Mid-Morning Art Thread

Freedom From Want
Norman Rockwell

At the risk of skewering an icon of 20th century Americana, I find this piece to be insulting in its assumptions, and not-so-subtly contemptuous of traditional America...and American Exceptionalism.

Our founders fought and died to protect and guarantee our God-given natural rights from the depredations of government. But the expansion of those rights into needs and desires and wants trivializes our true rights and creates the conditions for exactly what we have today...a huge and unaccountable government that is intrusive and demanding while it purports to satisfy those needs and desires and wants.

I'm not calling Norman Rockwell a crypto-communist, but this is a rare misstep in a long career that is marked by his respect for and celebration of America.

Posted by: CBD at 09:30 AM

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1 Sponge!

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 09:30 AM (UE7n4)

2 rd

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NEXT Year In Corsicana - again! ~ at November 25, 2024 09:30 AM (hOUT3)

3 close

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NEXT Year In Corsicana - again! ~ at November 25, 2024 09:30 AM (hOUT3)

4 A R T

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 25, 2024 09:31 AM (gbOdA)

5 I like the Charlie Brown/Snoopy Thanksgiving theme as well.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 09:31 AM (UE7n4)

6 It's no Rothko.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 25, 2024 09:31 AM (hY4dx)

7 Who wears a suit and tie for Thanksgiving?

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 09:31 AM (Yj6Os)

8 Little premature but good for the week

Posted by: Skip at November 25, 2024 09:32 AM (cdFLU)

9
No dog. Not art. Unless he's hiding under the table.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 25, 2024 09:32 AM (0PG7L)

10 The guy in the lower right-hand corner didn't come for the turkey.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 25, 2024 09:32 AM (hY4dx)

11 Wakes up
Scratches
Looks around
Dang. We're getting the bird for art today.
Goes looking for coffee.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 25, 2024 09:32 AM (W/lyH)

12 Perfect!

Posted by: redridinghood at November 25, 2024 09:32 AM (NpAcC)

13 Is that Rockwell in the lower right corner?

Posted by: dantesed at November 25, 2024 09:33 AM (Oy/m2)

14
Sometimes a turkey is just a turkey. Calm down.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 25, 2024 09:33 AM (0PG7L)

15 So… you don’t like turkey..

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2024 09:33 AM (PCK5/)

16 Norman was a devout New Deal Democrat. The Four Freedoms were cast as the freedom from various things not the freedom to do what you want with your life and that was deliberate, and he worked that out with the Roosevelt administration. They wanted to recast the very core concept of freedom in Americans' minds.

Posted by: Beverly at November 25, 2024 09:33 AM (Epeb0)

17 That bird looks like it has ketchup on it.

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 09:33 AM (jgdZo)

18 There are an awful lot of white people in this painting. Is this some kind of Klan rally or something?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 25, 2024 09:33 AM (hY4dx)

19 I've always admired the painting but hated it's name. "Freedom From Want" is neither a right nor an American value.

Posted by: Hoagie at November 25, 2024 09:34 AM (LH8Tq)

20 CBD, are you having a bad day?

This looks to me like many an intergenerational Turkey Day as celebrated by my family, all of whom worked their a*ses to make sure they had food on the table and shelter for their families!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NEXT Year In Corsicana - again! ~ at November 25, 2024 09:34 AM (hOUT3)

21
Who wears a suit and tie for Thanksgiving?
Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 09:31 AM (Yj6Os)

________

No pants, though.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 25, 2024 09:34 AM (0PG7L)

22 The guy in the lower right-hand corner didn't come for the turkey.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 25, 2024 09:32 AM (hY4dx)

Duh! He's the one taking the photo - selfie style.

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 09:34 AM (jgdZo)

23
I've always liked this depiction of joy, leave the politics out of it.

Yes, people used to dress up for all occasions, respecting others.

Posted by: Auspex at November 25, 2024 09:34 AM (j4U/Z)

24 Freedom of speech and expression
Freedom of worship
Freedom from want
Freedom from fear

Freedom from Want is latter expanded into the Second Bill of Rights:
Employment
An adequate income for food, shelter, and recreation
Farmers' rights to a fair income
Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies
Decent housing
Adequate medical care
Social security
Education

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 25, 2024 09:34 AM (gbOdA)

25 What the hell is this shit?

Posted by: Faguar Motor Co. at November 25, 2024 09:35 AM (hY4dx)

26 I'll have some corn with the cornucopia ...

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 09:35 AM (6XjEr)

27 No dog. Not art. Unless he's hiding under the table.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 25, 2024 09:32 AM (0PG7L)
******
Of course it's hiding under the table.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 25, 2024 09:35 AM (NpAcC)

28 They wanted to recast the very core concept of freedom in Americans' minds.

Posted by: Beverly at November 25, 2024 09:33 AM (Epeb0)

Yup.

I know he was a Roosevelt supporter, although I wonder how fervently leftist he was.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 09:35 AM (d9fT1)

29 No dog. Not art. Unless he's hiding under the table.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

If he is a house dog, that's exactly where he is!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NEXT Year In Corsicana - again! ~ at November 25, 2024 09:35 AM (hOUT3)

30 When I look at this, I don't see communists, I see Grandma. And having enough to eat is a blessing for which to give thanks.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 25, 2024 09:35 AM (SfhV1)

31 Who wears a suit and tie for Thanksgiving?

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 09:31 AM (Yj6Os)

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Back when it was celebrated on Sundays.

/

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 09:35 AM (6XjEr)

32 What the hell are you on about, CBD? Get a cup of coffee and calm down. Sheesh.

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at November 25, 2024 09:36 AM (Ij2uN)

33 They look happy.
Must be Trump supporters.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 25, 2024 09:36 AM (NpAcC)

34 When your Thanksgiving dinner is catch-as-catch-can and you haven't seen you "family" in three years, this picture hits different.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez at November 25, 2024 09:36 AM (Nv+9A)

35 30 When I look at this, I don't see communists, I see Grandma. And having enough to eat is a blessing for which to give thanks.
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 25, 2024 09:35 AM (SfhV1)

You obviously do not see everything through the lens of political conflict, grammie..be better.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2024 09:36 AM (PCK5/)

36 I want to see
“Freedom from democrats”

Other freedoms will bloom like a thousand flowers after that.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 25, 2024 09:36 AM (jbnUc)

37 The lady on the right with the fluffy white hair looks like my Grandma Berg. It's been 30+ years since she died and I'd pretty much forgotten what she looks like.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 25, 2024 09:37 AM (s9EYN)

38 Get the government out of the way and people will have enough to eat.

There hasn't been a non-government induced famine in hundreds of years...but government induced famines happen at at a regular pace...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2024 09:37 AM (oZhjI)

39 That bird looks like it has ketchup on it.

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 09:33 AM (jgdZo)

paprika?

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 09:37 AM (Yj6Os)

40 That's a big bird. 20 pounder?

Posted by: spindrift at November 25, 2024 09:38 AM (OguvZ)

41 Who wears a suit and tie for Thanksgiving?
Posted by: BignJames

I've done that in the past. I've also dressed like that for Christmas dinner, especially when we used to go to my brother-in-law's house for Christmas.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 09:38 AM (v6JzV)

42
Prolly lumpy, dried out mashed potatoes under one of those covered dishes.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 25, 2024 09:38 AM (0PG7L)

43 Interesting that evrybody at the table is leaning in.

Eager ~~beavers~~ eaters ...

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 09:39 AM (6XjEr)

44 40 That's a big bird. 20 pounder?
Posted by: spindrift at November 25, 2024 09:38 AM (OguvZ)

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He didn't go quietly. The kitchen looks like an abattoir.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 25, 2024 09:39 AM (hY4dx)

45 Freedom from Want is latter expanded into the Second Bill of Rights:
Employment

Years ago I saw a Democrat campaigning for the house on a platform of ending unemployment by giving everyone who couldn't find one on their own one from the government.

A reporter actually did his job that day and asked, "What if the unemployed person didn't want the job the government assigned him?" And the answer? "Well that person would be forced to take it of course"

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2024 09:39 AM (oZhjI)

46 Who wears a suit and tie for Thanksgiving?

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 09:31 AM (Yj6Os)

Never seen the movie Avalon, huh?

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 09:40 AM (jgdZo)

47 I've also dressed like that for Christmas dinner, especially when we used to go to my brother-in-law's house for Christmas.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 09:38 AM (v6JzV)

When we are invited to a Christmas dinner I wear a coat and tie. I think it signals respect for the event and one's hosts, and the tie keeps the gravy off my shirt.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 09:40 AM (d9fT1)

48 No pants, though.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 25, 2024 09:34 AM (0PG7L)

pajama pants

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 09:40 AM (Yj6Os)

49 Normal Rockwell is always a great pick.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 25, 2024 09:41 AM (u1uWe)

50 Grandma's arms seem strange for someone holding a 20 pound+ bird on a platter.

Posted by: RS at November 25, 2024 09:41 AM (E7m29)

51 Ah for a time when bluish hair meant someone was an elder...not a youngin' with daddy issues.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2024 09:41 AM (oZhjI)

52 In many ways this is a typical Rockwell with appropriate expressions and details that spell out the environment of the image. The scenes might be cute like the little boy at the doctor's office not knowing he is about to get an injection in the butt. Might be the neighbors welcoming a soldier back from combat. What catches my eye in this one is the way Rockwell so effectively paints the food and dinnerware. Those details are worthy of the Dutch Masters still life paintings.

Posted by: JTB at November 25, 2024 09:41 AM (yTvNw)

53 the tie keeps the gravy off my shirt.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

LOL

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 09:42 AM (v6JzV)

54 I've seen this picture so many, many times but it never occurred to me that I hadn't known its title.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at November 25, 2024 09:42 AM (bufu1)

55 What is the thing that looks like a potato in the fruit bowl? I see a pear and grapes and something that almost looks like a potato with a face.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2024 09:42 AM (oZhjI)

56 Get the government out of the way and people will have enough to eat.

There hasn't been a non-government induced famine in hundreds of years...but government induced famines happen at at a regular pace...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2024 09:37 AM (oZhjI)

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* Government-induced economic boom-and-bust cycles have entered the chat *

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 09:43 AM (pdiTJ)

57 Has anyone watched the new Ken Burns DaVinci series (think it's just 2 episodes long)? It's based on Walter Isaacson's book. Watched the first episode yesterday -- it is excellent!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 25, 2024 09:43 AM (u1uWe)

58 Gentlepersons/undefinable/nonentities, this is Trump's fascism, manifest.

Posted by: Joy Reid at November 25, 2024 09:43 AM (MUitS)

59 That kid (young adult?) on the left with his face next to the turkey looks like Matt Gaetz with a shit-eating grin after he banged a 17-year-old at a drug-fueled rave. Just sayig.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 25, 2024 09:43 AM (iFTx/)

60 Normal Rockwell is always a great pick.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 25, 2024 09:41 AM (u1uWe)

How about this Rockwell??
https://youtu.be/7YvAYIJSSZY

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 09:43 AM (jgdZo)

61 Just one guy with a receding hairline. Wildroot Cream Oil, FTW!

Posted by: Hairy Goomer at November 25, 2024 09:43 AM (nS6qG)

62 Save room for the tiramisu!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 25, 2024 09:43 AM (hY4dx)

63 The guy in the lower right-hand corner didn't come for the turkey.
Posted by: Cicero
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Kind of looks like Bogart. He will probably bogart the gravy, but has motives.

Posted by: scampydog at November 25, 2024 09:44 AM (2bFN5)

64 No pants, though.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 25, 2024 09:34 AM (0PG7L)

pajama pants
Posted by: BignJames

Or sweatpants. Old maternity pants in a pinch. Gotta have an expandable waistband for holiday dinner.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at November 25, 2024 09:44 AM (lHzOd)

65 Good to see there's celery on the table. They're gonna need some fiber after eating that bird.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 09:44 AM (v6JzV)

66 What is the thing that looks like a potato in the fruit bowl? I see a pear and grapes and something that almost looks like a potato with a face.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2024 09:42 AM (oZhjI)

That's the shrunken head of the HOA president.

Posted by: spindrift at November 25, 2024 09:44 AM (OguvZ)

67 Grandma's arms seem strange for someone holding a 20 pound+ bird on a platter.

Posted by: RS at November 25, 2024 09:41 AM (E7m29)

Back in those days she was probably in her 40's.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 25, 2024 09:44 AM (VwHCD)

68 Unburdened of want.

Posted by: Kamala at November 25, 2024 09:44 AM (i0F8b)

69 >>Never seen the movie Avalon, huh?

Oh, that movie -- don't start the meal until everyone arrives!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 25, 2024 09:44 AM (u1uWe)

70 What is the thing that looks like a potato in the fruit bowl? I see a pear and grapes and something that almost looks like a potato with a face.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2024 09:42 AM (oZhjI)

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Mr. Potato Head and/or baby Tater Stelter?

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 09:44 AM (pdiTJ)

71 Good to see there's celery on the table. They're gonna need some fiber after eating that bird.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 09:44 AM (v6JzV)

That's only for the lucky person who gets the wings.

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 09:45 AM (jgdZo)

72 Mr. Potato Head and/or baby Tater Stelter?

The problem with inviting Stelter to T-day is that he'll drink all your gravy and then put the moves on your turkey.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2024 09:45 AM (oZhjI)

73 This is a lovely painting. The color, lighting, composition... all are hopeful and welcoming. Look at how the faces form a triangle that peaks at grandpa. Notice how he's the only one in dark colors. He's the patriarch of an obviously ideal family unit with several generations. In the exact center of the work is the a perfectly cooked turkey presented by grandma. Look at how the viewer is placed. We're at the other end of this long table. The eyeball in the bottom right corner looks right at us. We are included here. This might not be our family, but we are a welcome guest.

Posted by: Kris at November 25, 2024 09:46 AM (EwaUh)

74 That's only for the lucky person who gets the wings.

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 09:45 AM (jgdZo)

I don't think I've ever eaten a turkey wing.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 25, 2024 09:46 AM (SfhV1)

75 The girl on the right looks like Jean Simmons.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 09:46 AM (v6JzV)

76 "In many ways this is a typical Rockwell"
Posted by: JTB

I've always thought Rockwell was a counter-point to the socialist=realism prevalent during his heyday.

Posted by: RS at November 25, 2024 09:47 AM (E7m29)

77 This might not be our family, but we are a welcome guest.
Posted by: Kris at November 25, 2024 09:46 AM (EwaUh)

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It is time for the Airing of the Grievances.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 25, 2024 09:47 AM (hY4dx)

78 The expressions are all fairly creepy.

Posted by: XTC at November 25, 2024 09:47 AM (UnA8+)

79
paprika?
Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 09:37 AM (Yj6Os)

_________

We did duck with Cajun seasoning one year. Damn, that was good.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 25, 2024 09:47 AM (0PG7L)

80 The girl on the right looks like Jean Simmons.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 09:46 AM (v6JzV)

Are you saying she wants to rock and roll all night?

Posted by: spindrift at November 25, 2024 09:48 AM (OguvZ)

81 Where's the kid's table?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 25, 2024 09:48 AM (Q4IgG)

82 For the Rockwell fans there is a huge coffee table book called Norman Rockwell Artist and Illustrator. It has just about all his paintings and prints, and many are actually removable should somebody want to frame them. Seriously nice book. I found a first edition on ebay for $25, and there were a few others there in the same price range.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 25, 2024 09:48 AM (VwHCD)

83 I'm cooking this year. Nobody in my family likes turkey very much so I'm going with game hen.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 25, 2024 09:48 AM (LxER7)

84 When you were a kid, could you imagine an America where a too-large swath of the country would look at this painting and think: "Colonizers"? Or, frankly, anything other than "What a beautiful family gathering"?

Make America Grateful Again.

Posted by: red speck at November 25, 2024 09:49 AM (0Id0S)

85 They must be rich. They've got wainscoting.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 25, 2024 09:49 AM (hY4dx)

86 There's going to be three people at our Thanksgiving dinner this year. The hostess got a 21 lb. turkey! Yikes.

Posted by: Kris at November 25, 2024 09:50 AM (EwaUh)

87 They've got wainscoting.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 25, 2024 09:49 AM (hY4dx)

Or a chair rail...which I love!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 09:50 AM (d9fT1)

88 No Hawaiian Buns. This is wrong.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 25, 2024 09:50 AM (jFCkp)

89 I don't think I've ever eaten a turkey wing.
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 25, 2024 09:46 AM (SfhV1)

Cut 'em off before roasting the bird. They get lost and/or overlooked anyway.
Fry / grill / smoke a bunch of turkey wings. Dry rub or sauce. Underrated experience!!

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 09:50 AM (jgdZo)

90 Where's the kid's table?
Posted by: Martini Farmer

And the TV next to the table with the Bears/Lions game on?

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 09:50 AM (v6JzV)

91 from FDR 1944 State of the Union address, proposed so-called Second Bill of Rights:

"Among these are:

1. The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the Nation;
2. The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
3.The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
4. The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
5. The right of every family to a decent home;
6. The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
7.The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
8. The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security.

Posted by: muldoon at November 25, 2024 09:51 AM (991eG)

92 Why aren't they all looking at their phones?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 25, 2024 09:51 AM (hY4dx)

93 *sniff, sniff*

Posted by: Bumpus Dogs at November 25, 2024 09:51 AM (i0F8b)

94 Always liked Norman even though he was a New Dealer. Like this painting though they maybe communists because I don't see any can shaped cranberry sauce. There appears to be a small tin shaped something but it doesn't look cranberryish

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 25, 2024 09:51 AM (FxDm7)

95 And the TV next to the table with the Bears/Lions game on?

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 09:50 AM (v6JzV)

LOL

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 25, 2024 09:51 AM (SfhV1)

96 Turkey and plastic fruit. Depression era?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 25, 2024 09:51 AM (VwHCD)

97 We did duck with Cajun seasoning one year. Damn, that was good.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 25, 2024 09:47 AM (0PG7L)

Tony Chachere??

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 09:51 AM (jgdZo)

98 All of these rights spell security.

Posted by: muldoon at November 25, 2024 09:51 AM (991eG)

That's a terrible limerick!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 09:51 AM (d9fT1)

99 Yeah, Rockwell's Freedom of Expression is a better painting, and that subject is an actual freedom in the Bill of Rights - 1st Amendment, that is.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at November 25, 2024 09:51 AM (BHrzb)

100 FDR was a dickhead.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 25, 2024 09:52 AM (VwHCD)

101 Grandma's arms seem strange for someone holding a 20 pound+ bird on a platter.

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My great-grandmother walked bent over at the lower back 90° from decades of slopping the hogs on the family farm in a place with brutally cold winters.

I was horrified & repulsed the first time I had to use that outhouse as a four-year-old ... and couldn't imagine having to use it in freezing winter during the middle of the night.

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 09:52 AM (8AZzc)

102 40 >>>That's a big bird. 20 pounder?

In 2024, it might just be a genetically modified chicken.

Posted by: red speck at November 25, 2024 09:52 AM (0Id0S)

103 Ah, the memories of family arguments this brings back.

Wait 'til these folks have a snootfull of booze in 'em. They'll be arguing over Smoot-Hawley in no time.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 09:52 AM (v6JzV)

104 25 What the hell is this shit?
Posted by: Faguar Motor Co. at November 25, 2024 09:35 AM

Ha! Good one.

Posted by: Scarlett O'Hara at November 25, 2024 09:53 AM (0slL1)

105 Visible fold lines in tablecloth. Nobody slapped an iron to it.

Posted by: scampydog at November 25, 2024 09:53 AM (2bFN5)

106 59
‘ That kid (young adult?) on the left with his face next to the turkey looks like Matt Gaetz with a shit-eating grin after he banged a 17-year-old at a drug-fueled rave’

Now. I can’t I unsee that. I hope you’re happy. You’ve defiled this picture for me.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 25, 2024 09:54 AM (jbnUc)

107 @91 "all of these rights spell security".

Actually I think they spell tyranny

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 25, 2024 09:54 AM (FxDm7)

108 No wine on the table. Baptist Grandma would approve.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 25, 2024 09:54 AM (SfhV1)

109 What the hell are you on about, CBD? Get a cup of coffee and calm down. Sheesh.

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser

Seconded. Yeah, I get it, leftists co-opt "freedom" language e.g. "freedom from gun violence" when they mean taking away the right of self-defense. "Freedom from want" is a nice-sounding way to talk about forcible redistribution. But why should we let the left define these things? Take back the language.

There's nothing wrong with freedom from want, when that freedom is earned by one's own industry, thrift and forbearance. No doubt that's how Rockwell intended it.

Posted by: Bombadil at November 25, 2024 09:54 AM (MX0bI)

110 In the Beastie Boys 1986 address to the nation, they advocated for a Third Bill of Rights.

This consisted of:

1. The right to party.

Posted by: spindrift at November 25, 2024 09:54 AM (OguvZ)

111 I saw where someone took the jaguar ad and added an actual jaguar running in and eating the models.

Makes for a much more entertaining ad...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2024 09:54 AM (oZhjI)

112 I was horrified & repulsed the first time I had to use that outhouse as a four-year-old ... and couldn't imagine having to use it in freezing winter during the middle of the night.

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 09:52 AM (8AZzc)

chamber pot....thunder bucket

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 09:54 AM (Yj6Os)

113 I don't think I've ever eaten a turkey wing.
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead

Turkey wings go into the stockpot.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at November 25, 2024 09:54 AM (CbDvl)

114 Well, context is everything. We can't even begin to imagine not having enough food on the table to feed our family, unlike this post-Depression family. The closest we've come to not having everything was the great toilet paper and paper towel shortages during the wuhan flu 2020 invasion.

Posted by: Dana Ray at November 25, 2024 09:54 AM (anSj1)

115 How did Dan Rather get to the head of the table?

Posted by: bearski at November 25, 2024 09:55 AM (Bhsk7)

116 someone forgot their meds this morning

Posted by: lh at November 25, 2024 09:55 AM (Ln22s)

117 Has anybody posted a link to the WKRP Thanksgiving ep yet?

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 09:55 AM (v6JzV)

118 My grandmother would be barking at someone to move the salt and pepper shakers and he celery plate back so that she had room to set the turkey platter down.

Posted by: one hour sober at November 25, 2024 09:56 AM (Y1sOo)

119 FDR was a dickhead.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 25, 2024 09:52 AM (VwHCD)

Had a discussion with my grandmother about him one time. She grew up in the Depression era and thought he was the bees knees. I opined that he was horrible as a president. She said, "but without him we wouldn't have Social Security". I said "Exactly!" Then my mom gave me THE look.

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 09:56 AM (jgdZo)

120 Freedom From Want

What I want is for your Grandpa to heave this thirty-pound plate of turkey on to the table for me.

Posted by: Grandma at November 25, 2024 09:56 AM (xtH79)

121 That's a big bird. 20 pounder?

Roast hobo.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at November 25, 2024 09:56 AM (dOjkx)

122 50 >>Grandma's arms seem strange for someone holding a 20 pound+ bird on a platter.

There was almost an annual test at my grandparents' home when we'd visit. My grandma used to use an old cast iron skillet to cook breakfast. We always marveled at how deftly she was able to manipulate the thing on the stove. We take turns trying to lift it off the burner without our forearms wilting. It was like pulling Arthur's sword from the stone. None were ever up to the task.

Posted by: red speck at November 25, 2024 09:56 AM (0Id0S)

123
Wait 'til these folks have a snootfull of booze in 'em. They'll be arguing over Smoot-Hawley in no time.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024

***
Great painting, with the usual Rockwell skill evident.

Whatever happened to Smoot, anyway?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024 09:56 AM (J2vNu)

124 Like this painting though they maybe communists because I don't see any can shaped cranberry sauce. There appears to be a small tin shaped something but it doesn't look cranberryish

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 25, 2024 09:51 AM (FxDm7)

I think that is Aspic jelly. Shudder.

Posted by: Scarymary at November 25, 2024 09:56 AM (K1HkL)

125 100 FDR was a dickhead.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

Bers!

To be fair, he was a dickhead first, before he became a Democrat

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NEXT Year In Corsicana - again! ~ at November 25, 2024 09:57 AM (hOUT3)

126 Two weeks of turkey leftovers then it's Glitter Season.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 25, 2024 09:57 AM (hY4dx)

127 The dad kind of resembles FDR a little bit.

Posted by: davidt at November 25, 2024 09:57 AM (i0F8b)

128 CBD, he could just be saying they have everything they need or could want right there.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 25, 2024 09:57 AM (JQfE3)

129 I was horrified & repulsed the first time I had to use that outhouse as a four-year-old ... and couldn't imagine having to use it in freezing winter during the middle of the night.
Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 09:52 AM (8AZzc)
chamber pot....thunder bucket
Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 09:54 AM (Yj6Os)

You gotta go, you gotta go.

Posted by: Captain McCluskey, A Dirty Cop at November 25, 2024 09:57 AM (Y5VD5)

130 When you were a kid, could you imagine an America where a too-large swath of the country would look at this painting and think: "Colonizers"? Or, frankly, anything other than "What a beautiful family gathering"?

Make America Grateful Again.

Posted by: red speck at November 25, 2024 09:49 AM (0Id0S)

---------------

+1

I'll have a second helping of gratitude ...

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 09:58 AM (8AZzc)

131 Whatever happened to Smoot, anyway?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

I think he moved to Hooterville. Spent all his time playing checkers with Fred Zifffle down at Sam Drucker's store.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 09:58 AM (v6JzV)

132 My grandmother would be barking at someone to move the salt and pepper shakers and he celery plate back so that she had room to set the turkey platter down.
Posted by: one hour sober at November 25, 2024 09:56 AM (Y1sOo)

Yeah, that's clearly not going to fit.

Posted by: spindrift at November 25, 2024 09:58 AM (OguvZ)

133 Turkey and plastic fruit. Depression era?
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

Zero carb diet, you can only look at fruit. Similarly satisfying as Depression era dinner.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at November 25, 2024 09:58 AM (lHzOd)

134 Alternate title;

"Turkey Supremacy Grinding Down the Rights of Prime Rib to Be Consumed on Thanksgiving Day"

Posted by: naturalfake at November 25, 2024 09:58 AM (eDfFs)

135 So I'm not supposed to like this ?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 25, 2024 09:59 AM (IyPmt)

136 Never gave thought to any politics behind these 'freedom' paintings by Rockwell. I took freedom in the title to mean the American system offered the opportunity for plenty, not that plenty is an entitlement. Learning about an FDR administration connection, which tainted everything it touched, does cast a shadow over why he painted it.

I'll still enjoy the painting for the technique and the family feel it portrays. Reminds me of the Thanksgiving dinners in my youth which are pleasant memories.

Posted by: JTB at November 25, 2024 09:59 AM (yTvNw)

137 My favorite meal. Two invites for the both of us. We'll never be hungry again.

Posted by: Mutt at November 25, 2024 10:00 AM (HcbZb)

138 It is wrong that steak is not a traditional meal for any major holiday.

Or is it?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 25, 2024 10:00 AM (JQfE3)

139 30 When I look at this, I don't see communists, I see Grandma. And having enough to eat is a blessing for which to give thanks.
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 25, 2024 09:35 AM (SfhV1)

Me, too.

Posted by: Nova Local at November 25, 2024 10:00 AM (exHjb)

140 What the DOI calls "pursuit of happiness":

We consider to be "Freedom to..." be an individual, try, fail, explore, experiment, etc. requiring only the courage of the individual.

Democrats, Socialists and Communists consider to be "Freedom from..." want, poverty, need, sickness, worry, etc. all requiring Big Government to ensure.

When self-fulfillment (happiness) comes from the government, it is hardly self-fulfillment is it?

Posted by: muldoon at November 25, 2024 10:01 AM (991eG)

141 While the Beastie Boys did recognize a Right to Party, one only earned that right through compulsory combat.

Posted by: Wally at November 25, 2024 10:01 AM (dxp4v)

142 So I'm not supposed to like this ?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 25, 2024 09:59 AM (IyPmt)

If you like it- you like it. Don't let CBD get you down.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 25, 2024 10:01 AM (JQfE3)

143 Grandma's arms seem strange for someone holding a 20 pound+ bird on a platter.

There was almost an annual test at my grandparents' home when we'd visit. My grandma used to use an old cast iron skillet to cook breakfast. We always marveled at how deftly she was able to manipulate the thing on the stove. We take turns trying to lift it off the burner without our forearms wilting. It was like pulling Arthur's sword from the stone. None were ever up to the task.
Posted by: red speck

There's gym strong and then there's country strong.

Gym strong doesn't even compare.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 10:01 AM (UE7n4)

144 No doubt that's how Rockwell intended it.

Posted by: Bombadil at November 25, 2024 09:54 AM (MX0bI)

I doubt that very much.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:01 AM (d9fT1)

145 At the risk of skewering an icon of 20th century Americana, I find this piece to be insulting in its assumptions, and not-so-subtly contemptuous of traditional America...and American Exceptionalism.

Our founders fought and died to protect and guarantee our God-given natural rights from the depredations of government. But the expansion of those rights into needs and desires and wants trivializes our true rights and creates the conditions for exactly what we have today...a huge and unaccountable government that is intrusive and demanding while it purports to satisfy those needs and desires and wants.
====

Say, what??

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 25, 2024 10:01 AM (RIvkX)

146 Had a discussion with my grandmother about him one time. She grew up in the Depression era and thought he was the bees knees. I opined that he was horrible as a president. She said, "but without him we wouldn't have Social Security". I said "Exactly!" Then my mom gave me THE look.
Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024

***
I'd been taught in school and in my usual reading that FDR had actually *done something* to bring the country back from depression, and had been a tower of strength during the Hitler/Tojo War. My mother, who had actually lived through those times as a young adult (born 1915), referred to him as "that man" and told me he had known the Japanese were going to attack us, probably at Pearl Harbor, and did nothing to warn them or avert the attack. Apparently the story wasn't completely hushed up even at the time; some people knew. Perhaps there were actual journalists then who spoke out.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024 10:02 AM (J2vNu)

147 I'm with CBD on this one. Seeing the title made me right angry. Rockwell's fault for executing a nice painting named for bullshit commie ideals.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at November 25, 2024 10:02 AM (lHzOd)

148 It is wrong that steak is not a traditional meal for any major holiday.

Or is it?
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Steak and Blow Job Day.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 10:03 AM (UE7n4)

149 Think I remember Alton Brown on one of his 'Good Eats' shows doing a cute aftermath of this picture.. mentioning how such a colossally oversized bird probably collapsed the table by its own weight.

Posted by: dev2000man at November 25, 2024 10:03 AM (vjSNN)

150 It is wrong that steak is not a traditional meal for any major holiday.

Or is it?
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Steak and BJ day

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at November 25, 2024 10:03 AM (lHzOd)

151 all requiring Big Government to ensure.

********

And yet always failing at that.

Posted by: muldoon at November 25, 2024 10:03 AM (991eG)

152 The dad kind of resembles FDR a little bit.
Posted by: davidt at November 25, 2024

***
More like LBJ. Lookit them ears.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024 10:03 AM (J2vNu)

153 You're being a bit of a hypocrite here, CBD.

You admonish folks for dragging politics into everything, music, theater, movies, and here you completely eviscerate a purely American painting that celebrates a purely American holiday!

Jeepers. Please go for a walk.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at November 25, 2024 10:03 AM (XNYK+)

154 Let's cut to the chase and address the elephant in the room: why does the otherwise attractive young woman on the right have a pencil mustache?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:03 AM (xCA6C)

155 We just want freedom to worship God without fear.

Posted by: Zachariah at November 25, 2024 10:05 AM (gDlxJ)

156 Alternate title:

"Everybody Loves Beyond Turkey's New Premolded Tofurkey!"

Posted by: naturalfake at November 25, 2024 10:05 AM (eDfFs)

157 Think I remember Alton Brown on one of his 'Good Eats' shows doing a cute aftermath of this picture.. mentioning how such a colossally oversized bird probably collapsed the table by its own weight.
Posted by: dev2000man

He did an ep where he deep-fried a turkey. He built this amazing contraption outside so he could lower the turkey into the boiling oil safely.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 10:05 AM (v6JzV)

158 Let's cut to the chase and address the elephant in the room: why does the otherwise attractive young woman on the right have a pencil mustache?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:03 AM (xCA6C)

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Botoxed lips?

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 10:05 AM (d73WM)

159 I disagree with CBD on this one. It's an anodyne painting of a happy scene - not a political screed.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:05 AM (xCA6C)

160 Well, it does have a turkey in it, so it's got that going for it...

Posted by: Martin Tell at November 25, 2024 10:05 AM (2XEIN)

161 Whatever happened to Smoot, anyway?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
*
I think he moved to Hooterville. Spent all his time playing checkers with Fred Zifffle down at Sam Drucker's store.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024

***
And ogling Lisa Douglas and the Shady Rest girls whenever they came to town!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024 10:05 AM (J2vNu)

162 Carving at the table is a dicey proposition at best as well.

Carve, then serve.

A good sharp knife and some room and you could make a masterpiece with that bird though. Thick (but not too thick) slices the size of your hand. Disclaimer: I have carved a few turkeys in my day.

Mmmmmm.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 25, 2024 10:05 AM (JQfE3)

163 There is much to be thankful for this year.

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at November 25, 2024 10:05 AM (gDlxJ)

164 In the Beastie Boys 1986 address to the nation, they advocated for a Third Bill of Rights.

This consisted of:

1. The right to party.
Posted by: spindrift at November 25, 2024 09:54 AM (OguvZ)

In the music video, there's a guy in a white shirt and black pants. Looks a lot like mid-late 80s Doof. My buddies at the time swore it was actually me. Good reference points at 0:44-0:47 (getting smacked with a beer can) and 3:33 (lower right corner).
https://youtu.be/eBShN8qT4lk

I really miss my hair.

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 10:06 AM (jgdZo)

165 Let's cut to the chase and address the elephant in the room: why does the otherwise attractive young woman on the right have a pencil mustache?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024

***
Big fan of Clark Gable?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024 10:06 AM (J2vNu)

166 There is much to be thankful for this year.

Two toddler grandkids and two more on the way.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:06 AM (xCA6C)

167 Let's cut to the chase and address the elephant in the room: why does the otherwise attractive young woman on the right have a pencil mustache?

Posted by: Archimedes

What has been seen cannot be unseen.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 10:07 AM (UE7n4)

168 No doubt that's how Rockwell intended it.

Posted by: Bombadil at November 25, 2024 09:54 AM (MX0bI)

I doubt that very much.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Really? I mean, I don't know anything about Rockwell other than the art. There could be something I don't understand about this.

I still like the scene, though.

Posted by: Bombadil at November 25, 2024 10:07 AM (MX0bI)

169 Let's cut to the chase and address the elephant in the room:

I think elephant is only served at Thanksgiving in Tanzania.

Posted by: spindrift at November 25, 2024 10:07 AM (OguvZ)

170 Bulg, I miss Good Eats

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at November 25, 2024 10:07 AM (gDlxJ)

171 You admonish folks for dragging politics into everything, music, theater, movies, and here you completely eviscerate a purely American painting that celebrates a purely American holiday!

Jeepers. Please go for a walk.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at November 25, 2024 10:03 AM (XNYK+)

Uh...politics is downstream of culture, and there is no denying that. As for my admonishments? I try to keep the art thread clear of politics for the first 100 comments, but I thought that this piece deserved a bit of a skewering.

But the art thread over at HotAir.com has a fantastic and vibrant commenter section. You should head over there if this post displeases you.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:07 AM (d9fT1)

172 I think CBD is playing up the schtick a bit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 25, 2024 10:08 AM (JQfE3)

173 Notice the absence of morbid obesity in this picture. This is the America I remember.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 25, 2024 10:08 AM (jFCkp)

174 Let's cut to the chase and address the elephant in the room: why does the otherwise attractive young woman on the right have a pencil mustache?
Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:03 AM (xCA6C)

The Boston Blackie kind?

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 10:08 AM (jgdZo)

175 Let's cut to the chase and address the elephant in the room:

I think elephant is only served at Thanksgiving in Tanzania.

Yeah, but the leftovers last forever.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:08 AM (xCA6C)

176 Has anyone watched the new Ken Burns DaVinci series (think it's just 2 episodes long)? It's based on Walter Isaacson's book. Watched the first episode yesterday -- it is excellent!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 25, 2024 09:43 AM (u1uWe)

I watched both episodes...thought it was just...alright.

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 10:08 AM (Yj6Os)

177 ‘ That kid (young adult?) on the left with his face next to the turkey looks like Matt Gaetz with a shit-eating grin after he banged a 17-year-old at a drug-fueled rave’

***
And the little girl next to him has no body -- she looks as if her head is growing out of his shoulder.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024 10:08 AM (J2vNu)

178 Bulg, I miss Good Eats
Posted by: vmom

Yeah, that was a fun show. My wife and I quote lines from it all the time.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 10:08 AM (v6JzV)

179 "162 Carving at the table is a dicey proposition at best as well.

Carve, then serve."

Preach it!

Posted by: RS at November 25, 2024 10:08 AM (E7m29)

180 154
‘ why does the otherwise attractive young woman on the right have a pencil mustache?’

You found Rockwell’s Easter egg. The mustache
is there to suggest Joseph Stalin.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 25, 2024 10:08 AM (jbnUc)

181 The dad kind of resembles FDR a little bit.
Posted by: davidt at November 25, 2024

***
More like LBJ. Lookit them ears.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024 10:03 AM (J2vNu)

-----------------

I believe it was LBJ who started the meme "Excuse me ... while I whip this out."

/

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 10:08 AM (d73WM)

182 57 ... "Has anyone watched the new Ken Burns DaVinci series (think it's just 2 episodes long)? It's based on Walter Isaacson's book. Watched the first episode yesterday -- it is excellent!"

Lizzy, I mentioned it on the book thread yesterday. I thought it was a decent overview of the man but two episodes isn't enough to cover the subject. I wanted more detail on his painting and the techniques he used. But that's me. Glad you enjoyed it. If the shows make you want to learn more, check out the books about his paintings and drawings and his notebooks. They are worth the read.

Posted by: JTB at November 25, 2024 10:09 AM (yTvNw)

183 Speaking of the D of Ed, is Jimmy Carter still alive?
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 25, 2024 08:45 AM (2oLC

Oh crap, you're gonna summon the LET'S DANCE guy...
Posted by: XTC
----------------------------

You asked for it!!!

LETS DANCE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta3YkTdIQqE

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at November 25, 2024 10:09 AM (EFZgU)

184 Has anyone watched the new Ken Burns DaVinci series (think it's just 2 episodes long)? It's based on Walter Isaacson's book. Watched the first episode yesterday -- it is excellent!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 25, 2024 09:43 AM (u1uWe)

I watched both episodes...thought it was just...alright.

Concur. He was mostly going through the motions.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:09 AM (xCA6C)

185 But the art thread over at HotAir.com has a fantastic and vibrant commenter section. You should head over there if this post displeases you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

They always have that painting of naked Ed Morrisey on an ottoman. Ugh.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 10:10 AM (v6JzV)

186 179 Bulg, I miss Good Eats
Posted by: vmom

Yeah, that was a fun show. My wife and I quote lines from it all the time.
----------------
Yep. Well done, informative and entertaining. Alton Brown taught my wife how to make perfect gravy.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 25, 2024 10:10 AM (jFCkp)

187 I still like the scene, though.

Posted by: Bombadil at November 25, 2024 10:07 AM (MX0bI)

The scene is lovely! I think it is wonderful.

The title is offensive.

And Rockwell knew what he was doing...it was full-throated support of FDR and his drive to socialize America. Whether Rockwell was a true believer? I don't know, but his actions indicate that he took it seriously.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:10 AM (d9fT1)

188 Fine fine details, as you'd expect from Rockwell: Grandma's print dress, for example, and the lines on Grandpa's face. Even the celery stalks and the fruit on the table look as if you could pick them right up.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024 10:10 AM (J2vNu)

189 The whiteness in this painting is… I just can’t even right now.

Posted by: It is Go Time Donald at November 25, 2024 10:10 AM (VnatX)

190 Bulg, I miss Good Eats
Posted by: vmom

Yeah, that was a fun show. My wife and I quote lines from it all the time.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 10:08 AM (v6JzV)

I employ quite a few cooking techniques I learned from AB on that show.

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 10:10 AM (jgdZo)

191 Well, later, peeps. Gotta go shower and get dressed for my interview.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 10:11 AM (v6JzV)

192 Grandma's arms seem strange for someone holding a 20 pound+ bird on a platter.

Posted by: RS
__________

Yeah, I don't care about all the granny strength legends. She couldn't hold that weight in that position. Unless it's about to slam into the table with her faceplanting into the top of the turkey.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at November 25, 2024 10:11 AM (Dm8we)

193 But the art thread over at HotAir.com has a fantastic and vibrant commenter section. You should head over there if this post displeases you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

They always have that painting of naked Ed Morrisey on an ottoman. Ugh.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 10:10 AM (v6JzV)

Is that Otto-pundit?

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 10:11 AM (jgdZo)

194 Has anyone seen Martin Scorsese's 'The Saints?'

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 25, 2024 10:11 AM (jFCkp)

195 This painting does a great job depicting that magic moment when the table is set just before the Thanksgiving feast is about to begin and joyful anticipation is at its peak.

Would hang once a year in the dining room so everyone understands what's expected of them in TG day.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 25, 2024 10:12 AM (eDfFs)

196 Concur. He was mostly going through the motions.

Burns, not DaVinci.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:12 AM (xCA6C)

197 Well, later, peeps. Gotta go shower and get dressed for my interview.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 10:11 AM (v6JzV)

If you shower for the interview, they'll expect you to do that every day if you get the job. Ya might want to reconsider.

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 10:12 AM (jgdZo)

198 Has anyone checked under the table for Russians?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:12 AM (xCA6C)

199 Well, later, peeps. Gotta go shower and get dressed for my interview.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024
*
If you shower for the interview, they'll expect you to do that every day if you get the job. Ya might want to reconsider.
Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 1

***
"Begin as you wish to continue"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024 10:13 AM (J2vNu)

200 100 FDR was a dickhead.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

Bers!

To be fair, he was a dickhead first, before he became a Democrat

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NEXT Year In Corsicana - again! ~ at November 25, 2024 09:57 AM (hOUT3)

Yup, it's in his name. Franklin Dickhead Roosevelt.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 25, 2024 10:13 AM (VwHCD)

201 Can you imagine Thanksgiving dinner with Hillary? Cereally.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 25, 2024 10:13 AM (jFCkp)

202 How goes it, fellow insurrectionists?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:14 AM (GBKbO)

203 I never knew the title of this one. Yep the title makes it a bit suspect.

Posted by: ... at November 25, 2024 10:14 AM (12v8J)

204 "And Rockwell knew what he was doing...it was full-throated support of FDR and his drive to socialize America."

...

Aw, Jeez...I didn't need to know that.

Never mind. Happy Thanksgiving!

Posted by: Bombadil at November 25, 2024 10:14 AM (MX0bI)

205 I too was disappointed at all the important things left out of the Da Vinci documentary.

Posted by: renowned Harvard symbologist Robert Langdon at November 25, 2024 10:14 AM (OguvZ)

206 Can you imagine Thanksgiving dinner with Hillary? Cereally.

Any number of drunken, belligerent aunts come to mind.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:14 AM (xCA6C)

207 Notice the absence of morbid obesity in this picture. This is the America I remember.
Posted by: Pudinhead
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250lb max on the old spring scale at Casa de scampydog. New ones being sold max out at 400lbs.

Posted by: scampydog at November 25, 2024 10:14 AM (2bFN5)

208 Classic art in motion:

https://tinyurl.com/42apsack

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 25, 2024 10:15 AM (3KZZ8)

209 Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 10:12 AM (jgdZo)

Hey Doofenshmirtz, been enjoying your ONTs. Nice work.

Posted by: ... at November 25, 2024 10:15 AM (12v8J)

210 And ogling Lisa Douglas and the Shady Rest girls whenever they came to town!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024 10:05 AM (J2vNu)

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Petticoat Junction!

Damn, it never occurred to my prepubescent self that that was a double entendre ...

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 10:15 AM (d73WM)

211 I too was disappointed at all the important things left out of the Da Vinci documentary.

Fortunately, they did cover his probable homosexuality. It would have been tragic to leave that out.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:15 AM (xCA6C)

212 No doubt that's how Rockwell intended it.

Posted by: Bombadil at November 25, 2024 09:54 AM (MX0bI)

I doubt that very much.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

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"Freedom from Want" is the socialist motivation that twists the spirit of what most people think "freedom" to be. Most people think of freedom akin to liberty, but a socialist (and most Europeans, but that's repetitive) argues that a government should provide 'freedom from need (aka want)'. Which is incongruous with liberty. I have a hard time believing Rockwell was pure communist given how pro-American his work was (and a true communist can't support America), but it sounds like he was the more traditional Democrat / New Dealer who wanted government programs to counter 'robber barons'. And the "Freedom from Want" title sympathizes with that view. Tragically that more innocent quasi-socialist rock snowballs decades later into the woke insanity of today...

Posted by: bearski at November 25, 2024 10:16 AM (Bhsk7)

213 250lb max on the old spring scale at Casa de scampydog. New ones being sold max out at 400lbs.
Posted by: scampydog at November 25, 2024 10:14 AM (2bFN5)
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Or if they have a 2-for-1 sales on scales....

/math

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 25, 2024 10:16 AM (3KZZ8)

214 I admire the attempt at realism here but there's not enough family strife portrayed at the table.

At least one kid should be tears.

And two adults pointing fingers and bitching.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 25, 2024 10:16 AM (Q4IgG)

215 174 Notice the absence of morbid obesity in this picture. This is the America I remember.
Posted by: Pudinhead at November 25, 2024 10:08 AM (jFCkp)

You don’t even need to go back that far.

I remember in 3rd grade we had one “fat kid” in my class. Today that kid would be in the top 1/2 of the class in terms of weight health.

It just happened overnight it seems where everyone got fat. And you can’t blame it all on preservatives and shit in food. Plenty of packaged food and fast food existed in the 70s and 80s and people were still skinny.

Posted by: It is Go Time Donald at November 25, 2024 10:16 AM (VnatX)

216 How goes it, fellow insurrectionists?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:14 AM (GBKbO)

Welcome back! I mean - them's fighting words!

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 10:16 AM (jgdZo)

217 Or if they have a 2-for-1 sales on scales....

/math
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 25, 2024 10:16 AM (3KZZ

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/and physics

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 25, 2024 10:16 AM (3KZZ8)

218 Fortunately, they did cover his probable homosexuality. It would have been tragic to leave that out.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:15 AM (xCA6C)

of course

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 10:17 AM (Yj6Os)

219 But the art thread over at HotAir.com has a fantastic and vibrant commenter section. You should head over there if this post displeases you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDild

Dude. Calm down.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at November 25, 2024 10:17 AM (QXQsI)

220 217 How goes it, fellow insurrectionists?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:14 AM (GBKbO)

Welcome back! I mean - them's fighting words!
Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 10:16 AM (jgdZo)

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"them's fighting words"?

Those are fighting' words...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:18 AM (GBKbO)

221 Classic art in motion:

https://tinyurl.com/42apsack

That was really cool. Thanks. I especially liked the clips of Nappy B and Wanderer Above the Sea of Fog.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:18 AM (xCA6C)

222 Classic art in motion:

https://tinyurl.com/42apsack

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 25, 2024 10:15 AM (3KZZ

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Wow.

Now do Jackson Pollack and Hunter Biden ...

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 10:18 AM (d73WM)

223 Who wears a suit and tie for Thanksgiving? Posted by: BignJames

You're a sissy, and someday you might grow the hell up.
I usually wear a homespun shirt, leather singlet and a tricorn.
You just get off the boat, or what.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at November 25, 2024 10:18 AM (zdLoL)

224 Hey Doofenshmirtz, been enjoying your ONTs. Nice work.
Posted by: ... at November 25, 2024 10:15 AM (12v8J)

Thank you!

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 10:19 AM (jgdZo)

225 250lb max on the old spring scale at Casa de scampydog. New ones being sold max out at 400lbs.
Posted by: scampydog

Digital readout... one at a time, please.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at November 25, 2024 10:19 AM (lHzOd)

226 I employ quite a few cooking techniques I learned from AB on that show.

If you're going to do a traditional oven-roasted turkey, watch and follow his brining and roasting method. Perfect every time. Also, I loved his Rube Goldberg hoisting contraption for the deep-fried turkey.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 25, 2024 10:19 AM (/y8xj)

227 I don't see any politics in this picture. I see family and joy. We need more of it.

Posted by: Megthered at November 25, 2024 10:19 AM (Mtips)

228 It just happened overnight it seems where everyone got fat. And you can’t blame it all on preservatives and shit in food. Plenty of packaged food and fast food existed in the 70s and 80s and people were still skinny.

Not to worry. RFKJ will save us by telling us what rations we'll be allowed to eat.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:20 AM (xCA6C)

229 George Lincoln Rockwell… any relation to Norman Rockwell??

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2024 10:20 AM (PCK5/)

230 To me, this illustration celebrates family and intergenerational ties and some of the happiness of childhood memories, all in a distinctly American way. It's not a flag, but it's a banner.

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 10:20 AM (VnUSN)

231 ‘ why does the otherwise attractive young woman on the right have a pencil mustache?’

You found Rockwell’s Easter egg. The mustache
is there to suggest Joseph Stalin.
Posted by: Dr. Claw

Looks like the guy from NYC who wears a black suit and stops in Peoria.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 10:20 AM (UE7n4)

232 How goes it, fellow insurrectionists?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:14 AM (GBKbO)

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The consensus of The Horde is that Dolly will likely need to take maternity leave sometime next year ...

/only half-joking

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 10:20 AM (v6zUe)

233 "them's fighting words"?

Those are fighting' words...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:18 AM (GBKbO)

No need to put the apostrophe at the end if the g is there. Did your brain get scrambled while you were at sea??

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 10:21 AM (jgdZo)

234 It just happened overnight it seems where everyone got fat. And you can’t blame it all on preservatives and shit in food. Plenty of packaged food and fast food existed in the 70s and 80s and people were still skinny.

Lot less office jobs where people sit on their ass for eight hours. Me included.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 10:22 AM (UE7n4)

235 It just happened overnight it seems where everyone got fat. And you can’t blame it all on preservatives and shit in food. Plenty of packaged food and fast food existed in the 70s and 80s and people were still skinny.

---------------

Sedentary lifestyle.

I have a horrible diet but exercise regularly -- and have been blessed with excellent health.

Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 10:22 AM (v6zUe)

236 Actually I think they spell tyranny
Posted by: Smell the Glove

********

Exactly

That's why I cut the quote right there. This is the distinction CBD and others are making.

If the "Freedom from Want" came from the hard work and perseverance of Grandma and Grandpa and the family farm, that would be one thing.

But this was painted in 1942 and made the Saturday Evening Post cover in 1943 and echoes FDR's 1941 speech of the Four Freedoms.

in the waning years of WWII when Britain was promising the populace NHS and old age pensions for all in return for the sacrifices made during the war years, and The US was on the brink of a massive expansion of social welfare programs.

Posted by: muldoon at November 25, 2024 10:22 AM (991eG)

237 Another fan of Good Eats. I learned a lot from that show. His Thanksgiving one hour episode, "Romancing The Bird" taught me a lot (and was funny as well). That brining method makes a huge difference.

Posted by: JTB at November 25, 2024 10:23 AM (yTvNw)

238 ttps://tinyurl.com/42apsack

That was really cool. Thanks. I especially liked the clips of Nappy B and Wanderer Above the Sea of Fog.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024

***
The girl at :23 looked especially lifelike. And Napoleon began to resemble Marlon Brando by :44 -- but still, great work.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024 10:23 AM (J2vNu)

239 188 I still like the scene, though.

Posted by: Bombadil at November 25, 2024 10:07 AM (MX0bI)

The scene is lovely! I think it is wonderful.

The title is offensive.

And Rockwell knew what he was doing...it was full-throated support of FDR and his drive to socialize America. Whether Rockwell was a true believer? I don't know, but his actions indicate that he took it seriously.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:10 AM (d9fT1)

Nobody reads the titles of paintings, except art world folks. The 99.9% of folks who view this will think "this is Thanksgiving in America, and damn I want that for me"...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 25, 2024 10:23 AM (exHjb)

240 173 I think CBD is playing up the schtick a bit.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 25, 2024 10:08 AM (JQfE3)

Then he forgot a snark tag!

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 10:23 AM (VnUSN)

241 233 The consensus of The Horde is that Dolly will likely need to take maternity leave sometime next year ...

/only half-joking
Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 10:20 AM (v6zUe)

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Well...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:23 AM (GBKbO)

242
Denounce New Deal crypto communism or be gone!

Gotta go to work I guess (slithers away)

Posted by: Auspex at November 25, 2024 10:23 AM (j4U/Z)

243 234 No need to put the apostrophe at the end if the g is there. Did your brain get scrambled while you were at sea??
Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 10:21 AM (jgdZo)

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Well, I did get a 103 degree fever at one point.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:23 AM (GBKbO)

244 The war on protein and fat was a killer.

Posted by: ... at November 25, 2024 10:24 AM (12v8J)

245 The consensus of The Horde is that Dolly will likely need to take maternity leave sometime next year ...

/only half-joking
Posted by: ShainS -- We shot them under DOD Directive 5240.01 at November 25, 2024 10:20 AM (v6zUe)

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Well...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:23 AM (GBKbO)

So you DO get it

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 10:24 AM (jgdZo)

246 I admire the attempt at realism here but there's not enough family strife portrayed at the table.

At least one kid should be tears.

And two adults pointing fingers and bitching.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

No wine or scotch glasses. Not even tea or sodas. Just water.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 10:24 AM (UE7n4)

247 It just happened overnight it seems where everyone got fat. And you can’t blame it all on preservatives and shit in food. Plenty of packaged food and fast food existed in the 70s and 80s and people were still skinny.

Lot less office jobs where people sit on their ass for eight hours. Me included.
Posted by: rickb223
_________

And more smoking.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at November 25, 2024 10:24 AM (Dm8we)

248 And the participants are so White! Rockwell couldn't do that these days.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at November 25, 2024 10:25 AM (cB7nX)

249 246 So you DO get it
Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 10:24 AM (jgdZo)

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Well, that, I do.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:25 AM (GBKbO)

250 This is not a great rationalization but:

Consider that a "blanket pardon" of any who committed crimes on J6 ... would include all the deep state paid provocateurs, agents and instigators.

Is that why the word is out that it'll be case-by-case?
IDK.
Like a say, it's not a great reason, but should be a consideration.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 25, 2024 10:26 AM (8Kx9y)

251 If you're searching the thread for comments from CBD, like I did, go with (d9fT1).

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 10:26 AM (VnUSN)

252 No wine or scotch glasses. Not even tea or sodas. Just water.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 10:24 AM (UE7n4)

No sweet taters.

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 10:26 AM (Yj6Os)

253 You don’t even need to go back that far.

I remember in 3rd grade we had one “fat kid” in my class. Today that kid would be in the top 1/2 of the class in terms of weight health.

It just happened overnight it seems where everyone got fat. And you can’t blame it all on preservatives and shit in food. Plenty of packaged food and fast food existed in the 70s and 80s and people were still skinny.

Posted by: It is Go Time Donald at November 25, 2024 10:16 AM (VnatX)

Apparently, you can blame the 90's loophole of GRAS - generally recognized as safe. Companies have abused that to no end since it was allowed, and that's how crap has gotten in our food. It wasn't known til Great Harvest almost killed folks (cost 39 gall bladders and counting) with an ingredient a Peruvian company self-certified as good 2 years ago for a vegan product...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 25, 2024 10:26 AM (exHjb)

254 3.The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
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Already made a mockery of via Wickard v. Filburn.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 25, 2024 10:26 AM (z0QHk)

255 Who wears a suit and tie for Thanksgiving? Posted by: BignJames

***
I may not wear a tie this Thurs. when we go out to eat, but I will wear a sport coat, nice shirt and slacks, and Crocs.

Not really; I'll wear brown oxford shoes; but I gotcha there, huh?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024 10:26 AM (J2vNu)

256 what is that little item that looks like a flan, just below the things that look like celery or fennel?

Posted by: kallisto at November 25, 2024 10:27 AM (dCxaZ)

257 I will just take this painting at its’ face value, and skip deeper analysis… happier that way.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2024 10:27 AM (PCK5/)

258 253 No wine or scotch glasses. Not even tea or sodas. Just water.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 10:24 AM (UE7n4)

No sweet taters.
Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 10:26 AM (Yj6Os)

They could be inside that china tureen.

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 10:27 AM (VnUSN)

259 Apparently, you can blame the 90's loophole of GRAS - generally recognized as safe. Companies have abused that to no end since it was allowed, and that's how crap has gotten in our food. It wasn't known til Great Harvest almost killed folks (cost 39 gall bladders and counting) with an ingredient a Peruvian company self-certified as good 2 years ago for a vegan product...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 25, 2024

***
"Gras" is the French word for "fat." Coincidence? YOu make the call. . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024 10:28 AM (J2vNu)

260 Gros.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2024 10:28 AM (PCK5/)

261 "The GRAS loophole was originally intended to cover ingredients that are already known to be safe, such as vegetable oil, flour, baking soda, and spices. In 1997, the FDA loosened the existing protocol, creating the “voluntary notification” system." 1997 is the date we all started getting killed by US companies...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 25, 2024 10:28 AM (exHjb)

262 No sweet taters.
Posted by: BignJames

No wonder they were skinny. An emu, some celery and some wax fruit.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 10:28 AM (UE7n4)

263 what is that little item that looks like a flan, just below the things that look like celery or fennel?
Posted by: kallisto at November 25, 2024

Just below the celery? Jello, maybe.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024 10:28 AM (J2vNu)

264 257 what is that little item that looks like a flan, just below the things that look like celery or fennel?
Posted by: kallisto at November 25, 2024 10:27 AM (dCxaZ)

Jellied cranberry sauce?

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 10:28 AM (VnUSN)

265 Grandpa needs a better fork and knife for that bird.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 25, 2024 10:29 AM (LetHV)

266 Can you imagine Thanksgiving dinner with Hillary? Cereally.
Posted by: Pudinhead

************

Muldoon: "Hey, who brought the empty wine box?"

Hillary: "Hic!"

Posted by: muldoon at November 25, 2024 10:29 AM (991eG)

267 263 No sweet taters.
Posted by: BignJames

No wonder they were skinny. An emu, some celery and some wax fruit.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 10:28 AM (UE7n4)

Emu is very tasty.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2024 10:29 AM (PCK5/)

268 Now I want some sweet potatoes.

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 10:29 AM (VnUSN)

269 They could be inside that china tureen.
Posted by: m

China or silver?

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 10:29 AM (UE7n4)

270 ... and I mean NOW.

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 10:29 AM (VnUSN)

271 @257 That is aspic jelly. Gelatin derived from boiling bones. My hubbies MeMaw made a version with veggies in it. I miss her dearly but not her aspic jelly....

Posted by: Scarymary at November 25, 2024 10:30 AM (K1HkL)

272 what is that little item that looks like a flan, just below the things that look like celery or fennel?

Posted by: kallisto at November 25, 2024 10:27 AM (dCxaZ)

liver mush

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 10:30 AM (Yj6Os)

273 and where are the manicotti?

and the wedding soup??

Posted by: kallisto, whose family celebrated thanksgiving Italian style at November 25, 2024 10:30 AM (dCxaZ)

274 Isn't art in the eye of the beholder? A painting doesn't just reflect the views of the artist. It reflects the views of the observer.

Who cares what the artist thinks? I'm viewing the work, not someone's politics. I wonder what Vermeer's politics were. Should I investigate before admiring his art?

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 25, 2024 10:31 AM (SfhV1)

275 and where are the manicotti?

and the wedding soup??
Posted by: kallisto

Probably a 1,000 miles east in NYC's Little Italy.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 10:31 AM (UE7n4)

276 270 They could be inside that china tureen.
Posted by: m

China or silver?
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 10:29 AM (UE7n4)

The base makes me think china, but hmm.

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 10:32 AM (VnUSN)

277 I'm with grammie.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at November 25, 2024 10:32 AM (ya/XM)

278 https://tinyurl.com/42apsack

That was really cool. Thanks. I especially liked the clips of Nappy B and Wanderer Above the Sea of Fog.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024

***
The girl at :23 looked especially lifelike. And Napoleon began to resemble Marlon Brando by :44 -- but still, great work.

***
The girl at :23 to :25 looks awfully familiar, too, but I can't put a name to her.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 25, 2024 10:32 AM (J2vNu)

279 Freedom from Want, also known as The Thanksgiving Picture or I'll Be Home for Christmas, is the third of the Four Freedoms series of four oil paintings by American artist Norman Rockwell. The works were inspired by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt's 1941 State of the Union Address, known as Four Freedoms. Wikipedia
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Who could hold a real cooked 20+ lb. turkey at that position and place on the table without tumbling sideways or spilling the plate? Yeah, maybe Grandmom so many decades ago.

Water glasses, celery, salt cellars and parsley decorating meat, fish, or fowl platters was the family norm even for our raucous crews at Thanksgiving and Sunday dinners, all served between 1 and 2 pm.

Anyway, it's still a sweet painting and a lovely start of the art week.

Thanks.

Posted by: L - Rooster today, feather duster tomorrow. But not w/o a fight. at November 25, 2024 10:32 AM (NFX2v)

280 No wine or scotch glasses. Not even tea or sodas. Just water.

Could be vodka.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 25, 2024 10:32 AM (/y8xj)

281 275 Isn't art in the eye of the beholder? A painting doesn't just reflect the views of the artist. It reflects the views of the observer.

Who cares what the artist thinks? I'm viewing the work, not someone's politics. I wonder what Vermeer's politics were. Should I investigate before admiring his art?
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 25, 2024 10:31 AM (SfhV1)

It’s politics all the way down right now… post election victory exuberance.. it’ll susbside.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2024 10:33 AM (PCK5/)

282 The base makes me think china, but hmm.
Posted by: m

Yeah. Base and lid look china. But the handles look silver.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 25, 2024 10:33 AM (UE7n4)

283 Gripes about The Four Freedoms notwithstanding, I highly recommend the Rockwell Museum in Stockbridge, if you have the opportunity to visit.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 25, 2024 10:33 AM (ZANHd)

284 It was a simpler time that maybe never exactly existed but I miss it and they are why we're here.

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 10:33 AM (VnUSN)

285 Probably a 1,000 miles east in NYC's Little Italy.

IIRC Rockwell was from new England. so those goodies would be closer, like the North End of Boston or Providence RI

Posted by: kallisto at November 25, 2024 10:33 AM (dCxaZ)

286 Could be vodka.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 25, 2024 10:32 AM (/y8xj)

shine

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 10:33 AM (Yj6Os)

287 My family's one, enduring Thanksgiving tradition; Bloody Mary's during the day. I don't drink them often, but more than make up for it on Thanksgiving.

Dad would be so proud.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 25, 2024 10:33 AM (Q4IgG)

288 No pride flags? None of the kids announcing their pronouns and demanding to be called stunning and brave? What Hell on Earth is this?

Posted by: NR Pax at November 25, 2024 10:34 AM (lXoJ5)

289 Could be vodka.
Posted by: Oddbob at November 25, 2024 10:32 AM (/y8xj)
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Or gin.

"Always drink gin with a mark, kid. He can't tell if you've cut it."

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 25, 2024 10:34 AM (z0QHk)

290 The little girl at upper left looks like she has a SPIDER coming out of her hair.

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 10:35 AM (VnUSN)

291 Who cares what the artist thinks? I'm viewing the work, not someone's politics. I wonder what Vermeer's politics were. Should I investigate before admiring his art?
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 25, 2024 10:31 AM (SfhV1)

If the title of the piece gives away what the artist thinks it's worth at least paying attention to.

Posted by: ... at November 25, 2024 10:35 AM (12v8J)

292 Dad would be so proud.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 25, 2024 10:33 AM (Q4IgG)

Bloody Marys sounds like a very good idea!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:35 AM (yLvqS)

293 Classic art in motion:

https://tinyurl.com/42apsack

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 25, 2024 10:15 AM (3KZZ

Very cool. Reminds me of an animated film called Loving Vincent. All animation was done in the style of Van Gogh paintings. It incorporates many of his more famous works. It tells a story of his last few months as a mystery. An investigator is talking with people trying to determine if it really was suicide or, perhaps, something more sinister. Also very cool animation.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at November 25, 2024 10:35 AM (4XwPj)

294 Looking at this painting from an artist's POV, the limited palette strikes me. It's just white, blues and various gold/sepia tones...very effective in establishing a light filled environment.

and happy too

Posted by: kallisto at November 25, 2024 10:35 AM (dCxaZ)

295 @283 Stockbridge just lost its other landmark:
Alice, from Alice's Restaurant, has passed away.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at November 25, 2024 10:36 AM (zdLoL)

296 Sometimes a turkey is just a turkey.

Posted by: runner at November 25, 2024 10:36 AM (QTCRF)

297 IIRC Rockwell was from new England. so those goodies would be closer, like the North End of Boston or Providence RI
Posted by: kallisto at November 25, 2024 10:33 AM

Stockbridge. Western MA. About 5 miles from the NY line.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 25, 2024 10:37 AM (ZANHd)

298 If someone paints a picture of an eagle draped in red white and blue and calls it The Great Satan, I want to know.

That said, it wouldn't really offend me at this point because honestly I kind of get it.

Posted by: ... at November 25, 2024 10:37 AM (12v8J)

299 Is it a Norman Rockwell week? yay. I love love his paintings.

Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at November 25, 2024 10:37 AM (EmT/E)

300 All of these rights spell security.

Posted by: muldoon at November 25, 2024 09:51 AM (991eG)

That's a terrible limerick!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

********

Sifhgh, fine

Alphabets Soup Kitchen - a limerick

Roosevelt's speech promised surety
With big dose of left winger purity
WPA, TVA, SSA
HHS, NRA, FHA
All together that spells: Soocial Innsecurity"

Posted by: muldoon at November 25, 2024 10:37 AM (991eG)

301 Bloody Marys sounds like a very good idea!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:35 AM (yLvqS)

Is V8 juice ok?

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 10:37 AM (Yj6Os)

302 If the title of the piece gives away what the artist thinks it's worth at least paying attention to.

Posted by: ... at November 25, 2024 10:35 AM (12v8J)

I see "Freedom From Want" and I think "God Shed His Grace On Thee."

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 25, 2024 10:37 AM (SfhV1)

303 @283 Stockbridge just lost its other landmark:
Alice, from Alice's Restaurant, has passed away.
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at November 25, 2024 10:36 AM

*doffs hat*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 25, 2024 10:37 AM (ZANHd)

304 Looking at this painting from an artist's POV, the limited palette strikes me. It's just white, blues and various gold/sepia tones...very effective in establishing a light filled environment.

and happy too
Posted by: kallisto at November 25, 2024 10:35 AM (dCxaZ)
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I've always thought Rockwell's palette was rather muddy. Did a lot with it, though.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 25, 2024 10:38 AM (z0QHk)

305 Sifhgh. = sigh

Posted by: muldoon at November 25, 2024 10:38 AM (991eG)

306 I’m sorry, I must quote Alan Lichtman and declare this post to be Blasphemy.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2024 10:38 AM (Ereai)

307 Isn't art in the eye of the beholder? A painting doesn't just reflect the views of the artist. It reflects the views of the observer.

Who cares what the artist thinks? I'm viewing the work, not someone's politics. I wonder what Vermeer's politics were. Should I investigate before admiring his art?
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 25, 2024 10:31 AM (SfhV1)

I see CBD's point, though. Rockwell's choice of title brings implications to the painting. Rockwell connected a political theme -- not CBD. If one can ignore the connection - so be it. But if one doesn't ignore the connection, and thereby points it out as part of an overall discussion of the work - that's still well within the "eye of the beholder" thing.

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 10:38 AM (jgdZo)

308 Stockbridge. Western MA. About 5 miles from the NY line.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 25, 2024 10:37 AM (ZANHd)

Oh wow I attended a wedding there once. The woman was a narcissistic shrew hag but the egg rolls were to die for.

Posted by: ... at November 25, 2024 10:38 AM (12v8J)

309 Grandpa looks like Bibi Netanyahu with Obama ears.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 25, 2024 10:38 AM (2ocoG)

310 301 Bloody Marys sounds like a very good idea!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:35 AM (yLvqS)

Is V8 juice ok?
Posted by: BignJames

Cesar >> Bloody Mary

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at November 25, 2024 10:39 AM (ya/XM)

311 I’m sorry, I must quote Alan Lichtman and declare this post to be Blasphemy.

CBD is actually Cenk's Brown Dildo?

Posted by: Ian S. at November 25, 2024 10:39 AM (2ocoG)

312 Rockwell created paintings for each of Roosevelt's "Four Freedoms" during the war. I like all of the justly-famous paintings. Roosevelt's concept, not so much.
https://www.nrm.org/2012/10/collections-four-freedoms/

Posted by: IronDave at November 25, 2024 10:39 AM (k3crU)

313

I see "Freedom From Want" and I think "God Shed His Grace On Thee."
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 25, 2024 10:37 AM (SfhV1)

Perhaps. But I think the zeitgeist at the time was this idea that Daddy Government was there to save you. I'll do some reading on it.

Posted by: ... at November 25, 2024 10:40 AM (12v8J)

314 Sometimes a turkey is just a turkey.

Posted by: runner

Hey! Don't talk about CBD like that!

Posted by: Bombadil at November 25, 2024 10:40 AM (MX0bI)

315 Luke Skywalker, 11/4/24.

https://is.gd/Tuc9KA

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 25, 2024 10:41 AM (L/fGl)

316 Pass the jellied cranberries, please. It wiggles and shimmies!

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 25, 2024 10:41 AM (Aqu9a)

317 A reporter actually did his job that day and asked, "What if the unemployed person didn't want the job the government assigned him?" And the answer? "Well that person would be forced to take it of course"
Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2024 09:39 AM (oZhjI)

You mean like if that person was black, and the job was picking cotton?

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2024 10:41 AM (Ereai)

318 The title wasn't intended ironically was it?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:41 AM (GBKbO)

319 Muldoon: "Hey, who brought the empty wine box?"

I saw something over the weekend about how one of the former USSR countries had box vodka on sale. Now that's the real Val-U-Rite.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 25, 2024 10:42 AM (2ocoG)

320 Harmeet Dhillon is off to Alaska, to handle legal issues on the Alaska recount.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 25, 2024 10:42 AM (gfViB)

321 Isn't art in the eye of the beholder? A painting doesn't just reflect the views of the artist. It reflects the views of the observer.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at November 25, 2024 10:31 AM (SfhV1)

Yep. An artist may have an intention, but everyone gets to interpret their work in their own way.

"You weren't supposed to take it like that!" is my favorite whine from artists, musicians, filmmakers etc.

Posted by: spindrift at November 25, 2024 10:42 AM (OguvZ)

322 Is that Norman himself in the lower left?

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at November 25, 2024 10:43 AM (wzAuc)

323 321 Yep. An artist may have an intention, but everyone gets to interpret their work in their own way.

"You weren't supposed to take it like that!" is my favorite whine from artists, musicians, filmmakers etc.
Posted by: spindrift at November 25, 2024 10:42 AM (OguvZ)

=======

But ignoring parts of the art (like the title) and interpreting it absent that chosen excision weakens an argument.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:43 AM (GBKbO)

324 "That's a big bird. 20 pounder?
Posted by: spindrift"

Granny's been working out.

Posted by: eleven at November 25, 2024 10:43 AM (fV+MH)

325 I'm sure it's been mentioned but, recall W's trip to Iraq for Thanksgiving?

"iT wAZ a PLaztIC TurKeY!"

It was amazing that the media insisted on printing the lie no matter what just to attack him.

And that was 20 years ago.
Now they are so much worse.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 25, 2024 10:43 AM (8Kx9y)

326 I remember that there was a bit of unpleasantness going on when this painting was made.. people were pretty supportive of Roosevelt during this time, his ideology notwithstanding.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2024 10:44 AM (PCK5/)

327 The Bongino STFU.

Bill Kristol@BillKristol
I don’t personally know Rep. Nancy Mace or Rep. Sarah McBride, and I can’t say I’ve thoroughly researched their biographies or political views. But I’ve seen enough in recent days to say this: I am very grateful to be of the party of Sarah McBride, and not that of Nancy Mace.

Dan Bongino@dbongino
We’re grateful too Bill.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 25, 2024 10:44 AM (L/fGl)

328 325 I'm sure it's been mentioned but, recall W's trip to Iraq for Thanksgiving?

"iT wAZ a PLaztIC TurKeY!"

It was amazing that the media insisted on printing the lie no matter what just to attack him.

And that was 20 years ago.
Now they are so much worse.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 25, 2024 10:43 AM (8Kx9y)

=======

They wouldn't have done that to a quality candidate.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:44 AM (GBKbO)

329 Good thing there are no mashed taters on that table, or the Horde would be throwing them at each other by now.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 25, 2024 10:44 AM (LxER7)

330 Is V8 juice ok?

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 10:37 AM (Yj6Os)

yes

Posted by: kallisto at November 25, 2024 10:44 AM (dCxaZ)

331 No pride flags? None of the kids announcing their pronouns and demanding to be called stunning and brave? What Hell on Earth is this?

Ah, you've solved the mystery of the woman with the pencil mustache! She's a tranny.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:45 AM (xCA6C)

332 I had forgotten all about the old Val-u-rite meme.

Posted by: eleven at November 25, 2024 10:45 AM (fV+MH)

333 317 A reporter actually did his job that day and asked, "What if the unemployed person didn't want the job the government assigned him?" And the answer? "Well that person would be forced to take it of course"
Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2024 09:39 AM (oZhjI)

You mean like if that person was black, and the job was picking cotton?
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2024 10:41 AM (Ereai)

from the tech thread:

116
Democrats 2019:
Without illegal aliens who will pick our crops?

Democrats 1860:
Without black slaves who will pick our cotton?
shows they still have a slave owner mentality

@akafacehots
Nov 24
Democrats be like
Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 07:16 AM (VnUSN)

Horde!

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 10:45 AM (VnUSN)

334 I saw something over the weekend about how one of the former USSR countries had box vodka on sale. Now that's the real Val-U-Rite.

**********

My D=I=L was in Australia for work a while back and bought red wine in a pop-top can at a burger joint///

Posted by: muldoon at November 25, 2024 10:46 AM (991eG)

335 334 My D=I=L was in Australia for work a while back and bought red wine in a pop-top can at a burger joint///
Posted by: muldoon at November 25, 2024 10:46 AM (991eG)

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You can buy those in America.

We bought one out of curiosity once. It was gross.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:46 AM (GBKbO)

336 Perhaps freedom from want is a tribute to the productive capacity of the American economy, which leads to things like bounteous harvests and ample food for most, if not - this being the real world - all. Regardless of any ulterior motives FDR may have had in declaring the four freedoms, the freedoms themselves are laudable goals (and two are constitutional rights), although naturally freedom from want can, and has been, used as an excuse for larger and more intrusive and oppressive government. Nonetheless, picking a fight with Norman Rockwell over this painting - which most people, the title notwithstanding, view fondly as a specimen of that great American tradition, the Thanksgiving dinner - seems a bit ...curmudgeonly.

Posted by: Paco at November 25, 2024 10:46 AM (njExo)

337 327
Bill Kristol@BillKristol
I don’t personally know Rep. Nancy Mace or Rep. Sarah McBride, and I can’t say I’ve thoroughly researched their biographies or political views. But I’ve seen enough in recent days to say this: I am very grateful to be of the party of Sarah McBride, and not that of Nancy Mace.

Dan Bongino@dbongino
We’re grateful too Bill.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 25, 2024 10:44 AM (L/fGl)

Even thankful!

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 10:47 AM (VnUSN)

338 Relax, everyone. I'm sure this is nothing.

zerohedge@zerohedge
US Officials Discussed Giving Nuclear Weapons To Ukraine

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 25, 2024 10:47 AM (L/fGl)

339 I've made Blood Mary's with V-8 before. It just needs to be jacked up a bit. And the spicey version is just shit for a mix. Ask me how I know...

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 25, 2024 10:48 AM (Q4IgG)

340 Is V8 juice ok?

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 10:37 AM (Yj6Os)

yes

Posted by: kallisto at November 25, 2024 10:44 AM (dCxaZ)

I think it's fine...but I know CBD can be...persnickety.

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 10:48 AM (Yj6Os)

341 I'm not calling Norman Rockwell a crypto-communist, but this is a rare misstep in a long career that is marked by his respect for and celebration of America.

Posted by: CBD at 09:30 AM
Maybe you meant ‘freedom from want to pay my own way’?

Posted by: Eromero at November 25, 2024 10:48 AM (jgmnb)

342 I am very grateful to be of the party of Sarah McBride, and not that of Nancy Mace.

Well, Bill, the real question is "are the Dems happy to have you in their party?" It's my guess they view you with contempt, and as merely a useful idiot.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2024 10:49 AM (xCA6C)

343 Nonetheless, picking a fight with Norman Rockwell over this painting - which most people, the title notwithstanding, view fondly as a specimen of that great American tradition, the Thanksgiving dinner - seems a bit ...curmudgeonly.

Posted by: Paco at November 25, 2024 10:46 AM (njExo)

You want a curmudgeon?

Just wait until tomorrow!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:49 AM (yLvqS)

344 Nonetheless, picking a fight [ ... ] seems a bit ...curmudgeonly.

You new here, bro?

Posted by: Oddbob at November 25, 2024 10:49 AM (/y8xj)

345 20 CBD, are you having a bad day?

This looks to me like many an intergenerational Turkey Day as celebrated by my family, all of whom worked their a*ses to make sure they had food on the table and shelter for their families!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar
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Beat me to it.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 25, 2024 10:49 AM (om3Wy)

346 "Freedom from Want is actually a derisive swipe at FDR. In the painting we see no government hand delivering food or services. We see only a family, brought together by an American tradition, and collecting their things together voluntarily, without force from a third party. Freedom from Want is in the American character, according to this painting, not something government can force."
-probably not, but an effort to use the title within criticism of the art that goes against the interpretation that CBD put forward...I know almost nothing of Rockwell

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:49 AM (GBKbO)

347 Is that Norman himself in the lower left?
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at November 25, 2024 10:43 AM (wzAuc)
-

It ain't Alfred Hitchcock!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 25, 2024 10:49 AM (3KZZ8)

348 Mr. and Mrs. T Bloody Mary Mix
https://youtu.be/Pz1AdzVLnuY

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2024 10:50 AM (jgdZo)

349 I'm not calling Norman Rockwell a crypto-communist, but this is a rare misstep in a long career that is marked by his respect for and celebration of America.

Dang. Did zombie Norman Rockwell pour pure Vermont Grade B maple syrup on CBD's French Toast this morning?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 25, 2024 10:51 AM (TTO0Z)

350 Holding on too tight dude.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at November 25, 2024 10:51 AM (Z8Yh2)

351 There is a pastiche of this painting in the closing credits of "Lilo and Stitch."

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 25, 2024 10:51 AM (z0QHk)

352 Ah well, the pot of shit hath been stirred… Mondays, whatcha gonna do??

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2024 10:51 AM (PCK5/)

353 "Freedom From Want" is what capitalism is all about.

Is this a social contract between the government and the American people? Hell, no.

The government is NOT the economy.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 25, 2024 10:52 AM (RIvkX)

354 What I hate most about the W in Iraq for Thanksgiving lie was, they went so insane to push the lie, for the biggest reason, to keep American's from seeing how much the troops appreciated and enjoyed that he was there.

While they were running daily "grim milestone" counters of the deaths each night on the news.

And you could just feel the hate ooze off of the media at that visual because they knew how authentic it was and that no Democrat will ever get that kind of reception from the troops.
Not even their President Dream Date Obama.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 25, 2024 10:52 AM (8Kx9y)

355 343 Nonetheless, picking a fight with Norman Rockwell over this painting - which most people, the title notwithstanding, view fondly as a specimen of that great American tradition, the Thanksgiving dinner - seems a bit ...curmudgeonly.

Posted by: Paco at November 25, 2024 10:46 AM (njExo)

You want a curmudgeon?

Just wait until tomorrow!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:49 AM (yLvqS)

uh-oh

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 10:52 AM (VnUSN)

356 You want a curmudgeon?

Just wait until tomorrow!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:49 AM

Freud incoming!!!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 25, 2024 10:53 AM (TTO0Z)

357 336 Perhaps freedom from want is a tribute to the productive capacity of the American economy, which leads to things like bounteous harvests and ample food for most, if not - this being the real world - all. Regardless of any ulterior motives FDR may have had in declaring the four freedoms, the freedoms themselves are laudable goals (and two are constitutional rights), although naturally freedom from want can, and has been, used as an excuse for larger and more intrusive and oppressive government. Nonetheless, picking a fight with Norman Rockwell over this painting - which most people, the title notwithstanding, view fondly as a specimen of that great American tradition, the Thanksgiving dinner - seems a bit ...curmudgeonly.
Posted by: Paco at November 25, 2024 10:46 AM (njExo)

I agree with you on all this. I would have left off most of the last sentence, but that's just me!

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 10:53 AM (VnUSN)

358 Merry Christmas movie!

Juanita Broaddrick@atensnut
OMG! CNN and MSNBC ratings have lost out to Hallmark. Hallmark has more viewers than CNN or MSNBC.

-
Well, Hallmark Christmas movies are more in touch with reality.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 25, 2024 10:53 AM (L/fGl)

359 You want freedom from want?
Then roll up your sleeves, go to work, and earn it.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 25, 2024 10:54 AM (W/lyH)

360 > You want a curmudgeon?

Just wait until tomorrow!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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I've marked by calendar. This will be good.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 25, 2024 10:54 AM (Q4IgG)

361 The art is excellent, the title is not.

Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia) at November 25, 2024 10:55 AM (SSBCb)

362 I waaant it, I waaaant it, I waaant it...

You caaaan't have it!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 25, 2024 10:55 AM (z0QHk)

363 Given the currently desire of communist Europe to plan agriculture and tell people what they can and can't eat or raise, freedom from want is a good thing. I can get what I want. Not what I'm told to want by urban elites. I'll accept Rockwell's painting as validation tradition and not as a " government granted turkey. Nothing in that picture suggests poverty or welfare.

Posted by: Enough BS at November 25, 2024 10:55 AM (2NXcZ)

364 Freud incoming!!!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 25, 2024 10:53 AM (TTO0Z)

Worse.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:55 AM (yLvqS)

365 364 Freud incoming!!!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 25, 2024 10:53 AM (TTO0Z)

Worse.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:55 AM (yLvqS)

======

It's not pretty.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at November 25, 2024 10:55 AM (GBKbO)

366 361 The art is excellent, the title is not.
Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia) at November 25, 2024 10:55 AM (SSBCb)

Then maybe think of it as “ Family Thanksgiving” like I do.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2024 10:56 AM (PCK5/)

367 Planning to be a curmudgeon kinda saps the magic. Being a curmudgeon should be natural and organic.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 25, 2024 10:56 AM (RIvkX)

368 Merry Christmas movie!

Juanita Broaddrick@atensnut
OMG! CNN and MSNBC ratings have lost out to Hallmark. Hallmark has more viewers than CNN or MSNBC.

-
Well, Hallmark Christmas movies are more in touch with reality.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at November 25, 2024 10:53 AM (L/fGl)
***

CNN needs to hire Lacey Chebert and Jill Wagner.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 25, 2024 10:56 AM (W/lyH)

369 This painting brought a tear to my eye.

I'm definitely getting "Old".

Posted by: pawn at November 25, 2024 10:56 AM (QB+5g)

370 You want a curmudgeon?

Just wait until tomorrow!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:49 AM
-

Taters gonna Tate!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 25, 2024 10:56 AM (3KZZ8)

371 Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia)

Are you STIL.L in the hospital? You're going to be in the repair shop longer than JJ's computer at this rate.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 10:56 AM (v6JzV)

372 Freud incoming!!!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 25, 2024 10:53 AM (TTO0Z)

Worse.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:55 AM (yLvqS)
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Klimt? Pollock?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 25, 2024 10:56 AM (z0QHk)

373 A small museum in Appleton, WI had a showing of Rockwell paintings a few years ago. Almost every work was on display. Spent hours there. A fantastic day.

Posted by: French Jeton at November 25, 2024 10:56 AM (VDSsj)

374 There's really not a lot of food going on in that illustration. Mainly turkey. There's probably some bread on an adjacent table. It all seems more about the celebration than the bounty.

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 10:56 AM (VnUSN)

375 359. And there's no reason to believe the adults in that picture didn't work or earn it. And at that time the already rich hadn't shipped manufacturing to China to become even richer.

Posted by: Enough BS at November 25, 2024 10:57 AM (2NXcZ)

376 Musk would never make a dime off MSNBC, but he might buy it just as a big “Fuck You!!!” To all of his critics. Imagine him making it a podcast/broadcast channel.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2024 10:57 AM (Ereai)

377 364 Freud incoming!!!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 25, 2024 10:53 AM (TTO0Z)

Worse.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:55 AM (yLvqS)

Note to self: Pick up hazmat suit from cleaners this afternoon.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 25, 2024 10:57 AM (LxER7)

378 I want a new drug.

Posted by: Huey Lewis at November 25, 2024 10:57 AM (OguvZ)

379 You want a curmudgeon?

Just wait until tomorrow!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2024 10:49 AM
-

Taters gonna Tate!
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 25, 2024 10:56 AM (3KZZ

***

Freedom from Ottomans?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 25, 2024 10:57 AM (W/lyH)

380 I always had the sense that the British public was clamoring for government social welfare services in the wake of Dunkirk, the Battle of Britain and the threat of Nazi invasion, as their due recompense.

While in the USA, the sense was more, "win the war so the boys can get back home to their gals, their folks, their hometowns and building hot rods". Our civilian populace never faced the same travails as the British and our military didn't have as devastating a death toll relative to population. So the demand for a social welfare state was blunted and delayed a decade or two.

Posted by: muldoon at November 25, 2024 10:58 AM (991eG)

381 366 361 The art is excellent, the title is not.
Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia) at November 25, 2024 10:55 AM (SSBCb)

Then maybe think of it as “ Family Thanksgiving” like I do.
Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2024 10:56 AM (PCK5/)

Agree that would have been a worthier title.

Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia) at November 25, 2024 10:58 AM (SSBCb)

382 Freedom from Ottomans?
Posted by: Diogenes

Tanned, rested, and ready!
-- Zombie Jan Sobieski

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 10:59 AM (v6JzV)

383 Freedom from want

I want red beans and rice

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 10:59 AM (Yj6Os)

384 U nas yest' NOOD.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 11:00 AM (v6JzV)

385 Thanksgiving in the style of Hieronymus Bosch.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2024 11:00 AM (Ereai)

386 Our civilian populace never faced the same travails as the British and our military didn't have as devastating a death toll relative to population. So the demand for a social welfare state was blunted and delayed a decade or two.

Posted by: muldoon at November 25, 2024 10:58 AM (991eG)
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OTOH, the UK was pretty much the only European country that was mostly intact, had hundreds of thousands of demobbed soldiers ready to go to work, and still elected a socialist government that f'ed everything they touched.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 25, 2024 11:01 AM (z0QHk)

387 I still want pastrami because of the comment Sefton made yesterday.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at November 25, 2024 11:01 AM (4XwPj)

388 371 Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia)

Are you STIL.L in the hospital? You're going to be in the repair shop longer than JJ's computer at this rate.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 10:56 AM (v6JzV)

Indeed, although unlike JJ's computer, I returned home a few times in between before something else broke down.

Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia) at November 25, 2024 11:01 AM (SSBCb)

389 "Freedom From Want" is what capitalism is all about.
-------

I guess.

I think it's the way that Democrats altered the word "freedom" the way they do these days with justice.

Freedom From Want is not a God granted inalienable freedom.

Posted by: ... at November 25, 2024 11:01 AM (12v8J)

390 Not one glass of beer in the painting. Commie!

Posted by: Rex B at November 25, 2024 11:01 AM (1uXoH)

391 Morning.

I think CBD is reading way too much into this piece. I think it's nice. A very pleasant scene. But what I want to know is what is that guy on the lower right corner looking at? Is he gazing into my soul? Is he the Abyss personified?!?

Posted by: Robert at November 25, 2024 11:02 AM (itnNP)

392 annoyed with my husband. I made pies for thursday and told my husband not to touch it. He waits till I go to sleep last night and cuts himself a piece.

Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at November 25, 2024 11:02 AM (EmT/E)

393 Hi CBD, thanks for the Rockwell and a trip down memory lane. For my parents (both born in 1923), this painting was aspirational. That’s the huge difference between “then” and “now”. The “Greatest Generation” and their predecessors took for granted that you didn’t get the Four Freedoms of the paintings without hard work and sacrifice. That was the American culture and anyone who thought differently was shunned as lazy. What none of them realized was that they’d been suckered onto the Democrat plantation. “Vote Democrat and the government will provide you these freedoms”. But those “freedoms” came at the cost of ever-growing government and higher taxes. And unlike the Greatest Generation, the ones that came after didn’t understand that the crypto-socialist system was predicated on everyone working hard and having a lot of children. I started to understand in the 80’s that Social Security was going to fail, now it will, and in my lifetime, because the current generations don’t understand the socialist bargain. As lovely as these paintings are (I have “Freedom from Fear” at home), going forward, the first and only freedom must be “Freedom to Fail”.

Posted by: I learned to code (and all I got was this lousy t-shirt) at November 25, 2024 11:02 AM (gBOcS)

394 376 Musk would never make a dime off MSNBC, but he might buy it just as a big “Fuck You!!!” To all of his critics. Imagine him making it a podcast/broadcast channel.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2024 10:57 AM (Ereai)

XNN. No Govt Propaganda, 24 hrs a day

Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia) at November 25, 2024 11:03 AM (SSBCb)

395 CBD, I think you're over interpreting the title of the painting. You can have freedom from want that is not in the context of government. Maybe the context is that everybody has a job and there is plenty of food and other goods to go around.

Unless you know more about Norman Rockwell than I do. In that case, maybe you are right.

Posted by: Ralph at November 25, 2024 11:03 AM (TysyT)

396 new thread up

Posted by: Ann at November 25, 2024 11:03 AM (4neFu)

397 Your objection is the title. Reduce the mental stress by thinking of it as _Thanksgiving_.
I don't think NR was a crypto-communist,. He was simply not immune from the Zeitgeist. It took me awhile to knock ol' FDR off his pedestal in my mind. My parents... hell, ALL of my older relatives viewed him as almost a demigod.

"These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know—morons.”

Posted by: buddhaha at November 25, 2024 11:08 AM (EyY5h)

398 395 CBD, I think you're over interpreting the title of the painting. You can have freedom from want that is not in the context of government. Maybe the context is that everybody has a job and there is plenty of food and other goods to go around.

Unless you know more about Norman Rockwell than I do. In that case, maybe you are right.
Posted by: Ralph at November 25, 2024 11:03 AM (TysyT)

It prompted some 400 comments on the theme, and that's pretty great for posting an illustration that we've all seen many times before!

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 11:13 AM (VnUSN)

399 399

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 11:13 AM (VnUSN)

400 400

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 11:13 AM (VnUSN)

401 Norm like everyone here was a product of his time.

Present company has had nearly a century to develop the perspective to see when and why the rot set in. Frankly, people were hurting badly when it was first introduced.
Heck, the Commies might have been able to take over in an alternate history.

Hindsight is Golden.

I can easily disassociate the painting from the title.

I don't think the New Deal or the politics inspired the painting. Take it at face value. AND it is GLORIUS! in a completely and unique American way.

And Thanksgiving is about Gratitude.

Posted by: pawn at November 25, 2024 11:14 AM (QB+5g)

402 371 Posted by: jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia)

Are you STIL.L in the hospital? You're going to be in the repair shop longer than JJ's computer at this rate.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2024 10:56 AM (v6JzV)

Jim (in Hospital in Kalifornia) posted a number of updates on his condition in the ONT.

Posted by: m at November 25, 2024 11:19 AM (VnUSN)

403
I'm torn. Is it better to inform us of what Rockwell was almost certainly thinking here, or leave that commentary out and let the picture stand for something completely different, the artist's thoughts remaining, as they should be, on the dustbin of history? It's a matter worthy of thought, for sure.

Posted by: American Hawkman at November 25, 2024 11:20 AM (9VDxG)

404 Musk would never make a dime off MSNBC, but he might buy it just as a big “Fuck You!!!” To all of his critics. Imagine him making it a podcast/broadcast channel.

Russell Brand and Joe Rogan have expressed interest in having shows on MSNBC if Musk buys it.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 25, 2024 11:21 AM (2ocoG)

405 . I think it signals respect for the event and one's hosts, and the tie keeps the gravy off my shirt.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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The tie is a shrunken and symbolic vestigal remains of the noble cravat, whose function, as washable dark colored wool, was to keep the gravy off the stain-prone difficult to launder white linen shirt.
In a reversal of roles worthy of its own movie, one now hopes the gravy misses the expensive, almost impossible to clean tie, and lands on the shirt which will be easily washed.

Posted by: buddhaha at November 25, 2024 11:25 AM (EyY5h)

406 Who wears a suit and tie for Thanksgiving?
Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2024 09:31 AM (Yj6Os)

In the world in which I grew up, following WW2, all the men wore suits for the major holidays. And a hat. Usually, the afternoon meal followed church service in the morning, and the men and women were still dressed in their church attire. We kids also were dressed in our Sunday best. Just the way it was.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at November 25, 2024 11:38 AM (iODuv)

407
Unless you know more about Norman Rockwell than I do. In that case, maybe you are right.
Posted by: Ralph at November 25, 2024 11:03 AM (TysyT)

He's not.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 25, 2024 11:51 AM (An3vV)

408 The Thanksgiving stress was terrific
Cold and snow blew in off the Pacific
But the crux of the holiday,
the true road to La-La, lay
in getting Muldoon to say "Sifhgh."

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at November 25, 2024 11:52 AM (zdLoL)

409 The left has gone so far extreme, that an image by a new deal democrat artist is now far right. It's too white! Too privileged! Too cisnormative! But I love it anyway.

Rockwell always snuck in family and friends as subjects. I can't remember which of the faces here he knew in real life, would have to look it up.

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 25, 2024 12:29 PM (wcIbG)

410 Willow this, probably, but why the hell WOULDN'T you expect the most exceptional country on the planet to have an exceptional turkey to help celebrate that country?

We aren't Euros, we're Americans--extraordinary by dint of our heritage. We occupy a special place--celebrate that and be thankful for it.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at November 25, 2024 12:36 PM (hKoQL)

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