Confederate Yankee
April 11, 2006
Killing Allah
Jefferson Morley's Washington Post blog entry today, Talk of Iran Strikes Gets Cool Response, in which Morley summarized world media opinion on threats of a possible attack on Iran's nuclear program, triggered an interesting response from a reader who called himself Farhad Saidieh:
This is a good article, but when have the USA backed down, especially if it would require them to acknowledge the legitimacy of the Iranian regime; the withdraw of the "axis of evil" statement; and then removal of accusations of Iran's links to terrorism/freedom fighters. Even if the USA felt that this may some how be in its interest the Israelis wouldn't allow it and would drag the USA back.
There is another way. It would require the USA to acknowledge that it does not have the right, or moral standing to be the Judge, Jury and Executioner. Only then will the end of the war on Terrorism start.
As you may imagine, I had my own response to Farhad:
Farhad,
Why does it seem you are more interested in ending the War on Terrorism, than on ending terrorism itself? I think you have overplayed your hand and stated your intentions a little too clearly.
Iran is a terrorist state that openly seeks the ultimate weapon, while maintaining long-standing calls for the eradication of Israel. It is no great stretch to see that a nuclear Iran would try to destroy Israel as soon as it thought it was possible. Before dying, the Israeli counterstrike is certain to exact a horrible toll of its own. All told, tens of millions will die in this ever-more-likely scenario, and the Middle East will become inhabitable for thousands of years because of nuclear radiation.
The projected and all-but-promised Islamic first strike will clearly mark Islam as an aberration; a threat to all humanity. I doubt any of the "civilized" nations will think twice about unleashing their own arsenals, conventional or otherwise, in smashing other Islamic states that can be seen as a threat to those not already killed by the Iranian-triggered war.
Islam will be smashed, consigned to the ash-heap of history with other failed religions of past centuries. Is this the future you want for Islam? That is the path you are choosing.
If western powers back down now, Iran will end your world, and your religion, and the only solace you will find is that you outlasted the Israelis by a breath.
This is the future Iran would choose for you. I suggest you find another way.
Too many people in this country are allowing their views on developments in Iran's nuclear proliferation gamble to be colored by their like or dislike of President Bush. This is a mistake.
As Mark Steyn noted in an
excellent commentary today:
Anyone who spends half an hour looking at Iranian foreign policy over the last 27 years sees five things:
- contempt for the most basic international conventions;
- long-reach extraterritoriality;
- effective promotion of radical Pan-Islamism;
- a willingness to go the extra mile for Jew-killing (unlike, say, Osama);
- an all-but-total synchronization between rhetoric and action.
Later:
…the extremist [Iranian President] Ahmadinejad has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map," while the moderate [former Iranian President] Rafsanjani has declared that Israel is "the most hideous occurrence in history," which the Muslim world "will vomit out from its midst" in one blast, because "a single atomic bomb has the power to completely destroy Israel, while an Israeli counter-strike can only cause partial damage to the Islamic world." Evidently wiping Israel off the map seems to be one of those rare points of bipartisan consensus in Tehran, the Iranian equivalent of a prescription drug plan for seniors: we're just arguing over the details.
So the question is: Will they do it?
And the minute you have to ask, you know the answer.
When Seymour Hersh wrote in the
New Yorker that the Administration is planning contingencies for
possible military strikes against Iran's nuclear sites, and that even our own nuclear options were being considered as a possible response in some scenarios, my initial response was one of "isn't it their job to consider all options?" I did not however, actually think using nuclear weapons was a workable solution, anymore than did the generals in Hersh's anonymously-sourced article who threatened to resign if the nuclear option wasn't removed from the table.
Like the President, I do not desire military conflict—or in light of Iranian intrusion into Iraq,
more military conflict—with Iran, and would much prefer a diplomatic settlement where no more lives need be lost. I agree with the apparent assessment of Steyn and others that the Iranian mullahcracy will not stop until they are stopped, and that stoppage, like so many things in the Islamic world, will only occur at the point of the sword.
The American nuclear option of using B61-11 tactical thermonuclear bombs or similar munitions is unsettling and unpleasant, and only to be thought of seriously if all diplomatic efforts fail, and no other military response seems capable. But it
is an option, and one that must be considered. They stakes—tens of millions of lives across the Middle East and southwest Asia—are simply too high. Yes, some generals will not want to even consider this option, but generals tend fight the last war, and the civilian leadership most be more nimble in considering what may occur if we fail to stop the Iranians here.
To fail here is tantamount to the total destruction of Israel and the Palestinians, the poisoning of Jordan, Lebanon, and surrounding nations by fallout from Iranian nuclear weapons, and the destruction of much of Iran in retaliation by an Israeli response, even as the Jewish state ceases to exist. It is a price Iran says it is willing to pay, but what of neighboring Iraq, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan? What of other nations that will reap what Iran has sown? They have no say is determining this nuclear winter that ends their lives, and yet they all stand to lose because of an Iranian mullahcracy that has never deviated from its plan to rule the world for Islam, or die.
Iran cannot win this war, but it can destroy much, including Islam itself.
An Iran-triggered nuclear war would wipe out a significant portion of the cradle of civilization, and draw withering fire from suddenly isolationist populations worldwide that would prudently declare Islam a threat to the security of their states. The religion would be banned in many nations, it adherents driven out or underground in others, and the remaining Islamic nations not dying of radiation poisoning and internal wars brought about by this strife will be targeted at the slightest hint of provocation.
How long will the first Islamic nuclear state, Pakistan, last in this environment of well-earned distrust for the Islamic Bomb? What will happen to Pakistan's nuclear weapons when Pervez Musharraf is no longer firmly in charge? If Pakistan falters and control of its weapons is in doubt for even a second, the response will be swift, punitive, and decisive.
If Iran succeeds in its unholy task, Islam itself may die because the remainder of the world will deem it too dangerous to exist. Iran will kill Allah. It may take generations, but Allah will be a god as dead and forgotten as
Huitzlopochtli and
Heimdall. One billion Muslims armed mainly with small arms cannot compete against the modern world's militaries should the battle ever fully be joined. They will achieve their Islamic Armageddon, but they will go "into the light" alone, as forgotten as the followers of Odin and Ra.
President Bush said in his 2002
State of the Union Address:
We'll be deliberate, yet time is not on our side. I will not wait on events, while dangers gather. I will not stand by, as peril draws closer and closer. The United States of America will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons.
Iran is the most dangerous of those remaining regimes, and it is seeking the world's most destructive weapons. Diplomacy is our first option as it should always be. If all else fails, however, we owe it to the world to resolve the problem of Iran's nuclear ambitions with any and all of the technologies at our disposal.
Too many lives hang in the balance not to take that difficult step.
Update: And time
draws short.
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Sy Hersh has done something else, probably unintentionally, but possibly not.
Because of his open stating of "The US is considering nukes." he's guaranteed we will.
Stay with me.
It doesn't matter in this context if we do or don't.
Because if we hit *any* underground facility that has radioactive material in it - it will be trotted out as proof that *we* used a nuke.
Never mind if it's the right isotopes or amount of radiation for a nuke - the geiger counters will click and the radiacmeters register... and those who are prone to believe we did it will believe we did it - and it will get reported that way.
You heard it here first. Hey, I was the first guy to predict that someone in San Francisco would quickly hatch a plan to make the USS Iowa a Gay Icon.
If this works out (I hope not, frankly) I'll have scored like a broken clock. Right twice.
Posted by: John of Argghhh! at April 11, 2006 03:42 PM (Iymsr)
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It seems Iran has reached the limits of it's insanity and unless a serious turn of events takes place very quickly in that country, being hit is the only option they are leaving the world.
Your assessment of the situation and probable outcome of a nuclear Iran is brilliant. Thanks
Posted by: Fish at April 11, 2006 11:05 PM (KpjA/)
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John of Argghhh,
The usual suspects claim our use of specially de-enriched depleted uranium constituted the use of a nuclear weapon on our part, as well as claiming WP as a chemical weapon instead of an incidnary. In short, ..-. 'em. If they're going to have the same reaction no matter what we do, we shouldn't change our plans on account of their kvetching.
Posted by: Cybrludite at April 12, 2006 06:29 AM (XFoEH)
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Master Luddite - Just for the record - I didn't suggest we should take the option off the table. I just pointed out we would get blamed, regardless of what we did.
I suppose I could have added, "So we might as well" except that I, a former nuke weapons person myself, just hate the damn things six ways to Sunday.
Posted by: John of Argghhh! at April 12, 2006 07:39 AM (9FPYz)
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I’d like to respond to your comments on your website on the 11th April 2006.
Firstly the war on Terror will only end when terror has ended. That is why I would like an ended the war on Terror. As for “The War on Terror” as named by the USA that is something of a political game. A true war on terror or terrorism would start by defining what terrorism is and apply the war equally where ever it exists. Not as the USA has done to block the UN request to define what terrorism is. In this way the USA decides what is Terrorism today and what it might be tomorrow to service its own political purpose. Hypocrisy continued.
Maybe you wish to war to continue indefinitely without any desire to see an end to terror? Do you understand the book 1984 by Aldus Huxley?
On a separate matter I agree that Iran is probably trying to get the “Ultimate Weapon” and the eradication of Israel. If Iran were to use it then there would be consequences for Iran, the death of millions etc. And threats like this have brought Pakistan and India to relative peace. As for whether this would destroy Islam I doubt as most Muslims do not live in the Middle East. And would I care if Islam was destroyed? Not particularly, neither wouldn’t care if Christianity was destroyed, for I am Agnostic. Despite the impression you may have got from my name I am not, nor have I ever been a Muslim. So my religion will not be destroyed, nor will my world as my world is not in the Middle East. If my name was John Doe you would not have jumped to such conclusions and accusations but looked at the facts.
Farhad Saidieh
Posted by: Farhad Saidieh at April 15, 2006 08:58 AM (MTpdv)
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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't "1984" by Orwell?
AF
Posted by: AF at April 16, 2006 08:32 PM (SahoL)
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Yes you got me it's Orwell.
Posted by: Farhad Saidieh at April 18, 2006 01:41 PM (MTpdv)
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Bush Annexes Mexico In Surprise Oval Office Ceremony
In a move anticipated by Instapundit blogger Glenn Reynolds last night, (now former) Mexican President Vicente Fox signed over sovereignty of Mexico to American President George W. Bush this morning in Washington, D.C.

Citing rampant corruption within his own government, poor
economic planning and internal development under his regime that has left Mexico bereft of
a middle class, Fox said, "it is the only right thing to do for the Mexican people. Generations of Mexican government has proven we have no business running a country."
"At this time, 12 million Mexicans are already taking advantage of the American economy and have developed a taste for American services. It seems only fair to extend the rights of America to the rest of my former country."
While a beaming Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was present for the impromptu and hastily prepared signing, the Administration firmly rebuked charges made by anonymous sources that Rumsfeld had threatened an "undocumented redeployment" of America military forces to secure Fox's signature.
Upon hearing of the historic agreement, Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo hastily called for the construction of a border wall separating the new American States of Chaipas, Campeche, and Quintanta Roo from illegal aliens infiltrating from Belize and Guatemala.
President Bush reassured Tancredo that existing immigration laws between the former Mexican States and it's two southern neighbors would "remain the same" as they were under
Mexico's immigration laws. This means future illegal aliens would not have rights to public political discourse, certain basic property rights, equal employment rights, and that illegal immigrants may be expelled for any reason. Tancredo was said to be satisfied.
Halliburton could not be reached for comment.
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Posted by: Dan tdaxp at April 11, 2006 11:48 AM (rM3c3)
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Humor aside, I feel the time to restart "Manifest Destiny"is upon us! Let's offer the nice people of Mexico U.S> Citizenship and all of the goodies that come with being part of the United States of North America.
There would soon be a minimum wage, all the corporations who moved South would have to start paying taxes, and we all could benefit from the wealth of raw materials available. Plus, a border with Central America would be smaller and easily defended.
As for Canada....
Posted by: dc at April 11, 2006 01:09 PM (0nvvt)
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Has anyone been able to confirm this story I havent seen it on any of the news wires or anywhere on the internet for that fact????
Posted by: 81 at April 11, 2006 01:16 PM (BuYeH)
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Just satire, 81... for now.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 11, 2006 01:20 PM (g5Nba)
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Sorry CY,
I should have read the eintire things instead of hitting a couple of points and then jumping to conclusions.
As for the issue I believe it will probably not happen espcially if Fox's heir apparents opponent wins, he likes the us even less then good ole Castro does.
Posted by: 81 at April 11, 2006 01:26 PM (lNB+R)
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Great article! I was thinking the same thing the last few days, but never got around to 'making the proposal'. This crazy idea solves everyone's problem: Mexico's corrupt and ineffective government would disappear, and they would no longer have to send their citizens north to survive. We gain the taxes from the businesses and retired Americans who migrated to Mexico. Homeland Security (what a joke) could just take over Mexico's borders, and our legal systems would not be clogged with illegal--excuse me, "undocumented"--immigrants.
This is a better policy than the Rube Goldberg contraption that the Senate is considering.
Posted by: SCH at April 12, 2006 12:00 AM (sEnvG)
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dc, I thought Canada was already one of our territories and had already been annexed.

Posted by: seawitch at April 12, 2006 07:24 AM (sEVcP)
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Yes, Saddam Recruited Terrorists
For those you who read Captain's Quarters this is old news, but Ed Morrisey hired two translators to review a section of a captured Iraqi document dated March 17, 2001 that originally translated as:
The top secret letter 2205 of the Military Branch of Al Qadisya on 4/3/2001 announced by the top secret letter 246 from the Command of the military sector of Zi Kar on 8/3/2001 announced to us by the top secret letter 154 from the Command of Ali Military Division on 10/3/2001 we ask to provide that Division with the names of those who desire to volunteer for Suicide Mission to liberate Palestine and to strike American Interests and according what is shown below to please review and inform us.
According to this translation, it seems that Saddam's military was actively recruiting suicide bombers to attack American targets in the months preceding 9/11. Did the two additional translators that Ed Morrissey hired reach a similar translation?
Yes.
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Blame Jumpers
As allegations of gang rape swirled against Duke University lacrosse players, ESPN and MSNBC were among many news outlets that tried to suggest that alcohol-related misdemeanors were a dark precursor to rape. NPR was one of many media members more than willing to play up the racial angle, exacerbating tension in Durham and elsewhere. Salon was just one news outlet with the apparent intent of stirring up a class struggle. It seems quite a substantial portion of the media had tried and convicted the Duke lacrosse team before the first charge was even filed.
Now that DNA evidence
seems to have cleared the lacrosse team of the charges for a forensic perspective, will Ellen Goodman be the spokesperson to apologize on behalf of the media? Goodman
wrote four days ago that many bloggers "have only one exercise routine: jumping to conclusions." As she is somehow qualified to judge conclusion jumping in the blogosphere, she is at least equally as qualified to judge her friends in the media when they are obviously guilty of making the exact same mistake for a longer period of time.
Does anyone think she'll have the integrity to do so?
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Posted by: F at April 11, 2006 07:17 AM (KpjA/)
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That should have said Fish posted it, not "F". Wonder if that's my grade.
Posted by: Fish at April 11, 2006 07:19 AM (KpjA/)
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Why would she tell everyone she was wrong when in her mind I'm sure she still thinks she was right!
Posted by: 81 at April 11, 2006 09:28 AM (BuYeH)
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This all started with the DA. He still thinks he has a case without DNA and with pictures that refute her claim. Maybe some of the team should consider sueing him. His conduct has been very unethical.
Posted by: David Caskey at April 11, 2006 10:13 AM (6wTpy)
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"Innocent until proven guilty" seldom applies to the court of public opinion- we are willing to believe any heinous crime of a stranger except that of making a false accusation.
Posted by: Amber at April 11, 2006 10:34 AM (YUrMR)
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I find it funny that he says he is still pursuing charges without a leg to stand on I give the DA about another month on the job til he gets fired. If he really wants to pursue some charges what about the stripper for filing false charges against the players now he might save his a** by doing that.
Posted by: 81 at April 11, 2006 12:30 PM (WGcw3)
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Her brother was shown on TV at UNC whipping up the masses.
Posted by: davod at April 11, 2006 04:28 PM (9Lfk2)
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Its good information, thank.
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April 10, 2006
Durham Bull?
I've refrained from making any comment on the Duke University lacrosse team rape allegations, for the simple reason I tend to blog about politics and the media, not criminal proceedings. That does not mean I've been ignoring the case, however, and I've been quite interested in seeing what the DNA tests of the lacrosse team would reveal.
It revealed nothing.
Wade Smith, an attorney for members of the Duke University lacrosse team, announced late Monday afternoon that no DNA samples taken from the 46 athletes matched any DNA on the alleged victim and that he hopes Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong will consider dropping the case.
Nothing on the victim's skin. Nothing on the victim's clothes. Nothing on internal swabs of the victim's mouth, anus, or vagina. Nothing on her fake fingernails found in the bathroom. Nothing, anywhere.
Nothing.
The local and national media have been on something of a witch hunt against the lacrosse team from the very beginning, painting a picture of spoiled rich kids abusing a girl working her way through college any way she could. That narrative presented by the media seems all but shattered now.
Once again, a witch hunt provides no witches, and the prosecution's case seems reduced to so much Durham bull. And yet, I doubt we'll hear anything in the way of media apologies...
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Why would the LSM print any kind of correction to their tribal positions of whites (Republicans) oppress blacks? You'd never catch a bunch of hard working liberal college kids partying like that, right?
No substantiating DNA evidence does nothing toward overturning the public opinion guilty pronouncement fostered by the LSM. They've moved on to other more pertinent issues now, like Bush lied. They can't be bothered with the facts now.
Posted by: Old Soldier at April 10, 2006 07:24 PM (owAN1)
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Yo! Old Soldier ...
Does LSM equate to Lame Stream Media? :-) :-)
Posted by: Retired Spy at April 10, 2006 08:23 PM (fMYGX)
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Guilty until proven innocent, then ignored. Typical MSM tactics - too bad about your reputation because they'll never let anyone know you were not guilty.
Posted by: Fish at April 10, 2006 10:41 PM (KpjA/)
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This is why they ARE guilty no matter the evidence.
The victim? Woman, "impoverished" and Black. The accusation? RAPE.
There is no forgiving that ever, even if it is a blatant lie. and there is no recovering from it.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 10, 2006 10:51 PM (QTv8u)
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The station here in Baltimore, Channel 2/ABC says that DNA is just 1 of the things that police use to make a case and that it isn't nearly over. BUT if a black man in jail for 20 years is cleared by DNA well..........that's it, he didn't do it. DNA is 100% correct in saying he didn't do it. OMG what a farce. I really feel for those kids. Lets see the pictures of the beat up girl when she got there, now please!
Posted by: ticketplease at April 11, 2006 07:37 AM (MF225)
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Retired Spy, yes, LSM = Lame Stream Media. “MSM” seems to bestow some degree of legitimacy that the media (by and large) does not deserve; at least in my feeble old mind, anyway.
Posted by: Old Soldier at April 11, 2006 12:10 PM (X2tAw)
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Ticketplease, you said it, the same DNA evidence is somehow 100% reliable when used to exculpate a defendant, but is said to be "unreliable" to convict.(See O.J.Simpson case).
Posted by: Tom TB at April 12, 2006 07:49 AM (wZLWV)
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It Washes Off in the Rio Grande
Some are estimating that as many as one million people—roughly one for every twelve illegals—will be protesting today in what are calling a national day of action for "immigrants' dignity."
Thousands of demonstrators wearing white T-shirts and waving signs and American flags filled the streets of an immigrant neighborhood Monday for the first of dozens of marches planned in a national day of action billed as a "campaign for immigrants' dignity."
The two-mile Atlanta march was in support of immigrant rights nationally as well as in protest of state legislation awaiting Gov. Sonny Perdue's signature. If signed, it would require that adults seeking many state-administered benefits prove they are in the country legally.
Carlos Carrera, a construction worker from Mexico, held a large banner that read: "We are not criminals. Give us a chance for a better life."
Dignity?
To borrow from Inigo Montoya in
The Princes Bride, "I do not think that word means what they thinks it means."
Dignity, according to the relevant part of the entry in the
Free Online Dictionary, is:
1. The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect.
2. Inherent nobility and worth: the dignity of honest labor.
3.
a. Poise and self-respect.
b. Stateliness and formality in manner and appearance.
Dignity, it seems fair to say, is something that you either have, or something you have not. You cannot impart an inherent quality; it is present, or it isn't. Dignity can be lost and regained, but it is not something anyone else can bestow upon you.
Illegal immigrants have no dignity because they know that no matter how much they deny it,
they are criminals, each and every one, without exception. You may not like that label, Carlos Carrera, but is still the truth. You run from problems in your own country instead of finding a way to make your own nation better, and leach off American citizens that which is not rightfully yours to take.
Illegals don't take tax dollars from America's rich, they steal it from America's poor,
robbing the weakest in our society of what we have set aside for them. They are criminals for crossing our borders against our laws. They are criminals for stealing services allocated to our poor. I have heard of honor among thieves, but never dignity. Illegals have no dignity, and deserve no respect.
Do you really want dignity, illegals? Go back to your home countries. Make yourselves worthy of respect by reforming your corrupt governments, instead of trying to undermine ours. If you do come here, do so legally. Follow our laws. Respect our traditions and our cultures, and you will find that respect reciprocated. Disrespect us, demanding by the hundreds of thousands what is not your to demand, only hardens our hearts to your transgressions.
All twelve million illegals can protest for dignity, but dignity is not something that can be given to criminals.
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I am in the middle on this issue I think they shoul dall be sent back but then institute a guest worker program. But like I said the first things is they all must go!
Posted by: 81 at April 10, 2006 12:28 PM (y67bA)
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Dignity?
It's like my Grandmother told me:
If you have to tell people you are a Lady, you're not one.
Posted by: Bill at April 11, 2006 10:30 AM (DKQoy)
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Great post CY. Well said.
Posted by: Md at April 11, 2006 07:39 PM (cjWuR)
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Hersh, Bush, Nukes and Iran
I seem to be among the last of the political bloggers commenting on Seymour Hersh's article in the New Yorker, where he writes that the Administration has not ruled out the option of using small tactical nukes (including B61-11s) to eliminate the Iranian nuclear weapons program.
I can't say that I'm surprised the nuclear option was on the table; I did write about this exact same bomb not
once, but
twice in a more hypothetical sense more than a week ago, precisely because I think Bush once said something to the effect that "all options were on the table," and to me, "all" does in fact mean
all. Predictably, the left thinks that the Hersh article is this week's concrete proof that Bush is the anti-Christ (as if that is a new opinion for them), some on the far right are ready to nuke first and ask questions later, and most center-right blogger's realize that a the use of a B61-11 is a worst-case scenario option to be used only if all other attempts fail.
What does amaze me is rhetoric from some here in the United States willing to label Bush as insane or unhinged for what has been to date a measured, reasonable response, while Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who claims to have
felt a holy light while addressing the United Nations in September, has time and again spoken of an "end times" scenario that his regime is rumored to have pledged to try to bring about. A Holocaust-denier with Messianic delusions runs a End-times-focused regime that has openly stated it would like to see Israel "wiped off the map." They are apparently hoping to trigger a massive nuclear war which they think will bring forth the
Hidden Imam, and Bush is the one who is insane for being willing to stop them from acquiring nuclear weapons that could end tens of millions of lives?
The guys at
South Park are correct. We are a nation of people with their heads buried firmly in the sand.
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I'm going to study Ahmadinejad's speeches more thoroughly, seems like if Hitler were alive today, he could sue for plagarism. The benefit of this war that few people talk about, is that Libyan leader Qaddhafi caved in, he didn't want to end his days like Saddam.
Posted by: Tom TB at April 10, 2006 07:38 AM (wZLWV)
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I was watching the news today on this topic. One of the taling heads, it might have been Hersh, was very upset that if we used the nuclear bombs that we would then have 1.2 billion Muslims mad enough at us to go to war. It seems to me we are at war with these people. When is anyone going to wake up??
Posted by: David Caskey, MD at April 10, 2006 10:55 AM (6wTpy)
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It didn't have to be this way, but that's the way Bush wants it, he gets it...
Posted by: Fred at April 10, 2006 10:59 AM (dbo1X)
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P.S. Hitler would have a pretty good suit against Ann Coulter as well...
Posted by: Fred at April 10, 2006 11:03 AM (dbo1X)
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The scary thing is that Bush and Ahmedinejad, with their messianism and certitude, each seem like caricatures of the other. I never imagined I would be nostalgic for the grey pinstriped, achingly restrained "wise men" who kept American foreign policy focused on the balance of power for so many decades. Boring looks good right about now.
Posted by: cwhig at April 10, 2006 11:11 AM (MhCSt)
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So it was Bush's fault that Sep 11th happened right?? Since that was the major event that took place that led the US into each of the last two Conflicts. (Since congress never made a declaration of war)
I had been sent off the coast of Iraq FIVE times while Clinton was in office and each time Saddam grew bolder. The southern no fly zone was supposed to be exactly that but consistently our pilots would run into MIGs that would turn and run back across the line.
As far as WMD's to think that Saddam didnt have them is quite literally ignorant. If he didnt have them then how did he manage to Kill thousands of Kurds with a chemical strike????
This is all for not though because no matter what I or any other military member says you will continue to sip the Kool Aid and believe GW Bush is a bad man. Thats ok though because the lives of friends and family I have personnaly lost gave you the right to think that way. Hope you sleep well at night.
Posted by: 81 at April 10, 2006 12:12 PM (WGcw3)
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"Has not ruled out nukes." Well, duh. The pentagon damn well should be looking at that. They're paid to figure out ways to win wars. Leave Oh, No, No, Never, to clergymen.
What I also hope is on the table is taking out the Iran Govt, not just their lethal toys. This beast can always grow new claws; growing a new head is considerably harder.
Posted by: igout at April 10, 2006 12:46 PM (rJQZO)
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Heads in the sand, or else we've passed into Looking-Glass world. Or maybe both at the same time.
Here's my take on the Hersh piece, which is basically the usual game of unattributed "telephone" that he so loves to play, against the usual targets: those neocons. If it weren't for the neocons (Hersh and company seem to think), the mullahs, eminently rational actors, would be sitting down to negotiate in good faith.
Posted by: neo-neocon at April 10, 2006 12:47 PM (B8Vqt)
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April 08, 2006
EXCLUSIVE: NSA Used Technology, not Mind Control, to Intercept Calls
This proves what, exactly?
AT&T provided National Security Agency eavesdroppers with full access to its customers' phone calls, and shunted its customers' internet traffic to data-mining equipment installed in a secret room in its San Francisco switching center, according to a former AT&T worker cooperating in the Electronic Frontier Foundation's lawsuit against the company.
Mark Klein, a retired AT&T communications technician, submitted an affidavit in support of the EFF's lawsuit this week. That class action lawsuit, filed in federal court in San Francisco last January, alleges that AT&T violated federal and state laws by surreptitiously allowing the government to monitor phone and internet communications of AT&T customers without warrants.
This sounds serious, but what
exactly does Klein say he actually saw?
AT&T was providing "full access to its customers' phone calls, and shunted its customers' internet traffic to data-mining equipment" according to Klein. A "secret room," that apparently all AT&T technicians knew about, was openly built beside the room housing AT&T's switching equipment for international and long distance calls.
Regular AT&T technicians, including Klein, connected circuits to a splitting cabinet leading to the secret room, which was so secret, it seems many AT&T employees knew they were being built not just there in San Francisco, but in Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles and San Diego. Obviously, this was something they were taking great efforts in trying to hide.
Then Klein adds:
Klein said he came forward because he does not believe that the Bush administration is being truthful about the extent of its extrajudicial monitoring of Americans' communications.
"Despite what we are hearing, and considering the public track record of this administration, I simply do not believe their claims that the NSA's spying program is really limited to foreign communications or is otherwise consistent with the NSA's charter or with FISA," Klein's wrote. "And unlike the controversy over targeted wiretaps of individuals' phone calls, this potential spying appears to be applied wholesale to all sorts of internet communications of countless citizens."
So what Klein actually
saw was that voice and data communications were shunted into a room that he was not allowed access to, and that he did not see any external filtering equipment that blocked voice or data communications before they entered that room.
I ask a simple question: Why would the NSA put any of their top secret, state-of-the-art equipment, including the technologies they use to target and filter calls, anywhere but in a secret room?
As a taxpayer, I wouldn't want the equipment laying around where just anyone, be it a Mark Klein or an AT&T employee working for China on the side, could access it, reveal details about it, or possibly corrupt it.
Klein's statements are based at least partially on politics, as he shows a dislike for the Administration in his statements. In the end, he only confirms the existence of the location of one specific NSA intercept site, and nothing about the program itself. He adds very little to the national debate.
Once again, the evidence (or lack thereof) is irrelevant; it's the seriousness of the charge that seems to matter.
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Who needs his testimony? We already know such monitoring is being done, and what he has to say adds nothing to the debate at all. But of course he will get a lot of MSM attention as if he'd actually said something.
Posted by: Fish at April 08, 2006 10:22 AM (KpjA/)
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We already know such monitoring is being done....
Really? And how, exactly, do we know that? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? Please do share with all of us your unimpeachable information source for this newsworthy breakthrough.
Who is doing the monitoring? What are the specific targets? Who is responsible for authorizing such monitoring? What sort of computers and sorting algorithms are being employed? Which government agency is involved? The NSA? The CIA? The DIA? The Department of Homeland Security? The Department of the Treasury? The Federal Communications Commission? The Department of Justice? The Department of Defense?
You really don't know squat, do you?
Posted by: Retired Spy at April 08, 2006 11:02 AM (rhncG)
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Hey Retired Spy, don't get on them too hard. The dim-wit party has operated totally on information they didn't know for the past 35 years. Fear is a tactic they use well. Evidently there is now 60% of the American public so retarded the can't figure out (a result of the failed school systems) what's really going on and there is mountains of information (truth)out there. Most of the time ir takes 10 minutes or less to reveal the lies of the dim-wits and the antique MSM, but once a lie is published/broadcast the retarded never believe the truth. The small information pocket in their brain is already full of the lie.
Posted by: scrapiron at April 08, 2006 11:36 AM (y6n8O)
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Additionally, I read through the Suit itself that was listed as a PDF file, and there is a whole lot of conjecture in the entire suit. Frequent use of the weasel-worded legalese terms like "information and belief" tell me that there is not much substance to any of it.
The primary information source? The Los Angeles Times. Duh!
There were "312 terabytes of data detailing nearly every telephone communication on AT&T's domestic network since 2001, according to the complaint." Who on earth would waste time trying to read all the emails or listen to all the conversations recorded in that alleged database? There are not enough people in the entire Federal Government to even put a dent in such a massive database.
I guess these LA Times folks and others would rather have all that alleged database released to Al Qaeda than to the Government of the United States? Shucks. That would not violate the Fourth Amendment, would it? Well, yes it would, actually. AT&T would be violating the law by just "monitoring" these data, much less recording them.
It will really be interesting to see how this one plays out, but I suspect that the alleged database may contain external information - email addresses and telephone numbers and physical addresses - that correlate with known external information obtained via NSA surveillance of international communications involving Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations and from other HUMINT sources.
It seems prudent to me that the U.S. Government may just be a bit interested in searching the alleged database for known externals to see if there may be some potential for buried nuggets of valuable Intelligence.
These twits at the LA Times and elsewhere don't know whether or not the NSA or the Department of Justice or the FISA Court was involved in any of this activity - if there even IS such activity.
What a bunch of boneheaded fools ....
Posted by: Retired Spy at April 08, 2006 03:23 PM (rhncG)
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Retired Spy...
"Really? And how, exactly, do we know that?"
Because the President said we were monitoring messages to and from Al Qaeda. If you want I can link you to the speech where he said that.
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OK, Fish ...
Please DO cite that statement as a quote from the President of the United States - not just some accusations from the Daily KOS or some other worthless source. Where has the President stated, specifically, that American citizens were being targeted and monitored?
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Wait a minute, Fish Wrap ...
What is illegal about monitoring communications to and from al Qaeda operatives? Are you implying that the NSA should not be monitoring these communications - even if they involve persons inside the United States, citizens and non-citizens? Why not? You had best review the definitions of those who are enemies of the United States and those who are collaborating. You might just want to start with FISA Section 1801 that cites the definitions. Just monitoring American citizens willy-nilly is an entirely different matter, and you have zero to support that sort of activity ever happening under this administration.
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RS,
You gotta remember that people like Fish think that Saddam Hussein was a good guy and that the insurgent/terrorists are really "freedom fighters".
Didn't Clinton have a data mining program called Echelon - You know were he monitored US citizens communications for "key" words?
Posted by: Specter at April 08, 2006 08:24 PM (ybfXM)
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Indeed he did, Specter. Of course, I was out of the NSA by January 1994. So what could I possible know about Intelligence collection and analysis at this point in time? :-) Surely you don't think that Wee Willy would have done something without FISA authorization, do you?
Posted by: Retired Spy at April 08, 2006 09:18 PM (rhncG)
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I guess I've not been clear in my comments here. You gentlemen seem to think I'm siding with this Mark Klein idiot. I am saying we (the U.S.) are monitoring communications with Al Qaeda. Many of these Al Qaeda members or sympathizers are indeed citizens of this country and said communications are therefore between citizens of this country, residing in this country, and foreign nationals. Like I said in my first statement, what Mark Klein says adds nothing to the debate. Why? Because he has no evidence, no proof to back up his speculations or beliefs that anything more than that is happening. He obviously hates the current administration, is a left wing wacko, and is therefore make a lot of unfounded noise hoping to either discredit this administration, or to get his fifteen minutes of fame.
I would be screaming at everyone from the President down if we WERE NOT monitoring any and all communications that might help us capture or kill terrorists, disrupt their operations and organizations, and head off another 9/11.
The President says as much in a speech listed on the White House web site here
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051219-2.html
About the 8th and 9th paragraphs down.
Posted by: Fish at April 09, 2006 12:04 AM (KpjA/)
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Interesting how Mr. Klein knows what is in a room he has never been in, down to the specific equipment. Yeah, that's going to carry a lot of weight in court.
And how does he know this guy was from NSA? I doubt he went around the halls announcing that.
Posted by: MikeM at April 09, 2006 06:40 AM (XU9uQ)
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Sorry if I misinterpreted Fish and thanks for the clarification.
Posted by: Specter at April 09, 2006 12:15 PM (ybfXM)
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Sorry, Fish ...
I misunderstood what you were writing too. I assumed - incorrectly - that you were criticizing the Bush Administration for conducting blanket surveillance of U.S. citizens.
Posted by: Retired Spy at April 09, 2006 02:02 PM (rhncG)
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No apology necessary gentlemen. Had I been clear with my earlier statements there would have been no confusion. The fact you've both offered apology proves my first usage of the word was a correct assessment of you both. Keep up the good work.
Posted by: Fish at April 09, 2006 04:44 PM (KpjA/)
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So the best the libs can come up with to challange the President, the Attorney General, the leadership of the House and Senate is a telphone technician? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Posted by: Ray Robison at April 09, 2006 09:24 PM (4joLu)
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The secret rooms were for stretching our coffee breaks an extra 20 or 30 minutes. There's going to be trouble now.
Posted by: Dennis at April 09, 2006 10:43 PM (MkC0g)
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I think the point is that ALL traffic is defacto available for screening without court order. The U.S. Constitution was designed to protect Americans from unnecessary/unwarranted search.
Had Bill Clinton or another Democratic president installed a similar program, wouldn't the right be concerned? Wasn't Hillary under attack accessing FBI files, etc.? What are the safe guards in place to protect Americans?
Anyone who really understands networking knows how easily something like this can be abused. For instance, if all traffic passes thru the NSA system then copies of the data can be created. Therefore, all of your e-mails, web searches, web sufing and phone calls could be duplicated and searched at any time.
Maybe you trust the Bush Administration, but what about the next administration or the one after that? Unfortunately, history has many examples of governments abusing and oppressing their citizens.
It's like separation of religion from government. What if you're a Christian who moves to new Dearborn, MI which has a predominately Muslim population. How cool would it be to suddenly find yourself having to live under "Muslim" law? What if the local police have access to spy tech to listen to surveil you to ensure that you follow the rules? Similarly, what if your a Protestand who moves to a Catholic dominated city? Would you want the authorities to monitor you to ensure that you follow Catholic teachings? I'm Protestant, I like my personal relationship with Jesus and don't want to confess to a priest or pray to saints.
It's easy to dismiss these things except there are so many examples of governments doing destructive things to their citizens. For instance, in the U.S. up until the mid-1970s Americans could be forcibly sterilized in some states. Until 1967, interracial marriage was illegal and punishable by felony convictions. Were it not for interracial relationships there would be no Colin Powell, Martin Luther King Jr., and others.
Finally, I read a really good article I'd like to recommend..
http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/rebelsclue2.html
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Had Bill Clinton or another Democratic president installed a similar program, wouldn't the right be concerned?
He did issue what is actually a far wider-ranging, far less targeted program, and rightly so (do note, however, the wikipedia entry eroneously conflates the two). The problem with some folks is that they are more paranoid over baseless claims that our government is out to get us while they are busy ignoring very real threats.
Liberals are not really threatened by Bush and deep down they know it, but it is far easier to label him an enemy and attack him than admit that the multi-culturalism and peace at any cost philosophy they've been preaching is to blame for most of our present problems both domestically and internationally, adn that real hard work far more intensive than "blame Bush" must occur. He is the scapegoat for their own pitiful failings.
The Democrats should change their party symbol from an ass to something even more appropriate, like an ostrich with his head buried in the sand.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 10, 2006 08:31 AM (g5Nba)
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Isn't it interesting that since MSM did not make an issue about ECHELON the left does not know about it? How many clueless ones are going to come here and say the same thing - If a Dem President did it.....THEY DID. Read - Learn - Study - Analyze.
Posted by: Specter at April 10, 2006 10:00 AM (ybfXM)
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What is in that big scary database is a whole lot less exciting if you have to actually look at it. It's full of these things known as CDRs. For those of you who have never maintained a PBX much less worked for a telco, those are "call detail records" and they are skull-splittingly boring to look at. No titillating stuff at all unless you get excited to know something like XXX-XXX-XXXX called YYY-YYY-YYYY at NNNNNN for a duration of MMMM. Groovy stuff if you want to know if that new shipping clerk is the one calling 976-spankme but hardly the stuff of deep dark conspiracy. There's nothing in it about who was actually talking on the line or what they said, much less anyone's names. A 312TB database sounds like a big deal but when you consider how many calls go through a switch at any given time, all I can say is that I am surprised it isn't bigger. And how the hell can anyone seriously claim to be shocked or upset that the telco kept a record of their transaction? Wouldn't you be a bit pissed if the bank didn't keep records like that? Or maybe you would prefer to be billed based on how much the carrier feels like charging when they get around to billing you?
If you want to be upset that the government poked around in that database fine, but trying to make it sound like the database was chock-a-block with juicy details of peoples calls is irresponsible BS.
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Very good points, Niall. As for Noah, he appears to be living in a world bordering on psychotic paranoia. Having worked for the NSA for 36 years, I can assure you that there are not enough employees in the entire Federal government - nor is there any interest - to collect and store and analyze such volumes of information. The NSA DOES NOT collect the sort of stuff to which Noah refers. It would be foolish and a waste of precious resources. I guess Noah must see a conspiracy under every rock. Come out and enjoy the fresh air and sunshine, Noah.
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Joe Wilson reveals more about himself than he probably should. No wonder his wife wanted a secret identity.
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I'm not certain about the premise of this particular article. You mean to say there is something Joe Wilson said here that is disagreeable?
His observations seem pretty spot on to me.
Posted by: Paddy O'Shea at April 08, 2006 09:09 AM (Ox6w0)
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Paddy,
What you have to remember is that Joe Wilson has been proven - this isn't just speculation now - but proven to be a partisan liar. Anything he says is suspect.
Posted by: Specter at April 08, 2006 08:37 PM (ybfXM)
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Heh. Whatever on the Wilson tip. Spec. I'm sure you can pretty much convince yourself of anything.
But Fitz's investigation does seem to keep on keeping on, right? And this week it was revealed that Bush leaks like a wino's trousers.
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Leak is defined as releasing information without authorization. So what leak? You really need to read someting besides the newspaper for info on this. I'll see if I can come up with some info. for you.
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Love the parse, Spec.
Honestly, I couldn't give a damn whether Bush broke the law about spilling state secrets or not. What I do love is watching TV news show tapes of Bush bleating about leaks a couple of years back, and all the while he was doing it as well! And man oh man, they just keeping showing that good shit over and over again. Talk about getting caught with the meat in your mouth!
Old Georgie W has about as much credibility as OJ right now.
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See Paddy - your irish intelligence showing through. No understanding of the differences in words. That's OK. I guess your wouldn't know or even acknowledge Hoe Wilson's lies anyways. But I love reading reports about it. There are quite a few out there. Maybe some day you'll do some research. But I doubt it.
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Hey, Ellen!
Please, tell us more about how the mainstream media has more professionalism and credibility than bloggers, will you?
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Hunh. Looks like this is yet another right wing site that is talking to itself these days.
Just remember: Bush is conservative. And that should serve as adequate warning to those who would consider moving to the right for at least the next 3 decades.
Posted by: Paddy O'Shea at April 08, 2006 09:02 AM (Ox6w0)
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Ha ha ha. You and 33 million other bloggers amount to a whole hill of poo poo.
You can stick a loudspeaker next to a pig's butt. You'll hear a real loud noise. Doesn't mean that there's anything of use in it.
That's the same with you and your site. All noise, nothing of use.
Posted by: don't care at April 08, 2006 11:37 AM (tvSua)
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Globe, a glass bubble where the dim-wits live?
Posted by: scrapiron at April 08, 2006 11:40 AM (y6n8O)
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I sent Ellen a nice note reminding her that most of the posts I read about Jill Carroll where sympathetic and using a few bloggers careless words to characterize the death of the blogosphere was far more extreme than the incident she criticizes. But of course, that is logic, whistling in the wind....
BTW, isn't it odd how the libs who claim to care about the little guy are so busy trying to discredit them by saying they have no value. There are cases wwhere a certain amount of expertise is essential, but opinion is opinion and everybody has a right to it. I wonder of they ACLU will file a complaint against the Boston globe for supressing freedom of speech. And who was the audiance anyway? Is there anybody out there literate enough to read a blog who hasn't figured out the MSM is on the way out?
Posted by: Ray Robison at April 08, 2006 08:26 PM (4joLu)
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BTW Paddy (isn't that Jimmy Fallons character on SNL?) you aren't fit to lick President Bush's underware.
Posted by: Ray Robison at April 08, 2006 08:29 PM (4joLu)
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underwear...whatever, you aren't fit to sniff it
Posted by: Ray Robison at April 08, 2006 08:31 PM (4joLu)
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It's under WEAR, dumbshit
Posted by: Ray Don't NO English at April 08, 2006 09:38 PM (tvSua)
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if you got your head out of bush's bum, you might have an original thought, underWARE sniffer.
We should throw all the people who don't know how to speak English out of the country.
Go back to the rock you crawled out from, Ray. You obviously don't know English.
Posted by: Raysniffs Bush's panties at April 08, 2006 09:41 PM (tvSua)
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Pathetic libs, when you find yourselves able to stop bending over to take it from every Jihadist who wants your children to kneel to the Califate and bind to Sharia law, then you can tell other people what to do. Until then, just let the grownups handle the tough stuff while you worry about legalizing pot to stimulate your assclown frisco parties where you bust on Bush while shagging each other in the shanghi. P.S. you and Reid aren't fit to like Cheney's crack.
Posted by: Ray Robison at April 08, 2006 09:56 PM (4joLu)
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Watch the language, guys.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 08, 2006 10:07 PM (0fZB6)
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Quite a site you guys have here. Underwear sniffing, eh?
Wow.
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Ellen Goodman Owes Us an Apology
Boston Globe columnist Ellen Goodman writes:
I AM SURE that Jill Carroll and her family are too busy inhaling the sweet spring air of freedom to spend time sniffing out the pollution in the blogosphere. Anyone who spent three months imagining the grimmest fate for this young journalist in the hands of terrorists can't get too upset when a little Internet posse goes after her scalp.
Nevertheless, this is not a good moment for the bustling, energetic Wild West of the new Internet media. Remember when a former CBS executive described bloggers as guys in pajamas writing in their living rooms? Well, it seems that many have only one exercise routine: jumping to conclusions.
It seems Goodman is breaking quite a sweat herself.
Goodman smears large swathes of the blogosphere based upon cherry-picked comments from just two specific bloggers out of more than 33.5 million (as tracked by
Technorati), along with commentary from Debbie Schlussel, who while having a blog, also belongs to Goodman's print media as a "frequent New York
Post and Jerusalem
Post columnist" according to her
bio.
Goodman misrepresents the blogosphere, as the vast majority of blogs on both the political left and right did not write about Jill Carroll to "go after her scalp" as Goodman contends. The overwhelimng majority on the left and right defended Carroll,
myself included, many urging a wait-and-see approach, strongly suspecting her comments were made
under duress. A relative
handful did attack Carroll, but these bloggers were hardly representative of the greater whole.
Implying that the blogosphere in general want to attack Carroll is every bit as disingenuous on Goodman's part as is someone else saying that most Boston
Globe columnists are dishonest because of the plagiarism of
Mike Barnicle and
Patricia Smith.
Then again, maybe misrepresenting the work of others is the exercise of choice among columnists at the Boston
Globe.
A real neat thing about bloggers that Ellen Goodman should know about is that we are notoriously
self-correcting when we're wrong.
Let's see if she can meet
our standards.
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As a supporter of the bloggers who "attacked" (i.e. raised serious questions regarding the journalism of) Jill Carroll, I'm glad to see your rebuttal of Goodman's shoddy thinking. The only place her essay would get an "A" is in journalism school. Any reasonable philosophy professor would rip her conclusion to shreds.
Posted by: gus3 at April 07, 2006 09:12 PM (eDFjx)
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Gus
The only place right-wing bloggers get any notice is in this silly little circle-jerk you fools seem to run. This level of self-congratulatory excess you shmoes keep up makes "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job" look like an exemplar of understatement.
Yeah, philosophy departments are full of liberals. No A for you there either.
Posted by: phil at April 08, 2006 11:41 AM (tvSua)
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Well, gee, Phil, you seem to have noticed us. Are you saying you're part of the circle-jerk? Oh, wait, that would mean Ellen Goodman is, too!
Check the facts on Jill Carroll's writing, then re-read the Goodman column. Carroll has garnered a lot of support from the terror supporters (check here), for her sympathetic portrayals of the freedom-haters in the Middle East. And she has not repudiated that support. No wonder the terror front groups made all kinds of noises about kidnapping the "wrong" target.
As for Ellen Goodman, the juxtaposition of her "feminist" dogma and her opposition to freedom in Iraq exposes her hypocrisy with little mental effort. (Is that asking too much of you?) Since she can't bash the President on facts, she can only bash him and his supporters with ad hominem attacks. Gotta keep up her liberal street cred somehow.
Posted by: gus3 at April 08, 2006 01:46 PM (Msn5J)
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She got that exercise/jumping to conclusions like, oddly enough, from Captain's Quarters, I think.
Posted by: Dan Collins at April 08, 2006 06:13 PM (54Rqu)
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Wrong, Dan. Not even close.
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Fristed
On the day the Gospel of Judas was revealed, Senate Republicans declared their betrayal of Republican voters.
Senate Republicans have put forth a proposal that awards more benefits to illegals the longer they've broken immigration laws. The immigration "compromise" that John O'Sullivan
properly recognizes as a surrender leaves many angry conservatives feeling violated and abused by Senate Republicans led by Bill Frist that refused to listen to their constituents.
We were violated by our own party, who proved one again securing the nation's borders really doesn't matter to them. I hope these Senators enjoy ever second of their surrender of values, as conservative bloggers will not let the
65% supermajority of Republicans voters forget this betrayal in elections to come.
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Gott'a love it, every time democrasy works the way it's supposed to you know bi-partisan with the magority party getting 60%-65% of they want and the minority getting the rest-it,s betrayal.
But be warned don't want to learn like the dem's did do you? Just what was they did back in the '60's (the last time dem had a complete magority) that delivered the south to the republican party for a generation or three, wasn't there something about unatural marriages gong on then too. Double dare ya' to say honestly just what that was.
Anyway it's nice to see real democrasy can still work.
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Good lord, that was one of the most incomprehensible comments I've ever seen.
Posted by: Jordan at April 06, 2006 04:52 PM (pLJN7)
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This is just a reflection of the golden rule of politics. Those with the gold make the rules.
Did you think the G.O.P. would turn it's back on business?
Posted by: John Edward at April 06, 2006 05:15 PM (XIYG+)
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I, for one, will never donate another dime to the RNC. Nor will I spend another minute stuffing envelopes, knocking on doors or manning a phone bank.
This is not a betrayal of political principle, but rather, a repudiation of national interest.
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at April 06, 2006 07:44 PM (WOQ34)
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In 2004 I voted the Republican ticket and sent a small contribution to the GOP. I thought it would make a difference.
What a fool I was. An illegal immigrant, waving a Mexican flag, chanting revolutionary slogans, and marching through downtown LA has more pull with Senate Republicans than I do.
George W. Bush and Bill Frist have just convinced me to stay home next election day.
Posted by: Chuck at April 06, 2006 07:50 PM (wZLWV)
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I am finished with the Republicians too. They are worthless as far as I am concerned. They don't belong in power
Posted by: David Venturi at April 06, 2006 09:33 PM (7keE2)
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Aiiyee. The Mobys are thick as gnats around this site lately.
Tob
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Just a point of correction. I think the so-called Gospel of Judas was first discussed about 129 AD or so. Reputedly, it was written by Gnostics, who were not exactly mainstream Christians of that time. Just sayin'...
Posted by: Gnostic at April 07, 2006 06:25 PM (zoinL)
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Yet, at the end of the day the real Republicans denied McCain's insanity.
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McKinney: Symptom of the Disease
Via CNN:
No more he-grabbed-she-slapped -- whether U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney should be charged over a confrontation with Capitol Police last week will be decided by a grand jury, perhaps as soon as next week, said federal law enforcement sources familiar with the case.
Prosecutors have decided to present the case, and the grand jury will begin hearing testimony Thursday, the two sources said.
Senior congressional sources said that two House staff members -- Troy Phillips, an aide to Rep. Sam Farr, D-California, and Lisa Subrize, executive assistant to Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, R-Michigan -- have been subpoenaed to testify.
The Justice Department and the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, which is handling the case, refused to comment.
Law enforcement officials refuse to comment, while McKinney refuses to shut up, or even apologize, instead insisting that this isn't a matter of security, but
one of race.
But it
is about security, as it was
July 24, 1998, when Capitol Police officers John Gibson and Jacob Chestnut were gunned down trying to protect members of Congress just like McKinney at the same kind of checkpoint she bypassed and ignored.
Slain Capitol Police officers John M. Gibson, left, and Jacob J. Chestnut, right.
Via the Washington Post.
Officer Chestnut was in a very similar situation to the one Cynthia McKinney placed the Capitol Police in last week, when she bypassed a metal detector like the one Officer Chestnut was manning and refused to stop.
The difference between the instances was that a bullet from Russell Weston's .38-caliber revolver killed Officer Chestnut almost instantly as he pushed through the checkpoint in 1998, and the Capitol Police were fortunate that Representative McKinney was armed only with a cell phone.
Cynthia McKinney has no respect for the men and women of the Capitol Police force who have placed their lives on the line for her day in and day out, and the
dead silence of her fellow Democrats speaks volumes about how they feel about crimes against the police as well.
Democrats refuse to engage in the issue, preferring to ignore it, hoping it will go away. I think we've
seen that plan before.
Update: DeLay speaks about these officers past and present as well (h/t reader Tom TB).
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Go to tomdelay.house.gov and read "These Men are Heroes", it says it all.
Posted by: Tom TB at April 06, 2006 07:50 AM (y6n8O)
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But Republicans refusing to engage in issues like Bush's illegal wiretaps, renditions and torture, and one lie after another to justify a 3+ year war in Iraq costing this country billions of dollars a day is perfectly fine, right?
Posted by: 3reddogs at April 06, 2006 08:40 AM (xEyXw)
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Now let's see if there'll be an actual Grand Jury investigation and reccomendation, or if it will be white washed (or in this case black washed). Any "Representative" that feels they do not have to obey the laws they've passed and require the average citizen to obey, should have the book thrown at them.
Posted by: Fish at April 06, 2006 09:02 AM (KpjA/)
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Ronald Reagan's 11th Commandment: "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican."
You really expect Dems to self-flagellate on TV over this nutcase? That should happen right after the Repubs apologize for DeLay. Not holding my breath either way.
Posted by: Ian at April 06, 2006 09:26 AM (5K0Zd)
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what illegal wire taps?
Posted by: Specter at April 06, 2006 10:32 AM (ybfXM)
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I think the point of this is that because Cynthia McKinny is a nutcase, all Democrats are nutcases. I guess that would mean that because Brian Doyle of Homeland Security is a pedophile, all Republicans are pedophiles. Makes sense to me.
Posted by: Randy at April 06, 2006 10:47 AM (C6anb)
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Wow... this is really the best you've got? You Republicans are in serious trouble...
Posted by: William Rabkin at April 06, 2006 10:53 AM (BJYNn)
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Lets see now, Brian Doyle was a civil service wonk that couldn't be fired by anyone. When and by whom was he hired? Has he worked in the government for over 5 years? Don't assume he's a Republican, he just may be one of your brother idiot dim-wits. In either case he's not really a criminal, he's a total mental case and life in a mental institution should be in his future, along with all pedophiles. Too many unanswered questions and assumption about the guy. The only truth so far is that he is no longer loose on the public.
Posted by: Scrapiron at April 06, 2006 10:55 AM (y6n8O)
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Added: Anyone that can't see that McKinney is a total racist, proven by her own actions, should figure out the mixture for 'Jim Jones Koolaide' and use it, they are worthless and wasting oxygen when they breathe.
Posted by: Scrapiron at April 06, 2006 10:59 AM (y6n8O)
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The best we've got about what? McKinney? Rocky? Reid? Fitz? You gotta be more specific son....
Posted by: Specter at April 06, 2006 10:59 AM (ybfXM)
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wow - you guys sure are desperate - this story is more important than delay, warrantless wiretapping of americans, the failed wars in iraq and afghanistan, hurricane katrina, abramoff, the plame leak etc?
grasping
for
straws
much?
if mckinney gets a police record out of this, she can join the illustrious company of bush and cheney...
you guys are in power - why the screeching "gotcha" victim pose? i've never seen an incumbent base so shrilly, shriekingly defensive.
maybe because your side didn't win honorably, isn't living up to its promises, and has lost the trust and support of the majority of americans?
it doesn't get better from here on out for the republicans, it just gets worse. so keep screeching. we're all having a good laugh at your expense.
you can spin it in the blogosphere all you want - history will judge w's administration as corrupt, incompetent and clueless.
god i miss REAL republicans! when did you guys turn into a religious party with no connection to reality?
Posted by: jake at April 06, 2006 11:13 AM (tv6Zr)
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Dang Jake,
What reality boat did you miss? The story you seem to have missed is that U.S. Rep McKinney ignored proper procedures, ignored Capitol Police when told to halt numerous times, became confrontational and assulted a Police Officer. This goes beyond anything minor. To deflect criticism, she is claiming racisim at the top of her lungs to all that will listen.
By historical counts of previous wars, we are actually doing quite well, the people I have talked to that just returned form Iraq (they were actually there) also have high hopes and say the average people want us there.
The wiretaps aren't illegal, so say the courts so far.
CY has critisized those that need it, republican or democrat, makes no difference.
Hurrican Kitrina was a foolish debacle run by a corrupt mayor and an incompentent governor.
and last but not least,
most of the "screeching" has been coming from the Democratic camp directed at the "ILLEGAL BUSH REGIME"
Read some real news for a change and get off of Daily KO's
Posted by: Retired Navy at April 06, 2006 11:40 AM (JYeBJ)
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Sure the woman is shrill, but the fact is she has been stopped on a number of occasions by the police becasue they do not recognize her. It is without a doubt because she is a black woman. If I were a congressperson and got stopped and checked because I was a black woman and didn't look like the rest of the congress, I would get frustrated too. It is racism. It is obviously not some intentional form of racism practices by the cap police, but it is reflective of the pervasive reacism that still permeates all aspects of our culture.
But the way the right wing has villified this woman becasue she got frustrated is a bit disgusting.
Posted by: lazerlou at April 06, 2006 11:49 AM (pBKzg)
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Speaking of diseases, have you checked out your little friend Tom DeLay lately, and the stench that emanates from him everywhere he goes?
I'll take McKinney anyday, over any of the Republican douchebags that are poisoning our institutions. The Bush era will go down in history as the equivalent of a 100-year plague. Corruption, greed, theft, wars of choice, reckless fiscal policies, abysmal incompetence, lost cities (NOLA), religious fanaticism, etc...
It will take an entire generation to clean up the filth and the rot that the Republicans will have left behind them.
Posted by: Devil's Advocate at April 06, 2006 12:37 PM (a8LMH)
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CF is huffing and puffing about McKinney, but notice that he is deafeningly silent about Brian Doyle, the Republican pervert from DHS who was arrested on charges of pedophilia...
In CF's world, theft, corruption, greed, law-breaking, and pedophilia, are minor issues, unless they involve Democrats.
Just goes to show you the rightnutters' lack of morals and values. Just when you think they cannot sink any lower, they manage to surprise you.
Posted by: Devil's Advocate at April 06, 2006 12:46 PM (Kv9eJ)
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Not one word from Democrats?
House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD), 4/4/06:
[E]very one of us who visits the Capitol or any of the office buildings…have a responsibility to fully cooperate with every member of the Capitol Police…They are doing their jobs. We need to help them.
Accuracy: the hallmark of the right-wing punditocracy. Not that TownHall has ever been accused of accuracy as much as political spin from a neo-conservative perspective.
Posted by: Renne P at April 06, 2006 12:49 PM (Ffvoi)
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Lazerlou,
So I'm a guard at Congress and Im supposed to remeber the faces and names of over a 1000 people that go in and out of the building everday? Plus I am supposed to check and identify each and every person that comes in to the same building but let in someone I think might be a member of congress.
Yep thats a good idea lets just let everyone in and see how that one turns out.
THIS IS NOT RACISM, this man did his job and got assaulted for it. Sounds fair to me how about you?
Posted by: 81 at April 06, 2006 01:28 PM (PJ4Iq)
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Is doyle a republican? I've heard it said twice now but no facts. Was he elected to DOHS? Gee I thought those were some bureaucratic jobs. Got any facts to back up your assertion DA?
Of course - up thread the same question was asked, but no repsonse from the left. And if you read that post it properly suggested what should be done with Doyle, from whichever party he is.
No as far as McKinney goes - if this has happened before - her being stopped - don't you think she'd be smart enough to wear the stupid pin? To stop when commanded by police? To not strike an officer?
As far as the Dems go - remember that McKinney held a press conference and NOBODY FROM HER OWN PARTY SHOWED UP TO SUPPORT HER. Stop defending stupidity. Oh wait - I forgot - you are from the party of Howard "AIIIIYYYYTEEEEEEEEE" Dean. Maybe that explains it - that guy actually is in charge of the Dem Party. Gawwwwwd.
Posted by: Specter at April 06, 2006 04:57 PM (ybfXM)
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While they have a case of the vapors about a cantankerous woman invoved in an altercation with the Capitol Police, the rightnutters condone perversion and deviant behavior.
Republican "Moral Values":
Republican Sex Scandals
From dKosopedia
[edit]Republican Sex Scandals
(Full list of scandals at Moral Values)
Adelphia Communications Corp.: Donated large sums of money to some of the most conservative members of Congress. They are also the first cable company to offer hard-core adult movies to subscribers. Daily Kos article
Edison Misla Aldarondo, Republican legislator, was sentenced to 13 years in prison for molestation of his daughter and her friend for eight-year period starting when they were 9. Full Article
Randal David Ankeney, Republican activist, arrested on suspicion of sexual assault on a child with force. He faces 6 charges related to getting a 13-year-old girl stoned on pot and then having sex with her. Source Also accused of sexually assaulting another girl. Denver ABC Article
Dick Armey (R-Texas), former professor, has been accused by The Dallas Observer of sexually harassing female students.
Jim Bakker, televangelist with Pat Robertson at Robertson's Christian Broadcasting network. Committed adultery with Jessica Hahn [1] and then used charitable donations to pay her hush money[2]. Fellow televangelists say he's gay. [3][4]Indicted on 23 federal charges of fraud, tax evasion, and racketeering [5].
Bob Barr, Republican Congressman from Georgia. Sponsored the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act, saying "The flames of hedonism, the flames of narcissism, the flames of self-centered morality are licking at the very foundation of our society, the family unit." Was married three times. Paid for his second wife's abortion. Failed to pay child support to the children of his first two wives and while married to his third and present wife was photographed licking whipped cream off of strippers at his inaugural party.
Merrill Robert Barter, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. Booth Bay Register Article
Robert Bauman, Republican congressman and anti-gay activist, was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. Source: Washington Blade
Parker J. Bena, Republican activist and Bush Elector, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography (including children as young as 3 years old) on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000. Source
Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens. Editor and Publisher article
Howard L. Brooks, Republican legislative aide and advisor to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography. Sacramento Bee article
John Bolton Bush's appointee ambassador to United Nations, corroborated allegations that Mr. Bolton?s first wife, Christina Bolton, was forced to engage in group sex have not been refuted by the State Department. Raw Story Article
Mike Bowers Former State Attorney General, prosecuted the famous Bowers vs. Hardwick case, based on Georgia anti-sodomy laws. Admitted to a 10-year adulterous affair Slate article
Pat Buchanan predidential candidate, media talking-head. His campaign refused to confirm or deny whether Pat has had chlamydia or any other venereal diseases.
Andrew Buhr, Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. Source
Ted Bundy campaigned for the Republican Party. Infamous serial rapist who murdered 16 women. Source: BBC
Jim Bunn Congressman of Oregon: With his success due in great part to support from the Christian Coalition, Bunn won his congressional seat, then immediately ditched his wife (and mother of his five children), married a staffer, and put his new wife on the state payroll for the unheard-of salary of $97,500. Salon.com article
John Allen Burt, Republican anti-abortion activist, convicted of sexually molesting a 15 year old girl at the home for troubled girls that he ran. Source: Pensacola News Journal
Dan Burton, Republican Congressman who, while married, fathered a child by another woman. Salon.com Article
George W. Bush, Republican president, accused in a criminal complaint and lawsuit of raping Margie Schoedinger, who was later suicided. Accused by Tammy Phillips, a former stripper quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an affair with Bush that had ended in 1999.
John Butler, Republican activist, was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
Ken Calvert, Congressman (R-Ca), champion of the Christian Coalition and its "family values." Sued as an alimony deadbeat by his ex-wife. Said "We can't forgive what occurred between the President and Lewinsky." In 1993 he was caught by police receiving oral sex from a prostitute and attempted to flee the scene.
Charles Canady, Congressman (R-Florida), Judiciary Committee member. Lied to his constituents about his adulterous affair with Sharon Becker, which caused her divorce.
Helen Chenoweth, Congresswoman (R-Id.). Admitted to a six-year adulterous affair with a married associate. In 1995, Chenoweth had denied the affair when asked about it by The Spokane Spokesman-Review, but now she claims a pardon from a higher authority: "I've asked for God's forgiveness, and I've received it," she revealed.
Keola Childs, Republican County Councilman, pleaded guilty to sexual assault in the first degree for molesting a male child.Honolulu Star-Bulletin Article
Kevin Coan, Republican St. Louis Election Board official, arrested and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met on the Internet. Source: Newmax
Roy Cohn, continually condemned gays and gay rights. Was a closet gay who died of AIDS. Wikipedia Article
Dan Crane, Republican Congressman, married, father of six. Received a 100% "Morality Rating" from Christian Voice. Had sex with a minor working as a congressional page. Salon.com article On July 20, the House voted for censure Crane, the first time that censure had been imposed for sexual misconduct.[6]
Paul Crouch Televangelist, Former President of Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). Paid $425,000 in hush money in an attempt to cover up a gay affair. Christianity Today article
Richard A. Dasen Sr., Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, convicted of sexual abuse of children, promotion of prostitution and several counts of solicitation, enough to add up to a sentence of 126 years in prison. Investigators estimated that he spent up to $5,000,000 on prostitutes.
Missoulian Article on the trial | Missoulian Article on his conviction
Richard A. Delgaudio, Republican fundraiser and Bush pioneer, was found guilty of child porn charges. WBAL Channel article
Peter Dibble, Republican legislator pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. News Channel 8 Article
Nicholas Elizondo, Director of the Young Republican Federation molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison. Halfway down this Bakersfield Californian article
Larry Dale Floyd, Republican Constable in Denton County, Texas Precinct Two. Arrested for allegedly crossing state lines to have sex with an 8-year old child and was charged with 7 related offenses. Age 62 at time of arrest. Dallas News Article | Atrios Article
John Fund, of the Wall Street Journal, a prominent anti-abortion columnist and GOP fund raiser. He lost his position after it was revealed that he impregnated the daughter of an old girlfriend and then encouraged her to abort his child. American Politics Journal Article
Jeff Gannon Partisan blogger with no journalism credentials and a fake name who got invited to Bush's Press conferences. Is also a pimp and a gay prostitute. Truthout Article. See also dKospedia's page on Jeff Gannon.
Jack W. Gardner, Republican Councilman, had been convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl. when the Republican Party, knowing of these crimes, put him on the ballot. Article with documents
Richard Gardner, a Nevada State Representative (R), admitted to molesting his two daughters. Review Journal Article
Newt Gingrich, married three times. Gingrich campaign worker Anne Manning admitted that she gave Newt oral sex while he was still married to his first wife. Informed one wife he was filing for divorce while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer treatments. Salon article
Philip Giordano, Republican mayor sentenced to 37 years for forcing two 8 and 10 year old girls to perform oral sex on him in his City Hall office. NBC Article | Newsday Article
Rudy Giuliani, had an adulterous affair. Pocketed $80,000 for speaking at a charity benefit for tsunami aid which raised only $60,000 for the victims themselves (Feb 2005).
Matthew Glavin, president and CEO of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, big player in the Clinton Impeachment, and many anti-gay jihads, has been arrested multiple times for public indeceny, one time fondling the crotch of the officer who was arresting him. Full Article
Marty Glickman, Republican activist, was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a juvenile and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Mark A. Grethen, Republican activist, convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children. Orlando Weekly article
Jon Grunseth, Republican businessman and candidate for Minnesota governor, withdrew his candidacy after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter, and tried to grope one. "I've made some mistakes" he said. USA Today article
Dr. W. David Hager Bush appointee, member of Focus on the Family's Physician Resource Council, player in movement to ban the morning-after-pill. Had an adulterous affair, before divorcing his wife he sexually abused her, including sodomizing her in her sleep. Article
Mark Harris, Republican city councilman who is described as a "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
John Hathaway, Republican Senate candidate, was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media. Source: Casco Bay weekly
Howard Scott Heldreth, anti-abortion activist who gained fame during the Shiavo media-circus, was convicted of two charges of raping a child in 2002. page at Florida Department of Law Enforcement's Sexual Offender/Predator Unit
Mike Hintz, a First Assembly of God youth pastor, introduced by Bush on the campaign trail, and promoted his policies. Says he supports Bush's values. Two months later, this married father of four turned himself into police, charged with the sexual exploitation of a child. Article | Commentary
Also signed an ad (that called for criminally prosecuting business that sell porn), along with another pastor who was repeatedly busted for public masturbation.
Neal Horsley has called for the arrest of all homosexuals. Admitted on the Fox News Radio's The Alan Colmes Show, that he's had sex with mules. Put photographs on his Web site of naked men engaging in homosexual acts and a nude woman engaging in bestiality amid shots of grotesquely maimed fetuses. Drug dealer convicted of possession of hashish with intent to sell. He calls for "the establishment of a new government, one that can obey God's plan for government."
Tim Hutchinson, divorced his wife of 29 years to marry a congressional aide he was having an affair with.
Henry Hyde, Judge who oversaw Clinton's impeachment proceedings, prominent opponent of reproductive rights, who had an extramarital affair with a woman who was married and had three children, during the course of which she and her husband were divorced. Salon.com article
Don Haidl, Assistant Sheriff of Orange Country, in violation of California's rape shield law, led a smear campaign against the child his son poisoned and then violently gang-raped on videotape, adding up to 24 felony counts. He said that his son "acted accordingly" because the child was a "slut". The full gruesome story, with many newspaper articles.
Paul Ingram, Republican Party leader of Thurston County, Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison. Source: The Olympian
Bernard Kerik, had two simultaneous adulterous affairs.
Earl Kimmerling, sentenced to 40 years in prison after he confessed to molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her. Source
Lawrence E. King, Jr., Republican Activist, organized orgies with child prostitutes at the White House during the 1980s. Full page including Washington Times article Discovery Channel documentary
I. Lewis Libby, former Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. In 1996 published a novel containing bizaree sexual content, including beastiality and pedophillia. Full Details
Rush Limbaugh, triple-divorcee[7], 30-pill a day drug addict. Goodies from The Smoking Gun.com
Bob Livingston, former Congressman (R-La.) resigned from the House in the wake of revelations about his past adultery.
Donald Lukens, Republican Congressman, was found guilty of having sex with a minor - a girl he was accused of sleeping with since she was 13. Time Article
Pat McPherson, Douglas County Election Commissioner. Arrested for fondling a 17-year-old girl. Article
Jon Matthews, Republican talk show host in Houston, was indicted for indecency with a child, including exposing his genitals to a girl under the age of 17. Source: ABC News
Jeff Miller, (R-Cleveland), Senate Republican Caucus Chairman in Tennessee and the sponsor of Tennessee?s Marriage Protection act, getting divorced (as of April 2005) because of an affair he was having with an office aid. Miller described the Tennessee Marriage Protection Act as a means of preserving the sanctity of marriage. He opposed an amendment, however, which stated that ?Adultery is deemed to be a threat to the institution of marriage and contrary to public policy in Tennessee.? [8] [9]
Nicholas Morency, Republican anti-abortion activist, pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor The Dallas Morning News article.
Sue Myrick, Congresswoman (R-NC), describes herself as a "devout Christian." Committed adultery with a married man.
Bill O'Reilly Right-wing conservative talk show host on Fox News, sued for sexual harrassment by his producer.
Bob Packwood, Senator (R-Ore.), resigned in 1995 under a threat of public senate hearings related to 10 female ex-staffers accusing him of sexual harassment.
Jeffrey Patti, Republican Committee Chairman, was arrested for distributing what experts call "some of the most offensive material in the child pornography world" - a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. Daily Record News Article
John Paulk, lied about prowling for gay sex while running a fundamentalist group to cure gays.
Brent Parker Utah State Representetive. Arrested for soliciting sex from an undercover officer posing as a male prostitute. KSL News Article |Deseret News Article
John Peterson, Congressman (R-Pa), accused of sexual harassment and creation of a hostile work environment by six women. Peterson has refused to admit a crime, saying only "I may have been an excessive hugger."
Harvey Pitt, SEC Chief under George W. Bush until he was forced to resign in 2002. Worked for New Frontier Media, a firm which distributed teen sex videos.
Mark Pazuhanich, Republican judge, pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. Pocono Record article
George Roche III, carried on a 19 year affair with his son's wife, while serving as president of Hillsdale College, which "emphasizes the importance of the common moral truths that bind all Americans, while recognizing the importance of religion for the maintenance of a free society."
Beverly Russell, County Chairman of the Christian Coalition, sexually molested his step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her two children. Herald-Journal Article |Commentary on Newsweek Article
Jack Ryan, 2004 Republican nominee for US Senate from Illinois, pressured his wive, actress Jeri Ryan, to have sex with other men. Tricked her into visiting sex clubs, where he asked her to have sex with him while others watched.[10]
Joe Scarborough, former Republican Congressman, currently a conservative talk show host. Resigned his congressional seat abruptly to spend more time with his family, amidst allegations of an affair. His intern, Lori Klausutis, was soon after found dead in his office. The medical examiner, who had his license revoked in Missouri for falsifying information in an autopsy report, and suspended in florida for six years, ruled the case an accident, after giving conflicting information about her injuries. He said he lied about them because "The last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury."
Ed Schrock, two-term republican congressman, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated.
Dr. Laura Schlessinger, right wing conservative radio host. Promotes family values, estranged from her mother, opposes birth control, has had her tubes tied, espouses saving oneself for marriage, admits to having had sex before she was married, opposes adultery, has committed adultery while she was married, and has slept with a married man, opposes divorce, is divorced and remarried, has posed for nude photos which are available online.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republican governor, had sex with a 16 year old when he was 28.
John Scmitz, right-wing republican congressman, who had had his committee chairship taken away from him in the California State Senate after issuing a press release attacking Jews, feminists and gays. Forced out of office in 1982 for having an adulterous affair and fathering two children out of wedlock with one of his students. He was caught because his baby was admitted to hospital for having hair tied so tightly around his penis that it was almost severed. His daughter, Mary Kay LeTourneau, was convicted of having an adulterous affair with one of her students, and giving birth to two of his children. Wikipedia article
Larry Jack Schwarz, Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, fired after child pornography was found in his possession. Rocky Mountain News article With his political career over, he went to work in the hard-core pornography industry for Platinum X Pictures, owned by his daughter, porn starlet Jewel De'Nyle (Stephany Schwarz). Wikipedia article
Jim Stelling, Seminole County Republican Party chairman who believes in "family values", as he told a judge. Filed a defamation lawsuit againt Nancy Goettman, a former county GOP executive committee member, for falsely claiming he had been married six times. Stelling has been married 5 times. Article
Don Sherwood, Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives. Eventually admitted to an affar with a woman 30 years younger than him, after she accused him of physical abuse and attempting to choke her. Post-Gazette article
Tom Shortridge. Republican campaign consultant, was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. LA Times article
Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr., Republican City Councilman, pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison. Sex Offender Registry page | Article
Craig J. Spence, Republican lobbyist, organized orgies with child prostitutes in the White House during the 1980s. Full page including Washington Times article Discovery Channel documentary
Jimmy Swaggart, televangelist, said during a sermon "I'm trying to find the correct name for it ? this utter absolute, asinine, idiotic stupidity of men marrying men. ? I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I'm gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died." Had an affair with a prostitute.
David Swartz, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. Rocky Mountain News Article
Randall Terry, Right to Life activist, founder of Operation Rescue, involved in the Terri Schiavo protests. Once imprisoned for sending former President Bill Clinton an aborted fetus. His son Jamiel is gay; his daughter Tila had sex outside of marriage, became pregnant, had a miscarriage - she is no longer welcome in his home; his daughter Ebony had 2 children outside of wedlock and became Muslim. He has campaigned against infidelity and birth control, gays and unwed mothers. Terry himself was censured by his church after committing adultery.
Bill Thomas Republican congressman, had an affair with Deborah Steelman, a health care lobbyist who steered huge campaign gifts to Thomas' war chest.
Strom Thurmond, republican senator and racist, raped and impregnanted a 15-year old African American maid. (BBC Article)
Robin Vanderwall, Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate, director of Faith & Family Alliance, (a Christian Coalition spin off), former student of Pat Robertson's Regent Universtity, member of Ralph Reed's inner circle who funneled money to from lobbiest Jack Abromoff to Reed [11], convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet. Virginian-Pilot Article
J.C. Watts, Representative (R-Oklahoma), loud champion of "moral values." Has out-of-wedlock children.
Jim Wesr, Spokane Mayor. Supported a bill, which failed, would have barred gays and lesbians from working in schools, day-care centers and some state agencies. Voted to bar the state from distributing pamphlets telling people how to protect themselves from AIDS. Proposed that ?any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person? among teens be criminalized. Had a sexual affair with an 18 year old boy.Source: Spokesman review
Keith Westmoreland, a Tennessee state representative (R), was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children). Tennesean Article
Stephen White, Republican preacher. Was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him. Daily Pennsylvanian article | Daily yale News Article
Posted by: Devil's Advocate at April 06, 2006 06:47 PM (ImpfT)
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But Republicans still brought honesty, dignity and decency back to the Whitehouse after our long national nightmare of prosperity, running surpluses and having a stable foreign policy ended with the Clinton administration. thank goodness for the moral fiber of Republicans.
I think this language is ambiguous, don't you?
Thank goodness GWB has to courage to protect us from the terrorists:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Posted by: lazerlou at April 06, 2006 07:29 PM (pBKzg)
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Devil's advocate, wow, what a rant! By the way, what do you think of President Lincoln?
Posted by: Tom TB at April 07, 2006 05:39 AM (Ffvoi)
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OK...DA...now do a study on Democrats. I bet you can find just as many. Let's start with Ted "Splash" Kennedy. LOL
lazer,
I suspect that Republicans brought more honesty, dignity, and decency to the WH than the previous admin - you know BJ Clinton and cigars in the Oval Office. Then lying about it. Some honesty, dignity and decency there.
Posted by: Specter at April 07, 2006 10:07 AM (ybfXM)
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Good argument there - "but what about the Clenis!" or "what about splashman Kennedy".
You DO realize that as time passes fewer and fewer people get such Ted Kennedy references. Kinda like Hanoi Jane references. For most people, Ted's just a bloated weeble wobble while Jane plays a grandmother in movies. Its time that these "winning" arguments were put away for good.
And sure, you could probably make a pretty good list of Democrat sex felons too.
So what.
I personally think that ALL polticians are corrupt, whatever their party. To think otherwise is to be naive.
Anyways, the point of listing all those Republican sex felons, it seems to me, is to point this out. As well as to highlight the hypocrisy that those who scream the loudest about moral values are often, in fact, sexual deviants themselves.
To automatically and reflexively think in terms of democrats = bad, republicans = good is childish.
They all suck.
Some a little less than others.
Posted by: shingles at April 07, 2006 11:02 AM (C7Sin)
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The point is that all you republican holier-than-thou thugs are a bunch of hypocrites when it comes to lecturing the rest of the country on how to conduct its sexual business.
Republicans are disturbingly concerned about what goes on in other people's pants. Democrats make no bones about the fact that we like getting in other people's pants.
What Ted Kennedy did or didn't do has no bearing on the fact that Bob Barr likes lecturing the rest of the world on abortion while paying for one.
Posted by: Upper Haight at April 07, 2006 11:51 AM (n1Nn2)
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Teddy says it's not ok to drink and drive, or to kill someone without letting the authorities know. How's that different?
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Let's see Upper:
Weren't you just lecturing us on how we are supposed to behave? Sounds like hypocrisy to me.....
Posted by: Specter at April 07, 2006 12:25 PM (ybfXM)
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shingles,
About getting rid of all the pols and starting over may not be a bad idea...
Posted by: Specter at April 07, 2006 12:26 PM (ybfXM)
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Navy
So if Teddy is a hypocrite it's OK for John Fund, Newtie and Bob Barr to be hypocrites too?
This don't make no sense, my friend.
I don't see how you can support lecturing other people on their lack of morality while being personally immoral.
Since I personally am pro-choice, pro gay marriage and pro marijuana legalization and all the other things you Republicans think are going to bring about the end of man, I don't give a crap if John Fund knocked up his friend's daughter (it is somewhat creepy) or if Bob Barr was married 3 times. That's his business.
what's really obnoxious is big butt henry hyde taking Clinton down for getting a hummer from a fat chick while he himself was guilty of, ahem, youthful indiscretions (when he was friggin 40 years old).
That's just screwy, man.
Posted by: Upper Haight at April 07, 2006 12:28 PM (n1Nn2)
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Screwy, Upper Haight, is trumpeting the moral superiority of those without morals or with very low morals over those that set their's high enough to be a challenge.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 07, 2006 12:31 PM (g5Nba)
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You misunderstand, Specter. Or I wasn't clear in my writing. If it is the latter, let me try again.
I am not lecturing you on what to do with your sex life. That is entirely your business.
What gets my goat is people like Newt yelling about the moral decline...
An uptight stickwad like Jerry Falwell talking about moral decline is one thing (since he probably doesn't sleep around and could in all likelihood be asexual) but John Fund lecturing other people on promiscuity is laughable.
Posted by: Upper Haight at April 07, 2006 12:32 PM (n1Nn2)
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Oy vey! Let me try one more time...and then I'm leaving.
I don't care what you do in your bedroom. And I make absolutely no pretensions towards moral superiorty.
Like most Democrats, I don't walk around worrying about whether I am more morally superior than you, or whether my moral values are better than yours, or what good moral values should be in the first place.
The only point I am trying to make (obviously very badly) is that people with the values republicans claim as being the standard of morality (no abortion, no gay marriage, no promiscuity, no gay sex) are being disregarded blatantly by some of your people. Those same people also happen to be shrilly lecturing the rest of the world on how to behave.
That is totally messed up.
Posted by: Upper Haight at April 07, 2006 12:37 PM (n1Nn2)
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Again, Upper Haight, you enjoy calling out the obvious hypocrisies of those that have chosen a much more difficult standard to live by, secure in the knowledge that with the lower standards you hold, you cannot be as easily challenged.
Your argument is that if you never reach for anything higher, then you don't have as far to fall.
Brave.
Not.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 07, 2006 12:48 PM (g5Nba)
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Now that's just stupid, not to mention pedantic and self aggrandizing.
Just becuase I don't care how many times you beat off a day doesn't mean my moral standards are lower, ya freak.
Let me type slow and see if this goes into your pea-brained skull.
If Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King or Mother Theresa lectured me on morality, I'd listen happily. John Fund or Newt Gingrich talking about the moral decline in this fine land is laughable. They have as much of a right to talk about promiscuity as Bill Clinton.
Fortunately, Clinton doesn't wander around telling people to keep their weiners in their pants. John Fund does. There in lies the difference.
Crikey. Why is this so hard for you to figure out?
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And what is this difficult standard Bob Barr and Newt Gingrich have set? Cheat on your wife and lecture other people not to cheat on their?
How's can you defend this?
Posted by: Upper Haight at April 07, 2006 01:06 PM (n1Nn2)
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Brian Doyle, Homeland Security pedophile: Symptom of the disease. Gee that's easy.
Posted by: Randy at April 07, 2006 01:45 PM (bc3Ko)
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Devil's Advocate, that's quite a list. Strange how these deviant-enablers can dismiss it as a rant. It's just a list of joyless Republican hypocites. They've got nothing. Out of gas. These people disgust anyone with a sense of decency, which is apparently about 65% of the population.
Shingles, I like what you say, but I doubt that the list of sex-felons among Democrats would be nearly as long as the one DA has presented. One of the big contributing factors to deviant sexual behavior is sexual repression. No way Democrats are as repressed as these pathetic Republicans.
Posted by: Randy at April 07, 2006 02:00 PM (bc3Ko)
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If Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King or Mother Theresa lectured me on morality, I'd listen happily.
I'm certain you would.
A great man, Dr. King, but he was an exposed plagiarist, some of his later speeches were becoming increasingly socialist (not communist as some have wrongly said), and rumored of infidelity have dogged him long after his death. He was not a saint.
Mother Teresa was sainted, but was also an apparent liar, was disrespectful of other religions, and was possibly an embezzler, etc (You can read the Wikipedia entry as well as I). Mahatma was only human as well.
You try to act as if you are morally superior for not having the common morality of our shared national culture, and I frankly find it hilarious that you think that this is a Democrat versus Republican issue.
You stand for… nothing. It’s hard to knock down, but it isn’t much to stand on either.
No way Democrats are as repressed as these pathetic Republicans.
Of course, that's why America jails are overflowing with self-identified Democrats... becuase we're oppressing them... right?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 07, 2006 03:36 PM (g5Nba)
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This is the most disjointed argument ever...funny. Have a nice weekend, Yank.
Posted by: Upper Haight at April 07, 2006 03:49 PM (R11xC)
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What, you got nothing bad to say about Gandhi? Come on, dig deeper, you creep. I'm sure he was had extramarital sex, or was into deviant porn, or illegally wiretapped the british, or didn't pay his taxes on time.
Mother Theresa was an embezzler! That's rich! WHo did she embezzle? The lepers in Calcutta? Maybe that's why Calcutta is so poor. Momma Theresa took all their money.
What a pathetic retard.
Posted by: notnowjohn at April 07, 2006 04:47 PM (tvSua)
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Good, keep paying attention to this ... real important stuff.
BTW, how's that Iraq war thing going?
(Yeah, I know 'Just great. Leberal media focus on only the bad news'.)
Posted by: Ed at April 07, 2006 05:48 PM (lh3c2)
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Ed,
Care to point to an MSM article that had good news about Irzq in it? Just one? Betcha can't...
Randy,
That was just about the stupidest post I ever read. BTW - does anybody know what party Doyle was from yet. I'm gonna laugh my butt off it he's a Demoncrat.
BTW - You all forgot JFK and RK when you want to talk about indiscretions. Actually though - JFK was the last great Democratic President. Did you know that the platform he ran on was to lower taxes to boost the economy? Imagine that - the complete opposite of today's Democrats. And he won....wow. And tough on national security? Bay of Pigs aside, we almost went to war because he was a strong president - commendable. Since then what - Jimmy Carter? LOL. BJ Clinton - "I know how to bomb aspirin factories." John Kerry - "I lied about my military service." LOL
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Time to Leave
Senate Republicans released a new immigration proposal Wednesday night that amounts to little more than a graduated amnesty program, rewarding the most those who have broken federal immigration laws the longest. According to MSNBC:
Republican officials said the GOP plan would divide illegal immigrants into three categories:- Those who had been in the country the longest, more than five years, would not be required to return to their home country before gaining legal status. They would be subject to several tests, including the payment of fines and back taxes, and be required to submit to a background check, according to these officials.
- Illegal immigrants in the United States less than five years but more than two would be required to go to a border point of entry, briefly leave and then be readmitted to the United States. As with the longer-term illegal immigrants, other steps would be required for re-entry, after which they could begin seeking citizenship, these officials said.
- Illegal immigrants in the United States less than two years would be required to leave the country and join any other foreign residents seeking legal entry.
The officials who described the proposal did so on condition of anonymity, saying the had not been authorized to pre-empt senators.
These weak-willed Senate Republicans are sending the message that the longer an illegal alien has broken the law, the more that crime is acceptable. That is not the message we should be sending to those so openly contemptuous of our nation's laws. The message we should be sending?
It's time to leave.
Kill the market for illegal jobs by building a controlled legal market though a strong guest worker program. Make it too risky for companies to hire illegals by imposing stiff fines on employers using illegal immigrant labor. It will not result in mass government-run deportations, but a gradual, economics-run repatriation of illegals when they can no longer find work in this country.
It's time to leave.
Now.
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I agree. The solution is to make it more expense to hire illegal aliens than it is to hire Americans. I suggest serious fines and jail time for executives who hire illegal aliens.
Posted by: tracelan at April 06, 2006 01:12 AM (ZlXVq)
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It is time to clean house; the House of Representatives and the Senate. I find it abominable that our elected representatives are no longer representing us (their constituency). Instead they have chosen to ignore the people in favor of legislating contrary to the people’s obvious desires. The majority of Americans (real citizens that is) are very unhappy with this illegal invasion of the homeland and want it stopped. Most people want measures taken to ensure the illegal activity is not rewarded by some kind of amnesty to citizenship program. If our elected officials refuse to take up the will of the people, it is up to the people to replace the failing representative.
The only way to make our representatives aware they have strayed is to write to them. If they fail to respond, replace them in the primaries. There are too many unintended consequences associated with allowing 11 million invaders to remain in our country. Cheap labor does not outweigh national security and the security of our economic system. Thanks to our bleeding heart liberal brethren, the social welfare programs are overtaxed not by our indigenous people but by the invaders. As a taxpayer I resent my hard earned money being frivolously consumed to aid law breakers.
The following is the text of letters I sent to my three federal representatives. I advise everyone to do the same.
I am writing to convey my extreme displeasure with the lack of appropriate action by the Senate Chamber of the Congress in responding to the illegal alien dilemma we as a nation face today. Must I remind you that the Constitution of the United States, Article I, Section 8, states, “The Congress shall have Power To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;…” I do not know what you would call eleven million illegal aliens stemming from one country, but to me that constitutes an invasion.
I can clearly understand the desire of any person to provide for their family by making a livable wage. Based upon that desire, I can understand a person wanting to be inside our borders. However, there is a lawful way to immigrate. The unlawful breaching of our border to establish residence in our country cannot and must not be tolerated.
Considering the threat to this nation, immediate measures must be taken to secure our borders and control who is allowed access to our homeland. Toward that end, amnesty or some watered-down guest worker program is wholly unacceptable. Our security is invaluable; therefore, illegal aliens must be removed, deported from our country. The monetary cost may be high, but what value do you place on your children and grandchildren? The value of my grandchildren is immeasurably greater than your salary.
I served our great nation by wearing the uniform of our U.S. Army for thirty-one-plus years; serving in Vietnam, Central America and operations Desert Shield/Desert Storm. I was fully prepared to defend this country with my life. Now, as my representative, I expect you to act in a manner indicative of your office with a mind to protect the lawful citizens of this great country. Do what is right, not what is easy.
Posted by: Old Soldier at April 06, 2006 05:44 AM (X2tAw)
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I hope the Republican Party enjoys the permanent minority party status that comes along with the Hispanic vote, thanks to this proposal. I will not be voting this year.
Posted by: Jordan at April 06, 2006 01:43 PM (pLJN7)
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Give up on Republicans and Democrats. Our only hope is a 3rd party. How about the constitution party?
Posted by: maxnnr at April 06, 2006 03:03 PM (KxByJ)
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April 05, 2006
Insurgent Helicopter Hoax?
Drudge is running a link to this AP story, which claims the pilots of an American AH-64 Longbow attack helicopter were shot down, and their burning bodies pulled from the wreckage.
My PC's video isn't working right now, but the video is downloadable at the
SITE Institute, where they have two still photos captured from the video that make me immediately suspicious. The timestamp on the video states that the date of the film is March 19, 2000. In addition, the still photo on the right seems to show an airborne helicopter with what appears to be (in the one grainy still photo can I see) skids on the undercarriage.
Current-issue UH-60 Blackhawks that are the predominate utility and MEDEVAC helicopter of the U.S. Army have wheels.
I'll update this after I have had a chance to look at the video later today, but I suspect this may not be authentic footage.
Update: The SITE video is
not the same film of the crash as reported in the AP story.
Bareknucklepolitics.com has the correct video. It is of very low quality, but despite that, it is not being disputed by the U.S. military. Without anything else to go on, I'll assume that the downing of the helicopter is real.
Second Update: It now appears that the U.S. military is
doubting the authenticity of the video footage, even while a stateside defense contractor says the tape looks authentic. The most reasonable conclusion to draw from this discrepancy is that the Army is aware of forensic evidence from the recent crash that does not match up with the footage shown in the video. The contractor would not necessarily have access to this information.
Variables such as the condition of the downed helicopter, the terrain of the crash site, and even the condition of the human remains collected may very well provide the military with evidence suggesting that the footage was either staged, or was footage from a previous crash.
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I saw the footage on Australian SBS earlier tonight and it was presented as real. It would on SBS which is generally anti American. (Its multicultural, you see.) I'll be watching how you go on this. I expect we get a lot of staged fottage from those stringers. Manybe its real, maybe it isn't like you say. What I can tell you for sure is that it is not fake but ture. Good for you for jumping on it with a skeptical eye.
Posted by: lgude at April 06, 2006 11:20 AM (GR/oD)
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Down and Out in Chapel Hill
It seems like some folks, such as UNC-Chapel Hill law professor Eric Muller, have too much time on their hands:
Some have maintained for a while now that a person other than Michelle Malkin is writing and posting some of the material that gets posted with her byline on her blog. She has denied it.
To my eyes, the jury has always been out on that question.
But let's look closely at the last 36 hours at michellemalkin.com.
At 7:16 a.m., she posted that she was "back from vacation."
Sizeable posts followed at 8:00 a.m., 8:46 a.m., 9:31 a.m., 10:16 a.m., 10:52 a.m. (a short one), 11:25 a.m., 11:37 a.m., 12:37 p.m., 2:09 p.m. (subsequently updated), 4:06 p.m., 7:45 p.m., 8:01 p.m., 8:19 p.m., 10:36 p.m. (subsequently updated), 5:49 a.m., 6:05 a.m., 8:00 a.m., 8:25 a.m. (subsequently updated), and then 12:31 p.m.
In that last message, Malkin explains that she is in Minneapolis, where she'll be giving a speech at 12:00 noon. Controlling for the one-hour time difference between the East Coast and Minnesota, I infer that she posted this update a startling 29 minutes before her noontime speech.
One wonders: when did she drive (or get driven) to the airport, fly at least three hours (if non-stop) to Minnesota, and then drive (or get driven) to her Minneapolis destination? And is there a red-eye from the DC area to Minneapolis?
The jury may not be in, but they're knocking on the door.
The knocking at the door, Professor Muller, may be the men in white coats asking for
you.
Muller is just one liberal with the apparent obsession of "getting" conservative blogger/journalist
Michelle Malkin, who
they claim must have a ghostwriter because of her prodigious output as a journalist and blogger.
What evidence does the law professor bring to bear?
His "evidence" is not that there are tell-tale differences in grammar, syntax, or tone in some of her posts (traditional, recognized "tells"), but simple fact that Malkin was able to put up 20 blog entries in 36 hours. That is impressive output if you are looking at the raw number of posts, but the raw number itself means nothing without considering the style and length of the blog posts in question.
If long-form bloggers such as
Richard Fernandez or
Ed Morrissey were posting 20 entries in 36 hours, people would have a right to be suspicious. Long form blog entries from these and similar writers are intricate, and they take substantial time to compose, because they require substantial independent research, analysis, synthesis, and of course, composition.
But Michelle Malkin is not in general, and definitely not in the examples provided, a long-form blogger.
Malkin writes in other forums for her primary income, and as a blogger, she typically aggregates news stories and blog entries that are often sent to her electronically either via email, RSS feeds, news media web sites, and presumably other sources.
The telling question in the equation is this:
how much original written composition occurs in these 20 posts cited, and how much is aggregation?
If you strip out the images and quoted text in the 20 posts selected by Eric Muller, Michelle Malkin wrote a grand total of 938 words over 3 days, or just shy of 47 words a post (46.9, Eric, since you seem to obsess so much about the fine details). As the vast majority of those 47 words are straightforward descriptive writing that comes as easily as speech for journalists, this level of output is well within her capabilities, even while traveling.
20 brief short-form blog posts over three days is hardly difficult for a full-time professional writer. For that matter, it is not even all that difficult for
part-time bloggers.
Liberal
Duncan Black released a total of 57 short (often very short) posts over the past three days while holding down a Senior Fellowship with
Media Matters.
Glenn Reynolds (a law professor
without too much time on his hands) managed to teach class, pay his
final respects to a much beloved grandmother, and release 60 mostly short posts and 18 updates in the same amount of time. Perhaps he should investigate both of them as well?
For someone teaching law, Eric Muller presents a laughably weak case. Perhaps his obsession has cut too much into his sleep.
For his student's sake, I hope he gets the help he needs.
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But of course she must have someone else there posting under her name. After all, she's a conservative female of Filipino descent. So its obvious she lacks the talent and intelligence to make so many posts.
Now, if she were a liberal female of Filipino descent, why then, any such accusation would be a bigoted, racist, sexist attack. But remember, she's conservative, and we all know because of that is that the only job she's REALLY qualified for... is the oldest profession in the world. Am I right, huh, am I right?
...
Yeah, that actually encompasses the entirety of the arguments on the left against Michelle Malkin. Every once in a while she'll open up her emails and show us all the vile nasty attcks she gets every single damn day. Just what is it about female or minority conservatives (or God forbid, both) that get's the left's panties in such a twist?
Later,
Posted by: Cicero at April 05, 2006 08:42 AM (S35wq)
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Isn't Ric Muller one of the guys that took Michelle to task on her book on the japanese internment? If so, that explains alt about his "cyber-stalking" of her.
Posted by: Ron Olliff at April 05, 2006 01:03 PM (PkaYv)
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After reading this post and Michelle's, I took it on myself to examine another blog (although it is one that is one that is much less visited, less prolific, and not as well written). I posted my "findings" here.
;-)
Posted by: bRight & Early at April 05, 2006 01:38 PM (Ffvoi)
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The other thing that the law professor doesn't know is the Internet and regular ol' journalism. Most journalists work on a several stories at once, so it CAN appear that a person is a prodigious writer if you happen to read on a day in which all the articles are printed. Technology makes it even more fun: Ms. Malkin could save a few dozen blog ideas to her laptop and then download them successively, making it appear that she'd been typing until her fingers broke the sound barrier. Plus, if her host is on a different timezone than she is - as my blog host is - then sometimes it posts as EST and sometimes as Chicago time, depending on where I'm blogging.
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The "Deadliest Day"
DEAR NEW YORK TIMES: When the largest single fatality-causing event for your (well, our) soldiers in recent months is a single vehicle wreck, isn't it officially time to retire the theme that we're losing the war?
Note: spelling error corrected. (h/t danking70)
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An easy way to expose anti-Americanism in a debate. Stun leftists with this..
Posted by: Tester at April 04, 2006 01:26 PM (IJedl)
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Let me also add :
An article on which countries are anti-American, and which are pro-American. The results may surprise you.
The past and future of warfare, with trends and some future predictions.
Posted by: Tester at April 04, 2006 01:32 PM (IJedl)
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So if America is winning than
Why are there more terrorist attacks in Iraq than less?
Why can the insurgents strike at will in all parts of the country?
Why have more civilians been killed than ever before?
Why are the civilians arming themselves and forming militias?
Why are reconstruction projects running out of funds and running behind schedule?
Why isn’t the electric shortage eased?
Why does Iraq have to import oil?
Why is Bush requesting even more money for Iraq?
Why hasn’t the Iraqi army stepped up and American soldiers sent home?
Why do they have to shut the whole country down to have an election?
Why has the collation casualty rate stayed at a steady 2.3 killed a day for the last three years?
Why has the Collation of the Willing gotten smaller rather than larger?
Why has the Coalition been flying supplies around the country rather than on the ground?
Why did you quantify your comment with “recent months”? Do you think that your comment stands if you say years?
Posted by: salvage at April 04, 2006 01:41 PM (xWitf)
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Or Mr. salvage, I'll condense your query in to one line-
"Why isn't everything perfect yet?"
Posted by: Tman at April 04, 2006 01:43 PM (Gt906)
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The biggest world event of the last 15 years is the stunning defeat of socialism across the globe.
Posted by: Tester at April 04, 2006 01:49 PM (IJedl)
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Gosh, clearly Salvage (above) is right. His comment reminds me of the stupid American air campaign to relieve Berlin back in Truman administration. How about that stupid and wasteful Korean War? Anybody remember that stupid and ineffectual American effort to relieve Italy of facism? All big losers and costly blunders.
We prevented Nicaragua from enjoying the benefits of communism for very long and what about our stupid and costly aid to the Falkland Islands via help to the stupid Thatcherite British? We finaly left the Vietnamese in peace after that stupid slaughter so that they too can enjoy the liberty of their chosen government. Don't get me started on that stupid occupation of Japan.
No, Salvage questions are both brilliant and commonsensical. Bright boy that Salvage.
Posted by: Larry at April 04, 2006 01:52 PM (1cArc)
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So if America is losing then
Why is Saddam on trial?
Why can't the insurgents hold a single city?
Why can't the insurgents win a single platoon level battle?
Why are accidents, unrelated to enemy action, a significant source of casualties?
Why are the ISF's numbers and capability increasing every day?
Why were there successful election on Jan 30 2005?
Why was a constitution ratified in October 2005?
Why were there more successful election in Dec 2005?
Why is electrical capacity above prewar levels?
Why is electrical demand far above prewar levels?
Why is off-grid generator capacity far above prewar levels?
Why is water availability above prewar levels?
Why is sanitation better than prewar?
Why are there 34 television station, 145 newspapers, and 73 radio stations where before there were none?
Please, let us know.
Posted by: TallDave at April 04, 2006 01:58 PM (Pt9mY)
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From the article:
"In another part of Anbar on Sunday, a flash flood toppled a seven-ton truck, killing five marines riding inside it and wounding one"
You don't get "wounded" in a motor vehicle accident, you get "injured."
You get "wounded" when you are in combat.
Unbelievable.
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Posted by: RJGatorEsq. at April 04, 2006 02:00 PM (GoQ8g)
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Shouldn't your title be "deadliest" instead of "dealiest"?
Posted by: danking70 at April 04, 2006 02:01 PM (nlK/E)
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Gator,
No, that's just how bad the situation in Iraq is: even the trucks are out enemies now. And the water!
Posted by: TallDave at April 04, 2006 02:02 PM (Pt9mY)
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"Why isn't everything perfect yet?"
No, I'm asking very specific questions in regards to Iraq being "won" or America “winning”. CY over there is saying that because U.S. casualties were down about 50% of average that must mean America is winning. I counter that is silly bullocks as there is far more metrics in Iraq than U.S. soldiers being killed and wounded.
My theory is that folk like you long for the “Mission Accomplished” of three years ago and will ignore any reality that interferes with that fantasy.
America is not winning anymore than she’s losing Iraq. There is no army on the planet than can defeat America, I know this, the terrorists know this, hell dogs know this. So what the terrorists in Iraq have to do is make the occupation as costly for America as possible both financially and politically. And that’s easy, just create enough chaos and despair to make the occupation impossible to maintain. Than the Americans pull out and the various factions have a full on civil war and a new Saddam or Ayatollah is the boss.
So when someone says America is winning because their casualties are down it’s obvious that they don’t appreciate the full scope of the situation, the goals of the terrorists or the metrics at play. The American public is losing their taste for Iraq (and yes you can blame the MSM for that but only because they’re reporting what is actually going on which is, y’know, their job?) and the cost continues to rise.
For America to truly win the occupation there needs to be:
No more daily multiple bombings.
No more militias.
Oil needs to flow.
Electricity needs to be 24hrs.
The Iraqi police and army must have a monopoly on violence.
The central government can’t be stumped at every political roadblock (how long ago was the last election and how much actual governing have they done?)
And so on.
Looking at one facet of the situation and saying “we’re winning!” while ignoring all the signs that you’re losing is obtuse, delusional and unhelpful.
Posted by: salvage at April 04, 2006 02:04 PM (xWitf)
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A handful of basic answers to that long list of stupid 'questions':
Why are there more terrorist attacks in Iraq than less? A: First of all, the opposite is true. But regardless, there *were* terrorist attacks because our presence there attracted hundreds of Al Qaeda and Al Qaeda allies to Iraq who, while doing a great deal of damage, have also been killed and destroyed wherever they have poked up. Better fight them there than here.
Why can the insurgents strike at will in all parts of the country? A: the "insurgents" increasingly are a few remaining Sunni former totalitarian remnants, increasingly distinct from Al Qaeda (more and more the terrorists of Al Qaeda and the old time socialist totalitarian terrorists of the Baath party are at odds). The extent to which former Baathists can strike 'anywhere' is highly in doubt. When was the last Sunni terrorist attack in the Kurd region? Mostly they kill Shia. And to the extent there is a low-level shooting war between Shia and Sunni, well, that is a centuries old fight that was only kept out of public view by the butchery and dictatorship of Saddam. That too will pass eventually. Sometimes a civil war is necessary to settle old scores.
Why have more civilians been killed than ever before? A: See above. Old Sunni/Shia fight. Brit leftovers from post-WWI. Sad that we got saddled with it, but shit happens. If they want to pull together a real country out of this, it's in their hands. Or they can be three seperate countries. Whatever. Regardless. *none of them will be Al Qaeda countries* and that's the point.
Why are the civilians arming themselves and forming militias? A: I don't know if they are (you provide no cites). But if they are smart they are in fact arming themselves. Armed societies are polite societies.
Why are reconstruction projects running out of funds and running behind schedule? A: Again, I need a cite to determine if this is something backed by data or just your Air America rantings. Regardless, if they are running behind schedule, well, that's sad, but ultimately, NBFD.
Why isn’t the electric shortage eased? See above.
Why does Iraq have to import oil? There will be no oil biz until the last remnants of the Sunni Baathist dictatorship are hunted down and pacified or dismembered. This takes time. Don't worry, the oil is not going anywhere, it'll still be there when the Sunni issue is settled.
Why is Bush requesting even more money for Iraq? A: Because Bush loves to spend Americans' money. That's why he's in trouble and so is his party.
Why hasn’t the Iraqi army stepped up and American soldiers sent home? A: The Iraqi army has led most of the recent operations. The Americans at this point are mostly training, watching and supporting. Going home now would be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory (as you so fervently hope).
Why do they have to shut the whole country down to have an election? A: In order to get some of the highest voter turnout rates in the world. Far higher than in the US or Europe. I didnt' realize that going from totalitarian dictatorship to flourishing democracy happened overnight. So sorry.
Why has the collation casualty rate stayed at a steady 2.3 killed a day for the last three years?
A: Huh?
Why has the Collation of the Willing gotten smaller rather than larger? A: Who are we supposed to add to it, the French?
Why has the Coalition been flying supplies around the country rather than on the ground? A: Maybe it's more efficient that way. I don't know. Why do you read blogs? It's just one of those things. Again, NBFD.
Why did you quantify your comment with “recent months”? Do you think that your comment stands if you say years? A: I think we'll be vacationing in Baghdad before we have another Democrat president.
Posted by: Clyde at April 04, 2006 02:06 PM (S7FHT)
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I don't have time to do a complete response to Mr. Salvage, however, a few highlights: (1) daily terrorist attacks in Iraq have been falling steadily for the past five months; (2) despite an uptick in Civilian deaths following the shrine attack in Feb., Civilian death actually peaked during the Summer of 2005 and have fallen considerably since then; (3) the Collation death rate for March was about 1.07 per day (if you include non-hostile deaths) if you count only deaths from hostile action the casualty rate for March was less than 1 per day and has been falling steadily since October; and (4) insurgent attacks are effectively limited to three provinces in Iraq. Look it up.
Posted by: BMcBurney at April 04, 2006 02:10 PM (atQJx)
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By the way, your standards for "America to win the occupation" are yours alone.
My foreign policy standards are much simpler (cuz I'm dumb and never went to collidg):
1. Make sure a 9/11 never happens again (check, thus far)
2. Liberate Afghanistan, destroy Taliban, kill as many Al Qaeda as possible (check)
3. Decapitate the Baathist regime and expose Saddam's connections to 'allies' France and Russia (check)
4. Parade Osama's head on a stick (waiting)
5. Deal with Iran (waiting)
6. Deal with Syria (waiting)
Batting .500. Not too bad.
Posted by: Clyde at April 04, 2006 02:13 PM (S7FHT)
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>Why is Saddam on trial?
Because he’s a very bad man.
>Why can't the insurgents hold a single city?
They can’t, they don’t need to, when the coalition forces leave they come out and assert their authority, when the forces return the hide amongst the civilians.
>Why can't the insurgents win a single platoon level battle?
They can’t, they don’t need to. Neither did the NVC or RNC
>Why are accidents, unrelated to enemy action, a significant source of casualties?
Because the soldiers died serving their country in a war zone. Brushing your teeth in Iraq is hazardous. You go tell their family and survivors that they aren’t “significant”.
>Why are the ISF's numbers and capability increasing every day?
They are? Why do attacks on civilians continue? Why hasn’t the insurgency been put down? Why is there only one Iraqi force that is close to being ready to operate without American support? How do you reckon that?
>Why were there successful election on Jan 30 2005?
>Why was a constitution ratified in October 2005?
>Why were there more successful election in Dec 2005?
Because they shut the whole country down and American forces made it happen. Without that they never would have happened. Do you think America should be in Iraq for the next two decades?
>Why is electrical capacity above prewar levels?
It isn’t, what’s your source on that?
>Why is electrical demand far above prewar levels?
Because there are more consumer goods and so what? Who cares that they have a new widescreen TV when they can’t go to a market without risking a mortar shell landing on them?
>Why is off-grid generator capacity far above prewar levels?
Because they can’ depend on the grid so they have to use generators, the oil for which they have to wait in line for hours to pay far more than they did before the invasion or get it from the black market. I’m sure the Iraqis are very happy about this.
>Why is water availability above prewar levels?
It isn’t there are parts of Iraq that have to boil the water from the taps. What’s your source on that?
>Why is sanitation better than prewar?
It isn’t there are parts of Iraq that have to boil the water from the taps. What’s your source on that?
>Why are there 34 television station, 145 newspapers, and 73 radio stations where before there were none?
Iraq has all of that before , state controlled of course and again who cares? Do you really think that’s more important than multiple bombings, bodies being pulled out the Tigris, civil war and a creeping theocratic state in the model of Iraq? You do know that some reporters in Iraq have been jailed and or disappeared right?
Posted by: salvage at April 04, 2006 02:14 PM (xWitf)
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Salvage,
The problem with that definition is that essentially it means every last enemy of Iraqi democracy has given up, every militia leader has given up the source of his power, 20 years of infrastructure have been rebuilt, etc.
Posted by: TallDave at April 04, 2006 02:27 PM (Pt9mY)
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Salvage,
The source is a left-wing think tank called the Brookings Institute.
Everything I wrote is accurate. Here, educate yourself.
Posted by: TallDave at April 04, 2006 02:29 PM (Pt9mY)
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Ah, so a free press isn't that inmportant to you Salvage.
I guess you wouldn't mind if Bush seized all the U.S. media, as long as he promised to reduce crime and murder.
Posted by: TallDave at April 04, 2006 02:30 PM (Pt9mY)
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>daily terrorist attacks in Iraq have been falling steadily for the past five months;
They have not, where do you get that idea?
An American general in Baghdad says insurgency assaults against Iraqi troops and civilians are on the rise. Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch says attacks have increased on a daily and weekly basis. Military officials say the spike in attacks is an effort to derail the new Iraqi government.
(for some reason I can't past the URL in? Punch in the first sentence to Google and you can see the whole thing)
>insurgent attacks are effectively limited to three provinces in Iraq. Look it up.
Oh gawd.... you can't be this simple... yes that is true, it's the three provinces with people in them. The bits of desert and lost camels is quite nice. The northern parts where the Kurds have asserted their authority and tossed everyone else out is likewise relatively peaceful.
Y'know what? It's obvious that I could provide all kinds of links like the above and it won't make a lick of difference to some of you.
Iraq is going poorly, looking at one set of numbers that happen to be better this month than last and clinging to it until you can find another silver lining is sad and unhelpful.
Posted by: salvage at April 04, 2006 02:31 PM (xWitf)
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You don't know your Vietnam history very well either. The NVA conquered S Vietnam by taking their major cities with armor and infantry. Roadside bombs? Tragic, but little more than a nusiance in military terms.
The Iraqis did not have generators under Saddam, or for that matter much of anything to run with them. Yes, I'm sure they are very happy about that.
Really, you don't seem to know much about this issue. I would suggest reading more.
Posted by: TallDave at April 04, 2006 02:34 PM (Pt9mY)
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Salvage,
If all the things you list as signs of sucess happened would you support our efforts in Iraq?
Posted by: Boyd at April 04, 2006 02:38 PM (rtjXo)
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salvage asks: "Why have more civilians been killed than ever before?"
Barring resurrection, the number of deaths won't ever decrease.
Posted by: James at April 04, 2006 02:39 PM (bHdM/)
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Salvage,
I think you need to look at the progress in Iraq in a more realistic way. Think about how long it took democracy to flourish in Japan, or Germany, or even South Korea for that matter. By any measuring stick, Iraq is either on pace or ahead of the pace of those three in its development.
Then look at democratic development in places like the US for example. It took us over 150 years and 600,000 men dead in a brutal civil war before we got the basics for human rights across all races and genders straight.
You examples of why you think we're "losing" in Iraq are simply not valid. The war for all intensive purposes is over, and has been for two years. Saddam is in jail, and the baathists no longer terrorize their own citizens while assisting Islamofascists in terrorizing the rest of the world. We are now attempting to assist Iraq transistion. No one said it would be easy or fast. But by any true comparison, things are going rather quickly.
Posted by: Tman at April 04, 2006 02:39 PM (lSC7B)
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Iraq is going poorly, looking at one set of numbers that happen to be better this month than last and clinging to it until you can find another silver lining is sad and unhelpful.
In truth, nearly all the numbers are getting better over time. Finding a few numbers that aren't good lately and clinging to them while insisting that things are getting worse in the face of that is sad and unhelpful.
Again, you really need to educate yourself if you're going to try to debate this topic.
Posted by: TallDave at April 04, 2006 02:43 PM (Pt9mY)
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"Why are there more terrorist attacks in Iraq than less? A: First of all, the opposite is true. But regardless, there *were* terrorist attacks because our presence there attracted hundreds of Al Qaeda and Al Qaeda allies to Iraq who, while doing a great deal of damage, have also been killed and destroyed wherever they have poked up. Better fight them there than here."
I wish all you guys who are pushing that "better there than here" argument would go to Iraq and try telling it to a grieving mother whose children have just been killed by a car bomb and see what she thinks of it. Or, if you're a Christian, tell it to Jesus after you die and see what happens.
Posted by: Ted at April 04, 2006 02:46 PM (Ocamr)
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I wish all you guys who are pushing that "better there than here" argument would go to Iraq and try telling it to a grieving mother whose children have just been killed by a car bomb and see what she thinks of it. Or, if you're a Christian, tell it to Jesus after you die and see what happens.
You presume to know the mind of God, Ted?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 04, 2006 02:51 PM (g5Nba)
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Ted,
I'd like you to explain to the families of the 2 million killed by Saddam why it's better he stay in power.
Here's a little Iraq math:
Conservatively, 2 million people killed by Saddam's wars, civil and with Iran/Kuwait. That's 228 people per day of his rule. We can assume he wasn't turning a new leaf anytime soon, so it was probably going to continue at about that pace.
Things may not be great in Iraq right now, but they're getting better, there's democracy and a free press, and there's nowhere near 228 people per day dying.
Posted by: TallDave at April 04, 2006 02:52 PM (Pt9mY)
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So now Ted has invented the "Chicken Disciple" argument?
Ted - these AQ types didn't spring fully armed from the brow of Zeus because Americans came by - they were busy earlier turning Afghanistan into a charnel house, etc. I got to see their handiwork up close and personal. I'd rather we kill them anywhere - preferrable there, but dead, nonetheless.
Posted by: Major John at April 04, 2006 02:54 PM (2MrBP)
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For America to truly win the occupation there needs to be:
No more daily multiple bombings.
No more militias.
Oil needs to flow.
Electricity needs to be 24hrs.
The Iraqi police and army must have a monopoly on violence.
The central government can’t be stumped at every political roadblock (how long ago was the last election and how much actual governing have they done?)
And so on.
Looking at one facet of the situation and saying “we’re winning!” while ignoring all the signs that you’re losing is obtuse, delusional and unhelpful.
Conversely, ignoring the trends that indicate movement toward all of the above indicators of 'winning' is equally "obtuse, delusional and unhelpful". Iraq is not a binary state in which either everything is successful and we have 'won' or not.
In other words, hold assertations of 'loosing' to the same standard as 'winning' lest you appear to be biased toward a preconceived notion.
Posted by: Michael at April 04, 2006 02:56 PM (yt9YG)
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"Iraq has all of that before , state controlled of course and again who cares?"
Iraq didn't have all that. News wasn't only "state-controlled," it didn't exist. Only what Saddam allowed existed. Itaqis were incredibly isolated, perhaps more so than any nation besides North Korea. Iraqis were not allowed cell-phones, internet access, satellite TVs. Textbooks were decades out of date. The banking system revolved around Saddam, now they have a modern banking system that allows people to do business. There's a real Iraqi stock market now.
You don't think it matters that they now have financial and news access to the outside world and can express a wide range of political views?
"Do you really think that’s more important than multiple bombings, bodies being pulled out the Tigris, civil war and a creeping theocratic state in the model of Iraq?"
This is not a zero-sum game. You don't have to exchange one for the other. There were far more violent deaths under Saddam, most of them because of Saddam, including systematic torture and bodies pulled out of the Tigris, etc. Now there is far less violence, AND freedom of speech and an incipient representative government and rule of law.
Iraqis don't want a theocracy, and will only get one if we leave and Iran takes over.
Posted by: Yehudit at April 04, 2006 02:57 PM (l+aGe)
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Salvage,
If you are going to spout both ideas (statements) and attempt to refute others then make reference to your sources....else you are just spouting off and have no basis for any belief by anyone reading this.
A list of your facts is one unsubstantiated. Unless you can produce those facts or background supporting evidence stop making statements.
Got it moonbat?
Posted by: DukeofDeLand at April 04, 2006 02:58 PM (6azBF)
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Salvage -
>Why isn’t the electric shortage eased?
The electric shortage hasn't eased because the law of supply and demand works in Iraq. Electricity in Iraq is *not metered*, something that was also true under the Baathist regime. If you instituted free electricity in the US, we'd have shortages develop inside a week. Shortages in Iraq are normal so long as that system stays in effect.
Resolving this problem is a political problem, not an engineering one. This is one of the things the democratically elected Iraqi government is going to have to deal with because, properly, the Coalition thought Iraq's electricity pricing structure should be a domestic matter.
>Why does Iraq have to import oil?
They don't. They import gasoline and other refined products. Iran does too because like Iraq, they have insufficient refining capacity. Iraq exports oil.
>Why hasn’t the Iraqi army stepped up and American soldiers sent home?
The Iraqi army is stepping up. Unfortunately, the Army fairy has her magic wand in the shop and so the job isn't done. The privates are ready, the low level officers are ready, the NCOs are getting there (they take longer) the senior level staff is going to take decades, just like it does in the good old USA. The logistical tail is going to take a long, long time and we haven't even started on it.
We've made a conscious decision to reduce Iraqi casualties by sticking around longer with our combat forces so that progress can happen faster. Over time, we'll be drawing down, very likely in 2006, as the Sunnis continue to draw down their insurgency and barring any truly stupid happenings like an Iranian invasion.
>Why has the Collation of the Willing gotten smaller rather than larger?
Combat is hard but counterinsurgency is wearing and brutal work on the politicians back home. Some governments don't have the staying power. Other governments simply don't have the money to keep their forces in the field. Some have left and some have come who weren't there at the beginning. Japan has deployed 1k troops (combat and support) to Iraq, it's largest post WW II foreign deployment as far as I can tell.
Posted by: TM Lutas at April 04, 2006 03:14 PM (dj3gy)
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Salvage- Did you know that the east coast of the US had a massive brownout a few years ago? A total loss of electricity.
Do you know how many third world countries have 24 hour electricity across the whole country? Heck, how about how many have 24 hour electricity in their capital cities?
This seems like a pretty steep requirement to define a victory. It makes one wonder just how serious your thinking is.
"The Iraqi police and army must have a monopoly on violence."
Oh, hmmm. That statement pretty well answers how serious your thinking is.
Posted by: Mitchell at April 04, 2006 03:15 PM (psvbQ)
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Sorry, I had to skip past the debate once my eyes hit this statement from Salvage:
"The Iraqi police and army must have a monopoly on violence"
Salvage certainly isn't part of the Human Rights or Amnesty International crowd. When Saddam was in power, the Iraqi police and army did have a monopoly on violence. For the sake of the Iraqi people, I hope that doesn't happen again.
Posted by: Leland at April 04, 2006 03:40 PM (q/kmn)
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Lefties that don't think a free press is important have a friend in Dear Leader. Kim also doesn't think a free press is useful. If you consider emigrating, Salvage, I'd put NK at the top of the list.
Posted by: Sweetie at April 04, 2006 03:49 PM (CGv6G)
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Late to the game but here is my pass:
In a baiting question you asked "So if America is winning than:"
In the hopeful chance you will listen, let see if I can answer you.
Why are there more terrorist attacks in Iraq than less?
Then when? When Saddam was in charge there were more attacks on civilians then now; to the tune of 10X the number of deaths then today. Or is it not terrorism when the state does it to the population. Let’s just call it genocide.
Why can the insurgents strike at will in all parts of the country?
Ummm... They can't. The north is very safe. Many areas are more safe then Israel. There are only about 3-6 provinces [muhafazāt] out of 18 that are unsafe.
Why have more civilians been killed than ever before?
Before what? Saddam killed 3-4 million. Total killed after the invasion – 30k. Most of them by ex-baath party members or the oppressed peoples they killed getting revenge.
Why are the civilians arming themselves and forming militias?
We have the same thing here in the US… and?
Why are reconstruction projects running out of funds and running behind schedule?
Ever see the reports from the Marshall program. In fact, ever see ANY government program run on time, on budget? It staggers me to think anyone expects any government to do anything right… thus, why to liberals keep putting their trust in more government programs.
Why isn’t the electric shortage eased?
Demand is growing faster then supply. In fact, Iraq is now generating more power then at anytime in their history. However, now everyone is getting power, not JUST the Baath party members. In the “good old” days of Saddam only the elites received electricity.
Why does Iraq have to import oil?
Demand for gasoline has skyrocketed as the number of cars in the country has doubled. And Iraq charges only 5 cents a gallon, encouraging smugglers to take it to neighboring Jordan where they sell it for more than a dollar a gallon.
Why is Bush requesting even more money for Iraq?
See above, but still, this has been one of the most inexpensive wars in history [percent of GDP] not to mention the staggering low casualties.
Why hasn’t the Iraqi army stepped up and American soldiers sent home?
Study military history. It takes at least 5 years to train an army, more to make it professional. Were you not listening to the “long hard slog” part of the speech?
Why do they have to shut the whole country down to have an election?
It seemed prudent at the time, and overall, it worked. There are many calling for the same here so we can vote.
Why has the collation casualty rate stayed at a steady 2.3 killed a day for the last three years?
Hmmm… it’s a war? And that is an average… and it is going down.
Why has the Collation of the Willing gotten smaller rather than larger?
The demands on the governments by misguided people are creating pressure to get out. Leaving only those who are willing to stay and fight. Ones who recognize the need to create a significant change in the middle east or else we will be back there in 10 years. Only this time with radiation suits after they blow themselves up.
Why has the Coalition been flying supplies around the country rather than on the ground?
Huh? Do you have any idea how many truck convoys move each day in Iraq? There are not enough air assets in the world to supply all the needs.
Why did you quantify your comment with “recent months”? Do you think that your comment stands if you say years?
I can’t answer for him, but I would say yes.
Posted by: Bigol at April 04, 2006 04:05 PM (NWY+Q)
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TallDave said:
"The Iraqis did not have generators under Saddam, or for that matter much of anything to run with them. Yes, I'm sure they are very happy about that."
Right. Apparently we also brought fire and the wheel to those swarthy savages.
Posted by: Anon at April 04, 2006 04:17 PM (8GVhO)
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Salvage:
My source for information on daily attacks is the Brookings Iraq Index but there are other sources. The most trustworthy evidence of a drop in the number and effectiveness of attacks is the dramatic reduction in overall casualties since the last Iraqi election.
Approximately 70% of the Iraqi population lives in provinces without any significant terrorist activity.
I could not help but notice that you did not attempt to dispute the observations in my post.
Posted by: BMcBurney at April 04, 2006 04:24 PM (atQJx)
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One thing that "salvage" forgets (or never learned in history class, maybe) is that historically you can only really tell you're "winning" a war in hindsight, after you've already won. You can only look back and say: aha! that was the turning point, or from this point on the result was inevitable.
But is it possible to reliably predict ultimate victory well before it happens? Of course not. Think it through, "salvage": if it were possible to logically predict victory for one side of a conflict, what would the other side do? They're no less capable of logic! Clearly if one side could predict with ironclad logic that they're going to lose, then they'd stop throwing their lives away. They'd negotiate, surrender, move to a different part of the world, get a life, whatever. No rational person throws his life away on an utterly lost cause. War continues only as long as both sides are convinced they might, somehow, possibly, in some definition of the word, win.
It therefore follows that the only time that it's perfectly crystal clear to any idiot that one side is going to win the war is just about when the war ends, and pretty much why it ends.
It also has to be borne in mind that how each side defines "winning" may be different. From the point of view of the United States, we've already won the war in Iraq, because the Baathists and the secret nuke and biowar programs are gone and very unlikely to come back. At worst Iraq may turn into a neutral to mildly hostile quasi-ally, run by an overly authoritarian and unpleasantly Islamified government, with a restive population. Like Egypt. We can deal with Egypt. It's not a 100% friend like Australia, but it's not much worse than a 10% friend like France. So the US can pretty much declare victory any time it wants and bring the troops home.
But it's not particularly important that we do so, mind you. Except to folks who are getting a little desperate at the increasing unlikelihood that this will all end so badly, a la Vietnam, that they'll be able to say "ha ha, I told you so." For these folks, the longer the war (or rather anti-guerilla operations) go on, the less likely it is that it will end up ambiguously enough for them to argue that the war was "lost." That's why the NYT wants the troops home now. If they come home now, they can declare defeat. If they come home in five years, when Iraq is no more dangerous a place for them than the Phillipines, that won't be possible.
Furthermore, Iraq is basically now one giant live-fire training exercise, with deaths mildly but not exceptionally high for such things. The risk to our troops on the whole is serious but indefinitely sustainable. Yes, some will get killed every day. That's the nature of being in the army. Or for that matter being alive: there are 150,000 American troops in Iraq, roughly, with an average age of about 30. If they were "safe" at home, statistically about 14 would die every month anyway. Instead, it's about 50. That's enough higher to keep you on your toes, you bet. But not so high that one could speak of a generation being laid waste.
Nor let us forget they are being superbly trained. Nothing teaches officers and men how best to fight a war than, well, fighting one. Nothing proves out weapons systems better than actual operation in theater. The officers, men, tactics and equipment of the US armed forces in the middle of this century -- trained and hardened in Iraq -- will probably be the best the world has ever seen. That national benefit is almost certainly well worth the present modest cost in lives and treasure.
Posted by: Sponge Bob at April 04, 2006 04:25 PM (cj5jm)
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All together now: Civil War! Civil War! There's just GOT to be Civil War!!!! C'mon, Iraqui's--you can do it! We just KNOW there's gotta be a civil war here somewhere.
Sincerely,
The American Left
Posted by: nikkolai at April 04, 2006 04:37 PM (70wcC)
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Good questions:
Why have more civilians been killed than ever before?
Why are more Civilians arming themselves and forming militias?
Why are reconstruction projects running out of funds and running behind schedule?
It's a quagmire, pull out of Detroit now. And don't even get me started with New Orleans.
Posted by: David at April 04, 2006 05:00 PM (z1n/p)
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Iraq doesn't import oil, they import gasoline. This is because they do not have sufficient refining capacity, and never have. Now demand is up over 50% from prewar levels.
The facts are, Iraq exported an average of 1.4 million barrels of oil per day last year, exceding prewar levels. This year, that is expected to increase to 1.65 million barrels per day this year.
Kevin L. Connors, Editor
The Daily Brief
Posted by: Kevin L. Connors at April 04, 2006 05:40 PM (IDbRO)
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David,
The civilians are getting killed by TERRORISTS. Our pulling out would leave no one to stop the foreign terrorists, and result in many MORE civilians getting killed.
Just like our withdrawal from Vietnam led to 2 million Vietnamese and Cambodians being killed after that. But you excuse that as it was Communists doing the killing.
I notice that you didn't care when Saddam was killing his own civilians DELIBERATELY.
You have been exposed as someone who doesn't care about Iraqi civilians, but merely an anti-American fifth columnist.
Posted by: Joop at April 04, 2006 05:57 PM (IJedl)
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Salvage,
By the standards you provide, China isn't winning in China.
Multiple daily bombings: Check
Inconsistent electicity: Check
Not enough oil to meet demand: Check
No monopoly on violence by police and army: Check (although this true everywhere on earth)
Come to think of it, has anyone here been to France during the summer?
Posted by: nick at April 04, 2006 06:00 PM (EhVdd)
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Neither India nor China have ever had consistent electricity. Their economies still grow at 7-10% per year.
But the fastest growing economy in the world is.... IRAQ!!! 17% per year !!!
What a stunning success the US mission has been..
Posted by: Joop at April 04, 2006 06:05 PM (IJedl)
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Joop, read my note, think satire.
Posted by: David at April 04, 2006 06:16 PM (z1n/p)
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Anon,
Well, we didn't bring them the wheel and fire, but we did remove the dictator who made it very difficult (generally impossible) for them to buy things like generators, satelite dishes, computers, internet... even cars were much rarer in Saddam's time. This was not just because of sanctions; Saddam made those things difficult to buy because he wanted to be the guy who decided who got what.
So I guess you could say we gave them BACK the wheel and fire.
Posted by: TallDave at April 04, 2006 08:43 PM (H8Wgl)
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Statistics for Iraq casualities.
Posted by: Greg F at April 04, 2006 09:33 PM (8+1m2)
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Salvage - I skipped over a lot of comments by everyone else just to add this. To your question, "Why are there more Iraqi civilians killed than ever before?" The simple answer is, that there are far less civilians being killed in Iraq now than there were under Saddam, unless you declare that the hundreds of thousands Saddam killed were in some form of opposing Iraqi military force. Saddam sustained a daily killing rate of civilians for decades that was at least three times higher than any daily rate for Iraqi deaths (including Saddam's military) since the invasion began.
Then for good measure, add the over one million Iraqis and Iranians killed in war, and a half-million who died as Saddam diverted oil-for-food money during the sanctions period.
The bottom line, Saddam was responsible for the deaths of more Muslims than any other person for all time -- and more than double the total killed for both sides for all the Crusades combined.
Posted by: Major Mike at April 04, 2006 11:39 PM (5Zjye)
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Salvage, it's people like you and the MSM that keep the insurgency going. It's the defeatist's like yourself that fuel the insurgents. Reid, Pelosi, Schummer, Clinton, and the rest. They are trying to do what we let the North Vietnamese and the MSM do, try to sway American opinion and pull out. If you don't think that, there is something wrong with your thought processes. But what about the real GI's that made the ultimate sacrifice, they died in vain? Thats what should be talked about. You are the same as the people that spit on our Soldiers and Marines that came back from Vietnam and called them "Baby killers". Those Brave souls are Hero's and they do not want to quit even though you and the Hollywood elite would like to.
Posted by: Faithful Patriot at April 05, 2006 06:52 AM (JSetw)
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I hesitate to even post a comment on this blog because the staggering level of Bush and Bush-related ass-kissing is so gag-inducing, but...
"News wasn't only 'state-controlled,' it didn't exist. Only what Saddam allowed existed. Itaqis were incredibly isolated, perhaps more so than any nation besides North Korea. Iraqis were not allowed cell-phones, internet access, satellite TVs."
I have NEVER heard this. Proof, please?
Posted by: Pieter Friedrich at April 06, 2006 01:43 AM (kdlhM)
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Pointing out that our troops are NOT losing in Iraq is "Bush related ass-kissing"?
Gosh, you wouldn't happen to have any pre-concieved notions about how the war is going, would you? Nah, couldn't possibly.....
Posted by: Raging Dave at April 06, 2006 06:37 AM (yW7ak)
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On trends in casualties:
The year with fewest deaths in the Pacific theater of WWII was ... 1941.
1942 saw MORE deaths than in 1941. (naturally)
But 1943 saw MORE deaths than in 1942!
Then 1944 saw MORE deaths than in 1943 !!
That's because we were LOSING the war, right?
Posted by: Highpockets Larry at April 06, 2006 05:41 PM (lgfCy)
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On WWII:
Good point. Maybe we shouldn't have stuck our noses in the Europeans' war.
Posted by: Pieter Friedrich at April 07, 2006 11:20 AM (kdlhM)
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"News wasn't only 'state-controlled,' it didn't exist. Only what Saddam allowed existed. Itaqis were incredibly isolated, perhaps more so than any nation besides North Korea. Iraqis were not allowed cell-phones, internet access, satellite TVs."
I have NEVER heard this. Proof, please?
Start with this about the ban on satellite television and the ensuing boom once Saddam was deposed, this about the ban and later boom of cell phones... it's all there on this thing called "Google." There are a lot of things you haven't heard of, especially when you don't bother to look.
As for your ignorant crack about casualties, they were for the Pacific theater, as is clearly noted, not the European theater. RIF, Pieter.
As for "sticking our noses in the Europeans's war", Hitler's Germany declared war on the United States on December 11, 1941.
I think you're in a bit over your head.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 07, 2006 12:15 PM (g5Nba)
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The European theater was more episodic, so the year-to-year trends were less clearcut. A general rule was that the rate of casualties corresponded to the amount of combat taking place. If you engage the enemy less, the casualty rate will decline. Since the general trend was that the allied forces made steady progress against the axis forces, engaging the enemy less resulted in SLOWER progress in capturing enemy territory.
As an aside re casualties: the WWI experience made commanders on both sides passionately averse to the dysfunctional meat-grinder of trench warfare. Defeat was preferable to a stalemate.
So increases in casualties might reflect "losing the war" .... but more likely, it reflects more occasions of successful engagements with the enemy.
In Vietnam, the Tet offensive led to quite high losses in a brief but relatively intense coordinated engagement. Militarily it was a disaster for the North Vietnamese. But Walter Cronkite declared it a tremendous loss for US and South Vietnamese forces. Walter snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. If he had been a North Vietnamese agent(which he wasn't, he was merely left leaning) he could not have been more effective. Tremendous casualties CAN lead to success since political agents, such as politicians and Main Stream Media folks, can make hay according to their agenda, the situation be damned.
So casualty numbers are an ambiguous indicator. What counts are various indicators of success and failure. Figures "connot" lie but liars can figure.
Posted by: Highpockets Larry at April 07, 2006 05:26 PM (bH++o)
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"There are a lot of things you haven't heard of, especially when you don't bother to look."
Speaking of cracks, that one was polite. I didn't suggest Yehudit was wrong about free speech being suppressed in Iraq...the cell-phones and satellite TVs being banned bit is just something I hadn't heard. Surprising, I know, that I haven't heard everything there is to hear in this world. With "Iraq" producing three quarters of a billion Google results, it's a bit difficult to keep up with ALL the news about that country, especially when, as I care about the U.S. more, I tend to read more American-related news.
"As for your ignorant crack about casualties, they were for the Pacific theater, as is clearly noted, not the European theater. RIF, Pieter."
You're right. I should have paid closer attention.
"As for 'sticking our noses in the Europeans's war', Hitler's Germany declared war on the United States on December 11, 1941."
Well, if we're on the subject of paying attention...
Hitler declared war on us AFTER we declared war on Japan. Such a move would be quite similar to us declaring war on Iran if Iran declared war on Israel. In other words, we wouldn't have been at war with Germany *if we hadn't declared war on Japan*. And as has been rather incontrovertibly proven, Japan was goaded into attacking Pearl Harbor, making our involvement in the Second World War actually something of a war of aggression on OUR part. But I've written about that before, will write about it again, and feel no desire to waste my time discussing the issue here when it's ridiculously easy to find information about. One good place to start would be here.
As it is, I'm out. I ran across a handful of Republican blogs and was surprised, considering Bush's lack of popularity even among his party members, to see all the little cheerleaders STILL dancing and waving pom-poms for the president. It's been a while since I bothered reading any of the semi-mainstream GOP blogs, and I'm just reminded once again why I tend to avoid the dreck they propagate. That, and why I left the GOP.
Posted by: Pieter Friedrich at April 07, 2006 09:24 PM (kdlhM)
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Not much on my mind these days, but what can I say? It's not important. I just don't have much to say lately. I've just been letting everything pass me by recently, but eh.
Posted by: Kaka38107 at April 20, 2006 02:46 AM (UajvO)
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Not much on my mind lately. My life's been completely boring these days. I've just been hanging out not getting anything done. So it goes.
Posted by: Kaka97038 at April 20, 2006 11:46 PM (eKLdK)
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Legacies
Richard Cohen of the Washington Post has a dyspeptic editorial up this morning, A Hole in Which Hopes Are Buried, in which he expresses general outrage at everything George W. Bush.
Cohen starts his rant at Ground Zero:
President Bush is starting to look beyond his presidency. His focus is on his legacy, which he is sure will vindicate his decision to go to war in Iraq. But his most fitting memorial is likely to be where I was Sunday: the immense gash in Lower Manhattan known as Ground Zero. More than 4 1/2 years after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the hole has yet to be filled.
Tourists come and look. The selling of souvenirs is prohibited at the site itself, but around the corner, on Vesey Street, peddlers hug the shadows. The proper souvenir to take away from this place, though, is the memory of its immense emptiness. It's a hole filled with broken promises and silly rhetoric, an inverted monument to the Bush administration's unfathomable failure even to capture Osama bin Laden.
Cohen attempts to affix the failure to rebuild the WTC site as Bush's legacy, as if urban commercial architect were among the many mythical powers he has assumed in his imagined “imperial presidency.” But Bush is not to blame for the failure to rebuild at Ground Zero. Rounds of ensuing site designs have been brought forth, shot down, and slowed down because of politics, lawsuits wrangling over insurance monies, and safety concerns, all local issues.
He then chastises the President for not yet getting Osama bin Laden. I once thought more of Richard Cohen, but he seems unable to grasp the simple fact that Osama is a figurehead, a symbolic leader whose operational capabilities have steadily declined in every nation as al Qaeda cells are picked off one-by-one around the world. But then, Cohen isn't really interested in bin Laden. Were Bush to call a joint session of Congress and have bin Laden's head literally brought out on a silver platter, Cohen would assuredly be among the first to quote the Dali Llama saying that the death of bin Laden would just create ten more.
What Richard Cohen will not do, is face the brutal fact that the man he so openly admires, William Jefferson Clinton, through inaction in the Sudan and repeated hesitancy in Afghanistan, allowed bin Laden to live to see the horrors his disciples would create.
The two felled Towers and the 2,792 souls taken in their collapse are a legacy to Clinton's inaction, not Bush's bravado. Ground Zero is the hole that Bill built.
Cohen rails about President bush's supposed incompetence in waging war, yet fails to account for President Clinton's abject failure in waging peace that led us to where we are today. If Bush's legacy is a void, Bill Clinton's legacy is a blackened September sky.
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The stark despair of the liberal left deepens and thickens with every report of a good economy, successes in the WoT, proud citizens who are proud of their brave soldiers and the list goes on and on.
It's as though the left's inability to 'own' the center of attention is simply incomprehensible, and, in bitterness and spite, they strike out at everything and everyone.
It's going to get far worse for them, too.
Posted by: heldmyw at April 04, 2006 01:50 PM (LvGT1)
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Wow, Cohen obviously doesn't know New York City; everyone here knew the moment the politicos whispered re-building the WTC all the sane NYer's knew it would be at least a decade before the plans would even be agreed upon.
Actually, the year Bush's great grandchild is elected President will be the year the WTC will begin construction.
Posted by: syn at April 04, 2006 05:58 PM (21Ssw)
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April 03, 2006
Big Easy Babylon
Outside the oceanographic certainty that the French Quarter is destined to be part of the Gulf of Mexico sea floor sooner rather than later, the polarized racial politics of the mayoral race in a post-Katrina New Orleans betrays a bigoted Big Easy that might be too repulsive to rebuild:
Instead, with the city's majority-black status in doubt for the first time in decades, one dominant motif has emerged from the campaign: race, which for nearly 30 years has been merely a muted subtheme in politics here. Since 1978, New Orleans has elected black mayors, and there has been little doubt about the racial identity of the eventual winner.
This year, each of the three major candidates or their supporters have aligned themselves along racial lines, with each camp hoping it has singled out the correct, and as yet unknown, demographic.
In part, this is a measure of how far the office of mayor has been reduced in the seven months after the storm.
If this election has been reduced to nothing more than a census in a hole in a swamp, are the cultural remains of New Orleans really worth rebuilding?
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Without Further DeLay
The Washington Post reports that former House majority leader Tom DeLay has announced his retirement:
Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Tex.), a primary architect of the House Republican majority who became one of the most powerful and feared leaders in Washington, told House allies Monday night he will step down from the House rather than face a reelection fight that appears increasingly unwinnable.
The decision came just three days after his former deputy chief of staff, Tony C. Rudy, pleaded guilty to conspiracy and corruption charges, telling federal prosecutors of a criminal enterprise being run out of DeLay's leadership offices. Rudy's plea agreement did not implicate DeLay in any illegal activities, but by placing the influence-buying efforts of disgraced Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff directly in DeLay's operation, the former aide may have made an already difficult reelection bid all but out of reach.
DeLay, who turns 60 this Saturday, did not say precisely when he would step down, but under Texas law, he must take himself out of reelection consideration by August if his name is to be removed from the November ballot.
In recent memory DeLay has been dogged with allegations of corruption with the guilty pleas of Jack Abramoff and his former press secretary, Michael Scanlon, preceding the even more recent Rudy plea. I think this is a pretty strong indication that DeLay feels charges against himself are imminent, and that his future prospects will now depend on the work of prosecutors instead of pollsters.
Update: Mike Allen of Time has the exclusive interview with DeLay.
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I think you're quite wrong about charges being imminent against Delay. I suggest you read Byron York's recently posted article at National Review which might make you think twice before making predictions which have no basis in fact.
I do love your blog though but advise you to show a little more caution in your predictions.
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