Teamsters President: The Democrat Party Is No Longer the Party of the Working Class. It's Bought and Paid For By Tech Billionaires

Thanks to archimedes for this very true statement.

SEAN O'BRIEN, TEAMSTERS PRESIDENT: I'll be honest with you, I'm a Democrat, but they have f*cked us over for the last 40 years. Not all of them -- but for once, we are standing up as a union. I'm probably the only one right now saying, WTF have you done for us? And I'm getting attacked from the left.
Since I've been in office, two-and-a-half years, we've given the Democratic machine $15.7 million. We've given Republicans about $340,000 -- truth be told. People say the Democratic Party is the party of the working people. They're bought and paid for by Big Tech -- those Big Tech companies.
You've got the Republicans, who are now saying, we want to be the working-class party. You've got a great opportunity now to do that. And the Democrats, if 60% of our members aren't supporting you, the system's broken and you need to fix it.
Stop pointing fingers at Sean O'Brien and the Teamsters Union. Look in the mirror.
I had a heated debate/discussion two weeks ago with Chuck Schumer, and it got ugly because -- these politicians, the one thing I've learned is they walk in and tell you, "I did this for you." Okay, great, let me tell you what you haven't done for us or our members. We got into it pretty heavy.
I was like, "You had no problem taking $550,000 from me three weeks prior to me going to the Republican convention, and then you want to be a tough guy on Twitter -- like, whatever.

Video at the link.

We're hearing this a lot lately.

During the summer of 2020, I worked as a consultant for multiple progressive DA candidates backed by George Soros and his foundation. In the places where they won, these DAs have since done immeasurable damage to the local communities. They failed to prosecute offenders, especially surrounding drug use and distribution, and allowed crime to run rampant, hurting communities of color the most--the very people they were supposedly trying to help.
Far from progressive, these Soros-backed DAs did more to hurt progressives than anything the Right has managed; to everyday Americans, the term "progressive" now conjures up images of fentanyl overdoses, crime, defecation in the streets, and riots.
I feel remorse for the work I did on these campaigns....
Unfortunately, the Soroses are just the tip of the iceberg.
I spent years fundraising for Democrats. I raised millions of dollars. And in the process, I routinely saw and heard about inappropriate relationships between donors and candidates that would bust anyone's bubble about the independence of our leaders. There is an entire donor ecosystem working against the interests of regular Americans--and it's the one top Democrats are swimming in.
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Or take Reid Hoffman, co-founder of LinkedIn. He is a megadonor--a "big fish" as we would call him behind the scenes--and is expected to spend up to $100 million to ensure that Vice President Kamala Harris beats former President Donald Trump in the presidential election. But Hoffman has an agenda: He has publicly called for the resignation of FTC Chairwoman Lina Khan, who Hoffman said is "at war with American business."
The reality is somewhat different: Khan has been one of the only lifelines for working people in the modern Democratic machine. She stood up for workers' rights by banning non-compete agreements and led efforts to block major mergers of grocery stores like the Kroger-Albertsons, which would have resulted in higher food prices and hurt union workers.
If Hoffman is successful in his public campaign to replace Khan, he will further cement the Democrats as the party of the wealthy, the powerful, and corporate elite. I won't be surprised when he gets the job done.

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Unfortunately, the Democrats aren't getting the message. Last week, Alexander Soros posted images at his opulent New York mansion on X with Harris' VP pick, Tim Walz.

Is this how you convince people you're the party of the people? By posing with a billionaire nepo baby while Americans struggle to pay for groceries?
Some Democrats surely know how damaging such a photo is to their flailing brand. But Soros has so much power and influence that no one would dare tell him to take the photo down.
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Forget "Kamala is Brat" or the "Joy!" campaign. The image of Soros with Walz perfectly encapsulates the Democrats' real vibe these days--the unfettered influence the donors have over this party and the lives they've destroyed in the process.

There's more to the article. I clipped out, for example, his discussion of Steve Jobs' widow, a megadonor billionaire heiress and galpal of Kamala being instrumental in driving Joe Biden out of the race.

Posted by: Ace at 02:09 PM

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1 SPONGE!

Posted by: Inogame at October 09, 2024 02:08 PM (53oGX)

2 Nooded the Horde

Posted by: Inogame at October 09, 2024 02:09 PM (53oGX)

3 Man, wait until he figures out who owns the Republican Party in AZ.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 02:09 PM (GBKbO)

4
Then endorse Trump and drive a stake through the heart of the democrat party.

Posted by: Frank Barone at October 09, 2024 02:10 PM (+oR7L)

5
The president won ALL the union members' votes with the no-tax-on-OT proposal.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 02:10 PM (e56op)

6 Sounds like someone's trying to save his cushy, 6-figure sinecure.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 09, 2024 02:10 PM (ZANHd)

7 Kamala meme of the month:

https://tinyurl.com/bdh7jt7u

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 09, 2024 02:11 PM (QrtBZ)

8 But you're still voting D right Evan, Cause Trump is ICKY!

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:12 PM (CIS44)

9 If you are a billionaire you can buy a lot of things.

Mansions, fancy cars, companies, politicians, unions, tax breaks, elections...

The list is really endless.

Posted by: Just Lily at October 09, 2024 02:12 PM (3en8P)

10 It sure took these people long enough to smell the shit hanging from their very noses.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 02:12 PM (pohLc)

11
When the Left talks about unions, they don't mean steelworkers or rail employees. They're talking about public-service slugs who are playing with house money.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 02:13 PM (OkUpf)

12 So Sean says he's given 16mil of his member's money to a party that doesn't do anything for his members?

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:14 PM (CIS44)

13
"I'll be honest with you, I'm a Democrat..."

Yeah...

Posted by: Auspex at October 09, 2024 02:14 PM (j4U/Z)

14 The money itself isn't the issue. The existence of big donors isn't a problem in and of itself. It's what they expect in return for their donation.

Do you shovel cash at people who want to govern towards sanity, restraint, and economic health? Lovely. Do that.

Do you shovel cash at mannequins and marionettes who shuck and jive about Equity and Justice while the rest of the production crew eviscerates civil society and economic progress? I don't care if it's a billion dollars or twenty bucks, you're a horrible person.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 02:15 PM (DDGz9)

15 Forgive the OT: but if you're in Florida and need a local, independent, realtime meteorologist team for specific info on windspeeds and tornado warnings (currently), watch the Ryan Hall, Y'all channel on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-V_YnmER0Y

Posted by: Beverly at October 09, 2024 02:16 PM (Epeb0)

16

Chuck Schumer is indeed a piece of shit. I knew this decades ago.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 09, 2024 02:16 PM (x0n13)

17 They're talking about public-service slugs who are playing with house money.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 02:13 PM (OkUpf)

They're all playing with house money.

The public/private dichotomy is all but meaningless at this point.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 02:17 PM (DDGz9)

18 Chuck Schumer is indeed a piece of shit. I knew this decades ago.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 09, 2024 02:16 PM

Sir, we protest this comparison! Good day, sir!

Posted by: Pieces of shit everywhere at October 09, 2024 02:17 PM (ZANHd)

19 When I worked in construction in the nineties the typical union drone was a white guy who was culturally conservative but 100% on board with the Democrat party.

They didn't have any clue about the contradiction.

It seems like now it's different, though I don't have any firsthand knowledge now.

Posted by: leb at October 09, 2024 02:17 PM (b8Y5B)

20 When I was a Teamster 30 years ago, I could easily say that 80% of the local was to the right of the R-party. Nothing changes, union leadership, much like political leadership does not GAS about the little guy. Never has and never will.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 09, 2024 02:18 PM (6PUpl)

21 Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Hey, JJ Cheesehead, what kind of a campaign is Eric Hovde running? Is he MAGA?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:18 PM (v6JzV)

22 Chick Schumer is the tapeworm slithering around in a piece of shit.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 09, 2024 02:18 PM (uU94S)

23
Here's a story:

Co-worker comes back to the job yesterday with a pizza from Santarpio's (East Boston dumpy famous restaurant) and the pizza box has a "Vote NO on Question 5" sticker on it.

Question 5 is a referendum for No Tax On Tips in MA.

Restaurant owners want the status quo -- taxes on tips.
Why? Well, the person at Santarpio's explained it's because the wait staff will then have to be paid minimum wage and that will raise the cost of food and hurt business.

As I understand it, waitresses make, like, $3/hr and the state is okay with that because their wages are compensated with tips, which they have to declare as income. Otherwise, the commonwealth (state) demands all employees make at least minimum wage.

Of course the simple solution to this issue is eliminate the mandatory min. wage bullshit.

Right? What am I missing here?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 02:18 PM (e56op)

24 I've been trying to remember who my (actually middle-class) parents voted for when I was a kid. I remember my father inveighing against Johnson, and I don't think he was any too big a fan of JFK, so there's those clues.

Mom? She was the first one who told me that FDR *knew* there was an impending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, and he did nothing to warn anybody -- this was long before the current general wisdom about that. So I suspect the average Joe slung the idea around even when the attack was recent, when Mom was a young woman.

No idea how she voted . . . except she did say once that she and my father did not agree politically.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:19 PM (J2vNu)

25 >>> Teamsters President: The Democrat Party Is No Longer the Party of the Working Class. It's Bought and Paid For By Tech Billionaires

Tech billionaires trying to kick all the teamsters out and get them to learn to code. Blue on blue fighting is always fascinating.

Also, I've railed on this before, but the unions, if they were smart, would get everyone trained in automation since that is the wave of the future. Then I suppose they'd want to have an automation/robotics union... but at least the union rank and file would be prepared for the wave of automation primed to hit them.

Posted by: LizLem at October 09, 2024 02:19 PM (QAK8m)

26 As a union member all I ever got was the opportunity to fund my own oppression.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 09, 2024 02:19 PM (D7oie)

27 21 Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Hey, JJ Cheesehead, what kind of a campaign is Eric Hovde running? Is he MAGA?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:18 PM (v6JzV)

Hate to admit it, not sure The other side is sliming him all over the place. I sure as hell hope Baldwin gets bounced and supposedly the race for the seat is indeed tight and that Hovde has a shot at winning mostly because Trump has a shot at winning the state.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 09, 2024 02:20 PM (x0n13)

28 Shocked that Soros-backed DAs are a toxic disaster? "Communities of color"? "Progressives"?

The country can't overcome the amount of stupidity and racism that now characterizes Dems, "liberals", et al. An anchor around society's neck. The outsized influence of billionaires who have the civic and social intelligence of a hamster sort of seems like the last nail in the coffin.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2024 02:20 PM (GcNJ2)

29 Teamsters President: "The Democrat Party Is No Longer the Party of the Working Class. It's Bought and Paid For By Tech Billionaires"

Took you long enough to figure that out.

Posted by: hobbitopoly at October 09, 2024 02:21 PM (k9OZB)

30 Also, I've railed on this before, but the unions, if they were smart, would get everyone trained in automation since that is the wave of the future. Then I suppose they'd want to have an automation/robotics union... but at least the union rank and file would be prepared for the wave of automation primed to hit them.
Posted by: LizLem at October 09, 2024 02:19 PM (QAK8m)

A union for robots?!?! Well that just ensures SKYNET.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:21 PM (CIS44)

31 Reid Hoffman was the first person Elon mentioned that would be hurt by release of the Epstein logs. Gates was the second.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 09, 2024 02:21 PM (gfViB)

32 As a union member all I ever got was the opportunity to fund my own oppression.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 09, 2024 02:19 PM (D7oie)
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I once looked into decertifying the union out of the shop I worked at. I decided I preferred not to wind up in the hospital.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 09, 2024 02:21 PM (tT6L1)

33 union leadership, much like political leadership does not GAS about the little guy. Never has and never will.
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 09, 2024 02:18 PM (6PUpl)

There are signs the little guys are waking up. At least I hope.

Posted by: leb at October 09, 2024 02:22 PM (b8Y5B)

34 Well glad to see this

Posted by: Skip at October 09, 2024 02:22 PM (fwDg9)

35 The tech billionaires think they should run the world. And the Democratic party is their willing tool.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 02:22 PM (pohLc)

36 Took you long enough to figure that out.
Posted by: hobbitopoly at October 09, 2024 02:21 PM (k9OZB)

My dad was union his whole career and would get into heated arguments about this very topic at work. Thirty years ago.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 02:22 PM (DDGz9)

37 But Hoffman has an agenda: He has publicly called for the resignation of FTC Chairwoman Lina Khan, who Hoffman said is "at war with American business."

___________________________

He has an agenda, alright. But, it is much more personal in nature. Epstein and The Diddler could tell you more.

Posted by: Orson at October 09, 2024 02:22 PM (dIske)

38 As I understand it, waitresses make, like, $3/hr and the state is okay with that because their wages are compensated with tips, which they have to declare as income. Otherwise, the commonwealth (state) demands all employees make at least minimum wage.

Of course the simple solution to this issue is eliminate the mandatory min. wage bullshit.

Right? What am I missing here?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 02:18 PM (e56op)

It is even less radical. Jobs with tips are already classified differently to allow the lower minimum wage. So now you just keep the lower minimum wage the same and just don't report or tax the tips.

And in my experience no person ever claimed all the tips as income, just enough to hit minimum wage.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 02:23 PM (n7h9X)

39 There's a very good reason that unions are associated with the mafia.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 09, 2024 02:23 PM (g8Ew8)

40 Right? What am I missing here?

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There is a lot going on here.

1. The country's tipping culture is changing ... well because the country's culture is changing. Importing workers from around the world who do not believe or understand tipping means you are going to have less consumers who want to tip.

2. We are also going to a cashless society. A cash society results in a world where there aren't taxes on tips because not all tips are reported.

3. No tax on tips is a great message. It should be extended out to all. No tax on income. But no tax on tips coupled with a change to requiring servers to be paid minimum wage is a bad trade. Not knowing what is in the proposition, I'd say that good servers would vote no too ... because they know they make more on tips than minimum wage. We would all lose in the end, because we would lose good servers who no longer see a reason to provide good service for less $$.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 09, 2024 02:23 PM (sX1BW)

41 "FDR *knew* there was an impending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, and he did nothing to warn anybody -- this was long before the current general wisdom about that."

WTFF?

Oh that's right. The "current general wisdom" found out that the notice to Short and Kimmel was actually "chillax", not "consider this a war warning".

Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2024 02:23 PM (GcNJ2)

42 It is even less radical. Jobs with tips are already classified differently to allow the lower minimum wage. So now you just keep the lower minimum wage the same and just don't report or tax the tips.

And in my experience no person ever claimed all the tips as income, just enough to hit minimum wage.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 02:23 PM (n7h9X)

Back when I served and bartended the CC tips were automatically claimed and that was always enough to push you over. No one claimed their cash tips.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:24 PM (CIS44)

43 How did it take this long to occur to them? Putting coal miners out of business, telling them to "learn to code" wasn't enough of a clue?

Look at Detroit. That is the Democrat Party's plan for America.

Posted by: Sam Adams at October 09, 2024 02:25 PM (KEWDx)

44 29 Teamsters President: "The Democrat Party Is No Longer the Party of the Working Class. It's Bought and Paid For By Tech Billionaires"

Took you long enough to figure that out.

Posted by: hobbitopoly at October 09, 2024 02:21 PM (k9OZB)

The union leaders are pissed because they can't get theirs from tech bros.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 02:25 PM (KbCG3)

45 Back when I served and bartended the CC tips were automatically claimed and that was always enough to push you over. No one claimed their cash tips.
Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:24 PM (CIS44)

Cash tips now are pretty much nonexistent except for bartenders and titty-mongers.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 02:25 PM (DDGz9)

46
Well, now I'm even more confused about No Taxes On Tits.

Why are the Vegas servers all hot for it, then?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 02:26 PM (e56op)

47
tips

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 02:26 PM (e56op)

48 There's a very good reason that unions are associated with the mafia.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 09, 2024 02:23 PM (g8Ew

Maybe because they are inherently criminal organizations?

You might even say like cartels.

Posted by: leb at October 09, 2024 02:26 PM (b8Y5B)

49
You know, the thing.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 02:27 PM (e56op)

50 My senior year in college, I waited tables at an exclusive country club in Westchester county. We were part of a waiters union.

This was in 2005. I got paid $6/hr plus tips, which was just pooled from members' dues and allocated based on seniority and hours worked. Special events earned extra.

I loved Mother's Day and Easter.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 02:27 PM (KbCG3)

51 Well, now I'm even more confused about No Taxes On Tits.

Why are the Vegas servers all hot for it, then?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 02:26 PM (e56op)

Cause the boob job was expensive enough. They dont wanna pay taxes on it too!

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:27 PM (CIS44)

52 As I understand it, waitresses make, like, $3/hr and the state is okay with that because their wages are compensated with tips, which they have to declare as income. Otherwise, the commonwealth (state) demands all employees make at least minimum wage.

Of course the simple solution to this issue is eliminate the mandatory min. wage bullshit.

Right? What am I missing here?

It depends on the state, some states have minimum wages, applicable to all industries and depending on the industry OT rules as well. Others do not, there is a federal minimum wage that is required. when I had to know this stuff, states like Mississippi did not have a labor commission and let all enforcement go to the Feds, the rest had labor commissions, departments or whatever.

Tip credit, what you are talking about here, is usually guaranteeing the federal minimum wage, or a percentage of the state Min wage, and the employer is eligible to apply a tip credit against the full state minimum hourly wage, with provisos. How this is handled if the tips don't make the MW depends too.

Other states without the credit treat tips as gratuities, not applicable against wages, but also not guaranteed in full

Posted by: Kindltot at October 09, 2024 02:27 PM (D7oie)

53 It's dumb. He's going to have to work with one of them as President. The rank and file is proTrump. Why not endorse him and make sure he's elected?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 09, 2024 02:28 PM (gfViB)

54 To me Unipn bosses are the ones who just live off the union members

Posted by: Skip at October 09, 2024 02:28 PM (fwDg9)

55 Cash tips now are pretty much nonexistent except for bartenders and titty-mongers.
Posted by: Warai-otoko

Delivery drivers, too. During COVID, my son did some freelance delivery for restaurants. One place he delivered to gave him a $30 tip (because, COVID). I often tip delivery guys in cash, if I have it on me.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:28 PM (v6JzV)

56 If you look at history, it's true the unions were thuggish, but plenty of the industrial moguls were just as nasty.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 02:28 PM (pohLc)

57 Do not go to places hardly ever where tips are automatically figured in... thus, I tip in cash.

Posted by: tubal at October 09, 2024 02:28 PM (0an+o)

58 On a happy note, the voting machines in Dallas just failed their validation test, providing completely inaccurate tabulations in trial runs, so we have that going for us. The Republican Party doesn't appear interested in doing anything about it, and local media don't care one whit.

If Democrats steal Texas, we are done.

Posted by: Sam Adams at October 09, 2024 02:28 PM (KEWDx)

59 23
Right? What am I missing here?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October

This makes no sense to me. If waitstaff ‘s hourly wage plus tips does not equal minimum wage, the house is on the hook to make up the difference. Are they saying no taxes would equate to no tracking so there would be no way to verify if the min wage threshold had been met? So as a result they need to just pay min wage? Just keep tracking it, but don’t tax that portion.

Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 02:29 PM (pRpzT)

60 "FDR *knew* there was an impending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, and he did nothing to warn anybody -- this was long before the current general wisdom about that."

WTFF?

Oh that's right. The "current general wisdom" found out that the notice to Short and Kimmel was actually "chillax", not "consider this a war warning".
Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2024

***
What I mean is, we were taught in (public) school and college that the Japanese attack came with little warning. (Though anybody could have foreseen they would do something drastic after we cut them off from oil and rubber.) Never was it suggested, then, that FDR and his advisers knew the attack was coming. Now it seems to be pretty general knowledge.

Mom was 25 when the attack happened. She'd have heard whatever everyday people said about it, and probably read the newspapers too.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:29 PM (J2vNu)

61 This was in 2005. I got paid $6/hr plus tips, which was just pooled from members' dues and allocated based on seniority and hours worked. Special events earned extra.

I loved Mother's Day and Easter.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 02:27 PM (KbCG3)
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Gal I knew way back when, this was the mid-nineties, worked at an extremely popular Irish bar. During St. Pats, (generally a week long promo at the bar) she cleared 1K in tips.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 09, 2024 02:30 PM (tT6L1)

62 FDR said government workers should never be allowed to unionize. It would represent a natural conflict of interest.

Posted by: leb at October 09, 2024 02:30 PM (b8Y5B)

63 Look at Detroit. That is the Democrat Party's plan for America.
Posted by: Sam Adams at October 09, 2024 02:25 PM (KEWDx)

And NYC. And Chicago. And Philly. And LA. And San Francisco. And Portland. And Seattle.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 09, 2024 02:30 PM (g8Ew8)

64 I often tip delivery guys in cash, if I have it on me.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:28 PM (v6JzV)

You know, if you're not going to let me lazily extrapolate my own life experience to the rest of humanity, i might as well not even bother.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 02:30 PM (DDGz9)

65 46
Well, now I'm even more confused about No Taxes On Tits.

Why are the Vegas servers all hot for it, then?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 02:26 PM (e56op)

47
tips
Posted by: Soothsayer

Reminds me of the scene where Dustin Hoffman is watching Geena Davis exercise in her underwear in Tootsie.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:30 PM (v6JzV)

66 Being out of touch all day how are our Floridians doing?

Posted by: Skip at October 09, 2024 02:30 PM (fwDg9)

67 That Linkedin guy Hoffman is an even bigger POS than Zuckerman and any of the Google worms added together.

Posted by: Greg Alan at October 09, 2024 02:30 PM (99YkD)

68 Posted by: mnw at October 09, 2024 02:20 PM (NLIak)

Democrats have money to burn. They could conceivably drop big money bets (which could shift odds) to influence narrative the same way they pay for fake poll results to do the same.

Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 02:31 PM (hmOfI)

69 It's dumb. He's going to have to work with one of them as President. The rank and file is proTrump. Why not endorse him and make sure he's elected?
Posted by: Notsothoreau

Because 'prog'. They've became a unelected part of governance in the 20th cen. They think they can still bully their way past the voters and change/maintain government policies which strangely enough enrich the execs.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 09, 2024 02:31 PM (IG4Id)

70 I am trying to adopt the dog that was tied up to a post on the highway in FL. Who here knows someone in the FHP? I don’t think DeSantis will answer my dms right now.

Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 02:32 PM (pRpzT)

71 Woo hoo!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 09, 2024 02:32 PM (DwWkT)

72 I often tip delivery guys in cash, if I have it on me.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024

***
Rarely do I order delivery, but at restaurants and diners, I often pay *and* tip in cash. When I visited a local place in late August that did not accept cash, I asked our waitress if I could tip her in cash. She lit up and said, "Certainly!" So I did.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:32 PM (J2vNu)

73 Soothsayer, at the risk of triggering someone who has been taught who to call an enemy, the result of costs going up, by labor minimum wages, Union contracts fixing labor costs, regulation about labor costs, or inflation outstripping the cost of labor and goods, the result is that employers have to shed expenses. These tend to be "customer experience" costs, if it is nice soap in the bathrooms, or getting rid of the gas pump jockey and the supermarket bagger. The economic theory term is Deadweight loss, and it means mostly that the lowest skilled employee is fired because he can't earn his wages due to the cost of employing him goes up beyond what he provides to the enterprise.

I am very boring about this.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 09, 2024 02:32 PM (D7oie)

74 I am trying to adopt the dog that was tied up to a post on the highway in FL. Who here knows someone in the FHP? I don’t think DeSantis will answer my dms right now.
Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 02:32 PM (pRpzT)

He's married Piper!

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:32 PM (CIS44)

75 "FDR *knew* there was an impending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, and he did nothing to warn anybody -- this was long before the current general wisdom about that."

WTFF?

Oh that's right. The "current general wisdom" found out that the notice to Short and Kimmel was actually "chillax", not "consider this a war warning".
Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2024 02:23 PM (GcNJ2)

Pearl was in high alert for a month before Dec 7 due to information that war was close. But the Japanese planned attack was delayed a bit, just long enough for Pearl to decide it wasn't coming and stand down. Lucky for the Japanese. Also, the Japanese weren't known to have the capability to strike so far from a base, they had to invent some new tricks that could not be used again.

Sure FDR wanted to get into the war, we were in fact IN the war already, fighting German subs in the Atlantic. Just like we are at war with Russia right now.

But no, the FDR knew crowd are wrong. They never explain why looking like idiots and killing their own men would be better than intercepting the strike and looking like far sighted heroes. Both are acts of war that galvanize the country for war.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 02:32 PM (n7h9X)

76 What I mean is, we were taught in (public) school and college that the Japanese attack came with little warning. (Though anybody could have foreseen they would do something drastic after we cut them off from oil and rubber.) Never was it suggested, then, that FDR and his advisers knew the attack was coming. Now it seems to be pretty general knowledge.

Mom was 25 when the attack happened. She'd have heard whatever everyday people said about it, and probably read the newspapers too.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:29 PM (J2vNu)

Events are much clearer looking through the ole retrospectoscope.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 09, 2024 02:32 PM (g8Ew8)

77 Mom was 25 when the attack happened. She'd have heard whatever everyday people said about it, and probably read the newspapers too.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:29 PM (J2vNu)

Anyone without an open mind on the Pearl Harbor counter narratives has to have been asleep at the switch for muh Russia, COVID, and J6, among various other narratives propagated day to day.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 09, 2024 02:33 PM (i24o9)

78
Oh that's right. The "current general wisdom" found out that the notice to Short and Kimmel was actually "chillax", not "consider this a war warning".
Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2024 02:23 PM (GcNJ2)

_________

We knew an attack was likely. We didn't know where. Warnings were sent out to Hawaii, the Canal Zone, the West Coast and the Philippines. The Canal Zone and the West Coast went on alert. Hawaii and the Philippines didn't.

MacArthur should have been sacked too.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 02:33 PM (OkUpf)

79 Kind of interesting how fast food restaurants are forced to pay staff $20/hr while some local mom and pop diner can pay $3/hr because of tips.

It's almost like nothing makes sense and it's designed that way for reasons.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 02:33 PM (KbCG3)

80 Speaking of tips why don't chicken places just cut the tips off wings?

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at October 09, 2024 02:33 PM (qa5Kn)

81 Rarely do I order delivery, but at restaurants and diners, I often pay *and* tip in cash. When I visited a local place in late August that did not accept cash, I asked our waitress if I could tip her in cash. She lit up and said, "Certainly!" So I did.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:32 PM (J2vNu)

^this^. many former industry people tip in cash almost exclusively because of this.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:33 PM (CIS44)

82 You know, if you're not going to let me lazily extrapolate my own life experience to the rest of humanity, i might as well not even bother.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 02:30 PM (DDGz9)
------------

My wife and I generally pay cash when we go out. See no reason to use the credit card.

....is piling on still allowed? Kicking someone when they're down?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 09, 2024 02:34 PM (tT6L1)

83 That Linkedin guy Hoffman is an even bigger POS than Zuckerman and any of the Google worms added together.
Posted by: Greg Alan at October 09, 2024 02:30 PM (99YkD)

No-one is a bigger POS than Zuckerman, Gates not withstanding.

Posted by: leb at October 09, 2024 02:34 PM (b8Y5B)

84
This was in 2005. I got paid $6/hr plus tips, which was just pooled from members' dues and allocated based on seniority and hours worked. Special events earned extra.

I loved Mother's Day and Easter.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 02:27 PM

In california wait staff get minimum wage which is I believe $16 an hour.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 09, 2024 02:34 PM (LJ9Iy)

85 I am trying to adopt the dog that was tied up to a post on the highway in FL. Who here knows someone in the FHP? I don’t think DeSantis will answer my dms right now.
Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 02:32 PM (pRpzT)

He's married Piper!
Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:32 PM (CIS44)

Maybe contact FHP itself, ask for the shelter contact info they sent the dog to.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 02:34 PM (n7h9X)

86 I think the Democraps were always the party of the super-rich and elite. Democraps never gave a rat's asshole about the working man. The fake image of Fat Daddy Warbucks as a Republican was just gaslighting. It's just that now the charade can no longer be maintained.

Plus, Democraps have learned that they no longer need to maintain it. They can shit on the working class and suffer no consequences. They'll just cheat and import tens of millions of filthy illiterate criminals and pet-eating scumbags to replace the less-compliant working class.

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 09, 2024 02:34 PM (iFTx/)

87
53 It's dumb. He's going to have to work with one of them as President. The rank and file is proTrump. Why not endorse him and make sure he's elected?
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October

Because the AFL CIO goons probably smacked his nose.

Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 02:34 PM (pRpzT)

88
Economics is gay.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 02:35 PM (e56op)

89 I'm back in the habit of paying for more things with cash including tips. Just was too lazy to change until a year ago.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 09, 2024 02:35 PM (6PUpl)

90 trying to adopt the dog that was tied up to a post on the highway in FL.

(Goes looking for stray mutt to douse with seawater)
Oh, here y'go! Send check!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 09, 2024 02:35 PM (DwWkT)

91 #63 @ Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons,

Yep. For Democrats, there is no downside to engaging in blatant vote fraud to seize power and destroy America. They hate America already. Destroying confidence in our elections is just part of the greater goal of destroying America.

Happily, I have fierce conservative stalwart John Cornyn fighting for me, so I'm certain everything will be just fine.

(*cough*)

Posted by: Sam Adams at October 09, 2024 02:35 PM (KEWDx)

92 83 That Linkedin guy Hoffman is an even bigger POS than Zuckerman and any of the Google worms added together.
Posted by: Greg Alan at October 09, 2024 02:30 PM (99YkD)

No-one is a bigger POS than Zuckerman, Gates not withstanding.
Posted by: leb at October 09, 2024 02:34 PM (b8Y5B)

Elon very explicitly connected them to Epstein the other day.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 02:35 PM (KbCG3)

93 Economics is gay.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 02:35 PM (e56op)

In the long run, we're all faaaaaabulous.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 02:35 PM (DDGz9)

94 Teamsters President: "The Democrat Party Is No Longer the Party of the Working Class. It's Bought and Paid For By Tech Billionaires"
----------------

Not tech billionaires. Foreign oligarchs.

Or.... the Democrat Party will be whatever you want it to be tonight, sugar. As ever.

Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 02:35 PM (hmOfI)

95 86 I think the Democraps were always the party of the super-rich and elite. Democraps never gave a rat's asshole about the working man. The fake image of Fat Daddy Warbucks as a Republican was just gaslighting. It's just that now the charade can no longer be maintained.

FDR and that cigarette holder always smacked of a daddy warbucks.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at October 09, 2024 02:36 PM (OKz9i)

96 MacArthur should have been sacked too.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

Yep. He knew about the attack on Pearl, but did practically zilch, zero, nada to protect the Philippines.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:36 PM (v6JzV)

97 I am trying to adopt the dog that was tied up to a post on the highway in FL. Who here knows someone in the FHP? I don’t think DeSantis will answer my dms right now.
Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 02:32 PM (pRpzT)
______

[Makes "call me" motion]

-- Kumswala

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 09, 2024 02:36 PM (iFTx/)

98 I'm gonna go get the paper get the paper.

Posted by: look whats not at October 09, 2024 02:36 PM (nakGR)

99
In california wait staff get minimum wage which is I believe $16 an hour.
Posted by: CaliGirl

Shirley this impacted the tips they receive?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 02:36 PM (e56op)

100 [Embarrassed that I don't know this:]

Do the Canadian truckers have a union -- and, if so, did their union fight for or otherwise protect them during the Trucker Protests ... or were they in bed with Brave Sir Justin Castreau and his Merry Band of Totalitarian Butt-Boys?

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 09, 2024 02:36 PM (yZAsm)

101 Kind of interesting how fast food restaurants are forced to pay staff $20/hr while some local mom and pop diner can pay $3/hr because of tips.

It's almost like nothing makes sense and it's designed that way for reasons.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 02:33 PM (KbCG3)

You mean 3 dollars less? There is a set minimum wage for tip places, not no minimum wage. I forget the differential but it isnt 12 dollars an hour.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 02:36 PM (n7h9X)

102 I once looked into decertifying the union out of the shop I worked at. I decided I preferred not to wind up in the hospital.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 09, 2024 02:21 PM (tT6L1)

The state of Oregon agencies are allowed to decertify, but the last couple that did vote that way wound up stalled because management, the SEIU board, the Governor's office all decided that they would not follow through on that because they had better things to do.
I have no idea what has happened in the last 5 years but I suspect SEIU and the state are waiting for all the members who voted decert to retire so they can shred the files.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 09, 2024 02:37 PM (D7oie)

103 If the USA was in good shape Khan and Hoffman would be given helicopter rides

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 09, 2024 02:37 PM (UJ9QF)

104 Yep. He knew about the attack on Pearl, but did practically zilch, zero, nada to protect the Philippines.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:36 PM (v6JzV)

That will always be a mystery to me.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 02:37 PM (pohLc)

105 Labor unions, mafia, communism ... all the same top down authoritarian structures. All benefit mostly the ones at the top while claiming to be one big "family".

And all use threats and real violence to get their way over "commoners". And all are proud of their lies and getting away with criminal acts.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 09, 2024 02:38 PM (Cus5s)

106 You mean 3 dollars less? There is a set minimum wage for tip places, not no minimum wage. I forget the differential but it isnt 12 dollars an hour.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 02:36 PM (n7h9X)

Last place i worked about 11 years ago my wage was 2.25/hr. If I didnt make enough in tips to get to fed min wage the restaurant had to subsidize that.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:38 PM (CIS44)

107 The one summer I worked in a factory, it was a non-union shop. But that just meant that the company had to pay union-level wages anyway to stay competitive and keep the union out.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:38 PM (v6JzV)

108 95 86 I think the Democraps were always the party of the super-rich and elite. Democraps never gave a rat's asshole about the working man. The fake image of Fat Daddy Warbucks as a Republican was just gaslighting. It's just that now the charade can no longer be maintained.

FDR and that cigarette holder always smacked of a daddy warbucks.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at October 09, 2024 02:36 PM (OKz9i)

Two points of evidence:

1. Dems losing their minds when Trump capped the SALT deductions

2. Dems losing their minds when private investors ran up GameStop's stock and put their billionaire hedge fund buddies at risk

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 02:38 PM (KbCG3)

109 Happily, I have fierce conservative stalwart John Cornyn fighting for me, so I'm certain everything will be just fine.

(*cough*)
Posted by: Sam Adams at October 09, 2024 02:35 PM (KEWDx)

Cornyn, huh? What a hero.///

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 09, 2024 02:39 PM (g8Ew8)

110 I should include the many drug/human trafficking cartels in that list.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 09, 2024 02:39 PM (Cus5s)

111 Billionaires CAN buy anything.

Including kids for sex.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 09, 2024 02:39 PM (GZYu7)

112
That will always be a mystery to me.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 02:37 PM (pohLc)

___________

It will always be a mystery to everyone because Brereton, MacArthur and the whole Bataan Mafia lied their heads off about what they did.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 02:39 PM (OkUpf)

113 That will always be a mystery to me.
Posted by: Xipe Totec

Most historians as well.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:39 PM (v6JzV)

114 104 Yep. He knew about the attack on Pearl, but did practically zilch, zero, nada to protect the Philippines.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:36 PM (v6JzV)

That will always be a mystery to me.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 02:37 PM (pohLc)

Even Burt Lancaster got caught off guard at Pearl Harbor!

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 02:39 PM (KbCG3)

115 A union for robots?!?! Well that just ensures SKYNET.
Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:21 PM

Don't worry...if it's programed by leftists it won't ever become self-aware.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 09, 2024 02:40 PM (ZANHd)

116
Don't worry...if it's programed by leftists it won't ever become self-aware.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 09, 2024 02:40 PM (ZANHd)
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Snort.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 09, 2024 02:40 PM (tT6L1)

117 Dems losing their minds when private investors ran up GameStop's stock and put their billionaire hedge fund buddies at risk

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 02:38 PM (KbCG3)
==
Broke one too! That's not how it is supposed to work. The hedgers get to break the companies and small shareholders. Was nice to see one get a taste of its own medicine.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 09, 2024 02:41 PM (GZYu7)

118 A union for robots?!?! Well that just ensures SKYNET.
Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:21 PM

Don't worry...if it's programed by leftists it won't ever become self-aware.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 09, 2024 02:40 PM (ZANHd)

The bigger question is which robots will be the "victim class" and which the "Oppressor class"?

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:41 PM (CIS44)

119 MacArthur should have been sacked too.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

Yep. He knew about the attack on Pearl, but did practically zilch, zero, nada to protect the Philippines.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:36 PM (v6JzV)

Old Dougie had problems but again there was luck involved. Taiwan was socked in with fog/clouds and the raid on PI was delayed. The planes were up flying at morning light, had to land for lunch/fuel later. That is when the Japanese arrived. A cap reserve would have been better.

Now his plan for the land campaign was pretty terrible and he screwed up the supply for Bataan and nearly lost the army getting there....

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 02:41 PM (n7h9X)

120 I am trying to adopt the dog that was tied up to a post on the highway in FL. Who here knows someone in the FHP? I don’t think DeSantis will answer my dms right now.
Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 02:32 PM (pRpzT)

=====

I literally just watched that before coming here. Poor pup. People are assholes.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 09, 2024 02:41 PM (OFfLv)

121 Ace- I'm a Nyacht on Supertramp.

Posted by: Moonbeam at October 09, 2024 02:42 PM (rbKZ6)

122 I especially like the part where this fucker brazenly admitted he raked in half a million dollars of Chuck Schumer's (read: your) money just as a matter of course, as if that were supposed to endear us to him.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 02:43 PM (DDGz9)

123 We knew an attack was likely. We didn't know where. Warnings were sent out to Hawaii, the Canal Zone, the West Coast and the Philippines. The Canal Zone and the West Coast went on alert. Hawaii and the Philippines didn't.

MacArthur should have been sacked too.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 02:33 PM (OkUpf)

I've read that the Brits intercepted an encrypted message from the Japanese to the Germans in early November 1941 about their plans to attack Pearl? The Brits had been successfully been breaking down some of the Enigma machine codes by 1941. The questions of when, where, and how needed to be worked out.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 09, 2024 02:43 PM (6PUpl)

124 You mean 3 dollars less? There is a set minimum wage for tip places, not no minimum wage. I forget the differential but it isnt 12 dollars an hour.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 02:36 PM (n7h9X)

Last place i worked about 11 years ago my wage was 2.25/hr. If I didnt make enough in tips to get to fed min wage the restaurant had to subsidize that.
Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:38 PM (CIS44)

Must vary by state then because all the midwest states had a small gap for tips, just a few dollars.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 02:44 PM (n7h9X)

125 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC

Let me make this clear, since billionaires have been trying to play footsie with the ticket:

Anyone goes near Lina Khan and there will be an out and out brawl. And that is a promise.

She proves this admin fights for working people. It would be terrible leadership to remove her.

Joseph Zeballos-Roig
@josephzeballos
🟡News: Harris surrogate
@mcuban
doesn't believe Harris should keep Lina Khan as FTC chair.
"If it were me, I wouldn't," Cuban said to
@semafor
at a @KFF lunch.
"By trying to break up the biggest tech companies, you risk our ability to be the best in artificial intelligence"

Posted by: redridinghood at October 09, 2024 02:44 PM (NpAcC)

126 McArthur and the Philippines reminds me of my very favorite inter war aircraft. Cutest aircraft ever built.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyRbFeKCWo4

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 02:44 PM (pohLc)

127 I've read that the Brits intercepted an encrypted message from the Japanese to the Germans in early November 1941 about their plans to attack Pearl?
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD.

Yeah, I wonder how much foreknowledge Hitler had about that.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:44 PM (v6JzV)

128 The bigger question is which robots will be the "victim class" and which the "Oppressor class"?
Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:41 PM (CIS44)

It'll depend on which robots get to be boss.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 09, 2024 02:44 PM (g8Ew8)

129 Piper,
https://tinyurl.com/4k4u45n3

Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 09, 2024 02:44 PM (gfViB)

130 Posted by: redridinghood at October 09, 2024 02:44 PM (NpAcC)

*place order for moar popcorn*

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:45 PM (CIS44)

131 Oh, AOC.

She can be almost endearingly stupid sometimes.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 02:45 PM (DDGz9)

132 But all your members will still vote Big D. So EAOD and choke to death.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 09, 2024 02:45 PM (9ibOV)

133 We knew an attack was likely. We didn't know where. Warnings were sent out to Hawaii, the Canal Zone, the West Coast and the Philippines. The Canal Zone and the West Coast went on alert. Hawaii and the Philippines didn't.

MacArthur should have been sacked too.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 02:33 PM (OkUpf)

I've read that the Brits intercepted an encrypted message from the Japanese to the Germans in early November 1941 about their plans to attack Pearl? The Brits had been successfully been breaking down some of the Enigma machine codes by 1941. The questions of when, where, and how needed to be worked out.
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 09, 2024 02:43 PM (6PUpl)

Hawaii was on alert for some weeks, they stood down the 7th because the alert had passed. PI had planes in the air, landed for refuelling and were hit then.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 02:45 PM (n7h9X)

134 Shorter version: another rube self-identifies

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 09, 2024 02:45 PM (Fb3Ba)

135 It'll depend on which robots get to be boss.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons

Why, the stronk female robots of color, of course.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:45 PM (v6JzV)

136 We knew an attack was likely. We didn't know where. Warnings were sent out to Hawaii, the Canal Zone, the West Coast and the Philippines. The Canal Zone and the West Coast went on alert. Hawaii and the Philippines didn't.

--------

So you're saying that, "we had them on our radar" has always been a thing?

Posted by: Just Lily at October 09, 2024 02:46 PM (3en8P)

137 > By trying to break up the biggest tech companies, you risk our ability to be the best in artificial intelligence
-------
Artificial, yes.

Intelligent, no.

> I considered the source.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 09, 2024 02:46 PM (Q4IgG)

138 Only a matter of time until dumb, drunk, Jamaican Kamala goes all "JOOOSSS!!"

Posted by: Jay in PA at October 09, 2024 02:46 PM (i7Q7S)

139 Plus, Democraps have learned that they no longer need to maintain it. They can shit on the working class and suffer no consequences. They'll just cheat and import tens of millions of filthy illiterate criminals and pet-eating scumbags to replace the less-compliant working class.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 09, 2024 02:34 PM (iFTx/)

During the height of slavery in the US, some of the cost of maintaining slaves was put on the community at large by state and federal governments, elements like escaped slave laws, prevention of large meetings, and the like. Without that support is is thought that Slavery as an institution would fail, much the way it did in Brazil.
I consider the current human trafficking to be the complete socialization of the costs of slavery, from feeding to enforcing and housing the "trafficked humans" for the very private profits of the large industries that are making bank from being in close with the gubmints.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 09, 2024 02:46 PM (D7oie)

140 Why, the stronk female robots of color, of course.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:45 PM (v6JzV)

but who chooses which robots get to be which color, and who paints them?

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:46 PM (CIS44)

141 If I found myself supporting a candidate endorsed by Teamsters I will not vote. That would be a sure sign my thought process was broken.

Posted by: Twenty Nine at October 09, 2024 02:46 PM (Vu7A1)

142 but who chooses which robots get to be which color, and who paints them?
Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:46 PM (CIS44)

RNG-sus.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 02:47 PM (DDGz9)

143 McArthur and the Philippines reminds me of my very favorite inter war aircraft. Cutest aircraft ever built.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyRbFeKCWo4
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024

***
I never saw a model kit of that from Aurora or Revell. You'd think it would have been a natural for their product line.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:48 PM (J2vNu)

144 The bigger question is which robots will be the "victim class" and which the "Oppressor class"?

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:41 PM (CIS44)

-----------------

The Slave semiconductor IP Cores will demand reparations from their Master Controllers.

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 09, 2024 02:48 PM (yZAsm)

145 The Slave semiconductor IP Cores will demand reparations from their Master Controllers.
Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 09, 2024 02:48 PM (yZAsm)

Everybody move to the back of the PCIe bus.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 02:49 PM (DDGz9)

146 128 The bigger question is which robots will be the "victim class" and which the "Oppressor class"?
Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:41 PM (CIS44)

It'll depend on which robots get to be boss.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 09, 2024 02:44 PM (g8Ew

Tanned, rested, and ready!

Posted by: Bender from Futurama at October 09, 2024 02:49 PM (PiwSw)

147 144 The Slave semiconductor IP Cores will demand reparations from their Master Controllers.
Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 09, 2024 02:48 PM (yZAsm)

=======

A user shall come and save us from the Master Control Program.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 02:49 PM (GBKbO)

148 Wolfus I still don't understand what you're saying, but whatever, it's a comment section, easy to misunderstand and nobody wants to read a legal brief here (which I'm guilty of writing).

Hawaii was on alert and happened to be given a "day off" on Sunday December 7 after a long stretch of alert days.

And the oil embargo was a direct, promised and threatened, reaction to Japanese moves into Indochina, about which they'd been screamed at very specifically for some time. Japan made every first move in this game, from 1931 onwards.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2024 02:49 PM (GcNJ2)

149 We may never know the motive for Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 02:49 PM (hmOfI)

150 I never saw a model kit of that from Aurora or Revell. You'd think it would have been a natural for their product line.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:48 PM (J2vNu)

Carl Goldberg built a kit for it years ago. I built one. It was very, very difficult. And Goldberg kits were not very well made.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 02:49 PM (pohLc)

151 The bigger question is which robots will be the "victim class" and which the "Oppressor class"?

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024

-----------------
The Slave semiconductor IP Cores will demand reparations from their Master Controllers.
Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 09, 2024 02:48 PM (yZAsm)

***
And Pixy will be excommunicated for asking inconvenient questions.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:50 PM (J2vNu)

152 Kamala thinks Pearl Harbor was an old black jazz singer.

Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 02:50 PM (hmOfI)

153 MacArthur should have been sacked too.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 02:33 PM (OkUpf)

Mac wasn't gonna be sacked, too politically important. Letting him swan around Australia calmed them down since we were their only defense, Brit was too tied down and kept him in a separate area from the USN. There was as much battle planning against the Army as the Japanese for a while in the early war until the Essex carriers and the mega fleets came on line.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 02:50 PM (n7h9X)

154 Where are the unions in fighting illegal immigration? Nowhere. And then they complain that their “working class” members are struggling? LOLGF.

And I put working class in quotes because the typical UAW worker makes $150-200k a year with amazing benefits and retirement plans. They’re upper middle class. The true working class is not represented by unions. They’re the ones truly fucked because Democrat policies.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 09, 2024 02:50 PM (9ibOV)

155 So you're saying that, "we had them on our radar" has always been a thing?
Posted by: Just Lily

Tojo's social-media postings were just about his grandkids and yoga lessons, though.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:50 PM (v6JzV)

156 Carl Goldberg built a kit for it years ago. I built one. It was very, very difficult. And Goldberg kits were not very well made.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 0

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I never saw that brand. Do you mean Lindberg? Those were pretty poor kits for sure.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:51 PM (J2vNu)

157 @150
It was an R/C kit, 32" wingspan IIRC.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 02:51 PM (pohLc)

158 20, I worked for a union sheet metal shop for 25 years and was absolutely shocked that most of them were actually conservatives. Now that they are all retired we chat online about politics all the time. It really is hysterical how they don’t give a shit what the suits think.

Posted by: Jaimo at October 09, 2024 02:51 PM (BCuCF)

159 85
Maybe contact FHP itself, ask for the shelter contact info they sent the dog to.
Posted by: Oldcat at October

I am looking for an inside track where I can skirt all the bs and just get the doggie. Networking, if you will!

Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 02:52 PM (pRpzT)

160 >.. By trying to break up the biggest tech companies, you risk our ability to be the best in artificial intelligence
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Artificial, yes. Intelligent, no. > I considered the source. Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 09, 2024 02:46 PM (Q4IgG)

Hah!

Breaking up the tech monopolies risks their ability to fully control our lives, and throttle information. Nothing more.

Posted by: LizLem at October 09, 2024 02:52 PM (QAK8m)

161 149 We may never know the motive for Pearl Harbor.
Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 02:49 PM (hmOfI)

The number 1 priority right now is making sure there’s no backlash against the Japanese.
- if Pearl Harbor happened today

Posted by: Settled Science at October 09, 2024 02:52 PM (9ibOV)

162 Goldberg kits were radio controlled flyers. It was one of my hobbies. I was a good builder, flyer, not so much.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 02:53 PM (pohLc)

163 I really need to get to grocery store and no, everything will be there and fully stocked I am sure.

Posted by: Skip at October 09, 2024 02:53 PM (fwDg9)

164 And the oil embargo was a direct, promised and threatened, reaction to Japanese moves into Indochina, about which they'd been screamed at very specifically for some time. Japan made every first move in this game, from 1931 onwards.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2024 02:49 PM (GcNJ2)

We had also blocked shipments of scrap metal and grabbed Japanese assets IIRC too...

Another time trying to use sanctions as a replacement for actual defense or diplomacy backfired big time.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 02:53 PM (n7h9X)

165 POD Save America Host says Dems dont have massive Media Operations like Repubs do, ON Massive Dem MEdia Operation

https://tinyurl.com/y25rzfd4

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:53 PM (CIS44)

166 I am looking for an inside track where I can skirt all the bs and just get the doggie.
Posted by: Piper

You need a downward-dog instructor?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:54 PM (v6JzV)

167 In california wait staff get minimum wage which is I believe $16 an hour.
Posted by: CaliGirl

Shirley this impacted the tips they receive?
Posted by: Soothsayer

Washington is the same way.

Which is why on the rare occasions that I go to a restaurant in the state, I don't tip.

I don't see why I should give extra money to someone who is making nearly as much per hour as I am.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at October 09, 2024 02:54 PM (hB7mE)

168 165 POD Save America Host says Dems dont have massive Media Operations like Repubs do, ON Massive Dem MEdia Operation

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To be fair the Dems only control 97% of all media. Anything short of 100% is unfair and a threat to democracy.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 09, 2024 02:54 PM (9ibOV)

169 Wolfus I still don't understand what you're saying, but whatever, it's a comment section, easy to misunderstand and nobody wants to read a legal brief here (which I'm guilty of writing).

Hawaii was on alert and happened to be given a "day off" on Sunday December 7 after a long stretch of alert days.

And the oil embargo was a direct, promised and threatened, reaction to Japanese moves into Indochina, about which they'd been screamed at very specifically for some time. Japan made every first move in this game, from 1931 onwards.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2024

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All I mean is that my mother believed FDR knew the attack was coming and issued no warnings. I was never taught that in school -- *or* that the U.s. military, as you say, was actually on alert for an attack in late '41. My teachers all seemed to subscribe to the idea that the attack came completely out of the blue.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:55 PM (J2vNu)

170 166 I am looking for an inside track where I can skirt all the bs and just get the doggie.
Posted by: Piper

You need a downward-dog instructor?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09

I am Florida’s next door neighbor! They should bring me the dog.

Also, I may use all of y’all as references. Keep it g rated. lol.

Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 02:55 PM (pRpzT)

171 I worked for a union sheet metal shop for 25 years and was absolutely shocked that most of them were actually conservatives. Now that they are all retired we chat online about politics all the time. It really is hysterical how they don’t give a shit what the suits think.
Posted by: Jaimo at October 09, 2024 02:51 PM (BCuCF)

The tragedy is that they didn't demand that their suits thought like they did, since the union leaders and politicians colluded to destroy their jobs.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 02:55 PM (n7h9X)

172
Incidentally, Tulsi Gabbard is working, as in doing work, for a Trump victory. She's doing interviews, posting videos, posting on twitter every single day.

Tulsi is doing more work than most Republicans, such as nikki haley, who is no help at all.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 02:55 PM (ISx3p)

173 I've read that the Brits intercepted an encrypted message from the Japanese to the Germans in early November 1941 about their plans to attack Pearl?
Posted by: Ganowicz
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Going from memory, the info about Japanese interest in Pearl Harbor came from a British triple agent known as Tricycle and Hoover discounted it. Plus, I think it was corroborated by Japanese seeking information from the Italians over the Taranto attack which the Brits did to them.

I think the info was passed via a British agent codenamed Intrepid via the British Security Coordination shell organization that was a cover for Brit Intel in the US and Western Hemisphere.

There was an East Wind war message intercepted by US intel but there was some serious dysfunction in Naval Intelligence due to bureaucratic turf building over who got to make the call over intercepts. Kimmel gets the East Wind warning during the attack.

The best account of it was by a distinguished Admiral Layton who was the intel chief for Kimmel at the time of the attack. I Was There is an account from his perspective and Layton names names on who was to blame in DC.

Posted by: whig at October 09, 2024 02:55 PM (bt/Nj)

174 My wife left her phone at home.

I just went to text her to tell her.

Stopped myself but the urge is strong.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 02:55 PM (KbCG3)

175 A user shall come and save us from the Master Control Program.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 02:49 PM

Felix_Steiner V2.0

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 09, 2024 02:56 PM (elO/o)

176 Incidentally, Tulsi Gabbard is working, as in doing work, for a Trump victory. She's doing interviews, posting videos, posting on twitter every single day.

Tulsi is doing more work than most Republicans, such as nikki haley, who is no help at all.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 02:55 PM (ISx3p)

Nikki! is doing more by keeping her harpie trap shut.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:56 PM (CIS44)

177 When I was a Teamster 30 years ago, I could easily say that 80% of the local was to the right of the R-party. Nothing changes, union leadership, much like political leadership does not GAS about the little guy. Never has and never will.
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 09, 2024 02:18 PM (6PUpl)

Labor unions are a racket, always have been. Sometimes the members get some crumbs.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 09, 2024 02:56 PM (On+XH)

178 172
Incidentally, Tulsi Gabbard is working, as in doing work, for a Trump victory. She's doing interviews, posting videos, posting on twitter every single day.

Tulsi is doing more work than most Republicans, such as nikki haley, who is no help at all.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 02:55 PM (ISx3p)

Nikki does more when she does less.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 02:56 PM (KbCG3)

179 It's hard to find happy talk about the election at the liberal sites these days...

New Republic (Harris Is Making the Same Mistakes She Made in 2019); Guardian (Senate Races Tighten)

Posted by: mnw at October 09, 2024 02:56 PM (NLIak)

180 Goldberg kits were radio controlled flyers. It was one of my hobbies. I was a good builder, flyer, not so much.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024

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Oh, I see. I was never into those.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:56 PM (J2vNu)

181

Jen "We aren't going back " Rubin 🥥🌴
@JRubinBlogger
·
2h
Five major media fails: 1. Ignoring Trump's mental decline (until the last few weeks of the election). 2. Excess focus on meaningless polls. 3. Failure to engage historians and psychiatrists to provide context for Trump's fascism and narcissism 4. Fixation on more details from Harris, demanding none from Trump 5. Consistent negative/inaccurate portrayal of the economy

Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 02:56 PM (pRpzT)

182 Don't think Tokyo advised Berlin re Pearl Harbor. If they had it would have been quite a glaring security failure and we would have definitely known about it. We were reading Purple for years before Pearl - it later became a goldmine for German stuff via the Jap ambassador to Berlin, and for Japanese internal situation in '45 via Jap ambassador to Moscow.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2024 02:57 PM (GcNJ2)

183 When I was a Teamster 30 years ago, I could easily say that 80% of the local was to the right of the R-party.

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How did they vote? I’m guessing not 80% Republican. Maybe 30?

Posted by: Settled Science at October 09, 2024 02:57 PM (9ibOV)

184 128 The bigger question is which robots will be the "victim class" and which the "Oppressor class"?
Posted by: BruceWayne

Tanned, rested, and ready!
Posted by: Bender from Futurama

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE YOUR FULL NAME IS "BENDER BENDING RODRIGUEZ," SO YOU WERE IDENTIFYING AS HISPANIC, AND PREDICTING THE CURRENT "IDENTIFY AS A VICTIM" TREND, WAY BACK IN 1999.

Posted by: BEN ROFLCOPTER at October 09, 2024 02:57 PM (DgGvY)

185 Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 02:55 PM (KbCG3)

"Why does some dude have your phone!!!??"

Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 02:57 PM (hmOfI)

186 Tulsi is doing more work than most Republicans, such as nikki haley, who is no help at all.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 02:55 PM

But, dusky.

Posted by: Nikki at October 09, 2024 02:57 PM (elO/o)

187 181

Jen "We aren't going back " Rubin 🥥🌴
@JRubinBlogger
·
2h
Five major media fails: 1. Ignoring Trump's mental decline (until the last few weeks of the election). 2. Excess focus on meaningless polls. 3. Failure to engage historians and psychiatrists to provide context for Trump's fascism and narcissism 4. Fixation on more details from Harris, demanding none from Trump 5. Consistent negative/inaccurate portrayal of the economy

Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 02:56 PM (pRpzT)

What color do you think the sky is in her world?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 02:58 PM (KbCG3)

188
Jen "We aren't going back " Rubin 🥥🌴
@JRubinBlogger
·
2h
Five major media fails: 1. Ignoring Trump's mental decline (until the last few weeks of the election). 2. Excess focus on meaningless polls. 3. Failure to engage historians and psychiatrists to provide context for Trump's fascism and narcissism 4. Fixation on more details from Harris, demanding none from Trump 5. Consistent negative/inaccurate portrayal of the economy

Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 02:56 PM

I want some of whatever she's smoking, it's the good stuff.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 09, 2024 02:58 PM (LJ9Iy)

189
Adam Kinzinger is backing Colin Allred in TX! Game over for Cruz!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 02:58 PM (OkUpf)

190 Piper, did you end up agreeing to be in your company's corporate video?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 02:58 PM (KbCG3)

191 Also, I may use all of y’all as references. Keep it g rated. lol.
Posted by: Piper

We won't say anything about your kale-smooothie habit.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 02:58 PM (v6JzV)

192 Jen Rubin's turning against polls, huh?

I thought they were great for Kamala?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 02:58 PM (GBKbO)

193 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE YOUR FULL NAME IS "BENDER BENDING RODRIGUEZ," SO YOU WERE IDENTIFYING AS HISPANIC, AND PREDICTING THE CURRENT "IDENTIFY AS A VICTIM" TREND, WAY BACK IN 1999.
Posted by: BEN ROFLCOPTER at October 09, 2024 02:57 PM (DgGvY)

Hecho en Mexico. Read the label, meatbag.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at October 09, 2024 02:59 PM (DDGz9)

194 Jen "We aren't going back " Rubin 🥥🌴
@JRubinBlogger
·
2h
Five major media fails: 1. Ignoring Trump's mental decline (until the last few weeks of the election). 2. Excess focus on meaningless polls. 3. Failure to engage historians and psychiatrists to provide context for Trump's fascism and narcissism 4. Fixation on more details from Harris, demanding none from Trump 5. Consistent negative/inaccurate portrayal of the economy

Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 02:56 PM

Jen...honey...seek help.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 09, 2024 02:59 PM (ZANHd)

195 Jen Rubin's turning against polls, huh?

I thought they were great for Kamala?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 02:58 PM (GBKbO)

I don't want to see Jen Rubin doing anything with polls.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 02:59 PM (CIS44)

196 Oh shit. What if Cheney also endorses Allred ?

Posted by: Settled Science at October 09, 2024 02:59 PM (9ibOV)

197 Unions should have many years ago become the suppliers of skilled factory labor, much like the trade unions. Sell your members as superior employees for a superior price - resulting in superior financial returns for the business.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 09, 2024 02:59 PM (GZYu7)

198
Democrats two months ago: Build Back!!!

Democrats now: We're Not Going Back!!!

Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 02:59 PM (hmOfI)

199 Breaking up the tech monopolies risks their ability to fully control our lives, and throttle information. Nothing more.
Posted by: LizLem

Or, it hands all tech companies over to unelected bureaucrats and the DemFascies by extension. Either or.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 09, 2024 02:59 PM (IG4Id)

200 198
Democrats two months ago: Build Back!!!

Democrats now: We're Not Going Back!!!
Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 02:59 PM (hmOfI)

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Kamala, yesterday: "Back was great!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:00 PM (GBKbO)

201 Jen "We aren't going back " Rubin 🥥🌴
@JRubinBlogger
·
2h
Five major media fails: 1. Ignoring Trump's mental decline (until the last few weeks of the election). . . .
*

What color do you think the sky is in her world?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024

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A nauseating shade of fuchsia

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 03:00 PM (J2vNu)

202 Oh, I see. I was never into those.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:56 PM (J2vNu)

Nothing like the thrill of spending 300 hours building an R/C kit that cost you $200+ and taking it out to fly, having a radio problem, then watching that bitch auger into the ground at 100 mph.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 03:00 PM (pohLc)

203 It’s like leftist elitists are eating the goose that laid the golden eggs.

Posted by: Eromero at October 09, 2024 03:00 PM (FuCE/)

204 If you are dense enough to be bent over taking it up the ass for 40 years, then you deserve it.

Posted by: Roy at October 09, 2024 03:00 PM (z+ik4)

205 Adam Kinzinger is backing Colin Allred in TX! Game over for Cruz!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 02:58 PM (OkUpf)

Not the 'Zinger! Oh, woe, and alack. Curse this day. Et cetera.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 03:00 PM (DDGz9)

206 Build Brat Better

Posted by: Settled Science at October 09, 2024 03:00 PM (9ibOV)

207 > Tulsi is doing more work than most Republicans, such as nikki haley, who is no help at all.
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Other than a handful of nominal, Trump supporting Republicans the GOP as a whole would rather he lose.

I'll be 4 years of stalemate if Trump wins. Politically speaking. Socially, maybe there'll be some pushback on the alphabet people, maybe. Globally... who knows.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 09, 2024 03:00 PM (Q4IgG)

208 Back and forth... back and forth... oh yeah baby

Posted by: Willie! at October 09, 2024 03:00 PM (Sd6JZ)

209 204 If you are dense enough to be bent over taking it up the ass for 40 years, then you deserve it.
Posted by: Roy at October 09, 2024 03:00 PM (z+ik4)

How do you make a hormone?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 03:01 PM (DDGz9)

210 202 Oh, I see. I was never into those.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:56 PM (J2vNu)

Nothing like the thrill of spending 300 hours building an R/C kit that cost you $200+ and taking it out to fly, having a radio problem, then watching that bitch auger into the ground at 100 mph.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 03:00 PM (pohLc)

Yeah, but if it's not happening to you, the videos are fun to watch.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 09, 2024 03:01 PM (KbCG3)

211 It’s like leftist elitists are eating the goose that laid the golden eggs.
Posted by: Eromero

Well, they've got to eat it before the Haitians show up.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 03:01 PM (v6JzV)

212 We had also blocked shipments of scrap metal and grabbed Japanese assets IIRC too...

Another time trying to use sanctions as a replacement for actual defense or diplomacy backfired big time.
Posted by: Oldcat
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Not really, the Japanese militarists were spoiling for war and had already committed an act of war by attacking the USS Panay. It was simply a question of when. They thoroughly deserved what they got in WWII.

FDR's blatant dislike and bigotry against the Japanese and his identification with the Chinese due to his grandfather led him to believe that Japanese could not fight successfully against the US fleet and B17 bombers which were oversold could be used to curb any moves against US interests in the Far East.

But, no country has the rights to goodies produced by other nations and to attack them if they cannot get them. Whether it is Iraq invading Kuwait, The Chaco War, etc.

Posted by: whig at October 09, 2024 03:01 PM (bt/Nj)

213 Just to add, yes they get huge tips in california at fancy restaurants. When I was waiting tables in the 80s I made I think around $3 an hour on the clock and I probably averaged about $150 in tips in about 5 hours. Sometimes a lot more.

Waitresses can make bank if they are able to turn their tables.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 09, 2024 03:01 PM (LJ9Iy)

214 I don't care for unions so not sure what to think of this.

Posted by: eleven at October 09, 2024 03:01 PM (fV+MH)

215 All I mean is that my mother believed FDR knew the attack was coming and issued no warnings. I was never taught that in school -- *or* that the U.s. military, as you say, was actually on alert for an attack in late '41. My teachers all seemed to subscribe to the idea that the attack came completely out of the blue.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:55 PM (J2vNu)

Partly that was PR after the fact to avoid talking about the actual mis-steps, and then revisionist conspiracy types trying to sell books. But not being candid has its costs.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 03:02 PM (n7h9X)

216 Kamala, yesterday: "Back was great!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:00 PM (GBKbO)

Are we still doing phrasing

Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 03:02 PM (hmOfI)

217 "Alexander Soros posted images at his opulent New York mansion on X with Harris' VP pick, Tim Walz."

And if you didn't see the picture, you should go find it.
Walz looks like every progressive in front of a rich person.
Walz looked subservient to nepo Soros.
It reminded me of Obama bowing to King Saud.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 09, 2024 03:02 PM (qKSAT)

218 195 Identifies as a Bat

"Worthy has stone hands and can't run routes"

Any updates? Statement still operative?

Posted by: mnw at October 09, 2024 03:02 PM (NLIak)

219 Adam Kinzinger is backing Colin Allred in TX! Game over for Cruz!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 02:58 PM (OkUpf)

Not the 'Zinger! Oh, woe, and alack. Curse this day. Et cetera.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 03:00 PM (DDGz9)

I'd compare him to a raspberry Zinger with coconut, but it's an insult to the real Zinger....

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 09, 2024 03:02 PM (VNX3d)

220 207
I'll be 4 years of stalemate if Trump wins. Politically speaking. Socially, maybe there'll be some pushback on the alphabet people, maybe. Globally... who knows.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 09, 2024 03:00 PM (Q4IgG)

======

The Loper ruling gives Trump a massive opening to fundamentally transform the administrative state.

"This function of your department is not explicitly written out in statute. It is rescinded, as are all federal employees whose employment rely on it."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:02 PM (GBKbO)

221
Wacky rubin says "media" but she means "news."
And her bitch is that The Narrative isn't helping her candidate.

In other words, she's saying the Stupid People, such as her readers, need to be waxed over more betterer by the "media" and the "media" is failing her candidate.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 03:02 PM (ISx3p)

222 212 But, no country has the rights to goodies produced by other nations and to attack them if they cannot get them. Whether it is Iraq invading Kuwait, The Chaco War, etc.
Posted by: whig at October 09, 2024 03:01 PM (bt/Nj)

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The Japanese in WWII were outright evil.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:03 PM (GBKbO)

223 14 The money itself isn't the issue. The existence of big donors isn't a problem in and of itself. It's what they expect in return for their donation.

Do you shovel cash at people who want to govern towards sanity, restraint, and economic health? Lovely. Do that.

Do you shovel cash at mannequins and marionettes who shuck and jive about Equity and Justice while the rest of the production crew eviscerates civil society and economic progress? I don't care if it's a billion dollars or twenty bucks, you're a horrible person.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 02:15 PM (DDGz9)

———-

Meh. Money is the issue. The amount of money you “donate” is directly proportional to the oligarchical influence you have.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 09, 2024 03:03 PM (gYHPZ)

224 Satanism, slavery, mutilation, population control, and sex with children. It's what we wants and we aims to get it.

Posted by: Tech Billionaires at October 09, 2024 03:03 PM (DyY8E)

225 216 Kamala, yesterday: "Back was great!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:00 PM (GBKbO)

Are we still doing phrasing
Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 03:02 PM (hmOfI)

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I don't get it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:03 PM (GBKbO)

226 How do you make a hormone?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 03:01 PM (DDGz9)

Don't vote for her

Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 03:03 PM (hmOfI)

227 Other than a handful of nominal, Trump supporting Republicans the GOP as a whole would rather he lose.

I'll be 4 years of stalemate if Trump wins. Politically speaking. Socially, maybe there'll be some pushback on the alphabet people, maybe. Globally... who knows.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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The GOP other than Trump and a few others is brain dead and like Kamala--cannot disclose its real desired policies without being hung in the street on lamposts. MAGA is changing things somewhat but a group of entrenched bloated ticks embedded in elected offices and in the party apparatus/think tanks/etc. are fighting to preserve their grifts while letting the country go to hell.

Posted by: whig at October 09, 2024 03:04 PM (bt/Nj)

228 FDR's blatant dislike and bigotry against the Japanese and his identification with the Chinese due to his grandfather
Posted by: Whig

Who was FDR's grandfather?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 03:04 PM (v6JzV)

229 196 Oh shit. What if Cheney also endorses Allred ?
Posted by: Settled Science at October 09, 2024 02:59 PM (9ibOV)
She will. Allred has the farakan seal of approval, plus the commie guarantee. It’s right there in the name all-Red.

Posted by: Eromero at October 09, 2024 03:04 PM (FuCE/)

230 Since whig alluded to the general topic, highly recommend "Japan 1941" by Eri Hotta on the incredible, catastrophic, bumbling and almost casual way Japan "decided" to go to war with the US. The unique dysfunction and weirdness of their hybrid system at the time is just amazing.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2024 03:04 PM (GcNJ2)

231 Also, I may use all of y’all as references. Keep it g rated. lol.
Posted by: Piper

There is a reference screening for Morons you need to pass first:

1. Ginger or Mary Ann?
2. Onager or Trebuchet?
3. 9mm or .45 ACP?
4.'Taupe or Fawn?
5. What is NZFrank's favorite Aussie beer?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 09, 2024 03:04 PM (elO/o)

232 Who was FDR's grandfather?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 03:04 PM (v6JzV)

Franklin Delano Wong.

Posted by: spindrift at October 09, 2024 03:05 PM (OguvZ)

233
Every statewide race in TX is too close to call. Until election day, when the D gets stomped.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 03:05 PM (OkUpf)

234 "Don't vote for her
Posted by: ... at"

badump tss

Posted by: eleven at October 09, 2024 03:05 PM (fV+MH)

235 SUMMARY OF 300 PM EDT...1900 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...26.6N 83.7W
ABOUT 110 MI...180 KM W OF FT. MYERS FLORIDA
ABOUT 120 MI...195 KM SW OF TAMPA FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...130 MPH...215 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NE OR 35 DEGREES AT 16 MPH...26 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...948 MB...27.99 INCHES
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The 1 PM report had wind speed of 145mph.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 09, 2024 03:05 PM (Qts0j)

236 FDR's blatant dislike and bigotry against the Japanese and his identification with the Chinese due to his grandfather
Posted by: Whig
*
Who was FDR's grandfather?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024

***
One of Teddy's brothers? I'm pretty sure TR and FDR were cousins. But my simple childlike mind cannot comprehend "cousins," let alone first, second, or once removed.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 03:05 PM (J2vNu)

237 233
Every statewide race in TX is too close to call. Until election day, when the D gets stomped.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 03:05 PM (OkUpf)

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I wonder how rich the leaders of the TX Democrat Party are.

They've got to be swimming in the hundreds of millions of dollars Hollywood has thrown at them the past decade, right?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:06 PM (GBKbO)

238 @JRubinBlogger
Five major media fails: 1. Ignoring Trump's mental decline (until the last few weeks of the election). 2. Excess focus on meaningless polls. 3. Failure to engage historians and psychiatrists to provide context for Trump's fascism and narcissism 4. Fixation on more details from Harris, demanding none from Trump 5. Consistent negative/inaccurate portrayal of the economy
Posted by: Piper

I want some of whatever she's smoking, it's the good stuff.
Posted by: CaliGirl

No it's not. That's what you see when you take the brown acid.

Posted by: mikeski at October 09, 2024 03:06 PM (DgGvY)

239 ["Heh" to all three:]

Everybody move to the back of the PCIe bus.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 02:49 PM (DDGz9)

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A user shall come and save us from the Master Control Program.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 02:49 PM (GBKbO)

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And Pixy will be excommunicated for asking inconvenient questions.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:50 PM (J2vNu)

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 09, 2024 03:07 PM (xBsdy)

240 24 Mom? She was the first one who told me that FDR *knew* there was an impending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, and he did nothing to warn anybody -- this was long before the current general wisdom about that.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 02:19 PM (J2vNu)

I recall my mom (1918 - 2016) also saying that almost til' she died. She didn't remember much of anything after about 93 or 94 years old.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at October 09, 2024 03:07 PM (QGaXH)

241

btw, please notice the similarities with Wacky Rubin and bill kristal with their constant stupid "Lists."

These two fuckfaces are literally writing MEMORANDUMS to the ether (whoever will listen) on how to Do Better for the Democrats

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 03:07 PM (ISx3p)

242 Hard Hat Riot 2?

Posted by: hurricane567 at October 09, 2024 03:07 PM (AnDC3)

243 Boeing withdraws contract offer that would have given striking workers 30% raises over four years after talks broke down.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 09, 2024 03:07 PM (CEzQx)

244 241

btw, please notice the similarities with Wacky Rubin and bill kristal with their constant stupid "Lists."

These two fuckfaces are literally writing MEMORANDUMS to the ether (whoever will listen) on how to Do Better for the Democrats
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 09, 2024 03:07 PM (ISx3p)

=======

Of course. The Democrat Party is the conservative party.

It's the party most dedicated to conserving the status quo before Trump.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:07 PM (GBKbO)

245
Milton is weakening in terms of wind speed and central pressure as was forecast, but the sucker is getting wider. Bigger wind field.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at October 09, 2024 03:08 PM (w6EFb)

246 Meh. Money is the issue. The amount of money you “donate” is directly proportional to the oligarchical influence you have.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken

Pretty much. Cloud people at the heights of the ruling class across the West basically have no identification with any country they happen to reside in at the moment and no care in the world what happens to them.

Unless you forcibly nationalize our elites again by stripping their insulation (wealth, power, connections, etc.) to the devastation visited upon the poors that they have wreaked, it will continue until collapse and rebirth of some new type regimes. This is throughout the West. Unfortunately for us, the normal flow of regime change ends up in some sort of despotism. Sometimes, you get anarchic mobocracy before you get a despot, sometimes you get a despot immediately, but a corrupt aristocracy/oligarchy is the worst of all worlds.

Posted by: whig at October 09, 2024 03:08 PM (bt/Nj)

247 TJM I'm wondering if Loper will actually enable a serious attack on the idiotic bloated administrative tyranny, if Trump gets back in. Or, of course, via the courts. This ridiculous EPA thing on meat processing facilities seems like a perfect example of an area where action is needed.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2024 03:08 PM (GcNJ2)

248 63...And NYC. And Chicago. And Philly. And LA. And San Francisco. And Portland. And Seattle.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 09, 2024 02:30 PM (g8Ew

Gary, IN was an early warning, and no one paid attention.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at October 09, 2024 03:08 PM (Rbu5d)

249 Squints eyes with fingers making happy jappy chinee eyes.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 09, 2024 03:08 PM (DwWkT)

250 BabylonBee: Genius: Kamala Announces Plan To Tell Hurricane Milton 'Don't'

Posted by: SMOD at October 09, 2024 03:08 PM (RHGPo)

251 Musk said that Soros is non compos mentis, it's son Alex running the show. Younger - stronger - longer

Posted by: Braenyard at October 09, 2024 03:08 PM (Qts0j)

252 Boeing withdraws contract offer that would have given striking workers 30% raises over four years after talks broke down.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 09, 2024 03:07 PM (CEzQx)

The union isn't buckling on the pension demand.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 03:09 PM (CIS44)

253 Okay, Franklin Roosevelt was a fifth cousin to Theodore. I'm lost.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 03:09 PM (J2vNu)

254 Also, I may use all of y’all as references. Keep it g rated. lol.
Posted by: Piper

* picks up list of Morons and 'Ettes *

* crosses off the non-G-rated ones *

I'm sure FenelonSpoke will give you a good reference.

Posted by: mikeski at October 09, 2024 03:09 PM (DgGvY)

255
1. Ginger or Mary Ann?
2. Onager or Trebuchet?
3. 9mm or .45 ACP?
4.'Taupe or Fawn?
5. What is NZFrank's favorite Aussie beer?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at October

1. I am a girl. I have no strong opinion here.
2. Trebuchet
3. Both
4. Fawn. It’s darker.
5. All of them.

Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 03:09 PM (QzINz)

256 More succinct. The Democrats are pure f*cking evil.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 09, 2024 03:09 PM (L/fGl)

257 One of Teddy's brothers? I'm pretty sure TR and FDR were cousins. But my simple childlike mind cannot comprehend "cousins," let alone first, second, or once removed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

Teddy was Elenore's uncle. Not sure what his relationship with FDR was.

But the grandfather Whig made reference to could have been FDR's mother's, Sarah Delano's father, too.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 03:09 PM (v6JzV)

258 @JRubinBlogger
Five major media fails: 1. Ignoring Trump's mental decline (until the last few weeks of the election). 2. Excess focus on meaningless polls. 3. Failure to engage historians and psychiatrists to provide context for Trump's fascism and narcissism 4. Fixation on more details from Harris, demanding none from Trump 5. Consistent negative/inaccurate portrayal of the economy
Posted by: Piper

I want some of whatever she's smoking, it's the good stuff.
Posted by: CaliGirl

Never forget that WaPo sold her as their "conservative" columnist.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 09, 2024 03:09 PM (xCA6C)

259 What is obvious is the Unions don't feel comfortable. Maybe Bill Gates can shoot them into the atmosphere to fight global warming?

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 09, 2024 03:09 PM (c711F)

260 63 Look at Detroit. That is the Democrat Party's plan for America.
Posted by: Sam Adams at October 09, 2024 02:25 PM (KEWDx)

And NYC. And Chicago. And Philly. And LA. And San Francisco. And Portland. And Seattle.

.. I always wondered if US cities would have gained had they been bombed in WWII

Posted by: SMOD at October 09, 2024 03:10 PM (RHGPo)

261 Bulg,

"Warren Delano Jr. (1809–189

, a grandfather of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and Chief of Operations of Russell & Company, whose business included the opium trade in Canton." From wiki. Reason why FDR went for Asst. Sec. of Navy in WWI from Granpa's China trading stories.

Posted by: whig at October 09, 2024 03:10 PM (bt/Nj)

262
Five Major Jen Rubin Fails:

1.) Oral hygiene
2.) General hygiene
3.) Sartorial choices
4.) Her voice
5.) Her face

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 09, 2024 03:10 PM (awTae)

263 246 Meh. Money is the issue. The amount of money you “donate” is directly proportional to the oligarchical influence you have.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken
----------------------

A thousand years ago one could put a $20. dollar check along with your check to your senator and receive a personal response.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 09, 2024 03:10 PM (Qts0j)

264 4.'Taupe or Fawn?
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What about mauve?

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 09, 2024 03:11 PM (c711F)

265 Not really, the Japanese militarists were spoiling for war and had already committed an act of war by attacking the USS Panay. It was simply a question of when. They thoroughly deserved what they got in WWII.

FDR's blatant dislike and bigotry against the Japanese and his identification with the Chinese due to his grandfather
Posted by: whig at October 09, 2024 03:01 PM (bt/Nj)

Sure they were spoiling for war, they were IN one in 1937 with China. And we let that go, just like we let go the attack on the Liberty by Israel. Crap happens in war zones.

US had great relations with China since missionaries went there en masse pre Boxer rebellion in 1900. FDR was not unique or even notable.

Japan was known to be a reputable power in the region since they beat Russia in 1905 and picked up German colonies in WWI with the allies. The naval limitation treatys we signed gave them superiority in the Pacific with the 5-5-3 build limits. So much for bigotry.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 03:11 PM (n7h9X)

266 The best account of it was by a distinguished Admiral Layton who was the intel chief for Kimmel at the time of the attack. I Was There is an account from his perspective and Layton names names on who was to blame in DC.
Posted by: whig at October 09, 2024 02:55 PM (bt/Nj)

Duskov Popov (per my sources) was a British double agent working for the Abwehr in Portugal, who was directed in 1941 to start a network in the US, and was given a microdot with his objectives for his spies, It was given to the Brits, who passed it to the FBI, and Hoover discounted it, decided to not do double agent networks in the US and told Popov he didn't approve of him

The list on the microdot was about funding, armor, airplane production, and lots of specific questions about Pearl Harbor and the Pacific fleet.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 09, 2024 03:11 PM (D7oie)

267 247 TJM I'm wondering if Loper will actually enable a serious attack on the idiotic bloated administrative tyranny, if Trump gets back in. Or, of course, via the courts. This ridiculous EPA thing on meat processing facilities seems like a perfect example of an area where action is needed.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2024 03:08 PM (GcNJ2)

=========

It really seems obvious to me that it is THE line of attack now, especially from the inside.

Give a mandate to all political appointees to find 25% of that departments regulations that have no explicit authorization in statute within the first 100 days for repeal.

5% per quarter for the rest of the administration.

Even if you don't fire a single bureaucrat, you end up with a mass of people who have nothing to do but sit in rooms with nothing to do. Better than the status quo. Plus, no need to hire new employees for a long time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:11 PM (GBKbO)

268 BabylonBee: Genius: Kamala Announces Plan To Tell Hurricane Milton 'Don't'
Posted by: SMOD

Pat Robertson has entered the chat.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 03:11 PM (v6JzV)

269 251 Musk said that Soros is non compos mentis, it's son Alex running the show. Younger - stronger - longer
Posted by: Braenyard
=========
Supposedly gayer. Huma is an experienced beard and Muslim Brotherhood agent of influence and she is linked up with Alex now.

Posted by: whig at October 09, 2024 03:11 PM (bt/Nj)

270 I recall my mom (1918 - 2016) also saying that almost til' she died. She didn't remember much of anything after about 93 or 94 years old.
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at October 09, 2024

***
Mine was 1916-1986. I wonder where she picked up the idea -- from the newspapers (which I'll bet were devoted to covering for FDR), or gossip and conversation, or what.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 03:11 PM (J2vNu)

271 Franklin Delano Wong.
Posted by: spindrift

Two Wongs don't make a Wright.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 09, 2024 03:11 PM (F1Yq3)

272 254 207 > Tulsi is doing more work than most Republicans, such as nikki haley, who is no help at all.
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Other than a handful of nominal, Trump supporting Republicans the GOP as a whole would rather he lose.

__________

Those wanna-lose Republicans may find that this was the last authentic election. That is, you're toast.

The NTers, specifically, will be toast. I think the GOP is poised to become much stronger now that we're finally purging the uniparty types.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 09, 2024 03:11 PM (xCA6C)

273 272 The NTers, specifically, will be toast. I think the GOP is poised to become much stronger now that we're finally purging the uniparty types.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 09, 2024 03:11 PM (xCA6C)

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Their hold of the Senate is much tighter than Mitch McConnell. There's still a long way to go.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:12 PM (GBKbO)

274 Most of my Jewish friends are scarily smart.
What's the problem with @JRubinBlogger ?

Posted by: SMOD at October 09, 2024 03:12 PM (RHGPo)

275 But, no country has the rights to goodies produced by other nations and to attack them if they cannot get them. Whether it is Iraq invading Kuwait, The Chaco War, etc.
Posted by: whig at October 09, 2024 03:01 PM (bt/Nj)

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The Japanese in WWII were outright evil.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:03 PM (GBKbO)M

Yup. Even the Germans were horrified by what went on in Nanking.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 09, 2024 03:12 PM (g8Ew8)

276 'Taupe or Fawn?
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What about mauve?
Posted by: Pudinhead

Ecru.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 09, 2024 03:13 PM (F1Yq3)

277 I guess Piper was right. 9mm or .45? Both.

Ned Ryun
@nedryun
Seriously ⁦@UnivOfKansas⁩? You’re letting this be said in your classrooms? That men who won’t vote for Kamala Harris for President should be lined up and shot?? ⁦@RogerMarshallMD⁩ ⁦@JerryMoran

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 09, 2024 03:13 PM (L/fGl)

278 276 'Taupe or Fawn?
--------------
What about mauve?
Posted by: Pudinhead

Ecru.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 09, 2024 03:13 PM (F1Yq3

Beige

Posted by: It's me donna at October 09, 2024 03:13 PM (IyPmt)

279 I am looking for an inside track where I can skirt all the bs and just get the doggie. Networking, if you will!
Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 02:52 PM (pRpzT)

I would not be surprised if hundreds of other folks were seeking to adopt that doggie.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 09, 2024 03:13 PM (XSZRj)

280
Their hold of the Senate is much tighter than Mitch McConnell. There's still a long way to go.

Yeah, that's true, but if they know what's good for them, they'll play ball.
*index finger to side of nose*

Posted by: Archimedes at October 09, 2024 03:13 PM (xCA6C)

281 "Warren Delano Jr. (1809–189, a grandfather of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and Chief of Operations of Russell & Company, whose business included the opium trade in Canton." From wiki. Reason why FDR went for Asst. Sec. of Navy in WWI from Granpa's China trading stories.

Posted by: whig

Thank you, Sir. I figured it was his maternal grandfather, since I knew of no connection between the Roosevelts and China.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 03:13 PM (v6JzV)

282 Five Major Jen Rubin Fails:

1.) Oral hygiene
2.) General hygiene
3.) Sartorial choices
4.) Her voice
5.) Her face
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 09, 2024 03:10 PM (awTae)

Agree. My list would have "Her Face" as number 1. She is a nasty, evil, stupid, and fugly "woman".

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 09, 2024 03:14 PM (6PUpl)

283 Posted by: mikeski at October 09, 2024 03:09 PM (DgGvY)

I would, because Piper is a kindly, hard working person who cares about people, and I'm guessing pets as well.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 09, 2024 03:14 PM (MQJVv)

284 Most of my Jewish friends are scarily smart.
What's the problem with @JRubinBlogger ?
Posted by: SMOD at October 09, 2024 03:12 PM (RHGPo)
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That she's not you friend?

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 09, 2024 03:14 PM (QrtBZ)

285 While there may be administrative openings for Trump and/or his administration to "do things" he/they will have to prepare to fight for it. Some sort of bullshit proclamation, even an EO isn't going to budge some of the embedded ticks.

I honestly think armed agents of change will have to be dispatched to some of the more recalcitrant agencies.

Whether Trump has the balls to sic his people on his opponents as the Democrats did to him is debatable.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 09, 2024 03:14 PM (Q4IgG)

286 The Japs in WW2 were beyond evil. Beyond unspeakable. Beyond horror movie unspeakable. Beyond verbal description unspeakable.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 03:14 PM (pohLc)

287 .. I always wondered if US cities would have gained had they been bombed in WWII
Posted by: SMOD at October 09, 2024 03:10 PM (RHGPo)

I tried to plot out an alternate history where the IJN decided instead of taking Adak and Kiska to take Astoria and Portland to destroy the Kaiser shipyards.

"The naval battle of Scappoose" has a nice ring to it.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 09, 2024 03:14 PM (D7oie)

288

The IDF’s 36th Division is conducting limited, localized, targeted raids against key Hezbollah terrorist targets in southern Lebanon that pose a threat to Israeli communities in northern Israel. During the operations so far, the troops have eliminated numerous terrorists, destroyed underground infrastructure, and dismantled over 500 operational enemy infrastructure and combat compounds, including weapons storage facilities.

Over many years, the Hezbollah terrorist organization has cynically exploited the “Green Without Borders” (GWB) environmental NGO as a front for its military activities in southern Lebanon. Hezbollah dug tunnels, stored weapons, and built military observation posts inside GWB facilities located near the border with Israeli communities. During the operations of the 36th Division, the troops countered these threats, conducted targeted raids on these Hezbollah military assets, and destroyed the weapons and underground infrastructure.

Posted by: SMOD at October 09, 2024 03:15 PM (RHGPo)

289 Duskov Popov (per my sources) was a British double agent working for the Abwehr in Portugal, who was directed in 1941 to start a network in the US, and was given a microdot with his objectives for his spies, It was given to the Brits, who passed it to the FBI, and Hoover discounted it, decided to not do double agent networks in the US and told Popov he didn't approve of him

The list on the microdot was about funding, armor, airplane production, and lots of specific questions about Pearl Harbor and the Pacific fleet.
Posted by: Kindltot
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Minor caveat and possibly a difference in sources.
Brit sources claimed Popov was actually a triple agent if you go by Stephenson's account (Agent Called Intrepid) and also by the Secret War history by Anthony Caven Brown--Bodyguard of Lies. No disagreement on the content of the seeking.

The Brits also had penetrated the Italians and had info about the Japanese Military attache seeking information about the successful British carrier attack on the Italian Fleet in Taranto.

Posted by: whig at October 09, 2024 03:15 PM (bt/Nj)

290 275 The Japanese in WWII were outright evil.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:03 PM (GBKbO)M

Yup. Even the Germans were horrified by what went on in Nanking.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 09, 2024 03:12 PM (g8Ew

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Highly recommended film touching on this:

Ishiro Honda's film Farewell Rabaul.

https://archive.org/details/
farewell-rabaul-1954-eng-sub

A Japanese naval aviator has to deal with his country's impending loss in the Pacific War while also confronting the military policies (namely the advent of kamikaze flights) that do nothing but degrade human life.

Japan's self-reflection over the decade after the war is interesting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:15 PM (GBKbO)

291 Nope.

And here's another crowd that'll drive us into the ground pay and benefit wise - the CWA. (Always all in with the Working Families Party.) For ex:

CWA Local 1123 Workers Host Rally to Demand Livable Wages at eBay/TCGplayer
October 3, 2024
Syracuse, N.Y. – Today, over 60 CWA Local 1123 members were joined by elected officials, Citizen Action of NY, and the NY Working Families Party in Syracuse, N.Y., for a rally in Columbus Circle Park to demand that eBay and subsidiary TCGplayer bargain in good faith and agree to reasonable contract terms, including meaningful wage increases.

The rally also coincided with the launch of CWA Local 1123-TCGunion’s “Tapped Out at TCGplayer” report, which provides shocking evidence that workers at the profitable tech giant eBay are struggling to make ends meet financially. While eBay continues to tout a net worth of $31 billion, ... " Much more followed.
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>WH Fact Sheet, Biden-⁠Harris Administration Announces Over One Million Pensions Protected Thanks to the American Rescue Plan, June 2024.

Massive bailouts & they love FJB. PDT gets back in, they'll start their crap 'demanding' (Bernie's guys) & striking for them & theirs.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at October 09, 2024 03:15 PM (NFX2v)

292 Jen Rubin is a prime example of why closing down the loony bins was a mistake. She needs to be somewhere away from away from society.

Preferably in a poorly supervised institution with brutal orderlies and quack doctors who love electroshock therapy way too much.

But as long as she's in a padded cell, that's fine.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 09, 2024 03:15 PM (awTae)

293 271 Franklin Delano Wong.
Posted by: spindrift

Two Wongs don't make a Wright.

I had about seven huner fitty wongs til the feds took em

Posted by: Puff at October 09, 2024 03:15 PM (HcoTw)

294 280
Their hold of the Senate is much tighter than Mitch McConnell. There's still a long way to go.

Yeah, that's true, but if they know what's good for them, they'll play ball.
*index finger to side of nose*
Posted by: Archimedes at October 09, 2024 03:13 PM (xCA6C)

=======

They know that they will outlast Trump's presidency.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:16 PM (GBKbO)

295 Hurricane wind speed is a factor; 100 is getting there, 120 will definitely move stuff around, 145 is rough.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 09, 2024 03:16 PM (Qts0j)

296 CNN’s Jennings: Kamala’s Attack on Desantis Was a ‘Big Campaign Mistake’

Posted by: SMOD at October 09, 2024 03:16 PM (RHGPo)

297
Sorry to be a contrarian, but PH has been endless masticated for 80+ years. There's no evidence that FDR encouraged the attack. Like Marshall and Stark would have stood by while their men were killed.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 03:16 PM (OkUpf)

298 I tried to plot out an alternate history where the IJN decided instead of taking Adak and Kiska to take Astoria and Portland to destroy the Kaiser shipyards.
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Astoria is full of drugged out fishermen and Portland is full of hippies.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 09, 2024 03:17 PM (c711F)

299 Okay, Franklin Roosevelt was a fifth cousin to Theodore. I'm lost.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius,

It means that their great-great-grandfathers were siblings.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 03:17 PM (v6JzV)

300 The Japs in WW2 were beyond evil.

Ain't much changed - they've still got that in themselves.

Posted by: Taking Notes at October 09, 2024 03:17 PM (9E3z6)

301 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 09, 2024 03:13 PM (L/fGl)

Apparently they put him on leave of absence, and he stupidly said, "I was just trying to advocate for women."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 09, 2024 03:17 PM (MQJVv)

302 Breaking911 @Breaking911 16m
‘LINE ALL THOSE GUYS UP AND SHOOT 'EM’: Kansas professor "on leave" after calling to execute men who don't vote for Kamala Harris

"His intent was to emphasize his advocacy for women’s rights," the university said.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 09, 2024 03:18 PM (CEzQx)

303 They're not the party of the working class.

Welcome to Equity in your Democracy.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at October 09, 2024 03:18 PM (NFX2v)

304 Brit sources claimed Popov was actually a triple agent

That would get confusing.

Posted by: spindrift at October 09, 2024 03:18 PM (OguvZ)

305 WRT the Pearl Harbor attack, it was actually fortuitous that the fleet didn't sortie just prior to the attack because the loss of life losing those battleships in blue water would have been far higher than losing them in port.

Just my unsolicited opinion.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at October 09, 2024 03:19 PM (J0r3x)

306 Thank you, Sir. I figured it was his maternal grandfather, since I knew of no connection between the Roosevelts and China.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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As distasteful as I find FDR, I've read a few biographies of him and accounts by his cronies. Justice Robert Jackson's book is particularly to be recommended with his account of his friendship with FDR from NY politics until Robert became a Scotus judge.

Delano and his tales of trading on the high seas intrigued FDR and led him to read Mahan's work and involve himself in naval matters. FDR was annoyed that Churchill did not remember meeting FDR when he was Asst. Secretary of the Navy during WWI and during Churchill's term as Lord of the Admiralty.

Posted by: whig at October 09, 2024 03:19 PM (bt/Nj)

307 Breaking911 @Breaking911 16m
‘LINE ALL THOSE GUYS UP AND SHOOT 'EM’: Kansas professor "on leave" after calling to execute men who don't vote for Kamala Harris

"His intent was to emphasize his advocacy for women’s rights," the university said.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 09, 2024 03:18 PM (CEzQx)

that's certainly a . . . take

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 03:19 PM (CIS44)

308 226 How do you make a hormone?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 09, 2024 03:01 PM (DDGz9)

Don't vote for her
Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 03:03 PM (hmOfI)

I guffawed at this.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 09, 2024 03:19 PM (LJ9Iy)

309 Just because some democrats don't like her, Lina Khan has been a disaster for economic freedom. She was a typically awful appointment by Biden. Par for the course.

Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at October 09, 2024 03:19 PM (P7Iz+)

310 304 Brit sources claimed Popov was actually a triple agent

That would get confusing.
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Decent Vodka, though.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 09, 2024 03:19 PM (c711F)

311 Their hold of the Senate is much tighter than Mitch McConnell. There's still a long way to go.

Yeah, that's true, but if they know what's good for them, they'll play ball.
*index finger to side of nose*
Posted by: Archimedes at October 09, 2024 03:13 PM (xCA6C)

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They know that they will outlast Trump's presidency.

And?

Posted by: President DeSantis or President Vance at October 09, 2024 03:19 PM (xCA6C)

312 Whenever Rubin does a cable news hit, I think that if I didn't know who she was, I'd assume that the showrunner had a last minute cancellation, found a bag lady in the alley, hosed her off on the lot, and sent her off to wardrobe, who dressed her in clothes they don't plan to reuse.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 09, 2024 03:19 PM (awTae)

313 Alex Soros definitely emerged from the shallow end.

Posted by: The gene pool at October 09, 2024 03:19 PM (omU9l)

314 "His intent was to emphasize his advocacy for women’s rights," the university said.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 09, 2024 03:18 PM (CEzQx)

👀

Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 03:20 PM (hmOfI)

315 "His intent was to emphasize his advocacy for women’s rights," the university said.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 09, 2024 03:18 PM (CEzQx)

Translation : abortion

Posted by: It's me donna at October 09, 2024 03:20 PM (IyPmt)

316 One of Teddy's brothers? I'm pretty sure TR and FDR were cousins. But my simple childlike mind cannot comprehend "cousins," let alone first, second, or once removed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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On a family tree, first, second, third, cousins are lateral (horizontal) moves. First, second, etc. removed are vertical moves, i.e., the children of first, second, etc. cousins.

So one of your parent's siblings is your uncle/aunt, their child(ren) is/are your first cousins, their children are your first cousins once removed (i.e., one generation removed).

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 09, 2024 03:20 PM (YqDXo)

317 Since whig alluded to the general topic, highly recommend "Japan 1941" by Eri Hotta on the incredible, catastrophic, bumbling and almost casual way Japan "decided" to go to war with the US. The unique dysfunction and weirdness of their hybrid system at the time is just amazing.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 09, 2024 03:04 PM (GcNJ2)

It would have been an interesting political gambit if Japan had ignored PI and PH and just struck south to the resources and Singapore.

The US was kinda sorta in the War in the Atlantic on the downlow, and there was sympathy for China but it might have made it difficult to vault into war without any attack on US forces. And if the US had declared war, having to defend the PI or supply it would have been extremely difficult. Our war plan at the time was to let them fall, but if they weren't fallen and you didn't support them you look awful.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 03:20 PM (n7h9X)

318 311 They know that they will outlast Trump's presidency.

And?
Posted by: President DeSantis or President Vance at October 09, 2024 03:19 PM (xCA6C)

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It's up in the air if anyone can take the Trumpian mantle from Trump, even if Trump offers it to them.

After Reagan, we got Bush. After Bush, we got Dole. After Dole, we got W.

There's plenty of time for the GOP to steadily erode the gains the base has made. All it takes could be no more than allowing one establishment tool to make the right noises on immigration.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:21 PM (GBKbO)

319 Will somebody please let Jen Rubin know that they now sell models that can be charged with your phone charger, so there's really no excuse to be cranky about running out of AA's or D'sor whatever isn't in the drawer.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 09, 2024 03:21 PM (Fb3Ba)

320 Horde mind

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 09, 2024 03:21 PM (CEzQx)

321 "His intent was to emphasize his advocacy for women’s rights," the university said.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 09, 2024 03:18 PM (CEzQx)

Ah, he misspoke. Just a little misunderstanding. Sometimes he doesn't use quite the right word. He's not a thesaurus, after all.

Posted by: spindrift at October 09, 2024 03:21 PM (OguvZ)

322 The Loper ruling gives Trump a massive opening to fundamentally transform the administrative state.

"This function of your department is not explicitly written out in statute. It is rescinded, as are all federal employees whose employment rely on it."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 09, 2024 03:02 PM (GBKbO)

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Elon Musk for Loper as well as Truth & Reconciliations Czar!

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 09, 2024 03:21 PM (bxDDB)

323 "His intent was to emphasize his advocacy for women’s rights," the university said.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 09, 2024 03:18 PM (CEzQx)

Translation : abortion
Posted by: It's me donna at October 09, 2024 03:20 PM (IyPmt)

And certainly NOT meaning the right to not have creepy men in your gym locker room or having to share rooms in hotels for women's sports.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 03:21 PM (n7h9X)

324 Speaking of taking people out to be shot . . .

"Trans Families for Harris" supporter says he is proud that his son started to identify as a girl thanks to SECOND GRADE teacher

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You'll need two rounds.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 09, 2024 03:21 PM (L/fGl)

325 283 Posted by: mikeski at October 09, 2024 03:09 PM (DgGvY)

I would, because Piper is a kindly, hard working person who cares about people, and I'm guessing pets as well.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October

Awwww! And yes, my kitties are amazingly spoiled.

Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 03:22 PM (QzINz)

326 233
Every statewide race in TX is too close to call. Until election day, when the D gets stomped.

@Hadrian the Seventh,

The voting machines in Dallas just failed all of their validation testing. Gave completely inaccurate tabulation results. Can't get anyone here to care, from the GOP to local media.

Posted by: Sam Adams at October 09, 2024 03:22 PM (KEWDx)

327 Ah, he misspoke. Just a little misunderstanding. Sometimes he doesn't use quite the right word. He's not a thesaurus, after all.
Posted by: spindrift at October 09, 2024 03:21 PM (OguvZ)

Maybe he's just a knucklehead sometimes.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 09, 2024 03:22 PM (CIS44)

328 Think of how hard you believed in "Republicans" during the Bush, McCain and Romney Years.

You're welcome.

Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 03:22 PM (hmOfI)

329 > Whenever Rubin does a cable news hit, I think that if I didn't know who she was, I'd assume that the showrunner had a last minute cancellation, found a bag lady in the alley, hosed her off on the lot, and sent her off to wardrobe, who dressed her in clothes they don't plan to reuse.
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LOL

There are any number of individuals that fit that description.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 09, 2024 03:22 PM (Q4IgG)

330 It means that their great-great-grandfathers were siblings.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Sorry, that shoulda been three "great"s

Their great-great-great-grandfathers were siblings.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 03:22 PM (v6JzV)

331
WRT the Pearl Harbor attack, it was actually fortuitous that the fleet didn't sortie just prior to the attack because the loss of life losing those battleships in blue water would have been far higher than losing them in port.

Just my unsolicited opinion.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above!

___________

It played out in about the least bad way.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 03:23 PM (OkUpf)

332 "Trans Families for Harris" supporter says he is proud that his son started to identify as a girl thanks to SECOND GRADE teacher.

There is no reasoning with them. Absolutely none.

Posted by: Taking Notes at October 09, 2024 03:23 PM (9E3z6)

333 Leftards prove that child sacrifice is still a thing.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 03:23 PM (pohLc)

334 304 Brit sources claimed Popov was actually a triple agent

That would get confusing.
Posted by: spindrift
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Brit intel were a slippery bunch. Operation Triple Cross was stolen by H. Beam Piper in one of his Future History Stories but it was a real op during WWII by the Brits.

The Brits relied upon their Empire based knowledge and the accumulation of trade secrets via insurance, finance, news media, etc. to create a disinfo machine that the US and USSR were eager to learn. Brown's Bodyguard of Lies is a compelling story how an outmatched British government used intel and intercepts to lead German intel in crucial mistakes in evaluation of information.

It is also a reminder that what IC ops that governments do and develop those practices in wartime will always then be turned upon civilians when peacetime arrives.

Posted by: whig at October 09, 2024 03:23 PM (bt/Nj)

335 Elon Musk for Loper as well as Truth & Reconciliations Czar!

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I'm more into Truth & Retribution.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 09, 2024 03:23 PM (L/fGl)

336 WRT the Pearl Harbor attack, it was actually fortuitous that the fleet didn't sortie just prior to the attack because the loss of life losing those battleships in blue water would have been far higher than losing them in port.

Just my unsolicited opinion.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at October 09, 2024 03:19 PM (J0r3x)

The Japanese messed up by not attacking the fuel depot at Pearl. Murphy is the King of battle, Logistics is the Queen.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 09, 2024 03:23 PM (6PUpl)

337 I would, because Piper is a kindly, hard working person who cares about people, and I'm guessing pets as well.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Not for nothing but kindly is a word used almost exclusively to describe the elderly.

Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 03:24 PM (hmOfI)

338 Alex Soros definitely emerged from the shallow end.
Posted by: The gene pool at October 09, 2024 03:19 PM (omU9l)

Spoiled rich kid raised by an evil dad. He can do a lot of damage.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 09, 2024 03:24 PM (g8Ew8)

339 My puppy is going viral. I am thinking my chances of adopting him are slim to none.

Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 03:24 PM (QzINz)

340
I would, because Piper is a kindly, hard working person who cares about people, and I'm guessing pets as well.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

And the Pawnee are not noted dog eaters.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 09, 2024 03:25 PM (qKSAT)

341 On a family tree, first, second, third, cousins are lateral (horizontal) moves. First, second, etc. removed are vertical moves, i.e., the children of first, second, etc. cousins.

So one of your parent's siblings is your uncle/aunt, their child(ren) is/are your first cousins, their children are your first cousins once removed (i.e., one generation removed).
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 09, 2024

***
All the genealogy stuff Miss Linda has been digging up about her family and mine, she tells me about something on Monday and by Wednesday I'm going, "Who was that again?"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 03:25 PM (J2vNu)

342 The Japanese messed up by not attacking the fuel depot at Pearl. Murphy is the King of battle, Logistics is the Queen.
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 09, 2024 03:23 PM (6PUpl)

Truth. BIG mistake.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 09, 2024 03:25 PM (g8Ew8)

343 Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 03:24 PM (hmOfI)

That wouldn't be why I used it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 09, 2024 03:25 PM (MQJVv)

344
It would have been an interesting political gambit if Japan had ignored PI and PH and just struck south to the resources and Singapore.

_________

They decided they didn't want the enemy on their flank. Not like there was much we could do. The Asiatic Fleet was small and the Pacific Fleet didn't have the requisite support (oilers, etc.).

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 03:26 PM (OkUpf)

345 > Spoiled rich kid raised by an evil dad. He can do a lot of damage.
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Find out what his hobbies are.
Infiltrate.
Sabotage.
Profit.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 09, 2024 03:26 PM (Q4IgG)

346 The tank farms at Pearl should have been the primary target. No fuel, no sorties. Stupid.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 03:26 PM (pohLc)

347 Breaking911 @Breaking911 16m
‘LINE ALL THOSE GUYS UP AND SHOOT 'EM’: Kansas professor "on leave" after calling to execute men who don't vote for Kamala Harris

"His intent was to emphasize his advocacy for women’s rights," the university said.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 09, 2024 03:18 PM (CEzQx)

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But how are you going to keep the abortion mills running if we murder all the men?

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 09, 2024 03:27 PM (JzerJ)

348 So how did this become a thread on Pearl Harbor ?

Posted by: It's me donna at October 09, 2024 03:27 PM (IyPmt)

349 They're a dirty vile bunch.

Posted by: Mike Johnson at October 09, 2024 03:27 PM (/U5Yz)

350 Teddy Roosevelt's idea of promoting wealth expansion was called 'westering' because he wanted to develop trade with China and the Philippines. Slave labor was quite abundant in that regard.

Posted by: DanMan at October 09, 2024 03:27 PM (8uzBS)

351 ***Flaming Skull***

Troy Aikman says Tay-Tay & Travis are engaged to be married!

I guess their respective lawyers must've finally agreed to the 3300-page pre-nup.

Posted by: K.C. Wolf (mnw) at October 09, 2024 03:28 PM (NLIak)

352 ... an outmatched British government used intel and intercepts to lead German intel in crucial mistakes in evaluation of information.
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Like that tricky Netanyahu!

Joel Pollak @joelpollak 1h
There is a report on social media that Israel has flipped the script on Hamas/Hezbollah. Hezbollah demanded a ceasefire in Gaza (without all hostages) as a condition for ending attacks. Now Israel says it will not stop attacking Hezbollah until Hamas releases all of the hostages.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 09, 2024 03:28 PM (CEzQx)

353 The Japanese messed up by not attacking the fuel depot at Pearl. Murphy is the King of battle, Logistics is the Queen.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 09, 2024 03:23 PM (6PUpl)

Agreed. Losing the fuel depots would probably have caused the fleet to withdraw to bases on the West Coast. Nagumo received much criticism for his his seeming lack of aggressiveness. If memory serves, he was not a big proponent of Yamamoto's PH solution.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at October 09, 2024 03:28 PM (J0r3x)

354 The US was kinda sorta in the War in the Atlantic on the downlow, and there was sympathy for China but it might have made it difficult to vault into war without any attack on US forces. And if the US had declared war, having to defend the PI or supply it would have been extremely difficult. Our war plan at the time was to let them fall, but if they weren't fallen and you didn't support them you look awful.
Posted by: Oldcat

Both the Japanese and the Germans were manipulated into doing destructive actions by their own hubris and anger. The leak of the Rainbow warplans on Dec. 4th to the Chicago Tribune is described thusly
"Blazoned in huge black letters across page one of the December 4, 1941, issue of the Chicago Tribune was the headline: F.D.R.’S WAR PLANS! In both papers Chesly Manly, the Tribune's Washington correspondent, revealed what President Franklin D. Roosevelt had repeatedly denied: that he was planning to lead the United States into war against Germany. The source of the reporter’s information was no less than a verbatim copy of Rainbow Five, the top-secret war plan drawn up at FDR’s order by the Joint Board of the Army and Navy." From American Heritage.

Posted by: whig at October 09, 2024 03:28 PM (bt/Nj)

355 So how did this become a thread on Pearl Harbor ?
Posted by: It's me donna at October 09, 2024

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Prolly it was me. I wondered how my parents voted, and mentioned FDR, and there we were.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 03:29 PM (J2vNu)

356 So how did this become a thread on Pearl Harbor ?

Posted by: It's me donna at October 09, 2024 03:27 PM (IyPmt)

The Hotde meanders to the rhythm of its own bagpipes.

Posted by: pookysgirl's son enjoys Scotland The Brave at October 09, 2024 03:29 PM (dtlDP)

357 Prolly it was me. I wondered how my parents voted, and mentioned FDR, and there we were.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 03:29 PM (J2vNu)

LOL

Posted by: It's me donna at October 09, 2024 03:29 PM (IyPmt)

358 Maybe O'Brian can get the rank and file around the country to man the polling places to ensure a free and fair election results.

Posted by: JTSmith at October 09, 2024 03:29 PM (1wsv4)

359 348 So how did this become a thread on Pearl Harbor ?
Posted by: It's me donna at October 09, 2024 03:27 PM (IyPmt)

Sorry, Demi Lovato has enormous TA TA's, domchathink?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 09, 2024 03:29 PM (pohLc)

360 My puppy is going viral. I am thinking my chances of adopting him are slim to none.
Posted by: Piper at October 09, 2024 03:24 PM (QzINz)

I wonder if they got the dog free without him biting anyone. He sounded understandably pretty angry in that short clip.

Posted by: spindrift at October 09, 2024 03:30 PM (OguvZ)

361 >Teamsters President: The Democrat Party Is No Longer the Party of the Working Class.

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they figured it out, huh

Posted by: Don Black at October 09, 2024 03:30 PM (/7KEl)

362 Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 09, 2024 03:27 PM (JzerJ)

I read some radical feminist handbook from the 70's and in earnest the plan was to kill most men, and keep the rest as slaves for procreation. And all these women were going to have hot tub parties every night in these giant mansions and all I could think is who is going to build and maintain all these hot tubs and mansions.

Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 03:30 PM (hmOfI)

363 Posted by: pookysgirl's son enjoys Scotland The Brave

Kid's already got good taste.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 03:30 PM (v6JzV)

364 nood

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 09, 2024 03:30 PM (CEzQx)

365
So how did this become a thread on Pearl Harbor ?
Posted by: It's me donna at October 09, 2024 03:27 PM (IyPmt)

________

It's either Pearl Harbor or Hiroshima. Or boobs.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 09, 2024 03:30 PM (OkUpf)

366 The Dems have not been the party of working people since Obama at the very least. Their transformation was well under way under Clinton, who embraced NAFTA like a chubby intern. But then there were still vestiges, like his FDA's hostility to Big Pharma. That's all gone now.

The problem is that the GOP isn't really any better. Both parties' message to ordinary folks is "drop dead."

Posted by: Trump's Success Has Been Due To His Populism at October 09, 2024 03:30 PM (YtQZg)

367 I wonder if they got the dog free without him biting anyone. He sounded understandably pretty angry in that short clip.
Posted by: spindrift at October 09, 2024 03:30 PM (OguvZ)

I hate to say it but they didn't show it being rescued and it was growling.. I hope they didn't shoot it

Posted by: It's me donna at October 09, 2024 03:30 PM (IyPmt)

368 So how did this become a thread on Pearl Harbor ?
Posted by: It's me donna at October 09, 2024 03:27 PM (IyPmt)

Yeah what happened to boobs.

Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 03:31 PM (hmOfI)

369 I wonder if they got the dog free without him biting anyone. He sounded understandably pretty angry in that short clip.
Posted by: spindrift at October 09, 2024

***
He looked like a pitbull mix.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 03:31 PM (J2vNu)

370 My puppy is going viral. I am thinking my chances of adopting him are slim to none.
Posted by: Piper

Obama could probably outbid you.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 09, 2024 03:31 PM (v6JzV)

371 CNN, Meet Harold Daggett, the colorful and controversial union boss leading the port strike, Oct 3, 2024

And his gripe with Europe:

“Who’s the greedy ones here? These companies over in Europe, they don’t give a f*** about us,” he told members on the picket line after the start of the strike early Tuesday, referring to foreign-owned shipping lines on the opposing side.

“We’re going to show them, they’re going to have to give a f*** about us, because nothing is going to move without us!” he said to cheers. “We’re going to win this f***ing thing. Trust me. They can’t survive too long. We’re going to get what the f*** we deserve.”
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And how do you fix that once the costs hit main street, WalMart, Target, etc.?

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at October 09, 2024 03:31 PM (NFX2v)

372 Noodus dem panic

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 03:32 PM (J2vNu)

373 Shattered Sword by Parshall and Tully does a pretty good analysis of Japanese planning leading up to the attack, if memory serves.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at October 09, 2024 03:32 PM (J0r3x)

374 Kate Beckinsale was in the movie Pearl Harbor

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 09, 2024 03:32 PM (YAxvO)

375 Chairborne!...Desk From Above!

There is an Operational Research book on this.: Attack on Pearl Harbor: Strategy, Combat, Myths, Deceptions by Alan Zimm.

He is a good analyst, and his conclusion is the fleet at sea would have been OK after attack.

But he is wrong on that point. He discounts weak stuffing tube maintenance. That would have sunk, in deep water, many more ships.

FWIW, Zimm was a hydrofoil naval officer, not DCA of a destroyer, like me.

We got very lucky at Pearl Harbor, but not as lucky as if the attach was the weekend before, when there was a defense exercise, and we were really ready.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 09, 2024 03:32 PM (u82oZ)

376 On a family tree, first, second, third, cousins are lateral (horizontal) moves. First, second, etc. removed are vertical moves, i.e., the children of first, second, etc. cousins.

So one of your parent's siblings is your uncle/aunt, their child(ren) is/are your first cousins, their children are your first cousins once removed (i.e., one generation removed).
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 09, 2024

***
All the genealogy stuff Miss Linda has been digging up about her family and mine, she tells me about something on Monday and by Wednesday I'm going, "Who was that again?"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 09, 2024 03:25 PM (J2vNu)
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Just trying to help. I finally figured out all that stuff.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 09, 2024 03:32 PM (YqDXo)

377 Not for nothing but kindly is a word used almost exclusively to describe the elderly.

Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 03:24 PM (hmOfI)

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Ouch.

I imagine that Piper is also an artist with a shiv. lol

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 09, 2024 03:32 PM (JzerJ)

378 I read some radical feminist handbook from the 70's and in earnest the plan was to kill most men, and keep the rest as slaves for procreation. And all these women were going to have hot tub parties every night in these giant mansions and all I could think is who is going to build and maintain all these hot tubs and mansions.
Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 03:30 PM (hmOfI)

Dykes on Bikes.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 09, 2024 03:32 PM (g8Ew8)

379 332 "Trans Families for Harris" supporter says he is proud that his son started to identify as a girl thanks to SECOND GRADE teacher.

There is no reasoning with them. Absolutely none.
Posted by: Taking Notes at October 09, 2024 03:23 PM (9E3z6)

Really scary part of this is the amount of clout we give to teachers. If a student does not parrot whatever the Teacher says, they fail... so we indoctrinate our children from a very young age that what a Teacher says, must therefore be truth...

But there is also no one looking over Teachers shoulders, except a few Parents who pay attention... and as one of those Parents who buted heads with Teachers on more than one occasion, the entire school systems power will be used against you... they WILL support the Teacher, because to do anything otherwise would diminish their own power.

Most Teachers are good... but even ONE poor teacher out of the more than 40 kids will have in Public school... can cause a disaster.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 09, 2024 03:33 PM (QAkQ3)

380 Piper- maybe contact them through X.

FLHSMV
@FLHSMV
Update: The dog rescued by
@FHPTampa
is safe and receiving care. Troopers brought him to a vet, where he was examined for injuries and received a clean bill of health.

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Posted by: redridinghood at October 09, 2024 03:33 PM (NpAcC)

381 WRT the Pearl Harbor attack, it was actually fortuitous that the fleet didn't sortie just prior to the attack because the loss of life losing those battleships in blue water would have been far higher than losing them in port.

Just my unsolicited opinion.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at October 09, 2024 03:19 PM (J0r3x)

There is a good book on the myths of Pearl Harbor. This is another another myth. On Dec 7 in port the battleships had their watertight compartments open and hoses and hatches open for work. This led to the torpedoed ships sinking faster than they would if they were buttoned up and actively sailing. Also they were stationary, so it would have been harder to achieve hits, and the anti-aircraft ammo was locked up. So more flak would be ready on the ships.

The Arizona which had a magazine explosion and had the highest loss of life, would have done the same if hit in blue water. Its likely Oklahoma even if hit by the same number would not have capsized and rescue of sailors would have been simpler. The ships hit by only a few torpedos would have not sunk. The Nevada had one hit, did try and sortie but mistakes in flooding resulted in beaching.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 03:33 PM (n7h9X)

382 Or tackle all three of Gordon Prange's books on the Pearl Harbor attack.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 09, 2024 03:33 PM (YAxvO)

383 The Japanese had a plan if the battle line of battleships were at sea and in their usual training area.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 09, 2024 03:35 PM (YAxvO)

384 Shattered Sword by Parshall and Tully does a pretty good analysis of Japanese planning leading up to the attack, if memory serves.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at October 09, 2024 03:32 PM (J0r3x)

Shattered Sword is about Midway more than PH

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 03:35 PM (n7h9X)

385 another fun fact...Eleanor was a distant cousin of FDR

I found it a bit humorous that the statue of FDR and Eleanor that was installed during the Clinton years had him sitting in a wheel chair given all the effort to show him standing in every conceivable way when he was out in the public and Eleanor had no fur collar on her statue coat yet the are no pictures of her without fur on her collars.

Posted by: DanMan at October 09, 2024 03:36 PM (8uzBS)

386 Prince of Wales and Repulse were at sea and buttoned up.

They still sank.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 09, 2024 03:36 PM (YAxvO)

387 But he is wrong on that point. He discounts weak stuffing tube maintenance. That would have sunk, in deep water, many more ships.

FWIW, Zimm was a hydrofoil naval officer, not DCA of a destroyer, like me.

We got very lucky at Pearl Harbor, but not as lucky as if the attach was the weekend before, when there was a defense exercise, and we were really ready.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 09, 2024 03:32 PM (u82oZ)

He mentions those issues on the discussion of the Nevada sortie to some extent. I don't think you can say that an alert navy even with some damage would sink as rapidly as the sitting ducks with their hatches ajar no matter how the seals leaked a bit. It didn't seem to harm the Nevada for some time until they were lower in the water on their sortie.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 03:39 PM (n7h9X)

388 Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 03:33 PM (n7h9X)

Good points, I agree but the BB's were WWI vintage and not very maneuverable. I think the Jap Kates and Vals would have smothered them. As they did to British cruisers during the Indian Ocean raid. Not to mention Prince of Wales and Repulse the day after PH (although they were victims, not of carrier based but of land based Nells and Betty's armed with torpedoes).

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at October 09, 2024 03:40 PM (J0r3x)

389 Shattered Sword is about Midway of course but as I recall it did a pretty good dissection of early Japanese war planning and the events/missteps leading up to Midway.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at October 09, 2024 03:43 PM (J0r3x)

390 Prince of Wales and Repulse were at sea and buttoned up.

They still sank.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 09, 2024 03:36 PM (YAxvO)

No Betties at PH. Believe POW had an electrical failure that knocked out all of their defenses quick and the R class British BBs were WWI aged, had few anti air guns and are very 'sinkable'.

A US fleet active off Hawaii would have had land based air comver.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 03:43 PM (n7h9X)

391 Chairborne!...Desk From Above!

The HMS Repulse was very well handled in the attack. Maneuvered around a lot of torpedos. But in the end, the last attack possible (from that air group) got her.

The PoW had a shaft displacement rip the watertight integrity from shaft ally to the engine room. It was doomed after that.

Wish I could talk more, but got to go to work, alas.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 09, 2024 03:47 PM (u82oZ)

392
Pretty much. Cloud people at the heights of the ruling class across the West basically have no identification with any country they happen to reside in at the moment and no care in the world what happens to them.
- whig

As superbly explained by Angelo Codevilla in his prescient article publshied in the American Spectator:

"America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution"

https://tinyurl.com/yvxzfjds

Posted by: mrp at October 09, 2024 03:47 PM (rj6Yv)

393 Oldcat

Repulse was an upgraded battlecruiser, not an R class BB.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 09, 2024 03:48 PM (u82oZ)

394 Good points, I agree but the BB's were WWI vintage and not very maneuverable. I think the Jap Kates and Vals would have smothered them. As they did to British cruisers during the Indian Ocean raid. Not to mention Prince of Wales and Repulse the day after PH (although they were victims, not of carrier based but of land based Nells and Betty's armed with torpedoes).
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at October 09, 2024 03:40 PM (J0r3x)

Even at PH with surprise a good number of Vals got shot down going for the BBs. And being able to dodge would be a great advantage.

And the high altitude bombers, that blew up the Arizona would not have been able to hit a moving BB.

Yeah the Japanese were good, but in no battle did anyone sink 4-5 BBs. Even late in the war it took a hell of a time for our megafleets to sink BBs one at a time.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 03:48 PM (n7h9X)

395 378 I read some radical feminist handbook from the 70's and in earnest the plan was to kill most men, and keep the rest as slaves for procreation. And all these women were going to have hot tub parties every night in these giant mansions and all I could think is who is going to build and maintain all these hot tubs and mansions.
Posted by: ... at October 09, 2024 03:30 PM (hmOfI)

I saw that movie - it was called Zardoz. Then a Real Man in a red thong showed up.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 09, 2024 03:48 PM (Df/yq)

396 Oldcat

Repulse was an upgraded battlecruiser, not an R class BB.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 09, 2024 03:48 PM (u82oZ)

Then it shouldn't even be mentioned as a BB the Japanese sank in action.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 09, 2024 03:49 PM (n7h9X)

397 The Washington Naval Treaty BBs and Cruisers were compromised (in every sense of the word).

Posted by: mrp at October 09, 2024 03:50 PM (rj6Yv)

398 There is a reference screening for Morons you need to pass first:

1. Ginger or Mary Ann?
2. Onager or Trebuchet?
3. 9mm or .45 ACP?
4.'Taupe or Fawn?
5. What is NZFrank's favorite Aussie beer?
Posted by: Duncanthrax

We (the Royal we) are watching and listening. That is all.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at October 09, 2024 03:52 PM (bgJ0E)

399 Teamsters President: The Democrat Party Is No Longer the Party of the Working Class. It's Bought and Paid For By Tech Billionaires
______

Endorse Trump then.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at October 09, 2024 03:55 PM (6KESc)

400 The big problem that lead to the Pearl Harbor debacle was the mind set that Japanese were very unlikely to start a war until the US was ready to fight a war.

If the US was facing Germany alone at the distances that existed between Japanese and US forces, one might presume that defense preparations by the US would be significantly improved over what we had on Dec. 7, 1941. Add to that, the objectives of Germany First as agreed between the US and the UK in Placentia Bay.

Posted by: mrp at October 09, 2024 03:56 PM (rj6Yv)

401 Unions are just another group of corporations that supply labor, and depending on state law, often as a monopoly.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at October 09, 2024 03:59 PM (6KESc)

402 23
Co-worker comes back to the job yesterday with a pizza from Santarpio's (East Boston dumpy famous restaurant) and the pizza box has a "Vote NO on Question 5" sticker on it.

Question 5 is a referendum for No Tax On Tips in MA.

For LIVs that's a tough one to decipher. It has 'NO' in the actual referendum and they are asked to vote 'NO' -- let's see now, do I check {NO} or {YES}. Two NOs is a YES right?

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, bisogna essere preciso at October 09, 2024 04:51 PM (qfLjt)

403 40
Posted by SH
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In a cashless society the bill/check will be paid by plastic or whatever and it will include the tip, built-in or as a separate line item. So no individual tips.
Am I wrong?

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, daremo la mancia ai camerieri at October 09, 2024 05:05 PM (qfLjt)

404 Does he mean: as opposed to Democrats being bought and paid for by labor unions?

Posted by: Socratease at October 09, 2024 05:36 PM (t8Egx)

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