Ogre's Politics & Views
January 24, 2007
Discount Mats.com Update
Previously I had provided here a lot of information about the source of the American hatred by a muslim "businessman" in Wisconsin, related to the Discount-Mats.com web site. Much information was very publicly availiable for anyone (including reporters) who wanted that information. Very suddenly, all that information has changed.
Once again, we're not dealing with a techno-illiterate American-hater here. We're dealing with someone who set up at least six related web sites that were very inactive. There were blogs that hadn't been touched in over a year, but were still registered. There were companies that appeared to have no inventory and no business. And they were all related to one another and a few other muslims who were openly critical of the US and openly hostile to America.
Overnight, all those domain registrations changed. That's not something that an average business owner who was trying to sell things over the internet would do -- especially to all the sites if they were not related. Something really stinks in WI, and it's not the fish. Folks, this is a battle for America, and we're currently losing.
Perhaps we need more people like the person who responded to the muslim like this:
Mr. Khetani:
If you and your family and friends think you can intimidate bloggers after we've posted about your abominable email response to our military Sgt. who was trying to buy some mats from Discount-mats.com, you've got another think coming. I've posted about you twice, so go ahead and try to delete my post, you jagoff. When will the Islamofascists begin fragging in their own militia units? It can't be soon enough.
We will collectively shut down all your businesses by halting all incoming commerce. U.S. bloggers will boycott all your businesses that we can find, and trust me on this one.... our internet access is unfettered (unlike that of the Muslim world, but which you enjoy here in the U.S.), and anything we discover about your businesses or affiliations with perceived terrorist organizations will not only be spread about the Internet, but also reported to the FBI and the JTTF. Don't know what JTTF is? Check that one out, too.
Good luck, Mr. Moooooslem.
Signed,
A proud American infidel who will fight for her friends' lives against enemies, both foreign and domestic.
Now if we could just get Washington, DC on the side of America, maybe we could win this battle.
And for the latest summary and updates, be sure to check
Euphoric Reality who summarizes thusly:
One week ago, when one of our soldiers emailed several retailers to inquire about their shipping policies for APOs, he had no idea what would follow. He only wanted to get sleeping mats for his troops who had to sleep on the ground. Instead, as has been reported extensively, he received a rude response from a company, Discount-Mats, with an admonition to “pull out of Iraq.”
When I published the story on Sunday, I, like many others, first assumed that the business owner was merely an anti-war liberal who wanted to score a cheap political point at the expense of our soldiers. The business was immediately inundated with thousands of emails and phone calls from Americans upset by how rudely our soldier was rebuffed. I, myself, emailed three times to say I disapproved of their policies and that it was very bad for business and that I would be sure to spread the word far and wide. The website was experiencing technical difficulties by Monday and then was completely shut down.
Prior to the website’s demise, I looked it over thoroughly. I immediately discovered that the owner of the website was Faisal Khetani, who lived in West Allis, WI - near Milwaukee. I also discovered many other questionable websites that Discount-Mats.com was connected to (more on that later).
Faisal Khetani is a Muslim, of Pakistani origin, which somewhat explains his anti-war views but not his unconscionable rudeness. Now, three days after this story hit the blogosphere, the media is making a victim out of Khetani, chiding bloggers and radio hosts for fomenting the emails and traffic that overwhelmed his website. The media hasn’t bothered to look any deeper at who Faisal Khetani is, who his associates are that are involved in his business(es), or who his family is. I’ve done all of the above over the past four days - I thought it was worth taking the time to check into the background and affiliations of the Muslims invovled. What I’ve found so far is summarized below:
The Khetani Family
Faisal Khetani is 24 years old and lives with his parents, Ramzan and Amina Khetani, in West Allis. He operates his business out of their home.
Ramzan Khetani, age 55, is an engineer who works in the engineering department for Wisconsin’s state facilities. As such, he has ready access to building blueprints and site plans. Ramzan formerly operated a home-based business under the name Khetani Consulting Group, which he had established in 1999 and dissolved in March 2006.
Amina Khetani, age 55, is a data architect in the information technology industry.
Salman RamzanAli Khetani is Faisal’s older brother. He holds a Ph.D in Biomedical Engineering, and received a fellowship award from National Science Foundation (confirms the connection to Faisal - home address is the same). When you do a keyword search for Salman R Khetani, you’ll find that Salman Khetani is quite knowledgable and involved in toxicity studies, engineered tissue, and disease studies.
Faisal Khetani has claimed that he “fired” the unnamed employee who sent the original rude email to SGT Hess, since the email didn’t reflect the company’s position. Then, he contradicted himself and confirmed that the company was indeed anti-war:
“As I told my local reporters, the individual who made those statements has been held responsible and liable and what they spoke of apo addresses is absolutely true, but the second half was their own personal opinion and not the opinions of the company.”
“I will say this, my company most certainly doesn’t support the war, and we do hope that the policies will change.”
Faisal has claimed to the media that Discount-Mats has ten employees - and they’ve accepted his claim at face value. They’ve also reported that the unnamed employee was fired, without verifying if there was an employee. Considering the business is operated from his parents’ home, it is highly doubtful that there is an “employee”, and it’s likely that the email was from Faisal himself. There are no businesses with the name Discount Mats or Bargain Suppliers (or any variation thereof) registered in the state of Wisconsin. A search of the worker’s compensation database shows no company by those names either. It is not a legitimate business, nor does it have employees. Faisal Khetani is not telling the truth - that makes him suspect.
In that same letter, Khetani also threatened Kirkland with unleashing the wrath of “major muslim organizations” on her for her “insults”. He closed by telling Kirkland, “you can be sure that there are million of muslim activists as well that will do something about your foul statements…. your statements against Muslims and your direct insults will not go unheard, I assure you.”
Perhaps one of those major Muslim organization is the Muslim Student Association (MSA), with which the Discount-Mats “VP” is affiliated. No doubt CAIR will get involved, by default.
Khetani Associates
Sajid Nasir is the vice-president and self-described co-owner of Discount-Mats. He has issued some strong statements alleging that the Khetani family is being harassed by vulgar and angry phone calls. Sajid is also a Muslim activist on the UW-Milwaukee campus (See Update Ten for more details on his activism.).
Ahmed Bushra, 24, is an engineering student. He claims he worked at, and managed, a North Shore jewelry store in Milwaukee.
Possible peripheral contacts, based upon association with Sajid Nasir:
Furqan Hanif (replacement registrant for Sajid’s website)
Adam Abdi (Muslim activist at UW-Milwaukee)
Bogus Websites
There is an ever-increasing network of Muslim-owned websites that share the same characteristics:
1. Owned by Muslim men in their mid-20s, who live in the Milwaukee area.
2. Inter-connected and inter-linked to one another.
3. Four sites share a Paypal account under the name “Bargain Suppliers” (WLWR, BDP, QDS, DM)
4. Share same website template.
5. Identical configuration.
generic junk content
junk resources and links
basic contact form (email address and message only - for discreet online communication?)
email subscription form
many empty pages/dead links
set-up and abandoned blog sites
6. Jan 24 07: all sites changed WhoIS registry to anonymous registrant (with the exception of Discount-Mats and Quality-Discount-Scooters).
Faisal Khetani owns several wildly divergent business websites:
Faisal Khetani, in addition to owning Discount-Mats.com, is also a supposed fitness expert/consultant: Weight Lifting Workout Routines (WLWR).
He also owns Chicago Plumbing Guide, registered under the name Salman Farsi, but the same P.O. address in Milwaukee as Faisal’s other domains. This website links Faisal to the plumbing industry. (Note: What’s interesting about the choice of Salman Farsi as the registrant is that Farsi was the first Persian convert to Islam, and is credited for transcribing much of the Q’uran. However, I cannot find a live person by that name anywhere in Wisconsin, though there are plenty of buildings named after him. Conclusion? Alias.)
In addition to selling discount mats, writing weight-lifting, fat-burning and basketball drills articles, and plumbing in Chicago, Faisal, at 24, is also a self-proclaimed e-commerce expert, an online scam network marketer, and a real estate tycoon with an eye toward importing “high-volume quantities”, specifically wrist watches. Capital Renovations is a registered LLC in the state of Wisconsin. He is a very busy young man.
Sajid Nasir owns several junk info websites:
Basketball Drills and Plays. This site was registered to Sajid, but changed today to reflect a new registrant: Furqan Hanif in Springfield, IL. But they neglected to change to contact phone number - it’s still the same. Faisal is also connected to this website.
My Kitchen Backsplash. This article links him to this website, though the WhoIs record was modified today as well. This and this also link Faisal Khetani to Sajid’s website.
Yoga-Advice. Though the WhoIs registry was changed, this yoga registry, listing Sajid’s website and home address, was not.
Ahmed Bushra, 24, also owns several bogus websites:
Quality Discount Scooters. Shares a Paypal account with Discount-Mats.
Jewelry Spot.
Conclusion
It is my considered opinion that the intricate network of websites I listed is a facade - a front, if you will - for something other than selling “bargain supplies.” Anyone looking at the websites can see that they are not legitimate businesses. I think the anomalies I’ve summarized here, and the Muslims involved, require further investigation.
Furthermore, the Khetani family is highly qualified in some very technical and unusual fields, with an extraordinary amount of access to sensitive information. It would be worth checking to see what their affiliations are, if their mosque is radicalized, and who their contacts are.
This network of Muslim individuals was brought to public attention because of one Muslim’s outrageous response to a simple inquiry by one of our soldiers. It would be the height of irony if nefarious purposes were exposed because he couldn’t refrain from announcing his anti-American sentiments to an American soldier.
So I’m asking…is all this just about some smarmy internet scam artists? Or it this about a covert communication network between jihadis, money laundering, drug or arms smuggling, or a home-grown terror cell? I want to know. I’m not wrong for asking, but if my conclusions are wrong, then I’ll think about apologizing, right after Faisal Khetani sincerely apologizes to SGT Jason Hess and the fine troops of the 1st Cavalry Division.
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Ej yettis
Yes i am proad to be an infidel, who will fight against enemies of the state both foreign and domestic. I am going into the Army in March 07 to fight this world domination of those who want to take my way of life, god, and liberty. I love GOD, Yes.
Posted by: CivilTech80@yahoo.com at January 24, 2007 06:21 PM (Zwsx5)
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Well, you're certainly right in that they want to take away the American way of life. Now if we could just get them out of America...
Posted by: Ogre at January 24, 2007 08:32 PM (oifEm)
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Good work. We'll continue to follow up; we have a growing army of investigators. Or, excuse me, Ogre -- make that Corps of investigators! It's not exactly like we can count on the FBI, although there of course, there may be a few good men. But the task is huge, so let's help them out with more eyes on the monitors and fingers on the keyboards; the info war as well has front lines.
Posted by: Vicktorya at January 25, 2007 03:49 AM (mmErx)
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You bet! This is a war and it is being fought on many, many fronts!
Posted by: Ogre at January 25, 2007 12:21 PM (oifEm)
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I sure hope this information was at least passed onto some alphabet govt agencies. Somebody might take an interest in it.
Posted by: Quality Weenie at January 25, 2007 02:56 PM (BksWB)
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A number of people have indeed passed it along. What they do with it then, well, that's up to them.
Posted by: Ogre at January 25, 2007 03:58 PM (oifEm)
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Ogre....You are by far the biggest idiot I have yet to encounter using the internet. Way to clean out your blog and not answer my question/statement. Maybe it is YOU who should think about leaving MY United States of America. It's people like you that cause un-due hate on arab/middle eastern persons. You might as well throw up your rebal flag and Nazi propaganda you hate filled redneck. My Allah have mercy on your soul.
Posted by: Elad at January 25, 2007 06:32 PM (G7Dx2)
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Ogre....You are by far the biggest idiot I have yet to encounter using the internet. Way to clean out your blog and not answer my question/statement. Maybe it is YOU who should think about leaving MY United States of America. It's people like you that cause un-due hate on arab/middle eastern persons. You might as well throw up your rebal flag and Nazi propaganda you hate filled redneck. May Allah have mercy on your soul.
Posted by: Elad at January 25, 2007 06:33 PM (G7Dx2)
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Sorry for the double post, wouldn't want to take away from your vaulable blog space. (does sarcasm come across well).
As for the other page, I am a US Troop, I don't feel the need to try and prove that to any of you militant hate filled bloggers. You must have the stereotypes right along side the Mulsim community if you think all military service members are brainwashed bullet catchers.
As far as them "taking over" or converting us (well mainly you) to Islam...your freakin nuts! Christians are by far the worst at PUSHING their religion on others, jesus, they go to other countries and bug them about Jesus. I can't tell you the amount of Mormons I saw in Korea running around trying to convert all they saw.
With idiots like you backing us I worry, I really do...I'd rather not be supported by a group of idiots....I mean how does that affect your credability?
Thanks but no thanks.
Posted by: Dale at January 25, 2007 06:46 PM (G7Dx2)
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Elad -- you don't get out much, do you? And clean out my blog? I'm not sure what that means and have no idea what you're talking about with that one.
I'm sorry that you are honestly so clueless as to completely not understand the religion of Islam. And you actually claim that Christians are worse? You don't live in planet earth, do you?
Sure, Christians try and convert people to their religion. It goes something like this: "Hi, I'd like to tell you about Jesus. May I?"
Muslims, on the other hand, go about conversion this way: "YOU THERE. BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP MY PROPHET. FOLLOW MY RULES OR I WILL CUT OFF YOUR HEAD."
Muslims want ALL non-muslims dead or converted. And that's just the "moderate" muslims.
Posted by: Ogre at January 25, 2007 09:56 PM (pHUVv)
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I am a US Troop, What a crock, you never been in any army liberal Demos Crate. All military
in the united States sticks together. We fight for our country again terrorist.
i can't beleive someone in the miliitary would say US Troop, sounds like your a foreinger from anouther country. Your not a US Citizen.
Posted by: ej Stevens USA at January 26, 2007 12:48 PM (tIyxL)
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Poor Dale, must we insult the people of the world because you live in a cartoon world.
insult christians, Mr. US TROOP. HA HA,
please, what are you 4 years old. Only liberals insult religion, and people different then them. I'm a AMERICAN, we are a powerful REPLUBLIC. You Sir are not a AMERICAN.
I AM A US TROOP, yes, I AM A US TROOP<?????????????????????????????????????????????
Posted by: Dale jr. at January 26, 2007 01:48 PM (Zwsx5)
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Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with "I am a US Troop." I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that in my life.
Posted by: Ogre at January 26, 2007 01:56 PM (oifEm)
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To Dale
US TROOP, I am US TROOP, this is on CNN.com site, there articles says US Troop on the beginning of articles. Dale's not a member of the US Military, we are soldiers and military memebers.
Ron Sisco, USA
Posted by: dale jr at January 26, 2007 05:41 PM (Zwsx5)
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Sorry about the blog comment, I didn't see you archived your pages...my bad.
Wow where to start....
Like I said, I have no need or want to try and convience any of you that I am a US Troop. If you have any doubts you can look me up in the GAL...shouldn't be hard...look at my email. If you don't have access to the GAL, then too bad. I'm the last person that will give out personal information on the net.
In my branch of service we are taught to think, along with following orders, so to all you that "claim" to be service members (is that better than US Troops?) I'm sorry you are so brainwashed as to think all Muslim wish to convert you or kill you. If you believe that then why did you even accept your commission?
Discount-mats.com has every right to refuse service based on their beliefs. You can always go somewhere else (I don't believe they run a monopoly on Mats/rugs).
Remember the old days when shops had signs that read "WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE WE WANT" I like that idea. I built my company with my own two hands and will sell to whoever I want, that is what makes/made this country great.
As far as your "ties" to nefarious practices...give me a break....they probably changed their servers and IP's to stop people trying to do DNS/SQL attacks on them.
You people should focus your energy on other things to help soldiers, sailors, marines and Airmen (clue)...attacking on Muslim because he expressed his views is not only dumb, but harmful to all.
Any comments?
Posted by: Dale at January 30, 2007 08:39 PM (G7Dx2)
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Sorry about the blog comment, I didn't see you archived your pages...my bad.
Wow where to start....
Like I said, I have no need or want to try and convience any of you that I am a US Troop. If you have any doubts you can look me up in the GAL...shouldn't be hard...look at my email. If you don't have access to the GAL, then too bad. I'm the last person that will give out personal information on the net.
In my branch of service we are taught to think, along with following orders, so to all you that "claim" to be service members (is that better than US Troops?) I'm sorry you are so brainwashed as to think all Muslim wish to convert you or kill you. If you believe that then why did you even accept your commission?
Discount-mats.com has every right to refuse service based on their beliefs. You can always go somewhere else (I don't believe they run a monopoly on Mats/rugs).
Remember the old days when shops had signs that read "WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE WE WANT" I like that idea. I built my company with my own two hands and will sell to whoever I want, that is what makes/made this country great.
As far as your "ties" to nefarious practices...give me a break....they probably changed their servers and IP's to stop people trying to do DNS/SQL attacks on them.
You people should focus your energy on other things to help soldiers, sailors, marines and Airmen (clue)...attacking on Muslim because he expressed his views is not only dumb, but harmful to all.
Any comments?
Oh and Ron Sisco, US Army...I AM NOT, WILL NEVER BE, NOR WANT TO BE A SOLDIER...You Army guys are soldiers, Sept 18, 1947 made sure I would never be called a soldier again.
Posted by: Dale at January 30, 2007 08:42 PM (G7Dx2)
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No one has said that they shouldn't be able to sell the mats at all. Instead, we're just pointing out their position so that WE have the right to not buy from them. We do still have that right, don't we?
And I'm very, very sorry that you actually believe that muslims are peaceful. The goal of their religion IS to convert everyone or kill them. It's what they do, even if you don't want to believe it. Those who claim to be muslim but do not do that are not following their religious instructions, their prophets, and their leaders -- and they're not even denouncing those who do.
Posted by: Ogre at January 30, 2007 08:57 PM (oifEm)
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BTW- Someone posted above that I insulted Christians....hmmm OK. I stated fact...the only religion being insulted or slandered is Islam.
To the people that posted they are troops/soldiers...I call BS. The 2 years you did before being discharged by no means qualifies you as a troop, airmen, soldier, squid, jarhead, bullet catcher, desk jockey, flyboy or other.
I'm sure half of your bosses are now pissed that you are reading this and not changing the oil in the fries. Put your paper hat back on and start your shift, leave the grown up talk for those with an IQ above 100.
Posted by: Dale at January 30, 2007 09:04 PM (G7Dx2)
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What?
Do you even know any Muslims?
Have you ever said a word to a muslim?
Have you talked, one on one with someone who follows the koran?
Well I have, many times and in my places. I found most to be intelligent and peaceful, unlike most Christians I have ran across.
You hate them because you base your views on Fox news.
I totally agree with your right to express your opinion and ask people not to buy from Discount-mats...that's fine. You cross the line when you call them terrorists and that the sole purpose of muslims is to OVERTHROW the US....hey buddy, my brother-in-law is an Iranian/american and he saves lives everyday as a medical doctor, I'm pretty sure overthrowing the US is not high on list of things to do today.
You are IGNORANT in it's most purest form.
You my friend should take a course in World religions or even World History.
Posted by: Dale at January 30, 2007 09:15 PM (G7Dx2)
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Dale, why are you such a racist? You imply that everyone who is an Iran/American (whatever that is) is a muslim. Why do you stereotype so?
And yes, I have talked to many muslims. Go ahead, ask a practicing mulim who prays daily if they want to replace America with their own rule of law. I have yet to have one tell me they don't.
It's not ignorance, it's facts. But feel free to ignore what I posted about muslims who don't follow the queeran.
Posted by: Ogre at January 30, 2007 10:16 PM (pHUVv)
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Ok dummy, since when did racism become about ones religion? If so all those rednecks down south better put their ropes away, demographics show that the majority of black americans are Christian or in a Christian based faith.
Did I imply that ALL middle eastern americans are Muslim? I stated a member of my family practices the teachings of the Koran. You can read or not read what ever you want into my post...you seem to do that well. (or not so well, depending on you POV)
I again call BS on you talking to anyone other than Joe (white guy/girl) Blow. You are the type of stupid raciest that causes this country so much grief.
Hell I here reporters/new casters/comics and such saying the exact same thing Discount-mats.com said to the soldier who wrote them...get out of Iraq/middle east. Where is your blog on Comedy Central, CNN, The New York Times.....no my misguided friend, you choose to pick on someone you know will gather support from others such as yourself. It's easy to pick on the kid the whole school is picking on...your an internet bully with no clout.
Good luck with your misguided quest in the destruction of the Muslim way of life...who knows your one little web blog may bring down a belief system older than Christianity....(if this was a PHP board that would have been in Yellow to indicate sarcasm)
Good day to you sir!
Posted by: Dale at January 31, 2007 06:17 PM (G7Dx2)
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Typical leftist. Do one thing and then call someone else out for doing what you are doing when they're not. YOU are the one who branded all Iranians-Americans Muslim, not me.
Posted by: Ogre at January 31, 2007 09:00 PM (oifEm)
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Typical leftist. Do one thing and then call someone else out for doing what you are doing when they're not. YOU are the one who branded all Iranians-Americans Muslim, not me.
You like muslims. Good for you. I'm sure they will welcome you as long as you do as they say. If you don't, they will actively work to behead you. I don't like it, I'm just stating the facts.
As for picking on the "kid the whole school is picking on," be sure you check out the date of this post. This was posted before this was a news story and before the television news started broadcasting it.
And islam is old. Sure. Does that make it right? Should we all convert today because Islam was here first, just because you say it was? Islam is wrong. Islam is evil. I'm sorry you like it, and I'm sorry you support it. I will, indeed, fight it with my dying breath because I believe in freedom and they do not.
Posted by: Ogre at January 31, 2007 09:08 PM (oifEm)
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I wasn't saying the "picking on the Kid" in relation to your blog, but a general overview of Christian views against Muslims...it's the "in" thing to do now, bash a muslim or middle eastern person.
You show me where I branded EVERYONE who is Iranian/American as a muslim...you can't, just like your off the hip analysis of discount-mats intentions, you like to make stuff up, leaving out key factors suchs as FACTS.
I like good people, be it Muslim, Christian, Jew or Atheist. What I hate are people who fuel hate because of skin color, religion or sexual prefence....people like you!
Posted by: Dale at February 01, 2007 03:07 PM (G7Dx2)
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It's the "in thing" to bash muslims? What planet are you ON? I just wrote a post that will be up tomorrow morning that shows if you DARE to disagree with the Muslims, you're attacked in the media and in courts of law! There's no way it's the "in thing" to bash muslims. Today's "in thing" relating to muslims is to kow-tow to them and bow down and worship everything they say. Just ask the AP, that's what they do every day.
I'm sorry that you hate me. However, if you hate people that "fuel hate because of religion," you need to add all muslims to your list. Sorry, that's what they do.
Posted by: Ogre at February 01, 2007 03:55 PM (pHUVv)
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Oh, and just let me add -- I absolutely do not hate anyone because of their religion. Instead, I hate the actions of those who want to kill me and want to convert me to their religion. It just so happens that the vast majority of those who want to kill me happen to subscribe to the religion of Moohamed.
Posted by: Ogre at February 01, 2007 04:21 PM (pHUVv)
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Islam is one of the three major religious systems on the Earth.
But this is not the only reason why we need to speak about Islam. Islam expresses the ethics of the attitude of man to God in laconic and methodologically true form.
Moreover, the attitude to God, which was taught by Jesus Christ, was realized in Islam and not in the mass Christianity.
This is why it is in the field of Islam’s activity (namely, in Sufism) that there are many sound spiritual schools on the Earth now.
What is Islam, specifically?
Historically, it has the roots in Judaism and Christianity. Islam esteems the Jewish prophets, Jesus Christ (in Arabic — Isa). It calls its followers to God-the-Father (in Arabic — Allah) as the Jewish prophets and Jesus understood Him. The Quran — the main holy book of Islam — contains their sayings and description of their acts. The narration in the Quran is communicated through prophet Muhammad from God, Who gives Muhammad both personal advice and explanations on the correct understanding of Him (God) and of the Path to Him.
What is the newness of Islam? Why God did not spread Christianity in the regions that are covered nowadays by Islam?
The matter is that many people calling themselves Christians strayed from the Teachings of Jesus Christ even at that time. And the modern mass Christianity has lost God, and its followers can be called Christians only relatively — only because they continue to observe the ancient Christian rites.
… Let us compare it to India. The people of India have Bhagavad Gita where there is a detailed description of what is God (in Sanskrit — Ishvara) and what man has to do in relation to this. But in India too the majority of people are unable to accept the concept of monotheism (due to the fact that in any region of the Earth, the people of early stages of psychogenetical development are in majority). So, nowadays, the followers of the mass Hinduism and Buddhism of Mahayana worship not Ishvara, Who is so vividly represented in Bhagavad Gita, but the pagan fictitious “gods”: Ganesha, Kali, etc, with corresponding iconography. And in some degenerated branches of Buddhism, this tendency has gone so far that for God there was left no room and He is denied completely.
But people relying on the Judaic and Christian Bible turned out to be in even a worse situation, since these books do not contain a description of God which can satisfy the inquiries of man on intellectual search: there God is depicted so that He becomes an object of belief and not an object of knowledge.
Therefore, the return to the pagan form of religious outlook, which is more convenient for young souls, was even easier among people involved in Christianity.
The loss of God in the mass Christianity manifested in the fact that God preached by the Judaic prophets and Jesus as the main object of attention, aspiration, and love, was superseded by the pagan cults of Nicholas the Wonder-worker and others “patron saints”, by the cult of the earthly mother of Jesus, who was, undoubtedly, a remarkable and virtuous woman, but could not understand and accept what her Son taught; once she even counted Him insane (Mark 3:21,31-35). And the main essence of the Teachings of Jesus about aspiration for cognition of God-the-Father was superseded… by religious panhandling.
It came to a point when in the Russian Orthodoxy the Universal Primordial Consciousness is pictured as an old man sitting on a cloud, and the Holy Spirit — as a pigeon.
And even more, many modern Russian people of the Orthodox faith have, in the center of their attention, demons, warlocks, vampires. And the temple for them became a place for cultivating mystical fear, a place of damnations, hatred, and not the school in which one learns to love people and God.
It is important to note, that the pagan tendency was legalized by Orthodoxy already in the liturgical tradition, where very good, but not Divine woman Maria, the mother of Jesus, is called “my all-blessing Queen”, “Our Lady”, and we are her slaves with no hope to receive help from anyone, only she can help (God in this case, as one can see, is of no importance).
And, seeing the beginning of this tendency, God once again repeated through prophet Muhammad, that people have to concentrate attention on the Total Universal God-Creator and devote their lives to Him.
The word Islam, by the way, is translated as “obedience to God”, and the word Muslim — as “devoted oneself to God”.
The essence of Islam is expressed in two formulas: “La ilaha illallah” — “there is no god besides God” and “Allahu akbar” — “God is great” (of course, “great” not in the sense, that He is such a notable, fearsome, and mysterious person, whom one has to respect and be afraid of, but that the Divine Consciousness has really no borders in the universe and that God is really the Almighty Creator and the Governor of the destinies of the entire Creation and every one of us).
Having the example of degeneration of faith of many Christians, Muslims even decided to take such extreme measures as interdiction of pictorial and sculptural images of people and animals, so that one does not get tempted to worship them (this interdiction was slightly softened only recently).
One may ask: why it is so important — to direct the attention mainly at God-the-Father, instead of, say, Jesus Christ or another Avatar? It turns out, that it is really of principal importance from the standpoint of the methodology of spiritual development. It is so, because only strict monotheism predisposes to actualization in mature adherents of the need to study and explore practically the multidimensional structure of the Creation and to making their search of the Creator, the Purpose, the Teacher being directed to the depths of this structure, instead of being directed “on a plane” in coarse spatial dimensions, what is peculiar to pagans.
Posted by: Dale at February 01, 2007 06:47 PM (G7Dx2)
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You're a muslim. I get it. I still absolutely refuse to be forced into your religion. According to your religion, you must now kill me. Your attempts to kill me is what I hate.
Posted by: Ogre at February 01, 2007 07:17 PM (pHUVv)
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Yes you got it, according to MY religion you must now die...I'm sorry but's just the way it is.
WOW!
I have yet to attempt to kill anyone, other than combat.
BTW- I am not Muslim....I could debate all day with you that there is no god...that would be a good discussion between us. I'm not so great at religious discussions because I feel unqualified, but a debate about God has nothing to do with religion...wanna go there?
Posted by: Dale at February 02, 2007 02:25 PM (G7Dx2)
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Okay, so you're not a Muslim now. And to you there is no god. But you support Muslims and believe they should be allowed their religion -- which includes killing both you and I. Reality really is lost on you, isn't it?
Posted by: Ogre at February 02, 2007 02:34 PM (oifEm)
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Just because I don't think there is a god, does not mean I won't support others in their quest for spirtual enlightenment.
You guys can believe what ever you want, Christians want to kill Muslims, Muslim want to kill Christians...I'll let you guys kill off each other and I'll assume command of the world....it's all part of my master plan.
Supreme Leader Dale...has a nice ring don't cha think?
Posted by: Dale at February 05, 2007 03:16 PM (G7Dx2)
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Thanks for once again making my point for me. The Muslims will be just as happy to kill you off as they will anyone else who is non-muslim. They really don't care if you're atheist or Christian or Buddist.
Posted by: Ogre at February 05, 2007 03:56 PM (oifEm)
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As will Christians, just ask the abortion doctors and the Indians.
You people kill in the name of your religion, and then condem other religions for doing the same thing.
Posted by: Dale at February 05, 2007 04:07 PM (G7Dx2)
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I wonder if you system would survive the shock of seeing the actual world that exists instead of the fantasy-land in which you shelter yourself.
Posted by: Ogre at February 05, 2007 08:37 PM (oifEm)
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Freedom in Atlanta
Feel free to ignore the racist headline and instead focus on what the article actually talks about. Then watch the reaction of the socialist left in Atlanta.
There is a county that's absolutely enormous. It has almost a million people. Many of the people in the county feel that the county government is not responsive to them, so they want to split the county into two counties where EVERYONE gets more responsive government.
As it always happens everywhere in the world, however, like people live near one another. So if this split manages to happen, one county will have people who work and earn money, while one county will have a lot of lazy bastards that don't work. That's why there's complaining. But it's interesting to see the complaints of those in the lazy section, freely admitting that they are living off the back of those in the rich section.
If you take that money out of their coffers, human services will suffer greatly
In other words, "We won't have the cash from the workers who are working in the north to give away to these lazy bums in the south who aren't working. What are these poor bums supposed to do, work themselves?"
In addition, some warn that a breakup of Fulton could harm Atlanta's international reputation as a progressive city and hurt its appeal as a business, entertainment and convention destination.
Translation: "We won't have all that free cash from those working people to spend on businesses, entertainment, and conventions that are incapable of actually generating money. Instead, we will only have businesses, entertainment, and events that people will actually pay to see instead of the ones we liberals want to force everyone to support.
Critics of a split also worry about the future of Grady Memorial Hospital and the Atlanta area's MARTA commuter-rail system _ both of which have contracts with the county.
Translation: "All that money from the north is the only thing that allows us to run the MARTA system so that our bums can continue to have free transportation so they can continue to move around and not work. If that money leaves the county, our unemployed bums would be unable to ride the free trains around to see their unemployed friends."
Folks, despite what you see and read, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with race. Instead, this is about socialism. This about about the lazy, good-for-nothing moochers complaining because their cash cow is threatening to take their hard work and labor and leave the moochers to fend for themselves. The only bad news is that this is highly likely to not pass because of whiny Democrats in the state house.
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Charlotte Finally Surrenders
Months ago, a judge ruled on the red light cameras and speed cameras that various areas of the state of North Carolina had put into place to generate extra revenue. Sure, they claimed that they were to save lives, but that was a total lie, as illustrated by the facts.
The red light cameras decreased one type of accident, but increased another. And the speed cameras were actually unsafe because they never actually caused anyone who was speeding to slow down one bit. If someone was driving unsafely, they were observed by the police, but not stopped.
The judge didn't rule on the constitutionality of the cameras. Instead, he dodged that one with a ruling the followed other North Carolina laws (yes, some people do follow the law in North Carolina, despite the actions of the members of the General Assembly). That law stated that 90% of the "proceeds" from the cameras was absolutely required to go to the school system.
Of course, in order for the cameras to be profitable to the city, they had to retain a large percent of the cash from the citations. And 10% just simply wasn't enough. So despite all their claims about how many lives these were saving, the city has decided to shut the system down. Using the city's logic, I wonder how many people will die now because they stopped the cameras.
Even funnier (mainly because I don't live in Charlotte) is that the city now has to pay the company that was also earning money from the cameras close to half a million dollars for ending their contract early. Oh, and they have to cough up $4.6 million for the schools.
So where will they get the $4.6 million? Hold on to your wallet, Charlotte, taxes WILL go up again. Maybe not this year, because it's an election year, but certainly for next year. Where did that $4.6 million go? Some was given to the company who ran the cameras, some went to the city, which they immediately spent on things like uptown arenas and theaters.
Then again, knowing how devious the city council can be, maybe this was their plan for extra cash for wasting all along. After all, as Democrats in Charlotte like to say, "That's what we do, tax and spend. What else should we do?"
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Tall Llama
Now that's one tall llama.
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Never pet a llama on the chest. That's a llama's erotic zone. Really.
Posted by: Always On Watch at January 24, 2007 01:14 AM (0Co69)
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I'm scared that you know that.
Posted by: Ogre at January 24, 2007 01:19 AM (pHUVv)
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So that explains why I got...shall we say...snuggled up upon one time and have been scared of llamas ever since...
LOL!!!!
Posted by: Raven at January 24, 2007 02:04 AM (2VAMH)
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You should have told him to be gentle your first time.
Posted by: Ogre at January 24, 2007 02:13 AM (pHUVv)
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Well alrighty then...I'll be sure to keep my hands to myself when located near llamas.
Posted by: ktreva at January 24, 2007 03:36 AM (MsT2U)
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lol...ok ya learn sumfin new every day eh?..grinz
Posted by: Angel at January 24, 2007 04:37 AM (pwRah)
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I bet you don't, Ktreva. I bet you don't...
Posted by: Ogre at January 24, 2007 12:23 PM (oifEm)
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Well, he is kinda cute, you.
Wait, are those dimples? ;-)
Posted by: Tammi at January 24, 2007 04:20 PM (Bitcf)
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Well, Tammi does like 'em tall...

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Guard the Borders!
Dirty Texas Politics Taint Border Patrol Agents' Trial
I have to give huge kudos to Shawn Christopher Phillips, of the Wry & Coy Report, for compiling some of the least known and most misreported facts surrounding the case of the two Border Patrol Agents prosecuted for shooting a drug smuggler. Shawn has raised some very troubling questions surrounding the case - questions worth asking and investigating. He has also connected the dots in a way that the media has been unable (or unwilling) to do.
Shawn's original research material can be found at www.patgray.com here and here. I have supplemented the accounts with further information from my own research and from Pat Gray's radio show on KSEV, since he and his co-host, Edd Hendee have been investigating the anomalies surrounding this very muddled case.
I have taken the liberty of condensing Shawn's material from several posts to place it into a rough timeline of events as they occurred. As well, I wanted to include information about some of the major players in this case, from the drug smuggler himself all the way up to U.S. Congressmen and Senators.
The central perpetrator in this travesty of justice is the U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, who has old boy Texas connections from the judge overseeing the case all the way up to President George W. Bush. These connections, though not openly disclosed, have greatly impacted the case, as highly placed government officials look the other way while testimonies, evidence, and statements are manipulated behind the scenes.
By Shawn Christopher Phillips
Edited and Supplemented by Heidi Thiess for syndication by the Guard the Borders Coalition.
Did US Border Patrol Agents, Jose Alonso Compean and Ignacio Ramos actually shoot Mexican national, career drug smuggler, Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila?
That is what we have been told, that's what has been reported, that is what the trial was about, and that is what Compean and Ramos are in federal prison for right now.
Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila... drug smuggler
Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila is a Mexican national, career drug smuggler. On February 17th, 2005, U.S. Border Patrol Agents Jose Alonso Compean and Ignacio Ramos shot Aldrete-Davila once in the buttocks saying that they thought the suspect was armed. This claim has been supported by two of Aldrete-Davila's family members, who asked not to be identified for fear of retaliation. They stated that Aldrete-Davila had been dealing drugs since age 14 and, according to one, he “wouldn't move drugs unless he had a gun on him.”
U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton responded, “There's this impression that all these dopers carry guns,” but mules - smugglers such as Aldrete-Davila - "almost never carry guns," because federal law "tacks on five years to their sentence. In this one statement, US Attorney Johnny Sutton admits to knowing that Aldrete-Davila is “doper” and a “[drug] mule smuggler”.
An Office of Inspector General memorandum contradicts US Attorney Sutton's claim that Ramos and Compean reported Aldrete-Davila was unarmed.
The memorandum of activity was written April 4th, 2005, by Christopher Sanchez, the OIG investigator who questioned Compean about the Feb. 17, 2005, shooting.
Christopher Sanchez memo notes:
Compean said that Aldrete-Davila continued to look back over his shoulder towards Compean as Aldrete-Davila ran away from him. Compean said that he began to shoot at Aldrete-Davila because of the shiny object he thought he saw in Aldrete-Davila's hand and because Aldrete-Davila continued to look back towards his direction. Compean explained that he thought the shiny object might be a gun and that Aldrete-Davila was going to shoot at him because he kept looking back at him.
Osvaldo [Aldrete-Davila] had told [Border Patrol agent] Rene Sanchez that his friends had told him they should put together a hunting party and go shoot some BP [Border Patrol] agents in revenge for them shooting Osvaldo. Osvaldo advised Rene Sanchez that he told his friends he was not interested in going after the BP agents and getting in more trouble.
According to the memo, Aldrete-Davila told investigators the agents shot him in the buttocks when he was trying to enter the country illegally from Mexico.
But according to Aldrete-Davila's later testimony and that of the agents, he was shot after trying to evade the agents upon his re-entry into Mexico.
The memo never was disclosed to the jury.
Shots rang out, changing, in Ramos’ mind, the danger level of the chase. Ramos would later testify that “... at some point during the time where I'm crossing the canal, I hear shots being fired. Later, I see Compean on the ground, but I keep running after the smuggler.” Through the thick dust Ramos saw Aldrete-Davila, who was turning to face him. Ramos testified that he saw what appeared to be a nickel-plated gun in his hand.
Believing his life was in danger, he fired. “I shot,” Ramos continued. “But I didn't think he was hit because he kept running into the brush and disappeared. Later we all watched as he jumped into a van [on the other side of the border] waiting for him. He seemed fine. It didn't look like he had been hit at all.”
Was Aldrete-Davila shot that day by a U.S. Border Patrol agent?
US-Mexico Sanchez Connections
US Border Patrol Agent, Rene Sanchez
Upon returning to Mexico, Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila complained of his misfortunes to his mother, who contacted the mother-in-law of Border Patrol agent Rene Sanchez in Wilcox, AZ. According to a document, Rene Sanchez stated “that Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila's mother, Marcadia Aldrete-Davila, contacted Rene Sanchez's mother-in-law, Gregoria Toquinto, and advised her about the BP agents shooting Aldrete-Davila. Toquinto told her son-in-law, Rene Sanchez, of the incident, and he spoke to Osvaldo via a telephone call.”
Why would a Mexican drug smuggler's mother call the mother-in-law of a US Border Patrol agent, Rene Sanchez, and tell her that her son was shot by the Border Patrol after dumping a million dollars worth of marijuana?
Agent Rene Sanchez repeatedly called the Fabens Border Patrol Station requesting information to see if there were any seizures or shootings. However, according to the Department of Homeland Security in a memorandum of activity document, Rene Sanchez stated that he queried the Border Patrol Tracking System (BPETS) and found that the Fabens Border Patrol Station seized a load of marijuana on February 17, 2005.
(Note: Agent Rene Sanchez also assisted with securing an attorney for Aldrete-Davila to sue Agents Compean and Ramos in a civil case.)
Office of Inspector General Agent, Christopher Sanchez
Agent Christopher Sanchez served as an ICE agent in Arizona before lateraling over to OIG.
In March 2005, Rene Sanchez calls the Office of Inspector General at DHS and speaks to Agent Christopher Sanchez who was a four-month trainee in OIG. Agent Christopher Sanchez began investigating the case, and eventually went to Mexico to bring Aldrete-Davila back to El Paso. The chain of evidence, including custody gets really murky at this point and Compean and Ramos are subsequently arrested, charged, and arraigned within days.
When Compean and Ramos were arrested, protocol would dictate that their supervisors would have called them in to the office where they would have peacefully surrendered to the FBI or U.S. Marshals. Instead, the Department of Homeland Security staged a simultaneous SWAT assault on the Compean and Ramos homes. You know... the type of arrest scene one would expect to see when arresting a criminal illegal alien drug smuggler from Mexico with a million dollars worth of marijuana hidden in his house.
Was there an ulterior motive in using a SWAT team to arrest Compean and Ramos? Were they sending a message to other Border Patrol agents and their families? Will Border Patrol agents now think twice before doing their jobs on the border?
(W&C Report wonders about the damage done.)
Meanwhile, Aldrete-Davila was given full immunity to testify against US Border Patrol Agents Jose Alonso Compean and Ignacio Ramos. How did this happen? U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton's office would have us believe that his office was so convinced with the integrity and credibility of Aldrete-Davila, that Sutton thought the third party allegation of an illegal alien drug smuggler who was forced to leave 743 pounds of marijuana in a deserted van on the levee was more than enough to prosecute two US Border Patrol Agents – Compean and Ramos.
Almost a month after the alleged shooting, Agent Rene Sanchez’ mother in-law, Gregoria Toquinto, drove Aldrete-Davila to the William Beaumont Army Medical Center, where he had a fragment of a bullet removed, at taxpayer expense.
How badly could he have been shot, if that much time passed before he required “treatment”? How could anyone even be sure he was shot on February 17th by the Border Patrol agents? He did, after all, run and jump into a waiting get-away van! And where is that bullet fragment? Did it get lost in that murky chain of evidence? That fragment could be crucial evidence in proving whether it came from Compean or Ramos’ guns. Was it brought up in court? We don’t know because the court has failed to complete the court transcripts.
It would be important to the case to know how the drug smuggler's mother knew the mother-in-law of a Border Patrol agent, and whether or not she or her son-in-law had any personal ties to the drug runner. You would think that both the Border Patrol and the DEA would have wanted to tap their telephones to see who Aldrete-Davila and Sanchez were talking to on both sides of the border.
(Note: During the trial, the connection between Rene Sanchez and Aldrete-Davila confused the Ramos family, and "we questioned how an agent from Arizona would know or want to defend a drug smuggler from Mexico," said Monica Ramos.)
Furthermore, Aldrete-Davila was given a green card AND a car, at American taxpayer expense, so that he could drive back and forth between Mexico. Aldrete-Davila later broke his immunity agreement in October 2005, when officers say he attempted to smuggle 1,000 pounds of marijuana into America, while driving this tax-payer funded vehicle! U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton further extended immunity to this additional felony and sealed the indictment from jurors. Aldrete-Davila’s arrest record was expunged, and a gag order was issued. The jury was not informed of the second smuggling arrest, and Sutton issued a public statement that Aldrete-Davila was “never arrested” on drug charges.
U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton
Recent Statements made by U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton -
I would much prefer to be here discussing the prosecution of the drug dealer, Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila, and how we put him in prison for 20 years.
(Note: Sutton calls Aldrete-Davila a drug dealer.)
But, unfortunately, we had no case against him, because there was no evidence tying him to that van.
(Note: Sutton says there was NO EVIDENCE tying Aldrete-Davila to the van containing the marijuana.)
We would not even know about him had he not come and the investigators for Homeland Security been able to find him through his family. The way we found him is that he came forward and was in Mexico with a lawyer. So, the only way to get him to testify was to give him immunity from being prosecuted. He wasn't going to agree to come to the United States, he wasn't going to agree to talk, unless he had some kind of immunity from being prosecuted for that load.
(Note: Sutton thought this was a good deal.)
Again, we have to have evidence that we can prove in court. And we don't have any evidence.
(Note: Sutton referring to Aldrete-Davila.)
But the thing is that he refuses to talk. He wouldn't come to America. He refuses to talk. We had to persuade, like we do all the time in court, we have to persuade witnesses to come to court to testify. There are all kinds of witnesses who come forward in court all the time to testify in court because they're persuaded.
(Note: Sutton leading or coaching the witness?)
I can't tell you what's inside Aldrete-Davila's head.
(Note: Aldrete-Davila has 5-million reasons to lie.)
I mean, there are many times we persuade witnesses to come forward to testify in court. But, remember, he didn't make an admission. He refused to make an admission until his lawyer had an agreement for use immunity. He wouldn't come to the United States and we couldn't extradite him because, number one, we didn't have any evidence against him, and, number two, we didn't have a case.
It's one of those situations where we gave up very little by giving him use immunity in this case, because we couldn't prove a case against him. He did not make admissions until we agreed to give him immunity for what he was saying.
(Note: Sutton gave up very little? Only Compean and Ramos.)
Unfortunately, the case against Aldrete-Davila was not prosecutable because of these agents. There was no way to link Aldrete-Davila with that load of marijuana.
(Note: Sutton contradicts himself.)
Apr. 13, 2005, from a statement by U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton's office:
According to the criminal complaint, on or about February 17, 2005, a Mexican National attempting to flee back into Mexico near Fabens, Texas, was shot at by the defendants.
This case is being investigated by the office of Inspector General - Department of Homeland Security.
Aug. 11, 2006, from statement US Attorney Johnny Sutton's office:
“At the initiation of their investigation, the DHS Office of Inspector General contacted Aldrete-Davila who was at the time in Mexico. Aldrete-Davila was at first reluctant to cooperate with the investigation because he feared that should he return to the United States, he could be prosecuted for the offenses committed in relation to the load of marijuana he was driving on February 17, 2005. In order to secure his cooperation and appearance at trial in the United States, this office agreed that in return for his truthful testimony he would not be prosecuted for the February 17, 2005 offenses. The agreement does not immunize any other conduct.”
Later, Sutton issues a fact sheet that makes it sound like the Aldrete-Davila couldn’t possibly be tied to the van of marijuana he was driving - this despite the fact that multiple Border Patrol agents saw him driving the van. No fingerprints? Not even a hair or an eyelash? Doubtful.
On January 17th, 2007, from the misnomered "fact sheet" issued by U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton's office:
Myth: THE GOVERNMENT LET A DRUG SMUGGLER GO FREE
Reality: My office would have much preferred to see Aldrete convicted and sent to prison for his crimes. We are in the business of putting guys like Aldrete behind bars. In fact, this office leads the nation in the number of drug smuggling cases we prosecute. Because the agents could not identify him, found no fingerprints, could not tie him to the van and did not apprehend him after shooting him, the case against Aldrete could not be proven.
How is this a MYTH? By Sutton’s own admission, Aldrete-Davila is a drug smuggler, and he is free (though two of our own law enforcement officers are now in federal prison)! It is NOT a myth, it is fact. Sutton’s spin on it doesn’t make it less factual!
On September 19th, 2006, in a meeting with various Congressmen who were looking into the case, Sutton’s office told the Congressmen (including Ted Poe, John Culberson, Dana Rohrbacher, and others) that Compean and Ramos had made some incriminating admissions and signed statements concerning their own guilt. The Congressmen requested to see those signed statements, and Sutton’s office agreed to produce them immediately. They have failed to do so after repeated demands from the Congressmen’s offices, and four months later, the Congressmen are now doubtful that such statements exist. Did Sutton’s office knowingly LIE to U.S. Congressmen?
It is interesting to note that Johnny Sutton has also aggressively prosecuted a Sheriff’s deputy in Rock Springs, Texas, for allegedly violating the civil rights of illegal aliens he had apprehended. The 23 year old sheriff’s deputy, Deputy Hernandez, had a sterling record, and the Edward County sheriff said Deputy Hernandez was doing exactly what he was told to do. How did the deputy violate the civil rights of the illegal aliens he was trying to apprehend? He shot out the tires of their vehicle when they tried to run over him. One of the bullets struck an illegal alien in the back of the vehicle (he was not killed). Johnny Sutton recommended that the deputy be held without bond. He is sitting in the Del Rio jail today, without bond, and awaiting sentencing.
US Assistant Attorney, Debra Kanof
U.S. Assistant Attorney, Debra Kanof bristled when asked about the Rene Sanchez/Aldrete-Davila connection.
“It's an unconscionable accusation that Sanchez is associated with a drug dealer,” she said. “Most BP agents who are Hispanic have family from Mexico. He was born in the U.S. and raised in Mexico and came back to do high school and later became an agent.”
Assistant U.S. Attorney Debra Kanof claimed out that pursuing suspects is not part of the Border Patrol's job. "Agents are not allowed to pursue," she said. "In order to exceed the speed limit, you have to get supervisor approval, and they did not." Additionally, in the words of Assistant U.S. Attorney Debra Kanof, “It is a violation of Border Patrol regulations to go after someone who is fleeing.”
That's right.
Assistant US Attorney Debra Kanof decreed that if an illegal immigrant, even a drug kingpin or terrorist, flees from a Border Patrol agent, regulations demand that he not further pursue or apprehend the fugitive. US Border Patrol Agents widely disregard this because their own edicts say things like “detouring illegal entries through improved enforcement” and “apprehending and detouring smugglers of humans, drugs and other contraband.”
Judge Kathleen Cardone
Judge Kathleen Cardone - a part-time fitness instructor - was nominated by President George W. Bush on May 1, 2003, to a newly created seat, and was sponsored by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison. Judge Cardone was confirmed by the Senate on July 28, 2003, and received commission on July 29, 2003. Her prior experience had been as a family court judge.
Several of the jurors came forward, a few days before the sentencing of Compean and Ramos in October, to say they had been holdouts against a guilty verdict and only voted with the majority when other jurors told them the judge wouldn't allow a hung jury. They expressed they felt severely pressured.
Judge Cardone denied the motion for a new trial.
Agents Compean and Ramos had filed a motion with the court to remain free on bond while they appealed their case. Despite the fact that the two agents were not deemed a flight risk, Judge Cardone, U. S. District Court, Western District of Texas denied the motion, ordered them to surrender to the US Marshall, and thus, ordered the agents to begin serving their sentences.
US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.
As governor, George W Bush brought Alberto Gonzales into his administration in 1994 as a senior adviser to the governor, chief elections officer, and the governor's lead liaison on Mexican and border issues. Gonzales later became White House Counsel in 2000, when George Bush became President, and was eventually nominated by Bush for Attorney General of the United States. On November 24, 2004, Gonzales, got the backing of the National Council of La Raza:
The NCLR promotes driver's licenses for illegal aliens, no immigration law enforcement by local and state police and amnesty programs broader than the administration's proposal.
La Raza supports legislation such as the Civil Liberties Restoration Act, which would roll back policies adopted after Sept. 11 designed to protect national security. It supports the "DREAM Act," which would mandate states to offer in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens” thus, providing them with benefits not available to U.S. citizens from other states.
The group opposes the “Clear Law Enforcement for Criminal Alien Removal Act of 2003” and the “Homeland Security Enhancement Act” would give state and local police officers the authority to enforce federal immigration laws.
The group also supports legislation to ensure illegal immigrants' ability to obtain driver's licenses.
On March 29th, 2006, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales named U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton to serve as chair for the Attorney General's Advisory Committee of United States Attorneys. (The Advisory Committee plays a vital role in furthering the Department's law enforcement efforts and represents the voice of the United States Attorneys in making Department policy.) Sutton has been a member of the Advisory Committee since 2002.
Johnny Sutton also serves on the Advisory Committee's Border and Immigration Law Enforcement Subcommittee.
Texas Senator John Cornyn
John Cornyn refused to sign a petition presented by Texas Congressman Ted Poe requesting that the Border Patrol agents be released on bond pending their appeal. He has also refused to look at the case further.
Pat Gray, of KSEV radio, called Senator John Cornyn’s office in D.C. to clarify his perspective on the Border Patrol case
He's not taking a stand. He's not taking ANY stand. "As a former Supreme Court Justice, Senator Cornyn believes in the justice system...these agents had their day in court, and if errors were made, they should come out in the appeals process", said Cornyn staffer, Brian Walsh.
A staffer also told a caller that “the Senator had no power to affect anything in the case…he believes these men got what they deserved, and he will not get involved.” That is a quote verbatim from Senator Cornyn’s office.
While Johnny Sutton worked on George Bush’s team in Austin, during Bush’s governorship, John Cornyn was Bush’s Attorney General. As well, Cornyn appointed a John Sutton, dean of UT Law School (and of the age to be Johnny Sutton’s father or uncle), to be a member of his D.C. transition team.
Texas Congressman Michael McCaul
Michael McCaul refused to sign the petition presented by Congressman Ted Poe requesting that the Border Patrol agents be released on bond pending their appeal. As well, McCaul is Chairman of the Homeland Security Subcommittee on Investigations and in that capacity he refused to subpoena documents concerning the case, and refused to hold a hearing to review the case, which was within his purview.
What’s interesting is that Michael McCaul is a former employee of U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton.
Full circle…
U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton gave immunity to Mexican national, career criminal, drug smuggler, Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila in order to pursue his prosecution of U.S. Border Patrol Agents Jose Alonso Compean and Ignacio Ramos.
A criminal by definition does not follow or obey the law. Since he was given immunity from prosecution, Aldrete-Davila has violated his immunity deal at least twice.
Federal Judge Kathleen Cardone agreed with Sutton to not allow the jury to see or know about:
● The sealed indictment of Aldrete-Davila for his second arrest for drug smuggling in October 2005, after the incident when he was supposedly the victim of agents Ramos and Compean.
● Aldrete-Davila's agreeing to not withhold any information, then refusing to divulge the names of his fellow smugglers who picked him up at the border.
What does a cartel drug lord, with the audacity to put a bounty on the heads of the US Border Patrol Agents, do to a drug mule that loses his merchandise - $1 million dollars worth? Is it possible that within the weeks after Aldrete-Davila abandoned his load of drugs on the American side of the border, that he was shot by the drug cartel for whom he worked? Is it possible that he allowed himself to be “persuaded” by Johnny Sutton to be taken into protective custody in order to gain sanctuary from his employer? Alternatively, did this cartel drug lord have friends high enough in the Vicente Fox government to apply pressure on the Bush Administration?
Think about it: If Compean had shot Aldrete-Davila, a blood trail would have started at the levee.
If Ramos had shot Aldrete-Davila, a blood trail would have started closer to the border.
Based solely on Aldrete-Davila's testimony, with NO EVIDENCE or even a mention of a blood trail, both Compean and Ramos were convicted of shooting him. That's right. There was NO EVIDENCE of any blood to indicate which officer shot him.
It is just as likely that Aldrete-Davila was shot by the drug cartel boss in Mexico who would have been irate about losing over a million dollars in contraband.
● How much tax-payer money was used for this case?
● If there is no way to connect Aldrete-Davila to the van-load of marijuana, then why does Johnny Sutton keep tying him to the van-load of marijuana?
● If, as Sutton claimed in one statement, Aldrete-Davila was merely illegally entering the country, why was there a get-away van waiting for him on the Mexican side of the border?
● If there was no evidence – no blood, no fingerprints – from the scene, and no way to prove he was there, then why would Sutton accept every word of Aldrete-Davila?
● With the extremely lax chain of custody that occurred, with only a partial fragment of bullet removed, who shot Aldrete-Davila?
● Where is the bullet fragment?
● Where are the court transcripts? Repeated requests by Congressmen have been met with statement from the court that they are not yet transcribed. Why have they not been completed almost half a year after the conclusion of the case?
● Why was Aldrete-Davila given immunity - TWICE - plus a green card, and a car?
(W&C Report declares that Johnny Sutton's explanations smell like 3-day old mackerel left to rot in the sun.)
Edd Hendy, of KSEV radio, spoke with the Sheriff of El Paso County, the highest ranking law enforcement officer in the county, and asked if the proceedings were legitimate or should the case be objected to and reviewed. The Sheriff said, “These guys are getting screwed.”
Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila is now suing the US Border Patrol for $5-million for violating his civil rights, and Compean and Ramos are each doing over 12 years hard time.
It's rumored inside the beltway that President Bush will appoint Johnny Sutton to the federal bench before he leaves office on Jan. 20, 2009.
Breaking News...
No word yet on whether President Bush contacted and spoke with the families of Compean and Ramos.
Congress is considering passing its own pardon powers.
Read Rep. Michael McCaul's letter.
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Time for 2016?
Well, since Hillary has already won the presidential election for 2008, and she will assuredly win again in 2012, perhaps we should just accept her manifest destiny as our supreme ruler and focus on who she would want us to elect to replace her in 2012.
Will it be Chelsea? That would certainly be the logical progression of annointed rulers, wouldn't it? If Hillary tells us that's what we should do, then we should do it, since she is the smartest woman in the world. So perhaps 2016 and 2020 will be Chelsea. Maybe we should just wait until 2024 before we consider electing some that's, well, not a Clinton. I guess we'll have to wait for Hillary to tell us because we're so stupid.
And we have to pay attention to what the media says, because after all, not only is Hillary the smartest woman in the world, she's also the first female presidential candidate (and might be black like her husband, too).
Oh wait, that's not right, actually Victoria Claflin Woodhull, way back in 1870 was first. Well, surely, based on the media drooling, Hillary is the first since then, right? Well, not quite. There was Belva Ann Lockwood in 1884 AND 1888. Well, perhaps she's the first in recent history. Except for Margaret Chase Smith who ran for the Republican nomination in 1964.
So maybe she's the first Democrat woman to run. Oops. Don't forget Shirley Chisholm, Patsy Mink, and Bella Abzug who ALL ran on the Democrat ticket in 1972. And let's not forget Elizabeth Dole in 2000 and Carol Moseley Braun in 2004.
Look, a woman running for president is nothing new. But the news media is absolutely frothing at the mouth to be the first to be her lap dogs. Don't look for one serious question to be asked by anyone anywhere in the formerly mainstream media, because they absolutely love and adore this woman. The major networks and newspapers across the country are already heavily campaigning to get this woman elected. She's winning a poll already, and look for her to be ahead in every single poll conducted between now and 2020.
So, what's Clinton's biggest campaign issue? What's the most important thing to her that she wants to do as president? What's the most significant problem facing the country today that only she can fix?
Freedom. Specifically, there's too much of it, and she's going to stop that.
How? Well, in her announcement, she claims that "It's simply wrong" that people have the freedom to earn money. She says that "it's simply wrong" that people have the freedom to select their own doctors. She claims "it's simply wrong" that people have the freedom to pay others to fix their medical ailments -- and she's going to stop them.
Never mind Iran building nuclear weapons. Don't worry about those silly Chinese communists and their missiles. Forget that whole escalation in the middle east. The southern border? No, that's no big deal. And never mind those pesky terrorists. The most important issue facing America today, according to Clinton, is that a few people don't have health insurance.
My only hope is that over the next year the freedom-despising and America-hating Democrats that run the Congress will screw things up so badly that enough people will actually wake up and realize how deadly and destructive a Clinton presidency would be that they won't elect her in droves. And yes, I'm aware that it is only a tiny bit of hope.
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Three decades of Bush-Clinton rule, YIPPEE!!!! And they say we don't have royal families in the U.S.!
Posted by: Echo Zoe at January 23, 2007 07:11 PM (8POA1)
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Hey, are you questioning the Royal decision-makers? I think someone needs some re-education...
Posted by: Ogre at January 23, 2007 07:12 PM (oifEm)
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... or in Hillary's words "dialog"
Posted by: Echo Zoe at January 23, 2007 07:15 PM (8POA1)
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You're still talking? Those government troops are getting slow...

Posted by: Ogre at January 23, 2007 07:27 PM (oifEm)
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Gag me. First it was Pelosi. Now Clinton.
Estrogen (or the severe lack of it actually) is going to KILL AMERICA.
Posted by: Raven at January 24, 2007 02:00 AM (2VAMH)
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Be quiet you. They will tell you what to think.
Posted by: Ogre at January 24, 2007 02:12 AM (pHUVv)
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Ogre, I don't much care about the dynasty issue. The fact is the best Governor in the country is Jeb BUSH. To disqualify ANYONE because of who their family is stinks and prevents us from choosing the best person for the job.
Think about it this way Jeb or MItt?
Jeb or Guiliani? Starts to get easier doesn't it?
Posted by: David at January 24, 2007 06:13 AM (FzAwx)
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Given those choices, David, I select "None of the Above." I choose Tom Tancredo.
Posted by: Ogre at January 24, 2007 12:24 PM (oifEm)
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Passports Required to Enter U.S.
There's only one possible reaction to this announcement:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Are these people really so stupid? Are they honestly that utterly and totally ignorant of reality? Have they ever seen a border to this country? According to the article
Americans flying to Mexico, Canada and the Caribbean made sure to bring their passports Monday because of a new rule going into effect Tuesday that requires them to show one to get back into the country.
That's completely not true. If you're coming from Mexico, you need no papers, no passport, no documentation of any kind. If anyone who looks official or may be wearing a uniform asks you for anything, just run. They have a formal policy that states that they cannot chase you. In many cases, perhaps a fast walk will be enough to get them off your trail.
On the other hand, when you enter Mexico, you might want to be sure your papers are in order. While that country has no issues with exporting all their problem citizens and violent criminals, they will shoot you if you run from them.
So if you're traveling, do bring your passport and identification papers. You will need them to leave the United States and enter another country, but you absolutely do not need them to re-enter the US. After all, if any government official does chase you, you'll likely get a cash settlement from the government. After all, repeat violent drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila did.
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I went to mexico once by accident. it was really fun trying to get back into the US.
and nogales is a real dump.
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Posted by: birdwoman at January 23, 2007 03:55 PM (vR7Sl)
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All you had to do was run and they absolutely WILL NOT pursue you. That is official US Border Patrol policy!
Posted by: Ogre at January 23, 2007 03:57 PM (oifEm)
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Hmm… It’s a very interesting rule!
Posted by: AlRom at January 25, 2007 12:22 PM (pGt94)
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Too bad it won't make one bit of difference.
Posted by: Ogre at January 25, 2007 12:23 PM (oifEm)
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NC on Stem Cells
300,000 people in Western North Carolina have weighed in (subscription required - use BugMeNot) on their opinion on government spending: they don't want more of it.
Now while even those involved in this action -- Catholics -- are framing this as a personal choice and morality issue, it really isn't. Their entire reason for opposing the proposed law this year is because of the value they place upon life:
There's never any justifiable reason to take a human life, even if it is in the very (early) stages of human life, because the embryo has a genetic makeup distinct from the mother, distinct from the father ? a human being has come into existence
That's all fine and good. But if you oppose them and support the proposed law because you think that there should be research on stem cells, you're just wrong. The law isn't about allowing or banning ANYTHING. The law, if passed, does not make research on stem cells legal. If the law doesn't pass, it doesn't make research illegal. Instead, as with the national level, this is about government spending.
The law would actually increase GOVERNMENT SPENDING on research with stem cells. Keep in mind all the various diseases that have been eliminated from stem cell research:
And keep in mind, NO ONE is stopping ANYONE from actually doing this research. If you want to research using stem cells, YOU GO AHEAD. There is no government or government agency that will stop you in any way, shape or form. Instead, what this is about is SPENDING MONEY. And it's MY money that you're spending if you support this bill.
Say what you want about the actual research, but at least be honest when you talk about supporting the bill. If you support this bill, you support increased spending by government, plain and simple.
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This doesn't make sense from a fiscal viewpoint at all. Embryonic stem cell research has been a rat hole. There has not been one single advancement from this line of study. On the other hand, there have been MANY advances from the other lines. Results matter. Let's not waste more taxpayers money on failed programs with great sounding names.
Posted by: David at January 23, 2007 02:04 PM (FzAwx)
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Exactly right, David. From a fiscal point, this makes absolutely no sense. But that's not the view that the Democrats take.
In order to get stem cells, they need to kill babies. So they support stem cell research, regardless of anything else. In the mind of the Democrat, abortion is the holy grail and must be supported at all costs at all times.
Posted by: Ogre at January 23, 2007 02:24 PM (oifEm)
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As a scientist, I do not ever like the "there's been no sufficient developments, so we should can the general research" arguments. That's short sighted.
However, the gubmint should stay out of embryonic stem-cell funding. There are too many people who are opposed to it to force them to fund it.
And there are enough rich folks out there who would fund it, out of a sense of moral and intellectual superiority.
My real question is, why are common sense and government such diametrically opposing terms?
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Posted by: birdwoman at January 23, 2007 04:00 PM (vR7Sl)
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Absolutely correct -- if this research has potential, there will be enormous piles of money thrown at it -- and it won't be government money (and shouldn't be).
Common sense goes out the window because the vast majority in government absolutely refuse to understand that it's not their money they are spending. They see it as their own money and they are obligated to spend as much as they can.
Posted by: Ogre at January 23, 2007 07:11 PM (oifEm)
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Pet Rules
To be posted VERY LOW on the refrigerator door - snout height.
Dear Dogs and Cats,
The dishes with the paw prints are yours and contain your food. The other dishes are mine and contain my food. Please note, placing a paw print in the middle of my plate of food does not stake a claim for it becoming your food and dish, nor do I find that aesthetically pleasing in the slightest.
The stairway was not designed by NASCAR and is not a racetrack. Beating me to the bottom is not the object. Tripping me doesn't help because I fall faster than you can run.
I cannot buy anything bigger than a king sized bed. I am very sorry about this. Do not think I will continue sleeping on the couch to ensure your comfort. Dogs and cats can actually curl up in a ball when they sleep. It is not necessary to sleep perpendicular to each other stretched out to the fullest extent possible. I also know that sticking tails straight out and having tongues hanging out the other end to maximize space is nothing but sarcasm.
For the last time, there is not a secret exit from the bathroom. If by some miracle I beat you there and manage to get the door shut, it is not necessary to claw, whine, meow, try to turn the knob or get your paw under the edge and try to pull the door open. I must exit through the same door I entered. Also, I have been using the bathroom for years --canine or feline attendance is not mandatory.
The proper order is kiss me, then go smell the other dog or cat's butt. I cannot stress this enough!
To pacify you, my dear pets, I have posted the following message on our front door:
To All Non-Pet Owners Who Visit & Like to Complain About Our Pets
1. They live here. You don't.
2. If you don't want their hair on your clothes, stay off the furniture. (That's why they call it "fur"niture.)
3. I like my pets a lot better than I like most people.
Remember: Dogs and cats are better than kids because they:
1. Eat less
2. Don't ask for money all the time
3. Are easier to train
4. Usually come when called
5. Never drive your car
6. Don't hang out with drug-using friends
7. Don't smoke or drink
8. Don't worry about having to buy the latest fashions
9. Don't wear your clothes
10. Don't need a gazillion dollars for college, and
11. If they get pregnant, you can sell their children.
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"Don't worry about having to buy the latest fashions "
Ummm ....
ya you do. We have decided to try dog parks this year. I am going crazy trying to make sure they have fashionable clothes to wear when we go!
Posted by: Quality Weenie at January 22, 2007 08:45 PM (BksWB)
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Otherwise, all the rest is true.
Our dogs, I swear, grow to German Sheppard size at bedtime and then shrink back down in the morning. Many a nights I have come close to falling off the bed because of those bed hogs.
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"Dog parks?" CLOTHES? They have fur!!!

Posted by: Ogre at January 22, 2007 09:32 PM (pHUVv)
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)) This post made me laugh!
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Vote Hook
In case you weren't aware, the VA Mortgage Center is sponsoring a contest to determine the best mil-blogger based on votes by the public. And they're offering a $5,000 prize! There's a number of GREAT blogs on that list. I read a few of them quite often. But one of them got a vote request to me, so I'm going to vote for him. Asking for a vote is half the battle. Here's the request:
I'm 48 yards from the end zone with six seconds left on the clock and down by just one score...
As some of you know, Sgt Hook has been nominated for Best Milblog over at VA Mortgage Center Blog and the voting has been tight. A big thank you to those who have helped keep me afloat this far, but I think it's time to throw my "Hail Mary" pass in hopes of moving into the lead with just 24 hours left in the voting.
For those who don't know, should I win, I plan on using the prize money to finance a trip to Washington D.C. in May for the annual Milblog Conference, with any leftovers going to the Fisher House.
As I throw this long ball, I'm asking you to consider voting for Sgt Hook and asking everyone you know on the planet to do the same. Thank you for that consideration in advance, and if I don't score that touchdown, I hope to see you all around Sgt Hook in the future.
VOTE HERE.
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Won't you go give him a vote? I did.
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Discount-Mats.com
In case you're looking for a place NOT to buy mats, Discount-Mats.com is a place to avoid. In case you haven't gotten the various emails that are making the rounds, this place openly admits it's scorn and hatred of the United States troops in Iraq. And no, this isn't one where they can claim they're supporting the troops, because they openly declare that they wouldn't even ALLOW the troops to purchase their products.
From
Snopes:
Below is an email exchange between a friend of mine's husband and a company that sells different types of mats. He is stationed in Iraq and was inquiring as to whether or not the company ships overseas. He wanted to get the troops better gear to sleep on. This is the companies response. I am floored. I am floored as a military wife and as an American. Please repost this so that this company will hear us loud and clear that we do not stand for this. Whatever your view is on this war - these troops are just following orders. Most are passionate about what they are doing. You can disagree with the war without disrespecting our troops.
From: SGT Jason Hess
Sent: Tue Jan 16 3:25
Do you ship to APO addresses? I'm in the 1st Cavalry Division stationed in Iraq and we are trying to order some mats but we are looking for who ships to APO first.
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From: contact@discount-mats.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: Feedback: from discount-mats.com
SGT Hess,
We do not ship to APO addresses, and even if we did, we would NEVER ship to Iraq. If you were sensible, you and your troops would pull out of Iraq.
Bargain Suppliers
Discount-Mats.com
Strangely enough, if you try to go to their web site now, it says, "Discount-Mats.com is Experiencing Technical Difficulties..."
Good. Miserable bums.
*** Update:
Welcome new readers! If you found this site via a search engine and like what you see, be sure to follow the link at the top of the page to the main page and see what else we're talking about.
Recently a site that provided a large amount of public information about these anti-American Pakistanis has been hacked as they attempted to hide the information from being exposed to the public. To help spread the word about this information, I will be mirroring updates from
Euphoric Reality from time-to-time. Here's a few:
The Muslim Website Connection
UPDATE 1 Jan 21 1226:
The company’s domain is registered to:
Faisal Khetani
PO Box 270693
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53227
Administrative Contact:
Khetani, Faisal sportsfitness@gmail.com
3259 S.106th Street
West Allis, Wisconsin 53227
United States
(414) 543-9634 Fax
Site is down and experiencing technical difficulties
UPDATE 2: Jan 21 :
Since the Discount Mats website is still down with technical difficulties, here is another avenue of approach:
Faisal Khetani is also a supposed fitness expert/consultant and publisher of some fitness publications like the Dream Body newsletter. His other website is Weight Lifting Workout Routines. Another email address is: contact@weight-lifting-workout-routines.com
Another phone number: 414-736-8394
This additional venture of Khetani’s is also registered to the same above contact information. It’s definitely the same guy.
UPDATE 3: Jan 21
Snopes has since qualified their entry with this statement (as of this afternoon):
Since we’ve only heard from one side, we can’t yet rule out the possibility (as occurred with a similar email) that Sgt. Hess may have received a response from someone who was not authorized to be corresponding with the business’ customers.
They’ve also changed the button from green (”True”
to yellow to indicate “a statement of undetermined or ambiguous veracity”.
However, if the company owner wished to clear his good company’s name, and blame some nameless, faceless non-authorized employee, wouldn’t he respond to the inquiries by Snopes?
UPDATE 4: Jan 22
Faisal Khetani’s websites are all linked together, and are also linked to Quality Discount Scooters owned by Ahmed Bushra and Basketball Drills and Plays owned by Sajid Nasir.
Registered through: Teknon Domains
Domain Name: QUALITY-DISCOUNT-SCOOTERS.COM
Created on: 06-Dec-05
Expires on: 06-Dec-08
Last Updated on: 06-Dec-05
Administrative Contact:
Bushra, Ahmed qscooters@gmail.com
3270 W American Dr
Greenfield, Wisconsin 53221
United States
414-736-5971
Domain Name: www.basketball-drills-and-plays.com
Administrative Contact:
Sajid Nasir (sajidnasir@gmail.com)
+1.0014143240427
Fax:
3270 W American Dr
Greenfield, WI 53221
US
Creation date: 08 Mar 2003 03:22:22
Expiration date: 08 Mar 2007 03:22:22
Now there are some interesting coincidences about all these websites owned by Muslims who happen to all live in the Milwaukee area. The sports sites, one owned by Faisal and the other owned by Sajid are the exact same format and established the same month. They are nothing more than low-grade generic copy-and-paste sports information. The blogs were set up with a few token blog entries, with generic links (one even uses the sample Wordpress links that come with the blog), and then abandoned. Likewise, the Discount Mats and Discount Scooters sites share similar formatting and generic links.
So what’s the deal with these mostly fake websites? I’m just askin’…
If I lived in the Milwaukee area, I’d be doin’ more than askin’…I’d be driving by the addresses above to see what’s what with those locations.
UPDATE 5: Jan 23
The VP of Discount Mats also happens to be the owner of Basketball Drills and Plays, Sajid Nasir. These Muslims are all inter-connected through their bogus websites. Interesting…
As well, Faisal Khetani, 24, runs his business out of his home, where he lives with his parents, Ramzan and Amina Khetani (both aged 55). (Ramzan Khetani works for the State of Wisconsin in their engineering department for state facilities. Does that ring any alarms for anyone?) His parents have been sure to tell the media that they “support the troops.” But Khetani has not bothered to say anything like that. However, we’re meant to believe Khetani when he says he “fired” that “employee”. Whatever. Let’s not be naive: there was no employee. His so-called business (which I’m thinking is not legit) is run out of his home, for pete’s sake.
UPDATE 6: Jan 23
Snopes has changed their classification again to “True” (green button). As well, they have updated their webpage with some stern statements from his buddy and so-called VP, Sajid Nasir:
“It’s really getting out of control,” said Nasir, who described the messages as “angry and vulgar.”
UPDATE 7: Jan 23
Fox picked up the story, as did Rush Limbaugh in his first hour today, and Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.
UPDATE 8: Jan 23
From Newsbusters, who picked up this story two days later with no attribution to the bloggers (US!) who did all the work on outing this guy, but only cited the Milwaukee Journal and Fox:
Khetani claims that the person responsible for this ignorant affront to a US soldier was fired. In a recent communication with Miss. Kirkland, Khetani said “As I told my local reporters, the individual who made those statements has been held responsible and liable and what they spoke of apo addresses is absolutely true, but the second half was their own personal opinion and not the opinions of the company.”
Khetani also confirmed, though, that he and the members of his company are also against the efforts in Iraq which seems to contradict his first claim that the fired employee’s email didn’t represent the company.
I will say this, my company most certainly doesn’t support the war, and we do hope that the policies will change. However the personal opinions stated by the former member of Discount-Mats.com were very strong and personal and other members within our company certainly feel that his actions were not justified.
Let us hope that this man’s company finds a corresponding measure of “success” in equal levels with his support for the country to which he has immigrated in order to make his fortune.
In that same letter, Khetani also threatened Kirkland with unleashing the wrath of “major muslim organizations” on her for her “insults”. He closed by telling Kirkland, “you can be sure that there are million of muslim activists as well that will do something about your foul statements…. your statements against Muslims and your direct insults will not go unheard, I assure you.”
Threats, indeed. Bring it on, Muslim.
UPDATE 9: Jan 23 1329
I’ve found another bogus website affiliated with this Muslim group: Jewelry Spot, set up by 24 year-old engineering student Ahmed Bushra in June of ‘06, and like the other blogs, abandoned soon thereafter.
(414) 967-9509
2495 N Oakland Ave
Milwaukee, WI 53211
(map)
UPDATE TEN: Jan 23 1355 Tip from 1st Cav RVN (thank you, darlin’!)
Sajid Nasir, the so-called VP for Discount-Mats, is also a Muslim activist at UW-Milwaukee:
American Society of Muslim Students (Check out that link and this one!)
Classification: Social Action
Mail: Union Box 297
Office: Union 355
229-3078
Contacts:
Adam Abdi
Sajid Nasir
Email: muhamma2@uwm.edu
Purpose: Promotion of the teachings of Al-Islam in conjunction with UWM standards.
Activities: Lectures, seminars, forums, sales, exhibition, conventions, gatherings.
He penned this pungent missive to the Badger Herald:
Letters to the Editor
Thursday, February 16, 2006
Printing of cartoon hateful
After I heard that your newspaper reprinted the cartoons, I was deeply disturbed and sadened [sic]. I couldn’t help but ask, “why would they do something like this…why do they hate us?” I thought the university environment was supposed to encourage diversity, and learning, not bigetory [sic] and hatred. I personally demand that your paper appologizes [sic], and admits its mistake by reprinting the hatefull [sic] cartoons.
Sajid Nasir
UW-Milwaukee
As well, and in addition to the basketball drills and plays website, Nasir runs Yoga-Advice: another generic, copy-and-paste junk info website (with a dead blog, too):
Yoga-Advice
Contact: Sajid Nasir
1020 E Pleasant St
Phone: 414-324-0427
Milwaukee,WI 53212
How many bogus websites is that now? SIX?
UPDATE 11: Jan 23 1500
Faisal Khetani’s brother, Salman RamzanAli Khetani, is a Ph.D. with a B.S. in Electrical and Biomedical Engineering from my alma mater, Marquette University, and a fellowship award honorable mention from the National Science Foundation. When you do a google search for Salman Khetani, you’ll find that Salman Khetani is quite knowledgable and involved in toxicity studies, engineered tissue, and disease studies. Might be nothing. At the very least, it’s… interesting.
(H/T to
Euphoric Reality). In addition,
Ms Underestimated has some video coverage.
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This is awful. You cannot constantly berate our troops, like the Democratically controlled congress is doing without giving cover to haters like this. "If you were sensible" brings to mind the hateful comments of Kerry and Rangell. Poor stupid troops...just not sensible enough to leave.
Perhaps they are there for the good of our nation?
These kinds of letters to the troops test my patience. Don't they understand that these men are putting their lives on the line on a daily basis?
Posted by: David at January 22, 2007 07:23 PM (FzAwx)
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Hey, vote with your wallet. Hope the bastages go out of business.
and that a terrorist blows up their shop before they go out of business.
(*)>
Posted by: birdwoman at January 22, 2007 09:05 PM (vR7Sl)
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According to the domain name registration, well, let's just say the domain is owned by someone with an Arabic name...
Posted by: Ogre at January 22, 2007 09:33 PM (pHUVv)
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this just proves you cant trust ANY of them!this relgion is nothing more than a cult.and the money they make here is being put to our throat!just look how they treat others in the rest of the world where they dominate.
Posted by: russ at January 23, 2007 05:11 AM (2MDSw)
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Even if the owner distances himself/herself from
unprofessional, filled with hatred employee,
and dismissed him for this despicable act,
I believe this is sole responsibility of the owner, to train properly his employees no to act
so unprofessional, and to select right employees
to work for him/her. Therefore, just
conveniently firing the stupid employee is too little too late for the owner. He should take full responsibility for that as well. If I was the owner...well but I'm not. Let's see what else is he/she going to do after conveniently firing the employee?
Posted by: johnsobieski at January 23, 2007 05:36 AM (6D4Wj)
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Here is the contact info for these dirtbags.
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To reach us by phone, please call us between 9 a.m. - 5 p.m. central time: 414-736-8394
Here is our mailing address:
Bargain Suppliers
3259 S.106th Street
West Allis, WI 53227
Posted by: Greg at January 23, 2007 06:05 AM (A8mtj)
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Thanks for that info, Greg. And thanks, everyone for stopping along.
Posted by: Ogre at January 23, 2007 12:39 PM (oifEm)
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I would like o believe that the company does not share the views of this misguided and ignorant employee. You may not agree with the action in Iraq, but you must support the troops in their volunteer service in defending our interests and our country, at a meager, pay for the risk involved.
Jim Balserak, Col, MC, CFS
162nd FW AzANG
Posted by: Jim Balserak, Col, MC, CFS at January 23, 2007 01:25 PM (tTYDi)
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I would like to believe that the company does not share the views of this misguided and ignorant employee. You may not agree with the action in Iraq, but you must support the troops in their volunteer service in defending our interests and our country, at a meager, pay for the risk involved.
Jim Balserak, Col, MC, CFS
162nd FW AzANG
Posted by: Jim Balserak, Col, MC, CFS at January 23, 2007 01:25 PM (tTYDi)
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I'd like to, too, Jim, but I don't think that's the case.
The company's domain is registered to:
Faisal Khetani
PO Box 270693
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53227
Posted by: Ogre at January 23, 2007 02:02 PM (oifEm)
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I hope to god they fold and go out of bussiness ...tried to cantact them .website says they are having tecnical difficulties...
Scum sucking bottom feeding arrogant Bastards.
AL Pollock
Mt. Hope NY
Posted by: Al Pollock at January 23, 2007 03:44 PM (cKut2)
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We're checking this out, there's a few other sites closely associate with this one -- dead blogs that look rather strange. And yes, the website strangely got shut down a day or so after this letter was sent to Sgt Hess.
Posted by: Ogre at January 23, 2007 03:55 PM (oifEm)
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I know we all have the right to freedom of speech in this country and thank god we do and the soldiers that fought for it,so let him say what he wants and when ever there is a problem at this company let the fire fighter and police be sensible not to worry if the problem is taken care of. For all it is is a mat company who cares if they have problems for they do not care for the troops. No matter how you feel about the war you do no take it out on the troopss. They fight nd die for our freedom so if u do not like it then leave the country.
Posted by: Ken Stuart at January 23, 2007 04:21 PM (mjvfN)
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Rush Limbaugh is covering the story. It'll be a long time before these jerks are conducting online business again.
Posted by: David in California at January 23, 2007 05:45 PM (CVuMo)
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http://www.doa.state.wi.us/staff_detail.asp?staffid=1565&divid=6
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Posted by: screw them at January 23, 2007 06:23 PM (/dCAJ)
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Nice link there. That links, apparently, to the father of the person who runs Discount-Mats -- with whom he lives.
Thank you all for stopping by.
Posted by: Ogre at January 23, 2007 07:16 PM (oifEm)
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This dirtbag won't even answer his phone. The voice mail said the voice mail box is full.
Posted by: larry hanratty at January 23, 2007 09:23 PM (Hz1cX)
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This is so disgusting as to be outrageous. I hope this gets passed around enough to put this company out of business.
Support our troops! They are there for us, can we not be here for them???
Posted by: Sandra at January 23, 2007 10:08 PM (z226A)
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Here's a home address for our "friend" Faisal...229 West Orchard Street, Milwaukee, WI
Posted by: Jeff at January 23, 2007 10:12 PM (dhqr3)
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Of course it's full, Larry, everyone is calling to complain! And Sandra, it appears the company was a very small one (perhaps even a front company) and I don't think it will sell one more mat anywhere.
Posted by: Ogre at January 23, 2007 10:13 PM (pHUVv)
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Boycott discount-mats.com (414) 736-8394 and remind "Faisal" that Americans support their troops and their Commander and Chief. If you would like to contact "Faisal" and remind him what it means to be a good American, his address is 229 West Orchard St. Milwaukee, WI. Personally, I hope this arrogant little jihadist is run right out of the country.
Posted by: George Best at January 23, 2007 10:40 PM (VtHjv)
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I bet they change the company name and stay in business.
Posted by: Ree at January 23, 2007 11:05 PM (xWI5c)
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F* the troops, they are murderers and rapists. I smile when I see them come back in bodybags.
Posted by: f-thetroops at January 23, 2007 11:11 PM (GUxTE)
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According to FOX the site is registered to Faisal Khetani, an American Muslim of Pakistani descent.
Time to boycott all shops owned by Muslim, unless they prove that they fully support the USA and leave Islam to live like a regular person.
Posted by: abk at January 23, 2007 11:22 PM (QZGP9)
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Is there a way to find out if they distribute their products to other companies? I want to boycott every possible venue of sales from these guys.
If anyone knows, please post
Posted by: Cooline at January 23, 2007 11:25 PM (Xgh7J)
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Khetani you nasty son of a bitch, those are the same soldiers that have given you the opportunity to live a free and comfortable life and you have the audacity to live in our country and insult our soldiers who are trying to free those stupid, ignorant, illiterate muslims who cant think for themselves (much like you)and who doesnt see they are being used as pawns for power hungry,idiots who unlike the masses are educated, live in palaces and have servants. If they so believed what they were doing why dont they strap a bomb to themselves or their kids bodies??? dont think so you idiot. Open your eyes and apologize to our soldiers you nasty son of a bitch.!!! As my father always said," the only good madinga (muslim) is a dead one" GO TO HELL YOU PIECE OF SHIT!!!
Posted by: TG-Bone at January 23, 2007 11:28 PM (Eodj2)
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I am outraged. Discount-Mats response to a member of our military is borderline treason.
It is giving aid & comfort to the enemy!
If he has problems with U.S. Forces, he should pack up and go back where he came from.
Marie
Posted by: Marie Glover at January 23, 2007 11:34 PM (JtGDD)
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This business is not far ( bout 15 mins away7 from my house ) which is in milwaukee, Im already organizing some people and calling the local affilate channels to bust this wide open here in milwaukee. This is simply a further observation of how this country is being used and comsumed by the very people willing to do her harm.
Mr Talibani or watever your name is how bout this , why dont you get out of MY country, Quit BILKING my tax dollars by giving your buisnesses to your family members after 7 years so that you can get that bs break from our government that you all bash all the time and then use that money to buy up all inner city businesses here in milwaukee.
Another funny thing is watching these guys use our laws and our rights like freedom of speech to defend their comments and actions.
People need to start waking the hell up in this country.
Posted by: Jason at January 23, 2007 11:52 PM (lGfJR)
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Why is our government allowing these Muslim bastards into our country? They should deport them all....send them back to the Third World shit holes they came from. I hope Faisal Khetani gets some particularly gruesome, painful cancer and dies slowly and agonizingly back in his beautiful Pakistan.
An "unnamed employee" my tired ass. Homeland Security needs to be looking at the Khetani clan..................
Posted by: Julie at January 23, 2007 11:52 PM (782GQ)
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Where are these lunatic's business located at? I'm sure if its posted on the web, a TRUE American will see that this place never does any further business in the US. Tell me that its near me, tell me please.
Posted by: frank at January 23, 2007 11:56 PM (/VunA)
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Here some info on the scum bag if you want to get a bit more intimate with him!
Technical Contact:
Khetani, Faisal sportsfitness@gmail.com
3259 S.106th Street
West Allis, Wisconsin 53227
United States
(414) 543-9634 Fax --
Posted by: mats-r-us at January 24, 2007 12:07 AM (dXbon)
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Shame on your company,and shame on the person who replied to that soldier. We all should be doing everything we can to make our soldiers more comfortable and help them in any way we can, and some a**h*** from your company replies like that. Our soldiers are over there putting their lives on the line,away from their families, the least you can do is send them some mats to sleep on. Just remember next time your company makes any money....Freedom Is Not Free, It's Thanks To Our Fightine Men and Women.
God Bless Our Troops & God Bless The People Who Support Them.
Posted by: Marcia at January 24, 2007 12:38 AM (MKPit)
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I’d like to urge everyone to boycott the other companies owned by Bargain Suppliers and
Capital Innovations LLC, their parent company and also to contact them with your thoughts on this matter.
Here’s contact information.
Discount-mats.com
Bargain Suppliers
3259 S.106th Street
West Allis, WI 53227
contact@discount-mats.com
414-736-8394
Capital Renovations LLC
9035 S 49th ST,
Franklin, Wisconsin 53132
sportsfitness@gmail.com
414-807-6455
414-423-6209 (fax)
Quality-discount-scooters.com
Bargain Suppliers
3259 S. 106th Street
West Allis, WI 53227
contact@quality-discount-scooters.com
1-800-351-3494
Informercial-bargains.com
Bargain Suppliers
PO Box 270693
Miilwaukee, WI 53227
Posted by: angry greek god at January 24, 2007 12:54 AM (Vl42/)
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I think these arab nut sacks need to leave the country if they know whats good for them! If it were legal... Oh man would i have some fun.
Posted by: Kevin at January 24, 2007 01:27 AM (+Egzm)
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Indeed, Kevin, indeed!
Thank you all for stopping along!
Posted by: Ogre at January 24, 2007 01:29 AM (pHUVv)
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Good tracking of this one. Reading all the blogs on this reminds me of a thread I am reading in a book titled "Illicit" by Moisés Naím.
In it, the international trade of goods is interwoven with illicit goods ... and linked to terrorist activity and illegal trade.
This Muslim Pakistani family bears close watching, investigation of personal and internet contacts; need handover to DHS.
Posted by: Butch Rose at January 24, 2007 01:33 AM (YadGF)
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There's certainly something fishy going on here. Whether anyone in government will pay attention is unknown, because they might "offend" someone if they investigate.
Posted by: Ogre at January 24, 2007 01:34 AM (pHUVv)
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Kevin:
Legal?!! Playing "legal" is exactly what those numbnut 72-virgins-in-paradise-seeking religiously confused dwarfs are counting on. How long do you think it'll take until a Vietnam or Gulf war, or Iraqi/Pakistani conflict vet will hunt down Faisal, and gleefully run him thru a Wisconsin woodchipper?
Posted by: G.I. Joe at January 24, 2007 01:54 AM (p1fJ6)
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Wow. OK I just C & P all this info about who to boycott. I will not patronage any company that treats our Marines and soldiers like this. NO WAY.
Gettem where it counts. The cash register!
Posted by: Raven at January 24, 2007 01:55 AM (2VAMH)
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I gotta believe that the INS and FBI are all over these rat bastards!!!!!!!
Posted by: TB at January 24, 2007 02:06 AM (ZPASC)
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Exactly, G.I.Joe, they are using our Democracy and freedoms to destroy the Republic and create an Islamic nation.
And TB, I sure HOPE the government people are on this one, but again, if they might offend someone, they're not touching this. I'm surprised CAIR hasn't already sued someone over this.
Posted by: Ogre at January 24, 2007 02:10 AM (pHUVv)
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Most Americans don't know that the war on terror IS being fought here already by our law enforcement people. What you see on TV is nothing compared to what goes on behind the scenes. Illegal Muslims are everywhere, wonder if these are? Thank God for our troops that are keeping the full weight of the terrorists off us. Remember, Allah is a god that wants his young men to die for him, while Jehovah God sent His Son to die for us...Hmmm
Posted by: Davy Crockett at January 24, 2007 02:14 AM (3vka3)
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Quite a difference in religions, eh?
Posted by: Ogre at January 24, 2007 02:16 AM (pHUVv)
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These muslim bastards don't trust the reported strength of their "big guy in the sky". If they did, they would not have to hurt/kill those that do not subscribe to their "guy". My guy (GOD) is all powerful and I am calling on him to destroy all muslim fascists with pestilence and disease...If we really want to end the conflict in the middle east, all we have to do is dip our ammunition in pigs blood or pigs fat before we use it on them. They can die knowing that it was a bullet covered with pigs shit that killed them. They will cease hostilities overnight. The British did it scores of years ago and the little bastards simply quit. They let a pig stop them. So much for the power of their enlightened one who is all powerful and unfearing. We might consider taking pigs knuckles and encasing them in clear resin and making necklaces out of them. We could wear them like the folks in transylvania used to wear garlic around their necks to ward off vampires! I bet the little bastards would turn and run away faster than you can blink your eyes. I think you all get the point here. Semper Fi and God bless our troops and all the TRUE Patriotic Americans!!!
Posted by: will at January 24, 2007 02:35 AM (D5d/j)
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Let's take this guy down but from another direction along with those of his ilk. Let's look at the legal ways to do it that are very simple. First, contact your Congressman/Congresswoman and demand a dutiful response, not a form letter, second, contact your Senators from your state, then, contact the Better Business Bureau, second file grievances with the Secretary of State of Wisconsin (assuming he has complied with the laws of the State of Wisconsin), further, complain about his business practices (unlawful restraint of trade, etc.) to the attorney general of the State of Wisconsin, the next step is the Secretary of Defense (as that position, not the person) is responsible for supplying our troops.
I am for the expression of thoughts and beliefs but not to the extent of depriving or not supplying our troops with every thing they need even if the pinheads in charge don't see to it. War is hell but there are things that can be done to aleviate the misery.
Contact me at my email if you would like assistasnce in finding out the addresses of those who I have suggested contacting.
Semper Fi, God Bless to Our Troops of All Services
Posted by: A Marine Daugher at January 24, 2007 03:25 AM (J0Ck0)
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We have ways of taking this guy and those of his ilk down without a shot. Here is a list of contacts that can make their life miserable. I start with the local folk as they have more invested in keeping this kind of stuff out of their district/state.
United States Congressman of your district
United States Senator of Wisconsin
Attorney General, State of Wisconsin
Attorney General of the United States of America
Solicitor General of the United States of America
Secretary of Defense, United States of America
Better Business Bureau, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
and, yes,
The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States of America
Support our troops in every possible way!
Semper Fi
If you need help contacting these places, contact me via email at babylegaleagle@yahoo.com
Posted by: A Marine Daugher at January 24, 2007 03:32 AM (J0Ck0)
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THIS IS tantamount TREASON !!!!!!
I say we deport them and lots of the other muslims living here...Islam should be outlawed in the US for inciting violence and hate.
Posted by: abk at January 24, 2007 06:08 AM (QZGP9)
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Hey guys, the below link is a FOX video clip on this story with pics of this guy and his house
http://msunderestimated.com/SgtHess.wmv
enjoy
Posted by: abk at January 24, 2007 06:18 AM (QZGP9)
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Everyone here needs to go to this forum and sign up (free) and let these people know we will not stand for depicting our President as Hitler. They seem to think their hate is acceptable.
http://p221.ez board.com/fwoodlandscommunityfrm13.showMessage?topicID=1363.topic
I had to seperate the url for it to accept.
Posted by: Saddened by the haters at January 24, 2007 08:46 AM (x2Vlt)
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on the above post just copy and paste the link into your browser. I had to seperate ez board as it would not post with it in its entirity.
Posted by: Saddened by the haters at January 24, 2007 08:49 AM (x2Vlt)
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Settle down people. Until you know the full story, it is not responsible to post this person's address, contact information and even a picture of his house on the internet. It could have been a disgruntled or clueless employee who wrote the e-mail. Also, "Khetani" appears to be an Indian name, which would make the owner of that name more likely to be a Hindu, not a Muslim. Just because it "sounds" Muslim you people are ready to deport him? Gimme a break.
Posted by: JW at January 24, 2007 12:07 PM (15s7j)
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These people that hate the United States, come over here to make money so they can take over this country. They insult us by using our 1st amend. throw them out of this counrty before its to late.
Posted by: EH at January 24, 2007 12:14 PM (Zwsx5)
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JW, I don't really care where he's from. He IS Muslim, he freely admits it.
Thank you all for stopping by. I'm also with abk -- this religion should be outlawed because it's sole purpose is the overthrow of the US Government. There's freedom of religion, and there's treason. The Muslim religion has crossed the line.
Posted by: Ogre at January 24, 2007 12:23 PM (oifEm)
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Ok, while I understand everyones anger over this did the reply do anything wrong? They stated that they do not ship to APO addresses, then stated their thoughts on the war and our military in Iraq. He did'nt say anything about hoping they would die, or wishing harm, just get out.
I see no one getting upset about other statements companies put on letterheads or state in their replies. I really hate to see that "Jesus Saves" crap on company letterheads and stuff, but I don't go out crying about it. They (discount-mats.com) are anti-war, that is their right...doesn't matter if the ownners are, Muslim, Christian or whatever. They have freedom of speech, and you have freedom of choice, you can choose not to buy from them.
Your comments in your site make you sound like a redneck, muslim hating christian. You make the word muslim out likes it's a nationality, when in fact it is not...there are plenty of "white,American" muslims.
This is what happens when a military spouse gets to much free time on her hands and a computer, maybe you should have directed your enegry at seeing about getting free mats for the troops, instead of creating a web-page of useless, almost slanderous remarks about Muslims.
I am a US Troop and while I don't agree with discount-mats.com thoughts on the war, but I do love the fact that they are able to state them.
Posted by: Dale at January 24, 2007 03:04 PM (G7Dx2)
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You wrote: --this religion should be outlawed because it's sole purpose is the overthrow of the US Government--end quote.
Oh my god, are you 12 years old? You really have to be kidding me. You do realize that Muslims have been around long long before anyone had even thought about the US...remember when we thought the world was flat? Yea, well Muslims were around. Remember the Holy War? Yep we got Muslims. I'm no S Hawkins but I'm pretty sure the only people living in the UNITED STATED at those times were Indians (or you might call them savages seeing your level of eductaion).
Posted by: Dale at January 24, 2007 03:22 PM (G7Dx2)
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To Dale
You are not a US Troop, your full of your liberal mind. these people take swords an cut people heads off for fun, soldier of god, what a bull. They started the holy war, back in 200 bc and ended in 300 ad on a stail mate.
Send them all back to there prospective countries to kill each other like they been doing for 1000's of years.
Posted by: eh at January 24, 2007 03:39 PM (Zwsx5)
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Dale is a US Troop, sure you are. then he calls us redneck, haters.
sure sounds like a liberal with no Talerence to me. Typical College student that spend to much time in the 60's bull and on the computer.
These people hate education, gays, freedom, women. Please turn your head around before its to late.
Posted by: ej at January 24, 2007 03:49 PM (Zwsx5)
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I believe the email that was sent back to our troops was outragious and would love to face that individual one on one. However, if the owner of the company fired this individual then I commend them for that action. Whether or not you believe in why they are in Iraq is besides the point OUR AMREICAN SOLDIERS need to be and should be supported by all americans. They are there without a choice I'm sure they are not looking forward to the possibility of being killed on a daily basis. Any AMERICAN who doesn't believe that should try wearing their boots one time.
Posted by: Troy at January 24, 2007 03:58 PM (6oHTC)
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I believe the email that was sent back to our troops was outragious and would love to face that individual one on one. However, if the owner of the company fired this individual then I commend them for that action. Whether or not you believe in why they are in Iraq is besides the point OUR AMERICAN SOLDIERS need to be and should be supported by all americans. They are there without a choice I'm sure they are not looking forward to the possibility of being killed on a daily basis. Any AMERICAN who doesn't believe that should try wearing their boots one time.
Posted by: Troy at January 24, 2007 04:00 PM (6oHTC)
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Mr. F-thetroops, this is in response to your email on the 23rd at 6:11. YOU ignorant BASTARD may a BODYBAG find you, YOU PEICE OF S*! This was more outrageous then the one that started this whole thing.
Posted by: Troy at January 24, 2007 04:17 PM (BAoHP)
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Mind if I copy/paste this into emails and blogs?
These junk websites are to get Adsense Revenue...I suggest anyone interested in a bit of activism complain to Adsense about the above mentioned sites.
THANK YOU for the superb information on these creeps. Keep the pressure on them and I bet you big bucks there will be an investigation via the Fed.
Posted by: Chris at January 24, 2007 06:14 PM (yxXhc)
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While I find the actions of this entrepreneur deplorable I beg you not to fan further fires of hatred by linking this action into a stereotype of all muslims -- and this is coming from a Jew. Look this guy is an idiot and now he will suffer from his consequences but for you to take this statement and then link it to the fact that his relatives work with chemicals or to suggest that there is a gathering of muslims in Milwaukee and could this set off alarm bells -- well this is just wrong. it was used back in the late 30s in Germany to harass and hurt Jews and you could set a dangerous example here, so please focus the energy on this one individual clown not the whole race.
Posted by: Ruben Steinberg at January 24, 2007 06:30 PM (1/m9o)
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The writing is on the wall people...we do need to wake up and take a look who lives next door.
I'll never buy anything from these companies and will spread the word in California. Saw the story of FOX...Thank GOD for them and all of you people for being aware and exposing these people. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS. Does anyone have info on where to send mats. Ill buy some from an American Company and mail them myself.
Posted by: Dave at January 24, 2007 06:32 PM (yE0OV)
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I heard about this on CNN - damn people come to our country use our resources and spit in the face of the people providing them this freedom. Rot in Jihad hell ragheads.
Posted by: Brian at January 24, 2007 06:58 PM (0laop)
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I am joining the Army now, i was going to wait until war was over, but i have to do something about these terrorist in our counrty.
i'll fight them all to the death.
Posted by: Brian Tomsope at January 24, 2007 07:12 PM (Zwsx5)
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Ruben said: Ruben Steinberg said ( 1:30 PM Wednesday, Jan 24 , 2007) :
While I find the actions of this entrepreneur deplorable I beg you not to fan further fires of hatred by linking this action into a stereotype of all muslims -- and this is coming from a Jew.
Ruben, sweetie...you need to realize we HAVE to fight this on every level. If this family/group of people are on the up and up, we'll know soon enough. I guarantee you there's a rat in the pudding.
Ruben, remember, "first the Saturday people, then the Sunday people"...Ruben, you are a target. They don't care how nice you are (and you clearly are a nice man) they want you DEAD.
While tolerance was a virtue at one time, now it will just get you killed. Comprende?
love you long time.
Chris
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I'm sorry that some who have commented here fail to see the danger. Many fail to see what the Islam religion's goal is -- as it has been for centuries -- total world domination. Just go to a mosque and listen to the "sermons" -- all they talk about is how to destroy the "great satan" and implement their religious law all over the world.
We ARE in a world war now, and it's Islam against the world. You can choose to participate or not, but please don't try to stop those of us who don't want to be muslim.
And thank you all for stopping along and leaving a comment!
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Islam want,s to dominate NOT to assimilate!look what they are doing around the world to non muslim,s!i have family that had to flee egypt because the were christian!they are using our laws to defeat us!WAKE UP PEOPLE DO YOUR REASEARCH!!THEY ARE MUSLIMS FIRST!!
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Bingo, Big Poppa. They want you to convert or die. Nothing else.
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A slight change of direction:
I just have a question.
The Fed surely knows CAIR is a front organization for terror states/cells/individuals.
The President clearly stated after 9/11 that we would find them no matter where and deal with terrorists.
Yet CAIR is allowed to operate here.
So, considering the above, is the Fed not complicit in aiding and abetting?
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Illegal to Report Crime?
Once again, when reporting on the activities of the Democrats, I really do wish I were making this up. Unfortunately for freedom and America, I'm not. Here's a legal proposal (a bill) from a Democrat in Arizona
An individual ... commits domestic terrorism if the individual [is] not affiliated with a ... law enforcement entity and patrol[s] to detect alleged illegal activity and if the individual is armed with a firearm or other weapon.
So, by the letter of this law, if I am in the doorway of my own house and I'm armed, and I open the door to see if a crime is being committed (after hearing a scream), I'm a "domestic terrorist."
This one is a special one for those of you on the left who claim that it's the Republicans who are trying to take away your freedoms and rights.
Look, we already have absolutely nothing for a southern border. Our military is disarmed and our border patrol has been told that they will be sent to jail if they actually chase
anyone. I have absolutely no idea why we have "checkpoints" on the roads anymore at all -- if someone runs it, the border patrol has been shown that they will be thrown in jail if they actually chase anyone. The military has been ordered to retreat and run if anyone shows up armed.
So the citizens of this country are absolutely forced to defend themselves because the government has shown that they are utterly incapable of doing one of the very few things they are actually supposed to do, and this moron, Kyrsten Sinema, wants to lock up those few people who are actually willing to defend themselves.
Hey Krysten Sinema, you can go suck eggs, too. You're an obvious enemy of freedom. I'm sorry that you hate freedom and America so much. How about you move to Mexico yourself, you communist bastard?
Oh, how I yearn for freedom.
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It's amazing that people deem the Democrap party as the enlightened party of freedom.
Well, I guess they are the party of freedom for everyone but actual American citizens.
Posted by: Jenn at January 22, 2007 06:18 PM (QD9ey)
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They actually don't like freedom. They want freedom for themselves, as the ruling class, but not for anyone else. They distrust anyone but themselves.
Posted by: Ogre at January 22, 2007 09:31 PM (pHUVv)
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ogre, they don't trust the people in their own party, either. Just the leaders of their party. And only some of them.
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The leaders trust themselves. Most of the time. They just don't trust anyone else. And they trust non-Democrat "leaders" the most.
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NC Democrats Need MORE
The entire budget of the state of North Carolina is "only" 19 billion dollars. That's dramatically up, thanks to Democrats, even from just a year ago, when it was 18 billion. But this year those same Democrats are working on spending $2.7 billion MORE dollars on "mental health" needs.
So, are you ready for your 14.2% tax increase? That would end up being an increase in the state sales tax AND income tax of 1%. But don't worry, the Democrats are sure to be able to spend all that "extra" money and more. They've got "needs," you see.
This time it's "mental health." They're concerned that some North Carolina counties spend more on mental health than others. No, they don't seem concerned that there are different salaries in different areas and different cost of living expenses in different counties -- they're ONLY interested in the fact that Mecklenburg County spends more per person on mental health than other counties.
And if they were really interested in "fixing" this "problem," instead of looking to make other counties spend MORE, they'd tell Mecklenburg to take their "mental health" needs to the cheaper counties! After all, if you could pay $6 for a gallon of gas in your town, but it was $1 the next town over, what would you do? Most normal people would drive to the other town and pay less. But Democrats in North Carolina would rather force the town that charges $1 for gas to charge $6!
The leech director of Mental Health Services says
I’d encourage everyone, whether they’re affected by mental illness or not, to push for funding
Well of COURSE the leech that would directly benefit from the "funding" in the form of personal CASH would ask for more! I say again -- if you are employed by government, you should lose your right to vote. What is this person's job function? What does he do to "earn" cash? He asks people to vote for Democrats that will give him money!
That's wrong, plain and simple. Government produces nothing. Sure, people suffer from mental health problems. But it is quite literally impossible for government to solve all the problems of all the people. I wish the anti-freedom Democrats who run North Carolina would stop trying. We'd all be a lot freer, happier, and yes, richer.
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My mental health would be a lot better if it weren't managed by the state. Thankfully, NE seems a little behind on this issue, or I'm just blissfully ignorant.
You know, in other countries, the idea that the state managed mental health would be considered a far worse issue than one of funding...why do we trust our government so much that we would just hand over issues like this to them to mismanage and then give them more money to do it with?
Posted by: Dana at January 22, 2007 10:14 PM (Y2s4X)
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Well, you see, this is Democrats. They know better than you. You don't realize how bad your mental health is. But they can fix it.
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January 21, 2007
Tarheel Tavern #100
Welcome to the 100th edition of the Tarheel Tavern!
What a great honor it is to be the host of this, the 100th edition of this carnival. Now I know this isn't one of the biggest or well-known carnivals, but it's one of my personal favorites. Why? Because it's more local. It's more personal. It's posts from people who live in, or blog about North Carolina.
The
very first Tarheel Tavern was way back in February of 2005. It was hosted at
Science and Politics. Now there's a WIDE range of political views in North Carolina, so to attempt to moderate those strong emotions, the first few carnivals were not allowed to have political posts. Instead, it was to be a focus on how bloggers are people and how the bloggers of North Carolina appreciate North Carolina.
Over the years, that "temporary" theme seemed to continue, for the most part. Sure, people were free to submit political posts, but the majority of submissions seemed to focus more on goodness and happiness in North Carolina. That helped make the carnival more of a nice place to visit and read, rather than a contentious place where NC bloggers fought over political viewpoints.
Now, almost two years later, the carnival continues. It's on it's last legs, as last week had no host. If you're interested, please do volunteer to host this and keep it going. Then again, the internet moves pretty fast -- carnivals may be a thing of the past. Only time will tell. In the meantime, onwards to Carnival #100!
This week the Tavern will be served up as a full 7-course meal. Did you know that you can have up to 21 courses in a formal dinner? I think I might have to try that some time before I die. 21 courses, wow. But we've got seven here today.
1st course - Appetizer:
The Tarheel Banker from
ephemera: a tribute to the long history of Banking in Charlotte. Ephemera asks,
Was Charlotte even on the map in 1967?
Now that's a question you don't want to ask today's city leaders, because they're all about making Charlotte known worldwide. What as? Well, that part isn't all that clear, but they certainly feed the need to be popular. And yes, banking has been a huge part of Charlotte for quite a long time.
Next up, according to my official meal guide, is the 2nd course - sit-down, seated Appetizer:
Final notes on the Science Blogging Conference and Anthology over at
A Blog Around the Clock. This post is a great description of what they hope will be an annual event: a North Carolina Science Blogging conference. And it wasn't just for bloggers:
to mix science bloggers with others who are interested in science communication - scientists and students, science teachers, librarians, writers and journalists, journal editors and local elected officials, software developers and science museum staff.
I hope that it turned out well this weekend!
Next up, the 3rd course - Gourmet Salad:
Assert A Surge Iraqi submitted by
Scrutiny Hooligans.
Now Screwy Hoolie, the author of that post, promises drinking at Asheville Brewing Company, in Asheville, EVERY Thursday. That's about 2 hours from my house, but I might have to make the drive one Thursday, just to hear him recite the poetry like this week's submission. I'm just not sure how I'll make it back for work on Friday after "drinking liberally."
After that is the 4th course - Sorbet, for a palate cleanser:
I Shot The Sheriff But I Didn't Shoot Deputy Dog by the one and only
Billy the Blogging Poet.
This entry couldn't fit any better into our seven course meal here, as you might have guessed -- it's a poem by Billy. And it's light and silly, I think. Well, it might be dark and depressing, depending on how you read it. I won't try and explain, just head on over and see what you think about it! And well, if you don't like that poem, check out the rest of his site, I'm sure you'll find something you like there.
Finally we get to the 5th course - The Main Course:
Slowly She Turned provides the main course with
Erring on the side of caution -- a post that actually went along with the "suggested topic" of this week's tavern (and yes, it was only a suggestion, so it's fine that other didn't follow the "theme").
This week in North Carolina, some areas saw a bit of nasty weather. No, nothing compared to what the folks in the west were dealing with a few weeks ago, but in North Carolina, we don't have thousands of plows and salt trucks, so it doesn't take much to completely immobilize entire counties.
Slowly She Turned offers a little bit of quite good advice regarding the weather, especially for those of us in North Carolina who don't see hazardous weather very often.
Once you're done digesting that main course, we're proud to deliver the 6th course - Gourmet Dessert:
Now this is no light dessert to laugh and converse over. No, this one is a rather heavy, strong dessert that will stay with you for quite awhile.
Colonel Corn's Camera tells up about
Raw Emotion -- and it's not a calm, easy emotion. But it might make you think a little more before you complain about sitting in the next traffic jam.
Everyone will have to deal with some strong emotions at some time in their life, usually when they're least prepared for it. But without any emotions, life would be a rather slow and boring existence. Without the lows, there wouldn't be any highs, would there?
Finally, today, as you digest your wonderful meal, we have the 7th course - Lattes:
And while you sip, read about
Business Advice for Artists and Sensitive People, presented by
Christine Kane.
Just read that title again, and think about how much something like that might be needed. Quite often, those who are gifted in the areas of arts aren't as gifted in the areas of logic and business. So it seems only logical that they're going to need help in areas of business. I know I sure need help in the area of arts!
And as an added bonus, there's already a lot of comments and discussion going on over there on this topic, so grab your drink, sit back, and join in the conversation!
Well, that's all for this week's carnival. I hope you enjoyed your stay and had time to wander around and visit all those who were kind enough to add their submissions for this week. Remember, if you're blogging in or about North Carolina, you can submit your own blog posts each and every week. Also, the carnival is in need of future hosts -- if you'd like to host and enjoy the tavern, submit and volunteer to host!
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Wow! This is just beautiful - and not just because of the food theme. :-) Thanks, Ogre!
Posted by: Laurie at January 22, 2007 03:04 PM (rZDfH)
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Thanks you! It's always a pleasure.
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New Neighbor #46
Welcome again, good readers, to this week's New Neighbor. For those who haven't seen this feature before, this is a weekly post that appears each Sunday afternoon. Usually this is the only post for Sundays, but this week the Tarheel Tavern will also appear. Each week Ogre reads through some new blogs from the massive blogroll on the right side of the main page, right now the Evangelical Blogroll, and finds a new blog to highlight and introduce to you, my kind reader. This week, it's
I have to say, this blog almost didn't make the cut for this week's "Neighbor" feature. I looked at the blog, glanced at a couple articles and decided that I'd feature it. Then I noticed the picture at the top of the blog. Poor, deluded, Bull. I'm thinking he should put a picture up of "The Swamp..."
Anyway, back to the blog. The
latest entry is neat. I'm not sure, but I think Bull is really hoping to obtain some wolf-like super powers. And I'm not sure "Wolf Lord" is quite enough of a superhero name. Feel free to add other choices in his comments.
He's also got up
a post about the latest American Idol. To be honest, I've never seen the show. Really. I have absolutely no desire to watch other people make fools of themselves. Well, I guess I do, I just see it all day long just by watching the Democrats and other politicians. But if you like that sort of thing, he'll give away the whole season in one post.
Now the blog does promise to be about "Bull and Ashley," but you might notice a slight lack of posts from this mysterious Ashley. However, about a week ago, she did
make an appearance explaining her absence. She speaks of these "social engagements." Wow, that sounds painful. Well, to me, anyway.
So hey, the blog's been around since March of 2006, so I guess that makes it almost old, eh? It's a clean layout, pretty much just personal stuff, but why not head over and have a read this Sunday afternoon? What else did you have to do? And I'm not posting anything else until you get over there and read (well, at least not until tomorrow morning, and the Tavern this will be here later this afternoon).
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Hey, thanks for the link and the review! We mostly blog about personal stuff that's going on in our lives, but I do drop in some thoughts on theology or politics from time to time. Anyway, I really do appreciate you taking the time to stop by, even if you don't like Auburn (aka God's Team) for some reason. I'll definitely send some of the few readers I have your way. God bless!
Posted by: Bull at January 22, 2007 04:40 AM (EaeLt)
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You bet, thanks for stopping along!
And I've been a Gator fan for many years now...

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January 20, 2007
Ed Brown
The story about Ed Brown is spreading. I mentioned it here last week under the title "Live Free or Die." For those educated in government schools, that's the state motto of New Hampshire.
I've been following this case rather closely and have been in contact with numerous people who have actually been on the ground and have visited with Ed. Ed is a very nice guy. And the
Fox News story really mentions the crux of this story. Once again, not for the first time, someone is asking the government a question that simply cannot be answered. When it comes to taxes, Ed says,
Show us the law that requires us to pay [income] taxes, and we'll pay it immediately
The government has never been able to show this law. I remember a few years back when full-page ads were run in newspapers offering $50,000 to anyone who could show the law. The reward went unclaimed. Well, the IRS, of course, tried Ed and his wife and found that they were guilty of "avoiding taxes" and "hiding their income."
Folks, they didn't hide or avoid. They blatantly and openly didn't pay. They also got in trouble for "money laundering" for having funds transferred under the federal reporting limit. In case you're not aware of that law, certain financial institutions are required to fill out federal forms when transactions exceed a certain amount (it used to be $10,000). So, for example, when I was going to receive $15,000, I asked for it in two checks: $7,500 each. I guess that makes me a criminal, too.
Ed does have quite a number of people up there with him. And Ed's rather set in his ways. He is very non-violent. He has vowed not to shoot government trespassers. However, he said that he will also not leave his property against his will.
He was found guilty on Friday, but sentencing is not until April. It's not currently clear whether the judge has issued a warrant for his arrest, but the judge may do so at any moment. I don't know what will happen if they attempt to take Ed by force. If they do so now, there will be a bloodbath because Ed's simply not going. My guess is that the government will attempt to wait him out and won't do anything until closer to the sentencing date.
But there is a way for government to end this without bloodshed -- but they have to leave Ed alone. He's not bothering anyone. He's self-sufficient and won't go anywhere or harm anyone. He's not committed any crime that's hurt anyone in any way. But they're going to get him -- because if they don't, others might actually follow his lead.
Good luck, Ed, and Godspeed.
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Please tell me they don't intend to sentance him on April 15th!
Posted by: Peter Porcupine at January 21, 2007 07:27 AM (h4nV4)
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Wouldn't that be ironic? No, I think the date is the 20th or the 24th.
Posted by: Ogre at January 21, 2007 02:10 PM (pHUVv)
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/230107Brown.htm
Ed Brown video in his own words.
Posted by: Tomslick at January 24, 2007 07:18 PM (w2zyG)
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Excellent link, thank you Tomslick!
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You're Welcome Ogre.
Thanks for the heads up on the story to begin with.
I checked some stories out after I read your first post about Ed Brown. Some (more or less) labeled him as a crackpot who doesn't want to pay his taxes. He doesn't appear to deserve that label after I heard him tell his side of the story.
A sad day indeed.
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Anyone who is an enemy of the state is a "crackpot" to the press. They can't understand why everyone doesn't just obey the government without question.
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see ed brown blog here.....
http://questforfairtrialinconcordnh.blogspot.com/
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I am 59 yrs old,will I see America again before I die?
Posted by: Jerry Alexander at January 28, 2007 09:00 AM (WAVbH)
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I am 59 yrs old,will I see America again,before I die?
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Maybe. The only hope is in New Hampshire with the Free State Project.
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I thought this was a country of freedom of speech and rights.. oh when it comes to that he cant speak his mind but it;s true how come we pay all these taxes and stuff for others to live off off your hard earned money? i could always understand our older people but i have seen people on walfare at 24 years old in great shape to work. so we pay our taxes so 24 year olds to live off of or for our government to do as they please with the money... i am standing behind ED a million %
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I thought this was a country of freedom of speech and rights.. oh when it comes to that he cant speak his mind but it;s true how come we pay all these taxes and stuff for others to live off off your hard earned money? i could always understand our older people but i have seen people on walfare at 24 years old in great shape to work. so we pay our taxes so 24 year olds to live off of or for our government to do as they please with the money... i am standing behind ED a million %
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I thought this was a country of freedom of speech and rights.. oh when it comes to that he cant speak his mind but it;s true how come we pay all these taxes and stuff for others to live off off your hard earned money? i could always understand our older people but i have seen people on walfare at 24 years old in great shape to work. so we pay our taxes so 24 year olds to live off of or for our government to do as they please with the money... i am standing behind ED a million %
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I thought this was a country of freedom of speech and rights.. oh when it comes to that he cant speak his mind but it;s true how come we pay all these taxes and stuff for others to live off off your hard earned money? i could always understand our older people but i have seen people on walfare at 24 years old in great shape to work. so we pay our taxes so 24 year olds to live off of or for our government to do as they please with the money... i am standing behind ED a million %
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No. This is no longer a free country. And you certainly don't have freedom of speech here any more.
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100th Tarheel Tavern
In case you needed reminding, if you're blogging from or about North Carolina, the deadline to submit carnival entries for the 100th edition of the Tarheel Tavern is tonight! It should be posted either Sunday or Monday! Come on North Carolina Bloggers, send in your entries!
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Vandalism Elmwood Cemetery
A Press Release regarding the Elmwood Cemetery:
We have been sickened by the latest theft and vandalism at Elmwood Cemetery. We have attempted help stop this by addressing our city leaders on this issue and making various police reports. Sadly, our city leaders talk a good game but do nothing. The same has been for the police department no follow up nor has arrest been made.
The Confederate section is apart of history that has met with theft and vandalism again.
Sadly, we found new vandalism in Pinewood Cemetery in two locations. It sickness us find these headstones broken on purpose. This type of criminal activity is horrible an outrage to the families and citizens of Charlotte.
The vandalism has consisted of statues on burial plots broken, some beheaded, various headstones broken, and some bashed into pieces. Even monuments have had pieces chipped, which have lead to further cracking. Elmwood and Pinewood Cemetery has been the victim of vandalism for too long.
Again, we are concerned regarding the lack of responsibility we have encountered. The Charlotte Mecklenburg Police Department has not followed up on reports filed. A police officer only has contacted us once and left a message. We have tried to contact him back, several times and have not heard from him. There have not been any arrests in regards to the vandalism. The aloof behavior is why people do not take the time to become more involved. This has not been an uncommon behavior by police or city officials.
Have any questions please feel free to contact us.
Mark A. Palmer
704/525-0313
Historic Preservation of Elmwood and Pinewood Cemetery
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January 19, 2007
Friday Feast
Well, I'm not completely sure what this is, but I found it over at Raven's, so I thought I'd give it a shot. The directions say:
While our questions may sometimes be related to food, the main idea here is to feed your mind by asking thought-provoking, mind-stimulating questions.
Each Friday when you visit this meme, you will find 5 enticing courses for your mind to gobble up:
Appetizer
- a quick, tasty morsel to get you started
Soup
- smooth and warm to soothe your mind
Salad
- a nutritious blend of "veggies"
Main Course
- a hearty portion that is sure to satisfy
Dessert
- light concoction for your sweet tooth
Okay, so here goes nothing:
Appetizer
Which television shows do you just refuse to miss?
Television? Isn't that a medium that was used for communication back in the 20th century? Do people still have those things? What for? Oh, wait, I remember that thing now -- it's the propaganda tool used by leftists world wide today, isn't it?
Soup
Who did you last speak to on the telephone?
Tell-uh-what? Horrible, nasty devices. I don't like them one bit. Therefore, I don't use them. Why? I dunno. But really, I just don't use those things.
Salad
How many pillows do you keep on your bed?
What is this, a quiz about little-known things that people don't have? Why spend money on a bed when there's a perfectly good floor right over there? Heck, if you have a bed, doesn't it just cover up the floor space so you can't use it any more? And if you do get rid of that floor space, why would you bother with a pillow? That's just not natural. Really. Go lie down. Now, how elevated is your head? Oh, it's not? Then why would you want to sleep with your chin pressed towards your neck? You people are silly.
Main Course
Name one addition to your computer (software, hardware, etc.) that you'd love to have.
Okay, at least I understand this question! I need the brain-to-text translator. That way I could get a lot more done by just telling the machine exactly what I wanted it to do, without having to figure out how to explain it to the computer.
Dessert
What is your favorite foreign food?
Roast Terrorist.
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BWAHAHAH!!! Ogre...I never thought YOU would do this. LOL!!!
Hey, its all in fun though. And gives me something to write.
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Gets the muse going when she's stuck, doesn't it?
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So, have you looked at your hard drive lately? When I post pictures here, I usually save them to one of my computers first, then upload them here. That "pictures" folder on this computer now has 330 files. Wow, I wonder what's there?
Most of them, I can account for. I know what I was doing and what I was thinking when I see pictures like this one:
Raven will like that one.
Heck, I even remember when
Contagion inspired this one:

I can remember when
Quality Weenie and I were having our car wars that caused me to have this one:

And I certainly remember creating the series that included this poster

But there's a few, I just can't explain. I wonder why in the world, for example, I find this little guy in the "My Pictures" folder

I have no idea. And what's with this one?

And why do I have a picture of a pile of chains?

Oh well, it must be time for a new computer.
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Hey I DO like that Marine shot up there. Heh.
As for slugs, walrus and chains?? I think you're kinky.
Posted by: Raven at January 19, 2007 10:56 PM (/oMfF)
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Well I know you think that -- but what about the pictures?
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The slug is related to a post you were going to do about the speed of the judicial system related to the death penalty.
The chains were to be linked to a post about welfare under Democrats.
And the walrus? Well, that was either for a post about Ted Kennedy, or what Raven wrote

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Sounds accurate, Teach!!!
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