The Morning Rant: Coal Deserves A Second Look

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Well, it has always been an amazingly efficient source of energy, and one with fewer technological issues that complicate extraction. It can be transported on existing infrastructure (rail lines), and is much safer during transport than any other fossil fuel. Modern coal-fired power plants are also amazingly clean... no killing smog like in London in the 1950s!

Oh...we also have enough of it to power America for hundreds of years!

So what's the problem?

Two generations of rabid environmentalists/communists have conspired to destroy the image of coal. People now think of strip-mined hillsides and monstrous plumes of black smoke belching from smokestacks, rather than cheap, clean, and abundant energy that is entirely produced in America.

Add in the idiocy of Anthropogenic Global Warming/Climate Change^TM, and we have demonized coal so much that we are closing perfectly good power plants just because coal is icky, and its use creates carbon dioxide. You know...the stuff that plants eat to feed us and make oxygen so we can breathe!

You Pay Each Month for Closing Coal Power

Coal kept the cost of electricity at an affordable level for over a century but idealistic policy decisions to close to 300 coal plants in the last 15 years have opened the door for higher and more volatile electricity prices. In 2010, the price of electricity in the U.S. was about 11 cents per kilowatt hour. By 2026 the price of electricity has increased 75% to 19 cents. And, according to the Department of Energy, rates could increase another 40% in the next four years. Meanwhile coal generation has dropped from 45% of America's power to barely 16% today and is projected to decline another 50% by 2030. In statistics this is called an inverse correlation. Simply put, the more we reduce coal generation the more we will pay for electricity. It is a sad irony that the very people who were instrumental in prematurely closing efficient coal plants, now whine about increases in the cost of electricity.

Energy is life, and inexpensive and abundant energy drives economic growth unlike any other input. We created the greatest economic engine in human history by providing that energy, and much of it was coal! The increased use of petroleum correlates with the rise of the automobile, which makes engineering sense because gasoline and diesel are so energy dense. But the steel used to build those cars was made with coal energy, and using coal for industrial power and electrical generation is a perfect pairing with petroleum for transportation.

Another reason for the decline of coal and its vilification is its history as the fuel for the rise of the West, and America in particular. It is linked with post-modern evils such as industrialization, colonialism, etc. It powered the great industries of the 19th century West, and is linked with the dominance of White Europeans over the rest of the world.

So the crypto-communist environmental lobby has pushed to destroy our greatest source of energy, and the intended consequence is that electricity costs have skyrocketed! Because they want us to regress to the mean, and that mean is European summers during which tens of thousands of people die from the heat, because they are too poor to afford air conditioning. And look forward to wearing coats inside during the winter, because fuel will become so expensive that Jimmy Carter's cardigan will become a quaint glimpse of a better time!

[Crossposted at CutJibNewsletter and X/Twitter]. And if you folks who are on X/Twitter would follow me it would be much appreciated!

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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1 It can be lunch time

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2026 11:03 AM (J76xR)

2 And dutifully called em

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2026 11:03 AM (J76xR)

3 Also this isn't a hat trick

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2026 11:04 AM (J76xR)

4 CBD - I am going to read. your. post!!

Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2026 11:05 AM (Gqar8)

5 Look at Germany, in worship of the Red Climate Goddess they Morgenthau Plan themselves.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2026 11:05 AM (C/v00)

6 hola chamucos y chamucas

Posted by: grass monkey at October 15, 2026 11:06 AM (eP4XR)

7 SPONGE!!!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 15, 2026 11:06 AM (2e8h4)

8 Are we counting whale oil as a renewable? Because I guess it is.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 15, 2026 11:07 AM (vTZFs)

9 It's difficult to believe how stupid people are or eager to fill the God-shaped hole in their hearts with whatever comes along...like saving Mother Gaia.

CBC had a story about the feds commiting $100 for wind energy off the East Coast, completely ignoring all the issues surrounding wind energy documented so well by others.

Oh, and President Trump says the execution won't be live-streamed.

Fine. I'll do pay per view.

Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy 106 years old - puppy at heart at October 15, 2026 11:08 AM (Sco7b)

10 Coal does not come without costs. Natural gas, nuclear, and solar are superior across many metrics (probably not wind though). In particular, coal kills a lot of people, though less than it used to:

https://www.msha.gov/coal-fatalities

On health effects: https://tinyurl.com/y3xxyvd2

Posted by: Mastiff at October 15, 2026 11:08 AM (SFhY1)

11 Whale oil?

There is more than one Lena Dunham?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2026 11:08 AM (C/v00)

12 You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter, don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store...

Posted by: Zombie Tennessee Ernie Ford at October 15, 2026 11:08 AM (VNBA8)

13 I'll take coal over those damned wind turbines any day.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 15, 2026 11:09 AM (2WIwB)

14 You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter, don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store...
Posted by: Zombie Tennessee Ernie Ford at October 15, 2026 11:08 AM (VNBA

***

Not the worst ear worm.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 15, 2026 11:10 AM (2WIwB)

15 Live streaming the execution made sure the world is aware.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 15, 2026 11:11 AM (35ICP)

16 Is there a graph or list showing how often a wind turbine catches fire?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2026 11:11 AM (C/v00)

17 People in general have bought the " coal dirty" message that was pushed down their throats their whole life.

Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2026 11:11 AM (YwEeS)

18 "In the United States, coal resources are larger than remaining natural gas and oil resources, when measured by total British thermal units (Btu)."

https://www.eia.gov/coal/reserves/

they also have a nice map there. Surprising to many is that IL and MO have large deposits of coal.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 15, 2026 11:12 AM (vbXSk)

19 Are we counting whale oil as a renewable? Because I guess it is.
Posted by: Oddbob

Takes awhile to grow a new whale, but technically, yeah. It's renewable.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2026 11:12 AM (oqpkA)

20 Once upon a time I was a coal miner, for many years. And yet, I survivrd. The forces arrayed against coal were/are well funded and organized. They effectively destroyed the industry in order to promote the Watermelon agenda. It would take a couple of decades of countermeasures to restore the industry. Probably dead then. Maybe better to push nuclear energy.

Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2026 11:13 AM (Gqar8)

21 To return to coal requires quite a big investment. Many of the coal generating plants were old and because of EPA grandfathering and limits on renovations before it became treated as a 'new' coal plant, could not be updated much.

Many of the Eastern mines have closed and the Western mines are indeed strip mines. Western coal had just about pushed all the older Eastern mines into bankruptcy because the West's coal is predominately low sulfur while the East is not. Low sulfur is required to make the necessary scrubbers on emissions work.

Particulate regulation by the EPA is also something that many of the aging coal plants cannot meet without grandfathering. Same issue that required diesels to be cleaned up and required emission systems on diesel engines.

Add in all the costs of meeting environmental standards of today, I dunno if coal can be priced cheap enough for utility plants to return to using it for new plants.

In part, it is also because natural gas does fine in power generation, is quicker to start and stop, emits a lot less problematic emissions and has no problem meeting a lot of EPA standards without expensive emissions equipment.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:13 AM (E4rtv)

22 And we can turn coal into fuel to power vehicles other than electric.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2026 11:13 AM (C/v00)

23 Takes awhile to grow a new whale, but technically, yeah. It's renewable.
Posted by: rickb223 at
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Fucking Chinese

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 15, 2026 11:14 AM (35ICP)

24 Tag line on our "Friends of Coal" KY license plates: "Coal It Keeps The Lights On."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 15, 2026 11:14 AM (RORbl)

25 We can sell coal to third world shitholes. And China ( a distinction without a difference ).

Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2026 11:15 AM (Gqar8)

26 I remember coal trucks plying the streets of Brooklyn, coal chutes in buildings, coal ash in the galvanized trash cans, kids throwing the coal ash clumps at each other. A wonderful normal childhood.

Posted by: Trump Digs Coal! at October 15, 2026 11:15 AM (EdP2u)

27 Global Warming has been the most successful communist plan since the Russian Revolution.

They will not give that up easily and coal is the centerpiece of their demonization of carbon over the past three decades.

Meanwhile, China is producing new coal plants weekly.

The normies will not understand the full plan until their freezing in their homes by candlelight while reading the New York Times explaining to them how they need to cut back on energy use this month.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:15 AM (6ydKt)

28 17 People in general have bought the " coal dirty" message that was pushed down their throats their whole life.
Posted by: steevy

Because old coal power plants were in fact dirty. They dropped particulates down wind of those stacks. Same as being next to railroad tracks when coal was used for locomotives instead of diesel/electric.

New plants can be built that don't have that problem but require expensive and temperamental emissions scrubbers, etc. And that makes it easier for power companies to just turn to natural gas that does not have those problems.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:16 AM (E4rtv)

29 Particulate regulation by the EPA is also something that many of the aging coal plants cannot meet without grandfathering. Same issue that required diesels to be cleaned up and required emission systems on diesel engines^^^^^^^^
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Both a communist plot.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 15, 2026 11:17 AM (35ICP)

30 16 Is there a graph or list showing how often a wind turbine catches fire?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2026 11:11 AM (C/v00)

I'm not sure they'd want to keep publicly available records on that particular issue.

Bird strikes either.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:17 AM (6ydKt)

31 Guess the trool was fed coal ash growing up. Parents probably mixed it with gray water and called it Ovaltine.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2026 11:17 AM (C/v00)

32 EPA - right there with the DOE.

Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2026 11:18 AM (Gqar8)

33 I remember when the evil bitch Hillary was so full of herself and so confident that she was *entitled* to be the President that she went to a coal-producing state and included in her speech words to the effect of "Oh yes, I'm definitely going to cost you jobs".

Posted by: Crusader at October 15, 2026 11:18 AM (TN0g+)

34 We, the people of Centralia PA, long for the return of Big Coal!

Ha Ha! There are no people in Centralia!

Posted by: Ring Of Fire at October 15, 2026 11:19 AM (EdP2u)

35 New plants can be built that don't have that problem but require expensive and temperamental emissions scrubbers, etc. And that makes it easier for power companies to just turn to natural gas that does not have those problems.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:16 AM (E4rtv)

Makes sense, but I'm sure coal is cheaper to produce and ship than NG.

You can make up the 'scrubber' cost with lower cost fuel, I'd think. At least to where it evens out in a few years.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:19 AM (6ydKt)

36 Don't the sea based wind turbines drive whales insane as well? I find it hilarious that the technology the left loves so much massacres animals they purport to care about.

Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2026 11:19 AM (YwEeS)

37 Clean owl. Mr President says Clean Coal.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 15, 2026 11:19 AM (35ICP)

38 Fracking did more to kill coal than anything the government did. When natural gas was such an abundant by-product they were just burning it off it was clear it would surpass coal - and thankfully it did take some steam out of the renewable push since it is pretty clean and super reliable, as well as cheap.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 15, 2026 11:19 AM (7/DDO)

39 A friend in PA buys bagged anthracite coal to heat his deer/get away/ card playing and drinkin' camp. Keeps the place toasty warm in the winter, burns pretty clean without much odor. He buys it by the half pallet, which, IIRC is about a half ton.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 15, 2026 11:19 AM (gm9Sb)

40 In part, it is also because natural gas does fine in power generation, is quicker to start and stop, emits a lot less problematic emissions and has no problem meeting a lot of EPA standards without expensive emissions equipment.
Posted by: whig

We need to find a way to burn clay. Since Texas was at the bottom of an ocean at one time, we have an over abundance of clay.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2026 11:20 AM (oqpkA)

41 34 We, the people of Centralia PA, long for the return of Big Coal!

Ha Ha! There are no people in Centralia!

Posted by: Ring Of Fire at October 15, 2026 11:19 AM (EdP2u)

Mining coal does not generally cause underground fires that burn for decades. That was a freak thing due to human mistakes that is rarely, if ever, repeated.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:20 AM (6ydKt)

42 Jonah Goldberg's wife loves to burn coal.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 15, 2026 11:21 AM (hG7ox)

43 The toxic chemicals in coal ash (especially fly ash) are still there if not blown into the sky or washed into the river - somewhere. In fact the disposal problem might even be worse now because more of it is piling up around the plant.
Mostly arsenic and mercury, although cadmium and lead also make their appearance.
In 2021 there was talk about using high-pressure, reasonably-heated citric acid to separate some of these metals but it's 2026 now...

Posted by: 88C+u at October 15, 2026 11:21 AM (88C+u)

44 We, the people of Centralia PA, long for the return of Big Coal!

Ha Ha! There are no people in Centralia!
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I think they're living there in Allentown...

Posted by: Crusader at October 15, 2026 11:21 AM (TN0g+)

45 22 And we can turn coal into fuel to power vehicles other than electric.
Posted by: Anna Puma
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We can, we can even turn it into coal gas as a nat gas substitute, but the process is kinda nasty. Coal gas sites from over a century ago are still EPA superfund type sites because of the nasty concentrated byproducts from that process.

Carbon is wonderfully complex and has its own specialty organic chemistry that takes advantage of that. But, not all processes that can be done actually pay out without either subsidies or some other tactic like mandated alcohol content in gasoline. Synthetic gasoline production was used by the Notsees and later by South Africa during it being sanctioned but were done more from desperation in lacking crude oil to refine than from economics.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:22 AM (E4rtv)

46 New plants can be built that don't have that problem but require expensive and temperamental emissions scrubbers, etc. And that makes it easier for power companies to just turn to natural gas that does not have those problems.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:16 AM (E4rtv)

Makes sense, but I'm sure coal is cheaper to produce and ship than NG.

You can make up the 'scrubber' cost with lower cost fuel, I'd think. At least to where it evens out in a few years.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:19 AM (6ydKt) ==
Natural gas is extremely easy to move in massive quantities. Pipelines move to nexus points and travel by pipe to the source needed.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 15, 2026 11:22 AM (7/DDO)

47 A friend in PA buys bagged anthracite coal to heat his deer/get away/ card playing and drinkin' camp. Keeps the place toasty warm in the winter, burns pretty clean without much odor. He buys it by the half pallet, which, IIRC is about a half ton.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

My grandfather's sister had a coal stove and a coal heater in her house in Missouri. She had a coal shed right outside the house. I miss the smell of coal burning.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2026 11:22 AM (oqpkA)

48 No more livestreamed execution...

Posted by: Ed Wells at October 15, 2026 11:23 AM (sWgE+)

49 43 The toxic chemicals in coal ash (especially fly ash) are still there if not blown into the sky or washed into the river - somewhere. In fact the disposal problem might even be worse now because more of it is piling up around the plant.
Mostly arsenic and mercury, although cadmium and lead also make their appearance.
In 2021 there was talk about using high-pressure, reasonably-heated citric acid to separate some of these metals but it's 2026 now...
Posted by: 88C+u

Some tailings are apparently a possible source for rare earth metals. Coal ash became such a nuisance to get rid of that cinder blocks were invented.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:23 AM (E4rtv)

50 Modern mines ( there are some, believe it or not ) that use the room and pillar extraction method are often backfilled with the ash residue from the coal burning plants. This disposes of the ash and prevents most of the mine subsidence that occurs over time.

Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2026 11:23 AM (Gqar8)

51 I could use one of them scrubbers, in my pants!

Posted by: Leaky Joe, Wilmington at October 15, 2026 11:23 AM (EdP2u)

52 Some here may recall the Ford debacle here in KY with their "Blue Oval" EV battery plant that went tits up a few months after commencing operations. Well, they're not totally giving up on batteries.

They're going to produce shipping container-sized lithium iron phosphate (LFP) prismatic batteries for data centers, utilities, and other industrial customers.

Targeting mid-to-late 2027 to start shipping them out.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 15, 2026 11:23 AM (RORbl)

53 I remember once reading that it was an Ontario goal to have the lowest electricity rates around the Great Lakes and manufacturing boomed.

I do remember the switch to green energy and manufacturing getting hollowed out for better areas. Energy costs were a HUGE issue for awhile.

Steel manufacturer Stelco will be ignoring the government and cutting jobs too apparently because the trade war is going so well. The socialist unions should be happy to share their high-paying jobs with those with less.

Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy 106 years old - puppy at heart at October 15, 2026 11:24 AM (Sco7b)

54 Forget coal. Nuclear power is the past but is actually the future. And my hometown is building the first workable fusion reactor.

Always move forward, don't go back. This ain't the 1800s anymore. Let the Chicoms burn coal. We can fission and fuse atoms for clean unlimited power.

Posted by: Ed Wells at October 15, 2026 11:24 AM (sWgE+)

55 I don't care if it is live streamed or not as long as he is executed.

Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2026 11:25 AM (YwEeS)

56 Coal is BUFF BTUs

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 15, 2026 11:25 AM (35ICP)

57 We need to find a way to burn clay. Since Texas was at the bottom of an ocean at one time, we have an over abundance of clay.
Posted by: rickb223
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Welp, you can make a lot of stuff with clay--bricks, etc. But would take more power than it would ever generate to 'burn' it.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:25 AM (E4rtv)

58 And my hometown is building the first workable fusion reactor.

To power your monorail?

Posted by: 88C+u at October 15, 2026 11:26 AM (88C+u)

59 Steel manufacturer Stelco will be ignoring the government and cutting jobs too apparently because the trade war is going so well. The socialist unions should be happy to share their high-paying jobs with those with less.

Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy 106 years old - puppy at heart at October 15, 2026 11:24 AM (Sco7b)
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I realize we are talking coal, but Canada has a death wish if they think they are going to win a trade war with the US. They are starting to lose bigly and it will just get worse.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 15, 2026 11:26 AM (7/DDO)

60 Natural gas is extremely easy to move in massive quantities. Pipelines move to nexus points and travel by pipe to the source needed.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 15, 2026 11:22 AM (7/DDO)

OK, but so is coal easy to move, on rail lines, which it did for a century.

That NG won't last forever.
We have enough coal in the ground to provide the country with energy, if needed, for centuries.

I'm als not against expanding nuclear.

I would like more, and varied, forms of energy sources and production (including wind & solar where appropriate) to lower overall costs for everybody and have backups in case of failure somewhere.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:27 AM (6ydKt)

61 The Nazis used coal and coal oil burning trucks and vehicles in occupied Norway. My Mom and Dad had memories of them. Gasoline was a precious commodity.

Posted by: Holzvergaser at October 15, 2026 11:27 AM (EdP2u)

62 29 Particulate regulation by the EPA is also something that many of the aging coal plants cannot meet without grandfathering. Same issue that required diesels to be cleaned up and required emission systems on diesel engines^^^^^^^^
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Both a communist plot.

Posted by: Braenyard
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I don't have the same liking for diesel (or coal) particulates from combustion. Pretty nasty to breathe and causes health problems if you do it long enough.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:27 AM (E4rtv)

63 Canada is government by TDS , they truly seem blind to the consequences.

Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2026 11:27 AM (YwEeS)

64 58 And my hometown is building the first workable fusion reactor.

To power your monorail?

Posted by: 88C+u at October 15, 2026 11:26 AM (88C+u)

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Is there a chance the track could bend?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, taking speed with Bob Fosse at October 15, 2026 11:29 AM (jxbDg)

65 60

I would like more, and varied, forms of energy sources and production (including wind & solar where appropriate) to lower overall costs for everybody and have backups in case of failure somewhere.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:27 AM (6ydKt)

Yep, that’s the way to go. Energy, cheap, from all available sources. Take the Watermelons out of the equation, and that is easily done in America.

Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2026 11:29 AM (Gqar8)

66 63 Canada is government by TDS , they truly seem blind to the consequences.

Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2026 11:27 AM (YwEeS)

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Reddit is a real place.

It's called Canada.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, taking speed with Bob Fosse at October 15, 2026 11:29 AM (jxbDg)

67 but not the Chinese coal...it's full of sulfur and heavy metals...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:29 AM (l3cgK)

68 58 And my hometown is building the first workable fusion reactor.

To power your monorail?
Posted by: 88C+u at October 15, 2026 11:26 AM (88C+u)

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LOL. No, the absurd amount of data centers...

Posted by: Ed Wells at October 15, 2026 11:30 AM (sWgE+)

69 61 The Nazis used coal and coal oil burning trucks and vehicles in occupied Norway. My Mom and Dad had memories of them. Gasoline was a precious commodity.
Posted by: Holzvergaser at October 15, 2026 11:27 AM (EdP2u)

One nazi dude tried to bring it to the US. His patents are owned by Cat now. Technology shelved.
Rudolf Gunnerman.

Posted by: Reforger at October 15, 2026 11:30 AM (Ae6Br)

70 OT: My younger one (will be 20 soon) wanted to get an e-scooter...found out today that you need a driver's license for any motorized scooter (even an e-scooter), but none for an e-bike...What can I say? Kalifornia pimped bikes, not scooters.

Penguins...Bike Riders...Vegetarians...
Three groups you can't defy in Kalifornia

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:31 AM (l3cgK)

71 57 We need to find a way to burn clay. Since Texas was at the bottom of an ocean at one time, we have an over abundance of clay.
Posted by: rickb223
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Welp, you can make a lot of stuff with clay--bricks, etc. But would take more power than it would ever generate to 'burn' it.
Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:25 AM (E4rtv)

Our replacements can use it to build tandoors.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 15, 2026 11:31 AM (hG7ox)

72 OK, but so is coal easy to move, on rail lines, which it did for a century.

That NG won't last forever.
We have enough coal in the ground to provide the country with energy, if needed, for centuries.

I'm als not against expanding nuclear.

I would like more, and varied, forms of energy sources and production (including wind & solar where appropriate) to lower overall costs for everybody and have backups in case of failure somewhere.
Posted by: SpeakingOf

You have to subsidize it if you want coal or get rid of the environmental regulations on it via the Clean Air Act. And that is the issue regarding new power sources--how much do you subsidize or require by legislative fiat that utilities and individuals have to use it.

In some cases, like national security, we can see that producing oil at home prevented us from the Middle East vetoing our actions by oil embargoes. But Trump is not subsidizing the petroleum industry to do it. It is economically efficient for us right now. We can move to producing more coal fired plants over time but the investment is expensive compared to nat gas and either ratepayers or governments will have to pay to spin those plants up.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:33 AM (E4rtv)

73 Spot on. Carbon-based energy abundance fuels prosperity & freedom, which is why the green/red axis is seeking to outlaw coal & petroleum.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at October 15, 2026 11:33 AM (XNCwt)

74 69 61 The Nazis used coal and coal oil burning trucks and vehicles in occupied Norway. My Mom and Dad had memories of them. Gasoline was a precious commodity.
Posted by: Holzvergaser at October 15, 2026 11:27 AM (EdP2u)

One nazi dude tried to bring it to the US. His patents are owned by Cat now. Technology shelved.
Rudolf Gunnerman.

Posted by: Reforger at October 15, 2026 11:30 AM (Ae6Br)

And Nazis are totes bad and thus coal and petroleum are bad.--Leftists

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:33 AM (l3cgK)

75 My old farm house has a coal room in the basement. Big furnace in the basement ... had to haul out the old clinkers. Switched to electric ... late 60's I guess.

The anthracite coal burns pretty clean, but I think that is mostly PA and OH areas. Can get it by the bag at Tractor Supply type places for $12 for a 40 pound bag, which makes about 16,200 BTUs. So if I needed 220,000 BTUs for the winter, I'd need ~14 bags, seems cheap, I may have done the math wrong.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 15, 2026 11:33 AM (vbXSk)

76 I've already lived in places where we had to wear coats inside in winter because supply for the furnace wasn't sufficient and couldn't be fixed without a 4 figure permit we, being brokeasses, could not afford back then.

Fuck the commies and watermelons. I won't lift a finger for them when the knives come out, except to do my part to help rid us of them. Collateral damage be damned, all out of fucks.

Posted by: heya at October 15, 2026 11:33 AM (G5zYf)

77 71 57 We need to find a way to burn clay. Since Texas was at the bottom of an ocean at one time, we have an over abundance of clay.
Posted by: rickb223
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Welp, you can make a lot of stuff with clay--bricks, etc. But would take more power than it would ever generate to 'burn' it.
Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:25 AM (E4rtv)

Our replacements can use it to build tandoors.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 15, 2026 11:31 AM (hG7ox)

Well, shite, my door's white...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:34 AM (l3cgK)

78 Meanwhile, China operates about 1,200 coal fired generation plants vs about 250 in the US.
China also has dozens more coal fired plants under construction, or planned.
We ship coal mined in KY and WV across the continent by rail (diesel powered) to ports in western Canada where the coal is taken by ship (diesel powered) across the Pacific to ports in China where it's loaded on trains (diesel powered) to be delivered to Chinese power facilities where it's burned without most of the environmental procedures used in the US.
Does this make any sense?

Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy at October 15, 2026 11:34 AM (MNCvZ)

79 Reddit is a real place.

It's called Canada.

Trudeau's former handler Chrystia Freeland has a tell-all book about how his cabinet meetings nearly always involved people crying because he's a big bully.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 15, 2026 11:34 AM (2ocoG)

80 My grandparents had a coal furnace.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 15, 2026 11:34 AM (seCv0)

81
Fuck the middle east
There's too many problems
They just get in the way
We sure could live without them
They hijack our planes
They raise our oil prices

We'll kill them all and have a ball
And end their fuckin' crisis
Beirut, lebanon-won't exist once we're done
Libya, iran-we'll flush the bastards down the can
Syrians and shiites-crush their faces with our might
Then israel and egypt can live in peace without these dicks

Posted by: Political Metalhead at October 15, 2026 11:34 AM (NdCPY)

82 My triple mask protects me against Covid and particulates.

Posted by: Blue-Haired Betty at October 15, 2026 11:34 AM (EdP2u)

83 OT: the judge laughed at Don Lemon's motion to dismiss the criminal charges from his church invasion. Kash Patel is going to continue to prosecute

Posted by: 88C+u at October 15, 2026 11:35 AM (88C+u)

84 I loaded 16 tons and what did I get? A couple lousy tokens that bought me a bag of corn meal at the company store.

Zombie Ernie Ford

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 15, 2026 11:35 AM (gm9Sb)

85
Learn to coal.

Posted by: The West Virginia Employment Commission at October 15, 2026 11:35 AM (XcEQQ)

86 Coal > Thorium fission > process heat > gasify start Coal

Posted by: DaveA at October 15, 2026 11:35 AM (FhXTo)

87 79 Reddit is a real place.

It's called Canada.

Trudeau's former handler Chrystia Freeland has a tell-all book about how his cabinet meetings nearly always involved people crying because he's a big bully.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 15, 2026 11:34 AM (2ocoG)

=========

"I didn't hate Trump enough in my protestations against people who opposed the PM's covid policies today. He yelled in my face for 37 straight minutes. I'm just glad that Trudeau is on the side of women."
-female cabinet minister

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, taking speed with Bob Fosse at October 15, 2026 11:35 AM (jxbDg)

88 Coal, oil, gas, nuclear. There was never a shortage of energy.

Posted by: t-bird at October 15, 2026 11:35 AM (kG5OE)

89
83 OT: the judge laughed at Don Lemon's motion to dismiss the criminal charges from his church invasion. Kash Patel is going to continue to prosecute

Posted by: 88C+u at October 15, 2026 11:35 AM (88C+u)

======

I remember when Lemon wasn't even going to be visited by law enforcement, and it was proof positive that nothing would happen.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, taking speed with Bob Fosse at October 15, 2026 11:36 AM (jxbDg)

90 78 Meanwhile, China operates about 1,200 coal fired generation plants vs about 250 in the US.
China also has dozens more coal fired plants under construction, or planned.
We ship coal mined in KY and WV across the continent by rail (diesel powered) to ports in western Canada where the coal is taken by ship (diesel powered) across the Pacific to ports in China where it's loaded on trains (diesel powered) to be delivered to Chinese power facilities where it's burned without most of the environmental procedures used in the US.
Does this make any sense?

Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy at October 15, 2026 11:34 AM (MNCvZ)

是的。

Posted by: Mr. Xi at October 15, 2026 11:36 AM (l3cgK)

91 I think that too many Canadians have the unfortunate mindset that they are Europeans stuck on this barbarian continent with the barbarians to their south.

Now, they got this honest wanting to be like their motherlands in the UK & France, but they also, unfortunately got their arrogance and superiority complex about America from the same place.

Not All Canucks are like this, of course - we have a few great ones here - but they have been so brainwashed by their media that a good 70% of them can't think straight anymore and believe they are going to virtue signal themselves to victory over Trumphitler.

The latest scare the Canadian government is going for is to keep dropping "America might invade us" pieces everywhere just to rev the engines a little more for Carney & the Liberals.

Its sad to see because they have shot themselves in the foot and are going to bleed out before the EUies can come rescue them.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:36 AM (6ydKt)

92 One nazi dude tried to bring it to the US. His patents are owned by Cat now. Technology shelved.
Rudolf Gunnerman.
Posted by: Reforger

Patents would be dead by now. 20 year limit. We know how to do it. South Africa used it prior to apartheid falling in the 1990's. It is just not price competitive and has problems with the leftover byproducts that can be quite toxic.

Again, we either subsidize it or require its use like ethanol by legislative fiat.

Actually, compressed natural gas is probably a better option under that circumstance and if you had to, you can make an ersatz natural gas aka coal gas from coal. Easier than distillation process. Many old cities in the US had coal gas plants.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:36 AM (E4rtv)

93 Baxk again

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2026 11:37 AM (J76xR)

94 It is pretty simple, those who want to eliminate oil, gas, and coal want people to die. They have already admitted it.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 15, 2026 11:37 AM (B8ieY)

95 hey I saw there was a post about the racist murderer who ambushed police here in Philly

so update for today - the feds are moving in, taking over the investigation based on hate crime - anyway I'm excited

Krasner can't FUBAR this hopefully

Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at October 15, 2026 11:37 AM (j+aD2)

96 Many homes in PA have a room in the basement that was once coal storage, with a chute.

Posted by: Pittsburgh Potty at October 15, 2026 11:37 AM (EdP2u)

97 And Nazis are totes bad and thus coal and petroleum are bad.--Leftists
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:33 AM (l3cgK)

I will say the dude was unrepentant. He also invented the wood pellet, which funded, as well as ripping off investors, his flights of fancy. Some really weird shit happened at the end of his company.
Also of note for any diesel mechanic, he invented the much loved NOx sensor.

Posted by: Reforger at October 15, 2026 11:37 AM (Ae6Br)

98 80 My grandparents had a coal furnace.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 15, 2026 11:34 AM (seCv0)

My 2-G and G-Grandfather had coal mines...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:38 AM (l3cgK)

99 65 60

I would like more, and varied, forms of energy sources and production (including wind & solar where appropriate) to lower overall costs for everybody and have backups in case of failure somewhere.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:27 AM (6ydKt)

Yep, that’s the way to go. Energy, cheap, from all available sources. Take the Watermelons out of the equation, and that is easily done in America.
Posted by: tubal

LIBs would have you curse in the Darkness out of the abject terror of lighting a candle which could possibly remotely trigger a cataclysm on a Galactic Scale.

Solar is the answer for daily hot water; Geothermal is the answer for Real Power. Burning coal is stupid and of better use for fabrication into polymers, plastics and other useful hydrocarbons.

Hydrocarbons are in fact a galactic percursor -- it does not come from dinosaurs. Were there Dinosaurs on Jupiter? Saturn? Pluto -- which is even currently experiencing Global Warming!

Deep sea geothermal will enable underwater cities and wealth beyond any Normal Person's dream of Avarice, except for the LIBs who's only goal is to regulate us all into extinction for existing at all.

TRUMP. HOLD THAT TIGER!

Posted by: MANFRED the Heat Seeking OBOE at October 15, 2026 11:38 AM (EMFSn)

100 The Barky administration was the start of the Green BS, been getting shut off since

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2026 11:38 AM (J76xR)

101 100 The Barky administration was the start of the Green BS, been getting shut off since

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2026 11:38 AM (J76xR)

====

"We need to break our addiction to oil."
-George W. Bush

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, taking speed with Bob Fosse at October 15, 2026 11:39 AM (jxbDg)

102 55 I don't care if it is live streamed or not as long as he is executed.
Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2026 11:25 AM
+++

Oops.
We ramped up production too soon.

Posted by: Jolly Time Popcorn at October 15, 2026 11:40 AM (XcEQQ)

103 91 Canucks should start reviewing some survival techniques. There was an article awhile back in some hippy dippy magazine, maybe Mother Earth News, on how to survive in BC on $2500 a year. Step one. Buy an old .303 and a couple boxes of ammo. Step two. Shoot a moose.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 15, 2026 11:40 AM (gm9Sb)

104 100 The Barky administration was the start of the Green BS, been getting shut off since

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2026 11:38 AM (J76xR)

Nood Green Eel...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:40 AM (l3cgK)

105 101 100 The Barky administration was the start of the Green BS, been getting shut off since

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2026 11:38 AM (J76xR)

====

"We need to break our addiction to oil."
-George W. Bush

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, taking speed with Bob Fosse at October 15, 2026 11:39 AM (jxbDg)

Then stop snorting it, G.W...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:40 AM (l3cgK)

106 Morn' all... I wake up to the latest scandal... Fakelawyergate with the new Press Secretary.. Evidently she claimed to have a law license and the media always after the important stories went investigating... No license to be found.. They are demanding her resignation...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 15, 2026 11:41 AM (+gK6I)

107 Put coal particulates back in the earth.
Filer diesel at the exhaust and put those back into the earth. The are not toxic to earth.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 15, 2026 11:41 AM (35ICP)

108 Nixon was the EPA guy, right?

Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2026 11:41 AM (Gqar8)

109 My 2-G and G-Grandfather had coal mines...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:38 AM

All I got was the shaft.

Posted by: Jerry Lee Lewis at October 15, 2026 11:41 AM (XcEQQ)

110 23 Takes awhile to grow a new whale, but technically, yeah. It's renewable.
Posted by: rickb223 at
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Fucking Chinese

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 15, 2026 11:14 AM (35ICP)

Yes, brame the chinese.

Posted by: Japanese Whaling Scientists at October 15, 2026 11:42 AM (l3cgK)

111 Black gold.
Texas tea.

Posted by: Jed at October 15, 2026 11:43 AM (XcEQQ)

112 109 My 2-G and G-Grandfather had coal mines...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:38 AM

All I got was the shaft.

Posted by: Jerry Lee Lewis at October 15, 2026 11:41 AM (XcEQQ)

They didn't even end up with that in the end...a larger company forced them out, lost all their coal mines.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:43 AM (l3cgK)

113 ‘It’s illegal to gather coal, or even ballast, off raileroad tracks. Move along.’
- a railroad dick

Posted by: Eromero at October 15, 2026 11:43 AM (oJjJL)

114 87 "I didn't hate Trump enough in my protestations against people who opposed the PM's covid policies today. He yelled in my face for 37 straight minutes. I'm just glad that Trudeau is on the side of women."
-female cabinet minister

out: emmanuel goldstein
in: donald j. trump

Posted by: two-minute hate at October 15, 2026 11:43 AM (oY6Yp)

115 It is pretty simple, those who want to eliminate oil, gas, and coal want people to die. They have already admitted it.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 15, 2026 11:37 AM (B8ieY)
___

The devil is like a roaring lion, seeking to devour.

He, and his minions want nothing more than to destroy humanity.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at October 15, 2026 11:43 AM (HHrXL)

116 My grandparents had a coal furnace.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 15, 2026 11:34 AM (seCv0)

We had a coal furnace back in the 50's when I was a kid. My dad worked midnights at a local factory, so my mom would go down to the basement, shake down the grates, and shovel some coal into the fire, making sure it was spread evenly. She would open the small vent on the furnace door to keep a constant draft all night. It was a boiler that made steam for the cast iron radiators. Steady heat all night. If I remember, we used around 9 or 10 tons of coal over the winter. We converted to oil in 1961. No more coal bin, no more shoveling coal.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at October 15, 2026 11:44 AM (hmYU4)

117 100 The Barky administration was the start of the Green BS, been getting shut off since
Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2026 11:38 AM (J76xR)

Clinton era. The reason I know about the nazi water fuel was my FiL worked for Gunnerman at A55. I worked there as a security guard for a few weeks before the lawsuits took everything.
A55 was all about eliminating gas and diesel. Claimed and proved 0 emissions until the EPA changed what an emission was. I think at the behest of the Onasis family.

Posted by: Reforger at October 15, 2026 11:44 AM (Ae6Br)

118 In some cases, like national security, we can see that producing oil at home prevented us from the Middle East vetoing our actions by oil embargoes. But Trump is not subsidizing the petroleum industry to do it. It is economically efficient for us right now. We can move to producing more coal fired plants over time but the investment is expensive compared to nat gas and either ratepayers or governments will have to pay to spin those plants up.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:33 AM (E4rtv)

I don't expect it to happen instantly.
But we just should not abandon coal like we are doing.
This shouldn't have happened to begin with, as we closed too many coal fired plants down that could have been modernized and we wouldn't be facing electricity price hikes like we have seen.

We could be investing in more hydropower, too, but the environmentalists can't stand a blocked river.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:44 AM (6ydKt)

119 88 Coal, oil, gas, nuclear. There was never a shortage of energy.
Posted by: t-bird

Energy production and use are textbook examples of tradeoffs. Lots of items can be 'burned' or in nuclear, split or fused, to produce energy. But each source has its own cost/benefit analysis that makes it quite complex to just get the economics correct.

And you get nat sec problems when you rely on cheap energy that suddenly is no longer available due to crises abroad. And then you are properly f*cked just like Germany is right now. They shut down their nukes and went all in on solar/wind when it did not make sense literally but could do so because they imported cheap Russian nat gas.

Now that is gone, and they are stuffed.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:44 AM (E4rtv)

120 Do I owe environmental reparations for the fact my 2-G Grandfather owned coal mines?...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:45 AM (l3cgK)

121 117 100 The Barky administration was the start of the Green BS, been getting shut off since
Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2026 11:38 AM (J76xR)

Yeah... What ever happened to Solyndra ?

Posted by: It's me donna at October 15, 2026 11:45 AM (+gK6I)

122 84 I loaded 16 tons and what did I get? A couple lousy tokens that bought me a bag of corn meal at the company store.

could be worse. i got a monkey nft.

Posted by: anachronda at October 15, 2026 11:45 AM (oY6Yp)

123 120 Do I owe environmental reparations for the fact my 2-G Grandfather owned coal mines?...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:45 AM (l3cgK)

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Directly to my Swiss bank account, yes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, taking speed with Bob Fosse at October 15, 2026 11:46 AM (jxbDg)

124 Other renewables (some previously mentioned): wood, whale oil, seal oil, dung, grasses...

I'd like to see libbies having to go back to the days of burning their own poop to keep warm and cook their food...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:46 AM (l3cgK)

125 116 When I was a kid about half my town was still heated with coal. Things were looking up for you if you had an automatic stoker, a conveyor device that would feed the furnace. Otherwise, it was "kid, here's the shovel, there's the coal".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 15, 2026 11:47 AM (gm9Sb)

126 121 117 100 The Barky administration was the start of the Green BS, been getting shut off since
Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2026 11:38 AM (J76xR)

Yeah... What ever happened to Solyndra ?

Posted by: It's me donna at October 15, 2026 11:45 AM (+gK6I)

bankrupt in 2011. Investigated for fraud in 2015.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:48 AM (l3cgK)

127 I remember W talking about using switch grass as an alternative energy fuel source. Weird. W was an odd little man, like Carter was said to be.

Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2026 11:48 AM (Gqar8)

128 125 116 When I was a kid about half my town was still heated with coal. Things were looking up for you if you had an automatic stoker, a conveyor device that would feed the furnace. Otherwise, it was "kid, here's the shovel, there's the coal".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 15, 2026 11:47 AM (gm9Sb)

YOU were the automatic conveyor...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:48 AM (l3cgK)

129 The intent behind enviro-communism isn't to replace fossil fuels with "renewables"

The intent is to only allow the elites to have access to energy and to force the peons to return to pre-industrial levels of energy usage and thereby wealth.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 15, 2026 11:48 AM (sKqQm)

130 Step two. Shoot a moose.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 15, 2026 11:40 AM (gm9Sb)

A nice moose could keep a family fed for a few months in the winter.

Only problem:
40,000,000 Canadians
100,000 - 500,000 Moose in Canada

And I'm sure the Indians would get there first.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:49 AM (6ydKt)

131
129 The intent behind enviro-communism isn't to replace fossil fuels with "renewables"

The intent is to only allow the elites to have access to energy and to force the peons to return to pre-industrial levels of energy usage and thereby wealth.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 15, 2026 11:48 AM (sKqQm)

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For all the -isms thrown around, it always seems to boil down to feudalism.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, taking speed with Bob Fosse at October 15, 2026 11:49 AM (jxbDg)

132 no one will read what i write

Posted by: paul at October 15, 2026 11:49 AM (pxPEH)

133 There was, is, never a shortage of fuel sources.

However there is a lack of will to use them.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 15, 2026 11:49 AM (RORbl)

134 115 It is pretty simple, those who want to eliminate oil, gas, and coal want people to die. They have already admitted it.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
The devil is like a roaring lion, seeking to devour.
He, and his minions want nothing more than to destroy humanity.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy

Simpler, as was stated countless times before....

LIBs plead for a Morality which holds COMPROMISE as its standard of Value, making it possible to judge Virtue on the basis of the number of Values which one is willing to Betray.

"Sooner or later you figure out that pragmatism and compromise are principles in a democracy. It's not selling out your convictions." -- Clinton'2005

It's PRECISELY THAT for people who are not Purposfully Morally Blind.

MORAL VANDALISM is the sine qua non of the LIBS, even as they prepare the next rollout of both CLINTON's to find new targets, to level the plane and tilt the wings to inflict maximum damage.

Remember who did this:
"to leave now we would send a message to terrorists and other potential adversaries around the world that they can change our policies by killing our people. It would be open season on Americans." -- Bill Clinton '93

T!HOLD THAT TIGER

Posted by: MANFRED the Heat Seeking OBOE at October 15, 2026 11:49 AM (EMFSn)

135 *both kinds of Indians

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:49 AM (6ydKt)

136 130 Step two. Shoot a moose.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 15, 2026 11:40 AM (gm9Sb)

A nice moose could keep a family fed for a few months in the winter.

Only problem:
40,000,000 Canadians
100,000 - 500,000 Moose in Canada

And I'm sure the Indians would get there first.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:49 AM (6ydKt)

Assuming you can get them out of their casinos and they're not drunk...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:50 AM (l3cgK)

137 For all the -isms thrown around, it always seems to boil down to feudalism.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, taking speed with Bob Fosse at October 15, 2026 11:49 AM (jxbDg)

The Golden Rule.
He who has all the gold, rules.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:50 AM (6ydKt)

138 129 The intent behind enviro-communism isn't to replace fossil fuels with "renewables"

The intent is to only allow the elites to have access to energy and to force the peons to return to pre-industrial levels of energy usage and thereby wealth.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 15, 2026 11:48 AM (sKqQm)

The subtext being, of course, they don’t care if we all die, go back to the life expectancies of 1900 - 42 years.

Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2026 11:50 AM (Gqar8)

139 And you get nat sec problems when you rely on cheap energy that suddenly is no longer available due to crises abroad. And then you are properly f*cked just like Germany is right now. They shut down their nukes and went all in on solar/wind when it did not make sense literally but could do so because they imported cheap Russian nat gas.

One of the oddest things I've seen in recent years is Biden blowing up Germany's pipeline from Russia and the German elites just pretending they didn't know who did it.

Of course the response from the German people was ZZZZZ so I guess if they didn't care...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 15, 2026 11:50 AM (sKqQm)

140 137 For all the -isms thrown around, it always seems to boil down to feudalism.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, taking speed with Bob Fosse at October 15, 2026 11:49 AM (jxbDg)

The Golden Rule.
He who has all the gold, rules.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:50 AM (6ydKt)

until he's overthrown by he who has the greater army.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:51 AM (l3cgK)

141 106 Morn' all... I wake up to the latest scandal... Fakelawyergate with the new Press. . .
Posted by: It's me donna at October 15, 2026 11:41 AM (+gK6I)
——

The election. So pos saying Rick Grenell pocketed 5+ million donation to Kennedy Cntr.
Also Greek ambassador thing is becoming dubious.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 15, 2026 11:51 AM (35ICP)

142 The Wild West seemed pretty big on public executions. Were those just harder times, or did they have the "public justice" concept correct?

idk ... we could also bring back putting the rapists and cartel members in stocks, so people could throw rotten vegetables at them (before incarcerating them)?

Posted by: illiniwek at October 15, 2026 11:51 AM (vbXSk)

143 A nice moose could keep a family fed for a few months in the winter.

Only problem:
40,000,000 Canadians
100,000 - 500,000 Moose in Canada

And I'm sure the Indians would get there first.
----

I'm sure you meant "Guardians".

Posted by: Crusader at October 15, 2026 11:51 AM (TN0g+)

144 Assuming you can get them out of their casinos and they're not drunk...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:50 AM (l3cgK)

Do the "First Nations" have casinos up there?

I thought their Indians just held the government hostage with Wokism for their money.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:52 AM (6ydKt)

145 no one will read what i write

Posted by: Paul at October 15, 2026 11:52 AM (YJn0R)

146 96 Many homes in PA have a room in the basement that was once coal storage, with a chute.

it's always amazing bc they have these in the city! I've seen city row homes with coal chutes still

Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at October 15, 2026 11:52 AM (j+aD2)

147 until he's overthrown by he who has the greater army.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:51 AM (l3cgK)

Gold can buy a pretty big army though.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:52 AM (6ydKt)

148 For all the -isms thrown around, it always seems to boil down to feudalism.

Because Feudalism is a very good system if you are a noble.

So if you allow your elected elites to change your system to feudalism with no consequences why wouldn't they?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 15, 2026 11:52 AM (sKqQm)

149 127 I remember W talking about using switch grass as an alternative energy fuel source. Weird. W was an odd little man, like Carter was said to be.
Posted by: tubal

Lots of plants, etc. can be made to produce energy--the trick is to do it cost competitively without subsidies or government mandates. Otherwise you just get a neverending subsidy or you get more expensive/worse fuel (see the ethanol oxygenated fuel mandate).

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:53 AM (E4rtv)

150 144 Assuming you can get them out of their casinos and they're not drunk...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:50 AM (l3cgK)

Do the "First Nations" have casinos up there?

I thought their Indians just held the government hostage with Wokism for their money.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:52 AM (6ydKt)

AI sez: "Yes, there are 17 First Nation casinos in Canada, located primarily in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Manitoba, and British Columbia. These casinos provide economic opportunities and jobs for the host communities."

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:53 AM (l3cgK)

151 feed the furnace. Otherwise, it was "kid, here's the shovel, there's the coal".
Posted by: bill in arkansas

Chores are what teach children that life isn't a free ride. Today's brats freak out when held accountable for anything. Forty year olds that call Mom when the mean cop stops them for speeding.

Posted by: Go Muck Out The Barn! at October 15, 2026 11:53 AM (EdP2u)

152 136 130 Step two. Shoot a moose.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at

A nice moose could keep a family fed for a few months in the winter.

Only problem:
40,000,000 Canadians
100,000 - 500,000 Moose in Canada

And I'm sure the Indians would get there first.

Posted by: SpeakingOf
Assuming you can get them out of their casinos and they're not drunk...
Posted by: jim

Canadian LIBs too st00p1d to realize that Katy Perry is pulling Trudeau's chain which will lead to industry and environmental collapse in 6 years, decade at the outset.

KP! Mission Accomplished.

LET'S GO BRANDON.
HOLD THAT TIGER. HOLD THAT TIGER>

Posted by: MANFRED the Heat Seeking OBOE at October 15, 2026 11:53 AM (EMFSn)

153 The Wild West seemed pretty big on public executions. Were those just harder times, or did they have the "public justice" concept correct?

Because public executions reduced crime and the leaders of that era weren't touchy feely feminists.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 15, 2026 11:53 AM (sKqQm)

154 148 For all the -isms thrown around, it always seems to boil down to feudalism.

Because Feudalism is a very good system if you are a noble.

So if you allow your elected elites to change your system to feudalism with no consequences why wouldn't they?
Posted by: 18-1 at October 15, 2026 11:52 AM (sKqQm)

Ah, feudalism. The old “ bathe her, bring her to me, then come get her and throw her out of the castle” system.

Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2026 11:54 AM (Gqar8)

155 145 dont quote the troll
Posted by: Paul at October 15, 2026 11:52 AM (YJn0R)

Why Edison lost the electricity war: transmission losses.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:54 AM (l3cgK)

156 96 Many homes in PA have a room in the basement that was once coal storage, with a chute.
Posted by: Pittsburgh Potty at October 15, 2026 11:37 AM (EdP2u)

James Talarico has a room in his home where he'll show you a coal chute.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 15, 2026 11:54 AM (hG7ox)

157 my house is old old

we have three options for heating, which helps lol

one is this amazing wood stove that connects up thru fireplaces on two floors above. that thing ROCKS

almost time to get a cord of wood but I mean if I want I have wood all around. no worries about power outages or cost of filling our propane tank if need be (I mean if we can't fill it for some reason, we are still ok)

I can't imagine living around here with the FREQUENT power outages (thanks PECO!) in the winter with all-electric heat! yikes. and your pipes! I guess you have to get a gas-powered generator

Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at October 15, 2026 11:54 AM (j+aD2)

158 Because public executions reduced crime and the leaders of that era weren't touchy feely feminists.
-----

I'd like executions to be public so I'd have more confidence that they actually took place.

Posted by: Crusader at October 15, 2026 11:55 AM (TN0g+)

159 One of the oddest things I've seen in recent years is Biden blowing up Germany's pipeline from Russia
____

Last night it came out that the Ukrainian Twerk did it.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 15, 2026 11:55 AM (35ICP)

160 148 For all the -isms thrown around, it always seems to boil down to feudalism.

Because Feudalism is a very good system if you are a noble.

So if you allow your elected elites to change your system to feudalism with no consequences why wouldn't they?
Posted by: 18-1

All of them are relatively stupid if they try to go that route because the original feudal lords were actually warleaders. Pencil necked weasels thinking they can run the world from compounds in New Zealand will end up being offed by their own security in pear shaped situations.

Those dweebs dreaming of the peasants owning nothing are forgetting that the old feudal lords were tough old sobs that had to directly be involved in force decisions, not sit back and give orders like a pampered CEO.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:55 AM (E4rtv)

161 142 The Wild West seemed pretty big on public executions. Were those just harder times, or did they have the "public justice" concept correct?

idk ... we could also bring back putting the rapists and cartel members in stocks, so people could throw rotten vegetables at them (before incarcerating them)?

Posted by: illiniwek at October 15, 2026 11:51 AM (vbXSk)

Public executions have been a European thing since the Greeks & Romans at least. The French used it as their main form of entertainment for awhile in the late 1700s.

The Wild West was just continuing the tradition.

Then WWII happened and somehow the death penalty became a no-no in most parts of the world afterwards.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:56 AM (6ydKt)

162 Why Edison lost the electricity war: transmission losses.
----

Cause he was Lord of the Lightning,
Though "socially frightening",
But never out to sell.

Posted by: Crusader at October 15, 2026 11:56 AM (TN0g+)

163 New England is starved for natural gas. New pipeline development has been blocked by environmentalists and NY State. And you can't get up to New England without crossing NYS.

LNG is shipped into Boston coming in from Trinidad and Tobago, and other foreign sources - and yes sometimes Russian.

Why, you ask, must we import LNG when the USA is a net producer? Thank the Jones Act for preventing LNG tankers from picking up in USA based LNG terminals and offloading in Boston.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 15, 2026 11:57 AM (N39Ws)

164 151 feed the furnace. Otherwise, it was "kid, here's the shovel, there's the coal".
Posted by: bill in arkansas

Chores are what teach children that life isn't a free ride. Today's brats freak out when held accountable for anything. Forty year olds that call Mom when the mean cop stops them for speeding.

Posted by: Go Muck Out The Barn! at October 15, 2026 11:53 AM (EdP2u)

When I was 7, Dad put a shovel in my hand and told me to follow the tractor and kill any weeds the tractor missed. Had plenty of chores; the youngest cleaned the dog pens (dog poop cleaning was for the youngest). Older ones had other chores (feeding chickens, milking, etc). Did electrical/plumbing work as I got older, even cleaning septic clogs and septic tanks.
My pay? I was fed and had a place to sleep.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:57 AM (l3cgK)

165 That NG won't last forever.
We have enough coal in the ground to provide the country with energy, if needed, for centuries.

I'm als not against expanding nuclear.

I would like more, and varied, forms of energy sources and production (including wind & solar where appropriate) to lower overall costs for everybody and have backups in case of failure somewhere.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:27 AM (6ydKt)
==
Natural gas is not disappearing, unless you look at the peak oil advocates who along with the flat-earthers have continued to be wrong about just about anything energy related forever.

As for China - it is an environmental hell whole, and burning coal- without the expensive cleaning technology - is helping it be that way

Posted by: Black JEM at October 15, 2026 11:57 AM (7/DDO)

166 Last night it came out that the Ukrainian Twerk did it.

I've always thought a Uke national pushed the button, yes, but that it required actual American resources to pull it off.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 15, 2026 11:57 AM (sKqQm)

167 Then WWII happened and somehow the death penalty became a no-no in most parts of the world afterwards.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:56 AM (6ydKt)

Used to be a community event in New England in the 17th and 18th centuries.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 15, 2026 11:57 AM (N39Ws)

168 I'll add that decades of anti-coal activism has painted coal as a shitkicking redneck methhead thing. Coal miners, etc.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 15, 2026 11:58 AM (iFTx/)

169 AI sez: "Yes, there are 17 First Nation casinos in Canada, located primarily in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Manitoba, and British Columbia. These casinos provide economic opportunities and jobs for the host communities."

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 11:53 AM (l3cgK)

Learn something new everyday.

Now the dot-Indians will have to open casinos to compete with them on taking whitey's money.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:58 AM (6ydKt)

170 167 Then WWII happened and somehow the death penalty became a no-no in most parts of the world afterwards.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 11:56 AM (6ydKt)

Used to be a community event in New England in the 17th and 18th centuries.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 15, 2026 11:57 AM (N39Ws)

The birth of Funnel Cakes and Kettle Corn.

Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2026 11:58 AM (Gqar8)

171 The intent is to only allow the elites to have access to energy and to force the peons to return to pre-industrial levels of energy usage and thereby wealth.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 15, 2026 11:48 AM (sKqQm)

The subtext being, of course, they don’t care if we all die, go back to the life expectancies of 1900 - 42 years.
Posted by: tubal

And before the peasants allow that, Dr. Guillotine will be making house calls.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2026 11:58 AM (oqpkA)

172 Gladiatormovies been a European thing since the Greeks & Romans at least.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at October 15, 2026 11:59 AM (KZB5F)

173 BTW the leftist governor of MA is now campaigning on trying to get Trump to expedite building new pipelines into MA.

Last election she ran on the fact she stopped new pipelines

While she'll win, I expect it will be close because there is no blue wave and people are tired of Democrats. I mean, MA still has enough idiots to re-elect her and then wonder why gas/oil/nat gas costs did not go down in the state...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 15, 2026 11:59 AM (sKqQm)

174 I realize we are talking coal, but Canada has a death wish if they think they are going to win a trade war with the US. They are starting to lose bigly and it will just get worse.
Posted by: Black JEM at October 15, 2026 11:26 AM (7/DDO)

The stupidity runs strong.

I came back to catch up on the thread before work.

All of us here would make Captain Planet cry.

Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy - 106 years old! Puppy at heart! at October 15, 2026 11:59 AM (Sco7b)

175 You can burn coal - even high-sulfur coal - cleanly. Back in the early 1990s I worked at a government research lab working on clean coal combustion and they had a number of furnace designs that worked just fine. Bench scale, and maybe not all of them would scale up; that's always a risk. But the technology exists, it just needs adoption.

Posted by: Daniel Ream at October 15, 2026 11:59 AM (LgYtf)

176 154 148 For all the -isms thrown around, it always seems to boil down to feudalism.
Because Feudalism is a very good system if you are a noble.

So if you allow your elected elites to change your system to feudalism with no consequences why wouldn't they?
Posted by: 18-1 at October 15, 2026 11:52 AM (sKqQm)

Ah, feudalism. The old “ bathe her, bring her to me, then come get her and throw her out of the castle” system.
Posted by: tubal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR-bfJPsL7w
Why Stupid (LIB) People Exist? - Arthur Schopenhauer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMhwddNQSWQ
DARE TO BE STUPID -- Weird Al.

Just Shut up and Dance to the tunes the Brennan Undead Spin for you! It's GoOd fOr U!

https://tinyurl.com/forWARd-irlTheBRENNANcameo
“the people in charge are lying to the public and telling them not to believe what we’ve seen with our own eyes.” -- Clinton 01/26/26

LET'S GO BRANDON.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_9hX43pTpE
METAL TRUMP

Posted by: MANFRED the Heat Seeking OBOE at October 15, 2026 11:59 AM (EMFSn)

177 These casinos provide economic opportunities and jobs for the host communities"

Misspelled "take money from stupid people"

Posted by: man at October 15, 2026 11:59 AM (pfXMo)

178 Public executions. Fort Smith has a replica of the gallows used in Judge Isaac Parker's time. It is quite similar to the gallows seen in True Grit #2, and fully functional. Fun fact. Judge Parker was known as the Hanging Judge, and had quite a few swing in the wind, but he also commuted more than hanged.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 15, 2026 11:59 AM (gm9Sb)

179 no one will read what i write

Posted by: Paul at October 15, 2026 12:00 PM (XUPSG)

180 While she'll win, I expect it will be close because there is no blue wave and people are tired of Democrats. I mean, MA still has enough idiots to re-elect her and then wonder why gas/oil/nat gas costs did not go down in the state...
Posted by: 18-1 at October 15, 2026 11:59 AM (sKqQm)

MA having enough idiots to re-elect her.....
See Lindsay Clancy jury for real life idiot examples.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 15, 2026 12:00 PM (N39Ws)

181 no one will read what i write

Posted by: Paul at October 15, 2026 12:00 PM (XUPSG)

182 177 These casinos provide economic opportunities and jobs for the host communities"

Misspelled "take money from stupid people"

Posted by: man at October 15, 2026 11:59 AM (pfXMo)

Same difference.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 12:00 PM (l3cgK)

183 Gladiatormovies been a European thing since the Greeks & Romans at least."

Beats being in a Turkish prison...

Posted by: man at October 15, 2026 12:01 PM (pfXMo)

184 Just for the record, the primary source of fuel for heat and power on the planet is still burning wood. And Germany, that modern industrial power, shut down its nukes and stopped buying natural gas, and is cutting down the Black Forest to burn it, just like the tribesmen do.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 15, 2026 12:01 PM (t2aZo)

185 183 Gladiatormovies been a European thing since the Greeks & Romans at least."

Beats being in a Turkish prison...

Posted by: man at October 15, 2026 12:01 PM (pfXMo)

Agreed.

Posted by: Lawrence of Arabia at October 15, 2026 12:01 PM (l3cgK)

186 185 183 Gladiatormovies been a European thing since the Greeks & Romans at least."

Beats being in a Turkish prison...

Posted by: man at October 15, 2026 12:01 PM (pfXMo)

Agreed.
Posted by: Lawrence of Arabia at October 15, 2026 12:01 PM (l3cgK)

Midnight Express.

Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2026 12:02 PM (Gqar8)

187 184 Just for the record, the primary source of fuel for heat and power on the planet is still burning wood. And Germany, that modern industrial power, shut down its nukes and stopped buying natural gas, and is cutting down the Black Forest to burn it, just like the tribesmen do.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 15, 2026 12:01 PM (t2aZo)

AI sez: "Approximately 30% of rural households in India rely on cow dung as a primary cooking fuel. This practice is common due to the availability of cow dung in rural areas, where it serves as an important energy source."

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 12:03 PM (l3cgK)

188 184 Just for the record, the primary source of fuel for heat and power on the planet is still burning wood. And Germany, that modern industrial power, shut down its nukes and stopped buying natural gas, and is cutting down the Black Forest to burn it, just like the tribesmen do.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 15, 2026 12:01 PM (t2aZo)

At least they're getting something out of burning their forests down.

California and Canada just let 'em burn for no good reason other than smoke signals.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 12:03 PM (6ydKt)

189 just like the tribesmen do."

Ever go thru a sub Sahara village? They aren't burning wood...

Posted by: man at October 15, 2026 12:03 PM (pfXMo)

190 187 184 Just for the record, the primary source of fuel for heat and power on the planet is still burning wood. And Germany, that modern industrial power, shut down its nukes and stopped buying natural gas, and is cutting down the Black Forest to burn it, just like the tribesmen do.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 15, 2026 12:01 PM (t2aZo)

AI sez: "Approximately 30% of rural households in India rely on cow dung as a primary cooking fuel. This practice is common due to the availability of cow dung in rural areas, where it serves as an important energy source."
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 12:03 PM (l3cgK)

Gives the Naan that special flavor.

Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2026 12:03 PM (Gqar8)

191 174 I realize we are talking coal, but Canada has a death wish if they think they are going to win a trade war with the US. They are starting to lose bigly and it will just get worse.
Posted by: Black JEM at October 15, 2026 11:26 AM (7/DDO)

The stupidity runs strong.

I came back to catch up on the thread before work.

All of us here would make Captain Planet cry.
Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy - 106 years old! Puppy at heart!

TRUTH: Don Cheadle is Captain Planet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12nWd_kH31A
[CONTENT WARNING: LIB Triggering]

Posted by: MANFRED the Heat Seeking OBOE at October 15, 2026 12:03 PM (EMFSn)

192 Those dweebs dreaming of the peasants owning nothing are forgetting that the old feudal lords were tough old sobs that had to directly be involved in force decisions, not sit back and give orders like a pampered CEO.
Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:55 AM (E4rtv)

I think it would be kind of cool to live in a castle fortress though. You know, with modern AC/heat and appliances.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 15, 2026 12:04 PM (g8Ew8)

193 The life expectancy in Nigeria is 54, lowest on the planet, yet it will be the most populous nation on Earth in 2100, should the world still be here.

Posted by: Spoiler: It Won't at October 15, 2026 12:04 PM (EdP2u)

194 190 187 184 Just for the record, the primary source of fuel for heat and power on the planet is still burning wood. And Germany, that modern industrial power, shut down its nukes and stopped buying natural gas, and is cutting down the Black Forest to burn it, just like the tribesmen do.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 15, 2026 12:01 PM (t2aZo)

AI sez: "Approximately 30% of rural households in India rely on cow dung as a primary cooking fuel. This practice is common due to the availability of cow dung in rural areas, where it serves as an important energy source."
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 12:03 PM (l3cgK)

Gives the Naan that special flavor.

Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2026 12:03 PM (Gqar

"This food tastes like shit!"
"Yes, we know."

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 15, 2026 12:04 PM (l3cgK)

195 Clancy juror is on FoxNews now for those interested.

And Bill Clinton is being dragged out of near death to campaign in Florida.

Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy 106 years old - puppy at heart at October 15, 2026 12:05 PM (Sco7b)

196 cow dung as a primary cooking fuel."

Smells tasty, too...

/do I need a sarc tag?

Posted by: man at October 15, 2026 12:05 PM (pfXMo)

197 yet it will be the most populous nation on Earth in 2100"

Nah. Tribal affairs will take care of that. Rwanda, anyone?

Posted by: man at October 15, 2026 12:06 PM (pfXMo)

198 Indian cooking shows on public TV have to be a little weird. Curry, buttermilk, and dung.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 15, 2026 12:06 PM (gm9Sb)

199 193 The life expectancy in Nigeria is 54, lowest on the planet, yet it will be the most populous nation on Earth in 2100, should the world still be here.

Posted by: Spoiler: It Won't at October 15, 2026 12:04 PM (EdP2u)

If a country like Nigeria gets close to being as populated as India or China is now it won't make it for long due to disease, famines and civil wars.

I'd imagine the Nigerians could slice their population in half over a few years if they set their minds to it.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 12:07 PM (6ydKt)

200 The blue wave is so huge that democrats are pulling politicians out of nursing homes to stump.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 15, 2026 12:07 PM (t2aZo)

201 And Bill Clinton is being dragged out of near death to campaign in Florida.
Posted by: Stateless

Doesn't sound like a blue wave.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2026 12:07 PM (oqpkA)

202 Indian cooking shows on public TV have to be a little weird. Curry, buttermilk, and dung.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

And that is just a dessert recipe.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 15, 2026 12:08 PM (t2aZo)

203 199 193 The life expectancy in Nigeria is 54, lowest on the planet, yet it will be the most populous nation on Earth in 2100, should the world still be here.

Posted by: Spoiler: It Won't at October 15, 2026 12:04 PM (EdP2u)

If a country like Nigeria gets close to being as populated as India or China is now it won't make it for long due to disease, famines and civil wars.

I'd imagine the Nigerians could slice their population in half over a few years if they set their minds to it.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 12:07 PM (6ydKt)

I know how to keep the masses fed.

Posted by: Idi Amin at October 15, 2026 12:08 PM (l3cgK)

204 Those dweebs dreaming of the peasants owning nothing are forgetting that the old feudal lords were tough old sobs that had to directly be involved in force decisions, not sit back and give orders like a pampered CEO.
Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:55 AM (E4rtv)

I think it would be kind of cool to live in a castle fortress though. You know, with modern AC/heat and appliances.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 15, 2026 12:04 PM (g8Ew

________________

Neuschwanstein. It was never finished, but it was highly advanced for its day. Running warm water, central heating system, battery-powered lines, toilets that flushed, etc.

AC hadn't been invented yet (at least not in any modern sense), and wasn't much of an issue in the Bavarian alps anyway.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 15, 2026 12:08 PM (iFTx/)

205 202 Indian cooking shows on public TV have to be a little weird. Curry, buttermilk, and dung.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

And that is just a dessert recipe.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 15, 2026 12:08 PM (t2aZo)

Tandoori rat.

Posted by: tubal at October 15, 2026 12:08 PM (Gqar8)

206 198 Indian cooking shows on public TV have to be a little weird. Curry, buttermilk, and dung.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 15, 2026 12:06 PM (gm9Sb)

It does explain why it's all so spicy you can't taste anything but the heat.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at October 15, 2026 12:09 PM (6ydKt)

207 we baled out of Houston almost 8 years ago and bought a smaller house an hour away...the house had no gas

Centerpoint came to the rescue and brought a gas line all the way down the block (650'), under a street, under the driveway and set the meter on the back of the house.

When I asked how much it would cost they replied "No charge, when the neighbors see you have gas they'll want it too".

Posted by: DanMan at October 15, 2026 12:09 PM (8uzBS)

208 197 yet it will be the most populous nation on Earth in 2100"

Nah. Tribal affairs will take care of that. Rwanda, anyone?
_-_
famine

Posted by: Don in SoCo at October 15, 2026 12:09 PM (bulwI)

209 I can't imagine living around here with the FREQUENT power outages (thanks PECO!) in the winter with all-electric heat! yikes. and your pipes! I guess you have to get a gas-powered generator
Posted by: Black Orchid (j+aD2) at October 15, 2026 11:54 AM (j+aD2)
___

Due to the terrain and remoteness of my AO, power outages are also a thing.

The Co-op is great when it comes to responding to outages, but it may take a while.

We have an outdoor wood furnace, a wood stove, and a dual fuel genny.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at October 15, 2026 12:10 PM (HHrXL)

210 I saw a video from a woman playfully calling herself a conspiracy theorist and showing every 2 years there is some sort of sex scandal the FNM goes nuts for 90 days before the federal elections and today I see the Babylon Bee picked up her video.

Interesting to see I'm in the same algorithm/space as them

Posted by: 18-1 at October 15, 2026 12:10 PM (sKqQm)

211 > And Bill Clinton is being dragged out of near death to campaign in Florida.
Posted by: Stateless

Doesn't sound like a blue wave.
Posted by: rickb223
-----------
Not even BlueChew can fix it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 15, 2026 12:10 PM (RORbl)

212 Talarico raised $64 million in 3rd quarter.
Paxton $18 million.

CNN circle jerk - Texas blue wave.
Ahhh sweet, sweet hopium.

Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy 106 years old - puppy at heart at October 15, 2026 12:10 PM (Sco7b)

213 Death Pool: Who dies first: Biden, Slick Willy, or Hillary?

Posted by: Triple Header Would Suit Me Fine at October 15, 2026 12:10 PM (EdP2u)

214 hobo ass is the best tasting ass

Posted by: Sid at October 15, 2026 12:10 PM (hWLzs)

215 Nood.

Posted by: Nazdar at October 15, 2026 12:10 PM (NcvvS)

216 I cannot imagine having electric heat for a house. It isn't that good for heat and must cost a fortune.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 15, 2026 12:10 PM (t2aZo)

217 Nood
Banks

Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy 106 years old - puppy at heart at October 15, 2026 12:11 PM (Sco7b)

218 205 "And, Suh, please to remember when offering this delicious dish to your guests it does not exempt them from the traditional key deposit".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 15, 2026 12:11 PM (gm9Sb)

219 Wait a minute I haven't raped anyone in like 10 years so keep me out of this

Posted by: Bill CLinton at October 15, 2026 12:11 PM (sKqQm)

220 I think it would be kind of cool to live in a castle fortress though. You know, with modern AC/heat and appliances.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons

Target for other looters and raiders. Pretty easy to make low grade explosives to take down pretty massive concrete structures. Go underground and you have to worry about vent shafts and egress protection and so on.

All solvable if you have a bunch of soldiers to protect you but in a society free fall, those soldiers have every reason to just get rid of the dweeb issuing orders and take his shit. Being rich does not equate to being respected by 'troops' nor does lead from behind.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 12:11 PM (E4rtv)

221 Renewable energy exceeds coal generated electricity

Posted by: Paul at October 15, 2026 12:11 PM (6LzyB)

222 Worldwide coal use is not down at all. The highest year of coal production was like 2 years ago. It’s just down in countries where white ppl and communists live. The rest of the world has more than taken up the slack.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 15, 2026 12:11 PM (yt3LH)

223 195 Clancy juror is on FoxNews now for those interested.

And Bill Clinton is being dragged out of near death to campaign in Florida.
Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy 106 years old - puppy at heart

He hangs on with the hope that people forget the nature of his crimes and be disuaded against dedicating the Eternal Urinal upon the grave of the man who at the Pinnacle of our Civilization -- STOOD THERE TO PISS IT ALL AWAY.

Had Bill Clinton done in Mogadishu in '92 what Ethopia accomplished in a week a decade later there factually would have been no OBL, no 9/11, no EndlessWAR!

Had Bill Clinton have even the smallest shred of integrity he wouldn't have told the BlackHawk down families it was their own fault that they were dead when in fact it was Les Aspin who denited them the armor support they requested.

Had Bill Clinton been capable of tearing his eyes away for one moment from the superbowl to give the go code for OBL to be taken out when they had the opportunity ... ibid.

The world is the way it is NOT because we did not heed the LIB Strategic Insanity -- it is the way it is precisely because we did.

LET'S GO BRANDON. HOLD THAT TIGER.
DEFEAT LIB STRATEGIC INSANITY FOREVER.

Posted by: MANFRED the Heat Seeking OBOE at October 15, 2026 12:12 PM (EMFSn)

224 no one will read what i write

Posted by: Paul at October 15, 2026 12:12 PM (6LzyB)

225 Those dweebs dreaming of the peasants owning nothing are forgetting that the old feudal lords were tough old sobs that had to directly be involved in force decisions, not sit back and give orders like a pampered CEO.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 11:55 AM (E4rtv)
==
I have often wondered how they think they will hold on once the money system collapses and the world runs on hard resource acquisition and the ability to hold on to it. No offense but the tech titans will get taken out within the first few months by the biggest and baddest of their security teams, who will build their own "governing system" and who will distribute the spoils - the women - as appropriate. Misogynistic complaining will get you a beating. Continued complaining will get you thrown out of the compound where you will die of exposure and get eaten by a wolf.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 15, 2026 12:15 PM (7/DDO)

226 Neuschwanstein. It was never finished, but it was highly advanced for its day. Running warm water, central heating system, battery-powered lines, toilets that flushed, etc.

AC hadn't been invented yet (at least not in any modern sense), and wasn't much of an issue in the Bavarian alps anyway.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Ludwig bankrupted himself building that and died before he could get much use of it.

People have romantic dreams of castles but in reality, most of them got abandoned as primary living quarters when no longer defensible due to artillery and societal change.

For most of us, if shit goes pear shaped, having a working self sustaining community with good neighbors is far more important than a frigging castle.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 12:17 PM (E4rtv)

227 I have often wondered how they think they will hold on once the money system collapses and the world runs on hard resource acquisition and the ability to hold on to it. No offense but the tech titans will get taken out within the first few months by the biggest and baddest of their security teams, who will build their own "governing system" and who will distribute the spoils - the women - as appropriate. Misogynistic complaining will get you a beating. Continued complaining will get you thrown out of the compound where you will die of exposure and get eaten by a wolf.
Posted by: Black JEM

I agree pretty much. Feudal lords got to be the top dog because they earned it originally and the whole system required heirs to go through complex military training and leading troops into battles to keep it. It was not until much much later that these feudal lines became decadent in softer ages than the founders had.

Posted by: whig at October 15, 2026 12:19 PM (E4rtv)

228 226 Neuschwanstein. It was never finished, but it was highly advanced for its day. Running warm water, central heating system, battery-powered lines, toilets that flushed, etc.

AC hadn't been invented yet (at least not in any modern sense), and wasn't much of an issue in the Bavarian alps anyway.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Ludwig bankrupted himself building that and died before he could get much use of it.

People have romantic dreams of castles but in reality, most of them got abandoned as primary living quarters when no longer defensible due to artillery and societal change.

For most of us, if shit goes pear shaped, having a working self sustaining community with good neighbors is far more important than a frigging castle.
Posted by: whig

How true, and the cTHIEL farcical dream of Galt Gulch will be the first to be wiped out by the TinaTurner/Thunderdome-MadMax/Lord Humungous who will obviously thank them for their dutiful service.

Posted by: MANFRED the Heat Seeking OBOE at October 15, 2026 12:19 PM (EMFSn)

229 Neuschwanstein. It was never finished, but it was highly advanced for its day. Running warm water, central heating system, battery-powered lines, toilets that flushed, etc.
Posted by: Elric The Blade

How long could they hold out in a siege?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 15, 2026 12:20 PM (nEUC6)

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