Russia Will Win In Ukraine, And It Doesn't Matter At All

I am tired of hearing about Ukraine. I am tired of seeing Zelenskyy and his stupid track suits and smug assumptions that he is a global player. He looks as stupid as Hillary Clinton in her pants suits, and maybe just as arrogant! And I am sick of Putin being elevated into some vaunted position as a global leader when Russia is a regional, not a world power. And most of all I am tired of the histrionics emanating from the media and most European capitols that Ukraine is some bastion of Western Freedom, and we all must rally 'round their flag. What that actually means is that they want America to foot the bill in treasure and blood so that they can continue their lovely cradle-to-grave welfare state lives while spending almost nothing on defense.

Russia is bigger than Ukraine, has a larger army, has access to allies that will assist them, and will most probably win this war. And why should they stop? They are achieving whatever goals they have, and the West without the American military doing the heavy lifting won't, or can't (or both) help.

Ukraine has a power-mad midget dictator (when was the last election in Ukraine?) who wants the West to pay for his intransigence in the face of the current Russian belligerence. But Ukraine is not blameless in this war, and regardless of why it started, they had opportunities to end the war with a negotiated ceasefire, but chose to continue to burn through their men and the West's arms on some ridiculous hope that somehow they could turn the tide. They were wrong, and a lot of people are dead because of that decision.

Putin Tells Trump He Won't Give Up Goals In Ukraine, Kremlin Says

Putin told Trump that “Russia will achieve its goals” in Ukraine and “will not abandon” them, according to Kremlin aide Yury Ushakov, who spoke with reporters following the July 3 call. Russia is seeking to conquer Ukraine and bring the independent country back into its fold. [bold mine]

Wow...where did that assumption come from? It's the first time I have seen it, and I doubt very much that Putin wants all of Ukraine. Hell, what would he do with it? My guess that he wants what he has been saying all along...he wants the Russian parts!

U.S. Pauses Ukraine Arms Shipments Amid Broader Military Aid Review, Pentagon Says

The announcement follows confirmation by the White House that some shipments—reportedly including vital air defense munitions—have been temporarily halted.
“We can’t give weapons to everybody all around the world. We have to look out for America and defending our homeland,” Pentagon spokesperson Sean Parnell said during his first solo press briefing.

And this is the unavoidable reality of the world. We have to make decisions based on what is best for America, but until recently we didn't have a president who cared more for America than for the rest of the world.

I am happy that the administration is prioritizing the defense of America and its armed forces over the defense of a corrupt pseudo-democracy and its tinpot dictator president.

[check below the fold for some clownish stupidity from Bill Kristol. It's almost too stupid to believe it is real!]

The current leader who best epitomizes the spirit of the Declaration of Independence is Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) July 3, 2025

Posted by: CBD at 11:50 AM

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1 first?

Posted by: Admirale's Mate at July 06, 2025 11:54 AM (sMkAM)

2
Love you CBD, but respectfully disagree.

Posted by: Auspex at July 06, 2025 11:54 AM (j4U/Z)

3 Yippee!

Posted by: Admirale's Mate at July 06, 2025 11:54 AM (sMkAM)

4 Clueless Kristol

Posted by: Zeera at July 06, 2025 11:59 AM (8j9kC)

5 I am tired of hearing about Ukraine.

Join the cuffing club, bro.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 06, 2025 12:00 PM (mlg/3)

6 I am knowing that history of USSR/Russia and Ukraine, very complicated. Is being difficult to know which side is right. To be square, I am not to have dog in fight. But no more monies to that tiny man in sweater.

Posted by: Don Black at July 06, 2025 12:01 PM (AOsQT)

7 WTF??!!

Zelensky and his troops are right outside Moscow!!! The press keeps telling me this. Are you saying I'm being lied to??!!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 06, 2025 12:01 PM (0eaVi)

Posted by: Don Black at July 06, 2025 12:01 PM (AOsQT)

9 Zelensky is not a dictator. Zelensky is nothing.

Zenlensky is an actor hired to sport a wardrobe chosen by his handlers while mouthing words he is too stupid to understand that were written by his handlers to perpetuate the crisis that war profiteers (on all sides of the political spectrum across the globe) are using to drain the US treasury into their pockets.

It is nothing but grift all the way down.

Posted by: biteme at July 06, 2025 12:02 PM (LDRcw)

10 Trump won't put one boot on the ground in Ukraine.

Are we doing this again?

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 12:02 PM (fV+MH)

11 Good afternoon everyone

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 12:02 PM (+qU29)

12 See at Conservative Treehouse the Texas deaths are at 18 adults and 14 children.

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 12:03 PM (+qU29)

13 Trump by word nor deed has ever expressed military adventurism anywhere.

He will missile strike your savage ass.

Believe that shit!

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 12:05 PM (fV+MH)

14 Oh! Look at little fat Billy sucking on that Zelenskyy dick! Yeah! Open wide Billy, there you go! Yeah! Harder baby, oh yeah, use that tongue, yeah, just like that, oh yeah! Your mouth is like a crown and I am the king! Yeah! Oh Yeah!

Posted by: Volodymyr Zelenskyy at July 06, 2025 12:05 PM (R/m4+)

15
*coughs loudly into microphone*

Good morning, Hordians.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2025 12:05 PM (/HVsR)

16 I know I keep harping on this point but we have ZERO strategic interests in ukraine.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 06, 2025 12:07 PM (e5NfL)

17 *coughs loudly into microphone*

Good morning, Hordians.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2025 12:05 PM (/HVsR)

Those who are late do not get fruit cup.

Posted by: Nurse Diesel at July 06, 2025 12:08 PM (0eaVi)

18
"War Is Not Healthy For Children And Other Living Things"

Remember that?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2025 12:08 PM (/HVsR)

19 See at Conservative Treehouse the Texas deaths are at 18 adults and 14 children.
Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 12:03 PM (+qU29)

Total deaths so far at 51, according to most sources.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 06, 2025 12:08 PM (5xuJ/)

20 If Europe wants to fight Russia with their armies if they even have them anymore.

They can't even fight for their own women against foreign invaders.

Like they will fight for Ukraine.

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 12:08 PM (fV+MH)

21
Total deaths so far at 51, according to most sources.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 06, 2025 12:08 PM (5xuJ/)

_________

"Now do you believe in Global Warming?"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2025 12:09 PM (/HVsR)

22 Russia is bigger than Ukraine, has a larger army, has access to festive little hats.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 06, 2025 12:09 PM (x9NgI)

23 This wouldn't have happened if not for the election of Biden. Here's hoping the opening of oil drilling in the United States curbs the adventurism of Russia.

Posted by: Cow Demon at July 06, 2025 12:09 PM (vm8sq)

24 "War Is Not Healthy For Children And Other Living Things"

Remember that?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2025 12:08 PM (/HVsR)

What about us?

Posted by: MIC Bank Accounts at July 06, 2025 12:10 PM (0eaVi)

25 Ahoy! Maties! Got your tickets for passage on the SS Cuckshed? Join us!

Posted by: First Mate Mona Charen at July 06, 2025 12:10 PM (G5+As)

26 check below the fold for some clownish stupidity from Bill Kristol. It's almost too stupid to believe it is real

Kristol's Fount of Stupidity is infinitively supplied.

Posted by: Chuck C at July 06, 2025 12:11 PM (D0HYP)

27 >>This wouldn't have happened if not for the election of Biden. Here's hoping the opening of oil drilling in the United States curbs the adventurism of Russia.

Another way of saying it is the reason Biden was installed was to make it happen.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 06, 2025 12:11 PM (viF8m)

28 My position on that war from the beginning - and one that I have seen no reason to change - is that this is a conflict between two organized crime families on the other side of the world, and I see no reason why I should pay for any of it, or cheerlead for either side.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2025 12:12 PM (0DdMG)

29 "My guess that he wants what he has been saying all along...he wants the Russian parts!"

What, Crimea, considering that the ejection of the Tatars is a long-done deal? He already had it, though he'd have been better off continuing to lease it instead of engaging in fuckery. The Ukrainians did, and would, have considered it a cheap price to keep Russia of their backs. But China and whoever Biden's handlers are convinced Russia they could snap up some massive oil/gas/ore deposits and 40 million non-muslims/non-asians to buttress their demographics.

Anyone who expected Ukraine to just roll over for practical reasons doesn't understand the last century or two of history there. Even most of the Russian speaking areas didn't go heavily for Russia in the 90's referendum; and *now* the majority of the Russian speakers there outside of Crimea loathe Russia, so much so that many are bailing on the language out of spite.

Posted by: heya at July 06, 2025 12:12 PM (OinN3)

30 10 Trump won't put one boot on the ground in Ukraine.

Are we doing this again?
Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 12:02 PM (fV+MH)

And we don't need to. The COG of Russia is the oil price. Drill here, produce as much oil as the market can bear, bring down the price of oil, Russia's government panics, as its budget is based on the price of oil (not wheat, not nickel, not diamonds, etc. Oil.).

Posted by: Cow Demon at July 06, 2025 12:13 PM (vm8sq)

31 I hate Bill Kristol so much. Never liked that douchebag.
Someone should slap that snide shit eating grin off his face.
Better yet. Slap his face so hard his head comes off.
Then break that booger hook he's poking his head with trying to look smart.
Why is he still even a thing? Why was he ever a thing? I know of nobody who likes him.

Posted by: Reforger at July 06, 2025 12:14 PM (SJnNf)

32 Another way of saying it is the reason Biden was installed was to make it happen.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 06, 2025 12:11 PM (viF8m)

Could be. But our grandchildren will know for sure long after we have started our dirt naps.

Posted by: Cow Demon at July 06, 2025 12:14 PM (vm8sq)

33 28 My position on that war from the beginning - and one that I have seen no reason to change - is that this is a conflict between two organized crime families on the other side of the world, and I see no reason why I should pay for any of it, or cheerlead for either side.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2025 12:12 PM (0DdMG)

DIME

Posted by: Cow Demon at July 06, 2025 12:15 PM (vm8sq)

34 And we don't need to. The COG of Russia is the oil price. Drill here, produce as much oil as the market can bear, bring down the price of oil, Russia's government panics, as its budget is based on the price of oil (not wheat, not nickel, not diamonds, etc. Oil.).
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 06, 2025 12:13 PM (vm8sq)

But Ottowa is forcing Alberta to keep its oil and gas in the ground. I wonder if the thought of keeping money out of Putin's hands would make the Carney Clowns change their minds?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 06, 2025 12:15 PM (0eaVi)

35 BTW, Elon's 3rd party is live. He filed with the FEC.

Posted by: Don Black at July 06, 2025 12:15 PM (AOsQT)

36 "Now do you believe in Global Warming?"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2025 12:09 PM (/HVsR)

Yeah, that'll be the next question asked by every newsreader at the MSM.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 06, 2025 12:16 PM (5xuJ/)

37 "Now do you believe in Global Warming?"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2025 12:09 PM (/HVsR)"

Looks like someone is FOIA'ing/demanding answers about cloud seeing operations in the area; shades of Micheal Crichton villains. A lot of the deep red staters that are waaaaaaaay out of the loop about doings in the non-red world are angry about "tin foil hattery" but most of them aren't aware of the controversy around the Dubai flooding last year.

Posted by: heya at July 06, 2025 12:16 PM (OinN3)

38 Yeah, that'll be the next question asked by every newsreader at the MSM.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 06, 2025 12:16 PM (5xuJ/)

Then we'll finally get an answer to the question of "what is the best temperature of the Earth?"

Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 06, 2025 12:17 PM (0eaVi)

39 President Trump has no desire for Uke war kickbacks. The bai-din clan did. End of story. Put a lid on that particular gaping rathole.

Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2025 12:17 PM (jgmnb)

40 war justifies all the bad economic decisions a state can make, and the EU has deficit spending, free printing, capital controls and oppressive laws to quell all disent.
The justification is the ramp up to total war against the evil ~~USSR~~ Russian Federation and its ~~KGB Colonel Secretary General~~ President Vladimir Putin

They MUST have a war, any war, and they MUST have a liquid economy to prop them up and do their fighting.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 06, 2025 12:18 PM (D7oie)

41 Then we'll finally get an answer to the question of "what is the best temperature of the Earth?"
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 06, 2025 12:17 PM (0eaVi)

42.

Posted by: Deep Thought (I was AI before AI was cool) at July 06, 2025 12:18 PM (PiwSw)

42
But Ottowa is forcing Alberta to keep its oil and gas in the ground

_________

- "Our economy is based on selling natural resources."

- "So let's not extract the natural resources we sell."

- "The economy will boom!"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2025 12:18 PM (/HVsR)

43 Divided we get conquered

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 12:18 PM (+qU29)

44 Then we'll finally get an answer to the question of "what is the best temperature of the Earth?"
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 06, 2025 12:17 PM (0eaVi)

69. Heh.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 06, 2025 12:19 PM (5xuJ/)

45 But Ottowa is forcing Alberta to keep its oil and gas in the ground. I wonder if the thought of keeping money out of Putin's hands would make the Carney Clowns change their minds?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 06, 2025 12:15 PM (0eaVi)

Ah - I see your error. You presume that the Carney Clowns have these strange things called “thoughts.”

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2025 12:19 PM (Lhvai)

46 "Then we'll finally get an answer to the question of "what is the best temperature of the Earth?"
Posted by: OrangeEnt "

72.4 degrees Fahrenheit. With overcast skies and a pleasant breeze.

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 12:19 PM (fV+MH)

47 There are no good guys in this war...On another note I just read that the death toll in Texas is 66 with 21 being Children and many more missing... I'm just heartsick for those Families....

Posted by: It's me donna at July 06, 2025 12:19 PM (VE6XX)

48
Then we'll finally get an answer to the question of "what is the best temperature of the Earth?"
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 06, 2025 12:17 PM (0eaVi)

__________

Whatever it is and whenever we get there, women will continue to fiddle with the thermostat.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2025 12:20 PM (/HVsR)

49 >>Could be. But our grandchildren will know for sure long after we have started our dirt naps.

Bringing Ukraine, and Georgia for that matter, has been a goal of the bi-partisan elite foreign policy in the DC for decades. It caused Putin to invade Georgia back in 2008.

In 2014 the Obama/Biden administration ran a coup in Ukraine to take down an elected president that was friendly with Russia and install their own puppet. In 2016 -2018 they ran the Russian hoax to both dirty up Russia and try to take Trump down. When that failed they tried to impeach over a phone call. With Ukraine which until the time of that call precisely nobody in the US gave a wet fart about.

Those countries weren't chosen at random. They knew Trump was not going to help start the war in Ukraine so he had to go, one way or the other.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 06, 2025 12:21 PM (viF8m)

50 > Russia is bigger than Ukraine,
So?
has a larger army,
Sending 70 year old men to the front line

> has access to allies that will assist them,
so does Ukraine
and will most probably win this war.
3 days to Kiev!

> Ukraine has a power-mad midget dictator (when was the last election in Ukraine?)

Ukrainian constitution says no elections during war time. Legislature decides whether it's wartime by renewing a declaration of martial law EVERY 90 DAYS.

You're a crappy dictator if you need the legislatures permission to keep dictating.

Posted by: comradearthur at July 06, 2025 12:21 PM (OdNzD)

51 "There are no good guys in this war...On another note I just read that the death toll in Texas is 66 with 21 being Children and many more missing... I'm just heartsick for those Families....
Posted by: It's me donna"

Just sickening.

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 12:21 PM (fV+MH)

52 Feb 2022 to July 2025 (41 months) → the current conflict in Ukraine

Dec 1941 to May 1945 (41 months) → the entire duration of US involvement in WWII in Europe from Pearl Harbor to Nazi Germany surrender.

Compare and contrast.

Posted by: muldoon at July 06, 2025 12:22 PM (poXs5)

53 True. If Europe want to fight, then let them fight; it's not our fight. Only if it's in our best interests should we get involved.
Seems like the leftists wanted (incomplete and in no order):
1) Iran to get a nuke
2) Israel to be destroyed
3) US get involved in a shooting war with Russia
4) Kowtow to China
5) Become a true fascist state here

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2025 12:23 PM (ynpvh)

54 Trump said former Biden “emptied out our whole country giving (Ukriane) weapons, and we have to make sure that we have enough for ourselves.”

By the end of the year Ukraine will be in Russian hands and Taiwan will be in China's. Trump Will see to it

Once again running Biden down, accusing him of depleting our stock of Military Weapons, while at the same time pleasing the Military Industrial Complex with new orders.

I'm sure Trump confers with Putin daily about what more he could be doing in favor of Putin/Russia and against Russia's enemies.

Because of TACO, the United States is now an ally of the Evil Empire Russia.

Our weapons industry takes the hit unless we send the new surplus to Israel, Saudi or Iran. Does Bibi need those bombs to reflatten the rubble in Gaza?

Every Ukrainian death is as much Trump's fault as it is Putin's now. If there was real justice in this world they would both be swinging from the gallows next to each other.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 06, 2025 12:23 PM (ycI94)

55 >>>And why should they stop? They are achieving whatever goals they have, and the West without the American military doing the heavy lifting won't, or can't (or both) help.
--------------------

Lessons from Russia: Promises, no NATO moving east, promises broken.
Europe, you should not believe your press releases; I'll show you.
Lesson from Trump: Europe, this is your mess.
Lessons have not been learned yet.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 12:23 PM (pyBzP)

56 52 Feb 2022 to July 2025 (41 months) → the current conflict in Ukraine

Dec 1941 to May 1945 (41 months) → the entire duration of US involvement in WWII in Europe from Pearl Harbor to Nazi Germany surrender.

Compare and contrast.

Posted by: muldoon at July 06, 2025 12:22 PM (poXs5)

Eh, both of those are short.

Posted by: Hundred Years War at July 06, 2025 12:24 PM (ynpvh)

57 I’m not tired of Ukraine because I don’t pay attention to it and never have. Couldn’t care less about all of it.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 06, 2025 12:24 PM (2Igpt)

58 Every Ukrainian death is as much Trump's fault as it is Putin's now. If there was real justice in this world they would both be swinging from the gallows next to each other.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 06, 2025 12:23 PM (ycI94)

You forget who started this war or at least allowed it and it wasn't Trump.. Someone else should be swinging from those gallows...

Posted by: It's me donna at July 06, 2025 12:25 PM (VE6XX)

59 By the end of the year Ukraine will be in Russian hands and Taiwan will be in China's. Trump Will see to it

Yeah, and had nothing to do with Clinton, Obama, and Biden, right? I mean, those guys bent over backwards for China and only Donnie is opposing them. F'n hypocrites.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2025 12:25 PM (ynpvh)

60 From a meteorologist I follow:

“Nonsense.

The decaying remnants of Tropical Storm Barry became embedded within a mid-level trough over Central Texas on Friday, and stalled. This is because it was cut off from the main jet stream circulation, so there was no bulk atmospheric steering flow to kick it along.

This wasn’t climate change.

And, this wasn’t Bill Gates using his magic wand to “weaponize” the weather either.

The amount of science-illiterate content I am seeing on here from the left and right lately is becoming nauseating.”

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2025 12:26 PM (Lhvai)

61 >>>Wow...where did that assumption come from?
---

Trump style. If it works for Trump it can work for me.
_V. Putin

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 12:27 PM (pyBzP)

62 60 From a meteorologist I follow:

“Nonsense.

The decaying remnants of Tropical Storm Barry became embedded within a mid-level trough over Central Texas on Friday, and stalled. This is because it was cut off from the main jet stream circulation, so there was no bulk atmospheric steering flow to kick it along.

This wasn’t climate change.

And, this wasn’t Bill Gates using his magic wand to “weaponize” the weather either.

The amount of science-illiterate content I am seeing on here from the left and right lately is becoming nauseating.”

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2025 12:26 PM (Lhvai)

I could see a tropical storm named Barry becoming embedded within a mid-level trough...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2025 12:27 PM (ynpvh)

63 Kristol is a fool. A world-class one. But this comment is over the top sickening. And massively inappropriate - especially this weekend. This man's very existence offends me.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at July 06, 2025 12:27 PM (DQ7H4)

64 I don't even know how to give a fuck what DU says.

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 12:28 PM (fV+MH)

65 64 I don't even know how to give a fuck what DU says.

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 12:28 PM (fV+MH)

Send them gay dildos. They'll love it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2025 12:28 PM (ynpvh)

66
This is because it was cut off from the main jet stream circulation, so there was no bulk atmospheric steering flow to kick it along.

__________

Hurricane Harvey was caught between two high pressure domes and didn't move for days. This happens.

It's weather. Your grill had nothing to do with it. It's arrogant and stupid to think otherwise.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2025 12:29 PM (/HVsR)

67 Ukraine is about NATO.

The purpose of NATO was to contain the Soviet Union, but that mission *ended* when George H. W. Bush was President. Yet NATO didn't disband - it *expanded*. Putin "started" the war in Ukraine because of the threat expanding NATO into Ukraine presented. But why does NATO keep expanding in the first place?

Because NATO is about the Fabian dream of a one-world government, and you can't have *that* without a one-world STANDING ARMY.

Posted by: FretlessT at July 06, 2025 12:30 PM (qzVpA)

68 and Taiwan will be in China's. Trump Will see to it
>>>Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
---

Looked to see who wrote that nonsense.
Yep, the Decaying Underground, of course.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 12:31 PM (pyBzP)

69 67 Ukraine is about NATO.

The purpose of NATO was to contain the Soviet Union, but that mission *ended* when George H. W. Bush was President. Yet NATO didn't disband - it *expanded*. Putin "started" the war in Ukraine because of the threat expanding NATO into Ukraine presented. But why does NATO keep expanding in the first place?

Because NATO is about the Fabian dream of a one-world government, and you can't have *that* without a one-world STANDING ARMY.

Posted by: FretlessT at July 06, 2025 12:30 PM (qzVpA)

We prefer sitting while we do our business.

Posted by: Tranny Army at July 06, 2025 12:31 PM (ynpvh)

70 I eagerly await the arrival of Kommadore Kristol and the Hollywood Armada in the port of Odessa, to turn the tide in this struggle for democratic norms.

All of their rhetoric. deployed against the Russian army, will have a greater effect than when the Germans deployed the Tiger tank on the Eastern Front.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at July 06, 2025 12:31 PM (5yDGQ)

71 I don't know why this makes me happy, but it does:

@CollinRugg 15h
NEW: Rioters in Mexico City demand that Americans stop immigrating to their country and “stop stealing” their homes.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 06, 2025 12:32 PM (mlg/3)

72 "the United States is now an ally of the Evil Empire Russia."

Let me tell you about Uncle Joe Steel...

Posted by: Richard Cranium at July 06, 2025 12:32 PM (YcNk6)

73 Then we'll finally get an answer to the question of "what is the best temperature of the Earth?"
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 06, 2025 12:17 PM (0eaVi)

__________

Whatever it is and whenever we get there, women will continue to fiddle with the thermostat.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2025 12:20 PM (/HVsR)

Hadrian the Seventh spittin' solid gold facts!

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 06, 2025 12:33 PM (vCRjX)

74 Yes. 69 seems to be the best temperature.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 06, 2025 12:33 PM (0eaVi)

75 71 I don't know why this makes me happy, but it does:

@CollinRugg 15h
NEW: Rioters in Mexico City demand that Americans stop immigrating to their country and “stop stealing” their homes.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 06, 2025 12:32 PM (mlg/3)

That's rich, given Americans CAN'T own property in Mexico.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2025 12:33 PM (ynpvh)

76 Zelenskyy will be remembered as the greatest general of the early 21st Century, the Ukrainian people for their valiant patriotism and discipline, and Putin for his intelligence services which managed to turn a swarth of conservative opinion whose good sense just tuckered out.

Posted by: Rip N Read at July 06, 2025 12:34 PM (fr4zq)

77 Russia is not winning and will not win. All Putin is doing is wrecking his country. As Russia weakens, Ukraine is getting stronger.

Posted by: Quartermaster at July 06, 2025 12:34 PM (fs8hc)

78 Fellow billionaire Mark Cuban, meanwhile, appeared — not for the first time — to support the idea of a new party, replying to Musk's Saturday announcement with a series of fireworks and fire emojis.

"I work with @voterchoice. They will help you get on ballots. That is their mission," Cuban wrote in another post.

Posted by: Don Black at July 06, 2025 12:35 PM (AOsQT)

79 The remnants of Hurricane Floyd sat over Franklin, VA for days and drowned the "downtown" totally. I'm only 50 miles away and it was just a minor wind/rain event here.

Posted by: Sometimes, You Lose! at July 06, 2025 12:35 PM (G5+As)

80 In 41 months the US declared war, mobilized a peacetime military for major global two-ocean war, invaded Fortress Europe, liberated Italy, France, the Low Countries and the Balkans, then invaded the German Vaterland and closed in on Berlin.

In 41 months Russia has occupied a handful of eastern Ukkraine provinces with large proportion of ethnic Russian population, and thrown a lot oof ordnance at Ukraine. Seems the lack either the will or the ability to "conquer" Ukraine..

Posted by: muldoon at July 06, 2025 12:35 PM (poXs5)

81 I don't know why this makes me happy, but it does:

@CollinRugg 15h
NEW: Rioters in Mexico City demand that Americans stop immigrating to their country and “stop stealing” their homes.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 06, 2025 12:32 PM (mlg/3)

I am reliably informed the reason is schadenfreude. It's a German word literally meaning harm-joy.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 06, 2025 12:35 PM (vCRjX)

82 27 >>This wouldn't have happened if not for the election of Biden. Here's hoping the opening of oil drilling in the United States curbs the adventurism of Russia.
----

He would have settled for less earlier on. Speculating he's going to push for a return to old NATO agreement during negotiations.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 12:35 PM (pyBzP)

83 Democratic Wins Media@DemocraticWins
BREAKING: In a stunning moment, Republican Senator James Lankford admits that President Biden’s border bill would have been far more successful than anything Trump has done on the border. Even Republicans are bashing Trump now.

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Biden was a genius, I tells ya!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Big Mouth of the West at July 06, 2025 12:37 PM (L/fGl)

84 Mark Cuban LOL!!! Cuban is to political movements what Jim Kramer is to stock selection.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2025 12:38 PM (Lhvai)

85 83 Democratic Wins Media@DemocraticWins
BREAKING: In a stunning moment, Republican Senator James Lankford admits that President Biden’s border bill would have been far more successful than anything Trump has done on the border. Even Republicans are bashing Trump now.

Blanket amnesty ? WTF Lankford ?

Posted by: It's me donna at July 06, 2025 12:38 PM (VE6XX)

86 82 27 >>This wouldn't have happened if not for the election of Biden. Here's hoping the opening of oil drilling in the United States curbs the adventurism of Russia.
----

He would have settled for less earlier on. Speculating he's going to push for a return to old NATO agreement during negotiations.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 12:35 PM (pyBzP)

I hope he requests/demands the end of NATO. He might also demand reparations from the EU for propping up this puppet.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 06, 2025 12:38 PM (S/Y4j)

87 Bill Kristol was Dwayne Hickman's, (G.H.W. Bush's Vice President) campaign manager when he ran for president.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 12:39 PM (pyBzP)

88 I don't even know how to give a fuck what DU says.
Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 12:28 PM (fV+MH)

Funny, though, how some of their arguments resemble those of the Uke fanbois here.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 06, 2025 12:40 PM (fmXlM)

89 When the USSR dissolved, NATO should have, too. The nations of Europe could have come out from under Uncle Samantha's skirt and stood on their own. They prefer the cucked theme park model, I guess.

Posted by: Sissies! at July 06, 2025 12:40 PM (G5+As)

90 I despise Putin, he's evil.
Zelinsky, I also dislike because he's corrupt, but at least he is willing to come to the table and have a cease-fire. Putin is not..

Posted by: redridinghood at July 06, 2025 12:41 PM (NpAcC)

91 The Lankford video is a big trick (although I don’t dispute that Lankford is an idiot)
That video is from 2024, made when Biden was still President (nominally) and Lankford was still sore about the failure of his bill that would have allowed 5,000 illegals to cross the border every day.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2025 12:41 PM (Lhvai)

92 NATO has become a reason for war rather than a deterrent of war, it is time to dissolve it. Furthermore, I don't think we should have gotten involved in this war. Our involvement has prolonged the war and resulted in many more dead. Enough.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 06, 2025 12:41 PM (PcTds)

93 Evil Empire?"

The DU is kinda sounding Gipperish...

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 06, 2025 12:41 PM (PiwSw)

94 Demographics dooms Ukraine. Where are the men to head families, to have children?

But the drones, hundreds of thousands of them, are a force multiplier. Maybe both countries will collapse from exhaustion.

Posted by: JM in Illinois at July 06, 2025 12:41 PM (QbJcY)

95 >>Democratic Wins Media@DemocraticWins
BREAKING: In a stunning moment, Republican Senator James Lankford admits that President Biden’s border bill would have been far more successful than anything Trump has done on the border. Even Republicans are bashing Trump now.

Yea, huge win. Republican who helped write the border bill liked the border bill.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 06, 2025 12:41 PM (viF8m)

96 >>>I hope he requests/demands the end of NATO. He might also demand reparations from the EU for propping up this puppet.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf
-----------------

Or at least, release Russia's money being held in the (BoE?) and stop using the interest from it to fund the war in Ukraine.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 12:42 PM (pyBzP)

97 I wonder what would happen if Z-man took a dirt nap.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 06, 2025 12:43 PM (mT+6a)

98 Mark Cuban is a snake and Elon evidently, has no common sense.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 06, 2025 12:44 PM (NpAcC)

99 Mark Cuban a hispanic?

Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2025 12:44 PM (jgmnb)

100 Cigar?

Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2025 12:45 PM (jgmnb)

101 90 I despise Putin, he's evil.
Zelinsky, I also dislike because he's corrupt, but at least he is willing to come to the table and have a cease-fire. Putin is not..
Posted by: redridinghood
------------------------------

Three times the table was set, three times he backed away.
They aren't going to set a table for him again.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 12:45 PM (pyBzP)

102 Ukes need to Ceasusecu Z-Man.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 06, 2025 12:45 PM (wBaIH)

103 Yes its been a blood feud for 300 years at least

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 06, 2025 12:45 PM (bXbFr)

104 If, and it's a *big* if, the eurofags do anything of substance to fight OMG Russia Russia Russia themselves, it will be to *selectively* draft their internal dissidents to be used as cannon fodder. Seems like a potential tipping point for internal sportiness to kick off.

I really hope Donny Two Scoops and crew are thinking about GTFO of NATO.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 06, 2025 12:46 PM (ULPxl)

105 >> despise Putin, he's evil.
Zelinsky, I also dislike because he's corrupt, but at least he is willing to come to the table and have a cease-fire. Putin is not..

I think one of the reasons Putin is so determined to force terms on his conditions before he agrees to come to the table is because of the ethnic cleansing program led by Zelensky's government ran against ethnic Russian Ukranians citizens prior to the war.

It didn't get much play here in the US because it would have hurt that narrative but thousands were killed. Zelensky is no saint. He not only suspended election and threw his political opponents in prison is rounding up men of all ages to fight a war he can't win.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 06, 2025 12:46 PM (viF8m)

106 No hes actually of ukrainian background if memory serves

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 06, 2025 12:46 PM (bXbFr)

107 I’d like to see a spreadsheet of all the billions of US taxpayer dollars that have been given to Ukraine.

Not a single penny more until I see some accounting and proof.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 06, 2025 12:46 PM (mT+6a)

108 I wouldn't believe anything until evidently reported.

The internet is so NOW!

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 12:46 PM (fV+MH)

109 When the USSR dissolved, NATO should have, too. The nations of Europe could have come out from under Uncle Samantha's skirt and stood on their own. They prefer the cucked theme park model, I guess.
Posted by: Sissies!

My retarded take is that NATO should have generated an 'anti-iron curtain' of the former satellite countries, and then disappeared up it's own ass. But, same same.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 06, 2025 12:47 PM (mlg/3)

110 35 BTW, Elon's 3rd party is live. He filed with the FEC.
Posted by: Don Black at July 06, 2025 12:15 PM (AOsQT)

---

When I was younger, I believed such things could change american politics. But ross perot helped bill clinton get elected. Libertarian party never made an impact. Sorry to see Musk go down this road.

Posted by: JM in Illinois at July 06, 2025 12:47 PM (QbJcY)

111 Biden pushed for this war to weaken the US arsenal on behalf of China.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 06, 2025 12:47 PM (wBaIH)

112 Yea, huge win. Republican who helped write the border bill liked the border bill.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 06, 2025 12:41 PM (viF8m)

See above, Jack. The left is running a 2024 video and pretending Lankford just said it. (Not that I think much of Lankford, but this is just a dirty trick)

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2025 12:47 PM (Lhvai)

113 Curious that the Ukrainians haven't assassinated Zelenski.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 12:48 PM (pyBzP)

114 "Biden pushed for this war to weaken the US arsenal on behalf of China.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov"

Well...sure ...that's a theory!

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 12:49 PM (fV+MH)

115 I care about the Ukrainian war solely because they *had* nukes when the Soviet Union fell, and Clinton talked them out of them, promising that we had their back. It's going to be damn hard to do the same in the future. If there is a revolution in Pakistan, the brand new secular egalitarian regime is going to tell us to fuck off. Promising to recognize them won't convince the Frankish Caliphate to disarm.

Posted by: bittergeek at July 06, 2025 12:49 PM (NFXcl)

116 That being said the odds of ukrsinian leaders that lose ard not good

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 06, 2025 12:50 PM (bXbFr)

117 And most of all I am tired of the histrionics emanating from the media and most European capitols

You don't have to believe that the Ukrainian average shmoes deserve to have this chaos, to be creeped the fck out by the list of "famous" asshoes who were screaming the loudest to support KEEEV.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 06, 2025 12:50 PM (ULPxl)

118 An Odd Coouple

Cuban is a lousy rumormonger
While Elon has an entrepreneurial hunger
But boil it down to the husk
Mark Cuban is to Elon Musk
as Oscar Madison is to Felix Unger

Posted by: muldoon at July 06, 2025 12:50 PM (poXs5)

119 Sorry to see Musk go down this road.
Posted by: JM in Illinois
-------------------------

Hopefully the end comes quick that he may turn his attention back to Mars. This politics is an evil distraction.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 12:50 PM (pyBzP)

120 Calling Ukraine a democracy is like picking up a turd by its clean end. “Bill Kristol” should be an insult regarding someone’s intelligence.

Posted by: Unkaren at July 06, 2025 12:51 PM (J4BK5)

121 >>See above, Jack. The left is running a 2024 video and pretending Lankford just said it. (Not that I think much of Lankford, but this is just a dirty trick)

Not surprising given how dishonest the left has become. But do they really expect that we have forgotten Lankford was one of the authors and biggest proponents of that border bill?

Posted by: JackStraw at July 06, 2025 12:51 PM (viF8m)

122 >>> 66
This is because it was cut off from the main jet stream circulation, so there was no bulk atmospheric steering flow to kick it along.

__________

Hurricane Harvey was caught between two high pressure domes and didn't move for days. This happens.

It's weather. Your grill had nothing to do with it. It's arrogant and stupid to think otherwise.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2025 12:29 PM (/HVsR)

Well DUH, it's that *plus* the cow farts! Don't you know ANYTHING?!?!?!

Posted by: Alexandria Occasional-Cortex at July 06, 2025 12:52 PM (ULPxl)

123 Mark Cuban is living breathing proof against America being a meritocracy.

Posted by: A high functioning retard with a billion bucks at July 06, 2025 12:53 PM (TbWk/)

124 What is the current over/under on how many weeks before Cuban and Musk have a spectacular and public falling out?

Posted by: muldoon at July 06, 2025 12:55 PM (poXs5)

125 What would Russia do with all of Ukraine? Why, the same thing they said they wanted at the beginning: They would use it as a buffer state to keep NATO from being right next door.

I dunno if Ukraine is going to fold here. A smaller country without an industrial base continuing to fight a larger aggressive country for decades? That never works out. Just ask Afghanistan. I don't think the determining factor in this conflict is going to be if you like the cut of a track suit.

Posted by: Semper Why at July 06, 2025 12:55 PM (nKug+)

126 83 Democratic Wins Media@DemocraticWins
BREAKING: In a stunning moment, Republican Senator James Lankford admits that President Biden’s border bill would have been far more successful than anything Trump has done on the border. Even Republicans are bashing Trump now.

—————-

Hey Hey, Ho Ho, Lankford has got to go!!

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at July 06, 2025 12:55 PM (8fdMP)

127 " Mark Cuban is living breathing proof against America being a meritocracy.
Posted by: A high functioning retard with a billion bucks"

I'm not saying Mark Cuban is dumb.

I'm not saying Bob Iger is dumb.

I'm not saying Kathleen Kennedy is dumb.

I'm just saying they're dumb.

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 12:56 PM (fV+MH)

128 @91

>>That video is from 2024, made when Biden was still President (nominally) and Lankford was still sore about the failure of his bill that would have allowed 5,000 illegals to cross the border every day.

We've gone from 10s of thousands of illegal entries a day, to a handful and zero... point... zero... illegals being released into the country.

You can do better Oklahoma.

Be better.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 06, 2025 12:56 PM (XV/Pl)

129 Hw scored one good gig selling his company to aol, that allowed him to buy the mavericks and pursue 9-11 denialism

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 06, 2025 12:56 PM (bXbFr)

130 88 I don't even know how to give a fuck what DU says.
Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 12:28 PM (fV+MH)

We think that DU posters and others on the left would start to reflect on their many defeats and pull back a bit.
But instead, like all true mental patients, every defeat just drives them to dig deeper and deeper into their psychoses. Every defeat is just more proof that “those in power” truly are conspiring against them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2025 12:56 PM (0DdMG)

131 DUmmies really do live in a fantasy fever dream of their own creation. It's astounding how unverified by facts and reason they are. How does one achieve such a state of existence?

Posted by: My fantasy world would be really kickass though at July 06, 2025 12:57 PM (TbWk/)

132 "What is the current over/under on how many weeks before Cuban and Musk have a spectacular and public falling out?
Posted by: muldoon"

HAH!!

Very good point. I'm going August something.

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 12:57 PM (fV+MH)

133 Unburdened not unverified. Stupid autocorrect

Posted by: My fantasy world would be really kickass though at July 06, 2025 12:58 PM (TbWk/)

134 Is that sid or someone dumber

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 06, 2025 12:58 PM (bXbFr)

135 I don’t think Musk has the attention span to keep up with the long term demands of running a political party.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2025 12:59 PM (0DdMG)

136 It's going to take a couple weeks for Cuban and Musk to have sex and look at each other lovingly.

And then a couple weeks more til Mark gets pissy about where the Cheerios are.

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 12:59 PM (fV+MH)

137 Now zelensky is a good a lizard you are likely to find as an employee of kolomoisky the hammer, who had a falling out not because he looted 6 billion dollars

Poroshenko the chocolate king was a much nastier piece of work

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 06, 2025 01:01 PM (bXbFr)

138 Hes the one who had actual ukrainian nazis in his cabinet the swoboda (freedom party)

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 06, 2025 01:02 PM (bXbFr)

139 When I was younger, I believed such things could change american politics. But ross perot helped bill clinton get elected.

Perot did turn out to be right about pretty near everything, though.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 06, 2025 01:04 PM (QZThv)

140 In my hope, Russia would win and seize all of Ukraine including every penny corrupt US politicians have laundred there. That's a win.

Posted by: Kevin Bakin' at July 06, 2025 01:04 PM (pTWJd)

141 Putin was foolish one to engage in this mission two to trust that stupid tuvan to run it three to invade kiev from the north in the winter

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 06, 2025 01:04 PM (bXbFr)

142

I could care less about Ukraine for the simple reason that those of my ancestors on my father's side in and around Odessa not shot into mass graves by Eisatzgruppen D (manned with quite a few Ukrainian volunteers) were slaughtered in the pogroms for many decades prior. Ditto Russia. The Pale of Settlement is drenched in an ocean of Jewish blood.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2025 01:06 PM (x0n13)

143 17 Those who are late do not get fruit cup.
Posted by: Nurse Diesel at July 06, 2025 12:08 PM (0eaVi)

I feel personally attacked by that statement.

Posted by: tankdemon at July 06, 2025 01:07 PM (R256O)

144 Putin was foolish one to engage in this mission two to trust that stupid tuvan to run it three to invade kiev from the north in the winter

***********

And he should have never gotten into a battle of wits with a Sicilian when death is on the line.

Posted by: muldoon at July 06, 2025 01:07 PM (poXs5)

145 In my hope, Russia would win and seize all of Ukraine including every penny corrupt US politicians have laundred there. That's a win.

I've said for years now that Putin could win immediately by just seizing all the servers in Kiev that list all the corruption being paid to Democrats, Labour, the EU, and various other global leftist organizations. They'd all give him whatever he wanted to make it go away.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 06, 2025 01:08 PM (QZThv)

146 138 Hes the one who had actual ukrainian nazis in his cabinet the swoboda (freedom party)
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 06, 2025 01:02 PM (bXbFr
Yeah, wonder why the dems didn’t see that? I mean, I know they were trying to shove each other away from the trough at the time (still are). Was it the nazi uniforms that dazzled them?

Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2025 01:08 PM (jgmnb)

147 Hopefully the end comes quick that he may turn his attention back to Mars. This politics is an evil distraction.

I have a sort of Unified Theory of Elon that is much too long to include here but I strongly suspect that he has only gone into politics because he sees it as a necessary obstacle to overcome on his way to Mars.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2025 01:09 PM (/y8xj)

148

Ron Swoboda '69 Mets >>>>>>>> swoboda party

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2025 01:09 PM (x0n13)

149 >>> 146 138 Hes the one who had actual ukrainian nazis in his cabinet the swoboda (freedom party)
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 06, 2025 01:02 PM (bXbFr

Yeah, wonder why the dems didn’t see that? I mean, I know they were trying to shove each other away from the trough at the time (still are). Was it the nazi uniforms that dazzled them?
Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2025 01:08 PM (jgmnb)

But they did. Wasn't it as recent as 2017 that a "bipartisan" group was pushing for the Azov battalion to be designated as a terrorist org?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 06, 2025 01:09 PM (ULPxl)

150 Putin is living it up, he's Putin on the Ritz.

While Zelensky is just plain crackers!

Posted by: muldoon at July 06, 2025 01:10 PM (poXs5)

151 Was it the nazi uniforms that dazzled them?
Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2025 01:08 PM (jgmnb)

The German uniforms were Boss looking!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 06, 2025 01:10 PM (0eaVi)

152 Happy to see Elon create a 3rd party. I always hear some fat, dumb American bitching and moaning of wanting a 3rd choice over the democrats and republicans. But when it comes time to vote, nothing will really change. Folks like their free shit and change is hard work. Smoking crack, drinking 40s and making TitTat videos while voting for someone like Obongo is easy. Hope and change baby!

Posted by: The Feds are broke, busted and in debt at July 06, 2025 01:11 PM (R/m4+)

153 Subsidizing Zelenskyyyy's cocaine habit is not big on my list of priorities for the US.

Posted by: neither was Hunter's at July 06, 2025 01:11 PM (TbWk/)

154 JJ...I don't think the people of Russia or Ukraine want this.

But I know nothing.

This seems to be a war of WWI.

Which will forever haunt us.

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 01:11 PM (fV+MH)

155 Elon's new party has an Indian (dot not feather) treasurer and Elon is already calling for restrictions on guns. I think we should call it the H1B Party.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 06, 2025 01:11 PM (AcTAo)

156 I have a sort of Unified Theory of Elon that is much too long to include here but I strongly suspect that he has only gone into politics because he sees it as a necessary obstacle to overcome on his way to Mars.

100%. The Unified Theory can really just condense to "Mars is the goal, everything else is in service to that goal". He'd likely be less politically involved now if the Biden junta hadn't fucked with his ability to test-fly Starship or to rescue the ISS strandees.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 06, 2025 01:11 PM (QZThv)

157 151 Was it the nazi uniforms that dazzled them?
Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2025 01:08 PM (jgmnb)

The German uniforms were Boss looking!
Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 06, 2025 01:10 PM (0eaVi)

Once Hugo Boss, Hugo Black!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2025 01:11 PM (x0n13)

158 I see Bill Kristol keeps digging.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 06, 2025 01:12 PM (JkO4W)

159 If Ukraine waits to negotiate, they will lose everything east of the Dnipro, and Odessa to boot. It will be a real rump state.

Posted by: toby928 at July 06, 2025 01:13 PM (jc0TO)

160 16 I know I keep harping on this point but we have ZERO strategic interests in ukraine.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)

I'm going to disagree here. Russia is still a significant adversary to the USA. What the conflict in Ukraine has accomplished is to drain Russia of military resources, talent, reputation, and energy. We rightly complain about the cost of our funding and the drain on our stocks of munitions in our support of Ukraine. That's not a one-sided situation. Russia is likewise spending massive amounts of blood & treasure on this conflict. And that drain is weakening their country and its economy in massive ways. That has downstream effects in money that can't be used to advance Russia's agenda.

I understand that the cost to us is high. I don't disagree. But we are using Ukraine as a proxy and putting a huge hurt on one of our largest geopolitical rivals and we're doing it without costing American lives. Beats the hell out of 20 years losing good soldiers in the armpit of the world.

Posted by: Semper Why at July 06, 2025 01:13 PM (nKug+)

161 154 JJ...I don't think the people of Russia or Ukraine want this.

But I know nothing.

This seems to be a war of WWI.

Which will forever haunt us.
Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 01:11 PM (fV+MH)

I should have said, i feel horrible for all truly innocent people, especially the children. But my sentiments about both countries and their history still stand.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2025 01:13 PM (x0n13)

162 I see Bill Kristol keeps digging.

I see it more as flailing. Money on the left is tight with USAID shut down. All the billionaires and nepots have to spend their own money to cause 'direct action' now, the CIA won't do it for them. So Kristol has to play "notice me, senpai" to keep his checks coming.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 06, 2025 01:14 PM (QZThv)

163 159 If Ukraine waits to negotiate, they will lose everything east of the Dnipro, and Odessa to boot. It will be a real rump state.
Posted by: toby928 at July 06, 2025 01:13 PM (jc0TO)

The Buttigieg of a joke!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2025 01:14 PM (x0n13)

164 Time to make the sourdough!

Posted by: muldoon at July 06, 2025 01:15 PM (poXs5)

165 Is Bill Kristol a Ukranian bot?

Posted by: BillB at July 06, 2025 01:15 PM (TQxb9)

166 >>> 165 Is Bill Kristol a Ukranian bot?
Posted by: BillB at July 06, 2025 01:15 PM (TQxb9)

Nah, just a fag with retarded shit.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 06, 2025 01:16 PM (ULPxl)

167 164 Time to make the sourdough!
Posted by: muldoon at July 06, 2025 01:15 PM (poXs5)

Rub flour on Whoopi's thigh creases?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2025 01:16 PM (x0n13)

168 Bill Kristol. He always did strike me as kind of creepy. Odd way of speaking.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 06, 2025 01:17 PM (bss/y)

169 "That's rich, given Americans CAN'T own property in Mexico."

Not entirely true. Foreigners cannot own land within 100 kilometers of the ocean.

There are loopholes. E.G. Bank Trust.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at July 06, 2025 01:19 PM (JVCkA)

170 Russia is still a significant adversary to the USA.

Significant, but I wouldn't call them a tier-one adversary anymore.

As others have pointed out, Russia's economy is 100% dependent on oil. And their weapons systems have not looked great in Ukraine or in use by Islamists. All they have is nukes, if those even still work.

And Beijing is keen to annex a huge chunk of Russia the second the CCP estimates Putin is unable to defend it. (Which is ironically funny, given China itself is facing a population collapse on a scale never before seen).

Posted by: Ian S. at July 06, 2025 01:19 PM (QZThv)

171 "Bill Kristol. He always did strike me as kind of creepy. Odd way of speaking.
Posted by: Aetius451AD "

He just seemed like a sheltered doughy poly nerd.

But all those sheltered doughy poly nerds all seem like creepy never Trumpers now.

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 01:21 PM (fV+MH)

172 So, what the Mullahs up to these days? Taking our foot off their throat hasn't helped them to reform.

Posted by: toby928 at July 06, 2025 01:22 PM (jc0TO)

173 172 So, what the Mullahs up to these days? Taking our foot off their throat hasn't helped them to reform.
Posted by: toby928 at July 06, 2025 01:22 PM (jc0TO)

Ramping up their cyber warfare capabilities which were completely unscathed by the bombing campaign.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2025 01:23 PM (x0n13)

174 170 (Which is ironically funny, given China itself is facing a population collapse on a scale never before seen).
Posted by: Ian S. at July 06, 2025 01:19 PM (QZThv)

Putin will ask Trump to take out the Three Gorges Dam for him!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2025 01:25 PM (x0n13)

175 But all those sheltered doughy poly nerds all seem like creepy never Trumpers now.
Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 01:21 PM (fV+MH)

Speaking of….

172 So, what the Mullahs up to these days?”

Tucker Qatarson was just over there, giving one of them a tongue bath.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2025 01:25 PM (Lhvai)

176 Ramping up their cyber warfare capabilities which were completely unscathed by the bombing campaign.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2025 01:23 PM (x0n13

One of the most amusing little vignettes of recent weeks was that almost all of the “Scottish Independence Now!” websites and posters went completely dark the day that Tehran was bombed and Iran’s net connections collapsed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2025 01:28 PM (Lhvai)

177 The ukraine (what was up with "the"?) has a history of worldwide scamming that would shame a Nigerian prince. Neither side is our ally nor ia either a threat in any way, and to belive so is evidence of a serious deficiency in intelligence.
Peace is always preferable, but if two idiots wish to wrestle in the mud, well...

Posted by: man at July 06, 2025 01:28 PM (tubbA)

178 I know I keep harping on this point but we have ZERO strategic interests in ukraine.

• China isn't as reliable partner in the development of bioweapons as Ukraine.

• many Republican congress critters need the campaign money from MIC - otherwise Democrats WIN†

• Blackrock et al have bought up all the good properties in the US and now need the MIC to clear out the current occupants and build infrastructure in Ukraine for their exploiting.

• The Enemedia needs something to fill in between the bi-weekly hair-on-fire Astroturfed anti-Trump/anti-US hoaxes.

† according to all of the political email spam.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 06, 2025 01:28 PM (a4flb)

179 Back from grocery shopping, less than usual at least

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 01:29 PM (+qU29)

180 Ramping up their cyber warfare capabilities which were completely unscathed by the bombing campaign.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2025 01:23 PM (x0n13)

What is cyber warfare ???

Posted by: MAC V SOG at July 06, 2025 01:29 PM (P4Pk9)

181 172 So, what the Mullahs up to these days? Taking our foot off their throat hasn't helped them to reform.
Posted by: toby928 at July 06, 2025 01:22 PM (jc0TO)

Same thing they've always been up to: the end of us. It just goes on and on. Any notion that we can bring them to a negotiation table or that any negotiation would ever be honored are inexcusable conceits.

Posted by: Ordinary American at July 06, 2025 01:30 PM (WHfpM)

182 † according to all of the political email spam.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 06, 2025 01:28 PM

5 X MATCH!

Posted by: toby928 at July 06, 2025 01:30 PM (jc0TO)

183 Variety
@Variety
James Gunn Says 'Superman' Is About an 'Immigrant That Came From Other Places' and How We've 'Lost' the Value of 'Basic Human Kindness': 'Yes, it’s About Politics'
From variety.com
9:55 AM · Jul 6, 2025

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at July 06, 2025 01:31 PM (9aVck)

184 But my sentiments about both countries and their history still stand.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton a
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The Soviet is no more.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 01:33 PM (pyBzP)

185 The original Superman was a immigrant who fought for truth, justice and the American way

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 01:34 PM (+qU29)

186 Charles XII (Sweden)
Napoleon Bonaparte(France)
Kaiser Wilhelm (Germany)
Adolf Hitler (Germany)
Volodymyr Zelensky (EU / NATO)

Fucking reruns, maan.

Posted by: Bombadil at July 06, 2025 01:35 PM (MX0bI)

187 ukraine has a history of worldwide scamming that would shame a Nigerian prince. Neither side is our ally nor either a threat in any way, and to belive so is evidence of a serious deficiency in intelligence.

When performing ESG studies for a large global investment bank, Ukraine, for years, leads the world for corruption at every level.

One of the problem with Afghanistan's 20 year involvement is that the military forgot how to wage wars, and only developed a door-to-door tactics which was believed necessary to perfect in order to pacify the former US when the coup d' etat by the Left was complete.

I think some of the mission now in Ukraine is develop drone war fighting and counter-measures in a real world environment. That too is supposed to benefit the Left here in the fUS when the Bolshevik revolution is perfected after Trump is gone.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 06, 2025 01:35 PM (a4flb)

188 So, what the Mullahs up to these days? Taking our foot off their throat hasn't helped them to reform.

This is why dictators and tyrants prefer the citizens disarmed.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 06, 2025 01:37 PM (a4flb)

189 BTW, Elon's 3rd party is live. He filed with the FEC.
Posted by: Don Black

"No Borders Party"?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 06, 2025 01:37 PM (/lPRQ)

190 That's rich, given Americans CAN'T own property in Mexico.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 06, 2025 12:33 PM (ynpvh)

Foreigners (not just Yanquis) can’t own property within 50 kilometers of the coast. Other than that they can.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 06, 2025 01:38 PM (2Igpt)

191 >>>
One of the most amusing little vignettes of recent weeks was that almost all of the “Scottish Independence Now!” websites and posters went completely dark the day that Tehran was bombed and Iran’s net connections collapsed.
Posted by: Tom Servo
---------

You're not suggesting, No, That Iran was investing in unscrupulous cyber/psychological warfare to disrupt foreign countries?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 01:39 PM (pyBzP)

192 James Gunn Says 'Superman' Is About an 'Immigrant That Came From Other Places' and How We've 'Lost' the Value of 'Basic Human Kindness': 'Yes, it’s About Politics'

LOL. They've literally learned nothing.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 06, 2025 01:40 PM (QZThv)

193 My position on that war from the beginning - and one that I have seen no reason to change - is that this is a conflict between two organized crime families on the other side of the world, and I see no reason why I should pay for any of it, or cheerlead for either side.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2025 12:12 PM (0DdMG)

There are no good guys in this ancient border war.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 06, 2025 01:40 PM (g8Ew8)

194 Kristol is a troll. I have little doubt he's shockposting as a way to stay relevant or at least visible.

Sad little man.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 06, 2025 01:41 PM (i89tL)

195 You're not suggesting, No, That Iran was investing in unscrupulous cyber/psychological warfare to disrupt foreign countries?

"HEY!!! Only we're allowed to do that!" - the CIA

Posted by: Ian S. at July 06, 2025 01:41 PM (QZThv)

196 You'll catch a lot of shit about this one. A lot - but I doubt anybody has the sand to talk about what other country they're tired of hearing about.

FWIW - I'm also tired of hearing about Ukraine. As I like to point out ... they're still taking volunteers. And contributions, if one is so inclined.

I'm not inclined. Even though they share a lot with Poland - reasonable cultures caught in the wrong place all the time. Always between Russia and the West.

Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 06, 2025 01:42 PM (r2SH2)

197 188 So, what the Mullahs up to these days? Taking our foot off their throat hasn't helped them to reform.

This is why dictators and tyrants prefer the citizens disarmed.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
---------------------

The Relics in Pakistan are still thirsty. India cut their water off. Literally.
Boot, neck application.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 01:42 PM (pyBzP)

198 Anyone thinking Disney will change it's tune is just kidding themselves.

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 01:43 PM (fV+MH)

199 184 But my sentiments about both countries and their history still stand.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton a
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The Soviet is no more.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 01:33 PM (pyBzP)

Russia is still Russia, Tsars, Soviets or whoever.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 06, 2025 01:44 PM (x0n13)

200 Even though they share a lot with Poland - reasonable cultures caught in the wrong place all the time. Always between Russia and the West.
Posted by: Doug Roberts
--------------------------

When they divide up Ukraine, Poland wants it part returned.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 01:44 PM (pyBzP)

201 Russia is still Russia, Tsars, Soviets or whoever.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
---------------------------

Sometimes lament sounds like a broken record.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 01:45 PM (pyBzP)

202 they're still taking volunteers"

Indeed. Strap on a 7.62 bandoleer or STFU. I could care less.

Posted by: man at July 06, 2025 01:45 PM (tubbA)

203 It's always smoke and mirrors with Leftists, they don't change

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 01:46 PM (+qU29)

204 lament"

Lamont, You Dummy!

*oh...lament. sorry *

Posted by: man at July 06, 2025 01:47 PM (tubbA)

205 I have a sort of Unified Theory of Elon that is much too long to include here but I strongly suspect that he has only gone into politics because he sees it as a necessary obstacle to overcome on his way to Mars.

The other obstacle is the problem that human beings are physically, and possibly mentally incapable of surviving a flight to Mars.

The "White Mars" experiment (14 month study of crew at Concordia Station in Antatctica) to study extreme isolation, monotony and environmental stress showed degradation of the hippocampus (memory, learning, emotional regulation) which made them stupid, forgetful and have the emotional stability of an AWFL off her SSRIs and benzos.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 06, 2025 01:47 PM (a4flb)

206 Lamont, You Dummy!

Posted by: man
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Doesn't matter, everyone's picked up their keyboards and gone.
Some are in the corner with lubed up F5 keys.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 01:49 PM (pyBzP)

207 I understand that the cost to us is high. I don't disagree. But we are using Ukraine as a proxy and putting a huge hurt on one of our largest geopolitical rivals and we're doing it without costing American lives. Beats the hell out of 20 years losing good soldiers in the armpit of the world.
Posted by: Semper Why at July 06, 2025 01:13 PM (nKug+)

I'm tired of giving our money to thugs fighting over their criminal territories.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 06, 2025 01:49 PM (g8Ew8)

208 The Lankford video is a big trick (although I don’t dispute that Lankford is an idiot)
That video is from 2024, made when Biden was still President (nominally) and Lankford was still sore about the failure of his bill that would have allowed 5,000 illegals to cross the border every day.
Posted by: Tom Servo

We let the first 5,000 in then we start counting!

That One?

But how do we know when the first 5,000 through if we don't start counting until then?

Yeah, that one !

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 06, 2025 01:50 PM (/lPRQ)

209 As others have pointed out, Russia's economy is 100% dependent on oil. And their weapons systems have not looked great in Ukraine or in use by Islamists. All they have is nukes, if those even still work.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 06, 2025 01:19 PM (QZThv)

You're not wrong. Russia has some significant business selling weapons to various countries, but the majority of it is exporting oil & natural gas. The fact that the weapons systems have shown themselves to be turd-rate systems is in a large part due to the performance we saw in Ukraine. Until we saw them in action, they weren't our level but they were considered to be worrisome in the quantities we expected. Now... well, not so much. Yet another benefit to having a proxy fight for you.

As for the nukes: I would treat them seriously until we see evidence that we should not. And all of the evidence I've seen so far is that their nuclear forces is one thing the Russians take very seriously.

Posted by: Semper Why at July 06, 2025 01:51 PM (nKug+)

210 James Gunn Says 'Superman' Is About an 'Immigrant That Came From Other Places' and How We've 'Lost' the Value of 'Basic Human Kindness': 'Yes, it’s About Politics'

Superman wasn't an entitlements sponge or come here to game the social safety-net, or to come daisy chain immigrate his entire tribe.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 06, 2025 01:51 PM (a4flb)

211 You would have to inundate Mars with hundreds of rockets to deliver payloads capable of building a livable colony.

And even then it would be on the edge of survivability.

The Sun's radiation and the toxicity of the soil, not to mention the too low gravity for health.

The one year window for return.

How could it be possible?

Posted by: eleven at July 06, 2025 01:52 PM (fV+MH)

212 Some are in the corner with lubed up F5 keys"

Kinky!

Posted by: man at July 06, 2025 01:53 PM (tubbA)

213
NATO should have been wrapped up when the Soviet Union went out of existence. The godless Bolshevik threat was its sole justification. Now we and Western Europe have nothing in common.

Before we get rid of NATO, can we ship them all our single AWFLs, childless retired couples from blue states, recent humanities grads and marketing fags? We'll take their entrepreneurs in trade.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 06, 2025 01:53 PM (/HVsR)

214 "Russia is still a significant adversary to the USA."

More so than China?

Posted by: Richard Cranium at July 06, 2025 01:54 PM (YcNk6)

215 "Russia is still a significant adversary to the USA."

Russia isn't even on the RADAR when one considers the Enemy Within that is torching America.

Our own treacherous Congress is Hell-bent on bankrupting the country and plunging us into a Zimbabwe economy.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 06, 2025 01:56 PM (a4flb)

216 If those folks identify as Russians, I don't see how we could possibly tell them otherwise. That would be bigoted, right?

Posted by: rechill at July 06, 2025 01:56 PM (4PBYb)

217 You would have to inundate Mars with hundreds of rockets to deliver payloads capable of building a livable colony.

We are still struggling to reliably move a cargo ship full of EVs across the ocean without it catching fire and sinking.

And we have been doing oceanic shipping for millennia.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 06, 2025 01:58 PM (a4flb)

218 Russia is a strange country

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 01:58 PM (+qU29)

219 Keep saying Ukraine has been in and out of Russian dominant and will be again

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 01:59 PM (+qU29)

220 I agree, CBD.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 06, 2025 01:59 PM (NFX2v)

221 Russia is still a significant adversary to the USA. What the conflict in Ukraine has accomplished is to drain Russia of military resources,

==
if anything, this conflict forced Russia to reshaped and advanced their military. they forced Iran to build drone factories in Russia, they updated their military doctrine to align with modern times. real battlefield experience is invaluable, now they are more lethal than they were 3 years ago, thanks to stupid people who thought that pitting Ukraine agains Russia was a win-win. As far as adversary, they were less so 3 years ago.

Posted by: runner at July 06, 2025 02:00 PM (g47mK)

222 1ST WORLD NOOD

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 02:01 PM (+qU29)

223 Zelenskyy's trip to the White House which ended in him being escorted off the premises had the tone set even before he set foot in the foyer. Trump met him at the entrance and is documented saying, "Nice of you to get dressed up." (referring to his track suit). Entertaining, but, also, a clue as to how things would go.

Zelenskyy came to the White House via a stop over in Ireland. And, various EU diplomats met him there to prep him for the White House visit. I'm sure the White House was aware.

A couple weeks later, the UK and France come out with that "we will serve as peace keeping forces only if the US serves as our 'insurance policy' should something go wrong." IOW, something was guaranteed to go wrong with the EU's help forcing the US into the mix. Opening up the US taxpayer coffers, that they covet.

Posted by: Orson at July 06, 2025 02:02 PM (dIske)

224 I could argue with almost every point in the post but I'm not in the mood to do that on a Sunday.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 06, 2025 02:02 PM (xcxpd)

225 China is more of an adversary, because of the economic ties, and their successful penetration of the USA on every level, including government. Not reciprocated by us.

Posted by: runner at July 06, 2025 02:03 PM (g47mK)

226 The first couple of Mars missions are going to be one way missions, and once it dawns on people they are throwing money down a rat hole, Mars Fever will be broken.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 06, 2025 02:03 PM (XV/Pl)

227 The current leader who best epitomizes the spirit of the Declaration of Independence is Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

How long has it been, Mr. Kristol, since presidential elections have been indefinitely postponed? Sounds to me like they need a few "No Kings" rallies in Ukraine.

Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at July 06, 2025 02:04 PM (rF2iL)

228 Jerusalem Post/Israel News/Defense News
Actions, not words: The three European countries that came to Israel's aid after Oct. 7 - analysis
Editor's Notes: With the exception of the United States, every Western ally refused to sell Israel ammunition. Only three unexpected partners filled the gap: Hungary, Serbia, and the Czech Republic. July 3, 2025

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 06, 2025 02:07 PM (NFX2v)

229 Jesus CBD is ignorant. The Ukrainian constitution says no elections during time of war. The Ukrainians expect the US to assist with their defense because we agreed to do so in exchange for them giving up their nukes. The opening Russian offensive was an attack directly on Kiev, which is NOT considered a "Russian part" -- the goal was to decapitate the government and have the entire nation surrender.

But, whatever. Keep slobbering over the KGB thug's knob and give the world yet another example of the US not living up to our treaty obligations. I'm sure that won't bite us in the ass again.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 06, 2025 02:07 PM (mo/j9)

230 But why does NATO keep expanding in the first place?

Because Putin keeps threatening his neighbors. Finland didn't join as a lark -- they did so immediately after Putin and his mouthpieces started repeating the same lies about Finland that they have about the Ukraine.

Because NATO is about the Fabian dream of a one-world government, and you can't have *that* without a one-world STANDING ARMY.

That may be the dumbest take in the history of dumb takes.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 06, 2025 02:11 PM (mo/j9)

231 CBD you are naive. Putin is pan-Slavish at heart. He would like to re-unite all the Slavic speaking nations under the protection of big brother Russia and the Baltic states too, just because, ice free winter ports, baby.

Historically, there is no love lost between Poles and Ukes, but the Poles have been strong supporters of Ukraine (despite some selfish attempts by Ukraine to take advantage of that. They look at themselves as second on Putin's menu, if Putin could strike a deal with Merz to split Poland in half. I only partly jest, but the cupidity of Germans knows no bounds.

Putin's ego exceeds that of Trump's, but he has brought nothing but death and isolation to Russia. He's now dependent on China, a resource-hungry nation and predatory state. China now faces an eviscerated military defending a veritable feast of
resources on a huge, 2,600 mile border.

Putin conquering Ukraine would ultimately be a disaster for Russia. He has control of the Russian speaking parts and is likely to keep them in negotiations. He doesn't want to negotiate; he wants total conquest. WTF he's expended so much blood and treasure to get only slivers of Ukraine.He's locked in a sunk-cost dilemma.

Posted by: Kraki at July 06, 2025 02:39 PM (cG6Xc)

232 229, 230

Rob Crawford, exactly right.

Posted by: Kraki at July 06, 2025 02:42 PM (cG6Xc)

233 Keep slobbering over the KGB thug's knob and give the world yet another example of the US not living up to our treaty obligations. I'm sure that won't bite us in the ass again.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 06, 2025 02:07 PM

Treaty?

Posted by: toby928 at July 06, 2025 02:45 PM (jc0TO)

234 We gave our word that we would defend Ukraine. Budapest Morandum, 1994.

I kinda think that means something.

Or not.

Holodomor. Some say it was worse than the Holocaust. I don't know about all that.

They haven't forgotten it and neither should you.

Posted by: YosemiteSatchmo at July 06, 2025 02:54 PM (aCkHf)

235 We gave our word that we would defend Ukraine. Budapest Morandum, 1994.

I was not, get this, consulted about that. Bill Clinton made some promises. I don't feel any urge to back it up, or send my son to back it up, or even my coin to back it up.

Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 06, 2025 03:23 PM (r2SH2)

236 Not about to read the entire thread which starts off with a lot of "I was here first posts". So I won't know if what I'm writing has been covered.

"Putin wants back the Russian parts". Ever of heard of The Holodomor? Within their grandparents lifetimes, the Communists murdered up to five million Ukrainians and shipped in ethnic Russians, (most of whom didn't want to come). That's the 'Russian' parts.

OTOH Ukraine is corrupt, almost as corrupt as the USA. And we're pissing our militaries lifeblood away into that black hole.

Both leaders of the two nations involved don't want peace, equally. Putin at least is paying his own way, I think it's a bad investment, but that's on him.

If the peace could have been achieved by now, Trump would have done it. He's the greatest peace maker I've seen in my lifetime. If he thinks it's time for the USA to walk away from the table, I trust his judgement.

We, as a nation, likely have more direct and vital to our real interests threats a coming.

Have done with Ukraine.

Posted by: John the River at July 06, 2025 03:44 PM (Li1E5)

237 In my trade agreement with Ukraine we'll bargain one armament for every one fertile Ukrainian hottie.

Hot fertile women for guns.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at July 06, 2025 03:44 PM (QnXVi)

238 Americans don't know western Ukraine welcomed the Waffen SS. Americans don't know the pro-Nazi sentiment still lives in Ukraine.

But Russians do know. And Russians really really don't like Nazis.

Posted by: Deplorable Dave at July 06, 2025 04:26 PM (4JGHb)

239 Memories of the Holodomor are real in Ukraine, as are memories of Russians trying to suppress Ukrainian language and culture.
In truth there is an affinity between Russia and Ukraine, but Putin insists on raping Ukraine, when he could have seduced them.
It's sad, pathetic, and unnecessary; but Ukrainians (and others, because I am not Ukrainian) remember how brutal Russians are.
CBD you are a Russkii sock puppet to ignore these facts.

Posted by: Kraki at July 06, 2025 04:26 PM (cG6Xc)

240 238 Yep, they did. After being brutalized by Russians in the Holodomor the Ukes welcomed the Nazis. And they were rejected, because they were sub-human Slavs.
Because of their racist ideology the Nazis rejected a huge potential ally.
The pro-Nazi sentiment was temporary. They were incredulous that the Nazis were worse than Russians.
Waffen SS iconography persists in Ukraine and Russia. it is not ideological. Nazis looked down on all Slavs as subhuman, It's adoption is based on the reputation for brutality, independent of ideology.

Posted by: Kraki at July 06, 2025 04:41 PM (cG6Xc)

241 Our hegemonic Deep State strted the Ukraine war.

Why? I suspect it was at the urging of the EU/NATO/WEF/IMF/Soros/Davos crowd. I'd be curious to see the Venn diagram of the membership lists of all of those.

But non-elite America has no good reason to shed blood or expend treasure there.

This captures my feelings well enough:

28 My position on that war from the beginning - and one that I have seen no reason to change - is that this is a conflict between two organized crime families on the other side of the world, and I see no reason why I should pay for any of it, or cheerlead for either side.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 06, 2025 12:12 PM (0DdMG)

Posted by: ruralcounsel at July 06, 2025 06:28 PM (u9OdC)

242 The problem is going to be what Putin thinks of things when they're all over.
No amount of fuming over the costs of war to Russia, to global connections, history of whatchamacallit, nothing matters but what Putin thinks and nobody outside his head has the least influence on what he thinks.
Been said he's trying to restore the glories of Soviet Russia, and is close to insane about it. Or the Russian Empire, ditto.
Russia has baked into its DNA the fear of invasion and it lacks borders. There are lines on maps but they don't stop armies. The other side of the line is a potential enemy, or an easy path for the next country over to pass through o the way to invade. Might be easier to sell to the Russians, and to Putin, that the only defensive strategy is to keep invading your neighbors.
Don't need any input from all-knowing students of Clausewitz or Sun Tzu. It's what Putin thinks.
And if he thinks, on the net, that he won, he'll do it again.
What would Putin consider? Land taken. Natural resources therein. Transportation hubs. ) I recall somebody saying Bastogne had something like 4000 people, but it was the junction of seven roads.) Handy borders with the next victim.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at July 06, 2025 06:49 PM (dkH95)

243 The Ukraine is well known for its corruption - just look at the Hunter Biden situation. A great deal of the Western money throw into that cesspool is laundered to Globalists - it's probably their biggest ATM. That's why US lawmakers are so intent on sending it - they get kickbacks. Their constituents don't care about the Ukraine.

It's funny - Putin is anti-Globalist, so he's really an ally of Trump. Did you notice Trump (also anti-Globalist) has withheld arms to Ukraine, with various excuses? At the same time, Putin is withholding anti-air defense systems from Iran, which he is supposedly allied with. Somehow nobody notices this.

Z has no interest in peace. Trump gave him a chance, but Z's incentives are to keep it going, so Trump is feeding him to Putin, and Putin is returning the favor.

Posted by: MrExcitement at July 06, 2025 08:06 PM (hOOi9)

244 Oh, and the Azov battalion (Ukrainian) is literally Nazis. Funny, how few people list Russia's stated goals, and try to refute them. One goal is "de-Nazification" - in other words crushing the Azov battalion. They don't want to talk about that, because people don't like Nazis - that helps the Russian narrative, and the corporate media is run by Globalists (Nazis). So the virtue signalers with their Ukrainian flags are literally supporting Nazis.

The disputed areas have all voted overwhelmingly to be annexed by Russia. They are overwhelmingly ethnic Russian, and Ukraine was killing them by the thousands. Supporting Ukraine isn't supporting "freedom" and "democracy" - it's supporting persecution and genocide.

Posted by: MrExcitement at July 06, 2025 08:13 PM (hOOi9)

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