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Independent Panel Says That Senior Leadership of Secret Service Has Failed and Must Be Replaced "As Soon as Praticable"
The incompetence is calling from inside the agency.
More:
The assassination attempt that injured former President Donald Trump in Butler, PA in July, was enabled by "numerous mistakes" by the Secret Service and "specific failures and breakdowns," an independent, bipartisan review set out Thursday. The panel of four former senior law enforcement and government officials cautioned that another catastrophic security lapse could transpire if the U.S. Secret Service does not immediately undertake "fundamental reform." "The Secret Service as an agency requires fundamental reform to carry out its mission," they added. "Without that reform, the Independent Review Panel believes another Butler can and will happen again." ... The group said they identified "deep flaws in the Secret Service, including some that appear to be systemic or cultural" including a "lack of critical thinking among Secret Service personnel" and agents' unwillingness to "speak up" regarding potential threats. The review made clear money was not the sole cause of the mistakes and root-and-branch reform for the entire organization must follow.
It stated the agency's failure go beyond spending. "Even an unlimited budget would not, by itself, remediate many of the failures of July 13," it said.
The 52-page report highlights the urgent need for reform within the agency, particularly calling for the replacement of current leadership with appointees from outside the Secret Service. The panel emphasized that the agency had become "bureaucratic, complacent, and static," warning that similar security failures could recur unless significant changes are made. The leadership change, they recommended, should occur "as soon as practicable."Outside the Secret Service -- they don't want another corrupt, incompetent internal promotion as with Rowe.
Comments
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Is it by design ?
Posted by: It's me donna at October 18, 2024 12:15 PM (IyPmt)
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Welcome!
Posted by: Open Channel D at October 18, 2024 12:15 PM (tgTrV)
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Ha, ha, ha.
Posted by: The Deep State! at October 18, 2024 12:15 PM (uxCna)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 18, 2024 12:15 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: garrett at October 18, 2024 12:16 PM (te6KH)
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Deep Flaws ... or Deep State leaving Trump exposed intentionally?
Posted by: illiniwek at October 18, 2024 12:16 PM (Cus5s)
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Not enough womyns of disparate origins?
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 18, 2024 12:16 PM (pIfcn)
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A good start would be getting rid of the DEI hires.
Posted by: IC - #FJB at October 18, 2024 12:16 PM (EI044)
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 12:17 PM (Do0tC)
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The 52-page report highlights the urgent need for reform within the agency, particularly calling for the replacement of current leadership with appointees from outside the Secret Service. The panel emphasized that the agency had become "bureaucratic, complacent, and static," warning that similar security failures could recur unless significant changes are made. The leadership change, they recommended, should occur "as soon as practicable."
Outside the Secret Service -- they don't want another corrupt, incompetent internal promotion as with Rowe.
The hiring of top quality personnel will require a realistic salary outside of the CS rules. I know that many here think every Fed is overpaid, but you get what you pay for.
Outside the Secret Service -- they don't want another corrupt, incompetent internal promotion as with Rowe.
The hiring of top quality personnel will require a realistic salary outside of the CS rules. I know that many here think every Fed is overpaid, but you get what you pay for.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:17 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:17 PM (xCA6C)
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IThe president's line about being under fire was gold. It both made a point and humiliated the Democrats.
IThe president's line about being under fire was gold. It both made a point and humiliated the Democrats.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 12:18 PM (Do0tC)
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7 Not enough womyns of disparate origins?
8 A good start would be getting rid of the DEI hires.
I haven't read the report, but I wonder if that's implied.
8 A good start would be getting rid of the DEI hires.
I haven't read the report, but I wonder if that's implied.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:18 PM (xCA6C)
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I remember how effed up the Secret Service was even under Obama.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:18 PM (v6JzV)
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The hiring of top quality personnel will require a realistic salary outside of the CS rules. I know that many here think every Fed is overpaid, but you get what you pay for.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:17 PM (xCA6C)
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Maybe they can cut down on the number of people they protect.
The hiring of top quality personnel will require a realistic salary outside of the CS rules. I know that many here think every Fed is overpaid, but you get what you pay for.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:17 PM (xCA6C)
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Maybe they can cut down on the number of people they protect.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 18, 2024 12:19 PM (jmMtJ)
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Just get rid of it, and use private security. Or better yet, hire Israelis.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 12:19 PM (1bNHn)
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Now do the FBI.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:19 PM (L/fGl)
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‘ Deep State leaving Trump exposed intentionally?’
An assassination attempt disguised as incompetence.
‘ Deep State leaving Trump exposed intentionally?’
An assassination attempt disguised as incompetence.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 18, 2024 12:19 PM (jbnUc)
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Good afternoon Ace and everyone
Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 12:19 PM (fwDg9)
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The group said they identified "deep flaws in the Secret Service, including some that appear to be systemic or cultural" including a "lack of critical thinking among Secret Service personnel" and agents' unwillingness to "speak up" regarding potential threats.
So basically a well trained Infantry platoon could do a hell of a lot better job.
So basically a well trained Infantry platoon could do a hell of a lot better job.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 12:20 PM (W/lyH)
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Now do rest of Homeland Security
Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 12:20 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: gnats local 678 at October 18, 2024 12:20 PM (CWTWj)
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And now, the Morning crazy.
Jen "We aren't going back " Rubin
@JRubinBlogger
So Trump burrows deeper into the belly of the MAGA beast, schedules a rally at Madison Square Garden reminiscent of the German American Bund’s Nazi rally in February 1939. A man increasingly showing signs of intellectual and physical deterioration (e.g., falling asleep at his trial and his own convention, sometimes appearing listless and tired at rallies even before Monday’s gobsmacking outing) seeks to pump himself and his followers up in feverish rallies that play on hatred of immigrants and revenge fantasies.
Jen "We aren't going back " Rubin
@JRubinBlogger
So Trump burrows deeper into the belly of the MAGA beast, schedules a rally at Madison Square Garden reminiscent of the German American Bund’s Nazi rally in February 1939. A man increasingly showing signs of intellectual and physical deterioration (e.g., falling asleep at his trial and his own convention, sometimes appearing listless and tired at rallies even before Monday’s gobsmacking outing) seeks to pump himself and his followers up in feverish rallies that play on hatred of immigrants and revenge fantasies.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:20 PM (L/fGl)
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Maybe they can cut down on the number of people they protect.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken
Different question, but definitely should be considered.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken
Different question, but definitely should be considered.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:20 PM (xCA6C)
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I have a friend who is with the K9 unit of SS. Really hope I can have a beer with him soon and hear the stories.
Posted by: NR Pax at October 18, 2024 12:20 PM (jjoN6)
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The hiring of top quality personnel will require a realistic salary outside of the CS rules. I know that many here think every Fed is overpaid, but you get what you pay for.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:17 PM (xCA6C)
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Maybe they can cut down on the number of people they protect.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 18, 2024 12:19 PM (jmMtJ)
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They've already started doing that. Beginning with not protecting Trump.
The hiring of top quality personnel will require a realistic salary outside of the CS rules. I know that many here think every Fed is overpaid, but you get what you pay for.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:17 PM (xCA6C)
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Maybe they can cut down on the number of people they protect.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 18, 2024 12:19 PM (jmMtJ)
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They've already started doing that. Beginning with not protecting Trump.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 12:20 PM (1bNHn)
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being in love with working for the government means never having to say you're sorry
Posted by: gnats local 678 at October 18, 2024 12:21 PM (CWTWj)
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This report could apply to every government agency. Just slap a different cover sheet on it and issue for DOJ FBI CIA DHS etc etc….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 18, 2024 12:21 PM (WnEm5)
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‘ personnel will require a realistic salary outside of the CS rules’
Those assassination attempts were not a product of low salaries.
‘ personnel will require a realistic salary outside of the CS rules’
Those assassination attempts were not a product of low salaries.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 18, 2024 12:21 PM (jbnUc)
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Not enough womyns of disparate origins?
8 A good start would be getting rid of the DEI hires.
I haven't read the report, but I wonder if that's implied.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:18 PM (xCA6C)
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I think of that poor bastard in Oregon who decided to hire based on competence instead of DEI bullshit, and was placed on administrative leave. Yeah...this USSS reeks of this.
8 A good start would be getting rid of the DEI hires.
I haven't read the report, but I wonder if that's implied.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:18 PM (xCA6C)
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I think of that poor bastard in Oregon who decided to hire based on competence instead of DEI bullshit, and was placed on administrative leave. Yeah...this USSS reeks of this.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 12:21 PM (W/lyH)
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Outside the Secret Service -- they don't want another corrupt, incompetent internal promotion as with Rowe.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 12:14 PM
They want someone who will tell the likes of Mayorkas to piss off, and do the job right anyway.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 12:14 PM
They want someone who will tell the likes of Mayorkas to piss off, and do the job right anyway.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (4XwPj)
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Those assassination attempts were not a product of low salaries.
I see. I'm glad you've figured out all the problems.
I see. I'm glad you've figured out all the problems.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (xCA6C)
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Bug? No, not a bug. The current leadership is working as intended.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (gGNEq)
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I refuse to submit to the incompetance theory. Nobody is that stupid.
How much would you have to pay me to think about covering all the roofs? It aint the money.
How much would you have to pay me to think about covering all the roofs? It aint the money.
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (Z8Yh2)
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The group said they identified "deep flaws in the Secret Service, including some that appear to be systemic or cultural" including a "lack of critical thinking among Secret Service personnel" and agents' unwillingness to "speak up" regarding potential threats.
It makes it sound like the botched Bud Light ad campaign instead of a near-miss assassination attempt.
The group said they identified "deep flaws in the Secret Service, including some that appear to be systemic or cultural" including a "lack of critical thinking among Secret Service personnel" and agents' unwillingness to "speak up" regarding potential threats.
It makes it sound like the botched Bud Light ad campaign instead of a near-miss assassination attempt.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (EsZUh)
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23 And now, the Morning crazy.
Jen "We aren't going back " Rubin
@JRubinBlogger
So Trump burrows deeper into the belly of the MAGA beast, schedules a rally at Madison Square Garden reminiscent of the German American Bund’s Nazi rally in February 1939. A man increasingly showing signs of intellectual and physical deterioration (e.g., falling asleep at his trial and his own convention, sometimes appearing listless and tired at rallies even before Monday’s gobsmacking outing) seeks to pump himself and his followers up in feverish rallies that play on hatred of immigrants and revenge fantasies.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:20 PM (L/fGl)
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Are we to understand that everything held in MSG is Nazi? Like the circus I was taken to as a child? Or Knicks games and boxing matches?
Sure, Jen.
Jen "We aren't going back " Rubin
@JRubinBlogger
So Trump burrows deeper into the belly of the MAGA beast, schedules a rally at Madison Square Garden reminiscent of the German American Bund’s Nazi rally in February 1939. A man increasingly showing signs of intellectual and physical deterioration (e.g., falling asleep at his trial and his own convention, sometimes appearing listless and tired at rallies even before Monday’s gobsmacking outing) seeks to pump himself and his followers up in feverish rallies that play on hatred of immigrants and revenge fantasies.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:20 PM (L/fGl)
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Are we to understand that everything held in MSG is Nazi? Like the circus I was taken to as a child? Or Knicks games and boxing matches?
Sure, Jen.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (1bNHn)
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Makes you wonder who's cocaine it was they found at the White House.
Makes you wonder who's cocaine it was they found at the White House.
Posted by: Auspex at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (j4U/Z)
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I think of that poor bastard in Oregon who decided to hire based on competence instead of DEI bullshit, and was placed on administrative leave. Yeah...this USSS reeks of this.
No doubt.
No doubt.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (xCA6C)
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Heads would explode if Eric Prince would be put in charge,
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (FCrpy)
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Surely there are some special ops soldiers who would be great at gutting the Secret Service and rebuilding it from the ground up.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (N39Ws)
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Jen Rubin…. Exhibit A as to the virulence of TDS. She’s frickin’ insane
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 18, 2024 12:23 PM (WnEm5)
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>>I remember how effed up the Secret Service was even under Obama.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:18 PM
Hillary treated them like dirt when BJ was in the WH.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:18 PM
Hillary treated them like dirt when BJ was in the WH.
Posted by: huerfano at October 18, 2024 12:23 PM (VGOMa)
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maybe jen rubin and kamala can start doing a stage act after kamala loses. i just wonder which one will throw the fish
Posted by: gnats local 678 at October 18, 2024 12:23 PM (CWTWj)
Posted by: Czech Chick at October 18, 2024 12:23 PM (fpVC1)
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Yes but the head of the SS should also be arrested for attempted murder.
These weren't failures they were intentional
These weren't failures they were intentional
Posted by: 18-1 at October 18, 2024 12:24 PM (oZhjI)
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Put Bongino in charge of the USSS.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:24 PM (v6JzV)
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Only saw a very few who I thought were SS at rally
Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 12:24 PM (fwDg9)
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I mean, they had two assassination attempts that were essentially thwarted by Divine Providence and nothing else.
And for a, Failure Is Not An Option dealy-o, that's, uh, not a good look.
And for a, Failure Is Not An Option dealy-o, that's, uh, not a good look.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 18, 2024 12:24 PM (XV/Pl)
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Yes but the head of the SS should also be arrested for attempted murder.
These weren't failures they were intentional
I'm generally in the "don't assign to malice that which is explicable by incompetence" camp. I may make an exception here.
These weren't failures they were intentional
I'm generally in the "don't assign to malice that which is explicable by incompetence" camp. I may make an exception here.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:24 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (U1w17)
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Hillary treated them like dirt when BJ was in the WH.
Posted by: huerfano at October 18, 2024 12:23 PM (VGOMa)
From a book I read, I saw that Republicans treated them like family while Democrats treated them like low-level servants.
Hillary treated them like dirt when BJ was in the WH.
Posted by: huerfano at October 18, 2024 12:23 PM (VGOMa)
From a book I read, I saw that Republicans treated them like family while Democrats treated them like low-level servants.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (EsZUh)
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Is Jen Rubin on Epstein list or something ?? Or her close friends/family members are ?? That is the only explanation I have for that plaid level of cray-cray.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (V13WU)
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Maybe they can cut down on the number of people they protect.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken
Different question, but definitely should be considered.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:20 PM (xCA6C)
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I bet things would get some real attention if one or two of the "not Trump" protectees got shot at.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken
Different question, but definitely should be considered.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:20 PM (xCA6C)
***
I bet things would get some real attention if one or two of the "not Trump" protectees got shot at.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (W/lyH)
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A good start would be getting rid of the DEI hires.
Posted by: IC - #FJB at October 18, 2024 12:16 PM (EI044)
Or, the US Gov could simply outsource their employee selection agencies to the private sector - like Disney, Inc.
Posted by: IC - #FJB at October 18, 2024 12:16 PM (EI044)
Or, the US Gov could simply outsource their employee selection agencies to the private sector - like Disney, Inc.
Posted by: mrp at October 18, 2024 12:26 PM (rj6Yv)
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But these nincompoops and diversity hires can carry “weapons of war” like SBRs and select fire guns that must not be allowed in civilian hands.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 18, 2024 12:26 PM (RVvEd)
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‘ see. I'm glad you've figured out all the problems.’
Not all but relative to your thinking, yes.
The problem is no one from Biden to Mayorkas to the SS think that it’s their job to do their job. You would tell these people “If we pay you more, THEN would you do what you’re in office for?”
Fuck that.
‘ see. I'm glad you've figured out all the problems.’
Not all but relative to your thinking, yes.
The problem is no one from Biden to Mayorkas to the SS think that it’s their job to do their job. You would tell these people “If we pay you more, THEN would you do what you’re in office for?”
Fuck that.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 18, 2024 12:27 PM (jbnUc)
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52 Is Jen Rubin on Epstein list or something ?? Or her close friends/family members are ?? That is the only explanation I have for that plaid level of cray-cray.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (V13WU)
If you hadn't been touched by another human in decades, you might be a little loony, too.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (V13WU)
If you hadn't been touched by another human in decades, you might be a little loony, too.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 12:27 PM (KbCG3)
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I’ll go out on a limb and say there’d be zero risk in pulling all SS protection from Jimmah. I wonder how many people he merits on his detail?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 18, 2024 12:27 PM (5MZNC)
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SS higher ups need to have a meeting with The Bobs.
Posted by: NR Pax at October 18, 2024 12:27 PM (jjoN6)
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Good news, everyone!
Secret Service Pledges Reform After Panel’s Critical Report on Trump Assassination Attempt
Secret Service Pledges Reform After Panel’s Critical Report on Trump Assassination Attempt
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:27 PM (L/fGl)
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>>>reminiscent of the German American Bund’s Nazi rally in February 1939
Ah yes, the "socialists" wing of the Denocrat party.
Yes, just like that.
>>>reminiscent of the German American Bund’s Nazi rally in February 1939
Ah yes, the "socialists" wing of the Denocrat party.
Yes, just like that.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 12:27 PM (Do0tC)
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Afternoon Ace. "As soon as practicable" means right after Trump's next assassin is successful
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 18, 2024 12:28 PM (YUtTn)
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I like the MSG rally in theory. But the feds are going to stage something during that rally to make it seem/turn violent and “nazi”.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at October 18, 2024 12:28 PM (najRc)
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Just get rid of it, and use private security. Or better yet, hire Israelis.
Posted by: Eeyore
I said it eight years ago, don't trust the SS, get PMC contractors instead.
Nothing since has done anything but proven me right.
Posted by: Eeyore
I said it eight years ago, don't trust the SS, get PMC contractors instead.
Nothing since has done anything but proven me right.
Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at October 18, 2024 12:28 PM (OUMaO)
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The problem is no one from Biden to Mayorkas to the SS think that it’s their job to do their job. You would tell these people “If we pay you more, THEN would you do what you’re in office for?”
I would tell these people "You're getting a good (in the real world) salary. You will do your jobs, and do them with excellence, or you're fired".
I would tell these people "You're getting a good (in the real world) salary. You will do your jobs, and do them with excellence, or you're fired".
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:28 PM (xCA6C)
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52 Is Jen Rubin on Epstein list or something ?? Or her close friends/family members are ?? That is the only explanation I have for that plaid level of cray-cray.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (V13WU)
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Have you ever seen Rubin? How much would she have to pay? And that's assuming she's interested.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (V13WU)
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Have you ever seen Rubin? How much would she have to pay? And that's assuming she's interested.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (1bNHn)
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57 52 Is Jen Rubin on Epstein list or something ?? Or her close friends/family members are ?? That is the only explanation I have for that plaid level of cray-cray.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (V13WU)
If you hadn't been touched by another human in decades, you might be a little loony, too.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 12:27 PM (KbCG3)
God help me, I’ll admit (sheepishly) there was a time in the 90s when Rubin gave me a little tingle down my leg…
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (V13WU)
If you hadn't been touched by another human in decades, you might be a little loony, too.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 12:27 PM (KbCG3)
God help me, I’ll admit (sheepishly) there was a time in the 90s when Rubin gave me a little tingle down my leg…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (5MZNC)
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I forget who was talking about having to install devices on AF1 to deter heat seeking missiles.
Stolen elections and open borders and hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan are all things we are gonna be paying for well into the future.
Thanks, Philly, Detroit, Atlanta, etc. DIAF.
I forget who was talking about having to install devices on AF1 to deter heat seeking missiles.
Stolen elections and open borders and hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan are all things we are gonna be paying for well into the future.
Thanks, Philly, Detroit, Atlanta, etc. DIAF.
Posted by: Civic Classifier at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (MwtZ5)
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Now, the scumbag, fascist Democrats/Harris voters are resorting to threats of violence against those who vote for Trump:
https://instapundit.com/678498/
This is not a great idea.
Posted by: naturalfake
FAFO.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (3FQ2L)
This is exactly, exactly the reason the FBI went after the KKK and associated groups.
If the modern FBI wasn't the same to the Democrat Party as Kamala was to Willie Brown,
they'd be going after these guys hammer and tong.
While you're at it, put the Sec Serv in the same Kamala to the DNC's Willie List
https://instapundit.com/678498/
This is not a great idea.
Posted by: naturalfake
FAFO.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (3FQ2L)
This is exactly, exactly the reason the FBI went after the KKK and associated groups.
If the modern FBI wasn't the same to the Democrat Party as Kamala was to Willie Brown,
they'd be going after these guys hammer and tong.
While you're at it, put the Sec Serv in the same Kamala to the DNC's Willie List
Posted by: naturalfake at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (eDfFs)
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SS higher ups need to have a meeting with The Bobs.
Posted by: NR Pax at October 18, 2024 12:27 PM (jjoN6)
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It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.
Posted by: NR Pax at October 18, 2024 12:27 PM (jjoN6)
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It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.
Posted by: Secret Service Guy at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (2UnvF)
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reminiscent of the German American Bund’s Nazi rally in February 1939.
All she needs is a tooth brush moustache:
https://media.breitbart.com/media
/2024/10/Kamala
-Harris-finger-raised-rally-ap-640x480.jpg
reminiscent of the German American Bund’s Nazi rally in February 1939.
All she needs is a tooth brush moustache:
https://media.breitbart.com/media
/2024/10/Kamala
-Harris-finger-raised-rally-ap-640x480.jpg
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (C/aog)
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I can't believe it, Elon was in our AO yesterday and I missed it!
https://tinyurl.com/bdfu2nnb
goes to youtube
https://tinyurl.com/bdfu2nnb
goes to youtube
Posted by: kallisto at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (dCxaZ)
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Secret Service Pledges Reform After Panel’s Critical Report on Trump Assassination Attempt
There's the problem. Nobody believes the SS will reform itself. It must be imposed from the outside.
There's the problem. Nobody believes the SS will reform itself. It must be imposed from the outside.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (xCA6C)
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Are we to understand that everything held in MSG is Nazi? Like the circus I was taken to as a child? Or Knicks games and boxing matches?
Sure, Jen.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (1bNHn)
"Hey man, I'm stoked to see the Rangers whoop those damn heebs."
"Uh, dude, they're playing the Habs."
"Dammit!"
Sure, Jen.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (1bNHn)
"Hey man, I'm stoked to see the Rangers whoop those damn heebs."
"Uh, dude, they're playing the Habs."
"Dammit!"
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 12:30 PM (KbCG3)
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... particularly calling for the replacement of current leadership with appointees from outside the Secret Service.
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Erik Prince is tanned, rested, and ready for exploding commie heads.
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Erik Prince is tanned, rested, and ready for exploding commie heads.
Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 12:30 PM (TDdfP)
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lol @ "revenge fantasies"
Lo, the projection!
This woman's pussy hasn't been touched in 40 years.
lol @ "revenge fantasies"
Lo, the projection!
This woman's pussy hasn't been touched in 40 years.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 12:30 PM (Do0tC)
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So basically a well trained Infantry platoon could do a hell of a lot better job.
Posted by: Diogenes
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Was my thought. Train them as military police. It also eases removal of incompetents to standing watch in Alaska.
Posted by: Diogenes
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Was my thought. Train them as military police. It also eases removal of incompetents to standing watch in Alaska.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:30 PM (bt/Nj)
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67 57 52 Is Jen Rubin on Epstein list or something ?? Or her close friends/family members are ?? That is the only explanation I have for that plaid level of cray-cray.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (V13WU)
If you hadn't been touched by another human in decades, you might be a little loony, too.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 12:27 PM (KbCG3)
God help me, I’ll admit (sheepishly) there was a time in the 90s when Rubin gave me a little tingle down my leg…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (5MZNC)
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There are drugs to help with incontinence.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (V13WU)
If you hadn't been touched by another human in decades, you might be a little loony, too.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 12:27 PM (KbCG3)
God help me, I’ll admit (sheepishly) there was a time in the 90s when Rubin gave me a little tingle down my leg…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (5MZNC)
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There are drugs to help with incontinence.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 12:31 PM (1bNHn)
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Hillary treated them like dirt when BJ was in the WH.
Posted by: huerfano at October 18, 2024 12:23 PM (VGOMa)
From a book I read, I saw that Republicans treated them like family while Democrats treated them like low-level servants.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (EsZUh)
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One of my officers went on to a White House Fellow assignment. She absolutely would not talk about it...NDA's up the ass. But, when the subject changed from Republican to Democrat occupants, her demeaner would change as well.
"Nuff said.
Posted by: huerfano at October 18, 2024 12:23 PM (VGOMa)
From a book I read, I saw that Republicans treated them like family while Democrats treated them like low-level servants.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (EsZUh)
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One of my officers went on to a White House Fellow assignment. She absolutely would not talk about it...NDA's up the ass. But, when the subject changed from Republican to Democrat occupants, her demeaner would change as well.
"Nuff said.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 12:31 PM (W/lyH)
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She used to be a Hollywood lawyer. Like Emhoff.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2024 12:31 PM (V13WU)
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I think I just used "lo" grammatically correct. Judges?
I think I just used "lo" grammatically correct. Judges?
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 12:32 PM (Do0tC)
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Not half as bad as the senior leadership of the CIA, who burned through multiple patsies and only made Trump more popular.
Posted by: Lurker at October 18, 2024 12:32 PM (FC8SQ)
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kallisto I saw he was, no idea at what venue
Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 12:32 PM (fwDg9)
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I would tell these people "You're fired. And you're fired. And you're fired, too. Hell, everybody in this department is fired."
And then I'd tell their replacements "If you don't do your job, I'll fire you faster than I fired your predecessor."
And then I'd tell their replacements "If you don't do your job, I'll fire you faster than I fired your predecessor."
Posted by: mrp at October 18, 2024 12:32 PM (rj6Yv)
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I can't believe it, Elon was in our AO yesterday and I missed it!
https://tinyurl.com/bdfu2nnb
goes to youtube
Posted by: kallisto at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (dCxaZ)
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When is he gonna get his ass here?
https://tinyurl.com/bdfu2nnb
goes to youtube
Posted by: kallisto at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (dCxaZ)
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When is he gonna get his ass here?
Posted by: Martians for Trump at October 18, 2024 12:32 PM (TDdfP)
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A competency crisis is throughout all of western civilization. The DIE stupidity feeds into this crisis. A demolish and rebuild is required, save the good, true and beautiful. Destroy the evil such as the DIE and LGBTQwerty agendas. Reform at this point is just a bandaid.
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 18, 2024 12:32 PM (TN5A0)
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Hulk smash!
Hulk Hogan Says: "American Dream Is What This Country Is All About, And Donald Trump Represents That”
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Judge prance!
“RuPaul’s Drag Race” Judge Endorses Trump
Hulk Hogan Says: "American Dream Is What This Country Is All About, And Donald Trump Represents That”
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Judge prance!
“RuPaul’s Drag Race” Judge Endorses Trump
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:32 PM (L/fGl)
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I think President security should be handled by a military unit. A group of special forces guys who are chosen to serve as security detail. Four year tour of duty. Get rid of the civilian secret service and get real professionals in there.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 12:33 PM (4XwPj)
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Same solution as the FBI and the State Department: starting with the top level, fire everyone until you reach the level where competency resides. If that doesn't exist, sack the lot and rebuild from scratch.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 18, 2024 12:33 PM (CwhoI)
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In fact, I'm going to be blunt.
Anyone who expects those they are opposed to do to their level best to protect them in any way is a madman.
And each party trusted the other to protect their candidate for how long? Until Trump...
It's obvious now, of course, but damn.
Anyone who expects those they are opposed to do to their level best to protect them in any way is a madman.
And each party trusted the other to protect their candidate for how long? Until Trump...
It's obvious now, of course, but damn.
Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at October 18, 2024 12:33 PM (OUMaO)
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The answer, of course, is MOAR DEI and ESG with some CRT thrown in there. It's that we just don't have enough of it.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 18, 2024 12:33 PM (17s+e)
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So basically a well trained Infantry platoon could do a hell of a lot better job.
Posted by: Diogenes
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Was my thought. Train them as military police. It also eases removal of incompetents to standing watch in Alaska.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:30 PM (bt/Nj)
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When I was stationed in Turkey we had an MP platoon there as part of the security detail on our site. A dozen of them were cross trained in personal security and protection. They loved doing the job, got to wear suits and sunglasses, all very cool. And they were damned good at it.
Posted by: Diogenes
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Was my thought. Train them as military police. It also eases removal of incompetents to standing watch in Alaska.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:30 PM (bt/Nj)
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When I was stationed in Turkey we had an MP platoon there as part of the security detail on our site. A dozen of them were cross trained in personal security and protection. They loved doing the job, got to wear suits and sunglasses, all very cool. And they were damned good at it.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 12:33 PM (W/lyH)
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I think I just used "lo" grammatically correct. Judges?
Posted by: Soothsayer
You left off "and behold" afterward.
Also, you should've added a "yon."
Posted by: Soothsayer
You left off "and behold" afterward.
Also, you should've added a "yon."
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:34 PM (v6JzV)
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God help me, I’ll admit (sheepishly) there was a time in the 90s when Rubin gave me a little tingle down my leg…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (5MZNC)
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There are drugs to help with incontinence.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 12:31 PM (1bNHn)
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LOL
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (5MZNC)
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There are drugs to help with incontinence.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 12:31 PM (1bNHn)
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LOL
Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 12:34 PM (TDdfP)
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Presidents who were shot:
Abraham Lincoln: Republican
William McKinley: Republican
James A Garfield: Republican
John F Kennedy: Democrat
Ronald Reagan: Republican
Donald Trump: Republican
I see a pattern.
Abraham Lincoln: Republican
William McKinley: Republican
James A Garfield: Republican
John F Kennedy: Democrat
Ronald Reagan: Republican
Donald Trump: Republican
I see a pattern.
Posted by: Frank Barone at October 18, 2024 12:34 PM (+oR7L)
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74 Are we to understand that everything held in MSG is Nazi? Like the circus I was taken to as a child? Or Knicks games and boxing matches?
Sure, Jen.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (1bNHn)
"Hey man, I'm stoked to see the Rangers whoop those damn heebs."
"Uh, dude, they're playing the Habs."
"Dammit!"
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 12:30 PM (KbCG3)
Where's JackStraw to appreciate this beautiful hockey joke?!
Sure, Jen.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (1bNHn)
"Hey man, I'm stoked to see the Rangers whoop those damn heebs."
"Uh, dude, they're playing the Habs."
"Dammit!"
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 12:30 PM (KbCG3)
Where's JackStraw to appreciate this beautiful hockey joke?!
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 12:34 PM (KbCG3)
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Upping the ante at The Atlantic:
'When Hitler Isn't Bad Enough!' The Atlantic Ups Dictator Ante to Sound Alarm About Trump
Why does Trump sound like Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini?".
https://is.gd/LRrefC
This is by Anne Applebaum, who's old enough to know better.
'When Hitler Isn't Bad Enough!' The Atlantic Ups Dictator Ante to Sound Alarm About Trump
Why does Trump sound like Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini?".
https://is.gd/LRrefC
This is by Anne Applebaum, who's old enough to know better.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:35 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: Frank Barone at October 18, 2024 12:35 PM (+oR7L)
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Kamala "wins", the independent panel's recommendation is followed and current SS is replaced with long black leather coat SS.
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at October 18, 2024 12:35 PM (lg881)
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I think I just used "lo" grammatically correct. Judges?
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 12:32 PM (Do0tC)
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Lo, there do I see my father...
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 12:32 PM (Do0tC)
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Lo, there do I see my father...
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at October 18, 2024 12:35 PM (U1w17)
Posted by: t-bird at October 18, 2024 12:36 PM (iDNwP)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 18, 2024 12:36 PM (CwhoI)
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Posted by: Frank Barone at October 18, 2024 12:34 PM (+oR7L)
Ford got shot at twice. And the first president to get shot at was Andrew Jackson.
Ford got shot at twice. And the first president to get shot at was Andrew Jackson.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:36 PM (v6JzV)
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I think President security should be handled by a military unit. A group of special forces guys who are chosen to serve as security detail. Four year tour of duty. Get rid of the civilian secret service and get real professionals in there.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 12:33 PM (4XwPj)
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+1 especially if there are any non-#Woke units left ...
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 12:33 PM (4XwPj)
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+1 especially if there are any non-#Woke units left ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 12:36 PM (TDdfP)
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If the panel was not diverse then their recommendation should be ignored. Only people of identifying as something other than white Christian male, women, men identifying as women and foreign nationals should be in the USSS.
Posted by: Bang-a-gong at October 18, 2024 12:36 PM (SRiFu)
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:36 PM (xCA6C)
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I would tell these people "You're getting a good (in the real world) salary. You will do your jobs, and do them with excellence, or you're fired".
Posted by: Archimedes
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Civil service laws and rules thwart that. Basically civil service has become a racket and it is far too hard to remove bad eggs. To the extent that a VA employee in Puerto Rico decided to become an armed robber in his free time. He was caught and incarcerated (which obviously meant he could not do his job at the VA). He was fired. The Merits board reinstated the employment of this dude along with bennies backdated to the firing. It reasoned that he wasn't being a robber on VA time so he could not be fired for it.
My grandfather was chief of personnel for the AOUSC. Even decades ago, he said it would take him about a year to build a case to fire someone. It was far easier to promote the dead weight to a rubber room task where they essentially did no work. That is how you get people like the EPA dude shitting in the hallways.
And btw, comparable pay and bennies of teh Feds has far outstripped that in private industry. Wasn't true in the 70's and 80's. but true for the last twenty years or so.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Civil service laws and rules thwart that. Basically civil service has become a racket and it is far too hard to remove bad eggs. To the extent that a VA employee in Puerto Rico decided to become an armed robber in his free time. He was caught and incarcerated (which obviously meant he could not do his job at the VA). He was fired. The Merits board reinstated the employment of this dude along with bennies backdated to the firing. It reasoned that he wasn't being a robber on VA time so he could not be fired for it.
My grandfather was chief of personnel for the AOUSC. Even decades ago, he said it would take him about a year to build a case to fire someone. It was far easier to promote the dead weight to a rubber room task where they essentially did no work. That is how you get people like the EPA dude shitting in the hallways.
And btw, comparable pay and bennies of teh Feds has far outstripped that in private industry. Wasn't true in the 70's and 80's. but true for the last twenty years or so.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:37 PM (bt/Nj)
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I see a pattern.
Posted by: Frank Barone at October 18, 2024 12:34 PM
By today's terminology tax cutting JFK, 'Chesterton's fence' reading would be a right wing extremist.
I see a pattern.
Posted by: Frank Barone at October 18, 2024 12:34 PM
By today's terminology tax cutting JFK, 'Chesterton's fence' reading would be a right wing extremist.
Posted by: Civic Classifier at October 18, 2024 12:37 PM (MwtZ5)
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Why does Trump sound like Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini?"
They forgot Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan and Vlad the Impaler...
They forgot Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan and Vlad the Impaler...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 18, 2024 12:37 PM (IyPmt)
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I would tell these people "You're fired. And you're fired. And you're fired, too. Hell, everybody in this department is fired."
And then I'd tell their replacements "If you don't do your job, I'll fire you faster than I fired your predecessor."
Absolutely. Defenestration may also be an option.
And then I'd tell their replacements "If you don't do your job, I'll fire you faster than I fired your predecessor."
Absolutely. Defenestration may also be an option.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:37 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: Rod Porkmore at October 18, 2024 12:38 PM (1NvMo)
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Why does Trump sound like Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini?"
They forgot Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan and Vlad the Impaler...
What am I, chopped liver?
They forgot Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan and Vlad the Impaler...
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: Darth Vader at October 18, 2024 12:38 PM (xCA6C)
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Teddy Roosevelt was shot as well
Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 12:38 PM (fwDg9)
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I would tell these people "You're getting a good (in the real world) salary. You will do your jobs, and do them with excellence, or you're fired".
Posted by: Archimedes
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Civil service laws and rules thwart that. Basically civil service has become a racket and it is far too hard to remove bad eggs.
No argument, but I'm talking about how to solve the problem, which would require wholesale changes to how the CS operates. Trump has recognized this.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Civil service laws and rules thwart that. Basically civil service has become a racket and it is far too hard to remove bad eggs.
No argument, but I'm talking about how to solve the problem, which would require wholesale changes to how the CS operates. Trump has recognized this.
Posted by: Darth Vader at October 18, 2024 12:39 PM (xCA6C)
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No doubt about it: they are trying to recruit more assasins
They are trying to get someone to kill President Trump before election day. And they want. They know EXACTLY what they're doing.
No doubt about it: they are trying to recruit more assasins
They are trying to get someone to kill President Trump before election day. And they want. They know EXACTLY what they're doing.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 12:39 PM (Do0tC)
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Kamala "wins", the independent panel's recommendation is followed and current SS is replaced with long black leather coat SS.
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at October 18, 2024 12:35 PM (lg881)
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Members of The New Black Panther Party?
/BTW, learned reading David Horowitz's biography "Radical Son" a few years ago that the nickname of the Black Panther's murderous hit-team back then was "The Squad." Coincidence? I don't think so ...
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at October 18, 2024 12:35 PM (lg881)
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Members of The New Black Panther Party?
/BTW, learned reading David Horowitz's biography "Radical Son" a few years ago that the nickname of the Black Panther's murderous hit-team back then was "The Squad." Coincidence? I don't think so ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 12:39 PM (TDdfP)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:39 PM (v6JzV)
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I see a pattern.
Posted by: Frank Barone
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To be fair, you left out the attempted assasinations of FDR (killed Chicago Mayor Cermak) and of Truman by Puerto Rican terrorists (Blair House incident).
Teddy Roosevelt was shot in an unsuccessful assassination but survived when making a speech post presidency and making noises about running again against Wilson.
Posted by: Frank Barone
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To be fair, you left out the attempted assasinations of FDR (killed Chicago Mayor Cermak) and of Truman by Puerto Rican terrorists (Blair House incident).
Teddy Roosevelt was shot in an unsuccessful assassination but survived when making a speech post presidency and making noises about running again against Wilson.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:39 PM (bt/Nj)
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oops
Posted by: Archimedes = Darth Vader at October 18, 2024 12:39 PM (xCA6C)
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Now take the "root and branch" model of reform across the entire government.
Posted by: Ordinary American at October 18, 2024 12:40 PM (0K/6+)
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Erik Prince is tanned, rested, and ready for exploding commie heads.
Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 12:30 PM (TDdfP)
I used to know his current wife a very long time ago. She was a smokeshow in those days.
Erik Prince is tanned, rested, and ready for exploding commie heads.
Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 12:30 PM (TDdfP)
I used to know his current wife a very long time ago. She was a smokeshow in those days.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 18, 2024 12:40 PM (LxER7)
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109 Why does Trump sound like Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini?"
They forgot Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan and Vlad the Impaler...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 18, 2024 12:37 PM (IyPmt)
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The thought of Vlad fixing our bureaucracy is exciting. Schadenboners all around.
They forgot Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan and Vlad the Impaler...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 18, 2024 12:37 PM (IyPmt)
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The thought of Vlad fixing our bureaucracy is exciting. Schadenboners all around.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 12:40 PM (1bNHn)
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105 If the panel was not diverse then their recommendation should be ignored. Only people of identifying as something other than white Christian male, women, men identifying as women and foreign nationals should be in the USSS.
Posted by: Bang-a-gong at October 18, 2024 12:36 PM (SRiFu)
Annual review ratings of new hires will be measured on a scale of 1 thru 10 for fabulousness!!
Posted by: Bang-a-gong at October 18, 2024 12:36 PM (SRiFu)
Annual review ratings of new hires will be measured on a scale of 1 thru 10 for fabulousness!!
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at October 18, 2024 12:40 PM (uBBbP)
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Damn religious fanatics!
Court Finds British Army Veteran Guilty Over Silent Prayer for His Dead Son
Court Finds British Army Veteran Guilty Over Silent Prayer for His Dead Son
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:40 PM (L/fGl)
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Now take the "root and branch" model of reform across the entire government.
We would prefer not to.
We would prefer not to.
Posted by: EPA people buying a house at October 18, 2024 12:41 PM (xCA6C)
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Literally hitler is going to be at Madison Square Garden, you guys. Here's your chance to "save democracy" from hitler, you guys. You'll be heroes.
Literally hitler is going to be at Madison Square Garden, you guys. Here's your chance to "save democracy" from hitler, you guys. You'll be heroes.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 12:41 PM (Do0tC)
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I think President security should be handled by a military unit. A group of special forces guys who are chosen to serve as security detail. Four year tour of duty. Get rid of the civilian secret service and get real professionals in there.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 12:33 PM (4XwPj)
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But where would the short, fat women who can’t unholster a weapon work? Diversity is our strength which is who we are.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 12:33 PM (4XwPj)
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But where would the short, fat women who can’t unholster a weapon work? Diversity is our strength which is who we are.
Posted by: Lurker at October 18, 2024 12:41 PM (FC8SQ)
Posted by: Die Scheisse at October 18, 2024 12:42 PM (nS6qG)
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Ford was shot at twice.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2024 12:42 PM (V13WU)
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God help me, I’ll admit (sheepishly) there was a time in the 90s when Rubin gave me a little tingle down my leg…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
The 1890s were a long time ago.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
The 1890s were a long time ago.
Posted by: SFGoth at October 18, 2024 12:42 PM (KAi1n)
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The four-person panel awful lot like Dan Bongino.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 18, 2024 12:42 PM (S8OGg)
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The Left was always unhinged.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2024 12:42 PM (V13WU)
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No argument, but I'm talking about how to solve the problem, which would require wholesale changes to how the CS operates. Trump has recognized this.
Posted by: Darth Vader
He has to take on the whole of civil service laws. Essentially, as a constitutional matter, Myers got it right. To run the executive, the president must be able to hire and fire those sympathetic with that president's goals. That is antithetical to the current permanent bureaucratic state which is why reforms have become extremely difficult in the US (and the UK).
Bureaucracy brings down nations regardless of the regime type because they ossify and make it impossible to make critical corrections of course to the ship of state.
Posted by: Darth Vader
He has to take on the whole of civil service laws. Essentially, as a constitutional matter, Myers got it right. To run the executive, the president must be able to hire and fire those sympathetic with that president's goals. That is antithetical to the current permanent bureaucratic state which is why reforms have become extremely difficult in the US (and the UK).
Bureaucracy brings down nations regardless of the regime type because they ossify and make it impossible to make critical corrections of course to the ship of state.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:43 PM (bt/Nj)
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I saw an article on Not the Bee about the poor One Direction guy. I was going to comment appropriately. But alas you need premium membership. So my joke will be lost to the ages.
Shit, I might as well do my job now.
Shit, I might as well do my job now.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 18, 2024 12:43 PM (jbnUc)
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Why does Trump sound like Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini?"
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Projection is not just a river in Egypt.
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Projection is not just a river in Egypt.
Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 12:43 PM (TDdfP)
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You know, all you suicidal depressed mental cases, now's your chance to make a difference on your way out. Take literally hitler with you and the world will love you forever
You know, all you suicidal depressed mental cases, now's your chance to make a difference on your way out. Take literally hitler with you and the world will love you forever
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 12:43 PM (Do0tC)
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"the lack of critical thinking skills" is no accident. It's the goal of modern education. We don't want critical thinkers (which once defined American competence and innovation). They're too much trouble. We want only cowed, compliant tools.
Posted by: Ordinary American at October 18, 2024 12:43 PM (0K/6+)
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5 The Roof was sloped, though.
Also. It was Hot that Day.
Posted by: garrett at October 18, 2024 12:16 PM (te6KH)
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I'm still embarrassed for them over those retard statements.
Also. It was Hot that Day.
Posted by: garrett at October 18, 2024 12:16 PM (te6KH)
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I'm still embarrassed for them over those retard statements.
Posted by: Seems Legit at October 18, 2024 12:43 PM (jyAD3)
Posted by: t-bird at October 18, 2024 12:44 PM (iDNwP)
140
Now, the scumbag, fascist Democrats/Harris voters are resorting to threats of violence against those who vote for Trump:
https://instapundit.com/678498/
This is not a great idea.
Posted by: naturalfake
FAFO.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (3FQ2L)
Please, oh please let them get sporty.
https://instapundit.com/678498/
This is not a great idea.
Posted by: naturalfake
FAFO.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (3FQ2L)
Please, oh please let them get sporty.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 18, 2024 12:44 PM (N39Ws)
141
But where would the short, fat women who can’t unholster a weapon work? Diversity is our strength which is who we are.
Posted by: Lurker
They can go to work as custodial staff at Wal-Mart. Where they belong.
Posted by: Lurker
They can go to work as custodial staff at Wal-Mart. Where they belong.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 12:44 PM (4XwPj)
Posted by: Frank Barone at October 18, 2024 12:44 PM (+oR7L)
143
When they replace the current "leadership" , I hope it is with people who are so good we never heard of them. Not a TV/Radio personality.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2024 12:44 PM (V13WU)
144
He has to take on the whole of civil service laws. Essentially, as a constitutional matter, Myers got it right. To run the executive, the president must be able to hire and fire those sympathetic with that president's goals. That is antithetical to the current permanent bureaucratic state which is why reforms have become extremely difficult in the US (and the UK).
Bureaucracy brings down nations regardless of the regime type because they ossify and make it impossible to make critical corrections of course to the ship of state.
I consider it Trump's most difficult problem to solve. Put another way, he has to demolish the Deep State.
Bureaucracy brings down nations regardless of the regime type because they ossify and make it impossible to make critical corrections of course to the ship of state.
I consider it Trump's most difficult problem to solve. Put another way, he has to demolish the Deep State.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:44 PM (xCA6C)
145
I consider it Trump's most difficult problem to solve. Put another way, he has to demolish the Deep State.
They will not go gently into that good night.
They will not go gently into that good night.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:45 PM (xCA6C)
146
Abraham Lincoln: Republican
William McKinley: Republican
James A Garfield: Republican
John F Kennedy: Democrat*
Ronald Reagan: Republican
Donald Trump: Republican
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* Shot by a commie rat bastard.
William McKinley: Republican
James A Garfield: Republican
John F Kennedy: Democrat*
Ronald Reagan: Republican
Donald Trump: Republican
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* Shot by a commie rat bastard.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:45 PM (L/fGl)
147
Dumbass Cavuto had a couple on that were supposedly crazy with debt who are now successful.
1. One bachelor, one master's degree, six figure student debt.
2. Worked for a while as social workers.
3. Actually identified all their debts
4. Did some handwaving business shit (this is the ???? Part of the story
5. Now they have 16 rental properties in upstate NY.
So, I guess they became slumlords.
1. One bachelor, one master's degree, six figure student debt.
2. Worked for a while as social workers.
3. Actually identified all their debts
4. Did some handwaving business shit (this is the ???? Part of the story
5. Now they have 16 rental properties in upstate NY.
So, I guess they became slumlords.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 18, 2024 12:45 PM (ufFY8)
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14 I remember how effed up the Secret Service was even under Obama.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:18 PM (v6JzV)
Dan Bongino quit the USSS in 2012 without a job to go to, IIRC. He said it was that F*d up.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:18 PM (v6JzV)
Dan Bongino quit the USSS in 2012 without a job to go to, IIRC. He said it was that F*d up.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 18, 2024 12:46 PM (S8OGg)
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TRANSLATION FROM PARTY TO ENGLISH:
"We are strapping our sins to a few goats and sending them into the wilderness. If any of our future murder attempts are successful, you can blame those goats, for at least 4-5 years."
TRANSLATION FROM PARTY TO ENGLISH:
"We are strapping our sins to a few goats and sending them into the wilderness. If any of our future murder attempts are successful, you can blame those goats, for at least 4-5 years."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 18, 2024 12:46 PM (7SI8C)
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> lack of critical thinking and unwillingness to "speak up"
Sounds like every government agency ever, as well as most older organizations.
Sounds like every government agency ever, as well as most older organizations.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 18, 2024 12:46 PM (Odg76)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:47 PM (v6JzV)
152
Does anyone else still feel weird about this morning's art piece?
Posted by: Seems Legit at October 18, 2024 12:47 PM (jyAD3)
153
Btw, Myers v. US was a Scotus decision that retroactively killed the legal principle that Andrew Johnson got impeached by. Under the decision, written by ex President Taft as Chief Justice, Myers enunciates the policy that to be the executive branch, a President must be able to control his subordinates and laws restricting removal of such are an unconstitutional exercise of congressional powers due to separation of powers doctrine.
To be chief manager, one has to have the power to hire and fire those in office when they do not perform, are insubordinate in refusing to implement presidential directives, and engage in misconduct.
The military is a better model and Congress dared not extend civil service rules to it for a reason. It would be regarded as destroying the Commander in Chief role and returning to the awful Revolutionary War management of the armed forces by Congress.
To be chief manager, one has to have the power to hire and fire those in office when they do not perform, are insubordinate in refusing to implement presidential directives, and engage in misconduct.
The military is a better model and Congress dared not extend civil service rules to it for a reason. It would be regarded as destroying the Commander in Chief role and returning to the awful Revolutionary War management of the armed forces by Congress.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:47 PM (bt/Nj)
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The report sounds spot on to me. Now can someone create similar reports on every other part of the government?
Posted by: Dave at October 18, 2024 12:48 PM (nLwaa)
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5. Now they have 16 rental properties in upstate NY.
So, I guess they became slumlords.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 18, 2024 12:45 PM (ufFY
More likely vacation rentals.
So, I guess they became slumlords.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 18, 2024 12:45 PM (ufFY
More likely vacation rentals.
Posted by: Buzz Adrenaline at October 18, 2024 12:48 PM (JRP2U)
156
I saw an article on Not the Bee about the poor One Direction guy. I was going to comment appropriately. But alas you need premium membership. So my joke will be lost to the ages.
Shit, I might as well do my job now.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
Chilling Details Emerge About Death Of One Direction’s Liam Payne After He Falls Off Balcony At 31
https://is.gd/dTAPui
Shit, I might as well do my job now.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
Chilling Details Emerge About Death Of One Direction’s Liam Payne After He Falls Off Balcony At 31
https://is.gd/dTAPui
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:48 PM (L/fGl)
157
140 Now, the scumbag, fascist Democrats/Harris voters are resorting to threats of violence against those who vote for Trump:
https://instapundit.com/678498/
This is not a great idea.
Posted by: naturalfake
FAFO.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (3FQ2L)
Please, oh please let them get sporty.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 18, 2024 12:44 PM (N39Ws)
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They've already shot Trump. What more would it take to count as "sporty"?
https://instapundit.com/678498/
This is not a great idea.
Posted by: naturalfake
FAFO.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (3FQ2L)
Please, oh please let them get sporty.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 18, 2024 12:44 PM (N39Ws)
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They've already shot Trump. What more would it take to count as "sporty"?
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 12:48 PM (1bNHn)
158
Just do what we did: Leave the current incompetent agency structure in place, but build a new shadow agency structure with more competent people who actually do the work!
Posted by: Department of Energy at October 18, 2024 12:49 PM (qUkBO)
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But where would the short, fat women who can’t unholster a weapon work? Diversity is our strength which is who we are.
They can do the jobs their indentured servant class now does, including the sexual services. In fact, I wouldn't mind keeping a few illegals in the country as long as they agree to be their bosses.
They can do the jobs their indentured servant class now does, including the sexual services. In fact, I wouldn't mind keeping a few illegals in the country as long as they agree to be their bosses.
Posted by: t-bird at October 18, 2024 12:49 PM (iDNwP)
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think President security should be handled by a military unit. A group of special forces guys who are chosen to serve as security detail. Four year tour of duty. Get rid of the civilian secret service and get real professionals in there.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 12:33 PM (4XwPj)
And we could give them a really cool name, like "The Praetorian Guard"
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 12:33 PM (4XwPj)
And we could give them a really cool name, like "The Praetorian Guard"
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 18, 2024 12:50 PM (hUApg)
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If you didn’t hate Kamala before, you will after this:
https://tinyurl.com/55rkcyeh
Start at 1:20
https://tinyurl.com/55rkcyeh
Start at 1:20
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 18, 2024 12:50 PM (Vh9CX)
162
***The incompetence is calling from inside the agency.***
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Yesterday, a muslim sympathizer, carrying a palestinian flag, shouting pro-gaza and pro-hamas slogans bicycled through SS secure perimeter in NY. Top. Men.
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Yesterday, a muslim sympathizer, carrying a palestinian flag, shouting pro-gaza and pro-hamas slogans bicycled through SS secure perimeter in NY. Top. Men.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 18, 2024 12:50 PM (wD8nw)
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Members of The New Black Panther Party?
/BTW, learned reading David Horowitz's biography "Radical Son" a few years ago that the nickname of the Black Panther's murderous hit-team back then was "The Squad." Coincidence? I don't think so ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 12:39 PM (TDdfP)
That is interesting (and I didn't even know that the Panthers had a hit team), although I always thought today's "The Squad" was supposed to be sound more like one of those Marvel Comics teams of brash young super heroes, albeit one of the lesser known ones that only lasts for a couple dozen issues.
/BTW, learned reading David Horowitz's biography "Radical Son" a few years ago that the nickname of the Black Panther's murderous hit-team back then was "The Squad." Coincidence? I don't think so ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 18, 2024 12:39 PM (TDdfP)
That is interesting (and I didn't even know that the Panthers had a hit team), although I always thought today's "The Squad" was supposed to be sound more like one of those Marvel Comics teams of brash young super heroes, albeit one of the lesser known ones that only lasts for a couple dozen issues.
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at October 18, 2024 12:50 PM (lg881)
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SEALS are hard to retain in the service because their salaries in the private sector protection business are spectacular.
SEALS are hard to retain in the service because their salaries in the private sector protection business are spectacular.
Posted by: Auspex at October 18, 2024 12:50 PM (j4U/Z)
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5. Now they have 16 rental properties in upstate NY.
So, I guess they became slumlords.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 18, 2024 12:45 PM (ufFY
Depending on what they call upstate NY - having 16 properties there is about as illiquid of an asset as you can get.
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5. Now they have 16 rental properties in upstate NY.
So, I guess they became slumlords.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 18, 2024 12:45 PM (ufFY
Depending on what they call upstate NY - having 16 properties there is about as illiquid of an asset as you can get.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 18, 2024 12:50 PM (N39Ws)
166
Its October. I would really like to see Barry Obama wearing Lederhosen and drinking a Tropical Smoothie.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 18, 2024 12:51 PM (c711F)
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I've seen this one before:
The report will be used by the agenda driven nitwits as HS to put even more entrenched, agenda driven nitwits into the SS while simultaneously targeting those not driven by politics to the street. Additionally, said moves will be used to project some sort of discipline (where none takes place).
The report will be used by the agenda driven nitwits as HS to put even more entrenched, agenda driven nitwits into the SS while simultaneously targeting those not driven by politics to the street. Additionally, said moves will be used to project some sort of discipline (where none takes place).
Posted by: Robert at October 18, 2024 12:51 PM (dIske)
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Ace, wtf are you amplifying a Janet Napolitano report - she’s the first one who had a hand in destroying the agency?! Take my word - shitcan all the women, polygraph all the men and head to Beltsville from there.
Posted by: Jeff E at October 18, 2024 12:51 PM (KIjLw)
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158 Just do what we did: Leave the current incompetent agency structure in place, but build a new shadow agency structure with more competent people who actually do the work!
Posted by: Department of Energy
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That is actually what FDR did. He bypassed the bureaucracy of his time and created new structures to work outside of them. But, FDR had the Democrats controlling Congress by a massive majority that made it easy for him to do so.
Left the Court system as the only major opponent and despite the 1938 setback of his court packing bill, by 1940 or so, he controlled the courts as well.
Posted by: Department of Energy
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That is actually what FDR did. He bypassed the bureaucracy of his time and created new structures to work outside of them. But, FDR had the Democrats controlling Congress by a massive majority that made it easy for him to do so.
Left the Court system as the only major opponent and despite the 1938 setback of his court packing bill, by 1940 or so, he controlled the courts as well.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:51 PM (bt/Nj)
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So basically a well trained Infantry platoon could do a hell of a lot better job.
Posted by: Diogenes
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A slingshot, and six pissed-off, well-trained oysters on the half shell.
Posted by: Diogenes
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A slingshot, and six pissed-off, well-trained oysters on the half shell.
Posted by: Bull Meechum at October 18, 2024 12:51 PM (XeU6L)
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My willingness to speak up has doomed me to middle management at best.
Calling the Boss off is fun. Not.
Calling the Boss off is fun. Not.
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at October 18, 2024 12:51 PM (Z8Yh2)
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I think President security should be handled by a military unit. A group of special forces guys who are chosen to serve as security detail. Four year tour of duty. Get rid of the civilian secret service and get real professionals in there.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 12:33 PM (4XwPj)
I think the key difference is mindset.
A professional SS guy has the mindset to take a bullet to protect his charge. That's why they pile on the president when there's shots fired, and it's the polar opposite of special forces mindset, which is offensive in nature.
I am not sure they're compatible, but when DEI wasn't a thing I'm also sure that the SF guys had outer perimeter duties more suited to their skills and mindset.
Like the snipers.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 12:33 PM (4XwPj)
I think the key difference is mindset.
A professional SS guy has the mindset to take a bullet to protect his charge. That's why they pile on the president when there's shots fired, and it's the polar opposite of special forces mindset, which is offensive in nature.
I am not sure they're compatible, but when DEI wasn't a thing I'm also sure that the SF guys had outer perimeter duties more suited to their skills and mindset.
Like the snipers.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 18, 2024 12:51 PM (FCbAQ)
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145 I consider it Trump's most difficult problem to solve. Put another way, he has to demolish the Deep State.
They will not go gently into that good night.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:45 PM (xCA6C)
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The Deep State is not planning to lose this election.
They will not go gently into that good night.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:45 PM (xCA6C)
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The Deep State is not planning to lose this election.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 18, 2024 12:52 PM (lyikP)
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What I heard admittedly second or third hand was Bill was pretty chill. Felonia von Pantsuit was not, and assignment was a form of punishment. Algore was and presumably remains, a total Grade A twatwaffle. GHW Bush was good to work for. Sometimes the public persona will fool ya.
Jimmy Earl was a real dickhead control freak, who insisted that every window blind at the WH be set to a certain height, and he would go around with a ruler and check.
The press broke cover with his “rolled up shirtsleeves and brief case” schtick, revealing the brief case was empty, not becauze they were suddenly interested in journalating a real story, but because as part of his spending cuts at the WH he cutoff the free booze and caviar shit the press corps was accustomed and put out kool aid and beanie weenies or something like that.
Jimmy Earl was a real dickhead control freak, who insisted that every window blind at the WH be set to a certain height, and he would go around with a ruler and check.
The press broke cover with his “rolled up shirtsleeves and brief case” schtick, revealing the brief case was empty, not becauze they were suddenly interested in journalating a real story, but because as part of his spending cuts at the WH he cutoff the free booze and caviar shit the press corps was accustomed and put out kool aid and beanie weenies or something like that.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 18, 2024 12:52 PM (d+R+j)
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When Oswald went to the USSR it was reported in the New York Times, the 'paper of record' - whose source was probably the CIA.
Prepping the field.
When Oswald went to the USSR it was reported in the New York Times, the 'paper of record' - whose source was probably the CIA.
Prepping the field.
Posted by: Civic Classifier at October 18, 2024 12:52 PM (MwtZ5)
176
Kidding about the middle mangement. I really am too stupid to keep my mouth shut.
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at October 18, 2024 12:52 PM (Z8Yh2)
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156
‘ Chilling Details Emerge About Death Of One Direction’s Liam Payne After He Falls Off Balcony At 31 ’
Poor guy jumped off his balcony and went One Direction.
‘ Chilling Details Emerge About Death Of One Direction’s Liam Payne After He Falls Off Balcony At 31 ’
Poor guy jumped off his balcony and went One Direction.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 18, 2024 12:52 PM (jbnUc)
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>>>So basically a well trained Infantry platoon could do a hell of a lot better job.
Posted by: Diogenes
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Probably stay sober too. Or, at least, not pass out in the hotel hallway.
Posted by: Diogenes
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Probably stay sober too. Or, at least, not pass out in the hotel hallway.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 18, 2024 12:53 PM (wD8nw)
179
SEALS are hard to retain in the service because their salaries in the private sector protection business are spectacular.
Shut your ass! People are motivated by money?
Shut your ass! People are motivated by money?
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:53 PM (xCA6C)
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152 Does anyone else still feel weird about this morning's art piece?
Posted by: Seems Legit at October 18, 2024 12:47 PM (jyAD3)
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No. It was ugly and boring so I quickly forgot about it.
Posted by: Seems Legit at October 18, 2024 12:47 PM (jyAD3)
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No. It was ugly and boring so I quickly forgot about it.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 12:53 PM (1bNHn)
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NASA Spent Millions on “Environmental Justice” and “Equity” Initiatives
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Some day they may transition to space exploration.
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Some day they may transition to space exploration.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:53 PM (L/fGl)
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The report will be used by the agenda driven nitwits as HS to put even more entrenched, agenda driven nitwits into the SS while simultaneously targeting those not driven by politics to the street.
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Robert gets it.
This is how YD's Corollary to Gresham's Law works, every time, in every case.
It's how you get a power structure like 21st century America's.
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Robert gets it.
This is how YD's Corollary to Gresham's Law works, every time, in every case.
It's how you get a power structure like 21st century America's.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 18, 2024 12:53 PM (7SI8C)
183
Willowed from Art (i had a nice ~2hr nap)
Loneliness in the Big City: Looking for salmon to love...
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I wonder if she has a nice bass?
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 18, 2024 10:14 AM (hovnC)
I think the sole reason she went to that room was looking to get scrod.
Loneliness in the Big City: Looking for salmon to love...
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I wonder if she has a nice bass?
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 18, 2024 10:14 AM (hovnC)
I think the sole reason she went to that room was looking to get scrod.
Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, la pesca e Traviata at October 18, 2024 12:54 PM (qfLjt)
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It is a mistake that his crew has acted out of innocent incompetence. Every chance they get, they show us how much they hate Republicans and Donald Trump. Clearly, managers have ordered subordinates not to take certain actions, so they do not.
If there is inadequate training, that is because managers know that the result of inadequate training is incompetence. With Democrats, incompetence is a feature not a bug.
If there is inadequate training, that is because managers know that the result of inadequate training is incompetence. With Democrats, incompetence is a feature not a bug.
Posted by: wferrin at October 18, 2024 12:54 PM (KjdJM)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 18, 2024 12:55 PM (XV/Pl)
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And we could give them a really cool name, like "The Praetorian Guard"
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
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Given that the military services AF One and choppers, easy enough for the military to kill a president they do not like.
The SS has in effect become a Praetorian Guard in that it chooses to defend some presidents from assassination and let others be a target in a shooting gallery.
Not much difference there. The principle is that our regime is essentially rotted from inside to the point that our governing class believes in nothing other than power and grift. There is no shared sense of destiny for a nation which is what happens in the late stages of a regime collapse.
Still possible to rejuvenate but that requires sober leadership rather than a clownish freak like Kamala and her oligarchs supporting nonsense and looting the Republic for $ and power.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
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Given that the military services AF One and choppers, easy enough for the military to kill a president they do not like.
The SS has in effect become a Praetorian Guard in that it chooses to defend some presidents from assassination and let others be a target in a shooting gallery.
Not much difference there. The principle is that our regime is essentially rotted from inside to the point that our governing class believes in nothing other than power and grift. There is no shared sense of destiny for a nation which is what happens in the late stages of a regime collapse.
Still possible to rejuvenate but that requires sober leadership rather than a clownish freak like Kamala and her oligarchs supporting nonsense and looting the Republic for $ and power.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:55 PM (bt/Nj)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:56 PM (L/fGl)
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@177
>>Poor guy jumped off his balcony and went One Direction.
And it's never really the fall that kills you.
>>Poor guy jumped off his balcony and went One Direction.
And it's never really the fall that kills you.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 18, 2024 12:56 PM (XV/Pl)
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174 What I heard admittedly second or third hand was Bill was pretty chill. Felonia von Pantsuit was not, and assignment was a form of punishment. Algore was and presumably remains, a total Grade A twatwaffle. GHW Bush was good to work for. Sometimes the public persona will fool ya.
Jimmy Earl was a real dickhead control freak, who insisted that every window blind at the WH be set to a certain height, and he would go around with a ruler and check.
The press broke cover with his “rolled up shirtsleeves and brief case” schtick, revealing the brief case was empty, not becauze they were suddenly interested in journalating a real story, but because as part of his spending cuts at the WH he cutoff the free booze and caviar shit the press corps was accustomed and put out kool aid and beanie weenies or something like that.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 18, 2024 12:52 PM (d+R+j)
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Actually, every one of those fits with my impression. Even Bill, who was a low down slimy shit, but did have a measure of natural charm. He and GWB are the only ones I'd willingly have a drink with.
Jimmy Earl was a real dickhead control freak, who insisted that every window blind at the WH be set to a certain height, and he would go around with a ruler and check.
The press broke cover with his “rolled up shirtsleeves and brief case” schtick, revealing the brief case was empty, not becauze they were suddenly interested in journalating a real story, but because as part of his spending cuts at the WH he cutoff the free booze and caviar shit the press corps was accustomed and put out kool aid and beanie weenies or something like that.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 18, 2024 12:52 PM (d+R+j)
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Actually, every one of those fits with my impression. Even Bill, who was a low down slimy shit, but did have a measure of natural charm. He and GWB are the only ones I'd willingly have a drink with.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 12:56 PM (1bNHn)
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NASA Spent Millions on “Environmental Justice” and “Equity” Initiatives
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Some day they may transition to space exploration.
I have greatly enjoyed recent epiphanies of people comparing SpaceX to NASA.
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Some day they may transition to space exploration.
I have greatly enjoyed recent epiphanies of people comparing SpaceX to NASA.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:56 PM (xCA6C)
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173 145 I consider it Trump's most difficult problem to solve. Put another way, he has to demolish the Deep State.
They will not go gently into that good night.
Posted by: Archimedes
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He be bringing Elon the Hammer along with him.
They will not go gently into that good night.
Posted by: Archimedes
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He be bringing Elon the Hammer along with him.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 18, 2024 12:57 PM (wD8nw)
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And it's never really the fall that kills you.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 18, 2024 12:56 PM (XV/Pl)
It’s the deceleration trauma.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 18, 2024 12:56 PM (XV/Pl)
It’s the deceleration trauma.
Posted by: Buzz Adrenaline at October 18, 2024 12:57 PM (JRP2U)
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Now, the scumbag, fascist Democrats/Harris voters are resorting to threats of violence against those who vote for Trump:
https://instapundit.com/678498/
This is not a great idea.
Posted by: naturalfake
FAFO.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (3FQ2L)
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Threatening letter through the mail is a serious federal offense. I'm sure the Fibs are on this!
https://instapundit.com/678498/
This is not a great idea.
Posted by: naturalfake
FAFO.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 12:10 PM (3FQ2L)
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Threatening letter through the mail is a serious federal offense. I'm sure the Fibs are on this!
Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 12:57 PM (W/lyH)
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To prosecute someone for election interference, we must release evidence to the public, which the defense cannot dispute, in order to let voters know the charge of election interference of a Presidential Candidate...
Thus polluting the jury pool... and interfering in the election.
Thus polluting the jury pool... and interfering in the election.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 18, 2024 12:58 PM (QAkQ3)
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It's how you get a power structure like 21st century America's.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Short run--you create new structures and relegate dying agencies to rubber room duties. As Commander in Chief, Trump could easily order up military protection augmentation to SS agents. You put the SS agents in charge of non consequential things.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Short run--you create new structures and relegate dying agencies to rubber room duties. As Commander in Chief, Trump could easily order up military protection augmentation to SS agents. You put the SS agents in charge of non consequential things.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:58 PM (bt/Nj)
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If you didn’t hate Kamala before, you will after this:
https://tinyurl.com/55rkcyeh
Start at 1:20
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 18, 2024 12:50 PM (Vh9CX)
wow. that poor family
https://tinyurl.com/55rkcyeh
Start at 1:20
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 18, 2024 12:50 PM (Vh9CX)
wow. that poor family
Posted by: LASue at October 18, 2024 12:58 PM (lCppi)
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This country's institutions are self-digging pits of iniquity.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 18, 2024 12:58 PM (7SI8C)
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Short run--you create new structures and relegate dying agencies to rubber room duties. As Commander in Chief, Trump could easily order up military protection augmentation to SS agents. You put the SS agents in charge of non consequential things.
And then implement a hiring freeze in the old agency.
And then implement a hiring freeze in the old agency.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 12:59 PM (xCA6C)
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When I was stationed in Turkey we had an MP platoon there as part of the security detail on our site. A dozen of them were cross trained in personal security and protection. They loved doing the job, got to wear suits and sunglasses, all very cool. And they were damned good at it.
Posted by: Diogenes
Was this in Sinop? I don't remember any guys in suits and sunglasses.
Posted by: Diogenes
Was this in Sinop? I don't remember any guys in suits and sunglasses.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:59 PM (v6JzV)
Posted by: Next2Nothing at October 18, 2024 12:59 PM (tA1/w)
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Civil service laws and rules thwart that. Basically civil service has become a racket and it is far too hard to remove bad eggs. To the extent that a VA employee in Puerto Rico decided to become an armed robber in his free time. He was caught and incarcerated (which obviously meant he could not do his job at the VA). He was fired. The Merits board reinstated the employment of this dude along with bennies backdated to the firing. It reasoned that he wasn't being a robber on VA time so he could not be fired for it.
My grandfather was chief of personnel for the AOUSC. Even decades ago, he said it would take him about a year to build a case to fire someone. It was far easier to promote the dead weight to a rubber room task where they essentially did no work. That is how you get people like the EPA dude shitting in the hallways.
And btw, comparable pay and bennies of teh Feds has far outstripped that in private industry. Wasn't true in the 70's and 80's. but true for the last twenty years or so.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:37 PM (bt/Nj)
whig - what about simply moving the departments to other parts of the country, and telling people if you can't relocate, you've quit?
My grandfather was chief of personnel for the AOUSC. Even decades ago, he said it would take him about a year to build a case to fire someone. It was far easier to promote the dead weight to a rubber room task where they essentially did no work. That is how you get people like the EPA dude shitting in the hallways.
And btw, comparable pay and bennies of teh Feds has far outstripped that in private industry. Wasn't true in the 70's and 80's. but true for the last twenty years or so.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 12:37 PM (bt/Nj)
whig - what about simply moving the departments to other parts of the country, and telling people if you can't relocate, you've quit?
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 12:59 PM (qg/t1)
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Lucian Freud INTENDED to make you (& everybody else) feel weird.
Angst was his default mode, somewhat like Edvard Munch (The Scream).
If the Freud painting on the art thread weirds you out, check out Freud's "monsters" triptych paintings. They're far more disturbing!
Lucian Freud INTENDED to make you (& everybody else) feel weird.
Angst was his default mode, somewhat like Edvard Munch (The Scream).
If the Freud painting on the art thread weirds you out, check out Freud's "monsters" triptych paintings. They're far more disturbing!
Posted by: mnw at October 18, 2024 12:59 PM (NLIak)
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> When Oswald went to the USSR it was reported in the New York Times, the 'paper of record' - whose source was probably the CIA.
And then he was allowed to re-enter the US. In my opinion, both sides were trying to use Oswald. But he turned out to be completely unstable. I have a strong suspicion that's why our gov't is so cagy about Oswald.
And then he was allowed to re-enter the US. In my opinion, both sides were trying to use Oswald. But he turned out to be completely unstable. I have a strong suspicion that's why our gov't is so cagy about Oswald.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 18, 2024 12:59 PM (Odg76)
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He be bringing Elon the Hammer along with him.
Posted by: Braenyard
Elon shouldn't be a hammer. He should be a scythe.
Posted by: Braenyard
Elon shouldn't be a hammer. He should be a scythe.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 12:59 PM (4XwPj)
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at October 18, 2024 01:00 PM (Z8Yh2)
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And btw, comparable pay and bennies of teh Feds has far outstripped that in private industry. Wasn't true in the 70's and 80's. but true for the last twenty years or so.
Sorry, I missed this part. As I've said on many occasions, that's true of the lower-skilled cohort. It is absolutely NOT true of the highly skilled. There's a reason we couldn't hire good IT people.
Sorry, I missed this part. As I've said on many occasions, that's true of the lower-skilled cohort. It is absolutely NOT true of the highly skilled. There's a reason we couldn't hire good IT people.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 01:01 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 18, 2024 01:01 PM (XeU6L)
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187 David Horowitz's biography "Radical Son"
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One of my all time favorite books.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:56 PM (L/fGl)
Ben Horowitz, billionaire co-founder of VC firm Andressen Horowitz, who endorsed Trump before he backtracked (slightly) and said that he'll send a financial donation to Kamala's campaign, is his son.
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One of my all time favorite books.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:56 PM (L/fGl)
Ben Horowitz, billionaire co-founder of VC firm Andressen Horowitz, who endorsed Trump before he backtracked (slightly) and said that he'll send a financial donation to Kamala's campaign, is his son.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 01:02 PM (qg/t1)
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 01:02 PM (xCA6C)
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Here's a thought:
There's a guy with experience running important federal agencies who would bring his own special sense of style and enthusiasm to the role of Secret Service Director, and it just so happens he's available now.
His name is Sam Brinton.
There's a guy with experience running important federal agencies who would bring his own special sense of style and enthusiasm to the role of Secret Service Director, and it just so happens he's available now.
His name is Sam Brinton.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 18, 2024 01:02 PM (guGkK)
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Was this in Sinop? I don't remember any guys in suits and sunglasses.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:59 PM (v6JzV)
Yes. '84-85.
We had a shitload of visitors in my year there, some of them fairly high ranking so the MP major we had on site put the team together. They were great. All former football players (HS and college) and weight room addicts. And I think the boss did it to show off a bit too.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 18, 2024 12:59 PM (v6JzV)
Yes. '84-85.
We had a shitload of visitors in my year there, some of them fairly high ranking so the MP major we had on site put the team together. They were great. All former football players (HS and college) and weight room addicts. And I think the boss did it to show off a bit too.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 01:02 PM (W/lyH)
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I always thought today's "The Squad" was supposed to be sound more like one of those Marvel Comics teams of brash young super heroes, albeit one of the lesser known ones that only lasts for a couple dozen issues.
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at October 18, 2024 12:50 PM (lg881)
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Introducing Marvel’s newest superhero team!
- Cat Lady
- Femcel
- Septum Piercing
- Type 2
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at October 18, 2024 12:50 PM (lg881)
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Introducing Marvel’s newest superhero team!
- Cat Lady
- Femcel
- Septum Piercing
- Type 2
Posted by: Lurker at October 18, 2024 01:02 PM (FC8SQ)
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"You put the SS agents in charge of non consequential things. "
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Big Z's security.
Outside guards at the UN compound perimeter.
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Big Z's security.
Outside guards at the UN compound perimeter.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 18, 2024 01:03 PM (VNX3d)
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Actually, every one of those fits with my impression. Even Bill, who was a low down slimy shit, but did have a measure of natural charm. He and GWB are the only ones I'd willingly have a drink with.
Posted by: Eeyore
As a former Arkansan, I can verify that Bill Clinton likes to be around people and has a need to be liked. Not to be trusted as he could stab you in the back as cold as ice, but he was personable. FDR, from reports had a similar knack. Jovial in person but ice cold in private. Harry Truman, when asked about FDR years later, told the interviewer that FDR was the coldest person privately that Truman had ever met.
Bill C., as governor, once vetoed a bill that was going to piss off the state legislature. He retrieved the vetoed bill from under the locked door of the legislative clerk's office and signed it.
Posted by: Eeyore
As a former Arkansan, I can verify that Bill Clinton likes to be around people and has a need to be liked. Not to be trusted as he could stab you in the back as cold as ice, but he was personable. FDR, from reports had a similar knack. Jovial in person but ice cold in private. Harry Truman, when asked about FDR years later, told the interviewer that FDR was the coldest person privately that Truman had ever met.
Bill C., as governor, once vetoed a bill that was going to piss off the state legislature. He retrieved the vetoed bill from under the locked door of the legislative clerk's office and signed it.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 01:03 PM (bt/Nj)
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Big Z's security.
Outside guards at the UN compound perimeter.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf
Yep, and their real job of going after counterfeiters, etc. Return the agency to the Treasury would help.
Outside guards at the UN compound perimeter.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf
Yep, and their real job of going after counterfeiters, etc. Return the agency to the Treasury would help.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 01:04 PM (bt/Nj)
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David Brooks, with another one of his profound insights in the New York Times:
Opinion | Why Isn't Kamala Harris Running Away With the Election?
Opinion | Why Isn't Kamala Harris Running Away With the Election?
Posted by: The Deep State! at October 18, 2024 01:04 PM (uxCna)
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Yes, and a very clear indicator of someone’s character is how they treat subordinates and those tasked with difficult jobs. They are people with families, jetting off on a “fact finding mission” that is more like a friends and family shopping spree and nuking the holiday weekend, stuff like that.
It’s tough to explain, but abuse of the “help” is a sign of a depraved mind. Be nice to the people you meet on the way up, ‘cuz yer gonna meet ‘em again on the way down. Leftists are often people with very, very little tact or social graces.
It’s tough to explain, but abuse of the “help” is a sign of a depraved mind. Be nice to the people you meet on the way up, ‘cuz yer gonna meet ‘em again on the way down. Leftists are often people with very, very little tact or social graces.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 18, 2024 01:04 PM (d+R+j)
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NASA Spent Millions on “Environmental Justice” and “Equity” Initiatives
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Some day they may transition to space exploration.
I have greatly enjoyed recent epiphanies of people comparing SpaceX to NASA.
Hah!!!
NEWS: Michael Bloomberg calls for cancellation of NASA's Artemis program and the SLS rocket – Says @SpaceX
Starship can do same for a small fraction of the cost and, unlike SLS, it's reusable.
https://is.gd/jnssvW
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Some day they may transition to space exploration.
I have greatly enjoyed recent epiphanies of people comparing SpaceX to NASA.
Hah!!!
NEWS: Michael Bloomberg calls for cancellation of NASA's Artemis program and the SLS rocket – Says @SpaceX
Starship can do same for a small fraction of the cost and, unlike SLS, it's reusable.
https://is.gd/jnssvW
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 01:04 PM (xCA6C)
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Do you know which demographic has been tragically underrepresented in the Secret Service since its founding?
Dwarfs.
Think about it.
Dwarfs.
Think about it.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 18, 2024 01:05 PM (guGkK)
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34 I refuse to submit to the incompetance theory. Nobody is that stupid.
How much would you have to pay me to think about covering all the roofs? It aint the money.
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (Z8Yh2)
Any operation sufficiently incompetent would be indistinguishable from malice. This is one of those operations.
How much would you have to pay me to think about covering all the roofs? It aint the money.
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at October 18, 2024 12:22 PM (Z8Yh2)
Any operation sufficiently incompetent would be indistinguishable from malice. This is one of those operations.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 01:05 PM (qg/t1)
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His name is Sam Brinton.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 18, 2024 01:02 PM (guGkK)
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The new Secret Service “puppy” uniforms were a big hit, until tragedy struck at the ATF joint field day..
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 18, 2024 01:02 PM (guGkK)
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The new Secret Service “puppy” uniforms were a big hit, until tragedy struck at the ATF joint field day..
Posted by: Lurker at October 18, 2024 01:05 PM (FC8SQ)
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Knowing you are a FED has made the comments make more sense.
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at October 18, 2024 01:05 PM (Z8Yh2)
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Elon shouldn't be a hammer. He should be a scythe.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 12:59 PM (4XwPj)
He could team up with Vivek Ramaswamy.
Elon shouldn't be a hammer. He should be a scythe.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 18, 2024 12:59 PM (4XwPj)
He could team up with Vivek Ramaswamy.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at October 18, 2024 01:05 PM (oVzgM)
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67 57 52 Is Jen Rubin on Epstein list or something ?? Or her close friends/family members are ?? That is the only explanation I have for that plaid level of cray-cray.
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (V13WU)
If you hadn't been touched by another human in decades, you might be a little loony, too.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 12:27 PM (KbCG3)
God help me, I’ll admit (sheepishly) there was a time in the 90s when Rubin gave me a little tingle down my leg…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (5MZNC)
You mean the Jen Rubin from Red Scorpion right?
Posted by: runner at October 18, 2024 12:25 PM (V13WU)
If you hadn't been touched by another human in decades, you might be a little loony, too.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 18, 2024 12:27 PM (KbCG3)
God help me, I’ll admit (sheepishly) there was a time in the 90s when Rubin gave me a little tingle down my leg…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 18, 2024 12:29 PM (5MZNC)
You mean the Jen Rubin from Red Scorpion right?
Posted by: Inogame at October 18, 2024 01:05 PM (53oGX)
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whig - what about simply moving the departments to other parts of the country, and telling people if you can't relocate, you've quit?
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 12:59 PM (qg/t1)
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When Robert Moses became NYC Park Commissioner, he couldn't fire the Civil Service hacks, so he made guys in the Bronx work on Staten Island or gave them the worst assignments he could think of.
One old lady wouldn't retire and knitted all day, so he refused to let her go home. She quit at midnight.
whig - what about simply moving the departments to other parts of the country, and telling people if you can't relocate, you've quit?
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 12:59 PM (qg/t1)
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When Robert Moses became NYC Park Commissioner, he couldn't fire the Civil Service hacks, so he made guys in the Bronx work on Staten Island or gave them the worst assignments he could think of.
One old lady wouldn't retire and knitted all day, so he refused to let her go home. She quit at midnight.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 18, 2024 01:06 PM (EsZUh)
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I don't feel sad that this One Direction asshole took a dive; I feel anger at this coward, for abandoning his wife (presumably) and his seven year old kid.
Take drugs and get drunk, great, dumbass. Nice f-ing move.
Fortunately, shit like this is a self-correction phenomenon. Unfortunately, there is collateral damage.
Take drugs and get drunk, great, dumbass. Nice f-ing move.
Fortunately, shit like this is a self-correction phenomenon. Unfortunately, there is collateral damage.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 18, 2024 01:06 PM (ufFY8)
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> The SS has been corrupt for decades.
I don't see how they could NOT be corrupt. Anyone whose job is to protect a powerful person is by definition going to have to keep quiet about sensitive topics. If the protectee is corrupt, the protector immediately has a problem. Do they continue with their primary mission, or do they break Omerta to do the right thing? If they keep quiet, they've engaged in corruption. The longer they keep quiet, the more corrupt they become. Then that corruption spreads into every aspect of their organization.
I don't see how they could NOT be corrupt. Anyone whose job is to protect a powerful person is by definition going to have to keep quiet about sensitive topics. If the protectee is corrupt, the protector immediately has a problem. Do they continue with their primary mission, or do they break Omerta to do the right thing? If they keep quiet, they've engaged in corruption. The longer they keep quiet, the more corrupt they become. Then that corruption spreads into every aspect of their organization.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 18, 2024 01:06 PM (Odg76)
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I won't just protect your ass. I'll protect your ass and steal your wardrobe.
Posted by: Sam Brinton at October 18, 2024 01:07 PM (vtRd1)
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 01:07 PM (xCA6C)
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Accurate, and so, "The director is appointed by, and serves at the pleasure of, the president of the United States, and is not subject to Senate confirmation.[5] The director reports to the secretary of homeland security, and operates with the general directions thereof. Prior to March 1, 2003, the Secret Service was a part of the United States Department of the Treasury.[2][6] Wikipedia
Re: Director of the US Secret Service
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Then beneath, it's the Senior Executive Service. (SES)
OPM: In part, "The Senior Executive Service (SES) lead America’s workforce. As the keystone of the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978, the SES was established to “...ensure that the executive management of the Government of the United States is responsive to the needs, policies, and goals of the Nation and otherwise is of the highest quality.” These leaders possess well-honed executive skills and share a broad perspective on government and a public service commitment that is grounded in the Constitution.
Members of the SES serve in the key positions just below the top Presidential appointees. SES members are the major link between these appointees and the rest of the Federal workforce. ..."
😬🤫
Re: Director of the US Secret Service
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Then beneath, it's the Senior Executive Service. (SES)
OPM: In part, "The Senior Executive Service (SES) lead America’s workforce. As the keystone of the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978, the SES was established to “...ensure that the executive management of the Government of the United States is responsive to the needs, policies, and goals of the Nation and otherwise is of the highest quality.” These leaders possess well-honed executive skills and share a broad perspective on government and a public service commitment that is grounded in the Constitution.
Members of the SES serve in the key positions just below the top Presidential appointees. SES members are the major link between these appointees and the rest of the Federal workforce. ..."
😬🤫
Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at October 18, 2024 01:07 PM (NFX2v)
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"Oh, thank heaven, for 7-11."
https://is.gd/Z1ixnJ
/ remember a time a few years back when BadOrangeMan was in office and people had money to buy stuff?
"Oh, thank heaven, for 7-11."
https://is.gd/Z1ixnJ
/ remember a time a few years back when BadOrangeMan was in office and people had money to buy stuff?
Posted by: Civic Classifier at October 18, 2024 01:07 PM (MwtZ5)
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If the protectee is corrupt, the protector immediately has a problem. Do they continue with their primary mission, or do they break Omerta to do the right thing? If they keep quiet, they've engaged in corruption. The longer they keep quiet, the more corrupt they become. Then that corruption spreads into every aspect of their organization.
Why is everyone looking at me?
Why is everyone looking at me?
Posted by: Kamala at October 18, 2024 01:08 PM (xCA6C)
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Maybe they can cut down on the number of people they protect.
We're already doing that, but randomly. We figured that would make it more fun.
We're already doing that, but randomly. We figured that would make it more fun.
Posted by: USSS at October 18, 2024 01:08 PM (yOPBE)
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You know who the real culprit is? The guy who leads the riderless horse in presidential funeral processions. He wants his day in the sun.
You know who the real culprit is? The guy who leads the riderless horse in presidential funeral processions. He wants his day in the sun.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 18, 2024 01:08 PM (EsZUh)
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227 > The SS has been corrupt for decades.
I don't see how they could NOT be corrupt. Anyone whose job is to protect a powerful person is by definition going to have to keep quiet about sensitive topics. If the protectee is corrupt, the protector immediately has a problem. Do they continue with their primary mission, or do they break Omerta to do the right thing? If they keep quiet, they've engaged in corruption. The longer they keep quiet, the more corrupt they become. Then that corruption spreads into every aspect of their organization.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 18, 2024 01:06 PM (Odg76)
This is a great point.
I don't see how they could NOT be corrupt. Anyone whose job is to protect a powerful person is by definition going to have to keep quiet about sensitive topics. If the protectee is corrupt, the protector immediately has a problem. Do they continue with their primary mission, or do they break Omerta to do the right thing? If they keep quiet, they've engaged in corruption. The longer they keep quiet, the more corrupt they become. Then that corruption spreads into every aspect of their organization.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 18, 2024 01:06 PM (Odg76)
This is a great point.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 01:09 PM (qg/t1)
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You don't reform an agency that has gone bad, any more than you can reform a 100 year old man to be a 18 year old.
You need to scrap it and replace it with a new agency with new missions and safeguards. Its possible that some old SS peeps might go to the new agency but this should not be expected or encouraged.
You need to scrap it and replace it with a new agency with new missions and safeguards. Its possible that some old SS peeps might go to the new agency but this should not be expected or encouraged.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 18, 2024 01:09 PM (n7h9X)
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Do you know which demographic has been tragically underrepresented in the Secret Service since its founding?
Dwarfs.
Think about it.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43)
Leaving the protected persons' soft underbellies exposed.
Dwarfs.
Think about it.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43)
Leaving the protected persons' soft underbellies exposed.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 01:09 PM (L/fGl)
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"Any operation sufficiently incompetent would be indistinguishable from malice. This is one of those operations."
Easy way out. If it makes you sleep better than fine.
I prefer to take a stand and be right or wrong.
Easy way out. If it makes you sleep better than fine.
I prefer to take a stand and be right or wrong.
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at October 18, 2024 01:09 PM (Z8Yh2)
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If you make anything other than merit the aim of appointment, hiring, and promotion decisions, you get this nonsense. I expect to see a lot more of it.
Posted by: DEI et cetera at October 18, 2024 01:09 PM (YtQZg)
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216 David Brooks, with another one of his profound insights in the New York Times:
Opinion | Why Isn't Kamala Harris Running Away With the Election?
Posted by: The Deep State! at October 18, 2024 01:04 PM (uxCna)
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Needs better creases in her pantsuits. And more Sopressata.
Opinion | Why Isn't Kamala Harris Running Away With the Election?
Posted by: The Deep State! at October 18, 2024 01:04 PM (uxCna)
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Needs better creases in her pantsuits. And more Sopressata.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 01:10 PM (1bNHn)
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240 216 David Brooks, with another one of his profound insights in the New York Times:
Opinion | Why Isn't Kamala Harris Running Away With the Election?
Posted by: The Deep State! at October 18, 2024 01:04 PM (uxCna)
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Needs better creases in her pantsuits. And more Sopressata.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 01:10 PM (1bNHn)
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"As a conservative, I can say with authority that Kamala Harris represents the highest of standards for governance. Even better than Biden! Why aren't other conservatives agreeing with me?"
Opinion | Why Isn't Kamala Harris Running Away With the Election?
Posted by: The Deep State! at October 18, 2024 01:04 PM (uxCna)
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Needs better creases in her pantsuits. And more Sopressata.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 01:10 PM (1bNHn)
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"As a conservative, I can say with authority that Kamala Harris represents the highest of standards for governance. Even better than Biden! Why aren't other conservatives agreeing with me?"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 18, 2024 01:11 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at October 18, 2024 01:11 PM (Z8Yh2)
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Nah. PA was orchestrated stochastic terrorism. Independent panel calling the absurd odds of a shot being fired numerous mistakes and specific failures and breakdowns smacks of not being independent at all. No chance this wasn’t perpetrated by willing participants OR evidence of a miracle of Evil. More of those to come, no doubt.
The enemy is inside the wire and deeply entrenched. It is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when.
Christ, please come quickly!
The enemy is inside the wire and deeply entrenched. It is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when.
Christ, please come quickly!
Posted by: Denny Crane! at October 18, 2024 01:11 PM (WAlRb)
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240 216 David Brooks, with another one of his profound insights in the New York Times:
Opinion | Why Isn't Kamala Harris Running Away With the Election?
Posted by: The Deep State! at October 18, 2024 01:04 PM (uxCna)
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Needs better creases in her pantsuits. And more Sopressata.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 01:10 PM (1bNHn)
She needs to start wearing better track shoes if she's going to try running.
Opinion | Why Isn't Kamala Harris Running Away With the Election?
Posted by: The Deep State! at October 18, 2024 01:04 PM (uxCna)
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Needs better creases in her pantsuits. And more Sopressata.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 01:10 PM (1bNHn)
She needs to start wearing better track shoes if she's going to try running.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 18, 2024 01:11 PM (VNX3d)
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Sorry, I missed this part. As I've said on many occasions, that's true of the lower-skilled cohort. It is absolutely NOT true of the highly skilled. There's a reason we couldn't hire good IT people.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Not quite, to actually figure out compensation, it is necessary to value out benefits as well. Health care and defined benefit pensions are not considered in the equation.
On IT, a lot of the best development techies get their money from stock options which is never going to be a comparable option for federal employment salary considerations. Nor is it necessary.
Established companies themselves actually pay H1Bs much lower salaries and outsource key functions to other countries in order to decrease salaries paid.
When you consider that a lot of IT folks right here have been laid off often during cutbacks, have had their jobs outsourced, etc. All of a sudden the income stream over years of employment actually become more pedestrian.
A lot of the government hiring in IT problems are government and civil service hiring rules filled with all sorts of nonsense that prevent hiring good people if they are the wrong color, gender, or sexual orientation.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Not quite, to actually figure out compensation, it is necessary to value out benefits as well. Health care and defined benefit pensions are not considered in the equation.
On IT, a lot of the best development techies get their money from stock options which is never going to be a comparable option for federal employment salary considerations. Nor is it necessary.
Established companies themselves actually pay H1Bs much lower salaries and outsource key functions to other countries in order to decrease salaries paid.
When you consider that a lot of IT folks right here have been laid off often during cutbacks, have had their jobs outsourced, etc. All of a sudden the income stream over years of employment actually become more pedestrian.
A lot of the government hiring in IT problems are government and civil service hiring rules filled with all sorts of nonsense that prevent hiring good people if they are the wrong color, gender, or sexual orientation.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 01:12 PM (bt/Nj)
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239 If you make anything other than merit the aim of appointment, hiring, and promotion decisions, you get this nonsense. I expect to see a lot more of it.
Posted by: DEI et cetera at October 18, 2024 01:09 PM (YtQZg)
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How does that differ from credentialism? Sure, DEI is the worst possible way to go about it. But I'm not convinced anyone has a good system of hiring and promoting people.
Posted by: DEI et cetera at October 18, 2024 01:09 PM (YtQZg)
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How does that differ from credentialism? Sure, DEI is the worst possible way to go about it. But I'm not convinced anyone has a good system of hiring and promoting people.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 01:13 PM (1bNHn)
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Nah. PA was orchestrated stochastic terrorism. Independent panel calling the absurd odds of a shot being fired numerous mistakes and specific failures and breakdowns smacks of not being independent at all. No chance this wasn’t perpetrated by willing participants OR evidence of a miracle of Evil. More of those to come, no doubt.
The enemy is inside the wire and deeply entrenched. It is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when.--Denny Crane
David Brooks, with another one of his profound insights in the New York Times:
Opinion | Why Isn't Kamala Harris Running Away With the Election?
Posted by: The Deep State! at October 18, 2024 01:04 PM (uxCn
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These are not unconnected.
Her opponent was supposed to be dead.
The enemy is inside the wire and deeply entrenched. It is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when.--Denny Crane
David Brooks, with another one of his profound insights in the New York Times:
Opinion | Why Isn't Kamala Harris Running Away With the Election?
Posted by: The Deep State! at October 18, 2024 01:04 PM (uxCn
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These are not unconnected.
Her opponent was supposed to be dead.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 18, 2024 01:14 PM (FCbAQ)
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181 NASA Spent Millions on “Environmental Justice” and “Equity” Initiatives
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Some day they may transition to space exploration.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:53 PM (L/fGl)
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How much input did NASA have on Boeing's Starliner? Those poorly designed and or poorly engineered and or poorly manufactured thrusters, to me are obvious signs of DIE culpability. If that was a Russian made craft then those very same people would be laughing and criticizing it as an obvious clusterfuck.
There is no room in designing and building life support systems for social engineering. The latter contributes zero to such projects, in fact I'll go so far as to say it has a negative effect - lack of criticism for fear of being labeled a racist/misogynist are primary culprits.
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Some day they may transition to space exploration.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 12:53 PM (L/fGl)
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How much input did NASA have on Boeing's Starliner? Those poorly designed and or poorly engineered and or poorly manufactured thrusters, to me are obvious signs of DIE culpability. If that was a Russian made craft then those very same people would be laughing and criticizing it as an obvious clusterfuck.
There is no room in designing and building life support systems for social engineering. The latter contributes zero to such projects, in fact I'll go so far as to say it has a negative effect - lack of criticism for fear of being labeled a racist/misogynist are primary culprits.
Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, la forza del destino at October 18, 2024 01:15 PM (qfLjt)
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whig - what about simply moving the departments to other parts of the country, and telling people if you can't relocate, you've quit?
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Problem there is wholesale movement would require congressional legislation through either spending bills (which are laws) but subject to the Senate Parliamentarian as to whether Reconciliation rules can be used) or authorizing legislation which is subject to filibustering.
You can do that in the military far easier than you can with the civil service under the current laws and Scotus precedents.
Posted by: Darrell Harris
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Problem there is wholesale movement would require congressional legislation through either spending bills (which are laws) but subject to the Senate Parliamentarian as to whether Reconciliation rules can be used) or authorizing legislation which is subject to filibustering.
You can do that in the military far easier than you can with the civil service under the current laws and Scotus precedents.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 01:15 PM (bt/Nj)
Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 01:15 PM (W/lyH)
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Did anyone else notice that Trump wore a black tie to the white tie event?
I larfed.
Posted by: Diogenes
What a faux pas! That's going to cost him dearly in the precincts around central park.
I larfed.
Posted by: Diogenes
What a faux pas! That's going to cost him dearly in the precincts around central park.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 18, 2024 01:16 PM (lTGtQ)
Posted by: Buzz Adrenaline at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (JRP2U)
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Bad Hombre
@joma_gc
Major drama within the Kamala Harris campaign this morning. A source reveals that Harris screamed at and angrily berated her campaign manager Julie Chavez for over 30 minutes on the phone this morning.
The source shares that Chavez advised Kamala not to attend the Al Smith dinner because it could send the wrong message and risk alienating LGBTQ and pro-abortion voters if she was seen cozying up to Catholics.
Instead Chavez suggested a compromise of sending in the poorly-received video in lieu of an in-person appearance.
Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.
The joy is gone.
Bad Hombre
@joma_gc
Major drama within the Kamala Harris campaign this morning. A source reveals that Harris screamed at and angrily berated her campaign manager Julie Chavez for over 30 minutes on the phone this morning.
The source shares that Chavez advised Kamala not to attend the Al Smith dinner because it could send the wrong message and risk alienating LGBTQ and pro-abortion voters if she was seen cozying up to Catholics.
Instead Chavez suggested a compromise of sending in the poorly-received video in lieu of an in-person appearance.
Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.
The joy is gone.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (TGPs7)
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251 What a faux pas! That's going to cost him dearly in the precincts around central park.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 18, 2024 01:16 PM (lTGtQ)
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"Use 'faux pas'."
"Thanks, professor!"
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 18, 2024 01:16 PM (lTGtQ)
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"Use 'faux pas'."
"Thanks, professor!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (GBKbO)
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240 216 David Brooks, with another one of his profound insights in the New York Times:
Opinion | Why Isn't Kamala Harris Running Away With the Election?
Posted by: The Deep State! at October 18, 2024 01:04 PM (uxCna)
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Needs better creases in her pantsuits. And more Sopressata.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 01:10 PM (1bNHn)
Good God, is Brooks dense. Just skimmed the article, and two things strike out - and they show he's an idiot.
"Each party has become too narcissistic to get outside its own head and try to build a coalition with people outside the camp of true believers." Donald Trump has RFKJ's endorsement, as well as Tulsi's. If that's not the definition of building a coalition, I don't know what is.
"[Trump would] be winning landslides if he had tried to wedge MAGA Republicans into a coalition with Bush-McCain Republicans, but he's incapable of that." For a guy who's spent his professional career as a 'Republican' you'd think he'd know that the battle between those wings has lasted for 60 years, and there's no reconciliation between them.
There's more to fisk, but Brooks isn't worth it. He's an idiot.
Opinion | Why Isn't Kamala Harris Running Away With the Election?
Posted by: The Deep State! at October 18, 2024 01:04 PM (uxCna)
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Needs better creases in her pantsuits. And more Sopressata.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 01:10 PM (1bNHn)
Good God, is Brooks dense. Just skimmed the article, and two things strike out - and they show he's an idiot.
"Each party has become too narcissistic to get outside its own head and try to build a coalition with people outside the camp of true believers." Donald Trump has RFKJ's endorsement, as well as Tulsi's. If that's not the definition of building a coalition, I don't know what is.
"[Trump would] be winning landslides if he had tried to wedge MAGA Republicans into a coalition with Bush-McCain Republicans, but he's incapable of that." For a guy who's spent his professional career as a 'Republican' you'd think he'd know that the battle between those wings has lasted for 60 years, and there's no reconciliation between them.
There's more to fisk, but Brooks isn't worth it. He's an idiot.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (qg/t1)
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Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.
The joy is gone.
Posted by: Mister Ghost
BS. It's just starting. 😁
The joy is gone.
Posted by: Mister Ghost
BS. It's just starting. 😁
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (3FQ2L)
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Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (TGPs7)
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Safe prediction:
This gets posted in every thread today.
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Safe prediction:
This gets posted in every thread today.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (GBKbO)
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Any operation sufficiently incompetent would be indistinguishable from malice. This is one of those operations.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 01:05 PM (qg/t1)
No, that isn't true. Incompetence is not directed. You would expect incompetent people going off plan to err in DJT's favor as often as to endanger him. The fact that all this incompetence was aligned directly at making a royal path to kill Trump, AND magically there was a non local shooter there, coming in just where security was lax, makes this enemy action.
You'd have to look at the probability for each error that the person would react how they did versus how they were trained to get a real feel for the chance of it being just blunders. Given the serious nature of the job, and nobody even told Trump to not take the stage after hours of incidents, and the investigation not even reporting what happened for months says this is a crime scene not an accident report.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 01:05 PM (qg/t1)
No, that isn't true. Incompetence is not directed. You would expect incompetent people going off plan to err in DJT's favor as often as to endanger him. The fact that all this incompetence was aligned directly at making a royal path to kill Trump, AND magically there was a non local shooter there, coming in just where security was lax, makes this enemy action.
You'd have to look at the probability for each error that the person would react how they did versus how they were trained to get a real feel for the chance of it being just blunders. Given the serious nature of the job, and nobody even told Trump to not take the stage after hours of incidents, and the investigation not even reporting what happened for months says this is a crime scene not an accident report.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 18, 2024 01:18 PM (n7h9X)
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Not quite, to actually figure out compensation, it is necessary to value out benefits as well. Health care and defined benefit pensions are not considered in the equation.
On IT, a lot of the best development techies get their money from stock options which is never going to be a comparable option for federal employment salary considerations. Nor is it necessary.
I'm quite familiar with those calculations. I watched during the course of my career as it became harder and harder to attract people in certain areas. Lawyers are a good example. We didn't get the high flyers, we got the people from lower tier schools who wanted a 9-5 job, at best. As to chemists, my profession, the ACS puts out an annual survey of salaries, and to say my salary, which was a pretty good one by CS standards, was uncompetitive, is putting it mildly.
It simply isn't as attractive to come to DC and pay DC housing prices. You have to accept a much longer commute, to a lesser house, just to get in the market now.
Again, the appeal of working as a Fed varies with skill level. This isn't universally true; it's specific to the people who have other options.
On IT, a lot of the best development techies get their money from stock options which is never going to be a comparable option for federal employment salary considerations. Nor is it necessary.
I'm quite familiar with those calculations. I watched during the course of my career as it became harder and harder to attract people in certain areas. Lawyers are a good example. We didn't get the high flyers, we got the people from lower tier schools who wanted a 9-5 job, at best. As to chemists, my profession, the ACS puts out an annual survey of salaries, and to say my salary, which was a pretty good one by CS standards, was uncompetitive, is putting it mildly.
It simply isn't as attractive to come to DC and pay DC housing prices. You have to accept a much longer commute, to a lesser house, just to get in the market now.
Again, the appeal of working as a Fed varies with skill level. This isn't universally true; it's specific to the people who have other options.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 01:18 PM (xCA6C)
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How does that differ from credentialism? Sure, DEI is the worst possible way to go about it. But I'm not convinced anyone has a good system of hiring and promoting people.
Posted by: Eeyore
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Griggs v. Duke Power obliterated the old hiring regimes by its ridiculous interpretation of the Civil Rights Act. They invented disparate impact out of whole legal cloth without any regard to the actual text and meaning of the CRA. A classic example of what not to do when interpreting statutes.
Subject related testing, physical standards, etc. is a far better way than credentialism or Didn't Earn It initiatives.
Posted by: Eeyore
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Griggs v. Duke Power obliterated the old hiring regimes by its ridiculous interpretation of the Civil Rights Act. They invented disparate impact out of whole legal cloth without any regard to the actual text and meaning of the CRA. A classic example of what not to do when interpreting statutes.
Subject related testing, physical standards, etc. is a far better way than credentialism or Didn't Earn It initiatives.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 01:18 PM (bt/Nj)
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As to President Trump the SS actions that day were deliberate and malicious. Them also being riddled with incompetence is not mutually exclusive from the foregoing. It also makes a convenient cover for malicious acts "see we're just a bunch of fuckups, you can't hold us accountable!"
Posted by: They're evil and they're worthless at October 18, 2024 01:19 PM (RF026)
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Bad Hombre
@joma_gc
Major drama within the Kamala Harris campaign this morning. A source reveals that Harris screamed at and angrily berated her campaign manager Julie Chavez for over 30 minutes on the phone this morning.
The source shares that Chavez advised Kamala not to attend the Al Smith dinner because it could send the wrong message and risk alienating LGBTQ and pro-abortion voters if she was seen cozying up to Catholics.
Instead Chavez suggested a compromise of sending in the poorly-received video in lieu of an in-person appearance.
Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.
The joy is gone.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (TGPs7)
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Not gone. It just moved here.
Bad Hombre
@joma_gc
Major drama within the Kamala Harris campaign this morning. A source reveals that Harris screamed at and angrily berated her campaign manager Julie Chavez for over 30 minutes on the phone this morning.
The source shares that Chavez advised Kamala not to attend the Al Smith dinner because it could send the wrong message and risk alienating LGBTQ and pro-abortion voters if she was seen cozying up to Catholics.
Instead Chavez suggested a compromise of sending in the poorly-received video in lieu of an in-person appearance.
Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.
The joy is gone.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (TGPs7)
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Not gone. It just moved here.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 01:19 PM (1bNHn)
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David Brooks, with another one of his profound insights in the New York Times:
Opinion | Why Isn't Kamala Harris Running Away With the Election?
Why isn't she fifty points ahead?
David Brooks, with another one of his profound insights in the New York Times:
Opinion | Why Isn't Kamala Harris Running Away With the Election?
Why isn't she fifty points ahead?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 18, 2024 01:20 PM (63Dwl)
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"[Trump would] be winning landslides if he had tried to wedge MAGA Republicans into a coalition with Bush-McCain Republicans, but he's incapable of that." For a guy who's spent his professional career as a 'Republican' you'd think he'd know that the battle between those wings has lasted for 60 years, and there's no reconciliation between them.
There's more to fisk, but Brooks isn't worth it. He's an idiot.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (qg/t1)
Well I was a Reagan Republican, and Trump reached out and got me 4 years ago once he showed me he would really act. So Brooks, you are 8 years wrong.
There's more to fisk, but Brooks isn't worth it. He's an idiot.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (qg/t1)
Well I was a Reagan Republican, and Trump reached out and got me 4 years ago once he showed me he would really act. So Brooks, you are 8 years wrong.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 18, 2024 01:20 PM (n7h9X)
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242 I am a little testy today. Sorry.
(Backing away for the keyboard)
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at October 18, 2024 01:11 PM (Z8Yh2)
No worries. BTW, I completely agree with you; the Deep State wants to take Trump out BAMN. If they can make it look like an act of 'incompetence', so much the better.
(Backing away for the keyboard)
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at October 18, 2024 01:11 PM (Z8Yh2)
No worries. BTW, I completely agree with you; the Deep State wants to take Trump out BAMN. If they can make it look like an act of 'incompetence', so much the better.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 01:20 PM (qg/t1)
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The joy is gone.
Posted by: Mister Ghost
BS. It's just starting. 😁
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (3FQ2L)
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I would love to hear a tape of Harris in complete bitch mode get "leaked" so America can hear just what a nasty piece of work she is.
Posted by: Mister Ghost
BS. It's just starting. 😁
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (3FQ2L)
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I would love to hear a tape of Harris in complete bitch mode get "leaked" so America can hear just what a nasty piece of work she is.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 18, 2024 01:20 PM (W/lyH)
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Saw a Trump / Vance sign that someone spraypainted Never over
I want a Harris/Walz with
Let's give Msrxism 1 more try
I want a Harris/Walz with
Let's give Msrxism 1 more try
Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 01:20 PM (fwDg9)
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Did anyone else notice that Trump wore a black tie to the white tie event?
I larfed.
I did notice it, and wondered if it was Trump's way of saying "you people are not nearly as important as you think you are".
I larfed.
I did notice it, and wondered if it was Trump's way of saying "you people are not nearly as important as you think you are".
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 01:20 PM (xCA6C)
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I know what a fo pa is. That's when I use the Cool Whip containers instead of salad bowls at Christmas, right?
Posted by: A Redneck at October 18, 2024 01:20 PM (2UnvF)
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Knew fabulous IT people at times within Executive branch federal agencies. However, if U.S. Veterans, they were generally short-lived in those positions, sometimes within an agency.
Veterans preference can really tick off some who aren't recipients - job dependent of course.
Veterans preference can really tick off some who aren't recipients - job dependent of course.
Posted by: Former Fed at October 18, 2024 01:21 PM (NFX2v)
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The joy is gone.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (TGPs7)
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Not gone. It just moved here.
Posted by: Eeyore
Heh.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (TGPs7)
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Not gone. It just moved here.
Posted by: Eeyore
Heh.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 18, 2024 01:21 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 01:21 PM (L/fGl)
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Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.
The joy is gone.
Posted by: Mister Ghost
Placed against the idiocy of the candidate across every subject, I think Chavez's error is small beans.
The joy is gone.
Posted by: Mister Ghost
Placed against the idiocy of the candidate across every subject, I think Chavez's error is small beans.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 18, 2024 01:21 PM (lTGtQ)
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On IT, a lot of the best development techies get their money from stock options which is never going to be a comparable option for federal employment salary considerations. Nor is it necessary.
Established companies themselves actually pay H1Bs much lower salaries and outsource key functions to other countries in order to decrease salaries paid.
When you consider that a lot of IT folks right here have been laid off often during cutbacks, have had their jobs outsourced, etc. All of a sudden the income stream over years of employment actually become more pedestrian.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 01:12 PM (bt/Nj)
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Not really. Stock options can be lucrative, but they often are worth little. Tech employees rarely understand them or exercise them, unless they’re already ITM. Most people care about salary and benefits. It’s hard for gov’t to compete there.
As for H1Bs and outsourcing, we mostly used them when we couldn’t hire anyone domestically. There’s a massive shortage of qualified tech people in the U.S.
Established companies themselves actually pay H1Bs much lower salaries and outsource key functions to other countries in order to decrease salaries paid.
When you consider that a lot of IT folks right here have been laid off often during cutbacks, have had their jobs outsourced, etc. All of a sudden the income stream over years of employment actually become more pedestrian.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 01:12 PM (bt/Nj)
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Not really. Stock options can be lucrative, but they often are worth little. Tech employees rarely understand them or exercise them, unless they’re already ITM. Most people care about salary and benefits. It’s hard for gov’t to compete there.
As for H1Bs and outsourcing, we mostly used them when we couldn’t hire anyone domestically. There’s a massive shortage of qualified tech people in the U.S.
Posted by: Lurker at October 18, 2024 01:21 PM (FC8SQ)
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Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.
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Well, she's not wrong, at least about the first part. There are other reasons that will contribute to her loss (God-willing).
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Well, she's not wrong, at least about the first part. There are other reasons that will contribute to her loss (God-willing).
Posted by: Chuck Martel at October 18, 2024 01:21 PM (fs1hN)
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Nood
Posted by: Thanatopsis at October 18, 2024 01:22 PM (Q3Jz2)
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btw, did you notice Politico put "exhausted" in apostrophes, pretending it was a direct quote from a real person?
btw, did you notice Politico put "exhausted" in apostrophes, pretending it was a direct quote from a real person?
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 18, 2024 01:22 PM (LNk77)
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If the report on the SS dumbassery stands, then those responsible for it's oversight are equally, if not more so responsible. Looking at you Mayokas.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at October 18, 2024 01:22 PM (luW68)
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The source shares that Chavez advised Kamala not to attend the Al Smith dinner because it could send the wrong message and risk alienating LGBTQ and pro-abortion voters if she was seen cozying up to Catholics.
The joy is gone.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (TGPs7)
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So it is now official Democrat doctrine that Catholics are the enemy and will be purged? All Hispanics? Kennedys?
The joy is gone.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (TGPs7)
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So it is now official Democrat doctrine that Catholics are the enemy and will be purged? All Hispanics? Kennedys?
Posted by: Oldcat at October 18, 2024 01:22 PM (n7h9X)
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Elon shouldn't be a hammer. He should be a scythe.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench)
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How about a tire iron. A tire iron in one hand and a scythe in the other?
Elon shouldn't be a hammer. He should be a scythe.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench)
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How about a tire iron. A tire iron in one hand and a scythe in the other?
Posted by: Braenyard at October 18, 2024 01:22 PM (wD8nw)
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264 "[Trump would] be winning landslides if he had tried to wedge MAGA Republicans into a coalition with Bush-McCain Republicans, but he's incapable of that." For a guy who's spent his professional career as a 'Republican' you'd think he'd know that the battle between those wings has lasted for 60 years, and there's no reconciliation between them.
There's more to fisk, but Brooks isn't worth it. He's an idiot.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (qg/t1)
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Man, Trump did fucking try. It's just that Trump wasn't shy about calling the War on Terror a giant waste and mistake, the Bush family for driving the GOP into the gutter, and for the uniparty bending over backwards to accelerate America's decline.
He tried by working with Mitch and Ryan while Mitch and Ryan were allowing investigations into Trump for crimes they knew he didn't commit while stymying him on every policy preference through policy and ever potential administrative pick he had to send to the Senate.
The GOPe's irrelevance is entirely of their own making. I hope they enjoy the fact that they stop getting invited to cocktail parties by Democrats because they just don't fucking matter anymore.
There's more to fisk, but Brooks isn't worth it. He's an idiot.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (qg/t1)
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Man, Trump did fucking try. It's just that Trump wasn't shy about calling the War on Terror a giant waste and mistake, the Bush family for driving the GOP into the gutter, and for the uniparty bending over backwards to accelerate America's decline.
He tried by working with Mitch and Ryan while Mitch and Ryan were allowing investigations into Trump for crimes they knew he didn't commit while stymying him on every policy preference through policy and ever potential administrative pick he had to send to the Senate.
The GOPe's irrelevance is entirely of their own making. I hope they enjoy the fact that they stop getting invited to cocktail parties by Democrats because they just don't fucking matter anymore.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 18, 2024 01:22 PM (GBKbO)
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"[Trump would] be winning landslides if he had tried to wedge MAGA Republicans into a coalition with Bush-McCain Republicans, but he's incapable of that." For a guy who's spent his professional career as a 'Republican' you'd think he'd know that the battle between those wings has lasted for 60 years, and there's no reconciliation between them.
There's more to fisk, but Brooks isn't worth it. He's an idiot.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (qg/t1)
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So Trump increased his vote total by about 10 million voters from 2016 to 2020. That’s a lot of people he brought in. The Bush/McCain trade as well worth it.
There's more to fisk, but Brooks isn't worth it. He's an idiot.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 18, 2024 01:17 PM (qg/t1)
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So Trump increased his vote total by about 10 million voters from 2016 to 2020. That’s a lot of people he brought in. The Bush/McCain trade as well worth it.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 18, 2024 01:22 PM (Vh9CX)
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I know what a fo pa is. That's when I use the Cool Whip containers instead of salad bowls at Christmas, right?
Posted by: A Redneck at October 18, 2024 01:20 PM (2UnvF)
Nope. Cool whip containers ARE salad bowls.
Just like piggly wiggly bags are fancy trash can liners.
Posted by: A Redneck at October 18, 2024 01:20 PM (2UnvF)
Nope. Cool whip containers ARE salad bowls.
Just like piggly wiggly bags are fancy trash can liners.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 18, 2024 01:23 PM (FCbAQ)
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260 How does that differ from credentialism? Sure, DEI is the worst possible way to go about it. But I'm not convinced anyone has a good system of hiring and promoting people.
Posted by: Eeyore
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Griggs v. Duke Power obliterated the old hiring regimes by its ridiculous interpretation of the Civil Rights Act. They invented disparate impact out of whole legal cloth without any regard to the actual text and meaning of the CRA. A classic example of what not to do when interpreting statutes.
Subject related testing, physical standards, etc. is a far better way than credentialism or Didn't Earn It initiatives.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 01:18 PM (bt/Nj)
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But that is what we had from the 50s into the 80s. Didn't work great.
Posted by: Eeyore
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Griggs v. Duke Power obliterated the old hiring regimes by its ridiculous interpretation of the Civil Rights Act. They invented disparate impact out of whole legal cloth without any regard to the actual text and meaning of the CRA. A classic example of what not to do when interpreting statutes.
Subject related testing, physical standards, etc. is a far better way than credentialism or Didn't Earn It initiatives.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 01:18 PM (bt/Nj)
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But that is what we had from the 50s into the 80s. Didn't work great.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 18, 2024 01:23 PM (1bNHn)
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 18, 2024 01:24 PM (TGPs7)
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says this is a crime scene not an accident report.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 18, 2024 01:18 PM (n7h9X)
https://t.ly/_rGk9
Reported bear attack turns out to be an axe murder instead.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 18, 2024 01:18 PM (n7h9X)
https://t.ly/_rGk9
Reported bear attack turns out to be an axe murder instead.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 18, 2024 01:24 PM (hUApg)
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Chavez was in tears during the phone call as Kamala shred her to pieces, called her an idiot, inept, horrible at your f-ing job, and told her that her stupid advice is going to be the reason she loses.
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Lie down with Democrat dogs, get up with rabid fleas.
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Lie down with Democrat dogs, get up with rabid fleas.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 18, 2024 01:24 PM (L/fGl)
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Did anyone else notice that Trump wore a black tie to the white tie event?
I larfed.
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He wore a white one in 2016...
https://is.gd/cruUYW
also a funny meme
I larfed.
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He wore a white one in 2016...
https://is.gd/cruUYW
also a funny meme
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 18, 2024 01:25 PM (hovnC)
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Problem there is wholesale movement would require congressional legislation through either spending bills (which are laws) but subject to the Senate Parliamentarian as to whether Reconciliation rules can be used) or authorizing legislation which is subject to filibustering.
You can do that in the military far easier than you can with the civil service under the current laws and Scotus precedents.
Posted by: whig
When did Congress approve the last $450 million spending bill to Zelinski?
You can do that in the military far easier than you can with the civil service under the current laws and Scotus precedents.
Posted by: whig
When did Congress approve the last $450 million spending bill to Zelinski?
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 01:25 PM (3FQ2L)
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Glad the panel did this and it seems like a big accomplishment. Love to see it move forward.
I get tired of nay sayers, but... will this go anywhere or will the reigning figureheads, media *&%$@#, and Democrats simply toss it in the trash and brand anyone who dares speak its name "one of those crazy Trumpster conspiracist types"?
I get tired of nay sayers, but... will this go anywhere or will the reigning figureheads, media *&%$@#, and Democrats simply toss it in the trash and brand anyone who dares speak its name "one of those crazy Trumpster conspiracist types"?
Posted by: RM at October 18, 2024 01:27 PM (WXucK)
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Subject related testing, physical standards, etc. is a far better way than credentialism or Didn't Earn It initiatives.
Posted by: whig
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But that is what we had from the 50s into the 80s. Didn't work great.
Posted by: Eeyore
It worked great in the private, non union sector. You either produced or were fired. Toot sweet.
Posted by: whig
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But that is what we had from the 50s into the 80s. Didn't work great.
Posted by: Eeyore
It worked great in the private, non union sector. You either produced or were fired. Toot sweet.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 01:28 PM (3FQ2L)
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and to say my salary, which was a pretty good one by CS standards, was uncompetitive, is putting it mildly.
It simply isn't as attractive to come to DC and pay DC housing prices. You have to accept a much longer commute, to a lesser house, just to get in the market now.
Again, the appeal of working as a Fed varies with skill level. This isn't universally true; it's specific to the people who have other options.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Did you consider the NPV of your retirement income stream and the NPV of your federal health care benefits?
Note that most of private employment no longer provides defined benefit retirement plans in favor of 401k types. Corporate retirement health care has also become much stingier as far as benefits.
For fun, here is a NPV calculation assuming that the person retires at 60 and will live approximately to 85 (which is about the average lifespan of a fed retiree). Discount rate is 4.5 percent.
Annual benefit: $50,000
Number of payments: 25 years
Present value of each payment:
PV = $50,000 / (1 + 0.045)^25 ≈ $1,043,119
Assuming no colas, etc.
NPV = Σ (PV_i) ≈ $ $ 8,995,516.09
That is not considering health care benefits.
It simply isn't as attractive to come to DC and pay DC housing prices. You have to accept a much longer commute, to a lesser house, just to get in the market now.
Again, the appeal of working as a Fed varies with skill level. This isn't universally true; it's specific to the people who have other options.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Did you consider the NPV of your retirement income stream and the NPV of your federal health care benefits?
Note that most of private employment no longer provides defined benefit retirement plans in favor of 401k types. Corporate retirement health care has also become much stingier as far as benefits.
For fun, here is a NPV calculation assuming that the person retires at 60 and will live approximately to 85 (which is about the average lifespan of a fed retiree). Discount rate is 4.5 percent.
Annual benefit: $50,000
Number of payments: 25 years
Present value of each payment:
PV = $50,000 / (1 + 0.045)^25 ≈ $1,043,119
Assuming no colas, etc.
NPV = Σ (PV_i) ≈ $ $ 8,995,516.09
That is not considering health care benefits.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 01:29 PM (bt/Nj)
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Have F-1 from Texas Circuit of America on, 75 degrees and sunny so should be good weather not far from there
Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 01:29 PM (fwDg9)
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173 145 I consider it Trump's most difficult problem to solve. Put another way, he has to demolish the Deep State.
They will not go gently into that good night.
Posted by: Archimedes
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He be bringing Elon the Hammer along with him.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 18, 2024 12:57 PM (wD8nw)
Look at that guy in Argentina is doing it...that works.
You have to take big steps so the griping doesn't undo it all.
They will not go gently into that good night.
Posted by: Archimedes
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He be bringing Elon the Hammer along with him.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 18, 2024 12:57 PM (wD8nw)
Look at that guy in Argentina is doing it...that works.
You have to take big steps so the griping doesn't undo it all.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 18, 2024 01:30 PM (n7h9X)
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Practicable and Practical are two different words. Practicable means more if at all possible, not like practical which would imply some reasonably convenient time.
they should have said as soon as possible and not practicable. similar to the way people say equitable instead of equal. it lets them say something that the average person will not really comprehend what they are meaning.
they should have said as soon as possible and not practicable. similar to the way people say equitable instead of equal. it lets them say something that the average person will not really comprehend what they are meaning.
Posted by: Normy at October 18, 2024 01:33 PM (8n+9R)
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Mister Ghost - see lots of those on YouTube, amazing a few still look Fantastic in their 60s and 70s, but it's the minority, even in a bunch of 20yo Hotties from long ago.
Posted by: Skip at October 18, 2024 01:33 PM (fwDg9)
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But that is what we had from the 50s into the 80s. Didn't work great.
Posted by: Eeyore
Griggs was decided in 1970. Notice that NASA put a man on the moon in about ten years using that system. Our defense industries produced multiple weapons systems during that time that lasted for decades. We did not have open commies in high offices like a Communist Party member as CIA chief (Brennan).
Our schools produced literate graduates, our universities produced Nobel Prize winners, etc.
Then it all went to crap because of the Burger Court and his cohort of crappy GOP socially liberal justices like Blackmun, Burger himself, Powell, Stevens, etc. etc. Tells you something when Byron White, a JFK appointee, was more conservative than a lot of Nixon and even Reagan appointees aside from Scalia.
Posted by: Eeyore
Griggs was decided in 1970. Notice that NASA put a man on the moon in about ten years using that system. Our defense industries produced multiple weapons systems during that time that lasted for decades. We did not have open commies in high offices like a Communist Party member as CIA chief (Brennan).
Our schools produced literate graduates, our universities produced Nobel Prize winners, etc.
Then it all went to crap because of the Burger Court and his cohort of crappy GOP socially liberal justices like Blackmun, Burger himself, Powell, Stevens, etc. etc. Tells you something when Byron White, a JFK appointee, was more conservative than a lot of Nixon and even Reagan appointees aside from Scalia.
Posted by: whig at October 18, 2024 01:34 PM (bt/Nj)
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It worked great in the private, non union sector. You either produced or were fired. Toot sweet.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 01:28 PM (3FQ2L)
Even in the public sector, getting fired and humiliated when a blunder happens encourages good behavior. If half of FEMA had been fired and many jailed for manslaughter to murder to misuse of government funds the organization might have an entirely different attitude about getting the supplies out to those who need them.
Frankly, though FEMA just needs to be a few dozen people to watch the money. The army / navy / airforce / coast guard could do the heavy lifting on the field, and it would be good training for deployment. And if they screw up they can be court-martialed.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 01:28 PM (3FQ2L)
Even in the public sector, getting fired and humiliated when a blunder happens encourages good behavior. If half of FEMA had been fired and many jailed for manslaughter to murder to misuse of government funds the organization might have an entirely different attitude about getting the supplies out to those who need them.
Frankly, though FEMA just needs to be a few dozen people to watch the money. The army / navy / airforce / coast guard could do the heavy lifting on the field, and it would be good training for deployment. And if they screw up they can be court-martialed.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 18, 2024 01:35 PM (n7h9X)
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Posted by: Lansa at October 18, 2024 02:01 PM (tAxhP)
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What are there over 8,000 SSvc employees?
Posted by: Marcus at October 18, 2024 02:14 PM (bDM+e)
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When did Congress approve the last $450 million spending bill to Zelinski?
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 01:25 PM (3FQ2L)
The real question you should ask is how much did we give openly and secretly from 2014 on in Ukraine to build their army up, set up the Azov Nazi Brigades to commit atrocitis
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 18, 2024 01:25 PM (3FQ2L)
The real question you should ask is how much did we give openly and secretly from 2014 on in Ukraine to build their army up, set up the Azov Nazi Brigades to commit atrocitis
Posted by: Oldcat at October 18, 2024 02:26 PM (n7h9X)
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"Well, Officer, I shot him in the bew-tox, but it was Incompetence[TM], I swear!"
So tired of this line.
So tired of this line.
Posted by: Beverly at October 18, 2024 02:49 PM (Epeb0)
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99 Kamala "wins", the independent panel's recommendation is followed and current SS is replaced with long black leather coat SS.
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at October 18, 2024 12:35 PM (lg881)
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If Kamala takes over the SS can be spiffy and well-dressed; Hugo Boss, call your office....
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at October 18, 2024 12:35 PM (lg881)
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If Kamala takes over the SS can be spiffy and well-dressed; Hugo Boss, call your office....
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