THE MORNING RANT: Periodic Update on the EV Follies (10/18/2024)

Hybrids Are a “Bridge” to EVs in the Same Manner that Fried Shrimp Are a Bridge to Bug-Eating

With consumers on both sides of the Atlantic having emphatically rejected electric vehicles (with the notable exception of Tesla’s success as a boutique luxury product), EV dead-enders are now promoting the notion that the popularity of hybrids means that consumers just need a “bridge” to transition from gasoline-powered, internal combustion (“ICE” cars to fully-electric, plug-in vehicles.

Here are a couple of recent examples:

“Volvo Scraps Plans for All BEV Lineup By 2030, Eyes Hybrids As 'Bridge' To Full-Electrification”

“Volkswagen Building More Plug-In Hybrids as Bridge to EVs”

Enough already. Here’s an analogy. When I eat shrimp instead of grilling a steak, that does not mean that I’m crossing a bridge from beef-eating to bug-eating. It means that shrimp is another attractive protein option for me. Bug-eating will never be an option.

Hybrid vehicles are as much a bridge to full EV adoption as consuming shrimp is a bridge from eating beef to eating bugs.

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Not a Parody from Motor Trend: Toyota is Struggling to Catch Up in the EV Market

Toyota was the wisest auto company throughout the electric vehicle bubble, embracing hybrid technology while resisting pressure to pursue the EV folly. Toyota chose wisely. And the propaganda media will never forgive Toyota for rejecting their beloved EVs.

Motor Trend, which was once a fantastic auto-enthusiast magazine, has long since embraced the role of being an eco-leftist propaganda outlet. This article about Toyota “struggling to catch up” to EV competition reads like a parody, but it’s actually serious.

“Toyota Pushes Back EV Production Plans in America” [Motor Trend – 10/03/2024]

The EV market is in constant flux and Toyota has never been ahead of the game, and it's apparently still struggling to catch up.

Oh my. Toyota is only the most successful auto company in the world, with a wildly popular mix of vehicles that dealers cannot keep on their lots, including an extensive lineup of hybrids. Meanwhile other legacy automakers like Volkswagen, Ford, and GM are in crisis mode because of their bad bets on electric vehicles. Motor Trend calls Toyota’s popularity and success ”struggling to catch up.” I’m pretty sure that Toyota never wants to catch up with Ford, GM, and Volkswagen when it comes to EVs.

The automaker has been skeptical about EV adoption, and turned out to be mostly right about its predicted slump in the market, but the world is still moving towards all-electric vehicle adoption and Toyota must still eventually adapt.

Motor Trend is free to dream of a mandatory, all-electric utopia where ICE vehicles are outlawed and Toyota is forcibly compelled to “eventually adapt,” but so long as Toyota can respond to the market, rather than obeying the communist overlords favored by Motor Trend, then Toyota will keep selling the non-EV products that automobile buyers overwhelmingly prefer.

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California Cops: EV Police Cruisers “Nearly Unusable”

A few weeks back, I posted an email from a reader nicknamed “Wunderkraut” about the foolishness of using EVs for police cars. (I’m unable to dig up that link, sorry.)

Now comes this story out of California.

“California cops who are trialing Teslas ahead of ban on gas vehicles say they are nearly unusable” [Daily Mail – 10/16/2024]

There is a lengthy list of reasons given why the Tesla police car experiment is a failure, including battles against all the automated features such as auto-pilot and lighting. But again, the most obvious problem is that police cars get banged up and driven hard. Doing pit maneuvers and driving over curbs in a vehicle that has a combustible lithium-ion battery is literally playing with fire.

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Several Port of Los Angeles Terminals Shut Down by Massive Lithium-Ion Battery Fire

Speaking of combustible lithium-ion batteries…

“Multiple terminals closed at Port of Los Angeles after lithium battery fire” [Reuters – 9/27/2024]

Operations at Port of Los Angeles suffered disruptions as an overturned tractor trailer carrying a load of lithium batteries ignited a fire near Ocean & Navy Way on Terminal Island on Thursday, leading to the closure of several terminals.
Firefighters will continue to monitor the battery fire through Thursday night and Friday, Los Angeles Fire Department said in a statement, adding the fire is expected to last at least another 24-48 hours.

Lithium-ion batteries are proving too volatile to be transported via ship or by truck, and our transportation systems are already facing repeated disruptions due to massive lithium battery fires, despite EVs only having a very small market share. It is unthinkable how many nasty lithium fires we’d be dealing with if EV usage were higher.

Update - Coincidentally, just after I finished uploading today’s post, I received this notification from friend-of-the-blog George MF Washington. I had no recollection of this event in which a bulk shipment of lithium batteries caused an in-flight fire that crashed a 747. In the aftermath of this incident, a prohibition was implemented on such bulk shipments as air cargo.

@BuckThrockmort lithium battery fire brings down 747 https://t.co/imCYm2TYVv
— George MF Washington (@GMFWashington) October 17, 2024

If you don’t have time to watch the video, this article gives a lengthy but easily readable recap of the event:

“Alone in the Inferno: The Crash of UPS Airlines Flight 6” [Admiral Cloudberg]

Here is a brief snippet.

On the 3rd of September 2010, a UPS Airlines Boeing 747 freighter declared an emergency at 32,000 feet above the Persian Gulf, reporting the outbreak of every cargo pilot’s worst nightmare: a fire on the main deck. As the crew steered their aircraft back toward Dubai, the situation progressively escalated, as smoke filled the cockpit and the flight controls began to fail; and then the captain lost his oxygen supply and collapsed, leaving the first officer alone at the controls of a crippled leviathan.
The cause of the deadly fire would later be traced back to a now-familiar suspect that was not as well known in 2010: the plane’s cargo, consisting of hundreds of kilograms of lithium batteries.

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Ich bereue den Kauf eines Elektroautos

We’ve all chased fads that we later regretted, or made a consumer buying decision that we learned from. A lot of car buyers in Germany have apparently bought their last EV.

“Germany suffers ‘spectacular’ 70 percent drop in electric car sales” [The Telegraph – 9/19/2024]

German disillusionment with EVs is real and it’s spectacular.

There are all sorts of reasons being given for why European auto drivers are now turning so emphatically against EVs, but it is really simple - driving an EV is a lot more of a hassle than driving an ICE car. There are so many consumers who did buy an EV but later came to regret it, and they will never buy another EV.

Mass market electric vehicles lost their one and only opportunity to make a good first impression.

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Your EV Virtue Signaling is not Your Landlord’s Problem

As I just said, driving an EV provides a lot of hassles, which leads to a lot of regrets.

“I drive an electric car and am moving into a rented property - can I get my landlord to install an EV charger?” [Daily Mail – 8/18/2024]

Daily Mail Get Landlord to Install EV Charger.JPG

I owned a rental house for many years. If I still owned it, not only would I refuse to install a charger, but I would also prohibit any electric vehicle from being garaged in the house.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 1?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 11:00 AM (v6JzV)

2 Yesss!!

I'll call 'em.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 11:00 AM (v6JzV)

3 Darn. I missed the creepy looking stalker discussion in today's Morning Art Thread...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 18, 2024 11:01 AM (7fElN)

4 Saw a Tesla in the local autobody repair shop's lot. Front end torn off. It's just a big hole there. Empty.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 18, 2024 11:04 AM (Q4IgG)

5 We’ve all chased fads that we later regretted,

ABBA, Member's Only jackets & Parachute Pants.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 11:04 AM (3FQ2L)

6 We've spent the morning discussing the almost unbelievable levels of self-delusion among the left. Then you post this:

The EV market is in constant flux and Toyota has never been ahead of the game, and it's apparently still struggling to catch up.

The automaker has been skeptical about EV adoption, and turned out to be mostly right about its predicted slump in the market, but the world is still moving towards all-electric vehicle adoption and Toyota must still eventually adapt.

Nice timing.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 11:04 AM (xCA6C)

7 "Get your landlord to install a charger"?

Imma say...no.

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2024 11:04 AM (Yj6Os)

8
How many chinese receptacles have started fires in USA homes?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:04 AM (Do0tC)

9 Was a 3-house fire here early this AM and media talking-head mentioned it included an EV amongst the property damage.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 18, 2024 11:05 AM (hovnC)

10 How many chinese receptacles have started fires in USA homes?

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None at my place. I watch her like a hawk.

Posted by: Eric Swallwell at October 18, 2024 11:05 AM (kbyy+)

11 Good morning good people.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 18, 2024 11:05 AM (WXNFJ)

12 How many chinese receptacles have started fires in USA homes?

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None at my place. I watch her like a hawk.
Posted by: Eric Swallwell

ISWYDT.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 11:06 AM (3FQ2L)

13 We’ve all chased fads that we later regretted,
ABBA, Member's Only jackets & Parachute Pants.

Men with toothbrush mustaches.

Posted by: Germany at October 18, 2024 11:06 AM (xCA6C)

14
While at work, I'll occasionally wonder if any of my many chinese junk electronic products are burning down my house.

I'm not joking. I do worry about it.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:06 AM (Do0tC)

15 5 We’ve all chased fads that we later regretted,

ABBA, Member's Only jackets & Parachute Pants.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 11:04 AM (3FQ2L)

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I still miss Jheri curls.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 18, 2024 11:07 AM (kbyy+)

16
I remember a firm, men's clothing if I recall correctly, that had a slogan, "An educated consumer is our best customer."

When it comes to EV's an educated consumer is highly unlikely to become a customer.

Posted by: Civic Classifier at October 18, 2024 11:07 AM (MwtZ5)

17 Perhaps one day a viable, cheap alternative to ICEs will be invented. Wishing it will not make it so. Mandating it will not make it so.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 18, 2024 11:07 AM (WXNFJ)

18 I think the 2025 Camry lineup is hybrid only. I will not buy a hybrid, I want a reliable Toyota gas engine.

Posted by: A Nomad of the Time Streams at October 18, 2024 11:07 AM (RQBgz)

19 None at my place. I watch her like a hawk.

Posted by: Eric Swallwell at October 18, 2024 11:05 AM (kbyy+)

Lol. Thanks.

Posted by: Stateless at October 18, 2024 11:07 AM (jvJvP)

20 I have an old .303 ammunition box, probably WWII vintage. I keep my Li batteries in it. I don't know if it will be enough, but it's something.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 11:08 AM (xCA6C)

21 I remember a firm, men's clothing if I recall correctly, that had a slogan, "An educated consumer is our best customer."

When it comes to EV's an educated consumer is highly unlikely to become a customer.

Sims.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 11:08 AM (xCA6C)

22 I wanna see an E 747 flying the New Zealand route...then maybe I'll consider an EV.

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2024 11:08 AM (Yj6Os)

23 ABBA, Member's Only jackets & Parachute Pants.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices

[Everybody moves away from Rick on the bench.]

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 11:09 AM (L/fGl)

24 I liked my Member's Only jacket.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 11:09 AM (W/lyH)

25 Bongino's live Podcast interview with President Trump had over 309,000 viewers.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at October 18, 2024 11:09 AM (Da7Vv)

26 I'd be such a chick magnet if I could just travel by flying unicorn.

Posted by: Stateless at October 18, 2024 11:09 AM (jvJvP)

27 Sims.

Correction: Syms

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 11:09 AM (xCA6C)

28
"I guarantee it."

What's the commercial?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:10 AM (Do0tC)

29 "I guarantee it."

What's the commercial?

Men's Wearhouse

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 11:10 AM (xCA6C)

30 "I guarantee it."

What's the commercial?
Posted by: Soothsayer

Men's Wearhouse, I believe.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 11:10 AM (v6JzV)

31 [comment deleted - n (where n is any arbitrarily large number) comment rule]

Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at October 18, 2024 11:10 AM (OUMaO)

32 Greetings!
I see about a dozen driverless Waymo cars tooling around every day as I walk my 'hood. Sometimes they have passengers. Creepy looking things, they are, having several cylindrical shaped devices twirling around, I have no idea what they are. Completely silent. Jaguar makes them.
As for the Teslas, a pal my age owns one and swears by the FSD software. He can stand outside a grocery store with a full cart and summon the thing and it will come right to him and pop the trunk.

What a world...

Posted by: gourmand du jour at October 18, 2024 11:11 AM (MeG8a)

33 >>>as Toyota can respond to the market, rather than obeying the communist overlords

That is their real crime here.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:11 AM (i24o9)

34 "Hybrids Are a “Bridge” to EVs in the Same Manner that Fried Shrimp Are a Bridge to Bug-Eating"

-I'm not convinced that this isn't literally true

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 18, 2024 11:12 AM (xcxpd)

35 I liked my Member's Only jacket.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 11:09 AM (W/lyH)

I think I've still got one...making a comeback?

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2024 11:12 AM (Yj6Os)

36 26 I'd be such a chick magnet if I could just travel by flying unicorn.
Posted by: Stateless at October 18, 2024 11:09 AM (jvJvP)

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Trust me, it isn't all sunshine and warm breezes.

Posted by: Bellerophon at October 18, 2024 11:12 AM (kbyy+)

37 I liked my Member's Only jacket.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 11:09 AM (W/lyH)

I think I've still got one...making a comeback?
Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2024 11:12 AM (Yj6Os)

Hey, we could start it!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 11:13 AM (W/lyH)

38 pop the trunk.

But secks?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 18, 2024 11:13 AM (DB1hg)

39 Ian Sams@IanSams
VP Harris' Fox ratings blow Trump's out of the water
7.1 million viewers for Harris with Baier
3 million for Trump Faulkner town hall
In fact, VP Harris had as many viewers as Trump's women town hall yesterday + Hannity September town hall *combined*

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Everybody slows down to look at a wrecks on the highway.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 11:14 AM (L/fGl)

40 Hey, we could start it!

Posted by: Diogenes

At what, nursing homes?

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 11:14 AM (xCA6C)

41 Ctrl-F, "Prius" found zero hits.

Back in the 2010's, Toyota was an early company to actually provide an electric vehicle. People snarked on the Prius; I think even Jeff Dunham had stand-up bits about his own blue Prius (and his wife's reaction). Toyota also had hybrid cars, the Camry comes to mind.

This was in the early days of the tech. You didn't have stations; you installed an inverter at home to charge it overnight or whenever. There was a push for regenerative breaking - I think there were stories about crashes or something causing the flywheels for storing the energy to explode out from wherever they were stored.

I'm not sure how much they took from the government in "Rebates" and other tax incentives, nor do I know if and when it happened. But I'm thinking they saw a future, went to it, developed tech to support it, and are running up against similar issues that are causing failures in the auto market.

Only, they actually sell real cars and trucks, so they can handle the failure, and might even be able to overcome today's issues with more R&D - things like a better storage for powering the car, for one.

Posted by: Another Anon at October 18, 2024 11:14 AM (QNMaY)

42 I had a battery pack for a R/C toy that while recharging started to smoke. They were not Li-io. But still.

Made in China. Some sort of mickey-mouse bundle of AA sized, rechargeable batteries soldered together.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 18, 2024 11:14 AM (Q4IgG)

43 Members Only sounds like the name of a gay bar.

Posted by: spindrift at October 18, 2024 11:14 AM (OguvZ)

44 VP Harris' Fox ratings blow Trump's out of the water
7.1 million viewers for Harris with Baier
3 million for Trump Faulkner town hall
In fact, VP Harris had as many viewers as Trump's women town hall yesterday + Hannity September town hall *combined*

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Everybody slows down to look at a wrecks on the highway.

Yup, the footage of the twin towers collapsing got boffo ratings as well.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 11:15 AM (xCA6C)

45 I owned a rental house for many years. If I still owned it, not only would I refuse to install a charger, but I would also prohibit any electric vehicle from being garaged in the house.

Would you have an issue with hybrids like a Prius being in the garage? Whether hybrid or pure EV, they both have a large lithium ion battery. Seems odd that hybrids are mostly accepted and treated as normal cars (in terms of spontaneous combustion), when EVs aren't.

Obviously, both are dangerous in accidents.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 18, 2024 11:15 AM (JCZqz)

46 I don't know if it was previously discussed but, a few weeks ago, I saw a show where certain EVs - including pickup trucks - were tested and showed that by being so frontend heavy they were capable of causing major damage including running through heavy roadside barriers, tearing up asphalt, etc.

It was scary to think 'regular' passenger vehicles often share the major "moving" roads, such as turnpikes and expressways.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at October 18, 2024 11:15 AM (NFX2v)

47 Don’t give them any ideas about bugs.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 18, 2024 11:16 AM (8xEbs)

48 --BREAKING--FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE--NEW POLLING DATA--

Our most recent polling data clearly proves that the genius whirlwind media tour currently underway by our lord and savior, slay-brat kween kamala, has been 1000,000% successful1!11!!

Poll question: Has the genius whirlwind media tour currently underway by our lord and savior, slay-brat kween kamala been 1000,000% successful1!11!!??/?

Yes: 191989019,90,987690, buhzillionfruhtrillionmillion%

No: 0.000%

Posted by: SEriOus poLlinG grOuP InC! at October 18, 2024 11:16 AM (5hfjS)

49
lol @ the ratings

Yeah, go with that. So dumb.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:16 AM (Do0tC)

50 43 Members Only sounds like the name of a gay bar.
Posted by: spindrift at October 18, 2024 11:14 AM (OguvZ)

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Bring it.

Posted by: The Swizzle Stick at October 18, 2024 11:16 AM (kbyy+)

51 >>>Members Only sounds like the name of a gay bar

It's a jacket

for one's penis.

Posted by: one hour sober at October 18, 2024 11:16 AM (Y1sOo)

52 Member's Only jacket.

Yahya Sinwar wore a Dismembers Only jacket.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 18, 2024 11:16 AM (DB1hg)

53 Rush - Red Barchetta

https://youtu.be/PjjNvjURS-s

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:17 AM (i24o9)

54 Members Only sounds like the name of a gay bar.
Posted by: spindrift

Or Congress

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 18, 2024 11:17 AM (VNX3d)

55 Members Only sounds like the name of a gay bar.
Posted by: spindrift

Or Congress

Repetitive.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 11:18 AM (xCA6C)

56 Rush - Red Barchetta

https://youtu.be/PjjNvjURS-s
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:17 AM (i24o9)

A gleaming alloy air-car would be pretty cool, though.

Posted by: spindrift at October 18, 2024 11:18 AM (OguvZ)

57 Wow, so many folks missing today because of the MoMe.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 11:18 AM (v6JzV)

58 42 Mentioned here before, I don't charge anything, lap top, phone, razor, radio, anything unless I'm in attendance. Just too many stories out there of things going south.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 18, 2024 11:19 AM (gm9Sb)

59 Correction: Syms
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 11:09 AM (xCA6C)

An educated consumer is our best customer.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at October 18, 2024 11:19 AM (Dz0WF)

60 52 Member's Only jacket.

Yahya Sinwar wore a Dismembers Only jacket.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 18, 2024 11:16 AM (DB1hg)

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Speaking of the dear departed Yahya, did anyone catch the drone footage of that guy's apartment?

Man, when you fire the housekeepers, you need to hire a new one or the entire place goes to shit!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 18, 2024 11:20 AM (kbyy+)

61 Worse than Hitler.

https://is.gd/LRrefC

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I think I hear a little Snidely Whiplash and Yosemite Sam in there as well.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 11:20 AM (L/fGl)

62
Even brian stelter had positive things to say about the president's remarks at the dinner: "I thought he was funny, " stelter said with his big stupid smile, much to the disappointment to the others on the cnn panel who looked deflated and beaten.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:21 AM (Do0tC)

63 Afternoon.

"I would also prohibit any electric vehicle from being garaged in the house."

To quote from that one Calvin & Hobbes strip, verbing weirds language.

Posted by: Robert at October 18, 2024 11:21 AM (D3HHy)

64 An AI-generated picture of a flaming EV?

Is that not a perfect emblem of present times?

Posted by: muldoon at October 18, 2024 11:21 AM (uCfKO)

65 Even brian stelter had positive things to say about the president's remarks at the dinner: "I thought he was funny, " stelter said with his big stupid smile, much to the disappointment to the others on the cnn panel who looked deflated and beaten.

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Kamala was funny too, but in a different way.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 18, 2024 11:21 AM (kbyy+)

66 The big “tell” that is inexplicably never discussed, not that I have heard anyway

They’ve gone straight to official pronouncements from on high declaring re-chargeable 18 wheelers, school bus fleets, snow plows, dump trucks, train locomotives and everything will be mandatory, and actually outlaw the gasoline and diesel, all the way down to gas grills, LP sttoves, portable generators and chainsaws, lawnmowers, and sno-blowers.

But they skipped the part where, you know, they have to show proof of concept. Test bed cities. Say, Phoenix, Fargo, to get a good temperature swing.

Show us how great the City fleet of re-chargeable snow plows work. For 2 years running.

Never mind the financials. Just demonstrate the goddamned things work. And they haven’t done that, because they can t.

Insane

Posted by: Common Tater at October 18, 2024 11:22 AM (d+R+j)

67 Worse than Hitler.

https://is.gd/LRrefC

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I think I hear a little Snidely Whiplash and Yosemite Sam in there as well.

As one commenter says: "This is why Trump's winning. People are tired of the BS."

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 11:22 AM (xCA6C)

68 “I drive an electric car and am moving into a rented property - can I get my landlord to install an EV charger?” [Daily Mail – 8/18/2024]

Basing your life around your vehicle is one approach, I suppose.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 11:22 AM (KbCG3)

69 43 Members Only sounds like the name of a gay bar.
Posted by: spindrift

The local gay bar here is The Blazing Saddle. Oh my!

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 18, 2024 11:22 AM (JCZqz)

70 65 Even brian stelter had positive things to say about the president's remarks at the dinner: "I thought he was funny, " stelter said with his big stupid smile, much to the disappointment to the others on the cnn panel who looked deflated and beaten.

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Kamala was funny too, but in a different way.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 18, 2024 11:21 AM (kbyy+)

I know we're not at 100 but I just watched the whole thing and something stuck out to me.

Jim Gaffigan, the emcee and a diehard liberal/Trump hater, jumped out of his seat at the end to shake Trump's hand.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 11:23 AM (KbCG3)

71 EVs are not on the other side of the bridge. They are the bridge.

On the other side is the ban of all private modes of transportation. Leftists are now open about their plans. 15 minute cities aren’t just a dream, it’s their end game. And it’s already happening. Many cities across the world have begun banning cars in their urban core. Or if not outright bans, making it virtually impossible to park, ridiculously low speed limits, removal of lanes, etc. Those lanes are now bike lanes.

And even here it is happening, albeit on a Smaller scale. Lots of cities are taking the same approach. Make it as difficult as possible to drive and park so that eventually people give up.

All in the name of saving mother Gaia.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 18, 2024 11:23 AM (8xEbs)

72 Interesting that just had a ride in a hybrid car, and the short trip was just electric driving. Guy taking me home thought hybrid was a good option.

Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 11:23 AM (fwDg9)

73 Kamala was funny too, but in a different way.

I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to f***ing amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

Posted by: Kamala at October 18, 2024 11:24 AM (xCA6C)

74
>>>so many folks missing today because of the MoMe.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

lol, boomers
They all use desktop PC's so they don't even know how to "get on Ace's" from their flip-phones.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:24 AM (Do0tC)

75 on good authorities....

Toyota occasionally runs PR stories about "going EV."

Meantime, Toyota sales reps tell dealers "Never mind that BS. We're staying where we are."

Screw Motor Trend--and for that matter, screw Crain's Automotive News, too.

Posted by: dad29 at October 18, 2024 11:24 AM (4N4zI)

76
Yep, Gaffigan showed genuine affection and reapect for the president. Maybe not heaps, but still...

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:25 AM (Do0tC)

77 Never mind the financials. Just demonstrate the goddamned things work. And they haven’t done that, because they can t.

Insane
Posted by: Common Tater
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And the Shakers believed in not having sex until suddenly they were no more.

Utopians gonna utopiate until suddenly there are none of them. They either learn from their lesson as normal people do or they nail their flag to the mast and go down with their ship of fools.

And the grifters will be there every time to make money off the utopians.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 11:25 AM (bt/Nj)

78 EVs are not on the other side of the bridge. They are the bridge.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 18, 2024 11:23 AM (8xEbs)

Good distinction.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:26 AM (i24o9)

79 Cadillac bet everything on an EV future and even cashed out dealers who looked at the plan and said "NOPE."

I wonder how that's going for them.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 18, 2024 11:26 AM (kbyy+)

80 Funny about crappy EVs Neighbor a few houses down from the humble abode has a Tesla. Most days the Tesla is left at home, charging? Both adults drive their ICE vehicles to work. They were virtue signalling a lot when they purchased it. Now, not so much. We had one EV fire in our neighborhood, good times. Car was totaled, but the house didn't burn down, luckily.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 18, 2024 11:26 AM (TN5A0)

81 Starliner (and presumably others) uses Lithium batteries of some type, I thought surprising. Or maybe not. Early space exploration used very heavy and expensive silver-zinc batteries. Cost a fortune no doubt. Very reliable and safe, and not ordinarily prone to catching on fire.

A lithium battery fire on a spacecraft means you’re gonna have a bad day. Sometimes you got to look at not simply the odds, but the consequences

Posted by: Common Tater at October 18, 2024 11:26 AM (d+R+j)

82 The driver and myself did come to same conclusions what will happen to dead batteries in vehicles when their life is done

Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 11:27 AM (fwDg9)

83 57 Wow, so many folks missing today because of the MoMe.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Be at the MoMe, or be posting here from work....

Not a tough call. Sadly, I'm nowhere near Texas.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 18, 2024 11:27 AM (JCZqz)

84 This was my first ride in a hybrid car

Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 11:28 AM (fwDg9)

85 I've been driving a hybrid Toyota Highlander for 5 years now and I love that thing. Never a lick of trouble, good gas mileage, don't need to charge anything, just fill her up with gas like any other car (albeit less often) and go.

I would never consider an all-electric vehicle.

Posted by: bluebell at October 18, 2024 11:28 AM (79pEw)

86 ABBA, Member's Only jackets & Parachute Pants.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices

[Everybody moves away from Rick on the bench.]
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 11:09 AM (L/fGl)

LOL. You need to move farther. I can still see the both of you.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 18, 2024 11:28 AM (g8Ew8)

87 79 Cadillac bet everything on an EV future and even cashed out dealers who looked at the plan and said "NOPE."

I wonder how that's going for them.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 18, 2024 11:26 AM (kbyy+)

Hopefully poorly

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 18, 2024 11:28 AM (xcxpd)

88 “I drive an electric car and am moving into a rented property - can I get my landlord to install an EV charger?” [Daily Mail – 8/18/2024]
______________

Landlord: "Sure, but first, you will blow me."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:29 AM (YqDXo)

89 Hybrids Are a “Bridge” to EVs

Trust me, Mary Jo, it's the bridge we want.

Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at October 18, 2024 11:29 AM (FrKFd)

90 Screw Motor Trend--and for that matter, screw Crain's Automotive News, too.
Posted by: dad29
========
Two words, advertising and Globull Warming. The grifters at those mags are trying to sell the auto mfgs of electrics that if they just advertise harder, then people will discover how wonderful they are.

The true believers in Globull Warming at those mags are indoctrinated from their miseducation into believing we are all gonna die unless we expiate our sin of emitting carbon dioxide. That will probably be the case until they themselves are carbon neutral in the grave. Some will fall off here and there but others will cling to that pseudo religious belief to the grave.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 11:29 AM (bt/Nj)

91 83 57 Wow, so many folks missing today because of the MoMe.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

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I imagine them all sitting down together to a breakfast of French toast smothered in maple syrup and a cup of coffee spiked with bourbon.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 18, 2024 11:29 AM (kbyy+)

92 Interesting that just had a ride in a hybrid car, and the short trip was just electric driving. Guy taking me home thought hybrid was a good option.

Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 11:23 AM (fwDg9)

I have a friend who loves them, but then he drives a butt ton of miles. When it comes time to haul stuff and things from here to there, who gets the call? The guy with the 1-T ICE pickup.

I don't know that hybrid scales up when you really need the power AND for a sustained distance.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:29 AM (i24o9)

93 What would really cause a lot of lib greeny heads to go kaboom would be Elon announcing an ICE division of Tesla Motors, making simple pickup trucks like early 90s Nissans, affordable to all, with a bullet proof engine and drive train.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 18, 2024 11:29 AM (gm9Sb)

94 Our family has gone full Toyota since the American auto makers and unions have decided that they don't give a hoot about America or their fellow Americans. Sick of getting lectures about what's best for America from people who don't have the courage to say "no" to Democrats and globalists.

Posted by: Not looking for the union label anymore at October 18, 2024 11:30 AM (1wdUl)

95
Whether hybrid or pure EV, they both have a large lithium ion battery. Seems odd that hybrids are mostly accepted and treated as normal cars (in terms of spontaneous combustion), when EVs aren't.

The battery in a Toyota hybrid use 1/192 the amount of lithium as an EV.

Posted by: Civic Classifier at October 18, 2024 11:30 AM (MwtZ5)

96 The true believers in Globull Warming at those mags are indoctrinated from their miseducation into believing we are all gonna die unless we expiate our sin of emitting carbon dioxide. That will probably be the case until they themselves are carbon neutral in the grave. Some will fall off here and there but others will cling to that pseudo religious belief to the grave.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 11:29 AM (bt/Nj)

Pseudo religious belief is a polite way of putting it.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:30 AM (i24o9)

97 89 Hybrids Are a “Bridge” to EVs

Trust me, Mary Jo, it's the bridge we want.
Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy

To modernize the old joke in long form AI style----

If Ted had been driving a hybrid Volkswagen, he would have died by being fried along with Mary Jo when the lithium batteries shorted and lit up the submerged Volkwagen which would be far too heavy to float.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 11:31 AM (bt/Nj)

98 An oh-so-liberal acquaintance told me proudly that he'd just bought an EV.

"Congratulations, you bought at the top. Now when all recently-purchased EVs need battery replacements at $10 K each, you'll find the resale value of your precious EV is going to be about the same as the resale of used Kleenex."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:31 AM (YqDXo)

99 84 This was my first ride in a hybrid car

Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 11:28 AM (fwDg9)

My SiL has a car that basically shuts down when at stop lights.

No matter how many times I ride in one of those, I can never get used to it.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 11:31 AM (KbCG3)

100 I would never consider an all-electric vehicle.

Posted by: bluebell at October 18, 2024 11:28 AM (79pEw)

Carrying any sort of load radically decreases the range of electric vehicles. Even if they were safe, they don't make much sense for normal folks.

But as you pointed out, hybrids, when well designed, can be excellent cars.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 18, 2024 11:32 AM (1aFZz)

101 German disillusionment with EVs is real and it’s spectacular.

Sure, but they are killing power plants left and right. They are still deeply stuck in the warmunist cult.

owned a rental house for many years. If I still owned it, not only would I refuse to install a charger, but I would also prohibit any electric vehicle from being garaged in the house.

I have to imagine property ins. contracts are being re-written to exclude payouts for fires caused by EVs.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 18, 2024 11:32 AM (IG4Id)

102 What would really cause a lot of lib greeny heads to go kaboom would be Elon announcing an ICE division of Tesla Motors, making simple pickup trucks like early 90s Nissans, affordable to all, with a bullet proof engine and drive train.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 18, 2024 11:29 AM (gm9Sb)

Use a steam engine powered by crushed bugs. Not only would it spike the "Eat Ze Bugz" group, but it uses an environmentally sustainable fuel source that isn't based on petroleum.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 18, 2024 11:32 AM (VNX3d)

103 "My SiL has a car that basically shuts down when at stop lights."

Mine does that too, although I can override it with a different transmission option if I need to.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at October 18, 2024 11:33 AM (MeG8a)

104 The true believers in Globull Warming at those mags are indoctrinated from their miseducation into believing we are all gonna die unless we expiate our sin of emitting carbon dioxide. That will probably be the case until they themselves are carbon neutral in the grave. Some will fall off here and there but others will cling to that pseudo religious belief to the grave.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 11:29 AM (bt/Nj)
________________

Apparently liberals have never heard of the carbon cycle.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:33 AM (YqDXo)

105 My SiL has a car that basically shuts down when at stop lights.

No matter how many times I ride in one of those, I can never get used to it.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

Gads, I hate those.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 11:33 AM (v6JzV)

106 Pseudo religious belief is a polite way of putting it.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
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Reading the grim history of the Reformation and lot of similarities in how the various offshoots of Protestantism developed (some withering and dying along the way due to stupid beliefs like proto- communism).

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 11:33 AM (bt/Nj)

107 Jim Gaffigan, the emcee and a diehard liberal/Trump hater, jumped out of his seat at the end to shake Trump's hand.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 11:23 AM (KbCG3)

One doesn't have to like someone in order to see that person is the right choice for the job.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 18, 2024 11:33 AM (g8Ew8)

108 103 "My SiL has a car that basically shuts down when at stop lights."

Mine does that too, although I can override it with a different transmission option if I need to.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at October 18, 2024 11:33 AM (MeG8a)

I would override, disable and then kill that option with fire.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 11:33 AM (KbCG3)

109 I ran the numbers on hybrids recently and couldn't get them to work out to where it made any sense to buy one. Maybe there are certain use cases where it would work out but not for me.

Posted by: Thatch at October 18, 2024 11:34 AM (qVsb2)

110 The true believers in Globull Warming at those mags are indoctrinated from their miseducation into believing we are all gonna die unless we expiate our sin of emitting carbon dioxide. That will probably be the case until they themselves are carbon neutral in the grave. Some will fall off here and there but others will cling to that pseudo religious belief to the grave.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 11:29 AM (bt/Nj)
________________

At one time, the Earth's atmosphere consisted of CO2 and N2, with trivial traces of O2. What caused CO2 and O2 to switch places in abundance?

The evolution of green plants.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:34 AM (YqDXo)

111
When you look at the number of Toyota factories in the USA and the number of Americans they employ you see an example of fair trade. I don't feel the least bit un-American by buying their product.

I think they have six factories and employ tens of thousands.

Posted by: Civic Classifier at October 18, 2024 11:34 AM (MwtZ5)

112 107 Jim Gaffigan, the emcee and a diehard liberal/Trump hater, jumped out of his seat at the end to shake Trump's hand.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 11:23 AM (KbCG3)

One doesn't have to like someone in order to see that person is the right choice for the job.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 18, 2024 11:33 AM (g8Ew

======

Or to just be a star fucker.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 18, 2024 11:34 AM (GBKbO)

113 Motor Trend was nothing more than Detoilet propaganda and now is only government leftist propaganda.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 18, 2024 11:34 AM (17s+e)

114
It's just...weird. Is it incompetence?

First, they decide for her not to go to Al Smith. And I Men's Warehouse guarantee you it was a very difficult decision for her campaign to make.

Then, they decide to submit a lame scripted skit just so she'd appear with a hollywood celery. The whole thing was an act. Literally.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:34 AM (Do0tC)

115 German cars? Nein, danke. Around Ohio, mainly driven by wine moms, a-holes and the climate-change/transing-kids/clot-shot crowd.

Posted by: das ist nicht gut at October 18, 2024 11:35 AM (1wdUl)

116 105 The Cadillac 4-6-8 engine. Number of cylinders running would change at speed and load. Brought to you by the geniuses at GM during the Metric Transmission years.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 18, 2024 11:35 AM (gm9Sb)

117 Several weeks back I mentioned that I was Cgristmas shopping for a new vehicle (BFT- Big Freaking Truck!!!).

Got a lot of GREAT recommendations, several out of my price range (yes, a big a*s Cummings Diesel would have been REALLY NICE!).

Ended up pulling the trigger in the last week. Settled for an F150 with the 5.0L Coyote V8. So far am happy with it.

Part of the reason I wanted to get something NOW was that a LOT of manufacturers are dropping down to 6 cylinders in their trucks, and I was going to settle for NOTHING less than a V8 (or diesel).

But to the point of this article, NO ONE really "wants" an EV. The people buying (or leasing) them are doing 1 of 2 things: 1) virtual signaling or 2) reaping government benefits like tax incentives or the "free" HOV lane passes.

-SLV

Posted by: Shy Lurking Voter at October 18, 2024 11:35 AM (e/Osv)

118 I would override, disable and then kill that option with fire.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 11:33 AM (KbCG3)
_________________

No need. The EV will do that to itself in time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:35 AM (YqDXo)

119 Would you have an issue with hybrids like a Prius being in the garage? Whether hybrid or pure EV, they both have a large lithium ion battery. Seems odd that hybrids are mostly accepted and treated as normal cars (in terms of spontaneous combustion), when EVs aren't.

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The battery in a hybrid is 2%-5% the size of a typical EV traction battery. A tiny fraction of the number of cells and much much lower combustion risk. Insurance data bears this out.

Posted by: Bigsmith at October 18, 2024 11:36 AM (1Au9i)

120 The automaker has been skeptical about EV adoption, and turned out to be mostly right about its predicted slump in the market, but the world is still moving towards all-electric vehicle adoption and Toyota must still eventually adapt.

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I think what they meant to say is that Toyota will eventually be the only solvent auto maker.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 18, 2024 11:36 AM (lTGtQ)

121 I had a Chevy truck with a V8 that would shut down 4 cylinders in cruising mode. It was OK, until the onboard computer got stuck in 4 cylinder mode. It's fun merging into a 45 mph road when the truck won't accelerate above 20.

It was a bug in the onboard computer. That's one reason I'm sick of all the computers in cars.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 18, 2024 11:36 AM (VNX3d)

122
Electricity bills are through the roof. Does anyone think of that?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:37 AM (Do0tC)

123 Mass market electric vehicles lost their one and only opportunity to make a good first impression.

EVs have been trying to mass market since before the Model T. It's just not a good idea.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 18, 2024 11:37 AM (17s+e)

124 Reading the grim history of the Reformation and lot of similarities in how the various offshoots of Protestantism developed (some withering and dying along the way due to stupid beliefs like proto- communism).

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 11:33 AM (bt/Nj)

Reading any history and you are inexorably lead to the conclusion that the one thing that never changes throughout history is human nature. There will always be those easily lead to their own slaughter by the siren song of some romantic notion or misplaced fear.

It's almost as if leftists have figured this out. And it's almost as if conservatives never will, which is why we are always fight to take back ground rather than advancing on our own universally beneficial terms.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:37 AM (i24o9)

125 Apparently liberals have never heard of the carbon cycle.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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My guess is that far too many k-12 science teachers don't actually teach 'science' as a process but rather a set of memorizable and isolated 'facts' that are to be regurgitated on a multiple guess style test.

Given how popular teaching survey courses in college to non majors are for a lot of professors, I would also suspect that is true in college.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 11:37 AM (bt/Nj)

126 I still think Tesla Cyber tricks look like 1930s armor cars

Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 11:37 AM (fwDg9)

127 Ian Millhiser@imillhiser
The United States Constitution is actually quite bad

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1. Electoral college
2. Free speech
3. Freedom of religion
4. 2nd amendment
Etc. etc.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 11:38 AM (L/fGl)

128 I had a 2002(?) Honda Civic Hybrid.
Loved the thing. Put 200k+ miles on it before I sold it to a relative ( needed new batteries, and didn't want to deal with it)

Averaged maybe 47mpg on average year round.

He still has it, running great.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 18, 2024 11:38 AM (xyH14)

129 Show business is for good looking stupid people.

Politics is for ugly stupid people.

Change my mind.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 18, 2024 11:38 AM (17s+e)

130 First, they decide for her not to go to Al Smith. And I Men's Warehouse guarantee you it was a very difficult decision for her campaign to make.

Then, they decide to submit a lame scripted skit just so she'd appear with a hollywood celery. The whole thing was an act. Literally.

Her campaign is as if the Old 97, Titanic, and Hindenburg all converged simultaneously on a flaming dumpster filled with flaming clown boners.

Posted by: Kamala at October 18, 2024 11:39 AM (xCA6C)

131 Reading any history and you are inexorably lead to the conclusion that the one thing that never changes throughout history is human nature.

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That's why we need the New Soviet Man.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 11:40 AM (L/fGl)

132 The true believers in Globull Warming at those mags are indoctrinated from their miseducation into believing we are all gonna die unless we expiate our sin of emitting carbon dioxide. That will probably be the case until they themselves are carbon neutral in the grave. Some will fall off here and there but others will cling to that pseudo religious belief to the grave.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 11:29 AM (bt/Nj)

Pseudo religious belief is a polite way of putting it.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:30 AM (i24o9)
__________________

Galloping stupidity is the way I'd put it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:40 AM (YqDXo)

133 I still think Tesla Cyber tricks look like 1930s armor cars
Posted by: Skip

Those things are surpassingly ugly. They could design a car to look like Trigglypuff, and it would still look better than a Cybertruck.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 11:40 AM (v6JzV)

134 Maybe there are certain use cases where it would work out but not for me.

Posted by: Thatch at October 18, 2024 11:34 AM (qVsb2)

Lots of miles, with reliable tech like a Toyota hybrid, if it otherwise fit in terms of passengers and use case.

If you need hauling capacity and looking for just one vehicle, I don't know that you could make it work.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:40 AM (i24o9)

135 129 Show business is for good looking stupid people.

Politics is for ugly stupid people.

Change my mind.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable

JD Vance is neither ugly nor stupid.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 18, 2024 11:40 AM (/IrFm)

136 Ended up pulling the trigger in the last week. Settled for an F150 with the 5.0L Coyote V8. So far am happy with it.

SLV

Good choice.
I have one as well.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 11:40 AM (W/lyH)

137
You know what's peculiar?

Gas mileage for conventional engines haven't improved in a very long time? Did we reach peak efficiency for combustion engines? Did they stop trying? Is it because cars are getting bigger again and they're tuning more horsepower out of these engines every year?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:41 AM (Do0tC)

138 That video was produced and directed by the same crowd that cooked up Doc Biden's very homo Christmas video.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 18, 2024 11:41 AM (gm9Sb)

139 It's almost as if leftists have figured this out. And it's almost as if conservatives never will, which is why we are always fight to take back ground rather than advancing on our own universally beneficial terms.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder

That is also what the humanities were originally supposed to teach. Logic, historical knowledge including mankind's follies in the past, rhetoric so you can recognize logical fallacies and emotional arguments being employed, learning basics of art and music as to recognize what it truth, beauty, etc.

The humanities classes in college instead have become indoctrination machines for a utopia that will never exist but impose massive suffering on humanity and a new feudal darkness where oligarchs prey on the masses.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 11:41 AM (bt/Nj)

140 Galloping stupidity is the way I'd put it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:40 AM (YqDXo)

I would be shortcutting it and saving my breath with "cultish," but that just shuts people down to your arguments.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:41 AM (i24o9)

141 129 Show business is for good looking stupid people.

Politics is for ugly stupid people.

Change my mind.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable

JD Vance is neither ugly nor stupid.

Posted by: nurse ratched
==

There are exceptions that prove the rule. Like Vance and James Woods.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 18, 2024 11:42 AM (17s+e)

142 133 I still think Tesla Cyber tricks look like 1930s armor cars
Posted by: Skip

Those things are surpassingly ugly. They could design a car to look like Trigglypuff, and it would still look better than a Cybertruck.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Trigglypuff? I puke to differ.

Posted by: Ack Yack Arff Barf at October 18, 2024 11:42 AM (1wdUl)

143 BREAKING per Fox News

More documents released in Smith probe of Trump.

Posted by: Buzz Adrenaline at October 18, 2024 11:42 AM (JRP2U)

144 Interesting: LA used to be known for flashy cars; but not anymore. The most exotic was the Testla "truck." A sort of clunky Delorean $100k poser mobile lacking a flux capacitor.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at October 18, 2024 11:42 AM (wBaIH)

145 Hybrids Are a “Bridge”; that's if fellas, marketing came up with a solution to get rid of all those batteries.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 18, 2024 11:43 AM (wD8nw)

146 One doesn't have to like someone in order to see that person is the right choice for the job.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons

Trump is a bit of an arrogant asshole but he is the arrogant asshole we need.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 11:43 AM (L/fGl)

147 Apparently liberals have never heard of the carbon cycle.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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My guess is that far too many k-12 science teachers don't actually teach 'science' as a process but rather a set of memorizable and isolated 'facts' that are to be regurgitated on a multiple guess style test.

Eh, it was that way back when I was in HS. It's difficult enough to get kids to do even the memorization part, because all they can think about is what's inside the pants of the other sex. In addition, now we have parents who view it as a legal matter if their kid doesn't get an A.

Posted by: Kamala at October 18, 2024 11:44 AM (xCA6C)

148 My guess is that far too many k-12 science teachers don't actually teach 'science' as a process but rather a set of memorizable and isolated 'facts' that are to be regurgitated on a multiple guess style test.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 11:37 AM (bt/Nj)
_________________

I perused my son's chemistry text. It was appallingly bad. Page 17 introduced the notion of atoms. Page 19 talked about glycosidic linkages in nucleic acids.

Whoa. Most chem profs don't know much about glycosidic linkages, very much a niche topic. It'd be like asking the average attorney about admiralty law.

Meanwhile, as my son's chem teacher told me, they don't teach such arcane topics as pH, because it's too difficult for the darlings.

Makes sense. Everyone knows the glycosidic linkages are much more important to teach than pH.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:44 AM (YqDXo)

149
More fake "documents" you mean.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:45 AM (Do0tC)

150 144 Interesting: LA used to be known for flashy cars; but not anymore. The most exotic was the Testla "truck." A sort of clunky Delorean $100k poser mobile lacking a flux capacitor.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov
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However, you can drive through the hood and survive, as long as they don't shoot at you with a rifle.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 18, 2024 11:45 AM (wD8nw)

151 Trump is a bit of an arrogant asshole but he is the arrogant asshole we need.

I'm in the market for a leader, not a best friend.

Posted by: Kamala at October 18, 2024 11:45 AM (xCA6C)

152 The Cadillac 4-6-8 engine. Number of cylinders running would change at speed and load. Brought to you by the geniuses at GM during the Metric Transmission years.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 18, 2024 11:35 AM (gm9Sb)

***

My dad had several V8-6-4's in his Limos and Hearses. The biggest POS's in history. Wasn't long after he changed to Lincoln

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 18, 2024 11:45 AM (1FWWQ)

153 In the art thread TJM mentioned that Bob Casey (D-PA) released an ad tying himself to Trump's policies. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) has now done the same.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 18, 2024 11:45 AM (2UnvF)

154
Electricity bills are through the roof. Does anyone think of that?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:37 AM

I bought an EV lawnmower. 21" self propelled. It has some good points and some bad ones, but it costs me .60 an acre of electricity to cut my grass with it. If I use my 21" self propelled ICE lawnmower it uses half a tank of gas at around four dollars a gallon or $2.00 for that acre.

Don't ask me to explain it. I have a Bluetti 2k battery with all the data to prove the amount of electricity required to recharge the batteries. If I really want to save money I plug in a portable solar panel to recharge the Bluetti and I run the mower for free.

Posted by: Civic Classifier at October 18, 2024 11:45 AM (MwtZ5)

155 Gas mileage for conventional engines haven't improved in a very long time? Did we reach peak efficiency for combustion engines? Did they stop trying? Is it because cars are getting bigger again and they're tuning more horsepower out of these engines every year?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:41 AM (Do0tC)

Whatever happened to that "100mpg secret carburetor" that Big Oil bought the patent for and kept off the market?

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2024 11:45 AM (Yj6Os)

156 The documents relate to Trump’s fight to prove he can use presidential immunity.

Posted by: Buzz Adrenaline at October 18, 2024 11:46 AM (JRP2U)

157 153 In the art thread TJM mentioned that Bob Casey (D-PA) released an ad tying himself to Trump's policies. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) has now done the same.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 18, 2024 11:45 AM (2UnvF)

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I also mentioned the Tammy ad in the art thread!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 18, 2024 11:46 AM (GBKbO)

158 I wouldn't want to be a member of any jacket that would have me as a member. I've got my standards.

Posted by: muldoon at October 18, 2024 11:46 AM (uCfKO)

159 Gas mileage for conventional engines haven't improved in a very long time? Did we reach peak efficiency for combustion engines? Did they stop trying? Is it because cars are getting bigger again and they're tuning more horsepower out of these engines every year?

*cough*

Posted by: The Laws of Physics at October 18, 2024 11:46 AM (xCA6C)

160 Well, I don't want to brag, but my car runs on atomic energy and folds up into a briefcase that weighs less than two pounds.

Posted by: George Jetson at October 18, 2024 11:47 AM (WPL6O)

161 Makes sense. Everyone knows the glycosidic linkages are much more important to teach than pH.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Does it go into p-chem?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 11:47 AM (v6JzV)

162 My guess is that far too many k-12 science teachers don't actually teach 'science' as a process but rather a set of memorizable and isolated 'facts' that are to be regurgitated on a multiple guess style test.
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What they should teach are the elements of the scientific method. Of course, that would require the teachers to know that, too, and most of them are liberal chicks, so forget about it.

BTW, my son's chem text was written by a bunch of no-doubt liberal chicks who were obviously washed out of grad school, but used the textbook - and the introduction of obscure but fashionable topics - as a way of showing that they were washed out by mistake.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:47 AM (YqDXo)

163 I also mentioned the Tammy ad in the art thread!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 18, 2024 11:46 AM (GBKbO)

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I don't get it.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 18, 2024 11:47 AM (2UnvF)

164 You know what's peculiar?

Gas mileage for conventional engines haven't improved in a very long time? Did we reach peak efficiency for combustion engines? Did they stop trying? Is it because cars are getting bigger again and they're tuning more horsepower out of these engines every year?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:41 AM (Do0tC)

If you chart complexity against MPG you'd see a plateau somewhere in the last 5-10 years.

With complexity (parts counts) comes failure modes, and at some point, there are diminishing returns of where MPG savings are dwarfed by repair costs, so you just stop. Not saying that there AREN'T possible returns with increasing complexity, just that it makes sense at some point to stop looking.

Think Ford Modular engines, with variable valve timing and cam phasers (IIRC) require the replacement of heads rather than a simple inexpensive part that makes junking the car or making it someone else's problem a better option than repair and maintain.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:47 AM (i24o9)

165 My brother has a 2010 hybrid Toyota Camry. 210,000 miles, one replacement battery ($3,000) and still looks good, runs great. Toyota's got it.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 18, 2024 11:48 AM (rsCxw)

166 "[...]but I would also prohibit any electric vehicle from being garaged in the house."

Dan wouldn't want an EV, anyway.

Posted by: IS Roth at October 18, 2024 11:48 AM (LD39e)

167 91 I imagine them all sitting down together to a breakfast of French toast smothered in maple syrup and a cup of coffee spiked with bourbon.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 18, 2024 11:29 AM (kbyy+)

Or bourbon spiked with coffee.

Posted by: NR Pax at October 18, 2024 11:48 AM (jjoN6)

168
jack shit can type whatever he likes on a piece of paper, doesn't make them "documents" or mean a god damn thing.

jack smith is nobody, a nothing. He has no legitimate official capacity whatsoever

jack smith is simply a Democrat party operative operating at his own behest. Meaningless nobody - just another jerkoff on twitter.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:48 AM (Do0tC)

169 Meanwhile, as my son's chem teacher told me, they don't teach such arcane topics as pH, because it's too difficult for the darlings.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:44 AM (YqDXo)

That's f*cking retarded.

pH is fairly simple, and it introduces all sorts of important concepts.

If a kid can't understand pH, then he has no business crossing the street on his own.

My guess is that the teacher didn't understand it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 18, 2024 11:48 AM (7oaOA)

170 Late to the HQ this morning. Open nooz thread? Lucian Freud? Just what the hell is going on here?

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 18, 2024 11:49 AM (LxER7)

171 Gas mileage for conventional engines haven't improved in a very long time? Did we reach peak efficiency for combustion engines? Did they stop trying? Is it because cars are getting bigger again and they're tuning more horsepower out of these engines every year?
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:41 AM (Do0tC)

If we could freely drill for the abundant oil resources we have in this country, would it matter?

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 18, 2024 11:49 AM (g8Ew8)

172 My guess is that the teacher didn't understand it.

This is usually a good guess, no matter the subject.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 11:50 AM (xCA6C)

173 Meanwhile, as my son's chem teacher told me, they don't teach such arcane topics as pH, because it's too difficult for the darlings.

Makes sense. Everyone knows the glycosidic linkages are much more important to teach than pH.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:44 AM (YqDXo)

Yikes.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:50 AM (i24o9)

174 Meanwhile, as my son's chem teacher told me, they don't teach such arcane topics as pH, because it's too difficult for the darlings.

Makes sense. Everyone knows the glycosidic linkages are much more important to teach than pH.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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There is also the problem that good science teachers generally can do other things than teach.

But they are paid the same or worse than the football coach that dabbles in teaching phys ed.

So a lot of good science or math teachers quit teaching to either go into administration where the pay and benefits are much better (12 month contracts, etc.) or they seek employment outside of teaching. My excellent HS chem/biology teacher became a curriculum administrator. Another science teacher in middle school left to become a vet, etc.

My aunt was a rarity. She taught science in Middle School for 33 years before succumbing to breast cancer. Basically a polymath and all her children are so gifted.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 11:50 AM (bt/Nj)

175 jack shit can type whatever he likes on a piece of paper, doesn't make them "documents" or mean a god damn thing.

jack smith is nobody, a nothing. He has no legitimate official capacity whatsoever

jack smith is simply a Democrat party operative operating at his own behest. Meaningless nobody - just another jerkoff on twitter.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:48 AM (Do0tC)

You do your nic great service.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at October 18, 2024 11:51 AM (AiZBA)

176 Funny how the car mags have traditionally hated innovation: all season radials. Then FWD. Then CVT. Fuck em. All cars look like jelly beans, affordability and reliability are all that really matter to most people, and we're losing both.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at October 18, 2024 11:51 AM (wBaIH)

177 Speaking of Toyota, Jr. Black is currently looking for a new vehicle. He's been to the Toyota lot and was told by the salesman that '24 is the last year that they will make an ICE Camry. After this year, the Camrys will be all hybrid or EV.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 18, 2024 11:51 AM (qBdHI)

178 I wonder how many hybrid cars have gone up in flames for battrr failure

Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 11:52 AM (fwDg9)

179 Also EV charger manufacturers are losing money and will soon be out of business without huge subsidies.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at October 18, 2024 11:52 AM (wBaIH)

180 My aunt was a rarity. She taught science in Middle School for 33 years before succumbing to breast cancer. Basically a polymath and all her children are so gifted.

This is another unanticipated consequence of allowing women to enter all fields, which is a good thing, but it has definitely reduced the average IQ among teachers.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 11:52 AM (xCA6C)

181 159 Gas mileage for conventional engines haven't improved in a very long time? Did we reach peak efficiency for combustion engines? Did they stop trying? Is it because cars are getting bigger again and they're tuning more horsepower out of these engines every year?

*cough*
Posted by: The Laws of Physics

so, once again it comes down to orangemanbad calling his legislative buddies and lobbying against good things because he'd rather run on the problem.

Posted by: anachronda at October 18, 2024 11:53 AM (sGtp+)

182 There's a new study out that says climate change is "hurting young Americans' mental health"

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Well, not climate change per se.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 11:53 AM (L/fGl)

183 Makes sense. Everyone knows the glycosidic linkages are much more important to teach than pH.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Does it go into p-chem?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 11:47 AM (v6JzV)
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It balked at going into pH. Does that answer your question?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:54 AM (YqDXo)

184
I still believe ABS brakes are stupid and I will never change my mind.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:54 AM (Do0tC)

185 2017 Toyota Sienna minivan. Six cylinder (ICE, of course), gets 25-28 mph doing 55mph here. Good enough for me

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 18, 2024 11:54 AM (rsCxw)

186 I still think Tesla Cyber tricks look like 1930s armor cars
Posted by: Skip

Those things are surpassingly ugly. They could design a car to look like Trigglypuff, and it would still look better than a Cybertruck.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

I think they look like a Delorean hate fucked a rubix cube and that's their fucked up spawn.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 11:54 AM (4XwPj)

187 OT: Saw a meme that made me laugh regarding Kumala Harris:

"If you can't be the sharpest tool in the shed, you can always be the Hoe"...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 18, 2024 11:55 AM (ynpvh)

188 I loved my HS chemistry class. Had an excellent woman teacher who actually had a degree in chemistry (I think) herself.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 11:55 AM (v6JzV)

189 My guess is that the teacher didn't understand it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

In most states, and school districts, there are a fairly rigid curriculum standards that come from the state ed departments. Those standards development and deployment are often hijacked by interest groups, distort what is necessary to teach in favor of tangents, and usually are designed to align with certain textbook providers.

Been involved in the development process as has my wife and it is not optimal. While eliminating the DOE would be good at the federal level, the state DOEs need to go too.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 11:55 AM (bt/Nj)

190
I suspect that generating electricity (even though we perceive it as highly expensive) is simply cheaper then drilling, transporting, refining, transporting again, gasoline product.

I think I saw somewhere that an overnight EV charge was something like $11.00 of electricity. If that gets someone 250 miles, my RAV when full uses about $30.00 of gasoline to get me the same 250 mile range.

Not a fan of EV's but in the right place, for the right usage, someone might save some money - until they have to replace the battery - the hidden cost in the savings.

Posted by: Civic Classifier at October 18, 2024 11:55 AM (MwtZ5)

191 My AAA app had a new feature where I could find EV stations

I deleted the app

and probably the membership too

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at October 18, 2024 11:55 AM (M7vhK)

192 In most states, and school districts, there are a fairly rigid curriculum standards that come from the state ed departments. Those standards development and deployment are often hijacked by interest groups, distort what is necessary to teach in favor of tangents, and usually are designed to align with certain textbook providers.

pH as a straight white male construct.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 11:56 AM (xCA6C)

193 I think they look like a Delorean hate fucked a rubix cube and that's their fucked up spawn.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 11:54 AM (4XwPj)

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It's comments like this that keep me coming back here day after day.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 18, 2024 11:56 AM (2UnvF)

194 When I was making the transition from teen to adult...a gal. of gas was 26 cents and a pack of smokes was a quarter. Now gas is $3.50ish and smokes are $7 to $10 depending....just reminiscing.

Posted by: BignJames at October 18, 2024 11:56 AM (Yj6Os)

195 I still believe ABS brakes are stupid and I will never change my mind.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:54 AM (Do0tC)

I like them. The ABS has saved me from a bad accident a couple of times.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 18, 2024 11:56 AM (g8Ew8)

196 eanwhile, as my son's chem teacher told me, they don't teach such arcane topics as pH, because it's too difficult for the darlings.

Makes sense. Everyone knows the glycosidic linkages are much more important to teach than pH.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:44 AM (YqDXo)

Yikes.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:50 AM (i24o9)
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My reaction (no pun intended) exactly. Turns out that they don't pH because they also don't teach the mole concept. Too difficult, I was assured.

Jesus wept.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:57 AM (YqDXo)

197 “California cops who are trialing Teslas ahead of ban on gas vehicles say they are nearly unusable” [Daily Mail – 10/16/2024]

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I for one look forward to the communist utopian wasteland of Califzuela (having escaped it nearly a dozen years ago).

Schadenboner Status: Lit AF!

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 11:57 AM (TDdfP)

198 Friday art picture is a hell of a way to start the weekend.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 18, 2024 11:57 AM (wD8nw)

199 155 Whatever happened to that "100mpg secret carburetor" that Big Oil bought the patent for and kept off the market?

big oil copyrighted the patent, so it won't go into the public domain until well after we run out of oil.

Posted by: anachronda at October 18, 2024 11:57 AM (sGtp+)

200 One other problem with EVs that hasn't been mentioned so far - the theft of the copper in the charging stations. Even if you find one, it might not work, and you could be stuck in a bad crime area....

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 18, 2024 11:57 AM (VNX3d)

201 Do Hybrid EV's charge the battery while under gas power? Like an alternator charging the battery while running the car.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 18, 2024 11:57 AM (1FWWQ)

202 When I was making the transition from teen to adult...a gal. of gas was 26 cents and a pack of smokes was a quarter. Now gas is $3.50ish and smokes are $7 to $10 depending....just reminiscing.
Posted by: BignJames

Note to self: Steer very clear of BignJames' lawn.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 11:58 AM (v6JzV)

203 “Multiple terminals closed at Port of Los Angeles after lithium battery fire” [Reuters – 9/27/2024]

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I for one look forward to the communist utopian wasteland of Califzuela (having escaped it nearly a dozen years ago).

Schadenboner Status: Lit AF!

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 11:58 AM (TDdfP)

204 181 159 I used to drive and work on type 1 VW air-cooled cars. Now, a 1300cc was about 32 HP and would give you around 32MPG, real close between city and highway. My KIA Soul has a 1600cc engine, delivers about 130 HP and gets about the same mileage. And it's tough to tell the years apart on a Soul.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 18, 2024 11:58 AM (gm9Sb)

205 184 I still believe ABS brakes are stupid and I will never change my mind.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 11:54 AM (Do0tC

Believe what you want. Then meet up with reality in the form of wet, slick pavement. And a sudden stop.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 18, 2024 11:58 AM (rsCxw)

206
Electricity bills are through the roof. Does anyone think of that?
Posted by: Soothsayer

And we keep shutting down reliable power plants and sort of replacing them with unreliable wind and solar.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 18, 2024 11:58 AM (63Dwl)

207 Kids identifying as animals is a growing trend and apparently wokies think that's a good thing

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Well, I think of them as animals.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 11:58 AM (L/fGl)

208 Turns out that they don't pH because they also don't teach the mole concept. Too difficult, I was assured.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:57 AM (YqDXo)

I am not surprised. Speaking to teacher friend (same hybrid guy), they don't assign homework, because students don't do it. Parents don't make them, in general.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:58 AM (i24o9)

209 Yet Democrats Propaganda Ministry uses every word put out by Jack Smith like it's gospel

Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 11:58 AM (fwDg9)

210 I loved my HS chemistry class. Had an excellent woman teacher who actually had a degree in chemistry (I think) herself.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 11:55 AM (v6JzV)
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I had good teachers of chemistry and biology. The latter was a recent grad who taught the scientific method alongside biology in general and some molecular biology (a nascent field at the time).

He was also the JV baseball coach, so I saw a LOT of him. Good guy.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:59 AM (YqDXo)

211 208 Turns out that they don't pH because they also don't teach the mole concept. Too difficult, I was assured.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 11:57 AM (YqDXo)

I am not surprised. Speaking to teacher friend (same hybrid guy), they don't assign homework, because students don't do it. Parents don't make them, in general.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:58 AM (i24o9)

Make homework 45% of their grade and you'll see a change in their behavior.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 18, 2024 12:00 PM (N39Ws)

212 185 2017 Toyota Sienna minivan. Six cylinder (ICE, of course), gets 25-28 mph doing 55mph here. Good enough for me

how dare you!!!

Posted by: greta at October 18, 2024 12:00 PM (sGtp+)

213 168
... jack smith is nobody, a nothing. He has no legitimate official capacity whatsoever

jack smith is simply a Democrat party operative operating at his own behest. Meaningless nobody - just another jerkoff on twitter.
Posted by: Soothsayer

How dare you! He's NOT one of us.

Posted by: Pudd Pullers Union at October 18, 2024 12:00 PM (1wdUl)

214 Shrimp never infested anyone's house. Shrimp never transmitted anyone the plague. Shrimp never bit anyone. Shrimp never devastated anyone's harvest. Nobody ever found shrimp swarming a dog turd in his yard.

There's a reason people view land and sea bugs differently.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (7SI8C)

215 And Liz Cheney is in Pennsylvania campaigning for US Representative Susan Wild who touts border control on one hand but doesn't support it by act, and for others.

And there's former teacher, among other things, Deb Ciamacca who ran for PA state representative and lost - thank heavens - claiming Dave McCormick responsible for:

>Pennsylvania Capital-Star, March 24, 2022 - How Pa. teachers’ pensions fit into the feud between Oz, McCormick
On a whole, Oz argued that McCormick should be held accountable for the role Bridgewater’s investments played in this chain of events

In part, "Pennsylvania’s $72 billion teacher pension fund and its investment strategies are at the center of a new war of words between GOP Senate hopefuls Mehmet Oz and David McCormick.

Stories about the Pennsylvania Public School Employees Retirement System, known as PSERS, and its penchant for offbeat investments — from Iraqi oil fields to prison phone calls — and globe-trotting travel have raised teachers’ and good government advocates’ ire for the past few years."

But >PA PSERS Board of Trustees Names Benjamin L. Cotton Chief Investment Officer, 01/04/2023

Mr. Cotton will be paid a salary of $515,000

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (NFX2v)

216 Kids identifying as animals is a growing trend and apparently wokies think that's a good thing

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Well, I think of them as animals.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 11:58 AM (L/fGl)

I saw some poor, stupid cocksucker wearing cat ears proclaim proudly that it was part of the LGBTQ community, and this was in interacting with same said teacher.

Yes, it was a student. Yes, it had unnatural colored hair. Yes we homeschool. Yes, this is one of the primary reasons why.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (i24o9)

217 Not a fan of EV's but in the right place, for the right usage, someone might save some money - until they have to replace the battery - the hidden cost in the savings.
Posted by: Civic Classifier

Right now, due to fire risk, EVs are a much worse insurance risk than IC engines with Hybrids somewhere in between.

AFAIK, not sure that EV drivers are paying the higher premiums or if those premiums are subsidized by IC drivers.

They should be separate risk pools so that EV drivers pay their actual risk to homes, garages, and being damaged in minor accidents that require totalling the EV.

My guess is that most people would dump EVs in that case due to not realizing how 'risky' they actually are.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (bt/Nj)

218 WSJ just wrote an entire article based on nothing but rampant speculation and paranoia that someone was “fixing” the Polymarket betting site in Trump’s favor. They’re also speculating without cause that it’s being done by people associated with Trump to;
A) Provide a sense of momentum for Trump that isn’t really organic
B) Give Trump a basis for and electoral challenge if he loses

It has to be the worst written and sourced piece of propaganda I ever read. It reads like the fever dream of a mentally unstable homeless bridge troll. They’re not even embarrassed to print this crqp anymore.

You can’t hate the media enough.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (+5YjI)

219
Some times I WANT my brakes to lock up my wheels.
For Christ sake when I stomp on my brake pedal I dont want to wait 100 feet to stop.

ABS is for dummies who cant negotiate the brakes-to-stop dynamic.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (Do0tC)

220 Make homework 45% of their grade and you'll see a change in their behavior.

No, what you'll see is the inside of the principle's office, followed by the unemployment line.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (xCA6C)

221 I'd consider looking at a Tesla when it includes a Mr. Fusion power source, even if it doesn't have a flux capacitor or the ability to fly.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (VNX3d)

222
Bad Hombre
@joma_gc
Major drama within the Kamala Harris campaign this morning. A source reveals that Harris screamed at and angrily berated her campaign manager Julie Chavez for over 30 minutes on the phone this morning.

The source shares that Chavez advised Kamala not to attend the Al Smith dinner because it could send the wrong message and risk alienating LGBTQ and pro-abortion voters if she was seen cozying up to Catholics.

Instead Chavez suggested a compromise of sending in the poorly-received video in lieu of an in-person appearance.

Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.

The joy is gone.

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That sounds fun.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (GBKbO)

223 The EV report is my very favorite Morning Update.

Thank you Buck!!!!

Posted by: Defenestratus at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (j4ld0)

224 Mass market electric vehicles lost their one and only opportunity to make a good first impression.

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* Google's #Woke AI Gemini has entered the post *

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (TDdfP)

225 Yes, it was a student. Yes, it had unnatural colored hair. Yes we homeschool. Yes, this is one of the primary reasons why.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
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Good for you.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (bt/Nj)

226 Both chemistry teachers at my HS in the 70s were women. One was the popular, make the subject as easy and silly as possible type, the other was a serious teacher. Fortunately I had the latter...and ended up a chemistry major in college.

Posted by: Bigsmith at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (1Au9i)

227
Oh, and TPMS

Get thefuckoutta here with that shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (Do0tC)

228 Kids identifying as animals is a growing trend and apparently wokies think that's a good thing

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A friend of ours has a child that just started 9th grade. Here in SC of all places, the orientation day started with the principal telling all the students that they are free to tell everyone what they want to identify as...boy, girl, animal, the sky's the limit, I guess. Every teacher then reiterated it to the rest of our friend's son's classes at the start of each class on that first day. Simply unbelievable this is happening in SC.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (qBdHI)

229 They have a plan and are obviously working always to implement the plan.

The oil shale discoveries in the 1960s, in Colorado and Utah are unimaginably immense. Never mind Alaska (The entire north slope on early maps were simply marked “Naval Oil Reserve”.

If you pay attention you can clearly see the resource extraction strangulation efforts that have been at play for decades. No logging, no mining, no drilling for oil.

The US is the “Saudi Arabia” of high quality Coal. And that too, is basically outlawed at this point. Estimates are 500 years worth.

Every problem we have, outside of earthquakes and such, are mostly contrived and artificial. It is ridiculous just how Fucked Over everything is, and nobody hardly can even see it, much less do anything about it. It’s a damn shame.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (d+R+j)

230 213 168
... jack smith is nobody, a nothing. He has no legitimate official capacity whatsoever

jack smith is simply a Democrat party operative operating at his own behest. Meaningless nobody - just another jerkoff on twitter.
Posted by: Soothsayer

How dare you! He's NOT one of us.
Posted by: Pudd Pullers Union

Nor us!

Posted by: American Conference of Bishop Waxers at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (1wdUl)

231 Parents don't make them, in general.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 11:58 AM (i24o9)

Make homework 45% of their grade and you'll see a change in their behavior.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 18, 2024 12:00 PM (N39Ws)

I think you are failing to apprehend the problem.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 12:02 PM (i24o9)

232 This morning re Al Smith dinner a comment includes "crone harlot" or "harlot crone.". get some ice on that one. then elsewhere the cyber truck was a kind of DeLorean knock off. throbbing sting

Posted by: See? Nobody cares at October 18, 2024 12:02 PM (QSrLX)

233 big oil copyrighted the patent
__________________

How do you copyright a patent? The text of patents is in the public domain once the patent is published.

Patent life is 20 years from the date of first filing, so any such patent is long since expired.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 12:02 PM (YqDXo)

234 Should have said:

* Google's #Woke AI image-generator Gemini has entered the post *

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 12:02 PM (TDdfP)

235 WSJ just wrote an entire article based on nothing but rampant speculation and paranoia that someone was “fixing” the Polymarket betting site in Trump’s favor.

So...an outfit that relies on secure electronic transactions isn't all that secure, and can be manipulated. Gee, I wonder if this has other implications?

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:02 PM (xCA6C)

236
Re: what the fake real James Madison posted above:

Now THAT I believe 100%

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 12:03 PM (Do0tC)

237 Smith is in front of a judge. There should be perp walks for all the sign offs on him and the proceeding

Posted by: See? Nobody cares at October 18, 2024 12:04 PM (QSrLX)

238 The joy is gone.

========

That sounds fun.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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I worked in one losing campaign and it is sort of like the losing team in The Natural. One bad thing happens after another.

The candidates themselves either comport themselves as an adult and take it on the chin, or they act like Kamala is--blaming everyone but herself for her poor performance.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:04 PM (bt/Nj)

239 Major drama within the Kamala Harris campaign this morning. A source reveals that Harris screamed at and angrily berated her campaign manager Julie Chavez for over 30 minutes on the phone this morning.

The source shares that Chavez advised Kamala not to attend the Al Smith dinner because it could send the wrong message and risk alienating LGBTQ and pro-abortion voters if she was seen cozying up to Catholics.

Instead Chavez suggested a compromise of sending in the poorly-received video in lieu of an in-person appearance.

Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.

The joy is gone.

That's a shame.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:04 PM (xCA6C)

240 Bad Hombre
@joma_gc
Major drama within the Kamala Harris campaign this morning. A source reveals that Harris screamed at and angrily berated her campaign manager Julie Chavez for over 30 minutes on the phone this morning.

The source shares that Chavez advised Kamala not to attend the Al Smith dinner because it could send the wrong message and risk alienating LGBTQ and pro-abortion voters if she was seen cozying up to Catholics.

Instead Chavez suggested a compromise of sending in the poorly-received video in lieu of an in-person appearance.

Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.

The joy is gone.

-
Well, I've got the joy joy joy joy down in my heart.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:04 PM (L/fGl)

241 Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.

The joy is gone.
_______________

And yet, surprisingly, there's a lot of churn amongst her staff.

Go figure.

Uh, Chlamydia, who took her stupid advice, hmmmm?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 12:04 PM (YqDXo)

242 238 I worked in one losing campaign and it is sort of like the losing team in The Natural. One bad thing happens after another.

The candidates themselves either comport themselves as an adult and take it on the chin, or they act like Kamala is--blaming everyone but herself for her poor performance.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:04 PM (bt/Nj)

=======

Someone with a 95% turnover rate in her office in normal times is going to be a joy to work for on a campaign that enters a doom loop, huh?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 18, 2024 12:05 PM (GBKbO)

243 Now I want to go back and relearn some chemistry.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:05 PM (v6JzV)

244 Dear Kamala,
Part of being large and in charge is that you are responsible. Live it, learn it, love it.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:05 PM (xCA6C)

245 201 Do Hybrid EV's charge the battery while under gas power? Like an alternator charging the battery while running the car.

depends.

i'm most familiar with the prius (2006 with 207,000 miles on it). in my model, most definitely. the battery is an integral part of the transmission; the computer uses the interplay between the electric motors and the gasoline engine to manage gearing. power is always flowing into and out of the battery.

however, as i understand it, the plug-in prius adds an additional, larger battery that is charged by plugging it in. that particular battery can *only* be charged by plugging it in; the gas engine can't charge it.

however, it *also* has the normal prius battery that's key to the transmission.

Posted by: anachronda at October 18, 2024 12:06 PM (sGtp+)

246
Welp.

Now, the scumbag, fascist Democrats/Harris voters are resorting to threats of violence against those who vote for Trump:

https://instapundit.com/678498/

This is not a great idea.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 18, 2024 12:06 PM (eDfFs)

247

The biggest problem with all electric anal fuck machines is that you can't completely strap yourself into the torture harness, and you can't trust The Gimp to let you out...

Posted by: Peter Bootygig at October 18, 2024 12:06 PM (1NvMo)

248 243 Now I want to go back and relearn some chemistry.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:05 PM (v6JzV)

I had a pretty poor chemistry teacher in HS and never really got a good grasp on the subject as a result. My physics teacher, however, was outstanding.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 18, 2024 12:06 PM (LxER7)

249 151 Trump is a bit of an arrogant asshole but he is the arrogant asshole we need.

I'm in the market for a leader, not a best friend.
Posted by: Kamala at October 18, 2024 11:45 AM (xCA6C)

Humility is not a virtue in politics or big business. They're all arrogant assholes.

Here's the difference: Trump doesn't think he's better than me. The rest of them do.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 12:06 PM (KbCG3)

250 Counterpoint: shrimp are bugs. The WEF psyop started decades ago, convincing people that shrimp and lobster (which are bugs) are high-status foods.

I eat only beef and bacon, and drink only rainwater or pure grain alcohol.

Posted by: Lurker at October 18, 2024 12:06 PM (FC8SQ)

251 They should be separate risk pools so that EV drivers pay their actual risk to homes, garages, and being damaged in minor accidents that require totalling the EV.

My guess is that most people would dump EVs in that case due to not realizing how 'risky' they actually are.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (bt/Nj)
__________________

Yep. New risk, new segmentation variable. It's that simple. Get cracking on the calculations, actuaries.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 12:07 PM (YqDXo)

252 Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.

The joy is gone.

------------

We're still gonna get vibes though, amirite?

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 12:07 PM (TDdfP)

253 HS chemistry used to be a bunch of boys wondering when they were going to learn how to blow up things. Maybe the mean girls too.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 18, 2024 12:07 PM (gm9Sb)

254 Thomas Sowell said “Liberalism is replacing what works, with something that sounds good.”

Natural gas pipelines used to power the pipelines with - get this - natural gas. From an engineering perspective it is rather elegant.

Instead, some fucktard decided the pumps needed to be solar powered. These failed in Texas, a contributor to the electrical blackout (and LP gas) debacle a couple winters back.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 18, 2024 12:07 PM (d+R+j)

255 EV sales have been propped up by government purchases too. While govts are changing their fleets over, there is a rush of sales. Once the fleet is converted, those sales end. That's what happened in the UK: govt stopped buying and sales cratered.

Posted by: Tom at October 18, 2024 12:07 PM (4mhi+)

256 How dare you! He's NOT one of us.
Posted by: Pudd Pullers Union

Nor us!
Posted by: American Conference of Bishop Waxers at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (1wdUl)

------------------

Hear hear!

Posted by: International Brotherhood of Chicken Chokers at October 18, 2024 12:08 PM (2UnvF)

257 I worked in one losing campaign and it is sort of like the losing team in The Natural.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:04 PM (bt/Nj)

I worked the 2006 RNCC campaign, and we got shellacked. Know what happened? People still partied at the end and had sex with each other.

I went to bed early and went home the next day after getting an unexpected monetary bonus for a job well-done.

Politics people are a different breed.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 12:08 PM (i24o9)

258 222

Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.

The joy is gone.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (GBKbO)

Oooooo, Time to make some popcorn and watch Dems further implode.....

-SLV

Posted by: Shy Lurking Voter at October 18, 2024 12:08 PM (e/Osv)

259 F the public school cult. I always vote for the biggest libtard wackos on the ballot for all public education positions.

Posted by: Going deep. Out. at October 18, 2024 12:08 PM (tKNHW)

260 You can’t hate the media enough.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 18, 2024 12:01 PM (+5YjI)

The media is the worst of all our bad actors… worse than Dems, academia, think tanks, NGOs etc etc…. They’re the worst because none of the others could get away with their nonsense if we had a professional impartial media

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 18, 2024 12:09 PM (WnEm5)

261 248 243 Now I want to go back and relearn some chemistry.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:05 PM (v6JzV)

I had a pretty poor chemistry teacher in HS and never really got a good grasp on the subject as a result. My physics teacher, however, was outstanding.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 18, 2024 12:06 PM (LxER7)
_________________

As mentioned above, my chem and biology teachers were great. My math teacher at Punahou (my father had been transferred to Hawaii) sucked. He constantly talked about gymnastics at Indiana Univ., where he'd attended, and presumably engaged in gymnastics there. Precious little math was discussed.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 12:09 PM (YqDXo)

262 Simply unbelievable this is happening in SC.
Posted by: Lady in Black
=====
The locus of infection are universities and their associated colleges of education. Teacher prep nowadays is basically garbage and attracts statistically the worst of students even at elite schools. They are right down there with communications and journalism majors.

So, easy to indoctrinate minds coupled with warped deviant assholes running those DOE and the politicians in many states that interfere with actual educating students, results in the massive failure of American Education. It is comparable to the Soviet Agricultural system in the scope of systemic failure.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:09 PM (bt/Nj)

263 "We interrupt this thread to bring you Breaking News"

DATELINE: Corsicana TX

Members of the dreaded Tren de Aragua gang have been seen running in fear from the local area. When asked why, member of the notorious Venezuelan gang reported that a crazy lady with guns was shooting up the place, and another dressed in bacon was smacking dudes with a frying pan.
"Is bad senor!" said one.
"I go back home." said another.

Local authorities have taken to helicopters and drones to learn the situation but early reports indicate the fearsome MoMe Gang has hit town.

Film at 11.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 12:09 PM (W/lyH)

264 Other reports say that Emhoff slapped Chavez shortly after she got yelled at by Harris.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at October 18, 2024 12:09 PM (najRc)

265 Now, the scumbag, fascist Democrats/Harris voters are resorting to threats of violence against those who vote for Trump:

https://instapundit.com/678498/

This is not a great idea.

Posted by: naturalfake

FAFO.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (3FQ2L)

266 HS chemistry used to be a bunch of boys wondering when they were going to learn how to blow up things

This too, is the story of the “Manhattan Project”. Just a bunch of good ole boys blowing stuff up out in the desert.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (d+R+j)

267 233 big oil copyrighted the patent
__________________

How do you copyright a patent? The text of patents is in the public domain once the patent is published.

big oil bribed the lawyers. duh.

Posted by: anachronda at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (sGtp+)

268 HS chemistry used to be a bunch of boys wondering when they were going to learn how to blow up things.
__________________

Scratch a chemist, find a pyromaniac.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (YqDXo)

269 Well, I've got the joy joy joy joy down in my heart.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:04 PM (L/fGl)

LOL.

Unless they couldn't get another job with another politician, why would anyone want to work with Kamala, who sounds like a ghastly boss?.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (MQJVv)

270 Best part is the Dems have tied themselves closely to Harris down the entire ticket. People know who voted for all this destruction and in lock-step with her and Biden for the last four years. That includes both the House and Senate. It’s time for a political reckoning.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (+5YjI)

271 Oh, that's right, there's a MoMe in progress this weekend, isn't there.

I keep meaning to make the NoVA one.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (LxER7)

272 Other reports say that Emhoff slapped Chavez shortly after she got yelled at by Harris.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at October 18, 2024 12:09 PM (najRc)

I imagine that scene in Airplane! where there is a long line.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (i24o9)

273 Now I want to go back and relearn some chemistry.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Armstrong's Mixture.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 12:11 PM (3FQ2L)

274 Norway is over 90% of EV's in new car sales, Sweden and Denmark are on the same track as Norway. ICE is the dead man walking, it's just a matter of time. Funny how a "luxury boutique product" like the Tesla Model Y was the best selling car worldwide last year and is neck and neck with the Toyota Rav4 this year. I think its called cognitive dissonance. EV hate is like TDS..

Posted by: Sixiron at October 18, 2024 12:11 PM (c4Wfm)

275 222
Bad Hombre
@joma_gc
Major drama within the Kamala Harris campaign this morning. A source reveals that Harris screamed at and angrily berated her campaign manager Julie Chavez for over 30 minutes on the phone this morning.

---
We all finally got a peek under the thin veneer of KH in her Fox interview. The barely-contained anger and refusal to give a straight answer scream Autocrat. G-d help us if she wins.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 18, 2024 12:11 PM (DZmjV)

276 270 Best part is the Dems have tied themselves closely to Harris down the entire ticket. People know who voted for all this destruction and in lock-step with her and Biden for the last four years. That includes both the House and Senate. It’s time for a political reckoning.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (+5YjI)

======

Tammy Baldwin and Bob Casey releasing ads in the last day tying themselves to Trump is not a sign that Democrats think Kamala is winning.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 18, 2024 12:11 PM (GBKbO)

277 It’s time for a political reckoning.

Thar's a-goin' to be trouble.

Posted by: Yosemite Sam at October 18, 2024 12:11 PM (xCA6C)

278 HS chemistry used to be a bunch of boys wondering when they were going to learn how to blow up things.
__________________

Scratch a chemist, find a pyromaniac.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (YqDXo)

I think I might have turned my kids onto careers in chemistry by discussions of combustion.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 18, 2024 12:12 PM (i24o9)

279 I have a lawyer friend that also has a chemistry degree. Served him well when working for the Feds in the 80s, Youngstown, OH when the local outfits were blowing each other up with car bombs. He was the go to guy when evidence was being put together for indictment.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 18, 2024 12:12 PM (gm9Sb)

280 268 HS chemistry used to be a bunch of boys wondering when they were going to learn how to blow up things.
__________________

Scratch a chemist, find a pyromaniac.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (YqDXo)

Had a college Chemistry prof, who was also Army Reserve. He had an Expert Flamethrower Badge!

-SLV

Posted by: Shy Lurking Voter at October 18, 2024 12:12 PM (e/Osv)

281 Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.

The joy is gone.

That's a shame.
Posted by: Archimedes

Anyway...

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 12:13 PM (3FQ2L)

282 HS chemistry used to be a bunch of boys wondering when they were going to learn how to blow up things.

One day in class we decied to mix as much crap as we could just to see what happened.
Lots of weird stuff and we were laughing until Mr Byrne (odd I remember his name) was watching and finally came over and said "OK. Now write out all those chemical reactions."
We were screwed.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 12:14 PM (W/lyH)

283 Now I want to go back and relearn some chemistry.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

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What I loved most about chemistry, because I was good at math, was the first practical application (algebra being abstract) of learning how to solve multiple variables via multiple equations.

I would subsequently learn that in physics, theoretical mechanics, and electrical engineering classes.

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 12:14 PM (TDdfP)

284 I have a lawyer friend that also has a chemistry degree.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

Is he a patent attorney? Because patent attorneys are required to have some kind of technical/scientific degree.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:14 PM (v6JzV)

285 281 Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.

The joy is gone.

That's a shame.
Posted by: Archimedes

Anyway...
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 12:13 PM (3FQ2L)

Wow. Kamala finally got one right.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 12:14 PM (KbCG3)

286 274 Norway is over 90% of EV's in new car sales, Sweden and Denmark are on the same track as Norway. ICE is the dead man walking, it's just a matter of time.

the walls are closing in. the wheels are falling off.

Posted by: anachronda at October 18, 2024 12:14 PM (sGtp+)

287 What is the best way to take out a drone anyway?

Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 12:14 PM (fwDg9)

288 “ Tammy Baldwin and Bob Casey releasing ads in the last day tying themselves to Trump is not a sign that Democrats think Kamala is winning.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 18, 2024 12:11 PM (GBKbO)”

Numerous campaigns in competitive districts have already made large ad buys that echo the Harris strategy of going after Trump. It ain’t selling, especially as opposition candidates point out facts like Democrats have voted for every piece of the Biden-Harris agenda. People actually remember how good things were with Trump. That’s going to impact a lot of other races.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 18, 2024 12:14 PM (+5YjI)

289

Nooodiekins

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 12:15 PM (Do0tC)

290 What is the best way to take out a drone anyway?

Hold an Al Smith dinner.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:15 PM (xCA6C)

291
Norway is over 90% of EV's in new car sales, Sweden and Denmark are on the same track as Norway.

Norway is about 100% hydroelectric power which is so cheap the average home there uses ~four times the power of a home in the USA.

Meanwhile the libtards in this country are tearing down hydroelectric dams.

Also, Norway does not buy into the 'diversity is our strength' line of bullshit.

Posted by: Civic Classifier at October 18, 2024 12:15 PM (MwtZ5)

292 "We interrupt this thread to bring you Breaking News"

DATELINE: Corsicana TX

Members of the dreaded Tren de Aragua gang have been seen running in fear from the local area. When asked why, member of the notorious Venezuelan gang reported that a crazy lady with guns was shooting up the place, and another dressed in bacon was smacking dudes with a frying pan.
"Is bad senor!" said one.
"I go back home." said another.

Local authorities have taken to helicopters and drones to learn the situation but early reports indicate the fearsome MoMe Gang has hit town.

Film at 11.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 12:09 PM (W/lyH)

--------------

LOL. Damn, really tempted to go next year (wifey even moreso).

Have fun!

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 12:15 PM (TDdfP)

293 Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.

The joy is gone.

That's a shame.
Posted by: Archimedes
***

I wonder if anyone has ever told her to sit the fu*k down, shut the fu*k up, and pull your head out of your ass?

Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 12:16 PM (W/lyH)

294 What is the best way to take out a drone anyway?
Posted by: Skip

Dinner and a movie usually works well.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:16 PM (v6JzV)

295 Again, unless there is some radical development in battery and charging technology that allows one to "fuel up" at the same rate you can refuel an ICE vehicle, EV's will never even approach anything resembling, the figment of a valid use case.

And even then, they don't make much sense.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 18, 2024 12:16 PM (XV/Pl)

296 I got my Member's Only jacket in S. Korea. Got it really cheap and it was very cold in S. Korea. So I have an excuse.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 18, 2024 12:17 PM (c711F)

297 I worked the 2006 RNCC campaign, and we got shellacked. Know what happened? People still partied at the end and had sex with each other.

I went to bed early and went home the next day after getting an unexpected monetary bonus for a job well-done.

Politics people are a different breed.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
========
I had worked for the guy who lost off and on for about 10 years as had many of his staffers. Working for individual candidates has a bit different feel.

National politics in DC allow one to slough off failure as simply a bad year for Team Red or Blue. But, I was in DC at the Carter campaign watch party when Carter conceded to Reagan before the polls closed in the West Coast. Lots of people were enraged and pissed off.

The younger folks with no connection to the campaign itself (I was there becuz worked for Dem congress critter) including me went to the GOP party which was rocking until the wee hours.

Course hired guns that parachute in and out of individual races are about like business consultants--win a few, lose a few with little if no emotional involvement.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:17 PM (bt/Nj)

298 And now, the Morning crazy.

Jen "We aren't going back " Rubin
@JRubinBlogger
So Trump burrows deeper into the belly of the MAGA beast, schedules a rally at Madison Square Garden reminiscent of the German American Bund’s Nazi rally in February 1939. A man increasingly showing signs of intellectual and physical deterioration (e.g., falling asleep at his trial and his own convention, sometimes appearing listless and tired at rallies even before Monday’s gobsmacking outing) seeks to pump himself and his followers up in feverish rallies that play on hatred of immigrants and revenge fantasies.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:17 PM (L/fGl)

299 159 Gas mileage for conventional engines haven't improved in a very long time? Did we reach peak efficiency for combustion engines? Did they stop trying? Is it because cars are getting bigger again and they're tuning more horsepower out of these engines every year?

The way it was explained to me (and assuming that I'm relaying it correctly) is that you can set the timing of your engine to get really great highway MPG (like 25 to 30+ MGP even for your giant boat of a gas-guzzler), or you can set it to get really great city MPG, but the same timing won't work for both.

So you have to switch the timing when you go from one to the other.

Apparently this is possible to do (or was possible to do decades ago) with a manual switch on the dash, but the trick was, you'd have to remember to do it, other wise if your timing was set for city driving you'd get about 4 MPG on the highway.

One would think that this would be a trivial thing to program into the computer of a modern vehicle.

I don't know what prevents them from doing so.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at October 18, 2024 12:17 PM (hB7mE)

300 I don't know why Kamala thought-except that's she stupid-that it wouldn't be a good idea to attend a "roast" where the money goes to charitable causes, and that maybe it would have been a good idea even it if some LBGT folks were offended. And by now, probably millions have tuned into the Al Smith memorial dinner and saw that it wasn't the disaster for Trump that some people claimed it was.

Besides if you're an LBGT person offended by that, you have a very thin skin. Panties in a wad because Trump suggested Schumer might be the first woman President?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 18, 2024 12:17 PM (MQJVv)

301 Tammy Baldwin and Bob Casey releasing ads in the last day tying themselves to Trump is not a sign that Democrats think Kamala is winning.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 18, 2024 12:11 PM (GBKbO)

They are tying themselves to Trump? Like, rah rah, go Trump? Or are they just asking voters to split their ticket?

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at October 18, 2024 12:18 PM (gGNEq)

302 222
Bad Hombre
@joma_gc
Major drama within the Kamala Harris campaign this morning. A source reveals that Harris screamed at and angrily berated her campaign manager Julie Chavez for over 30 minutes on the phone this morning.

--

I recently quit the WSJ after a 30+ year subscription. Leftist news, mostlly anti-Trump editorial staff. What's not to loathe?

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 18, 2024 12:18 PM (qJszG)

303 I understand some of the advantages of electric drive. They accelerate much better, if only because maximum torque is available from 0 RPM, and electric drives don’t need to shift gears to maintain a power band. I could possibly be talked into a hybrid if it had powerful motors and a very long range. That would interest me more than just effective MPG.

All electric cars do not interest me at all. Charging one of those even near my house, much less in my garage, terrifies me. The battery is a catastrophe waiting to happen, they’re not easily repairable, and lithium ion batteries don’t recycle (to my knowledge).

Posted by: Advo at October 18, 2024 12:18 PM (jO4mz)

304 @222

>>That sounds fun.

Well, Female Is The Future and the Future will consists of hissy fits, reputational destruction and burn books.

Lots and lots of burn books.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 18, 2024 12:19 PM (XV/Pl)

305 294 What is the best way to take out a drone anyway?
Posted by: Skip

Dinner and a movie usually works well.

out: fish heads
in: drones

Posted by: anachronda at October 18, 2024 12:19 PM (sGtp+)

306 ABS is for dummies who cant negotiate the brakes-to-stop dynamic.
Posted by: Soothsayer
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ABS equalizes the stopping force between all four wheels creating a superior stopping force which equates to a shorter stopping distance.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 18, 2024 12:19 PM (wD8nw)

307 And we keep shutting down reliable power plants and sort of replacing them with unreliable wind and solar.

Hey, it takes time to destroy America completely.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 18, 2024 12:20 PM (WPL6O)

308 252 Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.
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I normally would be very skeptical of this given how close we are to the election; however, it is consistent with what her employees have previously revealed about how he she treats them. Also, um, her husband Doug.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at October 18, 2024 12:20 PM (qUkBO)

309 I wonder if anyone has ever told her to sit the fu*k down, shut the fu*k up, and pull your head out of your ass?
Posted by: Diogenes
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A campaign manager does not dare to do that to a candidate unless you have a long relationship with them that precedes the current race.

That is often a problem with hired guns parachuted from outside to run a campaign is that they prefer to run their own style campaign rather than building it around the candidate's own weaknesses and strengths.

In addition, my suspicion in that Kamala purposefully picked a yes person in the first place. Notice the turnover in her staff.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:20 PM (bt/Nj)

310 Numerous campaigns in competitive districts have already made large ad buys that echo the Harris strategy of going after Trump. It ain’t selling, especially as opposition candidates point out facts like Democrats have voted for every piece of the Biden-Harris agenda. People actually remember how good things were with Trump. That’s going to impact a lot of other races.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 18, 2024 12:14 PM (+5YjI)

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The Emhoff radio ads I'm hearing here in AZ are cringe gaslighting about how Trump will destroy the economy and Kommie-la will save it.

Nobody's buying your bullshit ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 12:21 PM (TDdfP)

311 299 One would think that this would be a trivial thing to program into the computer of a modern vehicle.

I don't know what prevents them from doing so.

big oil. duh.

Posted by: anachronda at October 18, 2024 12:21 PM (sGtp+)

312 239 Major drama within the Kamala Harris campaign this morning. A source reveals that Harris screamed at and angrily berated her campaign manager Julie Chavez for over 30 minutes on the phone this morning.

The source shares that Chavez advised Kamala not to attend the Al Smith dinner because it could send the wrong message and risk alienating LGBTQ and pro-abortion voters if she was seen cozying up to Catholics.

Instead Chavez suggested a compromise of sending in the poorly-received video in lieu of an in-person appearance.

Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.

The joy is gone.

That's a shame.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:04 PM (xCA6C)

This brings so much joy to the deep dark reaches of my heart.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 18, 2024 12:21 PM (N39Ws)

313 @303

>>I could possibly be talked into a hybrid if it had powerful motors and a very long range. That would interest me more than just effective MPG.

The problem with hybrids is that they introduce undue complexity and accelerate obsolescence of the vehicle.

There's not going to be such a thing as a Classic Hybrid.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 18, 2024 12:21 PM (XV/Pl)

314 284 Nah, bankruptcy. Got the chem degree because.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (gm9Sb)

315 285 281 Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.

The joy is gone.

That's a shame.
Posted by: Archimedes

Anyway...
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 12:13 PM (3FQ2L)

Wow. Kamala finally got one right.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 12:14 PM (KbCG3)

Well, the Harris campaign manager only had so much to work with.

Posted by: Advo at October 18, 2024 12:23 PM (jO4mz)

316 Now, the scumbag, fascist Democrats/Harris voters are resorting to threats of violence against those who vote for Trump:

https://instapundit.com/678498/

This is not a great idea.

Posted by: naturalfake

FAFO.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (3FQ2L)

This is exactly, exactly the reason the FBI went after the KKK and associated groups.

If the modern FBI wasn't the same to the Democrat Party as Kamala was to Willie Brown,

they'd be going after these guys hammer and tong.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (eDfFs)

317 I recently quit the WSJ after a 30+ year subscription. Leftist news, mostlly anti-Trump editorial staff. What's not to loathe?
Posted by: JM in Ill
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You can include loathing Rupert Murdoch and family for running the WSJ (and the Times) into the ground. Although, the WSJ was only conservative on the editorial pages under Bob Bartlett. Al Hunt, a nasty scrunt, was the long time Washington beat WSJ bureau chief and as lefty lib as they come.

By and large, the investor class reading the WSJ cares most about short term returns and the 'game'.

Not actually building strong companies nor giving one shit about the US and its citizens. Cheap labor, open borders, along with a foreign policy designed to protect investors rather than Americans is what the WSJ has always preached.

Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (bt/Nj)

318 Re: EV Cop Cars

Let’s not forget EMI/EMC issues with 100 Watt police radios mounted in and transmitting from a vehicle loaded with power electronics and processors. It’s a recipie for all sorts of difficult to mitigate problems.

Posted by: Dirac_Delta at October 18, 2024 12:27 PM (JSF6W)

319 January 2027: As President Harris signs the formal U.S. Surrender to the Axis Powers of China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea, she bitterly complains that Presidents Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, and Truman failed to position her for success.

Posted by: Smoking Holes at October 18, 2024 12:28 PM (qUkBO)

320 Kamoaist should have hired a male campaign manager.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 18, 2024 12:28 PM (c711F)

321 DNC conventions in Madison Square Garden in 1976, 1980, and 1992. RNC held their in 2004.

John Kennedy, George Wallace, FDR among others who gave speeches in MSG. Selective history bullsh*t.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (DZmjV)

322 317 I recently quit the WSJ after a 30+ year subscription. Leftist news, mostlly anti-Trump editorial staff. What's not to loathe?
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I did the same in November 2020.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at October 18, 2024 12:30 PM (qUkBO)

323 Kamoaist should have hired a male campaign manager.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 18, 2024 12:28 PM (c711F)

Given Kamala's shortcomings and anger issues, I don't know that they would have done much better.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 18, 2024 12:31 PM (MQJVv)

324 238 The joy is gone.

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That sounds fun.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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I worked in one losing campaign and it is sort of like the losing team in The Natural. One bad thing happens after another.

The candidates themselves either comport themselves as an adult and take it on the chin, or they act like Kamala is--blaming everyone but herself for her poor performance.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:04 PM (bt/Nj)

Someone who understands they are only a created image will deeply believe their shortcomings can only be a result of an improperly constructed image. It can’t be Kamala’s fault because there is nothing of herself in her public image. Therefore it must be the fault of those who give her what to say, how to look, or create the media message. She cannot grasp how she herself affects people’s perception of her.

Posted by: Advo at October 18, 2024 12:33 PM (jO4mz)

325 317 Not actually building strong companies nor giving one shit about the US and its citizens. Cheap labor, open borders, along with a foreign policy designed to protect investors rather than Americans is what the WSJ has always preached.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (bt/Nj)

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Yes, and that poisonous thinking will damage the WSJ long after Trump is gone.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 18, 2024 12:34 PM (S8OGg)

326 Lithium battery fires in big rigs is now common in CA. The highway to Vegas was closed for hours bc of one; the port was closed a few months ago bc of one.

And when we all have our EVs, the govt will ration electricity. That's why they never give an answer to how we're going to have enough juice for an all-EV country. Their dream come true: cutting us off from freedom of movement.

Posted by: PJU at October 18, 2024 12:45 PM (RRCAT)

327 What is the best way to take out a drone anyway?
Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 12:14 PM (fwDg9)

***

Sticks don't work

Posted by: Yahya Sinwar at October 18, 2024 12:47 PM (1FWWQ)

328 Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.

The joy is gone.
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It's just hard to believe this about kumala.
She seems so likable and nice.

Anyway...

Posted by: Florida Peasant at October 18, 2024 01:05 PM (Lo97M)

329 Harris screaming at her campaign manager for advising her not to attend Al Smith:

I guess "the buck doesn't stop here" with Harris. Genuine leaders make the final decision, & take responsibility if it goes wrong, too.

Posted by: mnw at October 18, 2024 01:12 PM (NLIak)

330 )) Hot girls are waiting for you on --- www.Nu21.eu

Posted by: Lansa at October 18, 2024 02:02 PM (tAxhP)

331 The most stunning display of pilot incompetence in commercial aviation history, by 2 Pakistani Airline pilots.

https://tinyurl.com/2t6tyweh

Crash photos are incredible.

Posted by: Beverly at October 18, 2024 02:28 PM (Epeb0)

332 Until they develop an easily replaceable, non-incendiary, and affordable alternative to lithium batteries, people at large will not run headlong into the EV market.

With three kids and a mortgage and garbage economy, we have managed to stay afloat with used cars that others were discarding -- ones with over 100k miles and dents & dings. There's no way I'm buying a used hybrid or EV with their attending failure rate and expensive replacement costs. Hell, I get irritated when an electric drill begins to lose its rechargeable capacity. I think I'd go ballistic if I became limited to 10-mile trips on a used Tesla.

Posted by: red speck at October 18, 2024 02:30 PM (oylnX)

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