Hobby Thread - Sept 28, 2024 [TRex]

Welcome hobbyists! Pull up a chair and sit a spell with the horde in this little corner of the interweb. This is the mighty, mighty officially sanctioned Ace of Spades Hobby Thread. By popular demand, a spin of the Ace of Spades wheel of hobbies has come up with a theme of BEER for this week.

We enjoy drinking beer, we enjoy trying different kinds of beer made by different people, we travel to interesting places and events to drink beer, we collect beer, and we collect beer glassware in different shapes. Some homebrew our own beer. Beer is universal. Oktoberfest is in full swing which makes beer a timely topic.

Are you a beer lover? Are you a connoisseur of beer? Are you a beerologist? Do you have stories of finding or discovering good beer? Do you have favorite seasonal beers or Oktoberfest beers? Are you among those that chase limited editions or beer made in low volumes? Have you traveled to drink beer? Do you collect beer or beer-related glassware? Have you brewed your own beer? Have you walked fields of barley or hops? Do you grow your own hops? Lets talk suds.

As per usual Hobby Thread etiquette, keep this thread limited to beer. Politics and current events can wait for other threads. Play nice. Do not be a troll and do not feed the trolls. Use caution when drinking and posting.

Best wishes to those struggling with unpleasant weather. If you are in need and think the horde can help, please ask.

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September 28 is National Drink Beer Day. The date commemorates the birthday of Arthur Guinness, the founder of Guinness Brewery. The day also known as Arthurs Day.

National Drink Beer Day should not be confused with National Beer Day on April 7. This day recognizes the day that the Cullen Harrison Act came into force after having been signed into law by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on March 22, 1933 as part of the repeal of prohibition.

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Ben Franklin is often credited with observing the universal truth that Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Unfortunately, while true, there is no proof that he actually said it.

The quote is believed to have come from a letter he wrote with this quote - Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards, and which incorporates itself with the grapes to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy!

The wonders of God and the rain are the subject rather than wine itself. Franklin also apparently preferred wine over beer. Regardless, Franklin is commonly credited for the quote that has sold a thousand t-shirts.

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On April 23, 1516, the Duke of Bavaria, Wilhelm IV, issued what would only much later come to be called the Reinheitsgebot, or the purity law. It stipulated that beer could be made from only barley, hops, and water. Great debates have revolved around how the edict has been interpreted and applied, how it has been used as a marketing angle, and the impact on German brewing.

When read in full, the original text mostly covers economics and pricing and who could sell beer. The wheat crop needed to supply both brewers and bakers, so the purity law was partially about ensuring enough barley was available to bakers making bread for food.

The final point is the most important of all: The 1516 law applied only to Bavarian breweries. This is not incidental, because the beers brewed there were unique in the world. By the 16th century, Bavarians were already well into lager brewing. That is, making beer with yeast strains that fermented at cool temperatures. Nowhere else in the world was this happening, including in other parts of what we now call Germany. In parts north, brewers made ales that looked like the ones in neighboring Belgium. They were funky, wild, and made with exotica like ashes, tree bark and beans as well as all manner of fruits and spices. It is the same tradition that can be seen in historical remnants like gose and Berliner weisse. Duke Wilhelms original decree that beer be made with only hops, malt and water was appropriate for his charges. It would have been an absurd restriction for a brewer in Berlin or Leipzig. In fact, in a rebuke to the Bavarians, the city of Cologne even banned lager-brewing in 1603. Breweries in the north had their own tradition, and it included brewing with a range of ingredients. The Complex Half Millenium Story of Reinheitsgebot

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Q: Why is it better to drink beer from a glass rather than directly from the bottle?

A: Drinking beer from a glass rather than directly from the bottle allows for the beers gas to be released more naturally, preventing your stomach from feeling bloated. It also helps the aromas to volatilize better, enhancing your perception of the flavor of the beer.

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Trappist beers are made by Trappist monasteries. The Trappists, officially known as the Order of Cistercians of the Strict Observance and originally named the Order of Reformed Cistercians of Our Lady of La Trappe, are a Catholic religious order of cloistered monastics that branched off from the Cistercians.

For a beer to be officially recognized by the International Trappist Association, it must be brewed inside the walls or in the immediate vicinity of a Trappist monastery under the supervision of monks. Additionally, the beer cannot be brewed for profit but can only be sold to sustain the needs of the monastery, the monks, and the surrounding communities or designated charities.

There are currently 11 Trappist breweries in the world, and they are responsible for creating 12 beers that are legally and legitimately approved to be called Trappist ales. The monasteries are located predominantly in Europe where the Trappist monks rebuilt after the French Revolution with six in Belgium, two in the Netherlands, one in Austria, one in Italy, and the only overseas brewery in the United States. Additionally, Mont des Cats in France has partnered with Abbaye Notre-Dame de Scourmont in Belgium, which makes Chimay, to brew Mont des Cats ale offsite at the Scourmont Abbey. Belgium and Beyond: The Trappist Breweries and Beers

Touring Belgium to visit the Trappist breweries is a time-honored tradition of beer enthusiasts. Even aside from beer, the tour is a great way to see a lot of different parts of Belgium. However, if you go, do not expect brewery tours or hanging out with the monks. Most breweries and monasteries are off limits, leaving a nearby cafe for visitors to buy and enjoy liquid refreshment. Each has unique glassware which some people collect.

This tour of Chimay gives a sense and provides some great Chimay history:

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When traveling in Europe, we have consistently found that most beer is local and regional. It is always fun to try something from the local brewery (sometimes that is the only option). The downside is the difficulty of finding it elsewhere if you like it. Here are three random examples. Somewhat ironically, Kostritzer (schwarzbier) comes from the former East Germany and is the only one I have seen available in the US.

From Salzburg, Austria:

From Interlaken, Switzerland:

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TRex is not a home brewer. By marital edict, TRex is mostly banned from anything in, near or adjacent to the kitchen or production of anything edible or drinkable. Some are born to make. Others are made to consume. I know my place. However, many others are wise in the ways of homebrewing and many professional brewers started off making small batches at home. Are there some among the horde who conjure beer at home (either past or present)? Both success stories and horror stories are welcome. Found these on YT, but feel free to suggest other resources.

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The American Homebrewing Association says about 1.2 million people in the United States homebrew. The US is the largest population of homebrewers in the world.

Homebrewing is illegal in Japan (making anything with over one percent alcohol) without a license. From my modest interweb research, it sounds like a rule that is not strictly honored or enforced.

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If a wine expert is called a sommelier, what is a beer expert called? Some use the term beer sommelier, but a private company created a formal certification in 2007 called a Cicerone. The term comes from the Webster definition of a guide or one who explains curiosities. The term was added to the dictionary in 2023 as a proper noun with a service mark in the beer context.

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Did you miss last week's hobby thread with a Lego theme? The comments may be closed, but you can re-live the content.

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One of the best parts of the Hobby Thread is when someone is inspired to try something new or pick up an old interest. If that is you, please share in the comments or send me a note. Our friend PA Dutchman sent this:

Attached is a shot of my finished Tamiya 1/35 Type 97 Chi-Ha. It was a blast to build and the first model I've built in about 35 years. Thanks for the hobby thread for inspiring me to dig the kit out and get it done. The model is based on a tank from the 1st Tank Regiment of the Imperial Japanese Army, which took part in the invasion of the Malay Peninsula on December 8, 1941.

First model in 35 years - wow. Thank you!

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Notable comments from last week:

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Words of wisdom:

"Because despite all our troubles, when things are grim out in that wide round world of ours, that's when it's really important to have a good hobby." Posted by: tankascribe at June 22, 2024 07:41 PM (HWxAD).

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Do you need another reminder to join the horde at the TX MoMe? On the fence and not sure? Be not afraid. Get thee to Texas. Contact info in the banner on the left for Ben Had.

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If beer or beer-related material is are not your thing and you have trouble finding something in the content or comments that resonates with you, there might be something wrong with you. In that unlikely event, hijack the thread for your hobbying as you see fit. We will feature a different hobby next time around. Send thoughts, suggestions and photos of your hobbying to moronhobbies at protonmail dot com. Ace of Spades is not responsible for any skunked beer. No Bud Light was utilized in the production of this post. Duffman can never die.

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1 Welcome Hobbiests and Beer drinkers

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2024 05:35 PM (fwDg9)

2 I almost expect a teenage girl to pop out of the cupola
Great job PA Dutchman

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2024 05:37 PM (fwDg9)

3 Hello, hobby folken,

In my drinking days I often drank beer, but I was no connoisseur. Whatever was on sale was fine. Though I especially liked Lone Star, that brand out of Texas that was sold as far east as Lafayette, LA, and Pabst Blue Ribbon. I really don't recall if I ever had any English beers, warm or otherwise.

Oh, there was the Foster's Australian beer in the big oil can.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 28, 2024 05:39 PM (omVj0)

4 Well, there is Arrogant Bastard Ale. Not bad.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 28, 2024 05:39 PM (Q4IgG)

5 Drinking beer is definitely one of my hobbies. I'm always practicing--some day I hope to go pro!

Of glassware, I only have two of interest--a glass mug from The American Spectator, and a "tulip" from Red Letter Media that says "Half in the Bag."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 28, 2024 05:41 PM (CHHv1)

6 The Wheel of Hobbies stops on BEER on National Drink Beer Day?

What are the odds?

I smell divine intervention at work. Or maybe that's just the hops.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 28, 2024 05:41 PM (BpYfr)

7 I don't drink as much beer as my younger days, so if your not drinking much might as well get good craft beers.

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2024 05:42 PM (fwDg9)

8 Mongo like Mongo Beer

Posted by: Mongo at September 28, 2024 05:43 PM (63Dwl)

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Beer out of a pilsner glass is the best. You keep the glass at the top rack of the freezer, pour the beer in slowly, just a little foam. Sip, eat, sip, eat, repeat.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 28, 2024 05:43 PM (RKVpM)

10 Ice cold beer on a hot day. I am not much of a beer drinker but I really like Guinness and enjoyed the pony size Coronas with a slice of lime.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 05:43 PM (I1GXe)

11 I've seen Stiegl for sale here in Columbus. I think I bought some once and liked it.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at September 28, 2024 05:43 PM (sJHOI)

12 Not a beer drinker here.

My parents had a Lone Star Beer coin bank shaped like a barrel. Instead of a rubber plug on bottom, it had a threaded one made of resin (or whatever the bank itself was made of. Didn't seem like cheap plastic)

Not sure how tall it was, but it seemed rather large. Maybe 12 inches?

Posted by: JQ at September 28, 2024 05:44 PM (njWTi)

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"If a wine expert is called a sommelier, what is a beer expert called?

Posted by: TRex

Fat, you call a beer expert fat.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 28, 2024 05:45 PM (lZVZi)

14 Brewing beer seems like a good option for one of multiple sources of income.

Also, beer.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2024 05:45 PM (FnneF)

15 Something for Wolfus:

https://tinyurl.com/5n774864

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 28, 2024 05:45 PM (0eaVi)

16 PA Dutchman, that Tamiya tank is very well done. The treads even look as if they are crusted with mud -- that this is not a prototype, but one that got out there in the field!

When, late in my model-building period, I discovered Tamiya models after many years with Revell and Aurora kits, I was amazed at their detail and fine proportions. My completed tanks -- a WWII King Tiger and a West German Leopard -- both looked as if Dr. Cyclops had turned a miniaturizing ray on examples of the full-size machines.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 28, 2024 05:45 PM (omVj0)

17 I don't drink beer, but my college buddies (who do) and I used to get together a few times a year to brew it. Always a lot of fun.

They were all engineers (two of them chemical engineers), so they were dead-serious when it came to maintaining a high-quality, clean brewing environment. I don't think we ever made a bad batch.

A few bottles did break after bottling due to being too full (too much fermenting can cause them to explode), but that's normal.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 28, 2024 05:46 PM (BpYfr)

18 A few bottles did break after bottling due to being too full (too much fermenting can cause them to explode), but that's normal.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 28, 2024 05:46 PM (BpYfr)

Good thing the hezzies don't drink alcohol!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 28, 2024 05:48 PM (0eaVi)

19 I like beer. I have other hobbies now, though.

Posted by: huerfano at September 28, 2024 05:48 PM (VGOMa)

20 44 years ago in the French Quarter we hit this hole in the wall oyster bar and ended up drinking from our own pitcher, no glass, our own pitcher. When you set out to eat 3 or 4 dozen oysters that's how it was. Good times.

Posted by: Eromero at September 28, 2024 05:48 PM (LHPAg)

21 Something for Wolfus:

https://tinyurl.com/5n774864
Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 28, 2024

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Amazing! This guy has done more than one adaptation in that style? I have to check his work out!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 28, 2024 05:49 PM (omVj0)

22 Since I missed the pet thread...

Bluebell the hen says, no capes!!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2024 05:49 PM (FnneF)

23 Dad was a Bud drinker.
I took him to our favorite microbrewery (long ago) where we often went after work.
With about 8 of my workmates and the brewery owner behind the bar we watched as Dad took a swig and waited for his opinion.
"I like Bud better." brought the group to tears as we all enjoyed our 24oz personalized beer steins.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 28, 2024 05:50 PM (lZVZi)

24 Amazing! This guy has done more than one adaptation in that style? I have to check his work out!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 28, 2024 05:49 PM (omVj0)

There are quite a few people posting things like that. This guy says he's in the business, so I'd say that's why it looks so good.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 28, 2024 05:50 PM (0eaVi)

25 I did the home brew thing back in the late '90s. Other than a couple brews I thought they were all meh. I suspect the quality of the equipment is one of the most significant issues beyond the quality of the ingredients.

And having a favorable environment.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 28, 2024 05:50 PM (Q4IgG)

26 Beer was invented about 500 years ago - in anticipation that someday there would be a thing called chicken wings, which would require a beverage to "put out the fire", so to speak.

Wings without beer would just be inconceivable.

Posted by: MrExcitement at September 28, 2024 05:51 PM (hOOi9)

27 6 The Wheel of Hobbies stops on BEER on National Drink Beer Day? What are the odds? I smell divine intervention at work.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 28, 2024 05:41 PM
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The Wheel knows all. But there has been a lot of theology discussed and discovered en route to the bottom of a beer glass.

Posted by: TRex at September 28, 2024 05:51 PM (IQ6Gq)

28 I'm drinking a nice cold St. Pauli Girl, after a day at the range. I'm toasting the several hundred rounds of 9 mil and 556 that were expended in my quest to become a better and more efficient weapons handler.

I'm also toasting the almost unspeakably sublime fact that Hassan Nasrallah will never see anything like the ample and beautifully formed cleavage of the supremely fetching St. Pauli Girl that adorns the label of my ice-cold beverage in his perverted idea of the after life.

Here's to you Hassan. Enjoy the weather.

Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at September 28, 2024 05:52 PM (MkuC5)

29 I missed the pet thread but I see there was a chicken featured and there is chicken news today.

Douglas Carswell
@DouglasCarswell
In Britain from next Tuesday it will be a criminal offence to keep a chicken without registering it with the authorities. Clown country

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You can't just let unregistered chickens clucking around everywhere.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 28, 2024 05:53 PM (L/fGl)

30 Not a brewer and actually don't drink a lot of beer. But I have some preferences. Brown(ish) ales as a group and a rather tart IPA when having light food like salad or buttery seafood.

I've come to like various Founders beers. Their All Day IPA, Dirty Bastard, and Porter pretty much meet my beer needs. And a far cry, and improvement, from the Narragansett brew so common in my Rhode Island youth. It had one redeeming quality: it was better than Iron City beer. Not sure if either brewery still exist.

Posted by: JTB at September 28, 2024 05:54 PM (yTvNw)

31 I started brewing the day it became legal. I've bottled hundreds of batches, and the only time I've had a bottle break was when one had been through a hot dishwasher cycle for sterilization and lost its annealed strength -- a shattering experience at the capping press.

If you are monitoring your specific gravity, and priming the secondary correctly, the bottles won't blow up.

I did have the top blow off a tun once. Attempting a barley wine, the fermentation went stuck on me and it "wouldn't bubble." I should have pulled some off and used a yeast nutrient, but I added more corn sugar. When it took off I was not around, and the heavy wort clogged the bubbler, built up pressure under the snap lid, and evenly coated the kitchenette without about a pint of very pure extract. Cleanup was an involved process. "I learned from that."

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at September 28, 2024 05:55 PM (zdLoL)

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I was @Dublin, free tour of Guinness and such a green tourist, had no idea, but everyone in group was so excited!

Posted by: zigzag at September 28, 2024 05:55 PM (JYmEz)

33 allows for the beers gas to be released more naturally

Fart thread!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 28, 2024 05:55 PM (5p9UO)

34 they were dead-serious when it came to maintaining a high-quality, clean brewing environment.

I've brewed beer a few times.

Clean brewing is key. Or else, you end up with Stinkbrau.

Every batch I made was...eh...good, not bad but not great either. Honestly, I've never had anybody's home brew that was any better than okay. And some unpleasant.

Pro Tip: Don't make Brussels sprout beer.

This is one of those things that the Pros do very well across the board. Why subject yourself to mediocre stuff even if it is home brewed.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 28, 2024 05:55 PM (eDfFs)

35 I can't count the number of gallons I have brewed, my at home personal record is 40 gal in one day, 2 20gal batches. I was president of the beer club at the time and had 75 brewers over, and in one day brewed 1140 gallons of beer.
Brewed at a brewery 3 times and after helping design a brewery and having the owners 'bottom feed' on salary I turned down a job as a brewmeister.

I haven't brewed in 20 years; but, I have the gear and have started looking into malted barley and available hop varieties recently. It may happen again!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 28, 2024 05:57 PM (lZVZi)

36 I've home-brewed kombucha (mostly for the wife), but never beer. I've also home-brewed kvass, which is a fermented Russian drink made with stale dark bread; think "prison wine" without fruit. If you barely ferment it, it's almost a soft drink. Let it go too long and it's too bitter for my taste.

Posted by: PabloD at September 28, 2024 05:58 PM (DDP4b)

37 34 Pro Tip: Don't make Brussels sprout beer.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 28, 2024 05:55 PM
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or drink it. Just to be safe. Yikes.

Posted by: TRex at September 28, 2024 05:58 PM (IQ6Gq)

38 Homebrewer here - generally all grain, no sparge. Started the hobby making meads, but shifted to beers once we had kids. Not as frequent this year, pipeline is currently empty, but I keg, and like to have two on tap at once - if I'm aggressive in brewing weekends close to each other, maybe a 3rd in a keg on deck. Love being able to brew obscure styles not usually exported to the US. One of my two best recipes is a decent English Mild that comes in at 3.8%, but lots of flavor. The other best is a Maibock at maybe 6.7%, but you wouldn't know it - sneaks up on you. Recently did a belgian "singel" or patersbier - belgian flavor, but sessionable - wife liked that one.

Posted by: MD_Mike at September 28, 2024 05:58 PM (BouEL)

39 30 It had one redeeming quality: it was better than Iron City beer. Not sure if either brewery still exist.

Posted by: JTB at September 28, 2024 05:54 PM
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Iron City and IC Light both still exist, but been many, many years since I've hoisted either.

Posted by: TRex at September 28, 2024 06:00 PM (IQ6Gq)

40 My wife loves beer and today is her birthday, which magically aligns with National Drink Beer Day??! Plus, this thread popping up about beer? This calls for Belgium tripel for the wife and I…. In glasses of course. Don’t want to feel bloated!

Posted by: HappyFun at September 28, 2024 06:02 PM (aIURK)

41 40 My wife loves beer and today is her birthday, which magically aligns with National Drink Beer Day??! Plus, this thread popping up about beer? This calls for Belgium tripel for the wife and I…. In glasses of course. Don’t want to feel bloated!

Posted by: HappyFun at September 28, 2024 06:02 PM
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Divine providence. Happy birthday to your bride! Prost!

Posted by: TRex at September 28, 2024 06:04 PM (IQ6Gq)

42 I keg, and like to have two on tap at once - if I'm aggressive in brewing weekends close to each other, maybe a 3rd in a keg on deck.
Posted by: MD_Mike

I had a temp controlled chest freezer (9ft IIRC) and had 11 corny kegs with different beers on tap at one time. As you probably guess they all had 'cobra' taps.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 28, 2024 06:06 PM (lZVZi)

43 Beer is good for chasing whiskey.
Cigarettes for chasing everything else.
At least, that's how I remember it. I was drunk at the time.
Old Style kegs was my fraternity's go to beer.

Posted by: Accomack at September 28, 2024 06:07 PM (tLPHV)

44 You don't often hear brewers make fun of the ultra lite beers, because they know how hard it is to make it without it going off. No, I don't 'like' it, but it is an achievement.

Last I heard, Iron City was being brewed in the former Rolling Rock brewery in the Laurel Highlands. It was all you could get at Nelson Ledges in the old days, and was stunningly good very cold and in a metal can -- as if it had been laid down for that purpose. Another great beer in metal was the old Andeker of America. Some hops are described as "brassy," and the metal can (before plastic linings!) really bore this out.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at September 28, 2024 06:08 PM (zdLoL)

45 This calls for Belgium tripel for the wife and I…. In glasses of course. Don’t want to feel bloated!
Posted by: HappyFun

Nice!
I brewed a Belgium Tripel only once, 11%, it was well appreciated.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 28, 2024 06:08 PM (lZVZi)

46 I don't often drink beer, though maybe I should substitute it for the evening cocktail. There are more calories in 2-3 shots of booze than in one beer, and the beer will take longer to drink.

Posted by: PabloD at September 28, 2024 06:08 PM (DDP4b)

47 My niece home-brews and she has a degree in Chemical Engineering. There may be a connection.

Posted by: huerfano at September 28, 2024 06:08 PM (VGOMa)

48
Yesterday, I noticed the grocery had the Octoberfest beers out, so I bought a 4-pack of Ayinger October-Fest Marzen

Very tasty and smooth, very drinkable with food, of course!

It had a really nice malty flavor. Malt seems to have gone out of style these days with everyone going hog wild on the hops. I like hops and some of the over-hopped beers but I prefer a nicely balanced brew where the hops makes it crisp and the malt makes it smooth and just right for drinking with a meal.

The Japanese do this very well. The beer brewed in Japan is clearly to be quaffed while dining.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 28, 2024 06:08 PM (eDfFs)

49 Douglas Carswell
@DouglasCarswell
In Britain from next Tuesday it will be a criminal offence to keep a chicken without registering it with the authorities. Clown country

Mommy buggers.

Posted by: Clarkson's Farm at September 28, 2024 06:09 PM (/U5Yz)

50 Attention Model Builders,

Eduard is having their E-Day sale until 30 Sept. 20% off all in stock items, including new October releases like the new tool 1/48 P-51B Mustang with fin filet. See of buddies will chip in to order as orders over $200, IIRC, get free shipping from the Czech Republic.

Squadron and Sprue Brothers are having 20% off in stock Eduard items this weekend also,

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 28, 2024 06:09 PM (C/v00)

51 Food but not beer related. I may be adding a new hobby to the (too) many I have: baking. The last few weeks I've made banana bread, several batches of biscuits (that taste like biscuits), and yesterday we made Moki's pita bread recipe. There is satisfaction in handling the dough, learning about various flours, yeasts, etc. And it's making me appreciate cast iron cookware even more than before.

Part of this is just for the fun but part is taking more control of the ingredients in our food. I'll expand on this in tomorrow's food thread.

Several weeks ago CBD sent me information about sourdough starter which I plan to put to use this winter.

Posted by: JTB at September 28, 2024 06:10 PM (yTvNw)

52 You don't often hear brewers make fun of the ultra lite beers, because they know how hard it is to make it without it going off. No, I don't 'like' it, but it is an achievement.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver

We all made fun of the megaswill brews; but, those brew masters have mad-skills. Bud tastes the same all over the world no matter what the local water chemistry is and what barley and hop is available.

I used to joke that I used one of the megaswills for a keg rinse because I knew they wouldn't had any flavor and would be perfectly 'sterile'.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 28, 2024 06:13 PM (lZVZi)

53 Hops plants are amazing, the vines grow so long and so quickly! The roots are invasive, though.

My one venture with them, turned out merely okay-- got probably 1/2 pound of hops total from 3 plants-- I'd grown them in *huge* containers and trained them spirally onto pyramid shaped trellises. (Couldn't tie off to the soffet like I wanted.) They resembled Christmas trees with their little green hop cones as ornaments. Pictures died with old computer, unfortunately.

One brother used to make beer, so I grew these for him. Sad that he didn't use them, but it was a great gardening year!

Posted by: JQ at September 28, 2024 06:14 PM (njWTi)

54 There are more calories in 2-3 shots of booze than in one beer, and the beer will take longer to drink.
Posted by: PabloD

I don't understand that last bit...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 28, 2024 06:15 PM (lZVZi)

55 >>> 49 Douglas Carswell
@DouglasCarswell
In Britain from next Tuesday it will be a criminal offence to keep a chicken without registering it with the authorities. Clown country

Mommy buggers.
Posted by: Clarkson's Farm at September 28, 2024 06:09 PM (/U5Yz)

You may have my chickens... never.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2024 06:15 PM (FnneF)

56 Britain not alone in Chicken Wars. It has been discussed here: most towns have invoked chicken rules. Up to four hens and no rooster at all is a pretty common ordinance. In UK, all rules are national, apparently?

My frickin' next-road neighbor has a domestic goose patrolling. Chases people, if they let him. Across the street is a fenced Saint Bernard, not the mellowest Barnie you ever met. There is going to be a reckoning.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at September 28, 2024 06:15 PM (zdLoL)

57 co worker was in brewing club "maltose falcons" .
Went to a tasting party. The judges were very drunk before the end, heck, most of us were. Started calling them "comatose falcons".

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 28, 2024 06:16 PM (uTs0B)

58 Ben Franklin is the kind of guy who would buttchug imperial IPAs with truants. No matter his contributions, he was a creepy weirdo.

Posted by: His Middle Name Was Wayne at September 28, 2024 06:16 PM (e13i6)

59 >>> 53 Hops plants are amazing, the vines grow so long and so quickly! The roots are invasive, though.

My one venture with them, turned out merely okay-- got probably 1/2 pound of hops total from 3 plants-- I'd grown them in *huge* containers and trained them spirally onto pyramid shaped trellises. (Couldn't tie off to the soffet like I wanted.) They resembled Christmas trees with their little green hop cones as ornaments. Pictures died with old computer, unfortunately.

One brother used to make beer, so I grew these for him. Sad that he didn't use them, but it was a great gardening year!
Posted by: JQ at September 28, 2024 06:14 PM (njWTi)

How huge is huge? I've got some tubs with ~2' diameter and 2' + depth.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2024 06:17 PM (FnneF)

60 36 I've also home-brewed kvass, which is a fermented Russian drink made with stale dark bread; think "prison wine" without fruit.

Posted by: PabloD at September 28, 2024 05:58 PM
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"prison wine?" Pass.

Posted by: TRex at September 28, 2024 06:17 PM (IQ6Gq)

61 When I was traveling around Germany in an APC (Armored Personnel Carrier) I found that almost every village had their own brewery. That's where the good stuff was. Really liked those flip top bottles as well.

Posted by: javems at September 28, 2024 06:18 PM (8I4hW)

62 What sort of pisses me off is the way some stores, not the breweries, will claim the beer is "local." I do understand the financials that drive this, but it still pisses me off.

If your beer is named "my city lager" and brewed in "some other city 100's of miles away"

It's not "locally brewed."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 28, 2024 06:18 PM (Q4IgG)

63 Trappist beers are made by young boys dressed like girls.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 28, 2024 06:18 PM (uTs0B)

64 Made a meatball grinder, would have been nice to have a beer with it. It's certain foods when I will have a beer with it.
We have only 1 can of beer, but wife claimed it weeks ago and it's still in refrigerator.

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2024 06:20 PM (fwDg9)

65 🍻

TimberCreek is a local watering hole near Grove City, PA. They make there own beer. The Oktoberfest brew is delightful! Lots of winery's, distillery's, and microbrewers have popped up in the PA in the last 20 years. None of that was here when I was growing up.

Posted by: Puddleglum, mmmmm, beer at September 28, 2024 06:20 PM (/Djer)

66 How huge is huge? I've got some tubs with ~2' diameter and 2' + depth.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
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Yours would work!

Mine were homemade wooden planters, 2' x 2' x 20"deep

Posted by: JQ at September 28, 2024 06:21 PM (njWTi)

67 Gosh, what changed that we suddenly have to have chicken rules? Couldn't be the importation of boatloads of godless swarthy foreigners who are uncivilized barbarians requiring draconian oversight (which is imposed on everyone).

Posted by: Let's Eliminate All Freedoms So We Can Be Browner at September 28, 2024 06:22 PM (fybOr)

68 Helena-- One plant per tub.

I bought the rhizomes online from a place in Oregon, can't think of the name right now...

Posted by: JQ at September 28, 2024 06:23 PM (njWTi)

69
How huge is huge? I've got some tubs with ~2' diameter and 2' + depth.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket

https://is.gd/znkyJE

The depth/size might work; but, you might need to stake them a little better than you think!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 28, 2024 06:24 PM (lZVZi)

70 63 Trappist beers are made by young boys dressed like girls.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 28, 2024 06:18 PM
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If you watch the Chimay history video, you'll learn that the head brewmaster on a day to day basis is a civilian who started there as a painter. He had the chance to learn to make beer and left painting behind.

Posted by: TRex at September 28, 2024 06:25 PM (IQ6Gq)

71 About 30 per cent of the beer sold in Germany was never compliant with the Reinheitsgebot, as it was made with at least 50 per cent Wheat in lieu of Barley. Hefe Weissen.

Fresh out of the tap, there is nothing quite like it. Not a super hoppy beer, it tends to have more a calming effect, suitable for quiet contemplation. And drinking another Hefe. They are tasty.

Interestingly Beer or Bier drinkers in Germany were sort of looked down on, was the way it was explained to me. Like the way we might look at Harley riders or scooter trash, say. Goddamn beer drinkers, Decent folks drink wine.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 28, 2024 06:25 PM (16bie)

72 Helena-- I remembered!

thymegarden.com

Posted by: JQ at September 28, 2024 06:26 PM (njWTi)

73 Iron City is still a thing in Western PA. Usually buy a case of IC Light and take it back with me to Babylon DC. Show that stupid town some culture.

Posted by: Puddleglum, mmmmm, beer at September 28, 2024 06:26 PM (/Djer)

74 Big beer fan. I blame my mother. I was born in Germany while my dad was serving and my mom's German obstetrician told her to drink beer while she was nursing so it's not my fault. She started me young.

There are a bunch of little breweries around me and I enjoy trying different brews. Not the froo froo pumpkin spice crap but different pilsners and ales and normal stuff.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2024 06:28 PM (LkLld)

75 Was invited to pour at a Santa Monica beer fest, pouring Sierra Nevada brewery products. Good thing I had keys to my office around the corner. Zzzzz Zzzzzz. Kid in a candy store.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 28, 2024 06:30 PM (uTs0B)

76 I like beer. Not enough to make it though. I like steak too but I don't grow my own cows.

Posted by: fd at September 28, 2024 06:31 PM (vFG9F)

77 The depth/size might work; but, you might need to stake them a little better than you think!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
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Stake?

More like: run strong twine from soffet of 2-story house! Or from a tall pole, like the pro growers. You want to be able to let the vines down without killing the plant during harvest, then leave it to die back naturally, to feed the roots.

My spiral pyramids were a minor success, but would rather have done differently.

Posted by: JQ at September 28, 2024 06:32 PM (njWTi)

78 >>> 72 Helena-- I remembered!

thymegarden.com
Posted by: JQ at September 28, 2024 06:26 PM (njWTi)

Thanks!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 28, 2024 06:32 PM (FnneF)

79 Beer humor:
There is a strain of hops named "Hallertau" and another named "Fugles", the former is frequently used for lagers and the latter for ales. There used to be (and still might be) a significant different in price per oz for the Hallertau.
I brewed mainly ales so never bought Hallertau.
Long ago someone in the US did a DNA test on the Hallertau available and found it was Fugles.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 28, 2024 06:32 PM (lZVZi)

80 Drinking German beer ruined American beer for me. Stuttgarter Wizen was the drink of choice, followed by Warsteiner. But never Eichbaum. Tasted like it was filtered through old pfennig coins.

Posted by: Blanco Basura -Z28.310 at September 28, 2024 06:33 PM (ojCLR)

81 @73 it was featured in the 1979 "Dawn of the Dead."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 28, 2024 06:33 PM (CHHv1)

82
No fruit flavor. No Citra hops. No Hazy.

Posted by: Auspex at September 28, 2024 06:34 PM (j4U/Z)

83 German beer was a wake-up after American beer

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2024 06:34 PM (fwDg9)

84 Beer!

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2024 06:35 PM (p4Gz+)

85 Nelson Ledges! I haven't thought about that place in years. Such fun!

Posted by: pawn at September 28, 2024 06:36 PM (QB+5g)

86 That Duff Brewery clip showed why the old Simpsons’ episodes were so great. One clever line after another.

Posted by: Eternity Matters at September 28, 2024 06:36 PM (eU82G)

87 Couldn't be the importation of boatloads of godless swarthy foreigners

There's a name for what's eating you, but it's Latin so I will not bother. No dipshit, it was scads of sudden-back-to-earthers who were raised in animal-free conditions all of a sudden deciding their 5000 SF lot was Green Acres, and parking roosters under Karen the HOA Chair's bedroom window. Also, foxes, coons and chicken shit. In other words: people just exactly like yourself.

Somebody let your sorry ass in, and he and I will talk soon.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at September 28, 2024 06:36 PM (zdLoL)

88 >>German beer was a wake-up after American beer

The Swiss make some great beer too.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2024 06:37 PM (LkLld)

89 Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is superb.

Sours are interesting. IPAs are often not well balanced. I like porters. Stouts are often too malty.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2024 06:38 PM (p4Gz+)

90
Somebody looking for the banhammer on a pleasant Saturday evening thread about beer.

C & P and off to CBD. Again.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 28, 2024 06:39 PM (RKVpM)

91 I have 4 cans of Carling Black Ice beer, 710 ml, 6.1%

Posted by: Stateless at September 28, 2024 06:40 PM (jvJvP)

92 Great work on the model tank!

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at September 28, 2024 06:40 PM (1v1Wh)

93 Never tried Belgian White Beer

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2024 06:41 PM (fwDg9)

94 Anything from Bayern Brewery. They also have a nice restaurant, limited menu, in Missoula MT. It's that time of the year. Pork cutlets, braised red cabbage and mashed acorn squash for dinner with a Bayern Octoberfest beer. Pumpkin pie for dessert. Yummmmmmy!

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at September 28, 2024 06:42 PM (2NHgQ)

95 Not only good beer, it was not expensive. About 8 bucks a case (of 20 bottles, or 10 liters) delivered.

What was REALLY weird, there were at least a few "barracks rats" stationed over there who never thought to try the restaurants or gasthaus meals, and were content to buy American shit lager light beer from the PX. That made no sense, although I guess "there is no accounting for taste".

American bars and taverns were never quite the same after Prohibition. There are no "branded" bars in the USA, that is not legal. In Germany they have a "sponsor" and competitor products are not allowed for sale. Makes sense to me, I guess. This has the effect of subsidizing or at least keeping beer prices competitive overall.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 28, 2024 06:43 PM (iioOY)

96 Anyone else misread Stiegl Hell as 'Sieg Hell'??

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 28, 2024 06:43 PM (CEzQx)

97 Good grief, the banned guy has been stinking up threads today. I hope he's banned.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at September 28, 2024 06:43 PM (2NHgQ)

98 I've brewed a lot of beer. Not great but OK, so I kept brewing it and drinking it. For sure it was better than Lone Star, Pearl or Jax.

Posted by: Ronster at September 28, 2024 06:43 PM (+PI4p)

99 The increase in alcohol content in beer and ales has been interesting.

I can buy beer with twice the proof of wine. 1/5 the proof of Bourbon.

Not sure it's better.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 28, 2024 06:44 PM (Q4IgG)

100 Samuel Adams is a bit pricey but there Oktoberfest Ale and Winter Lagers are my favorites. Drink way to much of it this time of year. Yuengling Oktoberfest Ale is very good, slightly less $$ than Samuel Adams offering.

Posted by: Puddleglum, mmmmm, beer at September 28, 2024 06:45 PM (/Djer)

101 Making your own beer I assume would be cheaper?
Not that alone would be your motivation

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2024 06:45 PM (fwDg9)

102 Beer is not a hobby for me anymore.

It is a source of income, since I got a new job in April. It’s quite amazing to see how beer is bottled and canned on a mass production basis.

Posted by: PMRich at September 28, 2024 06:47 PM (eh5ud)

103 Guinness For Health!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 28, 2024 06:47 PM (ZC0L3)

104 How long does beer in a keg last?

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 06:47 PM (I1GXe)

105 73 Usually buy a case of IC Light and take it back with me to Babylon DC.

Posted by: Puddleglum, mmmmm, beer at September 28, 2024 06:26 PM
***
If you're in/near the Beltway or NoVa, drop me a line. We'll get together and drink beer.

Posted by: TRex at September 28, 2024 06:47 PM (IQ6Gq)

106 Colfax Mingo? Remember that dude?

Posted by: pawn at September 28, 2024 06:47 PM (QB+5g)

107 I like the complexity of a good Hefe Weissen. Or a Pils or crystal.

To be honest many beers never really tasted all that great to me. OK, not great. Refreshing, to be sure. A Hefe is just perfect for my taste buds. It doesn't make people as belligerent, I don't believe. Just kinda sleepy.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 28, 2024 06:48 PM (iioOY)

108 They have several ‘Belgian Ales’ and such in the market here. Le Fin du Monde comes to mind, as does Maredsous. I can only drink a few ounces though but man! That stuff just hammers me!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2024 06:48 PM (3Ope8)

109 It's not "locally brewed."
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 28, 2024 06:18 PM (Q4IgG)

Does it have to within 10 miles to be local?

Posted by: I'll choose a new nick later-Certified Dangerous Radical at September 28, 2024 06:49 PM (89Sog)

110 Shiner Bock makes me happy. I also like New Belgium's Trippel.

Posted by: mrp at September 28, 2024 06:49 PM (rj6Yv)

111 A sealed keg, kept cold, should last a long time.

Once it is cracked open, it would start to oxidize upon exposure to the atmosphere.

And should be consumed immediately! So get drinking, fellas.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 28, 2024 06:49 PM (iioOY)

112 100 Samuel Adams is a bit pricey but there Oktoberfest Ale and Winter Lagers are my favorites. Drink way to much of it this time of year.

Posted by: Puddleglum, mmmmm, beer at September 28, 2024 06:45 PM
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Congratulations! You win the post #100 award.

Fwiw, I'm partial to Sam Adams Oktoberfest as well. Good choice.

Posted by: TRex at September 28, 2024 06:50 PM (IQ6Gq)

113 Home brew is often nasty. Folks try to do too much out of the blocks.

Stouts are the easiest to brew. Start there.
Sam Smith makes a good, solid Oatmeal Stout.

Newcastle Nut Brown Ale is also really good.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2024 06:50 PM (h66YK)

114 If you're in/near the Beltway or NoVa, drop me a line. We'll get together and drink beer.
Posted by: TRex
............................
Sounds like an idea. Live next to a metro station. Old Town Alexandria is easy to get too. My work schedule is wonky though.

Posted by: Puddleglum, mmmmm, beer at September 28, 2024 06:52 PM (/Djer)

115 A real Hefeweizen is open fermentation. Usually has a slight banana taste.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2024 06:52 PM (h66YK)

116 Mmmmm. New Belgium beers, very good. Nice brewery in Asheville, NC. Fun day walking the grounds, tasting beer and a nice lunch outside. 1554 and Fat Tire are favorites for mr. nec and I.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at September 28, 2024 06:52 PM (2NHgQ)

117 I do enjoy Red Horse and Leon or Modela Negra

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2024 06:53 PM (3Ope8)

118 @Wolfus Thank you for the compliment! It's been a long time since I've built any models and right now I'm just working on getting my confidence and skills built back up. Just started on a Panzer II Ausf. G, also 1/35 from Tamiya.

Posted by: PA Dutchman at September 28, 2024 06:53 PM (QyT5w)

119
Pre-pandemic I had a nicely stocked wine cellar. Nothing expensive just a lot of Cabernet Sauvignon. Then came the lockdowns and the lockouts. Wine is not really my thing except occasionally when it is really good. I ventured down there last week and it's nothing but a couple of 19's and 20's. Maybe a dozen bottles left out of once was a hundred or so.

Should I sent the bill to Fauci for restocking?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 28, 2024 06:53 PM (RKVpM)

120 Home brew needs to age a few weeks (in the bottle) to achieve carbonation. It also needs to the time for the remaining yeast to consume the more complex sugars that make new brew "green" tasting, with off flavors.

About 3 months or so is even better. The German word for "storage" is "Lager". That's what they meant by that, brewing beer and then storing it in ice caves or whatever over the winter. You'll have some fine brew come summer! Hops and alcohol preserves it, but the yeast clean everything up and make it taste crisp and clean.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 28, 2024 06:53 PM (iioOY)

121 "Newcastle Nut Brown Ale is also really good."

I was just going to mention the English Brown Ales.

That was the only beer that I was able to homebrew that turned out decent.

Posted by: pawn at September 28, 2024 06:54 PM (QB+5g)

122 It's not "locally brewed."
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 28, 2024 06:18 PM (Q4IgG)

Does it have to within 10 miles to be local?
Posted by: I'll choose a new nick later-Certified Dangerous Radical at September 28, 2024 06:49 PM (89Sog)
____________

I thought there were "requirements" for brews sold as "local." Federal. Not local. ATF stuff.

Maybe not?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 28, 2024 06:56 PM (Q4IgG)

123 German beer educated me. The Marzans, the Hefeweisens in the summer, but especially the Wits.
Belgium beer simply ruined me. Maredsous, Westmalle, Orval, etc
We were in a "beer restaurant" in Brugge Belgium, and the beer menu was 2inches thick. Single space, double sided pages.
Heaven....

Posted by: Grateful at September 28, 2024 06:57 PM (IQ6Gq)

124 'Bitters' in the UK were quite good.

Posted by: Puddleglum, mmmmm, beer at September 28, 2024 06:57 PM (/Djer)

125 While in the army I enjoyed two tours to Germany. Both in Bavaria. The absolute best bier I found was out of Augsburg and it was a helles style called Hasenbrau. Absolutely fantastic!

Posted by: Diogenes at September 28, 2024 06:58 PM (W/lyH)

126 Brown? Avery's Ellie's Brown Ale out of Colorado.

Posted by: Grateful at September 28, 2024 06:59 PM (IQ6Gq)

127 Mmmmmmm.....Maredsous....

Posted by: TRex at September 28, 2024 06:59 PM (IQ6Gq)

128 Yeah, slight clove and banana taste is the "official" determination for Hefe Weissen.

It's really super subtle, I wouldn't look at it as diagnostic. What I did notice, NOBODY can make a Hefe in the USA.

I've tried them all, or most - and they seem to taste like shit, nothing like a Hefe, or really faggy fruity stuff with apricots or strawberries or whatever. "Honey Wheat" etc.

I made a really great tasting beer using Wheat based DME and the proper yeast, but it didn't really taste like a Hefe. Better than anything that claimed to be one, though.

One 6 pack I bought tasted like moldy cardboard. I mean, that shit should have been recalled. Tucher, Weiheinstephan and a couple other genuine Hefe's should be available in any well stocked beverage outlet.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 28, 2024 06:59 PM (iioOY)

129 I thought there were "requirements" for brews sold as "local." Federal. Not local. ATF stuff.

Maybe not?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 28, 2024 06:56 PM (Q4IgG)

I beg your pardon but I was snarking on a unlamented, semi great , poster that went by Banana Splits Guy and his 10 mile limit.

I'll show myself to the door.

Posted by: I'll choose a new nick later-Certified Dangerous Radical at September 28, 2024 07:00 PM (89Sog)

130 Barrel aged beers can cause problems

So good though.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2024 07:01 PM (oYaSF)

131
It really shouldn't be called a wine cellar. Actually it's where every spider in the county goes and has an orgy that puts the P Diddy/Kamala sex tape to shame. Allegedly, yet repeatedly.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 28, 2024 07:01 PM (RKVpM)

132 * makes sure not to hand Grateful a Coors*

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 07:02 PM (I1GXe)

133 Fortunately I can still find German biers here locally. Hofbrau and Paulener. Prices aren't too bad either.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 28, 2024 07:03 PM (W/lyH)

134 PA Dutchman PZKW MkII are my favorite early war tanks
Hope we get to see it when done

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2024 07:03 PM (fwDg9)

135 The local Hefe was Lichtenauer, with a depiction of the local castle iirc.

It was called "Lick the Schnauzer" by local GIs, though it seemed to be well loved. It was the equivalent of about 75c for a half liter during happy hour at the local pub. Before the Euro. I was told that the introduction of the Euro was a shock - nobody changed or adjusted the nominal prices - just the currency.

So what was once 1.75 Marks was now 1.75 Euro. Overnight. Like prices doubling, or near enough.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 28, 2024 07:03 PM (iioOY)

136 132/
Grateful (and TRex) will be handing you something you may very well like....

Posted by: Grateful at September 28, 2024 07:04 PM (IQ6Gq)

137 Last time I was in Salzburg, I drank the Stiegl. A very good bier.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 28, 2024 07:04 PM (W/lyH)

138 @Skip Absolutely! This thread was responsible for getting me back into the hobby. The least I can do is share the results!

Posted by: PA Dutchman at September 28, 2024 07:05 PM (QyT5w)

139 Paulaner makes a decent export Hefe, as well as Tucher. I sure liked that Lichtenauer though.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 28, 2024 07:06 PM (iioOY)

140 Chip Kelly is a piece of shit

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2024 07:06 PM (k0Wyd)

141 Drinking a Maredsous is a meal in and of itself.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2024 07:07 PM (3Ope8)

142 thought there were "requirements" for brews sold as "local." Federal. Not local. ATF stuff.

I think most of the restrictions a based upon advertised claims.
If you advertise as being a local beer to a specific state “Made in XX state” then trying to get beer from other sites can be very complicated and legal departments get deeply involved.

Overall beer consumption is down across the board, and the large brewing companies actively pursue opportunities to help build new, small brands.
The small places produce less than is wasted on a weekly basis in a big brewery.

Posted by: PMRich at September 28, 2024 07:07 PM (eh5ud)

143 Chip Kelly is a piece of shit
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2024 07:06 PM (k0Wyd)

*scratches Chip Kelly bier from list*

Posted by: Diogenes at September 28, 2024 07:08 PM (W/lyH)

144 Does it have to within 10 miles to be local?
--------
I understood that reference.

Posted by: Captain America at September 28, 2024 07:08 PM (CEzQx)

145 When you need a thirst quenching beer, go for miller genuine draft or Yuengling.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2024 07:10 PM (k0Wyd)

146 My HOA is hosting an Oktoberfest next weekend. I am building up my supplies but i keep sampling the stockage.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 28, 2024 07:10 PM (W/lyH)

147 "I understood that reference."

Oldie and a goldie!

Posted by: I'll choose a new nick later-Certified Dangerous Radical at September 28, 2024 07:11 PM (89Sog)

148
Chip Kelly was once head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles semipro football team, now at college level.

Not exactly moving on up, to the east side. With a deluxe apartment in the sky.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 28, 2024 07:11 PM (RKVpM)

149 When you need a thirst quenching beer, go for miller genuine draft…

*squinty eyes….* ;-)

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2024 07:12 PM (3Ope8)

150 Chip Kelly is a piece of shit
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2024 07:06 PM (k0Wyd)
*******
Ducks, Eagles, Ohio St? Couldn't agree more

Posted by: Grateful at September 28, 2024 07:13 PM (IQ6Gq)

151 Grateful and TRex, you are too kind. Just having you here is the best thing ever.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 07:13 PM (I1GXe)

152 Sierra Nevada has an Oktoberfest collaboration with Brauerei Gutmann that is fantasy.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2024 07:14 PM (k0Wyd)

153 *fantastic

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2024 07:14 PM (k0Wyd)

154 I don't drink many beers anymore maybe 6 a month (and those only if I feel like I have "earned" them) so when I do it's the good stuff.
I like Gordon Biersh Marzen.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 28, 2024 07:14 PM (MeG8a)

155 Ducks, Eagles, Ohio St? Couldn't agree more
Posted by: Grateful

All of the above

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2024 07:15 PM (k0Wyd)

156 Ocktoberfest is getting ready to break out all over North Texas.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 07:15 PM (I1GXe)

157 Dead guy rogue ale is pretty tasty. And Dogfish 90…

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2024 07:15 PM (3Ope8)

158 152/
I don't know who runs Sierra Nevada, but they are brilliant. Every aspect of their sites is a joy. Much like Stone in So Ca.

Posted by: Grateful at September 28, 2024 07:16 PM (IQ6Gq)

159 Big fan of stouts. Really enjoy Founders Breakfast Stout.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 28, 2024 07:16 PM (2AW7/)

160 When I was in Germany back in the 70's, we were required to go up to our battle positions (in case the godless Russian hordes came across the border) and get familiar with the roads and villages. We'd typically make four or five stops along the way and would always stop in a little village gasthaus. All of them had their own brewery. The biers were fantastic!
I started buying the brewery mug each time we'd stop.
I came home with a huge mug collection.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 28, 2024 07:16 PM (W/lyH)

161 When I have a beer, it's a Coors Light, because I'm stupid and I don't care.

Posted by: Ronster at September 28, 2024 07:17 PM (+PI4p)

162 After bud light went sodomite I started brewing my own beer. So far I can't brew it as cheaply as the current corporate swill on sale, I always come out a couple pennies more per bottle. but the resulting brew is great. Its like top shelf beer (buck or two a bottle). I'm brewing ales (top fermented, quicker and more forgiving in this Texas heat).

Posted by: The Walking Dude at September 28, 2024 07:17 PM (yoFcQ)

163 The best thing about beer is there’s one for every taste. You do you.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2024 07:18 PM (3Ope8)

164 >>I came home with a huge mug collection.

I have what's left of my parent's collection. Many got destroyed in moves but I still have a couple old ones.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2024 07:19 PM (LkLld)

165 161 When I have a beer, it's a Coors Light, because I'm stupid and I don't care.
Posted by: Ronster at September 28, 2024 07:17 PM (+PI4p)

Coors is ok. If you enjoy it, go for it. Question for you, are you open to try different craft beers?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 28, 2024 07:19 PM (2AW7/)

166 Dead guy rogue ale is pretty tasty. And Dogfish 90…
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2024 07:15 PM (3Ope

Not a fan of Dogfish, but Rogue Dead Guy is mighty fine!

Posted by: Diogenes at September 28, 2024 07:19 PM (W/lyH)

167 I started buying the brewery mug each time we'd stop.
I came home with a huge mug collection.
Posted by: Diogenes

This.
I still laugh when I think about trying to buy a glass at a small brewery near Darmstadt. I don't speak any German and they finally understood I wanted the glass. It was 4 color and beautiful: 40 cents.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 28, 2024 07:20 PM (lZVZi)

168 Posted by: Diogenes at September 28, 2024 07:19 PM (W/lyH)

RE: the dogfish….Yeah ya gotta be in the right frame of mind for an IPA like that.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2024 07:21 PM (3Ope8)

169
When I have a beer, it's a Coors Light, because I'm stupid and I don't care.

Posted by: Ronster at September 28, 2024 07:17

The very first time I had a Coors I thought it was pretty exceptional.

My son has a handbook for his homebrewing which breaks down the mineral content of the water used in various major brews so he could emulate a particular brand.

It probably had something to do with that. Presence or absence of something made it quite different.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 28, 2024 07:22 PM (RKVpM)

170 Dogfish and HeadyTopper were all the rage once. Been a huge uptick in different types of hops with different flavor and aroma profiles so smaller craft breweries have been putting out awesome beers.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 28, 2024 07:23 PM (2AW7/)

171 Question for you, are you open to try different craft beers?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 28, 2024 07:19 PM (2AW7/)

Sure, but I only have a beer about once every 6 mos., so not worth the trouble for me.

Posted by: Ronster at September 28, 2024 07:23 PM (+PI4p)

172 I had a chocolate stout a while back but I can’t remember who made it. It was pretty decent.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2024 07:24 PM (3Ope8)

173 I still laugh when I think about trying to buy a glass at a small brewery near Darmstadt. I don't speak any German and they finally understood I wanted the glass. It was 4 color and beautiful: 40 cents.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 28, 2024 07:20 PM (lZVZi)

Ha. I found they were very happy to sell their mugs. Usually about 5 DM.
I also picked up Oktoberfest mugs for every year I was there. But my fav is the Checkpoint Charlie mug. It cool.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 28, 2024 07:24 PM (W/lyH)

174 My son has a handbook for his homebrewing which breaks down the mineral content of the water used in various major brews so he could emulate a particular brand.
Posted by: Divide by Zero

Knowing your water and what you need to do it makes or breaks your homebrew.
Good brewers know their water chemistry and it sounds like your son could be a great brewer.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 28, 2024 07:24 PM (lZVZi)

175 Checkpoint Charlie mug. It cool.
Posted by: Diogenes

Very cool.
I was surprised by the low price; but, I didn't complain!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 28, 2024 07:27 PM (lZVZi)

176 Some good beer is liquid food. I like a good porter or stout but they're an event and take planning. Good example - Stone vanilla smoked porter. Haven't seen it for a long time and used to really enjoy it.

Posted by: TRex at September 28, 2024 07:27 PM (IQ6Gq)

177 172 I had a chocolate stout a while back but I can’t remember who made it. It was pretty decent.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2024 07:24 PM (3Ope

I homebrew occasionally. I have a recipe for a nice breakfast stout. I add oatmeal as part of the grain I'll. 2 different types of chocolate, and I use 2 different types of coffee.

Absolutely wonderful. About 6.5 to 7% abc

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 28, 2024 07:27 PM (2AW7/)

178
I see Shane Gillis is doing the new Bud Light ads. Nice move, but that ship has sailed.

Besides the Zima-fication of the industry I have noticed that Voodoo Ranger is marketing a 19 oz can with a 9.5 abv for somewhere around $2.50.

Bang / buck.

Posted by: Auspex at September 28, 2024 07:28 PM (j4U/Z)

179 Brewed and bottled in South Korea, Hite beer was a tasty lager from a great tiny Asian market next to a mom n pop japanese to go steam table restaurant. All gone now.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 28, 2024 07:28 PM (FISOY)

180 A chocolate stout sounds good. What meal goes best with that?

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 07:29 PM (I1GXe)

181 Lagers add a new level of complexity. Forments at a cooler temperature than ales. For the homebrew, you have to jerryrig a fridge.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 28, 2024 07:30 PM (2AW7/)

182 Not directly beer related, but mugs are available for those touring German Christmas markets too. They serve Gluhwein. They're not specific to a brand. Every market has its own unique mug and some change year to year. They're not expensive and very fun.

Posted by: TRex at September 28, 2024 07:30 PM (IQ6Gq)

183 180 A chocolate stout sounds good. What meal goes best with that?
Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 07:29 PM (I1GXe)

Dessert. A good steak. Pair with something with bold flavors.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 28, 2024 07:31 PM (2AW7/)

184 Beer thread - Woohoo!
(Rinses pint glass and places in freezer)
Beer thread - Woohoo!

Posted by: Joe Kidd at September 28, 2024 07:31 PM (Cbio9)

185 Fond memories of my first Oktober Fest, by the time it was over, I was ready to stay there after my discharge.

The woods were just like home, all maple, oak and beech with just enough pines.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at September 28, 2024 07:31 PM (hKoQL)

186 Beer out of a pilsner glass is the best. You keep the glass at the top rack of the freezer, pour the beer in slowly, just a little foam. Sip, eat, sip, eat, repeat.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 28, 2024 05:43 PM (RKVpM)

One beer glass I did not see: the schooner. Or is that just an alternate name for on of the ones pictured?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 28, 2024 07:33 PM (g0oAz)

187 All major breweries are carefully sited based on water quality

‘Most’ brands for a major corporation can be brewed at ‘most’ of that companies breweries.

BUT there are exceptions for that. Some brands are only brewed at the original site due to the risk of a slightly different taste from a different water source.

Posted by: PMRich at September 28, 2024 07:33 PM (eh5ud)

188 Time to say thank you before the next AoS act takes the stage. Thanks much for being here and contributing to the fun and games. Thanks for reading if you're a lurker or catching up later.

Write anytime. Always interested in hearing about horde hobbies. Also always happy to get together for a beer with the horde. Prost!

Posted by: TRex at September 28, 2024 07:33 PM (IQ6Gq)

189 A chocolate stout sounds good. What meal goes best with that?

I’ve never given much thought to that, but a big ole bacon cheeseburger would be my choice. Gotta have a side of duck fat fries and garlic aioli.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2024 07:34 PM (3Ope8)

190 https://tinyurl.com/3jdep95x
20 Tweets from Bad Blue

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2024 07:34 PM (fwDg9)

191 @178, I use the voodoo ranger bottles for my homebrew. They are good bottles. That beer is too expensive for me but friends save the bottles for me. Those, Sam Adams and Sierra Nevada are great bottles for homebrew.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at September 28, 2024 07:35 PM (UTrUc)

192 Is football a hobby? Because it’s almost kickoff for UGA v. Alabama.

Posted by: Piper at September 28, 2024 07:35 PM (p4NUW)

193 4 Well, there is Arrogant Bastard Ale. Not bad.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 28, 2024 05:39 PM (Q4IgG)

I enjoy it, and readily admit that I am what I drink...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at September 28, 2024 07:35 PM (Cbio9)

194 For the homebrew, you have to jerryrig a fridge.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed

I use a temp controller that the frig or freezer plugs into. You put a sensor in the freezer and set the temp you want on the controller. Then with the freezer set at a low set point you get the temp you want.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 28, 2024 07:36 PM (lZVZi)

195 @194, I use inkbird brand temp controller on my rigged up freezer fermentation chamber.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at September 28, 2024 07:38 PM (UTrUc)

196 CrotchetyOldJarhead, have you found the spray duck fat?

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 07:39 PM (I1GXe)

197 Z Deplorable is a homebrewer. Awesome!!! Anybody else besides us?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 28, 2024 07:39 PM (2AW7/)

198 Admittedly I haven't brewed much in the last year or two I have been on more of a bourbon kick.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 28, 2024 07:40 PM (2AW7/)

199 You think AZ deplorable is good at beer his cheese is to die for.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 07:41 PM (I1GXe)

200 Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 07:39 PM (I1GXe)

Whuuuut!?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 28, 2024 07:41 PM (3Ope8)

201 I met Ken Grossman, founder and owner of Sierra Nevada Brewing Company a couple times. He is a really nice man. Loves his brewery. They covered their roofs with solar panels and capture methane released during the brewing process and use it to power the brewery. They feed a cattle herd, managed by Chico State University Ag kids, spent grains from the brewing process. Then they butcher the cows and serve them in their on site brew pub. The beef is superb. You can tell the cows were happy critters.

It's a great tour if you're ever in Chico Ca. Apparently the brewery in Asheville, NC is also amazing.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2024 07:41 PM (4t1fl)

202 Ben had, where do I get the spray duck fat when in TX?

Posted by: Grateful at September 28, 2024 07:42 PM (IQ6Gq)

203 201 Apparently the brewery in Asheville, NC is also amazing.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 28, 2024 07:41 PM
***
Can confirm. When it was built, apparently the locals called it "Malt Disney."

Posted by: TRex at September 28, 2024 07:42 PM (IQ6Gq)

204 CrotchetyOldJarhead, for real. They make an aerosol duck fat that is outstanding. I use it on baked potatoes, fries and vegetables.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 07:43 PM (I1GXe)

205 9
Beer out of a pilsner glass is the best. You keep the glass at the top rack of the freezer, pour the beer in slowly, just a little foam. Sip, eat, sip, eat, repeat.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 28, 2024 05:43 PM (RKVpM)

Yea, and verily. Thin walls enhance the mouthfeel, IMO. Tried to ship my late father's pilsner glasses to my place. Packed them with mom's Corningware, which was dumb...

Pint glasses were made for Guinness, however.

Posted by: Joe Kidd at September 28, 2024 07:43 PM (Cbio9)

206 Grateful, let me check but I will have some for you when you get here.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 07:44 PM (I1GXe)

207 Good evening. My favorite year-round beer is Cedar Dust IPA from Boundary Bay Brewing in Bellingham, WA. But this Fall I look forward to Widmer Brrr, Great Divide's Hibernation Ale (8.7% abv) and always drinkable Deschutes Obsidian Stout.

Posted by: Rex B at September 28, 2024 07:44 PM (592Pr)

208 Nurse ratched.
Long Trail Brewing in Vermont runs under the same philosophy. Any water returned to the ground is cleaner than it came out. Significant investments in odor control too - not that the beer brewing process stinks.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 28, 2024 07:45 PM (2AW7/)

209 I had a door poster in Germany with a bunch of the local beers on it.
I crossed off about half or so before my time was up.
Mönchshof was my beer of choice though.
Close second was Schlenkerla Smokebeer which we smelled being brewed quite a bit.
I loved being able to jump on a train and find a gasthouse with the local beers on tap.

Posted by: Reforger at September 28, 2024 07:45 PM (xcIvR)

210 Ben Had, thank you so much! You are the best.

Posted by: Grateful at September 28, 2024 07:46 PM (IQ6Gq)

211 Nood.

Thank you all for allowing me to jump into the beer thread. We should have another beer thread again.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 28, 2024 07:48 PM (2AW7/)

212 Good to drink but beer is also great to cook with, A bottle of Guinness in you beans is a must. Brats poached in beer before grilling, oh yeah.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 07:48 PM (I1GXe)

213 MOVIE MARQUE

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2024 07:49 PM (fwDg9)

214 >>Long Trail Brewing in Vermont runs under the same philosophy. Any water returned to the ground is cleaner than it came out. Significant investments in odor control too - not that the beer brewing process stinks.

Only a few miles from my parents old farm.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 28, 2024 07:50 PM (LkLld)

215 "If a wine expert is called a sommelier, what is a beer expert called?"

Bumbleer!

Posted by: Kindltot at September 28, 2024 07:51 PM (D7oie)

216 What I remember more than anything, was that before the Euro, a feller could actually use metallic coinage. A pocketful of DMs, a feller could order a decent dinner at a nice gasthaus, get a couple Hefe's, and maybe a dessert or after dinner drink, and leave a small tip. Under $20 US.

The one German guy would look at me and say "The dollar ... ist too high". Looks like he was correct. He also once said of the Balkans "They don't need NATO, they need TITO" while he simultaneously ground his thumb into his palm. OK, Rudi, whatever you say.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 28, 2024 07:54 PM (iioOY)

217 I make apple cider each year, and can it. This year I had a few gallons I held back because I wanted to drink it, and make some apple cider vinegar. It has sat in the fridge for a while and started to ferment. I had forgotten how much I liked apple cider just as it starts to turn.
I will probably be making more next year.

It is likely I will be needing another fridge for the sauerkraut, kimchi and apple juice soon.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 28, 2024 07:55 PM (D7oie)

218 One beer glass I did not see: the schooner. Or is that just an alternate name for on of the ones pictured?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 28, 2024 07:33 PM (g0oAz)

Roughly the shape of a pilsner, but sturdier construction with a weighted bottom, IIRC..

Posted by: Joe Kidd at September 28, 2024 08:02 PM (Cbio9)

219 Thank you for the Hobby Thread!

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 08:05 PM (I1GXe)

220 For the homebrew, you have to jerryrig a fridge.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed

Top fermenting does not require refrigeration in my experience. But then, we brewed mostly in the spring and fall, so finding a cool corner in the basement was not a problem..

Posted by: Joe Kidd at September 28, 2024 08:08 PM (Cbio9)

221 there are two types of yeasts used for brewing, ales use a top fermenting yeast, and do best warmish, which is the temperature they are served, and there are the lager type that is a bottom fermenting and needs to be kept cold

The DNA from the Lager yeast was researched and found to be a cross with yeasts from Patagonia, where apparently various herbs and possible other materia medica was collected early in exploration, and it popped up in Europe, in the colder areas like Germany. IIRC it was a gall that hosted the wild yeasts, and they have an alcoholic scent, which probably encouraged taking them back to Europe to try them out.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 28, 2024 08:09 PM (D7oie)

222 I like beer.

With that said, late to the thread but heres to those that were too busy drinking beer to visit the thread. I like Heiffeweiisen (sp?) Wheat beers. A good domestic one is difficult to find. They are notorious for a stuck mash. I have not brewed beer but got into winemaking 12 years ago and got pretty good at it, or so my drunk friends tell me. Our largest run was 52 gallons of apple/peary. That year i put 2 5-gallon pails on the front porch overnite. It got down to minus 12. Yummo! Siphoned all the goody good bits and the rest was ice like from a snow cone. My very best was a cherry wine made from Montmorency cherry. The aroma of cherry came up out of the glass as you sipped. Winemaking is pretty simple. Planning a 30 day hillbilly wine this weekend made from Welches grape juice, sugar and yeast. Into a gallon jug with a rag for 10 days then cover with daran wrap for 20. Siphon this off and add a pint of blackberry brandy for my version of MD 20/20!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid exudes Happy Happy Joy Joy at September 28, 2024 09:25 PM (hirWM)

223 Another home brewer here. Mostly do partial mash kit beers and fiddle with the hops or adjuncts to taste. Usually a batch of cream ale or wheat beer for the summer, and some variation on milk stout for the holidays. Just upgraded to a separate banjo burner for better control and less competition with the regular cooking gear.

What I've gotten serious about is hard cider. That started because we bought a place with a couple huge backyard trees. After fiddling with recipes I've got one that's won a couple silver and a bronze medal at the local fair competition. Unfortunately, the apple crop almost completely failed this year (huge crop last year, and I have some of the results aging).

Current consumption: I just finished smoking a brisket and that's getting attacked tomorrow, paired with some of last year's chocolate milk stout and a couple imperials I picked up on a recent road trip.

Posted by: Pat*'s Hubbie at September 28, 2024 11:07 PM (diewX)

224 Aw, this was a very good post. Finding the time and actual effort to produce a great
article… but what can I say… I put things off a whole lot and never manage
to get anything done.

Posted by: JUDI ONLINE at September 29, 2024 04:19 AM (YW0Ch)

225 The walk to the pub was nominal while the return was staggering... or something like that.

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