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Hobby Thread - October 5, 2024 [TRex]
Welcome hobbyists! Pull up a chair and sit a spell with the horde in this little corner of the interweb. This is the mighty, mighty officially sanctioned Ace of Spades Hobby Thread. By sheer random coincidence, a spin of the Ace of Spades Wheel of Hobbies(TM) has come up with a theme of DISASTER PREPARATION for this week.
What are the odds that disaster prep would come up on the Wheel of Hobbies(TM) with so much devastation being experienced by the good people of North Carolina, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida and Virginia? The Wheel knows all.
We can not assume that government is on the way to rescue or help. We need to be able to survive and take care of ourselves, our families and those near and dear to us. You might be wondering whether disaster preparation is really a hobby. With enough enthusiasm and commitment, anything can be a hobby. We do not need to resolve that issue today. Let us agree to call it a worthy endeavor that permit our continued enjoyment of hobbies, so it is hobby-adjacent. Work with me here.
Rules of the road. The interwebs are full of people with free advice and strong opinions. Topics like this lend themselves to competition and judgments about measures others are taking or not taking. Let us not do that.
Share your approach, experiences and thought process. Do not look down on others who are only prepared for DEFCON3 instead of DEFCON1. Do not call others idiots for storing only X days of water when anyone knows you need at least 4X or 5X days. Do not be that person that tells others they are not doing it right unless they are doing it the way you are.Some who think about disaster prep are oriented towards the Red Dawn Russian Invasion scenario, nuclear holocaust, or zombie takeover. If that is you, recognize that not everybody may be as hard core or is where you are on the prepper spectrum. Do not mock others because they are still learning or are a work in progress. Not everyone is going to be fully self-sufficient or off the grid. Help your fellow hordemates and make this a productive dialogue. Do otherwise and risk the barrel and banhammer. This is not the place to argue about climate change politics, Presidential responsiveness, FEMA, delays in activation of military and national guard assets, equity-based disaster recovery aid, the Director of Transportation, or similar themes. We will stipulate the relevant shortcomings and challenges. Politics can wait for other threads. Play nice. Do not be a troll and do not feed the trolls. Geez, TRex. Enough rules. Are pants still optional to participate on this thread? Yes, pants are still optional.
President Trump is speaking in Bulter, Pennsylvania today. Last time he did that, developments interrupted the hobby thread. We ask for protection, divine and otherwise, to avoid a repeat. On with the show...
Disaster recovery professionals often think in terms of recovery and resiliency. Resilience is being able to maintain some level of operations during an outage or disruption. Recovery is resuming operations after an outage. Similar but different. Resilience is bend, but not break. Recovery is repair after broken.
Think in terms of results, not causes. If you do not have power, the cause matters less than the outage. If you do not have water, the cause matters less than the fact that you have no water. No need for a different plan for each cause, partially because you can never fully predict the details. The longer term fixes will vary but near term needs are more immediate. Prepare enough to give yourself options and ability to keep your family operational. But how much is enough? What preparation and planning is prudent? What are your practices? With limited funds, what measures or supplies have you prioritized? What is in your kit that might surprise others? What tips do you have for someone preparing from scratch? Do you have lessons learned from prior disasters? How much is your preparation influenced by your location? How do you determine how much prep is enough prep? How do you think about power or fuel? Aside from equipment, what other plans do you have for managing information, meeting points, navigation, health care, etc.? Do you have favorite books, resources, checklists, and websites for wisdom?
Disaster supply checklist courtesy of the Florida Division of Emergency Management. The site has a downloadable pdf version for your printing and saving purposes.
Ready Kit from the US Dept of Homeland Security. The site has a downloadable supply list in pdf form.How To Start Prepping. A Practical Prepper Guide. At the link:
Prepping Checklist: Cover the basics first and start to learn about mental preparednessPrepping on a Budget: On a budget? Keep your focus and save money with this guide.
Suvival Stoic Toolkit: Learn how to train a prepping mindset
What is a Prepper? Is it something extreme or something more common?
Prepping Tips: Quick summary of things people miss as they prepare
Bug Out Bag: Find a list of everything to pack and what not to
Get Home Bag: Have everything you need to get home to your family
Do you think in terms of 72 hours? A week? A month? 72 hour outages are a lot more common than week, two week or month outages, but there is a cost to maintaining more resilience. Has Hurricane Helene changed your perspective? Has anything else you have seen caused you to re-think your approach to equipment or planning? Is anyone incorporating a Starlink into your thinking?
Seeing things like this on the interwebs - people moving away from the 72 hour guidance and setting goals of being able to keep their family healthy and safe for at least 30 days without support from civilization. No support from civilization means: No power, running water, natural gas, or other utilities of any kind. No supplies from the outside world, including food, gasoline, etc. No government or commercial services, including police protection, hospitals, etc. Being without power for a month is a big ask and requires serious planning. Can you think of ways to gradually build capability? Near, intermediate, and long term plans?Disaster prep might involve hunkering down in place. It might also involve evacuating. Do you have a bug out bag? What is in it? Do you have a mini-bug out bag always packed in your car?
The Ultimate Emergency Go Bag Checklist. Are You Disaster Ready? Bug Out Bag List. 111 Practical Do and Do not Tips for 2024Beyond the bug out bag, do you know what valuables that you would grab in an emergency evacuation? Do not disclose specifics but interested in what is on your list. Family photos? Paperwork? Hard drive backups? Cash? Jewelry? Firearms? Medicine? Chainsaw? Pets? Beer?
The situation in Western North Carolina suggests that part of a good disaster preparedness plan is knowing someone with a helicopter and having a way to contact them. Private helicopters have played an enormous role and I am amazed how many volunteer private choppers have been involved.
Are you wise in the ways of generators? Do you have a portable generator? Back-up for the house? How much fuel do you keep on-site? Regular rotational storage through multiple five gallon containers? Does anyone use solar for backup power or charging batteries?
Ham radio might be the only means of communication in an emergency. This video talks about ham radio in the context of Hurricane Helene:
Did you miss last week's hobby thread with a beer theme? The comments may be closed, but you can re-live the content.
Notable comments from last week:
Words of wisdom:
"Because despite all our troubles, when things are grim out in that wide round world of ours, that's when it's really important to have a good hobby." Posted by: tankascribe at June 22, 2024 07:41 PM (HWxAD).
If disaster prep is not your thing and you have trouble finding something in the content or comments that resonates with you, please write your name, birthdate, and next of kin contact information on your leg with permanent marker. We will resume usual Hobby Thread shenanigans and silliness next week. Write anytime about anything to moronhobbies at protonmail dot com.
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Welcome Hobbiests
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 05:31 PM (fwDg9)
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Can't say do much for disaster preparing
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 05:34 PM (fwDg9)
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Read it all so here I am
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at October 05, 2024 05:38 PM (ZVgZ4)
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Been busy this morning and now I feel like such a rookie when I peruse the thread and find no responses.
Such a rookie!
Such a rookie!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 05:39 PM (qKSAT)
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I'm not nearly as stocked-up as I'd like to be. Hell, if I weren't married with a kid, I'd be holed up in my Unabomber shack in the middle of nowhere with a 20 year supply of food and running water nearby. Alas...
I guess my amateur radio hobby is a sort of prep. To that end, I did another SOTA this morning. Band conditions were good enough considering all the recent solar flares.
I guess my amateur radio hobby is a sort of prep. To that end, I did another SOTA this morning. Band conditions were good enough considering all the recent solar flares.
Posted by: PabloD at October 05, 2024 05:42 PM (1yZeG)
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Canned and dry goods, check.
Gas generator, check.
Freezers with food, check.
Well for water, check.
Keep car and or truck full of gas, check.
Gubs to defend self and food, check.
More practice with gubs, not checked.
Cord of wood for outdoor cooking, not checked.
Gas generator, check.
Freezers with food, check.
Well for water, check.
Keep car and or truck full of gas, check.
Gubs to defend self and food, check.
More practice with gubs, not checked.
Cord of wood for outdoor cooking, not checked.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 05:43 PM (qKSAT)
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Posted by: Paul
So Paul, was Bush responsible for the FEMA response to Katrina? Yeah, I thought so...
Go back to your basement and prep for incoming.
So Paul, was Bush responsible for the FEMA response to Katrina? Yeah, I thought so...
Go back to your basement and prep for incoming.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 05:45 PM (qKSAT)
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Start with a plan--there are some disasters that are simply not probable in an area. Hurricanes call for one sort of preparedness, flooding another, and wind damage via tornadoes or straight line winds still another.
Throw in earthquakes, fires, epidemics/redux of Covid shutdowns, chemical/hazardous spills locally, terrorism, civilizational breakdown as it occurred in Katrina, etc. and malicious actions by our own governments.
So, you should have a short range plan, a medium range plan, and a bugout plan for likely disasters that you view probable in your area.
Once the plan is apparent, then add in lists of proposed resources that you need for each of them, figure in the size of household, and the relative importance of each item in relation to keeping you and yours alive. Don't forget pets in your equation.
Often other plans can and should be integrated into your prep planning--self defense, financial, and sheltering in place plans from immediate hurricane, earthquake, fire, threats.
Throw in earthquakes, fires, epidemics/redux of Covid shutdowns, chemical/hazardous spills locally, terrorism, civilizational breakdown as it occurred in Katrina, etc. and malicious actions by our own governments.
So, you should have a short range plan, a medium range plan, and a bugout plan for likely disasters that you view probable in your area.
Once the plan is apparent, then add in lists of proposed resources that you need for each of them, figure in the size of household, and the relative importance of each item in relation to keeping you and yours alive. Don't forget pets in your equation.
Often other plans can and should be integrated into your prep planning--self defense, financial, and sheltering in place plans from immediate hurricane, earthquake, fire, threats.
Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 05:48 PM (bt/Nj)
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Paul, you ignorant slut.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 05, 2024 05:48 PM (2UnvF)
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Ham radio is my weak area. I have one but not a license yet. Need to work on that.
Sad note. Good friend of mine is working Ham coverage for the recovery. Saddest thing he's heard so far were the calls for body bags.
Sad note. Good friend of mine is working Ham coverage for the recovery. Saddest thing he's heard so far were the calls for body bags.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 05:49 PM (W/lyH)
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I guess my amateur radio hobby is a sort of prep. To that end, I did another SOTA this morning. Band conditions were good enough considering all the recent solar flares.
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Comms are important.
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Comms are important.
Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 05:49 PM (bt/Nj)
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Pretty well prepped. Just wish that Jr. and DILIT would get started on creating young fire team members.
Posted by: RI Red at October 05, 2024 05:50 PM (OKniM)
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I have a couple days stuff, but no water stored. Got little metal things though, and some tubes for them to travel down. Figure those are trade items for necessities.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 05, 2024 05:51 PM (0eaVi)
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We are minimally prepped, with some things.
His car is well-stocked, but probably needs an updating as he's not traveling much at all these days.
I keep my car gassed up.
The trick for me is to stress natural disaster prep, since political speculation is verboten. Also, I kind of wrecked my cred with Y2K. But tornadoes and fires can happen anytime...
His car is well-stocked, but probably needs an updating as he's not traveling much at all these days.
I keep my car gassed up.
The trick for me is to stress natural disaster prep, since political speculation is verboten. Also, I kind of wrecked my cred with Y2K. But tornadoes and fires can happen anytime...
Posted by: sal, who watches way too much TCM at October 05, 2024 05:54 PM (f+FmA)
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You have to start *somewhere*. Even $20 a week or so can add up.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 05:54 PM (FnneF)
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Plan, alternate, contingency, emergency. also: no operation proceeds with any certainty beyond first contact with the main force.
Plan, alternate, contingency, emergency. also: no operation proceeds with any certainty beyond first contact with the main force.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 05, 2024 05:57 PM (awTae)
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Trump!!!
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 05, 2024 05:58 PM (4XwPj)
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Wow! This is a huge topic but worth serious thought. We don't have a bug out plan per se beyond making sure we keep the car fueled up. Our prep is based on staying at home. Keep in mind, this is for an older couple and one old dog. We are overall healthy and mobile but falling is a serious consideration, especially at my size.
A few (very few) beginning thoughts.
- Canned, dried and food we've put up.
- A couple of months worth of water and several Life Straws to deal with a tainted water supply.
- Medical supplies and various books on first aid.
- Basic tools to dig out of snow or mud and to do repairs to the house.
- Sources to heat food.
- Batteries for lanterns, flashlights, and radios.
- LOTS of candles and candle holders.
More to follow ...
A few (very few) beginning thoughts.
- Canned, dried and food we've put up.
- A couple of months worth of water and several Life Straws to deal with a tainted water supply.
- Medical supplies and various books on first aid.
- Basic tools to dig out of snow or mud and to do repairs to the house.
- Sources to heat food.
- Batteries for lanterns, flashlights, and radios.
- LOTS of candles and candle holders.
More to follow ...
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 05:58 PM (yTvNw)
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16 You have to start *somewhere*. Even $20 a week or so can add up.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 05:54 PM
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Yes. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. (attribution varies)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 05:54 PM
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Yes. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. (attribution varies)
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 05:58 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Thank you, whig. That is an excellent point and a way to keep from getting overwhelmed.
I really need to concentrate on just the two of us, instead of trying to plan for the kids in the cities to come here, if it gets sporty.
I really need to concentrate on just the two of us, instead of trying to plan for the kids in the cities to come here, if it gets sporty.
Posted by: sal, who watches way too much TCM at October 05, 2024 05:58 PM (f+FmA)
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I just look at it as being more resilient. "self contained" or whatever is a myth. Going it alone, Lone Ranger, uh-uh. That won't work.
But a small suitcase stove, lantern, catalytic heaters like Coleman made for 100 years are available for next to nothing, or even free. For standby duty, Coleman Fuel in the tank means it will light perfectly 25 years from now.
But you can use car gasoline no sweat. Just don't try to store car gasoline in your Coleman stove for even 2.5 years. It will turn to goo, and ruin your lunch.
Being able to heat up water for cleaning, cooking, light, and supplemental heat is awesome and goes a long way to taking the sting out of an inconvenient or prolonged loss of water and electricity and the rest of it. Tea, Cocoa, Coffee are big morale boosters. Soups, bouillon, snacks, smokes.
But a small suitcase stove, lantern, catalytic heaters like Coleman made for 100 years are available for next to nothing, or even free. For standby duty, Coleman Fuel in the tank means it will light perfectly 25 years from now.
But you can use car gasoline no sweat. Just don't try to store car gasoline in your Coleman stove for even 2.5 years. It will turn to goo, and ruin your lunch.
Being able to heat up water for cleaning, cooking, light, and supplemental heat is awesome and goes a long way to taking the sting out of an inconvenient or prolonged loss of water and electricity and the rest of it. Tea, Cocoa, Coffee are big morale boosters. Soups, bouillon, snacks, smokes.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 05, 2024 05:59 PM (8vxoL)
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14 I have a couple days stuff, but no water stored. Got little metal things though, and some tubes for them to travel down. Figure those are trade items for necessities.
Posted by: OrangeEnt
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If you have a water heater, toilet tanks, and a bathtub, you can store water easily. Most water heaters (not the instant on demand types) today have a drain faucet and essentially it is a big tank of pure enough water to drink from . If no power, shut off your water heater breaker until power is restored.
They make something called water-bobs for use with existing bathtubs--basically a large clear plastic balloon you can fill with water from the bathtub tap and draw at will.
If you have hot tubs or an outdoor swimming pool, those can serve as a water source as well if necessary. Look up lifestraw and various other hand powered reverse osmosis and filtration devices for sources like that.
Posted by: OrangeEnt
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If you have a water heater, toilet tanks, and a bathtub, you can store water easily. Most water heaters (not the instant on demand types) today have a drain faucet and essentially it is a big tank of pure enough water to drink from . If no power, shut off your water heater breaker until power is restored.
They make something called water-bobs for use with existing bathtubs--basically a large clear plastic balloon you can fill with water from the bathtub tap and draw at will.
If you have hot tubs or an outdoor swimming pool, those can serve as a water source as well if necessary. Look up lifestraw and various other hand powered reverse osmosis and filtration devices for sources like that.
Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 06:00 PM (bt/Nj)
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He said it!! He said "As I was saying!"
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 05, 2024 06:01 PM (4XwPj)
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I've a Honda eU 2000 purchased long ago. Works great, quiet. Dependable. Keep gas and oil and it will do just about anything within reason. Even runs (and starts!) a 5000 btu window air conditioner. Can hang meat with this thing in a smaller room.
Getting out of the heat is important, although it is October in the mountains and starting to get real chilly at night I bet.
Getting out of the heat is important, although it is October in the mountains and starting to get real chilly at night I bet.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 05, 2024 06:01 PM (8vxoL)
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We both have type 2 diabetes, fortunately on the milder end, and some other conditions, also fairly mild. We've done a lot of research on ways to deal with those if medicine is not available.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 06:01 PM (yTvNw)
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My first prepping thought was to move to mountains, where hurricanes didn't happen. Uh . . . one moment here . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 05, 2024 06:02 PM (omVj0)
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Looking over some of the lists, they are well done. The one thing I didn't immediately notice, and it may be there, is a long tube, say 6 feet. If nothing else, call it a Tennessee credit card for siphoning gas.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 06:04 PM (W/lyH)
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Here is my 2 cents worth of advice on prepping, iffn you ain't got water you are dead. I don't care if you have 365 days worth of food and a gazillion rounds of ammo on hand, without sufficient water you die and somebody else will come along and take your stuff.
Store as much bottled water as you can. We keep 6-9 cases of half liter bottles of water on rotation at our house.
Store as much bottled water as you can. We keep 6-9 cases of half liter bottles of water on rotation at our house.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 05, 2024 06:05 PM (QNSds)
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>>> 29 Here is my 2 cents worth of advice on prepping, iffn you ain't got water you are dead. I don't care if you have 365 days worth of food and a gazillion rounds of ammo on hand, without sufficient water you die and somebody else will come along and take your stuff.
Store as much bottled water as you can. We keep 6-9 cases of half liter bottles of water on rotation at our house.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 05, 2024 06:05 PM (QNSds)
Water; storage, tools to collect, tools to filter and purify.
Store as much bottled water as you can. We keep 6-9 cases of half liter bottles of water on rotation at our house.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 05, 2024 06:05 PM (QNSds)
Water; storage, tools to collect, tools to filter and purify.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 06:06 PM (FnneF)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 05, 2024 06:06 PM (d9fT1)
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21 Thank you, whig. That is an excellent point and a way to keep from getting overwhelmed.
I really need to concentrate on just the two of us, instead of trying to plan for the kids in the cities to come here, if it gets sporty.
Posted by: sal
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I was in AF Civil Engineering for a hitch and we planned for all sorts of nasty things. Did disaster recovery ops for various disasters as well.
Our unit was designed to support the infrastructure for distant airbases and fix broken things whether by nature or by enemy action.
Reducing the options to respond to the most probable damage saves money, time, and space and gradually less probable events can also be accounted for in planning and resources.
Easy to get overwhelmed so you start with immediate likely emergencies, spread then to 72 hours, and then one week, etc. and scale up.
Property also is always worth less than lives so if you have to make tradeoffs, make them in favor of living rather than trying to save property at the risk of one's own life.
I really need to concentrate on just the two of us, instead of trying to plan for the kids in the cities to come here, if it gets sporty.
Posted by: sal
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I was in AF Civil Engineering for a hitch and we planned for all sorts of nasty things. Did disaster recovery ops for various disasters as well.
Our unit was designed to support the infrastructure for distant airbases and fix broken things whether by nature or by enemy action.
Reducing the options to respond to the most probable damage saves money, time, and space and gradually less probable events can also be accounted for in planning and resources.
Easy to get overwhelmed so you start with immediate likely emergencies, spread then to 72 hours, and then one week, etc. and scale up.
Property also is always worth less than lives so if you have to make tradeoffs, make them in favor of living rather than trying to save property at the risk of one's own life.
Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 06:06 PM (bt/Nj)
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I kind of wrecked my cred with Y2K. But tornadoes and fires can happen anytime...
Posted by: sal
You didn't wreck yours as totally as the family who had this house before us. When covid panic set in they spent 8K on TP and dry food. And then stored all the food in the original containers inside orange HD buckets. They trashed it before moving to the Moab area. (No way I'd eat any of that food poorly stored.)
Posted by: sal
You didn't wreck yours as totally as the family who had this house before us. When covid panic set in they spent 8K on TP and dry food. And then stored all the food in the original containers inside orange HD buckets. They trashed it before moving to the Moab area. (No way I'd eat any of that food poorly stored.)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 06:07 PM (qKSAT)
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25 I've a Honda eU 2000 purchased long ago. Works great, quiet. Dependable. Keep gas and oil and it will do just about anything within reason.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 05, 2024 06:01 PM
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How much fuel do you keep on hand?
Posted by: Common Tater at October 05, 2024 06:01 PM
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How much fuel do you keep on hand?
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 06:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Store as much bottled water as you can. We keep 6-9 cases of half liter bottles of water on rotation at our house.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 05, 2024 06:05 PM (QNSds)
Water; storage, tools to collect, tools to filter and purify.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 06:06 PM (FnneF)
This.
It really is the Achilles heel of all this, whether one stays or.leaves. plan accordingly.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 05, 2024 06:05 PM (QNSds)
Water; storage, tools to collect, tools to filter and purify.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 06:06 PM (FnneF)
This.
It really is the Achilles heel of all this, whether one stays or.leaves. plan accordingly.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 06:08 PM (W/lyH)
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Might seem obvious but we have plenty of warm clothing, blankets, and similar. Losing power in a heat wave is nasty but, for us, not as serious as freezing weather.
We have a gas stove and oven in the kitchen. As long as the gas supply is available, we can light the burners with a match. That can provide warmth as well as food preparation. Our Weber grill can work with charcoal (preferred) or even scrap wood.
Again, most of our plans are built around staying in place.
We have a gas stove and oven in the kitchen. As long as the gas supply is available, we can light the burners with a match. That can provide warmth as well as food preparation. Our Weber grill can work with charcoal (preferred) or even scrap wood.
Again, most of our plans are built around staying in place.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 06:08 PM (yTvNw)
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31 Worst case for water...use bleach to sterilize it.
6-8 drops of fresh bleach/gallon of water.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Straining it and boiling it works too.
6-8 drops of fresh bleach/gallon of water.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Straining it and boiling it works too.
Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 06:08 PM (bt/Nj)
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Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 06:00 PM (bt/Nj)
Yeah, I have a traditional water heater in the garage. I'd have to get those bladders, don't think I could drink out of the bathtub... and certainly not out of the toilet.
I've seen the RO stuff and the straws. Seem like a cheap enough investment.
Yeah, I have a traditional water heater in the garage. I'd have to get those bladders, don't think I could drink out of the bathtub... and certainly not out of the toilet.
I've seen the RO stuff and the straws. Seem like a cheap enough investment.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at October 05, 2024 06:08 PM (0eaVi)
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We have two 9400 watt generators and a transfer switch to the house panel so we can run (though not all at the same time) the AC, the furnace, the well, the septic and the refrigerator. We can also slave off the RV. Six 5 gallon gas cans and four propane bottles.
We have two 9400 watt generators and a transfer switch to the house panel so we can run (though not all at the same time) the AC, the furnace, the well, the septic and the refrigerator. We can also slave off the RV. Six 5 gallon gas cans and four propane bottles.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 05, 2024 06:09 PM (Xxha1)
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36 Might seem obvious but we have plenty of warm clothing, blankets, and similar. Losing power in a heat wave is nasty but, for us, not as serious as freezing weather.
We have a gas stove and oven in the kitchen. As long as the gas supply is available, we can light the burners with a match. That can provide warmth as well as food preparation. Our Weber grill can work with charcoal (preferred) or even scrap wood.
Again, most of our plans are built around staying in place.
Posted by: JTB
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Heat is more important than ac. One can live without ac as people have done for millennia despite it being unpleasant--can't live without heat.
We have a gas stove and oven in the kitchen. As long as the gas supply is available, we can light the burners with a match. That can provide warmth as well as food preparation. Our Weber grill can work with charcoal (preferred) or even scrap wood.
Again, most of our plans are built around staying in place.
Posted by: JTB
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Heat is more important than ac. One can live without ac as people have done for millennia despite it being unpleasant--can't live without heat.
Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 06:09 PM (bt/Nj)
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Our 16 year old dog needs a specific food to stay healthy. We makes sure there is always a 2 month supply of her canned food.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 06:11 PM (yTvNw)
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Food - check
Water - check
Power - check
Medical supplies - check
Electronic contact - cell phone plus PC if the internetz are still working.
4WD vehicle - check
Water can be managed by having the means to boil water or the use of disinfectant tables or a filtration system. I have all three
For power, I have 12V LiFePo batteries that I keep charged + 1100 maximum watts of solar panels. A 2048 WH powerstation, 2000W pure sine inverter, solar controller.
For cooking and boiling water, I have 2 Coleman stoves that run on white gas (naptha).
Food should be sorted by expiration date and used to avoid wastage.
Over the years I've endured many days of power outages from hurricane damage and ice storms. It's worth it to be prepared.
Water - check
Power - check
Medical supplies - check
Electronic contact - cell phone plus PC if the internetz are still working.
4WD vehicle - check
Water can be managed by having the means to boil water or the use of disinfectant tables or a filtration system. I have all three
For power, I have 12V LiFePo batteries that I keep charged + 1100 maximum watts of solar panels. A 2048 WH powerstation, 2000W pure sine inverter, solar controller.
For cooking and boiling water, I have 2 Coleman stoves that run on white gas (naptha).
Food should be sorted by expiration date and used to avoid wastage.
Over the years I've endured many days of power outages from hurricane damage and ice storms. It's worth it to be prepared.
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 06:11 PM (rj6Yv)
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This thread is timely for me--for some reason I spent a lot of time last night planning how I would bug out if I had to, thinking what I would take, depending on how much time. I used to think if I had to evacuate from my safe neighborhood, I was screwed anyway, but last night I really got anxious. My biggest snag was how I would catch the cats out from under the beds, to put them in carriers.
Otherwise I'm okay at least for a couple of weeks. I store water in the garage in large kitty litter jugs (don't judge me) and I live within walking distance of a good sized creek. I agree, water is the biggest concern.
Otherwise I'm okay at least for a couple of weeks. I store water in the garage in large kitty litter jugs (don't judge me) and I live within walking distance of a good sized creek. I agree, water is the biggest concern.
Posted by: skywch at October 05, 2024 06:12 PM (uqhmb)
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Having gas stove is a great start if power goes out for extended period
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 06:12 PM (fwDg9)
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I've seen the RO stuff and the straws. Seem like a cheap enough investment.
Posted by: OrangeEnt
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The cheapest diy filters for dirty water are a sort of stacked filtration system using 5 gallon buckets, sand, etc. that progressively get the ick of slime, etc. out of nasty water you might obtain via gutters, etc. Doing the primitive staged filtration helps save valuable fine filtration for your hand reverse osmosis pumps, lifestraws, etc. Gray water is also ok for spit bathing, etc.
Posted by: OrangeEnt
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The cheapest diy filters for dirty water are a sort of stacked filtration system using 5 gallon buckets, sand, etc. that progressively get the ick of slime, etc. out of nasty water you might obtain via gutters, etc. Doing the primitive staged filtration helps save valuable fine filtration for your hand reverse osmosis pumps, lifestraws, etc. Gray water is also ok for spit bathing, etc.
Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 06:13 PM (bt/Nj)
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Straining it and boiling it works too.
Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 06:08 PM (bt/Nj)
Yup. But using precious fuel to make potable water may be a problem. A gallon jug of bleach costs very little and can sterilize hundreds of gallons of water.
Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 06:08 PM (bt/Nj)
Yup. But using precious fuel to make potable water may be a problem. A gallon jug of bleach costs very little and can sterilize hundreds of gallons of water.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 05, 2024 06:13 PM (d9fT1)
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A quick way to get a fresh standby 100 gal of water is to place a non-heating 100g water heater inline with your hot water tank. Placing it inline means that extra tank is always fresh.
(When I read about using this technique they kept the broken water heater as it was being replaced.)
(When I read about using this technique they kept the broken water heater as it was being replaced.)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 06:14 PM (qKSAT)
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Otherwise I'm okay at least for a couple of weeks. I store water in the garage in large kitty litter jugs (don't judge me) and I live within walking distance of a good sized creek. I agree, water is the biggest concern.
Posted by: skywch at October 05, 2024 06:12 PM
We used to keep all of our empty kitty litter buckets and they came in handy when we lived in Connecticut and had back to back hurricanes come through. We were on a community well and when the power went out we had no water. We took the empty kitty litter buckets to the creek and filled them up so we could at least flush the toilets.
Posted by: skywch at October 05, 2024 06:12 PM
We used to keep all of our empty kitty litter buckets and they came in handy when we lived in Connecticut and had back to back hurricanes come through. We were on a community well and when the power went out we had no water. We took the empty kitty litter buckets to the creek and filled them up so we could at least flush the toilets.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 05, 2024 06:14 PM (QNSds)
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This rally in Butler is incredibly moving. Amazing.
Posted by: JenWestin at October 05, 2024 06:15 PM (npCWF)
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43 I live within walking distance of a good sized creek.
Posted by: skywch at October 05, 2024 06:12 PM
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Natural sources of water certainly provide more options (presuming they haven't swept away your home first).
Posted by: skywch at October 05, 2024 06:12 PM
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Natural sources of water certainly provide more options (presuming they haven't swept away your home first).
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 06:15 PM (IQ6Gq)
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A lot of wisdom for living rough is found in Army and Air Force engineering manuals including how to make privvys, etc.
Cheap printed reprints at Amazon, gunshows often have them, and you can download them (presumably printing them afterwards) for free usually. If you put them on an ebook, best have some way to recharge that.
Cheap printed reprints at Amazon, gunshows often have them, and you can download them (presumably printing them afterwards) for free usually. If you put them on an ebook, best have some way to recharge that.
Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 06:16 PM (bt/Nj)
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My sister lives on an island. It has regular ferry service BUT even though ambulances have first-load rights it can still take an hour to get to a hospital. They have a medical helicopter insurance service you can sign up for. Not expensive, actually, and if you really need emergency medical help it is the only quick way. I'm thinking the isolated rural areas might benefit from something similar. Pool your resources, get an insurance policy for a helo when needed.
Posted by: Sabrina Chase at October 05, 2024 06:16 PM (rw18T)
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A lesson learned in CA: keep the essentials you want/need to evacuate QUICKLY in a designated place. You can't take everything, but medications, insurance docs, deeds, important telephone numbers, computers, expernal drives, clothes for a couple of days, etc. Prepare a list in advance, because when they say to go your mind will not be rational....
Posted by: Grateful at October 05, 2024 06:16 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Worst case for water...use bleach to sterilize it.
6-8 drops of fresh bleach/gallon of water.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 05, 2024 06:06 PM (d9fT1)
That works, but be careful with laundry bleach. It only lasts one year from date of manufacture and don't use bleach with additional additives, just the basic bleach. The best bet is using PoolShock at least 65 to 70% strength. It is a powder that will last much longer than laundry bleach and a little bit can go a long ways. Check YT videos for using PoolShock for emergency water supplies.
6-8 drops of fresh bleach/gallon of water.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 05, 2024 06:06 PM (d9fT1)
That works, but be careful with laundry bleach. It only lasts one year from date of manufacture and don't use bleach with additional additives, just the basic bleach. The best bet is using PoolShock at least 65 to 70% strength. It is a powder that will last much longer than laundry bleach and a little bit can go a long ways. Check YT videos for using PoolShock for emergency water supplies.
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 06:17 PM (rj6Yv)
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Hope you found what I said useful. Gotta go now.
Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 06:17 PM (bt/Nj)
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I've begun collecting all the blow down in the yard, breaking it up into usable pieces and storing it.
Free fuel for the hibachi.
So, do you set a schedule to go through all the supplies to keep them up to date? Monthly? Seasonally?
Free fuel for the hibachi.
So, do you set a schedule to go through all the supplies to keep them up to date? Monthly? Seasonally?
Posted by: sal, who watches way too much TCM at October 05, 2024 06:17 PM (f+FmA)
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Natural sources of water certainly provide more options (presuming they haven't swept away your home first).
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 06:15 PM (IQ6Gq)
Absolutely.
I have a small brook 50 yards from my back door, and a small river 1/4 mile away.
If we don't have to leave, water won't be a significant problem.
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 06:15 PM (IQ6Gq)
Absolutely.
I have a small brook 50 yards from my back door, and a small river 1/4 mile away.
If we don't have to leave, water won't be a significant problem.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 05, 2024 06:17 PM (d9fT1)
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That works, but be careful with laundry bleach. It only lasts one year from date of manufacture and don't use bleach with additional additives, just the basic bleach. The best bet is using PoolShock at least 65 to 70% strength.
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 06:17 PM (rj6Yv)
100% correct.
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 06:17 PM (rj6Yv)
100% correct.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 05, 2024 06:18 PM (d9fT1)
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If you've city water service and a conventional water heater and anticipate needing or wanting that water in an emergency make sure to close the main water valve at the service entrance. When the pressure goes away, and water is being sucked out of the entire system it can "pull" the water remaining in the water heater, back out into the street pipes or whatever. You want to isolate this if you can by shutting the valve. Sometimes nobody really is sure where that is.
Or it doesn't get "exercised" and is sort of stuck open after 20 years.
Or it doesn't get "exercised" and is sort of stuck open after 20 years.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 05, 2024 06:19 PM (8vxoL)
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Cement blocks, a piece of grating and an axe. Helps having an abundance of mesquite trees but the less things that require gas the better.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 05, 2024 06:19 PM (I1GXe)
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JTB alludes to something up thread. How old are you? This can be a deciding point for you on whether to go or stay? (Unless of course that decision is made for you by the specific situation.). I'm over 29 and in good shape. Mrs D isn't so I plan around that.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 06:19 PM (W/lyH)
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Prepare a list in advance, because when they say to go your mind will not be rational....
Posted by: Grateful
My sister lost everything when one of those fast moving CA forest fires swept through her neighborhood in Santa Barbara.
The only thing left of the house was the slab and the fire was so hot it had to be removed.
She didn't have time to *save* anything except for the dog and herself.
Posted by: Grateful
My sister lost everything when one of those fast moving CA forest fires swept through her neighborhood in Santa Barbara.
The only thing left of the house was the slab and the fire was so hot it had to be removed.
She didn't have time to *save* anything except for the dog and herself.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 06:20 PM (qKSAT)
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Cement blocks, a piece of grating and an axe. Helps having an abundance of mesquite trees but the less things that require gas the better.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 05, 2024 06:19 PM (I1GXe)
And cooking over mesquite makes the jackrabbits taste better
Posted by: Ben Had at October 05, 2024 06:19 PM (I1GXe)
And cooking over mesquite makes the jackrabbits taste better
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 06:21 PM (rj6Yv)
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I have a pretty decent stash of long term storage. Am focusing on canned goods. If you have empty canning jars, fill those with water till you use them. I have a Life Straw but went ahead and got a Berky filter for home. I have one of the bathtub bladders for water storage. Lots of dog and cat food. I focus on things that don't need refrigeration. I do have two solar power banks and solar panels to charge.
I'm working on the ham license. I got a Baofeng cause you gotta start somewhere. I will put together a small bug out bag for the car and add some items to the trailer. I'm not prepared for everything but could hold out for awhile.
I'm working on the ham license. I got a Baofeng cause you gotta start somewhere. I will put together a small bug out bag for the car and add some items to the trailer. I'm not prepared for everything but could hold out for awhile.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:21 PM (gfViB)
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Sal, I do that some with blown down sticks. I have an indoor fireplace but would like to get a fire pit for outside, to cook meat.
As far as rotation, I just go around and look at expiration dates sometimes. I know how "new" canned food is by the different places I've got it stored.
Took advantage of Chewy's sales to lay in a lot of cat food and litter. These cats wouldn't go hungry all winter!
As far as rotation, I just go around and look at expiration dates sometimes. I know how "new" canned food is by the different places I've got it stored.
Took advantage of Chewy's sales to lay in a lot of cat food and litter. These cats wouldn't go hungry all winter!
Posted by: skywch at October 05, 2024 06:22 PM (uqhmb)
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43 My biggest snag was how I would catch the cats out from under the beds, to put them in carriers.
Posted by: skywch at October 05, 2024 06:12 PM
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If you can survive this, you can survive almost anything. In my experience, cats are not enamored of such endeavors.
Posted by: skywch at October 05, 2024 06:12 PM
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If you can survive this, you can survive almost anything. In my experience, cats are not enamored of such endeavors.
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 06:22 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Our planning is not just about a natural disaster in our location. It could be a matter of the supply chain being disrupted far away. That can involve the availability of food, paper products, medicine, etc.
Being prepared for problems just seems like a natural thing to do. We are always amazed at people who never have cash and basic emergency supplies on hand. Especially cash and in usable denominations. No electricity means no computers, ATMs, cash registers, most banking functions or any other means to pay for things or get more money.
Being prepared for problems just seems like a natural thing to do. We are always amazed at people who never have cash and basic emergency supplies on hand. Especially cash and in usable denominations. No electricity means no computers, ATMs, cash registers, most banking functions or any other means to pay for things or get more money.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 06:22 PM (yTvNw)
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Surprisingly Communist News Network has rally on
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 06:22 PM (fwDg9)
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A few grams of re-sublimated Iodine crystals (pronounced I-Oh-Deen) a small glass bottle, and a bakelite cap and Bob's Yer Uncle for water disinfection.
This will last decades, as long as you keep the crystals covered with water. A super saturated solution of Iodine results, that can be used to purify raw water and render it safe for drinking. It will taste like crap.
Iodine tablets in the bottle expire after a couple years. The correct answer at promotion boards, when asked what color they should be: "Steel Gray". Betcha they aren't.
This will last decades, as long as you keep the crystals covered with water. A super saturated solution of Iodine results, that can be used to purify raw water and render it safe for drinking. It will taste like crap.
Iodine tablets in the bottle expire after a couple years. The correct answer at promotion boards, when asked what color they should be: "Steel Gray". Betcha they aren't.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 05, 2024 06:24 PM (8vxoL)
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67 We are always amazed at people who never have cash and basic emergency supplies on hand. Especially cash and in usable denominations.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 06:22 PM
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Cash has to be one of the most underappreciated items. Thanks for mentioning.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 06:22 PM
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Cash has to be one of the most underappreciated items. Thanks for mentioning.
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 06:25 PM (IQ6Gq)
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On the medical front, if you use a CPAP machine, a 12V power adapter allows you to run your machine off of a 12v battery.
If you are allergic to insect stings, stock up on epi pens and antihistamines and routinely check the expiration dates. I've read reports that stinging incidents skyrocket after flooding as nests are destroyed and the insect colonies are on the move and angry.
If you are allergic to insect stings, stock up on epi pens and antihistamines and routinely check the expiration dates. I've read reports that stinging incidents skyrocket after flooding as nests are destroyed and the insect colonies are on the move and angry.
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 06:25 PM (rj6Yv)
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I did see a recommendation, from a guy that survived Katrina to scan all your important documents to a thumb drive. He lost his in the flood and missed out on some jobs after the storm as a result.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:26 PM (gfViB)
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68 Surprisingly Communist News Network has rally on
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 06:22
They need the ratings.
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 06:22
They need the ratings.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at October 05, 2024 06:26 PM (dg+HA)
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Thank you for mentioning the cash stash.
That is one of the things that gets overlooked.
That is one of the things that gets overlooked.
Posted by: sal, who watches way too much TCM at October 05, 2024 06:27 PM (f+FmA)
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You should always be prepared, but it’s not like the people in the mountains had much warning.
Posted by: Allen at October 05, 2024 06:27 PM (QL7eB)
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I have a big bottle of cheap antihistamine tablets, the dipo stuff like Benadryl. Something I read the other night about expired meds said that was the med that could last the longest after expiration date, possibly as long as 15 years after. Good to know!
Posted by: skywch at October 05, 2024 06:27 PM (uqhmb)
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>>> 68 Surprisingly Communist News Network has rally on
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 06:22 PM (fwDg9)
Considering the last time...
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 06:22 PM (fwDg9)
Considering the last time...
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 06:28 PM (FnneF)
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Bleach is okay; but, I learned while brewing that a non-rinse, untastable level of Iodine is roughly a teaspoon per 5 gal.
We used a product made for washing cow udders Udderwash to clean and sanitize all our beer equipment. It was used in all the breweries when microbreweries became popular.
You just have to make sure the type you get doesn't have any additives that you don't want to consume.
We used a product made for washing cow udders Udderwash to clean and sanitize all our beer equipment. It was used in all the breweries when microbreweries became popular.
You just have to make sure the type you get doesn't have any additives that you don't want to consume.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 06:28 PM (qKSAT)
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If you are allergic to insect stings, stock up on epi pens and antihistamines and routinely check the expiration dates. I've read reports that stinging incidents skyrocket after flooding as nests are destroyed and the insect colonies are on the move and angry.
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 06:25 PM
Here in Texas when it floods the fire ants hook together and float on the water. They will survive pretty much anything and if they are forced to leave their house they are pi$$ed.
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 06:25 PM
Here in Texas when it floods the fire ants hook together and float on the water. They will survive pretty much anything and if they are forced to leave their house they are pi$$ed.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 05, 2024 06:29 PM (QNSds)
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72 I did see a recommendation, from a guy that survived Katrina to scan all your important documents to a thumb drive. He lost his in the flood and missed out on some jobs after the storm as a result.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:26 PM (gfViB)
This is genius. Will put him to work on that.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:26 PM (gfViB)
This is genius. Will put him to work on that.
Posted by: sal, who watches way too much TCM at October 05, 2024 06:29 PM (f+FmA)
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There's not a lot thry could have done. I posted a link to Justin Rhodes video. They were well prepared and organized. He did just get the big generator set up. There still wasn't a lot they could do.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:31 PM (gfViB)
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If you're really paranoid, you already know that Iodine is handy for pre-dosing your Thyroid to provide protection against those Russian (or ....) nukes. Now of course there are some other concerns with radiation exposure and Iodine doesn't handle everything in terms of you and your body, but this is an important one.
By pre-loading your Thyroid with conventional Iodine, there isn't any room for radioactive Iodine, or something like that. Fun for the whole family.
By pre-loading your Thyroid with conventional Iodine, there isn't any room for radioactive Iodine, or something like that. Fun for the whole family.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 05, 2024 06:31 PM (8vxoL)
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>>> 62 Prepare a list in advance, because when they say to go your mind will not be rational....
Posted by: Grateful
My sister lost everything when one of those fast moving CA forest fires swept through her neighborhood in Santa Barbara.
The only thing left of the house was the slab and the fire was so hot it had to be removed.
She didn't have time to *save* anything except for the dog and herself.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 06:20 PM (qKSAT)
Speaking of fast, this is from a flash flood in Waverly TN in 2021. I'd never seen anything like this.
https://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=Lv4IYZu-A3s
Posted by: Grateful
My sister lost everything when one of those fast moving CA forest fires swept through her neighborhood in Santa Barbara.
The only thing left of the house was the slab and the fire was so hot it had to be removed.
She didn't have time to *save* anything except for the dog and herself.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 06:20 PM (qKSAT)
Speaking of fast, this is from a flash flood in Waverly TN in 2021. I'd never seen anything like this.
https://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=Lv4IYZu-A3s
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 06:31 PM (FnneF)
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At some point, you need to sit down and do a serious threat analysis. What is your neighborhood like? City, suburban, or rural? How well do you know your neighbors? Whom can you trust? Whom can you not trust? How can evil doers enter your neighborhood/property? What are your pathways out?
You get the idea.
Just sit down from time to time and consider some common sense things about your particular situation. Do it several times a year. What changes in winter and summer? That kind of thing.
You get the idea.
Just sit down from time to time and consider some common sense things about your particular situation. Do it several times a year. What changes in winter and summer? That kind of thing.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 06:31 PM (W/lyH)
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We're prepared for a year, for Thor and I, the animals and my mama. Meds, OTC stuff, you name it, food and water of course. I do have water stored but we have several springs and a pond on our property.
But Helene would've taken all that if we were in her path. Flooding is a whole different gig.
You need to think in terms of absolute life and death necessities in a back pack that you grab or have within grabbing distance, if you don't leave at first warning. My granddad used to say, if that bastard takes up half the Gulf, get the women and kids out right away.
Our problem is we have 6 cats and you can imagine how much fun it is to game that scenario. A lot of food and a nightmare of logistics, although the RV makes it easier in a way. We left 2 with the renters for our year long road trip.
We were supposed to spend Fall with family in NC, mid September- early November, but I started not wanting to and then when that hurricane started forming, I wasn't of a mind to deal with it in an RV, so we decided to go to friends in Western Massachusetts instead.
Listening to your instincts is a huge skill to work on.
But Helene would've taken all that if we were in her path. Flooding is a whole different gig.
You need to think in terms of absolute life and death necessities in a back pack that you grab or have within grabbing distance, if you don't leave at first warning. My granddad used to say, if that bastard takes up half the Gulf, get the women and kids out right away.
Our problem is we have 6 cats and you can imagine how much fun it is to game that scenario. A lot of food and a nightmare of logistics, although the RV makes it easier in a way. We left 2 with the renters for our year long road trip.
We were supposed to spend Fall with family in NC, mid September- early November, but I started not wanting to and then when that hurricane started forming, I wasn't of a mind to deal with it in an RV, so we decided to go to friends in Western Massachusetts instead.
Listening to your instincts is a huge skill to work on.
Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at October 05, 2024 06:31 PM (Vvh2V)
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64 If you have empty canning jars, fill those with water till you use them. I have a Life Straw but went ahead and got a Berky filter for home.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:21 PM
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Thanks for posting. Good points. Another Life Straw reference.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:21 PM
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Thanks for posting. Good points. Another Life Straw reference.
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 06:32 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Here in Texas when it floods the fire ants hook together and float on the water. They will survive pretty much anything and if they are forced to leave their house they are pi$$ed.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 05, 2024 06:29 PM (QNSds)
Moves the ant killer to a highest shelf...
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 05, 2024 06:29 PM (QNSds)
Moves the ant killer to a highest shelf...
Posted by: sal, who watches way too much TCM at October 05, 2024 06:32 PM (f+FmA)
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When you realize that your Cat 5 evac plan was via Ashville to Rt. 40 to Knoxville. "A hurricane can't come this far inland."
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at October 05, 2024 06:32 PM (wBaIH)
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>>> 86 64 If you have empty canning jars, fill those with water till you use them. I have a Life Straw but went ahead and got a Berky filter for home.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:21 PM
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Thanks for posting. Good points. Another Life Straw reference.
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 06:32 PM (IQ6Gq)
I got my Berkey in part because I didn't like the taste of the local water. Very happy with it!
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:21 PM
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Thanks for posting. Good points. Another Life Straw reference.
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 06:32 PM (IQ6Gq)
I got my Berkey in part because I didn't like the taste of the local water. Very happy with it!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 06:34 PM (FnneF)
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72 I did see a recommendation, from a guy that survived Katrina to scan all your important documents to a thumb drive. He lost his in the flood and missed out on some jobs after the storm as a result.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:26 PM (gfViB)
This is genius. Will put him to work on that.
Posted by: sal, who watches way too much TCM at October 05, 2024 06:29 PM (f+FmA)
Dang! Great idea.
*adds to list*
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:26 PM (gfViB)
This is genius. Will put him to work on that.
Posted by: sal, who watches way too much TCM at October 05, 2024 06:29 PM (f+FmA)
Dang! Great idea.
*adds to list*
Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 06:35 PM (W/lyH)
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I really, really, really enjoy target shooting and fishing even if I don't do it as much as I would like. They are hobbies but I approach them in a similar way to prepping. I can reload any ammo I need, both tools and supplies, and can make my own fishing gear, especially lures. I've been through several periods of shortage over the years where ammo and components were hard to come by so I maintain a good supply of powders and primers. Also the tools and materials needed to cast bullets. It helps that my preferred guns are rather basic compared to semi-auto weapons: bolt action rifles, single shot weapons, single action revolvers, and black powder weapons.
I have books on reloading, basic gunsmithing and the tools to do it. Most muzzleloaders are even easier to maintain and repair.
Of course there is the factor of defense involved. But that is another topic.
I have books on reloading, basic gunsmithing and the tools to do it. Most muzzleloaders are even easier to maintain and repair.
Of course there is the factor of defense involved. But that is another topic.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 06:36 PM (yTvNw)
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I have city water here. I thought the Berky would be good if the local supply was contaminated.
I try and think of stuff that would be useful. I should get tarps, because we get high winds at times. You can't prepare for everything but there's a lot you can do.
I try and think of stuff that would be useful. I should get tarps, because we get high winds at times. You can't prepare for everything but there's a lot you can do.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:38 PM (gfViB)
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88 When you realize that your Cat 5 evac plan was via Ashville to Rt. 40 to Knoxville. "A hurricane can't come this far inland."
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at October 05, 2024 06:32 PM
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Remarkable how much raw real estate was eroded and moved around. Backyards not damaged, but gone. Asphalt not damaged or moved, but the earth beneath the road gone. Saw a video today near Chimney Rock with many makeshift pedestrian and vehicular bridges in places. In other places, the roads and embankments are completely gone.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at October 05, 2024 06:32 PM
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Remarkable how much raw real estate was eroded and moved around. Backyards not damaged, but gone. Asphalt not damaged or moved, but the earth beneath the road gone. Saw a video today near Chimney Rock with many makeshift pedestrian and vehicular bridges in places. In other places, the roads and embankments are completely gone.
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 06:38 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Tarps is a great idea. And duct tape.
Posted by: Grateful at October 05, 2024 06:39 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Just popping in to say thank you for this thread. I need it so much. Bookmarking for future reference.
Heading back out to continue cleaning up the yard...
Heading back out to continue cleaning up the yard...
Posted by: screaming in digital at October 05, 2024 06:40 PM (EaPW0)
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>>> 85
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Listening to your instincts is a huge skill to work on.
Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at October 05, 2024 06:31 PM (Vvh2V)
This is focused on danger from two-legged critters, but I suspect the concepts could be helpful for other dangers:
The Gift of Fear: And Other Survival Signals That Protect Us from Violence Mass Market Paperback
Gavin de Becker
https://shorturl.at/xPurU
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Listening to your instincts is a huge skill to work on.
Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at October 05, 2024 06:31 PM (Vvh2V)
This is focused on danger from two-legged critters, but I suspect the concepts could be helpful for other dangers:
The Gift of Fear: And Other Survival Signals That Protect Us from Violence Mass Market Paperback
Gavin de Becker
https://shorturl.at/xPurU
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 06:41 PM (FnneF)
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If you have empty canning jars, fill those with water till you use them. I have a Life Straw but went ahead and got a Berky filter for home.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:21 PM
I know people that "can" water in canning jars. It sterilizes and seals the jars at the same time. I guess I need to get working on doing some of that with my canner.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:21 PM
I know people that "can" water in canning jars. It sterilizes and seals the jars at the same time. I guess I need to get working on doing some of that with my canner.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 05, 2024 06:42 PM (QNSds)
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A siphon wasn't on my list, but will add.
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 06:42 PM (IQ6Gq)
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A generous supply of paracord may also come in handy.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 05, 2024 06:42 PM (mH6SG)
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Also, if you gave cats, well any pet I suppose, block off under beds, sofas, etc. You do not want to waste time trying to find them if they're hiding. I store stuff under all the beds, dressers, sofas, any place I have seen then sneak in to, including keeping folding chairs wedged in the spaces between the fridge and washer/dryer and the walls.
I have 6 of those kinds of beds that have walls and roofs, so to speak. I make a game out of carrying them around in them, so if need be, we can grab them in those as opposed to their carriers.
I have 6 of those kinds of beds that have walls and roofs, so to speak. I make a game out of carrying them around in them, so if need be, we can grab them in those as opposed to their carriers.
Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at October 05, 2024 06:43 PM (Vvh2V)
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>>How much fuel do you keep on hand?
Posted by: TRex
Usually have 10 gallons in the garage, but my back up is one of the planes usually has 100-200 gallons pretty available.
Posted by: TRex
Usually have 10 gallons in the garage, but my back up is one of the planes usually has 100-200 gallons pretty available.
Posted by: Aviator at October 05, 2024 06:43 PM (HQ9Sl)
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Elon is in the house
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 06:43 PM (fwDg9)
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Working on my lawn tractor I found this guy, Taryl Fixes All, on youtube. He makes a goofy guy play; However, his presentation is good, thorough (no skipped steps), complementary asides and good photography. If you're working on a gas engine, especially a lawn engine this is a place to check out.
www.youtube.com/results? [mandatory space] search_query=taryl+fixes+all
Search query = Taryl fixes [engine won't start] or what ever problem and there's a good chance he has a video.
www.youtube.com/results? [mandatory space] search_query=taryl+fixes+all
Search query = Taryl fixes [engine won't start] or what ever problem and there's a good chance he has a video.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 06:43 PM (+JNKR)
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>>> 93
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Remarkable how much raw real estate was eroded and moved around. Backyards not damaged, but gone. Asphalt not damaged or moved, but the earth beneath the road gone. Saw a video today near Chimney Rock with many makeshift pedestrian and vehicular bridges in places. In other places, the roads and embankments are completely gone.
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 06:38 PM (IQ6Gq)
Jim SND referred to it as "instant glaciation" - and it happened over *how* much of that region?
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Remarkable how much raw real estate was eroded and moved around. Backyards not damaged, but gone. Asphalt not damaged or moved, but the earth beneath the road gone. Saw a video today near Chimney Rock with many makeshift pedestrian and vehicular bridges in places. In other places, the roads and embankments are completely gone.
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 06:38 PM (IQ6Gq)
Jim SND referred to it as "instant glaciation" - and it happened over *how* much of that region?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 06:43 PM (FnneF)
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Another thing, if you do long term storage, try some of it before the disaster hits. You'll find that some are not what you want to eat.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:44 PM (gfViB)
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This could be a minor matter if the shit really hits the fan but having some means of diversion could be helpful. Nothing electric, of course. Jigsaw puzzles, BOOKS, decks of cards, chess or checker sets or other board games, book of game rules, knitting, crochet and other needle works don't require power and don't take up much space. Even a supply of writing paper and pencils could be useful for sketching, a journal or passing information.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 06:44 PM (yTvNw)
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Iving in an RV we are weather watchers. We have managed to outrun 2 hurricanes and a couple of tornadoes and a wildfire. We carry an emergency medical kit with everything we would need for a bad accident on the road. We carry our own water and have a large generator and keep emergency rations in obasement area. Don't forget about your pets in an emergency and any medicine you, or they, might need.
Posted by: Megthered at October 05, 2024 06:45 PM (Mgb19)
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FM 21-76 a US army field manual called "Survival" is available online and download .PDF for free. Copy it to your hard-drive laptop.
Lots of good first aid, plant ID, how to do certain things to cure diseases or conditions when the Doctor Isn't Coming. That kind of thing.
"Maggot wound therapy" is about as appetizing as it sounds. It does work in an extreme last-ditch attempt to prevent infection in the bush.
Lots of good first aid, plant ID, how to do certain things to cure diseases or conditions when the Doctor Isn't Coming. That kind of thing.
"Maggot wound therapy" is about as appetizing as it sounds. It does work in an extreme last-ditch attempt to prevent infection in the bush.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 05, 2024 06:45 PM (8vxoL)
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Just checked and couldn't find the udderwash we used to use (we bought it from a Dairy supply house).
povidone-iodine (PVI) (aka Betadine) would be my next choice.
The conclusion of the study I just found:
"The lowest disinfecting concentration of 10% PVI was the 1:1,000 dilution at 15 minutes of contact time. This supports the use of PVI for water disinfection against E. coli, the organism most commonly responsible for traveler's diarrhea. Further studies may assess its effectiveness against more virulent water borne pathogens.
Copyright © 2010 Wilderness Medical Society."
~used without permission
povidone-iodine (PVI) (aka Betadine) would be my next choice.
The conclusion of the study I just found:
"The lowest disinfecting concentration of 10% PVI was the 1:1,000 dilution at 15 minutes of contact time. This supports the use of PVI for water disinfection against E. coli, the organism most commonly responsible for traveler's diarrhea. Further studies may assess its effectiveness against more virulent water borne pathogens.
Copyright © 2010 Wilderness Medical Society."
~used without permission
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 06:45 PM (qKSAT)
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This... this is why I never throw shit away. You never know when you'll need something.
It's also why my garage is a fire hazard.
It's also why my garage is a fire hazard.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 05, 2024 06:47 PM (Q4IgG)
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You don't have to use maggots. Garlic is an effective antibiotic. It's also good about drawing out infections.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:47 PM (gfViB)
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Speaking of helicopters, it looks like a military response might finally be getting off the ground, pun intended. Emphasis on might.
I've seen at least three flights of either Guard or Army Chinooks flying in an eastbound direction in the Knoxville area. A total of 7 birds so far.
I've seen at least three flights of either Guard or Army Chinooks flying in an eastbound direction in the Knoxville area. A total of 7 birds so far.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at October 05, 2024 06:47 PM (/HDaX)
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Elon doing well.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 05, 2024 06:48 PM (eDfFs)
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Honey is a wound treatment. Honey also supplies all the nutrients you need to stay alive.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 05, 2024 06:49 PM (I1GXe)
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99 ... "A generous supply of paracord may also come in handy."
Paracord or any good rope is always a good idea. Tarred twine is damn strong and doesn't take up much space. A pamphlet of knots is helpful.
In a similar vein, rolls of duct tape have a bunch of uses.
Paracord or any good rope is always a good idea. Tarred twine is damn strong and doesn't take up much space. A pamphlet of knots is helpful.
In a similar vein, rolls of duct tape have a bunch of uses.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 06:50 PM (yTvNw)
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 05, 2024 06:50 PM (FISOY)
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Another thing, if you do long term storage, try some of it before the disaster hits. You'll find that some are not what you want to eat.
Posted by: Notsothoreau
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Very true.
Posted by: Notsothoreau
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Very true.
Posted by: scampydog at October 05, 2024 06:51 PM (41CYW)
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Yeah, I have a strategic stash of honey cause I use it in my tea. Lasts forever.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:51 PM (gfViB)
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Speaking of helicopters, it looks like a military response might finally be getting off the ground, pun intended. Emphasis on might.
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If it weren't for the outrage on the internet I wonder if anything would have happened. If it were still Twitter they would have censored all of it.
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If it weren't for the outrage on the internet I wonder if anything would have happened. If it were still Twitter they would have censored all of it.
Posted by: Megthered at October 05, 2024 06:52 PM (Mgb19)
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Still a few hundred bucks but Starlink Minis are now available. Fits into a backpack. Worth considering.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 06:52 PM (W/lyH)
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Just a thought - I wonder how many of our military helicopters are dependent on parts from Chy-na, and how many of those parts we have on the shelf. Whirly-birds need a lot of service.
Posted by: PabloD at October 05, 2024 06:54 PM (NGHh4)
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Another thing, if you do long term storage, try some of it before the disaster hits. You'll find that some are not what you want to eat.
Posted by: Notsothoreau
This!
Anything sold by mountain-house comes to mind from my backpacking days (years and years ago). Cardboard with spices would be tastier and less expensive with probably the same nutritional value. yuck. (there was also an unfortunate tent clearing reaction later in the evening.)
Posted by: Notsothoreau
This!
Anything sold by mountain-house comes to mind from my backpacking days (years and years ago). Cardboard with spices would be tastier and less expensive with probably the same nutritional value. yuck. (there was also an unfortunate tent clearing reaction later in the evening.)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 06:55 PM (qKSAT)
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Still a few hundred bucks but Starlink Minis are now available. Fits into a backpack. Worth considering.
Posted by: Diogenes
Yes; but, the next size up is pretty small, less expensive, less expensive per month, and really increases up and download speeds in comparison to the mini.
Posted by: Diogenes
Yes; but, the next size up is pretty small, less expensive, less expensive per month, and really increases up and download speeds in comparison to the mini.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 06:57 PM (qKSAT)
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There's a lot of discussion about that on X. There are folks that say the Starlink is a good thing to have and those saying a ham radio is better.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:57 PM (gfViB)
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The flood of Noah's day actually started with the earth breaking open and the fountains of the deep coming up. The rains came later.
Posted by: JohnFNotKerry at October 05, 2024 06:57 PM (OOgyd)
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As I do every year about this time, I just topped off 275 g. underground propane tank and 550 g. basement oil tanks.
Stove, fireplace, one water system and outside permanent generator are propane. Oil for furnace and other water system.
Private well, and 13 acre pond 50’ lower than us.
Hey, I live in northern NH. We have routine power outages every season of the year.
Stove, fireplace, one water system and outside permanent generator are propane. Oil for furnace and other water system.
Private well, and 13 acre pond 50’ lower than us.
Hey, I live in northern NH. We have routine power outages every season of the year.
Posted by: RI Red at October 05, 2024 06:57 PM (OKniM)
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Still a few hundred bucks but Starlink Minis are now available. Fits into a backpack. Worth considering.
Posted by: Diogenes
I should also have noted that the mini allows you to turn off and on your service so you don't *have* to pay for months you don't use.
Posted by: Diogenes
I should also have noted that the mini allows you to turn off and on your service so you don't *have* to pay for months you don't use.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 06:58 PM (qKSAT)
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There's a lot of discussion about that on X. There are folks that say the Starlink is a good thing to have and those saying a ham radio is better.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:57 PM (gfViB)
How much electricity does a Starlink Mini require?
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:57 PM (gfViB)
How much electricity does a Starlink Mini require?
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 06:58 PM (rj6Yv)
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114 ... "Honey is a wound treatment. Honey also supplies all the nutrients you need to stay alive."
Hi Ben Had,
Glad you mentioned it. We keep plenty of honey on hand, mostly from small, local providers so we know it is good stuff. Apparently a lot of supermarket honey is adulterated. We regard trying to be healthier as part of emergency prep and use honey more and more often for food. It also tastes great, of course.
Hi Ben Had,
Glad you mentioned it. We keep plenty of honey on hand, mostly from small, local providers so we know it is good stuff. Apparently a lot of supermarket honey is adulterated. We regard trying to be healthier as part of emergency prep and use honey more and more often for food. It also tastes great, of course.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 06:59 PM (yTvNw)
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Still a few hundred bucks but Starlink Minis are now available. Fits into a backpack. Worth considering.
Posted by: Diogenes
Yes; but, the next size up is pretty small, less expensive, less expensive per month, and really increases up and download speeds in comparison to the mini.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 06:57 PM (qKSAT)
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Good catch!
Posted by: Diogenes
Yes; but, the next size up is pretty small, less expensive, less expensive per month, and really increases up and download speeds in comparison to the mini.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 06:57 PM (qKSAT)
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Good catch!
Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 06:59 PM (W/lyH)
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I try and think of stuff that would be useful. I should get tarps, because we get high winds at times. You can't prepare for everything but there's a lot you can do.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:38 PM (gfViB)
consider plywood pre cut to the size of your windows, with nails or screws ready.
I have two five gallon buckets with single serve type food in it near the door. It is a bit expensive and I have to redo it regularly, but I have a week of food for one in each bucket. It is a grab and go that is next to the packs with clothing in it.
Not sure what to do about the cats, they are hard to grab and go as well.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 06:38 PM (gfViB)
consider plywood pre cut to the size of your windows, with nails or screws ready.
I have two five gallon buckets with single serve type food in it near the door. It is a bit expensive and I have to redo it regularly, but I have a week of food for one in each bucket. It is a grab and go that is next to the packs with clothing in it.
Not sure what to do about the cats, they are hard to grab and go as well.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 05, 2024 06:59 PM (D7oie)
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How much electricity does a Starlink Mini require?
Posted by: mrp
I don't have exact numbers; but, it'll run on a 20v battery for a while.
Posted by: mrp
I don't have exact numbers; but, it'll run on a 20v battery for a while.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 07:00 PM (qKSAT)
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Serious hikers, hunters, preppers sometimes purchase home freeze-dryer units. Not cheap, but they are AMAZING.
Dirty little secret: MRE is better than Mountain House. Triple the calories, more protein, drinks, snacks, side, dessert etc. Even matches, gum, toilet paper. I used to buy them for 5 bucks a piece, delivered. A MH freeze-dried entree was 8 bucks then. Loaded with a gram of sodium, and lots of weird salts and preservatives. MRE are pretty sketchy too, but they do not require boiling water, they can be heated in the pouch or eaten cold.
Dirty little secret: MRE is better than Mountain House. Triple the calories, more protein, drinks, snacks, side, dessert etc. Even matches, gum, toilet paper. I used to buy them for 5 bucks a piece, delivered. A MH freeze-dried entree was 8 bucks then. Loaded with a gram of sodium, and lots of weird salts and preservatives. MRE are pretty sketchy too, but they do not require boiling water, they can be heated in the pouch or eaten cold.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 05, 2024 07:00 PM (8vxoL)
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There were posts earlier today about meds as well as a couple in this thread. One source is InhousePharmacy.vu.
It is offshore but reasonable prices and appears to be legit meds. I've had patients use meds from them without problems. I've seen posters here recommend them as well.
It is offshore but reasonable prices and appears to be legit meds. I've had patients use meds from them without problems. I've seen posters here recommend them as well.
Posted by: Aviator at October 05, 2024 07:00 PM (HQ9Sl)
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RI Red, will you email me please, I have a couple of addresses for you and not sure which one to use.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 05, 2024 07:01 PM (I1GXe)
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Wow, that is impressive Red. Thanks for sharing
Wow, that is impressive Red. Thanks for sharing
Posted by: Grateful at October 05, 2024 07:01 PM (IQ6Gq)
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consider plywood pre cut to the size of your windows, with nails or screws ready.
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One of my projects is to cut out a hole in a sheet of plywood for the hose to my diesel heater.
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One of my projects is to cut out a hole in a sheet of plywood for the hose to my diesel heater.
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 07:03 PM (rj6Yv)
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How much electricity does a Starlink Mini require?
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 06:58 PM (rj6Yv)
Four 12v solar panels will power it. Otherwise 100 watts 20v/5A.
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 06:58 PM (rj6Yv)
Four 12v solar panels will power it. Otherwise 100 watts 20v/5A.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 07:04 PM (W/lyH)
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If I manage to survive the apocalypse, I would have no value to a post-apocalyptic society. I'd be a drain on their resources.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 05, 2024 07:05 PM (CHHv1)
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Ham radio has been mentioned. Besides the hobby aspect, I'm set up to operate HF and UHF using a deep cycle battery and portable antennas, and operating QRP to extend battery life. I can also operate from the car. I really should work on my Morse code skills since that can get through when other modes can't. Even 5 or 10 WPM code speed is useful, tedious but useful.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 07:06 PM (yTvNw)
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Four 12v solar panels will power it. Otherwise 100 watts 20v/5A.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 07:04 PM (W/lyH
Thanks. Not bad. I'd rather have it connected directly to the battery than using the inverter.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 07:04 PM (W/lyH
Thanks. Not bad. I'd rather have it connected directly to the battery than using the inverter.
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 07:07 PM (rj6Yv)
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Thank you for all of the very valuable suggestions...I plan on reviewing the comments tomorrow and making a long list...it is amazing the knowledge base that is the Horde.
Posted by: Grateful at October 05, 2024 07:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Grateful, we planned this house over two decades ago. I was way ahead of Mrs. Red as far as recognizing historical trends (she’d tell me to STFU at parties - now she is more prep than I).
I knew we had to get out of RI at some point. This place is now our sanctum sanctorum. At our ages, we aren’t bugging out anywhere. We are staying put.
I knew we had to get out of RI at some point. This place is now our sanctum sanctorum. At our ages, we aren’t bugging out anywhere. We are staying put.
Posted by: RI Red at October 05, 2024 07:08 PM (OKniM)
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143/
Red, TRex and I are doing the same for our property in TN. Our neighbor has a pond and the creek runs between our property. But I truly appreciate your comments re propane and gas tanks. Hopefully we can chat more in TX in a couple of weeks....
Red, TRex and I are doing the same for our property in TN. Our neighbor has a pond and the creek runs between our property. But I truly appreciate your comments re propane and gas tanks. Hopefully we can chat more in TX in a couple of weeks....
Posted by: Grateful at October 05, 2024 07:11 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Plenty of 12v Starlink adapter cables available at Amazon.
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 07:11 PM (rj6Yv)
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here were posts earlier today about meds as well as a couple in this thread. One source is InhousePharmacy.vu.
Posted by: Aviator
Thank you.
Posted by: Aviator
Thank you.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 07:11 PM (qKSAT)
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Just a few more suggestions. Hydrocortisone, antibiotic ointment and some saline solution.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 05, 2024 07:11 PM (mH6SG)
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BH, both of those Addies still are good. Later. Dinner.
Posted by: RI Red at October 05, 2024 07:11 PM (OKniM)
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I try to focus on #10 cans with individual ingredients. Cooking just for myself, I tend to waste vegetables. I find dehydrated veggies are handy to have.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 07:13 PM (gfViB)
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I can say, as a ham radio operator, that given a choice between reliable Starlink service and ham radio in a disaster, I'm taking the Starlink. Everybody and their dog has a smart phone and email, and reaching folks outside the disaster area would be my priority. Inside the disaster area is where ham radio would be most useful, imho.
Posted by: PabloD at October 05, 2024 07:14 PM (NGHh4)
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If I manage to survive the apocalypse, I would have no value to a post-apocalyptic society. I'd be a drain on their resources.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm
Don't jump on to the ice flow so fast!
Buy the books that people will need to restart civilization.
You can sit and be a long range trouble spotter.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm
Don't jump on to the ice flow so fast!
Buy the books that people will need to restart civilization.
You can sit and be a long range trouble spotter.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 07:14 PM (qKSAT)
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Thinking about water again - review your monthly usage on your utility bills *and* your average monthly precipitation. I was surprised to find there is a (relative) dip in the summer months here. A long-term goal for me is collecting rain from the roof; rule of thumb is 1" of rain on 1k square feet of roof is about 600 gallons of water. I'm jealous of RI Red's pond *below* the house. 
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 07:15 PM (FnneF)
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A question on Canned Foods. What might be an authoritative reference as to the validity, safety and advisability of dealing with cans with expired expiration dates?
Variable: "lightly" expired, or "LONG" expired?
I know that acidic foods, such as canned tomatoes, are more doubtful than, say... pinto beans. But, what's the spread here?
Thanks in advance for the input, Horde!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Variable: "lightly" expired, or "LONG" expired?
I know that acidic foods, such as canned tomatoes, are more doubtful than, say... pinto beans. But, what's the spread here?
Thanks in advance for the input, Horde!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 05, 2024 07:15 PM (kQgoX)
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We keep a supply of wooden stick matches. It's hard to find the strike anywhere type but I would prefer them if available. In general, knowing how to start a fire under tough conditions could be helpful.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 07:17 PM (yTvNw)
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Amen to the water heater as a source for potable water, assuming it is still standing.
Yes. Open the circuit and shut off the water main.
Yes. Open the circuit and shut off the water main.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 05, 2024 07:18 PM (+H2BX)
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Jim - if the can doesn't bulge, you're safe to indulge :-)
Ok, it's a little more complicated, but most canned foods will be edible, if not so tasty, long after the best buy date as long as the can is intact and stored in a cool, dry environment. See Steve1989's YouTube channel for a man eating 100 year old tinned beef.
Ok, it's a little more complicated, but most canned foods will be edible, if not so tasty, long after the best buy date as long as the can is intact and stored in a cool, dry environment. See Steve1989's YouTube channel for a man eating 100 year old tinned beef.
Posted by: PabloD at October 05, 2024 07:19 PM (NGHh4)
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You cannot buy strike anywhere matches at a grocery store. Go across the street to a hardware store. They have them.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 05, 2024 07:19 PM (+H2BX)
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Beer being invented 500 years ago is too recent. Try 10,000 BC in Mesopotamia. Beer may even be the reason we settled down and became farmers (you can’t hunt nor gather beer - though I suppose you can steal it - if somebody else brews it first).
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at October 05, 2024 07:20 PM (ZVgZ4)
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JTB- that's such a good idea and something that people don't think about. We got some waterproof stick matches. If they're drenched they light. Also candles are a good thing to keep around.
Posted by: Megthered at October 05, 2024 07:20 PM (Mgb19)
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Just don't eat green beans with a white fur on them.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 05, 2024 07:20 PM (+H2BX)
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We keep a supply of wooden stick matches. It's hard to find the strike anywhere type but I would prefer them if available. In general, knowing how to start a fire under tough conditions could be helpful.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 07:17 PM (yTvNw)
*slaps head*
Duh! Adding these to my list.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 07:17 PM (yTvNw)
*slaps head*
Duh! Adding these to my list.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 07:20 PM (W/lyH)
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A question on Canned Foods. What might be an authoritative reference as to the validity, safety and advisability of dealing with cans with expired expiration dates?
Variable: "lightly" expired, or "LONG" expired?
I know that acidic foods, such as canned tomatoes, are more doubtful than, say... pinto beans. But, what's the spread here?
Thanks in advance for the input, Horde!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 05, 2024 07:15 PM
That's a questionable subject. If you go by FDA guidelines home canned foods are generally good for a year at best. I have personally eaten canned food that I made that is two years old and my grandparents routinely ate stuff they canned 5+ years before they ate it.
I am looking at home canning with retort pouches that are able to keep food safer for longer but I have not tried it yet.
Variable: "lightly" expired, or "LONG" expired?
I know that acidic foods, such as canned tomatoes, are more doubtful than, say... pinto beans. But, what's the spread here?
Thanks in advance for the input, Horde!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 05, 2024 07:15 PM
That's a questionable subject. If you go by FDA guidelines home canned foods are generally good for a year at best. I have personally eaten canned food that I made that is two years old and my grandparents routinely ate stuff they canned 5+ years before they ate it.
I am looking at home canning with retort pouches that are able to keep food safer for longer but I have not tried it yet.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 05, 2024 07:20 PM (QNSds)
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Don't jump on to the ice flow so fast!
Buy the books that people will need to restart civilization.
You can sit and be a long range trouble spotter.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 07:14 PM (qKSAT)
+2
Buy the books that people will need to restart civilization.
You can sit and be a long range trouble spotter.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 07:14 PM (qKSAT)
+2
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 07:21 PM (rj6Yv)
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160 Just don't eat green beans with a white fur on them.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 05, 2024 07:20 PM
***
Just to be safe, I generally avoid green beans.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 05, 2024 07:20 PM
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Just to be safe, I generally avoid green beans.
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 07:22 PM (IQ6Gq)
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We have a wood fireplace but old fashion in nothing one wouldn't have in 1800. But we did buy a pot one could stick in it in a power outage to heat food.
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 07:23 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 07:25 PM (W/lyH)
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I think we've only had one mention of flashlights. I'll endorse that idea. We have some smaller ones around, but also have a big honking flashlight that is bright enough to signal airborne assets, blind a bear or light up invaders. If needed, it is also heavy enough for close quarters self defense purposes.
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 07:28 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Prepping food: Don't forget you can buy in bulk and wax cheese for long term room temp storage.
(hint: room temp in low AZ desert is NOT 'room temp' for long term storage of cheese.)
Learn to make pemmican too.
(hint: room temp in low AZ desert is NOT 'room temp' for long term storage of cheese.)
Learn to make pemmican too.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 07:28 PM (qKSAT)
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We have a wood fireplace but old fashion in nothing one wouldn't have in 1800. But we did buy a pot one could stick in it in a power outage to heat food.
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 07:23 PM (fwDg9)
A 10-inch cast iron skillet and a cast iron Dutch Oven and you're good to go! One of those Ooni wood-fired pizza ovens might be a good investment, too.
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 07:23 PM (fwDg9)
A 10-inch cast iron skillet and a cast iron Dutch Oven and you're good to go! One of those Ooni wood-fired pizza ovens might be a good investment, too.
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 07:28 PM (rj6Yv)
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I think our neighbors down the dirt road, we're all on parcels between 20 and 400 acres, half miles apart, I think they once had some chickens and also used to have bees.
They've a single child, a little girl. House is 100 yards back from the road.
They asked the town to erect one of those standard diamond caution road signs, each way, maybe 100 yards ahead of their driveway.
SLOW CHILDREN
AND LIVESTOCK
AHEAD
Font height all same, no punctuation.
Previous years, they had a pair of kids tricycles, gotten from the "free" pile down at the transfer station, perched out at the end of their driveway.
Who would dis their livestock like that?
They've a single child, a little girl. House is 100 yards back from the road.
They asked the town to erect one of those standard diamond caution road signs, each way, maybe 100 yards ahead of their driveway.
SLOW CHILDREN
AND LIVESTOCK
AHEAD
Font height all same, no punctuation.
Previous years, they had a pair of kids tricycles, gotten from the "free" pile down at the transfer station, perched out at the end of their driveway.
Who would dis their livestock like that?
Posted by: Mr Gaga at October 05, 2024 07:29 PM (nWmNS)
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Make sure your batteries are good, too and you have lots of extras.
Posted by: Megthered at October 05, 2024 07:30 PM (Mgb19)
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About strike anywhere matches, Ace Hardware has them available but won't ship them because they are now considered a 'hazardous' product. Diamond Greenlight 2 in. L Strike Anywhere Matches. I wonder which is more 'hazardous': strike anywhere matches or the lithium ion batteries that seem to keep causing fires.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 07:31 PM (yTvNw)
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MOVE MARQUE NOOD
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 07:31 PM (fwDg9)
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TRex, Thanks for another great hobby thread. Tons of good info on the topic.
I wonder if there is a generational factor to prepping: the older the more likely.
I wonder if there is a generational factor to prepping: the older the more likely.
Posted by: JTB at October 05, 2024 07:33 PM (yTvNw)
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I think we've only had one mention of flashlights. I'll endorse that idea. We have some smaller ones around, but also have a big honking flashlight that is bright enough to signal airborne assets, blind a bear or light up invaders. If needed, it is also heavy enough for close quarters self defense purposes.
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 07:28 PM (IQ6Gq)
I have a stout high-grade aluminum flashlight and two rechargeable camp lanterns.
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 07:28 PM (IQ6Gq)
I have a stout high-grade aluminum flashlight and two rechargeable camp lanterns.
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 07:33 PM (rj6Yv)
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My 250 gallon propane tank was enough to run my Generac 12 hours a day for about a week before I got (and needed!) a refill (south Georgia countryside - some of my neighbors still haven’t got their power back). I am thinking of getting a bigger tank. How safe is, say, a 1000 gallon tank? How close can you put it to your house? Do you need to bury it?
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at October 05, 2024 07:33 PM (ZVgZ4)
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A great thread. Well done, TRex!
Posted by: mrp at October 05, 2024 07:34 PM (rj6Yv)
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JTB at 174, I would agree about the generational thing. And yes, thanks for the thread, TRex.
Posted by: skywch at October 05, 2024 07:34 PM (uqhmb)
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I have a tent stove that I bought for the vardo project. I did get a stove pipe and arrester for it. Not sure how I'd use it but wanted it to be functional.
I bought a big roll of the reflixit stuff, that they use to insulate hot water heaters. I used it in my bedroom last winter. The outside walls don't have much insulation. It did help and I can reuse it. They will blow in new insulation whenever they work on the house. Bubble wrap is good stuff to keep for window insulation. Cardboard works too
I bought a big roll of the reflixit stuff, that they use to insulate hot water heaters. I used it in my bedroom last winter. The outside walls don't have much insulation. It did help and I can reuse it. They will blow in new insulation whenever they work on the house. Bubble wrap is good stuff to keep for window insulation. Cardboard works too
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 05, 2024 07:34 PM (gfViB)
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For those interested in getting a ham radio license, I can recommend this website. The cost is about the same as getting the books, it's interactive (which is fun) and they keep the questions updated so you're always getting the current test set.
If you're just going for your Technician license, the study time is about 10 hours for most people.
https://is.gd/SWRUFM
If you're just going for your Technician license, the study time is about 10 hours for most people.
https://is.gd/SWRUFM
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at October 05, 2024 07:35 PM (PiwSw)
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Thanks, TRex.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 05, 2024 07:36 PM (mH6SG)
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Flashlights are essential of course, but what you really want oftentimes is a Headlamp. LED. Nod your head "yes" and buy one. They ordinarily use AAA alkaline batteries. Maybe they have USB rechargeables nowadays.
with LED low current draw they last a long time. Collapsible candle lanterns w/ those 9 hour candles are great. Coleman lanterns, stoves, heaters.
But the ability to have both your hands free with a headlamp is luxury while mucking around with something, it is really nice.
with LED low current draw they last a long time. Collapsible candle lanterns w/ those 9 hour candles are great. Coleman lanterns, stoves, heaters.
But the ability to have both your hands free with a headlamp is luxury while mucking around with something, it is really nice.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 05, 2024 07:36 PM (8vxoL)
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Notso, I have thick white styrofoam in the tops of my west windows (which face the back yard.) it seems to help in heat and cold both.
Posted by: skywch at October 05, 2024 07:36 PM (uqhmb)
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Thanks all for being here horde! I learned things. Thanks for staying on topic. Back next week for more hobbying.
Posted by: TRex at October 05, 2024 07:36 PM (IQ6Gq)
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>>My 250 gallon propane tank was enough to run my Generac 12 hours a day for about a week before I got (and needed!) a refill (south Georgia countryside - some of my neighbors still haven’t got their power back). I am thinking of getting a bigger tank. How safe is, say, a 1000 gallon tank? How close can you put it to your house? Do you need to bury it?
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit
Check local codes.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit
Check local codes.
Posted by: Aviator at October 05, 2024 07:38 PM (HQ9Sl)
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Can't say do much for disaster preparing
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 05:34 PM (fwDg9)
Nor I. My bugout place is my home. Flooding is not a worry here. If we had Biblical levels of rain for days on end, my basement might get wet, but there is a sump pump. Big total destruction risk is a tornado. But if that happens, and I survive it, I could walk to the nearest standing home, and probably get a lift to the hotel. I do have a generator, and keep some fuel on hand.
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 05:34 PM (fwDg9)
Nor I. My bugout place is my home. Flooding is not a worry here. If we had Biblical levels of rain for days on end, my basement might get wet, but there is a sump pump. Big total destruction risk is a tornado. But if that happens, and I survive it, I could walk to the nearest standing home, and probably get a lift to the hotel. I do have a generator, and keep some fuel on hand.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 05, 2024 07:38 PM (8opQS)
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I have 5,000 gal of potentially potable water, a whole house generator on a 500 gal propane tank, and a rural location with a lot of intervening neighbors with plenty, plenty, of cordless hole punchers.
Alas, I'm married to someone who absolutely does not want to do any more, and has a very limited menu of breakfast cereal with milk, cheese, and Stouffer's or Zatarain's frozen entrees.
Alas, I'm married to someone who absolutely does not want to do any more, and has a very limited menu of breakfast cereal with milk, cheese, and Stouffer's or Zatarain's frozen entrees.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 05, 2024 07:40 PM (u82oZ)
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Thanks all for being here horde! I learned things. Thanks for staying on topic. Back next week for more hobbying.
Posted by: TRex
Good topic, thanks TRex!
Posted by: TRex
Good topic, thanks TRex!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 07:42 PM (qKSAT)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 05, 2024 07:42 PM (u82oZ)
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I had an above ground pool that was underused but kept up and running as a water reservoir. Actully used it one year when out city water went out for few days when the pipeline serving our street failed. We are very close to water plant and didn't expect outages... Our branch line had no valve so they had to shut the whole system down, ram jammed to isolate our burst main, and got everyone else back on-line. Then took their sweet time hooking my street back up.
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Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 05, 2024 07:43 PM (u82oZ)
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I don't want to gove my location away, but suffice to say that in a natural disaster, I'll be stuck in my house. I'm outside the FEMA's rewrite of the flood plain map, but the roads in and out have been underwater on occasion.
My biggest fear is a forest fire that jumps the state park's break. The only escape will be into the nearest river or lake.
For a must-go emergency, I have to grab the contents of a closet: a packed suitcase with general clothes, camping bag (water filter, leatherman, etc.), portable safe with essential papers and emergency cash, and sleeping bag. If time, I'll five buckets of emergency food and fill the cooler with ice.
My biggest fear is a forest fire that jumps the state park's break. The only escape will be into the nearest river or lake.
For a must-go emergency, I have to grab the contents of a closet: a packed suitcase with general clothes, camping bag (water filter, leatherman, etc.), portable safe with essential papers and emergency cash, and sleeping bag. If time, I'll five buckets of emergency food and fill the cooler with ice.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at October 05, 2024 07:45 PM (1R9IM)
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A few grams of re-sublimated Iodine crystals (pronounced I-Oh-Deen) a small glass bottle, and a bakelite cap and Bob's Yer Uncle for water disinfection.
This will last decades, as long as you keep the crystals covered with water. A super saturated solution of Iodine results, that can be used to purify raw water and render it safe for drinking. It will taste like crap.
Iodine tablets in the bottle expire after a couple years. The correct answer at promotion boards, when asked what color they should be: "Steel Gray". Betcha they aren't.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 05, 2024 06:24 PM (8vxoL)
I have close to a pound of it.
This will last decades, as long as you keep the crystals covered with water. A super saturated solution of Iodine results, that can be used to purify raw water and render it safe for drinking. It will taste like crap.
Iodine tablets in the bottle expire after a couple years. The correct answer at promotion boards, when asked what color they should be: "Steel Gray". Betcha they aren't.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 05, 2024 06:24 PM (8vxoL)
I have close to a pound of it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 05, 2024 07:50 PM (h5SgU)
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Music thread is up. See ya!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at October 05, 2024 07:50 PM (ZVgZ4)
Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at October 05, 2024 07:52 PM (Vvh2V)
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Thanks for the link, TSM!
Posted by: NaughtyPine at October 05, 2024 07:54 PM (1R9IM)
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Also, I asked my uncle to dig me an outhouse when we moved here. Has definitely been used during extended power outages (From ice storms, mainly.)
Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at October 05, 2024 08:00 PM (Vvh2V)
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I cannot recommend too highly the fictional book 'One Second After' by William R. Forstchen. A good story line about what might happen and how the main character would have better prepared if he could.
Another resource is the book 'Lights Out' by the journalist Ted Koppel. Discusses our fragile electric grid and how one cannot depend on it at all.
Read those two and you will have a much greater appreciation of what can fail and what you can do to be ready for what might occur.
Another resource is the book 'Lights Out' by the journalist Ted Koppel. Discusses our fragile electric grid and how one cannot depend on it at all.
Read those two and you will have a much greater appreciation of what can fail and what you can do to be ready for what might occur.
Posted by: BrianinTn at October 05, 2024 08:03 PM (GD75n)
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An additional thought: I strongly recommend your being able to protect the preparations you have made as well as the safety and security of your family and friends. Get a firearm (or more than one if you need), learn how to use it and stock up on ammo for it.
It is a graceless world and should the balloon go up for whatever reason, you don't want to be at the mercy of the godless folk.
It is a graceless world and should the balloon go up for whatever reason, you don't want to be at the mercy of the godless folk.
Posted by: BrianinTn at October 05, 2024 08:06 PM (GD75n)
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I'm outside of Asheville had jugs of water from city water outage a while back. Had an old transistor radio that took one 9 volt, that was only source of information. Had a couple small cree ultra fire flashlights that only need one double a battery. If you put a binder clip on the flashlight clip you can clip to the bill of your hat for easy hands free light. Had Lysol wipes. These are the things I was glad I had. After 4th day of no word of food or water arriving I regretted not having emergency food, especially no MRE or any with no cooking required. Regretted no extra fuel, no small generator
Posted by: Capn crunch at October 05, 2024 08:37 PM (U6tKJ)
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Maps. Have paper maps.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 05, 2024 09:02 PM (Q4IgG)
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Praying you are in a better situation now...appreicate your real world experience feedback...
Praying you are in a better situation now...appreicate your real world experience feedback...
Posted by: Grateful at October 05, 2024 09:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Thank you. We were in a good place to be, no bad damage or injuries. Lucky. But not prepared for long term survival
Posted by: Capn crunch at October 05, 2024 09:57 PM (U6tKJ)
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I have largish wood burning stove in the living room and a wood burning cook stove in the dining room, with plenty of wood already cut and stacked and plenty more on my 7.5 semi-rural acres. Propane backup generator. Enough iron, but probably need more brass. Water is weak, but I am on wait list to have well dug. Probably around 30 day food supply. On purpose I am not organized on prepping; it's just lifestyle with me.
Posted by: Martin Tell at October 05, 2024 09:59 PM (G5Juy)
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And much better now, have everything but city water
Posted by: Capn crunch at October 05, 2024 10:03 PM (U6tKJ)
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202/
Glad to hear you're in a good place. We have friends in Asheville who lost their business - total loss. And questionable if they will be allowed to rebuid. Thankful they are ok, but that's a tough pill to swallow....
Glad to hear you're in a good place. We have friends in Asheville who lost their business - total loss. And questionable if they will be allowed to rebuid. Thankful they are ok, but that's a tough pill to swallow....
Posted by: Grateful at October 05, 2024 10:03 PM (IQ6Gq)
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And yes to headlamps, full first aid kits (several tourniquets and tampons (thanks, Tim! They are excellent for plugging bullet holes)), candles (we use them anyway for mood lighting), whiskey, silver coins, warm clothing, books, DVDs and CDs, seeds, and rock-solid faith.
Posted by: Martin Tell at October 05, 2024 10:07 PM (G5Juy)
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So sorry they lost their business
Posted by: Capn crunch at October 05, 2024 10:55 PM (U6tKJ)
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In central Israel we have been less affected by the war until the Iranian barrage, and now warnings that Israel will probably attack Iran in the near future. In an alert, we go to a small protected room meant for four families plus the three Thai workers, and anyone else who shows up. Even for a short time it can be somewhat uncomfortable in that small space, and because the shelters are now open at all times, things like batteries and canned foods are getting nicked. Hardest part is making sure stored items (IVs, meds, food, water) are not outdated. I have my own bug out bags -- one first aid, one with a blanket, a radio, my personal meds, and a few other things to entertain the grandchildren. I also have cash put by. Hardest thing is getting the kids (aged 14 and 10) to bring their own bug-out bags and extra water.
I am not impressed with my solar-powered radio, although it can also be wound up.
No matter how much I try to be prepared, I never feel like it will be enough, but that is mostly because we have no idea just what may come down the tubes.
I am not impressed with my solar-powered radio, although it can also be wound up.
No matter how much I try to be prepared, I never feel like it will be enough, but that is mostly because we have no idea just what may come down the tubes.
Posted by: Alifa Saadya at October 06, 2024 06:57 AM (8j0oW)
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For those who feel inclined to prep for long-term survival and are interested in basic survival food (not the pre-packaged expensive stuff, but basics like wheat, several types of beans, rice, powdered milk, pasta, and even onions and freeze-dried strawberries), pre-packaged in #10 cans with oxygen absorbers for 25-30 year shelf life, you cannot beat the on-site store of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS). Go to providentliving.com, scroll to Buy Food Storage, then click on Find a Store Near You. The prices are unbeatable, and any size order ships to you for $3.00. You don’t have to be a member of the LDS Church to order, and prices are the same for all.
Posted by: Rulon Beesley at October 06, 2024 08:06 AM (dGp/P)
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Error: the site for LDS food is providentliving.org, not providentliving.com! Sorry
Posted by: Rulon Beesley at October 06, 2024 08:08 AM (dGp/P)
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One more comment that has been on my mind, I believe a handgun is vital to avoiding serious injury in a rural area when you might not be able to get to hospital. Scaring away bears and stray dogs when you have to go out to get water or taking your own pet outside. Also constant awareness to avoid injury. Lots of copperheads were out displaced by the flooding
Posted by: Capn crunch at October 06, 2024 09:09 AM (U6tKJ)
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My father in law told me to always have an "Important Papers" file. Contains copies of car titles, birth cert, drivers license, medical cards, list of meds, etc. Keep in a waterproof bag that you can grab in 10 seconds.
Posted by: Lia953 at October 06, 2024 09:33 AM (2ZTG1)
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So much of what you can/should do for both emergency prep and longer term "everything going hell" is budget dependent, storage space dependent and location dependent. I read a good book "Prepper's Long-term Survival Guide" to help me navigate what should be critical if things really go bad, when there is limited to no food production, energy production and availability, in-house water access, and so on, when you have to survive or endure months. As several people have noted, water access is probably the one area most people forget, and where storage and location will be determinant on getting through the first days-3 months. You can feel better by having the right filters for sufficient daily drinking volume for family/pets, containers to haul water if you are at all close to source, and if you aren't close to a source, then give consideration to how much water you can easily store. Water is heavy, so have a way to haul water that you can handle physically. Best advice I have seen is to start with 3 days, and as budget and storage allow, expand to 3 weeks, then 3 months. Beyond 3 months of prep stash, the consensus is to be that new ways of living are probably in your future.
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Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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