Ogre's Politics & Views
May 01, 2006
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Folks, time to introduce a new renter here at Ogre's. Over at the top of the left side, you'll see a square link to Howl @ The Moon. The blog has the tagline:
Politically Correct and Randomly Insane
But hey, the very
first post I read starts with "I’M IRISH, AND PROUD OF IT," so it sounds pretty darn good to me! Head on over and have a read -- maybe you'll find a regular place to visit.
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Ya know, in all the time I have seen that site, and downloaded his wordpress theme, I never got around to reading it. Will have to do so.
Posted by: William Teach at May 01, 2006 11:26 PM (doAuV)
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From what I've read, it does have a lefty bias...so prepare yourself...
Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 12:32 AM (blszc)
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Oh, that's OK. I like reading lefty sites. I wish I could find more then 3-4 which aren't seething cesspools of insanity, though.
Never did get around to using the theme, or even playing with it. It is a pretty good one, though. Have it in reserve for when I get bored.
Posted by: William Teach at May 02, 2006 01:15 PM (doAuV)
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This one does appear, at first glance, to be more entertaining instead of just vile hatred!
Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 01:26 PM (/k+l4)
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Greetings from "Howl @ The Moon!"; I just thought I'd clear up some items...
1) It's "Politically Incorrect" not "Correct" - as you will no doubt see from the mad range of posts and categories, not to mention the chaos thinking that goes on here
2) You won't find any "vile hatred" here - at least not intentionally. This site is a place to debate lots of things, which I sometimes present in a sarcastic or humourous way - but the main thing is to raise awareness and get debate going, and hopefully to entertain as well.
3) The theme has been updated (to V1.1) which you can download from the site if you need it. It's not perfect yet (not fully compliant) but I'm continuing to work on it. The problem is I'm just hacking away at it as I don't have a clue what I'm doing with php/css in general
All suggestions for improvement greatly welcomed!!
I'd welcome all readers and please do feel free to post comments, especially if you disagree with anything being said. That's the whole point folks.
Lastly may I just say "thanks" for allowing me to rent a slot on your site here. I read your site occasionally and enjoy the content here too. Maybe we should exchange links?
c0y0te
"Howl @ The Moon!"
http://www.avalon5.com
Posted by: Coyote at May 02, 2006 02:02 PM (SOAEX)
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Terribly, terribly sorry about the correct vs. incorrect! I thought I read that right from your tagline, but I obviously missed it! Very sorry.
And indeed, I had noted that there wasn't hatred there, but indeed saw quite a bit of humor -- some tongue in cheek, true!
And thank you for stopping by and renting to begin with! And sure, I'd be glad to add you to the blogroll...I wonder if I should create a new category just for you...

Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 02:41 PM (/k+l4)
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New Category? Hmmm... the choices must be endless. Feel free to invent something
I'll add you at this end right now and hopefulyl we can send traffic both directions with some humourous misadventures and subversion!
c0y0te
Posted by: Coyote at May 02, 2006 02:57 PM (SOAEX)
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Maybe I should submit suggestions from the readers...I think I'll put up a post for that tomorrow to see what turns up! This could be fun!
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BTW, Coyote, your theme is great. I still have it in my downloads, waiting for for when I tire of another one. Ended up using a different styled one.
Posted by: William Teach at May 02, 2006 07:23 PM (IRsCk)
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William,
If you need any help with that theme let me know.
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May 1 Demonstrations
Let's not forget the REAL reason for "demonstrations" on May 1st around the world:

Violent intimidation.
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Reading on Illegal Immigration
A couple quick links to posts that provide FACTS instead of the b.s. the immigrant apologists will provide you with:
Underlying Agenda of Illegals
Myth vs. Fact on Illegal Immigration
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I don't understand why so many Americans are complaining about having an unlimited supply of low-wage workforce on hand. Most developped countries are experiencing a declining workforce population. Which problem would Americans rather have?
Posted by: Saskboy at May 01, 2006 07:40 PM (c6g2h)
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It's not about the workforce.
It's about America, as a country. It's about the hundreds of billions of dollars these "workers" are costing. It's about the loss of the American heritage.
Posted by: Ogre at May 01, 2006 07:47 PM (/k+l4)
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"It's about the loss of the American heritage."
What is that supposed to mean? The American heritage is all about immigration involving people the general American population is suspicious of, and doesn't want.
Immigrants don't simply cost money, they make it too. You can't count the expenses without counting the revenue to get the new loss or gain.
Posted by: Saskboy at May 02, 2006 01:43 AM (c6g2h)
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Sure, like not celebrating July 4th and bastardizing the Star-Spangled Banner, right? No, the American Heritage does not speak Spanish and celebrate Cinco de Mayo.
And you want to count money? Ok, if you work and generate $5 but cost the government $100, who wins? Not me, the working person. Sorry, they cost BILLIONS more than they contribute. It's a fact.
Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 01:59 AM (blszc)
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Check this:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTBlOTVlNDFkNTYwOTg4YWYxMThkZmE2MWZhMmVjMWM=
Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 02:00 AM (blszc)
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I just don't see the big deal I guess. My country is united and has more than one official language. Everyone celebrates one national holiday, but what's the harm in a culture having a nother day to celebrate? Do you ever partake in St. Patrick's Day celebrations perhaps?
"Sorry, they cost BILLIONS more than they contribute. It's a fact."
With 'facts' like that it's hard to have a discussion.
Posted by: Saskboy at May 02, 2006 02:16 AM (c6g2h)
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If American culture and heritage is so weak as to be destroyed by a Spanish version of the National Anthem and Cinco de Mayo then perhaps its time to consider rethinking the culture. Perhaps multiculturalism, tolerance and inclusive immigration policy, or hell, spending enough money on education so that more than 50% of your high school grads can point to their own state on a map (20% can't point to America itself. Be proud) might help.
My experience is that diversity contributes to a culture, rather than detracting from it.
While Illegal-Immigrants do cost your economy money, the racial hatred inspired by rhetoric against them has been far, far more damaging historically.
Posted by: Jacob Hunter at May 02, 2006 02:45 AM (Z8crZ)
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Saskboy, I'm sorry that you don't like facts.
Jacob -- can you say "10 million criminal immigrants?" No, we do NOT need more multiculturalism, we need LESS. Diversity for diversity's sake is completely wrong everywhere but a socialist or totalitarian government where the government tells everyone what to do, whether they like it or not (gee, kind of like the USA today).
You might think it's racist to dislike criminals -- but that's not the actual definition of criminal. Sure, it's prejudice -- but I'm prejudiced against rapists and murderers, too -- no matter what "race" they belong to.
Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 02:55 AM (blszc)
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10 Million people cross the border, despite people such as yourself, because they are so desperate for the kind of life you take for granted.
Can you honestly compare people like that to murders and rapists?
Posted by: Jacob Hunter at May 02, 2006 03:06 AM (Z8crZ)
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It's not that I don't like facts, it's that I was being polite and not telling you straight up that your "facts" are wrong.
Posted by: Saskboy at May 02, 2006 04:38 AM (c6g2h)
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Jacob, they've both broken the law. Why is that so impossible for people to understand? If we're going to ignore the law in one case, there's no logical reason to NOT ignore it in another. If those who break the law decide the immigration laws aren't any good, then why can't rapists decide that law isn't any good, too?
You know, we could just solve all our problems with rapists if we'd just remove the law, you know. It would be more tolerant and accepting of other cultures if we would just let people sacrifice humans here in America. Things would be so much more peaceful because cannibals don't like that law.
Saskboy, again, I'm very sorry that you don't like the FACT that criminal aliens simply take MUCH, MUCH more than they provide in America today.
Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 11:30 AM (/k+l4)
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I'm afraid that Sack boy is twisting this debate just like the media, leaving off one very important word, "illegal", in order to craft the debate into something it is not. There is a process in which they can get here legally, and then there wouldn't be a problem. Sackboy ignores facts, because he is thinking in terms of some grandiose idealism where he thinks he is better than you, and that you are a racist bigot that hates all brown people. He refuses to look at it in terms that are real. Why do you think so many people are upset Sackboy? Is it just that sooo many Americans are racists?
The truth is that these Mexicans are being payed slave wages, and that is inhumane and racist. Lets get that loophole done away with, so they can be payed fair wages here, and be here legally.
What I want to know Sackboy is if you enjoy paying taxes so illegal aliens can leech off and get free educations, etc.???
Posted by: Jay at May 02, 2006 11:50 AM (2FcUc)
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Sounds like Sask is from Canada, if I'm reading "My country is united and has more than one official language" correctly.
If so, Sask, honey - how often in the past 50 years has Quebec wanted to seceed (sp) again? Just wondering.
And to reiterate - we LOVE immigrants here in America. LOVE them: they are a joy and an honor, because they come here and forsake their original country and alliegances. They take part in and contribute enormously to this country.
Of course, they do it legally.
As for those lawbreakers that everyone seems to want to call "immigrants" "migtants" and "those pooooor people you nasty Americans are being so mean to" - if they want to get here so badly, let them do it LEGALLY.
Otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, they're criminals. We do NOT need more criminals, we have enough of our own thankyouverymuch.
-- R'cat
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Posted by: Romeocat at May 02, 2006 12:02 PM (VoQwT)
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*sigh* PIMF - "migrants".
One of these days, I'll learn to type... [rolls eyes]
-- R'cat
Posted by: Romeocat at May 02, 2006 02:34 PM (VoQwT)
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Jacob, the kind of life we take for granted? We work hard for this life, and it is only because of everybody is society working towards a vetter life that we have this "life we take for granted". When you swamp the society with millions more people than it needs, the quality of life drops for all because there is only so much to go around. Criminal aliens that sneak in and increase the population in ways that are beyond the control of our society lessen the amount of resources available for everyone.
But I imagine that this concept is too far advanced for you to understand, judging by the fact that you believe that money is the problem in education. Tell me Jacob? How much money would I have to pay someone before you aquired the necessary level of intelligence to understand that a law is a law?
Sackboy.....either frame the argument honestly or don't debate. It is ILLEGAL immigration.
Multiculturalism is a stain on the history of this country.
Posted by: kender at May 02, 2006 02:35 PM (x/4tK)
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R'Cat, I'm still working on the mind-to-type contraption...with built-in spell check...
And Kender -- indeed: "Multiculturalism is a stain on the history of this country."
Yes. Yes it is.
Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 02:44 PM (/k+l4)
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Jay "I'm afraid that Sack boy is twisting this debate just like the media, leaving off one very important word, "illegal", in order to craft the debate into something it is not. There is a process in which they can get here legally, and then there wouldn't be a problem. Sackboy ignores facts, because he is thinking in terms of some grandiose idealism where he thinks he is better than you, and that you are a racist bigot that hates all brown people."
The name's Saskboy ;-) as someone astutely noted I'm Canadian and Sask is short for Saskatchewan. The debate is over whether illegal immigrants should be considered felons solely on their means of coming to the States, so it's not "spinning" to take the opposing view. If you take disagreement as spinning, then I don't know how to talk with you. And I never called anyone a racist, that was another who suggested that.
To answer another question, Quebec has never wanted to succeed from Canada. There have been two referendum on the subject in the last 40 years [to my memory] and both times the seperatists lost, so the province never voted for seperation. If you wan to dredge up seperation as some kind of Canadian fault - don't try it. *cough* Civil War *cough*
Multiculturalism is a fact of living on earth. The only "stain" is people who kill or persecute others based on race. What exactly is wrong with multiculturalism in your views, Kender and Ogre?
Posted by: Saskboy at May 02, 2006 03:24 PM (c6g2h)
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Multiculturalism is about shutting up freedom. Multiculturalism, in it's current incarnation, is about telling people what to think and how to feel. It's about crushing freedom of thoughts and ideas. It's about telling people that their way of living and thinking that has existed for decades is wrong. It's about forcing people to accept others, no matter what they do wrong.
Multiculturalism's goal is to destroy the uniquely American idea.
Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 04:29 PM (/k+l4)
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Listen up ya lil canuk, "multiculturalism" as Ogre said in its' current form, demands that people must accept others no matter what they think of them or what they do singly or as a group, and the current trend regarding (and I know this is an extreme example but I am trying to make a point quickly so that you stop wasting our time) of NAMBLA stating that sex with little boys is just another "cultural choice" that should be tolerated is exactly the kind of crap one gets when they do NOT have limits, boundries and accepted cultural norms based in a common MORAL system.
Now....can you wrap your pointy little head around THAT fact???
As for the debate being about whether criminal aliens (i.e. "illegals") should be consider felons or not, you are wrong. The debate is, at its' heart, about whether we should give amnesty to millions of people that have already shown they have a hardwired disdain for OUR LAWS!!!!!
The people coming in droves from latin american countries have a tolerance of corruption that they are gladly bringing along with them, and this mindset is not one that we can afford to accept, and giving in to the demands that our laws be ignored and papers handed out because our government failed us in their duties simply tells them that America is exactly the same as where they came from and that demands (threats) can get just as much done as bribes.
Posted by: kender at May 02, 2006 04:41 PM (x/4tK)
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Saskboy, just because the referendum LOST both times does not negate my point. Is my memory faulty in telling me that more and more the seperatists are gaining support for secession?
As for the Civil War, yup - it was a disgraceful and tragic time in our history. However, it addressed (among other things) a terrible injustice in the system as it existed at the time. That situation is far better now, and steadily improving. Nevertheless, the Civil War has nothing to do with the subject of ILLEGAL immigration (frankly, neither does Quebecios secession, sorry).
I am curious, Sask - if I happened to hustle on up to Canada, enter without due process, and then proceed to demand that you give me citizens' rights... Would you campaign on my behalf? Would you do so if I also refused to surrender my status and privleges as a US citizen? Would you STILL do so if I (and others like me) sent FOUR BILLION Canadian dollars (annually) "back home" and didn't reinvest it in Canada - which had supposedly empowered me to make a better life?
-- R'cat
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Posted by: Romeocat at May 02, 2006 05:01 PM (VoQwT)
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Make it realisitic R'Cat -- go to Saskboy's house and move in. Sit down on the couch and make yourself comfortable. Then tell him that you like it there and you're going to stay -- and he's going to pay your rent, for your food, your education, and any medical care you need. Oh sure, you'll help out around the house a bit, but you're not leaving.
That is what the ILLEGAL, criminal invaders are doing in America today.
Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 05:12 PM (/k+l4)
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"Would you do so if I also refused to surrender my status and privleges as a US citizen? Would you STILL do so if I (and others like me) sent FOUR BILLION Canadian dollars (annually) "back home" and didn't reinvest it in Canada - which had supposedly empowered me to make a better life?"
Well, I cant speak for Saskboy, but I wouldn't complain and I am a Canadian. Canada allows dual citizenship, so feel free to come over and be both Canadian and American. And if you have family back home who needs money, go ahead and send it. By renting/buying a home, buying groceries and supplies, and living here in general you are supporting the canadian economy. Besides, Canada LIKES to help other countries and people better themselves. We arent selfish airheads, thanks.
Do you truly think people illegally immigrate to the USA just for the sake of doing something illegal? Have you ever thought to look into immigration policy? I'm pretty sure you will discover that the average illegal immigrant doesnt qualify to enter legally.
Posted by: Blessed at May 02, 2006 05:28 PM (lIicN)
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Blessed, okay, start sending me your money. I'll only use it to pay my medical bills, my rent, my education bills, police, and food, I promise. Since you're not "selfish," I'm sure you will start sending me your money right away.
Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 05:32 PM (/k+l4)
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Multiculturalism " It's about telling people that their way of living and thinking that has existed for decades is wrong. It's about forcing people to accept others, no matter what they do wrong."
I don't see it that way. I think it's telling people to accept other peoples' cultures, as long as the other culture doesn't contradict the prevailing culture in the land. No culture encourages child mollestation, so your example isn't a good one.
Kender, "lil CanuCk" and "pointy head" isn't a really great way to make a point and have me believe you're not just bluster. I'm sorry if you've encountered Canadians in the past that lead you to believe you have to type slowly so I can understand. "The people coming in droves from latin american countries have a tolerance of corruption that they are gladly bringing along with them," Is that why Tom DeLay was tolerated so long, because of latinos in Texas?
Romeocat, last word on the Quebec thing - no the movement is not gaining. Liberals hold the provincial government, and Conservatives won more seats federally than last election too in Quebec.
If you moved to Canada illegally, depending on your circumstances I might fight for your right to stay. Various reasons would include being punished for political reasons, when you are returned to the States [a country that might put you to death for crimes], or that you've built a business or Canadian family while here for many years, and my country would be punishing Canadian children by sending you away. Also Canada's immigration system is dreadfully slow. We can't get as many legal immigrants we want, the system can't keep up, and I suspect your system has the same problem where there are good people willing to move here, but no legal way for them to do it.
Thank you everyone for the interesting conversation, and letting me speak to the other side of the issue. Stop by my blog anytime, there are links to various Canadian bloggers that I know you'd have interesting discussions with.
Posted by: Saskboy at May 02, 2006 05:39 PM (c6g2h)
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Are you moving to Canada, Ogre? Are you gonna start working here for a Canadian business and helping that business make money like an illegal immigrant? and how, btw, do u pay the rent and bills of an illegal immigrant? They recieve no government funding of any sort.
Posted by: Blessed at May 02, 2006 05:49 PM (lIicN)
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btw, Ogre, since i see you avoided my question, i guess i will leave you in ignorant bliss
Posted by: Blessed at May 02, 2006 05:50 PM (lIicN)
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Saskboy, you don't see things in America, I assume, so I'll address this statement of yours: "I think it's telling people to accept other peoples' cultures, as long as the other culture doesn't contradict the prevailing culture in the land."
That's is absolutely incorrect as it manifests in America today. In America's schools, it is FORCING people to accept EVERY culture but their own, ESPECIALLY if it contradicts the prevaliing culture. That IS it's purpose in the education system of America, seriously.
Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 05:51 PM (/k+l4)
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It's called Section 8 Housing, Blessed, and we DO give it to illegals ALL the time.
Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 05:52 PM (/k+l4)
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"Saskboy, you don't see things in America, I assume"
You see the schools I take it? I've travelled from Washington DC, to Seattle by bus just 3 years ago, and get American news on TV every day, along with American entertainment TV. Granted I haven't seen into an American school, so I'll take your word if you have recently.
Posted by: Saskboy at May 02, 2006 06:00 PM (c6g2h)
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I work in them.

Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 06:00 PM (/k+l4)
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Blessed, "I'm pretty sure you will discover that the average illegal immigrant doesnt qualify to enter legally." there is a reason for that. We have plenty of our own stupid, lazy, shiftless non-skilled people and certainly don't need to import more of them. We graduate thousands of them every year from high schools all across the country.
The U.S. lets in over a million LEGAL immigrants EVERY YEAR, the MOST liberal immigration policy ON THE PLANET!!!!
The 14th amendment has been wrongly interpreted and when someone is born here to a criminal alien that person is given all the welfare benefits of natural born citizens.
That is how criminal aliens steal from us.
And saskboy? As I am bored today, I will take you up on your offer to come play on your blog.....and I thank you for that and promise you that you will be pulling your hair out in short order, you pointy headed litle canuk....
BTW, I once lived in canada, and had to fight to get a work permit even though I was given a job before I even got in my car to go there....and spent most of a summer living on a guest visa and the proceeds from betting on horses....good thing I had a good run....
Posted by: kender at May 02, 2006 06:01 PM (x/4tK)
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Blessed said: "Besides, Canada LIKES to help other countries and people better themselves. We arent selfish airheads, thanks."
Neither is the US. As a matter of fact, the US is the most generous, openhanded country in the WORLD. Nuclear accidents, earthquakes, tsunamis, genocidal maniacs, famine...
You name it, we're there. And we're usually there FIRST, and we don't ask if you're "just like us" before we give a helping hand.
AND - we don't let our government give FOR us. Time after time after time after time, private citizens pull out their wallets, volunteer their time, offer their services **OUT OF THEIR OWN SENSE OF DECENCY AND GOODWILL**
*sigh* My Momma told me to be courteous, Blessed, but you're making it awfully hard...
Saskboy - America doesn't have the death penalty for "lesser crimes" like illegal immigration. We reserve that for things like capital murder and so on. Please don't set up that kind of strawman.
Nevertheless, the fact remains that laws are being broken. Now, admittedly, not all laws are just - that's true. However, it is up to the **citizens of that country** to change those laws.
Until the laws are changed, they must be enforced. Period. Whether or not our legal system chooses to enforce those laws isn't at issue.
By definition, if I break a law, I am a criminal. And, yeah, I feel the same way about the speeding tickets I've gotten - I made my choice, got caught, and paid the price.
Suddenly a thought strikes me: Sask, do you understand the concepts behind the words "responsibility, duty, and honor"?
Responsible people, who understand their duty to other people and their own country, behave honorably and obey the laws they live under. They scorn dishonorable and irresponsible people who flaut the law and have no concern for respect and consideration for others.
If these concepts are something you cannot understand and apply to the ILLEGAL immigration issue... well, we are so far apart mentally that we cannot have an honest, open, and PRODUCTIVE conversation.
- R'cat
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Posted by: Romeocat at May 02, 2006 06:24 PM (VoQwT)
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R'cat "Sask, do you understand the concepts behind the words "responsibility, duty, and honor"? Responsible people, who understand their duty to other people and their own country, behave honorably and obey the laws they live under. They scorn dishonorable and irresponsible people who flaut the law and have no concern for respect and consideration for others."
I do understand thos concepts, yes. And I just feel that our duty to others doesn't end at the 49th parallel, or any other country border, as indicated by your earlier comment to Blessed about Americans helping out around the world as they obivously do. Your line in the sand as to who you respect and honour, is just a bit closer to home than I'd make it for me.
Posted by: Saskboy at May 02, 2006 06:35 PM (c6g2h)
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Sask, duty, honor and responsibility start at home, and if we can't keep our own house clean, how can we help others?
It is a simple recognition that there is only so much to go around, and if we lose all trying to help others than we all lose......
Posted by: kender at May 02, 2006 06:48 PM (x/4tK)
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Actually, Sask, I daresay that my "line in the sand" is drawn far further than you think, apparently. I don't believe I happened to mention *any* nationalities when I wrote of duty, responsibility, and honor.
Anyone in the world who honestly acts on those principles, although I may not agree with their particular interpretation of how to live those virtues, are my kind of people.
-- R'cat
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Posted by: Romeocat at May 02, 2006 08:25 PM (VoQwT)
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I think the difference in terms between R'Cat and Saskboy is "our." When R'Cat uses the word, she means individuals working together. I suspect Saskboy (correct me if I'm wrong) sees "our" as more of a collective of the country.
Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 09:19 PM (blszc)
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"If those who break the law decide the immigration laws aren't any good, then why can't rapists decide that law isn't any good, too?"
John Locke, whose writing were the philisophical inspiration for your revolution said that when a law is unjust, we as citizens have a duty to oppose it; I don't buy the arguement that being illegal means it can't be questioned or unenforced. Further, it is a citizens duty to understand the difference between laws against rape and immigration regulations.
Quebec seperatism isn't gaining groud.
Why is it assumed all illegal immigrants are lazy, stupid and shiftless?
These people move to your country because they make more in America in a day than they make at home in a week. And you do take the life for granted, spend a week in the third world. Your country has worked hard for the economy you have, but it isn't just hard work, there is a little luck, geography and history involved.
And since the arguement "there is only so much to go around" essentially says that economics is a zero sum game, that some must loose for others to gain, it flies directly in the face of the philosophy behind your economic policy; in fact, it's a common arguement for communism.
If you're looking at solving the problems of poverty and waste, perhaps you should look at how much the government wastes on Halliburton, in Iraq (And I am not saying the war was a waste, neccessarily, but look at the waste in prosecuting that war...), in the Defense Department, in pork-barrelling, etc etc etc. Going after Illegal Immigrants is scapegoating 10-12 million people who account for .01% of the problem.
Posted by: Jacob Hunter at May 02, 2006 11:46 PM (Z8crZ)
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If we have 11-12 million "illegal immigrants" (follow me here this is a very convoluted argument that gets real damned twisty, Jacob) and the issue at hand is "illegal immigration" then just how the hell is making illegal immigrants the focus of illegal immigration SCAPEGOATING THEM??????
For criminys sake Jacob, I do believe that what you wrote was the single stupidest thing I have ever read and you owe me money for lowering my IQ by subjecting me to it......and keep in mind I have read things at the DU and you STILL BEAT THEM HANDS DOWN!!!!!
In fact, if there were a mental darwin award for the stupidest thing written you would have it locked up for the next five years....
What a dumbass!!!!
Posted by: kender at May 03, 2006 01:40 AM (x/4tK)
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People in America are worried about jobs, they blame illegal immigrants for taking their jobs, you are scapegoating a group of people because it's far easier than actually changing your countries policies, reducating yourselves, etc.
The "costs" of illegal immigrants represent an overall 1/10th of a precent of the overall costs of wasteful programs your government undertakes, its corruption, etc.
You blame them because it's easier, just like every other country thoughout history that has had this idiotic debate. Illegal Immigration is about "To much of you, not enough of me"; and that's from PG O'Rourke. It's thinly veiled racism. Your cute circular reasoning (It's illegal because it's illegal!) notwithstanding.
I will say this very clearly: It is scapegoating because the entire Illegal Immigration debate is scapegoating; "Things suck, it must those damn illegals!"
The name calling is cute, it really makes your arguements more convincing. And really, do I have to be the one to tell you that in so far as IQ is concerned, one can not subtract from 0.
Posted by: Jacob Hunter at May 03, 2006 02:07 AM (Z8crZ)
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There's a HUGE difference between citizens opposing and law and changing that law and simply disobeying it and refusing to prosecute it. We are a nation of laws. If the law is wrong, change it. Until it changes, it's to be obeyed. It's pretty simple.
It is not assumed that all illegals are lazy -- but they ARE getting hundreds of billions of dollars of US government money, period. Maybe that's peanuts to you, but that's a huge pile of money to me.
And you know, I might be able to make more in a day than I do in a week now if I come to your house and steal everything you have to sell it -- does that make it ok?
And it's not about jobs. Nice straw man, but that's not anywhere near the whole story.
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I stand by what I said Jacob. You wrote the stupidest. Comment. Ever.
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To correctly modify stupid to indicate degree, one would use the word most; most stupid. Or, conjugate the word dumb with est, as in dumbest.
Irony, is when say, a person such as Kender uses a word that doesn't exist in the English lanuguage to impune someones intelligence.
Hyprocrisy would be not having a working understanding of the English lanuage, yet insisting all immigrants do.
You're right, it's not just about jobs, it's about making sure enough people in the middle of the country are so afraid of Terrorism, unemployment, Illegal Immigrants, "The Gays", "The Jews", "The Liberal Media-Elites" and whatever else the Republican party can muster to keep y'all in fear.
It's amazing how these issues always get play in even numbered years...
So, when American contravened international laws (Against Torture, for example) your government and military leaders should be on trial right?
Orge: No, it does not make it okay to steal. How about this, what If I came to your house, killed the vast majority of it's residents, then declared the house to be mine; then I only let certain people in?
How is that not worse than say, just coming to your house and sleeping in the backyard?
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To correctly modify stupid to indicate degree, one would use the word most; most stupid. Or, conjugate the word dumb with est, as in dumbest.
Irony, is when say, a person such as Kender uses a word that doesn't exist in the English lanuguage to impune someones intelligence.
Hyprocrisy would be not having a working understanding of the English lanuage, yet insisting all immigrants do.
You're right, it's not just about jobs, it's about making sure enough people in the middle of the country are so afraid of Terrorism, unemployment, Illegal Immigrants, "The Gays", "The Jews", "The Liberal Media-Elites" and whatever else the Republican party can muster to keep y'all in fear.
It's amazing how these issues always get play in even numbered years...
So, when American contravened international laws (Against Torture, for example) your government and military leaders should be on trial right? "We're a nation of laws". Your own president has contravened American law 750 times since taking office.
Orge: No, it does not make it okay to steal. How about this, what If I came to your house, killed the vast majority of it's residents, then declared the house to be mine; then I only let certain people in?
If you're going to hang on the cross over the sanctity of international border, consider your own history.
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"working understanding?" Hello, Straw Man.
Republican Party? Fear? You are OBVIOUSLY not up with American politics. The Republican Party supports illegal immigration! They're afraid of the Jews and trying to make others afraid of them? What planet are you on?
Ok, so you admit it's not okay for me to steal. Why, then, is it okay for illegal immigrants to break the law and come to this country and steal from me?
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The Republican president has favored an earned citizenship (odd, he's not up for election this year), but the Republican Congress (who is up for election, weird!) passed a draconian law, to appeal to their base... Hmmm...
I am "up" on American politics, it bombards me on Television, and I READ.
See Chris Rock, Never Scared, he will explain the Jew comment. Hell, listen to your leaders "Liberal Media Elite" "Media controlled by the Jews"...
They have figured out the perfect way to get poor people to vote against their economic interests, it would be brilliant if it weren't so sad. They make you afraid, get your whipped up about the economic problems they cause, but they blame them on whomever is convinient.
They come to your country, they don't steal. They use a few services, which costs a little money. If you want to talk about theft, lets find an Indian to bring into this conversation.
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No, the Republican Congress did NOT pass a draconian law. If they had, the President would either sign it or veto it. In fact, the HOUSE did and the Senate did not. So, if you consider 1 out of 3 "support," well, you just don't understand American politics.
Oh, Chris Rock is now your official source for the directon and means of the Republican Party? Wow. No, I'm sorry, you really do not understand politics in this country, no matter what you're reading and seeing.
Do you actually think poor people vote Republican? But that liberal media has been telling me that the Republicans are the party of the rich and the corporations.
Indeed, many in politics do attempt to use fear. I've only seen Democrats actually succeed at it.
And once again, if hundreds of billions of dollars is "a little money" to you, that's fine -- it's an enormous amount to me.
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The House passed it, the Senate has stalled. My use of the colloquial word for the HoR does not indicate a lack of knowledge.
The Red States are poor, they vote Republican. Gotta stop them Homos and Illegals from destroying 'Merica!
I love arguing with Americans, your education system has left you unable to form a cogent arguement, "You're stupid, I'm right!" might as well replace E Pluribus Unum on your coins.
I asked an Indian, they said you guys stole their land, you broke the law. They want it back now, they said it cost them hundreds of trillions of dollars. Oh, and he called you worse things than "Illegal Aliens".
Of course, the great part of all this is you people are so far to the nutso right that even your own party can only stand to placate you. It's so cute, look at the little Rednecks, aww... He's hating at a 5th grade level!
So, you see, you can call me stupid, you can say I know nothing of your politics, but that doesn't matter; Illegal Immigrants will keep coming to your country, your government wont be able to stop it, and you will just have to sit there and live with it. People such as yourself will just sit at home getting mad, while the rest of the world simply moves on without you.
Have fun being a throwback, you might want to learn to say "Do you want fries with that" in Spanish.
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Ok, so you believe 1 out of 3 is a majority. You think that Chris Rock is the de facto leader and director of the Republican Party and that he hates gays. You think hundreds of billions of dollars is a little money. You think that calling people names is okay if you do it, but infantile if anyone else does it. You compare the society of the 1600s with the 21st century and think they are equal. You are bigoted against rednecks.
No, I don't need to call you stupid. I think you're doing fine all by yourself.
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Chris Rock was making fun of the Republican party. You call me stupid because of your own ignorance, I love it!
I said Republican Congress passed, I meant Republican HoR passed; hence the comment about using the colloquial word for the HoR, Congress, incorrectly. How you include the President with Congress astounds me.
They don't cost hundreds of Billions of dollars, that's what's called propoganda.
Name calling is infantile, but hell, if that's all you people understand, when in Rome...
Oohhh, Okay, so in thr 1600s it's okay to steal a whole country and committ genocide, but in 2006 it's not okay to move across a border to get a job?
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You just keep on digging -- I don't even need to add to it. Perhaps you would find favor with the Democrat Party in America -- they believe, like you do, that if you repeat something that's not true enough times, it becomes true.
Posted by: Ogre at May 03, 2006 07:19 PM (/k+l4)
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Oh, and I must say, you are an absolute EXPERT at setting up straw men.
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Straw man=Facts?
Reality does have that liberal bias.
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I'm sure in your world, yes, straw men are facts.
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Posted by: Jacob Hunter at May 03, 2006 08:09 PM (Z8crZ)
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Thank you. Indeed, it will continue to be a struggle for freedom -- it always has been.
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"I said this but I meant that"
"Making a statement that you are using illegals as scapegoats regarding the issue of illegal immigration is not stupid when Kender uses the word "stupider" instead of the more grammatically correct phrase "most stupid"."
Jacob, I take it all back. You aren't stupid, you are a drooling moron of the lowest order.
You cannot possibly be such an idiot and continue to breathe while walking, can you?
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No one said he didn't drool and walk at the same time.
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Guard Our Borders!
BLOGGER REACTION TO MAY 1 - A DAY WITHOUT LATINOS
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Today is the much ballyhooed Day Without Latinos......otherwise known as Nothing Gringo Day...officially (yes, as in politically-official) known as the Great American Boycott of 2006: No Shopping, No School, No Work.
Amboy Times has some helpful advice for the title of these strikes/boycotts/stick-it-in your-eye rallies: "I recommend a less confrontational title, perhaps 'Bite The Hand That Feeds You Day' or how about boycotting all the free medical care, schools, and other government services? They could call it 'No Payroll Taxation Means No Government benefits Day' - hmm...a bit wordy, that one...”
Whatever the name, illegal aliens (presumably of Latino descent only, since this is all about THEM, nevermind the hundreds of thousands of illegals from Ireland, Dominican Republic, Jamaica, etc.) intend to show us that THEY are the engine that drives the American economy. They hope to wreak havoc on our economy to prove that we can never live a day without them because "THEY are America."
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I love this. This best thing to cross my mind was a boycott by all the Americans who opposed illegal immigration to show them and the government who actually holds the economic power in this country. Unfortunately, that would be cutting off our nose to spite our face.
On the other hand, a cinco de mayo "protest" sounds great.
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I want to see a REAL boycott of the gringo -- stop going to hospitals and taking my money. Stop attending schools and using my money. Stop taking all government checks and taking my money. Now that's a protest I can get behind!
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Vote Brawley Tomorrow
Dear Concerned Voter,
Many Republicans and Independents have recently received the juvenile mailers Karen Ray has sent. Robert Brawley has attempted to confront Karen Ray on the issues important to this community, but has only been met with a misinformation campaign. Ray’s untruthful accusations are a disservice to voters because they ignore real issues and consume public attention with distorted evidence.
In 2002 when Karen Ray was spreading the same deceit, voters came out to vote against Robert Brawley, so it is important that the truth be brought to light. Karen Ray is relying on voter ignorance, hoping that you won’t verify the record. I did the checking, and I encourage you to double check my research.
1. Karen Ray Accusation “Opposed tax cuts on gasoline, and opposed tax breaks strengthening our regional economy, protecting jobs, and stimulating new job growth.” Mooresville Tribune 3/31/2006. House Bill 105, 2005.
Karen Ray is referring to legislation she sponsored to give tax breaks on aviation fuel to race team owners for their private jets. Quoted from the same article, Mr. Brawley said, “The sales tax has been going up for most of the rest of our citizens while this action gives refunds to the wealthy.” When Karen Ray favors the industry with the deepest pockets while ignoring our infrastructure and other business, it doesn’t make for good representation.
2. Karen Ray Accusation “Betrayed his own party as the only Republican failing to oppose Democrat Speaker Dan Blue’s reckless budget, squandering the entire $1 billion tax surplus.” Mooresville Tribune 3/31/2006.
Karen Ray is referring to her own quote as evidence to support her accusation. Brawley has a consistently conservative fiscal record. By her own admission in the same article, Robert Brawley did not vote for Dan Blue’s budget.
3. Karen Ray Accusation “As reported, Brawley, an insurance agent, opposed ‘providing insurance for a minimum 48-hour hospital stay after mothers give birth. He said it would free women to shirk their duties.’” Charlotte Observer, 8/8/1995.
This liberal piece of legislation, sponsored by Democrats, requires insurance companies to pay for a minimum 48-hours hospital stay. This legislation gives the incentive for hospitals to encourage all mothers to stay 48-hours, which continues to drive up health care costs, a typical socialist solution. Robert Brawley advocated that the doctor determine the length of stay on a case by case basis, so that mothers with traumatic births get the care they need.
4. Karen Ray Accusation “Admits to cutting a deal with Democrat Speaker Jim Black in an underhanded attempt to make himself Speaker Pro-Tem and increase his own legislative pension by $8,000.” News & Observer, 2/7/1997.
Karen Ray is taking the admitted speculations of a liberal reporter and stating them as fact. Robert Brawley did not cut a deal with Jim Black. Robert Brawley voted for Republican Speaker Brubaker.
http://www.robertbrawley.com/BrawleyVote.html
5. Karen Ray Accusation “Stated Campaign Finance Reform leads to communism, and wrote his campaign donors a letter encouraging them to violate campaign ethics laws.”
Again, Karen Ray is defacing Robert Brawley for opposing the socialist solution. This liberal idea of Campaign Finance Reform was to use our tax dollars to finance campaigns. It is not government’s responsibility to finance campaigns, that’s the job of supporters.
Furthermore, Robert Brawley did not encourage voters to violate Campaign Finance Laws. In his 2004 race against incumbent Democrat Insurance Commissioner Jim Long, Robert Brawley encountered those in the insurance industry who feared retribution from the current commissioner if they were to support a Republican. Brawley attempted to find a legal way he could receive yearly contributions from these supporters while protecting them from Jim Long’s retribution. There was no legal solution so he abandoned the pursuit.
6. Karen Ray Accusation “Siding with the lobbyists and special interests, Brawley voted to kill a bill requiring lobbyists to disclose money spent on wining and dining members of the General Assembly.”
According to the article Karen Ray references, Robert Brawley voted to send the bill back to committee. Again this was a Democrat sponsored piece of legislation that promoted the liberal agenda. Robert Brawley has always been for honesty in politics and during his service has voted for the interests of the community he represented.
In denouncing Robert Brawley for his Republican voting record, I think that Karen Ray has forgotten the primary in which she is participating. Robert Brawley’s record of accomplishments for his community are numerous, including: helping to establish the South Iredell industrial park, widen Hwy 150, and acquire grants for water and sewer for exit 36 development and Race Park development. For further information Robert Brawley may be contacted at 704-664-1502.
On May 2nd vote for mature, conservative leadership in our community, vote for honest representation, and a track record of accomplishment. Vote for Robert Brawley for 95th NC House.
(Not printed, published, paid for, or coordinated with any campaign or candidate -- simply a posting of free speech by a citizen).
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The Day Without Immigrants
I'm not impressed.
If you criminal invaders (aka illegal immigrants) want to impress me with your "Day Without Illegal Immigrants," leave this country and have your day in your own country. And if that doesn't work, go ahead and make it a week without illegals. And then if I'm still not impressed, go for a month! Come on, you can do it!
Better yet, if you REALLY want to show the true economic impact of criminal invaders, how about spending a month NOT taking government handouts. Keep your children out of the schools that I pay for. Refuse to accept welfare handouts and checks. Get out of your section 8 housing that I have to pay for. Stay out of the jails and court system. Stay out of the hospitals. THEN we'll see the true economic impact of the criminal invaders.
Unlike all the lazy, good-for-nothing criminals and worthless leeches on society that will be "protesting" America today, the Ogre will be being productive and working so that I may have the honor of paying for all these scum -- so you won't find pictures of the lazy bastards here on this site, sorry.
If I find interesting news or pictures about the criminal invaders (because that's what this is, folks, an invasion, whether you want to admit it or not), I'll provide some links and commentary. However, it's a normal workday for me, I choose not to participate in this protest against the American worker.
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I am so tired of hearing about how these criminals are doing the work that americans wouldn't do.
Hell ya I wouldn't do it ... for under minimum wage that is.
And yes, during college I did do that kind of work for minimum wage, which at the time was 3.35/hour. So in fact I probably did do the jobs they are doing now for even less than they are doing them for.
So they can kiss my ass.
Posted by: Quality Weenie at May 01, 2006 12:58 PM (XG7jZ)
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They can kiss my ass too! My mom came here legally, worked her ass off for her family and did it legally, and reaps the benefits of citizenship . . . because she did it legally.
Can't do it legally? get the F*^k out o' my country. I'll celebrate when you have learned your lessons.
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I'm with you both! I worked for less than min wagve when I delivered newspapers as a kid -- we got paid by the paper, not by the hour.
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Good Immigration Law?
North Carolina Senator Robert Pittinger wants good laws for North Carolina! Imagine that. He's proposing laws that actuall combat and discourage the criminal invaders from coming to North Carolina.
His law would force all contractors who work for the state to prove all their employees were actual citizens and not criminal invaders. He also wants to punish employers for knowingly hiring criminal invaders. Of course, that's already illegal, and employers in North Carolina COULD be fined $10,000 per criminal invader hired -- but the Democrats who run the North Carolina government have simply decided that they do not want to enforce that law.
Unfortunately, this law isn't likely to pass -- because Democrats control which laws are discussed and voted on in the North Carolina Senate -- and the Democrats LIKE illegal invaders and criminal aliens. Want change? Get rid of the Democrats (and other liberals) who support criminals.
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I'd be shocked if you didn't find campaign donations from the contractors who'd stand to lose by this bill in the pockets of Republicans as well as Democrats, and I'd also be surprised if the amount by which the Dems get more exceeds what you'd expect for the party in control of both houses (you pay the guy with the biggest stick).
Posted by: Lance at May 01, 2006 12:06 PM (ceP10)
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I'm sure that there are campaign contributions both for and against this law -- but that doesn't change the fact that the Democrats support this because it's their philosophy AND they can make money from it.
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So any Republicans who side with Democrats on this are doing it because of the contributions but despite their philosophy? That seems a little how-you-say, dishonest.
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What? A dishonest politician? Say it ain't so!
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April 28, 2006
Ogre's Not Here
Sorry good readers, but Ogre's traveling all day today, so there will likely be nothing new to read here. 
But hey, if you're looking for something new and exciting to read, check over some of the blogrolls over there on the right!
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Lottery "Earns" $80 Million: Officials Nervous
The North Carolina Stupid People "Education" Lottery is a smashing success -- but lottery officials (and those who want MORE to waste spend on education are nervous. The lottery is bringing in an average of $3.6 million PER DAY in North Carolina. The Legislature has already spent $3.3 million per day -- so officials are nervous that the sales will drop off after the novelty of the lottery has worn off.
Of course, they're counting on the new multi-state Powerball (also known as the lottery-that-you-have-even-less-chance-to-win-big) that starts May 30th to bring in more money and to keep that average up. However, that's a whole month away and they're not sure what they're going to do if the average
theft income from the lottery falls below what the legislature has already spent.
Can you imagine an "income" stream of $3.6 million PER DAY and thinking that you're not getting enough?
Don't look for them to reduce the six-figure salaries of the people running the lottery -- but hold on to your wallet -- you're going to need to win the lottery to pay all the taxes you're going to get stuck with.
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April 27, 2006
Raleigh Stands Up For Freedom?
In an interesting, and unexpected move, the city council of Raleigh has refused to bow to bullying by the ACLU (American Crap-Lovers Union) and instead has decided to allow freedom of religion in the state capital.
The ACLU demanded that the city remove all references to any religion during opening prayers, despite the U.S. Constitution's protections of freedom of religion. The city, unimpressed by the threats of the Communist Lawyer's Association, told them to take a long walk off a short pier.
And yes, you can certainly expect the ACLU, with the help of exploited taxpayer money, will file suit. They might even win, because they have found a number of judges who don't like freedom of religion, either. However, the city can completely ignore the ACLU and any rulings from judges -- you see, the Constitution is the highest law of the land, and judge's rulings are called "opinions" for a reason.
You see, judges were designed to be the least powerful branch of government. If a judge tells the city to stop praying, what happens if they don't? The executive branch has to enforce that ruling. If the executive branch disagrees with the judge, they are completely free, and indeed SHOULD defer to the Constitution. I'm not holding my breath -- but nice job, Raleigh, standing up to these bastards whose primary goal is remove all signs of religion in this country.
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Yup, mu.nu still hates my trackbacks.
Posted by: William Teach at April 27, 2006 06:26 PM (doAuV)
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Notice how the only rights the Anti-Christian-Libbies-Union protects are lefty rights. They don't protect the boyscouts, Christians,etc.
I loathe them.
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It helps when I put it in the trackback box, not the Technorati tags box

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Posted by: William Teach at April 27, 2006 08:41 PM (IRsCk)
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Funny, I read the article and it's clear that no one is trying to prevent anyone in Raleigh from praying or expressing their religious beliefs.
Oh, wait a minute -- you're upset that the ACLU is moving to prevent overt references to Jesus Christ specifically? Well, how dare they follow precedent like that. This is just one more aspect of the war on Christianity, which is unfairly aimed at preventing Christians from garnering special privileges (which they loudly and obnoxiously equate with "persecution").
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Indeed, Jenn, they're a horrible organization.
And BV, you're right. I am upset that the ACLU is opposed to religious freedom, no matter who it is that's trying to be free.
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Philosophical Taxes
NOT raising taxes is not in the public's interest
How's that for a quote from a "professor of political science?" That's just another example of the liberal, Democrat, and academic elite view of the working man and his money. Their viewpoint, now actually stated, is that the public's interest can only be served by raising taxes.
This is Ted Arrington's (media-worshipped professor of politics at UNCC) statement in response to the
no taxes pledge. The article outlines various complaints from politicians who refuse to take the pledge. They see it only as a "gimmick" instead of an actual statement that pledges the politician actually work for the taxpayers.
Then again, Democrats don't see themselves as working for the taxpayers -- they work for the government.
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UNCC Demands Students
"Of the bureaucracy, For the bureaucracy, and By the bureaucracy..."
That is how the government of this United States is set up, right? It certainly has nothing to do with the PEOPLE today. Just an example, a few quotes from a GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE, who is supposed to work for the people:
UNC Charlotte Chancellor Phil Dubois plans to convene a committee this summer to study how rapidly the campus should grow over the next decade or two.
In other words, HE will decide how much it will grow -- not the people, not the students, not the demand that people put on it, not the value of the education received, just he and his committee.
Dubois has previously said he thinks UNC Charlotte's student population probably needs to be much larger
No matter what, the population will increase. What if I don't WANT to be a student there? Will I be forced, against my will? How will others be forced to go there? What if there's not enough? What punishment will be received by those who refuse to go there?
Dubois also told trustees that he's confident that the N.C. General Assembly will approve UNC Charlotte's request for a $45.8 million
Well, after all, if the government is forcing attendance at a school, they've got to have more money to pay for it, don't they? Again, what the actual people want or need has nothing to do with this equation -- it's what the government decides is best for you.
This is 100% backwards from how this country was founded. The government was supposed to work for the people. The people were to tell the government what to do, not the other way around. This just gives further proof that the government is absolutely, completely, beyond control.
The only remaining question is whether the government can be brought back subservient to the people with or without violence.
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Fair Tax Blogburst
"Every new sweeping tax law Congress enacts -— always called a 'reform' —- makes the job even more complicated and, if possible, more confusing. And the tax code longer. But we're all supposed to swear, on penalty of perjury, that we've done our best to find it... Is tax reform the answer? It's more like the problem, since every reform tends to complicate tax law only more. And the longer and worse the tax code gets, the less chance there is of really reforming the thing. What to do? Don't mend it, end it. Abolish the tax code and start all over. Think about it: Would anybody starting from scratch come up with a system as indecipherable and counterproductive as the one we've got? So why not opt for a clean break with the past? Abolish the Internal Revenue Code and begin anew." —Paul Greenberg
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Ogre Traveling
The Ogre is traveling on business for a few days, so the regular posting schedule may be a bit off...
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Travel safe! Mazel tov, my club-wielding friend!
Posted by: Stevin at April 27, 2006 05:47 AM (LfL8N)
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Thank you very much, Stevin!
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Famous Last Words
Ah, again with the lighter mood -- found at That 1 Guy's:
Your Famous Last Words Will Be:
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Go ahead, Smokey, you know you want to take the quiz.
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I got, "I can pass this guy..." which is funny as I HATE passing people on 2 lane roads.
Posted by: Bou at April 27, 2006 12:05 PM (iHxT3)
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My last words will be "So, your a cannibal, eh?"
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I can SO see that, Bou.
And Kender, that's too appropriate.
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Tour of the Blog
If this is your first visit to this blog, this is the part you need to read! I know there's at least a few new readers out there who aren't real familiar with how blogs work and how to find their way around this particular blog.
First, I'll explain the concept of a blog. I blog is a place on the internet that isn't printed anywhere else (normally) where you'll find information, news, and opinions. On this particular blog, you'll find mostly news and opinion regarding North Carolina politics and government, especially at the state level. You'll also often find some lighter post in the afternoons and on Fridays.
Here's how it works: At various times throughout the day, primarily between the hours of 6am and 3pm ET, new posts will appear. Some days it's as few as 3, some days as many as 10. The first post of the day is almost always about North Carolina government. Most afternoons there's something lighter, a joke, a cartoon, or a llama. And Friday afternoons are a free-for all: you never know what you'll find!
The main page shows the title of the post and a very brief description about the post. Simply click on the title of the post to take you to a page like this one you are reading to see and read the entire post.
At the end of each post, you'll see comments people have about the post. If no one has posted a comment on that topic, you can add your own comment (please do!). Please do feel completely free to comment on any post at any time!
As the day goes on and more topics are posted, the posts will move down the screen -- so if you leave a comment and want to see what others are saying, just scroll down and you'll find the topic. The last 7 days worth of topics normally stay on the main page.
Down the left column, you'll find a few ads and other miscellaneous links to fun places. Down the right side you'll find my "blogrolls" -- these are lists of links to other blogs that I am associated with in some way. Below that, again, more links to some other places I've found and like for some reason.
So, feel free to read away and add comments any time you like. I only ask that you attempt to remain civil in your comments. I will not normally delete or modify your comments unless you are uncivil or rude. If you have any questions, just add a comment to this post, or send me an email -- the email link is over there in the navigation section.
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Yet More Questionable Donations to Jim Black
Once again, there are more questions regarding ethics and Jim Black. Apparently a number of chiropractors gave him cash in return for slipping a provision in the law that would lower co-payments on chiropractic treatment.
The law was slipped into the appropriations bill by Jim Black personally. The provisions he added were not debated by the state House. And after it passed, the chiropractors then paid off his bribes.
The provision forces insurance companies to pay more out of their pocket by forbidding them from asking individuals to pay for services. Instead, the government should be allowing insurance companies to set their own rates. Because of this action, everyone else that does not use chiropractor services MUST pay more for their own insurance.
This is exactly what drives insurance costs up -- forcing people to pay for services they do not want or use. This is not a free market where people can band together and join their funds -- this is government forcing people to pay for services they do not want or receive -- and it's wrong, never mind the ethical considerations of the cash bribes to Jim Black.
However, since the D.A., the Board of Elections, and the governor are all Democrats and Jim Black supporters, don't look for anything to come from this. Jim Black is clearly above the law in all matters.
Jim Black and his fellow Democrats need to be removed from the control of the North Carolina House. The sooner they are removed, the sooner freedom in North Carolina can expand.
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NC Government Solves...everything.
Apparently the government of North Carolina just isn't doing enough for it's subjects citizens. A legislative panel suggests that the state government should be prepared to give out piles of cash in case of "disaster."
They should be prepared to give out cash, gasoline, anti-viral drugs, a state "public health" laboratory, flu vaccinations, whooping cough vaccinations, bird flu vaccinations, and be prepread for animal disease, food contamination, and new flu strains -- For The Children (TM), of course.
For just $155 million, North Carolina can have a "dedicated fund" in case of disaster. So, people of North Carolina, the message from your government is:
Build anything you want. Build on the coastlines. Build in flood-prone and hurricane areas. Feel free to do anything that feels good. Save no money. Do not buy insurance -- because the state is prepared for any disaster and will give you cash if there is one.
Heck, this is better than the state-run lottery -- I've got a better chance of getting a pile of cash from the state from the disaster lottery than I do the so-called "education" lottery!
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I can finally agree with you on one point. Houses located within, oh, I don't know, 200 yards of the ocean should not be allowed. Houses tht are not raised at least, oh, I don't know, 20 feet above the flood plane should not be allowed.
As for the rest. I think your ass will be happy if you get the bird flu (which I don't personally think will ever happen here) and the stockpiled anti-virals save your life. Now, knowing the state they will stockpile Tamiflu, which I believe has been shown to NOT work on the bird flu.
I'm sure from your point of view the corporations should take care of this - market demand and all that. So, if there is an unexpected event we can expect corporations to provide needed supplies at a reasonable price without leaving customers strande.....sorry, I can't even finish it.
The country’s three largest oil and gas companies are expected to report combined first-quarter profits this week in excess of $16 billion, a 19 percent surge from last year that is sure to complicate life for the industry in Washington, where elected officials are scrambling for ways to assuage angry consumers and businesses.
Posted by: Robert P at April 26, 2006 04:22 PM (5swqh)
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Hey Ogre! Now, don't be knocking the "Education" Lottery. I finally won $11 on one of the $2 Blackjack scratcher tickets.
Only had to spend about $20 to do it.
Woo hoo!
Later,
Posted by: Cicero at April 26, 2006 07:08 PM (S35wq)
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Agreement? Not quite, Robert, sorry!
I think people should be free.
If people want to build on the beach, they should be completely free to do so -- but government should have ZERO obligation to give them cash when they're flooded.
The reason that state shouldn't stockpile bird flu virus is as you mention -- it doesn't exist! That's okay, the government will do as you suggest -- they'll spend my money on something, anything, just to spend it.
And as for your complaint about oil companies making $16 billion -- have you looked to see how much GOVERNMENT collected off gasoline and oil sales during that time?
Cicero! Great! Another $20 and you'll win even more!

Posted by: Ogre at April 26, 2006 09:07 PM (AS9yK)
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April 25, 2006
Got Candy?
Need some? Just to prove there's a blog for everything, how about a Candy Blog.
Very colorful.
And silly, if you ask me.
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Very silly indeed...lol
Ajay
Posted by: Ajay Shroff at April 25, 2006 06:10 PM (XIRg7)
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Thanks for stopping by!
Ahhh...free time and prosperity!
Posted by: Ogre at April 25, 2006 06:57 PM (/k+l4)
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A blog about candy?!! Brilliant!
I was thinking about starting a blog about carrots, but now I see that it is folly. C'mon, carrots or candy? Everybody is going to choose the candy!
Posted by: Stevin at April 25, 2006 08:24 PM (LfL8N)
Posted by: Ogre at April 26, 2006 11:56 AM (/k+l4)
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A blog about candy! I think I'm in love!
Posted by: oddybobo at April 26, 2006 01:30 PM (6Gm0j)
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Twisty beer caps? Brilliant!!
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Tax Money for Lobbying
In case you were wondering, yes, your tax dollars are being used to lobby the North Carolina legislature for a minimum wage increase. It seems North Carolina State Treasurer Richard Moore, an elected official, is using his name and a website to tell people to contact their legislators and encourage passage of a minimum wage hike to destroy jobs and the booming economy in North Carolina.
He's got a site up with his name and his picture. He's lobbying and going on speaking tours to support this increase. And yes, he's doing it on YOUR dime. Don't you just love what passes for government today? Government's sole purpose for existence, at least among the elected Democrats of North Carolina, is to support and expand government.
It used to be about the people. That time is long past. Perhaps it can return -- conservatives who challenge the Democrats would work in that direction.
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There is soooooooooooooooooo much data showing that NO minimum wage hike has ever harmed the economy and that after a 3-6 month upward, small correction - the economy takes off. The reason being that more money goes into lower, middle class American's pockets, which means it gets spent locally, which means it increases local business profits.
Posted by: Robert P at April 26, 2006 04:25 PM (5swqh)
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I, and dozens and dozens of professional economists have never seen that data. Instead, we've seen the opposite.
If that were the case, why isn't the minimum wage $50,000 a year? That would be even better, wouldn't it? If not, then how is government, who is incompetent in nearly everything they do, able to decide how much is the magical increase that's just right?
Posted by: Ogre at April 26, 2006 09:09 PM (AS9yK)
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