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DOJ Report Allegedly Concludes Epstein Was Not Murdered, and Had No "Client List"
I thought then and think now that the murder theory was a longshot at best.
I see some alleged MAGA people essentially accusing Trump of a cover-up. Do I once again have to be the Real MAGA Supporter here? Trump would have no possible reason to cover any of this up, except for the obvious possibility that he's an Epstein client himself. I strongly doubt that, given that the Deep State attempted for ten years to frame Trump for various crimes. If Trump was an "Epstein client," we'd've heard about it in 2015. So why would he cover this up? It makes no sense. It doesn't surprise me that there was no murder. It is a little surprising that there is no "client list," but maybe it shouldn't be. We kept hearing chatter about a "client list." But did that ever make sense? When you think about Epstein's operation, did you conceive it more as a sexual influence operation, in which he'd invite well-connected politicians and billionaires to his Pedo Island and then leverage those relationships into insider information and political favors? Or did you think he was running an actual house of prostitution, whereby "clients" would pay him cash-on-the-barrelhead for specific sexual acts from specific prostitutes? That last possibility seems pretty unlikely to me. I never thought he was selling girls for actual cash. I always thought of the girls as inducements for the Not So Great and Definitely Not Good to come to his island and engage in some compromising behavior that could be exploited for the real money. Not a thousand here or there renting out a child prostitute. So I don't know if this report denying an actual, literal "client" list, like an actual brothel would keep, should be surprising. It wouldn't work that way, I don't think. I don't think he'd keep a ledger of New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson's payments for sex. I think this operation was more of the kind where the Johns didn't want to think of themselves as johns for a child prostitution ring. I think the johns would want the illusion that the "girls just liked them" and wanted to have sex with them. As for the denial of blackmail: Well, I do think the whole point of this operation would be influence and leverage, but again, it might not be as formal as "do this for me or I'll expose you." It might just be a subtle thing where, completely hypothetically, Bill Gates will do favors for you not because you formally extort him but just because he knows you could reveal his secrets, so it's best to keep you happy. Sometimes the real answer is the obvious one. Sometimes there is no Secret History behind the obvious. I don't even know if this report is accurate. It comes from Axios. It also comes, apparently, through an illegal leak, and criminal leakers do not put their freedom in jeopardy just because it's so fun to talk to the self-righteous idiot drips and wallflowers that call themselves "journalists." The leak could be distorted for political motivations, such as the always-popular "own the CHUDs" or "stir up dissent within MAGA." So I'm withholding judgment about whether this leak is even accurate. But even if it is, it doesn't surprise me, now that I think about it, that there wouldn't be an actual "client list" nor any formal blackmail.
Notorious sex predator Jeffrey Epstein didn't keep a supposed "client list," and he was not murdered during his short stay in a Manhattan lockup, the Justice Department and FBI reportedly concluded in a joint probe. The investigation, the results of which were detailed in a memo obtained by Axios, also found no evidence that Epstein "blackmailed prominent individuals." The Trump administration plans to release a video to prove the agencies' findings on Epstein's 2019 death, which bred mounds of conspiracy theories. "He's the only person in there and the only person coming out. You can see it," FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino said in late May.
The video falls in line with the medical examiner's assessment post-mortem that Epstein committed suicide, according to the memo. ... No one else involved in the Epstein case will face charges, according to the memo, beyond his associate Ghislaine Maxwell, who is serving 20 years for child sex trafficking and other related crimes. President Trump previously promised to release the apparently debunked "client list" during his re-election campaign. Trump has asserted that he had never visited Epstein's notorious private island, where scores of underage girls and young women were allegedly abused. But the president has said "a lot of people did" -- whom he was willing to unmask.
Photos regarding Jeffrey Epstein's suicide were obtained by 60 Minutes and aired Jan. Back in February, Trump's DOJ released Epstein's contact list as part of a long-awaited trove of documents connected to the notorious sex predator. Former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Alec Baldwin and Mick Jagger were among the high-profile names on Epstein's contact list. But the hyped-up February release was panned by critics as containing little to no new information about Epstein's case.
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FIRST WE KILL ALL THE LAWYERS
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 08, 2025 02:22 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 08, 2025 02:23 PM (x0n13)
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FIRST WE KILL ALL THE LAWYERS
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 08, 2025 02:22 PM
Wait...whut?!
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 08, 2025 02:22 PM
Wait...whut?!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 08, 2025 02:23 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 08, 2025 02:24 PM (x0n13)
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And using First as the first word of your first post...most cromulent.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 08, 2025 02:24 PM (Wnv9h)
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I've got a little list.
Posted by: DaveA at July 08, 2025 02:24 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 02:24 PM (VPwHp)
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Transparency is the best thing here.
If they have the video, release it.
Whatever files they do have, release them.
Just saying trust us doesn't cut it.
If they have the video, release it.
Whatever files they do have, release them.
Just saying trust us doesn't cut it.
Posted by: EFG at July 08, 2025 02:25 PM (6Y7N9)
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This was always too big to come out anyway
Posted by: brak at July 08, 2025 02:25 PM (jGJov)
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“The minute missing from the video, we released the video showing definitively… the video was not conclusive, but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suic*de,” Bondi said.
Bondi said every night at midnight the video has a minute missing.
This was news to everyone in the room except for Pam. She had 24 hours to prepare her answer.
Bondi said every night at midnight the video has a minute missing.
This was news to everyone in the room except for Pam. She had 24 hours to prepare her answer.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 02:25 PM (/U5Yz)
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Epstein suicided because he was getting railroaded and did nothing wrong. No pimp, no hoes, no Johns.
Posted by: Operator Error at July 08, 2025 02:25 PM (mb3hl)
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Was the list of people who visited his island released?
Posted by: EFG at July 08, 2025 02:26 PM (6Y7N9)
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Lost faith in Ace when he declined to support Trump during the primaries. But I'm completely with him on this. Well-reasoned, and well-stated.
Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at July 08, 2025 02:26 PM (FhMCZ)
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Kash Patel said more or less the same thing on Rogan. However, a few months ago Pam Bondi said they had to go through thousands of videos (which would include videos of the people being blackmailed, presumably) and that she had the client list on her desk, and was reviewing it before release.
>>>Trump would have no possible reason to cover any of this up, except for the obvious possibility that he's an Epstein client himself. I strongly doubt that, given that the Deep State attempted for ten years to frame Trump for various crimes. If Trump was an "Epstein client," we'd've heard about it in 2015.
I doubt Trump is on the list, too. I also think there could be a LOT of explanations why the government is lying about this right now that have nothing to do with Trump personally. I also don't think the CIA / FBI are above lying to political appointees and the president, although Kash Patel was clearly lying on Rogan.
>>>Trump would have no possible reason to cover any of this up, except for the obvious possibility that he's an Epstein client himself. I strongly doubt that, given that the Deep State attempted for ten years to frame Trump for various crimes. If Trump was an "Epstein client," we'd've heard about it in 2015.
I doubt Trump is on the list, too. I also think there could be a LOT of explanations why the government is lying about this right now that have nothing to do with Trump personally. I also don't think the CIA / FBI are above lying to political appointees and the president, although Kash Patel was clearly lying on Rogan.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:26 PM (uCjyK)
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And let's not forget that law enforcement generally does not name people they aren't formally charging. As most of these crimes have tolled and took place outside the US, it was always going to be difficult to charge anybody.
I know I don't want my name caught up in any of the crazy wild sex stuff I'm doi...um, would never dream of doing.
I know I don't want my name caught up in any of the crazy wild sex stuff I'm doi...um, would never dream of doing.
Posted by: spongeworthy at July 08, 2025 02:26 PM (CDWlY)
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"So why would he cover this up? It makes no sense."
Because so many "elites" are implicated in the operation that to get anything accomplished he's gone with the narrative.
Now, I don't think that's the case, but that's the answer. Personally, if that WERE the case, I'd think Trump would be getting a lot more of his agenda passed.
Because so many "elites" are implicated in the operation that to get anything accomplished he's gone with the narrative.
Now, I don't think that's the case, but that's the answer. Personally, if that WERE the case, I'd think Trump would be getting a lot more of his agenda passed.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 08, 2025 02:26 PM (N1DT3)
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Bondo. She's got electrolytes.
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 02:27 PM (VPwHp)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 02:27 PM (/U5Yz)
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So I don't know if this report denying an actual, literal "client" list, like an actual brothel would keep, should be surprising. It wouldn't work that way, I don't think. I don't think he'd keep a ledger of New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson's payments for sex. I think this operation was more of the kind where the Johns didn't want to think of themselves as johns for a child prostitution ring. I think the johns would want the illusion that the "girls just liked them" and wanted to have sex with them.
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I'm not sure I follow the logic here. You're saying his intent would have been to blackmail via the implication but to not ever keep actual evidence that he could use in the event that his bluff gets called?
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I'm not sure I follow the logic here. You're saying his intent would have been to blackmail via the implication but to not ever keep actual evidence that he could use in the event that his bluff gets called?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 08, 2025 02:27 PM (B9Prs)
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13 Lost faith in Ace when he declined to support Trump during the primaries. But I'm completely with him on this. Well-reasoned, and well-stated.
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Ace had big crush on Ted Cruz. Maybe its the Latin thing?
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Ace had big crush on Ted Cruz. Maybe its the Latin thing?
Posted by: pudinhead at July 08, 2025 02:27 PM (W3T6M)
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DOJ Report Allegedly Concludes Epstein Was Not Murdered, and Had No "Client List"
Pull the other one! (about the client lists, I mean)
Pull the other one! (about the client lists, I mean)
Posted by: t-bird at July 08, 2025 02:27 PM (cSMYS)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 08, 2025 02:27 PM (6ucbd)
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Other than Maxwell and some prince with bad teeth, every single person related to the case is dead, Dead, DEAD !
nothing to see... move along
nothing to see... move along
Posted by: Operator Error at July 08, 2025 02:27 PM (mb3hl)
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I’ve said I believed Epstein did kill himself from the very start. Time has only convinced me more.
This is something though that will never be resolved between those that do and those that don’t believe.
This is something though that will never be resolved between those that do and those that don’t believe.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 02:28 PM (VofaG)
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>> But even if it is, it doesn't surprise me, now that I think about it, that there wouldn't be an actual "client list" nor any formal blackmail.
I don't recall Bondi's words, but I wonder if she could have meant: I have a list of client names, which has been culled from evidence.
I don't recall Bondi's words, but I wonder if she could have meant: I have a list of client names, which has been culled from evidence.
Posted by: m at July 08, 2025 02:28 PM (aURVT)
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Eh. I really don't care at this point.
We all know that there is a class of people who consider themselves so far above the law that they feel--with a lot of justification--that they will never, ever face consequences for their crimes.
I can't do anything about it, so I don't worry about it. I just have to accept on faith that they will find true justice in the next life.
We all know that there is a class of people who consider themselves so far above the law that they feel--with a lot of justification--that they will never, ever face consequences for their crimes.
I can't do anything about it, so I don't worry about it. I just have to accept on faith that they will find true justice in the next life.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 08, 2025 02:28 PM (7fElN)
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What is conspiracy theory?
Posted by: Zombie Alex Trebek at July 08, 2025 02:28 PM (8KIYE)
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With everything that's going on in DC, I think Epstein is weak tea compared to the toxic cocktail mix of perversion pervading our government.
Which I find to be disgusting, in the extreme.
Which I find to be disgusting, in the extreme.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2025 02:28 PM (tT6L1)
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Epstein's client list is at Mossad HQ.
Posted by: Jerome at July 08, 2025 02:28 PM (hqA5L)
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Ace had big crush on Ted Cruz. Maybe its the Latin thing?
Posted by: pudinhead
I thought it was Rubio's garbage that he was enamored of?
Posted by: pudinhead
I thought it was Rubio's garbage that he was enamored of?
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 02:29 PM (77rzZ)
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Now the only thing that exists is our friendship.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 08, 2025 02:29 PM (wBaIH)
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 02:29 PM (VPwHp)
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Brothels don’t keep client lists. Or so I heard.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 08, 2025 02:29 PM (ymT3i)
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Trump would have no possible reason to cover any of this up, except for the obvious possibility that
the depth and breadth of the client list covers everyone in power including Congressional and SCOTUS members and heads of almost every major company in the US and other G7 countries.
the depth and breadth of the client list covers everyone in power including Congressional and SCOTUS members and heads of almost every major company in the US and other G7 countries.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:29 PM (2LeRy)
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Free Ghislaine.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 08, 2025 02:29 PM (1GV/C)
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>>>You're saying his intent would have been to blackmail via the implication but to not ever keep actual evidence that he could use in the event that his bluff gets called?
What evidence do you mean? A "client list"? If there were no payments what good would it be to just write down "Bill Richardson is a client"?
What evidence do you mean? A "client list"? If there were no payments what good would it be to just write down "Bill Richardson is a client"?
Posted by: ace at July 08, 2025 02:30 PM (KRtlO)
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Brothels don’t keep client lists. Or so I heard.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 08, 2025 02:29 PM (ymT3i)
_________
No guest book to sign?
Brothels don’t keep client lists. Or so I heard.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 08, 2025 02:29 PM (ymT3i)
_________
No guest book to sign?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 08, 2025 02:30 PM (6ucbd)
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I have had this niggling thought that Epsteins suicide was facilitated. I don't think he was going to get out of jail so his suicide could have been arranged by him or someone close. It was his last get out of jail card.
Posted by: mishdog at July 08, 2025 02:30 PM (e/m9i)
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30 Ace had big crush on Ted Cruz. Maybe its the Latin thing?
Posted by: pudinhead
I thought it was Rubio's garbage that he was enamored of?
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Nah. Ace just lusted for Rubio's zipper boots.
Posted by: pudinhead
I thought it was Rubio's garbage that he was enamored of?
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Nah. Ace just lusted for Rubio's zipper boots.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 08, 2025 02:30 PM (W3T6M)
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Why would Trump want to hide this?
I don't think he visited Pedo island...
But what if Epstein was involved with foreign intelligence honey pots?
CIA/Mossad people could have been involved.
Probably not with actual pimping, but with intelligence blackmail/intelligence gathering after the fact.
After the fact, not before it.
I doubt our intelligence guys would be proactively pimping out minors, but taking advantage after the fact?
Possible.
I don't think he visited Pedo island...
But what if Epstein was involved with foreign intelligence honey pots?
CIA/Mossad people could have been involved.
Probably not with actual pimping, but with intelligence blackmail/intelligence gathering after the fact.
After the fact, not before it.
I doubt our intelligence guys would be proactively pimping out minors, but taking advantage after the fact?
Possible.
Posted by: EFG at July 08, 2025 02:30 PM (6Y7N9)
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I'm not sure I follow the logic here. You're saying his intent would have been to blackmail via the implication but to not ever keep actual evidence that he could use in the event that his bluff gets called?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 08, 2025 02:27 PM (B9Prs)
Yeah, obviously the only way this intel operation would work is if they had the blackmail material. Which is likely on the now nonexistent thumb drives and CD's that the NYPD seized from Epsteins safe next to his fake Saudi passport, and likely in those many many boxes the FBI was photographed taking off Little St. James island, which I guess we are now to believe were empty boxes.
And of course, the NY FBI refused to turn over those drives to Pam Bondi when she demanded it back in February or whatever, but we're now saying never existed in the first place. So there we have it.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 08, 2025 02:27 PM (B9Prs)
Yeah, obviously the only way this intel operation would work is if they had the blackmail material. Which is likely on the now nonexistent thumb drives and CD's that the NYPD seized from Epsteins safe next to his fake Saudi passport, and likely in those many many boxes the FBI was photographed taking off Little St. James island, which I guess we are now to believe were empty boxes.
And of course, the NY FBI refused to turn over those drives to Pam Bondi when she demanded it back in February or whatever, but we're now saying never existed in the first place. So there we have it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:30 PM (uCjyK)
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I don’t think Epstein is dead.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 08, 2025 02:30 PM (W2Pud)
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What is who killed JFK with three shots from a piece of shit WWII Italian rifle that cost twenty bucks?
Posted by: Zombie Alex Trebek at July 08, 2025 02:30 PM (8KIYE)
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Notorious sex predator Jeffrey Epstein didn't keep a supposed "client list," and he was not murdered during his short stay in a Manhattan lockup, the Justice Department and FBI reportedly concluded in a joint probe.
Well I guess that settles it. Also, the chickens all hung themselves.
Well I guess that settles it. Also, the chickens all hung themselves.
Posted by: The Fox at July 08, 2025 02:30 PM (jc0TO)
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I find the accusations of President Trump being on the Epstein list highly amusing, by the way.
If President Trump were on that list, the information would have come out, oh, about 10 years ago.
If President Trump were on that list, the information would have come out, oh, about 10 years ago.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2025 02:31 PM (tT6L1)
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8 Transparency is the best thing here.
If they have the video, release it.
Whatever files they do have, release them.
Just saying trust us doesn't cut it.
Posted by: EFG
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Holding secrets in the long run results in corruption of the individuals and the organizations.
Trump should know that and him and his underlings should release everything including seized videos after processing them to hide identities of those who were sex trafficked.
Ditto if US law enforcement or intel agencies as well as foreign ones were involved.
In the end, the lack of trust engendered by coverups always does more damage than releasing the information. Same as what happened in Las Vegas during the first Trump term and his assassinations.
Somehow all these awful assholes get 'privacy' after they do criminal actions when that privacy has been obliterated for everyone else by private and government actions.
Shaming people and agencies over past wrongdoing is a powerful societal tool to prevent future injustice and prevention of that results in a ruling class that is above the law.
If they have the video, release it.
Whatever files they do have, release them.
Just saying trust us doesn't cut it.
Posted by: EFG
=====
Holding secrets in the long run results in corruption of the individuals and the organizations.
Trump should know that and him and his underlings should release everything including seized videos after processing them to hide identities of those who were sex trafficked.
Ditto if US law enforcement or intel agencies as well as foreign ones were involved.
In the end, the lack of trust engendered by coverups always does more damage than releasing the information. Same as what happened in Las Vegas during the first Trump term and his assassinations.
Somehow all these awful assholes get 'privacy' after they do criminal actions when that privacy has been obliterated for everyone else by private and government actions.
Shaming people and agencies over past wrongdoing is a powerful societal tool to prevent future injustice and prevention of that results in a ruling class that is above the law.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:31 PM (ctrM5)
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A few pedos have offed themselves in custody -- but I mean real child molesters who would have been killed in prison or possibly by dads lurking at phone booths or whatnot.
But seriously, why did Epstein kill himself? He must have had some judges, lawyers, and lawmakers in his pockets. Why did he give up?
A few pedos have offed themselves in custody -- but I mean real child molesters who would have been killed in prison or possibly by dads lurking at phone booths or whatnot.
But seriously, why did Epstein kill himself? He must have had some judges, lawyers, and lawmakers in his pockets. Why did he give up?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 02:31 PM (nC9OT)
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>>>the depth and breadth of the client list covers everyone in power including Congressional and SCOTUS members and heads of almost every major company in the US and other G7 countries.
what does that matter to Trump?
what does that matter to Trump?
Posted by: ace at July 08, 2025 02:31 PM (KRtlO)
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Apparently there were plenty of videos as Karoline Leavitt said which were not in the report for obvious reasons, so that is kind of a list it seems to me.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 08, 2025 02:32 PM (rvwwT)
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Any conspiracy that requires more than 10 people won’t stay a secret .
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 02:32 PM (VofaG)
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I’m willing to believe that most of the evidence is destroyed and not in possession of the DOJ. But that’s about it.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 08, 2025 02:32 PM (ymT3i)
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The government and media says Epstein killed himself and there's absolutely nothing to see here.
Remind me of the last time the media wasnt wrong and/or lying about a major story.
I will wait.
Remind me of the last time the media wasnt wrong and/or lying about a major story.
I will wait.
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 02:32 PM (VPwHp)
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WOAH! AG Bondi Asked about Jeffrey Epstein’s Ties to Foreign Intelligence Agencies – Trump LOSES IT: “I Can’t believe You’re Asking a Question on Epstein” – Bondi Says “No Knowledge” of Epstein’s Ties to Intelligence Agencies
Trump needs to get out more often.
Trump needs to get out more often.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 02:32 PM (/U5Yz)
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And let's not forget that law enforcement generally does not name people they aren't formally charging. As most of these crimes have tolled and took place outside the US, it was always going to be difficult to charge anybody.
Did anyone ever use a phone to call Epstein to set up a weekend at Bernie's?
There's a fed crime.
Did anyone ever use a phone to call Epstein to set up a weekend at Bernie's?
There's a fed crime.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:32 PM (2LeRy)
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48 >>>the depth and breadth of the client list covers everyone in power including Congressional and SCOTUS members and heads of almost every major company in the US and other G7 countries.
what does that matter to Trump?
Posted by: ace at July 08, 2025 02:31 PM (KRtlO)
Nice family you got there, Don...
what does that matter to Trump?
Posted by: ace at July 08, 2025 02:31 PM (KRtlO)
Nice family you got there, Don...
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 08, 2025 02:32 PM (1GV/C)
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There is no "Client List" simply because there is no list clearly labeld "client list".
It is that simple.
Sure, somebody might have a list of wealthy powerful people banging 15 year olds on film while hanging out on Pedo Isle and an occasional 8-ball.
But that list is not labeled "client list".
It is that simple.
Sure, somebody might have a list of wealthy powerful people banging 15 year olds on film while hanging out on Pedo Isle and an occasional 8-ball.
But that list is not labeled "client list".
Posted by: Operator Error at July 08, 2025 02:32 PM (mb3hl)
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Brothels don’t keep client lists. Or so I heard.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 08, 2025 02:29 PM (ymT3i)
_________
No guest book to sign?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 08, 2025 02:30 PM
Good to see you again Mr .... Smith.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 08, 2025 02:29 PM (ymT3i)
_________
No guest book to sign?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 08, 2025 02:30 PM
Good to see you again Mr .... Smith.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 02:32 PM (jc0TO)
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Someone explain how a math tutor to rich people's kids got his hands on five hundred million bucks while trafficking women and girls in plain sight?
Posted by: torabora at July 08, 2025 02:32 PM (8KIYE)
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*grabs really big bucket of popcorn *
Posted by: man at July 08, 2025 02:32 PM (tubbA)
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what was his source of income? He had a multimillion $ brownstone, the island, and aspread in New Mexico. If there were no "clients" then who did Gislaine traffic girst to???? If he was not guilty of child traffiking along with Gislaine, then why would he kill himself. Why did Prince Andrew pay Virginia Roberts? This whole thing stinks.
Posted by: susan Harms at July 08, 2025 02:33 PM (Kkd7F)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:33 PM (Zz0t1)
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34 Trump would have no possible reason to cover any of this up, except for the obvious possibility that
the depth and breadth of the client list covers everyone in power including Congressional and SCOTUS members and heads of almost every major company in the US and other G7 countries.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:29 PM (2LeRy)
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Parisian politicians can get their own illegal, underaged poon in Paris, though. They don't have to go to New York for that.
the depth and breadth of the client list covers everyone in power including Congressional and SCOTUS members and heads of almost every major company in the US and other G7 countries.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:29 PM (2LeRy)
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Parisian politicians can get their own illegal, underaged poon in Paris, though. They don't have to go to New York for that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 02:33 PM (GBKbO)
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What evidence do you mean? A "client list"? If there were no payments what good would it be to just write down "Bill Richardson is a client"?
Posted by: ace at July 08, 2025 02:30 PM (KRtlO)
Videos, ace. Many people (including the FBI and NYPD in the early days of the investigation) have talked about how his houses were thoroughly covered by cameras, including many hidden cameras.
Early reports said the FBI and NYPD seized a large number of thumb drives and CD's. Presumably those contained the videos of prominent people having sex with minors.
Pam Bondi as recently as 3-4 months ago said her team was working round the clock to watch and categorize those videos. That's where the "list" was going to come from -- who is on those videos having sex with children. I don't think anyone actually thought Epstein kept a ledger of who had sex with who, that would be useless for blackmail purposes.
Posted by: ace at July 08, 2025 02:30 PM (KRtlO)
Videos, ace. Many people (including the FBI and NYPD in the early days of the investigation) have talked about how his houses were thoroughly covered by cameras, including many hidden cameras.
Early reports said the FBI and NYPD seized a large number of thumb drives and CD's. Presumably those contained the videos of prominent people having sex with minors.
Pam Bondi as recently as 3-4 months ago said her team was working round the clock to watch and categorize those videos. That's where the "list" was going to come from -- who is on those videos having sex with children. I don't think anyone actually thought Epstein kept a ledger of who had sex with who, that would be useless for blackmail purposes.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:33 PM (uCjyK)
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I think this operation was more of the kind where the Johns didn't want to think of themselves as johns for a child prostitution ring. I think the johns would want the illusion that the "girls just liked them" and wanted to have sex with them.
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Reminds me of the time I hired a girl for a massage and she was running her business from her motel room. I guess she got excited when she started and, well...
It can be easy to confuse a situation like that with people who only buy the illusion.
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Reminds me of the time I hired a girl for a massage and she was running her business from her motel room. I guess she got excited when she started and, well...
It can be easy to confuse a situation like that with people who only buy the illusion.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 08, 2025 02:33 PM (cIOlQ)
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There was an epstein client list but the fib destroyed it when they "raided" epstein island a deacde ago.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 08, 2025 02:33 PM (e5NfL)
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So who was having sex with the underage girls on the island?
Posted by: I gotta ast at July 08, 2025 02:33 PM (M5OtC)
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"All files, videos, CDs and flash drives were lost in a tragic canoe accident, according to an FBI spokesman."
"All files, videos, CDs and flash drives were lost in a tragic canoe accident, according to an FBI spokesman."
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (6ucbd)
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I knew when Blondie said that they would redact the Epstein materials for national-security reasons that this thing was a deep-state op with wide involvement, and nothing substantive would ever see the light of day.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (77rzZ)
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I just want to hear Bongino say that everything he said about Epstein before he joined the FBI was wrong.
Every time he ranted on his show about it, he was wrong.
Then tell me why I'm supposed to trust or listen to a guy who was this wrong about everything.
Every time he ranted on his show about it, he was wrong.
Then tell me why I'm supposed to trust or listen to a guy who was this wrong about everything.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (1GV/C)
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I'll show you my little black book if you mow my lawn you hunka hunka of burning love.
Posted by: Heidi Fleiss at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (8KIYE)
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I have the opposite conclusions to this. There's no need for complicated spy-novel explanations for why Epstein did what he did. He was a rich, powerful, decent-looking guy at a time before MeToo when rich powerful guys could get away with anything they wanted when it came to girls.
He had private jets, a private Island, and lived a super-luxurious lifestyle -- and was willing to lavish all this on girls if they were willing to trade that for sex. And there are many girls out there willing to make that trade. And of course that kind of lifestyle attracts fellow travelers and hangers-on (the "clients") who also wanted a piece of the action.
Whenever Epstein found himself in a jam -- like the case in Miami -- he paid off the girls and whoever else might cause problems for him. It's also very difficult to prove sex crimes when the girls keep coming back for more. So any prosecutor will think twice before bringing a case against him.
So I don't think there's some formal "client list" for blackmail or intel purposes. But where I differ from Ace's post is that I think it's at least 50/50 that Epstein was murdered. The suicide theory makes little sense to me.
YMMV.
He had private jets, a private Island, and lived a super-luxurious lifestyle -- and was willing to lavish all this on girls if they were willing to trade that for sex. And there are many girls out there willing to make that trade. And of course that kind of lifestyle attracts fellow travelers and hangers-on (the "clients") who also wanted a piece of the action.
Whenever Epstein found himself in a jam -- like the case in Miami -- he paid off the girls and whoever else might cause problems for him. It's also very difficult to prove sex crimes when the girls keep coming back for more. So any prosecutor will think twice before bringing a case against him.
So I don't think there's some formal "client list" for blackmail or intel purposes. But where I differ from Ace's post is that I think it's at least 50/50 that Epstein was murdered. The suicide theory makes little sense to me.
YMMV.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (iFTx/)
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the depth and breadth of the client list covers everyone in power including Congressional and SCOTUS members and heads of almost every major company in the US and other G7 countries.
what does that matter to Trump?
Posted by: ace
It will crash governments. Ours included. Especially if 20 or 40 congressmen and senators are listed as having sex with underaged girls.
what does that matter to Trump?
Posted by: ace
It will crash governments. Ours included. Especially if 20 or 40 congressmen and senators are listed as having sex with underaged girls.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (2LeRy)
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Shaming people and agencies over past wrongdoing is a powerful societal tool to prevent future injustice and prevention of that results in a ruling class that is above the law.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:31 PM (ctrM5)
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They have no shame. That's part of the problem. They might experience slight embarrassment or inconvenience, but none of them feel like they did anything actually wrong. If anything, the rationalize it away as though *anyone* in their position and power would do the same thing.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:31 PM (ctrM5)
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They have no shame. That's part of the problem. They might experience slight embarrassment or inconvenience, but none of them feel like they did anything actually wrong. If anything, the rationalize it away as though *anyone* in their position and power would do the same thing.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (7fElN)
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The amount of force he'd have to apply to his own throat in the space he had is what made it so hard to believe he did it to himself.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (Zz0t1)
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So, there were cameras everywhere on the island, and photos of boxes of tapes were taken, but nothing was gleaned from those?
And WTF is Ghislaine Maxwell in prison? Who were the customers? Maybe the tapes could answer that question.
Also, why release a video of Epstein's prison door with a minute missing from it?
And WTF is Ghislaine Maxwell in prison? Who were the customers? Maybe the tapes could answer that question.
Also, why release a video of Epstein's prison door with a minute missing from it?
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (PMtkd)
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Two thoughts on this.
1) it is very plausible to me that Epstein was not blackmailing anyone and hence had no list of "clients". He probably had a list of buddies he would party with and at the parties there were plenty of kids to molest at.
2) Trump had to make a lot of deals to get his bill passed. I think that this, arming Ukraine, and his suggested corporate amnesty on illegals are parts of that deal.
1) it is very plausible to me that Epstein was not blackmailing anyone and hence had no list of "clients". He probably had a list of buddies he would party with and at the parties there were plenty of kids to molest at.
2) Trump had to make a lot of deals to get his bill passed. I think that this, arming Ukraine, and his suggested corporate amnesty on illegals are parts of that deal.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (dfIr7)
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He had cameras all over his house. No clients.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (zhBpy)
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I am disinclined to take the claims & assertions of the United States Government at face value.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (AOsQT)
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> Well, I do think the whole point of this operation would be influence and leverage, but again, it might not be as formal as "do this for me or I'll expose you." It might just be a subtle thing where, completely hypothetically, Bill Gates will do favors for you not because you formally extort him but just because he knows you could reveal his secrets, so it's best to keep you happy.
1000%. The very first time you show Bill Gates or whoever a video and say, "Do X or this video becomes public," the jig is up. Gates will quietly tell all of his friends to avoid you. Word gets around that you cause problems. Suddenly all of those doors you worked so hard to force open become closed.
My theory is the CIA or other highly independent group disappeared the good videos into vaults only a couple of people know about. THEY are the ones who are having quiet chats with Bill Gates and telling him what to do.
That's why Bondi and Bongino have nothing.
1000%. The very first time you show Bill Gates or whoever a video and say, "Do X or this video becomes public," the jig is up. Gates will quietly tell all of his friends to avoid you. Word gets around that you cause problems. Suddenly all of those doors you worked so hard to force open become closed.
My theory is the CIA or other highly independent group disappeared the good videos into vaults only a couple of people know about. THEY are the ones who are having quiet chats with Bill Gates and telling him what to do.
That's why Bondi and Bongino have nothing.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 08, 2025 02:35 PM (lIio7)
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And why would Epstein kill himself if there was no evidence against his blackmailing scheme?
FFS this is ridiculous.
FFS this is ridiculous.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 02:35 PM (PMtkd)
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So who was having sex with the underage girls on the island?
Posted by: I gotta ast
Obviously no one.
Posted by: I gotta ast
Obviously no one.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:35 PM (2LeRy)
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Epstein kept videos of all of the encounters at his house, Island and Ranch. The FBI seized those videos. You could easily compile a list of child molesters from those videos. However...
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at July 08, 2025 02:35 PM (Da7Vv)
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After we took down Joe Conforte we operated his Moonlight Ranch for a few years. They ham and eggers loved it. Comps...
Posted by: FBI at July 08, 2025 02:35 PM (8KIYE)
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Hey, this is the United States Government we're talking about here. Of course, everything they are saying is a lie. They can't do anything else.
Posted by: Crabby Appleton at July 08, 2025 02:35 PM (JcXec)
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Well He did build a family friendly town
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 08, 2025 02:35 PM (FCrpy)
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Someone explain how a math tutor to rich people's kids got his hands on five hundred million bucks while trafficking women and girls in plain sight?
Posted by: torabora at July 08, 2025 02:32 PM (8KIYE)
I guess the IRS could answer your questions. Another group of people necessary for the conspiracy.
Posted by: torabora at July 08, 2025 02:32 PM (8KIYE)
I guess the IRS could answer your questions. Another group of people necessary for the conspiracy.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 02:35 PM (VofaG)
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Also, why release a video of Epstein's prison door with a minute missing from it?
Apparently it doesn't even show his jail cell door. It shows an area with part of the stairs leading up to his door showing
Apparently it doesn't even show his jail cell door. It shows an area with part of the stairs leading up to his door showing
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 08, 2025 02:35 PM (dfIr7)
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But at the end of the day it no longer matters... events will happen and this will be out of the news which is how its done usually. On occasion someone will bring it up, but it will fade away. No justice for the victims.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 08, 2025 02:36 PM (rvwwT)
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Hey Ace. I agree with everything in your post, but I specifically want to commend you for the use of the double contraction “we’d’ve.” I couldn’t’ve said it any better.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at July 08, 2025 02:36 PM (cnBdQ)
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So I don't think there's some formal "client list" for blackmail or intel purposes. But where I differ from Ace's post is that I think it's at least 50/50 that Epstein was murdered. The suicide theory makes little sense to me.
Yeah. I agree there probably never was a client list, but the murder makes sense if it was one of the Five Eyes agencies and they wanted to make sure he didn't talk.
Yeah. I agree there probably never was a client list, but the murder makes sense if it was one of the Five Eyes agencies and they wanted to make sure he didn't talk.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 08, 2025 02:36 PM (2ocoG)
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If you're one of the people who look at seating arrangements at high profile meetings you'll notice that DoJ's AG, Bondi, is now seated to Trump's right, two seats away and next to SoS Rubio.
She was seated across the table and to the right of where Trump sits for the first 2-3 cabinet meetings.
It's a better angle for the cameras. Other than that...
Oh, and there's still speculation that *biden's Health and Human Services department was involved/responsible for some human/child trafficking operation. HHS was/is the FedGov agency responsible, to some degree, to caring for thousands of "undocumented alien children" that were brought, then dumped at the border. And are now "missing."
I'm betting that has more of a connection to Epstein than any "list."
She was seated across the table and to the right of where Trump sits for the first 2-3 cabinet meetings.
It's a better angle for the cameras. Other than that...
Oh, and there's still speculation that *biden's Health and Human Services department was involved/responsible for some human/child trafficking operation. HHS was/is the FedGov agency responsible, to some degree, to caring for thousands of "undocumented alien children" that were brought, then dumped at the border. And are now "missing."
I'm betting that has more of a connection to Epstein than any "list."
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2025 02:36 PM (Q4IgG)
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Epstein and Maxwell must be innocent if there were no clients.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:36 PM (zhBpy)
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>>> 73 Shaming people and agencies over past wrongdoing is a powerful societal tool to prevent future injustice and prevention of that results in a ruling class that is above the law.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:31 PM (ctrM5)
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They have no shame. That's part of the problem. They might experience slight embarrassment or inconvenience, but none of them feel like they did anything actually wrong. If anything, the rationalize it away as though *anyone* in their position and power would do the same thing.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (7fElN)
If anything, the types who would do such things WANT you to know they did whatever it is, because they also want you to know they can get away with it.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:31 PM (ctrM5)
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They have no shame. That's part of the problem. They might experience slight embarrassment or inconvenience, but none of them feel like they did anything actually wrong. If anything, the rationalize it away as though *anyone* in their position and power would do the same thing.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (7fElN)
If anything, the types who would do such things WANT you to know they did whatever it is, because they also want you to know they can get away with it.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 08, 2025 02:36 PM (ULPxl)
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the depth and breadth of the client list covers everyone in power including Congressional and SCOTUS members and heads of almost every major company in the US and other G7 countries.
what does that matter to Trump?
Posted by: ace at July 08, 2025 02:31 PM (KRtlO)
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Well, if Senators and Congressmen who Trump had praised in the past and were useful to him for voting (BBB?) were exposed as clients, that would be embarassing and harmful.
If people Trump had nominated for positions in the government were exposed as clients, that would also be embarassing and politically harmful.
(But yeah, if Trump himself was on the list, that would have been leaked long ago.)
what does that matter to Trump?
Posted by: ace at July 08, 2025 02:31 PM (KRtlO)
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Well, if Senators and Congressmen who Trump had praised in the past and were useful to him for voting (BBB?) were exposed as clients, that would be embarassing and harmful.
If people Trump had nominated for positions in the government were exposed as clients, that would also be embarassing and politically harmful.
(But yeah, if Trump himself was on the list, that would have been leaked long ago.)
Posted by: EFG at July 08, 2025 02:36 PM (6Y7N9)
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Epstein never had a client list, and never blackmailed anyone. He always obeyed the law.
Posted by: Epstein's Mom at July 08, 2025 02:36 PM (Vfq+S)
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I doubt our intelligence guys would be proactively pimping out minors, but taking advantage after the fact?
Possible.
Posted by: EFG
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Reading the histories of those agencies does not give me the same confidence as to their probity.
There is a certain sort of asshole that is attracted by becoming a secret king above the law, And ops divisions of humint departments are like catnip to those types. Not all of those departments are assholes, but a substantial number of them are and the good guys keep silent to keep the organizational rep. And to preserve a nebulous idea that by hiding the misconduct, the agency can continue to 'protect' the nation from harm.
Common problem in large law enforcement agencies too when agents go rogue--the first impulse to coverup the shit because 'lives and investigations' might be lost.
The first impulse of any organization is to protect itself and its employees; it is NOT to protect the general public.
Possible.
Posted by: EFG
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Reading the histories of those agencies does not give me the same confidence as to their probity.
There is a certain sort of asshole that is attracted by becoming a secret king above the law, And ops divisions of humint departments are like catnip to those types. Not all of those departments are assholes, but a substantial number of them are and the good guys keep silent to keep the organizational rep. And to preserve a nebulous idea that by hiding the misconduct, the agency can continue to 'protect' the nation from harm.
Common problem in large law enforcement agencies too when agents go rogue--the first impulse to coverup the shit because 'lives and investigations' might be lost.
The first impulse of any organization is to protect itself and its employees; it is NOT to protect the general public.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:36 PM (ctrM5)
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The country will move on to Hakeem Jeffries' Photoshop Weight Loss Program.
Posted by: mrp at July 08, 2025 02:37 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: LASue at July 08, 2025 02:37 PM (lCppi)
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58 Someone explain how a math tutor to rich people's kids got his hands on five hundred million bucks while trafficking women and girls in plain sight?
Posted by: torabora at July 08, 2025 02:32 PM (8KIYE)
it happens all the time. Kids drop out of college, Bill Barr's dad (who worked for OSS/ CIA and was "more Catholic than the Catholics") takes a liking to them and gives them a job at an elite private school school, then somehow they get a top job on Wall Street, then billionaires like Les Wexner give that college drop out power of attorney over all of their money, and also gift them the largest single family residence in NYC. And that college drop out often times becomes a billionaire somehow.
It's the story of the American Dream, really. Happens all the time.
Posted by: torabora at July 08, 2025 02:32 PM (8KIYE)
it happens all the time. Kids drop out of college, Bill Barr's dad (who worked for OSS/ CIA and was "more Catholic than the Catholics") takes a liking to them and gives them a job at an elite private school school, then somehow they get a top job on Wall Street, then billionaires like Les Wexner give that college drop out power of attorney over all of their money, and also gift them the largest single family residence in NYC. And that college drop out often times becomes a billionaire somehow.
It's the story of the American Dream, really. Happens all the time.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:37 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 08, 2025 02:37 PM (6ucbd)
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And why would Epstein kill himself if there was no evidence against his blackmailing scheme?
FFS this is ridiculous.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 02:35 PM (P
If there was a blackmail list why didn’t he have a kill switch if he was murdered? Why is Maxwell still breathing?
FFS this is ridiculous.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 02:35 PM (P
If there was a blackmail list why didn’t he have a kill switch if he was murdered? Why is Maxwell still breathing?
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 02:37 PM (VofaG)
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My theory is the CIA or other highly independent group disappeared the good videos into vaults only a couple of people know about. THEY are the ones who are having quiet chats with Bill Gates and telling him what to do.
Right. CIA/MI-whatever/Mossad/etc were running this. No way they'd let the FBI anywhere near it.
Right. CIA/MI-whatever/Mossad/etc were running this. No way they'd let the FBI anywhere near it.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 08, 2025 02:37 PM (2ocoG)
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> You're saying his intent would have been to blackmail via the implication but to not ever keep actual evidence that he could use in the event that his bluff gets called?
Of course there's evidence. But Bondi and Bongino don't have it. The good stuff disappeared out the back door when Biden was in charge. It's in CIA vaults that only a couple of people know about.
Of course there's evidence. But Bondi and Bongino don't have it. The good stuff disappeared out the back door when Biden was in charge. It's in CIA vaults that only a couple of people know about.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 08, 2025 02:37 PM (lIio7)
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There was enough evidence of trafficking to arrest Epstein and Maxwell but...no actual clients?
That's just not possible. If they have evidence of trafficking, and they do, then they have clients.
Now is there a formal "client list"? This seems another one of those hyper specific dodges. So I am willing to believe that there is no document recovered from Epstein that is titled "client list"
However, they have a list of clients. So the bigger question is why aren't they charging them?
That's just not possible. If they have evidence of trafficking, and they do, then they have clients.
Now is there a formal "client list"? This seems another one of those hyper specific dodges. So I am willing to believe that there is no document recovered from Epstein that is titled "client list"
However, they have a list of clients. So the bigger question is why aren't they charging them?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 02:38 PM (t0Rmr)
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>>67
"All files, videos, CDs and flash drives were lost in a tragic canoe accident, according to an FBI spokesman."
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
Tragically, so was the Weiner laptop that made seasoned NYPD detectives vomit and eventually kill themselves with shots to the back of their heads.
"All files, videos, CDs and flash drives were lost in a tragic canoe accident, according to an FBI spokesman."
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
Tragically, so was the Weiner laptop that made seasoned NYPD detectives vomit and eventually kill themselves with shots to the back of their heads.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 02:38 PM (/U5Yz)
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96 I doubt our intelligence guys would be proactively pimping out minors, but taking advantage after the fact?
Possible.
Posted by: EFG
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You're being sarcastic, right?
Possible.
Posted by: EFG
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You're being sarcastic, right?
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 02:38 PM (PMtkd)
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Maybe Trump withholding the names of the Epstein Island "visitors" ... was part of the leverage for passing the BBB? He didn't get Dems, but didn't need them.
Posted by: illiniwek at July 08, 2025 02:38 PM (vbXSk)
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Yes I thought Trump wanted to end the Russia/Ukraine war. But we're sending arms to Z-Man again.
It's a meatgrinder and no one wants it to stop.
It's a meatgrinder and no one wants it to stop.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: at July 08, 2025 02:38 PM (AOsQT)
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Epstein and Maxwell must be innocent if there were no clients.
No client list does not mean there were no clients.
No client list does not mean there were no clients.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 08, 2025 02:38 PM (2ocoG)
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I'm not sure I follow the logic here. You're saying his intent would have been to blackmail via the implication but to not ever keep actual evidence that he could use in the event that his bluff gets called?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously
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There doesn't have to be an Excel spreadsheet of names, addresses, and invoices. Epstein could request a favor of, say, Gill Bates, and half the threat for Gill would be that he knows that Epstein knows certain things, but he doesn't know how much of it Epstein caught via hidden cameras or the willingness of underage girls to testify or whatever.
I'm not sure I follow the logic here. You're saying his intent would have been to blackmail via the implication but to not ever keep actual evidence that he could use in the event that his bluff gets called?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously
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There doesn't have to be an Excel spreadsheet of names, addresses, and invoices. Epstein could request a favor of, say, Gill Bates, and half the threat for Gill would be that he knows that Epstein knows certain things, but he doesn't know how much of it Epstein caught via hidden cameras or the willingness of underage girls to testify or whatever.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 02:38 PM (nC9OT)
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"Italian Americans are the hardest working, most law abiding patriotic Americans of our country. It is a shame and a pity that a few rotten apples give them a bad name."
Posted by: Senator who totally wasn't on any list at July 08, 2025 02:38 PM (jGJov)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 08, 2025 02:38 PM (ymT3i)
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I believe Epstein's mom.
Posted by: eleven at July 08, 2025 02:39 PM (fV+MH)
Posted by: J. Epstein, sipping margaritas in an undisclosed location at July 08, 2025 02:39 PM (5hfjS)
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The good stuff disappeared out the back door when Biden was in charge. It's in CIA vaults that only a couple of people know about.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 08, 2025 02:37 PM
It's all sitting right next to the Ark of the Covenant.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 08, 2025 02:37 PM
It's all sitting right next to the Ark of the Covenant.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 02:39 PM (jc0TO)
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30 Ace had big crush on Ted Cruz. Maybe its the Latin thing?
Posted by: pudinhead
I thought it was Rubio's garbage that he was enamored of?
Posted by: Bulg
NO! There is another!
Posted by: pudinhead
I thought it was Rubio's garbage that he was enamored of?
Posted by: Bulg
NO! There is another!
Posted by: DeSantis' Schlong at July 08, 2025 02:39 PM (JCZqz)
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I'm not playing a game about "a list" vs "we have videos of who was screwing minors."
Make a fucking list based on the tapes.
Make a fucking list based on the tapes.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 02:39 PM (PMtkd)
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When I think of epstein's operation, I see it as a full-out kgb-style kompromat machine supported by (at least) US intel agencies in the interest of expanding power and influence of the "deep state".
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 08, 2025 02:39 PM (dKEEs)
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If anything, the types who would do such things WANT you to know they did whatever it is, because they also want you to know they can get away with it.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 08, 2025 02:36 PM (ULPxl)
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Yep. What's the point of wallowing in depravity denied to the common man unless you can rub their faces in it?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 08, 2025 02:36 PM (ULPxl)
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Yep. What's the point of wallowing in depravity denied to the common man unless you can rub their faces in it?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 08, 2025 02:39 PM (7fElN)
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They have no shame. That's part of the problem. They might experience slight embarrassment or inconvenience, but none of them feel like they did anything actually wrong. If anything, the rationalize it away as though *anyone* in their position and power would do the same thing.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (7fElN)
If anything, the types who would do such things WANT you to know they did whatever it is, because they also want you to know they can get away with it.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
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Not true. They smirk etc. but never allocute to the sins and crimes. The whole point is to pull off the unconvincing coverup but never admit to what they did. Then society would be forced to do something about it.
So shame is circumvented because there is never any justice nor even 'truth' in what happened.
Slapton Sands disaster is an example. One can see an immediate coverup prior to D-Day but not so much after the landings--it continued far beyond the time required.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 08, 2025 02:34 PM (7fElN)
If anything, the types who would do such things WANT you to know they did whatever it is, because they also want you to know they can get away with it.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
============
Not true. They smirk etc. but never allocute to the sins and crimes. The whole point is to pull off the unconvincing coverup but never admit to what they did. Then society would be forced to do something about it.
So shame is circumvented because there is never any justice nor even 'truth' in what happened.
Slapton Sands disaster is an example. One can see an immediate coverup prior to D-Day but not so much after the landings--it continued far beyond the time required.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:40 PM (ctrM5)
121
Here's the thing.
The story just keeps changing. Bondi claimed that the list was 'on her desk', multiple different people have claimed that teams of FBI agents were hard at work combing through the video Epstein had taken on his island, and that there were a TON of victims.
And yet, not one arrest.
NOT
A
SINGLE
ONE
I can believe that the Deep State has had way too long, and that far too many rich and powerful people have had too long to make sure that their names were removed.
But not ONE arrest?
Sorry, Blondi, not buying it.
The story just keeps changing. Bondi claimed that the list was 'on her desk', multiple different people have claimed that teams of FBI agents were hard at work combing through the video Epstein had taken on his island, and that there were a TON of victims.
And yet, not one arrest.
NOT
A
SINGLE
ONE
I can believe that the Deep State has had way too long, and that far too many rich and powerful people have had too long to make sure that their names were removed.
But not ONE arrest?
Sorry, Blondi, not buying it.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at July 08, 2025 02:40 PM (setIA)
122
Right. CIA/MI-whatever/Mossad/etc were running this. No way they'd let the FBI anywhere near it.
Posted by: Ian S.
Big Penguin and Liechtenstein.
Posted by: Ian S.
Big Penguin and Liechtenstein.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 02:40 PM (77rzZ)
123
Who exactly keeps client lists anyway? Pimps don't keep client lists. Did P. Diddy have a client list?
Client #9, Spitzer, being the exception, I figure this is a NY thing.
Client #9, Spitzer, being the exception, I figure this is a NY thing.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at July 08, 2025 02:40 PM (LJdhL)
124
Now that Ace mentions it, I'm also of the mind there was no need for a physical "list", whether hardcopy or on a computer. No upside and plenty of downside.
This wasn't a high-volume operation that would require such. I mean, you wouldn't need a reminder that Bill Gates or Prince Andrew came to your island to bang a 15-year-old girl. You'd remember that. If you needed a list at a later time (say, as part of a plea bargain), you could just write it down then.
This wasn't a high-volume operation that would require such. I mean, you wouldn't need a reminder that Bill Gates or Prince Andrew came to your island to bang a 15-year-old girl. You'd remember that. If you needed a list at a later time (say, as part of a plea bargain), you could just write it down then.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 08, 2025 02:40 PM (qpyNK)
Posted by: ShainS -- Make The AG Gaetz Again! at July 08, 2025 02:40 PM (6wwxj)
126
The words of the Central Scrutinizer carry much truth.
Posted by: Injun torabora at July 08, 2025 02:40 PM (8KIYE)
127
My question is this: wouldn't the list of people Ghislaine trafficked the girls to be considered a client list? And if there was no sort of list, does that mean she got convicted of trafficking to no one?
Posted by: bluebell at July 08, 2025 02:40 PM (P/Jb0)
128
The comical thing is that everyone world wide knows the Epstein and Maxwell were doing honey traps. They know who was involved.
And yet the deep state keeps telling us "that's enough now children, we'll handle it from here". And they expect us to say "ok"
And yet the deep state keeps telling us "that's enough now children, we'll handle it from here". And they expect us to say "ok"
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 08, 2025 02:40 PM (JtH6i)
129
47 is looking more like 45 every day.
Posted by: creeper at July 08, 2025 02:40 PM (zFwIe)
130
they did this to protect bill clinton, who is rumored to have video of trump giving hillary a peck on the cheek in 2009
Posted by: gnats local 678 at July 08, 2025 02:40 PM (CWTWj)
131
WHO WRITES THAT SHIT DOWN ?
Posted by: HArvey Ficusfucker at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (NtVYv)
132
I listen to old time radio shows at night to help me sleep. One of my favorite shows is X Minus 1, a syfy anthology. Last night's episode concerned first contact between on of our spaceships and an alien spaceship. Both the commanders completely confuse themselves in an effort to gain an advantage over the other. Eventually, they are paralyzed by fear because they have no idea what is true and what is false.
That's the way I feel these days when I don't know who to trust or what to believe. Maybe I should just give up and get a Magic 8 Ball.
That's the way I feel these days when I don't know who to trust or what to believe. Maybe I should just give up and get a Magic 8 Ball.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (L/fGl)
133
Yes I thought Trump wanted to end the Russia/Ukraine war. But we're sending arms to Z-Man again.
It's a meatgrinder and no one wants it to stop.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: at July 08, 2025 02:38 PM (AOsQT)
He asked Putin to slow down and the US would slow weapon supply. Putin instead increased their offensive.
It's a meatgrinder and no one wants it to stop.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: at July 08, 2025 02:38 PM (AOsQT)
He asked Putin to slow down and the US would slow weapon supply. Putin instead increased their offensive.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (VofaG)
134
66 So who was having sex with the underage girls on the island?
Posted by: I gotta ast at July 08, 2025 02:33 PM (M5OtC)
"Somebody's doing the rapin'!" - Donald J Trump, in a slightly different context.
Posted by: I gotta ast at July 08, 2025 02:33 PM (M5OtC)
"Somebody's doing the rapin'!" - Donald J Trump, in a slightly different context.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (uCjyK)
135
Did anybody really think that they (the Deep State) would leave all the evidence laying around ?
Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (RHGPo)
136
Storming Pedo Island was the largest amphibious landing by the Federal Government since Okinawa. Maybe.
Posted by: mrp at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (rj6Yv)
137
BREAKING: Four of the nation’s most accurate public opinion research firms @BIGDATAPOLL
, @InsiderPolling
, @Rasmussen_Poll
, & @trafalgar_group
have announced the formation of The National Association of Independent Pollsters.
Members will be chosen based solely on consistent public polling accuracy.
, @InsiderPolling
, @Rasmussen_Poll
, & @trafalgar_group
have announced the formation of The National Association of Independent Pollsters.
Members will be chosen based solely on consistent public polling accuracy.
Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (RHGPo)
138
Keep in mind Prince Andrew admitted to being a client. They could issue an arrest warrant for him at any time.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (t0Rmr)
139
I keep telling everyone I've seen the video. It appeared for about 3 minutes on a shall remain nameless site and was quickly disappeared. It's brutal. There was only about 30 seconds of it and I think it was reversed when comparing it to the police reports. A world famous conspiracy character then denounced it and said it was fake. I could look up the drop but fuck that. I don't think it was a fake though.
This was a huge surrender to the deep state.
Trump is surrounded by a lot of traitors again.
This was a huge surrender to the deep state.
Trump is surrounded by a lot of traitors again.
Posted by: Reforger at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (SJnNf)
140
Bondi and Patel get over their skis?
Posted by: mr tmz at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (rJ48h)
141
PJ Media is running a series "The Top 25 Conservatives of the last 25 Years". They've published 2 segments for 25-21 and 20-16.
So far, neither David Frum, David French, or Bill Kristol have been mentioned.
But there are 3 more segments to go, so hold tight, ye of little faith.
So far, neither David Frum, David French, or Bill Kristol have been mentioned.
But there are 3 more segments to go, so hold tight, ye of little faith.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 08, 2025 02:42 PM (0sNs1)
142
Fine, I’ll accept that Epstein wasn’t murdered. I choose to believe we was allowed to kill himself, a la Frank Penangeli in Godfather II.
Posted by: weew at July 08, 2025 02:42 PM (Do7qd)
143
One thing about this post that warms my heart? There are still people naive enough and not as cynical as I who believe what they are told.
I think it's kind of sweet.
I think it's kind of sweet.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 02:42 PM (PMtkd)
144
Ace is lost it dosnt take much looking to see our “greatest” ally targeted and captured American politicians. Trying to explain it away and hope the rest of us don’t remember is just sad
Posted by: Goucho at July 08, 2025 02:42 PM (hA3lM)
145
The opaque presidency. Not a good look Donald.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 02:42 PM (/U5Yz)
146
So there was no "ledger" keeping track of "services" rendered to Client X that Epstein kept and was "reimbursed" by Client X.
But you know darn well there were banking transactions where Client X transferred something to Epstein (whether stocks, house, plane, car, cash, or a seat on a Harvard ?IIRC board) occurred, but Client X titled it for "legal fees", "stock advice", "travel expenses" etc.
Bondi/etc are using that as "proof" there was no client list. Its using that wiggleroom to escape scrutiny, and it's BS.
But you know darn well there were banking transactions where Client X transferred something to Epstein (whether stocks, house, plane, car, cash, or a seat on a Harvard ?IIRC board) occurred, but Client X titled it for "legal fees", "stock advice", "travel expenses" etc.
Bondi/etc are using that as "proof" there was no client list. Its using that wiggleroom to escape scrutiny, and it's BS.
Posted by: Scott_T at July 08, 2025 02:42 PM (2waQ7)
147
We all know Trump lied to are Black Presdent. !!!
What our we b e going to dew abouts it ???
What our we b e going to dew abouts it ???
Posted by: Mary Cloginstien from Brattleboro, Vt at July 08, 2025 02:42 PM (p+utQ)
148
Who exactly keeps client lists anyway? Pimps don't keep client lists. Did P. Diddy have a client list?
Heidi Fleiss did.
Heidi Fleiss did.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:42 PM (2LeRy)
149
108 Yes I thought Trump wanted to end the Russia/Ukraine war. But we're sending arms to Z-Man again.
It's a meatgrinder and no one wants it to stop.
---------------
The pressure to be brought against Putin is the Saudi's announcing an increase in oil production starting in August. This hurts Putin moar than guns and shells. There will be a deal struck.
It's a meatgrinder and no one wants it to stop.
---------------
The pressure to be brought against Putin is the Saudi's announcing an increase in oil production starting in August. This hurts Putin moar than guns and shells. There will be a deal struck.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 08, 2025 02:42 PM (W3T6M)
150
What evidence do you mean? A "client list"? If there were no payments what good would it be to just write down "Bill Richardson is a client"?
Posted by: ace at July 08, 2025 02:30 PM (KRtlO)
I'm not trying to be combative here, I just don't understand what seems like a jump in logic to me.
I haven't really been paying that close attention this whole thing because I didn't believe from the start that anything was ever going to come of it, but I thought that the "Epstein List" wasn't like people were necessarily looking to find his physical day planner with the names and dates, they just wanted whatever proof Epstein himself kept on the powerful people he was blackmailing. Doesn't the threat of blackmail usually rest mostly on you having some sort of evidence you can leak to the public proving the bad thing that they don't want to become known?
Posted by: ace at July 08, 2025 02:30 PM (KRtlO)
I'm not trying to be combative here, I just don't understand what seems like a jump in logic to me.
I haven't really been paying that close attention this whole thing because I didn't believe from the start that anything was ever going to come of it, but I thought that the "Epstein List" wasn't like people were necessarily looking to find his physical day planner with the names and dates, they just wanted whatever proof Epstein himself kept on the powerful people he was blackmailing. Doesn't the threat of blackmail usually rest mostly on you having some sort of evidence you can leak to the public proving the bad thing that they don't want to become known?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 08, 2025 02:42 PM (B9Prs)
151
Members will be chosen based solely on consistent public polling accuracy.
Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (RHGPo)
Yes, because that's what the world needs. More pollsters.
Members will be chosen based solely on consistent public polling accuracy.
Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (RHGPo)
Yes, because that's what the world needs. More pollsters.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:43 PM (Zz0t1)
152
To run a blackmail op, whether at the behest of the IC or for private gain, you have to have good proof that the target compromised himself. Whether that's a list or some other type of file, it's going to exist. The idea that this is lacking, never existed is preposterous. No one reasonable would believe such a thing.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 08, 2025 02:43 PM (TdYBy)
153
Yes I thought Trump wanted to end the Russia/Ukraine war. But we're sending arms to Z-Man again.
... Putin screwed the pooch
... Putin screwed the pooch
Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2025 02:43 PM (RHGPo)
154
This was a huge surrender to the deep state.
Trump is surrounded by a lot of traitors again.
Posted by: Reforger at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM
"We are Legion."
-- Deep State
Trump is surrounded by a lot of traitors again.
Posted by: Reforger at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM
"We are Legion."
-- Deep State
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 08, 2025 02:43 PM (0sNs1)
155
>>> 120
============
Not true. They smirk etc. but never allocute to the sins and crimes. The whole point is to pull off the unconvincing coverup but never admit to what they did. Then society would be forced to do something about it.
So shame is circumvented because there is never any justice nor even 'truth' in what happened.
Slapton Sands disaster is an example. One can see an immediate coverup prior to D-Day but not so much after the landings--it continued far beyond the time required.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:40 PM (ctrM5)
"What difference does it make, anyway?" -- Hillzebub, maybe not admitting details, but enjoying humblebrags
I don't think Slapton Sands is the same type of issue. It's asinine, not completely vile.
============
Not true. They smirk etc. but never allocute to the sins and crimes. The whole point is to pull off the unconvincing coverup but never admit to what they did. Then society would be forced to do something about it.
So shame is circumvented because there is never any justice nor even 'truth' in what happened.
Slapton Sands disaster is an example. One can see an immediate coverup prior to D-Day but not so much after the landings--it continued far beyond the time required.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:40 PM (ctrM5)
"What difference does it make, anyway?" -- Hillzebub, maybe not admitting details, but enjoying humblebrags
I don't think Slapton Sands is the same type of issue. It's asinine, not completely vile.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 08, 2025 02:43 PM (ULPxl)
156
If there was a blackmail list why didn’t he have a kill switch if he was murdered? Why is Maxwell still breathing?
Posted by: polynikes
===============
I was thinking about the kill switch, but people aren't necessarily that smart or far-sighted. At a minimum, I'm thinking of criminals who have offed themselves in custody when any John or Jill could have seen they were a suicide risk. And passenger planes crashing into the Pentagon? I would have laughed that off if I'd seen it in a movie before 9/11. Of COURSE the fvcking Pentagon is better protected than that! And then that guy who managed to get into Queen Elizabeth's bedroom! I could go on.
If there was a blackmail list why didn’t he have a kill switch if he was murdered? Why is Maxwell still breathing?
Posted by: polynikes
===============
I was thinking about the kill switch, but people aren't necessarily that smart or far-sighted. At a minimum, I'm thinking of criminals who have offed themselves in custody when any John or Jill could have seen they were a suicide risk. And passenger planes crashing into the Pentagon? I would have laughed that off if I'd seen it in a movie before 9/11. Of COURSE the fvcking Pentagon is better protected than that! And then that guy who managed to get into Queen Elizabeth's bedroom! I could go on.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 02:43 PM (nC9OT)
157
102 My theory is the CIA or other highly independent group disappeared the good videos into vaults only a couple of people know about. THEY are the ones who are having quiet chats with Bill Gates and telling him what to do.
Right. CIA/MI-whatever/Mossad/etc were running this. No way they'd let the FBI anywhere near it.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 08, 2025 02:37 PM (2ocoG)
And Trump and his people are probably using the vault. I mean, Britain is one of the few countries that has made a trade deal with us...and we know Britain had high-profile clients...
And Bill Gates is silent as the grave this year, even with Trump in office...
Right. CIA/MI-whatever/Mossad/etc were running this. No way they'd let the FBI anywhere near it.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 08, 2025 02:37 PM (2ocoG)
And Trump and his people are probably using the vault. I mean, Britain is one of the few countries that has made a trade deal with us...and we know Britain had high-profile clients...
And Bill Gates is silent as the grave this year, even with Trump in office...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 08, 2025 02:43 PM (tOcjL)
158
I was Client #9!
Posted by: Eliot Spitzer at July 08, 2025 02:43 PM (G5+As)
159
Fine, I’ll accept that Epstein wasn’t murdered. I choose to believe we was allowed to kill himself, a la Frank Pentangeli in Godfather II.
Posted by: weew
Damn, I hated that character. Such a whiner. Wish Sonnie had been around to knock him around from time to time.
Posted by: weew
Damn, I hated that character. Such a whiner. Wish Sonnie had been around to knock him around from time to time.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 02:43 PM (77rzZ)
160
If you form an association you are still independent?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:44 PM (zhBpy)
161
It's the story of the American Dream, really. Happens all the time.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:37 PM (uCjyK)
100
Never believe a conspiracy theory until you hear the official denials.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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I would think statements today and the last week qualify as official denials.
Trump first term Sec. of Labor, (Alex?) Acosta, who was the DA prosecuting Epstein for sex trafficking misconduct at Palm Beach, specifically mentioned that Epstein was involved with intelligence/law enforcement agencies at the time.
No reason that stopped in places like NYC, the Island, and New Mexico because Trump blew the whistle in Miami.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:37 PM (uCjyK)
100
Never believe a conspiracy theory until you hear the official denials.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
======
I would think statements today and the last week qualify as official denials.
Trump first term Sec. of Labor, (Alex?) Acosta, who was the DA prosecuting Epstein for sex trafficking misconduct at Palm Beach, specifically mentioned that Epstein was involved with intelligence/law enforcement agencies at the time.
No reason that stopped in places like NYC, the Island, and New Mexico because Trump blew the whistle in Miami.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:44 PM (ctrM5)
162
If there was a blackmail list why didn’t he have a kill switch if he was murdered? Why is Maxwell still breathing?
I'd guess Maxwell has the actual switch and Epstein didn't.
And remember until Trump forced the issue fedgov wouldn't arrest Maxwell either - she was "hiding" openly in New Hampshire.
I'd guess Maxwell has the actual switch and Epstein didn't.
And remember until Trump forced the issue fedgov wouldn't arrest Maxwell either - she was "hiding" openly in New Hampshire.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 02:44 PM (t0Rmr)
163
Ace is lost it dosnt take much looking to see our “greatest” ally targeted and captured American politicians. Trying to explain it away and hope the rest of us don’t remember is just sad
Posted by: Goucho at July 08, 2025 02:42 PM
France, our oldest enemy.
*touches nose*
Posted by: Goucho at July 08, 2025 02:42 PM
France, our oldest enemy.
*touches nose*
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 02:44 PM (jc0TO)
164
I was President and a Client!
Posted by: Sy Sperling, Client AND President at July 08, 2025 02:44 PM (G5+As)
165
127 My question is this: wouldn't the list of people Ghislaine trafficked the girls to be considered a client list? And if there was no sort of list, does that mean she got convicted of trafficking to no one?
Posted by: bluebell at July 08, 2025 02:40 PM (P/Jb0)
Somehow she was convicted of sex trafficking, and yet there was not a single person who was alleged to have received that trafficked sex.
How does this not get overturned on appeal, especially now that the government is saying "we have no videos, and there was no list."
SO then what is the predicate for the sex trafficking charges? You need to be trafficked TO someone, otherwise it's just statutory rape.
Posted by: bluebell at July 08, 2025 02:40 PM (P/Jb0)
Somehow she was convicted of sex trafficking, and yet there was not a single person who was alleged to have received that trafficked sex.
How does this not get overturned on appeal, especially now that the government is saying "we have no videos, and there was no list."
SO then what is the predicate for the sex trafficking charges? You need to be trafficked TO someone, otherwise it's just statutory rape.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:44 PM (uCjyK)
166
We have some real one note posters
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 02:44 PM (VPwHp)
167
... Putin screwed the pooch
Posted by: SMOD
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And our decision rested on him doing the right thing? WE screwed the pooch.
... Putin screwed the pooch
Posted by: SMOD
===============
And our decision rested on him doing the right thing? WE screwed the pooch.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 02:45 PM (nC9OT)
168
I think this all has to do with aliens and Area 51.
Posted by: Weasel at July 08, 2025 02:45 PM (idFWj)
169
I think he did kill himself. I also think those who can be identified in the videos would reveal something bigger about inner workings of various country’s spy organizations that will put other things into danger. But I do hate we won’t prosecute the disgusting people on the videos.
Posted by: Piper from the pool at July 08, 2025 02:45 PM (ZdaMQ)
170
Why would Epstein commit suicide when he was just about to be found innocent of all charges due to lack of evidence?
Posted by: Oglebay at July 08, 2025 02:45 PM (MMp6W)
171
Keep in mind that Crowder tried to enact the scenario that the FNM claims is how Epstein killed himself and couldn't do it.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 02:45 PM (t0Rmr)
172
"Or did you think he was running an actual house of prostitution, whereby "clients" would pay him cash-on-the-barrelhead for specific sexual acts from specific prostitutes?"
No, that is not how the ultra-rich work. Just like with Diddy's parties, it's more a gathering of very rich and powerful people, with tons of booze, drugs, and lavish living. That always attracts a certain kind of woman.
The "johns" don't pay the girls in discrete transactions like a prostitute would get paid. The girls are "paid" by being allowed a taste of the ultra-rich lifestyle. How much will normal people pay for a vacation on a private jet to a lavish private island where everything is included and nothing is forbidden? Tens of thousands of dollars, for sure. These girls are just paying in sex.
No, that is not how the ultra-rich work. Just like with Diddy's parties, it's more a gathering of very rich and powerful people, with tons of booze, drugs, and lavish living. That always attracts a certain kind of woman.
The "johns" don't pay the girls in discrete transactions like a prostitute would get paid. The girls are "paid" by being allowed a taste of the ultra-rich lifestyle. How much will normal people pay for a vacation on a private jet to a lavish private island where everything is included and nothing is forbidden? Tens of thousands of dollars, for sure. These girls are just paying in sex.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 08, 2025 02:45 PM (iFTx/)
173
Uh huh. The massive cover up that started immediately after his very suspicious death, from FBI lightning raids on a dead man's properties that apparently yielded no evidence, to the mysterious island fire, to the Kash Patel hostage videos and that bizarre stunt with Bondi's press conference... it all makes sense now that Trump's straight-shootin' DoJ says it does. Or somethin'.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (BI5O2)
174
Reading the histories of those agencies does not give me the same confidence as to their probity.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:36 PM (ctrM5)
****
Well, yeah, there is a non-zero probability you are right. I still think it is more probable that is was after the fact, but you could be right and I could be wrong.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:36 PM (ctrM5)
****
Well, yeah, there is a non-zero probability you are right. I still think it is more probable that is was after the fact, but you could be right and I could be wrong.
Posted by: EFG at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (6Y7N9)
175
How does this not get overturned on appeal, especially now that the government is saying "we have no videos, and there was no list."
SO then what is the predicate for the sex trafficking charges? You need to be trafficked TO someone, otherwise it's just statutory rape.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:44 PM (uCjyK)
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That may actually happen.
SO then what is the predicate for the sex trafficking charges? You need to be trafficked TO someone, otherwise it's just statutory rape.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:44 PM (uCjyK)
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That may actually happen.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (PMtkd)
176
If you form an association you are still independent?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:44 PM
Yes.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:44 PM
Yes.
Posted by: Intragalactic Yoko Ono Artistries Appreciation Association, AoSHQ Claque at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (0sNs1)
177
We have some real one note posters
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 02:44 PM (VPwHp)
......what's your point?
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 02:44 PM (VPwHp)
......what's your point?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: eleven at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (fV+MH)
179
106 96 I doubt our intelligence guys would be proactively pimping out minors, but taking advantage after the fact?
Possible.
Posted by: EFG
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You're being sarcastic, right?
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 02:38 PM (PMtkd)
****
I am not being sarcastic.
Possible.
Posted by: EFG
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You're being sarcastic, right?
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 02:38 PM (PMtkd)
****
I am not being sarcastic.
Posted by: EFG at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (6Y7N9)
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I think Epstein was basically running a “yacht girl” establishment on his plane and an island in the Virgin Islands. Plenty of willing pretty young women who wanted to meet wealthy men and have a good time with lots of accoutrements to make them feel valuable and wealthy and maybe parlay it into a bigger opportunity. The men were there for fun and Epstein wanted to gain status and info to advance himself. Like Ace says. Sure they were perverts but that’s everywhere— I give you Hollywood for starters.
Posted by: keena at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (RiTnx)
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Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM
They are just trying to get ahead of the next polling disaster for the 2026 midterms.
Some of the polling outfits had harris up by 2-3+ the friday before the election. rasmussen did come the closest in national polling though with Trump up by 3+ the week before the election.
, @InsiderPolling
, @Rasmussen_Poll
, & @trafalgar_group
have announced the formation of The National Association of Independent Pollsters.
Members will be chosen based solely on consistent public polling accuracy.
Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM
They are just trying to get ahead of the next polling disaster for the 2026 midterms.
Some of the polling outfits had harris up by 2-3+ the friday before the election. rasmussen did come the closest in national polling though with Trump up by 3+ the week before the election.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (e5NfL)
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After reading and seeing some documentaries about Epstein I am convinced he was a construct of the FIB, CYA .etc. He was supposed to be some marvelous Wall St. guy that got rich from that. But nobody had ever really heard of him in that arena. He comes out of nowhere and has all this. I think the aforementioned used Jeffy to get compromat on the rich and powerful. As an aside, I actually sailed past his lair years ago. The capt. just said it was some rich guy who had special palm trees flown in and that nobody knew much about him.
Posted by: Minnfidel at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (ewjUl)
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> Now is there a formal "client list"? This seems another one of those hyper specific dodges. So I am willing to believe that there is no document recovered from Epstein that is titled "client list"
I don't think it's a dodge. Epstein was a social climber. He used all of his contacts to make more contacts. If he had a little black book of contacts, how do you separate out the prospects from the clients? How do you separate the stepping stones from the clients? How do you separate the victims from the clients? Everyone's probably all jumbled together.
Even if they visited the island, who's to say what they did there? Master manipulators aren't going to demand you to f*ck a 12 year old immediately. They're going to let you discover your options at your pace. So some of the "clients" who visited the island maybe only had sex with an enthusiastic, perfectly legal aged woman.
Without the videos, who's to say? And I'm confident the really damning videos of the high profile "clients" are not in FBI custody.
I don't think it's a dodge. Epstein was a social climber. He used all of his contacts to make more contacts. If he had a little black book of contacts, how do you separate out the prospects from the clients? How do you separate the stepping stones from the clients? How do you separate the victims from the clients? Everyone's probably all jumbled together.
Even if they visited the island, who's to say what they did there? Master manipulators aren't going to demand you to f*ck a 12 year old immediately. They're going to let you discover your options at your pace. So some of the "clients" who visited the island maybe only had sex with an enthusiastic, perfectly legal aged woman.
Without the videos, who's to say? And I'm confident the really damning videos of the high profile "clients" are not in FBI custody.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (lIio7)
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Intel agency basic tactics include paying folks to co-opt others. Epstein had access and most likely ran a brothel of grown women for others to blackmail them on behalf of others. Occam's Razor for me anyway.
The bottom line is the files are gone and we will never know.
Also, this and amnesty are being used by the UniParty to fracture MAGA. Period.
The bottom line is the files are gone and we will never know.
Also, this and amnesty are being used by the UniParty to fracture MAGA. Period.
Posted by: Danimal28 at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (1E4GV)
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How did Epstein make money without clients?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (zhBpy)
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Hey Ace. I agree with everything in your post, but I specifically want to commend you for the use of the double contraction “we’d’ve.” I couldn’t’ve said it any better.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at July 08, 2025 02:36 PM (cnBdQ)
Wow, Buck - I thought you had a better command of grammar. It's "we'd of" and "couldn't of". Everybody knows that. Or at least I'd of thought so. I guess I shouldn't of.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at July 08, 2025 02:36 PM (cnBdQ)
Wow, Buck - I thought you had a better command of grammar. It's "we'd of" and "couldn't of". Everybody knows that. Or at least I'd of thought so. I guess I shouldn't of.
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (5jU2p)
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> 138 Keep in mind Prince Andrew admitted to being a client. They could issue an arrest warrant for him at any time.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (t0Rmr)
They'd never get an extradition for him. Even ignoring the fact that he's a royal, 17 is legal age in the UK.
Countries generally will not extradite you for something that's legal in their own jurisdiction.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (t0Rmr)
They'd never get an extradition for him. Even ignoring the fact that he's a royal, 17 is legal age in the UK.
Countries generally will not extradite you for something that's legal in their own jurisdiction.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (qpyNK)
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Re: the Epstein files (something I’ve posted before(
As discussed yesterday, read the announcement carefully - EPSTEIN didn’t have a list. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t one.
I think it’s not only possible, but likely that Epstein was just the front man to give a face to the joint, and that the entire operation was being run by elements of the FBI/CIA along with the Israeli Mossad, and almost certainly British Intelligence as well . (A whole lot of brits involved). Purpose? To obtain backdoor control of most Western Governments. Heck I’d bet that all 5 Eyes were involved to some extent.
And that will also be why everyone gets scared and clams up when they finally find out what was really going on there. It’s the ultimate Plot that can Never be Mentioned. It has to be, since everyone who looks into it walks away saying “I don’t wanna play no more.”
As discussed yesterday, read the announcement carefully - EPSTEIN didn’t have a list. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t one.
I think it’s not only possible, but likely that Epstein was just the front man to give a face to the joint, and that the entire operation was being run by elements of the FBI/CIA along with the Israeli Mossad, and almost certainly British Intelligence as well . (A whole lot of brits involved). Purpose? To obtain backdoor control of most Western Governments. Heck I’d bet that all 5 Eyes were involved to some extent.
And that will also be why everyone gets scared and clams up when they finally find out what was really going on there. It’s the ultimate Plot that can Never be Mentioned. It has to be, since everyone who looks into it walks away saying “I don’t wanna play no more.”
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2025 02:47 PM (uWKK8)
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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:44 PM (uCjyK)
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Exactly! Also, aside from the late Virginia Giuffre, who was trafficked? I can't remember, is there some list of Jane Does whose names are being withheld in the interests of privacy and protection?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:44 PM (uCjyK)
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Exactly! Also, aside from the late Virginia Giuffre, who was trafficked? I can't remember, is there some list of Jane Does whose names are being withheld in the interests of privacy and protection?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 02:47 PM (nC9OT)
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Aliens in Area 51, Batboy, the Epstein List. Shit I could care less about.
Posted by: JROD at July 08, 2025 02:47 PM (IlL6s)
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I definitely don't think Epstein killed himself. No opinion on the rest of the sordid affair.
Posted by: Max Power at July 08, 2025 02:47 PM (q177U)
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If Trump was an "Epstein client," we'd've heard about it in 2015.
But his name is in the files! Elon said so!
But his name is in the files! Elon said so!
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 02:47 PM (77rzZ)
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Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 02:43 PM (nC9OT)
And Epstein showed one of the warning signs.
He was stressed for a long time in custody for obvious reasons but the day before or so he was very happy and relaxed , like a great burden had been lifted. That occurs frequently with people who commit suicide shortly after.
The burden that’s lifted is their decision to kill themself and eliminate all their problems.
And Epstein showed one of the warning signs.
He was stressed for a long time in custody for obvious reasons but the day before or so he was very happy and relaxed , like a great burden had been lifted. That occurs frequently with people who commit suicide shortly after.
The burden that’s lifted is their decision to kill themself and eliminate all their problems.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 02:47 PM (VofaG)
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"Ghislaine Maxwell, who is serving 20 years for child sex trafficking and other related crimes."
For trafficking children to clients that didn't exist?
For trafficking children to clients that didn't exist?
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 08, 2025 02:47 PM (qqhg7)
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......what's your point?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (Zz0t1)
Gets old
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (Zz0t1)
Gets old
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 02:47 PM (VPwHp)
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"So why would he cover this up? It makes no sense."
Well, the information provides a huge amount of leverage to whoever owns it.
That said, I don't think there is a list.
Think about it - if you have documented evidence, lists and videos, and you ever get busted, that evidence could be used against you. Two crimes were committed here - the sexual acts with minors AND setting up such acts to occur.
Hence the safest course of action is not to retain any evidence at all but simply tell people (or imply) you have such evidence. You get all the benefit, and none of the risk.
You don't have to have the videos or lists to blackmail someone - you don't even have to SAY you do, just imply it. Even subtly (I remember when you came to the island - we had such a good time. Gee, I hope nobody ever finds out what happened there, wink wink.)
Well, the information provides a huge amount of leverage to whoever owns it.
That said, I don't think there is a list.
Think about it - if you have documented evidence, lists and videos, and you ever get busted, that evidence could be used against you. Two crimes were committed here - the sexual acts with minors AND setting up such acts to occur.
Hence the safest course of action is not to retain any evidence at all but simply tell people (or imply) you have such evidence. You get all the benefit, and none of the risk.
You don't have to have the videos or lists to blackmail someone - you don't even have to SAY you do, just imply it. Even subtly (I remember when you came to the island - we had such a good time. Gee, I hope nobody ever finds out what happened there, wink wink.)
Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at July 08, 2025 02:47 PM (gDhA9)
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Keep in mind that Crowder tried to enact the scenario that the FNM claims is how Epstein killed himself and couldn't do it.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 02:45 PM (t0Rmr)
He wasn't able to generate the power necessary to break the neck in the space available.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 02:45 PM (t0Rmr)
He wasn't able to generate the power necessary to break the neck in the space available.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:47 PM (Zz0t1)
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I think this all has to do with aliens and Area 51.
Posted by: Weasel at July 08, 2025 02:45 PM
* nods *
* smiles *
Posted by: Weasel at July 08, 2025 02:45 PM
* nods *
* smiles *
Posted by: Big Penguin at July 08, 2025 02:47 PM (0sNs1)
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Epstein never had a client list, and never blackmailed anyone. He always obeyed the law.
Posted by: Epstein's Mom
Not even a parking ticket!
Posted by: Epstein's Mom
Not even a parking ticket!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 02:48 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:48 PM (Zz0t1)
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"There is no client list" is a sneaky, semantic argument.
Posted by: Max Power at July 08, 2025 02:48 PM (q177U)
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How does this not get overturned on appeal, especially now that the government is saying "we have no videos, and there was no list."
SO then what is the predicate for the sex trafficking charges? You need to be trafficked TO someone, otherwise it's just statutory rape.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
It's not rven he said/she said. It's just she said.
SO then what is the predicate for the sex trafficking charges? You need to be trafficked TO someone, otherwise it's just statutory rape.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
It's not rven he said/she said. It's just she said.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:48 PM (Yh9jm)
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185 How did Epstein make money without clients?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (zhBpy)
How did Epstein make the money to start making the money without clients?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (zhBpy)
How did Epstein make the money to start making the money without clients?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 08, 2025 02:48 PM (1GV/C)
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The "johns" don't pay the girls in discrete transactions like a prostitute would get paid. The girls are "paid" by being allowed a taste of the ultra-rich lifestyle. How much will normal people pay for a vacation on a private jet to a lavish private island where everything is included and nothing is forbidden? Tens of thousands of dollars, for sure. These girls are just paying in sex.
I'm reminded of the Whatever podcast session where they discussed this. A number of the girls had been invited to yacht parties by rich guys and they all noted that the yacht owner always expected sex...which he got - because they all knew one girl that didn't and she didn't get invited back to that yacht or any others.
Brian Atlas guided them through the notion that they were paying for the yacht experience with sex and the girls did not like that notion at all but I don't think any of them stopped going either.
The "johns" don't pay the girls in discrete transactions like a prostitute would get paid. The girls are "paid" by being allowed a taste of the ultra-rich lifestyle. How much will normal people pay for a vacation on a private jet to a lavish private island where everything is included and nothing is forbidden? Tens of thousands of dollars, for sure. These girls are just paying in sex.
I'm reminded of the Whatever podcast session where they discussed this. A number of the girls had been invited to yacht parties by rich guys and they all noted that the yacht owner always expected sex...which he got - because they all knew one girl that didn't and she didn't get invited back to that yacht or any others.
Brian Atlas guided them through the notion that they were paying for the yacht experience with sex and the girls did not like that notion at all but I don't think any of them stopped going either.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 02:48 PM (t0Rmr)
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"What difference does it make, anyway?" -- Hillzebub, maybe not admitting details, but enjoying humblebrags
I don't think Slapton Sands is the same type of issue. It's asinine, not completely vile.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
But the people involved, including Ike himself, found it somehow convenient to keep up the coverup because they might be criticized which would hurt the organization. This is the sort of bullshit that is the true foul golden ticket of being in the ruling class. Killary's excuse is blunt truth compared with others' evasions but that is how powermad assholes that believe it might hurt their powerbase to admit to mistakes, wrong doing, etc.
That is what did Nixon in, the coverup, and his failure to destroy the tapes showing that is actually to his credit.
I don't think Slapton Sands is the same type of issue. It's asinine, not completely vile.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
But the people involved, including Ike himself, found it somehow convenient to keep up the coverup because they might be criticized which would hurt the organization. This is the sort of bullshit that is the true foul golden ticket of being in the ruling class. Killary's excuse is blunt truth compared with others' evasions but that is how powermad assholes that believe it might hurt their powerbase to admit to mistakes, wrong doing, etc.
That is what did Nixon in, the coverup, and his failure to destroy the tapes showing that is actually to his credit.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:48 PM (ctrM5)
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There were a few, relative to the numbers stated, women who testified against her. Running an illegal trap would be cause not to create a 'client list'. A 'contacts' in the telephone could no more be a client list than an airplane manifest.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (EeO/8)
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152 To run a blackmail op, whether at the behest of the IC or for private gain, you have to have good proof that the target compromised himself. Whether that's a list or some other type of file, it's going to exist. The idea that this is lacking, never existed is preposterous. No one reasonable would believe such a thing.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 08, 2025 02:43 PM (TdYBy)
Absolutely. It's completely useless for Epstein to say "Hey, Bill Gates, I don't have any proof of it, but I'll tell Page Six you fucked a 15 year old if you don't do [xyz]."
Of course he'd need to have evidence for that to be a real threat.
I feel like we're living in crazy world lately. I'm really supposed to believe that the FBI / CIA / NSA / Deep State not only has NOTHING and knows nothing of this whole Epstein operation, but that they all 100% know for sure (as Kash Patel said on Rogan) that Epstein killed himself and that there is no way to know who he trafficked the girls to, and also, let's just move on?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 08, 2025 02:43 PM (TdYBy)
Absolutely. It's completely useless for Epstein to say "Hey, Bill Gates, I don't have any proof of it, but I'll tell Page Six you fucked a 15 year old if you don't do [xyz]."
Of course he'd need to have evidence for that to be a real threat.
I feel like we're living in crazy world lately. I'm really supposed to believe that the FBI / CIA / NSA / Deep State not only has NOTHING and knows nothing of this whole Epstein operation, but that they all 100% know for sure (as Kash Patel said on Rogan) that Epstein killed himself and that there is no way to know who he trafficked the girls to, and also, let's just move on?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (uCjyK)
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Bots and paid 'influencers' seem to show up here every few days. But at least if they're here , they're not crowing over the deaths of little girls.
Posted by: LASue at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (lCppi)
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188 Re: the Epstein files (something I’ve posted before(
As discussed yesterday, read the announcement carefully - EPSTEIN didn’t have a list. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t one.
I think it’s not only possible, but likely that Epstein was just the front man to give a face to the joint, and that the entire operation was being run by elements of the FBI/CIA along with the Israeli Mossad, and almost certainly British Intelligence as well . (A whole lot of brits involved). Purpose? To obtain backdoor control of most Western Governments. Heck I’d bet that all 5 Eyes were involved to some extent.
And that will also be why everyone gets scared and clams up when they finally find out what was really going on there. It’s the ultimate Plot that can Never be Mentioned. It has to be, since everyone who looks into it walks away saying “I don’t wanna play no more.”
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2025 02:47 PM (uWKK
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Yes.
As discussed yesterday, read the announcement carefully - EPSTEIN didn’t have a list. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t one.
I think it’s not only possible, but likely that Epstein was just the front man to give a face to the joint, and that the entire operation was being run by elements of the FBI/CIA along with the Israeli Mossad, and almost certainly British Intelligence as well . (A whole lot of brits involved). Purpose? To obtain backdoor control of most Western Governments. Heck I’d bet that all 5 Eyes were involved to some extent.
And that will also be why everyone gets scared and clams up when they finally find out what was really going on there. It’s the ultimate Plot that can Never be Mentioned. It has to be, since everyone who looks into it walks away saying “I don’t wanna play no more.”
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2025 02:47 PM (uWKK
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Yes.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (PMtkd)
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Fortunately for the Clintons Virginia Guiffre (The girl pictured with Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell, as well as with Bill Clinton) has become the 57th suicide victim known by the Clintons.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (Da7Vv)
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>>> 150
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Doesn't the threat of blackmail usually rest mostly on you having some sort of evidence you can leak to the public proving the bad thing that they don't want to become known?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 08, 2025 02:42 PM (B9Prs)
Depends on who you're blackmailing, and why, and if there is other leverage that could be applied before going to the nuclear option. Gill Bates has had an awful lot of lucky breaks to get to his billions, which he recently said he plans to donate about 98% to some "charity".
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Doesn't the threat of blackmail usually rest mostly on you having some sort of evidence you can leak to the public proving the bad thing that they don't want to become known?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 08, 2025 02:42 PM (B9Prs)
Depends on who you're blackmailing, and why, and if there is other leverage that could be applied before going to the nuclear option. Gill Bates has had an awful lot of lucky breaks to get to his billions, which he recently said he plans to donate about 98% to some "charity".
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (ULPxl)
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> 185 How did Epstein make money without clients?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (zhBpy)
He provided "wealth management services", charging a broker's commission. It's pretty common in that world to provide free hookers/strippers/drugs to clients. It's just that they're usually not underage.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (zhBpy)
He provided "wealth management services", charging a broker's commission. It's pretty common in that world to provide free hookers/strippers/drugs to clients. It's just that they're usually not underage.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (qpyNK)
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How did Epstein make money without clients?
Posted by: Boss Moss
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These weren't people paying him for a service -- $100k/night for a 14-year-old blonde virgin etc. They were giving him tips for insider trades and such because he had the goods on them. Think of it that way.
How did Epstein make money without clients?
Posted by: Boss Moss
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These weren't people paying him for a service -- $100k/night for a 14-year-old blonde virgin etc. They were giving him tips for insider trades and such because he had the goods on them. Think of it that way.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (nC9OT)
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (VPwHp)
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i love my shit pebbles
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (Pww3C)
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Hence the safest course of action is not to retain any evidence at all but simply tell people (or imply) you have such evidence. You get all the benefit, and none of the risk.
You don't have to have the videos or lists to blackmail someone - you don't even have to SAY you do, just imply it. Even subtly (I remember when you came to the island - we had such a good time. Gee, I hope nobody ever finds out what happened there, wink wink.)
Posted by: El Mariachi
Could also get you easily killed.
You don't have to have the videos or lists to blackmail someone - you don't even have to SAY you do, just imply it. Even subtly (I remember when you came to the island - we had such a good time. Gee, I hope nobody ever finds out what happened there, wink wink.)
Posted by: El Mariachi
Could also get you easily killed.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (Yh9jm)
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208 Bots and paid 'influencers' seem to show up here every few days. But at least if they're here , they're not crowing over the deaths of little girls.
Posted by: LASue at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (lCppi)
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Don't forget us glowies!
Posted by: LASue at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (lCppi)
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Don't forget us glowies!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (Zz0t1)
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They let Epstein teach Math without a degree.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (zhBpy)
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It will crash governments. Ours included. Especially if 20 or 40 congressmen and senators are listed as having sex with underaged girls.
Posted by: rickb223
Would it though?
And which would be worse, it crashing the government or it not crashing the government?
Posted by: rickb223
Would it though?
And which would be worse, it crashing the government or it not crashing the government?
Posted by: FeatherBlade at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (a+4eV)
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No one talks about what they found in his huge NM mansion/ranch. It was raided as well.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (/U5Yz)
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Epstein and Trump were best buddies for DECADES. Trump flew on the infamous LolitaExpress often
Epstein was an honored guest atar A Laho i.e. did not have to pay membership fees. He rained on that status for TWO years after his sex trafficking if minors conviction.
The US attorney who gave him his sweetheart deal ( weekends only private cell take out food!) was a guy named Acosta. Trump made him he is Sec of Labor
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (Pww3C)
Everything this guy just said is bullshit.
Epstein was an honored guest atar A Laho i.e. did not have to pay membership fees. He rained on that status for TWO years after his sex trafficking if minors conviction.
The US attorney who gave him his sweetheart deal ( weekends only private cell take out food!) was a guy named Acosta. Trump made him he is Sec of Labor
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (Pww3C)
Everything this guy just said is bullshit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (Zz0t1)
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The best client was Alan Dershowitz. He claims he was only getting legitimate massages from these young girls. Swearsies.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (VofaG)
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203 185 How did Epstein make money without clients?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (zhBpy)
How did Epstein make the money to start making the money without clients?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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Wexner. Wexner himself has a shady past.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:46 PM (zhBpy)
How did Epstein make the money to start making the money without clients?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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Wexner. Wexner himself has a shady past.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (ctrM5)
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we did a thorough CTRL-F on his whole hard drive for "client list" and there was nothing to see, case closed
Posted by: FBI at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (jGJov)
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mmm, why wouldn't Epstein keep a list? does Ace think there were so few visitors to Pedo Island that Epstein could just keep it all in his head? These rich and powerful people went there for a little discreet "fun" provided by JE, and then deals were done...... or deals were done at some later date........ not to mention that it is alleged that he worked for several intelligence agencies...... so it's not a stretch to think that after a whale was caught in JE's web, they found themselves doing "favors" for certain governments....... Bondi first said there was a list and it was on her desk.....now there is no list....... highly suspicious....almost like a CIA coverup.
Posted by: Monica at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (kfQcw)
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To be fair, association with the Clintons would probably drive anyone into despondency.
To be fair, association with the Clintons would probably drive anyone into despondency.
Posted by: Auspex at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (j4U/Z)
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190 Aliens in Area 51, Batboy, the Epstein List. Shit I could care less about.
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Batboy is worth having on your BOLO list.
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Batboy is worth having on your BOLO list.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (W3T6M)
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LOL, AIPAC of Spades finally weighs in on this topic with such a weak opinion. Sad!
Posted by: UA113 at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM (vhZqv)
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I stand with Ace.
I see real live human traffickers being deported. More of this please.
While I would love to see the Clinton's doomed and walking the National Mall tarred and feathered, life goes on.
Reminder: WE WON in 2024. That's all that matters to me.
I see real live human traffickers being deported. More of this please.
While I would love to see the Clinton's doomed and walking the National Mall tarred and feathered, life goes on.
Reminder: WE WON in 2024. That's all that matters to me.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM (6PCLE)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM (Zz0t1)
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219 They let Epstein teach Math without a degree.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (zhBpy)
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Bill Barr's dad is the one who hired him. He's a shady fricken guy to say the least.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (zhBpy)
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Bill Barr's dad is the one who hired him. He's a shady fricken guy to say the least.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM (PMtkd)
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He wasn't able to generate the power necessary to break the neck in the space available.
And he was younger, stronger, and had forensic advice on hand.
And he was younger, stronger, and had forensic advice on hand.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM (t0Rmr)
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What would make this okay is a huge bust of whatever filled the Epstein vacuum and a reveal would put that at risk.
We can hope it is something like this.
We can hope it is something like this.
Posted by: Piper from the pool at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM (ZdaMQ)
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132 I listen to old time radio shows at night to help me sleep. One of my favorite shows is X Minus 1, a syfy anthology. Last night's episode concerned first contact between on of our spaceships and an alien spaceship. Both the commanders completely confuse themselves in an effort to gain an advantage over the other. Eventually, they are paralyzed by fear because they have no idea what is true and what is false.
That's the way I feel these days when I don't know who to trust or what to believe. Maybe I should just give up and get a Magic 8 Ball.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (L/fGl)
God do I miss Art Bell
That's the way I feel these days when I don't know who to trust or what to believe. Maybe I should just give up and get a Magic 8 Ball.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (L/fGl)
God do I miss Art Bell
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM (FCrpy)
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I feel like we're living in crazy world lately. I'm really supposed to believe that the FBI / CIA / NSA / Deep State not only has NOTHING and knows nothing of this whole Epstein operation, but that they all 100% know for sure (as Kash Patel said on Rogan) that Epstein killed himself and that there is no way to know who he trafficked the girls to, and also, let's just move on?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:49
I feel like we are living in crazy town since probably Obama. There's zero justice or accountability for anything.
I feel like we're living in crazy world lately. I'm really supposed to believe that the FBI / CIA / NSA / Deep State not only has NOTHING and knows nothing of this whole Epstein operation, but that they all 100% know for sure (as Kash Patel said on Rogan) that Epstein killed himself and that there is no way to know who he trafficked the girls to, and also, let's just move on?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:49
I feel like we are living in crazy town since probably Obama. There's zero justice or accountability for anything.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM (CueAq)
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223 The best client was Alan Dershowitz. He claims he was only getting legitimate massages from these young girls. Swearsies.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (VofaG)
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HA!
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (VofaG)
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HA!
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 02:52 PM (PMtkd)
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But, I am largely a one trick pony.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM (Zz0t1)
Maybe not even that.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM (Zz0t1)
Maybe not even that.
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 02:52 PM (VPwHp)
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But even if it is, it doesn't surprise me, now that I think about it, that there wouldn't be an actual "client list" nor any formal blackmail.
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"Client List" or not, at some point, there needs to be a reckoning for the people used his services, both the folks committing statutory (and perhaps more literal) rape and anyone in the intelligence services that was responsible for running and covering for the operation.
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"Client List" or not, at some point, there needs to be a reckoning for the people used his services, both the folks committing statutory (and perhaps more literal) rape and anyone in the intelligence services that was responsible for running and covering for the operation.
Posted by: Methos at July 08, 2025 02:52 PM (zLwRl)
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I always figured this would ultimately get swept under the rug. And sure enough. The most famous sex trafficker in the world definitely had no clients whatsoever. He definitely killed himself in a cell where the camera wasn't working. Nothing to see here folks! These aren't the very rich and powerful pedophiles you were looking for. Move along.
Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at July 08, 2025 02:52 PM (V362x)
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>>extort him but just because he knows you could reveal his secrets, so it's best to keep you happy.
I think it was even more subtle than that. They knew he would never reveal their secrets, but they might easily exchange information and favors because they were "friends" and part of the same "club."
These people are not stupid and they had to trust him 100%. Now maybe others (not traceable to the Island operation) might act on some of the information (probably investment or intelligence actions) but everyone in the club had to feel that they were part of something exclusive and very sophisticated.
I think it was even more subtle than that. They knew he would never reveal their secrets, but they might easily exchange information and favors because they were "friends" and part of the same "club."
These people are not stupid and they had to trust him 100%. Now maybe others (not traceable to the Island operation) might act on some of the information (probably investment or intelligence actions) but everyone in the club had to feel that they were part of something exclusive and very sophisticated.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 08, 2025 02:52 PM (rcQTu)
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Just now looked at the previous thread. If any of those ten Antifas joined the 'movement' to get laid they sure trolling in polluted water. I mean boys, girls and that one guy particularly, in the bottom left-hand corner.
Posted by: Eromero at July 08, 2025 02:52 PM (LHPAg)
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And that will also be why everyone gets scared and clams up when they finally find out what was really going on there. It’s the ultimate Plot that can Never be Mentioned. It has to be, since everyone who looks into it walks away saying “I don’t wanna play no more.”
On the nose.
On the nose.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at July 08, 2025 02:52 PM (Da7Vv)
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He provided "wealth management services", charging a broker's commission. It's pretty common in that world to provide free hookers/strippers/drugs to clients. It's just that they're usually not underage.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
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He had one client. Wexner. Wealth was considerably overstated as well but Wexner provided Epstein with what he needed including his NYC property.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
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He had one client. Wexner. Wealth was considerably overstated as well but Wexner provided Epstein with what he needed including his NYC property.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:52 PM (ctrM5)
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I haven't read all the comments but, has anyone noted that some of us beat memes to death yet?
Posted by: that guy that hasn't read all the comments at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (jc0TO)
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What would make this okay is a huge bust of whatever filled the Epstein vacuum and a reveal would put that at risk.
We can hope it is something like this.
Posted by: Piper from the pool at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM (ZdaMQ)
I miss the old days when Joe Mannix would post a link to a huge bust........
We can hope it is something like this.
Posted by: Piper from the pool at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM (ZdaMQ)
I miss the old days when Joe Mannix would post a link to a huge bust........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (Zz0t1)
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Batboy got a raw deal.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (77rzZ)
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Fortunately for the Clintons Virginia Guiffre (The girl pictured with Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell, as well as with Bill Clinton) has become the 57th suicide victim known by the Clintons.
Someone drove into her a couple of weeks before her "suicide" and she was initially given mere days to live.
Someone drove into her a couple of weeks before her "suicide" and she was initially given mere days to live.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (t0Rmr)
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Mystery solved!!!
"“Could you say why there was a minute missing from the jailhouse tape on the night of his death?” a reporter asked Pam Bondi.
“The minute missing from the video, we released the video showing definitively… the video was not conclusive, but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide,” Bondi said.
Bondi said every night at midnight the video has a minute missing.
This was news to everyone in the room except for Pam. She had 24 hours to prepare her answer."
"“Could you say why there was a minute missing from the jailhouse tape on the night of his death?” a reporter asked Pam Bondi.
“The minute missing from the video, we released the video showing definitively… the video was not conclusive, but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide,” Bondi said.
Bondi said every night at midnight the video has a minute missing.
This was news to everyone in the room except for Pam. She had 24 hours to prepare her answer."
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (0sNs1)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (Zz0t1)
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doubt our intelligence guys would be proactively pimping out minors
forgot the /sarc tag, right? I am quite certain that they have, they would, and are doing so even as I type this.
forgot the /sarc tag, right? I am quite certain that they have, they would, and are doing so even as I type this.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (dKEEs)
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He provided "wealth management services", charging a broker's commission. It's pretty common in that world to provide free hookers/strippers/drugs to clients. It's just that they're usually not underage.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM
Except from what I've read, nobody had ever heard of this guy in the financial sector. And he suddenly can afford his lair in the Carribean.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM
Except from what I've read, nobody had ever heard of this guy in the financial sector. And he suddenly can afford his lair in the Carribean.
Posted by: Minnfidel at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (ewjUl)
Posted by: eleven at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (fV+MH)
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Everything this guy just said is bullshit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (Zz0t1)
Times 10
Everything this guy just said is bullshit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (Zz0t1)
Times 10
Posted by: Piper from the pool at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (ZdaMQ)
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Doesn't the threat of blackmail usually rest mostly on you having some sort of evidence you can leak to the public proving the bad thing that they don't want to become known?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously
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I would think No. Blackmail can be "I know what you did last summer and I'll talk about it." Rumors can be just as bad as producing a video. Unproven accusations of racism and pedophilia can be lethal.
Doesn't the threat of blackmail usually rest mostly on you having some sort of evidence you can leak to the public proving the bad thing that they don't want to become known?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously
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I would think No. Blackmail can be "I know what you did last summer and I'll talk about it." Rumors can be just as bad as producing a video. Unproven accusations of racism and pedophilia can be lethal.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 02:54 PM (nC9OT)
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May be my imagination, but are we seeing more trolls than usual today?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 08, 2025 02:54 PM (PzXaK)
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Many years ago, I was involved in a murder case in which the victim was an upper middle class soccer mom who did a little whoring on the side. That's when I learned that where's on the internet have a star rating system like a gas can on Amazon.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 02:54 PM (L/fGl)
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if Jeffrey Epstein had no "clients" and there isn't a list and there was no extortion........... why is Ghislaine Maxwell in prison? wasn't she convicted of sex trafficking minors?
Posted by: Monica at July 08, 2025 02:54 PM (kfQcw)
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>>>I haven't read all the comments but, has anyone noted that some of us beat memes to death yet?
I saw Beating Memes to Death open for the Smashing Pumpkins at Numbers back in '95
I saw Beating Memes to Death open for the Smashing Pumpkins at Numbers back in '95
Posted by: brak at July 08, 2025 02:54 PM (jGJov)
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Any word on the cell number on the video being wrong?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:54 PM (zhBpy)
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Exactly! Also, aside from the late Virginia Giuffre, who was trafficked? I can't remember, is there some list of Jane Does whose names are being withheld in the interests of privacy and protection?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 02:47 PM (nC9OT)
Other girls have come out and been interviewed on podcasts and such, and many sued Epsteins estate and whatnot (anonymously).
A few testified against Ghislaine as well, I believe.
So these girls DO exist. And they likely DO know who they were trafficked to, and they seem to have a pretty good idea why, but we're supposed to pretend that none of this happened and we're conspiracy theorists for noticing that not a single John has been named or arrested in this international underage sex trafficking scandal?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 02:47 PM (nC9OT)
Other girls have come out and been interviewed on podcasts and such, and many sued Epsteins estate and whatnot (anonymously).
A few testified against Ghislaine as well, I believe.
So these girls DO exist. And they likely DO know who they were trafficked to, and they seem to have a pretty good idea why, but we're supposed to pretend that none of this happened and we're conspiracy theorists for noticing that not a single John has been named or arrested in this international underage sex trafficking scandal?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:54 PM (uCjyK)
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I miss the old days when Joe Mannix would post a link to a huge bust........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (Zz0t1)
What happened with that? Why does he hate us now?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (Zz0t1)
What happened with that? Why does he hate us now?
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 02:55 PM (5jU2p)
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What is very interesting Ghislaine Maxwell was the daughter of Robert Maxwell. He had close ties with Mossad. He died under mysterious circumstances.
he reportedly also engaged in blackmail/spying/embezzlement.
he reportedly also engaged in blackmail/spying/embezzlement.
Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at July 08, 2025 02:55 PM (gDhA9)
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>>> 205
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But the people involved, including Ike himself, found it somehow convenient to keep up the coverup because they might be criticized which would hurt the organization. This is the sort of bullshit that is the true foul golden ticket of being in the ruling class. Killary's excuse is blunt truth compared with others' evasions but that is how powermad assholes that believe it might hurt their powerbase to admit to mistakes, wrong doing, etc.
That is what did Nixon in, the coverup, and his failure to destroy the tapes showing that is actually to his credit.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:48 PM (ctrM5)
Ike was presumably not a complete psycho, and Slapton Sands didn't involve trafficking young children. Still don't think these are the same category of groups / behaviors.
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But the people involved, including Ike himself, found it somehow convenient to keep up the coverup because they might be criticized which would hurt the organization. This is the sort of bullshit that is the true foul golden ticket of being in the ruling class. Killary's excuse is blunt truth compared with others' evasions but that is how powermad assholes that believe it might hurt their powerbase to admit to mistakes, wrong doing, etc.
That is what did Nixon in, the coverup, and his failure to destroy the tapes showing that is actually to his credit.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:48 PM (ctrM5)
Ike was presumably not a complete psycho, and Slapton Sands didn't involve trafficking young children. Still don't think these are the same category of groups / behaviors.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 08, 2025 02:55 PM (ULPxl)
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I understand that Maxwell was convicted of sex trafficking girls to Epstein. I don't think that's how sex trafficking works, but if this is the theory then technically there might not be any need for any other johns.
I personally don't think this was an actual criminal trial as much as a referendum on who is politically expendable. Epstein and Maxwell got away with this for years, because they were powerful and connected. Then they fell out of favor, became the poster boys for sleaze, and suddenly a conviction was almost a foregone conclusion.
Same with Fat Harvy and Puff Daddy.
I personally don't think this was an actual criminal trial as much as a referendum on who is politically expendable. Epstein and Maxwell got away with this for years, because they were powerful and connected. Then they fell out of favor, became the poster boys for sleaze, and suddenly a conviction was almost a foregone conclusion.
Same with Fat Harvy and Puff Daddy.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 08, 2025 02:55 PM (iFTx/)
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Would it though?
And which would be worse, it crashing the government or it not crashing the government?
Posted by: FeatherBlade
I'm all for taking out a dozen congressmen and senators and one or two SCOTUS judges and a handful of CEO's and not just in our country either.
Take out a few Princes, maybe a Prime Minister or two...
And which would be worse, it crashing the government or it not crashing the government?
Posted by: FeatherBlade
I'm all for taking out a dozen congressmen and senators and one or two SCOTUS judges and a handful of CEO's and not just in our country either.
Take out a few Princes, maybe a Prime Minister or two...
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:55 PM (Yh9jm)
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I miss the old days when Joe Mannix would post a link to a huge bust........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM
In fairness, he often described them as blonde, when the naturalness of that was questionable.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM
In fairness, he often described them as blonde, when the naturalness of that was questionable.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at July 08, 2025 02:55 PM (0sNs1)
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>>>Think about it - if you have documented evidence, lists and videos, and you ever get busted, that evidence could be used against you. Two crimes were committed here - the sexual acts with minors AND setting up such acts to occur.
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Or the evidence has an expiration date. When it reaches 'no value' it's eliminated.
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Or the evidence has an expiration date. When it reaches 'no value' it's eliminated.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 08, 2025 02:55 PM (EeO/8)
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IOW, this was like a revolting version of "golfing buddies."
Everyone knows the guys who golfs with the CEO end up with the promotions and best offices. It is not blackmail, but bonding.
Everyone knows the guys who golfs with the CEO end up with the promotions and best offices. It is not blackmail, but bonding.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 08, 2025 02:55 PM (rcQTu)
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I miss the old days when Joe Mannix would post a link to a huge bust........
Posted by: Sponge
Well, we've still got Ackbar.
And you also have been known to post such links from time to time.
Posted by: Sponge
Well, we've still got Ackbar.
And you also have been known to post such links from time to time.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 02:55 PM (77rzZ)
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forgot the /sarc tag, right? I am quite certain that they have, they would, and are doing so even as I type this.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (dKEEs)
*******
I did not forget the /sarc tag.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (dKEEs)
*******
I did not forget the /sarc tag.
Posted by: EFG at July 08, 2025 02:55 PM (6Y7N9)
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an unnamed Hamas security officer painted a grim picture about the status of the terrorist network for the BBC ...
"Let's be realistic here - there's barely anything left of the security structure. Most of the leadership, about 95%, are now dead... The active figures have all been killed," he said. "So really, what's stopping Israel from continuing this war?"
"Logically, it has to continue until the end. All the conditions are aligned: Israel has the upper hand, the world is silent, the Arab regimes are silent, criminal gangs are everywhere, society is collapsing." ...
"About the security situation, let me be clear: it has completely collapsed. Totally gone. There's no control anywhere," he said.
"People looted the most powerful Hamas security apparatus (Ansar), the complex which Hamas used to rule Gaza.
"They looted everything, the offices - mattresses, even zinc panels - and no-one intervened. No police, no security."
"Let's be realistic here - there's barely anything left of the security structure. Most of the leadership, about 95%, are now dead... The active figures have all been killed," he said. "So really, what's stopping Israel from continuing this war?"
"Logically, it has to continue until the end. All the conditions are aligned: Israel has the upper hand, the world is silent, the Arab regimes are silent, criminal gangs are everywhere, society is collapsing." ...
"About the security situation, let me be clear: it has completely collapsed. Totally gone. There's no control anywhere," he said.
"People looted the most powerful Hamas security apparatus (Ansar), the complex which Hamas used to rule Gaza.
"They looted everything, the offices - mattresses, even zinc panels - and no-one intervened. No police, no security."
Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2025 02:55 PM (RHGPo)
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What happened with that? Why does he hate us now?
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 02:55 PM (5jU2p)
Pfft.
He got a JOB and is all IMPORTANT n' shit........
What happened with that? Why does he hate us now?
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 02:55 PM (5jU2p)
Pfft.
He got a JOB and is all IMPORTANT n' shit........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:56 PM (Zz0t1)
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LOL, AIPAC of Spades finally weighs in on this topic with such a weak opinion. Sad!
Posted by: UA113 at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM
It's all good as long as you keep clicking, turdblossom.
Posted by: UA113 at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM
It's all good as long as you keep clicking, turdblossom.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 02:56 PM (jc0TO)
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Epstien got involved (nobody knows how but rumors of MOSSAD) with Les Wexner, who owned Limited Brands (Victoria Secrets) used that to lure girls supposedly built a Town New Albany Ohio and Country Club, trust me they had some smoking hot cart girls
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 08, 2025 02:56 PM (FCrpy)
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What is very interesting Ghislaine Maxwell was the daughter of Robert Maxwell. He had close ties with Mossad. He died under mysterious circumstances.
He had ties with British intelligence as well.
There have also been accusations he was TOO close to his daughter...a la Joe and Ashley, and even one theory she was the one that murdered him.
He had ties with British intelligence as well.
There have also been accusations he was TOO close to his daughter...a la Joe and Ashley, and even one theory she was the one that murdered him.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 02:56 PM (t0Rmr)
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I did not have sexual relations with that attorney.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at July 08, 2025 02:56 PM (LJdhL)
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OK, true story...
When I worked for Treasury shortly after leaving USN I was part of a bank exam in NV (no, not Vegas). No joke, right after I checked into my hotel room (owned by the bank president), a woman knocked on my door and..."asked"...if I needed anything to make my stay more comfortable.
The team had to immediately check out and go to the Hilton down the road.
When I worked for Treasury shortly after leaving USN I was part of a bank exam in NV (no, not Vegas). No joke, right after I checked into my hotel room (owned by the bank president), a woman knocked on my door and..."asked"...if I needed anything to make my stay more comfortable.
The team had to immediately check out and go to the Hilton down the road.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 08, 2025 02:56 PM (PzXaK)
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We don't beat memes to death here.
Posted by: Horsemanbabies at July 08, 2025 02:56 PM (fV+MH)
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218 Did hear another podcaster say that Musk was an engineer.
Posted by: Sponge
His idol was Nikola Tesla, responsible for all of us running on A.C. today, and a certifiable genius.
He ended up having arguments with pigeons in a park in NYC.
Brilliance / madness, fine line, etc.
Posted by: Sponge
His idol was Nikola Tesla, responsible for all of us running on A.C. today, and a certifiable genius.
He ended up having arguments with pigeons in a park in NYC.
Brilliance / madness, fine line, etc.
Posted by: Auspex at July 08, 2025 02:56 PM (j4U/Z)
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I feel like we are living in crazy town since probably Obama. There's zero justice or accountability for anything.
Posted by: CaliGirl
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If it makes you feel better, this sort of shit went on even with the Founding Fathers. Hamilton's sex scandal that caused him to resign as Treasury Secretary for example.
Lots of nasty crap occurred via the Hellfire Club in London, Louis XIV and his affair with Mdm. Montespan and the Affair of the Poisons and she was even involved in Black Masses.
Power and money in excess produce behaviors in excess by those prone to sinful behavior.
Posted by: CaliGirl
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If it makes you feel better, this sort of shit went on even with the Founding Fathers. Hamilton's sex scandal that caused him to resign as Treasury Secretary for example.
Lots of nasty crap occurred via the Hellfire Club in London, Louis XIV and his affair with Mdm. Montespan and the Affair of the Poisons and she was even involved in Black Masses.
Power and money in excess produce behaviors in excess by those prone to sinful behavior.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:56 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 02:56 PM (L/fGl)
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One thing for certain, Bondi is not qualified to run a nail salon, let alone be a Lawyer.
She said things that should not have been said -- either because they were not true, or because she was not prepared to back them up.
She said things that should not have been said -- either because they were not true, or because she was not prepared to back them up.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (rcQTu)
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I understand that Maxwell was convicted of sex trafficking girls to Epstein. I don't think that's how sex trafficking works, but if this is the theory then technically there might not be any need for any other johns.
Trafficked girls to Epstein for what? Housekeeping duties? Or is the claim Epstein screwed all these girls?
Trafficked girls to Epstein for what? Housekeeping duties? Or is the claim Epstein screwed all these girls?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (Yh9jm)
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The internet rumblings about China leader Xi's hold on power being a bit wobbly have made it to the CNBC broadcast.
huh.
huh.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (pIfcn)
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Everything this guy just said is bullshit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (Zz0t1)
Aliassmith posts anti Trump bs. He's also incredibly redundant.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (Zz0t1)
Aliassmith posts anti Trump bs. He's also incredibly redundant.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (2GCMq)
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Thank you Ace.. I was tired of all the hysterics over this...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (VE6XX)
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I watched an episode of Jail where a detainee would have killed himself if he wasn’t stopped in time. He strangled himself by wrapping his shirt around his neck and bed post and commenced to do a pirouette on the floor tightening the shirt around his neck.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (VofaG)
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>>> 216
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Could also get you easily killed.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (Yh9jm)
True.
Which is why is would be mighty nice to have support from one or more well-equipped and well-funded *ostensibly* legitimate government entities.
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Could also get you easily killed.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (Yh9jm)
True.
Which is why is would be mighty nice to have support from one or more well-equipped and well-funded *ostensibly* legitimate government entities.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (ULPxl)
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I miss the old days when Joe Mannix would post a link to a huge bust........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (Zz0t1)
What happened with that? Why does he hate us now?
Posted by: Doof
You know what you did.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (Zz0t1)
What happened with that? Why does he hate us now?
Posted by: Doof
You know what you did.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (77rzZ)
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251 doubt our intelligence guys would be proactively pimping out minors
forgot the /sarc tag, right? I am quite certain that they have, they would, and are doing so even as I type this.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (dKEEs)
They had no problem running whore houses, and putting whores on the CIA's payroll, then dosing unsuspecting John's with LSD to run tests on drug-induced mind control during Operation Midnight Climax. Which is all admitted to openly now.
But they draw the line at underaged girls?
Ehhh... I don't know if I buy that.
forgot the /sarc tag, right? I am quite certain that they have, they would, and are doing so even as I type this.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (dKEEs)
They had no problem running whore houses, and putting whores on the CIA's payroll, then dosing unsuspecting John's with LSD to run tests on drug-induced mind control during Operation Midnight Climax. Which is all admitted to openly now.
But they draw the line at underaged girls?
Ehhh... I don't know if I buy that.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (uCjyK)
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"Client List" or not, at some point, there needs to be a reckoning for the people used his services, both the folks committing statutory (and perhaps more literal) rape and anyone in the intelligence services that was responsible for running and covering for the operation.
Posted by: Methos
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YES. Which is why it's criminally illogical that Ghislaine is the only one in prison.
"Client List" or not, at some point, there needs to be a reckoning for the people used his services, both the folks committing statutory (and perhaps more literal) rape and anyone in the intelligence services that was responsible for running and covering for the operation.
Posted by: Methos
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YES. Which is why it's criminally illogical that Ghislaine is the only one in prison.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (nC9OT)
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I understand that Maxwell was convicted of sex trafficking girls to Epstein. I don't think that's how sex trafficking works, but if this is the theory then technically there might not be any need for any other johns.
Maxwell recruited the young lady that the Royal Freak had banged......she told everyone so.
That seems to me that Epstein was the mediator. He provided the means and location.....
Maxwell recruited the young lady that the Royal Freak had banged......she told everyone so.
That seems to me that Epstein was the mediator. He provided the means and location.....
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (Zz0t1)
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I see some alleged MAGA people essentially accusing Trump of a cover-up.
Didn't What's-her-face say she had the list on her desk and was reviewing it? A list one is reviewing can't, at the same time not exist, unless its existence was destroyed prior to the declaration that said list "does not exist"...
Didn't What's-her-face say she had the list on her desk and was reviewing it? A list one is reviewing can't, at the same time not exist, unless its existence was destroyed prior to the declaration that said list "does not exist"...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (ynpvh)
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But mimes. Would you like some olive loaf?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM (zhBpy)
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That's when I learned that where's on the internet have a star rating system like a gas can on Amazon.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World,
Well, when you're paying for a product or service, you want to know whether it's worth the money...?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World,
Well, when you're paying for a product or service, you want to know whether it's worth the money...?
Posted by: FeatherBlade at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM (a+4eV)
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If we don't have SOMETHING proving that clients existed ? Then where is the crime ? Why is Maxwell in jail ?
Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM (zUSBZ)
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JFK, RFK, and Epstein are among the 3 things that us commoners will never know the complete story on because we'd then know the full extent of how corrupt those that govern not only the US but the world are.
Posted by: Crusader at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM (TN0g+)
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Could Epstein have killed himself by hanging, using the cord from his CPAP machine?
Yes. It's a very quick, easy way out.
Did he break his own hyoid bone?
No. If his hyoid bone was broken, somebody else broke it. No way in heck did he do that to himself.
Yes. It's a very quick, easy way out.
Did he break his own hyoid bone?
No. If his hyoid bone was broken, somebody else broke it. No way in heck did he do that to himself.
Posted by: Bombadil at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM (MX0bI)
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Trafficked girls to Epstein for what? Housekeeping duties? Or is the claim Epstein screwed all these girls?
I do vaguely recall the latter and even one claim Maxwell joined in...
Still, no one seriously believes that the Epstein operation was to get Epstein underaged girls.
I do vaguely recall the latter and even one claim Maxwell joined in...
Still, no one seriously believes that the Epstein operation was to get Epstein underaged girls.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM (t0Rmr)
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>>> 222
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Everything this guy just said is bullshit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (Zz0t1)
Don't quote the retards!!!
Especially after some Happy Fun Cob edited its blatherings
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Everything this guy just said is bullshit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:50 PM (Zz0t1)
Don't quote the retards!!!
Especially after some Happy Fun Cob edited its blatherings
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM (ULPxl)
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"I see some alleged MAGA people essentially accusing Trump of a cover-up."
"Do I once again have to be the Real MAGA Supporter here?"
"Trump would have no possible reason to cover any of this up, except for the obvious possibility that he's an Epstein client himself. I strongly doubt that, given that the Deep State attempted for ten years to frame Trump for various crimes. If Trump was an "Epstein client," we'd've heard about it in 2015."
"So why would he cover this up? It makes no sense."
*****
Thank you, Ace.! This needed to be said.
"Do I once again have to be the Real MAGA Supporter here?"
"Trump would have no possible reason to cover any of this up, except for the obvious possibility that he's an Epstein client himself. I strongly doubt that, given that the Deep State attempted for ten years to frame Trump for various crimes. If Trump was an "Epstein client," we'd've heard about it in 2015."
"So why would he cover this up? It makes no sense."
*****
Thank you, Ace.! This needed to be said.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM (NpAcC)
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Pfft.
He got a JOB and is all IMPORTANT n' shit........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:56 PM (Zz0t1)
That's so selfish.
He got a JOB and is all IMPORTANT n' shit........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:56 PM (Zz0t1)
That's so selfish.
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM (5jU2p)
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When did Ace morph into Catturd?
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 08, 2025 02:59 PM (TGPs7)
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Depends on who you're blackmailing, and why, and if there is other leverage that could be applied before going to the nuclear option. Gill Bates has had an awful lot of lucky breaks to get to his billions, which he recently said he plans to donate about 98% to some "charity".
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (ULPxl)
I feel like we're talking past one another. Obviously you don't want to actually have to release the evidence because the threat of doing so is where your leverage is. Once it's released, your leverage is gone. So obviously you'd prefer not to do so. But to go into the operation without even having evidence in the first place that you could release if you needed to seems... well just kinda dumb.
It doesn't seem to me like people care what form that evidence actually exists in. The "Epistein List" that people care about is just a shorthand for "whatever proof exists that Epistein should have kept as insurance on the powerful people who he engaged with."
I'm not seeing a good reason as to why it would have made more sense for him not to keep any evidence as dirt on his clients/friends/whatever.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 08, 2025 02:49 PM (ULPxl)
I feel like we're talking past one another. Obviously you don't want to actually have to release the evidence because the threat of doing so is where your leverage is. Once it's released, your leverage is gone. So obviously you'd prefer not to do so. But to go into the operation without even having evidence in the first place that you could release if you needed to seems... well just kinda dumb.
It doesn't seem to me like people care what form that evidence actually exists in. The "Epistein List" that people care about is just a shorthand for "whatever proof exists that Epistein should have kept as insurance on the powerful people who he engaged with."
I'm not seeing a good reason as to why it would have made more sense for him not to keep any evidence as dirt on his clients/friends/whatever.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 08, 2025 02:59 PM (B9Prs)
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LOL, AIPAC of Spades finally weighs in on this topic with such a weak opinion. Sad!
Posted by: UA113 at July 08, 2025 02:51
Hey, don't forget to make us all a sammich on the way out douchebag.
Posted by: UA113 at July 08, 2025 02:51
Hey, don't forget to make us all a sammich on the way out douchebag.
Posted by: Minnfidel at July 08, 2025 02:59 PM (ewjUl)
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Is it possible Ghislaine destroyed a lot and she is in jail because she refused to put anyone?
Posted by: Piper from the pool at July 08, 2025 02:59 PM (ZdaMQ)
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278 OK, true story...
When I worked for Treasury shortly after leaving USN I was part of a bank exam in NV (no, not Vegas). No joke, right after I checked into my hotel room (owned by the bank president), a woman knocked on my door and..."asked"...if I needed anything to make my stay more comfortable.
The team had to immediately check out and go to the Hilton down the road.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
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A Man Called Flight (Chris Kraft of NASA and long time director of Manned Space Flight Center) reported something similar when he went to the West Coast to check out Apollo prime contractor, North American Aviation prior to teh Apollo one disaster.
Common in business circles too at the high end.
When I worked for Treasury shortly after leaving USN I was part of a bank exam in NV (no, not Vegas). No joke, right after I checked into my hotel room (owned by the bank president), a woman knocked on my door and..."asked"...if I needed anything to make my stay more comfortable.
The team had to immediately check out and go to the Hilton down the road.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
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A Man Called Flight (Chris Kraft of NASA and long time director of Manned Space Flight Center) reported something similar when he went to the West Coast to check out Apollo prime contractor, North American Aviation prior to teh Apollo one disaster.
Common in business circles too at the high end.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 02:59 PM (ctrM5)
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There is a Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous feturing Epsteins mansion in New York. Converted school. They brag about the video system. Cameras everywhere and none of it survived? What did he not have enough cash to buy some VHS tapes? There is a shit ton of info buried somewhere, multiple places. My guess on one is the reputed abandoned sub base on Little St James or the connecting tunnels that were cemented up before Epstein became famous again. There were people watching it happen from boats and drones.
Of course I'm just a kook and none of this is really true.
Of course I'm just a kook and none of this is really true.
Posted by: Reforger at July 08, 2025 02:59 PM (SJnNf)
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"258 if Jeffrey Epstein had no "clients" and there isn't a list and there was no extortion........... why is Ghislaine Maxwell in prison? wasn't she convicted of sex trafficking minors?
Posted by: Monica at July 08, 2025 02:54 PM (kfQcw) "
Ask Secretary of the Interior Fall, who was convicted of taking a bribe that Doheny was acquitted of paying ...
Posted by: Monica at July 08, 2025 02:54 PM (kfQcw) "
Ask Secretary of the Interior Fall, who was convicted of taking a bribe that Doheny was acquitted of paying ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (dKEEs)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (Zz0t1)
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If we don't have SOMETHING proving that clients existed ? Then where is the crime ? Why is Maxwell in jail ?
Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM
Didn't they finesse that by saying she trafficked the girls to Epstein?
Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM
Didn't they finesse that by saying she trafficked the girls to Epstein?
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (jc0TO)
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They had no problem running whore houses, and putting whores on the CIA's payroll, then dosing unsuspecting John's with LSD to run tests on drug-induced mind control during Operation Midnight Climax. Which is all admitted to openly now.
But they draw the line at underaged girls?
Ehhh... I don't know if I buy that.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (uCjyK)
*****
Yeah, you could be right. I would hate it if you were, but you could be right and I could be wrong.
But they draw the line at underaged girls?
Ehhh... I don't know if I buy that.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (uCjyK)
*****
Yeah, you could be right. I would hate it if you were, but you could be right and I could be wrong.
Posted by: EFG at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (6Y7N9)
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FIRST WE KILL ALL THE LAWYERS
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 08, 2025 02:22 PM (iFTx/)
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I used to believe that but no think we should finish up the killin of the media. Then on to the law guild.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 08, 2025 02:22 PM (iFTx/)
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I used to believe that but no think we should finish up the killin of the media. Then on to the law guild.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (17s+e)
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Laura Loomer@LauraLoomer
Because I live in Florida.
Pam Blondi is not well liked here. People who have worked with her know how incompetent she is.
Under her watch as Florida’s Attorney General, she botched the George Zimmerman trial and she botched the Epstein case.
She’s also a Scientologist. Kind of bizarre if we are being honest.
Nobody ever wants to talk about how she’s a Scientologist.
Because I live in Florida.
Pam Blondi is not well liked here. People who have worked with her know how incompetent she is.
Under her watch as Florida’s Attorney General, she botched the George Zimmerman trial and she botched the Epstein case.
She’s also a Scientologist. Kind of bizarre if we are being honest.
Nobody ever wants to talk about how she’s a Scientologist.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (TGPs7)
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I have always figured that all the real juicy stuff was destroyed or put under personal special lock and key after the original run in with the DOJ. The way it wrapped up just stunk of "it's fixed".
There was nothing left for Team Trump to release, save the receipts of any surveillance.
There was nothing left for Team Trump to release, save the receipts of any surveillance.
Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (RHGPo)
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An interesting side note to this.
There was a NASCAR driver named Brian Vickers. He was on the younger side, pretty good driver, had a couple of wins.
Anyway, his career was interrupted due to blood clots. Or so we were told.
He may have had blood clots but what he also had was a wife that was Maxwell's personal assistant.
There was a NASCAR driver named Brian Vickers. He was on the younger side, pretty good driver, had a couple of wins.
Anyway, his career was interrupted due to blood clots. Or so we were told.
He may have had blood clots but what he also had was a wife that was Maxwell's personal assistant.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (1GV/C)
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306 LOL, AIPAC of Spades finally weighs in on this topic with such a weak opinion. Sad!
Posted by: UA113 at July 08, 2025 02:51
Hey, don't forget to make us all a sammich on the way out douchebag.
Posted by: Minnfidel at July 08, 2025 02:59 PM (ewjUl)
If he was really brave he'd leave mommies basement and go live in a bunker in Iran or Gaza...
Posted by: UA113 at July 08, 2025 02:51
Hey, don't forget to make us all a sammich on the way out douchebag.
Posted by: Minnfidel at July 08, 2025 02:59 PM (ewjUl)
If he was really brave he'd leave mommies basement and go live in a bunker in Iran or Gaza...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (ynpvh)
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I understand that Maxwell was convicted of sex trafficking girls to Epstein. I don't think that's how sex trafficking works, but if this is the theory then technically there might not be any need for any other johns.
Trafficked girls to Epstein for what? Housekeeping duties? Or is the claim Epstein screwed all these girls?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (Yh9jm)
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Epstein admitted he had sex with a lot of girls. He bragged about it. He even admitted to paying some of them -- $300 a massage -- or at least supplying them with payment-in-kind, IIRC. He denied it was nonconsensual. At most he was guilty of some kind of prostitution. As I said above, no prosecutor would have brought this case if Epstein and Maxwell were already persona non grata.
Trafficked girls to Epstein for what? Housekeeping duties? Or is the claim Epstein screwed all these girls?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (Yh9jm)
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Epstein admitted he had sex with a lot of girls. He bragged about it. He even admitted to paying some of them -- $300 a massage -- or at least supplying them with payment-in-kind, IIRC. He denied it was nonconsensual. At most he was guilty of some kind of prostitution. As I said above, no prosecutor would have brought this case if Epstein and Maxwell were already persona non grata.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (iFTx/)
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In 2007, a 50-plus page federal indictment was issued against Epstein. For those unfamiliar with indictments, they are not typically 50-plus pages. Epstein was given a very cushy plea deal. The kind basically no one gets for anything. The prosecutor who negotiated it later said he did so because he was informed Epstein was an intel asset and that he was to be left alone. This is wiki-level knowledge, not some kind of state secret. Now put what's presently being asserted in that context.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (TdYBy)
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I feel like we are living in crazy town since probably Obama. There's zero justice or accountability for anything.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM (CueAq)
Yeah, it's absolutely wild the level of gaslighting, lying, and outright north korean levels of propaganda we're being subjected to constantly.
And most people seem to just shrug and accept it.
Maybe the internet and cable news were a mistake.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 08, 2025 02:51 PM (CueAq)
Yeah, it's absolutely wild the level of gaslighting, lying, and outright north korean levels of propaganda we're being subjected to constantly.
And most people seem to just shrug and accept it.
Maybe the internet and cable news were a mistake.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (uCjyK)
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You don't need a list when you have drives with videos like Pam Bondi talked about.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (CueAq)
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>>> 262 I miss the old days when Joe Mannix would post a link to a huge bust........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (Zz0t1)
What happened with that? Why does he hate us now?
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 02:55 PM (5jU2p)
You know what you did.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (Zz0t1)
What happened with that? Why does he hate us now?
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 02:55 PM (5jU2p)
You know what you did.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (ULPxl)
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Especially after some Happy Fun Cob edited its blatherings
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM (ULPxl)
I meant to only grab the nick, but that morphed into some TJM 'grab the whole blog and post it' type thing......
Especially after some Happy Fun Cob edited its blatherings
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM (ULPxl)
I meant to only grab the nick, but that morphed into some TJM 'grab the whole blog and post it' type thing......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (Zz0t1)
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But they draw the line at underaged girls?
Remember when a soldier in 'Stan observed one of our allies raping a boy and stopped him. And the US Military court martialed him for it?
But they draw the line at underaged girls?
Remember when a soldier in 'Stan observed one of our allies raping a boy and stopped him. And the US Military court martialed him for it?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (t0Rmr)
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Like astrology is catnip for women, conspiracy theories are for political junkies.
I get it now. lol
I get it now. lol
Posted by: JROD at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (IlL6s)
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (VE6XX)
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In memory of Joe Mannix........
https://is.gd/ewuQoE
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (Zz0t1)
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Wait, Mannix is also morte?
/
https://is.gd/ewuQoE
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (Zz0t1)
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Wait, Mannix is also morte?
/
Posted by: ShainS -- Make The AG Gaetz Again! at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (52caq)
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I understand that Maxwell was convicted of sex trafficking girls to Epstein. I don't think that's how sex trafficking works, but if this is the theory then technically there might not be any need for any other johns.
Trafficked girls to Epstein for what? Housekeeping duties? Or is the claim Epstein screwed all these girls?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM
She is the fall *guy* for the entire mess. As long as she keeps her mouth shut she will be allowed to live and be given a whole bunch of $$$$$ when she gets out of prison early for good behavior. She is in club Fed so she will be out in about 5 years.
Trafficked girls to Epstein for what? Housekeeping duties? Or is the claim Epstein screwed all these girls?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM
She is the fall *guy* for the entire mess. As long as she keeps her mouth shut she will be allowed to live and be given a whole bunch of $$$$$ when she gets out of prison early for good behavior. She is in club Fed so she will be out in about 5 years.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (e5NfL)
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Problem is that they speak of 'one' Epstein Client List... when it is scattered throughout his records.
We don't want a list Epstein made... we want a fucking list the GOVERNMENT made of Epstein clients.
It is still a cover up... period. They KNOW who his clients were... they KNOW why he somehow made money not doing anything except being 'friends'.... but there are still too many movers and shakers in the 'Friend' category.
We don't want a list Epstein made... we want a fucking list the GOVERNMENT made of Epstein clients.
It is still a cover up... period. They KNOW who his clients were... they KNOW why he somehow made money not doing anything except being 'friends'.... but there are still too many movers and shakers in the 'Friend' category.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (mP0Kj)
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Clinton was on the plane manifest A LOT.
You can bet your ass he was getting some underage attention.
Donna, no one is hysterical, it's another example of our government betters telling us our common sense, and all other evidence previously shown was nothing.
You can bet your ass he was getting some underage attention.
Donna, no one is hysterical, it's another example of our government betters telling us our common sense, and all other evidence previously shown was nothing.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (PMtkd)
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (77rzZ)
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311 In memory of Joe Mannix........
https://is.gd/ewuQoE
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (Zz0t1)
Nice...
https://is.gd/ewuQoE
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (Zz0t1)
Nice...
Posted by: EFG at July 08, 2025 03:02 PM (6Y7N9)
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No list because Trump was being number one on the list!!@!@@
Posted by: Mary Cloginstien from Brattleboro, Vt at July 08, 2025 03:02 PM (p+utQ)
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Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 02:57 PM (77rzZ)
When Joe was posting boob-a- palooza multiple times on every thread he was unemployed . I assume now that he's employed he has other duties that take up his time while still giving the ' rons an occasional treat.
When Joe was posting boob-a- palooza multiple times on every thread he was unemployed . I assume now that he's employed he has other duties that take up his time while still giving the ' rons an occasional treat.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 08, 2025 03:02 PM (2GCMq)
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Didn't they finesse that by saying she trafficked the girls to Epstein?
Posted by: toby928 at Jul
Yes.
Posted by: toby928 at Jul
Yes.
Posted by: Piper from the pool at July 08, 2025 03:02 PM (ZdaMQ)
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7 Gotta admit it takes juevos to write a report that concludes
Epstein Did Kill Himself
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 02:24 PM (VPwHp)
Yeah, well, someone had to make sure he could do it right, by making sure the videotapes/cameras didn't work and the guards weren't around. They wanted to make sure he had his privacy...
Epstein Did Kill Himself
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 02:24 PM (VPwHp)
Yeah, well, someone had to make sure he could do it right, by making sure the videotapes/cameras didn't work and the guards weren't around. They wanted to make sure he had his privacy...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2025 03:02 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 08, 2025 03:02 PM (TGPs7)
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I did hear there were videos taken, and I think I just recently heard we can't see them because they involve children.
This is unacceptable. Someone must be in the videos, and they should be shown. Anyone underage can be blurred out.
This is either too important to be hidden for prissiness reasons. Convince me I'm wrong.
This is unacceptable. Someone must be in the videos, and they should be shown. Anyone underage can be blurred out.
This is either too important to be hidden for prissiness reasons. Convince me I'm wrong.
Posted by: From about That Time at July 08, 2025 03:02 PM (RE0lB)
340
300 Trafficked girls to Epstein for what? Housekeeping duties? Or is the claim Epstein screwed all these girls?
I do vaguely recall the latter and even one claim Maxwell joined in...
Still, no one seriously believes that the Epstein operation was to get Epstein underaged girls.
Posted by: 18-1
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All the Palm Beach depositions have been released running to hundreds of pages. Some stuff from the Virginia Giuffre suit against Prince Andrew have likewise been released. Goes into the day to day operations of how the Epstein op worked and the role of Epstein and Ghislaine as pimps.
I do vaguely recall the latter and even one claim Maxwell joined in...
Still, no one seriously believes that the Epstein operation was to get Epstein underaged girls.
Posted by: 18-1
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All the Palm Beach depositions have been released running to hundreds of pages. Some stuff from the Virginia Giuffre suit against Prince Andrew have likewise been released. Goes into the day to day operations of how the Epstein op worked and the role of Epstein and Ghislaine as pimps.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 03:02 PM (ctrM5)
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Wait, Mannix is also morte?
/
Posted by: ShainS -- Make The AG Gaetz Again! at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (52caq)
What? I thought he wasn't a cop?
Wait, Mannix is also morte?
/
Posted by: ShainS -- Make The AG Gaetz Again! at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (52caq)
What? I thought he wasn't a cop?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:02 PM (Zz0t1)
342
Just a quick note that the CDs/DVDs/Files from Epstein's safe were turned over to the FBI. I heard Scott Adams mention that these items disappeared, which they did, but apparently Epstein's lawyer returned them.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 08, 2025 03:02 PM (MMp6W)
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His idol was Nikola Tesla, responsible for all of us running on A.C. today, and a certifiable genius.
Posted by: Auspex
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Tesla gets way too much credit. He was more a huckster than a genius. AC made no sense when he was pushing it, before plastic insulation and remote generation.
He barely understood what he was doing and so made a lot of crazy commitments and predictions. George Westinghouse has more to do with the AC conversion. Or give the credit to Edison, who created the first utility, first workable distribution system, and all the other things involved.
Posted by: Auspex
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Tesla gets way too much credit. He was more a huckster than a genius. AC made no sense when he was pushing it, before plastic insulation and remote generation.
He barely understood what he was doing and so made a lot of crazy commitments and predictions. George Westinghouse has more to do with the AC conversion. Or give the credit to Edison, who created the first utility, first workable distribution system, and all the other things involved.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 08, 2025 03:03 PM (rcQTu)
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56 There is no "Client List" simply because there is no list clearly labeld "client list".
It is that simple.
Sure, somebody might have a list of wealthy powerful people banging 15 year olds on film while hanging out on Pedo Isle and an occasional 8-ball.
But that list is not labeled "client list".
This is kind of were I'm landing; Epstein was not stupid; he dealt in a very illegal and delicate area with wealthy and well, really bad people. He would not last as long as he did being stupid; his records would have been hidden; they've either been found and destroyed or they are outside of easy access.
It is that simple.
Sure, somebody might have a list of wealthy powerful people banging 15 year olds on film while hanging out on Pedo Isle and an occasional 8-ball.
But that list is not labeled "client list".
This is kind of were I'm landing; Epstein was not stupid; he dealt in a very illegal and delicate area with wealthy and well, really bad people. He would not last as long as he did being stupid; his records would have been hidden; they've either been found and destroyed or they are outside of easy access.
Posted by: Nelly at July 08, 2025 03:03 PM (cHLus)
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I don’t care how dumb you are , blackmailing people without protecting yourself from getting murdered by having a kill switch, is the part that I find the hardest to believe.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 03:03 PM (VofaG)
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I lean toward there is/was a list of the very powerful but I never expected that list to become public. NEVER.
Just my 2 cents.
Just my 2 cents.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at July 08, 2025 03:03 PM (17s+e)
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1-3rd possibility. Trump could be using it for his own leverage, maybe to pass the BBB and get NATO in line for example.
2-Also, if you recall, a news organization sued for the client list and a John Doe party petitioned for its staying private to prevent harm, and a judge agreed. Makes no sense if there were no list.
2-Also, if you recall, a news organization sued for the client list and a John Doe party petitioned for its staying private to prevent harm, and a judge agreed. Makes no sense if there were no list.
Posted by: Bro Bummel at July 08, 2025 03:03 PM (aCe4G)
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Still, no one seriously believes that the Epstein operation was to get Epstein underaged girls.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM
Yea, that was way too elaborate of a scheme to hook up with underage girls. Think about it, some perv is going to fly in other pervs to a private island just for fun? There's a reason he went to all this trouble. My guess is there's tapes of all this shit that have long since been destroyed. Dude was a construct of the FIB or CYA.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM
Yea, that was way too elaborate of a scheme to hook up with underage girls. Think about it, some perv is going to fly in other pervs to a private island just for fun? There's a reason he went to all this trouble. My guess is there's tapes of all this shit that have long since been destroyed. Dude was a construct of the FIB or CYA.
Posted by: Minnfidel at July 08, 2025 03:04 PM (ewjUl)
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311 In memory of Joe Mannix........
https://is.gd/ewuQoE
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (Zz0t1)
Hey, with all the folks passing away, don't say something like that...
https://is.gd/ewuQoE
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (Zz0t1)
Hey, with all the folks passing away, don't say something like that...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2025 03:04 PM (ynpvh)
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298 JFK, RFK, and Epstein are among the 3 things that us commoners will never know the complete story on because we'd then know the full extent of how corrupt those that govern not only the US but the world are.
Posted by: Crusader at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM (TN0g+)
Agreed. It's insulting to our intelligence though that this web of constantly shifting lies is the best story they could come up with.
Posted by: Crusader at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM (TN0g+)
Agreed. It's insulting to our intelligence though that this web of constantly shifting lies is the best story they could come up with.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:04 PM (uCjyK)
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Heard there were rumours that Obama was a visitor to the island...
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 08, 2025 03:04 PM (TGPs7)
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228 190 Batboy is worth having on your BOLO list.
Posted by: pudinhead
Deep State 86'd the National Enquirer over that.
Posted by: pudinhead
Deep State 86'd the National Enquirer over that.
Posted by: Auspex at July 08, 2025 03:04 PM (j4U/Z)
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Maybe the internet and cable news were a mistake.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (uCjyK)
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"You ain't seen nuthin' yet, plebe!"
/Your Future "AI" Overlords
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:01 PM (uCjyK)
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"You ain't seen nuthin' yet, plebe!"
/Your Future "AI" Overlords
Posted by: ShainS -- Make The AG Gaetz Again! at July 08, 2025 03:04 PM (FF1R9)
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I do find it grimly amusing that Epstein's career began and ended with Bill Barr's father getting him a teaching job and while Bill Barr was the head of the federal prison system when the guards fell asleep and the cameras stopped working, in a cell with more blankets than the entire prison laundry.
The symmetry is almost too perfect.
The symmetry is almost too perfect.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 08, 2025 03:04 PM (XV/Pl)
355
Wouldn't Epstein need some good security.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 03:05 PM (zhBpy)
356
Bottom line, Bondi, Patel and Bongino have shit on their integrity.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 03:05 PM (PMtkd)
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351 Heard there were rumours that Obama was a visitor to the island...
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 08, 2025 03:04 PM (TGPs7)
Patently false. No boys for him there.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 08, 2025 03:04 PM (TGPs7)
Patently false. No boys for him there.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2025 03:05 PM (ynpvh)
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"God do I miss Art Bell
Is that the guy who bumped off his aging wife and then married a 22 year old Filipino girl a few months later?
Is that the guy who bumped off his aging wife and then married a 22 year old Filipino girl a few months later?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:05 PM (/U5Yz)
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356 Bottom line, Bondi, Patel and Bongino have shit on their integrity.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 03:05 PM (PMtkd)
That's what I named my depends, integrity.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 03:05 PM (PMtkd)
That's what I named my depends, integrity.
Posted by: Sniffy Joe at July 08, 2025 03:05 PM (ynpvh)
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You know what's (not) weird about all of this?
The libs seem to be sitting the Epstein stuff out.
Not even dunking on the cons.
It's like they've completely shut their smooth brains off on this.
The libs seem to be sitting the Epstein stuff out.
Not even dunking on the cons.
It's like they've completely shut their smooth brains off on this.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 08, 2025 03:05 PM (1GV/C)
361
In memory of Joe Mannix........
https://is.gd/ewuQoE
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (Zz0t1)
Missing a hand. 2/10. Would not bang.
- TJM, probably
https://is.gd/ewuQoE
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (Zz0t1)
Missing a hand. 2/10. Would not bang.
- TJM, probably
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (5jU2p)
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Sometimes I leave for work 11 hours after I get home
Have a great afternoon everyone
Oh and Epstein didn't kill himself for any reason
Have a great afternoon everyone
Oh and Epstein didn't kill himself for any reason
Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (+qU29)
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Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 08, 2025 03:03 PM (rcQTu)
I guess that’s why the US Patent office recognize Tesla as the inventor of the radio and not Marconi. Tesla was anything but overrated.
I guess that’s why the US Patent office recognize Tesla as the inventor of the radio and not Marconi. Tesla was anything but overrated.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (VofaG)
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He barely understood what he was doing and so made a lot of crazy commitments and predictions. George Westinghouse has more to do with the AC conversion. Or give the credit to Edison, who created the first utility, first workable distribution system, and all the other things involved.
the movie The Current War portrays Tesla as something of a genius but with no business sense and a bit of crank thrown in and Westinghouse as the more serious business minded guy that made it all become real. I tend to agree with their take.
Also, it was interesting seeing that if the Superman movie where Michael Shannon plays crazy guy Zod...
the movie The Current War portrays Tesla as something of a genius but with no business sense and a bit of crank thrown in and Westinghouse as the more serious business minded guy that made it all become real. I tend to agree with their take.
Also, it was interesting seeing that if the Superman movie where Michael Shannon plays crazy guy Zod...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (t0Rmr)
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nor any formal blackmail
I think Mickey Kaus' explanation is the correct one.
He was fascinated by the fact that Epstein was running a multi-hundred-million dollar hedge fund, and no one on Wall Street did business with him.
Scenario: You're a billionaire, and you get an invite to Epstein's island. You've heard interesting things about Epstein's parties, so you go.
There is a wild party, a number of interesting substances are being passed around, and a beautiful young woman throws herself at you.
You go back to the room with the young woman, have sex with her, and in the morning when you wake up, she's gone, and Epstein is sitting on the bed.
He explains that the girl was 15, that's it all on video, and that he has a business proposition for you.
Invest a hundred million dollars in Epstein's hedge fund (which is invested in low-risk assets like Treasury bonds), and you can come back to the island as often as you like.
Now, if Epstein had demanded a check for $2 million, the IRS would notice, but charging a 2% fee for managing assets in a hedge fund is completely unexceptional, and the IRS would not notice.
I think Mickey Kaus' explanation is the correct one.
He was fascinated by the fact that Epstein was running a multi-hundred-million dollar hedge fund, and no one on Wall Street did business with him.
Scenario: You're a billionaire, and you get an invite to Epstein's island. You've heard interesting things about Epstein's parties, so you go.
There is a wild party, a number of interesting substances are being passed around, and a beautiful young woman throws herself at you.
You go back to the room with the young woman, have sex with her, and in the morning when you wake up, she's gone, and Epstein is sitting on the bed.
He explains that the girl was 15, that's it all on video, and that he has a business proposition for you.
Invest a hundred million dollars in Epstein's hedge fund (which is invested in low-risk assets like Treasury bonds), and you can come back to the island as often as you like.
Now, if Epstein had demanded a check for $2 million, the IRS would notice, but charging a 2% fee for managing assets in a hedge fund is completely unexceptional, and the IRS would not notice.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (xTIDn)
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345 I don’t care how dumb you are , blackmailing people without protecting yourself from getting murdered by having a kill switch, is the part that I find the hardest to believe.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 03:03 PM (VofaG)
It could be that he did have one but that it was compromised. Kinda like how the video just stopped working when he offed himself and no guards were around.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 03:03 PM (VofaG)
It could be that he did have one but that it was compromised. Kinda like how the video just stopped working when he offed himself and no guards were around.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (TdYBy)
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Agreed. It's insulting to our intelligence though that this web of constantly shifting lies is the best story they could come up with.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:04 PM (uCjyK)
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This 100%. Releasing a tape with a minute missing is the final, "we laugh in your faces, fools."
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:04 PM (uCjyK)
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This 100%. Releasing a tape with a minute missing is the final, "we laugh in your faces, fools."
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (PMtkd)
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I had those files that Epstein gave to me before he went to prison and somehow, they got BleachBit after Comey looked at them .....
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (q/j2W)
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361 https://is.gd/ewuQoE
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (Zz0t1)
Missing a hand. 2/10. Would not bang.
- TJM, probably
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (5jU2p)
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Wouldn't even pass muster in the Tri-State Area.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:00 PM (Zz0t1)
Missing a hand. 2/10. Would not bang.
- TJM, probably
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (5jU2p)
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Wouldn't even pass muster in the Tri-State Area.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (GBKbO)
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251 doubt our intelligence guys would be proactively pimping out minors
forgot the /sarc tag, right? I am quite certain that they have, they would, and are doing so even as I type this.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (dKEEs)
I think that's another reason for keeping it secret. A lot of our top CIA/FBI people would be doing life in a fed pen if it came out. (Well maybe that is a good idea after all)
forgot the /sarc tag, right? I am quite certain that they have, they would, and are doing so even as I type this.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 08, 2025 02:53 PM (dKEEs)
I think that's another reason for keeping it secret. A lot of our top CIA/FBI people would be doing life in a fed pen if it came out. (Well maybe that is a good idea after all)
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2025 03:07 PM (uWKK8)
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The libs seem to be sitting the Epstein stuff out.
Early on they conflated Pizzagate and Epstein arguing it was all made up conspiracy theory stuff.
So this lines up with their views.
Of course they'll also tell you Trump was an Epstein client so they aren't in any way consistent.
Early on they conflated Pizzagate and Epstein arguing it was all made up conspiracy theory stuff.
So this lines up with their views.
Of course they'll also tell you Trump was an Epstein client so they aren't in any way consistent.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 03:07 PM (t0Rmr)
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So these girls DO exist. And they likely DO know who they were trafficked to, and they seem to have a pretty good idea why, but we're supposed to pretend that none of this happened and we're conspiracy theorists for noticing that not a single John has been named or arrested in this international underage sex trafficking scandal?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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You've jogged my memory. There were a few shadowed faces talking about it. And no one those girls were trafficked to has ever even been charged?
I see this as possibly the -- to me, sexist and indefensible -- time-honored practice of charging prostitutes but not johns plus a large dose of corruption.
So these girls DO exist. And they likely DO know who they were trafficked to, and they seem to have a pretty good idea why, but we're supposed to pretend that none of this happened and we're conspiracy theorists for noticing that not a single John has been named or arrested in this international underage sex trafficking scandal?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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You've jogged my memory. There were a few shadowed faces talking about it. And no one those girls were trafficked to has ever even been charged?
I see this as possibly the -- to me, sexist and indefensible -- time-honored practice of charging prostitutes but not johns plus a large dose of corruption.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 03:07 PM (nC9OT)
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"So why would he cover this up? It makes no sense."
*****
Thank you, Ace.! This needed to be said.
Posted by: redridinghood
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Well, because even Trump can not afford to piss off the politicians, wealthy scumbags, and foreign IC involved.
If it would cause major damage to our relations with (for example) Israel to make it public that they were running a sex op on US dignitaries, Trump would have to keep it quiet.
*****
Thank you, Ace.! This needed to be said.
Posted by: redridinghood
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Well, because even Trump can not afford to piss off the politicians, wealthy scumbags, and foreign IC involved.
If it would cause major damage to our relations with (for example) Israel to make it public that they were running a sex op on US dignitaries, Trump would have to keep it quiet.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 08, 2025 03:07 PM (rcQTu)
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Again, I don't think Trump is directing any of this, there is simply a power structure above Trump that directs things and limits the information that gets presented to him, so unless he goes rogue, which on certain things he will, but there are things he will not go rogue on.
This is one of those things.
It sucks, but that's just the way it is.
This is one of those things.
It sucks, but that's just the way it is.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (XV/Pl)
375
This whole thing is about as sketchy as it gets.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (Vfq+S)
376
Missing a hand. 2/10. Would not bang.
- TJM, probably
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (5jU2p)
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Wouldn't even pass muster in the Tri-State Area.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (GBKbO)
Good one, Monroe
- TJM, probably
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (5jU2p)
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Wouldn't even pass muster in the Tri-State Area.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (GBKbO)
Good one, Monroe
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (5jU2p)
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Also, it was interesting seeing that if the Superman movie where Michael Shannon plays crazy guy Zod...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (t0Rmr)
Speaking of which...any Zod sightings lately?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (t0Rmr)
Speaking of which...any Zod sightings lately?
Posted by: Sniffy Joe at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Frasier Crane at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (bNf8H)
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@360 The Central Scrutinizer-they're posting pics of Donold with Epstein all over every social media outlet doing the neener-neener your guy is on the list BS. Definitely not sitting it out.
Posted by: JROD at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (IlL6s)
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376
Wouldn't even pass muster in the Tri-State Area.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (GBKbO)
Good one, Monroe
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (5jU2p)
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Needs a Pretty-in-a-tor.
Wouldn't even pass muster in the Tri-State Area.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:06 PM (GBKbO)
Good one, Monroe
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (5jU2p)
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Needs a Pretty-in-a-tor.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (GBKbO)
381
Leftist podcaster SubwayTakes claims DNC set up an interview between himself and Kamala. Kamala did so poorly, they came to a mutual agreement not to publish the video.
http://tiny.cc/1rxo001
http://tiny.cc/1rxo001
Posted by: bonhomme at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (lIio7)
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It's obvious that Epstein was running a big honey pot for the FBI, CIA and Mossad. So, that and the important people who frequented the island are the two major reasons for this coverup...
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (TGPs7)
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Regarding Trump's "closeness" to Epstein:
Didn't Trump state he threw Epstein out of Mar-A-Largo? Epstein was a "fixture" in Palm Beach, but the two had a falling out about two decades ago (10-15 years prior per articles from 2019).
So there was some bad blood / creep factor around that time, but Epstein still had a decade+ to continue creeping.
Didn't Trump state he threw Epstein out of Mar-A-Largo? Epstein was a "fixture" in Palm Beach, but the two had a falling out about two decades ago (10-15 years prior per articles from 2019).
So there was some bad blood / creep factor around that time, but Epstein still had a decade+ to continue creeping.
Posted by: Another Anon at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (4h45B)
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All the Palm Beach depositions have been released running to hundreds of pages. Some stuff from the Virginia Giuffre suit against Prince Andrew have likewise been released. Goes into the day to day operations of how the Epstein op worked and the role of Epstein and Ghislaine as pimps.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 03:02 PM (ctrM5)
Right, exactly. Those transcripts explain exactly how the operation worked from the procuring of girls side.
Epstein "turned" the girls (sometimes with Maxwell), then once they got used to money for sex, he pimped them out to his rich and famous "friends" where they were forced to have sex with those men in houses / islands covered in cameras.
And when Epstein got caught, he got a sweetheart deal, with the Federal prosecutor saying "I was told he worked for Intel and not to get involved."
But yet what we're supposed to believe is that Epstein was a lone wolf here, there were no Johns, there was no Op, and all of this was just one mans perversion, and I guess the girls were all lying, and Ghislaine is unfairly imprisoned right now?
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 03:02 PM (ctrM5)
Right, exactly. Those transcripts explain exactly how the operation worked from the procuring of girls side.
Epstein "turned" the girls (sometimes with Maxwell), then once they got used to money for sex, he pimped them out to his rich and famous "friends" where they were forced to have sex with those men in houses / islands covered in cameras.
And when Epstein got caught, he got a sweetheart deal, with the Federal prosecutor saying "I was told he worked for Intel and not to get involved."
But yet what we're supposed to believe is that Epstein was a lone wolf here, there were no Johns, there was no Op, and all of this was just one mans perversion, and I guess the girls were all lying, and Ghislaine is unfairly imprisoned right now?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (uCjyK)
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Epstien was CIA.
They tried to hang Mossad on him as a cover.
The entire shitteree should be burned to the ground.
They tried to hang Mossad on him as a cover.
The entire shitteree should be burned to the ground.
Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (Hjnrv)
386
Matt Gaetz said the Israelis killed Epstein which could be a reason for Trump to cover it up. I don't believe him but he did say it.
Posted by: anon2020 at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (RqMDa)
387
If we don't have SOMETHING proving that clients existed ? Then where is the crime ? Why is Maxwell in jail ?
Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM
Didn't they finesse that by saying she trafficked the girls to Epstein?
Posted by: toby928
Again, for what? Housekeeping duties? If they were trafficking them for sex, who was the recipient? You can't have sex trafficking if no one received the goods.
The most you have is for transporting someone for no reason.
Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 08, 2025 02:58 PM
Didn't they finesse that by saying she trafficked the girls to Epstein?
Posted by: toby928
Again, for what? Housekeeping duties? If they were trafficking them for sex, who was the recipient? You can't have sex trafficking if no one received the goods.
The most you have is for transporting someone for no reason.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (7lkyS)
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371 The libs seem to be sitting the Epstein stuff out.
Early on they conflated Pizzagate and Epstein arguing it was all made up conspiracy theory stuff.
So this lines up with their views.
Of course they'll also tell you Trump was an Epstein client so they aren't in any way consistent.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 03:07 PM (t0Rmr)
Sorta like the Muzzies saying the Holocaust never happened, and Hitler shoulda done a better job at it...
Early on they conflated Pizzagate and Epstein arguing it was all made up conspiracy theory stuff.
So this lines up with their views.
Of course they'll also tell you Trump was an Epstein client so they aren't in any way consistent.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 03:07 PM (t0Rmr)
Sorta like the Muzzies saying the Holocaust never happened, and Hitler shoulda done a better job at it...
Posted by: Sniffy Joe at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: eleven at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (fV+MH)
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386 Matt Gaetz said the Israelis killed Epstein which could be a reason for Trump to cover it up. I don't believe him but he did say it.
Posted by: anon2020 at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (RqMDa)
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Matt Gaetz also thinks that Palestinian-Israelis don't have voting rights in Israel.
Posted by: anon2020 at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (RqMDa)
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Matt Gaetz also thinks that Palestinian-Israelis don't have voting rights in Israel.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (GBKbO)
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Good one, Monroe
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (5jU2p)
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Needs a Pretty-in-a-tor.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (GBKbO)
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Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (5jU2p)
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Needs a Pretty-in-a-tor.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (GBKbO)
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Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (5jU2p)
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I don’t care how dumb you are , blackmailing people without protecting yourself from getting murdered by having a kill switch, is the part that I find the hardest to believe.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 03:03 PM
It's like a Columbo starring Patrick McGoohan.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 03:03 PM
It's like a Columbo starring Patrick McGoohan.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (jc0TO)
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It's insulting to our intelligence though that this web of constantly shifting lies is the best story they could come up with.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:04 PM (uCjyK)
They believe we are that dumb. Sad.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:04 PM (uCjyK)
They believe we are that dumb. Sad.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:10 PM (/U5Yz)
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382 It's obvious that Epstein was running a big honey pot for the FBI, CIA and Mossad. So, that and the important people who frequented the island are the two major reasons for this coverup...
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (TGPs7)
It's obvious that Epstein was from outer space and had a plan to take over the earth but was thwarted by the atmosphere....See I can play too....
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (TGPs7)
It's obvious that Epstein was from outer space and had a plan to take over the earth but was thwarted by the atmosphere....See I can play too....
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 03:10 PM (VE6XX)
395
I use to listen to Art Bell when driving home from my bartending job in the 90's.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 08, 2025 03:10 PM (/iXAp)
396
And when Epstein got caught, he got a sweetheart deal, with the Federal prosecutor saying "I was told he worked for Intel and not to get involved."
Don't forget in addition to Acosta backing off after being told Epstein was a fed resource that Cyrus Vance, Dem powerbroker in NY, protected Epstein completely there...
Don't forget in addition to Acosta backing off after being told Epstein was a fed resource that Cyrus Vance, Dem powerbroker in NY, protected Epstein completely there...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 03:10 PM (t0Rmr)
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I don’t care how dumb you are , blackmailing people without protecting yourself from getting murdered by having a kill switch, is the part that I find the hardest to believe.
Posted by: polynikes
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You keep overestimating people, I tells ya! How fvcking STUPID was it of Bill Barr to leave it up to a staff of DEI unionized prison guards to secure the most eyeballed and killable suspect in the nation?
I don’t care how dumb you are , blackmailing people without protecting yourself from getting murdered by having a kill switch, is the part that I find the hardest to believe.
Posted by: polynikes
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You keep overestimating people, I tells ya! How fvcking STUPID was it of Bill Barr to leave it up to a staff of DEI unionized prison guards to secure the most eyeballed and killable suspect in the nation?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 03:10 PM (nC9OT)
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379 @360 The Central Scrutinizer-they're posting pics of Donold with Epstein all over every social media outlet doing the neener-neener your guy is on the list BS. Definitely not sitting it out.
Posted by: JROD at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (IlL6s)
Sorry, should've clarified, other than to say that Don was obviously a part of it.
They are particularly incurious as to the implications as a whole. No demands for justice, even though a rich, straight white guy was apparently doing some very bad things.
Posted by: JROD at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (IlL6s)
Sorry, should've clarified, other than to say that Don was obviously a part of it.
They are particularly incurious as to the implications as a whole. No demands for justice, even though a rich, straight white guy was apparently doing some very bad things.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 08, 2025 03:10 PM (1GV/C)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (LJdhL)
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Again, for what? Housekeeping duties? If they were trafficking them for sex, who was the recipient?
Epstein, at least that was their argument. He was poking them.
Epstein, at least that was their argument. He was poking them.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (jc0TO)
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And Trump and his people are probably using the vault. I mean, Britain is one of the few countries that has made a trade deal with us...and we know Britain had high-profile clients...
And Bill Gates is silent as the grave this year, even with Trump in office...
Yeah. Although I refuse to believe Mark Cuban wouldn't partake. Maybe he wasn't invited.
And Bill Gates is silent as the grave this year, even with Trump in office...
Yeah. Although I refuse to believe Mark Cuban wouldn't partake. Maybe he wasn't invited.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (2ocoG)
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@367
>>This 100%. Releasing a tape with a minute missing is the final, "we laugh in your faces, fools."
It's not just the missing footage, they said no one went on or off the tier, the video shows people going on and off the tier.
plus the garbage can moves in the jump cut, meaning someone was on the tier and moved the garbage can.
Again, I think they simply laughing at us.
>>This 100%. Releasing a tape with a minute missing is the final, "we laugh in your faces, fools."
It's not just the missing footage, they said no one went on or off the tier, the video shows people going on and off the tier.
plus the garbage can moves in the jump cut, meaning someone was on the tier and moved the garbage can.
Again, I think they simply laughing at us.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (XV/Pl)
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378 >>In memory of Joe Mannix......
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Mannix is mort?
Posted by: Frasier Crane at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (bNf8H)
******
Mannix is not mort.
Who is Mannix?
I am Mannix!
No, I am Mannix!
No, no, I am Mannix!
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Mannix is mort?
Posted by: Frasier Crane at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (bNf8H)
******
Mannix is not mort.
Who is Mannix?
I am Mannix!
No, I am Mannix!
No, no, I am Mannix!
Posted by: EFG at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (6Y7N9)
404
327 15 Laura Loomer@LauraLoomer
Because I live in Florida.
I'm not a fan of Looney Loomer...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 03:01
Same.She gives me crazy vibes but it doesn't mean she's always wrong.
Because I live in Florida.
I'm not a fan of Looney Loomer...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 03:01
Same.She gives me crazy vibes but it doesn't mean she's always wrong.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (CueAq)
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I remember reading that once Trump understood what was going on at Epstein Island, Epstein was banned from Mar-a-Lago.
Is this bullshit.
And I'm not defending anyone. I'm so cynical, everyone needs scrutiny.
Is this bullshit.
And I'm not defending anyone. I'm so cynical, everyone needs scrutiny.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (PMtkd)
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I think there are some people that Trump may cover this up for. If he has a close friends on the list he wants to save from embarrassment, or if as some have said Epstein was writing for Israeli intelligence, that could look bad on Bibi w.h.o Trump is good friends with.
Just the way he blew up on the reporter today seemed less like Trump's normal dunking on reporters, and that he was honestly trying to get thenlm to stop digging in to this. It seemed more personal.
Which also isn't saying it's personal to Trump, but maybe personal in the fact (as others maybe thought) they want stuff about Epstein to die down, in order to make it easier to feet people involved who have let their guard down.
I just don't believe this guy made all his money being a 3rd rate stock broker, and made all these powerful friends that way. And again that Maxwell was jailed for providing under aged prostitutes to apparently no one.
Just the way he blew up on the reporter today seemed less like Trump's normal dunking on reporters, and that he was honestly trying to get thenlm to stop digging in to this. It seemed more personal.
Which also isn't saying it's personal to Trump, but maybe personal in the fact (as others maybe thought) they want stuff about Epstein to die down, in order to make it easier to feet people involved who have let their guard down.
I just don't believe this guy made all his money being a 3rd rate stock broker, and made all these powerful friends that way. And again that Maxwell was jailed for providing under aged prostitutes to apparently no one.
Posted by: Rbastid at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (2Jvqh)
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"This whole thing is about as sketchy as it gets.
Posted by: Thomas Paine"
Almost as sketchy as those MN political hit jobs.
Posted by: Thomas Paine"
Almost as sketchy as those MN political hit jobs.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:12 PM (/U5Yz)
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391 Check out last night's ONT for a Doofenschmirtz "inator" relevant to this thread!
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (5jU2p)
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Heh.
I should note that I have only recently been exposed to Phineas and Ferb. The boys discovered it and have been watching it endlessly for weeks.
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (5jU2p)
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Heh.
I should note that I have only recently been exposed to Phineas and Ferb. The boys discovered it and have been watching it endlessly for weeks.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:12 PM (GBKbO)
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374 Again, I don't think Trump is directing any of this, there is simply a power structure above Trump that directs things and limits the information that gets presented to him, so unless he goes rogue, which on certain things he will, but there are things he will not go rogue on.
This is one of those things.
It sucks, but that's just the way it is.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (XV/Pl)
Yes, you are describe the "Deep State" that us conspiracy theorists keep talking about.
This is one of those things.
It sucks, but that's just the way it is.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 08, 2025 03:08 PM (XV/Pl)
Yes, you are describe the "Deep State" that us conspiracy theorists keep talking about.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:12 PM (uCjyK)
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With the coverup by the Trump administration and any action against the protected pedos off the table, they are going to kill Ghislaine soon, since she is now the last link to any incriminating evidence coming forth.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 08, 2025 03:12 PM (TGPs7)
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Same.She gives me crazy vibes but it doesn't mean she's always wrong.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (CueAq
True.. Sometimes she gets lucky
Same.She gives me crazy vibes but it doesn't mean she's always wrong.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (CueAq
True.. Sometimes she gets lucky
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 03:12 PM (VE6XX)
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Epstien was CIA.
They tried to hang Mossad on him as a cover.
The entire shitteree should be burned to the ground.
My belief is he was British intelligence. That's how he brought in a nobody like Prince Andrew...because in one country he does matter...and why the liked of Bill Clinton did everything the Brits asked for when he was president.
Of course through 5 Eyes everything was available to our CIA as well.
They tried to hang Mossad on him as a cover.
The entire shitteree should be burned to the ground.
My belief is he was British intelligence. That's how he brought in a nobody like Prince Andrew...because in one country he does matter...and why the liked of Bill Clinton did everything the Brits asked for when he was president.
Of course through 5 Eyes everything was available to our CIA as well.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 03:12 PM (t0Rmr)
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Again, I think they simply laughing at us.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (XV/Pl)
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Agree, but isn't that what I said?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (XV/Pl)
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Agree, but isn't that what I said?
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 03:12 PM (PMtkd)
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Wouldn't Epstein need some good security.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 03:05 PM (zhBpy)
Depends on what you consider to be "good" security.
Wouldn't Epstein need some good security.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 03:05 PM (zhBpy)
Depends on what you consider to be "good" security.
Posted by: Zombie Indira Gandhi at July 08, 2025 03:12 PM (y9nCu)
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file this post under "if you're explaining, you're losing"
Posted by: Diabeetus at July 08, 2025 03:13 PM (S+el1)
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off sock
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2025 03:13 PM (ynpvh)
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@398 The Central Scrutinizer-no apologies necessary. I'm embarrassed to admit I've been on social media and seen it.
Posted by: JROD at July 08, 2025 03:13 PM (IlL6s)
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the movie The Current War portrays Tesla as something of a genius but with no business sense and a bit of crank thrown in and Westinghouse as the more serious business minded guy that made it all become real. I tend to agree with their take.
Posted by: 18-1
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That's the moderate view. My view is that he did not understand these "electromagnetic waves" and did nothing to experimentally characterize them. He knew things could happen, but did not have the intelligence to investigate to see how to control and manipulate the phenomena. Instead he just figured if he cold make energy move 1cm, he could make it move 1km. Seemingly not even understanding r**3 relationship.
Sorry, I think he was far from a genius. He was baffled by simple things but made a lot of crazy predictions, some of which ended up right.
Edison was right about safety. Everyone forgets that. AC was very very dangerous before modern materials tamed it.
Posted by: 18-1
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That's the moderate view. My view is that he did not understand these "electromagnetic waves" and did nothing to experimentally characterize them. He knew things could happen, but did not have the intelligence to investigate to see how to control and manipulate the phenomena. Instead he just figured if he cold make energy move 1cm, he could make it move 1km. Seemingly not even understanding r**3 relationship.
Sorry, I think he was far from a genius. He was baffled by simple things but made a lot of crazy predictions, some of which ended up right.
Edison was right about safety. Everyone forgets that. AC was very very dangerous before modern materials tamed it.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 08, 2025 03:13 PM (rcQTu)
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I don't see why anyone cares about the "epstein list" at all. It's over. No one on it, if it exists, would be prosecuted. Only one who should be pissed is Maxwell.
Posted by: dagny at July 08, 2025 03:13 PM (cnmSH)
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I don’t care how dumb you are , blackmailing people without protecting yourself from getting murdered by having a kill switch, is the part that I find the hardest to believe.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 03:03 PM (VofaG)
It could be that he did have one but that it was compromised. Kinda like how the video just stopped working when he offed himself and no guards were around.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
And it could be that the "kill switch" chickened out after seeing Epstein killed in a secure facility.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2025 03:03 PM (VofaG)
It could be that he did have one but that it was compromised. Kinda like how the video just stopped working when he offed himself and no guards were around.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
And it could be that the "kill switch" chickened out after seeing Epstein killed in a secure facility.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 03:14 PM (7lkyS)
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Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (7lkyS)
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Maddening, isn't it?
And no one in government has to answer these blindingly obvious questions.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (7lkyS)
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Maddening, isn't it?
And no one in government has to answer these blindingly obvious questions.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 03:14 PM (nC9OT)
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89 Hey Ace. I agree with everything in your post, but I specifically want to commend you for the use of the double contraction “we’d’ve.” I couldn’t’ve said it any better. - Buck Throckmorton
Hold on! Ain't "we'd've" one of them there new-fangled gender pronouns?
Hold on! Ain't "we'd've" one of them there new-fangled gender pronouns?
Posted by: Paco at July 08, 2025 03:14 PM (mADJX)
423
Speaking of Epstein's security - in addition to the girls and Maxwell he had a bunch of people running that island.
Even if he was just assaulting those girls himself those people would be culpable.
Notice none of them have been charged...
Even if he was just assaulting those girls himself those people would be culpable.
Notice none of them have been charged...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 03:14 PM (t0Rmr)
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> I use to listen to Art Bell when driving home from my bartending job in the 90's.
I tried listening a few times, but it was just so stupid. Nobody ever had any sort of interest in proving what they were saying was true. Someone would call in, make an assertion, and Art Bell would affirm their delusion.
Caller: "Yeah, I saw a Wendigo when I was hunting in Wyoming. It was scary."
Art Bell: "Yeah, you've got to watch out for those Wendigos. We've had some real problems with them."
I tried listening a few times, but it was just so stupid. Nobody ever had any sort of interest in proving what they were saying was true. Someone would call in, make an assertion, and Art Bell would affirm their delusion.
Caller: "Yeah, I saw a Wendigo when I was hunting in Wyoming. It was scary."
Art Bell: "Yeah, you've got to watch out for those Wendigos. We've had some real problems with them."
Posted by: bonhomme at July 08, 2025 03:14 PM (lIio7)
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Epstein most likely an agent of some intel agency. Maxwell too. Epstein ran an operation that would be the envy of any intel agency. So they recruited him. Used him. And when the time came, hung him out to dry.
CIA probably involved so Trump doing his duty and protecting them from any official bad press.
CIA probably involved so Trump doing his duty and protecting them from any official bad press.
Posted by: Diabeetus at July 08, 2025 03:14 PM (S+el1)
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Only one who should be pissed is Maxwell.
Posted by: dagny
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If I was Maxwell, imprisoned for trafficking while the recipients are free, I'd be so pissed that I'd be singing like a canary.
In fact, why isn't she?
Only one who should be pissed is Maxwell.
Posted by: dagny
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If I was Maxwell, imprisoned for trafficking while the recipients are free, I'd be so pissed that I'd be singing like a canary.
In fact, why isn't she?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM (nC9OT)
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Pretending Mossad wasn't involved is silly. When you follow the money and the story they're all over it.
The CIA is not innocent; they're involved too.
The CIA is not innocent; they're involved too.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM (PMtkd)
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The gadget – called Photon Matrix – is a “prototype of the first mosquito air defense system capable of identifying and neutralizing mosquitoes using high-specification LiDAR technology.”
A Chinese firm has come up with a laser weapon design that it claims can kill up to 30 mosquitoes every second.
The gadget – called Photon Matrix – is a “prototype of the first mosquito air defense system capable of identifying and neutralizing mosquitoes using high-specification LiDAR technology.”
Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM (RHGPo)
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It's not just the missing footage, they said no one went on or off the tier, the video shows people going on and off the tier.
plus the garbage can moves in the jump cut, meaning someone was on the tier and moved the garbage can.
Again, I think they simply laughing at us.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (XV/Pl)
It does feel like they're mocking us.
Keep in mind the kind of purple haired America hating non binaries that work at Langley.
They do think we're knuckle dragging toothless cousin kissin pick up truck driving retards.
Which is clear by the stories they try to sell us.
plus the garbage can moves in the jump cut, meaning someone was on the tier and moved the garbage can.
Again, I think they simply laughing at us.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (XV/Pl)
It does feel like they're mocking us.
Keep in mind the kind of purple haired America hating non binaries that work at Langley.
They do think we're knuckle dragging toothless cousin kissin pick up truck driving retards.
Which is clear by the stories they try to sell us.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM (uCjyK)
430
Musk just claimed Steve Bannon is in the Epstein files.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM (/U5Yz)
431
If you don't see Superman, you're not an American.
End Wokeness@EndWokeness
[Director] Sean Gunn on the new Superman movie: "It is about how we support immigrants and if you don't like it, you're not an American"
End Wokeness@EndWokeness
[Director] Sean Gunn on the new Superman movie: "It is about how we support immigrants and if you don't like it, you're not an American"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 03:16 PM (L/fGl)
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@413
>>Agree, but isn't that what I said?
Yes, we are saying the same things, what else can we do at this point, we're not going to get what we want, and never will wrt finding out who was running Epstein.
Basically, Bondi, Kash and Bongino have lost all credibility and should simply just stop even releasing anything at this point, because everything they release makes them look more foolish and cucked.
>>Agree, but isn't that what I said?
Yes, we are saying the same things, what else can we do at this point, we're not going to get what we want, and never will wrt finding out who was running Epstein.
Basically, Bondi, Kash and Bongino have lost all credibility and should simply just stop even releasing anything at this point, because everything they release makes them look more foolish and cucked.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 08, 2025 03:16 PM (XV/Pl)
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Did anyone address the things that Pam Bondi said? She spoke about there being hours and hours of video taped abuse of children and then oopsie, nothing to see here?
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 08, 2025 03:16 PM (CueAq)
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276 What is very interesting Ghislaine Maxwell was the daughter of Robert Maxwell. He had close ties with Mossad. He died under mysterious circumstances.
He had ties with British intelligence as well.
There have also been accusations he was TOO close to his daughter...a la Joe and Ashley, and even one theory she was the one that murdered him.
Posted by: 18-1
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Maxwell was not his original name (Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch from Bohemia/Czech)upon his death was given a state funeral in Israel attended by high ranking officials.
People forget that Maxwell also was a financial flim flam man that stole the pensions of his company employees to fund his outrageous personal spending and acquisitions.
Miserable nickel fucker and Ghislaine was his 'favorite' and later fixer for him in UK society until his death.
He had ties with British intelligence as well.
There have also been accusations he was TOO close to his daughter...a la Joe and Ashley, and even one theory she was the one that murdered him.
Posted by: 18-1
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Maxwell was not his original name (Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch from Bohemia/Czech)upon his death was given a state funeral in Israel attended by high ranking officials.
People forget that Maxwell also was a financial flim flam man that stole the pensions of his company employees to fund his outrageous personal spending and acquisitions.
Miserable nickel fucker and Ghislaine was his 'favorite' and later fixer for him in UK society until his death.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 03:16 PM (ctrM5)
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I should note that I have only recently been exposed to Phineas and Ferb. The boys discovered it and have been watching it endlessly for weeks.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:12 PM (GBKbO)
It really is an outstanding show. Clever and funny. My boys are in their 20s now but we quote that show to each other constantly still.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:12 PM (GBKbO)
It really is an outstanding show. Clever and funny. My boys are in their 20s now but we quote that show to each other constantly still.
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:16 PM (5jU2p)
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"Caller: "Yeah, I saw a Wendigo when I was hunting in Wyoming. It was scary."
Art Bell: "Yeah, you've got to watch out for those Wendigos. We've had some real problems with them."
Posted by: bonhomme"
Pretty much. It was all a nothing burger.
Art Bell: "Yeah, you've got to watch out for those Wendigos. We've had some real problems with them."
Posted by: bonhomme"
Pretty much. It was all a nothing burger.
Posted by: eleven at July 08, 2025 03:16 PM (fV+MH)
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Matt Gaetz also thinks that Palestinian-Israelis don't have voting rights in Israel.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (GBKbO)
Heck, a lot of people on here wanted him to be AG.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (GBKbO)
Heck, a lot of people on here wanted him to be AG.
Posted by: anon2020 at July 08, 2025 03:16 PM (RqMDa)
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423 Speaking of Epstein's security - in addition to the girls and Maxwell he had a bunch of people running that island.
Even if he was just assaulting those girls himself those people would be culpable.
Notice none of them have been charged...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 03:14 PM (t0Rmr)
One of the ones who recruited girls was married to a NASCAR driver.
That driver had to retire due to blood clots. He was in his 30s. Never seen that before.
Brian Vickers. Look him up.
Even if he was just assaulting those girls himself those people would be culpable.
Notice none of them have been charged...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 03:14 PM (t0Rmr)
One of the ones who recruited girls was married to a NASCAR driver.
That driver had to retire due to blood clots. He was in his 30s. Never seen that before.
Brian Vickers. Look him up.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 08, 2025 03:16 PM (1GV/C)
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Musk just claimed Steve Bannon is in the Epstein files.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM
Musk is smoking spice.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM
Musk is smoking spice.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 03:17 PM (jc0TO)
440
Phineas and Ferb and the various iterations of Ben Ten were the things my wife and I most loved watching with our son when he was small. I think they were the shows that he enjoyed the most, too.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 03:17 PM (77rzZ)
441
Check out last night's ONT for a Doofenschmirtz "inator" relevant to this thread!
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (5jU2p)
SpongeBro would have an issue with the 'fishing rods on the garage door' thing. He says NEVER store your rods in the garage, unless you just hate them. Too much heat.
Check out last night's ONT for a Doofenschmirtz "inator" relevant to this thread!
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:09 PM (5jU2p)
SpongeBro would have an issue with the 'fishing rods on the garage door' thing. He says NEVER store your rods in the garage, unless you just hate them. Too much heat.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:17 PM (Zz0t1)
442
Yes, we are saying the same things, what else can we do at this point, we're not going to get what we want, and never will wrt finding out who was running Epstein.
Basically, Bondi, Kash and Bongino have lost all credibility and should simply just stop even releasing anything at this point, because everything they release makes them look more foolish and cucked.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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I agree and the backsplash on Trump is getting worse because he is trying to defend the indefensible.
Basically, Bondi, Kash and Bongino have lost all credibility and should simply just stop even releasing anything at this point, because everything they release makes them look more foolish and cucked.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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I agree and the backsplash on Trump is getting worse because he is trying to defend the indefensible.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 03:17 PM (ctrM5)
443
Epstein was close friends with Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Certainly there was nothing untoward going on as the Clintons are completely on the Up and Up.
Certainly there was nothing untoward going on as the Clintons are completely on the Up and Up.
Posted by: garrett at July 08, 2025 03:17 PM (Bi+MU)
444
435 I should note that I have only recently been exposed to Phineas and Ferb. The boys discovered it and have been watching it endlessly for weeks.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:12 PM (GBKbO)
Love it... My Grandkids used to watch ... We call one of the Grandsons Perry the Platypus.. Can't remember why LOL
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:12 PM (GBKbO)
Love it... My Grandkids used to watch ... We call one of the Grandsons Perry the Platypus.. Can't remember why LOL
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 03:17 PM (VE6XX)
445
Pretending Mossad wasn't involved is silly. When you follow the money and the story they're all over it.
Let's assume the Mossad has kompromat on the known Epstein clients.
Why are most of them publicly anti-Israel then?
Bill Clinton is a "moderate" I guess for the Dems, but you'd have expected him to be more pro-Israel then Trump if they had videos on him. Same with the elites in Hollywood and in the Dem party they we know are on the list.
Let's assume the Mossad has kompromat on the known Epstein clients.
Why are most of them publicly anti-Israel then?
Bill Clinton is a "moderate" I guess for the Dems, but you'd have expected him to be more pro-Israel then Trump if they had videos on him. Same with the elites in Hollywood and in the Dem party they we know are on the list.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2025 03:17 PM (t0Rmr)
446
It really is an outstanding show. Clever and funny. My boys are in their 20s now but we quote that show to each other constantly still.
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:16 PM (5jU2p)
I was known to turn it on when working remote on occasion. It was pretty darn entertaining for a kids cartoon.
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:16 PM (5jU2p)
I was known to turn it on when working remote on occasion. It was pretty darn entertaining for a kids cartoon.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:18 PM (Zz0t1)
447
430 Musk just claimed Steve Bannon is in the Epstein files.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM (/U5Yz)
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Odd, Bannon used a good portion of his show talking about how bad the "no list" declaration was for the administration.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM (/U5Yz)
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Odd, Bannon used a good portion of his show talking about how bad the "no list" declaration was for the administration.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 03:18 PM (PMtkd)
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427 Pretending Mossad wasn't involved is silly. When you follow the money and the story they're all over it.
The CIA is not innocent; they're involved too.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM (PMtkd)
The truth of the matter is that it's pretty clear that Mossad, going back to the days of James Jesus Angleton, is just the branch of the CIA that is often used to do "the dirty work" that the CIA doesn't want traced back to them.
The CIA created, funded, trained, and supported Mossad from the beginning. And it made sense -- the CIA had no human intel in the USSR, and Israel back then was full of eastern european jews who could infiltrate the USSR and get intel that the CIA wasn't easily able to get.
Same reason the CIA started the ISI in Pakistan.
Neither of them are exactly reliable partners, but the CIA was been using both intel services since the beginning of the cold war.
The CIA is not innocent; they're involved too.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM (PMtkd)
The truth of the matter is that it's pretty clear that Mossad, going back to the days of James Jesus Angleton, is just the branch of the CIA that is often used to do "the dirty work" that the CIA doesn't want traced back to them.
The CIA created, funded, trained, and supported Mossad from the beginning. And it made sense -- the CIA had no human intel in the USSR, and Israel back then was full of eastern european jews who could infiltrate the USSR and get intel that the CIA wasn't easily able to get.
Same reason the CIA started the ISI in Pakistan.
Neither of them are exactly reliable partners, but the CIA was been using both intel services since the beginning of the cold war.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:18 PM (uCjyK)
449
And again that Maxwell was jailed for providing under aged prostitutes to apparently no one.
Posted by: Rbastid at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (2Jvqh)
She was convicted of trafficking to Epstein. She also had money.
Posted by: Rbastid at July 08, 2025 03:11 PM (2Jvqh)
She was convicted of trafficking to Epstein. She also had money.
Posted by: Piper from the pool at July 08, 2025 03:18 PM (ZdaMQ)
450
Posted by: bonhomme at July 08, 2025 03:14 PM (lIio7)
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I don't see it that way. We got to hear genuine nut jobs whose minds worked in amusing ways, and Art would walk them on a long leash. But he always left room for skepticism. Sometimes he actually did blurt out his doubts. Art was a master at bringing forth these unwitting entertainers.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 08, 2025 03:14 PM (lIio7)
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I don't see it that way. We got to hear genuine nut jobs whose minds worked in amusing ways, and Art would walk them on a long leash. But he always left room for skepticism. Sometimes he actually did blurt out his doubts. Art was a master at bringing forth these unwitting entertainers.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 03:18 PM (nC9OT)
451
439 Musk just claimed Steve Bannon is in the Epstein files.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM
LOL...
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM
LOL...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 03:18 PM (VE6XX)
452
Michael Franzese, former mob member who spent time in the same cell as Epstein, claims it impossible to commit suicide within that cell.
https://tinyurl.com/3wk4j9ur
As to Epstein, former high school teacher, and how he made his fortune, here is Dr. Steve Turley providing a concise timeline of Epstein's life. He's fairly convinced there is a cover-up.
https://tinyurl.com/2a3t3xmw
I agree, but no longer care. Here's my beef. If the powers, as currently constituted under Trump, have the ruthless will to press on with this coverup, I fully expect from them the same ruthless will in dealing with these leftist mayors and governors flouting immigration laws. Let's be consistent.
https://tinyurl.com/3wk4j9ur
As to Epstein, former high school teacher, and how he made his fortune, here is Dr. Steve Turley providing a concise timeline of Epstein's life. He's fairly convinced there is a cover-up.
https://tinyurl.com/2a3t3xmw
I agree, but no longer care. Here's my beef. If the powers, as currently constituted under Trump, have the ruthless will to press on with this coverup, I fully expect from them the same ruthless will in dealing with these leftist mayors and governors flouting immigration laws. Let's be consistent.
Posted by: Ordinary American at July 08, 2025 03:18 PM (WHfpM)
453
Musk is smoking spice.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 03:17 PM (jc0TO)
Musk got bit by the TDS Mosquito.
Musk is smoking spice.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 03:17 PM (jc0TO)
Musk got bit by the TDS Mosquito.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:18 PM (Zz0t1)
454
How would Musk have access to the Epstein Files?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 03:18 PM (zhBpy)
455
guess that’s why the US Patent office recognize Tesla as the inventor of the radio and not Marconi. Tesla was anything but overrated.
Posted by: polynikes
An incredibly inventive mind and deserving of all accolades, but also a bit unhinged and quite disorganized.
Too many use Tesla to bring down other inventors and especially industrialists.
Tesla reminds me a lot of our current champ, E. Musk.
Posted by: polynikes
An incredibly inventive mind and deserving of all accolades, but also a bit unhinged and quite disorganized.
Too many use Tesla to bring down other inventors and especially industrialists.
Tesla reminds me a lot of our current champ, E. Musk.
Posted by: From about That Time at July 08, 2025 03:19 PM (RE0lB)
456
Sometime between Bondi saying the files were on her desk for review, and yesterday's announcement of essentially 'case closed', there was a conversation between two parties. And the result of that conversation was that this whole Epstein business should just go away.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: at July 08, 2025 03:19 PM (AOsQT)
457
Nobody flew to Little St. James on the Lolita Express. They had to go by boat, helicopter or submarine.
Posted by: Reforger at July 08, 2025 03:19 PM (SJnNf)
458
Meme on Facebook right now from PCS Nation. 😂😂😂
Maxwell sitting in front of whiteboard:
If there's no client list, why am I in jail?
Commentor:
Too may rich powerful people on it if they went down it would completely destroy the economy plunging the country into a depression that makes "the Great Depression" look like child's play. I think Trump should just scilently have them taken out Clinton style
Maxwell sitting in front of whiteboard:
If there's no client list, why am I in jail?
Commentor:
Too may rich powerful people on it if they went down it would completely destroy the economy plunging the country into a depression that makes "the Great Depression" look like child's play. I think Trump should just scilently have them taken out Clinton style
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 03:19 PM (7lkyS)
459
Tesla reminds me a lot of our current champ, E. Musk.
Posted by: From about That Time at July 08, 2025 03:19 PM
Let the puns begin.
Posted by: From about That Time at July 08, 2025 03:19 PM
Let the puns begin.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 03:20 PM (jc0TO)
460
>If Trump was an "Epstein client," we'd've heard about it in 2015
Not if proving it required releasing the unredacted list, which would bring down the rest of the Democrat-Media complex. The list is Mutually Assured Destruction, neither side can release it.
Not if proving it required releasing the unredacted list, which would bring down the rest of the Democrat-Media complex. The list is Mutually Assured Destruction, neither side can release it.
Posted by: Daniel Ream at July 08, 2025 03:20 PM (xBngO)
461
If you don't see Superman, you're not an American.
End Wokeness@EndWokeness
[Director] Sean Gunn on the new Superman movie: "It is about how we support immigrants and if you don't like it, you're not an American"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 03:16 PM (L/fGl)
___
I was waiting for something like this. My best guess? Something is spooking the studio about audience interest, and they're laying battlespace prep for underperforming box office.
The movie will make a lot of money. But this is the kind of movie that a few years ago would make a billion easy, if not $1.5B. I think anything less than that will be seen as failure.
End Wokeness@EndWokeness
[Director] Sean Gunn on the new Superman movie: "It is about how we support immigrants and if you don't like it, you're not an American"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 03:16 PM (L/fGl)
___
I was waiting for something like this. My best guess? Something is spooking the studio about audience interest, and they're laying battlespace prep for underperforming box office.
The movie will make a lot of money. But this is the kind of movie that a few years ago would make a billion easy, if not $1.5B. I think anything less than that will be seen as failure.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 08, 2025 03:20 PM (iFTx/)
462
Let's just say no of Us have a clue what the real story is.. No point in speculating...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 03:20 PM (VE6XX)
463
456 Sometime between Bondi saying the files were on her desk for review, and yesterday's announcement of essentially 'case closed', there was a conversation between two parties. And the result of that conversation was that this whole Epstein business should just go away.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: at July 08, 2025 03:19 PM (AOsQT)
Hey, at least she gave a bunch of conservative influencers a big steaming pile of very public nothing a few months ago.
That was certainly weird.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: at July 08, 2025 03:19 PM (AOsQT)
Hey, at least she gave a bunch of conservative influencers a big steaming pile of very public nothing a few months ago.
That was certainly weird.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 08, 2025 03:20 PM (1GV/C)
464
451 439 Musk just claimed Steve Bannon is in the Epstein files.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM
LOL...
Posted by: It's me donna
How does he know who's on the list?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM
LOL...
Posted by: It's me donna
How does he know who's on the list?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:20 PM (/U5Yz)
465
430 Musk just claimed Steve Bannon is in the Epstein files.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM (/U5Yz)
Interesting that Musk is now going after the loudest anti-Musk voice in Trump world.
Musk should be careful throwing around these kinds of accusations. Because if anyone fits the profile of someone who would be caught up in an underaged girl honey trap, it's Musk.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:15 PM (/U5Yz)
Interesting that Musk is now going after the loudest anti-Musk voice in Trump world.
Musk should be careful throwing around these kinds of accusations. Because if anyone fits the profile of someone who would be caught up in an underaged girl honey trap, it's Musk.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:20 PM (uCjyK)
466
The CIA is not innocent; they're involved too.
Posted by: Seems Legit
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And the FBI in covering up shit from Pedo Island, the NM ranch and his NYC ops center.
Posted by: Seems Legit
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And the FBI in covering up shit from Pedo Island, the NM ranch and his NYC ops center.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (ctrM5)
467
Did Epstein and Maxwell only traffic young girls?
I find it a curiosity that Barry Soetoro isn't mentioned in any of these conversations or lists, but maybe what he was looking for he could only find in Pakistan.
I find it a curiosity that Barry Soetoro isn't mentioned in any of these conversations or lists, but maybe what he was looking for he could only find in Pakistan.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (LJdhL)
468
@438 The Central Scrutinizer-I still haven't forgiven Brian Vickers for taking out Jimmie Johnson and Dale Junior the last lap at Talledega in 2006.
Posted by: JROD at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (IlL6s)
469
Gangs torched the beautiful and famous Hotel Oloffson in Port au Prince, Haiti.
UN says the city is 90% gang controlled and there have been more than 4,000 murders this year.
UN says the city is 90% gang controlled and there have been more than 4,000 murders this year.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (lIio7)
Posted by: eleven at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (fV+MH)
471
Musk is smoking spice.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 03:17 PM (jc0TO)
The most obscure Spice Girl
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 03:17 PM (jc0TO)
The most obscure Spice Girl
Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (5jU2p)
472
But yet what we're supposed to believe is that Epstein was a lone wolf here, there were no Johns, there was no Op, and all of this was just one mans perversion, and I guess the girls were all lying, and Ghislaine is unfairly imprisoned right now?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Yeah. There were obviously many people associated with the whole operation. Dozens? Maybe. There should be a wealth of information available, using agressive power of the DoJ to mine it out.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Yeah. There were obviously many people associated with the whole operation. Dozens? Maybe. There should be a wealth of information available, using agressive power of the DoJ to mine it out.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (XeU6L)
473
430 Musk just claimed Steve Bannon is in the Epstein files.
Posted by: Maj. Healey
Sometime Musk reminds me of my brother - a whiny little bitch who says stupid things that cause long term damage when he is in a mood or his mangina starts itching.
Posted by: Maj. Healey
Sometime Musk reminds me of my brother - a whiny little bitch who says stupid things that cause long term damage when he is in a mood or his mangina starts itching.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (rcQTu)
474
If there never was any evidence, and he would know there's no evidence because he didn't keep any, why would he bother to kill himself?
If the answer is "well, he did keep evidence but it got compromised" then that's not what is being publicly alleged here by the DOJ, the DOJ is saying there never was any evidence. So the DOJ still is either still not being transparent with us and they at least have evidence of the evidence and good reasons to think that it existed at some point, or they're incompetent and didn't bother to actually investigate.
If the answer is "well, he did keep evidence but it got compromised" then that's not what is being publicly alleged here by the DOJ, the DOJ is saying there never was any evidence. So the DOJ still is either still not being transparent with us and they at least have evidence of the evidence and good reasons to think that it existed at some point, or they're incompetent and didn't bother to actually investigate.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (B9Prs)
475
If you don't see Superman, you're not an American.
I will watch it. I just won't pay to watch it.
I will watch it. I just won't pay to watch it.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (jc0TO)
476
461 I was waiting for something like this. My best guess? Something is spooking the studio about audience interest, and they're laying battlespace prep for underperforming box office.
The movie will make a lot of money. But this is the kind of movie that a few years ago would make a billion easy, if not $1.5B. I think anything less than that will be seen as failure.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 08, 2025 03:20 PM (iFTx/)
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I think it's the muted critical reaction.
Embargo is still on, but Daily Mail's review accidentally popped up early and it was...milquetoast. Social media reactions are out, and critics are mixed.
I dunno, I don't think these sorts of things really matter to most movie releases. It needs to be sustained over months like with Snow White to have an effect. This comes out in three days.
The movie will make a lot of money. But this is the kind of movie that a few years ago would make a billion easy, if not $1.5B. I think anything less than that will be seen as failure.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 08, 2025 03:20 PM (iFTx/)
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I think it's the muted critical reaction.
Embargo is still on, but Daily Mail's review accidentally popped up early and it was...milquetoast. Social media reactions are out, and critics are mixed.
I dunno, I don't think these sorts of things really matter to most movie releases. It needs to be sustained over months like with Snow White to have an effect. This comes out in three days.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (GBKbO)
477
456 Sometime between Bondi saying the files were on her desk for review, and yesterday's announcement of essentially 'case closed', there was a conversation between two parties. And the result of that conversation was that this whole Epstein business should just go away.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: at July 08, 2025 03:19 PM (AOsQT)
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I think this is the crux of it.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: at July 08, 2025 03:19 PM (AOsQT)
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I think this is the crux of it.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (PMtkd)
478
>>
Hey, at least she gave a bunch ofconservative influencers useful idiots a big steaming pile of very public nothing a few months ago.
That was certainly weird.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
Hey, at least she gave a bunch of
That was certainly weird.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (/U5Yz)
479
so at this point, Musk as said the following people are on Epsteins list:
Trump
Bannon
Gates
Clinton
Reid Hoffman
Which if any of those are true, and does Musk really know anything or is he recklessly making serious accusations against people?
Trump
Bannon
Gates
Clinton
Reid Hoffman
Which if any of those are true, and does Musk really know anything or is he recklessly making serious accusations against people?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (uCjyK)
480
And again that Maxwell was jailed for providing under aged prostitutes to apparently no one.
Posted by: Rbastid
She was convicted of trafficking to Epstein. She also had money.
Posted by: Piper from the pool
For what? Sex? To whom?
Posted by: Rbastid
She was convicted of trafficking to Epstein. She also had money.
Posted by: Piper from the pool
For what? Sex? To whom?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (7lkyS)
481
Did Epstein and Maxwell only traffic young girls?
I find it a curiosity that Barry Soetoro isn't mentioned in any of these conversations or lists, but maybe what he was looking for he could only find in Pakistan.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (LJdhL)
Barry doesn't like girls........
I find it a curiosity that Barry Soetoro isn't mentioned in any of these conversations or lists, but maybe what he was looking for he could only find in Pakistan.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (LJdhL)
Barry doesn't like girls........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (Zz0t1)
482
Hey, at least she gave a bunch of conservative influencers a big steaming pile of very public nothing a few months ago.
That was certainly weird.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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AG is often a figurehead while the Assistant AGs run the show. Bondi is out of her depth as AG actually running the DoJ
That was certainly weird.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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AG is often a figurehead while the Assistant AGs run the show. Bondi is out of her depth as AG actually running the DoJ
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (ctrM5)
483
Sometimes there really is NO there there.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (NpAcC)
484
Gangs torched the beautiful and famous Hotel Oloffson in Port au Prince, Haiti.
UN says the city is 90% gang controlled and there have been more than 4,000 murders this year.
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So...Chicago?
UN says the city is 90% gang controlled and there have been more than 4,000 murders this year.
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So...Chicago?
Posted by: Crusader at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (TN0g+)
485
Until they make an EV that can go 400 miles on a 3-minute recharge and not spontaneously combust, I will not buy ANY EV, much less an overpriced import.
Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2025 03:23 PM (RHGPo)
486
I'm an Occam's razor kinda guy.
Remember when Elon said Trump is on the list?
How else can you explain Pam Bondi claiming and re-asserting that she recoverewd gigabytes of video of people having sex with children to then stating there is no evidence.
Thias is the biggest lie of my lifetime in the sense that everyone knows it's a lie.
Remember when Elon said Trump is on the list?
How else can you explain Pam Bondi claiming and re-asserting that she recoverewd gigabytes of video of people having sex with children to then stating there is no evidence.
Thias is the biggest lie of my lifetime in the sense that everyone knows it's a lie.
Posted by: steven at July 08, 2025 03:23 PM (AY3ny)
487
483 Sometimes there really is NO there there.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (NpAcC)
You can't say that.. Whatever would we talk about ?
Posted by: redridinghood at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (NpAcC)
You can't say that.. Whatever would we talk about ?
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 03:23 PM (VE6XX)
488
So, when you tie a bed sheet around your neck, sit down and lean forward. Perhaps in the manner of David Carradine. You run the risk of passing out and not being able to release the tension on your carotid arteries, which is then fatal.
Posted by: Its not like he wasn't a pervert at July 08, 2025 03:23 PM (T8avF)
489
468 @438 The Central Scrutinizer-I still haven't forgiven Brian Vickers for taking out Jimmie Johnson and Dale Junior the last lap at Talledega in 2006.
Posted by: JROD at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (IlL6s)
Did you ever see that video that went viral of that drunk redneck going off on Johnson thinking he caused it?
I remember seeing Dale Jr. laughing at Jimmie for that.
Posted by: JROD at July 08, 2025 03:21 PM (IlL6s)
Did you ever see that video that went viral of that drunk redneck going off on Johnson thinking he caused it?
I remember seeing Dale Jr. laughing at Jimmie for that.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 08, 2025 03:23 PM (1GV/C)
490
316 I have always figured that all the real juicy stuff was destroyed or put under personal special lock and key after the original run in with the DOJ. The way it wrapped up just stunk of "it's fixed".
There was nothing left for Team Trump to release, save the receipts of any surveillance. - SMOD
That's basically my take, too. I think there is, or was, information that would equate to, if not take the actual form of, a list. Maybe somebody has the info stashed away somewhere - for insurance.
There was nothing left for Team Trump to release, save the receipts of any surveillance. - SMOD
That's basically my take, too. I think there is, or was, information that would equate to, if not take the actual form of, a list. Maybe somebody has the info stashed away somewhere - for insurance.
Posted by: Paco at July 08, 2025 03:24 PM (mADJX)
491
I am nut sure 4000 a year is enough to do any good.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 03:24 PM (zhBpy)
492
483 Sometimes there really is NO there there.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (NpAcC)
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hhhahhahahahahah
Oh FFS. There is so much there there, that several administrations have shut the fuck up about it.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (NpAcC)
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hhhahhahahahahah
Oh FFS. There is so much there there, that several administrations have shut the fuck up about it.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 03:24 PM (PMtkd)
493
I am nut sure 4000 a year is enough to do any good.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 03:24 PM
It's like compound interest.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 03:24 PM
It's like compound interest.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 03:24 PM (jc0TO)
494
Gangs torched the beautiful and famous Hotel Oloffson in Port au Prince, Haiti.
UN says the city is 90% gang controlled and there have been more than 4,000 murders this year.
Posted by: bonhomme
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A prime argument for colonialization.
UN says the city is 90% gang controlled and there have been more than 4,000 murders this year.
Posted by: bonhomme
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A prime argument for colonialization.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 08, 2025 03:25 PM (XeU6L)
495
I am on the side of believing Epstein was working with a 'friendly' foreign government and there is a coverup to protect that government.
Posted by: Syme992 at July 08, 2025 03:25 PM (kl3xJ)
496
You can't say that.. Whatever would we talk about ?
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 03:23 PM (VE6XX)
******
Lol.
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 03:23 PM (VE6XX)
******
Lol.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 08, 2025 03:25 PM (NpAcC)
497
492 483 Sometimes there really is NO there there.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (NpAcC)
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And people are killing themselves over it (or being murdered) but I'm sure there is no there there.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (NpAcC)
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And people are killing themselves over it (or being murdered) but I'm sure there is no there there.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 08, 2025 03:25 PM (PMtkd)
498
Nudity.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 03:25 PM (jc0TO)
499
Ace had big crush on Ted Cruz. Maybe its the Latin thing?
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Nope. It was the serial killer thing.
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Nope. It was the serial killer thing.
Posted by: Its not like he wasn't a pervert at July 08, 2025 03:25 PM (T8avF)
500
NOOD THANK GOD
Posted by: eleven at July 08, 2025 03:26 PM (fV+MH)
501
483 Sometimes there really is NO there there.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (NpAcC)
Yes, and often times when it involves rich and powerful people connected to our government and Deep State, there is absolutely no there there, despite all of the evidence to the contrary, and if you are even slightly suspicious of that, you are a kooky conspiracy theorist.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (NpAcC)
Yes, and often times when it involves rich and powerful people connected to our government and Deep State, there is absolutely no there there, despite all of the evidence to the contrary, and if you are even slightly suspicious of that, you are a kooky conspiracy theorist.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:26 PM (uCjyK)
502
Vince Foster killed himself.
Epstein killed himself.
Clinton did not have sex with that woman.
We're winning the war in Vietnam.
Oswald acted alone.
The 2020 election was legitimate.
The President is in robust health.
and on and on and on
Vince Foster killed himself.
Epstein killed himself.
Clinton did not have sex with that woman.
We're winning the war in Vietnam.
Oswald acted alone.
The 2020 election was legitimate.
The President is in robust health.
and on and on and on
Posted by: Don Black. Message: at July 08, 2025 03:26 PM (AOsQT)
Posted by: Dreamingrobot at July 08, 2025 03:26 PM (ycPkM)
504
The girls said there were cameras everywhere. They said he would be on the speakerphone with who he said was mossad. Ehud Barak practically had his own toothbrush at Epstein's NYC pad. US Attorney Acosta who handled the original Epstein case was told it was an intel matter.
This was a mossad op with the approval of the CIA and MI6 (don't forget about the involvement of a Royal).
Remember the delay before the FBI got around to securing the island and collecting evidence? The glowies removed all intel-related videos and materials before law enforcement got there.
Undoubtedly, Trump agreed how to handle this with Bibi. Trump squashed it and traded for something in return, probably having to do with Trump's overall strategy vis-a-vis Iran, Gaza, the Middle East as a whole and Russia.
But Bibi knew anyway Trump was bluffing, he would never be able to touch the greatest bipartisan sacred cow in US politics.
This was a mossad op with the approval of the CIA and MI6 (don't forget about the involvement of a Royal).
Remember the delay before the FBI got around to securing the island and collecting evidence? The glowies removed all intel-related videos and materials before law enforcement got there.
Undoubtedly, Trump agreed how to handle this with Bibi. Trump squashed it and traded for something in return, probably having to do with Trump's overall strategy vis-a-vis Iran, Gaza, the Middle East as a whole and Russia.
But Bibi knew anyway Trump was bluffing, he would never be able to touch the greatest bipartisan sacred cow in US politics.
Posted by: unwelcome inconveniences at July 08, 2025 03:26 PM (OZfYq)
505
479 so at this point, Musk as said the following people are on Epsteins list:
Trump
Bannon
Gates
Clinton
Reid Hoffman
Which if any of those are true, and does Musk really know anything or is he recklessly making serious accusations against people?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (uCjyK)
No one should take Musk seriously on this. He was once sued for publicly calling someone who was not a pedo a pedo, and his defense was that it's just an insult where he's from, a claim a jury bought. So he's basically on record as admitting that he's a shit-poster on this general subject.
Trump
Bannon
Gates
Clinton
Reid Hoffman
Which if any of those are true, and does Musk really know anything or is he recklessly making serious accusations against people?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (uCjyK)
No one should take Musk seriously on this. He was once sued for publicly calling someone who was not a pedo a pedo, and his defense was that it's just an insult where he's from, a claim a jury bought. So he's basically on record as admitting that he's a shit-poster on this general subject.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 08, 2025 03:26 PM (TdYBy)
506
I find it a curiosity that Barry Soetoro isn't mentioned in any of these conversations or lists, but maybe what he was looking for he could only find in Pakistan.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone
Stanley Dunham (Obama's white grandpappy) was a retired 'banker' in HI and just happened to become friends with Frank Davis, a black pedo fleeing from Chicago from charges, social activist/Marxist. Also allowed Frank access to his underage daughter and his grandson Obama.
Daughter becomes an social scientist spending long periods abroad in a career resembling NOC covers given to AID types that are CIA assets. Married into some key societies of interest to US Foreign Policy. Basically Barry was a Deep State op.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone
Stanley Dunham (Obama's white grandpappy) was a retired 'banker' in HI and just happened to become friends with Frank Davis, a black pedo fleeing from Chicago from charges, social activist/Marxist. Also allowed Frank access to his underage daughter and his grandson Obama.
Daughter becomes an social scientist spending long periods abroad in a career resembling NOC covers given to AID types that are CIA assets. Married into some key societies of interest to US Foreign Policy. Basically Barry was a Deep State op.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 03:26 PM (ctrM5)
507
I'm not saying I am right about Tesla, only that the issue is not clear.
I am not emotional about any of this. In fact, I last looked into it in the 80s at my uni library and have not even seen any of the movies or documentaries since.
Back then it was pretty clear that he was a crank. I am sure a lot of new and conflicting information has come out.
I am not emotional about any of this. In fact, I last looked into it in the 80s at my uni library and have not even seen any of the movies or documentaries since.
Back then it was pretty clear that he was a crank. I am sure a lot of new and conflicting information has come out.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 08, 2025 03:27 PM (rcQTu)
508
well frankly they shouldn't
but they do have a significant arab faction that supported the blue and white faction to keep netanyahu out of office,
but they do have a significant arab faction that supported the blue and white faction to keep netanyahu out of office,
Posted by: miguel cervantes at July 08, 2025 03:27 PM (bXbFr)
509
Someone explain how a math tutor to rich people's kids got his hands on five hundred million bucks while trafficking women and girls in plain sight?
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Victoria's secret guy. No kidding. Wexner.
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Victoria's secret guy. No kidding. Wexner.
Posted by: Its not like he wasn't a pervert at July 08, 2025 03:28 PM (T8avF)
510
Barry doesn't like girls........
Posted by: Sponge
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In fairness, if Big Mike is his only experience, he probably deserves some sympathy.
Barry doesn't like girls........
Posted by: Sponge
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In fairness, if Big Mike is his only experience, he probably deserves some sympathy.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 08, 2025 03:28 PM (XeU6L)
511
In my view, the real important issue involving Epstein goes back to his original arrest in 2008. Palm Beach County police had him nailed. Then, the Feds stepped in and ran interference. There's no other way to describe it. He got a deal where he would plead guilty to soliciting prostitution. The fact that some of those solicitations were documented with minors was JUST DROPPED. No explanation. He, also, got an NPA (Non-prosecution Agreement) from the Feds while holding no leverage to deserve it. Victims where not even informed of the NPA.
His punishment? Work release program with no documentation available about whether he actually complied.
This suggests the Federal Govt. was using him or intended to use him in the future. You can't convince me otherwise. The above makes no sense unless they had him, saw him, or forced him into being an intelligence asset.
Do I care about seeing the list or even the whole thing in general. Not especially other than wanting to point fingers and make people uncomfortable...etc.
His punishment? Work release program with no documentation available about whether he actually complied.
This suggests the Federal Govt. was using him or intended to use him in the future. You can't convince me otherwise. The above makes no sense unless they had him, saw him, or forced him into being an intelligence asset.
Do I care about seeing the list or even the whole thing in general. Not especially other than wanting to point fingers and make people uncomfortable...etc.
Posted by: Orson at July 08, 2025 03:28 PM (dIske)
512
495 I am on the side of believing Epstein was working with a 'friendly' foreign government and there is a coverup to protect that government.
Posted by: Syme992 a
Yes preserving our relationships with foreign governments is much more important then a few hundred underaged girls getting raped by elitists. It all works out in the end.
Posted by: Syme992 a
Yes preserving our relationships with foreign governments is much more important then a few hundred underaged girls getting raped by elitists. It all works out in the end.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 03:28 PM (/U5Yz)
513
There'd be records of the hundreds of employees he had, they would know a lot but I doubt any have been asked.
There's cellphone data showing how hundreds of people used their phones on the island, there's a 'client list' for us! Not being used of course.
The flight logs of the Lolita Express. Some have been shown but there's a lot more, it's all documented and backed up, yes?
Heck, the USSS records showing hem escorting Bill, Hillary and who knows who else.
Oh well.
There's cellphone data showing how hundreds of people used their phones on the island, there's a 'client list' for us! Not being used of course.
The flight logs of the Lolita Express. Some have been shown but there's a lot more, it's all documented and backed up, yes?
Heck, the USSS records showing hem escorting Bill, Hillary and who knows who else.
Oh well.
Posted by: 5cats at July 08, 2025 03:28 PM (hv5ip)
514
Sometimes there really is NO there there.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (NpAcC)
There's no reason to believe that this is one of those cases.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 08, 2025 03:22 PM (NpAcC)
There's no reason to believe that this is one of those cases.
Posted by: Methos at July 08, 2025 03:28 PM (zLwRl)
515
Bannon having anything to do with Epstein? Preposterous. I dealt with Bannon in Hollywood (he sponsored one of our films). He's a former naval officer and as clean as they come.
Posted by: Ordinary American at July 08, 2025 03:29 PM (WHfpM)
516
Senator Chris Murphy. There's no violence problem on the left.
Western Lensman@WesternLensman
A few weeks ago, @ChrisMurphyCT attempted to gaslight Americans that political violence isn’t really an issue on the left:
“This isn’t a both sides issue."
He is now silent as a slew of leftwing radicals are charged for attempting to k*ll ICE officers.
Where are you, Chris?
Western Lensman@WesternLensman
A few weeks ago, @ChrisMurphyCT attempted to gaslight Americans that political violence isn’t really an issue on the left:
“This isn’t a both sides issue."
He is now silent as a slew of leftwing radicals are charged for attempting to k*ll ICE officers.
Where are you, Chris?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 03:29 PM (L/fGl)
517
I don't think Musk knows anything about Epstein's clients; in fact, I don't believe he was ever in a position to know anything - unless he bumped into Bannon, himself, on the Island.
Posted by: Paco at July 08, 2025 03:29 PM (mADJX)
518
If Musk doesn't tell us how he knows who's on "the list" then he's part of the coverup.
If Musk doesn't tell us how he knows who's on "the list" then he's part of the coverup.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 03:30 PM (nC9OT)
519
And most people seem to just shrug and accept it."
I've written 3 sternly worded letters to my congress critter and senator critters. None of them have had any effect.
What do you recommend we do that you have not already attempted?
I've written 3 sternly worded letters to my congress critter and senator critters. None of them have had any effect.
What do you recommend we do that you have not already attempted?
Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at July 08, 2025 03:30 PM (89Sog)
520
Somewhere in hell, the wraiths of Epstein and Lee Harvey Oswald are swapping stories about what really went down.
Posted by: Paco at July 08, 2025 03:31 PM (mADJX)
521
It's not murder when you destroy all the evidence.
Posted by: fedep at July 08, 2025 03:32 PM (HboI0)
522
If Musk doesn't tell us how he knows who's on "the list" then he's part of the coverup.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 03:30 PM (nC9OT)
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Back during the campaign Musk outright accused Reid Hoffman of being on that list. Hoffman never sued, so I suppose he was correct.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 03:30 PM (nC9OT)
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Back during the campaign Musk outright accused Reid Hoffman of being on that list. Hoffman never sued, so I suppose he was correct.
Posted by: Orson at July 08, 2025 03:32 PM (dIske)
523
I really don't give a shit about Epstein.
Posted by: steevy at July 08, 2025 03:32 PM (YwEeS)
524
456 Sometime between Bondi saying the files were on her desk for review, and yesterday's announcement of essentially 'case closed', there was a conversation between two parties. And the result of that conversation was that this whole Epstein business should just go away.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: at July 08, 2025 03:19 PM (AOsQT)
I agree. The way Trump dismissed it today only confirmed it to me. They want this to go away now.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: at July 08, 2025 03:19 PM (AOsQT)
I agree. The way Trump dismissed it today only confirmed it to me. They want this to go away now.
Posted by: Ordinary American at July 08, 2025 03:33 PM (WHfpM)
525
I think the never ending Epstein saga is a big nothingball.
He first came to public notice as a private hedge fund manager. At one point, he is said to have had over $1B AUM (assets under management). This, despite the fact that his resume as a financial manager was REALLY thin! Nobody on Wall Street knew who he was.
Also, he was always suspected of being a "closet indexer," i.e., someone who just tracked the S&P 500... & charged a hefty fee for it.
Because he operated in a terrific bull market, his investors had no complaints.
I think he used his sex island as an incentive to bring in investors. If you're a frequent flier at Delta Airlines, you get a complementary membership in their fancy flight lounge.
Like that.
He first came to public notice as a private hedge fund manager. At one point, he is said to have had over $1B AUM (assets under management). This, despite the fact that his resume as a financial manager was REALLY thin! Nobody on Wall Street knew who he was.
Also, he was always suspected of being a "closet indexer," i.e., someone who just tracked the S&P 500... & charged a hefty fee for it.
Because he operated in a terrific bull market, his investors had no complaints.
I think he used his sex island as an incentive to bring in investors. If you're a frequent flier at Delta Airlines, you get a complementary membership in their fancy flight lounge.
Like that.
Posted by: mnw at July 08, 2025 03:35 PM (kd60y)
Posted by: logprof at July 08, 2025 03:37 PM (jo6FO)
527
This is bullshite on stilts. Epstein and his procuress were imprisoned but none of the johns? There may not be a "list," per se, of the Epstein clients but there is definitely documentation of their identities, which are being withheld from disclosure because they're important people and different rules apply to them. Which, fuck that. Or they're valuable foreigners that we don't want to discredit at this time. Which, okay, let's regret it later.
Posted by: AMartel at July 08, 2025 03:39 PM (otvi3)
528
I don't want to hear anymore about "drain the swamp" when apparently all the big alligators are exempt.
Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 08, 2025 03:39 PM (g/TqD)
529
Maybe it is an ongoing investigation and Trump is holding the cards to his chest.
Also why would these smart guys put themselves in a weak position.
All they got was a prince.
Also why would these smart guys put themselves in a weak position.
All they got was a prince.
Posted by: Dreamingrobot at July 08, 2025 03:46 PM (ycPkM)
530
I didn't think we'd be likely to have an actual date book with the names and details of each visit. However, Pam Bondi said there were thousands of hours of child porn. No one other than the children in these videos? No client information from Ghislaine Maxwell? O'keiffe Media recently showed Epstein's bedroom phones with people on speed dial. Are all of those people clueless to what was going on? Same oh Same oh with the DOJ and FBI. The make such a big deal about stuff that doesn't matter and then completely botch anything that does.
Posted by: ssm0use at July 08, 2025 03:50 PM (Y6TjP)
531
I'm not sure I follow the logic here. You're saying his intent would have been to blackmail via the implication but to not ever keep actual evidence that he could use in the event that his bluff gets called?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 08, 2025 02:27 PM (B9Prs)
A list of names on paper of customers is not 'actual evidence' of anything. You could write one up yourself. Actual tapes and such would be your blackmail material.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 08, 2025 02:27 PM (B9Prs)
A list of names on paper of customers is not 'actual evidence' of anything. You could write one up yourself. Actual tapes and such would be your blackmail material.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 08, 2025 03:51 PM (8avO+)
532
#529 I'm sure Trump is playing his cards here and I don't fault him. It does irritate tremendously that big shots are getting away with years of child exploitation. Maybe they're not, but they probably are.
Posted by: AMartel at July 08, 2025 03:54 PM (otvi3)
533
To say that Trump has no motive to cover this up other than being on the Epstein list himself is asinine. He could be covering for other ruling class elites he is allied with or perhaps there is other dirt on him that is being threatened with release if he exposes the list. Or, he believes releasing the list would be disruptive to the global agenda he is pursuing. For example, if Israel is implicated in this he would *not* release the list as he is currently blowing Netanyahu's cock.
Posted by: James Lingk at July 08, 2025 04:12 PM (4bExT)
534
Posted by: James Lingk at July 08, 2025 04:12 PM (4bExT)
Good points. I don't think it's about him but about the larger picture and the risks of disruption to it.
Good points. I don't think it's about him but about the larger picture and the risks of disruption to it.
Posted by: Ordinary American at July 08, 2025 04:17 PM (WHfpM)
535
I didn't see anything in the DOJ memo about "Client List". Perhaps that was something discussed in the press brief. Would I expect Epstein to have a list? Not really. My problem is the DOJ should have been making the list of who was Epstein's clients. Just like they should have made a list of who was his victims. The DOJ claims to have video evidence of various crimes, which means they should have information leading to a victim and a perp. Yet besides noting they wouldn't release that information; there was silence on them using that information to bring Justice to anyone; victim or perp.
This wasn't a campaign issue for me. It is an issue, but not my top ten. However, if the Administration is going to yap about this to include "it's on my desk and I'm going through it"; then either do something or shut up. It seems you are doing nothing and talking about doing nothing far too much.
This wasn't a campaign issue for me. It is an issue, but not my top ten. However, if the Administration is going to yap about this to include "it's on my desk and I'm going through it"; then either do something or shut up. It seems you are doing nothing and talking about doing nothing far too much.
Posted by: Leland at July 08, 2025 04:18 PM (aaSro)
536
"When you think about Epstein's operation, did you conceive it more as a sexual influence operation, in which he'd invite well-connected politicians and billionaires to his Pedo Island and then leverage those relationships.."
Failed forced political extortion
Clinton–Lewinsky scandal began 1995, ended 1997, 18 months. In 1998, MoveOn was created and began by passing around a petition asking Congress to "Censure President Clinton and Move On to Pressing Issues Facing the Nation," as opposed to impeaching him.[15][17] (Wikipedia) However, December 1998, the House of Representatives voted to impeach President Clinton on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice.The Senate trial began in January 1999 and lasted for three weeks. He was acquitted of all charges of perjury and obstruction of justice.
Epstein owned Little St. James, or "Epstein Island," from 1998 until death.
He pled guilty in Florida state court to soliciting a minor for prostitution & soliciting prostitution in 2008. In 2019, he was arrested on federal charges for sex trafficking of minors, jailed and awaiting trial for 36 days before his death. (His potential usefulness ended several years before.)
Failed forced political extortion
Clinton–Lewinsky scandal began 1995, ended 1997, 18 months. In 1998, MoveOn was created and began by passing around a petition asking Congress to "Censure President Clinton and Move On to Pressing Issues Facing the Nation," as opposed to impeaching him.[15][17] (Wikipedia) However, December 1998, the House of Representatives voted to impeach President Clinton on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice.The Senate trial began in January 1999 and lasted for three weeks. He was acquitted of all charges of perjury and obstruction of justice.
Epstein owned Little St. James, or "Epstein Island," from 1998 until death.
He pled guilty in Florida state court to soliciting a minor for prostitution & soliciting prostitution in 2008. In 2019, he was arrested on federal charges for sex trafficking of minors, jailed and awaiting trial for 36 days before his death. (His potential usefulness ended several years before.)
Posted by: L - $ buys time, not friends at July 08, 2025 04:18 PM (NFX2v)
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>MoveOn Facebook post, February 22, 2019: "Court documents show Epstein had a Palm Beach, Florida, mansion where at least 40 underage girls were brought for what turned into sexual encounters."
"Epstein reached the deal in 2008 with then-Miami US Attorney Alexander Acosta's office to end the federal probe that could have landed him in prison for life…"
Appended was PBS.org/newshour article, 'Judge rules sex abuse victim rights were violated in case prosecuted by Trump official' Nation, Feb 22, 2019
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No mention that "Epstein is instructed to register as a sex offender in New York City and told to report to the police department every 90 days. It is later revealed that he doesn't check in," as per Fair Observer dot com, or that in 2012 he had undertaken a public relations campaign with his Foundation donating millions to global causes including scientific research, cancer, etc.
Too late for 'redemption.'
2015, Virginia Roberts filed claims she had been pressured by Epstein to have sex with a British prince and an attorney of standing in the US when underage. 2016, a woman filed a suit against Trump claiming rape @ an Epstein party, 1994. And so on.
No where to go.
"Epstein reached the deal in 2008 with then-Miami US Attorney Alexander Acosta's office to end the federal probe that could have landed him in prison for life…"
Appended was PBS.org/newshour article, 'Judge rules sex abuse victim rights were violated in case prosecuted by Trump official' Nation, Feb 22, 2019
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No mention that "Epstein is instructed to register as a sex offender in New York City and told to report to the police department every 90 days. It is later revealed that he doesn't check in," as per Fair Observer dot com, or that in 2012 he had undertaken a public relations campaign with his Foundation donating millions to global causes including scientific research, cancer, etc.
Too late for 'redemption.'
2015, Virginia Roberts filed claims she had been pressured by Epstein to have sex with a British prince and an attorney of standing in the US when underage. 2016, a woman filed a suit against Trump claiming rape @ an Epstein party, 1994. And so on.
No where to go.
Posted by: L - $ buys time, not friends at July 08, 2025 04:19 PM (NFX2v)
538
Ace, with all due respect - this is a semantic game.
We can argue over what constitutes a client, what constitutes blackmail etc.
Someone was banging those kids at both Epstein's townhouse and his island.
THOSE. ARE. THE, NAMES. WE. WANT.
And I don't believe that info doesn't exist. Oh sure, there's no list labeled "these guys banged pre-teens" or "my blackmail list" but there's videos, there all sorts of highly circumstantial evidence around I'm sure.
PS- A valid reason Trump may not want to release is not because he's on the list, but because of the massive scandal it would cause if it came out (rightly I believe) that Epstein's operation was being run by one or more Western Governments.
We can argue over what constitutes a client, what constitutes blackmail etc.
Someone was banging those kids at both Epstein's townhouse and his island.
THOSE. ARE. THE, NAMES. WE. WANT.
And I don't believe that info doesn't exist. Oh sure, there's no list labeled "these guys banged pre-teens" or "my blackmail list" but there's videos, there all sorts of highly circumstantial evidence around I'm sure.
PS- A valid reason Trump may not want to release is not because he's on the list, but because of the massive scandal it would cause if it came out (rightly I believe) that Epstein's operation was being run by one or more Western Governments.
Posted by: Trumpy at July 08, 2025 04:39 PM (0Jg8J)
539
"do not put their freedom in jeopardy just because it's so fun to talk to the self-righteous idiot drips and wallflowers that call themselves "journalists."
Feh. Democrats do it all the time, whether what they have to say is true or not. They've been pretty sure, with good reason, that they won't actually be prosecuted regardless of what they make up or leak or whatever, and to whom.
I don't expect an actual list, but there must be a filing cabinet somewhere. An FBI reviewer-of-evidence would have to compile an actual list, no doubt. This did not happen, although it should have. Democrat toadies have ensured that we will never know the full truth.
God will still judge, though.
Feh. Democrats do it all the time, whether what they have to say is true or not. They've been pretty sure, with good reason, that they won't actually be prosecuted regardless of what they make up or leak or whatever, and to whom.
I don't expect an actual list, but there must be a filing cabinet somewhere. An FBI reviewer-of-evidence would have to compile an actual list, no doubt. This did not happen, although it should have. Democrat toadies have ensured that we will never know the full truth.
God will still judge, though.
Posted by: Persnickety at July 08, 2025 05:02 PM (jJdyX)
540
First, of course there is no "List" list. It wouldn't work like that, as you said.
Also, Leaks are one of the swamp's favorite ways to get out the narrative they want in a way that is both deniable and prevent those who actually know the classified info from refuting it.
Do not trust the leaks. It's absolutely insane that people often trust them more than they trust the words that the same people behind the leak say publicly.
"Good morning, he lied."
Also, Leaks are one of the swamp's favorite ways to get out the narrative they want in a way that is both deniable and prevent those who actually know the classified info from refuting it.
Do not trust the leaks. It's absolutely insane that people often trust them more than they trust the words that the same people behind the leak say publicly.
"Good morning, he lied."
Posted by: Ronzoni at July 08, 2025 05:03 PM (tof4A)
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Personal opinion: when Trump & Bondi actually got ahold of all the classified evidence, they realized that there were too many big name Republicans on the the list, and it would threaten the thin majority in Congress if published. I'm sure there are way more Dems, but they are out of power anyway.
Posted by: GrenadierX at July 08, 2025 05:21 PM (M3pDV)
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Former girls have said that Giuffre herself lured them into the operation as an agent of Epstein's. Epstein's chauffer said Giuffre lived large, he took her shopping with wads of cash for luxuries- she could have left at any time he said, and everyone says Giuffre was one of the leaders in the chain of command. Of course she then wanted to portray herself as a victim, especially when the money ran out and she saw a chance to make more, which succeeded with her payout from Andrew. So her testimony is discredited.
Posted by: pakisa at July 08, 2025 08:46 PM (ZtlsL)
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305. Gill Bates has had an awful lot of lucky breaks to get to his billions, which he recently said he plans to donate about 98% to some "charity".
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Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 08, 2025 09:25 PM (NFX2v)
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Allegedly, Epstein operated a sex trafficking enterprise, paying girls as young as 14, for sex at his Manhattan and Palm Beach residences.
Maybe the plethora of cameras reported to be on the island was Epstein's way of protecting himself from blackmail/accusations of sex trafficking there. (A failed escape from his past.)
Allegedly, Epstein operated a sex trafficking enterprise, paying girls as young as 14, for sex at his Manhattan and Palm Beach residences.
Maybe the plethora of cameras reported to be on the island was Epstein's way of protecting himself from blackmail/accusations of sex trafficking there. (A failed escape from his past.)
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 08, 2025 11:08 PM (NFX2v)
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"Trump would have no possible reason to cover any of this up, except for the obvious possibility that he's an Epstein client himself."
INCORRECT!
The rumor is that the Mossad was running Epstein as an asset, used to blackmail world leaders into adopting Israel-friendly policies.
Israel would do this because the Middle East is a dangerous place and they need every advantage they can get.
But if the "advantage" they gain is by subverting the democracy of one of their allies...well, that might not go over too well if it were ever exposed.
Anyone who values Israel or the current World Order would find that a compelling reason not to expose the operation.
And that includes people like Kash Patel and Dan Bongino.
INCORRECT!
The rumor is that the Mossad was running Epstein as an asset, used to blackmail world leaders into adopting Israel-friendly policies.
Israel would do this because the Middle East is a dangerous place and they need every advantage they can get.
But if the "advantage" they gain is by subverting the democracy of one of their allies...well, that might not go over too well if it were ever exposed.
Anyone who values Israel or the current World Order would find that a compelling reason not to expose the operation.
And that includes people like Kash Patel and Dan Bongino.
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