Wednesday Morning Rant

Disentanglement

At the personal scale, the destruction of a relationship is emotionally disturbing and painful. Whether it is some formal means of destruction like a divorce or something informal like just gradually or suddenly severing contact, the relationship is wrecked and there are bound to be hard feelings on both sides. Both sides will feel wronged, and neither side is likely to accept responsibility for whatever caused the failure. That's not fun for anyone involved, but it is rare that there is a big blast radius when an interpersonal relationship is destroyed.

That is not true when the scale increases and the relationship at risk is not inter-personal but inter-national. That failure of relationships between nation-states are usually complex phenomena and require careful management to avoid courting real harm as the relationship unwinds or - even worse - shifts into actual policy-backed animosity. The worst kind of adjustment is from "friendly" to "unfriendly," skipping the much more manageable condition of "neutral but sometimes cooperative." The conversion into unfriendliness or even hostility is particularly bad when the countries involved are geographical neighbors, and so managing the end of the prior era is even more important. That is the point we are now reaching with the country that has long been one of our most important allies: our neighbor to the north.

Canada is doing everything in its power to pivot the relationship with the United States from historical friendliness to active hostility (though Canada would surely swap the country names in that sentence). This is somewhat tragic given the long, rich history of US-Canadian cooperation, essential cultural compatibility and our mutual - if lopsided - economic dependence. Carney has doubled down on everything Trudeau was doing that the US considered untenable to maintaining the status quo. Earlier this year, Canada doubled down on alignment with the CCP, essentially ending any chance at the USMCA surviving - even with changes. As I put it at the time:

Unless something changes, the intermediate-term effects of this breakdown will go well beyond mere trading economics. For generations, Canada and the United States have been vitally important partners to each other. We have been two distinct countries with compatible cultures, economic integration, deep diplomatic ties, stalwart military alliance and general friendliness at the micro and the macro. That is fracturing in real time as Ottawa pursues ever-tighter coupling with Beijing. The obvious distaste Canada's ruling class has for the United States in general and Donald Trump in particular is secondary, but serves to add yet more strain to an already strained relationship.
This strain has likely ended the USMCA. Whether it is also the beginning of the end for generally good US/Canada relations remains to be seen.

It happened much faster than I expected, but it is the end of generally good US-Canada relations. Last week, Carney and the EU announced that they are working toward bringing Canada into the EU - sort of. Canada, not being European, cannot join the EU according to the EU's own rules. Not to worry, though - the EU is the floating the idea of creating an entirely new kind of EU membership just for Canada. They're calling it "associate membership:"

Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has welcomed the European Union's ambition for Canada to become its first "associate member", calling for closer cooperation on defence, critical minerals and energy security.
Carney told the European Parliament in Strasbourg on Thursday that Canada and Europe were "stronger together" in the face of "geopolitical rupture".
His comments came a day after European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen proposed "opening the door" to Canada's associate membership, a status that does not currently exist.

This is about one thing: the pissing match between Red China and the EU and the US. Setting aside the laughable quotes like He said a Canada-EU alliance would create a "beacon for other democracies", while stressing the two sides were not seeking to form a new power bloc and "This is about sovereignty, our ability to live as we wish. We do not seek power to dominate others,", attempting to move Canada into the European empire - and the empire's enthusiasm for it - is a clear signal that our status quo ante is now over. Carney is CCP-first and Europe-second, and has helped transform Canada into an adversary.

If we accept that the recent historical norm of close US-Canada alignment is now over - and perhaps we shouldn't, though it looks that way to me - the question for the United States becomes how to deal with it and, by extension, how to deal with the EU. It's a tricky problem because it must balance the mutual pain we can deliver to each other while still marginalizing the other player. There is a lot of trade with Canada and much of it is important. We can live without it, but that would suck and be incredibly disruptive if it happens all at once. Canada is betting that it can replace the US in trade if it disregards its sovereignty and culture and allows itself to be spit-roasted by Beijing and Brussels. Time will tell whether that is true, but the damage will be done regardless.

The funny part of this is that most of the United States' actions to date have been around maintaining the status quo with Canada while implementing new policies more broadly. We want a couple of things from Canada, but most of our focus has been further abroad, mostly focused on Red China, Latin America and the EU. By working to help Red China circumvent US trade policy and by aligning with the both Red China and the EU in direct opposition to the United States' goals in those places, Canada has decided to change its status from "neighbor with generally good but sometimes strained relations" to "adversary."

Much as it pains me to say it - because, for what it's worth, I generally like Canadians and Canada itself - the US must seize the initiative. With Canada now an adversary, the US should preemptively and unilaterally start implementing policies that reflect the new reality. The US must take action to adjust to the new normal and control the terms of disengagement with Canada wherever possible. This US could consider, in no particular order:
- Secure the northern border. An enormous unsecured border with an ally is one thing, but it must not be permitted with an adversary. Border walls, fewer and more-secure border crossings, permanent increase in Coast Guard presence on the Great Lakes, full inspections of all commercial road and rail traffic, etc. all should be implemented.
- Withdraw from the USMCA and immediately replace it with a new deal - or, preferably, a series of bilateral deals - with Mexico and other Latin American countries.
- Forbid any product manufactured outside of Canada, or manufactured in Canada by foreign companies that are not based in the United States, from entering the United States from Canada. Any company found to be mislabeling goods is banned from any export to the United States, in perpetuity.
- If the EU and Canada work out an arrangement to bring Canada into the EU, withdraw from NATO. It is insane to be the military power guaranteeing the security of what is the new Warsaw Pact.
- Require visas from travel from Canada. Many Canadians actually like the United States and it would be stupid to forbid them to come here, but add friction and make it clear that this is a response to Canadian policy changes, not an attack on friendly Canadians.
- Sever cooperation between the Federal Reserve and the Bank of Canada on policy coordination and information exchange.
- Buy as much Canadian energy as possible. The energy-producing provinces are much friendly to the United States than the political power provinces are, and every drop of Canadian oil that flows here is not flowing to Red China or the EU - and it would build goodwill with potential change-agents in Canada.

Are any of those good ideas? I don't know. Most of them probably aren't. Given that Canada has now made its adversarial status crystal clear, however, the US should act first and seize the initiative. It sucks. It would be better for everyone in both countries if Canada's government wasn't doing everything in its power to subvert US policy goals and destroy our once-strong relationship while simultaneously exposing Canadians to tremendous economic pain, but it is. Canada no longer wants to be under the US umbrella, and the US cannot afford tight integration with an adversary - so it is time to begin disentanglement

Posted by: Joe Mannix at 10:53 AM

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1 Yep

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 23, 2026 10:53 AM (d7mRD)

2 Disentanglement

this is about quantum computing, isn't it?

Posted by: anachronda at September 23, 2026 10:55 AM (v3pYe)

3 WOW, early monkey!

Posted by: Formerly Virginian [/q] at September 23, 2026 10:56 AM (N1DT3)

4 I nood'd

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 23, 2026 10:56 AM (d7mRD)

5 - Withdraw from the USMCA and immediately replace it with a new deal - or, preferably, a series of bilateral deals - with Mexico and other Latin American countries.

Counterpoint: Sheinbaum is just as performatively antiAmerican as Carney.

Posted by: Yyrog the Sorceror at September 23, 2026 10:56 AM (yYROg)

6 Canada has relied on the US to support their socialism.

They are VERY angry that their free ride is getting reduced. (We STILL will be funding most of their defense.)

They are making it very clear that they are incapable of governing themselves. We should take Alberta and the entire west side of Canada as territories (some is already named that!) and just cut off all the rest.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian [/q] at September 23, 2026 10:58 AM (N1DT3)

7 Blow, Canada.

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 23, 2026 11:02 AM (TezPK)

8 Snow Mexicans most effected.

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 23, 2026 11:03 AM (TezPK)

9 Canada, along with Iran, China, the EU and in coordination with the Democratic Party is focused on the midterm elections. Combined, they believe that gaining control of Congress will slow and eventually halt the progression of a government that serves the people, not global interests destructive to our democratic republic.

And they may just get their wish.

If people don’t show up in November, it will be the future.

Posted by: That Guy at September 23, 2026 11:03 AM (JpKcK)

10 Good thing I'm stocked up on maple syrup.

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 23, 2026 11:04 AM (TezPK)

11 That does it. I'm implementing a full boycott of all Hallmark movies. Mrs D is annoyed but she'll get over it.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 23, 2026 11:04 AM (2WIwB)

12 Wish John Candy was still around. He could invade his homeland again.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at September 23, 2026 11:04 AM (4Kzcm)

13 The energy-producing provinces are much friendly to the United States than the political power provinces are

Yep - pursue policies that benefit Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba, while punishing the rest of Canada.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2026 11:05 AM (aD4fx)

14 Canada = Mounties
China = Mounters

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 23, 2026 11:05 AM (TezPK)

15 So like today, ehh, we're gonna discuss uh dis... Disent... Disentanglement. Ehh

You don't even know what that means. Hoser.

I do too. ehh. It means... It means get me a beer. Ehh.

Posted by: Bob and Doug at September 23, 2026 11:05 AM (F9nWj)

16 The simplest answer would be to lay Canada under tribute.

Posted by: toby928(c) at September 23, 2026 11:06 AM (4NO2D)

17 Sgt. Preston weeps.

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 23, 2026 11:07 AM (TezPK)

18 I read the whole thing. Under AOS guidelines, that means I should not comment.
“Should” and “guidelines” being the operative words here.

Posted by: RI Red at September 23, 2026 11:07 AM (GOpmI)

19 Good thing I'm stocked up on maple syrup.
Posted by: Joe Mama at September 23, 2026 11:04 AM

Buy American!

Posted by: Vermont at September 23, 2026 11:07 AM (4NO2D)

20 Worth noting that Canada's descent predates Trump.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2026 11:07 AM (2UnvF)

21 Fucking frostbacks.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 23, 2026 11:08 AM (d7mRD)

22 The Society of Actuaries had (probably still has) a meeting/seminar for new Fellows. It's hard to tell given it's a group of actuaries, but there is a celebratory aspect to it. After the day's scheduled events, the Canadians would go out on the town (Chicago, in my case) and have a few drinks and get to know each other. They were very funny and I thoroughly enjoyed hanging out with them. In general, the US actuaries skipped the fun and went back to their hotel rooms to work.

Posted by: Oglebay at September 23, 2026 11:09 AM (2ap+5)

23 I never dreamed we'd have such problems from America's Largest National Park.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: Gotterdammerung at September 23, 2026 11:09 AM (gLYp7)

24 Buy American!
Posted by: Vermont

Questionable.

Posted by: Reforger at September 23, 2026 11:09 AM (F9nWj)

25 The canucks got too big for their britches. They are the spoiled kid whose parents always fought their battles for them and they grew up thinking they're bulletproof.

Time to let them find out what it's like to get punched in the face.

Posted by: ballistic at September 23, 2026 11:10 AM (oqH4h)

26 What will we do without Canadian bacon?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 23, 2026 11:10 AM (wpRMV)

27 Where's that Alberta fellow? He's got a good head on his shoulders about stuff like this. Also, Grampy I think.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at September 23, 2026 11:10 AM (l26NL)

28
Strike, immediately and with overwhelming force, at the Strategic Poutine Reserve.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 23, 2026 11:11 AM (eRlcH)

29 > Earlier this year, Canada doubled down on alignment with the CCP, essentially ending any chance at the USMCA surviving - even with changes.
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This, right here, is what's behind the hostility.

China.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2026 11:11 AM (2Cry5)

30 Search out videos of the Canadian parliament. It's a bunch of people from India and Pakistan arguing with each other.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2026 11:11 AM (2UnvF)

31 I think we may be distracted from the epstien files.

Posted by: Reforger at September 23, 2026 11:11 AM (F9nWj)

32 Buck- before we undertake any of the changes you recommend, I think we'll have to see if the Canadians vote to keep the current lunatic regime (the next general federal election in Canada must be held by Oct. 15, 2029). I think, or perhaps it's just a hope, the Canadians will come to their senses. I don't imagine Carney's policies sit well with many or most of them, but then, I don't follow their politics that closely.

This is a longer time horizon than I'd like, but Canada is a valuable ally, and I'd really like to see if this can be resolved to the benefit of both partners.

Posted by: Aretha at September 23, 2026 11:12 AM (Riz8t)

33 What will we do without Canadian bacon?

* makes "call me" gesture *

Posted by: Hormel Cure 88 at September 23, 2026 11:12 AM (vTZFs)

34 Argghhhhh.

Posted by: Archimedes = Aretha at September 23, 2026 11:12 AM (Riz8t)

35 I remember when Quebec came close to secession and we were wondering if France would be the first to recognize them. As a thought exercise we started planning for the deployment of the French military, and what an invasion by American troops would look like. The CG happened to walk in, saw what we were doing,and I got the dreaded "Captain Diogenes, can I have a word."

Posted by: Diogenes at September 23, 2026 11:12 AM (2WIwB)

36 I'd appreciate some Canadian snow about now.

Posted by: Eromero at September 23, 2026 11:13 AM (LHPAg)

37 Buck- before we undertake any of the changes you recommend, I think we'll have to see if the Canadians vote to keep the current lunatic regime (the next general federal election in Canada must be held by Oct. 15, 2029).

So, what, we just lie back and get f*cked for three full years? Not a good plan, IMO.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 23, 2026 11:13 AM (vTZFs)

38 Mark it now: if Canada continues on this path, there will be PRC bases on our border.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 23, 2026 11:13 AM (HeG1i)

39 Argghhhhh.
Posted by: Archimedes

Also, it's a Joe Mannix post, not a Throckmorton post.

Posted by: Bulg at September 23, 2026 11:14 AM (77rzZ)

40 Many typos.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 23, 2026 11:14 AM (fcCLB)

41 I'd appreciate some Canadian snow about now.
Posted by: Eromero

I like their fishing in northern Saskatchewan and the NWT. I also actually enjoy Canadian football. I don't think I've ever met a Canadian I didn't like.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at September 23, 2026 11:15 AM (l26NL)

42 Free Alberta!

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 23, 2026 11:15 AM (TezPK)

43 - If the EU and Canada work out an arrangement to bring Canada into the EU, withdraw from NATO. It is insane to be the military power guaranteeing the security of what is the new Warsaw Pact.

This is probably the most fraught step, and one I'd be very reticent to take. However, I agree with the idea that we can't be both hostile to Canada and its primary ally.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:16 AM (Riz8t)

44
The CG happened to walk in, saw what we were doing,and I got the dreaded "Captain Diogenes, can I have a word."

Posted by: Diogenes at September 23, 2026 11:12 AM (2WIwB)

__________

Was that about the time when Canadians were horrified to learn about War Plan Red?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 23, 2026 11:16 AM (eRlcH)

45 >>the US actuaries skipped the fun and went back to their hotel rooms to ~~work~~ watch porn

Posted by: to work, sure Jan at September 23, 2026 11:16 AM (J4Dwc)

46 Free Alberta!
Posted by: Joe Mama at September 23, 2026 11:15 AM (TezPK)

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With purchase of equal or greater value!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2026 11:16 AM (2UnvF)

47 Sorry, Joe.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:17 AM (Riz8t)

48 Mark it now: if Canada continues on this path, there will be PRC bases on our border.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 23, 2026 11:13 AM (HeG1i)

Attacks on the US launched from Canada might mean the end of Canada.

Posted by: mr tmz at September 23, 2026 11:17 AM (rJ48h)

49 Fat Alberta!

Posted by: The Coz at September 23, 2026 11:17 AM (TezPK)

50 Hey hey hey.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 23, 2026 11:18 AM (fcCLB)

51 43 - If the EU and Canada work out an arrangement to bring Canada into the EU, withdraw from NATO. It is insane to be the military power guaranteeing the security of what is the new Warsaw Pact.

This is probably the most fraught step, and one I'd be very reticent to take. However, I agree with the idea that we can't be both hostile to Canada and its primary ally.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:16 AM (Riz8t)
This sounds familiar. Europe before WW I?

Posted by: Eromero at September 23, 2026 11:18 AM (LHPAg)

52 Solution: Make the CCP's relationship with Canada untenable.
There is not enough profit in trade with Europe and Europe cannot afford to prop up Canada as Xi will.

This hemisphere has no place for the CCP. There is no place for the CCP on our border. Do we want China on our border? No. It should be regarded as an invasion.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 23, 2026 11:18 AM (iLKq8)

53
Tis pity Canada has spent its history just defining itself as Not-the-US.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 23, 2026 11:18 AM (eRlcH)

54 Fat Alberta!
Posted by: The Coz

Alberta VO5

Posted by: Bulg at September 23, 2026 11:19 AM (77rzZ)

55 Early Monkey gets the..Worm?

Posted by: It's Not My Minkey at September 23, 2026 11:19 AM (Fn+3X)

56 38 Mark it now: if Canada continues on this path, there will be PRC bases on our border.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 23, 2026 11:13 AM (HeG1i)

Which is why I say, in all seriousness, we should use all available devices to destabilize the government and replace it with one more agreeable. Negotiating Greenland doesn't mean much if the enemy can walk across the border.

Posted by: it puts the lotion in the basket at September 23, 2026 11:19 AM (sAnBa)

57 55 Early Monkey gets the..Worm?
Posted by: It's Not My Minkey at September 23, 2026 11:19 AM (Fn+3X)
Banana.

Posted by: Eromero at September 23, 2026 11:19 AM (LHPAg)

58 If it keeps Fat Canucks off the Outer Banks, I'm for it.

Posted by: Canadian Hole, NC at September 23, 2026 11:20 AM (Fn+3X)

59 > Mark it now: if Canada continues on this path, there will be PRC bases on our border.
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There might already be some...

It's been alleged that the PRC has established "outposts" at various Canadian border patrol points. Supposedly to "train" and "observe" border control methods and processes.

And spy on American interests on or near the border.

Mostly spy.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2026 11:20 AM (2Cry5)

60 Alberta VO5
Posted by: Bulg

My fave!

Posted by: Greasy Gavin at September 23, 2026 11:20 AM (TezPK)

61
It would not surprise me to learn the heathen Chinee have secret bases in the far north of Canada.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 23, 2026 11:20 AM (eRlcH)

62 Canada’s about an hour and a half north of me. They drive slower and have weird money.
Also, the occasional illegal alien bearing fentanyl.

Posted by: RI Red at September 23, 2026 11:21 AM (GOpmI)

63 It's been alleged that the PRC has established "outposts" at various Canadian border patrol points. Supposedly to "train" and "observe" border control methods and processes.

And spy on American interests on or near the border.

Mostly spy.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

And facilitate movement of CCP citizens across said border.

Posted by: Greasy Gavin at September 23, 2026 11:22 AM (TezPK)

64 It would not surprise me to learn the heathen Chinee have secret bases in the far north of Canada.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

Yukon never tell.

Posted by: Greasy Gavin at September 23, 2026 11:23 AM (TezPK)

65 51st state? That’s an outrage!!! How dare Trunp even bring that up.

Oooh 29th EU colony? Where do we sign up?

/ Canada

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 23, 2026 11:23 AM (jmRo5)

66
I have to go out and buy coffee. You people be good while I'm gone.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 23, 2026 11:23 AM (eRlcH)

67 Off hair-gel sock

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 23, 2026 11:23 AM (TezPK)

68 It doesn't seem inconceivable to me that the US and Canada could engage in a shooting war some time. Let's say Alberta ends up declaring independence, Canada uses military force to try to prevent this (using protection of indigenous people as the excuse), and Alberta asks US for military assistance against Canada........ I'm not advocating for this, or even predicting, just mentioning as a possibility.

Posted by: Road Warrior at September 23, 2026 11:24 AM (wHUXH)

69 11 That does it. I'm implementing a full boycott of all Hallmark movies. Mrs D is annoyed but she'll get over it.
Posted by: Diogenes

It's OK. Those flicks haven't been the same since Aunt Becky went into the Slammer.

Posted by: Merry Christmas, Indeed at September 23, 2026 11:24 AM (Fn+3X)

70 Canada would have voted to let Clancy go free.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 23, 2026 11:24 AM (dXMch)

71 Canada’s about an hour and a half north of me. They drive slower and have weird money.

In Michigan, you'd occasionally get a Canadian penny in your change. Nobody cared. You'd spend it just like any American penny.

Posted by: Bulg at September 23, 2026 11:25 AM (77rzZ)

72 Thx Joe.
Before our Congress even thought about doing your suggestions, Canada and Carney will implode. Carney the other day said Canada is the most affordable it's been in ten years. Someone that delusional won't last long

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 23, 2026 11:25 AM (I6R/i)

73 48 Mark it now: if Canada continues on this path, there will be PRC bases on our border.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 23, 2026 11:13 AM (HeG1i)

Attacks on the US launched from Canada might mean the end of Canada.

Posted by: mr tmz
----

One more territory in our hemispherical independence.
One more tranche of Islamists to deport.
Normal Canadian's will be glad to no longer suffer the fools.
The French Canadian's will bitch as they always do but they
will enjoy their little 'free French' fiefdom protected by
crude Uncle Sam.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 23, 2026 11:25 AM (iLKq8)

74 It doesn't seem inconceivable to me that the US and Canada could engage in a shooting war some time. Let's say Alberta ends up declaring independence, Canada uses military force to try to prevent this (using protection of indigenous people as the excuse), and Alberta asks US for military assistance against Canada........ I'm not advocating for this, or even predicting, just mentioning as a possibility.
Posted by: Road Warrior

Albertans could probably defeat Canadian armed forces on it's own.

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 23, 2026 11:25 AM (TezPK)

75 I have to go out and buy coffee. You people be good while I'm gone.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

You're not new here...

Posted by: Bulg at September 23, 2026 11:26 AM (77rzZ)

76 TezPK)

68 It doesn't seem inconceivable to me that the US and Canada could engage in a shooting war some time. Let's say Alberta ends up declaring independence, Canada uses military force to try to prevent this (using protection of indigenous people as the excuse), and Alberta asks US for military assistance against Canada........ I'm not advocating for this, or even predicting, just mentioning as a possibility.
Posted by: Road Warrior at September 23, 2026 11:24 AM (wHUXH)

It wouldn’t last long. The only things that physically tie Alberta to the rest of Canada are a dozen or so hiway intersections and a few airports. Control those, fights over.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 23, 2026 11:26 AM (dXMch)

77 What will we do without Canadian bacon?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 23, 2026 11:10 AM (wpRMV)
==
All be better off. A terrible piece of food.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 23, 2026 11:27 AM (7/DDO)

78 Mark it now: if Canada continues on this path, there will be PRC bases on our border.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 23, 2026 11:13 AM (HeG1i)

Outnumbered only by the Mosques that get built.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 23, 2026 11:27 AM (2WIwB)

79 Alberta’s independence isn’t happening unfortunately. Like most states it’s the rural vs city divide. If just rural Alberta voted it would be a slam dunk yes. Add in Edmonton and Calgary with its “diversity” and woke batshit crazy leftists and it overwhelms the vote to no.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 23, 2026 11:27 AM (jmRo5)

80 There is no such thing as "Canadian bacon".

Posted by: toby928(c) at September 23, 2026 11:28 AM (4NO2D)

81 Does Canada even HAVE a functional military now?

Posted by: tubal at September 23, 2026 11:28 AM (Gqar8)

82 33 What will we do without Canadian bacon?

Egg McMuffins to go from unaffordable to more unaffordable.

Posted by: Large combo meal? That'll be $38.77 at September 23, 2026 11:28 AM (TbWk/)

83 Buck- before we undertake any of the changes you recommend, I think we'll have to see if the Canadians vote to keep the current lunatic regime (the next general federal election in Canada must be held by Oct. 15, 2029).

You would have us wait until Trump is no longer in office in the hopes that either Canada will reverse the trajectory it's been on for at least 2015 - first election of Trudeau as PM, or that whoever replaces Trump as President will act as forcefully as he in protecting the US?

That seems unwise.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 23, 2026 11:28 AM (ExV1e)

84 Drove the Northway from Albany up to Saratoga or Glens Falls many times. The Canadians drive like lunatics on that road , especially the truckers. Seen a lot of wrecks involving Canucks especially in winter

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 23, 2026 11:28 AM (I6R/i)

85 Canada's pivot to the EU isn't all that surprising. I still think they're going to have their ass handed to them, by the US, but the EU will be there to put a band-aid on it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2026 11:29 AM (2Cry5)

86 >>>In Michigan, you'd occasionally get a Canadian penny in your change

And Canadian quarters. They’d spend in Michigan, as well. Except in vending machines.

Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2026 11:29 AM (J4Dwc)

87 Cut all trade with Canada for six months. Give them a taste of deprivation. Then start whispering in the Canadian population's ears that perhaps regime change in their government might be a better recourse.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 23, 2026 11:29 AM (g8Ew8)

88 "Conscious uncoupling" is what Gwyneth called divorce.

This can be more like a trial separation where we leave the door open for rapprochement .

We have 10x the population of Canada. Rough math says that the effects of a trade war with reciprocal 'tit for tat' tariffs will hit your average Canadian 10x that of an American.

The EU is already a sinking ship. I don't give it ten years on current trajectory.

This tells me that Carney doesn't have the best interests of the Canadian people in mind, and hopefully the people will figure this out. At least in some provinces.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2026 11:30 AM (dtajH)

89 I think I read somewhere that 90% of Canadas population lives within 150 miles of American borders. Huddled on our doorstep, so to speak.

Posted by: tubal at September 23, 2026 11:30 AM (Gqar8)

90 42 Free Alberta!
Posted by: Joe Mama at September 23, 2026 11:15 AM (TezPK)

With purchase of Alberta of equal or greater value.

Posted by: Always read the fine print, eh. at September 23, 2026 11:30 AM (TbWk/)

91
The Covid-esque/Syence!!!!! Phase of the

Sydney Sweeney Jelly-Driven Backlash has begun.

https://tinyurl.com/57jwk4rj

Finally! All the Sydney Sweeney Hating gals with itty, bitty, little tweakers can prance around with their sallow, vegan-fed chests puffed out, and their patchouli oil wafting in the air screaming,

"Ha ha, Sydney Sweeney! Ha, ha! I'm probably healthier than you!....Probably! It's Syence!!!!"

What a great day for them!!!!

Posted by: naturalfake at September 23, 2026 11:30 AM (YSUhf)

92 When Germany under the AfD leaves the EU, there will be a stampede, leaving only Canada and France in it.

Posted by: toby928(c) at September 23, 2026 11:31 AM (4NO2D)

93 This is probably the most fraught step, and one I'd be very reticent to take.

Whereas I have been ready to leave NATO for 30 years now. Europe are not our allies and multilateral defense treaties are stupid. We can do something with Poland if we feel that a US presence in Europe is warranted and let the rest fend for themselves.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 23, 2026 11:31 AM (ExV1e)

94 There is no such thing as "Canadian bacon".
Posted by: toby928(c) at September 23, 2026 11:28 AM (4NO2D)

It's just ham.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 23, 2026 11:31 AM (g8Ew8)

95 It doesn't seem inconceivable to me that the US and Canada could engage in a shooting war some time.
Posted by: Road Warrior

The incoming warfare isn't pew-pew. It's beep-bop-boop and cha-ching~! The US is under attack 24/7 by the CCP by other means. 800,000 CCP students aren't here for the Starbucks and Sociology 101 lectures.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 23, 2026 11:31 AM (HeG1i)

96 You would have us wait until Trump is no longer in office in the hopes that either Canada will reverse the trajectory it's been on for at least 2015 - first election of Trudeau as PM, or that whoever replaces Trump as President will act as forcefully as he in protecting the US?

That seems unwise.

Fair point, but I think it might be a good thing if Trump were to leave. They've painted themselves into a corner because of pride and a desire to stick it to the US, specifically Trump, and once he leaves, they can declare victory, save face, and then do what is in the best interests of the country, as opposed to what that petulant twit Carney wants to do.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:31 AM (Riz8t)

97 tells me that Carney doesn't have the best interests of the Canadian people in mind, and hopefully the people will figure this out. At least in some provinces.

Posted by: Ignoramus

Blacks vote 90% Dem and have for 60 years even as Dem policies have been destructive for them.

People can be very stupid for a very long time when it comes to voting against their interests.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 23, 2026 11:31 AM (jmRo5)

98 Oooops,

Forgot the link

https://tinyurl.com/57jwk4rj

Stupid brain...
(kicks rocks*)

Posted by: naturalfake at September 23, 2026 11:31 AM (YSUhf)

99 Posted by: Aretha at September 23, 2026 11:12 AM (Riz8t)

Waiting three years for their election on the off chance they get their heads out of their asses is a bad plan. They can do a huge amount of damage (and they will) in that time.

And...it is Joe Mannix, not Buck.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 23, 2026 11:32 AM (UmQWa)

100 Confrontation between the CCP and the Islamists may be interesting.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 23, 2026 11:32 AM (iLKq8)

101 After Trump is gone we'll kiss and make up.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 23, 2026 11:32 AM (Cqx++)

102 And Canadian quarters. They’d spend in Michigan, as well. Except in vending machines.
Posted by: one hour sober

I don't remember getting Canadian quarters. Maybe a dime once in a while. But I grew up on the western side of the state, so maybe the bigger coins didn't make it over that far.

Posted by: Bulg at September 23, 2026 11:32 AM (77rzZ)

103 tells me that Carney doesn't have the best interests of the Canadian people in mind, and hopefully the people will figure this out. At least in some provinces.

Posted by: Ignoramus

Blacks vote 90% Dem and have for 60 years even as Dem policies have been destructive for them.

People can be very stupid for a very long time when it comes to voting against their interests.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 23, 2026 11:31 AM (jmRo5)

"Free Stuff" and Envy are powerful drugs.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 23, 2026 11:33 AM (YSUhf)

104 So, Chinada or Chinadia?

Posted by: Great Plains Drifter at September 23, 2026 11:33 AM (85Bnm)

105 Before our Congress even thought about doing your suggestions, Canada and Carney will implode. Carney the other day said Canada is the most affordable it's been in ten years. Someone that delusional won't last long
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 23, 2026 11:25 AM (I6R/i)

The next PM will be Indian.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 23, 2026 11:33 AM (ExV1e)

106 Oooops,

Forgot the link

https://tinyurl.com/57jwk4rj

Stupid brain...
(kicks rocks*)
Posted by: naturalfake at September 23, 2026 11:31 AM (YSUhf)

Kick rocks again because your stupid brain tricked you into thinking you left off the link.

Check your post again.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian [/q] at September 23, 2026 11:33 AM (N1DT3)

107 Early Monkey gets the..Worm?
Posted by: It's Not My Minkey at September 23, 2026 11:19 AM (Fn+3X)
Banana.
Posted by: Eromero at September 23, 2026 11:19 AM (LHPAg)

Naaaa....he's just happy to see you.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 23, 2026 11:34 AM (2WIwB)

108 And they can keep their nasty Geese, too!

Posted by: Honking Crap Machines at September 23, 2026 11:34 AM (Fn+3X)

109
This isn't the Canada you grew up with.

45% imported population, Internationalist socialist eurucommie government completely invested in a moral superiority they never possessed and dedicated to killing it's own elderly and depressed.

Posted by: Auspex at September 23, 2026 11:34 AM (Y8DZL)

110 And Canadian quarters. They’d spend in Michigan, as well. Except in vending machines.
Posted by: one hour sober

I don't remember getting Canadian quarters. Maybe a dime once in a while. But I grew up on the western side of the state, so maybe the bigger coins didn't make it over that far.
Posted by: Bulg at September 23, 2026 11:32 AM (77rzZ)

I would occasionally get them in downstate Illinois. How did you never get them in west Michigan?

Posted by: Formerly Virginian [/q] at September 23, 2026 11:34 AM (N1DT3)

111 This isn't the Canada you grew up with.

45% imported population, Internationalist socialist eurucommie government completely invested in a moral superiority they never possessed and dedicated to killing it's own elderly and depressed.

Also a very fair point.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:35 AM (Riz8t)

112 Oooops,

Forgot the link

https://tinyurl.com/57jwk4rj

Stupid brain...
(kicks rocks*)
Posted by: naturalfake at September 23, 2026 11:31 AM (YSUhf)

Kick rocks again because your stupid brain tricked you into thinking you left off the link.

Check your post again.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian [/q] at September 23, 2026 11:33 AM (N1DT3)

NOOOOOOOO!

(kicks brain)

Posted by: naturalfake at September 23, 2026 11:35 AM (YSUhf)

113 ...and once he leaves, they can declare victory, save face, and then do what is in the best interests of the country, as opposed to what that petulant twit Carney wants to do.
-----

That presumes that "the people" have any say in how things are going to be done in Canada.

Posted by: Crusader at September 23, 2026 11:35 AM (TN0g+)

114 This isn't the Canada you grew up with.

45% imported population, Internationalist socialist eurucommie government completely invested in a moral superiority they never possessed and dedicated to killing it's own elderly and depressed.
Posted by: Auspex at September 23, 2026 11:34 AM (Y8DZL)

The videos I see of rivers and lakes polluted by the invaders is quite eye opening.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at September 23, 2026 11:35 AM (N1DT3)

115 Fair point, but I think it might be a good thing if Trump were to leave. They've painted themselves into a corner because of pride and a desire to stick it to the US, specifically Trump, and once he leaves, they can declare victory, save face, and then do what is in the best interests of the country, as opposed to what that petulant twit Carney wants to do.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:31 AM (Riz8t)

People who behave like that are not stalwart allies and we should not pretend that they are.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 23, 2026 11:35 AM (ExV1e)

116 It's just ham.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons

Lies!!
Next your going to try and tell us pork, bacon and ham are from the same animal. Doctor indeed.
Not a biologist though.

Posted by: Reforger at September 23, 2026 11:36 AM (F9nWj)

117 There is no such thing as "Canadian bacon".
Posted by: toby928(c) at September 23, 2026 11:28 AM (4NO2D)

It's just ham.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
________

And as much as I like country ham, ham is not bacon. Too little fat.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at September 23, 2026 11:36 AM (XvL8K)

118 I would occasionally get them in downstate Illinois. How did you never get them in west Michigan?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian

Don't know. Maybe I did and just don't remember. But that seems unlikely. I surely would have noticed.

Posted by: Bulg at September 23, 2026 11:36 AM (77rzZ)

119 Carney is playing a losing hand and doing what he can to try and stop the US play. The democrats are all traitors, willfully helping avowed and soon to be avowed enemies topple the republic so they can continue what they were wanting to do under Biden.

China and the EU are both dying places. Canada has decided to for a moment leave the the most stable and profitable geographic alliance to chase their tail with the remainder of the Davos crowd and the global communist cabal. Big mistake.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 23, 2026 11:37 AM (7/DDO)

120 think I read somewhere that 90% of Canadas population lives within 150 miles of American borders. Huddled on our doorstep, so to speak.
Posted by: tubal at September 23, 2026 11:30 AM (Gqar

Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver are each an hour’s drive or less from the border. Those 3 metro areas are something like 50% of the population. Canadas population and economic engines are all practically next to the US.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 23, 2026 11:37 AM (jmRo5)

121 People who behave like that are not stalwart allies and we should not pretend that they are.

The point here is that Carney DOESN'T represent most Canadians, he just kind of fell into the job when Baby Fidel had to leave. It would be like everyone abandoning us because of Biden's Reign of Error.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:37 AM (Riz8t)

122 This isn't the Canada you grew up with.

45% imported population, Internationalist socialist eurucommie government completely invested in a moral superiority they never possessed and dedicated to killing it's own elderly and depressed.

Also a very fair point.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:35 AM (Riz8t)

***

They are butchering the generation that would vote against all this commie BS...which also serves to keep everyone else in line.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 23, 2026 11:37 AM (2WIwB)

123 Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver are each an hour’s drive or less from the border. Those 3 metro areas are something like 50% of the population. Canadas population and economic engines are all practically next to the US.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez

Edmonton is the only major Canadian city that's more than 100 miles from the US border.

Posted by: Bulg at September 23, 2026 11:38 AM (77rzZ)

124 It's just ham.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
--------

Very tasty portion of ham.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 23, 2026 11:39 AM (iLKq8)

125 The point here is that Carney DOESN'T represent most Canadians

At least I hope he doesn't, or even if he does, they'll come to their senses when the chickens come home to roost. China is NOT a good ally.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:39 AM (Riz8t)

126 Yeah imported population is accurate. Vancouver is basically a “no whites need apply” city today.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 23, 2026 11:39 AM (jmRo5)

127 Yeah imported population is accurate. Vancouver is basically a “no whites need apply” city today.

I think you're forgetting that diversity is our strength!

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:40 AM (Riz8t)

128 The CBC is PBS+NPR on steroids. The Canadian government is becoming Stalinist in its operations.

The Canadian political class is becoming an exclusive band of looters and thieves and will employ any means necessary to maintain its control over the country.

I'm betting the most popular map in Canada today is the one with the Stars and Stripes superimposed on the US, AK, and Greenland, and surrounding poor little Canada.

Elbows up.

Posted by: mrp at September 23, 2026 11:42 AM (rj6Yv)

129 It's just ham.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
--------

Very tasty portion of ham.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 23, 2026 11:39 AM (iLKq

==
There is a processing to it that doesn't remind me of ham at all. More like bad ham lunchmeat. I much prefer actual ham for breakfast.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 23, 2026 11:43 AM (7/DDO)

130 Greater Toronto metro region is 20% of the population. That would be like NYC metro area having 70M people. That amount of influence from one region is crazy.

It’s why Alberta gets fucked. The entire province has 1/2 the population of greater Toronto. Their interests will always get outvoted.

Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez at September 23, 2026 11:43 AM (jmRo5)

131 "People can be very stupid for a very long time when it comes to voting against their interests."

mumble mumble "but you can't fool all the people all of the time."

Things shoud change after the mid-terms especially if the Canadian economy is getting kicked in the nads.

I say "should" because political structures can resist the will of the people. That's what's happening across Europe. It's toxic when mixed with economic decline. You'd think the Europeans would have learned this by now.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2026 11:43 AM (dtajH)

132 I don't remember getting Canadian quarters. Maybe a dime once in a while. But I grew up on the western side of the state, so maybe the bigger coins didn't make it over that far.
Posted by: Bulg at September 23, 2026 11:32 AM (77rzZ)

When I was living in Alaska, we would always have some Canadian quarters and dimes. the quarters worked in pop machines.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 23, 2026 11:43 AM (PSEDc)

133 >>Don't know. Maybe I did and just don't remember. But that seems unlikely. I surely would have noticed.

Born and raised in the Muskegon area and I got them in my change frequently. You probably just don’t remember.

Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2026 11:44 AM (J4Dwc)

134 It's just ham.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons

Trust him. He's a doctor.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 23, 2026 11:44 AM (vTZFs)

135 Wouldn't it be lovely if we could divert the Deep State's focus from destroying this country to destroying our enemies. Canada wouldn't stand a chance.

Posted by: Polka will never die at September 23, 2026 11:44 AM (BwOu7)

136 Very tasty portion of ham.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 23, 2026 11:39 AM (iLKq
==
There is a processing to it that doesn't remind me of ham at all. More like bad ham lunchmeat. I much prefer actual ham for breakfast.

It is NOT ham.
Canadian bacon is a fully cooked, savory pork product made from the lean eye of the pig's back loin rather than the fatty pork belly used for traditional streaky bacon.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:44 AM (Riz8t)

137 Economic blockade on Canada, same a with Iran. Let’s see if the Chinese and the Euros can keep them going.

I’d like to see the federal structure of Canada break up completely and for them to devolve into several independent states.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 23, 2026 11:46 AM (dXMch)

138 Well THAT'S gotta hurt.

https://tinyurl.com/n8dj5svt

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:46 AM (Riz8t)

139 It is NOT ham.
Canadian bacon is a fully cooked, savory pork product made from the lean eye of the pig's back loin rather than the fatty pork belly used for traditional streaky bacon.
Posted by: Archimedes
_________

There's no such thing as lean bacon.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at September 23, 2026 11:47 AM (XvL8K)

140 When Germany under the AfD leaves the EU, there will be a stampede, leaving only Canada and France in it.

Posted by: toby928(c)

France will be bankrupt soon, so probably Greece and Bulgaria instead. Only Germany and France are net positive contributors to the EU, and they are both dying. All of the rest are net takers.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 23, 2026 11:47 AM (0U5gm)

141 Brock Bowers of the LV Raiders (seems weird) will play for the first time this year this weekend, after undergoing a "meniscus trim".
Is this anything like a Brazilian??

Posted by: From about That Time at September 23, 2026 11:48 AM (sl73Y)

142 Canada is a federation. They were only a nation when called on to fight the Crown's wars. And to support the NHL, where 80% of the franchises are now in the US.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 23, 2026 11:49 AM (dtajH)

143 138>> On the other side of the coin, they can't do as much harm if they're not in office to do anything.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 23, 2026 11:52 AM (3Ope8)

144 Canadian bacon, bacon, ham.
You don't eat a pig like that all at once

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 23, 2026 11:52 AM (I6R/i)

145 Economic blockade on Canada, same a with Iran. Let’s see if the Chinese and the Euros can keep them going.

I’d like to see the federal structure of Canada break up completely and for them to devolve into several independent states.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 23, 2026 11:46 AM (dXMch)
==
This is the most likely end point if they stay on this path. Just like China where in all likelihood will be a citi-state dissolution, led by Shanghei.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 23, 2026 11:53 AM (7/DDO)

146 What were Carney's political position(s) before his present position in Canada?

I think, IIRC, he had some sort of association with the EU in a political/professional capacity. So his combative posture with Trump might be "manufactured" and/or ingrained by too much EU influence.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2026 11:54 AM (2Cry5)

147 Anyone thinking this will blow over once Trump is gone is missing the point. The globalists want this. Blaming Trump just distracts average Canadians.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 23, 2026 11:54 AM (2UnvF)

148 145 This is the most likely end point if they stay on this path. Just like China where in all likelihood will be a citi-state dissolution, led by Shanghei.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 23, 2026 11:53 AM (7/DDO)

========

Both Canada and Mexico have replacement birth rates on par with China.

Like 1.2 or so.

All three countries will be 1/3 to 1/4 of their current size in two generations. Well, Canada may keep pace by importing 10% of India.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 23, 2026 11:55 AM (38W+X)

149 >>:the quarters worked in pop machines.

Wired because in Michigan they’d get stuck. Hitting the coin return lever repeatedly would sometimes spit them back, sometimes not.

Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2026 11:55 AM (J4Dwc)

150 Breakfast meat trio - sausage, bacon, ham (real ham). With some eggs, that is eating. If you want to really break it down, sausage links and patties.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 23, 2026 11:55 AM (7/DDO)

151 *wierd

Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2026 11:56 AM (J4Dwc)

152 Oooops,

Forgot the link

https://tinyurl.com/57jwk4rj

Stupid brain...
(kicks rocks*)
Posted by: naturalfake at September 23, 2026 11:31 AM (YSUhf)

The comments are Moron worthy. LOL!!

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at September 23, 2026 11:56 AM (hmYU4)

153 Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver are each an hour’s drive or less from the border. Those 3 metro areas are something like 50% of the population. Canadas population and economic engines are all practically next to the US.
Posted by: Sandy Cocazio Ortez

Edmonton is the only major Canadian city that's more than 100 miles from the US border.
Posted by: Bulg at September 23, 2026 11:38 AM (77rzZ)

If I recall, similar percentages of Canada lives south of the 49th parallel. (Border of Western US and Western Canada)

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at September 23, 2026 11:56 AM (N1DT3)

154 All three countries will be 1/3 to 1/4 of their current size in two generations. Well, Canada may keep pace by importing 10% of India.

India is currently a bit below replacement in fertility. It will be interesting to see who rules the world in 50 years. Well, interesting to whomever is still around. I certainly won't be.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:56 AM (Riz8t)

155 I think, IIRC, he had some sort of association with the EU in a political/professional capacity. So his combative posture with Trump might be "manufactured" and/or ingrained by too much EU influence.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

I think he was head of the Bank of England.

Posted by: Bulg at September 23, 2026 11:56 AM (77rzZ)

156
We'll take Alberta, prime Pamela Anderson, The Shat, Rush and Tim Horton's. Ottawa and the ghetto Frogs in Montreal can keep the rest.

And if even a single plate of poutine is found in the US, we're gonna go all Nagasaki on Toronto.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 23, 2026 11:57 AM (iqcvy)

157 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 23, 2026 11:57 AM (ccf/V)

158 Both Canada and Mexico have replacement birth rates on par with China.

Like 1.2 or so.

All three countries will be 1/3 to 1/4 of their current size in two generations. Well, Canada may keep pace by importing 10% of India.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 23, 2026 11:55 AM (38W+X)
==
India is aging rather quickly, and I have seen reports suggesting by 2040 or 45 they will older than the US.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 23, 2026 11:57 AM (7/DDO)

159 154 All three countries will be 1/3 to 1/4 of their current size in two generations. Well, Canada may keep pace by importing 10% of India.

India is currently a bit below replacement in fertility. It will be interesting to see who rules the world in 50 years. Well, interesting to whomever is still around. I certainly won't be.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:56 AM (Riz8t)

=====

I'll take notes.

I'm planning on living forever.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 23, 2026 11:58 AM (38W+X)

160 Canada will put you in jail for stating the true fact that they manufactured a blood libel against Christians.

The Canadian government is no friend.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 23, 2026 11:58 AM (sKqQm)

161 The United States has been getting shafted by the trade world for generations. Now that the world is paying it's 'fair share' in tariffs, they're all shitting their pants.

F*ck em.

Do business with the US, expect equal treatment. Try to screw us, then screw you.......

We've paid for the world to be lazy assholes for far too long.

Welcome to the party, pal.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 23, 2026 11:58 AM (ccf/V)

162 India is aging rather quickly, and I have seen reports suggesting by 2040 or 45 they will older than the US.

No, that's a bit too negative, but they will start declining soon. If you took immigration out of the US, we'd be farther along the demographic decline curve, but still nowhere near the East Asian and some Euro countries.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:58 AM (Riz8t)

163 Hopefully canadians will get motivated and really get those MAID numbers up.

Posted by: Canada Is Kaput at September 23, 2026 11:59 AM (ESXvt)

164 I'll take notes.

I'm planning on living forever.

Dear God, why? Do you really want to continue sharing a planet with AOC?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:59 AM (Riz8t)

165 158 India is aging rather quickly, and I have seen reports suggesting by 2040 or 45 they will older than the US.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 23, 2026 11:57 AM (7/DDO)

======

They just have a lot more people to start with. Can import a lot, Canada can.

The baby collapse is global.

America is actually in one of the best situations on that front. Our overall replacement rate is near 2. Still below replacement (2.1), but close.

The eye on the ball now is just to prevent the importation of a different people with a different culture who will ensure that our future generations aren't American.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 23, 2026 11:59 AM (38W+X)

166
All of our current adversaries appear to have planned for a world where the crooked Uniparty remained in charge in the US. China, the EU, Canada, Venezuela, Iran, India, all of them. A US political structure dedicated to managing the nation's decline while joining in on the looting of what remains.

It looks like that's their preferred plan for the future, too -- go back to the way things were, hopefully starting this November. I think this election season is going to be ugly. Probably more ugly than anything so far. Organized rioting and election rigging, much of it foreign-sponsored. Assassinations. The Left in this country has shown us what they're capable of doing. They'll do that, only more-so than ever.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at September 23, 2026 12:00 PM (2qhzn)

167 164 I'll take notes.

I'm planning on living forever.

Dear God, why? Do you really want to continue sharing a planet with AOC?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:59 AM (Riz8t)

====

She has her corner. I have mine.

We ignore each other. We have an arrangement.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 23, 2026 12:00 PM (38W+X)

168 Do the right thing, Alberta. Tell Ottawa to GFY.

Charge the f*ck out of them for your energy.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 23, 2026 12:01 PM (ccf/V)

169 America is actually in one of the best situations on that front. Our overall replacement rate is near 2. Still below replacement (2.1), but close.

America is religious and advanced, one of the few countries sharing both them aspects right now

Posted by: 18-1 at September 23, 2026 12:01 PM (sKqQm)

170 I'll take notes.

I'm planning on living forever.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 23, 2026 11:58 AM (38W+X)

I don't get it.

Posted by: dantesed at September 23, 2026 12:01 PM (Oy/m2)

171 A singular hegemon is how you get peace. Competing hegemony is how you get war.

The WEF vision is of competing hegemony that all, supposedly, pledge allegiance to the WEF behind the scenes.

It's stupid on a first principles basis.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 23, 2026 12:02 PM (38W+X)

172 161 The United States has been getting shafted by the trade world for generations. Now that the world is paying it's 'fair share' in tariffs, they're all shitting their pants.

F*ck em.

Do business with the US, expect equal treatment. Try to screw us, then screw you.......

We've paid for the world to be lazy assholes for far too long.

Welcome to the party, pal.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 23, 2026 11:58 AM (ccf/V)

Preach it! 100% this.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 23, 2026 12:02 PM (N39Ws)

173 I'm late.

End the Free Trade Agreement.

Secure necessities from elsewhere or drop a few billion to develop those industries.

Punish film companies for filming here.

Exit NATO. And hell, just for laughs hire mercenaries to take this shithole over.

Economic destruction.

And I'm actually in a better mood today.

Posted by: Stateless - Ralphy 105 years old - puppy at heart at September 23, 2026 12:02 PM (Sco7b)

174 169 America is actually in one of the best situations on that front. Our overall replacement rate is near 2. Still below replacement (2.1), but close.

America is religious and advanced, one of the few countries sharing both them aspects right now

Posted by: 18-1 at September 23, 2026 12:01 PM (sKqQm)

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American conservatives appear to be the only white people on the planet who believe in a future.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 23, 2026 12:02 PM (38W+X)

175 Anyone city boy born and raised in South Detroit is well acquainted with Canadian money.

Posted by: Oglebay at September 23, 2026 12:03 PM (2ap+5)

176 Both Canada and Mexico have replacement birth rates on par with China.

Like 1.2 or so.

All three countries will be 1/3 to 1/4 of their current size in two generations. Well, Canada may keep pace by importing 10% of India.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 23, 2026 11:55 AM (38W+X)
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India is aging rather quickly, and I have seen reports suggesting by 2040 or 45 they will older than the US.
Posted by: Black JEM at September 23, 2026 11:57 AM (7/DDO)

In 50 years, unless the left is successful in ideologically capturing the children of conservatives, there will be a very conservative U.S.

The "replacement rate" of the country doesn't capture that conservatives, and especially Christians, are raising the next generation. (2 children is a small family at my church.)

Meanwhile, the liberals have on average, less than one child.

This is ALSO why the left is so angry about deporting their new population. They know that they are losing their grip on the native-born.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at September 23, 2026 12:03 PM (N1DT3)

177 Most populous nation in the world by 2100 will be Nigeria, even though they have the lowest life expectancy on the planet-54. However, it's a mute point because the world will end in 2033.

Posted by: Ample Biblical Evidence... at September 23, 2026 12:04 PM (Fn+3X)

178 > The WEF vision is of competing hegemony that all, supposedly, pledge allegiance to the WEF behind the scenes.
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Personally, I think the US gives that piece of shit organization way too much latitude to exist.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 23, 2026 12:05 PM (2Cry5)

179 176 The "replacement rate" of the country doesn't capture that conservatives, and especially Christians, are raising the next generation. (2 children is a small family at my church.)

Meanwhile, the liberals have on average, less than one child.

This is ALSO why the left is so angry about deporting their new population. They know that they are losing their grip on the native-born.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at September 23, 2026 12:03 PM (N1DT3)

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The birth replacement rate is very uneven across cultures within America.

Conservatives remain at replacement, 2.1, and have since the 90s.

Progressives went from 2.1 in the early 90s to about 1.2 now.

And within the conservative circle, it's the really conservative ones who are propping up the 2.1 at all by, yes, having lots of kids. Same with my church. I have one of the smallest families (2 kids).

Last Sunday, there were at least 5 new babies I could hear and see.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, discovering British horror with Hammer Films at September 23, 2026 12:05 PM (38W+X)

180 Most populous nation in the world by 2100 will be Nigeria, even though they have the lowest life expectancy on the planet-54. However, it's a mute point because the world will end in 2033.
Posted by: Ample Biblical Evidence... at September 23, 2026 12:04 PM (Fn+3X)

Moot.

Moot.

Moot.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at September 23, 2026 12:05 PM (N1DT3)

181 Most populous nation in the world by 2100 will be Nigeria, even though they have the lowest life expectancy on the planet-54. However, it's a mute point because the world will end in 2033.

Will that be due to AI or Net Neutrality?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 12:05 PM (Riz8t)

182 India is aging rather quickly, and I have seen reports suggesting by 2040 or 45 they will older than the US.

No, that's a bit too negative, but they will start declining soon. If you took immigration out of the US, we'd be farther along the demographic decline curve, but still nowhere near the East Asian and some Euro countries.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 23, 2026 11:58 AM (Riz8t)
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Eh, I am not so sure. Now one variable that will impact that is the fact that with our immigration rates falling, that will impact baby creation here. That could delay things. One nice trend in the US, is that while church attendance continues to shrink, those that remain appear much more devout, and willing to have kids. It will be interesting to see if that actually begins to change our path. Most of the formal protestant denominations don't believe in anything and are dying. And Catholic dioceses that grow actually practice the faith. Is there another religious awakening about to pop up in the US.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 23, 2026 12:06 PM (7/DDO)

183 South Detroit is…Windsor

Posted by: one hour sober at September 23, 2026 12:06 PM (J4Dwc)

184
And within the conservative circle, it's the really conservative ones who are propping up the 2.1 at all by, yes, having lots of kids. Same with my church. I have one of the smallest families (2 kids).

Turns out telling women babies are evil, men are evil, humans should be exterminated, motherhood is cringe, and being an office boss babe is the best she can be has consequences

Posted by: 18-1 at September 23, 2026 12:07 PM (sKqQm)

185 Canada's always had something of a side-eye towards us, it's just generally either been more limited in how it manifested or contained to a certain class. As they've suffered the same deterioration as the rest of the West it's come fully out in the open.

Posted by: Brother Tim is tired at September 23, 2026 12:07 PM (OUMaO)

186 I say "should" because political structures can resist the will of the people. That's what's happening across Europe. It's toxic when mixed with economic decline. You'd think the Europeans would have learned this by now.
Posted by: Ignoramus

Eric Nordlinger had an excellent book chapter on regime change. In part, he discussed regime resilience (rentier states that depend on resource sales rather than taxes for example are more resilient), insulation (that is how much the government is insulated from direct consequences by the people it rules, and internal/external vulnerabilities (such as federalism/size/external threats, etc.

Posted by: whig at September 23, 2026 12:07 PM (E4rtv)

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