Pathologist: It Wasn't the Chokehold That Killed Jordan Neely. It Was All of the Drugs He Was On.

Maybe Daniel "The White Man" Penny will get off.

It wasn't a chokehold that killed Jordan Neely.
That was the testimony of forensic pathologist Dr. Satish Chundru for the defense -- and he was pretty damn convincing.
Or at least effective at sowing reasonable doubt that Daniel Penny's maneuver caused Neely's death on an uptown F train on May 1, 2023.
On the stand, Chundru calmly and confidently explained why city medical examiner Dr. Cynthia Harris was wrong in declaring that Neely died of the chokehold.

Chundru, who had previously worked as a medical examiner in both Austin and Miami, called her findings, "speculative." He added that it was "shocking" they rendered their ruling in only two days.
Harris came to her conclusion before the toxicology report came back, saying even if it turned out that Neely had enough fentanyl in him "to put down an elephant" she still would have stuck with her original decision.
Chundru was simple and straightforward in his explanation: A chokehold death is basically a two part process.
"Phase one is unconsciousness; you have to put enough consistent pressure to render the person unconscious," Chundru said. "Phase two is you have to sustain that pressure for an extended period of time that leads to death."

Chundru said Neely had already expired or was going through the dying process when he went limp. Prosecutors say Penny held Neely in a chokehold for 51 seconds after he passed out.
But Chundru said, "Neely never went unconscious before that, which is what you need if it's a chokehold death."
So what did kill him? Chundru said it was the "combined effects" of synthetic marijuana otherwise known as K2, schizophrenia, his struggle and restraint, and sickle cell crisis, an often painful and distressing event, where cells change shape and block blood vessels.
Jordan Neely, was a homeless man with a history of drug use and mental illness.
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But after a morning of discussing of blood chokes, air chokes and arteries, the prosecution went straight for Chundru's jugular during a combative cross examination.
Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Dafna Yoran tried to paint him as a less than discerning hired gun who performed far too many autopsies and earned loads of money for his services. She pointed out that he is regularly hired by defense attorneys to refute the prosecution. (He said it was about 60 percent of the cases he took on).
Chundru was unapologetic saying he worked hard and added that his "business is doing well."

I don't know. It's a principle of law that "you take your victim as you find him." If the man you punch just happens to have a very soft skull that cracks when he falls to the ground, you can't get off by pleading that he was especially vulnerable.

Don't get me wrong, this entire trial is another of vicious racialist Alvin Bragg's political persecutions, but I imagine the jury will be instructed that it doesn't matter what prior conditions Neely had.

Daniel Penny lacked the intent to kill, or even the willful disregard of the risks. He was protecting people who said they were "terrified" by this deranged drugged-up lifelong criminal thug.

But will the jury see that? Or will they just convict "The White Man"?

Meanwhile, another perp effed around and found out on the subway that Alvin Bragg has turned into a hunting ground for sociopaths and psychotics.

A straphanger was slugged in the face by an irate seatmate on a Manhattan-bound subway, but he managed to wrestle the "little b--ch" to the floor -- but that's when fellow passengers jumped in to help his attacker.
Alexander Rakitin, 42, was riding the N train to his Manhattan finance job Monday morning when he sat down next to 34-year-old Timothy Barbee.
As the train took off, the car jolted, causing Rakitin's knee to jostle Barbee's -- which set the alleged assailant off.
"Apparently my knee touched his knee. That triggered him," Rakitin told The Post.
"He was just very aggressive. I'm like, saying, 'Dude, just chill, it's like 8:30 in the morning. Like, who needs this s--t? Just chill.'"
Footage taken by another straphanger captured the two staring each other down, before Barbee yelled "It's f--king done, stop staring at me" -- and proceeded to tell the protesting Rakitin to "Make me chill" and "Shut the f--k up."
Their verbal exchange quieted for a moment while they continued to stare each other down, before Barbee said, "I ain't got time to go to jail today."
Then he smacked Rakitin across the face -- sending his glasses flying -- before the camera cut out.
"I was able to wrestle him to the ground after that, and just kind of hold him," Rakitin said. "And the craziest part was that -- and this is literally upsetting, like I'm actually emotional about it -- people on the train were trying to help him. Like, that was the most insane thing.

"It was also remarkable -- he went from acting like such a thug. And then he turned into a little b--h right away. He's like, 'I can't breathe. Please, let me go. Please, let me go. I can't breathe. Somebody give me some water. I can't breathe.' And people started giving him water. That was so insane."

Of course, the "I can't breathe" line that all of the criminals and thugs have memorized.

"People started helping [Barbee]," Rakitin added. "And they were like, 'Dude, just let him go. Let him go.' I'm like, 'Are you crazy?' Like, if I let him go, he's just gonna get up and hit me again. Like, I don't want that."
Rakitin continued to pin Barbee down until the train pulled into the next station. Once police arrived, they hauled the aggressor away.
"They asked me if I want to press charges. I said, 'Yeah, why not?' Like, this person, he can't just walk around punching people," Rakitin said.

I betcha he can just walk around punching people, if George Soros' prosecutor has anything to say about it.

Barbee, a Brooklyn resident with no prior arrests, was charged with third-degree assault.
Rakitin was left with lacerations and scratches to his face, but declined medical attention.
He said the attack should come as no surprise to anyone.
"To be honest, like everybody sees the way the city is -- it's not like it's changing. I already saw that the city is like this, that you're in a constant danger of aggression or violent crime," he said.
"It's not like it's changing. It's just kind of reaffirming that that's the way the city is."

Posted by: Ace at 03:13 PM

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1 Howdy!

Posted by: Moonbeam at November 26, 2024 03:13 PM (rbKZ6)

2 Hola!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 26, 2024 03:13 PM (wtvvX)

3 True dat

Posted by: RUReadingthis at November 26, 2024 03:14 PM (aQ25I)

4 The Modern Left, all white men, unless Alec Baldwin, are guilty until proven innocent.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 26, 2024 03:14 PM (4aTF4)

5 I NOODed.

Posted by: Moonbeam at November 26, 2024 03:15 PM (rbKZ6)

6 >>>The Modern Left, all white men, unless Alec Baldwin, are guilty until proven innocent.

accurate.

Posted by: ace at November 26, 2024 03:15 PM (KRtlO)

7 Really it's the system of not housing mental patients that killed Neeley

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at November 26, 2024 03:15 PM (gDlxJ)

8 Gonna be hilarious when Bragg wins re-election by 25 points.

NYC wants this.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:15 PM (GBKbO)

9 Shades of Saint Floyd.

Posted by: wth at November 26, 2024 03:16 PM (v0R5T)

10 White male. Burn him.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 26, 2024 03:16 PM (/U5Yz)

11 So New York City is now Frank Miller's Sin City meets the worst of Chrstopher Nolan's Gotham City.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 26, 2024 03:16 PM (4aTF4)

12 A Penny saved is a Penny earned.

Posted by: Benjamin Franklin at November 26, 2024 03:17 PM (5iUPP)

13 11 So New York City is now Frank Miller's Sin City meets the worst of Chrstopher Nolan's Gotham City.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 26, 2024 03:16 PM (4aTF4)

=======

Can't even get a good hardtop anymore.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:17 PM (GBKbO)

14 It's the same old, same old, just as George Floyd died of a drug overdose.

Posted by: Moonbeam at November 26, 2024 03:17 PM (rbKZ6)

15 Neely had enough fentanyl in him "to put down an elephant"

That's racist.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at November 26, 2024 03:18 PM (mGmwd)

16 Epstein didn't kill himself. I don't think he's even dead.

I'd love to see Trump trot him out in handcuffs with his black book. Give him a pardon for full disclosure.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at November 26, 2024 03:18 PM (UoYkE)

17 The lesson here is "Don't take the N train. It's a racist train."

Posted by: Mayor Pete Bootyjudge at November 26, 2024 03:19 PM (eHKNk)

18 "I was able to wrestle him to the ground after that, and just kind of hold him," Rakitin said. "And the craziest part was that -- and this is literally upsetting, like I'm actually emotional about it -- people on the train were trying to help him. Like, that was the most insane thing.

Who did you vote for?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 26, 2024 03:19 PM (xCA6C)

19 The Left isn't even really against white men, that's just a cudgel. Did Matt Lauer go to jail? How about Polanski?

Posted by: ... at November 26, 2024 03:19 PM (5iUPP)

20 "They asked me if I want to press charges. I said, 'Yeah, why not?' Like, this person, he can't just walk around punching people," Rakitin said.

Because The People aren't going to be pursuing anything against this man, and you forcing us to go through the paperwork is going to make us treat you differently in the future.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 26, 2024 03:19 PM (aYubz)

21
That "I can't breath" shit is the new "Hands up I'm not resisting!" as they are fighting and resisting.

It's the $$$ proclamation so they can get a settlement.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 26, 2024 03:20 PM (+oR7L)

22 How about Polanski?
Posted by: ...

Well, he was at least convicted, in absentia. Fled the country.

Posted by: Bulg at November 26, 2024 03:20 PM (v6JzV)

23 Like, this person, he can't just walk around punching people," Rakitin said.

You were apparently asleep for the last decade.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 26, 2024 03:20 PM (xCA6C)

24 22 How about Polanski?
Posted by: ...

Well, he was at least convicted, in absentia. Fled the country.
Posted by: Bulg at November 26, 2024 03:20 PM (v6JzV)

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And the conviction was more than 40 years ago.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:21 PM (GBKbO)

25 600 Nitro Express > fentanyl for elephant

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at November 26, 2024 03:21 PM (mGmwd)

26 >Pathologist: It Wasn't the Chokehold That Killed Jordan Neely. It Was All of the Drugs He Was On.
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okay
suppose Neely never had the encounter with Penny
would he have died that day anyway

Posted by: Don Black at November 26, 2024 03:21 PM (/7KEl)

27
New York doesn't reward heroes or Chivalry.

Let New York get it good and hard.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 26, 2024 03:21 PM (+oR7L)

28 Maybe Daniel "The White Man" Penny will get off.

It's Manhattan.

No person perceived as being conservative can get a fair trial in Manhattan or Washington DC, and it is an absolute travesty of justice that the defense can't get the trial moved to some other location that isn't so overwhelmingly left-wing.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 26, 2024 03:21 PM (uxCna)

29 This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at November 26, 2024 03:21 PM (Vyll1)

30 New York New York,
A criminal town!
They'll smash your skull
Just for sittin' around!
Folks get stabbed as they ride undergorund!
New York New York, it's a criminal toooooown!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 26, 2024 03:22 PM (wtvvX)

31 "Neely had enough fentanyl in him "to put down an elephant".

So, about 3 micrograms?

Trump needs to boost the CHina tariff to 50% until they stop destroying our nation with cheap illegal fentanyl exports.

I think "the fentanyl crisis" is an active aggressive war on the Untied States conducted by China -- and everyone just acts like everything's normal. it is not normal. We are the victims of chemical warfare, and no one will speak of it openly.

Posted by: zombie at November 26, 2024 03:22 PM (pMi6S)

32 The Neely guy was alive for like 40 minutes after the cops got there. If I'm Penny's attorney I'm arguing that whatever the cops did/didn't do was what caused his death.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 26, 2024 03:22 PM (FxDm7)

33 Rakitin... Can he put the word "like" into his account more often. I don't think he has quite enough.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at November 26, 2024 03:22 PM (4XwPj)

34 Neely had enough fentanyl in him "to put down an elephant"

Was he helping the Haitians shop for food?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at November 26, 2024 03:22 PM (mGmwd)

35 Well, he was at least convicted, in absentia. Fled the country.
Posted by: Bulg at November 26, 2024 03:20 PM (v6JzV)

True but his support on the Left is unwavering.

Posted by: ... at November 26, 2024 03:22 PM (5iUPP)

36 Shoulda just shot him

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at November 26, 2024 03:23 PM (eHKNk)

37 First day of the trial I found out he was still breathing when the cops got there.

Posted by: steevy at November 26, 2024 03:23 PM (kW9uM)

38 Afternoon.

Truth seems to be on Penny's side.

Which means they're going to fuck him ten ways 'til Sunday.

Posted by: Robert at November 26, 2024 03:23 PM (LzdTs)

39 Barbee, a Brooklyn ~~resident~~ goombah with no prior arrests, was charged with third-degree assault.
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FIFY

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 26, 2024 03:23 PM (RIvkX)

40 7 Really it's the system of not housing mental patients that killed Neeley
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at November 26, 2024 03:15 PM (gDlxJ)

Yes, ultimately that is the cause.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 26, 2024 03:24 PM (Evo1G)

41 One of the most overlooked facts in this case is that even the prosecution -- IIRC -- admitted this junkie skell was still alive and breathing when the cops and paramedics arrived. He didn't die in Penny's hold.

I also think there's almost no dispute that Neely would still be alive if the cops or paras helped him. But they refused. Read that again. They. Refused. These are professional medical personnel, and they refused help.

I can't blame them. They saw a disgusting junkie skell and wanted no part of that. They worried he was diseased, or would puke on them, or whatever. They just said "nah."

How can Penny possibly be convicted of any kind of homicide when the alleged victim was still fucking alive when the paramedics arrived, and would still be fucking alive if the paras did their jobs?

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 26, 2024 03:24 PM (iFTx/)

42 Rakitin... Can he put the word "like" into his account more often. I don't think he has quite enough.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench)

Gads, I hate that.

Posted by: Bulg at November 26, 2024 03:24 PM (v6JzV)

43 With a name like Barbee I would be pp1ssed at the world.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 26, 2024 03:24 PM (4aTF4)

44
George Floyd was all strung out too and his health was bad. Any sort of severe physical exertion would have killed him. If he had run from the cops and managed to get winded he probably would have dropped dead.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 26, 2024 03:24 PM (+oR7L)

45 41 How can Penny possibly be convicted of any kind of homicide when the alleged victim was still fucking alive when the paramedics arrived, and would still be fucking alive if the paras did their jobs?
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 26, 2024 03:24 PM (iFTx/)

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By the state choosing to punish him because they've decided that his example will help it achieve its goals?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:25 PM (GBKbO)

46 Nobody gives a shit about me any more.

I used to be the King!

Posted by: hands up -- don't shoot at November 26, 2024 03:26 PM (hovnC)

47 Who called Penny "the white man"? The prosecutor or the judge? That is inexcusable. Trying to make it a racist crime when it obviously was not.

I haven't been following this case completely, but weren't some of the people riding on the train and who were frightened of Neely "non white" people.
But of course someone has to trot out the picture of "sweet entertainer" Neeley as well. Bah.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 26, 2024 03:26 PM (XpQHr)

48 Nobody gives a shit about me any more.

I used to be the King!
Posted by: hands up -- don't shoot

Pfft.
-- Trayvon

Posted by: Bulg at November 26, 2024 03:26 PM (v6JzV)

49 Dr. Cynthia Harris doesn’t have a strong grasp on logic…. If I take an overdose of fentanyl, I’m dying no matter what anyone else does. I’ve killed my self with a drug overdose…. If someone else struggles with me and I die 5-10 minutes sooner than I otherwise would have, the root cause of my death is still fentanyl. If I hadn’t taken the drug, the struggle would not have resulted in my death. This isn’t hard…. How’d she get a medical degree? DEI?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 26, 2024 03:26 PM (KhRIf)

50 8 Gonna be hilarious when Bragg wins re-election by 25 points.

NYC wants this.
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Then turn the electrics and water off and let them have good and hard. Fuck NY.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 26, 2024 03:26 PM (jFCkp)

51 The prosecutors repeatedly refer to him as " the white man" not accused, not defendant

Posted by: steevy at November 26, 2024 03:27 PM (kW9uM)

52 you know the old saying: if you can't do the time, do the crime in new york city

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 26, 2024 03:27 PM (CWTWj)

53 The attacker is eight years younger and looks significantly larger in the video. It takes a lot of social programming to look at a situation where the primary aggressor is larger, younger, struck first, and they're still the victim.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 26, 2024 03:27 PM (Odg76)

54
Kitty Genovese says "History will repeat itself".

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 26, 2024 03:27 PM (+oR7L)

55 I think the biggest problem the Defense has here (putting aside the jury pool) is that the video shows that Penny held the choke hold after Neely was clearly unconscious.

In other words, if he had released Neely 53 seconds earlier, I'd say Penny was 100% in the right here.

But I do think a reasonable jury could find that at some point in those 53 seconds it went from self defense to assault, and find him guilty of Manslaughter.

I do feel very bad for Penny though. I think he had good intentions and it feels unfair that a jury unpassionately judges him based on his actions during a highly stressful situation. But that is how our legal system works.

I also feel bad for Neely. Clearly the guy should have been in a mental hospital for the past 10+ years and not roaming the streets terrorizing people.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 26, 2024 03:27 PM (Evo1G)

56 51 The prosecutors repeatedly refer to him as " the white man" not accused, not defendant
Posted by: steevy at November 26, 2024 03:27 PM (kW9uM)

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Hey, remember when Hollywood made a movie about Emmett Till in the last couple of years?

Unrelated thought.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:27 PM (GBKbO)

57 No matter what he ain't getting off. He will face a guilty verdict, it is NYC and it has been pre ordained.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 26, 2024 03:28 PM (Rcnd3)

58 People with low IQ's, 80 or lower, have a hard time following simple directions, react with anger and lash out when they become confused and agitated and cannot comprehend the world around them with their limited intellect. This is why you see people with sub 80 IQs get violent in fast food restaurants, on mass transit and on airliners. They are simply confused and frightened and respond with violence.

Posted by: Frozen Caveman Lawyer at November 26, 2024 03:28 PM (Y5VD5)

59 The prosecutors repeatedly refer to him as " the white man" not accused, not defendant
Posted by: steevy at November 26, 2024 03:27 PM (kW9uM)

Hmm. I haven't seen much of this case but I predict that will backfire bigtime and I have a nose for this stuff.

Posted by: ... at November 26, 2024 03:29 PM (5iUPP)

60 as i recall, two black men helped the white guy restrain the misunderstood beloved michael jackson impersonator

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 26, 2024 03:29 PM (CWTWj)

61 Facts?!!! WE DON’T NEED NO STINKIN' FACTS!!!

- Woke Prosecutors and Experts

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 26, 2024 03:29 PM (L/fGl)

62 "I can't breathe"

I remember a story... think it was earlier this year, maybe year before.

Police were at a murder scene. Black dude nearby. Unsure if he was actually responsible for that murder, but seems likely.

What the shit-stain did was go into a nearby apartment and shoot a woman to death. Cold blood murder. And then comes out to the police, shouting "I Can't Breathe!". Not that they were putting him in a choke-hold or anything. Or touching his neck. Maybe even chanting it before they touched him at all.

And web searches are showing nothing about that mother****er. It's Saint Floyd Of Fentanyl, all searches, all the time.

Pretty sure the woman blown away was black, too. Probably why you can't find it on the internets.

Posted by: Another Anon at November 26, 2024 03:29 PM (QNMaY)

63 How can Penny possibly be convicted of any kind of homicide when the alleged victim was still fucking alive when the paramedics arrived, and would still be fucking alive if the paras did their jobs?

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 26, 2024 03:24 PM (iFTx/)

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Guilty of Being White in The First Degree.

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 26, 2024 03:29 PM (2VTmv)

64 Of course, the "I can't breathe" line that all of the criminals and thugs have memorized

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A few months ago I got hooked on CodeBlue Cam and channels like it for a few weeks. Seemed like one in three suspects would scream this out as soon as the cuffs went on, or as they were led to the police car, or if the officer looked at them funny.

Posted by: NJ Class Traitor at November 26, 2024 03:29 PM (XfoBK)

65 >>> 26 >Pathologist: It Wasn't the Chokehold That Killed Jordan Neely. It Was All of the Drugs He Was On.
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okay
suppose Neely never had the encounter with Penny
would he have died that day anyway
Posted by: Don Black at November 26, 2024 03:21 PM (/7KEl)

Suppose Penny hadn't been on the train but Neely still had been a jackass harassing and threatening people...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 26, 2024 03:29 PM (KcwUg)

66 re 59: "I have a nose for this stuff."

who knew that barbra streisand commented here

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 26, 2024 03:29 PM (CWTWj)

67 46 Nobody gives a shit about me any more.

I used to be the King!
Posted by: hands up -- don't shoot at November 26, 2024 03:26 PM (hovnC)

I shall never forget you, St. Michael of Swisher Sweets.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 26, 2024 03:30 PM (DTX3h)

68 Do hope Daniel gets off, but it's not a factual case it's another Cultural Marxism one

Posted by: Skip at November 26, 2024 03:30 PM (fwDg9)

69 Everyone has forgotten Rodney King

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 26, 2024 03:31 PM (4aTF4)

70 i can't breath i can't breath!
why not?
i got my eyes closed

slap

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 26, 2024 03:31 PM (CWTWj)

71 32 I think "the fentanyl crisis" is an active aggressive war on the Untied States conducted by China -- and everyone just acts like everything's normal. it is not normal. We are the victims of chemical warfare, and no one will speak of it openly.

Posted by: zombie at November 26, 2024 03:22 PM (pMi6S)

-- -- --

I've long thought that China is getting some ironic revenge for the Opium Wars.

The Chinese have resented the Brits and Americans for the opium trade for almost two centuries.

It's not just fentanyl, that K2 that ace mentioned, the chemicals/powder for that stuff is sent here from China via USPS, UPS, FedEx. The dealer here just has to spray/apply it to the herbs they used to make it look like weed, package it, and send it out the door.

That K2/Spice is like crack to the addicts. Gets them high for 5 minutes and then they're right back at it until they pass out.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at November 26, 2024 03:31 PM (6ydKt)

72 who knew that barbra streisand commented here
Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 26, 2024 03:29 PM (CWTWj)

What kind of fool

Posted by: ... at November 26, 2024 03:31 PM (5iUPP)

73 re 69: pepperidge farm remembers

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 26, 2024 03:31 PM (CWTWj)

74 69 Everyone has forgotten Rodney King
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 26, 2024 03:31 PM (4aTF4)

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I got along with him fine.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:31 PM (GBKbO)

75 No matter what he ain't getting off. He will face a guilty verdict, it is NYC and it has been pre ordained.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 26, 2024 03:28 PM (Rcnd3)

I’m afraid that’s what I think. Fair trial for Penny in NYC is an impossibility. As soon as Bragg decided to bring charges a guilty verdict was inevitable

I hope NYC doesn’t have a Good Samaritan law a la Seinfeld finale

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 26, 2024 03:31 PM (KhRIf)

76 >>> 31 "Neely had enough fentanyl in him "to put down an elephant".

So, about 3 micrograms?

Trump needs to boost the CHina tariff to 50% until they stop destroying our nation with cheap illegal fentanyl exports.

I think "the fentanyl crisis" is an active aggressive war on the United States conducted by China -- and everyone just acts like everything's normal. it is not normal. We are the victims of chemical warfare, and no one will speak of it openly.
Posted by: zombie at November 26, 2024 03:22 PM (pMi6S)

I would hope OrangeManBad, and maybe even Bobby the Dead Bear Whisperer, will start on that.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 26, 2024 03:31 PM (KcwUg)

77 It's going to be close. Penny isn't charged with murder. Hes charged with 2nd degree manslaughter and negligent homicide. It's going to be difficult to argue he had nothing to do with the death, even if his motives were pure (which i kinda think they were)

Posted by: Wally at November 26, 2024 03:31 PM (mjoFW)

78 Pathologist: It Wasn't the Chokehold That Killed Jordan Neely. It Was All of the Drugs He Was On.
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Well, since he was a cuckold, perhaps the drugs were a rational response. I know I am into drugs a lot more than I used to be.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at November 26, 2024 03:32 PM (d68XO)

79 I shall never forget you, St. Michael of Swisher Sweets.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 26, 2024 03:30 PM (DTX3h)

*Raised fist salute* Rest in Power, King. The OG fake victim.

Posted by: NJ Class Traitor at November 26, 2024 03:32 PM (XfoBK)

80 I watched the Alexander Rakitin video. Good for the nebbish guy beating up the bully. But I saw at least three big no-noes in the video:

1. You never sit in the seat that Rakitin did unless the subway is empty. If you sit there, you are sitting practically on top of the seat that 90 degrees to your left. There's no way you're not gonna make physical contact with a guy sitting in that seat, which is where the bully was.

2. Rakitin actually engages the skell with conversation and logic. He keeps at it, as the skell gets more and more agitated. You do that only if you're planning for a fight. If you don't want to fight, you ignore the guy and just stare at the floor.

3. Strike first, strike hard, no mercy. Admittedly this is much harder to do in today's world of Soros prosecutors. But it seemed to me the skell was already being very threatening before he threw that (shitty) punch. Rakitin waited to long to engage.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 26, 2024 03:33 PM (iFTx/)

81 who knew that barbra streisand commented here
Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 26, 2024 03:29 PM (CWTWj)

Everyone comments here.

One way or the other.

Posted by: Just Lily at November 26, 2024 03:33 PM (wm8sT)

82 Pro Tip:
Stay the fuck away from New York City.

Posted by: wth at November 26, 2024 03:33 PM (v0R5T)

83 as i recall, two black men helped the white guy restrain the misunderstood beloved michael jackson impersonator
Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 26, 2024 03:29 PM (CWTWj)

I believe one of those black men subtly changed his initial story and testified for the prosecution against Penny saying something like; I told Penny he should let go well before he did…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 26, 2024 03:34 PM (KhRIf)

84 The only way this works is if the Subway has designated color cars.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 26, 2024 03:34 PM (jFCkp)

85 Twasn't the airplanes that killed the beast. It was beauty.

I mean falling off the Empire State Building probably didn't help, but yeah twas beauty.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 26, 2024 03:34 PM (lhenN)

86 "To be honest, like everybody sees the way the city is -- it's not like it's changing. I already saw that the city is like this, that you're in a constant danger of aggression or violent crime," he said.

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When you come to that realization it's time to make plans to move out. That place is no longer good for residents or visitors.

Posted by: Decaf at November 26, 2024 03:34 PM (unUNN)

87 85 Twasn't the airplanes that killed the beast. It was beauty.

I mean falling off the Empire State Building probably didn't help, but yeah twas beauty.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 26, 2024 03:34 PM (lhenN)

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If Kong hadn't been so enamored with the blonde, he wouldn't have fallen prey to the trappers in the first place!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:34 PM (GBKbO)

88 Wake the F up New Yorkers. This is not normal. Your city doesn't have to be like this. Stop voting for DA's like Alvin Bragg and get rid of your governor. Start voting Republican and everything will be much better.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 26, 2024 03:35 PM (NpAcC)

89 I was born in New York City. On a Monday.

Posted by: ... at November 26, 2024 03:35 PM (5iUPP)

90 88 Wake the F up New Yorkers. This is not normal. Your city doesn't have to be like this. Stop voting for DA's like Alvin Bragg and get rid of your governor. Start voting Republican and everything will be much better.
Posted by: redridinghood at November 26, 2024 03:35 PM (NpAcC)

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Nah. They should keep doing this.

Hopefully, NYC will contract to such a degree that it stops being some kind of important part of America as a whole.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:35 PM (GBKbO)

91 Giuliani is not coming to save you. He has been broken. Your Democrat friends saw to that.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at November 26, 2024 03:36 PM (wBaIH)

92 If you give water to someone who can't breathe I'm not sure that's a good idea.

Oh you can't get air? Here let me waterboard you.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 26, 2024 03:36 PM (f94gY)

93 > A few months ago I got hooked on CodeBlue Cam and channels like it for a few weeks. Seemed like one in three suspects would scream this out as soon as the cuffs went on, or as they were led to the police car, or if the officer looked at them funny.

Plenty also will ignore orders, passively resist, and actively resist all while screaming they're terrified the cops will assassinate them.

I can't think of more than a couple of videos where the suspect was being compliant and the cops shot them. The guy who was forced to crawl to the cops and who got shot when he tried to pull up his pants is the only one that immediately comes to mind.

In contrast, there are literally hundreds of videos of suspects charging cops, fighting cops, aiming guns at cops, shooting at cops, etc. where they get shot. That's far more likely.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 26, 2024 03:36 PM (Odg76)

94 "I think "the fentanyl crisis" is an active aggressive war on the Untied States conducted by China -- and everyone just acts like everything's normal. it is not normal. We are the victims of chemical warfare, and no one will speak of it openly."

My Dad said the same thing about electric start motorcycles from Japan back in the day.

He hated the Japs.

Posted by: pawn at November 26, 2024 03:36 PM (QB+5g)

95 There was a reddit post from 9 years prior complaining about how aggressive he was, by a regular subway commuter.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 26, 2024 03:37 PM (lhenN)

96 Forward Dog 9 hitting the long road
See you out there

Posted by: Skip at November 26, 2024 03:37 PM (fwDg9)

97 Dr. Harris, let's say the amount of fentanyl was more than enough to kill an elephant and almost enough to kill Whoopi Goldberg. Are you still saying that's not relevant?

Posted by: Daniel Penny's attorney at November 26, 2024 03:37 PM (mjoFW)

98 My Dad said the same thing about electric start motorcycles from Japan back in the day.

He hated the Japs
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Mine, too. After three years of nearly being killed by them might have something to do with his feelings towards them.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 26, 2024 03:38 PM (jFCkp)

99 Pathologist: It Wasn't the Chokehold That Killed Jordan Neely. It Was All of the Drugs He Was On.
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Well, since he was a cuckold, perhaps the drugs were a rational response. I know I am into drugs a lot more than I used to be.
Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at November 26, 2024 03:32 PM (d68XO)
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oh wait...chokehold not cuckold!

Well, that is embarrassing. Sorry, have a lot on my mind.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at November 26, 2024 03:38 PM (d68XO)

100 I wonder how much money this sham trial is costing Daniel Penny?
I feel so bad for him. All he was doing was trying to help and look what he gets for it.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 26, 2024 03:38 PM (NpAcC)

101 The lesson here is, 'stay out of it'

Posted by: Don Black at November 26, 2024 03:38 PM (/7KEl)

102 If Kong hadn't been so enamored with the blonde, he wouldn't have fallen prey to the trappers in the first place!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

Ace says we have to take the victim as we find him.

The blonde is guilty.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 26, 2024 03:39 PM (yyo0D)

103 Unfortunately while on a subway, you can't stay out of it. You are trapped with the problem.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 26, 2024 03:39 PM (4aTF4)

104 New York subway system will resemble the one in "Predator 2" but without invisible aliens.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 26, 2024 03:39 PM (WPL6O)

105 101 The lesson here is, 'stay out of it'
Posted by: Don Black at November 26, 2024 03:38 PM (/7KEl)

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"Damn right!"
-white feminist

"Why didn't that man help defend me against the crazy guy on the subway?!"
-same white feminist

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:39 PM (GBKbO)

106 Ok so the $9 congestion fee is just for Manhattan

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at November 26, 2024 03:40 PM (U81Si)

107 I wonder how much money this sham trial is costing Daniel Penny?

Posted by: redridinghood at November 26, 2024 03:38 PM (NpAcC)

Everything. It's costing him everything.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 26, 2024 03:40 PM (aYubz)

108 What do you mean "will resemble"???

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 26, 2024 03:40 PM (4aTF4)

109 102 Ace says we have to take the victim as we find him.

The blonde is guilty.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 26, 2024 03:39 PM (yyo0D)

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Let's put it out there, running around a tropical island full of dinosaurs and giant apes in nothing but a negligee was a bad choice.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:40 PM (GBKbO)

110 Wake the F up New Yorkers. This is not normal. Your city doesn't have to be like this. Stop voting for DA's like Alvin Bragg and get rid of your governor. Start voting Republican and everything will be much better.
Posted by: redridinghood at November 26, 2024 03:35 PM (NpAcC)

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Nah. They should keep doing this.

Hopefully, NYC will contract to such a degree that it stops being some kind of important part of America as a whole.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:35 PM (GBKbO)
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The city is expanding both in terms of population and actual physical area. Tens of millions of people like big cities and continue to flock there. It doesn't matter what commenters here think.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 26, 2024 03:40 PM (iFTx/)

111 The lesson here is, 'stay out of it'

Posted by: Don Black at November 26, 2024 03:38 PM (/7KEl)

Why won't men protect women anymore?

- Lefty women who don't realize that criminalizing something ensures you get less of it.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 26, 2024 03:41 PM (aYubz)

112 TJM

You forgot the giant spider.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 26, 2024 03:41 PM (4aTF4)

113 110 The city is expanding both in terms of population and actual physical area. Tens of millions of people like big cities and continue to flock there. It doesn't matter what commenters here think.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 26, 2024 03:40 PM (iFTx/)

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While the state loses population proportionally as a whole and representation in the federal government.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:41 PM (GBKbO)

114 Sefton and I talked on our podcast about the undeniable fact that NYC is in the sh*tter. And that congestion fee is a f*cking knife in the heart of businesses in midtown Manhattan.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 26, 2024 03:41 PM (d9fT1)

115 The city is expanding both in terms of population and actual physical area. Tens of millions of people like big cities and continue to flock there. It doesn't matter what commenters here think.
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Which is to say it will become an Asian city.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 26, 2024 03:42 PM (jFCkp)

116 I don't think either of your Dads would be impressed by the Japanese today.

Unless they were into Pachinko, Pokemon, Anime, Video Games and sushi.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at November 26, 2024 03:42 PM (6ydKt)

117 Unfortunately while on a subway, you can't stay out of it. You are trapped with the problem.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 26, 2024 03:39 PM (4aTF4)

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Make Bernhard Goetz's Great Again!

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 26, 2024 03:42 PM (2VTmv)

118 Alvin Bragg should be dropped into a woodchipper

Industrial strength, I doubt any consumer grade woodchipper would be powerful enough to process his behemoth fat fucking ass

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Certified Cranberry Sauce and Keto Stuffing Cook at November 26, 2024 03:42 PM (M7vhK)

119 Ace says we have to take the victim as we find him.

The blonde is guilty.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 26, 2024 03:39 PM (yyo0D)

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Let's put it out there, running around a tropical island full of dinosaurs and giant apes in nothing but a negligee was a bad choice.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:40 PM (GBKbO)

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Well, in fairness, didn't the natives strip her down for the sacrifice?

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 26, 2024 03:42 PM (iFTx/)

120 >>Sefton and I talked on our podcast about the undeniable fact that NYC is in the sh*tter. And that congestion fee is a f*cking knife in the heart of businesses in midtown Manhattan.

Having to go into Manhattan is penalty enough.

Posted by: garrett at November 26, 2024 03:42 PM (z/jjr)

121 in case anyone is interested: 2021 manhattan d.a. election results (hope it formats right):

Candidate Alvin Bragg Thomas Kenniff
Party Democratic Republican
Popular vote 211,686 41,211
Percentage 83.6% 16.3%

Posted by: gnats local 678 at November 26, 2024 03:43 PM (CWTWj)

122 I read the Haitians are leaving Springfield for sanctuary in New York City and Chicago. Because the lettuce picking there is so good.

Posted by: wth at November 26, 2024 03:43 PM (v0R5T)

123 Alleged 60 day cease fire agreement between Lebanon, Israel and Hezbollah. It ends just after Trump takes office. Or until Hezbollah doesn't feel bound by it, which will probably be Friday

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 26, 2024 03:43 PM (FxDm7)

124 I don't understand hiw paramedics are allowed not to help?

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at November 26, 2024 03:43 PM (6U1c2)

125 109 Let's put it out there, running around a tropical island full of dinosaurs and giant apes in nothing but a negligee was a bad choice.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:40 PM (GBKbO)

-- --

I, for one, appreciated her daring fashion sense.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at November 26, 2024 03:43 PM (6ydKt)

126 >>> 102 If Kong hadn't been so enamored with the blonde, he wouldn't have fallen prey to the trappers in the first place!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

Ace says we have to take the victim as we find him.

The blonde is guilty.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 26, 2024 03:39 PM (yyo0D)

Well, he said it's a (current?) principle of law, but to paraphrase Samuel L Jackson, that's a stupid ass principle.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 26, 2024 03:43 PM (KcwUg)

127 119 Well, in fairness, didn't the natives strip her down for the sacrifice?
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 26, 2024 03:42 PM (iFTx/)

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That's just their culture, and not submitting to it was imperialism.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:43 PM (GBKbO)

128 Is anyone going to bravely take a trip to Costco in the next couple of days?

Posted by: bonhomme at November 26, 2024 03:43 PM (Odg76)

129 Ok so the $9 congestion fee is just for Manhattan

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at November 26, 2024 03:40 PM (U81Si)

Yes. South of 60th St. That means below Central Park. All of commercial 5th Ave, Times Square, the Theater District...you name it, and it's going to get wacked by the fee.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 26, 2024 03:43 PM (d9fT1)

130 Let's put it out there, running around a tropical island full of dinosaurs and giant apes in nothing but a negligee was a bad choice.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

OTOH, if survival depends on doing a slapstick juggling routine in a negligee, she was practically prescient.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 26, 2024 03:44 PM (yyo0D)

131 130 OTOH, if survival depends on doing a slapstick juggling routine in a negligee, she was practically prescient.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 26, 2024 03:44 PM (yyo0D)

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Vaudeville was just in her blood.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:44 PM (GBKbO)

132 What do you expect. The quality of the salsa manufactured in New York City has always been laughable.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 26, 2024 03:45 PM (JsD5q)

133 Having to go into Manhattan is penalty enough.

Posted by: garrett at November 26, 2024 03:42 PM (z/jjr)

10 years ago I would have called you an effete Mountain West poofta for saying that.

Today? Yeah...you are correct.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 26, 2024 03:45 PM (d9fT1)

134 I think if you're white or extra white (Asian) you should not ride the subway in NYC

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at November 26, 2024 03:45 PM (gDlxJ)

135 At the bottom of Vic's Tribute page there is a picture of him as a young man with his new car. It took me a while to figure out what the car was, but I finally traced it down to a 1971 Ford Maverick Grabber 2 door with the V-8 engine. Note also the revolver on his hip.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 26, 2024 03:45 PM (Da7Vv)

136 133 10 years ago I would have called you an effete Mountain West poofta for saying that.

Today? Yeah...you are correct.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 26, 2024 03:45 PM (d9fT1)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNpoplfLT1w

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:45 PM (GBKbO)

137 It vaguely reminds me of a 1st year torts (maybe crim law) hypothetical: someone falls off a 20-story building and on the way down, someone randomly shoots out a window and happens to hit him with a mortal, but not instantaneously mortal, wound.

Posted by: LASue at November 26, 2024 03:45 PM (lCppi)

138 =======

That's just their culture, and not submitting to it was imperialism.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:43 PM (GBKbO)

"Man, those Samoans are a surly bunch."

- Margaret Mead (maybe)

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 26, 2024 03:45 PM (LxER7)

139 We all know their would be no trial if the "victim" had been white and the perpetrator of color

Posted by: It's me donna at November 26, 2024 03:46 PM (IyPmt)

140 So Ace, given you live in a city that is saturated in violent crime, what do you do to avoid the consequences of living there?

What are the big no no's?

I know about not making eye contact but maybe you have some special ninja knowledge you can put to us.

Posted by: pawn at November 26, 2024 03:46 PM (QB+5g)

141 >>We all know their would be no trial if the "victim" had been white and the perpetrator of color

3 Men restrained the guy.

Only the White Man was charged.

Posted by: garrett at November 26, 2024 03:46 PM (z/jjr)

142 Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Dafna Yoran tried to paint him as a less than discerning hired gun who performed far too many autopsies and earned loads of money for his services. She pointed out that he is regularly hired by defense attorneys to refute the prosecution. (He said it was about 60 percent of the cases he took on).

Wouldn't that make the county coroner a "hired gun" by the county with a vested interest in the DA's outcome?

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 26, 2024 03:46 PM (X4/Jm)

143 Possible hit, since I went OCD on finding out who this monster was.

"Keith Moses", 2023, Florida. shot someone. Came back a few hours later, then shot a few more, with the mother not surviving. And had the unmitigated gall to shout that phrase. Three dead total, including a news anchor.

My blood boiled when the story first popped up. Still does. The only consolation is that the death penalty was being sought, and the judge ruled him mentally competent to stand trail. No word on the verdict, though.

Posted by: Another Anon at November 26, 2024 03:47 PM (QNMaY)

144 >>I know about not making eye contact but maybe you have some special ninja knowledge you can put to us.

Wearing the Skins of your Hobo Victims works.

Posted by: garrett at November 26, 2024 03:47 PM (z/jjr)

145 And for the purposes of Workers Comp , you also take your employees as they come.

If you hired a guy with multiple back surgeries and he ‘hurts’ his back bending down to retrieve a dropped bucket, the employer is on the hook for a WC injury. But most states give relief to the employer with Second Injury Funds because they know many employers wouldn’t hire people with pre-existing injuries.

It’s only logical the state should take into account the condition of the injured /deceased when charging the defendant.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 26, 2024 03:47 PM (D6PGr)

146 The city is expanding both in terms of population and actual physical area. Tens of millions of people like big cities and continue to flock there. It doesn't matter what commenters here think.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 26, 2024 03:40 PM (iFTx/)

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While the state loses population proportionally as a whole and representation in the federal government.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 03:41 PM (GBKbO)
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Maybe, but it's the rural upstate and outside NYC that's losing population. And it's actually very nice in upstate NY. But it's still losing people to the city.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 26, 2024 03:47 PM (iFTx/)

147 Doesn’t Alvin Bragg get chauffeured (so) as part of his job and have police protection? It’s not as if he has to worry about being attacked on the train. Thank goodness some Soros financed prosecutors have been booted out by the voters. More need to go.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 26, 2024 03:47 PM (EBPnT)

148 “I can’t breathe.”

Let me guess - this person was a reverend.

Posted by: Supreme Gentleman at November 26, 2024 03:47 PM (xSTgL)

149 137 137 It vaguely reminds me of a 1st year torts (maybe crim law) hypothetical: someone falls off a 20-story building and on the way down, someone randomly shoots out a window and happens to hit him with a mortal, but not instantaneously mortal, wound.

-- --

Just charge him with firing a weapon in public and desecrating a corpse and be done with it.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at November 26, 2024 03:47 PM (6ydKt)

150 >>> 124 I don't understand how paramedics are allowed not to help?

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at November 26, 2024 03:43 PM (6U1c2)

Depends on if the cops decide the situation is "safe". See, for example, that guy in Tucson who iirc bled out because the roid-rage team who shot up his and his neighbors houses refused to let the EMTs anywhere near him for an hour or so even though they had him cuffed and lying face down.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 26, 2024 03:48 PM (KcwUg)

151 Wearing the Skins of your Hobo Victims works.
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Snort. I think shrunken heads are moar effective.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 26, 2024 03:48 PM (jFCkp)

152 Now do Derek Chauvin.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 26, 2024 03:48 PM (i24o9)

153 Now playing Downtown. By somebody in the 60s.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at November 26, 2024 03:48 PM (XlxiJ)

154 3 Men restrained the guy.

Only the White Man was charged.
Posted by: garrett a

...

He was the only racially motivated one.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 26, 2024 03:48 PM (yyo0D)

155 >>Wouldn't that make the county coroner a "hired gun" by the county with a vested interest in the DA's outcome?

Their expertise is assumed.

The Defense Experts needs to assert an actual catalog of qualifications.

Posted by: garrett at November 26, 2024 03:48 PM (z/jjr)

156 3 Men restrained the guy.

Only the White Man was charged.
Posted by: garrett at November 26, 2024 03:46 PM (z/jjr)

And one of the three lied his ass off.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 26, 2024 03:48 PM (D6PGr)

157 I thought a straphanger was someone standing and holding on to an overhead strap, not someone sitting down.

Posted by: Ciampino - Talking of straps at November 26, 2024 03:49 PM (i0xsb)

158 Their expertise is assumed.

The Defense Experts needs to assert an actual catalog of qualifications.
Posted by: garrett at November 26, 2024 03:48 PM (z/jjr)

Reminded me of the best part of My Cousin Vinny.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 26, 2024 03:49 PM (D6PGr)

159 OT, but Jim Abrahams, of Zucker-Abrahams-Zucker, passed away at 80.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 26, 2024 03:49 PM (WPL6O)

160 Reminded me of the best part of My Cousin Vinny.
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That movie is funny.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 26, 2024 03:50 PM (jFCkp)

161 Their verbal exchange quieted for a moment while they continued to stare each other down, before Barbee said, "I ain't got time to go to jail today."
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Let me guess: was Barbee ... uh ... diverse?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 26, 2024 03:50 PM (YqDXo)

162 I haven't followed these trials much. I really enjoyed the live courtroom analysis of the Heard/Depp trial and the Rittenhouse trials, but I think Nick Rekieta may have some personal issues to resolve before doing another major livestreamathon.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 26, 2024 03:50 PM (JCZqz)

163 At the bottom of Vic's Tribute page there is a picture of him as a young man with his new car. It took me a while to figure out what the car was, but I finally traced it down to a 1971 Ford Maverick Grabber 2 door with the V-8 engine. Note also the revolver on his hip.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 26, 2024

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Ford offered the Grabber model with the 302 V-8 that early? I thought the Grabber was only available from about '73 or '74 onward.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 26, 2024 03:50 PM (J2vNu)

164 Just like St. Floyd, it was the drugs

Posted by: It's me donna at November 26, 2024 03:50 PM (IyPmt)

165 She pointed out that he is regularly hired by defense attorneys to refute the prosecution

...

Says the lady paid to always find people guilty.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 26, 2024 03:51 PM (yyo0D)

166 okay
suppose Neely never had the encounter with Penny
would he have died that day anyway
Posted by: Don Black
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Yeah, I'd like to see the full testimony. He probably conceded that the chokehold was a cause, but did not rise to the level of a substantial factor or whatever the causation standard is here.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at November 26, 2024 03:51 PM (Dm8we)

167 Their verbal exchange quieted for a moment while they continued to stare each other down, before Barbee said, "I ain't got time to go to jail today."
_____________

Let me guess: was Barbee ... uh ... diverse?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
......

Oddly familiar looking?

Posted by: wth at November 26, 2024 03:51 PM (v0R5T)

168
OT, but Jim Abrahams, of Zucker-Abrahams-Zucker, passed away at 80.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 26, 2024 03:49 PM

another grim milestone for the biden-harris administration

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 26, 2024 03:51 PM (tljrc)

169 I think this is the world building for Batman and Repairman Jack.

Posted by: Kindltot+ (now with streaming!) at November 26, 2024 03:51 PM (D7oie)

170 I randomly started watching a fun little Netflix show called, "Delicious in Dungeon." It's an anime that starts off with a D&D style party with a thief, knight, mage, etc and they're in a battle with a dragon. They lose spectacularly, mostly because they're hungry and tired, and their mage manages to magic most of the party out, but most of their gear and treasure stays in the dungeon.

One member of their party is trapped in the belly of the dragon, slowly being digested. The remaining members of the party want to rescue her, but they can't afford to mount a rescue party.

So one of their party members comes up with the radical idea of eating some of what they kill to save money, eat well, and save themselves from having to carry so much weight.

I've watched several episodes. The party has fun D&D dungeon adventures, killing monsters, and making delicious meals from them. It's clever writing and very enjoyable.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 26, 2024 03:53 PM (Odg76)

171 Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Dafna Yoran tried to paint him as a less than discerning hired gun who performed far too many autopsies and earned loads of money for his services. She pointed out that he is regularly hired by defense attorneys to refute the prosecution. (He said it was about 60 percent of the cases he took on).
_____________________

Sixty percent of the cases he's working for the defense? That makes him a gun hired to refute the prosecution?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 26, 2024 03:54 PM (YqDXo)

172 I’ve reached a conclusion, NYC is a damn fine city for me to stay the hell out of.

Posted by: Eromero at November 26, 2024 03:54 PM (FuCE/)

173 okay
suppose Neely never had the encounter with Penny
would he have died that day anyway
Posted by: Don Black
___________

Yes if he caused himself to be in the same type stressed and exertion situation he was in with Penny. A fist fight , trying to stab someone who fought back , a piano pinning him to the ground, a roller coaster ride, etc.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 26, 2024 03:54 PM (D6PGr)

174 > I thought a straphanger was someone standing and holding on to an overhead strap, not someone sitting down.

It's anyone who rides the subway frequently.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 26, 2024 03:55 PM (Odg76)

175 suppose Neely never had the encounter with Penny
would he have died that day anyway
Posted by: Don Black
________________

Yeah, I tried that. Didn't work. - Derek Chauvin

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 26, 2024 03:55 PM (YqDXo)

176 What Makes Hospitals So Deadly and How Can We Fix It?
https://shorturl.at/mW170
substack - A Midwestern Doctor

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 26, 2024 03:55 PM (KcwUg)

177 NYC's population is down a lot in just a few years. A quick search gets the numbers:

2024 population 8m (estimated)
2023 population 8.258M
2020 population 8.773M

Posted by: Ann at November 26, 2024 03:56 PM (4neFu)

178 The sad part is, what really matters will be how many white people are on this jury.

Case should have never gone to trial.

Posted by: Leupold at November 26, 2024 03:56 PM (4pwAx)

179 Now with Trump again, we can maybe see some real hero he-man movie.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at November 26, 2024 03:56 PM (XlxiJ)

180 I thought a straphanger was someone standing and holding on to an overhead strap, not someone sitting down.

Posted by: Ciampino - Talking of straps at November 26, 2024 03:49 PM (i0xsb)

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Same.

And my understanding is that the FBI refers to them as "nooses" now ..

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 26, 2024 03:56 PM (2VTmv)

181 And George Floyd didn't die from being put in a MPLS PD prescribed restraint position. For all the good that did Derek Chauvin's defense.

Posted by: Steven Fletcher at November 26, 2024 03:56 PM (HY6NV)

182 What Makes Hospitals So Deadly and How Can We Fix It?

Take off and nuke it from orbit.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 26, 2024 03:57 PM (X4/Jm)

183 The Defense Experts needs to assert an actual catalog of qualifications.

Posted by: garrett at November 26, 2024 03:48 PM (z/jjr)
_________________

The side calling an expert witness will routinely lead him through his qualifications on direct examination.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 26, 2024 03:57 PM (YqDXo)

184 Movie thread time.

Highly recommend the 60’s movie The Incident with Beau Bridges .

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 26, 2024 03:58 PM (D6PGr)

185 Ford offered the Grabber model with the 302 V-8 that early? I thought the Grabber was only available from about '73 or '74 onward.

The 302 was introduced to the Grabber half way through the 1970 model year according to the Ford documentation.

Ace, you might want to add Vic to the missing friends list. He passed away just before the election.

https://tinyurl.com/4j9a69fa

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 26, 2024 03:58 PM (Da7Vv)

186 Hey, good news! The FBI finally arrested the pipe bomber from Jan 6!

**off stage whispers**

Never mind, it's some other pipe bomber.

Posted by: Christopher Wray at November 26, 2024 03:58 PM (eHKNk)

187 The guy who taught Harryhausen was the King Kong animator. He completed the main work so far ahead of schedule that he started on dinosaurs etcetera. Peter Jackson later was also excessive so as to avoid laying off animators.

Of course, a 50-foot gorilla is just a minor attraction on an island full of dinosaurs.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 26, 2024 03:58 PM (lhenN)

188 Eh he's got blonde hair, is male and a veteran... good enough life in Dannemora....

Posted by: tubal at November 26, 2024 03:59 PM (PCK5/)

189 We all know their would be no trial if the "victim" had been white and the perpetrator of color

Posted by: It's me donna at November 26, 2024 03:46 PM (IyPmt)
__________________

Of course.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 26, 2024 03:59 PM (YqDXo)

190 The Manhattan DA should know better than to cross swords with someone who probably has more courtroom experience than they do.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at November 26, 2024 04:00 PM (tT6L1)

191 "Case should have never gone to trial."

No travesty here is that if Penny had been black, it never would have.

Posted by: pawn at November 26, 2024 04:00 PM (QB+5g)

192 Hey, good news! The FBI finally arrested the pipe bomber from Jan 6!

**off stage whispers**

Never mind, it's some other pipe bomber.

The UK just released a bomber that killed 22 people in 2017. His probation officer and his prison psychologist are both warning he's a serious danger to the public.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 26, 2024 04:01 PM (Odg76)

193 Boy, this sure makes me mad. For fans of the George C. Scott 'A Christmas Carol,' some POS smashed his fictional Ebenezer Scrooge tombstone to bits in Shrewsbury, England.

https://tinyurl.com/369zn56c

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 26, 2024 04:01 PM (qBdHI)

194 The beautiful and charming Joy Reid.

https://is.gd/kz7xF8

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 26, 2024 04:01 PM (L/fGl)

195 We all know their would be no trial if the "victim" had been white and the perpetrator of color

Posted by: It's me donna at November 26, 2024 03:46 PM (IyPmt)
________________

As I said the other day, imagine the howling if a white cop had shot and killed an unarmed black woman on J6.

Instead, the perp got a promotion and a bonus.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 26, 2024 04:01 PM (YqDXo)

196 Ace, you might want to add Vic to the missing friends list. He passed away just before the election.
https://tinyurl.com/4j9a69fa
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president

Vic'd daughter posted on his memorial page ....

He enjoyed AOS. He talked about it all the time. Y’all were like family to him.

Angie - October 23 at 10:32 PM

Posted by: old chick at November 26, 2024 04:02 PM (F3Dlr)

197 A note: The doctrine of "you take your victim as you find him" applies to intentional torts and crimes. For example, an unjustified assault.

But this is about a supposedly negligent or reckless exercise of a justified right to self defense (even if one exercised on behalf of others). Not sucker punching a guy.

If a person acts reasonably, given what they know of the circumstances, they've acted reasonably. And have committed no crime or tort, whether or not a person harmed had an "egghshell skull" or anything else.

Posted by: KLA at November 26, 2024 04:02 PM (5bQMg)

198 Now with Trump again, we can maybe see some real hero he-man movie.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at November 26, 2024 03:56 PM (XlxiJ)

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[Headline from "The Guardian" in March of 2016:]

"America’s need for superheroes has led to the rise of Donald Trump" by Annika Hagley

"US national culture too often celebrates the swift, brutal justice embodied in the comic-book ideal, leaving a country divided and cinematic heroes at each other’s throats"

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 26, 2024 04:02 PM (2VTmv)

199 Setting aside cynicism, usually juries are pretty skeptical of punishing people in these situations when it's not a cop and just a civilian.

I have to think at least one jury member living in NYC has experienced an aggressive homeless person and has been scared for their safety.

Posted by: Leupold at November 26, 2024 04:02 PM (4pwAx)

200 The UK just released a bomber that killed 22 people in 2017. His probation officer and his prison psychologist are both warning he's a serious danger to the public.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 26, 2024 04:01 PM (Odg76)
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Well, at least he didn't publish something unkind on social(ist) media. THEN they'd have thrown the book at him.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 26, 2024 04:03 PM (YqDXo)

201 Stoned love
Stoned love, oh, yeah
A love for each other will bring fighting to an end
Forgiving one another, time after time doubt creeps in
But like the sun lights up the sky with a message from above
Oh yeah, I find no other greater symbol of love
Yeah, don't you hear the wind blowing? Ooh-ooh
Stoned love, oh, yeah
I tell you I ain't got no other, ooh-ooh
Stoned love, oh, yeah...

Posted by: The Supremes at November 26, 2024 04:03 PM (Y5VD5)

202 "Man, those Samoans are a surly bunch."
- Margaret Mead (maybe)
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher

Isn't Tulsi Gabbard 1/2 Samoan?

Posted by: SFGoth at November 26, 2024 04:03 PM (KAi1n)

203 What makes hospitals so deadly? How much time you got? Shall we discuss the lack of vaccination among the third world denizens who currently crowd ER's across the nation? The lack of hygiene of said third world citizens?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at November 26, 2024 04:03 PM (tT6L1)

204 Those laws will keep whites away from all other races..

We should pay heroes money and buy some sex for them.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at November 26, 2024 04:03 PM (XlxiJ)

205 This whole thing is like an episode of Law & Order after it got all preachy and the white guy was always guilty.

Posted by: brak at November 26, 2024 04:03 PM (NGHTx)

206 I can't breathe!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 26, 2024 04:04 PM (XeU6L)

207 "America’s need for superheroes has led to the rise of Donald Trump" by Annika Hagley
_____________

Another twat heard from.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 26, 2024 04:04 PM (YqDXo)

208 Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 26, 2024 03:33 PM (iFTx/)

Oh, agreed 100%.

Also those end seats on the R46's are where the homeless people like to post up overnight.

I'd rather stand.

Also, when someone talks to me in the subway I do the "sorry" hand motion, look away and never engage in conversation.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 26, 2024 04:04 PM (Evo1G)

209 I used to think "Dude, what keeps you from moving" when I read statements like Ratikins'. But after many years of feeling like "I cant move because work and parents" I could move tomorrow, employer put in a WFH program and continued it after the covid hysteria and both parents have passed away now. But I've not yet summoned up some pioneer spirit and called a realtor.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 26, 2024 04:04 PM (UKUm3)

210 Isn't Tulsi Gabbard 1/2 Samoan?

Close. She's half smokin'.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 26, 2024 04:04 PM (xCA6C)

211 The UK just released a bomber that killed 22 people in 2017. His probation officer and his prison psychologist are both warning he's a serious danger to the public.
Posted by: bonhomme

No, Mad Bomber! Bad!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 26, 2024 04:05 PM (L/fGl)

212 Well, at least he didn't publish something unkind on social(ist) media. THEN they'd have thrown the book at him.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 26, 2024 04:03 PM (YqDXo)
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Jails are overcrowded so Britain is releasing actual violent criminals and incarcerating people for wrongthink.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at November 26, 2024 04:05 PM (tT6L1)

213 The UK just released a bomber that killed 22 people in 2017. His probation officer and his prison psychologist are both warning he's a serious danger to the public.

Posted by: bonhomme
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He just got in with the 'wrong crowd'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 26, 2024 04:05 PM (XeU6L)

214 116 I don't blame vets of the Pacific theater for resenting Japan. But today they are our best ally, and Made in Japan is the mark of quality for autos, electronics and steel.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at November 26, 2024 04:05 PM (wBaIH)

215 Setting aside cynicism, usually juries are pretty skeptical of punishing people in these situations when it's not a cop and just a civilian.

I have to think at least one jury member living in NYC has experienced an aggressive homeless person and has been scared for their safety.
Posted by: Leupold at November 26, 2024 04:02 PM (4pwAx)

If we assume the jury is full of normal people, I think it will all come down to whether or not they think it was reasonable that Penny did not release the chokehold until nearly a minute after Neely was unconscious.

Which I could see going either way.

I think every sane person can agree that Penny was trying to do the right thing and that Neely was a menace to society.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 26, 2024 04:05 PM (Evo1G)

216 What Makes Hospitals So Deadly and How Can We Fix It?
https://shorturl.at/mW170
substack - A Midwestern Doctor
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 26, 2024 03:55 PM (KcwUg)

I just figure if I go to the hospital again I am dead. Not from anything wrong with me, but from neglect and misdiagnosis that I have no defense against, and procedures chosen not for my health and well being but for the insurance companies and the medical "health management" companies that run the hospitals for profit.

And tell an MD that and they will act like I am a backwoods polygamous Mormon or belong to some snake handling pentacostal church, you know, completely bigoted and blinded by my expectation and ignorance.

You know, as they sit in a consultation room with you wearing a mask because it is the cold and flu season.

Posted by: Kindltot+ (now with streaming!) at November 26, 2024 04:05 PM (D7oie)

217 As I said the othAer day, imagine the howling if a white cop had shot and killed an unarmed black woman on J6.Insteadad, the perp got a promotion and a bonus.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 26, 2024 04:01 PM (YqDXo)

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And a Congressional Gold Medal!

* vomits *

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 26, 2024 04:06 PM (76r/Z)

218 Bill Wells
@MayorBillWells

🚨California is Targeting Law Enforcement🚨
The State of California is threatening to take pensions and charge police officers with felonies if they comply with federal deportation laws. While the Trump administration is working to enforce immigration laws, California seems intent on blocking these efforts.
Here in El Cajon, we are NOT a sanctuary city, yet our officers are being put in an impossible position. If they comply with federal immigration authorities, they risk felony charges and losing their hard-earned pensions.
This is unacceptable. No officer should have to choose between doing their duty and jeopardizing their future.
As Mayor of El Cajon, I’m doing everything in my power to protect our officers and stand against these dangerous policies.
Video: x.com/MayorBillWells/status/1861046647381528767 0:00 / 1:39
5:57 AM · Nov 25, 202

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at November 26, 2024 04:06 PM (9aVck)

219 He just got in with the 'wrong crowd'.

He's got a social disease!

Posted by: Officer Krupke at November 26, 2024 04:06 PM (xCA6C)

220 They should make the jury deliberate while riding the NY subway without guards.

Posted by: RealityMain at November 26, 2024 04:07 PM (dU4LO)

221 Jails are overcrowded so Britain is releasing actual violent criminals and incarcerating people for wrongthink.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at November 26, 2024 04:05 PM (tT6L1)
______________

Prison staff: "Of course. Those criminals are dangerous. Much safer to bust people for wrongthink."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 26, 2024 04:07 PM (YqDXo)

222 This whole thing is like an episode of Law & Order after it got all preachy and the white guy was always guilty.
Posted by: brak
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Bonfire of the Vanities

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 26, 2024 04:08 PM (XeU6L)

223 NYC's population is down a lot in just a few years. A quick search gets the numbers:

2024 population 8m (estimated)
2023 population 8.258M
2020 population 8.773M
Posted by: Ann at November 26, 2024 03:56 PM (4neFu)

Even that's a bit misleading. The city is overrun with illegal and legal immigrants. Some of whom will hopefully be shown the door soon.

I think the population loss, especially since covid, is much more dramatic than the numbers suggest.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 26, 2024 04:08 PM (Evo1G)

224 "America’s need for superheroes has led to the rise of Donald Trump" by Annika Hagley

-
Carwoman > Kamala

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 26, 2024 04:08 PM (L/fGl)

225 Indeed they did. Two Californias in size....

Joseph P. Farrell
@gizadeathstar
The U.S. just expanded its territory by one million square kilometers: https://buff.ly/3CHsURC

Posted by: Mister Ghost at November 26, 2024 04:09 PM (TGPs7)

226 But I've not yet summoned up some pioneer spirit and called a realtor.
Posted by: PaleRider at November 26, 2024 04:04 PM (UKUm3)

Time for a road trip, I think.

Posted by: Kindltot+ (now with streaming!) at November 26, 2024 04:09 PM (D7oie)

227 204 Those laws will keep whites away from all other races[…]

Posted by: humphreyrobot at November 26, 2024 04:03 PM (XlxiJ)

That’s a pretty good point. The Dixiecrats couldn’t have done more for segregation than modern Democrats are doing.

Posted by: Supreme Gentleman at November 26, 2024 04:09 PM (xSTgL)

228 The UK just released a bomber that killed 22 people in 2017. His probation officer and his prison psychologist are both warning he's a serious danger to the public.

Posted by: bonhomme

----------------

There should be at least 22 families that have an incentive to disappear that murderer ... as well as those who released him.

THAT'S the only way this anarchic idiocy ever ends ...

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 26, 2024 04:09 PM (76r/Z)

229 I almost puked in my mouth when someone from the MSM said something like this about DA Alvin Bragg. "He's very hesitant to bring criminal charges in most case circumstances, so this (Penny case) must be serious and ironclad"

Sure, he let's a lot of legitimately dangerous thugs walk free, but will take as many political, wrong-think prisoners as he possibly can given the opportunity .

Posted by: theATL at November 26, 2024 04:10 PM (BYfP9)

230 Look, we all know this is a racist f*ck the white guy trial. The simple truth is even if the choke hold caused the death it was justifiable homicide in defense of the others on that subway car. Penny had a reasonable belief that others lives were in danger, so his action was justifiable. Hell in TX he would get a medal for saving multiple lives.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 26, 2024 04:10 PM (Da7Vv)

231 I don't blame vets of the Pacific theater for resenting Japan. But today they are our best ally, and Made in Japan is the mark of quality for autos, electronics and steel.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at November 26, 2024 04:05 PM (wBaIH)
_________________

They are. Whereas Europe is a dying theme park, and useless as the tits on a boar.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 26, 2024 04:11 PM (YqDXo)

232 Look, we all know this is a racist f*ck the white guy trial.
_________________

Tell me again about white privilege.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 26, 2024 04:12 PM (YqDXo)

233 The absolute funniest was when Columbus police taser an uncooperative ATF thug who immeidately starts mewling HE can't breath. Now that was comedy...

Posted by: SouthCentralPA at November 26, 2024 04:12 PM (muRIc)

234 Indeed they did. Two Californias in size....

Joseph P. Farrell
@gizadeathstar
The U.S. just expanded its territory by one million square kilometers: https://buff.ly/3CHsURC

Posted by: Mister Ghost at November 26, 2024 04:09 PM (TGPs7)

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With Trump back in there, Greenland will be next!

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 26, 2024 04:13 PM (76r/Z)

235 Instinct has me getting involved automatically but now I will have to fight that instinct on a case by case basis. I don't think I could ignore a woman or kid being threatened. ( obvious domestic arguments I don't get involved though haven't seen a physical case yet)

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 26, 2024 04:13 PM (c1bWo)

236 Not saying he was wrong, but if I'm Ratikin, I'm getting up and walking away rather than arguing with an idiot. Not worth the trouble.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at November 26, 2024 04:13 PM (E8rut)

237 236 Not saying he was wrong, but if I'm Ratikin, I'm getting up and walking away rather than arguing with an idiot. Not worth the trouble.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at November 26, 2024 04:13 PM (E8rut)

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If Dolley took this tactic, she'd never talk to me ever.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 26, 2024 04:14 PM (GBKbO)

238 Catwoman, damn it! Catwoman!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 26, 2024 04:14 PM (L/fGl)

239 and useless as the tits on a boar.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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I love that turn of phrase. Reminds me of Mom calling my brothers and me that when we messed up.

Posted by: olddog in mo at November 26, 2024 04:14 PM (hoCmQ)

240 NOOD Tariffs

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 26, 2024 04:15 PM (76r/Z)

241 If I had an extra hundred grand or so, I'd hire investigators to dig through Bragg's background. That jerk has his skeletons. Time to expose them.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 26, 2024 04:15 PM (W/lyH)

242 I almost puked in my mouth when someone from the MSM said something like this about DA Alvin Bragg. "He's very hesitant to bring criminal charges in most case circumstances, so this (Penny case) must be serious and ironclad"

Sure, he let's a lot of legitimately dangerous thugs walk free, but will take as many political, wrong-think prisoners as he possibly can given the opportunity .

Posted by: theATL at November 26, 2024 04:10 PM (BYfP9)

He's very hesitant to bring criminal charges against black people - which, in NYC may actually BE 'in most cases,' so...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 26, 2024 04:15 PM (aYubz)

243 >> This whole thing is like an episode of Law & Order

I used to love Law and Order, especially Jerry Orbach's Lennie Briscoe character (one of the best cop characters, IMHO).

But then you realize that Jack McCoy was the poster boy for prosecutorial overreach, bending the law into whatever pretzel he needed to convict some guy he didn't like.

Jack McCoy is what a prosecutor shouldn't be.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at November 26, 2024 04:15 PM (w6EFb)

244 Hell in TX he would get a medal for saving multiple lives.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 26, 2024 04:10 PM (Da7Vv)

Still thinking of the guy on the phone with 911 who blasted the burglars coming out of his neighbors home with stolen goods. He was not indicted for anything.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 26, 2024 04:16 PM (c1bWo)

245 I don't understand why we look to Europe for ... well ... anything. They're the biggest bunch of f-ups on the planet.

Japan, OTOH, has been a good ally, and is generally squared away. Best of all, they keep their mouths shut.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 26, 2024 04:16 PM (YqDXo)

246 >The State of California is threatening to take pensions and charge police officers with felonies if they comply with federal deportation laws.

This is gonna get good.

Posted by: mr tmz at November 26, 2024 04:16 PM (rJ48h)

247 🚨California is Targeting Law Enforcement🚨

=================================

All of that crap will suddenly vanish Jan 20 when the mayor of Denver gets charged with 50,000 counts of violating 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iii), harboring an illegal alien, each count of which is a felony carrying a 5 year prison sentence.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 26, 2024 04:18 PM (Da7Vv)

248 239 and useless as the tits on a boar.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
--------------

I love that turn of phrase. Reminds me of Mom calling my brothers and me that when we messed up.
Posted by: olddog in mo at November 26, 2024 04:14 PM

--

"You beat all, you know that?"
--My Grandma

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at November 26, 2024 04:18 PM (wzAuc)

249 Japan, OTOH, has been a good ally, and is generally squared away. Best of all, they keep their mouths shut.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 26, 2024 04:16 PM (YqDXo)

Japan is like a woman with two black eyes. She's already been told. Twice.

*ducks*

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 26, 2024 04:18 PM (aYubz)

250 Worship the Holy Pervert!

Canadian town forced to pay $10,000 to LGBT group, send mayor to reeducation course because they didn't declare June "Pride Month" 🤡

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 26, 2024 04:19 PM (L/fGl)

251 Catwoman, damn it! Catwoman!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 26, 2024 04:14 PM (L/fGl)

I would prefer Harris as Cartman

Posted by: Kindltot+ (now with streaming!) at November 26, 2024 04:20 PM (D7oie)

252 205 This whole thing is like an episode of Law & Order after it got all preachy and the white guy was always guilty.
Posted by: brak at November 26, 2024 04:03 PM (NGHTx)
The intersection of entertainment and brainwashing.

Posted by: Eromero at November 26, 2024 04:22 PM (FuCE/)

253 Anybody here remember Bernard Goetze?

Posted by: Eromero at November 26, 2024 04:23 PM (FuCE/)

254 253 Anybody here remember Bernard Goetze?

Posted by: Eromero at November 26, 2024 04:23 PM (FuCE/)

Yeah, shot those kids on the subway like Bronson in Deathwish.

He was found not guilty, right?

Posted by: SpeakingOf at November 26, 2024 04:26 PM (6ydKt)

255 Of course the reason there are so many white people on the jury is to make them think "Well it would look really bad if we vote 'not guilty', so we better convict". An all black jury might not have so much sympathy for the "victim".

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 26, 2024 04:36 PM (Da7Vv)

256 Pathologist: It Wasn't the Cuckold That Killed Jill Bidens' first marriage. Uhhh. Well. It was the cuckold, but I think he pardoned himself.

Posted by: Marooned at November 26, 2024 04:40 PM (kt8QE)

257 Well, he was at least convicted, in absentia. Fled the country.
Posted by: Bulg at November 26, 2024 03:20 PM (v6JzV)

True but his support on the Left is unwavering.
Posted by: ... at November 26, 2024 03:22 PM (5iUPP)

Because of his pedo I assume and not the movies.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 26, 2024 04:45 PM (n7h9X)

258 If I was on the Penny jury, I would vote to acquit for four reasons:

1. The prosecution deserves to lose this case. They could have just stuck to the facts, but they indicted all of white society. Innocent!
2. I'm reluctant to imprison a man who has served his country honorably in uniform. I'm willing to color outside the lines, just a little, in such a case.
3. The jury should send a clear message that public disorder is the main problem. So what if Penny killed Neely? It wouldn't have happened if Neely wasn't on the street to begin with.
4. Black, white, green or in between, I don't care what happens to a troublemaker like Jordan Neely.

Posted by: Bombadil at November 26, 2024 04:49 PM (MX0bI)

259 Do not go behind enemy lines.

Posted by: Next2Nothing at November 26, 2024 04:53 PM (tA1/w)

260 sock off here, boss

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at November 26, 2024 05:15 PM (hovnC)

261 "Phase one is unconsciousness; you have to put enough consistent pressure to render the person unconscious," Chundru said. "Phase two is you have to sustain that pressure for an extended period of time that leads to death."

I've seen a lot of movies where the chokehold does a simultaneous unconscious & kill in a matter of less than six seconds. So has the jury, I'd wager. That testimony isn't going anywhere near to saving Penny.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at November 26, 2024 05:22 PM (bufu1)

262 If they hadn’t done a re-write of the St George Floyd “autopsy”, there might have been very similar conclusions.
The infamous “I can’t breathe” can be heard more than a few times on the recordings BEFORE any physical contact with the police officers.

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at November 26, 2024 05:35 PM (DzC+b)

263 When you can see the actual "chokehold" ... he wasn't choking him. Unfortunately, the lunatic started struggling and the 2 people assisting Penny blocked the view of the camera for the crucial 30 or 40 seconds, but (unless he had switched his choke hand) his head was still on the wrong side when you can see Penny again.

Speaking as someone with 8 years learning how to choke people and prevent being choked myself (i.e. learning BJJ).

Posted by: Jim T at November 26, 2024 06:16 PM (f8OVO)

264 On one hand we have a medical examiner who has decided what killed a man without examining the corpse as opposed to the opinion of the examiner who did. I know which opinion I'd accept. As for the NYC subways and the people of NY, lets nuke them from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

Posted by: TJ Jackson at November 26, 2024 09:20 PM (bXvrr)

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