Confederate Yankee
May 11, 2007
When Antiques are Outlawed, Only Outlaws with Have Antiques
Where did AFP dig this up, the Smithsonian?
While the blurred edges and inadequate lighting make a positive ID very difficult, it certainly appears that AFP might be using a century-old
1903 Colt Hammerless pistol in this obviously and admitted staged photo related to the Virginia Tech massacre.
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Update: Speaking of guns lost in time, an eagle-eyed
Glennstapundit links to
a gun control article at the
Huffington Post,
noting that the guns in the photo aren't real; they're Airsoft.
You would think that some subtle clues would encourage the HuffPuffers to question the authenticity of the weapons pictured--perhaps the grenade launcher component slung under the barrel of the gun held by the guy in the white shirt might have clued them in, or the fact that the rifle in question was a prototype cancelled in 2005--but apparently these little details slipped through the cracks.
They do give the Associated Press photo credit, however, and I wonder if the AP might have botched it as well.
Update: According to
Canada.com, the AP photo shows firearms on display at an NRA convention in Pittsburgh, PA. A quick Google search indicates that the convention was held in
April, 2004. The firearms in question appear to be part of a "hands on" display focusing on next-generation military combat rifles.
They are
decidedly not for sale in Virginia, as the
Huffington Post article seems to imply, and could not be sold to civilians
under federal law, as all of the firearms displayed are automatic weapons manufactured after 1986.
The
Huffington Post is lying with pictures, just not in the way we originally thought. Thanks to
SayUncle's "Quack" for catching the photo's origins.
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CY:
Why did you use line-through markup instead of simply removing or changing the post to reflect the updated information? I see this done every once in a while on various sites, and I guess I missed the memo on the reasoning behind it.
Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 11, 2007 07:24 PM (wbZIb)
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Doc, on the starboard side of the 'sphere we still believe in owning up to our mistakes. It's called "integrity." Memory Holes are for the Lefties.
Posted by: Bill Faith at May 11, 2007 09:48 PM (n7SaI)
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nice weapon. BTW, i do that strikethough thing to. its a good idea, shows your not underhanded.
Posted by: jamal at May 13, 2007 10:17 AM (g8EqA)
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Doc,
Let me put it in a less contentious way. (Do we on the right call them "teaching moments?" I've only heard that term from left-wingers, but it seems a useful one.)
It's customary on a lot of blogs to indicate corrections when they're made. This way if someone linked to the post with a comment, the original material is intact. And, if you go back to a story later, for reference, you can see if things have changed.
The news sources try to provide the best info they can right now, and the best truth eventually for archival research. But they don't provide a back-trail showing prior erroneous reports.
This infuriates bloggers because they will discuss something in a news story, and then the something will suddenly unexist.
BTW I personally prefer to see updates because they carry over if the text is cut and pasted to a text-only format. Like the comments here.
Here's some cut and paste:
"Update: Speaking of guns lost in time, an eagle-eyed Glennstapundit links to a gun control article at the Huffington Post, noting that the guns in the photo aren't real; they're Airsoft."
All the formatting would have to be reconstructed, and it's easy to get wrong.
Posted by: Sam at May 14, 2007 12:55 PM (6GFTi)
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BTW I like the approach used in the post "Please Tell Me This In't True" much better.
Posted by: Sam at May 14, 2007 12:56 PM (6GFTi)
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Mort Kondrake's Final Solution
Writing today at RealClearPolitics, Mort Kondrake's basic solution to the problems poised by the Iraq War is genocidally specific:
Without prejudging whether President Bush's "surge" policy will work, the administration and its critics ought to be seriously thinking about a Plan B, the "80 percent solution" - also known as "winning dirty." Right now, the administration is committed to building a unified, reconciled, multisectarian Iraq - "winning clean." Most Democrats say that's what they want, too. But it may not be possible.
The 80 percent alternative involves accepting rule by Shiites and Kurds, allowing them to violently suppress Sunni resistance and making sure that Shiites friendly to the United States emerge victorious.
There is a certain simple genius to Kondrake's formulation.
If you don't like the problems poised by 20% of the population,
simply eliminate the problematic population.
Why would anyone object?
Allah tackles this "solution"
as well.
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Don't Plan B used to be call "fighting a war."
Posted by: Anh at May 11, 2007 12:42 PM (ScKRZ)
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What's a little genocide between friends? Its like doing your first serial killing. The first is tough, the rest are easy.
I've often said, once you give up on those quaint notions of integrity, all things become possible.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 11, 2007 01:00 PM (pGj0D)
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The only Plan B that works for me is making Plan A work. OTOH, maybe PA has a point; the world didn't stop turning after he Cambodian slaughter. Of course the Khmer Rouge didn't follow us home, either.
I added an excerpt and link to my 2007.05.11 Dem Perfidy // Islamism Delenda Est Roundup
Posted by: Bill Faith at May 11, 2007 03:44 PM (n7SaI)
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Ah yes, winning is always secondary to morality in the eyes of those who are not at risk nor have sacrificed anything. Let us maintain the mooral high ground as we retreat and proclaim our moral supremacy. That should safeguard us against the consequences of defeat at the hands of a foe who will neither accept civilization's views of morality nor accept anything less than the West's utter defeat and enslavement. We have our morality to keep us warm at night. I suspect this is what the French told themselves in 1940.
Posted by: Thomas Jackson at May 12, 2007 11:45 PM (YXXuO)
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What are you complaining about? Kondracke is a right-of-centre slug that works for a Republican News Channel that likes to pretend to provide fairness and balance. For you to complain about what he has to say is similar to a child at the zoo screaming angrily at his parents that the monkey in the cage next to him isn't entertaining enough.
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Please Tell Me This In't True (UPDATE: It Isn't)
I've long felt that Democratic leaders (not most Dem voters, who I think are generally good folks) will stoop to any level to achieve their political goals, but if the following conversation relayed to HotAir.com is true (and I have strong doubts, but would like them put to rest), then heads should roll:
XM Radio’s Quinn & Rose made the allegation that DNC Chairman Howard Dean called Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius early Sunday morning and instructed her not to request federal assistance in recovery from the Greensburg tornado, and to lie about the federal response to date, on their show, The War Room, today. After I discussed the story via phone with both Quinn and Rose today, here’s what they sent me.
Quinn & Rose relate specific allegations from an anonymous source that claims to be in a position to know of a conversation between Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius and Kansas Senator Sam Brownback.
I encourage you to read the account in full.
If correct, Sebelius willfully lied when she stated she did not have enough National Guard troops to respond to the Greensburg tornado, and she did so at the direct requests of Democratic National Committee Chairmen Howard Dean and Democratic Senator Dick Durban of Illinois.
I'd typically discount such claims as conspiracy theorizing, except for the fact that several Democratic governors are now voicing the same concerns, from Maryland's
Martin O'Malley, to North Carolina's
Mike Easley and Arkansas'
Mike Beebe, and with equally questionable reasoning.
Easley states that our state's National Guard could handle the largest natural disaster we face,
a hurricane, but bases his complaint on the fact that we aren't equipped to handle a pandemic. This is a devastatingly shallow response: in the case of a pandemic, the
surge capacity of our medical system would fail far before out National Guard will.
Were other Democratic governors prodded to a response by Dean as Sebelius reportedly was?
Did Sebelius, Chairwoman of the
Democratic Governor's Association, make a call to Democratic governors on behalf of Dean? Or did Easley, Beebe, etc merely respond to a media inquiries?
Frankly, I don't know how much "meat" there is to this story, or if it is true, but think that if Howard Dean would disclose his personal home, DNC, and cell phone calls to the 785 area code for May 5, we could potentially rule out this story fairly quickly.
If the story does pan out to be true—and I do have strong reservations, as to date, it is based upon a single anonymous source—Sebelius should be impeached on ethics violations, Dean should step down, and both they and any other government officials that may be involved should be investigated for charges of conspiracy and racketeering under federal
RICO statutes.
I sincerely hope that state and national Democrats would not stoop to such a level.
Lets see those phone records, Dean-o, and put these rumors to rest.
Update: Hot Air is now reporting that the DNC has sent cease-and-desist letters to XM Radio and the Free Republic, stating that the claims made were "demonstrably, uneqivically, and absolutely false."
Let's hope so.
Update: Brownbeck denies the call as well.
Stick a fork in this one.
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Easy Mike's concern is there won't be enough gaurdsmen to shoot sickly republicans when a pandemic strikes. Primarily because they'll be standing guard around his and Johnny Edwards homes making sure the riff-raff don't get in.
At least that's what I'd say if I were a conspiracy theorist.
Posted by: phin at May 11, 2007 10:40 AM (CQcil)
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Don't you think that with the C&D letters that they are proving their guilt by protesting too much?
Posted by: David Caskey at May 11, 2007 10:57 AM (G5i3t)
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It is difficult to think of a way to debunk this for certain, short of a statement from Brownback. But if it is true that Sebelius said what she did about equipment shortages because Howard Dean asked her to, it is hard to understand why she would admit doing so to Brownback, or a confession from Sebelius or Dean.
It is true that this is not the first time Sebelius has brought up this subject. Go here to see a MediaMatters article "debunking" the Quinn and Rose allegation (I don't think it does so conclusively): http://mediamatters.org/items/200705110002?f=h_latest
I know MediaMatters is a partisan site, but this article does contain links to AP stories on Sebelius' earlier complaints about the effects of Iraq War deployments on the Kansas National Guard.
It also suggests that the equipment shortages are real. At any rate, Sebelius brought this up earlier--she didn't need Howard Dean to suggest she take advantage of such a golden opportunity to point the problem out again.
And so what if the Iraq War decimates state militias? Those of you who support the war believe this is a price worth paying. Those of us who oppose it believe it is not. The point is not really whether the Governor of Kansas is making political points--she is, after all, a politician. The point is whether the Iraq deployment brings with it costs in terms of local disaster relief that are higher than we want to pay. So the real question should be: How high are these costs?
Voters in Kansas probably care, and that is why Sebelius keeps bringing it up.
Posted by: R. Stanton Scott at May 11, 2007 11:18 AM (A5YPf)
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If there are equipment shortages then she should tell the democratic Congress to get moving and fund the military.
Next.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at May 11, 2007 11:48 AM (O9Cc8)
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If is true, you'd get the exact same response from the DNC anyway.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 11, 2007 11:57 AM (pGj0D)
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CY: Thanks for the update on this. Kudos for putting it to rest.
Mikey NTH: The reason for the equipment shortages is not lack of funds (though this will become a problem later when we can no longer wait to replace equipment being used up in current conflicts). The Kansas National Guard has little equipment for disaster relief because much of their stuff is deployed elsewhere. We can disagree about whether this is the best use of their gear. But bringing out the "Dems won't fund the troops" strawman doesn't add much to this debate.
And if funding the troops is such a priority, why not ask for the funding in the regular budgetary process? Why wait and ask for "emergency" funding when this is no longer unanticipated cost?
Posted by: R. Stanton Scott at May 12, 2007 07:53 AM (GYgSv)
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Surrendercrats Threaten War Effort, Military Pay
Once again, Congressional Democrats show which side they support in the Iraq War, and it isn't ours:
The Democratic-controlled House voted Thursday night to pay for military operations in Iraq on an installment plan, defying President Bush's threat of a second straight veto in a fierce test of wills over the unpopular war.
The 221-205 vote was largely along party lines and sent the measure to a cool reception in the Senate, where Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., is seeking a compromise with the White House and Republicans.
The bill was passed by House Democrats only as an act of political gamesmanship with our soldiers lives, as they that knew it would likely
die in the Senate.
The continuing failure of anti-victory House Democrats to deliver a viable war funding bill is
already impacting the military:
Delays in getting an emergency supplemental war-funding bill approved are causing disruption within the Defense Department, particularly among programs at home, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said today. The Army has slowed spending in numerous areas to free up money to fully fund wartime costs since President Bush vetoed war-spending legislation because it set a date for the return of combat forces from Iraq, Gates told the Senate Appropriations Committee's defense subcommittee.
The bill included $93.4 billion to help fund U.S. forces in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere in the global war on terror, but stipulated that U.S. combat troops be out of Iraq by Aug. 31, 2008. It also included costs unrelated to the war.
Bush vetoed the bill because he rejects establishing a deadline for troop withdrawals, insisting that such decisions must be based on conditions in the war zone.
Gates told Congress today that delays in getting a spending bill approved are having "a growing impact here at home."
"The Army is already trying to cope with this," he said. Spending in various programs has slowed or stopped altogether, he said. Defense contracts are being withheld; hiring of civilian employees has slowed; and bases have begun resorting to month-to-month service contracts for services and supplies.
The failure of Democrats to fund our military at war has some U.S. Servicemen wondering if their paychecks may stop. It sounds like it's time for an
important action alert:
Is it possible airmen might not get paid due to the rising costs of the war?
That's what many airmen have wanted to know since the Pentagon requested to divert $1.6 billion from the Navy and Air Force personnel accounts to the Army.
The Air Force has sent conflicting answers in the past three weeks. Last month, the Air Force hinted in a statement sent to Stars and Stripes that it was possible such a move could affect airmen’s paychecks.
On Monday, an Air Force spokeswoman said that would "never" happen. A day later, Maj. Morshe Araujo said she made a mistake and such a scenario could happen if the money is not returned.
However, the Air Force is optimistic about the money being restored.
"I misspoke," said Araujo, a public affairs officer in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday. "If the money is not returned or restored, there is a possibility."
Some might argue that servicemembers are underpaid, but it is not believed there has ever been a time in modern history that troops have not paid, especially while the country is at war.
Chet Curtis, director of Policy and Communications for the Air Force Association, said he couldn't recall off the top of his head whether such a thing has ever happened.
The association, an independent nonprofit Air Force advocate group, is calling upon its members to contact the Bush administration and members of Congress and urge them to boost funding for the Air Force.
The association put out an "Action Alert" on its Website under the headline: Air Force Funding Critical.
Although the Air Force is confident Congress will pass a supplemental bill and restore the funding to the personnel accounts, the service said on Tuesday it needs the money to pay their people.
But just remember...
...they support the troops.
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These people drive me crazy! No war is popular, but this war must be fought and won. This is nothing more than political grandstanding. The problem is they are standing on the backs of our soldiers and on American's safety.
Posted by: Mekan at May 11, 2007 09:04 AM (a8Oey)
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I have come to think that when the Dems say that they support the troops...the mean the enemy's troops.
Posted by: David M at May 11, 2007 09:06 AM (6+obf)
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Lex, Lex, RSS any comment? When they are cutting into the personnel side the cuts are REALLY deep. I can feel the pain in the program offices as I sit and type this. Some programs are dead, some are just idling, and some are stalled completely. The frequent salami slice cuts are over, and real meat is being cut everywhere. Contractors are or will be laying off.
But its for the better good. Its that awful President's fault.
Posted by: CoRev at May 11, 2007 09:24 AM (0U8Ob)
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Trackbacked by The Thunder Run - Web Reconnaissance for 05/11/2007
A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention.
Posted by: David M at May 11, 2007 10:20 AM (6+obf)
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I think it is time that the the executive branch consolidate some departments. Department of the EPA...now part of DOD. Department of State...now part of DOD. Just keep the consolidation going until you have enough budget for the military.
Recall all Congressional protections and freebies..ie big a$$ jets for Pelosi.
Posted by: mekan at May 11, 2007 02:56 PM (a8Oey)
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I'm sure the Fifth Column will hit this thread soon. They're not anti-war, they're on the other side.
If they do have to stop paying the troops, I hope they start with bases in Democrat districts... and a training day on the meaning of "enemies foreign and domestic" wouldn't be out of place either.
Posted by: SDN at May 11, 2007 04:31 PM (6yn+d)
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It is important to remember that the funds held up now are an emergency appropriation for the war on terror. If holding up this money causes pain in terms of personnel accounts or equipment shortages, the Administration is as much to blame as the Democrats for not including this money in the regular budgetary process. They know it is not an emergency, but they call it that for political reasons--mostly so they can say that they that the budget is closer to balance than it really is.
It is telling that the Air Force spokeswoman initially said that pay would never be held up, and then changed her tune. I think she had it right the first time--in my 20 years, I saw budget battles several times, usually at the end of fiscal years. Even when the appropriations bills came late, we got paid--that last thing to be cut would be servicemember's paychecks. On that you can rely as a certainty--if this were truly a possiblity, even a Democratic Congress would pass a bill to fund military pay in a NY minute. No politician is stupid enough to go down that road.
This is really just another straw man. If you really believe that Democratic politicians actually support the enemy, hate America, and want us to lose, you belong in the same category as those who think Bush and Cheney planned 9-11 so he could funnel money to Halliburton. Right or wrong, both sides believe they are doing the right thing for the country. As CY has said before, there is little value in name calling and silly accusations--this debate needs substantive discussion based on facts.
I think Congress is trying to execute its duty as the legislative branch, and because Democrats run the place now, that duty is interpreted differently than it was under the GOP. One of its Constitutionally mandated duties is managing the armed forces and declaring war. It wants to use funding to manage the military (in terms of training and deployment length), and perhaps to declare this war over. I think this is the wrong approach--they should just vote on whether to demand an end to the war, and if they lose, they should tell the President that next year he will have to put all military funding in the normal budget process, and deal with it then. If they think training and deployment issues need to be addressed, they should do that separately.
But I would caution those who accuse Democratic politicians of "political grandstanding" or "supporting the enemy troops." These guys are doing this because they believe that the American people want this thing brought to a close. Many polls support this view, and Democrats are reacting to them. They think they have a mandate, and they are trying to execute it. In one sense an "up or down vote" strategy is a politically sound one--it gets GOP reps and Senators on record as voting to continue the war. This would work in some districts, but would probably work agains Republicans in others (such as those that elect GOP reps even as they vote for Dem Presidential candidates).
In the final analysis, we will know soon enough. In about 18 months we will have new elections. Those who believe that Americans support the war, send the message that they will continue it. Those who believe that we are on the wrong track, and need a drastically new strategy (one based on police work and diplomacy, for example) need to make that case. If Americans support the war, we will see new GOP majorities and perhaps a President Giuliani. If not, the Dems will increase their control over Congress and elect a President (hopefully not Hillary).
I am willing to take bets.
Posted by: R. Stanton Scott at May 12, 2007 10:05 AM (GYgSv)
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THESE PHRASES about shooting officers and generals, are taken almost verbatim from "The Internationale", the theme song of Communists and Socialists. They have been singing it for decades, at many many Socialist gatherings and meetings.
HOW COULD anyone be so naive as to call these people 'Liberals' or 'Progressives'? They are so obviously NOT.
AN amazed Canadian.
Pro Patria
More:
http://www.box.net/shared/7dnvimtb5z
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Posted by R. Stanton Scott at May 12, 2007 10:05 AM
I agree that congress will pay the military. I remember when Regan was in, there was one year we only got paid because of a stop-gap measure that was passed by a huge majority while they (Both sides of the isle) fought over the rest of the budget.
I also don't believe the Dems support our enemies, but really do believe they are misguided in how they do what they believe is best for our troops and America in general.
This is our Soverign Nation, we can't allow what happened on 9-11 happen again. We can't be bullied by terrorists or it will never end. The line in the sand has already been drawn, we need to toe the line.
Posted by: Retired Navy at May 14, 2007 05:35 AM (cqZXM)
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Retired Navy: And I think it is the GOP that is misguided about how best to manage our military services and protect the nation. I believe they have drawn the line in the sand in the wrong place, and once they drew it they began to toe it incompetently. The American people seem to agree in growing numbers.
The claim that something must be working because we have not been attacked here since 2001 is nothing more than a talking point. On 9.10.01, the claim that Clinton's anti-terrorism policy must be working, because we had not been attacked for 8 years, seemed a valid one. Not so, as it turned out so tragically.
We can no more completely eliminate the possiblity of future terrorist attacks than we can eliminate the possiblity of future liquor store robberies. Bad people are out there, and they are not going away. We can manage the problem to some degree--minimize the damage when it occurs, and punish actors--but society will always be under attack.
But these attacks are not an existential one. We should not allow terrorists to bully us, but the fact is that our "Sovereign Nation" is not under an existential threat from terrorists any more than capitalism is threatened by petty criminals. No al-Q'aida "Caliphate" is going to conquer the US, and Americans will never be forced to worhsip Allah in mosques against their will. If disagree, you have less faith in our military forces, and the American people at large, than I.
Since we cannot eliminate terrorism completely, and the threat is at any rate not an existential one, we have to address the moral implications of our anti-terrorism policy. We have killed thousands of people in defense of a nation that is not going to die. We torture and kill innocent people because we are afraid to die. Is this morally acceptable because our system is somehow special, or because our lives are somehow more valuable? It is important to remember that every time we bomb a neighborhood to kill terrorists we kill someone's sister or mother. From their perspective, it is often we who are the terrorists.
Thinking of terrorism this way is difficult, and in many ways it boils down to a question of "who started it?" At some point, who struck the first blow becomes less important than asking ourselves some difficult moral questions, and wondering: What would Jesus do?
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May 10, 2007
Governor Blanco Slammed for Tornado Response
Did I say Blanco? I meant Sebelius.
Different Kathleen, same self-serving incompetence.
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Can ya blame her (Gov Kansas) for freakin out...I mean what with TEN THOUSAND DEAD and all???!!! B.O.(Barack Obama) knows the real count of fatalities there, oh yeah, and O.J. is still lookin for the real killa's!!! Once John Edwards is in the White House we will have a re-evaluation of 9-11-01 and tower 7, which Rosie O'Donnell knows was brought down by the CIA or Rush Limbaugh! Allah Be Praised...as we have international help from the Red Chinese and Syria, thanks to the hard work of Dianne Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi!!! Man, I fell better already.
Posted by: JihadGene at May 10, 2007 02:06 PM (l8Hl5)
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How could you expect her to be prepared for such a disaster? Worrying about tornadoes while living in Kansas is like worrying about floods while living under sea level.
Posted by: BohicaTwnentyTwo at May 10, 2007 02:17 PM (oC8nQ)
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It must have been the reports of cannibalism that drove her over the edge.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 10, 2007 02:42 PM (pGj0D)
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No no no, it was the lack of looting and baby raping that was the final straw.
Those crazy Kansasganders.
Posted by: markm at May 11, 2007 06:15 AM (hVOTO)
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Sebelius is a tool and a fool. When Hurricane Katrina devastated the Mississippi Gulf Coast, 45% of our National Guard were in Iraq. Due to Governor Barbour and the National Guard, the rescue and recovery response was awesome. There were Hummers on every major street corner days after Katrina hit. The heavy equipment of the National Guard and military installations were being used to clear debris to facilitate getting through impassable roads.
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Will the Democrats Fold on War Funding?
The always excitable liberal John Aravosis thinks they might:
It's time to replace some conservative Democrats in Washington, DC. I just heard from an impeccable source that there is serious concern on the Hill that conservative Democrats in the House will vote with the Republicans to strip any and all restrictions from the Iraq supplemental tomorrow, effectively giving Bush all the money he wants with no restrictions and no effort to hold either him or the Iraq government accountable for anything. I.e., they will vote to continue this war along the same disastrous course because they're too afraid to challenge George Bush and his failed leadership.
Let me reiterate: This isn't some idle rumor. The concerns are coming from Hill sources themselves.
I'd point out that Aravosis is hardly a reliable source, so take his hysterics for what they are worth until you see an actual bill passed.
(H/T
Instapundit, who notes that without the very conservative Democrats that Aravosis wants deposed, Democrats would still be the minority party.)
Update: Washington
Post reporters seem to think Aravosis' hysterics may be
off the mark, at least in the House:
ouse Democrats declared yesterday that they will vote on an Iraq spending bill that could cut funding for the war as early as July, defying a threat from President Bush that he would veto the proposal.
Even Senate Democrats called the House proposal, scheduled for a vote today, unrealistic. Senate leaders met with White House officials yesterday to try to find a bipartisan option to fund the war through the summer. But there appeared to be little progress in those negotiations, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned lawmakers that the debate is beginning to delay Pentagon operations.
The one area of agreement seemed to be that U.S. officials want the Iraqi government to better contain violence there. Vice President Dick Cheney made an unannounced trip to Baghdad yesterday to meet with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and other officials. He urged them to help end fighting between rival Sunni and Shiite factions, to make progress on revising their constitution and to better manage their oil revenue.
The House proposal would extend war spending through July, rather than September as Bush has requested. White House spokesman Tony Snow said the president would veto the bill because of its spending restrictions.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat from California, said: "Our bill will fully fund the troops, honor our commitment to our veterans, hold the Iraqi government accountable and end the war."
Pelosi's pronouncement is of course delusional, as Gates states in the same article that the Democratic refusal to issue a viable bill is already beginning to delay military operations, possibly including the purchase of
Mine Resistant, Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles:
The armored carrier has a grim black slash across its side, burn marks on the door and a web of cracks along the window.
Like most of the Mine Resistant, Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles in Anbar province, this one has been hit as many as three times by enemy fire and bomb blasts. Yet, to date, no American troops have died while riding in one.
But efforts to buy thousands more carriers — each costing about $1 million — could be delayed if the White House and Congress do not resolve their deadlock over a $124.2 billion war spending bill.
About $3 billion for the vehicles is tied up in the legislation. The spending plan has stalled because of a dispute over provisions that would set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.
At a hearing last month, lawmakers urged the Army to get more of the carriers to the battlefront as quickly as possible. The vehicles, with their unique V-shaped hull that deflects blasts outward and away from passengers, are considered lifesavers against the No. 1 killer in Iraq — roadside bombs.
Military leaders say the carriers have reduced roadside bomb casualties in Iraq by as much as two-thirds.
Milblogger "Teflon Don," who drives an MRAP, says of the vehicles in a recent
frontline post:
The operations officer for the cavalry's parent unit came by and mentioned that troops pushing south towards us had hit multiple IEDs, and lost men, but "there wasn't much to be done, because they don't have route clearance". I wished for the hundredth time that there were more of us.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi claims she wants to, "honor our commitment to our veterans," but as past and former doomed House bill show, all she is actually accomplishing is making sure that our soldiers and Marines don't have the equipment they need, and as a result, more American soldiers are dying.
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Halfway down the road to hell,In a shady meadow green,Are the souls of all dead troopers campedNear a good old-time canteen.And this eternal resting placeIs known as Fiddler’s Green.-Author Unknown (via Sgt Hook)
And there shall our warriors rejoice at the sight as the Dhimmicrats parade by in chains on the way to their eternal reward.
I added a link to my 2007.05.10 Dem Perfidy // Islamism Delenda Est Roundup
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They keep telling us we're not at war with Iran:
U.S.-led forces conducted a raid in the Baghdad neighborhood of Sadr City early Thursday, killing three militants as they tried to break up a cell accused of smuggling weapons from Iran to fight U.S. forces, the military said.
The raid was part of the military's 12-week-old Baghdad security plan, meant to tackle the Sunni-led insurgents and Shiite militias and bring order to the violence-wracked Iraqi capital.
Just after midnight, a joint U.S.-Iraqi force on a raid in the southern part of the Shiite slum of Sadr City, came under fire from two buildings, the military said in a statement. After a gunbattle, the soldiers called in an airstrike that killed three armed insurgents, it said.
The force was searching for a cell suspected of smuggling weapons, including the devastating explosively formed penetrators, from Iran, the military said. The group was also accused of sending militants to Iran for training, the military said. The force detained four of the suspected militants during the raid, the military said.
This on-going Iranian involvement in Iraq
should force Americans, particularly Congressional Democrats and
waffling Republicans, to consider what will happen if American forces precipitously withdraw from Iraq. Iran, accused of training thousands of Shia insurgents and
supplying weapons to both Shia and Sunni insurgents, is posing to fill the vacuum left by an American withdrawal.
If Democrats are successful in their neo-
copperhead attempts to force an American withdrawal, many experts and
long-time journalists expect that the Iranian attempts to take over Iraq by proxy may result in genocide and a clear PR victory for al Qaeda. Others rightly fear that such a threat will draw Saudi Arabia into a regional war based in Iraq, where Shias funded, trained, and equipped by Iran, will square off against Iraqi Sunnis trained, funded, and equipped by Saudi Arabia.
If the proxy war is contained to Iraq, the overwhelming numerical superiority of Shias in Iraq may very well lead to a either a mass exodus of Sunnis, or a mass genocide dwarfing the civilian casualties of the Iraq War thus far. The failed state would presumably fall under Iranian control from Baghdad south.
If the war is not contained to Iraq, and open hostilities break out between Iran and Saudi Arabia and other Sunni Gulf States such as Kuwait, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates, we could very well see a more expanded, more violent version of the 1984-87
Tanker War. In that conflict, which resulted from the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq War, Iran and Iraq began targeting merchant shipping in an attempt to cut off each other's oil exports. Seventy-one merchant ships, including oil tankers, were attacked in 1984 alone, forcing Lloyds of London to increase insurance rates on tankers and leading to a twenty-five percent reduction in Gulf shipping. Since the 1980s, advances in military missile technology has made it possible for all sides potentially involved in a regional war to unilaterally stop all Persian Gulf shipping. The result of such a stoppage would threaten global oil supplies, and the economic and national security of many nations.
This is at a minimum. It could get much worse.
A U.S. pullout in 2008 could potentially lead to an economically-necessitated re-invasion of Iraq and a direct conflict with Iran within the next five years.
While Iran's naval and air force assets could be theoretically be reduced with minimal U.S. losses, a scenario predicted by DOD strategic planning contractor
VII, Inc. called "Yalu II," in a January 2006 document called "Iranian President-Islamic Eschatology: Near Term Implications," posits that the Iranian military may respond to their air and naval shortcomings by sending up to 350,000 conventional Army forces, supplemented by roughly 1,800 tanks and 2,300 towed and self-propelled artillery pieces, across southern Iraq. This scenario was presented by VII before threats of a wider regional war were being discussed. I would add to VII's assessment that Iran may do more than invade southern Iraq, and may opt to attack Saudi Arabia though Kuwait, threatening, at least on paper, King Khalid Military City, the Saudi Persian Gulf city of Jubail and the Saudi military bases concentrated around Jubail, and the Saudi Capital of Riyahd itself.
Ultimately, such a direct assault on Saudi Arabia would probably lead to an Iranian defeat as their supply lines would be very vulnerable to Saudi Arabian and allied air superiority, but by then, Iran would have either captured or destroyed Iraqi and Kuwaiti oil terminals and wells. Were this scenario to play out, this would mean that Iran would control or would have destroyed 32% of Gulf oil production, based upon
2003 estimates.
This sequence of events is of course speculative.
Iran may very well be content to use their Shia militia allies to overthrow Iraq internally, and confine themselves to isolating Iraqi Sunnis and Kurds instead of eliminating them wholesale. They would then control roughly 20% of Persian Gulf oil exports directly, while still being able to threaten the 90% of Persian Gulf oil exported by supertanker through the Straits of Hormuz as they continue down the path of developing nuclear weapons.
What is the best way to head off either scenario?
The answer is obvious: keep Coalition forces engaged in Iraq targeting Sunni and Shia extremist cells like the one American soldiers attacked today. Force the Iraq government into making progress on unresolved issues, and perhaps consider replacing Prime Minster Maliki if he fails to make progress, by supporting other candidates for the position. Keep engaging Sunni and Shia moderates, while building up Iraqi police and Army forces. While internal Iraqi groups are relying on external forces to build their powerbases, America should continue to support that national cultural, political, and security needs of Iraq. Continue the COIN strategy to
root out insurgents and develop regional and national Iraqi unity. Continue to support insurgent movements in Iran to destabilize the mullacracy.
It should be blindingly obvious to all sides concerned that a failure to resolve the political and security needs of Iraq
now will only necessitate a later, perhaps larger
and longer military reentry into the region, after what many predict will be a large and unnecessary loss of civilian lives.
After four years of muddled strategies, real progress is being made in Iraq. Al Anbar, long the home of the Sunni insurgency and al Qaeda's launching ground, has turned against al Qaeda and is joining the political process, developments that have been reported on scarcely in the western media. A similar movement is
now emerging in Diyala Province, as Iraqis target, hunt and kill al Qaeda terrorists and the insurgents of the Islamic State of Iraq.
You will have a very hard time discovering this through the traditional media, however, as they tend to underestimate the importance of such tectonic cultural shifts which are very hard to translate into a press dominated by "if it bleeds, it leads" philosophy.
The groups primarily active in an opposition to the "surge" of American troops are al Qaeda and their allies in the Islamic State of Iraq, who are staging their own counter-surge, aimed as much at western media as the Iraqi people.
If you note news accounts of the last several months as the surge began, the types of attacks in Iraq shifted.
Sectarian attacks have dropped substantially, as al Qaeda and the ISI have shift to an intensified pattern of often randomized car and truck bombings meant to capture media attention and draw away from the fact that their internal support within Iraq is faltering. The goal of their media campaign is transparent; make it appear that the situation on the ground in Iraq is unchanged or becoming worse, thereby increasing American resistance to remaining in Iraq, even as their own base of support falters and threatens outright collapse.
Indeed, the U.S. military and astute observers predicted this, and so they expect an increase in spectacular media-generating attacks on civilians and Coalition military and police casualties as these forces more forcefully project themselves into areas and increase pressure on anti-government forces.
If you listen to our men in the field—not the Washington politicians who say they will
refuse to believe signs of progress, or
lie about what they have heard—you will hear many opinions, but the one most common is that they see
a real difference in Iraq since the implementation of the COIN strategy. They are even
petitioning Congress for courage, and not to give up, even when it is their lives on the line.
We're going to have to finish this war. The only question is whether Democrats lead the cut-and-run now and give al Qaeda and Iran a clear victory setting up a potential genocide, or whether or not we continue the successes now being seen in al Anbar, Baghdad, and Diyala.
The later approach will save for more Iraqi and American lives in the long run. I hope we have strong enough leadership that we only have to fight this war once, but with Democrats still
attempting to surrender to al Qaeda and other Islamofascists, and the far left
increasingly in bed with Islamofascists, I fear all we may accomplish is a brief, bloody intermission before we refight this war on a larger, bloodier scale.
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Neo-copperheads. A very good insight. Thanks for the color.
Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at May 10, 2007 10:33 AM (Cy7OH)
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Iran won in 2003. If we don't suppress the Iraq civil war, the Shia win and Iraq becomes a natural ally with Iran. On the other hand the occupation of Iraq is bleeding us dry. The same goes for Al Qaeda. If we leave, Al Qaeda will declare victory. If we stay, Al Qaeda will continue to pick our soldiers off and to be flooded with recruits and to have a terrorist training grounds.
The Dems were patient with Iraq, giving Bush every single thing he asked for in a war his administration said would be a cakewalk, where we would be greeted as liberators. Only after four years, 3,300 troops, and a half trillion dollars are they getting tough.
There's no way for our troops there to win. We can somewhat suppress the civil war, but what more? Promote democracy? I don't even hear you guys talking about that any more. Very likely they'll end up with a Shiite theocracy one way or the other. Now I guess the best you are hoping for is to bring the violence down to some tolerable threshold. What then? What we have now is Operation Bush Passes the Buck.
In poll after poll the Iraqis say they want us to leave. A majority of Iraq's parliament just voted in favor of requesting the US to set a timetable for withdrawal. We our asking our soldiers to die in a conflict where they are not even wanted.
Posted by: Lex Steele at May 10, 2007 10:34 AM (6LXo4)
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"Al Anbar, long the home of the Sunni insurgency and al Qaeda's launching ground, has turned against al Qaeda and is joining the political process, developments that have been reported on scarcely in the western media."
They always hated Al-Q, they just thought that they were useful (enemy of my enemy and all that). If left to their own devices they were always going to slaughter Al-Q.
Do not for a second imagine that this means that they are not also going to continue to attack US forces, or that they are going to sit quietly while the Shiite government splits the country up and enforces the constitution of Iraq that was so clearly rejected by the Sunnis.
"ranian attempts to take over Iraq by proxy may result in genocide and a clear PR victory for al Qaeda. Others rightly fear that such a threat will draw Saudi Arabia into a regional war based in Iraq, where Shias funded, trained, and equipped by Iran, will square off against Iraqi Sunnis trained, funded, and equipped by Saudi Arabia."
I know it is worthless to say at this point, as we are where we are, but can you now at least understand where many of us who opposed this thing from the start were coming from?
We didn't love Saddam, we could just see this sort of stuff happening as a result of the invasion. The only way to avoid a permanent US presence in Iraq with a permanent insurgency or a regional war was to not invade Iraq.
Posted by: Rafar at May 10, 2007 11:04 AM (kkgmI)
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Promote democracy? I don't even hear you guys talking about that any more.
Maybe because its a done deal? A constitution and several rounds of elections appear on the surface to be the trappings of democracy.
In fact, they seem to have accomplished that faster than the USA did.
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PA: Maybe because its a done deal?
Horse cobblers. You may be the only person on earth who believes that Iraq is a democracy. Saddam held elections. England doesn't have a constitution. Neither elections nor a constitution prove anything.
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John Edwards: Working the Nutroots
John Edwards: Personal friend of the paint-chip-eating stepchild of that "other America" known as Truthers.
As Ace
notes:
The Democrats' position on physical reality, it seems, is increasingly nuanced.
In Edwards defense, he didn't seem to have a clue what the Truther was referring to, and perhaps we can all rest easy knowing that a Democratic Presidential candidate and former U.S. senator is ignorant about the largest terrorist attack in U.S. history.
Somehow, that isn't making me feel any better.
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So? I didn't know what the questioner was talking about either. And as for Edwards, if he had any less substance as a candidate, they'd have to paint him a shadow.
Posted by: Zhombre at May 09, 2007 09:12 PM (0RHHC)
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Will he look into:
UFO's
JFK assasination
Bobby Kenedy assasination
Illuminati
The vast right wing conspiracy
Etc.
Etc.
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Can not following a bizarre conspiracy theory about the largest terror attack in U.S. history accurately be called being "ignorant" of the attack?
On the one hand, the sentiment here is, "Those freakin' Truthers are freakin' nuts!" Which, let's face it, they generally seem to be. On the other hand, you're saying, "It's an indicator of his asshattery that he's not conversant with the Truther perspective on things."
Isn't being focused on reality rather than lunacy a good thing?
I'll recycle Mekan's list, but with a different purpose. Are you going to condemn candidates for their ignorance if they don't know the ins and outs of
UFO's
JFK assasination
Bobby Kenedy assasination
Illuminati
The vast right wing conspiracy
Etc.
Etc.?
By all means, condemn idiocy, but don't also condemn people when they don't follow idiocy themselves.
Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 09, 2007 10:25 PM (EdJ5a)
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Doc,
Your point is well taken, and I agree.
My feeling, just mine, is that if polls show that 30-40% of the Democrats believe in some portion of the Truther's views on 9/11, shouldn't Senator Edwards be familiar with the question?
Posted by: mekan at May 10, 2007 05:30 AM (a8Oey)
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These "truthers" should be locked up in mental institutions. Most of them think the WTC 1 and 2 were brought down by planes but WTC 7 was brought down by explosives. I dont its far fetched at all that if two of the biggest buildings in the world come crashing down in a fiery mess, a smaller building next door, also on fire, might also collapse. These people need to get a grip on reality.
Posted by: Justin at May 10, 2007 07:20 AM (NiTuu)
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shouldn't Senator Edwards be familiar with the question?
If you're going to pander to them, yes.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 10, 2007 07:53 AM (pGj0D)
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This should be just the type of theory that Edwards would approve of. If you look at how he made his millions with his fabricated malpractice assertions, their is only a small step forward to endorsing the theories of the Truthers.
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Insurgent Rocket Misses Cheney in Iraq; Democratic Forum Irate
A rocket attack on the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad depressed one of the largest online Democratic communities today, when members of the Democratic Underground discovered that Vice President Dick Cheney survived the attack:
According to Wikipedia, the Democratic Underground
claims more than 101,000 registered users, and the online community has been
investigated by the Secret Service for past threats.
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Preemptively, I won't question their patriotism.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 09, 2007 05:16 PM (pGj0D)
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Preemptively, I won't compare them to LGF.
Posted by: Frederick at May 09, 2007 06:19 PM (6MrxL)
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And conservatives wished nothing but the best for Clinton's well-being during his administration. Of that I'm absoutely sure.
Posted by: Arbotreeist at May 09, 2007 07:24 PM (N8M1W)
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I never wished Clinton dead.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 10, 2007 06:25 AM (pGj0D)
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I would say that the left has a pretty significant monopoly on vitriolic hate in America today
Conservatives get angry, but they tend not to wish death upon public leaders
Sure there are some fringers in the pro-life movement who want to bomb abortion clinics, but Im pretty sure they dont have a website with over 100k members
But dont forget- liberals love humanity!
Well, except for the ones they disagree with.
Posted by: TMF at May 10, 2007 07:18 AM (+BgNZ)
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Kindly direct me to a single death wish at LGF against a Democrat.
Oh, there arent any?
Distortion, lies, propaganda, vacuous and false moral "equivalence"
Same as it ever was on the left.
Posted by: TMF at May 10, 2007 07:22 AM (+BgNZ)
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Im pretty sure 30% of America didnt wish Clinton dead.
If GWB walked down a street in San Francisco with no Secret Service, he would be dead in 20 minutes. Then I could see a bunch of his killers standing over his body shooting their AK47's into the air, shouting "atheism is great!" and "death to the non-infidels!".
I pray im wrong, I hope that stuff wouldnt happen, but I surely wouldn't be surprised.
Posted by: Justin at May 10, 2007 07:29 AM (NiTuu)
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Liberals love America the same way O.J. Simpson loved Nicole.
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If you use bloglines and have the ABC News International feed, you might have seen something like this today:
It you actually clicked the link, however, you'd end up
here.
Do you have questions about situation in Darfur? Send your questions and see them answered next week on our 24-hour news network, ABC News Now.
Screen Cap:
I've got a question, Terry: Why can't ABC News tell the difference between Darfur and Iraq?
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the difference is that we need to surrender in Iraq so we can send troops into Darfur, the "good" kind of international intervention
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A Little Early This Year: CY's Hurricane Survival Guide
I'd not planned on reposting this for several more weeks, but Andrea has other ideas.
WARNING: This is not comprehensive hurricane survival guide. I've only been through a few, and hardly consider myself an expert. Anyone who claims to be able to tell you everything you need to do to survive in every situation is lying. Adjust the following accordingly to your circumstances, but remember the only way to beat a hurricane is to not be there when it arrives.
Before the Storm: General
- Listen to the radio, watch television news, or read online news sources to keep abreast of developing tropical systems. Keep close track of storms that may head in your general direction. Don't be caught flat-footed.
- Know the hurricane evacuation routes for your area. By a state map or better yet, an atlas that can provide you with parallel routes away from an impending storm.
- Make sure any vital medical prescriptions are filled in advance of an impending storm.
- Make hotel reservations further inland several days in advance "just in case." Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
Before the Storm: Around the House
- Secure any lightweight objects outside the home. Bikes, toys, plants and other outdoor items can be carried away by wind and water, often at unpleasant velocities.
- Board up your windows if possible, or tape them with duct tape in an asterisk pattern (*) if that is your only option. This serves to reinforce the glass, and in the event of a window shattering, may keep the shattered glass together so that it falls to the floor instead of spraying.
Before the Storm: Transportation
- Fill your gas tank several days in advance, and keep it topped off.
- Check your vehicle's fluids, and belts, making sure to top off your windshield washer fluid and coolants.
- Make sure your tires are in good shape, and make sure your spare tire is inflated.
- Make sure your tires have adequate tread. See manufacturers guidelines.
- Leave when storm impact seems imminent. Do not wait for the official evacuation order if you can leave earlier.
Before the Storm: Personal
- Create a "bug-out bag."
This is an emergency evacuation bag of bare essentials you make need in an emergency. In this bag (preferably a backpack) include:- a small battery-operated AM/FM radio, and fresh batteries for same.
- two waterproof flashlights and/or battery operated lanterns with fresh batteries for same.
- cell phone (and charger).
- disposable lighter and waterproof matches.
- personal toiletries including toothbrush, toothpaste, deodorant, hand sanitizer, and other personal hygiene products as applicable.
- a first aid kit with painkillers, bandages and band aids.
- duct tape (min. 2 rolls)
- sturdy pocket knife
- hammer & prybar
- box of 8D nails
- blankets (multiple)
- clothes
- socks
- raingear
- study boots
- general-purpose leather gloves
- enough non-perishable, ready-to-eat food and water (1 gallon per person per day) for three days.
- last but not least, all insurance information, property, vehicle, life, and medical.
- create a contacts list. Include a I.C.E. "in case of emergency" number.
- put an I.C.E. notification with your ID and store it in your cell phone.
Before the Storm: Evacuation
- pack bug-out bag, and supplies including food and water into vehicle.
- make one last check to make sure outdoor items are secured.
- cut off all electrical switches, appliances, televisions, lights, etc.
- before you leave, contact your I.C.E. person and let them know where you are going and when you expect to arrive.
- make sure all windows are closed tightly and locked.
- lock all doors.
- leave.
- anticipate high winds and driving rain. Stay calm, drive cautiously. Allow plenty of time to arrive at your destination. Beware of standing water.
- Call your I.C.E. contact when you arrive safely.
During the Storm
Moving away from the hurricane will most likely reduce the effects of a hurricane, but it cannot eliminate risks entirely, even hundred of miles inland.
- Duct tape windows in asterisk or "star" pattern (*). stay away from windows. draw blinds and curtains, if possible, to contain glass in the event of a window breaking.
- stay inside, away from windows and doors especially during the eye of the storm. Winds restart again quickly with extreme velocities as the eyes passes and the wind shifts 180 degrees.
- stay near interior walls. If the winds are very strong move into an interior bathroom where the building is likely to be strongest.
- do not leave unless flooding is imminent or you are instructed to do so by authorities.
After the Storm
- stay off the road and away from affected areas until authorities clear the area for your return.
- watch for downed power lines and other debris in roads.
- be very careful of standing pools of water and especially flowing water. It is ofnte deeper and more powerful than it appears.
- watch for displaced wildlife. poisonous snakes, fireants, and abandoned pets. all can present hazards.
- watch for dangerous debris.
- lookout for injured people and animals. Call authorities if possible.
- do not become a tourist. go home, and stay home.
- secure your property. take stock of any damage. Catalog damage for insurance purposes.
Again, this list is hardly comprehensive, and cannot anticipate special needs or unexpected situations. It is however, a start, and can help you get ready for the 2007 storm season.
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If they live in NO you might suggest they learn how to swim.
Posted by: David Caskey at May 09, 2007 11:10 AM (G5i3t)
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I'd recommend turning off the natural gas and also having a fire extinguisher handy. But as for your bug-out bag, do you really expect someone to be able to carry all that? That list is for a tornado shelter-style environment. It's good stuff, but way too much for someone who's going to be on the move.
Posted by: Granddaddy Long Legs at May 09, 2007 11:17 AM (klw4o)
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You might also move someplace with better weather.... I am so glad I'm an Oregonian (despite our venal politicians).
Posted by: Jeff at May 09, 2007 11:23 AM (yiMNP)
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If they have a Democrat controlled government hostile to President Bush, shouldn't they just leave now?
Posted by: SouthernRoots at May 09, 2007 11:31 AM (EsOdX)
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Its funny their giving Bush crap about his 17-1976 gaffe. At least he realized it in the middle of saying it and turned it into a joke. Im sure O-holier-than-thou-bama's huge mistake will just prove that he is an even smarter than they think.
BTW complaining there is no Nat. Guard for the cleanup is ridiculous. The NG is a Military organization. There job to fight bad guys not clean up natural disasters. We are at war people, get a grip!
Posted by: Justin at May 09, 2007 01:52 PM (NiTuu)
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Very nice work, add prescription drug info, and have a plan for your pets, don't just watch out for abandoned pets.
Have a pet carrier that you can move your pet safely.
Posted by: NortonPete at May 09, 2007 04:17 PM (fVuwW)
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A quick way to safeguard pool furniture is to throw it all into the pool. I'm serious. We did it all the time when we lived there.
Posted by: Bill Smith at May 09, 2007 05:28 PM (kWfb4)
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Obama Wasn't Wrong
He was just using a Lancet estimate.
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10 or 10,000, what's the difference? In galactic terms, they're both almost the same thing right?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 09, 2007 10:28 AM (pGj0D)
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Obama needs to come to my class and learn how to count.
Posted by: Leggs at May 09, 2007 11:32 AM (BC0H0)
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I want to know how Chimpy McHitlerburton has covered up these deaths!
Posted by: Tony B at May 09, 2007 12:34 PM (ELxvG)
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Obamanation, home of the Whopper. I quoted you.
Posted by: Bill Faith at May 09, 2007 12:45 PM (n7SaI)
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Wow, so this means the tornado killed everyome in Greensburg five times?
Why let the facts get in the way of a good Bush bash?
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A Little Competence Would Be Nice
It should probably come as no small wonder that the majority of the American people are against the War in Iraq; getting faulty misleading or inaccurate or even purposefully biased information does that.
Time and
again and
again, our soldiers and Marines tell us that the war they are fighting in Iraq is not the one being reported in the professional media.
Karin Brulliard's article in today's Washington
Post is a prime example, starting with the headline, "
Bombs Kill 20 in Sunni Insurgent Stronghold."
It may come as a bit of a shock to both Brulliard and her WaPo editors, but Ramadi has not been an insurgent "stronghold" by any practical definition for months.
Newly commissioned Iraqi police, tribal militias and Sunni and Shia Army units have been consistently rolling back al Qaeda and aligned insurgents in Ramadi since the founding of the Anbar Salvation Council last year.
The bulk of al Qaeda and its supporters have fled Ramadi, have no bases and control no large swathes of territory, and take to the streets openly at the great risk of being shot by either local citizens, Iraqi Police, Iraqi Army soldiers, American Army soldiers, or Marines. Just a tip to the Washington
Post: if they don't control the ground, you can't call it a stronghold.
Even beyond the headline, Brulliard and the
Post show an ignorance that is hard to ignore:
Iraqi army Lt. Col. Thamir Ahmed blamed the attacks on the Sunni insurgent group al-Qaeda in Iraq. He said the body of one of the bombers was found by authorities 300 yards from the car he detonated, still strapped in the driver's seat.
Perhaps in a Harry Turtledove alternative history novel al Qaeda could be considered a "Sunni insurgent group" in Iraq, but not in this world.
al Qaeda was, is, and remains an international terrorist group, and is composed mostly of foreign fighters, even in Iraq. The dead suicide bomber, like
up to 90% of suicide bombers before him, was likely a foreign-born, non-Iraqi terrorist crossing into Iraq from Syria.
It makes it difficult for consumers of the Washington
Post and other news organizations to make informed decisions about the war when the reporters themselves miss crucial distinctions, misreport facts, and mischaracterize the events and actors of the conflict. I could perhaps understand misstating the nature or character of one of the groups acting in this conflict early in the war, but as the conflict has been on-going since 2003, the media has very little excuse for these kinds of inaccuracies.
A little competence would be nice.
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I have never once been polled regardless of type. Can we have a show of hands here? Have you been polled? How many times have you been polled? How long ago were you polled?
Posted by: Mekan at May 09, 2007 11:32 AM (hm8tW)
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We could capture and kill every Al Qaeda member in Iraq and the war would still be rage on. We would still be stuck there trying to suppress the civil war. On top of that, we'd still need to build the democracy, a feat which is unprecedented in such a situation.
A little competence would be nice.
The architects of this war have shown incompetence in spades. Cakewalk, Mission Accomplished, the WMD are NW of Tikrit, yellowcake, last throes, Downing Street, and Shinseki are just a few of myriad examples.
Posted by: Lex Steele at May 09, 2007 11:36 AM (GSb30)
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Trackbacked by The Thunder Run - Web Reconnaissance for 05/09/2007
A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention.
Posted by: David M at May 09, 2007 11:42 AM (6+obf)
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The architects of this war have shown incompetence in spades. Cakewalk, Mission Accomplished, the WMD are NW of Tikrit, yellowcake, last throes, Downing Street, and Shinseki are just a few of myriad examples.
Wow. With so much to choose from that actually was done wrong, you managed to botch most of what you listed.
The actual ground war against Saddam's military was a "cakewalk," one of the most lopsided military victories in world history. Some experts were expecting 20,000 American combat deaths in taking Baghdad alone. We'll have to be in Iraq another two decades to get close to that number.
The "Mission Accomplished" banner on the ship was for that ship's mission, which was complete. If you actually read Bush's speach delivered that day, he said just the opposite. Once again, we find a liberal talking point based upon an outright lie.
Not sure where you pulled that WMD reference, so I can't easily rebut it. Please provide context, or better yet, a link.
The yellowcake claims have been proven true; Saddam was searching various countries in Africa for it. Once again, another liberal lie.
"Last throws?" Yep, that's a fair cop.
Downing Street, however, was a rumor, based on a rumor, based on a rumor that turned out to contradict itself. It was, when you get right down to it, faulty liberal intelligence, and also untrue.
Shinseki was a general, nothing more, nothing less, and he is no moe capble than generals who came to other conclusions, and arguably less competent than some.
If you really want to hit where the war went wrong, hit the disbanding of the Iraqi Army, the ouster of the Baathists, the multiple and on-going failures of the State Dept., and a pathetic lack of planning regarding the occupation an rebuilding plans.
Their are much better failure points to discuss than can be found in the conspriacy theoryland called the Democratic Underground.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 09, 2007 12:06 PM (9y6qg)
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I added an excerpt and link to my 2007.05.09 Dem Perfidy // Islamism Delenda Est Roundup
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Cmon CY, you know they dont care what really went wrong. They would just rather spew forth their KOS talking points drivel without actually looking at reality.
Posted by: Justin at May 09, 2007 01:44 PM (NiTuu)
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I understand your point about 'cakewalk', but I find it disingenuous. It's equally true for me to say "It's a cakewalk to pull the pin out of this grenade," but in saying so I neglect the larger question of what to do with the grenade once the pin is pulled.
My interpretation of the Mission Accomplished event leaves no doubt that Bush was saying the mission in Iraq was complete. He expected to be greeted as a liberator, after all, so he had no idea what was forthcoming.
"We know where they [WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
--Donald Rumsfeld, ABC News interview
The yellowcake claims have been proven true; Saddam was searching various countries in Africa for it. Once again, another liberal lie.
Not true! The Niger documents upon which this was based were thoroughly debunked. Bush apologized for the infamous 16 words in his SOTU address, so apparently he disagrees with your conclusion.
There has been no debate about the authenticity of the Downing Street Memo, which stated in part, "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." That's as plain as the nose on your face.
Shinseki was a general, nothing more, nothing less, and he is no moe capble than generals who came to other conclusions, and arguably less competent than some.
He said we'd need what, 250,000 troops for Iraq (I don't recall the figure) and was fired for it. In fact he was correct, so ignoring and firing him is evidence of incompetence.
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There has been no debate about the authenticity of the Downing Street Memo
That's cuz its phony as a $3 bill.
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Not Dearlove, not M5, not Bush, nobody denied it's authenticity, PA.
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Strict British Gun Laws Fail to Save English Officer
An officer tentatively identified as Pc Richard Gray was killed by a gunman who turned the weapon on himself:
The armed response unit officer has been widely named as Pc Richard Gray.
The gunman is said to have killed himself following Sunday's shooting in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, which was reported to have come after a row.
West Mercia chief Paul West said the PC's family was "understandably devastated". He was reportedly praised recently after tackling a gunman.
As noted above, the dead officer was recently praised for tackling
another suspect armed with a semi-automatic pistol.
It has been said thousands of times, but bears repeating: criminals that ignore other laws will also ignore firearm laws. The end result is that only law-abiding citizens will be disarmed.
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Four More Arrested in 7/7 London Bombing Plot
Via CNN:
British police arrested the wife of one of the July 7, 2005 suicide bombers as well as three other suspects in early morning terror-related raids Wednesday.
While the identities of the suspects have yet to be officially released, sources told CNN the woman being held is 29-year-old Hasina Patel, the widow of Mohammad Sidique Khan, one of the 7/7 suicide bombers.
Patel and two men aged of 30 and 34 were arrested by officers from the Metropolitan Police Service Counter Terrorism Command in the West Yorkshire, England area. A fourth man, 22, was arrested in West Midlands.
A statement from Scotland Yard said, the four were arrested under the country's terrorism laws "on suspicion of the commission, preparation, or instigation of acts of terrorism."
The arrests were made in a "pre-planned, intelligence-led operation," the statement said, as part of an ongoing investigation into the July 7 attacks on London's transportation system that killed 52 people and injured 700.
The arrests are part of an on-going investigation to help roll-up the support network that enabled four suicide bombers to carry out the series of attacks that occured almost to years ago, and more arrests are possible.
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The Iranian Minefield
A Pajamas Media exclusive:
Maj. Martin Weber, an explosives expert, is trying to walk through a political mine field with me.
As with an ordinary mine field, you have to be very careful where you put your emphasis. Stress the wrong truth and either the left or the right wants to blow you up.
Here at Camp Victory, a sprawling concrete and razor wire American base that wraps around Baghdad International Airport, Maj. Weber was trying to explain how to negotiate that mine field. On the one side he wanted me to know me that the captured weapons on the table before us were — definitely, no doubt about it, absolutely — from Iran. On the other hand, he avoided drawing the obvious conclusion that Iran is supplying America’s enemies inside Iraq.
That simple and obvious conclusion would anger the Democratic leadership in Congress, much of the press corp, and a large swarth of the antiwar set.
Bear this is mind, when you watch this exclusive Pajamas Media video shot in Iraq. The video offers startling new evidence of Iran’s involvement in the insurgency. It is the first up-close, online video showing captured Iranian weapons. These particular weapons have not been shown to the public before.
There is video of the interview at the link.
As a side note, I've been attempting to follow-up on the capture of
over 12% of Iran's HS50 precision sniper rifle procurement in Iraq first reported in mid-February, without any response thus far from MNF-I PAO.
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Contrary to the stated beliefs of many Right-leaning posters I've dealt with, I sincerely want to be able to trust that my government is doing the right thing; they are, after all, going to do something in my name, and it's always best if it is the right thing.
But, geez, I find it almost impossible to believe the Iran connection. There was so much "Yes, we're sure"-ing and "slam dunk"-ing and so on, only to find out that it was, to a large extent, hooey. "We really thought we were right," the Administration says, "and look: the Democrats believed us!" But they seem to think they're right now, too. Let's set aside malicious conspiracy theories for now. Is it just bad intelligence again? Is it going to turn into another "Oopsies!" moment? Will we find ourselves in another, "Well, we've started now, so we can't stop, even if we were wrong" situation?
It seems that the Republicans might have painted the Democrats into a corner on Iran--just not the corner they like. If a Democrat now approves force against Iran and it turns out that this was another mistake--even an honest one--then the Right will once again be on the attack with, "Well, you were for it before you were against it, ya damned flipflopper!" It might be easier for Democrats not to go with evidence, however strong it might seem to be. It seemed strong last time, too.
Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 08, 2007 01:31 PM (nrafD)
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I find it almost impossible to believe the Iran connection.
Keeping one's head in the sand will do that.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 08, 2007 03:29 PM (n2qMj)
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I take your point, Avenger: it's easy not to believe if you choose not to look at the evidence. Why, though, should people take this evidence seriously when last time turned out wrong in major respects?
That's not a rhetorical question. If anyone has some kind of compelling argument why the case against Iran is definitely right, whereas the intelligence on Iraq got so screwed up, I'll listen with my mind as open as I can pry it.
Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 08, 2007 05:46 PM (nrafD)
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But, geez, I find it almost impossible to believe the Iran connection. There was so much "Yes, we're sure"-ing and "slam dunk"-ing and so on, only to find out that it was, to a large extent, hooey.
Be honest, Doc: did you watch either the PJM video, or click on the link to my previous article on the HS50s?
The Iranian fuses common to 81mm and 60 mm mortars and unibody cast tailboom assembly are unique to Iranian manufacture. The Iranian EFPs, unlike the Iraqi-manufactured EFPs, actually work against modern armor, and have passive infrared triggers manufactured by no one other than Iran.
The HS50s captured were directly tracked from Austria, to Iran to Iraq, with known serial numbers, and in such quantities ( more than 100 of 600 by February) that denying Iranian involvement is nothing less that willful self-deception, or if you prefer it, another form of Trutherism.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 08, 2007 05:57 PM (HcgFD)
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"... It might be easier for Democrats not to go with evidence, however strong it might seem to be. ..."
That's been part of the Democratic playbook for quite some time, so you're kinda stating the obvious.
(Yes, it's taken out of context, but it jumped out at me as being too, too true.)
Posted by: DoorHold at May 08, 2007 08:17 PM (kUFJH)
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I just want to know: is it really that far-fetched that Saddamn knew we were coming and got rid of the WMDs? I mean what else could he do to spite us? He couldnt fight us militarily. The only thing he could do was make the war seem illigetimate by sending the weapons to Syria. There is evidence thats what happened. I guess that doesnt fit with the KOS talking points though.
Posted by: Justin at May 08, 2007 10:37 PM (NiTuu)
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when last time turned out wrong in major respects?
Yea, that can happen when a guy has the WHOLE FREAKING WORLD fooled, even his own generals who thought he had the stuff. I don't suppose you've read the section in Dulfer where it stated even Saddam's own generals were convinced they had the stuff.
If they believed, how on earth do you expect outside intel agencies to do any better?
Here today, we're looking at actual weapons, not speculations or extrapolations. Either Iran is or is not the only country to have made single piece cast tailfins for mortar rounds. This is something easily verifiable by any major news agency with the resources to go buy/rent one of every example available.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 08, 2007 11:09 PM (n2qMj)
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I say news agency because its obvious you believe the Major to be lying and/or incompetent in his job.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 08, 2007 11:11 PM (n2qMj)
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Avenger:
I don't as yet have any opinion on the Major's competence or veracity. Nothing I wrote was intended to cast him in a bad light, and I'm sorry if it was construed that way.
I am not challenging any specific evidence about Iran's possible involvement in attacking U.S. troops. CY is correct: I haven't yet read the evidence, because I keep hoping that someone can assure me, before I start digging in, that this set of facts is more correct than was the last set of facts that got us into Iraq. "Hey, everybody was fooled," doesn't cut it for me. Let's not be fooled this time; let's get it so right that nobody on either side of the aisle can question it.
Why is this stuff more solid than the last stuff was?
Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 09, 2007 08:38 AM (EdJ5a)
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Why is this stuff more solid than the last stuff was?
Should we start with solids themselves? Watch the video. Watch past videos presented on major networks and certainly out there in YouTube. REad news accounts.
We physically have Iranian weapons.
This includes scored of RPGs, mortars in various sizes, artillary shells, and of course, EFPS.
We also have more than 100 sniper rifles we know Iran's government bought on the open market from Austria's Steyr that have been recovered in Iraq of 600 they purchased.
If the physical recovery of weapons that only they make the way they do, and the purchase and later capture of weapons of weapons we know they bought isn't enough phsycial proof (along with the five Quds force operatives we are still holding after capturing them in Iraq) isn't enough, you're simply a truther, Doc.
This is rock-solid.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 09, 2007 09:05 AM (9y6qg)
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Again, CY, I'm not at the point where I'm saying that any evidence is weak or strong, wrong or right; I haven't looked at anything yet. I just want to know what I'm getting into.
Actually having weapons would already make the case stronger than the case for WMD in Iraq.
Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 09, 2007 10:22 AM (nrafD)
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I don't as yet have any opinion on the Major's competence or veracity.
Yet you doubt the credibility of the story for some reason.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 09, 2007 10:31 AM (pGj0D)
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Just wariness based on the past confusions surrounding the Iraq invasion, Avenger.
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Child Mortality Discrepancy?
Writing in the UK Independent, Andrew Buncombe states:
Two wars and a decade of sanctions have led to a huge rise in the mortality rate among young children in Iraq, leaving statistics that were once the envy of the Arab world now comparable with those of sub-Saharan Africa.
A new report shows that in the years since 1990, Iraq has seen its child mortality rate soar by 125 per cent, the highest increase of any country in the world. Its rate of deaths of children under five now matches that of Mauritania.
Jeff MacAskey, head of health for the Save the Children charity, which published the report, said: "Iraq, Botswana and Zimbabwe all have different reasons for making the least amount of progress on child mortality. Whether it's the impact of war, HIV/Aids or poverty the consequences are equally devastating. Yet other countries such as Malawi and Nepal have shown that despite conflict and poverty child mortality rates can be reversed."
Figures collated by the charity show that in 1990 Iraq's mortality rate for under-fives was 50 per 1,000 live births. In 2005 it was 125. While many other countries have higher rates - Angola, Somalia and the Democratic Republic of Congo, for instance, all have rates above 200 - the increase in Iraq is higher than elsewhere.
Is this an apples-to-oranges
comparison?
According to figures from the CIA World Factbook there are roughly 864,588 live births in Iraq every year (about 31.44 for every 1,000 citizens). In 2003 there was an infant mortality rate in Iraq of 55.16 per 1,000 births, or about 47,690 infant deaths.
In 2006 that infant mortality rate has dropped to 48.64 deaths per 1,000 births. Or about 42,503 infant deaths/year. Or about 5,187 fewer dead infants every year than in 2003.
So is it safe to say that we’ve saved roughly (and these numbers are, admittedly, very rough) 15,000 infant lives since invading Iraq?
Note that the statistics cited by Buncombe are addressing the death rates of children under five between 1990-today, and Port's information isolates infant mortality from the time period of 2003-2006. Those differences noted, there seems to be a huge possible discrepancy between the rough number of 2005 under-five deaths reported by Save the Children through Buncombe (125) and the infant mortality rate of 55.16-48.64/1,000 determined by Port.
Both numbers
could be correct, but for Save the Children's figures to be accurate based upon the CIA estimate of 864,588 live births, it would mean that 12.5% of Iraqi children under five, or 108,074 Iraqi children, died before the age of five in 2005
alone.
Does that figure seem plausible?
If it does, why has the professional media done such a miserable job of reporting the staggering losses of children in Iraq, which would seem to dwarf most
total estimates of combat-related deaths?
If it isn't accurate, why hasn't Buncombe done a better job of fact-checking his sources?
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"why has the professional media done such a miserable job of reporting the staggering losses of children in Iraq, which would seem to dwarf most total estimates of combat-related deaths?"
Because the primary interest of the corporate media is entrenching its own power and that of the class of its overlords. The corporate overlords want to suppress knowledge of the third world suffering caused by western corporations. The secondary interest is in maintaining their audience. But racist Americans don't really care if brown children die.
Posted by: Benj at May 08, 2007 01:35 PM (IwiEe)
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Am I the only one who wonders if the CIA World Factbook--published by the United States Government--might be just a bit biased when discussing civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan?
That the source has a vested interest in making life in these two countries look as good as possible does not make these statistics wrong. Still, in the recent posts here and at Say Anything on this subject, the source material is giving only estimates for 2003-2006, and it makes me wonder what criteria they use for their estimates.
The UN, for example, has a very different number: 94 per 1000 for both 2000 and 2005 (http://unstats.un(dot)org/unsd/cdb/cdb_years_on_top.asp?srID=13620&Ct1ID=&crID=368&yrID=2000%2C2005). This may not be any more accurate, but it is certainly different, and it shows that there is value in looking at more than one source.
I am not saying that the CIA is lying--only suggesting the possibility that they may be using estimation or counting criteria that paint a rosier picture than the facts on the ground. Indeed, the UN numbers, though they don't suggest that the war has improved infant mortality in Iraq, at least indicate that it hasn't made it worse.
Main point: don't blindly accept data just because it conforms to your political preferences. Look for bias (which the UN certainly has plenty of). And look for other sources--if they differ wildly, something is wrong.
Posted by: R. Stanton Scott at May 08, 2007 02:33 PM (ZDZVo)
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Here is another set of numbers on Iraqi infant mortality: http://www.unicef(dot)org/ infobycountry/iraq_statistics.html. (clear the space after the "org"). Still from the UN, and still suspect. But it may help see why Buncombe and the CIA book have different numbers: one is using under-5 mortality, and the other neonatal (under-1) mortality.
Sorry to harp on this, but it seems pretty counter-intuitive to think that infant mortality could drop in the middle of a war and subsequent insurgency. So I am automatically suspicious of any stats showing that this is what is happening.
Of course, I hope this is all true. Just doesn't really pass the smell test, in my opinion--even though I haven't been able to find anything definitive to rebut the claim.
Posted by: R. Stanton Scott at May 08, 2007 02:42 PM (ZDZVo)
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That the source has a vested interest in making life in these two countries look as good as possible
So how is providing inaccurate data to US administrations somehow a vested interest and something the CIA would desire to do? Can you explain the precise mechanism of how this?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 08, 2007 03:32 PM (n2qMj)
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RSS, you miss the obvious point. We have medical units all over Iraq. How about considering access to more and improved medical help?
Posted by: CoRev at May 08, 2007 04:04 PM (0U8Ob)
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Of course, there is the additional problem of taking any facts from Saddamite Iraq at face value. Are those figures true? Were the books cooked to make Iraq seem better than it was? Even if an outside agency was reporting, where did they get their figures from?
Keeping in mind CNN's post-invasion revelation that they let the Iraqi government censor their reports from Iraq. With tyranny's like Saddamite Iraq few figures and pronouncements have any value.
BTW, this is just a cautionary note to be careful with certain sources.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at May 08, 2007 04:20 PM (B26Fg)
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PA: I can think of at least three reasons to think that the data in the CIA World Fact Book might be inaccurate:
1. The publicly released data differs materially from that provided to US Administrations. We are not seeing what they are seeing.
2. The CIA is giving Administrations the same data it gives the public, but that data is flawed because collection or estimation methods miss crucial counts or inputs.
3. The CIA gives both the public and the Administrations incorrect data because individuals in the organization have some reason to want to do so. This could be low-level analysts trying to hide their incompetence or higher-level officers with a political agenda of some sort.
I am, again, not accusing them of deception. I think the most likely scenario is poor collection and estimation methods--driven not by incompetence or intent to fudge data, but by the difficulty of collecting information in the situation they face.
The data on Soviet economic and military power given to Administrations by the CIA during the Cold War was notoriously and demonstrably false (See, for example, Tom Gervasi's book "The Myth of Soviet Military Supremacy"). This false data lead to serious miscalculations about Soviet capabilities that made their eventual collapse a huge surprise to almost everyone. So I believe that a sceptical look at CIA data is warranted.
CoRev: I agree that if this data is true, access to improved health care from US military medical units would help to explain it. I have, however, seen no evidence that military units are treating Iraqi children on anything like a large scale, and would be surprised to find that our military hospitals there provide significant prenatal and obstetric care (this is not typically the type of doctor deployed to war zones--when our own female soldiers become pregnant, they are shipped out for care). If this order of battle is correct (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_orbat_toe.htm) I would estimate no more than about 8-10000 medical personnel deployed there, most of them tied up taking care of US casualties, as they should. I doubt this is enough to have the effect the data seem to show (likewise our much less robust presence in Afghanistan). Of course, others are working this as well, including contractors, but US efforts are probably not compensating for the generally deteriorating civilian health care system there.
Also, see here for an article suggesting that while US military hospitals are indeed treating Iraqi children, they are not properly equipped to handle pediatric care--Air Force officers lobbying for such capability: http://www.medicalnewstoday(dot)com/medicalnews.php?newsid=51183
Here is an article that details more generally the deteriorating health care situation in Iraq, including still another infant mortality rate number (125 per 1000, under 5 rate): http://www.globalresearch(dot)ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=DE%2020070406&articleId=5289.
And one more here: http://www.latimes(dot)com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-health11nov11,0,3477207.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Again, I would love to think that our presence there is doing some good. But I am not convinced by CIA data. And while treatment from US military facilities would indeed explain improvement if it is true, it looks like this is not enough to have the powerful effect shown by the data.
Remember Occam's Razor. I think the simplest explanation here is bad data.
Posted by: R. Stanton Scott at May 08, 2007 04:38 PM (2k+mA)
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There is much reason to doubt the alleged increase in infant mortality in later years. Unicef previouls stated that in excess of 500,000 died during the sanctions. Presumably the chidren would be dying an even greater rate if we had left the Sadaamists in power.
Posted by: davod at May 08, 2007 05:33 PM (RdotW)
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Dear Confederate Yankee, That's exactly what it means - in 2005 alone, 122,000 Iraqi children died before reaching their fifth birthday. Please look at this link.
http://www.savethechildren.org/newsroom/2007/reducing-child-deaths-iraq-egypt.html
Save the Children took their figures from Unicef, which I reckon is probably a reasonable source. You say I shd "check" the sources but what genuine suggestions do you have to go about checking such figures?
As to Benj's claim that the main interest of the MSM is "entrenching its own power and that of the class of its overlords", if this was true why did MSM outlets such as The Independent report this story.
Best wishes,
Andrew
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One Dead, Two Wounded Near Fresno State
Details are posted on the Fresno State web site.
The shooter, Jonquel Brooks, is a student, as it one of the wounded victims. The person killed and the other injured person are not students according to the University, but
KESQ reports that the deceased is a former student. Neither of the two wounded sustained life-threatening injuries in the shooting that occurred late last night. Brooks has been surrounded in an off campus apartment by a Fresno PD SWAT team, and they are attempting to get him to surrender.
The incident is viewed as isolated, and Fresno State remains open.
Though California already has among the most restrictive gun laws in the United States, expect the
usual suspects to use this shooting to push for more gun control.
Update: Not such a great perimeter. The shooter
slipped away.
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America needs stronger gun laws
Posted by: balzar at May 08, 2007 11:05 AM (1USS7)
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balzar, how do stronger gun laws help? It is the same as airport security. It does absolutely notheing, yet people have a false sense or security and feel something is being done.
Look at the result of gun restriction is other countries. India = you have an excellent chance that you will have to pay a ransom at some point for return of your child. Australia = crime hit the roof when guns were taken up and still climbs. England = crime is escalting at alarming rates such that they have had to begin editing their stats. You can go on and on. What is needed is a return the the 50's. Locking up crazy people and exterminating criminals. Also consider something inovative like a liberaterian view on drugs. Legalize drugs and violent crime in the US would definitely be markedly reduced. In addition we would have more freedom and less strain of the federal and state budgets.
Posted by: David Caskey at May 08, 2007 11:49 AM (G5i3t)
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Yes, we do need stronger gun laws. We need laws requiring all military age males and females to have handgun training and to possess a weapon of no less than .32 caliber.
Posted by: Jeff at May 08, 2007 11:53 AM (yiMNP)
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America needs stronger gun laws
Why don't you summarize what you see as the deficiencies in particular statutes for us?
Citing the particular sections of 27 CFR will enhance the credibility your claims considerably.
Educate me.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 08, 2007 03:35 PM (n2qMj)
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I agree with Jeff. I think every military age male should be required to have some light military training. Maybe a few days a year or something. Ya know, just some basic training on weapons, self defense, protecting others, etc. Then require them to carry a handgun with frangible ammo. I would like to see some scumbag rob a convience store when there is a good chance that half the customers are packing and trained.
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Clever Little Weapons
Michael Yon's latest dispatch
Rattlesnake, chronicles the nighttime hunting of insurgent IED teams in southern Iraq.
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Straightjacket Sales Set to Skyrocket
Needless to say, I find this collective lunacy extremely depressing:
So, according to the Rasmussen poll, 61% of self-described Democratic respondents believed that George Bush either knew about 9/11 in advance or are not sure if he knew. Only 39% said he didn't know.
In other words, a
supermajority of self-identified Democrats think that it is possible that the President knew about the 9/11 terror plot, and that he might have let it happen. I knew Bush Derangement Syndrome was running rampant on the far left wing, but this indicates that a massive majority of rank-and-file Democrats are either Truthers, or are open to the idea of being Truthers, and consider it possible that the President of the United States was a co-conspirator in terror attacks on his own country.
I'd love to see Rasmussen poll Democrats to see if they think Karl Rove was actively involved in hatching the plot with KSM and al Qaeda. Then again, I probably wouldn't want to know the results.
Ace sums it up:
The media considers it crazy to believe that Saddam Hussein, President of Iraq, had something to do with 9/11, and fights this insanity with every tool at its disposal, including outright deception.
On the other hand, the media does not apparently consider it particularly hard to believe that George Bush, President of the United States, had something to do with 9/11. If they did consider such a notion beyond the pale, one would imagine they'd publicize (and implicity mock) those crazed liberals believing that our own President aided and abetted Osama bin Ladin.
But of course they don't. Because it's simply not possible for a reasonble person to believe a sworn enemy of the US, known to have at least some ties with Al Qaeda, could have had a hand in the attacks, but a reasonable person could, according to the MSM, believe that a US President with no ties to Al Qaeda helped facillitate and perhaps even carry out the attacks.
A "reality-based" community? Decidedly and perhaps dangerously not.
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I find that the left has "lost it" when they consider Bush. If they were to look closely at the man, he is closer to LBJ or Carter than to any icon on the right.
Prior to the Iraq war, with my limited knowledge of the intelligence in the region, I did not feel that WMD's were a threat to the US nor did I feel that Iraq was a major player in terrorism (at least not the the extent that Iran and SA are). But the problem with the region is that 50 years of peace efforts have not been able to control the hostility of Arab, Muslims. I was hopeing that Bush would eliminate Iraq as a stepping stone to physical domination of the entire region. I retort on WMD, etc. was I felt a means to mobilize the masses as you could not articulate the real reason for the war to the public. My disappointment with him and his administration has been his failure to follow up with a power policy. Instead he stopped and wants to be nice to everyone. That concept is treated as weakness in that area of the world. This was compounded by the immediate efforts of the left to undermine any foreign policy set forth by his administration. I have then been gravely disappointed by the Republicans who controled both Senate and House at the time to not back their leader and have a get tough policy with the left and the Arabs.
The primary concern in the Middle East is oil. I have no problem with saying that out loud and making it our policy to secure this substance and contro our own destiny, even at the expense of a weaker nation. That is good business sense. When it boils down to foreign policy, we must begin to realize that our own interest and survival need to be number one.
Posted by: David Caskey at May 08, 2007 09:03 AM (G5i3t)
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When facts no longer matter in a debate there can be no debate. This finding is no different than 'Bush lied

eople died', US and Republicans endorse torture, etc.
It just no longer matters what the truth is.
Posted by: Mekan at May 08, 2007 10:28 AM (hm8tW)
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Well,
After Nixon faked the moon landings its hard to know for sure anymore ;->
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 08, 2007 10:28 AM (n2qMj)
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I won't get into the "Bush knew" thing, except to raise a tangentially related question: why the hell, when he learned about the attacks, did he just sit there in the classroom? This, to me, has always gone to Bush's quickness of thought and leadership skills, rather than to a his possible involvement in a conspiracy. Cripes, buddy, do something! "The eyes of the world," an so on...
Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 08, 2007 01:18 PM (nrafD)
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Clearly, there is a surplus "a" in that post, and the final "an" should be read "and."
Carry on.
Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 08, 2007 01:19 PM (nrafD)
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Doc, it is possible that the Secret Service wasn't going to move him until they had word that they could. He was scheduled to be there for a set time, and all travel security was set on that schedule. They would have to adjust their plans, make sure the word was out that the timetable just changed, and then move.
He wasn't going to cruise out of the door on a split-second unless there was a threat at that location. And until there is a threat to that location, they are going to stay as close to the schedule as possible.
I don't know for sure, but it only makes tactical sense.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at May 08, 2007 04:28 PM (B26Fg)
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I think he just didnt want to scare the kids.
Posted by: Justin at May 08, 2007 10:50 PM (NiTuu)
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Doc,
What would you have done in the same situation. Fog of war reports about what happened to the first tower, and a realization that the world would look at your next actions/inactions would be on your mind. "Mr. President, a plane has hit the World Trade Center." I remember my first reaction upon hearing the news was that some dang Cessna joy rider hit it. Even CNN with photo's was on that same line of thought. It was not until the second plane hit the Trade Center that, at least I, knew that something big had happened.
Further, do you remember the threat scares at the Capital later. You saw all the people panicking, running for the doors, trying to find their way to safety. They looked like frightened fools, and that is what the opponents of President Bush would be saying. He just can't win.
Posted by: Mekan at May 09, 2007 07:47 AM (hm8tW)
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