Ogre's Politics & Views
September 20, 2005
Homespun Blogger Symposium XXXIII
Time again for the weekly Homespun Blogger Symposium. Each week the Homespun Bloggers ask a question of the members of that group and those who desire to can respond on their own blog to the question.
Links are posted to others' answers to the questions. Feel free to join in!
This week's question:
How do "we" eliminate the "deep, persistent poverty having roots in racial discrimination" such as we've seen in the Gulf Coast region over the past three weeks?
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You are absolutely right about attempting to eliminate poverty itself. However, to eliminate for yourself is great. And to offer opportunity to help others eliminate for theirself, if you have that opportunity to offer is fine. But, the only thing that can stop poverty is the determination of the person in poverty.
Posted by: Jay at September 20, 2005 10:38 PM (xmvb0)
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Ogre, how can you say that race has absolutley nothing to do with poverty? That is ridiculous considering that Black people were recognized as inferior just 40 years ago. The days of German Shepards and fire hoses disrupting peaceful demonstrations are in the not too distant past. Assuming that the civil rights act made people legally equal, you must allow that rampant racism still exists in this country. Most importantly, the fact that such a high percentage of African Americans live in poverty can only have one of two explanations. The first is that a combination of social and economic factors have stacked the odds against them, or that they as a race are inferior. The latter, of course, is simply unacceptable and ludacris.
Posted by: Brian at September 21, 2005 02:10 AM (qe/Un)
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Jay, yes, individuals can help, but government can only hurt.
Brian, I outlined above exactly how I can say that. If being black causes poverty, how can all those people be worth tens of millions of dollars EACH? ALL those people I listed in this post are BLACK, yet they aren't in poverty.
If you believe that social and economic factors cause people to be black, racist, and poor, how in the world is it that those people aren't?
The odds aren't stacked against them at all. They have all the opportunities that other people have. ANYONE who makes the poor lifestyle choices is going to be poor -- and those choices have nothing to do with skin color.
The high percentage of African Americans in poverty can be explained one other way that you didn't list: those people made bad decisions in life. There is NOT rampant, institutional racism today! That simply is NOT true. If those 20 names I listed above aren't enough of an example to prove that, I'll list 100 more blacks who are successful.
Posted by: Ogre at September 21, 2005 05:51 AM (iJFc9)
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Ogre, let me take one of your statements a bit further.
People make "bad decisions in life". I do, you do, Brian does, Jay does. Where I have a problem is the government taking money out of my wallet, under the threat of force, to subsidize or to relinquish from responsibility those people that voluntarily make bad decisions.
Poor lifestyle choices lead to poor lifestyles. If you don't want to wallow in a poor lifestyle then do not make poor lifestyle choices. And don't ask me to constantly bail you out of such choices.
If you do not produce something meaningful to the community, through your job or through your volunteering, then why do you expect the community to furnish you with products, including money?
Please tell me how abusing, doing drugs, having unprotected sex, dropping out of high school, having sex before marriage, raising children without a father, and collecting welfare instead of working are benefits to the community? How has the community prospered or grown with you doing such voluntary actions? Therefore why is it that by doing the above voluntary actions you deem yourself worthy and entitled to receive products back form the community? On the contrary I say that if the community finds you guilty of any of the above voluntary actions you release yourself from reaping any benefits from the community and do not hold the community responsible for your lifestyle.
If you don't graduate high school you release yourself from having any company in the community having, under governmental law, to hire you. If you have babies out of wedlock then you release yourself from having any agency in the community, under governmental law, from having to provide you with products or money. If you do drugs then you release yourself from having any medical facility in the community from having, under governmental law, to provide you with medical assistance.
Not one of my above statements has anything to do with race - it should be applied to any guilty party regardless of race, gender, national origin, etc.
As for racism, unfortunately that has to be conquered one person at a time. Although the parents' teachings are a great start, it all boils down to one individual making one decision. I have done all I can to remove any prejudices from my home, but my three grown children will have to make their own decisions. I can only set an example for them.
I do believe that there is an "I was repressed, therefore I am entitled" mentality in the US. Those people that were once in the back of the line are no demanding that they be placed in the front of the line. Both actions are equally racist in practice, and therefore I tolerate neither. Since I do not place anyone behind me I get irritated when the government places someone in front of me.
Posted by: Shamalama at September 21, 2005 09:10 AM (TfBxJ)
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Extremely well said, Shamalama! That is an excellent response to those who support the community ideal.
And yes, that is something that makes many people angry and helps to divide this country (a goal of many people) -- the idea that some people work hard to get what they have while others do nothing and DEMAND that those who work provide for them.
I think people have really lost a grasp of history on this issue -- if people cannot survive without the "help" of the government, how did people start this country? How did people explore the west? How did people settle wild areas? People CAN survive without government and I still maintain that those who depend upon government are harmed much more than they are helped.
The only possible response from those who support massive government programs to your community is, "How can you say that people are not allowed to be part of your defined community?"
And you've already answered that -- they can if they CHOOSE to.
Posted by: Ogre at September 21, 2005 10:00 AM (/k+l4)
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So basically what your saying is that in general black people are prone to make bad decisions? A race does not make decisions an individual does. Tell me how the odds are not stacked against a black child born today in an urban environment. His father is gone, his mother works two jobs. On his way to school he sees nothing but drugs and violence. Temptation and danger surrounds him. These were not his choices, he is involved in a vicious cycle. Those names that you list mean nothing. Even if you did list 100 of them it is just a fraction of the names in the prison system. How does he have the same chance as a white suburban kid who doesnt have to deal with that. Also, there are undeniable overtones in your comments Ogre. Are you a racist?
Posted by: Brian at September 21, 2005 11:51 AM (qe/Un)
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Unlike you, Brian, I see people as people, not by their color. You clearly show that you decide who people are and what they do by the color of their skin. I do not. You are the one who brought race into the discussion. You are the one deciding that "black people make poor decisions." You are the racist.
What I said is that any person, white, black, red, yellow, green, or whatever, makes personal choices. Those personal choices have results and consequences.
You simply cannot blame a person for making bad choices because their "father is gone." The lack of a father does not mean you cannot make a good choice! If your mother works two jobs, are you forced to smoke crack? That's what you're implying, Brian.
In your example, the fictitional person can choose to do drugs or not. He can choose to participate in violence or not. They ARE his personal choices, whether you like it or not. How does he have the same chance? Because he's in America.
Posted by: Ogre at September 21, 2005 12:02 PM (/k+l4)
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Brian...you said:
So basically what your saying is that in general black people are prone to make bad decisions? A race does not make decisions an individual does. Tell me how the odds are not stacked against a black child born today in an urban environment. His father is gone, his mother works two jobs. On his way to school he sees nothing but drugs and violence. Temptation and danger surrounds him. These were not his choices, he is involved in a vicious cycle. Those names that you list mean nothing. Even if you did list 100 of them it is just a fraction of the names in the prison system. How does he have the same chance as a white suburban kid who doesnt have to deal with that. Also, there are undeniable overtones in your comments Ogre. Are you a racist?
Are you saying the blacks born in an urban (or any setting) can't break this cycle without government intervention? The scenario you painted is full of "personal choices" or what I'll call the religious concept of "free will." It doesn't matter if you're black, white or purple...making the choices that people make in these situations will ultimately lead to a continued reliance on government and the poverty that comes with it.
Are you advocating that the government "issue" a father to this fictional family? Are you advocating that the government force the children to school (and to do well mind you) at the point of a gun?
Free will and a desire to break the cycle WITHOUT any intervention is the only way it's going to happen.
See you on the high ground.
MajorDad1984
Posted by: MajorDad1984 at September 26, 2005 08:13 AM (tdEnf)
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Excellent points, MajorDad -- it is about choices and government intervention is opposed to choice -- it requires coercion.
Posted by: Ogre at September 26, 2005 01:28 PM (/k+l4)
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I completely agree with Brian. And I think that you are viewing the situation with rose colored glasses. You write as if it is easy to break out of such a cycle. When one is subjected to such depraved conditions one cannot just leave and become successful. In the hypothetical scenario that Brian mentioned: if the boy decided not to do drugs or get involved in violence and instead got a job, the boy would still be living in poverty. He would only be able to get a job that paid minimum wage because of his background, and all of his wages would not even be able to pay for all of his neccessities. It is not easy to move up the heirachy, contrary to what you think. I think that your comments reveal a naivite about you. If you don't believe me, then try to live just one week in an impoverished urban community and see how you fare.
Posted by: jane at October 09, 2005 10:37 PM (yvElO)
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So you're racist, too, jane? You agree that black people, as a race, make bad decisions?
I never said it was EASY to move out of poverty, just that it's not impossible. Then again, life isn't supposed to be easy.
Posted by: Ogre at October 10, 2005 06:06 AM (iJFc9)
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Where in any of my comments was there a racist remark? Where did I write that black people in general make bad decisions? Actually, my point was that it is extremely hard black people to obtain well-paying jobs, regardless of skill or talent (or good decisions). They are coerced into living in impoverished neighborhoods with an underprivileged school system. They are subjected to substandard education compared with white suburban children. Living in those conditions, how can one expect them to move past the poverty line, even if they do make the best decisions possible in their situation?
Posted by: jane at October 10, 2005 06:16 PM (yvElO)
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You agreed with Brian and Brian said that black people make bad decisions.
And sure, it's hard, but life isn't easy for anyone, no matter what their skin color. If they live in a bad neighborhood, why don't they work to get out? Why do they continue to make bad decisions? Why don't more make good decisions and change their neighborhoods?
How can I expect them to move? Because I expect them to make good decisions, just like anyone else. I don't see people by race. I don't care if they're black or white or green -- they can all make bad or good decisions.
Posted by: Ogre at October 10, 2005 08:34 PM (iJFc9)
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actually, brian said that "A race does not make decisions an individual does" so i dont know where you got the idea that brian was saying black people in general make bad decisions. And contrary to what you think, race does matter. Whether black people are being directly discriminated or not, there is still an inherent white privilege in society. And this white privilege disadvantages people of color. Of course people work to get out of their bad neighborhoods and bad situations, but because of unalterable circumstances they cannot.
Posted by: jane at October 10, 2005 09:45 PM (yvElO)
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I strongly disagree. Race does not matter. People are people. I refuse to say that blacks are not capable of making good decisions, as you seem to imply, Jane.
Where is this "white priviledge" that you see? How is a white person more capable of deciding not use to drugs than a black person? What is it about the skin color of a person that prevents them from deciding to get pregnant? How "black" does a person have to be to be incapable of deciding NOT to commit a crime?
Posted by: Ogre at October 10, 2005 09:52 PM (iJFc9)
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I think it is important to acknowledge the socialization of children in urban,poor communities. In many cases (of course not all, as has been pointed out with the listing of successful persons) the values are missing that are necessary to rise above poverty. For example, if I were to have grown up in a household where my mother sold her body for crack, collected a welfare check for my seven brothers and sisters, and my father was in prison, how would I have known to value hard work?
Who is responsible for teaching these values to a child if the parent(s) are unwilling or incapable? How would a child learn patterns of good behavior, if all that can be seen around them is bad behavior?
It is certainly not the current role of schools in urban communities; they are more focused on crowd control than education. Some people might say it is the role of the church-but how will this message get to the child whose parents are too drugged up to take their child to church? Social workers aren't going to do it consistently either; many of them are too afraid to enter certain communities.
How will I know what the opportunities are if I am not exposed to them? If my family and friends all live a certain way, won't I learn the behavior (the bad decision making) from them? By the time I am an adult, I have accepted this way of life because it is now internalized. Furthermore, if my mother and my peers tell me that the system is against me and I will never rise above this way of life, what will motivate me to prove them wrong? Why would I even doubt them?
It is easy to say that it is people's fault that they are poor. As I have pointed out, what we consider deviant and bad decision making may be considered normal in many urban communities. If you know of an influence that is consistently instilling values such as hard work, community responsibility and self-sufficiency in urban children, you can correct me. But, as I see it, until someone does, we will continue to see a pattern of "like father-like son" bad-decision making. Not because it is their own choice,but because they have accepted this as the norm.
Posted by: Jen at October 14, 2005 01:35 AM (OLcEC)
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You're completely right, Jen, but if you say that and you're white then you're a racist. If you say that and you're black, you're an "Uncle Tom."
You're saying the right things, but the people in trouble do not want to accept responsibility for themselves, and their "leaders" are more interested in power than helping people.
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Another Terrorist Win
Comite de Cesar Chavez, a terrorist group from Southern California, approved by the press, threatened violence unless they got their way, and they won. That's a win for terrorism.
A forum had been sponsored to speak about the border patrol and individual citizens on the America border. The terrorists said that if the meeting were held in a public place, funded by taxpayers, there would be violence. The terrorists claim that the public square where the discussion was to be held was "theirs" and no Americans were welcome.
Most of those who supported the terrorist group, Comite de Cesar Chavez, said that Friday was a Mexican holiday and if any scum Americans were to show up on "their" land in San Jose, California, USA, there would be violence. The terrorists group's primary mission is to break the laws of America and to help and support others who also break the law.
There is no word of any investigations of this successful terrorist act by the FBI or Homeland Security.
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No Freedom of the Press
Apparently freedom of the press doesn't apply to everyone -- not even the press.
According to the
Herald Sun, one Jillian Bandes, student and writer for the taxpayer-funded student newspaper, The Daily Tar Heel, was fired for writing
a column for the OPINION section of the newspaper that the editors didn't like.
The editors give some other incredibly lame excuse for her firing, but in fact she was fired because she dared to support racial profiling in her OPINION piece. She DARED to state the FACT that Arabs are
members of an ethnicity that is responsible for almost every act of terror committed against the West in the recent past.
I bet another thing that really annoyed the ultra-liberals at the University of North Carolina was this little tidbit:
You can debate a lot of things about post-9/11 foreign policy, but one thing you can’t debate is that taking out terrorists — or blatant human-rights violators — is a good thing.
But sorry, you're not free to state such obvious facts in today's world. Keep in mind, this "publication" is 100% financed by taxpayer dollars -- and that's wrong. The easy solution? Get government the heck out of education, completely.
And there's more!
The University of Florida "administration" is
complaining about an
editorial cartoon that shows how stupid "rapper" Kayne is when complaining about Bush. In the cartoon, Condi Rice appears annoyed with the rapper who is holding up "the race card." At least in this case, the administration has not fired the author of the editorial cartoon...yet.
The most ironic part of this one is that Kayne IS playing the race card and Condelezza Rice IS saying he's an idiot -- and the people complaining are saying the cartoon "perpetuates negative stereotypes of black people." Hello, stupid idiots? THE BLACK PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS. It's not the cartoon that's perpetuating the negative stereotypes, it's KAYNE! Morons.
There is no room for truth in this country any more. Today it's speak the truth and get fired. How far are we from speaking the truth and going to jail? Canada's already there.
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NC Legislature Fights Free Market
It's no secret to those who read this blog with any regularity (thank you) that the North Carolina Legislature, ruled with an iron fist by Democrats, is more interested in socialist and state-control of everything than freedom.
This year's budget that included nearly a billion dollars in new taxes and even more in new spending was supposedly "cut to the bone." However, they did manage to find money to fund an "advanced vehicle research center." 630 acres has been taken by the state and billions will be spent to build this center.
However, if the private industries didn't build it, that means it's pretty much worthless. There's no profit to be had here. There's no need for it. Sure, it might create jobs, but only at MY expense, because since the place won't be making any money, *I* will have to pay everyone's salary via oppressive taxes!
Am I the only person who actually believes in the free market in North Carolina?
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The more I read your blog, the more I don't want to ever live in NC.
Posted by: Jay at September 20, 2005 08:14 AM (2FcUc)
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I just hope by pointing such things out, there may be a chance to change them. I'm not holding my breath, however.
Posted by: Ogre at September 20, 2005 08:21 AM (/k+l4)
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Born and raised in Kannapolis, NC. I now live in Sierra Vista, AZ. You convince me every day of why I made the right decision.
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OK, correct spelling is Kannapolis. Never claimed I could type!!!
Posted by: Jmiked at September 20, 2005 12:02 PM (FYsfk)
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Thanks for stopping by!
I promise my purpose is not to drive people out of North Carolina, or even really to keep people from moving to North Carolina -- I'd much rather the people here were simply informed about what was happening so they could CHANGE it.
Then again, there's that whole debate about whether you should live where the politics already agree with you or somewhere where you're in opposition where you can try and change it...
Posted by: Ogre at September 20, 2005 12:55 PM (/k+l4)
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Here that sound?
It's New Hampshire, whispering your name... :-)
Posted by: Harvey at September 21, 2005 09:34 PM (ubhj8)
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Daily bookmarks at home and work:
www.nhjobs.com
www.computerjobs.com/nh
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September 19, 2005
Carnival, carnival!
Th' 30th Tarheel Tavern ha' been posted o'er at Poetic Acceptance. Th' Tarheel Tavern be a weekly blog carnival showcasing bloggers in and from the Tarheel State, North Carolina. If'n you be bloggin' from there, be right and join in the next one next week!
This moon's
New Blog Showcase has set sail
here at Ogre's Ship. Be sure an' visit some o' those other new blogs and let 'em know you stopped by. You remember when you had a new ship an' wanted other sea dogs to notice, aye? Read and visit.
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News from Nawlins
Lord Nagin o' Nawlins continued his defence o' his lands today, preventin' any o' th' serfs from enterin' his royally-decreed lands. "These lands be mine," spake Lord Nagin, "an' I`ll nay be havin' anyone enter them 'ceptin' upon me own swabbieal writ. All who trespass upon me lands will be beheaded."
Lord Nagin, in his infinite wisdom, an' bein' most beneficial t' all other swabbiess o' his own race, that o' th' blacks, has decided that he will nay permit entry t' his lands until th' streets be once again lined wi' dubloon an' in perfect shape, much like they be before th' destruction after th' attack by Kin' Bush.
T' wit, Lord Nagin, from his new palace in th' kingdom o' Texas, demanded that Kin' Bush collect taxes from all other subjects o' th' land t' pay fer th' dubloon-linin' o' his streets. "'t be Kin' Bush th' precipitated all th' damages t' me pefect city in me perfect land," continued Lord Nagin, "an' I want them all t' pay fer me t' build 't aft as I imagined 't, nay matter how 't really be."
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The kicker to this one is that Nagin's bought a house in Texas for his wife and daughter to live in...and for him to retire to after they run him out of town on a rail.
Poetic justice, ain't it?
See you on the high ground.
MajorDad1984
Posted by: MajorDad1984 at September 19, 2005 07:09 PM (tdEnf)
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You're presuming they WILL run him out of town.
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New Blog Carnival Showcase
Arrr. It be time once a'gin fer the Showin' of the newest Blogs, by way o' this here carnival.
The first internet-lubber up be one
Chronicles of the Knights Simplar. This here captain o' his blog, one Tad Babbert, be highlightin' one post about some lubber named
Sean Penn. 'Ol cap'n Babbert be setting sail a'searchin' for "Looking for Logic on the Liberal Left...this may take awhile," leastways accordin' to his masthead.
It be a new ship, this Chronicles, but then all those ships that be appearin' here in the showcase be virgin. Thar be plenty more where that one come from -- The good cap'n also be takin' note of
Talk Like a Pirate Day, too. Set sail with a new destination and visit that thar ship now.
The next virgin ship that be departin' this week is one
Letters from the Bostonian Exile. Bein' a pirate (at least for today), I know a might bit about exiles. I be not sure if this cap'n be exiled with or without his ship. Either way, this cap'n
attempts to find an explanation for just what a federal district judge in Sacramento was thinking when ruling unconstitutional the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance.
Yarrr. This here cap'n be interested in current tides and matters of the court -- he's got
evidence of fighting in Germany, complains about
the royalty in the US Senate, and even keeps a lookout for
RINOs. Take a look before he sails with the next tide.
Last to be setting sail this week be cap'n Reaganite, setting sail from Fort Smith, Arkansas in
Reaganites Unite! This here cap'n provides some more readin' 'bout the
royalty in N'awlins. He even provides us w' quotes from the "plan" for abadonin' the ship of N'awlins.
This here cap'n also be postin' pictures of his
favorite lassies. This here pirate ain't been at sea near long enough to be enticed there. He be having quite a nice ship there, be sure and board her to see what else that thar cap'n has in store for you land lubbers.
Yar. For more on this here carnival, also being how to join up or host at the next tide, read
the main post.
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Ahoy Scurvy Mate!
Me didn't thinks ye'd go forth with the Pirate Speak! More the shame bein' on me!
Calico Bess
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Posted by: birdwoman at September 19, 2005 03:25 PM (vR7Sl)
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Ah now this here Talk Like A Pirate Day be one a' th' high holy days of Piratedom! There be naught excuse ta be missin' it!
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Guard Our Borders
In th' wake o' Hurricane Katrina, illegal immigration has come t' th' forefore yet again as Americans watch buckets o' jobs that could (an' ought) go t' displaced workers bein' taken instead by illegal immigrants. Here`s th' problem: Ye`ve got cargo holds o' illegal immigrants from south o' th' border workin' in jobs that "most Americans won`t do." Meanwhile, ye`ve got chestfulls o' swabbies wi' nay jobs an' nay homes, many o' whom be havin' what I call th' sponge mentality. This way o' thinkin' can be summed up in one word: Gimme. Ye know what I be talkin' about, starboard? Gimme welfare. Gimme food stamps.
Now that clistup be in full swin', buckets o' illegals be havin' jumped on th' opportunity t' get across th' border an' get the'r foot in th' door. An' sure enough, th' next logical step in this process has happened:
They think they deserve visas.
If we be workin' an' helpin' t' raise this city, at least they ought give us a work visa," spake Manuel Armenta, a 44-voyage-old Mexican who came t' Biloxi five moons ago t' do clistin' work at a hotel.
Read that again an' be seein' if ye notice anythin'. He came here five moons ago. That means, he be already here illegally when Hurricane Katrina hit. He`s nay some philanthropic benefactor, he`s an opportunist. He sneaks across th' border moons ago, an' now that th' hotel he worked at be gone, he`s jumped on th' wagon o' "helpin' wi' th' clistup", an' then has th' gall t' say he deserves permission t' be here.
Many migrants livin' here illegally constantly worry about bein' detained an' expelled. A visa "would help us t' nay be havin' fear," spake Hugo Martinez, 37, who has been workin' alongside Armenta.
Dasn't this story jus' pull at yer heartstrings? These poor swabbies, starboard? Hardly. These illegals be takin' jobs that could help swabbies who deserve them. Swabbies who lived in New Orlists legally an' want t' come homeport an' start over, fer example.
Both Armenta an' Martinez spake th' main thin' be t' earn a livin', regardless o' the'r immigration status. "But bein' legal, one could be here without distrust," Martinez spake. Jose Martinez, a 40-voyage-old Guatemalan, spake th' U.S. government ought somehow reckon th' contribution that undocumented workers be makin' t' rebuild hurricane damaged areas. "E'en if 't be jus' a temporary permit, at least we could get insurance," spake th' former hotel worker, now laborin' t' remove debris at a shrimp plant.
Be seein' this? They nay only want visas, they want
insurance. They say "e'en if 't be jus' a temporary permit", but come on. Does anyone wi' a brain really think these illegals will leave once the'r perm'tis o'er if they get insurance? Be realistic fer cryin' ou' loud. They say they worry about bein' detained or expelled? Then why do they feel so comfortable givin' the'r full names, ages, an' what they's doin' fer work t' th' media? Dasn't sound like hidin' an' worryin' t' me. An' let`s nay e'en take into account th' tone o' th' article. Written by E. Eduardo Castillo, 'tis a veritable ode t' th' merits o' amnesty fer illegals.
But almost as important as th' whinin' requests demands o' th' illegals who be so unafraid o' gettin' attention drawn t' they's self be th' attitude o' so many o' th' New Orlists residents. Let`s boil this down.
Ye be havin' swabbies who be used t' layin' aft an' takin' what th' government gives them instead o' gettin' off the'r butts t' work fer 't they's self, an' then ye be havin' illegal immigrants who be aggressive. Think about that. `Tis nay wonder that thar`s an influx o' illegals into New Orlists starboard now - an' 'tis nay wonder that th' powers that be be willin' t' let them stay fer a bit t' help wi' th' clistup. G-d forbid that New Orlists residents do 't. They's too busy spendin' the'r free cash at th' strip bar.
Illegals shouldna be allowed into this country, at any time, fer any reason. Residents o' New Orlists ought be gi'en them jobs. One o' th' reasons our country be so great be on accoun' o' o' th' "can-do" attitude o' our citizens in th' past. Thar be a time when a whole town would gather t' help one swabbie rebuild a burned down barn. We be havin' become what we be in part on accoun' o' o' an attitude that spake, "If 't needs t' be done, we`ll do 't
until 'tis done."
Let Americans from New Orlists rebuild the'r city - if ye can get them ou' o' th' titty bars an' Louis Vuitton shops, that be.
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Environmental Loonies Playing God
We see yet another story that shows t' total foolishness o' today's environmental movement that attempts t' be t' final judge and arbitrator o' all that lives on this planet, displacin' The Almighty.
In this case, in order for t' stupid idiots t' "protect" their poster-child for destroyin' all freedom in t' name o' power and doubloons (for themselves), t' sacred Spotted Owl, they have decided that they need t' kill another owl that they don't happen t' like as much.
And o' course, t' goons o' t' government that support their effort with me doubloons, gave them t' okay t' actually start shootin' owls -- but only "bad" owls and not "good owls." No word on how they will ensure only t' "correct" owls be assassinated and how that exactly will ensure t' survival o' t' "good" owls. Keep in mind this be t' EXACT same group that claimed t' timber industry was killin' "good" owls for decades.
Welcome t' today's home o' t' communist, anti-American party: environmentalists.
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First I stumble over a Goblin writing (http://goblincave.net/goblog)- now an ogre.. what will be next ?
Posted by: Nan at September 19, 2005 11:42 AM (d8uFJ)
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Hey! Nan forgot ye Pirate talk! Arghhh!
Posted by: Oddybobo at September 19, 2005 11:51 AM (6Gm0j)
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What be next? Me thinks it be an Oddybobo, whatever that be...
Me thanks for ye stoppin' by -- I'll be setting sail towards that goblin roost at the next tide.
Posted by: Ogre at September 19, 2005 12:44 PM (/k+l4)
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Reporters Join Senators in Lunacy
Apparently liberals in t' Senate now have deduced a new way t' provide scientific proof: anecdotal evidence! Aye, accordin' t' news reports, four liberal Senators, two Republican liberals and two Democrat liberals, be "gatherin' evidence" o' "human-induced global warmin'" by interviewin' Canadians and Alaskans.
Am I t' only one who sees t' total insanity here? Even t' reporters o' this news be completely sucked in. Because thar may be global warmin', and because they can find people who say thin's have changed in their own lifetimes, these lunatics, given legitimacy by t' insanity o' t' press, claim that humans be destroyin' t' world!
Just because I can find ten people who believe one thin' doesn't mean another thin' be true. This logic be so far from reality, I can't believe this doesn't appear on t' funnies page. First logical problem -- just because you observe and can interview a number o' people that relate what they have seen in their lifetime, how in t' WORLD can you apply those findin's t' t' entire planet and t' entire history o' t' world? That's absolute insanity!
T' second major problem be even if they're starboard and that thin's be different for those people they've personally interviewed, and thar be some sort o' global effect, because a few people have observed a change doesn't mean you have ANY evidence that any other people have ANYTHING t' do with that!
Again, these Senators be complete and total idiots, as be t' reporter. If I had any respect at all port for these people, I surely do not now. South Carolina, did you really have any clue when you elected this liberal ass?
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" t' total" LOL! Posting in pirate talk too... But no dressing. The folks you work with will be sorely disppointed.
Posted by: Bou at September 19, 2005 07:45 AM (5JHEt)
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Yar. Those who be knowin' me onboard be happy I be not a'dressin' too!
Posted by: Ogre at September 19, 2005 07:54 AM (/k+l4)
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Ar' Matey! T' World be a endin! The sky be a fallin!
Posted by: Jay at September 19, 2005 08:14 AM (2FcUc)
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Aye, but as long as me ship's afloatin' there's treasure to be had!
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One Congressman Is Close
North Carolina Congressman Patrick McHenry be at least headed in t' starboard direction. In response t' t' moronic judge from SanFrancisco who ruled that sayin' t' word "God" be ground for arrest, because HE said so, Congressman McHenry said:
It is a sad day when a student can be arrested for putting his right hand over his heart and pledging to love his country. These liberal activists disguised as ‘fair and impartial jurists’ are bent on nothing more than removing God from every sector of our public life
Yup. That's starboard. This fool in judge's robes actually wants people arrested for sayin' "God." I really want t' see that. o' course, even more I want t' see if anyone thar will react t' it, or if they'll just sit aft and take it.
Patrick McHenry also has apparently read t' Constitution (that old document that we don't use any more) -- because he actually called for Congress t' limit t' judges. Aye, Congress actually DOES have t' power t' determine what judges can and can not rule on. So Congress can simply tell t' judges where t' go -- but don't hold your breath.
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Respectfully, I believe that McHenry is wrong. No student is going to be arrested, only school administrators. The student does not run the government-run school. Government action is required to violate the Constitution.
Posted by: Kris at September 19, 2005 08:57 AM (dqO+A)
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I bet students will be arrested -- if a class says the pledge, using the phrase "under God," do you think for a minute it will be ignored?
Posted by: Ogre at September 19, 2005 10:00 AM (/k+l4)
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Arrrrgh, me Piratey TWA blog mate! Not only will de wee ones be arRRrested, but then, they'll be doin' what, me matie? They'll be goin go court, and SWEARIN' ON THE HOLY BIBLE BEFORE THE JUDGE to tell da truth 'n' nottin' but.
ARRARR ARRARRR arrarr arrrarrrrr!
(HT: that scalliwag Leno the Chin and Capt'n Onery Brit on FNC's Special Report)
Posted by: The MaryHunter at September 19, 2005 12:06 PM (SRaIZ)
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Arrr...unless they be represented by them bottom-dwellers from the ACLU who will be havin' them be swearin' on some other book o'evil!
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Welcome to Talk like a Pirate Day!
Today be it -- it's International Talk Like a Pirate Day!
Be sure an' join in an' talk an' post like a Swashbuckler all tide long. Why nay?
If'n you be needin' help, sail over to the
Pirate Translator.
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Arrr! Scupper me kippers!
Posted by: Pixy Misa at September 19, 2005 01:42 AM (RbYVY)
Posted by: Ogre at September 19, 2005 06:06 AM (iJFc9)
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shiver me timbers, whens the grog start flowin
Posted by: Tomslick at September 19, 2005 06:48 AM (xNjHI)
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Yar. It be flowin' since nigh about high tide! C'mon and join in!
Posted by: Ogre at September 19, 2005 06:59 AM (/k+l4)
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Me deadlights still be a might foggy, but Begad, I'm fit to splice the mainbrace.
Posted by: Tomslick at September 19, 2005 08:14 AM (xNjHI)
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If'n yer deadlights be foggy, don't you be leavin' the port!
Posted by: Ogre at September 19, 2005 08:36 AM (/k+l4)
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I'd be dancin with Jack Ketch for sure.
I'm a lubber this day, I'd be an addled bilge sucking blaggard to set sail.
Posted by: Tomslick at September 19, 2005 08:56 AM (xNjHI)
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You be a lubber today? Methinks perhaps you've been caught with the lady what you're not supposed to have been which ended you up with the brig.
Posted by: Ogre at September 19, 2005 09:59 AM (/k+l4)
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Argh me bucko, twould be the cat o nine by me proud beauty if me was dablin with the poxed saucy wenches.
Posted by: Tomslick at September 19, 2005 10:30 AM (xNjHI)
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Then I be thinkin' you be having some problem with the other side o' the law if'n you still be without the sea.
Posted by: Ogre at September 19, 2005 10:57 AM (/k+l4)
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Aye, Capn wasn't most appreciative of me 12 extra rations of grog. Had me keelhauled and kissin the gunner's daughter till me bones laid bare. Argh
Posted by: Tomslick at September 19, 2005 11:16 AM (xNjHI)
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Ah, that be makin' sense now. You be lucky to even be speaking with the forked tongue -- keelhaulin' be the least that ye get around here for such doin's.
Posted by: Ogre at September 19, 2005 12:42 PM (/k+l4)
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Just me luck, of all the jack tar dogs, they had to be black spottin me. Now where be that scurvied sutler with the grog? Ifn E aint quick about his rounds, he be shark baitin in davey jones locker. ARGH
Posted by: Tomslick at September 19, 2005 01:12 PM (xNjHI)
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So, ye haven't had enough o' th' grog yet? But ye better be stockin' up on th' stuff -- the brass monkey's be getting smaller.
Posted by: Ogre at September 19, 2005 01:25 PM (/k+l4)
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Nay me bucko, aven't confused the head with me britches yet. We're still gunnin until the last piece o 8 is gone.
Posted by: Tomslick at September 19, 2005 02:07 PM (xNjHI)
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Then plan yourself to not be departin' afore the next tide -- my sea dogs found a pile o' dubloons that ought keep ya swimmin' til after the next tide.
Posted by: Ogre at September 19, 2005 02:48 PM (/k+l4)
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Ahhhhhhh, a true brethren of the coast are ye. Fair winds to ye and fellow salts.
Posted by: Tomslick at September 19, 2005 03:41 PM (xNjHI)
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Aye. When the grog run out, may the winds always fill yer sails as ye keep two steps ahead o' th' law.
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September 18, 2005
New Neighbor #31
Time again to introduce yet another new neighbor! This week, please welcome
Dunker Journal is "An ongoing commentary from a faithful, evangelical perspective within the Church of the Brethren." What's the Church of the Brethern?
They'll tell you. One of their first concerns is that
the Bible is true. I agree.
Much of the blog site appears to be focused on the Church of the Brethern. However, there's plenty more on current issues commentary, including
Hurricane Katrina that points out how stupid the people who are blaming Bush will soon look.
The weekly archives go all the way back to June, 2002 -- that's nearly eternity in the blogosphere, isn't it? There's also other current events articles dealing with
global warming,
weather-related deaths, and
school prayer. Head on over and take a look.
The blog has a very clean design layout and design and is easy on the eyes. Stop by and say hello, why don't you?
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Senator Kweesy?
Have you heard that the certifiably unbalanced Kweesy Enfume might becomes a US Senator?
That's practically beyond my comprehension abilities. Can you even imagine such an incredible racist in the Senate? Are there really that many complete and total idiots that live in Maryland that this fool might actually have a chance?
Have you seen this loon's
website and platform? Over half of the issues listed on his website don't even have active links. I guess that means he either hasn't taken a poll to determine his position on those issues, or he hasn't figured out how to blame white people for them.
In his
announcement for this election run, he actually mentioned that he wasn't entitled to announce his election -- implying that he IS entitled to being elected.
He wants Hillary Healthcare + 10 -- ZERO free markets involved in medicine, only government. That's all he said in his speech. He likes nice things and he wants to completely destroy all semblances of freedom when it comes to medicine. The idea that he's a front-runner shows me that this country really is beyond recovering.
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Never lose hope in this Country. It is easy to get frustrated. No matter if this idiot gets it or not, we must always fight and have faith in our Country. It will only be beyond recovery when we give up on it.
Posted by: Jay at September 18, 2005 10:09 AM (BKqRl)
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Thanks, Jay -- I'm not losing hope on the idea of America -- just on today's version of America. I'm not sure it can be reclaimed. I'm thinking the only way to save this country is to start over.
Posted by: Ogre at September 18, 2005 12:18 PM (iJFc9)
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Remember Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton ran for the Presidency. Jackson's son is in Congress.
Don't lose heart, early polls are not too accurate. Perhaps I too am a bit optimistic like Jay because I too think we can reclaim America. It won't be easy, but we can.
Posted by: NYgirl at September 18, 2005 03:00 PM (JEAUq)
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Well when those loons ran, no one really took them seriously. If Feinstein can win, this goon could, too!
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September 17, 2005
What Constitution?
It seems ironic to me that on the 218th anniversary of the signing of the Constitution that I should be bombarded with examples showing that the Constitution really just doesn't have any meaning any more. We are truly no longer a representative republic where the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land. Instead we are ruled by men and mobs.
First example is
this video. Sorry assholes. Sure, there were some guilty people in this video -- the sorry-ass damn worthless piles of s**t so-called "policemen." In case you don't view the video, it's a 70- or 80-year old woman with a tiny derringer who wanted to stay in her house.
She very clearly stated to the piles of dog-doo wearing badges that she didn't want the scumbags in her house. Her words were:
I don't want you in here. I don't want you in here, period.
So what did they do? They tackled her and removed her with physical force. With ZERO hyperbole, these slimeballs can be described as Nazi stormtroopers. If you look closely at the video, you'll see this was in an area of New Orleans with ZERO flood damage. This woman was NO danger to anyone else, and she was NO danger even to herself.
Any argument about "public safety" here that you might try and use is going to sound an awful lot like the defenders of the damn Nazis. I'm not exaggerating here -- the document that formed this country doesn't say anywhere in it that any "elected official" has the power to remove people's rights who haven't done anything wrong.
What can I do about it? Nothing other than fight back. This woman should have shot the a-holes that attacked her. Go ahead, try and use the "they were following orders" line. So were the f-ers that rounded up the Jews in Germany and Poland.
You're damn right I'm pissed. I'm pissed that so many sheep, including the rockhead reporters there, will just allow government to do any damn thing they want. The reporters should have gotten off their lazy socialist rear ends and defended this woman.
Until people start standing up to these total abuses, they're going to keep doing it. Go ahead, my good liberal and Democrat readers -- just try and defend this action. I dare you. Show me where the government has the power to declare the Bill of Rights "Null and Void when there's a flood." And then maybe I'll join the government and take away your damn rights because I feel that YOU'RE a danger to society.
Policemen, you SHOULD NOT follow orders that are wrong. Tell the a-holes like Mayor Nagin that if he wants to arrest people for sitting in their own houses, he can get his rear back to New Orleans (from his new house in Dallas) and do it his own damn self. And if you come to my house to remove me, ever, I won't let you in to talk.
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Hey Ogre! I'm with you, I would like to see these two SLIME BALLS who are masquerading as police officers (they are NOT real men), FIRED and their ability to be law enforcement officials REVOKED FOREVER! You know, the President (since this is now a FEDERAL disaster area) can do something about this, how about a letter writing campaign?
Posted by: Smoke Eater at September 17, 2005 07:28 PM (K7uqT)
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If the President were going to do something, he should have had the moronic mayor removed for even giving the order. The president knew what was going on and didn't care. If he won't stop the mayor, there's no way he'll stop the ones who just "followed his orders."
Posted by: Ogre at September 17, 2005 07:45 PM (iJFc9)
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Agree. This is absurd. Leave the woman the hell alone. However, the editing in this piece left something to be desired. You have no idea what transpired between the woman's statement and the tackle. I trust local news less than the police.
Posted by: David Boyd at September 17, 2005 08:10 PM (/KbyP)
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I don't care a whole lot what else transpired. Once the woman said that she didn't want them there, they were supposed to leave. Nothing else really matters. Those who attacked her should be charged with various crimes. Somehow I don't see the ACLU coming to the defense of HER rights.
Posted by: Ogre at September 17, 2005 08:16 PM (iJFc9)
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When liberals look on the Constitution as a "living document" this is what you can expect to see.
The idea of permanence to the Constitution is gone. When judges can simply make up things as they go along, the resulting chaos will be further excuse to expand the police powers of the state at the expense of individual liberties.
It may be too late to reverse things...but we sure have to try.
Posted by: Rick Moran at September 18, 2005 01:22 AM (M7kiy)
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Completely mind numbing ....
And, completely leftist attitude ... i.e., even though that lady opted to stay, she should be forced to leave for her own good.
I hate this.
Posted by: Caren at September 18, 2005 09:12 AM (Vsnqm)
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Rick, you're right. Anything that's determined to be a "living document" means that it only has meaning when those who have power want it to have meaning. In other words, it HAS no meaning.
I'll keep trying, but I really don't see much hope any more. I feel like all I have left to do it keep myself and my family free at all costs.
Posted by: Ogre at September 18, 2005 09:15 AM (iJFc9)
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Summer Vacation
This week's host of the Tarheel Tavern is Poetic Acceptance. If you haven't heard me mention it before, that's a very nicely designed layout on that blog. Go on over and just take a glance, it's just plain nice.
Our host,
Erin suggested a topic for this week's Tarheel Tavern: "What I Did Over Summer Vacation" Well, okay, you asked:
I was driving through Sloatsburg, NY -- how did I get there? Driving up the NJ turnpike towards NH from NC, there were dozens of notices about the Geo. Washington Bridge being closed, so I got off and drove around. After driving around NJ for an hour, trying to follow roads that weren't on the map, I wandered in New York.
I drove around New York, completely lost, for awhile. After about two hours of being lost, I spotted the entrance to I-87 -- I could get where I wanted via I-87. I even drove under the interstate while attempting to get to it. Then I turned left, attempting to reach the entrance ramp. I never made it.
Some young girl came flying around a turn at quite a high rate of speed and ensured that I didn't make it to the entrance ramp. Damn those airbags are nasty. The Dodge van did it's job -- no real severe injuries, despite a 55mph+ hit on the right front (she was driving a Chrysler Convertible). Some air bag burns and some minor cracked bones and that's it.
Then the fun began. Both vehicles were completely destroyed. The woman's relatives were there within a few minutes, but I was hundreds of miles from anyone I knew, without transportation, on a Friday night. Ugh. The vehicle was towed and I didn't get out of the hospital until about midnight. The wrecking yard wouldn't be open until Monday.
To make a long story short -- I ended up in a hotel, did a lot of walking, almost got arrested for climbing the fence to get in the wrecking yard to get medicine from the van, but eventually I hitched a ride to Newburgh where I finally rented a car and slept in it until Monday when I got back to the van, got my stuff, and continued on to New Hampshire.
So, what exciting adventures did you have?
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I'm sorry to hear you had such a bad experience in NY
Hope you have a better time on your next visit.
Posted by: NYgirl at September 18, 2005 03:03 PM (JEAUq)
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Don't worry -- it didn't make me think any worse of New York!
Posted by: Ogre at September 18, 2005 04:31 PM (iJFc9)
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Während die glazial geprägten Landschaften
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Your Tax Dollars at Work
Gee, what a contrast. First we have Bush saying that there will be no tax increases to pay the $200+ billion for hurricane relief. He said it's going to cost a lot of money and that, despite absolutely no authority from the Constitution, he's willing to force YOU to pay for that recovery.
He said he's not going to take money from working Americans. I guess he's just going to steal it from another country, then? Where else is he going to get it? Even if he doesn't increase taxes, we're STILL paying for it. He claims he's going to reduce spending -- I sure hope he does -- Washington has done nothing but INCREASE spending for years. I'm not holding my breath.
He has said that he will reduce pork spending in order to "help" evacuees (since according to the co-Kings of The Blacks, Jesse and Louis, we can't call them refugees). One way to help was to give them $2,000 debit cards. The government canceled those, then decided to give them $5,000 "accounts."
Then we have
this (H/T to
NIF). Apparently some of those people that are in "dire straits" and "need our help" at gunpoint are using the cash they get to buy beer in strip clubs (at $1.75 each).
Are they gouging the customers? Is $1.75 "too much" to charge for beer? Since *I* am paying for those beers, don't I have a right to set the price of the beers? And how much are they paying for lap dances? If government (ME) is paying, I have a right to know if they're getting their money's worth, don't I?
I've mentioned it
before -- this is very, very wrong. This is the sort of thing when happens when government gets involved. Now don't start saying things about "a few bad apples-" it doesn't matter if 1% of the people who got money did this -- it shows the money was wasted.
The United States Government does NOT have the power to TAKE money from me and GIVE it to someone else they like more. It's WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!! There's NO WAY you can convince me, especially with examples like this, that there's ANY good going on here.
If government got the hell out of the way, these people WOULD be helped! How I yearn for freedom -- freedom FROM government. Anyone want to form a Constitutional Republic with me? I already know a
really good way to set up a government that would work very well...
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That's what I like about you, you are 150% right about that. I am joining the Constitution Party because they at least understand the concept of what the Constitution says. Believe me I feel badly for those people along the Gulf Coast, but charity is for the individual to undertake not the Federal Government to give Public Money away.
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I want these people to use the bulk of this extra money to get their lives back together. But I honestly don't mind if they use a little of it to "play" with. After all they've been through, you'd think they'd need to party and wind down a bit. I would.
Posted by: ticklebug at September 17, 2005 12:15 PM (sO5Q4)
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Thanks, David! Perhaps in Texas, they allow that. Here in North Carolina, the Constitution Party is banned from participating in elections. Why? Because the Democrats don't want any competition, that's why.
And ticklebug, here's my problem: Fine, YOU want to buy those folks beer. That's fine, you buy them beer. *I* don't want to, and I shouldn't be forced at gunpoint (which I AM, via taxes) to buy them that beer.
How about this: I want a beer. You MUST buy me one, or you have to go to jail. Is that wrong?
Posted by: Ogre at September 17, 2005 02:03 PM (iJFc9)
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Typical ticklebug comment. Make liberal excuses. When you are in dire straits and living on someone else's dime, you suck it up and make the most efficient use of the resources GIVEN to you. To do otherwise is being an ungrateful sack of crap.
Oh, you don't suppose that's why they were living such crappy lives to begin with, do ya?
Please.
http://csc5502dsays.typepad.com/my_weblog/
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I just want to see where the line is -- ticklebug wants to pay to buy those people a beer -- so I want to know if I get one, too. If not, why not? What if I lose my job? I was in a car accident, will ticklebug pay for my beer now?
Posted by: Ogre at September 17, 2005 02:22 PM (iJFc9)
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You may be interested in my series of posts on the differences between voluntary charity and government welfare, the last (so far) of which is here: http://hamstermotor.motime.com/post/494870
Posted by: Tom at September 17, 2005 03:00 PM (qn/om)
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guess taxpayers can't control what have become of the money they give..makes me thing that today governing systems need to a total makeover.
Let's make it more like a corporation, with taxpayers as the shareholders..
Posted by: Eko at September 17, 2005 06:15 PM (VRFzp)
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Eko, how about we make it like the Constitution designed it -- limited government, small with limited federal powers and the states and the people retaining all the rights instead of the other way around?
Posted by: Ogre at September 17, 2005 07:05 PM (iJFc9)
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If that's the case then, no money should be given to these people at all considering the fact that we can't control how they use it.
Let 'em die, I say!
Posted by: ticklebug at October 14, 2005 10:19 PM (k7U8D)
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Well, if you want them to die, I suppose you're entitled to your opinion. Sounds like a horrible way to view life, but hey, it's a free country.
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September 16, 2005
Constitution Day!
Today is Constitution Day (okay, technically it's tomorrow, but I'm celebrating today)! All day long will be posts about the Constitution here. Scroll down to read the posts as they appear all day long (this post will remain at the top). What's your favorite part?
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Posted by: Ogre at September 16, 2005 12:59 PM (/k+l4)
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While I immediately think of good old #2; that is a very serious question ... and one that is hard to answer.
EG -
: would firearm ownership be all that useful if "they" could just take it from you? (Sure, you might shoot one or two of them, but that is a losing fight (atleast for you!)).
: Not everyone owns a firearm, but everyone has a voice ...
: Or would firearms be that useful is noone could afford them?
etc. etc.
/TJ
PS - Having said that, I think I will stick with #2 as the single most important.
Posted by: TJ at September 16, 2005 01:20 PM (PL7dL)
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Actually tomorrow (September 17) is Constitution Day. But good getting a jump on it during the week.
Favorite -- the 1st Amendment. No democratic country with a free press has ever had a famine. Accountability is the first line of defense of a free people.
Posted by: Terry Turner at September 16, 2005 01:25 PM (LQJdM)
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Hmmm... I wonder if I should have made the question more difficult and asked which part of the Constitution (sans Amendments) is your favorite...
Thanks for stopping by!
Posted by: Ogre at September 16, 2005 01:56 PM (/k+l4)
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Ogre, these posts will be a great resource. Going to dig into them this evening -- while my wife will be off at a college lecture on the challenges/problems with the Judiciary. (Sounds like a romantic evening to moi!)
Posted by: The MaryHunter at September 16, 2005 03:56 PM (SRaIZ)
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My favorite part is the first paragraph:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Yet We the People are loosing our constitutional rights because of groups like the ACLU.
I WANT OUR RIGHTS BACK!
Posted by: JustaDog at September 16, 2005 07:04 PM (qtv7U)
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TMH -- tell her to take a copy of the Constitution with her -- even if it does confuse the instructor.
And JustaDog, I couldn't agree more - I want my rights!
Posted by: Ogre at September 16, 2005 07:24 PM (iJFc9)
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You are on a ROLL dude.
Posted by: jason at September 17, 2005 01:10 AM (2leSc)
Posted by: Ogre at September 17, 2005 08:44 AM (iJFc9)
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Ogre, the Sig OtherHunter had a real treat: the lecturer was George Mason U's Nelson Lund ( http://www.gmu.edu/departments/law/faculty/bio.php?fac=31 ), whose latest publication is "Lawrence v. Texas and Judicial Hubris" ( http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=534343 ). The guy was captivating, brilliant, and held no punches when it came to systematically dismissing the likes of Stevens, Ginsburg, Breyer & Co. as abject kooks who are seriously undermining the Judiciary and the nation with their disregard for the Constitution and principles of good law.
I so wish I had been there... Wife is going to get a printed copy of the talk, lemme know if you're interested.
Posted by: The MaryHunter at September 17, 2005 09:57 AM (SRaIZ)
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Oh, you betcha! If you can get me a copy of that, I'd LOVE to read it! Thanks for the offer!!
Posted by: Ogre at September 17, 2005 01:58 PM (iJFc9)
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I've been thinking about this today - and my favorite is the First.
All the other liberties stem from this. BOTH parts of the Establishmnet Clause, however.
Oh, and the 21st isn't bad either!
Posted by: Peter Porcupine at September 17, 2005 06:03 PM (kltgP)
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The 21st? Well that one was a step in the right direction, eh?
Posted by: Ogre at September 17, 2005 07:07 PM (iJFc9)
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US Constitution, Wrap-up
Well, folks, that's all for our United States Constitution Day celebration! There's cake and ice cream in the back for those who want it.
Thanks for stopping by, and thanks for reading any and all of the Constitution that you did. I hope you did read at least some of it. If you want to see it all in one place, the U.S. House's web site
has a copy posted. Please read it, if you haven't.
Seriously, you should know and understand this document if you live in this country. Carry it with you. Ask questions. When you see a federal elected official doing something, ask them to point out where YOU gave him permission to. If it's not in the Constitution, he doesn't really HAVE your permission, does he?
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US Constitution, Other Amendments
I'm going to lump all the rest of the amendments to the Constitution in this one post. They do indeed have as much power of law as the other amendments, but they are just seen as inferior to the others. Well, in a way they are. They're not part of the original document. Some are just silly.
Either way, I don't see any more amendments ever happening. To get an amendment passed it takes the votes of the legislatures of 38 states. As sharply divided as this country has become, do you think there's any chance that there's ANYTHING that 38 state legislatures can agree upon?
Then again, that's why the Constitution was set up the way it was -- it's not supposed to be easy to change...
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The 16th amendment is the amendment that didn't change the Constitution. Since it didn't repeal any of the pre-existing taxing clauses of the Constitution, and the Constitution can not be in conflict with itself, the 16th didn't change anything. The Supreme Court of the United States REAFFIRMED this in the following case:
U.S. Supreme Court
STANTON v. BALTIC MINING CO, 240 U.S. 103 (1916)
240 U.S. 103
JOHN R. STANTON, Appt.,
v.
BALTIC MINING COMPANY et al.
No. 359.
Argued October 14 and 15, 1915.
Decided February 21, 1916.
"The contention is that as the tax here imposed is not on the net product, but in a sense somewhat equivalent to a tax on the gross product of the working of the mine by the corporation, therefore the tax is not within the purview of the 16th Amendment,
and consequently it must be treated as a direct tax on property because of its ownership, and as such void for want of apportionment. But, aside from the obvious error of the proposition, intrinsically considered, it manifestly disregards the fact that by the previous ruling it was settled that the provisions of the 16th Amendment conferred no new power of taxation, but simply prohibited the previous complete and plenary power of income taxation possessed by Congress from the beginning from being taken out of the category of indirect taxation to which it inherently belonged..."
Posted by: Steve at September 18, 2005 04:04 PM (IQm/S)
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Which simply reinforces my opinion that it's the worst amendment ever.
Posted by: Ogre at September 18, 2005 04:34 PM (iJFc9)
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