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Artificial Intelligence vs. Woke?
We have had a lot of discussion and more than a few laughs over AI in the past couple of years, but things are starting to get serious. Tucquer Carlson recently raked an investor in a huge data center campus and energy infrastructure in Box Elder County, Utah over the coals. Kevin O'Leary, a Canadian, does not have a sterling background.
But Tucquer sort of suggested that investors like him should know what kinds of jobs AI would lead to in the future, and perhaps even have those jobs ready for new graduates from college. That seems sort of unrealistic. On the other hand, new graduates in certain fields face some real problems. Anybody see these students booing?At UCF's graduation last week, a room full of arts and humanities students booed a speaker for mentioning AI. Someone yelled "AI sucks." I get it. I genuinely do. They're still wrong. Here's why:
These weren't CS students. Journalism. Creative writing. Film production. Advertising. People who spent 4 years and serious money training to write, produce, and publish. The floor on junior creative work is collapsing in real time. Their anger is legitimate. Their response is the problem.
Photography didn't kill painting. It killed portrait painters who refused to evolve. The internet didn't kill journalism. It killed the business model that paid reporters to rewrite press releases. Every wave does this. Technology bifurcates the room. Adapters move up. Resisters get displaced. . .Who told these kids that a degree would guarantee a good job for them? Here's a voice from yesteryear: Eric Hoffer:
“Nothing is so unsettling to a social order as the presence of a mass of scribes without suitable employment and an acknowledged status…The explosive component in the contemporary scene is not the clamor of the masses but the self-righteous claims of a multitude of graduates from schools and universities. This army of scribes is clamoring for a society in which planning, regulation, and supervision are paramount and the prerogative of the educated. They hanker for the scribe’s golden age, for a return to something like the scribe-dominated societies of ancient Egypt, China, and the Europe of the Middle Ages. There is little doubt that the present trend in the new and renovated countries toward social regimentation stems partly from the need to create adequate employment for a large number of scribes…Obviously, a high ratio between the supervisory and the productive force spells economic inefficiency. Yet where social stability is an overriding need the economic waste involved in providing suitable positions for the educated might be an element of social efficiency.
It has often been stated that a social order is likely to be stable so long as it gives scope to talent. Actually, it is the ability to give scope to the untalented that is most vital in maintaining social stability…For there is a tendency in the untalented to divert their energies from their own development into the management, manipulation, and probably frustration of others. They want to police, instruct, guide, and meddle. In an adequate society, the untalented should be able to acquire a sense of usefulness and of growth without interfering with the development of talent around them. This requires, first, an abundance of opportunities for purposeful action and self-advancement. Secondly, a wide diffusion of technical and social skills so that people will be able to work and manage their affairs with a minimum of tutelage. The scribe mentality is best neutralized by canalizing energies into purposeful and useful pursuits, and by raising the cultural level of the whole population so as to blur the dividing line between the educated and the uneducated…We do not know enough to suit a social pattern to the realization of all the creative potentialities inherent in a population. But we do know that a scribe-dominated society is not optimal for the full unfolding of the creative mind.”
Of course, eliminating human beings from media outlets also means losing human brains and the interesting ways that their firing synapses, loaded memories, passions and prejudices and even personal quirks can take the “basic information” on offer and fine-tune it to a particular issue, bringing nuance to a headline or making a vital connection to historical trivia that can change the conversation on some hot topic about which too many are “feeling” and too few are seeking clarity and depth. Only the human brain, coupled to human spirit, human emotion and development can take the headline, the social notion, the conversation and -– with an assist from the God-spark that resides in all of us — send it careening off into something else — even something altogether new and enlightening. Without that God-spark, all that is left of thought becomes non-thinking: commonplace, empty, dull and sterile. Two years ago my friends chuckled at me for my instinctive distrust of AI, my wary refusal to experiment with emerging tools, and my worry that ChatGPT had the potential to make parents expendable. They chided me for being paranoid, teasing that I sounded like Kathy Bates in “Waterboy,” mindlessly crowing “AI is the devil!” Recently, a very level-headed friend confessed that she too was becoming concerned; she wondered whether AI might be a sort of antichrist, or a forerunner — a contributor to the sort of chaos (or “chaos magick”that might usher in precisely such a dark energy. As extreme as that sounds, I didn’t shrug it off. It’s too apparent that while some advances in Artificial Intelligence can clearly benefit civilization, it has already begun to warp our understanding of human relationships, inducing a corrupt funhouse distortion to the complex realities of love, or the mysteries of love when it is present and unconditional, and not at all connected to one’s image of oneself. Distortion at that level, minute and personal and all about love, is what can break us completely, individually and as a society, because being created in the image and likeness of the triune God (who is 100% Love), means our brains are a triune wholeism involving body, mind, and spirit and rooted in that love. Through our human brokenness we carry our imperfect comprehensions into every part of that wholeism. So, if we permit our understanding of authentic love to be messed with, we will participate in the shattering of our own foundations. “Foundations once destroyed,” the psalmist asked, “what can the just do” (Ps 11:3)?
Nothing will be left standing. AI cannot pray. It can compose but lacks that broken human element -– and the God-spark — that connects the words to the Word, in whom things all hang together. . .
So, what do you think? We don't want to give up the human voice, do we? Here's a non-scribe use of AI:
This is awesome.
— Crémieux (@cremieuxrecueil) May 19, 2025
These guys used AI to discover a new molecule for treating MRSA and then instead of just going 'Look, we found a potentially helpful molecule' they went and tested it.
It actually worked at suppressing bacterial growth. Nowadays, you can just cure things. https://t.co/wzr0nO7aHu pic.twitter.com/ULwL2nWeIM
Would we know this if Elon Must hadn't bought Twitter?
“But several rellable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler's anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded.”
— Claire (@Claire_V0ltaire) May 15, 2026
- NY Times, 1922 with previous “deeply reported” opinion pic.twitter.com/Ey01dC9UYb
Should we consider a past French Connection? Elon Musk re-tweeted a couple of threads by a French guy which are kind of interesting in both English and French. The first one apologizes for three French philosophers, plus 1968:
Je veux présenter mes excuses, au nom des Français, pour avoir enfanté la French Theory (qui a enfanté la pire des merdes idéologiques : le wokisme).
— Brivael Le Pogam (@brivael) May 15, 2026
Nous avons donné au monde Descartes, Pascal, Tocqueville. Et puis, dans les ruines intellectuelles de l'après-68, nous avons…
I want to offer my apologies, on behalf of the French, for giving birth to French Theory (which in turn gave birth to the worst of all ideological monstrosities: wokism). We gave the world Descartes, Pascal, Tocqueville. And then, in the intellectual ruins of post-1968, we gave Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze. Three brilliant men who forged, in the elegance of our language, the ideological weapon that today paralyzes the West. We must understand what they did. Foucault taught that truth does not exist, that there are only power relations disguised as knowledge. That science, reason, justice, the medical institution, the school, the prison, sexuality—everything is merely a staging of domination. Derrida taught that texts have no stable meaning, that every signifier slips away, that every reading is a betrayal, that the author is dead and the reader reigns supreme. Deleuze taught that we should prefer the rhizome to the tree, the nomad to the sedentary, desire to the law, becoming to being, difference to identity. Taken individually, these are debatable theses. Combined, exported, and popularized, they form a system. And that system is a poison. For here’s what happened. These texts, unreadable in France, crossed the Atlantic. The departments of Yale, Berkeley, and Columbia absorbed them in the 1980s. They found there a soil that did not exist among us: American Puritanism, its racial guilt, its obsession with identity. French Theory married this substratum, and the child of that union is called wokism. . .read the rest by clicking translate on the tweet above. The second thread picked up by Musk discusses socialism:
Le socialisme n'est pas une théorie économique.
— Brivael Le Pogam (@brivael) May 14, 2026
C'est une structure morale qui a besoin de trois choses pour exister :
1. De la rareté à redistribuer
2. Des victimes à défendre
3. Une classe d'intermédiaires pour orchestrer le tout
Retirez un seul de ces trois piliers… https://t.co/uXLFYrxyD9
Socialism is not an economic theory. It is a moral structure that needs three things to exist: 1. Scarcity to redistribute
2. Victims to defend
3. A class of intermediaries to orchestrate the whole thing Remove just one of these three pillars and the edifice collapses. AI is in the process of removing all three at the same time.
True? Your thoughts?
It was a busy week in the news, although, to be honest, a relatively quiet one in meme-world. Trump went to China, the New York Times sank to what could be a new low even for that despicable rag, the Spencer Pratt campaign took Los Angeles by storm, a Hollywood director unveiled a new adaptation of The Odyssey in which Helen is black and Achilles is a woman, the Democrats’ redistricting scheme blew up, for the most part, in their face. But meme-makers responded most to another story, the appearance of the dreaded hantavirus. Here, as someone once said, we go again.
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wow
Posted by: doug at May 16, 2026 11:20 AM (Hy+R4)
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Hmm. Don't get the AI killing socialism thing. Well, it's much worse than that, but I'm being polite. "Victims" are disappearing? Huh? In economics that's simply a distorting emotional term for "those who can't adapt or compete". That's going away?
Posted by: rhomboid at May 16, 2026 11:20 AM (U/Byj)
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neat stuff
Posted by: doug at May 16, 2026 11:20 AM (Hy+R4)
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Love the meme up top. Would also accept "AI can fuck off entirely, we've already become sufficiently helpless as a species...."
Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at May 16, 2026 11:21 AM (kOluj)
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AI will demand that I work to feed it...
Posted by: man at May 16, 2026 11:22 AM (XuXeR)
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Up yours!
Posted by: Rosie the Robot at May 16, 2026 11:22 AM (QovLg)
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Hmm. Don't get the AI killing socialism thing. Well, it's much worse than that, but I'm being polite. "Victims" are disappearing? Huh? In economics that's simply a distorting emotional term for "those who can't adapt or compete". That's going away?
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That's sort of why I asked. I didn't include a tweet of students roaring their disapproval of the graduation speaker trying to suggest that AI would have benefits in the future (she was thinking in science/medicine), but many of the attacks that I saw were posted by people who suggested that they were socialists or communists. Many were students.
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That's sort of why I asked. I didn't include a tweet of students roaring their disapproval of the graduation speaker trying to suggest that AI would have benefits in the future (she was thinking in science/medicine), but many of the attacks that I saw were posted by people who suggested that they were socialists or communists. Many were students.
Posted by: KT at May 16, 2026 11:26 AM (rdeQO)
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I think AI is going to kill itself with the whole datacenter debacle happening in communities across the US.
In order to get free, or nearly free land, electricity and water the proprietors go to small, rural areas and shove money at the local officials to;
- rezone land
- tart up the proposal for the local rubes
- promise jobs, growth
- downplay the negatives
- rape the locals of resources
- profit
We are literally under siege monthly with local officials trying to lipstick the pig that is a datacenter. Nobody locally wants it. The local politicos however have $$ incentives to screw the locals. It's a goddamn mess.
In order to get free, or nearly free land, electricity and water the proprietors go to small, rural areas and shove money at the local officials to;
- rezone land
- tart up the proposal for the local rubes
- promise jobs, growth
- downplay the negatives
- rape the locals of resources
- profit
We are literally under siege monthly with local officials trying to lipstick the pig that is a datacenter. Nobody locally wants it. The local politicos however have $$ incentives to screw the locals. It's a goddamn mess.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2026 11:26 AM (jehhT)
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I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 16, 2026 11:27 AM (Apzx6)
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I still dont get this AI thing. It is not, and can never be, sentient. We still don't understand what consciousness is ourselves, so it seems impossible to me that we could bestow on a computer program.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 16, 2026 11:29 AM (XvL8K)
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That's how Greg Abbott roles!
Seattle considers state of emergency due to all of the 2SLGBTQIA+ refugees from Texas
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Seattle will be fabulous now!
Seattle considers state of emergency due to all of the 2SLGBTQIA+ refugees from Texas
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Seattle will be fabulous now!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 16, 2026 11:32 AM (ndZc7)
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I have absolutely no idea what that MSRA graph is supposed to show.
I have absolutely no idea what that MSRA graph is supposed to show.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 16, 2026 11:33 AM (biznJ)
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Two pretty big anti-terror successes. The kill mission against an ISIS big turban hiding in Nigeria, and arrest of an Iranian cut-out Iraqi "militia" guy involved in attacks in Europe and planning for same here.
One intriguing and puzzling thing in Patel's statement on the arrest. He thanks our "allies", "including Ambassador Tom Barrack". ?? He's the US ambo to Turkey. Unusual to see someone in that position involved in this sort of work. He's also not an "ally", of course. Whatever.
One intriguing and puzzling thing in Patel's statement on the arrest. He thanks our "allies", "including Ambassador Tom Barrack". ?? He's the US ambo to Turkey. Unusual to see someone in that position involved in this sort of work. He's also not an "ally", of course. Whatever.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 16, 2026 11:33 AM (U/Byj)
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"AI is in the process of removing all three at the same time.
True? Your thoughts?"
If this was the case, wouldn't AI be an existential threat specifically to the CCP? I don't see how AI removes victims when new victims are conceived as needed. You'll never run out of victims as long as they're just making shit up.
True? Your thoughts?"
If this was the case, wouldn't AI be an existential threat specifically to the CCP? I don't see how AI removes victims when new victims are conceived as needed. You'll never run out of victims as long as they're just making shit up.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 16, 2026 11:33 AM (w/O5Q)
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Cleaning out my truck box, maybe a 1WP
Posted by: Skip at May 16, 2026 11:34 AM (Ia/+0)
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"The scribe mentality is best neutralized by canalizing energies into purposeful and useful pursuits"
Canalizing. Interesting.
My own thoughts on AI are deeply pessimistic. I've never tried to do anything creative with it (art is meaningless unless produced by a human, IMHO). I regularly ask Grok for various info that I would have googled in the past (not that I ever use google). If it's vital info, I wouldn't trust Grok, but check its work. If it's something simple, like "Who first released The Impossible Dream? - fabulous! Also useful for giving me a starting place for further personal research.
Canalizing. Interesting.
My own thoughts on AI are deeply pessimistic. I've never tried to do anything creative with it (art is meaningless unless produced by a human, IMHO). I regularly ask Grok for various info that I would have googled in the past (not that I ever use google). If it's vital info, I wouldn't trust Grok, but check its work. If it's something simple, like "Who first released The Impossible Dream? - fabulous! Also useful for giving me a starting place for further personal research.
Posted by: Deep Purple at May 16, 2026 11:34 AM (w6EFb)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 16, 2026 11:36 AM (ndZc7)
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Scribes have been getting bad press since Bible times. Same with my profession.
Posted by: The Head Pharisee at May 16, 2026 11:37 AM (oftw2)
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KT I don't attempt to delve into almost any of this, anything involving young'ns and or self-described "socialists" because they're variously not very intelligent, or very practically intelligent, or worldly, or motivated by anything more than will to power, envy, and resentment. Nothing there to work with.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 16, 2026 11:37 AM (U/Byj)
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That top meme is good.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 11:37 AM (bss/y)
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Good morning K.T.
AI like anything else humans produce is a tool . It can be used for good or evil. I like that AI can help in uncovering frauds against the government. I don't like that it could be used as an all encompassing surveillance tool .
AI like anything else humans produce is a tool . It can be used for good or evil. I like that AI can help in uncovering frauds against the government. I don't like that it could be used as an all encompassing surveillance tool .
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 16, 2026 11:39 AM (gu0hJ)
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17 OMG nooooooo!
One-Third of Black Caucus Seats Threatened by Redistricting Fight
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 16, 2026 11:36 AM
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The affected office holders should address this by screaming ghetto threats and insults into the faces of the nearest white people. Immediately. Immediately.
17 OMG nooooooo!
One-Third of Black Caucus Seats Threatened by Redistricting Fight
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 16, 2026 11:36 AM
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The affected office holders should address this by screaming ghetto threats and insults into the faces of the nearest white people. Immediately. Immediately.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 16, 2026 11:39 AM (biznJ)
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15 Cleaning out my truck box, maybe a 1WP
Posted by: Skip
Please come back at 2PM Sunday. CBD needs the clicks.
Posted by: Skip
Please come back at 2PM Sunday. CBD needs the clicks.
Posted by: AOS Scheduling Dept. at May 16, 2026 11:40 AM (oftw2)
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We are literally under siege monthly with local officials trying to lipstick the pig that is a datacenter. Nobody locally wants it. The local politicos however have $$ incentives to screw the locals. It's a goddamn mess.
I get the desire to limit the number of big, power-hungry boxes blighting the landscape, but;
1) Places like Loudon Co. here in NoVa have practically their entire budget paid by taxes on DCs. Nobody complains about that.
2) People like playing with AI enabled by data centers. They almost never volunteer to just do without them.
I get the desire to limit the number of big, power-hungry boxes blighting the landscape, but;
1) Places like Loudon Co. here in NoVa have practically their entire budget paid by taxes on DCs. Nobody complains about that.
2) People like playing with AI enabled by data centers. They almost never volunteer to just do without them.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 11:40 AM (Riz8t)
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The affected office holders should address this by screaming ghetto threats and insults into the faces of the nearest white people. Immediately. Immediately.
So...Tuesday.
So...Tuesday.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 11:41 AM (Riz8t)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 16, 2026 11:42 AM (ndZc7)
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/off Deep Purple sock
>>>He's the US ambo to Turkey. Unusual to see someone in that position involved in this sort of work.
Lots of CIA activity in embassies. He facilitated on some level. Remember Chris Stevens.
>>>He's the US ambo to Turkey. Unusual to see someone in that position involved in this sort of work.
Lots of CIA activity in embassies. He facilitated on some level. Remember Chris Stevens.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at May 16, 2026 11:42 AM (w6EFb)
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Here's a non-scribe use of AI:
This is the promise of AI. My favorite result now is the guys who solved the previously intractable protein folding problem - a hugely important contribution to human welfare.
This is the promise of AI. My favorite result now is the guys who solved the previously intractable protein folding problem - a hugely important contribution to human welfare.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 11:42 AM (Riz8t)
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The real problem with ai is it comes at a time when popular media, creative arts in total, absolutely sucks and is of the lowest quality. They did this because low quality sold well initially. That's what the dummies wanted so that's what the dummies got.
But then the creatives directed all their leftover energy that wasn't needed for producing this simple minded pablum into constant political propaganda. And they have greatly overestimated the true value of their crap messaging. It has obtained negative value really.
They could produce better quality work but that's harder, they have no experience in it, and that doesn't give them the opportunity to pat themselves on the back for being good party members pushing "the narrative". So everything is crap, the kind of easily produced crap trained monkeys could easily produce, or in this case ai.
But then the creatives directed all their leftover energy that wasn't needed for producing this simple minded pablum into constant political propaganda. And they have greatly overestimated the true value of their crap messaging. It has obtained negative value really.
They could produce better quality work but that's harder, they have no experience in it, and that doesn't give them the opportunity to pat themselves on the back for being good party members pushing "the narrative". So everything is crap, the kind of easily produced crap trained monkeys could easily produce, or in this case ai.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 16, 2026 11:43 AM (3uBP9)
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I keep seeing stories about AI being used to make incompetence have the outward appearance of competence. Combined with DEI, it looks sort of, you know, civilization-ending.
I keep seeing stories about AI being used to make incompetence have the outward appearance of competence. Combined with DEI, it looks sort of, you know, civilization-ending.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 16, 2026 11:43 AM (biznJ)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 16, 2026 11:44 AM (HdYcL)
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You'll never run out of victims as long as they're just making shit up.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 16, 2026 11:33 AM (w/O5Q)
So true.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 16, 2026 11:33 AM (w/O5Q)
So true.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at May 16, 2026 11:44 AM (w6EFb)
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Fetterman Warns Democratic Base Is Growing More Anti-American
I'm pretty sure he'll leave the Democrats and become an Independent. The big question is with whom will he caucus?
I'm pretty sure he'll leave the Democrats and become an Independent. The big question is with whom will he caucus?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 11:44 AM (Riz8t)
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While I love the tech behind AI, I absolutely despise most of the ways it's being used. Generative AI for creative purposes is taking probabilities harvested from actual creators and using it to create simulacrums of creative work, devoid of meaningful human input.
Combine that with the fact that the industry is pushing recklessly toward removing compute power from the individual consumer and putting out firmly in the grasp of Big Tech.
Combine both of those with the fact that the power and water needs of AI data centers are driving up the cost of living for the average citizen.
All said and done, we have a system where the average person has a lower quality of life and less access to technology and information, at a higher cost.
Combine that with the fact that the industry is pushing recklessly toward removing compute power from the individual consumer and putting out firmly in the grasp of Big Tech.
Combine both of those with the fact that the power and water needs of AI data centers are driving up the cost of living for the average citizen.
All said and done, we have a system where the average person has a lower quality of life and less access to technology and information, at a higher cost.
Posted by: Part-time Thinker at May 16, 2026 11:45 AM (Wt18Q)
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If accurate, wow. Trump: if you want to see a university system die, take half a million people out (Chinese students).
Umm. Where to begin.
Yes, in many respects we want it to die. In its current form. Because it plays a large part in creating *everything Trump spends all his time trying to destroy or reduce*. Ahemm.
But it won't die (that's idiotic) because of course it won't. It seems to have existed and flourished prior to one PRC national becoming a student. Gee, I wonder if agriculture, hospitality, meat processing, and unskilled manufacturing will die if we enforce immigration law?
Umm. Where to begin.
Yes, in many respects we want it to die. In its current form. Because it plays a large part in creating *everything Trump spends all his time trying to destroy or reduce*. Ahemm.
But it won't die (that's idiotic) because of course it won't. It seems to have existed and flourished prior to one PRC national becoming a student. Gee, I wonder if agriculture, hospitality, meat processing, and unskilled manufacturing will die if we enforce immigration law?
Posted by: rhomboid at May 16, 2026 11:46 AM (U/Byj)
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But then the creatives directed all their leftover energy that wasn't needed for producing this simple minded pablum into constant political propaganda. And they have greatly overestimated the true value of their crap messaging. It has obtained negative value really.
I keep seeing stories about AI being used to make incompetence have the outward appearance of competence. Combined with DEI, it looks sort of, you know, civilization-ending.
If I were a campaign consultant, I would be very, very worried about my future employability.
I keep seeing stories about AI being used to make incompetence have the outward appearance of competence. Combined with DEI, it looks sort of, you know, civilization-ending.
If I were a campaign consultant, I would be very, very worried about my future employability.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 11:46 AM (Riz8t)
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Great, Hadrian!
Posted by: KT at May 16, 2026 11:46 AM (rdeQO)
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So far my opinion of AI is its fake stuff, not worthy of believing it
Posted by: Skip at May 16, 2026 11:48 AM (Ia/+0)
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Their friends don't like them.
Karol Markowicz: Face It, Jewish Liberals: You Have No Friends on the Left
Karol Markowicz: Face It, Jewish Liberals: You Have No Friends on the Left
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 16, 2026 11:48 AM (ndZc7)
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I should add that from what I can see, AI (the industry, not the tech), is actively building two of those pillars of socialism: scarcity and an associated managerial class.
Posted by: Part-time Thinker at May 16, 2026 11:49 AM (Wt18Q)
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We are literally under siege monthly with local officials trying to lipstick the pig that is a datacenter. Nobody locally wants it. The local politicos however have $$ incentives to screw the locals. It's a goddamn mess.
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What's the problem with a data center?
We are literally under siege monthly with local officials trying to lipstick the pig that is a datacenter. Nobody locally wants it. The local politicos however have $$ incentives to screw the locals. It's a goddamn mess.
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What's the problem with a data center?
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 11:49 AM (XJ22o)
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 11:51 AM (Riz8t)
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Today I Learned:
Gordon Liddy performed an FBI background check on her before marrying his wife. Presumably she had no skeletons in her closet or illicit payments to subversive organizations.
Gordon Liddy performed an FBI background check on her before marrying his wife. Presumably she had no skeletons in her closet or illicit payments to subversive organizations.
Posted by: Common Tater at May 16, 2026 11:53 AM (WXiAd)
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President Trump paling with the Chinese might be the worst idea he has had. They tried to kill us all with Covid in my opinion.
Posted by: Skip at May 16, 2026 11:53 AM (Ia/+0)
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But I also think it creates more leisure for engineering, exploration, science.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 11:53 AM (bss/y)
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How Data Center Alley Is Changing Northern Virginia
When data gets heavy in Loudoun County
https://tinyurl.com/4w43fzr6
When data gets heavy in Loudoun County
https://tinyurl.com/4w43fzr6
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 11:54 AM (Riz8t)
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Judicial Watch Sues for Records on $2 Billion Grant to Nonprofit Linked to Stacey Abrams
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Particular scrutiny will be used regarding payments to Waffle House.
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Particular scrutiny will be used regarding payments to Waffle House.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 16, 2026 11:54 AM (ndZc7)
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26 Fetterman Warns Democratic Base Is Growing More Anti-American
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Is that even possible?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 16, 2026 11:42 AM (ndZc7)
Welcome to the Party pal!
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Is that even possible?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 16, 2026 11:42 AM (ndZc7)
Welcome to the Party pal!
Posted by: John McLaine at May 16, 2026 11:54 AM (bss/y)
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I've said this before, I'll say it again: What is a threat at this stage is not what passes for "AI" (which is nothing deserving of the label), it's human stupidity that uses it as an excuse to do foolish or even vile things.
Posted by: Brother Tim, still standing at May 16, 2026 11:57 AM (N5734)
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I keep seeing stories about AI being used to make incompetence have the outward appearance of competence. Combined with DEI, it looks sort of, you know, civilization-ending.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug
It's not going to remove a lot of work in the intermediate; everything it spits out has to be rechecked. It may end up being only useful in discrete applications. The thing is that we're in a kind of anxious state because people insist it's the new arms race. Those that don't jump in will be left behind, but, at the same time, there's a potential for catastrophe for those that do jump in.
Something to remember: this just the first iteration of AI. The next could be greatly advantageous or intensely destructive. No one knows.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug
It's not going to remove a lot of work in the intermediate; everything it spits out has to be rechecked. It may end up being only useful in discrete applications. The thing is that we're in a kind of anxious state because people insist it's the new arms race. Those that don't jump in will be left behind, but, at the same time, there's a potential for catastrophe for those that do jump in.
Something to remember: this just the first iteration of AI. The next could be greatly advantageous or intensely destructive. No one knows.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2026 11:58 AM (diia5)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at May 16, 2026 11:58 AM (ndZc7)
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Boy not much gets by Fetterman, does it. Sharp cookie.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 16, 2026 11:59 AM (U/Byj)
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Something to remember: this just the first iteration of AI. The next could be greatly advantageous or intensely destructive. No one knows.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2026 11:58 AM (diia5)
I'm praying for SkyNet. When we get the alerts that the ICBMs are flying I'm going to laugh my ass off until I get vaporized.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2026 11:58 AM (diia5)
I'm praying for SkyNet. When we get the alerts that the ICBMs are flying I'm going to laugh my ass off until I get vaporized.
Posted by: No more AI slop! at May 16, 2026 11:59 AM (TbWk/)
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I've said this before, I'll say it again: What is a threat at this stage is not what passes for "AI" (which is nothing deserving of the label), it's human stupidity that uses it as an excuse to do foolish or even vile things.
That's just silly. It will be used exclusively for good.
https://tinyurl.com/4dvn7bmf
That's just silly. It will be used exclusively for good.
https://tinyurl.com/4dvn7bmf
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:00 PM (Riz8t)
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AI, like the internet, is for porn.
Why you think AI was born? PORN PORN PORN!!!
Why you think AI was born? PORN PORN PORN!!!
Posted by: Trekkie Monster at May 16, 2026 12:01 PM (TbWk/)
Posted by: Anal Invasion at May 16, 2026 12:01 PM (QGJ7D)
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Primary commercial purpose of AInis to Hoover up anything on everybody to justify jacking your interest and insurance rates, and get a penny for each 'personal' ad directed at you.
That is all.
Sorry, derivative art and animation is so... derivative. Which means boring as two earth worms fucking and almost as glorious.
That is all.
Sorry, derivative art and animation is so... derivative. Which means boring as two earth worms fucking and almost as glorious.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 16, 2026 12:01 PM (/lPRQ)
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AI will help smart folks be smarter and will make dumb folks dumber.
I think you may be on to something.
I think you may be on to something.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:02 PM (Riz8t)
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> What's the problem with a data center?
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In the county one is proposed to go there is currently insufficient water for the existing residents, the power grid would have to be expanded, bigly, and the potential tax incentive for the county would be deferred for a decade (the center gets free water, electricity and pays no taxes for a decade.)
That, in a nutshell, is the problem.
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In the county one is proposed to go there is currently insufficient water for the existing residents, the power grid would have to be expanded, bigly, and the potential tax incentive for the county would be deferred for a decade (the center gets free water, electricity and pays no taxes for a decade.)
That, in a nutshell, is the problem.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2026 12:02 PM (jehhT)
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We are literally under siege monthly with local officials trying to lipstick the pig that is a datacenter. Nobody locally wants it. The local politicos however have $$ incentives to screw the locals. It's a goddamn mess.
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What's the problem with a data center?
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 11:49 AM (XJ22o)
Wildly huge power user who doesn't tend to pay for that usage that hurts homeowners...
We are literally under siege monthly with local officials trying to lipstick the pig that is a datacenter. Nobody locally wants it. The local politicos however have $$ incentives to screw the locals. It's a goddamn mess.
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What's the problem with a data center?
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 11:49 AM (XJ22o)
Wildly huge power user who doesn't tend to pay for that usage that hurts homeowners...
Posted by: Nova Local at May 16, 2026 12:02 PM (tOcjL)
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Skip
Fauci and the inner Deep State tried to kneecap China. Very similar to Hillary kneecapping the EU by getting rid of Gaddafi.
The virus was expected to leak, and the lab was moved to China deliberately.
Mass travel of infected Chinese to Italy was the first response by China. Then Fentanyl and precursors were the further Chinese reaction.
Fauci and the inner Deep State tried to kneecap China. Very similar to Hillary kneecapping the EU by getting rid of Gaddafi.
The virus was expected to leak, and the lab was moved to China deliberately.
Mass travel of infected Chinese to Italy was the first response by China. Then Fentanyl and precursors were the further Chinese reaction.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 16, 2026 12:03 PM (u82oZ)
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Sorry, derivative art and animation is so... derivative. Which means boring as two earth worms fucking and almost as glorious.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 16, 2026 12:01 PM (/lPRQ)
But the earthworms will have really big tits.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 16, 2026 12:01 PM (/lPRQ)
But the earthworms will have really big tits.
Posted by: I mean, that's something at May 16, 2026 12:04 PM (TbWk/)
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The Butlerian Jihad awaits.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 16, 2026 12:04 PM (Apzx6)
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How Data Center Alley Is Changing Northern Virginia
When data gets heavy in Loudoun County
https://tinyurl.com/4w43fzr6
Posted by: Archimedes
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An interesting skim that suggests problems can be avoided through good planning (I know I know, as if that's going to come from a government authority).
But here's the conclusion: we can't get rid of these things "unless online shopping, streaming, social media, digitized archives, search engines, AI, and most online activity cease to be a part of contemporary life."
So, better figure out how to take advantage of them. For a start, the tax benefits are significant.
How Data Center Alley Is Changing Northern Virginia
When data gets heavy in Loudoun County
https://tinyurl.com/4w43fzr6
Posted by: Archimedes
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An interesting skim that suggests problems can be avoided through good planning (I know I know, as if that's going to come from a government authority).
But here's the conclusion: we can't get rid of these things "unless online shopping, streaming, social media, digitized archives, search engines, AI, and most online activity cease to be a part of contemporary life."
So, better figure out how to take advantage of them. For a start, the tax benefits are significant.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:04 PM (XJ22o)
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Okay, I overstated my first bullet in #24. Data centers don't pay for almost all of the county budget, but it's sure a big chunk. Would the average person swap a lower power and water bill for the higher taxes needed to replace lost DC revenue? Color me skeptical.
Data centers generate roughly 38% of Loudoun County's General Fund revenue and account for nearly half of all property tax collections. The industry’s massive tax contributions—primarily driven by business tangible personal property taxes on computer equipment—help fund county services while keeping residential property tax rates significantly lower than neighboring jurisdictions
Data centers generate roughly 38% of Loudoun County's General Fund revenue and account for nearly half of all property tax collections. The industry’s massive tax contributions—primarily driven by business tangible personal property taxes on computer equipment—help fund county services while keeping residential property tax rates significantly lower than neighboring jurisdictions
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:05 PM (Riz8t)
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Wildly huge power user who doesn't tend to pay for that usage that hurts homeowners...
Posted by: Nova Local
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Well, that's not what I'm reading. A new user of a significant chunk of power has to build up their own infrastructure, and the taxes they pay are huge.
Wildly huge power user who doesn't tend to pay for that usage that hurts homeowners...
Posted by: Nova Local
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Well, that's not what I'm reading. A new user of a significant chunk of power has to build up their own infrastructure, and the taxes they pay are huge.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:06 PM (XJ22o)
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Fauci and the inner Deep State tried to kneecap China. Very similar to Hillary kneecapping the EU by getting rid of Gaddafi.
The virus was expected to leak, and the lab was moved to China deliberately.
I've not heard that take before. Why would Fauci want to kneecap China? His politics suggest the opposite.
The virus was expected to leak, and the lab was moved to China deliberately.
I've not heard that take before. Why would Fauci want to kneecap China? His politics suggest the opposite.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:07 PM (Riz8t)
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But here's the conclusion: we can't get rid of these things "unless online shopping, streaming, social media, digitized archives, search engines, AI, and most online activity cease to be a part of contemporary life."
So, better figure out how to take advantage of them. For a start, the tax benefits are significant.
Yup. See my #24.
So, better figure out how to take advantage of them. For a start, the tax benefits are significant.
Yup. See my #24.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:07 PM (Riz8t)
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There will always be scarcity, all systems have limiting factors. Eventually, even in Star Trek, the limiting factor is the ability of humans to pay attention.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 16, 2026 12:08 PM (rbvCR)
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65 Okay, I overstated my first bullet in #24. Data centers don't pay for almost all of the county budget, but it's sure a big chunk. Would the average person swap a lower power and water bill for the higher taxes needed to replace lost DC revenue? Color me skeptical.
Data centers generate roughly 38% of Loudoun County's General Fund revenue and account for nearly half of all property tax collections. The industry’s massive tax contributions—primarily driven by business tangible personal property taxes on computer equipment—help fund county services while keeping residential property tax rates significantly lower than neighboring jurisdictions
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:05 PM (Riz8t)
You also have to ask - do those homeowners want possible blackout, decreased mandated energy usage, and other issues...and what about those energy buyers who DO NOT live in Loudon County so have all of the harms and none of the bennies.
Dominion Power doesn't have a Loudon County rate vs a Fairfax County rate vs an Arlington County rate...so you now have one county enforcing harms on another with no recourse...
Data centers generate roughly 38% of Loudoun County's General Fund revenue and account for nearly half of all property tax collections. The industry’s massive tax contributions—primarily driven by business tangible personal property taxes on computer equipment—help fund county services while keeping residential property tax rates significantly lower than neighboring jurisdictions
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:05 PM (Riz8t)
You also have to ask - do those homeowners want possible blackout, decreased mandated energy usage, and other issues...and what about those energy buyers who DO NOT live in Loudon County so have all of the harms and none of the bennies.
Dominion Power doesn't have a Loudon County rate vs a Fairfax County rate vs an Arlington County rate...so you now have one county enforcing harms on another with no recourse...
Posted by: Nova Local at May 16, 2026 12:08 PM (tOcjL)
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What's the problem with a data center?
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In the county one is proposed to go there is currently insufficient water for the existing residents, the power grid would have to be expanded, bigly, and the potential tax incentive for the county would be deferred for a decade (the center gets free water, electricity and pays no taxes for a decade.)
That, in a nutshell, is the problem.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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That's terrible planning. Why on earth would any government authority go along with those terms?
What's the problem with a data center?
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In the county one is proposed to go there is currently insufficient water for the existing residents, the power grid would have to be expanded, bigly, and the potential tax incentive for the county would be deferred for a decade (the center gets free water, electricity and pays no taxes for a decade.)
That, in a nutshell, is the problem.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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That's terrible planning. Why on earth would any government authority go along with those terms?
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:08 PM (XJ22o)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 16, 2026 12:08 PM (u82oZ)
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Dominion Power doesn't have a Loudon County rate vs a Fairfax County rate vs an Arlington County rate...so you now have one county enforcing harms on another with no recourse...
Good point.
Good point.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:10 PM (Riz8t)
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Archimedes
Fauci was the tool, not the director.
Who was the director? It isn't like Obama or Biden wanted to damage China.
Fauci was the tool, not the director.
Who was the director? It isn't like Obama or Biden wanted to damage China.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:11 PM (Riz8t)
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49 I've said this before, I'll say it again: What is a threat at this stage is not what passes for "AI" (which is nothing deserving of the label), it's human stupidity that uses it as an excuse to do foolish or even vile things.
Posted by: Brother Tim, still standing at May 16, 2026 11:57 AM (N5734)
This. What's hilarious is that people use it an a veneer of authority and neutrality. Dude, you cannot say AI told you this shit so I should believe it when I know which commie fuck taught the fucking garbage in garbage out model.
Posted by: Brother Tim, still standing at May 16, 2026 11:57 AM (N5734)
This. What's hilarious is that people use it an a veneer of authority and neutrality. Dude, you cannot say AI told you this shit so I should believe it when I know which commie fuck taught the fucking garbage in garbage out model.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 12:11 PM (bss/y)
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73 Dominion Power doesn't have a Loudon County rate vs a Fairfax County rate vs an Arlington County rate...so you now have one county enforcing harms on another with no recourse...
Good point.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:10 PM (Riz8t)
Yes, I expect this is the next era of lawsuit.
Good point.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:10 PM (Riz8t)
Yes, I expect this is the next era of lawsuit.
Posted by: Nova Local at May 16, 2026 12:11 PM (tOcjL)
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Blonde Mortixtl
Water usage is being diverted from Agriculture for data centers.
There is a big research push in chemistry right now for cooling fluids that do not depend on water. These will be much more expensive, of course.
All the concrete work is a major water suck input. So even construction has issues, let alone operating the data center.
Bottom line, not cost effective overall.
Water usage is being diverted from Agriculture for data centers.
There is a big research push in chemistry right now for cooling fluids that do not depend on water. These will be much more expensive, of course.
All the concrete work is a major water suck input. So even construction has issues, let alone operating the data center.
Bottom line, not cost effective overall.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 16, 2026 12:12 PM (u82oZ)
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The Data center boom should be familiar to everyone by now. We've seen boom and bust cycles for decades. They are going to overbuild and it will shrink as winners and losers get sorted. We may see a Moore's Law super-feat that greatly advances the computational power needed for AI, lessening the need for these monster sites. Just be aware that the CCP wholly intends to use what ever advance they make to harm the US. So, we are kind of locked into that arms race no matter what happens.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2026 12:13 PM (diia5)
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74 Archimedes
Fauci was the tool, not the director.
Who was the director? It isn't like Obama or Biden wanted to damage China.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:11 PM (Riz8t)
Fauci was protecting himself as well as the Chinese, I think. Because he knew if he spilled the beans on them, they'd spill the beans on him. So each side went with their own cover story and everyone got to do what they wanted with impunity. China liquidated some problem people, asshats here got to do all the wonderful technocratic things they wanted to do. (UBI, Vote cheating, population control.)
Fauci was the tool, not the director.
Who was the director? It isn't like Obama or Biden wanted to damage China.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:11 PM (Riz8t)
Fauci was protecting himself as well as the Chinese, I think. Because he knew if he spilled the beans on them, they'd spill the beans on him. So each side went with their own cover story and everyone got to do what they wanted with impunity. China liquidated some problem people, asshats here got to do all the wonderful technocratic things they wanted to do. (UBI, Vote cheating, population control.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 12:14 PM (bss/y)
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Take a look.
https://www.datacentermap.com/content/nova/
Posted by: Archimedes
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Those companies better be digging wells and laying their own power lines because that's a lotta data centers! But we use vast tracts of land for farming and mining, so...
Take a look.
https://www.datacentermap.com/content/nova/
Posted by: Archimedes
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Those companies better be digging wells and laying their own power lines because that's a lotta data centers! But we use vast tracts of land for farming and mining, so...
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:14 PM (XJ22o)
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The Data center boom should be familiar to everyone by now. We've seen boom and bust cycles for decades. They are going to overbuild and it will shrink as winners and losers get sorted.
More likely is they will follow the model of the fiber optic internet buildout. They will build excess capacity which will be underutilized for a bit, but then demand will catch up.
More likely is they will follow the model of the fiber optic internet buildout. They will build excess capacity which will be underutilized for a bit, but then demand will catch up.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:14 PM (Riz8t)
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What's the problem with a data center?
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 11:49 AM (XJ22o)
On the political front: the companies have more money and influence than the people that are supposedly electing the politicians - it is like having the megacasino move in promising lots of money that the government supposedly can get. It means the locals are now unimportant and can be steamrolled on anything the company wants
On the economic front: the boost by construction is temporary and probably will be carried by outsiders, paid to outsiders and leaves ghost towns of "worker housing" that will be filled with welfare tenants who then do what people with no jobs and money always do to small towns
On the resource front: water and electricity get sucked out of the system, and that will force prices higher for both
Further, I believe the datacenter push is the modern "skyscraper" curse, they will get half built as it is a business cycle that misallocates capital, and will collapse into an economic disaster leaving debt and abandoned construction sites that no one can recover
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 11:49 AM (XJ22o)
On the political front: the companies have more money and influence than the people that are supposedly electing the politicians - it is like having the megacasino move in promising lots of money that the government supposedly can get. It means the locals are now unimportant and can be steamrolled on anything the company wants
On the economic front: the boost by construction is temporary and probably will be carried by outsiders, paid to outsiders and leaves ghost towns of "worker housing" that will be filled with welfare tenants who then do what people with no jobs and money always do to small towns
On the resource front: water and electricity get sucked out of the system, and that will force prices higher for both
Further, I believe the datacenter push is the modern "skyscraper" curse, they will get half built as it is a business cycle that misallocates capital, and will collapse into an economic disaster leaving debt and abandoned construction sites that no one can recover
Posted by: Kindltot at May 16, 2026 12:15 PM (rbvCR)
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Actually, Fauci was our tool under our direct orders to release the Wuhan Red Death as a way to suppress the labor market while Dick Cheney blew up the levees in New Orleans so I could hire the unemployed masses at minimum wage, a shift meal and a uniform to work at our unregulated Koch Industries. Profit!
Posted by: Zombie Albert Speer, The Lost Koch Brother at May 16, 2026 12:15 PM (QGJ7D)
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>>>>>>>That's terrible planning. Why on earth would any government authority go along with those terms?
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl
*******
The white envelope was passed.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl
*******
The white envelope was passed.
Posted by: Cosda at May 16, 2026 12:15 PM (VNcOi)
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Archimedes
Obama and Biden's staff were Deep State operative.
The leadership of the WEF are not friends of China. China was in the way of their power. So that mess of WEF éminence grises is on brand for this analysis.
Obama and Biden's staff were Deep State operative.
The leadership of the WEF are not friends of China. China was in the way of their power. So that mess of WEF éminence grises is on brand for this analysis.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 16, 2026 12:16 PM (u82oZ)
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> That's terrible planning. Why on earth would any government authority go along with those terms?
Posted by: Blonde Mortixt
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Greed. They're being paid off. And promised a revenue stream (taxes) that will, after a decade, fill the county politicians pockets with more money.
There's zero incentives for the local population.
The push back has been pretty bold on both sides. FWIW, it's not the county I personally live in, but I'm literally a stones throw from it. The resources this DC would consume will likely affect me... either through rate increases or outages.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixt
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Greed. They're being paid off. And promised a revenue stream (taxes) that will, after a decade, fill the county politicians pockets with more money.
There's zero incentives for the local population.
The push back has been pretty bold on both sides. FWIW, it's not the county I personally live in, but I'm literally a stones throw from it. The resources this DC would consume will likely affect me... either through rate increases or outages.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2026 12:16 PM (jehhT)
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So each side went with their own cover story and everyone got to do what they wanted with impunity.
I think this is the real answer. Fauci was so arrogant he decided that the constraints placed on research that interested him were unreasonable, so he did an end-around.
I think this is the real answer. Fauci was so arrogant he decided that the constraints placed on research that interested him were unreasonable, so he did an end-around.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:16 PM (Riz8t)
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Further, I believe the datacenter push is the modern "skyscraper" curse, they will get half built as it is a business cycle that misallocates capital, and will collapse into an economic disaster leaving debt and abandoned construction sites that no one can recover
Posted by: Kindltot at May 16, 2026 12:15 PM (rbvCR)
Heh. The Chinese Ghost City model.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 16, 2026 12:15 PM (rbvCR)
Heh. The Chinese Ghost City model.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 12:16 PM (bss/y)
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I should also mention - Dominion Power serves Virginia and parts of North Carolina. So now one state is also placing harms on another state's residents, with that state getting no bennies, directly or indirectly.
This is why data centers have been encouraged to create their own power sources (and nuclear has been discussed). If it doesn't happen, this is going to spiral and spiral quickly...
This is why data centers have been encouraged to create their own power sources (and nuclear has been discussed). If it doesn't happen, this is going to spiral and spiral quickly...
Posted by: Nova Local at May 16, 2026 12:17 PM (tOcjL)
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It's not a datacenter, but Micron is building a huge chip processing plant in my AO. The demands of water, electricity and natural gas is enormous, and it is having an impact on supply. And it's still an ongoing construction project.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trumpy can do magic at May 16, 2026 12:18 PM (0aYVJ)
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Bottom line, not cost effective overall.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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For whom? If it's AWS and Skybox who are losing money at the outset, I've got no problem with it.
I read the article about water and power usage, and I get that's a problem, which SHOULD be preventable through decent planning. Which, I admit, is the incredibly weak link. If there's no way to maintain essential agriculture and a data center, there should be no question which one goes.
Bottom line, not cost effective overall.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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For whom? If it's AWS and Skybox who are losing money at the outset, I've got no problem with it.
I read the article about water and power usage, and I get that's a problem, which SHOULD be preventable through decent planning. Which, I admit, is the incredibly weak link. If there's no way to maintain essential agriculture and a data center, there should be no question which one goes.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:18 PM (XJ22o)
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Further, I believe the datacenter push is the modern "skyscraper" curse, they will get half built as it is a business cycle that misallocates capital, and will collapse into an economic disaster leaving debt and abandoned construction sites that no one can recover
Call us! We have a lot of experience in this area.
Call us! We have a lot of experience in this area.
Posted by: The CCP and Evergrande at May 16, 2026 12:19 PM (Riz8t)
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The Big Dummy didn't make the final cut of 6 males. That's disappointing, to say the least. I'm sure Her Majesty, TBD, his Ohio mom and his handler did everything right, but sometimes the judges are just obtuse.
The Big Dummy didn't make the final cut of 6 males. That's disappointing, to say the least. I'm sure Her Majesty, TBD, his Ohio mom and his handler did everything right, but sometimes the judges are just obtuse.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 16, 2026 12:19 PM (HdYcL)
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I think this is the real answer. Fauci was so arrogant he decided that the constraints placed on research that interested him were unreasonable, so he did an end-around.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:16 PM (Riz8t)
Exactly, and that is mirrored in a lot of his other stuff. The handling of AIDS or Covid is obvious tinker, dilettante kind of 'what if I do this' problem solving rather than rigorous actual, we identify, devise a course of action, then implement.
The constrait portion is obvious from the puppies. Now any human who is even partially adjusted would stop and think 'What benefits can we learn by doing this?' all the while viscerally recoiling from torturing animals. I would think any soul possessing human would think 'We can't do this. Nothing we could learn would be worth the stain.'
This fucker needs five in the back of the head (just to be sure.)
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:16 PM (Riz8t)
Exactly, and that is mirrored in a lot of his other stuff. The handling of AIDS or Covid is obvious tinker, dilettante kind of 'what if I do this' problem solving rather than rigorous actual, we identify, devise a course of action, then implement.
The constrait portion is obvious from the puppies. Now any human who is even partially adjusted would stop and think 'What benefits can we learn by doing this?' all the while viscerally recoiling from torturing animals. I would think any soul possessing human would think 'We can't do this. Nothing we could learn would be worth the stain.'
This fucker needs five in the back of the head (just to be sure.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 12:21 PM (bss/y)
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It's not a datacenter, but Micron is building a huge chip processing plant in my AO. The demands of water, electricity and natural gas is enormous, and it is having an impact on supply. And it's still an ongoing construction project.
Posted by: Pug Mahon
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Why isn't Micron obligated to build sufficient infrastructure for such an extraordinary demand on water and power?
It's not a datacenter, but Micron is building a huge chip processing plant in my AO. The demands of water, electricity and natural gas is enormous, and it is having an impact on supply. And it's still an ongoing construction project.
Posted by: Pug Mahon
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Why isn't Micron obligated to build sufficient infrastructure for such an extraordinary demand on water and power?
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:21 PM (XJ22o)
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More likely is they will follow the model of the fiber optic internet buildout. They will build excess capacity which will be underutilized for a bit, but then demand will catch up.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:14 PM (Riz8t)
The chip sets used in data centers have been described as "having a slightly longer use life than a sheet cake from Costco"
The chip advances are so fast, building a billion dollars worth of data centers means you have a billion dollars of obsolete equipment in five years. You better make your money back in that time and have enough investor belief that you can repeat that miracle in the next iteration.
It worked with electrical generation, and steam engines, they hope it will work this time as well
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:14 PM (Riz8t)
The chip sets used in data centers have been described as "having a slightly longer use life than a sheet cake from Costco"
The chip advances are so fast, building a billion dollars worth of data centers means you have a billion dollars of obsolete equipment in five years. You better make your money back in that time and have enough investor belief that you can repeat that miracle in the next iteration.
It worked with electrical generation, and steam engines, they hope it will work this time as well
Posted by: Kindltot at May 16, 2026 12:21 PM (rbvCR)
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Construction on the data center here is going full tilt boogie . I do question why tanker trucks are using city water supply and hauling it back to the data center.Ok , that was a joke.. I know why
Posted by: Ben Had at May 16, 2026 12:21 PM (z2aPa)
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The Big Dummy didn't make the final cut of 6 males. That's disappointing, to say the least. I'm sure Her Majesty, TBD, his Ohio mom and his handler did everything right, but sometimes the judges are just obtuse.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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Awww. Give The Big Dummy a treat for me.
The Big Dummy didn't make the final cut of 6 males. That's disappointing, to say the least. I'm sure Her Majesty, TBD, his Ohio mom and his handler did everything right, but sometimes the judges are just obtuse.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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Awww. Give The Big Dummy a treat for me.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:21 PM (XJ22o)
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That's terrible planning. Why on earth would any government authority go along with those terms?
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:08 PM (XJ22o)
The companies are stuffing the politicians' pockets full of money.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:08 PM (XJ22o)
The companies are stuffing the politicians' pockets full of money.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 16, 2026 12:22 PM (rbvCR)
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Blonde Mortixtl
Overall citizen economic costs is where the cost effectiveness fails. It does enrich insiders.
Impoverishing citizens to get better search engines and cheating on homework does not replace crops in the field and a robust mixed economy..
Overall citizen economic costs is where the cost effectiveness fails. It does enrich insiders.
Impoverishing citizens to get better search engines and cheating on homework does not replace crops in the field and a robust mixed economy..
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 16, 2026 12:22 PM (u82oZ)
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The new thing around here are energy storage facilities, aka battery farms. They want to build one at the site of a former Catholic HS about a mile and a half from me. Houses and an apartment complex are near by. At least four more have been proposed in my county. One built already had a fire in the county south of me. Look up Moss Landing. Not good to be near people
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 16, 2026 12:23 PM (gu0hJ)
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It worked with electrical generation, and steam engines, they hope it will work this time as well
Posted by: Kindltot at May 16, 2026 12:21 PM (rbvCR)
THIS is a good point. I built my current system in 2020 (to play games), top of the line then. I am now three video card generations behind the top of the line.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 16, 2026 12:21 PM (rbvCR)
THIS is a good point. I built my current system in 2020 (to play games), top of the line then. I am now three video card generations behind the top of the line.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 12:23 PM (bss/y)
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The chip sets used in data centers have been described as "having a slightly longer use life than a sheet cake from Costco"
The chip advances are so fast, building a billion dollars worth of data centers means you have a billion dollars of obsolete equipment in five years. You better make your money back in that time and have enough investor belief that you can repeat that miracle in the next iteration.
I don't doubt it, but it's like buying a laptop. If you say "I'll wait until the next big technical improvement happens", you'll never buy a laptop, because something else will always be on the horizon.
Replacing the chips inside a DC, while very expensive, will probably not require a new building, or more utilities, and that's what we're talking about (at least I am).
The chip advances are so fast, building a billion dollars worth of data centers means you have a billion dollars of obsolete equipment in five years. You better make your money back in that time and have enough investor belief that you can repeat that miracle in the next iteration.
I don't doubt it, but it's like buying a laptop. If you say "I'll wait until the next big technical improvement happens", you'll never buy a laptop, because something else will always be on the horizon.
Replacing the chips inside a DC, while very expensive, will probably not require a new building, or more utilities, and that's what we're talking about (at least I am).
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:24 PM (Riz8t)
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More likely is they will follow the model of the fiber optic internet buildout. They will build excess capacity which will be underutilized for a bit, but then demand will catch up.
Posted by: Archimedes
Yeah, that's why I wrote 'shrink.' It's not a Dutch tulip craze for sure.
Posted by: Archimedes
Yeah, that's why I wrote 'shrink.' It's not a Dutch tulip craze for sure.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2026 12:24 PM (diia5)
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The chip sets used in data centers have been described as "having a slightly longer use life than a sheet cake from Costco"
The chip advances are so fast, building a billion dollars worth of data centers means you have a billion dollars of obsolete equipment in five years.
Posted by: Kindltot
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This is both exciting and ominous. The speed of technological progress is great, it really is. One hopes that data centers are being designed with this in mind.
The chip sets used in data centers have been described as "having a slightly longer use life than a sheet cake from Costco"
The chip advances are so fast, building a billion dollars worth of data centers means you have a billion dollars of obsolete equipment in five years.
Posted by: Kindltot
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This is both exciting and ominous. The speed of technological progress is great, it really is. One hopes that data centers are being designed with this in mind.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:25 PM (XJ22o)
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This is both exciting and ominous. The speed of technological progress is great, it really is. One hopes that data centers are being designed with this in mind.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:25 PM (XJ22o)
Is it, or will the use of 'AI' flatten it? 'AI' is stupid. It can iterate, sure. But true innovation? No.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:25 PM (XJ22o)
Is it, or will the use of 'AI' flatten it? 'AI' is stupid. It can iterate, sure. But true innovation? No.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 12:26 PM (bss/y)
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This is both exciting and ominous. The speed of technological progress is great, it really is.
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But what are the Europeans doing?
*bites fingernails nervously*
This is both exciting and ominous. The speed of technological progress is great, it really is.
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But what are the Europeans doing?
*bites fingernails nervously*
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 16, 2026 12:26 PM (HdYcL)
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This is both exciting and ominous. The speed of technological progress is great, it really is. One hopes that data centers are being designed with this in mind.
Of course they are. There's nothing to worry about.
Of course they are. There's nothing to worry about.
Posted by: The Tyrell Corporation at May 16, 2026 12:27 PM (Riz8t)
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There is not one solar panel gracing the massive roof space of this data center.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 16, 2026 12:27 PM (z2aPa)
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That's terrible planning. Why on earth would any government authority go along with those terms?
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:08 PM (XJ22o)
The companies are stuffing the politicians' pockets full of money.
Posted by: Kindltot
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I know. My question was kinda rhetorical. If these things really are going to leave the locals in the lurch while stuffing the pockets of the decision-makers, then some local rebellions are in order.
That's terrible planning. Why on earth would any government authority go along with those terms?
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:08 PM (XJ22o)
The companies are stuffing the politicians' pockets full of money.
Posted by: Kindltot
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I know. My question was kinda rhetorical. If these things really are going to leave the locals in the lurch while stuffing the pockets of the decision-makers, then some local rebellions are in order.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:27 PM (XJ22o)
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99 That's terrible planning. Why on earth would any government authority go along with those terms?
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:08 PM (XJ22o)
The companies are stuffing the politicians' pockets full of money.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 16, 2026 12:22 PM (rbvCR)
And the politicians will be rich and then unaffected by all their decisions (b/c they'll move if they have to)...
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:08 PM (XJ22o)
The companies are stuffing the politicians' pockets full of money.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 16, 2026 12:22 PM (rbvCR)
And the politicians will be rich and then unaffected by all their decisions (b/c they'll move if they have to)...
Posted by: Nova Local at May 16, 2026 12:28 PM (tOcjL)
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But what are the Europeans doing?
*bites fingernails nervously*
The fact that I laughed and knew exactly what you were saying should be of deep, DEEP concern to the Euros.
*bites fingernails nervously*
The fact that I laughed and knew exactly what you were saying should be of deep, DEEP concern to the Euros.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:28 PM (Riz8t)
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109 There is not one solar panel gracing the massive roof space of this data center.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 16, 2026 12:27 PM (z2aPa)
Heh.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 16, 2026 12:27 PM (z2aPa)
Heh.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 12:28 PM (bss/y)
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Why do data centers need large amounts of water? Is the water being piped once-through for cooling and then immediately discarded? If so, don't they have cooling systems that transfer heat to the air?
Why do data centers need large amounts of water? Is the water being piped once-through for cooling and then immediately discarded? If so, don't they have cooling systems that transfer heat to the air?
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 16, 2026 12:28 PM (iTNuP)
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Hadrian the Seventh
The Europeans are moving to Singapore, the US, Israel, or Dubai for research.
The EU governments are forcing creative people out, and using the money for research to pay for inbred dummies with only social contagion on the invader's minds.
The Europeans are moving to Singapore, the US, Israel, or Dubai for research.
The EU governments are forcing creative people out, and using the money for research to pay for inbred dummies with only social contagion on the invader's minds.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 16, 2026 12:29 PM (u82oZ)
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I'd be a lot more open to defending human journalists over AI if just five percent of the pompous jerks who swan around as semi-royalty could find their own ass with both hands.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 16, 2026 12:29 PM (6C3mT)
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If so, don't they have cooling systems that transfer heat to the air?
You are clearly unfamiliar with NoVa in August.
You are clearly unfamiliar with NoVa in August.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:29 PM (Riz8t)
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Why isn't Micron obligated to build sufficient infrastructure for such an extraordinary demand on water and power?
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:21 PM (XJ22o)
They are footing the bill, of course, but the supply of all of that is finite, and it's already having an impact on the surrounding areas. Water, in particular, is a vital resource in Idaho. I work for a company that does a lot of civil engineering and land survey of the numerous infrastructure projects that will supply the plant. The scope is crazy huge, and while the plant will be a good thing for jobs, etc., it really is having a huge impact even before the expansion is complete.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:21 PM (XJ22o)
They are footing the bill, of course, but the supply of all of that is finite, and it's already having an impact on the surrounding areas. Water, in particular, is a vital resource in Idaho. I work for a company that does a lot of civil engineering and land survey of the numerous infrastructure projects that will supply the plant. The scope is crazy huge, and while the plant will be a good thing for jobs, etc., it really is having a huge impact even before the expansion is complete.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trumpy can do magic at May 16, 2026 12:30 PM (0aYVJ)
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It can be lunch time
Posted by: Skip at May 16, 2026 12:31 PM (Ia/+0)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 12:31 PM (bss/y)
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The Europeans are moving to Singapore, the US, Israel, or Dubai for research.
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Look at the Americans leaving for Europe. Deadweight moving there for freebies. For every one of them, there's at least one European leaving because they can't achieve anything there.
The Europeans are moving to Singapore, the US, Israel, or Dubai for research.
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Look at the Americans leaving for Europe. Deadweight moving there for freebies. For every one of them, there's at least one European leaving because they can't achieve anything there.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 16, 2026 12:31 PM (HdYcL)
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Impoverishing citizens to get better search engines and cheating on homework does not replace crops in the field and a robust mixed economy..
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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SALTY, didja read the content? It's possible that we could have developed treatments for MRSA and S. aureas without AI, but getting there faster is doubtless saving lives. I've read of other AI-generated cures and treatments. It's not all cheating on homework.
Impoverishing citizens to get better search engines and cheating on homework does not replace crops in the field and a robust mixed economy..
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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SALTY, didja read the content? It's possible that we could have developed treatments for MRSA and S. aureas without AI, but getting there faster is doubtless saving lives. I've read of other AI-generated cures and treatments. It's not all cheating on homework.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:31 PM (XJ22o)
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OT: but there is an ULTRA El Nino on the way!
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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w00t! I secretly love El Ninos. It's the only time we get actual WEATHER in SoCal.
OT: but there is an ULTRA El Nino on the way!
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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w00t! I secretly love El Ninos. It's the only time we get actual WEATHER in SoCal.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:32 PM (XJ22o)
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Economics is a measure of theft. Growth? Loss? You can always be wrong and their are no repercussions. Give that man a peace prize.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at May 16, 2026 12:33 PM (D1E+2)
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w00t! I secretly love El Ninos. It's the only time we get actual WEATHER in SoCal.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:32 PM (XJ22o)
But... the thumbnail said you're supposed to be scared...
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:32 PM (XJ22o)
But... the thumbnail said you're supposed to be scared...
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 12:33 PM (bss/y)
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This is both exciting and ominous. The speed of technological progress is great, it really is. One hopes that data centers are being designed with this in mind.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:25 PM (XJ22o)
They are not being built with this in mind. They are being built with the cheap interest loans in mind. I lived contingent to construction contracting until 2012 and the problem was never that there wasn't a demand for houses and commercial building, it was that there was funding available and investors willing to fund projects based on what they were owed for past projects that they were expecting to be paid off until the supply of workers got stretched thin, projects slowed down and hired not-competent crews for completion, then the funding started drying up and the whole thing collapsed. Crappy overpriced housing that the county and city thought perfect for subsidized housing. Then the lawsuits started as everyone went banko except the big finance people who took their money home.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:25 PM (XJ22o)
They are not being built with this in mind. They are being built with the cheap interest loans in mind. I lived contingent to construction contracting until 2012 and the problem was never that there wasn't a demand for houses and commercial building, it was that there was funding available and investors willing to fund projects based on what they were owed for past projects that they were expecting to be paid off until the supply of workers got stretched thin, projects slowed down and hired not-competent crews for completion, then the funding started drying up and the whole thing collapsed. Crappy overpriced housing that the county and city thought perfect for subsidized housing. Then the lawsuits started as everyone went banko except the big finance people who took their money home.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 16, 2026 12:34 PM (rbvCR)
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I'm just hoping for an absolute crash in the costs for NVMe, SSD, and components in general in the 2027-2028 timeframe. I will buy a new case and graphics card for my current mboard replacing one hard drive with a big honkin SSD and maybe upgrade the NVMe. It's a 2018 Z390 with an i9-9900k. I can't afford anything new till well after 2030 probably. But I think things will start crashing 27-28. I can upgrade the graphics card and get a decent boost even though it is still only pcie 3. Graphics card cost should plummet too.
That's my plan at least.
That's my plan at least.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 16, 2026 12:35 PM (3uBP9)
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:36 PM (Riz8t)
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The vision of near zero cost production via robotics and AI necessarily an equally near zero cost of energy and raw materials, a prospect that I find unlikely, unless you believe in matter/energy replicators.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 12:37 PM (4NO2D)
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Posted by: Kindltot at May 16, 2026 12:34 PM (rbvCR)
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Acknowledged, that is a nightmare.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 16, 2026 12:34 PM (rbvCR)
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Acknowledged, that is a nightmare.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:38 PM (XJ22o)
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Why should I or anyone pay Any attention to so-called scribes or so-called journalists? Let alone AI? The only thing any of them has done is lie to us, blowing smoke up our rears.
Posted by: Kafiroon at May 16, 2026 12:41 PM (IzMux)
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Alright, which one of you maniacs crossed Blonde Morticia with an Axolotl?
Posted by: Archimedes
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I arise from Tenochtitlan, worshiper of Huitzilopochtli!!
Alright, which one of you maniacs crossed Blonde Morticia with an Axolotl?
Posted by: Archimedes
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I arise from Tenochtitlan, worshiper of Huitzilopochtli!!
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:41 PM (XJ22o)
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Why do data centers need large amounts of water? Is the water being piped once-through for cooling and then immediately discarded? If so, don't they have cooling systems that transfer heat to the air?
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug
My understanding is that the amount of water that isn't evaporated is returned to the water supply as greywater that has to be processed, and the goal is to build the newer centers with closed-loop systems that do not require large amounts of 'new' water.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug
My understanding is that the amount of water that isn't evaporated is returned to the water supply as greywater that has to be processed, and the goal is to build the newer centers with closed-loop systems that do not require large amounts of 'new' water.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 16, 2026 12:43 PM (diia5)
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Honest answer AI is making me better at my job, at least in the short term. The problem is that instead of learning things I'm learning how to tell AI to do them.
And you still have to look at what it is doing, but as opposed to working on 1 task at a time, I find now I can manage it working on 3.
And you still have to look at what it is doing, but as opposed to working on 1 task at a time, I find now I can manage it working on 3.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 16, 2026 12:44 PM (sKqQm)
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My understanding is that the amount of water that isn't evaporated is returned to the water supply as greywater that has to be processed, and the goal is to build the newer centers with closed-loop systems that do not require large amounts of 'new' water.
The goal is large scale manatee farming in NoVa.
The goal is large scale manatee farming in NoVa.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:44 PM (Riz8t)
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Dumb question. Would freon work as a cooling system?
Posted by: Ben Had at May 16, 2026 12:45 PM (z2aPa)
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My understanding is that the amount of water that isn't evaporated is returned to the water supply as greywater that has to be processed, and the goal is to build the newer centers with closed-loop systems that do not require large amounts of 'new' water.
Posted by: weft cut-loop
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Also these new coolants being developed.
The issue of water consumption looks serious to me, as Pug noted @118.
Nuclear power for these centers seems like the best option.
My understanding is that the amount of water that isn't evaporated is returned to the water supply as greywater that has to be processed, and the goal is to build the newer centers with closed-loop systems that do not require large amounts of 'new' water.
Posted by: weft cut-loop
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Also these new coolants being developed.
The issue of water consumption looks serious to me, as Pug noted @118.
Nuclear power for these centers seems like the best option.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:45 PM (XJ22o)
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We are the priests of the temples of Syrinx.
Posted by: The Priests of the Temples of Syrinx at May 16, 2026 12:45 PM (fpvB5)
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Battery Farm today, toxic waste dump in 20 years
Posted by: Skip at May 16, 2026 12:46 PM (Ia/+0)
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You have to give pause to the people who rail against EV's and how they couldn't possibly replace ICE vehicles if the existing power grid isn't expanded, yet are quiet when it comes to data centers and the power requirements they have.
I mean, if it's an issue for one, it's an issue for the other isn't it?
I mean, if it's an issue for one, it's an issue for the other isn't it?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2026 12:47 PM (jehhT)
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Dumb question. Would freon work as a cooling system?
Not really. It would take more power to run the compressor. Freon cools as it expands from the compressor, and then absorbs heat from the local surroundings, which is then emitted to the outside. However there is net creation of heat and consumption of power.
Not really. It would take more power to run the compressor. Freon cools as it expands from the compressor, and then absorbs heat from the local surroundings, which is then emitted to the outside. However there is net creation of heat and consumption of power.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:48 PM (Riz8t)
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Hot water is a pollutant because of reduced oxygen solubility. You can't just dump it into waterways, you'd kill all the fish. And lots of water is needed for heat transfer. Synthetic coolants are enormously more expensive.
Posted by: Shen Nan I Gan at May 16, 2026 12:49 PM (fpps3)
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I mean, if it's an issue for one, it's an issue for the other isn't it?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2026 12:47 PM
Similar I guess, but one is a problem of generation while the other is a problem of both generation and distribution. One could, in theory, put the Datacenter powerplant at the datacenter. Can't put a powerplant in my garage.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2026 12:47 PM
Similar I guess, but one is a problem of generation while the other is a problem of both generation and distribution. One could, in theory, put the Datacenter powerplant at the datacenter. Can't put a powerplant in my garage.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 12:50 PM (4NO2D)
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Hot water is a pollutant because of reduced oxygen solubility. You can't just dump it into waterways, you'd kill all the fish.
Then how do you explain sunfish?
Then how do you explain sunfish?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:50 PM (Riz8t)
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Honest answer AI is making me better at my job, at least in the short term. The problem is that instead of learning things I'm learning how to tell AI to do them.
And you still have to look at what it is doing, but as opposed to working on 1 task at a time, I find now I can manage it working on 3.
Posted by: 18-1
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Absolutely. I can edit a formula to include a new field and tease out all the levels of nesting and still miss a curly bracket or misplace a semicolon and have to do it all over again, or just let AI get it right in 2 seconds. AI is on a continuum that includes calculators and spellcheckers. Or should I say spell Czech hers, but still...
Honest answer AI is making me better at my job, at least in the short term. The problem is that instead of learning things I'm learning how to tell AI to do them.
And you still have to look at what it is doing, but as opposed to working on 1 task at a time, I find now I can manage it working on 3.
Posted by: 18-1
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Absolutely. I can edit a formula to include a new field and tease out all the levels of nesting and still miss a curly bracket or misplace a semicolon and have to do it all over again, or just let AI get it right in 2 seconds. AI is on a continuum that includes calculators and spellcheckers. Or should I say spell Czech hers, but still...
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:51 PM (XJ22o)
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Why cant we use salt water for AI cooling?
Yes you have to set it up so a smaller amount of fresh water exchanges heat with the larger salt water because salt water will corrode electronics, but I assume you can reduce the amount of fresh water used, and replace the cheaper mechanical components as needed at minimal cost
Yes you have to set it up so a smaller amount of fresh water exchanges heat with the larger salt water because salt water will corrode electronics, but I assume you can reduce the amount of fresh water used, and replace the cheaper mechanical components as needed at minimal cost
Posted by: 18-1 at May 16, 2026 12:51 PM (sKqQm)
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Why cant we use salt water for AI cooling?
Yes you have to set it up so a smaller amount of fresh water exchanges heat with the larger salt water because salt water will corrode electronics, but I assume you can reduce the amount of fresh water used, and replace the cheaper mechanical components as needed at minimal cost
This raises another question: why are they building DCs on such valuable land near DC? What is the transmission length, and does that determine how close the DC has to be to wherever?
Yes you have to set it up so a smaller amount of fresh water exchanges heat with the larger salt water because salt water will corrode electronics, but I assume you can reduce the amount of fresh water used, and replace the cheaper mechanical components as needed at minimal cost
This raises another question: why are they building DCs on such valuable land near DC? What is the transmission length, and does that determine how close the DC has to be to wherever?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:53 PM (Riz8t)
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Wasn't the possibility of putting data centers out in the ocean being floated?
Posted by: Ben Had at May 16, 2026 12:53 PM (z2aPa)
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Wasn't the possibility of putting data centers out in the ocean being floated?
Yup. Elon is looking at both marine and space-based DCs.
Yup. Elon is looking at both marine and space-based DCs.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:54 PM (Riz8t)
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Then how do you explain sunfish?
90-106F water isn't hot. Besides, not much good killing off everything that's not adapted to lower oxygen levels.
90-106F water isn't hot. Besides, not much good killing off everything that's not adapted to lower oxygen levels.
Posted by: Shen Nan I Gan at May 16, 2026 12:54 PM (fpps3)
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Wasn't the possibility of putting data centers out in the ocean being floated?
Posted by: Ben Had at May 16, 2026 12:53 PM
ISWYDT
Posted by: Ben Had at May 16, 2026 12:53 PM
ISWYDT
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 12:55 PM (4NO2D)
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148 Wasn't the possibility of putting data centers out in the ocean being floated?
Posted by: Ben Had at May 16, 2026 12:53 PM (z2aPa)
Also in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!
Posted by: Ben Had at May 16, 2026 12:53 PM (z2aPa)
Also in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 12:55 PM (bss/y)
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I would bet that heat would be a massive problem in a space based datacenter.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 12:55 PM (4NO2D)
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Then how do you explain sunfish?
90-106F water isn't hot. Besides, not much good killing off everything that's not adapted to lower oxygen levels.
Methinks you took a rather silly joke more seriously than was intended.
90-106F water isn't hot. Besides, not much good killing off everything that's not adapted to lower oxygen levels.
Methinks you took a rather silly joke more seriously than was intended.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:56 PM (Riz8t)
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Not a expert, but salt water eats most everything
Posted by: Skip at May 16, 2026 12:56 PM (Ia/+0)
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This raises another question: why are they building DCs on such valuable land near DC? What is the transmission length, and does that determine how close the DC has to be to wherever?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:53 PM (Riz8t)
Because that is where the politicians are. And they are stupid and corrupt and want the money for giving the land to the data centers.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:53 PM (Riz8t)
Because that is where the politicians are. And they are stupid and corrupt and want the money for giving the land to the data centers.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 12:56 PM (bss/y)
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Data center cooling is something Musk/Space X have toyed with. There's a proposal to put data centers in space. The power requirements are an issue, but I suppose if sized right, solar might work as the cooling would sort of take care of itself.
Or go nuclear.
Or go nuclear.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2026 12:57 PM (jehhT)
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Methinks you took a rather silly joke more seriously than was intended.
My bad! I don't want to be in hot water here
My bad! I don't want to be in hot water here
Posted by: Shen Nan I Gan at May 16, 2026 12:57 PM (fpps3)
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But what are the Europeans doing?
*bites fingernails nervously*
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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Hee hee.
But what are the Europeans doing?
*bites fingernails nervously*
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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Hee hee.
Posted by: Blonde Mortixtl at May 16, 2026 12:57 PM (XJ22o)
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153 I would bet that heat would be a massive problem in a space based datacenter.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 12:55 PM (4NO2D)
Yeah. Same with like a nuke generator.
I know, we'll use fans!
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 12:55 PM (4NO2D)
Yeah. Same with like a nuke generator.
I know, we'll use fans!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 12:57 PM (bss/y)
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I would bet that heat would be a massive problem in a space based datacenter.
Why? Radiative cooling and a very cold ambient should work wonders. I haven't run the numbers, but I imagine it's quite doable.
Why? Radiative cooling and a very cold ambient should work wonders. I haven't run the numbers, but I imagine it's quite doable.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:58 PM (Riz8t)
Posted by: Shen Nan I Gan at May 16, 2026 01:00 PM (fpps3)
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> This raises another question: why are they building DCs on such valuable land near DC? What is the transmission length, and does that determine how close the DC has to be to wherever?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:53 PM (Riz8t)
Because that is where the politicians are. And they are stupid and corrupt and want the money for giving the land to the data centers.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 12:56 PM (bss/y)
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The local politicos here see nothing but money when someone mentions "data center." They'll get a bribe for rezoning acres of prime farmland. They'll get a bribe for channeling the center cheap, subsidized power and water. They'll get a cut of the property and utility taxes when those kick in.
It's good to be a politico.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:53 PM (Riz8t)
Because that is where the politicians are. And they are stupid and corrupt and want the money for giving the land to the data centers.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 16, 2026 12:56 PM (bss/y)
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The local politicos here see nothing but money when someone mentions "data center." They'll get a bribe for rezoning acres of prime farmland. They'll get a bribe for channeling the center cheap, subsidized power and water. They'll get a cut of the property and utility taxes when those kick in.
It's good to be a politico.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2026 01:00 PM (jehhT)
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 01:02 PM (4NO2D)
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Forgot the particulars, but recently China got caught running a police station somewhere here, no doubt keeping control of spies and informants.
I want less Chinese here than more
I want less Chinese here than more
Posted by: Skip at May 16, 2026 01:02 PM (Ia/+0)
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Wasn't the possibility of putting data centers out in the ocean being floated?
Posted by: Ben Had at May 16, 2026 12:53 PM (z2aPa)
The sunk costs would be enormous.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 16, 2026 12:53 PM (z2aPa)
The sunk costs would be enormous.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 16, 2026 01:02 PM (1Ff7Z)
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Why? Radiative cooling and a very cold ambient should work wonders. I haven't run the numbers, but I imagine it's quite doable.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:58 PM
Without convective cooling, enormous radiators would be required.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 12:58 PM
Without convective cooling, enormous radiators would be required.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 01:03 PM (4NO2D)
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I will always cherish the memory of the young mom who serenely pushed her grocery cart snd child down the aisle - WITHOUT A MASK. This was in early days of Covid, when there were arrows on the grocery store floor.
Posted by: JM in Illinois at May 16, 2026 01:05 PM (SiGDV)
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> Forgot the particulars, but recently China got caught running a police station somewhere here, no doubt keeping control of spies and informants.
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There is, or was, a Naval Recruiting Station in California staffed entirely by Chinese nationals.
The "Chinese police station(s)" are in a number of cities. Purportedly.
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There is, or was, a Naval Recruiting Station in California staffed entirely by Chinese nationals.
The "Chinese police station(s)" are in a number of cities. Purportedly.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2026 01:06 PM (jehhT)
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looking at the ISS, the radiators are about half the size of the solar panels.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 01:06 PM (4NO2D)
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I haven't followed the whole AI thing (or much of anything else lately) as closely as I should, but I can't help wondering about the notion of the AIs 'hallucinating' or just making stuff up in some contexts. IIRC, part of training all these things involved LLMs that scraped all the text they could find in places like Internet Archive etc. So the models were 'learning' not only from factual sources but from a crudload of fiction as well. So...
Posted by: Just Some Guy at May 16, 2026 01:06 PM (q3u5l)
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Without convective cooling, enormous radiators would be required.
Understood, but the question is how enormous? They already do this for satellites and such, which admittedly use much less power.
I know! We use radiators the size of Mars and solve global warming by blocking out the sun. It can't miss!
Understood, but the question is how enormous? They already do this for satellites and such, which admittedly use much less power.
I know! We use radiators the size of Mars and solve global warming by blocking out the sun. It can't miss!
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 01:07 PM (Riz8t)
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Latest report of a spy station was in NYC just a couple of days ago
Posted by: Ben Had at May 16, 2026 01:07 PM (z2aPa)
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In engineering, hard engineering, I see a correlation between younger engineers, who often don't entirely understand what they're doing, and ai use.
Older engineers, who are used to mentoring younger people, and would only hand something off to another if they didn't have time to do it right themselves or because the younger need experience, mostly avoid ai.
But its use is inevitable, not because it is necessarily useful at this stage, but because management, who already don't understand engineering, will mandate its use as a cost saving. All the big integrated software houses, Siemens, Hexagon (or WTF they call themselves now), Dassault, they are all doing the hard sell on ai to the industry.
And management are always easy marks for these engineering software houses. Because they are ignoramuses. They think engineering is just a secondary roadblock to having all their magical unicorn fantasies fulfilled. And an ai will open the gates to their unicorns faster than the mean old engineers.
We're not there yet. But it is coming.
Older engineers, who are used to mentoring younger people, and would only hand something off to another if they didn't have time to do it right themselves or because the younger need experience, mostly avoid ai.
But its use is inevitable, not because it is necessarily useful at this stage, but because management, who already don't understand engineering, will mandate its use as a cost saving. All the big integrated software houses, Siemens, Hexagon (or WTF they call themselves now), Dassault, they are all doing the hard sell on ai to the industry.
And management are always easy marks for these engineering software houses. Because they are ignoramuses. They think engineering is just a secondary roadblock to having all their magical unicorn fantasies fulfilled. And an ai will open the gates to their unicorns faster than the mean old engineers.
We're not there yet. But it is coming.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 16, 2026 01:08 PM (3uBP9)
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So the counties, etc. get more property taxes. Do the residents get lowered taxes, or do the local "leaders" just have more money to spend on pet projects? Hmmm, which way would that possibly go?
Posted by: I really haven't settled on a nic at May 16, 2026 01:08 PM (rCPYx)
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So the counties, etc. get more property taxes. Do the residents get lowered taxes, or do the local "leaders" just have more money to spend on pet projects? Hmmm, which way would that possibly go?
Having watching local politics for a while, tax cuts are outside of the vocabulary of most politicos.
Having watching local politics for a while, tax cuts are outside of the vocabulary of most politicos.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 16, 2026 01:09 PM (sKqQm)
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Per grok, the ISS solar arrays product 190W per square meter of power.
Is that density adequate to power a space datacenter? Would you need miles of arrays?
Is that density adequate to power a space datacenter? Would you need miles of arrays?
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 01:10 PM (4NO2D)
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I love the modern age.
Radiators generally dissipate a few hundred watts per square meter (usually 300 to 460 W/m², depending on their operating temperature and materials.1 MW of IT load: Requires roughly \(1,200 \text{ m}^2\) if the radiator is highly efficient and operates optimally. More conservative estimates for standard spacecraft materials push this closer to \(3,000+\text{ m}^2\) per megawatt.A standard 50 MW data center: Cooling this would require roughly \(150,000 \text{ m}^2\) of radiator space (about 20 football fields), making massive centralized data centers in space completely unfeasible due to launch weight constraints.
2. Why the Size Varies So Much
The size of a space radiator is completely dependent on its operating temperature.Passive cooling requires the largest surface area. Every square meter of radiator will only reject a few hundred watts. Emitted thermal radiation scales exponentially with temperature (\(T^{4}\)). Running the cooling loop and hardware significantly hotter vastly shrinks the required surface area
(1 of 2)
Radiators generally dissipate a few hundred watts per square meter (usually 300 to 460 W/m²
, depending on their operating temperature and materials.1 MW of IT load: Requires roughly \(1,200 \text{ m}^2\) if the radiator is highly efficient and operates optimally. More conservative estimates for standard spacecraft materials push this closer to \(3,000+\text{ m}^2\) per megawatt.A standard 50 MW data center: Cooling this would require roughly \(150,000 \text{ m}^2\) of radiator space (about 20 football fields), making massive centralized data centers in space completely unfeasible due to launch weight constraints.
2. Why the Size Varies So Much
The size of a space radiator is completely dependent on its operating temperature.Passive cooling requires the largest surface area. Every square meter of radiator will only reject a few hundred watts. Emitted thermal radiation scales exponentially with temperature (\(T^{4}\)). Running the cooling loop and hardware significantly hotter vastly shrinks the required surface area
(1 of 2)
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 01:11 PM (Riz8t)
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Distributed satellites: Instead of building a 1 MW data center in one spot, companies deploy swarms of individual, distributed satellites.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 01:11 PM (Riz8t)
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There's a lot of talk about servers in space.
SPACE SERVERS
But I would imagine cooling is even more of an issue there. As is power. Not so much of a problem with space though. I think there might actually be more space in space than not space. Haven't confirmed that though, just a hunch.
SPACE SERVERS
But I would imagine cooling is even more of an issue there. As is power. Not so much of a problem with space though. I think there might actually be more space in space than not space. Haven't confirmed that though, just a hunch.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 16, 2026 01:11 PM (3uBP9)
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13 Two pretty big anti-terror successes. The kill mission against an ISIS big turban hiding in Nigeria, and arrest of an Iranian cut-out Iraqi "militia" guy involved in attacks in Europe and planning for same here.
One intriguing and puzzling thing in Patel's statement on the arrest. He thanks our "allies", "including Ambassador Tom Barrack". ?? He's the US ambo to Turkey. Unusual to see someone in that position involved in this sort of work. He's also not an "ally", of course. Whatever.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 16, 2026 11:33 AM (U/Byj)
Good catch! That sounds like a way to thank Turkey without explicitly admitting they were heavily involved. A certain amount of diplomacy involves people pretending not to know things that everyone knows, in order to avoid friction in useful relationships; but the bare minimum to allow that to work is to at least avoid saying it out loud in public.
One intriguing and puzzling thing in Patel's statement on the arrest. He thanks our "allies", "including Ambassador Tom Barrack". ?? He's the US ambo to Turkey. Unusual to see someone in that position involved in this sort of work. He's also not an "ally", of course. Whatever.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 16, 2026 11:33 AM (U/Byj)
Good catch! That sounds like a way to thank Turkey without explicitly admitting they were heavily involved. A certain amount of diplomacy involves people pretending not to know things that everyone knows, in order to avoid friction in useful relationships; but the bare minimum to allow that to work is to at least avoid saying it out loud in public.
Posted by: XiVotl at May 16, 2026 01:12 PM (Sy6m/)
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/off Aztec sock
Posted by: SciVo at May 16, 2026 01:12 PM (Sy6m/)
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True? Your thoughts?
I think this French guy wants to blame Americans for Woke, which in some sense is true as our universities and intellectuals all embraced it over the last few decades and the ideology was exported back to Europe and the rest of the world because of American influence.
What he neglects to mention is that all of this "Egalitie" is the byproduct of purely French radical Jacobin ideas of the 18th century. This ideology wasn't birthed in 1968, but 1789.
It isn't about "domination".
It's about unbridled political power based on envy and greed and the act of revenge against their class enemies.
Truth is never their objective.
The objective is always the revolution being used to take power.
I think this French guy wants to blame Americans for Woke, which in some sense is true as our universities and intellectuals all embraced it over the last few decades and the ideology was exported back to Europe and the rest of the world because of American influence.
What he neglects to mention is that all of this "Egalitie" is the byproduct of purely French radical Jacobin ideas of the 18th century. This ideology wasn't birthed in 1968, but 1789.
It isn't about "domination".
It's about unbridled political power based on envy and greed and the act of revenge against their class enemies.
Truth is never their objective.
The objective is always the revolution being used to take power.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at May 16, 2026 01:13 PM (6ydKt)
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I still really want to be a SPACE PLUMBER though. I don't know if SPACE SERVERS would need a bathroom. But if they do, I want to be their SPACE PLUMBER.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 16, 2026 01:13 PM (3uBP9)
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SpaceX’s Transporter program and similar reusable heavy-lift options offer the lowest rates, averaging $3,175/lb to LEO.
Would you want DCs in LEO? Or much further out to geosynchronous orbit?
Would you want DCs in LEO? Or much further out to geosynchronous orbit?
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 01:15 PM (4NO2D)
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Tje CCCP doesn't need to have offices in every major city, in fact 1 is too many.
Said ofter, 40 years ago no one was allowed to leave China, now
millions leave with the good grace of the CCCP. Whst changed?
All of a sudden China wants their citizens to live well and prosper?
Said ofter, 40 years ago no one was allowed to leave China, now
millions leave with the good grace of the CCCP. Whst changed?
All of a sudden China wants their citizens to live well and prosper?
Posted by: Skip at May 16, 2026 01:15 PM (Ia/+0)
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We should just invent computers that don't get so hot. Not sure why everything has to be so complicated.
Posted by: Weasel at May 16, 2026 01:17 PM (GNqmQ)
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"AI" (ChatGPT in particular) IS ASSHOE.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 16, 2026 01:17 PM (cWLG3)
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So the counties, etc. get more property taxes. Do the residents get lowered taxes, or do the local "leaders" just have more money to spend on pet projects? Hmmm, which way would that possibly go?
Peoples be needing teeths and Narcan to be succesfully and not be axing kwestions.
Peoples be needing teeths and Narcan to be succesfully and not be axing kwestions.
Posted by: Mayor Karen Bass at May 16, 2026 01:17 PM (QGJ7D)
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Every wave does this. Technology bifurcates the room. Adapters move up. Resisters get displaced. . .
Yesterday I used AI to do what would've been at least 4 hours of major refactoring on my code. (You always know what the architecture should have been after a few cycles of "do the thing -> the designers try it and figure out that what they told you to do was wrong -> rinse and repeat"). It took 3 minutes, everything was done to my exactly written specs, and it ran properly and passed validation afterwards. It's like word processing vs. quill pens if you can use it.
Yesterday I used AI to do what would've been at least 4 hours of major refactoring on my code. (You always know what the architecture should have been after a few cycles of "do the thing -> the designers try it and figure out that what they told you to do was wrong -> rinse and repeat"). It took 3 minutes, everything was done to my exactly written specs, and it ran properly and passed validation afterwards. It's like word processing vs. quill pens if you can use it.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 16, 2026 01:18 PM (QZThv)
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180 There's a lot of talk about servers in space.
SPACE SERVERS
But I would imagine cooling is even more of an issue there. As is power. Not so much of a problem with space though. I think there might actually be more space in space than not space. Haven't confirmed that though, just a hunch.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 16, 2026 01:11 PM (3uBP9)
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Great target practice for anti-satellite weapons!
SPACE SERVERS
But I would imagine cooling is even more of an issue there. As is power. Not so much of a problem with space though. I think there might actually be more space in space than not space. Haven't confirmed that though, just a hunch.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 16, 2026 01:11 PM (3uBP9)
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Great target practice for anti-satellite weapons!
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 16, 2026 01:18 PM (cWLG3)
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Wow! K.T. Thanks!
Sort of related, parents of the better/best K-12 schools trying to make a stand against tech 'consuming' their kids. (Equity becomes one roadblock.)
KSL News Radio, NATIONAL NEWS, May 13, 2026
Some parents don’t want their kids to use tech at school. But districts are pushing back. (By the Associated Press)
Sort of related, parents of the better/best K-12 schools trying to make a stand against tech 'consuming' their kids. (Equity becomes one roadblock.)
KSL News Radio, NATIONAL NEWS, May 13, 2026
Some parents don’t want their kids to use tech at school. But districts are pushing back. (By the Associated Press)
Posted by: L - No nic... at May 16, 2026 01:20 PM (NFX2v)
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>>> We should just invent computers that don't get so hot. Not sure why everything has to be so complicated.
Posted by: Weasel at May 16, 2026 01:17 PM (GNqmQ)
The Matrix computers were so cold they had to keep us peoples around to keep them warm and snug. But maybe that's just the sort of silly plot device you think up when you're couple tranny brained trannies.
Posted by: Weasel at May 16, 2026 01:17 PM (GNqmQ)
The Matrix computers were so cold they had to keep us peoples around to keep them warm and snug. But maybe that's just the sort of silly plot device you think up when you're couple tranny brained trannies.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 16, 2026 01:21 PM (3uBP9)
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Dont' trust Google. Google is asshoe!
Google Maps Just 'Unburned' the Pacific Palisades — and Infuriated Angelenos Noticed
https://tinyurl.com/yc82v5bv
Google Maps Just 'Unburned' the Pacific Palisades — and Infuriated Angelenos Noticed
https://tinyurl.com/yc82v5bv
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 01:22 PM (Riz8t)
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We should just invent computers that don't get so hot. Not sure why everything has to be so complicated.
We will, and it's being worked on. We're at the stage with AI that mainframes were in at in the 1950s where you had to have techs running around full time replacing failing vacuum tubes and balancing a checkbook took 100,000 watts. Not including the cooling system.
Back then brute force was much more acceptable. In the 30s there was a 500,000 watt AM station in Cleveland. At that power everyone with dental fillings or dinner forks with certain specific geometries could hear the station for free.
We will, and it's being worked on. We're at the stage with AI that mainframes were in at in the 1950s where you had to have techs running around full time replacing failing vacuum tubes and balancing a checkbook took 100,000 watts. Not including the cooling system.
Back then brute force was much more acceptable. In the 30s there was a 500,000 watt AM station in Cleveland. At that power everyone with dental fillings or dinner forks with certain specific geometries could hear the station for free.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 16, 2026 01:24 PM (QZThv)
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>>> Great target practice for anti-satellite weapons!
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 16, 2026 01:18 PM (cWLG3)
Protecting against anti-satellite weapons is just one of the many duties of your humble SPACE PLUMBER. There's actually a lot to the job, fighting most aliens, being damned sexy for the green chick aliens, defending against SPACE ATTACKS, clearing SPACE BLOCKAGES, billing,...
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 16, 2026 01:18 PM (cWLG3)
Protecting against anti-satellite weapons is just one of the many duties of your humble SPACE PLUMBER. There's actually a lot to the job, fighting most aliens, being damned sexy for the green chick aliens, defending against SPACE ATTACKS, clearing SPACE BLOCKAGES, billing,...
Posted by: banana Dream at May 16, 2026 01:26 PM (3uBP9)
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I want a giant steam powered wooden computer.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 01:26 PM (4NO2D)
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We are suffering from the ruinous competition of a rival who apparently works under conditions so far superior to our own for the production of light that he is flooding the domestic market with it at an incredibly low price; for the moment he appears, our sales cease, all the consumers turn to him, and a branch of French industry whose ramifications are innumerable is all at once reduced to complete stagnation. This rival, which is none other than the sun, is waging war on us so mercilessly we suspect he is being stirred up against us by perfidious Albion (excellent diplomacy nowadays!), particularly because he has for that haughty island a respect that he does not show for us.
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Posted by: SpeakingOf at May 16, 2026 01:27 PM (6ydKt)
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We ask you to be so good as to pass a law requiring the closing of all windows, dormers, skylights, inside and outside shutters, curtains, casements, bull's-eyes, deadlights, and blinds — in short, all openings, holes, chinks, and fissures through which the light of the sun is wont to enter houses, to the detriment of the fair industries with which, we are proud to say, we have endowed the country, a country that cannot, without betraying ingratitude, abandon us today to so unequal a combat.
Bastiat's Candlemaker's Petition:
http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html
Bastiat's Candlemaker's Petition:
http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html
Posted by: SpeakingOf at May 16, 2026 01:27 PM (6ydKt)
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I will bet a M2 or Vulcan cannon would be a great space weapon, although you are really back to the cooling problem with those.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 01:27 PM (4NO2D)
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“But several rellable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler's anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded.”
- NY Times, 1922 with previous “deeply reported” opinion
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So Hitler used antisemitism in the exact same way that the modern left uses racism?
- NY Times, 1922 with previous “deeply reported” opinion
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So Hitler used antisemitism in the exact same way that the modern left uses racism?
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at May 16, 2026 01:28 PM (THY4u)
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Just use glycol. It works. We had massive drive networks cooled by antifreeze running thru the DC bus. Sounds crazy but it works.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at May 16, 2026 01:28 PM (D1E+2)
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My PC sitting next to me on the floor has a CPU and GPU cooled by a liquid, closed loop system.
I imagine the concept can be scaled for "whatever." At some, yet to be established cost.
I imagine the concept can be scaled for "whatever." At some, yet to be established cost.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2026 01:29 PM (jehhT)
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195 We should just invent computers that don't get so hot. Not sure why everything has to be so complicated.
We will, and it's being worked on. We're at the stage with AI that mainframes were in at in the 1950s where you had to have techs running around full time replacing failing vacuum tubes and balancing a checkbook took 100,000 watts. Not including the cooling system.
Back then brute force was much more acceptable. In the 30s there was a 500,000 watt AM station in Cleveland. At that power everyone with dental fillings or dinner forks with certain specific geometries could hear the station for free.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 16, 2026 01:24 PM (QZThv)
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You just need dilithium crystals for the processing matrix. 🤓
We will, and it's being worked on. We're at the stage with AI that mainframes were in at in the 1950s where you had to have techs running around full time replacing failing vacuum tubes and balancing a checkbook took 100,000 watts. Not including the cooling system.
Back then brute force was much more acceptable. In the 30s there was a 500,000 watt AM station in Cleveland. At that power everyone with dental fillings or dinner forks with certain specific geometries could hear the station for free.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 16, 2026 01:24 PM (QZThv)
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You just need dilithium crystals for the processing matrix. 🤓
Posted by: Star Trek Nerd Supreme at May 16, 2026 01:29 PM (cWLG3)
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i could not get that music vid to stop, had to bail.
the three pillars of socialism is food for thought although i don't get how ai is removing any of them.
and only something as dumb as twisted self hating gay french brains could lead to wokeism. truth.
the three pillars of socialism is food for thought although i don't get how ai is removing any of them.
and only something as dumb as twisted self hating gay french brains could lead to wokeism. truth.
Posted by: cmeat at May 16, 2026 01:30 PM (R11M+)
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195 We should just invent computers that don't get so hot. Not sure why everything has to be so complicated.
I see that AOC has arrived.
I see that AOC has arrived.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 01:30 PM (Riz8t)
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Waterbased transistors. Ice chips, as it were.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 01:30 PM (4NO2D)
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200 I will bet a M2 or Vulcan cannon would be a great space weapon, although you are really back to the cooling problem with those.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 01:27 PM (4NO2D)
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It is rather cold in space, you know, as long as you're shielded from the Sun.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 01:27 PM (4NO2D)
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It is rather cold in space, you know, as long as you're shielded from the Sun.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 16, 2026 01:31 PM (cWLG3)
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Blonde Mortixtl
Chemical, biochemical and drug research have been using AI for over a decade. When tightly focused on solving real world problems, coupled with a robust database, AI is quite helpful. Many recent advances are due to AI assistance in chemistry.
As for the need for more generalized data centers, I believe we are overbuilding, and the value received will be less.
Chemical, biochemical and drug research have been using AI for over a decade. When tightly focused on solving real world problems, coupled with a robust database, AI is quite helpful. Many recent advances are due to AI assistance in chemistry.
As for the need for more generalized data centers, I believe we are overbuilding, and the value received will be less.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 16, 2026 01:32 PM (u82oZ)
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Space is a giant thermos bottle, neither hot nor cold.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 01:33 PM (4NO2D)
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Elegie 24 is a beautiful piece of music. I wrote lyrics to its main part many years ago.
Posted by: Dark Lixtiquatal at May 16, 2026 01:33 PM (W5mpo)
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"Places like Loudon Co. here in NoVa have practically their entire budget paid by taxes on DCs. Nobody complains about that."
I lived in Loudoun for 25 years (again in the news for a trans kid filming boys in bathrooms at a HS for THREE YEARS, and sending the films to "his" "online boyfriend". Up to 40 victims suspected), and the enviro-NGO-political arm of the Dems in hunt country pushed data centers like hell starting back with UUNet.
They wanted to keep their land "pristine", and jam up the icky suburbs with things that would bring business taxes but no people with cars and schoolkids.
The suburbanites hated it and still do, and it's bitten the fake enviros in the ass because they were so successful in creating the "internet capital of the world" that the centers are now expanding too close to their backyards.
I lived in Loudoun for 25 years (again in the news for a trans kid filming boys in bathrooms at a HS for THREE YEARS, and sending the films to "his" "online boyfriend". Up to 40 victims suspected), and the enviro-NGO-political arm of the Dems in hunt country pushed data centers like hell starting back with UUNet.
They wanted to keep their land "pristine", and jam up the icky suburbs with things that would bring business taxes but no people with cars and schoolkids.
The suburbanites hated it and still do, and it's bitten the fake enviros in the ass because they were so successful in creating the "internet capital of the world" that the centers are now expanding too close to their backyards.
Posted by: barbarausa at May 16, 2026 01:33 PM (enw9G)
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>>> My PC sitting next to me on the floor has a CPU and GPU cooled by a liquid, closed loop system.
I imagine the concept can be scaled for "whatever." At some, yet to be established cost.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2026 01:29 PM (jehhT)
You are heating the room it's in. You put a lot of those in a small volume and it doesn't work as well. You have a large overhead in the energy expended and liquid needed. The room I'm in has terrible cooling, my house's AC is actually not designed very well, and I can feel the room get warmer when I game on my liquid cooled pc.
I imagine the concept can be scaled for "whatever." At some, yet to be established cost.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 16, 2026 01:29 PM (jehhT)
You are heating the room it's in. You put a lot of those in a small volume and it doesn't work as well. You have a large overhead in the energy expended and liquid needed. The room I'm in has terrible cooling, my house's AC is actually not designed very well, and I can feel the room get warmer when I game on my liquid cooled pc.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 16, 2026 01:34 PM (3uBP9)
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Boy928 has a degree in chemistry, though he now works in software. I have no more than a rudimentary understanding of it, being a two time loser in 101Chem.
It's like sorcery to me.
It's like sorcery to me.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 01:34 PM (4NO2D)
Posted by: barbarausa at May 16, 2026 01:37 PM (enw9G)
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>>> Socialism is not an economic theory.
>>> It is a moral structure that needs three things to exist:
>>> 1. Scarcity to redistribute
>>> 2. Victims to defend
>>> 3. A class of intermediaries to orchestrate the whole thing
>>> Remove just one of these three pillars and the edifice collapses.
>>> AI is in the process of removing all three at the same time.
Quite the contrary. AI has the capacity to exacerbate all on an industrial, subject to human nature, of course. Which means it is destined to be so.
>>> It is a moral structure that needs three things to exist:
>>> 1. Scarcity to redistribute
>>> 2. Victims to defend
>>> 3. A class of intermediaries to orchestrate the whole thing
>>> Remove just one of these three pillars and the edifice collapses.
>>> AI is in the process of removing all three at the same time.
Quite the contrary. AI has the capacity to exacerbate all on an industrial, subject to human nature, of course. Which means it is destined to be so.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 16, 2026 01:38 PM (dK+Kv)
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Wasn't expecting this version of Faure' (sociologically)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKSvyVIi47U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKSvyVIi47U
Posted by: Dark Lixtiquatal at May 16, 2026 01:39 PM (W5mpo)
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They hanker for the scribe’s golden age, for a return to something like the scribe-dominated societies of ancient Egypt, China, and the Europe of the Middle Ages.
I work international construction, and thus have worked in remote areas of "lesser developed" (third-world) nations. There is a scribe culture there: there has to be, because these communities are largely illiterate. They need the scribes for the communications, the record-keeping, the rulings of their societies. Scribes are entrusted with all this, because there is no one else.
You want a culture which reveres the scribe? Then you are asking for a culture of illiteracy.
I work international construction, and thus have worked in remote areas of "lesser developed" (third-world) nations. There is a scribe culture there: there has to be, because these communities are largely illiterate. They need the scribes for the communications, the record-keeping, the rulings of their societies. Scribes are entrusted with all this, because there is no one else.
You want a culture which reveres the scribe? Then you are asking for a culture of illiteracy.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at May 16, 2026 01:41 PM (bufu1)
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Archimedes, the data center alley quotes the president of PEC.
They were the ones pushing data centers 25 years ago
They were the ones pushing data centers 25 years ago
Posted by: barbarausa at May 16, 2026 01:42 PM (enw9G)
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Garden nood!
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 16, 2026 01:47 PM (cWLG3)
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Take a look.
https://www.datacentermap.com/content/nova/
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 11:51 AM (Riz8t)
Wow, I used to live in the exact center of that big blob. Mostly farmland in 1985, but the first data centers were being built along Rt 28 while I was still in the area in 2018.
https://www.datacentermap.com/content/nova/
Posted by: Archimedes at May 16, 2026 11:51 AM (Riz8t)
Wow, I used to live in the exact center of that big blob. Mostly farmland in 1985, but the first data centers were being built along Rt 28 while I was still in the area in 2018.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at May 16, 2026 01:48 PM (w6EFb)
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Further down the French link
https://tinyurl.com/3sw2ar67
Even further down I liked this reply
Secular Protestantism then comes to preach that having the right ideas is what matters. It is a religion that demands little in the way of personal conduct. One can be rude to waiters BECAUSE you want to save the whales. Believing the correct things provides cover for all manner of personal misconduct.
https://tinyurl.com/3sw2ar67
Even further down I liked this reply
Secular Protestantism then comes to preach that having the right ideas is what matters. It is a religion that demands little in the way of personal conduct. One can be rude to waiters BECAUSE you want to save the whales. Believing the correct things provides cover for all manner of personal misconduct.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 01:50 PM (4NO2D)
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“But several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler's anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded.”
- NY Times, 1922 with previous “deeply reported” opinion
The Wannsee Conference, where it was agreed to fulfil Mein Kampf and eradicate the Jew from Europe, didn't happen until 1942. Goebbel's "big lie" had not yet been voiced. The NYT was clueless.
- NY Times, 1922 with previous “deeply reported” opinion
The Wannsee Conference, where it was agreed to fulfil Mein Kampf and eradicate the Jew from Europe, didn't happen until 1942. Goebbel's "big lie" had not yet been voiced. The NYT was clueless.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at May 16, 2026 01:50 PM (bufu1)
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In short, Gnosticism.
Posted by: toby928(c) at May 16, 2026 01:50 PM (4NO2D)
Posted by: Big Penguin at May 16, 2026 02:02 PM (0sNs1)
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Ace is always botvjin about no jobs for recent gender studies majors.
2 million graduated college last year
2000 gender studies majors 1000 of who jaf double majorsvudislly in premed/health care
2,000,000
1,000
Yeah let's blame those 1000 for being the primary reason so many recent grads can't get good jobs
2 million graduated college last year
2000 gender studies majors 1000 of who jaf double majorsvudislly in premed/health care
2,000,000
1,000
Yeah let's blame those 1000 for being the primary reason so many recent grads can't get good jobs
Posted by: Paul at May 16, 2026 02:03 PM (4SjXB)
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