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House Passes "Big Beautiful Bill" on Razor-Thin Majority
House passes "One Big Beautiful Bill Act," now headed to the SenateIn theory, they can now make this bill stronger through reconciliation, where only a simple majority is needed in the Senate to pass spending/taxing changes to a bill. But does anyone believe the left-leaning Bush "Republicans" that dominate the Senate Republican Caucus will actually do that?
Quick Hit: In a razor-thin 215-214 vote, House Republicans passed President Trump's sweeping "One Big Beautiful Bill Act," which delivers on his top legislative priorities. Speaker Mike Johnson hailed the passage as a defining moment for the GOP and a pivotal step in shaping Trump's second term. Key Details: The bill extends Trump's 2017 tax cuts, slashes green energy subsidies, and imposes stricter Medicaid work requirements. Only two Republicans -- Reps. Thomas Massie and Warren Davidson -- opposed the bill; one GOP member voted "present." The Senate is expected to push changes, sparking a battle that could stretch into the summer as the debt ceiling deadline looms. Diving Deeper: House Republicans scored a major legislative win early Thursday morning, passing President Trump's "One Big Beautiful Bill Act" by a single vote -- a sprawling package that cements his second-term policy agenda and signals a renewed GOP offensive on spending, immigration, and tax reform. In a 215-214 vote, Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) muscled the bill through his slim majority, rallying a deeply divided conference behind a package that many believe could define the next chapter of the Trump era. The vote followed days of tense negotiations, last-minute revisions, and a rare lobbying push by President Trump himself, who met with holdouts just hours before the final vote. ... The bill is a policy juggernaut. It extends Trump's 2017 tax cuts, rolls back Biden-era green energy incentives, boosts defense and border security funding, and imposes work requirements on Medicaid -- a provision that, according to budget analysts, could result in millions losing government-subsidized health insurance. It also raises the debt ceiling by $4 trillion, giving Republicans room to maneuver without another fiscal standoff -- at least for now. Two Republicans, Reps. Thomas Massie (Ky.) and Warren Davidson (Ohio), opposed the bill on principle, with House Freedom Caucus Chair Andy Harris (R-Md.) voting "present." Their concerns focused on spending levels and executive power -- issues that could be addressed through a wave of executive orders Trump is expected to issue in the coming weeks. Centrist Republicans also extracted concessions. After a high-stakes back-and-forth over the state and local tax (SALT) deduction cap, members from high-tax states like New York and California reached a compromise to raise the deduction limit to $40,000 for individuals making $500,000 or less -- far short of their initial demands but enough to secure their votes. While House passage is a political win for Trump and Johnson, the bill's future in the Senate is less certain. Senate Republicans, led by Majority Leader John Thune, are already signaling that changes are coming -- particularly on Medicaid reforms and tax provisions. Any significant revisions will require the House to reconsider the bill, setting up a fierce intra-party tug-of-war in the coming weeks.
House Republicans Press Conference https://t.co/gIhmbUG81E
— House Republicans (@HouseGOP) May 22, 2025
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Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:14 PM (bWcp9)
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Top 10
Posted by: Crusader at May 22, 2025 01:15 PM (TN0g+)
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th
Posted by: Polka will never die at May 22, 2025 01:16 PM (5xvZ1)
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rd
Posted by: Polka will never die at May 22, 2025 01:17 PM (5xvZ1)
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Are SS tax cuts in it or not?
Posted by: Ordinary American at May 22, 2025 01:17 PM (vsTPo)
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Will call the others
Posted by: Polka will never die at May 22, 2025 01:17 PM (5xvZ1)
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Let's see what the Senate does. I trust those people about as far as I can throw them.
Then, on to the recession bills to pass the DOGE findings.
Then, on to the recession bills to pass the DOGE findings.
Posted by: Ann at May 22, 2025 01:18 PM (4neFu)
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Woffer theen?
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at May 22, 2025 01:19 PM (8YesW)
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Rand Paul said a while back that this bill is DOA in the Senate.. We shall see....
Posted by: It's me donna at May 22, 2025 01:19 PM (VE6XX)
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In theory, they can now make this bill stronger through reconciliation, where only a simple majority is needed in the Senate to pass spending/taxing changes to a bill.
I was under the impression that the idea was to pass this bill as-is and then get further spending cuts via rescission... which may, or may not, actually happen.
I was under the impression that the idea was to pass this bill as-is and then get further spending cuts via rescission... which may, or may not, actually happen.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:19 PM (ExV1e)
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But does anyone believe the left-leaning Bush "Republicans" that dominate the Senate Republican Caucus will actually do that?
One can hope.
Or perhaps whisper in their ears...Primary!
Or pull out the pictures of said member and the (insert person/thing here).
One can hope.
Or perhaps whisper in their ears...Primary!
Or pull out the pictures of said member and the (insert person/thing here).
Posted by: Diogenes at May 22, 2025 01:19 PM (W/lyH)
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The senate has been kind of quiet for a bit, eh?
Posted by: Aetius451AD workphone at May 22, 2025 01:19 PM (vcOIk)
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"But does anyone believe the left-leaning Bush "Republicans" that dominate the Senate Republican Caucus will actually do that?"
I'm on the fence.
I'm on the fence.
Posted by: Guy who will believe anything at May 22, 2025 01:19 PM (vFG9F)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 22, 2025 01:19 PM (QnmlO)
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Frankly, I'm not a fan of increased defense spending. The woke generals are still there, and the procurement process is as corrupt as all get out.
I'd revisit the issue once Hegseth cleans the stables.
I'd revisit the issue once Hegseth cleans the stables.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 22, 2025 01:19 PM (aS92P)
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Other than Schumer opening his retarded gob.
Posted by: Aetius451AD workphone at May 22, 2025 01:20 PM (vcOIk)
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Collins, Lisa the Murk and Mitch will oppose.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 22, 2025 01:19 PM (QnmlO)
And Rand Paul
Collins, Lisa the Murk and Mitch will oppose.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 22, 2025 01:19 PM (QnmlO)
And Rand Paul
Posted by: It's me donna at May 22, 2025 01:20 PM (VE6XX)
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Are SS tax cuts in it or not?
Posted by: Ordinary American at May 22, 2025 01:17 PM (vsTPo)
I have seen it reported that they are not as any changes related to SS are required, by law, to be in a separate bill.
Posted by: Ordinary American at May 22, 2025 01:17 PM (vsTPo)
I have seen it reported that they are not as any changes related to SS are required, by law, to be in a separate bill.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:20 PM (ExV1e)
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I have some sympathy with the Massey types. I have none with the effing SALT ones. We should tax state taxes additionally, as if it were extra income.
Posted by: Eeyore at May 22, 2025 01:20 PM (od0dV)
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Are SS tax cuts in it or not?
Posted by: Ordinary American at May 22, 2025 01:17 PM (vsTPo)
Yes, but not much. "There would be an enhanced deduction, of $4,000, for older adults of certain income levels, to help defray taxes on Social Security income."
This explains why no tax on SS could not be included. The Senate has rules.
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Posted by: Ordinary American at May 22, 2025 01:17 PM (vsTPo)
Yes, but not much. "There would be an enhanced deduction, of $4,000, for older adults of certain income levels, to help defray taxes on Social Security income."
This explains why no tax on SS could not be included. The Senate has rules.
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https://x.com/MilaLovesJoe/
status/1923458321937568240
Posted by: Ann at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (4neFu)
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Are SS tax cuts in it or not?
Posted by: Ordinary American at May 22, 2025 01:17 PM (vsTPo)
Not this bill. It's now a standalone bill in the House.
Posted by: Ordinary American at May 22, 2025 01:17 PM (vsTPo)
Not this bill. It's now a standalone bill in the House.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (ymLQA)
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In theory, they can now make this bill stronger through reconciliation, where only a simple majority is needed in the Senate to pass spending/taxing changes to a bill.
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Rule by panic can cut both ways.
If the Senate strips out something like the SALT increase and sends it back to the House, will the handful of Republicans from blue states who fought for the increase risk a shutdown (the worst thing ever) over it?
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Rule by panic can cut both ways.
If the Senate strips out something like the SALT increase and sends it back to the House, will the handful of Republicans from blue states who fought for the increase risk a shutdown (the worst thing ever) over it?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (GBKbO)
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Razor-Thin Majority
—Ace
215-214.
It was a tie! Why won't this button work? *hand keeps passing thru console*
—Ace
215-214.
It was a tie! Why won't this button work? *hand keeps passing thru console*
Posted by: Zombie Gerry Connelly at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (98iWb)
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It's almost impossible for me to determine if this is a "big beautiful bill" like Trump wanted, or its really Stacy Abrams and JB Pritzker 69-ing after an especially long gorging session at Denny's All-You-Can-Eat.
Some parts of the bill look great. Some parts look like steaming dogshit. I'm not sure if this overall moves the ball forward or not.
Some parts of the bill look great. Some parts look like steaming dogshit. I'm not sure if this overall moves the ball forward or not.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (iFTx/)
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Is the word bill a synonym for steaming pile of shit?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (7YTFo)
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Header gone.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 01:22 PM (oURrP)
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It also raises the debt ceiling by $4 trillion
I'd have voted against this. At some point you've just got to say no to the endless debt ceiling raises and actually cut.
I'd have voted against this. At some point you've just got to say no to the endless debt ceiling raises and actually cut.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 22, 2025 01:22 PM (UGyV5)
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 22, 2025 01:22 PM (oUlN5)
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Rand Paul said a while back that this bill is DOA in the Senate.. We shall see....
Posted by: It's me donna at May 22, 2025 01:19 PM (VE6XX)
Then shut everything down and watch the Senate Republicans piss themselves. Flood their phone lines asking them why they're gonna pass a massive tax increase. Pick a candidate to primary them... now... and start the campaign to remove them. Make them fear, every second, for their position.
Posted by: It's me donna at May 22, 2025 01:19 PM (VE6XX)
Then shut everything down and watch the Senate Republicans piss themselves. Flood their phone lines asking them why they're gonna pass a massive tax increase. Pick a candidate to primary them... now... and start the campaign to remove them. Make them fear, every second, for their position.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:22 PM (ExV1e)
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I saw Retarded Gobs open for The Village People way back in '82.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at May 22, 2025 01:22 PM (6YdsJ)
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Two Republicans, Reps. Thomas Massie (Ky.) and Warren Davidson (Ohio), opposed the bill on principle, with House Freedom Caucus Chair Andy Harris (R-Md.) voting "present." Their concerns focused on spending levels and executive power -- issues that could be addressed through a wave of executive orders Trump is expected to issue in the coming weeks.
I've been watching the back and forth on this. The bill is horrible, but probably the best we can get. The two holdouts are correct that the bill is horrible, but perhaps it can be fixed later (yeah, sure). Regardless, our only real choice is to accept it and hope that the later rescissions actually happen. No, I'm not confident they will.
I've been watching the back and forth on this. The bill is horrible, but probably the best we can get. The two holdouts are correct that the bill is horrible, but perhaps it can be fixed later (yeah, sure). Regardless, our only real choice is to accept it and hope that the later rescissions actually happen. No, I'm not confident they will.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 22, 2025 01:22 PM (s8j++)
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- Are NPR and PBS still funded?
- Are the various USAID grift programs still funded via the State Dept?
- Are the various USAID grift programs still funded via the State Dept?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:23 PM (l3YAf)
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Do what you need to do to keep Congress at the mid-terms.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 01:23 PM (sX1BW)
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Then shut everything down and watch the Senate Republicans piss themselves. Flood their phone lines asking them why they're gonna pass a massive tax increase. Pick a candidate to primary them... now... and start the campaign to remove them. Make them fear, every second, for their position.
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Primary Lankford.
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Primary Lankford.
Posted by: Crusader at May 22, 2025 01:23 PM (TN0g+)
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27 It also raises the debt ceiling by $4 trillion
I'd have voted against this. At some point you've just got to say no to the endless debt ceiling raises and actually cut.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
Yep.
I'd have voted against this. At some point you've just got to say no to the endless debt ceiling raises and actually cut.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
Yep.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 22, 2025 01:23 PM (7IwLI)
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23 Razor-Thin Majority
—Ace
215-214.
It was a tie! Why won't this button work? *hand keeps passing thru console*
Posted by: Zombie Gerry Connelly at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (98iWb)
He will only be voting in elections from now on.
—Ace
215-214.
It was a tie! Why won't this button work? *hand keeps passing thru console*
Posted by: Zombie Gerry Connelly at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (98iWb)
He will only be voting in elections from now on.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 22, 2025 01:23 PM (W/lyH)
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23 Razor-Thin Majority
—Ace
215-214.
It was a tie! Why won't this button work? *hand keeps passing thru console*
Posted by: Zombie Gerry Connelly at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (98iWb)
Could be worse, bro.
—Ace
215-214.
It was a tie! Why won't this button work? *hand keeps passing thru console*
Posted by: Zombie Gerry Connelly at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (98iWb)
Could be worse, bro.
Posted by: PM James Callaghan at May 22, 2025 01:23 PM (bWcp9)
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The bill gives working parents an extra $500 per kid. This lasts for a few years.
Then the bill Gives rich liberals in NY and extra $30k in salt deductions which will translate to $6-7K tax savings. This is permanent.
Thats your GOP folks.
Then the bill Gives rich liberals in NY and extra $30k in salt deductions which will translate to $6-7K tax savings. This is permanent.
Thats your GOP folks.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:23 PM (7YTFo)
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- Is Planned Parenthood still funded.
- Has all of the Inflation Reduction Act spending been nixed?
- Has all of the Inflation Reduction Act spending been nixed?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:24 PM (l3YAf)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 01:24 PM (xcxpd)
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Without those brave budget cuts approved by stalwart conservative Republicans, the $4 trillion increase in the debt limit would have been $4.0001 trillion.
Posted by: Oglebay at May 22, 2025 01:24 PM (2ap+5)
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Mitch can be bought and will support it as will Collins. Murk is a Dem and Rand an iconoclast so they're a no. It will eventually pass.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 22, 2025 01:24 PM (Dh9UM)
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It was a tie! Why won't this button work? *hand keeps passing thru console*
Posted by: Zombie Gerry Connelly at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (98iWb)
Wow, I'd forgotten that.
Posted by: Zombie Gerry Connelly at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (98iWb)
Wow, I'd forgotten that.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 22, 2025 01:24 PM (s8j++)
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But does anyone believe the left-leaning Bush "Republicans" that dominate the Senate Republican Caucus will actually do that?
We'll decide after we carefully consider your contributions to our campaigns vs. our desires to still be invited to the 'right' cocktail parties.
We'll decide after we carefully consider your contributions to our campaigns vs. our desires to still be invited to the 'right' cocktail parties.
Posted by: Bush Republicans in the Senate at May 22, 2025 01:24 PM (0sNs1)
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24 It's almost impossible for me to determine if this is a "big beautiful bill" like Trump wanted, or its really Stacy Abrams and JB Pritzker 69-ing after an especially long gorging session at Denny's All-You-Can-Eat.
Some parts of the bill look great. Some parts look like steaming dogshit. I'm not sure if this overall moves the ball forward or not.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (iFTx/)
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It's a terrible, awful bill. It's better than a CR, and it opens up the possibility of rescission bills later.
This is me cheering it on:
https://is.gd/23gKgm
Some parts of the bill look great. Some parts look like steaming dogshit. I'm not sure if this overall moves the ball forward or not.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (iFTx/)
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It's a terrible, awful bill. It's better than a CR, and it opens up the possibility of rescission bills later.
This is me cheering it on:
https://is.gd/23gKgm
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 01:24 PM (GBKbO)
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If the Senate strips out something like the SALT increase and sends it back to the House, will the handful of Republicans from blue states who fought for the increase risk a shutdown (the worst thing ever) over it?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (GBKbO)
And your federal district court gets a shutdown, and your federal district court gets a shutdown, and your federal district court gets a shutdown...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 01:21 PM (GBKbO)
And your federal district court gets a shutdown, and your federal district court gets a shutdown, and your federal district court gets a shutdown...
Posted by: Polka will never die at May 22, 2025 01:24 PM (5xvZ1)
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35 27 It also raises the debt ceiling by $4 trillion
I'd have voted against this. At some point you've just got to say no to the endless debt ceiling raises and actually cut.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
Yep.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 22, 2025 01:23 PM (7IwLI)
Or just dispense with the bullshit of having a debt ceiling.
I'd have voted against this. At some point you've just got to say no to the endless debt ceiling raises and actually cut.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
Yep.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 22, 2025 01:23 PM (7IwLI)
Or just dispense with the bullshit of having a debt ceiling.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (bWcp9)
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33 Do what you need to do to keep Congress at the mid-terms.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 01:23 PM (sX1BW
Totally.
If Dems win they may write spending bills that increase the debt by trillions and trillions. Can’t have that.
Go team red!!
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 01:23 PM (sX1BW
Totally.
If Dems win they may write spending bills that increase the debt by trillions and trillions. Can’t have that.
Go team red!!
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (7YTFo)
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I take it as a matter of faith that nothing "big" produced by government can also be "beautiful."
Posted by: Ordinary American at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (vsTPo)
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (sX1BW)
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Elon Musk is disgusted, and is leaving DOGE.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (uWKK8)
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Early enough in the thread to ask this about the switch in ads that now accompany these posts:
Any reason why we once had the mostly hot wives of billionaires who didn't want us watching these videos, and now we're being treated to mostly Waffle House 5's wanting to sell us e.d. cures?
Any reason why we once had the mostly hot wives of billionaires who didn't want us watching these videos, and now we're being treated to mostly Waffle House 5's wanting to sell us e.d. cures?
Posted by: Crusader at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (TN0g+)
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Fucking Massey. Again with his bullshit. What was his excuse for voting with demoncrats this time? It doesn't fund his Midol?
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (2J/Lj)
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38 The bill gives working parents an extra $500 per kid. This lasts for a few years.
Then the bill Gives rich liberals in NY and extra $30k in salt deductions which will translate to $6-7K tax savings. This is permanent.
Thats your GOP folks.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:23 PM (7YTFo)
“Yeah, but maybe now people in NY will like us!!!”
Then the bill Gives rich liberals in NY and extra $30k in salt deductions which will translate to $6-7K tax savings. This is permanent.
Thats your GOP folks.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:23 PM (7YTFo)
“Yeah, but maybe now people in NY will like us!!!”
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (bWcp9)
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Regardless, our only real choice is to accept it and hope that the later rescissions actually happen. No, I'm not confident they will.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 22, 2025 01:22 PM (s8j++)
Rescissions can be useful even if they don't get enacted. Every one of them is a bill that members of Congress would have to defend their vote on. Why are we spending all this money on x? Why are we spending all this money on y? It's all lost in the sauce when it's a giant, last second CR but when it's a standalone bill... no excuses.
Time for some motherfuckers to lose their jobs.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 22, 2025 01:22 PM (s8j++)
Rescissions can be useful even if they don't get enacted. Every one of them is a bill that members of Congress would have to defend their vote on. Why are we spending all this money on x? Why are we spending all this money on y? It's all lost in the sauce when it's a giant, last second CR but when it's a standalone bill... no excuses.
Time for some motherfuckers to lose their jobs.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (ExV1e)
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I'd have voted against this. At some point you've just got to say no to the endless debt ceiling raises and actually cut.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 22, 2025 01:22 PM (UGyV5)
Then Ace would excoriate you in his commentary, call you a drama queen and say his sick of your type, as he does with a frequently with Massey and Chip Roy.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 22, 2025 01:22 PM (UGyV5)
Then Ace would excoriate you in his commentary, call you a drama queen and say his sick of your type, as he does with a frequently with Massey and Chip Roy.
Posted by: Hillshire Farms Remember. at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (qFqzC)
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We should tax state taxes additionally, as if it were extra income.
Posted by: Eeyore at May 22, 2025 01:20 PM (od0dV)
What?
Posted by: Eeyore at May 22, 2025 01:20 PM (od0dV)
What?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (l3YAf)
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I hope the late Raul Grijalva was allowed to get a quick glimpse of the final vote pronouncement by the Speaker, adding a little more torment to his current situation.
Thanks for vacating your seat when you did, Raul!
Thanks for vacating your seat when you did, Raul!
Posted by: Curly Shuffle at May 22, 2025 01:27 PM (Vyll1)
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Primary Lankford.
Posted by: Crusader at May 22, 2025 01:23 PM (TN0g+)
I would argue that we should primary all of them, every time.
Posted by: Crusader at May 22, 2025 01:23 PM (TN0g+)
I would argue that we should primary all of them, every time.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:27 PM (ExV1e)
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We won’t bother reducing the size of government. Why? We will simply run the bloated, massive bureaucracies BETTER!!!
Posted by: Republicans and Right wing parties worldwide at May 22, 2025 01:28 PM (bWcp9)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 22, 2025 01:28 PM (VoAdT)
Posted by: James Dalton at May 22, 2025 01:28 PM (s8j++)
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Fucking Massey. Again with his bullshit. What was his excuse for voting with demoncrats this time?
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Can I ask, what difference does it make that he did? It sill passed. He's a grandstander, but at least one who supports things most of us want - like real spending cuts. Couldn't the GOP afford to let him vote no on this?
Does his vote really matter?
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Can I ask, what difference does it make that he did? It sill passed. He's a grandstander, but at least one who supports things most of us want - like real spending cuts. Couldn't the GOP afford to let him vote no on this?
Does his vote really matter?
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 01:28 PM (sX1BW)
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You cannot primary me because Ken Paxton WILL lose the next election AND I vote for the Trump agenda 99% of the time!!!!!!
Posted by: John Cornyn at May 22, 2025 01:29 PM (bWcp9)
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This is me cheering it on:
https://is.gd/23gKgm
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Your enthusiasm is underwhelming
https://is.gd/23gKgm
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Your enthusiasm is underwhelming
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 22, 2025 01:29 PM (4ahw+)
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57 We should tax state taxes additionally, as if it were extra income.
Posted by: Eeyore at May 22, 2025 01:20 PM (od0dV)
What?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (l3YAf)
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Anyone voting for high-tax pols should have to pay double.
Posted by: Eeyore at May 22, 2025 01:20 PM (od0dV)
What?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (l3YAf)
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Anyone voting for high-tax pols should have to pay double.
Posted by: Eeyore at May 22, 2025 01:29 PM (od0dV)
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51 Elon Musk is disgusted, and is leaving DOGE.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (uWKK
I haven't heard that but if true totally understandable. DOGE was the most significant attempt at government reform in modern history, and we should have been behind it like gangbusters. It seems we're letting it die on the vine, to our everlasting shame.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (uWKK
I haven't heard that but if true totally understandable. DOGE was the most significant attempt at government reform in modern history, and we should have been behind it like gangbusters. It seems we're letting it die on the vine, to our everlasting shame.
Posted by: Ordinary American at May 22, 2025 01:29 PM (vsTPo)
Posted by: pawn at May 22, 2025 01:29 PM (f0JWN)
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I take it as a matter of faith that nothing "big" produced by government can also be "beautiful."
Posted by: Ordinary American at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (vsTPo)
What about a big, beautiful pile of burning Commies?
Posted by: Ordinary American at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (vsTPo)
What about a big, beautiful pile of burning Commies?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:29 PM (l3YAf)
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I analyzed the 1000 page bill with ChatGPT, on the pluses and minuses, it's probably as good as we can expect given the margins.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (XV/Pl)
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You cannot primary me because Ken Paxton WILL lose the next election AND I vote for the Trump agenda 99% of the time!!!!!!
Posted by: John Cornyn
Dear John,
Blow me.
That is all.
Posted by: John Cornyn
Dear John,
Blow me.
That is all.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (s8j++)
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I don't think Lankford is running again. No need to primary. Just do better Oklahoma
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (Dh9UM)
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63 Can I ask, what difference does it make that he did? It sill passed. He's a grandstander, but at least one who supports things most of us want - like real spending cuts. Couldn't the GOP afford to let him vote no on this?
Does his vote really matter?
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 01:28 PM (sX1BW)
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It does not.
I do think people would be less peevish with him, though, if he were pushing for something else, like he had his own budget proposal that cut the government down to 2019 levels, or something.
Does his vote really matter?
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 01:28 PM (sX1BW)
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It does not.
I do think people would be less peevish with him, though, if he were pushing for something else, like he had his own budget proposal that cut the government down to 2019 levels, or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (GBKbO)
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We kill killers in OK too. Executed some asshole two or three weeks ago.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
CBS News: Man executed by firing squad was conscious for up to a minute after bullets missed target, lawyers say
People Magazine: Inmate Executed by Firing Squad Died in ‘Excruciating’ Pain After Bullets Missed His Heart, Autopsy Report Suggests
Mikal Deen Mahdi[a] (March 20, 1983 – April 11, 2025) was an American convicted spree killer who was executed for the murder of a police officer in South Carolina. Over a period of three days in July 2004, Mahdi, then a resident of Virginia, went on a multistate crime spree, committing carjacking, firearm robbery, and three murders, for two of which he was tried and found guilty.
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And he suffered for up to a minute?!!! Noooooo!
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
CBS News: Man executed by firing squad was conscious for up to a minute after bullets missed target, lawyers say
People Magazine: Inmate Executed by Firing Squad Died in ‘Excruciating’ Pain After Bullets Missed His Heart, Autopsy Report Suggests
Mikal Deen Mahdi[a] (March 20, 1983 – April 11, 2025) was an American convicted spree killer who was executed for the murder of a police officer in South Carolina. Over a period of three days in July 2004, Mahdi, then a resident of Virginia, went on a multistate crime spree, committing carjacking, firearm robbery, and three murders, for two of which he was tried and found guilty.
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And he suffered for up to a minute?!!! Noooooo!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (L/fGl)
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56 I'd have voted against this. At some point you've just got to say no to the endless debt ceiling raises and actually cut.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 22, 2025 01:22 PM (UGyV5)
Then Ace would excoriate you in his commentary, call you a drama queen and say his sick of your type, as he does with a frequently with Massey and Chip Roy.
Posted by: Hillshire Farms Remember. at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (qFqzC)
lol
Probably.
Everyone here hates John Cornyn, but they insist that everyone in the House vote exactly like him. His schtick has been DC is hard to change, best we can do for at least 20 years now.
Kind of like burn it down. Everyone here says it. But if you get out the gas can, they suddenly turn into Smokey the Bear.
We're proper fucked.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 22, 2025 01:22 PM (UGyV5)
Then Ace would excoriate you in his commentary, call you a drama queen and say his sick of your type, as he does with a frequently with Massey and Chip Roy.
Posted by: Hillshire Farms Remember. at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (qFqzC)
lol
Probably.
Everyone here hates John Cornyn, but they insist that everyone in the House vote exactly like him. His schtick has been DC is hard to change, best we can do for at least 20 years now.
Kind of like burn it down. Everyone here says it. But if you get out the gas can, they suddenly turn into Smokey the Bear.
We're proper fucked.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (UGyV5)
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This is a train wreck of a bill but it's Our train wreck... Hopefully the rescissions come through... Plus we need a "win."
Posted by: It's me donna at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (VE6XX)
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Fucking Massey. Again with his bullshit. What was his excuse for voting with demoncrats this time? It doesn't fund his Midol?
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (2J/Lj)
Posts like this are exactly what I'm talking about.
If you don't vote for a $4 trillion increase in the debt ceiling, you aren't a real small government fiscal conservative.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (2J/Lj)
Posts like this are exactly what I'm talking about.
If you don't vote for a $4 trillion increase in the debt ceiling, you aren't a real small government fiscal conservative.
Posted by: Hillshire Farms Remembers at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (qFqzC)
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Elon Musk is disgusted, and is leaving DOGE.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (uWKK
Conveniently at the time he was always planning, and coincidentally the time he's required, to leave.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (uWKK
Conveniently at the time he was always planning, and coincidentally the time he's required, to leave.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (ExV1e)
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Thinking of Ron Paul with this...
I wonder how many earmarks Massie has in this bill he's so stridently opposed to...?
I wonder how many earmarks Massie has in this bill he's so stridently opposed to...?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (oUlN5)
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At this point, all I want is the perpetuation of the $30k deduction for married families. All those stupid deductions that never add up to $30k was a waste of time and resources for most of our dwindling middle class.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at May 22, 2025 01:31 PM (wBaIH)
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70 I analyzed the 1000 page bill with ChatGPT, on the pluses and minuses, it's probably as good as we can expect given the margins.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (XV/Pl)
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If it holds to the budget resolution passed a couple of months ago, it has some very good points in it.
But, it still doesn't actually...cut spending, which is not good.
At best, at absolute best, a mixed bag. But...it's actually still kind of terrible.
Still, better than another CR that includes TARP funding.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (XV/Pl)
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If it holds to the budget resolution passed a couple of months ago, it has some very good points in it.
But, it still doesn't actually...cut spending, which is not good.
At best, at absolute best, a mixed bag. But...it's actually still kind of terrible.
Still, better than another CR that includes TARP funding.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 01:31 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2025 01:31 PM (63Dwl)
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Anyone voting for high-tax pols should have to pay double.
Posted by: Eeyore at May 22, 2025 01:29 PM (od0dV)
What if you didn’t vote for it?
Also, the largest taxes are at the Federal level, so should we all pay double Federal taxes because we “voted” for increased Federal taxes?
Posted by: Eeyore at May 22, 2025 01:29 PM (od0dV)
What if you didn’t vote for it?
Also, the largest taxes are at the Federal level, so should we all pay double Federal taxes because we “voted” for increased Federal taxes?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:31 PM (l3YAf)
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I tire of hearing how conservative OK is when they keep sending Lankford to the Senate.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:31 PM (bWcp9)
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from the Washington Times:
Mr. Johnson said the vote tally should have been 217 because two Republicans who supported the bill missed the vote. Rep. Andrew Garbarino of New York fell asleep and Rep. David Schweikert of Arizona arrived just after the vote closed, the speaker said.
Mr. Johnson said the vote tally should have been 217 because two Republicans who supported the bill missed the vote. Rep. Andrew Garbarino of New York fell asleep and Rep. David Schweikert of Arizona arrived just after the vote closed, the speaker said.
Posted by: Mark1971 at May 22, 2025 01:32 PM (Vj4xA)
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Big Beautiful Bill sounds like Lane Bryant's new trans model.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 22, 2025 01:32 PM (UGyV5)
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Fucking Massey. Again with his bullshit. What was his excuse for voting with demoncrats this time? It doesn't fund his Midol?
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (2J/Lj)
He's a grandstander. His vote wasn't required so he voted against. Same reason the one guy vote present, instead of no. Fake convictions. Campaign literature.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (2J/Lj)
He's a grandstander. His vote wasn't required so he voted against. Same reason the one guy vote present, instead of no. Fake convictions. Campaign literature.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:32 PM (ExV1e)
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Time for some motherfuckers to lose their festive little hats.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at May 22, 2025 01:32 PM (Wkb31)
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Usually the enticements to vote a certain way must be sufficient to overcome any ideological views, and blackmail threats, yes?? Government is nothing if not venal.
Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2025 01:32 PM (PCK5/)
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I actually do think the Senate might make some good changes, yeah.
Anyway we're moving beyond endless CRs. This IS a move in the right direction.
what happens next is less politically-driven (despite but the left thinks) and more reality driven. we don't really have a choice.
Anyway we're moving beyond endless CRs. This IS a move in the right direction.
what happens next is less politically-driven (despite but the left thinks) and more reality driven. we don't really have a choice.
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 22, 2025 01:32 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Everyone here hates John Cornyn, but they insist that everyone in the House vote exactly like him. His schtick has been DC is hard to change, best we can do for at least 20 years now.
Kind of like burn it down. Everyone here says it. But if you get out the gas can, they suddenly turn into Smokey the Bear.
We're proper fucked.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (UGyV5)
This guy gets it!
Kind of like burn it down. Everyone here says it. But if you get out the gas can, they suddenly turn into Smokey the Bear.
We're proper fucked.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (UGyV5)
This guy gets it!
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:32 PM (l3YAf)
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51 Elon Musk is disgusted, and is leaving DOGE.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (uWKK
I thought he already left?
DOGE was always a limited-time gig for him.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (uWKK
I thought he already left?
DOGE was always a limited-time gig for him.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 01:32 PM (xcxpd)
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We can say with 100% assurance that nobody at all in this country knows where all the government spending goes. No one can account for it. No one cares to find out, or correct it.
We can say with 100% assurance that nobody at all in this country knows where all the government spending goes. No one can account for it. No one cares to find out, or correct it.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 22, 2025 01:33 PM (QnmlO)
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Elon Musk is disgusted, and is leaving DOGE.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Being disgusted is 100% appropriate, but it's not why he's leaving:
Musk has been designated a "special government employee" (SGE) – a label that allows him to work at a paid or unpaid government job for 130 days each year.
According to a 2007 Department of Justice memo, cited in an October 2024 guidance document from the Office of Government Ethics, any day on which an SGE performs any work for the government counts as a full day towards that limit.
Measured from Trump's inauguration on 20 January, the 130-day limit - assuming Musk, who brags about working weekends, clocks roughly five days a week at Doge - would run out toward the end of May.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Being disgusted is 100% appropriate, but it's not why he's leaving:
Musk has been designated a "special government employee" (SGE) – a label that allows him to work at a paid or unpaid government job for 130 days each year.
According to a 2007 Department of Justice memo, cited in an October 2024 guidance document from the Office of Government Ethics, any day on which an SGE performs any work for the government counts as a full day towards that limit.
Measured from Trump's inauguration on 20 January, the 130-day limit - assuming Musk, who brags about working weekends, clocks roughly five days a week at Doge - would run out toward the end of May.
Posted by: Military Moron at May 22, 2025 01:33 PM (JCZqz)
Posted by: Evelyn Wood at May 22, 2025 01:33 PM (s8j++)
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Then Ace would excoriate you in his commentary, call you a drama queen and say his sick of your type, as he does with a frequently with Massey and Chip Roy.
Posted by: Hillshire Farms Remember. at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (qFqzC)
Note that Chip Roy was a yes vote. What does that tell you?
Posted by: Hillshire Farms Remember. at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (qFqzC)
Note that Chip Roy was a yes vote. What does that tell you?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:33 PM (ExV1e)
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While House passage is a political win for Trump and Johnson, the bill's future in the Senate is less certain. Senate Republicans, led by Majority Leader John Thune, are already signaling that changes are coming -- particularly on Medicaid reforms and tax provisions. Any significant revisions will require the House to reconsider the bill, setting up a fierce intra-party tug-of-war in the coming weeks.
Shoot for the moon. Settle for the stars.
Shoot for the moon. Settle for the stars.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 22, 2025 01:33 PM (W7TOz)
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For the gun geeks, it included the Hearing Protection Act which removes suppressors from the National Firearms Act. I'll be surprised if the Senate lets that part stay.
Posted by: Oddbob at May 22, 2025 01:34 PM (/y8xj)
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at May 22, 2025 01:34 PM (Wkb31)
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Razor-Thin Majority
—Ace
215-214.
It was a tie! Why won't this button work? *hand keeps passing thru console*
Posted by: Zombie Gerry Connelly
J.D. paid Gerry a visit.
—Ace
215-214.
It was a tie! Why won't this button work? *hand keeps passing thru console*
Posted by: Zombie Gerry Connelly
J.D. paid Gerry a visit.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 22, 2025 01:34 PM (L/fGl)
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Big Beautiful Bill sounds like Lane Bryant's new trans model.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 22, 2025 01:32 PM
*snort*
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 22, 2025 01:32 PM
*snort*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 22, 2025 01:34 PM (kgE5c)
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:34 PM (7YTFo)
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Couldn't they wake the sleeping Reps for the vote?
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 01:34 PM (oURrP)
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Elon Musk is disgusted, and is leaving DOGE.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Being disgusted is 100% appropriate, but it's not why he's leaving:
Musk has been designated a "special government employee" (SGE) – a label that allows him to work at a paid or unpaid government job for 130 days each year.
According to a 2007 Department of Justice memo, cited in an October 2024 guidance document from the Office of Government Ethics, any day on which an SGE performs any work for the government counts as a full day towards that limit.
Measured from Trump's inauguration on 20 January, the 130-day limit - assuming Musk, who brags about working weekends, clocks roughly five days a week at Doge - would run out toward the end of May.
*bemoans the lack of a Hair-B-Q*
Posted by: Tom Servo
Being disgusted is 100% appropriate, but it's not why he's leaving:
Musk has been designated a "special government employee" (SGE) – a label that allows him to work at a paid or unpaid government job for 130 days each year.
According to a 2007 Department of Justice memo, cited in an October 2024 guidance document from the Office of Government Ethics, any day on which an SGE performs any work for the government counts as a full day towards that limit.
Measured from Trump's inauguration on 20 January, the 130-day limit - assuming Musk, who brags about working weekends, clocks roughly five days a week at Doge - would run out toward the end of May.
*bemoans the lack of a Hair-B-Q*
Posted by: Evelyn Wood at May 22, 2025 01:34 PM (s8j++)
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51 Elon Musk is disgusted, and is leaving DOGE.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (uWKK
Much like Trump, Musk risked everything for the greater good.
And 500+ pieces of shit spat right in his face.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (uWKK
Much like Trump, Musk risked everything for the greater good.
And 500+ pieces of shit spat right in his face.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 22, 2025 01:34 PM (KbCG3)
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>> But does anyone believe the left-leaning Bush "Republicans" that dominate the Senate Republican Caucus will actually do that?
lol.
Here’s your laugh for today. One of the first things the senate caucus leaked was the attempt to drive illegal aliens and fraud out of Medicaid and social benefit programs went “too far””
lol.
Here’s your laugh for today. One of the first things the senate caucus leaked was the attempt to drive illegal aliens and fraud out of Medicaid and social benefit programs went “too far””
Posted by: Marcus T at May 22, 2025 01:34 PM (7dvOe)
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Note that Chip Roy was a yes vote. What does that tell you?
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Chip needs Trump for something or Massey's seat is safer or they could afford to lose Massie, but told Chip we have to have you.
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Chip needs Trump for something or Massey's seat is safer or they could afford to lose Massie, but told Chip we have to have you.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 01:34 PM (sX1BW)
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I note that Massie runs unopposed in his district. Mainly because the Democrats say "We don't NEED a candidate there for our agenda..."
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 22, 2025 01:35 PM (oUlN5)
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78 Elon Musk is disgusted, and is leaving DOGE.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (uWKK
Conveniently at the time he was always planning, and coincidentally the time he's required, to leave.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (ExV1e)
This. DOGE is still there, and Musk can go back there next year for another130 days.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2025 01:25 PM (uWKK
Conveniently at the time he was always planning, and coincidentally the time he's required, to leave.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (ExV1e)
This. DOGE is still there, and Musk can go back there next year for another130 days.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 22, 2025 01:35 PM (aS92P)
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This bill...and the need to work a bit for Medicaid unless disabled...probably has a sister-in-law and spawn in a total uproar. Her son-in-law nitwit, a far left loon who thought Occupy Wall Street was a fabulous idea, needs a liver transplant. We assume due to heavy drinking and drugs but don't know (they like to play it that he inherited something but it makes no sense).
Anyway, way before his liver was shot he was a total bum. Yet the liberal niece still married him. Why we have no idea, either. He is not smart, not handsome, not witty but a total bore. He thought he should be manager material without working up any type of ladder and not having a degree (which angers him). Basically, make me a manager just because!
He was once a manager of a call center for Grub Hub in Chicago, which was the peak of his career. Since then he should be manager. Therefore he was on unemployment with his gf now wife supporting his sorry ass for a decade.
Once his liver started failing he got emergency Medicaid, which is fine and I would not judge if it were not for his lazy history of doing nothing worthwhile to contribute to anything. He may also be illegal from his weird parents. A mystery.
Anyway, way before his liver was shot he was a total bum. Yet the liberal niece still married him. Why we have no idea, either. He is not smart, not handsome, not witty but a total bore. He thought he should be manager material without working up any type of ladder and not having a degree (which angers him). Basically, make me a manager just because!
He was once a manager of a call center for Grub Hub in Chicago, which was the peak of his career. Since then he should be manager. Therefore he was on unemployment with his gf now wife supporting his sorry ass for a decade.
Once his liver started failing he got emergency Medicaid, which is fine and I would not judge if it were not for his lazy history of doing nothing worthwhile to contribute to anything. He may also be illegal from his weird parents. A mystery.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at May 22, 2025 01:35 PM (6PCLE)
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"cements his second-term policy agenda and signals a renewed GOP offensive on spending"
Hilarious. What is this dreck? Oh, the bit about "centrists" demanding their shithole states get bailouts from the rest of the country (SALT) is also beautiful.
Have to go read his best effort, but wonder how guys like Vought at OMB convince themselves this is not the disaster it obviously is. Perhaps resigned to the likely eventual solution (fiscal/financial crisis), and resigned also to the insistence of the American electorate that this idiocy be continued.
Hilarious. What is this dreck? Oh, the bit about "centrists" demanding their shithole states get bailouts from the rest of the country (SALT) is also beautiful.
Have to go read his best effort, but wonder how guys like Vought at OMB convince themselves this is not the disaster it obviously is. Perhaps resigned to the likely eventual solution (fiscal/financial crisis), and resigned also to the insistence of the American electorate that this idiocy be continued.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 22, 2025 01:35 PM (1m82a)
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Couldn't the GOP afford to let him vote no on this?
Does his vote really matter?
Posted by: SH (no more socks)
It's cute that you imagine he wouldn't do this if his vote did matter. He's trying to fuck Trump. So he votes with demoncrats and then cries that he had to for his precious principles. Where are his fucking principles when he's voting in favor of CR that gives demoncrats everything they want? That little bitch has been doing this shit for years.
Does his vote really matter?
Posted by: SH (no more socks)
It's cute that you imagine he wouldn't do this if his vote did matter. He's trying to fuck Trump. So he votes with demoncrats and then cries that he had to for his precious principles. Where are his fucking principles when he's voting in favor of CR that gives demoncrats everything they want? That little bitch has been doing this shit for years.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at May 22, 2025 01:35 PM (2J/Lj)
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Vance to visit the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 01:35 PM (oURrP)
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I am committing "thread hijacking" (but only because Ace has said all his posts are open threads and if I ask this on the Cafe or ONT there will not be as many folks there who may be able to answer).
So...has anyone used the Merlin app that is used for identifying birds? It is supposed to be free but if they upload more than the birds identified and the area where they are IDed, I pass. So I guess I am asking how much personal info they require or take in before you can download the app AND is it any good?
TIA!
So...has anyone used the Merlin app that is used for identifying birds? It is supposed to be free but if they upload more than the birds identified and the area where they are IDed, I pass. So I guess I am asking how much personal info they require or take in before you can download the app AND is it any good?
TIA!
Posted by: Brunnhilde at May 22, 2025 01:35 PM (3AwA+)
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I’ll never understand why the biggest beneficiaries of the tax changes will be blue state voters in CA, NY, NJ and Illinois with enormous SALT increase
The people that hate MAGA the most made out like bandits
The people that hate MAGA the most made out like bandits
Posted by: Maroon at May 22, 2025 01:35 PM (1UYaj)
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About time house & senate bow to POTUS
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at May 22, 2025 01:36 PM (J5RCE)
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In reconciliation, some Republican will be prepared to die on the hill of higher SALT deductions. Hero Of The People.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 22, 2025 01:36 PM (Dv3i1)
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Bond market is not happy, yields going up.
Posted by: Mark1971 at May 22, 2025 01:36 PM (Vj4xA)
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Apparently, the bill ends federally backed graduate school loans.
That could have...implications.
That could have...implications.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 01:36 PM (GBKbO)
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I tire of hearing how conservative OK is when they keep sending Lankford to the Senate.
Posted by: Cow Demon
Completely agree!
~Utah
Posted by: Cow Demon
Completely agree!
~Utah
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 22, 2025 01:36 PM (4ahw+)
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The truth is that Trump does not honestly care that much about spending, DOGE is about cutting the rot out and depowering the left (and hence, revenge) for him, but at least he's doing something to reduce spending in the executive department whatever his motivation.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 01:36 PM (2VST1)
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It's cute that you imagine he wouldn't do this if his vote did matter. He's trying to fuck Trump. So he votes with demoncrats and then cries that he had to for his precious principles. Where are his fucking principles when he's voting in favor of CR that gives demoncrats everything they want? That little bitch has been doing this shit for years.
Mayhem is exactly right. Massie is worse than a fool, he's a weaselly treasonous snake in the grass. And a fool.
Mayhem is exactly right. Massie is worse than a fool, he's a weaselly treasonous snake in the grass. And a fool.
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 22, 2025 01:36 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Vance to visit the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 01:35 PM (oURrP)
_________
Hope he has a nice long chat with Sotomayor.
Vance to visit the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 01:35 PM (oURrP)
_________
Hope he has a nice long chat with Sotomayor.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 22, 2025 01:36 PM (QnmlO)
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91 Everyone here hates John Cornyn, but they insist that everyone in the House vote exactly like him. His schtick has been DC is hard to change, best we can do for at least 20 years now.
Kind of like burn it down. Everyone here says it. But if you get out the gas can, they suddenly turn into Smokey the Bear.
We're proper fucked.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (UGyV5)
Yep. At the end of the day everyone(well mostly everyone with some exceptions) just wants a win for team red and Trump. Doesn’t matter what’s in the bill as long as it passes and Trump signs it.
Kind of like burn it down. Everyone here says it. But if you get out the gas can, they suddenly turn into Smokey the Bear.
We're proper fucked.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 22, 2025 01:30 PM (UGyV5)
Yep. At the end of the day everyone(well mostly everyone with some exceptions) just wants a win for team red and Trump. Doesn’t matter what’s in the bill as long as it passes and Trump signs it.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:37 PM (7YTFo)
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119 Apparently, the bill ends federally backed graduate school loans.
FANTASTIC! see! some good news
FANTASTIC! see! some good news
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 22, 2025 01:37 PM (Pv3Rg)
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So the Southern Poverty Law Center has issued its annual report on hate in the US. You will be shocked to learn that no only is there is more hate than ever but it now mainstream and part of the guiding principles of the current administration.
Hard to believe I know but there is hope. The report recommends more DEI and mandatory reporting of hate incidents.
Hard to believe I know but there is hope. The report recommends more DEI and mandatory reporting of hate incidents.
Posted by: Ripley at May 22, 2025 01:37 PM (GUOwU)
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So...has anyone used the Merlin app that is used for identifying birds? It is supposed to be free but if they upload more than the birds identified and the area where they are IDed, I pass. So I guess I am asking how much personal info they require or take in before you can download the app AND is it any good?
TIA!
Posted by: Brunnhilde at May 22, 2025 01:35 PM (3AwA+)
I use it and don't recall, when joining, them asking much except maybe my email. Don't remember, but I like it.
TIA!
Posted by: Brunnhilde at May 22, 2025 01:35 PM (3AwA+)
I use it and don't recall, when joining, them asking much except maybe my email. Don't remember, but I like it.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at May 22, 2025 01:37 PM (6PCLE)
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Massie is the bad guy now?
Explains it all so well. We will never, ever cut spending.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:34 PM (7YTFo)
He is the only member of Congress that doesn't accept AIPAC money.
That's why they actually hate him here.
Explains it all so well. We will never, ever cut spending.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:34 PM (7YTFo)
He is the only member of Congress that doesn't accept AIPAC money.
That's why they actually hate him here.
Posted by: Hillshire Farms Remembers at May 22, 2025 01:37 PM (qFqzC)
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I tire of hearing how conservative OK is when they keep sending Lankford to the Senate.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:31 PM (bWcp9)
1. Most people don't really pay attention to politics.
2. Even among those who do pay attention to politics, most people don't vote in primaries.
What should the average citizen of Oklahoma do?
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:31 PM (bWcp9)
1. Most people don't really pay attention to politics.
2. Even among those who do pay attention to politics, most people don't vote in primaries.
What should the average citizen of Oklahoma do?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:38 PM (ExV1e)
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It's cute that you imagine he wouldn't do this if his vote did matter. He's trying to fuck Trump. So he votes with demoncrats and then cries that he had to for his precious principles. Where are his fucking principles when he's voting in favor of CR that gives demoncrats everything they want? That little bitch has been doing this shit for years.
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Maybe. He's not my congressmen. I just don't see a need to have all this vitriol on him over this one vote when his vote didn't matter.
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Maybe. He's not my congressmen. I just don't see a need to have all this vitriol on him over this one vote when his vote didn't matter.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 01:38 PM (sX1BW)
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I tire of hearing how conservative OK is when they keep sending Lankford to the Senate.
Posted by: Cow Demon
Completely agree!
~Utah
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 22, 2025 01:36 PM (4ahw+)
What up y’all?
- South Carolina
Posted by: Cow Demon
Completely agree!
~Utah
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 22, 2025 01:36 PM (4ahw+)
What up y’all?
- South Carolina
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:38 PM (7YTFo)
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There should be no SALT caps for leftist controlled states. In fact, I think there should be an additional penalty tax assigned. 20% on the top at least.
Pretentious Enemy Propper Penalty Enacted Regulation (PEPPER)
Pretentious Enemy Propper Penalty Enacted Regulation (PEPPER)
Posted by: banana Dream at May 22, 2025 01:38 PM (cduTK)
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They managed to remove tax on tips and OT as Trump promised, but eliminating tax on Social Security checks was a bridge too far for the RINO shitfucks
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxed Ranger - Uplifting The Wagshambas of Freedom at May 22, 2025 01:38 PM (HYKHz)
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A really easy way to fix our insane tax policies....
Tax increases of any sort only affect districts where their Rep voted for it. So when the Dems take power and raise taxes they can only raise them in their own districts (assuming your GOP Rep isn't a gutless piece of shit). And...since all those blue state voters say "the rich aren't taxed enough" let them tax themselves as much as they want.
Of course this would require a constitutional amendment...but it would be hilarious to watch all those Dem elected officials suddenly oppose increasing taxes...
Tax increases of any sort only affect districts where their Rep voted for it. So when the Dems take power and raise taxes they can only raise them in their own districts (assuming your GOP Rep isn't a gutless piece of shit). And...since all those blue state voters say "the rich aren't taxed enough" let them tax themselves as much as they want.
Of course this would require a constitutional amendment...but it would be hilarious to watch all those Dem elected officials suddenly oppose increasing taxes...
Posted by: 18-1 at May 22, 2025 01:38 PM (t0Rmr)
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and now we're being treated to mostly Waffle House 5's wanting to sell us e.d. cures?
Posted by: Crusader at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (TN0g+)
Because those are the static ads flooding YT? Adblock Plus has been filtering out my video ads, thank heavens. Lil Pooky does NOT appreciate his Miku or symphonies being interrupted.
Posted by: Crusader at May 22, 2025 01:26 PM (TN0g+)
Because those are the static ads flooding YT? Adblock Plus has been filtering out my video ads, thank heavens. Lil Pooky does NOT appreciate his Miku or symphonies being interrupted.
Posted by: pookysgirl, raising a violinist at May 22, 2025 01:39 PM (Wt5PA)
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They managed to remove tax on tips and OT as Trump promised, but eliminating tax on Social Security checks was a bridge too far for the RINO shitfucks
With what offsetting cuts in spending (that can be passed)? If you can't cite them, you aren't serious.
With what offsetting cuts in spending (that can be passed)? If you can't cite them, you aren't serious.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 22, 2025 01:39 PM (s8j++)
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Congress has done nothing since Trump.took office because they were supposedly working on this bill.
Cue Peggy Lee singing "Is This All There Is"
Cue Peggy Lee singing "Is This All There Is"
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at May 22, 2025 01:39 PM (wBaIH)
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I haven't heard that but if true totally understandable. DOGE was the most significant attempt at government reform in modern history, and we should have been behind it like gangbusters. It seems we're letting it die on the vine, to our everlasting shame.
Posted by: Ordinary American at May 22, 2025 01:29 PM (vsTPo)
I took to my keyboard and pen, and let my Rep (Arrington) and Sens (Cruz and Cornyn) have it on this in the hopes that they would get behind it.
Did anyone else?
Can’t wait to hear the mockery, the shrugging, and “it doesn’t work that ship has sailed” of the crowd here. But I tried.
Posted by: Ordinary American at May 22, 2025 01:29 PM (vsTPo)
I took to my keyboard and pen, and let my Rep (Arrington) and Sens (Cruz and Cornyn) have it on this in the hopes that they would get behind it.
Did anyone else?
Can’t wait to hear the mockery, the shrugging, and “it doesn’t work that ship has sailed” of the crowd here. But I tried.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:39 PM (bWcp9)
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How is Social Security income?
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 01:40 PM (oURrP)
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Thomas Massie needs to be primaried.
He's useless.
NBC News- One House Republican opposed Trump on key votes for years and survived. Can he do it again?
https://tinyurl.com/45ybekv2
He's useless.
NBC News- One House Republican opposed Trump on key votes for years and survived. Can he do it again?
https://tinyurl.com/45ybekv2
Posted by: redridinghood at May 22, 2025 01:40 PM (NpAcC)
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Elon Musk is disgusted, and is leaving DOGE.
this is like the fifth reason I have read for why Elon is leaving DOGE. The truth is that the position was always temporary, that Elon was always leaving soon, and that he'll still keep working with Trump.
this is like the fifth reason I have read for why Elon is leaving DOGE. The truth is that the position was always temporary, that Elon was always leaving soon, and that he'll still keep working with Trump.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 01:40 PM (2VST1)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2025 01:40 PM (63Dwl)
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I like Massie since he explained a lot about his background and thoughts in a Tucker Carlson interview
But him voting with democrats almost every time on bills Trump wants makes no sense to me and also makes equal sense why Trump calls him out for being a jackass
He's basically Rand Paul with curlier hair
But him voting with democrats almost every time on bills Trump wants makes no sense to me and also makes equal sense why Trump calls him out for being a jackass
He's basically Rand Paul with curlier hair
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxed Ranger - Uplifting The Wagshambas of Freedom at May 22, 2025 01:40 PM (HYKHz)
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I didn't know Feds backed graduate student loans. Are the Obama's still paying theirs off?
Is there a list of who got one?
Is there a list of who got one?
Posted by: torabora at May 22, 2025 01:40 PM (I+1FV)
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What ads?
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 01:40 PM (oURrP)
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They are never going to pass a budget through regular process again it seems.
This idea of just lumping a percentage on top of the previous year's spending would probably work fine if it weren't for the fact that in 2009, when this CR started, they had added around $1 trillion to the deficit to pay for the all the bailouts and stimulus after the financial crisis. Then they added Obamacare on top of that a year later.
It might have still worked out if they hadn't been adding on top of that new baseline every year until we got to COVID which was Ben Bernanke's "dropping money from helicopters" finally being tested out in the real world, which then added another trillion or two to the already inflated baseline+++++ from 2009.
It really is crazy how this "short term stimulus" keeps getting stretched out for decades and nobody stops to ask where the hell all this extra money is going and why we just keep adding to it and adding to it instead of doing actual budgets the way they were done pre-2009 so Congress can go through line by line and cut this shit out.
This idea of just lumping a percentage on top of the previous year's spending would probably work fine if it weren't for the fact that in 2009, when this CR started, they had added around $1 trillion to the deficit to pay for the all the bailouts and stimulus after the financial crisis. Then they added Obamacare on top of that a year later.
It might have still worked out if they hadn't been adding on top of that new baseline every year until we got to COVID which was Ben Bernanke's "dropping money from helicopters" finally being tested out in the real world, which then added another trillion or two to the already inflated baseline+++++ from 2009.
It really is crazy how this "short term stimulus" keeps getting stretched out for decades and nobody stops to ask where the hell all this extra money is going and why we just keep adding to it and adding to it instead of doing actual budgets the way they were done pre-2009 so Congress can go through line by line and cut this shit out.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at May 22, 2025 01:41 PM (6ydKt)
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The Senate is expected to push changes, sparking a battle that could stretch into the summer as the debt ceiling deadline looms.
.......
"That pesky debt ceiling." - every Senator
.......
"That pesky debt ceiling." - every Senator
Posted by: wth at May 22, 2025 01:41 PM (v0R5T)
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Massie is what he is. You know how he is going to vote on every issue . His constituents seem to like him. He opposes all foreign aid, even to allies. Complaining about him is a waste of time . Factor him in on the vote totals and act accordingly
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 22, 2025 01:41 PM (Dh9UM)
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137 Congress has done nothing since Trump.took office because they were supposedly working on this bill.
Cue Peggy Lee singing "Is This All There Is"
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at May 22, 2025 01:39 PM (wBaIH)
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All of the bills people want passed are bills eliminating things. Those are rescission bills. Rescission bills only are allowed to be passed to rescind things from a budget. Congress hasn't had a budget since 2007.
Yes, the budget bill was top priority.
Now...will the reconciliation happen and the budget bill actually pass both chambers? Will the House start passing rescission bills to do things like permanently get rid of USAID? These are open questions, but to even get to them, the budget bill was required.
Cue Peggy Lee singing "Is This All There Is"
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at May 22, 2025 01:39 PM (wBaIH)
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All of the bills people want passed are bills eliminating things. Those are rescission bills. Rescission bills only are allowed to be passed to rescind things from a budget. Congress hasn't had a budget since 2007.
Yes, the budget bill was top priority.
Now...will the reconciliation happen and the budget bill actually pass both chambers? Will the House start passing rescission bills to do things like permanently get rid of USAID? These are open questions, but to even get to them, the budget bill was required.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 01:41 PM (GBKbO)
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How is Social Security income?
Posted by: Boss Moss
Who cares what you call it? Demanding tax cuts without corresponding spending cuts is demanding an increase in the deficit.
Posted by: Boss Moss
Who cares what you call it? Demanding tax cuts without corresponding spending cuts is demanding an increase in the deficit.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 22, 2025 01:41 PM (s8j++)
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Yeah the "leaving" thing re Musk is a nonstarter... it's like saying he is not allowed to talk to him anymore...
Posted by: tubal at May 22, 2025 01:41 PM (PCK5/)
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Thomas Massie needs to be primaried.
Agreed.
We must purge the party of the last remaining fiscal conservative.
Agreed.
We must purge the party of the last remaining fiscal conservative.
Posted by: I Mouth the Words, Not Actually Vote That Way at May 22, 2025 01:41 PM (qFqzC)
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So...has anyone used the Merlin app that is used for identifying birds? It is supposed to be free but if they upload more than the birds identified and the area where they are IDed, I pass.
I got it, and use it. It works pretty well and seems pretty light weight. It does make recordings that fill up your memory though.
I got it, and use it. It works pretty well and seems pretty light weight. It does make recordings that fill up your memory though.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 01:42 PM (2VST1)
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the bit about "centrists" demanding their shithole states get bailouts from the rest of the country (SALT) is also beautiful.
Posted by: rhomboid
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I worked to get a libertarian-ish candidate elected to Congress in CA once, and he "had to" argue against the SALT bailouts "of course." Reps gotta represent.
the bit about "centrists" demanding their shithole states get bailouts from the rest of the country (SALT) is also beautiful.
Posted by: rhomboid
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I worked to get a libertarian-ish candidate elected to Congress in CA once, and he "had to" argue against the SALT bailouts "of course." Reps gotta represent.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 22, 2025 01:42 PM (n7rxJ)
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140 Thomas Massie needs to be primaried.
He's useless.
NBC News- One House Republican opposed Trump on key votes for years and survived. Can he do it again?
https://tinyurl.com/45ybekv2
Posted by: redridinghood at May 22, 2025 01:40 PM (NpAcC)
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Thomas Massie is in a beyond safe seat, and people need to stop blowing blood vessels at his antics that don't affect anything.
For their own health.
He's useless.
NBC News- One House Republican opposed Trump on key votes for years and survived. Can he do it again?
https://tinyurl.com/45ybekv2
Posted by: redridinghood at May 22, 2025 01:40 PM (NpAcC)
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Thomas Massie is in a beyond safe seat, and people need to stop blowing blood vessels at his antics that don't affect anything.
For their own health.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 01:42 PM (GBKbO)
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Chuck Schumer@SenSchumer
This is not one big, beautiful bill.
It’s ugly.
There’s nothing beautiful about stripping away people’s healthcare, forcing kids to go hungry, denying communities the resources they need, and increasing poverty.
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So I guess it's not all bad.
This is not one big, beautiful bill.
It’s ugly.
There’s nothing beautiful about stripping away people’s healthcare, forcing kids to go hungry, denying communities the resources they need, and increasing poverty.
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So I guess it's not all bad.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 22, 2025 01:42 PM (L/fGl)
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Two reps actually missed the vote. Outstanding.
The focus on a few gadflies - who are pushing obvious common sense stuff almost all GOP and many other voters would support - is odd, given the disastrous, unchecked fiscal trajectory.
And this does nothing to prevent CRs, more specifically the very abusive *omnibus* CRs that have replaced the appropriations process for over a decade now.
Appropriations bills will still be required. An omnibus CR is just all the approps bills folded into one, usually with only a portion of the regular order (hearings, amendments) historically used.
The focus on a few gadflies - who are pushing obvious common sense stuff almost all GOP and many other voters would support - is odd, given the disastrous, unchecked fiscal trajectory.
And this does nothing to prevent CRs, more specifically the very abusive *omnibus* CRs that have replaced the appropriations process for over a decade now.
Appropriations bills will still be required. An omnibus CR is just all the approps bills folded into one, usually with only a portion of the regular order (hearings, amendments) historically used.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 22, 2025 01:42 PM (1m82a)
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The budget in 2000 was...$2T or so. Biden got spending up to $8T.
Now that $2T budget was mostly fraud and waste. So we've added another $6T in fraud and waste since then.
But remember "there is nothing left to cut"
Now that $2T budget was mostly fraud and waste. So we've added another $6T in fraud and waste since then.
But remember "there is nothing left to cut"
Posted by: 18-1 at May 22, 2025 01:42 PM (t0Rmr)
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1. Most people don't really pay attention to politics.
2. Even among those who do pay attention to politics, most people don't vote in primaries.
What should the average citizen of Oklahoma do?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:38 PM (ExV1e)
1. Then don’t bitch.
2. Then don’t bitch.
3. Quit telling me how conservative OK is because “all our counties vote red”.
1. Most people don't really pay attention to politics.
2. Even among those who do pay attention to politics, most people don't vote in primaries.
What should the average citizen of Oklahoma do?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:38 PM (ExV1e)
1. Then don’t bitch.
2. Then don’t bitch.
3. Quit telling me how conservative OK is because “all our counties vote red”.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:42 PM (bWcp9)
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Biden helped tax social security.
Republicans should showcase that.
Republicans should showcase that.
Posted by: torabora at May 22, 2025 01:43 PM (I+1FV)
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Who cares what you call it? Demanding tax cuts without corresponding spending cuts is demanding an increase in the deficit
While I wholeheartedly agree that social security benefits for the elderly ought not be taxed yeah, we need to see cuts as well. And we should see them for the tax cuts in every area.
While I wholeheartedly agree that social security benefits for the elderly ought not be taxed yeah, we need to see cuts as well. And we should see them for the tax cuts in every area.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 01:43 PM (2VST1)
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SNAP got an upgrade in work rewuirements.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 01:43 PM (oURrP)
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No Tax on tips is retarded. Sorry but it is. A waiter serving food doesn’t have to pay taxes but a guy working at McDonalds does? Yeah that makes perfect sense.
Overtime, tax free is bullshit as well. Overtime is basically a bonus. So salaried bonuses are taxed but hourly bonuses are not. Again where’s the logic in this?
It’s social engineering and vote buying.
How about just lower the fucking rates for everyone and stop this targeted shit.
Overtime, tax free is bullshit as well. Overtime is basically a bonus. So salaried bonuses are taxed but hourly bonuses are not. Again where’s the logic in this?
It’s social engineering and vote buying.
How about just lower the fucking rates for everyone and stop this targeted shit.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:43 PM (7YTFo)
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He is the only member of Congress that doesn't accept AIPAC money.
That's why they actually hate him here.
Posted by: Hillshire Farms Remembers at May 22, 2025 01:37 PM (qFqzC)
Why not just drop the mask and complain about how the Jews run everything?
Ass.
He is the only member of Congress that doesn't accept AIPAC money.
That's why they actually hate him here.
Posted by: Hillshire Farms Remembers at May 22, 2025 01:37 PM (qFqzC)
Why not just drop the mask and complain about how the Jews run everything?
Ass.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 22, 2025 01:43 PM (oUlN5)
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I'll be honest I never thought the GOP would make the tax cuts permanent and I still don't believe it. Let's see what the Senate does.
Of course the next fuckers can always repeal it. For the children.
Of course the next fuckers can always repeal it. For the children.
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 01:44 PM (VIxhi)
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There’s nothing beautiful about stripping away people’s healthcare, forcing kids to go hungry, denying communities the resources they need, and increasing poverty.
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So I guess it's not all bad.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 22, 2025 01:42 PM (L/
Notice Schumer will not lift a finger at a food bank or other charities to help people who are going hungry or to help his community. Fuck him.
I don’t care about health care because I have zero health for which to care.
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So I guess it's not all bad.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 22, 2025 01:42 PM (L/
Notice Schumer will not lift a finger at a food bank or other charities to help people who are going hungry or to help his community. Fuck him.
I don’t care about health care because I have zero health for which to care.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:44 PM (bWcp9)
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Saying "this bill is the worst thing ever, burn it all down" is easy when the person saying it is barricaded in his parents basement.
Posted by: hurricane567 at May 22, 2025 01:44 PM (9YGcR)
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Can I ask, what difference does it make that he did? It sill passed. He's a grandstander, but at least one who supports things most of us want - like real spending cuts. Couldn't the GOP afford to let him vote no on this?
Does his vote really matter?
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 01:28 PM (sX1BW)
Well, since Massey voted the way he said he would vote, the way he campaigned he would vote, the way his voting history shows that he voted, and the way his comments on various podcasts and public speeches indicate he would vote . . .
I say we DAMM HIS EYS for not being a lying backsliding lizard when it is politically convenient for anyone but him.
After all, isn't being supinely flexible on stances the hallmark of the proud, determinedGOPe Conservative?
Does his vote really matter?
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 01:28 PM (sX1BW)
Well, since Massey voted the way he said he would vote, the way he campaigned he would vote, the way his voting history shows that he voted, and the way his comments on various podcasts and public speeches indicate he would vote . . .
I say we DAMM HIS EYS for not being a lying backsliding lizard when it is politically convenient for anyone but him.
After all, isn't being supinely flexible on stances the hallmark of the proud, determined
Posted by: Kindltot at May 22, 2025 01:44 PM (D7oie)
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Chuck Schumer@SenSchumer
This is not one big, beautiful bill.
It’s ugly.
There’s nothing beautiful about stripping away people’s healthcare, forcing kids to go hungry, denying communities the resources they need, and increasing poverty
Senior Schumer is a great guy. He offered me a cheeseburger when papa said we wouldn't get free hot pockets no more. But papa said don't eat that its still pink! Now Pedro is muy hungry!
This is not one big, beautiful bill.
It’s ugly.
There’s nothing beautiful about stripping away people’s healthcare, forcing kids to go hungry, denying communities the resources they need, and increasing poverty
Senior Schumer is a great guy. He offered me a cheeseburger when papa said we wouldn't get free hot pockets no more. But papa said don't eat that its still pink! Now Pedro is muy hungry!
Posted by: Some Illegal now going hungry at May 22, 2025 01:44 PM (t0Rmr)
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Maybe the Epstein Papers are still being used for blackmail and extortion.
Maybe
Maybe
Posted by: torabora at May 22, 2025 01:44 PM (I+1FV)
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Couldn't they wake the sleeping Reps for the vote?
Posted by: Boss Moss
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Yes, but all the wheelchairs wouldn't fit in chambers.
Posted by: Boss Moss
......
Yes, but all the wheelchairs wouldn't fit in chambers.
Posted by: wth at May 22, 2025 01:44 PM (v0R5T)
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Like letting teenagers loose with a unlimited credit card
Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2025 01:45 PM (ypFCm)
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Schumer hates the bill? The bill must be a lot better than I thought it was.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 22, 2025 01:45 PM (tT6L1)
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We still haven't seen Nancy Mace nudes yet.
Posted by: torabora at May 22, 2025 01:45 PM (I+1FV)
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It’s social engineering and vote buying.
Income tax is inherently offensive. As are investment and real estate taxes.
The only really fair solution is a head tax - every family pays the same amount. But it would take a reduction in spending of 90% or more to make this reasonable.
Income tax is inherently offensive. As are investment and real estate taxes.
The only really fair solution is a head tax - every family pays the same amount. But it would take a reduction in spending of 90% or more to make this reasonable.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 22, 2025 01:46 PM (t0Rmr)
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No Tax on tips is retarded. Sorry but it is. A waiter serving food doesn’t have to pay taxes but a guy working at McDonalds does?
The waitress has to pay taxes on her wages (which are often lower than the mcdonald's guy) just like he does.
The waitress has to pay taxes on her wages (which are often lower than the mcdonald's guy) just like he does.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 01:46 PM (2VST1)
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Yep. At the end of the day everyone(well mostly everyone with some exceptions) just wants a win for team red and Trump. Doesn’t matter what’s in the bill as long as it passes and Trump signs it.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:37 PM (7YTFo)
Some of us want:
- an actual budget (this is that) - I'd prefer a separate bill per department but... baby steps
- the 2017 tax cuts extended (this does that)
- the way opened for spending cuts via rescission which the Senate Dems cannot hold hostage (this does that)
But, sure, let's all agitate for the perfect bill, which won't happen short of God's golden throne and piss away the one tiny sliver of a chance we have.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:37 PM (7YTFo)
Some of us want:
- an actual budget (this is that) - I'd prefer a separate bill per department but... baby steps
- the 2017 tax cuts extended (this does that)
- the way opened for spending cuts via rescission which the Senate Dems cannot hold hostage (this does that)
But, sure, let's all agitate for the perfect bill, which won't happen short of God's golden throne and piss away the one tiny sliver of a chance we have.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:46 PM (ExV1e)
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But him voting with democrats almost every time on bills Trump wants makes no sense to me and also makes equal sense why Trump calls him out for being a jackass
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So if Trump wants a bill but the bill is a steaming pile of dogshit, he should vote on it just because?
Here’s a radical idea. Write a better bill and he will vote for it.
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So if Trump wants a bill but the bill is a steaming pile of dogshit, he should vote on it just because?
Here’s a radical idea. Write a better bill and he will vote for it.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:46 PM (7YTFo)
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TJM, I thought rescissions were for appropriations. Budget and reconciliation (under the '74 Act) don't appropriate a dime, they set ceilings, and reconciliation (one of the only important bills that is now passed in regular fashion by Congress, for years, because it is a privileged matter and therefore is not subject to filibuster in the Senate) makes other policy changes as long as they related to revenue and spending.
So rescissions would only apply against prior appropriations. Was never part of my responsibility, plus rescissions didn't happen very often, so not sure and too lazy to look into it.
So rescissions would only apply against prior appropriations. Was never part of my responsibility, plus rescissions didn't happen very often, so not sure and too lazy to look into it.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 22, 2025 01:46 PM (1m82a)
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179 TJM, I thought rescissions were for appropriations. Budget and reconciliation (under the '74 Act) don't appropriate a dime, they set ceilings, and reconciliation (one of the only important bills that is now passed in regular fashion by Congress, for years, because it is a privileged matter and therefore is not subject to filibuster in the Senate) makes other policy changes as long as they related to revenue and spending.
So rescissions would only apply against prior appropriations. Was never part of my responsibility, plus rescissions didn't happen very often, so not sure and too lazy to look into it.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 22, 2025 01:46 PM (1m82a)
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Yeah, that's the more detailed explanation. The appropriations stuff is still ahead, but it should be a lesser fight, I think.
So rescissions would only apply against prior appropriations. Was never part of my responsibility, plus rescissions didn't happen very often, so not sure and too lazy to look into it.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 22, 2025 01:46 PM (1m82a)
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Yeah, that's the more detailed explanation. The appropriations stuff is still ahead, but it should be a lesser fight, I think.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 01:47 PM (GBKbO)
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Notice Schumer will not lift a finger at a food bank or other charities to help people who are going hungry or to help his community.
And that his claims are ludicrous lies.
And that his claims are ludicrous lies.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 01:47 PM (2VST1)
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or its really Stacy Abrams and JB Pritzker 69-ing after an especially long gorging session at Denny's All-You-Can-Eat.
Damn. That's an image.
Damn. That's an image.
Posted by: Aetius451AD workphone at May 22, 2025 01:47 PM (vcOIk)
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Increasing poverty? WTF? Government handouts increase poverty. Take a peek at the welfare queens, the perpetually lazy, the slackers, the cheats. Not one of them is wealthy, because they game the system, collect medicaid and food stamps, and smoke dope all day, or sell it.
Why do we think that giving people freebies pulls them out of poverty? We don't.
Chuck is a schmuck.
Why do we think that giving people freebies pulls them out of poverty? We don't.
Chuck is a schmuck.
Posted by: tcn in AK at May 22, 2025 01:48 PM (a4NoL)
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or its really Stacy Abrams and JB Pritzker 69-ing after an especially long gorging session at Denny's All-You-Can-Eat.
Pretty sure that would be a 666999
Pretty sure that would be a 666999
Posted by: Some math nerd at May 22, 2025 01:48 PM (t0Rmr)
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The waitress has to pay taxes on her wages (which are often lower than the mcdonald's guy) just like he does.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 01:46 PM (2VST1)
With a few exceptions in a handful of states, waiters make $2/hr as their “wage”. The rest of their income is tips. Which means they will get 80-90% of their total income tax free.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 01:46 PM (2VST1)
With a few exceptions in a handful of states, waiters make $2/hr as their “wage”. The rest of their income is tips. Which means they will get 80-90% of their total income tax free.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:48 PM (7YTFo)
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Treasury Auction didn't go well.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 01:48 PM (oURrP)
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Pretty sure that would be a 666999
Posted by: Some math nerd at May 22, 2025 01:48 PM (t0Rmr)
On the Richter scale.
Posted by: Some math nerd at May 22, 2025 01:48 PM (t0Rmr)
On the Richter scale.
Posted by: Aetius451AD workphone at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (vcOIk)
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At the end of the day everyone(well mostly everyone with some exceptions) just wants a win for team red and Trump.
No I don't think most people here are team cheering fools who just want Trump to win. We want US to win and don't trust him on spending bills.
No I don't think most people here are team cheering fools who just want Trump to win. We want US to win and don't trust him on spending bills.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (2VST1)
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Notice Schumer will not lift a finger at a food bank or other charities to help people who are going hungry or to help his community. Fuck him.
Would you want to eat food prepared by Schumer? We've seen his culinary skills in action.
Would you want to eat food prepared by Schumer? We've seen his culinary skills in action.
Posted by: Oddbob at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (/y8xj)
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No Tax on tips is retarded.
F*cking waiters, waitresses, bell boys, taxi cab drivers and DoorDashers.....living the high life while the rest us suffer.
F*cking waiters, waitresses, bell boys, taxi cab drivers and DoorDashers.....living the high life while the rest us suffer.
Posted by: Trust Me, I'm Super-Conservative at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (qFqzC)
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the bit about "centrists" demanding their shithole states get bailouts from the rest of the country (SALT) is also beautiful.
Posted by: rhomboid
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I worked to get a libertarian-ish candidate elected to Congress in CA once, and he "had to" argue against the SALT bailouts "of course." Reps gotta represent.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 22, 2025 01:42 PM (n7rxJ)
I don’t get the SALT thing. Of course I’m for lower taxes, especially if they benefit me.
Posted by: rhomboid
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I worked to get a libertarian-ish candidate elected to Congress in CA once, and he "had to" argue against the SALT bailouts "of course." Reps gotta represent.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 22, 2025 01:42 PM (n7rxJ)
I don’t get the SALT thing. Of course I’m for lower taxes, especially if they benefit me.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (l3YAf)
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119 Apparently, the bill ends federally backed graduate school loans.
FANTASTIC! see! some good news
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 22, 2025 01:37 PM (Pv3Rg)
First, DJT eliminates USAID. Now we're on track to end taxpayer-paid student loan guarantees. Man, with all those kids having to work their way through college, how will they find time to occupy university libraries?
FANTASTIC! see! some good news
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 22, 2025 01:37 PM (Pv3Rg)
First, DJT eliminates USAID. Now we're on track to end taxpayer-paid student loan guarantees. Man, with all those kids having to work their way through college, how will they find time to occupy university libraries?
Posted by: mrp at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (rj6Yv)
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It’s social engineering and vote buying.
How about just lower the fucking rates for everyone and stop this targeted shit.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:43 PM (7YTFo)
hahahahahah!
WHooooo! What a japester you are.
What planet do you live on, Jack? What color is the sky there and how does living on sunlight and rainfall taste in the land where politics is not "vote buying"?
How about just lower the fucking rates for everyone and stop this targeted shit.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:43 PM (7YTFo)
hahahahahah!
WHooooo! What a japester you are.
What planet do you live on, Jack? What color is the sky there and how does living on sunlight and rainfall taste in the land where politics is not "vote buying"?
Posted by: Kindltot at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (D7oie)
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Vance to visit the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Boss Moss
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This honestly puzzles me. Is this like a goodwill tour to a shithole country where he enjoys a dance performance by little kids and then drops off some food aid? What can the veep say to SCOTUS that will affect anything?
Vance to visit the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Boss Moss
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This honestly puzzles me. Is this like a goodwill tour to a shithole country where he enjoys a dance performance by little kids and then drops off some food aid? What can the veep say to SCOTUS that will affect anything?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (n7rxJ)
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this is like the fifth reason I have read for why Elon is leaving DOGE. The truth is that the position was always temporary, that Elon was always leaving soon, and that he'll still keep working with Trump.
Lots of people post lots of shit that isn't true, gets folks stirred up, and then the echo chamber starts - just repeating that same falsehood over and over again.
Did you hear that Trump called the military chumps?
Lots of people post lots of shit that isn't true, gets folks stirred up, and then the echo chamber starts - just repeating that same falsehood over and over again.
Did you hear that Trump called the military chumps?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (ExV1e)
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They spend almost a trillion every 100 days with borrowed money. It's bookkeeping legerdemain. Might as well stop income taxes and borrow everything.
Posted by: torabora at May 22, 2025 01:50 PM (I+1FV)
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174 We still haven't seen Nancy Mace nudes yet.
Posted by: torabora at May 22, 2025 01:45 PM (I+1FV)
Maybe sanity prevails?
Posted by: torabora at May 22, 2025 01:45 PM (I+1FV)
Maybe sanity prevails?
Posted by: tcn in AK at May 22, 2025 01:50 PM (a4NoL)
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If you’re feeling exuberantly happy, this thread will cool you down. How killing Jews in the streets of America became normalized.
https://shorturl.at/9CAcM
https://shorturl.at/9CAcM
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 22, 2025 01:50 PM (L/fGl)
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My peeps are you seriously thinking some magical future recision bill will materialize and cut spending? If so I have some lovely beachfront condos in Nevada for sale. The views Are incredible. Call me.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:50 PM (7YTFo)
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F*cking waiters, waitresses, bell boys, taxi cab drivers and DoorDashers.....living the high life while the rest us suffer.
Posted by: Trust Me, I'm Super-Conservative at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (qFqzC)
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They might as well be Boomers...
Posted by: Trust Me, I'm Super-Conservative at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (qFqzC)
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They might as well be Boomers...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 22, 2025 01:50 PM (7fElN)
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Why do we think that giving people freebies pulls them out of poverty? We don't.
Chuck is a schmuck.
They had a big study around one of those "Universal Basic Income" schemes in Europe.
Positives: People felt better about themselves
Negatives: They stopped working
I mean isn't it amazing that's what they found? That people like OTHER people to do the work for them and yet still get paid?
Why do we think that giving people freebies pulls them out of poverty? We don't.
Chuck is a schmuck.
They had a big study around one of those "Universal Basic Income" schemes in Europe.
Positives: People felt better about themselves
Negatives: They stopped working
I mean isn't it amazing that's what they found? That people like OTHER people to do the work for them and yet still get paid?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 22, 2025 01:50 PM (t0Rmr)
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which the Senate Dems cannot hold hostage (this does that)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
This is the most entertaining part of a budget bill.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
This is the most entertaining part of a budget bill.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 22, 2025 01:50 PM (4ahw+)
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"Free" money is why food costs 10X as much now as it did twenty years ago.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 22, 2025 01:51 PM (t0Rmr)
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My peeps are you seriously thinking some magical future recision bill will materialize and cut spending? If so I have some lovely beachfront condos in Nevada for sale. The views Are incredible. Call me.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:50 PM (7YTFo)
Spending cuts are like nuclear fusion: forever in the future.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:50 PM (7YTFo)
Spending cuts are like nuclear fusion: forever in the future.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:51 PM (l3YAf)
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What planet do you live on, Jack? What color is the sky there and how does living on sunlight and rainfall taste in the land where politics is not "vote buying"?
Posted by: Kindltot at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (D7oie)
The Reagan cuts were across the board massive rate reductions. It’s doable. Just needs a will to do it.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (D7oie)
The Reagan cuts were across the board massive rate reductions. It’s doable. Just needs a will to do it.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:51 PM (7YTFo)
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Schumer is such a pathetic case that it's truly hard to watch. He is the wildebeest and AOC is the hyena disemboweling him from his anus.
Posted by: Oglebay at May 22, 2025 01:51 PM (2ap+5)
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163 No Tax on tips is retarded. Sorry but it is. A waiter serving food doesn’t have to pay taxes but a guy working at McDonalds does? Yeah that makes perfect sense.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:43 PM (7YTFo)
Tipping has a bunch of gaming going on.
The guy working at McDonalds is probably not much of a taxpayer to begin with. Keep in mind the bottom 50% of payers only pay 2-3% of income taxes. Which sure we could do more to reduce this unnecessary paperwork.
Businesses don't want to pay overtime if they can help it, it should mostly be a product of lack of easily available incremental labor. Making that labor more available shouldn't be a bad thing.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:43 PM (7YTFo)
Tipping has a bunch of gaming going on.
The guy working at McDonalds is probably not much of a taxpayer to begin with. Keep in mind the bottom 50% of payers only pay 2-3% of income taxes. Which sure we could do more to reduce this unnecessary paperwork.
Businesses don't want to pay overtime if they can help it, it should mostly be a product of lack of easily available incremental labor. Making that labor more available shouldn't be a bad thing.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at May 22, 2025 01:51 PM (okun6)
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Veep can remind court that positions don't have to be filled.
Trump's picks weren't that good. Original court had six.
Trump's picks weren't that good. Original court had six.
Posted by: torabora at May 22, 2025 01:52 PM (I+1FV)
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190 No Tax on tips is retarded.
F*cking waiters, waitresses, bell boys, taxi cab drivers and DoorDashers.....living the high life while the rest us suffer.
Posted by: Trust Me, I'm Super-Conservative at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (qFqzC)
Don’t tip. I for one don’t believe in it.
190 No Tax on tips is retarded.
F*cking waiters, waitresses, bell boys, taxi cab drivers and DoorDashers.....living the high life while the rest us suffer.
Posted by: Trust Me, I'm Super-Conservative at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (qFqzC)
Don’t tip. I for one don’t believe in it.
Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 22, 2025 01:52 PM (bWcp9)
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What can the veep say to SCOTUS that will affect anything?
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Not much, but he is sort of one of them since he has a Yale law degree. He confirmed a couple of them. I say let him be the good cop and have a nice visit while Trump is the bad cop who attacks the Court. Maybe they offer him something - so long as Trump doesn't do this, we can vote this way. Backroom deals simple politics. There is no reason to think that some sort of deal can't be made here.
Or maybe it is simply a nice visit.
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Not much, but he is sort of one of them since he has a Yale law degree. He confirmed a couple of them. I say let him be the good cop and have a nice visit while Trump is the bad cop who attacks the Court. Maybe they offer him something - so long as Trump doesn't do this, we can vote this way. Backroom deals simple politics. There is no reason to think that some sort of deal can't be made here.
Or maybe it is simply a nice visit.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 01:52 PM (sX1BW)
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Every state, no matter how red, has blue cities. Same is true with OK. I suspect that big Ag likes Lanksford, just like they like Moran. Hard to outvote big Ag.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 22, 2025 01:52 PM (AcTAo)
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You get less of what you tax and more of what you subsidize.
So tax income and you get fewer people working.
Give the people that don't work a handout and you'll get more people in line to get handouts.
So tax income and you get fewer people working.
Give the people that don't work a handout and you'll get more people in line to get handouts.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 22, 2025 01:52 PM (t0Rmr)
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Some of us want:
- an actual budget (this is that) - I'd prefer a separate bill per department but... baby steps
- the 2017 tax cuts extended (this does that)
- the way opened for spending cuts via rescission which the Senate Dems cannot hold hostage (this does that)
But, sure, let's all agitate for the perfect bill, which won't happen short of God's golden throne and piss away the one tiny sliver of a chance we have.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:46 PM (ExV1e)
Agree. There are not enough Rs in the House and Senate, so this is the best we were ever going to get. It's a testament to Trump and Speaker Johnson that this even got done, with the MFM predicting 'DOOM!' 24/7 around anything Trump does. As for Massie (and Collins and Rand), I'm fine with them. WYSIWIG with all of them. A good Speaker counts the votes they can get - and Johnson is a good Speaker.
It's the turncoats I despise, like Mitch and Murky.
- an actual budget (this is that) - I'd prefer a separate bill per department but... baby steps
- the 2017 tax cuts extended (this does that)
- the way opened for spending cuts via rescission which the Senate Dems cannot hold hostage (this does that)
But, sure, let's all agitate for the perfect bill, which won't happen short of God's golden throne and piss away the one tiny sliver of a chance we have.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:46 PM (ExV1e)
Agree. There are not enough Rs in the House and Senate, so this is the best we were ever going to get. It's a testament to Trump and Speaker Johnson that this even got done, with the MFM predicting 'DOOM!' 24/7 around anything Trump does. As for Massie (and Collins and Rand), I'm fine with them. WYSIWIG with all of them. A good Speaker counts the votes they can get - and Johnson is a good Speaker.
It's the turncoats I despise, like Mitch and Murky.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 22, 2025 01:53 PM (KnTox)
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I doubt Pritzker and Abrams could 69. Their respective belly's would keep their mouths away fromm each other's private parts
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 22, 2025 01:53 PM (Dh9UM)
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176 No Tax on tips is retarded. Sorry but it is. A waiter serving food doesn’t have to pay taxes but a guy working at McDonalds does?
The waitress has to pay taxes on her wages (which are often lower than the mcdonald's guy) just like he does.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 01:46 PM (2VST1)
McDonald's dude can always switch jobs if that's to his advantage.
The waitress has to pay taxes on her wages (which are often lower than the mcdonald's guy) just like he does.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 01:46 PM (2VST1)
McDonald's dude can always switch jobs if that's to his advantage.
Posted by: tcn in AK at May 22, 2025 01:53 PM (a4NoL)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 22, 2025 01:53 PM (L/fGl)
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WYSIWYG.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 22, 2025 01:53 PM (KnTox)
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No Tax on tips is retarded.
While I’m not sure I agree with it, I can see an argument in favor of not taxing what is basically an unpredictable income stream that practically requires unverifiable paperwork, and to which many patrons (myself included) often specifically tailor our contributions to allow the recipient to falsify.
I do this, and I know people on both sides of the aisle who do it too, specifically tip in cash even when paying by card so that the people getting the tip can choose whether to report it.
Laws where avoidance is that popular are generally bad ideas.
I suspect that if I thought more about it, I would argue that if tips should be taxed, then they shouldn’t be tips; they should be part of wages, with no tips listed or expected, as much of the rest of the world (at least the limited part of it I travel to) does.
While I’m not sure I agree with it, I can see an argument in favor of not taxing what is basically an unpredictable income stream that practically requires unverifiable paperwork, and to which many patrons (myself included) often specifically tailor our contributions to allow the recipient to falsify.
I do this, and I know people on both sides of the aisle who do it too, specifically tip in cash even when paying by card so that the people getting the tip can choose whether to report it.
Laws where avoidance is that popular are generally bad ideas.
I suspect that if I thought more about it, I would argue that if tips should be taxed, then they shouldn’t be tips; they should be part of wages, with no tips listed or expected, as much of the rest of the world (at least the limited part of it I travel to) does.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 22, 2025 01:53 PM (EXyHK)
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We still haven't seen Nancy Mace nudes yet.
Posted by: torabora at May 22, 2025 01:45 PM (I+1FV)
Bondi has them in a binder on her desk.
Posted by: torabora at May 22, 2025 01:45 PM (I+1FV)
Bondi has them in a binder on her desk.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:54 PM (l3YAf)
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Frankly, I'm not a fan of increased defense spending. The woke generals are still there, and the procurement process is as corrupt as all get out.
I'd revisit the issue once Hegseth cleans the stables.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 22, 2025 01:19 PM (aS92P)
Depends on where it goes. We need to rebuild the stocks of guns and ammo and drones (if we have any) and air defense as fast as we can. We need to get our production chain capacity way up.
I'd revisit the issue once Hegseth cleans the stables.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 22, 2025 01:19 PM (aS92P)
Depends on where it goes. We need to rebuild the stocks of guns and ammo and drones (if we have any) and air defense as fast as we can. We need to get our production chain capacity way up.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 22, 2025 01:54 PM (8avO+)
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Cops are big winners of no tax on OT.
$60+ hour looks better untaxed. 457 money.
$60+ hour looks better untaxed. 457 money.
Posted by: torabora at May 22, 2025 01:54 PM (I+1FV)
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The only way the size government will be cut is if Mars Attacks.
Posted by: wth at May 22, 2025 01:54 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: James Madison at May 22, 2025 01:54 PM (t0Rmr)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:54 PM (ExV1e)
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I don’t get the SALT thing. Of course I’m for lower taxes, especially if they benefit me.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (l3YAf)
Get rid of SALT for one reason: to show the true cost of government across the board. On all levels: federal, state and local.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:49 PM (l3YAf)
Get rid of SALT for one reason: to show the true cost of government across the board. On all levels: federal, state and local.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (bWcp9)
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The waitress has to pay taxes on her wages (which are often lower than the mcdonald's guy) just like he does.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 01:46 PM (2VST1)
With a few exceptions in a handful of states, waiters make $2/hr as their “wage”. The rest of their income is tips. Which means they will get 80-90% of their total income tax free.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:48 PM (7YTFo)
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Prediction: The citizens of the United States will suddenly have the finest service for tips in living memory.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 01:46 PM (2VST1)
With a few exceptions in a handful of states, waiters make $2/hr as their “wage”. The rest of their income is tips. Which means they will get 80-90% of their total income tax free.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:48 PM (7YTFo)
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Prediction: The citizens of the United States will suddenly have the finest service for tips in living memory.
Posted by: mrp at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (rj6Yv)
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With no tax on tips, if you think there's too much pressure to tip employees who aren't doing anything for you, wait until you see what happens next ....
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (iFTx/)
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Treasury Auction didn't go well.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 01:48 PM (oURrP)
They won't be. Japan and ECB are having liquidity issues, and they are both trying to get USD to cover their issues.
ECB is the largest investor in Treasuries, and were stocking up on short term bills at low interest during the age of Yellen, and now that the Fed has left interest high(er), they can't afford to roll into new ones.
Japan supposedly has been the main area for "carry trade" which I understand to be the main market for foreign exchange arbitrage, which is starting to slow down as well due to how the Japanese are strengthening the Yen.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 01:48 PM (oURrP)
They won't be. Japan and ECB are having liquidity issues, and they are both trying to get USD to cover their issues.
ECB is the largest investor in Treasuries, and were stocking up on short term bills at low interest during the age of Yellen, and now that the Fed has left interest high(er), they can't afford to roll into new ones.
Japan supposedly has been the main area for "carry trade" which I understand to be the main market for foreign exchange arbitrage, which is starting to slow down as well due to how the Japanese are strengthening the Yen.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (D7oie)
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All these legislative tricks they use now to pass huge bills that nobody reads but policy wonks and people paid to read it would not be neccesary if our politicians would grow some balls and vote the way Congress voted on tough bills for a 150 years.
Now they're too scared to vote on ending Daylights Savings Time because it might cost them a vote in the next election.
And the media inflames all of this because they love egging on the fights for ratings & clout so the politicians are scared to death they'll see their face on MSNBC being called a racist for denying black people an extra hour of sunlight.
Now they're too scared to vote on ending Daylights Savings Time because it might cost them a vote in the next election.
And the media inflames all of this because they love egging on the fights for ratings & clout so the politicians are scared to death they'll see their face on MSNBC being called a racist for denying black people an extra hour of sunlight.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (6ydKt)
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The bill sucks but can def not suck when it goes through (if it goes through) the Reconciliation process.
Trump and Co + Congressional allies (hhe has few) need to go on a media blitz about DOGE findings, corruption, NGOs etc. direct to the people and to scare the Senate. Get Musk back (a bit)to start pushing the MAGA primary fund to kick Rhinos out of seats come 2026. Worked with Earnst and her clown college senators early on
Trump and Co + Congressional allies (hhe has few) need to go on a media blitz about DOGE findings, corruption, NGOs etc. direct to the people and to scare the Senate. Get Musk back (a bit)to start pushing the MAGA primary fund to kick Rhinos out of seats come 2026. Worked with Earnst and her clown college senators early on
Posted by: GigantorX at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (a9aVU)
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>> I doubt Pritzker and Abrams could 69. Their respective belly's would keep their mouths away fromm each other's private parts
Like a farmer dangling a carrot from a stick, just out of reach of the mule’s mouth..
Like a farmer dangling a carrot from a stick, just out of reach of the mule’s mouth..
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (l3YAf)
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OFFS.
Just how much money is generated from taxing waiter's tips in the context of the total dollar budget of the US?
Next thing we'll hear from qFqzC is that it's because AIPAC doesn't want them to be taxed.
Just how much money is generated from taxing waiter's tips in the context of the total dollar budget of the US?
Next thing we'll hear from qFqzC is that it's because AIPAC doesn't want them to be taxed.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (oUlN5)
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227 With no tax on tips, if you think there's too much pressure to tip employees who aren't doing anything for you, wait until you see what happens next ....
out: wages
in: tips
out: wages
in: tips
Posted by: anachronda at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (sGtp+)
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[ik]The only way the size government will be cut is if Mars Attacks.
Posted by: wth
If the CIA, etc. could, they'd engineer it.
Posted by: wth
If the CIA, etc. could, they'd engineer it.
Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (mlg/3)
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This is not one big, beautiful bill.
It’s ugly.
There’s nothing beautiful about stripping away people’s healthcare, forcing kids to go hungry, denying communities the resources they need, and increasing poverty
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OMG Chuck Schumer is Sid
It’s ugly.
There’s nothing beautiful about stripping away people’s healthcare, forcing kids to go hungry, denying communities the resources they need, and increasing poverty
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OMG Chuck Schumer is Sid
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (VIxhi)
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There was a libertarian thing about leaving a note to the waiter that the money left on the table is a gift and not subject to taxation.
Posted by: Oglebay at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (2ap+5)
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"Treasury Auction didn't go well."
Haven't checked about today, but Bank of Japan's longest-term bond offerings received no bids at all the last few days. Of course I don't know how unusual/unprecedented/meh happens sometimes that all is.
Old enough to recall the US bond market (i.e., financial reality) setting limits to US deficit spending and debt. Carter's last budget, rejected by the markets, a conference call with Treasury, Volcker, and primary dealers - poof, budget submission revised.
Fast forward to today. Almost every cent spend on the discretionary budget (the Pentagon, all federal guvamint agency activities and personnel, what people think of as "government") will be *borrowed*. All revenues, including from big beautiful tariffs, swallowed up by transfer payments and interest on the debt.
Seems a tad risky, but we'll see.
Haven't checked about today, but Bank of Japan's longest-term bond offerings received no bids at all the last few days. Of course I don't know how unusual/unprecedented/meh happens sometimes that all is.
Old enough to recall the US bond market (i.e., financial reality) setting limits to US deficit spending and debt. Carter's last budget, rejected by the markets, a conference call with Treasury, Volcker, and primary dealers - poof, budget submission revised.
Fast forward to today. Almost every cent spend on the discretionary budget (the Pentagon, all federal guvamint agency activities and personnel, what people think of as "government") will be *borrowed*. All revenues, including from big beautiful tariffs, swallowed up by transfer payments and interest on the debt.
Seems a tad risky, but we'll see.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (1m82a)
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No Tax on tips is retarded.
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Part of me thinks we already have too many carveouts.
The other part of me thinks at some point we will reach so many carveouts that the only political tenable solution will be to scrap the whole thing.
At the end of the day, it is simple vote buying and if it bought Trump's election or keeps Congress red, then what do I care?
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Part of me thinks we already have too many carveouts.
The other part of me thinks at some point we will reach so many carveouts that the only political tenable solution will be to scrap the whole thing.
At the end of the day, it is simple vote buying and if it bought Trump's election or keeps Congress red, then what do I care?
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (sX1BW)
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ATC is warring with NTB at the moment.
Battle of the Network Three Letter Personalities.
She has a point though and the bee person, Seth or one of his minions is being obstinate.
Battle of the Network Three Letter Personalities.
She has a point though and the bee person, Seth or one of his minions is being obstinate.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (cduTK)
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Wait, which Pritzker are we talking about? The one I'm thinking about has no interest in women, or adults in general.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (t0Rmr)
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Elon Musk is disgusted, and is leaving DOGE.
Oh god, not this again. It was announced last December that Elon would only be at DOGE through May. The MFM keeps trying to portray him leaving in May as some kind of victory for Democrats.
Oh god, not this again. It was announced last December that Elon would only be at DOGE through May. The MFM keeps trying to portray him leaving in May as some kind of victory for Democrats.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (2ocoG)
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So a waiter at a high end restaurant making 6 figures really should pay no taxes. But someone making $16 an hour at McDonald’s absolutely should pay taxes.
I suppose that makes sense.
The myth of the poor single mother struggling to get by as a waitress is as pervasive as the poor struggling u repaid teacher. People who work for tips make decent money. Some make a ton of money. Bartenders at nightclubs in places like Las Vegas make $150k easy. All tip income. Same with caddies at country clubs. Waiter at expensive restaurants. The list is long.
They somehow are special and pay no income tax. But an accountant or engineer at making $150k a year will pay taxes.
Because….reasons.
I suppose that makes sense.
The myth of the poor single mother struggling to get by as a waitress is as pervasive as the poor struggling u repaid teacher. People who work for tips make decent money. Some make a ton of money. Bartenders at nightclubs in places like Las Vegas make $150k easy. All tip income. Same with caddies at country clubs. Waiter at expensive restaurants. The list is long.
They somehow are special and pay no income tax. But an accountant or engineer at making $150k a year will pay taxes.
Because….reasons.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (7YTFo)
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1. Then don’t bitch.
2. Then don’t bitch.
3. Quit telling me how conservative OK is because “all our counties vote red”.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:42 PM (bWcp9)
John Cornyn is one of my Senators. I don't bitch about other people's assholes.
2. Then don’t bitch.
3. Quit telling me how conservative OK is because “all our counties vote red”.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:42 PM (bWcp9)
John Cornyn is one of my Senators. I don't bitch about other people's assholes.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (ExV1e)
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The only way the size government will be cut is if Mars Attacks.
Posted by: wth
If the CIA, etc. could, they'd engineer it.
Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (mlg/3)
That'll stimulate the economy too!
Posted by: wth
If the CIA, etc. could, they'd engineer it.
Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (mlg/3)
That'll stimulate the economy too!
Posted by: Paul Krugman at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (B9Prs)
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1. Then don’t bitch.
2. Then don’t bitch.
3. Quit telling me how conservative OK is because “all our counties vote red”.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:42 PM (bWcp9)
We're still a lot more conservative than your fucked up state.
2. Then don’t bitch.
3. Quit telling me how conservative OK is because “all our counties vote red”.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:42 PM (bWcp9)
We're still a lot more conservative than your fucked up state.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 22, 2025 01:57 PM (g8Ew8)
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Soooper Principled Conservative Warrior is butthurt that waiters will have untaxed income. TAX THEM ALL, huh?
Anyone else you want to tax? My kid is doing a lemonade stand next month. Fucker is getting a free ride, right?
Anyone else you want to tax? My kid is doing a lemonade stand next month. Fucker is getting a free ride, right?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 22, 2025 01:57 PM (oUlN5)
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Veep can remind court that positions don't have to be filled.
Trump's picks weren't that good. Original court had six.
Posted by: torabora
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Maybe they offer him something - so long as Trump doesn't do this, we can vote this way. Backroom deals simple politics. There is no reason to think that some sort of deal can't be made here.
Or maybe it is simply a nice visit.
Posted by: SH
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Hm, if I were Roberts and Vance had indicated these would be the topics, I'd tell the butler to say I'm not at home. And I'd be sitting right in the bay window staring out at Vance the whole time.
But I do rather hope Vance gets his visit and laughs lightly about the prospect of Trump's very special Supreme Court -- it goes to ELEVEN. Get it?
Veep can remind court that positions don't have to be filled.
Trump's picks weren't that good. Original court had six.
Posted by: torabora
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Maybe they offer him something - so long as Trump doesn't do this, we can vote this way. Backroom deals simple politics. There is no reason to think that some sort of deal can't be made here.
Or maybe it is simply a nice visit.
Posted by: SH
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Hm, if I were Roberts and Vance had indicated these would be the topics, I'd tell the butler to say I'm not at home. And I'd be sitting right in the bay window staring out at Vance the whole time.
But I do rather hope Vance gets his visit and laughs lightly about the prospect of Trump's very special Supreme Court -- it goes to ELEVEN. Get it?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 22, 2025 01:57 PM (n7rxJ)
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Could we bribe the politicians to cut spending?
Posted by: Oglebay at May 22, 2025 01:57 PM (2ap+5)
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Overtime, tax free is bullshit as well. Overtime is basically a bonus. So salaried bonuses are taxed but hourly bonuses are not. Again where’s the logic in this?
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The rust belt states went for Trump because of this.
Salaried bonuses are taxed until we figure out how to stop CEOs from getting 100K salaries but bonuses of $50 million for running their companies into the ground
you want those to get tax cuts?
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The rust belt states went for Trump because of this.
Salaried bonuses are taxed until we figure out how to stop CEOs from getting 100K salaries but bonuses of $50 million for running their companies into the ground
you want those to get tax cuts?
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxed Ranger - Uplifting The Wagshambas of Freedom at May 22, 2025 01:57 PM (HYKHz)
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DEmocrat consultant on Fox beclowned herself about FJB's cratering and the coverup and powergrab, several minutes ago.
Today's Democrat talking points are:
A. The American public made its choice about Joe Biden. He was not reelected.
B. The media did cover Biden's health issues. Reporters asked a number of questions about Biden's health at Daily White House Press Briefings.
So, today's Democrat Party messaging about FJB: Let's move on!
Today's Democrat talking points are:
A. The American public made its choice about Joe Biden. He was not reelected.
B. The media did cover Biden's health issues. Reporters asked a number of questions about Biden's health at Daily White House Press Briefings.
So, today's Democrat Party messaging about FJB: Let's move on!
Posted by: Gref at May 22, 2025 01:57 PM (aBgBM)
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With a few exceptions in a handful of states, waiters make $2/hr as their “wage”.
The lowest nationally is $2.13 an hour, but most states offer more -- some MUCH more such as $16.66 in Washington.
But saying its unfair that someone being pad 2.13 an hour gets tax free wages to make up for that tiny amount is just odd.
The lowest nationally is $2.13 an hour, but most states offer more -- some MUCH more such as $16.66 in Washington.
But saying its unfair that someone being pad 2.13 an hour gets tax free wages to make up for that tiny amount is just odd.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 01:58 PM (2VST1)
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No tax on tips probably means more people get off their butt and go work.
All kinds of employees depend on tips to supplement their income: valet parking, casino dealers, etc.
And, I believe tips are pooled in a lot of places. Kind of nice to just split the pool without having to worry about taxes.
All kinds of employees depend on tips to supplement their income: valet parking, casino dealers, etc.
And, I believe tips are pooled in a lot of places. Kind of nice to just split the pool without having to worry about taxes.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 22, 2025 01:58 PM (tT6L1)
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236 There was a libertarian thing about leaving a note to the waiter that the money left on the table is a gift and not subject to taxation.
Posted by: Oglebay at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (2ap+5)
Yeah but libertarians only know about drugs.
Posted by: Oglebay at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (2ap+5)
Yeah but libertarians only know about drugs.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:58 PM (bWcp9)
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We still haven't seen Nancy Mace nudes yet.
Posted by: torabora
That's in the Bigger Beautiful Bill.
We still haven't seen Nancy Mace nudes yet.
Posted by: torabora
That's in the Bigger Beautiful Bill.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2025 01:58 PM (63Dwl)
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They grow up so quickly these days.
Georgia teen writes $545,000 in counterfeit checks to pay legal fees for previous fraud case
Georgia teen writes $545,000 in counterfeit checks to pay legal fees for previous fraud case
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 22, 2025 01:58 PM (L/fGl)
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The point of tax and spending policy at this point should be to reward MAGA voting constituencies and hurt Dem voting ones.
Twenty years of "conservative economics" got us Joe Biden spending $8T a year on trannies, illegals, and favored clients.
Twenty years of "conservative economics" got us Joe Biden spending $8T a year on trannies, illegals, and favored clients.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 22, 2025 01:59 PM (t0Rmr)
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The Reagan cuts were across the board massive rate reductions. It’s doable. Just needs a will to do it.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:51 PM (7YTFo)
all politics is vote buying, even when there is a supreme leader who has the power of life and death, that's my point.
The question is only who the government has to keep sweet to stay in power.
I am being a jackass today, so I apologize for the tone.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:51 PM (7YTFo)
all politics is vote buying, even when there is a supreme leader who has the power of life and death, that's my point.
The question is only who the government has to keep sweet to stay in power.
I am being a jackass today, so I apologize for the tone.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 22, 2025 01:59 PM (D7oie)
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Prediction: Dining establishments report a serious uptick in table stealing.
Posted by: mrp at May 22, 2025 01:59 PM (rj6Yv)
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248 Could we bribe the politicians to cut spending?
Posted by: Oglebay at May 22, 2025 01:57 PM (2ap+5)
The counter-bribes are going to be much much higher.
Posted by: Oglebay at May 22, 2025 01:57 PM (2ap+5)
The counter-bribes are going to be much much higher.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at May 22, 2025 01:59 PM (6ydKt)
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Bartenders at nightclubs in places like Las Vegas make $150k easy. All tip income. Same with caddies at country clubs. Waiter at expensive restaurants. The list is long.
Dude. Some writers make millions of dollars a year, that doesn't make writing books a lucrative profession.
Dude. Some writers make millions of dollars a year, that doesn't make writing books a lucrative profession.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 01:59 PM (2VST1)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 22, 2025 02:00 PM (63Dwl)
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And apparently SOOPER GENIUS ABSOLUTE CONSERVATIVE is now an expert on income distributions in the food service and hospitality industries, so much so that he can assert an opinion and expect it to be taken as fact.
Just like when he said that Samuelson etc wrote something in the text Economics that didn't actually happen to be there.
Shit. SOOPER GENIUS CONSERVATIVE arguing for more taxes on people.
Just like when he said that Samuelson etc wrote something in the text Economics that didn't actually happen to be there.
Shit. SOOPER GENIUS CONSERVATIVE arguing for more taxes on people.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 22, 2025 02:00 PM (oUlN5)
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My peeps are you seriously thinking some magical future recision bill will materialize and cut spending? If so I have some lovely beachfront condos in Nevada for sale. The views Are incredible. Call me.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
Do the condos have new appliances and open concept kitchens? Also upgraded bathrooms with double sink vanities?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
Do the condos have new appliances and open concept kitchens? Also upgraded bathrooms with double sink vanities?
Posted by: David Bromstad, Gay Realtor at May 22, 2025 02:00 PM (v0R5T)
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And, I believe tips are pooled in a lot of places. Kind of nice to just split the pool without having to worry about taxes.
And it is a fairly recent thing to tax tips in any case. All the fears of what horrors will be unleashed if this passes are sort of silly.
And it is a fairly recent thing to tax tips in any case. All the fears of what horrors will be unleashed if this passes are sort of silly.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:01 PM (2VST1)
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Soooper Principled Conservative Warrior is butthurt that waiters will have untaxed income. TAX THEM ALL, huh?
Anyone else you want to tax? My kid is doing a lemonade stand next month. Fucker is getting a free ride, right?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 22, 2025 01:57 PM (oUlN5)
Careful around the strawman you made it’ll catch fire if you’re not careful.
Anyone else you want to tax? My kid is doing a lemonade stand next month. Fucker is getting a free ride, right?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 22, 2025 01:57 PM (oUlN5)
Careful around the strawman you made it’ll catch fire if you’re not careful.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:01 PM (7YTFo)
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Yeah but libertarians only know about drugs.
I just saw an ad for Reason magazine having a conference or something about legalizing all drugs, no strings attached.
I just saw an ad for Reason magazine having a conference or something about legalizing all drugs, no strings attached.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 22, 2025 02:01 PM (2ocoG)
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I want everyone to get tax cuts. Taxes are garbage and government money isn't real.
Well everyone but libs. Every person who isn't a lib can get a tax cut since libs love their taxes so much.
Well everyone but libs. Every person who isn't a lib can get a tax cut since libs love their taxes so much.
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 02:01 PM (VIxhi)
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Cut spending across the board until you are spending less than you took in last year.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 02:02 PM (xcxpd)
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Dude. Some writers make millions of dollars a year, that doesn't make writing books a lucrative profession.
Add some women forced to be Handmaids, an evil Christian Grey figure to force himself on them, some Harlequin romance style "romance", and some stupid resistance plot and not only will you have a best seller, Netflix and Amazon will pay to turn your books into a mini-series.
Add some women forced to be Handmaids, an evil Christian Grey figure to force himself on them, some Harlequin romance style "romance", and some stupid resistance plot and not only will you have a best seller, Netflix and Amazon will pay to turn your books into a mini-series.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 22, 2025 02:02 PM (t0Rmr)
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We're still a lot more conservative than your fucked up state.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 22, 2025 01:57 PM (g8Ew
Your bigotry knows no end! Good to know. And my fucked up state for some reason is the #1 place to do business for DECADES.
Don’t get all butthurt that people aren’t exactly making a beeline to OK. I will even grant the courtesy to you that you refuse to grant to me or others: I like OK on the whole. Hell, as I type I’m about 40 miles away.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 22, 2025 01:57 PM (g8Ew
Your bigotry knows no end! Good to know. And my fucked up state for some reason is the #1 place to do business for DECADES.
Don’t get all butthurt that people aren’t exactly making a beeline to OK. I will even grant the courtesy to you that you refuse to grant to me or others: I like OK on the whole. Hell, as I type I’m about 40 miles away.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 02:02 PM (bWcp9)
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Chuck Schumer sure thinks about children a lot.
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 02:02 PM (VIxhi)
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231 >> I doubt Pritzker and Abrams could 69. Their respective belly's would keep their mouths away fromm each other's private parts
Like a farmer dangling a carrot from a stick, just out of reach of the mule’s mouth..
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (l3YAf)
lol!
Like a farmer dangling a carrot from a stick, just out of reach of the mule’s mouth..
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (l3YAf)
lol!
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 22, 2025 02:02 PM (KnTox)
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Post 200
They might as well be Boomers...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 22, 2025 01:50 PM (7fElN)
I laughed. Thanks.
They might as well be Boomers...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 22, 2025 01:50 PM (7fElN)
I laughed. Thanks.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 22, 2025 02:02 PM (vH+pq)
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I just saw an ad for Reason magazine having a conference or something about legalizing all drugs, no strings attached.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 22, 2025 02:01 PM (2ocoG)
It worked so well for Portland
Posted by: Ian S. at May 22, 2025 02:01 PM (2ocoG)
It worked so well for Portland
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 02:02 PM (xcxpd)
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If you tax in cash you are effectively bypassing taxes, because unreported (non credit card) tipping is just taxed at a presumed average which is usually lower than a good waitress can expect.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:02 PM (2VST1)
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Get rid of SALT for one reason: to show the true cost of government across the board. On all levels: federal, state and local.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (bWcp9)
I already know the true cost of government, I just don’t want to pay for it. I didn’t vote for it, why should I pay it?
The whole “shifting tax burdens” thing is silly, too. That’s the primary thing FedGov does. I pay for old people’s healthcare and social security in Texas and California. That’s dumb. I want that to stop.
Also, people seem to think SALT is solely a blue state thing. I live in a very red state with one of the lowest tax burdens in the country, but my state and local taxes can exceed $10k /year, so I like the SALT deduction.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 01:55 PM (bWcp9)
I already know the true cost of government, I just don’t want to pay for it. I didn’t vote for it, why should I pay it?
The whole “shifting tax burdens” thing is silly, too. That’s the primary thing FedGov does. I pay for old people’s healthcare and social security in Texas and California. That’s dumb. I want that to stop.
Also, people seem to think SALT is solely a blue state thing. I live in a very red state with one of the lowest tax burdens in the country, but my state and local taxes can exceed $10k /year, so I like the SALT deduction.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 02:02 PM (l3YAf)
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Everytime Schumer complains about something Republicans do , they should block at him and say "Chuck, we're moving on"
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 22, 2025 02:02 PM (Dh9UM)
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Soooper Principled Conservative Warrior is butthurt that waiters will have untaxed income. TAX THEM ALL, huh?
Anyone else you want to tax? My kid is doing a lemonade stand next month. Fucker is getting a free ride, right?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 22, 2025 01:57 PM (oUlN5)
Careful around the strawman you made it’ll catch fire if you’re not careful.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:01 PM (7YTFo)
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Says the guy comparing rare high end waiter jobs to the vast majority of service jobs, not to mention just flat making shit up.
Careful around your own strawmen otherwise people won't take you seriously. OOOPS TOO LATE!!!
Anyone else you want to tax? My kid is doing a lemonade stand next month. Fucker is getting a free ride, right?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 22, 2025 01:57 PM (oUlN5)
Careful around the strawman you made it’ll catch fire if you’re not careful.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:01 PM (7YTFo)
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Says the guy comparing rare high end waiter jobs to the vast majority of service jobs, not to mention just flat making shit up.
Careful around your own strawmen otherwise people won't take you seriously. OOOPS TOO LATE!!!
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 22, 2025 02:03 PM (oUlN5)
Posted by: If We're Being Honest at May 22, 2025 02:03 PM (qFqzC)
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Why is WitchDoctor so upset about this? You’re taking it very personally. Are you a waiter per chance?
I get it you want the free income. I would do. But it’s a stupid way to tax people based on their job. What’s next no taxes for garbage men? How about no taxes for teachers? You know that shits coming right?
I get it you want the free income. I would do. But it’s a stupid way to tax people based on their job. What’s next no taxes for garbage men? How about no taxes for teachers? You know that shits coming right?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:03 PM (7YTFo)
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There’s nothing beautiful about stripping away people’s healthcare, forcing kids to go hungry, denying communities the resources they need, and increasing poverty.
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Sloganeering, sloganeering, sloganeering, and sloganeering.
Next time a Democrat actually tells you what specifically they're against or for will be the first.
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Sloganeering, sloganeering, sloganeering, and sloganeering.
Next time a Democrat actually tells you what specifically they're against or for will be the first.
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 02:03 PM (VIxhi)
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Chuck Schumer sure thinks about children a lot.
That entity that he argued with after it stole his seat told him they need more children. Many more children....but didn't tell him why yet.
That entity that he argued with after it stole his seat told him they need more children. Many more children....but didn't tell him why yet.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 22, 2025 02:03 PM (t0Rmr)
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Kamala said that unlike Trump she wanted to help people by helping people.
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 02:04 PM (VIxhi)
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Sorry I'm late- the Uber guy wouldn't take rubles...
does anyone thing the BBB will survive the Senate?
does anyone thing the BBB will survive the Senate?
Posted by: Don Black at May 22, 2025 02:04 PM (AOsQT)
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Hope he has a nice long chat with Sotomayor.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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The D in JD stands for Death
Hope he has a nice long chat with Sotomayor.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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The D in JD stands for Death
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at May 22, 2025 02:04 PM (0JWOm)
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I want everyone to get tax cuts. Taxes are garbage and government money isn't real.
Yeah the whole "they shouldn't get tax cuts cause someone else doesn't" argument just holds no weight with me, especially if its based on ignorance.
Yeah the whole "they shouldn't get tax cuts cause someone else doesn't" argument just holds no weight with me, especially if its based on ignorance.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:04 PM (2VST1)
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I didn't catch this earlier but a Cessna business jet taking off from Wichita KS and headed to Ca. crashed into a San Diego suburb on approach earlier this morning. It doesn't look like anyone living in the suburb was injured but details are sketchy.
Posted by: banana Dream at May 22, 2025 02:04 PM (cduTK)
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"No Tax on tips is retarded."
People will start requesting their paycheck be given to them as a "tip" for their hard labor.
People will start requesting their paycheck be given to them as a "tip" for their hard labor.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 22, 2025 02:04 PM (vbXSk)
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Annual bonuses are tips, right?
Posted by: Oglebay at May 22, 2025 02:05 PM (2ap+5)
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But it’s a stupid way to tax people based on their job. What’s next no taxes for garbage men? How about no taxes for teachers? You know that shits coming right?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:03 PM (7YTFo)
The reason "no tax on tips" is retarded is that unscrupulous employers, read Punjabis and Gujaratis, will now pay their employees I mean cousins in "tips".
They might get some token minimum-wage salary so they don't run afoul of those laws or just plain Amendment XIII, but the main moneys will be in "tips".
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:03 PM (7YTFo)
The reason "no tax on tips" is retarded is that unscrupulous employers, read Punjabis and Gujaratis, will now pay their employees I mean cousins in "tips".
They might get some token minimum-wage salary so they don't run afoul of those laws or just plain Amendment XIII, but the main moneys will be in "tips".
Posted by: gKWVE at May 22, 2025 02:05 PM (gKWVE)
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279 Tips aren't even earned income.
They are gifts and should be treated as such.
Posted by: If We're Being Honest at May 22, 2025 02:03 PM (qFqzC)
Depends on the job. Some jobs, tips are the income.
They are gifts and should be treated as such.
Posted by: If We're Being Honest at May 22, 2025 02:03 PM (qFqzC)
Depends on the job. Some jobs, tips are the income.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 02:05 PM (xcxpd)
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Thank you, Chris and Chris!!!
Posted by: Brunnhilde at May 22, 2025 02:05 PM (3AwA+)
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Honestly the best part of "no tax on tips" is that the next time the Dems control congress they'll be pushing to bring those taxes back. For the little guy...you know?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 22, 2025 02:05 PM (t0Rmr)
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People will start requesting their paycheck be given to them as a "tip" for their hard labor.
Literally illegal at the state and federal level.
Literally illegal at the state and federal level.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:06 PM (2VST1)
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Ace,
Thanks as always for your work. If you're reading this, could we perhaps please get a mid afternoon. Cafe thread? ASHQ Insult factory employees need some cute animals to chill with.
Thanks as always for your work. If you're reading this, could we perhaps please get a mid afternoon. Cafe thread? ASHQ Insult factory employees need some cute animals to chill with.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 22, 2025 02:06 PM (vH+pq)
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Any truth to the rumor that Joe Mannix (nac) was an intern for Nancy Mace?
Asking for a friend...
Asking for a friend...
Posted by: Diogenes at May 22, 2025 02:06 PM (W/lyH)
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Why is WitchDoctor so upset about this? You’re taking it very personally. Are you a waiter per chance?
I get it you want the free income. I would do. But it’s a stupid way to tax people based on their job. What’s next no taxes for garbage men? How about no taxes for teachers? You know that shits coming right?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:03 PM (7YTFo)
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Ahh, the fallacy of turning personal on someone.
How about I just skip the pretense of assigning you bad motives and just tell you to go fuck yourself repeatedly with a branding iron? Your schtick was worn out months ago.
Cocksmoker. Can't argue on the merits so you have to try to get nasty? Guess you're angry that gay web-bois like you still have to pay tax on your meager subscription income.
I get it you want the free income. I would do. But it’s a stupid way to tax people based on their job. What’s next no taxes for garbage men? How about no taxes for teachers? You know that shits coming right?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:03 PM (7YTFo)
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Ahh, the fallacy of turning personal on someone.
How about I just skip the pretense of assigning you bad motives and just tell you to go fuck yourself repeatedly with a branding iron? Your schtick was worn out months ago.
Cocksmoker. Can't argue on the merits so you have to try to get nasty? Guess you're angry that gay web-bois like you still have to pay tax on your meager subscription income.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 22, 2025 02:06 PM (oUlN5)
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In my State your Employer can deduct for taxes based on minimum wage even though they only pay $2.13. Waiters could pay taxes on tips they never receive. No wonder the service sucks.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 02:06 PM (oURrP)
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They are no real.spending cuts in the near term?? I thought I heard it was the same old shit, we will cut 1 trillion over 10 years starting 5 years from now or something?
It's simple. If you spend more than you bring in you are in the red. You should spend less than you bring in, and use the surplus to retire debt. It will take forever but the salutatory effect of retiring debt to something that resembles a manageable interest payment burden would be wise. Of course completely impossible to achieve via the psychopaths in congress.
It's simple. If you spend more than you bring in you are in the red. You should spend less than you bring in, and use the surplus to retire debt. It will take forever but the salutatory effect of retiring debt to something that resembles a manageable interest payment burden would be wise. Of course completely impossible to achieve via the psychopaths in congress.
Posted by: Oh, that's right, we're screwed at May 22, 2025 02:06 PM (EFVMJ)
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286 I want everyone to get tax cuts. Taxes are garbage and government money isn't real.
Yeah the whole "they shouldn't get tax cuts cause someone else doesn't" argument just holds no weight with me, especially if its based on ignorance.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:04 PM (2VST1)
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Deficit spending on interest on the debt will be over $1 trillion again this year.
The Federal government borrows one out of every three dollars it spends.
The idea that taxation has anything to do with federal spending is such a wildly outdated concept, it might have actually been only applicable in Andrew Jackson's presidency.
Yeah the whole "they shouldn't get tax cuts cause someone else doesn't" argument just holds no weight with me, especially if its based on ignorance.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:04 PM (2VST1)
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Deficit spending on interest on the debt will be over $1 trillion again this year.
The Federal government borrows one out of every three dollars it spends.
The idea that taxation has anything to do with federal spending is such a wildly outdated concept, it might have actually been only applicable in Andrew Jackson's presidency.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 02:06 PM (GBKbO)
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They somehow are special and pay no income tax. But an accountant or engineer at making $150k a year will pay taxes.
Because….reasons.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (7YTFo)
I never took you to be a socialist, with a goal of ensuring equity of outcomes.
Because that appears to be your reasons.
Because….reasons.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (7YTFo)
I never took you to be a socialist, with a goal of ensuring equity of outcomes.
Because that appears to be your reasons.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 22, 2025 02:06 PM (D7oie)
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288 "No Tax on tips is retarded."
People will start requesting their paycheck be given to them as a "tip" for their hard labor.
wwii:
- out: wage increases
- in: employee benefits
2025:
- out: wages
- in: tips
People will start requesting their paycheck be given to them as a "tip" for their hard labor.
wwii:
- out: wage increases
- in: employee benefits
2025:
- out: wages
- in: tips
Posted by: anachronda at May 22, 2025 02:06 PM (sGtp+)
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anyone mention this already? seen in a wsj news email:
Kim Jong Un’s New Warship Capsizes At Launch Due To ‘Absolute Carelessness’
Kim Jong Un’s New Warship Capsizes At Launch Due To ‘Absolute Carelessness’
Posted by: gnats local 675 at May 22, 2025 02:06 PM (CWTWj)
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You guys are so CUTE! Now gimme some love. *hugs everyone*
Now let me tell you a little about this Nevada Beachfront condo...
Now let me tell you a little about this Nevada Beachfront condo...
Posted by: David Bromstad, Gay Realtor at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (v0R5T)
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And it is a fairly recent thing to tax tips in any case. All the fears of what horrors will be unleashed if this passes are sort of silly.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:01 PM (2VST1)
When you notice that some people pick a topic in every thread and then complain about how it's going incessantly, it all make sense.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:01 PM (2VST1)
When you notice that some people pick a topic in every thread and then complain about how it's going incessantly, it all make sense.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (ExV1e)
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The reason "no tax on tips" is retarded is that unscrupulous employers, read Punjabis and Gujaratis, will now pay their employees I mean cousins in "tips".
They might get some token minimum-wage salary so they don't run afoul of those laws or just plain Amendment XIII, but the main moneys will be in "tips".
Saw a video where an Indian guy was suggesting that you hire your elderly parents if you are taking care of them anyway so that the salary you pay them comes right off of your earned income.
I assume it breaks some law somewhere because free financial advice is worth every penny it costs.
They might get some token minimum-wage salary so they don't run afoul of those laws or just plain Amendment XIII, but the main moneys will be in "tips".
Saw a video where an Indian guy was suggesting that you hire your elderly parents if you are taking care of them anyway so that the salary you pay them comes right off of your earned income.
I assume it breaks some law somewhere because free financial advice is worth every penny it costs.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (t0Rmr)
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There was a libertarian thing about leaving a note to the waiter that the money left on the table is a gift and not subject to taxation.
Posted by: Oglebay at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (2ap+5)
Yes, but now the note says “Fiat currency isn’t real money” and has a QR code where they can learn about investing in cryptocurrency.
That’s a tip that’s worth its weight in gold.
Posted by: Oglebay at May 22, 2025 01:56 PM (2ap+5)
Yes, but now the note says “Fiat currency isn’t real money” and has a QR code where they can learn about investing in cryptocurrency.
That’s a tip that’s worth its weight in gold.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (l3YAf)
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This. DOGE is still there, and Musk can go back there next year for another130 days.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 22, 2025 01:35 PM (aS92P)
And DOGE can ask advice, or get resources from him regardless.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 22, 2025 01:35 PM (aS92P)
And DOGE can ask advice, or get resources from him regardless.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (8avO+)
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If a business just takes part of its earnings and calls them tips, that is called "fraud" and gets both the IRS and the local, state, and federal government angry at them. Those people end up in jail.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (2VST1)
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How about no taxes for teachers?
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How about taxing teacher contributions to the teacher's union.
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How about taxing teacher contributions to the teacher's union.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (sX1BW)
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Give me you clothes, your boots, and you motorcycle.
@winningatmylife
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Trump administration terminates Harvard's student visa program.
@winningatmylife
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Trump administration terminates Harvard's student visa program.
Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (mlg/3)
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People will start requesting their paycheck be given to them as a "tip" for their hard labor.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 22, 2025 02:04 PM (vbXSk)
Absolutely. Same with “overtime”. It’s easy to write a contract where your base salary is $100 a week and 1 hour a week of overtime is $1000/hr. Voila,
90% of your income is now tax free.
CPAs are gonna make a killing with this.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 22, 2025 02:04 PM (vbXSk)
Absolutely. Same with “overtime”. It’s easy to write a contract where your base salary is $100 a week and 1 hour a week of overtime is $1000/hr. Voila,
90% of your income is now tax free.
CPAs are gonna make a killing with this.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (7YTFo)
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311 Give me you clothes, your boots, and you motorcycle.
@winningatmylife
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Trump administration terminates Harvard's student visa program.
Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (mlg/3)
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That's not as big a blow as the grant cuts, but it's not small.
@winningatmylife
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Trump administration terminates Harvard's student visa program.
Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (mlg/3)
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That's not as big a blow as the grant cuts, but it's not small.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 02:08 PM (GBKbO)
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Kim Jong Un’s New Warship Capsizes At Launch Due To ‘Absolute Carelessness’
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The NorKs just can't buy a break.
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The NorKs just can't buy a break.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 22, 2025 02:09 PM (L/fGl)
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“I already know the true cost of government, I just don’t want to pay for it. I didn’t vote for it, why should I pay it.?”
Apparently you don’t as you like the SALT deduction. (I bet you do less than zero to participate in government to make your thoughts known and still bitch about it.) The loss of the SALT deduction might force you and other like you to actually get off your ass and DEMAND the same level of efficiency you demand of, say, Apple or Samsung. THAT is what I want. For these same assholes who make your life hell on the fed level come from the state and local level.
By the way, there are lots of things I didn’t vote for but have to deal with. Just because I think the drinking age should be 18 doesn’t mean I tell the cop who is arresting me for helping people below 21 procure their alcohol “I didn’t vote for your stupid law so you better let me go.” That will not go very well.
Apparently you don’t as you like the SALT deduction. (I bet you do less than zero to participate in government to make your thoughts known and still bitch about it.) The loss of the SALT deduction might force you and other like you to actually get off your ass and DEMAND the same level of efficiency you demand of, say, Apple or Samsung. THAT is what I want. For these same assholes who make your life hell on the fed level come from the state and local level.
By the way, there are lots of things I didn’t vote for but have to deal with. Just because I think the drinking age should be 18 doesn’t mean I tell the cop who is arresting me for helping people below 21 procure their alcohol “I didn’t vote for your stupid law so you better let me go.” That will not go very well.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 02:09 PM (bWcp9)
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Stripers will not be subject to the income tax.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 02:09 PM (oURrP)
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309 If a business just takes part of its earnings and calls them tips, that is called "fraud" and gets both the IRS and the local, state, and federal government angry at them. Those people end up in jail.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (2VST1)
My client really loved the work John did on his account. He tipped John $50k in lieu of me paying John $50k salary.
How’s that any different than how a waiter is paid?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (2VST1)
My client really loved the work John did on his account. He tipped John $50k in lieu of me paying John $50k salary.
How’s that any different than how a waiter is paid?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:09 PM (7YTFo)
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>> I never took you to be a socialist, with a goal of ensuring equity of outcomes.
Sounds like he’s an anti-socialist since he’s against government using tax policy to pick winners and losers.
Sounds like he’s an anti-socialist since he’s against government using tax policy to pick winners and losers.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (l3YAf)
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I don't know why people want tips taxed?
1. Income taxes are theft and retarded
B. As evidenced by DOGE, 90% of taxes just get wasted anyway
1. Income taxes are theft and retarded
B. As evidenced by DOGE, 90% of taxes just get wasted anyway
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (0JWOm)
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Alternatively we could just, you know, stop tipping.
This isn't a worldwide custom and it's not a law.
Make the restaurants pay wages.
Pay higher prices to eat out, as a result.
Seems like an even deal.
Because the way it is now high tippers are paying for low or no tippers.
That won't happen in No Tipping Allowed World.
There also won't be anymore screens around guilt-tripping you into that 18% tip.
This isn't a worldwide custom and it's not a law.
Make the restaurants pay wages.
Pay higher prices to eat out, as a result.
Seems like an even deal.
Because the way it is now high tippers are paying for low or no tippers.
That won't happen in No Tipping Allowed World.
There also won't be anymore screens around guilt-tripping you into that 18% tip.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (6ydKt)
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When I was young and stupid I interned for a local NGO (that actually did something positive).
My manager was a very attractive women maybe around 30.
She always found time to tell me about her home life...specifically how she was a nudist and all the problems that caused her. Looking back on it now she was coming on to me pretty hard but uh...I was young and stupid.
I mean I was totally sexually harassed and should have sued the pants off her. Well...if she had pants.
My manager was a very attractive women maybe around 30.
She always found time to tell me about her home life...specifically how she was a nudist and all the problems that caused her. Looking back on it now she was coming on to me pretty hard but uh...I was young and stupid.
I mean I was totally sexually harassed and should have sued the pants off her. Well...if she had pants.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (t0Rmr)
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Depends on the job. Some jobs, tips are the income.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 02:05 PM (xcxpd)
More tips won't push an employee into a higher tax bracket. The achievers are going to work their butts off for that do re mi.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 02:05 PM (xcxpd)
More tips won't push an employee into a higher tax bracket. The achievers are going to work their butts off for that do re mi.
Posted by: mrp at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (rj6Yv)
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What do the centrist brag about that doesn't give themselves away?
Posted by: Dreamingrobot at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (J8LnB)
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Kim Jong Un’s New Warship Capsizes At Launch Due To ‘Absolute Carelessness’
Its almost as if reducing education to propaganda and forcing your people to eat tree bark doesn't pay off.
Its almost as if reducing education to propaganda and forcing your people to eat tree bark doesn't pay off.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (2VST1)
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Conservatives: Out of touch Republicans need to find a sensible way to appeal to the average working person!!!
Trump: Ok. How about this?
Conservatives: No, no, I don't like that.
Trump: Ok. How about this?
Conservatives: No, no, I don't like that.
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (VIxhi)
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$15/hr is $36k per year if you work 300 days/yr. What is your income tax burden?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (Dv3i1)
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Love love your tattoos!
Posted by: David Bromstad, Gay Realtor at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (v0R5T)
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279 Tips aren't even earned income.
They are gifts and should be treated as such.
Posted by: If We're Being Honest at May 22, 2025 02:03 PM (qFqzC)
IIRC, gifts are taxable at the donor level, not the recipient. That said, it kind of makes sense to me to do this.
Slightly off-topic: we are never going to save our way into getting out of debt - we've got to find a way to turbocharge the economy such that we grow our way out of it. I wonder if this BBB does that.
They are gifts and should be treated as such.
Posted by: If We're Being Honest at May 22, 2025 02:03 PM (qFqzC)
IIRC, gifts are taxable at the donor level, not the recipient. That said, it kind of makes sense to me to do this.
Slightly off-topic: we are never going to save our way into getting out of debt - we've got to find a way to turbocharge the economy such that we grow our way out of it. I wonder if this BBB does that.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 22, 2025 02:11 PM (KnTox)
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Government workers don't pay taxes, at least not in a real sense.
Since all of their income is derived from taxes, any income tax paid is just a discount to their government handout.
It's like filling your plate to heaping at the all you can eat buffet and then putting some back.
Since all of their income is derived from taxes, any income tax paid is just a discount to their government handout.
It's like filling your plate to heaping at the all you can eat buffet and then putting some back.
Posted by: If We're Being Honest at May 22, 2025 02:11 PM (qFqzC)
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Trump administration terminates Harvard's student visa program.
Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (mlg/3)
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That seems huge to me -- if I understand it to mean that the State Dept won't approve student visas for Harvard-bound foreigners anymore.
Trump administration terminates Harvard's student visa program.
Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (mlg/3)
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That seems huge to me -- if I understand it to mean that the State Dept won't approve student visas for Harvard-bound foreigners anymore.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 22, 2025 02:11 PM (n7rxJ)
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Give me you clothes, your boots, and you motorcycle.
@winningatmylife
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4m
Trump administration terminates Harvard's student visa program.
Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (mlg/3)
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That's not as big a blow as the grant cuts, but it's not small.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 02:08 PM (GBKbO)\
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Might be bigger long-term, though. What percent of Harvard's student body is foreigners on student visas paying exorbitant sums to Harvard? How many are foreign spies or spies in waiting?
@winningatmylife
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Trump administration terminates Harvard's student visa program.
Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (mlg/3)
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That's not as big a blow as the grant cuts, but it's not small.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 02:08 PM (GBKbO)\
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Might be bigger long-term, though. What percent of Harvard's student body is foreigners on student visas paying exorbitant sums to Harvard? How many are foreign spies or spies in waiting?
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 22, 2025 02:11 PM (iFTx/)
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Vast majority of tips went unreported and untaxed until 1982, and a lot it is probably still that way. This isn't going to have huge issues.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at May 22, 2025 02:11 PM (okun6)
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Sounds like he’s an anti-socialist since he’s against government using tax policy to pick winners and losers.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (l3YAf)
Ding ding ding ding
Sounds like he’s an anti-socialist since he’s against government using tax policy to pick winners and losers.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (l3YAf)
Ding ding ding ding
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:11 PM (7YTFo)
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If Trump offered no taxes on punditry and twitter yakking we'd suddenly find the like of Jonah Goldberg talking about how reasonable such a policy is...
Posted by: 18-1 at May 22, 2025 02:11 PM (t0Rmr)
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310 How about no taxes for teachers?
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How about taxing teacher contributions to the teacher's union.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (sX1BW)
The year I did teaching, I paid zero Social Security taxes. (I didn’t know that was a thing.) I did not belong to a union and refused to join one as I see union membership as completely immoral as my paycheck consisted of property taxes.
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How about taxing teacher contributions to the teacher's union.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (sX1BW)
The year I did teaching, I paid zero Social Security taxes. (I didn’t know that was a thing.) I did not belong to a union and refused to join one as I see union membership as completely immoral as my paycheck consisted of property taxes.
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 02:12 PM (bWcp9)
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I get it you want the free income. I would do. But it’s a stupid way to tax people based on their job. What’s next no taxes for garbage men? How about no taxes for teachers? You know that shits coming right?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:03 PM (7YTFo)
Dude, Bernie isn't running again, you are going to have to vote AOC or Newsome. Life sucks, and so do your choices.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:03 PM (7YTFo)
Dude, Bernie isn't running again, you are going to have to vote AOC or Newsome. Life sucks, and so do your choices.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 22, 2025 02:12 PM (D7oie)
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My client really loved the work John did on his account. He tipped John $50k in lieu of me paying John $50k salary.
How’s that any different than how a waiter is paid?
Because a tip is a gratuity. If you pay someone entirely for their work its not a tip, its wages. And that's fraud. And that gets you put in jail.
I get it, you don't like paying tips. Fine, don't. But this is ridiculous.
How’s that any different than how a waiter is paid?
Because a tip is a gratuity. If you pay someone entirely for their work its not a tip, its wages. And that's fraud. And that gets you put in jail.
I get it, you don't like paying tips. Fine, don't. But this is ridiculous.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:12 PM (2VST1)
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She always found time to tell me about her home life...specifically how she was a nudist and all the problems that caused her. Looking back on it now she was coming on to me pretty hard but uh...I was young and stupid.
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She could have come over to my apt and been as nudist as she wanted. As long as she kept the place clean and made good sandwiches.
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She could have come over to my apt and been as nudist as she wanted. As long as she kept the place clean and made good sandwiches.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 22, 2025 02:12 PM (Dv3i1)
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331 Might be bigger long-term, though. What percent of Harvard's student body is foreigners on student visas paying exorbitant sums to Harvard? How many are foreign spies or spies in waiting?
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 22, 2025 02:11 PM (iFTx/)
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I think the grants yearly are something like three times what the university gets on tuition total.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 22, 2025 02:11 PM (iFTx/)
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I think the grants yearly are something like three times what the university gets on tuition total.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 02:12 PM (GBKbO)
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Winthrop Dickhead IV: that gauche U of Penn president is cutting Haaahvad off . Egad doesn't he understand how important we are?
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 22, 2025 02:12 PM (Dh9UM)
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Conservatives: Out of touch Republicans need to find a sensible way to appeal to the average working person!!!
Trump: Ok. How about this?
Conservatives: No, no, I don't like that.
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (VIxhi)
This.
Trump: Ok. How about this?
Conservatives: No, no, I don't like that.
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (VIxhi)
This.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 22, 2025 02:13 PM (oUlN5)
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If Trump offered no taxes on punditry and twitter yakking we'd suddenly find the like of Jonah Goldberg talking about how reasonable such a policy is...
You’re making a good argument for replacing the income tax with a per-social-media-post tax…
You’re making a good argument for replacing the income tax with a per-social-media-post tax…
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 22, 2025 02:13 PM (EXyHK)
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322 Depends on the job. Some jobs, tips are the income.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 02:05 PM (xcxpd)
More tips won't push an employee into a higher tax bracket. The achievers are going to work their butts off for that do re mi.
Posted by: mrp at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (rj6Yv)
And they tend to have a better attitude towards people on the job, because they have to.
It was always funny to me how the Servers made more money than the cooks did. Since half my friends at the time were cooks, I got to hear about it at length. Of course, the other half of my friends were servers....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 02:05 PM (xcxpd)
More tips won't push an employee into a higher tax bracket. The achievers are going to work their butts off for that do re mi.
Posted by: mrp at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (rj6Yv)
And they tend to have a better attitude towards people on the job, because they have to.
It was always funny to me how the Servers made more money than the cooks did. Since half my friends at the time were cooks, I got to hear about it at length. Of course, the other half of my friends were servers....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 02:13 PM (xcxpd)
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That's not as big a blow as the grant cuts, but it's not small.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Financially it might not be a big blow for Harvard, but other universities are watching. And it's another huge indication that Trump means war on lefty higher education.
That's not as big a blow as the grant cuts, but it's not small.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Financially it might not be a big blow for Harvard, but other universities are watching. And it's another huge indication that Trump means war on lefty higher education.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 22, 2025 02:13 PM (n7rxJ)
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People on this smart military blog: WAR!!!
Trump: Ok, I'm a finance guy, check out my version of war...
People on this smart military blog: He's a socialist!!!
Trump: Ok, I'm a finance guy, check out my version of war...
People on this smart military blog: He's a socialist!!!
Posted by: 18-1 at May 22, 2025 02:14 PM (t0Rmr)
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Didn't Chucky and the Libs vote themselves a raise a few years ago?
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 02:14 PM (VIxhi)
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127 So...has anyone used the Merlin app that is used for identifying birds?
TIA!
Posted by: Brunnhilde
My wife is a hard-core birder and security-phobe. She uses Merlin all the time (and BlueSky, and N95 masks...)
TIA!
Posted by: Brunnhilde
My wife is a hard-core birder and security-phobe. She uses Merlin all the time (and BlueSky, and N95 masks...)
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 22, 2025 02:14 PM (JCZqz)
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Trump administration terminates Harvard's student visa program.
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Not so fast!
-Judge Imperial Hawaiian
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Not so fast!
-Judge Imperial Hawaiian
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 22, 2025 02:14 PM (Dv3i1)
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288 "No Tax on tips is retarded."
People will start requesting their paycheck be given to them as a "tip" for their hard labor.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 22, 2025 02:04 PM (vbXSk)
The definition of tips not subject to Federal Income Taxation in the new law will be crystal clearly-written to absolutely prevent gaming 'No Tax On Tips' to the illegal benefit of workers, employers, or both. Punishment defined in the new law for violations will be ultra-draconian, absolutely deterring attempts to game the new non-taxable income category.
Right? RIGHT???
People will start requesting their paycheck be given to them as a "tip" for their hard labor.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 22, 2025 02:04 PM (vbXSk)
The definition of tips not subject to Federal Income Taxation in the new law will be crystal clearly-written to absolutely prevent gaming 'No Tax On Tips' to the illegal benefit of workers, employers, or both. Punishment defined in the new law for violations will be ultra-draconian, absolutely deterring attempts to game the new non-taxable income category.
Right? RIGHT???
Posted by: Gref at May 22, 2025 02:14 PM (aBgBM)
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This is good for me. Now I do not have to claim my tips for BJ's which means I could save up to $100,000 a year.
Posted by: Kami Harris at May 22, 2025 02:14 PM (FDlb9)
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That's not as big a blow as the grant cuts, but it's not small.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Financially it might not be a big blow for Harvard, but other universities are watching. And it's another huge indication that Trump means war on lefty higher education.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 22, 2025 02:13 PM (n7rxJ)
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Plus, the big beautiful bill included an end to federally backed loans to graduate programs.
The University space is going to shrink very quickly all of a sudden.
That's not as big a blow as the grant cuts, but it's not small.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Financially it might not be a big blow for Harvard, but other universities are watching. And it's another huge indication that Trump means war on lefty higher education.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 22, 2025 02:13 PM (n7rxJ)
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Plus, the big beautiful bill included an end to federally backed loans to graduate programs.
The University space is going to shrink very quickly all of a sudden.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 02:14 PM (GBKbO)
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317 309 If a business just takes part of its earnings and calls them tips, that is called "fraud" and gets both the IRS and the local, state, and federal government angry at them. Those people end up in jail.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (2VST1)
My client really loved the work John did on his account. He tipped John $50k in lieu of me paying John $50k salary.
How’s that any different than how a waiter is paid?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:09 PM (7YTFo)
It's different because the client would pay the gift tax on the 50K, not John, and you don't pay anything. If you give a waiter a tip, it doesn't trigger the gift tax on your part.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:07 PM (2VST1)
My client really loved the work John did on his account. He tipped John $50k in lieu of me paying John $50k salary.
How’s that any different than how a waiter is paid?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:09 PM (7YTFo)
It's different because the client would pay the gift tax on the 50K, not John, and you don't pay anything. If you give a waiter a tip, it doesn't trigger the gift tax on your part.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 22, 2025 02:14 PM (KnTox)
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TJM I think there may be a significant "prestige" impact on Harvard from this. Recall that half of the non-European world's elite children go there (or Yale). I mean offspring of PMs, presidents, kings, strong-men, etc. Has been that way for decades. How many of the last 10 presidents of Mexico were Harvard grads?
If the int'l elite can't send their youngin's to Hahvahd, that will be a "prestige" hit.
If the int'l elite can't send their youngin's to Hahvahd, that will be a "prestige" hit.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 22, 2025 02:14 PM (1m82a)
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>> By the way, there are lots of things I didn’t vote for but have to deal with.
Sure, everyone has to do that.
What you’re saying is I should be against something going in my favor because of abstract reasons.
Or because you think that eliminating the SALT deduction will somehow make gov’t more efficient. The deduction got a huge cap in 2017; did efficiency improve? Of course not.
I have no idea what Apple and Samsung have to do with any of this. Apple is constantly ripping me off and I hate them with a red hot passion, so they’re very similar to gov’t in that regard.
Sure, everyone has to do that.
What you’re saying is I should be against something going in my favor because of abstract reasons.
Or because you think that eliminating the SALT deduction will somehow make gov’t more efficient. The deduction got a huge cap in 2017; did efficiency improve? Of course not.
I have no idea what Apple and Samsung have to do with any of this. Apple is constantly ripping me off and I hate them with a red hot passion, so they’re very similar to gov’t in that regard.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (l3YAf)
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83 Anyone voting for high-tax pols should have to pay double.
Posted by: Eeyore at May 22, 2025 01:29 PM (od0dV)
What if you didn’t vote for it?
Also, the largest taxes are at the Federal level, so should we all pay double Federal taxes because we “voted” for increased Federal taxes?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:31 PM (l3YAf)
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Yup.
Posted by: Eeyore at May 22, 2025 01:29 PM (od0dV)
What if you didn’t vote for it?
Also, the largest taxes are at the Federal level, so should we all pay double Federal taxes because we “voted” for increased Federal taxes?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 01:31 PM (l3YAf)
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Yup.
Posted by: Eeyore at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (od0dV)
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I don't care if the federal government doesn't collect a cent ever again. Guarantee spending will STILL only go up. Now what.
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (VIxhi)
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Conservatives: Out of touch Republicans need to find a sensible way to appeal to the average working person!!!
Trump: Ok. How about this?
Conservatives: No, no, I don't like that.
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Especially after conservatives have seen that taxes don't really matter much and are simply punitive, and a path to take down any individual if need be.
Old habits die hard, though.
Trump: Ok. How about this?
Conservatives: No, no, I don't like that.
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Especially after conservatives have seen that taxes don't really matter much and are simply punitive, and a path to take down any individual if need be.
Old habits die hard, though.
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Men are the romantic sex, with no concern for a mate's income or potential at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (EGr8c)
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Trump and Republicans are targeting blue states’ climate policies
Posted by: SMOD at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (RHGPo)
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329 Government workers don't pay taxes, at least not in a real sense.
Since all of their income is derived from taxes, any income tax paid is just a discount to their government handout.
It's like filling your plate to heaping at the all you can eat buffet and then putting some back.
Posted by: If We're Being Honest at May 22, 2025 02:11 PM (qFqzC)
Please inform the IRS of this. Because I work for the State of WA and I paid a pretty penny in taxes this year.
Since all of their income is derived from taxes, any income tax paid is just a discount to their government handout.
It's like filling your plate to heaping at the all you can eat buffet and then putting some back.
Posted by: If We're Being Honest at May 22, 2025 02:11 PM (qFqzC)
Please inform the IRS of this. Because I work for the State of WA and I paid a pretty penny in taxes this year.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (xcxpd)
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If they pass it people bitch. If they don't pass it people bitch.
No way to win with this argument. So it's a bitch.
No way to win with this argument. So it's a bitch.
Posted by: Case at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (Qdqx6)
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The reason "no tax on tips" is retarded is that unscrupulous employers, read Punjabis and Gujaratis, will now pay their employees I mean cousins in "tips".
They might get some token minimum-wage salary so they don't run afoul of those laws or just plain Amendment XIII, but the main moneys will be in "tips".
Posted by: gKWVE at May 22, 2025 02:05 PM (gKWVE)
A) all states and the IRS have auditors who look for this sort of thing, and that there are expert programs that look for irregularities.
B) Unless the employer is looking for some sort of kickback, there is no way an employer is going to give up the employee wage deduction on the taxes for the business. What is that, up to about 25% for withholding and sundry taxes that are paid?
They might get some token minimum-wage salary so they don't run afoul of those laws or just plain Amendment XIII, but the main moneys will be in "tips".
Posted by: gKWVE at May 22, 2025 02:05 PM (gKWVE)
A) all states and the IRS have auditors who look for this sort of thing, and that there are expert programs that look for irregularities.
B) Unless the employer is looking for some sort of kickback, there is no way an employer is going to give up the employee wage deduction on the taxes for the business. What is that, up to about 25% for withholding and sundry taxes that are paid?
Posted by: Kindltot at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (D7oie)
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Vast majority of tips went unreported and untaxed until 1982, and a lot it is probably still that way.
Yeah they knew there was no way to actually get people to accurately and honestly report their tips, let alone enforce it, so they just presumed a tip percentage that is significantly lower than most wait staff earns. They pay taxes based on that percentage rather than their actual tips. That means some people are getting crap tips and paying taxes on it anyway.
But this is somehow better than changing it.
Yeah they knew there was no way to actually get people to accurately and honestly report their tips, let alone enforce it, so they just presumed a tip percentage that is significantly lower than most wait staff earns. They pay taxes based on that percentage rather than their actual tips. That means some people are getting crap tips and paying taxes on it anyway.
But this is somehow better than changing it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (2VST1)
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The reason "no tax on tips" is retarded is that unscrupulous employers, read Punjabis and Gujaratis, will now pay their employees I mean cousins in "tips".
They might get some token minimum-wage salary so they don't run afoul of those laws or just plain Amendment XIII, but the main moneys will be in "tips".
Posted by: gKWVE at May 22, 2025 02:05 PM (gKWVE)
most wait staff is already paid minimum wage, so that won't change much.
They might get some token minimum-wage salary so they don't run afoul of those laws or just plain Amendment XIII, but the main moneys will be in "tips".
Posted by: gKWVE at May 22, 2025 02:05 PM (gKWVE)
most wait staff is already paid minimum wage, so that won't change much.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 22, 2025 02:16 PM (uWKK8)
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Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 22, 2025 02:16 PM (mlg/3)
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325 Conservatives: Out of touch Republicans need to find a sensible way to appeal to the average working person!!!
Trump: Ok. How about this?
Conservatives: No, no, I don't like that.
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (VIxhi)
Work in a factory? Pay taxes. Work in an Applebees , pay no taxes.
Picking and choosing winners based on where they work is the most conservative thing ever.
Trump: Ok. How about this?
Conservatives: No, no, I don't like that.
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (VIxhi)
Work in a factory? Pay taxes. Work in an Applebees , pay no taxes.
Picking and choosing winners based on where they work is the most conservative thing ever.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:16 PM (7YTFo)
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Might be bigger long-term, though. What percent of Harvard's student body is foreigners on student visas paying exorbitant sums to Harvard? How many are foreign spies or spies in waiting?
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 22, 2025 02:11 PM (iFTx/)
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I think the grants yearly are something like three times what the university gets on tuition total.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 02:12 PM (GBKbO)
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Maybe, but (1) Harvard doesn't pocket all the grant money and (2) the foreign visa program is a racket at all colleges where it's not only full tuition that must be paid, but a nice fat donation too. Anyone can get into Harvard if the donation check is big enough. "In all fairness to Mr. Mellon here, it was a really big check ...."
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 22, 2025 02:11 PM (iFTx/)
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I think the grants yearly are something like three times what the university gets on tuition total.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 22, 2025 02:12 PM (GBKbO)
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Maybe, but (1) Harvard doesn't pocket all the grant money and (2) the foreign visa program is a racket at all colleges where it's not only full tuition that must be paid, but a nice fat donation too. Anyone can get into Harvard if the donation check is big enough. "In all fairness to Mr. Mellon here, it was a really big check ...."
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 22, 2025 02:16 PM (iFTx/)
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It's different because the client would pay the gift tax on the 50K, not John, and you don't pay anything. If you give a waiter a tip, it doesn't trigger the gift tax on your part.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 22, 2025 02:14 PM (KnTox)
It’s not a gift, it’s a tip. And $50k is not enough to trigger the “gift tax”.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 22, 2025 02:14 PM (KnTox)
It’s not a gift, it’s a tip. And $50k is not enough to trigger the “gift tax”.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 02:16 PM (l3YAf)
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Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 22, 2025 02:17 PM (ExV1e)
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But this is somehow better than changing it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (2VST1)
No tax on tips helps keep honest people honest.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (2VST1)
No tax on tips helps keep honest people honest.
Posted by: Oglebay at May 22, 2025 02:17 PM (2ap+5)
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Financially it might not be a big blow for Harvard, but other universities are watching. And it's another huge indication that Trump means war on lefty higher education.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 22, 2025 02:13 PM (n7rxJ)
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The faculty where I worked FLIPPED OUT when 19 students (out of 8000) temporarily lost their visa status. All 19 were able to get their visas restored, though. Curiously, they were predominantly Indian students.
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The faculty where I worked FLIPPED OUT when 19 students (out of 8000) temporarily lost their visa status. All 19 were able to get their visas restored, though. Curiously, they were predominantly Indian students.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 22, 2025 02:17 PM (7fElN)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 22, 2025 02:18 PM (Dv3i1)
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In my State your Employer can deduct for taxes based on minimum wage even though they only pay $2.13. Waiters could pay taxes on tips they never receive. No wonder the service sucks.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 02:06 PM (oURrP)
That is the downside to being in a tip-credit state.
It is offset by the fact that in a state that doesn't recognize tips as wages, the employer can do things like take the tip, charge card fees against the tips, or force a distribution with other staff with no violation on labor laws
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 02:06 PM (oURrP)
That is the downside to being in a tip-credit state.
It is offset by the fact that in a state that doesn't recognize tips as wages, the employer can do things like take the tip, charge card fees against the tips, or force a distribution with other staff with no violation on labor laws
Posted by: Kindltot at May 22, 2025 02:18 PM (D7oie)
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The NorKs just can't buy a break.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 22, 2025 02:09 PM (L/fGl)
I predict NoKo's inventory of anti-aircraft cannon shells will soon be significantly reduced. IYKWIM
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The NorKs just can't buy a break.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 22, 2025 02:09 PM (L/fGl)
I predict NoKo's inventory of anti-aircraft cannon shells will soon be significantly reduced. IYKWIM
Posted by: Gref at May 22, 2025 02:18 PM (aBgBM)
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Yeah they knew there was no way to actually get people to accurately and honestly report their tips, let alone enforce it, so they just presumed a tip percentage that is significantly lower than most wait staff earns. They pay taxes based on that percentage rather than their actual tips. That means some people are getting crap tips and paying taxes on it anyway.
But this is somehow better than changing it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (2VST1)
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I believe employers are responsible for collecting taxes on tips and the IRS is very hard on companies if the IRS believes the business in question is not accurately tracking tips.
But this is somehow better than changing it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (2VST1)
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I believe employers are responsible for collecting taxes on tips and the IRS is very hard on companies if the IRS believes the business in question is not accurately tracking tips.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 22, 2025 02:19 PM (tT6L1)
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There was a libertarian thing about leaving a note to the waiter that the money left on the table is a gift and not subject to taxation.
Posted by: Oglebay
Genius idea! Leave a note that in lieu of leaving a tip, you'll make a donation in their name to the Human Fund!
Posted by: Oglebay
Genius idea! Leave a note that in lieu of leaving a tip, you'll make a donation in their name to the Human Fund!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 22, 2025 02:19 PM (L/fGl)
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Work in a factory? Pay taxes. Work in an Applebees , pay no taxes.
Picking and choosing winners based on where they work is the most conservative thing ever.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:16 PM (7YTFo)
I told you I would just as soon no one pay any taxes. This is what I call a good start.
Half the country is already there as you know and they're mostly lib voters as you know. Maybe it's time Republicans learn how the game works and grab some of the freeloaders too (who in this case are actually working).
Not everything is as simple as good or bad, conservative or not, and when the polls come around for the next Republican cocksucker maybe he won't be as toxic to the electorate while they shove a socialist in to tax you and anyone they feel like. Maybe.
I mean this is just a chance of course but it's not the worst shot at it.
Picking and choosing winners based on where they work is the most conservative thing ever.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:16 PM (7YTFo)
I told you I would just as soon no one pay any taxes. This is what I call a good start.
Half the country is already there as you know and they're mostly lib voters as you know. Maybe it's time Republicans learn how the game works and grab some of the freeloaders too (who in this case are actually working).
Not everything is as simple as good or bad, conservative or not, and when the polls come around for the next Republican cocksucker maybe he won't be as toxic to the electorate while they shove a socialist in to tax you and anyone they feel like. Maybe.
I mean this is just a chance of course but it's not the worst shot at it.
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 02:20 PM (VIxhi)
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Stripers will not be subject to the income tax.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 02:09 PM (oURrP)
Those guys that paint the lines on the roads? Wow. Wonder why they get the break.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 02:09 PM (oURrP)
Those guys that paint the lines on the roads? Wow. Wonder why they get the break.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at May 22, 2025 02:20 PM (2J/Lj)
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from some experience: the irs has been trying for years to figure out how to collect taxes on tips. no real way to know.
next, lots of people in restaurants are off the books, you ain't getting taxes paid anyway.
third, the irs kind of has a general definition of who can get tips as part of minimum wage. that is, someone who works in a jobs where tips are a normal part of pay. you can't just decide a short order cook can now be paid in tips any more that you can tell an employee 'you're on salary so i don't need to pay you overtime.'
next, lots of people in restaurants are off the books, you ain't getting taxes paid anyway.
third, the irs kind of has a general definition of who can get tips as part of minimum wage. that is, someone who works in a jobs where tips are a normal part of pay. you can't just decide a short order cook can now be paid in tips any more that you can tell an employee 'you're on salary so i don't need to pay you overtime.'
Posted by: gnats local 675 at May 22, 2025 02:20 PM (CWTWj)
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356 I don't care if the federal government doesn't collect a cent ever again. Guarantee spending will STILL only go up. Now what.
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (VIxhi)
Talking about cents - I read yesterday the Treasury will end penny coin manufacture in two years.
Posted by: ... at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (VIxhi)
Talking about cents - I read yesterday the Treasury will end penny coin manufacture in two years.
Posted by: Gref at May 22, 2025 02:20 PM (aBgBM)
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Please inform the IRS of this. Because I work for the State of WA and I paid a pretty penny in taxes this year.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (xcxpd)
But you’re paid out of taxes. So the government’s just taking back some of the money it showered on you.
Productive members of society actually have the fruits of their labor stolen by taxes.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (xcxpd)
But you’re paid out of taxes. So the government’s just taking back some of the money it showered on you.
Productive members of society actually have the fruits of their labor stolen by taxes.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 02:20 PM (l3YAf)
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371 326 $15/hr is $36k per year if you work 300 days/yr. What is your income tax burden?
A: $3000
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 22, 2025 02:18 PM (Dv3i1)
Doesn't that seem to miss the standard deduction?
A: $3000
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 22, 2025 02:18 PM (Dv3i1)
Doesn't that seem to miss the standard deduction?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at May 22, 2025 02:20 PM (okun6)
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Because I work for the State of WA and I paid a pretty penny in taxes this year.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (xcxpd)
All of your income is derived from taxes.
You are not a net contributor to the tax base, as the expenditure of taxes to pay your salary greatly exceeds the amount of taxes you send back in return.
Versus say a roofer, who creates wealth and value through his labor, and then has a portion of the value he creates taken away from him to pay government workers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 02:15 PM (xcxpd)
All of your income is derived from taxes.
You are not a net contributor to the tax base, as the expenditure of taxes to pay your salary greatly exceeds the amount of taxes you send back in return.
Versus say a roofer, who creates wealth and value through his labor, and then has a portion of the value he creates taken away from him to pay government workers.
Posted by: If We're Being Honest at May 22, 2025 02:21 PM (qFqzC)
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Stripers will not be subject to the income tax.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 02:09 PM (oURrP)
In Oregon strippers are considered employees and due minimum wage. The argument was whether they could be classed and paid as an independent contractor, like a hairdressesr hiring a station in a salon. There was a legal case that went to the state supreme court and everything.
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 22, 2025 02:09 PM (oURrP)
In Oregon strippers are considered employees and due minimum wage. The argument was whether they could be classed and paid as an independent contractor, like a hairdressesr hiring a station in a salon. There was a legal case that went to the state supreme court and everything.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 22, 2025 02:22 PM (D7oie)
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How’s that any different than how a waiter is paid?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:09 PM (7YTFo)
The difference is that unlike you and your partner, the waiter won't go to jail for tax fraud
Try again, that straw man won't burn
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:09 PM (7YTFo)
The difference is that unlike you and your partner, the waiter won't go to jail for tax fraud
Try again, that straw man won't burn
Posted by: Kindltot at May 22, 2025 02:23 PM (D7oie)
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It was always funny to me how the Servers made more money than the cooks did. Since half my friends at the time were cooks, I got to hear about it at length. Of course, the other half of my friends were servers....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 02:13 PM (xcxpd)
Don't matter how good the food is if the waitron units drop it on the floor on the way out. Even the lowly dishwasher and busser has to work hard for the system to run. I don't recall getting a cut when I was a dishwasher. I did get cuts when I was out in front and visible doing tables.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at May 22, 2025 02:13 PM (xcxpd)
Don't matter how good the food is if the waitron units drop it on the floor on the way out. Even the lowly dishwasher and busser has to work hard for the system to run. I don't recall getting a cut when I was a dishwasher. I did get cuts when I was out in front and visible doing tables.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 22, 2025 02:25 PM (8avO+)
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Sounds like he’s an anti-socialist since he’s against government using tax policy to pick winners and losers.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (l3YAf)
Ding ding ding ding
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:11 PM (7YTFo)
Go get a room, spring for high quality "personal lubricant"
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 22, 2025 02:10 PM (l3YAf)
Ding ding ding ding
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 22, 2025 02:11 PM (7YTFo)
Go get a room, spring for high quality "personal lubricant"
Posted by: Kindltot at May 22, 2025 02:26 PM (D7oie)
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381 371 326 $15/hr is $36k per year if you work 300 days/yr. What is your income tax burden?
A: $3000
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 22, 2025 02:18 PM (Dv3i1)
Doesn't that seem to miss the standard deduction?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
I mis-calc'd on the standard deduction, should be $2300 in taxes, assuming no other deductions and filing single.
A: $3000
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 22, 2025 02:18 PM (Dv3i1)
Doesn't that seem to miss the standard deduction?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
I mis-calc'd on the standard deduction, should be $2300 in taxes, assuming no other deductions and filing single.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 22, 2025 02:27 PM (Dv3i1)
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Here’s a radical idea. Write a better bill and he will vote for it.
Here's an even MORE radical idea. Stop waiting until a perfect fucking bill to vote YES.
At this point, the douchebag might as well be a democrat.
Here's an even MORE radical idea. Stop waiting until a perfect fucking bill to vote YES.
At this point, the douchebag might as well be a democrat.
Posted by: GMan at May 22, 2025 02:29 PM (GfWuY)
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BREAKING: A federal judge blocks immigration authorities from revoking international students' legal status nationwide - AP
Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 22, 2025 02:16 PM (mlg/3)
graduate of Haahvahd? Or merely on teh board of trustees? That was fast.
Posted by: weft-cut loop at May 22, 2025 02:16 PM (mlg/3)
graduate of Haahvahd? Or merely on teh board of trustees? That was fast.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 22, 2025 02:30 PM (D7oie)
390
another thing: if you make tips you must still make minimum wage. if the min wage in you city or state is 10 $ an hour with a 7 $ tip credit, your employer only needs to pay you 3 $ an hour but if for the week (168 consecutive hours =1 week) you don't make enough tips to come to 10 an hour the employer must make up the difference. most people don't know that
Posted by: gnats local 675 at May 22, 2025 02:30 PM (CWTWj)
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390 another thing: if you make tips you must still make minimum wage. if the min wage in you city or state is 10 $ an hour with a 7 $ tip credit, your employer only needs to pay you 3 $ an hour but if for the week (168 consecutive hours =1 week) you don't make enough tips to come to 10 an hour the employer must make up the difference. most people don't know that
Posted by: gnats local 675 at May 22, 2025 02:30 PM (CWTWj)
$2.13/hr in TX
Posted by: gnats local 675 at May 22, 2025 02:30 PM (CWTWj)
$2.13/hr in TX
Posted by: Cow Demon at May 22, 2025 02:33 PM (bWcp9)
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A widely cited study by John Cook and colleagues in 2013 found that 97 per cent of climate scientists who published peer-reviewed research on the topic agreed that human activity is the most significant driver of climate change.
This kind of like saying 97% of theologians who write textbooks used in seminaries believe in the existence of God.
This kind of like saying 97% of theologians who write textbooks used in seminaries believe in the existence of God.
Posted by: SMOD at May 22, 2025 02:36 PM (RHGPo)
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Posted by: gnats local 675 at May 22, 2025 02:20 PM (CWTWj)
When everyone started both paying and TIPPING using credit cards, that all changed. Now there are records of all this, so its not under the table anymore...
But, what is WEIRD? If you are a server, restaurants actually often take 3% or 4% of your GROSS tables earnings, and pay that to other staff like busboys, hostesses, and some even Kitchen staff. So Wait staff actually subsidizes the salaries of the other staff.
Somehow the Restaurant industry has been allowed to do this Economic Jui Jitsu so the OWNERS don't have to actually pay a reasonable wage to its staff... allowing them to ACT like the price of a meal is much lower than you end up paying.
Its legal bait and switch.
When everyone started both paying and TIPPING using credit cards, that all changed. Now there are records of all this, so its not under the table anymore...
But, what is WEIRD? If you are a server, restaurants actually often take 3% or 4% of your GROSS tables earnings, and pay that to other staff like busboys, hostesses, and some even Kitchen staff. So Wait staff actually subsidizes the salaries of the other staff.
Somehow the Restaurant industry has been allowed to do this Economic Jui Jitsu so the OWNERS don't have to actually pay a reasonable wage to its staff... allowing them to ACT like the price of a meal is much lower than you end up paying.
Its legal bait and switch.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 22, 2025 02:58 PM (mP0Kj)
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You know what bird has one big, beautiful bill? The Shoebill Crane! Don't let the name "shoebill" fool you, that bird has one big, beautiful bill. Always a smile on that bird's face. The big, beautiful Shoebill Crane.
Posted by: Bombadil at May 22, 2025 03:13 PM (MX0bI)
395
One more night then at least a few days off
Have a great afternoon everyone
Have a great afternoon everyone
Posted by: Skip at May 22, 2025 03:14 PM (ypFCm)
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If you’ve ever waited tables, you have to take sh!t for every other position, too. The meal isn’t cooked to the customer’s liking, you have to deal with the crummy tip and abuse. The drink is watered down swill, you’ll hear about, you’re told that the bartender can’t make a screwdriver properly The dishwasher doesn’t clean the utensils well, etc.
Having done those jobs that directly affect the wait staff’s tip, it’s easy to mess up.
Having done those jobs that directly affect the wait staff’s tip, it’s easy to mess up.
Posted by: Unkaren at May 22, 2025 03:49 PM (NyOS0)
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The worst was Senior Sunday breakfast. Maximum grief for minimum tips. The butter’s too hard or too soft. The condiments too watery or too thick. The area was too cold or too warm! It was never ending complaints
Posted by: Unkaren at May 22, 2025 03:54 PM (NyOS0)
398
Wind and Solar are a miserable Failure
Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at May 22, 2025 05:16 PM (wGqjj)
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