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"Unprepared and Entitled:" Hiring Managers Aren't Impressed by the Products of American University Education
Our best and brightest don't know how to read, write, think, talk, or work.
Let's pay another ten trillion to our "universities."That last part is a killer. It's also why DEI hires/promotions are usually a disaster. Everyone infected with woke is also infected by the comorbidity of believing that all criticism/direction from your boss is a racial or sexual aggression, and that you're perfect the way you are, and that anyone who attempts to instruct you to do the job the right way is a racist who doesn't understand your Different Ways of Knowing. It's an evil and destructive doctrine -- it's a guarantee against any self-improvement at any point in your future. It's a talisman that protects you from excellence and achievement. And they've all got it.
A recent survey from Intelligent found that "1 in 4 hiring managers say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce" and "1 in 8 managers [are] planning to avoid hiring them in 2025." The main reasons for this are lack of preparation, a so-so work ethic, and a sense of entitlement among the grads, according to the survey. "24% of hiring managers believe recent college graduates are unprepared for the workforce, while 33% cite a lack of work ethic, and 29% view them as entitled," the survey found. "Additionally, 27% feel recent graduates are easily offended, and 25% say they don't respond well to feedback."
Maybe they have to show something other than GPA because all employers now know that colleges give everyone, even people who don't ever come to class, A's and B's with a skew towards the A's. Maybe students aren't alone in failure.
The survey results appear to mirror a trend found in recent headlines. A "2025 college graduate job market" search conducted by The College Fix produced the following headlines: "Class of 2025 College Grads Face Uncertain Job Market" "Job Market is Getting Tougher for College Graduates" "New Grads Struggling to Find Work in Job Market "No Hire, No Fire: The Worst Market for Grads in Years" ... He suggested grads tout their "skills and talent, not just a GPA" to "share what [they] are doing to continuously make [themselves] better."
On Sunday, the National Education Association -- which represents over 3 million teachers and school personnel -- passed a resolution at its annual conference pledging to combat what it labeled "Trump's embrace of fascism." The problem? The resolution repeatedly spelled the word "fascism" as "facism." The resolution read in part: "NEA pledges to defend democracy against Trump's embrace of facism [sic] by using the term facism [sic] in NEA materials to correctly characterize Donald Trump's program and actions." It went on to claim that opposing Trump was essential for "the survival of civilization itself" and demanded additional staff and funding -- to the tune of $3,500 -- to carry out the initiative. The misspelling, however, quickly overshadowed the message. Corey A. DeAngelis, a conservative education expert, blasted the NEA in an X post and follow-up opinion piece. "Yes, the union that claims to represent educators couldn't even spell 'fascism' correctly in its official resolution attacking the president," he wrote. "The irony is almost too rich to parody."
Back in November 2024, the Atlantic posted an article: "The Elite College Students Who Can't Read Books." The word "elite" seems wildly misplaced in that sentence.
The Elite College Students Who Can't Read Books
To read a book in college, it helps to have read a book in high school.
Nicholas Dames has taught Literature Humanities, Columbia University's required great-books course, since 1998. He loves the job, but it has changed. Over the past decade, students have become overwhelmed by the reading. College kids have never read everything they're assigned, of course, but this feels different. Dames's students now seem bewildered by the thought of finishing multiple books a semester. His colleagues have noticed the same problem. Many students no longer arrive at college--even at highly selective, elite colleges--prepared to read books. This development puzzled Dames until one day during the fall 2022 semester, when a first-year student came to his office hours to share how challenging she had found the early assignments. Lit Hum often requires students to read a book, sometimes a very long and dense one, in just a week or two. But the student told Dames that, at her public high school, she had never been required to read an entire book. She had been assigned excerpts, poetry, and news articles, but not a single book cover to cover. "My jaw dropped," Dames told me. The anecdote helped explain the change he was seeing in his students: It's not that they don't want to do the reading. It's that they don't know how. Middle and high schools have stopped asking them to.
... Twenty years ago, Dames's classes had no problem engaging in sophisticated discussions of Pride and Prejudice one week and Crime and Punishment the next. Now his students tell him up front that the reading load feels impossible. It's not just the frenetic pace; they struggle to attend to small details while keeping track of the overall plot. No comprehensive data exist on this trend, but the majority of the 33 professors I spoke with relayed similar experiences. Many had discussed the change at faculty meetings and in conversations with fellow instructors. Anthony Grafton, a Princeton historian, said his students arrive on campus with a narrower vocabulary and less understanding of language than they used to have. There are always students who "read insightfully and easily and write beautifully," he said, "but they are now more exceptions." Jack Chen, a Chinese-literature professor at the University of Virginia, finds his students "shutting down" when confronted with ideas they don't understand; they're less able to persist through a challenging text than they used to be. Daniel Shore, the chair of Georgetown's English department, told me that his students have trouble staying focused on even a sonnet. Failing to complete a 14-line poem without succumbing to distraction suggests one familiar explanation for the decline in reading aptitude: smartphones. Teenagers are constantly tempted by their devices, which inhibits their preparation for the rigors of college coursework--then they get to college, and the distractions keep flowing. "It's changed expectations about what's worthy of attention," Daniel Willingham, a psychologist at UVA, told me. "Being bored has become unnatural." Reading books, even for pleasure, can't compete with TikTok, Instagram, YouTube. In 1976, about 40 percent of high-school seniors said they had read at least six books for fun in the previous year, compared with 11.5 percent who hadn't read any. By 2022, those percentages had flipped.
This UConn student is completely illiterate, by her own admission.
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My youngest tells me that the other intern in their group this summer gets a lot of coaching on professional communication.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 01:22 PM (ExV1e)
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Posted by: RUReadingthis at July 14, 2025 01:22 PM (aQ25I)
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As a 45 year-old contractor within the DoD orbit, I see it every day, and I LOVE it.
All I have to be is 'mildly competent,' and I'm leaps and bounds better than these jackwagons. Actually begin good at my job just widens the chasm between me and my 'peers.'
I'm on time and properly dressed every day. I spend a solid 90% of my day at work actually DOING work.
Those two facts alone put me far, far in front of any competition for my position and for promotions, should I seek them.
All I have to be is 'mildly competent,' and I'm leaps and bounds better than these jackwagons. Actually begin good at my job just widens the chasm between me and my 'peers.'
I'm on time and properly dressed every day. I spend a solid 90% of my day at work actually DOING work.
Those two facts alone put me far, far in front of any competition for my position and for promotions, should I seek them.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 14, 2025 01:24 PM (fCgdX)
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The collapse of American education is actually the biggest story of the modern era. But it is little discussed.
In short: We are boned. Civilization is doomed.
"Students" these days learn absolutely nothing, and their brains are fried by social media and AI.
As adults, they will be utterly useless.
In short: We are boned. Civilization is doomed.
"Students" these days learn absolutely nothing, and their brains are fried by social media and AI.
As adults, they will be utterly useless.
Posted by: zombie at July 14, 2025 01:25 PM (pMi6S)
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My son works 50-65 hours per week (finance). He's in it until he gets F-U money or burns out, whichever comes first. He is a millennial. His masters is from a state school, however.
They aren't all slackers.
They aren't all slackers.
Posted by: Ann at July 14, 2025 01:26 PM (4neFu)
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It's okay, though.
Now we have ChatGPT to produce book summaries for students, so they can sound like they've read the book and maybe even feel they did get the gist of it.
Welcome to my nightmare.
Now we have ChatGPT to produce book summaries for students, so they can sound like they've read the book and maybe even feel they did get the gist of it.
Welcome to my nightmare.
Posted by: Dr. T at July 14, 2025 01:26 PM (mXn49)
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Can't even read cursive.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 14, 2025 01:26 PM (DJPFk)
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This started a long time ago. I was in a trade school in the 90s and we stopped class one day to teach basic math to a single student, I'm talking division and multiplication. he claimed teachers discouraged the students from reading.
Posted by: Are you sure about this sir? at July 14, 2025 01:26 PM (U/7CP)
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Affirmative Action Has Consequences
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:26 PM (Bi+MU)
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"This UConn student is completely illiterate, by her own admission."
Sorry, but I'm calling BIGGUS BULLSHITTUS on that. She seems reasonably articulate and intelligent in the video, and she's from Puerto Rico where English is an official language. I'll bet money this is an op or plea for attention.
Sorry, but I'm calling BIGGUS BULLSHITTUS on that. She seems reasonably articulate and intelligent in the video, and she's from Puerto Rico where English is an official language. I'll bet money this is an op or plea for attention.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 01:27 PM (iFTx/)
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Those two facts alone put me far, far in front of any competition for my position and for promotions, should I seek them.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 14, 2025 01:24 PM (fCgdX)
Heh.
Hehehehe.
hahahahHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!
....
Wait, you're serious?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 14, 2025 01:24 PM (fCgdX)
Heh.
Hehehehe.
hahahahHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!
....
Wait, you're serious?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2025 01:27 PM (VoAdT)
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Also, Computers and the Internet are the worst things that ever happened for Education.
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:27 PM (Bi+MU)
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Fascinating. Shows how much the Left loves abortion.
Normally they eradicate the "intellectuals" AFTER they take over, but now they're preventing them from even being formed!
Normally they eradicate the "intellectuals" AFTER they take over, but now they're preventing them from even being formed!
Posted by: Moron Analyst at July 14, 2025 01:27 PM (JCZqz)
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I don't have a pithy take on this other than
a) this will be used as the excuse to let in more H1B's and other immigrants to take white collar jobs
b) there is certainly a loss of institutional competency throughout education
c) a not unsubstantial part of this is driven by immigrants, many of whom come to the US and are put in classrooms for the first time in their lives as 12 year olds, where they don't speak English and are 8 years behind where their classmates are, which massively slows down education for everyone.
and
d) I remember these exact same articles being written when my generation (millennials) were graduating college.
a) this will be used as the excuse to let in more H1B's and other immigrants to take white collar jobs
b) there is certainly a loss of institutional competency throughout education
c) a not unsubstantial part of this is driven by immigrants, many of whom come to the US and are put in classrooms for the first time in their lives as 12 year olds, where they don't speak English and are 8 years behind where their classmates are, which massively slows down education for everyone.
and
d) I remember these exact same articles being written when my generation (millennials) were graduating college.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 01:28 PM (uCjyK)
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>>I'm on time and properly dressed every day. I spend a solid 90% of my day at work actually DOING work.
Only 10% on Ace and the Hub?
That's dedication.
Only 10% on Ace and the Hub?
That's dedication.
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:29 PM (Bi+MU)
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he claimed teachers discouraged the students from reading.
Plausible. Because students who will read on their own initiative might figure out that 1) (some) teachers are full of sh*t and 2) maybe they don't really need teachers at all.
Plausible. Because students who will read on their own initiative might figure out that 1) (some) teachers are full of sh*t and 2) maybe they don't really need teachers at all.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 14, 2025 01:29 PM (/y8xj)
Posted by: Some new college grad at July 14, 2025 01:30 PM (t0Rmr)
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Reading at college can be dangerous.
Remember by modern standards even most leftwing authors from the past are "far right wing extremist bigots".
Remember by modern standards even most leftwing authors from the past are "far right wing extremist bigots".
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:31 PM (t0Rmr)
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"Students" these days learn absolutely nothing, and their brains are fried by social media and AI.
As adults, they will be utterly useless.
Posted by: zombie at July 14, 2025 01:25 PM (pMi6S)
My Gen Z legal interns think I'm a dinosaur when I get mad at them for using ChatGPT for everything.
First off, ChatGPT sucks. Second off, I'm giving you this assignment because I want YOU to learn how to write a demand letter. I can do it myself it speed was the ultimate goal.
You're not going to learn by copy and pasting from ChatGPT.
But they all made it through college and law school using LLM's and Quimbee and other cheating methods, so here we are.
It's not great.
As adults, they will be utterly useless.
Posted by: zombie at July 14, 2025 01:25 PM (pMi6S)
My Gen Z legal interns think I'm a dinosaur when I get mad at them for using ChatGPT for everything.
First off, ChatGPT sucks. Second off, I'm giving you this assignment because I want YOU to learn how to write a demand letter. I can do it myself it speed was the ultimate goal.
You're not going to learn by copy and pasting from ChatGPT.
But they all made it through college and law school using LLM's and Quimbee and other cheating methods, so here we are.
It's not great.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 01:31 PM (uCjyK)
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Our best and brightest don't know how to read, write, think, talk, or work.
********
Case in point, J-school grads.
Local headline yesterday:
"How will [local college] foootball team fair this season.
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Case in point, J-school grads.
Local headline yesterday:
"How will [local college] foootball team fair this season.
Posted by: muldoon at July 14, 2025 01:32 PM (poXs5)
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Worse, they don’t “know people” or focus on making strategic friends.
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 14, 2025 01:32 PM (Pce4l)
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Competence is a Christian-fascist ideal.
And trying to do well is taking unfair advantage of those who can't. I wish we were both kidding but we aren't.
And trying to do well is taking unfair advantage of those who can't. I wish we were both kidding but we aren't.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 14, 2025 01:32 PM (/y8xj)
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I think that colleges always shit out a significant percentage of morons, slackers, and imbeciles. That's not new. What is new is that those MSI are no longer disappearing into the background after graduation. They're demanding high-powered jobs. And if the Biden era is any indication, at least some of them are getting them.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 01:32 PM (iFTx/)
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Too bad there's not a place on the interwebz where one could have a weekly discussion of all things books and writing...
Posted by: Oh, wait... at July 14, 2025 01:32 PM (bcy1V)
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Now we have ChatGPT to produce book summaries for students, so they can sound like they've read the book and maybe even feel they did get the gist of it.
Welcome to my nightmare.
Posted by: Dr. T
_________
They've always been available. Or at least well before the internet via Cliffsnotes. It's 100% the ease of availability through the smartphones.
Welcome to my nightmare.
Posted by: Dr. T
_________
They've always been available. Or at least well before the internet via Cliffsnotes. It's 100% the ease of availability through the smartphones.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at July 14, 2025 01:33 PM (p16cu)
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Let's not pretend that these little mouthbreathing homunculi would all turn into men and women of letters if they just paid a little more attention in class or had teachers who weren't all slinging dildoes around and cornholing anything that stops moving for three seconds.
It likely isn't so much that there's so many more mediocrities than there once were, so much as we're taking the same old mediocrities who knew better than to go to college in the first place, shoving a piece of construction paper with their name on it into their hand, inserting them feet first into the woodchipper of debt slavery, and saying "congratulations you're a college now".
It likely isn't so much that there's so many more mediocrities than there once were, so much as we're taking the same old mediocrities who knew better than to go to college in the first place, shoving a piece of construction paper with their name on it into their hand, inserting them feet first into the woodchipper of debt slavery, and saying "congratulations you're a college now".
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2025 01:33 PM (VoAdT)
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:33 PM (Bi+MU)
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F u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb!
Posted by: 1978 Subway Ad at July 14, 2025 01:33 PM (G5+As)
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son works 50-65 hours per week (finance). He's in it until he gets F-U money or burns out"
I have one who did that. He now does odd jobs "when he feels like it".
Has a nearly $500k house (no mortgage), nice truck, and a very nice set of various investments. Says he's tired of working with stupid people...
I have one who did that. He now does odd jobs "when he feels like it".
Has a nearly $500k house (no mortgage), nice truck, and a very nice set of various investments. Says he's tired of working with stupid people...
Posted by: man at July 14, 2025 01:33 PM (tubbA)
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12 Also, Computers and the Internet are the worst things that ever happened for Education.
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Yep.
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Yep.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 14, 2025 01:33 PM (W3T6M)
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I’ve noticed a lot of them seem to be allergic to punctuality as well.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 14, 2025 01:33 PM (u73oe)
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I see a field ripe for exploitation by trial lawyers.
Massive multi billion dollar class action because Johnny and Jane cannot follow their dream into a McMansion.
Massive multi billion dollar class action because Johnny and Jane cannot follow their dream into a McMansion.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 01:33 PM (tT6L1)
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What kind of test scores can a student be getting if she can't read? UConn's acceptance standards have always been of the "closing time" variety, but they don't even have standards now.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 14, 2025 01:33 PM (2ap+5)
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>>Let's not pretend that these little mouthbreathing homunculi would all turn into men and women of letters if they just paid a little more attention in class or had teachers who weren't all slinging dildoes around and cornholing anything that stops moving for three seconds.
It would definitely be less effective than sending them to the Mines as children.
Make Child Labor Great Again.
It would definitely be less effective than sending them to the Mines as children.
Make Child Labor Great Again.
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:34 PM (Bi+MU)
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Actually, illiteracy begins in 1st grade.
Kids should be reading right out of the gate, if they aren't reading they aren't learning.
Kids should be reading right out of the gate, if they aren't reading they aren't learning.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 01:34 PM (XV/Pl)
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Aside from AoS, my most addictive online readin g is the "Teachers" subreddit on Reddit, which is overflowing with mind-boggling horror stories about what education is like these days, and the monstrosity f American K-12 and college students.
In short, the universal consensus amongst the hundreds of thousands of teachers who comment there, is that modern students:
— Are physically incapable of learning, their brains having been shot-circuited and totally fried from infancy by iPhones, social media, gakes and AI.
— Have no curioisity, enthusiasm, empathy or ambition, and jut "don't care" about anything, even their own failure and idiocy.
— Are rude, entitled, dismissive, amoral, self-centered and smug, to the pi t of barely even being human
— Less discussed, but equally catastrophic: THe few who do learn are taught garbage and brainwashing indoctrination by the leftist curricula and teachers, so they still don't learn anything anyway, even when they do pay attention.
End result: The United States has no future. Entire generations are lost.
In short, the universal consensus amongst the hundreds of thousands of teachers who comment there, is that modern students:
— Are physically incapable of learning, their brains having been shot-circuited and totally fried from infancy by iPhones, social media, gakes and AI.
— Have no curioisity, enthusiasm, empathy or ambition, and jut "don't care" about anything, even their own failure and idiocy.
— Are rude, entitled, dismissive, amoral, self-centered and smug, to the pi t of barely even being human
— Less discussed, but equally catastrophic: THe few who do learn are taught garbage and brainwashing indoctrination by the leftist curricula and teachers, so they still don't learn anything anyway, even when they do pay attention.
End result: The United States has no future. Entire generations are lost.
Posted by: zombie at July 14, 2025 01:34 PM (pMi6S)
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"Competence is a Christian-fascist ideal."
They'd probably write that, but spell it "facist " instead.
They'd probably write that, but spell it "facist " instead.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2025 01:34 PM (2GCMq)
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Is it Johnny's fault? OH, NOOOOO!
Posted by: Don in SoCo at July 14, 2025 01:34 PM (vd6bO)
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It's a Language Model.
Essentially, Distilled Stupidity.
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:33 PM (Bi+MU)
It's a bit scary for me, too. I can easily spot when an intern fucks something up in a draft. But I assume my interns aren't going to fabricate caselaw and fake quotes.
ChatGPT I have to verify literally everything, and even then, I don't know if the case it cited is the controlling case. Legal research is a pain in the balls, but also there's a reason it is supposed to be done so methodically and why people spend so much time in their 1L year learning about keycites and books in libraries and all of that.
Essentially, Distilled Stupidity.
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:33 PM (Bi+MU)
It's a bit scary for me, too. I can easily spot when an intern fucks something up in a draft. But I assume my interns aren't going to fabricate caselaw and fake quotes.
ChatGPT I have to verify literally everything, and even then, I don't know if the case it cited is the controlling case. Legal research is a pain in the balls, but also there's a reason it is supposed to be done so methodically and why people spend so much time in their 1L year learning about keycites and books in libraries and all of that.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 01:35 PM (uCjyK)
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If you're female feel free to insert the word "like" at least two times into every sentence you speak.
Posted by: Don't get me started at July 14, 2025 01:35 PM (bcy1V)
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I had an applicant write her resume on the back of her application letter (rife with grammatical errors) in pencil.
I brought her in for an interview just out of morbid curiosity. Shorts and a T-shirt, no writing instrument. No idea what we did. I ended up giving here a bit a tutorial on proper interview behavior. I'm kind of hoping she gets a job with a competitor.
I brought her in for an interview just out of morbid curiosity. Shorts and a T-shirt, no writing instrument. No idea what we did. I ended up giving here a bit a tutorial on proper interview behavior. I'm kind of hoping she gets a job with a competitor.
Posted by: Orson at July 14, 2025 01:35 PM (dIske)
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Don't get this English major started on the current crop of illiterates.
Posted by: pookysgirl doesn't feel like typing out an essay on her phone at July 14, 2025 01:35 PM (WRiYD)
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It's not that they don't want to do the reading. It's that they don't know how. Middle and high schools have stopped asking them to.
Asking?
It's not that they don't want to do the reading. It's that they don't know how. Middle and high schools have stopped asking them to.
Asking?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 14, 2025 01:35 PM (63Dwl)
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Propaganda to get H1-Bs in full...
Trust me, I've seen the hiring process this year for the capable kids. MAKE industry hire them 1st before ever thinking about one visa for any American job.
AKA - you want American security and resources for your business. Hire Americans.
Trust me, I've seen the hiring process this year for the capable kids. MAKE industry hire them 1st before ever thinking about one visa for any American job.
AKA - you want American security and resources for your business. Hire Americans.
Posted by: Nova Local at July 14, 2025 01:35 PM (tOcjL)
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I remember the story of the summer interns that didn't want to adhere to the dress code their "employer" had. So they protested and th3n were promptly fired. One of the leaders of the protest said "We were just doing what we learned in college."
I was hired right out of college. Well actually I kept the same job that had put me through college but at double my pay and got a promotion from designer to mechanical design engineer. Within two years I was a project engineer.
I was hired right out of college. Well actually I kept the same job that had put me through college but at double my pay and got a promotion from designer to mechanical design engineer. Within two years I was a project engineer.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at July 14, 2025 01:35 PM (17s+e)
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In short, the universal consensus amongst the hundreds of thousands of teachers who comment there, is that modern students:
The problem is primarily with the culture, but American teachers are part of that problem.
The people complaining that their students are lazy and entitled, demand their raises not be tied to competence and complain bitterly any time they put in extra hours.
The problem is primarily with the culture, but American teachers are part of that problem.
The people complaining that their students are lazy and entitled, demand their raises not be tied to competence and complain bitterly any time they put in extra hours.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:36 PM (t0Rmr)
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Organizations heavily staffed by women are incompetent and failing. How can that be?
Posted by: Ray at July 14, 2025 01:36 PM (zhWvq)
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Ed Schools need to be remediated. It's source for this tidal disaster.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 14, 2025 01:36 PM (mlg/3)
Posted by: brak at July 14, 2025 01:36 PM (A1Mmr)
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2025 01:37 PM (Qr870)
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The problem? The resolution repeatedly spelled the word "fascism" as "facism."
maybe they don't want to offend people with a lisp. like when lara trump insulted people with a stutter when she mentioned biden's cognitive decline
maybe they don't want to offend people with a lisp. like when lara trump insulted people with a stutter when she mentioned biden's cognitive decline
Posted by: gnats local 678 at July 14, 2025 01:37 PM (CWTWj)
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It's a Language Model.
Essentially, Distilled Stupidity.
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:33 PM (Bi+MU)
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On a recent Tech Thread, it was noticed that AI functions best in environments where A) no one has the necessary expertise in a particular field and B) no one cares about the outcome.
So, government work.
Essentially, Distilled Stupidity.
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:33 PM (Bi+MU)
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On a recent Tech Thread, it was noticed that AI functions best in environments where A) no one has the necessary expertise in a particular field and B) no one cares about the outcome.
So, government work.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at July 14, 2025 01:37 PM (XZ5S6)
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About a third of these kids are on Ritalin or Xanax.
Many have the attention spans of mosquitoes and that’s on top of the relatively short attention span of the average American - television and now TikTok have that affect on people.
The most they can read is a short article without turning to their phones for a dopamine hit.
Only the young people with natural curiosity, high intelligence, the most dedication to learning and/or a certain career goal are getting an actual education these days it seems.
Many have the attention spans of mosquitoes and that’s on top of the relatively short attention span of the average American - television and now TikTok have that affect on people.
The most they can read is a short article without turning to their phones for a dopamine hit.
Only the young people with natural curiosity, high intelligence, the most dedication to learning and/or a certain career goal are getting an actual education these days it seems.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 14, 2025 01:37 PM (6ydKt)
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welp I have one recent grad who graduated into a job waiting for her and I promise you she is smart as hell and a hard worker
she works in tech and tells me she is shocked to no longer be the "smartest" - they are all so sharp
so .. this isn't everyone. she did get a STEM degree and all my kids went to private catholic schools and read a LOT of books in school and out
this story is why we paid a whole fuckton of money for the private catholic schools, sigh
they were worth it tho
she works in tech and tells me she is shocked to no longer be the "smartest" - they are all so sharp
so .. this isn't everyone. she did get a STEM degree and all my kids went to private catholic schools and read a LOT of books in school and out
this story is why we paid a whole fuckton of money for the private catholic schools, sigh
they were worth it tho
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 01:37 PM (Pv3Rg)
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I remember the story of the summer interns that didn't want to adhere to the dress code their "employer" had. So they protested and th3n were promptly fired. One of the leaders of the protest said "We were just doing what we learned in college."
TBH it was a great learning experience for them I hope.
A manager will put up with some amount of crap from high performing employees but an intern? NEXT.
TBH it was a great learning experience for them I hope.
A manager will put up with some amount of crap from high performing employees but an intern? NEXT.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:37 PM (t0Rmr)
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Well, I don't know who corporate America is hiring then; i just retired with 27 years of military and law enforcement service and can't get a goddam interview.
Posted by: UGAdawg at July 14, 2025 01:38 PM (xP8uf)
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As a Millennial I just want to enjoy it being my turn to say:
Man these kids today, amirite??
Good start but wait until you get your first junk mail from AARP before setting the rocker out on the front porch.
Man these kids today, amirite??
Good start but wait until you get your first junk mail from AARP before setting the rocker out on the front porch.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 14, 2025 01:38 PM (/y8xj)
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DEI will not go away until all women are fired from HR.
All other measures allow the cancer core to remain.
Woke/DEI is a supremacist mind-virus impervious to facts or consequences.
And it will still survive outside due to Griggs v. Duke Energy, which outsourced placement test to higher ed.
Which, like all monopolies, have found they are not personally responsible for producing a product of any quality because the customer is trapped.
All other measures allow the cancer core to remain.
Woke/DEI is a supremacist mind-virus impervious to facts or consequences.
And it will still survive outside due to Griggs v. Duke Energy, which outsourced placement test to higher ed.
Which, like all monopolies, have found they are not personally responsible for producing a product of any quality because the customer is trapped.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 01:38 PM (JThEY)
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47 Organizations heavily staffed by women are incompetent and failing. How can that be?
Ray Im female and I agree with you
Ray Im female and I agree with you
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 01:38 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Let me help you get your kids off to a good start.
Posted by: Theodore Geisel at July 14, 2025 01:39 PM (bcy1V)
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The future's pretty bleak when you consider there will likely be nobody who can repair or maintain the technology and infrastructure in modern society. The coming collapse will be the end of America as it slides into a giant, technologically broken society with small pockets of civilization barely kept alive by the few who actually know how to fix and build shit.
And that's after the civil war(s) that had decimated what survived the original collapse.
Makes for a good EoT book.
And that's after the civil war(s) that had decimated what survived the original collapse.
Makes for a good EoT book.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 14, 2025 01:39 PM (Q4IgG)
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Speaking of which, I got unsolicited junk mail from an assisted living facility last week. Google probably told them to send it.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 14, 2025 01:39 PM (/y8xj)
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56 Well, I don't know who corporate America is hiring then; i just retired with 27 years of military and law enforcement service and can't get a goddam interview.
Posted by: UGAdawg at July 14, 2025 01:38 PM (xP8uf)
This, too, 100%. Companies want the benefits of America while paying the wages of the 3rd world to slaves who can't leave them. We need a new slogan. American First And Always for American Companies.
Posted by: UGAdawg at July 14, 2025 01:38 PM (xP8uf)
This, too, 100%. Companies want the benefits of America while paying the wages of the 3rd world to slaves who can't leave them. We need a new slogan. American First And Always for American Companies.
Posted by: Nova Local at July 14, 2025 01:39 PM (tOcjL)
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my daughter's co has very little HR. she wasn't onboarded at all
just got in, got projects, here's the team, start coding shit
just got in, got projects, here's the team, start coding shit
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 01:39 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Affirmative Action Has Consequences
Posted by: garrett
Once you accept that the only reason for failure is racism, then standards are just an arcane relic. That's why universities fight so hard to avoid getting rid of DEI.
https://is.gd/lYhw05
Harvard Grad Schools Rebrand Diversity Offices as University Wipes DEI Messaging
So far, the rebranding has largely happened without layoffs of top staff and with the promise of replacement programs. But details on Harvard’s new approach have remained scant, and little has been communicated to students and faculty...But the removal of DEI language has coincided with its replacement by language on pluralism, dialogue, and ideological diversity...Other changes were made quietly. An HSPH website that once extolled the “power of diversity” and championed “building a culture of inclusivity” now testifies to the “power of pluralism” and “a culture of mutual respect.”...It remains unclear to what extent the changes represent a surface-level rebranding or a structural overhaul.
Does it though?
Posted by: garrett
Once you accept that the only reason for failure is racism, then standards are just an arcane relic. That's why universities fight so hard to avoid getting rid of DEI.
https://is.gd/lYhw05
Harvard Grad Schools Rebrand Diversity Offices as University Wipes DEI Messaging
So far, the rebranding has largely happened without layoffs of top staff and with the promise of replacement programs. But details on Harvard’s new approach have remained scant, and little has been communicated to students and faculty...But the removal of DEI language has coincided with its replacement by language on pluralism, dialogue, and ideological diversity...Other changes were made quietly. An HSPH website that once extolled the “power of diversity” and championed “building a culture of inclusivity” now testifies to the “power of pluralism” and “a culture of mutual respect.”...It remains unclear to what extent the changes represent a surface-level rebranding or a structural overhaul.
Does it though?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 01:39 PM (Riz8t)
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Is it Johnny's fault? OH, NOOOOO!
Posted by: Don in SoCo at July 14, 2025 01:34 PM (vd6bO)
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When you're taught from birth there is no such thing as consequences, nor wrong answers, only "your truth" then, yeah, it's not necessarily Johnny's fault.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at July 14, 2025 01:34 PM (vd6bO)
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When you're taught from birth there is no such thing as consequences, nor wrong answers, only "your truth" then, yeah, it's not necessarily Johnny's fault.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (tT6L1)
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44 Propaganda to get H1-Bs in full...
Trust me, I've seen the hiring process this year for the capable kids. MAKE industry hire them 1st before ever thinking about one visa for any American job.
AKA - you want American security and resources for your business. Hire Americans.
Posted by: Nova Local at July 14, 2025 01:35 PM (tOcjL)
I agree completely. I see equally (if not more) incompetent people from India getting jobs from their cousins in big tech or whatever, while Americans are just left with $150k in debt and their dick in their hand, working at Starbucks and becoming nihilistic because they can't land a good job.
Yes, the colleges are partially to blame. As is K-12 education. And the parents. And the govt being involved in student loans. But ultimately, we need to fix this problem ASAP or that's kind of the end of the civilization / culture.
Companies should not be able to side step hiring all of these American kids by hiring semi-slave labor of either legal or illegal status.
Trust me, I've seen the hiring process this year for the capable kids. MAKE industry hire them 1st before ever thinking about one visa for any American job.
AKA - you want American security and resources for your business. Hire Americans.
Posted by: Nova Local at July 14, 2025 01:35 PM (tOcjL)
I agree completely. I see equally (if not more) incompetent people from India getting jobs from their cousins in big tech or whatever, while Americans are just left with $150k in debt and their dick in their hand, working at Starbucks and becoming nihilistic because they can't land a good job.
Yes, the colleges are partially to blame. As is K-12 education. And the parents. And the govt being involved in student loans. But ultimately, we need to fix this problem ASAP or that's kind of the end of the civilization / culture.
Companies should not be able to side step hiring all of these American kids by hiring semi-slave labor of either legal or illegal status.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (uCjyK)
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When TRUTH becomes a liability -- ALL PEOPLE BECOME THE ENEMY.
Is it a Client List, or List of Clients? is it a man-crab? or a crab-man? The horror, the Horror, the HORROR!
Just as the NO Kings agitators were wiped out by the Iran Strike, so too will these... forWAR'd !!! what could possibly go wrong?
Is it a Client List, or List of Clients? is it a man-crab? or a crab-man? The horror, the Horror, the HORROR!
Just as the NO Kings agitators were wiped out by the Iran Strike, so too will these... forWAR'd !!! what could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: MANFRED the Heat Seeking OBOE at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (zVn8g)
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I had an interview with P&G for a lab tech position back in the 80s. The interviewer gave me an osmotic pressure problem to solve on the spot. I did not get the job.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (p16cu)
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that UConn chick seemed deeply stupid
well at least she had some modicum of self awareness but damn
should not be in college
well at least she had some modicum of self awareness but damn
should not be in college
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (Pv3Rg)
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On a recent Tech Thread, it was noticed that AI functions best in environments where A) no one has the necessary expertise in a particular field and B) no one cares about the outcome.
So, government work.
There is an argument made, generally by left leaning technocrats, that we don't need everyone to work any more, and therefore the government should hire people that can't really work anywhere else.
And the most immediate problem with this is that when you overstaff government those employees going looking for things to do which generally means impede everyone else's ability to work.
TBH if we sent 50% of government workers home and kept paying them to just count the number of birds that fly over their houses each day we would immediately improve the overall economy...
So, government work.
There is an argument made, generally by left leaning technocrats, that we don't need everyone to work any more, and therefore the government should hire people that can't really work anywhere else.
And the most immediate problem with this is that when you overstaff government those employees going looking for things to do which generally means impede everyone else's ability to work.
TBH if we sent 50% of government workers home and kept paying them to just count the number of birds that fly over their houses each day we would immediately improve the overall economy...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (t0Rmr)
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Here's an exercise most modern day grads couldn't pull off.
Teacher: "Use these four words in a sentence... Detail, deduct, defense, defeat."
Muldoon: "De feet of de duck went over de fence before de tail!"
Teacher: "Use these four words in a sentence... Detail, deduct, defense, defeat."
Muldoon: "De feet of de duck went over de fence before de tail!"
Posted by: muldoon at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (poXs5)
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I know this is anecdotal and my experiences do not define general reality, but every manager and supervisor I have seen, talked to, and read says that its brutal trying to hire modern young people because they have no work ethic, no drive, no ambition, and quit for the dumbest vapid reasons without pattern or notification.
You'll hire the most clean and sane looking kid you can to fill a role, and they do the minimum work, spend as much time slacking and on the phone as they can get away with, and suddenly after a couple days just don't show up because they weren't feeling it any more or decided they wanted to play Call of Duty that day, or just decided they didn't want to be a "wage slave."
You'll hire the most clean and sane looking kid you can to fill a role, and they do the minimum work, spend as much time slacking and on the phone as they can get away with, and suddenly after a couple days just don't show up because they weren't feeling it any more or decided they wanted to play Call of Duty that day, or just decided they didn't want to be a "wage slave."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (dfIr7)
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On top of a lousy ed system, the internet and social media have given younger generations the attention span of a gnat. Sitting and enjoying reading a good novel or history is almost impossible.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 14, 2025 01:41 PM (Ry3Y5)
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Here's an exercise most modern day grads couldn't pull off.
Teacher: "Use these four words in a sentence... Detail, deduct, defense, defeat."
Muldoon: "De feet of de duck went over de fence before de tail!"
Posted by: muldoon at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (poXs5)
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Thank you Doctor! That was the perfect prescription for my afternoon.
Teacher: "Use these four words in a sentence... Detail, deduct, defense, defeat."
Muldoon: "De feet of de duck went over de fence before de tail!"
Posted by: muldoon at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (poXs5)
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Thank you Doctor! That was the perfect prescription for my afternoon.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 14, 2025 01:42 PM (96KLw)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2025 01:42 PM (2GCMq)
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Organizations heavily staffed by women are incompetent and failing. How can that be?
I've been working in the corporate world for a long time now and what my female peers tell me on a regular basis:
1) It is only sexism that stops them from getting promoted to management
2) Working for a woman sucks.
In my own personal experience I've had more good male managers then female, but I've had good female managers as well.
I've been working in the corporate world for a long time now and what my female peers tell me on a regular basis:
1) It is only sexism that stops them from getting promoted to management
2) Working for a woman sucks.
In my own personal experience I've had more good male managers then female, but I've had good female managers as well.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:42 PM (t0Rmr)
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The future's pretty bleak when you consider there will likely be nobody who can repair or maintain the technology and infrastructure in modern society.
We're kind of at that point today. We cannot repair anything any more because its become too complex or microscopic that it is beyond even a very skilled amateur to work on. Almost nobody actually knows how things they use every day work any more.
We're kind of at that point today. We cannot repair anything any more because its become too complex or microscopic that it is beyond even a very skilled amateur to work on. Almost nobody actually knows how things they use every day work any more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 01:42 PM (dfIr7)
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I consider myself a failure as a husband and a father. But both my kids are grown, paying their own way, no debt, first son's a homeowner at 25, and they both read books for pleasure.
I could maybe give myself a break.
I could maybe give myself a break.
Posted by: Bombadil at July 14, 2025 01:42 PM (MX0bI)
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I wonder, how will the Left blame Trump for this? They will blame Trump; the only question is what BS reason(s) they'll use.
Posted by: Gref at July 14, 2025 01:43 PM (aBgBM)
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Perhaps if we emphasized development of personal virtues like the ones that have been made fun of for the last too-many decades, like Trustworthy,
Loyal,
Helpful,
Friendly,
Courteous,
Kind,
Obedient,
Cheerful,
Thrifty,
Brave,
Clean,
and Reverent (He's a regular Boy Scout!)...perhaps add conscientious and industrious in there? Then you get better students of everything that matters. It ain't just the institutions, but what we demand of them.
Loyal,
Helpful,
Friendly,
Courteous,
Kind,
Obedient,
Cheerful,
Thrifty,
Brave,
Clean,
and Reverent (He's a regular Boy Scout!)...perhaps add conscientious and industrious in there? Then you get better students of everything that matters. It ain't just the institutions, but what we demand of them.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at July 14, 2025 01:43 PM (vd6bO)
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...osmotic pressure problem...
********
Is that when Marie manipulated Donnie into singing a medley that he didn't want to sing?
********
Is that when Marie manipulated Donnie into singing a medley that he didn't want to sing?
Posted by: muldoon at July 14, 2025 01:43 PM (poXs5)
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GenZ/forWAR'd the obvious solution?
Since businesses can't use them, and will soon collapse anyway, draft to be re-instituted... sans the trans and all the other deviants, who will be left to rot in their tasteless and primitive worlds....
Since businesses can't use them, and will soon collapse anyway, draft to be re-instituted... sans the trans and all the other deviants, who will be left to rot in their tasteless and primitive worlds....
Posted by: MANFRED the Heat Seeking OBOE at July 14, 2025 01:43 PM (zVn8g)
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"Students" these days learn absolutely nothing, and their brains are fried by social media and AI.
As adults, they will be utterly useless.
Posted by: zombie at July 14, 2025 01:25 PM (pMi6S)
They were fried by marxist indoctrinators first. And those very "educators" would love to blame AI and social media for their own inability and unwillingness to teach anything beyond perversion, division and agenda. BIRM
Because if you teach someone something, they become a potential danger to the cause. And the cause is all there is.
As adults, they will be utterly useless.
Posted by: zombie at July 14, 2025 01:25 PM (pMi6S)
They were fried by marxist indoctrinators first. And those very "educators" would love to blame AI and social media for their own inability and unwillingness to teach anything beyond perversion, division and agenda. BIRM
Because if you teach someone something, they become a potential danger to the cause. And the cause is all there is.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2025 01:43 PM (Qr870)
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Then charge up the incentives. Pay lower base salaries, and create more performance-related bonuses (model: waiters' wages vs tips). You want better pay, you've gotta show results.
Also, reinstate kid treatment like punching a clock, and combine it with new wage structures. One wage for a 40-hour week, another wage for less.
Gotta get creative on this. Moaning about our lot and yelling at slack-asses won't fix it.
Then charge up the incentives. Pay lower base salaries, and create more performance-related bonuses (model: waiters' wages vs tips). You want better pay, you've gotta show results.
Also, reinstate kid treatment like punching a clock, and combine it with new wage structures. One wage for a 40-hour week, another wage for less.
Gotta get creative on this. Moaning about our lot and yelling at slack-asses won't fix it.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 14, 2025 01:43 PM (xp7+v)
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56 Well, I don't know who corporate America is hiring then; i just retired with 27 years of military and law enforcement service and can't get a goddam interview.
Posted by: UGAdawg at July 14, 2025 01:38 PM (xP8uf)
I see that all the time, too.
People who are smart and highly qualified working jobs they are way overqualified for, while the high paying corporate jobs are increasingly full of DEI hires and third world immigrants. Then those DEI hires and third world immigrants take over the HR departments of those companies and the cycle intensifies.
Posted by: UGAdawg at July 14, 2025 01:38 PM (xP8uf)
I see that all the time, too.
People who are smart and highly qualified working jobs they are way overqualified for, while the high paying corporate jobs are increasingly full of DEI hires and third world immigrants. Then those DEI hires and third world immigrants take over the HR departments of those companies and the cycle intensifies.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 01:43 PM (uCjyK)
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Kids just need to get 100% on the Woke Talking Points test, and they'll pass with flying colors. (but no real education)
Posted by: illiniwek at July 14, 2025 01:44 PM (vbXSk)
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We're kind of at that point today. We cannot repair anything any more because its become too complex or microscopic that it is beyond even a very skilled amateur to work on. Almost nobody actually knows how things they use every day work any more.
This is a side effect of the fact we've become wealthy enough to just throw stuff away.
When I was young I remember fixing mechanical devices around my house, now I either hire someone or buy a new one.
This is a side effect of the fact we've become wealthy enough to just throw stuff away.
When I was young I remember fixing mechanical devices around my house, now I either hire someone or buy a new one.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:44 PM (t0Rmr)
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>>We're kind of at that point today. We cannot repair anything any more because its become too complex or microscopic that it is beyond even a very skilled amateur to work on.
Or, it was designed to keep anyone but a high paid tech to work on it.
Or, it was designed to keep anyone but a high paid tech to work on it.
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:44 PM (Bi+MU)
Posted by: Gavin Newsome at the Glass House Farm at July 14, 2025 01:44 PM (Riz8t)
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You'll hire the most clean and sane looking kid you can to fill a role, and they do the minimum work, spend as much time slacking and on the phone as they can get away with, and suddenly after a couple days just don't show up because they weren't feeling it any more or decided they wanted to play Call of Duty that day, or just decided they didn't want to be a "wage slave."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (dfIr7)
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Knew a guy way back when who ran a successful chain of stores. He told me he always, when someone was short, would front them the money going into a weekend, knowing full well they wouldn't show up to work the following Monday, thus, giving him grounds to fire the employee. (these were employees he wanted to get rid of and they always obliged) Said it saved him a ton of money in the long run.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (dfIr7)
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Knew a guy way back when who ran a successful chain of stores. He told me he always, when someone was short, would front them the money going into a weekend, knowing full well they wouldn't show up to work the following Monday, thus, giving him grounds to fire the employee. (these were employees he wanted to get rid of and they always obliged) Said it saved him a ton of money in the long run.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 01:45 PM (tT6L1)
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Is this about me?
Posted by: Person moaning about our lot and yelling at slack-asses at July 14, 2025 01:46 PM (bcy1V)
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When I was young I remember fixing mechanical devices around my house, now I either hire someone or buy a new one.
Look around and see how many devices are still purely mechanical. Probably not all that many. Most have embedded electronic controllers at a minimum.
Look around and see how many devices are still purely mechanical. Probably not all that many. Most have embedded electronic controllers at a minimum.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 14, 2025 01:46 PM (/y8xj)
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ok so when I graduated (from a private catholic HS!) about half of us went to college, that's all. and pretty much everyone was smart, at least smart-ish.
many got married, some worked in family business, some went to professional schools (it was a girls' school). but by no means was it expected that we all would go to college, not that it wasn't an option, but it wasn't PUSHED for 100 percent of college graduates like now.
and I think that percentage (50%) is too high. the first video had it right. it's for a) the very smart and b) the very studious
college is meaningless now, and pretty useless too, just because EVERYONE goes, no matter how much they try to do everything right they will need to cull down to appropriate college students or it won't work!
many got married, some worked in family business, some went to professional schools (it was a girls' school). but by no means was it expected that we all would go to college, not that it wasn't an option, but it wasn't PUSHED for 100 percent of college graduates like now.
and I think that percentage (50%) is too high. the first video had it right. it's for a) the very smart and b) the very studious
college is meaningless now, and pretty useless too, just because EVERYONE goes, no matter how much they try to do everything right they will need to cull down to appropriate college students or it won't work!
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 01:46 PM (Pv3Rg)
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should not be in college
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (Pv3Rg)
Where should she be
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (Pv3Rg)
Where should she be
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2025 01:47 PM (Qr870)
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anyone who attempts to instruct you to wear a festive little hat the right way is a racist who doesn't understand.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 14, 2025 01:47 PM (u5DUI)
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On top of a lousy ed system, the internet and social media have given younger generations the attention span of a gnat. Sitting and enjoying reading a good novel or history is almost impossible.
I haven't seen an official term or word for it, but this is functional illiteracy. If you can make out signs and small notes, but are unable to read anything deeper or longer there's not much different between that and illiteracy.
I mean, I don't speak Spanish but I can work out what a sign says most of the time.
I haven't seen an official term or word for it, but this is functional illiteracy. If you can make out signs and small notes, but are unable to read anything deeper or longer there's not much different between that and illiteracy.
I mean, I don't speak Spanish but I can work out what a sign says most of the time.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 01:47 PM (dfIr7)
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Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (dfIr7)
Do that many young people actually quit fairly quickly?
Do that many young people actually quit fairly quickly?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2025 01:47 PM (2GCMq)
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This entire article, ok I didn't read but the first part but stil, IS SO TRIGGERING TO ME. I can't even. I'm going go lie down now...
Posted by: Hampster Girl at July 14, 2025 01:47 PM (PiwSw)
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MeToo Instructor: "Can anyone give me a sentence using 'harassment'?"
Employee: "I miss this girl I was dating. Her ass meant a lot to me."
Employee: "I miss this girl I was dating. Her ass meant a lot to me."
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 01:47 PM (iFTx/)
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"It's changed expectations about what's worthy of attention," Daniel Willingham, a psychologist at UVA, told me. "Being bored has become unnatural."
I have said this same basic thing for at least two decades now: Kids need to learn about boredom, and how to handle it When I was a kid:
- I had to learn my my addition, subtraction, multiplication and division by repetition.
- I had long summers filled with... nothing. Nothing but what my friends and I could come up with to entertain ourselves.
- I had cartoons on Saturday morning and for an hour right after school (and a few specials during Christmas).
- I read the paper every day.
- I had chores to do.
Learning how to deal with the dull parts of life helps you appreciate the truly fun parts a helluva lot more. It also teaches you patience and discipline.
I also wonder how much all the psychological drugs they are prescribing kids and teenagers has to do with this.
I have said this same basic thing for at least two decades now: Kids need to learn about boredom, and how to handle it When I was a kid:
- I had to learn my my addition, subtraction, multiplication and division by repetition.
- I had long summers filled with... nothing. Nothing but what my friends and I could come up with to entertain ourselves.
- I had cartoons on Saturday morning and for an hour right after school (and a few specials during Christmas).
- I read the paper every day.
- I had chores to do.
Learning how to deal with the dull parts of life helps you appreciate the truly fun parts a helluva lot more. It also teaches you patience and discipline.
I also wonder how much all the psychological drugs they are prescribing kids and teenagers has to do with this.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 14, 2025 01:48 PM (wtvvX)
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College really should just be for people serious about pursuing a small number of careers that really do need extra training.
Going to college to get a degree in English or some such is idiotic...
Going to college to get a degree in English or some such is idiotic...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:48 PM (t0Rmr)
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Look around and see how many devices are still purely mechanical. Probably not all that many. Most have embedded electronic controllers at a minimum.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 14, 2025 01:46 PM (/y8xj)
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But, some of those circuit boards aren't all that expensive and fairly easy to replace. I had a small refrigerator at work the board went out on. Found the replacement, pulled the old one, soldered in the new and went on my way.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 14, 2025 01:46 PM (/y8xj)
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But, some of those circuit boards aren't all that expensive and fairly easy to replace. I had a small refrigerator at work the board went out on. Found the replacement, pulled the old one, soldered in the new and went on my way.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 01:48 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: OnlyFans at July 14, 2025 01:48 PM (bcy1V)
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What needs to happen is the repeal of Duke Power vs Griggs. Let companies test their own candidates. They at least have a focused objective target they are looking for. Much fairer than Affirmative Action carve outs.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 14, 2025 01:48 PM (W3T6M)
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Caught a meme this morning about ...
Going from teaching Greek and Latin in high school ..
to teaching remedial English in college
Going from teaching Greek and Latin in high school ..
to teaching remedial English in college
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2025 01:48 PM (RHGPo)
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college is meaningless now, and pretty useless too, just because EVERYONE goes, no matter how much they try to do everything right they will need to cull down to appropriate college students or it won't work!
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 01:46 PM (Pv3Rg)
In my social circle, pretty much everyone has at least one advanced degree.
I'm not hanging out with particularly smart people.
This push to get more and more degrees is not healthy for a society either. "You'll stand out if you get an MBA. You'll have a much better chance at getting a promotion!" 2 years of night school and tens of thousands of dollars later, you're still in the same job with a worthless piece of paper that doesn't prove anything in 2025. Maybe in 1985 it meant something, but now it's just an "oh, that's interesting" conversation piece.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 01:46 PM (Pv3Rg)
In my social circle, pretty much everyone has at least one advanced degree.
I'm not hanging out with particularly smart people.
This push to get more and more degrees is not healthy for a society either. "You'll stand out if you get an MBA. You'll have a much better chance at getting a promotion!" 2 years of night school and tens of thousands of dollars later, you're still in the same job with a worthless piece of paper that doesn't prove anything in 2025. Maybe in 1985 it meant something, but now it's just an "oh, that's interesting" conversation piece.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 01:48 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 01:49 PM (Pv3Rg)
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The collapse of American education is actually the biggest story of the modern era.
Education became about the 'educators' rather than the students. Governments decided that youths had to spend more years in schools, theoretically gaining more knowledge, but for what? So that everyone could become a doctor or engineer? So the kids zone out, more non-scholastic crap fills the day, grades are inflated because the teachers don't want to admit that your tax dollars are being pissed away on daycare and on and on and on.
Meanwhile, the kids are told that they're exceptional, that the only reason they're not brazilianaires yet is because of an -ism... unless you're a heterosexual, white, male in which case - die already.
Education became about the 'educators' rather than the students. Governments decided that youths had to spend more years in schools, theoretically gaining more knowledge, but for what? So that everyone could become a doctor or engineer? So the kids zone out, more non-scholastic crap fills the day, grades are inflated because the teachers don't want to admit that your tax dollars are being pissed away on daycare and on and on and on.
Meanwhile, the kids are told that they're exceptional, that the only reason they're not brazilianaires yet is because of an -ism... unless you're a heterosexual, white, male in which case - die already.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 01:49 PM (ExV1e)
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This is a side effect of the fact we've become wealthy enough to just throw stuff away.
That does play a part, but I used to be able to fix electronic equipment because I could work on the wiring and solder things. Now the circuitry requires a microscope to even see, and the wires are finer than mouse pubes.
That does play a part, but I used to be able to fix electronic equipment because I could work on the wiring and solder things. Now the circuitry requires a microscope to even see, and the wires are finer than mouse pubes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 01:49 PM (dfIr7)
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Those two facts alone put me far, far in front of any competition for my position and for promotions, should I seek them.
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Yours is the exception.
I'm hearing a lot about how the youngers are firing GenX, for example, merely because they are a bigger labor expense and they don't "vibe."
As Adam Smith said, there's a lot of ruin in a nation.
There is also a lot of ruin in a corporation.
They'll ruin you and the corporation before they give up their ideology.
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Yours is the exception.
I'm hearing a lot about how the youngers are firing GenX, for example, merely because they are a bigger labor expense and they don't "vibe."
As Adam Smith said, there's a lot of ruin in a nation.
There is also a lot of ruin in a corporation.
They'll ruin you and the corporation before they give up their ideology.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 01:49 PM (JThEY)
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Ok, since our educational systems have been failing for years, let's let our country fall behind because we can't find any qualified people.
Because we wouldn't DARE temporarily hire qualified foreigners to fill the gap because that would be unpatriotic or something.
Let's just send all our remaining business overseas.
Yay America!!!
Because we wouldn't DARE temporarily hire qualified foreigners to fill the gap because that would be unpatriotic or something.
Let's just send all our remaining business overseas.
Yay America!!!
Posted by: pawn at July 14, 2025 01:50 PM (QB+5g)
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Going from teaching Greek and Latin in high school ..
to teaching remedial English in college
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2025 01:48 PM (RHGPo)
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I remember reading an article years ago which mentioned college degrees had become a 5 year process, because the first year was spent on remedial English, math, etc.
to teaching remedial English in college
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2025 01:48 PM (RHGPo)
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I remember reading an article years ago which mentioned college degrees had become a 5 year process, because the first year was spent on remedial English, math, etc.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 01:50 PM (tT6L1)
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>>- I had cartoons on Saturday morning and for an hour right after school (and a few specials during Christmas).
For every 3 hours of reading we did as kids, we got to watch 30 minutes of TV (Read: Muppet Show!).
For every 3 hours of reading we did as kids, we got to watch 30 minutes of TV (Read: Muppet Show!).
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:50 PM (Bi+MU)
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109 Meanwhile, the kids are told that they're exceptional, that the only reason they're not brazilianaires yet is because of an -ism... unless you're a heterosexual, white, male in which case - die already.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 01:49 PM (ExV1e)
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Also, buy Ryan Trahan's candy as he becomes rich doing YouTube videos.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 01:49 PM (ExV1e)
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Also, buy Ryan Trahan's candy as he becomes rich doing YouTube videos.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 01:50 PM (GBKbO)
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But, some of those circuit boards aren't all that expensive and fairly easy to replace. I had a small refrigerator at work the board went out on. Found the replacement, pulled the old one, soldered in the new and went on my way.
Here's a recent example of how complex this gets...
My stove has a push button set of controls. The board that controls this partially died so I can't hit the 1/4/7 buttons. I could replace it...but the company doesn't make that board any more.
But, some of those circuit boards aren't all that expensive and fairly easy to replace. I had a small refrigerator at work the board went out on. Found the replacement, pulled the old one, soldered in the new and went on my way.
Here's a recent example of how complex this gets...
My stove has a push button set of controls. The board that controls this partially died so I can't hit the 1/4/7 buttons. I could replace it...but the company doesn't make that board any more.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:50 PM (t0Rmr)
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I grew up in the 80s and it turns out 3/4 of my teachers were marxist faggots. What is that number now? Of course kids aren't "learning". It has nothing to do with parenting or social media. They are given no reason to learn. They are taught merely to parrot the platitudes of godlessness.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2025 01:50 PM (Qr870)
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People who are writing movies now have never read books , I'm sure of it.
Not trying to make this a movie thread just saying...that shittiness translates to everything.
Not trying to make this a movie thread just saying...that shittiness translates to everything.
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2025 01:50 PM (fV+MH)
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Do that many young people actually quit fairly quickly?
I don't know, all I can say is what I have been told by managers and read by them online. And the worst part is that so many of the people looking for work look like Juggalos that they have no choice. Yes, that girl with the face tats and purple hair is the hostess now because you had nobody else to take the job.
I don't know, all I can say is what I have been told by managers and read by them online. And the worst part is that so many of the people looking for work look like Juggalos that they have no choice. Yes, that girl with the face tats and purple hair is the hostess now because you had nobody else to take the job.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 01:50 PM (dfIr7)
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Everyone infected with woke is also infected by the comorbidity of believing that all criticism/direction from your boss is a racial or sexual aggression, and that you're perfect the way you are, and that anyone who attempts to instruct you to do the job the right way is a racist who doesn't understand your Different Ways of Knowing.
There is only three ways to solve any problem.
1. The right way.
2. The wrong way.
And
3. The person who signs your paycheck's way.
There is only three ways to solve any problem.
1. The right way.
2. The wrong way.
And
3. The person who signs your paycheck's way.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 01:51 PM (+bLMA)
Posted by: Don't want to know at July 14, 2025 01:51 PM (bcy1V)
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>>That does play a part, but I used to be able to fix electronic equipment because I could work on the wiring and solder things. Now the circuitry requires a microscope to even see, and the wires are finer than mouse pubes.
Surface Mount Fixtures suck ass.
Surface Mount Fixtures suck ass.
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:51 PM (Bi+MU)
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Sorry, but I'm calling BIGGUS BULLSHITTUS on that. She seems reasonably articulate and intelligent in the video, and she's from Puerto Rico where English is an official language. I'll bet money this is an op or plea for attention.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 01:27 PM (iFTx/)
OTOH, she's a brown woman so if she just blew off her classes she'd still get promoted.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 01:27 PM (iFTx/)
OTOH, she's a brown woman so if she just blew off her classes she'd still get promoted.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 01:51 PM (ExV1e)
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Holy smokes, my kids read several books a semester starting in 5th grade. What a bunch of idiots. That being said, when my oldest went to public high school, he said the majority of the class couldnt read and comprehend a paragraph. He said when they had to read a 150 page book for their final, most kids just got chatgpt to summarize and analyze it.
Posted by: mishdog at July 14, 2025 01:51 PM (e28+i)
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They are taught merely to parrot the platitudes of godlessness.
Platitudes of Godlessness would be an excellent name for a band playing at Molochfest 2025.
Platitudes of Godlessness would be an excellent name for a band playing at Molochfest 2025.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 01:52 PM (Riz8t)
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I always seem to miss the GAINZZ thread, so I'm just going to brag here. I got a new squat PR on Saturday. 370lbs.
Just under two years ago when I started, I was squatting 185lbs.
Just under two years ago when I started, I was squatting 185lbs.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 14, 2025 01:52 PM (lIio7)
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I VASTLY prefer books to social media.
By the way, reading Bleak House currently and, unsurprisingly perhaps, it's really good.
By the way, reading Bleak House currently and, unsurprisingly perhaps, it's really good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 01:52 PM (xcxpd)
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The "You're perfect the way you are!" movement that's been around since I was a child (at least) is one of the worst things you can tell a person.
It's one thing to tell someone not to hate themselves. That's laudable, as every person has value.
It's quite another to suggest there is no room for improvement. That's dangerous and breeds the mentioned entitlement.
"I just want a woman who loves me for who I am!"
Who you are is a slob. You don't want the kind of woman who would love a slob. Clean yourself up, lift some weights, LOSE some weight and present a better version of yourself.
(Similar advice to the women who say the same thing.)
It's one thing to tell someone not to hate themselves. That's laudable, as every person has value.
It's quite another to suggest there is no room for improvement. That's dangerous and breeds the mentioned entitlement.
"I just want a woman who loves me for who I am!"
Who you are is a slob. You don't want the kind of woman who would love a slob. Clean yourself up, lift some weights, LOSE some weight and present a better version of yourself.
(Similar advice to the women who say the same thing.)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 14, 2025 01:52 PM (N1DT3)
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DEI will not go away until all women are fired from HR.
Having a man like Mr. Sheldrake in charge of Personnel was no picnic, it turned out. Miss Kubelik nearly died in my apartment as a result of his philandering.
Having a man like Mr. Sheldrake in charge of Personnel was no picnic, it turned out. Miss Kubelik nearly died in my apartment as a result of his philandering.
Posted by: C.C. Baxter, Consolidated Life, 19th floor, Ordinary Policy Dept., Premium Accounting at July 14, 2025 01:52 PM (wVcYX)
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126 I always seem to miss the GAINZZ thread, so I'm just going to brag here. I got a new squat PR on Saturday. 370lbs.
Just under two years ago when I started, I was squatting 185lbs.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 14, 2025 01:52 PM (lIio7)
congrats man
Just under two years ago when I started, I was squatting 185lbs.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 14, 2025 01:52 PM (lIio7)
congrats man
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 01:52 PM (xcxpd)
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Thanks, Mark!
Posted by: bonhomme at July 14, 2025 01:53 PM (lIio7)
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People who are writing movies now have never read books , I'm sure of it.
Converting books into movies was an old easy standby for Hollywood.
I think while the Hollywood types do occasionally read books still, they only read a narrow subset of woke, gay crap, so there are many, many good books that could easily become good movies that just aren't going to be made by Hollywood
Converting books into movies was an old easy standby for Hollywood.
I think while the Hollywood types do occasionally read books still, they only read a narrow subset of woke, gay crap, so there are many, many good books that could easily become good movies that just aren't going to be made by Hollywood
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:53 PM (t0Rmr)
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Ok, since our educational systems have been failing for years, let's let our country fall behind because we can't find any qualified people.
Because we wouldn't DARE temporarily hire qualified foreigners to fill the gap because that would be unpatriotic or something.
Let's just send all our remaining business overseas.
Yay America!!!
Posted by: pawn at July 14, 2025 01:50 PM (QB+5g)
There are 300+ million people living in this country legally right now.
I don't think the problem is a sheer lack of brainpower. And if it is, let's just wrap it up and call it a day at this point.
It requires an IQ of like 105 to do entry level coding at big tech. They're hiring foreigners with even more dubious educational backgrounds and a weak grasp on the english language to do those jobs. I'm pretty sure they can find qualified people at pretty much every high school or college in America.
But sure, let's just outsource our blue collar jobs to illegals from central america and our white collar jobs to immigrants from India and China. And the Americans can just work in service industry jobs like being baristas.
That sounds like a viable solution to keeping an economy and country running.
Because we wouldn't DARE temporarily hire qualified foreigners to fill the gap because that would be unpatriotic or something.
Let's just send all our remaining business overseas.
Yay America!!!
Posted by: pawn at July 14, 2025 01:50 PM (QB+5g)
There are 300+ million people living in this country legally right now.
I don't think the problem is a sheer lack of brainpower. And if it is, let's just wrap it up and call it a day at this point.
It requires an IQ of like 105 to do entry level coding at big tech. They're hiring foreigners with even more dubious educational backgrounds and a weak grasp on the english language to do those jobs. I'm pretty sure they can find qualified people at pretty much every high school or college in America.
But sure, let's just outsource our blue collar jobs to illegals from central america and our white collar jobs to immigrants from India and China. And the Americans can just work in service industry jobs like being baristas.
That sounds like a viable solution to keeping an economy and country running.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 01:53 PM (uCjyK)
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The computer company I was hired by in Michigan had aptitude tests. The HR guy went on and on about how it would the test would determine how well you would be as a programmer.
The test was 40 questions. The questions were similar to those on "The 1% Club."
It was me and a room full of Indians. A very pretty black lady came back and said I was the first person they ever had that scored perfect.
Go white guy!
The test was 40 questions. The questions were similar to those on "The 1% Club."
It was me and a room full of Indians. A very pretty black lady came back and said I was the first person they ever had that scored perfect.
Go white guy!
Posted by: Stateless - HAPPY and NOT HOMELESS - New Life Creation - 10.11 at July 14, 2025 01:53 PM (jvJvP)
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My stove has a push button set of controls. The board that controls this partially died so I can't hit the 1/4/7 buttons. I could replace it...but the company doesn't make that board any more.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:50 PM (t0Rmr)
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As I said, some. And, of course, there is no after market part for your stove, either. Been there and it is frustrating as all get out.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:50 PM (t0Rmr)
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As I said, some. And, of course, there is no after market part for your stove, either. Been there and it is frustrating as all get out.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 01:53 PM (tT6L1)
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127 I VASTLY prefer books to social media.
By the way, reading Bleak House currently and, unsurprisingly perhaps, it's really good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 01:52 PM (xcxpd)
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Reminds me of a bit from The Squid and the Whale.
Jesse Eisenberg dismisses A Tale of Two Cities as "minor Dickens", but it's obvious from the conversation that he'd never read A Tale of Two Cities.
By the way, reading Bleak House currently and, unsurprisingly perhaps, it's really good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 01:52 PM (xcxpd)
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Reminds me of a bit from The Squid and the Whale.
Jesse Eisenberg dismisses A Tale of Two Cities as "minor Dickens", but it's obvious from the conversation that he'd never read A Tale of Two Cities.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 01:54 PM (GBKbO)
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You're not going to learn by copy and pasting from ChatGPT.
But they all made it through college and law school using LLM's and Quimbee and other cheating methods, so here we are.
It's not great.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 01:31 PM (uCjyK)
Now imagine it's not a lawyer. It's your doctor. Or the person who designed the plane you have to fly in, or the bridge you have to drive over.
But they all made it through college and law school using LLM's and Quimbee and other cheating methods, so here we are.
It's not great.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 01:31 PM (uCjyK)
Now imagine it's not a lawyer. It's your doctor. Or the person who designed the plane you have to fly in, or the bridge you have to drive over.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 01:54 PM (ExV1e)
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Going to college to get a degree in English or some such is idiotic...
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omg don't tell me we're having this argument again. How I miss Jay Guevara, the chemistry professor who defended his well-rounded education including his studies of the humanities.
This conservative disdain for "book-larnin'" is stupid and misguided. The same people who rhyme "arts" with "farts" are the ones who complain that movies are just stupid cartoons anymore and music is a bunch of noise.
The fact that a lot of humanities departments have been corrupted is a separate matter.
Reading recommendation: The Best Minds, by Jonathan Rosen.
Going to college to get a degree in English or some such is idiotic...
Posted by: 18-1
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omg don't tell me we're having this argument again. How I miss Jay Guevara, the chemistry professor who defended his well-rounded education including his studies of the humanities.
This conservative disdain for "book-larnin'" is stupid and misguided. The same people who rhyme "arts" with "farts" are the ones who complain that movies are just stupid cartoons anymore and music is a bunch of noise.
The fact that a lot of humanities departments have been corrupted is a separate matter.
Reading recommendation: The Best Minds, by Jonathan Rosen.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 14, 2025 01:54 PM (xp7+v)
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127 I VASTLY prefer books to social media.
By the way, reading Bleak House currently and, unsurprisingly perhaps, it's really good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 01:52 PM (xcxpd)
*fistbump*
By the way, reading Bleak House currently and, unsurprisingly perhaps, it's really good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 01:52 PM (xcxpd)
*fistbump*
Posted by: The Unofficial AoSHQ Bleak House Fan Club at July 14, 2025 01:54 PM (PiwSw)
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Pray tell, what books are kids being asked to read...?
Faggot Shitass and the White Oppressor of Hate
Heather Scissors Her Sister
It's OK to Be a Pedo
Black and a Victim
Molester Marvin's Happy Place
Faggot Shitass and the White Oppressor of Hate
Heather Scissors Her Sister
It's OK to Be a Pedo
Black and a Victim
Molester Marvin's Happy Place
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2025 01:54 PM (Qr870)
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Hare. Hunter. Field.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 14, 2025 01:54 PM (63Dwl)
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Who "fixes" smart phones anymore? If it stops working, in some manner, shape or form does it really get "repaired?" Or is your SIM card just inserted into a cloned copy of your old phone?
7 or 8 years ago my wife dropped her cell phone and the screen cracked. It still (sort of) worked, but you could only access certain apps that weren't on the broken part of the screen. The solution, as I alluded to above. New, cloned phone. (Under warranty, but I can imagine what that would cost if not.)
That's only one example of this "throw away" society we're in. What do we do when you can't throw it away because it's the only one you've got and there ain't no more of... whatever?
The education issues and work ethics are a whole different issue, but I think one dovetails into the other.
7 or 8 years ago my wife dropped her cell phone and the screen cracked. It still (sort of) worked, but you could only access certain apps that weren't on the broken part of the screen. The solution, as I alluded to above. New, cloned phone. (Under warranty, but I can imagine what that would cost if not.)
That's only one example of this "throw away" society we're in. What do we do when you can't throw it away because it's the only one you've got and there ain't no more of... whatever?
The education issues and work ethics are a whole different issue, but I think one dovetails into the other.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 14, 2025 01:55 PM (Q4IgG)
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Jesse Eisenberg dismisses A Tale of Two Cities as "minor Dickens", but it's obvious from the conversation that he'd never read A Tale of Two Cities.
I prefer to read the literary criticism instead.
I prefer to read the literary criticism instead.
Posted by: GuyFromMetropolitan at July 14, 2025 01:55 PM (Pv3Rg)
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 14, 2025 01:55 PM (wBaIH)
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I was at a friend's house the other day. He's a big Green Bay Packers fan so I didn't think much of it when he walked over to the window and yelled, "Green goes up!!" He did it again about every five minutes and I finally asked, "Hey, what's with yelling 'Green goes up'? "
He said, "Oh, I've got a college grad laying sod in the back yard."
He said, "Oh, I've got a college grad laying sod in the back yard."
Posted by: muldoon at July 14, 2025 01:56 PM (poXs5)
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I had a fellow employee that was moving from Boston to Philadelphia, so he was looking for a house. Somebody suggested that he join the cocktail circuit and talk to people from the various areas around Philadelphia.
The first thing he found out ... every child on the "Main Line" of Philadelphia (the western suburbs along the train line) were "gifted". The parents would tell him so. I even ran into a old high school buddy then living on the "Mainline" who told me the same.
He figured his kids were smart but not "gifted" so he got a house in the far western suburb of West Chester.
The first thing he found out ... every child on the "Main Line" of Philadelphia (the western suburbs along the train line) were "gifted". The parents would tell him so. I even ran into a old high school buddy then living on the "Mainline" who told me the same.
He figured his kids were smart but not "gifted" so he got a house in the far western suburb of West Chester.
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2025 01:56 PM (RHGPo)
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Jesse Eisenberg dismisses A Tale of Two Cities as "minor Dickens", but it's obvious from the conversation that he'd never read A Tale of Two Cities.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 01:54 PM (GBKbO)
Which would have been a primary source
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 01:54 PM (GBKbO)
Which would have been a primary source
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2025 01:56 PM (Qr870)
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Harry Paratestes
A silo model to shield a new corporation may work. Be very careful who you let in the door, and have a fast off-ramp.
How does Singapore do it?
A silo model to shield a new corporation may work. Be very careful who you let in the door, and have a fast off-ramp.
How does Singapore do it?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 14, 2025 01:56 PM (u82oZ)
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I prefer to read the literary criticism instead.
Posted by: GuyFromMetropolitan at July 14, 2025 01:55 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Would it surprise you to know that I own that movie?
I prefer to read the literary criticism instead.
Posted by: GuyFromMetropolitan at July 14, 2025 01:55 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Would it surprise you to know that I own that movie?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 01:56 PM (GBKbO)
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Honestly, I would tell any hungry reader to never read Ethan Frome. Just don't do it.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 14, 2025 01:56 PM (W3T6M)
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[]"I just want a woman who loves me for who I am!"
Who you are is a slob. You don't want the kind of woman who would love a slob. Clean yourself up, lift some weights, LOSE some weight and present a better version of yourself.
Yeah. This. Yes, many modern young women are a disaster but look into the mirror young men. You need to be a better man if you want a better woman.
By the way, reading Bleak House currently and, unsurprisingly perhaps, it's really good.
Despite the name its one of the least depressing of his books too LOL
Who you are is a slob. You don't want the kind of woman who would love a slob. Clean yourself up, lift some weights, LOSE some weight and present a better version of yourself.
Yeah. This. Yes, many modern young women are a disaster but look into the mirror young men. You need to be a better man if you want a better woman.
By the way, reading Bleak House currently and, unsurprisingly perhaps, it's really good.
Despite the name its one of the least depressing of his books too LOL
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 01:56 PM (dfIr7)
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>>My stove has a push button set of controls. The board that controls this partially died so I can't hit the 1/4/7 buttons. I could replace it...but the company doesn't make that board any more.
My Suburban blew a heater Hose this weekend while I was driving down the road.
I could not repair it because someone decided that Hose Clamps are obsolete and designed a 'Quick Fitting' that can not be removed without a proprietary tool.
The other end of the same fucking hose has a clamp on it. But...you aren't fixing it on the side of the road, anymore.
Because Fuck You.
My Suburban blew a heater Hose this weekend while I was driving down the road.
I could not repair it because someone decided that Hose Clamps are obsolete and designed a 'Quick Fitting' that can not be removed without a proprietary tool.
The other end of the same fucking hose has a clamp on it. But...you aren't fixing it on the side of the road, anymore.
Because Fuck You.
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:56 PM (Bi+MU)
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Wasn't there a fairly recent thread about some states bringing back apprenticeships?
Indiana or Iowa, can't recall.
Indiana or Iowa, can't recall.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at July 14, 2025 01:56 PM (Ch4Qk)
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Faggot Shitass and the White Oppressor of Hate
Heather Scissors Her Sister
It's OK to Be a Pedo
Black and a Victim
Molester Marvin's Happy Place
+++
What about me?
Heather Scissors Her Sister
It's OK to Be a Pedo
Black and a Victim
Molester Marvin's Happy Place
+++
What about me?
Posted by: Chester The Molester at July 14, 2025 01:56 PM (bcy1V)
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I got my BS in '79.
Starting college, I took the CLEP tests. If those were truly indicative of 1st year college courses, it was worthless even then.
Didn't learn squat until the 300 and 400 level courses... all applied to my degree.
Starting college, I took the CLEP tests. If those were truly indicative of 1st year college courses, it was worthless even then.
Didn't learn squat until the 300 and 400 level courses... all applied to my degree.
Posted by: MkY at July 14, 2025 01:56 PM (cPGH3)
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Now imagine it's not a lawyer. It's your doctor. Or the person who designed the plane you have to fly in, or the bridge you have to drive over.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 01:54 PM (ExV1e)
Oh, I know. Trust me, I know.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 01:54 PM (ExV1e)
Oh, I know. Trust me, I know.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 01:56 PM (uCjyK)
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the quality of the books assigned in US schools of late is a whole other topic
atrocious
thankfully we supplemented with REAL books at home
atrocious
thankfully we supplemented with REAL books at home
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 14, 2025 01:56 PM (Pv3Rg)
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The Real Mike Rowe
@mikeroweworks
My first two words on this particular Sunday morning were "Hallelujah!” followed by, “Amen!” ...
[Pull Quote:] If you haven’t already heard, a massive challenge is upon us. With regard to artificial intelligence and the energy we need to feed it, America will either change its current direction, or get left far, far behind. I know this because I run a modest foundation that has been arguing for decades that the portion of our workforce most often described as “the skilled trades,” will become the most essential component of our economy, our independence, and our collective future.
https://is.gd/yeFuQ6
The Real Mike Rowe
@mikeroweworks
My first two words on this particular Sunday morning were "Hallelujah!” followed by, “Amen!” ...
[Pull Quote:] If you haven’t already heard, a massive challenge is upon us. With regard to artificial intelligence and the energy we need to feed it, America will either change its current direction, or get left far, far behind. I know this because I run a modest foundation that has been arguing for decades that the portion of our workforce most often described as “the skilled trades,” will become the most essential component of our economy, our independence, and our collective future.
https://is.gd/yeFuQ6
Posted by: ShainS at July 14, 2025 01:57 PM (qwZT2)
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I always seem to miss the GAINZZ thread, so I'm just going to brag here. I got a new squat PR on Saturday. 370lbs.
Just under two years ago when I started, I was squatting 185lbs.
Posted by: bonhomme
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Nice work!
I always seem to miss the GAINZZ thread, so I'm just going to brag here. I got a new squat PR on Saturday. 370lbs.
Just under two years ago when I started, I was squatting 185lbs.
Posted by: bonhomme
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Nice work!
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 14, 2025 01:57 PM (xp7+v)
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One thing I can say about the Moron Horde:
Based on the books you've recommended on the Sunday Morning Book Thread, you guys are among the most intelligent, articulate, well-read bunch of Morons it's been my pleasure to encounter on a weekly basis.
Based on the books you've recommended on the Sunday Morning Book Thread, you guys are among the most intelligent, articulate, well-read bunch of Morons it's been my pleasure to encounter on a weekly basis.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 14, 2025 01:57 PM (7fElN)
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Would it surprise you to know that I own that movie?
it would not! it's an amazing film!
love it so
it would not! it's an amazing film!
love it so
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 14, 2025 01:57 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Who "fixes" smart phones anymore? If it stops working, in some manner, shape or form does it really get "repaired?" Or is your SIM card just inserted into a cloned copy of your old phone?
You cant really fix a phone but you can swap out components to make it work right again, which is a sort of repair.
You cant really fix a phone but you can swap out components to make it work right again, which is a sort of repair.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 01:57 PM (dfIr7)
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2025 01:57 PM (fV+MH)
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Man at least in our day we went to class and had AI take notes for us while we physically scrolled Tik Tok.
These kids today just have their robot assistants remotely log in to classes and summarize everything while beaming directly into their brains without leaving bed. Ridiculous
.
These kids today just have their robot assistants remotely log in to classes and summarize everything while beaming directly into their brains without leaving bed. Ridiculous
.
Posted by: Zoomers in 20 years at July 14, 2025 01:58 PM (A1Mmr)
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Repair Clinic Dot Com
Posted by: The truth is out there at July 14, 2025 01:58 PM (bcy1V)
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"We cannot repair anything any more because its become too complex or microscopic that it is beyond even a very skilled amateur to work on."
Well the cellphone industry is what drove the technology to make things smaller and near disposable. Most of the real costs associated with a lot electronic goods these days is in software.
The cell phone is/was the pretty much the driver of the speed of the digital revolution.
Well the cellphone industry is what drove the technology to make things smaller and near disposable. Most of the real costs associated with a lot electronic goods these days is in software.
The cell phone is/was the pretty much the driver of the speed of the digital revolution.
Posted by: pawn at July 14, 2025 01:58 PM (QB+5g)
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> Who "fixes" smart phones anymore? If it stops working, in some manner, shape or form does it really get "repaired?" Or is your SIM card just inserted into a cloned copy of your old phone?
I've bought iFixit kits for both phones and tablets. One could argue I didn't really "fix" anything, I just changed out a couple of modules. Things like batteries, cameras, and screens.
I've bought iFixit kits for both phones and tablets. One could argue I didn't really "fix" anything, I just changed out a couple of modules. Things like batteries, cameras, and screens.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 14, 2025 01:58 PM (lIio7)
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161 Would it surprise you to know that I own that movie?
it would not! it's an amazing film!
love it so
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 14, 2025 01:57 PM (Pv3Rg)
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The Whit Stillman trilogy from Criterion, including Barcelona and The Last Days of Disco.
it would not! it's an amazing film!
love it so
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 14, 2025 01:57 PM (Pv3Rg)
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The Whit Stillman trilogy from Criterion, including Barcelona and The Last Days of Disco.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 01:58 PM (GBKbO)
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The other end of the same fucking hose has a clamp on it. But...you aren't fixing it on the side of the road, anymore./i]
That's intentional. They want you going to the dealer's official Car Company™ garage, not doing it yourself in the driveway, teaching your kid.
That's intentional. They want you going to the dealer's official Car Company™ garage, not doing it yourself in the driveway, teaching your kid.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (dfIr7)
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The solution, as I alluded to above. New, cloned phone. (Under warranty, but I can imagine what that would cost if not.)
Phone screens can be replaced and it's not terribly expensive compared to a new phone but it's still not a DYI job for most of us. You have to take it to that Indian dude at the mall kiosk.
Phone screens can be replaced and it's not terribly expensive compared to a new phone but it's still not a DYI job for most of us. You have to take it to that Indian dude at the mall kiosk.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (/y8xj)
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By the way, reading Bleak House currently and, unsurprisingly perhaps, it's really good.
Despite the name its one of the least depressing of his books too LOL
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 01:56 PM (dfIr7)
Yes, the title was one reason it didn't make the cut earlier.
It's really good, and is rather stern with the English Legal system too.
Despite the name its one of the least depressing of his books too LOL
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 01:56 PM (dfIr7)
Yes, the title was one reason it didn't make the cut earlier.
It's really good, and is rather stern with the English Legal system too.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (xcxpd)
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I saw Van Helsing last night. Saw it 20 years ago and forgot about it. Now I remember why. Hard to see how a big budget, high concept blockbuster could go so wrong. Actually, it's not hard to see at all.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (iFTx/)
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163 A Tale of Two Cities is quite a slog.
But you have to have read that to know that.
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2025 01:57 PM (fV+MH)
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I read it and was shocked to learn that the most famous lines "It is a far, far better thing" are almost the final words of the book. Like...there may be one sentence after it.
I knew it was coming. But it kept not coming. I was confused.
But you have to have read that to know that.
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2025 01:57 PM (fV+MH)
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I read it and was shocked to learn that the most famous lines "It is a far, far better thing" are almost the final words of the book. Like...there may be one sentence after it.
I knew it was coming. But it kept not coming. I was confused.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (GBKbO)
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Blonde Morticia
Or anything by Freeman Dyson. He walked the walk. Even got the Templeton Prize, which was amazing.
Or anything by Freeman Dyson. He walked the walk. Even got the Templeton Prize, which was amazing.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (u82oZ)
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"What da fuck is jubilant my feet?"
University sophomore trying to understand lyrics to "The Battle Hymn of the Republic".
University sophomore trying to understand lyrics to "The Battle Hymn of the Republic".
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (gm9Sb)
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This conservative disdain for "book-larnin'" is stupid and misguided. The same people who rhyme "arts" with "farts" are the ones who complain that movies are just stupid cartoons anymore and music is a bunch of noise.
I guess I should have been clearer here.
College should exist to produce chemists, or doctors, or nuclear physicists etc. It should not get into things like humanities
Because that stuff SHOULD be taught at the HS level. In detail. As part of a well rounded education.
College is way, way too expensive to spend the time there teaching things not appropriate to whatever degree you are after.
This conservative disdain for "book-larnin'" is stupid and misguided. The same people who rhyme "arts" with "farts" are the ones who complain that movies are just stupid cartoons anymore and music is a bunch of noise.
I guess I should have been clearer here.
College should exist to produce chemists, or doctors, or nuclear physicists etc. It should not get into things like humanities
Because that stuff SHOULD be taught at the HS level. In detail. As part of a well rounded education.
College is way, way too expensive to spend the time there teaching things not appropriate to whatever degree you are after.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (t0Rmr)
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163 A Tale of Two Cities is quite a slog.
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Yes. But most of Dickens' is a slog. He was paid by the number of words he wrote. The stories were intended to be listened to, not read.
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Yes. But most of Dickens' is a slog. He was paid by the number of words he wrote. The stories were intended to be listened to, not read.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (W3T6M)
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This, too, 100%. Companies want the benefits of America while paying the wages of the 3rd world to slaves who can't leave them. We need a new slogan. American First And Always for American Companies.
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If your CEO has an MBA, you are just a big (and growing) number on the expense side of the ledger.
And expense they need to control.
You are never a number on the asset side.
An asset they need to retain.
I, by myself, generated as much revenue last month as an entire team.
I also received a piddling ass 5% "raise" this year.
It's why I don't feel bad being a "time thief" posting here.
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If your CEO has an MBA, you are just a big (and growing) number on the expense side of the ledger.
And expense they need to control.
You are never a number on the asset side.
An asset they need to retain.
I, by myself, generated as much revenue last month as an entire team.
I also received a piddling ass 5% "raise" this year.
It's why I don't feel bad being a "time thief" posting here.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 02:00 PM (JThEY)
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172 I saw Van Helsing last night. Saw it 20 years ago and forgot about it. Now I remember why. Hard to see how a big budget, high concept blockbuster could go so wrong. Actually, it's not hard to see at all.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (iFTx/)
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Stephen Sommers was a thing for like 5 minutes.
Van Helsing ended that.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (iFTx/)
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Stephen Sommers was a thing for like 5 minutes.
Van Helsing ended that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:00 PM (GBKbO)
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The Whit Stillman trilogy from Criterion, including Barcelona and The Last Days of Disco.
I have it as well! Classics
but around xmas they show Metropolitan at various theaters, including BMFI by me, and it's a must-do for the holiday season
I have it as well! Classics
but around xmas they show Metropolitan at various theaters, including BMFI by me, and it's a must-do for the holiday season
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 14, 2025 02:00 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Because we wouldn't DARE temporarily hire qualified foreigners to fill the gap because that would be unpatriotic or something.
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We've been "temporarily" doing it for like 40 years.
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We've been "temporarily" doing it for like 40 years.
Posted by: Methos at July 14, 2025 02:00 PM (zLwRl)
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106 Caught a meme this morning about ...
Going from teaching Greek and Latin in high school ..
to teaching remedial English in college
Posted by: SMOD
It was not uncommon for upper class children in 17th and 18th century England to master Latin, Greek, Hebrew and Middle English by the time they were early teens. Seriously. You were expected to read the Classics, the Old Testament and Chaucer in the orginals in your teens. When you went to Oxford or Cambridge, many classes were taught in Latin.
Compare that to today, when 20-year-olds are illiterate in English.
Going from teaching Greek and Latin in high school ..
to teaching remedial English in college
Posted by: SMOD
It was not uncommon for upper class children in 17th and 18th century England to master Latin, Greek, Hebrew and Middle English by the time they were early teens. Seriously. You were expected to read the Classics, the Old Testament and Chaucer in the orginals in your teens. When you went to Oxford or Cambridge, many classes were taught in Latin.
Compare that to today, when 20-year-olds are illiterate in English.
Posted by: zombie at July 14, 2025 02:00 PM (pMi6S)
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Professor Squirrel told me there was not a single copy of anything Freeman Dyson wrote in his entire University system. Amazingly sad.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 14, 2025 02:00 PM (u82oZ)
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Also I strongly believe the classroom model is outdated and destructive - need a better model, based on older values.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at July 14, 2025 02:01 PM (Ch4Qk)
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A Tale of Two Cities is quite a slog.
Yeah, I find most of Dickens' work to be. He got paid by the word, and it shows. Plus, books from that time period were like a companion you sat down with and enjoyed over time rather than a story you wanted to follow.
Yeah, I find most of Dickens' work to be. He got paid by the word, and it shows. Plus, books from that time period were like a companion you sat down with and enjoyed over time rather than a story you wanted to follow.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:01 PM (dfIr7)
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126 I always seem to miss the GAINZZ thread, so I'm just going to brag here. I got a new squat PR on Saturday. 370lbs.
Just under two years ago when I started, I was squatting 185lbs.
Posted by: bonhomme
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Congrats! That's awesome. Just got back in the gym recently here - slow 'n steady phase.
Just under two years ago when I started, I was squatting 185lbs.
Posted by: bonhomme
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Congrats! That's awesome. Just got back in the gym recently here - slow 'n steady phase.
Posted by: scampydog at July 14, 2025 02:01 PM (2bFN5)
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I just never got what was so damn special about the book, "The Catcher In The Rye"
I liked books like "The Loved One" by Evelyn Waugh and "The Invisible Man" by Ralph Ellison.
I liked books like "The Loved One" by Evelyn Waugh and "The Invisible Man" by Ralph Ellison.
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2025 02:01 PM (RHGPo)
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it is not the schools its the parents.
how do you have somebody that graduated hs and is not literate without shitty parents?
how do you have somebody that graduated hs and is not literate without shitty parents?
Posted by: n at July 14, 2025 02:01 PM (3GGcJ)
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Good job, bonhomme!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 02:02 PM (tT6L1)
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FYI, I just learned about a program building new Catholic High Schools. It's an initiative of the Society of Gilbert Keith Chesterton (a Catholic non-profit apostolate) called the Chesterton Schools Network, and it looks like they are trying to re-establish the classic Catholic education, inspired by G. K. Chesterton.
https://chestertonschoolsnetwork.org/
I pray they succeed.
https://chestertonschoolsnetwork.org/
I pray they succeed.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 14, 2025 02:02 PM (wtvvX)
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173 163 A Tale of Two Cities is quite a slog.
But you have to have read that to know that.
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2025 01:57 PM (fV+MH)
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I read it and was shocked to learn that the most famous lines "It is a far, far better thing" are almost the final words of the book. Like...there may be one sentence after it.
I knew it was coming. But it kept not coming. I was confused.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (GBKbO)
"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."
But you have to have read that to know that.
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2025 01:57 PM (fV+MH)
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I read it and was shocked to learn that the most famous lines "It is a far, far better thing" are almost the final words of the book. Like...there may be one sentence after it.
I knew it was coming. But it kept not coming. I was confused.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (GBKbO)
"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 14, 2025 02:02 PM (PzXaK)
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it is not the schools its the parents.
how do you have somebody that graduated hs and is not literate without shitty parents?
Posted by: n at July 14, 2025 02:01 PM (3GGcJ)
Because schools aren't there to teach subjects anymore they are there to teach leftardism. They want people dumb and it's working.
how do you have somebody that graduated hs and is not literate without shitty parents?
Posted by: n at July 14, 2025 02:01 PM (3GGcJ)
Because schools aren't there to teach subjects anymore they are there to teach leftardism. They want people dumb and it's working.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2025 02:02 PM (Qr870)
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Those universities take them for the $; make the caring teachers and professors deal with it until they go mad or quit, and allow many of those students to slip into those areas of unique academia & sports where - if they don't stay within those wacky parameters - there will be no other jobs they'll ever handle. (Onto selective therapy and self-care!)
It's been going on since well before C19. "Hope & Change"
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>The Daily Pennsylvanian, ‘Kissing the Trump ring’: Penn faculty condemn University's Title IX settlement, 8 hours ago
It's been going on since well before C19. "Hope & Change"
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>The Daily Pennsylvanian, ‘Kissing the Trump ring’: Penn faculty condemn University's Title IX settlement, 8 hours ago
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 14, 2025 02:02 PM (NFX2v)
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Frasier Crane's updating the story of A Tale of Two Cities for the Cheers crowd is about the best we can hope for. "As he climbed aboard the attack helicopter he said "it's a far far....""
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 14, 2025 02:03 PM (Ry3Y5)
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Let's "temporarily" tax income because we want government to do a little more than it does, too. Let's let it "temporarily" borrow money, too, so we don't have to pay too much.
Posted by: Methos at July 14, 2025 02:03 PM (zLwRl)
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Read a book? Pffft.
The only reason to go to college is to find new people to stick things in your butt!
Read a book? Pffft.
The only reason to go to college is to find new people to stick things in your butt!
Posted by: Peter Bootygig at July 14, 2025 02:03 PM (FinQB)
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Now imagine it's not a lawyer. It's your doctor. Or the person who designed the plane you have to fly in, or the bridge you have to drive over.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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AI in medicine should significantly improve diagnostics. We're on the brink, bay-bay, and we've got to be careful with this wild new capability.
Now imagine it's not a lawyer. It's your doctor. Or the person who designed the plane you have to fly in, or the bridge you have to drive over.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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AI in medicine should significantly improve diagnostics. We're on the brink, bay-bay, and we've got to be careful with this wild new capability.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 14, 2025 02:03 PM (xp7+v)
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If your CEO has an MBA, you are just a big (and growing) number on the expense side of the ledger.
And expense they need to control.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 02:00 PM (JThEY)
It's not really an MBA thing. It's an efficiency thing. And efficiency is usually good! However, it has been massively corrupted by big investment firms on wall street, by our legal system, and by how CEO's are hired.
In other words, you get a bunch of people whose only goal is showing short term profit without regards to the larger picture, because their personal incentives don't align with the long term incentives of the company.
It's one of those leftist tropes about "late stage capitalism" that is somewhat true. And I don't know if it's fixable. I do know that early stage socialism will absolutely NOT be an improvement.
And expense they need to control.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 02:00 PM (JThEY)
It's not really an MBA thing. It's an efficiency thing. And efficiency is usually good! However, it has been massively corrupted by big investment firms on wall street, by our legal system, and by how CEO's are hired.
In other words, you get a bunch of people whose only goal is showing short term profit without regards to the larger picture, because their personal incentives don't align with the long term incentives of the company.
It's one of those leftist tropes about "late stage capitalism" that is somewhat true. And I don't know if it's fixable. I do know that early stage socialism will absolutely NOT be an improvement.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 02:03 PM (uCjyK)
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31 I’ve noticed a lot of them seem to be allergic to punctuality as well.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
Punctuality is a tool of oppression by cis-het white patriarchal colonizers!!!
Posted by: Duke Lowell
Punctuality is a tool of oppression by cis-het white patriarchal colonizers!!!
Posted by: Young Soy Whites at July 14, 2025 02:03 PM (JCZqz)
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191
"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 14, 2025 02:02 PM (PzXaK)
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My high school history teacher, Mr. Ronald Holmes (who did three tours in Vietnam and was a total badass), told us the story of how, as a child, he went to see Gone with the Wind three times just to hear that line.
"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 14, 2025 02:02 PM (PzXaK)
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My high school history teacher, Mr. Ronald Holmes (who did three tours in Vietnam and was a total badass), told us the story of how, as a child, he went to see Gone with the Wind three times just to hear that line.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:03 PM (GBKbO)
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You'll hire the most clean and sane looking kid you can to fill a role, and they do the minimum work, spend as much time slacking and on the phone as they can get away with, and suddenly after a couple days just don't show up because they weren't feeling it any more or decided they wanted to play Call of Duty that day, or just decided they didn't want to be a "wage slave."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (dfIr7)
Follow your dream...
Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life...
You only live once...
Then they decide to become an 'influencer' or OF 'model'.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (dfIr7)
Follow your dream...
Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life...
You only live once...
Then they decide to become an 'influencer' or OF 'model'.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 02:03 PM (ExV1e)
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Universities were complicit in blowing up student debt beyond all reason.
Now they're upset they're being called to account?
Cry me a river.
Now they're upset they're being called to account?
Cry me a river.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 02:03 PM (tT6L1)
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I read it and was shocked to learn that the most famous lines "It is a far, far better thing" are almost the final words of the book. Like...there may be one sentence after it.
I knew it was coming. But it kept not coming. I was confused.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (GBKbO)
"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 14, 2025 02:02 PM (PzXaK)
Free Bird !
I knew it was coming. But it kept not coming. I was confused.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (GBKbO)
"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 14, 2025 02:02 PM (PzXaK)
Free Bird !
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 14, 2025 02:04 PM (NtVYv)
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An Ivy League prof I know hired some of his post-grad students to put up some siding on his house. We were outside watching the progress of the work. One of the guys would reach into his nail pouch, pull out a nail and drive it in. But the next nail he tossed in the trash bin. This went on for a while until my friend hollered, "Hey, why are you throwing out half the nails?" The kid said, "The points are on the wrong end!"
My professor friend replied, "You dummy! Those are for the other side of the house!"
My professor friend replied, "You dummy! Those are for the other side of the house!"
Posted by: muldoon at July 14, 2025 02:04 PM (poXs5)
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I volunteered at a literacy center. I gave the people that came to it credit because they realized they had missed out on something and were trying to address it.
For the ones that graduated with an HS diploma is was always a similiar story - a little cheating and you were good because no one cared or really even noticed that he/she couldn't read.
It was enough to make one very, very cynical about just how many of those self-proclaimed dedicated teachers are...
For the ones that graduated with an HS diploma is was always a similiar story - a little cheating and you were good because no one cared or really even noticed that he/she couldn't read.
It was enough to make one very, very cynical about just how many of those self-proclaimed dedicated teachers are...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 02:04 PM (t0Rmr)
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it is something of an endorsement of the girls creativity and determination that she found some way to get her homework done without reading, everyboy should have the ability to read but she found an impressive work around
Posted by: n at July 14, 2025 02:04 PM (Ji1au)
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https://chestertonschoolsnetwork.org/
oh this is a wonderful idea!
also the DP has always sucked and been a marxist rag
oh this is a wonderful idea!
also the DP has always sucked and been a marxist rag
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 14, 2025 02:05 PM (Pv3Rg)
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My take:
University ought not simply teach. It must advance the body of knowledge in material ways.
Otherwise it's a high school.
University ought not simply teach. It must advance the body of knowledge in material ways.
Otherwise it's a high school.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 14, 2025 02:05 PM (PzXaK)
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Hard to see how a big budget, high concept blockbuster could go so wrong. Actually, it's not hard to see at all.
Its one of the worst failures of a concept I've ever seen on film. It could have been great, it had some great ideas, but the execution was absolutely terrible. I really liked Frankenstein but having his skull flopping around every movement was incredibly distracting and annoying for example.
That ending sequence of people leaping around on wires having a battle was the worst action scene I have ever witnessed. It was everything wrong with early CGI fest stuff.
Its one of the worst failures of a concept I've ever seen on film. It could have been great, it had some great ideas, but the execution was absolutely terrible. I really liked Frankenstein but having his skull flopping around every movement was incredibly distracting and annoying for example.
That ending sequence of people leaping around on wires having a battle was the worst action scene I have ever witnessed. It was everything wrong with early CGI fest stuff.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:05 PM (dfIr7)
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182 Winston Churchill wrote that every young man should learn English, Latin as a matter of course, and Greek as a treat.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 14, 2025 02:05 PM (gm9Sb)
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My high school history teacher, Mr. Ronald Holmes (who did three tours in Vietnam and was a total badass), told us the story of how, as a child, he went to see Gone with the Wind three times just to hear that line.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:03 PM (GBKbO)
I bet when he left the theater that first time he said, "I'll be back".
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:03 PM (GBKbO)
I bet when he left the theater that first time he said, "I'll be back".
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2025 02:05 PM (Qr870)
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And thirdly, Van Helsing is an awesome movie
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at July 14, 2025 02:05 PM (Ch4Qk)
Posted by: Last Stop in Dipshitville at July 14, 2025 02:05 PM (qUkBO)
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I'm on time and properly dressed every day. I spend a solid 90% of my day at work actually DOING work.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 14, 2025 01:24 PM (fCgdX)
So what you're saying is, your employer learned management in the military, where the SOP is to find the one or two soldiers in the shop who aren't totally incompetent and work them to death.
I'm on time and properly dressed every day. I spend a solid 90% of my day at work actually DOING work.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 14, 2025 01:24 PM (fCgdX)
So what you're saying is, your employer learned management in the military, where the SOP is to find the one or two soldiers in the shop who aren't totally incompetent and work them to death.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 14, 2025 02:05 PM (y9nCu)
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"Professor Squirrel told me there was not a single copy of anything Freeman Dyson wrote in his entire University system. Amazingly sad."
Modern educational consensus:
Freeman Dyson was a fag and all his shit is retarded.
Modern educational consensus:
Freeman Dyson was a fag and all his shit is retarded.
Posted by: pawn at July 14, 2025 02:06 PM (QB+5g)
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In my own personal experience I've had more good male managers then female, but I've had good female managers as well.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:42 PM (t0Rmr)
I currently have a female manager. She's okay. The only real issue I have with her is that she won't hear me when I tell her that the current fetish of "show your direct reports that you CARE about them" really isn't necessary for me.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:42 PM (t0Rmr)
I currently have a female manager. She's okay. The only real issue I have with her is that she won't hear me when I tell her that the current fetish of "show your direct reports that you CARE about them" really isn't necessary for me.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 02:06 PM (ExV1e)
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Faggot Shitass and the White Oppressor of Hate
Heather Scissors Her Sister
It's OK to Be a Pedo
Black and a Victim
Molester Marvin's Happy Place
+++
What about me?
Posted by: Chester The Molester
Since when are high schoolers reading Hustler?
Heather Scissors Her Sister
It's OK to Be a Pedo
Black and a Victim
Molester Marvin's Happy Place
+++
What about me?
Posted by: Chester The Molester
Since when are high schoolers reading Hustler?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 02:06 PM (+bLMA)
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I'm so glad that my son, who graduated college in 2023, isn't like the grads described here.
Posted by: Bulg at July 14, 2025 02:06 PM (77rzZ)
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books from that time period were like a companion you sat down with and enjoyed over time rather than a story you wanted to follow.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Books from that time, including (especially) Dickens's, were serialized. Each chapter would be savored, or devoured, possibly out loud with company, with great anticipation for the next.
books from that time period were like a companion you sat down with and enjoyed over time rather than a story you wanted to follow.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Books from that time, including (especially) Dickens's, were serialized. Each chapter would be savored, or devoured, possibly out loud with company, with great anticipation for the next.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 14, 2025 02:06 PM (xp7+v)
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212 And thirdly, Van Helsing is an awesome movie
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at July 14, 2025 02:05 PM (Ch4Qk)
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I get a kick out of it.
Sommers has this childish energy that I find amusing to some degree.
But dude really needed a cowriter.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at July 14, 2025 02:05 PM (Ch4Qk)
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I get a kick out of it.
Sommers has this childish energy that I find amusing to some degree.
But dude really needed a cowriter.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:06 PM (GBKbO)
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It was not uncommon for upper class children in 17th and 18th century England to master Latin, Greek, Hebrew and Middle English by the time they were early teens. Seriously. You were expected to read the Classics, the Old Testament and Chaucer in the orginals in your teens. When you went to Oxford or Cambridge, many classes were taught in Latin.
Compare that to today, when 20-year-olds are illiterate in English.
Posted by: zombie at July 14, 2025 02:00 PM (pMi6S)
There was a book written in the '80s called "Amusing Ourselves to Death" which talks about this.
Lays most of the blame on the shift from written word to audible word to visual stimulation (ie: books to radio to TV) and how the medium we use to interact with information entirely re-wires our brain.
Interesting hypothesis, and I'm sure much has been or will be written about the current medium of tiktok and twitter headlines.
Compare that to today, when 20-year-olds are illiterate in English.
Posted by: zombie at July 14, 2025 02:00 PM (pMi6S)
There was a book written in the '80s called "Amusing Ourselves to Death" which talks about this.
Lays most of the blame on the shift from written word to audible word to visual stimulation (ie: books to radio to TV) and how the medium we use to interact with information entirely re-wires our brain.
Interesting hypothesis, and I'm sure much has been or will be written about the current medium of tiktok and twitter headlines.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 02:06 PM (uCjyK)
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Because schools aren't there to teach subjects anymore they are there to teach leftardism. They want people dumb and it's working.
dumb is fine it is that they are decivilized which is the thing,
dumb is fine it is that they are decivilized which is the thing,
Posted by: n at July 14, 2025 02:07 PM (3GGcJ)
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There were definitely some books we had to read in high school english that bored the living Hell out of me. Just had to grind through them. I imagine I'd get a lot more out of some of them 50 years later.
But the Canterbury Tales was lit af.
But the Canterbury Tales was lit af.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 14, 2025 02:07 PM (wtvvX)
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I'll defend 'A Tale of Two Cities'. It can wordy in places, though how you tell Dickens 'cut it short' I don't know. But I thought it was intricate with a large cast of distinct characters and there are some very noble sentiments in it.
Also fuck the French.
Also fuck the French.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 02:07 PM (xcxpd)
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And thirdly, Van Helsing is an awesome movie
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at July 14, 2025 02:05 PM (Ch4Qk)
Any film that has Kate Beckinsale in painted-on leather or latex is by definition an awesome movie.
And thirdly, Van Helsing is an awesome movie
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at July 14, 2025 02:05 PM (Ch4Qk)
Any film that has Kate Beckinsale in painted-on leather or latex is by definition an awesome movie.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 14, 2025 02:07 PM (y9nCu)
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I currently have a female manager. She's okay. The only real issue I have with her is that she won't hear me when I tell her that the current fetish of "show your direct reports that you CARE about them" really isn't necessary for me.
So the dark answer to this is that you don't have to actually care, but if you are able to fake it it will have the same employee retention effect.
So the dark answer to this is that you don't have to actually care, but if you are able to fake it it will have the same employee retention effect.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 02:07 PM (t0Rmr)
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I'm so glad that my son, who graduated college in 2023, isn't like the grads described here.
Posted by: Bulg
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How did he manage it?
I'm so glad that my son, who graduated college in 2023, isn't like the grads described here.
Posted by: Bulg
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How did he manage it?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 14, 2025 02:07 PM (xp7+v)
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 14, 2025 02:08 PM (PzXaK)
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I saw Van Helsing last night. Saw it 20 years ago and forgot about it. Now I remember why. Hard to see how a big budget, high concept blockbuster could go so wrong. Actually, it's not hard to see at all.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (iFTx/)
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Stephen Sommers was a thing for like 5 minutes.
Van Helsing ended that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:00 PM (GBKbO)
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Well, maybe more than 5 minutes. The Mummy and all ...
I also thought Deep Rising was quite good for what it was.
But VH was a total misfire.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 01:59 PM (iFTx/)
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Stephen Sommers was a thing for like 5 minutes.
Van Helsing ended that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:00 PM (GBKbO)
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Well, maybe more than 5 minutes. The Mummy and all ...
I also thought Deep Rising was quite good for what it was.
But VH was a total misfire.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 02:08 PM (iFTx/)
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Freeman Dyson was a fag and all his shit is retarded.
Posted by: pawn at July 14, 2025 02:06 PM (QB+5g)
He sucked
Posted by: pawn at July 14, 2025 02:06 PM (QB+5g)
He sucked
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2025 02:08 PM (Qr870)
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229 Well, maybe more than 5 minutes. The Mummy and all ...
I also thought Deep Rising was quite good for what it was.
But VH was a total misfire.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 02:08 PM (iFTx/)
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It was The Mummy Returns that really ended things. It just made too much money for people to realize at the time.
I also thought Deep Rising was quite good for what it was.
But VH was a total misfire.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 02:08 PM (iFTx/)
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It was The Mummy Returns that really ended things. It just made too much money for people to realize at the time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:09 PM (GBKbO)
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When I was in HS we had to read War and Peace...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 02:09 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 14, 2025 02:09 PM (PzXaK)
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"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 14, 2025 02:02 PM (PzXaK)
I've heard that Selznick had a real fight with the censors to keep that line in.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 14, 2025 02:02 PM (PzXaK)
I've heard that Selznick had a real fight with the censors to keep that line in.
Posted by: Bulg at July 14, 2025 02:09 PM (77rzZ)
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"I don't have any idea how people find stuff in my books that I never put there" --- Kurt Vonnegut
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2025 02:09 PM (RHGPo)
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dumb is fine it is that they are decivilized which is the thing,
Posted by: n at July 14, 2025 02:07 PM (3GGcJ
That's fair.
Posted by: n at July 14, 2025 02:07 PM (3GGcJ
That's fair.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2025 02:09 PM (Qr870)
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2025 02:09 PM (fV+MH)
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An Ivy League prof I know hired some of his post-grad students to put up some siding on his house. We were outside watching the progress of the work. One of the guys would reach into his nail pouch, pull out a nail and drive it in. But the next nail he tossed in the trash bin. This went on for a while until my friend hollered, "Hey, why are you throwing out half the nails?" The kid said, "The points are on the wrong end!"
My professor friend replied, "You dummy! Those are for the other side of the house!"
Posted by: muldoon
Thanks, Moe.
Posted by: Curly
My professor friend replied, "You dummy! Those are for the other side of the house!"
Posted by: muldoon
Thanks, Moe.
Posted by: Curly
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 02:09 PM (+bLMA)
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the nice thing is if youre fond of what internets did for education , your going to love ai
Posted by: n at July 14, 2025 02:09 PM (lwxOY)
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"I saw Van Helsing last night. Saw it 20 years ago and forgot about it. Now I remember why. Hard to see how a big budget, high concept blockbuster could go so wrong. Actually, it's not hard to see at all."
I watched "Nosferatu" last night and for some reason was reminded of that abortion of a movie. The guy playing Dracula-which is one of the coolest characters when played right-hammed it up so bad he deserved a stake in the heart
I watched "Nosferatu" last night and for some reason was reminded of that abortion of a movie. The guy playing Dracula-which is one of the coolest characters when played right-hammed it up so bad he deserved a stake in the heart
Posted by: UGAdawg at July 14, 2025 02:10 PM (xP8uf)
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Books from that time, including (especially) Dickens's, were serialized. Each chapter would be savored, or devoured, possibly out loud with company, with great anticipation for the next.
There were fewer things to distract you back then. I found that out when our power went out one winter: I spent most of the day cleaning and reading by daylight near the window, then sleeping from sundown to sunup. It was slower and more relaxing and I would savor the book more.
https://youtu.be/3KbTO13pFN4
There were fewer things to distract you back then. I found that out when our power went out one winter: I spent most of the day cleaning and reading by daylight near the window, then sleeping from sundown to sunup. It was slower and more relaxing and I would savor the book more.
https://youtu.be/3KbTO13pFN4
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:10 PM (dfIr7)
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In a lot of forward looking dystopian novels the government makes it so the plebes can't read works that oppose the government's efforts - 1984 being the most extreme example.
But it turns out the government, or more accurately the people that control the government, can get the same impact by just distracting people 24/7.
And the amazing thing is they succeed in this more with people that don't work then with people that do. I can see how TikTok or the like can be addicting, but there are people that literally spend all day on it and come away knowing nothing of value.
But it turns out the government, or more accurately the people that control the government, can get the same impact by just distracting people 24/7.
And the amazing thing is they succeed in this more with people that don't work then with people that do. I can see how TikTok or the like can be addicting, but there are people that literally spend all day on it and come away knowing nothing of value.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 02:10 PM (t0Rmr)
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"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 14, 2025 02:02 PM (PzXaK)
I've heard that Selznick had a real fight with the censors to keep that line in.
Posted by: Bulg
In 1939? Oh yeah.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 14, 2025 02:02 PM (PzXaK)
I've heard that Selznick had a real fight with the censors to keep that line in.
Posted by: Bulg
In 1939? Oh yeah.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 02:10 PM (+bLMA)
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239 the nice thing is if youre fond of what internets did for education , your going to love ai
Posted by: n at July 14, 2025 02:09 PM (lwxOY)
It's already happening. "Chat GPT, summarize the book Gone With the Wind for me, and write an essay about it in the voice of an 11th grade student, based on the following prompt:" (then copy and paste the assignment from the teacher in to ChatGPT)
Posted by: n at July 14, 2025 02:09 PM (lwxOY)
It's already happening. "Chat GPT, summarize the book Gone With the Wind for me, and write an essay about it in the voice of an 11th grade student, based on the following prompt:" (then copy and paste the assignment from the teacher in to ChatGPT)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 02:11 PM (uCjyK)
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243 "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 14, 2025 02:02 PM (PzXaK)
I've heard that Selznick had a real fight with the censors to keep that line in.
Posted by: Bulg
In 1939? Oh yeah.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 02:10 PM (+bLMA)
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"I AM THE LARGEST INDEPENDENT PRODUCER ON THE PLANET AND I'M HIGH ON THE 30S VERSION OF COCAINE!!!!! YOU WILL BEND TO MY WILL, YOU FUCKERS!"
-David O. Selznick, transcript of meeting with the Hays Office
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 14, 2025 02:02 PM (PzXaK)
I've heard that Selznick had a real fight with the censors to keep that line in.
Posted by: Bulg
In 1939? Oh yeah.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 02:10 PM (+bLMA)
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"I AM THE LARGEST INDEPENDENT PRODUCER ON THE PLANET AND I'M HIGH ON THE 30S VERSION OF COCAINE!!!!! YOU WILL BEND TO MY WILL, YOU FUCKERS!"
-David O. Selznick, transcript of meeting with the Hays Office
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:11 PM (GBKbO)
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End result: The United States has no future. Entire generations are lost.
Posted by: zombie
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Consolation: if it's happening here, it's happening everywhere, so we'll all go down the toilet at the same time.
End result: The United States has no future. Entire generations are lost.
Posted by: zombie
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Consolation: if it's happening here, it's happening everywhere, so we'll all go down the toilet at the same time.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 14, 2025 02:12 PM (xp7+v)
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Interesting hypothesis, and I'm sure much has been or will be written about the current medium of tiktok and twitter headlines.
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Maybe someone will do a youtube video about it.
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Maybe someone will do a youtube video about it.
Posted by: Methos at July 14, 2025 02:12 PM (zLwRl)
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How did he manage it?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
I'd like to think it's his awesome parents!
But, seriously, he's always been pretty driven. It sometimes takes him awhile to make up his mind, but, once he's done so, he's all-in. Very determined and goal-oriented.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
I'd like to think it's his awesome parents!
But, seriously, he's always been pretty driven. It sometimes takes him awhile to make up his mind, but, once he's done so, he's all-in. Very determined and goal-oriented.
Posted by: Bulg at July 14, 2025 02:12 PM (77rzZ)
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A Tale of Two Cities is quite a slog.
But you have to have read that to know that.
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2025 01:57 PM (fV+MH)
But SOOOOOO much better than Great Expectations.
Great Expectations was my first Dickens book and I wouldn't have read another if ToTC wasn't required for a class.
But you have to have read that to know that.
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2025 01:57 PM (fV+MH)
But SOOOOOO much better than Great Expectations.
Great Expectations was my first Dickens book and I wouldn't have read another if ToTC wasn't required for a class.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 14, 2025 02:12 PM (N1DT3)
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"I don't have any idea how people find stuff in my books that I never put there" --- Kurt Vonnegut
yeah that is one of the more amusing parts of being an author. Well, that wasn't what I was doing or meant but hey you have fun with that.
yeah that is one of the more amusing parts of being an author. Well, that wasn't what I was doing or meant but hey you have fun with that.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:12 PM (dfIr7)
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Maybe AI is showing a major flaw in our school curriculums.
Because what AI can't do is think, but students aren't asked to do that.
Because what AI can't do is think, but students aren't asked to do that.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2025 02:12 PM (Qr870)
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"I don't have any idea how people find stuff in my books that I never put there" --- Kurt Vonnegut
He should talk with Joss Whedon and Alan Moore
He should talk with Joss Whedon and Alan Moore
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 02:13 PM (t0Rmr)
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I've heard that Selznick had a real fight with the censors to keep that line in.
I swear that the TV version had "darn" there, but that might just be a false memory.
I swear that the TV version had "darn" there, but that might just be a false memory.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:13 PM (dfIr7)
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Thornton Melon: [chuckling to his classmates] Good teacher. He really seems to care. About what I have no idea.
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2025 02:13 PM (RHGPo)
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My high school history teacher, Mr. Ronald Holmes (who did three tours in Vietnam and was a total badass), told us the story of how, as a child, he went to see Gone with the Wind three times just to hear that line.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:03 PM (GBKbO)
Did he know Professor Terguson?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:03 PM (GBKbO)
Did he know Professor Terguson?
Posted by: Thornton Melon at July 14, 2025 02:13 PM (wVcYX)
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251 Maybe AI is showing a major flaw in our school curriculums.
Because what AI can't do is think, but students aren't asked to do that.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2025 02:12 PM (Qr870)
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Junior has to handwrite summaries of what he read every day this summer.
His Rome prep today was using the map of the city to trace routes from several places to others.
Because what AI can't do is think, but students aren't asked to do that.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2025 02:12 PM (Qr870)
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Junior has to handwrite summaries of what he read every day this summer.
His Rome prep today was using the map of the city to trace routes from several places to others.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:13 PM (GBKbO)
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Today it's the internet that allows students not to have to read books. In my day it was Cliff Notes.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 02:13 PM (VofaG)
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Going to college to get a degree in English or some such is idiotic...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:48 PM (t0Rmr)
Some people are bookish... it's fine. I remember choosing "Dickens and the novel of protest" for my senior thesis in HS and my English teacher telling me that she looked forward to reading what I had to say since she'd written her doctoral thesis on it. She was a good teacher. I learned a lot from her - not that, she was pretty old.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:48 PM (t0Rmr)
Some people are bookish... it's fine. I remember choosing "Dickens and the novel of protest" for my senior thesis in HS and my English teacher telling me that she looked forward to reading what I had to say since she'd written her doctoral thesis on it. She was a good teacher. I learned a lot from her - not that, she was pretty old.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 02:14 PM (ExV1e)
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"I'll defend 'A Tale of Two Cities'. It can wordy in places, though how you tell Dickens 'cut it short' I don't know. But I thought it was intricate with a large cast of distinct characters and there are some very noble sentiments in it.
Also fuck the French.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards"
The dialogue between the father and the daughter was just too maudlin for me. And then when the father regressed back into crazy town I said "see ya".
Also fuck the French.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards"
The dialogue between the father and the daughter was just too maudlin for me. And then when the father regressed back into crazy town I said "see ya".
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2025 02:14 PM (fV+MH)
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258 Going to college to get a degree in English or some such is idiotic...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:48 PM (t0Rmr)
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I feel seen...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 01:48 PM (t0Rmr)
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I feel seen...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:14 PM (GBKbO)
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End result: The United States has no future. Entire generations are lost.
Posted by: zombie
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Consolation: if it's happening here, it's happening everywhere, so we'll all go down the toilet at the same time.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
Solution?
Ground pounding world war to thin the ranks. Won't need as much deadwood hanging around.
Posted by: zombie
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Consolation: if it's happening here, it's happening everywhere, so we'll all go down the toilet at the same time.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
Solution?
Ground pounding world war to thin the ranks. Won't need as much deadwood hanging around.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 02:14 PM (+bLMA)
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So its a book thread now?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:14 PM (dfIr7)
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Here is a ChatGPT 5 Sentence Summary of GWTW...
Gone with the Wind follows Scarlett O’Hara, a headstrong Southern belle, whose life is upended by the American Civil War and its aftermath. As her family’s plantation, Tara, suffers from the war’s destruction, Scarlett uses cunning and determination to survive and rebuild. She obsessively pursues Ashley Wilkes, despite his marriage to gentle Melanie, while constantly clashing with the dashing and pragmatic Rhett Butler. Scarlett eventually marries Rhett, but her selfishness and emotional blindness drive him away. In the end, after Melanie dies and Ashley is free, Scarlett realizes too late that she loved Rhett all along — but vows to win him back with the iconic line, "Tomorrow is another day."
Gone with the Wind follows Scarlett O’Hara, a headstrong Southern belle, whose life is upended by the American Civil War and its aftermath. As her family’s plantation, Tara, suffers from the war’s destruction, Scarlett uses cunning and determination to survive and rebuild. She obsessively pursues Ashley Wilkes, despite his marriage to gentle Melanie, while constantly clashing with the dashing and pragmatic Rhett Butler. Scarlett eventually marries Rhett, but her selfishness and emotional blindness drive him away. In the end, after Melanie dies and Ashley is free, Scarlett realizes too late that she loved Rhett all along — but vows to win him back with the iconic line, "Tomorrow is another day."
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 02:14 PM (XV/Pl)
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Maybe AI is showing a major flaw in our school curriculums.
Because what AI can't do is think, but students aren't asked to do that.
Occasionally I'll hear about a teacher who will make his students argue the other side in a debate format to make sure they actually understand the issue at hand.
It usually generates a lot of outrage, but this is one of the easiest ways to force people to actually THINK that comes to mind.
Because what AI can't do is think, but students aren't asked to do that.
Occasionally I'll hear about a teacher who will make his students argue the other side in a debate format to make sure they actually understand the issue at hand.
It usually generates a lot of outrage, but this is one of the easiest ways to force people to actually THINK that comes to mind.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 02:14 PM (t0Rmr)
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I watched "Nosferatu" last night and for some reason was reminded of that abortion of a movie. The guy playing Dracula-which is one of the coolest characters when played right-hammed it up so bad he deserved a stake in the heart
Posted by: UGAdawg
The 1922 original is genuinely creepy.
Posted by: UGAdawg
The 1922 original is genuinely creepy.
Posted by: Bulg at July 14, 2025 02:14 PM (77rzZ)
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254 Thornton Melon: [chuckling to his classmates] Good teacher. He really seems to care. About what I have no idea.
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2025 02:13 PM (RHGPo)
Love that movie.. They mis cast the Son though in my opinion... Or the girlfriend...
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2025 02:13 PM (RHGPo)
Love that movie.. They mis cast the Son though in my opinion... Or the girlfriend...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 02:14 PM (VE6XX)
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Why would changing the spelling of a word bother anyone on the Left? They routinely change the meaning of words, sometimes in the middle of the same conversation. A conservative peaceful 'Protest' becomes an 'Insurrection'. Liberals burning down half the city becomes "Mostly Peaceful"
Their free speech means I have to listen to everything they say, without any comment. My free speech means they can shout be down any time they like.
Apparently, someone gave them the Gaia given right to control the language. Misspelling? Hah!
Their free speech means I have to listen to everything they say, without any comment. My free speech means they can shout be down any time they like.
Apparently, someone gave them the Gaia given right to control the language. Misspelling? Hah!
Posted by: JB1000 at July 14, 2025 02:14 PM (UP8/b)
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Lays most of the blame on the shift from written word to audible word to visual stimulation (ie: books to radio to TV)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 02:06 PM (uCjyK)
I started reading before kindergarten in the late 60s. Which is how I quickly realized that American TV has always had the IQ of a steaming pile of monkey crap.
On the other hand, Japanese superheros like Kikaida or Ultraman were teh awesome.
Lays most of the blame on the shift from written word to audible word to visual stimulation (ie: books to radio to TV)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 02:06 PM (uCjyK)
I started reading before kindergarten in the late 60s. Which is how I quickly realized that American TV has always had the IQ of a steaming pile of monkey crap.
On the other hand, Japanese superheros like Kikaida or Ultraman were teh awesome.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (y9nCu)
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"I don't have any idea how people find stuff in my books that I never put there" --- Kurt Vonnegut
yeah that is one of the more amusing parts of being an author. Well, that wasn't what I was doing or meant but hey you have fun with that.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:12 PM (dfIr7)
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I think good writers have a keen grasp of human nature and story. So a good story with good characters will have things that resonate with readers even if the writer didn't deliberately put them in.
yeah that is one of the more amusing parts of being an author. Well, that wasn't what I was doing or meant but hey you have fun with that.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:12 PM (dfIr7)
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I think good writers have a keen grasp of human nature and story. So a good story with good characters will have things that resonate with readers even if the writer didn't deliberately put them in.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (iFTx/)
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I wrote a qualitative safety analysis for a project that installed some non-essential systems and equipment, and asked for some review and comment before sending it out for approval. The company's Director of Engineering provided his feedback that was obviously some AI generated argle bargle.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (3Ope8)
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re 74: i've read 'Ulysses' - have you?
Posted by: gnats local 678 at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (CWTWj)
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270 I wrote a qualitative safety analysis for a project that installed some non-essential systems and equipment, and asked for some review and comment before sending it out for approval. The company's Director of Engineering provided his feedback that was obviously some AI generated argle bargle.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (3Ope
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I use AI to write my self-assessments for HR.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (3Ope
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I use AI to write my self-assessments for HR.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (GBKbO)
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Quick show of hands -- how many Morons and 'Ettes are English Majors? 
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the English Major at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (PiwSw)
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271 re 74: i've read 'Ulysses' - have you?
Posted by: gnats local 678 at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (CWTWj)
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I have!
Twice!
I kind of got it the second time.
Posted by: gnats local 678 at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (CWTWj)
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I have!
Twice!
I kind of got it the second time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (GBKbO)
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Surface Mount Fixtures suck ass.
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:51 PM (Bi+MU)
I work on the printers, ovens and pick & place machines. Crazy high tech stuff.
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:51 PM (Bi+MU)
I work on the printers, ovens and pick & place machines. Crazy high tech stuff.
Posted by: Reforger at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (lPvx2)
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Let's not pretend that these little mouthbreathing homunculi would all turn into men and women of letters if they just paid a little more attention in class or had teachers who weren't all slinging dildoes around and cornholing anything that stops moving for three seconds.
It would definitely be less effective than sending them to the Mines as children.
Make Child Labor Great Again.
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:34 PM (Bi+MU)
The Dignity Canal isn't going to dig itself.
It would definitely be less effective than sending them to the Mines as children.
Make Child Labor Great Again.
Posted by: garrett at July 14, 2025 01:34 PM (Bi+MU)
The Dignity Canal isn't going to dig itself.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 14, 2025 02:17 PM (g8Ew8)
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In the end, after Melanie dies and Ashley is free, Scarlett realizes too late that she loved Rhett all along — but vows to win him back with the iconic line, "Tomorrow is another day."
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 02:14 PM (XV/Pl)
It was fine until that last part. Or did I totally miss that as how Scarlett felt?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 02:14 PM (XV/Pl)
It was fine until that last part. Or did I totally miss that as how Scarlett felt?
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 02:17 PM (VofaG)
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I thought it was a book thread.
Posted by: Trying to keep up at July 14, 2025 02:18 PM (bcy1V)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (GBKbO)
*snort* Ok, that's pretty damn funny!
*snort* Ok, that's pretty damn funny!
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at July 14, 2025 02:18 PM (3Ope8)
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If 30+ years of listening to Conservative, Inc. and the Republicans have taught me anything is that tax cuts, vouchers, charter schools and tax cuts will fix all these issues.
Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at July 14, 2025 02:18 PM (V362x)
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I think we can give a big shout out to Bill
Gates who pushed Common Core. He probably should be jailed just for that. Second look at bill of attainders.
Gates who pushed Common Core. He probably should be jailed just for that. Second look at bill of attainders.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at July 14, 2025 02:18 PM (Vh9CX)
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Ground pounding world war to thin the ranks. Won't need as much deadwood hanging around.
As we can see in Europe now, the problem with war as a social tool is that it only kills the warriors. We need an invasion of aliens or some ghastly catastrophe like a meteor swarm wiping out half of the world's cities.
As we can see in Europe now, the problem with war as a social tool is that it only kills the warriors. We need an invasion of aliens or some ghastly catastrophe like a meteor swarm wiping out half of the world's cities.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:18 PM (dfIr7)
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@122
>>Surface Mount Fixtures suck ass.
Actually, if you have an air station, SMT and the like are not really a big problem.
>>Surface Mount Fixtures suck ass.
Actually, if you have an air station, SMT and the like are not really a big problem.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 02:19 PM (XV/Pl)
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Kill the wabbit!
Posted by: Elmer Fudd at July 14, 2025 02:19 PM (wVcYX)
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I thought it was a book thread.
Posted by: Trying to keep up at July 14, 2025 02:18 PM (bcy1V)
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Since we don't read anything from celebrated far left authors, this doesn't count.
/NPC's everywhere.
Posted by: Trying to keep up at July 14, 2025 02:18 PM (bcy1V)
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Since we don't read anything from celebrated far left authors, this doesn't count.
/NPC's everywhere.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 02:19 PM (tT6L1)
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Mixed bag, IMO. Each generation is loaded with dumbasses and hard working, curious people. I have a kid that graduated a couple years ago from an East Coast, liberal, "elite," college. Hard worker, quotes Russian authors - likes reading. Pre-med, and English, btw. Works 70 hour weeks. Other kid just finished masters - has a job lined up. See plenty of the other side too. Heading into an interview shortly with a Gen Z, will see how that goes!
Posted by: scampydog at July 14, 2025 02:19 PM (2bFN5)
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Only about 1/4 really isn't very high. What does it say about the other 3/4? I'd guess:
* Just care about DEI
* Hiring managers were just as unprepared for the workforce - and haven't improved
* Just care if they can get the answers to all the "gotcha" questions right
* Sees actually being competent and capable as a threat to their own position
* Just care if they're a good enough ass-kisser
* They are only hiring people who have the right connections anyway - knowledge and skills are irrelevant
* "Taking the initiative" just means "not standing around waiting to be told what to do". Can't have that.
* Just care about DEI
* Hiring managers were just as unprepared for the workforce - and haven't improved
* Just care if they can get the answers to all the "gotcha" questions right
* Sees actually being competent and capable as a threat to their own position
* Just care if they're a good enough ass-kisser
* They are only hiring people who have the right connections anyway - knowledge and skills are irrelevant
* "Taking the initiative" just means "not standing around waiting to be told what to do". Can't have that.
Posted by: MrExcitement at July 14, 2025 02:19 PM (hOOi9)
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Face it, the H1Bs will be there until the school system can turn out a decent product.
Otherwise the market will shift to places where the educational system turn out qualified people.
We cannot continue our technical superiority in the world the way things are going.
Otherwise the market will shift to places where the educational system turn out qualified people.
We cannot continue our technical superiority in the world the way things are going.
Posted by: pawn at July 14, 2025 02:19 PM (QB+5g)
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Education should be more one on one, outside classrooms, assisted but not driven by tech.
Class instruction should only be a couple of hours a day at most.
One model could be similar to Neal Stephenson's idea in the Diamond Age. A form of AI sets up puzzles or projects for the kid, like game, where they learn stuff by using it.
Class instruction should only be a couple of hours a day at most.
One model could be similar to Neal Stephenson's idea in the Diamond Age. A form of AI sets up puzzles or projects for the kid, like game, where they learn stuff by using it.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at July 14, 2025 02:19 PM (VlUHr)
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I once heard that ancient Greece was the civilizational equivalent of the US in 1910, in areas without electricity.
That they were on the cusp discovering both electricity and steam power.
There's also the weird fact that Oxford was founded before the Aztec Empire was formed.
Anyway, what bothers me most about the current decline, and why I've said the lucky ones will die in the first attacks, is that for a while, you'll remember the way it was but there'll be no one to fix it.
And then there'll be no one who even remembers.
That they were on the cusp discovering both electricity and steam power.
There's also the weird fact that Oxford was founded before the Aztec Empire was formed.
Anyway, what bothers me most about the current decline, and why I've said the lucky ones will die in the first attacks, is that for a while, you'll remember the way it was but there'll be no one to fix it.
And then there'll be no one who even remembers.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (JThEY)
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*smirk*
Posted by: Homeschoolers everywhere at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (bcy1V)
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It's not great.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 01:31 PM
The writing skills I see from our interns, who have supposedly just completed a legal research and writing class, are shockingly bad. I should never see a sentence fragment from someone who finished middle school.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 01:31 PM
The writing skills I see from our interns, who have supposedly just completed a legal research and writing class, are shockingly bad. I should never see a sentence fragment from someone who finished middle school.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (dPfyF)
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Great Expectations was my first Dickens book and I wouldn't have read another if ToTC wasn't required for a class.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
My 5th-grade English class read that book. We read it aloud.
I probably wouldn't have read another Dickens book after that, either, had I not been in the chorus of Oliver! in the 8th grade, which led to my reading Oliver Twist.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
My 5th-grade English class read that book. We read it aloud.
I probably wouldn't have read another Dickens book after that, either, had I not been in the chorus of Oliver! in the 8th grade, which led to my reading Oliver Twist.
Posted by: Bulg at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (77rzZ)
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In the end, after Melanie dies and Ashley is free, Scarlett realizes too late that she loved Rhett all along — but vows to win him back with the iconic line, "Tomorrow is another day."
Posted by: Thomas Bender
have a summary of this comment?
Posted by: Thomas Bender
have a summary of this comment?
Posted by: n at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (XTrKs)
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This is a good as the Kaboom thread! And on a much more important subject!
Posted by: jocon307 at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (EuROc)
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Quick show of hands -- how many Morons and 'Ettes are English Majors?
I got kicked out of college for not going to class. So, no major.
I got kicked out of college for not going to class. So, no major.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (dfIr7)
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As we can see in Europe now, the problem with war as a social tool is that it only kills the warriors. We need an invasion of aliens or some ghastly catastrophe like a meteor swarm wiping out half of the world's cities.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:18 PM (dfIr7)
I'm on my way.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:18 PM (dfIr7)
I'm on my way.
Posted by: Apophis at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (lPvx2)
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The word "elite" seems wildly misplaced in that sentence.
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I've been bothered by that for ages now. To me, the word means the 1927 Yankees or the Navy Seals. Now, it means some, apparently, with weird colored hair.
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I've been bothered by that for ages now. To me, the word means the 1927 Yankees or the Navy Seals. Now, it means some, apparently, with weird colored hair.
Posted by: Eeyore at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (od0dV)
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"I don't have any idea how people find stuff in my books that I never put there" --- Kurt Vonnegut
Diane: Whoever *did* write this doesn't know the first thing about Kurt Vonnegut!
"I don't have any idea how people find stuff in my books that I never put there" --- Kurt Vonnegut
Diane: Whoever *did* write this doesn't know the first thing about Kurt Vonnegut!
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (y9nCu)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (dfIr7)
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"I don't have any idea how people find stuff in my books that I never put there" --- Kurt Vonnegut
Diane: Whoever *did* write this doesn't know the first thing about Kurt Vonnegut!
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (y9nCu)
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You guys fight over that.
I'm going to finish my treatise about the hidden meaning of The Tale of Scrotie McBoogerballs.
"I don't have any idea how people find stuff in my books that I never put there" --- Kurt Vonnegut
Diane: Whoever *did* write this doesn't know the first thing about Kurt Vonnegut!
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (y9nCu)
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You guys fight over that.
I'm going to finish my treatise about the hidden meaning of The Tale of Scrotie McBoogerballs.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:21 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2025 02:21 PM (6iQ9H)
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i've read 'Ulysses' - have you?
Posted by: gnats local 678 at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (CWTWj)
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I have!
Twice!
I kind of got it the second time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (GBKbO)
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Overrated crap from an era that loved overrated crap
Posted by: gnats local 678 at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (CWTWj)
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I have!
Twice!
I kind of got it the second time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (GBKbO)
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Overrated crap from an era that loved overrated crap
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (iFTx/)
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300 have a summary of this comment?
Scarlett was an awful spoiled bitch
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (dfIr7)
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And the men of the South would have cut off their own balls to get her attention.
Scarlett was an awful spoiled bitch
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (dfIr7)
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And the men of the South would have cut off their own balls to get her attention.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (GBKbO)
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Anyway, what bothers me most about the current decline, and why I've said the lucky ones will die in the first attacks, is that for a while, you'll remember the way it was but there'll be no one to fix it.
And then there'll be no one who even remembers.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (JThEY)
Book recommendation: Riddley Walker, by Russell Hoban.
And then there'll be no one who even remembers.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (JThEY)
Book recommendation: Riddley Walker, by Russell Hoban.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the English Major at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (PiwSw)
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The problem? The resolution repeatedly spelled the word "fascism" as "facism."
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That's just facile ...
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That's just facile ...
Posted by: ShainS at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (bDKEL)
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Don't blame the Monster Children for being Monster Children who went to college.
The blame lays with the egg and sperm donors, most of whom should have had vasectomies for the males and whatever you do to a woman to keep her from being a Broodmare.
The blame lays with the egg and sperm donors, most of whom should have had vasectomies for the males and whatever you do to a woman to keep her from being a Broodmare.
Posted by: Snip It and Clip It at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (rfMRc)
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I use AI to write my self-assessments for HR.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (GBKbO)
I've never heard of such an idea.
*shifty eyes*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (GBKbO)
I've never heard of such an idea.
*shifty eyes*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (VlUHr)
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Daughter graduated College... Graphic design..Son.. Nope.. Of the two he is "smarter" just wouldn't do the work
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (VE6XX)
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I started reading before kindergarten in the late 60s. Which is how I quickly realized that American TV has always had the IQ of a steaming pile of monkey crap.
On the other hand, Japanese superheros like Kikaida or Ultraman were teh awesome.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (y9nCu)
The argument is that the format itself can only produce an overwhelming amount of unnecessary information, and that it's primarily visual information.
So for TV news, for example, you have a 3 minute segment on a car accident on the interstate then the newscaster says "and then there's this" and it's a 3 minute segment on people mt Everest, then a series of commercials, etc. etc.
The format doesn't allow for deep thinking and by it's nature overwhelms you with visual stimulus, all of which just overwhelms your brain, which evolved to look at cave drawings then read the written word which causes you to create your own visuals and all of that.
Social media is basically TV but x100.
On the other hand, Japanese superheros like Kikaida or Ultraman were teh awesome.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (y9nCu)
The argument is that the format itself can only produce an overwhelming amount of unnecessary information, and that it's primarily visual information.
So for TV news, for example, you have a 3 minute segment on a car accident on the interstate then the newscaster says "and then there's this" and it's a 3 minute segment on people mt Everest, then a series of commercials, etc. etc.
The format doesn't allow for deep thinking and by it's nature overwhelms you with visual stimulus, all of which just overwhelms your brain, which evolved to look at cave drawings then read the written word which causes you to create your own visuals and all of that.
Social media is basically TV but x100.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (uCjyK)
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On the subject of books, I've been reading a lot of foreign (Japenese and Korean) books lately, but everything I find seems to be fantasy.
Is there any good Sci-Fi out there? I was some spaceships blowing each other up or giant robots or something.
Something like "Ender's Game". Not the later, freaky books that make up the "Saga", but the first one.
Is there any good Sci-Fi out there? I was some spaceships blowing each other up or giant robots or something.
Something like "Ender's Game". Not the later, freaky books that make up the "Saga", but the first one.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (N1DT3)
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'I do not care she is illeterate. She pleases me. Have her bathed and bring her to my chambers.'
-Something Zod has said.
-Something Zod has said.
Posted by: Eromero at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (LHPAg)
314
So glad I homeschooled!
Posted by: Texican ette at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (SNf74)
315
2.1 million people live in Gaza, and a new judicial ruling in France gives every single one of them the right to move to France. If I were Bibi Netanyahu, I would buy every single one of them a plane ticket and wave goodbye as they took their free trip to Paris. If I were a Gazan, I would accept that free ticket and get on the first plane, hoping that the free room and board will allow me to enjoy my time there.
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (6iQ9H)
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As we can see in Europe now, the problem with war as a social tool is that it only kills the warriors. We need an invasion of aliens or some ghastly catastrophe like a meteor swarm wiping out half of the world's cities.
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If you fight by European rules, yeah.
All it takes is one side that goes back to "I'll kill your warriors in order to assimilate your women and take your stuff,' rather than 'let me put my ideology in you' which will be an easier position to sell after the collapse.
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If you fight by European rules, yeah.
All it takes is one side that goes back to "I'll kill your warriors in order to assimilate your women and take your stuff,' rather than 'let me put my ideology in you' which will be an easier position to sell after the collapse.
Posted by: Methos at July 14, 2025 02:23 PM (zLwRl)
318
"Scarlett was an awful spoiled bitch."
And The Wizard of Oz was a story about two women fighting over a pair of shoes.
And The Wizard of Oz was a story about two women fighting over a pair of shoes.
Posted by: Movie Critic wannabe at July 14, 2025 02:23 PM (bcy1V)
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303 Overrated crap from an era that loved overrated crap
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (iFTx/)
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I...appreciate Ulysses. I think that's the best way to put it.
I find emotional meaning in its finale, as showy and opaque as it is.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (iFTx/)
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I...appreciate Ulysses. I think that's the best way to put it.
I find emotional meaning in its finale, as showy and opaque as it is.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:23 PM (GBKbO)
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Quick show of hands -- how many Morons and 'Ettes are English Majors?
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the English Major at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (PiwSw)
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Gigolo
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the English Major at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (PiwSw)
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Gigolo
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 02:23 PM (iFTx/)
321
The opening chapters of Great Expectations are pretty good, though. The graveyard scene at the very beginning is riveting.
Posted by: Bulg at July 14, 2025 02:23 PM (77rzZ)
322
Facism?
Hell even Spell Check flags that.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2025 02:21 PM (6iQ9H)
You should see how they spelled fight
Hell even Spell Check flags that.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2025 02:21 PM (6iQ9H)
You should see how they spelled fight
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2025 02:23 PM (Qr870)
323
i've read 'Ulysses' - have you?
Posted by: gnats local 678 at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (CWTWj)
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I have!
Twice!
I kind of got it the second time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (GBKbO)
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Overrated crap from an era that loved overrated crap
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (iFTx/)
I've watched most of Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? Does that count?
Posted by: gnats local 678 at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (CWTWj)
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I have!
Twice!
I kind of got it the second time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (GBKbO)
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Overrated crap from an era that loved overrated crap
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (iFTx/)
I've watched most of Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? Does that count?
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 14, 2025 02:23 PM (wVcYX)
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I was a Marketing major with intention to work in the Advertising industry.
Ended up an Insurance claims manager for 35 years.
Ended up an Insurance claims manager for 35 years.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 02:23 PM (VofaG)
325
The bigger problem with fixing modern electronics is that you will not have any access to the service manuals or any of the IC's should you need them.
You might be able to look up a part and may be listed as being available, but the chip manufacturer will not sell it to you.
That's pretty much the reason everything is disposable.
You might be able to look up a part and may be listed as being available, but the chip manufacturer will not sell it to you.
That's pretty much the reason everything is disposable.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 02:23 PM (XV/Pl)
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308 I use AI to write my self-assessments for HR.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (GBKbO)
I've never heard of such an idea.
*shifty eyes*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (xcxpd)
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"Copilot, write me a self review that highlights these two projects in a self-critically positive light."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (GBKbO)
I've never heard of such an idea.
*shifty eyes*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (xcxpd)
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"Copilot, write me a self review that highlights these two projects in a self-critically positive light."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:24 PM (GBKbO)
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" I use AI to write my self-assessments for HR.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (GBKbO)
I've never heard of such an idea.
*shifty eyes*"
Unbeliveable!!!!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 02:16 PM (GBKbO)
I've never heard of such an idea.
*shifty eyes*"
Unbeliveable!!!!
Posted by: pawn at July 14, 2025 02:24 PM (QB+5g)
328
Snow Crash and The Diamond Age.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2025 02:24 PM (6iQ9H)
329
Overrated crap from an era that loved overrated crap
Yeah, its been a rough slog trying to read classic celebrated books because too many of them are just... not as good as their reputation, especially early 20th century. Some of them are absolute gems but many are pretentious and awful.
Yeah, its been a rough slog trying to read classic celebrated books because too many of them are just... not as good as their reputation, especially early 20th century. Some of them are absolute gems but many are pretentious and awful.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:24 PM (dfIr7)
330
Kurt Vonnegut in Back to School was a classic bit
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 14, 2025 02:24 PM (Ry3Y5)
331
"lack of preparation, a so-so work ethic, and a sense of entitlement"
So ... 1/4 of hiring managers have a "confession by projection" thing going on...
So ... 1/4 of hiring managers have a "confession by projection" thing going on...
Posted by: MrExcitement at July 14, 2025 02:25 PM (hOOi9)
332
Here's the answer. Scroll down to the part on "the cloister." It's an effective, therefore doomed, solution. But it will probably get a few trials.
https://tinyurl.com/395cwcfu
Here's the answer. Scroll down to the part on "the cloister." It's an effective, therefore doomed, solution. But it will probably get a few trials.
https://tinyurl.com/395cwcfu
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 14, 2025 02:25 PM (xp7+v)
333
Nood. Surplus.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 02:25 PM (ExV1e)
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Something like "Ender's Game". Not the later, freaky books that make up the "Saga", but the first one.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (N1DT3)
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I've been enjoying the Tyrus Rechs series. Who doesn't like a mercenary who's immortal flying around the galaxy blowing stuff up?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 14, 2025 02:22 PM (N1DT3)
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I've been enjoying the Tyrus Rechs series. Who doesn't like a mercenary who's immortal flying around the galaxy blowing stuff up?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 02:25 PM (tT6L1)
335
someboyd who hates dickens should try melville,
Posted by: n at July 14, 2025 02:25 PM (lwxOY)
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324 I was a Marketing major with intention to work in the Advertising industry.
Ended up an Insurance claims manager for 35 years.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 02:23 PM (VofaG)
I've spent my entire 20 professional years in advertising/marketing.
You didn't miss much.
Ended up an Insurance claims manager for 35 years.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 02:23 PM (VofaG)
I've spent my entire 20 professional years in advertising/marketing.
You didn't miss much.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 02:25 PM (KbCG3)
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Is there any good Sci-Fi out there? I was some spaceships blowing each other up or giant robots or something./i]
Check out Control-Alt-Revolt by Nick Cole. I highly recommend. I'll dig through my stuff, there are a few Horde sci fi writers and that's good stuff as well.
Check out Control-Alt-Revolt by Nick Cole. I highly recommend. I'll dig through my stuff, there are a few Horde sci fi writers and that's good stuff as well.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:25 PM (dfIr7)
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@294
>>have a summary of this comment?
Scarlett loses Rhett, realizes love, vows hope: "Tomorrow’s another day."
>>have a summary of this comment?
Scarlett loses Rhett, realizes love, vows hope: "Tomorrow’s another day."
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 02:25 PM (XV/Pl)
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I've watched most of Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? Does that count?
Posted by: Count de Monet
It's the Soggy Bottom Boys!
Posted by: Count de Monet
It's the Soggy Bottom Boys!
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 02:25 PM (+bLMA)
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 02:26 PM (VofaG)
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All I see are phallic symbols.
Posted by: Horny 11th grade English Lit teacher at July 14, 2025 02:26 PM (bcy1V)
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I think most of our problems, and I will be repeating myself, again, is that we smirk at virtue. It's all about how to get ahead, not how to be the best person you can be.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at July 14, 2025 02:26 PM (vd6bO)
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That last part is a killer. It's also why DEI hires/promotions are usually a disaster. Everyone infected with woke is also infected by the comorbidity of believing that all criticism/direction from your boss is a racial or sexual aggression, and that you're perfect the way you are, and that anyone who attempts to instruct you to do the job the right way is a racist who doesn't understand your Different Ways of Knowing.
Can't share details but I know someone personally who was on the receiving end of this. Was a VP or SVP at a BIG company. White guy. Hired a young black woman who fucked something up and he gave her gentle correction. This is a very non-confrontational guy BTW, to the point of being a bit of a pushover. She eventually quit. Then sued alleging, of course, racial discrimination. The corporation settled, being the pussies corporations are. The great irony is that almost the entirety of this guy's department was comprised of minorities.
Can't share details but I know someone personally who was on the receiving end of this. Was a VP or SVP at a BIG company. White guy. Hired a young black woman who fucked something up and he gave her gentle correction. This is a very non-confrontational guy BTW, to the point of being a bit of a pushover. She eventually quit. Then sued alleging, of course, racial discrimination. The corporation settled, being the pussies corporations are. The great irony is that almost the entirety of this guy's department was comprised of minorities.
Posted by: Can't do the work but they'll sue the shit out of you at July 14, 2025 02:26 PM (TbWk/)
Posted by: one hour sober at July 14, 2025 02:27 PM (Y1sOo)
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"And The Wizard of Oz was a story about two women fighting over a pair of shoes.
Posted by: Movie Critic wannabe"
Holy shit!
Posted by: Movie Critic wannabe"
Holy shit!
Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2025 02:27 PM (fV+MH)
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"They Don’t Read Very Well: A Study of the Reading Comprehension Skills of English Majors at Two Midwestern Universities"
a very scary paper.
https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/1/article/922346
a very scary paper.
https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/1/article/922346
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 14, 2025 02:27 PM (dKEEs)
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310 Daughter graduated College... Graphic design..Son.. Nope.. Of the two he is "smarter" just wouldn't do the work
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A twelve year sentence of bells and cells might be too much for a normal guy. Adding 4 moar years to that sentence is not as attractive as they make out.
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A twelve year sentence of bells and cells might be too much for a normal guy. Adding 4 moar years to that sentence is not as attractive as they make out.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 14, 2025 02:28 PM (W3T6M)
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I've spent my entire 20 professional years in advertising/marketing.
You didn't miss much.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 02:25 PM (KbCG3)
I wanted to be the creative producer of ad campaigns. I still make up commercials in my head for different products.
You didn't miss much.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 02:25 PM (KbCG3)
I wanted to be the creative producer of ad campaigns. I still make up commercials in my head for different products.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 02:28 PM (VofaG)
Posted by: one hour sober at July 14, 2025 02:28 PM (Y1sOo)
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Anyway, what bothers me most about the current decline, and why I've said the lucky ones will die in the first attacks, is that for a while, you'll remember the way it was but there'll be no one to fix it.
And then there'll be no one who even remembers.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
Dark Ages were not that bad.
And then there'll be no one who even remembers.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
Dark Ages were not that bad.
Posted by: Operator Error at July 14, 2025 02:29 PM (tm0oK)
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Dark Ages were not that bad.
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Serfs only paid 20% of their crop. Compare that to today's Dane Geld.
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Serfs only paid 20% of their crop. Compare that to today's Dane Geld.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 14, 2025 02:31 PM (W3T6M)
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296 Quick show of hands -- how many Morons and 'Ettes are English Majors?
I got kicked out of college for not going to class. So, no major.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (dfIr7)
Got kicked out first semester for cutting classes and drinking, informed I was likely going to be drafted (before lottery), so enlisted Navy. Fourteen years later got an Associates in General Studies. I was Elited.
I got kicked out of college for not going to class. So, no major.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (dfIr7)
Got kicked out first semester for cutting classes and drinking, informed I was likely going to be drafted (before lottery), so enlisted Navy. Fourteen years later got an Associates in General Studies. I was Elited.
Posted by: Eromero at July 14, 2025 02:31 PM (LHPAg)
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The writing skills I see from our interns, who have supposedly just completed a legal research and writing class, are shockingly bad. I should never see a sentence fragment from someone who finished middle school.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (dPfyF)
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Not even fragments of their imagination?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2025 02:20 PM (dPfyF)
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Not even fragments of their imagination?
Posted by: ShainS at July 14, 2025 02:32 PM (qcBGV)
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Check out Control-Alt-Revolt by Nick Cole. I highly recommend. I'll dig through my stuff, there are a few Horde sci fi writers and that's good stuff as well.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:25 PM (dfIr7)
Glad I buy stuff through Amazon, because it tells me I've already purchased it.
After reading the review, I remember that one. I read it almost 10 years ago. It was very good.
There's another one I read about the same time that was about a new future with a passenger airplane that went to the edge of space that got sabotaged into actual space. I can't recall the name of that one, but I enjoyed it a lot too.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:25 PM (dfIr7)
Glad I buy stuff through Amazon, because it tells me I've already purchased it.
After reading the review, I remember that one. I read it almost 10 years ago. It was very good.
There's another one I read about the same time that was about a new future with a passenger airplane that went to the edge of space that got sabotaged into actual space. I can't recall the name of that one, but I enjoyed it a lot too.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 14, 2025 02:32 PM (N1DT3)
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I sympathize with the job hunt complaints. (cough) years ago, I got an Associates degree in IT and went to work. Ever since then, I've been moving upward based on the strength of hard work, dedication, and intelligence. I go to look at jobs outside my employer... 90% want Bachelor's or MS, as well as 10-15 years of experience in multiple technologies that've only been around for slightly longer than that and weren't worth knowing anything about until about 5 years ago, and in depth knowledge of multiple specific software and languages besides. WTF?
Posted by: RandomDave at July 14, 2025 02:33 PM (aJQbY)
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Got kicked out first semester for cutting classes and drinking, informed I was likely going to be drafted (before lottery), so enlisted Navy. Fourteen years later got an Associates in General Studies. I was Elited.
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Had a buddy in my Freshman year who joined the Coast Guard to avoid Vietnam. Guess where he ended up? Gun boat patrol on the Mekong. And then he had to finish up the other 2 years and 9 months of his tour stateside. Smart move.
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Had a buddy in my Freshman year who joined the Coast Guard to avoid Vietnam. Guess where he ended up? Gun boat patrol on the Mekong. And then he had to finish up the other 2 years and 9 months of his tour stateside. Smart move.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 14, 2025 02:34 PM (W3T6M)
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i've read 'Ulysses' - have you?
Posted by: gnats local 678 at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (CWTWj)
I once had a neighbor with a dog named Ulysses. Does that count?
Posted by: gnats local 678 at July 14, 2025 02:15 PM (CWTWj)
I once had a neighbor with a dog named Ulysses. Does that count?
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 14, 2025 02:36 PM (g8Ew8)
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160 One thing I can say about the Moron Horde:
Based on the books you've recommended on the Sunday Morning Book Thread, you guys are among the most intelligent, articulate, well-read bunch of Morons it's been my pleasure to encounter on a weekly basis.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
I recommended "Lust Rumble". Did you read it?
Based on the books you've recommended on the Sunday Morning Book Thread, you guys are among the most intelligent, articulate, well-read bunch of Morons it's been my pleasure to encounter on a weekly basis.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
I recommended "Lust Rumble". Did you read it?
Posted by: Uncle Pervy at July 14, 2025 02:36 PM (G5+As)
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As we can see in Europe now, the problem with war as a social tool is that it only kills the warriors. We need an invasion of aliens or some ghastly catastrophe like a meteor swarm wiping out half of the world's cities.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:18 PM (dfIr7)
Obligatory AI aliens talk about fighting humans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCAziiAZoeM
As we can see in Europe now, the problem with war as a social tool is that it only kills the warriors. We need an invasion of aliens or some ghastly catastrophe like a meteor swarm wiping out half of the world's cities.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:18 PM (dfIr7)
Obligatory AI aliens talk about fighting humans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCAziiAZoeM
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 14, 2025 02:37 PM (y9nCu)
360
359
As we can see in Europe now, the problem with war as a social tool is that it only kills the warriors. We need an invasion of aliens or some ghastly catastrophe like a meteor swarm wiping out half of the world's cities.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:18 PM (dfIr7)
Obligatory AI aliens talk about fighting humans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCAziiAZoeM
Time to re-read Lucifer's Hammer, always fun.
As we can see in Europe now, the problem with war as a social tool is that it only kills the warriors. We need an invasion of aliens or some ghastly catastrophe like a meteor swarm wiping out half of the world's cities.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 02:18 PM (dfIr7)
Obligatory AI aliens talk about fighting humans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCAziiAZoeM
Time to re-read Lucifer's Hammer, always fun.
Posted by: Eromero at July 14, 2025 02:39 PM (LHPAg)
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Random Dave,
You hit the glass ceiling. I know many people in your situation and most of them become very bitter as time goes on. They are chained to where they are working and end up feeling abused by the system. Which they are.
I tell the younger folks that sound like you are to go and get their paper. It's stupid but it's the only way around it unless you go into management. It's hard if you don't have the support but this is one of the tragedies of the modern workforce.
You hit the glass ceiling. I know many people in your situation and most of them become very bitter as time goes on. They are chained to where they are working and end up feeling abused by the system. Which they are.
I tell the younger folks that sound like you are to go and get their paper. It's stupid but it's the only way around it unless you go into management. It's hard if you don't have the support but this is one of the tragedies of the modern workforce.
Posted by: pawn at July 14, 2025 02:42 PM (QB+5g)
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It's the Education Machine, run by people who were "educated" by it, and inherited the system from people ho had also been educated by it. 60-70 years ago, when the Machine was being assembled, those people were the C+/B- high school graduates and the system, slowly but surely got worse and worse. Crab bucket mentality is endemic among this crew. No student is challenged- can't have them know more that the Ill-educated teacher- and everybody is an A student, because "look how good we're doing, gimme that raise ".
Academia did this. They tolerated Education Schools with sub-par standards. They stood by while admins created diploma-mill "studies" departments. They eventually along with grade-inflation to keep the bodies in the seats and their paychecks coming.
The chickens are coming home to roost.
Academia did this. They tolerated Education Schools with sub-par standards. They stood by while admins created diploma-mill "studies" departments. They eventually along with grade-inflation to keep the bodies in the seats and their paychecks coming.
The chickens are coming home to roost.
Posted by: buddhaha at July 14, 2025 02:54 PM (n3kHr)
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The only time in my entire life, from an early age of learning to read, that I did not read for fun was in college in difficult pre-courses and then my major.
Because I was reading a lot of content for my major, on my one day off from classes or work I'd stare at art books. Simply because my brain was full and, I guess, I needed to decompress. The up side of this was I learned artists, especially French Impressionism.
Otherwise I am never without a book. Son's soccer game practice, doctor visits, trips, etc. There is a book in my purse.
I blame too much time on iPads or tablets for kids. If they don't see their parents reading, too, they don't read for pleasure.
DEI and racism also forces teachers to pass children who can't read. Wouldn't want to hurt their feelings by keeping them back a year in elementary school.
Because I was reading a lot of content for my major, on my one day off from classes or work I'd stare at art books. Simply because my brain was full and, I guess, I needed to decompress. The up side of this was I learned artists, especially French Impressionism.
Otherwise I am never without a book. Son's soccer game practice, doctor visits, trips, etc. There is a book in my purse.
I blame too much time on iPads or tablets for kids. If they don't see their parents reading, too, they don't read for pleasure.
DEI and racism also forces teachers to pass children who can't read. Wouldn't want to hurt their feelings by keeping them back a year in elementary school.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at July 14, 2025 03:02 PM (6PCLE)
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Employers: New grads are sub-literate morons who feel ungrateful that we don't shower them with accolades.
Also Employers: Heck no we're not going to hire the recently laid off mid-40s people who know what they're doing. We can import 3 sub-literate morons from India who can do exactly your job. Pshaw!
Also Employers: Heck no we're not going to hire the recently laid off mid-40s people who know what they're doing. We can import 3 sub-literate morons from India who can do exactly your job. Pshaw!
Posted by: Mister Fabulist at July 14, 2025 03:50 PM (x8eGV)
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I remember winter term of 1974 - shortened because of the high energy costs - when I had to read 2000 pages in 8 weeks. A lot of stress!
But, the lady in the second video only mentions books in the context of literature. I had to read meteorology and art textbooks, and almost every course had a fair amount of reading (by these "new" standards).
But, the lady in the second video only mentions books in the context of literature. I had to read meteorology and art textbooks, and almost every course had a fair amount of reading (by these "new" standards).
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at July 14, 2025 03:51 PM (w6EFb)
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56 Well, I don't know who corporate America is hiring then; i just retired with 27 years of military and law enforcement service and can't get a goddam interview.
Posted by: UGAdawg at July 14, 2025 01:38 PM (xP8uf)
I see that all the time, too.
People who are smart and highly qualified working jobs they are way overqualified for, while the high paying corporate jobs are increasingly full of DEI hires and third world immigrants. Then those DEI hires and third world immigrants take over the HR departments of those companies and the cycle intensifies.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 01:43 PM (uCjyK)
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Way late - but HR screening technology sucks. Here is a hint. Post your resume. But insert the job description in white ink at the end of your resume. Screening technology will see it. The interviewer won't. It helps your hit rate. Then you have to hope someone reading that has a brain.
Posted by: UGAdawg at July 14, 2025 01:38 PM (xP8uf)
I see that all the time, too.
People who are smart and highly qualified working jobs they are way overqualified for, while the high paying corporate jobs are increasingly full of DEI hires and third world immigrants. Then those DEI hires and third world immigrants take over the HR departments of those companies and the cycle intensifies.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 01:43 PM (uCjyK)
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Way late - but HR screening technology sucks. Here is a hint. Post your resume. But insert the job description in white ink at the end of your resume. Screening technology will see it. The interviewer won't. It helps your hit rate. Then you have to hope someone reading that has a brain.
Posted by: Black JEM at July 14, 2025 04:09 PM (GZYu7)
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Paul Anka Haiku Contest Announcement
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