Mid-Morning Art Thread

Vanitas Still Life With The Spinario
Pieter Claesz

Posted by: CBD at 09:30 AM

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1 1

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 09:30 AM (gbOdA)

2 First?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 09:30 AM (J2vNu)

3 I gotcher Spinario right cheer!!

Posted by: Tonypete at October 11, 2024 09:30 AM (WXNFJ)

4 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 11, 2024 09:31 AM (Zz0t1)

5 scuse me while I clip my toenails

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 09:31 AM (gbOdA)

6 Wait! A 'still life' with a skull?

I are confused.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 11, 2024 09:31 AM (WXNFJ)

7 Almost!

What, may I ask, is a "spinario"? Sounds like the guy the elderly sisters hid in the window seat in Arsenic and Old Lace.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 09:31 AM (J2vNu)

8 Cartoony, but very AI'ish.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 11, 2024 09:31 AM (Zz0t1)

9 Izzat a bouzouki?

Posted by: BignJames at October 11, 2024 09:32 AM (Yj6Os)

10 Spinario. Is that anything like an accordion?

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at October 11, 2024 09:32 AM (SfhV1)

11 Is that a early copy of Penthouse?

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 09:32 AM (gbOdA)

12 I hate still lifes. Would not hang.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 11, 2024 09:32 AM (v6JzV)

13 What a mess

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 11, 2024 09:32 AM (1JnfY)

14 I saw Life With the Spinario open for Yanni and Kenny G at Snoozefest in '04.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 11, 2024 09:32 AM (Zz0t1)

15 Wow, this painting has it all, even a sketch of a nude lady. Too bad for y'all 'rons that you can only barely make out the boobs.

Posted by: She Hobbit at October 11, 2024 09:32 AM (ftFVW)

16 Start working out at the campus gym, including weights.
Check out Joey Swoll's X account for tips on gym etiquette

Skin tight leggings and a sports bra right?

Posted by: Obligatory at October 11, 2024 09:32 AM (oZhjI)

17 Boy with Thorn, also known as Spinario, is a Greco-Roman bronze sculpture of a boy pulling a thorn from his foot. It was a popular model for Renaissance artists and inspired many copies and variations in different media.

And now you know.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2024 09:32 AM (Aqu9a)

18 Love the detail in this one. And I had to look up spinario.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 11, 2024 09:33 AM (WPL6O)

19 Roll the bones

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 11, 2024 09:33 AM (Q4IgG)

20 you can only barely make out the boobs.

Posted by: She Hobbit at October 11, 2024 09:32 AM (ftFVW)

But they are there...therefore this qualifies as "art."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 11, 2024 09:33 AM (d9fT1)

21 Mamas got a Spinario she wear on her chest

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 09:33 AM (gbOdA)

22 It wasn't me, I tells ya.

Posted by: The Dog at October 11, 2024 09:33 AM (xCA6C)

23 And remember that's not just a skull on the table, that's my skull behind the table looking at the naked statue.

Until next time!

Posted by: Skeletor at October 11, 2024 09:33 AM (oZhjI)

24 Skilled painting.

Would hang, next to the overhead crane controls.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 11, 2024 09:34 AM (u82oZ)

25 What a collection of objects. A sculpture of a man pulling a thorn out of his foot, a gleaming goblet, a skull minus its lower jaw atop two leg bones, a breastplate, a fiddle, an artist's sketchbook, and other things I can't identify. Eclectic for sure.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 09:34 AM (J2vNu)

26 Not even a happy potted plant.

And no happy bush, given that mess.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 11, 2024 09:34 AM (a3Q+t)

27 what's with the marble guy, picking his feet like a monkey

Posted by: Don Black at October 11, 2024 09:34 AM (/7KEl)

28 Now THIS is art, not a bunch of airy-fairy Stalinist horses.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 11, 2024 09:34 AM (xCA6C)

29 Kid wouldn't get thorns in his feet if he wore crocs

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 11, 2024 09:34 AM (1JnfY)

30 His little boys peeing statue was at the plumbers.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 09:34 AM (gbOdA)

31 You still picking your feet in Poughkeepsie?

Posted by: Jayhawkone at October 11, 2024 09:35 AM (1iDhD)

32 Claesz was a 17th Century Belgian.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 09:35 AM (J2vNu)

33 Artist has quite the hobbies laid out there. Might be a Moron.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 11, 2024 09:35 AM (Q4IgG)

34 Is the statue looking at the callous on his foot?

Posted by: redridinghood at October 11, 2024 09:35 AM (NpAcC)

35 22 It wasn't me, I tells ya.

Posted by: The Dog

Hehehehe.

Posted by: The Cat at October 11, 2024 09:36 AM (xCA6C)

36 Statuette titled "Who Left That Damn Lego On the Floor?"

Posted by: Oddbob at October 11, 2024 09:36 AM (/y8xj)

37 I think CBD has given us Claesz's Still Life With Musical Instruments in the past.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 09:36 AM (J2vNu)

38 But they are there...therefore this qualifies as "art."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Heya, CBD! BruceWayne wanted me to pass along his thanks for fixing the Apple podcast issue on CJN Speaks.

Posted by: She Hobbit at October 11, 2024 09:36 AM (ftFVW)

39 Wow, this painting has it all, even a sketch of a nude lady. Too bad for y'all 'rons that you can only barely make out the boobs.
Posted by: She Hobbit at October 11, 2024

***
That's partly because she isn't very well endowed.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 09:37 AM (J2vNu)

40 And no happy bush, given that mess.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 11, 2024 09:34 AM (a3Q+t)

Oh...there is a happy bush!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 11, 2024 09:37 AM (d9fT1)

41 The iconic Rijksmuseum in the heart of Amsterdam is one of the things you need to see when you visit the Netherlands. Immerse yourself in more than 8,000 works of Dutch art and history, including masterpieces by Vermeer, Rembrandt, and Van Gogh.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 09:37 AM (gbOdA)

42 Looks like a junk drawer spill over into the kitchen. It's okay I suppose but this one goes back to the museum.

Posted by: Art critic critisizing art criticall at October 11, 2024 09:38 AM (89Sog)

43 Why is the Spinario significant?
The Spinario has no known story. Instead, it was celebrated as a supremely beautiful representation of the human body in complex action. Antico made exquisitely animated bronze versions of Roman statuary that were kept in his aristocratic patrons' studies.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 11, 2024 09:38 AM (xCA6C)

44 Heya, CBD! BruceWayne wanted me to pass along his thanks for fixing the Apple podcast issue on CJN Speaks.

Posted by: She Hobbit at October 11, 2024 09:36 AM (ftFVW)

It worked? I haven't checked. Cool!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 11, 2024 09:38 AM (d9fT1)

45 Needs a bowl of fruit.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 11, 2024 09:38 AM (NpAcC)

46 Is the statue looking at the callous on his foot?
Posted by: redridinghood at October 11, 2024

***
Tough to get a corn *under* the callus in the days before corn remover.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 09:39 AM (J2vNu)

47 I thought Spinario was a super-villain with the power to make you dizzy.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 11, 2024 09:39 AM (LxER7)

48 The guy had a lot of hobbies.

Posted by: huerfano at October 11, 2024 09:39 AM (VGOMa)

49 45 Needs a bowl of fruit.
Posted by: redridinghood

A saxophone and a stand up bass.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 11, 2024 09:39 AM (1JnfY)

50 I thought Spinario was a super-villain with the power to make you dizzy.

Often seen in the company of his brother, Spewmoni.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 11, 2024 09:40 AM (xCA6C)

51 Okay, so "the Spinario" is the name of the sculpture.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 09:40 AM (J2vNu)

52 See we did get another nice painting
And Halloween theme

Posted by: Skip at October 11, 2024 09:40 AM (i+wP0)

53 The artist's prop-room including 'studio armour' and a very fancy watch.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 09:40 AM (CEzQx)

54 Museum says:

Appearances can be deceptive – certainly in painting, which gives only an impression of reality. Here Claesz presents the study materials of an educated painter: books, drawings, armour, musical instruments and a plaster cast of the Spinario, a famous antique sculpture of a boy extracting a thorn from his foot. On the table are a paintbrush and a palette, along with bones and a skull. The message is clear: the world is mere illusion and transience.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 09:40 AM (gbOdA)

55 I see the skull and assume that is Hamlet's desk.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 11, 2024 09:40 AM (lTGtQ)

56 Okay, so "the Spinario" is the name of the sculpture.

Correct.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 11, 2024 09:40 AM (xCA6C)

57 Vanitas is worried about how the soles of his feet look??

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 09:41 AM (CEzQx)

58 The artist's prop-room including 'studio armour' and a very fancy watch.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 09:40 AM (CEzQx)

I can use these in my act.

Posted by: Carrot Top at October 11, 2024 09:41 AM (Aqu9a)

59 Roll the bones
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 11, 2024 09:33 AM (Q4IgG)

Biggest mistake Rush ever made.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 11, 2024 09:41 AM (Zz0t1)

60 The Spinario has no known story. Instead, it was celebrated as a supremely beautiful representation of the human body in complex action. Antico made exquisitely animated bronze versions of Roman statuary that were kept in his aristocratic patrons' studies.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 11, 2024

***
Well, geez, Romans, if you're gonna sculpt something like that, make it a girl, huh?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 09:41 AM (J2vNu)

61 Pieter Claesz must be unmarried, otherwise those items would be on shelves off the floor.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 11, 2024 09:41 AM (u82oZ)

62 Statue: What the hell did I step in?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 11, 2024 09:42 AM (kgE5c)

63 I have the no Spinario zone!

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly at October 11, 2024 09:42 AM (gbOdA)

64 Late 1500s with a landing stip drawing
Who could have guessed that?

Posted by: Skip at October 11, 2024 09:42 AM (i+wP0)

65 The message is clear: the world is mere illusion and transience.

When isn't that the message?
Sic transit gloria mundi.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 11, 2024 09:42 AM (xCA6C)

66 25 What a collection of objects. A sculpture of a man pulling a thorn out of his foot, a gleaming goblet, a skull minus its lower jaw atop two leg bones, a breastplate, a fiddle, an artist's sketchbook, and other things I can't identify.

Pinterest. The early years.

Posted by: Public Service Announcement at October 11, 2024 09:42 AM (DobEs)

67 The message is clear: the world is mere illusion and transience.
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 09:40 AM (gbOdA)

Told ya.

Posted by: Morpheus at October 11, 2024 09:42 AM (LxER7)

68 Does this smell infected?

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 09:42 AM (gbOdA)

69 Way back when, I was selling some barely used snow tires on Craigslist.

Guy contacts me and I go to meet him at his convenience store. Indian dude. Your shocked face, I see it.

Anyway, he starts busting my balls about the price, which was clearly stated in my listing. He tells me to follow him and he takes me to a side room in the store where he has a collection of shit similar to the above. Says that if he buys another thing, his wife will kill him.

I didn't want the damn tires so I knocked $5 off the price and that was apparently all he wanted from me because he took them. But man, I cannot imagine stockpiling the kind of crap he had. Would've made a field day for this painter.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 09:42 AM (KbCG3)

70 The iconic Rijksmuseum in the heart of Amsterdam is one of the things you need to see when you visit the Netherlands. Immerse yourself in more than 8,000 works of Dutch art and history, including masterpieces by Vermeer, Rembrandt, and Van Gogh.

Posted by: rhennigantx

I used to have to layover in Amsterdam for 4 or 5 hours in the days before the direct flights into the middle east and asia. This was one of my spots to spend the time.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 11, 2024 09:43 AM (lTGtQ)

71 The message is clear: the world is mere illusion and transience.
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 09:40 AM (gbOdA)

Told ya.
Posted by: Morpheus at October 11, 2024 09:42 AM

Dust. Wind. *points* Dude.

Posted by: Ted "Theodore" Logan at October 11, 2024 09:44 AM (kgE5c)

72 No dog, but a naked woman makes this art. The bones make it Whitmer-approved art.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 11, 2024 09:44 AM (0dpQU)

73 Vanitas Still Life with the Spinario, Pieter Claesz, 1628
oil on panel, h 70.5cm × w 80.5cm Catalogue entry

Appearances can be deceptive – certainly in painting, which gives only an impression of reality. Here Claesz presents the study materials of an educated painter: books, drawings, armour, musical instruments and a plaster cast of the Spinario, a famous antique sculpture of a boy extracting a thorn from his foot. On the table are a paintbrush and a palette, along with bones and a skull. The message is clear: the world is mere illusion and transience (vanitas).

https://tinyurl.com/4t42w3hs
Full description etc. at link.

In this rather complex still life set in a corner of a room, some of those objects are on a table covered with a green cloth, while the musical instruments are on the floor. Pieter Claesz also added several attributes of painting and drawing: a palette laid out with colours, brushes, a maulstick, an open album of drawings with a nude figure (possibly Fortuna), drawing materials, and a cast of the classical statue The Thorn-puller, or Spinario. Almost all the objects in this painting can be construed as symbols of art and science, and of the transience of life.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 09:44 AM (CEzQx)

74 "dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones..."

Posted by: BignJames at October 11, 2024 09:45 AM (Yj6Os)

75 This painting would be a good backdrop for a Paradox game.

Posted by: Skeletor at October 11, 2024 09:45 AM (oZhjI)

76 How many times do I have to tell you to clean up your room!

Pieter's mom

Also, Peter's mom

Posted by: Pete in Texas at October 11, 2024 09:45 AM (BHrzb)

77 Ok. Off to work.

Be excellent to each other.

Except to Paul. He's a trans female just so he justifies dudes pounding him anally every day.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 11, 2024 09:45 AM (Zz0t1)

78 Almost all the objects in this painting can be construed as symbols of art and science, and of the transience of life.

I don't see the connection.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 11, 2024 09:46 AM (xCA6C)

79
No dog. Not art.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 11, 2024 09:46 AM (BkEzK)

80 Pieter's mom has got it going on

Posted by: Fountains of Wayne at October 11, 2024 09:46 AM (oZhjI)

81 "dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones..."
Posted by: BignJames at October 11, 2024 09:45 AM

Thanks. Now I have Schoolhouse Rock stuck in my head.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 11, 2024 09:46 AM (kgE5c)

82 I would like to see a closeup of the reflections in the glass.

Posted by: FINGERS at October 11, 2024 09:46 AM (C8ve7)

83 This is like that puzzle in the newspaper. How many musical instruments can you spot?

I see three so far.

Posted by: dantesed at October 11, 2024 09:47 AM (Oy/m2)

84 Skulls lying around would be depressing.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 09:47 AM (U8kCF)

85 Skulls lying around would be depressing./i]

Meh you get used to it

Posted by: Skynet at October 11, 2024 09:47 AM (oZhjI)

86 I hear the theme from Godfather playin in the background.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 09:48 AM (gbOdA)

87 #54 #73 Sorry, rhennigantx, I was reading the Rijksmuseum page and missed your first description.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 09:48 AM (CEzQx)

88 Skulls lying around would be depressing.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 09:47 AM

Our grave digger seemed to find it funny.

Posted by: Hamlet at October 11, 2024 09:48 AM (kgE5c)

89 Pieter needs a housekeeper.

Posted by: banana Dream at October 11, 2024 09:48 AM (Y6IkP)

90 Looks like a garage sale.

Posted by: fd at October 11, 2024 09:48 AM (vFG9F)

91 I kind of like it, but it is almost like a test. 'See how many different things I can paint!'

'I can make a hat- or a broach- or a pterodactyl!'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 09:48 AM (y31cs)

92 > Skulls lying around would be depressing.
--------
Depends on whose they are.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 11, 2024 09:48 AM (Q4IgG)

93
How did Kamala's skull get there?

The front four upper teeth are missing. A sure sign of the Professional Blow-Job Queen.

Did she get ahold of Ace's time machine?

Posted by: naturalfake at October 11, 2024 09:48 AM (eDfFs)

94 Skulls lying around would be depressing.
Posted by: dagny

Honestly, it's astounding what you can get use to.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 11, 2024 09:49 AM (WXNFJ)

95 Alas poor Yorick!

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 09:49 AM (U8kCF)

96 Damnit...I'm going to have to bust out my still-life symbolism decoder ring for this piece, aren't I?

Posted by: Art Moron at October 11, 2024 09:50 AM (JCZqz)

97 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 09:50 AM (gbOdA)

98 I knew him, Horatio.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 11, 2024 09:50 AM (1JnfY)

99 What did the statue step on?

Posted by: tankdemon at October 11, 2024 09:50 AM (FVLcK)

100 Pieter Pieter pumpkin eater
Had a wife loved to beat her
You know the rest. Ohhhhhhh!!

Posted by: Dice Spinario at October 11, 2024 09:50 AM (HcoTw)

101 92 > Skulls lying around would be depressing.
--------
Depends on whose they are.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

Are you crazy?!?! Jackpot!!!

Posted by: Pol Pot at October 11, 2024 09:51 AM (JCZqz)

102 I assume, like all high tier politicians, that Kamala has all her teeth capped- just like slow joe.

I wonder what that looks like in a skull? Probably not as good a presentation as when you are alive.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 09:51 AM (y31cs)

103 Starship being stacked now for liftoff. Probably this weekend.

Beautiful morning in Boca.

Posted by: ASHQ insult factory at October 11, 2024 09:51 AM (QB+5g)

104 Oops.

Posted by: pawn at October 11, 2024 09:51 AM (QB+5g)

105 How the heck does one step on a thorn?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 11, 2024 09:51 AM (v6JzV)

106 Alas poor Yorick!

Pffft he had it easy

Posted by: Byzantine emperor Nicephorus I at October 11, 2024 09:52 AM (oZhjI)

107 DeSantis pantses reporter who tried to blame Milton on climate change:
https://tinyurl.com/55m7pnhw

Governor @RonDeSantis
shot down a news reporter today who tried to get him to blame Hurricane Milton on climate change. He didn’t evade it either — he directly answered the question and cited stats to debunk the claim.

Oh, and those stats Governor DeSantis cited? They were directly from my analysis of NOAA HURDAT2 data this morning. Trump and Vance should take a page out of his book and sack reporters with data and leave them speechless.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 11, 2024 09:52 AM (xCA6C)

108 From ZH:

While Harris seems certain to win the overall black vote, she's on course to do so by a significantly slimmer margin than recent party standard-bearers. In 2008, 95% of blacks voted for Obama. This year, only 63% of blacks say they'll vote for Harris, according to a recent NAACP survey. What's particularly alarming to Democrats is that, among black men under 50, only 49% support Harris, with 26% saying they'll vote for Trump.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2024 09:52 AM (oZhjI)

109
"Again....?

How do I keep stepping in dog crap all the time?"

Posted by: The Spinario at October 11, 2024 09:52 AM (eDfFs)

110 What's funny is that we think this room belongs to a "Rennaisance Man" but one can see the same mild chaos and variation in a child's bedroom.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2024 09:52 AM (g8Ew8)

111 Artist was living in Haarlem if that helps explain the skull.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 09:53 AM (U8kCF)

112 Spinario? I barely knew him-o!

Posted by: NaughtyPine - getting the jokes exactly wrong at October 11, 2024 09:53 AM (TEiO2)

113 103 Starship being stacked now for liftoff. Probably this weekend.

Beautiful morning in Boca.
Posted by: ASHQ insult factory at October 11, 2024 09:51 AM (QB+5g)

This is how my mind works. This is immediately what popped into my head when I read 'starship.)

https://tinyurl.com/2tchw3zz

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 09:53 AM (y31cs)

114 Pull out the Thorn so he can go to war and kill and be a real man.

Posted by: XTC at October 11, 2024 09:53 AM (UnA8+)

115 How the heck does one step on a thorn?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 11, 2024 09:51 AM (v6JzV)

He's a Greek boy so he probably did it while blowing a dude.

Posted by: Ol' "Killer Lips" Franklin at October 11, 2024 09:53 AM (awTae)

116 105 How the heck does one step on a thorn?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 11, 2024 09:51 AM (v6JzV)

Step on a rose bush?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 09:53 AM (y31cs)

117 I see three so far.

Violin, lute, two flutes/recorders. The black object might be another flute.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 11, 2024 09:53 AM (/y8xj)

118 54% of all Cat number hurricanes happened when surface sea temp were below both mean and average temperatures.

Thats since 1900.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 09:54 AM (gbOdA)

119 108 From ZH:

While Harris seems certain to win the overall black vote, she's on course to do so by a significantly slimmer margin than recent party standard-bearers. In 2008, 95% of blacks voted for Obama. This year, only 63% of blacks say they'll vote for Harris, according to a recent NAACP survey. What's particularly alarming to Democrats is that, among black men under 50, only 49% support Harris, with 26% saying they'll vote for Trump.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2024 09:52 AM (oZhjI)
=======

Polls (spit).

However, Baris has pointed out that the phenomenon of black support showing up for Trump and then evaporating closer to election day isn't following through yet.

We'll see.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 09:54 AM (GBKbO)

120 114 Pull out the Thorn so he can go to war and kill and be a real man.
Posted by: XTC at October 11, 2024 09:53 AM (UnA8+)

'Come home with this shield or on it.'
-Mom

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 09:54 AM (y31cs)

121 Depends on who they are.

Progs have soft skulls.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 09:54 AM (U8kCF)

122 Shelving, and the lack thereof, is a recurring theme for this site. Disorder is a problem almost everywhere except here. How would you like it if the supermarket had thousands of objects just thrown in there willy-nilly, with no sense of order or purpose? Hoarding can be dangerous, even life-threatening. Celebrating dysfunction like this, even in an Art Thread is subversive and puts our precious democracy at risk.

Posted by: Do Better, People! at October 11, 2024 09:55 AM (CV8a5)

123 It's a counterfeit. You can see an Alexa behind the skull.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 11, 2024 09:55 AM (ewjUl)

124 Alas poor Claesz! I knew him, Spinario.

Posted by: Piglet, Prince of Dumbledore at October 11, 2024 09:55 AM (PYNuc)

125 Holy shitballs! (To quote Weasel), I love this stuff. These golden age artists of the 1600s are superb in their ability for realism and the use of light and color to bring out the details of the objects. And the props used are indicative of the period offering an insight into what was available to the people at that time and place. One feature often used is clear glass in some form. How do they do that so effectively?

This still life is so interesting with its juxtaposition of accomplishment (music instruments, armor, art materials, the figure of the statue all jumbled haphazardly) with the idea of mortality (bones and skull). It might be a bit depressing or moralistic but I'm so caught up in the artistry I'm not concerned until after a look of looking.

Think I'll reread Thomas Gray's "Elegy In A Country Churchyard". I wonder if this type of art inspired the poem.

Posted by: JTB at October 11, 2024 09:55 AM (yTvNw)

126 118 54% of all Cat number hurricanes happened when surface sea temp were below both mean and average temperatures.

Thats since 1900.
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 09:54 AM (gbOdA)

"Nu uh!" - AOC

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 09:55 AM (KbCG3)

127 What is the flat thing to the right of the skull and bones? If this is a portrait of a painter's studio, I'd guess that is his palette, with a sheaf of different-sized brushes atop it.

What is the gourd-like instrument on the floor, and the cane-like and flute-like objects next to it? Are they part of the instrument?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 09:56 AM (J2vNu)

128 Violin, lute, two flutes/recorders. The black object might be another flute.
Posted by: Oddbob

If I learned anything from the show Stomp!, it's that every object can be musical.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 11, 2024 09:56 AM (JCZqz)

129 However, Baris has pointed out that the phenomenon of black support showing up for Trump and then evaporating closer to election day isn't following through yet.

If one assumes the big blue shitty votes are mostly being cast by Dem operatives it makes sense though doesn't it? No matter how much the citizens there turn against the Dems the votes are still cast in their names...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2024 09:56 AM (oZhjI)

130 Starship being stacked now for liftoff. Probably this weekend.

Beautiful morning in Boca.
Posted by: ASHQ insult factory at October 11, 2024 09:51 AM (QB+5g)

Don't make bets on that launch date. FAA and the EPA are still insisting on playing their political games.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2024 09:56 AM (g8Ew8)

131
The black object might be another flute.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 11, 2024 09:53 AM (/y8xj)

Naw. I heard Kamala's skull was around here some place.

Posted by: Willie Brown at October 11, 2024 09:56 AM (eDfFs)

132 Seeing as Kris is absent this morning so far...

How Memento Mori and Vanitas Paintings Symbolized Death - Artsy

As these paintings proliferated throughout the 17th century, artists used a great variety of objects to express the principles of vanitas. Skulls, snuffed candles, and burnt-out lamps were some of the most obvious symbols of mortality. A clay pipe trailing wisps of smoke vanishing into the ether was another potent allusion to the fleeting nature of human life. Hourglasses, open pocket watches, and clocks suggested the passing of time and subtly reprimanded those who waste the precious resource.

When positioned alongside these symbols, an empty or overturned roemer glass (a German wine glass with a green stem) could suggest the transience of life. Instruments such as the lute conveyed a similar message; music became a metaphor for vanity or the ephemerality of human existence.

https://tinyurl.com/drf5pdkm

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 09:57 AM (CEzQx)

133 Come home with this shield or on it.'
-Mom
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 09:54 AM (y31cs)

Spartans were the very gayest Greeks of all, which is unsurprising, given that their women were awful, shrieking harridans.

Posted by: Ol' "Killer Lips" Franklin at October 11, 2024 09:57 AM (awTae)

134 129 If one assumes the big blue shitty votes are mostly being cast by Dem operatives it makes sense though doesn't it? No matter how much the citizens there turn against the Dems the votes are still cast in their names...
Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2024 09:56 AM (oZhjI)

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Yeah, that's another thing.

What percentage of blacks...vote at all? If, say, Baltimore is 75% invented in terms of vote totals, how much can the Baltimore vote reflect the will of the black population?

I've said it before, but I pretty firmly believe that blacks don't represent 11-13% of the electorate. I think it's 5-6%. I think at least half of all black votes are manufactured.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 09:57 AM (GBKbO)

135 How the heck does one step on a thorn?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 11, 2024

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When it's fallen from a rosebush or a thorn tree, I guess.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 09:58 AM (J2vNu)

136 If one assumes the big blue shitty votes are mostly being cast by Dem operatives it makes sense though doesn't it? No matter how much the citizens there turn against the Dems the votes are still cast in their names...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2024 09:56 AM (oZhjI)

The lack of an uprising leads me to believe that these communities aren't turning against the dems in any meaningful way.

I'm not saying they support them, but without actions, they're basically supporting them.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 09:58 AM (KbCG3)

137 Apparently, the Dutch Golden Age cultural leap was caused by an influx of catholics from the Hapsburg empire

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 09:58 AM (U8kCF)

138 Good morning again dear morons

I unconditionally forgive anyone who may have wronged me during this year, and I ask forgiveness for anyone I may have wronged as well.

Even if you don't like Zappa month.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 11, 2024 09:59 AM (RIvkX)

139 Alternate title

The Dog Has Yet To Find Squeak Toy

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 11, 2024 09:59 AM (8AONa)

140 I've said it before, but I pretty firmly believe that blacks don't represent 11-13% of the electorate. I think it's 5-6%. I think at least half of all black votes are manufactured.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 09:57 AM (GBKbO)

A quote I will never forget after the 2020 election. Black woman saying, "Everybody knows that the man will be around to pick up your ballot and give you your $20."

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 09:59 AM (KbCG3)

141 A possible subtitle could be "abject symbolism", right?

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at October 11, 2024 09:59 AM (hKoQL)

142 136 The lack of an uprising leads me to believe that these communities aren't turning against the dems in any meaningful way.

I'm not saying they support them, but without actions, they're basically supporting them.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 09:58 AM (KbCG3)

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Either that, or they loyally and consistently vote for the party and politicians that make their cities worse with every passing year.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 09:59 AM (GBKbO)

143 How the heck does one step on a thorn?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 11, 2024

Very carthfully

Posted by: M Tyson at October 11, 2024 09:59 AM (HcoTw)

144 Naw. I heard Kamala's skull was around here some place.
Posted by: Willie Brown at October 11, 2024 09:56 AM (eDfFs)

On a black skin flute, doubtless.

Posted by: XTC at October 11, 2024 10:00 AM (UnA8+)

145 138 Good morning again dear morons

I unconditionally forgive anyone who may have wronged me during this year, and I ask forgiveness for anyone I may have wronged as well.

Even if you don't like Zappa month.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 11, 2024 09:59 AM (RIvkX)

Eh...some things are kind of unforgivable.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 10:00 AM (KbCG3)

146 Men, including black men, are "turning" against kamala because she's an obvious moron. I hope.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 10:00 AM (U8kCF)

147 "Don't make bets on that launch date. FAA and the EPA are still insisting on playing their political games."

I'm willing to bet they get approval for launch this weekend.

Posted by: pawn at October 11, 2024 10:00 AM (QB+5g)

148 The object in the left lower corner, beyond the breastplate, looks like a conquistador-style helmet. This was during the period when the Dutch were rebelling against Spain, so I guess that makes sense.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 10:01 AM (J2vNu)

149 The ZH article goes on to summarize Barack Obama campaigning for Harris as telling back men they must vote based on their race and they better not vote based on their sex...and it is hilarious.

Especially because by any reasonable standard Kamala isn't black.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2024 10:02 AM (oZhjI)

150 CBD,
Thanks for choosing such a glorious painting to end the week with.

Posted by: JTB at October 11, 2024 10:03 AM (yTvNw)

151 You know, 80's videos were kind of gay, but often they were... happy. So maybe we are thinking of the old meaning of 'gay'.

Nah, Bonnie Tyler videos are homosexual as hell.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 10:03 AM (y31cs)

152 Alternate title

The Dog Has Yet To Find Squeak Toy
Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 11, 2024

***
Or:

"Damn cats!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 10:03 AM (J2vNu)

153 Vote buying shouldn't be illegal. There is nothing more American than swindling somebody out of $20 for something utterly worthless.

Posted by: Ol' "Killer Lips" Franklin at October 11, 2024 10:03 AM (awTae)

154 Barak's fake ghetto patois is ridiculous

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 10:03 AM (U8kCF)

155 Is that a cane or a field hockey stick?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 10:03 AM (y31cs)

156 Unobtanium remains in short supply, so expecting workable plan to go 100% EVs is a fantasy.

Posted by: SMOD at October 11, 2024 10:03 AM (GITLP)

157 149 The ZH article goes on to summarize Barack Obama campaigning for Harris as telling back men they must vote based on their race and they better not vote based on their sex...and it is hilarious.

Especially because by any reasonable standard Kamala isn't black.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2024 10:02 AM (oZhjI)
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"Black men, vote by your race not your sex. White women, vote by your sex, not your race."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:04 AM (GBKbO)

158 Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2024 10:02 AM (oZhjI)

Granted, most Blacks will probably vote for Kamala, but BO's approach doesn't seem the best way to sell her candidacy.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2024 10:04 AM (MQJVv)

159 NOT about this painting but...

Several objects, including a parade helmet, a breastplate, and a quiver of arrows, allude to the vainglorious nature of military conquest. Meanwhile, the vanity of intellectual and artistic achievement is suggested via an artist’s palette, books, and documents. A king’s crown, a bishop’s mitre, a papal tiara, and a crowned turban sitting atop a robe of ermine-edged silk brocade are emblems of political and ecclesiastical power. Those items visually and symbolically lead to a skull crowned with a simple laurel wreath—a potent reminder that death conquers all.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 10:04 AM (CEzQx)

160 Or, perhaps, not quite all. In his Vanitas Still Life with violin and glass ball (ca. 162

, Pieter Claesz, one of the finest still-life painters of the Dutch Golden Age, shows off his virtuosity in his depiction of a number of vanitas motifs. An overturned roemer reflects a window, which can also be seen on the left side of the composition in a glass ball—where we can also see Claesz himself. The artist combined the early Netherlandish innovation of a convex mirror, which throws back an image from the viewer’s space, with the ephemeral symbol of homa bulla. By portraying himself at work within the orb, Claesz is insisting that the power of art transcends time.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 10:04 AM (CEzQx)

161 Spartans were the very gayest Greeks of all, which is unsurprising, given that their women were awful, shrieking harridans.
Posted by: Ol' "Killer Lips" Franklin at October 11, 2024

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King Leonidas' actual words were "Tonight we prance in hell"?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 10:05 AM (J2vNu)

162 Those items visually and symbolically lead to a skull crowned with a simple laurel wreath—a potent reminder that death conquers all.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024

***
Memento mori

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 10:06 AM (J2vNu)

163 Kamala's father had zero to do with her growing up esp in Canada. She's 100% ethnically Indian. Only black in her was wille brown, arsinio hall, motel Williams, and likely 1/2 of Howard University. Doug and her are purely transactional since he's a hot dog in a hallway.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 10:06 AM (U8kCF)

164 A quote I will never forget after the 2020 election. Black woman saying, "Everybody knows that the man will be around to pick up your ballot and give you your $20."
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 09:59 AM (KbCG3)

Obamas stash

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 10:07 AM (gbOdA)

165 How the heck does one step on a thorn?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 11, 2024

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When it's fallen from a rosebush or a thorn tree, I guess.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 09:58 AM (J2vNu)

My wife has a "climber" rose...damn thing grows like kudzu...it's everywhere.

Posted by: BignJames at October 11, 2024 10:07 AM (Yj6Os)

166 Everywhere I cast my eyes
We see an object, laid aside
Out any try to organize
Know this, a truth I now confide

Set not possessions randomly
Hither and yon and to and fro
Even though you order can see
Let in your mind what truth does show

Verify that order reigns
In order that you may be sure
Not hap-hazard, one must take pains
Get all in places, ordered pure

For sure as night-time follow day
A messy storage is no aid;
Instead be careful that you lay
Loose objects places they'll have stay'd!

And if my message puzzle thee,
Initial thoughts shall set it free!

Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at October 11, 2024 10:07 AM (OUMaO)

167 "I'm sorry, gentlemen. I've noticed this especially with some men who seem to think Trump's behavior, the bullying, and the putting people down [ like I am doing here ] is a sign of strength."

Posted by: SMOD at October 11, 2024 10:07 AM (GITLP)

168 Obama literally said, yeah things suck but trump

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 10:07 AM (U8kCF)

169 Rosenberg: Red Wave pollsters step up their work this week, releasing at least 20 polls across the battlegrounds. It’s a sign that they are worried about the public polling in both the Presidential and the Senate, and have dramatically escalated their efforts to push the polling averages to the right and make the election look redder than it is.

Yes, in Real Clear Politics Trump is now winning the election due to their gamesmanship...it is time for those who analyze polls to start acknowledging that there is now a third type of poll - the red wave, right-aligned narrative polling that only exist for a single purpose - to move the polling averages to the right.

Unless the aggregators suddenly start excluding Red Wave polls from their averages (RCP definitely won’t, and it’s highly unlikely 538 will either), it will mean polling averages from now until Election Day cannot be trusted

I don't consider Emerson as a red-wave pollster. If anything, their state polling four years ago leaned way more left than the actual results.

Rosenberg is either going to be remarkably prescient, or it's going in the dictionary next to "Whistling Past the Graveyard."

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 11, 2024 10:08 AM (JCZqz)

170 You know, 80's videos were kind of gay . . .
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024

***
In rebuttal, I present The 20-Minute Workout and any Fall Guy footage featuring Heather Thomas!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 10:08 AM (J2vNu)

171 "Black men, vote by your race not your sex. White women, vote by your sex, not your race."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:04 AM (GBKbO)

hey were the black women at?

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 10:09 AM (gbOdA)

172 Barak was also doing that INCREDIBLY IRRITATING thing he always did when he says, "some say" or "some think" then he argues against that like he didn't just imagine it.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 10:09 AM (U8kCF)

173 In rebuttal, I present The 20-Minute Workout and any Fall Guy footage featuring Heather Thomas!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 10:08 AM (J2vNu)

Valid. Daisy Duke. Erin Grey in Buck Rogers. Samantha Fox.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 10:09 AM (y31cs)

174 #159/#160 painting:

Pieter Claesz, Still Life with Violin and Glass Ball, 1628. Image via Wikimedia Commons.

https://tinyurl.com/drf5pdkm

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 10:09 AM (CEzQx)

175 Hell, Erin Grey in Silver Spoons.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 10:10 AM (y31cs)

176 Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 10:07 AM (U8kCF)

Yes, because most urban Blacks are totally put off by a successful man who is straight talking and sometimes rude and has a way with the ladies./s

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2024 10:10 AM (MQJVv)

177 You are not a brother

*sips dirty martini on beach chair in Hawaiian mansion*

If you don’t vote for Cacklea.

Posted by: Obamas Dog Leftovers at October 11, 2024 10:10 AM (y7epx)

178 Black people have been told for generations that Republicans are all KKK members who want to bring back slavery. It’s said in schools,
In the media, in entertainment. It’s said everywhere. With virtually no pushback.

It’s not a stretch to believe 90% of blacks will vote against the party they’ve been told since birth wants to put them back in slavery.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:11 AM (6GgRW)

179 I got an email from an old colleague of mine, "remember how scary she was?"

Yeah, I don't remember being scared as much as exasperated with her b.s.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 11, 2024 10:11 AM (RIvkX)

180 Meant to give a shout-out to all you Morons on the Taylor Lorenz thread yesterday. I was reading it on my phone at the office and laughing waaaaay too loud.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 11, 2024 10:11 AM (LxER7)

181 "Barak was also doing that INCREDIBLY IRRITATING thing he always did when he says, "some say" or "some think" then he argues against that like he didn't just imagine it."

The JEF was the King of the Strawmen.

Posted by: pawn at October 11, 2024 10:11 AM (QB+5g)

182 Gas prices have really jumped in the last week or two. Most around here are $3.50 to $3.55. Just one week ago, I found $3.09.

Posted by: SMOD at October 11, 2024 10:11 AM (GITLP)

183 169 Rosenberg: Red Wave pollsters step up their work this week, releasing at least 20 polls across the battlegrounds. It’s a sign that they are worried about the public polling in both the Presidential and the Senate, and have dramatically escalated their efforts to push the polling averages to the right and make the election look redder than it is.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Tra

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Polls are stupid and for strippers, I hate them.

However, the idea that there are "red aligned" pollsters that get included in these is ridiculous. Oh, Rassmussen and Trafalgar are red-aligned?

They're actually some of the most accurate pollsters out there. They're pretty much THE reason that the RCP average was anywhere close to accurate in 2020 (and it wasn't that accurate). There aren't red-aligned pollsters. There are Democrat pollsters and then there are those trying to get it right (and I don't think they can get it right, least wrong is still wrong).

But, you do you, DU, thinking that polling suddenly doesn't mean anything. Jeez, they're probably still calling Quinnipac a Republican pollster.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:11 AM (GBKbO)

184
Granted, most Blacks will probably vote for Kamala, but BO's approach doesn't seem the best way to sell her candidacy.

If Harris only gets 63% it will be an early night...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2024 10:12 AM (oZhjI)

185 Dirty means they splash olive juice in there, right?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 10:12 AM (y31cs)

186 hey were the black women at?
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 10:09 AM (gbOdA)

A number of them seem to be on videos for Brandon Straka's "Walk Away" movement.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2024 10:12 AM (MQJVv)

187 179 I got an email from an old colleague of mine, "remember how scary she was?"

Yeah, I don't remember being scared as much as exasperated with her b.s.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 11, 2024 10:11 AM (RIvkX)

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I bet it's gotten much more mellow now that the stakes are infinitely higher, the attention significantly more intense, and the payoff so much greater.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:12 AM (GBKbO)

188 Polls are stupid and for strippers, I hate them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:11 AM (GBKbO)

Ever notice we talk a lot about shit we hate?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 10:12 AM (y31cs)

189 176 Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 10:07 AM (U8kCF)

Yes, because most urban Blacks are totally put off by a successful man who is straight talking and sometimes rude and has a way with the ladies./s

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2024 10:10 AM (MQJVv)

One of the greatest self-owns is the dems pursuing an obvious lawfare strategy against Trump, making him a sympathetic figure for a demographic that feels they've been unfairly treated by that very same system.

Especially when running against a woman who locked up quite a few black men in her state.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 10:13 AM (KbCG3)

190 Gas prices have really jumped in the last week or two. Most around here are $3.50 to $3.55. Just one week ago, I found $3.09.
Posted by: SMOD at October 11, 2024

***
I've noticed a .20 increase as well. Time to gas up tomorrow.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 10:13 AM (J2vNu)

191 Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 11, 2024 10:08 AM (JCZqz)

They're scared.

Posted by: BignJames at October 11, 2024 10:13 AM (Yj6Os)

192 On the economy under Trump: "The reason some people think, 'I remember that economy when he first came in being pretty good — yeah, it was pretty good because it was my economy!" Obama said.

"We had 75 straight months of job growth that I handed over to him," he added. "He didn't do nothing! Except those big tax cuts. His other big economic plan now is to slap tariffs on everything, from food to TVs."

The other side: Trump campaign national press secretary Karoline Leavitt told Fox News: "If anyone cared about what Obama says, Hillary Clinton would've been president."

Posted by: SMOD at October 11, 2024 10:13 AM (GITLP)

193 Obama's speech in Pennsylvania yesterday has got to be a joke. When he says one candidate is like you, went to school with and so on it shows how fake he is. He never had a black father, never went to school like them and nobody knows shit about him. He's got to be the fakest black guy on the tour.

Posted by: DanMan at October 11, 2024 10:13 AM (8uzBS)

194 Arsenio got a piece of Kummy? I knew about Montel but not Arsenio.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:13 AM (6GgRW)

195 Rosenberg is either going to be remarkably prescient, or it's going in the dictionary next to "Whistling Past the Graveyard."
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Everyone I know voted for Humphrey!

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 10:14 AM (CEzQx)

196 188 Polls are stupid and for strippers, I hate them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:11 AM (GBKbO)

Ever notice we talk a lot about shit we hate?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 10:12 AM (y31cs)

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It's hard to avoid them. There are so many. They seem like news.

I like how ace has been avoiding posts about them. He has his own reasons for it, but diminishing the exposure of polls in general is a good.

Amendment #28: All public policy and election polling is banned by pain of death.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:14 AM (GBKbO)

197 188 Polls are stupid and for strippers, I hate them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:11 AM (GBKbO)

Ever notice we talk a lot about shit we hate?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 10:12 AM (y31cs)

Counterpoint: boobs.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 10:15 AM (KbCG3)

198 #195 Ironically from NeverTrumper, John Podhoretz:

The clearest example of the bizarrely naive quality of hermetic liberal provincialism was attributed to the New Yorker film critic Pauline Kael almost 40 years ago, and has been discussed in right-wing circles ever since. It went something like this: “I can’t believe Nixon won. I don’t know anyone who voted for him.” Several years ago, I went on an admittedly desultory search for the original quote and was unable to locate it.

On Friday, on the New Yorker’s website, the magazine’s film editor Richard Brody offers what may be the first accurate version of the quote I’ve ever seen (I’m assuming it’s accurate because it comes from the New Yorker itself): “Pauline Kael famously commented, after the 1972 Presidential election, ‘I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don’t know. They’re outside my ken. But sometimes when I’m in a theater I can feel them.'”

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 10:15 AM (CEzQx)

199 This is a very nice painting. Much to look at and study plus the use of colors makes it even more interesting to me.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at October 11, 2024 10:15 AM (DIS3S)

200 Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 10:13 AM (KbCG3)

I don't know what will ultimately happen with the lawsuits against Donald Trump, but yes, I think it made him a more sympathetic figure to some people in the AA community.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2024 10:16 AM (MQJVv)

201 Barak was also doing that INCREDIBLY IRRITATING thing he always did when he says, "some say" or "some think" then he argues against that like he didn't just imagine it.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 10:09 AM (U8kCF)

Barky's house is full of faggy strawmen.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2024 10:17 AM (g8Ew8)

202 I wonder what that looks like in a skull? Probably not as good a presentation as when you are alive.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 09:51 AM (y31cs)

If you really want to see a creepy skull, find one of a child thst died before losing it's baby teeth.

Posted by: tankdemon at October 11, 2024 10:17 AM (FVLcK)

203 Polls can be useful for seeing by trends. Pick a pollster that releases polls on a regular basis and look in which direction it’s going. Assuming their methodology stays constant, even if it’s wrong in the raw numbers, at least the trend should, theoretically, be right.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:17 AM (6GgRW)

204 200 Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 10:13 AM (KbCG3)

I don't know what will ultimately happen with the lawsuits against Donald Trump, but yes, I think it made him a more sympathetic figure to some people in the AA community.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2024 10:16 AM (MQJVv)

Eye-opening moment back in the day listening to Rush. This was when the NBA Clippers' owner was being called a racist and pressured to sell the team.

Black guy called in and said the owner was being railroaded. The other owners hated him and wanted a different guy in there.

The black caller was completely right. I can't believe he's an outlier in terms of this type of thinking. Dems f'd up big time.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 10:18 AM (KbCG3)

205 203 Polls can be useful for seeing by trends. Pick a pollster that releases polls on a regular basis and look in which direction it’s going. Assuming their methodology stays constant, even if it’s wrong in the raw numbers, at least the trend should, theoretically, be right.
Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:17 AM (6GgRW)

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No.

Since pretty much everything released ends up in the margin of error, it's all essentially noise.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:18 AM (GBKbO)

206 This seems good. The Mullahs are turning against themselves:

Iran is reportedly interrogating one of its top generals after recent Israeli strikes nearly dismantled the command structure of the regime-backed Hezbollah terror group in Lebanon, Arab and Israeli media reports suggest.

The chief of the Quds Force, Iranian regime’s global terrorist arm, Esmail Qaani, has been taken into custody after an Israeli airstrike on Friday targeted and likely killed Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah’s projected successor, Hashem Safieddine.

~~via LegalInsurrection

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 11, 2024 10:19 AM (i+IM5)

207 Vanitas Still Life With The Spinario
Pieter Claesz

**************

The Typical Teen Serial Killer's Bedroom - a limerick

You've got a statue of a guy with a callus
A wine glass or some kind of chalice
A violin , skull, and feather
A breastplate made of leather
And nude pictures of the girl next door...Alice

Posted by: muldoon at October 11, 2024 10:20 AM (uCfKO)

208 As far as the painting-Very well done. I wouldn't want to hang it in my house, but the artist was quite a craftsman.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2024 10:20 AM (MQJVv)

209 Caught while watching porn.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at October 11, 2024 10:21 AM (ZtgZZ)

210 Hamas chief Yahya Sinwar is pushing for Palestinian terrorists to revive the horrifying practice of using suicide-bombs against Israelis — as the “megalomaniac” terror leader surrounds himself with hostages for his own protection, according to reports.

"You've managed to kill just about everyone else, but like a poor marksman you keep missing the target." -- James T Kirk, Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan

Posted by: SMOD at October 11, 2024 10:21 AM (GITLP)

211 Counterpoint: boobs.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 10:15 AM (KbCG3)

Valid.

https://tinyurl.com/55we8ybw

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 10:22 AM (y31cs)

212 Hamas chief Yahya Sinwar is pushing for Palestinian terrorists to revive the horrifying practice of using suicide-bombs against Israelis — as the “megalomaniac” terror leader surrounds himself with hostages for his own protection, according to reports.

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They just want a ceasefire and room to breathe to!!

Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:22 AM (6GgRW)

213 They just want a ceasefire and room to breathe to!!
Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:22 AM (6GgRW)

They just want to date Israel.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 10:23 AM (y31cs)

214 Since pretty much everything released ends up in the margin of error, it's all essentially noise.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:18 AM (GBKbO)

Yup. Just food for the chattering class.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2024 10:23 AM (g8Ew8)

215 Date Israel?

Just like Ike dated Tina?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 11, 2024 10:24 AM (SoKxa)

216 The fact that all campaigns rely on internal polls is proof that they know that the public polls are garbage. With all the unknowns about modeling the electorate, most public pollls right now probably have an error bar of +\- 10. Which means it’s dartboard time, wild ass guesses are as accurate as what they have.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2024 10:24 AM (Df/yq)

217 Hmmm...
Why is "Hamas chief" still stealing oxygen from humans?

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 11, 2024 10:24 AM (4XwPj)

218 Speaking of Hamas, my local college had a decent pro-Pali encampment last spring. So far this fall, nada. I guess the yuutes have moved on to the next shiny woke object to be enraged about.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:25 AM (6GgRW)

219 212 They just want a ceasefire and room to breathe to!!
Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:22 AM (6GgRW)

Hands Up Don't Gang Rape, Roast Live Babies!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2024 10:25 AM (x0n13)

220 ABC News @ABC 8h
Two U.S. Navy SEALs drowned during a nighttime boat raid off the coast of Somalia last January because their personal gear was too heavy, causing them to sink almost immediately upon hitting the water, according to the results of a military investigation.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 10:25 AM (CEzQx)

221 Twenty-seven-year-old Nasir Ahmad Tawhedi

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Wait. His name is Towel Heady? And that wasn't a clue?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2024 10:25 AM (L/fGl)

222 I bet it's gotten much more mellow now that the stakes are infinitely higher, the attention significantly more intense, and the payoff so much greater.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:12 AM (GBKbO)
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Even 25 years ago, my sense is that both she and Gavin thought they would be President one day.

One ghetto fixer called me after Gavin was elected mayor and said, "they are gonna make that muthaf*cker President!"

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 11, 2024 10:26 AM (RIvkX)

223 Valid. Daisy Duke. Erin Grey in Buck Rogers. Samantha Fox.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 10:09 AM (y31cs)

Erin Grey made me harder than cashin my mamas welfare check

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 10:26 AM (gbOdA)

224 221 Twenty-seven-year-old Nasir Ahmad Tawhedi

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Wait. His name is Towel Heady? And that wasn't a clue?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2024 10:25 AM (L/fGl)

Last name "Lamar?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2024 10:26 AM (x0n13)

225 216 The fact that all campaigns rely on internal polls is proof that they know that the public polls are garbage. With all the unknowns about modeling the electorate, most public pollls right now probably have an error bar of +\- 10. Which means it’s dartboard time, wild ass guesses are as accurate as what they have.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2024 10:24 AM (Df/yq)

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The margin of error listed on a poll is for each individual data point.

So, a 3.5% margin of error? That means that the results of the spread could be 7 points against each other within the first standard deviation. 48-48 because anywhere from 44.5-51.5 to 51.5-44.5. So, the next poll showing it 47-49? Is that movement? Not statistically. That's just statistical noise...by definition. It's within the previous margin of error.

Public polling on elections is beyond fucked, and I really wish people would be far more dismissive of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:27 AM (GBKbO)

226 220 ABC News @ABC 8h
Two U.S. Navy SEALs drowned during a nighttime boat raid off the coast of Somalia last January because their personal gear was too heavy, causing them to sink almost immediately upon hitting the water, according to the results of a military investigation.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 10:25 AM (CEzQx)

Damn. That is horrible.

Don't they train with this gear? Find any buoyancy issues in a controlled setting?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 10:27 AM (y31cs)

227 222 Even 25 years ago, my sense is that both she and Gavin thought they would be President one day.

One ghetto fixer called me after Gavin was elected mayor and said, "they are gonna make that muthaf*cker President!"
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 11, 2024 10:26 AM (RIvkX)

========

Not if the primary schedule has anything to do with it!

*Democrats completely tear up the entire primary process*

Well, that's one way around that problem...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:27 AM (GBKbO)

228 Probably the most amusing/annoying “poll” I saw was on X; some clown had this big write up about”Kamala will win these swing states!” So I looked more closely to see his methodology, and turns out he didn’t exactly poll anyone; he divines electoral outcomes through study of Vedic Astrology. (Yes he said that)

Just go away.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2024 10:27 AM (Df/yq)

229 228 Probably the most amusing/annoying “poll” I saw was on X; some clown had this big write up about”Kamala will win these swing states!” So I looked more closely to see his methodology, and turns out he didn’t exactly poll anyone; he divines electoral outcomes through study of Vedic Astrology. (Yes he said that)

Just go away.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2024 10:27 AM (Df/yq)

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Vedic Astrology > Quinnipac.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:28 AM (GBKbO)

230 They're scared.
Posted by: BignJames

203 Polls can be useful for seeing by trends.
Posted by: Settled Science

No. Since pretty much everything released ends up in the margin of error, it's all essentially noise.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I have to disagree the TJM here. We'll see if my optimism is misplaced in under 30 days, but polling currently has me very confident in a Trump win, and it IS based on trends that I think are reliable enough.

Harris, while beating Trump in polls the last few months, has consistently been several points behind where Hillary and Biden polled in 2016 and 2020. It may be confirmation bias, but I think everything else supports the idea that Harris is a worse candidate, or at least has less support than either of those two.

And, as polling is fake and gay, and pollster have to actually try and get close to the final result to save credibility (as they did in 2016 and 2020), they have no room to move and still help Harris look competitive. I think she's toast, everyone knows it, and they're trying to gradually break the news.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 11, 2024 10:28 AM (JCZqz)

231 Why would you have a sculpture of a dude looking for blisters on the bottom of his foot?

(Or maybe he stepped on a LEGO...)

Who would sculpt that in the first place?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 11, 2024 10:28 AM (7fElN)

232 Last name "Lamar?"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2024 10:26 AM (x0n13)

Reminder, Hedy Lamarr:

https://tinyurl.com/yyveevur

Damn.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 10:29 AM (y31cs)

233 Declaration of Memes @LibertyCappy 12h
I’m listening.

https://tinyurl.com/4arkzjjs
[Trump's unprecedented campaign pitch: Elect me to get revenge on the government]

Political Blasphememes @PBlasphememes
Replying to @LibertyCappy
The fact that this resonates with so many should be a stark warning to the government.

Feral Citizen @fphodge16
ABC really, really doesn’t understand how much the majority of people in this this country hate the government in its current form.

Cat Master @CatMaster81
ABC actively campaigning for Trump now.

John T Richards @taddeo_5
They think overall this hurts him😂. Government has an 8% approval

SHTFisComing @qqnoob1
Stop. I can't support him more than I am now. It's been more than 4 hours and I need to see a doctor

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 10:29 AM (CEzQx)

234 Don't they train with this gear? Find any buoyancy issues in a controlled setting?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 10:27 AM (y31cs)

They had DEI training that week.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2024 10:29 AM (g8Ew8)

235 Public polling on elections is beyond fucked, and I really wish people would be far more dismissive of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:27 AM (GBKbO)

Public education on public polling on elections is beyond fucked.

Posted by: Terrorists at October 11, 2024 10:29 AM (i24o9)

236 Starship being stacked now for liftoff. Probably this weekend.

Beautiful morning in Boca.
Posted by: ASHQ insult factory at October 11, 2024 09:51 AM

Bora is going to be rock and rolling?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 11, 2024 10:29 AM (elO/o)

237 "That's Hedley!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 11, 2024 10:29 AM (SoKxa)

238 Public polling on elections is beyond fucked, and I really wish people would be far more dismissive of it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:27 AM (GBKbO)

Might as well read tea leaves, chicken entrails, that kind of thing.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2024 10:30 AM (Aqu9a)

239 Iposs releases polls regularly. Usually around once a week. The last 3 have had Kummy up 6, then 3 then 2.

I see that as movement.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:30 AM (6GgRW)

240 230 I have to disagree the TJM here. We'll see if my optimism is misplaced in under 30 days, but polling currently has me very confident in a Trump win, and it IS based on trends that I think are reliable enough.

Harris, while beating Trump in polls the last few months, has consistently been several points behind where Hillary and Biden polled in 2016 and 2020. It may be confirmation bias, but I think everything else supports the idea that Harris is a worse candidate, or at least has less support than either of those two.

And, as polling is fake and gay, and pollster have to actually try and get close to the final result to save credibility (as they did in 2016 and 2020), they have no room to move and still help Harris look competitive. I think she's toast, everyone knows it, and they're trying to gradually break the news.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 11, 2024 10:28 AM (JCZqz)

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Quinnipac was off by A LOT in 2020.

Quinnipac is considered one of the best pollsters by people like 538.

Accuracy doesn't matter in the polling game.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:30 AM (GBKbO)

241 However, the idea that there are "red aligned" pollsters that get included in these is ridiculous. Oh, Rassmussen and Trafalgar are red-aligned?
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Kinda like how there are no Republican or Democrat judges.

Until a decision comes they don't like.

Which is to say, if their claim was honest and valid, they would demand left-alignrd pollsters be excluded as well.
Oh, and when all these outfits were showing Biden winning, what were they then?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 11, 2024 10:31 AM (dyzNv)

242 Maybe Democrats should divine Hillary's entrails.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 11, 2024 10:31 AM (SoKxa)

243 Probably the most amusing/annoying “poll” I saw was on X; some clown had this big write up about”Kamala will win these swing states!” So I looked more closely to see his methodology, and turns out he didn’t exactly poll anyone; he divines electoral outcomes through study of Vedic Astrology. (Yes he said that)

Just go away.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2024 10:27 AM (Df/yq)
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At least he's trying something different.

I'm curious to see what the chicken entrails reveal...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 11, 2024 10:31 AM (7fElN)

244 Most of Hezbollah’s cash and gold reserves were destroyed in Israel’s recent strike that eliminated the Hezbollah leader at their headquarters. An estimated $1.5 billion in cash was incinerated, and 2,000 pounds of gold.

You should have put up your treasures in Heaven.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 10:31 AM (gbOdA)

245 The chief of the Quds Force, Iranian regime’s global terrorist arm, Esmail Qaani, has been taken into custody...

Maybe they can extract and analyze the Jooo mind control device implanted deep in his brain. Just a suggestion.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 11, 2024 10:31 AM (/y8xj)

246 Maybe Democrats should divine Hillary's entrails.

Divine, divide, whatever it takes.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 11, 2024 10:31 AM (xCA6C)

247 The SEALs did t know what weight was too much to swim with. But damn it they knew the correct use of pronouns.

And really that’s what matters.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:32 AM (6GgRW)

248 https://tinyurl.com/4arkzjjs

Inshallah.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 11, 2024 10:32 AM (RIvkX)

249 239 Iposs releases polls regularly. Usually around once a week. The last 3 have had Kummy up 6, then 3 then 2.

I see that as movement.
Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:30 AM (6GgRW)

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Within the margin of error.

Also...the whole rank of assumptions about what they're doing and how they got there is an open question.

Were they trying to be right when they got 6 as well as the others? Were they trying to be wrong and support a narrative at one point before then herding around a more reasonable result?

Does the electorate really swing 4 points in a few weeks this late in an election? If you believe that, I've got some bridges for sale.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:32 AM (GBKbO)

250 Most of Hezbollah’s cash and gold reserves were destroyed in Israel’s recent strike that eliminated the Hezbollah leader at their headquarters. An estimated $1.5 billion in cash was incinerated, and 2,000 pounds of gold.

You should have put up your treasures in Heaven.

How does gold get incinerated? Do you mean it melted, and therefore there is a really valuable slag heap somewhere now?

Posted by: Archimedes at October 11, 2024 10:33 AM (xCA6C)

251 Kamala has rounded up a bunch of sorry looking scallywags.

https://x.com/Timcast/status/
1844710251536261355

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 10:33 AM (gbOdA)

252 Ha, ha!

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · 2h
Obama admits a total lack of enthusiasm for Kamala, especially with Black Men. I think Obama will be voting for me because he doesn’t like the fact that Kamala is an extremely Low IQ Person!

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 10:33 AM (CEzQx)

253 When you've tried the rest, come back to the best!

Posted by: Magic 8 Ball Polling at October 11, 2024 10:33 AM (Aqu9a)

254 They had DEI training that week.
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They were carrying the new DEI Acceptable Pronoun Usage book.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 10:34 AM (CEzQx)

255 Do you mean it melted, and therefore there is a really valuable slag heap somewhere now?
Posted by: Archimedes at October 11, 2024 10:33 AM (xCA6C)

hey can I borrow you metal detector?

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 10:34 AM (gbOdA)

256 Public polling on elections is beyond fucked, and I really wish people would be far more dismissive of it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:27 AM

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You're welcome.

Posted by: Caller ID at October 11, 2024 10:35 AM (wzAuc)

257 Hmmm...
Why is "Hamas chief" still stealing oxygen from humans?
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at October 11, 2024 10:24 AM (4XwPj)

A year ago, that guy was probably the janitor in Hamas Headquarters.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 11, 2024 10:35 AM (+uHnC)

258 Nice painting. Messy. Would nang.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 11, 2024 10:35 AM (UJ9QF)

259 Regardless of skill, I view such paintings as ultimately silly and pointless.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 11, 2024 10:35 AM (mIbNo)

260 If you know for sure that the final two data points in an election result are going to be somewhere between 45 and 55, how hard is it to get close?

If I threw darts at a dartboard with the numbers 45 to 55 on it randomly, how far off would I get from the actual result of the election?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:35 AM (GBKbO)

261 I'm curious to see what the chicken entrails reveal...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 11, 2024 10:31 AM (7fElN)

gizzards and livers

Posted by: BignJames at October 11, 2024 10:35 AM (Yj6Os)

262 Does the electorate really swing 4 points in a few weeks this late in an election? If you believe that, I've got some bridges for sale.

—-

Lots of LIVs flip a coin before voting. So yeah I don’t doubt it can flip like that. It’s only 2% switching sides to get a 4% swing after all.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:35 AM (6GgRW)

263 Most of Hezbollah’s cash and gold reserves were destroyed in Israel’s recent strike that eliminated the Hezbollah leader at their headquarters. An estimated $1.5 billion in cash was incinerated, and 2,000 pounds of gold.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 11, 2024 10:31 AM (gbOdA)

Gold doesn't incinerate. It's laying around there somewhere.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2024 10:36 AM (g8Ew8)

264 256
You're welcome.
Posted by: Caller ID at October 11, 2024 10:35 AM (wzAuc)

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Much easier to get an actually random sample when everyone had a landline and no Caller ID.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:36 AM (GBKbO)

265 Just go away.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2024 10:27 AM (Df/yq)
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At least he's trying something different.

I'm curious to see what the chicken entrails reveal...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 11, 2024 10:31 AM (7fElN)

At least he did not go with preference cascade.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 11, 2024 10:36 AM (i24o9)

266 Public polling on elections is beyond fucked, and I really wish people would be far more dismissive of it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:27 AM

You're welcome.
Posted by: Caller ID at October 11, 2024 10:35 AM (wzAuc)

Bbbbbut, muh landline!

Posted by: BurtTC at October 11, 2024 10:36 AM (mIbNo)

267 How the heck does one step on a thorn?

**********

Goat heads aka Tribulus terrestris

Posted by: muldoon at October 11, 2024 10:37 AM (uCfKO)

268 ‘Demonstration of Ignorance’: Anti-Israel Installation Riddled With Falsehoods Stands in Harvard Yard

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For centuries, Harvard's motto has been "Veritas;" i.e. "Truth" but they're not fanatical about it.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2024 10:37 AM (L/fGl)

269 250 Most of Hezbollah’s cash and gold reserves were destroyed in Israel’s recent strike that eliminated the Hezbollah leader at their headquarters. An estimated $1.5 billion in cash was incinerated, and 2,000 pounds of gold.

You should have put up your treasures in Heaven.

Since they’re funded by Iran, most of that cash probably came from the pallets we sent over there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2024 10:37 AM (Df/yq)

270 262 Does the electorate really swing 4 points in a few weeks this late in an election? If you believe that, I've got some bridges for sale.

—-

Lots of LIVs flip a coin before voting. So yeah I don’t doubt it can flip like that. It’s only 2% switching sides to get a 4% swing after all.
Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:35 AM (6GgRW)
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No, they don't. To believe that 2 million people are swinging their opinions back and forth all the time is silly nonsense. "Well, I was gonna vote for Trump, but then I saw a Kamala ad...but wait...now I saw a Trump ad."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:37 AM (GBKbO)

271 I'm curious to see what the chicken entrails reveal...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

And waste perfectly good entrails?!?!? What kind of animals are you?

Posted by: Springfield Haitians at October 11, 2024 10:37 AM (JCZqz)

272 Counterpoint: boobs.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 10:15 AM

We hates them.

Posted by: Lindsay G. at October 11, 2024 10:37 AM (elO/o)

273 Next on History: The Search for Hezbollah's Gold.

"I think we're really close guys. This is a burned goat penis inscribed with Koran verses...."

Posted by: History TV at October 11, 2024 10:38 AM (CEzQx)

274 Lots of LIVs flip a coin before voting. So yeah I don’t doubt it can flip like that. It’s only 2% switching sides to get a 4% swing after all.
Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:35 AM (6GgRW)

But the coin they flip tends to be "do I vote or don't I." It's not between one candidate who charms them one day, and the other who puts out a particular sick burn ad the next.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 11, 2024 10:38 AM (mIbNo)

275 Obama seemed stoned or something....

Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2024 10:39 AM (IyPmt)

276 If polling were a total throw of darts the there should be a much wider range of results. You should have polls showing Trump up 8 or Kummy up 14. But you don’t. They’re all more or less in the same small band.

Is that a coincidence? Or are polls accurate-ish and they all give the same general results.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:39 AM (6GgRW)

277 No, they don't. To believe that 2 million people are swinging their opinions back and forth all the time is silly nonsense. "Well, I was gonna vote for Trump, but then I saw a Kamala ad...but wait...now I saw a Trump ad."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:37 AM (GBKbO)

Ok, I'm going to work. I don't see the point of both of us saying the exact same damn thing!

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!

Posted by: BurtTC at October 11, 2024 10:39 AM (mIbNo)

278 If I threw darts at a dartboard with the numbers 45 to 55 on it randomly, how far off would I get from the actual result of the election?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:35 AM (GBKbO)

Put out a whole bunch of predictions, and after the election only talk about the one that was closest, and claim you’ve got magic darts.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2024 10:39 AM (Df/yq)

279 274 But the coin they flip tends to be "do I vote or don't I." It's not between one candidate who charms them one day, and the other who puts out a particular sick burn ad the next.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 11, 2024 10:38 AM (mIbNo)

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What you're talking about is levels of turnout, which is probably the best way to measure an electorate.

Except, that's not what pollsters do. At all.

They get their data. They massage their data to reflect the electorate that they think will show up, and then they start statistics.

It's junk. It's the worst kinds of statistical modeling possible, and I'm including sociology majors in that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:40 AM (GBKbO)

280 I also don't think most black men consider Obama a "Brotha".. He's too effeminate

Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2024 10:40 AM (IyPmt)

281 Kamala has rounded up a bunch of sorry looking scallywags.

https://x.com/Timcast/status/
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Posted by: rhennigantx

Scoundrels!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2024 10:40 AM (L/fGl)

282 Obama seemed stoned or something....
Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2024 10:39 AM (IyPmt)

Well, then he and Kamala have something in common aside from being leftists and being of mixed race..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2024 10:41 AM (MQJVv)

283 Real Mac Report @RealMacReport 1h
ABC Reporter: "Would you have done anything differently than Biden over the past four years?"

Tim Walz: "Kamala's values have not changed."

Reporter: "So Biden has done everything right?"

Tim Walz: "Yes."

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 10:41 AM (CEzQx)

284 Most of Hezbollah’s cash and gold reserves were destroyed in Israel’s recent strike that eliminated the Hezbollah leader at their headquarters. An estimated $1.5 billion in cash was incinerated, and 2,000 pounds of gold.

Presuming those were USD it will ever so slightly reduce inflation.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2024 10:41 AM (oZhjI)

285 The fact that all campaigns rely on internal polls is proof that they know that the public polls are garbage. With all the unknowns about modeling the electorate, most public pollls right now probably have an error bar of +\- 10. Which means it’s dartboard time, wild ass guesses are as accurate as what they have.
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They do have to know where to spend money.
And where to go.
The best polling is for actually talking to persuadable voters.
Who is reaching out?
Who are they targeting?
That's the best indicator of internal polling.
TBH, that's a hard thing. As they also mix false moves in to camouflage.
But it's really, which is the better path to overwhelming victory?
Trump is focused on non-college vs. Harris on collage.
Trump's is bigger but less likely to vote vs. Harris is much smaller but certain to vote.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 11, 2024 10:41 AM (dyzNv)

286 276 If polling were a total throw of darts the there should be a much wider range of results. You should have polls showing Trump up 8 or Kummy up 14. But you don’t. They’re all more or less in the same small band.

Is that a coincidence? Or are polls accurate-ish and they all give the same general results.
Posted by: Settled Science at October 11, 2024 10:39 AM (6GgRW)

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First, they were like that in 2020. Complete fucking nonsense.

Second, if you know that the result is going to be between 45-55, how hard is it to model your data so it comes in there. If you end with a result of 46-50 and the final result is 47-49, are you considered wildly off? No, of course not. Very close!

But the actual range of possible answers is very limited.

Also, modeling of data is a garbage result. Seriously, the actual math of the statistics behind polling is garbage.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:42 AM (GBKbO)

287 262 Does the electorate really swing 4 points in a few weeks this late in an election? If you believe that, I've got some bridges for sale.

Oh, I don't think the VOTERS actually switch their positions, but the polling firms change their released results of polls. I stand somewhat corrected by TJM...2020 and 2016 polling didn't tighten as much, or as early, as I recalled..just a few points, and for many firms, just a week or two before the election. It did shift a few points to the right both times, however, and the actual results both times were further right than projected, so I think the general point and optimism still stands, however.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 11, 2024 10:42 AM (JCZqz)

288 It's junk. It's the worst kinds of statistical modeling possible, and I'm including sociology majors in that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:40 AM (GBKbO)

It's funny because Sociology majors wouldn't even know if your throwing shade here.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 11, 2024 10:42 AM (i24o9)

289 How the heck does one step on a thorn?

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Goat heads aka Tribulus terrestris
Posted by: muldoon at October 11, 2024 10:37 AM (uCfKO)

Heh. Goatheads and sandburrs. The bane of barefoot children in my part of the country.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2024 10:42 AM (g8Ew8)

290 278 Put out a whole bunch of predictions, and after the election only talk about the one that was closest, and claim you’ve got magic darts.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2024 10:39 AM (Df/yq)

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My favorite thing is people defending the RCP average in one breath and damning Rassmussen and Trafalgar in the next.

Both are in the damn RCP average.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:42 AM (GBKbO)

291 276 If polling were a total throw of darts the there should be a much wider range of results. You should have polls showing Trump up 8 or Kummy up 14. But you don’t. They’re all more or less in the same small band.”

That’s only because of they get a result like that, they figure it must be wrong so they change their electorate modeling factors and bring it back into the range they expect. Their goal is to make their results look plausible, not accurate.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2024 10:42 AM (Df/yq)

292 I think Obama is looking old and emaciated.

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at October 11, 2024 10:42 AM (FfSAJ)

293 Kamala has rounded up a bunch of sorry looking scallywags/i]

The fat cowboy looks like he knows a lot more about hohos then he does about cows.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2024 10:43 AM (oZhjI)

294 I'm hoping that some of the aholes that can't stomach Trump also can't stomach the cackling moron. That happened with Hillary. They just don't vote.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 10:43 AM (U8kCF)

295 Clint Russell @LibertyLockPod 17h
"Guns don't protect our free speech"
Less than a minute later...
"Guns, from what I can tell, seem to mostly protect the speech of the people holding the guns"
Jon Stewart, you are an idiot

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 10:43 AM (CEzQx)

296 The Search for Hezbollah’s Gold?

Oak Island, here we come!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 11, 2024 10:44 AM (v6JzV)

297 think Obama is looking old and emaciated.

Mooch is eating all the food.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 10:44 AM (U8kCF)

298 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2024 10:40 AM (L/fGl)

Varied group of professional actors they have there.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2024 10:44 AM (MQJVv)

299 ‘Demonstration of Ignorance’: Anti-Israel Installation Riddled With Falsehoods Stands in Harvard Yard

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For centuries, Harvard's motto has been "Veritas;" i.e. "Truth" but they're not fanatical about it.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2024 10:37 AM (L/fGl)

It's more what you call Guidelines than motto

Posted by: Havahd at October 11, 2024 10:44 AM (Aqu9a)

300 Kinda surprised obama doesn't dye his hair

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 11, 2024 10:44 AM (U8kCF)

301 Leftists freaking out about government weather control conspiracy theories "You're an insane wacko, the government can't control the weather".

Also leftists for the past 50 years : "Stop using your lawn mower! You're changing the weather!"

Posted by: theATL at October 11, 2024 10:45 AM (BYfP9)

302 The range of possible results in a presidential election isn't between 0 and 100. It's between 45 and 55, at most. It's more like 47 and 53.

Since we know that firms model their data (it's in all of their methodologies), we know that they're trying to get results that they think will be accurate. They're not relying on data to tell them. They're relying on their modeling to be accurate.

So...what's the point of even collecting the data?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:45 AM (GBKbO)

303 292 I think Obama is looking old and emaciated.
Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at October 11, 2024 10:42 AM (FfSAJ)

Eddie Murphy with the Jamaican accent:

"We bring you de AIDS mon!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2024 10:45 AM (x0n13)

304 Heh. Goatheads and sandburrs. The bane of barefoot children in my part of the country.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacon

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And they wreaked havoc on bicycle tires.

Posted by: muldoon at October 11, 2024 10:45 AM (uCfKO)

305 But for sure, Harris is playing it safe, going for easy votes.

Trump is swinging for the fences.

I will also add, the Harris voters are completely clueless about who Trump voters are and why they are supporting him.
They do not know friends or even friends of friends they can bring to the polls with them that aren't already committed.

IMHO, Trump voters do know and need to be pushed hard to get their friends and family out to vote.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 11, 2024 10:46 AM (dyzNv)

306 If there's a viable third party, we use rochambeau.

Posted by: Dart Tossers and Coin Flippers Polling Group at October 11, 2024 10:46 AM (wzAuc)

307 It's funny because Sociology majors wouldn't even know if your throwing shade here.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 11, 2024 10:42 AM

Opportunity to sock BEN ROETHLISBERGER missed. Mark in Permanent Record and removal of Prometheus mentioning capability for three Threads.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 11, 2024 10:46 AM (elO/o)

308 301 Leftists freaking out about government weather control conspiracy theories "You're an insane wacko, the government can't control the weather".

Also leftists for the past 50 years : "Stop using your lawn mower! You're changing the weather!"
Posted by: theATL at October 11, 2024 10:45 AM (BYfP9)

Wait, they never heard of Jooz!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2024 10:46 AM (x0n13)

309 The fact that all campaigns rely on internal polls is proof that they know that the public polls are garbage.

But also, it shows that polling DOES generate meaningful data. It's just that PUBLIC polling uses data manipulation (justified as various weightings for accuracy) to use the polls for purposed other than an accurate prediction of the electorate. As savvy Morons, we should try to look through the manipulation and see what the original data was showing.

It's like all the global temperature readings. There's probably valuable, meaningful data (and analysis thereof) to be had...just because assholes like Michael Mann and NOAA manipulate it and hide the raw data doesn't mean temperature sampling is inherently inaccurate or meaningless.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 11, 2024 10:47 AM (JCZqz)

310

So where do I go to finally see this Permanent Record Card that my teachers perpetually threatened us about?!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2024 10:48 AM (x0n13)

311 For centuries, Harvard's motto has been "Veritas;" i.e. "Truth" but they're not fanatical about it.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2024 10:37 AM (L/fGl)

It's more what you call Guidelines than motto
Posted by: Havahd at October 11, 2024 10:44 AM (Aqu9a)

Their new motto: Somewhat Around the Margin of Error.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2024 10:48 AM (g8Ew8)

312 So...what's the point of even collecting the data?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:45 AM (GBKbO)

I honestly wonder how many have realized that and just skip that part.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2024 10:48 AM (Df/yq)

313 312 So...what's the point of even collecting the data?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:45 AM (GBKbO)

I honestly wonder how many have realized that and just skip that part.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2024 10:48 AM (Df/yq)

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Wait...are you implying that there might be...gasp!...fraud in an unregulated industry with millions of dollars flowing through it from interested parties trying to manipulate the masses into directions the paymasters want?

Inconceivable!

It's impossible! If you use math, that means you can't do fraud!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:50 AM (GBKbO)

314 They're relying on their modeling to be accurate.

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Ooh, ooh ooh...

Now do COVID!

Posted by: muldoon at October 11, 2024 10:50 AM (uCfKO)

315 294 I'm hoping that some of the aholes that can't stomach Trump also can't stomach the cackling moron. That happened with Hillary. They just don't vote.
Posted by: dagny

That certainly seems to be a big Dem fear with the Black voters, and especially the Muslim voters in places like Michigan.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 11, 2024 10:50 AM (JCZqz)

316 They're relying on their modeling to be accurate.
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That's the part that makes public polling garbage:
There is no way for them to account for their bias from watching the news that bleeds into their determination of likely voters.

Can you think of a polling firm that boasts their modelers watch or read no news?

Otherwise it's impossible for that not to color their model determination.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 11, 2024 10:50 AM (dyzNv)

317 314 They're relying on their modeling to be accurate.

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Ooh, ooh ooh...

Now do COVID!
Posted by: muldoon at October 11, 2024 10:50 AM (uCfKO)
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Take the red pill, and see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:50 AM (GBKbO)

318
I think Obama is looking old and emaciated.
Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at October 11, 2024 10:42 AM (FfSAJ)

Cocaine's a hellova drug, man.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 11, 2024 10:51 AM (+uHnC)

319 316 That's the part that makes public polling garbage:
There is no way for them to account for their bias from watching the news that bleeds into their determination of likely voters.

Can you think of a polling firm that boasts their modelers watch or read no news?

Otherwise it's impossible for that not to color their model determination.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 11, 2024 10:50 AM (dyzNv)

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It stems from the real problem that they can't get a random sample of the electorate. It'd take too much time and too much money to do it.

With response rates at 9%, they'd have to call something like 100,000 people to get a 10,000 sample that MIGHT be random.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:51 AM (GBKbO)

320 So where do I go to finally see this Permanent Record Card that my teachers perpetually threatened us about?!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2024

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The School Board ordered them destroyed after [fill in natural disaster name here].

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 10:51 AM (J2vNu)

321 272 Counterpoint: boobs.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 10:15 AM

We hates them.
Posted by: Lindsay G. at October 11, 2024 10:37 AM (elO/o)

Counterpoint: moobs.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 10:51 AM (KbCG3)

322 Looks like Diddy was denied bail so suicide, er, I mean "suicide," remains on the table.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 11, 2024 10:52 AM (JkO4W)

323 309 The fact that all campaigns rely on internal polls is proof that they know that the public polls are garbage.

But also, it shows that polling DOES generate meaningful data. It's just that PUBLIC polling uses data manipulation (justified as various weightings for accuracy) to use the polls for purposed other than an accurate prediction of the electorate. As savvy Morons, we should try to look through the manipulation and see what the original data was showing.

...
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Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 11, 2024 10:47 AM (JCZqz)

TL;DR version: watch what campaigns do, not what they say.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 11, 2024 10:52 AM (9dZDS)

324 322 Looks like Diddy was denied bail so suicide, er, I mean "suicide," remains on the table.
Posted by: Cicero

That's not all he left on the table.

Posted by: Diddy's Dinner Table, covered in baby oil and suction cup dildos at October 11, 2024 10:53 AM (JCZqz)

325 The School Board ordered them destroyed after [fill in natural disaster name here].
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 10:51 AM (J2vNu)

Well that's a relief. I can die with dignity now.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2024 10:54 AM (g8Ew8)

326 Hell we can't even get election results that are accurate.
And that should be 100%.
Lol.

But we think polling is close?

As JM mentioned, only the Gallup survey has ever had any useful predictive accuracy.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 11, 2024 10:54 AM (dyzNv)

327 283 Real Mac Report @RealMacReport 1h
ABC Reporter: "Would you have done anything differently than Biden over the past four years?"

Tim Walz: "Kamala's values have not changed."

Reporter: "So Biden has done everything right?"

Tim Walz: "Yes."
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at October 11, 2024 10:41 AM (CEzQx)

How hard would it be to say, "We were facing unprecedented challenges in 2021. Joe wasn't perfect, but he did a great job through such a tumultuous time. Things are trending positively and we need to keep that momentum going."

Apparently, very.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024 10:54 AM (KbCG3)

328 I would like to see the ads for actors for Kamala commercials. Way back before the internet they would be in "Variety" or "Backstage". I guess they're mostly online now.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2024 10:54 AM (MQJVv)

329 310

So where do I go to finally see this Permanent Record Card that my teachers perpetually threatened us about?!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2024 10:48 AM

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[[Looks up. Opens file drawer. Removes card labeled "JJ." Stares at camera and taps quill in inkwell.]]

Posted by: Myrtle Turner, JJ's third-grade teacher at October 11, 2024 10:54 AM (wzAuc)

330 Looks like The Spinario starts a lot of things, but never finishes them.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 11, 2024 10:55 AM (Z34Ix)

331 Speaking of School Board records . . . I started school at age seven instead of six, and my teacher realized I could read and thus gave me a field promotion to second grade. The next summer I had to go to the School Board office (I think it was that) for IQ and/or aptitude tests to see if I qualified to be in third grade. I've wondered for years what the results were.

No way, I'm sure, to check, as this was umpty-ump years ago, before computerization, and the people who tested me are probably long dead.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 10:55 AM (J2vNu)

332 326 As JM mentioned, only the Gallup survey has ever had any useful predictive accuracy.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 11, 2024 10:54 AM (dyzNv)

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It's certainly more accurate than pretty much any pollster over the past 20 years.

But it's dismissed for reasons.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:55 AM (GBKbO)

333 290 278 Put out a whole bunch of predictions, and after the election only talk about the one that was closest, and claim you’ve got magic darts.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2024 10:39 AM (Df/yq)

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My favorite thing is people defending the RCP average in one breath and damning Rassmussen and Trafalgar in the next.

Both are in the damn RCP average.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:42 AM (GBKbO)

Savvy campaigns game the RCP averages by taking garbage, heavily skewed polls and throwing them in the RCP mix.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 11, 2024 10:55 AM (9dZDS)

334
My favorite thing is people defending the RCP average in one breath and damning Rassmussen and Trafalgar in the next.

Both are in the damn RCP average.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:42 AM

But they are 'down weighted' - as in instead of being one vote, they're like .4 of a vote. Nasty stuff.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 11, 2024 10:55 AM (RKVpM)

335 334 But they are 'down weighted' - as in instead of being one vote, they're like .4 of a vote. Nasty stuff.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 11, 2024 10:55 AM (RKVpM)

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I don't think RCP does that. I know 538 does that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:56 AM (GBKbO)

336 TL;DR version: watch what campaigns do, not what they say.
Posted by: Darrell Harris

Of course, Trump especially is hard to gauge. Why is he doing a rally in Madison Square Garden? Does he really think NY is in play? Does he think he's so far ahead he can work for the popular vote, or to help down ballot Republicans? Does he think the big event, nationally broadcast, will help him in battleground states?

Does he just like NY, big crowds, and the spectacle of a MSG rally? Who the heck knows with Trump lol

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 11, 2024 10:56 AM (JCZqz)

337
@TheBabylonBee
What A Jerk! Kamala Wants To Help With Hurricane Relief But DeSantis Refuses To Tell Her Where Florida Is

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 11, 2024 10:56 AM (RKVpM)

338 336 Of course, Trump especially is hard to gauge. Why is he doing a rally in Madison Square Garden? Does he really think NY is in play? Does he think he's so far ahead he can work for the popular vote, or to help down ballot Republicans? Does he think the big event, nationally broadcast, will help him in battleground states?

Does he just like NY, big crowds, and the spectacle of a MSG rally? Who the heck knows with Trump lol
Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 11, 2024 10:56 AM (JCZqz)

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It's not the action of a campaign that thinks its behind, for sure.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 11, 2024 10:56 AM (GBKbO)

339 Since they’re funded by Iran, most of that cash probably came from the pallets we sent over there.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2024 10:37 AM

So you're saying the Israelis have done more than the Biden administration to lower inflation by reducing the money supply? /s

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 11, 2024 10:57 AM (kgE5c)

340 How hard would it be to say, "We were facing unprecedented challenges in 2021. Joe wasn't perfect, but he did a great job through such a tumultuous time. Things are trending positively and we need to keep that momentum going."

Apparently, very.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 11, 2024

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Neither Timmy nor Kammie-Ha-Ha is very bright and only know what they have been programmed to say. Thinking on the fly is strictly discouraged and staying with The Narrative is rewarded.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 10:57 AM (J2vNu)

341 Kinda surprised obama doesn't dye his hair
Posted by: dagny, first of her name

To rainbow streaks?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2024 10:58 AM (L/fGl)

342 93 Obama's speech in Pennsylvania yesterday has got to be a joke. When he says one candidate is like you, went to school with and so on it shows how fake he is. He never had a black father, never went to school like them and nobody knows shit about him. He's got to be the fakest black guy on the tour.
Posted by: DanMan at October 11, 2024 10:13 AM (8uzBS)

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When growing up I lived in the projects sometimes, we were on food stamps. I’m more black than Obama.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 11, 2024 10:58 AM (GC3wC)

343 For centuries, Harvard's motto has been "Veritas;" i.e. "Truth" but they're not fanatical about it.

In vino, veritas.

Posted by: t-bird at October 11, 2024 10:59 AM (LTIZV)

344 Speech bubble for the back breastplate at the lower left of the painting:

"COME BACK! IT'S MERELY A FLESH WOOUND!"

Posted by: muldoon at October 11, 2024 10:59 AM (uCfKO)

345 Why is he doing a rally in Madison Square Garden?

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 11, 2024 10:56 AM

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Millions of people are asking the same question.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at October 11, 2024 11:00 AM (wzAuc)

346 93 Obama's speech in Pennsylvania yesterday has got to be a joke. When he says one candidate is like you, went to school with and so on it shows how fake he is. He never had a black father, never went to school like them and nobody knows shit about him. He's got to be the fakest black guy on the tour.
Posted by: DanMan at October 11, 2024 10:13 AM (8uzBS)

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When growing up I lived in the projects sometimes, we were on food stamps. I’m more black than Obama.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 11, 2024 10:58 AM (GC3wC)

It doesn't take me 20+ attempts to sink a free throw. I'm more black than Obama.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2024 11:00 AM (Aqu9a)

347 When growing up I lived in the projects sometimes, we were on food stamps. I’m more black than Obama.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken

Me too!

Posted by: Talcum X at October 11, 2024 11:00 AM (JCZqz)

348 Noodus throckmortonii

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 11, 2024 11:00 AM (J2vNu)

349 I think it’s a great move for Trump to do Madison Square Garden. It’s gonna get national recognition, which is why the idea pisses odd Dems so much.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2024 11:01 AM (Df/yq)

350 Jeez, that guy's room is messier than mine...but...only buy a smidge.

I'm not a huge fan of still life but good technique here, it appeals to me on that level.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 11, 2024 11:01 AM (xcxpd)

351 Nood. Rant.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at October 11, 2024 11:01 AM (y31cs)

352 338 336 Of course, Trump especially is hard to gauge. Why is he doing a rally in Madison Square Garden? Does he really think NY is in play? Does he think he's so far ahead he can work for the popular vote, or to help down ballot Republicans? Does he think the big event, nationally broadcast, will help him in battleground states?

Does he just like NY, big crowds, and the spectacle of a MSG rally? Who the heck knows with Trump lol
Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 11, 2024 10:56 AM (JCZqz)
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I heard some analysis this morning that might explain this: Trump want's to go for the throat and not only win the electoral vote but the popular vote as well. Thus campaign stops in NY and CA.

Posted by: WisRich at October 11, 2024 11:01 AM (G0vdT)

353 How does gold get incinerated? Do you mean it melted, and therefore there is a really valuable slag heap somewhere now?
Posted by: Archimedes at October 11, 2024 10:33 AM (xCA6C)

Yep, six stories down in a rubble filled hole, and not under the bed of the organization banker in Dubai who was supposed to be holding it for safety. Never find it, never ever ever, it would cost too much to dig up that destroyed bunker.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 11, 2024 11:04 AM (D7oie)

354 In 2016 they believed their polling. Then reality struck and they realized they were huffing their own farts... then in 2020 we got shocked. Polling worked sort of when people people had one phone line and still participated in the process honestly. That ship has sailed. Even if they wanted to do an honest poll, I suspect getting a true honest sample is nearly impossible. I used to participate in polls. Decades ago. Fcuk em.

Posted by: Bitter facts dispensed freely at October 11, 2024 11:13 AM (3N1x9)

355 heard some analysis this morning that might explain this: Trump want's to go for the throat and not only win the electoral vote but the popular vote as well. Thus campaign stops in NY and CA.
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I forces them to spread their cheat resources out over a larger area thus thinning the level of cheat they can bring to bear in key areas.

Posted by: Bitter facts dispensed freely at October 11, 2024 11:15 AM (3N1x9)

356 337. The Babylon Bee..I’m laughing and thinking of Rush, who always said that the best satire has an element of truth to it. Last night Gutfeld had two actors portray Harris and Trump in a second debate. It was hilarious. The Trump actor didn’t look like Trump at all but had his mannerisms down pat.Harris’ had her idiotic cackle .

Posted by: Jen the original at October 11, 2024 11:15 AM (maV1K)

357 I know I'm late to the party, but did anyone pick up on the skull and cross bones?

Posted by: Bourbon and Cigar at October 11, 2024 12:21 PM (z9ms9)

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Posted by: Fessa at October 11, 2024 01:42 PM (3SOHq)

359 Well get down your Fiddle and you get down your Bow

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