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Zelenskyy declared that he would never agree to a peace deal if it involves Russia continuing to control the territory it already controls.

Well, Flake, you've had three years to dislodge them and you've failed. Do you mean you want American troops to come in and drive the Russians out?

Actually, that's incorrect. Russia did seize Ukraine territory three years ago, but the Crimea was seized 11 years ago.

Zelenskyy doesn't just want to reclaim the recently seized territory, but the territory Ukraine gave up without a shot being fired 11 years ago.

President Donald Trump on Wednesday slammed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky after he rejected a US proposal that would recognize Russian control of Crimea as part of a peace deal.
This comes as Washington continues its efforts to hammer out a peace agreement between Moscow and Kyiv. During a press conference, Zelensky said, "Ukraine will not legally recognize the occupation of Crimea" and that "There's nothing to talk about here. This is against our constitution."
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Zelensky said Russia should agree to a cease-fire before further talks to demonstrate "serious steps, and not childishness." He said that Ukrainian officials meeting with U.S. and European officials in London would have a mandate to discuss a partial or full cease-fire, which Ukraine agreed to last month but Moscow rejected.

In a post on Truth Social, President Trump went on a long tirade against Zelensky, arguing that Zelensky's perspective "is very harmful to the Peace Negotiations with Russia in that Crimea was lost years ago under the auspices of President Barack Hussein Obama, and is not even a point of discussion."
Trump continued, "Nobody is asking Zelenskyy to recognize Crimea as Russian Territory but, if he wants Crimea, why didn't they fight for it eleven years ago when it was handed over to Russia without a shot being fired?"
The president said, "It's inflammatory statements like Zelenskyy's that makes it so difficult to settle this War. He has nothing to boast about! The situation for Ukraine is dire -- He can have Peace or, he can fight for another three years before losing the whole Country."

The FBI arrested a UMass Boston "student" for firebombing a Kansas City Tesla dealership.

A 19-year-old University of Massachusetts Boston student was busted for the crazed firebombing of a Tesla dealership in Missouri, according to federal officials.
Owen McIntire, 19, was back in his hometown of Parkville, Mo., for spring break on March 17, when he drove to a Tesla dealership in nearby Kansas City and hurled two Molotov cocktails at a Cybertruck, causing a fire and thousands of dollars in damage after the blaze spread to a second Cybertruck, the Justice Department said Friday.
In the alleged arson attack, McIntire allegedly concocted two homemade incendiary devices and used them to destroy the pair of Cybertrucks, which cost $105,485 and $107,495, the Justice Department alleged.
Only one of those bottle bombs exploded, and investigators were able to recover the second completely intact, the statement said. It appeared to be an apple cider vinegar bottle, according to photos from the scene.
Two Tesla charging stations, which cost $550 each, were also damaged in the blaze, feds said.

He (?) looks as we've come to expect zems to look:

Video report here.

Legal Insurrection: Trump should dust off the False Claims Act to bring rogue racially-discriminatory colleges in line with the law and Constitution.

The False Claims Act (31 U.S.C. § 3730; the "FCA") was passed over 150 years ago to address a seemingly intractable problem: widespread fraud by defense contractors during the Civil War. Under the FCA, a person who knowingly submits a false claim to the government is liable for three times the government's damages plus additional penalties. For example, a hospital that knowingly obtains $10 million from the federal government on bogus Medicare invoices would be liable to the government for over $30 million.
But while the government can bring such claims itself, the FCA has another important component: the ability for whistleblowers (i.e., people with inside information of the fraud) to bring FCA suits in the government's name, and receive a reward of up to 30% the funds recovered. Such private prosecutions are known as qui tam actions, and the vast majority of the billions recovered annually under the FCA arise from them.
For example, suppose you are an employee of the hospital in the foregoing hypothetical, and you discover that it is fraudulently billing Medicare for MRI's that never occurred. You find a lawyer who specializes in FCA qui tam cases, who then prepares and files the qui tam action in federal court under seal, and serves the Department of Justice a copy of the complaint and a comprehensive memorandum explaining the claim and the evidence that the whistleblower has. The Department of Justice can then choose to intervene in the case and thereafter prosecute it, or it can decline to do so and allow you to do so. Either way, if the FCA qui tam suit is successful, the whistleblower receives a reward of up to 30% of the funds recovered (typically, 15-20% where the government takes over the case).
So in the hypothetical set forth above, if the government immediately intervened and ultimately collected $30 million, the whistleblowing employee would collect a reward of $4.5 to $6 million (which typically would be split with his attorney, if the attorney handled the case on a contingency fee basis). These financial inducements -- along with provisions in the FCA (31 U.S.C. § 3730(h)) imposing draconian additional penalties on employers who retaliate against FCA whistleblowers -- make the FCA a powerful weapon against defrauding the federal government.

Nice. It's like letters of Marque for whistleblowers.

From last week: the government's Covid.gov website now links to a refutation of the fraudulent "Proximal Origins" paper that Fauci paid his sycophants to type up using taxpayer-funded "science" grants as the payoff.

It's a glorious thing.

Here's a screenshot.

Wild exchange: Jeff Jarvis whines about the state of media, gets schooled by Scott Jennings on the reasons behind the ascendancy of "right wing media", and Abby Phillip waves it off in complete denial. pic.twitter.com/pT8V2kU0BA
— Jorge Bonilla (@BonillaJL) April 23, 2025

George Clooney is not dipping his head into soy sauce and pretending that he's a Real Journalist Now. He says he went to "Darfur" to "get the story out" and so he's a Real Journalist.

He looks like he has a touch of Spring AIDS.

Notably, the guy asking this question is the same dude who sat down and yucked it up with Taylor Lorenz a week ago over a left-winger murdering a health insurance CEO.

The lack of self-awareness is stunning. https://t.co/7R70cLa7OH
— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) April 23, 2025

Elizabeth Warren is asked why the Democrat Party refuses to ever admit it's gone off the rails or examine the reasons for its failures. She, get this, refuses to answer. But the interviewer calls her on it. She still refuses to answer.

She goes on to refuse to admit she lied when she said Joe Biden had complete acuity. He trips her up by asking "Was he as sharp as you?" This causes her brain to glitch, as she's not sure which lie to tell. Should she continue with the lie that Biden was completely cogent, or should she admit she has the same level of mental sharpness as an infamously demented man.

She responds that Biden was, and I do quote, "on his feet."

The interviewer accurately states that saying "Biden was on his feet" is not answering the question and not reassuring at all.

Even worse: The Democrat Media has lost Dwight Fart Schrute.

The audacity! The absolute audacity!

Michelle Obama says black women haven't been “given permission to articulate their pain” pic.twitter.com/OK0azTTTOC
— Martin Walsh (@martinwalsh__) April 23, 2025

Yes, Big Mike, we've all been noticing how difficult you've found it to complain about everything, all the time, always.

You: Twins aren't creepy at all!

Me:

Posted by: Ace at 06:26 PM

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1 yay

Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 23, 2025 06:28 PM (CWTWj)

2 I hope the US doesnt get suckered into some rare earth minerals deal with Ukraine. We'll never see a penny from it, just an excuse to keep american dollars flowing into the grift

Just stop funding them, commander in chief can do that instantly. Ukraine is free to keep fighting, it just won't be on our dime.

Zelensky is delusional.

Posted by: Leupold at April 23, 2025 06:29 PM (4pwAx)

3 no one said michelle o couldn't say what she thinks when she looks in a mirror. i denounce myself

Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 23, 2025 06:30 PM (CWTWj)

4 zelensky and europe are going to have to pony up the bucks to pay for their "forever war" if they want it to continue. And europe is already scraping the bottom of the barrel in regards to any more military assistance then can send to ukraine.

Trump has already said he is ready to walk away and cut off the
$$$$$. But I am sure someone will sue and a DC judge will order Trump to fully fund the war on the backs of US taxpayers.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 23, 2025 06:30 PM (e5NfL)

5 He (?) looks as we've come to expect zems to look:

He looks like the alien Ra from the movie Stargate.

Posted by: Bert G at April 23, 2025 06:31 PM (VARTN)

6 You: Twins aren't creepy at all!

Me:

==

It's like... The Shining - Australia edition !!

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 06:31 PM (g47mK)

7 Hey, David Hogg put some milk on his beard and let the cat lick it off, and then grew out his hair.

I suppose burning a few Tesla dealerships will only increase the contributions coming in to his various organizations.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 23, 2025 06:31 PM (HlyYF)

8 >>>He looks like the alien Ra from the movie Stargate.

yup.

at least the Trans Propaganda Operation has #cancelled The Crying Game. Darren Van Dam on YouTube pointed that out. Bunch of movies have been cancelled for having trans plot points, like Fatal Instinct and the first Ace Ventura.

Posted by: ace at April 23, 2025 06:32 PM (KRtlO)

9 Owen seems concerned about something.

Posted by: dantesed at April 23, 2025 06:33 PM (Oy/m2)

10 ace, if no one mentioned it already, the george clooney link needs a < before the link. i try to help

Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 23, 2025 06:34 PM (CWTWj)

11 Owen look like David Hogg's identical twin sister.

Posted by: huerfano at April 23, 2025 06:35 PM (n2swS)

12 Fuckin' Ukraaaaiinne, maaan.

Posted by: Bombadil at April 23, 2025 06:35 PM (MX0bI)

13 bob and ray used to do the talking twins bit: someone asks a question, bob starts to answer and a few seconds later ray would start to exactly repeat what bob said

Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 23, 2025 06:35 PM (CWTWj)

14 willowed but..

Afghan National Pleads Guilty to Obtaining Firearms in Connection with Plot to Conduct ISIS-Inspired (2024 ) Election Day Terrorist Attack
via Robert Spencer

... no motive described.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2025 06:35 PM (mlg/3)

15 Z wants to follow the example of the original Nazis - die in the ruble.

Posted by: Going deep. Out. at April 23, 2025 06:35 PM (6t8M3)

16 >>.10 ace, if no one mentioned it already, the george clooney link needs a

thank you. i'll fix it.

Posted by: ace at April 23, 2025 06:36 PM (KRtlO)

17 Z-Dog is toast.
Take the money and run, bruh.

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2025 06:36 PM (v0R5T)

18 Zelensky really thinks he can lie and make demands to someone like President Trump?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 23, 2025 06:36 PM (tT6L1)

19 Z is prolonging the war. Consequently , he cancelled elections. Again. What a surprising turn of events.

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 06:38 PM (g47mK)

20 >> He (?) looks as we've come to expect zems to look:

Tell me that mouth hasn’t seen a few dicks.

Posted by: Vengeance at April 23, 2025 06:38 PM (L8QLO)

21 isn't ukraine gonna run out of soldiers sooner or later? can we send biden to lead a recruitment drive?

Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 23, 2025 06:39 PM (CWTWj)

22 Muslims I have read find people with low IQ or those down and out to do their suicide bombings.
The Cultural Marxists seem to have those who are mentally unstable to go out and do their terrorism.

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2025 06:39 PM (ypFCm)

23 Zelenskyy doesn't just want to reclaim the recently seized territory, but the territory Ukraine gave up without a shot being fired 11 years ago.

Hey, Crimea has been Ukrainian since time immemorial, as long as you define "time immemorial" as "since 1954".

In 1954, Nikita Khrushchev, to celebrate the 1000th anniversary of Ukraine, administratively transferred Crimea from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 23, 2025 06:39 PM (xTIDn)

24 I'm getting really tired of Dims/woketards/Libs trying to have everything and its opposite all the time. Joe Mannix's "Morning Rant" was about this regarding tariffs this morning, but it honestly applies to darn near everything.

The latest thing where flying bints are "astronauts" and George Clooney is a real journalist is another example. If these people were dyed in the wool "man of the people" types this could be tolerable (even if I don't want the guy down the street doing brain surgery on me). But these SAME dipshits demand the plebs respect people for their credentials. Well it's gotta be one or the other - either expertise is only gained through long and painful work, or anyone can be a self-proclaimed expert.

Posted by: the lower depths at April 23, 2025 06:39 PM (+b4rY)

25 Mooch has been "articulating her pain" since I sadly first saw her/him and debated the here it is, where is it pouch in the nether area. What a miserable weirdo with her braids and bald spots now. We know, Moochelle, that is not your real hair swirling and whirling. Get real.

I think Mooch killed the paddle boarder at Martha's Vineyard. Probably simply by diving in and causing a tidal wave from ze hips.

From the tiny bit I read and stored in my tiny brain, it was shallow water. Unless the chef could not swim or was bonked on the head.

Where is Reggie now? Maybe he killed the paddle chef.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at April 23, 2025 06:40 PM (6PCLE)

26 Good afternoon all!
Been a minute

Will PDT ever start ignoring SCOTUS? Illegals have got to go. He has a unique ability to read the electorate. He has to know people are getting angry.

Posted by: Jmel at April 23, 2025 06:40 PM (bVhJi)

27
It's like... The Shining - Australia edition !!
Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 06:31 PM (g47mK)

redrum,redrum

Posted by: It's me donna at April 23, 2025 06:40 PM (VE6XX)

28 I cannot believe Z Man has much popular support for the continuation of the war. However, I also believe it would not be prudent, in Z's Ukraine, to openly say as much.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 23, 2025 06:40 PM (tT6L1)

29 Actually, that's incorrect. Russia did seize Ukraine territory three years ago, but the Crimea was seized 11 years ago.

Who was POTUS 11 (2014) years ago ????

Oh............ It was CHOCOLATE JESUS..... Well Golly !!!!!

Posted by: Dick Durban at April 23, 2025 06:40 PM (FDlb9)

30 I hate the Russians, but I do not see any possible way that Ukraine could "win" the war.

My best war game scenario: Instead of spending hundreds of billions of dollars on aid, somebody secretly gives Ukraine enough money to buy two nukes from Pakistan. (Yea, two fewer for Pakistan!)

The Ukrainians then "test" one on some remote island that will definitely get the attention of the Russians.

THEN they go to Putin with cease fire terms and see what is the best deal they can get.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 23, 2025 06:41 PM (HlyYF)

31 When Owen gets to the Big House he's going to give more head than Kamala at a Willie Brown Freak off.

Posted by: I KNOW MY PIGS at April 23, 2025 06:42 PM (OxX9V)

32 You: Twins aren't creepy at all!
.....

That's what putting beetroots on hamburgers will do.

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2025 06:42 PM (v0R5T)

33 Zelensky really thinks he can lie and make demands to someone like President Trump?

I really do not understand his end game here. If he were going more slowly with the stupid I’d think he was trying to wait out the next four years.

Maybe he thinks enough fake outrage will drive up a kickstarter campaign?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 23, 2025 06:42 PM (EXyHK)

34 22 Muslims I have read find people with low IQ or those down and out to do their suicide bombings.

The Cultural Marxists seem to have those who are mentally unstable to go out and do their terrorism.

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2025 06:39 PM

I think the IQ range of those two groups of foot soldiers is probably similar.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 23, 2025 06:42 PM (HlyYF)

35 Want to know what's really ironic? There is no way Michelle Obama would be caught dead with a regular run of the mill American Black.

She may be down the struggle but she's certainly not down with the people.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 23, 2025 06:42 PM (tT6L1)

36 Saw those twins last night. Bizarre. Dr. Drew said he's seen that with other twins.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2025 06:42 PM (63Dwl)

37 Muslims I have read find people with low IQ or those down and out to do their suicide bombings.
The Cultural Marxists seem to have those who are mentally unstable to go out and do their terrorism.
Posted by: Skip

Rather difficult line of study considering how they aren't available for interview post-splody™, old bean.
*rakasha rip *

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 23, 2025 06:43 PM (mlg/3)

38 I’m definitely not a Zelensky fan and I’m against the war, but Russia hasn't budged an inch. In fact they’ve been taking advantage of the situation by making military gains and solidifying the Ukrainian territory they hold. That is they have been openly making Trump play the fool. That hardly projects any strength and I suspect that’s why Trump is saying he’ll move on. He knows the score.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 06:43 PM (im++X)

39 Z is enjoying the support of extremist, severely nationalistic troglodytes who just happen to live in Western Ukraine (or Poland and Germany) , and who are not suffering the consequences of war going on in the East. They are also not being recruited to die in the steppes.

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 06:44 PM (g47mK)

40 Im so old I remember when Violent Femmes was a band, not a political movement.

Posted by: Wally at April 23, 2025 06:44 PM (ZiX2K)

41 It’s also about time Trump started wagging his dick at these courts. There no saying they’ll hold him in contempt. They are hurting this situation towards a crisis and nobody is pumping the brakes.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 06:45 PM (im++X)

42 I hate the Russians,

==

Weird, because they did less damage to us than the Germans and the Japanese. Do you hate the Germans and the Japanese at all ??

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 06:45 PM (g47mK)

43 Putin took Crimea in February 2014, right after the color revolution largely run by the US government under Obama that took down a president friendly to Russia and installed a western puppet. 11 years later the US is once again involved between Ukraine and Russia and all it cost us was $200 billion.

The funny thing is Trump knows this. Putin knows this and Zelensky knows this. But none of them want to talk about it. Not yet anyway.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 23, 2025 06:47 PM (viF8m)

44 >>>40 Im so old I remember when Violent Femmes was a band, not a political movement.

they did do "You Won't Stop the Children of the Revolution" but that album was pretty lame.

Posted by: ace at April 23, 2025 06:49 PM (KRtlO)

45 Venezuela gang members are now all here without a individual hearing to see if they can get tossed back.
The Supreme Court is now using Lawfare

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2025 06:49 PM (ypFCm)

46
Elizabeth Warren: America's Ex-Mother-in-Law

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 06:50 PM (QnmlO)

47 For the record, the Crimeans voted for Independence from the nationalists and troglodytes occupying Kiev. If it works in Bosnia-Herzogovina, if it works in Kosovo and Albania, it should work in Crimea.

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 06:50 PM (g47mK)

48 "In 1954, Nikita Khrushchev, to celebrate the 1000th anniversary of Ukraine, administratively transferred Crimea from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic."

Now I know! I keep asking, by what historical treaty or grant or whatever was the Eastern boundary of Ukraine established?

Good to know.

Posted by: Bombadil at April 23, 2025 06:50 PM (MX0bI)

49 Zelensky said Russia should agree to a cease-fire before further talks to demonstrate "serious steps, and not childishness."
____________

What does he think would happen at that point? Russia would negotiate away its gains on the ground? And when they refuse to do so, Z is going to reinitiate hostilities?

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 23, 2025 06:50 PM (UBKzV)

50 If it works in Montenegro and Slovakia...it should work in Crimea...

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 06:51 PM (g47mK)

51 36 Saw those twins last night. Bizarre. Dr. Drew said he's seen that with other twins.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2025 06:42 PM (63Dwl)

They're 47, still live at home and sleep in the same room ... Creepy..

Posted by: It's me donna at April 23, 2025 06:52 PM (VE6XX)

52
When's the Barky-Mooch marriage going to be Renovated? (to use a Walter Winchell term).

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 06:53 PM (QnmlO)

53 Yeah.. Michelle has really suffered....

Posted by: It's me donna at April 23, 2025 06:53 PM (VE6XX)

54 >>> Zelenskyy declared that he would never agree to a peace deal if it involves Russia continuing to control the territory it already controls.

Fvck 'em.
Let Russi take it all.
... but the press would probably be better if they just divy it up with other decent countries.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 23, 2025 06:53 PM (/lPRQ)

55 Zeleskyy is a con artist. Three times he could have had a treaty with Russia under very favorable terms. In 2022 for example.

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 06:53 PM (g47mK)

56 I hope you know that this will go down on your permanent record!
Oh, yeah? Well, don't get so distressed
Did I happen to mention that I'm impressed?...

Posted by: Violent Femmes at April 23, 2025 06:53 PM (R/m4+)

57 Except Crimea voted after Russia occupied the territory and sifted their citizens into it. Which Russia also did in the Donbas, and which Russia has a long history of doing going at least back to Stalin. Overall the Russians have a strategic interest in that territory and it’s probably a good bargaining chip. But Russia doesn’t want to stop there. They want to keep all occupied territories which are now growing by the day. I’m a little unclear how Trump counts that as a win.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 06:53 PM (7Lr83)

58 Zelenskyyyyyy will never support any peace accords with Russia. His political and likely his personal survival demands a Forever War because as soon as it ends his usefulness does as well. Elections will have to be held and he will lose. Then there will be investigations and his blatant corruption will be exposed.

Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at April 23, 2025 06:54 PM (V362x)

59 I don't get why any Americans would crave Russia becoming larger, wealthier and more powerful. I spent my 20's trying to prevent that.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 06:54 PM (2cS/G)

60 I’m a little unclear how Trump counts that as a win.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 06:53 PM (7Lr83)

They stop dying ?

Posted by: It's me donna at April 23, 2025 06:54 PM (VE6XX)

61 My mother had an identical twin. People who did not know them well couldn't tell them apart. Their voices were exactly the same.

Posted by: huerfano at April 23, 2025 06:55 PM (n2swS)

62 2 I hope the US doesnt get suckered into some rare earth minerals deal with Ukraine. We'll never see a penny from it, just an excuse to keep american dollars flowing into the grift

Zelensky is delusional.
Posted by: Leupold at April 23, 2025 06:29 PM (4pwAx)

Really scary part is we have Rare Earth Minerals here in the US, but our own Greenies won't let us mine them... they just want the mines in other countries where they pollute more.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2025 06:56 PM (QAkQ3)

63 The twins were definitely joined at the lip.

Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at April 23, 2025 06:56 PM (z+z3M)

64 42 I hate the Russians,

==

Weird, because they did less damage to us than the Germans and the Japanese. Do you hate the Germans and the Japanese at all ??

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 06:45 PM

Didn't know there was a purity test for a discussion about the Ukraine/Russia war?

For the record: I also hate Nazis, Japanese Imperialists, the KKK, Jihadists, and slave owners!

I like the current Japanese people under their current governance, certainly more than the current Russian people under their current governance.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 23, 2025 06:56 PM (HlyYF)

65 Of course after the US bombed the shit out of Serbian territory it was fully ok to vote for partition. That was fully legal. But Russians in Crimea voting for Russians in Moscow is totes illegal.

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 06:57 PM (g47mK)

66
Zelensky does not want the war to end. Simple as that.

He acts like the end of fighting will be the death of him. Maybe it will.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at April 23, 2025 06:57 PM (uz6ub)

67 >>> The interviewer accurately states that saying "Biden was on his feet" is not answering the question and not reassuring at all.

He answered all the debate questions... Or mumbled something after each question.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 23, 2025 06:57 PM (/lPRQ)

68 >>>59 I don't get why any Americans would crave Russia becoming larger, wealthier and more powerful. I spent my 20's trying to prevent that.

I don't want Russia to become more powerful. But we're not going to pay for Ukraine's stalemate forever. It's like the "Vietnamization" phase of the Vietnam war. We want out. We would prefer if cutting off Ukraine would not lead to Ukraine completely collapsing. We'd like a peace treaty in place so we can stop funding this stalemate. Zelensky doesn't want that, because he still has these fantasy ideas about "winning" the war.

What would that look like? He isn't able to push Russia out of the newly-acquired territory, how is he going to push Russia out of Crimea which they seized 11 years ago and have fortified since then?

Posted by: ace at April 23, 2025 06:58 PM (KRtlO)

69 >> They stop dying ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 23, 2025 06:54 PM (VE6XX)

Russia doesn’t give a shit. They just keep putting people into the meat grinder. Plus they now smell blood in the water. They’re not paying a price anymore because the Uke’s weapon shipments and intel has slowed. They are using that as a way to consolidate gains and dig in. Plus they are also launching a bunch of offensive actions. That doesn’t sound like a pause to me. Overall it’s starting to make us look weak. I couldn’t care less about Ukraine. But if you’re going to involve yourself and lay down some bright lines you should stick to them.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 06:58 PM (7Lr83)

70 What does he think would happen at that point? Russia would negotiate away its gains on the ground? And when they refuse to do so, Z is going to reinitiate hostilities?
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 23, 2025 06:50 PM (UBKzV)
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Sniffy the Cokehead has no end game in mind. At this point, he's likely to be killed in a coup or executed for his crimes after the war. Even a scenic apartment in Dubai is out of reach because both the Russians and the Ukes want him dead.

So he plays for time, postures, does another line, and live to see another day.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 06:58 PM (ZOv7s)

71 Owen McIntire exudes creepiness.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2025 06:58 PM (XeU6L)

72
Lordy Gordy, those twins are as creepy as all get out.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 06:58 PM (QnmlO)

73 >>I like the current Japanese people under their current governance, certainly more than the current Russian people under their current governance.

Our CIA literally overthrew the elected government of Ukraine and replaced it with their own stooges. Not just Crimea, the whole country.

What do you think Russians who know this think about us?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 23, 2025 06:58 PM (viF8m)

74 I don't get why any Americans would crave Russia becoming larger, wealthier and more powerful.

Why not? It's 2025, not 1985. Time for a working alliance with Russia is long overdue and leave limp dicked Muslim Europe behind with their rape gangs and dancing boys.

Posted by: Look To The Future at April 23, 2025 06:58 PM (R/m4+)

75 42 I hate the Russians,

==

Weird, because they did less damage to us than the Germans and the Japanese. Do you hate the Germans and the Japanese at all ??
Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 06:45 PM (g47mK)

I served during the Cold War... and ya know? I've never been shot at by a Russian... Moslems? oh yeah, more than once... never a Russian.

Funny that.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2025 06:59 PM (QAkQ3)

76 I "hate" the Russians because I've seen East Germany and Poland under the Iron Curtain. Perfectly fine people, forced to live in prison-like conditions. We (American troops) cheered every time we saw an "Eastie" cross the border.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:00 PM (2cS/G)

77 What, is big mike using the same hair stylist as Whoopie Gloldberg?

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 23, 2025 07:00 PM (7YgJX)

78 Is it Earth Day today?

Do I have to rub one out to Greta?

If you can do it to Hilary, Mooch, Nancy, Helen Thomas and Maxine Waters, Greta will be a snap.

Posted by: Stateless.. 19% - mental state clawing up from 10%, shit happened, clawing back next week at April 23, 2025 07:00 PM (jvJvP)

79 Michelle Obama is just about the most insufferable person I've ever heard. All she does is complain about her black woman victim status. It's so boring.

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 23, 2025 07:01 PM (qBdHI)

80 Only one of those bottle bombs exploded, and investigators were able to recover the second completely intact, the statement said. It appeared to be an apple cider vinegar bottle, according to photos from the scene.

Written on many gasoline fuel dispensers is the federal warning that it is a felony, punishable by ten years a/o ten thousand dollars for storage of gasoline in a glass container.

The authorities are holding on to evidence that the perp violated federal law.

Of course, I expect absolutely nothing from Bondi, Patel and Bongino because of the Gentleman's Agreement they have with the Deep State to not touch Party Members.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 23, 2025 07:01 PM (a4flb)

81 Trump needs a DOJ lawyer willing to say:
"With all due respect, your honor, you were not elected President--Trump was. The people elected him, not you. If you think you have the power to order this, the Constitution permits you to run for President. Until then, we will treat your orders as advisory. And unconstitutional."

The recent discussion about why we don't have activist conservative judges flows from the fact that the legal profession is more a feminine power--hierarchy, rules, threats, tricks, deceit, coercion.
Leftism's inherent skillset.
Bondi may be fully capable. And out of her depth.
Because, to counter that, you need masculine power:
Force, direct, aggressive, attacking, resoluteness.

That's why Trump is losing at the courts:
He's playing on their turf, by their rules, in a war of attrition he can't win.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 23, 2025 07:01 PM (+3+7z)

82 Just a reminder, the Cold War was an ideological conflict against Communism and the Soviet Union.

It was never against "Russia."

Russia has never been a US enemy, and often a helpful ally. People wanting to pick a fight with Russia are either paid shills or have completely lost the plot.

It is not now, nor ever was, a strategic interest of the United States as to where Russia's western frontier was.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:01 PM (ZOv7s)

83 "He can have Peace or, he can fight for another three years before losing the whole Country."

It won't take that long. Maybe another year.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at April 23, 2025 07:02 PM (w6EFb)

84 Why not? It's 2025, not 1985. Time for a working alliance with Russia is long overdue and leave limp dicked Muslim Europe behind with their rape gangs and dancing boys.

Posted by: Look To The Future at April 23, 2025 06:58 PM (R/m4+)

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It would be nice to ally with Russia and drive a wedge between them and China (our greatest foreign threat presently).

Posted by: ShainS --Waking Up Early is White Supremacy at April 23, 2025 07:02 PM (6BR2/)

85 We have a lot in common with the Russian people. We don’t have a lot in common with Putin and his cronies. People largely underestimate him as a foe because the liberals have made him a bogeyman for everything. That buries the fact he’s taken a lot of offensive action against the US that looks a lot like seeding the future battlefield. I’m talking beyond the normal cat and mouse shit. Right now he’s showing what he’s capable of by pretty much defying Trump right to his face.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 07:03 PM (7Lr83)

86 I "hate" the Russians because I've seen East Germany and Poland under the Iron Curtain. Perfectly fine people, forced to live in prison-like conditions. We (American troops) cheered every time we saw an "Eastie" cross the border.
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:00 PM (2cS/G)
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They had their own Communist parties and took care of their own oppression. The Russians didn't build the Stasi, the East Germans did.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:03 PM (ZOv7s)

87 Michelle Obama is just about the most insufferable person I've ever heard. All she does is complain about her black woman victim status. It's so boring.
Posted by: Lady in Black at April 23, 2025 07:01 PM (qBdHI)
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She's paid by the whine.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 23, 2025 07:03 PM (tT6L1)

88 Our CIA literally overthrew the elected government of Ukraine and replaced it with their own stooges. Not just Crimea, the whole country.

What do you think Russians who know this think about us?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 23, 2025 06:58 PM

I don't like our CIA either!

I am amazed at all of the people that can determine with great confidence who I support after I state who I do NOT support.

Any chance you can send me the winning Powerball numbers? I will split the jackpot with you 50-50! (Of course, you will have to front me the money for the ticket.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 23, 2025 07:03 PM (HlyYF)

89 ugh, the old timers who just cannot give up the Cold War. that we won.

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 07:03 PM (g47mK)

90 Actually, that's incorrect. Russia did seize Ukraine territory three years ago, but the Crimea was seized 11 years ago.

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Crimea...

Crimea...

That name sounds familiar.

Is that the autonomous state that signed an agreement with Russia that Russia could take control if they became insolvent, and then they became insolvent and Russia took control per the terms of their agreed upon contract?

Posted by: Boron Cobbie's Pope interview - What is a woman, and how old is the Earth? at April 23, 2025 07:03 PM (6GvqP)

91 In some neutral hypothetical discussion, no I don't want Russia to get larger and richer. But reality is not a philosophic debate. Ukraine is a failed state with no economy. The SBU (Ukrainian intel) is run by nuts who have no compunction about assassinating anyone they don't like inside or outside of Ukraine. I am convinced they were involved in the Butler PA attempt on Trump's life.

Russia is welcome to take over every square inch of Ukraine, especially if we can send all of the Chrystia Freeland fascist types living here in the West under surnames suspiciously free of the letter yyyyyyyyyy.

Posted by: the lower depths at April 23, 2025 07:03 PM (+b4rY)

92 Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd , that is not consistent with my experience. Tell me more.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:03 PM (2cS/G)

93 82 Just a reminder, the Cold War was an ideological conflict against Communism and the Soviet Union.

It was never against "Russia."

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:01 PM (ZOv7s)

You make an interesting point.

Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at April 23, 2025 07:04 PM (ZNSbE)

94 Yes, Big Mike, we've all been noticing how difficult you've found it to complain about everything, all the time, always.

Yeah, black women are so quiet.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 23, 2025 07:04 PM (V9cMX)

95 He (?) looks as we've come to expect zems to look:

They/it always do.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 23, 2025 07:04 PM (mH6SG)

96 Yes, Big Mike, we've all been noticing how difficult you've found it to complain about everything, all the time, always.

She's a regular Marcus Aurelius.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 07:04 PM (s8j++)

97 I recall Michelle complaining about having to live in the White House. Oh, the horror...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 23, 2025 07:05 PM (XeU6L)

98
Michelle Obama is just about the most insufferable person I've ever heard. All she does is complain about her black woman victim status. It's so boring.
Posted by: Lady in Black at April 23, 2025 07:01 PM (qBdHI)

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She has no skills and no ability. She doesn't do anything, has never done anything and will never do anything. The only thing she's ever run is her mouth.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 07:05 PM (QnmlO)

99 Putin "has a lot in common" with those people, doesn't stop him from killing them.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:05 PM (2cS/G)

100 I didn’t read the story and looked at the picture and thought “That’s a homely girl.”

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 23, 2025 07:05 PM (g/Chl)

101 >>Of course, I expect absolutely nothing from Bondi, Patel and Bongino because of the Gentleman's Agreement they have with the Deep State to not touch Party Members.

That theory is about to be tested. Tulsi just referred 2 intel community drones with a 3rd on the way for criminal prosecution for leaking classified docs for political reasons.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 23, 2025 07:05 PM (viF8m)

102 Evenin’, All.

Boobs!

Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 07:05 PM (77rzZ)

103 Why not? It's 2025, not 1985. Time for a working alliance with Russia is long overdue and leave limp dicked Muslim Europe behind with their rape gangs and dancing boys.
Posted by: Look To The Future
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Yeah, that they no longer follow an ideology seeking world revolution is a plus. But I think they retain traditional Russian goals, which means access to the Mediterranean. Doesn't really bother me that much. Hell, if they'd have stayed in and won WWI, the British had pretty much guaranteed them Constantinople.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 23, 2025 07:05 PM (UBKzV)

104 We should have kept marching right to Moscow at the end of WWII. We really didn’t need the Russians to defeat Germany. Would we have paid a higher price? Yes, but that’s war. The result would have been a completely different post war period.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 07:06 PM (7Lr83)

105 Saw those twins last night. Bizarre. Dr. Drew said he's seen that with other twins.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2025 06:42 PM (63Dwl)

They're 47, still live at home and sleep in the same room ... Creepy..

Posted by: It's me donna at April 23, 2025 06:52 PM

And they are most likely lesbians. There was a set of twins in their late 20s just like there here in my rural NE Texas county. I would see them at Walmart sometimes dressed identically and walking into the store holding hands. Same hair cuts, clothes, shoes and purses. It was kind of creepy. I have not seen them recently though.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 23, 2025 07:06 PM (e5NfL)

106 Yeah, black women are so quiet.

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OH NO YOU DINT OH HELL NO IMMA BEAT YO ASS

Posted by: Boron Cobbie's Pope interview - What is a woman, and how old is the Earth? at April 23, 2025 07:06 PM (6GvqP)

107 That's why Trump is losing at the courts:
He's playing on their turf, by their rules, in a war of attrition he can't win.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 23, 2025 07:01 PM (+3+7z)
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You have it exactly wrong. The district court gambit was supposed to break up Trump's momentum and goad him into impulsively violating a TRO and getting cited for contempt.

But he didn't do that, and he continues to weave in between their various rulings, tying them in knots and driving them insane. SCOTUS is totally confused, because they either have to cave, or commit themselves to casting aside all immigration law, forever.

Trump has many more cards to play as well, and he's doing so judiciously. The pain is on their side, not his.

Not one case has yet gone to trial, it's all interim rulings. When they go to trial, the whole house of cards collapses, and Trump is ready for it. Until then, he uses different authorities, different jurisdictions and ties them in knots.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:06 PM (ZOv7s)

108
It has extraordinarily tiresome that leaders of the African American community cannot rise above reciting the same old whiny excuses and grievances on which they have relied for the last sixty years. At some point you need to grow up, suck it up, and start taking steps to advance your "people" yourselves. All that the decades-long hand holding and mollycoddling by "activists" and government allies has accomplished was to make your collective community more infantile, short-tempered and worse.

Get over it already. Get to work on yourselves among yourselves. Demonstrate some dignity. All your Maxines, your Jasmines, your Hakeems and your LeBrons aren't the answer -- you are.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 23, 2025 07:06 PM (Yv9jh)

109 Yeah, I can see a trace of an Adam’s apple now that I’m really looking.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 23, 2025 07:07 PM (g/Chl)

110 Bondi may be fully capable. And out of her depth.
Because, to counter that, you need masculine power:
Force, direct, aggressive, attacking, resoluteness.

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I'll have you know, sir, that Sean Hannity has known Bondi for 30 years and fully endorses her toughness, focus, & brutality!

Oh, nevermind ...

Posted by: ShainS --Waking Up Early is White Supremacy at April 23, 2025 07:07 PM (6BR2/)

111 We should have kept marching right to Moscow at the end of WWII.

Posted by: Marcus T

You think the guys in the ETO might have felt a bit differently?

Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 07:07 PM (s8j++)

112 The craziest thing about the tranny fire bomber is paying out of state tuition for ZooMass Boston. Even the local ghetto rats turn their noses up at that joke of a school

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at April 23, 2025 07:07 PM (wBaIH)

113 You do mean the agency flipped Ukraine after the KGB and GRU flipped it their way- right? Do you actually believe the Russian installed government was legit? lol

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 07:08 PM (7Lr83)

114 She has no skills and no ability. She doesn't do anything, has never done anything and will never do anything. The only thing she's ever run is her mouth.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 07:05 PM (QnmlO)

Agreed. If Affirmative Action had a Queen, She'd be it.

All Hail Queen Big Mike Obammy The First, King Of All The Hood Rats and Hung Like A Donkey.

Posted by: The Penis at April 23, 2025 07:08 PM (R/m4+)

115 BifBewalski -
I answered your question at the end of the last thread.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 23, 2025 07:08 PM (g/Chl)

116 It is not now, nor ever was, a strategic interest of the United States as to where Russia's western frontier was.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:01 PM

I sure didn't like it when their western border was an Iron Curtain across much of eastern Europe.

Of course, I have been escorted out of East Berlin by ten Stasi.

If it helps, I don't like the current Ukrainians under their current governance either!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 23, 2025 07:08 PM (HlyYF)

117 Hi I’m a journalism.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 07:08 PM (DKKgv)

118 Mooch found her African roots

Posted by: Skip at April 23, 2025 07:09 PM (ypFCm)

119 We should have kept marching right to Moscow at the end of WWII. We really didn’t need the Russians to defeat Germany. Would we have paid a higher price? Yes, but that’s war. The result would have been a completely different post war period.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 07:06 PM (7Lr83)
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Not an option. The American public was tired of war and living on ration cards. Plus, who would lead it? FDR? Truman?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:09 PM (ZOv7s)

120 @Marcus T, yeah, in retrospect we could have, maybe should have, but our existential threat had been defeated, time to bring the boys home.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:09 PM (2cS/G)

121 Yeah, black women are so quiet.
Posted by: bear

Some people blame the Great Society for the destruction of the black family and creating an incentive for black fathers to leave.

I blame God for giving black men ears and legs.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 23, 2025 07:10 PM (7YgJX)

122 Zelensky has been going to the hamas school of negotiating.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2025 07:10 PM (yp8Vj)

123 Not one case has yet gone to trial, it's all interim rulings. When they go to trial, the whole house of cards collapses, and Trump is ready for it. Until then, he uses different authorities, different jurisdictions and ties them in knots.

Right, they are all using judicial stunts like stays and injunctions to stop Trump without even having a trial yet. I cannot say things will necessarily go the way Trump wants if it ever actually gets to trial but there hasn't even BEEN one yet. Just judges giving their opinions.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:10 PM (2VST1)

124 >> I recall Michelle complaining about having to live in the White House. Oh, the horror.

She complained when a little old lady, who probably never existed, had the temerity to ask her to get an item off the Top Shelf on one of her incognito visits to Target.

My guess is she left off her wig and didn't tape down her dick on those days.

Posted by: garrett at April 23, 2025 07:10 PM (F30Ty)

125 Holy fuck I forgot the Ukistani thing was even a thing. Does the “news” even cover it anymore? I mean who has time what with 24/7 minute by minute coverage of MS13 Maryland Man?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 07:10 PM (DKKgv)

126 >> You think the guys in the ETO might have felt a bit differently?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 07:07 PM (s8j++)

We massed enough resources and had adequate bombers on the continent. Germany is as already collapsing at that point. I have several family members who were on the front lines and those who returned echoed my sentiments. They hated the Russians and would have followed Patton to hell and back.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 07:10 PM (7Lr83)

127 Funny how people who rail agains Imperial Russian ambitions, are totes ok with marching thousands of miles into foreign lands... For Democracy. But then rail against illegal Crimean takeover11!!, but totes ok with occupation of lands thousand miles away. Again, for the betterment of the world.

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 07:10 PM (g47mK)

128 Marching to Moscow was sure Patton’s inclination. May be why the OSS (now CIA) had him assassinated.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 23, 2025 07:10 PM (g/Chl)

129 It's comical because Big Mike is just playing the role, same as Jazzmin.

Black people in blackface is always weird as heck.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie's Pope interview - What is a woman, and how old is the Earth? at April 23, 2025 07:10 PM (6GvqP)

130 113 You do mean the agency flipped Ukraine after the KGB and GRU flipped it their way- right? Do you actually believe the Russian installed government was legit? lol
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Yanukavich won the 2010 election. He probably won the 2004 election before the Bush Admin forced a do-over election cause 'muh democracy'. Yanukavich was forced out of office by mobs taking over government buildings, something I am assured by reliable sources is an insurrection.

Posted by: the lower depths at April 23, 2025 07:10 PM (+b4rY)

131 I'd like to have a blog entry to "articulate my pain."

It'll run 3307 pages.

COB's? Ace? Anyone?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 23, 2025 07:11 PM (Q4IgG)

132 I don't like our CIA either!

>>I am amazed at all of the people that can determine with great confidence who I support after I state who I do NOT support.

I don't support the CIA either. But they are part of America. It's no different than hating all Russians because of the actions of their government.

I know so really great Russia people. They don't much care for their government either. I dislike the Russian government but the people are just people. Some are good some are bad. Our government spent 2 years whipping us into a frenzy of hate at Russia when the war started to cover for the fact that it was largely instigated by western governments.

I hate the CIA at least as much as I hate Putin's government because they fuck with me a lot more than Putin ever did.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 23, 2025 07:11 PM (viF8m)

133 Zelensky has been going to the hamas school of negotiating.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2025 07:10 PM (yp8Vj)

And ops as well. Holding military pow-wows in basement of schools, then whining about Russian hits.

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 07:12 PM (g47mK)

134 >> We really didn’t need the Russians to defeat Germany.

Lol, that’s insane. The US struggled to meet manpower goals throughout the war. Logistics in western Europe were a train wreck. The idea the US military could overpower the Soviets, who had just ejected the most successful military in history from their homelands, while at a massive deficit of men and materiel is delusional, historical revisionist nonsense.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 07:12 PM (/dDa4)

135 I don't get why any Americans would crave Russia becoming larger, wealthier and more powerful. I spent my 20's trying to prevent that.
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 06:54 PM (2cS/G)

When you were in your 20's, you were trying to prevent the Soviet Union from spreading Communism across the world. The Soviet Union collapsed in 1989. Maybe you missed that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2025 07:12 PM (8zz6B)

136 I sure didn't like it when their western border was an Iron Curtain across much of eastern Europe.

Of course, I have been escorted out of East Berlin by ten Stasi.

If it helps, I don't like the current Ukrainians under their current governance either!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 23, 2025 07:08 PM (HlyYF)
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The Cold War is over. I know it's hard to accept it, but it's really done.

We don't have to keep re-fighting it. Eastern Europe has been dealing with Russia for thousands of years. They can sort it out among themselves.

Besides, there are no permanent borders in Eastern Europe. Not worth the life of one dogface GI to defend.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:12 PM (ZOv7s)

137 Some people blame the Great Society for the destruction of the black family and creating an incentive for black fathers to leave.

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It wasn't the men that left. The women kicked them out because it threatened their $$$

IIRC (some of the older NYC morons can chime in here) there were projects in NYC and I'm sure other (D) cities that banned men from the premises.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie's Pope interview - What is a woman, and how old is the Earth? at April 23, 2025 07:12 PM (6GvqP)

138 126 >> You think the guys in the ETO might have felt a bit differently?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 07:07 PM (s8j++)

We massed enough resources and had adequate bombers on the continent. Germany is as already collapsing at that point. I have several family members who were on the front lines and those who returned echoed my sentiments. They hated the Russians and would have followed Patton to hell and back.
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This is totally delusional Boomer nonsense. Have you read anything about the Eastern Front, even if its just some David Glanz? The VAST majority of the Wehrmacht wasn't fighting us, because they were fighting the Red Army.

Patton was a great movie in 1970, but it's not history.

Posted by: the lower depths at April 23, 2025 07:13 PM (+b4rY)

139 yeah, marching "to Moscow" ... never a good idea. and then what ?

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 07:13 PM (g47mK)

140 Yanukavich won the 2010 election. He probably won the 2004 election before the Bush Admin forced a do-over election cause 'muh democracy'. Yanukavich was forced out of office by mobs taking over government buildings, something I am assured by reliable sources is an insurrection.
Posted by: the lower depths at April 23, 2025 07:10 PM (+b4rY)
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Victoria Nuland just happened to be on hand with cameras and cupcakes!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:13 PM (ZOv7s)

141 127 Funny how people who rail agains Imperial Russian ambitions, are totes ok with marching thousands of miles into foreign lands... For Democracy. But then rail against illegal Crimean takeover11!!, but totes ok with occupation of lands thousand miles away. Again, for the betterment of the world.
Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 07:10 PM (g47mK)

Yeah Russia defending its own border is the most worst thing ever. But going to Iraq twice to bring “democracy” over there…totes cool.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 07:14 PM (DKKgv)

142 If it helps, I don't like the current Ukrainians under their current governance either!

That is the problem isn't it? Neither side is good. Neither side is the good guys. Ukraine is horrifically corrupt and has been basically using the west to enrich certain small groups of people there, and Russia keeps invading neighboring countries on hilarious pretexts. They're both jerks. The hell with both of them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:14 PM (2VST1)

143 @Alberta Peon, perhaps you missed Putin saying that re-establishing the USSR is his primary and existential goal?

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:14 PM (2cS/G)

144 German air power had almost completely been defeated by that point in the war. Germany was stretched thin by fighting a two front war. They don’t have the resources to fight the Russians who just threw bodies at it. On the other hand, the allies had no such issues.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 07:15 PM (7Lr83)

145
Get over it already. Get to work on yourselves among yourselves. Demonstrate some dignity.

_________

People like people who share their values, whatever their race or creed.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 07:15 PM (QnmlO)

146 We should have kept marching right to Moscow at the end of WWII. We really didn’t need the Russians to defeat Germany. Would we have paid a higher price? Yes, but that’s war. The result would have been a completely different post war period.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 07:06 PM

And that is why the OSS assassinated Patton. There were afraid he would generate an incident and start a war with the russians while we had the Army in place to fight them. They also knew if he ran for president and won he would have gotten us into a shooting war with russia quickly.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 23, 2025 07:15 PM (e5NfL)

147 Yanukavich won the 2010 election. He probably won the 2004 election before the Bush Admin forced a do-over election cause 'muh democracy'. Yanukavich was forced out of office by mobs taking over government buildings, something I am assured by reliable sources is an insurrection.
Posted by: the lower depths at April 23, 2025 07:10 PM (+b4rY)
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Victoria Nuland just happened to be on hand with cameras and cupcakes!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at A

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The articles aren't easy to get search engines to pull up any more, but IIRC dozens if not hundreds of top-tier American election specialists were in-country for that.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie's Pope interview - What is a woman, and how old is the Earth? at April 23, 2025 07:15 PM (6GvqP)

148 It wasn't the men that left. The women kicked them out because it threatened their $$$

Posted by: Boron Cobbie's Pope interview

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It was a joke.

They didn't kick them out, they just never got married. Often the women would decide they wanted to move out of their mom's house so they got knocked up (anyway they could) to get on the check.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 23, 2025 07:15 PM (7YgJX)

149 @141 I was thinking of great minds who think that marching on to Moscow, in May 1945 would have been a good idea. And then what ? Install Governor General Patton in the Kremlin ?

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 07:16 PM (g47mK)

150 >>You do mean the agency flipped Ukraine after the KGB and GRU flipped it their way- right? Do you actually believe the Russian installed government was legit? lol

So you're happy that our government is as corrupt as Putin. Super.

Putin actually stopped a color revolution in Kazakhstan. Called it out by name. We've been fucking with governments in eastern Europe and the Balkans not to mention the Middle East since the end of WWII. How has that worked out for us?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 23, 2025 07:16 PM (viF8m)

151 She complained when a little old lady, who probably never existed, had the temerity to ask her to get an item off the Top Shelf on one of her incognito visits to Target.

Some "little old lady" would have to kick and punch her way past a phalanx of Secret Service agents all who are brawny and tall enough to get an item from the Top Shelf.

I'm going to call that story "Bullshit".

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 23, 2025 07:16 PM (a4flb)

152 You think after 3.5 years of fighting Japan and Germany the American people wanted to fight Russia? A war with Russia would have been political suicide for Truman.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 07:17 PM (DKKgv)

153 Never fight wars you cannot win!

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 07:17 PM (g47mK)

154 German air power had almost completely been defeated by that point in the war. Germany was stretched thin by fighting a two front war. They don’t have the resources to fight the Russians who just threw bodies at it. On the other hand, the allies had no such issues.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 07:15 PM (7Lr83)
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The Commonwealth was out of men. They would not have joined in the fight.

The US did not have enough troops in theater to invade Eastern Europe. We were faced with severe infantry shortages into the spring of 1945.

As soon as V-E Day was over, we were frantically pulling troops out to fight Japan. We were stretched to our limit.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:18 PM (ZOv7s)

155 The articles aren't easy to get search engines to pull up any more

On virtually any topic. It's obvious that search engines are meant to thwart their stated purpose.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 23, 2025 07:18 PM (V9cMX)

156 @runner Never fight wars you don't intend to win.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:19 PM (2cS/G)

157 144 German air power had almost completely been defeated by that point in the war. Germany was stretched thin by fighting a two front war. They don’t have the resources to fight the Russians who just threw bodies at it. On the other hand, the allies had no such issues.
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You clearly have never read anything on these issues published in the last 40 years or so. Heck, watch one of the better MilHis YouTubers who cite their sources like Military History Visualized.

The Brits and Canadians had manpower shortages in 1944 already. AAA units were turned into infantry during the Ardennes Counter-Offensive because even the US Army was short of riflemen.

"Operation Unthinkable" was aptly named, because a war with the Soviets in 1945 would have taken massive amounts of resources and led to untold casualties. Hell, you might fade out of existence Marty McFly style because your old man bought it in Smolensk or some such place. The Red Army outnumbered the Western Allies in 1945 by up to 10:1 in some arms.

Posted by: the lower depths at April 23, 2025 07:19 PM (+b4rY)

158 Yeah the American people were done with the war and fighting and their sons dying and suffering and being so far from home. And look, we know now how evil the Soviets were, but that was kept from the people during the war, and we were ALLIES.

Yes, we could have defeated the tattered, starving remnants of the Soviet army. Yes, we could have pitched the communists out of power. But there's no way the political will or popular support would be behind it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:19 PM (2VST1)

159 153 Never fight wars you cannot win!
Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 07:17 PM (g47mK)

VAMANOS

Posted by: Paraguay at April 23, 2025 07:19 PM (gKWVE)

160 I have several family members who were on the front lines and those who returned echoed my sentiments. They hated the Russians and would have followed Patton to hell and back.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 07:10 PM (7Lr83)

Your family members didn’t even make it to Berlin until after the war was over. Pathetic.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 07:19 PM (/dDa4)

161 And that is why the OSS assassinated Patton. There were afraid he would generate an incident and start a war with the russians while we had the Army in place to fight them. They also knew if he ran for president and won he would have gotten us into a shooting war with russia quickly.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 23, 2025 07:15 PM (e5NfL)
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That army was being repositioned as soon as the fighting stopped.

The UK immediately began to demobilize. No one wanted another war.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:19 PM (ZOv7s)

162 131 I'd like to have a blog entry to "articulate my pain."

It'll run 3307 pages.

COB's? Ace? Anyone?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 23, 2025 07:11 PM (Q4IgG)

Sweetie, I think she was just trying to point out that SHE is a pain, but she's not very articulate, so you may have misunderstood her.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 23, 2025 07:20 PM (a4NoL)

163 It was a joke.

They didn't kick them out, they just never got married. Often the women would decide they wanted to move out of their mom's house so they got knocked up (anyway they could) to get on the check.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus)

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Yep. The part where men were banned from welfare housing was brilliant, though. You would be hard pressed to figure out a better, faster way to destroy a family structure. Not even one normal generation.

And I recently learned that the Pareto principal is at work in black pregnancies, which was fascinating. 20% of the black men are responsible for 80% of the pregnancies of black women.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie's Pope interview - What is a woman, and how old is the Earth? at April 23, 2025 07:20 PM (6GvqP)

164 On virtually any topic. It's obvious that search engines are meant to thwart their stated purpose.

Yeah they say the internet is forever but there is pretty much a wall of content before a certain date that you cannot find any more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:20 PM (2VST1)

165 "Operation Unthinkable" was aptly named, because a war with the Soviets in 1945 would have taken massive amounts of resources and led to untold casualties. Hell, you might fade out of existence Marty McFly style because your old man bought it in Smolensk or some such place. The Red Army outnumbered the Western Allies in 1945 by up to 10:1 in some arms.

Posted by: the lower depths at April 23, 2025 07:19 PM

It would not have been a conventional war. Remember at that point in time the United States was the only country with atomic weapons. And we were building them an an ever increasing rate.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 23, 2025 07:21 PM (e5NfL)

166 146

Patton was an Army commander, and not an Army Group Commander. By the time he died, he had no command of troops at all. His "command" in practice was a bunch of staff officers doing archive work for future official histories. It's kid of hard to start World War III with some archivists.

Posted by: the lower depths at April 23, 2025 07:21 PM (+b4rY)

167 I'm no Historian...

but I don't recall throwing armies at Russia ever working well out for anyone.

Posted by: garrett at April 23, 2025 07:21 PM (F30Ty)

168 Maybe Zelenskyy has an accident, gets replaced by someone more receptive to our policy

It's an unpredictable world

Posted by: Don Black at April 23, 2025 07:21 PM (AOsQT)

169 We should have kept marching right to Moscow at the end of WWII.
Posted by: Marcus T

I'm sorry, Marcus. I like you, but that's just ridiculous.

First of all, when the Nazis surrendered we hadn't even beaten Japan yet, which was the immediately more dangerous military enemy than Stalin. Plus, the American people would not have put up with it. They were sick of war by 1945, and would certainly have questioned why we were going to war against an erstwhile ally. Finally, have you heard about the fates of armies that invade Russia?

Your argument is nonsense.

Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 07:21 PM (77rzZ)

170 perhaps you missed Putin saying that re-establishing the USSR is his primary and existential goal?
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:14 PM (2cS/G)
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I call B.S. Putin knows Russia cannot maintain and empire like the USSR. He watched it fall.

What he wants is NATO off his front doorstep and replaced by a belt of "Finlandized" neutrals without Russia's historic area of influence, just like we have our Monroe Doctrine.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:22 PM (ZOv7s)

171 The Red Army outnumbered the Western Allies in 1945 by up to 10:1 in some arms.
Posted by: the lower depths at April 23, 2025 07:19 PM (+b4rY)

But I watched a movie! American soldiers were 100 times better! (They actually kind of sucked, but the Germans were crazy good. Everyone struggled against the Wehrmacht.)

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 07:22 PM (/dDa4)

172 but I don't recall throwing armies at Russia ever working well out for anyone.

"Worked out fine for us"
--The Mongols

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:22 PM (2VST1)

173 No one’s fighting back at the assertion the OSS assassinated Patton. There is evidence concerning his death, and yes, obvious assassination. It was not like in the movie.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 23, 2025 07:23 PM (g/Chl)

174 On virtually any topic. It's obvious that search engines are meant to thwart their stated purpose.

Yeah they say the internet is forever but there is pretty much a wall of content before a certain date that you cannot find any more.

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Yep. I know for a fact there is a letter from one founding father to another discussing the indians, and in it this is (roughly) written:

If they continue to refuse to climb the ladder of civilization they will be driven west along with the other beasts

But it doesn't exist anywhere online. The weird part is even AI is programmed to avoid it.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie's Pope interview - What is a woman, and how old is the Earth? at April 23, 2025 07:23 PM (6GvqP)

175 What he wants is NATO off his front doorstep and replaced by a belt of "Finlandized" neutrals without Russia's historic area of influence, just like we have our Monroe Doctrine.

Right, he's got the usual Russian paranoia of invasion and wants a buffer zone. And he wants total control over all areas that Russians are in. Very nationalistic and protective of his people. At least, the people who don't disagree with him.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:24 PM (2VST1)

176 Oh FFS. We were sending airplanes and other war machines to Russia before we even entered WWII. Lend-lease was huge business, and probably the reason we could scale up production more easily when we did finally enter.

Hanger 1 at Ft. Wainwright, which was originally Ladd Field, is still there, it is still huge, and it was always divided by a huge curtain, one side of which was US property and the other side of which was USSR property. Right now they use it for gymnasium space and office space, but it was the entire reason Ladd Field existed in the first place.

Ft. Wainwright is now Stryker Brigade territory, but the history is all still there.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 23, 2025 07:24 PM (a4NoL)

177 Democrats seem to be living full time in Bedlam as located in Dis.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 23, 2025 07:24 PM (szPgS)

178 Gutfield clip made me lol

Awesome twins

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at April 23, 2025 07:24 PM (dE3DB)

179 It would not have been a conventional war. Remember at that point in time the United States was the only country with atomic weapons. And we were building them an an ever increasing rate.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 23, 2025 07:21 PM (e5NfL)
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At that point in time we didn't know if the bombs would even work.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:24 PM (ZOv7s)

180 @Alberta Peon, perhaps you missed Putin saying that re-establishing the USSR is his primary and existential goal?
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:14 PM (2cS/G)

Yeah. That's why he has re-established the Russian communist party, and suppressed the Russian Orthodox church.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2025 07:24 PM (8zz6B)

181 >And that is why the OSS assassinated Patton.
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seriously? c'mon

Posted by: Don Black at April 23, 2025 07:25 PM (AOsQT)

182 >> So you're happy that our government is as corrupt as Putin. Super.

Happy? No. But that’s how the game has been played for a long time. Personally I think it’s outdated and counterproductive. Let people gravitate towards the government they want, not what’s advantageous to another sovereign. But the problem then becomes what’s your counter attack when Russia moves in and starts knocking down governments by subverting legitimately elected people? I suppose we could do nothing. But at what point does that becomes antithetical or threatening to ours interests, if ever? Russia is already pulling this same shit in other Eastern European countries and creeping into places like Poland. My issue is that history shows at some point we end up involved. The question then becomes at what point is it in our national interest to get involved and how is that done? I suppose we can say never, but that would be ahistorical and something that’s never been done. Simon a way I think Trump has a point. Build commerce and build the right incentives (read not the China model) to integrate Russia into the modern world. Problem is I don’t think Putin wants that.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 07:25 PM (7Lr83)

183 She's paid by the whine.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 23, 2025 07:03 PM (tT6L1)

That's how Michelle O pays for her wine.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 23, 2025 07:25 PM (VNX3d)

184 The Cold War is over. I know it's hard to accept it, but it's really done.

We don't have to keep re-fighting it. Eastern Europe has been dealing with Russia for thousands of years. They can sort it out among themselves.

Besides, there are no permanent borders in Eastern Europe. Not worth the life of one dogface GI to defend.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:12 PM

I have never had so many people put so many words into my mouth during an AOS thread!

You said you didn't care where Russia's western boundary is. I do care.

I didn't like expansionism of the Soviet Union under Russian leadership during the Cold War. I don't like Russian expansionism now!

I never called for, hinted, or implied that U.S. troops should be deployed for the purposes of changing the western boundary of Russia.

However, the number of strawmen being sent into battle has been impressive!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 23, 2025 07:25 PM (HlyYF)

185 165

When Eisenhower forced the Army to prepare for the "atomic battlefield" in the 1950s by changing their triangular divisions into "pentomic" monstrosities, the Army (rightly) argued that they were being prepared to fight a war that wouldn't happen. Even in the 1950s with nuclear artillery the theory and tactics behind using nuclear weapons on the battlefield was hypothetical at best. In 1945 it was nonexistent.

Marshall had some studies done to see if atom bombs could help with the landings on Kyushu. The answer was that they would kill nearby exposed Japanese soldiers but would be useless against dug in Japs absent direct hits. In a war of movement against the Red Army, atom bombs would have been less useful than conventional bombing (you have lots of extra bombs and bombers for the latter).

Posted by: the lower depths at April 23, 2025 07:26 PM (+b4rY)

186 but I don't recall throwing armies at Russia ever working well out for anyone.

"Worked out fine for us"
--The Mongols
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The Germans beat them on their own soil in WWI, and then there's the Crimean War. Nothing else coming to mind where they lost a war on their own land. I guess maybe the Poles were on Russian land by the end of the 1920 war.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 23, 2025 07:26 PM (UBKzV)

187 lol. I’m a boomer now. I’ve aged quite a bit in this thread.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 07:26 PM (7Lr83)

188 At that point in time we didn't know if the bombs would even work.

Yeah but we know that they would have. We could have taken Russia, it just would not have been the same as the earlier war with total support and willing sacrifice by the people of the USA.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:26 PM (2VST1)

189
Some "little old lady" would have to kick and punch her way past a phalanx of Secret Service agents all who are brawny and tall enough to get an item from the Top Shelf.

I thought she was talking about an "incident" that happened long before being first lady.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 23, 2025 07:26 PM (63Dwl)

190 ight, he's got the usual Russian paranoia of invasion and wants a buffer zone.

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Crazy Putin. NATO is in Romania, Poland, the Baltics and Finland.

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 07:26 PM (g47mK)

191 ***He looks as we've come to expect zems to look:
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Zo, zsnotty faggots are turning themselves into zsnotty girl parodies. Zats a double negative.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 23, 2025 07:27 PM (eY5jv)

192 It would not have been a conventional war. Remember at that point in time the United States was the only country with atomic weapons. And we were building them an an ever increasing rate.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 23, 2025 07:21 PM (e5NfL)

Nuclear weapons would have worked well against countries with minimal air defenses where you could get a single bomber over the target. Had we been further along in ballistic missile tech, you’d have a point.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 07:27 PM (/dDa4)

193 I'm no Historian, but my understanding is that Europe (basically the UK and France) were so depleted that they couldn't be relied on for basics like food and fuel if we advanced into Russia. But the deciding factor was some General saying "Okay, suppose we take all of Russia, what are we going to do with it?".

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:27 PM (2cS/G)

194 Russia is already pulling this same shit in other Eastern European countries and creeping into places like Poland. My issue is that history shows at some point we end up involved.
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No, history shows we got involved ONCE and should have left after it ended.

Did US troops intervene in the partitions of Poland? What was our policy on the Warsaw Uprising of 1863? How did we feel about the line of contact in Galicia?

WE DIDN'T. And we don't need to bother about it now.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:27 PM (ZOv7s)

195 Speaking of Zs, the peoples of Ukraine should wake up and zap Zelenski.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 23, 2025 07:28 PM (eY5jv)

196 Sorry we will just have to disagree. Our war machine was cranked to 11. We were developing the bomb and FDR knew it. We should have never allied with Stalin but FDR was weak. Like Biden weak. Was the American public tired of war? Sure they were. But in hindsight we could have avoided the entire post war, Cold War era.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2025 07:28 PM (7Lr83)

197 Why are we talking about the Allies breaking the agreements at Potsdam, supporting the Nazi dream of destroying the USSR, and all the while we were preparing for the invasion of Japan?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 23, 2025 07:28 PM (szPgS)

198 Zelensky: It's in our constitution that we won't give up land.
Ukraine has modified their constitution multiple times in 3 years to include they can't negotiate with Russia as long as Putin is president. I thought the gaslighting by western media was bad over covid but it went to an entire new level with Ukraine.

Posted by: ryukyu at April 23, 2025 07:29 PM (r+m2N)

199 Crazy Putin. NATO is in Romania, Poland, the Baltics and Finland.
Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 07:26 PM (g47mK)
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We were going to put Kiev under NATO's nuclear umbrella. That's like China establishing a naval base in Veracruz and putting missiles in Baja.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:29 PM (ZOv7s)

200 > I’m a boomer now. I’ve aged quite a bit in this thread.

Posted by: Marcus T
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every now and then this blog will re-fight a war

Posted by: Don Black at April 23, 2025 07:29 PM (AOsQT)

201 NATO is in Romania, Poland, the Baltics and Finland.

And Putin keeps demonstrating why NATO exists. Yes, I get that he's angry at NATO being so close and wants them to not come closer, but invading other nations is EXACTLY WHY NATO EXISTS. Its literally an organization to protect nations from Russians invading western nations.

I'm not defending putting all these nations into NATO, I want the organization to be ended. I'm just saying... he's doing the exact thing that it was created to protect against, which is not exactly a compelling argument on Putin's part.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:29 PM (2VST1)

202 So who in German history was called a Hitler or Hitler like before Hitler?

Posted by: Dreamingrobot at April 23, 2025 07:29 PM (fOTMA)

203 I will add two more points to my post above: The Soviets had already conquered Eastern Europe, so we would've had to fight our way across eastern Germany and Poland before we even reached the border of the Soviet Union.

The Japanese, who already had a non-aggression pact with the Soviets, would have made common cause with the USSR had we invaded, and bolstered by Soviet resources, might well have eventually won the Pacific War.

There are so many problems with the "We Should've Marched on Moscow" shit that it just flabbergasts me that anyone takes it seriously.

Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 07:29 PM (77rzZ)

204 Since when has the Mooch needed permission to flap her piehole? I'm sure her "pain" at going to Princeton was real. After all, how can she be down with the hood if she is Ivy League? She's not proud of the country that offered her the biggest grift jobs, the chance to shit on everyone on the public dime, and the chance to live her fake little life without consequence? I honestly believe nobody ever told that big ass to shut the hell up. Maybe it's time somebody did.

I have no time for that sort of shit and I would tell her to her face.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 23, 2025 07:30 PM (a4NoL)

205 Europeans ...are they worth saving from themselves ?

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 07:30 PM (g47mK)

206 That's like China establishing a naval base in Veracruz and putting missiles in Baja.

Assuming China and NATO are historically and morally equivalent, sort of LOL.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:30 PM (2VST1)

207 202 So who in German history was called a Hitler or Hitler like before Hitler?
Posted by: Dreamingrobot at April 23, 2025 07:29 PM (fOTMA)

The Kaiser, maybe? IDK.

There have been monumental assholes for all of eternity. Pick one.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 23, 2025 07:31 PM (a4NoL)

208 @Ace Endorsed author, how much of Europe and Asia do you believe Russia should control?

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:31 PM (2cS/G)

209 Yes, I get that he's angry at NATO being so close and wants them to not come closer, but invading other nations is EXACTLY WHY NATO EXISTS. Its literally an organization to protect nations from Russians invading western nations.

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The problem is that NATO openly acknowledged that they were the aggressors and laughed at him when he tried to reach a deal with them not setting up on their doorstep.

NATO admitted they started the Ukraine war.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie's Pope interview - What is a woman, and how old is the Earth? at April 23, 2025 07:31 PM (6GvqP)

210 174 On virtually any topic. It's obvious that search engines are meant to thwart their stated purpose.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie's Pope interview - What is a woman, and how old is the Earth? at April 23, 2025 07:23 PM

During COVID, there was a Japanese study about miscarriages subsequent to the MRNA vaccine.

I wanted to read the study, and searched for it using multiple search engines.

I got dozens of hits for articles allegedly debunking the Japanese study. I never could get a link to the actual study!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 23, 2025 07:31 PM (HlyYF)

211 I got dozens of hits for articles allegedly debunking the Japanese study. I never could get a link to the actual study!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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STOP NOTICING THINGS

Posted by: Boron Cobbie's Pope interview - What is a woman, and how old is the Earth? at April 23, 2025 07:32 PM (6GvqP)

212 Why are we talking about the Allies breaking the agreements at Potsdam, supporting the Nazi dream of destroying the USSR, and all the while we were preparing for the invasion of Japan?
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 23, 2025 07:28 PM (szPgS)
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Let's not forget that the Soviets were very well positioned to help Japan and could have struck into Iran, cutting off badly needed oil supplies. How long could the Brits have stopped them from reaching Suez?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:32 PM (ZOv7s)

213 >>I'm no Historian, but my understanding is that Europe (basically the UK and France) were so depleted that they couldn't be relied on for basics like food and fuel if we advanced into Russia. But the deciding factor was some General saying "Okay, suppose we take all of Russia, what are we going to do with it?".

Not to mention the Russians. They are a very stubborn people, apparently.

My general take has always been that they are essentially a giant Afghanistan when it comes to invading armies.
Your Army might eventually get in, but they tend to break there.

Posted by: garrett at April 23, 2025 07:32 PM (F30Ty)

214 So who in German history was called a Hitler or Hitler like before Hitler?

The Kaiser, or Bismark. Who I'm not convinced would have been such an awful master of Europe had they won WWI. Surely pretty bad, those Prussian guys were pretty awful people but... as bad as we got by beating them?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:32 PM (2VST1)

215 We could have taken Russia, it just would not have been the same as the earlier war with total support and willing sacrifice by the people of the USA.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:26 PM (2VST1)

But that never existed. People were already pissed off about the disruptions to life on the home front, and the massive casualties (which the gov’t was covering up.) The military was forced to demobilize troops after V-E Day because there was resistance to redeploying them to the Pacific. That exacerbated manpower problems.

All of this contributed majorly to the decision to yeet Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The military saw an invasion of the home islands as very difficult, with high loss of life. They were unsure if Americans would tolerate the casualties and were worried about creating another Weimar Germany problem by not getting unconditional surrender and occupation of the Japanese home islands.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 07:33 PM (/dDa4)

216 The Commies say they will kill us. The Moslems say they wil kill us. More Chardonnay?

Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 23, 2025 07:33 PM (QSrLX)

217 Assuming China and NATO are historically and morally equivalent, sort of LOL.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:30 PM (2VST1)
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Why does that matter? I hate that Americans treat foreign policy as Aesop's Fables.

It's strategy, not sainthood.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:34 PM (ZOv7s)

218 The Germans beat them on their own soil in WWI, and then there's the Crimean War. Nothing else coming to mind where they lost a war on their own land. I guess maybe the Poles were on Russian land by the end of the 1920 war.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba

And neither of those came to anything. The German defeats did not prevent the re-emergence of the Russian Empire, minus Poland and Finland and a few other frontier areas. The Russian Empire was still intact after the Crimean War.

Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 07:34 PM (77rzZ)

219 The problem is that NATO openly acknowledged that they were the aggressors and laughed at him when he tried to reach a deal with them not setting up on their doorstep.

Putin had already invaded Georgia and the Crimea before this recent war, this was not NATO provoking attacks. Or was NATO going to set up in Georgia, too?

Literally NATO is an organization to protect western Europe from Russian aggression. To which, Russia responded to by aggression. Its.... ironic.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:34 PM (2VST1)

220 The almost instantaneous beating of the drums in support of Ukraine and the demonization of Russia three years ago was curious to me. I wondered why the media expected their audience to run with their hatred of Russia.

Then I realized they were trying to base it on old Cold War historical vested interests.

But I share Russia's bewilderment that Russia wasn't accepted by the West after the fall of Communism in the '90's.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 23, 2025 07:35 PM (PcTds)

221 The US sent over 4,773 P-39's to Russia alone during the war.

Mind boggling.

Posted by: Lend Lease at April 23, 2025 07:35 PM (R/m4+)

222 >>>I have never had so many people put so many words into my mouth during an AOS thread!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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OK, just relax and tip your head back.
That's right.
Nurse, hold his nose.
Ready?
Open wide.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 23, 2025 07:35 PM (eY5jv)

223 Why does that matter?

I had an argument ready but then I realized... you know the difference. You don't need to be convinced.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:35 PM (2VST1)

224 More innocents killed than ever before in the 1900's? Pshaw, they just weren't trying. More Chardonnay?

Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 23, 2025 07:36 PM (QSrLX)

225 202 So who in German history was called a Hitler or Hitler like before Hitler?

Posted by: Dreamingrobot at April 23, 2025 07:29 PM

I don't know the answer.

However, I bet that guy loves Hitler in exactly the same way that Carter loves Biden!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 23, 2025 07:36 PM (HlyYF)

226 Odd that Putin's forces are driving closer to NATO Country borders, while claiming that he wants distance from such borders, no?

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:36 PM (2cS/G)

227 "Then lastly on Sweden. First of all, it is historic that now Finland is member of the Alliance. And we have to remember the background. The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders."

NATO dot int

https://tinyurl.com/3d7vt93u

Posted by: Boron Cobbie's Pope interview - What is a woman, and how old is the Earth? at April 23, 2025 07:36 PM (6GvqP)

228 As an aside to the discussion of WWII, I just opened one of my mom's boxes of stuff and found a letter written by her brother, who was in the experimental glider program overseas during 1941, asking her to buy a huge box of chocolates for their mom (my grandma) for her birthday since he could not be there to do so. The card to grandma was with the letter, signed by him and my mom who was 11 at the time. History is cooler when it's personal. I thought it was very sweet.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 23, 2025 07:36 PM (a4NoL)

229 Literally NATO is an organization to protect western Europe from Russian aggression. To which, Russia responded to by aggression. Its.... ironic.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:34 PM (2VST1)
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So why did this "defensive" alliance bomb Serbia? And then dismember it?

Why did it overthrow Gaddafi? Self-defense?

NATO is not what it was.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:37 PM (ZOv7s)

230 Imperial Germany did not beat Tsarist Russia in the Great War on the battlefield.

Instead when the Tsarist government toppled, due to German interference to some extent, the Germans immediately cut a peace deal with Moscow.

Which freed up troops to send against England and France.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 23, 2025 07:37 PM (szPgS)

231 WE DIDN'T. And we don't need to bother about it now.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:27 PM (ZOv7s)

Exactly. Europe sucks; let them kill each other. I don’t want to sacrifice blood and treasure in dome Euroweenie pissing match when we have a nation whose borders need defending right now.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 07:37 PM (/dDa4)

232 Imperial Germany did not beat Tsarist Russia in the Great War on the battlefield.

Instead when the Tsarist government toppled, due to German interference to some extent, the Germans immediately cut a peace deal with Moscow.

Which freed up troops to send against England and France.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Yes, absolutely.

Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 07:38 PM (77rzZ)

233 >>>But I share Russia's bewilderment that Russia wasn't accepted by the West after the fall of Communism in the '90's.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel
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DeepState in action. And the press backing them all the way.
Remember what a dufas they said Boris Yeltsin was? Putin's
still pissed about that.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 23, 2025 07:38 PM (eY5jv)

234 Of course, the problem with Russia is that it is full of Russians. We have our fair share of them here, too.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 23, 2025 07:38 PM (a4NoL)

235 STOP NOTICING THINGS

Posted by: Boron Cobbie's Pope interview - What is a woman, and how old is the Earth? at April 23, 2025 07:32 PM

I think that you just saved CNN a bunch of money.

They should put your statement up as their chyron, and just let it ride on the screen 24/7!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 23, 2025 07:38 PM (HlyYF)

236 Odd that Putin's forces are driving closer to NATO Country borders, while claiming that he wants distance from such borders, no?
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:36 PM (2cS/G)
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Yeah, it's called winning a war.

He's going to make Ukraine a buffer state or protectorate, and we pushed him into it.

Because our foreign policy is super-moral.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:39 PM (ZOv7s)

237 Why did it overthrow Gaddafi? Self-defense?

NATO is not what it was

I agree completely. All NATO is now is an excuse for the member nations to not spend a dime on self defense. I want NATO ended. But surely you can see the irony here.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:39 PM (2VST1)

238 >>Exactly. Europe sucks; let them kill each other.

I Endorse this Message.

Posted by: garrett at April 23, 2025 07:39 PM (F30Ty)

239 >>And Putin keeps demonstrating why NATO exists. Yes, I get that he's angry at NATO being so close and wants them to not come closer, but invading other nations is EXACTLY WHY NATO EXISTS. Its literally an organization to protect nations from Russians invading western nations.

You have that backwards. NATO started off with 12 countries and at the time and many times since we told Russia we would not expand further. We lied. Repeatedly. There are now 32 countries in NATO and the reason it was founded, to prevent aggression from the Soviet Union, no longer exists.

When the Soviets were fuckign around in Latin America we were deeply involved with stopping them. We sent weapons, intel and of course the CIA to fight them. We also got into a war when the Soviets tried to put missiles in Cuba. It should surprise nobody that Putin feels the exact same way as western expansion into what he believes is his sphere of influence.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 23, 2025 07:40 PM (viF8m)

240 But surely you can see the irony here.

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It's the Cuban missile crisis, except this time the U.S. is playing the role of the USSR.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie's Pope interview - What is a woman, and how old is the Earth? at April 23, 2025 07:40 PM (6GvqP)

241 Odd that Putin's forces are driving closer to NATO Country borders, while claiming that he wants distance from such borders, no?
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:36 PM (2cS/G)

“I’m not touching, can’t get mad!” gets you a well-deserved punch in the mouth after awhile.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 07:40 PM (/dDa4)

242 Imperial Germany did not beat Tsarist Russia in the Great War on the battlefield.

Instead when the Tsarist government toppled, due to German interference to some extent, the Germans immediately cut a peace deal with Moscow.

Which freed up troops to send against England and France.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 23, 2025 07:37 PM (szPgS)
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When your army melts away and your government is willing to give up as much land is demanded, this is a distinction without a difference.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:40 PM (ZOv7s)

243 US Lend Lease to the USSR

P-39s? You forget the P-40s, P-47s, and B-25s. Plus Sherman tanks and Studebaker trucks. Along with guns, ammo, and food like SPAM.

The UK also sent to the USSR Hurricanes, Spitfires, and other war material.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 23, 2025 07:40 PM (szPgS)

244 So who in German history was called a Hitler or Hitler like before Hitler?
Posted by: Dreamingrobot at April 23, 2025 07:29 PM (fOTMA)

The Burgermeister Meisterburger.

Posted by: Santa Claus, A Rebel at April 23, 2025 07:41 PM (R/m4+)

245 So, I'm kinda thinking the ghost tattoo of MS-13 Father is a sigil that he killed someone.

The first stories about him were all about how it was just a mistaken tattoo, that he was merely a fan of SnapChat.

None have said that in weeks.

Why?
Why would "rival gangs" want retribution decades later?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 23, 2025 07:41 PM (+3+7z)

246 Imperial Germany did not beat Tsarist Russia in the Great War on the battlefield.

Instead when the Tsarist government toppled, due to German interference to some extent, the Germans immediately cut a peace deal with Moscow.

Which freed up troops to send against England and France.
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Technically true, but the Germans had them on the ropes even before the October revolution. And they didn't immediately cut a peace. It was over six months later and quite a bit more territory lost by the Bolsheviks.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 23, 2025 07:41 PM (UBKzV)

247 MOM! HE HIT ME BACK!!!

Posted by: Boron Cobbie's Pope interview - What is a woman, and how old is the Earth? at April 23, 2025 07:41 PM (6GvqP)

248 >>>History is cooler when it's personal. I thought it was very sweet.
Posted by: tcn in AK
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I've got letters my grandmother's brother wrote her from France, WWI. Sweet, yeah.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 23, 2025 07:41 PM (eY5jv)

249 Oh, @Ace Author, what is with the "we" formulation? Me and you? Or the entire Western world that is smart enough to loathe Russian expansion? Be clear.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:41 PM (2cS/G)

250 FDR was weak, and Truman while tough, wouldn’t have invaded the USSR, if say FDR had died a little earlier. The OSS had been assassinating people in wartime, why would the cavil at a little more immediately after the war. They went on to do quite a lot more under their new name, CIA.
There is a book written on it: Target Patton: The Plot to Assassinate General George S. Patton (World War II Collection), by Robert K. Wilcox. Tolle lege. Judge for yourself.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 23, 2025 07:42 PM (g/Chl)

251 221 The US sent over 4,773 P-39's to Russia alone during the war.

Mind boggling.

Posted by: Lend Lease at April 23, 2025 07:35 PM

Ooooh. I would love to buy a pristine one that has been in some Russian farmer's barn for 80 years!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 23, 2025 07:42 PM (HlyYF)

252 It's just the good ol' Russophobes who spout this "Pertual-War-With-Russia" Shit.

Before the Bolshevik Revolution, the US and Russia had no cause for quarrel, and even had, for the most part, friendly diplomatic relations, culminating in the Russian Empire's sale of Alaska to us in 1867.

Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 07:43 PM (77rzZ)

253 You have that backwards. NATO started off with 12 countries and at the time and many times since we told Russia we would not expand further. We lied.

Historically accurate but that does not change the fact that NATO was specifically founded to protect Europe from Russian aggression and invasion. That's literally in its charter.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:44 PM (2VST1)

254 The whole Obama family should be deported to France.
They deserve each other.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 23, 2025 07:44 PM (eY5jv)

255 I think I will go back to doing some research. I still need to track down the serial numbers, codes, and fates of three 226 Sqn Boston IIIs that bombed four Luftwaffe airfields in the Netherlands on July 4, 1942.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 23, 2025 07:45 PM (szPgS)

256 Technically true, but the Germans had them on the ropes even before the October revolution. And they didn't immediately cut a peace. It was over six months later and quite a bit more territory lost by the Bolsheviks.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba

The conquest and elimination of Russia as a state has never been on the books. Even Russia's most thorough and brutal conquerors, the Mongols (who came from the east, not the west), couldn't do it. You Russophobes will just have to take your hatred somewhere else.

Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 07:46 PM (77rzZ)

257 Oh, @Ace Author, what is with the "we" formulation? Me and you? Or the entire Western world that is smart enough to loathe Russian expansion? Be clear.
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:41 PM (2cS/G)
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If the entire western world loathes Russian expansion, let them fight it.

NATO is a joke. I will think Putin is a threat when the people next to him introduce conscription and start mass-producing tanks. You know, like they did in the Cold War.

The Texas National Guard can field more troops than the UK. Maybe if it's that serious they should arm up.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:46 PM (ZOv7s)

258 As geographical entity with very divergent cultures Russia functions with much more civility than Europe.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 23, 2025 07:47 PM (eY5jv)

259 @Bulg How many people, families. communities, that have lived in Russia since WW2, do you have contact with? My experience has been that they all hate everything about living under that kind of rule. Maybe you know people who love it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:47 PM (2cS/G)

260 Before the Bolshevik Revolution, the US and Russia had no cause for quarrel, and even had, for the most part, friendly diplomatic relations, culminating in the Russian Empire's sale of Alaska to us in 1867.

I had vain but real hopes with the fall of the Berlin Wall that the US and Russia could have been the best of friends and a new, very powerful alliance. That Russian resources and ideas could work with US industry and money and produce a better future. Sadly that didn't work out for a variety of reasons but... it could have been.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:47 PM (2VST1)

261 Some of these Ukraine issues could be fixed if EU quit buying oil from Russia. But no JR Ewing is apparently a bigger villain than Putin

Posted by: hurricane567 at April 23, 2025 07:48 PM (MKElg)

262 The whole Obama family should be deported to France.
They deserve each other.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 23, 2025 07:44 PM (eY5jv)

They'd fit in better in Rwanda or Liberia.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 23, 2025 07:48 PM (VNX3d)

263 I had vain but real hopes with the fall of the Berlin Wall that the US and Russia could have been the best of friends and a new, very powerful alliance. That Russian resources and ideas could work with US industry and money and produce a better future. Sadly that didn't work out for a variety of reasons but... it could have been.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

I agree. The elder Bush and the drunk Yeltsin botched that opportunity.

Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 07:49 PM (77rzZ)

264 Historically accurate but that does not change the fact that NATO was specifically founded to protect Europe from Russian aggression and invasion. That's literally in its charter.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:44 PM (2VST1)
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No, it's purpose was the stand off the Soviet Union. When that dissolved, the alliance's purpose was fulfilled. It should have been disbanded, but instead it decided to build itself bigger and also bully smaller nations.

Now we're trying to use it to start WWW III. Old habits die hard.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:49 PM (ZOv7s)

265 A.H. Lloyd

Has anyone dug up the information on what really went on between the US, UK, and France that lead to the intervention forces sent to Archangel and Vladivostok?

Besides the book The Ignorant Armies.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 23, 2025 07:50 PM (szPgS)

266 >>Historically accurate but that does not change the fact that NATO was specifically founded to protect Europe from Russian aggression and invasion. That's literally in its charter.

No, what's in the charter is Soviet aggression. There is no Soviet Union. We won. The Soviet Union is no more and NATO should go the same route.

We've sat here and watched Russia not take down Ukraine in 4 years. Ukraine. It's 2025. We should see if there's a way we can work together for a change because spending $200 billion to prop up a garbage dump is not gonna work out well for us in the long run.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 23, 2025 07:50 PM (viF8m)

267 No, it's purpose was the stand off the Soviet Union. When that dissolved, the alliance's purpose was fulfilled.

Yeah I agree with that, although its not exactly a stretch to apply the concept to Russia as the core and power behind the USSR (nobody was afraid of Albania invading Europe), the need of the alliance was effectively fulfilled and should have been folded at that time.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:51 PM (2VST1)

268 How many people, families. communities, that have lived in Russia since WW2, do you have contact with? My experience has been that they all hate everything about living under that kind of rule. Maybe you know people who love it.
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:47 PM (2cS/G)
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Do we have an obligation to wage war on behalf of all unhappy citizens or just the Slavic ones?

I mean, you hate Russia, which is completely irrelevant to questions of grand strategy.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:51 PM (ZOv7s)

269 @Ace Author, what you call "old habits" are what men like me call "principles". Do you know the difference?

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:52 PM (2cS/G)

270 Has anyone dug up the information on what really went on between the US, UK, and France that lead to the intervention forces sent to Archangel and Vladivostok?

Besides the book The Ignorant Armies.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 23, 2025 07:50 PM (szPgS)
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Not to my knowledge, but I'm not as up on that as on other areas. I need to do some WW I Eastern Front/ Russian Civil War reading.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:53 PM (ZOv7s)

271 I agree. The elder Bush and the drunk Yeltsin botched that opportunity.
Posted by: Bulg
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Yeltsin didn't get drunk till after he came and spoke before our congress asking for goodwill, unity, rapprochement. After they spurned him he knew hopes for Russia were fucked.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 23, 2025 07:54 PM (eY5jv)

272 Author, what you call "old habits" are what men like me call "principles". Do you know the difference?
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:52 PM (2cS/G)
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What principle are you talking about? Surely not common sense.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:54 PM (ZOv7s)

273 Yeah I agree with that, although its not exactly a stretch to apply the concept to Russia as the core and power behind the USSR (nobody was afraid of Albania invading Europe), the need of the alliance was effectively fulfilled and should have been folded at that time.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:51 PM (2VST1)
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Dude. Unified Germany. That's it. There's your buffer state. Massively larger economy, huge manufacturing base.

Oh, but they disbanded their armies and air force because we promised to protect them until the end of time.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 23, 2025 07:56 PM (ZOv7s)

274 Yeltsin didn't get drunk till after he came and spoke before our congress asking for goodwill, unity, rapprochement. After they spurned him he knew hopes for Russia were fucked.

I think there still was a chance but then Clinton decided he would get in bed with China and then there was the "no you cannot adopt our boys for your sick twink fantasies" Russian law. And suddenly the left decided Russia was the worst place ever.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 07:56 PM (2VST1)

275 by: Lincolntf , You're lucky Fenelon's not here.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 23, 2025 07:58 PM (eY5jv)

276 Lincolntf

If you feel so strongly, like we have said to Vindaloomon; go to Ukraine and take up arms against Russia.

And I am out of here. I really do not want to dig through MACR or UK equivalents. But not knowing about three Boston IIIs had created an itch that only finding them will solve.

It gets real depressing reading the convictions handed out in 1947 at Dachau by the Allies for war crimes. For example, in 1945 two gunners bailed out of a B-26 Marauder because the ammo in the aft fuselage caught fire, one of the Americans were murdered after capture.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 23, 2025 07:58 PM (szPgS)

277 "Common Sense" would not be considered a principle. more of a practice. Do you know how words work? I'll send you a couple reference books free of charge if you need them.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 07:58 PM (2cS/G)

278 @Bulg How many people, families. communities, that have lived in Russia since WW2, do you have contact with? My experience has been that they all hate everything about living under that kind of rule. Maybe you know people who love it.
Posted by: Lincolntf

Quite a bit. Many of them were my Russian teachers. I am not special pleading for the Soviets. The Russians have always been subject to authoritarian, often brutal, rulers. But Stalin didn't start that tradition. Hell, not even the Mongols did. It was the result of rulers having to assert their authority over vast expanses of land. That was the ultimate origin of serfdom, too keep the peasants from running away and hiding in the steppes. Autocracy is baked into the cake of Russian history. Ivan the Terrible and Peter the Great were just as bad, in their ways, as Stalin.

What I object to is the view that Russians were always Bolsheviks, and, thus, were always enemies of the West and the United States. In fact, Lenin et al. simply grafted Marxist totalitarianism onto a Russian culture that was already suited for it. However, prior to that, the Tsarist autocracy had had no particular quarrel with the United States.

Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 07:59 PM (77rzZ)

279 @Anna Puma, that's a stupid comment. "If you feel so strongly go fight for Russia" is not anything I would ever say.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 23, 2025 08:01 PM (2cS/G)

280 Oh, but they disbanded their armies and air force because we promised to protect them until the end of time.

Yeah the collapse of the Soviet Union was handled about as badly as can be imagined. Basically the military industrial complex was panicking because they were losing their excuse for the spending and were damned if they were going to let NATO go.

And all those European nations were not at all inclined to have to start handling their own defense budgets. Hell they don't even want to pay their very small contribution to NATO.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 23, 2025 08:01 PM (2VST1)

281 the collapse of the Soviet Union was handled about as badly as can be imagined.

Notice all the not-nuked cities?

Posted by: DaveA at April 23, 2025 08:16 PM (FhXTo)

282 Somebody has to be willow

Posted by: DaveA at April 23, 2025 08:18 PM (FhXTo)

283 Zelenskyy doesn't just want to reclaim the recently seized territory, but the territory Ukraine gave up without a shot being fired 11 years ago.

Yeah. The territory Ukraine thought was safe because they had been told, "give up your nukes - we'll cover your ass". So they weren't as prepared as they might have been.

Posted by: comradearthur at April 23, 2025 08:18 PM (OdNzD)

284 47 For the record, the Crimeans voted for Independence from the nationalists and troglodytes occupying Kiev. If it works in Bosnia-Herzogovina, if it works in Kosovo and Albania, it should work in Crimea.

Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 06:50 PM (g47mK)

Yeah and we all know that was a free and clear election while under the occupation of the Russians, right? :rollseyes:

You seem to be posting a lot of Russian propaganda, how much do they pay you?

Posted by: Farquad at April 23, 2025 08:25 PM (bwvMs)

285 Exactly. Europe sucks; let them kill each other.

I Endorse this Message.
Posted by: garrett

I will provide refuge for the Nubiles.

Posted by: Kindly Miklos at April 23, 2025 08:41 PM (UOzvC)

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