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A little history of self-assuredness in mass media
I ran across an interesting thread on X by Mike Nayna, the Australian cinematographer and writer. Timely given the Trump Administration's efforts to shake up the self-assuredness of places like Harvard and Columbia:
In 1922, a journalist by the name of Walter Lippmann published a book called Public Opinion where he explored the limitations of the liberal democratic order in the burgeoning era of mass media. 1/n
This was a time between the world wars when innovations in radio, the telegraph, industrial printing, & cinema were being honed as powerful tools for propagandising the masses. 2/n
He argued that the public doesn’t have direct access to objective reality due to limitations in knowledge & access to information. Instead, they rely on heavily mediated info & simplified constructs to create a distorted image of reality that he called a ‘pseudo-environment’. 3/n
Lots of people adopted his ideas, including mass murderers like Mao and self-assured westerners.
The information landscape we now inhabit is full of meticulously contrived messaging that’s distributed at mass scales to elicit pre-determined behaviours from you. The practice is so commonplace that complaining about it is like yelling at a cloud. 7/n
Throughout my time wandering the halls of many cultural institutions I’ve been struck by a consistent observation - The liberal principles around free speech & an informed public I assumed governed these institutions aren’t widely believed or practised. 8/nWas there a time when you had similar assumptions?
Instead, a broad range of people employed by the media, arts, & academic institutions of the West are guided by a vision closer to the refined democracy that Walter Lippmann outlined in his book. 9/n
The public these neo-Lippmannites purport to serve isn’t conceived of as rational agents able to interpret reality for themselves but as a dangerous, racist, sexist, homophobic, infectious, & polluting collection of nodes that ought to be managed into better decisions. 10/nSounds sort of like The Horde. He has a Substack essay, too:
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Good morning KT and the Horde. First maybe?
Posted by: jayhawkone at April 19, 2025 11:17 AM (9rPx3)
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Lying liars are gonna lie.
Posted by: Puddinhead at April 19, 2025 11:18 AM (ne3+i)
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Good morning KT
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 11:19 AM (ypFCm)
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Hi, everybody! Got some favorite Easter music?
Posted by: KT at April 19, 2025 11:21 AM (xekrU)
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Propaganda has existed since people have sought to get and keep power. Nothing new. Whether it's Democracies or Dictatorships.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 11:21 AM (VofaG)
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Yeah, this and Marshall McLuhan.
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 19, 2025 11:21 AM (QSrLX)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 19, 2025 11:22 AM (Q4IgG)
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I used to wonder how old-timey "Yellow Journalism" had any sway; now I understand.
Posted by: LASue at April 19, 2025 11:22 AM (lCppi)
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neo-Lippians sounds better.
Instead, they rely on heavily mediated info & simplified constructs
Find me a human that does something else, and I'll find you a psychopath.
Instead, they rely on heavily mediated info & simplified constructs
Find me a human that does something else, and I'll find you a psychopath.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 19, 2025 11:24 AM (mlg/3)
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The Left have no problem in lying because they truly believe the ends justify the means.
Assassinating Trump is, in their deranged minds, the same as assassinating Hitler in 1933.
Assassinating Trump is, in their deranged minds, the same as assassinating Hitler in 1933.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 11:25 AM (VofaG)
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Willowed:
351 320 It's like machinists. Folks don't realize it's mostly CNC machines, which require the machinist be able to program them. This whole argument also ignores all the illegals currently in this country. They won't go away immediately. If this was a real issue, they would be creating guest worker programs, to get people here legally.
I saw an interesting video about Foxconn moving all its phone-building machines out of China. Truck after truck had been loaded with them for a month. The Chinese authorities were trying desperately to slow the exodus, but it was a foregone conclusion. l believe the destination was Vietnam or India.
351 320 It's like machinists. Folks don't realize it's mostly CNC machines, which require the machinist be able to program them. This whole argument also ignores all the illegals currently in this country. They won't go away immediately. If this was a real issue, they would be creating guest worker programs, to get people here legally.
I saw an interesting video about Foxconn moving all its phone-building machines out of China. Truck after truck had been loaded with them for a month. The Chinese authorities were trying desperately to slow the exodus, but it was a foregone conclusion. l believe the destination was Vietnam or India.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:26 AM (s8j++)
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More Chardonnay?
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 19, 2025 11:26 AM (QSrLX)
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I saw an interesting video about Foxconn moving all its phone-building machines out of China. Truck after truck had been loaded with them for a month. The Chinese authorities were trying desperately to slow the exodus, but it was a foregone conclusion. l believe the destination was Vietnam or India.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:26 AM (s8j++)
Wow, that's something I hadn't thought about - just moving the tooling from China. That absolutely shortens the timeline for ramping up domestic production, as does bringing back American staff.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:26 AM (s8j++)
Wow, that's something I hadn't thought about - just moving the tooling from China. That absolutely shortens the timeline for ramping up domestic production, as does bringing back American staff.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 19, 2025 11:28 AM (ZOv7s)
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Instead, they rely on heavily mediated info & simplified constructs
We used to have a word for that: "Culture"
We used to have a word for that: "Culture"
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 19, 2025 11:28 AM (a4flb)
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The information landscape we now inhabit is full of meticulously contrived messaging that’s distributed at mass scales to elicit pre-determined behaviours from you.
The classics in this category include "pouncing" and "seizing", but also often include characterizing someone's speech as "ranting".
The classics in this category include "pouncing" and "seizing", but also often include characterizing someone's speech as "ranting".
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:28 AM (s8j++)
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osted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:26 AM (s8j++)
Everyone is replaceable as the saying goes.
Everyone is replaceable as the saying goes.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 11:29 AM (VofaG)
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Nailed it on the head about emotive journalism.
Used to be a news story would be “these events happened at this location at this time and the people involved were X and Y.”
Now that same even is reported as
“Due to the actions Of X, Y has been affected in this way. And now let’s get an opinion from an expert telling us how awful X is and how congress can create a new law to help Y.”
X is automatically the bad guy and Y is automatically the victim. And this news story is seen as objective and true by most consumers of that reporting.
Used to be a news story would be “these events happened at this location at this time and the people involved were X and Y.”
Now that same even is reported as
“Due to the actions Of X, Y has been affected in this way. And now let’s get an opinion from an expert telling us how awful X is and how congress can create a new law to help Y.”
X is automatically the bad guy and Y is automatically the victim. And this news story is seen as objective and true by most consumers of that reporting.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:29 AM (DKKgv)
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I enjoyed the article K.T..
Thanks. It was actually appropriate because I did turn into Cristina Amanpour last night. She had on the governor of Massachusetts.
Our perceived realities are so far apart.
My favorite line was from the governor who commented that MAGA support is evaporating and we need to continue to pressure Trump to change course.
Defund PBS, btw.
Thanks. It was actually appropriate because I did turn into Cristina Amanpour last night. She had on the governor of Massachusetts.
Our perceived realities are so far apart.
My favorite line was from the governor who commented that MAGA support is evaporating and we need to continue to pressure Trump to change course.
Defund PBS, btw.
Posted by: Stateless.. 12% - mental state clawing up from 10%, shit happened, clawing back next week at April 19, 2025 11:30 AM (jvJvP)
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Yeah Vietnam has become the new China. Their cheap labor is even cheaper than Chy-na’s.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:30 AM (DKKgv)
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The fancy X for 𝕏 is 𝕏!
Posted by: m at April 19, 2025 11:30 AM (CQE5S)
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I think the internet has slowed down the trend especially after Musk bought Twitter.
The media has fact checkers now.
The media has fact checkers now.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 11:30 AM (VofaG)
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I used to wonder how old-timey "Yellow Journalism" had any sway; now I understand.
Posted by: LASue at April 19, 2025 11:22 AM (lCppi)
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Yes, but the information market was much more fragmented and decentralized. Every town had multiple newspapers and a reporter getting a 'scoop' wrong got fired instantly.
That persisted for a long time. Stephen Glass, Jayson Blair come to mind.
The difference now is the concentration of media and its open indifference to truth. Name a single reporter who got fired for being wrong about Trump? How can Jake Tapper still be employed after a painful defamation suit?
Posted by: LASue at April 19, 2025 11:22 AM (lCppi)
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Yes, but the information market was much more fragmented and decentralized. Every town had multiple newspapers and a reporter getting a 'scoop' wrong got fired instantly.
That persisted for a long time. Stephen Glass, Jayson Blair come to mind.
The difference now is the concentration of media and its open indifference to truth. Name a single reporter who got fired for being wrong about Trump? How can Jake Tapper still be employed after a painful defamation suit?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 19, 2025 11:30 AM (ZOv7s)
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The classics in this category include "pouncing" and "seizing", but also often include characterizing someone's speech as "ranting".
Oh, and "without evidence" has been moving up quickly in the rankings.
Oh, and "without evidence" has been moving up quickly in the rankings.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:31 AM (s8j++)
Posted by: Sock Monkey * poorly trained emotional support moron at April 19, 2025 11:31 AM (hhuMF)
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Oh, and "without evidence" has been moving up quickly in the rankings.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:31 AM (s8j++)
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That one is so painfully stupid.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:31 AM (s8j++)
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That one is so painfully stupid.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 19, 2025 11:32 AM (ZOv7s)
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Yeah Vietnam has become the new China. Their cheap labor is even cheaper than Chy-na’s.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:30 AM (DKKgv)
zero tariff declaration didn't hurt.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:30 AM (DKKgv)
zero tariff declaration didn't hurt.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 11:33 AM (VofaG)
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Breaking Google will be of immense benefit to all humanity.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 19, 2025 11:34 AM (ZOv7s)
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The media has fact checkers now.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 11:30 AM (VofaG)
They weirdly didn’t fact check bloodbath. Or how Trump wanted Liz Cheney executed. Or the Puerto Rico joke. Or Maryland Man. Or the other 718 million lies told about Trump on a daily basis by the msm.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 11:30 AM (VofaG)
They weirdly didn’t fact check bloodbath. Or how Trump wanted Liz Cheney executed. Or the Puerto Rico joke. Or Maryland Man. Or the other 718 million lies told about Trump on a daily basis by the msm.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:34 AM (DKKgv)
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The Left have no problem in lying because they truly believe the ends justify the means.
There is no moral prohibition to lying. If you believe that information is power, then telling truth is the same as sharing power.
If you live in a world of delusion and projection, then lies, by necessity, are the vessels of communicating your world view - other wise it would be cognitive dissonance if you believe that, after you weaponized government, that Trump is weaponizing government, then saying that he isn't would be, in your mind, lying.
Those who reject God and adopt a fully materialistic and nihilistic world view do not have a conscience and what replaces morals and transcendent values is fealty to process and procedure. Its the defiance of the Rules Based Order that is the sin, not any moral violations.
Lies are the tools used to communicate procedural "values" over moral values. The left doesn't have the vocabulary to understand morality.
There is no moral prohibition to lying. If you believe that information is power, then telling truth is the same as sharing power.
If you live in a world of delusion and projection, then lies, by necessity, are the vessels of communicating your world view - other wise it would be cognitive dissonance if you believe that, after you weaponized government, that Trump is weaponizing government, then saying that he isn't would be, in your mind, lying.
Those who reject God and adopt a fully materialistic and nihilistic world view do not have a conscience and what replaces morals and transcendent values is fealty to process and procedure. Its the defiance of the Rules Based Order that is the sin, not any moral violations.
Lies are the tools used to communicate procedural "values" over moral values. The left doesn't have the vocabulary to understand morality.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 19, 2025 11:34 AM (a4flb)
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Yeah Vietnam has become the new China. Their cheap labor is even cheaper than Chy-na’s.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:30 AM (DKKgv)
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I'll have to congratulate my uncles on their delayed win over Vietnam.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:30 AM (DKKgv)
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I'll have to congratulate my uncles on their delayed win over Vietnam.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 19, 2025 11:35 AM (ZOv7s)
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Oh, and "without evidence" has been moving up quickly in the rankings.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:31 AM
When I hear or see that in print I automatically assume the writer has no good argument to counter whatever point is being made.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:31 AM
When I hear or see that in print I automatically assume the writer has no good argument to counter whatever point is being made.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 19, 2025 11:36 AM (e5NfL)
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Those who reject God and adopt a fully materialistic and nihilistic world view do not have a conscience and what replaces morals and transcendent values is fealty to process and procedure. Its the defiance of the Rules Based Order that is the sin, not any moral violations.
Lies are the tools used to communicate procedural "values" over moral values. The left doesn't have the vocabulary to understand morality.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 19, 2025 11:34 AM (a4flb)
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At the time of the Founding Fathers, it was common for atheists to be barred from holding public office since their oath had no meaning.
We should get back to that.
Lies are the tools used to communicate procedural "values" over moral values. The left doesn't have the vocabulary to understand morality.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 19, 2025 11:34 AM (a4flb)
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At the time of the Founding Fathers, it was common for atheists to be barred from holding public office since their oath had no meaning.
We should get back to that.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 19, 2025 11:36 AM (ZOv7s)
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Something poetic about 2 supposed communist countries, China and Vietnam, providing slave labor for capitalists to manufacture cheap trinkets consumed by Americans.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:37 AM (DKKgv)
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hey weirdly didn’t fact check bloodbath. Or how Trump wanted Liz Cheney executed. Or the Puerto Rico joke. Or Maryland Man. Or the other 718 million lies told about Trump on a daily basis by the msm.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:34 AM (DKKgv)
sure they did. How do you think Trump was elected again. The same people continued to repeat the lies but many other apolitical persons were presented the truth through the internet and eyes were opened. They continue to be opened with the community commentary on X.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:34 AM (DKKgv)
sure they did. How do you think Trump was elected again. The same people continued to repeat the lies but many other apolitical persons were presented the truth through the internet and eyes were opened. They continue to be opened with the community commentary on X.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 11:39 AM (VofaG)
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You’d think Cuba would get in on the action. Cheap labor and only a 90 mile boat ride to Miami vs a 10k mile boat ride from Asia.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:39 AM (DKKgv)
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Leftists lie with the ease you breath
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 11:39 AM (ypFCm)
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Oh sorry I misunderstood your point. I thought you meant the msm itself has fact checkers. You’re right other people are fact checking them. And that absolutely has made a difference. Some may say a yuuuuuge difference.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:40 AM (DKKgv)
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The "great" depression was only "great" because the new media in 1929 such as radio and movie reels hollered and screeched about how bad it was. Depressions had come and gone before and still do as it the nature of a free market economy, swings both up and down as it should be. But in 1929, it was a "great" depression with all the lies and falderals still used by the media today to drive The Sheeple from one end of their enclosure to the other.
Posted by: The Media Lies 24/7 at April 19, 2025 11:41 AM (R/m4+)
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Yeah Vietnam has become the new China. Their cheap labor is even cheaper than Chy-na’s.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:30 AM (DKKgv)
Yup. You'd be surprised at what papa-son will build for a carton of cigarettes.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:30 AM (DKKgv)
Yup. You'd be surprised at what papa-son will build for a carton of cigarettes.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 19, 2025 11:42 AM (g8Ew8)
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I'll have to congratulate my uncles on their delayed win over Vietnam.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
Pappymayhem was a veteran of the Vietnam conflict. He would be laughing at how quickly the commies surrendered to Trump.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
Pappymayhem was a veteran of the Vietnam conflict. He would be laughing at how quickly the commies surrendered to Trump.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 19, 2025 11:42 AM (2J/Lj)
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Hoover and FDR fucking with the free market was due in large part to the radio and the ability of the media to exert pressure to “do something”.
Had Hoover done nothing the depression would have been long gone by 1932 and he’d probably be a 2 term president.
Had Hoover done nothing the depression would have been long gone by 1932 and he’d probably be a 2 term president.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:43 AM (DKKgv)
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Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:40 AM (DKKgv)
My bad. Sentence structure could cause confusion.
The Media has INTERNET fact checkers now.
My bad. Sentence structure could cause confusion.
The Media has INTERNET fact checkers now.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 11:43 AM (VofaG)
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You’d think Cuba would get in on the action. Cheap labor and only a 90 mile boat ride to Miami vs a 10k mile boat ride from Asia.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:39 AM (DKKgv)
First, they need to keep the lights on. Once they can do that consistently, they might have a chance.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:39 AM (DKKgv)
First, they need to keep the lights on. Once they can do that consistently, they might have a chance.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 19, 2025 11:44 AM (VNX3d)
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Oh, and "without evidence" has been moving up quickly in the rankings.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:31 AM
When I hear or see that in print I automatically assume the writer has no good argument to counter whatever point is being made.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 19, 2025 11:36 AM (e5NfL)
I picture the writer being approached with the evidence and quickly covering their ears and saying "LALALALA I can't hear you!"
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:31 AM
When I hear or see that in print I automatically assume the writer has no good argument to counter whatever point is being made.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 19, 2025 11:36 AM (e5NfL)
I picture the writer being approached with the evidence and quickly covering their ears and saying "LALALALA I can't hear you!"
Posted by: LASue at April 19, 2025 11:45 AM (lCppi)
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You’d think Cuba would get in on the action. Cheap labor and only a 90 mile boat ride to Miami vs a 10k mile boat ride from Asia.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:39 AM (DKKgv)
First, they need to keep the lights on. Once they can do that consistently, they might have a chance.
Also, hats made of fruit are incompatible with a clean room.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:39 AM (DKKgv)
First, they need to keep the lights on. Once they can do that consistently, they might have a chance.
Also, hats made of fruit are incompatible with a clean room.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:45 AM (s8j++)
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First, they need to keep the lights on. Once they can do that consistently, they might have a chance.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 19, 2025 11:44 AM (VNX3d)
And can we think of a reason why they can't keep those lights on? Just any little reason? What could it possibly be? Could it be..... Communism?!?!
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 19, 2025 11:44 AM (VNX3d)
And can we think of a reason why they can't keep those lights on? Just any little reason? What could it possibly be? Could it be..... Communism?!?!
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 19, 2025 11:47 AM (2J/Lj)
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And can we think of a reason why they can't keep those lights on? Just any little reason? What could it possibly be? Could it be..... Communism?!?!
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 19, 2025 11:47 AM (2J/Lj)
China and Vietnam figured it out.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 19, 2025 11:47 AM (2J/Lj)
China and Vietnam figured it out.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:48 AM (DKKgv)
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Cuba has nice beaches and the chicks are hawt. We should invade.
Posted by: Puddinhead at April 19, 2025 11:48 AM (ne3+i)
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Ok, I'm confused, is this guy BLAMING Lippmann?
I've read Lippmann's book, he wasn't arguing that any of this is a good thing.
What's funny is, there's something of an update to Lippmann's thesis, and it was written by.... drumroll please...
Douglas Murray!
The book, The Madness of Crowds essentially updates Lippmann's perspective, and gives example after example of ways the public is manipulated by mass consumption of the same narrative.
It's a terrific book. Everyone should read it. Douglas would benefit from reading it, again.
I've read Lippmann's book, he wasn't arguing that any of this is a good thing.
What's funny is, there's something of an update to Lippmann's thesis, and it was written by.... drumroll please...
Douglas Murray!
The book, The Madness of Crowds essentially updates Lippmann's perspective, and gives example after example of ways the public is manipulated by mass consumption of the same narrative.
It's a terrific book. Everyone should read it. Douglas would benefit from reading it, again.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 11:49 AM (NrEAT)
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Just think of how long the Great Depression would have lasted had FDR not gone on television to reassure the public with his fireside chats.
Posted by: TV Facts and Foibles at April 19, 2025 11:50 AM (G5+As)
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You’d think Cuba would get in on the action. Cheap labor and only a 90 mile boat ride to Miami vs a 10k mile boat ride from Asia.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:39 AM (DKKgv)
Cubans can be proud, disagreeable, hot headed and volatile as well as lazy and prone to drink. Also, everyone on the island has an STD or 2 from all the dirty euros and canadians using the place for sex tourism over the last 50 years as well as our african adventures which did not go as planned.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:39 AM (DKKgv)
Cubans can be proud, disagreeable, hot headed and volatile as well as lazy and prone to drink. Also, everyone on the island has an STD or 2 from all the dirty euros and canadians using the place for sex tourism over the last 50 years as well as our african adventures which did not go as planned.
Posted by: Zombie Fidel Castro at April 19, 2025 11:50 AM (R/m4+)
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Communists do have a history of not letting their slaves go and not many want in.
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 11:50 AM (ypFCm)
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I don't blame Hoover too much because he got advice first which he took to actually DO NOTHING when there was a run on the banks which in my opinion and Milton Friedman's got the whole ball rolling. Stopping runs like that was almost the whole purpose of creating the Fed. After that disaster Hoover understandably then tried to do something. Which made things worse. Gave FDR full coverage to go socialist.
( Hoover's autobiography indicates taking the advice to let the banks fail was his biggest regret IIRC)
( Hoover's autobiography indicates taking the advice to let the banks fail was his biggest regret IIRC)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 11:50 AM (VofaG)
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The classics in this category include "pouncing" and "seizing", but also often include characterizing someone's speech as "ranting".
Oh, and "without evidence" has been moving up quickly in the rankings.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:31 AM (s8j++)
And falsely implying causation by using "amid," as in "Long Term Government Worker Dies Amid Stress and Confusion of DOGE's Meddling."
Oh, and "without evidence" has been moving up quickly in the rankings.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:31 AM (s8j++)
And falsely implying causation by using "amid," as in "Long Term Government Worker Dies Amid Stress and Confusion of DOGE's Meddling."
Posted by: LASue at April 19, 2025 11:50 AM (lCppi)
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Is a Lippmannite different than a Lilliputian?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 19, 2025 11:51 AM (i5Vkf)
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Puerto Rico can't even keep the lights on!
Posted by: Put In Another Quarter, Juan at April 19, 2025 11:51 AM (G5+As)
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China and Vietnam figured it out.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:48 AM (DKKgv)
Embrace capitalism for world trade while continuing to brutally repress the country citizens? It's a choice I guess.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:48 AM (DKKgv)
Embrace capitalism for world trade while continuing to brutally repress the country citizens? It's a choice I guess.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 19, 2025 11:52 AM (2J/Lj)
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Vietnam and China are like the Ukraine and Russia. No love lost between them.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 11:53 AM (VofaG)
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Cuba has nice beaches and the chicks are hawt. We should invade.
Put them on a US diet and they will plump up and be full of metabolic and mental disorders in no time at all.
Put them on a US diet and they will plump up and be full of metabolic and mental disorders in no time at all.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 19, 2025 11:53 AM (a4flb)
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And can we think of a reason why they can't keep those lights on? Just any little reason? What could it possibly be? Could it be..... Communism?!?!
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 19, 2025 11:47 AM (2J/Lj)
China and Vietnam figured it out.
They talk a good Commie game, but they aren't really Communist anymore, they're just good old-fashioned dictators who view their populations as slaves to be manipulated by their betters.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 19, 2025 11:47 AM (2J/Lj)
China and Vietnam figured it out.
They talk a good Commie game, but they aren't really Communist anymore, they're just good old-fashioned dictators who view their populations as slaves to be manipulated by their betters.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:53 AM (s8j++)
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Even Commies like nice things.
Posted by: Puddinhead at April 19, 2025 11:53 AM (ne3+i)
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Puerto Rico = Cuba Light
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 19, 2025 11:54 AM (g8Ew8)
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And falsely implying causation by using "amid," as in "Long Term Government Worker Dies Amid Stress and Confusion of DOGE's Meddling."
Posted by: LASue at April 19, 2025 11:50 AM (lCppi)
Capitol police officer dies in aftermath of J6 insurrection (left out of the headline: it was a heart attack and he was very overweight)
Posted by: LASue at April 19, 2025 11:50 AM (lCppi)
Capitol police officer dies in aftermath of J6 insurrection (left out of the headline: it was a heart attack and he was very overweight)
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 19, 2025 11:54 AM (i5Vkf)
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At some point the word "media" will no longer be valid.
Newspapers are dead. Television is dying.
Pretty much everyone today is holding their Omniscient Glowing Rectangle™ and getting the information they desire from a source that conforms to their particular world view as seen through a porthole the size of a 3X5 card.
Newspapers are dead. Television is dying.
Pretty much everyone today is holding their Omniscient Glowing Rectangle™ and getting the information they desire from a source that conforms to their particular world view as seen through a porthole the size of a 3X5 card.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at April 19, 2025 11:55 AM (dg+HA)
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China and Vietnam figured it out.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:48 AM (DKKgv)
Embrace capitalism for world trade while continuing to brutally repress the country citizens? It's a choice I guess.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 19, 2025 11:52 AM (2J/Lj)
Yup
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:48 AM (DKKgv)
Embrace capitalism for world trade while continuing to brutally repress the country citizens? It's a choice I guess.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 19, 2025 11:52 AM (2J/Lj)
Yup
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 19, 2025 11:56 AM (g8Ew8)
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Media and Medea.share the same story arc.
Posted by: Puddinhead at April 19, 2025 11:56 AM (ne3+i)
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I picture the writer being approached with the evidence and quickly covering their ears and saying "LALALALA I can't hear you!"
Posted by: LASue at April 19, 2025 11:45 AM (lCppi)
Best example was the LA fire, where the in studio talking heads were saying there was no evidence the water supply was empty, then they went to an in the field reporter who immediately said...
I just talked to the fire chiefs, and they said they have a problem in that there is no water in the hydrants with which to fight the fires.
Oops.
Posted by: LASue at April 19, 2025 11:45 AM (lCppi)
Best example was the LA fire, where the in studio talking heads were saying there was no evidence the water supply was empty, then they went to an in the field reporter who immediately said...
I just talked to the fire chiefs, and they said they have a problem in that there is no water in the hydrants with which to fight the fires.
Oops.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 11:56 AM (bZhLu)
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Puerto Rico can't even keep the lights on!
Posted by: Put In Another Quarter, Juan at April 19, 2025 11:51 AM (G5+As)
Puerto Ricans are proud, disagreeable, hot headed and volatile as well as lazy and prone to doing lots of drugs.
Also, everyone on the island has an STD or 3 from all their relatives in New York City who are in the prostitution and drug trade.
Posted by: Put In Another Quarter, Juan at April 19, 2025 11:51 AM (G5+As)
Puerto Ricans are proud, disagreeable, hot headed and volatile as well as lazy and prone to doing lots of drugs.
Also, everyone on the island has an STD or 3 from all their relatives in New York City who are in the prostitution and drug trade.
Posted by: Zombie Jose Ferrer at April 19, 2025 11:56 AM (R/m4+)
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Was Lippmann friends with the journalistic luminary Walter Duranty? They were contemporaries and it sounds as though they were like-minded
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 19, 2025 11:56 AM (i5Vkf)
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And falsely implying causation by using "amid," as in "Long Term Government Worker Dies Amid Stress and Confusion of DOGE's Meddling."
Posted by: LASue at April 19, 2025 11:50 AM (lCppi)
Capitol police officer dies in aftermath of J6 insurrection (left out of the headline: it was a heart attack and he was very overweight)
Ewok crushed in shelving incident despite amid copious instructions on how to operate a drill.
Posted by: LASue at April 19, 2025 11:50 AM (lCppi)
Capitol police officer dies in aftermath of J6 insurrection (left out of the headline: it was a heart attack and he was very overweight)
Ewok crushed in shelving incident despite amid copious instructions on how to operate a drill.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:57 AM (s8j++)
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*Put them on a US diet and they will plump up and be full of metabolic and mental disorders in no time at all.*
This is about us, isn't it?
This is about us, isn't it?
Posted by: Cheetos and Twinkies at April 19, 2025 11:57 AM (dg+HA)
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Posted by: Quarter Twenty at April 19, 2025 11:55 AM (dg+HA)
That's true for the Left but the majority on the Right still seek the truth and accuracy. AOS is proof of that.
You will be fact checked and corrected in a second which is a good thing and I appreciate it.
That's true for the Left but the majority on the Right still seek the truth and accuracy. AOS is proof of that.
You will be fact checked and corrected in a second which is a good thing and I appreciate it.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 11:57 AM (VofaG)
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I always wondered just how the press could cover up FDR's obvious physical decrepitude. Then we witnessed the lockstep coverup of Joe's mental and physical impairment. There's no end to the bullshit.
Posted by: Sharp As A Tack! at April 19, 2025 11:59 AM (G5+As)
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They talk a good Commie game, but they aren't really Communist anymore, they're just good old-fashioned dictators who view their populations as slaves to be manipulated by their betters.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:53 AM (s8j++)
I've heard it said Ho Chi Minh had never been a communist, until very late in the conflict (from their perspective, not ours), when the commies decided to fund and supply him.
Then he adopted their language. I always got the impression, after we left, Vietnam just sorta went to doing their own thing, not really caring what the commie line was.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:53 AM (s8j++)
I've heard it said Ho Chi Minh had never been a communist, until very late in the conflict (from their perspective, not ours), when the commies decided to fund and supply him.
Then he adopted their language. I always got the impression, after we left, Vietnam just sorta went to doing their own thing, not really caring what the commie line was.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:00 PM (kFCpM)
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Can I finally stop forcing down all this dry matzoh?
Posted by: Leaven Is Good at April 19, 2025 12:01 PM (G5+As)
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73 That was Obama’s smell the glove kink on steroids.
Posted by: Puddinhead at April 19, 2025 12:01 PM (ne3+i)
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'Wow, that's something I hadn't thought about - just moving the tooling from China. '
That's got to be a hell of a drive from China to India.
'Wow, that's something I hadn't thought about - just moving the tooling from China. '
That's got to be a hell of a drive from China to India.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:01 PM (3wi/L)
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Was Lippmann friends with the journalistic luminary Walter Duranty? They were contemporaries and it sounds as though they were like-minded
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 19, 2025 11:56 AM (i5Vkf)
No, again, I'm not sure whether the author KT is quoting is thinking Lippmann was in favor of any of this. He wasn't. His book, Public Opinion, was being argued AGAINST this type of mass brainwashing of the public.
I believe he was a lifelong Republican (and not the kind we get as commenters here, who claim to be lifelong Republicans who will now vote for [fill in the lefty] because Trump said "grab their puthy."
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 19, 2025 11:56 AM (i5Vkf)
No, again, I'm not sure whether the author KT is quoting is thinking Lippmann was in favor of any of this. He wasn't. His book, Public Opinion, was being argued AGAINST this type of mass brainwashing of the public.
I believe he was a lifelong Republican (and not the kind we get as commenters here, who claim to be lifelong Republicans who will now vote for [fill in the lefty] because Trump said "grab their puthy."
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:02 PM (kFCpM)
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Instead, they rely on heavily mediated info & simplified constructs
We used to have a word for that: "Culture"
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 19, 2025 11:28 AM (a4flb)
With the Large Language Models' theory, I have come to the conclusion that it is "tokens" and that culture is actually a shared consensus of tokens.
Tokens being a mental analog for what is understood as discrete portions of reality, codified for ease of use, and of differing levels of granularity. We don't perceive reality, we assign tokenized concepts for what we perceive, so we can shuffle and mentally manipulate what we perceive to extract meaning.
Reality without context, without understanding, is just pretty lights and sounds.
(If I had followed my fancy of following linguistics, I would be writing a book on this. Oh, and Noam Chomsky is inept)
We used to have a word for that: "Culture"
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 19, 2025 11:28 AM (a4flb)
With the Large Language Models' theory, I have come to the conclusion that it is "tokens" and that culture is actually a shared consensus of tokens.
Tokens being a mental analog for what is understood as discrete portions of reality, codified for ease of use, and of differing levels of granularity. We don't perceive reality, we assign tokenized concepts for what we perceive, so we can shuffle and mentally manipulate what we perceive to extract meaning.
Reality without context, without understanding, is just pretty lights and sounds.
(If I had followed my fancy of following linguistics, I would be writing a book on this. Oh, and Noam Chomsky is inept)
Posted by: Kindltot at April 19, 2025 12:02 PM (D7oie)
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Vietnam has the anti Bill of Rights but other than that its a pretty cool place to go on vacation. Your dollar goes a long way and they seem to like Americans.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:03 PM (VofaG)
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'X is automatically the bad guy and Y is automatically the victim. And this news story is seen as objective and true by most consumers of that reporting.'
You've captured it pretty well.
'X is automatically the bad guy and Y is automatically the victim. And this news story is seen as objective and true by most consumers of that reporting.'
You've captured it pretty well.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:03 PM (3wi/L)
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Ho Chi Minh was an original founder, the son of a Mandarin,
of course having survived the purges he made it to China where the foolish Americans like Archimedes Patti bought his substory, rinse and repeat with Fidel, and lincoln kirkpatrick, who bought his future brothers wife Vilma Espins assurances,
of course having survived the purges he made it to China where the foolish Americans like Archimedes Patti bought his substory, rinse and repeat with Fidel, and lincoln kirkpatrick, who bought his future brothers wife Vilma Espins assurances,
Posted by: miguel cervantes at April 19, 2025 12:04 PM (bXbFr)
Posted by: Macbeth at April 19, 2025 12:05 PM (dg+HA)
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Living a life of illusion..Joe Walsh
https://youtu.be/_tiOMu_Bf8Q?si=uaMWoEb-JmTk4Dlf
https://youtu.be/_tiOMu_Bf8Q?si=uaMWoEb-JmTk4Dlf
Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at April 19, 2025 12:05 PM (VJc7E)
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'The "great" depression was only "great" because the new media in 1929 such as radio and movie reels hollered and screeched about how bad it was.'
That and the 25% unemployment.
'The "great" depression was only "great" because the new media in 1929 such as radio and movie reels hollered and screeched about how bad it was.'
That and the 25% unemployment.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:06 PM (3wi/L)
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lippeman was preceded by Bernays and the Creel Committee that fanned the flames for the War, for Wilson,
Posted by: miguel cervantes at April 19, 2025 12:06 PM (bXbFr)
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I believe he was a lifelong Republican (and not the kind we get as commenters here, who claim to be lifelong Republicans who will now vote for [fill in the lefty] because Trump said "grab their puthy."
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:02 PM (kFCpM)
Ah, got it. Thank you. I was confused
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:02 PM (kFCpM)
Ah, got it. Thank you. I was confused
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 19, 2025 12:06 PM (ANuwa)
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Ah, got it. Thank you. I was confused
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 19, 2025 12:06 PM (ANuwa)
I'm still confused.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 19, 2025 12:06 PM (ANuwa)
I'm still confused.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:08 PM (kFCpM)
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A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.
Posted by: Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel at April 19, 2025 12:09 PM (dg+HA)
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85 38
'The "great" depression was only "great" because the new media in 1929 such as radio and movie reels hollered and screeched about how bad it was.'
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That and the 25% unemployment.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:06 PM (3wi/L)
And 30% drop in GDP.
'The "great" depression was only "great" because the new media in 1929 such as radio and movie reels hollered and screeched about how bad it was.'
---------
That and the 25% unemployment.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:06 PM (3wi/L)
And 30% drop in GDP.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:09 PM (kFCpM)
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'Wow, that's something I hadn't thought about - just moving the tooling from China. '
That's got to be a hell of a drive from China to India.
Yeah, I thought about that. I imagine the stuff going to India was driven to a port and loaded on a ship.
That's got to be a hell of a drive from China to India.
Yeah, I thought about that. I imagine the stuff going to India was driven to a port and loaded on a ship.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 12:09 PM (s8j++)
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Being a early age WWII history buff wondered how or why the Democrats Propaganda Ministry kept FDR's physical ailments quiet, but after seeing the Biden coverup wonder no more.
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 12:10 PM (ypFCm)
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Some of the IC chip manufacturing machines I've seen in photos look like they're almost "containerized." Meaning they could be literally folded up, hooked up to a semi and relocated in about a day. Obviously there are multiple components, but it looks very modular.
Also...
There's supposed to be an Intel chip factory going up just outside Columbus, OH. I think that one has been in the works for a while and not something "new."
Also...
There's supposed to be an Intel chip factory going up just outside Columbus, OH. I think that one has been in the works for a while and not something "new."
Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 19, 2025 12:11 PM (Q4IgG)
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*I imagine the stuff going to India was driven to a port and loaded on a ship.*
I thought JaBiden was going to build a railroad for that.
I thought JaBiden was going to build a railroad for that.
Posted by: Comma Lah at April 19, 2025 12:11 PM (dg+HA)
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63
'Capitol police officer dies in aftermath of J6 insurrection (left out of the headline: it was a heart attack and he was very overweight)'
That expanded to 'five officers died for various reasons'
sometime after. --> 'Aw hell, let's blame Jan. 6 for that too' --> Cocksucker General Garland saying 5 officers were killed on Jan.6
'Capitol police officer dies in aftermath of J6 insurrection (left out of the headline: it was a heart attack and he was very overweight)'
That expanded to 'five officers died for various reasons'
sometime after. --> 'Aw hell, let's blame Jan. 6 for that too' --> Cocksucker General Garland saying 5 officers were killed on Jan.6
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:12 PM (3wi/L)
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I always wondered just how the press could cover up FDR's obvious physical decrepitude. Then we witnessed the lockstep coverup of Joe's mental and physical impairment. There's no end to the bullshit.
Posted by: Sharp As A Tack! at April 19, 2025 11:59 AM (G5+As)
For those who are going after Trump for deporting illegals, claiming this is a FUNDAMENTAL change in how the U.S. handles these cases, it was... wait for it...
Obama who put this policy into place. You could deport illegals without going to court, you just had to accuse them of being terrorists.
Now, I do think there's a problem with it, in that you COULD end up deporting the wrong guy, but of course, this guy the left is all up in arms (figuratively, mostly) about does not appear to be "the wrong guy," and frankly, those arguing the Supreme Court said Trump MUST return him are wrong. The court only said they should try.
Posted by: Sharp As A Tack! at April 19, 2025 11:59 AM (G5+As)
For those who are going after Trump for deporting illegals, claiming this is a FUNDAMENTAL change in how the U.S. handles these cases, it was... wait for it...
Obama who put this policy into place. You could deport illegals without going to court, you just had to accuse them of being terrorists.
Now, I do think there's a problem with it, in that you COULD end up deporting the wrong guy, but of course, this guy the left is all up in arms (figuratively, mostly) about does not appear to be "the wrong guy," and frankly, those arguing the Supreme Court said Trump MUST return him are wrong. The court only said they should try.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:13 PM (kFCpM)
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fidel was the illegitmate son of a land owner, who married the daughter of an up and coming official, raul who has been suggested is 'light in the loafers' married the daughter of a Bacardi exec who attended Columbia,
Posted by: miguel cervantes at April 19, 2025 12:13 PM (bXbFr)
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Point being, yes, corporate media carries water for the Democrat Party, and then lies when a Republican is office, claiming they're doing things they're not, or that it's somehow worse than when the Dems were doing it, because they are completely silent about Democrat Party complicity with policies they now claim are out of bounds.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:14 PM (kFCpM)
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Being a early age WWII history buff wondered how or why the Democrats Propaganda Ministry kept FDR's physical ailments quiet, but after seeing the Biden coverup wonder no more.
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 12:10 PM (ypFCm)
They did the same with Kennedy. He was hopped up on drugs because of various medical conditions including a very bad back.
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 12:10 PM (ypFCm)
They did the same with Kennedy. He was hopped up on drugs because of various medical conditions including a very bad back.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:15 PM (VofaG)
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fidel was the illegitmate son of a land owner, who married the daughter of an up and coming official, raul who has been suggested is 'light in the loafers' married the daughter of a Bacardi exec who attended Columbia,
Posted by: miguel cervantes at April 19, 2025 12:13 PM (bXbFr)
If Fidel had been able to hit a curveball, he might have had a career in the majors. And history would have been very different.
Posted by: miguel cervantes at April 19, 2025 12:13 PM (bXbFr)
If Fidel had been able to hit a curveball, he might have had a career in the majors. And history would have been very different.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:16 PM (kFCpM)
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Yeah Vietnam has become the new China. Their cheap labor is even cheaper than Chy-na’s.
As a side effect, it's also a popular destination for remote-work tourists. Ridiculously low cost of living, public statues honoring John Effin Kerry, what more could Millennials want?
As a side effect, it's also a popular destination for remote-work tourists. Ridiculously low cost of living, public statues honoring John Effin Kerry, what more could Millennials want?
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:17 PM (QZThv)
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Some of the IC chip manufacturing machines I've seen in photos look like they're almost "containerized." Meaning they could be literally folded up, hooked up to a semi and relocated in about a day. Obviously there are multiple components, but it looks very modular.
Absolutely. I suppose it's the best way to maintain cleanliness and allow for modular lines to be quickly assembled.
Absolutely. I suppose it's the best way to maintain cleanliness and allow for modular lines to be quickly assembled.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 12:17 PM (s8j++)
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If Fidel had been able to hit a curveball, he might have had a career in the majors. And history would have been very different.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:16 PM (kFCpM)
Too bad Hitler wasn't accepted into the Art Academy.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:16 PM (kFCpM)
Too bad Hitler wasn't accepted into the Art Academy.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:18 PM (VofaG)
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They did the same with Kennedy. He was hopped up on drugs because of various medical conditions including a very bad back.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:15 PM (VofaG)
And tagging tail left and right.
The famous photo of him and Bobby, with JFK standing, stoop shouldered, hands resting on a desk, they claimed it was him with the weight of the world on his shoulders, contemplating what to do next.
Nah, his back just hurt, and he didn't have any of his pills handy.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:15 PM (VofaG)
And tagging tail left and right.
The famous photo of him and Bobby, with JFK standing, stoop shouldered, hands resting on a desk, they claimed it was him with the weight of the world on his shoulders, contemplating what to do next.
Nah, his back just hurt, and he didn't have any of his pills handy.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:18 PM (kFCpM)
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Too bad Hitler wasn't accepted into the Art Academy.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:18 PM (VofaG)
Yeah, but objectively Hitler's art was about as good as Hunter's.
Fidel was an otherwise decent ballplayer.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:18 PM (VofaG)
Yeah, but objectively Hitler's art was about as good as Hunter's.
Fidel was an otherwise decent ballplayer.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:19 PM (kFCpM)
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'I imagine the stuff going to India was driven to a port and loaded on a ship.'
Yes. That makes more sense. Now that I think about it, I can't see India wanting a road running to India from China.
'I imagine the stuff going to India was driven to a port and loaded on a ship.'
Yes. That makes more sense. Now that I think about it, I can't see India wanting a road running to India from China.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:20 PM (3wi/L)
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Yes, your dollar does goes far in Vietnam.
But not as far as a .30-06 bullet fired from a Winchester Model 70.
But not as far as a .30-06 bullet fired from a Winchester Model 70.
Posted by: zombie Carlos Hathcock at April 19, 2025 12:20 PM (Y1sOo)
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"Freedom of the press" was actually not about a bunch of self accredited whinny simps publishing BS but about restricting the people's access to an actual Press. Thus being able to print pamphlets and books. One of the major methods of mass communication for the time. The others being standing on a soap box (freedom of speach) and shouting at each other in a bar (freedom of assembly).
Posted by: Reforger at April 19, 2025 12:20 PM (xcIvR)
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They did the same with Kennedy. He was hopped up on drugs because of various medical conditions including a very bad back.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:15 PM (VofaG)
And tagging tail left and right.
The famous photo of him and Bobby, with JFK standing, stoop shouldered, hands resting on a desk, they claimed it was him with the weight of the world on his shoulders, contemplating what to do next.
Nah, his back just hurt, and he didn't have any of his pills handy.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:18 PM (kFCpM)
I have read (forgot where) that JFK was a physical wreck during his presidency and hopped up on all kinds of drugs. Then I see the old newsreels of his speeches and he seems dynamic and cogent. I don’t know what to believe
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:15 PM (VofaG)
And tagging tail left and right.
The famous photo of him and Bobby, with JFK standing, stoop shouldered, hands resting on a desk, they claimed it was him with the weight of the world on his shoulders, contemplating what to do next.
Nah, his back just hurt, and he didn't have any of his pills handy.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:18 PM (kFCpM)
I have read (forgot where) that JFK was a physical wreck during his presidency and hopped up on all kinds of drugs. Then I see the old newsreels of his speeches and he seems dynamic and cogent. I don’t know what to believe
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 19, 2025 12:22 PM (ANuwa)
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eah, but objectively Hitler's art was about as good as Hunter's.
Fidel was an otherwise decent ballplayer.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:19 PM (kFCpM)
don't really want to go on a tangent but Hitler was a competent artist of buildings and landscapes but was not for figures and portraits.
Fidel was an otherwise decent ballplayer.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:19 PM (kFCpM)
don't really want to go on a tangent but Hitler was a competent artist of buildings and landscapes but was not for figures and portraits.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:22 PM (VofaG)
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Explains why the media wing of the commicrat party is so seething mad at Trump and Musk. Having convinced the feds to help squelch pesky dissenting facts on SM they had huge influence on what people thought. Trump started shaking things up by going around them with his rallies and being sharper than the reporters at press conferences. Then with Musk buying twitter and turning it into X, and now with DOGE limiting the federal funding for propaganda and censorship, the FNM lies are exposed more easily and quickly. The FNM still have a large sector that just dismisses facts from 'the vast right wing conspiracy" but they've lost influence and they hate it.
Posted by: PaleRider at April 19, 2025 12:24 PM (CKOCg)
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I have read (forgot where) that JFK was a physical wreck during his presidency and hopped up on all kinds of drugs. Then I see the old newsreels of his speeches and he seems dynamic and cogent. I don’t know what to believe
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 19, 2025 12:22 PM (ANuwa)
I think it's accurate to say he had access to good drugs. I would suggest he had a good mind, and was a fairly deep thinker, but there were times when he was off the grid, precisely because he was physically impaired.
So when you see him in public, those are the times he was feeling better, or the meds he was on didn't affect his ability to speak.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 19, 2025 12:22 PM (ANuwa)
I think it's accurate to say he had access to good drugs. I would suggest he had a good mind, and was a fairly deep thinker, but there were times when he was off the grid, precisely because he was physically impaired.
So when you see him in public, those are the times he was feeling better, or the meds he was on didn't affect his ability to speak.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:24 PM (kFCpM)
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I have read (forgot where) that JFK was a physical wreck during his presidency and hopped up on all kinds of drugs. Then I see the old newsreels of his speeches and he seems dynamic and cogent. I don’t know what to believe
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 19, 2025 12:22 PM (ANuwa)
That should confirm it for you. They drugged up Biden the same way.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 19, 2025 12:22 PM (ANuwa)
That should confirm it for you. They drugged up Biden the same way.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:25 PM (VofaG)
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The FNM still have a large sector that just dismisses facts from 'the vast right wing conspiracy" but they've lost influence and they hate it.
Moreover, USAID was propping up fake media and censorship world-wide. They controlled 90% of media in Ukraine post-2014, for instance. It'll be interesting to see if there's a revolt against the dick pianist as that falls off.
Moreover, USAID was propping up fake media and censorship world-wide. They controlled 90% of media in Ukraine post-2014, for instance. It'll be interesting to see if there's a revolt against the dick pianist as that falls off.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:26 PM (QZThv)
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110
'don't really want to go on a tangent but Hitler was a competent artist of buildings and landscapes'
Not good enough for the Art Academy but good enough for Art junior college.
'don't really want to go on a tangent but Hitler was a competent artist of buildings and landscapes'
Not good enough for the Art Academy but good enough for Art junior college.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:26 PM (3wi/L)
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OT but.... it is Holy Saturday, so I'm putting this out there: the mystery of the Shroud of Turin, believed to be Jesus' burial shroud.
https://tinyurl.com/mwhj79c2
(Yes, he addresses the radiocarbon dating issue: more went on with that than we were told at the time.)
https://tinyurl.com/mwhj79c2
(Yes, he addresses the radiocarbon dating issue: more went on with that than we were told at the time.)
Posted by: Beverly at April 19, 2025 12:26 PM (Epeb0)
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Hesitant to continually bring him up but Hitler was a physical wreck too but the drugs allowed him to be a maniac on the stage .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:27 PM (VofaG)
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objectively Hitler's art was about as good as Hunter's.
He needed a gimmick, like painting with his dick.
He needed a gimmick, like painting with his dick.
Posted by: V.Z. from KEEEEEV at April 19, 2025 12:27 PM (QZThv)
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I saw an interesting video about Foxconn moving all its phone-building machines out of China. Truck after truck had been loaded with them for a month. The Chinese authorities were trying desperately to slow the exodus, but it was a foregone conclusion. l believe the destination was Vietnam or India.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:26 AM (s8j++)
Wow, that's something I hadn't thought about - just moving the tooling from China. That absolutely shortens the timeline for ramping up domestic production, as does bringing back American staff.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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This is exactly how much of American industry was off-shored.
Sometimes wiith a sweet tax exempt bonus - Set up shop with all new tooling in a state / city that'll give you a 'x' year tax abatement. Then go 'bankrupt' soon as the abatement runs out, sell the tooling to a sibling company (writing off the loss) and ship it all overseas.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 11:26 AM (s8j++)
Wow, that's something I hadn't thought about - just moving the tooling from China. That absolutely shortens the timeline for ramping up domestic production, as does bringing back American staff.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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This is exactly how much of American industry was off-shored.
Sometimes wiith a sweet tax exempt bonus - Set up shop with all new tooling in a state / city that'll give you a 'x' year tax abatement. Then go 'bankrupt' soon as the abatement runs out, sell the tooling to a sibling company (writing off the loss) and ship it all overseas.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 19, 2025 12:28 PM (/lPRQ)
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 12:28 PM (s8j++)
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On the thread topic, I work for an ad agency in New York City and they gave a presentation this week about what they're going to do with artificial intelligence. Monitoring is going to be quote, passive and ubiquitous. Every item in your household including your toilet is going to be set up to track and Trace all your behaviors and what you eat and excrete and how you sleep because yes they have Smart mattresses now. The goal is to have these tiny electronic manacles around every single aspect of life and they will pitch it as being for your health and safety. Health safety and convenience are the watch words.
Posted by: Beverly at April 19, 2025 12:28 PM (Epeb0)
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don't really want to go on a tangent but Hitler was a competent artist of buildings and landscapes but was not for figures and portraits.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:22 PM (VofaG)
Hey man, Tangents-R-Us.
I just looked... yeah, some are quite well done, but I wonder, there's a very distinct difference between some of his paintings. Looks like some of the buildings were perhaps traced from photos, and then colored in.
Where they seem more "freestyle," I'd say yeah, they're amateurish.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:22 PM (VofaG)
Hey man, Tangents-R-Us.
I just looked... yeah, some are quite well done, but I wonder, there's a very distinct difference between some of his paintings. Looks like some of the buildings were perhaps traced from photos, and then colored in.
Where they seem more "freestyle," I'd say yeah, they're amateurish.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:28 PM (AUuUW)
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117
'Hitler was a physical wreck too but the drugs allowed him to be a maniac on the stage .'
You know who else are physical wrecks but are maniacs on stage through the power of drugs?
'Hitler was a physical wreck too but the drugs allowed him to be a maniac on the stage .'
You know who else are physical wrecks but are maniacs on stage through the power of drugs?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:29 PM (3wi/L)
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ou know who else are physical wrecks but are maniacs on stage through the power of drugs?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:29 PM (3wi/L)
ROCK AND ROLLLLLL !!!
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:29 PM (3wi/L)
ROCK AND ROLLLLLL !!!
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:30 PM (VofaG)
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Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:26 PM (QZThv)
Good point. I had not even thought about the influence on foreign press and SM.
Good point. I had not even thought about the influence on foreign press and SM.
Posted by: PaleRider at April 19, 2025 12:31 PM (CKOCg)
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Vietnam will for some time, probably be far behind China in the ability to handle those massive container ships, but they'll have money to invest in infrastructure, if manufacturing keeps moving their way.
Posted by: illiniwek at April 19, 2025 12:31 PM (Cus5s)
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124
On the nose.
On the nose.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:31 PM (3wi/L)
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117 Hesitant to continually bring him up but Hitler was a physical wreck too but the drugs allowed him to be a maniac on the stage .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:27 PM (VofaG)
He was a needle injecting Amphetemine addict. Three times a day for a long time. His "doctor" was close right until... the end? Or will we find out more from the Argentinia files release?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:27 PM (VofaG)
He was a needle injecting Amphetemine addict. Three times a day for a long time. His "doctor" was close right until... the end? Or will we find out more from the Argentinia files release?
Posted by: Reforger at April 19, 2025 12:31 PM (xcIvR)
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115 What would have happened if somebody from the art school would have said " Herr Hitler, I'm afraid some of your artwork leaves much to be desired, but your architectural renderings are excellent. I am referring you to a firm giving you a good income". And 'Dolph says show me the money.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 19, 2025 12:32 PM (gm9Sb)
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127 124
On the nose.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:31 PM (3wi/L)
Ahem. *In* the nose.
On the nose.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:31 PM (3wi/L)
Ahem. *In* the nose.
Posted by: Steven Tyler, Stevie Nicks, etc. etc. at April 19, 2025 12:32 PM (PiwSw)
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Moreover, USAID was propping up fake media and censorship world-wide. They controlled 90% of media in Ukraine post-2014, for instance. It'll be interesting to see if there's a revolt against the dick pianist as that falls off.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:26 PM (QZThv)
The Politico story seemed to come and go quickly. They were funded by USAID (read, CIA).
I've heard it said CIA had plenty of so-called journalists on their payroll over the years, I wonder how much of it was filtered through this fake org. We really do need a full accounting, and not just ridicule at funding Sri Lankan trans theater, and such.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:26 PM (QZThv)
The Politico story seemed to come and go quickly. They were funded by USAID (read, CIA).
I've heard it said CIA had plenty of so-called journalists on their payroll over the years, I wonder how much of it was filtered through this fake org. We really do need a full accounting, and not just ridicule at funding Sri Lankan trans theater, and such.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:33 PM (NrEAT)
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Harvard and the other unis taking money from China and Qatar need to register as foreign agents.
Posted by: Night lifted.... at April 19, 2025 12:33 PM (FZn/N)
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Good point. I had not even thought about the influence on foreign press and SM.
Posted by: PaleRider at April 19, 2025 12:31 PM (CKOCg)
Elon's already said the EU's threats against 𝕏 are an obvious stalking-horse for trying to rebuild the censorship apparatus. Nina Jankowicz needs artisanal toast, or something.
Posted by: PaleRider at April 19, 2025 12:31 PM (CKOCg)
Elon's already said the EU's threats against 𝕏 are an obvious stalking-horse for trying to rebuild the censorship apparatus. Nina Jankowicz needs artisanal toast, or something.
Posted by: Michael Sembello at April 19, 2025 12:34 PM (QZThv)
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Disney is remaking Bambi. From the Week in Pictures:
https://is.gd/1FsqtU
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 12:28 PM (s8j++)
Start the speculation:
1. Dad gets shot instead of mom.
2. Bambi is
A. Female
B. Gay
3. Trans
https://is.gd/1FsqtU
Posted by: Archimedes at April 19, 2025 12:28 PM (s8j++)
Start the speculation:
1. Dad gets shot instead of mom.
2. Bambi is
A. Female
B. Gay
3. Trans
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:36 PM (NrEAT)
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you have to be deaf and blind not to realize that many news stories are planted by one of the Alphabets via patrolled journalists.
Hell even the Godfather showed its done .
And we have newspaper people on the payroll, don't we Tom?
Hell even the Godfather showed its done .
And we have newspaper people on the payroll, don't we Tom?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:37 PM (VofaG)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:37 PM (3wi/L)
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I've heard it said CIA had plenty of so-called journalists on their payroll over the years, I wonder how much of it was filtered through this fake org. We really do need a full accounting, and not just ridicule at funding Sri Lankan trans theater, and such.
Yeah. Whatever's left has gone into deep cover, although one of the hidden versions just got shut down after Rubio talked to Mike Benz (who's on this stuff like a bloodhound).
Yeah. Whatever's left has gone into deep cover, although one of the hidden versions just got shut down after Rubio talked to Mike Benz (who's on this stuff like a bloodhound).
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:37 PM (QZThv)
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How different would history be be if you could go back in history and change Hitler's name to Franz Poopenfarten?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at April 19, 2025 12:38 PM (QfIFm)
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134 Dad, played by one E. Fudd uses an evil AR pattern rifle and ventilates Bambi. And then goes drinking with MAGA buddies.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 19, 2025 12:39 PM (gm9Sb)
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Breaking Google will be of immense benefit to all humanity.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 19, 2025 11:34 AM (ZOv7s)
Google needs to be utterly destroyed. One thing that I believe Trump could do is have the FCC require that all smartphones sold be completely free of any Google accounts and apps (ditto for iPhones and Apple accounts). If you want that shit, you have to apply for it, and have it installed on your phone. And make it retroactive. Require all vendors who sell smartphones to provide Google-free operating systems to be installed on demand.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 19, 2025 11:34 AM (ZOv7s)
Google needs to be utterly destroyed. One thing that I believe Trump could do is have the FCC require that all smartphones sold be completely free of any Google accounts and apps (ditto for iPhones and Apple accounts). If you want that shit, you have to apply for it, and have it installed on your phone. And make it retroactive. Require all vendors who sell smartphones to provide Google-free operating systems to be installed on demand.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 19, 2025 12:39 PM (8zz6B)
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can't fault auto correct as I don't think 'payrolled' is a word until I made it so.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:39 PM (VofaG)
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1. Dad gets shot instead of mom.
2. Bambi is
A. Female
B. Gay
3. Trans
There is no dad, Bambi's mom is a Strong Doe Who Don't Need No Man.
Bambi is black and gay and missing a leg.
2. Bambi is
A. Female
B. Gay
3. Trans
There is no dad, Bambi's mom is a Strong Doe Who Don't Need No Man.
Bambi is black and gay and missing a leg.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:39 PM (QZThv)
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As a side effect, it's also a popular destination for remote-work tourists.
Also for criminals evading the long arm of US law.
It’s a no extradition country
Also for criminals evading the long arm of US law.
It’s a no extradition country
Posted by: kallisto at April 19, 2025 12:40 PM (GgwvW)
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As a side effect, it's also a popular destination for remote-work tourists.
Also for criminals evading the long arm of US law.
It’s a no extradition country
Posted by: kallisto at April 19, 2025 12:40 PM (GgwvW)
There is a really good movie with Matt Dillion and James Cann called City of Ghosts that takes place in Cambodia. At least I think its very under-rated.
Also for criminals evading the long arm of US law.
It’s a no extradition country
Posted by: kallisto at April 19, 2025 12:40 PM (GgwvW)
There is a really good movie with Matt Dillion and James Cann called City of Ghosts that takes place in Cambodia. At least I think its very under-rated.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:43 PM (VofaG)
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139 134 Dad, played by one E. Fudd uses an evil AR pattern rifle and ventilates Bambi. And then goes drinking with MAGA buddies.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 19, 2025 12:39 PM (gm9Sb)
Then they go fag bashing after getting trashed.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 19, 2025 12:39 PM (gm9Sb)
Then they go fag bashing after getting trashed.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at April 19, 2025 12:43 PM (QlkYi)
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Require all vendors who sell smartphones to provide Google-free operating systems to be installed on demand.
Android only exists to prop up Google's ad engine. If that's taken away, there will be no operating system to install. Or at least not one that isn't controlled by the profit motive-less hard Communists who've taken over Linux.
Android only exists to prop up Google's ad engine. If that's taken away, there will be no operating system to install. Or at least not one that isn't controlled by the profit motive-less hard Communists who've taken over Linux.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:43 PM (QZThv)
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134
'Start the speculation:
1. Dad gets shot instead of mom.
2. Bambi is
A. Female
B. Gay
3. Trans
He's black and voiced by Kevin Hart.
'Start the speculation:
1. Dad gets shot instead of mom.
2. Bambi is
A. Female
B. Gay
3. Trans
He's black and voiced by Kevin Hart.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:44 PM (3wi/L)
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You’d think Cuba would get in on the action. Cheap labor and only a 90 mile boat ride to Miami vs a 10k mile boat ride from Asia.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:39 AM (DKKgv)
Trump should be doing some quiet diplomacy to bring Cuba into the MAGA sphere. They can't even keep the lights on, or feed themselves. It would be a huge win if he could get Cuba's leaders to renounce Communism and rejoin a free market.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 19, 2025 11:39 AM (DKKgv)
Trump should be doing some quiet diplomacy to bring Cuba into the MAGA sphere. They can't even keep the lights on, or feed themselves. It would be a huge win if he could get Cuba's leaders to renounce Communism and rejoin a free market.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 19, 2025 12:44 PM (8zz6B)
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They've re-made The Lion King how many times now?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:44 PM (VofaG)
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Trump should be doing some quiet diplomacy to bring Cuba into the MAGA sphere. They can't even keep the lights on, or feed themselves. It would be a huge win if he could get Cuba's leaders to renounce Communism and rejoin a free market.
Or give every Miami Cuban an AR and a crate of ammo and let them borrow a lot of boats.
Or give every Miami Cuban an AR and a crate of ammo and let them borrow a lot of boats.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:45 PM (QZThv)
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Chicken KEEVE.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 19, 2025 12:45 PM (6n6EQ)
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Yeah. Whatever's left has gone into deep cover, although one of the hidden versions just got shut down after Rubio talked to Mike Benz (who's on this stuff like a bloodhound).
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:37 PM (QZThv)
I have wondered what Rubio's role was supposed to be in this admin.
One might even say he could be useful, in letting the rest of the team know when they're getting too close to hitting one of those rails. Not to keep them away from them, but to be better able to touch them strategically.
I think that might be Bondi's role too.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:37 PM (QZThv)
I have wondered what Rubio's role was supposed to be in this admin.
One might even say he could be useful, in letting the rest of the team know when they're getting too close to hitting one of those rails. Not to keep them away from them, but to be better able to touch them strategically.
I think that might be Bondi's role too.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:45 PM (ltVPJ)
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Make the Caribbean Great Again!
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at April 19, 2025 12:46 PM (dg+HA)
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Puerto Rico can't keep the lights on either.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 19, 2025 12:46 PM (6n6EQ)
Posted by: The Bay of Pigs at April 19, 2025 12:47 PM (dg+HA)
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The Caribbean would be great if it wasn't so dangerous.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:47 PM (VofaG)
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100 years ago Adi was the master of using radio for propaganda! No one else was close.
"Heute Deutschland; Morgan die Welt!"
Folk loved it!
"Heute Deutschland; Morgan die Welt!"
Folk loved it!
Posted by: rodney stanton at April 19, 2025 12:47 PM (hUvPf)
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I have wondered what Rubio's role was supposed to be in this admin.
One might even say he could be useful, in letting the rest of the team know when they're getting too close to hitting one of those rails. Not to keep them away from them, but to be better able to touch them strategically.
Yeah, I think in part the intent is that his perceived milquetoast-ness means he can get into things without raising alarms the way Steve Miller or Elon or Pete Hegseth might.
One might even say he could be useful, in letting the rest of the team know when they're getting too close to hitting one of those rails. Not to keep them away from them, but to be better able to touch them strategically.
Yeah, I think in part the intent is that his perceived milquetoast-ness means he can get into things without raising alarms the way Steve Miller or Elon or Pete Hegseth might.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:48 PM (QZThv)
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156
'The Caribbean would be great if it wasn't so dangerous.'
You mean if all the Caribbeans didn't live there?
'The Caribbean would be great if it wasn't so dangerous.'
You mean if all the Caribbeans didn't live there?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:48 PM (3wi/L)
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Ahem.
Posted by: The Bay of Pigs at April 19, 2025 12:47 PM (dg+HA)
Cuba is much, much weaker now than it was in 1962. And both Russia and China have large-scale distractions going.
Posted by: The Bay of Pigs at April 19, 2025 12:47 PM (dg+HA)
Cuba is much, much weaker now than it was in 1962. And both Russia and China have large-scale distractions going.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:49 PM (QZThv)
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They've re-made The Lion King how many times now?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:44 PM (VofaG)
Just the once, the live action version.
There's a sequel, which sucks bigly, but there's also a version they numbered Lion King 1 1/2, which is actually pretty good.
Showing the story from Timon and Pumba's point of view.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:44 PM (VofaG)
Just the once, the live action version.
There's a sequel, which sucks bigly, but there's also a version they numbered Lion King 1 1/2, which is actually pretty good.
Showing the story from Timon and Pumba's point of view.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:50 PM (ftih5)
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You mean if all the Caribbeans didn't live there?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:48 PM (3wi/L)
Some more than others. After all Caribbean means cannibal.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:48 PM (3wi/L)
Some more than others. After all Caribbean means cannibal.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:51 PM (VofaG)
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Puerto Rico can't keep the lights on either.
Because PR was run by grifter Democrats. They've since elected a Republican governor for the first time in who knows how long, but that's still going to be an uphill battle.
Because PR was run by grifter Democrats. They've since elected a Republican governor for the first time in who knows how long, but that's still going to be an uphill battle.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:52 PM (QZThv)
164
Yeah, I think in part the intent is that his perceived milquetoast-ness means he can get into things without raising alarms the way Steve Miller or Elon or Pete Hegseth might.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:48 PM (QZThv)
That's possible, if he's truly loyal to Trump. Maybe he is, but I suspect he is still tied to some anti-Trump factions in the party.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:48 PM (QZThv)
That's possible, if he's truly loyal to Trump. Maybe he is, but I suspect he is still tied to some anti-Trump factions in the party.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:53 PM (ftih5)
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Some more than others. After all Caribbean means cannibal.
This is why I want to see all the Palestinians rounded up and dropped off in Haiti.
This is why I want to see all the Palestinians rounded up and dropped off in Haiti.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:53 PM (QZThv)
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So, anyway, if I import a bunch of hood ornaments from Cuba, like 56 Pontiac's that light up, bring 'em into Canada as scrap metal, I can make out? Sign me up and find out if Jose has any Packard Caribbean parts.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 19, 2025 12:55 PM (gm9Sb)
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You mean if all the Caribbeans didn't live there?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:48 PM (3wi/L)
Some more than others. After all Caribbean means cannibal.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:51 PM (VofaG)
I thought it meant clip used to help you climb rocks.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:48 PM (3wi/L)
Some more than others. After all Caribbean means cannibal.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:51 PM (VofaG)
I thought it meant clip used to help you climb rocks.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:55 PM (IUr7k)
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*This is why I want to see all the Palestinians rounded up and dropped off in Haiti.*
They're eating the dogs
They're eating the cats
Of the people who live there
They're eating the dogs
They're eating the cats
Of the people who live there
Posted by: Kiffness at April 19, 2025 12:57 PM (dg+HA)
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That's possible, if he's truly loyal to Trump. Maybe he is, but I suspect he is still tied to some anti-Trump factions in the party.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:53 PM (ftih5)
I think he is truly loyal to the historic moment and does not want to be left out
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:53 PM (ftih5)
I think he is truly loyal to the historic moment and does not want to be left out
Posted by: MAC V SOG at April 19, 2025 12:57 PM (P4Pk9)
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First, they need to keep the lights on. Once they can do that consistently, they might have a chance.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf
====
Peuto Rico would like a word with you.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf
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Peuto Rico would like a word with you.
Posted by: From about That Time at April 19, 2025 12:58 PM (n4GiU)
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167 You mean if all the Caribbeans didn't live there?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:48 PM (3wi/L)
Some more than others. After all Caribbean means cannibal.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:51 PM (VofaG)
I thought it meant clip used to help you climb rocks.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:55 PM (IUr7k)
Elaine’s mimbo (male bimbo) got his beautiful face ruined because George and Kramer mishandled one of those caribiners! But George does make a beautiful chicken salad sandwich…. A Seinfeld for every season…
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 19, 2025 12:48 PM (3wi/L)
Some more than others. After all Caribbean means cannibal.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 12:51 PM (VofaG)
I thought it meant clip used to help you climb rocks.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 12:55 PM (IUr7k)
Elaine’s mimbo (male bimbo) got his beautiful face ruined because George and Kramer mishandled one of those caribiners! But George does make a beautiful chicken salad sandwich…. A Seinfeld for every season…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 19, 2025 01:00 PM (P/Wjn)
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So SCOTUS says Trump can't deport Venezuelan gang members without "due process" ? At least temporarily... Why bother having a President ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 19, 2025 01:01 PM (VE6XX)
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Android only exists to prop up Google's ad engine. If that's taken away, there will be no operating system to install. Or at least not one that isn't controlled by the profit motive-less hard Communists who've taken over Linux.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:43 PM (QZThv)
Android itself is technically "open-source", and was a fork off Linux. You can de-google and android phone, but it is a PITA for most of us. Technically, what I propose is eminently practical.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 19, 2025 12:43 PM (QZThv)
Android itself is technically "open-source", and was a fork off Linux. You can de-google and android phone, but it is a PITA for most of us. Technically, what I propose is eminently practical.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 19, 2025 01:02 PM (8zz6B)
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...Hitler was a competent artist of buildings and landscapes...
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
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So are you saying that you can appreciate Hitler's perspective?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
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So are you saying that you can appreciate Hitler's perspective?
Posted by: muldoon at April 19, 2025 01:02 PM (/iMjX)
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Local news here is reporting on city wide “hands off” protests that haven’t happened yet.
I thought that was called advertising.
I thought that was called advertising.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 19, 2025 01:03 PM (mca1W)
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Mimbo:
https://youtu.be/Po-tSDxGvj0
https://youtu.be/Po-tSDxGvj0
Posted by: Obligatory Seinfeld reference at April 19, 2025 01:03 PM (dg+HA)
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You can't deport foreign nationals who are members of terrotist organizations?
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 19, 2025 01:03 PM (6n6EQ)
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So SCOTUS says Trump can't deport Venezuelan gang members without "due process" ? At least temporarily... Why bother having a President ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 19, 2025 01:01 PM (VE6XX)
of course only Thomas and Alito dissented. But The Left will still categorize Trump's SC selections as Trump's far Right stooges.
Posted by: It's me donna at April 19, 2025 01:01 PM (VE6XX)
of course only Thomas and Alito dissented. But The Left will still categorize Trump's SC selections as Trump's far Right stooges.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 01:04 PM (VofaG)
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Schickelgruber was more an illustrator than an artist.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 19, 2025 01:05 PM (6n6EQ)
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175 Local news here is reporting on city wide “hands off” protests that haven’t happened yet.
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They're not paying enough.
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They're not paying enough.
Posted by: Stoner living in his parent's basement at April 19, 2025 01:05 PM (dg+HA)
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You can't deport foreign nationals who are members of terrotist organizations?
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 19, 2025 01:03 PM (6n6EQ)
of Course Obama did and it wasn't a problem because reasons...
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 19, 2025 01:03 PM (6n6EQ)
of Course Obama did and it wasn't a problem because reasons...
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 19, 2025 01:05 PM (VofaG)
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> So SCOTUS says Trump can't deport Venezuelan gang members without "due process" ? At least temporarily... Why bother having a President ?
Posted by: It's me donna
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Part of me thinks this is a veiled attempt to goad Trump into another impeachment fiasco. One with a better chance of success.
I don't think Trump will fall for it, but it will effectively leave 25+ million illegals here for the duration of his term is this isn't resolved in his favor.
And... complicates the next GOP candidate's chances too. Which is probably "The Plan™"
Posted by: It's me donna
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Part of me thinks this is a veiled attempt to goad Trump into another impeachment fiasco. One with a better chance of success.
I don't think Trump will fall for it, but it will effectively leave 25+ million illegals here for the duration of his term is this isn't resolved in his favor.
And... complicates the next GOP candidate's chances too. Which is probably "The Plan™"
Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 19, 2025 01:06 PM (Q4IgG)
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180 175 Local news here is reporting on city wide “hands off” protests that haven’t happened yet.
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Hands off what ? Illegals? Fraud and abuse in Government ?Boys in girls bathrooms/ sports ?
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Hands off what ? Illegals? Fraud and abuse in Government ?Boys in girls bathrooms/ sports ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 19, 2025 01:07 PM (VE6XX)
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I have 1973 Price is Right on in the background.
A nice lady missed out on a $2600 car.
If inflation is theft, then damn.
A nice lady missed out on a $2600 car.
If inflation is theft, then damn.
Posted by: Stateless.. 12% - mental state clawing up from 10%, shit happened, clawing back next week at April 19, 2025 01:08 PM (jvJvP)
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What was Gorsuch's reasoning? Old law? No declaration of war? Time to more quietly deport the illegals.
Posted by: Night lifted.... at April 19, 2025 01:10 PM (FZn/N)
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IMO, stop making videos of deportation and begging the left to make a scene. I little less flamboyance would go a long way. Obama didn't make videos and attach music o his deportations.
Posted by: Night lifted.... at April 19, 2025 01:13 PM (FZn/N)
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172 So SCOTUS says Trump can't deport Venezuelan gang members without "due process" ? At least temporarily... Why bother having a President ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 19, 2025 01:01 PM (VE6XX)
I think this is a tipping point. He is the president, the chief executive. As such, I would like to see prepare the way for nullification of certain court rulings in the name of his Constitutionally sacred obligations to the nation. I would like to see a careful plan assembled by his team of lawyers with outside help from distinguished Constitutional law scholars, followed by a national address, and complete with a challenge to the legislative branch to proceed with impeachment if they come to decide it is necessary.
Posted by: It's me donna at April 19, 2025 01:01 PM (VE6XX)
I think this is a tipping point. He is the president, the chief executive. As such, I would like to see prepare the way for nullification of certain court rulings in the name of his Constitutionally sacred obligations to the nation. I would like to see a careful plan assembled by his team of lawyers with outside help from distinguished Constitutional law scholars, followed by a national address, and complete with a challenge to the legislative branch to proceed with impeachment if they come to decide it is necessary.
Posted by: Ordinary American at April 19, 2025 01:15 PM (vsTPo)
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175 Local news here is reporting on city wide “hands off” protests that haven’t happened yet.
I thought that was called advertising.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 19, 2025 01:03 PM (mca1W)
It really is, there's so much "paid content" that goes on so-called news sites, and newscasts, and into newspapers, many are more open about what is and is not advertising.
Many obviously are not. And that doesn't even get into the question of so-called journalists who are already bought and paid for by various big money sources.
I thought that was called advertising.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 19, 2025 01:03 PM (mca1W)
It really is, there's so much "paid content" that goes on so-called news sites, and newscasts, and into newspapers, many are more open about what is and is not advertising.
Many obviously are not. And that doesn't even get into the question of so-called journalists who are already bought and paid for by various big money sources.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 01:18 PM (kobze)
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It appears the play is to tempt Trump into telling a Judge to GFY so he can then be impeached by the Uniparty.
Posted by: jsg at April 19, 2025 01:19 PM (UJ+K5)
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172 So SCOTUS says Trump can't deport Venezuelan gang members without "due process" ? At least temporarily... Why bother having a President ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 19, 2025 01:01 PM (VE6XX)
Being in the right, he can call their bluff. Or be stymied for four years on his most important objectives.
Posted by: It's me donna at April 19, 2025 01:01 PM (VE6XX)
Being in the right, he can call their bluff. Or be stymied for four years on his most important objectives.
Posted by: Ordinary American at April 19, 2025 01:22 PM (vsTPo)
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Every individual Illegal has to get their case heard by a Federal Judge I guess now
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 01:23 PM (ypFCm)
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The one thing that keeps me going is the Trump Train is talking about 2026, 2028, 2032, and beyond.
The Uniparty is trying to survive the week.
I could be wrong...
The Uniparty is trying to survive the week.
I could be wrong...
Posted by: jsg at April 19, 2025 01:24 PM (UJ+K5)
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Many obviously are not. And that doesn't even get into the question of so-called journalists who are already bought and paid for by various big money sources.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 01:18 PM (kobze)
In Mexico in the 70's when the government allowed a free press but had a monopoly on the production and sale of newsprint paper, it had both an over view of what all got printed and got to provide articles on demand. Eventually it got bad enough that the journalists and editors came to the agreement that all news articles that were supplied by the Mexican government had headlines in italics, so the reporters wouldn't be fooled and take them as actual news when doing their own reporting.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 01:18 PM (kobze)
In Mexico in the 70's when the government allowed a free press but had a monopoly on the production and sale of newsprint paper, it had both an over view of what all got printed and got to provide articles on demand. Eventually it got bad enough that the journalists and editors came to the agreement that all news articles that were supplied by the Mexican government had headlines in italics, so the reporters wouldn't be fooled and take them as actual news when doing their own reporting.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 19, 2025 01:25 PM (D7oie)
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It appears the play is to tempt Trump into telling a Judge to GFY so he can then be impeached by the Uniparty.
Posted by: jsg at April 19, 2025 01:19 PM (UJ+K5)
That will last until the DOJ requires the housing and feeding of the backlog of deportees to be borne by the courts holding the hearings, I suspect.
Posted by: jsg at April 19, 2025 01:19 PM (UJ+K5)
That will last until the DOJ requires the housing and feeding of the backlog of deportees to be borne by the courts holding the hearings, I suspect.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 19, 2025 01:27 PM (D7oie)
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Chomsky makes an argument that the public view of politics is "manufactured consent" and...I think he is right in this.
He argues this is a "rightwing consent", because he is a leftwing extremist, so it is right of him, but overall something has certainly changed in America.
As a simple example of this - imagine taking a group of voters from say 2005. How would they vote on child sexual mutilation, importing rapists and gang members and putting them on welfare, and the semi-legalization of pedophilia?
95-5 or more against right? And while I do acknowledge our voting tallies are corrupted, I think its fair to argue 30-40% of the country now votes for the things a generation ago they not just overwhelmingly opposed but would have claimed no sane person would ever support.
You only get to that point via massive propaganda.
He argues this is a "rightwing consent", because he is a leftwing extremist, so it is right of him, but overall something has certainly changed in America.
As a simple example of this - imagine taking a group of voters from say 2005. How would they vote on child sexual mutilation, importing rapists and gang members and putting them on welfare, and the semi-legalization of pedophilia?
95-5 or more against right? And while I do acknowledge our voting tallies are corrupted, I think its fair to argue 30-40% of the country now votes for the things a generation ago they not just overwhelmingly opposed but would have claimed no sane person would ever support.
You only get to that point via massive propaganda.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2025 01:28 PM (t0Rmr)
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Every individual Illegal has to get their case heard by a Federal Judge I guess now
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 01:23 PM (ypFCm)
This issue NEEDS to be adjudicated, once and for all: Do the courts claim that everyone who steps into this country without proper procedure to be here legally, must now get a day in court before they can be removed?
If so, we don't have a country.
So be it. Courts, say so. Once and for all, so we know where to go from here.
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 01:23 PM (ypFCm)
This issue NEEDS to be adjudicated, once and for all: Do the courts claim that everyone who steps into this country without proper procedure to be here legally, must now get a day in court before they can be removed?
If so, we don't have a country.
So be it. Courts, say so. Once and for all, so we know where to go from here.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 01:30 PM (5PP+G)
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191 Every individual Illegal has to get their case heard by a Federal Judge I guess now
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 01:23 PM (ypFCm)
10 million illegals needing deportation means 10 million individual hearings, which of course can never be done, and that's the entire point of the exercise.
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 01:23 PM (ypFCm)
10 million illegals needing deportation means 10 million individual hearings, which of course can never be done, and that's the entire point of the exercise.
Posted by: Elaine at April 19, 2025 01:30 PM (uWKK8)
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So SCOTUS says Trump can't deport Venezuelan gang members without "due process" ?
Trump needs to note he is following the precedent of Roosevelt v Hirohito and use the army to start expelling the invaders...
And if a judge opposes well, what what have happened to a judge that opposed allowing FDR free reign against invaders in 1942?
Trump needs to note he is following the precedent of Roosevelt v Hirohito and use the army to start expelling the invaders...
And if a judge opposes well, what what have happened to a judge that opposed allowing FDR free reign against invaders in 1942?
Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2025 01:30 PM (t0Rmr)
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GARDEN THREAD IS BLOOMING
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 01:31 PM (ypFCm)
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Every individual Illegal has to get their case heard by a Federal Judge I guess now
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 01:23 PM (ypFCm)
So, just let Trump nominate a bunch of us Morons as Federal Immigration judges. We each get a list of criteria upon which to determine gang membership, the final one being: "Oh, for fuck's sake, this bozo is a gangster. Just look at his sad ass!"
Each of us works 3 hours a week, and processes ten cases an hour. If their lawyers object, declare them to be in comtempt, and sentence them to be flogged.
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 01:23 PM (ypFCm)
So, just let Trump nominate a bunch of us Morons as Federal Immigration judges. We each get a list of criteria upon which to determine gang membership, the final one being: "Oh, for fuck's sake, this bozo is a gangster. Just look at his sad ass!"
Each of us works 3 hours a week, and processes ten cases an hour. If their lawyers object, declare them to be in comtempt, and sentence them to be flogged.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 19, 2025 01:31 PM (8zz6B)
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Another thing I'd like to see is Trump billing the NGOs that brought the illegals here for the cost of expelling them...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2025 01:31 PM (t0Rmr)
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One thing not being discussed is what will SCOTUS do with regards to the 10's of thousands of Chinese and Middle Eastern men of military age, with no families, who also entered the US illegally. Protect them too? I'm betting they will try.
Waiting until one group or the other initiates a mass casualty event doesn't seem prudent.
Waiting until one group or the other initiates a mass casualty event doesn't seem prudent.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 19, 2025 01:31 PM (Q4IgG)
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If their lawyers object, declare them to be in comtempt, and sentence them to be flogged.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 19, 2025 01:31 PM (8zz6B)
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"Bailiff! Seize him and spank him!"
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 19, 2025 01:31 PM (8zz6B)
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"Bailiff! Seize him and spank him!"
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at April 19, 2025 01:33 PM (6K6Eu)
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In Mexico in the 70's when the government allowed a free press but had a monopoly on the production and sale of newsprint paper, it had both an over view of what all got printed and got to provide articles on demand. Eventually it got bad enough that the journalists and editors came to the agreement that all news articles that were supplied by the Mexican government had headlines in italics, so the reporters wouldn't be fooled and take them as actual news when doing their own reporting.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 19, 2025 01:25 PM (D7oie)
I've seen some online sites that do that, sort of. Put "Paid Advertisement" somewhere at the top of an article.
Some are more insidious though. One obvious example is the latest Hollowood garbage. How much do sites and papers and teevee get paid to promote the new Dinsey product, or Amazon claptrap? I know guys like Drinker and Nerdrotic mock them as "paid shills," and I guess they are.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 19, 2025 01:25 PM (D7oie)
I've seen some online sites that do that, sort of. Put "Paid Advertisement" somewhere at the top of an article.
Some are more insidious though. One obvious example is the latest Hollowood garbage. How much do sites and papers and teevee get paid to promote the new Dinsey product, or Amazon claptrap? I know guys like Drinker and Nerdrotic mock them as "paid shills," and I guess they are.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 01:35 PM (kyrOa)
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One of the books I'm reading right now is "The Times: How the Newspaper of Record Survived Scandal, Scorn, and the Transformation of Journalism" by Adam Nagourney. It's pretty good. The more I read about A.M. Rosenthal, the executive editor from 1977-1986, the more I wish that he was able to extend his leadership over the newsroom. He was a complicated individual, but he despised the shifts into outright liberalism that the reporters were increasingly demanding, and struggled to retain some semblance of objectivity at the Times. After he left, the deluge of liberal dreck really started in earnest. Fell off a cliff after that.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 19, 2025 01:36 PM (M1gYD)
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The "great" depression was only "great" because the new media in 1929 such as radio and movie reels hollered and screeched about how bad it was. Depressions had come and gone before
Let’s not get carried away here. The ‘29 collapse was extraordinarily bad. Keep in mind the banks collapsed. There was no FDIC. You had money in the bank, it was gone. The End. If you had kept your cash behind a brick in the fireplace, you were fine. But most people didn’t do that.
You entire life savings, gone. Now, your employer goes belly up. You have no job.
Official numbers were 25 per cent Unemployment. Keep in mind, in those days Farmers and Ranchers were not considered part of the workforce for statistical purposes. Nor were government employees - military, postal service, and federal workers.
The US economy was prostrate.
Let’s not get carried away here. The ‘29 collapse was extraordinarily bad. Keep in mind the banks collapsed. There was no FDIC. You had money in the bank, it was gone. The End. If you had kept your cash behind a brick in the fireplace, you were fine. But most people didn’t do that.
You entire life savings, gone. Now, your employer goes belly up. You have no job.
Official numbers were 25 per cent Unemployment. Keep in mind, in those days Farmers and Ranchers were not considered part of the workforce for statistical purposes. Nor were government employees - military, postal service, and federal workers.
The US economy was prostrate.
Posted by: Common Tater at April 19, 2025 01:36 PM (tM8U8)
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Trump needs to note he is following the precedent of Roosevelt v Hirohito and use the army to start expelling the invaders...
And if a judge opposes well, what what have happened to a judge that opposed allowing FDR free reign against invaders in 1942?
Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2025 01:30 PM (t0Rmr)
Jimmy Dore did a deep dive into this topic, showing how Obama is the one who implemented this policy of deporting without "due process."
Now, Jimmy's an old style lefty, he's opposed to the mass deportations, but he's pointing out what hypocrites the lefties are, for not acknowledging Bobama's doing it.
And of course they are.
And if a judge opposes well, what what have happened to a judge that opposed allowing FDR free reign against invaders in 1942?
Posted by: 18-1 at April 19, 2025 01:30 PM (t0Rmr)
Jimmy Dore did a deep dive into this topic, showing how Obama is the one who implemented this policy of deporting without "due process."
Now, Jimmy's an old style lefty, he's opposed to the mass deportations, but he's pointing out what hypocrites the lefties are, for not acknowledging Bobama's doing it.
And of course they are.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 19, 2025 01:38 PM (kyrOa)
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Regarding Lippman and propaganda: A short youtube video I saw a few years back about Edward Bernays got me to thinking about things I never even considered before since I was about as far from majoring in business as anyone could be.
My conclusion was that the world is chock full of very clever and very well compensated people whose entire shtick is to manipulate entertainment, media, and political discourse to make people feel dissatisfied with whatever they have.
Once I realized that these are my enemies and that these fucking minions of satan have declared war on me and everything I hold dear, my stress level has nearly flatlined.
My conclusion was that the world is chock full of very clever and very well compensated people whose entire shtick is to manipulate entertainment, media, and political discourse to make people feel dissatisfied with whatever they have.
Once I realized that these are my enemies and that these fucking minions of satan have declared war on me and everything I hold dear, my stress level has nearly flatlined.
Posted by: biteme at April 19, 2025 01:38 PM (xWS9V)
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Leftists lie with the ease you breath
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 11:39 AM
When they lie they but speak their native tongue.
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 11:39 AM
When they lie they but speak their native tongue.
Posted by: toby928 reminds at April 19, 2025 01:43 PM (jc0TO)
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I think this SCOTUS thing will end up as a nothing-burger. The court will suggest an amount of notice required for habeas while being very vague so as to stay in their lane, maybe two or three weeks or up to 30 days will be the agreement with DOJ, and then an appearance before an Article II Immigration Judge, in Texas, to order deportation, a quick appeal, again in Article II court, that will be denied, and the big flight home, or to prison in a third country if Venezuela won't take their citizens back.
Posted by: toby928 reminds at April 19, 2025 01:58 PM (jc0TO)
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Freedom of the press" was actually not about a bunch of self accredited whinny simps publishing BS but about restricting the people's access to an actual Press. Thus being able to print pamphlets and books. One of the major methods of mass communication for the time. The others being standing on a soap box (freedom of speach) and shouting at each other in a bar (freedom of assembly).
Posted by: Reforger at April 19, 2025 12:20 PM (xcIvR)
And you'll get arrested for it. See eg Jeff Gray.
Posted by: Reforger at April 19, 2025 12:20 PM (xcIvR)
And you'll get arrested for it. See eg Jeff Gray.
Posted by: Free speech except the speech the state doesnt like at April 19, 2025 02:16 PM (TbWk/)
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Posted by: toby928 reminds at April 19, 2025 01:58 PM (jc0TO)
Sooo... the Native American Indians all got individual hearings before being deported to Reservations?
WW2.. Japanese Internment camps? all got individual hearings?
Project Wetback post WW2....
More, every American citizen who got their rights taken during the Covid Lockdowns got individual hearings as to whether they could go to CHURCH?
The Court is taking more power unto itself. It is a blatant power grab outside its own authority... but then... that is what happens when you have the Courts and ONLY the Courts, defining what powers they have.
Sooo... the Native American Indians all got individual hearings before being deported to Reservations?
WW2.. Japanese Internment camps? all got individual hearings?
Project Wetback post WW2....
More, every American citizen who got their rights taken during the Covid Lockdowns got individual hearings as to whether they could go to CHURCH?
The Court is taking more power unto itself. It is a blatant power grab outside its own authority... but then... that is what happens when you have the Courts and ONLY the Courts, defining what powers they have.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2025 02:24 PM (QAkQ3)
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Posted by: Common Tater at April 19, 2025 01:36 PM (tM8U
Lets see... Fed Res System created in 1913...
Depression caused by Banks crashing... 1929... just 16 years later.
2008 Economic crises... caused by banks playing with large groups of mortgages and treating them as tradeable resources... without keeping good track of who owned which mortgage... and using those as part of their bank reserves (which was fine with the Fed Res, until it wasn't).
Inflation... flat out caused by the amount of money created by banks via Fractional Lending... they literally create money, taking away the value of your money...
Sounds like we have a banking problem to me.
Lets see... Fed Res System created in 1913...
Depression caused by Banks crashing... 1929... just 16 years later.
2008 Economic crises... caused by banks playing with large groups of mortgages and treating them as tradeable resources... without keeping good track of who owned which mortgage... and using those as part of their bank reserves (which was fine with the Fed Res, until it wasn't).
Inflation... flat out caused by the amount of money created by banks via Fractional Lending... they literally create money, taking away the value of your money...
Sounds like we have a banking problem to me.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2025 02:31 PM (QAkQ3)
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The Court is taking more power unto itself. It is a blatant power grab outside its own authority... but then... that is what happens when you have the Courts and ONLY the Courts, defining what powers they have.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2025 02:24 PM
Exactly so. Until they are curbed they will push as far as they can.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2025 02:24 PM
Exactly so. Until they are curbed they will push as far as they can.
Posted by: toby928 at April 19, 2025 02:35 PM (jc0TO)
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Heh, Ace isn't the only one with a time machine.
Supreme Court BLOCKS migrant deportations as Trump pushes presidential powers to the brink
By JAMES CIRRONE FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
Published: 02:39 EDT, 19 April 2025 | Updated: 03:00 EDT, 19 April 2025
Supreme Court BLOCKS migrant deportations as Trump pushes presidential powers to the brink
By JAMES CIRRONE FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
Published: 02:39 EDT, 19 April 2025 | Updated: 03:00 EDT, 19 April 2025
Posted by: toby928 at April 19, 2025 02:48 PM (jc0TO)
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Remember that 'due process' is just the process that is due. In the illegal's case, he's had boatloads of process in the form of his prior hearings, notice, and an opportunity to be heard. The court (twice, I think) found him to be illegal and a member of a violent gang.
Posted by: LASue at April 19, 2025 02:54 PM (lCppi)
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Can't say know much about Israel but the little I do read it appears what has happened to our courts taking over is what has already happened to Israel
Posted by: Skip at April 19, 2025 03:25 PM (ypFCm)
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Oh, and "without evidence" has been moving up quickly in the rankings.
Posted by: Archimedes
I'm right here.
But when I say "I'm right here," people take me at my word and ignore me.
* sigh *
Posted by: Archimedes
I'm right here.
But when I say "I'm right here," people take me at my word and ignore me.
* sigh *
Posted by: Despite Evidence to the Contrary at April 19, 2025 03:45 PM (DgGvY)
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SCROTUS is trying its damnedest to make Dredd Scott relatively trivial in setting the stage for a civil war.
Next step - Trump cannot repel an invasion because the invaders were not as well organized and armed as SCROTUS deems required for a real invasion.
... wait, they just did that.
Next step - Trump cannot repel an invasion because the invaders were not as well organized and armed as SCROTUS deems required for a real invasion.
... wait, they just did that.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 19, 2025 04:04 PM (/lPRQ)
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219 SCROTUS is trying its damnedest to make Dredd Scott relatively trivial in setting the stage for a civil war.
Next step - Trump cannot repel an invasion because the invaders were not as well organized and armed as SCROTUS deems required for a real invasion.
... wait, they just did that.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 19, 2025 04:04 PM (/lPRQ)
During Covid, the Supreme Court stated time and again they were AOK with taking away Natural Born Citizens Constitutional Rights, because there was a National Emergency.
Trump has already declared Illegal Immigration to be a National Emergency.
So the Courts will intervene on the behalf of those who should not even be here, but will not intervene for actual Citizens.
OK then.
Next step - Trump cannot repel an invasion because the invaders were not as well organized and armed as SCROTUS deems required for a real invasion.
... wait, they just did that.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 19, 2025 04:04 PM (/lPRQ)
During Covid, the Supreme Court stated time and again they were AOK with taking away Natural Born Citizens Constitutional Rights, because there was a National Emergency.
Trump has already declared Illegal Immigration to be a National Emergency.
So the Courts will intervene on the behalf of those who should not even be here, but will not intervene for actual Citizens.
OK then.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 19, 2025 04:13 PM (QAkQ3)
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