a legitimate question still asked today. To believe in Sharia law is to answer in the affirmative and should be a disqualification for entry to the US or for US citizenship.
Did not see the presser or Preezy Cakeboy's Sunday night address to the dis-union but from what I have read of each, this lawyer asshat sounds like he echoed Teh Won asshat in defensive and who are you to judge spirit.
Remember too the Secretariat of State's recent "at least the Charlie Hedbo shooters had a reason" comments after the Paris attack. They are all cut of the same anti-US/Western cloth.
As far as the extremist/terrorist birthing group, ICNA, are they dedicated as such, anyone? Membership in it (and those like it) too should be a disqualification for entry to the US or for US citizenship.
Posted by: eureka! not liking these times at December 07, 2015 03:28 PM (g1MTt)
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>>What the hell is our govt doing with 72 Muslims who are on terror watch lists working in our Homeland Security Dept??????????????
72, hmm, now where have I heard that number before?
72, hmm, now where have I heard that number before?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2015 03:29 PM (/tuJf)
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And how, pray tell, did this piece of work manage to get in the country? More top notch vetting at its finest?
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2015 03:29 PM (y1fTM)
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>>He wasn't a sudden Jihadi.
>>Dude has business cards and made power point presentations about Jihad.
What?
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Maj. Hassan.
He had cards that read Soldier of God.
He made power points about Jihad.
I would not classify that as "Sudden Jihad Syndrome"
Others, maybe.
>>Dude has business cards and made power point presentations about Jihad.
What?
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Maj. Hassan.
He had cards that read Soldier of God.
He made power points about Jihad.
I would not classify that as "Sudden Jihad Syndrome"
Others, maybe.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:29 PM (UBBWX)
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What the hell is our govt doing with 72 Muslims who are on terror watch lists working in our Homeland Security Dept??????????????
One for each virgin.
One for each virgin.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 07, 2015 03:29 PM (FkBIv)
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169 I've been wondering about that 3rd "person" They swore there was one and then.... nothing.... suspicious to Me...
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 03:28 PM (/dSsq
Looks like he might be the straw buyer from news accounts ive seen
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 03:28 PM (/dSsq
Looks like he might be the straw buyer from news accounts ive seen
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:30 PM (+c55T)
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This is so very much the story of Obama. (Apologies if this has already been posted.)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 07, 2015 03:30 PM (5buP8)
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I'm watching a movie. But it most certainly is NOT racist to fire those 72 mudlims on Terror Watch List!
At Homeland Security is a sick joke, on U. S. !!!
At Homeland Security is a sick joke, on U. S. !!!
Posted by: Carol at December 07, 2015 03:30 PM (sj3Ax)
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If you translate addresses from weird foreign countries and then put them into Google maps, they may not exist...but they actually do, but the translation is horrible:
Source: trying to check Chinese addresses.
Address for Mr. Chin in the Hong Kong directory?
Source: trying to check Chinese addresses.
Address for Mr. Chin in the Hong Kong directory?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2015 03:30 PM (MZVOx)
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153, I'm not Jewish and I don't want to ruffle feathers but it is my contention that Jews support Democrats because they think that those who support Republicans are mostly uneducated hicks, rubes and dimwits--people no Jew would wish to be associated with.
It's no secret that Jews value brains and education and professional credentials--which is one reason they mostly swooned over Obama's high-flown rhetoric and perfectly creased pants.
It's no secret that Jews value brains and education and professional credentials--which is one reason they mostly swooned over Obama's high-flown rhetoric and perfectly creased pants.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2015 03:30 PM (gJT5J)
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Nice conspiracy theory. FBI gets signal from Powers That Be to close down apartment investigation since it is gathering inconvenient information. Agents close it off and says it's all yours to the manager and hint hint nudge nudge say no more maybe the news media are interested in peeking inside.
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at December 07, 2015 03:30 PM (gjGXC)
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Looks like he might be the straw buyer from news accounts ive seen
Yeah, but was He with them? Remember they said the saw another running...
Looks like he might be the straw buyer from news accounts ive seen
Yeah, but was He with them? Remember they said the saw another running...
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 03:30 PM (/dSsq)
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Let's not lose our heads over this.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 07, 2015 03:31 PM (nFdGS)
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I do not believe ANY of them are "sudden jihad syndrome"
and neither are these to. and neither is the grandma. and who knows about the rest of the family
and neither are these to. and neither is the grandma. and who knows about the rest of the family
Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2015 03:31 PM (zOTsN)
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Yo!
Posted by: Yo! at December 07, 2015 03:31 PM (GwIKd)
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This is Farooked up.
Posted by: despair at December 07, 2015 03:31 PM (VrdxH)
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Big Government works so well we need to grow it some more. Stuff Manhattan Media believes.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 07, 2015 03:31 PM (oDCMR)
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But it most certainly is NOT racist to fire those 72 mudlims on Terror Watch List!
At Homeland Security is a sick joke, on U. S. !!!
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Yes. It most definitely is.
At Homeland Security is a sick joke, on U. S. !!!
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Yes. It most definitely is.
Posted by: THE DOJ at December 07, 2015 03:31 PM (9JJgN)
Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2015 03:32 PM (gJT5J)
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>>Maj. Hassan.
He had cards that read Soldier of God.
He made power points about Jihad.
I would not classify that as "Sudden Jihad Syndrome"
>>Others, maybe.
The point is that everyone was told not to rush to judgement on Hassan despite the fact that he had done many things to point out that he had gone off the reservation. Nobody did anything until after he slaughtered all those people at Ft. Hood.
So perhaps jumping to some conclusions a little quicker might not be such a bad idea.
He had cards that read Soldier of God.
He made power points about Jihad.
I would not classify that as "Sudden Jihad Syndrome"
>>Others, maybe.
The point is that everyone was told not to rush to judgement on Hassan despite the fact that he had done many things to point out that he had gone off the reservation. Nobody did anything until after he slaughtered all those people at Ft. Hood.
So perhaps jumping to some conclusions a little quicker might not be such a bad idea.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2015 03:32 PM (/tuJf)
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No one is accusing Mama Rafia Farouk of any crime at this point.
No one accused Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, mother of the infamous Tsarnaev brothers, of participating in the Boston bombing.
We're just saying a lot of this Muslim hate seems to run in the families, and their mammas seem to have prior knowledge of the plans and a hand in fostering those beliefs. Mammas, don't let your babies grow up to be terrorists...
No one accused Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, mother of the infamous Tsarnaev brothers, of participating in the Boston bombing.
We're just saying a lot of this Muslim hate seems to run in the families, and their mammas seem to have prior knowledge of the plans and a hand in fostering those beliefs. Mammas, don't let your babies grow up to be terrorists...
Posted by: Qoheleth at December 07, 2015 03:32 PM (iIzG7)
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TFG called and wants to know why he is being called a pussy when he is doing all he can to stop Climate Change.
Posted by: MTF at December 07, 2015 03:32 PM (TxJGV)
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We should support them instead of supporting their opposition.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 07, 2015 03:21 PM (5f5bM)
But we're not, and the left actively opposes them in favor of "authentic" "Terror Islam."
I've posted the names of some groups but I have a hard time remembering them, some of them ally under the name Muslim Reform Movement, and most of them are HQ'd in the West so they don't get killed.
They're not in the majority, but they need help - because it's either reform (against the wishes of every major authority in Islam) or perpetual war.
This is the part that freaks people out, we *expect* in the west that radicals are a small percentage, and in Islam it's *at least* a slim majority and sometimes a great majority. There are a lot of other factors in that, like famously "liberal" Iranians who lie about their allegiances to stay safe from the police.
In either case, right now, these groups are largely ignored by the right (see all the comments above about how they don't exist) and shat upon by the left because the left has allied itself with the MoBros and the Iranians, insanely.
Possibly the worst part is the people who fought hard in Iraq alongside us and then we abandoned them. Some tried to emigrate and were denied, and some of them were killed, and some stayed to fight and we didn't help them.
That's really depressing.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 07, 2015 03:21 PM (5f5bM)
But we're not, and the left actively opposes them in favor of "authentic" "Terror Islam."
I've posted the names of some groups but I have a hard time remembering them, some of them ally under the name Muslim Reform Movement, and most of them are HQ'd in the West so they don't get killed.
They're not in the majority, but they need help - because it's either reform (against the wishes of every major authority in Islam) or perpetual war.
This is the part that freaks people out, we *expect* in the west that radicals are a small percentage, and in Islam it's *at least* a slim majority and sometimes a great majority. There are a lot of other factors in that, like famously "liberal" Iranians who lie about their allegiances to stay safe from the police.
In either case, right now, these groups are largely ignored by the right (see all the comments above about how they don't exist) and shat upon by the left because the left has allied itself with the MoBros and the Iranians, insanely.
Possibly the worst part is the people who fought hard in Iraq alongside us and then we abandoned them. Some tried to emigrate and were denied, and some of them were killed, and some stayed to fight and we didn't help them.
That's really depressing.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 07, 2015 03:32 PM (bLnSU)
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KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST.
Membership in obama's military is no guarantee of loyalty to America.
Membership in obama's military is no guarantee of loyalty to America.
Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 03:32 PM (ZbV+0)
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Something about Farook's whole family is making my radar ping. Joker and speedbump's family was the same way, and look how they turned out.
BUT, I have known quite a few Persian/Arabs in my life, for one reason or other; some Muslim some Christian, some nothing (very true of Americanized Muslim kids, that eschew the Muslim religion later on.)
Smart and opinionated and nice, yes even the Muslim women. To paint them all with the broad brush of lock them up or export is overshooting it a bit.
But this family...
BUT, I have known quite a few Persian/Arabs in my life, for one reason or other; some Muslim some Christian, some nothing (very true of Americanized Muslim kids, that eschew the Muslim religion later on.)
Smart and opinionated and nice, yes even the Muslim women. To paint them all with the broad brush of lock them up or export is overshooting it a bit.
But this family...
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 03:33 PM (hvf9s)
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I'm a Christian and I believe what the Bible tells me. Especially the NT.
If you're a Muslim and believe in the Koran, why would I believe you that you do not want to kill me if I do not convert?
If you're a Muslim and believe in the Koran, why would I believe you that you do not want to kill me if I do not convert?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:33 PM (+c55T)
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straw buyer was hispanic kid that was their neighbor before the moved to the Bomb Palace in Riverside. Bought the guns a couple of years ago. When he realised police were looking for him, he checked himself into a mental hospital and police say they have not been able to question him.
straw buyer was hispanic kid that was their neighbor before the moved to the Bomb Palace in Riverside. Bought the guns a couple of years ago. When he realised police were looking for him, he checked himself into a mental hospital and police say they have not been able to question him.
Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2015 03:33 PM (zOTsN)
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"And then we'd be suspicious of his wife, right? But then Harun here would tell us to calm down."
Until the cops searched the house and found a pipe bomb factory and her pledge of allegiance to ISIS.
I'm also suspicious of the mom.
Just lay off the brother who served until more facts come out...if he's suspicious, then fine...investigate.
Until the cops searched the house and found a pipe bomb factory and her pledge of allegiance to ISIS.
I'm also suspicious of the mom.
Just lay off the brother who served until more facts come out...if he's suspicious, then fine...investigate.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:33 PM (UBBWX)
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Those same lawyers said the FBI interrogated her for eight hours and then only released her on condition of the other brother coming in for questioning.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 07, 2015 03:33 PM (mcm0N)
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Keep in mind, if these two terrorists had decided a Christmas Eve Mass would make a better target:
They'd be free as a bird right now.
There's not one fucking list they'd be on.
No one would dare call the police on their suspicious activities.
They'd STILL be one of those "good" moslums we're told over and over and over about who don't want to kill Americans.
They'd be free as a bird right now.
There's not one fucking list they'd be on.
No one would dare call the police on their suspicious activities.
They'd STILL be one of those "good" moslums we're told over and over and over about who don't want to kill Americans.
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 07, 2015 03:33 PM (fQ/0p)
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As you can see right here on this thread, the work toward the subjection of free societies to Islam has a hard side and a soft side.
Both have been very effective.
Both have been very effective.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 07, 2015 03:33 PM (3myMJ)
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There are so many things to say, most of them will get a person banned, but suffice it to say that most of what ails us stems from a corrupted notion of what America is, was and should be.
Importing millions upon millions of people from the third world shit holes of this planet simply diminishes us and has been diminishing us.
Importing people with ideologies that are simply incompatible with western democracy is suicidal.
This trancends party, the elites have become suicidal and are intent on brining as many of us to the ash heap with them.
They must be stopped.
Importing millions upon millions of people from the third world shit holes of this planet simply diminishes us and has been diminishing us.
Importing people with ideologies that are simply incompatible with western democracy is suicidal.
This trancends party, the elites have become suicidal and are intent on brining as many of us to the ash heap with them.
They must be stopped.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 07, 2015 03:33 PM (5077e)
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Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:33 PM (UBBWX)
Don't you have a CAIR meeting to attend somewhere?
Don't you have a CAIR meeting to attend somewhere?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:34 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Studies have already demonstrated that so-called moderate Muslims support violent jihad in large numbers. Those few who do not need to come to grips with the fact that they are apostates. They need to choose a different belief system that makes sense. Until they do so, they must be lumped in with all the others they fail to denounce.
Anyway, wishing for any of the muz to stick their necks out and denounce friends and family is a waste of time. Why would they do anything other than what they have done so far? America does not expect anything from them and imposes no penalty for their bad behavior. Americans are committed to suicidal tolerance of an evil death cult. The adherents of that vile belief system will exploit that folly. We will continue to eat the bitter fruit of that childish, unsophisticated world view. Each year will see more and more attacks, until it's like living in Israel. So preventable, yet seemingly so inevitable with all the limp-wrist bleeding hearts in charge...
Anyway, wishing for any of the muz to stick their necks out and denounce friends and family is a waste of time. Why would they do anything other than what they have done so far? America does not expect anything from them and imposes no penalty for their bad behavior. Americans are committed to suicidal tolerance of an evil death cult. The adherents of that vile belief system will exploit that folly. We will continue to eat the bitter fruit of that childish, unsophisticated world view. Each year will see more and more attacks, until it's like living in Israel. So preventable, yet seemingly so inevitable with all the limp-wrist bleeding hearts in charge...
Posted by: Reactionary at December 07, 2015 03:34 PM (reacA)
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That's why the FBI allowing the media into that apartment was so shocking. They didn't really know what they were looking at during the first 48 hours, so they don't know what was relevant evidence or not.
This revelation about the mother opens up a whole new facet about homegrown jihadists that needs to be investigated.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 07, 2015 03:05 PM (NjiZL)
The whole apartment should have been emptied. Maybe some loyal FBI left agent left things behind for the press to find know that there was going to be a cover-up......Yeah right.
This revelation about the mother opens up a whole new facet about homegrown jihadists that needs to be investigated.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 07, 2015 03:05 PM (NjiZL)
The whole apartment should have been emptied. Maybe some loyal FBI left agent left things behind for the press to find know that there was going to be a cover-up......Yeah right.
Posted by: WOPR at December 07, 2015 03:34 PM (LTDSy)
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165 Islam is incompatible with free societies.
What the hell is our govt doing with 72 Muslims who are on terror watch lists working in our Homeland Security Dept??????????????
I'm guessing that DHS knows (Like everyone knows) that that list is total bullshit.
What the hell is our govt doing with 72 Muslims who are on terror watch lists working in our Homeland Security Dept??????????????
I'm guessing that DHS knows (Like everyone knows) that that list is total bullshit.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at December 07, 2015 03:34 PM (JOG+K)
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Take no other case than Maj jihad at Ft. Hood on military vs U.S. loyalty
Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2015 03:35 PM (k0xxN)
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DHS' "Watch List" is aptly named.
They WATCH the terrorists come into the country.
They WATCH them get hired at DHS.
They WATCH the carnage on the evening news.
They WATCH the terrorists come into the country.
They WATCH them get hired at DHS.
They WATCH the carnage on the evening news.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 07, 2015 03:35 PM (NjiZL)
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"I'm a Christian and I believe what the Bible tells me. Especially the NT.
If you're a Muslim and believe in the Koran, why would I believe you that you do not want to kill me if I do not convert?"
Why not the Old Testament?
I also believe that a very true believer of Islam could very well believe in Jihad and all that.
ISIS doesn't get 40,000 foreign fighters from obscure interpretations.
If you're a Muslim and believe in the Koran, why would I believe you that you do not want to kill me if I do not convert?"
Why not the Old Testament?
I also believe that a very true believer of Islam could very well believe in Jihad and all that.
ISIS doesn't get 40,000 foreign fighters from obscure interpretations.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:35 PM (UBBWX)
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153 Somebody remind me why Jews overwhelmingly continue support Dems and by extension Obama and his/their Muslim friendly policies. I could understand some warped logic behind it it 15-20 years ago but anymore after the last 7 years it just seems suicidal. Does not compute.
Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at December 07, 2015 03:23 PM (1BQGO)
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Most of them walked willingly to the train station where the cattle cars were waIting.
Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at December 07, 2015 03:23 PM (1BQGO)
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Most of them walked willingly to the train station where the cattle cars were waIting.
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 03:35 PM (Fmupd)
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@181...I thought that early (hoped it, actually), that there are still patriots in the FBI. The mama's expired driver's licence on bed. Passports, etc. They knew the media would be all over this...and good for all. Otherwise, like the Oregon coward's mama, black, liked guns, she would be disappeared.
The photo of the coward jihadi couple at immigration/customs when she entered country says a lot. Both look miffed at her having to show her ugly evil face. Both of them, look at ole Farook's fart face.
I say keep them all out starting a long time ago. The student visas should stop. All visas should stop from the Middle East. Too bad, so sad.
The photo of the coward jihadi couple at immigration/customs when she entered country says a lot. Both look miffed at her having to show her ugly evil face. Both of them, look at ole Farook's fart face.
I say keep them all out starting a long time ago. The student visas should stop. All visas should stop from the Middle East. Too bad, so sad.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 03:36 PM (7lqMl)
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in the face of pipe bombs, the obvious answer is gun control *eyeroll*
Now to catch up with comments...
Now to catch up with comments...
Posted by: Lea at December 07, 2015 03:36 PM (DlvnJ)
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"Don't you have a CAIR meeting to attend somewhere?"
LOL, why would you think I am a member of CAIR?
LOL, why would you think I am a member of CAIR?
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:36 PM (UBBWX)
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Well screw Mom and the camel she rode in on too.
Posted by: Comanche Voter at December 07, 2015 03:36 PM (Sda6L)
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What the hell is our govt doing with 72 Muslims who are on terror watch lists working in our Homeland Security Dept??????????????
I'm guessing that DHS knows (Like everyone knows) that that list is total bullshit.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at December 07, 2015 03:34 PM (JOG+K)
Terrific. Nothing beats guesswork when it comes to terrorists.
I'm guessing that DHS knows (Like everyone knows) that that list is total bullshit.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at December 07, 2015 03:34 PM (JOG+K)
Terrific. Nothing beats guesswork when it comes to terrorists.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 07, 2015 03:36 PM (3myMJ)
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Ace
There's enough reason to investigate Farook's mother just based on the fact that she lived with them in pipe bomb making by Farook--central.
There's enough reason to investigate Farook's mother just based on the fact that she lived with them in pipe bomb making by Farook--central.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 07, 2015 03:37 PM (mcm0N)
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Yeah, but was He with them? Remember they said the saw another running...Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 03:30 PM (/dSsq
I've heard it was a guy with outstanding arrest warrants who heard police sirens approaching and decided to get outta Dodge. They caught him, btw.
I've heard it was a guy with outstanding arrest warrants who heard police sirens approaching and decided to get outta Dodge. They caught him, btw.
Posted by: free range jihadist at December 07, 2015 03:37 PM (7v/r5)
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Just lay off the brother who served until more facts come out...
Posted by: Harun
No.
Anything else you'd CAIR -- err -- care to tell us to do?
Just lay off the brother who served until more facts come out...
Posted by: Harun
No.
Anything else you'd CAIR -- err -- care to tell us to do?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 07, 2015 03:37 PM (kdS6q)
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I'm not Jewish and I don't want to ruffle feathers but it is my contention that Jews support Democrats because they think that those who support Republicans are mostly uneducated hicks, rubes and dimwits--people no Jew would wish to be associated with.
It's no secret that Jews value brains and education and professional credentials--which is one reason they mostly swooned over Obama's high-flown rhetoric and perfectly creased pants.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2015 03:30 PM (gJT5J)
Yeah that's not it.
It's no secret that Jews value brains and education and professional credentials--which is one reason they mostly swooned over Obama's high-flown rhetoric and perfectly creased pants.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2015 03:30 PM (gJT5J)
Yeah that's not it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 03:37 PM (gf8BH)
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KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST.
So, let's not go off the deep end.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:07 PM (UBBWX)
And you know he isn't how?
Muslim in army during second Gulf war decided to frag a few people with a grenade. Oh and have you met Maj. Hasan?
So, let's not go off the deep end.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:07 PM (UBBWX)
And you know he isn't how?
Muslim in army during second Gulf war decided to frag a few people with a grenade. Oh and have you met Maj. Hasan?
Posted by: WOPR at December 07, 2015 03:37 PM (LTDSy)
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If there is evidence against a specific person, then fine. If not, then calm down.
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There's no need for evidence in war. Wear the enemies' uniform? Support the war effort through taxes? Do anything short of all available force to undermine the enemy when you are one of their people?
Then you're a legitimate target until such time as the enemy is eradicated and the war is over.
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There's no need for evidence in war. Wear the enemies' uniform? Support the war effort through taxes? Do anything short of all available force to undermine the enemy when you are one of their people?
Then you're a legitimate target until such time as the enemy is eradicated and the war is over.
Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 03:38 PM (ZbV+0)
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We should allow the Muslim terrorists in our midst to openly prosteletize.
It would be just like how we allowed the American Bund to fundraise for Wehrmacht Western Front Winter Relief in the US during WW2.
(and yes that is sarcasm.)
It would be just like how we allowed the American Bund to fundraise for Wehrmacht Western Front Winter Relief in the US during WW2.
(and yes that is sarcasm.)
Posted by: rd at December 07, 2015 03:38 PM (Ltj2h)
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195: "Smart and opinionated and nice, yes even the Muslim women. To paint them all with the broad brush of lock them up or export is overshooting it a bit.'
There are always some good and decent people in a large group. They are generally referred to as the innocents.
The problem is, that in any conflict or war, innocents are harmed. But there is harm, and then there is inconvenience.
I don't think there is anyone (except maybe hector) that is saying or hearing calls to lock them all up or deport all of them. I believe that the common refrain is to bar their entry.
Their desire to come to America does not outweigh our right (and need) to preserve our lives and our culture.
There are always some good and decent people in a large group. They are generally referred to as the innocents.
The problem is, that in any conflict or war, innocents are harmed. But there is harm, and then there is inconvenience.
I don't think there is anyone (except maybe hector) that is saying or hearing calls to lock them all up or deport all of them. I believe that the common refrain is to bar their entry.
Their desire to come to America does not outweigh our right (and need) to preserve our lives and our culture.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 03:38 PM (UPYPp)
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No Muslim's feelings were hurt in the making of this Apocalypse.
Posted by: Pastorius at December 07, 2015 03:38 PM (gMAUH)
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This trancends party, the elites have become suicidal and are intent on brining as many of us to the ash heap with them.
They must be stopped.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 07, 2015 03:33 PM (507
Agreed. I'm tired of hearing that America is a Christian Country. It is not. It holds Judeo-Christian values, but it is neither a Jewish country or a Christian Country. The elected officials are sworn to uphold the Constitution. They are to look out for our welfare, not the welfare of people half way around the world.
If you feel as a Christian or any other faith you have an obligation to help the Syrians for example. Go over there and help them. We do not need to bring them here. The neighbors of Syria should be assisting those who flee. Not enabling them to bring disease and chaos to other parts of the world.
They must be stopped.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 07, 2015 03:33 PM (507
Agreed. I'm tired of hearing that America is a Christian Country. It is not. It holds Judeo-Christian values, but it is neither a Jewish country or a Christian Country. The elected officials are sworn to uphold the Constitution. They are to look out for our welfare, not the welfare of people half way around the world.
If you feel as a Christian or any other faith you have an obligation to help the Syrians for example. Go over there and help them. We do not need to bring them here. The neighbors of Syria should be assisting those who flee. Not enabling them to bring disease and chaos to other parts of the world.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:38 PM (+c55T)
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Jeezuz there was a huge bag of "Burn FIX" in the door of the fridge. Looks like Farook might have had some pipe bomb making injuries.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 07, 2015 03:39 PM (mcm0N)
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Beauty is only skin deep.
Ugly goes to the bone.
And as a rule, most jihadis or radical Islamists all pretty much got that evil red eyed look.
(excepting dream boat tsarnaev. I don't know how he missed the ugly stick. He just may be a cretin or was just following his brother. Or another momma's boy. Remember how his Mom was a fanatic Islamist too?
Donald's right (again) go after the Islamist women. They're more poisonous than the men.
Ugly goes to the bone.
And as a rule, most jihadis or radical Islamists all pretty much got that evil red eyed look.
(excepting dream boat tsarnaev. I don't know how he missed the ugly stick. He just may be a cretin or was just following his brother. Or another momma's boy. Remember how his Mom was a fanatic Islamist too?
Donald's right (again) go after the Islamist women. They're more poisonous than the men.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:39 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Rafia Farook, Mother of Terrorist Killer Syed Farook, Is Member of Hardline Islamic Society
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Well, tear my arm off.
Rafia Farook, Mother of Terrorist Killer Syed Farook, Is Member of Hardline Islamic Society
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Well, tear my arm off.
Posted by: Inspector Krough at December 07, 2015 03:39 PM (HgMAr)
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Dennis Prager often tries to explain why Jews are often hard core lefties. Other than he often says most are leftists first and Jewish second
Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2015 03:39 PM (k0xxN)
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Everyone here should be CAIRful in assuming the name Harun is a Muslim name...or my real name at all!
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:39 PM (UBBWX)
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Meanwhile, the New York Daily News has lost its nut entirely:
http://tinyurl.com/guwgqtg
I figure they know they're going out of business, so the lefties there are just going hog wild printing what they always wished they could. Or maybe they figure being the leftist version of National Enquirer is a great business model.
http://tinyurl.com/guwgqtg
I figure they know they're going out of business, so the lefties there are just going hog wild printing what they always wished they could. Or maybe they figure being the leftist version of National Enquirer is a great business model.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:40 PM (39g3+)
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I believe they were living with the mama and a sister? Could be wrong...but if you were living in house and not deaf and blind, no way did you not know about their radicalized bs and the pipe bombs.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 03:40 PM (7lqMl)
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LOL, why would you think I am a member of CAIR?
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:36 PM (UBBWX)
Same talking points.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:36 PM (UBBWX)
Same talking points.
Posted by: Meremortal at December 07, 2015 03:40 PM (3myMJ)
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Can we now stop with the fiction that there are "moderate" muslims? They all want to kill us, its just some are too lazy to get their hands dirty.
I think some non-muslims have been reluctant to call out the entirety of the Umma because of the justifiable fear that any tactic used against Islam would be used against their religion as well. However, our society is in mortal danger from a group of unrepentant, unreformable, fanatics. They must be confronted, expelled, and their ideology destroyed. We have to stop thinking of Islam as a religion, and recognize it as the totalitarian anti-democratic philosophy it is.
I think some non-muslims have been reluctant to call out the entirety of the Umma because of the justifiable fear that any tactic used against Islam would be used against their religion as well. However, our society is in mortal danger from a group of unrepentant, unreformable, fanatics. They must be confronted, expelled, and their ideology destroyed. We have to stop thinking of Islam as a religion, and recognize it as the totalitarian anti-democratic philosophy it is.
Posted by: Iblis at December 07, 2015 03:41 PM (9221z)
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DHS' "Watch List" is aptly named.
They WATCH the terrorists come into the country.
They WATCH them get hired at DHS.
They WATCH the carnage on the evening news.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot
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They WATCH porn on their government computers all day.
DHS' "Watch List" is aptly named.
They WATCH the terrorists come into the country.
They WATCH them get hired at DHS.
They WATCH the carnage on the evening news.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot
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They WATCH porn on their government computers all day.
Posted by: wth at December 07, 2015 03:41 PM (HgMAr)
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Yeah that's not it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 03:37 PM (gf8BH
NGU, honestly what is the reason NGU? I'm not being sarcastic. I would like your POV. If you have given it before in the past I have missed it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 03:37 PM (gf8BH
NGU, honestly what is the reason NGU? I'm not being sarcastic. I would like your POV. If you have given it before in the past I have missed it.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:41 PM (+c55T)
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plink
Posted by: Mortimer at December 07, 2015 03:41 PM (0dcbp)
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"...affiliation with ICNA was revealed on Friday when MSNBC and other new outlets scoured the Farooks' apartment in Redlands, Cal. An MSNBC reporter found a certificate of appreciation presented to Safia Farook last summer by ICNA's sisters' wing."
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How much weight should be given to any so-called "evidence" that came out of that clusterfark of a compromised crime scene?
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How much weight should be given to any so-called "evidence" that came out of that clusterfark of a compromised crime scene?
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 07, 2015 03:41 PM (NeFrd)
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204 reactionary
I agree, and I can tell you that those involved in "inter-faith dialogue" with Muslims also agree.
But they will only tell you this privately.
I agree, and I can tell you that those involved in "inter-faith dialogue" with Muslims also agree.
But they will only tell you this privately.
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 03:42 PM (IUhaV)
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oops
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 07, 2015 03:42 PM (NeFrd)
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So now if people disagree with your 100% solution they're members of a terror-affiliated front group?
Is that what you are now?
Is that what you are now?
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 07, 2015 03:42 PM (bLnSU)
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Other than he often says most are leftists first and Jewish second
Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2015 03:39 PM (k0xxN)
Most Jews in America are secular and have only a passing interest or knowledge about both the Jewish Religion, Jewish Culture, or Israel.
Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2015 03:39 PM (k0xxN)
Most Jews in America are secular and have only a passing interest or knowledge about both the Jewish Religion, Jewish Culture, or Israel.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 03:42 PM (gf8BH)
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You know that Eva Braun was a polite lady who never did anyone any harm.
And Hitler loved dogs and was a vegetarian.
The list could go on and on.
So let's not let evil dress up in sheep's clothing and claim they shouldn't be sheered.
And Hitler loved dogs and was a vegetarian.
The list could go on and on.
So let's not let evil dress up in sheep's clothing and claim they shouldn't be sheered.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:42 PM (Xo1Rt)
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>>> Somebody remind me why Jews overwhelmingly continue support Dems and by extension Obama and his/their Muslim friendly policies. I could understand some warped logic behind it it 15-20 years ago but anymore after the last 7 years it just seems suicidal. Does not compute. Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at December 07, 2015 03:23 PM (1BQGO)
Ben Shapiro did a video giving a pretty good rundown as to why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5IqH7oJ9h4
Ben Shapiro did a video giving a pretty good rundown as to why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5IqH7oJ9h4
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 03:42 PM (hvf9s)
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Farooks affiliation with ICNA was revealed on Friday when MSNBC and other new outlets scoured the Farooks apartment in Redlands, Cal.
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Then that shit was planted!
/sorry, its inadmissible.
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Then that shit was planted!
/sorry, its inadmissible.
Posted by: Bigby's Left Hook at December 07, 2015 03:43 PM (3ZtZW)
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203 Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:33 PM (UBBWX)
Don't you have a CAIR meeting to attend somewhere?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:34 PM (Xo1Rt)
Give it a break, he's making sense.
The CAIR spokesmen and Reza Aslans of the world are the slimiest scumsuckers of them all, don't go bandying that shit about.
Don't you have a CAIR meeting to attend somewhere?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:34 PM (Xo1Rt)
Give it a break, he's making sense.
The CAIR spokesmen and Reza Aslans of the world are the slimiest scumsuckers of them all, don't go bandying that shit about.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 07, 2015 03:43 PM (FfVIs)
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195 Smart and opinionated and nice, yes even the Muslim women. To paint them all with the broad brush of lock them up or export is overshooting it a bit.
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 03:33 PM
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My kids went to schools with plenty of Muslim classmates, and we know both Iranian and Arab families. Most are just the exact same as you and me, though the Arabs are a little silent (I will admit) when Israel comes up in conversation. Not the Iranians, they love to talk about Israel and most think Israel is just fine (they think the Arabs are a bunch of yahoos).
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 03:33 PM
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My kids went to schools with plenty of Muslim classmates, and we know both Iranian and Arab families. Most are just the exact same as you and me, though the Arabs are a little silent (I will admit) when Israel comes up in conversation. Not the Iranians, they love to talk about Israel and most think Israel is just fine (they think the Arabs are a bunch of yahoos).
Posted by: MTF at December 07, 2015 03:43 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 03:43 PM (IUhaV)
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Jeezuz there was a huge bag of "Burn FIX" in the door of the fridge. Looks like Farook might have had some pipe bomb making injuries.
Posted by: Danube River Guide
What type of explosive did they use?
Posted by: Danube River Guide
What type of explosive did they use?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 07, 2015 03:43 PM (FkBIv)
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Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 03:33 PM (hvf9s)
Most Persians that I know are the same and I think it's
because they fled Iran because of the extremism, so they aren't inclined to that mindset.
Most Persians that I know are the same and I think it's
because they fled Iran because of the extremism, so they aren't inclined to that mindset.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2015 03:43 PM (y1fTM)
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They cant watch all the muslim terrorist/enablers in this country. It's impossible. That is why you dont let them in period.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 07, 2015 03:44 PM (iQIUe)
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I am so freakin' sick of being lectured after each terror attack, here and overseas (Paris, Charlie Hebdo, Australia, etc.) that *I* need to clean up my act. I'm not the one actively hating people, not the one planning to punish random strangers for whatever the latest Muslim rage-inspiring event is this week.
No. Nonononononononononono.
Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutup!!!
Ugh.
No. Nonononononononononono.
Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutup!!!
Ugh.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2015 03:44 PM (NOIQH)
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Reza is a fucking "creative writing" professor, not a scholar of Islam.
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 03:44 PM (IUhaV)
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This is what we get for trying to be nice and let the Saudis keep their oil, instead of telling the camel-humpers to pound all that sand they've got. If they had no money, they'd never have been able to fund all their fundamentalist shit.
Posted by: Iblis at December 07, 2015 03:44 PM (9221z)
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Fore!
Posted by: President Dickless at December 07, 2015 03:44 PM (hudka)
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Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:39 PM (UBBWX)
I'm not judging by your nic. I'm judging what you say, how you say it and under what circumstances.
You're arguing things that don't make any sense and don't deserve much weight when attached to the subject at hand.
You're solutions all have the same flavor and blend very well with the intentions and objectives of CAIR.
I'm not judging by your nic. I'm judging what you say, how you say it and under what circumstances.
You're arguing things that don't make any sense and don't deserve much weight when attached to the subject at hand.
You're solutions all have the same flavor and blend very well with the intentions and objectives of CAIR.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:44 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Oh Hand of Count Petofi, short answer as to why Jews vote dem: Secular leftism is their actual religion.
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 03:44 PM (hvf9s)
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I say keep them all out starting a long time ago. The student visas should stop. All visas should stop from the Middle East. Too bad, so sad.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 03:36 PM (7lqMl)
Do you know how much money the colleges make off of foreign students? Get rid of the mid-eastern students and college administrators might have to take a pay cut. Better some random schlubs in America get whacked by the Terrorists.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 03:36 PM (7lqMl)
Do you know how much money the colleges make off of foreign students? Get rid of the mid-eastern students and college administrators might have to take a pay cut. Better some random schlubs in America get whacked by the Terrorists.
Posted by: rd at December 07, 2015 03:44 PM (Ltj2h)
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@249..yeah, I saw that, too. Also saw the gigantic bottle of Pepto Bismal on the kitchen counter and thought, good, one of 'em had the trots before they ate asphalt.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 03:45 PM (7lqMl)
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NGU, honestly what is the reason NGU? I'm not being sarcastic. I would like your POV. If you have given it before in the past I have missed it.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:41 PM (+c55T)
Most Jews in America are secular and have only a passing interest or knowledge about both the Jewish Religion, Jewish Culture, or Israel.
And these "Secular" Jews, their religion is mostly Liberal and Democratic. That is an historical thing, some what related to politics but also to the fact that in the early 1900s and on into WW2, the Republican party was isolationist, against immigration of THOSE people, and also anti-semetic.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:41 PM (+c55T)
Most Jews in America are secular and have only a passing interest or knowledge about both the Jewish Religion, Jewish Culture, or Israel.
And these "Secular" Jews, their religion is mostly Liberal and Democratic. That is an historical thing, some what related to politics but also to the fact that in the early 1900s and on into WW2, the Republican party was isolationist, against immigration of THOSE people, and also anti-semetic.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 03:45 PM (gf8BH)
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Ok I know Hotair is somewhat derided here but article about Ralph Peters called Barak a "Total Pussy" on Fox News.
To f-in funny
To f-in funny
Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2015 03:45 PM (k0xxN)
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 03:45 PM (IUhaV)
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Why not the Old Testament?
I also believe that a very true believer of Islam could very well believe in Jihad and all that.
ISIS doesn't get 40,000 foreign fighters from obscure interpretations.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:35 PM (UBBWX
I believe the OT as well. However, with Jesus' coming, death and resurrection the laws of the OT were null and void. As a Christian i am to love my fellow man. However as I earlier pointed out. Our country is not religion
Also my NT tells me to preach the Gospel not to behead the unbelievers.
Harun you sound like an apologist sympathizer.
I also believe that a very true believer of Islam could very well believe in Jihad and all that.
ISIS doesn't get 40,000 foreign fighters from obscure interpretations.
Posted by: Harun at December 07, 2015 03:35 PM (UBBWX
I believe the OT as well. However, with Jesus' coming, death and resurrection the laws of the OT were null and void. As a Christian i am to love my fellow man. However as I earlier pointed out. Our country is not religion
Also my NT tells me to preach the Gospel not to behead the unbelievers.
Harun you sound like an apologist sympathizer.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:45 PM (+c55T)
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Hey, let's import more of 'em!
Posted by: Paul Ryan and Barry O. at December 07, 2015 03:45 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Bigby's Left Hook at December 07, 2015 03:46 PM (3ZtZW)
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204--yes but I also think that left to their own devices-and among each other--most of the Left must realize what murderous thugs some Muslims are--and how much support those thugs receive from so-called Moderate Muslims.
But they have invested a lifetime of thinking that everything WE (call it the Right if you will) is so racist and homophobic and everything else, that they reflexively take the opposite side. On anything and everything. They can't help themselves--even though it's their destruction as well as ours.
But they have invested a lifetime of thinking that everything WE (call it the Right if you will) is so racist and homophobic and everything else, that they reflexively take the opposite side. On anything and everything. They can't help themselves--even though it's their destruction as well as ours.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2015 03:47 PM (gJT5J)
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Guys I know some Muslims, and they aren't double secret psycho jihadis just waiting to be activated. There seems to be 4 groups out there:
1) Lunatic extremists one push button away from triggering their bomb belt
2) Hardline guys who either support or might become a radical if things go a certain way
3) more moderate Muslims who aren't radical and wouldn't become one, but are not exactly upset that they exist - they would like to see a Muslim controlled USA but won't make it happen themselves.
4) Muslims who keep it to themselves, follow the basic rules, and don't want to conquer the world, condemn radicals etc.
Now, how much of the Muslim world each of these groups make up is a matter of some debate but guys in group four do exist. Recently a group of them has started publishing names of radical extremists they know of, to try to shame them and get them out into the light. And that's at no inconsiderable risk to themselves.
Every time some scumbag blows up people or carries out some terrorist act, a small group of Muslims says "this is wrong!!!" They aren't all lying you know? Some of them really mean it and are really upset.
1) Lunatic extremists one push button away from triggering their bomb belt
2) Hardline guys who either support or might become a radical if things go a certain way
3) more moderate Muslims who aren't radical and wouldn't become one, but are not exactly upset that they exist - they would like to see a Muslim controlled USA but won't make it happen themselves.
4) Muslims who keep it to themselves, follow the basic rules, and don't want to conquer the world, condemn radicals etc.
Now, how much of the Muslim world each of these groups make up is a matter of some debate but guys in group four do exist. Recently a group of them has started publishing names of radical extremists they know of, to try to shame them and get them out into the light. And that's at no inconsiderable risk to themselves.
Every time some scumbag blows up people or carries out some terrorist act, a small group of Muslims says "this is wrong!!!" They aren't all lying you know? Some of them really mean it and are really upset.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:47 PM (39g3+)
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During World War Two, I would have opposed rounding up all the Americans of Japanese descent and sending them to Manzanar. But to the best of my knowledge, we stopped immigration from Japan while the war was on.
I don't think I'd favor rounding up every Muslim living in America today and putting them on the slow boat back to Durkha-Durkhastan. But I'd stop importing new ones right now, and I'd be closing the doors of any mosque, madrassa, or other organization that sympathized or supported the enemy, and packing up or arresting a bunch of Muslims promoting those enemy actions.
I don't think I'd favor rounding up every Muslim living in America today and putting them on the slow boat back to Durkha-Durkhastan. But I'd stop importing new ones right now, and I'd be closing the doors of any mosque, madrassa, or other organization that sympathized or supported the enemy, and packing up or arresting a bunch of Muslims promoting those enemy actions.
Posted by: Qoheleth at December 07, 2015 03:47 PM (iIzG7)
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To make conceptualizing the problem somewhat easier, I recommend substituting the term 'National Socialism' for 'Islam' and 'Nazi' for Muslim.
As an aside, I'm sure there were many moderate Nazis. Moderate Nazis were the ones who didn't want to know the details but most certainly approved of the very final result.
As an aside, I'm sure there were many moderate Nazis. Moderate Nazis were the ones who didn't want to know the details but most certainly approved of the very final result.
Posted by: troyriser at December 07, 2015 03:47 PM (WuTfJ)
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Thanks NGU I appreciate your POV
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:47 PM (+c55T)
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I guess at one time it was all anarchists blowing people up committing assassinations. Now we have muslims.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 07, 2015 03:47 PM (iQIUe)
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I'm not really sure that our entire civilization is based on the idea that no one can question weird, false religions. In fact, I'm pretty sure we'd all be better off if we persecuted Scientologists, and also Global Warmists.
As for Moslems, I'm sorta maybe we should, maybe we shouldn't. But we ought to at least round them up for questioning.
As for Moslems, I'm sorta maybe we should, maybe we shouldn't. But we ought to at least round them up for questioning.
Posted by: J Moses Browning at December 07, 2015 03:47 PM (GZCRo)
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>.There's enough reason to investigate Farook's mother just based on the fact that she lived with them in pipe bomb making by Farook--central.
Also seen during the MSM invasion of their house: gun maintenance stuff on the shelf of the closet in the nursery.
Also seen during the MSM invasion of their house: gun maintenance stuff on the shelf of the closet in the nursery.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2015 03:47 PM (NOIQH)
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229 Dennis Prager often tries to explain why Jews are often hard core lefties. Other than he often says most are leftists first and Jewish second
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Its essentially what they learned to do on Passover. Paint their door red so God will not kill their sons. Updated, this means that the Goyim (universal receptor of projection) should be killed and the subscribers of the NYTs will be unmolested by --------- fill in the blank (blacks, Muzzies, Mexicans, and assorted other flavors of the week). See? Media just serves the purpose of targeting.
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Its essentially what they learned to do on Passover. Paint their door red so God will not kill their sons. Updated, this means that the Goyim (universal receptor of projection) should be killed and the subscribers of the NYTs will be unmolested by --------- fill in the blank (blacks, Muzzies, Mexicans, and assorted other flavors of the week). See? Media just serves the purpose of targeting.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 07, 2015 03:48 PM (oDCMR)
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Reza Aslan: "FGM isn't a specifically Muslim problem, it's an African problem, it's African Muslims that perpetrate female castration."
*slimy smile*
Hey Reza. Lying is one thing.
That's fucking racist.
*slimy smile*
Hey Reza. Lying is one thing.
That's fucking racist.
Posted by: Alt-reality liberals, sweatily fingering the race card at December 07, 2015 03:48 PM (FfVIs)
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Ace... look into how much muslim charity is channeled through mosques to terrorist activities (you can start here: http://tinyurl.com/ooez7kq (Wikipedia).
The average muslim is just as complicit in the actions of islamic terrorists as the average German who watched the cattle cars go by, knew where they were heading and still did not rise up against the Nazis.
You say they should not be forced into Denouncement Theater and I agree with you. Theater implies acting out lines you don't believe. They should however be viewed with suspicion and watched until and unless they start cleaning their own house. Until them they are terror collaborators working for Sharia and the Caliphate and against the freedoms this country was founded on even if they don't dirty their own hands
The average muslim is just as complicit in the actions of islamic terrorists as the average German who watched the cattle cars go by, knew where they were heading and still did not rise up against the Nazis.
You say they should not be forced into Denouncement Theater and I agree with you. Theater implies acting out lines you don't believe. They should however be viewed with suspicion and watched until and unless they start cleaning their own house. Until them they are terror collaborators working for Sharia and the Caliphate and against the freedoms this country was founded on even if they don't dirty their own hands
Posted by: redbanzai at December 07, 2015 03:48 PM (aoyma)
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I served with two Turkish Americans. Both muslim. Both very modern. One a woman. Both were practically secular. No non western clothing. Fully assimilated.
Call me a bigot but mama Tsarnaev, Mama San Bernardino jihadi, Sister San Bernardino jihadi, and Sugar tits for jihad, all covered up
it seems to me you have to pay attention to what the men say and how the women look
Call me a bigot but mama Tsarnaev, Mama San Bernardino jihadi, Sister San Bernardino jihadi, and Sugar tits for jihad, all covered up
it seems to me you have to pay attention to what the men say and how the women look
Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2015 03:48 PM (zOTsN)
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hat is an historical thing, some what related to politics but also to the fact that in the early 1900s and on into WW2, the Republican party was isolationist, against immigration of THOSE people, and also anti-semetic.
Yeah but that's been over 60 years now, and the Democrats have been overtly anti-Jewish for decades. How long does it take to sink in? Jews aren't stupid, as a whole.
Yeah but that's been over 60 years now, and the Democrats have been overtly anti-Jewish for decades. How long does it take to sink in? Jews aren't stupid, as a whole.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:48 PM (39g3+)
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re 160: saw it , mentioned on the morning open thread. Peters called O a "total pussy", Varney said that some things were unacceptable on Fox or at least his program and requested Peters to apologize, which he did.
believe it or not, media matters has a transcript
go there at your own risk
http://tinyurl.com/q2kksen
believe it or not, media matters has a transcript
go there at your own risk
http://tinyurl.com/q2kksen
Posted by: Obamallfly of Knockwurst Vt at December 07, 2015 03:48 PM (qSIlh)
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You have to understand the grievances of the white supremacist community before judging the killing of all those people at church.
Posted by: Dylann Roof at December 07, 2015 03:48 PM (laMCB)
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Jeezuz there was a huge bag of "Burn FIX" in the door of the fridge. Looks like Farook might have had some pipe bomb making injuries.
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Maybe that's why his wife was wearing all those bandages on her head.
Jeezuz there was a huge bag of "Burn FIX" in the door of the fridge. Looks like Farook might have had some pipe bomb making injuries.
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Maybe that's why his wife was wearing all those bandages on her head.
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267: "Every time some scumbag blows up people or carries out some terrorist act, a small group of Muslims says "this is wrong!!!" They aren't all lying you know? Some of them really mean it and are really upset."
I'll believe them when they say it in Arabic, and to their fellow muslims.
I'll believe them when they say it in Arabic, and to their fellow muslims.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 03:49 PM (UPYPp)
Posted by: Bigby's Left Hook at December 07, 2015 03:49 PM (3ZtZW)
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I'm tired of hearing that America is a Christian Country. It is not. It
holds Judeo-Christian values, but it is neither a Jewish country or a
Christian Country.
I can't be America and not be primarily Judeo-Christian. It all falls apart without the idea of God-given Rights and none of the dead idols of the world's religions suggest anything of the sort. Otherwise you'd see Jeffersonian democracies everywhere.
holds Judeo-Christian values, but it is neither a Jewish country or a
Christian Country.
I can't be America and not be primarily Judeo-Christian. It all falls apart without the idea of God-given Rights and none of the dead idols of the world's religions suggest anything of the sort. Otherwise you'd see Jeffersonian democracies everywhere.
Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 03:49 PM (ZbV+0)
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it seems to me you have to pay attention to what the men say and how the women look
Exactly. If she's in a total body covering bag: serious concern. If she wears a face-covering scarf in public: concern. If she's just got a scarf on her head, probably not much to worry about. Especially if the guy treats her well and they are easy to get along with.
Exactly. If she's in a total body covering bag: serious concern. If she wears a face-covering scarf in public: concern. If she's just got a scarf on her head, probably not much to worry about. Especially if the guy treats her well and they are easy to get along with.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:49 PM (39g3+)
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259 @249..yeah, I saw that, too. Also saw the gigantic bottle of Pepto Bismal on the kitchen counter and thought, good, one of 'em had the trots before they ate asphalt.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 03:45 PM (7lqMl)
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LOL
Christy sheesh The gal in orange that you were talking about the other day that could be her. Before that though people were posting pics of the brother and his Russian bride as them. Sorry I thought you were referring to those earlier pics.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 03:45 PM (7lqMl)
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LOL
Christy sheesh The gal in orange that you were talking about the other day that could be her. Before that though people were posting pics of the brother and his Russian bride as them. Sorry I thought you were referring to those earlier pics.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 07, 2015 03:50 PM (mcm0N)
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I think as soon as Granny Jihad's ID was shown they were forced to look a little further into her background. Because the jig was up and others were looking. Meanwhile, back in Oregon, there is a mama we still have not seen who likes guns and took her weird son to shooting rangers. Nothing to see here, though!
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 03:50 PM (7lqMl)
Posted by: Bigby's Left Hook at December 07, 2015 03:50 PM (3ZtZW)
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"So I don't want to suggest that Rafia Farook committed a "mindcrime" here."
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We would not know of anybody's thought unless they were manifested by actions.
Her actions? Membership of a hardline Islamic society. Then feigned ignorance of goings on in a small home.
Her son's actions? Murder. What did he learn at his mother's knee?
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We would not know of anybody's thought unless they were manifested by actions.
Her actions? Membership of a hardline Islamic society. Then feigned ignorance of goings on in a small home.
Her son's actions? Murder. What did he learn at his mother's knee?
Posted by: Decaf at December 07, 2015 03:51 PM (EzU9F)
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This is not an invasion.
It's cultural masochism and burnt fear-offerings to false god Islam by hard-left's sick, twisted perma-children.
The enemy is pounding on the door and they are laughing and turning the knob.
It's cultural masochism and burnt fear-offerings to false god Islam by hard-left's sick, twisted perma-children.
The enemy is pounding on the door and they are laughing and turning the knob.
Posted by: President Dickless at December 07, 2015 03:51 PM (hudka)
Posted by: Mortimer at December 07, 2015 03:52 PM (hudka)
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Let me follow along. But I get lost.
Jihadi John US citizen goes to find a fiancé. Seems I heard in the past year. Yet they have a six month old baby.
Math?
Jihadi John US citizen goes to find a fiancé. Seems I heard in the past year. Yet they have a six month old baby.
Math?
Posted by: Golfman at December 07, 2015 03:52 PM (48QDY)
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I don't think I'd favor rounding up every Muslim living in America today and putting them on the slow boat back to Durkha-Durkhastan. But I'd stop importing new ones right now,
Yeah, and I'd definitely support shutting the doors of any Mosque proven to have donated to terrorist organizations and preached anti-American, murderous rhetoric. But it would have to be proven and definite, not just "they said stuff that upset me"
Because once you open up that bag of worms, you know damn well people like Hillary Clinton would use it against evil Christians who say Abortion is wrong and that we must oppose homosexual "marriage."
Yeah, and I'd definitely support shutting the doors of any Mosque proven to have donated to terrorist organizations and preached anti-American, murderous rhetoric. But it would have to be proven and definite, not just "they said stuff that upset me"
Because once you open up that bag of worms, you know damn well people like Hillary Clinton would use it against evil Christians who say Abortion is wrong and that we must oppose homosexual "marriage."
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:52 PM (39g3+)
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"It's important to note that a mere belief is not the same as an action
or a crime -- our entire American civilization is built on the premise
that one is free to think, argue, and believe (and worship) as one
likes, and that this cannot be criminalized."
You've missed the point. This is about the prevailing ideological beliefs of liberals, which includes the grievances of Muslims, and how it is, to them (their ideology), the real "fabric" of our society.
That is, we should supplant American values with the political values of liberal ideology. Muslim's are aggrieved, Blacks are repressed, the poor deserve more- and so on.
Liberals ultimately believe attacks on everyday American's are justifiable and a "small price to pay" in order to attain a society which is more like the liberal vision. They don't care whether government, constitution, law, institutions and society are corrupted. That is simply a means to their ends.
What they have not counted on is that ordinary people would figure out the Democrat Party is mostly involved in subterfuge and their values are opposite most Americans.
It's going to eventually destroy them when the pendulum comes swinging back with a vengeance.
People say to me that the old, crust, lying, bag Hillary is inevitable. I say the timing of events is such that my old pair of shoes might have a good chance to defeat her.
or a crime -- our entire American civilization is built on the premise
that one is free to think, argue, and believe (and worship) as one
likes, and that this cannot be criminalized."
You've missed the point. This is about the prevailing ideological beliefs of liberals, which includes the grievances of Muslims, and how it is, to them (their ideology), the real "fabric" of our society.
That is, we should supplant American values with the political values of liberal ideology. Muslim's are aggrieved, Blacks are repressed, the poor deserve more- and so on.
Liberals ultimately believe attacks on everyday American's are justifiable and a "small price to pay" in order to attain a society which is more like the liberal vision. They don't care whether government, constitution, law, institutions and society are corrupted. That is simply a means to their ends.
What they have not counted on is that ordinary people would figure out the Democrat Party is mostly involved in subterfuge and their values are opposite most Americans.
It's going to eventually destroy them when the pendulum comes swinging back with a vengeance.
People say to me that the old, crust, lying, bag Hillary is inevitable. I say the timing of events is such that my old pair of shoes might have a good chance to defeat her.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2015 03:52 PM (GGCsk)
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However, with Jesus' coming, death and resurrection the laws of the OT were null and void.
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That's right! those 10 commandments got thrown the hell out!
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That's right! those 10 commandments got thrown the hell out!
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I believe the OT as well. However, with Jesus' coming, death and resurrection the laws of the OT were null and void.
Harun you sound like an apologist sympathizer.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:45 PM (+c55T)
Excuse me. But I don't think Jesus would agree with that statement. Read his words again.
I believe the OT as well. However, with Jesus' coming, death and resurrection the laws of the OT were null and void.
Harun you sound like an apologist sympathizer.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:45 PM (+c55T)
Excuse me. But I don't think Jesus would agree with that statement. Read his words again.
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 03:53 PM (Fmupd)
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*Putting on double reverse tinfoil hat*
Perhaps the local FBI agent in charge , knowing the regime would stuff it down the memory hole othewise, delibrately let media into the apartment in the hope they would let the information out.
Makes my head hurt.
Perhaps the local FBI agent in charge , knowing the regime would stuff it down the memory hole othewise, delibrately let media into the apartment in the hope they would let the information out.
Makes my head hurt.
Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at December 07, 2015 03:53 PM (3Mimg)
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Do you know how much money the colleges make off of foreign students? Get rid of the mid-eastern students and college administrators might have to take a pay cut. Better some random schlubs in America get whacked by the Terrorists.
Posted by: rd at December 07, 2015 03:44 PM (Ltj2h)
Drop in the bucket. The big numbers are from Chinese and Indian students. If we lost student visas from majority Muslim nations, most US schools wouldn't even notice financially.
Posted by: rd at December 07, 2015 03:44 PM (Ltj2h)
Drop in the bucket. The big numbers are from Chinese and Indian students. If we lost student visas from majority Muslim nations, most US schools wouldn't even notice financially.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 07, 2015 03:53 PM (Xd2w5)
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I am so freakin' sick of being lectured after each terror attack, here and overseas (Paris, Charlie Hebdo, Australia, etc.) that *I* need to clean up my act. I'm not the one actively hating people, not the one planning to punish random strangers for whatever the latest Muslim rage-inspiring event is this week.
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But we know you're thinking it.
I am so freakin' sick of being lectured after each terror attack, here and overseas (Paris, Charlie Hebdo, Australia, etc.) that *I* need to clean up my act. I'm not the one actively hating people, not the one planning to punish random strangers for whatever the latest Muslim rage-inspiring event is this week.
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But we know you're thinking it.
Posted by: Loretta Lynch at December 07, 2015 03:53 PM (HgMAr)
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Jeezuz there was a huge bag of "Burn FIX" in the door of the fridge. Looks like Farook might have had some pipe bomb making injuries.
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Maybe that's why his wife was wearing all those bandages on her head.
Posted by: wth at December 07, 2015 03:49 PM (HgMAr)
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Hell that's just what the FBI left behind. They probably took the ISIS banner and Osama poster...
Jeezuz there was a huge bag of "Burn FIX" in the door of the fridge. Looks like Farook might have had some pipe bomb making injuries.
Posted by: Danube River Guide
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Maybe that's why his wife was wearing all those bandages on her head.
Posted by: wth at December 07, 2015 03:49 PM (HgMAr)
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Hell that's just what the FBI left behind. They probably took the ISIS banner and Osama poster...
Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 07, 2015 03:53 PM (mcm0N)
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The Constitution is not a suicide pact. The Founders never envisioned people such as this being allowed to settle in the United States, and so they never made explicit prohibitions against the unthinkable. Nevertheless, allowing Muslims to immigrate here was a mistake. We should not allow it to become a fatal mistake, one that is transforming us into an undemocratic surveillance state that almost no one wants.
What was done, can and must be undone. It should be done humanely, and peacefully if possible, but it must be done. Our survival as a Republic depends on it.
What was done, can and must be undone. It should be done humanely, and peacefully if possible, but it must be done. Our survival as a Republic depends on it.
Posted by: despair at December 07, 2015 03:53 PM (VrdxH)
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It's been pretty much determined that at least 60% of Muslims believe that Sharia Law should be the law everywhere.
That Islam will conquer all Nations.
That what Islamic radicals do is okay (not that they want it where they are).
And that Israel should be destroyed.
They may not wish to stand up and join the terrorists but they will not fight them or denounce their actions.
And they pretty much think Western Civ is terrible but it's good living here. (wait till sharia law takes over, it will be even better then.)
They're illiterates and zealots.
Like all religions there's all types of believers from the ho hum to the zealot.
But there are some universal attitudes and none of them are pro Western Civ or pro American.
That Islam will conquer all Nations.
That what Islamic radicals do is okay (not that they want it where they are).
And that Israel should be destroyed.
They may not wish to stand up and join the terrorists but they will not fight them or denounce their actions.
And they pretty much think Western Civ is terrible but it's good living here. (wait till sharia law takes over, it will be even better then.)
They're illiterates and zealots.
Like all religions there's all types of believers from the ho hum to the zealot.
But there are some universal attitudes and none of them are pro Western Civ or pro American.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 03:53 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Saw on Fox the other day that Malik had been growing increasingly religious over the last two years. For which other religions do increasingly devoted followers become more likely to murder unarmed civilians?
Posted by: OCBill at December 07, 2015 03:53 PM (DCB1X)
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Yes, but a large number of Jews who supported FDR did so as a default position because they were Communists or Socialists. They have always hated Republicans because the "blue-bloods" who dominated the party were anti-Semitic and behind college quotas keeping Jews out of the Ivy League--and out of Country Clubs. They have never forgotten that.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2015 03:54 PM (gJT5J)
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@286...I think the girl in orange was too pretty to be the dead jihadist, so think you were correct.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 03:54 PM (7lqMl)
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They need to also pay attention to the mosques. You can't tell me no one knows which ones are radical.
I suppose the problem is that going to a radical mosque and listening to radical sermons isn't illegal, and the authorities can't do much.
Kind of like gang members; you know they're capable of committing any amount if crimes, but you can't do anything until they actually do.
That's no doubt why we hear so much "the authorities were aware of him" and "he was on a watch list"
Perhaps those are the ones that need to be sent back home, along with their families.
I suppose the problem is that going to a radical mosque and listening to radical sermons isn't illegal, and the authorities can't do much.
Kind of like gang members; you know they're capable of committing any amount if crimes, but you can't do anything until they actually do.
That's no doubt why we hear so much "the authorities were aware of him" and "he was on a watch list"
Perhaps those are the ones that need to be sent back home, along with their families.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2015 03:54 PM (y1fTM)
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>>> I believe that the common refrain is to bar their entry. Their desire to come to America does not outweigh our right (and need) to preserve our lives and our culture. Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 03:38 PM (UPYPp)
That I am totally behind.
Muslim cultural elite in the middle east, want to allow your children to continue coming to this country on student visas, to benefit from our educational system (and for some, slut around with our women and partake of all the non-halal goodies we offer)?
Then stop encouraging your people to hate us and desire our death. We won't allow your spoiled brats in until you do.
Sounds fine by me!
That I am totally behind.
Muslim cultural elite in the middle east, want to allow your children to continue coming to this country on student visas, to benefit from our educational system (and for some, slut around with our women and partake of all the non-halal goodies we offer)?
Then stop encouraging your people to hate us and desire our death. We won't allow your spoiled brats in until you do.
Sounds fine by me!
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 03:54 PM (hvf9s)
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And the Che shirts.
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Yep, everyone tip-toes around chunks of 3/4" galvanized pipe on the floor intermingled with maybe 10-20 lbs of Clays Universal. Just junior making the kid a new toy.
"I don't want or need Muslims to be put through the ordeal of Denouncement "
I fucking do. The good ones, if hanging around, need to step up to the plate and speak out very loudly. Oh, I forgot...Polling has showed that greater than 60% of US Muslims support ISIS's eventual goal. They are simply incompatible with western civilization and specifically our constitution. Then again, so is Obama. Hmmmm....
"I don't want or need Muslims to be put through the ordeal of Denouncement "
I fucking do. The good ones, if hanging around, need to step up to the plate and speak out very loudly. Oh, I forgot...Polling has showed that greater than 60% of US Muslims support ISIS's eventual goal. They are simply incompatible with western civilization and specifically our constitution. Then again, so is Obama. Hmmmm....
Posted by: Arkindole at December 07, 2015 03:55 PM (wN45w)
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However, with Jesus' coming, death and resurrection the laws of the OT were null and void.
That's actually not true. What was negated were the ceremonial laws, since ritual purification was no longer needed: Jesus provided perfect righteousness and paid for sin. The moral law is simply a reflection of God's perfect character and that cannot be nullified.
So: don't eat shellfish and wash your hands 7 times before eating - negated. Thou Shalt Not Kill: still applicable.
That's actually not true. What was negated were the ceremonial laws, since ritual purification was no longer needed: Jesus provided perfect righteousness and paid for sin. The moral law is simply a reflection of God's perfect character and that cannot be nullified.
So: don't eat shellfish and wash your hands 7 times before eating - negated. Thou Shalt Not Kill: still applicable.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:55 PM (39g3+)
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Bruce Boehner,
you're guilty of the same sort of unreasoning tribal hatred you're criticizing other people for; the difference is that you like your tribe, and don't like theirs.
Why don't you take the day off from throwing around this kind of ugly hatred and consider if this the man you saw yourself becoming as a child.
you're guilty of the same sort of unreasoning tribal hatred you're criticizing other people for; the difference is that you like your tribe, and don't like theirs.
Why don't you take the day off from throwing around this kind of ugly hatred and consider if this the man you saw yourself becoming as a child.
Posted by: ace at December 07, 2015 03:55 PM (dciA+)
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I don't think I'd favor rounding up every Muslim living in America today and putting them on the slow boat back to Durkha-Durkhastan. But I'd stop importing new ones right now, and I'd be closing the doors of any mosque, madrassa, or other organization that sympathized or supported the enemy, and packing up or arresting a bunch of Muslims promoting those enemy actions.
Posted by: Qoheleth at December 07, 2015 03:47 PM (iIzG7)
Exactly. During the Cold War, it wasn't illegal to be a communist. You just couldn't get a security clearance.
But in our oh-too-PC society, where Grandmas are strip-searched at the airport, and police attempt vaginal and anal cavity checks as part of routine traffic stops, profiling is just too outrageous.
Posted by: Qoheleth at December 07, 2015 03:47 PM (iIzG7)
Exactly. During the Cold War, it wasn't illegal to be a communist. You just couldn't get a security clearance.
But in our oh-too-PC society, where Grandmas are strip-searched at the airport, and police attempt vaginal and anal cavity checks as part of routine traffic stops, profiling is just too outrageous.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at December 07, 2015 03:55 PM (laMCB)
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I agree, and I can tell you that those involved in "inter-faith dialogue" with Muslims also agree.
But they will only tell you this privately.
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 03:42 PM (IUhaV)
Yep. Yet this is no secret to anybody. This info has been easily obtained for a long time. The most rudimentary investigation reveals that what the so-called moderate says to your face bears no relation to what he says behind your back or in the mosque. They're a culture of well practiced liars.
The constitution is in desperate need of amending. It needs to be made to acknowledge the part of humanity that never fails to sow disharmony and murder among all outside itself, and mandate the removal of that cancer.
For Pete's sake, they don't live in peace anywhere on earth! Parasites.
But they will only tell you this privately.
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 03:42 PM (IUhaV)
Yep. Yet this is no secret to anybody. This info has been easily obtained for a long time. The most rudimentary investigation reveals that what the so-called moderate says to your face bears no relation to what he says behind your back or in the mosque. They're a culture of well practiced liars.
The constitution is in desperate need of amending. It needs to be made to acknowledge the part of humanity that never fails to sow disharmony and murder among all outside itself, and mandate the removal of that cancer.
For Pete's sake, they don't live in peace anywhere on earth! Parasites.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 07, 2015 03:55 PM (reacA)
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the whole family is suspicious Harun
Sister and BIL say they had no clue and had just talked to him the week before. Grandma jihad told the lawyers she had no clue. riiigghhhtt
father, who was estranged from him, said he loved ISIS and hated Israel
somebody is lying here. You investigate EVERYONE close to the jihadis, to rule them out. You don't wait until they do something bad, or assume that because they are a vet they should not be investigated at all
the whole family is suspicious Harun
Sister and BIL say they had no clue and had just talked to him the week before. Grandma jihad told the lawyers she had no clue. riiigghhhtt
father, who was estranged from him, said he loved ISIS and hated Israel
somebody is lying here. You investigate EVERYONE close to the jihadis, to rule them out. You don't wait until they do something bad, or assume that because they are a vet they should not be investigated at all
Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2015 03:55 PM (zOTsN)
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Guys I know some Muslims, and they aren't double secret psycho jihadis just waiting to be activated.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Yes, yours is a rare and unique life experience, and none of the rest of us straw-sucking hillbillies ever went to school with, were friends with or dated Muslims.
Guys I know some Muslims, and they aren't double secret psycho jihadis just waiting to be activated.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Yes, yours is a rare and unique life experience, and none of the rest of us straw-sucking hillbillies ever went to school with, were friends with or dated Muslims.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 07, 2015 03:56 PM (kdS6q)
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Agreed. I'm tired of hearing that America is a Christian Country. It is not. It holds Judeo-Christian values, but it is neither a Jewish country or a Christian Country. The elected officials are sworn to uphold the Constitution. They are to look out for our welfare, not the welfare of people half way around the world.
If you feel as a Christian or any other faith you have an obligation to help the Syrians for example. Go over there and help them. We do not need to bring them here. The neighbors of Syria should be assisting those who flee. Not enabling them to bring disease and chaos to other parts of the world.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:38 PM (+c55T)
You sound like one of those knuckle-dragging Trump-bots.
Set up refugee camps in the mid-east?
House them near their homes, so they can return after the wars?
Do you realize how cheap that would be?
We should be giving more aid to Jordan and demand KSA and the gulf states take in refugees. Right now the racist self centered bastards refuse to. If we go into Syria or Iraq, set up safe zones. Real safe zones, not like Srebrenica in the balkans.
If you feel as a Christian or any other faith you have an obligation to help the Syrians for example. Go over there and help them. We do not need to bring them here. The neighbors of Syria should be assisting those who flee. Not enabling them to bring disease and chaos to other parts of the world.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2015 03:38 PM (+c55T)
You sound like one of those knuckle-dragging Trump-bots.
Set up refugee camps in the mid-east?
House them near their homes, so they can return after the wars?
Do you realize how cheap that would be?
We should be giving more aid to Jordan and demand KSA and the gulf states take in refugees. Right now the racist self centered bastards refuse to. If we go into Syria or Iraq, set up safe zones. Real safe zones, not like Srebrenica in the balkans.
Posted by: rd at December 07, 2015 03:56 PM (Ltj2h)
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I'll believe them when they say it in Arabic, and to their fellow muslims.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 03:49 PM (UPYPp)
On MEMRI, in addition to lots of pro-terror verbiage from the ME, you will find some epic verbal battles (in Arabic) between the pro-terror wings and the anti-jihad forces in the ME.
Now, the anti-jihad peeps are outnumbered, and have historically mostly been seen in (previously) less jihadi Turkey, Egypt, and Pakistan (all somewhat more "radicalized"). And a lot of the anti-jihadis are women, who are not well-respected in these cultures.
But the right pretends they don't exist, and the left hates them because they're fighting against the left's darling terror groups, so they have basically no outside support, and they end up having to go it alone.
Like I said, depressing.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 03:49 PM (UPYPp)
On MEMRI, in addition to lots of pro-terror verbiage from the ME, you will find some epic verbal battles (in Arabic) between the pro-terror wings and the anti-jihad forces in the ME.
Now, the anti-jihad peeps are outnumbered, and have historically mostly been seen in (previously) less jihadi Turkey, Egypt, and Pakistan (all somewhat more "radicalized"). And a lot of the anti-jihadis are women, who are not well-respected in these cultures.
But the right pretends they don't exist, and the left hates them because they're fighting against the left's darling terror groups, so they have basically no outside support, and they end up having to go it alone.
Like I said, depressing.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 07, 2015 03:56 PM (bLnSU)
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Yes, but a large number of Jews who supported FDR did so as a default position because they were Communists or Socialists
Correct. There was an awful lot of antisemitism that took the form of anti-Communism, because more than a few Jewish scholars and academics were really all in for communism. Unfortuately, that hasn't all gone away, and it leads to some truly insane, self-destructive stupidity among Jews.
Correct. There was an awful lot of antisemitism that took the form of anti-Communism, because more than a few Jewish scholars and academics were really all in for communism. Unfortuately, that hasn't all gone away, and it leads to some truly insane, self-destructive stupidity among Jews.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:57 PM (39g3+)
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Muslim cultural elite in the middle east, want to allow your children to continue coming to this country on student visas, to benefit from our educational system (and for some, slut around with our women and partake of all the non-halal goodies we offer)?
Then stop encouraging your people to hate us and desire our death. We won't allow your spoiled brats in until you do.
Sounds fine by me!
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 03:54 PM (hvf9s)]
It will never happen. It makes too much sense.
Then stop encouraging your people to hate us and desire our death. We won't allow your spoiled brats in until you do.
Sounds fine by me!
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 03:54 PM (hvf9s)]
It will never happen. It makes too much sense.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2015 03:57 PM (8ZskC)
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Look at this Khaled, Breitbart is reporting today that Clock Boy, little Ahmed Mohamed, his mosque (the nearest to his family's house) was nailed for funding Palestinian terrorists.
The money we funnel to Hamas is just sitting out in the open, in a back room. Go cover it up!
No not THAT room, Khaled, you kufr loving imbecile! That's the Kalashnikov room!
*laugh track*
They have muzzle breaks and bayonet lugs and everything! Really dangerous article, your non-CA compliant AK.
No not THAT room, Khaled, you Ramadan-cheating swindler! That's the pipe bomb room!
*laugh track*
We're way past pressure cookers, this isn't some podunk Chechen operation! We got oil money!
*laugh track*
We'll be back after these halal messages!
The money we funnel to Hamas is just sitting out in the open, in a back room. Go cover it up!
No not THAT room, Khaled, you kufr loving imbecile! That's the Kalashnikov room!
*laugh track*
They have muzzle breaks and bayonet lugs and everything! Really dangerous article, your non-CA compliant AK.
No not THAT room, Khaled, you Ramadan-cheating swindler! That's the pipe bomb room!
*laugh track*
We're way past pressure cookers, this isn't some podunk Chechen operation! We got oil money!
*laugh track*
We'll be back after these halal messages!
Posted by: Imam of yo mama, Tuesdays on FOX! at December 07, 2015 03:57 PM (FfVIs)
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Yep, everyone tip-toes around chunks of 3/4" galvanized pipe on the floor intermingled with maybe 10-20 lbs of Clays Universal.
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Smokeless powder will not work as an explosive.
Black powder on the other hand.......
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Smokeless powder will not work as an explosive.
Black powder on the other hand.......
Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2015 03:57 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2015 03:58 PM (fBkaR)
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If she's just got a scarf on her head, probably not much to worry about. Especially if the guy treats her well and they are easy to get along with.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:49 PM (39g3+)
Another point on hijab, I know Assyrian women who wear them, and they're Christian. And Coptic Christian women will sometimes where head coverings, especially the older ones.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:49 PM (39g3+)
Another point on hijab, I know Assyrian women who wear them, and they're Christian. And Coptic Christian women will sometimes where head coverings, especially the older ones.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2015 03:58 PM (y1fTM)
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Guys I know some Muslims, and they aren't double secret psycho jihadis just waiting to be activated.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
You're wasting your talents here. You should be in the fed's vetting department.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
You're wasting your talents here. You should be in the fed's vetting department.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2015 03:59 PM (8ZskC)
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284 I'm tired of hearing that America is a Christian Country. It is not. It
holds Judeo-Christian values, but it is neither a Jewish country or a
Christian Country.
I can't be America and not be primarily Judeo-Christian. It all falls apart without the idea of God-given Rights and none of the dead idols of the world's religions suggest anything of the sort. Otherwise you'd see Jeffersonian democracies everywhere.
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The big divide is between Guilt cultures and Shame cultures. Islam is a shame culture (so is Judaism) while Christians are a guilt culture. Never let a Shame Culture control a Guilt Culture. Then there are Shameless Cultures (Gypsies and BLM comes to mind). Never let a Shame Culture control a Shameless Culture. See Manhattan Media for what this looks like.
holds Judeo-Christian values, but it is neither a Jewish country or a
Christian Country.
I can't be America and not be primarily Judeo-Christian. It all falls apart without the idea of God-given Rights and none of the dead idols of the world's religions suggest anything of the sort. Otherwise you'd see Jeffersonian democracies everywhere.
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The big divide is between Guilt cultures and Shame cultures. Islam is a shame culture (so is Judaism) while Christians are a guilt culture. Never let a Shame Culture control a Guilt Culture. Then there are Shameless Cultures (Gypsies and BLM comes to mind). Never let a Shame Culture control a Shameless Culture. See Manhattan Media for what this looks like.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 07, 2015 03:59 PM (oDCMR)
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The thing to remember is that every restriction on religion you imagine, every law you envision to stop Islam, every constitutional amendment to fight radical Muslims... can and will be used eventually by the left to target Christians and Jews. 100% guaranteed. Do you really think that's a good thing?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:59 PM (39g3+)
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Fortunately, moderate Muslims have been doing great work showing the FBI where the terror Mosque's are and the lines to terror networks.
Oh, what's that you say?
Nevermind.
Oh, what's that you say?
Nevermind.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 07, 2015 04:00 PM (W2YA6)
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Another point on hijab, I know Assyrian women who wear them, and they're Christian. And Coptic Christian women will sometimes where head coverings, especially the older ones.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2015 03:58 PM (y1fTM)
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I know several blued haired Lutheran ladies that wouldnt THINK of not wearing a hat to Sunday service.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2015 03:58 PM (y1fTM)
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I know several blued haired Lutheran ladies that wouldnt THINK of not wearing a hat to Sunday service.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2015 04:00 PM (8XRCm)
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And they pretty much think Western Civ is terrible but it's good living
here. (wait till sharia law takes over, it will be even better then.)
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To be fair, their communist allies think the same thing.
here. (wait till sharia law takes over, it will be even better then.)
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To be fair, their communist allies think the same thing.
Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 04:00 PM (ZbV+0)
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chris
Ask those guys if they'd like to see sharia become the law of the land someday, for some day America to become a Muslim country. Ask them to be honest.
The problem is Islamic supremacism, which legitimates jihad of the slow or fast variety.
The only question that matters is whether Islam will consent to live forever in a pluralist environment.
If not, people will continue to die -- whatever anyone says.
Ask those guys if they'd like to see sharia become the law of the land someday, for some day America to become a Muslim country. Ask them to be honest.
The problem is Islamic supremacism, which legitimates jihad of the slow or fast variety.
The only question that matters is whether Islam will consent to live forever in a pluralist environment.
If not, people will continue to die -- whatever anyone says.
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 04:00 PM (IUhaV)
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Eh, Jordan has enough refugees, I'd say we need to let them pass. Make the S'auds take 'em all.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2015 04:01 PM (y1fTM)
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And maybe we start treating Muslims that come to this country the way they treat Indians who work in their countries.
Seems fair.
Seems fair.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 07, 2015 04:01 PM (W2YA6)
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305 @286...I think the girl in orange was too pretty to be the dead jihadist, so think you were correct.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 03:54 PM (7lqMl)
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Possible. Could be her before she got the hate going full on.
You said something earlier that gave me the sense that you have a good eye for detail --and jeezuz we're having trouble telling who is who. Now eith makeup and the damn burqas and weight fluctuations she could have traveled on a variety of passports....even the half burqas hide hair and weight.
I'm hesitant because of freedom of religion but --I'm feeling French--Ataturk about burqas now.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 03:54 PM (7lqMl)
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Possible. Could be her before she got the hate going full on.
You said something earlier that gave me the sense that you have a good eye for detail --and jeezuz we're having trouble telling who is who. Now eith makeup and the damn burqas and weight fluctuations she could have traveled on a variety of passports....even the half burqas hide hair and weight.
I'm hesitant because of freedom of religion but --I'm feeling French--Ataturk about burqas now.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 07, 2015 04:01 PM (mcm0N)
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Yeah but that's been over 60 years now, and the Democrats have been overtly anti-Jewish for decades. How long does it take to sink in? Jews aren't stupid, as a whole.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:48 PM (39g3+)
That one I can not answer...It stumps me all the time, but remember do NOT assume just because they identify themselves are borderline Jewish, they have any idea about anything Jewish beyond Lox and Bagels
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:48 PM (39g3+)
That one I can not answer...It stumps me all the time, but remember do NOT assume just because they identify themselves are borderline Jewish, they have any idea about anything Jewish beyond Lox and Bagels
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 04:01 PM (gf8BH)
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Another point on hijab, I know Assyrian women who wear them, and they're Christian. And Coptic Christian women will sometimes where head coverings, especially the older ones.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2015 03:58 PM (y1fTM)
Catholic women were required to cover their heads in church. Female fashion is deep water, there's a lot going on there, I stay away from worrying about that. It's the full body getups that bother me, and the extreme focus that some of these muslim women have on enforcing extremist doctrine on their kids. Must be some way of taking out their own beatings. Paying it forward, yeah? The same reason you won't see frats abolishing hazing anytime soon.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2015 03:58 PM (y1fTM)
Catholic women were required to cover their heads in church. Female fashion is deep water, there's a lot going on there, I stay away from worrying about that. It's the full body getups that bother me, and the extreme focus that some of these muslim women have on enforcing extremist doctrine on their kids. Must be some way of taking out their own beatings. Paying it forward, yeah? The same reason you won't see frats abolishing hazing anytime soon.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 07, 2015 04:01 PM (FfVIs)
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So: don't eat shellfish and wash your hands 7 times before eating - negated. Thou Shalt Not Kill: still applicable.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:55 PM (39g3+)
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Jesus gave us bacon.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:55 PM (39g3+)
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Jesus gave us bacon.
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 04:01 PM (Fmupd)
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"There was an awful lot of antisemitism that took the form of
anti-Communism, because more than a few Jewish scholars and academics
were really all in for communism. Unfortuately, that hasn't all gone
away, and it leads to some truly insane, self-destructive stupidity
among Jews."
I met an Israeli expat working in Silicon Valley, a proud entrepreneurial capitalist, who spent his formative years as a kibbutznik.
He describes the kibbutz as having been a disorganized, low productivity, low quality mess, and said that he wished more Jews would go and attempt to make socialism work on a micro scale on a kibbutz, and witness the many failures thereof, before prescribing socialism to everyone on a macro scale.
anti-Communism, because more than a few Jewish scholars and academics
were really all in for communism. Unfortuately, that hasn't all gone
away, and it leads to some truly insane, self-destructive stupidity
among Jews."
I met an Israeli expat working in Silicon Valley, a proud entrepreneurial capitalist, who spent his formative years as a kibbutznik.
He describes the kibbutz as having been a disorganized, low productivity, low quality mess, and said that he wished more Jews would go and attempt to make socialism work on a micro scale on a kibbutz, and witness the many failures thereof, before prescribing socialism to everyone on a macro scale.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 07, 2015 04:02 PM (noWW6)
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OBVIOUSLY there is a HUGE coverup here! Muslims don't kill people! That lovely couple obviously was SET UP by the awful Christians at that awful illegal Christmas party! It just breaks my heart!
Posted by: Sam from Providence, All In for Hillary at December 07, 2015 04:02 PM (Y8P5w)
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And Coptic Christian women will sometimes where head coverings, especially the older ones.
Some Christian women here will too, as a modesty thing or because they take some parts of the New Testament very specifically.
I get being afraid and mostly just angry at harboring murderous enemies in our midst. I agree more should be done to stop them. But we need to love freedom and protect it more than indulging in fear. Part of the price of liberty is danger from people who will abuse it.
The founding fathers thought that price was worth paying, having lived without that liberty and knowing the difference. I trust their judgment.
Some Christian women here will too, as a modesty thing or because they take some parts of the New Testament very specifically.
I get being afraid and mostly just angry at harboring murderous enemies in our midst. I agree more should be done to stop them. But we need to love freedom and protect it more than indulging in fear. Part of the price of liberty is danger from people who will abuse it.
The founding fathers thought that price was worth paying, having lived without that liberty and knowing the difference. I trust their judgment.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:02 PM (39g3+)
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>>> For which other religions do increasingly devoted followers become more likely to murder unarmed civilians?
As always, it comes back to those darn Amish!
As always, it comes back to those darn Amish!
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 04:02 PM (hvf9s)
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If you've read and understand the tenets of Islam, you would not really be wondering why this is happening. You would not really be curious why people are so easily radicalized.
When they are quoting chapter and verse while spewing their hatred it all flows together.
I've often said that a "good Muslim" who doesn't believe in things like Sharia, the subservience of women and the killing of infidels is simply an apostate who is unfamiliar with the tenets of his (or her) faith.
There is a common thread here. You can either ignore it or recognize it and be called names.
When they are quoting chapter and verse while spewing their hatred it all flows together.
I've often said that a "good Muslim" who doesn't believe in things like Sharia, the subservience of women and the killing of infidels is simply an apostate who is unfamiliar with the tenets of his (or her) faith.
There is a common thread here. You can either ignore it or recognize it and be called names.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2015 04:02 PM (GGCsk)
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Beliefs and/or association with known terrorists shouldn't be a crime, but it is cause for heightened scrutiny. As is current/former citizenship of certain nations.
Posted by: Flaccid Member at December 07, 2015 04:03 PM (5fSr7)
Posted by: rd at December 07, 2015 04:03 PM (Ltj2h)
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"I know several blued haired Lutheran ladies that wouldnt THINK of not wearing a hat to Sunday service."
But most of the ladies in the Lutheran blue-hair set aren't contemplating anything more criminal than jello with carrot shavings, or at worst, a tuna casserole with soggy noodles. I'm not so sure that's as true about hijab-wearers.
The hijab may not be probable cause, but it does speak to my situational awareness, all the same.
But most of the ladies in the Lutheran blue-hair set aren't contemplating anything more criminal than jello with carrot shavings, or at worst, a tuna casserole with soggy noodles. I'm not so sure that's as true about hijab-wearers.
The hijab may not be probable cause, but it does speak to my situational awareness, all the same.
Posted by: Qoheleth at December 07, 2015 04:04 PM (iIzG7)
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While I have no doubt that most Muslims in the US support the terrorists to one degree or another, I also believe there are many who are engaging in some sort of holding-pattern. That is, they are on the sidelines waiting to see how it all plays out.If we were to kick back hard at the terrorists and become "the strong horse", they might go along with us. But if we look weak, they'll continue to support their tribe.
Of course it's Catch-22. I actually believe that we do push a certain number of moderate Muslims to the terrorist side when we hit them hard. But I also believe doing nothing and looking weak pushes them to the terrorist side too. So what do we do?
Of course it's Catch-22. I actually believe that we do push a certain number of moderate Muslims to the terrorist side when we hit them hard. But I also believe doing nothing and looking weak pushes them to the terrorist side too. So what do we do?
Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2015 04:04 PM (gJT5J)
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I don't care who they are, if they cannot assimilate to their host country's culture, then return to your goat herds.
Of course, their "religion" aka cult, teaches them to conquer all lands and force peoples into their cult if they do not submit.
I am never going to submit and they can all go straight to their damn virgin goats. I read, today, on a Lufistana (sp) plane, a brilliant scholar decided he wanted to meet allah. The crew and passengers felt otherwise and "subdued" him. I hope he was beaten to a bloody pulp and has stumps for appendages. I think this was stress relief for some passengers. Just sayin'.
Oh, and the bit by prezzy about terror...I have never been afraid, you schumuck, since 9/11 and waiting for planes to drop out of the sky. Angry since then, you betcha. But not afraid of a bunch of greasy goat herders. I do watch, on planes, and there was one flying on a plane that I alone could have taken down (tiny little guy). So fear not, The Won, most of us are unafraid. It is your followers who fear, you limp wristed pot-head.
Of course, their "religion" aka cult, teaches them to conquer all lands and force peoples into their cult if they do not submit.
I am never going to submit and they can all go straight to their damn virgin goats. I read, today, on a Lufistana (sp) plane, a brilliant scholar decided he wanted to meet allah. The crew and passengers felt otherwise and "subdued" him. I hope he was beaten to a bloody pulp and has stumps for appendages. I think this was stress relief for some passengers. Just sayin'.
Oh, and the bit by prezzy about terror...I have never been afraid, you schumuck, since 9/11 and waiting for planes to drop out of the sky. Angry since then, you betcha. But not afraid of a bunch of greasy goat herders. I do watch, on planes, and there was one flying on a plane that I alone could have taken down (tiny little guy). So fear not, The Won, most of us are unafraid. It is your followers who fear, you limp wristed pot-head.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 04:04 PM (7lqMl)
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PSA: Remain calm. Jeb can fix it.
Posted by: Jeb! at December 07, 2015 04:04 PM (nSW/N)
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He describes the kibbutz as having been a disorganized, low productivity, low quality mess, and said that he wished more Jews would go and attempt to make socialism work on a micro scale on a kibbutz, and witness the many failures thereof, before prescribing socialism to everyone on a macro scale.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 07, 2015 04:02 PM (noWW6)
yeah yes and no...It's a lot more complicated than that.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 07, 2015 04:02 PM (noWW6)
yeah yes and no...It's a lot more complicated than that.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 04:04 PM (gf8BH)
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So I don't want to suggest that Rafia Farook committed a "mindcrime" here.
That's fine. But we can see yet more evidence that Islam and America are not compatible.
Do we really want to destroy America so we can keep "our" Islam?
That's fine. But we can see yet more evidence that Islam and America are not compatible.
Do we really want to destroy America so we can keep "our" Islam?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 07, 2015 04:04 PM (0NdlF)
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When Hitler took power there were some assimilated German Jews who welcomed the change because at last, someone would take harsh measures to stop the immigration of all those uncivilized Jews coming into Germany from the east. Certainly, Hitler didn't have any ill intentions toward those who were Germans first, and Jews second.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2015 04:04 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Bigby's Left Hook at December 07, 2015 04:05 PM (3ZtZW)
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I met an Israeli expat working in Silicon Valley, a proud entrepreneurial capitalist, who spent his formative years as a kibbutznik.
He describes the kibbutz as having been a disorganized, low productivity, low quality mess, and said that he wished more Jews would go and attempt to make socialism work on a micro scale on a kibbutz, and witness the many failures thereof, before prescribing socialism to everyone on a macro scale.
Posted by: torquewrench
a huge number of the kibbutzs have been turned into hotel/resorts. Israel has the largest number of start up high tech compnaies in the world, all private, hence the book "Start Up Nation"
He describes the kibbutz as having been a disorganized, low productivity, low quality mess, and said that he wished more Jews would go and attempt to make socialism work on a micro scale on a kibbutz, and witness the many failures thereof, before prescribing socialism to everyone on a macro scale.
Posted by: torquewrench
a huge number of the kibbutzs have been turned into hotel/resorts. Israel has the largest number of start up high tech compnaies in the world, all private, hence the book "Start Up Nation"
Posted by: ThunderB at December 07, 2015 04:05 PM (zOTsN)
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Jesus gave us bacon.
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 04:01 PM (Fmupd)
It had a bit of a demon aftertaste, though.
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 04:01 PM (Fmupd)
It had a bit of a demon aftertaste, though.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2015 04:06 PM (8ZskC)
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We need to take steps to stop this -- and that includes, as the most minimal of minima, asking would-be immigrants what they believe, ideologically and religiously, rather than taking the position that it's "unfair" to ask them that.
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It wouldn't have helped in this case. The guy was OK, living the American dream. Then he read THE BOOK. And it was all over.
If I wasn't an atheist I'd say THE BOOK is Satanic. But it should be banned. It's poisonous. It's a deadly mind trap. It turns normal people into murderers.
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It wouldn't have helped in this case. The guy was OK, living the American dream. Then he read THE BOOK. And it was all over.
If I wasn't an atheist I'd say THE BOOK is Satanic. But it should be banned. It's poisonous. It's a deadly mind trap. It turns normal people into murderers.
Posted by: despair at December 07, 2015 04:06 PM (VrdxH)
Posted by: Yo! at December 07, 2015 04:06 PM (GwIKd)
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324 Guys I know some Muslims, and they aren't double secret psycho jihadis just waiting to be activated.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
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So they told you anyway. They're very nice to all of the infidels until they're not.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
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So they told you anyway. They're very nice to all of the infidels until they're not.
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 04:06 PM (Fmupd)
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As always, it comes back to those darn Amish!>>>
Clop Clop Clop Clop Bang Bang Bang Clop Clop Clop Clop
The sound of an Amish drive by.
Clop Clop Clop Clop Bang Bang Bang Clop Clop Clop Clop
The sound of an Amish drive by.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 07, 2015 04:07 PM (XtAzU)
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Ask those guys if they'd like to see sharia become the law of the land someday, for some day America to become a Muslim country. Ask them to be honest
Ask a Christian if they would like Christianity to be the dominant religion in America again, and for the nation to be openly Christian? Ask them if they think the Bible should be the baseline guide for law and culture in America. Ask them to be honest.
Because I'll say yes to all those. But that doesn't mean I want to conquer the country, support people who'd kill to make it happen, or pay for people to do so. Merely being in favor of your culture and religion being dominant doesn't translate into "therefore I am fine with killing to make it happen."
Ask a Christian if they would like Christianity to be the dominant religion in America again, and for the nation to be openly Christian? Ask them if they think the Bible should be the baseline guide for law and culture in America. Ask them to be honest.
Because I'll say yes to all those. But that doesn't mean I want to conquer the country, support people who'd kill to make it happen, or pay for people to do so. Merely being in favor of your culture and religion being dominant doesn't translate into "therefore I am fine with killing to make it happen."
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:07 PM (39g3+)
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I'm just wondering why people, like say the Amish, who don't want to fully assimilate into our society, aren't running around demanding more, becoming the poster children for liberal causes and shooting people who don't agree with them...
Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2015 04:07 PM (GGCsk)
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311:"you're guilty of the same sort of unreasoning tribal hatred you're criticizing other people for; the difference is that you like your tribe, and don't like theirs.'
Not all hatred is unreasoning. Why is it bad to hate your enemies? The ones who are dedicated to eradicating you and everything you believe in?
It is well and good to put on the smoking jacket and sit around sipping chardonnays whilst discussing differences of opinion.
But when the knives (and bombs) come out, and your enemy (in the truest sense of the term) is coming for your throat, what is wrong with hating that enemy?
It is not necessary to hate an enemy in order to fight them. But in the human condition, it helps some fight their enemy and stay "sane".
We probably didn't hate ALL of the Japanese. But it didn't stop us from nuking them.
Not all hatred is unreasoning. Why is it bad to hate your enemies? The ones who are dedicated to eradicating you and everything you believe in?
It is well and good to put on the smoking jacket and sit around sipping chardonnays whilst discussing differences of opinion.
But when the knives (and bombs) come out, and your enemy (in the truest sense of the term) is coming for your throat, what is wrong with hating that enemy?
It is not necessary to hate an enemy in order to fight them. But in the human condition, it helps some fight their enemy and stay "sane".
We probably didn't hate ALL of the Japanese. But it didn't stop us from nuking them.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 04:07 PM (UPYPp)
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359---you answered your own question. If groups like the Amish don't want to assimilate, then they have no right to make demands on the rest of us. The Amish get that.
The Muslims don't.
The Muslims don't.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2015 04:09 PM (gJT5J)
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Anyway, yeah its no surprise Moslems believe in sharia and supremacy and jews oughta die and etc etc becoz that's what their holy book prophesizes.
Its like if you asked a Christian should the temple mount be obliterated off the face of the earth so that the temple can never be restored? They'd say hell no.
Its like if you asked a Christian should the temple mount be obliterated off the face of the earth so that the temple can never be restored? They'd say hell no.
Posted by: Bigby's Left Hook at December 07, 2015 04:09 PM (3ZtZW)
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The guy was OK, living the American dream. Then he read THE BOOK. And it was all over.
I'm skeptical of this narrative we're being fed. If his mom was some kind of radical extremist, chances are he was exposed to it long before he read a Koran. My guess is he was not terribly religious but was fine with the idea of the cause until he finally was.
I'm skeptical of this narrative we're being fed. If his mom was some kind of radical extremist, chances are he was exposed to it long before he read a Koran. My guess is he was not terribly religious but was fine with the idea of the cause until he finally was.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:09 PM (39g3+)
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it should NOT be banned
it should be read, exposed, and subjected to withering historical critique
people should come to regard it as pitiful if it were not so catastrophic
faithful non-violent muslims who want to live in a pluralist society should abandon mainstream Islam for something really worthy of their religious impulses
not this absurd fraud called the "Koran"
it should be read, exposed, and subjected to withering historical critique
people should come to regard it as pitiful if it were not so catastrophic
faithful non-violent muslims who want to live in a pluralist society should abandon mainstream Islam for something really worthy of their religious impulses
not this absurd fraud called the "Koran"
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 04:09 PM (IUhaV)
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the whole family is suspicious Harun
Sister and BIL say they had no clue and had just talked to him the week before. Grandma jihad told the lawyers she had no clue. riiigghhhtt
father, who was estranged from him, said he loved ISIS and hated Israel
somebody is lying here. You investigate EVERYONE close to the jihadis, to rule them out. You don't wait until they do something bad, or assume that because they are a vet they should not be investigated at all
Posted by: ThunderB
Im going with Dad, mom and kid went off the jhadi deep end, divorced and kicked his ass out.
Sister and BIL say they had no clue and had just talked to him the week before. Grandma jihad told the lawyers she had no clue. riiigghhhtt
father, who was estranged from him, said he loved ISIS and hated Israel
somebody is lying here. You investigate EVERYONE close to the jihadis, to rule them out. You don't wait until they do something bad, or assume that because they are a vet they should not be investigated at all
Posted by: ThunderB
Im going with Dad, mom and kid went off the jhadi deep end, divorced and kicked his ass out.
Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2015 04:10 PM (fBkaR)
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I get being afraid and mostly just angry at harboring murderous enemies in our midst. I agree more should be done to stop them. But we need to love freedom and protect it more than indulging in fear. Part of the price of liberty is danger from people who will abuse it.
How do you square "harboring murderous enemies" with "freedom"?
How do you square "harboring murderous enemies" with "freedom"?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2015 04:10 PM (MZVOx)
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>>> When Hitler took power there were some assimilated German Jews who welcomed the change because at last, someone would take harsh measures to stop the immigration of all those uncivilized Jews coming into Germany from the east. Certainly, Hitler didn't have any ill intentions toward those who were Germans first, and Jews second.
How true. Finally watched Woman in Gold. The Bloch-Bauers were secular Jews firmly entrenched in elite Vienna society. Yet the Nazis still raided their home of its treasures and sent family members to the camps.
You have to be careful what you unleash...
How true. Finally watched Woman in Gold. The Bloch-Bauers were secular Jews firmly entrenched in elite Vienna society. Yet the Nazis still raided their home of its treasures and sent family members to the camps.
You have to be careful what you unleash...
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 04:10 PM (hvf9s)
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Ask a Christian if they would like Christianity to be the dominant
religion in America again, and for the nation to be openly Christian?
Ask them if they think the Bible should be the baseline guide for law
and culture in America. Ask them to be honest.
Because I'll say yes to all those. But that doesn't mean I want to
conquer the country, support people who'd kill to make it happen, or pay
for people to do so. Merely being in favor of your culture and
religion being dominant doesn't translate into "therefore I am fine with
killing to make it happen."
This is analogous to the situation with the media. I hope to God that MSNBC, the NYT, WaPo, CNN, etc. all fail dismally - in the marketplace - and follow Air America into the crapper of history.
But I would strenuously object to their being closed by the government. The marketplace, yes; the government, no.
In contrast, leftists invariably call for the government to muzzle Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, conservative blogs, climate deniers, etc.
And that is a fundamental philosophical difference.
religion in America again, and for the nation to be openly Christian?
Ask them if they think the Bible should be the baseline guide for law
and culture in America. Ask them to be honest.
Because I'll say yes to all those. But that doesn't mean I want to
conquer the country, support people who'd kill to make it happen, or pay
for people to do so. Merely being in favor of your culture and
religion being dominant doesn't translate into "therefore I am fine with
killing to make it happen."
This is analogous to the situation with the media. I hope to God that MSNBC, the NYT, WaPo, CNN, etc. all fail dismally - in the marketplace - and follow Air America into the crapper of history.
But I would strenuously object to their being closed by the government. The marketplace, yes; the government, no.
In contrast, leftists invariably call for the government to muzzle Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, conservative blogs, climate deniers, etc.
And that is a fundamental philosophical difference.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 07, 2015 04:10 PM (oKE6c)
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huh?
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 07, 2015 04:11 PM (E5UB0)
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This is not brown-nosing, but Ace brought up what I think is the MOST IMPORTANT POINT.
Coming to the US and living here from another country is a PRIVILEGE.
Conflating rights and privileges will get us into the hellhole that is the ME. It is a privilege to come here, and on the whole, the US is welcoming and tolerant.
There is no RIGHT to come into this country.
Coming to the US and living here from another country is a PRIVILEGE.
Conflating rights and privileges will get us into the hellhole that is the ME. It is a privilege to come here, and on the whole, the US is welcoming and tolerant.
There is no RIGHT to come into this country.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 07, 2015 04:11 PM (MIKMs)
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Because I'll say yes to all those. But that doesn't mean I want to conquer the country, support people who'd kill to make it happen, or pay for people to do so. Merely being in favor of your culture and religion being dominant doesn't translate into "therefore I am fine with killing to make it happen."
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:07 PM (39g
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Christians don't. Muzzies do.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:07 PM (39g
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Christians don't. Muzzies do.
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 04:11 PM (Fmupd)
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Organizations like ICNA, CAIR, LaRaza, etc should all come under the Klan model: in which the odds the member you are talking to is an FBI plant are higher than they are being an actual member.
Posted by: Country Singer at December 07, 2015 04:11 PM (8Y7+f)
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KEEP IN MIND THE BROTHER OF THE SHOOTER WAS IN THE U.S. NAVY AND IS NOT A TERRORIST.
Membership in obama's military is no guarantee of loyalty to America.
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remember black hawk down, one of aziz's kids joined the usmc to learn how to fight when back home.
Membership in obama's military is no guarantee of loyalty to America.
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remember black hawk down, one of aziz's kids joined the usmc to learn how to fight when back home.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:11 PM (P+ME4)
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Merely being in favor of your culture and religion being dominant doesn't translate into "therefore I am fine with killing to make it happen."
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Unless that's what your religion sez to do.
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Unless that's what your religion sez to do.
Posted by: Bigby's Left Hook at December 07, 2015 04:11 PM (3ZtZW)
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That's actually not true. What was negated were the ceremonial laws, since ritual purification was no longer needed: Jesus provided perfect righteousness and paid for sin. The moral law is simply a reflection of God's perfect character and that cannot be nullified.
So: don't eat shellfish and wash your hands 7 times before eating - negated. Thou Shalt Not Kill: still applicable.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:55 PM (39g3+)
No negation. Christian is a different identity than Jew. (Though a Christian can practice Jewish law)
Paul and Peter were Jews. Most Christian converts since then are not.
So: don't eat shellfish and wash your hands 7 times before eating - negated. Thou Shalt Not Kill: still applicable.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:55 PM (39g3+)
No negation. Christian is a different identity than Jew. (Though a Christian can practice Jewish law)
Paul and Peter were Jews. Most Christian converts since then are not.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 07, 2015 04:11 PM (0NdlF)
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If groups like the Amish don't want to assimilate, then they have no right to make demands on the rest of us. The Amish get that.
Or at least the demands must be minimal in impact (taking vows, for example for some religious groups, or conscientious objectors). Its one thing to be different from your surroundings and to ask for a few minor concessions so you can live your life. Its another to demand everyone around you change so you can control their lives.
Or at least the demands must be minimal in impact (taking vows, for example for some religious groups, or conscientious objectors). Its one thing to be different from your surroundings and to ask for a few minor concessions so you can live your life. Its another to demand everyone around you change so you can control their lives.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:12 PM (39g3+)
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You have to appreciate the irony, that on Pearl Harbor Day, people are trying to reason that complete annihilation of people who are trying to destroy your society should be some type of antiseptic, reasoned, discriminate exercise conducted over tea- otherwise it's "un-American" and "against our values".
Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2015 04:12 PM (GGCsk)
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The benefits of diversity are always a matter of dosage. At 1 or 2%, goatfuckers can seem exotic and romantic (see Obama), at 10% and up, its all head chopping and flying gays. This is when the slave girls come in. Stuff you learn about male territoriality in the ghetto wars.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 07, 2015 04:12 PM (oDCMR)
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344 "I know several blued haired Lutheran ladies that wouldnt THINK of not wearing a hat to Sunday service."
But most of the ladies in the Lutheran blue-hair set aren't contemplating anything more criminal than jello with carrot shavings, or at worst, a tuna casserole with soggy noodles.
******.
Don't give them ideas, they might put tuna in the jello next.
But most of the ladies in the Lutheran blue-hair set aren't contemplating anything more criminal than jello with carrot shavings, or at worst, a tuna casserole with soggy noodles.
******.
Don't give them ideas, they might put tuna in the jello next.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 07, 2015 04:12 PM (mcm0N)
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Heh.... its here.... then > it's gone again.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2015 04:12 PM (8XRCm)
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heh, jg saved his own posteior from the bottle.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 07, 2015 04:12 PM (E5UB0)
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I've often said that a "good Muslim" who doesn't believe in things like Sharia, the subservience of women and the killing of infidels is simply an apostate who is unfamiliar with the tenets of his (or her) faith.
There is a common thread here. You can either ignore it or recognize it and be called names.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2015 04:02 PM (GGCsk)
It's a war manual that creates killers by stunting and cutting off (all too literally, in some cases) the emotional, familial, and sexual appetites of its members, and substituting submission to the religion in their place.
Wahhabi and salafist jihadists are literalists. They're fundamentalist. It means in a piety competition they win. So a serious devotee of the faith with a peaceful heart is either a sufi mystic, (which makes them an apostate in Raqqa and Riyadh alike), or is left debating arcane scriptural details and trying to ignore all the blood.
Three essential points to raise with your leftist friends and loved ones re:islam.
-What taquiyya and kitman are
-The fact that the hadith and sunna exist
-quranic abrogation and what it means
There is a common thread here. You can either ignore it or recognize it and be called names.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2015 04:02 PM (GGCsk)
It's a war manual that creates killers by stunting and cutting off (all too literally, in some cases) the emotional, familial, and sexual appetites of its members, and substituting submission to the religion in their place.
Wahhabi and salafist jihadists are literalists. They're fundamentalist. It means in a piety competition they win. So a serious devotee of the faith with a peaceful heart is either a sufi mystic, (which makes them an apostate in Raqqa and Riyadh alike), or is left debating arcane scriptural details and trying to ignore all the blood.
Three essential points to raise with your leftist friends and loved ones re:islam.
-What taquiyya and kitman are
-The fact that the hadith and sunna exist
-quranic abrogation and what it means
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 07, 2015 04:12 PM (FfVIs)
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There is nothing good about Islam.
Nothing.
Posted by: Yo! at December 07, 2015 04:06 PM (GwIKd)
Their architecture and art is pretty?
Nothing.
Posted by: Yo! at December 07, 2015 04:06 PM (GwIKd)
Their architecture and art is pretty?
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 04:12 PM (hvf9s)
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battle
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 07, 2015 04:12 PM (E5UB0)
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The Dems love to blur the citizen/ non-citizen distinction. Did the same when trying to claim terrorists had due process rights or should have access to US Courts.
Posted by: pashmr at December 07, 2015 04:12 PM (3aNC4)
Posted by: eman at December 07, 2015 04:13 PM (mR7Es)
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barrel
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 07, 2015 04:13 PM (E5UB0)
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Yep, everyone tip-toes around chunks of 3/4" galvanized pipe on the floor intermingled with maybe 10-20 lbs of Clays Universal.
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Smokeless powder will not work as an explosive.
Black powder on the other hand.......
Posted by: fixerupper
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What about baby powder?
Yep, everyone tip-toes around chunks of 3/4" galvanized pipe on the floor intermingled with maybe 10-20 lbs of Clays Universal.
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Smokeless powder will not work as an explosive.
Black powder on the other hand.......
Posted by: fixerupper
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What about baby powder?
Posted by: Farook the genius dead bombmaker at December 07, 2015 04:13 PM (HgMAr)
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chris, that's a dodge
I would love for Christianity to permeate American society through and through
but absolutely NOT for it to be an "established" church
Islam wants to be *established,* and subjugate all other religions legally
you know that, they know that, we all know that
the Prez could be forthright and spell this out in front of all the US imams, and that would be a contribution
but he knows -- as do we all -- that Muslims do not want to live alongside anybody else
they want to rule
I would love for Christianity to permeate American society through and through
but absolutely NOT for it to be an "established" church
Islam wants to be *established,* and subjugate all other religions legally
you know that, they know that, we all know that
the Prez could be forthright and spell this out in front of all the US imams, and that would be a contribution
but he knows -- as do we all -- that Muslims do not want to live alongside anybody else
they want to rule
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 04:13 PM (IUhaV)
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>>> Clop Clop Clop Clop Bang Bang Bang Clop Clop Clop Clop
The sound of an Amish drive by.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 07, 2015 04:07 PM (XtAzU)
Made me LOL! Luckily no coworkers around!
The sound of an Amish drive by.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 07, 2015 04:07 PM (XtAzU)
Made me LOL! Luckily no coworkers around!
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 04:13 PM (hvf9s)
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Paul and Peter were Jews. Most Christian converts since then are not.
Peter was the one that God said "you can eat anything you want, that does not apply in the new covenant." Those laws were fulfilled and hence needless in Christ. The entire purpose of all the cleanliness and ceremonial laws was to teach purity and the need for absolute holiness.
Jesus Christ provides that perfect righteousness in his life and pays the price for our lack of that in his death.
Peter was the one that God said "you can eat anything you want, that does not apply in the new covenant." Those laws were fulfilled and hence needless in Christ. The entire purpose of all the cleanliness and ceremonial laws was to teach purity and the need for absolute holiness.
Jesus Christ provides that perfect righteousness in his life and pays the price for our lack of that in his death.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:13 PM (39g3+)
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Considering the FBI is under the control of the Administration, it wouldn't be a long shot to imagine G-men (who are sick of having to couch everything as something OTHER THAN Islamic terror attacks) to have left a bunch of "evidence" behind knowing the cultures in the media would tear each other apart to be FIRST (!) to aire it. Lol... Probably the only way much of the evidence will see the light of day..
Posted by: Hillary's Green Envy at December 07, 2015 04:13 PM (7YnaR)
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You have to understand the grievances of the Muslim community before judging this action.
So, I have an obligation to try to understand the sick minds of people who commit murder?
No, actually I don't.
Part of the problem with Obama and this administration is that they try waaay too hard to understand grievances of people who want to kill us.
In other words, he is a pussy, and the people who want to kill us know it.
So, I have an obligation to try to understand the sick minds of people who commit murder?
No, actually I don't.
Part of the problem with Obama and this administration is that they try waaay too hard to understand grievances of people who want to kill us.
In other words, he is a pussy, and the people who want to kill us know it.
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 07, 2015 04:13 PM (kGrwF)
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Every time some scumbag blows up people or carries out some terrorist act, a small group of Muslims says "this is wrong!!!" They aren't all lying you know? Some of them really mean it and are really upset.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:47 PM (39g3+)
I would imagine some of the decent ones are simply afraid to speak out - afraid they and their families will be targeted as the Islamic equivalent of Uncle Toms.
It's not like Muzzie terrorists have any qualms about targeting other Muzzies who they think aren't toeing the line.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 03:47 PM (39g3+)
I would imagine some of the decent ones are simply afraid to speak out - afraid they and their families will be targeted as the Islamic equivalent of Uncle Toms.
It's not like Muzzie terrorists have any qualms about targeting other Muzzies who they think aren't toeing the line.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 07, 2015 04:14 PM (u0lmX)
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Gosh, Mom, your pipe bombs are the best!
Posted by: eman at December 07, 2015 04:14 PM (mR7Es)
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Vultures..I meant vultures!
Posted by: Hillary's Green Envy at December 07, 2015 04:14 PM (7YnaR)
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What about baby powder?
Posted by: Farook the genius dead bombmaker at December 07, 2015 04:13 PM (HgMAr)
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Nope.... use FOOT powder.
Posted by: Farook the genius dead bombmaker at December 07, 2015 04:13 PM (HgMAr)
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Nope.... use FOOT powder.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2015 04:14 PM (8XRCm)
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Of course, now the evidence against her is ruined.
Posted by: eman at December 07, 2015 04:15 PM (mR7Es)
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 04:15 PM (IUhaV)
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You have to understand the grievances of the Muslim community before judging this action.
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That kind of bullshit just enrages me.
There is no possible justification for any Muslim in America to start randomly blowing away people (at work, or anyplace else) because they have some complaint about how Muslims are treated in some other country, or because somebody teased them about their beard, or because somebody drew a cartoon they didn't like, or because somebody disagreed with them about the peaceful nature of Islam, or because somebody looked at them funny, or any of a million other stupid rationalizations.
IOW, we Americans do NOT need to hear or understand the grievances, real or imagined, of the Muslim scum who commit this kind of mass murder because there is NO POSSIBLE JUSTIFICATION for this kind of violence, ever, and certainly not here, in a land that has taken in millions of these miserable ingrates, and spent trillions of dollars and sacrificed thousands of American lives to help Muslims in Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and many other places.
So GFY, CAIR and the bottom-sucking shysters defending these vile killers. There is NO grievance on the face of this earth that justifies what these low-life killers have done. NONE.
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That kind of bullshit just enrages me.
There is no possible justification for any Muslim in America to start randomly blowing away people (at work, or anyplace else) because they have some complaint about how Muslims are treated in some other country, or because somebody teased them about their beard, or because somebody drew a cartoon they didn't like, or because somebody disagreed with them about the peaceful nature of Islam, or because somebody looked at them funny, or any of a million other stupid rationalizations.
IOW, we Americans do NOT need to hear or understand the grievances, real or imagined, of the Muslim scum who commit this kind of mass murder because there is NO POSSIBLE JUSTIFICATION for this kind of violence, ever, and certainly not here, in a land that has taken in millions of these miserable ingrates, and spent trillions of dollars and sacrificed thousands of American lives to help Muslims in Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and many other places.
So GFY, CAIR and the bottom-sucking shysters defending these vile killers. There is NO grievance on the face of this earth that justifies what these low-life killers have done. NONE.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 07, 2015 04:15 PM (a31sM)
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Can we finally dispose of this nonsense narrative that mommy and daddy innocently dropped their baby off with the clueless grandmother while they went on their way to jihad behind their back?
She had to have been aware of the bomb factory in their apartment. She had to have been aware that their kids were going off to slaughter. I'm even getting a slight suspicion that this guy who was willing to profess his willingness to destroy israel might not have been to quiet about his desire to kill in his mosque. If they didn't find his behavior unusual it may simply be because it wasn't unusual to talk that way there.
She had to have been aware of the bomb factory in their apartment. She had to have been aware that their kids were going off to slaughter. I'm even getting a slight suspicion that this guy who was willing to profess his willingness to destroy israel might not have been to quiet about his desire to kill in his mosque. If they didn't find his behavior unusual it may simply be because it wasn't unusual to talk that way there.
Posted by: bskb at December 07, 2015 04:15 PM (+R1CB)
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 04:16 PM (IUhaV)
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Drop in the bucket. The big numbers are from Chinese and Indian students. If we lost student visas from majority Muslim nations, most US schools wouldn't even notice financially.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 07, 2015 03:53 PM (Xd2w5)
Yeah. because they're now importing all the children of the rich Chinese industrialists instead.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 07, 2015 03:53 PM (Xd2w5)
Yeah. because they're now importing all the children of the rich Chinese industrialists instead.
Posted by: Iblis at December 07, 2015 04:16 PM (9221z)
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Vlad the impaler and ChristyBlinky beat me to it..
Posted by: Hillary's Green Envy at December 07, 2015 04:16 PM (7YnaR)
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chris, that's a dodge
No, its just an imperfect analogy. The basic point remains: you can be for something without having the slightest urge or support for it being imposed.
You have to appreciate the irony, that on Pearl Harbor Day, people are trying to reason that complete annihilation of people who are trying to destroy your society should be some type of antiseptic, reasoned, discriminate exercise
There was never a time whatsoever, even they day after Pearl Harbor, in which the American people or government or military had the goal or desire to absolutely obliterate all of Japan, its culture, and its people.
No, its just an imperfect analogy. The basic point remains: you can be for something without having the slightest urge or support for it being imposed.
You have to appreciate the irony, that on Pearl Harbor Day, people are trying to reason that complete annihilation of people who are trying to destroy your society should be some type of antiseptic, reasoned, discriminate exercise
There was never a time whatsoever, even they day after Pearl Harbor, in which the American people or government or military had the goal or desire to absolutely obliterate all of Japan, its culture, and its people.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:16 PM (39g3+)
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So they told you anyway. They're very nice to all of the infidels until they're not.
Posted by: Soona
Reminds one of the Iranian I recruited for my company back in the day - pre-9-11. Worked with him for say six months.
He was living the Jersey Shore life, chains and Polo, Crystal and dames on the weekend. Then one day at breakfast, out of nowhere, pipes up with, "Well, if I was a Palestinian I'd push all those damned Jews into the sea."
You never ever know a man's true heart until he reveals it to you.
So they told you anyway. They're very nice to all of the infidels until they're not.
Posted by: Soona
Reminds one of the Iranian I recruited for my company back in the day - pre-9-11. Worked with him for say six months.
He was living the Jersey Shore life, chains and Polo, Crystal and dames on the weekend. Then one day at breakfast, out of nowhere, pipes up with, "Well, if I was a Palestinian I'd push all those damned Jews into the sea."
You never ever know a man's true heart until he reveals it to you.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 07, 2015 04:16 PM (kdS6q)
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You have to understand the grievances of the Muslim community before judging this action.
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we are infidels, we need to convert. All good muslims know this to be true.
Also, we're weak, gullible sissies who find their complaints terrifying, so they know they should just make up shit.
We don't understand them and project our values on to them.
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we are infidels, we need to convert. All good muslims know this to be true.
Also, we're weak, gullible sissies who find their complaints terrifying, so they know they should just make up shit.
We don't understand them and project our values on to them.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:17 PM (P+ME4)
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After 9/11 I realized the moderate mooslems are simply afraid. What kind of religion is that? I mean, post Reformation, I say what I want and have to a leader what I thought and I do not fear death in the church square. I mean, bite moi.
Now, I am not keen on going to hell, but think that the God I believe in forgives me from the Bad Christy who sometimes lurks here and vents her evil heart out. Does not mean I am ripping hijabs off wimmen in TJ Maxx because I go Mad Max now and then.
The Muslims meeting for reform this week have courage, because to doubt any part of their religion is automatic fatwa. To leave: fatwa. To change to another religion: fatwa, fatwa, fatwa, never ending fatwa. I guess you could, upon the beheading block, declare: taqqyia and all will be well with the fatty fatwas thrown at you.
Christianity does not preach beheadings of non-believers nor those who stray from the fold. They do not condemn other religions. You have choices, or as I see them, paths to take. Either I'll see you in heaven or I won't, but I won't behead you, bless your heart. (Evil Christy appears).
This is not saying I won't keel you if you try to behead me, as, well, I am human and a redneck trained up in the fields of the deep South to fight. Sorry about that. NOT. Bite moi! (This saying my MIL, totally into the cult of The Won and gun control, once said she "could not kill." I was, well, "I am not planning on it...but could do it if some jackass breaks in and/or threatens someone I love." I even brought up her late husband, as an invalid, could she defend him? Nope). Whatevah.
Now, I am not keen on going to hell, but think that the God I believe in forgives me from the Bad Christy who sometimes lurks here and vents her evil heart out. Does not mean I am ripping hijabs off wimmen in TJ Maxx because I go Mad Max now and then.
The Muslims meeting for reform this week have courage, because to doubt any part of their religion is automatic fatwa. To leave: fatwa. To change to another religion: fatwa, fatwa, fatwa, never ending fatwa. I guess you could, upon the beheading block, declare: taqqyia and all will be well with the fatty fatwas thrown at you.
Christianity does not preach beheadings of non-believers nor those who stray from the fold. They do not condemn other religions. You have choices, or as I see them, paths to take. Either I'll see you in heaven or I won't, but I won't behead you, bless your heart. (Evil Christy appears).
This is not saying I won't keel you if you try to behead me, as, well, I am human and a redneck trained up in the fields of the deep South to fight. Sorry about that. NOT. Bite moi! (This saying my MIL, totally into the cult of The Won and gun control, once said she "could not kill." I was, well, "I am not planning on it...but could do it if some jackass breaks in and/or threatens someone I love." I even brought up her late husband, as an invalid, could she defend him? Nope). Whatevah.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 04:17 PM (7lqMl)
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"You have to understand the grievances of the Muslim community before judging this action.
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How about you understand the grievances of America against Islam, and the incompatibility with our culture.
You know, since you are in our country Sparky.
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How about you understand the grievances of America against Islam, and the incompatibility with our culture.
You know, since you are in our country Sparky.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2015 04:17 PM (GGCsk)
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"but absolutely NOT for it to be an "established" church"
Having established churches funded by the state has not worked out very well in Europe, has it?
"but absolutely NOT for it to be an "established" church"
Having established churches funded by the state has not worked out very well in Europe, has it?
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 07, 2015 04:17 PM (u0lmX)
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Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 07, 2015 04:07 PM (UPYPp)
I think Ace was mostly concerned about the manner in which they were expressing themselves and the epithets they used to describe those they hated.
I would not have the same attitude towards Muslims if not for my personal observations of the actions of their coreligionists around the world for the last 40 years.
Combine that with the apparent lack of any movement within Islam to nullify the zealots and make changes to the Koran or to popular belief to make the Islamic Jihadists claims null.
Or for the religious scholars to unite and condemn those who take up the sword to kill their fellow Muslims and the Kaffir.
But there hasn't been that movement and their hasn't been that unity and in general more and more Islamic NATIONS have joined in to approve and fund those who attack the west and Israel.
So regardless of their apparent harmlessness, I'm suspicious and concerned about their truthfulness of their intentions.
Let alone that the Left trumpets their protection whenever one of their ilk kills some Americans.
Islam needs to be understood as not being a religion as other beliefs are. I don't know if this is possible and of course it could be used against Christians and others.
But something needs to be done. But as Donald said, we won't get anything done about Islam until Obama is gone.
I think Ace was mostly concerned about the manner in which they were expressing themselves and the epithets they used to describe those they hated.
I would not have the same attitude towards Muslims if not for my personal observations of the actions of their coreligionists around the world for the last 40 years.
Combine that with the apparent lack of any movement within Islam to nullify the zealots and make changes to the Koran or to popular belief to make the Islamic Jihadists claims null.
Or for the religious scholars to unite and condemn those who take up the sword to kill their fellow Muslims and the Kaffir.
But there hasn't been that movement and their hasn't been that unity and in general more and more Islamic NATIONS have joined in to approve and fund those who attack the west and Israel.
So regardless of their apparent harmlessness, I'm suspicious and concerned about their truthfulness of their intentions.
Let alone that the Left trumpets their protection whenever one of their ilk kills some Americans.
Islam needs to be understood as not being a religion as other beliefs are. I don't know if this is possible and of course it could be used against Christians and others.
But something needs to be done. But as Donald said, we won't get anything done about Islam until Obama is gone.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 04:17 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Poor fucking Rahm is struggling with some implausible lies in his press conference.
It seems even liberal reporters are getting tired of looking the other way.
It seems even liberal reporters are getting tired of looking the other way.
Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2015 04:17 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 07, 2015 04:18 PM (NjiZL)
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it should be read, exposed, and subjected to withering historical critique
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If you can prove, conclusively, the Koran had changed over time it would be similar to proving Jesus died of old age, no cross no resurrection.
Of course you would die bitter, alone, hunted, and broke, but you would have done the world a great service.
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If you can prove, conclusively, the Koran had changed over time it would be similar to proving Jesus died of old age, no cross no resurrection.
Of course you would die bitter, alone, hunted, and broke, but you would have done the world a great service.
Posted by: Bigby's Left Hook at December 07, 2015 04:18 PM (3ZtZW)
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You have to understand the grievances of the Muslim community before judging this action.
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why?
fuck them sideways with a rasher of bacon.
What accomodation to western society is muz world doing for us? Which muz country has taken in 10% of its population in western christians in last 20 years? Where are local muz celebrations muted so as to not offend newly arrived Christians or Hindus or whatever?
nowhere?
well, then fuck you.
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why?
fuck them sideways with a rasher of bacon.
What accomodation to western society is muz world doing for us? Which muz country has taken in 10% of its population in western christians in last 20 years? Where are local muz celebrations muted so as to not offend newly arrived Christians or Hindus or whatever?
nowhere?
well, then fuck you.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:18 PM (P+ME4)
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It's not like Muzzie terrorists have any qualms about targeting other Muzzies who they think aren't toeing the line.
Yeah, that seems to be a preferred target, which actually isn't surprising. The first target for any zealot is the heretic.
You have to understand the grievances of the Muslim community before judging this action.
This is just idiotic. The fact is, some actions negate the rightness of your cause, even if you had justifiable complaints. It does not matter what grievances you have if you go on a murderous rampage. Terrorism negates any justification you can bring up.
Yeah, that seems to be a preferred target, which actually isn't surprising. The first target for any zealot is the heretic.
You have to understand the grievances of the Muslim community before judging this action.
This is just idiotic. The fact is, some actions negate the rightness of your cause, even if you had justifiable complaints. It does not matter what grievances you have if you go on a murderous rampage. Terrorism negates any justification you can bring up.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:18 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Eve at December 07, 2015 04:18 PM (FkBIv)
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There was never a time whatsoever, even they day after Pearl Harbor, in which the American people or government or military had the goal or desire to absolutely obliterate all of Japan, its culture, and its people.
Except perhaps that very evening:
"When we're done, the only place that the Japanese language will be spoken will be in Hell"
Admiral Bill Halsey, aboard USS Enterprise, as she entered Pearl harbor, evening of Dec. 7 1941.
Except perhaps that very evening:
"When we're done, the only place that the Japanese language will be spoken will be in Hell"
Admiral Bill Halsey, aboard USS Enterprise, as she entered Pearl harbor, evening of Dec. 7 1941.
Posted by: Papist Bograt at December 07, 2015 04:19 PM (326rv)
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>>> can NBC and MSNBC be prosecuted for tampering with a crime scene
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 04:16 PM (IUhaV)
A journalist and cameraman from FOX News was also in there Friday, were let in around 1pm. Place was a madhouse with I would say at least 12-15 news groups crowded in. What evidence did the other news sites pick up? Who were they, what were their credentials?
Ugh such a clusterfark.
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 04:16 PM (IUhaV)
A journalist and cameraman from FOX News was also in there Friday, were let in around 1pm. Place was a madhouse with I would say at least 12-15 news groups crowded in. What evidence did the other news sites pick up? Who were they, what were their credentials?
Ugh such a clusterfark.
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 04:19 PM (hvf9s)
420
Would you like an apple with that?
Posted by: Eve at December 07, 2015 04:18 PM (FkBIv)
Applewood?
Posted by: Eve at December 07, 2015 04:18 PM (FkBIv)
Applewood?
Posted by: Iblis at December 07, 2015 04:20 PM (9221z)
421
I've often said that a "good Muslim" who doesn't believe in things like Sharia, the subservience of women and the killing of infidels is simply an apostate who is unfamiliar with the tenets of his (or her) faith.
There is a common thread here. You can either ignore it or recognize it and be called names.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2015 04:02 PM (GGCsk)
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that's not a good muslim, that's a good person,
people in wesst project their humanistic values on to a people who don't share them.
There is a common thread here. You can either ignore it or recognize it and be called names.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2015 04:02 PM (GGCsk)
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that's not a good muslim, that's a good person,
people in wesst project their humanistic values on to a people who don't share them.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:20 PM (P+ME4)
422
What's wrong with that? You are a bunch of racists. You don't deserve any guns. Barky wants to take away all your scary rifles. It would be a complete ban except for Barky's security team. That's fair. Think of it this way, Barky rolled his friends car in Hawaii and came out unscathed. He has now rolled a bigger car and came out unscathed. Barky blows but I stand behind him during his most intimate times and so should you. America is mucked but DC is a great place. Good evening.
Posted by: Barney F. at December 07, 2015 04:20 PM (FJH98)
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 04:21 PM (IUhaV)
424
Farook was inspired at an early age when mommy first tried to microwave an egg.
Posted by: wth at December 07, 2015 04:21 PM (HgMAr)
425
If you can prove, conclusively, the Koran had changed over time it would be similar to proving Jesus died of old age, no cross no resurrection.
It actually wouldn't be tough to do. There are some really, really old copies of the Koran out there which could be compared with newer ones. But of course, the people who own these copies will not allow it.
I think they know deep down that its changed, but pretend they just don't want some unbeliever touching their holy book.
It actually wouldn't be tough to do. There are some really, really old copies of the Koran out there which could be compared with newer ones. But of course, the people who own these copies will not allow it.
I think they know deep down that its changed, but pretend they just don't want some unbeliever touching their holy book.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:21 PM (39g3+)
426
402 yes, about that evidence
can NBC and MSNBC be prosecuted for tampering with a crime scene
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Yes. In a country of laws. We are no longer in Kansas though, so keep that nasty dog away from the Special Kids. They might go all jihad.
can NBC and MSNBC be prosecuted for tampering with a crime scene
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Yes. In a country of laws. We are no longer in Kansas though, so keep that nasty dog away from the Special Kids. They might go all jihad.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 07, 2015 04:21 PM (oDCMR)
427
What was negated were the ceremonial laws, since ritual purification was no longer needed: Jesus provided perfect righteousness and paid for sin.
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He's right - that's not true. Ritual purification was a blood thing, from the sacrifice. The language the NT uses reflects that in "the blood of the lamb" and etc and refers to purification and not sin. These were jews talking amongst themselves in temple times, you're getting it third hand.
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He's right - that's not true. Ritual purification was a blood thing, from the sacrifice. The language the NT uses reflects that in "the blood of the lamb" and etc and refers to purification and not sin. These were jews talking amongst themselves in temple times, you're getting it third hand.
Posted by: Bigby's Left Hook at December 07, 2015 04:21 PM (3ZtZW)
428
Does Congress have the power to declare organizations terror fronts? And if they do, could they start to use it in regards to CAIR?
Posted by: Iblis at December 07, 2015 04:22 PM (9221z)
429
There was never a time whatsoever, even they day after Pearl Harbor, in which the American people or government or military had the goal or desire to absolutely obliterate all of Japan, its culture, and its people.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:16 PM (39g3+)
"Before we're through with them, the Japanese language will be spoken only in hell."
-- Adm. Bill Halsey, surveying the wreckage of Pearl Harbor on Dec. 8, 1941
Luckily for the Japanese (and us ultimately) we lacked the means to annihilate the Japanese until very late in the war and by then most people were tired of the killing and just wanted to defeat the Japanese and get back to their lives.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:16 PM (39g3+)
"Before we're through with them, the Japanese language will be spoken only in hell."
-- Adm. Bill Halsey, surveying the wreckage of Pearl Harbor on Dec. 8, 1941
Luckily for the Japanese (and us ultimately) we lacked the means to annihilate the Japanese until very late in the war and by then most people were tired of the killing and just wanted to defeat the Japanese and get back to their lives.
Posted by: Maetenloch at December 07, 2015 04:22 PM (pAlYe)
430
So the douchebag mom had no problems sending her kid on a suicide mission and making her grandkid an orphan... who's going to support her now?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 07, 2015 04:22 PM (iQIUe)
431
There was never a time whatsoever, even they day after Pearl Harbor, in which the American people or government or military had the goal or desire to absolutely obliterate all of Japan, its culture, and its people.
Except perhaps that very evening:
"When we're done, the only place that the Japanese language will be spoken will be in Hell"
Admiral Bill Halsey, aboard USS Enterprise, as she entered Pearl harbor, evening of Dec. 7 1941.
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sort of apt, sort of not.
There were no bushido temples in USA that were funded by japanese govt.
Western minds could not comprehend take no prisoners mindset of avg japaense soldier,eh? Because their values were not ours. A jap soldier who gave comfort, humanity to enemy would've been to our eyes, a good person...a good jap.
But he would've been, in reality, a bad jap. Get it? He'd be betraying his values in acting like us.
Except perhaps that very evening:
"When we're done, the only place that the Japanese language will be spoken will be in Hell"
Admiral Bill Halsey, aboard USS Enterprise, as she entered Pearl harbor, evening of Dec. 7 1941.
*********8
sort of apt, sort of not.
There were no bushido temples in USA that were funded by japanese govt.
Western minds could not comprehend take no prisoners mindset of avg japaense soldier,eh? Because their values were not ours. A jap soldier who gave comfort, humanity to enemy would've been to our eyes, a good person...a good jap.
But he would've been, in reality, a bad jap. Get it? He'd be betraying his values in acting like us.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:22 PM (P+ME4)
432
Well passports were not left behind--it was passport like photos like the kind you get at the post office and/or Walgreen's.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 07, 2015 04:22 PM (mcm0N)
433
IOW, we Americans do NOT need to hear or understand the grievances, real or imagined, of the Muslim scum
Nor do we have any obligation to any of the grievance mongering scum who make up the Democrat party, yet we've been doing it for a century.
You want to know why muslims think they can attack us on the one hand while demanding sympathy on the other?
We taught them that.
Nor do we have any obligation to any of the grievance mongering scum who make up the Democrat party, yet we've been doing it for a century.
You want to know why muslims think they can attack us on the one hand while demanding sympathy on the other?
We taught them that.
Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 04:22 PM (ZbV+0)
434
I've often said that a "good Muslim" who doesn't believe in things like Sharia, the subservience of women and the killing of infidels is simply an apostate who is unfamiliar with the tenets of his (or her) faith.
The thing is, almost no Muslims know what the Koran teaches. They know what it says but they are taught to simply obey and revere it, never ever to analyze, question, or think about it. They aren't aware what the teachings are, just what the words are. They memorize without thinking about it.
The thing is, almost no Muslims know what the Koran teaches. They know what it says but they are taught to simply obey and revere it, never ever to analyze, question, or think about it. They aren't aware what the teachings are, just what the words are. They memorize without thinking about it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:23 PM (39g3+)
435
There was never a time whatsoever, even they day after Pearl Harbor, in which the American people or government or military had the goal or desire to absolutely obliterate all of Japan, its culture, and its people.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Inaccurate. Just pulling one item out of that list, there was prolonged discussion during the US occupation of Japan of just how much of Japanese culture to and society to preserve and permit. There was an active "de-Shintonization" program and proposals to de-industrialize the country back to a "not gonna bother nobody" agrarian society..
There was never a time whatsoever, even they day after Pearl Harbor, in which the American people or government or military had the goal or desire to absolutely obliterate all of Japan, its culture, and its people.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Inaccurate. Just pulling one item out of that list, there was prolonged discussion during the US occupation of Japan of just how much of Japanese culture to and society to preserve and permit. There was an active "de-Shintonization" program and proposals to de-industrialize the country back to a "not gonna bother nobody" agrarian society..
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 07, 2015 04:23 PM (kdS6q)
436
We taught them that.
Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 04:22 PM (ZbV+0)
I thought Teh Gheys perfected that technique when the GRID outbreak started.
Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 04:22 PM (ZbV+0)
I thought Teh Gheys perfected that technique when the GRID outbreak started.
Posted by: Iblis at December 07, 2015 04:23 PM (9221z)
437
also, the point is we're importing them by the millions throughout western civ and we're getting nothing in return. There's no great mingling. It's all one direction. So fuck it. We don't need them. We're the first world, we're full. They can stay over there.
grievances? yeah, what? Something something andalucia, isreal, um...the Shah?
Fuck you sideways with a pig snout.
grievances? yeah, what? Something something andalucia, isreal, um...the Shah?
Fuck you sideways with a pig snout.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:24 PM (P+ME4)
438
If ... as a white hetero normative Christian male.... I have to "answer" for slavery, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the death of the North American bison...
The bison is back. Some have even evolved the ability to fly.
The bison is back. Some have even evolved the ability to fly.
Posted by: despair at December 07, 2015 04:24 PM (VrdxH)
439
"Before we're through with them, the Japanese language will be spoken only in hell."
Neither you or I know his heart, but I suspect if you asked Halsey about that he'd have admitted he was just really angry and did not seriously want to murder every single man, woman, and child of Japanese origin on the planet.
Neither you or I know his heart, but I suspect if you asked Halsey about that he'd have admitted he was just really angry and did not seriously want to murder every single man, woman, and child of Japanese origin on the planet.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:24 PM (39g3+)
440
There was never a time whatsoever, even they day after Pearl Harbor, in which the American people or government or military had the goal or desire to absolutely obliterate all of Japan, its culture, and its people.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:16 PM (39g3+)
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Yes, they did. They wanted to wipe Japan off the map. That's why we won the war so emphatically.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:16 PM (39g3+)
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Yes, they did. They wanted to wipe Japan off the map. That's why we won the war so emphatically.
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 04:24 PM (Fmupd)
441
There was never a time whatsoever, even they day after Pearl Harbor, in which the American people or government or military had the goal or desire to absolutely obliterate all of Japan, its culture, and its people.
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yeah? so what. either way, so what?
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yeah? so what. either way, so what?
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:25 PM (P+ME4)
442
Neither you or I know his heart, but I suspect if you asked Halsey about that he'd have admitted he was just really angry and did not seriously want to murder every single man, woman, and child of Japanese origin on the planet.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Do you think he would have hesitated to drop nukes 3 - 20 on them?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Do you think he would have hesitated to drop nukes 3 - 20 on them?
Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2015 04:25 PM (fBkaR)
443
There was never a time whatsoever, even they day after Pearl Harbor, in which the American people or government or military had the goal or desire to absolutely obliterate all of Japan, its culture, and its people.
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yeah? so what. either way, so what?
*******
our grandparents were made of sterner stuff. So were the japanese and germans. The Italians? Well, I;m sure they dressed well.
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yeah? so what. either way, so what?
*******
our grandparents were made of sterner stuff. So were the japanese and germans. The Italians? Well, I;m sure they dressed well.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:26 PM (P+ME4)
444
Ralph Peters and Stacey Dash suspended from Fox for saying O was a 'pussy' and 'doesnt give a sh*t' (respectively)
Posted by: McCool at December 07, 2015 04:26 PM (nCSwS)
445
Does anyone doubt for a minute that if there was a worldwide Christian denomination called Right-Wingers for Christ, or whatever, and they had members who gunned down non-believers around the world on a fairly regular basis, that the feds would not be scrutinizing them?
But no, we can't start scrutinizing mosques because that's just what ISIS wants!
But no, we can't start scrutinizing mosques because that's just what ISIS wants!
Posted by: Marmo at December 07, 2015 04:26 PM (D7iLj)
446
There was never a time whatsoever, even they day after Pearl Harbor, in
which the American people or government or military had the goal or
desire to absolutely obliterate all of Japan, its culture, and its
people.
If you mean 'exterminate to the last child and domesticated animal,' then maybe not. But 'total war' isn't checkers. Ending their empire wasn't about finding mutual understanding and harmony.
which the American people or government or military had the goal or
desire to absolutely obliterate all of Japan, its culture, and its
people.
If you mean 'exterminate to the last child and domesticated animal,' then maybe not. But 'total war' isn't checkers. Ending their empire wasn't about finding mutual understanding and harmony.
Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 04:26 PM (ZbV+0)
447
>>> So the douchebag mom had no problems sending her kid on a suicide mission and making her grandkid an orphan... who's going to support her now?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 07, 2015 04:22 PM (iQIUe)
Douchebag's sister wants to adopt her.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 07, 2015 04:22 PM (iQIUe)
Douchebag's sister wants to adopt her.
Posted by: LizLem at December 07, 2015 04:26 PM (hvf9s)
448
If ... as a white hetero normative Christian male.... I have to "answer" for slavery, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the death of the North American bison...
The bison is back. Some have even evolved the ability to fly.
Wild, man!
The bison is back. Some have even evolved the ability to fly.
Wild, man!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2015 04:27 PM (MZVOx)
449
Neither you or I know his heart, but I suspect if you asked Halsey about that he'd have admitted he was just really angry and did not seriously want to murder every single man, woman, and child of Japanese origin on the planet.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Do you think he would have hesitated to drop nukes 3 - 20 on them?
Posted by: Jean
*******
but your point is that this made Halsey a "bad Christian" right? Because he was vengeful?
Again, their bad is not our bad.
What did the Japanese want in WWII? What was their goal for the treatment of those who surrenedered? Ask Nanking.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
Do you think he would have hesitated to drop nukes 3 - 20 on them?
Posted by: Jean
*******
but your point is that this made Halsey a "bad Christian" right? Because he was vengeful?
Again, their bad is not our bad.
What did the Japanese want in WWII? What was their goal for the treatment of those who surrenedered? Ask Nanking.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:27 PM (P+ME4)
450
Ralph Peters and Stacey Dash suspended from Fox for saying O was a 'pussy' and 'doesnt give a sh*t' (respectively)
Posted by: McCool
Fox News: We Report, You Decide - Allah Willing.
Ralph Peters and Stacey Dash suspended from Fox for saying O was a 'pussy' and 'doesnt give a sh*t' (respectively)
Posted by: McCool
Fox News: We Report, You Decide - Allah Willing.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 07, 2015 04:27 PM (kdS6q)
451
But 'total war' isn't checkers. Ending their empire wasn't about finding mutual understanding and harmony.
I agree, but in the context of what I was responding to, there's a lot of room between diplomacy and genocide.
I agree, but in the context of what I was responding to, there's a lot of room between diplomacy and genocide.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:27 PM (39g3+)
452
There was never a time whatsoever, even they day after Pearl Harbor, in which the American people or government or military had the goal or desire to absolutely obliterate all of Japan, its culture, and its people.
Ask the Comanche, if you can find one. Or a Cherokee.
Ask the Comanche, if you can find one. Or a Cherokee.
Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2015 04:27 PM (fBkaR)
453
Neither you or I know his heart, but I suspect if you asked Halsey about that he'd have admitted he was just really angry and did not seriously want to murder every single man, woman, and child of Japanese origin on the planet.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:24 PM
He probably knew tha it was impossible to kill all of them, so he settled for "enough of them".
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:24 PM
He probably knew tha it was impossible to kill all of them, so he settled for "enough of them".
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 04:28 PM (Fmupd)
454
Ask the Comanche, if you can find one. Or a Cherokee.
They're out there. Not many, but I'm not sure what that has to do with Japan, Pearl Harbor, or today.
They're out there. Not many, but I'm not sure what that has to do with Japan, Pearl Harbor, or today.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:28 PM (39g3+)
455
If ... as a white hetero normative Christian male.... I have to "answer" for slavery, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the death of the North American bison...
1. I'm not answering for shit that I didn't do.
2. I wouldn't answer for the Crusades regardless. Since they were in response to muzzie aggression.
1. I'm not answering for shit that I didn't do.
2. I wouldn't answer for the Crusades regardless. Since they were in response to muzzie aggression.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2015 04:28 PM (MZVOx)
456
But 'total war' isn't checkers. Ending their empire wasn't about finding mutual understanding and harmony.
I agree, but in the context of what I was responding to, there's a lot of room between diplomacy and genocide.
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even more room than ignoring pearl harbor and opening up US immigration to a million Japs a year plus forcing US schools to teach kids about Bushido and saying US founded on japanese ideals, suing ppl who "backlashed" against japanese people. etc.
I agree, but in the context of what I was responding to, there's a lot of room between diplomacy and genocide.
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even more room than ignoring pearl harbor and opening up US immigration to a million Japs a year plus forcing US schools to teach kids about Bushido and saying US founded on japanese ideals, suing ppl who "backlashed" against japanese people. etc.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:29 PM (P+ME4)
457
The entire purpose of all the cleanliness and ceremonial laws was to teach purity and the need for absolute holiness.
They have that purpose. I disagree that God gives laws and then cancels them. Put another way, I think fulfillment is a different thing than negation.
Those laws are not applied to the Christian, but they are not negated. Those who attempt to follow them without Christ are under a curse; because they cannot fulfill them.
They have that purpose. I disagree that God gives laws and then cancels them. Put another way, I think fulfillment is a different thing than negation.
Those laws are not applied to the Christian, but they are not negated. Those who attempt to follow them without Christ are under a curse; because they cannot fulfill them.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 07, 2015 04:29 PM (0NdlF)
458
What did the Japanese want in WWII? What was their goal for the treatment of those who surrenedered? Ask Nanking.
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See also: Wake Island
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See also: Wake Island
Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2015 04:29 PM (8XRCm)
459
Jesus gave us bacon.
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 04:01 PM (Fmupd)
... cause he loves us very much.
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 04:01 PM (Fmupd)
... cause he loves us very much.
Posted by: redbanzai at December 07, 2015 04:30 PM (aoyma)
460
it seems there is a Koran in manuscript at the Topkapi museum in Istanbul that dates to 1100-something, but they won't let anyone see or study it
there's one in Tashkent of around the same age
the Brits say they have the earliest manuscript, dating to around 790
there is nothing pre-750; all written well after Moe's death
there's one in Tashkent of around the same age
the Brits say they have the earliest manuscript, dating to around 790
there is nothing pre-750; all written well after Moe's death
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 04:30 PM (IUhaV)
461
But no, we can't start scrutinizing mosques because that's just what ISIS wants!
Posted by: Marmo
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As Robert M Price has observed, there are over a billion Muslims, and Muslims have estimated that 10% are "radical" as in willing to engage in terrorist activities.
That amounts to about 100,000,000 terrorists. That's not good.
If the left plays the compassion card, we need to respond, OK, ME Christians are far more in need of asylum than Muzz. Let's only let them immigrate, if our policy is to be determined by humanitarian concerns.
Posted by: Marmo
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As Robert M Price has observed, there are over a billion Muslims, and Muslims have estimated that 10% are "radical" as in willing to engage in terrorist activities.
That amounts to about 100,000,000 terrorists. That's not good.
If the left plays the compassion card, we need to respond, OK, ME Christians are far more in need of asylum than Muzz. Let's only let them immigrate, if our policy is to be determined by humanitarian concerns.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 07, 2015 04:31 PM (E5UB0)
462
We definitely should halt immigration from nations that are packed with radical Muslims. That's just common sense, I mean its the reverse stupid version of internment. Its the same kind of wrong, but in the opposite direction: "lets import more enemies, to show how multicultural and kind we are!"
Its kind of common sense. And, judging from election after election in the last three years or so around the world, pretty much everyone on the planet has gotten tired of this "load up the nation with radicals who want to overthrow us" approach.
Its kind of common sense. And, judging from election after election in the last three years or so around the world, pretty much everyone on the planet has gotten tired of this "load up the nation with radicals who want to overthrow us" approach.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:31 PM (39g3+)
463
There was never a time whatsoever, even they day after Pearl Harbor, in which the American people or government or military had the goal or desire to absolutely obliterate all of Japan, its culture, and its people.
Total war is a strategy of annihilation.
That we didn't have to follow it through to the complete end is not the same thing as not planning to.
Total war is a strategy of annihilation.
That we didn't have to follow it through to the complete end is not the same thing as not planning to.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 07, 2015 04:31 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Leonardo dicaprio at December 07, 2015 04:31 PM (d4WAA)
465
If ... as a white hetero normative Christian male.... I have to "answer" for slavery, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the death of the North American bison...
1. I'm not answering for shit that I didn't do.
2. I wouldn't answer for the Crusades regardless. Since they were in response to muzzie aggression.
***
you know what, that's wrong too. It's part of our history, we bought into it when our great grand parents moved here. If not to be celebrated, at least acknowledeged. There were mistakes, we moved on. Whitewashing the past is for commies.
Also, again, what about them? We project our values on to other people and assume they are ashamed of their past too. So what if slavery is a big part of Islam. We assume not bc that's rude.
1. I'm not answering for shit that I didn't do.
2. I wouldn't answer for the Crusades regardless. Since they were in response to muzzie aggression.
***
you know what, that's wrong too. It's part of our history, we bought into it when our great grand parents moved here. If not to be celebrated, at least acknowledeged. There were mistakes, we moved on. Whitewashing the past is for commies.
Also, again, what about them? We project our values on to other people and assume they are ashamed of their past too. So what if slavery is a big part of Islam. We assume not bc that's rude.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:31 PM (P+ME4)
466
459 Jesus gave us bacon.
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 04:01 PM (Fmupd)
... cause he loves us very much.
And beer.
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 04:01 PM (Fmupd)
... cause he loves us very much.
And beer.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2015 04:31 PM (MZVOx)
467
Here's the problem I have with being lectured about Muslim grievances/putting the attacks "in context: When are we going to have a conversation about our grievances about Christians being slaughtered (and honest to goodness genocide) throughout the ME and parts of Africa and Asia? I'm sorry if CAIR dude is ticked about American foreign policy in Egypt, but I am ticked about the MB murdering Copting Christians in Egypt on Christmas eve, about Boko Haram murdering Christian school children in their sleep, about ISIS beheading and crucifying Christians in Syria.
In *my* context, I see the CA attacks as that genocide/violently compelled submission as a definitive sign that this evil coming to my country, and I will not be shamed out of seeing it as such.
In *my* context, I see the CA attacks as that genocide/violently compelled submission as a definitive sign that this evil coming to my country, and I will not be shamed out of seeing it as such.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2015 04:32 PM (NOIQH)
468
suspended?
so bleeping stuff out isn't enough anymore
we have to put the boot on the neck?
shame on Fox
so bleeping stuff out isn't enough anymore
we have to put the boot on the neck?
shame on Fox
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 04:32 PM (IUhaV)
469
I would not last long on TV
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 04:32 PM (gf8BH)
470
I do wish a fatwa on my fat arse before Christmas. Soon I will have the caboose of mooch, and that will be a sad day. Perhaps a day I do start ripping of hijabs to see what hairdo lies under them and/or if they are caitlyns.
Time will tell, should I survive into 2016, just what kind of bad mood I can manage (have been in a bad mood since the elections of 2009 and 2012, just saying).
Oh, and darlings, big ole fatwas are what Obarfy fears as well (insert image here of him "working out" with his 2 lb weights). I doubt any country fears him, unlike President Reagan who just had to get elected to free prisoners in Iran.
Time will tell, should I survive into 2016, just what kind of bad mood I can manage (have been in a bad mood since the elections of 2009 and 2012, just saying).
Oh, and darlings, big ole fatwas are what Obarfy fears as well (insert image here of him "working out" with his 2 lb weights). I doubt any country fears him, unlike President Reagan who just had to get elected to free prisoners in Iran.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 04:32 PM (7lqMl)
471
They have that purpose. I disagree that God gives laws and then cancels them.
Correct, God never changes His mind. He fulfils laws, not ignores them. The laws were always intended to be a foreshadowing and looking forward to Jesus Christ. Once the real thing was here, they were no longer even applicable. Jesus is everything now, and in fact always was (that's who the sacrifices were looking forward to - the blood of bulls and lambs saved no one).
Correct, God never changes His mind. He fulfils laws, not ignores them. The laws were always intended to be a foreshadowing and looking forward to Jesus Christ. Once the real thing was here, they were no longer even applicable. Jesus is everything now, and in fact always was (that's who the sacrifices were looking forward to - the blood of bulls and lambs saved no one).
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:33 PM (39g3+)
472
Here's the problem I have with being lectured about Muslim grievances/putting the attacks "in context: When are we going to have a conversation about our grievances about Christians being slaughtered (and honest to goodness genocide) throughout the ME and parts of Africa and Asia? I'm sorry if CAIR dude is ticked about American foreign policy in Egypt, but I am ticked about the MB murdering Copting Christians in Egypt on Christmas eve, about Boko Haram murdering Christian school children in their sleep, about ISIS beheading and crucifying Christians in Syria.
***
lib pathology blind spot exploitation:
We (white straight western males) have unforgivable original sin and must be shamed.
Them (glorious non-we) are, we assume, without sin and need to be emulated. Any wrongs they've been observed doing that can't be disproven is obviously stuff they've been forced into doing.
***
lib pathology blind spot exploitation:
We (white straight western males) have unforgivable original sin and must be shamed.
Them (glorious non-we) are, we assume, without sin and need to be emulated. Any wrongs they've been observed doing that can't be disproven is obviously stuff they've been forced into doing.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:33 PM (P+ME4)
473
1. I'm not answering for shit that I didn't do.
2. I wouldn't answer for the Crusades regardless. Since they were in response to muzzie aggression.
***
you know what, that's wrong too. It's part of our history, we bought into it when our great grand parents moved here. If not to be celebrated, at least acknowledeged.
Acknowledged, yes.
Being held responsible? Fuck no.
And that is what "answering for" means.
Being held responsible.
2. I wouldn't answer for the Crusades regardless. Since they were in response to muzzie aggression.
***
you know what, that's wrong too. It's part of our history, we bought into it when our great grand parents moved here. If not to be celebrated, at least acknowledeged.
Acknowledged, yes.
Being held responsible? Fuck no.
And that is what "answering for" means.
Being held responsible.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2015 04:34 PM (MZVOx)
474
How could a woman have been involved in the SB terrorist attacks. Women are docile and passive and only interested in clothing and shoes. Everybody knows this. I would never do this. I only want to try on sexy pink outfits. There is some kind of error going on here.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at December 07, 2015 04:34 PM (E5UB0)
475
"ignoring pearl harbor and opening up US immigration to a million Japs a year plus forcing US schools to teach kids about Bushido and saying US founded on japanese ideals, suing ppl who "backlashed" against japanese people. etc."
having a hard time finding fault with this analogy
having a hard time finding fault with this analogy
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 04:35 PM (IUhaV)
476
Ralph Peters and Stacey Dash suspended from Fox for saying O was a 'pussy' and 'doesnt give a sh*t' (respectively)
Fox News...fair, balanced, and unafraid
Unless it means Barack the Magnificent might have his feelings hurt
Fox News...fair, balanced, and unafraid
Unless it means Barack the Magnificent might have his feelings hurt
Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 04:35 PM (ZbV+0)
477
I've lost touch with her, but I used to be friends with a Somalian woman who was raised Muslim but really really hated Islam. She told me what a cruel religion it was (she underwent female circumcision at age 12. No anesthesia. She became infected. Later she found out she was sterile.) She also told me she went out of her way to eat pork every chance she got - as a spit in the eye to Islam.
But she felt the same way about all religions - because Islam was bad, they all had to be bad. Well, better an atheist than a devout Muzzie supporter of terrorism.
But it occurred to me one day that of the handful of Muslims I've known every single one of them was completely secularized and Westernized - they drank, they ate pork, they didn't go to mosque.
So they are really not at all representative of the Muslim community as a whole. It's like using Bill Maher as an example of a "Christian friend."
But she felt the same way about all religions - because Islam was bad, they all had to be bad. Well, better an atheist than a devout Muzzie supporter of terrorism.
But it occurred to me one day that of the handful of Muslims I've known every single one of them was completely secularized and Westernized - they drank, they ate pork, they didn't go to mosque.
So they are really not at all representative of the Muslim community as a whole. It's like using Bill Maher as an example of a "Christian friend."
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 07, 2015 04:35 PM (u0lmX)
478
I'm thinking Stacey Gash may be the pussy.
Posted by: did I say that out loud? at December 07, 2015 04:35 PM (HgMAr)
479
@450..well, this sux. I love Ralph Peters. And obammy is a puthy, said like Mike Tyson (apologies to Mike if he does not have a lisp).
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 04:35 PM (7lqMl)
480
I would very much like to see these Muslim loving "progressives" each take a family into their own home, support them with their own income, provide for their every need and want, have to veil their women and segregate them, etc., etc.
They seem to have no problem with the rest of us having to do this, against our will.
Until that happens, this is just so much blown smoke. "Progressives" don't want to have to deal with the fallout from their high and mighty bullshit about "diversity," they want other people to do that.
You would think that now that these Muzzies are slaughtering progressives right and left, they might have some regret, but, hey, it's not like the terrorists are ever gonna approach the powers that be, just us little folks.
And yes, I cross the street when I see one on the sidewalk. Probably does nothing to avoid the blast radius, but I do what I can.
/racist, I'm sure.
They seem to have no problem with the rest of us having to do this, against our will.
Until that happens, this is just so much blown smoke. "Progressives" don't want to have to deal with the fallout from their high and mighty bullshit about "diversity," they want other people to do that.
You would think that now that these Muzzies are slaughtering progressives right and left, they might have some regret, but, hey, it's not like the terrorists are ever gonna approach the powers that be, just us little folks.
And yes, I cross the street when I see one on the sidewalk. Probably does nothing to avoid the blast radius, but I do what I can.
/racist, I'm sure.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 07, 2015 04:35 PM (+YMhA)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 07, 2015 04:36 PM (HMt16)
482
ignoring pearl harbor and opening up US immigration to a million Japs a year plus forcing US schools to teach kids about Bushido and saying US founded on japanese ideals, suing ppl who "backlashed" against japanese people. etc."
having a hard time finding fault with this analogy
***
thanks, also realizing that maybe kinda sorta one political party was getting major donations from Emperor H while also changing political doctrine to service incoming japs.
having a hard time finding fault with this analogy
***
thanks, also realizing that maybe kinda sorta one political party was getting major donations from Emperor H while also changing political doctrine to service incoming japs.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:36 PM (P+ME4)
483
Tom Holland - Quran didn't come from Allah - Islamic Truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwo5xpO390k
Holland is an established historian.
Tom Holland - Quran didn't come from Allah - Islamic Truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwo5xpO390k
Holland is an established historian.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 07, 2015 04:37 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 07, 2015 04:37 PM (HMt16)
Posted by: Marmo at December 07, 2015 04:37 PM (D7iLj)
486
406 "You never ever know a man's true heart until he reveals it to you."
Live with a man 40 years. Share his house, his meals. Speak on every
subject. Then tie him up, and hold him over the volcano's edge. And on
that day, you will finally meet the man.
Live with a man 40 years. Share his house, his meals. Speak on every
subject. Then tie him up, and hold him over the volcano's edge. And on
that day, you will finally meet the man.
Posted by: Qoheleth at December 07, 2015 04:37 PM (iIzG7)
487
So the FBI says the killers were "radicalized." By what? Global warming? I mean really... This was just their true selves evidently... At least if You listen to the Father...
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 04:37 PM (/dSsq)
488
And beer.
====
Egyptians gave us beer. They mined it under where the pyramids are. The sphinx was like a neon bar sign before the French shot its nose off.
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Egyptians gave us beer. They mined it under where the pyramids are. The sphinx was like a neon bar sign before the French shot its nose off.
Posted by: Bigby's Left Hook at December 07, 2015 04:38 PM (3ZtZW)
489
Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 04:35 PM (ZbV+0)
Or maybe they're just trying to enforce standards regarding vulgar language.
Somehow, radio broadcasters in WWII got their point across without calling Hitler an asshole on the air.
Or maybe they're just trying to enforce standards regarding vulgar language.
Somehow, radio broadcasters in WWII got their point across without calling Hitler an asshole on the air.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 07, 2015 04:38 PM (u0lmX)
490
it seems there is a Koran in manuscript at the Topkapi museum in
Istanbul that dates to 1100-something, but they won't let anyone see or
study it
Maybe the Russians will tell us once they have it.
Istanbul that dates to 1100-something, but they won't let anyone see or
study it
Maybe the Russians will tell us once they have it.
Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 04:38 PM (ZbV+0)
491
Clearly, a thread posted by a misogynist.
H8tr!
H8tr!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2015 04:38 PM (9mTYi)
492
481 Heh. Col Ralph Peters called Obama a pussy on live TV.
FOX suspended him for two weeks.
Seems to Me Fox is the pussy...
FOX suspended him for two weeks.
Seems to Me Fox is the pussy...
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 04:38 PM (/dSsq)
493
So they are really not at all representative of the Muslim community as a whole. It's like using Bill Maher as an example of a "Christian friend."
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 07, 2015 04:35 PM (u0lmX)
Consider the many members of the Saudi royal family, who jet set across Europe and the US, raping, drinking and debauching as if they were Charlie Sheen.
And then go home and cut the hands off thieves and behead sorcerers.
It is not a religion, it is a political structure based on worshiping Satan. With the father of lies in charge, who cares if they cheat, steal and murder? No sweat. Just following in the footsteps of the Master.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 07, 2015 04:35 PM (u0lmX)
Consider the many members of the Saudi royal family, who jet set across Europe and the US, raping, drinking and debauching as if they were Charlie Sheen.
And then go home and cut the hands off thieves and behead sorcerers.
It is not a religion, it is a political structure based on worshiping Satan. With the father of lies in charge, who cares if they cheat, steal and murder? No sweat. Just following in the footsteps of the Master.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 07, 2015 04:38 PM (+YMhA)
Posted by: Bigby's Left Hook at December 07, 2015 04:39 PM (3ZtZW)
495
Here's a headline over at Breitbart that says all you need to know about so called moderate or non violent Muslims.
Fmr. FBI Counterterrorism AGent: We've Received 'Nearly Zero Help' from U.S. Muslim Community Since 9/11"
Fmr. FBI Counterterrorism AGent: We've Received 'Nearly Zero Help' from U.S. Muslim Community Since 9/11"
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 04:39 PM (Xo1Rt)
496
The basic core of Islam, its central tenents, is compatible with western liberty:
1) Donate to poor fellow Muslims
2) Pray 3 times a day
3) make a pilgrimage to Mecca once in your life
4) Fast on Ramadan, do not eat pork, do not drink liquor
5) Say and believe "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet"
That's it. If you keep those, you're a good Muslim and you get to spend less time in hell after you die. That's the core of the religion, and if you keep those, you're a Muslim in good standing, PERIOD. All that other stuff is added in as the cultural and step-by-step way of living but is extra to the basic faith.
In other words, a Muslim can live pretty comfortably around other people, keeping to the five pillars of faith, without any of that other idiotic nonsense about multiple wives, treating them like trash, hacking bits off girls, cutting the throats of enemies, etc. None of the rest is necessary to the faith. Which is why millions of Muslims can live quietly among others and not cause any problems.
1) Donate to poor fellow Muslims
2) Pray 3 times a day
3) make a pilgrimage to Mecca once in your life
4) Fast on Ramadan, do not eat pork, do not drink liquor
5) Say and believe "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet"
That's it. If you keep those, you're a good Muslim and you get to spend less time in hell after you die. That's the core of the religion, and if you keep those, you're a Muslim in good standing, PERIOD. All that other stuff is added in as the cultural and step-by-step way of living but is extra to the basic faith.
In other words, a Muslim can live pretty comfortably around other people, keeping to the five pillars of faith, without any of that other idiotic nonsense about multiple wives, treating them like trash, hacking bits off girls, cutting the throats of enemies, etc. None of the rest is necessary to the faith. Which is why millions of Muslims can live quietly among others and not cause any problems.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:39 PM (39g3+)
497
Trump calls for a "complete shutdown" of Muslims entering the U.S.
I do love when he makes liberal heads explode.
He's got them babbling at MSNBC.
I do love when he makes liberal heads explode.
He's got them babbling at MSNBC.
Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2015 04:40 PM (Zs4uk)
498
Here's a headline over at Breitbart that says all you need to know about so called moderate or non violent Muslims.
Fmr. FBI Counterterrorism AGent: We've Received 'Nearly Zero Help' from U.S. Muslim Community Since 9/11"
********
being good muslims
Fmr. FBI Counterterrorism AGent: We've Received 'Nearly Zero Help' from U.S. Muslim Community Since 9/11"
********
being good muslims
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:40 PM (P+ME4)
499
When I learned about the history of Islam proper, it cleared up a bunch of things I had found confusing that I learned in school: if Islam is a religion of peace, why was the Crusades a war to *recapture* the holy land? That implied it was captured in the first place.
I then realized. Ok, I was lied to, and now it is obvious. But I do not understand liberals who are so stupid, so stupid, that they do not understand that Muslims suffer from the same character flaws, magnified by 100 times that they think Western civilization suffers from. They are so, so desperate to cling on to a narrative. Why? Self hatred? The appeal to the narrative? Hatred of their peers and the desire to be like the "Avatar" movie person? Leader of a tribe of docile, not quite human people who look up to you and are grateful to you for being their liberator. Whatever it is, it is not ethical. I need to corner one of these idiots and find out exactly why they think the way they do.
I then realized. Ok, I was lied to, and now it is obvious. But I do not understand liberals who are so stupid, so stupid, that they do not understand that Muslims suffer from the same character flaws, magnified by 100 times that they think Western civilization suffers from. They are so, so desperate to cling on to a narrative. Why? Self hatred? The appeal to the narrative? Hatred of their peers and the desire to be like the "Avatar" movie person? Leader of a tribe of docile, not quite human people who look up to you and are grateful to you for being their liberator. Whatever it is, it is not ethical. I need to corner one of these idiots and find out exactly why they think the way they do.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 07, 2015 04:40 PM (E5UB0)
500
Except for that flood thing.
Nah, that was planned all along. Sometimes God used baby talk with Old Testament folks in terms they'd understand, like with Moses.
Nah, that was planned all along. Sometimes God used baby talk with Old Testament folks in terms they'd understand, like with Moses.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:40 PM (39g3+)
501
I know I'm speaking for all of us when I express my gratitude to the crack investigative unit at MSNBC for getting to the bottom of the Farook hag's involvement with a radicalized Islamic group. If not for them the FBI, HSA and other law enforcement agencies that scoured the Farook home with a fine tooth comb would have overlooked it.
Posted by: Hank at December 07, 2015 04:40 PM (aIt1F)
502
The basic core of Islam, its central tenents, is compatible with western liberty:
1) Donate to poor fellow Muslims
2) Pray 3 times a day
3) make a pilgrimage to Mecca once in your life
4) Fast on Ramadan, do not eat pork, do not drink liquor
5) Say and believe "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet"
That's it. If you keep those, you're a good Muslim and you get to spend less time in hell after you die. That's the core of the religion, and if you keep those, you're a Muslim in good standing, PERIOD. All that other stuff is added in as the cultural and step-by-step way of living but is extra to the basic faith.
********
yes, that's all. Plus JIHAD
1) Donate to poor fellow Muslims
2) Pray 3 times a day
3) make a pilgrimage to Mecca once in your life
4) Fast on Ramadan, do not eat pork, do not drink liquor
5) Say and believe "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet"
That's it. If you keep those, you're a good Muslim and you get to spend less time in hell after you die. That's the core of the religion, and if you keep those, you're a Muslim in good standing, PERIOD. All that other stuff is added in as the cultural and step-by-step way of living but is extra to the basic faith.
********
yes, that's all. Plus JIHAD
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:40 PM (P+ME4)
503
425
If you can prove, conclusively, the Koran had changed over time it
would be similar to proving Jesus died of old age, no cross no
resurrection.
It actually wouldn't be tough to do. There are some really, really
old copies of the Koran out there which could be compared with newer
ones. But of course, the people who own these copies will not allow it.
I think they know deep down that its changed, but pretend they just don't want some unbeliever touching their holy book.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:21 PM (39g3+)
******************
CT, you're on a roll. I saw a video where a British scholar has come to the conclusion that the Koran was written well after Mohammed, maybe 2 or 3 generations later. If you Wikipedia "History of the Quran," it seems there are quite a few who agree.
The other issue is that it's writen in a form of Arabic no one uses now. It's as if we were all trying to interpret Beowulf for ourselves.
If you can prove, conclusively, the Koran had changed over time it
would be similar to proving Jesus died of old age, no cross no
resurrection.
It actually wouldn't be tough to do. There are some really, really
old copies of the Koran out there which could be compared with newer
ones. But of course, the people who own these copies will not allow it.
I think they know deep down that its changed, but pretend they just don't want some unbeliever touching their holy book.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:21 PM (39g3+)
******************
CT, you're on a roll. I saw a video where a British scholar has come to the conclusion that the Koran was written well after Mohammed, maybe 2 or 3 generations later. If you Wikipedia "History of the Quran," it seems there are quite a few who agree.
The other issue is that it's writen in a form of Arabic no one uses now. It's as if we were all trying to interpret Beowulf for ourselves.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 07, 2015 04:41 PM (5f5bM)
504
>>Consider the many members of the Saudi royal family, who jet set across Europe and the US, raping, drinking and debauching as if they were Charlie Sheen.
Bet they can't suck a dick like me though.
Bet they can't suck a dick like me though.
Posted by: Charlie Sheen at December 07, 2015 04:41 PM (c7vUv)
505
Heh. Col Ralph Peters called Obama a pussy on live TV.
FOX suspended him for two weeks.
----
Crap. And I was hoping that they would sign me on as a commentator. Well, there goes that.
FOX suspended him for two weeks.
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Crap. And I was hoping that they would sign me on as a commentator. Well, there goes that.
Posted by: Vlad at December 07, 2015 04:42 PM (9mTYi)
506
And yes, I cross the street when I see one on the sidewalk. Probably does nothing to avoid the blast radius, but I do what I can.
/racist, I'm sure.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 07, 2015 04:35 PM (+YMhA)
There are muslims in Alaska? What the fuck? Don't cross the street, go talk to them!
"Hey! Are you a Muslim?"
"Yeah, and I'm a good one. I despise Islam."
"Oh yeah? How much?"
"I hate Islam so much I moved to fucking Alaska"
/racist, I'm sure.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 07, 2015 04:35 PM (+YMhA)
There are muslims in Alaska? What the fuck? Don't cross the street, go talk to them!
"Hey! Are you a Muslim?"
"Yeah, and I'm a good one. I despise Islam."
"Oh yeah? How much?"
"I hate Islam so much I moved to fucking Alaska"
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 07, 2015 04:42 PM (FfVIs)
507
Like the Pope said the other day there are extremists in every Religion... Really? Hey Pope I haven't seen too many Amish be-headings...
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 04:42 PM (/dSsq)
508
Nah, that was planned all along. Sometimes God used baby talk with Old Testament folks in terms they'd understand, like with Moses.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:40 PM (39g3+)
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**cough-NOAH-cough***
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:40 PM (39g3+)
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**cough-NOAH-cough***
Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2015 04:42 PM (8XRCm)
509
Consider the many members of the Saudi royal family, who jet set across Europe and the US, raping, drinking and debauching as if they were Charlie Sheen.
Bet they can't suck a dick like me though.
***
that's reserved for jaahna ( look it up, u can be the ghey once you get in)
Bet they can't suck a dick like me though.
***
that's reserved for jaahna ( look it up, u can be the ghey once you get in)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:42 PM (P+ME4)
510
Col Ralph Peters called Obama a pussy on live TV.
FOX suspended him for two weeks.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 07, 2015 04:36 PM (HMt16)
He will have a nice vacation and be more popular than ever
FOX suspended him for two weeks.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 07, 2015 04:36 PM (HMt16)
He will have a nice vacation and be more popular than ever
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 04:42 PM (gf8BH)
511
I need to corner one of these idiots and find out exactly why they think the way they do.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 07, 2015 04:40 PM (E5UB0)
Don't do it!! It will warp your psyche.
Nobody should be subjected to that.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 07, 2015 04:40 PM (E5UB0)
Don't do it!! It will warp your psyche.
Nobody should be subjected to that.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 07, 2015 04:43 PM (+YMhA)
512
Paging Tammy al-Thor, paging Tammy al-Thor. Please pick up the white courtesy phone in the lobby. Paging Tammy al-Thor.
I noticed something you posted a couple nights ago, and wanted to tell you something you would might like to know, but it's something you might want to hear privately.
If you are reading this, speak up. I've set up a dummy email address with my ISP which we'll use to get started. If you're still here and reading, speak up, and I'll give it to you.
I noticed something you posted a couple nights ago, and wanted to tell you something you would might like to know, but it's something you might want to hear privately.
If you are reading this, speak up. I've set up a dummy email address with my ISP which we'll use to get started. If you're still here and reading, speak up, and I'll give it to you.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 07, 2015 04:43 PM (dvuhZ)
513
495 Here's a headline over at Breitbart that says all you need to know about so called moderate or non violent Muslims.
Fmr. FBI Counterterrorism AGent: We've Received 'Nearly Zero Help' from U.S. Muslim Community Since 9/11"
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 04:39 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Thanks. I was going to comment about this when the thread started, but couldn't remember where I saw it.
Fmr. FBI Counterterrorism AGent: We've Received 'Nearly Zero Help' from U.S. Muslim Community Since 9/11"
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2015 04:39 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Thanks. I was going to comment about this when the thread started, but couldn't remember where I saw it.
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 04:43 PM (Fmupd)
514
Ralph Peters and Stacey Dash suspended from Fox for saying O was a 'pussy' and 'doesnt give a sh*t' (respectively)
Every day that I stream exactly what I want to watch, when I want to watch, and only reward those who provide me with the pov I believe is correct, I pat myself on the back.
Fox is so behind on the streaming end they may never catch up. They're horse and buggy while others are leaving them in the dust.
Every day that I stream exactly what I want to watch, when I want to watch, and only reward those who provide me with the pov I believe is correct, I pat myself on the back.
Fox is so behind on the streaming end they may never catch up. They're horse and buggy while others are leaving them in the dust.
Posted by: free range jihadist at December 07, 2015 04:43 PM (7v/r5)
515
Who in this stable of presidential candidates will defend us from this?
Posted by: Golfman at December 07, 2015 04:43 PM (48QDY)
516
507 Like the Pope said the other day there are extremists in every Religion... Really? Hey Pope I haven't seen too many Amish be-headings...
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 04:42 PM (/dSsq)
Good Lord, Francis is an idiot.
Posted by: donna at December 07, 2015 04:42 PM (/dSsq)
Good Lord, Francis is an idiot.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 07, 2015 04:43 PM (u0lmX)
517
no, it's classical arabic, more like chaucer's "middle english" which is legible even if it is a little unfamiliar
not beowulf's "old english" though, which is totally illegible unless you learn old english as a foreign language
not beowulf's "old english" though, which is totally illegible unless you learn old english as a foreign language
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 04:44 PM (IUhaV)
518
483
Tom Holland - Quran didn't come from Allah - Islamic Truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwo5xpO390k
Holland is an established historian.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 07, 2015 04:37 PM (iQIUe)
Bruce, re my post at 503, this was the guy. Thanks.
Tom Holland - Quran didn't come from Allah - Islamic Truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwo5xpO390k
Holland is an established historian.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 07, 2015 04:37 PM (iQIUe)
Bruce, re my post at 503, this was the guy. Thanks.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 07, 2015 04:44 PM (5f5bM)
519
yes, that's all. Plus JIHAD
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:40 PM (P+ME4)
Plus they must emulate the life of the "Perfect Man" Mohammed, who was a brigand, drunkard, and pedophile.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:40 PM (P+ME4)
Plus they must emulate the life of the "Perfect Man" Mohammed, who was a brigand, drunkard, and pedophile.
Posted by: Iblis at December 07, 2015 04:44 PM (9221z)
520
yes, that's all. Plus JIHAD
That's not a central tenet. Jihad at its core simply means "struggle against sin" and while Muslims are supposed to not sin, that's not a make-or-break part of the faith. It just determines how long they stay in hell before getting out.
And of course, the Koran, Hadith, and later teachers all call for at least at some times Jihad to mean a bit more... aggressive struggle against sin, in the form of war against the unbeliever.
But note, for about 400 years, that didn't happen. Its only lately that maniacs and radicals have gotten in charge and are pushing for a holy war more or less constantly.
That's not a central tenet. Jihad at its core simply means "struggle against sin" and while Muslims are supposed to not sin, that's not a make-or-break part of the faith. It just determines how long they stay in hell before getting out.
And of course, the Koran, Hadith, and later teachers all call for at least at some times Jihad to mean a bit more... aggressive struggle against sin, in the form of war against the unbeliever.
But note, for about 400 years, that didn't happen. Its only lately that maniacs and radicals have gotten in charge and are pushing for a holy war more or less constantly.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:44 PM (39g3+)
521
507 "Like the Pope said the other day there are extremists in every
Religion... Really? Hey Pope I haven't seen too many Amish
be-headings..."
But, my brother, they will have to get medieval on your hiney.
Religion... Really? Hey Pope I haven't seen too many Amish
be-headings..."
But, my brother, they will have to get medieval on your hiney.
Posted by: Qoheleth at December 07, 2015 04:44 PM (iIzG7)
522
489 Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 04:35 PM (ZbV+0)
Or maybe they're just trying to enforce standards regarding vulgar language.
Somehow, radio broadcasters in WWII got their point across without calling Hitler an asshole on the air.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 07, 2015 04:38 PM (u0lmX)
Wasn't it Fox that had someone on saying how Fiorina cut Trumps balls off?
489 Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 04:35 PM (ZbV+0)
Or maybe they're just trying to enforce standards regarding vulgar language.
Somehow, radio broadcasters in WWII got their point across without calling Hitler an asshole on the air.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 07, 2015 04:38 PM (u0lmX)
Wasn't it Fox that had someone on saying how Fiorina cut Trumps balls off?
Posted by: Buzzion at December 07, 2015 04:44 PM (z/Ubi)
523
"asking would-be immigrants what they believe, ideologically and religiously, rather than taking the position that it's "unfair" to ask them that."
No just keep them, Muslims, out. Not because they are worse people but because their civilization has a tough time getting along with others (visible everywhere in the world). Its creating a problem that will only lead to loss of civil rights for them and or the rest of us in the future. Why are we creating our own future problems with insane open borders ideology?
No just keep them, Muslims, out. Not because they are worse people but because their civilization has a tough time getting along with others (visible everywhere in the world). Its creating a problem that will only lead to loss of civil rights for them and or the rest of us in the future. Why are we creating our own future problems with insane open borders ideology?
Posted by: Ben H at December 07, 2015 04:46 PM (gJEsZ)
524
Oh my. What show and when did Ralph Peters say that? I wanna watch it (over and over).
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 07, 2015 04:46 PM (dvuhZ)
525
But it occurred to me one day that of the handful of
Muslims I've known every single one of them was completely secularized
and Westernized - they drank, they ate pork, they didn't go to mosque.
So they are really not at all representative of the Muslim community
as a whole. It's like using Bill Maher as an example of a "Christian
friend."
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 07, 2015 04:35 PM (u0lmX)
In West Africa, almost everyone eats pork and drinks beer, and they turn down the radio when prayers are on, although most will put on their nice clothes on Friday and go to mosque. A lot like Sunday Christians.
Muslims I've known every single one of them was completely secularized
and Westernized - they drank, they ate pork, they didn't go to mosque.
So they are really not at all representative of the Muslim community
as a whole. It's like using Bill Maher as an example of a "Christian
friend."
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 07, 2015 04:35 PM (u0lmX)
In West Africa, almost everyone eats pork and drinks beer, and they turn down the radio when prayers are on, although most will put on their nice clothes on Friday and go to mosque. A lot like Sunday Christians.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 07, 2015 04:46 PM (5f5bM)
526
Or maybe they're just trying to enforce standards regarding vulgar language.
A) 7 second delay. If you don't get how that works, you've (FNC, I mean) no business being on tv.
B)They're on cable.
C)The whole point of getting an opinion from a Ralph Peters is to get his honest opinion.
D)FNC has a lot to make up for due to their treatment of obama as somehow respectable for the last 9 years.
A) 7 second delay. If you don't get how that works, you've (FNC, I mean) no business being on tv.
B)They're on cable.
C)The whole point of getting an opinion from a Ralph Peters is to get his honest opinion.
D)FNC has a lot to make up for due to their treatment of obama as somehow respectable for the last 9 years.
Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 04:46 PM (ZbV+0)
527
Like the Pope said the other day there are extremists in every
Religion.
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Look.... I dont like my Saturday afternoon football interrupted by Jehovah Witness's..... but I wouldn't use the term "extremist" either.
Religion.
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Look.... I dont like my Saturday afternoon football interrupted by Jehovah Witness's..... but I wouldn't use the term "extremist" either.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 07, 2015 04:46 PM (8XRCm)
528
There are muslims in Alaska? What the fuck? Don't cross the street, go talk to them!
"Hey! Are you a Muslim?"
"Yeah, and I'm a good one. I despise Islam."
"Oh yeah? How much?"
"I hate Islam so much I moved to fucking Alaska"
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"Hey! Are you a Muslim?"
"Yeah, and I'm a good one. I despise Islam."
"Oh yeah? How much?"
"I hate Islam so much I moved to fucking Alaska"
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Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 04:46 PM (Fmupd)
529
"I hate Islam so much I moved to fucking Alaska"
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 07, 2015 04:42 PM (FfVIs)
There are three muslim kids at my son's public school. The girl wears a headscarf. The boys both say they don't have to obey me because I'm just a woman.
The boys found out different.
So far they are vastly outnumbered.
Whites are a tiny minority at my son's school. Alaska is cool that way. That's one reason why I move back up here to raise my boy. He is Mayan, but everyone just assumes he's Native so he fits right in. I guess he IS Native, just the ones that walked a little farther.
I was on the playground with the proggie principal, and she said to me that she thought it was great that all these kids were so diverse.
I said, "They all look like Alaskans to me."
Dead silence. Oops.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 07, 2015 04:42 PM (FfVIs)
There are three muslim kids at my son's public school. The girl wears a headscarf. The boys both say they don't have to obey me because I'm just a woman.
The boys found out different.
So far they are vastly outnumbered.
Whites are a tiny minority at my son's school. Alaska is cool that way. That's one reason why I move back up here to raise my boy. He is Mayan, but everyone just assumes he's Native so he fits right in. I guess he IS Native, just the ones that walked a little farther.
I was on the playground with the proggie principal, and she said to me that she thought it was great that all these kids were so diverse.
I said, "They all look like Alaskans to me."
Dead silence. Oops.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 07, 2015 04:47 PM (+YMhA)
530
Like the Pope said the other day there are extremists in every Religion... Really? Hey Pope I haven't seen too many Amish be-headings...
You can tell the Amish extremist by his horse cart. It doesn't have the reflective safety triangle on the back.
You can tell the Amish extremist by his horse cart. It doesn't have the reflective safety triangle on the back.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2015 04:47 PM (8ZskC)
531
Jeb's son on Fox now...Jeb and his supporters are just a sad group of losers
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 04:47 PM (gf8BH)
532
Or maybe they're just trying to enforce standards regarding vulgar language.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 07, 2015 04:38 PM (u0lmX)
I mean, doesn't Ace also try to do the same thing with us?
How many times has the ewok told us to watch our fucking language or else?
Or maybe they're just trying to enforce standards regarding vulgar language.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 07, 2015 04:38 PM (u0lmX)
I mean, doesn't Ace also try to do the same thing with us?
How many times has the ewok told us to watch our fucking language or else?
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 07, 2015 04:47 PM (u0lmX)
533
But note, for about 400 years, that didn't happen. Its only lately that maniacs and radicals have gotten in charge and are pushing for a holy war more or less constantly.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:44 PM (39g3+)
Ask Black Jack Pershing about how he handled it in the Phillipines.
Their history doesn't matter. Their present behavior does. We are under attack, and the sick fucks who just declared a caliphate are the most fundamentalist muslims around.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:44 PM (39g3+)
Ask Black Jack Pershing about how he handled it in the Phillipines.
Their history doesn't matter. Their present behavior does. We are under attack, and the sick fucks who just declared a caliphate are the most fundamentalist muslims around.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 07, 2015 04:47 PM (FfVIs)
534
yes, that's all. Plus JIHAD
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:40 PM (P+ME4)
Yeah, the 5 Pillars are the soft sell to suck you in. There are a lot more things you have to do to be a good Muslim.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:40 PM (P+ME4)
Yeah, the 5 Pillars are the soft sell to suck you in. There are a lot more things you have to do to be a good Muslim.
Posted by: WOPR at December 07, 2015 04:47 PM (LTDSy)
535
I saw a video where a British scholar has come to the conclusion that the Koran was written well after Mohammed, maybe 2 or 3 generations later.
Its actually in the Hadith where Muslim teachers came to Muhammad and asked him why different copies of the Koran around at the time said different, sometimes contradictory things. Muhammad, who was just making all this crap up wholesale out of his hind end replied "uh, God changes his mind, how dare you question it??"
The guy was a cultist who managed to get a huge religion built around his crazy crap. I still love how he put a restriction on how many wives everyone else could have, but he could have as many as he wanted. At any age. Even taking wives from his supporters.
Its actually in the Hadith where Muslim teachers came to Muhammad and asked him why different copies of the Koran around at the time said different, sometimes contradictory things. Muhammad, who was just making all this crap up wholesale out of his hind end replied "uh, God changes his mind, how dare you question it??"
The guy was a cultist who managed to get a huge religion built around his crazy crap. I still love how he put a restriction on how many wives everyone else could have, but he could have as many as he wanted. At any age. Even taking wives from his supporters.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:47 PM (39g3+)
536
Plus they must emulate the life of the "Perfect Man" Mohammed, who was a brigand, drunkard, and pedophile.
You say that like they're bad things.
You say that like they're bad things.
Posted by: Hairy Reed at December 07, 2015 04:47 PM (8ZskC)
537
yes, that's all. Plus JIHAD
That's not a central tenet. Jihad at its core simply means "struggle against sin" and while Muslims are supposed to not sin, that's not a make-or-break part of the faith. It just determines how long they stay in hell before getting out.
***
nope.
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse). Allah will allow the disabled into Paradise, but will provide a larger reward to those who are able to kill in his cause.
That's not a central tenet. Jihad at its core simply means "struggle against sin" and while Muslims are supposed to not sin, that's not a make-or-break part of the faith. It just determines how long they stay in hell before getting out.
***
nope.
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse). Allah will allow the disabled into Paradise, but will provide a larger reward to those who are able to kill in his cause.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:48 PM (P+ME4)
538
If you own a Nehru jacket I want you OUT
Posted by: Ben H at December 07, 2015 04:48 PM (gJEsZ)
539
In West Africa, almost everyone eats pork and drinks beer, and they turn down the radio when prayers are on, although most will put on their nice clothes on Friday and go to mosque. A lot like Sunday Christians.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 07, 2015 04:46 PM (5f5bM)
Aaaand that is one good reason why Catholicism is growing in Africa by leaps and bounds. It actually offers hope and forgiveness, unlike the religion of pieces. Go figure.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 07, 2015 04:46 PM (5f5bM)
Aaaand that is one good reason why Catholicism is growing in Africa by leaps and bounds. It actually offers hope and forgiveness, unlike the religion of pieces. Go figure.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 07, 2015 04:48 PM (+YMhA)
540
Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."
Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn't do the killing himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.
Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn't do the killing himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:49 PM (P+ME4)
541
In West Africa, almost everyone eats pork and drinks beer, and they turn down the radio when prayers are on, although most will put on their nice clothes on Friday and go to mosque. A lot like Sunday Christians.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 07, 2015 04:46 PM (5f5bM)
I wasn't just referring to Africans. I also know some very secular Iranians.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 07, 2015 04:46 PM (5f5bM)
I wasn't just referring to Africans. I also know some very secular Iranians.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at December 07, 2015 04:49 PM (u0lmX)
542
Is there any hard historical evidence, other than the Koran and all the associated screed of the cult, that Mohammed actually existed? I think I remember reading something, recently, that there was no such independent evidence that Mo existed other than in the minds of the fanatics.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 07, 2015 04:50 PM (dvuhZ)
543
Trump calls for a "complete shutdown" of Muslims entering the U.S.
I do love when he makes liberal heads explode.
If he promises to name Ralph Peters as his Secretary of Defense, I will stop checking Cruz's poll numbers.
I do love when he makes liberal heads explode.
If he promises to name Ralph Peters as his Secretary of Defense, I will stop checking Cruz's poll numbers.
Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 04:50 PM (ZbV+0)
544
The basic core of Islam, its central tenents, is compatible with western liberty:
1) Donate to poor fellow Muslims
2) Pray 3 times a day
3) make a pilgrimage to Mecca once in your life
4) Fast on Ramadan, do not eat pork, do not drink liquor
5) Say and believe "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet"
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Not the way I was taught it in HS way back when. Jihad was one of the pillars, the fasting stuff was just dietary laws.
1) Donate to poor fellow Muslims
2) Pray 3 times a day
3) make a pilgrimage to Mecca once in your life
4) Fast on Ramadan, do not eat pork, do not drink liquor
5) Say and believe "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet"
====
Not the way I was taught it in HS way back when. Jihad was one of the pillars, the fasting stuff was just dietary laws.
Posted by: Bigby's Left Hook at December 07, 2015 04:50 PM (3ZtZW)
545
Just to be fair, I have occasion to do business with Muslims in and out of the Middle East. Like everyone else, there are those who are more friendly than others, but I must admit I have never had any problems with the honesty of Muslims I deal with.
On the other hand, I've received some of the worst ass fuckings I've ever had from people who spent lots of time telling me what good Christians they were.
On the other hand, I've received some of the worst ass fuckings I've ever had from people who spent lots of time telling me what good Christians they were.
Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2015 04:50 PM (Zs4uk)
546
>>Who in this stable of presidential candidates will defend us from this?
Posted by: Golfman
Just cause I'm full of horse shit doesn't make it a stable.
Posted by: Golfman
Just cause I'm full of horse shit doesn't make it a stable.
Posted by: Jeb! at December 07, 2015 04:50 PM (c7vUv)
547
Oh and where is the equivalent of the Christmas declaration for Islamic followers?
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What good is the word of people for whom lying is a sacrament?
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What good is the word of people for whom lying is a sacrament?
Posted by: despair at December 07, 2015 04:51 PM (VrdxH)
548
I'll be glad when we get past all this build-up and hype, and get down to playing Cowboys and Muslims.
Posted by: Irony at December 07, 2015 04:51 PM (qmMG2)
549
Nood.
Posted by: johnd01 at December 07, 2015 04:51 PM (ukNFU)
550
Ralph Peters is smarter than that.
Was he testing their patience, or testing the limits of speech?
Was he that outraged and this was it? If so, he should just say FU to Fox News, now and forever.
We're all pretty outraged.
Obama is a liar and aiding and abetting the enemy. There is a precise word for that.
The analogy of what Islam is doing to non-Muslims in their lands is not precise, because what Obama and his compatriots want is revolution here, and want militant Islam to supply the violent agitation. That's why they want to import thousands more Syrians that WON'T assimilate. And could care less about Christian Arabs or any other minority that is being persecuted. They are not revolutionary fodder. They might adapt and become patriotic Americans.
It's why they now want (by EO) to prevent anyone on the "no fly" list to be able to buy a firearm. What next, banned from buying private property? Wear an armband that has "NF" on it?
And who makes up this "no fly" list? How do you get on, and how do you get off? It's all extra-Constitutional, which is the beginning of the end.
Was he testing their patience, or testing the limits of speech?
Was he that outraged and this was it? If so, he should just say FU to Fox News, now and forever.
We're all pretty outraged.
Obama is a liar and aiding and abetting the enemy. There is a precise word for that.
The analogy of what Islam is doing to non-Muslims in their lands is not precise, because what Obama and his compatriots want is revolution here, and want militant Islam to supply the violent agitation. That's why they want to import thousands more Syrians that WON'T assimilate. And could care less about Christian Arabs or any other minority that is being persecuted. They are not revolutionary fodder. They might adapt and become patriotic Americans.
It's why they now want (by EO) to prevent anyone on the "no fly" list to be able to buy a firearm. What next, banned from buying private property? Wear an armband that has "NF" on it?
And who makes up this "no fly" list? How do you get on, and how do you get off? It's all extra-Constitutional, which is the beginning of the end.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at December 07, 2015 04:51 PM (RFeQD)
551
You can tell the Amish extremist by his horse cart. It doesn't have the reflective safety triangle on the back.
Yeah exactly. The pope isn't wrong about that, its just that extremists in various religions express themselves differently. A radical Buddist stops eating and meditates himself into a coma because he thinks the physical realm is a delusion. A radical Presbyterian refuses to have stained glass and musical instruments in his church because its too Roman Catholic. A radical Muslim burns your home and cuts your freaking head off.
Yeah exactly. The pope isn't wrong about that, its just that extremists in various religions express themselves differently. A radical Buddist stops eating and meditates himself into a coma because he thinks the physical realm is a delusion. A radical Presbyterian refuses to have stained glass and musical instruments in his church because its too Roman Catholic. A radical Muslim burns your home and cuts your freaking head off.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:51 PM (39g3+)
552
The first Muslims came to Alaska over the ice bridge Sarah Palin could have seen from her house to seek religious freedom and kill anyone who didn't convert to Islam.
Posted by: Hank at December 07, 2015 04:51 PM (aIt1F)
553
Sometimes God used baby talk with Old Testament folks in terms they'd understand, like with Moses.
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That's kinda special. OT folks were the ones what spoke to God face to face.
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That's kinda special. OT folks were the ones what spoke to God face to face.
Posted by: Bigby's Left Hook at December 07, 2015 04:52 PM (3ZtZW)
554
The other issue is that it's writen in a form of Arabic no one uses now.
It's as if we were all trying to interpret Beowulf for ourselves.
Speaking for myself here, but I prefer Angelina Jolie's interpretation.
It's as if we were all trying to interpret Beowulf for ourselves.
Speaking for myself here, but I prefer Angelina Jolie's interpretation.
Posted by: Methos at December 07, 2015 04:52 PM (ZbV+0)
555
Is mom as hot as the wife was? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Achmed's Goat-O-Rama at December 07, 2015 04:53 PM (yn6XZ)
556
But note, for about 400 years, that didn't happen. Its only lately that maniacs and radicals have gotten in charge and are pushing for a holy war more or less constantly.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:44 PM (39g3+)
Ask Black Jack Pershing about how he handled it in the Phillipines.
Their history doesn't matter. Their present behavior does. We are under attack, and the sick fucks who just declared a caliphate are the most fundamentalist muslims around.
***
Not true. Muz pushing against gates of europe up until West's industrial revolution made that a moot point.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:44 PM (39g3+)
Ask Black Jack Pershing about how he handled it in the Phillipines.
Their history doesn't matter. Their present behavior does. We are under attack, and the sick fucks who just declared a caliphate are the most fundamentalist muslims around.
***
Not true. Muz pushing against gates of europe up until West's industrial revolution made that a moot point.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:53 PM (P+ME4)
557
538 If you own a Nehru jacket I want you OUT
Posted by: Ben H at December 07, 2015 04:48 PM (gJEsZ)
Nehru was Hindu from India.
Posted by: Ben H at December 07, 2015 04:48 PM (gJEsZ)
Nehru was Hindu from India.
Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2015 04:53 PM (Zs4uk)
558
Aaaand that is one good reason why Catholicism is
growing in Africa by leaps and bounds. It actually offers hope and
forgiveness, unlike the religion of pieces. Go figure.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 07, 2015 04:48 PM (+YMhA)
I'm not Episcopalian, but I have to admit a little schadenfreude at seeing the Anglican Church grow so much in Africa, and American congregations affiliating with African bishops rather than the Episcopal ones.
growing in Africa by leaps and bounds. It actually offers hope and
forgiveness, unlike the religion of pieces. Go figure.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 07, 2015 04:48 PM (+YMhA)
I'm not Episcopalian, but I have to admit a little schadenfreude at seeing the Anglican Church grow so much in Africa, and American congregations affiliating with African bishops rather than the Episcopal ones.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 07, 2015 04:53 PM (5f5bM)
559
the only time I've heard vulgar language used to complete, perfect effect was in England, in a prestigious college office, by a beautiful and well-dressed secretary
it was precisely timed and completely out of context
the word is wallpaper everywhere else
it was precisely timed and completely out of context
the word is wallpaper everywhere else
Posted by: Feh at December 07, 2015 04:53 PM (IUhaV)
560
Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward
AKA: you do not have to do that, but will get out of hell sooner if you do. You can be a Muslim without it. See, in Islam, everyone goes to hell... unless they die a martyr in a holy war. Its a get out of hell free card, but eventually all Muslims get out of hell after paying for their sins.
AKA: you do not have to do that, but will get out of hell sooner if you do. You can be a Muslim without it. See, in Islam, everyone goes to hell... unless they die a martyr in a holy war. Its a get out of hell free card, but eventually all Muslims get out of hell after paying for their sins.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 07, 2015 04:53 PM (39g3+)
561
Thanks for the info TCN. I had a camp counselor when I was younger who'd spent time as a photographer in Alaska. Spoke about it reverently. I must visit. It sounds like you've got one heck of a family life, and that's a compliment.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 07, 2015 04:54 PM (FfVIs)
562
Aaaand that is one good reason why Catholicism is growing in Africa by leaps and bounds. It actually offers hope and forgiveness, unlike the religion of pieces. Go figure.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 07, 2015 04:48 PM (+YMhA)
See Jesus knew how to keep the party going. Mohammad bogarted all the booze and womyns for himself.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 07, 2015 04:48 PM (+YMhA)
See Jesus knew how to keep the party going. Mohammad bogarted all the booze and womyns for himself.
Posted by: Iblis at December 07, 2015 04:55 PM (9221z)
563
Both Peters and Dash have been punished with two week suspensions. I cited Peters with approval yesterday in the book thread and bought one of his books. I really need to comfort Ms. Dash, though.
Peters called Obozo a pussy and Dash said he didn't give a shit about terrorism. He was right and she was right, too.
See Hot Air for details.
Peters called Obozo a pussy and Dash said he didn't give a shit about terrorism. He was right and she was right, too.
See Hot Air for details.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 07, 2015 04:55 PM (Nwg0u)
564
Trump calls for shutting down Muslim immigration, Stacy Dash says Obama doesn't give a sh.t about ISIS and Col. Ralph Peters class Obama a pus.y. Best Monday I've had in years!
Posted by: Alf767 at December 07, 2015 04:56 PM (wE/DP)
565
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 07, 2015 04:43 PM (dvuhZ)
Hello!
I am my nic ( no hyphen, though, and all one word) at the google mail, I think the name reads Redneck Stamper, but TammyalThor is in the actual addie.
Hello!
I am my nic ( no hyphen, though, and all one word) at the google mail, I think the name reads Redneck Stamper, but TammyalThor is in the actual addie.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2015 04:56 PM (y1fTM)
566
Calls...geez
Posted by: Alf767 at December 07, 2015 04:57 PM (wE/DP)
567
You left out the next line "Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward ""
the analysis that follows is apt enough:
This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse). Allah will allow the disabled into Paradise, but will provide a larger reward to those who are able to kill in his cause.
the analysis that follows is apt enough:
This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse). Allah will allow the disabled into Paradise, but will provide a larger reward to those who are able to kill in his cause.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 04:57 PM (P+ME4)
568
Nehru was Hindu from India.
Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2015 04:53 PM (Zs4uk)
Well there's no Jinnah jacket
Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2015 04:53 PM (Zs4uk)
Well there's no Jinnah jacket
Posted by: Ben H at December 07, 2015 04:57 PM (gJEsZ)
569
Moms is every bit as hawt as the wife and she has more experience in the ways to your heart.
Plus she makes a mean plate of humus with goat eyes.
Plus she makes a mean plate of humus with goat eyes.
Posted by: Hank at December 07, 2015 04:58 PM (aIt1F)
570
I don't get into scripture quoting competitions. I haven't read or studied the quran, and I can only set myself up for a smackdown if I try to copy and paste some shit I googled.
You will know them by their works.
You will know them by their works.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 07, 2015 04:58 PM (FfVIs)
571
And I'm leaving my works, have a good night you heinous militant Christian crusaders
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 07, 2015 04:59 PM (FfVIs)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 05:01 PM (P+ME4)
573
Obama last night: This was not a conspiracy involving others.
Trump: The mother knew. Punish the families.
Yeah, I'm going with TRUMP on this one.
Trump: The mother knew. Punish the families.
Yeah, I'm going with TRUMP on this one.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 07, 2015 05:01 PM (xetep)
574
@497...Good. I agree. Ha.
I knew a mooslem surgeon during 9/11 (had heard, but never confirmed a shouting match between another mooslem doc and an Indian doc on or about 9/11...note: that same mooslem doc's office looks like a mosque, complete with marionette or whatchamacallit).
Anyway, very smart and well-respected surgeon, who fasted during ramadanabangbang, and smelled goatish during stressful times as no deodorant (I guess, fatwa if you don't have bo). Ok. So, shortly after 9/11, during the great and wonderful weeks of potential poison from anthrax in FL, having everyone who sneezed visiting ED's, I saw him practically jogging to his car with cell pressed to ear, looking worried. I thought, uh, oh, jihad cell (or not, making that up). At any rate, I knew mooslem docs. Don't have friends. If I knew then what I know now I would ask them why no reform? I would get the stink eye, probably, and maybe a big ole fatwa wish.
I knew a mooslem surgeon during 9/11 (had heard, but never confirmed a shouting match between another mooslem doc and an Indian doc on or about 9/11...note: that same mooslem doc's office looks like a mosque, complete with marionette or whatchamacallit).
Anyway, very smart and well-respected surgeon, who fasted during ramadanabangbang, and smelled goatish during stressful times as no deodorant (I guess, fatwa if you don't have bo). Ok. So, shortly after 9/11, during the great and wonderful weeks of potential poison from anthrax in FL, having everyone who sneezed visiting ED's, I saw him practically jogging to his car with cell pressed to ear, looking worried. I thought, uh, oh, jihad cell (or not, making that up). At any rate, I knew mooslem docs. Don't have friends. If I knew then what I know now I would ask them why no reform? I would get the stink eye, probably, and maybe a big ole fatwa wish.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 07, 2015 05:02 PM (7lqMl)
575
Jeb's son on Fox now...Jeb and his supporters are just a sad group of losers
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 04:47 PM (gf8BH)
Jeb's son has even lower energy than Jeb! Does Low-T run in the family? Very sad.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2015 04:47 PM (gf8BH)
Jeb's son has even lower energy than Jeb! Does Low-T run in the family? Very sad.
Posted by: The Donald at December 07, 2015 05:02 PM (nFdGS)
576
565: Got it, and I'll just use my real address then to send there. Some said they had no trouble doing that. You didn't have to do that, and I didn't want you or anyone to have to do that if they didn't want to.
Well, if somehow my idiot self can't get it to work, the dummy account I setup is "nobodyreally" followed by the standard at symbol, with 'charter' being the next and using a 'net', with the standard period in between them.
It may take me awhile to do it, so give at least an hour. Well, I'll post here when I send it.
Well, if somehow my idiot self can't get it to work, the dummy account I setup is "nobodyreally" followed by the standard at symbol, with 'charter' being the next and using a 'net', with the standard period in between them.
It may take me awhile to do it, so give at least an hour. Well, I'll post here when I send it.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 07, 2015 05:05 PM (dvuhZ)
577
Farook's mother lived in that shitty little townhouse for months while they built pipe bombs and their ammo collection, yet claims she saw nothing.
Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at December 07, 2015 05:07 PM (T1Jm0)
578
Farook's mother lived in that shitty little townhouse for months while they built pipe bombs and their ammo collection, yet claims she saw nothing.
***
she was engaged in jihad...too much self-reflection to notice things like that.
***
she was engaged in jihad...too much self-reflection to notice things like that.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 07, 2015 05:10 PM (P+ME4)
579
If we're to believe Obama, most dudes who call themselves Moslems are actually MINOs.
They don't <i>really</i> believe all that Koran stuff!
They don't <i>really</i> believe all that Koran stuff!
Posted by: J Moses Browning at December 07, 2015 05:10 PM (GZCRo)
580
I'm rolling on down to Barbados for a holiday, and will return with a better perspective on the pussy in the Oval Orifice.
I'm rolling on down to Barbados for a holiday, and will return with a better perspective on the pussy in the Oval Orifice.
Posted by: Ralph Peters at December 07, 2015 05:12 PM (OiFtZ)
581
Does anyone remember the tweet sent from ISIS about the "three lions" waging jihad? Who is the third lion? The mother?
Posted by: Soona at December 07, 2015 05:14 PM (Fmupd)
582
Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at December 07, 2015 05:07 PM (T1Jm0)
In all fairness, I could have been building a nuclear reactor and my mama would probably have remained clueless!
Guns would have gotten her attention, but stuff for pipe bombs I doubt, because I doubt she's ever seen one.
But Mama Jihadi surely knew what jihadi toys look like.
In all fairness, I could have been building a nuclear reactor and my mama would probably have remained clueless!
Guns would have gotten her attention, but stuff for pipe bombs I doubt, because I doubt she's ever seen one.
But Mama Jihadi surely knew what jihadi toys look like.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2015 05:17 PM (y1fTM)
583
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 07, 2015 05:05 PM (dvuhZ)
You are so kind to go through this trouble! I did just send one to your dummy acct...hopefully.
You are so kind to go through this trouble! I did just send one to your dummy acct...hopefully.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2015 05:18 PM (y1fTM)
584
Reading the HQ with one eye in a bandage is a pain in the ass.
Had eye surgery and have my reading glasses taped to my head.
Had eye surgery and have my reading glasses taped to my head.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 07, 2015 05:18 PM (jJRIy)
585
Paging Tammy al-Thor. I sent you a test email.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 07, 2015 05:22 PM (dvuhZ)
586
There is no greater love than this, that a good child murders infidels that defy the will of Allah!
Posted by: Deep Thoughts... by Rafia Farook at December 07, 2015 05:23 PM (yn6XZ)
587
Rumplestiltskin!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2015 05:26 PM (y1fTM)
588
Even if we do ask prospective immigrants "what they believe in' the concept of taqqiyah makes the answers suspect. In effect, the "true believers" will just fucking lie.
Posted by: LGoPs at December 07, 2015 05:26 PM (vMpKJ)
589
Nip I swear I am laughing with you, not at you....
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2015 05:26 PM (y1fTM)
590
I don't want or need Muslims to be put through the ordeal of Denouncement Theater, in which people demand they condemn actions they had nothing to do with.
Of the few who do utter denouncements, almost all of them are lying, anyway.
Words are meaningless. Only actions are relevant.
Of the few who do utter denouncements, almost all of them are lying, anyway.
Words are meaningless. Only actions are relevant.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 07, 2015 05:28 PM (zc3Db)
591
Tammy, right. Of course you should have asked me to repeat it. 
By me repeating it, you see the same code word from the hash here on the blog as came in the email.
It doesn't matter, I doubt Putin or Bob at the NSA really care. Or any hackers.
I'll be sending the real info I wanted to get to you as soon as my little fingers can type it.
By me repeating it, you see the same code word from the hash here on the blog as came in the email. It doesn't matter, I doubt Putin or Bob at the NSA really care. Or any hackers.
I'll be sending the real info I wanted to get to you as soon as my little fingers can type it.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 07, 2015 05:29 PM (dvuhZ)
592
I've said it before, when, oh when will the wingnut racist GOP get serious about banning pipes? There is no legitimate use for pipebombs, if you want to use them for hunting or practice bombing you should have to leave your pipes at the range and check them out. No one should have any pipes in their homes. But the evil NPA won't allow any restrictions on ownership. For shame.
Posted by: docweasel at December 07, 2015 05:32 PM (XxzcU)
593
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 07, 2015 05:29 PM (dvuhZ)
I am SO not a good agent!
And no rush, even though I am vastly intrigued. Please don't keep yourself from anything for this!
I am SO not a good agent!
And no rush, even though I am vastly intrigued. Please don't keep yourself from anything for this!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2015 05:37 PM (y1fTM)
594
Obama knew this before his speech yesterday.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 07, 2015 05:55 PM (T78UI)
595
So, DEPORT her with HONORS - take away her welfare, documents and send her away with a pig strapped to her back
Posted by: sam spade at December 07, 2015 07:24 PM (tTRuI)
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