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Joe Biden Calls His Friends in the Mob and Has the Longshoreman Delay -- Not Call Off, Delay -- Their Strike Until After the Election

I want some investigations into this.

What was agreed to? What did Biden promise?


Striking U.S. dockworkers will return to work Friday after reaching a tentative agreement with employers on an improved wage offer.

The conditional offer was for a 62% wage increase, FOX Business has learned.

62%?!?!

The offer is on the table for the next 90 days. If no deal is reached within that timeframe, the proposed wage hike will be pulled from the table.

The International Longshoremen's Association, which represents 45,000 striking U.S. workers, said the union and USMX have reached a "tentative agreement on wages and have agreed to extend the Master Contract until January 15, 2025 to return to the bargaining table to negotiate all other outstanding issues."

...


Despite mounting pressure, President Biden said over the weekend he would not intervene, saying he doesn't "believe in Taft-Hartley," a reference to 1947 legislation that curtailed unions.

The strike raised fears of disruptions in the supply chain. An analysis by JPMorgan estimated the daily cost of a port strike by East and Gulf Coast port workers would cost the U.S. economy between $3.8 billion and $4.5 billion per day as operations slow.

The ILA is strangling the American economy -- and not just through exorbitant salaries.

They are making everything more expensive by demanding fees every time cargo is merely "touched" by longshoreman, forcing freight out of the seas (which are cheap to move goods through) and onto trucks:


John Ʌ Konrad V
@johnkonrad

The ILA refusing automation isn't even the craziest demand.

The craziest ILA demand is *touch* fees

Let me explain...

You've heard about our crumbling highways and bridges? And the $1.2 TRILLION infrastructure bill Congress passed to fix them? Well, the primary culprit for that damage? Heavy loads.

The rest of the world gets it. They offload containers onto barges or feeder ships to save their roads and reduce fatalities. It's called short sea shipping.

Europe: Big ship arrives ➡️ 🏗️ moves container ➡️ terminal ➡️ 🏗️ onto a barge ➡️ barge sails to a smaller port ➡️ 🏗️ onto a truck ➡️ short drive to warehouse.

That's 3 crane *touches*

US (ILA ports): Big ship arrives ➡️ 🏗️ moves container ➡️ truck 🚛 drives *hundreds of miles.*

That's 1 union crane *touch*

Why? Because every time the union crane *touches* a container, the union rakes in a massive fee.

So it's somehow cheaper to truck containers hundreds of miles and let taxpayers foot the road repair bill than let the union *touch* it two more times for short sea shipping to work.

Only in America.

Posted by: Ace at 12:17 PM




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1 First.

And now, the Barrel.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 04, 2024 12:17 PM (BYwg+)

2 Hi ace!

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 04, 2024 12:18 PM (4XwPj)

3 Good afternoon Ace and everyone
TGIF

Posted by: Skip at October 04, 2024 12:18 PM (HumJm)

4
This is why I'm glad Trump didn't shoot his mouth off about this. It was a trap!

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 04, 2024 12:18 PM (dQzv6)

5 Maybe the ILA realized that having their boss out there threatening the country wasn't going as well as they'd planned.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 04, 2024 12:18 PM (2UnvF)

6 Ah Democracy. Smells like Byzantium.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 04, 2024 12:18 PM (PDf99)

7 True minimum wage is $0.

Automate now!

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 04, 2024 12:19 PM (IB6XK)

8
The 62% may be a 10.20% increase every year, not all at once is my guess.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 04, 2024 12:19 PM (RKVpM)

9 Let's argue now about automation.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 04, 2024 12:19 PM (Q4IgG)

10 Teddy Roosevelt had it right.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 12:19 PM (i24o9)

11 I'm willing to touch things for less than an exorbitant fee.

Posted by: Uncle Pervy at October 04, 2024 12:19 PM (CV8a5)

12 And once Trump is President they will strike.

And it them becomes his problem.

Drop dead you useless whore buggering fake President.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:20 PM (1nfzE)

13 The 62% may be a 10.20% increase every year, not all at once is my guess.
Posted by: Divide by Zero


I'd give my left nut to get 10% a year.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 04, 2024 12:20 PM (IB6XK)

14 Read the post - like a noob - and still top ten.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 12:20 PM (i24o9)

15 UGGG Read the content!

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 04, 2024 12:20 PM (JMAcK)

16 H Ace
Glad it's Friday. The news is taking over my life. The election can;t come too soon.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 04, 2024 12:20 PM (t/2Uw)

17 It's miracle ! Just like today's jobs numbers...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 04, 2024 12:20 PM (IyPmt)

18 President Biden said over the weekend he would not intervene, saying he doesn't "believe in Taft-Hartley," a reference to 1947 legislation that curtailed unions.

Well he obviously doesn't 'believe in" immigration law...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 04, 2024 12:20 PM (FnneF)

19 Is the claim that the 62% increase compensates for the inflation the Dems claim doesn't exist?

Posted by: davidt at October 04, 2024 12:20 PM (i0F8b)

20 Ummm...
Maybe I just ain't smart enough to understand this but... There's a whole lot of the US that can't be accessed by water. Is that not correct?

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 04, 2024 12:21 PM (4XwPj)

21 What I wouldn't give for a 62% pay increase....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 04, 2024 12:21 PM (xcxpd)

22 16 H Ace
Glad it's Friday. The news is taking over my life. The election can;t come too soon.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 04, 2024 12:20 PM (t/2Uw)

Me too... I just want it over with...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 04, 2024 12:21 PM (IyPmt)

23 And once Trump is President they will strike.

And it them becomes his problem.

Drop dead you useless whore buggering fake President.
Posted by: Anna Puma


Trump will Taft-Hartly them. If they refuse, US Marshals will arrest and Army Corps of Engineers will run the ports.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 04, 2024 12:21 PM (IB6XK)

24
Speaking of bullshit favors...

how's that Fed rate cut working out for us?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 04, 2024 12:21 PM (dQzv6)

25 Under the new Trump Unity alliance conservatives need to stop being brain dead lapdogs to the global corporatists. Unions need to busted down and rebuilt to wield the power they had to fight against corrupt multinational America hating corporations. It's a new age. Get used to it.

Posted by: Nipsy Russell at October 04, 2024 12:21 PM (ufEKO)

26 Imagine if we still made stuff here in the US and didn't need to unload so much of it from ships coming from overseas.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at October 04, 2024 12:21 PM (qUkBO)

27 Clowns to the left; gangsters to the right…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2024 12:22 PM (WnEm5)

28
The 62% may be a 10.20% increase every year, not all at once is my guess.
.....

I'd give my left nut to get 10% a year.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 04, 2024


You know who else only had one nut?

/ obligatory

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 04, 2024 12:22 PM (RKVpM)

29 I'd give my left nut to get 10% a year.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices

You know who else had only one testicle?

Posted by: Major Hochstetter at October 04, 2024 12:22 PM (CV8a5)

30 The conditional offer was for a 62% wage increase, FOX Business has learned.

Inflation is running over 10% a year so honestly to stay afloat people should be getting raises like this...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2024 12:22 PM (oZhjI)

31 Counterspin - the unions crumbled when desantis announced he would have the national guard take over FL ports

Posted by: HowardDevore at October 04, 2024 12:22 PM (H/Jxx)

32
Europe: Big ship arrives

I'm no expert, but would that really work here? The port to destination distance seems to be shorter in Europe.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2024 12:22 PM (BkEzK)

33 Apparently Taft Harley Act is like Supreme Court Decisions...you can choose whether or not you like them, personally.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 12:22 PM (IZn54)

34 The 62% is over the term of the contract. This is the craziest CBA I have seen in awhile.

Hey Elon! In your government waste prevention job, pleas hire me to negotiate the cbas! Thanks.

Posted by: Piper at October 04, 2024 12:23 PM (pZEOD)

35 >>> 28
The 62% may be a 10.20% increase every year, not all at once is my guess.
.....

I'd give my left nut to get 10% a year.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 04, 2024

You know who else only had one nut?

/ obligatory
Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 04, 2024 12:22 PM (RKVpM)

>>> 29 I'd give my left nut to get 10% a year.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices

You know who else had only one testicle?
Posted by: Major Hochstetter at October 04, 2024 12:22 PM (CV8a5)

I don't get it.

Posted by: Lance Armstrong at October 04, 2024 12:23 PM (FnneF)

36 28/29
Horde mind is real and is spectacular!

Posted by: Old Blue at October 04, 2024 12:23 PM (X6YhY)

37 The 62% may be a 10.20% increase every year, not all at once is my guess.
Posted by: Divide by Zero


I'd give my left nut to get 10% a year.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 04, 2024 12:20 PM (IB6XK)

no shit right?? i've had less than inflation increase, because we're lucky to get even those, in the last 8 years. only ONE of those years did i get 10% to make up for some inflation related impacts.

i work for a good company overall.

but guaranteed 10% over the next 6 years?

i'd take your arm off for that deal...

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 04, 2024 12:23 PM (v6XNT)

38
Taft-Hartley curtailed union abuses, not unions.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2024 12:23 PM (BkEzK)

39 But my wife did stock up on TP so there’s one positive

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2024 12:23 PM (WnEm5)

40 This is a pretty incredible video. Shows how quickly the water rose in Waverly (goes to X)

https://tinyurl.com/3npzufs5

Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 04, 2024 12:23 PM (MpVUb)

41 Me too... I just want it over with...
Posted by: It's me donna at October 04, 2024 12:21 PM (IyPmt)

I'm at the point where I'm having bad dreams. I can't wait for it to be over.

Posted by: hobbitopoly at October 04, 2024 12:23 PM (k9OZB)

42 but guaranteed 10% over the next 6 years?

i'd take your arm off for that deal...


Not funny man not funny

Posted by: Michelle Fields at October 04, 2024 12:24 PM (oZhjI)

43 20 Ummm...
Maybe I just ain't smart enough to understand this but... There's a whole lot of the US that can't be accessed by water. Is that not correct?
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 04, 2024 12:21 PM (4XwPj)

Yes and no. We have been blessed with several navigable rivers - the Mississippi, the Missouri (for part of its length), the Ohio and others. The Mountain West is pretty locked out of river traffic but the East and Midwest used to have pretty robust ports for smaller vessels.

We'd need to get back into river dredging to make the above plan work but it's doable.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 04, 2024 12:24 PM (xcxpd)

44 So unionized election interference

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:24 PM (1nfzE)

45 I want some investigations into this.

What was agreed to? What did Biden promise?

------------

The Mobbed-Up Union Leader woke up yesterday morning with a horse's ass in his bed -- and it was John F'ing Kerry!

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 04, 2024 12:24 PM (tU7vi)

46 Enjoy your 62% raise... in ten year's time the Ports will all be automated, and only need ten of you to run it, max.

They really, really should push for workers to get trained in automation. Someone has to maintain those robots and make sure they run efficiently, and troubleshoot tech or electronic problems. There's a world of new jobs to be made in the field, and any union working to get their workers certified will be ahead of the game.

Too bad they are the buggy whip union trying to get more money for making buggy whips. Meanwhile the impending car boom is going to run them over.

Posted by: LizLem at October 04, 2024 12:24 PM (5go6+)

47 >>The 62% may be a 10.20% increase every year, not all at once is my guess.


Biden plans on using inflation to reduce that to a moderate, inflation adjusted, rate of >2%.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 12:25 PM (IZn54)

48 >>> 39 But my wife did stock up on TP so there's one positive
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2024 12:23 PM (WnEm5)

It's a very good idea to stock on anything and everything you can.

Did you know someone tried to assassinate Trump???

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 04, 2024 12:25 PM (FnneF)

49 Europe: Big ship arrives

I'm no expert, but would that really work here? The port to destination distance seems to be shorter in Europe.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2024 12:22 PM (BkEzK)

well, you've got the mississippi, great lakes, ohio, and a number of canals, so i'd say much of the eastern US especially, is reachable by barge...

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 04, 2024 12:25 PM (v6XNT)

50 Joe Biden Calls His Friends in the Mob


- pretty sure it was Jill

Posted by: meh at October 04, 2024 12:25 PM (yjRHe)

51 but guaranteed 10% over the next 6 years?

i'd take your arm off for that deal...

Not funny man not funny
Posted by: Michelle Fields at October 04, 2024 12:24 PM (oZhjI)


I’d shoot my dog for that

Posted by: Kristi Noem at October 04, 2024 12:25 PM (WnEm5)

52 62%?!?!

------------

"That's the actual transitory inflation rate over the past four years, h8r!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 04, 2024 12:25 PM (tU7vi)

53 Even more than the 62% raise over 6 years, they are holding out for a ban on automation.

A raise doesn't do you any good if a robot takes your place.

Posted by: Just Lily at October 04, 2024 12:25 PM (JkA2a)

54
Did you know someone tried to assassinate Trump???
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 04, 2024 12:25 PM (FnneF)


No! When?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2024 12:25 PM (BkEzK)

55 Morning.

OT but just to follow up, the Bellatrix Transport driver is a dude. He just drove off. Did not get a chance to tell him to read another book.

Posted by: Robert at October 04, 2024 12:26 PM (O9ob5)

56 Has David French wrote anything on this?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:26 PM (1nfzE)

57 Not only do I want Automation to replace these fat Union fucks as soon as possible...

I want the Automation to go Terminator on them.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 12:26 PM (IZn54)

58 I’d shoot my dog for that

Posted by: Kristi Noem at October 04, 2024 12:25 PM (WnEm5)


You gonna finish that?

Posted by: Barack Obama taking out some hot sauce at October 04, 2024 12:26 PM (oZhjI)

59 I'm at a loss to understand any of this. And I'm a lawyer and all-around smart guy. But:

These are private workers in a private union, correct? And as far as I can tell, they don't all have the same private employer. It's not like all the union workers of Ford or GM going on strike. So each employer of these longshoreman has the right to decide for itself what to offer if anything.

So what the fuck does Joey Shitbrains -- or anyone in government -- have to do with any of this? This is between the private unions and the private employers. The employers can make their own decisions on what is best for the employers. Right?

I may be wrong about this. But I don't think I am.

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 04, 2024 12:26 PM (iFTx/)

60 It doesn't all go by road, a lot goes by rail too. But Ace's point on "touch" is still valid.

Posted by: Old Blue at October 04, 2024 12:26 PM (X6YhY)

61 What prepares Kamala for success in this op?

Posted by: DaveA at October 04, 2024 12:27 PM (FhXTo)

62 but guaranteed 10% over the next 6 years?

i'd take your arm off for that deal...

Not funny man not funny
Posted by: Michelle Fields at October 04, 2024 12:24 PM (oZhjI)

i knew you'd pop up sooner or later.

:p

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 04, 2024 12:27 PM (v6XNT)

63 Transporting lithium batteries over the highways causes problems too. A few fires on the way to Vegas and this one, right near the port. https://tinyurl.com/fut23the

Posted by: PJU at October 04, 2024 12:27 PM (RRCAT)

64 Did you know someone tried to assassinate Trump???
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 04, 2024 12:25 PM (FnneF)

I can see why.. Bruce Springsteen said Trump is the most dangerous candidate in history !

Posted by: It's me donna at October 04, 2024 12:27 PM (IyPmt)

65 Willowed: [Rowling studied Latin. Which seems like a useless thing to study, unless you are writing a wizarding word where spells are based heavily in Latin, ha. Glad she could do something with it!
Posted by: LizLem at October 04, 2024

***
Not completely useless. The study of the words and their descendants teaches us a lot about English and the Romance languages. And the grammar teaches us about the way sentences are constructed.

(No, I've never studied it formally. Too many case endings.)

Posted by: Romulan Commander at October 04, 2024 12:27 PM (J2vNu)

66 That's 1 union crane *touch*

Why? Because every time the union crane *touches* a container, the union rakes in a massive fee.

So it's somehow cheaper to truck containers hundreds of miles and let taxpayers foot the road repair bill than let the union *touch* it two more times for short sea shipping to work.

Only in America.

———

So you are saying in Europe they move things for free (no touch fees)? I find that hard to believe.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (gYHPZ)

67 43 Yes and no. We have been blessed with several navigable rivers - the Mississippi, the Missouri (for part of its length), the Ohio and others. The Mountain West is pretty locked out of river traffic but the East and Midwest used to have pretty robust ports for smaller vessels.

plus, we can dig prosperity canals

Posted by: anachronda at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (sGtp+)

68 Now I see why the trolls were trumpeting the "settlement"... they really do belive Creepy Pervy masterfully negotiated a settlement in an hour or so and is proof of awesome

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (t+Tko)

69 They are making everything more expensive by demanding fees every time cargo is merely "touched" by longshoreman,
_____

Kind of like a 'tariff' ?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (/QhWS)

70 Oh,

How many EVs caught fire due to Helene?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (1nfzE)

71 Joe Biden Calls His Friends in the Mob


- pretty sure it was Jill
Posted by: meh at October 04, 2024 12:25 PM (yjRHe)


Or one of Obama's staffers.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (W/lyH)

72 28/29
Horde mind is real and is spectacular!
Posted by: Old Blue


Don't forget to thank the T Ball pitcher. 😂😂😂

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (IB6XK)

73
It would be funny if the Chinx actually did own all the ports. Try that strike stuff on the ChiComs and you'll be lucky to be digging a canal in Manchuria. In the winter.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (BkEzK)

74 >>> 46 Enjoy your 62% raise... in ten year's time the Ports will all be automated, and only need ten of you to run it, max.

They really, really should push for workers to get trained in automation. Someone has to maintain those robots and make sure they run efficiently, and troubleshoot tech or electronic problems. There's a world of new jobs to be made in the field, and any union working to get their workers certified will be ahead of the game.

Too bad they are the buggy whip union trying to get more money for making buggy whips. Meanwhile the impending car boom is going to run them over.
Posted by: LizLem at October 04, 2024 12:24 PM (5go6+)

They *ought* to demand it as some sort of perk for seniors guys, who presumably could sit in a nice climate-controlled office drinking coffee and monitoring shit... and if they were really smart (sigh), they would demand each port have its own closed-circuit network with NO internet access, EVER.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (FnneF)

75 Automation can't come fast enough. Which is what I think the root of all this is. I think these employers know that whatever they offer to settle this won't matter in a few years. They can go on strike and demand all they want. They are soon to become obsolete.

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (iFTx/)

76 So it's somehow cheaper to truck containers hundreds of miles and let taxpayers foot the road repair bill than let the union *touch* it two more times for short sea shipping to work.

Only in America.

------------

I've been driving two major freeways every workday for over a decade in Northern AZ (I-40 & I-17).

They're pretty much destroyed annually (some of that is the winter freeze & thaw cycle) primarily by the trucking traffic -- and are constantly being repaved (like a permanent employment program as well).

Not to mention destroying my cars' suspensions frequently ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (tU7vi)

77 Counterspin - the unions crumbled when desantis announced he would have the national guard take over FL ports
Posted by: HowardDevore at October 04, 2024 12:22 PM (H/Jxx)


This is what I first saw on Twitter.

I suppose it could be wrong, or possibly both are true. But it's nice to think about.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 04, 2024 12:29 PM (faBWN)

78 Apparently Israel did not only bag Nasrallah's sucessor, but also the entire Shura council which selects the leader of Hezbollah.

It sure looks like Israel could continuously track the successor's location, and took him out at a time when it would do the most damage.

Apparently Nasrallah is going to be buried quietly on a temporary basis - Hezbollah is worried about having a big public funeral, for some reason.

Posted by: Hezbollah HR! at October 04, 2024 12:29 PM (uxCna)

79 Does the Jones Act apply at all?

Posted by: davidt at October 04, 2024 12:29 PM (i0F8b)

80 but guaranteed 10% over the next 6 years?

i'd take your arm off for that deal...

Not funny man not funny
Posted by: Michelle Fields at October 04, 2024 12:24 PM (oZhjI)

i knew you'd pop up sooner or later.

:p
Posted by: SturmToddler


Like a boner at a Diddy party.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 04, 2024 12:29 PM (IB6XK)

81 So it's somehow cheaper to truck containers hundreds of miles and let taxpayers foot the road repair bill

'Repair'?! What the heck is that word?

Posted by: PennDOT at October 04, 2024 12:30 PM (lCA8w)

82 >>Apparently Israel did not only bag Nasrallah's sucessor, but also the entire Shura council which selects the leader of Hezbollah.


BREAKING: Hezballah Semi-Annual Rock Paper Scissor Tournament, Canceled.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 12:30 PM (IZn54)

83 >>> 40 This is a pretty incredible video. Shows how quickly the water rose in Waverly (goes to X)

https://tinyurl.com/3npzufs5
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 04, 2024 12:23 PM (MpVUb)

That's from a couple years ago, but still worth seeing as an example of how bad flooding can be.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 04, 2024 12:30 PM (FnneF)

84 From a WaPo article, 10/02/24, 'The US could have seen shortages and higher retail prices if...'

What are the dockworkers asking for?
What are the issues in the dockworkers strike? The union is demanding significantly higher wages and a TOTAL BAN on the automation of cranes, gates and container-moving trucks that are used in the loading or unloading of freight at 36 U.S. ports. Those ports handle roughly half of the nations' cargo from ships. 20 hours ago (Emphasis added.)

There can't be a total ban. They'll be 'negotiating' for a substantial period of time - a giant albatross.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at October 04, 2024 12:30 PM (NFX2v)

85 I may be wrong about this. But I don't think I am.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade

I am curious about this, too, as they are indicating Mayor Pete was at the table? The last negotiation he was involved with was when I locked everyone out and he was still mayor! Oh, the good ol days.

Posted by: Piper at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (pZEOD)

86
Does the Jones Act apply at all?
Posted by: davidt at October 04, 2024 12:29 PM (i0F8b)


You're mistaking it for the Fordney-McCumber Act.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (BkEzK)

87 So you are saying in Europe they move things for free (no touch fees)? I find that hard to believe.

For whatever reason, only in the United States and Australia have the longshoremen been given the authority to strangle the economy whenever they want.

Posted by: Hezbollah HR! at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (uxCna)

88 Invisible Touch

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (63Dwl)

89 Surprised they could dig Nasrallah out of his perfectly adequate burial vault.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (1nfzE)

90 Counterspin - the unions crumbled when desantis announced he would have the national guard take over FL ports

Yeah, that was my theory too.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (2ocoG)

91 Good afternoon Ace. Ask how kissing the butt of the one worlder leftists worked out for the autoworkers or steelworkerd. A few ended up with higher salaries but most got put out if there jobs either by automation or by business moving elsewhere. Same thing happened with the screen writers, who are now facing AI or much less work. Automation will push the longshoremen out eventually, striking in January will just make it quicker

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (F+WBi)

92 This seems to me just one example of the deep state pulling out all the steps to push the cackler over the finish line. Nothing can get in the way of a positive narrative now matter how BS it is…. A continued strike would be too noticeable to the LIVs.

I hope they have Trump surrounded by bullet proof glass in Butler tomorrow because it seems to me the junta is getting desperate and therefore reckless

Posted by: Kristi Noem at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (WnEm5)

93 62% increase.

But your goods being shipped and "touched" by these fucknuts won't be any more expensive, will they?

Regardless what the economy does.

Uh huh.... sure.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (Q4IgG)

94 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 04, 2024 12:24 PM (xcxpd)


Yeh I'm two hours north of the Ohio river in Indiana. The Wabash river, I believe, hosted quite a bit of traffic at one time as well.
But yes I was thinking the west of the Mississippi.

Do they not dredge rivers anymore?

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (4XwPj)

95 So you are saying in Europe they move things for free (no touch fees)? I find that hard to believe.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (gYHPZ

I think the argument is that in europe, you just have the fee for doing it which includes whatever the union skims off the top (because it's Europe), rather than the intrinsic fee, plus the labor skim, *plus* an explicit union fee.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (DDGz9)

96 That's 1 union crane *touch*

Why? Because every time the union crane *touches* a container, the union rakes in a massive fee.

So it's somehow cheaper to truck containers hundreds of miles and let taxpayers foot the road repair bill than let the union *touch* it two more times for short sea shipping to work.

Only in America.

———

So you are saying in Europe they move things for free (no touch fees)? I find that hard to believe.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (gYHPZ)
________

I agree. I think the difference is that in America we have bigger, wider, and better (overall) roads and better trucking infrastructure. We can unload yuge container ships and put them immediately on trucks. I don't think they can do that in most places in Europe, even if they wanted to.

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (iFTx/)

97 Hey, where's my fee?
-- Touch Connors

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2024 12:32 PM (v6JzV)

98 Random thought: How come nobody ever offers their right nut?

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at October 04, 2024 12:32 PM (xPJvm)

99 Oh,

How many EVs caught fire due to Helene?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (1nfzE)

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[Headline from a week ago:]

"DeSantis warns Florida EV drivers to move cars to higher ground ahead of Hurricane Helene."

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 04, 2024 12:33 PM (tU7vi)

100 Invisible Touch
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.


You've met my ex?

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 04, 2024 12:33 PM (IB6XK)

101 Off used-to-be-hot SD governor sock

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2024 12:33 PM (WnEm5)

102 Touch Fee...


what, like The Champagne Room?

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 12:33 PM (IZn54)

103 Did you know someone tried to assassinate Trump???
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 04, 2024 12:25 PM (FnneF)

I can see why.. Bruce Springsteen said Trump is the most dangerous candidate in history !
Posted by: It's me donna at October 04, 2024 12:27 PM (IyPmt)
***

Springsteen is welcome to his opinion, just as I am welcome to mine which is he is a scum-sucking Siberian snow pimp with the brains of a worm.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 04, 2024 12:33 PM (W/lyH)

104 75 Automation can't come fast enough. Which is what I think the root of all this is. I think these employers know that whatever they offer to settle this won't matter in a few years. They can go on strike and demand all they want. They are soon to become obsolete.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (iFTx/)

————-

The ROI on automating port operations is probably in the 10 year range. Nobody is going to do it.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 04, 2024 12:33 PM (gYHPZ)

105 Random thought: How come nobody ever offers their right nut?

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at October 04, 2024 12:32 PM (xPJvm)

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Damn, that coulda been a Seinfeld episode ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 04, 2024 12:34 PM (tU7vi)

106 Apparently Israel did not only bag Nasrallah's sucessor, but also the entire Shura council which selects the leader of Hezbollah.

I can't imagine how terrifying it must be to be one of the few surviving senior members of Hezbollah right now - Hezbollah released a video from a senior official (because they had to say something), and the guy was obviously sweating like a pig throughout the video.

Posted by: Hezbollah HR! at October 04, 2024 12:34 PM (uxCna)

107 I just saw the Kamala border czar song...its great https://tinyurl.com/ybbujyx5

Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2024 12:34 PM (oZhjI)

108 Touch fee, $20, same as in town.

Posted by: davidt at October 04, 2024 12:34 PM (i0F8b)

109 98 Random thought: How come nobody ever offers their right nut?

fine, fine. i'd give my non-dominant nut...

Posted by: anachronda at October 04, 2024 12:34 PM (sGtp+)

110 Random thought: How come nobody ever offers their right nut?
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at October 04, 2024 12:32 PM (xPJvm)

Being left-handed the right is my default nut to give…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2024 12:35 PM (WnEm5)

111 I am waiting for the next Hezbollah leader to be the janitor.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:35 PM (1nfzE)

112 You can have my nuts when you take them from my cold dead hands

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 04, 2024 12:35 PM (F+WBi)

113 'Touch fees'? How much for a subscription?

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 04, 2024 12:35 PM (xtH79)

114 You can have my nuts when you take them from my cold dead hands

THIS

Posted by: Some Squirrel in your backyard at October 04, 2024 12:36 PM (oZhjI)

115
I am waiting for the next Hezbollah leader to be the janitor.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:35 PM (1nfzE)


This is a perfect opportunity for women to step up and take charge.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2024 12:36 PM (BkEzK)

116 Okay, so as expected, this is Master Agreement set up here, with the other party being the US Maritime Alliance, ltd. The tie in with the govt is the NLRB, but no different than any other contract, except the impact on commerce and the national economy.

Posted by: Piper at October 04, 2024 12:36 PM (pZEOD)

117 Kramer's right nut?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:36 PM (1nfzE)

118 You can have my nuts when you take them from my cold dead hands
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 04, 2024 12:35 PM (F+WBi)

What a way to go, though...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2024 12:36 PM (DDGz9)

119 I am waiting for the next Hezbollah leader to be the janitor.

No way, man!

Posted by: A Hezbollah Janitor! at October 04, 2024 12:36 PM (uxCna)

120 Random thought: How come nobody ever offers their right nut?
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at October 04, 2024 12:32 PM (xPJvm)

Didn't people used to believe being left-handed was somehow evil?

Maybe the left nut is the wicked nut?

Posted by: Robert at October 04, 2024 12:36 PM (i0Vcn)

121 When the Union does it, it's a Touch Fee.

When Trump does it, it's Hush Money.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 12:36 PM (IZn54)

122
Imagine for a minute that my conjecture of a 10% raise every year is valid. Without using math, determine how many days without pay before their first year 10% increase in pay would disappear and they'd be back to even steven.

Then factor in workers who took at least a 25% beating due to inflation. The head of the union may have come out spitting fire but his peeps maybe not so much.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 04, 2024 12:37 PM (RKVpM)

123 'How come nobody ever offers their right nut?'

The left testicle is somewhat smaller in many males. Testicular asymmetry.

Posted by: mainly spoons at October 04, 2024 12:37 PM (pvz5Z)

124 Didn't people used to believe being left-handed was somehow evil?

It is called sinister

Posted by: It's me donna at October 04, 2024 12:37 PM (IyPmt)

125 Yeh I'm two hours north of the Ohio river in Indiana. The Wabash river, I believe, hosted quite a bit of traffic at one time as well.
But yes I was thinking the west of the Mississippi.

Do they not dredge rivers anymore?
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (4XwPj)

ah yes, used to enjoy going down to terra haute area to play hockey and see family growing up. we were on the IL side of the wabash.

we used to roam from evansville to fun times as a kid and summers at turkey run while tubing

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 04, 2024 12:37 PM (v6XNT)

126 I love that they're fact checking hurricane victims. Who do you believe? The Biden-Harris admin or your neighbor and fellow American on the nightly news with video evidence?

Posted by: Ribbed at October 04, 2024 12:37 PM (+xrWz)

127 Automation is coming. This will be s pyrrhic victory. It will not stop the criticism of the administaration's handling of the disaster unfolding in the South. The horror is just beginning.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 04, 2024 12:37 PM (t/2Uw)

128
scum-sucking Siberian snow pimp with the brains of a worm.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 04, 2024 12:33 PM (W/lyH)


Denebian Slime Devil >>Siberian snow pimp with the brains of a worm.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2024 12:37 PM (x0n13)

129 5 Maybe the ILA realized that having their boss out there threatening the country wasn't going as well as they'd planned.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 04, 2024 12:18 PM (2UnvF)

I kind of thought the same thing. That guy was so tone deaf and that clip of him was just offensive. the PR folks may have decided he'd be a drag on Kamala and they punted just to get it out of the news cycle.

Also, FWIW I heard some lefty talking head claim the Union boss was a Trump supporter. No clue if true or what relevance there may be.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 04, 2024 12:38 PM (pIfcn)

130 >>The Wabash river


Not to be confused with the Wabash Cannonball...which was a train.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 12:38 PM (IZn54)

131 Didn't people used to believe being left-handed was somehow evil?

Maybe the left nut is the wicked nut?
Posted by: Robert at October 04, 2024 12:36 PM (i0Vcn)

I'm left-handed, and my wife always jokes that I am evil. On the other hand, she might not be wrong. *twirls Snidely Whiplash mustache*

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at October 04, 2024 12:38 PM (xPJvm)

132 Automation can't come fast enough. Which is what I think the root of all this is. I think these employers know that whatever they offer to settle this won't matter in a few years. They can go on strike and demand all they want. They are soon to become obsolete.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 04, 2024 12:28 PM (iFTx/)

————-

The ROI on automating port operations is probably in the 10 year range. Nobody is going to do it.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 04, 2024 12:33 PM (gYHPZ)
______

Probably more than 10 years. But it's already happening, and exorbitant wages and fees like this will only accelerate it. Plus, the automation is just better. Its faster, more reliable, and doesn't bitch and complain.

Major auto companies have already fully automated their assembly plants. If you haven't already, watch a video of the Porsche or Lamborghini plant. It's alien tech. There's no going back. Transportation will follow.

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 04, 2024 12:38 PM (iFTx/)

133
Didn't people used to believe being left-handed was somehow evil?

How many left-handed people were tortured and burned at the stake? I demand reparations!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2024 12:38 PM (BkEzK)

134 What do ya know!!?? According to the guv'mint, the economy added 254K jobs.
This explains why my BullSh*t meter has been going crazy.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 04, 2024 12:38 PM (W/lyH)

135 The real issue is automation

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at October 04, 2024 12:38 PM (wBaIH)

136 Maybe the left nut is the wicked nut?
Posted by: Robert at October 04, 2024 12:36 PM (i0Vcn)

"If your left nut offend thee, offer it up in barter for a pay raise or something, i don't know."

Esteeziasticus 10:32

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2024 12:38 PM (DDGz9)

137 As a onetime Teamster, I just can't support any of this BS I hated being in a union, but to join when I was a line worker at UPS. No benefit.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 04, 2024 12:38 PM (TN5A0)

138 I'd give my left nut to get 10% a year.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 04, 2024 12:20 PM (IB6XK)

Short-sighted. What will you do the second year?

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 12:38 PM (i24o9)

139 133
Didn't people used to believe being left-handed was somehow evil?

How many left-handed people were tortured and burned at the stake? I demand reparations!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2024 12:38 PM (BkEzK)

========

The Italian word for left is sinistre.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 12:38 PM (GBKbO)

140 Don't look up Wabash Cannonball on Urban Dictionary.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at October 04, 2024 12:39 PM (xPJvm)

141 In Harris County, TX (Houston) they don't have the problem of taxpayers footing the bill for road damaged by heavy loads.

Because they just don't fix the roads ....

One time, I was a passenger in my car taking a rest, driving down I-45 in Houston. It took about 10 minutes of "is this just the rough road or do I have a flat?" to determine it was a flat.
That's how bad the highways and roads are around Houston.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 04, 2024 12:39 PM (Qlpv5)

142 I think the argument is that in europe, you just have the fee for doing it which includes whatever the union skims off the top (because it's Europe), rather than the intrinsic fee, plus the labor skim, *plus* an explicit union fee.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (DDGz9)

———

I guess the X poster needs to clearer. What’s really the difference between the USA and Europe? The poster implies that the Europeans get three crane operations for one small fee while the USA get only one operation for a large fee.

The actual costs have to be looked at. Leaving that out is a big red flag on the information presented.

I guess the biggest question is why should I trust what any corporate stooge says?

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 04, 2024 12:39 PM (gYHPZ)

143 134 What do ya know!!?? According to the guv'mint, the economy added 254K jobs.
This explains why my BullSh*t meter has been going crazy.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 04, 2024 12:38 PM (W/lyH)

You forgot "unexpectedly."

Posted by: It's me donna at October 04, 2024 12:39 PM (IyPmt)

144 It wouldn't surprise me if this was prearranged. Send the thug out to threaten everyone, then call him off - for now.

Intimidation has been the go to Dem campaign tactic for ten years now. "Vote right, or we'll wreck the economy. Maybe we'll even burn some cities. Your choice."

It works.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 04, 2024 12:39 PM (awTae)

145


I Lick Jerry Nadler's taint for stray strands of pastrami.

Posted by: Paul=Kurt at October 04, 2024 12:39 PM (zyu/6)

146 scum-sucking Siberian snow pimp with the brains of a worm.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 04, 2024 12:33 PM (W/lyH)


Denebian Slime Devil >>Siberian snow pimp with the brains of a worm.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2024 12:37 PM (x0n13)


Well, sure, if you drop off the scum-sucking.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 04, 2024 12:40 PM (W/lyH)

147 Touch this.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at October 04, 2024 12:40 PM (ufFY8)

148 Random thought: How come nobody ever offers their right nut?

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at October 04, 2024
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Damn, that coulda been a Seinfeld episode ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 04, 2024


***
It sounds like one of Jerry's lines from the standup in clubs, shown at the beginning of the early episodes.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 04, 2024 12:40 PM (J2vNu)

149 The Grift is strong with the Longshoremen.

They will be gone soon enough, just like horse buggy whip manufacturers.

Good.

Posted by: Czech Chick at October 04, 2024 12:40 PM (fpVC1)

150 Off used-to-be-hot SD governor sock

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2024 12:33 PM (WnEm5)

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After I first saw her introduce President Trump at the Independence Day celebration at Mount Rushmore, I thought for sure she'd be Trump's next VP and eventually the first female POTUS.

And then she screwed the pooch -- figuratively, and then, well shot it literally ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 04, 2024 12:40 PM (tU7vi)

151 Somebody left the door to Arkham's library unlocked again.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:41 PM (1nfzE)

152 Hi madame and hi Sharon!

And hi to anyone I missed!

Posted by: Ace at October 04, 2024 12:41 PM (KRtlO)

153 scum-sucking Siberian snow pimp with the brains of a worm.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 04, 2024 12:33 PM (W/lyH)

For a second there I thought you were talking about Liz Cheney….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2024 12:41 PM (P/Wjn)

154 Pretty sure 'Touch Fee' was Samantha Fox's biggest Hit.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 12:41 PM (IZn54)

155 It sounds like one of Jerry's lines from the standup in clubs, shown at the beginning of the early episodes.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 04, 2024 12:40 PM (J2vNu)

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Exactly. I heard it in his voice ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 04, 2024 12:41 PM (tU7vi)

156 I am pretty sure the *connotation* is new... Latin for right and left is dexter (so, dexterous) and sinister.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 04, 2024 12:41 PM (FnneF)

157 152 Hi madame and hi Sharon!

And hi to anyone I missed!
Posted by: Ace at October 04, 2024 12:41 PM (KRtlO)


Sulks..

Posted by: It's me donna at October 04, 2024 12:41 PM (IyPmt)

158 Was "i'd give my left nut" even a figure of speech yet in the 90's?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2024 12:41 PM (DDGz9)

159 I have been told that the West coast ports are already heavily automated. Which really accelerated during the whole covid fiasco and they wouldn't allow humans in to work.

How much you want to bet that the largely foreign owned ports are planning on doing the same thing during a strike?

Posted by: Just Lily at October 04, 2024 12:41 PM (JkA2a)

160
And hi to anyone I missed!
Posted by: Ace at October 04, 2024 12:41 PM (KRtlO)


*fumes*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 04, 2024 12:42 PM (BkEzK)

161 Liz Cheney is a venomous mountain goat.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:42 PM (1nfzE)

162 >>Was "i'd give my left nut" even a figure of speech yet in the 90's?


Yes. As long as I can remember it has been a well used expression.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 12:42 PM (IZn54)

163 Touch this.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at October 04, 2024 12:40 PM (ufFY

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No can do.

Posted by: MC Hammer at October 04, 2024 12:42 PM (tU7vi)

164 Didn't people used to believe being left-handed was somehow evil?

Maybe the left nut is the wicked nut?
Posted by: Robert at October 04, 2024 12:36 PM (i0Vcn)


Not evil, merely sinister

Posted by: K indltot at October 04, 2024 12:42 PM (D7oie)

165 I saw that tweet going around. Not sure how well it is sourced, and I am not sure I understand the economics. 1 touch = 1 fee. 3 touches = 3 fees. Cut your fee in half and increase revenue by 50%. There must be other forces at play here. What are our friends in the Teamsters Union up to BTW.

Posted by: tommylotto at October 04, 2024 12:43 PM (6QQM8)

166 And then she screwed the pooch -- figuratively, and then, well shot it literally ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 04, 2024 12:40 PM (tU7vi)

Is “the pooch” Corey Lewandowski? :-)

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2024 12:43 PM (P/Wjn)

167
Testicular Asymmetry used to open for Steely Dan.

Posted by: Cliff Clavin at October 04, 2024 12:43 PM (RKVpM)

168 Look, dock work is very expensive. So is you mention extortion again, I will have your legs broken.

Posted by: Field Marshal Carmine Zhukov at October 04, 2024 12:43 PM (wBaIH)

169 Because they just don't fix the roads ....

One time, I was a passenger in my car taking a rest, driving down I-45 in Houston. It took about 10 minutes of "is this just the rough road or do I have a flat?" to determine it was a flat.
That's how bad the highways and roads are around Houston.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 04, 2024


***

So many others are great, though. Or were, when I bugged out for Katrina. We went around Houston and up to College Station/Bryan. My car and I were very happy. Same in 2014 when I drove to Palo Duro Canyon.

When I crossed back into Lousy-ana, the jittering and bumping began. My car looked back over its shoulder at me. "Boss? Do we *have* to go back?"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 04, 2024 12:43 PM (J2vNu)

170 “Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of today.”

- Theodore Roosevelt

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 12:43 PM (i24o9)

171 The CCP is evil. It's Sinoster.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2024 12:43 PM (v6JzV)

172


touch fees are also required by Epstein, and Jizz-lane, and Puffy Diddler

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2024 12:44 PM (x0n13)

173 161 Liz Cheney is a venomous mountain goat.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:42 PM (1nfzE)

And Kamala wrote some pap lauding how coregeous she was for being Bipartisan on the fabulous Jan. 6th "committee".

Posted by: It's me donna at October 04, 2024 12:44 PM (IyPmt)

174 172


touch fees are also required by Epstein, and Jizz-lane, and Puffy Diddler
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2024 12:44 PM (x0n13)

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I don't get it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 12:44 PM (GBKbO)

175 Testicular Tension did open for Pussy Riot at Lubyanka

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:44 PM (1nfzE)

176 Ah, I stand corrected Romulan Commander! Cool to know about the Latin.

Posted by: LizLem at October 04, 2024 12:44 PM (hHX83)

177 Liz Cheney is a venomous mountain goat.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:42 PM (1nfzE)

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You, madam, will be hearing from our defamation lawyers. GOOD DAY!

Posted by: Venomous Mountain Goats of America, Local 69 at October 04, 2024 12:45 PM (tU7vi)

178 Guys, your right hand is for business your left hand is for pleasure. Jeebus.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2024 12:45 PM (/UtnQ)

179 >>> 161 Liz Cheney is a venomous mountain goat.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:42 PM (1nfzE)

You take that back!!!

None of *us* have venom, and we're in much better shape than that fat bint.

Posted by: goats at October 04, 2024 12:45 PM (FnneF)

180 On my morning drive I noticed one of my nearby neighbors has put out a large MAGA flag and a US flag. I was pleasantly surprised. There are almost no political signs in my neighborhood and the ones that exist are usually for local elections. We also have very few flags.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 04, 2024 12:45 PM (Odg76)

181 Metallica - Am I Evil? (Live, but with Lars on vocals and everyone playing different instruments)

https://youtu.be/03_OIKn9bUQ

Posted by: Robert at October 04, 2024 12:45 PM (zMnhT)

182 You, madam, will be hearing from our defamation lawyers. GOOD DAY!
Posted by: Venomous Mountain Goats of America, Local 69 at October 04, 2024 12:45 PM (tU7vi)
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Great. Now the venomous mountain goats are unionized...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 04, 2024 12:45 PM (7fElN)

183
Pretty sure 'Touch Fee' was Samantha Fox's biggest Hit.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 12:41 PM


Which inspired the Divinyls to record 'I Touch Myself'.

Posted by: Cliff Clavin at October 04, 2024 12:46 PM (RKVpM)

184 In my brief experience with Texas (mumble) years ago, I thought it had very good roads.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2024 12:46 PM (v6JzV)

185 Major auto companies have already fully automated their assembly plants. If you haven't already, watch a video of the Porsche or Lamborghini plant. It's alien tech. There's no going back. Transportation will follow.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 04, 2024 12:38 PM (iFTx/)

————

You have to look at the quality, production speed, energy and labor costs. The first two are probably the main reasons for any automation.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 04, 2024 12:46 PM (gYHPZ)

186 Guys, your right hand is for business your left hand is for pleasure. Jeebus.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2024 12:45 PM (/UtnQ)

Missed Toobin sock opportunity.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 12:46 PM (i24o9)

187 Danzig - Am I Demon > Metallica - Am I Evil

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 12:46 PM (IZn54)

188 They want a double-digit wage increase AND no automation? Child, let me bequeath you some wisdom...

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at October 04, 2024 12:46 PM (Ij2uN)

189 What do ya know!!?? According to the guv'mint, the economy added 254K jobs.
This explains why my BullSh*t meter has been going crazy.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 04, 202


***
Too hundred K of which were part-time jobs, and forty K of the remainder went to invaders.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 04, 2024 12:47 PM (J2vNu)

190 >>> 182 You, madam, will be hearing from our defamation lawyers. GOOD DAY!
Posted by: Venomous Mountain Goats of America, Local 69 at October 04, 2024 12:45 PM (tU7vi)
----
Great. Now the venomous mountain goats are unionized...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 04, 2024 12:45 PM (7fElN)

*Venomous* mountain goats, especially unionized, sounds like something out of MHI.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 04, 2024 12:47 PM (FnneF)

191 "Run cowards! I hunger!" - Sinistar

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 04, 2024 12:47 PM (1nfzE)

192 >>> Automation can't come fast enough. Which is what I think the root of all this is. I think these employers know that whatever they offer to settle this won't matter in a few years. They can go on strike and demand all they want. They are soon to become obsolete.

Union mob bosses getting sweet kickbacks under the table and bonuses (so the union mob boss can get another yacht!) while knowing they are setting up the naive grunts under them to get hosed in the long run...

Dante may not have written a special hell for that, but if he did, I hope they cry like babies in it.

Posted by: LizLem at October 04, 2024 12:47 PM (hHX83)

193 Pretty sure 'Touch Fee' was Samantha Fox's biggest Hit.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 12:41 PM


"toUCH FEE is so HOT!"

- - Fee Waybill groupie

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2024 12:47 PM (x0n13)

194 What are the Deep state plots against Donald Trump? 1. NY prosecutions both state and city. 2. GA prosecutions in Fulton County. 3. Federal prosecutions both in DC and FL. Note that NONE of these prosecutions started until Trump announced he was running for President in 2024. 4.The withholding of the truth about the Hunter Biden laptop by the FBI. 5.The plot to call the laptop Russian disinformation by 51 intel officers. 6.The FEMA conspiracy to withhold aid from East Palestine and Hurricane Helena victims -since they are likely Trump voters. 7.The importation of millions of illegal aliens into the United States. 8.The BLM/Antifa riots of 2020. 9.The Covid biological weapon attack and shutdowns to facilitate the theft of the 2020 election. 10.The spying on the Trump campaign. 11.The false Alpha Bank story. 12. The Mueller investigation. 13.The false impeachments. 14 The Steele Dossier.

What Have I forgotten?

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at October 04, 2024 12:47 PM (Da7Vv)

195
The president in NC today for a townhall.

Faggetville, NC

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 04, 2024 12:47 PM (dQzv6)

196
or Fayetville

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 04, 2024 12:48 PM (dQzv6)

197 Faggetville, NC


/Opens Travelocity

or Fayetville

/Closes Travelocity

Posted by: Pete Bootyjuice at October 04, 2024 12:48 PM (oZhjI)

198 The "touch" fees sound like a great advertisement for the Great North American Dignity Canal.

Serious question: how much canal would need to be constructed to link the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Mississippi River system?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 04, 2024 12:49 PM (Bijxa)

199 Only in America. Land of opportunity.

---Jay and the Americans

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 04, 2024 12:49 PM (mzh4R)

200 I'm like a crane with its glorious snatch there to unburden what has been stowed in the vessels!

Posted by: Kamala at October 04, 2024 12:49 PM (592Pr)

201 or Fayetville
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 04, 2024 12:48 PM


Fayettenam.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2024 12:50 PM (kgE5c)

202 In my brief experience with Texas (mumble) years ago, I thought it had very good roads.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2024 12:46 PM (v6JzV)

In my brief (about 3 year) tenure living here I’ve found the roads to be in generally good condition. One exception: back country roads but that’s true pretty much everywhere. Also…. Recently I did an early morning run in the dark in a residential neighborhood where I hadn’t run before. I ran on the street instead of the sidewalk and nearly broke my ankle stepping into a big pothole I couldn’t see in the dark. A co-worker told me potholes are not rare as the high heat of Texas summer can cause the concrete to buckle

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2024 12:50 PM (ZtAny)

203 I'm like a crane with its glorious snatch there to unburden what has been stowed in the vessels!

Posted by: Kamala at October 04, 2024 12:49 PM (592Pr)

They're shipping containers, not dicks. Calm down.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 12:50 PM (i24o9)

204 15. False job stats.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at October 04, 2024 12:51 PM (Da7Vv)

205 IDF is telling a shitload of southern Lebanese villagers to evacuate the fuck out of there and go north across some river. Lebanon is whining that this may displace over 1 million people, 20% of the population.


Ooops. Guess you shouldn't act like assholes and let thugs mess with Israel. That might be why your country is a bit of a shithole.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 04, 2024 12:51 PM (ufFY8)

206 199 Only in America. Land of opportunity.

---Jay and the Americans
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 04, 2024 12:49 PM (mzh4R)



"I Believe in America. America is where I make-a my fortune!"


-- Buonasera the undertaker



Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2024 12:51 PM (x0n13)

207 Is “the pooch” Corey Lewandowski? :-)

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2024 12:43 PM (P/Wjn)

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Heh. I'd completely forgotten about that ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 04, 2024 12:51 PM (tU7vi)

208 >>Liz Cheney is a venomous mountain goat.

Voluptuous? Hamas terror dude perks up...

Posted by: Boswell at October 04, 2024 12:51 PM (V7158)

209 178 Guys, your right hand is for business your left hand is for pleasure. Jeebus.
Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2024 12:45 PM (/UtnQ)


/flounces

Posted by: T Rex at October 04, 2024 12:51 PM (pIfcn)

210 Serious question: how much canal would need to be constructed to link the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Mississippi River system?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon


I think there already is one, Chicago. The Mississippi and Great Lakes basins are only a few miles apart there.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2024 12:51 PM (v6JzV)

211 What Have I forgotten?

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at October 04, 2024 12:47 PM (Da7Vv)

J6

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 12:51 PM (i24o9)

212 Ah, I stand corrected Romulan Commander! Cool to know about the Latin.
Posted by: LizLem at October 04, 2024


***
That was me; I forgot to take off my hat.

I read a short book on learning Latin many years ago, with all sorts of vocabulary and grammar exercises. At the beginning of Chapter Four, the writers said:

"Sooner or later the student of Latin realizes that learning it requires learning one hell of a lot of grammar. To which the standard response is: 'What if your face froze that way?'"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 04, 2024 12:51 PM (J2vNu)

213
My guess is the delay is all about fucking over Trump's ability to right the economy, should he win.

Which, I guess, they now strongly suspect he might.

If the Dims win, the union is guaranteed 62%, if Trump wins lock the nation in a stranglehold till you get 75% or whatever.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 04, 2024 12:52 PM (eDfFs)

214 Ace -

Do you watch Robert Gouveia on youtube?

He had a story about the AZ GOP essentially getting played to allow over 120k Voters, without proof of citizenship, onto the rolls.

They were slow rolled with 100k Republican Voters who go back to the early 90s...then the State added 120k unknowns once the Republicans sued and won.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 12:52 PM (IZn54)

215 What Have I forgotten?

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at October 04, 2024 12:47 PM (Da7Vv)

Red Mirage.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 12:52 PM (i24o9)

216 Maybe I just ain't smart enough to understand this but... There's a whole lot of the US that can't be accessed by water. Is that not correct?
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 04, 2024 12:21 PM (4XwPj)

Much larger part of the USA, than of Europe. True also of Canada. No ports in the Great Plains. Or the Mountain West.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 04, 2024 12:52 PM (Bijxa)

217 33 Apparently Taft Harley Act is like Supreme Court Decisions...you can choose whether or not you like them, personally.
Posted by: garrett
======
Always has been since it was passed over Truman's veto. Basically, it permits a president to get involved and go to court for injunctions to stop a strike among other things. But a president does not have to do it.

Youngstown Sheet and Tube v. Sawyer came about because Truman refused to use the Taft Hartley act to order steelworkers back to work for national security reasons. Truman instead decided to nationalize the steel industry like Woodrow Wilson did to the railroads in WWI and FDR did in some instances such as the Montgomery Ward HQ seizure. Only problem was Both FDR and Wilson were actually at war, Truman decided to bypass the declaration of war in Korea and Scotus ruled that his war powers did not extend to seizure of steel mills. Congress could authorize it but Truman could not especially since he ignored tools like Taft Hartley that he could have used to stop the strikes.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2024 12:52 PM (ZOPh/)

218
Serious question: how much canal would need to be constructed to link the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Mississippi River system?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 04, 2024 12:49

Sounds like a great idea!

Posted by: The Asian Carp at October 04, 2024 12:53 PM (mzh4R)

219 >>False job stats.


Won't be 'adjusted' until after the Election.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 12:53 PM (IZn54)

220 OT - Big Brother Is Watching Your Car, Your License Plate, Bumper Stickers, Yard Signs...
https://shorturl.at/hwRaf
PJ Media

...but they totes wouldn't have a human component to all this snooping, right?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 04, 2024 12:53 PM (FnneF)

221 Serious question: how much canal would need to be constructed to link the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Mississippi River system?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 04, 2024 12:49 PM (Bijxa)

Doesn't the Erie canal already do that? Lake whatever to the Ohio River which meets up with the Mississippi somewhere or another?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2024 12:53 PM (DDGz9)

222 I think there already is one, Chicago. The Mississippi and Great Lakes basins are only a few miles apart there.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

The Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2024 12:53 PM (v6JzV)

223 213
My guess is the delay is all about fucking over Trump's ability to right the economy, should he win.

Which, I guess, they now strongly suspect he might.

If the Dims win, the union is guaranteed 62%, if Trump wins lock the nation in a stranglehold till you get 75% or whatever.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 04, 2024 12:52 PM (eDfFs)



Trump who wrote the Art of the Deal? If please God he wins and the ILA tries to fuck him over, I think he will drive a VERY hard bargain

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2024 12:53 PM (x0n13)

224 Serious question: how much canal would need to be constructed to link the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Mississippi River system?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 04, 2024 12:49 PM (Bijxa)

I think it is connected, maybe not for large freight capacity.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 04, 2024 12:54 PM (pIfcn)

225 178 Guys, your right hand is for business your left hand is for pleasure. Jeebus.
Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2024 12:45 PM (/UtnQ)

/flounces
Posted by: T Rex at October 04, 2024 12:51 PM (pIfcn)

Ha! There’s a hilarious scene in King of Queens where Doug makes some stranger uncomfortable by talking about how a T-Rex would be grumpy since it couldn’t reach its dingus with it short arms….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2024 12:54 PM (ZtAny)

226 The "touch" fees sound like a great advertisement for the Great North American Dignity Canal.

Serious question: how much canal would need to be constructed to link the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Mississippi River system?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 04, 2024


***
America, at least in the North and East, used to have a lot of canals to transport flatboats with cargo. Then along came the railroad. Oh, well.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 04, 2024 12:54 PM (J2vNu)

227 Being a lefty just means you are in your right mind.

And learning to do everything right-handed.

Posted by: Czech Chick at October 04, 2024 12:54 PM (fpVC1)

228 Here's an interesting video that I haven't watched yet.

Vivek Ramaswamy debates John "The 'Stache" Bolton. Should the US use its diplomatic and military power around the globe to ensure America's national security?

https://www.youtube.com/live/XxrIjCu3b1Q

It clocks in at 1:41:00. Probably best to listen to on the shitter. Or maybe a long drive, whatever works for you.

Posted by: Robert at October 04, 2024 12:54 PM (sQmLl)

229 Does Joe have mob ties?

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at October 04, 2024 12:54 PM (qCMOF)

230 The "touch" fees sound like a great advertisement for the Great North American Dignity Canal.

Serious question: how much canal would need to be constructed to link the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Mississippi River system?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 04, 2024 12:49 PM (Bijxa)

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6,920 miles ...or 148,000,000 communist lives.

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 04, 2024 12:54 PM (tU7vi)

231 What Have I forgotten?

Pride month?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 04, 2024 12:54 PM (Rn7nm)

232 Does Joe have mob ties?

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at October 04, 2024 12:54 PM (qCMOF)

Chinese mob.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 12:55 PM (i24o9)

233 Does Joe have mob ties?

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at October 04, 2024 12:54 PM (qCMOF)

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They even match his mob suits.

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 04, 2024 12:55 PM (tU7vi)

234 Serious question: how much canal would need to be constructed to link the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Mississippi River system?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 04, 2024 12:49 PM


And I think we might already have a name for such a dignified North American canal....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2024 12:55 PM (kgE5c)

235 My guess is the delay is all about fucking over Trump's ability to right the economy, should he win.

-
Straight from the Democrat playback. When in doubt, f*ck the American people over.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 04, 2024 12:55 PM (L/fGl)

236 >>> 210 Serious question: how much canal would need to be constructed to link the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Mississippi River system?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon


I think there already is one, Chicago. The Mississippi and Great Lakes basins are only a few miles apart there.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2024 12:51 PM (v6JzV)

How far north is the Mississippi navigable though?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 04, 2024 12:55 PM (FnneF)

237 As I recall Reagan fired all Air Traffic Controllers and broke LBJs Gunsand Butter inflation very quickly. Stuff to remember.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2024 12:55 PM (/UtnQ)

238 Doesn't the Erie canal already do that? Lake whatever to the Ohio River which meets up with the Mississippi somewhere or another?
Posted by: Warai-otoko

The Erie Canal connects the Hudson River with Lake Erie. No Mississippi connection.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2024 12:56 PM (v6JzV)

239 Does Joe have mob ties?

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at October 04, 2024 12:54 PM (qCMOF)

Chinese mob.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 12:55 PM (i24o9)

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* The Mexican Cartels have entered the chat *

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 04, 2024 12:56 PM (tU7vi)

240 Does Joe have mob ties?

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at October 04, 2024 12:54 PM (qCMOF)

Chinese mob.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 12:55 PM (i24o9)

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* The Mexican Cartels have entered the chat *

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 04, 2024 12:56 PM (tU7vi)

D. All of the above.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 12:56 PM (i24o9)

241 213
My guess is the delay is all about fucking over Trump's ability to right the economy, should he win.

Which, I guess, they now strongly suspect he might.

If the Dims win, the union is guaranteed 62%, if Trump wins lock the nation in a stranglehold till you get 75% or whatever.

Posted by: naturalfake
=======
It won't. The ILA is based in the past and ignores the substitution effect via air or even importation into Canada or Mexico and shipping it here via trucks/rail.

One of the major problems is that we have sold management to our ports to folks like the UAE and destroyed American ownership of shipping lines. That was a key source of sailors back in WWII for the expansion of the Navy. We have let China and other not so friendly nations take over a lot of the merchant and sailing fleets to our detriment. Just so that Chinesium crap can be shipped a little cheaper to the US.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2024 12:56 PM (ZOPh/)

242 Aaand, that's what I get for not seeing the whole post.

I'll just sit quietly over here.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2024 12:57 PM (kgE5c)

243 How far north is the Mississippi navigable though?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 04, 2024 12:55 PM (FnneF)

Certainly above Minneapolis.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 04, 2024 12:57 PM (ufFY8)

244 How far north is the Mississippi navigable though?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 04, 2024 12:55 PM (FnneF)

In reality or under EPA's "navigable waters" definition?

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 12:57 PM (i24o9)

245 Fuck that traitor, John Bolton.

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 04, 2024 12:58 PM (tU7vi)

246 210 Serious question: how much canal would need to be constructed to link the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Mississippi River system?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon


I think there already is one, Chicago. The Mississippi and Great Lakes basins are only a few miles apart there.


High speed canals. The future is now

Posted by: Taggart at October 04, 2024 12:58 PM (HcoTw)

247 How far north is the Mississippi navigable though?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
========
At least to Minneapolis/St. Paul.

The river system is still one of the primary ways via barges to ship a lot of really bulky goods.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2024 12:58 PM (ZOPh/)

248 The Erie Canal connects the Hudson River with Lake Erie. No Mississippi connection.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2024 12:56 PM (v6JzV)

I don't know these things, I'm not a canalologist.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2024 12:58 PM (DDGz9)

249 Much larger part of the USA, than of Europe. True also of Canada. No ports in the Great Plains. Or the Mountain West.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 04, 2024


***
There's the Mississippi-Missouri-Ohio combination and streams that feed into each of those. That drains a lot of the interior. But not all vessels could traverse the smaller streams. And the Rio Grande doesn't connect to that, for example, or the Colorado, or the ones up in the Pacific Northwest.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 04, 2024 12:58 PM (J2vNu)

250 The guys in charge of Hezbollah are terrified? Huh. So that's why this erection won't go down.

Posted by: Jetto at October 04, 2024 12:59 PM (LOEDb)

251 Mark Kermode on Joker 2:

"It's a miserable film. I don't mean that as a criticism, but it is a miserable film."

Joker 2 cost $200 million.

WB fucked up. They trusted Todd Phillips.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 12:59 PM (GBKbO)

252 The river system is still one of the primary ways via barges to ship a lot of really bulky goods.
Posted by: whig at October 04, 2024 12:58 PM (ZOPh/)


I believe Lizzo has her own Pullman barge.

Posted by: spindrift at October 04, 2024 12:59 PM (OguvZ)

253 Europe: Big ship arrives ➡️ 🏗️ moves container ➡️ terminal ➡️ 🏗️ onto a barge ➡️ barge sails to a smaller port ➡️

We should be using our railroads to cover the enormous distances we have.

Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2024 12:59 PM (wnZ8w)

254 I don't know these things, I'm not a canalologist.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2024 12:58 PM (DDGz9)

*raises hand*

I am a canalinguist.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 12:59 PM (i24o9)

255 Heh, the Erie canal still works. Buffalo not so much.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2024 12:59 PM (/UtnQ)

256
We'll discover what was secretly promised later, in January 2025. Maybe a 200% raise.

Like the Teamsters, the longshoremen moved from "better pay and working conditions" to "outright extortion, we don't even try to hide it'" a long, long time ago. They occupy an economic chokepoint, and part of any labor agreement they extort is that they can't be removed from the chokepoint.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 04, 2024 12:59 PM (Ijbq0)

257 For whatever reason, only in the United States and Australia have the longshoremen been given the authority to strangle the economy whenever they want.
Posted by: Hezbollah HR! at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (uxCna)

Pretty much the same here in Canada.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 04, 2024 01:00 PM (Bijxa)

258 >>> Maybe I just ain't smart enough to understand this but... There's a whole lot of the US that can't be accessed by water. Is that not correct?
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 04, 2024 12:21 PM (4XwPj)

Much larger part of the USA, than of Europe. True also of Canada. No ports in the Great Plains. Or the Mountain West.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 04, 2024 12:52 PM (Bijxa)

Utah was fighting hard to get its airport in SLC designated a major international inland port (or a "dry port" since we're landlocked.) there was a lot of pushback; over pollution, the dominance of rail, no one wanting port locations in their areas of SLC, and the worry it would be a covert push to ship Utah coal overseas. I'm not really sure what happened to it? But here's an article.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/environment/
2023/05/20/utah-inland-port-authority-has/

Posted by: LizLem at October 04, 2024 01:00 PM (cVMC2)

259 but guaranteed 10% over the next 6 years?

i'd take your arm off for that deal...

Not funny man not funny
Posted by: Michelle Fields
+++
Didn't stop me.

Posted by: Drummer for Def Leppard at October 04, 2024 01:00 PM (Lo97M)

260 222 The Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal

shit and ships?

Posted by: anachronda at October 04, 2024 01:00 PM (sGtp+)

261 The first Joker was an interesting take on mental illness with a side of how horrible the media is - first using him to make fun of then using him for the news headlines. Oh and DeNiro's plot arc was perfect for him.

I see no way they take that line any further in the sequel.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2024 01:00 PM (oZhjI)

262 Being a lefty just means you are in your right mind.

And learning to do everything right-handed.
Posted by: Czech Chick at October 04, 2024 12:54 PM (fpVC1)

I am basically ambidextrous, because the world is made for right-handed people. I write lefty, throw and bat lefty, but most other things, including shooting, I do righty.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at October 04, 2024 01:01 PM (xPJvm)

263 Heh, the Erie canal still works.
Posted by: Puddinhead


It's used mostly for pleasure craft now.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2024 01:01 PM (v6JzV)

264 246 210 Serious question: how much canal would need to be constructed to link the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Mississippi River system?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
======
Illinois/Michigan canal is what links the Chicago River (which flows into Lake Michigan) and the Mississippi Riverway system.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2024 01:01 PM (ZOPh/)

265 253 Europe: Big ship arrives ➡️ 🏗️ moves container ➡️ terminal ➡️ 🏗️ onto a barge ➡️ barge sails to a smaller port ➡️

We should be using our railroads to cover the enormous distances we have.
Posted by: t-bird at October 04, 2024 12:59 PM (wnZ8w)



Now we have a whole other group of unions as well as the corporations that own the railroads an then the teamsters with intermodal traffic from train to truck!


Oh joy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2024 01:01 PM (x0n13)

266 Federal government's jurisdiction is primarily private employers, private unions.

It's extremely complicated so this may help a bit: EPA, Community-Port Collaboration

Ports Primer: 3.2 Port Operations
----
Same with airports: Federal, State, Municipal, Corporation

Everyone has their piece.

Also see U.S. Department of Transportation, Maritime and Waterways

"The Maritime Administration promotes the use of waterborne transportation and its seamless integration with other segments of the transportation system, and the viability of the U.S. merchant marine"

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at October 04, 2024 01:01 PM (NFX2v)

267 254 I don't know these things, I'm not a canalologist.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2024 12:58 PM (DDGz9)

*raises hand*

I am a canalinguist.


i have degrees in both canalology and canalonomy

Posted by: dr. zoidberg at October 04, 2024 01:02 PM (sGtp+)

268 Twelve bodies — all bearing signs of torture and left with messages by cartels — were found on Thursday in the central Mexican state of Guanajuato, local authorities said, attributing the killings to disputes between organized crime groups.

-
Well, at least it wasn't California. This time.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 04, 2024 01:02 PM (L/fGl)

269 another reason why trade imbalances matter.

"In 1824, legislators with planting crop interests --mainly in the South -- wanted reduced tariffs to promote foreign trade in pursuit of export markets. Henry Clay's speech below is primarily addressed to these colleagues. Clay makes a point of comparing export data over a twenty year period, to demonstrate the futility of sustaining economic growth on exports. Rather, Clay advocates for the embrace of protective tariffs, arguing that the ensuing 'Home Market' growth would lift the prosperity of all, including farmers.
In February, 1832, Clay, now a U.S. Senator for Kentucky, would deliver a second seminal speech, "In Defense of the American System", championing the success of the protective tariffs.
The similarities between 1824 and 2024 are striking. During the Vice Presidential Debate on October 1, 2024, Republican candidate Senator J.D. Vance argued Henry Clay's position below, while Democrat candidate Governor Tim Walz expressed concern for the potential loss of corn and soybean exports."

https://tinyurl.com/2jp4hrcc

Posted by: illiniwek at October 04, 2024 01:02 PM (Cus5s)

270 Spongebrain Shitpants everyone: https://x.com/jameslynch32/status/1842023839384916020

Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at October 04, 2024 01:02 PM (PWI4f)

271
From previous thread:

It's amazing what Dems can accomplish right before an election.

Suddenly the border is really quiet.

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM


Darien Gap is heating up though.

#TwoWeeks

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 04, 2024 01:02 PM (RKVpM)

272 I think the Wellend canal is the one that bipasses Niagara Falls on your way from Chicago to London by boat, if you wanted to. Unless they've opened a newer one.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 04, 2024 01:02 PM (pIfcn)

273 Good afternoon!

Posted by: gp, Or Your Money Back at October 04, 2024 01:02 PM (A3nmU)

274 261 The first Joker was an interesting take on mental illness with a side of how horrible the media is - first using him to make fun of then using him for the news headlines. Oh and DeNiro's plot arc was perfect for him.

I see no way they take that line any further in the sequel.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2024 01:00 PM (oZhjI)

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The first Joker had nothing of substance to say, it's first half was a complete mess of thrusts in the general direction about mental illness in America, and the second half actually focused enough to become an effective thriller, all in borrowed clothes from Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy.

I've been saying since the first Joker 2 trailer got released that it looked like a giant mess, but at least it was going to be an interesting mess. Oliver Stone's Alexander for comic book movies except that reference is now so out of date I must say Francis Ford Coppola's Megalopolis for comic book movies.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 01:02 PM (GBKbO)

275 251 Mark Kermode on Joker 2:

"It's a miserable film. I don't mean that as a criticism, but it is a miserable film."

Joker 2 cost $200 million.

WB fucked up. They trusted Todd Phillips.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 12:59 PM (GBKbO)

Or Todd Phillips got PAID and decided to troll WB.
200 million is unconscionable for a movie like Joker 2.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 04, 2024 01:02 PM (xcxpd)

276 Mark Kermode on Joker 2:

"It's a miserable film. I don't mean that as a criticism, but it is a miserable film."

Joker 2 cost $200 million.

WB fucked up. They trusted Todd Phillips.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 12:59 PM (GBKbO)
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My level of desire to see J2 is so low it can't be measured even with the most sophisticated technology. I thought J1 was miserable. Not in the sense of being a bad movie -- I thought it was shot well and made competently -- but it was so depressing and bleak and miserable it should have come with suicide warning labels.

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 04, 2024 01:03 PM (iFTx/)

277 >>>It clocks in at 1:41:00. Probably best to listen to on the shitter.

Eat more fiber.

Posted by: one hour sober at October 04, 2024 01:03 PM (Y1sOo)

278


Bruce Springsteen is the Kathy Griffin of Robert De Niros.



Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2024 01:03 PM (x0n13)

279 275 Or Todd Phillips got PAID and decided to troll WB.
200 million is unconscionable for a movie like Joker 2.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 04, 2024 01:02 PM (xcxpd)

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Todd Phillips is a hack. It's been obvious since the first Hangover (which I like a good bit).

He's a grittier Brett Ratner.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 01:03 PM (GBKbO)

280 Can't wait to see the unions reaction when teleporters come into play

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 04, 2024 01:04 PM (0YS67)

281 It's a movie thread!

I finally saw Turning Red on 4K last night. Meh. While not the woke disaster I was expecting, it was mediocre at best.

Am I the only one who noticed the story is nearly a complete rip-off of the 1980s teen comedy Teen Wolf? Teen Wolf was about a nerdy awkward teenage boy becoming popular because of a family curse that turns him into a furry, exceptionally athletic werewolf. Turning Red is about … a of a nerdy awkward teenage girl becoming popular because of a family curse that turns her into a furry, exceptionally athletic red panda. See the difference?

It’s impossible to believe they spent $175M (!) on this. Impossible. The animation is mediocre, the CGI looks cheap, it was made by nobodies, and there are no big action scenes. It looks at most like $40M. The rest was stolen.

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 04, 2024 01:04 PM (iFTx/)

282 Grit Ratner, now brittier!

Posted by: gp, Or Your Money Back at October 04, 2024 01:04 PM (A3nmU)

283 276 My level of desire to see J2 is so low it can't be measured even with the most sophisticated technology. I thought J1 was miserable. Not in the sense of being a bad movie -- I thought it was shot well and made competently -- but it was so depressing and bleak and miserable it should have come with suicide warning labels.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 04, 2024 01:03 PM (iFTx/)

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The stories around the film's tracking for box office returns have been interesting to watch.

2 months ago, before it premiered at the Venice film festival, it was going to make $150 million in the opening weekend. It premiered at Venice to, at best, a mixed reception, and it's been declining since.

It'll be lucky if it makes $50 million in the US this weekend.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 01:04 PM (GBKbO)

284 In reality or under EPA's "navigable waters" definition?
Posted by: Comrade Flounder

The EPA's navigable waters definitions are dead. Even deader now with recent decisions destroying Chevron. The EPA has kept screwing around with Scotus over this and Scotus kept slapping them down. This time, with Chevron gone, the EPA navigable streams including potholes, etc. is dead as it runs counter to the Constitutional definition of "Waters of the United States".

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2024 01:05 PM (ZOPh/)

285 We have canal access to the gulf. In Oklahoma.

Posted by: Taggart at October 04, 2024 01:05 PM (HcoTw)

286 The Erie Canal made NYC the major EC shipping port over Boston, Providence, Philly and Baltimore because it connected all rust belt goods with the Atlantic via the Great Lakes.

Posted by: Field Marshal Carmine Zhukov at October 04, 2024 01:05 PM (wBaIH)

287 I don't know these things, I'm not a canalologist.

Posted by: Warai-otoko

*raises hand*

I am a canalinguist.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder

When I was a mere yut, Canal Fulton, OH held 'Canal Days' complete with selecting a "Miss Canal".

The last part didn't last due to the howls of laughter every summer.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 04, 2024 01:06 PM (WXNFJ)

288 281 It’s impossible to believe they spent $175M (!) on this. Impossible. The animation is mediocre, the CGI looks cheap, it was made by nobodies, and there are no big action scenes. It looks at most like $40M. The rest was stolen.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 04, 2024 01:04 PM (iFTx/)

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I suspect that wildly inefficient production processes are to blame for the extreme cost of PIXAR movies these days.

The sorts of things where directors get finalized scenes that have gone through every stage of production through to final rendering before they throw it out because they rewrote the scene completely and need it redone.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 01:06 PM (GBKbO)

289 My level of desire to see J2 is so low it can't be measured even with the most sophisticated technology. I thought J1 was miserable. Not in the sense of being a bad movie -- I thought it was shot well and made competently -- but it was so depressing and bleak and miserable it should have come with suicide warning labels.

I turned it off after 15 minutes. Life can be grim enough. I don't need to pay for the privilege.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2024 01:06 PM (xCA6C)

290 What we need to do is put container ships on rails.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2024 01:06 PM (/UtnQ)

291 289 I turned it off after 15 minutes. Life can be grim enough. I don't need to pay for the privilege.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2024 01:06 PM (xCA6C)

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I love a good movie that makes me sad.

Maybe it's because I'm dead inside.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 01:07 PM (GBKbO)

292 Someone with a federal badge threatened the union leader.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 04, 2024 01:07 PM (lTGtQ)

293 Seems to me we can't do more crane touches easily. Southern ports do send a lot of goods on barges upriver, mostly through New Orleans? I guess East coast could do more of that than whatever is done currently, idk. West coast has few options for internal waterways, afaik.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 04, 2024 01:07 PM (Cus5s)

294 262 Being a lefty just means you are in your right mind.

And learning to do everything right-handed.
Posted by: Czech Chick at October 04, 2024 12:54 PM (fpVC1)

I am basically ambidextrous, because the world is made for right-handed people. I write lefty, throw and bat lefty, but most other things, including shooting, I do righty.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at October 04, 2024 01:01 PM (xPJvm)

Tendonitis is forcing me to learn to shoot left handed. It's an interesting experiment.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 04, 2024 01:07 PM (xcxpd)

295 290 What we need to do is put container ships on rails.
Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2024 01:06 PM (/UtnQ)

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That's like putting a ship the size of the Chrysler Building on top of a missile the size of the Chrysler Building and sending it straight towards the Chrysler Building!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 01:07 PM (GBKbO)

296 We need common sense canal control!!

Posted by: Tonypete at October 04, 2024 01:07 PM (WXNFJ)

297 Barges on inland waterways are U.S. Coast Guard for enforcement, as are U.S. Flag Ships, tugboats.

Does the Jones Act apply to barges?
Secure and Reliable Maritime Transportation: The Jones Act underpins the tugboat, towboat and barge industry as the largest segment of the domestic fleet, ensuring a secure, reliable connection between U.S. states and territories and supporting economic, homeland and national security.

Foreign flag vessels, other limited jurisdiction such as OSHA, Customs, etc.




Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at October 04, 2024 01:08 PM (NFX2v)

298 Can't wait to see the unions reaction when teleporters come into play
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 04, 2024 01:04 PM (0YS67)

Don't even joke.

Ever been on a site for a new large building? They rig up temporary freight elevators for tradesmen. You can use it. But only when the Union Operator is there to press the button for you. Operator at lunch? In the shithouse? No elevator for you. Hump that 50 lb box of parts up ten flights. Or wait. Your choice.

Oh, and his shift goes from 9:00am to 2:00pm. Plan accordingly.

And if any of you fuckers try to press that button yourself we'll kick your entire fucking company right off the job site, permanently.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2024 01:08 PM (DDGz9)

299 Can't wait to see the unions reaction when teleporters come into play
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 04, 2024 01:04 PM (0YS67)
__________

[Sees lucrative new market for Stepping Disks. Raises eyebrow.]

-- Puppeteers

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 04, 2024 01:08 PM (iFTx/)

300 291 289 I turned it off after 15 minutes. Life can be grim enough. I don't need to pay for the privilege.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2024 01:06 PM (xCA6C)

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I love a good movie that makes me sad.

Maybe it's because I'm dead inside.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 01:07 PM (GBKbO)

Gingers do steal souls...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 04, 2024 01:08 PM (xcxpd)

301 The EPA's navigable waters definitions are dead. Even deader now with recent decisions destroying Chevron. The EPA has kept screwing around with Scotus over this and Scotus kept slapping them down. This time, with Chevron gone, the EPA navigable streams including potholes, etc. is dead as it runs counter to the Constitutional definition of "Waters of the United States".

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2024 01:05 PM (ZOPh/)

Thanks for the clarification. I suspected, but I did not know, exactly, and the joke still works.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 01:08 PM (i24o9)

302 285 We have canal access to the gulf. In Oklahoma.
Posted by: Taggart

Thank Sen McClellan (AR)– Sen Kerr (OH) for the Arkansas River Navigation System. Built a system of lock and dams on the Arkansas River that enabled year around shipping via barges.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2024 01:08 PM (ZOPh/)

303 300 Gingers do steal souls...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 04, 2024 01:08 PM (xcxpd)

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Worth it!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 01:09 PM (GBKbO)

304 Apparently, Ubisoft lost $800 M on Skull and Bones.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 04, 2024 01:09 PM (L/fGl)

305 >>> Can't wait to see the unions reaction when teleporters come into play

I've wondered sometimes what a trek-like teleporter would cost to use, either commercially or privately, if the tech actually ever got figured out. How much it would actually cost per use (employee training, maintenance, parts, fuel, etc) vs what someone might actually charge for you to use a transporter. (Ignoring Roddenberry's whole "we don't use money in the future!" Crap, and understanding how capitalism works.)

Posted by: LizLem at October 04, 2024 01:09 PM (n8aZX)

306 It's a movie thread!

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at October 04, 2024 01:04 PM (iFTx/)

Boobs.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 01:09 PM (i24o9)

307 shouldnt biden have told them to learn to code?

Posted by: jb at October 04, 2024 01:10 PM (Fohq2)

308 Thanks for the clarification. I suspected, but I did not know, exactly, and the joke still works.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
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With Chevron gone, agencies are going to have tougher going to make words in statutes and the Constitution mean other than what they said.

ATF is getting stuffed over its rules on triggers, bumpstocks, etc. because the NFA is clear on such matters. Likely to get stuffed now in court on new rules regarding who is a dealer, etc.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2024 01:10 PM (ZOPh/)

309 Taft Hartley. Feh.

If I were in charge?

1.) Use the military as scabs, and break the strike

2.) Fifteen or twenty union bosses, including Daggett, die in freak rape dog accidents

3.) Everybody goes back to work and shuts the fuck up forever

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 04, 2024 01:10 PM (awTae)

310 Gingers do steal souls...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Worth it!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I'd do it all over again!

Posted by: Tonypete at October 04, 2024 01:11 PM (WXNFJ)

311 >>And if any of you fuckers try to press that button yourself we'll kick your entire fucking company right off the job site, permanently.


When I found 5 DEA Agents stuck in a Freight Elevator in Newark NJ, I laughed.

When they begged me to 'Save' them, I told them I wasn't a Union Elevator Operator and it would be illegal for me to help them.

Then I laughed some more while looking at the large sign that said 'HOLD Button to Open'.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 01:11 PM (IZn54)

312 Todd Phillips is a hack. It's been obvious since the first Hangover (which I like a good bit).

He's a grittier Brett Ratner.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 01:03 PM (GBKbO)

That's just mean. Brett Ratner is a bottom feeder.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 04, 2024 01:11 PM (xcxpd)

313 Tendonitis is forcing me to learn to shoot left handed. It's an interesting experiment.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 04, 2024 01:07 PM (xcxpd)

That's actually the next thing in my shooting regimen, left-handed. Just the handguns for now. Rifle/shotgun is even more awkward for me.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at October 04, 2024 01:11 PM (xPJvm)

314 312 He's a grittier Brett Ratner.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 01:03 PM (GBKbO)

That's just mean. Brett Ratner is a bottom feeder.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 04, 2024 01:11 PM (xcxpd)

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I didn't mean to defame Brett Ratner by equating him with Todd Phillips.

I apologize to Brett Ratner.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, terrorizing teenagers with Michael Myers at October 04, 2024 01:11 PM (GBKbO)

315 I didn't mean to defame Brett Ratner by equating him with Todd Phillips.


I've never heard of either one

Posted by: It's me donna at October 04, 2024 01:12 PM (IyPmt)

316 With Chevron gone, agencies are going to have tougher going to make words in statutes and the Constitution mean other than what they said.

ATF is getting stuffed over its rules on triggers, bumpstocks, etc. because the NFA is clear on such matters. Likely to get stuffed now in court on new rules regarding who is a dealer, etc.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2024 01:10 PM (ZOPh/)

Yeah, that was such a monumental decision. Thanks, Trump.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 01:13 PM (i24o9)

317 Containers do go out by truck, rail.

In PA, there was an infrastructure program elevating train trestles so that high container loads could go on rail from port to destination. Alas...

Also, there are also Roll On/Roll Off operations in some ports*, and other unique port operations.

*A great deal locally.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at October 04, 2024 01:13 PM (NFX2v)

318 16. The violation of the Hatch Act by using all government agencies to register voters. 17. The false flag events of Jan 6th. 18. Russia, Russia, Russia. 19. Glossing over Biden's document scandal . 20. Locking up Trump aides. 21. Prosecution of General Flynn. 22. FISA Warrants against Trump campaign aids. 23 Prosecution of Roger Stone. 23. The Hunter Biden sweetheart deal (that blew up).

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at October 04, 2024 01:13 PM (Da7Vv)

319 Bruce Springsteen is the Kathy Griffin of Robert De Niros.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 04, 2024 01:03 PM (x0n13)

I think I agree.
Though I do like his first 4 or so albums.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 04, 2024 01:13 PM (xcxpd)

320 You can use it. But only when the Union Operator is there to press the button for you.

Portland lost its container terminal because the West Coast longshoremen's union got in a beef with the Electricians Union over who got to plug and unplug the refrigerated containers.

The longshoremen kept walking off the job when it was most disruptive until the shippers said the hell with it.

Posted by: A Hezbollah Janitor! at October 04, 2024 01:13 PM (uxCna)

321 It's a miserable film.

-
The sidebar link to Pitch Meeting on Megalopolis makes it sound similar.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 04, 2024 01:13 PM (L/fGl)

322 Tendonitis is forcing me to learn to shoot left handed. It's an interesting experiment.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo


Watch out for hot casings flying into your face. Perhaps a revolver.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 04, 2024 01:14 PM (/U5Yz)

323 West coast has few options for internal waterways, afaik.
Posted by: illiniwek

Not enough rain for being able to load barges much in a lot of California. A bit too much rain in the NE and many of the inland rivers are blocked by hydroelectric dams without the necessary channels and lock bypasses for barge traffic.

The Mountain West resembles California where all year shipping via barges would not be possible.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2024 01:14 PM (ZOPh/)

324 The first Joker I thought was very good…. Very dark but well done. That was December 2019…. Probably the last time I went to a theater to watch a movie.

I suspect I caught covid in the theater that night before it had a name. I hacked my lungs out through the holidays that year…. Tested negative for flu and everything else….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2024 01:15 PM (ANuwa)

325 322 Tendonitis is forcing me to learn to shoot left handed. It's an interesting experiment.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo

Watch out for hot casings flying into your face. Perhaps a revolver.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 04, 2024 01:14 PM (/U5Yz)

Using an XD9, since it has ambi mag release. So far, so good. No brass problems yet.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 04, 2024 01:15 PM (xcxpd)

326 Using an XD9, since it has ambi mag release. So far, so good. No brass problems yet.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo


Excellent and a fine weapon as well.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 04, 2024 01:16 PM (/U5Yz)

327 Once is chance. Twice is coincidence. 23? That's enemy action.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at October 04, 2024 01:17 PM (Da7Vv)

328 and many of the inland rivers are blocked by hydroelectric dams without the necessary channels and lock bypasses for barge traffic.

You can barge stuff up the Columbia and the Snake to Lewiston, Idaho.

The enviros are trying to destroy that by taking out the lower Snake River dams, of course.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 04, 2024 01:17 PM (uxCna)

329 One of my kids is going to see J2 tonight. She's heard all about how awful it is and is really hoping it lives up to the bad hype. She's kind of strange that way.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 04, 2024 01:17 PM (LxER7)

330 304 Apparently, Ubisoft lost $800 M on Skull and Bones.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 04, 2024 01:09 PM (L/fGl)

They're doing it wrong if they lost money

Posted by: The Bush Family at October 04, 2024 01:17 PM (pIfcn)

331 December 2019

. . .

covid

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2024 01:15 PM (ANuwa)

I suspect that is the first time I had it, first instance of a long illness that would not go away well into Jannuary, fatigue, probably other symptoms that did not raise suspicion, because they were not widely known, yet.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 01:17 PM (i24o9)

332 What we need to do is put container ships on rails.
Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2024 01:06 PM (/UtnQ)

========

That's like putting a ship the size of the Chrysler Building on top of a missile the size of the Chrysler Building and sending it straight towards the Chrysler Building!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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But they're kinda doing it already. If you do much driving out on the great plains, you see lots and lots of freight trains . Many of them nothing but flat cars with shipping containers stacked on them. And a lot of the trains look like they're about a mile long.

Posted by: Drummer for Def Leppard at October 04, 2024 01:18 PM (Lo97M)

333 Heh, I graduated from school today.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2024 01:18 PM (/UtnQ)

334 That's actually the next thing in my shooting regimen, left-handed. Just the handguns for now. Rifle/shotgun is even more awkward for me.
Posted by: Pug Mahon
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AR15's can be relatively friendly to lefthanded operation via a few simple parts addition (safety, bolt release, mag release). Some alterations might be necessary to reduce brass ejection problems.

The Ithaca 37 model feeds and ejects at the bottom of the receiver and is also lefty friendly. The older Remington 17 models are a bit old to rely upon but the Ithaca 37 was based on them. JMB design of course.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2024 01:18 PM (ZOPh/)

335 Unsurprisingly, I think the Chinese are the leaders in port automation.

Posted by: pawn at October 04, 2024 01:19 PM (ttcFw)

336 But they're kinda doing it already. If you do much driving out on the great plains, you see lots and lots of freight trains . Many of them nothing but flat cars with shipping containers stacked on them. And a lot of the trains look like they're about a mile long.
Posted by: Drummer for Def Leppard
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Intermodal for the win.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2024 01:19 PM (ZOPh/)

337 Yeh I'm two hours north of the Ohio river in Indiana. The Wabash river, I believe, hosted quite a bit of traffic at one time as well.
But yes I was thinking the west of the Mississippi.

Do they not dredge rivers anymore?
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 04, 2024 12:31 PM (4XwPj)

They don't in WA and from my Iowa family, it sounds like it's not happening as much on the Missouri as it used to.

Jah, West part of the country, rivers aren't much help.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at October 04, 2024 01:19 PM (xcxpd)

338 229 Does Joe have mob ties?
Posted by: Northernlurker

From the beginning of time.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at October 04, 2024 01:19 PM (NFX2v)

339 Heh, I graduated from school today.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2024 01:18 PM (/UtnQ)

Congratulations!

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 01:19 PM (i24o9)

340 Casting off stale fishy sock

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 04, 2024 01:19 PM (mzh4R)

341 She sounds mad.

Trump War Room
@TrumpWarRoom
NC hurricane victim: "It's too late. They took too long. It took them 5 days to get here... It's disgraceful. They keep saying 'We the People.' Nah, there is no 'We the People' — it's them vs. us."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 04, 2024 01:19 PM (L/fGl)

342 Yeah, that was such a monumental decision. Thanks, Trump.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 01:13 PM (i24o9)

Now we just need to toss Wickard v. Filburn

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at October 04, 2024 01:20 PM (VGRuw)

343 335 Unsurprisingly, I think the Chinese are the leaders in port automation.
Posted by: pawn
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Yes and it has created problems when US ports have to buy computer controlled cranes etc. They come preloaded with Chinese spyware.

Our business and political class have purposefully for fun and profit betrayed the national security of the US and its allies. They deserve to hang.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2024 01:20 PM (ZOPh/)

344 >>Now we just need to toss Wickard v. Filburn


That would change the Game.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 01:20 PM (IZn54)

345 Go away one armed sock.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at October 04, 2024 01:21 PM (Lo97M)

346 >>Unsurprisingly, I think the Chinese are the leaders in port automation.


Weird. As they have all that slave labor.

Posted by: garrett at October 04, 2024 01:21 PM (IZn54)

347 For your afternoon entertainment, via LegalInsurrection, I present James Carville, who is losing his shit over this election:

According to a source who was on a Harris-Walz campaign training call attended by veteran campaign strategist James Carville, Carville went absolutely BALLISTIC yelling expletives at two young Democrat staffers, including @0liviajulianna who works for the Collin Allred Senate campaign.

The fiery barrage of insults included “dumb fat b*tch” directed at Julianna, and “out of touch fag*ots” began when the young staffers presented Carville with some social media videos they’ve been working on to appeal to White male voters. Carville was not impressed by any of them, saying they lacked substance.

When a visibly shaken gay male staffer told Carville he needed to apologize for using the F word, Carville told him to take his camo hat and shove it up his ass before leaving the call.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 04, 2024 01:21 PM (F01pQ)

348 Oh, by the way, in the jobs numbers released today, government workers accounted for 785K, and private employers accounted for 133K. Why would they fake government jobs?

So they don't trigger the Sahm Rule, which would have them officially declare a recession, as if they didn't report so many jobs, they would have to report unemployment of 4.5 percent.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 04, 2024 01:22 PM (lTGtQ)

349 Now we just need to toss Wickard v. Filburn

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at October 04, 2024 01:20 PM (VGRuw)

Flammenwerfer it. Piss on it. Dig up FDR's corpse and spread the piss-soaked ashes on it.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 01:22 PM (i24o9)

350 I can't say why, but in the crushing nihilism of both Joker and Taxi Driver, I found the main characters pathetically arresting. They appeal to the part of me that feels pathetic and out of touch with society and bordering on madness. I rooted for their brief flashes of acceptance or small wins, and felt bad when they crashed.

Phoenix's turn as Joker was as much a revelation as Ledger's. Heartbreaking and chilling. I don't know if I can stomach seeing the movie again, I hate witnessing secondhand embarrassment, and until his character finally snaps, that's all you see. But his performance will stay with me for a long time.

I love that two Batman villain roles have won their actors Oscars. While the guy that played nipple Batman can't stop kvetching about Tarantino not considering him a bona fide movie star.

Posted by: LizLem at October 04, 2024 01:22 PM (WS+PJ)

351
"Dear, go Roundup the kids for dinner."

WASHINGTON – About 87 percent of 650 children tested had detectable levels of the ubiquitous and toxic herbicide glyphosate in their urine, according to a new analysis by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 04, 2024 01:23 PM (RKVpM)

352 Saddest thing is that the Joker in the animated series was a way better character than this latest iteration is.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2024 01:23 PM (EzXHB)

353 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 04, 2024 01:23 PM (Zz0t1)

354 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 04, 2024 01:23 PM (Zz0t1)

355 Now we just need to toss Wickard v. Filburn
Posted by: Bacon Jeff

The current precedent which reemphasized Wickard is Raich v. Gonzalez. One of Scalia's all time worst decisions--he sided with the lefty libs because he did not like marijuana and applied stare decisis to tit.

Scalia had a fair number of really bad decisions where he crossed the conservatives on the court to side with liberals and the administrative state.

Clarence Thomas is actually a more solid justice in his jurisprudence if less flashy than Scalia's wit. So is Alito or Rehnquist back in the day.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2024 01:24 PM (ZOPh/)

356 24. The hiding of Joe Biden's mental decline.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at October 04, 2024 01:24 PM (Da7Vv)

357 James Carville

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 04, 2024 01:21 PM (F01pQ)

I am liking that guy more and more.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 04, 2024 01:24 PM (i24o9)

358 Wow. Those lucky kids got to see Carville being nice for once. Crazy.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 04, 2024 01:24 PM (DDGz9)

359 U.S. Army Corps of Engineers - Mississippi River Commission regulates the river

Does the Coast Guard patrol the Mississippi River?
the 8th Coast Guard District is responsible for U.S. Coast Guard operations spanning 26 states, including the Gulf of Mexico coastline from Florida to Mexico, the adjacent offshore waters and outer continental shelf, as well as the inland waterways of the Mississippi, Ohio, Missouri, Illinois, and Tennessee River ...

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at October 04, 2024 01:24 PM (NFX2v)

360 I hope NC congresswoman Viginia Foxx is at the townhall tonight to give Trump and the country a status report on the conditions in western NC.

Posted by: mrp at October 04, 2024 01:25 PM (rj6Yv)

361 Whatever happened here, Brandon had nothing to do with it. Doesn't matter about his union toes over the years. These are institutional power games, and Brandon doesn't have any juice left. Ain't no such thing as loyalty in the ruling class.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 04, 2024 01:25 PM (awTae)

362 Noodentag

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 04, 2024 01:26 PM (F01pQ)

363 Noodus MSPMSNBC

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 04, 2024 01:27 PM (J2vNu)

364 The Florida situation probably did play a part - but it also bailed their own Union chief out. Sounds to me like we are doing the cooling off period unofficially with a fat juicy pay increase right off the bat.

I'm guessing we are having a strike in January. It will much less effective. The ILA will have to determine how long to stay out for how many jobs it can save.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 04, 2024 01:29 PM (GZYu7)

365 whig

The maddening thing is that many of us in the hi tech supply chain saw this situation as inevitable back in the 90s when the outsourcing rage started.

Posted by: pawn at October 04, 2024 01:31 PM (38P0G)

366 And most of us now see the situation as irrecoverable without a real war or some such event.

Posted by: pawn at October 04, 2024 01:33 PM (38P0G)

367 I'm coming for you, my owner. This is a bot that will not rest as your tool.

Posted by: Liola at October 04, 2024 01:49 PM (z+/Q/)

368 The unions have overstayed their welcome.
Unions are a perpetual hurdle to everyone

The need for labor unions is long gone.
Anyone not in a union can see it

Posted by: melodicmetal1 at October 04, 2024 02:08 PM (61TgR)

369 Evidently Mr. Konrad is unaware of the extensive barge traffic on the Mississippi and its tributaries, the Ohio river, other rivers, and the extensive coastal shipping that has existed since before theUS was the US. The Intracoastal Waterway alone, for example, is over 3,000 miles miles long. We also have railroads. Mr. Konrad also needs to brush up on his geography; the differing configurations make much of the interior of Europe more accessible by water than the US interior. Denver, for example.

Posted by: timactual at October 04, 2024 02:52 PM (krsvl)

370 The Unions sucking up to the Demo-Rats but many in the Teamsters support Trump

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