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If I have this right:

We needed to quadruple the number of H2B visas because we needed far more nonagricultural, low-skill, low-wage workers coming into the country. H2B visas are granted for jobs like "amusement park worker."

As you know, amusement park workers, at, for example, large corporations like Disney, have been absolutely Raping their poor corporate paymasters with their insolent insistence that they be paid a dollar fifty more than minimum wage.

We need to import foreign workers to get that number down to a more acceptable dollar over minimum wage.

This makes our corporations More Globally Competitive (TM).

Now, the various American workers displaced by the foreign ones will go, of course, on welfare (after their unemployment insurance runs out, of course). Those costs will be borne by you, the American taxpayer.

Not only will those costs be borne by you, but so will all the knock-on costs. People stripped of their work are also stripped of their dignity. Work is a tangible connection, reinforced every hour of every day of every week, between present labor and good habits and future gain.

When you take away a man's job, you also take away his daily reminder that good habits, industriousness, virtue, self-restraint, etc. in the current moment will make him wealthier in future moments.

When you take away a man's job, then, you turn him on a path of social pathology. No longer does he have tangible unmissable daily lesson in the direct connection between actions taken in the moment and results which are born in the future. Now he lives his life day by day, welfare check to welfare check, morally adrift, the vital connective tissue of today to tomorrow severed and cauterized.

Thus, taking a man or woman who is gainfully employed and putting him or her on welfare not only imposes direct costs on society -- we now all have to pay to put bread in this person's mouth, when, previously, this person was putting the bread in his or her own mouth -- but we now see that person descend into a spiral of anti-social and criminal tendencies.

Drug use, unprotected sex resulting in either little-cared-for children or abortions, petty crime, major crime.

We pay, as a society, for all those fresh costs too.

However, we must always keep firmly in mind the only thing that matters: The Disney Corporation will get to pay foreign replacement workers fifty cents an hour less than the previous American worker holding that job, and that pays dividends down the road.

And when I say "dividends," I do not mean that metaphorically. I mean Disney will be able to pay its stockholders a trivial amount of excess dividends for having replaced an American worker with a foreign one.

And remember, we all share in those profits -- metaphorically. I do not mean we share in those profits literally, as Disney and its stockholders will capture all the tiny amount of surplus profit from the displacement of the American worker.

But I mean we will metaphorically share in Disney's bounty, somehow.

See, it makes us More Globally Competitive (TM), somehow.

True, we are reducing Disney's costs, which makes them More Globally Competitive (TM) only by shifting those costs to ourselves, as well as additional avoidable costs such as the social costs of criminality and anti-social behavior by people who have been deprived of the dignifying habit of gainful work, but Disney corporate officers donate to Republican office-holders.

They vote against them like their moral lives depended on it, and they attack then in their movies and thus move the culture ever further to the left, but they donate to Republican office-holders.

And that makes us More Globally Competitive (TM) as well.

See, it's not a question of whether people will be hurt by this. They will. We know that.

It's a question of who will be hurt by this, or, more accurately, whether such Insignificant Persons even matter at all.

The people hurt by this will be, firstly, The Poors, who, as you know, apparently all Republicans despise and wish to punish for the offense of their mere existence.

I mean, that's why I signed up for this party -- didn't you?

We despise the working class, especially those of us who came out of it-- after all, those who know these shabby degenerates the best know how vital it is to put them out of our collective misery.

The other people hurt by this will be taxpaying everyday Middle Class people, who, while not to be despised and hounded from their tumbledown shacks like The Poors, are also without any real use for society beyond their endless capacity to be farmed for their tax dollars.

The benefit accrued to Disney will have a cost attached to it, but that cost will not fall upon Disney; no, that cost will fall upon the unfashionable and square Middle Class.

They are good sheep, with thick flocky wool, and they can be endlessly shorn for it, right down to their skin until they bleed from all the nicking of the knives.

And in this way, the GOP endears itself to the public, and makes itself More Politically Competitive (TM). After all, if you're waging war against The Poors, which is apparently some kind of sport in some quarters, and then ravishing the Middle Class for the costs incurred when you turned The Poors out from their jobs and on to the welfare rolls, you are also increasing your popularity with two key groups:

1. H2B foreign visa holders who can't vote, at least not legally, and if they could vote, would vote for Democrats, and

2. Disney executives who would rather give themselves papercuts on their eyes than vote Republicans. See, voting Democrat, in favor of The Common Man, is the penance they perform to extirpate the sin of having gulled Republicans into letting them put The Common Man out of work in the first place.

So you see, this is just a wonderful party, and the GOP Consultant Class (TM) is first rate, really. A real crew of genuine big thinkers.

Take your Founding Fathers, your Ancient philosophers, your Princeton physics department -- take all those and piss on them, because the real geniuses are the GOP Consultant Class and the GOP Establishment, which are doing their level best to turn America into the hellish dystopia of the ultrarich and animal-existence poor which is so frequently used as a propaganda device against the GOP in futuristic fantasies made by, get this, movie studios like Disney.

We'll make our poor people poorer, and our Middle Class poorer, all to give Disney a 25 cent boost on the stock market, and import more non-Americans to replace American workers. (And eventually, when those non-Americans get comfortable and begin demanding American-style wages - we'll have to import fresh non-Americans to replace them.)

This is the Republican Way of Doing Business, and if you have a problem with any of this, you're a goddamned extremist and racist who should be shat upon.

And somehow, somehow, after fucking over every working class and Middle Class voter in America, the GOP predicts... it will somehow pick up a Senate seat here or there, and then we'll get Supreme Court justices.

And we'll need them -- because at this pace, we'd be lucky to win a political contest for dog catcher. Apparently our gameplan is to alienate every single American worker so that our only hope is an extralegal court of unelected, lifetime tenure superlegislators.

So drink up! This is the Golden Age of Republican Incompetency and Corruption.

There have been previous high points of Republican incompetency and corruption -- but this age is truly one of miracles and wonders.

Oh: To be fair, the GOP sold out everyone to get the one big thing we desperately needed: the right of oil companies to sell their oil for slightly higher prices on the foreign spot market.

So, as you can see, it was all totally worth it.

We're More Globally Competitive (TM) now.

Once we're all receiving our gruel rations in government welfare camps, we'll be even More Globally Competitive (TM).

Posted by: Ace at 02:58 PM




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1 Republicans, what is the point of you?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at December 17, 2015 03:00 PM (evdj2)

2

1st

Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 17, 2015 03:00 PM (OiFtZ)

3 Poetry Ace, sad poetry, but poetry nonetheless!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 17, 2015 03:00 PM (ftVQq)

4 Dumber than a box of rocks, these experts on importing {s]povertyworkers.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 17, 2015 03:00 PM (kXoT0)

5 Like Han, I always shoot first.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at December 17, 2015 03:00 PM (evdj2)

6 I don't know, though, ace -- I kind of liked the movie.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 17, 2015 03:01 PM (AkOaV)

7 I wrote this morning that Trump can sew it all up if he starts attacking Ryan/McConnell about this.

Pat Caddell makes this point over at Breitbart, amidst a broader article about how we are closer than ever to another revolution.

And Rush ended the show advising Trump to talk about the budget like he did Amnesty.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 17, 2015 03:01 PM (uhkms)

8 HILLARY!

Crist god almighty....

Posted by: torabora at December 17, 2015 03:01 PM (9HWk9)

9 sheesh,

importing poverty workers

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 17, 2015 03:01 PM (kXoT0)

10 Now we know what took Ace so long.

He had to finish watching the movie.

Posted by: Garrett at December 17, 2015 03:01 PM (SG2QZ)

11 also, ace I believe the word you are looking for is "borne".

(back to the content)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 17, 2015 03:02 PM (AkOaV)

12 Democrats (and now Republicans) love the poor. That's why they make so many of them.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at December 17, 2015 03:02 PM (evdj2)

13 Good article.
Okay I admit I skimmed it, I will read it after this post.
I had a friend point this out to me: the fact that we "need" to bring in foreign workers to do low-skill jobs is the most succinct way to demonstrate that there's something wrong with welfare.

Posted by: fb at December 17, 2015 03:02 PM (JVEmw)

14 They just said there are no credible threats...batten down the hatches, lock and load.

Posted by: torabora at December 17, 2015 03:02 PM (9HWk9)

15 Praise Ace.

Nailed it.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 03:02 PM (xuouz)

16 I once that that my ability to hate "fellow" Americans had reached a peak and could not get any more intense.

Boy oh boy, did I ever underestimate the GOP/Dem DC Uniparty Establishment Cartel's ability to fan the flames of my hatred.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 17, 2015 03:03 PM (ftVQq)

17 LiFB

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at December 17, 2015 03:03 PM (evdj2)

18
This Is Who We R

Posted by: 27,000 Generals and Admwirals Who Support Jeb at December 17, 2015 03:03 PM (0mIvL)

19
A commenters elsewhere made a comment on the second round of the French elections, where the conservative and socialist parties allied to freeze out the National Front, even through the NR was on top in the first round:

"We have two major parties. The blue one is the fiscally liberal right, who want more immigrants in so wages stay low, housing high and there is not too much syndicalism. The pink one are the socialists, that for some reason want the exact same thing than the right but also take your money so they can buy votes with welfare.They united so the FN could not get any power."

Seem -- familiar?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 03:03 PM (kdS6q)

20 I'm glad I'm an independent, officially.
Eff the GOP E. It's killing itself off.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:03 PM (sj3Ax)

21 Because paying that extra money makes Disney not globally competitive which forces people who would otherwise go to Disneyland this weekend book roundtrips to Japan to watch sumo wrestling.

Posted by: OCBill at December 17, 2015 03:04 PM (28w9k)

22 Cool beard, Paul!

Posted by: Emperor Clusterfuck I at December 17, 2015 03:05 PM (YFFpo)

23 Just think of all the crime that will come to the greater Orlando area, thereby stimulating the economy by creating the need for more police officers, which means more jobs!

Posted by: Speaker Paul Ryan at December 17, 2015 03:05 PM (LYCUN)

24 Paul Ryan is out there saying its a good deal.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:05 PM (sj3Ax)

25 We can import poverty, but not South American mahogany.

Posted by: Garrett at December 17, 2015 03:06 PM (SG2QZ)

26 Tell us how you really feel ace.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 17, 2015 03:06 PM (Po0i2)

27 But most importantly, is Ace and/or the AoSHQ "Globally Competitive"?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 17, 2015 03:06 PM (gW5Vg)

28 So drink up!

ace, some of us are at work!

Maybe I should shut off the computer during the Christmas season...

Posted by: Lea at December 17, 2015 03:06 PM (lIU4e)

29 Plus we also get to pay for the unemployed's heath care so we got that going for us as well.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 17, 2015 03:07 PM (TJCSB)

30 Thanks ace.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 03:07 PM (xuouz)

31 Anyone who has worked in IT in any capacity has run into the joy of working with H1B visa holders or an outsourcing firm. It SUCKS. Google/Facebook/Microsoft/Apple/etc they scarf up the creme of those folks and everyone else gets the dregs--no language skills, no project skills, and very thin computer skills.

One of my past employers called for volunteers to go to India and work with the new outsourcing team, so one of our guys said he'd go. It was all going good, then they extended his stay, and his prescription medication he was taking to keep from getting sick ran out and he got deathly ill, almost died-two weeks in the hospital there just to get him well enough to travel and then two weeks in the hospital here.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 17, 2015 03:07 PM (kXoT0)

32
House Republicans are rallying around the $680 billion tax-break package, and several senior GOP aides say close to 200 of their lawmakers could vote to approve the tax bill, with enough Democrats joining them to comfortably pass the measure.

And while House Democrats aren't pleased that a decades-long ban on oil exports will be lifted as part of the spending deal, more than 100 of them are likely to vote for it. On the other side, GOP aides said upwards of 100 of their members could also vote yes on the spending part of the deal.

http://politi.co/1Zc4ml6


The New Era of Good Feelings(tm)

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 03:07 PM (kdS6q)

33 >>>1 also, ace I believe the word you are looking for is "borne".

i had it as "borne" but then I changed it to born!


Posted by: ace at December 17, 2015 03:07 PM (dciA+)

34 re H2B visas:

I knew a Russian couple who came to the US on them. Worked for a really upscale hotel in Colorado.

The reason they do that is to a) travel America (which is cool) but b) (and b is a lot more important) to learn english and get their metaphorical "foot in the door" to come back (like my associates did) on H1B visas or other visas to eventually get green cards.

Because if you're in Russia, say, and you hear a US company is hiring -- you've got the job if you can say you lived and worked in the US for a year. Then you leverage that to come to the US.

Now, throughout that whole cycle you make a lot less money then an American citizen would. Until you get a green card, then you're golden.

It also displaces a ton of American workers, and other deserving Russians (in my example) who may be smarter, more qualified, etc., but who didn't "play the game" by getting that foot in the door working for a resort as a groundskeeper when they were 20.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 17, 2015 03:07 PM (AkOaV)

35 They're fully funding DACA too!

Eff U Paul Ryan!

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:07 PM (sj3Ax)

36 As it gets to the point were 49% are getting handouts from the government there are still jobs needed to be filled so outside workers are the only option. Well not the only option the other would be stop giving handouts forcing people to get jobs that they may not prefer but it won't kill them to do it.

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2015 03:08 PM (k0xxN)

37 Well, when you put it like that--I'm writing a big fucking check to the GOP right now!

(And Rinsed Penis just sent me another fucking solicitation email "Why aren't you a Democrat? You know, at this point, I don't fucking know. ALL of their policy positions get advanced and I'd get NO fucking grief for supporting them from the popular culture. I mean, outside of my morals and actually wanting to keep the money I fucking earn--there's not one damned reason for me to NOT be a Democrat.)

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 17, 2015 03:08 PM (fQ/0p)

38 Paul Ryan is out there saying its a good deal.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:05 PM (sj3Ax)

For Him it is. It means longer weekends away from dee cee and smile on his face when those campaign contributions from diz-nee start rolling in.

Posted by: Tim in Illinios Old and Unimproved but reduced in Price. at December 17, 2015 03:08 PM (WVsWD)

39
i had it as "borne" but then I changed it to born!


Posted by: ace at December 17, 2015 03:07 PM (dciA+)

happens to me all the time when I'm watching jeopardy! and yelling at the TV.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 17, 2015 03:08 PM (AkOaV)

40 I mean, that's why I signed up for this party -- didn't you?
- ace


Nope. Been a registered voter for 30 years. Never assigned to a party.
Granted, I have only voted for one D in my life, and that was a local election, but I have never identified as a R. Never will.
ESPECIALLY after the last few years.

That said, great breakdown, man. There is a reason we keep coming back here, and this post is a perfect example.
This, and the puppy videos. Puppy videos always make things better.

Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 17, 2015 03:08 PM (zcyux)

41 Boss Mouse don't like lippy Ewoks now that he owns them all.

Nice little Moon of Endor you got here, Mr. O'Spades; be a shame if anything happened to it.

If you get my drift.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Happy Hysteria-days from teh Outrage Outlet! at December 17, 2015 03:09 PM (hLRSq)

42 Damn, now I'm going to have to wait to watch the new Star Wars movie until I can pirate it.

Posted by: Dogbert at December 17, 2015 03:09 PM (DE7CU)

43 Yes, the GOPe and DEMe are sellouts to the American people and could care less about the country. What really pisses me off is they knew about this bullshit bill for months.

Posted by: dufuss at December 17, 2015 03:09 PM (CIoyl)

44 And people are shocked (shocked!) that Trump is so popular...

Posted by: Armando at December 17, 2015 03:09 PM (FwRqg)

45 Excellent post, Ace!!

Re: "The benefit accrued to Disney will have a cost attached to it, but that
cost will not fall upon Disney; no, that cost will fall upon the
unfashionable and square Middle Class."


The middle class who is making Disney so dang rich at the moment off of their Star Wars merchandising juggernaut.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2015 03:09 PM (NOIQH)

46 Here's hoping Trump's next platform has something to do with putting Congress in prison on charges of treason.

Posted by: Lord Gulgoth at December 17, 2015 03:09 PM (bWvOd)

47 damn

Posted by: brak at December 17, 2015 03:10 PM (xwPSp)

48 Paul Ryan is out there saying its a good deal.

-
A few months ago I argued that we should give Ryan a chance. Well now he's had his chance. Ryan, you ratfvck weasel.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 17, 2015 03:10 PM (MYRZx)

49 Not to sound like an asshole or anything, but if your skills are limited to pushing a button that starts an amusement park ride, you don't have much leverage. Depending on politicians to insulate you from incompetence and lack of ambition doesn't work very well. Isn't this why houses in Detroit sell for $20?

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2015 03:10 PM (1RNgT)

50

So, obama, on his way to Hawaii on the taxpayers' plane, stops by San Bern where he allowed a terrorist attack to happen, and then says not to worry about any more terror attacks and 'smell ya's later.

Do I have that right?

Oh, was Paul Ryan still attached to the end of obama's penis when he told us he's got the terrorists right where he wants them?

Posted by: 27,000 Generals and Admwirals Who Support Jeb at December 17, 2015 03:10 PM (0mIvL)

51 "We needed to quadruple the number of H2B visas"

Isn't that what Cruz wanted before he was against it? Looks like he can change his position to hold the line on H2B visas because he got it already...

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 17, 2015 03:11 PM (ztYE8)

52 The middle class who is making Disney so dang rich at the moment off of their Star Wars merchandising juggernaut.


There are ways around that...

Posted by: The Pirate Bay at December 17, 2015 03:11 PM (FwRqg)

53 So.... Trump?

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 17, 2015 03:11 PM (t06LC)

54 Well said, boss.

Posted by: Some Dope at December 17, 2015 03:11 PM (NZfd0)

55 AOSHQ t-shirts, black

"get this" on the front

With the Mencken quote on the back.

All proceeds to the Little Sisters Bear Rape Survival and Ewok Barrel Awareness fund

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 03:12 PM (xuouz)

56 What would actually make our corporations more globally competitive is to change the Corporate tax rate to 5%.

Posted by: setnaffa at December 17, 2015 03:12 PM (BtRXi)

57 So, Ace, you're saying buy Disney?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 17, 2015 03:12 PM (MYRZx)

58 53 So.... Trump?

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 17, 2015 03:11 PM (t06LC)

*bong rip*

Fuckin yeah dude, what are you

*exhale*

a coward?

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 03:12 PM (xuouz)

59 Borne to Run

Posted by: Bruce Springsteen at December 17, 2015 03:12 PM (SG2QZ)

60
Well, when there is no more middle class to go to disney parks or movies or buy trinkets, their dividends might go away.

But for now, its "import terrrorists for the quarterly bottom line!"

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 17, 2015 03:12 PM (ODxAs)

61 So. Paul Ryan #1 on the congressional just-chuck-em-overboard list?

We have any morons in that district?

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 17, 2015 03:12 PM (ztYE8)

62 What really pisses me off is they knew about this bullshit bill for months.


Posted by: dufuss at December 17, 2015 03:09 PM (CIoyl)

Yes those 2,000+ pages of funding legislation just happened last night!
They are all traitors with their hands deep in the till!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 17, 2015 03:13 PM (ftVQq)

63 OT: Dirtbag Enrique Martinez arrested; in a just world, next step on his way to Gitmo.

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 03:13 PM (mk9aG)

64 Even more brilliant than usual, ace.


Does anyone here believe the Unites States government has the consent of the governed?

Because I don't.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at December 17, 2015 03:13 PM (mf5HN)

65 The Republican Party seems to be one huge in-kind contribution to Donald Trump.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 17, 2015 03:13 PM (TJCSB)

66 A few months ago I argued that we should give Ryan a chance. Well now he's had his chance. Ryan, you ratfvck weasel.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 17, 2015 03:10 PM (MYRZx)

I was pumped when he was nominated for VP in 12.

Now I want to pump his stomach. And then feed it to him. Endlessly, like a congressional human centipede.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 03:13 PM (xuouz)

67 Bbbbut Ace, bbbbbut Ace, if we don't do this the price of a Disney day pass will increase from $110 to $110.05. So it's vital we destroy 100K Americans' lives in order to save that five cents.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:14 PM (0LHZx)

68 Th-th-that's all, folks!

Posted by: Kensington at December 17, 2015 03:14 PM (7Kbxu)

69 And this is why I didn't want Ryan as speaker. Freakin' GOP. So done with these people.

Posted by: Iowa Huckster at December 17, 2015 03:14 PM (oZu3/)

70 If I have this right:

And you do, Ace.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 17, 2015 03:14 PM (LUgeY)

71 OT:
"As many as 1000 migrants have been involved in a plan to storm the Calais entrance to the Channel Tunnel in a bid to reach England, some armed with iron bars and hammers. The A16 road into Calais had to be shut for an hour as police fired tear gas at the crowd to drive them back."
---

Must ban hammers and iron bars!

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 03:14 PM (MbrzC)

72 Ace's rant and this thread are exactly what ISIS wants (tm).

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 17, 2015 03:14 PM (VvKb6)

73 In another Picking of the Nits:
Stock valuations are in decimal, not fractions. This is so the programmed traders can skim off the .001 on all transactions. Trying that on 1/8ths would be noticeable.
Oh boy! I'm only three sheep back! Sidewalls!

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at December 17, 2015 03:14 PM (FtrY1)

74 'Borne of Fire'

Posted by: SLAYER at December 17, 2015 03:14 PM (SG2QZ)

75 Does anyone here believe the Unites States government has the consent of the governed?

Because I don't.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at December 17, 2015 03:13 PM (mf5HN)

They do not, and as such have no authority. None.

Odds on this comment thread being monitored, despite fiance visas NOT being monitored?

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 03:15 PM (xuouz)

76 Does anyone here believe the Unites States government has the consent of the governed?

Because I don't.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at December 17, 2015 03:13 PM (mf5HN)



*points at emphasis*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 17, 2015 03:15 PM (gW5Vg)

77 51 "We needed to quadruple the number of H2B visas"

Isn't that what Cruz wanted before he was against it? Looks like he can change his position to hold the line on H2B visas because he got it already...
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 17, 2015 03:11 PM (ztYE

____

Cruz wanted to quadruple H1B not H2B

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:15 PM (0LHZx)

78 Working. It's not who we are.

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 17, 2015 03:15 PM (3U4+k)

79 >>"We needed to quadruple the number of H2B visas"



In the age of Obama, you always have to multiply the numbers quoted. SO I'm guessing that's a low-ball?

Kinda like how Obama said we would be taking in "10,000" Syrians, and then -- get this! -- turns out we've already taken in 103,000 since 2012.



Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2015 03:15 PM (NOIQH)

80 @64 Not only NO but F#ck NO!!

Posted by: dufuss at December 17, 2015 03:15 PM (CIoyl)

81 seriously, this is the kind of thing that almost leaves me speechless. It's like they really want Trump to be the nominee so they can quietly support Hillery and continue to be the people in charge of the permanent minority party.

Posted by: Satan back on the job at December 17, 2015 03:15 PM (qSIlh)

82 Anyone who has worked in IT in any capacity has run into the joy of working with H1B visa holders or an outsourcing firm. It SUCKS. Google/Facebook/Microsoft/Apple/etc they scarf up the creme of those folks and everyone else gets the dregs--no language skills, no project skills, and very thin computer skills.

I have an offshore team (in freaking Pakistan) that's always trying to steer projects toward their limited skillset. Instead of looking at the best tools for the job AND what we're good at, they just have that Golden Hammer they want to whack the project with.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2015 03:15 PM (jhqr1)

83
The Conservative opposition -- broadly speaking:

Virginia Republican Dave Brat, a Freedom Caucus member who also sits on the budget panel, said, "The end product here is just cleaning the barn; its a disaster," Brat said of the spending and tax deal. "Were breaking our pledge on the budget caps to the American people, weve lost fiscal discipline, and were throwing it all on the next generation."

But in the same breath, Brat praised Ryan: "Not only is he saying the right things, he is lining it up to do the right things ... and then leadership cant hijack the budget at the end of the year and throw the kitchen sink, which we just did."

Politico

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 03:15 PM (kdS6q)

84 It's a funny thing about stockholders. They're not all moneygrubbing tight fisted sons-of-bitches, worrying about the next dividend check.

If I held stock in an American company that displaced American workers I'd dump the stock. While I have a limited portfolio, the stocks I own and intend to purchase in the future are based on American ingenuity, not on the ability of some summa-bitch CEO to pad his own bonus check.

Disney can fuck off and diaf.

Posted by: free range jihadist at December 17, 2015 03:16 PM (7v/r5)

85 This Ace fellow is rather outrageous!

Posted by: Trump at December 17, 2015 03:16 PM (3dOE/)

86 "Well, when there is no more middle class to go to disney parks or movies or buy trinkets, their dividends might go away.

But for now, its "import terrrorists for the quarterly bottom line!"


I don't really think to middle class can afford to go to Disney World anymore. Disney seems focused on fleecing wealthy South Americans these days. The parks are full of them.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 17, 2015 03:16 PM (OD2ni)

87 >>Does anyone here believe the Unites States government has the consent of the governed?

NOPE.

And worse, they're actively hiding what they're doing from any oversight, such as "lost" caches of emails and whatnot.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2015 03:16 PM (NOIQH)

88 We need to get as many more anchor babies via those on visa's here as soon as possible.

Posted by: GOPe at December 17, 2015 03:16 PM (MbrzC)

89 So, Ace, you're saying buy Disney?

With what?

One share is currently $112.35.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 17, 2015 03:17 PM (LUgeY)

90 They GOP Elite is already self-castrated. Self-euthanized is the next logical step.

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 17, 2015 03:17 PM (iIzG7)

91 Seems like a lot of bad outcome scenarios for an increase in "Temporary Job Visas".

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 17, 2015 03:17 PM (WrzSn)

92 We'll have so many poets, and they'll all have health insurance, too!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at December 17, 2015 03:17 PM (7Kbxu)

93 I have an idea: primary Speaker Ryan.

The problem is deeper than him, but it'd still be fun to primary him. I don't like his face. I want to shit on it.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at December 17, 2015 03:17 PM (Qya/x)

94 DIS +19.2% YTD

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2015 03:17 PM (1RNgT)

95 Well, at least we have full employment for foreigners!

Who said America wasn't the land of opportunity? It certainly is for foreigners. Not so much for Americans anymore, though.

Posted by: elaine at December 17, 2015 03:17 PM (Y0Piu)

96 Ace's recent posts have been remarkably similar in tone, styleand content to those Mark Twain wrote during (and about) The Gilded Age. That's a compliment.

Posted by: troyriser at December 17, 2015 03:18 PM (UWlp+)

97 Ace, your post reminded me of what the owner of the Double Douche said about Dalton in Road House:


He's good. He's real good.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 17, 2015 03:18 PM (OD2ni)

98 They truly believe they won't have to pay for their treason.

This is what worries me. What do they believe or know will happen soon in the future that will prevent them from having a cost exacted from them?

I'm really really worried about this more than whatever Obama has in store (unless they're connected which they may be).

These guys don't screw the voters this badly this openly. They just don't.

But they are now. What's different now from before?

It's got me puzzled.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 17, 2015 03:18 PM (Xo1Rt)

99 "...and several senior GOP aides say close to 200 of their lawmakers could vote to approve the tax bill, with enough Democrats joining them to comfortably pass the measure."

That Shakespeare fellow was ahead of his time.

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."

http://shakespeare.mit.edu/2henryvi/2henryvi.4.2.html

Posted by: Russtovich at December 17, 2015 03:18 PM (pFXle)

100 Not to sound like an asshole or anything, but if your skills are limited to pushing a button that starts an amusement park ride, you don't have much leverage. Depending on politicians to insulate you from incompetence and lack of ambition doesn't work very well. Isn't this why houses in Detroit sell for $20?

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2015 03:10 PM (1RNgT)


Still doesn't justify importation of non-Americans.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 17, 2015 03:18 PM (0NdlF)

101 Ace, are you sticking with your boycott Disney stance? IOW's, no Star Wars?

Posted by: Chupacabra at December 17, 2015 03:18 PM (kZVsz)

102 So, Ace, don't mince words. Tell us how you really feel.

Oh, and bring some kerosene.

Folks, primary your incumbents. It's time they all went.

Fiat justicia, ruat caelum.

They refused to kneel.

The GOP must burn.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 17, 2015 03:18 PM (9krrF)

103 Ace has boasted in the past how this blog is 6 mos ahead of the general public.

In regards to Trump, this time it's the other way around. He's not a perfect conservative ideologue, but he seems to be an unabashed patriotic American.

Seems to be the better choice at the moment.

Posted by: other joe_mama at December 17, 2015 03:19 PM (13W9U)

104 Not to sound like an asshole or anything, but if your skills are limited to pushing a button that starts an amusement park ride, you don't have much leverage.

The United Auto Workers are outside your workplace, waiting for you to emerge for a "friendly chat".

Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2015 03:19 PM (jhqr1)

105 32 House Republicans are rallying around the $680 billion tax-break package, and several senior GOP aides say close to 200 of their lawmakers could vote to approve the tax bill, with enough Democrats joining them to comfortably pass the measure.

The tax extender package passed 318-109 (roll call: http://1.usa.gov/1O9MkIp). As for the omnibus, as of right now, it is starting to look like the most liberal House Democrats might sink it. The vote is currently scheduled for tomorrow.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 17, 2015 03:19 PM (YjDyJ)

106
Well alot of us said paul ryan would actually be worse than boehner, and many of us said after the 2010 election that the gop was looking to replace conservatives with a different constituency.

ta da.
*bows and barfs*

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 17, 2015 03:19 PM (ODxAs)

107 'Borne Under a Bad Sign'

Posted by: Albert King at December 17, 2015 03:19 PM (SG2QZ)

108 "Now, the various American workers displaced by the foreign ones will go, of course, on welfare (after their unemployment insurance runs out, of course). "

No, they will want another stimulus from President Hillery and whoever from the Dems takes Ryan's place as House Speaker once the GOPe has self-destructed over dumb primary voters supporting Trump instead of "Jeb!"

and that's his campaign slogan? were they inspired by the success of "Airplane!" ?

Posted by: Satan back on the job at December 17, 2015 03:19 PM (qSIlh)

109 They truly believe they won't have to pay for their treason.

I believe they do not see it as treason. They think they are being good consistent fiscal conservatives: good for business, good for jobs, good for the economy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 03:19 PM (39g3+)

110 Does anyone here believe the Unites States government has the consent of the governed?


The last poll I saw on that subject was around 25% and that was a couple of years ago.

I wonder what it is today?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 17, 2015 03:19 PM (LUgeY)

111 24 Paul Ryan is out there saying its a good deal.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:05 PM (sj3Ax)
----

So was Chamberlain

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 03:19 PM (MbrzC)

112 The Rethuglicans are likely going the way of the Whigs that they dispatched in the Civil War days.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 17, 2015 03:20 PM (dvuhZ)

113 Hey, when you've got 5% unemployment, ya gotta start importing workers.

/says the stupid and lazy media.

Posted by: Chupacabra at December 17, 2015 03:20 PM (kZVsz)

114 Excellent post! This is deeply insightful, well thought and well written.

I think this is why Trump is so popular. We have learned through repeated and painful histories that we simply cannot trust Republicans, almost ESPECIALLY the ones claiming to be conservative.

So we are left with only 1 hope - hire someone from the OUTSIDE, who is admittedly not like us - perhaps boorish and ill-mannered. Yes, we WANT a bull in the china shop!!!

Posted by: FredB at December 17, 2015 03:20 PM (mkgf1)

115 Not to sound like an asshole or anything, but if your skills are limited to pushing a button that starts an amusement park ride, you don't have much leverage. Depending on politicians to insulate you from incompetence and lack of ambition doesn't work very well. Isn't this why houses in Detroit sell for $20?

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2015 03:10 PM (1RNgT)

_____

Would you rather have that guy pushing the button for $8/hr or living on welfare while Juan Diego Martinez-Guitierez pushes the button for $7.65 an hour?

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:20 PM (0LHZx)

116 True, we are reducing Disney's costs, which makes them More Globally Competitive (TM)

Disney faces cutthroat competition from foreign purveyors of knockoff anthropomorphic mouse cartoons every day of the week.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 17, 2015 03:20 PM (8ZskC)

117 I don't know, though, ace -- I kind of liked the movie.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 17, 2015 03:01 PM (AkOaV)



The volcano brought a tear to my eye.


Here. I think we can all use some cheering up.

For the 'rons: http://bit.ly/1ObvOOb


For the 'ettes: http://bit.ly/1mqdSmO

For me: http://bit.ly/1vqpJV0

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at December 17, 2015 03:20 PM (mf5HN)

118 So drink up! This is the Golden Age of Republican Incompetency and Corruption.

There have been previous high points of Republican incompetency and corruption -- but this age is truly one of miracles and wonders.


L'Chaim!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 17, 2015 03:21 PM (zc3Db)

119 I for one will be watching the administration of President Trump very closely

Posted by: ThunderB at December 17, 2015 03:21 PM (zOTsN)

120 And yet, WE all knew Ryan would be terrible. I don't remember anyone here excited for Ryan as speaker, for good reason.

Posted by: Seems legit at December 17, 2015 03:21 PM (OWndX)

121 93 I have an idea: primary Speaker Ryan.

The problem is deeper than him, but it'd still be fun to primary him. I don't like his face. I want to shit on it.
Posted by: Mr. Estrada at December 17, 2015 03:17 PM (Qya/x)

He needs to be primaried and generaled. If he isn't defeated in the primary, cross party to beat him in the general.

If there isn't a primary Dem running - help put one up. Pull out all the stops.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 17, 2015 03:21 PM (ztYE8)

122 Yeah, after 43 solid years in the workforce, I'm having a heckuva time finding a new job. Everything I sincerely believed about Econ 101 / free trade / Milton Friedman is being sorely tested on my personal level. It's like society _wants_ me to be unemployed, to climb on an ice floe and drift away to die or something.

Six months until I can start drawing Social Security. I can plan on that maybe if it's still around then.

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 03:21 PM (mk9aG)

123 Fuck.

I've been working my whole life trying to build up a resume strong enough to bust into the amusement park industry.

Now it looks like I'll be sent to the rear of a 2 hour line.

Thanks, Obama.

Posted by: jwest at December 17, 2015 03:21 PM (Zs4uk)

124 Dear Iran,

Please nuke Washington DC.

Thank you.

Posted by: nip at December 17, 2015 03:21 PM (r73Jl)

125 How many visas are we talking about?

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2015 03:21 PM (1RNgT)

126 In regards to Trump, this time it's the other way around. He's not a perfect conservative ideologue, but he seems to be an unabashed patriotic American.

Seems to be the better choice at the moment.


It was always the better choice. If I still had an identifiable philosophy and I still believed it mattered, it would be "America for Americans". Which I suspect to be the heart of Trumpism (such as it is) and its supporters (such as they are).

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 17, 2015 03:21 PM (9krrF)

127 Oh, and great post, Ace.

Posted by: Seems legit at December 17, 2015 03:21 PM (OWndX)

128 Kinda like how Obama said we would be taking in "10,000" Syrians, and then -- get this! -- turns out we've already taken in 103,000 since 2012.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2015 03:15 PM (NOIQH)


And about 43 of them total were Christians!!!!

Which makes sense, right? Christians from Syria wouldn't qualify as refugees...

Posted by: Lea at December 17, 2015 03:21 PM (lIU4e)

129 I read what the GOP does and I think it is the Left just trying to dump on the GOP. Then I find out it is true. I still think that as Trump and Cruz continue to garner support that the GOP establishment will abandon the party. If that happens then Trump and Cruz should be congratulated for a job well done.

Posted by: Small Government at December 17, 2015 03:21 PM (BcWH9)

130
Hey guys, found the Hill to Die on:

The Verge

John McCain threatening not to support budget bill over rocket engine provision

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 03:22 PM (kdS6q)

131 120 And yet, WE all knew Ryan would be terrible. I don't remember anyone here excited for Ryan as speaker, for good reason.
Posted by: Seems legit at December 17, 2015 03:21 PM (OWndX)

___

I knew he'd be bad. I didn't think he'd be this bad this quick.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:22 PM (0LHZx)

132 http://tinyurl.com/njo2cc9

Paul Ryan's 11 Christmas Gifts to the SCOAMT!!

Howie Carr is giving out republican congressmen in New England!

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:22 PM (sj3Ax)

133 So does this mean I should buy more stock in Disney?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 17, 2015 03:22 PM (voOPb)

134 Paging Dr. Kevorkian, Dr. Kevorkian please pickup the red courtesy phone.

Posted by: Killerdog at December 17, 2015 03:22 PM (gZu0a)

135 73 Billion to Solar & Wind!

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:22 PM (sj3Ax)

136 @ 97
I thought he'd be bigger.

Posted by: The Chairman Of The Bored at December 17, 2015 03:23 PM (zcyux)

137 ace this all has jack shit to do with economics

this has everything to do with Dream Vision

say what you will about Patrick Buchanan, but he wrote back in 2007:

"A week ago, Bill Clinton invited a dozen African American columnists to the White House to brief them on his racial goals. 'We want to become a multiracial, multiethnic society,' the president confided. 'This will arguably be the third great revolution ... to prove that we literally can live without ... having a dominant European culture.'"

ok? and this is far from a kook perspective. Peter Sutherland (founder of WTO talks, UN Special Rep on Migration, etc) says the EU should undermine national "homogeneity"

http://bbc.in/1HfOZRe

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 03:23 PM (Alf87)

138 I keep hearing people on the radio talking about how the low unemployment rate demonstrates how great the economy is.

So I guess we're just not acknowledging the whole "lowest participation rate in 40 years" thing anymore?

That's no longer a problem?

Posted by: Kensington at December 17, 2015 03:23 PM (7Kbxu)

139 If the GOPe "goes 3rd party" themselves in response to a nominee they don't like, then that will be the breakup of the party. It'll be dead Jim, Whig dead.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 17, 2015 03:23 PM (dvuhZ)

140 For me: http://bit.ly/1vqpJV0

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at December 17, 2015 03:20 PM (mf5HN)



HEY!!! Share!

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 17, 2015 03:23 PM (gW5Vg)

141 Isn't that what Cruz wanted before he was against it?
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No that's was H1b (skilled - ie higher paid jobs) not h2's (non-skilled).

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 03:23 PM (MbrzC)

142 "Instead of looking at the best tools for the job AND what we're good at, they just have that Golden Hammer they want" Screw the Pakis, but to be fair, every consulting shop does that.

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 03:23 PM (mk9aG)

143 Promises unfulfilled, again!!!

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:23 PM (sj3Ax)

144 I knew he'd be bad. I didn't think he'd be this bad this quick.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:22 PM (0LHZx

I did.
1) He took the speaker's gig
2) No fight in the boy, he's never seen a hill to fight on/for
3) Its what the hierarchy wanted.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 17, 2015 03:24 PM (voOPb)

145 But what if the Disney imports are hot Eastern European chicks?


*goes back to see if this has already been asked 300 times in 100 comments*

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at December 17, 2015 03:24 PM (1xUj/)

146 I knew he'd be bad. I didn't think he'd be this bad this quick.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew


Rule of thumb in the Age of Obamanation: However bad you think it could possibly be, assume it'll be much, much worse. Hard to go wrong.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 17, 2015 03:24 PM (9krrF)

147 I knew Bambi was a anti conservative film.

Posted by: dantesed at December 17, 2015 03:24 PM (88xKn)

148 Does anyone here believe the Unites States government has the consent of the governed?

Does anyone, in the USA? Its pretty obvious that the federal government is just doing whatever it wants, and damn the laws or the voters. Because, what are we gonna do? They keep getting reelected anyway.

And the template for new lefties getting in office is to accelerate the rate of action. Trudeau is apparently trying to turn the entire nation of Canada into Albania overnight. Do it now, fast and hard, and know that whoever replaces you - assuming you even get voted out of office - won't repeal but a fraction of it, at most.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 03:25 PM (39g3+)

149 I keep hearing people on the radio talking about how the low unemployment rate demonstrates how great the economy is.

So I guess we're just not acknowledging the whole "lowest participation rate in 40 years" thing anymore?

That's no longer a problem?



Out of sight, out of mind.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2015 03:25 PM (E9ede)

150 When did the media acknowledge the participation rate? I haven't heard it yet as a counter-point to the official unemployment rate.

I mean, besides conservative commentary, anyways?

Of course, I may have just missed it.

Posted by: Chupacabra at December 17, 2015 03:25 PM (kZVsz)

151 The United Auto Workers are outside your workplace, waiting for you to emerge for a "friendly chat".

Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2015 03:19 PM (jhqr1)


This bill demonstrates how much leverage they now have the Democrats. They should be heading over to the DNC to have that "wall-to-wall discussion."

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Happy Hysteria-days from teh Outrage Outlet! at December 17, 2015 03:25 PM (hLRSq)

152 ATC that's strong medicine. Thanks. I do feel cheered up.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 03:25 PM (xuouz)

153 Cruz wanted to quadruple H1B not H2B

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:15 PM (0LHZx)
Originally I think was actually x8

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 03:25 PM (MbrzC)

154 Would you rather have that guy pushing the button for $8/hr or living on welfare while Juan Diego Martinez-Guitierez pushes the button for $7.65 an hour?

If I was the park owner I'd take the cheapest button pusher that actually shows up on time and doesn't fondle the customers and I'd keep him on until a button pushing robot hits the market. Don't like it go start your own goddamn amusement park.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2015 03:25 PM (1RNgT)

155 "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."

guess who said that.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 17, 2015 03:26 PM (Xo1Rt)

156 98 It's got me puzzled.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 17, 2015 03:18 PM (Xo1Rt)


These are not great thinkers. I believe they truly think they can kick the can down the road and all will be well.

Remember the 2008 housing bubble burst, how everyone but a few outspoken ones thought we could go on forever? And then it burst.


But you may be right, and the traitors would have Obama's (or a generic strongman's back).

Remember the 2008 housing bubble burst, how they were just cowed by Bush and Paulson to basically just hand Wall Street a blank check?


Interesting times.

Posted by: rebel flounder at December 17, 2015 03:26 PM (3dOE/)

157 Hse should go right to omnibus vote after 9 am et. Bedcheck votes not expected. Recess subject to call of chair could signal trouble.

From Chad Pergram Twitter, I'm not sure if it's good or bad.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:26 PM (sj3Ax)

158 Say what you will about the Democrats, but at least they PRETEND to give a f**k about their voters...

Posted by: navybrat at December 17, 2015 03:26 PM (Xodlv)

159 it's the media types who are out of their minds

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 03:27 PM (Alf87)

160 150 When did the media acknowledge the participation rate? I haven't heard it yet as a counter-point to the official unemployment rate.

I mean, besides conservative commentary, anyways?

Of course, I may have just missed it.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 17, 2015 03:25 PM (kZVsz)

____

It was mentioned for a while even in the MSM but in the past year or so complete silence on the matter.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:27 PM (0LHZx)

161 I think this is why Trump is so popular. We have learned through
repeated and painful histories that we simply cannot trust Republicans,
almost ESPECIALLY the ones claiming to be conservative.
==

And now it's clear why Ryan was bested by the braying jackass in the debates:

He was just fucking acting at being conservative--he didn't believe a single damned word of what he was saying.
And Romney.
And McCain.
And W.
And H.W.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 17, 2015 03:27 PM (fQ/0p)

162 For the 'ettes: http://bit.ly/1mqdSmO


Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches



Barishnikov, yes?


Do I get ghey cred for this?

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at December 17, 2015 03:27 PM (1xUj/)

163 81 seriously, this is the kind of thing that almost leaves me speechless. It's like they really want Trump to be the nominee so they can quietly support Hillery and continue to be the people in charge of the permanent minority party.

Posted by: Satan back on the job at December 17, 2015 03:15 PM (qSIlh)
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Winner winner chicken dinner. Only one thing they didn't really think of... what if by some chance he doesn't lose?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 03:27 PM (MbrzC)

164 Hastert had a stroke & had two surgeries & is being treated for sepsis.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:27 PM (sj3Ax)

165 I would not have placed this particular visa provision in the bill. If I remember correctly, I read that appropriators agreed to it in July.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby is on pg. 1862 at December 17, 2015 03:27 PM (YjDyJ)

166 Does anyone here believe the Unites States government has the consent of the governed?

Is "contempt" close enough?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 17, 2015 03:27 PM (zc3Db)

167 its pretty obvious...the rich, who are now more global than national, are doing their best to create a nepotistic aristocracy where the rest of us are the peasants. I mean, it worked so well for Europe before WW1, you know...

Posted by: azjaeger at December 17, 2015 03:27 PM (yK5wp)

168 For the 'ettes: http://bit.ly/1mqdSmO


Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches


Barishnikov, yes?


Do I get ghey cred for this?
Posted by: Bandersnatch



Just the tip.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2015 03:28 PM (E9ede)

169 Isn't this sort of thing too complicated for our weak little brains?

Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2015 03:28 PM (6xtq3)

170 If I was the park owner I'd take the cheapest button pusher that actually shows up on time and doesn't fondle the customers and I'd keep him on until a button pushing robot hits the market. Don't like it go start your own goddamn amusement park.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2015 03:25 PM (1RNgT)

_____

You didn't answer my question.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:28 PM (0LHZx)

171 In the grand scheme of things, what I see is the destruction of capitalism. It's' somewhat ironic in that the people destroying it are already quite rich and appear to be set for life.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 17, 2015 03:28 PM (LUgeY)

172 There will be no revolution. We will be immigranted away and fucked away By design

Posted by: ThunderB at December 17, 2015 03:28 PM (zOTsN)

173 All it would take is one non-GOPe pol to point out the most insidious thing about arrangements like this:

Our Betters that insist open borders brings nothing but goodness and prosperity will never have to suffer the consequences of it.

Paul Ryan and his family will never have to suffer global wage arbitration. His kids will have sinecures and elite status that will protect them from any loss in wages as a result of another 100 million immigrants in the next 10 years.

He won't ever be the victim of any crime perpetrated by the real, live thugs that are being given money to settle in new barrios in the Southwest.

His identity will never be stolen, his credit ruined to the point of requiring years and thousands of dollars to restore.

He won't have to watch his neighborhood decay into a wasteland full of human wrecks.

The GOP has pulled up the ladder, shut the hatch, and is laughing at us.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 17, 2015 03:29 PM (9YDUz)

174 Boycott Disney, I've been doing it forever.

Posted by: madamex at December 17, 2015 03:29 PM (1zsKV)

175 Cloward-Pliven - both parties are enacting their plan. Wreck the economy to get (and import) as many people as possible on the welfare rolls until the government collapses, then use the poor unemployable underclass as a revolutionary army to overthrow the current government to install themselves as lifetime Communist oligarchs.
_____________________________________________________________
12
Democrats (and now Republicans) love the poor. That's why they make so many of them.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at December 17, 2015 03:02 PM (evdj2)

Posted by: Pyrocles at December 17, 2015 03:29 PM (MYMcU)

176 I think this is why Trump is so popular. We have learned through repeated and painful histories that we simply cannot trust Republicans, almost ESPECIALLY the ones claiming to be conservative

Which is bizarre since I believe Trump is exactly like that, giving conservative stances on key issues, but having zero intent of actually carrying through on them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 03:29 PM (39g3+)

177 It's not fear of terrorists that's keeping me from theaters showing the latest "star wars". It the damn corporate mouse itself.

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at December 17, 2015 03:29 PM (ucB75)

178
But in the same breath, Brat praised Ryan: "Not only is he saying the right things, he is lining it up to do the right things ... and then leadership cant hijack the budget at the end of the year and throw the kitchen sink, which we just did."

Politico

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 03:15 PM (kdS6q)
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I'm supposed to take this guy seriously every again?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 03:29 PM (MbrzC)

179 It was a social contract...

We were all told that if we busted ass for 45 years, kept out nose clean and didn't complain, that we could move to a shitty trailer in Central Florida and be semi-retired operating a snow cone concession in the Happiest Fucking Place On Earth.

Now they're going to give the cherry jobs away to foreigners?

What has become of our country?

Posted by: jwest at December 17, 2015 03:29 PM (Zs4uk)

180 You could prolly really trace it all back to the wide spread use of the pill. Demographics is destiny

Posted by: ThunderB at December 17, 2015 03:29 PM (zOTsN)

181 25 We can import poverty, but not South American mahogany.
Posted by: Garrett at December 17, 2015 03:06 PM (SG2QZ)


Oh those young Brazilian lads, with skin like mahogany?
We can still import those!

Posted by: Harry Reid at December 17, 2015 03:29 PM (Vc8BX)

182 Excellent essay, ace.

I feel pretty certain that I will wake up one morning in early November and find that the GOP has lost the House and the Senate and the White House, and they will be utterly clueless as to how this state of affairs came about.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 17, 2015 03:29 PM (B8JRQ)

183 >>Barishnikov, yes?


No, Loki!!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2015 03:30 PM (NOIQH)

184 What's a bit laughable is that this is some sort of payoff to "Big oil".

No one (and I do mean no one) was really pushing this - it was a sort of "by the way, it'd be really cool if this happened" thing.

That it's even part of the conversation has caught a few by surprise.

Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 17, 2015 03:30 PM (NHQQx)

185 *peers in*

I think I will put in my laser disc of the first Star Wars movie to get geared up for tonight.

In a galaxy far far away, things were not as sucky.

*serves the Empress some BBQ Bantha with a side order of Sand People shish-kabob with some stir-fry Sith*

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 03:31 PM (iomlS)

186 at this point, I hope Trump wins, I hope he brings along a raft of legal/financial/bureaucratic pirates, and I hope he burns and scuttles every last ship with an R and D flag

subject Congress to the laws of the nation
eliminate entire federal departments
burn every trace of red tape
radically reform the IRS
purge State
get the best military people in training and restack the leadership

I mean, the list is endless

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 03:31 PM (Alf87)

187 Barishnikov, yes?
Do I get ghey cred for this?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at December 17, 2015 03:27 PM (1xUj/)


Was wondering who that was due to the face being partially covered. Atc, did not think that was important, huh?

Posted by: Lea at December 17, 2015 03:31 PM (lIU4e)

188 >>>If I was the park owner I'd take the cheapest button pusher that actually shows up on time and doesn't fondle the customers and I'd keep him on until a button pushing robot hits the market. Don't like it go start your own goddamn amusement park.

but you're changing the rules, you're passing a special-interest law to change the work force pool.

And what becomes of the guy without a job? I assume you don't want to pay his welfare -- shall we just trundle him off to the gas chambers, perhaps?

Posted by: ace at December 17, 2015 03:31 PM (dciA+)

189 Wasn't the whole reason for Disney to make the move to replace the workers because of the Obamacare costs? Disney employs a ton of manuel labor.

Posted by: rebel flounder at December 17, 2015 03:32 PM (3dOE/)

190 Loki? goes to relook...

Posted by: Lea at December 17, 2015 03:32 PM (lIU4e)

191 Jeff Sessions is on Howie Carr Show.

If one votes against it, you'll be accused of shutting down government!
SITFD!!

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:32 PM (sj3Ax)

192 re 138: "I keep hearing people on the radio talking about how the low unemployment rate demonstrates how great the economy is."

And it's absolutely true! I see a help wanted sign in just about every McDonalds and Burger King that I walk past. McJobs has returned to replace Funemployment! Thank you for not building that, Mr. Presnident!

Posted by: Satan back on the job at December 17, 2015 03:32 PM (qSIlh)

193
Senator Marco Rubio says he wants to slow down and amend the $1.1 trillion spending bill that is making its way through Congress. The problem? He had the chance to on Thursday but didnt because he was campaigning for president in Iowa.

On Thursday morning, Mr. Rubio voiced his distaste for the measure in an interview with Fox News, saying, "We can most certainly slow this process down and force them to go back and make changes to it."

What Mr. Rubio apparently did not know when he spoke was that his fellow Republicans in the Senate had already unanimously agreed to schedule votes on the bill for Friday. He could have exercised his right to object, which would have forced the Senate to take more time before voting.

Adam Jentleson, a senior aide for Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic leader, noted that it would have been relatively simple for Mr. Rubio to object. "Literally all you need to do is pick up the phone or send an email or have your staff do it," Mr. Jentleson said.

NYT

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 03:32 PM (kdS6q)

194 "It's not fear of terrorists that's keeping me from theaters" Me neither. What's keeping me away is inconsiderate loud and smelly patrons, inability to pause, high price, inability to lounge in my favorite position, can't smoke, can't drink, no option for subtitles, highly limited selection of content, oh a dozen other things. Why go to a theater when you can wait a few months and watch it at home?

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 03:32 PM (mk9aG)

195 Was wondering who that was due to the face being partially covered. Atc, did not think that was important, huh?
Posted by: Lea


Lizzy thinks it's Loki.

I'm waiting for an Imperial Ruling.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at December 17, 2015 03:33 PM (1xUj/)

196 I and others knew Ryan would be the master of this sort of thing.

And I tell you now that Cruz is of the same mold.

He is not to be trusted. Just a gut feeling but I've been right too many times for me to ignore this feeling.

Don't jump on me too hard because I really don't have much reason for this feeling so I can't really defend it.

Do what you will. It's the same feeling I had after the 2012 election and Ryan was touting some budget he'd written that was also terrible.

I knew then that we'd avoided trouble when we didn't elect those two in 2012.

And I felt even stronger about him when he came up for this phony baloney discharge of Boehner. That whole thing was staged for the purpose of putting Ryan in. All bullshit.

That meant that either Boehner couldn't hack it (it was so bad even he couldn't do it) or he didn't want to have his name attached to it and told them to get another so they did. And they went to Ryan for the betrayal. Because he would.

He's another narcissist who thinks he's a genius.

*spit*

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 17, 2015 03:33 PM (Xo1Rt)

197 "somewhat ironic "

bboy, not ironic at all

socialism is big business and government being in bed together

call it crony capitalism if anyone wishes, the end result is the same

destruction of the middle class

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 03:33 PM (Alf87)

198 Not to sound like an asshole or anything, but if your skills are limited to pushing a button ....

We'll at least you are self aware.

These jobs exist for a reason or certainly they would have been eliminated by the never-ending corporate bean counters. As Ace clearly states, these jobs instill a set of values and work ethics that a civil society relies upon.

I'd wager a bet that the most menial job at a Disney amusement park is more valuable (with real output and content) than probably 25% of the federal/state jobs regardless of wages. A Disney sanitation worker scrubbing a toilet has more POSITIVE impact on me then the afore-mentioned 25%+ of government workers.

Even though I've worked in a professional office for 30+ years, I can still appreciate the value of glamorous jobs. Don't be a jerk.

Posted by: doesky2 at December 17, 2015 03:33 PM (ls21y)

199 All criticism of Disney is illegal under the DMCA!

Posted by: Zombie Congressman Sonny Bono at December 17, 2015 03:33 PM (Vc8BX)

200 175 Cloward-Pliven - both parties are enacting their plan. Wreck the economy to get (and import) as many people as possible on the welfare rolls until the government collapses, then use the poor unemployable underclass as a revolutionary army

to overthrow the current government to install themselves as lifetime Communist oligarchs.



They are looking to peaceful Russia to achieve that. They need to look more to banana republics and african countries.
Coup as soon as someone is froggy enough to pull the trigger.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2015 03:34 PM (E9ede)

201 Are we going to pretend we didn't know this was Boehner's shitwich? It's all on Ryan because he didn't scrap months of negotiations with only a month to try to do better? We were told that this is exactly what would happen.

Being pissed about yet another bipartisan spending spree, that's conservative, and we should exact a price from the go-along to stay in the Post's good graces crowd. But this was always going to be the price for knocking out Boehner--call it "Drunkys Revenge"--and we were told this.

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 17, 2015 03:34 PM (WrzSn)

202 I believe they do not see it as treason. They think they are being good consistent fiscal conservatives: good for business, good for jobs, good for the economy.

IMHO, the flaw in their thinking is being unable to place themselves in the place of all the displaced Americans. They never seem to think of how they'd feel if the situation was reversed and it was they who suddenly found themselves out of a job for no reason other than for political power.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 17, 2015 03:34 PM (LUgeY)

203 For Bandersnatch

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jpfgury

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 03:34 PM (iomlS)

204 >>>"If I was the park owner I'd take the cheapest button pusher that actually shows up on time and doesn't fondle the customers..."


When we help little girls on to the rides, it may look like we're fondling them, but it's a safety thing.

Trust me.

Posted by: jwest at December 17, 2015 03:34 PM (Zs4uk)

205 Dividends, you say? Right about now, Disney executives will be glad-handing George Lucas and his merry band of puppet makers all the way to the fucking bank. Computer generated income. CGI, motherfuckers!

Posted by: Fritz at December 17, 2015 03:34 PM (UzPAd)

206 I had a friend point this out to me: the fact that we "need" to bring in
foreign workers to do low-skill jobs is the most succinct way to
demonstrate that there's something wrong with welfare.


Which raises the question in my mind: Why don't just assign welfare recipients to jobs that would otherwise go to H2B workers?

Then Disney gets to cut their payout to 0, and you would be more likely to find the controlled substances required to make the Magic Kingdom really look magical.

If you really need the /s here, I can't help you.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 17, 2015 03:34 PM (YEelc)

207 Couldn't have said it better myself. Had to come out of lurking to concur - back to work/lurk.

My spouse did just say at lunch that if we were friends with the Ryan family up in Wisco we would never talk to them again after this.

Posted by: Chicagolurker at December 17, 2015 03:34 PM (X4zfU)

208 World class rant, Ace. I wish one of our GOP presidential contenders would say that. I've never understood why the H1B & H2B visa programs have flown below the radar for so long.

There's political gold there, if someone would expose the scam to the American people.

Posted by: mnw at December 17, 2015 03:34 PM (/Yg5r)

209 but we now see that person descend into a spiral of anti-social and criminal tendencies.

e.g. blogging or even worse commenting on blogs.

back to the juicy content.

Posted by: DaveA at December 17, 2015 03:34 PM (DL2i+)

210 "He's another narcissist who thinks he's a genius."

his weightlifting shtick was a tell

vain boy

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 03:34 PM (Alf87)

211 áDisney employs a ton of manuel labor.áPosted by: rebel flounder at December 17, 2015 03:32 PM


A lot of laborers named, Manuel. Yes.

Posted by: free range jihadist at December 17, 2015 03:35 PM (7v/r5)

212 I can't make up my mind if Congressional Republicans are more like the Washington Generals or Frank Williams (80's WWF).

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 17, 2015 03:35 PM (OD2ni)

213 It's time to quote a little Oliver Cromwell:

-----------

It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place,
which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by
your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all
good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like
Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your
God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there
one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse;
gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for
bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good
of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place,
and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral
principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the
whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances
redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there,
and lock up the doors.


In the name of God, go!

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 17, 2015 03:35 PM (dvuhZ)

214 157 Hse should go right to omnibus vote after 9 am et. Bedcheck votes
not expected. Recess subject to call of chair could signal trouble.


From Chad Pergram Twitter, I'm not sure if it's good or bad.

The "progressive" House Democrats are considering whether to sink the omnibus because they feel they did not get a good deal.

"Tax package passes, but concerns rise about spending bill"- http://politi.co/1TS60F4

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 17, 2015 03:35 PM (YjDyJ)

215 For Bandersnatch

Heh.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at December 17, 2015 03:35 PM (1xUj/)

216 re 147: "I knew Bambi was a anti conservative film."

well I saw Bambi open for Ron Jeremy in "Bambi does Baltimore, parts 3, 7, 14, 25, 29, 37, and 46", so there.

Posted by: Satan back on the job at December 17, 2015 03:35 PM (qSIlh)

217

These are "starter jobs". The ones that used to teach young people about work and responsibility. They ones you learned to be a worker from. What used to go,to higher schoolers now goes to Central Americans with 4 kids

Posted by: ThunderB at December 17, 2015 03:36 PM (zOTsN)

218 "I keep hearing people on the radio talking about how the low unemployment rate demonstrates how great the economy is."

Yeah, nearly 100,000,000 million Americans out of work, not able to collect unemployment, and the economy is great!

Check out this chart:

http://tinyurl.com/qy4j42d

That's probably nothing.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 03:36 PM (39g3+)

219 We can assign all these transformative values to Trump, as a way to contrast with the discredited "old way", but in the end, he's still the same guy who sucked Liberal dick and got Liberal handjobs to get where he is today. At best he will be the lesser of two evils, at worst, he'll be the best Manchurian Candidate the Statists have produced yet.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 17, 2015 03:36 PM (2cS/G)

220 "Coup as soon as someone is froggy enough to pull the trigger."

I'm your huckleberry.

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 17, 2015 03:36 PM (iIzG7)

221 150 When did the media acknowledge the participation rate? I haven't heard it yet as a counter-point to the official unemployment rate.
---

Yesterday the Whitehouse said the LPR was lower then normal from all the people going back to school and all the people on disability now vs 1970's. Seriously that was their excuse.

That's what they say... you know..compare to 70's not like...ummm.. 2005, 2007. lol

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 03:36 PM (MbrzC)

222 Yes, it's this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1v=EMDZ81-rBRM

Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2015 03:37 PM (NOIQH)

223 I think Mr. Ace is being fundamentally unfair to the Republican Party and capitalism.

Yes, paying lower wages makes companies more competitive, because their products can be marketed at lower prices and if the prices of a product are sufficiently low, wealthy and poor alike can afford it. Mr. Ace' leftwing blame-game completely blends out what being "poor" in America means in the 21st century: smart-phones and flat-screen tvs.

Also: being priced out of a job, doesnt mean you have to stay unemployed. It means you have to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, become more competitive yourself and get a new job. And that too requires the virtues Mr. Ace was talking about.

The Republican Party can help to facilitate this process by a more business friendly climate that allows job creators to create more jobs, so that people dont get stuck in unemployment. And this is exactly why tax cuts must be the center piece of every Republican platform.

It seems to me that this post is informed by ill-will towards the Republican Party, rather than by actual facts.

Posted by: Begonia at December 17, 2015 03:37 PM (dibrq)

224 this is not the future i signed up for...

nor the one i sacrificed my youth and health for.

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 17, 2015 03:38 PM (YZH0v)

225 "I'd wager a bet that the most menial job at a Disney amusement park is more valuable (with real output and content) than probably 25% of the federal/state jobs regardless of wages. "


Disney has always been the dream for us would-be amusement park workers, due to the high ratio of teeth/employee.

Posted by: jwest at December 17, 2015 03:38 PM (Zs4uk)

226 Disney a 1/8 boost on the stock market,

ace,
everything has been pennies or further decimalized since the early 2000s. Last time I had a useful job. It's all High Frequency Traded now.

Posted by: DaveA at December 17, 2015 03:39 PM (DL2i+)

227 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 17, 2015 03:35 PM (dvuhZ)

I've always liked those quotes; Thanks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2015 03:39 PM (No/ki)

228 You didn't answer my question.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:28 PM (0LHZx)


I don't give a shit honestly. Despite all the mewling in the comments, the labor market here is extremely tight. I have clients that want to expand, but are constrained by lack of manpower. These are employers in manufacturing, agriculture, transportation, retail - across the board.

I'm seeing the other side of this argument and it isn't just about clipping some sad sack button pusher for 35 cents an hour. There are a lot of jobs available for reasonably motivated people.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2015 03:39 PM (1RNgT)

229 "...Disney employs a ton of manuel labor."


Good one there - Manuel Labor.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Happy Hysteria-days from teh Outrage Outlet! at December 17, 2015 03:40 PM (hLRSq)

230 And about 43 of them total were Christians!!!!


My God, how did Christians get in? Heads are finally gonna roll at the Department of Homeland Security.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 17, 2015 03:40 PM (8ZskC)

231 Now, the various American workers displaced by the foreign ones will go, of course, on welfare (after their unemployment insurance runs out, of course).
Or go on disability.

Lookout, Ace! You're suffering massive skin failure!!!

Posted by: dr nick riviera at December 17, 2015 03:40 PM (DLIIY)

232 begonia

because Ferguson(TM) is Good for America

are you high?

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 03:40 PM (Alf87)

233 "at this point, I hope Trump wins, I hope he brings along a raft of
legal/financial/bureaucratic pirates, and I hope he burns and scuttles
every last ship with an R and D flag"

======

My best guess is that Trump wouldn't do that. He doesn't want to be President in order to Do Things. He wants to be President in order to Be President.

Posted by: Kensington at December 17, 2015 03:40 PM (7Kbxu)

234 116 True, we are reducing Disney's costs, which makes them More Globally Competitive (TM)

Disney faces cutthroat competition from foreign purveyors of knockoff anthropomorphic mouse cartoons every day of the week.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 17, 2015 03:20 PM (8ZskC)

-------------------------

You know what else Disney benefits from? The massive extension of copyright.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at December 17, 2015 03:40 PM (LXJ1e)

235 wait, I get it, if we double the minimum wage then employers won't have any reason to want to import cheap labor. Brilliant!

Posted by: Satan back on the job at December 17, 2015 03:40 PM (qSIlh)

236 And by the #seats they're winning. Too bad that metric only signs off on D BS.

Posted by: DaveA at December 17, 2015 03:40 PM (DL2i+)

237 It was a social contract...

We were all told that if we busted ass for 45 years, kept out nose clean and didn't complain, that we could move to a shitty trailer in Central Florida and be semi-retired operating a snow cone concession in the Happiest Fucking Place On Earth.

Now they're going to give the cherry jobs away to foreigners?

What has become of our country?


I suppose you're making a snarky point that these are not important jobs.

Does it give you pause that construction used to be a blue collar, middle class career and is now nearly the sole realm of illegals?

Small businesses employ about half of US workers, and those are getting squeezed by others who are eking out extra profit using visa holders and illegals.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2015 03:40 PM (jhqr1)

238 196 I and others knew Ryan would be the master of this sort of thing.

And I tell you now that Cruz is of the same mold.

He is not to be trusted. Just a gut feeling but I've been right too many times for me to ignore this feeling.


I get the same vibe from him. And he was my guy going in from the beginning before I jumped to Trump.

Not sure what it is, but he comes across as this perfect conservative robot. Everything he says is just too perfect. He's part of the establishment as well. Granted he is fringe establishment, but he is still establishment nonetheless.

Posted by: other joe_mama at December 17, 2015 03:41 PM (13W9U)

239 I don't give a shit honestly. Despite all the mewling in the comments, the labor market here is extremely tight. I have clients that want to expand, but are constrained by lack of manpower. These are employers in manufacturing, agriculture, transportation, retail - across the board.

I'm seeing the other side of this argument and it isn't just about clipping some sad sack button pusher for 35 cents an hour. There are a lot of jobs available for reasonably motivated people.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2015 03:39 PM (1RNgT)

______

You didn't answer the question because if you did you'd expose yourself to be completely uninformed on the subject.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:41 PM (0LHZx)

240 "Also: being priced out of a job, doesnt mean you have to stay unemployed. It means you have to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, become more competitive yourself and get a new job."

I used to believe that too, but at age 61, you can't even get an interview. And if you do, you're not allowed to discuss compensation until an offer is made; until then, they just assume you want high pay. Hell, I'll write code for the same rate as an Indian will write it, but how do I get in the door to tell the employers that?

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 03:41 PM (mk9aG)

241 What Mr. Rubio apparently did not know when he spoke was that his fellow Republicans in the Senate had already unanimously agreed to schedule votes on the bill for Friday. He could have exercised his right to object, which would have forced the Senate to take more time before voting.

Adam Jentleson, a senior aide for Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic leader, noted that it would have been relatively simple for Mr. Rubio to object. "Literally all you need to do is pick up the phone or send an email or have your staff do it," Mr. Jentleson said.

NYT

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 03:32 PM (kdS6q)
---
But he knows about the TRIAD!!

Let's be really he totally knew he could make that call and purposely didn't, he's so full of crap.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 03:42 PM (MbrzC)

242 "Yes, paying lower wages makes companies more competitive, because their products can be marketed at lower prices and if the prices of a product are sufficiently low, wealthy and poor alike can afford it. Mr. Ace' leftwing blame-game completely blends out what being "poor" in America means in the 21st century: smart-phones and flat-screen tvs."

You think Disney is trying to keep its prices low? Have you been to Disney World in the last 10 years?

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 17, 2015 03:42 PM (OD2ni)

243 Did Ryan grow a beard instead of balls?

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:42 PM (sj3Ax)

244 H2B visas are granted for jobs like "amusement park worker."

So -- we've destroyed the country simply to corner the market in carnies?

Posted by: zombie at December 17, 2015 03:42 PM (jBuUi)

245
That omnibus and associated mess was just a big middle finger and a loud F You! to people like us. They hate us. At least they have stopped pretending.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 17, 2015 03:42 PM (ODxAs)

246 There are a lot of jobs available for reasonably motivated people.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head


You're leaving out the fact that employers are requiring greater skill levels for less money.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 17, 2015 03:42 PM (9YDUz)

247 227: I have fantasies of a leading an army of barbarians on Washington, taking the Capitol, and uttering those words to the cowering congresscritters.

And then after, I give the signal to the barbarians to start the burning, pillaging, destroying.

I think just for fun, I'd literally do the ol' "tarring, feathering and running out of town on a rail".

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 17, 2015 03:43 PM (dvuhZ)

248 There are a lot of jobs available for reasonably motivated people.

That's the other side of the equasion: there are jobs for a lot of people, but people don't want those jobs. Too much work, too hard, too long hours, wrong kind, too demeaning, beneath me, I got a degree, I won't use a wrench, etc.

We have this horrible confluence of murderous regulations and increased expenses meeting a society of self-important overblown egos and fragile emotional infants. And the business owner is caught between them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 03:43 PM (39g3+)

249 start with Ryan and make Boehner watch

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 03:43 PM (Alf87)

250 Si si puede!

Posted by: Manuel Labor at December 17, 2015 03:43 PM (7Kbxu)

251 Ohhhhhhh Begonia was a sock the whole time.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 03:43 PM (xuouz)

252 because Ferguson(TM) is Good for America

are you high?

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 03:40 PM (Alf87)
_____

What? who said that? I didnt write a word about Ferguson. Are YOU high?

Posted by: Begonia at December 17, 2015 03:43 PM (dibrq)

253 According to GOPe shills like Gristle Encased Head think saving 5 cents an hour on labor costs for 200K is more benefical to the country than having 200K Americans on welfare for life.

Yeah sounds about right.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:43 PM (0LHZx)

254 zombie wait until Furries move into SF on H2Bs to work.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 03:44 PM (iomlS)

255 Sounds like getting government involved fucks the whole system up.

Well, nobody coulda seen that coming.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 17, 2015 03:44 PM (oVJmc)

256 http://tinyurl.com/ot38dk4

Illegals get big break!
Eff Ryan!

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:44 PM (sj3Ax)

257 A shiny new donkey to whoever brings me the head of Ace of Spades!

Posted by: charles montgomery burns at December 17, 2015 03:44 PM (DLIIY)

258 What might work is a massive tax revolt, but everybody who pays taxes would have to do that and it would be impossible to organize by January!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2015 03:44 PM (No/ki)

259 If I was the park owner I'd take the cheapest button pusher that actually shows up on time and doesn't fondle the customers and I'd keep him on until a button pushing robot hits the market. Don't like it go start your own goddamn amusement park.


Forget robots. I'd buy rides whose buttons were permanently pushed at the factory.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 17, 2015 03:44 PM (8ZskC)

260 As Ace clearly states, these jobs instill a set of values and work ethics that a civil society relies upon.

Yep. Here's a fun experiment for you: Go do an informal poll of your workplace's executives and find out how many of them once held a fast food job.

Leftists and too many Rightists deride these jobs with terms like "McJob", but a lot of really high flyers started out there.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2015 03:44 PM (jhqr1)

261 "Disney faces cutthroat competition from foreign purveyors of knockoff anthropomorphic mouse cartoons every day of the week.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 17, 2015 03:20 PM (8ZskC)"


Well, there was that Hamas version of Mickey Mouse. I think he got beheaded for stealing some money.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 17, 2015 03:45 PM (OD2ni)

262 Quite an endorsement. For Donald the destroyer...

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2015 03:45 PM (yQVAQ)

263 "I have clients that want to expand, but are constrained by lack of manpower." I keep hearing that, but they aren't anywhere I can find them. Can you put up a couple of links? Would they be willing to interview an old white American male who will settle for under-median pay? Will they throw out my resume because it has two spaces after every period instead of one, or whatever other phony-baloney petty BS?

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 03:45 PM (mk9aG)

264 To change the subject: I bought a set of those VR Oculus goggles the other day.

Holy shit are they awesome!

And the VR theaters you can watch movies in are 1000X better than any real-life--I can sit at home, put on a pair of headphones and have the big screen, surround-sound experience.

You heard it hear first: VR is the next big thing.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 17, 2015 03:45 PM (fQ/0p)

265 For the 'rons: http://bit.ly/1ObvOOb




Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at December 17, 2015 03:20 PM (mf5HN)



You are a wise and beneficent ruler, Empress.

Posted by: physics geek at December 17, 2015 03:45 PM (MT22W)

266 "Ohhhhhhh Begonia was a sock the whole time."
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OMG Spoilers!

Posted by: Kensington at December 17, 2015 03:45 PM (7Kbxu)

267 My best guess is that Trump wouldn't do that. He doesn't want to be President in order to Do Things. He wants to be President in order to Be President.
Posted by: Kensington at December 17, 2015 03:40 PM (7Kbxu)

He has position papers up, and got to where he is in the polls because of one promise to do things. Remember?

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 03:45 PM (xuouz)

268 and there won't *be* any new business owners

just mandarins and drones, like HG Wells said

I plan to check out on a nice little farm somewhere, far away from all this crap

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 03:46 PM (Alf87)

269 Which is bizarre since I believe Trump is exactly like that, giving conservative stances on key issues, but having zero intent of actually carrying through on them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 03:29 PM (39g3+)



He has non-negative credibility at the moment.

If he wins the presidency and has to start living up to expectations, that will change.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 17, 2015 03:46 PM (0NdlF)

270 Thank you, AP. *noms*

BC, let me think. No.

Barishnikov, yes?


Do I get ghey cred for this?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at December 17, 2015 03:27 PM (1xUj/)



No, that is not Barishnikov. This is Barishnikov.

http://bit.ly/1RrFMeJ

Moar Barishnikov:

https://youtu.be/l5AP33ygcKY

*deducts from your gay cred*

And this is for Lizzy and Lea, for getting it right:

http://bit.ly/1ew5bN7



Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at December 17, 2015 03:46 PM (mf5HN)

271 "employers are requiring greater skill levels for less money." That's always been true, and I'm fine with it. But how do I get in the fricking door?

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 03:46 PM (mk9aG)

272 I used to believe that too, but at age 61, you can't even get an interview. And if you do, you're not allowed to discuss compensation until an offer is made; until then, they just assume you want high pay. Hell, I'll write code for the same rate as an Indian will write it, but how do I get in the door to tell the employers that?

Once a potential employer sees a resume with good qualifications and decades of experience, he or she thinks to him or herself, "Damn, this person will want a fortune in pay." and promptly shitcans the resume.

All the old rules about work are no longer in effect. There are no real jobs and no such things as careers anymore.

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 17, 2015 03:46 PM (LUgeY)

273
Immigration Subcmte

Here is a photo of the 2,242 page omnibus and tax deal.

https://twitter.com/ImmigrationGOP/status/677260649190199296



Almost 5 reams of paper, plus a whole lot of ink jet cartridges.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 03:46 PM (kdS6q)

274 Posted by: redc1c4 at December 17, 2015 03:38 PM (YZH0v)

hear hear.

this is turning out to be a horror story and not the rom com I was expecting.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 17, 2015 03:46 PM (Xo1Rt)

275 A shiny new donkey to whoever brings me the head of Ace of Spades!
Sorry. Wrong speech.

I hereby name the Winner of the First Annual Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence to this inanimate carbon rod. Sorry, Begonia. The rod is much more useful.

Go, Jeb!

Erm. Go, Rubio!

Posted by: charles montgomery burns at December 17, 2015 03:46 PM (DLIIY)

276 Posted by: Speaker Paul Ryan at December 17, 2015 03:05 PM (LYCUN)

Ryan-
All the police officers will be in danger from BLM thugs.
Did you also fund BLM too?

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:46 PM (sj3Ax)

277 has the consent of the governed?


So now it's rape-Thursday also.

Posted by: DaveA at December 17, 2015 03:47 PM (DL2i+)

278 My best guess is that Trump wouldn't do that. He doesn't want to be President in order to Do Things. He wants to be President in order to Be President.

===

My best guess is that Trump will only hire those he trusts and kick out all others. He tends to hire competent people, so its all win-win.

Posted by: Bigby's Finger Foods at December 17, 2015 03:47 PM (3ZtZW)

279 GOPe fiction: there aren't enough workers so we have to import millions from Mexico

Reality: there aren't enough workers **WILLING TO WORK AS SLAVES** so we will import millions from Mexico who will gladly work as slaves

Basic econ 101. When there is a shortage of supply, increase the price offered, and supply will increase. Not enough workers? Simple solution. Pay more. And you'll see the supply of workers increase in no time. But that might cut Disney's share price by 1/10 of 1%. So instead let's fuck over 200K American families and import 200K Mexican families instead.

Anything to make sure Disney's CEO makes his $25M a year bonus this year.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:47 PM (0LHZx)

280 That combined with massive march on DC. Difficult to organize before the tax season starts, though.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2015 03:47 PM (No/ki)

281 It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue

Whoa whoa whoa there SoCon scum. We're not allowed to talk about virtues anymore. All we need is a system that maximizes freedom. That's it.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2015 03:47 PM (jhqr1)

282 Is this how the cool kids keep sane around here? By socking as Jeb supporters? Or are the high-volume commenters all schizophrenic?

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 03:47 PM (xuouz)

283 Start the slow golf clap....

Ryan has just proven himself as Boehner with a scruffy beard. There isn't a single man with wisdom and courage left in Washington.

Yet, they still don't get why most people despise them.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 17, 2015 03:47 PM (GGCsk)

284 It's time to quote a little Oliver Cromwell...


Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 17, 2015 03:35 PM (dvuhZ)

Republican Party leadership still has no idea how disenchanted Republican rank-and-file voters have become. GOP leaders are--get this--mystified by the Trump phenomenon. Their disconnection--for lack of a better word--rivals that of President Obama.

So yeah: Oliver Cromwell comes to mind in times like these.

Posted by: troyriser at December 17, 2015 03:47 PM (UWlp+)

285 begonia's a sock? dagnabbit

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 03:47 PM (Alf87)

286 "He has position papers up, and got to where he is in the polls because of one promise to do things. Remember?
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Yes. I don't believe him.

Posted by: Kensington at December 17, 2015 03:48 PM (7Kbxu)

287 "Yep. Here's a fun experiment for you: Go do an informal poll of your workplace's executives and find out how many of them once held a fast food job.

Leftists and too many Rightists deride these jobs with terms like "McJob", but a lot of really high flyers started out there."


I was trying to explain to my son that I started working as a restaurant dishwasher at age 13. It taught me the value of hard work and how to work with non-family adults. It was great experience and almost all of my friends had similar jobs at that age. Those jobs are not available anymore.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 17, 2015 03:48 PM (OD2ni)

288 Did you also fund BLM too?

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:46 PM (sj3Ax)


As a matter of fact they did, but NOT including an amendment that they were suppose to to STOP payments that were suppose to go to the Justice Department but instead can go directly to left wing organizations. So Yes they did. Thanks RINOs and SHILLs

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2015 03:48 PM (gf8BH)

289 "I have clients that want to expand, but are constrained by lack of manpower."
---
Have you advised them to offer higher wages\salaries?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 03:48 PM (MbrzC)

290 248 I agree. I have a person who's working as a admin/receptionist, who said she didn't go to college to be a receptionist. Too damn bad! Colleges are turning out kids not equipped to problem solve, especially to improve their own situations. Rather than say "I don't want to file", how about you figure out how to make yourself invaluable to the company, eh? It's called work for a reason.

Posted by: Chicagolurker at December 17, 2015 03:49 PM (X4zfU)

291 http://tinyurl.com/owg8ue9

Dems are celebrating these "conservative" policies.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:49 PM (sj3Ax)

292 You think Disney is trying to keep its prices low? Have you been to Disney World in the last 10 years?

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 17, 2015 03:42 PM (OD2ni)
_____

I have never been to Disney World. I have no use for "Amusement Parks" and I quite frankly dont see why a poor person would waste money on something like that.

So, maybe Disney is a bad example for this, but it holds still true for essential goods and even products that would have been considered luxuries not too long ago, like mobile phones and internet access.

Posted by: Begonia at December 17, 2015 03:50 PM (dibrq)

293 I ran into that sooner than I expected. "Overqualified" was the word they used.

I can understand their reasoning but it didn't do much for my attitude in general.

More so now when health care comes with so high a price that when I added up what I'd have to get for even part time work, I knew no one's going to hire an old geezer for that. Not when I could croak tomorrow and leave them without even someone to train the new guy.

I keep trying to think of ways to make some side cash and I've got a few ideas but it takes money to get them off the ground.

Maybe when the whole economy goes in the dumper and experience and brains counts for more than just a body I'll be able to winkle my way in.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 17, 2015 03:50 PM (Xo1Rt)

294 289 "I have clients that want to expand, but are constrained by lack of manpower."
---
Have you advised them to offer higher wages\salaries?
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 03:48 PM (MbrzC)

____

Sir, that kind of talk will not be tolerated in polite circles.

Posted by: GOPe Socks/Shills at December 17, 2015 03:50 PM (0LHZx)

295 So, is Paul Ryan's beard a signal that he's gone all statist and socialist oligarch like Castro-

to match his new set of policies?

Posted by: naturalfake at December 17, 2015 03:50 PM (0cMkb)

296 Posted by: troyriser at December 17, 2015 03:47 PM (UWlp+)

Maybe everybody should print it out and send it to their Congresscritters.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2015 03:50 PM (No/ki)

297 and there won't *be* any new business owners

just mandarins and drones, like HG Wells said

I plan to check out on a nice little farm somewhere, far away from all this crap



November 20, 2017 and I'm gone.
20 acres in the woods.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2015 03:50 PM (E9ede)

298 All is well!!

Posted by: The Libertarian Party at December 17, 2015 03:51 PM (EHU9F)

299 Yes. I don't believe him.
Posted by: Kensington at December 17, 2015 03:48 PM (7Kbxu)

Ok man

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 03:51 PM (xuouz)

300
I don't give a shit honestly. Despite all the mewling in the comments, the labor market here is extremely tight.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head



Where might "here" be? There are always pockets where demand and supply haven't lined up.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 03:51 PM (kdS6q)

301 Nevergiveup,
I was being sarcastic. Now I find that I was right.
Thank you for correction.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:51 PM (sj3Ax)

302 145 But what if the Disney imports are hot Eastern European chicks?


*goes back to see if this has already been asked 300 times in 100 comments*

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at December 17, 2015 03:24 PM (1xUj/)

Hmm.... Gamechanger.

I do love going to the Norway land at Epcot and ogling...er meeting the exchange workers.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 17, 2015 03:51 PM (t06LC)

303 Since employers must pay the local prevailing wage to H2B visa holders, is there any chance employers are using the program to fill temporary slots rather than butt-plundering U.S. workers?

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 17, 2015 03:52 PM (WrzSn)

304 Leftists and too many Rightists deride these jobs with terms like "McJob", but a lot of really high flyers started out there.

Yeah, I'm with Mike Rowe on work: its good. Even a 'bad' job can be good in that it gives you wages, teaches you skills and self discipline, to work with others, etc, and gives you a start on the way to better work.

But let's not pretend that there are not a lot of employers out there with unrealistically high expectations and demands of workers for unreasonably low pay. Particularly in a work climate right now. You open up a job, you'll get a lot of applicants and can pick who you want and pay them less than you might have to in another environment. Employers are going to do that.

To one extent, that's okay: nobody owes anyone else work. A job is a privilege, a gift from the employer. They do not exist to give you a nice job and pay you well. The guy who owns that business is there for the same reason as the mail room clerk: to get paid.

But ethically, employers should pay what the job is worth. Its smarter (Ford figured that out with his factories) and you attract better workers, but too many businesses are more than willing to get by on barely good enough and low pay with shoddy product for as much as they can make.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 03:52 PM (39g3+)

305

You are a wise and beneficent ruler, Empress.
Posted by: physics geek at December 17, 2015 03:45 PM (MT22W)

uhhh... whoozatt?

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 17, 2015 03:52 PM (ztYE8)

306 There are 55M people on some kind of govt assistance right now. But yeah, we have a huge fucking shortage of workers.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:52 PM (0LHZx)

307 You're leaving out the fact that employers are requiring greater skill levels for less money.

Yes, I left out the whiner's lament. What a complete load of horseshit.


According to GOPe shills like Gristle Encased Head think saving 5 cents an hour on labor costs for 200K is more benefical to the country than having 200K Americans on welfare for life.

If those 200k Americans are on welfare for life because another guy was willing to take his shitty job for slightly less money, isn't that more of a problem with the welfare system? I suppose next you'll want to outlaw any technology that might displace some slackjawed dumbshit from his sign twirling job.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2015 03:53 PM (1RNgT)

308 A huge problem is that employers of low wage workers are competing with the welfare state.
If you didn't apply for at least two jobs this week, with proof, no benefits.
If you turned down a job, any job, no benefits.
Problem solved.

Posted by: Happy clinger at December 17, 2015 03:53 PM (k8tEg)

309 I was trying to explain to my son that I started working as a restaurant dishwasher at age 13. It taught me the value of hard work and how to work with non-family adults. It was great experience and almost all of my friends had similar jobs at that age. Those jobs are not available anymore.

Gordon Ramsey started off as a dishwasher. True fact.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2015 03:53 PM (jhqr1)

310 Next week is Senator Sessions birthday. He said Cruz is right, not the lying Rubio.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 03:53 PM (sj3Ax)

311 Oooooooooo, that's gonna leave a mark.

Posted by: Gulermo, (sure go wth that one) at December 17, 2015 03:53 PM (ymhTd)

312 "I keep hearing people on the radio talking about how the low unemployment rate demonstrates how great the economy is."

...all graduates of fine public high schools.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at December 17, 2015 03:53 PM (WWdgA)

313 But what if the Disney imports are hot Eastern European chicks

The problem with hot Eastern European chicks is that they have a terrible work ethic, smoke like a chimney, and can drink Shakes the Clown under the table.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 03:53 PM (39g3+)

314 Moar Barishnikov:

https://youtu.be/l5AP33ygcKY

*deducts from your gay cred*

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches


Ah well. That's an amazing clip.

I saw him in person once with the ABT. Seemed stockier in person than on the screen.

And all the spinning around threw sheets of sweat, made me realize what an athlete he was.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at December 17, 2015 03:53 PM (1xUj/)

315 303 Since employers must pay the local prevailing wage to H2B visa holders, is there any chance employers are using the program to fill temporary slots rather than butt-plundering U.S. workers?
Posted by: spongeworthy at December 17, 2015 03:52 PM (WrzSn)
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Oh yeah and all employers pay that prevailing wage. Just like all H1Bs make a "prevailing wage" as well. Be right back, my unicorn just arrived by UPS.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:53 PM (0LHZx)

316 You are most welcome Empress.

So got the movie playing... and I have obviously watched it too many times as I know the dialogue. The Geek is strong in me obviously.

When I bought my ticket yesterday for tonight, ticket seller asked if I was going to dress in costume. I demurred. Besides in the Star Wars movie franchises I can't remember a single cat-girl. Maybe they will fix that with the new series.

Nyah?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 03:54 PM (iomlS)

317 "... find out how many of them once held a fast food job. "

H2B visas are NOT for fast-food jobs.

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 17, 2015 03:54 PM (WrzSn)

318 Basic econ 101. When there is a shortage of supply, increase the price offered, and supply will increase. Not enough workers? Simple solution. Pay more. And you'll see the supply of workers increase in no time.

Partly true, but there's also the issue of "perceived value" where a lot of folks who might once have seen the worth of those jobs have been conditioned not to. The solution to that, not so simple.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 17, 2015 03:54 PM (9krrF)

319 94 million+ out of the labor force

in what future is this a good idea?

"idle hands are the devil's playground"

hence Ferguson

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 03:54 PM (Alf87)

320 Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at December 17, 2015 03:13 PM (mf5HN)


Part of me wishes you had started naming people during your rant on the podcast.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 17, 2015 03:54 PM (Po0i2)

321 I love the line that they have grown "intolerably odious". If that's not just the perfect description of the Uniparty, nothing is.

I wish someone had the skill to go into Elizabethan English and do some epic elegant cussing them out. You know, easily letting fly, "Hie thee from this place thou odious ogres!" and stuff.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 17, 2015 03:54 PM (dvuhZ)

322 "Once a potential employer sees a resume with good qualifications and decades of experience, he or she thinks to him or herself, "Damn, this person will want a fortune in pay." and promptly shitcans the resume."

I had a few days of job readiness training this week. Christ, the petty-ass sh!t they emphasize: Bulleted items must NEVER end with a period. "Avenue" and "Street" MUST be spelled out, never abbreviated. NEVER show the date of a prior job if it's older than five years.

And then the interview coaching: "Lie about everything they can't verify, and tell the truth about everything they can." All the hoops you have to jump thru just to get past the damn power-tripping gatekeepers. If any business owner tells you he can't find qualified help, tell him to take a close look at what his HR department is doing. They're assholes.

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 03:54 PM (mk9aG)

323 Wait till they start hiring the invaders for Police Departments.

then we'll see some fun. no allegiance to some "constitution" or "the electorate" they'll be beholden to the people who got them the job and tell them what to do or lose the job.

Just the kind of police force Obama was talking about.

Then we'll see whether those 300 million guns means anything or not.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 17, 2015 03:54 PM (Xo1Rt)

324 Yes. I don't believe him.

===

You ought to. He's not a politician.

Posted by: Bigby's Finger Foods at December 17, 2015 03:54 PM (3ZtZW)

325 If those 200k Americans are on welfare for life because another guy was willing to take his shitty job for slightly less money, isn't that more of a problem with the welfare system? I suppose next you'll want to outlaw any technology that might displace some slackjawed dumbshit from his sign twirling job.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2015 03:53 PM (1RNgT)

___

You're either obtuse or a jackass.

Which is it?

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:54 PM (0LHZx)

326 "Reality: there aren't enough workers **WILLING TO WORK AS SLAVES**"


I'll bet there are plenty of people who would sign a "slavery" contract.

They would be clothed, sheltered, fed, educated and protected in exchange for doing whatever they are told to do.

If it was legal to do, the lines to sign up would stretch around the block.

Posted by: jwest at December 17, 2015 03:54 PM (Zs4uk)

327 Eloquent, Ace.

And every #%@$&$ word of it true.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 17, 2015 03:54 PM (erRNA)

328 That's always been true, and I'm fine with it. But how do I get in the fricking door?

Posted by: gp


You can't because they can always hire a H1B who has the bare minimum required and none of the problems with being abused.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 17, 2015 03:55 PM (9YDUz)

329 Government should treat America as a corporation, so we might sign up foreign talent, but not to replace American talent. "AmeriCorp" still has to pay the replaced worker, so it is not profitable to replace him. (if our government was looking out for America as a whole, not just the CoCs).

But obviously congress grows its own power by selling out Free America a chunk at a time. All those liberties bought with blood and toil can be sold to the highest bidder, via the DC Cartel.

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 17, 2015 03:55 PM (26Yu7)

330 313 But what if the Disney imports are hot Eastern European chicks

The problem with hot Eastern European chicks is that they have a terrible work ethic, smoke like a chimney, and can drink Shakes the Clown under the table.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 03:53 PM (39g3+)

But, they are really open to anonymous sex.

Remember, if she smokes, she pokes.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 17, 2015 03:55 PM (t06LC)

331 Please nuke Washington DC.

We're all going to lose relatives, friends and Morons. There will still be little dark corners of our hearts cheering, thousands of thousands of them.

Posted by: DaveA at December 17, 2015 03:55 PM (DL2i+)

332 Gordon Ramsey started off as a dishwasher. True fact.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2015 03:53 PM (jhqr1)


Gordon Ramsey started off poor as fuck.

Hard work got him where he is.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 17, 2015 03:55 PM (0cMkb)

333 We're having a hard time finding maintenance personnel at our plant.

Night time shift work nobody wants to do.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at December 17, 2015 03:55 PM (LXJ1e)

334 Got to love the "Ryan gives it all away" headline on Drudge.

Posted by: Seems legit at December 17, 2015 03:56 PM (OWndX)

335 bander

look at this Russian dude leaping around

http://bit.ly/1IbTDD8

impressive, but not as big a crowd as this

http://bit.ly/1ZeAEMo

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 03:56 PM (Alf87)

336 "Work is a tangible connection, reinforced every hour of every day of every week, between present labor and good habits and future gain."

That's the idea. Sometimes you get boned in the ass regardless, but that doesn't mean the principle should be abandoned or discouraged.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 03:56 PM (kpqmD)

337 "248 I agree. I have a person who's working as a admin/receptionist, who said she didn't go to college to be a receptionist. Too damn bad! Colleges are turning out kids not equipped to problem solve, especially to improve their own situations. Rather than say "I don't want to file", how about you figure out how to make yourself invaluable to the company, eh? It's called work for a reason.
Posted by: Chicagolurker at December 17, 2015 03:49 PM"


My secretary is a recent college grad. She is a huge lib, but otherwise a hard worker and nice kid. I have hope for her....

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 17, 2015 03:56 PM (OD2ni)

338 Partly true, but there's also the issue of "perceived value" where a lot of folks who might once have seen the worth of those jobs have been conditioned not to. The solution to that, not so simple.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 17, 2015 03:54 PM (9krrF)

____

Bullshit. Everyone has a price for just about anything. Offer $200 an hour to clean toliets the line will be a mile long full of candidates.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:56 PM (0LHZx)

339
If those 200k Americans are on welfare for life because another guy was willing to take his shitty job for slightly less money, isn't that more of a problem with the welfare system? I suppose next you'll want to outlaw any technology that might displace some slackjawed dumbshit from his sign twirling job.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2015 03:53 PM (1RNgT)



Do you care whether the person taking the job was an American, yes or no?

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at December 17, 2015 03:56 PM (mf5HN)

340 Just ask anyone who has looked at their local and state taxes, or perhaps has attended a local school board meeting lately, what the costs of unfettered immigration are.

Maybe you can even ask one of the thousands of people who have given up looking for work according to the U-6.

Then ask yourself whether they would rather have oil companies export oil or stop unchecked immigration and the replacement of the U.S. workforce by foreign workers.

Remember when cogitating this, the American workers are the ones who vote, not the oil companies or even Disney.

Do you really think these people are going to vote for Republicans because the "other guy" sucks so much?

Yet, the loathing for Washington alludes them.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 17, 2015 03:57 PM (GGCsk)

341 Gordon Ramsey started off as a dishwasher

I bet he was the best, most motivated, and hustling dishwasher they ever had, too.

Yes, I left out the whiner's lament.

No, its not junk or a whine. When a business has more applicants than jobs, when its a hirer's market, suddenly their requirements go up and pay goes down. Don't pretend that you aren't aware of this.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 03:57 PM (39g3+)

342 Uhm, odd choice of stocking stuff this would be

http://www.e2046.com/product/Mika+the+Latex+Cat/7263/

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 03:57 PM (iomlS)

343 I have never been to Disney World. I have no use for "Amusement Parks" and I quite frankly dont see why a poor person would waste money on something like that. \
Posted by: Begonia at December 17, 2015 03:50 PM (dibrq)

Yeeeessss... Let the fools their tar-tar sauce...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7N8fG8gfZY

Posted by: Begoniary Burns at December 17, 2015 03:58 PM (ztYE8)

344 Not an original observation, but-

Yes, this is the new Gilded Age.

And yes, the Robber Barons comprise the entire government now.

Turtle and Eddie Munster needs to start wearing a top hat, monocle, and a pocket watch with a long gold watch chain.

Oh and spats...they mustn't forget the spats.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 17, 2015 03:58 PM (0cMkb)

345 >>> "Work is a tangible connection, reinforced every hour of every day of every week, between present labor and good habits and future gain."

That's the idea. Sometimes you get boned in the ass regardless, but that doesn't mean the principle should be abandoned or discouraged.

...

sometimes that's actually specified in the contract.

Posted by: Nina Hartley at December 17, 2015 03:58 PM (dciA+)

346 "Once a potential employer sees a resume with good qualifications and decades of experience, he or she thinks to him or herself, "Damn, this person will want a fortune in pay." and promptly shitcans the resume."

There's that too. You have the qualifications and experience, you're "overqualified." If you're fresh out of school, they want somebody with experience. Meanwhile, the applicant just wants a fucking job.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 03:59 PM (kpqmD)

347 I have never been to Disney World. I have no use for "Amusement Parks" and I quite frankly dont see why a poor person would waste money on something like that. Posted by: Begonia at December 17, 2015 03:50 PM (dibrq)

Only a sock would put scare quotes around "Amusement Parks", Begonia. You're overdoing it. Turn it down a little.

Posted by: troyriser at December 17, 2015 03:59 PM (UWlp+)

348 jwest

I once asked college students something similar

they split 70/30 for slavery, ie "guaranteed job" after graduation

we are producing generation upon generation of risk-averse males and females, and we do this by habituating them to the pleasure of tiny risks

so they'll never take big ones

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 03:59 PM (Alf87)

349 *hands AlextheChick some power converters for the Symbian*

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 03:59 PM (iomlS)

350 I suppose next you'll want to outlaw any technology that might displace some slackjawed dumbshit from his sign twirling job.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head


Just out of curiosity what exactly will you do when you arrive at work Monday and are told that you will be training your HB1 replacement who will be starting on Jan. 3rd?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 17, 2015 03:59 PM (9YDUz)

351
Muzzie don't surf. He bodysurfs.

Posted by: Lt. Colonel Kilgore at December 17, 2015 04:00 PM (HgMAr)

352 "I'll bet there are plenty of people who would sign a "slavery" contract." Indentured servants, and they were are large portion of the people who founded America. There were more of them than there were real slave-slaves.

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 04:00 PM (mk9aG)

353 All the hoops you have to jump thru just to get past the damn power-tripping gatekeepers. If any business owner tells you he can't find qualified help, tell him to take a close look at what his HR department is doing. They're assholes.

As a computer guy who is constantly watching for new jobs, I'm well familiar with how bad HR often is. They're the ones writing the job requirements. Why is it that I get in the door with job experience that matches the requirements, only to be grilled on a core technology I've not listed on my resume and shows up nowhere in the requirement?

Why does it sometimes take HR a month and a half to do onboarding paperwork when other companies manage it in three days?

Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2015 04:00 PM (jhqr1)

354 sometimes that's actually specified in the contract.
Posted by: Nina Hartley at December 17, 2015 03:58 PM (dciA+)

You know...I was speaking metaphorically but I really can't say you're wrong.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:00 PM (kpqmD)

355 I agree. I have a person who's working as a admin/receptionist, who said she didn't go to college to be a receptionist. Too damn bad! Colleges are turning out kids not equipped to problem solve, especially to improve their own situations. Rather than say "I don't want to file", how about you figure out how to make yourself invaluable to the company, eh? It's called work for a reason.
Posted by: Chicagolurker



Then there are some of us who can't have the job, regardless of how well we could do it, because we don't have a degrees.
After 26 & 1/2 years, if I wasn't good enough, you'd think the company would have already gotten rid of me.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2015 04:00 PM (E9ede)

356 "Once we're all receiving our gruel rations in government welfare camps, we'll be even More Globally Competitive (TM)."

::: stamps foot indignantly :::

"Government welfare camps", honestly.

That nomenclature is *so* outdated. We haven't used it for years!

Get with the times! It's the 21st century!

Posted by: Happy Fun Camp Activities Director at December 17, 2015 04:00 PM (noWW6)

357 Enjoy the decline! See you all soon!

Posted by: GrimmReaper at December 17, 2015 04:00 PM (/TQ6p)

358 139 If the GOPe "goes 3rd party" themselves in response to a nominee they don't like, then that will be the breakup of the party. It'll be dead Jim, Whig dead.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 17, 2015 03:23 PM (dvuhZ)

Stop teasing me!

Posted by: Drill Thrawl at December 17, 2015 04:00 PM (JOG+K)

359 Oh the government is frightful
but my matches are so delightful
Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, he's just a crazy Italian who drove a red sports car at December 17, 2015 04:01 PM (voOPb)

360 One of your best posts, Ace.

Posted by: Rusty at December 17, 2015 04:01 PM (g9JyI)

361 I have a person who's working as a admin/receptionist, who said she didn't go to college to be a receptionist.

Anyone who went to college as a glorified, insanely expensive trade school is an idiot who deserves the job and massive debt they end up with.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 04:01 PM (39g3+)

362 we are producing generation upon generation of risk-averse males and females, and we do this by habituating them to the pleasure of tiny risks

so they'll never take big ones
Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 03:59 PM (Alf87)

And it starts with threatening parents with prison for letting their kids walk home from the suburban neighborhood playground by themselves.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:02 PM (kpqmD)

363 IBD had one last night where Ryan called budget inherited from Boner was a "crap sandwich" but he didn't stop it!

Time for a Conservative Party. Republicans are dead to me!

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 04:02 PM (sj3Ax)

364 Any trade outside our borders, or immigration across our borders ... should be treated more in terms of warfare. Will this make us stronger, will it hurt our citizens, are we trading with allies?

We are not citizens of the world, just because Obama relates more to Islam than America ... "city denizens" would be a basic root of citizen. People that share real bonds, face to face, known families, common roots, established values.

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 17, 2015 04:02 PM (26Yu7)

365 Bullshit. Everyone has a price for just about anything. Offer $200 an hour to clean toliets the line will be a mile long full of candidates.

Not all prices are monetary. Not all worth is measured in dollars and cents. Externalities, if I recall the term right, I'm a little rusty on the theory. Folks see jobs as "dead-end", or feel entitled to better ones, or look at the compensation and realize they can get more worth on the dole, there's any number of reasons. And equal numbers of things that need to be done to correct them.

It's a frakking mess, it is. Though I agree about paying more as a general rule. It's beyond pathetic that average real income has been sideways to downwards since I graduated college twentyodd years ago.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 17, 2015 04:02 PM (9krrF)

366 Anyone who went to college as a glorified, insanely expensive trade school is an idiot who deserves the job and massive debt they end up with.

Wait, what?

So every engineer or programmer wasted their money?

Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2015 04:02 PM (jhqr1)

367 "Then there are some of us who can't have the job, regardless of how well we could do it, because we don't have a degrees."

_Griggs v. Duke Power_, anyone?

Posted by: torquewrench at December 17, 2015 04:02 PM (noWW6)

368 Gild your loins!

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 17, 2015 04:03 PM (HgMAr)

369 Data indicates that, on net, every job created in America since 2007 has gone to an immigrant.

How is that even possible? It must indicate a systemic problem with our country.

The answer from our country's leadership is that American's are too lazy ("jobs Americans just won't do").

Posted by: Make America Great Again at December 17, 2015 04:03 PM (LXJ1e)

370 Ace, this is really too negative. There's gonna be a ton of work providing sexual services to the Chinese and Indians taking our jobs. USA!! USA!!

Posted by: Jihadi at December 17, 2015 04:03 PM (0Rvqx)

371 I honestly think the politicians no longer care about their constituents. I feel like we (or at least I) know longer have any say in this country. I think that the only way they are going to start listening to us is if we start killing a few of them. Maybe if they know they might pay with their life for voting against the interests of their constituents they will stop this? I just don't know what else will work...

Posted by: CHris at December 17, 2015 04:03 PM (LLpg9)

372 So every engineer or programmer wasted their money?
Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2015 04:02 PM (jhqr1)

Just the ones getting shitcanned and forced to train their H1B replacements.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:04 PM (kpqmD)

373 Just had to slog my way through another compliance class in a gauntlet of such courses, even as Madame Secretary is campaigning freely instead of swinging from the gibbet for her security violations, and to top it off I have to hear a couple senior guys call Trump a proto-fascist. Never a word about Clinton!

Eff it all.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 17, 2015 04:04 PM (BKV7y)

374 Turtle and Eddie Munster needs to start wearing a top hat, monocle, and a pocket watch with a long gold watch chain.

Oh and spats...they mustn't forget the spats.


That would actually be awesome.

"I'll bet there are plenty of people who would sign a "slavery" contract." Indentured servants

While I have no problem with this in principle, I doubt you could find one in 5000 who'd even consider that. The rest would scream about being under-appreciated and overqualified and how they deserve better and on and on.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 04:04 PM (39g3+)

375 Is this the Christmas present Ryan & McConnell gave U. S. Citizens?

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 04:04 PM (sj3Ax)

376 Hahahahahahaha! You effedup and trusted us! Silly conservatives.

Posted by: John Fremont's Party at December 17, 2015 04:04 PM (/TQ6p)

377 with only a month to try to do better?

The idea that it takes these guys this long to do or undo anything is ludicrous. It only abets the ridiculous folly that they're "working". Any Moron here could go thru this shitpile in a week and cut it down to size.

Posted by: DaveA at December 17, 2015 04:04 PM (DL2i+)

378 illiniwek

I'm sure that's racist

somehow

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 04:04 PM (Alf87)

379 thanks Rusty!

Posted by: ace at December 17, 2015 04:05 PM (dciA+)

380 Only a sock would put scare quotes around "Amusement Parks", Begonia. You're overdoing it. Turn it down a little.

Posted by: troyriser at December 17, 2015 03:59 PM (UWlp+)
_____

Yes, yes, yes, I know the song: sock, sock, sock, troll, troll, troll. Why would it occur to anyone that people can have disagreements, including on what is amusing and what isnt.

Posted by: Begonia at December 17, 2015 04:05 PM (dibrq)

381 *serves All Hail Eris a tall flagon of honey-mead*

Are you going to brave Star Wars tonight?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 04:05 PM (iomlS)

382 304 -
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 03:52 PM (39g3+)

100% agree.
Just as an employer don't complain when your offering 45k for some guy that's got 15yr experience in A, 15yr in B, 10+ in C and 20+ in D, etc, and want them to put in 60hr weeks and be on call 24x7, when the going rate is double (or more) that. You might still find someone (supply\demand and yeah nobody is owed anything) but don't be surprised if it takes forever. The solution isn't to get congress to let you import someone desperate from from another country, it's adjust your requirements (take on a little more risk) or adjust your offer. Vast majority of time if you make those adjustment you'll find someone, usually pretty quick.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 04:05 PM (MbrzC)

383 Employers must advertise jobs to American workers first, with stringent requirements for compliance. And if a local union covers workers that might qualify for the open slots, the union must certify they could not provide workers to fill the slots.

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 17, 2015 04:05 PM (WrzSn)

384 Only bright spot of the day was reading this, Ace. Everything else I read is giving me the runs...

Posted by: Scott at December 17, 2015 04:05 PM (Bo7uZ)

385 this "omnibus spending bill" bullshit has to go

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 04:05 PM (Alf87)

386 It's really quite simple: Consider two water columns, well one is a column, the other is a huge honking tank. The water level in the column is way up there, relative to the level in the huge tank. Now, open the valve between them. What happens to the water level?

The level in the small column quickly drops to that of the tank, whose own water level rises a vanishingly small amount.

Opening that valve is the immigration of cheap 3rd world labor. The water level is the standard of living.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 17, 2015 04:05 PM (dvuhZ)

387 So every engineer or programmer wasted their money?

If you put yourself into debt over a hundred thousand dollars trying to get a job... you deserve what you get.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 04:06 PM (39g3+)

388 Seriously how is are economy going to grow without plenty of Indians and Chinese with fake ass degrees!

Posted by: Jihadi at December 17, 2015 04:06 PM (0Rvqx)

389 >>Second look at Tea Party craft sales and rallies?

the tea party, or something like it, needs to become more organized and formal, and begin demanding Republican officeholders justify voting for them.

If they can't make the case, the Tea Party issues and official "NO RECOMMENDATION" letter. They stay home or vote third party. (Well, they can do what they please, but the idea is that many would opt for those options.)

and they need to do this a lot.

Posted by: ace at December 17, 2015 04:06 PM (dciA+)

390 *serves All Hail Eris a tall flagon of honey-mead*

Isn't "honey-mead" redundant?

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:07 PM (kpqmD)

391 we are producing generation upon generation of risk-averse males and females, and we do this by habituating them to the pleasure of tiny risks

so they'll never take big ones
Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 03:59 PM (Alf87)



I saw a very interesting theory the other day that getting into elite colleges requires risk aversion because you can't ever have anything but perfect marks, etc., and then being there perpetuates that notion and that as a result the kids that graduate from those schools will find the concept of risk to be terrifying and thus will not go into unknown fields or take chances in known field.

I'm going to carve out the hard sciences from this as the goal there is to push the edge of knowledge though I'm reading some frankly horrifying articles that the publish perish paradigm is so strong that it is creating a culture where borderline if not outright scientific fraud is acceptable because you MUST get a positive result.

But I digress.

It does seem that the very notion that, hey, life is risky is anathema to many, many, many people. You can't make life risk free. You just can't.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at December 17, 2015 04:07 PM (mf5HN)

392 367 "Then there are some of us who can't have the job, regardless of how well we could do it, because we don't have a degrees."


My top manufacturing engineer never graduated high school, but we paid him just under 200K/year until he retired.

Offered him 250K/year to hold off retirement for 3 years, but he said he was too worn out.

Posted by: jwest at December 17, 2015 04:07 PM (Zs4uk)

393 Begonia is Average Joe - now with an extended service plan.

Posted by: DaveA at December 17, 2015 04:07 PM (DL2i+)

394 *serves All Hail Eris a tall flagon of honey-mead*

Isn't "honey-mead" redundant?


No worse than "assless chaps".

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 17, 2015 04:07 PM (9krrF)

395 Ace,
Absolutely spot on and, IMHO, some of your best work.

Posted by: FriedFish at December 17, 2015 04:08 PM (tOu2N)

396 355 "Then there are some of us who can't have the job, regardless of how well we could do it, because we don't have a degrees.
After 26 & 1/2 years, if I wasn't good enough, you'd think the company would have already gotten rid of me.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2015 04:00 PM (E9ede)"

We don't require college degrees for most positions, I try to look past that now because I don't think it holds as much value as it did in the past. The common sense level among younger people is frustrating. We have a couple great 30 somethings who really get it, and they have turned into our leaders. Neither has a college degree.

Someone else mentioned Mike Rowe, I really like his ability to make a point and continue to argue it with his followers. Just plain old common sense.

Posted by: Chicagolurker at December 17, 2015 04:08 PM (X4zfU)

397 One of your best posts, Ace.
Posted by: Rusty


Indeed. The only thing missing was ungrateful bread.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 17, 2015 04:08 PM (FkBIv)

398 Depending on politicians to insulate you from incompetence and lack of ambition doesn't work very well. Isn't this why houses in Detroit sell for $20?
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2015 03:10 PM (1RNgT)

This happens to even motivated, skilled people. Yes, it is a protection racket because they are citizens of this country.

Posted by: WOPR at December 17, 2015 04:08 PM (LTDSy)

399 @353: Spot on. In my experience, HR gets their orders from the execs who want cheap workers, not the best person for the job. In most cases, that means H-1B. I laugh when I apply for senior developer positions, and on my first call with HR, they tell me the most they can offer is $20K below the local prevailing wage for that position. The times I've told them, "that's ok with me," they're silent for a few moments and then respond with, "well, I wouldn't feel comfortable offering you a salary that is less than what you're making now."

Posted by: Jack Large aka Unspeakably Violent Jack, the Bull-Buggering, Priest-Killer of No Fixed Abode at December 17, 2015 04:08 PM (g9JyI)

400 "You can't make life risk free. You just can't."

if they accepted risk, they wouldn't be loyal customers

brand 'em

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 04:09 PM (Alf87)

401 And this is for Lizzy and Lea, for getting it right:
http://bit.ly/1ew5bN7 Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at December 17, 2015 03:46 PM (mf5HN)


Bless your heart! In the good way : )

Posted by: Lea at December 17, 2015 04:09 PM (lIU4e)

402 the tea party, or something like it, needs to become more organized and formal, and begin demanding Republican officeholders justify voting for them.

If they can't make the case, the Tea Party issues and official "NO RECOMMENDATION" letter. They stay home or vote third party. (Well, they can do what they please, but the idea is that many would opt for those options.)

and they need to do this a lot.

Posted by: ace at December 17, 2015 04:06 PM (dciA+)

------------

Probably the smartest think said on this blog since 2010.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at December 17, 2015 04:09 PM (LXJ1e)

403 Eff it all.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 17, 2015 04:04 PM


You could run over to Tepid Air, where The Corpulent "Captain" is asking if it's time for a second look at Chris Christie....

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 17, 2015 04:09 PM (ykopX)

404 "this 'omnibus spending bill' bullshit has to go"

We have had an insight offered up by rhomboid, to the effect that there is a spectrum which has regular-order federal budgeting on one end, and on the other end, federal budgeting via continuing resolutions/omnibuses/cromnibuses.

Regular order budgeting shifts the balance of power between Congress and the White House towards Congress.

CRs, omnibuses, and cromnibuses shift the balance of power between Congress and the White House toward the White House.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 17, 2015 04:09 PM (noWW6)

405 Oh the government is frightful
but my matches are so delightful
Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn.

====

YOU'RE WELCOME

/frozen body of the Little Matchstick Girl

Posted by: Bigby's Finger Foods at December 17, 2015 04:10 PM (3ZtZW)

406 the tea party, or something like it, needs to become more organized and formal, and begin demanding Republican officeholders justify voting for them.

I would argue that it needs to be less organized and formal, and more just grass roots passive and foot-dragging resistance. Stop playing by the rules, stop obeying the law, stop complying, stop going along, stop being a good citizen.

Then there are some of us who can't have the job, regardless of how well we could do it, because we don't have a degrees.

There is less of that than there used to be, but its still way too common. Basically it requires no thought or judgment to pick someone based on their degree and grades, so lazy, worthless, and stupid employers (or their HR department) go that route.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 04:10 PM (39g3+)

407 No thank you, Mr. Scribbler.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 04:11 PM (sj3Ax)

408 Just out of curiosity what exactly will you do when you arrive at work Monday and are told that you will be training your HB1 replacement who will be starting on Jan. 3rd?

I can't imagine being so dependent on an employer where something like that would actually sound scary. If you have valuable skills and a network, finding a job isn't a problem.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2015 04:11 PM (1RNgT)

409 Thanks for the link, AtC!!
(and for giving me an excuse to bing "tom hiddleston shirtless")

Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2015 04:11 PM (NOIQH)

410 "Anyone who went to college as a glorified, insanely expensive trade school is an idiot who deserves the job and massive debt they end up with." Well, I worked my way thru school, and didn't take out any loans for my MSCS.

Lot of good it is 20 years later! The lifetime of IT tech skills is measured in months now. Everybody wants people who have five years experience with tools that have existed only since last year. Foundation skills, theoretical knowledge, general experience count for nothing; all they want to know is can you develop with tool XYZ from day one. Trouble is, tool XYZ is an enterprise tool that costs $500K, and there's no way I can afford to buy it to learn it. Jeeez, I can't even afford the latest Visual Studio anymore; back in the good old days (eight years ago) MS used to give it to me for free at the dev conferences.

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 04:11 PM (mk9aG)

411 Let's get our carpenters back to work through gallows construction. We're going to need them.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:11 PM (kpqmD)

412
My top manufacturing engineer never graduated high school, but we paid him just under 200K/year until he retired.

Offered him 250K/year to hold off retirement for 3 years, but he said he was too worn out.
Posted by: jwest at December 17, 2015 04:07 PM (Zs4uk)

--------------------------

jwest,

20 years engineering experience in manufacturing. Give me a ring!

Posted by: Make America Great Again at December 17, 2015 04:11 PM (LXJ1e)

413 @367 torquewrench

Griggs v. Duke Power is one of the most pernicious SCOTUS decisions ever, and contrary to the express legislative intent of Congress.

It's why "everyone has to go to college"

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 17, 2015 04:11 PM (r1fLd)

414 Well said, Ace. Put this one on the required reading list.

Posted by: goon at December 17, 2015 04:12 PM (gy5kE)

415 I'm told those Louisiana boys in Plaquemines parish get an AA degree and start at the Dow plant making $90k to monitor and replace parts

they double up sometimes and go fishing for six weeks

whee

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 04:12 PM (Alf87)

416 Amazing post, Ace. Had to read it a few times to fully appreciate it. No shortage of local fresh graduates applying for entry level environmental engineering jobs at my company, we certainly do not see a need to look at H1B visa holders unless there is one that is truly exceptional.

Posted by: IC at December 17, 2015 04:12 PM (a0IVu)

417 If any business owner tells you he can't find qualified help, tell him to take a close look at what his HR department is doing. They're assholes.

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 03:54 PM (mk9aG)
---
A nearly universal truth in my experience, and often seem to take pride in it. lol

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 04:13 PM (MbrzC)

418 ♫♪♫♪

Who's the leader of the club?
That's made for you and me?
C-R-O...N-E-Y
M-O-U-S-E


C-R-O...Oh we're screwed

N-E-Y...Why? Because we trusted them

M-O-U-S-E

Croney Mouse! Croney Mouse!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 17, 2015 04:13 PM (NeFrd)

419 *quaffs mead*
Thanks Anna! A pod of us geeks is going tomorrow at noon

Posted by: All Hail Eris at December 17, 2015 04:13 PM (BKV7y)

420 the real geniuses are the GOP Consultant Class and the GOP Establishment, which are doing their level best to turn America into the hellish dystopia of the ultrarich and animal-existence poor which is so frequently used as a propaganda device against the GOP in futuristic fantasies made by, get this, movie studios like Disney.

That's just it. The GOP has turned into its caricature, just like the Democrats have. They've become their extreme. The GOP is simply a tool of the ultra rich, and the Dems are hard core leftists. That's all we have now.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 04:13 PM (39g3+)

421 "I'll bet there are plenty of people who would sign a "slavery"
contract." Indentured servants, and they were are large portion of the
people who founded America. There were more of them than there were
real slave-slaves.
===========
Point of order--they were slaves. Indentured was just semantics.

And they were treated often far worse than actual slaves.
As I understand it, "indentured servants" was a way for the good, English Christians at the time to rationalize the enslavement of the Irish.

And, IIRC, the first actual slave was an indentured servant a black man didn't want to let out of his "contract."

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 17, 2015 04:13 PM (fQ/0p)

422
404 "this 'omnibus spending bill' bullshit has to go"

We have had an insight offered up by rhomboid, to the effect that there is a spectrum which has regular-order federal budgeting on one end, and on the other end, federal budgeting via continuing resolutions/omnibuses/cromnibuses.

Regular order budgeting shifts the balance of power between Congress and the White House towards Congress.

CRs, omnibuses, and cromnibuses shift the balance of power between Congress and the White House toward the White House.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 17, 2015 04:09 PM (noWW6)



So what you're saying is vote Trump because that's probably the only way in hell that congress is ever going to try and take back power from the executive branch.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 17, 2015 04:15 PM (Po0i2)

423 The House just passed a $622 billion "tax cut" bill. I am assuming these two are linked politically as Democrats are howling.

I'll wait to read the text...

Posted by: Marcus T at December 17, 2015 04:15 PM (GGCsk)

424 Homeland's Season Finale is Sunday.
I haven't watched it since third season.

We don't even have that, Ace.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 04:15 PM (sj3Ax)

425 I don't know about this whole "slavery contract" notion, but I'm sure there are plenty of folks who would work for in-kind compensation (such as room and board) at least on a temporary basis.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:15 PM (kpqmD)

426 Economists and the libertarian types who parrot them when it suits their open borders arguments love to argue that free trade makes everyone better off, increasing the pie. And I think I saw a variation of that argument in small made above somewhere.

It's true, it does increase the "pie" but that's in the collective sense. It's says nothing about the relative distribution of that pie, which gets shifted all around.

So, first world worker makes $100 dollars. 10 third world slaves make $1 a piece for the same time. Now, open the valves and let the markets equalize. Everybody now makes $11.10 dollars.

Before the total was $110. Afterwards the total is $111. Yes, the collective is better off by a tiny amount, but the guy who was making $100 is royally fucked.

That's how this works.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 17, 2015 04:16 PM (dvuhZ)

427 Why? Because we trusted them

That's just it -- we didn't. We did in 2014, but that's a while ago now. Ryan took power because we are so enraged and don't trust them any more. Its just... there's nothing we can do about it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 04:16 PM (39g3+)

428 GOP = Grand Old Pu$$y

Have no idea if that will get me banned...but it needs to be said. It makes me feel better and I think it will make you feel better too...






Posted by: William Eaton at December 17, 2015 04:16 PM (q52Ma)

429 I can't imagine being so dependent on an employer where something like that would actually sound scary. If you have valuable skills and a network, finding a job isn't a problem.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head


You avoided the question entirely. I suspect you haven't thought this issue out as well as you should.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 17, 2015 04:16 PM (9YDUz)

430 Okay this is reasonably funny.

Via Insty-

Political Joke of the Day

http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2015/12/political-joke-of-day.html

Posted by: naturalfake at December 17, 2015 04:16 PM (0cMkb)

431 I can go along with that part about "drink up"! Numbing is good, both at the dentist, and here in our walkabout.

Posted by: goon at December 17, 2015 04:16 PM (gy5kE)

432 Well, I guess it's time for me to get a real weapon. Yes, a real weapon, not a pussy AR-15 covered up with useless do-dads designed for guys who are impressed with useless do-dads. A Springfield Socom-16 in 7.62x51. A real weapon. Down side; 2 grand.

http://goo.gl/kQ6Wya

Posted by: maddogg at December 17, 2015 04:16 PM (xWW96)

433 First post for this H2B poster!

Posted by: scrood H2B at December 17, 2015 04:16 PM (3b9U4)

434 sometimes that's actually specified in the contract.

Posted by: Nina Hartley at December 17, 2015 03:58 PM (dciA+)

+1 nice

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 04:16 PM (MbrzC)

435 >>ell him to take a close look at what his HR department is doing. They're assholes.


Yep, they're filtering resumes for key words and blowing off any actual human contact with prospects.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2015 04:16 PM (NOIQH)

436 So can Bevin mount a recall on Turtle? And whose up for a primary against Ryan.

I'm so sending Ted more money.

Posted by: Iblis at December 17, 2015 04:17 PM (9221z)

437 "The GOP is simply a tool of the ultra rich, and the Dems are hard core leftists."

there's less of a divide, I think

the socialist and the rich man need each other: the socialist needs the money, and the rich man needs the government boot on the neck of his competition

the one thing they agree on is "chris loses"

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 04:17 PM (Alf87)

438 I hope you enjoy it. I am counting down for tonight. 5.5 hours and then I see it in 3D but not the super duper XD 3D.

*checks schedule* The showing is now sold out. *foo*

What a wretched hive of fan-dom this might be.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 04:17 PM (iomlS)

439 Gander Mountain had .22LR hi-velocity on shelf today, lots of selection, 15 percent off list price. This, in the people's republic of Illinois, no IL FOID card needed if you're out of state.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 17, 2015 04:17 PM (6oclJ)

440 430 Okay this is reasonably funny.

Via Insty-

Political Joke of the Day

http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2015/12/political-joke-of-day.html

Posted by: naturalfake at December 17, 2015 04:16 PM (0cMkb)

There was a joke? All I saw was a blonde.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:18 PM (kpqmD)

441 That it's even part of the conversation has caught a few by surprise.

It's there so that Republicans can compromise by getting rid of it.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 17, 2015 04:18 PM (2lndx)

442 As I understand it, "indentured servants" was a way for the good, English Christians at the time to rationalize the enslavement of the Irish.

====

Rationalize? Irish were enslaved in Jamaica, etc during the same period. They were dropping like flies because of malaria and sunstroke and blacks were far more resistant to both. To this day, Jamaicans speak with a brogue because they were there at the same time, same place.

Posted by: Bigby's Finger Foods at December 17, 2015 04:18 PM (3ZtZW)

443 For an Amusement Park, this place sure is sad!

Posted by: scrood H2B at December 17, 2015 04:19 PM (3b9U4)

444 we are producing generation upon generation of risk-averse males and
females, and we do this by habituating them to the pleasure of tiny
risks
=====

This is amplified by our growing elderly population--the most risk-adverse of any age group--now controlling almost all of political life.

I've a nephew age 23, his dad, nearing retirement, doesn't want him moving to Vegas unless he has some $5k saved up.

That's the mindset--kids dont' want to take risks and parents encourage that.


Posted by: RoyalOil at December 17, 2015 04:19 PM (fQ/0p)

445 Croney Mouse! Croney Mouse!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 17, 2015 04:13 PM


I must say it seems strange tosee Disney going this route. I worked at Uncle Walt's studio about 30 years ago, and the employees were treated pretty well. The studio paid union scale, and their slow-going way of working meant there were times when plenty of overtime was offered. I did fairly well financially.

Of course that was when the family still owned the company, and was continuing Walt's ways of doing things. I was gone before Eisner and Co. came along.

I hated the place, but not for any reasons involving the current policies....

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 17, 2015 04:19 PM (ykopX)

446 >>>conomists and the libertarian types who parrot them when it suits their open borders arguments love to argue that free trade makes everyone better off, increasing the pie. And I think I saw a variation of that argument in small made above somewhere.


What's Good for GM is Good For the Country!

Posted by: Some Stupid Shit No One Has Seriously Said Since 1955, Until Now at December 17, 2015 04:19 PM (dciA+)

447 hahahaha

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 04:19 PM (Alf87)

448 there's less of a divide, I think

the socialist and the rich man need each other: the socialist needs the money, and the rich man needs the government boot on the neck of his competition


It's worse than that. They're often the same people.

After all, only the rich can afford to be socialists...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 17, 2015 04:19 PM (9krrF)

449 So, first world worker makes $100 dollars. 10 third world slaves make $1 a piece for the same time. Now, open the valves and let the markets equalize. Everybody now makes $11.10 dollars.

Before the total was $110. Afterwards the total is $111. Yes, the collective is better off by a tiny amount, but the guy who was making $100 is royally fucked.

That's how this works.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 17, 2015 04:16 PM (dvuhZ)

That's a pretty damn good illustration.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:19 PM (kpqmD)

450 Very thoughtful, articulate and interesting post. Thx for your time and effort, Ace.

And substantive discussion too! Enjoyable to read,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2015 04:20 PM (No/ki)

451 the tea party, or something like it, needs to become more organized and formal

The problem with becoming more organized and formal is that the people who enjoy organizing and formalizing are not usually the people who make the tea party great.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 17, 2015 04:20 PM (2lndx)

452 I think that the official AOSHQ H2B poster should incorporate the flaming skull into the layout. Oh, and a large bottle of Makers.

Posted by: goon at December 17, 2015 04:20 PM (gy5kE)

453 yeah. i remember when republicans opposed the minimum wage. Now they just oppose those who would work for less. F' em all. I'll be over here continue begging from the suckers who can't afford to hire me. Why vote? time is finite.

Posted by: realignment dreamer at December 17, 2015 04:20 PM (TqbUH)

454 As I understand it, "indentured servants" was a way for the good, English Christians at the time to rationalize the enslavement of the Irish.

While some did so, that was not the norm or the purpose of the system. Many people came to America on this system, paying their way by working for someone and simultaneously learning a trade.

Did some abuse the system? Sure. But most didn't and it worked out well.

And, IIRC, the first actual slave was an indentured servant a black man didn't want to let out of his "contract."

Slavery predated the US and England its self by tens of thousands of years.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 04:21 PM (39g3+)

455 Anyone else notice that you never see Obama and terrorists in the same place at the same time?

Posted by: Coinkidinky at December 17, 2015 04:21 PM (Y8P5w)

456 The middle class who is making Disney so dang rich at the moment off of their Star Wars merchandising juggernaut.


Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2015 03:09 PM (NOIQH)


Not this cowboy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2015 04:21 PM (7MWCL)

457 Slavery predated the US and England its self by tens of thousands of years.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 04:21 PM (39g3+)

Nonsense! It was invented by white, Christian, European males in the 16th century!

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:22 PM (kpqmD)

458 The GOP, in the name of political correctness, should pass federal law requiring anyone hiring one of these Obama migrants pay them a minimum of $20/hr. Would the Demotards not vote for that shit?

Posted by: maddogg at December 17, 2015 04:22 PM (xWW96)

459 There were English who were indentured servants too. My relative who come over on the Mayflower was one.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2015 04:22 PM (No/ki)

460 All the servants were indentured? Well, I guess preventive dentistry really wasn't as big a thing then as now.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:23 PM (kpqmD)

461 Employers must advertise jobs to American workers first, with stringent requirements for compliance. And if a local union covers workers that might qualify for the open slots, the union must certify they could not provide workers to fill the slots.

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 17, 2015 04:05 PM (WrzSn)

They advertise out of state for the job and make the job sound as undesirable as possible. Old trick. Please, you cannot be this na´ve.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 17, 2015 04:23 PM (nFdGS)

462 My relative who come over on the Mayflower

====

Well La-ti-dah!

Posted by: Bigby's Finger Foods at December 17, 2015 04:23 PM (3ZtZW)

463 I want to weep for our Republic when the left has no problem and in fact insists on income equality.

Makes. No. Sense.

Equality of opportunity vs equality of outcomes

Posted by: Seems legit at December 17, 2015 04:24 PM (OWndX)

464 Why is it that I get in the door with job experience that matches the requirements, only to be grilled on a core technology I've not listed on my resume and shows up nowhere in the requirement?
----

Oh that's my favorite. Or better HR sending you stacks of candidates (wasting your time) that don't even remotely match the req's you sent them. How about you just let me find the damn people, it would end up saving time, oh...but can't cause process, and 'reasons'.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 04:24 PM (MbrzC)

465
Gristle Encased Head still not saying where "here" is, a place where MEs make a quarter mil a year and matchbox boys are being Horatio Algered up from the streets to become CEOs.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 04:24 PM (kdS6q)

466 462 My relative who come over on the Mayflower

====

Well La-ti-dah!
Posted by: Bigby's Finger Foods at December 17, 2015 04:23 PM (3ZtZW)

Don't get excited, it was a moving truck.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:24 PM (kpqmD)

467 #426

I'll still be making $1000, so there is that.

Posted by: Janet Yellen at December 17, 2015 04:24 PM (9HWk9)

468 ">>ell him to take a close look at what his HR department is doing. They're assholes.

> Yep, they're filtering resumes for key words and blowing off any actual human contact with prospects."

Well, that too, but I mean they are Capital-A A-Holes: sadists who get a power-trip high out of discomforting desperate people who need jobs. They're the stupidest f&ckers on the organization chart, but they have total power over the far-smarter real producers that power a company, and they love it.

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 04:24 PM (mk9aG)

469 Plans for addressing the $19T deficit and the $200B+ annual interest owed thereon:
1. Dims: No plan.
2. Pubs: No plan.

Posted by: Coinkidinky at December 17, 2015 04:25 PM (Y8P5w)

470 Employers must advertise jobs to American workers first, with stringent
requirements for compliance. And if a local union covers workers that
might qualify for the open slots, the union must certify they could not
provide workers to fill the slots.


If you believe they don't cheat on this you're brains leaked out. Perhaps you should sponge them up.

Posted by: DaveA at December 17, 2015 04:25 PM (DL2i+)

471 Well La-ti-dah!
Posted by: Bigby's Finger Foods



Bigby is Annie Hall?

I did not see that coming.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:25 PM (1xUj/)

472 And, IIRC, the first actual slave was an indentured servant a black man didn't want to let out of his "contract."



Slavery predated the US and England its self by tens of thousands of years.
==
Sorry, first legal slave in the Colonies.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 17, 2015 04:25 PM (fQ/0p)

473 Before the total was $110. Afterwards the total is $111. Yes, the collective is better off by a tiny amount, but the guy who was making $100 is royally fucked.

This is true, but it can work out, if the market is given a chance. Look during the "gilded era" everybody worked 12 hour days for two bits and then got beaten up and fired for taking a day off for malaria. Everybody but the Rockerfellers and the Morgans. But the market evened that out, over time and ended up with a better system for everyone. Ford showed the way by paying his workers better, giving them shorter work days and more benefits, and he got better work out of his people.

It can work out, in time... if the market is allowed to do so - and if the people are virtuous and thoughtful about their workers. But it has to have a chance, and that's not gonna happen in America the way things are.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 04:25 PM (39g3+)

474 My ancestor didn't come over on the Mayflower, but one was Governor of Mass, and one signed the Declaration of independence.

Posted by: maddogg at December 17, 2015 04:25 PM (xWW96)

475 I kid, Fenelon. One of mine was the first Dutch guy to come over with a wife.

Which, priorities. Everybody else brought beer.

Posted by: Bigby's Finger Foods at December 17, 2015 04:26 PM (3ZtZW)

476 Does this omnibus also include extension of the 179 expensing rule? And making it permanent, instead of just another one-year extension, and then we have to beg for it again next year?

Because that's not just a trivial thing. That will be a big goddamn deal for small businesses, particularly in equipment-heavy fields like manufacturing and agriculture.

But I do hate to get in the way of a mob, once they're all pitchforked-up and the torches are all lit.

Posted by: Pastafarian at December 17, 2015 04:26 PM (LqrRo)

477 Posted by: Bigby's Finger Foods at December 17, 2015 04:23 PM (3ZtZW)

I wasn't saying it to be impressive. If i really wanted to be lah-to-dah I would have said he was a "Pilgrim." :^)He wasn't; Just a poor soul who wanted a job!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2015 04:26 PM (No/ki)

478 Hey, probably by next summer, New York will be at $15 for all low level jobs. Isn't this a great country, it sure is....Thanks to our great governor Cuomo. A young kid can start right up there, of course many jobs will evaporate.

Posted by: Colin at December 17, 2015 04:27 PM (T3Tpd)

479 "Employers must advertise jobs to American workers first, with stringent requirements for compliance." Haaahh haaaahh haaaa! Haha! Oh that's a good one! Just like they enforce the immigration laws. Ha ha!

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 04:27 PM (mk9aG)

480 I just did a quick search for "179", and the only place it appears is...comment 179.

So I take it that no one here is too terribly concerned about this. Carry on.

Posted by: Pastafarian at December 17, 2015 04:27 PM (LqrRo)

481 The middle class who is making Disney so dang rich at the moment off of their Star Wars merchandising juggernaut.

Not I either. I'm just not interested in this film right now, even though I kinda was. All the advertising and marketing and hype and everyone leaping on the bandwagon with both feet pretty much ruined it for me.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 04:27 PM (39g3+)

482 OK. Sounds like this is a done deal.

Mark Meadows NC-11 is against it. My Rep, squish Richard Hudson is against.

Renee Ellmers, unabashed Tea-Partier, is for it.

How does this pass? Dem support? Political wrangling just like Obamacare. McIntyre NC-7 voted against in a tough district. Then he could claim so. He's now gone.

Ace. Still looking for that top ten to primary... Our NC primary is March 15. NC-2 has got to change.

Posted by: Golfman - Xenophobe Extrodinaire at December 17, 2015 04:28 PM (48QDY)

483 Griggs v. Duke Power is one of the most pernicious SCOTUS decisions ever, and contrary to the express legislative intent of Congress.

It's almost as if "big college" had something to do with it.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 17, 2015 04:28 PM (FkBIv)

484 Which is worse -- US cities full of muslims, or US cities full of current Dimocrat constituencies? Maybe we're looking at this all wrong.

Posted by: Coinkidinky at December 17, 2015 04:28 PM (Y8P5w)

485 The worst part of all this is that once we train our replacements, we will have to suffer through all the broken indian-english commenters here.

Posted by: rebel flounder at December 17, 2015 04:28 PM (3dOE/)

486 I tremble for my country when I reflect that all is not gold that glitters; that two and two make four.

Posted by: The Copybook Headings at December 17, 2015 04:28 PM (2lndx)

487 474 My ancestor didn't come over on the Mayflower, but one was Governor of Mass, and one signed the Declaration of independence.
Posted by: maddogg at December 17, 2015 04:25 PM (xWW96)

My ancestor didn't come over on the Mayflower, but he was a drunk old Delaware indian who lived in a swamp.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:28 PM (xuouz)

488 So every engineer or programmer wasted their money?

Posted by: bonhomme at December 17, 2015 04:02 PM (jhqr1)
---
I don't know about every or the engineers (in the traditional sense non-IT)...lol but most of the programmer probably did.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 04:29 PM (MbrzC)

489 Republicans-

Y U NO at least buy us dinner first?

Posted by: Dirty Randy at December 17, 2015 04:29 PM (jjaLl)

490 The worst part of all this is that once we train our replacements, we
will have to suffer through all the broken indian-english commenters
here.

=======

That's right! Thank you very much come again.

Posted by: Jugdish Kensington at December 17, 2015 04:29 PM (7Kbxu)

491 >>they are Capital-A A-Holes: sadists who get a power-trip high out of
discomforting desperate people who need jobs. They're the stupidest
fckers on the organization chart, but they have total power over
the far-smarter real producers that power a company, and they love it.

Yeah, THIS!

I've had referrals treated like crap by my HR. You'd think they might be a little bit more gentle given the direct association, and that it convinced me not to do any more referrals. But no.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2015 04:30 PM (NOIQH)

492 it's probable a relative of mine helped burn down Congress and the White House.

I should lay a wreath at his grave next time I go back to Britain, if the line isn't too long



Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 17, 2015 04:30 PM (uZLYs)

493 I will approach this election as I often do voting for judges. If they hold office, I will vote against them. Burn it all down and re-elect no one.

Posted by: CMartel at December 17, 2015 04:30 PM (BJ9YG)

494 The marketing for this Star Wars is more like what Yogurt talked about in Space Balls.

I hope most of this marketing gets consumed by the great and mighty Saarlac.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 04:30 PM (iomlS)

495 Would you rather have that guy pushing the button
for $8/hr or living on welfare while Juan Diego Martinez-Guitierez
pushes the button for $7.65 an hour?

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at December 17, 2015 03:20 PM (0LHZx)


Just shit-can the notion of a minimum wage altogether. Problem solved, without importing workers.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2015 04:30 PM (7MWCL)

496 Everyone railing against Disney in this thread will be in line to see that stupid fucking Star Wars movie this weekend.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at December 17, 2015 04:31 PM (f/UVC)

497 408, you are starting to sound like every liberal's caricature of a Republican. You may not be entirely wrong, but life is more complicated than your bullshit motivational speaker talking points make it sound.....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 17, 2015 04:31 PM (7bKQA)

498 I'm getting the distinct impression that this is not a "safe space". There are so many jagged edges in the conversations here, and there are obviously people here that showered today!

Posted by: goon at December 17, 2015 04:31 PM (gy5kE)

499 473: It's a game of numbers. Yep, I'm all for free trade within the US, and with other first world countries to the extent it's good for the US, not the total whole.

But, when you throw the 3rd world in, with their masses of dirt poor for whom $1 a day would make them relative Rockefellers, it ain't gonna work in any time. Their "mass" is so much greater than ours. It's the little water column vs the big tank as I posted somewhere above.

You've got to let the 3rd world climb to our standards by itself before you ever want to think about opening any valves.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 17, 2015 04:31 PM (dvuhZ)

500 492 it's probable a relative of mine helped burn down Congress and the White House.

I should lay a wreath at his grave next time I go back to Britain, if the line isn't too long



Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 17, 2015 04:30 PM (uZLYs)


No, they need to get back here and do it again.

Posted by: maddogg at December 17, 2015 04:31 PM (xWW96)

501 You know the other Death Gallows funny part about this push for everyone to go to college?
People with college degrees don't usually build businesses or the type of wealth that can be passed on, at least not in the sums that can support their kids and their families.

So, we're not only impoverishing and making debt slaves of our current youth, but we've ensured their kids will suffer even more so just to break even.



Posted by: RoyalOil at December 17, 2015 04:31 PM (fQ/0p)

502 So can Bevin mount a recall on Turtle? And whose up for a primary against Ryan.

Posted by: Iblis at December 17, 2015 04:17 PM (9221z)

The only way to get rid of Ryan is for Trump voters next November to split their tickets and vote for whichever Dem opposes Ryan. Of course, the Dems might choose now to not run anyone against him.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 17, 2015 04:32 PM (nFdGS)

503 Posted by: Ernie McCracken at December 17, 2015 04:31 PM (f/UVC)

I won't; I think I only saw the first two "Star Wars" movies anyway--or maybe three,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2015 04:32 PM (No/ki)

504 485 The worst part of all this is that once we train our replacements, we will have to suffer through all the broken indian-english commenters here.
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 17, 2015 04:28 PM (3dOE/)



Hey now. Tushar comments in just as poor of English as the rest of us.

Posted by: buzzion at December 17, 2015 04:32 PM (z/Ubi)

505 496 Everyone railing against Disney in this thread will be in line to see that stupid fucking Star Wars movie this weekend.



Posted by: Ernie McCracken at December 17, 2015 04:31 PM (f/UVC)


Not likely, not with the new Chipmunks movie coming out at the same time!

Posted by: goon at December 17, 2015 04:32 PM (gy5kE)

506 All the advertising and marketing and hype and everyone leaping on the bandwagon with both feet pretty much ruined it for me.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 04:27 PM (39g3+)

My work volunteered at the city food bank earlier this week. Whatever, made it a half day, I went.

There was a statue of that new soccer ball droid in the lobby, made out of stacked tuna fish cans.

Wat? Who are they advertising to? At the damn food bank? At that point it's just weird.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:32 PM (xuouz)

507 493
I will approach this election as I often do voting for judges. If they
hold office, I will vote against them. Burn it all down and re-elect no
one.

Posted by: CMartel at December 17, 2015 04:30 PM (BJ9YG)

Weird I thought I was the only one who always votes against sitting judges.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 17, 2015 04:32 PM (4ErVI)

508 I'm getting the distinct impression that this is not a "safe space".

...oh quite so! Allow me to illustrate with an example...

/punches in face

/grabs wallet

/walks off

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 17, 2015 04:32 PM (9krrF)

509 Have my comments answered all of your concerns about the thread topic? Thank you very much come again.

Posted by: Jugdish Kensington at December 17, 2015 04:32 PM (7Kbxu)

510 The worst part of all this is that once we train our replacements, we will have to suffer through all the broken indian-english commenters here.

Thank you for the commenting, I am most agreeing with you now. Oh yes.

Posted by: "Christopher Taylor" at December 17, 2015 04:32 PM (39g3+)

511 "Well, that too, but I mean they are Capital-A A-Holes: sadists who get a power-trip high out of discomforting desperate people who need jobs. They're the stupidest f&ckers on the organization chart, but they have total power over the far-smarter real producers that power a company, and they love it."

My last job was at a large firm with a very big HR Department. I once asked a Senior Partner what they do all day and he said: "beats the sh*t out of me. They are always in conference rooms having meetings. What f*ck are they always meeting about."

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 17, 2015 04:33 PM (OD2ni)

512 One thing I really want to point out is that Trump, for all his sins, BUILT things. The current idea of wealth right now seems something to do with leveraging the Congress to make that $1 off a dividend -- no reality or commodity required.

Cruz is my guy, but someone who has done the work of building something concrete deserves respect.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 17, 2015 04:33 PM (MIKMs)

513 498 I'm getting the distinct impression that this is not a "safe space". There are so many jagged edges in the conversations here, and there are obviously people here that showered today!
Posted by: goon at December 17, 2015 04:31 PM (gy5kE)

Safe spaces? Showers? What kind of pussy are you?

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:33 PM (kpqmD)

514 Fundamentally transform.

Posted by: Seems legit at December 17, 2015 04:33 PM (OWndX)

515 ok I just got back from work and new to the outrage - did you guys see that this omnibus also bails out the DNC?!?!?!

we're paying for their freaking convention?!?!

Posted by: YesThatBlackOrchid at December 17, 2015 04:33 PM (Vz7fy)

516 Brother Cavil, you forgot to molest his pet goat...

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 04:33 PM (iomlS)

517 This is always kind of funny:

(1) Agitate for the minimum wage to be raised to fifteen dollars so that workers can support their families. Dems favor, Repubs don't.

(2) Agitate for illegal immigrants who will work for far less than fifteen dollars. Dems and Repubs favor.


Repubs are evil exploiters of the working man; Democrats are clinically insane.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Happy Hysteria-days from teh Outrage Outlet! at December 17, 2015 04:33 PM (hLRSq)

518 Fucking Buzzion revenant . Won't fucking stay dead.

Posted by: maddogg at December 17, 2015 04:33 PM (xWW96)

519 Hey now. Tushar comments in just as poor of English as the rest of us.
Posted by: buzzion at December 17, 2015 04:32 PM (z/Ubi)

They've born the tenants of the American dream awl this whey, they deserve to be hear!

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:33 PM (xuouz)

520 the tea party, or something like it, needs to become more organized and formal, and begin demanding Republican officeholders justify voting for them.

If they can't make the case, the Tea Party issues and official "NO RECOMMENDATION" letter. They stay home or vote third party. (Well, they can do what they please, but the idea is that many would opt for those options.)

and they need to do this a lot.

Posted by: ace at December 17, 2015 04:06 PM (dciA+)


This would be pointless. The Tea Party and many other "grassroots" orgs have been infiltrated and just toe the party line. It's an absolute joke. Like that old saw goes:

"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket."

Posted by: other joe_mama at December 17, 2015 04:34 PM (13W9U)

521 Seriously, you mooks, it's tenets. Tenets. Like facets

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:34 PM (xuouz)

522 507 493
I will approach this election as I often do voting for judges. If they
hold office, I will vote against them. Burn it all down and re-elect no
one.

Posted by: CMartel at December 17, 2015 04:30 PM (BJ9YG)

Weird I thought I was the only one who always votes against sitting judges.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 17, 2015 04:32 PM (4ErVI)

I do the same thing, unless I have solid information that they should be retained.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:34 PM (kpqmD)

523 Any new insights regarding Ivanka Trump's boobs?

Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2015 04:34 PM (e3bId)

524 The marketing for this Star Wars is more like what Yogurt talked about in Space Balls.

At this point Yogurt would have his hands up saying "whoa, dial it back, guys!"

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 17, 2015 04:34 PM (39g3+)

525 "Seriously, you mooks, it's tenets. Tenets. Like facets"
=======

It's Tennant.

Posted by: Dr Who at December 17, 2015 04:35 PM (7Kbxu)

526 The worst part of all this is that once we train our replacements, we
will have to suffer through all the broken indian-english commenters
here.


First, you will shout "REPRESENTATIVE!" to a machine.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 17, 2015 04:35 PM (FkBIv)

527 Disney is why I won't go see star wars. I'm sticking to my boycott of the corporate scum who are destroying, wait, have already destroyed the nation.

Posted by: Blano at December 17, 2015 04:35 PM (nNK7y)

528 523 Any new insights regarding Ivanka Trump's boobs?
Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2015 04:34 PM (e3bId)


They are real and they are spectacular.

Posted by: maddogg at December 17, 2015 04:36 PM (xWW96)

529 Obligatory?

http://www.theonion.com/video/ more-american-workers-outsourcing-own-jobs-oversea-14329

Posted by: rebel flounder at December 17, 2015 04:36 PM (3dOE/)

530 Please to enjoy the anime things sir.

Posted by: Anupama Puma at December 17, 2015 04:36 PM (4ErVI)

531 I had an HR elective course in my MBA program. The textbook was awful, like it was written by an eighth-grader, full of syntax errors and typos, decorated with bucketfuls of trite clip-art, and the content was mainly dubious new-agey theories from bullsh!t-land. God I hate HR people.

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 04:36 PM (mk9aG)

532 Cruz is my guy, but someone who has done the work of building something concrete deserves respect.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 17, 2015 04:33 PM (MIKMs)

Yeah well then don't read the comments.

"We need change! Someone with the guts to fight the establishment!

No not him! He's icky! I don't believe him, because I totally have someone else to turn to in this race who's promising to better serve my interests! Those senators, why, their honor is unimpeachable! Just like everything else in washington"

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:37 PM (xuouz)

533 So Disney needs to keep their costs down to compete in the highly competitive amusement park market?

Posted by: Daniel Simpson Day at December 17, 2015 04:37 PM (aA2hG)

534 Ryan has to be Cantored.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 04:37 PM (sj3Ax)

535 OT, I had a Christmas lunch at work earlier that included

1. A prayer
2. Angels under a tree
3. Conspicuous use of the word Christmas

Cracked me up a little.

Posted by: Lea at December 17, 2015 04:37 PM (lIU4e)

536 526 The worst part of all this is that once we train our replacements, we
will have to suffer through all the broken indian-english commenters
here.

First, you will shout "REPRESENTATIVE!" to a machine.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 17, 2015 04:35 PM (FkBIv)

Oh Lord...you triggered my customer-service call PTSD. I swear to God those motherfuckers don't want you to talk to a live person, and when you finally make your way through all the firewalls they put in place to discourage you from moving forward, you get some poor sumbitch in Bangladesh who only speaks English phonetically.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:37 PM (kpqmD)

537 528 we can only imagine their true spectacularity.

Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2015 04:37 PM (e3bId)

538 The worst part of all this is that once we train our replacements, we will have to suffer through all the broken indian-english commenters here.

Thank you for the commenting, I am most agreeing with you now. Oh yes.



I am so happy to meet you I am standing here beside myself!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2015 04:37 PM (E9ede)

539 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at December 17, 2015 04:37 PM (GwIKd)

540 I have some tenets. They are all lame. Bastards are always late with the rent!

Posted by: goon at December 17, 2015 04:38 PM (gy5kE)

541 I think if the RINOs in Congress ever stood for anything I'd have a heart attack and drop dead.

Bet the SHILL would happy to see that ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2015 04:38 PM (gf8BH)

542 *nestles the Seburo MN-23 so its comfortably situated, flicks off the safety, and starts to gentle squeeze the trigger while growling*

Impostor flee right now and you might live.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 04:38 PM (iomlS)

543 Any new insights regarding Ivanka Trump's boobs?
Posted by: Weasel


They are endorsed by Putin.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 17, 2015 04:38 PM (FkBIv)

544
Meanwhile, back in the States:

Has the Christie moment arrived? by Ed Morrissey

Carpe diem?

HotAir.com

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 04:38 PM (kdS6q)

545 We don't require college degrees for most positions.
Wise.

I've had to battle HR\company policy on that for some hires in the past in the IT field, I've always won those battles, every time, sometimes by just going over their heads. I care if the person can get the job done, and done effectively. I care about their experience, their match for the rest of the team, I could not care less where, when, or if they went to school.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 04:39 PM (MbrzC)

546 Right, because there's no reason whatsoever to be skeptical of Donald Trump. Why, he's been a conservative forever. Since...a few weeks ago, in fact. Of course, he's not REALLY conservative, but he's the man for the job! Seriously! Shut up.

Posted by: Kensington at December 17, 2015 04:39 PM (7Kbxu)

547 536 526 The worst part of all this is that once we train our replacements, we
will have to suffer through all the broken indian-english commenters
here.

First, you will shout "REPRESENTATIVE!" to a machine.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 17, 2015 04:35 PM (FkBIv)

Oh Lord...you triggered my customer-service call PTSD. I swear to God those motherfuckers don't want you to talk to a live person, and when you finally make your way through all the firewalls they put in place to discourage you from moving forward, you get some poor sumbitch in Bangladesh who only speaks English phonetically.




Pro tip: ALWAYS press zero. It shorts the system and reverts to a live operator.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2015 04:39 PM (E9ede)

548 Scrood, we is.

Posted by: Eromero at December 17, 2015 04:40 PM (b+df9)

549 The new Gilded Age?
Please. We should be so lucky.

Look at their architecture, their museums, their schools, their opera houses.
Now look at the beyond-decadent, steaming corpse of American "high" culture today.

Never in the history of mankind has there been such a soulless, worthless ruling class. Where is their Sphinx, their Notre Dame, their Taj Majal?

They create nothing. They can only ruin and destroy.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 17, 2015 04:40 PM (T/5A0)

550 Bloomberg Business: Headline-
Why This Year's Christmas Season is So Angry


Answer: Trump

how does the Onion stay in business?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 17, 2015 04:40 PM (kKHcp)

551 Pro tip: ALWAYS press zero. It shorts the system and reverts to a live operator.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2015 04:39 PM (E9ede)

Not always. I have had to deal with automated call systems where 0 would NOT get you a live operator, until you'd gone through several other menus.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:40 PM (kpqmD)

552 OK, funny story about my uncle, who started out in HR before he started his own business and became filthy rich (many years ago). He was working at a well-known defense tech company on the 128 belt in MA. He noticed that they had many more qualified candidates than they could hire, so instead of throwing their resumes out, he sold them to other tech companies for $1 each (yes, this was back in the 60's). No one caught on until the end of the year when his HR department showed a *profit*, and then, well, there's a dispute over whether he was fired or quit.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 17, 2015 04:40 PM (NOIQH)

553 So this was not the hill Ruan wanted to die on?

Posted by: Yo! at December 17, 2015 04:40 PM (GwIKd)

554 544 Meanwhile, back in the States:
Has the Christie moment arrived? by Ed Morrissey
Carpe diem?
HotAir.com
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 04:38 PM (kdS6q)

Well, as a former federal prosecutor...
Hey, how come everyone's drinking? What's going on? Formerly, as a federal prosecutor, we didn't start drinking until...
Oh come on. Put those nips down and listen up here.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:41 PM (xuouz)

555 Pro tip: ALWAYS press zero. It shorts the system and reverts to a live operator.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 17, 2015 04:39 PM (E9ede)

That's a ridiculous gap in the programming. I mean, if you're gonna make people bug-f*ck crazy on the phone, why even give them an easy out?!

Posted by: goon at December 17, 2015 04:41 PM (gy5kE)

556 542
*nestles the Seburo MN-23 so its comfortably situated, flicks off the
safety, and starts to gentle squeeze the trigger while growling*

Impostor flee right now and you might live.


Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 04:38 PM (iomlS)

Please to put the weapon down dear woman!

Posted by: Daaruck Thrombosis at December 17, 2015 04:41 PM (4ErVI)

557 Carpe diem? Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 04:38 PM

I'm convinced Poppin' Fresh would vote for Shrillery if it came down to a Trump v. Clinton race. The man is a truly delusional squish.

Of course he could just be following the orders of Top Men at Salem Communications.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 17, 2015 04:41 PM (ykopX)

558 This was not just good, it was a goddamn manifesto.

Ace, you should really consider publishing an anthology or your best work. You could call it The Bottom of the Barrel

Or how about, Pearls Before Swine: An Ewok Wastrel Lays Wisdom on a Drunken Horde

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 17, 2015 04:42 PM (8ZskC)

559 yeah, also, ace, the old Gilded Age was an awesome time to be around. Except for the whole progressive movement part.

But that's when we went from third world agricultural / sharecrop abstinence living to, well, what we have today.

It's the progressives who derisively call that time "the gilded age" because some of the big industrialists ("robber barons" in the parlance) became wealthy during the process of, you know, industrializing a country.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 17, 2015 04:42 PM (AkOaV)

560 #553
Ryan

Posted by: Yo! at December 17, 2015 04:42 PM (GwIKd)

561 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 04:38 PM (kdS6q)

Click bait, and the blood-mad mob over there reacts accordingly.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Happy Hysteria-days from teh Outrage Outlet! at December 17, 2015 04:42 PM (hLRSq)

562 First, you will shout "REPRESENTATIVE!" to a machine.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 17, 2015 04:35 PM (FkBIv)

"I need to speak to a human being, please. A person. Put a person on the line. I need a person, I want to talk to a human being."

It goes downhill from there.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:42 PM (xuouz)

563 Joined th thread late and I'm not certain what led to the HR discussion, but as nearly as I can tell, and without exception, they are a bunch of fucking idiots.

Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2015 04:43 PM (e3bId)

564 544
Meanwhile, back in the States:

Has the Christie moment arrived? by Ed Morrissey

Carpe diem?

HotAir.com
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 04:38 PM (kdS6q)



Did he have a bran muffin for breakfast?


Oh wait, you said "moment."

Posted by: buzzion at December 17, 2015 04:43 PM (z/Ubi)

565 I'm not going to see the Disney movie either. I'd rather have a job than see another 2 hour fairy tale.

Posted by: Thing (Displaced) From Snowy Mountain at December 17, 2015 04:43 PM (kCfMX)

566 An Ewok Wastrel Lays Wisdom on a Drunken Horde

I'm pretty sure that white stuff isn't "wisdom".

Posted by: The Copybook Headings at December 17, 2015 04:43 PM (2lndx)

567 Please to be telling me for how glorious assistance to be providing today?

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:44 PM (kpqmD)

568 "we will have to suffer through all the broken indian-english commenters" On my way out, I want to say: I love Indians, I think they are delightful people. I just want to be able to apply for their same jobs at their same compensation. I don't want the door preemptively closed to me, or compensation assumptions prejudiced against, just because I am a white American. Level the damn playing field and let me compete!

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 04:44 PM (mk9aG)

569 *releases the trigger and flicks the safety back on while flicking ears*

Ne Uni-chan, what should we do with this fan-boi?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 04:44 PM (iomlS)

570
I'm convinced Poppin' Fresh would vote for Shrillery if it came down to a Trump v. Clinton race. The man is a truly delusional squish. Of course he could just be following the orders of Top Men at Salem Communications.
Posted by: MrScribbler



I believe Leon "Snapping Turtle" Wolf, new head guy over at RedState, has declared for Hilliary before Trump.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 04:44 PM (kdS6q)

571 "I need to speak to a human being, please. A person. Put a person on the line. I need a person, I want to talk to a human being."

It goes downhill from there.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:42 PM (xuouz)

Usually ends in rageful shouting, then weeping.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:44 PM (kpqmD)

572 It goes downhill from there.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:42 PM


You can throw 'em off script by asking how the weather is in New Delhi.

I actually had one say "Sir, I am in Mumbai."

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 17, 2015 04:44 PM (ykopX)

573 Clean up aisle 569.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Happy Hysteria-days from teh Outrage Outlet! at December 17, 2015 04:44 PM (hLRSq)

574 wood shampoo,

first and last warning, you're a troll, and you drop the c-word in every single post I read by you.

clean it up or be banned.

Posted by: ace at December 17, 2015 04:45 PM (dciA+)

575 Conservatism has been dead longer than I've been!

Posted by: Zombie Bill Buckley at December 17, 2015 04:45 PM (/TQ6p)

576 Mikey, ara???

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 04:45 PM (iomlS)

577 ¯\_(ツ )_/¯

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at December 17, 2015 04:45 PM (evdj2)

578 569 Paul Ryan's wife looks stupid to me. She always has that Xanex smile on. I bet her cunt is filthy too.
Posted by: Wood Shampoo at December 17, 2015 04:44 PM (XzRw1)

This fucking rent-a-shill can't spell xanax. Or aunt, apparently.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:45 PM (xuouz)

579 Man - that ban hammer is fast.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Happy Hysteria-days from teh Outrage Outlet! at December 17, 2015 04:45 PM (hLRSq)

580 568 "we will have to suffer through all the broken indian-english commenters" On my way out, I want to say: I love Indians, I think they are delightful people. I just want to be able to apply for their same jobs at their same compensation. I don't want the door preemptively closed to me, or compensation assumptions prejudiced against, just because I am a white American. Level the damn playing field and let me compete!
Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 04:44 PM (mk9aG)

You're a card dealer?

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:45 PM (kpqmD)

581 Lot of good it is 20 years later! The lifetime of IT tech skills is measured in months now. Everybody wants people who have five years experience with tools that have existed only since last year. Foundation skills, theoretical knowledge, general experience count for nothing; all they want to know is can you develop with tool XYZ from day one. Trouble is, tool XYZ is an enterprise tool that costs $500K, and there's no way I can afford to buy it to learn it. Jeeez, I can't even afford the latest Visual Studio anymore; back in the good old days (eight years ago) MS used to give it to me for free at the dev conferences.

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 04:11 PM (mk9aG)
---
This is so hilariously true... especially the X amount of time with technology\toolset that has only existed for less than X. Yeah MS really fked you when killed off the cheap technet subs and jacked up the msdn subs to insane amounts (that said it was always a stupidly amazing deal). At least they're giving away the stripped down versions of VS these days.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 04:45 PM (MbrzC)

582 This would be pointless. The Tea Party and many other "grassroots" orgs have been infiltrated and just toe the party line. It's an absolute joke. Like that old saw goes:

"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket."
Posted by: other joe_mama at December 17, 2015 04:34 PM (13W9U)

I agree. And it happened QUICKLY with the TEA Party.

A matter of a year or two. It really was something to watch -- I remember Boehner even got some TEA Party group endorsements and claimed he was a tea party candidate.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 17, 2015 04:46 PM (AkOaV)

583 568
"we will have to suffer through all the broken indian-english commenters" On my way out, I want to say: I love Indians, I think they are delightful people. I just want to be able to apply for their same jobs at their same compensation. I don't want the door preemptively closed to me, or compensation assumptions prejudiced against, just because I am a white American. Level the damn playing field and let me compete!

Posted by: gp at December 17, 2015 04:44 PM (mk9aG)


Thanks. Now I be having to be adding that I have nothing against indians either. It was a joke.

Posted by: rebel flounder at December 17, 2015 04:46 PM (3dOE/)

584 Let it go! Let it go!....

Posted by: frankg at December 17, 2015 04:46 PM (xvk6q)

585
576 Mikey, ara???


Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 04:45 PM (iomlS)


See Ace at 574.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Happy Hysteria-days from teh Outrage Outlet! at December 17, 2015 04:46 PM (hLRSq)

586 Usually pushing 0 about 100 times will work. When I call the doctors office or pharmacy, I always select the option reserved for other doctors. Pisses the clerk off, but who cares? You're in.

Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2015 04:46 PM (e3bId)

587 Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:45 PM (xuouz)

Please for not to be of copying and pasting the words of troll then. Gratitude and thanks of much.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:46 PM (kpqmD)

588 574 wood shampoo,

first and last warning, you're a troll, and you drop the c-word in every single post I read by you.

clean it up or be banned.

Posted by: ace at December 17, 2015 04:45 PM (dciA+)



Um ace? Pretty sure he is already banned. His comment is wiped immediately. If its the xzr1w hash or something like that, its Thin Veneer of Civility, who was put on the TB3K hit list months ago.

Posted by: buzzion at December 17, 2015 04:47 PM (z/Ubi)

589
No way a human was in the loop on that ban. Had to be a word filter autoban.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 04:47 PM (kdS6q)

590 Did Obama say today that he was unaware of any specific threats against the homeland? [Ducks and covers]

Posted by: Coinkidinky at December 17, 2015 04:47 PM (Y8P5w)

591 Moar Barishnikov:



https://youtu.be/l5AP33ygcKY



*deducts from your gay cred*



And this is for Lizzy and Lea, for getting it right:



http://bit.ly/1ew5bN7









Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at December 17, 2015 03:46 PM (mf5HN)


Barishnikovs are way over-rated. They jam in a heartbeat if the ammo is in any way dirty.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2015 04:47 PM (7MWCL)

592 With Melania and Ivanka (and maybe the other daughter, the one with Marla Maples), we'll have a FLILF and FDILF, the first such level we've had in the last 120 years. I don't know about the 19th century, if any FLOTUSi were hot or not. Jackie Kennedy almost reached that level, but not quite.

With Melania and Ivanka, they would be real fashion plates, who could hold their own against anybody out there, and could really strut if they wanted to. I'd dig it.

If I were Trumpster and I won, I'd have Melania dress up to the nines in something so damned hot. Just to rub it in. Make some of those old biddies like Sally Quinn shit themselves.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 17, 2015 04:47 PM (dvuhZ)

593 *pulls the pin and drops a grenade on the wood shavings*

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 04:47 PM (iomlS)

594 So what you're saying is vote Trump because that's probably the only way in hell that congress is ever going to try and take back power from the executive branch.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 17, 2015 04:15 PM (Po0i2)
---

Might even need to give Congress back to the D's with president with R next to name for that to happen.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 04:47 PM (MbrzC)

595
Well, I'll be damned! We got us a gunslinger boys!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 17, 2015 04:48 PM (kdS6q)

596 Chris Christie? No.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 04:48 PM (sj3Ax)

597 I agree. And it happened QUICKLY with the TEA Party.

A matter of a year or two. It really was something to watch -- I remember Boehner even got some TEA Party group endorsements and claimed he was a tea party candidate.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 17, 2015 04:46 PM (AkOaV)

Hence my pining for conservatives actually rallying around a candidate and pushing the message as much as the person, making the campaign into a movement; instead of squelching the message in hopes we can dupe LIV libs into voting for Mr. Evil Whiteguy.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:48 PM (xuouz)

598 start calling the immigrant workers "scabs" and the leftward shift will be complete.

Posted by: realignment dreamer at December 17, 2015 04:48 PM (TqbUH)

599 424 Homeland's Season Finale is Sunday.
I haven't watched it since third season.

We don't even have that, Ace.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 04:15 PM (sj3Ax)
---

It's actually been surprisingly good this season, I was expecting full on suck, was totally wrong.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 04:48 PM (MbrzC)

600 Tschuss mein freunds.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 17, 2015 04:49 PM (iomlS)

601 Please for not to be of copying and pasting the words of troll then. Gratitude and thanks of much.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:46 PM (kpqmD)

So. Very much, so. Yes.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:49 PM (xuouz)

602 start calling the immigrant workers "scabs" and the leftward shift will be complete.


I can't tell if you're fer it or agin it.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at December 17, 2015 04:49 PM (evdj2)

603 Hence my pining for conservatives actually rallying around a candidate and pushing the message as much as the person, making the campaign into a movement; instead of squelching the message in hopes we can dupe LIV libs into voting for Mr. Evil Whiteguy.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:48 PM (xuouz)

Oh, the problem isn't the message. in 2010, the entire establishment was willing to get on board with "the message."

They just never meant it. They got to DC, slapped each others backs, did some blow off some hookers asses, and got back to business as usual.

Like they also do.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 17, 2015 04:49 PM (AkOaV)

604 My father, rest his soul, told me that he never voted for any candidate who appeared on both the R and D ticket. Used to happen in local Judge elections all the time. He and I didn't always get along but I've followed his advice on that ever since.

Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at December 17, 2015 04:49 PM (k8tEg)

605 593 *pulls the pin and drops a grenade on the wood shavings*

I think so Brain ... but what are we going to do with 15 tonnes of wood smithereens?

Posted by: Pinky ... at December 17, 2015 04:50 PM (oZKRQ)

606 The future Utopia that the Left and the GOPe want is a cabal of the "rich smart people" who will rule over a dependency class with a few gentry/mandarins as enforcers and barristas.

Economically, they want to make money abroad to fuel their neo-feudal pipedreams of ruling over the new peasants who will be used as social experiments.

More: Progressives' Futuristic Blues

http://tinyurl.com/clkbq9s

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 17, 2015 04:50 PM (vBeA5)

607 I'm still drivin' the f'n omnibus!

Posted by: Toonces Ryan at December 17, 2015 04:51 PM (Dwehj)

608 @606
I think you misspelled "enema." You should take one too.

Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at December 17, 2015 04:51 PM (k8tEg)

609 Posted by: The Political Hat at December 17, 2015 04:50 PM (vBeA5)

...er... so you're saying alex jones is right?

:-O

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 17, 2015 04:51 PM (AkOaV)

610 also, hat, its snowing on your webpage.

just thought you should know.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 17, 2015 04:51 PM (AkOaV)

611 Call the illegals "scabs?" I don't know.
I do know that last year they came here with diseases U. S. Had eradicated.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 04:52 PM (sj3Ax)

612 Has the Christie moment arrived?


Yes!

Duncan Donuts just pulled a fresh tray of apple fritters from the oven.

So, go stuff yourself you gun-grabbing', global warming-believing', Obama-hugging', Jerry Jones-Jumping' tub of rancid butterfat.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 17, 2015 04:52 PM (0cMkb)

613 Sorry 606
Your predecessor disappeared and you dropped into the slot.

Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at December 17, 2015 04:52 PM (k8tEg)

614 Chris Christie? No.
Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 04:48 PM


I saw a promo for a Boston teevee station's "political analyst" in which he claimed Chaaaaahlie Bakuh is the "most popular governor in the country." If that's so -- which I somehow doubt -- ol' Krispy Kreme might be the most popular guy among the sub-5% wannabes.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 17, 2015 04:53 PM (ykopX)

615 Oh, the problem isn't the message. in 2010, the entire establishment was willing to get on board with "the message."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 17, 2015 04:49 PM (AkOaV)

I'm not talking about the party, I'm talking about the voters.

But I guess I'm just going back to my old saw from last week about us all being aesthetically liberal. We long for OUR Obama, we admire their pack/herd behavior and "no enemies to the left." We want to have our values with their behavior. Maybe that just isn't possible. Maybe conservative values are only fit for a tougher, more divided, do-it-yourself time.

We'll see, won't we?

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:53 PM (xuouz)

616 So pretty much everything we worked for is dead, is that it? 240 years or so just to replace one insufferable aristocracy with another. Great job, nitwits. I piss on you and wipe my ass with your sleeves.

Posted by: George Washington at December 17, 2015 04:53 PM (Y8P5w)

617 I work with a guy who is Indian and who lives in India (well we "work" on the same online platform and he's in the same chat room I'm in) and his English is perfect, and even he laughs about how overtly formal some of his fellow workers can sound when communicating in English.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 17, 2015 04:53 PM (4ErVI)

618
Call the illegals "scabs?" I don't know.

I do know that last year they came here with diseases U. S. Had eradicated.
Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 04:52 PM (sj3Ax)
________

LOL Good one.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 17, 2015 04:55 PM (MIKMs)

619 Oh FFS, looks like we have a MUMR wannabe.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 17, 2015 04:55 PM (kpqmD)

620 Yeah ace I think its time to take it from the TB3K comment wipe to a full banning of (XzRw1)

Posted by: buzzion at December 17, 2015 04:55 PM (z/Ubi)

621 617 I work with a guy who is Indian and who lives in India (well we "work" on the same online platform and he's in the same chat room I'm in) and his English is perfect,
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 17, 2015 04:53 PM (4ErVI)

Yeah well 16,000 hours of LoL will do that to you.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:55 PM (xuouz)

622 good night

Posted by: Bigby's Finger Foods at December 17, 2015 04:55 PM (3ZtZW)

623 >>>Have no idea if that will get me banned...but it needs to be said. It makes me feel better and I think it will make you feel better too...
Posted by: William Eaton<<<

Banned? You're being upgraded from the cardboard membership to the aluminum siding membership as I type this.

Posted by: Fritz at December 17, 2015 04:56 PM (BngQR)

624 Jeez, that guy has some issues with Ryan's wife. Hope she's got protection.

Posted by: South Kramerica at December 17, 2015 04:56 PM (Y8P5w)

625 Gilded age. Gilded cage.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 17, 2015 04:56 PM (FkBIv)

626 So pretty much everything we worked for is dead, is that it? 240 years or so just to replace one insufferable aristocracy with another. Great job, nitwits. I piss on you and wipe my ass with your sleeves.

Tell ol' Benji that because good men did nothing, we couldn't keep it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 17, 2015 04:56 PM (LUgeY)

627 do we want to be a nation, or be permitted to live in a nation(tm)

Posted by: Feh at December 17, 2015 04:56 PM (Uk9e2)

628 Should wampoo is on the WARPATH

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:56 PM (xuouz)

629 "but the guy who was making $100 is royally fucked.



This is true, but it can work out, if the market is given a chance."

yeah it would hypothetically work for the whole world ... but there are so many culture conflicts, and most cultures have evil leaders that want control over their people and turf.

If we want to quantify when to bring people in, we must value their addition to our society not by diversity, but by how well they fit IN. What will they contribute to our representative democracy, and will they work WITH US.

If other cultures are successful fine ... let them succeed on their own and we can adapt to pieces of them. It's like Apple or Microsoft ... not compatible (more so now I guess). But Japan is harmonious, and WW2 we gave them an update to become more democratic fair traders.

The need to change America is more about the need to conquer US, which is why it has had Russian backing at least since FDR's commie friends helped him with the New Deal. We should get back to the old deal, not amalgamate with the world. But the globalists want to melt our culture so we don't fight for our country, or faith, or family.

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 17, 2015 04:56 PM (26Yu7)

630 ThisBeingMilt,
I should watch Homeland Season 4-5? It's on demand.
Thank you.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 04:57 PM (sj3Ax)

631 I do know that last year they came here with diseases U. S. Had eradicated.
Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 04:52 PM


Tuberculosis is the Hot New Disease among California hipsters.

One news story I saw said it might be because of people traveling from other countries.

Pro Tip, PC weenies: Mexico.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 17, 2015 04:57 PM (ykopX)

632 Classic post, Ace.

Do I detect a whiff of sarcasm?

Posted by: rickl at December 17, 2015 04:58 PM (zoehZ)

633 . Of course, the Dems might choose now to not run anyone against him.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 17, 2015 04:32 PM (nFdGS)
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I can totally see that.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 04:58 PM (MbrzC)

634 also, hat, its snowing on your webpage.
just thought you should know.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes


Break out the Head and Shoulders.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 17, 2015 04:58 PM (FkBIv)

635 632 Classic post, Ace.

Do I detect a whiff of sarcasm?
Posted by: rickl at December 17, 2015 04:58 PM (zoehZ)

It's a keeper for sure. Does anyone have a "greatest hits" compilation? He's put up three blockbusters in the last couple weeks, by my count, but going back more than a few years is a task I'm just not up to.

Not for $0.00 an hour.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:59 PM (xuouz)

636 I read somewhere that 14 Jewish people were poisoned at Paris synagogue.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 05:00 PM (sj3Ax)

637 I am proud to say that I have owed and paid not one red cent to the Federal Government in the last 5 years. Here's wishing you can join me as soon as possible. I sleep a little better knowing that I am not helping to fund this tyranny and corruption.

Posted by: South Kramerica at December 17, 2015 05:00 PM (Y8P5w)

638 The need to change America is more about the need to conquer US, which is why it has had Russian backing at least since FDR's commie friends helped him with the New Deal. We should get back to the old deal, not amalgamate with the world. But the globalists want to melt our culture so we don't fight for our country, or faith, or family.

We set the standard of freedom and prosperity for generations. We also raised the standard of living for the whole world in the process.

That no other country chose to follow our lead and craft their culture and government on individual freedom speaks volumes about human nature, none of it good.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 17, 2015 05:01 PM (LUgeY)

639 617 I work with a guy who is Indian and who lives in India (well we "work" on the same online platform and he's in the same chat room I'm in) and his English is perfect, and even he laughs about how overtly formal some of his fellow workers can sound when communicating in English.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 17, 2015 04:53 PM (4ErVI)

English is the official language of India. The accent is the hard part to understand, depending on where the people are from.


Also, NOOD

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 17, 2015 05:01 PM (AkOaV)

640 Mr. Scribbler,
TB was one of them, they brought others too.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 05:02 PM (sj3Ax)

641 523 Any new insights regarding Ivanka Trump's boobs?

Posted by: Weasel at December 17, 2015 04:34 PM (e3bId)

[x] Real?
[_] Not Real?

But really a personal inspection is needed, just to be sure.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 05:02 PM (MbrzC)

642 "610 also, hat, its snowing on your webpage.

just thought you should know.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes


Do you realize its snowing in my room, God d#mnit!

Posted by: Chet from Weird Science at December 17, 2015 05:03 PM (OD2ni)

643 I may have to take a blood pressure pill before listening to Levin tonight.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 05:04 PM (sj3Ax)

644 534 Ryan has to be Cantored.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 04:37 PM (sj3Ax)
---
Cantor was even slightly less smug then this son of ...

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 05:04 PM (MbrzC)

645 Rearden had felt another click in his mind, the sharper click of the second tumbrel connecting the circuits of the lock. He leaned forward."What are you counting on?" he asked; his tone had changed, it was low, it had the steady, pressing, droning sound of a drill."It's only a matter of gaining time!" cried Mouch.
"There isn't any time left to gain."
"All we need is a chance!" cried Lawson.
"There are no chances left."
"It's only until we recover!" cried Holloway.
"There is no way to recover."
"Only until our policies begin to work!" cried Dr. Ferris.
"There's no way to make the irrational work.'1 There was no answer.
"What can save you now?"
"Oh, you'll do something!" cried James Taggart.
Then—even though it was only a sentence he had heard all his life—he felt a deafening crash within him, as of a steel door dropping open at the touch of the final tumbrel, the one small number completing the sum and releasing the intricate lock, the answer uniting all the pieces, the questions and the unsolved wounds of his life. In the moment of silence after the crash, it seemed to him that he heard Francisco's voice, asking him quietly in the ballroom of this building, yet asking it also here and now: "Who is the guiltiest man in this room?" He heard his own answer of the past: "I suppose— James Taggart?" and Francisco's voice saying without reproach: "No, Mr. Rearden, it's not James Taggart,"—but here, in this room and this moment, his mind answered: "I am."

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at December 17, 2015 05:09 PM (evdj2)

646 Screw 'em all.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 17, 2015 05:10 PM (WlQGZ)

647 592 With Melania and Ivanka (and maybe the other daughter, the one with Marla Maples), we'll have a FLILF and FDILF, the first such level we've had in the last 120 years. I don't know about the 19th century, if any FLOTUSi were hot or not. Jackie Kennedy almost reached that level, but not quite.
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Don't give Trump any ideas, I can see in a debate Hillary going vote for me cause first Vagina! Trump then goes... if you want to talking about historic Vagina's ... how about my wife and daughters... FLILF and FDILF... two for the price of one, come on it's a great deal! Besides who wants to look at that for four, or god forbid, eight years? (points over at Hillary)

Laughter and Gasps erupt followed by dead silence and trump say, yeah I thought not, next question Wolf!



Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 05:13 PM (MbrzC)

648 Well, eugenics sucks. Cannabilism gets very personal.
Hard to talk after termination.

Why do you think they pile up those skulls and create churches?

Maybe later someone will get promoted to saint status.

Rally, bitches! Before you lose your heads.

Posted by: neal at December 17, 2015 05:16 PM (Z/dmU)

649 630 ThisBeingMilt,
I should watch Homeland Season 4-5? It's on demand.
Thank you.

Posted by: Carol at December 17, 2015 04:57 PM (sj3Ax)

Probably 5, so that pieces of 6 are better understood character wise (not plot wise).
I imagine the past seasons are on showtime on-demand\anytime, but I've never looked.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 05:20 PM (MbrzC)

650 "I need to speak to a human being, please. A person.
Put a person on the line. I need a person, I want to talk to a human
being."



It goes downhill from there.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 17, 2015 04:42 PM (xuouz)


OK, all you out-of-work coders and software engineers, here's a business opportunity for you: design a home computer program / smartphone app that uses computer power to counter the automated phone call directing bot on the other end of the line. Program it to hang up and redial, and try another tack if it hits a snag. Let your computer's fingers do the walking. When the system finally deals up a live human on the far end, the machine can say, "hold for a second, and I will fetch my Master."

Guranteed gold, I tell you. I'd buy a copy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 17, 2015 05:21 PM (7MWCL)

651 "I may have to take a blood pressure pill before listening to Levin tonight."
=====

YOU might have to take a blood pressure pill?

Posted by: Mark Levin's Cardiologist at December 17, 2015 05:39 PM (7Kbxu)

652 Would you Reich Wingers be any happier if I just flew over San Berdoo in a B-52 and bombed the HA club house?

Posted by: Ob+mao at December 17, 2015 06:32 PM (9HWk9)

653 Maybe Donald Trump will deal the death blow to the GOP.

We can only hope.

Posted by: Pastorius at December 17, 2015 06:46 PM (gMAUH)

654 638
We set the standard of freedom and prosperity for generations. We also raised the standard of living for the whole world in the process.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 17, 2015 05:01 PM (LUgeY)


And at the same time empowered ordinary people and showed that a hereditary aristocracy is not necessary.

The hereditary aristocracy has never forgiven America for that. They genuinely do hate us and intend to drive us to extinction.

Posted by: rickl at December 17, 2015 06:56 PM (sdi6R)

655 Great work, Ace.

Posted by: skzion at December 17, 2015 07:39 PM (fkMt1)

656 Don't give Trump any ideas, I can see in a debate Hillary going vote for me cause first Vagina! Trump then goes... if you want to talking about historic Vagina's ... how about my wife and daughters... FLILF and FDILF... two for the price of one, come on it's a great deal! Besides who wants to look at that for four, or god forbid, eight years? (points over at Hillary)

Laughter and Gasps erupt followed by dead silence and trump say, yeah I thought not, next question Wolf!



Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 17, 2015 05:13 PM (MbrzC)

It'll be great to see Trump's next mistress and FLOTUS screaming at each other on the Aspen ski slopes. Classy.

Posted by: stace at December 17, 2015 08:15 PM (CoX6k)

657 Nailed it ace. As noted elsewhere, pure fucking poetry. Sliced with a hammer. Fucking Ryan. Fucking GOPe and fucking monied donors. Hopefully the next crash and, heaven forbid, Paris/San Bernadino/Beslan will be dear to them and not the innocents they have fucked, fuck and will continue to fuck in the future. Fuck them. With a pineapple. Sideways. Repeatedly.

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at December 17, 2015 09:15 PM (g1MTt)

658 238 196 I and others knew Ryan would be the master of this sort of thing.

And I tell you now that Cruz is of the same mold.

He is not to be trusted. Just a gut feeling but I've been right too many times for me to ignore this feeling.


"I get the same vibe from him. And he was my guy going in from the beginning before I jumped to Trump.

Not sure what it is, but he comes across as this perfect conservative robot. Everything he says is just too perfect. He's part of the establishment as well. Granted he is fringe establishment, but he is still establishment nonetheless."


I agree with both of you. Cruz is not trustworthy and he's not eligible and he know it.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at December 17, 2015 09:25 PM (o7C/a)

659 Misfortune & Pestilence, I share your misgivings about Cruz. His Harvard and Goldman Sachs connections are bright red warning flags to me.

And if I don't trust Cruz, then what about Trump? He's all over the damn map. It's hard to tell what he believes from one day to the next.

Having said that, I'm inclined to think that Trump/Cruz is the best ticket we can get this time around. I don't think Cruz could win in the general election at the top of the ticket, and I have no idea who else Trump might have in mind for the VP slot.

Posted by: rickl at December 17, 2015 09:44 PM (sdi6R)

660 This is fucking EPIC. It's Kaboom Kids 2: The Morons Strike Back. I've been sending it to everybody I know.

Posted by: Ex-liberal at December 17, 2015 09:59 PM (R1mDg)

661 Hey Ace, are you sure you didn't hire BC as a ghostwriter for this piece?

Posted by: Ex-liberal at December 17, 2015 09:59 PM (R1mDg)

662 "I share your misgivings about Cruz. His Harvard and Goldman Sachs connections are bright red warning flags to me."

Crimson Red! TPP, Corker, Amnesty by another name, H1B visas, Article II Sec I, renouncing Canadian citizenship. Never has there been a president born on foreign soil (excluding Obama even he faked a birth in Hawaii). It's insulting at the very least. I'm so sick of how "smart" he is crap. He's a Harvard lawyer with a wife who wrote the North American Union report for the CFR. That report makes my hair stand on end.


"And if I don't trust Cruz, then what about Trump? He's all over the damn map. It's hard to tell what he believes from one day to the next."

Not really. Trump has been saying the same things for over 30 years. Old interview, several books, current speeches. He's a nationalist. I can easily live with that. Conservatism has turned into corporatism and globalism. We are dying here.



"Having said that, I'm inclined to think that Trump/Cruz is the best ticket we can get this time around. I don't think Cruz could win in the general election at the top of the ticket, and I have no idea who else Trump might have in mind for the VP slot."

It would be a poor choice for Trump. Cruz is from Red Texas that means Texas is already in his column. Cruz is a liability. Trust me, his eligibility is a YUGE problem that Trump doesn't need. I know people want to ignore it but it will matter greatly.

I predict Trump will pick a non-traditional sort, a non-politician, but who knows? Just a guess.

Cruz only has Iowa going for him right now. He might get 1st or 2nd place and then it's down hill from there for him.

A couple other points that bug me is his similarity to Obama:

First term senator
Communist foreign father
American mother
Harvard lawyer
Disregard for Article II, Sec I

Something is off with him to me. Stealth GOPe with globalist tendencies. His words don't match his actions at times that matter.




Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at December 17, 2015 11:23 PM (o7C/a)

663 "I predict Trump will pick a non-traditional sort, a non-politician, but who knows? Just a guess."

And I don't mean Oprah or another celebutard. I'm thinking another successful business person.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at December 17, 2015 11:30 PM (o7C/a)

664 "The hereditary aristocracy has never forgiven America for that. They genuinely do hate us and intend to drive us to extinction."

that may be I don't know ... but it seems the aristocratic mind develops along with power. power corrupts. People move to DC and lose their local connections, voila ... a new aristocracy, even with the "my father was a bartender" background stories.

Power back to the states wold be a good start, and more back to the locals, like school control.

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 18, 2015 12:03 AM (26Yu7)

665 "That no other country chose to follow our lead and craft their culture
and government on individual freedom speaks volumes about human nature,
none of it good."

great point ... and our own country slid, probably since day one. Those WASPy founders put a lot together, then we improved a few things but there was always someone on their power trip working at tearing it down.

The Federal Reserve was a pretty big step down, though it has taken 100 years to get to this fiat money, now QE and manipulation to help the stock market, or even government buying into the markets, as Greenspan suggested. Too much funny money swirling around rewarding the wrong people, Goldman Sachs Brotherhood pulling the strings.

Posted by: Illiniwek at December 18, 2015 12:12 AM (26Yu7)

666 They may need to harvest your body heat to pay for that gruel.

Posted by: bruce at December 18, 2015 06:24 AM (iuA0t)

667 The Devil made me say that.

Posted by: bruce at December 18, 2015 06:25 AM (iuA0t)

668 Sometimes I get lost in the brilliant and and snarky comments here. I lose sight of how much real substance there is in Ace's posts. There is no better example of that substance than this post.

Posted by: creeper at December 18, 2015 09:27 AM (YE4fX)

669 Excellent column. The best. It connects the dots for all to understand.

BTW This does not apply to govt employees.

Here is a thought experiment:

1. Allow anyone with a 4 year degree in education to teach school. Then bring in bus loads of Indian teachers and fire most of the US citizen teachers. If they complain call them racists.

2. Remove the US citizen requirement for govt employees. Then fire most govt employees and replace them with foreign visa holders. If they complain call them xenophobes.

This is the only way many would care.





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