Joe Biden's Wife: Sure, Go Ahead and Beat Hillary

In other campaign news, Joe Biden has said forever that his decision to run would depend partly on his wife (and partly on whether his full heart was in it).

Well, his wife says she's DTF, and that, of course, means Down to First-Lady.

Contrary to reports suggesting Vice President Joe Biden's wife remains an obstacle to his potential presidential run, sources tell NBC News that Jill Biden is fully behind him for another bid.
Jill Biden, sources tell NBC's Chuck Todd, is 100 percent on-board with a presidential run, despite reports indicating her hesitation is part of what's keeping Biden from jumping into the race.

Ben Carson has said either he couldn't support a Muslim for president, or that, if the Muslim rejected shari'a, maybe he could.

Yeah I don't care about this story either, but I figured I'd post it and shut the tab.

Corrected: I misread that story about the guy who "asked the question" about Muslims to Trump. He didn't ask the question; he simply had a reaction caught on camera that Business Insider thinks is important or something.

Sorry about that.

Posted by: Ace at 06:31 PM

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1 Oh, so in other words, he was a plant?

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:32 PM (AkOaV)

2 Are they going to ask Hillary! to denounce that horrid hate speech the guy screamed out at trump?

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:32 PM (AkOaV)

3 third, too?

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:32 PM (AkOaV)

4 4th?

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:33 PM (AkOaV)

5 Are they going to ask Hillary! to denounce that horrid hate speech the guy screamed out at trump?
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:32 PM (AkOaV)

Ha, ha, ha, ha......oh you were seriously asking?

Posted by: WOPR at September 21, 2015 06:34 PM (nRvEn)

6 Called it.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 21, 2015 06:34 PM (AC0lD)

7 We knew he was a plant all along by the absurd way the question was asked.

Par for the Course

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 06:34 PM (gf8BH)

8 Article says the Clinton Supporter is not the same guy who asked the question.

Posted by: Caiwyn at September 21, 2015 06:34 PM (qRZ5f)

9 ::taps mic::

is this thing on?

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:34 PM (AkOaV)

10 >>>Oh, so in other words, he was a plant?

not a plant per se, at least not yet, as he wasn't *told* to go there (as far as we know).

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:34 PM (dciA+)

11 Surprise Surprise, a Hillary Clinton Supporter

More like an athletic supporter. Smelled like one, anyway.

Posted by: St. Margaret Atheling Queen of Scotland, aka tcn in AK at September 21, 2015 06:34 PM (+YMhA)

12 Article is saying the Clinton Supporter is a guy who was caught on camera reacting to the question, not the guy who asked it.

Posted by: Caiwyn at September 21, 2015 06:35 PM (qRZ5f)

13 I just KNEW that dork was a plant.

So are we going to have media embargo on that news?

Posted by: PJ at September 21, 2015 06:35 PM (cHuNI)

14 When did it become Trump's job, or anyone else's, to defend President Traitor? Doesn't his Praetorian Guard Media do enough of a job of it?

And when did Stephie defend GW Bush or Sarah Palin? You know, in the interest of even-handedness (which the media never does).

Posted by: acethepug at September 21, 2015 06:35 PM (RHPFv)

15 Ace tsk,tek,tsk--you know most of the oldsters here or not hip to the jib.

DTF ....oy.

Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 06:35 PM (mcm0N)

16 oh, nevermind. some dude on the stage is a confirmed hillary supporter. The questioner is not confirmed yet. Got it.

Thats why you read the article I guess

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:35 PM (AkOaV)

17 I expected that he was a plant.

Posted by: Carol at September 21, 2015 06:35 PM (HbFq+)

18 ...Was, Surprise Surprise, a Hillary Clinton Supporter

****

Aha! So she can't walk without external assistance! Proof at last.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 21, 2015 06:35 PM (NeFrd)

19 That Hillary is a sly old slag.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 21, 2015 06:35 PM (8ZskC)

20

When did you stop beating your robot, Joe?

Posted by: imp at September 21, 2015 06:36 PM (XIXZz)

21 12 Article is saying the Clinton Supporter is a guy who was caught on camera reacting to the question, not the guy who asked it.

That's what I heard too, although I think the question asker was a plant too...

Posted by: donna at September 21, 2015 06:36 PM (hUdMz)

22 mmmm paste

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:36 PM (rwI+c)

23
A multi-day Media Orgasm over a ancient pol trick...
The media--as much or more so than the Dem Party --knows they have to take any and all measure to assure a member of the UniParty wins.
CanNOT risk the chance that the bully pulpit will be used to expose the media's agenda. .

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at September 21, 2015 06:36 PM (htXhe)

24
ACE!

Wait. I think you read the BI piece too quickly. Please re-check!!

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 06:36 PM (zrhpL)

25
Wait

what?

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 06:37 PM (dFi94)

26 Wait. I may have Comment Dsyphoria.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 21, 2015 06:37 PM (8ZskC)

27 ::shifty eyes::

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:37 PM (AkOaV)

28 Well that was fast.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 06:37 PM (gf8BH)

29 "I was almost too afraid to let them know there was a liberal amongst them because they probably would've lynched me."

Someone took the lessons of Heart of Redness to, uh, heart.

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2005/01/heart_of_rednes.html

Posted by: David von Drehle at September 21, 2015 06:37 PM (FCzVj)

30 Call me if you need me, Jill.

Posted by: mistress pain at September 21, 2015 06:37 PM (+W1gD)

31 So a self starting plant kind of like a fungus.

Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 06:37 PM (mcm0N)

32 Oh, okay, just saw the correction.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:37 PM (AkOaV)

33 Wait...Biden has a wife? I assumed he didn't given all his free roaming hands photo ops.

Posted by: El Kabong at September 21, 2015 06:37 PM (4BvsP)

34 First Doctor, you mean.

Posted by: Dr. Jill Biden at September 21, 2015 06:38 PM (2jQGY)

35 Did you delete the link to BI?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:38 PM (rwI+c)

36 Another plant. Probably a fruit.

Posted by: Dang at September 21, 2015 06:38 PM (2oWD2)

37 Dr. Jill says Joe has a feeeever and the cure is the Big Chair.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 21, 2015 06:38 PM (8ZskC)

38 Now all we are left with is Biden's wife? My G-D do i feel empty

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 06:38 PM (gf8BH)

39
So now the topic isn't the topic anymore but it's still the same thread only with a different topic?

Either that or I need more gin

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 06:38 PM (dFi94)

40 10 Oh, so in other words, he was a plant?
------------------
Lone wolf.

Posted by: Chi at September 21, 2015 06:38 PM (aYrkW)

41 >>>8 Article says the Clinton Supporter is not the same guy who asked the question.

good news and bad news: good news, you're 100% right, and bad news, you're banned.

just kidding.

MAJOR RETRACTION

I got that story tweeted to me with the claim that it was about the guy asking the question. It's not -- it's about a guy making a face about the question on camera.

Totally misread it, based on how it was digested for me. I did not read the article.

You all know how that goes, I trust.

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:38 PM (dciA+)

42 That's what I heard too, although I think the question asker was a plant too...

Agreed, but this article doesn't confirm that. Business Insider is a left-wing rag, so I wouldn't expect them to.

Posted by: Caiwyn at September 21, 2015 06:39 PM (qRZ5f)

43 My husband told me and I don't know where he saw/heard it.. but the guy at Trumps rally was for real. Some people interviewed afterward apparently know him and think he's a kook. Too bad because he was spot on. BTW.. Trump handled that beautifully.

Posted by: jewells45 at September 21, 2015 06:39 PM (/IQip)

44
"Sure go ahead and beat Hillary"
.........................

Here's a sock full of quarters, Joe.

Posted by: wth at September 21, 2015 06:39 PM (wAQA5)

45
From what I gather, the BI piece is about the *another guy in the audience, who was near the wacky questioner, and he's the clinton supporter.

Business Insider, which is an Awful Terrible publication filled with liars and dummies, is applauding the *other guy (the clinton supporter) for his reaction to the wacky Trump questioner.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 06:39 PM (zrhpL)

46 >>>Did you delete the link to BI?

yeah it was totally wrong; see update.

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:39 PM (dciA+)

47 Either that or I need more gin

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 06:38 PM (dFi94)

I used to have a saying....why stop at 6?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 21, 2015 06:39 PM (AC0lD)

48 not a plant per se, at least not yet, as he wasn't *told* to go there (as far as we know).
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:34 PM (dciA+)

Not yet.

Dems in full recruit mode.

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at September 21, 2015 06:39 PM (48QDY)

49 >>29 "I was almost too afraid to let them know there was a liberal amongst them because they probably would've lynched me."

Drama queen

Posted by: Lea at September 21, 2015 06:39 PM (vmMMi)

50 >>>From what I gather, the BI piece is about the *another guy in the audience, who was near the wacky questioner, and he's the clinton supporter.

yeah.

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:39 PM (dciA+)

51 35 Did you delete the link to BI?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:38 PM (rwI+c)

Like that famous Stalin picture, it's been disappeared.

Which I get.

I still think the questioner was a plant. Or at the very least, not an actual Trump supporter. Because if he supported Trump, he would know asking that question is NOT HELPFUL even if that's how he feels.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:39 PM (AkOaV)

52 Hey Ace don't worry, I am sure it will eventually come out the real questioner is a plant also. Just hang in there

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 06:39 PM (gf8BH)

53 So now we know the Ewok has a hair trigger. Appropriate, given all the fur.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 21, 2015 06:40 PM (8ZskC)

54 lol grammie.. love ya!!

Posted by: jewells45 at September 21, 2015 06:40 PM (/IQip)

55 No sweat, Ace. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Posted by: Caiwyn at September 21, 2015 06:40 PM (qRZ5f)

56 When will I stop getting Spanish feminine hygiene ads with lady gitch?

Posted by: logprof at September 21, 2015 06:40 PM (vsbNu)

57 Sure why wouldn't Mrs Bidon wouldn't want to be in the White house for awhile. Lots of perks, don't here of her galvanizing around the world.

Posted by: skip at September 21, 2015 06:40 PM (7L6zt)

58 yeah it was totally wrong; see update.

I still wanted to read it and it would help my lazy google fu.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:40 PM (rwI+c)

59 >>> No sweat, Ace. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news

i guess there's a reason the media didn't pick up on it...

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:40 PM (dciA+)

60 Totally misread it, based on how it was digested for me. I did not read the article.

You all know how that goes, I trust.

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:38 PM (dciA+)

When it comes to linked articles... well, you're preachin' to the choir, ace, preachin' to the choir.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:41 PM (AkOaV)

61 stick the link in a comment.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:41 PM (rwI+c)

62 When will I stop getting Spanish feminine hygiene ads with lady gitch?

Pro Tip: Ropas fresca aren't just for teh wimmen.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 21, 2015 06:41 PM (8ZskC)

63 Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:40 PM (rwI+c)

here.

http://tinyurl.com/ns98hwk

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:41 PM (AkOaV)

64 Joe Biden's Wife: Sure, Go Ahead and Beat Hillary

Oh the Misogyny!

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 21, 2015 06:42 PM (1CroS)

65
Never trust Business Insider.

They are as unreliable a source as Zerohedge and quite biased. Their business acumen is laughable. It is a mystery as to why "business" is in their name or why they even comment on business matters.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 06:42 PM (zrhpL)

66
OT - Jets vs Colts ?

Really? gah

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 06:42 PM (dFi94)

67 >>>I still think the questioner was a plant. Or at the very least, not an actual Trump supporter. Because if he supported Trump, he would know asking that question is NOT HELPFUL even if that's how he feels.

Um...disagree. I think Trump inherited a lot of the Ron Paul true believers who think Now Is The Time to have serious discussions about...things. Regardless of tactical logic.

Posted by: El Kabong at September 21, 2015 06:42 PM (4BvsP)

68 But hey! How 'bout that local sports team?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:42 PM (rwI+c)

69 here.

I thank you.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:42 PM (rwI+c)

70 here's the link:

http://www.businessinsider.com/sane-guy-behind-trump-during-question-2015-9

the link was tweeted out as "Sane Guy Behind Trump During Question About Muslims," which I took (and so did someone else) as "Sane Guy Behind Trump Question about Muslims."

But they meant physically behind Trump, not behind the Trump question.

Sorry.

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:43 PM (dciA+)

71 56 When will I stop getting Spanish feminine hygiene ads with lady gitch?
Posted by: logprof at September 21, 2015 06:40 PM (vsbNu)

Ad Block is your friend.

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at September 21, 2015 06:43 PM (48QDY)

72 We'd all like to beat Hillary.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 21, 2015 06:43 PM (8ZskC)

73 So how come Joe gets to dodge the "When does life begin" question?

Posted by: Iblis at September 21, 2015 06:43 PM (9221z)

74 I still think the questioner was a plant. Or at the very least, not an actual Trump supporter. Because if he supported Trump, he would know asking that question is NOT HELPFUL even if that's how he feels.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:39 PM (AkOaV)

*shrug*

It's hard to argue that Trump only attracts smart supporters, and zero dumb ones.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 21, 2015 06:43 PM (0NdlF)

75 We're going to get The Biden aren't we?

Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 06:43 PM (mcm0N)

76 I thank you.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:42 PM (rwI+c)

You, sir, are welcomed.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:43 PM (AkOaV)

77 And don't forget the baseball bat, Joe.

Posted by: Jill Biden at September 21, 2015 06:43 PM (wAQA5)

78 stick the link in a comment.

Posted by: Grump928

No! Stick the link in a pancake...

Posted by: Dang, craving pigs in a blanket at September 21, 2015 06:43 PM (2oWD2)

79 >>>We're going to get The Biden aren't we?

at this point The Biden would be a godsend

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:44 PM (dciA+)

80 *shrug*

It's hard to argue that Trump only attracts smart supporters, and zero dumb ones.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 21, 2015 06:43 PM (0NdlF)

yeah i dont know

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:44 PM (AkOaV)

81 I hate this laptop with the heat of a million suns.

I wonder how kissing a guy who eats paste is like, Jill?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 21, 2015 06:45 PM (FsuaD)

82 Ace

You think Biden would be easier to defeat than Hillary?

Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 06:45 PM (mcm0N)

83 79 >>>We're going to get The Biden aren't we?

at this point The Biden would be a godsend
I don't know. I think He could be hard to beat, and I'm sure He's as bad as His boss...

Posted by: donna at September 21, 2015 06:45 PM (hUdMz)

84 On the brightside, neither Biden or Hillary! is a secret Moslem.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:45 PM (rwI+c)

85 I was just talking to my mom about what would it be like if it was Trump v Biden. Entertaining doesn't even come close to describing it.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 21, 2015 06:45 PM (Ii765)

86
Joe Biden would like everyone to call Jill his alive wife so people won't confuse her with his dead wife on the campaign trail. Same for his alive children.

It's no secret here that I hate Joe Biden. He will use his late son to advance his political career shamelessly and it makes me sick. It will be wall to wall Beaumentum soon.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 06:45 PM (zrhpL)

87 Meanwhile... in Joe Biden's head:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE

Posted by: Frontier Hat at September 21, 2015 06:45 PM (vBeA5)

88 Um...disagree. I think Trump inherited a lot of the Ron Paul true believers who think Now Is The Time to have serious discussions about...things. Regardless of tactical logic.
Posted by: El Kabong at September 21, 2015 06:42 PM (4BvsP)

Nah, not even Paul supporters are that dumb

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 06:46 PM (gf8BH)

89 But Trump did play it well, pointing out that Obama wouldn't defend Trump vs. similar charges.

You don't shoot your own side, even if you think they're dumb extremists. I'll follow that, as opposed to the ones who want to call me HEARTLESS and whatever other nonsense.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 21, 2015 06:46 PM (0NdlF)

90 So the same press who got the vapors over Trump's statements and that idiot at his forum will have the ame kind of hysterics over Biden's 'indians at 7-11' and the 'clean and articulate' ones, right?

Right...?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 21, 2015 06:46 PM (oVJmc)

91 I say, the more the merrier on the Dem side. Let Kerry throw his saddle in the ring, and ManBearPig's fat ass.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 21, 2015 06:46 PM (FsuaD)

92 >>>>Joe Biden's Wife: Sure, Go Ahead and Beat Hillary

----

An I sniff her hair first? I like doing that.

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 21, 2015 06:46 PM (z/Ubi)

93 Thanks for the link guys but that article is a whole lotta nuthin. I was more tempted by the 'Meet the Mysterious Heiress' that popped up.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:47 PM (rwI+c)

94 So the face on camera reacting to the question is a Clintonista, and the plant asking the question is a cut out with no known links to the Clinton machine.

Ya know, Hollywood does this kind of scene pretty well and we've gotten used to figuring out who are the bad guys. Usually because Hollywood usually supplies some hints; drops some clues like the mystery writers do.

Posted by: Harcourt Guggenklamber at September 21, 2015 06:47 PM (/YDCS)

95 I think Biden's favorables are higher than Hillary's.

Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 06:47 PM (mcm0N)

96 Good heavens, if we have to listen to old smirky-face dork-brain for an entire campaign, I just can't.....

We need to bring back the throw-the-brick-through-the-tv schtick we used to use for MNF.

Remember that last debate with that smarmy asshole? He oozed all over the stage. Gah!

Posted by: St. Margaret Atheling Queen of Scotland, aka tcn in AK at September 21, 2015 06:47 PM (+YMhA)

97 Walker is an asshole for attacking Trump. He failed to make a case for himself and so he strikes at the Leader? Piss poor

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 06:47 PM (gf8BH)

98 66
OT - Jets vs Colts ?

Really? gah
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 06:42 PM (dFi94)

--Could be a good one. Got Chris Ivory and Andrew Luck on a couple of my fantasy teams, so there's that. I'm gonna miss the first half, though.

Posted by: logprof at September 21, 2015 06:47 PM (vsbNu)

99 I think Joe would have a Howard Dean "HEEEYAAHH!" moment but Joe's would involve ice cream and grabbing a lady's boob.

Posted by: Dang at September 21, 2015 06:48 PM (2oWD2)

100 So, Joe, you're going to let the JEF choose your running mate? Seriously?

Go eat some more paste and try to color inside the lines. 'K?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 21, 2015 06:48 PM (FsuaD)

101 Joe Biden エッチする

http://preview.tinyurl.com/kyv3tr7

Posted by: Anime Girls Everywhere at September 21, 2015 06:48 PM (vBeA5)

102 Since the world is in such good shape, primarily because, yeah, muslims, it only makes sense that we should have a muslim president. It would totally make the world a better, friendlier, more peaceful place.

Remember how well having a Republican controlled congress worked to stymie the progressive agenda?

Like fracking clockwork, I tell ya.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 21, 2015 06:48 PM (BZAd3)

103 Well, Mrs. Clinton, there it is! The Right Wing Hate Machine would rather see ANYONE other than a WOMAN running for President of the United States! Why don't they just come out and ADMIT it! I'm sure all right thinking, fair minded people would urge you to continue in your quest to make history!

Posted by: Real Everyday American at September 21, 2015 06:48 PM (YFFpo)

104 Campaigning is work. It makes a body hungry. The first thing Joe needs to do is start a paste fund.

Posted by: More Useful Than Dayspring at September 21, 2015 06:48 PM (Q8y6V)

105 My mother also thinks Obama is a secret Muslim, I keep telling her he's an atheist marxist.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 21, 2015 06:49 PM (BHl9S)

106 Ad Block is your friend.
Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at September 21, 2015 06:43 PM (48QDY)

--For some reason, it does not work on my Opera browser.

Posted by: logprof at September 21, 2015 06:49 PM (vsbNu)

107 I think Biden's favorables are higher than Hillary's.

He's a cipher to anyone not old enough to remember when he ran for President against Dukakis.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:49 PM (rwI+c)

108 Nah, not even Paul supporters are that dumb
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 06:46 PM (gf8BH)

::glares at NGU::

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:49 PM (AkOaV)

109 I hope to hell Carson doesn't back down from his Muzzie as president comment. I thought F. Chuck Todd's head would explode.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 21, 2015 06:49 PM (FsuaD)

110 >>>at this point The Biden would be a godsend

I don't know. I think He could be hard to beat, and I'm sure He's as bad as His boss...
.
.
.I don't think so. He certainly doesn't hate the US as much as Obama does. And he does not have that huge "chip" on his shoulder that Obama does.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 21, 2015 06:49 PM (iONHu)

111 Gawd I still remember that VP debate where Biden just smirked and nastied his way to a victory.

Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 06:50 PM (mcm0N)

112
So Ivory is definitely playing then?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 21, 2015 06:50 PM (ODxAs)

113 On the brightside, neither Biden or Hillary! is a secret Moslem.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:45 PM (rwI+c)

It's not a secret. By Islamic law, Obama is Muslim because his father was a Muslim. Obama has never renounced that and therefore, by the rules, he is a Muslim. In practice though, he is a West hating atheist.

Posted by: WOPR at September 21, 2015 06:50 PM (nRvEn)

114 Andrew Luck really should grow the epic beard like in the commercial.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:50 PM (rwI+c)

115 Go Ahead and Beat Hillary

Like a rented mule!

Posted by: Jill Biden at September 21, 2015 06:50 PM (FcR7P)

116

If Scott Walker's name was Skywalker, he'd be at the top of the polls.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 06:50 PM (zrhpL)

117 97 Walker is an asshole for attacking Trump. He failed to make a case for himself and so he strikes at the Leader? Piss poor
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 06:47 PM (gf8BH)

This is hilarious crap. So, because a complete unknown and unknowable is somehow leading the pack, it is bad form to attack him? Like it isn't in Walker's interest to have Trump crash and burn? Like it isn't in all our interests in the long run to force Trump to stand for something, anything, so that we might have some idea what we are getting into?

Talk about hero worship. Sheesh.

Posted by: St. Margaret Atheling Queen of Scotland, aka tcn in AK at September 21, 2015 06:51 PM (+YMhA)

118 >>>You think Biden would be easier to defeat than Hillary?

i dunno, i just can't take hillary. if it's hillary, and she wins, I might go crazy.

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:51 PM (dciA+)

119 I still think the questioner was a plant.

What sets off my suspicions is the guy getting up and hitting three bullet points down the line.

"We have a problem in this country. It's called Muslims," an unidentified
man said to Trump at a town hall in Rochester,N.H., onThursday night. "You know our current president is one. You know he's not even an
American."

1, 2, 3. Like he intended to get those points in.

And then had no point, something vague about ISIS.

Like it was a stunt to cause the outrage it did.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 21, 2015 06:51 PM (oVJmc)

120 >>I wonder how kissing a guy who eats paste is like

Been a while, but as I remember: Sticky. You know like putting peanut butter on the roof of your dog's mouth.

Posted by: Tipper Gore at September 21, 2015 06:51 PM (c7vUv)

121 Maybe someone should ask Hilary if she could support a Pentecostalist for president?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 21, 2015 06:51 PM (5LOno)

122 Fuck Joe Biden.

Hope he does run and gets run over by that Battleaxe Hillary. Assholes both of them.

From "Stand up Chuck" to his drug addled children to his plastic wife, run Joe run. Please.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 21, 2015 06:51 PM (ej1L0)

123 Imagine in 1944 the press asking a Republican if a Jap should be in the White House.

Posted by: blaster at September 21, 2015 06:51 PM (2Ocf1)

124 111 Gawd I still remember that VP debate where Biden just smirked and nastied his way to a victory.
Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 06:50 PM (mcm0N)

The word you are looking for is "slimed."

Posted by: St. Margaret Atheling Queen of Scotland, aka tcn in AK at September 21, 2015 06:51 PM (+YMhA)

125 >>>Talk about hero worship. Sheesh.

most of your point was pretty reasonable but please stop with the personal insults.

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:52 PM (dciA+)

126 if it's hillary, and she wins, I might go crazy.

Come to Team Burn, Ace. You worry because you still have hope.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:52 PM (rwI+c)

127 Pale Moon and updates.

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at September 21, 2015 06:52 PM (48QDY)

128
How can you not see the warped evil in Joe Biden?
The man is no good.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 06:52 PM (zrhpL)

129 First thing you have to do Joe, say you won't beat Hillary like Jeb would.

Posted by: Brad Dayspring at September 21, 2015 06:52 PM (Q8y6V)

130
Prez Biden. 74 when he would be inaugurated, with questionable personal and family heath history.

Anticipating his VP pick would be like creeping up to a face-hugger alien egg.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 21, 2015 06:52 PM (kdS6q)

131
Oh come on, obama isn't a muslim. He's a gay muslim.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 21, 2015 06:52 PM (ODxAs)

132 I'm not just the President of a nation friendly to Afghani Institutionalized Buggery, I'm also a client!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at September 21, 2015 06:52 PM (FcR7P)

133 Everyone thinks Slow Joe is a gentle retard. He's as evil as his boss.

The dad of one of the Benghazi dead who described Plugs grinning at him in front of his son's coffin, "I'll bet your son had a big set of clanging balls. Heh."

My husband would have thrown him to the ground and choked him before the SS pulled him off. And I would have kicked him in the balls and the head.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 21, 2015 06:52 PM (FsuaD)

134 Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 21, 2015 06:51 PM (oVJmc)

Well, here's the thing.

In NH, there is kind of a "rally circuit" if you will. Lot of the same people show up at all of these political rallies. Now, there are also a lot of people who only show up occasionally or only at rallies for candidates they like.

But from my buddies who go a lot of these events that I've talked to -- none of them know who this guy is.

Doesn't mean MUCH, but... I don't know.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 06:53 PM (AkOaV)

135 109
I hope to hell Carson doesn't back down from his Muzzie as president comment. I thought F. Chuck Todd's head would explode.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 21, 2015 06:49 PM (FsuaD)

seriously.....i have zero problem with what he said.....it's not like he said if he becomes president he is going to make sure no muslim can ever become president by enacting some law.....i mean seriously.....he has a valid opinion ....that carries no weight outside of him.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 21, 2015 06:53 PM (0O7c5)

136 Biden/Warren 2016

Posted by: steevy at September 21, 2015 06:53 PM (sPO3u)

137 most of your point was pretty reasonable but please stop with the personal insults.

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:52 PM (dciA+)

Sorry. thought I was talking about the comment, not the commenter. I shall refrain.

Posted by: St. Margaret Atheling Queen of Scotland, aka tcn in AK at September 21, 2015 06:53 PM (+YMhA)

138 Contrary to reports suggesting Vice President Joe Biden's wife remains an obstacle to his potential presidential run, sources tell NBC News that Jill Biden is fully behind him for another bid.
--------------

Shouldn't that read "DR.[/] Jill Biden"?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 21, 2015 06:53 PM (9mTYi)

139 Posted by: WOPR at September 21, 2015 06:50 PM (nRvEn)

Forget the transcripts. I'd still like to see those college applications.

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at September 21, 2015 06:53 PM (48QDY)

140 Italican fail

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 21, 2015 06:53 PM (9mTYi)

141 This is hilarious crap. So, because a complete unknown and unknowable is somehow leading the pack, it is bad form to attack him? Like it isn't in Walker's interest to have Trump crash and burn? Like it isn't in all our interests in the long run to force Trump to stand for something, anything, so that we might have some idea what we are getting into?

Talk about hero worship. Sheesh.
Posted by: St. Margaret Atheling Queen of Scotland, aka tcn in AK at September 21, 2015 06:51 PM (+YMhA)

A) I am not a Trump supporter
B) Only the STUPID Party attacks and eats it's own rather than attacking the real enemy..The Democrats
C) All the other Candidates have to do is make a case that appeals to us and stop being RINOs

But I guess for you attacking and eating your own makes more sense ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 06:53 PM (gf8BH)

142 Even the Dems rejected Biden twice before.

What has he done to get better?

Posted by: blaster at September 21, 2015 06:54 PM (2Ocf1)

143 Aw, shucks, my "Don't Fear the Reaper" parody got willowed on the previous thread. So I'll report it here for your enjoyment!

166 "Now that I see the video, he specifically calls upon other candidates to drop out ... "

This is Walker's "Don't Fear the Reaper" moment.

As you may remember, the lyrics of "Don't Fear the Reaper" are about a boy who is committing suicide, and he is pleading with his girlfriend to commit suicide with him, so they can be together in death.

(Blue Oyster Cult has consistently denied this, but c'mon, the lyrics speak for themselves.)

Anyway, as Walker commits campaigncide, he also pleads with the other candidates to join him in the political afterlife:

Don't Fear the Walker

Campaign now is done
Voters, donors -- gone.
Me and all the other also-rans
Can be together in eternity
(Me and all the also-rans)
40,000 men and women every day
Can switch from Trump to a conservative
40,000 men and women every day
Redefine victory
Another 40,000 switching every day
You can be like they are
Come on baby (Don't fear the Walker)
Baby take my hand (Don't fear the Walker)
We'll be able to lose (Don't fear the Walker)
I am not your man...

Posted by: zombie at September 21, 2015 06:54 PM (jBuUi)

144 Let's get this meme going, people:

Barack Obama is a pedophile enabler.

or

Barack Obama loves Afghan pederasts.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 21, 2015 06:54 PM (FsuaD)

145 Great Scotsman

One of the worst things about Obama --even though it hasn't unwound to its full evil fruition yet--has been national security/ foreign policy.

Biden's fingerprints are all over that.

All of his poorly qualified national security hires ended up "graduating" and moving on to Obama's team.

Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 06:54 PM (mcm0N)

146 Stand up chuck makes me crack up.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 21, 2015 06:54 PM (BHl9S)

147 How weak of a President would one be if they let a previous President dictate who they HAVE to pick for VP? The media should be all over this...oh, wait.

Posted by: Desicat at September 21, 2015 06:54 PM (xXiRt)

148 112
So Ivory is definitely playing then?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 21, 2015 06:50 PM (ODxAs)

--Well, I hope so. I have no choice since I don't want to burn a roster spot/waiver priority to pick up Powell. The news bytes I've read on Ivory have said he's had limited practice, but has not missed a practice completely. I'd love to see another 2-TD game ffrom Ivory.

Posted by: logprof at September 21, 2015 06:54 PM (vsbNu)

149

The Hillary story on the sidebar about the mother expressing her son's suicide is priceless. How tone deaf can one be, seriously? The first thing out of anyone's mouth would be an "I'm so sorry your son went through that, and so sorry for your loss." Instead, she basically ignores this poor woman, and passes it off to another person to deal with.

I think she would actually be able to order the creation of concentration camps, that one.

Posted by: imp at September 21, 2015 06:54 PM (XIXZz)

150 Barak was one when he was younger and not a point of contention end of story. Never has he publicly disavowed as far as I have heard and squeaked it out but Steffy pushed it back. But either way doubt he is now, he's a lefty

Posted by: skip at September 21, 2015 06:54 PM (7L6zt)

151 say it with me

"obama is an opportunistic international hard left black marxist activist with muslim and broadly anti-western sympathies"

see that wasn't hard

Posted by: Feh at September 21, 2015 06:55 PM (NUguu)

152 Biden has that hail-fellow-well-met, back slapping, joke telling, hey glad to meetcha, hand shaking persona that gets creepier and creepier to more you see him.

Posted by: Harcourt Guggenklamber at September 21, 2015 06:55 PM (/YDCS)

153 But I guess for you attacking and eating your own makes more sense ha?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 06:53 PM (gf8BH)

Guess I'm still wondering how Trump makes to the list of Our Own. He hasn't particularly demonstrated anything that would make him a conservative. But YMMV.

Posted by: St. Margaret Atheling Queen of Scotland, aka tcn in AK at September 21, 2015 06:55 PM (+YMhA)

154 >>>
Sorry. thought I was talking about the comment, not the commenter. I shall refrain.

well it's very hard to parse between them, you're saying nevergiveup is hero worshippy.

I think nevergiveup's claim that it's somehow wrong for Walker to attack trump is silly -- says who? why can't walker announce his own preferences? -- but watch the personal insults.

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:55 PM (dciA+)

155
The GOP.

This ain't no party.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 06:55 PM (zrhpL)

156 Maybe it's just me, but WTF ARE we letting Islamists run their own terror training camps in the USA?

And why is Sharia law getting a foothold in Texas and Michigan.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: navybrat at September 21, 2015 06:55 PM (ETxiG)

157 #142

Lended credibility to Obama making the one possible.

Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 06:55 PM (mcm0N)

158 Guess I'm still wondering how Trump makes to the list of Our Own. He hasn't particularly demonstrated anything that would make him a conservative. But YMMV.
Posted by: St. Margaret Atheling Queen of Scotland, aka tcn in AK at September 21, 2015 06:55 PM (+YMhA)

Do you have any idea who my preference is? Or is this just a drive by heckling?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 06:56 PM (gf8BH)

159 i dunno, i just can't take hillary. if it's hillary, and she wins, I might go crazy.
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:51 PM (dciA+)

Even with a second helping of Bill? Surely that would smooth out the spikes a bit, right? Hearing that affected homey, down home, good ole' boy, raspy, irritating, disgusting, projectile vomit inducing...

Whoa... that went off the tracks in a hurry.

But, no. That wouldn't help?

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 21, 2015 06:56 PM (BZAd3)

160 If only we had some sort of opposition party to capitalize on this weak ass Democrat field.

Posted by: El Kabong at September 21, 2015 06:56 PM (4BvsP)

161 The Ban is going to require some epic flame-threads lest people explode.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 06:56 PM (rwI+c)

162 Shouldn't that read "DR.[/] Jill Biden"?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 21, 2015 06:53 PM (9mTYi)

YES!!!!

Posted by: DOCTOR Amy Bishop! at September 21, 2015 06:56 PM (vsbNu)

163 >>>As you may remember, the lyrics of "Don't Fear the Reaper" are about a boy who is committing suicide, and he is pleading with his girlfriend to commit suicide with him, so they can be together in death.

(Blue Oyster Cult has consistently denied this, but c'mon, the lyrics speak for themselves.)

...

gee i wish there were some authoritative source to resolve this question

http://podcast.aoshq.com/2015/07/24/buck-dharma/

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:57 PM (dciA+)

164 On radio brought back Joe's plagiarism the reason he dropped out before but guess once you drop out its forgiven

Posted by: skip at September 21, 2015 06:57 PM (7L6zt)

165
No one's gonna pick me up at #155?

Thanks for leaving me hanging.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 06:57 PM (zrhpL)

166 And if the argument is that defeating Trump is more important that have a Conservative Candidate actually stand up and make a case, then good for you, but I don't see the point in that?

You want to stop Trump. Make an appealing argument, and stop bitching about Trump

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 06:57 PM (gf8BH)

167 The Gentle, Grieving Joe persona is going to take off like a rocket with the Dems.

We joke about the old bastard eating paste and such, but he'd be Round #3 of the Obama administration, especially if Barry gets his Deval Patrick VP pick demand.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 21, 2015 06:57 PM (FsuaD)

168
I think Ivory could be limited, if the Colts get up big early. Might restrict the fp.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 21, 2015 06:58 PM (ODxAs)

169 I'll say this slowly so you fucking retards can understand me this time... it's.....my......fucking.....TURN!!!

Posted by: Hillary! at September 21, 2015 06:58 PM (YFFpo)

170 I just farted.

Posted by: Joey B. at September 21, 2015 06:59 PM (vsbNu)

171 hillary, potus? america will suffer:

a) quick kill
b) slow agonizing death
c) military coup

Posted by: Feh at September 21, 2015 06:59 PM (NUguu)

172 And why is Sharia law getting a foothold in . . . Michigan.

We're gonna give'm Detroit! and we'll have our own Gaza Strip.

Posted by: Harcourt Guggenklamber at September 21, 2015 06:59 PM (/YDCS)

173 Hey remember that time Biden mansplained Islam to Ayaan Hirsi Ali? What a fine president he'd make.

Posted by: stace at September 21, 2015 06:59 PM (CoX6k)

174 Jane.. I will never forget (or forgive) Biden attacking Clarence Thomas in the hearings. The man may have gotten a tad senile and goofy but he is a ruthless and horrible man. If everyone thinks he's gonna look like the poster boy for eating paste you better think again.

Posted by: jewells45 at September 21, 2015 06:59 PM (/IQip)

175 Do you have any idea who my preference is? Or is this just a drive by heckling?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 06:56 PM (gf8BH)

Not heckling. Discussing. But, as I said, YMMV. Still don't see how you place Trump on Our Side. At what point has he advanced anything that attaches to conservatism, or made any substantial statement that he even remotely interested in anything besides The Donald?

Do we really need another narcissist-in-chief?

Your point was that Walker was an asshole to want him shot down. I disagree. I think, in light of Trump himself, that his point is well made. You seem to think that's the snake eating it's tail. I don't believe that is so.

Sorry if you think that constitutes heckling.

Posted by: St. Margaret Atheling Queen of Scotland, aka tcn in AK at September 21, 2015 06:59 PM (+YMhA)

176 Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 06:57 PM (dciA+)

Heh. ace busting the zombie.

Though I think the world of both.

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at September 21, 2015 07:00 PM (48QDY)

177
Meanwhile... in Joe Biden's head:
........................

shorter version:
http://tinyurl.com/ntu94uc

Posted by: wth at September 21, 2015 07:00 PM (wAQA5)

178 I love you, jewells45.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 21, 2015 07:00 PM (FsuaD)

179 >>>A) I am not a Trump supporter
B) Only the STUPID Party attacks and eats it's own rather than attacking the real enemy..The Democrats
C) All the other Candidates have to do is make a case that appeals to us and stop being RINOs

But I guess for you attacking and eating your own makes more sense ha?

...

see this is what i'm trying to avoid, the little insult that sparks the angry response.

Nevergiveup, to respond to you:

>>>B) Only the STUPID Party attacks and eats it's own rather than attacking the real enemy..The Democrats

This is not true; this site attacks the GOP all the time, and while I do not know all of your comments, I imagine you do too.

So what can you possibly mean? sounds like selective claim of a "Rule" which is not a rule at all.

Invoking a "rule" only when someone you like is being attacked shows it's not a rule, it's just special pleading

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 07:00 PM (dciA+)

180
Walker never gave anyone a reason to support him.

I'll say this about Lindsey Graham: He's telling me exactly what he's running for. If I want a maniacal warmonger, Graham has my vote.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 07:00 PM (zrhpL)

181
135 109
I hope to hell Carson doesn't back down from his Muzzie as president comment. I thought F. Chuck Todd's head would explode.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 21, 2015 06:49 PM (FsuaD)

seriously.....i have zero problem with what he said.....it's not like he said if he becomes president he is going to make sure no muslim can ever become president by enacting some law.....i mean seriously.....he has a valid opinion ....that carries no weight outside of him.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 21, 2015 06:53 PM (0O7c5)

Does he have any of the typical GOP consultants working for him? If he does I'm sure they're advising him to back down.

Really it seems like the way to handle most crap like this is to grab 20 commenters from here and ask them to give a response. If 10 have the same response and your consultants are terrified by it, Do It.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 21, 2015 07:00 PM (z/Ubi)

182 i didn't mean to "bust" zombie, I just thought it was amusing that we have that podcast to rebut this old myth.

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 07:01 PM (dciA+)

183 I think Ivory could be limited, if the Colts get up big early. Might restrict the fp.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 21, 2015 06:58 PM (ODxAs)

--Colts run D is soft. My path to fantasy victory is the Jets get a lead on the strength of rushing, then Luck has to play catch-up (ideally tossing to Moncrief). I'd happier as an Ivory owner than I'd be as a Hilton owner.

Posted by: logprof at September 21, 2015 07:02 PM (vsbNu)

184 Guess I'm still wondering how Trump makes to the list of Our Own. He hasn't particularly demonstrated anything that would make him a conservative. But YMMV.
Posted by: St. Margaret Atheling Queen of Scotland, aka tcn in AK at September 21, 2015 06:55 PM (+YMhA)

He's moved the Overton window right. He's changed the debate and the media coverage. He's not GOPe. He's in the right place to sink Jeb.

If he succeeds in building a wall to push back on immigration, he will have done more to conserve this nation than Obama or Bush. (Bush set the stage for importing illegals and Muslims)

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 21, 2015 07:02 PM (0NdlF)

185 Is it safe to post again???

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2015 07:02 PM (HiC8z)

186 Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 07:01 PM (dciA+)

Yeah. Poor choice.

Beat me to it. You were quicker with the link.

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at September 21, 2015 07:02 PM (48QDY)

187 Meanwhile, our son, suffering from severe knee pain, FINALLY gets in to see the VA. They tell him there's nothing wrong with his knee.

He tells them, "I sprained it three times in Afghanistan. It causes me constant pain."

The VA: Well, here. Put this thing on your knee and wear it for a while. You'll feel better.

I couldn't hate this administration more.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 21, 2015 07:02 PM (FsuaD)

188 Your point was that Walker was an asshole to want him shot down. I disagree. I think, in light of Trump himself, that his point is well made. You seem to think that's the snake eating it's tail. I don't believe that is so.

Sorry if you think that constitutes heckling.
Posted by: St. Margaret Atheling Queen of Scotland, aka tcn in AK at September 21, 2015 06:59 PM (+YMhA)

So far all I hear is "I don't like Trump"?

Who are you for? Who is making a Conservative Case for Support?

At this point your anti-Trump tirade sounds alot like a Democrat. How do I know your a Conservative, since you are so eager to attack Trumps credentials, which by the fact I have not really defended.

I am just sick and tired of RINOs attacking Trump and by extension the base, without offering anything other than more appeasement and squish!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 07:03 PM (gf8BH)

189 Well, NGU, looks like you're a trump supporter now. I'll update the Style Guide.

That's karma for the Rand comment.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 07:03 PM (AkOaV)

190 I guess not.

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/selection-du-weekend-158-30.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2015 07:04 PM (HiC8z)

191 He tells them, "I sprained it three times in Afghanistan. It causes me constant pain."

The VA: Well, here. Put this thing on your knee and wear it for a while. You'll feel better.

Not even a cortisone shot? That shit is marvelous, but bad for you if you do it all the time.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 07:04 PM (rwI+c)

192 Yesssss. Chinese food has just arrived.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 21, 2015 07:04 PM (FsuaD)

193 Also Guy Mohawk, I watched the Jets game last week and even then the Jets spelled Ivory a lot with Powell between the 20s but Ivory returned once they were in the red zone. Could be a similar game plan tonight.

Posted by: logprof at September 21, 2015 07:04 PM (vsbNu)

194
My personal feelings about Muslims aside, what Carson said publicly while running for president was not good. You cannot discriminate like that. It's bad politics in the USA. It does not go over well.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 07:04 PM (zrhpL)

195 Sorry if you think that constitutes heckling.
Posted by: St. Margaret Atheling Queen of Scotland, aka tcn in AK at September 21, 2015 06:59 PM (+YMhA)

I don't think Trump's support comes from the fact that 'he is on our side'. I think it stems from the fact that the people who are 'on our side' haven't been, and aren't on our side.

I'm not on Trump's side, and I don't give half a crap if he is on mine, but I will vote for him in a minute if there is even a billion to one chance that it will send a message to the asshole who are 'on our side'.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 21, 2015 07:04 PM (BZAd3)

196 >>>Do you have any idea who my preference is? Or is this just a drive by heckling?

nevergiveup,

I find that it's aggravating when a person tells me, in the negative, what he doesn't support, instead of saying what he does support.

So like why don't you just say who you support instad of saying you do NOT support trump, and then asking this other fellow if he knows who you support?

Why would he?

And frankly your post does lead to the inference that you support trump, even if you gainsay that. (On that: Is Trump your number 2 or 3? If so, your claim that you don't support him is misleading or even false.)

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 07:04 PM (dciA+)

197 Just because Obama ran as a stealth candidate with vague and/or shifting policies--that does not mean the media will allow a Republican candidate to win using that strategy.

Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 07:04 PM (mcm0N)

198 I am just sick and tired of RINOs attacking Trump and by extension the base, without offering anything other than more appeasement and squish!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 07:03 PM (gf8BH)

Right-O. If we can only kick Kay Hagan out of the Senate, everything will be fine.

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at September 21, 2015 07:04 PM (48QDY)

199 Love you too Jane.

Posted by: jewells45 at September 21, 2015 07:05 PM (/IQip)

200 I am just sick and tired of RINOs attacking Trump and by extension the base, without offering anything other than more appeasement and squish!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 07:03 PM (gf8BH)

I see. I'm a RINO now, and you are sick of me. Sorry for the butthurt. Sorry Ace. Guess politics are not to be discussed with certain folks, and I didn't mean to crap all over the thread.

Thanks, Nevergiveup, for making it clear who can and cannot speak out loud here.

Posted by: St. Margaret Atheling Queen of Scotland, aka tcn in AK at September 21, 2015 07:05 PM (+YMhA)

201 This is not true; this site attacks the GOP all the time, and while I do not know all of your comments, I imagine you do too.

So what can you possibly mean? sounds like selective claim of a "Rule" which is not a rule at all.

Invoking a "rule" only when someone you like is being attacked shows it's not a rule, it's just special pleading
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 07:00 PM (dciA+)

???? A little confused Ace. I am not talking about the "Site". I am talking about some of the other Candidates and the Republican Establishment. So I am a little confused by your statement?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 07:05 PM (gf8BH)

202 And why is Sharia law getting a foothold in Texas and Michigan.

Inquiring minds want to know.
Posted by: navybrat at September 21, 2015 06:55 PM (ETxiG)

1. The inexorable creep of political correctness. The Left, the mainstream culture, is making it personally and politically perilous to critique "diversity"; 2. degraded educations and civic ignorance about our Constitutional framework. 3. the general perfidy and anti-Americanism of the Left that makes any defense of America or the primacy of its values some sign of a latent phobia or ism.

Posted by: rrpjr at September 21, 2015 07:05 PM (s/yC1)

203 >>>I am just sick and tired of RINOs attacking Trump and by extension the base, without offering anything other than more appeasement and squish!

dial it down, Nevergiveup.

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 07:05 PM (dciA+)

204 tcn & NGU -- you guys aren't even arguing over anything if you re-read each others comments.

I think you're both filling in blanks in your mind that wasn't said.

So no need to get all flame war over it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 07:06 PM (AkOaV)

205 The time is right for an unabashed populist/nativist/protectionist to run. Where's our Mussolini?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 07:06 PM (rwI+c)

206 It does not go over well.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 07:04 PM (zrhpL)

The reality for me is that if a muslim was running and had a fair chance of winning, given the world condition, I would feel pretty bad about that. I might even express those feelings more strongly than Carson expressed them.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 21, 2015 07:06 PM (BZAd3)

207 Where's our Mussolini?
Posted by: Grump928(C)

He's hanging around.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at September 21, 2015 07:07 PM (awspb)

208 205 The time is right for an unabashed populist/nativist/protectionist to run. Where's our Mussolini?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 07:06 PM (rwI+c)

Well, I, for one, would love it if the trains ran on time.

Posted by: Joe "Amtrak" Biden at September 21, 2015 07:07 PM (AkOaV)

209 So no need to get all flame war over it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 07:06 PM (AkOaV)

Not to worry. No longer engaged.

Posted by: St. Margaret Atheling Queen of Scotland, aka tcn in AK at September 21, 2015 07:07 PM (+YMhA)

210 And frankly your post does lead to the inference that you support trump, even if you gainsay that. (On that: Is Trump your number 2 or 3? If so, your claim that you don't support him is misleading or even false.)

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 07:04 PM (dciA+)

I have said from the get go I support Cruz Ace. Do I have to put that in my Nick or proceed every statement by Nevergiveup " A Cruz Supporter"?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 07:07 PM (gf8BH)

211 Everyone.. take a deep breath and count to 10. C'mon.. let's not fight amongst ourselves. Save that for when we REALLY need to fight.

Posted by: jewells45 at September 21, 2015 07:08 PM (/IQip)

212 tcn,

i cautioned Nevergiveup as well.

>>>So no need to get all flame war over it.

this is the central thing, both of you can disagree without adding any personal zingers into the mix.

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 07:08 PM (dciA+)

213 Mussolini is wearing a skirt and running er, dominating the other primary.

Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 07:08 PM (mcm0N)

214 It's irritating to see critics of Trump trying to discredit him with conservatives by pointing out that Trump is not conservative, as though conservatives can't see that for themselves.

Then the very same people tell conservatives that we have to support the GOP even though the GOP isn't conservative either.

So conservatives have to support someone who is not conservative but only the correct someone and Trump ain't him.

Posted by: Harcourt Guggenklamber at September 21, 2015 07:08 PM (/YDCS)

215 If I want a maniacal warmonger, Graham has my vote.

He'll scratch your eyes out.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 21, 2015 07:08 PM (oVJmc)

216
Is it safe to post again???

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2015 07:02 PM (HiC8z)

===========================

No. Stay away. Come sit by me. I have cheese. Wisconsin Cheddar, with a nice cold Leinie's.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 07:08 PM (dFi94)

217 No,Biden would not be better than Obama.And he would retire and leave Liz Warren as president.

Posted by: steevy at September 21, 2015 07:08 PM (sPO3u)

218 It's drinking time!

Posted by: MTF at September 21, 2015 07:08 PM (TxJGV)

219

Once again, the communicative powers of the internet are on display.

tcn, NGU didn't say you were a RINO. She's criticizing the establishment for not offering a choice.

That said...

GIRL FIGHT!!! RIP HER SHIRT OFF!!!!

Posted by: imp at September 21, 2015 07:08 PM (XIXZz)

220 >>>I have said from the get go I support Cruz Ace. Do I have to put that in my Nick or proceed every statement by Nevergiveup " A Cruz Supporter"?

do you really imagine the rest of us keep track of who the other 2000 commenters are supporting?

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 07:08 PM (dciA+)

221 Ah the yankee game is on... and memory is short.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 07:09 PM (gf8BH)

222 Hall Monitor!

Posted by: guy who always yells for the hall monitor at September 21, 2015 07:09 PM (wAQA5)

223 The VA: Well, here. Put this thing on your knee and wear it for a while. You'll feel better.

I couldn't hate this administration more.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 21, 2015 07:02 PM (FsuaD)

--I'm surprised the VA guy did not say, "Just put some ice on it."

Posted by: logprof at September 21, 2015 07:09 PM (vsbNu)

224 Mussolini is wearing a skirt and running er, dominating the other primary.

Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 07:08 PM (mcm0N)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ns3soeh

Posted by: The Political Hat at September 21, 2015 07:09 PM (vBeA5)

225 All I know is that the failure of the USA to the world in allowing a guy to possess thought crimes of thinking Obama is a muslim...SMDH.

It's worse than ISIS. worse than Rotherham.

When the US decided to change its immigration laws to be taken over by Muslim Hijrah, it was at the understanding that it's because core US culture is shit and needs to be replaced without question or criticism.

Who cares if the questioner was basically a lost member of the Jerky Boys, a muslim may have been offended. And if a muslim's offended, then we have lost the war on America.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 21, 2015 07:10 PM (ariQ4)

226 Well the last time we elected a muslim a Caliphate rose up in the middle east, so maybe let's not do that again.

Posted by: Lauren at September 21, 2015 07:10 PM (GZ6Pf)

227 Meanwhile, pointing out the deceit in the attacks on Trump makes one a Trump supporter and defender.

Posted by: Harcourt Guggenklamber at September 21, 2015 07:10 PM (/YDCS)

228 No. Stay away. Come sit by me. I have cheese. Wisconsin Cheddar, with a nice cold Leinie's.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets

Got any Spotted Cow in the cooler?

Posted by: Aviator at September 21, 2015 07:10 PM (c7vUv)

229 I find that it's aggravating when a person tells me, in the negative,
what he doesn't support, instead of saying what he does support.

This is why it's becoming more and more difficult to support anyone but Trump.

He has fumbled his way into saying that he is for immigration enforcement, the Second Amendment and fixing the VA. It was messy and confusing but he said it.

What did Walker think of the VA issues? Where is Carly on immigration? Where is Carson on gun control?

The answer is that I don't have a clue and neither does Joe Sixpack.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 21, 2015 07:10 PM (0dcbp)

230 Where's our Mussolini?

Posted by: Grump928(C)

He's hanging around.

At least you can't accuse him of being down at the heels.

Posted by: pep at September 21, 2015 07:10 PM (LAe3v)

231 Hey great news for the Chicago Bears. Jay Cutler is out for two weeks with a hamstring injury.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 21, 2015 07:10 PM (z/Ubi)

232 "Trump's not conservative"

Agreed.
Neither is about 70% of the electorate, from what I gather.

Posted by: navybrat at September 21, 2015 07:10 PM (ETxiG)

233 do you really imagine the rest of us keep track of who the other 2000 commenters are supporting?

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 07:08 PM (dciA+)\

Nope, but the assume game runs both ways. And actually I do kinda have an idea who the regular posters support, but your point is taken. It's been a long day

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 07:11 PM (gf8BH)

234 >>>Meanwhile, pointing out the deceit in the attacks on Trump makes one a Trump supporter and defender.

so much drama

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 07:11 PM (dciA+)

235
Joe Biden would not retire. He might not run for reelection, though. Probably not.

But believe me, nobody will be able to pry Biden's hooks from the presidency once he's got it.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 07:11 PM (zrhpL)

236 Let's think about Jungian archetypes for a minute because I know you all were...

If "H" then you can't have the anti-"H" because it all happened before.

Lazio.

Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 07:11 PM (mcm0N)

237

The real question is what happened in the years since Bill Clinton was interviewed to make Hillary go from gay-phobic to full on sapphic embraces?

Posted by: imp at September 21, 2015 07:11 PM (XIXZz)

238
Everyone.. take a deep breath and count to 10. C'mon.. let's not fight
amongst ourselves. Save that for when we REALLY need to fight.

Posted by: jewells45 at September 21, 2015 07:08 PM (/IQip)
===================

Watch out, Presbyterians. When I get going, I can really throw a punch.Consider yourself warned.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 07:11 PM (dFi94)

239 Ever hear the Subaru commercial with the beat male " when we were pregnant" he says than he mentions how his wife was made all the decisions.But he researched Subaru safety!

Posted by: steevy at September 21, 2015 07:11 PM (sPO3u)

240 do you really imagine the rest of us keep track of who the other 2000 commenters are supporting?
Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 07:08 PM (dciA+)

I've got this.

Posted by: NSA-Dan at September 21, 2015 07:11 PM (0NdlF)

241 I like pie.

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 21, 2015 07:12 PM (8ZskC)

242 Dear People Who Think We're Here For Your Daily Fix of Drama,

You are wrong. We are not here for your drama. We would prefer to engage with you, if at all, on a light, superficial level.

Please stop attempting to interject your need for personal drama into everygoddamnthing.

Thank you,

People who don't need the internet for drama and human emotional exercise

Posted by: ace at September 21, 2015 07:12 PM (dciA+)

243 Over at Legal Insurrection they were doing a poll Cruz or Rubio, I voted hrs ago for Cruz and at the time he was up 85 to 15%

Posted by: skip at September 21, 2015 07:12 PM (7L6zt)

244 Apropos of nothing, did y'all see the story of the guy shooting his girlfriend, baby and the pastor at the church in Alabama?

Small world. That pastor is tangentally related to me.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 07:12 PM (rwI+c)

245 Hey great news for the Chicago Bears. Jay Cutler is out for two weeks with a hamstring injury.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 21, 2015 07:10 PM (z/Ubi)
=====================

Well Crap. Jay Cutler is Green Bay's best friend.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 07:12 PM (dFi94)

246 235 If he serves less than a full term she can run twice.I think that is the price of her being his VP.

Posted by: steevy at September 21, 2015 07:13 PM (sPO3u)

247 Sharp Wisconsin cheddar???

Nom nom nom nom

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2015 07:13 PM (HiC8z)

248
I'm just here for the lulz.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 07:13 PM (zrhpL)

249 But, ngu, I kind of like your suggestion -- we should all put our candidate of choice, what gender we identify as that day, where we fall in the longbow / crossbow debate, and how we feel about tomato paste on hot dogs in our nic.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 07:13 PM (AkOaV)

250 I saw Hillary! on that Alaska show, they were trying to herd her across some mud flats but she got stuck in the quicksand.

Posted by: wth at September 21, 2015 07:14 PM (wAQA5)

251 Cutler may not be the best but he is better than Jimmy Clausen.

Posted by: steevy at September 21, 2015 07:14 PM (sPO3u)

252

Bu.. bu... but ace! Where else do we get "the girl fight"?

You have to have girls around for that, and well, you know the horde....

Posted by: imp at September 21, 2015 07:14 PM (XIXZz)

253
Elizabeth Warren is not ready, nor ever will be, ready for the national stage. Forget about her in the White House.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 07:14 PM (zrhpL)

254 Got any Spotted Cow in the cooler?

Posted by: Aviator at September 21, 2015 07:10 PM (c7vUv)

==================

I save the New Glarus for special occasions. Hmmmm. Mondays might be considered a special occasion .....

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 07:14 PM (dFi94)

255 Dear People Who Think We're Here For Your Daily Fix of Drama,
***
This is why I use twitter to argue with brain-dead millenials.

your use of words is rayciss, btw. bc everythings racist and sexist.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 21, 2015 07:14 PM (ariQ4)

256 "Trump's not conservative"

The BOOOSH name has been America's preferred brand for conservatism for four decades. So when you're shopping for a real conservative, trust a Bush.

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at September 21, 2015 07:15 PM (8ZskC)

257 The real question is what happened in the years since Bill Clinton was interviewed to make Hillary go from gay-phobic to full on sapphic embraces?

Her discomfort was, get this, a lie.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 07:15 PM (rwI+c)

258 But, ngu, I kind of like your suggestion -- we should all put our candidate of choice, what gender we identify as that day, where we fall in the longbow / crossbow debate, and how we feel about tomato paste on hot dogs in our nic.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 07:13 PM (AkOaV)

I like ketchup on my steak ...

Posted by: HereticalMonster at September 21, 2015 07:15 PM (0NdlF)

259 Ha!

Political Hat see you beat me to that analogy.

Posted by: Fatman at September 21, 2015 07:15 PM (mcm0N)

260 253 And Barack Obama was?

Posted by: steevy at September 21, 2015 07:15 PM (sPO3u)

261
242

THREADWINNER!!!!!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 21, 2015 07:15 PM (oVJmc)

262 Small world. That pastor is tangentally related to me.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 07:12 PM (rwI+c)
=================

I heard about it but haven't followed up on it. Is he going to be okay?

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 07:15 PM (dFi94)

263 There.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Cruz is the one at September 21, 2015 07:16 PM (rwI+c)

264 we should all put our candidate of choice, what gender we identify as
that day, where we fall in the longbow / crossbow debate, and how we
feel about tomato paste on hot dogs in our nic.

Ahem.

Posted by: Ginger v Maryanne at September 21, 2015 07:16 PM (LAe3v)

265 The media adoration will paper over any and every gaffe and misstep.

Posted by: steevy at September 21, 2015 07:16 PM (sPO3u)

266 I couldn't care less how much the GOP is strugg-ul-ling!

Posted by: Broadway logprof at September 21, 2015 07:16 PM (vsbNu)

267 "The VA: Well, here. Put this thing on your knee and wear it for a while. You'll feel better."

Ugh, that's awful. I have very not good feelings towards the VA after they let my grandfather develop aspiration pneumonia about 10 times before it finally killed him because they were too lazy to get him out of his bed.

Assholes, the lot of them. They'd have 8 nurses standing around the nurses station chatting while 0 nurses were interacting with patients. Don't go near the VA nursing home in Murfesboro, TN although I doubt the others are any better.

Posted by: Lauren at September 21, 2015 07:16 PM (GZ6Pf)

268 Over at Legal Insurrection they were doing a poll Cruz or Rubio, I voted hrs ago for Cruz and at the time he was up 85 to 15%
Posted by: skip at September 21, 2015 07:12 PM (7L6zt)

The big reason I take not offense at Trump and defend him against many of the attacks on him is that not only is he saying what many of us want to hear ( even if it is from a very flawed candidate) but as a Cruz supporter I hope he is clearing the field for an eventually Cruz surge to the Top. And that is also what I have said from the get go just for the record. Just saying

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 07:16 PM (gf8BH)

269

I like ketchup on my steak ...

Posted by: HereticalMonster

ace! ace! C'mon, now. THAT is opening the door for a personal attack. C'mon!

Posted by: imp at September 21, 2015 07:16 PM (XIXZz)

270 Look I'm fine with beating Hillary too but that doesn't mean I want Biden running.

Elizabeth Warren is not ready, nor ever will be, ready for the national stage.

Frankly I'm amazed she won at the state level.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 21, 2015 07:16 PM (39g3+)

271 But, ngu, I kind of like your suggestion -- we should all put our candidate of choice, what gender we identify as that day, where we fall in the longbow / crossbow debate, and how we feel about tomato paste on hot dogs in our nic.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 07:13 PM (AkOaV)

Don't forget your preferred gender pronouns and your kin-type.

Posted by: The Hat-kin who uses Hat/Hats/Hatself pronouns... at September 21, 2015 07:17 PM (vBeA5)

272 I heard about it but haven't followed up on it. Is he going to be okay?

Stable and expected to recover. It was quite brave for an old man to throw himself down from the pulpit onto the shooter.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Cruz is the one at September 21, 2015 07:17 PM (rwI+c)

273 Someone posted something about some guy named Brecht, Becht, something and I had to look it up. He was a playwright and studied drama, and I marveled at that. One has to study drama?

Drama I can do. Ya want some?

Posted by: Harcourt Guggenklamber at September 21, 2015 07:17 PM (/YDCS)

274 How to solve the gender pronoun controversy?

Everyone gets called "it"

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2015 07:18 PM (HiC8z)

275 I'm on team Cruz, but that PP ad Carly just released has me seriously considering her.

Posted by: Lauren-Team Cruz at September 21, 2015 07:18 PM (bYGAR)

276
Joe Biden would not retire....believe me, nobody will be able to pry Biden's hooks from the presidency once he's got it.
Posted by: Soothsayer

If his brain explodes again, as is wont, not his choice. Dead or removed via the 25th Amendment.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 21, 2015 07:18 PM (kdS6q)

277 How to solve the gender pronoun controversy?

Everyone gets called "it"
Posted by: Anna Puma

We are not amused.

Posted by: Victoria R at September 21, 2015 07:19 PM (awspb)

278 I like ketchup on my steak ...
Posted by: HereticalMonster at September 21, 2015 07:15 PM (0NdlF)

types...

...deletes...

types....

::head explodes::

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 21, 2015 07:19 PM (AkOaV)

279 Stable and expected to recover. It was quite brave for an old man to throw himself down from the pulpit onto the shooter.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Cruz is the one at September 21, 2015 07:17 PM (rwI+c)
==========================

Wow. God bless him. Next time he preaches on "Greater love hath no man than this..." , I sure bet his congregation will listen up.

Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at September 21, 2015 07:19 PM (dFi94)

280 274 How to solve the gender pronoun controversy?
Everyone gets called "it"
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 21, 2015 07:18 PM (HiC8z)

It rubs the lotion on its skin ...

Posted by: Buffalo Bill at September 21, 2015 07:19 PM (0NdlF)

281 Frankly I'm amazed she won at the state level.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor

And I'm astounded that Barack Obama was elected, twice. My amazement is not an argument that it can't happen. Elizabeth Warren could be the nominee. It's unlikely but possible.

Posted by: pep at September 21, 2015 07:19 PM (LAe3v)

282 Bottom line for me:

People want - are wishing for, maybe hoping for someone who can fix the pickle we and the world find ourselves in.

This folks could be an analogue to a discussion about religion, because it is going to take a lot of faith - whatever that actually is - to believe that someone - an elected official - at this point in our history - is capable of fixing the fix that we are in.

Somebody might fix it. Several somebodies might fix it. But it won't be an elected official. The only thing that is going to fix what ails us now is a totally paradigm shifting new technology.

That, or a big ass war.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 21, 2015 07:20 PM (BZAd3)

283 "At least you can't accuse him of being down at the heels."

That story has a lot of holes in it.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Evil SoCon at September 21, 2015 07:20 PM (dOD0J)

284 Guy arrested for throwing his daughter off a cliff to avoid child support.

Well, you gotta respect the linear thinking involved, even if he's an insane monster.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 21, 2015 07:20 PM (39g3+)

285 I like ketchup on my steak ...

Catsup and mayo is legal on a steak sandwich in 10 of the 13 states of the Old Confederacy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Cruz is the one at September 21, 2015 07:20 PM (rwI+c)

286 Okay, updated it. All info is subject to change.

Posted by: mynewhandle, Rand / SMOD, male, long bow, no ketchup on hotdogs, maryann, "xe, xim" at September 21, 2015 07:21 PM (AkOaV)

287 Yes, I was a plant.

Posted by: Robert Plant at September 21, 2015 07:21 PM (W5DcG)

288

Happened in RPV down in LA, right?

Posted by: imp at September 21, 2015 07:21 PM (XIXZz)

289 "Guy arrested for throwing his daughter off a cliff to avoid child support. "

Simple solution. Throw him off the same cliff and drive away.

Posted by: Lauren-Team Cruz at September 21, 2015 07:21 PM (bYGAR)

290 A good steak requires Worcestershire sauce.

Posted by: Harcourt Guggenklamber at September 21, 2015 07:21 PM (/YDCS)

291 The only thing I put on a hot dog is ketchup...

Posted by: donna at September 21, 2015 07:22 PM (hUdMz)

292 This whole place just got more complicated....

Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs,He, him.Ginger. Crossbow. Confederacy. No Catsup. Brunettes primarily. TRUMP!. Yuen at September 21, 2015 07:22 PM (bA+CL)

293 291 The only thing I put on a hot dog is ketchup...
Posted by: donna at September 21, 2015 07:22 PM (hUdMz)

If I had the ban hammer, that would be a bannable offense. Just an FYI.

Posted by: mynewhandle, Rand / SMOD, male, long bow, no ketchup on hotdogs, maryann, at September 21, 2015 07:22 PM (AkOaV)

294

Where did the "in a pickle" phrase come from? It doesn't even make sense.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 07:22 PM (zrhpL)

295 The only thing I put on a hot dog is ketchup...

*gasp*

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Cruz is the one at September 21, 2015 07:22 PM (rwI+c)

296 Late comment: I never would have guessed Walker would have dropped out before Trump two months ago.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 21, 2015 07:22 PM (PcOiY)

297 This folks could be an analogue to a discussion about religion, because it is going to take a lot of faith - whatever that actually is - to believe that someone - an elected official - at this point in our history - is capable of fixing the fix that we are in.

People are looking for a man-God to save the world.

Political movements are piss-poor religion.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 21, 2015 07:22 PM (0NdlF)

298 Small world. That pastor is tangentally related to me.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 21, 2015 07:12 PM (rwI+c)

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 21, 2015 07:22 PM (0O7c5)

299

He's in a pickle.

We're in such a pickle!

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 07:23 PM (zrhpL)

300 I don't think the guy who asked Trump the question was a plant. I saw something in Drudge recently saying about 21% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim. Trump's supporters could include at least that percentage, and maybe more.

Posted by: despair at September 21, 2015 07:23 PM (VrdxH)

301 YAAAAAAARRRRRRR!!!

I want my own personal Gotterdammerung!

Or a beer.

Either or.

Here's a pretty good take on Fear the Walking Dead:

http://journal.ijreview.com/2015/09/248097-the-

actors-on-fear-the-walking-dead-exemplify-everything-

thats-wrong-with-liberalism

(remove extra spaces)

It's like the creative team for FTWD decided -

they couldn't get enough of the lamest, most situationally retarded, most annoying, libtardedest character in The Walking Dead.

Yes, that's right. They couldn't get enough of that sweet sweet Dale action, so-

they made a whole series where every character is Dale.

And when the heck will Druggy McAddict take the Long Nap?

Enough with his spectacularly lame ass already.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 21, 2015 07:23 PM (0cMkb)

302 walker dropping out is so perplexing. WTF is wrong with the GOP process?

this basically means jeb/trump.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 21, 2015 07:23 PM (ariQ4)

303 Fix the pickle.

Posted by: Nu Urban terminology at September 21, 2015 07:23 PM (W5DcG)

304 Ok I think I got everything

Posted by: Lauren-Team Cruz, ma'am, crossbow, TEXAS, mustard, Gonzales Flag at September 21, 2015 07:23 PM (bYGAR)

305 Fix the pickle.

Be the pickle...

Posted by: donna at September 21, 2015 07:24 PM (hUdMz)

306 163 >>>As you may remember, the lyrics of "Don't Fear the Reaper" are about a boy who is committing suicide, and he is pleading with his girlfriend to commit suicide with him, so they can be together in death.

(Blue Oyster Cult has consistently denied this, but c'mon, the lyrics speak for themselves.)

...

gee i wish there were some authoritative source to resolve this question

http://podcast.aoshq.com/2015/07/24/buck-dharma/

182 i didn't mean to "bust" zombie, I just thought it was amusing that we have that podcast to rebut this old myth.

Posted by: ace

Admittedly, I hadn't listened to that podcast, so I don't know what's in it. But I do know that since the '70s, Buck Dharma has said over and over that the song, while indeed being about "having no fear of dying," never was intended to be about actively committing suicide.

On one hand: He wrote the song, so he ought to know.

On the other hand:

Ever since the song first hit the Top Ten back in 1976, there was an uproar about it being a "pro-suicide" song, and Blue Oyster Cult necessarily had to go on the defensive and claim it wasn't.

And once you've made that initial claim (that it's NOT about suicide), you have to stick with the narrative consistently, which he has done for nearly 40 years.

But he has a good reason to fudge the facts here, since he couldn't have predicted the song would be a hit, couldn't have predicted that censorious grownups would seize on the song as the archetype of degenerate rock 'n' roll, and he couldn't have predicted that perhaps, just maybe, the publicity might induce some unstable kid to actually kill himself. So, understandably, he tried to walk back the lyrics.

Many people, including myself, read the lyrics and think they're pretty obviously about suicide, and that way back 40 years ago he may very well have intended that as its theme, but has had a completely understandable reason to never fess up to that.

Mind you, I LOVE the song, and don't care whether or not the songwriter had this or this intention when writing it. It's still a masterpiece.

You talked to him in person, and are obviously a fan, so it's understandable that you accept his claim. And I concede that I haven't heard the podcast, so I don't know how convincing it is.

I will say, however, that WHETHER OR NOT he was thinking of suicide when he wrote it, it is generally perceived by the public as a song encouraging suicide even if that never was the songwriter's intent.

The narrative has run away and escaped, and can't be corralled

Posted by: zombie at September 21, 2015 07:24 PM (jBuUi)

307 I don't think the guy who asked Trump the question was a plant. I saw something in Drudge recently saying about 21% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim. Trump's supporters could include at least that percentage, and maybe more.
***
it's not that he believed it, it's how he acted. He acted like the image of republicans that lives in every liberal psychopath's head.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 21, 2015 07:24 PM (ariQ4)

308
Be the pickle...

Ah, Chevy Chase in Caddyshack...

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at September 21, 2015 07:25 PM (zrhpL)

309 307 I thought the same thing.The tone of his voice struck me as a Colbert caricature of a their idea of a conservative.

Posted by: steevy at September 21, 2015 07:25 PM (sPO3u)

310 Noob

Posted by: CSMBigBird at September 21, 2015 07:26 PM (xInes)

311 I thought the same thing.The tone of his voice struck me as a Colbert caricature of a their idea of a conservative.
***
a window to their soul

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 21, 2015 07:26 PM (ariQ4)

312 Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 07:16 PM (gf8BH)

We should sit down and have a beer.

Go down the list.
Jeb? Ha!
Rubio? Boehner and McConnell would love him.
Huck? Ha.
Christie? Ugh.
Paul? Looney toons.
Carson? Soft.
Carly? See my nic.
Walker? Gone
Cruz. Knows his shite. Don't get why people don't like his looks or demeanor. My favorite.

Trump is the thin line between a Jeb/Rubio establishment weasel.

For now. Go Trump.

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at September 21, 2015 07:27 PM (48QDY)

313 A cleverly invented clock nood.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 21, 2015 07:27 PM (0NdlF)

314
I love angry ace - when he's b-slapping some trollish potty-mouthed sort. This time seems more like hyper-sensitive ace, taking a somewhat confused clash of regulars for something more serious. But it's great to have ace in the comments, whichever mode is switched on.

As to Trump, someone just above and others (incl. myself) on many previous occasions mentioned that our highest hopes for Trump were to damage/take out Yeb! and perhaps Rubio while also placing mass illegal migration center-stage where it couldn't be ignored without political consequences. Sure, pretty ambitious little wish-list there, but .....

Anyway Walker's early demise leaves one less guy for whom Trump might "clear the field". With Jindal still invisible, we're left with just Cruz.

So does anyone want to step up and put meat on the contentious bones of Walker's departure statement, the part about candidates offering a positive message? What "positive message" - that's remotely valuable or plausible, and not low-grade LIV fluff- is being offered by any of the candidates not currently the front-runner?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 21, 2015 07:27 PM (QDnY+)

315 The FBI refused to cooperate Monday with a court ordered inquiry into former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clintons email server, telling the State Department that they wont even confirm they are investigating the matter themselves, much less willing to tell the rest of the government whats going on.

????

Why?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 07:28 PM (gf8BH)

316 Also, pickles belong on hamburgers, and relish goes on hot dogs. Not vice versa.

Posted by: rickl at September 21, 2015 07:28 PM (sdi6R)

317 They also thought Ozzie Osbourne's " Suicide Solution" was about suicide when it is about killing yourself with alcoholism not the intentional kind.

Posted by: steevy at September 21, 2015 07:28 PM (sPO3u)

318
Without ketchup we all would have starved. Mom made her meatloaf twice a week. Meatloaf night, meatloaf sandwiches...

Posted by: wth at September 21, 2015 07:28 PM (wAQA5)

319 A good steak just needs some salt and pepper before cooking. If you think it needs more than that, you cooked it wrong or it wasn't a good steak.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 21, 2015 07:29 PM (Ii765)

320 Just an FYI and all that but I read on a conservative site that Fiorina is for the Dream Act and supported the gang of 8. So...she's off the list.

Posted by: jewells45 at September 21, 2015 07:29 PM (/IQip)

321 Hi Lauren
I have bad news, I managed to screw up your 10-year-old's recipe

Posted by: chemjeff at September 21, 2015 07:29 PM (uZNvH)

322 Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at September 21, 2015 07:27 PM (48QDY)

Sure. Any time

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 07:30 PM (gf8BH)

323 Elizabeth Warren could be the nominee. It's unlikely but possible.

Sure. Joe Biden got, what, 5% of the vote at his best in any primary election for president? But he could win, in the modern electoral climate, with the way things are rigged. Its insane.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 21, 2015 07:30 PM (39g3+)

324 The narrative has run away and escaped, and can't be corralled
Posted by: zombie at September 21, 2015 07:24 PM (jBuUi)

--The Beatles denied it for years, but eventually they (well, Paul did) fessed up and said "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds" and "Day Tripper" --get this!-- actually were about drugs. Maybe BD will relent one day.

Posted by: logprof at September 21, 2015 07:31 PM (vsbNu)

325 We got here because when things were bad, politicians told us they could fix them, and we believed them, even after the myriads of times they didn't fix things. And when things were good, they told us that they would make things better, and we believed them even after they didn't.

And now, we have helped condition ourselves into thinking that government can, and should, do everything. That they should have their mitts in everything, and that will make everything better, even when the vast truth is that it makes things invariably worse.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 21, 2015 07:31 PM (BZAd3)

326 nood, he, xe, she, and its.

Posted by: mynewhandle, Rand / SMOD, male, long bow, no ketchup on hotdogs, maryann, at September 21, 2015 07:32 PM (AkOaV)

327 Paul? Looney toons.

Meh, so's Trump. Less entertaining, I'll give you but one loon is the same as another.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 21, 2015 07:32 PM (39g3+)

328 Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 21, 2015 07:30 PM (gf8BH)

BTW. My Guardsman - back in #twoweeks.

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at September 21, 2015 07:33 PM (48QDY)

329 URL check?

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at September 21, 2015 07:33 PM (48QDY)

330 Ha. It worked.

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at September 21, 2015 07:34 PM (48QDY)

331 "Still don't see how you place Trump on Our Side. At what point has he advanced anything that attaches to conservatism, or made any substantial statement that he even remotely interested in anything besides The Donald?"

This is completely wrong. First of all, he's submitted two papers on his stances regarding illegal immigration/border security and the 2nd Amendment/gun issues.

He's spoken many times about religious freedom and the 1st amendment.

On all three of those topics he has a conservative position. He's planning to release more papers with his stances on other topics like taxes.

Unlike other candidates, he's actually signed his name to positions and planks of his candidacy with more to come.

He's held the same positions for years as witnessed in his past books and in interviews in clips as old as twenty to thirty years.

He speaks daily. Stop acting like he's an unknown or unknowable because that's completely untrue.

Posted by: Brad Dayspring at September 21, 2015 07:34 PM (uzr54)

332 Off Brad Dayspring sock

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at September 21, 2015 07:36 PM (uzr54)

333 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 21, 2015 07:32 PM (39g3+)

I'll give you that. Just don't like Rand. How bout that?

During the debate he was all about busting some Syrian ass or something. 10 minutes later he was all isolationist.

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at September 21, 2015 07:36 PM (48QDY)

334 They are all loony toons. Next iteration won't depend on one guy calling the shots. Forth turning and all that.

Posted by: untrue believer at September 21, 2015 07:45 PM (PGh+Q)

335 All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Health Choice
Clinic think this is a good thing that the racist Governor of Milwaulkee has dropped out of the race for Presdentr. Walker lied about our Presdent of Color and hates persons of color because he learned that from Bush who lied and did not like persons of color from all the way back when Bush was governoror of Texass and his daddy also did not like persons of color because he fired Cooleen powell when he was secratory of the state thing after 911 occurred back in 2012.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at September 21, 2015 07:53 PM (EIFYf)

336 Trump is a populist. He is also an old man. If elected older than Reagan. (That isn't being pointed out because Democrats are old.) What else can he do? Also what might he propose? NWO doesn't want to chance it. If G.H.W. Bush passes away any time soon then Trump wins. Based on belief GHWB wouldn't want to see Trump win. Makes as much sense as the Ariel Sharon prediction by Yitzhak Kaduri.

Posted by: untrue believer at September 21, 2015 07:54 PM (PGh+Q)

337 Remember from "Animal House".

"You ... up. You trusted us."

Posted by: untrue believer at September 21, 2015 07:56 PM (PGh+Q)

338 Saw this nice interview with Trump yesterday:

http://on.wsj.com/1YwP5Mn

I'm posting it because they talk about the size of his organization. I think one of the problems for our candidates is that they blow their money on a big organization with lots of consultants. Having a small organization and adding to it piece by piece seems to be a smart way to go.

Posted by: notsothoreau at September 21, 2015 08:06 PM (5HBd1)

339 Elizabeth Warren could be the nominee. It's unlikely but possible.
Posted by: pep at September 21, 2015 07:19 PM (LAe3v)

Think RFK's late surge in 1968. Sanders and Hillary is a conflict with only havoc as an end. Brokered convention -- Warren as its result.

Posted by: rrpjr at September 21, 2015 08:42 PM (s/yC1)

340 Trump and Carson both will get a bump out of this and Dr. Charles Krauthammer will leave pathology and return to psychiatry.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at September 21, 2015 09:50 PM (pq97T)

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