Wednesday Morning Rant

Framing

In any account of any event, there are always two primary components: the facts, and the framing of those facts. Facts are irrefutable. They are, or they are not. There can be a lie or a misapprehension presented as a fact and thus facts are subject to - in the language of our day - debunking, but it is still a matter of fact as such. It is or it isn't. Facts, though, are only part of the story. Sometimes they aren't even the dominant part. The other part is how those facts are framed.

For any account, it's in the framing that biases, ideologies, agendas, etc. surface. The selection of which facts to include and how to present them is how to lead the reader to the "correct" conclusion about those facts. There was stupendous example of this in Mother Jones yesterday (h/t Gentlemen, this is junta manifest). It's a story of a woman from Georgia who died following an out-of-state abortion.

The facts are fairly straightforward:

Georgia implemented a ban on abortions after six weeks following the Dobbs decision

A woman named Amber Nicole Thurman was at or beyond six weeks pregnant when the ban went into effect (The article asserts that the law took effect on "the very day she passed the six-week mark of her pregnancy," something that is exceedingly difficult to affirmatively determine)

Thurman traveled to North Carolina to obtain an abortion

Thurman was given drugs to terminate her pregnancy

Thurman returned home to Georgia (implied - the story ends in Georgia, so that is where the next events must have occurred)

Thurman suffered complications a couple of days after her trip

Thurman was hospitalized due to pain and bleeding

The afternoon after she was admitted, Thurman went into surgery

Thurman died before, during or after the procedure (implied - Mother Jones describes it as "in the OR," which is non-specific)

Those are facts as presented. There is also speculation presented as fact in the article. The three key pieces of speculation or implication masquerading as facts are present in service of the article's framing:

Thurman terminated her pregnancy relatively late, at more than 20 weeks' gestation (the article asserts that she traveled to NC "where abortions were then allowed past 20 weeks," implying that the abortion was quite late in the term. This is not true, but apparently Mother Jones wants the reader to think it is)
The follow-up emergency procedure would have been faster and more readily provided in North Carolina had "Thurman lived closer"

The surgical procedure is harder to come by in Georgia because of the abortion ban, because doctors could be on the hook for performing an abortion with the procedure.

And with this now laid out, we can see how Mother Jones arrived at its framing for the story.

Abortion bans are bad and deadly and women are now dying because of them, with this story as a prime example of it. Post-abortion surgery was delayed because of the ban (this is asserted, but not demonstrated in the article). This woman died because of the ban. It's an easy frame to build. The conclusion woven throughout the article starting from the first sentence is, essentially, 'if not for Georgia's abortion ban, Thurman would be alive today.' It is, of course, unknowable but the assertion is presented as a meta-fact in the article. It is taken for granted.

Except for those niggling pieces of speculation and implication. Those break the frame if you read carefully and - horror of horrors - engage in thoughtcrime and "do your own research." The first problem is in Mother Jones' manipulative writing. When examining the original article from ProPublica, the timing issue gets cleared up, as does additional context:

Thurman wanted a surgical abortion close to home and held out hope as advocates tried to get the ban paused in court, Baker said. But as her pregnancy progressed to its ninth week, she couldn't wait any longer. She scheduled the D&C in North Carolina, where abortion at that stage was still legal...

So not 20 weeks, but nine. It seems Mother Jones wants you to think that this was later in the term than it was, and manipulated the writing to achieve that outcome. It was nine weeks, not in excess of 20. That's a pretty big difference. The original ProPublica source also sheds light on Mother Jones' assertion of "if only she had lived closer:"

On their drive, they hit standstill traffic, Baker said. The clinic couldn't hold Thurman's spot longer than 15 minutes - it was inundated with women from other states where bans had taken effect. Instead, a clinic employee offered Thurman a two-pill abortion regimen approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, mifepristone and misoprostol. Her pregnancy was well within the standard of care for that treatment.

Setting aside the speculation in the last quote from ProPublica (that the tight scheduling at the facility was due to abortion-related travel from other states) and its opinion given as fact ("well within the standard of care"), this is important context - context Mother Jones chose to omit.

So she made the appointment but hit traffic and could not reschedule. The drug regimen was a "next-best" option handed out in lieu of the preferred treatment. That drug regimen was within FDA guidance - but only sort of. That's a part that both Mother Jones and ProPublica leave out. I'm not a doctor, but the information sheet is easy to read. Thurman was at the outer edge of guidance (nine weeks, when guidance ends at seven weeks from the last menstruation) and, crucially, there are two conditions that apparently were not met for its use:

- Medical facilities equipped to provide blood transfusions, resuscitation, and/or surgical intervention must be available during treatment and follow-up.
- Regimen requires 3 visits with clinician: day 1 mifepristone administration; day 3 misoprostol administration (unless complete abortion confirmed); and day 14 follow-up examination to confirm complete pregnancy termination and to assess severity of any continued bleeding.

According to the facts presented by ProPublica and subsequently denatured and further warped by Mother Jones, neither of these conditions could have been met. Two days later, back home in Atlanta, is when Thurman had complications. If the clinic in North Carolina had reason to suspect that the medical facilities described would not be available - and that is the conclusion that Mother Jones and ProPublica draw, and assert that it is due to Georgia's abortion restriction - then it was probably malpractice to dispense the drugs in the first place. Involving even less speculation, the dosing and follow-up practices could not have been satisfied, either. How could Thurman have three visits with a clinician over 14 days if she wasn't nearby or able to travel on demand? If she could have traveled on demand, why was the original surgical procedure not rescheduled? This is a fairly important problem for the narrative frame presented.

There are other omissions to support the narrative frame. The first is that the law came into effect, as asserted, at Thurman's six-week mark, which was a month after Dobbs. Thurman could have acted sooner. Why didn't she? I don't know, and neither Mother Jones nor ProPublica bother to ask. Another is the hospital. Surgery was undertaken - despite the asserted concerns over legal risk - a day after Thurman was admitted. Was the hospital crowded? Was there an ER backlog? What's the hospital's track record? Are there other factors in the delay - if it was a delay - to the following afternoon that make the presence of the ban irrelevant? I don't know, but these are considerations that present obvious questions for the framing of the stories at Mother Jones and ProPublica.

So we have Mother Jones' and ProPublica's framing of Thurman's death being the fault of an abortion ban. By gathering more context and looking into it further, however, other potential frames emerge. One is that Thurman's death was due to medical malpractice by an incompetent or reckless North Carolina abortionist putting convenience over safety (or "profits over people," if you prefer old-school leftist slogans) and engaging in careless or reckless distribution of drugs. Another is one of poor planning and worse timing combined with bad luck. None of these have been litigated or proven, though any are a conclusion that could easily be drawn from the facts available. Mother Jones, ProPublica and the rest of the political (and politcized) press, however, isn't interested in leading a reader to the "wrong" conclusion.

Mother Jones' and ProPublica's articles aren't about the death of a woman and the orphan she left behind (she had a young son). The articles are about assigning blame for her death. The framing of the stories, as well as the writing style, makes that perfectly clear. The blame is obvious inside that frame: the Enemy Party, which hates women and wants them to die. Maintaining that frame is easy: just don't read too closely and don't consider looking for any kind of further context. Mother Jones is happy to help you with that.

Set aside any lies or implications. Even if everything in every article is true, the articles are still deliberately manipulative. The frame is determined first, then the facts are inserted to support the frame. Facts that don't support the frame are omitted. Context that could lead a reader to question the frame is omitted. Nuance is forbidden. Subtlety is excised.

This is how public opinion is directed and consent is manufactured. This is the purpose of journalism.

Posted by: Joe Mannix at 11:00 AM

Comments

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1 1 again

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2024 11:02 AM (fwDg9)

2 Feebly attempting a first. Where did I land?

Posted by: Doof at September 18, 2024 11:02 AM (RhGG0)

3 Sponge!

Posted by: Boswell at September 18, 2024 11:02 AM (V7158)

4 [O/T & BREAKING: DailyMail headline (unconfirmed)]

"Cops 'find explosives' in car near Trump rally on Long Island after second assassination attempt"

http://tiny.cc/70jmzz

Posted by: ShainS -- The Democrat Party is a Domestic Terrorist Organization at September 18, 2024 11:02 AM (5JBBX)

5 And dutifully called em

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2024 11:02 AM (fwDg9)

6 Wow - 2nd. Imagine if I had not half-assed it!

Posted by: Doof at September 18, 2024 11:02 AM (RhGG0)

7 Set aside any lies or implications. Even if everything in every article is true, the articles are still deliberately manipulative. The frame is determined first, then the facts are inserted to support the frame. Facts that don't support the frame are omitted. Context that could lead a reader to question the frame is omitted. Nuance is forbidden. Subtlety is excised.

Not seeing the problem.

Posted by: J. Goebbels at September 18, 2024 11:04 AM (xCA6C)

8 Wow - 2nd. Imagine if I had not half-assed it!
Posted by: Doof a

You have to believe in the FIRST, you must not equivocate.

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:04 AM (CIS44)

9 Framing
In any account of any event, there are always two primary components: the facts, and the framing of those facts.

Based on all the comments on Ace's shelving, he definitely shouldn't be allowed to do any framing.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 18, 2024 11:05 AM (ycI94)

10 Wow - 2nd. Imagine if I had not half-assed it!
Posted by: Doof a

You have to believe in the FIRST, you must not equivocate.
Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:04 AM (CIS44)

It's because I'm an obtuse newbie, isn't it?

Posted by: Doof at September 18, 2024 11:05 AM (RhGG0)

11 nooded

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 18, 2024 11:05 AM (CEzQx)

12 [O/T & BREAKING: DailyMail headline (unconfirmed)]

"Cops 'find explosives' in car near Trump rally on Long Island after second assassination attempt"

http://tiny.cc/70jmzz
Posted by: ShainS -- The Democrat Party is a Domestic Terrorist Organization at September 18, 2024 11:02 AM (5JBBX)

If confirmed, Trump will have to give up rallies just because they're too dangerous for the rally-goers.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2024 11:06 AM (U7wke)

13 Next you will tell me all sports are rigged. How Dare You!

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 18, 2024 11:06 AM (W3T6M)

14 You have to believe in the FIRST, you must not equivocate.
Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:04 AM (CIS44)

If First! you do not state, you must equivocate!

Posted by: Johnny Cochrane at September 18, 2024 11:06 AM (PiwSw)

15 " The frame is determined first, then the facts are inserted to support the frame. Facts that don't support the frame are omitted. Context that could lead a reader to question the frame is omitted. "

See: Moore, Michael

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 18, 2024 11:07 AM (WPL6O)

16 So, she got the abortion she wanted, and she died because of complications.

And it's because abortions were banned?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:07 AM (GBKbO)

17 Well, at least she had a life and now has a shot of being with her baby in the after-life, something she denied her progeny.

I'm becoming less and less tolerant of the pro-infanticide argument.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 18, 2024 11:07 AM (XV/Pl)

18 What you are saying is that media lies to you in order to persuade you to believe they things they want?

I shant believe it.

Posted by: blaster at September 18, 2024 11:07 AM (xhfG9)

19 Mannix!
*jazzy music plays*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at September 18, 2024 11:08 AM (xcxpd)

20 If confirmed, Trump will have to give up rallies just because they're too dangerous for the rally-goers.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2024 11:06 AM (U7wke)

Been debunked.. No explosives

Posted by: It's me donna at September 18, 2024 11:08 AM (IyPmt)

21 "Cops 'find explosives' in car near Trump rally on Long Island"

If the Democrat-Communists can't get Trump, they'll now start targeting his supporters with car bombs.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at September 18, 2024 11:08 AM (qUkBO)

22 The left has more or less perfected the "framing" of their preferred narratives.

We have not.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2024 11:08 AM (Q4IgG)

23 Eh. This is a local story.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 18, 2024 11:09 AM (v6JzV)

24 They are shameless how they make any story fit their narrative.
I stopped Nat Geo for that exact reason long ago, got to would get a issue and try to guess the first article that would mention Global warming, It got to be a never fail to find one.

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2024 11:09 AM (fwDg9)

25 And with this now laid out, we can see how Mother Jones arrived at its framing for the story.

This is also the model of NPR's "reporting." They tell the sob story of one member of a group, say a Palestinian mother or an illegal immigrant, and without explicitly saying so imply that that individual's experience applies to all members of the group. Every single time. Once you see it you can't unsee it.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 18, 2024 11:09 AM (/y8xj)

26 The actual facts will not matter to the average leftist "SHE DIED DURING ABORTION BECAUSE OF TRUMP" is all they will hear and continue walking into the revolutionary wood chipper.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 18, 2024 11:10 AM (ddxsZ)

27 Also, how the fck do you reconcile "safe, legal and rare" with a 15-minute window? WTF are they running, a surgical center or a MacDonalds?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 18, 2024 11:10 AM (FnneF)

28 The frame is determined first, then the facts are inserted to support the frame. Facts that don't support the frame are omitted. Context that could lead a reader to question the frame is omitted.

**Joseph Pulitzer and William Randolph Hearst have entered the chat**

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 18, 2024 11:10 AM (Q0kLU)

29 This shows the danger of the abortion drugs... And I believe you can get them through the mail ?

Posted by: It's me donna at September 18, 2024 11:10 AM (IyPmt)

30 It's because I'm an obtuse newbie, isn't it?
Posted by: Doof a

That must be it!

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:11 AM (CIS44)

31 So, the pills killed her, not the laws.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 18, 2024 11:11 AM (w0LFt)

32 I do not have any empathy or sympathy for this woman. She ended two lives with her actions. I have sympathy for the unborn child. The Big Guy decided which elevator she had to take.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at September 18, 2024 11:11 AM (C26rB)

33 Maybe it was just a pager.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at September 18, 2024 11:11 AM (qUkBO)

34 So Mother Jones' article is disinformation. According to Hildebeast Clinton, there should be civil and/or criminal penalties for this.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 18, 2024 11:11 AM (N39Ws)

35 Well, at least she had a life and now has a shot of being with her baby in the after-life, something she denied her progeny.

I'm becoming less and less tolerant of the pro-infanticide argument.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

Innocent fetus on Stairway to Heaven.
Mom on Highway to Hell.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at September 18, 2024 11:11 AM (XTEnH)

36 If she had just carried the baby to term, she probably would still be alive today. As would the baby.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 18, 2024 11:11 AM (v6JzV)

37 The left has more or less perfected the "framing" of their preferred narratives.

We have not.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2024 11:08 AM (Q4IgG)

It's almost like there's a whole media / entertainment industry willing to help them with said framing.

Posted by: Doof at September 18, 2024 11:11 AM (RhGG0)

38 I don't read Mother Jones.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 18, 2024 11:11 AM (pohLc)

39 Been debunked.. No explosives
Posted by: It's me donna at

Yep unless they're concealing it.

My Q is wtf is Trump doing wasting time in NY?

He needs to be in the swing states.

Posted by: It's happening at September 18, 2024 11:12 AM (JKuOo)

40 forty-two!

Posted by: deep thought at September 18, 2024 11:12 AM (sGtp+)

41 32 I do not have any empathy or sympathy for this woman. She ended two lives with her actions. I have sympathy for the unborn child. The Big Guy decided which elevator she had to take.
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at September 18, 2024 11:11 AM (C26rB)

+1

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at September 18, 2024 11:12 AM (xcxpd)

42 This shows the danger of the abortion drugs... And I believe you can get them through the mail ?
Posted by: It's me donna at September 18, 2024 11:10 AM (IyPmt)

Mail, concerts, random vans at DNC conventions.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2024 11:12 AM (U7wke)

43 My Q is wtf is Trump doing wasting time in NY?

He needs to be in the swing states.
Posted by: It's happening at September 18, 2024 11:12 AM (JKuOo)

Mine too

Posted by: It's me donna at September 18, 2024 11:12 AM (IyPmt)

44 Our Leftist intellectual betters:

1.) She died due to getting an abortion.

2.) Abortion is safer than carrying the baby to term.

3.) We do not understand how basic logic works.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at September 18, 2024 11:13 AM (HlyYF)

45 Yahoo News: US woman died after abortion law delayed urgent medical care. A Georgia woman died from delayed life-saving surgery caused by the US state's restrictive abortion law, ProPublica revealed on Monday, sparking outrage from reproductive rights groups. Amber Nicole Thurman, 28, experienced a rare complication after taking abortion pills and died during a critical procedure in what ProPublica said was the first abortion-related death officially deemed "preventable" .

Make sure everyone you know sees this. It's disgusting but everyone needs to know what Trump did.

When this happened in Ireland, the whole country was outraged, and the law was changed. Here, "pro-life” assholes will say she should have kept her legs closed. I hope her family has good lawyers. The state committed wrongful death. Why mince words - murder.

they'll call it fake news. Like they do whenever something awful happens from abortion bans. It's more convenient than learning the facts about what these bans do.

It's MAGAts' Project 2025 wet dream...banning contraceptives as well as abortion. See how well that turned out: google "Ceausescu" and "orphans."

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 18, 2024 11:13 AM (ycI94)

46 My Q is wtf is Trump doing wasting time in NY?

He needs to be in the swing states.
Posted by: It's happening a

Helping down ballot house races.

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:13 AM (CIS44)

47 I believe nurse ratched has mentioned that she has never encountered a case in which the life of the mother was genuinely at risk.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 18, 2024 11:13 AM (FnneF)

48 I am a little confused by this one- though I am positive the facts are different than the story. I thought the pro publica article said she was at 20 weeks, so way past time for a the pill abortion. But was given that anyway. She went home, was bleeding heavily, went to the ER where she was being treated, needed a D & C. The hospital was going to give her the D & C but waited too long to get it scheduled, not that they weren’t going to do it because they were concerned for legal reasons. Which is garbage, and that is the issue, not the abortion ban. Your facts seem more specific, so probably closer to truth.

Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 11:13 AM (p4NUW)

49 So Mother Jones' article is disinformation. According to Hildebeast Clinton, there should be civil and/or criminal penalties for this.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 18, 2024 11:11 AM (N39Ws)

If they used AI to help write it, it's illegal in Cali today.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2024 11:13 AM (U7wke)

50 Posted by: Pillage Idiot

Do you have an apprentice?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 18, 2024 11:13 AM (v6JzV)

51 How is Mother Jones still in business? Haven't heard of that publication in years. Does some sugar daddy, private equity, or hedge fund own this crappy pub?

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at September 18, 2024 11:14 AM (C26rB)

52 So now walkie-talkies are blowing up in Lebanon? If true this awesome. Leftist heads are soon to follow.

Posted by: Ripley at September 18, 2024 11:15 AM (GUOwU)

53 45 Yahoo News: US woman died after abortion law delayed urgent medical care. A Georgia woman died from delayed life-saving surgery caused by the US state's restrictive abortion law, ProPublica revealed on Monday, sparking outrage from reproductive rights groups. Amber Nicole Thurman, 28, experienced a rare complication after taking abortion pills and died during a critical procedure in what ProPublica said was the first abortion-related death officially deemed "preventable" .

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought

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Wouldn't have happened if she hadn't gotten an abortion to begin with.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:15 AM (GBKbO)

54 My Q is wtf is Trump doing wasting time in NY?

Helping down-ballot candidates? Showing the people of NY who support him that he supports them back? Forcing the Dems to have assassins in multiple places because he moves around so much?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2024 11:15 AM (U7wke)

55 Now two-way radios are exploding in Lebanon, including several at Hezbollah funerals.

As with the pagers, we will discover that all the radios belonged to doctors, infants, and pregnant women.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 18, 2024 11:15 AM (uxCna)

56 She missed her appointment due to traffic??!! OMG. If the abortion was so important to her, why not go the night before and stay in a hotel? And as an aside, it is amazing that the very idea of taking the pregnancy to term and giving the baby up for adoption wasn't ever a consideration. SMMFH

The future is going to look back on a culture that militantly insists on killing the unborn for convenience, and they're going to see us as contemptible sociopaths.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at September 18, 2024 11:16 AM (m0WlR)

57
then it was probably malpractice to dispense the drugs in the first place

My conclusion right off the bat. Plan B is a dangerous drug with possible deadly consequences to the ~~mother~~ person it is administered to.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 18, 2024 11:16 AM (RKVpM)

58 Commie retards are citing *Ceausescu* wrt muhbortion? or ANY of their BS issues???

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 18, 2024 11:16 AM (FnneF)

59 Also, GA has a life of the mother exception, so the framing that doctors didn’t want to violate the 6 weeks law is suspect. It sounds like she was too far along for the pill, suffered the consequences, and the hospital didn’t schedule the surgery quickly enough.

Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 11:16 AM (p4NUW)

60 47 I believe nurse ratched has mentioned that she has never encountered a case in which the life of the mother was genuinely at risk.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 18, 2024 11:13 AM (FnneF)

Supporting info from LiveAction:

https://youtu.be/5TmomK2RB2A

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at September 18, 2024 11:16 AM (PiwSw)

61 Excellent analysis, Joe Mannix.

I wonder how much this factored into it:

Thurman wanted a surgical abortion close to home and held out hope as advocates tried to get the ban paused in court, . . .

Seems she was working with lawyers and activists, whose top priority may not have been her health? Were they trying to force the issue in Georgia when complications arose precisely because it was illegal?

The sad fact is that her complications and death *help* the people who want to overturn Georgia abortion law. Was she put in a risky situation to demonstrate Georgia law was bad -- and then she died because of it?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2024 11:17 AM (Pijte)

62 So much drama about this incident, when the thousands of women who have died at the hands of SAFE and LEGAL abortions remain memory-holed. To say nothing of the tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands since 1973 that have been maimed and mutilated and rendered incapable of carrying a pregnancy to term.
My boss lived a few blocks away from the infamous Kermit Gosnell clinic. He didn't have the first clue about what that monster did. My boss is a millenial.

Posted by: kallisto at September 18, 2024 11:17 AM (dCxaZ)

63 the thing in LI has not really yet been debunked

I'd hang on with that decision

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 18, 2024 11:17 AM (s3qiR)

64 Today I learn that "journalists" are really propagandists.

Yesterday, I learned that Doof is a direct descendant of Charley Chase, or was it Chase and Sanborn?

Anyway, this place is most excellently educational.

Posted by: Lots To Learn at September 18, 2024 11:17 AM (CV8a5)

65 My conclusion right off the bat. Plan B is a dangerous drug with possible deadly consequences to the ~~mother~~ person it is administered to.
Posted by: Divide by Zero

We appreciate your trans-inclusive language. See, it's not so hard to be progressive!

Posted by: Dylan Mulvaney at September 18, 2024 11:17 AM (ycI94)

66 I believe nurse ratched has mentioned that she has never encountered a case in which the life of the mother was genuinely at risk.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 18, 2024 11:13 AM (FnneF)

The Officer Tatum once stated that in his time on the police force he never saw a legit claim of sexual assault.

Which is not to say they never happened, just that all the ones reported were fake.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2024 11:18 AM (U7wke)

67 How is Mother Jones still in business? Haven't heard of that publication in years. Does some sugar daddy, private equity, or hedge fund own this crappy pub?

It's a nonprofit that Laurene Powell Jobs contributes to.

All the left-wing media outlets have a billionaires sugar daddy or mommy behind them.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 18, 2024 11:18 AM (uxCna)

68 > How is Mother Jones still in business?
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I bet like all the other leftist outfits... donors. Actual readership or circulation for some of these joints is probably in single digits... but they've got a narrative to push. So the money flows.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2024 11:19 AM (Q4IgG)

69 Is it safe for Hezballah to switch pigeons and owls for communication?

Posted by: Goatweed at September 18, 2024 11:19 AM (KRyeA)

70 >>She missed her appointment due to traffic??!! OMG. If the abortion was so important to her, why not go the night before and stay in a hotel?

THIS

That twice her poor planning caused issues.
The first incident was having unprotected sex.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2024 11:19 AM (Pijte)

71 Make sure everyone you know sees this. It's disgusting but everyone needs to know what Trump did.

**************

Fuck off baby killer

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Esteemed Trump Ho And Yearner for Zooey Deschanel's Bosom at September 18, 2024 11:19 AM (M7vhK)

72
Sometimes the clump of cells fights back.

Posted by: Frank Barone at September 18, 2024 11:19 AM (+oR7L)

73 on topic, this story is just sad all around

hospitals are so garbage now, btw

at least around here - the drop in quality and cleanliness since 2021 has been ASTOUNDING

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 18, 2024 11:19 AM (s3qiR)

74 How is Mother Jones still in business? Haven't heard of that publication in years. Does some sugar daddy, private equity, or hedge fund own this crappy pub?
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at September 18, 2024 11:14 AM (C26rB)

I'm sure my SIL has 10-15 subscriptions.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2024 11:19 AM (U7wke)

75 My Q is wtf is Trump doing wasting time in NY?

He needs to be in the swing states.
Posted by: It's happening at September 18, 2024 11:12 AM (JKuOo)

well, it does make it look like he wants to represent ALL the people...and, it makes news

Posted by: zigggggy at September 18, 2024 11:20 AM (K5Rdg)

76 @47

>>I believe nurse ratched has mentioned that she has never encountered a case in which the life of the mother was genuinely at risk.

It's rare and it typically revels itself during the 1st trimester.

Again, I will allow exceptions for life of the mother and perhaps rape, but you got to have a police report and or a rapists conviction and that's about it.

A civilized and moral society does not allow it's progeny to be slaughtered in utero, period.

If you don't want a baby...

1. Don't bump nasty.
2. Carry it to term

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 18, 2024 11:20 AM (XV/Pl)

77 And in today's "for your interest" news, I got a notice from the "Christian Post" which is a site I sometimes go on and it is conservative, although commentators do write in who think
Maga voters worship Donald Trump, or that Christianity should embrace all left wing political POV. Anyway, the article header talks about a seminary student from TX, I think, who believes that there should be no Bible related subjects in public schoo and that this l is a violation of the separation of church and state. I will take a wild guess without having read the article and guess the seminary student is a "progressive" and-unlike the conservative posters on ASHQ- didn't know that the phrase "Separation of Church and state" is not a phrase found in the Consitution and it relates to having no official state church as in some other countries.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 18, 2024 11:21 AM (dTTBf)

78 Been debunked.. No explosives
Posted by: It's me donna

To late, the damage is done with one planted rumor.

Mission accomplished by suggesting it's to dangerous/life threatening for rally goers.

Posted by: old chick at September 18, 2024 11:21 AM (vmzTg)

79 1.) She died due to getting an abortion.
2.) Abortion is safer than carrying the baby to term.
3.) We do not understand how basic logic works.
4.) YOU'VE GOT TO EAT THE BABIES.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 18, 2024 11:21 AM (roSd3)

80 Say what you will, Bibi has style:

Man with phone : “Netanyahu, did you know that they’re now comparing you to James Bond?”

Netanyahu: “Nonsense. It’s Netanyahu; Benjamin Netanyahu”

He then put on a pair of dark sunglasses.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 18, 2024 11:21 AM (uxCna)

81 Today I learn that "journalists" are really propagandists.

Yesterday, I learned that Doof is a direct descendant of Charley Chase, or was it Chase and Sanborn?

Anyway, this place is most excellently educational.
Posted by: Lots To Learn at September 18, 2024 11:17 AM (CV8a5)

Chevy Chase. I just call him Uncle Fletch.
Ok, I made that up.

It was Samuel Chase. And no so much a direct descendant, but a distant cousin.

Posted by: Doof at September 18, 2024 11:21 AM (RhGG0)

82 She had a legally allowed abortion, using legally allowed abortion drugs, and died from complications caused by those drugs.
But somehow, she died because abortion was restricted.

Sure.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 18, 2024 11:21 AM (4XwPj)

83 4.) YOU'VE GOT TO EAT THE BABIES.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism

This guy gets it.
-- Zombie Jonathan Swift

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 18, 2024 11:22 AM (v6JzV)

84 >>> Those are facts as presented. There is also speculation presented as fact in the article. The three key pieces of speculation or implication masquerading as facts are present in service of the article's framing:

According to the new Newsome rules in CA, that Mother Jones article can't be shared on social media in CA, as it has disinformation.

Am I getting this right? Ha.

Posted by: State's right post Civil War at September 18, 2024 11:22 AM (p7QC1)

85 Abortions are significant medical procedures. Despite what the left wants you to think, it's not the same as popping a zit. There are ALWAYS risks in any medical procedure.

I'm sure the number of women dying every year from complications from abortion procedures is MUCH higher than the left admits. I'm sure it's in the thousands if not higher. The only reason we are hearing about this Amber Nicole Thurman idiot now is because the left thinks it helps their narrative. I think it shows the opposite: how risky later-term abortions are.

Oh: I don't believe one single word of the Amber Nicole Thurman story other than that she died from an abortion.

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 18, 2024 11:22 AM (iFTx/)

86 69 Is it safe for Hezballah to switch pigeons and owls for communication?
Posted by: Goatweed

Absolutely! (Begins planning MK Ultra/The Birds crossover, or updated US bat bomb program)

Posted by: Mossad at September 18, 2024 11:22 AM (ycI94)

87 82 She had a legally allowed abortion, using legally allowed abortion drugs, and died from complications caused by those drugs.
But somehow, she died because abortion was restricted.

Sure.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 18, 2024 11:21 AM (4XwPj)

=======

Which is why there is no discussion of details. It's just #TrumpsAbortionBan on twitter with her picture.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:22 AM (GBKbO)

88 @47

Let's try this again...

>>I believe nurse ratched has mentioned that she has never encountered a case in which the life of the mother was genuinely at risk.

It's rare and it typically revels itself during the 1st trimester.

Again, I will allow exceptions for life of the mother and perhaps rape, but you got to have a police report and or a rapists conviction and that's about it.

A civilized and moral society does not allow it's progeny to be slaughtered in utero, period.

If you don't want a baby...

1. Don't bump nasty.
2. Carry it to term and give it up for adoption.

That's it, those are your options.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 18, 2024 11:22 AM (XV/Pl)

89 I am a little confused by this one- though I am positive the facts are different than the story. I thought the pro publica article said she was at 20 weeks, so way past time for a the pill abortion. But was given that anyway. She went home, was bleeding heavily, went to the ER where she was being treated, needed a D & C. The hospital was going to give her the D & C but waited too long to get it scheduled, not that they weren’t going to do it because they were concerned for legal reasons. Which is garbage, and that is the issue, not the abortion ban. Your facts seem more specific, so probably closer to truth.
Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 11:13 AM (p4NUW)
+++++
Right. The framing is that the D&C was delayed over the hospital's fear that they would be prosecuted for performing it. That is not backed by evidence in the slightest. It's an assertion. She *did* get (or was going to get) the procedure. Why the wait? No idea, but plenty of options from normal to delays due to patient volume to apparent safety at the time and "fear of the law" is utterly unsubstantiated as a cause of any delay that may have occurred.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2024 11:23 AM (HnUIn)

90 It was Samuel Chase. And no so much a direct descendant, but a distant cousin.
Posted by: Doof

Wonder if he was a relative of Salmon Chase, Lincoln's first Treas. Sec. and CJ of SCOTUS.

*runs off to Wiki*

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 18, 2024 11:24 AM (v6JzV)

91 What is a D&C?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 18, 2024 11:24 AM (v6JzV)

92 Seems she was working with lawyers and activists, whose top priority may not have been her health? Were they trying to force the issue in Georgia when complications arose precisely because it was illegal?

The sad fact is that her complications and death *help* the people who want to overturn Georgia abortion law. Was she put in a risky situation to demonstrate Georgia law was bad -- and then she died because of it?
Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2024 11:17 AM (Pijte)
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Another very real possibility. That she was a pawn in a game that was willing to gamble with her life.

The possibilities *other* than Mother Jones' preferred possibility sure have a habit of piling up...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2024 11:24 AM (HnUIn)

93 Which is garbage, and that is the issue, not the abortion ban. Your facts seem more specific, so probably closer to truth.
Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 11:13 AM (p4NUW)

The claim that a hospital will deny or delay emergency surgery for pregnancy/abortion complications due to legal concerns is scare fodder for the masses.
This has been refuted again and again after the overturning of Dobbs.
Unfortunately, this does not mean that a specific hospital might deliver sub-standard care.

Posted by: sal at September 18, 2024 11:25 AM (f+FmA)

94 All the left-wing media outlets have a billionaires sugar daddy or mommy behind them.

But that's nothing new. All journals of opinion have a wealthy individual or organization behind them - they've never made money.

I recall that Microsoft bought some influential left-wing political blog years ago, and Bill Gates was shocked that it couldn't get it to be profitable.

You own these journals for influence - not for money.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 18, 2024 11:25 AM (uxCna)

95 91 What is a D&C?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 18, 2024 11:24 AM (v6JzV)

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Medical procedure to remove organic tissue in a uterus.

Can happen after miscarriages when the uterus doesn't expel everything.

The left has made it a boogeyman pocket case where doctors will be afraid to do them because it could be considered an abortion. Except, it would only be such if one is committing fraud.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:25 AM (GBKbO)

96 91 What is a D&C?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 18, 2024 11:24 AM (v6JzV)

Dilate and curettage: A procedure where the cervical canal and uterine lining are scraped with a spoon-shaped instrument to remove abnormal tissues

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 18, 2024 11:25 AM (N39Ws)

97 Again, I will allow exceptions for life of the mother and perhaps rape, but you got to have a police report and or a rapists conviction and that's about it.

Some prominent pro-life group or person should very publicly offer to pay full travel and medical expenses for any woman who is pregnant as a result of a rape as long as she has filed a police report and named the suspect if she knows. I'd bet they never have to pay out a dime.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 18, 2024 11:25 AM (/y8xj)

98 >My Q is wtf is Trump doing wasting time in NY?

>He needs to be in the swing states.

It is a swing state, if the votes are counted fairly.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 18, 2024 11:25 AM (cf/0E)

99 I am a little confused by this one- though I am positive the facts are different than the story. I thought the pro publica article said she was at 20 weeks, so way past time for a the pill abortion. But was given that anyway. She went home, was bleeding heavily, went to the ER where she was being treated, needed a D & C. The hospital was going to give her the D & C but waited too long to get it scheduled, not that they weren’t going to do it because they were concerned for legal reasons. Which is garbage, and that is the issue, not the abortion ban. Your facts seem more specific, so probably closer to truth.
Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 11:13 AM (p4NUW)
+++++
Right. The framing is that the D&C was delayed over the hospital's fear that they would be prosecuted for performing it. That is not backed by evidence in the slightest. I
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2024 11:23 AM
_____

See my comment above: I don't believe a single word of this story. If anything, this looks like gross negligence on the part of the "doctors," the hospital, and probably her too. The "abortion ban" had ZERO to do with any of this.

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 18, 2024 11:26 AM (iFTx/)

100 91 What is a D&C?

essentially a procedure where the uterus is scraped clean - can be used for abortion, for post-miscarriage (to avoid complications) or most often for conditions like PCOS.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 18, 2024 11:26 AM (s3qiR)

101 Harris said, “I am a gun owner, and Tim Walz is a gun owner, and we’re not trying to take anyone’s guns away from them, but we do need an ‘assault weapons’ ban.” It appears that such a ban — if it were actually a ban — would take AR-15- and AK-47-style rifles away from the law-abiding Americans who currently own them, instead using them to kill unborn babies.

Posted by: SMOD at September 18, 2024 11:26 AM (RHGPo)

102 What is a D&C?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 18, 2024 11:24 AM (v6JzV)
++++
From the article:

Complications from abortion pills are rare, but sometimes patients require a procedure called dilation and curettage, or D&C, to remove remaining fetal tissue from the uterus that could lead to life-threatening sepsis.

D&C can be done *as* an abortion, but is apparently also sometimes necessary following a failed pharmaceutical abortion, which is what appears to have happened here.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2024 11:27 AM (HnUIn)

103 20
‘ Been debunked.. No explosives’
Actually debunked or democrat ‘
debunked’?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 18, 2024 11:27 AM (jbnUc)

104 Is it safe for Hezballah to switch pigeons and owls for communication?
Posted by: Goatweed at September 18, 2024 11:19 AM (KRyeA)

I just saw a pigeon put on a headband with the Japanese flag.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 18, 2024 11:27 AM (cf/0E)

105 101 Harris said, “I am a gun owner, and Tim Walz is a gun owner, and we’re not trying to take anyone’s guns away from them, but we do need an ‘assault weapons’ ban.” It appears that such a ban — if it were actually a ban — would take AR-15- and AK-47-style rifles away from the law-abiding Americans who currently own them, instead using them to kill unborn babies.
Posted by: SMOD at September 18, 2024 11:26 AM (RHGPo)

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"We're not trying to take away anyone's guns except the most popular long rifle in America. That doesn't count."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:27 AM (GBKbO)

106 Gee, if you can't trust Mother Jones who CAN you trust?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 18, 2024 11:27 AM (63Dwl)

107 Is it safe for Hezballah to switch pigeons and owls for communication?
-
Hell, no, we don't want to die for their cause

Posted by: Pigeons and owls at September 18, 2024 11:27 AM (Dnobf)

108
A procedure where the cervical canal and uterine lining are scraped with a spoon-shaped instrument to remove abnormal tissues

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 18, 2024 11:25 AM

:: sets spoon down and pushes bowl of soup away ::

Thanks.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 18, 2024 11:27 AM (RKVpM)

109 Facts are irrefutable.
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"We choose truth over facts." - Joe Biden

'Truth' you see, for Democrats, is malleable.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 18, 2024 11:27 AM (XeU6L)

110 103 20
‘ Been debunked.. No explosives’
Actually debunked or democrat ‘
debunked’?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 18, 2024 11:27 AM (jbnUc)

=====

Local police have said the report is false.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:27 AM (GBKbO)

111 106 Gee, if you can't trust Mother Jones who CAN you trust?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 18, 2024 11:27 AM (63Dwl

"Mother" Jones.. ironic considering the story

Posted by: It's me donna at September 18, 2024 11:27 AM (IyPmt)

112
Well, now, who are you going to believe?

A nice, struggling, Single Mother like Mother Jones,

or a damn, dirty Poker Ape?

*cackles*

*drinks box wine*

*takes bong hit*

*falls on face*

*unburdens her bowels*

Posted by: Coconut Harris at September 18, 2024 11:27 AM (eDfFs)

113 @91

>>What is a D&C?

A Dilation and curettage procedure, they changed the verbiage from Dilatation and Extraction because the word extraction leads to too many uncomfortable questions.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 18, 2024 11:28 AM (XV/Pl)

114 I just saw a pigeon put on a headband with the Japanese flag.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 18, 2024 11:27 AM (cf/0E)
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Ridonkulous!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 18, 2024 11:28 AM (VdhcA)

115 "We're not trying to take away anyone's guns except the most popular long rifle in America. That doesn't count."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Only weapons of war that Tim Walz carried in battle.

/s

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:28 AM (CIS44)

116 >>She had a legally allowed abortion, using legally allowed abortion drugs, and died from complications caused by those drugs.
But somehow, she died because abortion was restricted.

Yeah, you'd think there might be some detail on whether this is a typical side effect, was she warned, is the drug putting women at risk (is it a problematic drug that should not be on the market?)?

I love how when it comes to abortion, all normal protections afforded women are suspended.
Gosnell was the perfect case - don't routinely inspect his facility, don't question the training of his "nurses" administering anesthesia, don't investigate weird patient deaths, the man is doing abortions!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2024 11:29 AM (Pijte)

117 See my comment above: I don't believe a single word of this story. If anything, this looks like gross negligence on the part of the "doctors," the hospital, and probably her too. The "abortion ban" had ZERO to do with any of this.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 18, 2024 11:26 AM (iFTx/)
++++
If I had to stand up in front of a panel and argue a cause, the evidence as I understand it would put the primary blame on the abortion clinic. She was scheduled for a procedure, missed the appointment, and so they handed her pills and sent her home without the possibility of appropriate follow-up checks.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2024 11:29 AM (HnUIn)

118 Shock presidential poll reveals a major weakness for Kamala Harris that could decide the race

A stunning new survey finds that Vice President Kamala Harris is tanking with a key voting bloc she will likely need to turn around soon if she wants to beat former President Donald Trump.

When it comes to crucial independent voters, both candidates are below 50 percent, but a new Gallup survey finds that just 35% of independents view the vice president favorably, while 60% view her unfavorably.

That puts her 25 points underwater with the very voters she needs to sway.

https://tinyurl.com/td3ev59y

Posted by: Archimedes at September 18, 2024 11:29 AM (xCA6C)

119 What's the origin of the coconut nic for the veep?

Posted by: Doof at September 18, 2024 11:29 AM (RhGG0)

120 And related to abortion from a local house in leftist central NJ; "Rowe! Rowe! Rowe! your vote" because the main thing that matters to life and voting is keeping Rowe v. Wade even though abortion is in no danger of going away in NJ.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 18, 2024 11:29 AM (dTTBf)

121 Just think, a fiddy cent condom would have avoided all of this drama.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at September 18, 2024 11:30 AM (Aoykm)

122 What is a D&C?

A Dilation and curettage procedure, they changed the verbiage from Dilatation and Extraction because the word extraction leads to too many uncomfortable questions.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 18, 2024 11:28 AM (XV/Pl)
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Interesting how the pro-infanticide always has to reframe the topic to avoid answering awkward questions...

"Women's Health"
"Reproductive Freedom"
"Pro-Choice"

They never say "Baby Murder" because it makes them look bad.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 18, 2024 11:30 AM (7fElN)

123
MOTHER jones.

The irony is thick.

Posted by: Frank Barone at September 18, 2024 11:30 AM (+oR7L)

124 >>> 105 101 Harris said, “I am a gun owner, and Tim Walz is a gun owner, and we’re not trying to take anyone’s guns away from them, but we do need an ‘assault weapons’ ban.” It appears that such a ban — if it were actually a ban — would take AR-15- and AK-47-style rifles away from the law-abiding Americans who currently own them, instead using them to kill unborn babies.
Posted by: SMOD at September 18, 2024 11:26 AM (RHGPo)

======

"We're not trying to take away anyone's guns except the most popular long rifle in America. That doesn't count."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:27 AM (GBKbO)

I want someone to ask that dumb twat what guns she owns. Sekrit Cervix and/or other private security doesn't count.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 18, 2024 11:30 AM (FnneF)

125 What is a D&C?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 18, 2024 11:24 AM (v6JzV)

Twenty bucks, same as in the back alley.

I denounce myself and will see myself out.

Posted by: Doof at September 18, 2024 11:30 AM (RhGG0)

126 Excellent analysis, Mannix.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Democrat Party is a Domestic Terrorist Organization at September 18, 2024 11:30 AM (5JBBX)

127 What's the origin of the coconut nic for the veep?
Posted by: Doof at September 18, 2024 11:29 AM (RhGG0)
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Brown on the outside, white on the inside.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 18, 2024 11:30 AM (VdhcA)

128 What's the origin of the coconut nic for the veep?
Posted by: Doof

Some made up story she claims her mom told her about she didnt just fall out of coconut tree.

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:31 AM (CIS44)

129 I find it interesting this is couched as a Trump issue and not an issue where states voted and passed legislation- like in a precious democracy.

I say the hospital w1 negligent, they didn’t schedule the surgery in time and it was not because of legal fears.

Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 11:31 AM (p4NUW)

130 If you don't want a baby...

1. Don't bump nasty.
2. Carry it to term and give it up for adoption.

Modern feminism is based on “women must precisely emulate Democrat creeps like Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton to have the same power and influence they had”. That’s why they defend abortion so fiercely.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 18, 2024 11:31 AM (3cXfB)

131 It doesn't matter what the facts about this case are. All that matters is if GA has a stupid/spineless RINO governor and AG who will cave to the "demonrat/abortion as sacrament lobby"
pressure, that's all that matters.

Posted by: kallisto at September 18, 2024 11:31 AM (dCxaZ)

132 Yeah, you'd think there might be some detail on whether this is a typical side effect, was she warned, is the drug putting women at risk (is it a problematic drug that should not be on the market?)? ...
Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2024 11:29 AM (Pijte)
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Why, no. That would not be conducive to maintaining the preferred frame. One should never expect information that could lead the reader off the reservation.

But these are known potential side effects, and almost certainly one of the reasons for the documented guidance that this be clinically administered on a firm schedule with emergency services immediately available and available throughout the two-week period of the prescribed clinical course.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2024 11:31 AM (HnUIn)

133 Just think, a fiddy cent condom would have avoided all of this drama.
Posted by: Jak Sucio

50cent?! Did you get aces time machine and head back to 1978?

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:31 AM (CIS44)

134 Chuck Callesto @ChuckCallesto 2h
BREAKING REPORT: 60,000 people have requested tickets to Trump's rally tonight in New York..
MEDIA HATES THIS..
Can Trump FLIP New York?

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 18, 2024 11:31 AM (CEzQx)

135 Also, I really *hope* there was no attempted car bombing of a rando because if there was, well...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 18, 2024 11:32 AM (FnneF)

136
And related to abortion from a local house in leftist central NJ; "Rowe! Rowe! Rowe! your vote" because the main thing that matters to life and voting is keeping Rowe v. Wade even though abortion is in no danger of going away in NJ.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 18, 2024 11:29 AM

That's strange, because it was Roe v Wade court case. Maybe the candidates name is actually Rowe. We all know, with the except of someone who you've murdered, that your typing is flawless.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 18, 2024 11:32 AM (RKVpM)

137 Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:31 AM (CIS44)

I knew someone would find out.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at September 18, 2024 11:33 AM (Aoykm)

138
Second wave of attack on Hezbollah.

Now walkie talkies are exploding on Hezbollah members.

Ha Ha.

Posted by: Frank Barone at September 18, 2024 11:33 AM (+oR7L)

139 Now you know why Father Jones ran away.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 18, 2024 11:33 AM (63Dwl)

140 By their own logic, if the woman lived in a remote part of North Carolina, the same conclusion could have happened.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 18, 2024 11:33 AM (tbZVi)

141 D&Cs aren’t always for abortions, if you weren’t already aware.

Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 11:33 AM (p4NUW)

142 What is a D&C?

A Dilation and ~~curettage~~ cut it out procedure, they changed the verbiage from Dilatation and Extraction because the word extraction leads to too many uncomfortable questions.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

Changed it back. F them.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at September 18, 2024 11:33 AM (XTEnH)

143 17
‘ I'm becoming less and less tolerant of the pro-infanticide argument.’

I’d go half a step further: Implied in the article is that we as a country owe women safe and affordable abortions without we having the right to limit or challenge unrestricted abortions.
That is far from the case. It has been a long time since I owed anything to prochoice democrats.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 18, 2024 11:34 AM (jbnUc)

144 Only weapons of war that Tim Walz carried in battle.

Hence the joke that Trump has run away from as much gunfire as Walz even though only Walz signed up for it.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 18, 2024 11:34 AM (3cXfB)

145
The irony is thick.
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 18, 2024 11:30 AM (+oR7L)

As is the assumption that the actual historical figure of "Mother Jones" who died in 1930 at about 99 years of age and supported unionization and workers' right would of course support every crazy left wing view.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 18, 2024 11:35 AM (dTTBf)

146 Now walkie talkies are exploding on Hezbollah members.

Ha Ha.
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 18, 2024 11:33 AM (+oR7L)
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Please say they're exploding in time to Pomp And Circumstance March #1.

Lie if you must.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 18, 2024 11:35 AM (VdhcA)

147 Tim Walz is a gun owner
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I hope he is getting laid.

According to James Carville "... white men who “can’t get laid” and have more access to guns are responsible for the assassination attempts against former President Donald Trump.

We should keep an eye on Walz.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 18, 2024 11:35 AM (XeU6L)

148 D&Cs aren’t always for abortions, if you weren’t already aware.
Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 11:33 AM (p4NUW)
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Can be, but there are other reasons including cleaning up after a miscarriage.

That's the point of the articles' emphasis on it. They want the reader to conclude, "the procedure is not necessarily abortion has been chilled to the point that doctors fear it because of the law." They don't support that conclusion, but they lead the reader directly to it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2024 11:35 AM (HnUIn)

149 DC_Draino @DC_Draino 16m
UPDATE: Apparently the explosives found at the Trump rally were being used to help train a bomb sniffing dog and are not a threat

Nassau County Police Commissioner says:
“Reports of explosives being found at the site are unfounded. There is a person who is being questioned who may have been training a bomb detection dog near the site," said Commissioner of Police Patrick Ryder.

DC_Draino @DC_Draino 9m
Why are they questioning someone who brought explosives to help train a bomb dog?

Wouldn’t they know who is doing bomb detection?

This is strange

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 18, 2024 11:36 AM (CEzQx)

150 What's the origin of the coconut nic for the veep?
Posted by: Doof at September 18, 2024 11:29 AM (RhGG0)

Harris recounted a saying of her mom's, which was "Did you just fall out of a coconut tree?"

Which for some weird reason her followers took up as a slogan and Kamala Kult identifier with coconuts pix in the texts and emails, with the New Yorker even going so far as running a cover with the word, "Coconut!" in big bold letters over a cartoon of Harris sitting on a giant coconut.

So, if her voters want to be so "meme blind" as to call Devi Harris a "coconut".

I think we should go along with it.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 18, 2024 11:36 AM (eDfFs)

151 Darren J. Beattie 🌐 @DarrenJBeattie 9m
If you look into historically suspicious events, you'll see a pattern in which there is some kind of training exercise or drill whose subject matter almost exactly overlaps with the real life thing that allegedly happens

This allows for plausible deniability when feds are caught---it was just confusion from the exercise

I'm not saying that this is what's happened here, but its interesting to point out this pattern.

DC_Draino @DC_Draino 6m
Guys - read this

This Nassau bomb threat situation smells fishy

Why would they be “questioning the individual” who planted bomb devices to “help train the dog”?

Wouldn’t they know who was doing bomb detection?

Seems like a strange time to do “dog training”, right?

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 18, 2024 11:36 AM (CEzQx)

152 one can never be responsible for the consequences of one's own action

Posted by: brak at September 18, 2024 11:36 AM (25k9m)

153 No idea, but plenty of options from normal to delays due to patient volume to apparent safety at the time and "fear of the law" is utterly unsubstantiated as a cause of any delay that may have occurred.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

I could see "fear of the law" being cited by an abortion-enthusiast doctor in such a case. Or, y'know, in a case where that doctor decided that malpractice would be useful to make an example of someone who is against abortion.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 18, 2024 11:36 AM (hB7mE)

154 My guess is she lied about how far along she was

Posted by: It's me donna at September 18, 2024 11:36 AM (IyPmt)

155 Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 18, 2024 11:32 AM (RKVpM)

My error as to the spelling of the court case, but it's not to do with a specific candidate-just a plea to vote for all Democrat candidates, I'm guessing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 18, 2024 11:36 AM (dTTBf)

156 Question that doesn't need answering: Where was Thurman's husband in all of this?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 18, 2024 11:37 AM (WPL6O)

157 Pulling out is a proven birth control method.

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 18, 2024 11:37 AM (W3T6M)

158 When it comes to crucial independent voters, both candidates are below 50 percent, but a new Gallup survey finds that just 35% of independents view the vice president favorably, while 60% view her unfavorably.

That puts her 25 points underwater with the very voters she needs to sway.

25 points underwater with independents, but "winning" national polls by 4-10%? Science!

Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 18, 2024 11:38 AM (ycI94)

159 >>Why, no. That would not be conducive to maintaining the preferred frame. One should never expect information that could lead the reader off the reservation.

Heh, yeah, was a bit sarcastic.
The MSM silos. When it's against their cause, they are all about holding Big Pharma accountable. When it's for their cause, it's Trust the Drug!

Exit question: Anyone seen or heard from PETA in Ohio? ASPCA? Humane Society?*cues up Sarah MacLaughlin song*

Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2024 11:38 AM (Pijte)

160 Pulling out is a proven birth control method.
Posted by: Pudinhead

*The rhythm method has entered the chat*

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:38 AM (CIS44)

161 What was the general health of the dead one before death?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 18, 2024 11:38 AM (JZocw)

162 Bravo, Mr. Mannix.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 18, 2024 11:39 AM (4vOW/)

163 What's the origin of the coconut nic for the veep?

She told some cockamamie story about her mother saying something like "you didn't fall out of the coconut tree" and some lefty magazine thought it was clever and made a big deal about it. Others have speculated about the possible racism/classism implications of coconut trees for dot Indians.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 18, 2024 11:39 AM (/y8xj)

164 148 That's the point of the articles' emphasis on it. They want the reader to conclude, "the procedure is not necessarily abortion has been chilled to the point that doctors fear it because of the law." They don't support that conclusion, but they lead the reader directly to it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September

Right, and they conveniently leave out the exceptions to this law that completely contradict their narrative.

Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 11:39 AM (p4NUW)

165 "Hi, before I take these, are there any possible complications or things I must be concerned about? What's the follow-up process?" - Things a person might ask before taking a secondary route while receiving an abortion two states from home.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 18, 2024 11:40 AM (KbCG3)

166 So, if her voters want to be so "meme blind" as to call Devi Harris a "coconut".

I think we should go along with it.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 18, 2024 11:36 AM (eDfFs)

It's perfect for them -- if we call her a coconut, we're racist, but if they do it, it's endearing.

Posted by: Doof at September 18, 2024 11:40 AM (RhGG0)

167 Harris supporters who call her coconut are doing ti out of respect for her and her single mother.

Whereas a Trump supporter calling her coconut is stratight up racist.

Posted by: blaster at September 18, 2024 11:40 AM (xhfG9)

168 @160

>>*The rhythm method has entered the chat*

Rhythm Is a Dancer you know?
It's a soul's companion some would say.

--
Snap!

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 18, 2024 11:40 AM (XV/Pl)

169 *The rhythm method has entered the chat*
Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:38 AM (CIS44)
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I got rhythm
I got music
I got my gal
Who can ask for anything more?

Posted by: Zombie Ira Gershwin at September 18, 2024 11:40 AM (VdhcA)

170 Horde mind

Posted by: blaster at September 18, 2024 11:40 AM (xhfG9)

171 I believe she was pregnant with twins ? Did the abortion clinic know this ? Did they have her medical history or did they just hand out the pills like candy ?

Posted by: It's me donna at September 18, 2024 11:40 AM (IyPmt)

172 >>Question that doesn't need answering: Where was Thurman's husband in all of this?

And who was taking care of her cats?

More seriously: The Left is craven with these sob stories used to get unlimited abortion. Never forget that they sued the US government on behalf of two illegal alien minors who crossed the border and then demanded free abortions.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2024 11:41 AM (Pijte)

173 *The rhythm method has entered the chat*
Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:38 AM (CIS44)

You asked for it!
https://youtu.be/Ies3DkRbe-Q

Posted by: Doof at September 18, 2024 11:41 AM (RhGG0)

174 UPDATE: Apparently the explosives found at the Trump rally were being used to help train a bomb sniffing dog and are not a threat
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The same way all the people were dressed the same as Maxwell Yearick on the roof in Butler.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Power without responsibility destroys society at September 18, 2024 11:42 AM (d+Q1U)

175 Kammy is proud of Diddy's support.

Kamala Harris
@KamalaHarris
Thank you, @Diddy, for hosting this town hall last night. There's a lot at stake for our communities right now and it's critical we bring to the forefront how coronavirus is perpetuating racial inequality and health disparities.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 18, 2024 11:42 AM (L/fGl)

176 167 Harris supporters who call her coconut are doing ti out of respect for her and her single mother.

Whereas a Trump supporter calling her coconut is stratight up racist.
Posted by: blaster

Dems who called Bush "Chimpy McHitler"= stunning and brave
Republicans that called Obama "chimpy"= racist troglodytes

Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 18, 2024 11:42 AM (ycI94)

177 165 "Hi, before I take these, are there any possible complications or things I must be concerned about? What's the follow-up process?" - Things a person might ask before taking a secondary route while receiving an abortion two states from home.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September

They share a border, depending on the route taken. Technically.

Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 11:42 AM (p4NUW)

178 It’s almost as if the MSM lies all the time or something.

Posted by: News Update at September 18, 2024 11:42 AM (Y/tQ+)

179
I doubt the production-line abortionists are from the Harvard Medical School end of the spectrum.

Or even if they're doctors at all.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 18, 2024 11:42 AM (1gUuO)

180
You put the line
In the coconut
You shake it all up

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Power without responsibility destroys society at September 18, 2024 11:43 AM (d+Q1U)

181 148 That's the point of the articles' emphasis on it. They want the reader to conclude, "the procedure is not necessarily abortion has been chilled to the point that doctors fear it because of the law." They don't support that conclusion, but they lead the reader directly to it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2024 11:35 AM (HnUIn)

=======

It's an existing thread in the pro-abortion rhetoric, mostly from anonymous doctors and nurses who say, "I fear for my job when trying to help a woman with a miscarriage because Republicans will come into the OR and shoot me."

This is just finally getting a real world example. Kind of. If you ignore some facts. And make up some others.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:43 AM (GBKbO)

182 D&C can be used for miscarriages as well. I think anyway.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at September 18, 2024 11:43 AM (7PziG)

183 D&Cs aren’t always for abortions, if you weren’t already aware.
Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 11:33 AM (p4NUW)

My wife suffered several miscarriages and had to have one every time.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2024 11:43 AM (U7wke)

184 I doubt the production-line abortionists are from the Harvard Medical School end of the spectrum.

Or even if they're doctors at all.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 18, 2024 11:42 AM (1gUuO)

In CA you don't have to be

Posted by: It's me donna at September 18, 2024 11:43 AM (IyPmt)

185 *The rhythm method has entered the chat*

Well, we're all kind of off-beat here so...

Posted by: Oddbob at September 18, 2024 11:43 AM (/y8xj)

186 174 UPDATE: Apparently the explosives found at the Trump rally were being used to help train a bomb sniffing dog and are not a threat
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The same way all the people were dressed the same as Maxwell Yearick on the roof in Butler.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: The same thing with Hunter's coke baggie we found in the White House. Totally training material.

Posted by: US Secret Service at September 18, 2024 11:43 AM (ycI94)

187 and perhaps rape, but you got to have a police report and or a rapists conviction and that's about it

1.) Given the glacial speed the "system" moves at, the kid would be born before it went to trial.

2.) Also, killing the unborn for the sins of the father...yeah. You really don't want me going all off on that.

Posted by: Brother Tim learned to stop quibbling and love the Protestant Reformation at September 18, 2024 11:43 AM (OUMaO)

188 @156

>>Question that doesn't need answering: Where was Thurman's husband in all of this?

Thurman was black, and being that roughly 80pct of black children are born to single mothers, dad is probably either in prison or doing something else he finds more productive.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 18, 2024 11:43 AM (XV/Pl)

189 Question that doesn't need answering: Where was Thurman's husband in all of this?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 18, 2024 11:37 AM

Husband?

Posted by: Julia at September 18, 2024 11:43 AM (ZANHd)

190 >>UPDATE: Apparently the explosives found at the Trump rally were being used to help train a bomb sniffing dog and are not a threat

Um, what? Is this from today?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2024 11:44 AM (Pijte)

191 158 25 points underwater with independents, but "winning" national polls by 4-10%? Science!
Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 18, 2024 11:38 AM (ycI94)

========

If you assume Gallup is close to right, it calls into question so many assumptions pollsters make about the electorate.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:44 AM (GBKbO)

192 If you look into historically suspicious events, you'll see a pattern in which there is some kind of training exercise or drill whose subject matter almost exactly overlaps with the real life thing that allegedly happens

In 1999, there were several apartment bombings in Russia, with heavy loss of life.

This was blamed on the Chechens, to generate support for cracking down on the Chechens.

After the bombings, some suspicious apartment residents caught the Russian secret police putting explosives into their apartment building.

The secret police explained that this was a "training exercise", and the explosives weren't real.

Uh, huh.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 18, 2024 11:44 AM (uxCna)

193 186 174 UPDATE: Apparently the explosives found at the Trump rally were being used to help train a bomb sniffing dog and are not a threat

I'm sorry, this is total BS

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 18, 2024 11:44 AM (s3qiR)

194
*The rhythm method has entered the chat*

There's a name for a couple who practice the rhythm method... parents.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 18, 2024 11:45 AM (RKVpM)

195 You put the line
In the coconut
You shake it all up
Posted by: Boron Cobbie

Sounds like my kinda coconut!!!!

Posted by: Hunter Biden at September 18, 2024 11:45 AM (ycI94)

196 Excellent step by step illustration of journalism/reporting today.
Pare that with the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect and we have Soviet style news being fed to NPC brains.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 18, 2024 11:45 AM (PS4T+)

197 My Q is wtf is Trump doing wasting time in NY?

He needs to be in the swing states.

Posted by: It's happening at September 18, 2024 11:12 AM (JKuOo)
==
He has been and will continue to be, and the polling in them looks better and better - hence the reason the dems are panicking and making absolutely heinous statements about Trump in the aftermath of the most recent assassination attempt. But this is a relatively conservative part of NY, and I'm hoping his presence can move some House seats on the edge.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 18, 2024 11:45 AM (GZYu7)

198 There’s an even more straightforward answer to this charge:

Nothing in the Georgia law prevented her from having a D&C when she arrived at the ER.

Period. The end.

Complications from a legal abortion is what ultimately killed her.

She’s not alone. Abortion pills have killed numerous women in the past.

Posted by: Lauren at September 18, 2024 11:45 AM (Cy2kp)

199 192 If you look into historically suspicious events, you'll see a pattern in which there is some kind of training exercise or drill whose subject matter almost exactly overlaps with the real life thing that allegedly happens

I know people who train dogs for this, and you dont need actual working bombs for it - which these apparently were. there were also quite a few which is pretty strange.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 18, 2024 11:45 AM (s3qiR)

200 117
‘ She was scheduled for a procedure, missed the appointment, and so they handed her pills and sent her home without the possibility of appropriate follow-up checks.’

Yes. Shouldn’t the life of the mother be taken into account when that decision is made?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 18, 2024 11:46 AM (jbnUc)

201 (quite a few in a single car)

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 18, 2024 11:46 AM (s3qiR)

202 No matter the policy be it abortion, taxes, immigration, whatever, there will always be an anomaly where an individual is fucked over. You can’t legislate anything perfectly without it impacting someone, Somewhere negatively.

But the left is great at taking that one in a thousand edge case and making it seem like the norm.

Posted by: News Update at September 18, 2024 11:46 AM (Y/tQ+)

203 If you have uterine cancer or have unusual looking, potentially cancerous cells in your uterus, a D&C can remove them so the woman's life is saved. Also can do for PCOS or abnormally heavy periods to try and reduce the lining buildup. As stated, many reasons to have the surgery that has little to do with an actual child.

But as I recall in Texas, the libs fought so doctors that performed abortions didn't have to have hospital admitting privileges. D&C is a real surgery. If there's complications, that woman had better hope her doctor has admitting privileges so she can get into surgery ASAP.

Libs are so incensed about the legal part of "safe, legal, and rare" that the other two are mere afterthoughts. But there callousness in caring about the other two is what turned me staunchly pro life.

Posted by: State's right post Civil War at September 18, 2024 11:46 AM (jgTac)

204 Vote or Die!

Also, there may be a third option...

Posted by: P Diddle at September 18, 2024 11:46 AM (pIfcn)

205 194
*The rhythm method has entered the chat*
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Boom cha ka la ka, Boom cha ka la ka, Boom

Posted by: Braenyard at September 18, 2024 11:46 AM (PS4T+)

206 So, if her voters want to be so "meme blind" as to call Devi Harris a "coconut".

I think we should go along with it.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 18, 2024 11:36 AM (eDfFs)

It's perfect for them -- if we call her a coconut, we're racist, but if they do it, it's endearing.

Posted by: Doof at September 18, 2024 11:40 AM (RhGG0)

Except....it didn't work out that way.

About 5 seconds after Coconut Harris appeared on the New Yorker mag,

the Left dropped the Coconut jazz cuz the implications finally hit them with people using it to mock Harris.

Weirdly, it was the Kamala Kokonut Kult of Karens that really pushed the tin-eared coconut meme, so I think we should help them out.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 18, 2024 11:47 AM (eDfFs)

207 Joe Walsh knows who's to blame.

Joe Walsh@WalshFreedom
This isn’t easy to write, but it needs to be written.
The sad truth is this: It’s not at all surprising that someone would try to kill him. I mean, think about it. Every day for 9yrs, he’s spewed hate, spread division, and incited violence like no other. Every day. Ever since he came down that escalator. Every day, he’s attacked this person or that person, this group or that group. In cruel, ugly ways. Every day for 9yrs he’s been hating on people and inciting violence against people. Remember earlier this year, when he actually shared a meme of a hogtied, kidnapped Joe Biden?
He’s been like a juvenile delinquent who has thrown a firecracker into a crowd of people every day. Eventually, someone is going to go after that boy.
Political violence must be strongly condemned. Always. It’s wrong that someone would try to kill him. Terribly wrong. But it’s not surprising. Not at all. It really isn’t. He has been the country’s megaphone for hate.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 18, 2024 11:47 AM (L/fGl)

208 Imagine that women getting to the Pearly Gates and her baby is standing there with Jesus.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Power without responsibility destroys society at September 18, 2024 11:47 AM (d+Q1U)

209 Murderess sustains fatal injuries while killing baby.

Fuck her. Hell awaits.

Posted by: My Anti-Condolences at September 18, 2024 11:47 AM (NehaE)

210 “Doing Your Own Research”

When the Intertubes was young, had an assignment in a mandatory writing class at university.

Under discussion, was a story called “The Balloon Man”. For reasons known only to the TA, we were supposed to come to the conclusion that the guy selling balloons at the circus was pedophile. Maybe that was what the author wanted, I dunno.

I really wasn’t feeling it, and fired up the search engine and discovered the author was a lunatic suicidal freak. Well I included that factoid in my paper and the TA didn’t like that. At all.

On the old BBS discussion boards, a liberal claimed I really shouldn’t read Margaret Sanger in her own words, that some book would explain what she really meant.

Uh-huh

Posted by: Common Tater at September 18, 2024 11:47 AM (w7r5P)

211 D&Cs aren’t always for abortions, if you weren’t already aware.
Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 11:33 AM (p4NUW)

My wife had more than one. Sometimes pregnancies terminate themselves.

And then you need a procedure to clean things out. It's heartbreaking and harrowing to go through.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2024 11:47 AM (dGCAG)

212 *The rhythm method has entered the chat*
Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:38 AM (CIS44)

You asked for it!
https://youtu.be/Ies3DkRbe-Q
Posted by: Doof

I would have gone with Ian Dury but I'll allow it.

https://t.ly/hJy3M

Posted by: Tonypete at September 18, 2024 11:48 AM (WXNFJ)

213 Joe Walsh knows who's to blame.

Joe Walsh@WalshFreedom

just play Funk #49 and stfu

Posted by: brak at September 18, 2024 11:48 AM (25k9m)

214 Terribly wrong. But it’s not surprising. Not at all. It really isn’t. He has been the country’s megaphone for hate.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 18, 2024 11:47 AM (L/fGl)

Everything this POS said is what he and his ilk have done to Trump since 2015

Posted by: It's me donna at September 18, 2024 11:48 AM (IyPmt)

215 And then you need a procedure to clean things out. It's heartbreaking and harrowing to go through.
yes this is why I had them (we had IF issues) and while harrowing it will speed up the next cycle so you can try again

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 18, 2024 11:49 AM (s3qiR)

216
But the left is great at taking that one in a thousand edge case and making it seem like the norm.
Posted by: News Update at September 18, 2024 11:46 AM (Y/tQ+)

_________

But if you're murdered by an illegal, that's a one-off and can't be used to generalize.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 18, 2024 11:49 AM (1gUuO)

217 See my comment above: I don't believe a single word of this story. If anything, this looks like gross negligence on the part of the "doctors," the hospital, and probably her too. The "abortion ban" had ZERO to do with any of this.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 18, 2024 11:26 AM (iFTx/)
++++
If I had to stand up in front of a panel and argue a cause, the evidence as I understand it would put the primary blame on the abortion clinic. She was scheduled for a procedure, missed the appointment, and so they handed her pills and sent her home without the possibility of appropriate follow-up checks.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 18, 2024 11:29 AM (HnUIn)
_____

The abortion was so important she traveled to another state for it. Then she . . . missed the appointment. Yea, it looks like we're dealing with a real rocket scientist here. I'll bet there is much more to this story than we are being told.

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 18, 2024 11:49 AM (iFTx/)

218 But on a campaign related thing which caused me to laugh. Someone near the church has a "Harris/Walz sign" on their front lawn. It came first followed by about six Trump signs on the lawn of the house next to it. I guess they really wanted to get their point across. LOL. I hope the neighbors don't come to physical blows.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 18, 2024 11:49 AM (dTTBf)

219 On the old BBS discussion boards, a liberal claimed I really shouldn’t read Margaret Sanger in her own words, that some book would explain what she really meant.

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It would be hard to sum up liberals better than this.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Power without responsibility destroys society at September 18, 2024 11:49 AM (d+Q1U)

220 Wouldn't have happened if she hadn't gotten an abortion to begin with.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:15 AM (GBKbO)

And probably wouldn't have happened if she had gone for an abortion as soon as she suspected that she was knocked up.

And certainly wouldn't have happened if she had kept her legs together.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 18, 2024 11:49 AM (mdmVQ)

221 Been debunked.. No explosives
Posted by: It's me donna at September 18, 2024 11:08 AM (IyPmt)

Turns out it was just some guy selling pagers out of his car's trunk.

Posted by: spindrift at September 18, 2024 11:49 AM (OguvZ)

222 Imagine if mifepristone and misoprostol were sold over the counter at Tractor Supply Co.

The same people who sneered at MAGA folks for taking "horse dewormer" during COVID would be flocking to Tractor Supply to get their pregnancy ending horse paste.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 18, 2024 11:49 AM (991eG)

223 The sad truth is this: It’s not at all surprising that someone would try to kill him. I mean, think about it. Every day for 9yrs, he’s spewed hate, spread division, and incited violence like no other. Every day.

They really do intend to kill him before the election, and they're going to be increasingly unconcerned with deniability when they do it.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 18, 2024 11:50 AM (uxCna)

224 LOL.

Rancid Talapia says the beeper explosions against hezbolla is disgusting. Xcrement users respond with "Some beepers did some things."

LMMFAO

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 18, 2024 11:50 AM (iThHq)

225 Pair

Posted by: Braenyard at September 18, 2024 11:50 AM (PS4T+)

226 Joe Walsh knows who's to blame.

Joe Walsh@WalshFreedom

just play Funk #49 and stfu
Posted by: brak at September 18, 2024 11:48 AM (25k9m)
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He's just a knucklehead.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at September 18, 2024 11:50 AM (VdhcA)

227 UPDATE: Apparently the explosives found at the Trump rally were being used to help train a bomb sniffing dog and are not a threat
****
Who thought it was a good idea to train a bomb sniffing dog near a Trump rally? Something smells.

Posted by: Megthered at September 18, 2024 11:50 AM (VihIQ)

228 I remember being astonished, mostly because it was obvious that regardless of the issue, their chief concern on any issue,

Was preventing anyone from drawing their own conclusions. Humans can be manipulated into choices, usually by framing everything as “Either/Or”.

There are no shades in between in a totalitarian ideology. “Here are your choices. Pick one”.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 18, 2024 11:50 AM (w7r5P)

229 ...flocking to Tractor Supply to get their pregnancy ending horse paste.

*******

Bunch of neigh-sayers.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 18, 2024 11:50 AM (991eG)

230 They really do intend to kill him before the election, and they're going to be increasingly unconcerned with deniability when they do it.

it seems that way.

Emerald Robinson posted yesterday that all PDJT needs to do to win is stay alive.

God be with him, and us.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 18, 2024 11:51 AM (s3qiR)

231 I dont know if this was said. Did she take both pills at once after the clinic gave them to her?

Posted by: morigu at September 18, 2024 11:51 AM (A9jg5)

232 It would be hard to sum up liberals better than this.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Power without responsibility destroys society at September 18, 2024 11:49 AM (d+Q1U

Substitute Marx, the Koran, Senate Appropriations Bills.....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 18, 2024 11:51 AM (4vOW/)

233 >>No matter the policy be it abortion, taxes, immigration, whatever, there will always be an anomaly where an individual is fucked over. You can’t legislate anything perfectly without it impacting someone, Somewhere negatively.

But the left is great at taking that one in a thousand edge case and making it seem like the norm.
- - - -
THIS

But there were also some poor decisions on her part. We all do that, not being judgemental, just question overturning law because one person made a series of poor choices that led to tragedy. Systems that create a lot of risk need to be fixed (I'm thinking the clinic she went to should not be allowing patients to leave the state after taking those drugs), but yeah, sometimes people get tripped up by poor choices. It sucks. It doesn't justify abolishing that Georgia law.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2024 11:51 AM (Pijte)

234 Pa mail in ballot requests 50 days before election : 2020 D+ 725k 2024 D+ 477K. That's basically R+250k and the raw number of R requests is basically even.

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:51 AM (CIS44)

235 Post

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Scott Rasmussen
@ScottWRasmussen
28% of Democrats say America would have been better off if
@RealDonaldTrump
had been assassinated. Another 24% are not sure.
Fewer than half (48%) of Democrats could bring themselves to say that America would not be better off if the opposing party's candidate had been assassinated.
Additionally, 51% of Democrats oppose increasing former President Trump's security detail.

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So killing Trump is a winning issue for them.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 18, 2024 11:52 AM (L/fGl)

236
Trump eats dogs!!!1!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 18, 2024 11:52 AM (1gUuO)

237 On their drive, they hit standstill traffic, Baker said. The clinic couldn't hold Thurman's spot longer than 15 minutes - it was inundated with women from other states where bans had taken effect.

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Also this is absurd.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Power without responsibility destroys society at September 18, 2024 11:52 AM (d+Q1U)

238 Should we replace "woman" with "aborting person"?

Asking for Satan.

Posted by: Eeyore at September 18, 2024 11:52 AM (1bNHn)

239 And then you need a procedure to clean things out. It's heartbreaking and harrowing to go through.
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yes this is why I had them (we had IF issues) and while harrowing it will speed up the next cycle so you can try again
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 18, 2024 11:49 AM (s3qiR)

This was my first, late wife, and I remember them using words when discussing it that were very difficult to hear.

I don't remember if they used the word "abort" or some variant, but it most certainly was not an abortion.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2024 11:52 AM (dGCAG)

240 The prize for winning the "we had sex" event is having a baby.

It's bizarre that so many women are confused by this.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Power without responsibility destroys society at September 18, 2024 11:53 AM (d+Q1U)

241 Per the literature, in the context of an abortion, a D&C is before 14 weeks and a D&E is past 14 weeks.

More than likely Ms Thurman lied to the emergency room Drs and did not tell them of her attempted and botched abortion, and being that the left has f**ked everything up, they probably attempted a D&C when a D&E was called for and requried.

Again, this is just me spit balling this monstrosity.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 18, 2024 11:53 AM (XV/Pl)

242 Statistically the woman here was likely to be obese, which would increase chances of complications, which her doctor should have advised her on, instead of just handing out pills because she "missed an appointment"

Posted by: brak at September 18, 2024 11:53 AM (25k9m)

243
The last time I checked the tabs at Rasmussen Trump was +11 with Independents.

As to Trump in New York, he might be doing it to drive up the lefts costs, as now they might have to print more ballots and pay the ballot stuffers to do their dirty work.

"Do damage" is something I learned in my college business classes.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 18, 2024 11:53 AM (RKVpM)

244 234 Pa mail in ballot requests 50 days before election : 2020 D+ 725k 2024 D+ 477K. That's basically R+250k and the raw number of R requests is basically even.
Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:51 AM (CIS44)

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Plus, the PA Supreme Court decision requiring good dates on ballots, plus signatures (including matching), plus the audit of the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants with drivers licenses to make sure they aren't registered to vote (they auto-register).

Maybe Shapiro and the PA Democrat Party really is trying to tank Kamala.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:53 AM (GBKbO)

245 I did not know this happened in 2022. Wow. These people are ghouls.

Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 11:54 AM (p4NUW)

246 >>> Harris recounted a saying of her mom's, which was "Did you just fall out of a coconut tree?"
Which for some weird reason her followers took up as a slogan and Kamala Kult identifier with coconuts pix in the texts and emails

Her mom is the highest caste in India, so the phrase has classist, elitist connotations the left refuses to touch. But they would have if Nikki Haley or Vivek had said it.

Ben n Jerry's made a coconut ice cream flavor in her honor with a caramel swirl. Nowadays, using food terms to describe a BIPOC person's skin (mocha, honey, caramel) is the height of privilege and racism! So by the left's logic, the company should be condemned and cancelled for including caramel. But of course as good little liberals they won't be.

Posted by: State's right post Civil War at September 18, 2024 11:54 AM (jgTac)

247 You asked for it!
https://youtu.be/Ies3DkRbe-Q
Posted by: Doof

I would have gone with Ian Dury but I'll allow it.

https://t.ly/hJy3M
Posted by: Tonypete at September 18, 2024 11:48 AM (WXNFJ)

Despite my applause for your semi-obscure refence to being hit with a rhythm stick, I must say that ANY chance to link to the late great Neil Peart is one I will take every time!

Posted by: Doof at September 18, 2024 11:54 AM (RhGG0)

248 242 Statistically the woman here was likely to be obese, which would increase chances of complications, which her doctor should have advised her on, instead of just handing out pills because she "missed an appointment"
Posted by: brak at September 18, 2024 11:53 AM (25k9m)

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She's not. There are pictures of her.

If she's overweight, it's not by much.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:54 AM (GBKbO)

249 >>Was preventing anyone from drawing their own conclusions. Humans can be manipulated into choices, usually by framing everything as “Either/Or”.

There are no shades in between in a totalitarian ideology. “Here are your choices. Pick one”.
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This guy gets it - nudge, nudge, nuuuuuuuudge!!

Posted by: Cass Sunstein at September 18, 2024 11:54 AM (Pijte)

250 Who thought it was a good idea to train a bomb sniffing dog near a Trump rally? Something smells.
Posted by: Megthered at September 18, 2024 11:50 AM (VihIQ)p/i]

Probably the same people who thought that another attempted assassination attempt would push him higher in a supposedly "safe" state.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 18, 2024 11:54 AM (D7oie)

251 Oh and one more thing: this woman died in 2022. Yes, two years ago. Yet we are only hearing about it now. Funny that.

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 18, 2024 11:55 AM (iFTx/)

252 Random Thought.
A brilliant bit of peaceful resistance. If someone could come up with fake pagers and get a million people to send them to congress.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 18, 2024 11:55 AM (W/lyH)

253 207
Thanks for giving that faggot extra attention.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 18, 2024 11:55 AM (jbnUc)

254 Pa mail in ballot requests 50 days before election : 2020 D+ 725k 2024 D+ 477K. That's basically R+250k and the raw number of R requests is basically even.
Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:51 AM (CIS44)

lol. You guys are so cute.

Posted by: PA Vote Counters at September 18, 2024 11:55 AM (Y/tQ+)

255 Also, GA has a life of the mother exception, so the framing that doctors didn’t want to violate the 6 weeks law is suspect. It sounds like she was too far along for the pill, suffered the consequences, and the hospital didn’t schedule the surgery quickly enough.

Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 11:16 AM (p4NUW)
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I'm finding that many hospital systems - pissed off that they can no longer perform abortions at the same rate as today - are taking positions on medical necessity that are clearly in direct conflict with the statutes passed by the state, so as to create political gotcha points. They are putting the life of their patients at risk, deliberately. The administrations of these hospitals, and their attorneys can all burn in hell. If that Georgia hospital paused to make a point, I hope this lady's family sues them beyond their liability insurance, not to mention the abortionist practice in NC that looks to have violated the proper use of the medication prescribed. I've just had an employee run into that problem.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 18, 2024 11:55 AM (GZYu7)

256 Joe Walsh knows who's to blame.

Joe Walsh@WalshFreedom
This isn’t easy to write, but it needs to be written.
The sad truth is this: It’s not at all surprising that someone would try to kill him. I mean, think about it. Every day for 9yrs, he’s spewed hate, spread division, and incited violence like no other. Every day.

Hey Joe. 🖕🏻

Donald Trump is a genuine threat to this Nation. He is a threat to our freedom. He’s a threat to our democracy. He’s literally a threat to everything America stands for.
---Joe Biden

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at September 18, 2024 11:55 AM (XTEnH)

257 251 Oh and one more thing: this woman died in 2022. Yes, two years ago. Yet we are only hearing about it now. Funny that.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 18, 2024 11:55 AM (iFTx/)

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Why isn't Ferguson rioting? Is it because they only care about dead black men and not dead black women?

Antifa should go and make sure that they're committed to racial justice.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:55 AM (GBKbO)

258 Last time I drove into NC from SC on I-85 I saw a billboard right across the state line basically saying come to NC to kill your baby.

Maybe they need to add some fine print.

Posted by: screaming in digital at September 18, 2024 11:56 AM (iZbyp)

259 Plus, the PA Supreme Court decision requiring good dates on ballots, plus signatures (including matching), plus the audit of the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants with drivers licenses to make sure they aren't registered to vote (they auto-register).

Maybe Shapiro and the PA Democrat Party really is trying to tank Kamala.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

Definitely following on from the registrations trends from a few weeks ago there.

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:56 AM (CIS44)

260 She's not. There are pictures of her.

you're right, I did not see the second link

Posted by: brak at September 18, 2024 11:56 AM (25k9m)

261 Well I was surprised that anyone would try to censor facts.

I had this very naive belief that pretty much everyone could be persuaded to a mutually beneficial compromise, perhaps, or even win over minds using Facts, Logic, and Reason.

Now in hindsight, there must be some truth to that, because these ideas are now Verboten with the New Academe. That’s pretty weird

Posted by: Common Tater at September 18, 2024 11:56 AM (w7r5P)

262 So killing Trump is a winning issue for them.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 18, 2024 11:52 AM (L/fGl)

"Killing Trump"? Somewhere an awakened Bill O'Reilly shouts: "Who has disturbed my eternal slumber!!!"

Posted by: Boswell at September 18, 2024 11:56 AM (V7158)

263 The odd part about the abort issue is that wealthy leftists could easily establish a fund without state or Fed involvement which could pay for every abortion that occurs yearly in the US. They don't do it because the want the issue. Pp

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 18, 2024 11:57 AM (ddxsZ)

264
Maybe they need to add some fine print.
Posted by: screaming in digital at September 18, 2024 11:56 AM (iZbyp)

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Be on time

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 18, 2024 11:57 AM (1gUuO)

265 Did Mother Jones cite the mortality rate of women undergoing second trimester abortions?

...and compare it to the mortality rate of fetuses subjected to second trimester abortions.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 18, 2024 11:57 AM (991eG)

266 244 234 Pa mail in ballot requests 50 days before election : 2020 D+ 725k 2024 D+ 477K. That's basically R+250k and the raw number of R requests is basically even.
Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:51 AM (CIS44)

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Plus, the PA Supreme Court decision requiring good dates on ballots, plus signatures (including matching), plus the audit of the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants with drivers licenses to make sure they aren't registered to vote (they auto-register).

Maybe Shapiro and the PA Democrat Party really is trying to tank Kamala.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
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Nah. That ruling will not be in effect in Philadelphia.

Posted by: Eeyore at September 18, 2024 11:57 AM (1bNHn)

267 Plus, the PA Supreme Court decision requiring good dates on ballots, plus signatures (including matching), plus the audit of the hundreds of thousands of ille

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Does it include matching? I thought I read it only mandates a signature be there but not verified.
If I’m wrong I am happy to be so.

Posted by: News Update at September 18, 2024 11:57 AM (Y/tQ+)

268 Bravo Joe Mannix.
My husband and I had this conversation about reporting the other day so very timely. So much of ‘journalism” today is bare bones only the framing and what we want you to know with few facts.

Posted by: Paisley at September 18, 2024 11:58 AM (ny1NG)

269 NEW: Hezbollah walkie-talkies blow up across Lebanon one day after Israel detonated hundreds of pagers 👀

Hezbollah was hit Wednesday by another wave of exploding devices, as walkie-talkies used by the group blew up in homes, cars and in operatives' hands across Lebanon, people familiar with the matter said.

The militant group was scrambling to assess the extent and nature of the explosions, which hit just a day after an attack attributed to Israel caused thousands of pagers carried by Hezbollah members to explode at roughly the same time, injuring more than 2,800 people and killing 12.

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Word to the wise: Don't piss Radio Shack off!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 18, 2024 11:58 AM (L/fGl)

270 266 Nah. That ruling will not be in effect in Philadelphia.
Posted by: Eeyore at September 18, 2024 11:57 AM (1bNHn)

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It's going to be interesting watching the PA Supreme Court outline the Philadelphia Exemption to all election law in real time and officially.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:58 AM (GBKbO)

271 It's weird that a woman who doesn't understand how sex works would also get confused by taking medication wrong.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Power without responsibility destroys society at September 18, 2024 11:58 AM (d+Q1U)

272 Statistically the woman here was likely to be obese, which would increase chances of complications, which her doctor should have advised her on, instead of just handing out pills because she "missed an appointment"
Posted by: brak at September 18, 2024 11:53 AM (25k9m)

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She's not. There are pictures of her.

If she's overweight, it's not by much.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:54 AM (GBKbO)
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She's not overweight and actually looks attractive. She also apparently already had a son. No husband that I can tell. Shocker! I'm sure this is the same old story: foolish woman has unprotected sex with scumbag loser man, gets pregnant, man runs away or is so degenerate he's worthless as a father, and she waits and procrastinates rather than have an abortion early on. Bad shit is almost certain to happen under these circumstances.

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 18, 2024 11:58 AM (iFTx/)

273 267 Does it include matching? I thought I read it only mandates a signature be there but not verified.
If I’m wrong I am happy to be so.
Posted by: News Update at September 18, 2024 11:57 AM (Y/tQ+)

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Yes, it includes matching.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:58 AM (GBKbO)

274 A ton of people voted absentee in 2020 cuz the Wuhan Flu fears. I’m Not sure comparing it to 2020 means much. Every state will have fewer requests this year vs 2020.

Posted by: News Update at September 18, 2024 11:59 AM (Y/tQ+)

275 Second wave of attack on Hezbollah.

Now walkie talkies are exploding on Hezbollah members.

Ha Ha.
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 18, 2024 11:33 AM (+oR7L)

Our time of valor soon approaches!

Posted by: Mossad Vibrating Buttplugs at September 18, 2024 12:00 PM (G0Tgb)

276 235

I’d be better off if 48% of democrats were assassinated.

That’s as close as I will come to a compromise.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 18, 2024 12:00 PM (jbnUc)

277 Can we start a collection to pay Mossad to send new pagers to all the journalists in the MFM?

Posted by: Eeyore at September 18, 2024 12:00 PM (1bNHn)

278 271 It's weird that a woman who doesn't understand how sex works would also get confused by taking medication wrong.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Power without responsibility destroys society at September 18, 2024 11:58 AM (d+Q1U)

Oh, it's worse. They can't not understand given that public schools only teach sex and racism now.

She just did not care. At all.

Modern abortion culture be like:
"feelin' cute, might have an abortion later, idk"

Posted by: My Anti-Condolences at September 18, 2024 12:00 PM (NehaE)

279 Yes, it includes matching.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:58 AM (GBKbO)

Cool. Well maybe we might have a chance in PA after all.

Posted by: News Update at September 18, 2024 12:00 PM (Y/tQ+)

280 I hate it when I get caught in abortion traffic.

Posted by: Oglebay at September 18, 2024 12:00 PM (7fVdQ)

281 My wife had more than one. Sometimes pregnancies terminate themselves.

And then you need a procedure to clean things out. It's heartbreaking and harrowing to go through.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 18, 2024 11:47 AM (dGCAG)

Always loved the part where they made me leave the room so they could ask her if she was being abused.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 18, 2024 12:01 PM (U7wke)

282 Instead, a clinic employee offered Thurman a two-pill abortion regimen approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, mifepristone and misoprostol. Her pregnancy was well within the standard of care for that treatment.

So they are asserting that an abortion performed following the approved regimen and well within the standard of care still killed this woman. Seems like that should be the main story here.

But no. Instead they are blaming her death on the people who were warning her and trying to prevent her from performing that procedure.

Posted by: Half Dozen at September 18, 2024 12:01 PM (ppfCG)

283 They really do intend to kill him before the election, and they're going to be increasingly unconcerned with deniability when they do it.
Posted by: The ARC of History!

Also, they don't seem to care how many others are collateral damage (explosives now?). You never hear about the first fatality during the first assassination attempt because someone is going to get killed doesn't matter even if it's not a Trump supporter.

Posted by: old chick at September 18, 2024 12:01 PM (vmzTg)

284 Pa mail in ballot requests 50 days before election : 2020 D+ 725k 2024 D+ 477K. That's basically R+250k and the raw number of R requests is basically even.
Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:51 AM (CIS44)

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Plus, the PA Supreme Court decision requiring good dates on ballots, plus signatures (including matching), plus the audit of the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants with drivers licenses to make sure they aren't registered to vote (they auto-register).

Maybe Shapiro and the PA Democrat Party really is trying to tank Kamala.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
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I'd get an erection if that was really true and if any of this really mattered to what will happen in Philly. [Checks pants. Frowns.] Nope, it doesn't appear to be true.

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 18, 2024 12:01 PM (iFTx/)

285 ton of people voted absentee in 2020 cuz the Wuhan Flu fears. I’m Not sure comparing it to 2020 means much. Every state will have fewer requests this year vs 2020.
Posted by: News Update

That's was on the backs of mass ballot mail out which pa did. This is requested ballots.

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 12:01 PM (CIS44)

286 >>> My Q is wtf is Trump doing wasting time in NY?

Well NY is not that far a drive or train ride from PA or Ohio or other states he wants to win.

Glad he went to Flint for the town hall. The leaders in Springfield OH have told him to stay away, he's not welcome. They say it's for security and he'll overload their police system, but it's already overloaded by the Haitians. I suspect they want people away so the rally goers can't do their own journalism, and capture Haitians on camera eating the dogs, eating the cats, eating the pets of the people that live there.

Posted by: LizLem at September 18, 2024 12:02 PM (6PFLl)

287 Those attacks on Hezbollah's comms should be a wake up call for first responders here.

Copy-catting is a sincere form of flattery. Don't think it won't be tried here. Success is debatable as the kit is different, but I think there's vulnerabilities to be exploited there.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 18, 2024 12:02 PM (Q4IgG)

288 The militant group was scrambling to assess the extent and nature of the explosions, which hit just a day after an attack attributed to Israel caused thousands of pagers carried by Hezbollah members to explode at roughly the same time, injuring more than 2,800 people and killing 12.

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Word to the wise: Don't piss Radio Shack off!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 18, 2024 11:58 AM (L/fGl)
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That's one way to ensure your enemies will self-limit themselves to pre-industrial technology.

Next thing they know, all of their missile technology will spontaneously burst into flames.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 18, 2024 12:02 PM (7fElN)

289 Fuck those hezbollah people are stupid. After the attack yesterday I’d be getting rid of every single piece of electronics I owned. Phone, radio, tv, anything with an on off switch or battery.

And yet they kept the walkie talkies? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Posted by: News Update at September 18, 2024 12:02 PM (Y/tQ+)

290 From the PA decision on signatures:

"Presently, the "shall place his signature" language in paragraph 3050 (a.4)(3) is equally clear and unambiguous, and the interests it serves are evident from the statute itself: the Board must compare the signature on the outer envelope with the one on the elector's registration form to assess whether it is genuine and executed by the same person who signed the affidavit. Only then is the board permitted to count the ballot."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 12:02 PM (GBKbO)

291 >>The sad truth is this: It’s not at all surprising that someone would try to kill him. I mean, think about it. Every day for 9yrs, he’s spewed hate, spread division, and incited violence like no other. Every day.

If you watch MSNBC, for example, and see how obsessed they are with talking about how awful Trump is - each new day provides a new outrage - you can understand why their audience wants him dead.

Not necessarily because they believe he's a threat, but because every day the media is jacking them up emotionally, spinning them into a rage. My God, they need relief from this cycle, and Trump dying is the one sure thing that will end the daily outrage. Think of the daily fear-mongering with Covid, all day, heavy-handed "you are going to die!" stuff, but since 2015. Nine years of having their fear response triggered, again and again and again. Just make it stop. Just make Trump stop.

Serious brainwashing.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2024 12:02 PM (Pijte)

292 My Q is wtf is Trump doing wasting time in NY?

Well NY is not that far a drive or train ride from PA or Ohio or other states he wants to win.

Glad he went to Flint for the town hall. The leaders in Springfield OH have told him to stay away, he's not welcome. They say it's for security and he'll overload their police system, but it's already overloaded by the Haitians. I suspect they want people away so the rally goers can't do their own journalism, and capture Haitians on camera eating the dogs, eating the cats, eating the pets of the people that live there.
Posted by: LizLem at September 18, 2024 12:02 PM (6PFLl)
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That plus there are some down-ballot races it's possible for the GOP to pick up in NY.

Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 18, 2024 12:03 PM (iFTx/)

293 The claim that a hospital will deny or delay emergency surgery for pregnancy/abortion complications due to legal concerns is scare fodder for the masses.
This has been refuted again and again after the overturning of Dobbs.
Unfortunately, this does not mean that a specific hospital might deliver sub-standard care.

Posted by: sal at September 18, 2024 11:25 AM (f+FmA)
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I'm in the benefits business. It hasn't been refuted at all. It exists all the time, and continues to occur because hospitals are pissed off they are losing procedures and they are run by liberal pussies.

I just had it happen last week to an employee at our firm. I hear from HR associates throughout the state running into variations of it on a frequency that is surprising, especially considering the language in our state which specifically relies on the doctor's judgement.

Leftists don't care about people. And if a few of them die so we can get a few more votes in November, they should be glad to give their life to the cause.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 18, 2024 12:05 PM (GZYu7)

294 It's going to be interesting watching the PA Supreme Court outline the Philadelphia Exemption to all election law in real time and officially.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Super easy...barely an inconvenience. The Philly vote counters will announce the results, the County election office will certify, Trump surrogates will sue, the county will claim they verified the signatures, and the courts will say Trump has no standing to sue.

Easy peasy.

Posted by: PA Court System at September 18, 2024 12:05 PM (ycI94)

295 Fuck those hezbollah people are stupid. After the attack yesterday I’d be getting rid of every single piece of electronics I owned. Phone, radio, tv, anything with an on off switch or battery.

And yet they kept the walkie talkies? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Posted by: News Update

That is priceless.
Blow them up with pagers.

"Quick! No one use pagers. They aren't safe! Use your walkie talkie!"

Lulululululu boom!

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at September 18, 2024 12:05 PM (XTEnH)

296 >>The leaders in Springfield OH have told him to stay away, he's not welcome.

Please don't come and speak with the citizens we have been screwing over for 3+ years! It will make trouble -- for us.

Trump and Vance need to go, and maybe like he did with East Palestine. Not a rally or a big campaign stop. He needs to met the residents, they need to be heard.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2024 12:06 PM (Pijte)

297 Another excellent article. Well done, Mannix.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 18, 2024 12:06 PM (i24o9)

298 So they are asserting that an abortion performed following the approved regimen and well within the standard of care still killed this woman. Seems like that should be the main story here.

Telling a grown women she just didn't plan to murder her child well enough and will have to give birth and give the child up for adoption is not a reasonable alternative to risky child-killing procedures, you see. Mom would lose out on months of additional rutting.

Posted by: My Anti-Condolences at September 18, 2024 12:06 PM (NehaE)

299 Willowed from the Art Thread (the art thread?)

It is unclear to me how a manufacturer of plastic food containers will benefit from being digital-first.

https://tinyurl.com/3ef2n6wf
Posted by: Archimedes at September 18, 2024 09:56 AM (xCA6C)

Of course Tupperware has to go digital...it's where you keep your bytes for later.

Posted by: haffhowershower at September 18, 2024 12:06 PM (NMT5x)

300 It’s possible to register online. How does one provide a signature that way, which can be verified?

Posted by: News Update at September 18, 2024 12:06 PM (Y/tQ+)

301 >>Question that doesn't need answering: Where was Thurman's husband in all of this?

Thurman was black, and being that roughly 80pct of black children are born to single mothers, dad is probably either in prison or doing something else he finds more productive.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 18, 2024 11:43 AM (XV/Pl)

Given that the real purpose of Planned Parenthood is the genocide of black people, they got a twofer with Thurman, didn't they?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 18, 2024 12:07 PM (G0Tgb)

302 Kamala tweeted about this woman today. No mention she died in 2022. It’s like this happened last week. Also, no mention of the facts, obviously.

The left is just disgusting.

Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 12:07 PM (p4NUW)

303 I always request my electronics be shipped without explosives.

Yeah, it costs a bit more, but I'm worth it!

Posted by: Stateless at September 18, 2024 12:07 PM (jvJvP)

304
"Presently, the "shall place his signature" language in paragraph 3050 (a.4)(3) is equally clear and unambiguous, and the interests it serves are evident from the statute itself: the Board must compare the signature on the outer envelope with the one on the elector's registration form to assess whether it is genuine and executed by the same person who signed the affidavit. Only then is the board permitted to count the ballot."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 12:02 PM

Interesting. I live in a very small town and I imagine they could open up the mailed-in ballots and compare the signature in a few hours. But Philadelphia could possibly take a week or more.

Are they allowed to process before Election Day?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 18, 2024 12:07 PM (RKVpM)

305 304 Interesting. I live in a very small town and I imagine they could open up the mailed-in ballots and compare the signature in a few hours. But Philadelphia could possibly take a week or more.

Are they allowed to process before Election Day?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 18, 2024 12:07 PM (RKVpM)

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I...think...so...?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 12:08 PM (GBKbO)

306 LOL.

Rancid Talapia says the beeper explosions against hezbolla is disgusting. Xcrement users respond with "Some beepers did some things."

LMMFAO
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 18, 2024 11:50 AM

From The Bee:

https://tinyurl.com/ytvupd28

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 18, 2024 12:08 PM (mAhnd)

307 My husband and I had this conversation about reporting the other day so very timely. So much of ‘journalism” today is bare bones only the framing and what we want you to know with few facts.
Posted by: Paisley

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The other day I saw a scare headline on the local news site about "Obesity Epidemic in XXX County"

The article gave zero numbers about what constituted either "obesity" or "an epidemic". Just a flat out assertion (framing) that there was one.

So I went to the source cited in the article, a report by the county health department that they put out every three years. This so-called Community Health Needs Assessment report did not have a single mention of obesity in the entire 35 or 40 page document. Nada.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 18, 2024 12:08 PM (991eG)

308 When it comes to crucial independent voters, both candidates are below 50 percent, but a new Gallup survey finds that just 35% of independents view the vice president favorably, while 60% view her unfavorably.

That puts her 25 points underwater with the very voters she needs to sway.

25 points underwater with independents, but "winning" national polls by 4-10%? Science!

Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 18, 2024 11:38 AM (ycI94)
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She is losing independents like crazy.If that doesn't stop and get reversed Harris might just lose Virginia and NH as well.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 18, 2024 12:08 PM (GZYu7)

309 Hamassholes are now scared to turn the coffee pot on.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 18, 2024 12:08 PM (ejb7c)

310 Are they allowed to process before Election Day?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 18, 2024 12:07 PM (RKVpM)

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I...think...so...?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Isn't it no. And that's why they are claiming they can't do it in a day unlike Florida?

Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 12:08 PM (CIS44)

311
Next thing they know, all of their missile technology will spontaneously burst into flames.

Aren't they using basically 1808 Congreve rocket tech?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 18, 2024 12:09 PM (HVqcf)

312 Only read a little on these bombs but bet it's their own carelessness

Posted by: Skip at September 18, 2024 12:09 PM (fwDg9)

313 She is losing independents like crazy.If that doesn't stop and get reversed Harris might just lose Virginia and NH as well.
Posted by: Black JEM at September 18, 2024 12:08 PM

And yet....Newsweak keeps pushing the "Harris is the likely winner" meme. Gotta prep that cheat battlespace.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 18, 2024 12:09 PM (ZANHd)

314 Musk/America fan boys only:

https://tinyurl.com/bdeykkmx

Posted by: Braenyard at September 18, 2024 12:09 PM (PS4T+)

315 >>My husband and I had this conversation about reporting the other day so very timely. So much of ‘journalism” today is bare bones only the framing and what we want you to know with few facts.

And it takes three "journalists" to write one article.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2024 12:10 PM (Pijte)

316 I'm in the benefits business. It hasn't been refuted at all. It exists all the time, and continues to occur because hospitals are pissed off they are losing procedures and they are run by liberal pussies.

I just had it happen last week to an employee at our firm. I hear from HR associates throughout the state running into variations of it on a frequency that is surprising, especially considering the language in our state which specifically relies on the doctor's judgement.

Leftists don't care about people. And if a few of them die so we can get a few more votes in November, they should be glad to give their life to the cause.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 18, 2024 12:05 PM (GZYu7)

My and my doc's chosen treatment for my Mantle Cell Lymphoma, the one shown to work the best, was shot down by Aetna cold this week. I am going to do my backup plan treatment next week (the one that shouldn't kill me, but won't work as well, but shouldn't make anything worse for the future). Insurance plays a HUGE role in what you get and what you don't...whether it's private or government paid...

Posted by: Nova Local at September 18, 2024 12:10 PM (exHjb)

317 310 Isn't it no. And that's why they are claiming they can't do it in a day unlike Florida?
Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 12:08 PM (CIS44)

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Possibly. It's a series of stories I note as having read a headline on without really digesting it.

I may be attributing (cautiously) a headline from another state to PA.

And I don't feel like researching.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 12:10 PM (GBKbO)

318 @301

>>they got a twofer with Thurman, didn't they?

As an Agent of Chaos opined: It's all part of the plan.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 18, 2024 12:10 PM (XV/Pl)

319 continues to occur because hospitals are pissed off they are losing procedures and they are run by liberal pussies.
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Are you suggesting that we are just in this for the profit ?!

Posted by: HCA, Healthcare America Inc. at September 18, 2024 12:11 PM (XeU6L)

320 Alot of Hezbollah assholes no longer have their nadas as well!

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 18, 2024 12:11 PM (CEzQx)

321 315 >>My husband and I had this conversation about reporting the other day so very timely. So much of ‘journalism” today is bare bones only the framing and what we want you to know with few facts.

And it takes three "journalists" to write one article.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 18, 2024 12:10 PM (Pijte)
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Well, they need extra checking to make sure everything in it is false. It's harder to disprove than to prove.

Posted by: Eeyore at September 18, 2024 12:12 PM (1bNHn)

322 nood USSS

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 18, 2024 12:12 PM (CEzQx)

323 309 Hamassholes are now scared to turn the coffee pot on.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
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What next? 3000 cars?

Posted by: Braenyard at September 18, 2024 12:12 PM (PS4T+)

324 Are you suggesting that we are just in this for the profit ?!
Posted by: HCA, Healthcare America Inc. at September 18, 2024 12:11 PM (XeU6L)

I did it for the nookie.

Posted by: News Update at September 18, 2024 12:12 PM (Y/tQ+)

325 My husband and I had this conversation about reporting the other day so very timely. So much of ‘journalism” today is bare bones only the framing and what we want you to know with few facts.
Posted by: Paisley

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The other day I saw a scare headline on the local news site about "Obesity Epidemic in XXX County"..
Posted by: Muldoon
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Here's my recent favorite AP article. it's all over the place if you search for the "world changing" bit, and this is just a random grab:

Bag of Cheetos dropped off-trail in national park cave is ‘world changing’

https://tinyurl.com/24ofnlvu

(spoiler alert: they mean the world of tiny little world of teensy little organisms in the small biome of a certain radius around where the bag was dropped)

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Power without responsibility destroys society at September 18, 2024 12:12 PM (d+Q1U)

326 >>> Exit question: Anyone seen or heard from PETA in Ohio? ASPCA? Humane Society?*cues up Sarah MacLaughlin song

Silly, we only care about ending agriculture in America! Your dog or cat can go hang.

Posted by: PETA's very real kill shelters for Fido at September 18, 2024 12:12 PM (6PFLl)

327 So now walkie-talkies are blowing up in Lebanon? If true this awesome. Leftist heads are soon to follow.

Eventually, it's going to interesting to see how the Mossad will make tin cans and string explode.

Posted by: Chuck C at September 18, 2024 12:12 PM (yOPBE)

328 My and my doc's chosen treatment for my Mantle Cell Lymphoma, the one shown to work the best, was shot down by Aetna cold this week. I am going to do my backup plan treatment next week (the one that shouldn't kill me, but won't work as well, but shouldn't make anything worse for the future). Insurance plays a HUGE role in what you get and what you don't...whether it's private or government paid...
Posted by: Nova Local at

Does your preferred treatment have financial help? Many times they will offer greatly reduced costs, they will first try to get your insurance to cover it, but if not, you get the discount.

Posted by: Piper at September 18, 2024 12:13 PM (p4NUW)

329 NOOD

Posted by: It's me donna at September 18, 2024 12:13 PM (IyPmt)

330 227 UPDATE: Apparently the explosives found at the Trump rally were being used to help train a bomb sniffing dog and are not a threat
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Who thought it was a good idea to train a bomb sniffing dog near a Trump rally? Something smells.
Posted by: Megthered at September 18, 2024 11:50 AM (VihIQ)

Sounds like a fake bomb threat to me, but framed as "I was training a bomb sniffing dog and it alerted to this car." So, basically someone pretending to be a good citizen but in reality a lefty who wanted to shut down a Trump rally.

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at September 18, 2024 12:15 PM (VGRuw)

331 234 Pa mail in ballot requests 50 days before election : 2020 D+ 725k 2024 D+ 477K. That's basically R+250k and the raw number of R requests is basically even.
Posted by: BruceWayne at September 18, 2024 11:51 AM (CIS44)

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Plus, the PA Supreme Court decision requiring good dates on ballots, plus signatures (including matching), plus the audit of the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants with drivers licenses to make sure they aren't registered to vote (they auto-register).

Maybe Shapiro and the PA Democrat Party really is trying to tank Kamala.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
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It is in Shapiro's interest for Harris to lose.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 18, 2024 12:15 PM (GZYu7)

332 Serious brainwashing.
Posted by: Lizzy
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The president's spokesperson KJP saying that Trump is an exestential threat to our democracy is libel & threat of bodily harm. She and the White House committed a felony.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 18, 2024 12:15 PM (PS4T+)

333 Are they allowed to process before Election Day?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 18, 2024 12:07 PM (RKVpM)

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I...think...so...?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 18, 2024 12:08 PM (GBKbO)

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No. They can only open mail in ballots on Election Day. It’s a procedure tailor made for fraud.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 18, 2024 12:16 PM (CgVac)

334 Scott Pressler sounded the alarm on a serious voter registration problem in PA.

They are dragging their feet on getting all the new registered voters names into the system and getting ballots mailed out to them in time. And they've even implied it's not possible at this point for that to happen before Election Day.

Meanwhile early voting ballots have already gone out to PA mailboxes.

Scott has worked tirelessly to get new voters registered there, and actually has flipped a few counties red in voter registration. Guess who they suspect the new registered voters are voting for? Guess why they just might be dragging their feet on getting them ballots?

It must be frustrating for Scott to work so hard, so tirelessly, and see the left pull one more devious tactic to undo all his work. Hope he, Lara Trump, and the voters there can get this sorted out .

Posted by: LizLem at September 18, 2024 12:18 PM (7rXq5)

335 Bag of Cheetos dropped off-trail in national park cave is ‘world changing’

(spoiler alert: they mean the world of tiny little world of teensy little organisms in the small biome of a certain radius around where the bag was dropped)
Posted by: Boron Cobbie

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A new race of Neon Orange ants.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 18, 2024 12:20 PM (991eG)

336 I'm hopeful that some of the few people who still read Mother Jones will get this fact from the article: abortion drugs kill women.

Posted by: bradc at September 18, 2024 12:52 PM (hPbdX)

337
North Carolina borders northern Georgia. It is not “two states away”.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at September 18, 2024 01:26 PM (mYNxU)

338 Late to the party as usual, but the abortion pills are designed to bring on a medically induced miscarriage. That's what they do and any patient who comes in for such a treatment should be treated as a woman who is in fact having a miscarriage. There have been many scandals about women who have taken these pills thinking they are an easy out, and ending up bleeding out in their own bathtubs because the abortion doctors don't give them adequate warning about dangers and side effects.

Posted by: Beverly at September 18, 2024 02:14 PM (Epeb0)

339 The problem with the way in which the right is responding to these pieces on abortion is that Roe - if you've read it - disallows prohibition of abortion IN THE FIRST TRIMESTER, but allows states to prohibit abortions thereafter, except in cases in which the life of the mother is at stake. Hence, once the first trimester has passed, no legal difference exists between Roe and Dobbs - both leave to the states the legal status of abortion in the second and third trimesters. In the case of this woman, under Roe, her state could just as easily prohibited abortions in her case under Roe as it does now under Dobbs.

If the GOP had working brain cells, they would ensure the franchise, particularly women, knew this, rather than let the nonsense that Roe allows abortions today, abortions tomorrow and abortions forever. But it's not called "the stupid party" for nothing.

Posted by: Alexander Scipio at September 18, 2024 02:27 PM (NX5U7)

340 Very late to the party, but as we all know there were two cases - not just Roe, I believe there was an accompanying case called Doe. And its restrictions on prohibitions by the states was much more strict. That caused some misunderstanding of where Roe and ended and Doe started.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 18, 2024 03:04 PM (GZYu7)

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