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Former Clinton Advisor Mark Penn: ABC "News" Should Submit to a Full Third-Party Investigation to Determine If They Schemed to Fact-Check Only Trump
Clarification:
>>Interesting that former Clinton people seem to be siding with Trump. Are they also former leftists or are they still leftists and just hate Kneepads that much?I should have said, Mark Penn has a fair few opinions on the rightish side these days. He's not really a "Clinton person" any longer. See the link to David Strom near the end of the post to see him talking about the evil of suppressing free speech, for example. ... From the very first moment I read that Kamala Harris had been given "assurances" by ABC "News" that she would not be disadvantaged by the turned-off mic rule, what did I tell everyone? I said, repeatedly, these "assurances" consisted of ABC "News" guaranteeing Kamala Harris that the "moderators" would do the "fact"-checking that Kamala Harris, supposedly, would do if her microphone was on when Trump was speaking. It was the first thought I had, and was confirmed when the "moderators" began openly debating Trump during the debate. I'm not sure what Mark Penn is hearing, but he thinks it's "obvious" that ABC "News" had a side-deal with Kamala Harris guaranteeing her "fact"-checking of Trump. And no fact-checking of her dozens of lies.
Did I call it on what those "assurances" were or did I call it?
Former top Clinton adviser calls on ABC to launch internal probe into whether debate was rigged Veteran Democratic pollster Mark Penn said "I think a review of all their internal texts and emails really should be done [...] to find out to what extent they were planning on, in effect, you know, fact-checking just one candidate and in effect, rigging the outcome of this debate." Penn is not the only one.
By Nicholas Ballasy
Mark Penn, a former top adviser to Bill and Hillary Clinton, called Thursday for ABC to launch a formal internal investigation into its news division's planning and execution of this week's presidential debate to determine if there was some effort at "rigging the outcome of this debate."
ABC News came under significant bipartisan criticism because its moderators fact-checked some of Donald Trump's statements but not a single pushback at any made by Kamala Harris. Trump said Thursday that the debate was three-on-one and declined to participate in another one before the election. Anchors David Muir and Linsey Davis moderated the first debate between Harris and Trump, which drew 67.1 million viewers, making it the most watched presidential debate since 2008. But it has drawn scorn from both Republicans and Democrats for giving the appearance of bias. "I actually think they should do a full internal investigation, hire an outside law firm. I don't know how much of this was planned in advance," Penn told the "John Solomon Reports" podcast. "I don't know what they told the Harris campaign. I think the day after, suspicion here is really quite high, and I think a review of all their internal texts and emails really should be done by an independent party to find out to what extent they were planning on, in effect, you know, fact-checking just one candidate and in effect, rigging the outcome of this debate. I think the situation demands nothing less than that," he added.
...Disney is the locus of all evil. I strongly opposed Trump doing this debate on the Disney Groomer News Network, particularly because Kamala Harris refused to do a Fox debate. If she can veto a network, so can Trump. Trump is way too confident of himself a lot of the time. He thinks he can charm anyone and out-fox anyone. He can't. They hate his guts. Literally. The media would actually pick up a gun and attempt to assassinate him if they weren't all mewling pussies.
Other publications have disclosed a questionable coziness between Harris and Dana Walden, co-chairman of Disney and who oversees ABC News. The New York Times quoted Harris as calling their relationship "extraordinary friends," and disclosed that Walden and Harris are neighbors in Brentwood, a wealthy Los Angeles enclave where Ms. Harris and her husband also own a residence. The Times also pointed out that The Waldens have donated money to Ms. Harris's political campaigns since at least 2003, when she ran for district attorney in San Francisco.
... Mark Penn is not the only veteran Democratic pollster and advisor to criticize the moderation. In an editorial, Doug Schoen, an advisor to President Clinton and N.Y.C. Mayor Mike Bloomberg, lamented that Harris "was aided and abetted by two ABC News moderators who seemingly felt the need to fact-check virtually everything the former president said."Mark Penn's demand for a third-party investigation into the Disney Groomer News Network comes at the same time a Twitter account claims that it will be releasing an affidavit from a Disney employing alleging that ABC "News" did in fact give "assurances" to Kamala Harris that they would "fact"-check Trump early and often.
Leading ReportI don't think much of "getting the questions in advance." These were pretty obvious questions. I mean, it was strange that in an election in which voters say the top issues are the economy, crime, and immigration, the "moderators" asked one question about each and spent the rest of the time on abortion, January 6th, the environment, and, of course, Trump's racism. But that was entirely predictable. But who knows-- maybe Kamala was given "assurances" that those topics would dominate. What is more interesting to me is the claim that they gave her "assurances" that she would benefit from constant "fact"-checks of Trump's statements. Which seemed to me to be the only way to read the situation. By the way, Kamala's Sorority Sister Linsey Davis admits now that she was determined that she would not allow Trump to win, as CNN had allowed Trump to beat Biden.
@LeadingReport BREAKING: ABC whistleblower allegedly will release an affidavit claiming the Harris campaign was given sample questions that were "essentially the same questions that were given during the debate," as well as assurances that Trump would be "fact-checked" and she would not.
They studied Trump's campaign speeches to "fact"-check him. They did not study Kamala's speeches. Otherwise, they would have been prepared for the "good people on both sides" and "bloodbath" lies. Or perhaps they're so in the leftwing bubble that these "journalists" still think those claims are true.
Linsey Davis held Trump's feet to the fire. How she became ABC News' rising star
Linsey Davis, an ABC News anchor, provided a showstopping moment while moderating Tuesday's presidential debate.
Presidential debates are remembered for the candidates' pithy one-liners. But in the chaotic political landscape of 2024, a simple statement of fact served as the showstopper on Tuesday's showdown between former President Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris. "There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born," said ABC News moderator Linsey Davis in the matter-of-fact style familiar to viewers who watch her on the Sunday edition of "ABC World News Tonight" and her nightly streaming newscast "ABC News Live Prime." Her correction was a response to Trump's claim that the Democratic Party's support of abortion rights includes "executing" an infant after it's born, something he has repeatedly said on the campaign trail. In an era in which misinformation spreads fast and furious, Davis' real-time fact check cut through the proceedings like a sharp blade. With co-moderator David Muir, Davis had studied hours of campaign rallies and interviews to prepare for the much-anticipated event at Philadelphia's National Constitution Center, and were ready to counter the candidates' most egregious statements.
Davis, wearing pink glasses while speaking to The Times over breakfast at the Ritz Carlton in Philadelphia, said the decision to attempt to correct the candidates was in response to the June 27 CNN debate between Trump and President Biden, whose poor performance led to his exit from the race. "People were concerned that statements were allowed to just hang and not [be] disputed by the candidate Biden, at the time, or the moderators," Davis said.I'll bet. Note that the moderators were, by rules, not permitted to comment or "fact"-check. Their role was only to keep the debate civil and "facilitate discussion." Once again, they broke the rules they agreed to. The media can never be trusted to "moderate" a debate again. No rules worked out with them beforehand will be honored. They will always claim a "higher devotion to 'The Truth (TM)', which only leftwing c*nts can devine. Via David Strom, who has more from Mark Penn.
Muir and Davis divided up the topics to study, and Davis fully anticipated that Trump's erroneous abortion claim would come up when she questioned him on the issue. "That was an obvious thing to get on the record," Davis said. In the weeks before the debate, various scenarios were played out in table read-like settings where the anchors and ABC News producers tested their questions and played out the possible responses.
Davis acknowledged that she and Muir could not nail every misstatement. But they did study each candidate's body of work ahead of time and had an idea of what to expect. "Politicians tend to say the same things again and again," Davis said. To prepare, Davis, a 17-year ABC News veteran, reviewed questions in her head for weeks during her daily runs (she and entrepreneur husband Paul Roberts have competed in half-marathons in 46 states). There was a lot of prayer too. "My husband said a little 30-second prayer before I left for Philadelphia," said Davis, a Christian who has written faith-based children's books. "He was like, 'God give her the words to say.' That's in the Scripture. There were a few praying for, in particular, wisdom, discernment, courage and peace." A cousin of Davis set up a prayer meeting on Zoom as well. ... Davis is set to play a critical role in the future at ABC News.
Mark Penn
@Mark_Penn There can be no fair game or debate no matter what the score when the referees put their fingers on the scale. What ABC did in poorly fact checking one side while letting the other side repeat serial falsehoods meant that one side had to do its own defense. It robs all sides of a fair event and a clean, uncontested outcome. Shame on ABC
BREAKING: Megyn Kelly just went on an intense rant calling out the disgusting ABC hosts for working with Kamala Harris to sink Trump and STEAL THE ELECTION
— George (@BehizyTweets) September 11, 2024
"I'm ashamed of those moderators at ABC News. They did exactly what their bosses wanted them to do. The person who runs ABC… pic.twitter.com/Xsq2Mm9Huo
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Coulda been first but I didn't wanna.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 13, 2024 01:00 PM (/y8xj)
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:01 PM (dCxaZ)
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I called 'em
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:02 PM (dCxaZ)
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and they wonder why we call them fake news
Posted by: SturmToddler at September 13, 2024 01:02 PM (v6XNT)
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Howdy! No surprise!
Posted by: Moonbeam at September 13, 2024 01:03 PM (rbKZ6)
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We're the media. "Bad faith" is baked into the cake. Are you new around here?
Posted by: ABC at September 13, 2024 01:03 PM (4SKzt)
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"My husband said a little 30-second prayer before I left for Philadelphia," said Davis, a Christian who has written faith-based children's books. "He was like, 'God give her the words to say.' That's in the Scripture. There were a few praying for, in particular, wisdom, discernment, courage and peace."
A cousin of Davis set up a prayer meeting on Zoom as well.
The sanctimony is shtrong in this one
A cousin of Davis set up a prayer meeting on Zoom as well.
The sanctimony is shtrong in this one
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:04 PM (dCxaZ)
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"I strongly opposed Trump doing this debate on the Disney Groomer News Network, particularly because Kamala Harris refused to do a Fox debate. If she can veto a network, so can Trump.
Trump is way too confident of himself a lot of the time. He thinks he can charm anyone and out-fox anyone."
Counterpoint: Trump thought he was in a no-lose situation. Either the moderators make it look biased as hell (which they did) or he just plain curb stomps her.
Notice, ABC and Springfield, Ohio are grabbing more attention than anything Kamala said or did.
Trump is way too confident of himself a lot of the time. He thinks he can charm anyone and out-fox anyone."
Counterpoint: Trump thought he was in a no-lose situation. Either the moderators make it look biased as hell (which they did) or he just plain curb stomps her.
Notice, ABC and Springfield, Ohio are grabbing more attention than anything Kamala said or did.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:04 PM (KbCG3)
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and... DONE!!!!
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:04 PM (KRtlO)
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Racist conspiracy theories abound at misogynistic blogs after Trump's resounding defeat at historic debate.
Posted by: MSNBC at September 13, 2024 01:04 PM (Ybyk2)
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7 "My husband said a little 30-second prayer before I left for Philadelphia," said Davis, a Christian who has written faith-based children's books. "He was like, 'God give her the words to say.' That's in the Scripture. There were a few praying for, in particular, wisdom, discernment, courage and peace."
A cousin of Davis set up a prayer meeting on Zoom as well.
So God give her the words to say to destroy Trump and protect and boost Kamala
A cousin of Davis set up a prayer meeting on Zoom as well.
So God give her the words to say to destroy Trump and protect and boost Kamala
Posted by: It's me donna at September 13, 2024 01:05 PM (IyPmt)
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Odd that a former Clinton guy would come out so strongly against the debate and, by extension, the putang whore. But I kid, I kid. It's not surprising at all. I'm sure Clintonland hates her guts and wishes her nothing but pain and failure.
I've been saying for a while now that Kumswala has no constituency among Dumocrap factions. They are all out to get her, for one reason or another. Jealously, resentment, and in many cases (Shapiro, Witchen, etc) they want her dead and buried to clear the decks for a 2028 run.
I've already seen a evidence of this. I think it will intensify more as the election gets closer, especially if it becomes clear she'll lose to Trump.
I've been saying for a while now that Kumswala has no constituency among Dumocrap factions. They are all out to get her, for one reason or another. Jealously, resentment, and in many cases (Shapiro, Witchen, etc) they want her dead and buried to clear the decks for a 2028 run.
I've already seen a evidence of this. I think it will intensify more as the election gets closer, especially if it becomes clear she'll lose to Trump.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 13, 2024 01:05 PM (iFTx/)
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There can be no fair game or debate no matter what the score when the referees put their fingers on the scale.
If you've listened to Kamala at all, you'd realize that cheating was the only way to make this a fair fight.
If you've listened to Kamala at all, you'd realize that cheating was the only way to make this a fair fight.
Posted by: ABC News at September 13, 2024 01:05 PM (4SKzt)
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Well when you've lost Megan Kelly.....
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 01:05 PM (U/CEs)
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>>>Counterpoint: Trump thought he was in a no-lose situation. Either the moderators make it look biased as hell (which they did) or he just plain curb stomps her.
i don't play this game of "try to think of ways in which Trump's failure turned out to be a win." A lot of people enjoy playing this game online, I don't. sometimes a mistake is just a mistake. it's not all 11-dimensional chess.
I really would like to see the end of 11-dimensional chess. Like "Sarah Palin resigning from the governorship is really a masterstroke that sets her up to be president."
i don't play this game of "try to think of ways in which Trump's failure turned out to be a win." A lot of people enjoy playing this game online, I don't. sometimes a mistake is just a mistake. it's not all 11-dimensional chess.
I really would like to see the end of 11-dimensional chess. Like "Sarah Palin resigning from the governorship is really a masterstroke that sets her up to be president."
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:05 PM (KRtlO)
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The weekend is coming
Posted by: Skip at September 13, 2024 01:05 PM (Ubg6B)
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Yeah, it's all "Fuck you, I'll lie because I'm a brat" from democrats now.
Yeah, it's all "Fuck you, I'll lie because I'm a brat" from democrats now.
Posted by: Auspex at September 13, 2024 01:06 PM (j4U/Z)
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Who could have possibly suggested ABC would be biased??
/gambling in the Kasbah
/so soon after pride month
/gambling in the Kasbah
/so soon after pride month
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 13, 2024 01:06 PM (RIvkX)
Posted by: AltonJackson at September 13, 2024 01:06 PM (bEb2S)
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Why can't you see
What you're doing to me
When you don't believe a word I say?
We can't go on together
With suspicious minds (with suspicious minds)
And we can't build our dreams
On suspicious minds
What you're doing to me
When you don't believe a word I say?
We can't go on together
With suspicious minds (with suspicious minds)
And we can't build our dreams
On suspicious minds
Posted by: Fat Elvis at September 13, 2024 01:06 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:06 PM (KRtlO)
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Interesting that former Clinton people seem to be siding with Trump. Are they also former leftists or are they still leftists and just hate Kneepads that much?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 13, 2024 01:07 PM (s9EYN)
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(unless there is breaking news)
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:07 PM (KRtlO)
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The Harris hate is strong with the Clinton's. Wow.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 13, 2024 01:07 PM (/U5Yz)
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A cousin of Davis set up a prayer meeting on Zoom as well.
____________________
"Can I sit in on this?" - Jeffrey Toobin
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"Can I sit in on this?" - Jeffrey Toobin
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 13, 2024 01:07 PM (YqDXo)
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15 >>>Counterpoint: Trump thought he was in a no-lose situation. Either the moderators make it look biased as hell (which they did) or he just plain curb stomps her.
i don't play this game of "try to think of ways in which Trump's failure turned out to be a win." A lot of people enjoy playing this game online, I don't. sometimes a mistake is just a mistake. it's not all 11-dimensional chess.
I really would like to see the end of 11-dimensional chess. Like "Sarah Palin resigning from the governorship is really a masterstroke that sets her up to be president."
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:05 PM (KRtlO)
Count me in as a guy who doesn't believe in the 4D chess theory. You're probably right that he thought he could bull his way through it.
That said, he's coming out of this looking better than I felt he would right after.
i don't play this game of "try to think of ways in which Trump's failure turned out to be a win." A lot of people enjoy playing this game online, I don't. sometimes a mistake is just a mistake. it's not all 11-dimensional chess.
I really would like to see the end of 11-dimensional chess. Like "Sarah Palin resigning from the governorship is really a masterstroke that sets her up to be president."
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:05 PM (KRtlO)
Count me in as a guy who doesn't believe in the 4D chess theory. You're probably right that he thought he could bull his way through it.
That said, he's coming out of this looking better than I felt he would right after.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:07 PM (KbCG3)
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>>.22 Interesting that former Clinton people seem to be siding with Trump. Are they also former leftists or are they still leftists and just hate Kneepads that much?
i should have said, Mark Penn has a LOT of opinions on the rightish side these days. He's not really a "Clinton person" any longer.
i should have said, Mark Penn has a LOT of opinions on the rightish side these days. He's not really a "Clinton person" any longer.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:07 PM (KRtlO)
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By third party, I believe they mean a firm owned by the network executive's wife's sister.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 13, 2024 01:07 PM (GBKbO)
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Odd that a former Clinton guy would come out so strongly against the debate
I wondered about this. Is Mark Penn a Friend of Jill?
she seems to have a fan club amongst the demorat glitterati
I wondered about this. Is Mark Penn a Friend of Jill?
she seems to have a fan club amongst the demorat glitterati
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:08 PM (dCxaZ)
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28 By third party, I believe they mean a firm owned by the network executive's wife's sister.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 13, 2024 01:07 PM (GBKbO)
"I'll do it!" - Merchan's daughter
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 13, 2024 01:07 PM (GBKbO)
"I'll do it!" - Merchan's daughter
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:08 PM (KbCG3)
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A lot of weird asides in that article on Davis. Particularly the 'she's a Christian!' bit.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 13, 2024 01:08 PM (s9EYN)
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I still say it's way too early to claim Trump doing this debate was a mistake. With each passing day it looks less likely to be the case and not just because of Harris.
Trump's biggest enemy, hell, all of our biggest enemy, is the media. Without them the left would be a broken toy. Even if we never get confirmation of collusion between ABC and the Harris campaign it's so obvious everyone can see it. Even the Clinton's favorite pollster admits it and that's a huge blow for the media.
Destroying corporate media is paramount if we are going to save the republic.
Trump's biggest enemy, hell, all of our biggest enemy, is the media. Without them the left would be a broken toy. Even if we never get confirmation of collusion between ABC and the Harris campaign it's so obvious everyone can see it. Even the Clinton's favorite pollster admits it and that's a huge blow for the media.
Destroying corporate media is paramount if we are going to save the republic.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2024 01:08 PM (LkLld)
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 13, 2024 01:08 PM (RKVpM)
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Ace, it was posted below. We very well may live in a post-2008 timeline where the Pope isn't a Christian:
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And now, Bible Study Moment with Pope Frankie Goes To Hollywood.
Pope Francis to children: "All religions are paths to reach God ... some are Sikh, Muslim, Hindu, Christians; they are different ways to God."
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Ahh, the sacrament of the suicide bombings.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 13, 2024 12:51 PM (L/fGl)
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And now, Bible Study Moment with Pope Frankie Goes To Hollywood.
Pope Francis to children: "All religions are paths to reach God ... some are Sikh, Muslim, Hindu, Christians; they are different ways to God."
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Ahh, the sacrament of the suicide bombings.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 13, 2024 12:51 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:08 PM (LKNus)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 13, 2024 01:09 PM (63Dwl)
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Megyn's rant was righteous.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 13, 2024 01:09 PM (RIvkX)
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:09 PM (/7KEl)
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it was a setup and a pile on and he kept fighting and came out standing
and they looked like the nasty dorkwads they are
and everyone saw it - it could not be hidden, not fully tho they try
so, right, he got flustered, it was painful - BUT
maybe it was still good for people to see. watching it I got a very different impression than it seems like people who were following text or even sound did.
the body language.
and they looked like the nasty dorkwads they are
and everyone saw it - it could not be hidden, not fully tho they try
so, right, he got flustered, it was painful - BUT
maybe it was still good for people to see. watching it I got a very different impression than it seems like people who were following text or even sound did.
the body language.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2024 01:09 PM (s3qiR)
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Commie civil wars are fun.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 13, 2024 01:09 PM (W/1m5)
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"for giving the appearance of bias."
appearance... nice way of saying they fucking lied and cheated their way to support harris...
appearance... nice way of saying they fucking lied and cheated their way to support harris...
Posted by: SturmToddler at September 13, 2024 01:09 PM (v6XNT)
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for a lucky few of us, it started six minutes ago!
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:06 PM (KRtlO)
I belong to the Unlucky Many gang.
I think I will order a dirty chai latte as consolation
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:06 PM (KRtlO)
I belong to the Unlucky Many gang.
I think I will order a dirty chai latte as consolation
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:09 PM (dCxaZ)
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Don't use your faith to set yourself up as judge.
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at September 13, 2024 01:10 PM (SfhV1)
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I think there are internal dynamics at play within the Dem party. Harris was always a Clinton camp lackey. Bill used to go around campaigning for her. She was, also, the concession of Obama to install her as Biden's running mate since they absolutely screwed Hillary in those primaries. They actually cheated down in SC to install Obama, and Hillary had to concede the primary elections.
But, now...I think Obama has co-oped Harris away from Clinton by chasing Biden out of the race with a threat of the 25th amend. The Clintons are pissed and so is Joe, who is not running around with a Trump hat.
But, now...I think Obama has co-oped Harris away from Clinton by chasing Biden out of the race with a threat of the 25th amend. The Clintons are pissed and so is Joe, who is not running around with a Trump hat.
Posted by: Orson at September 13, 2024 01:10 PM (dIske)
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So we now have two as-of-yet unsubstantiated claims that, if proven, could hit Harris/Walz below the water line: (1) she was given the questions before the debate; and (2) Walz is the pedo he totally seems to be. And Joe diGenova does not appear to be involved in either allegation, so there is at least a slight possibility that at least one of the claims might be substantiated.
Posted by: Anti-Faucist at September 13, 2024 01:10 PM (qUkBO)
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Pope Francis to children: "All religions are paths to reach God ... some are Sikh, Muslim, Hindu, Christians; they are different ways to God."
hi parish! this is why our envelopes stay empty
hi parish! this is why our envelopes stay empty
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2024 01:10 PM (s3qiR)
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Interesting that former Clinton people seem to be siding with Trump. Are they also former leftists or are they still leftists and just hate Kneepads that much?
Maybe they think there's still time to parachute her in to the race.
Maybe they think there's still time to parachute her in to the race.
Posted by: t-bird at September 13, 2024 01:10 PM (hnMW+)
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(tries to think of time when Trump hasn't eventually been shown to have been in a no-lose situation)
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:10 PM (LKNus)
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actually -- it's overstating it to say he has "a LOT" of rightish opinions. But he does have some. He opposes the Democrat-Media Party's crushing of free speech, for one.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:10 PM (KRtlO)
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i should have said, Mark Penn has a LOT of opinions on the rightish side these days. He's not really a "Clinton person" any longer.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:07 PM
cui bono?
I always wonder when I see someone like Penn talking sense
i should have said, Mark Penn has a LOT of opinions on the rightish side these days. He's not really a "Clinton person" any longer.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:07 PM
cui bono?
I always wonder when I see someone like Penn talking sense
Posted by: AltonJackson at September 13, 2024 01:10 PM (bEb2S)
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I really would like to see the end of 11-dimensional chess. Like "Sarah Palin resigning from the governorship is really a masterstroke that sets her up to be president."
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:05 PM (KRtlO)
You're arguing with like 5% of Trump or Palin supporters though. Do you think all Trump supporters should argue with only the worst of DeSantis fags?
There are plenty of regular DeSantis people but I can constantly fret about and talk to the fags only, too.
It would skyrocket my bp. And I think that's what it's doing to you.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:05 PM (KRtlO)
You're arguing with like 5% of Trump or Palin supporters though. Do you think all Trump supporters should argue with only the worst of DeSantis fags?
There are plenty of regular DeSantis people but I can constantly fret about and talk to the fags only, too.
It would skyrocket my bp. And I think that's what it's doing to you.
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 01:10 PM (U/CEs)
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"I strongly opposed Trump doing this debate on the Disney Groomer News Network, particularly because Kamala Harris refused to do a Fox debate. If she can veto a network, so can Trump.
Trump is way too confident of himself a lot of the time. He thinks he can charm anyone and out-fox anyone."
Counterpoint: Trump thought he was in a no-lose situation. Either the moderators make it look biased as hell (which they did) or he just plain curb stomps her.
Notice, ABC and Springfield, Ohio are grabbing more attention than anything Kamala said or did.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:04 PM (KbCG3)
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I said immediately that if nothing comes out of the debate but the "eating pets" angle, it was a win for us. Days later and that's all normal people are talking about. The memes are FIRE.
The initial reaction that Kumswala "won" the debate? Gone.
Taylor Shit's cat-pedo endorsement? Gone.
Initial reactions that Trump underperformed? Gone.
Whatever Trump's performance was or was not at the debate, he has to be very happy the way the aftermath played out. He was helped by Kumswala herself, who botched the messaging for someone who supposed won.
Trump is way too confident of himself a lot of the time. He thinks he can charm anyone and out-fox anyone."
Counterpoint: Trump thought he was in a no-lose situation. Either the moderators make it look biased as hell (which they did) or he just plain curb stomps her.
Notice, ABC and Springfield, Ohio are grabbing more attention than anything Kamala said or did.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:04 PM (KbCG3)
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I said immediately that if nothing comes out of the debate but the "eating pets" angle, it was a win for us. Days later and that's all normal people are talking about. The memes are FIRE.
The initial reaction that Kumswala "won" the debate? Gone.
Taylor Shit's cat-pedo endorsement? Gone.
Initial reactions that Trump underperformed? Gone.
Whatever Trump's performance was or was not at the debate, he has to be very happy the way the aftermath played out. He was helped by Kumswala herself, who botched the messaging for someone who supposed won.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 13, 2024 01:10 PM (iFTx/)
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27 >>.22 Interesting that former Clinton people seem to be siding with Trump. Are they also former leftists or are they still leftists and just hate Kneepads that much?
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The Clintons were suits like Biden. Obama was a savior and righteous leader of the faith. The press fell in love with the Pritzker's creation - the Harry Potter President. Biden is the drop pistol. Its easy to rob a bank. The hard part is getting away with all the money.
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The Clintons were suits like Biden. Obama was a savior and righteous leader of the faith. The press fell in love with the Pritzker's creation - the Harry Potter President. Biden is the drop pistol. Its easy to rob a bank. The hard part is getting away with all the money.
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 13, 2024 01:10 PM (W3T6M)
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the body language.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2024 01:09 PM (s3qiR)
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Harris's pretentious mugging for the camera was infuriating.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2024 01:09 PM (s3qiR)
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Harris's pretentious mugging for the camera was infuriating.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 13, 2024 01:11 PM (YqDXo)
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I'm just gonna say on Debate night I was furious that Trump agreed to do this... I've mellowed a bit and think it's probably a wash...
Posted by: It's me donna at September 13, 2024 01:11 PM (IyPmt)
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But, now...I think Obama has co-oped Harris away from Clinton by chasing Biden out of the race with a threat of the 25th amend. The Clintons are pissed and so is Joe, who is not running around with a Trump hat.
Orson this seems to be the case. there is no reason for Penn to be piping up here.
Orson this seems to be the case. there is no reason for Penn to be piping up here.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2024 01:11 PM (s3qiR)
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Its obvious to anyone wth half a brain that Kamala Harris won that debate on her own merits, with concise direct answers to every question and clearly articulated policy positions.
Posted by: Chris Hayes at September 13, 2024 01:11 PM (Ybyk2)
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LOLWUT?
C'mon, man. I mean, it might be interesting from the standpoint of "a Clintonista is publicly bucking the Harris camp" but this is just so much noise.
"Third-party investigation?" Prove a "scheme?" This is American politics. There are no neutral parties, not anywhere. There are no standards, practices or mechanisms for proof, evidence or guilt. We're in the stage where everything is a blind assertion, guilt is relative and innocence is impossible.
C'mon, man. I mean, it might be interesting from the standpoint of "a Clintonista is publicly bucking the Harris camp" but this is just so much noise.
"Third-party investigation?" Prove a "scheme?" This is American politics. There are no neutral parties, not anywhere. There are no standards, practices or mechanisms for proof, evidence or guilt. We're in the stage where everything is a blind assertion, guilt is relative and innocence is impossible.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 13, 2024 01:11 PM (HnUIn)
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(unless there is breaking news)
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:07 PM
Yeah, if you want an early day don't do any research on what Putin just said about the Nato long range cruise missile weapons about to be deployed on Russia.
(unless there is breaking news)
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:07 PM
Yeah, if you want an early day don't do any research on what Putin just said about the Nato long range cruise missile weapons about to be deployed on Russia.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 13, 2024 01:11 PM (RKVpM)
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OK. We investigated and found no bias, or even appearance of bias. Case closed.
Posted by: ABC at September 13, 2024 01:11 PM (GUOwU)
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I guess this is a further nail in the TDS Tard Kidz assertion that Kamblabla smoked Trump in the debate.
Literally nobody believes this except them.
When you have a Clinton Hitman calling bullsh*t on the debate, then, objectively, Kamblabla is not seen to have won.
Literally nobody believes this except them.
When you have a Clinton Hitman calling bullsh*t on the debate, then, objectively, Kamblabla is not seen to have won.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 13, 2024 01:11 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM (Odg76)
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i should have said, Mark Penn has a LOT of opinions on the rightish side these days. He's not really a "Clinton person" any longer.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:07 PM (KRtlO)
Ah. Thanks for the clarification.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:07 PM (KRtlO)
Ah. Thanks for the clarification.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM (s9EYN)
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>>> 34 Ace, it was posted below. We very well may live in a post-2008 timeline where the Pope isn't a Christian:
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And now, Bible Study Moment with Pope Frankie Goes To Hollywood.
Pope Francis to children: "All religions are paths to reach God ... some are Sikh, Muslim, Hindu, Christians; they are different ways to God."
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Ahh, the sacrament of the suicide bombings.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 13, 2024 12:51 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:08 PM (LKNus)
You don't expect me to BELIEVE in that stuff, do you?!
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And now, Bible Study Moment with Pope Frankie Goes To Hollywood.
Pope Francis to children: "All religions are paths to reach God ... some are Sikh, Muslim, Hindu, Christians; they are different ways to God."
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Ahh, the sacrament of the suicide bombings.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 13, 2024 12:51 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:08 PM (LKNus)
You don't expect me to BELIEVE in that stuff, do you?!
Posted by: Pope Frankie Goes To Hollywood at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM (FnneF)
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The earrings Harris wore look exactly like some H1 audio earpieces. If they were, it would be useful to have Harris' mic off (so as not to pick up the earpiece audio), while her coaches advised her on the next question.
Would be interesting to see if it ever looked like Harris was listening to her earpiece, but I'm not that interested.
X link
https://tinyurl.com/3nnysmpp
Would be interesting to see if it ever looked like Harris was listening to her earpiece, but I'm not that interested.
X link
https://tinyurl.com/3nnysmpp
Posted by: illiniwek at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM (Cus5s)
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>>>That said, he's coming out of this looking better than I felt he would right after.
right, but this is just the fundamentals of the race reasserting themselves -- it's not that Trump did well at the debate.
I guess it's true that people saw Kamala Harris continuing to dodge on what her positions actually are, without the media "reassuring" us about what they're being told by anonymous unnamed aides.
right, but this is just the fundamentals of the race reasserting themselves -- it's not that Trump did well at the debate.
I guess it's true that people saw Kamala Harris continuing to dodge on what her positions actually are, without the media "reassuring" us about what they're being told by anonymous unnamed aides.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM (KRtlO)
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for a lucky few of us, it started six minutes ago!
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And you still haven't given us a LOTR reading update?
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And you still haven't given us a LOTR reading update?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM (GBKbO)
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It was the first thought I had, and was confirmed when the "moderators" began openly debating Trump during the debate.
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I cannot think of a single presidential debate that I have ever seen where the moderators served the purpose of a moderator. Ever. Not one. The "moderators" are always participants. They just rejiggered the rules to do it just a tad bit (but really only a tad bit) more publicly than usual.
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I cannot think of a single presidential debate that I have ever seen where the moderators served the purpose of a moderator. Ever. Not one. The "moderators" are always participants. They just rejiggered the rules to do it just a tad bit (but really only a tad bit) more publicly than usual.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM (HnUIn)
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15 >>>Counterpoint: Trump thought he was in a no-lose situation. Either the moderators make it look biased as hell (which they did) or he just plain curb stomps her.
i don't play this game of "try to think of ways in which Trump's failure turned out to be a win." A lot of people enjoy playing this game online, I don't. sometimes a mistake is just a mistake. it's not all 11-dimensional chess.
I'm beginning to wonder if your faith is weak.
i don't play this game of "try to think of ways in which Trump's failure turned out to be a win." A lot of people enjoy playing this game online, I don't. sometimes a mistake is just a mistake. it's not all 11-dimensional chess.
I'm beginning to wonder if your faith is weak.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM (xCA6C)
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I said immediately that if nothing comes out of the debate but the "eating pets" angle, it was a win for us. Days later and that's all normal people are talking about. The memes are FIRE.
The initial reaction that Kumswala "won" the debate? Gone.
Taylor Shit's cat-pedo endorsement? Gone.
Initial reactions that Trump underperformed? Gone.
Whatever Trump's performance was or was not at the debate, he has to be very happy the way the aftermath played out. He was helped by Kumswala herself, who botched the messaging for someone who supposed won.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 13, 2024 01:10 PM (iFTx/)
Absolutely the same. Three days out and it's clear he won. I haven't heard or seen a thing that relates to something Kamala said during the debate. It's like she wasn't even there.
The initial reaction that Kumswala "won" the debate? Gone.
Taylor Shit's cat-pedo endorsement? Gone.
Initial reactions that Trump underperformed? Gone.
Whatever Trump's performance was or was not at the debate, he has to be very happy the way the aftermath played out. He was helped by Kumswala herself, who botched the messaging for someone who supposed won.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 13, 2024 01:10 PM (iFTx/)
Absolutely the same. Three days out and it's clear he won. I haven't heard or seen a thing that relates to something Kamala said during the debate. It's like she wasn't even there.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM (KbCG3)
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>>. Ace, it was posted below. We very well may live in a post-2008 timeline where the Pope isn't a Christian:
i saw that.
i saw that.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM (KRtlO)
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32 I still say it's way too early to claim Trump doing this debate was a mistake. With each passing day it looks less likely to be the case and not just because of Harris.
Trump's biggest enemy, hell, all of our biggest enemy, is the media. Without them the left would be a broken toy. Even if we never get confirmation of collusion between ABC and the Harris campaign it's so obvious everyone can see it. Even the Clinton's favorite pollster admits it and that's a huge blow for the media.
Destroying corporate media is paramount if we are going to save the republic.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2024 01:08 PM (LkLld)
I agree - the media's play just gives Trump and us even more ammunition to say "if they lied about this, what else have they lied about"...
Americans always want a fair fight...when they don't see one, they blame the folks who cheated.
I mean, the 2 things remembered about this debate are "Ohio is eating cats/has a huge immigrant problem" and "ABC cheated to help Kamala"...does anyone remember anything else in this 24 hour news cycle we have?
Trump's biggest enemy, hell, all of our biggest enemy, is the media. Without them the left would be a broken toy. Even if we never get confirmation of collusion between ABC and the Harris campaign it's so obvious everyone can see it. Even the Clinton's favorite pollster admits it and that's a huge blow for the media.
Destroying corporate media is paramount if we are going to save the republic.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2024 01:08 PM (LkLld)
I agree - the media's play just gives Trump and us even more ammunition to say "if they lied about this, what else have they lied about"...
Americans always want a fair fight...when they don't see one, they blame the folks who cheated.
I mean, the 2 things remembered about this debate are "Ohio is eating cats/has a huge immigrant problem" and "ABC cheated to help Kamala"...does anyone remember anything else in this 24 hour news cycle we have?
Posted by: Nova Local at September 13, 2024 01:13 PM (exHjb)
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Trump had to do one interview. He did it and he played to shy undecided. No big deal. Kammy still has to sell something to make the clowns wet their pants. So far its a no sale.
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 13, 2024 01:13 PM (W3T6M)
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Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2024 01:11 PM (s3qiR)
I'm glad you're here, I have a question for you:
my friends want to take me to Continental Midtown for my birfday, drinks on the rooftop deck. Good idea??
I'm glad you're here, I have a question for you:
my friends want to take me to Continental Midtown for my birfday, drinks on the rooftop deck. Good idea??
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:13 PM (dCxaZ)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2024 01:13 PM (Odg76)
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ABC/Disney is a hive of scum and villainy. Extirpate!
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 13, 2024 01:13 PM (Aqu9a)
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Joe Mannix Johnson is right! American politics are (is?) amoral at heart
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:13 PM (/7KEl)
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I don't think much of "getting the questions in advance." These were pretty obvious questions. I mean, it was strange that in an election in which voters say the top issues are the economy, crime, and immigration, the "moderators" asked one question about each and spent the rest of the time on abortion, January 6th, the environment, and, of course, Trump's racism. But that was entirely predictable.
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Agree, but there's something else, too. If either party had been given the questions in advance, that party would have answered them.
Nobody answered questions in that "debate." The candidates gave their stump speeches in two-minute increments, and the "moderators" did the same.
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Agree, but there's something else, too. If either party had been given the questions in advance, that party would have answered them.
Nobody answered questions in that "debate." The candidates gave their stump speeches in two-minute increments, and the "moderators" did the same.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 13, 2024 01:14 PM (HnUIn)
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I think I will order a dirty chai latte as consolation
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:09 PM (dCxaZ)
What is in that?
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:09 PM (dCxaZ)
What is in that?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 13, 2024 01:14 PM (s9EYN)
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Well, the shooting has indeed started. Unfortunately, self-defense is not a defense in Massachusetts.
https://tinyurl.com/ynmekxef
Posted by: Huck Follywood
Scott Hayes, 47, of Framingham, is charged with assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, as well as violation of a constitutional right causing injury,
That second charge is amazing. Palestinian protestors have a right to tackle and attack pro-Israeli protestors lol
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 13, 2024 12:58 PM (Gsm3m)
Understand where we are, blue hell-hole residents. You get attacked, you lawfully defend yourself, you get charged with a crime.
https://tinyurl.com/ynmekxef
Posted by: Huck Follywood
Scott Hayes, 47, of Framingham, is charged with assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, as well as violation of a constitutional right causing injury,
That second charge is amazing. Palestinian protestors have a right to tackle and attack pro-Israeli protestors lol
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 13, 2024 12:58 PM (Gsm3m)
Understand where we are, blue hell-hole residents. You get attacked, you lawfully defend yourself, you get charged with a crime.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 13, 2024 01:14 PM (i24o9)
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What is more interesting to me is the claim that they gave her "assurances" that she would benefit from constant "fact"-checks of Trump's statements. Which seemed to me to be the only way to read the situation.
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Anonymous sources tell me that Muir and Davis were at Harris’ prep sessions.
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Anonymous sources tell me that Muir and Davis were at Harris’ prep sessions.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 13, 2024 01:14 PM (aIU4O)
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The ABC "moderators" were the chatroom equivalent of the "well, AK-shually..." dolt, who can't see the forest for the trees, disagreeing with a minor technical fault when the overwhelming substance of an argument is 100% correct and verifiable.
Posted by: red speck at September 13, 2024 01:14 PM (0Id0S)
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I cannot think of a single presidential debate that I have ever seen where the moderators served the purpose of a moderator. Ever. Not one. The "moderators" are always participants.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM (HnUIn)
Who was that guy from PBS? Jim something. He wasn't too bad.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM (HnUIn)
Who was that guy from PBS? Jim something. He wasn't too bad.
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at September 13, 2024 01:14 PM (SfhV1)
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 13, 2024 01:14 PM (OAOhJ)
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They studied Trump's campaign speeches to "fact"-check him. They did not study Kamala's speeches. Otherwise, they would have been prepared for the "good people on both sides" and "bloodbath" lies. Or perhaps they're so in the leftwing bubble that these "journalists" still think those claims are true.
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Those lies are articles of faith now. They happened. They can't "fact-check" Harris' repetition of those lies without repudiating *years* of Official Truth.
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Those lies are articles of faith now. They happened. They can't "fact-check" Harris' repetition of those lies without repudiating *years* of Official Truth.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 13, 2024 01:15 PM (HnUIn)
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Have to admit you really nailed that one, ace. When I first heard about "assurances" I assumed just more generally they would go easy on her, like the Dana Bash "interview." You had a very specific immediate interpretation that turned out to be spot on.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at September 13, 2024 01:15 PM (IORSH)
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ace the framing the media/borg wanted was that she could just "look good" and not crash and burn and this was her winning.
but that's a false frame.
PDJT is a known quantity. He had nothing substantive to prove; we know how he will lead. SHE on the other hand DID. she needed to explain herself, make her case to the people. She very much did not.
SHE had the higher bar. She failed. People know she failed at making her case as a leader - and worse, she was being supported heavily by the two moderators.
it does not look.
but that's a false frame.
PDJT is a known quantity. He had nothing substantive to prove; we know how he will lead. SHE on the other hand DID. she needed to explain herself, make her case to the people. She very much did not.
SHE had the higher bar. She failed. People know she failed at making her case as a leader - and worse, she was being supported heavily by the two moderators.
it does not look.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2024 01:15 PM (s3qiR)
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The mainstream Trump supporter is like "I wish he could be different but he is what we have and he did his best in a stacked fight. But he's a warrior."
Some people think he won handily, some think it was a draw, some thing a draw or slight loss benefits him.
You want to focus on Trump is Grand Master In Control of Everything Playing Everyone Like His Own Fiddle People that's fine but it's your choice. I make no secret of the fact that I have supported Trump since I was getting yelled at by our own side that Hillary was better and I was an idiot. I'm allowed to like him and you're allowed to hate him or most things about him.
Some people won't like it the way some people won't like me for liking him. Oh well.
Some people think he won handily, some think it was a draw, some thing a draw or slight loss benefits him.
You want to focus on Trump is Grand Master In Control of Everything Playing Everyone Like His Own Fiddle People that's fine but it's your choice. I make no secret of the fact that I have supported Trump since I was getting yelled at by our own side that Hillary was better and I was an idiot. I'm allowed to like him and you're allowed to hate him or most things about him.
Some people won't like it the way some people won't like me for liking him. Oh well.
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 01:15 PM (U/CEs)
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There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born," /i]
Fuck you, you sanctimonious lying fake-Christian sub-human demonic piece of shit ghoul. "Partial-birth abortion" is the fig leaf you Moloch-worshipping cult orcs give to killing a baby after it's born.
Eat shit, die, and burn in Hell, bitch.
Fuck you, you sanctimonious lying fake-Christian sub-human demonic piece of shit ghoul. "Partial-birth abortion" is the fig leaf you Moloch-worshipping cult orcs give to killing a baby after it's born.
Eat shit, die, and burn in Hell, bitch.
Posted by: spindrift at September 13, 2024 01:15 PM (OguvZ)
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my friends want to take me to Continental Midtown for my birfday, drinks on the rooftop deck. Good idea??
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Do you trust you friends? Rooftop decks are pretty high and normally surrounded by concrete sidewalks.
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Do you trust you friends? Rooftop decks are pretty high and normally surrounded by concrete sidewalks.
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 13, 2024 01:15 PM (W3T6M)
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Twice in one day.
Twice in one day.
Posted by: spindrift at September 13, 2024 01:15 PM (OguvZ)
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Jim Lehrer, I believe.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 13, 2024 01:15 PM (W/1m5)
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A cousin of Davis set up a prayer meeting on Zoom as well.
The sanctimony is shtrong in this one
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:04 PM (dCxaZ)
this is just to assure you bible humping rubes that she's a christian like you and this is all an act of god and just shut up already...
The sanctimony is shtrong in this one
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:04 PM (dCxaZ)
this is just to assure you bible humping rubes that she's a christian like you and this is all an act of god and just shut up already...
Posted by: SturmToddler at September 13, 2024 01:15 PM (v6XNT)
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I expect nothing to come out of it but I do hope Trump talks about this during his rallies. The media will rant and scream but the ordinary Joe might catch wind of it and think hmmm, let me go check this out. Just like the pet eating issue Trump highlighted during the debate.
Posted by: IC - #FJB at September 13, 2024 01:16 PM (YiKO5)
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Not for nothing, but that foo, @LeadingReport, "reports" mostly bullshit and lies and rumors.
Not for nothing, but that foo, @LeadingReport, "reports" mostly bullshit and lies and rumors.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 13, 2024 01:16 PM (OAOhJ)
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I am not suicidal and never walk through city parks alone at night.
Posted by: Mark Penn at September 13, 2024 01:16 PM (/U5Yz)
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>>>cui bono?
I always wonder when I see someone like Penn talking sense
if I had to guess, it's just the same thing that a lot of people are going through, realizing the Democrat Party is just Marxist and authoritarian now, and also, as a bonus, hopelessly, flailingly incompetent. I don't think it's because his bread is getting buttered on the other side now or anything.
I always wonder when I see someone like Penn talking sense
if I had to guess, it's just the same thing that a lot of people are going through, realizing the Democrat Party is just Marxist and authoritarian now, and also, as a bonus, hopelessly, flailingly incompetent. I don't think it's because his bread is getting buttered on the other side now or anything.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:16 PM (KRtlO)
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Like China, the Left is very proud of their cheating/stealing abilities.
And their ability to destroy the good character of their enemies.
And their ability to destroy the good character of their enemies.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 13, 2024 01:16 PM (Cus5s)
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85 Have to admit you really nailed that one, ace. When I first heard about "assurances" I assumed just more generally they would go easy on her, like the Dana Bash "interview." You had a very specific immediate interpretation that turned out to be spot on.
yes absolutely ace you were completely correct. good call.
yes absolutely ace you were completely correct. good call.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2024 01:16 PM (s3qiR)
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In the last thread, someone posted a poll that said Arkansas was +7 for Harris.
There are no words for how wrong that is. I'm laughing at how wrong it it.
There are no words for how wrong that is. I'm laughing at how wrong it it.
Posted by: Arkansas Conservative at September 13, 2024 01:16 PM (pZ0Mr)
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@82
>>Who was that guy from PBS? Jim something. He wasn't too bad.
Jim Leheher of the McNeil and Leherer PBS news hour.
He moderated the debate Romney Smoked The Kenyan Dog Eater.
He had the novel approach of introducing a topic for discussion and then shut the f**k up and let the two candidates go at it without interrupting of fact checking them.
>>Who was that guy from PBS? Jim something. He wasn't too bad.
Jim Leheher of the McNeil and Leherer PBS news hour.
He moderated the debate Romney Smoked The Kenyan Dog Eater.
He had the novel approach of introducing a topic for discussion and then shut the f**k up and let the two candidates go at it without interrupting of fact checking them.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 13, 2024 01:16 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at September 13, 2024 01:17 PM (SfhV1)
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>>Interesting that former Clinton people seem to be siding with Trump. Are they also former leftists or are they still leftists and just hate Kneepads that much?
How about Tulsi? RFK Jr.? The Cheney's going to Harris?
We are past D vs R. It's now a race between freedom and tyranny. There are a lot of old school Democrats who don't agree with the marxist turn the party has taken and there are a lot of RINO globalists who are going over to the other side.
Ukraine is emblematic of the bigger dynamic at work. We were lied into a war of choice by the globalists and now they are determined to take us right to the edge of destruction. Lots of people who may not like Trump like seeing us run headlong into WWIII and if we get Harris that's exactly what will happen and our liberties will be further eroded.
How about Tulsi? RFK Jr.? The Cheney's going to Harris?
We are past D vs R. It's now a race between freedom and tyranny. There are a lot of old school Democrats who don't agree with the marxist turn the party has taken and there are a lot of RINO globalists who are going over to the other side.
Ukraine is emblematic of the bigger dynamic at work. We were lied into a war of choice by the globalists and now they are determined to take us right to the edge of destruction. Lots of people who may not like Trump like seeing us run headlong into WWIII and if we get Harris that's exactly what will happen and our liberties will be further eroded.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2024 01:17 PM (LkLld)
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> Pope Francis to children: "All religions are paths to reach God ... some are Sikh, Muslim, Hindu, Christians; they are different ways to God."
Pope Francis needs to spend more time reading the Bible.
John 10: 7-10
Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
I ask you, do those scriptures sound like Pope Francis' "many roads lead to Heaven" message?
Pope Francis needs to spend more time reading the Bible.
John 10: 7-10
Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
I ask you, do those scriptures sound like Pope Francis' "many roads lead to Heaven" message?
Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2024 01:17 PM (Odg76)
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99 In the last thread, someone posted a poll that said Arkansas was +7 for Harris.
There are no words for how wrong that is. I'm laughing at how wrong it it.
Posted by: Arkansas Conservative at September 13, 2024 01:16 PM (pZ0Mr)
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Pretty sure it's a meme.
Nonsense, non-existing polling firm. Unrealistic result.
There are no words for how wrong that is. I'm laughing at how wrong it it.
Posted by: Arkansas Conservative at September 13, 2024 01:16 PM (pZ0Mr)
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Pretty sure it's a meme.
Nonsense, non-existing polling firm. Unrealistic result.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 13, 2024 01:17 PM (GBKbO)
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"I don't think much of "getting the questions in advance." These were pretty obvious questions. I mean, it was strange that in an election in which voters say the top issues are the economy, crime, and immigration, the "moderators" asked one question about each and spent the rest of the time on abortion, January 6th, the environment, and, of course, Trump's racism. But that was entirely predictable."
But, if true, there were other questions that could have been asked, and Harris knew ahead of time that they wouldn't be, which significantly aided her preparation.
But, if true, there were other questions that could have been asked, and Harris knew ahead of time that they wouldn't be, which significantly aided her preparation.
Posted by: Anti-Faucist at September 13, 2024 01:17 PM (qUkBO)
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>>.Not for nothing, but that foo, @LeadingReport, "reports" mostly bullshit and lies and rumors.
right, and the guy who's making this claim is someone I never heard of who uses a pseudonym (and we all know never to trust content from a guy who uses a pseudonym).
I just gave it a little mention because this idea is "in the air," you know? Not really a good reason to give it credence, I admit.
right, and the guy who's making this claim is someone I never heard of who uses a pseudonym (and we all know never to trust content from a guy who uses a pseudonym).
I just gave it a little mention because this idea is "in the air," you know? Not really a good reason to give it credence, I admit.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:17 PM (KRtlO)
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I still say it's way too early to claim Trump doing this debate was a mistake.
I think he tossed a bunch of depth charges into the social media waters. They seem to be hitting home now. The big one is the deadly "why didn't you do this the last four years?!" refrain.
I think he tossed a bunch of depth charges into the social media waters. They seem to be hitting home now. The big one is the deadly "why didn't you do this the last four years?!" refrain.
Posted by: t-bird at September 13, 2024 01:17 PM (5IEcl)
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“ I don't think much of "getting the questions in advance." These were pretty obvious questions. ”
Completely disagree, Ace. The very nature of the act begets its importance. This is especially true when the person receiving those questions is not a skilled debater, has very poor memory skills and a history of not being able to speak extemporaneously. This allows practiced repetition of responses to the point that small snippets can be turned into programmed responses, and that’s what Kamala did. Trump greatly assisted that process because his ego won’t let anything go that even remotely bruises it. He was undisciplined and missed an enormous opportunity to further explicate his positions and point out the substantial flaws in hers. All to satiate his psyche.
Completely disagree, Ace. The very nature of the act begets its importance. This is especially true when the person receiving those questions is not a skilled debater, has very poor memory skills and a history of not being able to speak extemporaneously. This allows practiced repetition of responses to the point that small snippets can be turned into programmed responses, and that’s what Kamala did. Trump greatly assisted that process because his ego won’t let anything go that even remotely bruises it. He was undisciplined and missed an enormous opportunity to further explicate his positions and point out the substantial flaws in hers. All to satiate his psyche.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 13, 2024 01:17 PM (rvRiq)
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ABC to launch an internal probe of itself? Is that like an enema or a ben-wa balls?
ABC to launch an internal probe of itself? Is that like an enema or a ben-wa balls?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 13, 2024 01:18 PM (x0n13)
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Wacky prediction time:
I 92% guarantee, by Monday, the harris campaign will say she's in favor of deporting illegals.
Wacky prediction time:
I 92% guarantee, by Monday, the harris campaign will say she's in favor of deporting illegals.
Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 13, 2024 01:18 PM (OAOhJ)
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>>Who was that guy from PBS? Jim something. He wasn't too bad.
Jim Leheher of the McNeil and Leherer PBS news hour.
He moderated the debate Romney Smoked The Kenyan Dog Eater.
He had the novel approach of introducing a topic for discussion and then shut the f**k up and let the two candidates go at it without interrupting of fact checking them.
what an idea!!!
Jim Leheher of the McNeil and Leherer PBS news hour.
He moderated the debate Romney Smoked The Kenyan Dog Eater.
He had the novel approach of introducing a topic for discussion and then shut the f**k up and let the two candidates go at it without interrupting of fact checking them.
what an idea!!!
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:18 PM (KRtlO)
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I still say it's way too early to claim Trump doing this debate was a mistake. With each passing day it looks less likely to be the case and not just because of Harris.
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Weirdly Hugh Hewitt says by this weekend people will be saying Trump was the clear winner. And that appears to be happening.
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Weirdly Hugh Hewitt says by this weekend people will be saying Trump was the clear winner. And that appears to be happening.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 13, 2024 01:18 PM (aIU4O)
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"as well as assurances that Trump would be "fact-checked" and she would not."
and not just "fact checked", but checked us false "facts".
and not just "fact checked", but checked us false "facts".
Posted by: illiniwek at September 13, 2024 01:18 PM (Cus5s)
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I think it's a waste of resources and time to hit ABC over the debate. Other than the most in-the-tank Dems, and totally ignorant non-political people, everyone knew the network would be biased. It's understood. It's baked in.
That doesn't make it fair, but it is what it is.
Win the election. That's the best revenge.
That doesn't make it fair, but it is what it is.
Win the election. That's the best revenge.
Posted by: Shenanigans at September 13, 2024 01:18 PM (pZ0Mr)
Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 13, 2024 01:19 PM (OAOhJ)
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110
Wacky prediction time:
I 92% guarantee, by Monday, the harris campaign will say she's in favor of deporting illegals.
Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 13, 2024 01:18 PM (OAOhJ)
Anyone not verified as Leftist will be an illegal.
Wacky prediction time:
I 92% guarantee, by Monday, the harris campaign will say she's in favor of deporting illegals.
Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 13, 2024 01:18 PM (OAOhJ)
Anyone not verified as Leftist will be an illegal.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 13, 2024 01:19 PM (x0n13)
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Marcu and Anti-Faucist are correct; it was a massive gift for Commie to prep
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2024 01:19 PM (s3qiR)
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Something Ace missed. The "moderators" spent weeks studying what Trump says and preparing their "fact checks" and all of their fact checks have been proven wrong especially the abortion fact checks that Davis is STILL saying she's super proud of. Wrap that around your brain. They knew Trump would talk about late term abortion and Northam and born alive stuff and they still got all those fact checks wrong. Evil, sociopathic monsters.
Posted by: Bad Take Directorate at September 13, 2024 01:19 PM (n1ccf)
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Lehrer got a lot of shit for that, by the way.
All of these reporters mau-mau the other reporters into following the party line. That's why Fox debates are just as bad as ABC ones -- they're playing to the most important audience, other disgusting leftwing "journalists," looking for approval.
All of these reporters mau-mau the other reporters into following the party line. That's why Fox debates are just as bad as ABC ones -- they're playing to the most important audience, other disgusting leftwing "journalists," looking for approval.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:19 PM (KRtlO)
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... He had the novel approach of introducing a topic for discussion and then shut the f**k up and let the two candidates go at it without interrupting of fact checking them.
what an idea!!!
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:18 PM (KRtlO)
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That's soooooo old-fashioned
what an idea!!!
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:18 PM (KRtlO)
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That's soooooo old-fashioned
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 13, 2024 01:19 PM (HnUIn)
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106 >>.Not for nothing, but that foo, @LeadingReport, "reports" mostly bullshit and lies and rumors.
Correct.. Even Gateway Pundit who thrives on false stories didn't run with it...
Correct.. Even Gateway Pundit who thrives on false stories didn't run with it...
Posted by: It's me donna at September 13, 2024 01:19 PM (IyPmt)
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I said immediately that if nothing comes out of the debate but the "eating pets" angle, it was a win for us. Days later and that's all normal people are talking about. The memes are FIRE.
The initial reaction that Kumswala "won" the debate? Gone.
Taylor Shit's cat-pedo endorsement? Gone.
Initial reactions that Trump underperformed? Gone.
Whatever Trump's performance was or was not at the debate, he has to be very happy the way the aftermath played out. He was helped by Kumswala herself, who botched the messaging for someone who supposed won.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 13, 2024 01:10 PM (iFTx/)
Absolutely the same. Three days out and it's clear he won. I haven't heard or seen a thing that relates to something Kamala said during the debate. It's like she wasn't even there.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM (KbCG3)
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Was she? It was more like Trump debating the moderators with some rando whore also on stage for some reason.
The initial reaction that Kumswala "won" the debate? Gone.
Taylor Shit's cat-pedo endorsement? Gone.
Initial reactions that Trump underperformed? Gone.
Whatever Trump's performance was or was not at the debate, he has to be very happy the way the aftermath played out. He was helped by Kumswala herself, who botched the messaging for someone who supposed won.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 13, 2024 01:10 PM (iFTx/)
Absolutely the same. Three days out and it's clear he won. I haven't heard or seen a thing that relates to something Kamala said during the debate. It's like she wasn't even there.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM (KbCG3)
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Was she? It was more like Trump debating the moderators with some rando whore also on stage for some reason.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 13, 2024 01:20 PM (iFTx/)
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don't like
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2024 01:20 PM (LkLld)
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>>>cui bono?
I always wonder when I see someone like Penn talking sense
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Same. Donna Brazile came up earlier today; specifically, her writing a book publicly acknowledging DNC primary rigging she discovered during her brief term as DNC head (brought in to clean up). She said she feared for her life for revealing this stuff.
And yet, you'd never know she ever dared to stray, she's been right back into the Democrat party fold, uttering the day's talking points and accusations like a good party member. She chose that rather than retiring, leaving the party - anything that would demonstrate that she could no longer respect a party that did such things.
I always wonder when I see someone like Penn talking sense
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Same. Donna Brazile came up earlier today; specifically, her writing a book publicly acknowledging DNC primary rigging she discovered during her brief term as DNC head (brought in to clean up). She said she feared for her life for revealing this stuff.
And yet, you'd never know she ever dared to stray, she's been right back into the Democrat party fold, uttering the day's talking points and accusations like a good party member. She chose that rather than retiring, leaving the party - anything that would demonstrate that she could no longer respect a party that did such things.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 13, 2024 01:20 PM (Pijte)
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The Clinton cabal is looking at 2028. They already know 2024 is over, or close to it, and want to clear the field.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 13, 2024 01:20 PM (lTGtQ)
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Methinks Leading Report is leaning into the “true” category. Why? The media is already trying to kill and dismiss it like it’s a plague. It looks coordinated and they are all once again reading from the same script.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 13, 2024 01:20 PM (rvRiq)
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ABC to launch an internal probe of itself? Is that like an enema or a ben-wa balls?
*tries to develop alien joke, fails*
*tries to develop alien joke, fails*
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:20 PM (xCA6C)
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Trump is way too confident of himself a lot of the time. He thinks he can charm anyone and out-fox anyone.
And when charming them fails, their treatment of him exposes their shriveled evilness. Maybe that's a win.
And when charming them fails, their treatment of him exposes their shriveled evilness. Maybe that's a win.
Posted by: Emmie at September 13, 2024 01:21 PM (cSvoa)
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They knew Trump would talk about late term abortion and Northam and born alive stuff and they still got all those fact checks wrong. Evil, sociopathic monsters.
Posted by: Bad Take Directorate at September 13, 2024 01:19 PM (n1ccf)
Like I said they're not protecting Harris over late term abortion, they and Harris are protecting late term abortion.
It's a big distinction.
Posted by: Bad Take Directorate at September 13, 2024 01:19 PM (n1ccf)
Like I said they're not protecting Harris over late term abortion, they and Harris are protecting late term abortion.
It's a big distinction.
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 01:21 PM (U/CEs)
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In the weeks before the debate, various scenarios were played out in table read-like settings where the anchors and ABC News producers tested their questions and played out the possible responses.
So you scripted it as much as possible. All theater. Keep telling us how you're a news organization, Always Be C*nts.
So you scripted it as much as possible. All theater. Keep telling us how you're a news organization, Always Be C*nts.
Posted by: spindrift at September 13, 2024 01:21 PM (OguvZ)
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How come only after the ABC debate did we find out that the head of ABC is Kamala's best friend, introduced Kamala to her future husband?
How come only after the ABC debate did we find out that the head of ABC is Kamala's best friend, introduced Kamala to her future husband?
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 13, 2024 01:21 PM (+oR7L)
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Some people won't like it the way some people won't like me for liking him. Oh well.
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 01:15 PM (U/CEs)
Life is too short to worry about who likes who or doesn't or what the mob is in a frenzy about this time.
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 01:15 PM (U/CEs)
Life is too short to worry about who likes who or doesn't or what the mob is in a frenzy about this time.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 13, 2024 01:21 PM (i24o9)
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As I said the night of the debate, when half the contingent here was sharpening their razor and drawing a warm bath:
Watch what people are talking about on Friday--that's who won the debate.
Not even the DU kiddos are talking about what Harris said at the debate...
Watch what people are talking about on Friday--that's who won the debate.
Not even the DU kiddos are talking about what Harris said at the debate...
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 13, 2024 01:21 PM (EItv/)
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Was she? It was more like Trump debating the moderators with some rando whore also on stage for some reason.
thats what it looked like too. her mugging and being weird and spouting nonsense while PDJT argued with two slick-looking midwit bullying moderators
thats what it looked like too. her mugging and being weird and spouting nonsense while PDJT argued with two slick-looking midwit bullying moderators
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2024 01:21 PM (s3qiR)
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I find ot amusing that Megyn Kelly is so outraged when they are pulling the same nonsense she did back when anyone cared what Erik Erikson thought.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 13, 2024 01:21 PM (ODhjI)
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Also please don't pay any attention to how she was able to suddenly become a talented public speaker who could call military vehicles by their very specific names (thanks rickb223) and bring up random throwaway quips from 20 minutes earlier.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:22 PM (LKNus)
Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 13, 2024 01:22 PM (OAOhJ)
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Did I call it on what those "assurances" were or did I call it?
This is one of the reasons I hang out here
This is one of the reasons I hang out here
Posted by: Emmie at September 13, 2024 01:22 PM (cSvoa)
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How come only after the ABC debate did we find out that the head of ABC is Kamala's best friend, introduced Kamala to her future husband?
nice little club they have, isn't it?
the MSM will never be reformed. Most of the higher ups are married to or related to UniParty scum
nice little club they have, isn't it?
the MSM will never be reformed. Most of the higher ups are married to or related to UniParty scum
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2024 01:22 PM (s3qiR)
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One of the key problems, I think, is that the entire "presidential debate" system is based on the press. The press is the cornerstone.
Why should the press be involved at all? Why should the moderators be reporters? Why are the moderators or the press outlet that provides them part of any negotiations in the first place?
Just select three people at random from Toastmasters chapters and fly them to the venue to act as moderators, with fixed debate rules like every formalized debate that is *not* a presidential "debate" follow. Just pick a system and draft moderators who know the rules. Done.
The press needn't be involved at all. I think there's a strong argument that the press *shouldn't* be involved at all.
Why should the press be involved at all? Why should the moderators be reporters? Why are the moderators or the press outlet that provides them part of any negotiations in the first place?
Just select three people at random from Toastmasters chapters and fly them to the venue to act as moderators, with fixed debate rules like every formalized debate that is *not* a presidential "debate" follow. Just pick a system and draft moderators who know the rules. Done.
The press needn't be involved at all. I think there's a strong argument that the press *shouldn't* be involved at all.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 13, 2024 01:22 PM (HnUIn)
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Ace: "They hate his guts. Literally. The media would actually pick up a gun and attempt to assassinate him if they weren't all mewling pussies."
Yesterday FreedomToons put out a hilarious debate video. My favorite line is Trump saying to the Leftist nutjob "interviewing" him after the nutjob threatens to murder him after the interview is done: "Many have tried, let's get on with the show."
youtu.be/nyvN6flbAWM
Yesterday FreedomToons put out a hilarious debate video. My favorite line is Trump saying to the Leftist nutjob "interviewing" him after the nutjob threatens to murder him after the interview is done: "Many have tried, let's get on with the show."
youtu.be/nyvN6flbAWM
Posted by: pookysgirl, predictably sleep-deprived at September 13, 2024 01:22 PM (dtlDP)
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Did Donna Brazil drop dead or was that just a dream? Maybe I'm thinking of that Gail chick who fellatioed Obama in one of his debates.
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 01:22 PM (U/CEs)
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The Trump boomerang affect is taking place yet again. His opponents, primarily due to raging TDS… ALWAYS overplay their hand and Trump comes out ahead. Despite “losing” the 3-on-1 debate its net effect is that his campaign is benefiting. So who really lost?
TDS…. Its real and it’s spectacular
TDS…. Its real and it’s spectacular
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 13, 2024 01:22 PM (ZtAny)
Posted by: Ribbed at September 13, 2024 01:22 PM (ODhjI)
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I continue to say the Left prefers their candidates to lie. It's why they all of a sudden fell in love with Biden. That guy will say anything. He doesn't care.
Kamala seems cut from the same cloth. Say anything. Move on.
Kamala seems cut from the same cloth. Say anything. Move on.
Posted by: blaster at September 13, 2024 01:23 PM (PH0k9)
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So all the "Christians " got together and prayed that God would help them push the abortion candidate?
Posted by: azjaeger at September 13, 2024 01:23 PM (bvEp2)
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Again, what can we normies do to hurt ABC (and all the rest)?
I cannot boycott them any more than I already do.
I suppose we could find out what their biggest advertiser is, or at least their biggest vulnerable advertiser, and organize a Bud Light style boycott, of we can pull it off. (If the biggest one is Ben and Jerry's we have to move on to #2. We cannot hurt them any more.)
I cannot boycott them any more than I already do.
I suppose we could find out what their biggest advertiser is, or at least their biggest vulnerable advertiser, and organize a Bud Light style boycott, of we can pull it off. (If the biggest one is Ben and Jerry's we have to move on to #2. We cannot hurt them any more.)
Posted by: Eeyore at September 13, 2024 01:23 PM (1bNHn)
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Mark Penn and Doug Schoen are old line traditional Democrat warhorses. I doubt any of the young Marxists would give a rats ass about what they say. However they might influence some conservative Dems , if they still exist, and independent voters.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 13, 2024 01:23 PM (hgmb+)
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If doing the debate was such a mistake how did this happen?
@EricLDaugh
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1h
🚨 Buzzfeed finds Trump leads with undecideds by 5 points post-debate, improves from pre-debate. WOW.
@EricLDaugh
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🚨 Buzzfeed finds Trump leads with undecideds by 5 points post-debate, improves from pre-debate. WOW.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2024 01:23 PM (LkLld)
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34 - Pope Francis to children: "All religions are paths to reach God ... some are Sikh, Muslim, Hindu, Christians; they are different ways to God."
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So satanism is just another path to reach God? Not buying it
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So satanism is just another path to reach God? Not buying it
Posted by: 496 at September 13, 2024 01:23 PM (1h4E5)
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For all we know this is Penn admitting the obvious thing to take it off the table as a discussion point. We have a whistleblower, there will be an investigation, let the investigation take it's course blah blah blah.
Old news.
MoveOn.org
Old news.
MoveOn.org
Posted by: Lizzy at September 13, 2024 01:23 PM (Pijte)
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There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born
former gov ralph 'coonman mcbabykiller' northam would like a word....
former gov ralph 'coonman mcbabykiller' northam would like a word....
Posted by: SturmToddler at September 13, 2024 01:23 PM (v6XNT)
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136 Also please don't pay any attention to how she was able to suddenly become a talented public speaker who could call military vehicles by their very specific names (thanks rickb223) and bring up random throwaway quips from 20 minutes earlier.
yep. and regardless of earrings her wig was fully overing one ear the entire night. it was sus. her manner again, it gave her away. you could practically smell the wood burning in her brain when Obama et al were giving her stuff to snap back with.
yep. and regardless of earrings her wig was fully overing one ear the entire night. it was sus. her manner again, it gave her away. you could practically smell the wood burning in her brain when Obama et al were giving her stuff to snap back with.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2024 01:23 PM (s3qiR)
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The reason getting the questions in advance was virtually meaningless is that every single question was obvious and easily anticipated. As were Trump's responses. Any remotely competent campaign would have prepared for exactly those questions. I suppose there could have been a mild benefit upon seeing the questions, and thinking "ah good, exactly what we were expecting" but other than that, not a big deal. There were not gotcha questions or surprise topics.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at September 13, 2024 01:23 PM (IORSH)
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@108
>>The very nature of the act begets its importance.
Well, it also allowed her to concentrate on the one thing she seemed most happy to do at the debate: Get Under Trumps Skin.
And I think that's what a lot of people are seeing post debate and are re-evaluating just who won the debate, the guy who came to debate or the sorority brat with a burn book full of sick burns and nothing else.
>>The very nature of the act begets its importance.
Well, it also allowed her to concentrate on the one thing she seemed most happy to do at the debate: Get Under Trumps Skin.
And I think that's what a lot of people are seeing post debate and are re-evaluating just who won the debate, the guy who came to debate or the sorority brat with a burn book full of sick burns and nothing else.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 13, 2024 01:23 PM (XV/Pl)
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I still say it's way too early to claim Trump doing this debate was a mistake. With each passing day it looks less likely to be the case and not just because of Harris.
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Weirdly Hugh Hewitt says by this weekend people will be saying Trump was the clear winner. And that appears to be happening.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 13, 2024 01:18 PM (aIU4O)
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See my comment ago. I think this is for two reasons: (1) Trump's performance, while maybe disappointing to certain demographics like hardcore conservatives like us, was quite effective to the few remaining undecides or moderates. (2) Kumswala botched the aftermath. Rolling out Taylor Shit's weird cat-lady endorsement -- which only reminded people of Trump's "they're eating the cats" line -- and immediately calling for another debate was idiotic. Two own-goals.
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Weirdly Hugh Hewitt says by this weekend people will be saying Trump was the clear winner. And that appears to be happening.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 13, 2024 01:18 PM (aIU4O)
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See my comment ago. I think this is for two reasons: (1) Trump's performance, while maybe disappointing to certain demographics like hardcore conservatives like us, was quite effective to the few remaining undecides or moderates. (2) Kumswala botched the aftermath. Rolling out Taylor Shit's weird cat-lady endorsement -- which only reminded people of Trump's "they're eating the cats" line -- and immediately calling for another debate was idiotic. Two own-goals.
Posted by: Doctor Elric the Blade at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (iFTx/)
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64 The earrings Harris wore look exactly like some H1 audio earpieces. If they were, it would be useful to have Harris' mic off (so as not to pick up the earpiece audio), while her coaches advised her on the next question.
X link
https://tinyurl.com/3nnysmpp
Posted by: illiniwek at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM
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They claim these are Tiffany earrings. Wonder if we can find them online? Tiffany certainly wouldn't have scrubbed them if they exist.
X link
https://tinyurl.com/3nnysmpp
Posted by: illiniwek at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM
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They claim these are Tiffany earrings. Wonder if we can find them online? Tiffany certainly wouldn't have scrubbed them if they exist.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (wzAuc)
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I've never seen a debate where they broadcast a split screen the entire time. And it's because Trump by himself is powerful and Kamala by herself looks week. So it was constant hectoring and mugging the entire time. They actually whipped out the Biden Smirk from almost the entire debate.
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (U/CEs)
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Any investigation will be kabuki, fake and ghey.
Posted by: Eromero at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (o2ZRX)
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In the weeks before the debate, various scenarios were played out in table read-like settings where the anchors and ABC News producers tested their questions and played out the possible responses.
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So not a moderator.
Because when I was moderating in college, you came in, sat down, and started the event. The only time you said anything was to politely end the speakers turn and move to the next topic if needed.
You certainly didn't call Fellow Travelers in advance to get quotes (IIRC appealing to authority) to "fact check" one of the teams.
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So not a moderator.
Because when I was moderating in college, you came in, sat down, and started the event. The only time you said anything was to politely end the speakers turn and move to the next topic if needed.
You certainly didn't call Fellow Travelers in advance to get quotes (IIRC appealing to authority) to "fact check" one of the teams.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (LKNus)
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In fairness, the "fact-checking"/moderator debating with the Republican candidate thing has gone on for awhile. Obviously in 2012 (it isn't just a "Trump" thing), or during one of the the 2020 debates when Chris Wallace described DEI propaganda as "sensitivity training."
Posted by: mikeybates at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (/4qWm)
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I would bet ABC gave Harris some idea of what the questions would be like, and she crafted canned responses that wouldn’t actually answer the question posed, knowing those newstwat mannequins wouldn’t press her.
But far worse is how every one of these goddam debates throw out every question from the left; climate change, abortion, etc. while barely touching ones that hurt Democrats like the border or inflation or crime.
But far worse is how every one of these goddam debates throw out every question from the left; climate change, abortion, etc. while barely touching ones that hurt Democrats like the border or inflation or crime.
Posted by: UGAdawg at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (tRd71)
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What is in that?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 13, 2024 01:14 PM (s9EYN)
it's a chai latte with an espresso shot
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 13, 2024 01:14 PM (s9EYN)
it's a chai latte with an espresso shot
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:25 PM (dCxaZ)
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Harris will try to get another debate and that will prove she's still behind. My opinion.
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 01:25 PM (U/CEs)
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150 34 - Pope Francis to children: "All religions are paths to reach God ... some are Sikh, Muslim, Hindu, Christians; they are different ways to God."
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So satanism is just another path to reach God? Not buying it
Posted by: 496 at September 13, 2024 01:23 PM (1h4E5)
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Guaranteed they walk that back. Along with his other problems, I believe Francis is Bidenizing.
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So satanism is just another path to reach God? Not buying it
Posted by: 496 at September 13, 2024 01:23 PM (1h4E5)
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Guaranteed they walk that back. Along with his other problems, I believe Francis is Bidenizing.
Posted by: Eeyore at September 13, 2024 01:25 PM (1bNHn)
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I can't believe Shoen is still alive. He was old when I was a child.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 13, 2024 01:25 PM (lTGtQ)
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Was she? It was more like Trump debating the moderators with some rando whore also on stage for some reason.
I saw someone else phrase that as, "...and some Indian woman from Canada was on the stage, too"
I saw someone else phrase that as, "...and some Indian woman from Canada was on the stage, too"
Posted by: t-bird at September 13, 2024 01:25 PM (5IEcl)
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Kamala's knee-pads were only matched by Linsey's large shoulder pads.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 13, 2024 01:26 PM (IDzC7)
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the MSM will never be reformed. Most of the higher ups are married to or related to UniParty scum
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2024 01:22 PM
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THIS.
The incestuous relationship between the News Media & the government/campaign intelligence communities is crazy. Many of the media's spouses/family members are intertwined so badly.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2024 01:22 PM
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THIS.
The incestuous relationship between the News Media & the government/campaign intelligence communities is crazy. Many of the media's spouses/family members are intertwined so badly.
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 13, 2024 01:26 PM (+oR7L)
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How come only after the ABC debate did we find out that the head of ABC is Kamala's best friend, introduced Kamala to her future husband?
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The married dude?
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The married dude?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:26 PM (LKNus)
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165 150 34 - Pope Francis to children: "All religions are paths to reach God ... some are Sikh, Muslim, Hindu, Christians; they are different ways to God."
"Pope" Francis can stick it where the sun don't shine
"Pope" Francis can stick it where the sun don't shine
Posted by: It's me donna at September 13, 2024 01:26 PM (IyPmt)
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JackStraw Johnson is right!
there are 2 political streams of thought now
no D, no R
1) Government should answer to the people
2) the people must answer to the government
there are 2 political streams of thought now
no D, no R
1) Government should answer to the people
2) the people must answer to the government
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:26 PM (/7KEl)
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So not a moderator.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (LKNus)
What is needed most, is an inanimate carbon rod.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (LKNus)
What is needed most, is an inanimate carbon rod.
Posted by: spindrift at September 13, 2024 01:26 PM (OguvZ)
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Mark Penn left the Democrat reservation a long time ago. I don't know how long, but about the only channel I have on all day is Fox Business, and I see him there all the time. He's always introduced as a Democrat pollster, and that's fine, but he's obviously not a Democrat partisan and you can tell he wouldn't be welcome on any of the liberal networks.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at September 13, 2024 01:26 PM (IORSH)
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"He can't. They hate his guts. Literally. The media would actually pick up a gun and attempt to assassinate him if they weren't all mewling pussies."
Yup.
Yup.
Posted by: Blame It On gp's Juice at September 13, 2024 01:26 PM (TUZD5)
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The press needn't be involved at all. I think there's a strong argument that the press *shouldn't* be involved at all.
I think it's obvious that "no press" should be an iron rule. However, Trump accepted it because he assumed he could spin straw into gold, and in some ways, he may well have done it.
I think it's obvious that "no press" should be an iron rule. However, Trump accepted it because he assumed he could spin straw into gold, and in some ways, he may well have done it.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:26 PM (xCA6C)
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Former prostituter.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 13, 2024 01:22 PM
That's basically what Walz called her except I think it was 'young prostituter'.
Former prostituter.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 13, 2024 01:22 PM
That's basically what Walz called her except I think it was 'young prostituter'.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 13, 2024 01:27 PM (RKVpM)
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Harris will try to get another debate and that will prove she's still behind. My opinion.
Trump should lay down a condition: close the border and I will. You said you'd do it- do it.
Trump should lay down a condition: close the border and I will. You said you'd do it- do it.
Posted by: t-bird at September 13, 2024 01:27 PM (5IEcl)
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>>you could practically smell the wood burning in her brain when Obama et al were giving her stuff to snap back with.
"Let me be clear. . ."
"Let me be clear. . ."
Posted by: Lizzy at September 13, 2024 01:27 PM (Pijte)
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157 64 The earrings Harris wore look exactly like some H1 audio earpieces. If they were, it would be useful to have Harris' mic off (so as not to pick up the earpiece audio), while her coaches advised her on the next question.
X link
https://tinyurl.com/3nnysmpp
Posted by: illiniwek at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM
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They claim these are Tiffany earrings. Wonder if we can find them online? Tiffany certainly wouldn't have scrubbed them if they exist.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (wzAuc)
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Because cheaper knock off are unknown in the jewelry industry.
X link
https://tinyurl.com/3nnysmpp
Posted by: illiniwek at September 13, 2024 01:12 PM
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They claim these are Tiffany earrings. Wonder if we can find them online? Tiffany certainly wouldn't have scrubbed them if they exist.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (wzAuc)
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Because cheaper knock off are unknown in the jewelry industry.
Posted by: Eeyore at September 13, 2024 01:27 PM (1bNHn)
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So not a moderator.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (LKNus)
What is needed most, is an inanimate carbon rod.
Posted by: spindrift
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I've said for years that it should be a high school honors debate winner. Pick him randomly out of a hat and let him have a special moment.
He'd understand the rules and decorum, too.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (LKNus)
What is needed most, is an inanimate carbon rod.
Posted by: spindrift
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I've said for years that it should be a high school honors debate winner. Pick him randomly out of a hat and let him have a special moment.
He'd understand the rules and decorum, too.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:27 PM (LKNus)
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144 "with some rando whore also on stage for some reason"
Former prostituter.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 2024 01:22 PM (ODhjI)
Once a prostituter, always a prostituter
Former prostituter.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 2024 01:22 PM (ODhjI)
Once a prostituter, always a prostituter
Posted by: IC - #FJB at September 13, 2024 01:27 PM (YiKO5)
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Walz talking about Kamala Harris — “As a young Prostituter.” Yes @GovTimWalz
, fact check: TRUE.
https://is.gd/qM6Pdh
Walz talking about Kamala Harris — “As a young Prostituter.” Yes @GovTimWalz
, fact check: TRUE.
https://is.gd/qM6Pdh
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 13, 2024 01:28 PM (RKVpM)
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If I had followed your advice, I never would have debated Sleepy Joe and he'd still be president.
Now he's a sad footnote to history, thanks entirely to me and none at all to you.
I won this once without your help and I'll do so again.
Now he's a sad footnote to history, thanks entirely to me and none at all to you.
I won this once without your help and I'll do so again.
Posted by: D at September 13, 2024 01:28 PM (eYKIV)
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Mark Penn's opinion is nice to have but Democrats don't listen to him, the media doesn't care, and ABC won't set up an independent investigation.
So count that as no consequences to ABC
So count that as no consequences to ABC
Posted by: blaster at September 13, 2024 01:28 PM (PH0k9)
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Biden just used the term, "Black jobs."
When Trump used the same term in July, the entire media got on board blasting him for it. LoTT points out Axios wrote a "reality check" that said jobs don't have a racial component and therefore there's no such thing as black jobs.
http://tiny.cc/44vlzz
When Trump used the same term in July, the entire media got on board blasting him for it. LoTT points out Axios wrote a "reality check" that said jobs don't have a racial component and therefore there's no such thing as black jobs.
http://tiny.cc/44vlzz
Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2024 01:28 PM (Odg76)
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How many times did I have to say it? There will be no more debates unless Kamala falls far behind in the polls. And if/when that happens, that will give Trump the leverage to require it to be on Fox. I don't believe it will happen, but Kamala's poll numbers taking a dive is the only way.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at September 13, 2024 01:29 PM (IORSH)
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15 >>>Counterpoint: Trump thought he was in a no-lose situation. Either the moderators make it look biased as hell (which they did) or he just plain curb stomps her.
i don't play this game of "try to think of ways in which Trump's failure turned out to be a win." A lot of people enjoy playing this game online, I don't. sometimes a mistake is just a mistake. it's not all 11-dimensional chess.
I really would like to see the end of 11-dimensional chess. Like "Sarah Palin resigning from the governorship is really a masterstroke that sets her up to be president."
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:05 PM (KRtlO)
I don't think that Trump is an Level 11 Chessmaster in this. He does, however, have a better than average working knowledge of strategy, and leverage. We all know that there are at least two political enemies of Trump: The Democrats, and the MSM. Trump's actions and the Dems' incompetence gave him two incredibly easy targets in Biden and Kamala. Because they have help from the MSM, however, Trump needs to attack them. He could either sue, which the 1st Amendment and NYT v. Sullivan make the media bulletproof, or he could discredit them. ABC's actions do the latter.
i don't play this game of "try to think of ways in which Trump's failure turned out to be a win." A lot of people enjoy playing this game online, I don't. sometimes a mistake is just a mistake. it's not all 11-dimensional chess.
I really would like to see the end of 11-dimensional chess. Like "Sarah Palin resigning from the governorship is really a masterstroke that sets her up to be president."
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2024 01:05 PM (KRtlO)
I don't think that Trump is an Level 11 Chessmaster in this. He does, however, have a better than average working knowledge of strategy, and leverage. We all know that there are at least two political enemies of Trump: The Democrats, and the MSM. Trump's actions and the Dems' incompetence gave him two incredibly easy targets in Biden and Kamala. Because they have help from the MSM, however, Trump needs to attack them. He could either sue, which the 1st Amendment and NYT v. Sullivan make the media bulletproof, or he could discredit them. ABC's actions do the latter.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 13, 2024 01:29 PM (OxwH5)
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Do you trust you friends? Rooftop decks are pretty high and normally surrounded by concrete sidewalks.
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 13, 2024 01:15 PM (W3T6M)
hmmm...
food for thought
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 13, 2024 01:15 PM (W3T6M)
hmmm...
food for thought
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:29 PM (dCxaZ)
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The reason getting the questions in advance was virtually meaningless is that every single question was obvious and easily anticipated. As were Trump's responses. Any remotely competent campaign would have prepared for exactly those questions.
I've said that all along. I'm assured that such an attitude means I'm a Never Trumper.
I've said that all along. I'm assured that such an attitude means I'm a Never Trumper.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:29 PM (xCA6C)
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I wouldn't discount the "getting the questions in advance" part.
Kamala did not sound like herself. She spent a LONG time getting the exact answers she wanted to say.
This is also why the moderators shot down any attempt by Trump to follow up.
If she were forced to answer something that she did not have the precise wording already formulated, her natural vapidity would come through.
The cheat sheet is at least as important as the other rule-breaking.
Kamala did not sound like herself. She spent a LONG time getting the exact answers she wanted to say.
This is also why the moderators shot down any attempt by Trump to follow up.
If she were forced to answer something that she did not have the precise wording already formulated, her natural vapidity would come through.
The cheat sheet is at least as important as the other rule-breaking.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at September 13, 2024 01:29 PM (JMAcK)
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>>But far worse is how every one of these goddam debates throw out every question from the left; climate change, abortion, etc. while barely touching ones that hurt Democrats like the border or inflation or crime.
Or the assassination attempt two months ago.
They were fine blaming him for speech that encouraged J6 violence, but no mention of what led a person to shoot at Trump.
Or the assassination attempt two months ago.
They were fine blaming him for speech that encouraged J6 violence, but no mention of what led a person to shoot at Trump.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 13, 2024 01:29 PM (Pijte)
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"I believe Francis is Bidenizing"
Francis has always said this stuff. His PR group is constantly assuring us he didn't say what they said he said. It's all a translation issue. Guy is a radical whackadoo.
Francis has always said this stuff. His PR group is constantly assuring us he didn't say what they said he said. It's all a translation issue. Guy is a radical whackadoo.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 13, 2024 01:29 PM (ODhjI)
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The single objective of a political debate is to change or solidify people’s minds. That’s the measure of success. The rest is theater. People know who Trump was, and he gave people enough, especially Independents to help make up their minds. Kamala had a big assist by the way she acted and the evasiveness on key issues. People wanted to understand what she believes and why. They walked away with nothing they needed. The airwaves are blanketed with videos of Kamala in her own words. That’s going to be watched up the closer we get to November. There is no way she can hide from that.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 13, 2024 01:30 PM (rvRiq)
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I've said for years that it should be a high school honors debate winner. Pick him randomly out of a hat and let him have a special moment.
He'd understand the rules and decorum, too.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:27 PM (LKNus)
You obviously haven't watched the videos of what "debate" is anymore.
It's a performative spoken word slam poetry jam.
He'd understand the rules and decorum, too.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:27 PM (LKNus)
You obviously haven't watched the videos of what "debate" is anymore.
It's a performative spoken word slam poetry jam.
Posted by: blaster at September 13, 2024 01:30 PM (PH0k9)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2024 01:30 PM (Odg76)
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They claim these are Tiffany earrings. Wonder if we can find them online? Tiffany certainly wouldn't have scrubbed them if they exist.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (wzAuc)
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Because cheaper knock off are unknown in the jewelry industry.
IIRC, Tiffany has already said they're Tiffany earrings. Somehow, I don't believe them.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (wzAuc)
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Because cheaper knock off are unknown in the jewelry industry.
IIRC, Tiffany has already said they're Tiffany earrings. Somehow, I don't believe them.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:30 PM (xCA6C)
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"Or perhaps they're so in the leftwing bubble that these "journalists" still think those claims are true."
Neither are the case. They know it's a lie or hyperbole. Trump is literally Hitler to them. As Scott Adams said, what wouldn't you do to stop Hitler? Lying, scheming, enforcing double-standards, all on national TV for a supposed objective debate... Who wouldn't do that to stop Hitler? They think they're brave and moral for doing this. But ace, you're spot on that they're just too much of "mewling pussies" to outright kill him. But they have no qualms with lying and propagandizing to the point their viewers are radicalized enough to do it themselves. He's Hitler, he must be stopped...
Neither are the case. They know it's a lie or hyperbole. Trump is literally Hitler to them. As Scott Adams said, what wouldn't you do to stop Hitler? Lying, scheming, enforcing double-standards, all on national TV for a supposed objective debate... Who wouldn't do that to stop Hitler? They think they're brave and moral for doing this. But ace, you're spot on that they're just too much of "mewling pussies" to outright kill him. But they have no qualms with lying and propagandizing to the point their viewers are radicalized enough to do it themselves. He's Hitler, he must be stopped...
Posted by: bearski at September 13, 2024 01:30 PM (Bhsk7)
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Ace, I'm with you on this. I am SICK AND TIRED of Trump's perpetual Scorpion and the Frog fable being re-enacted over and over again.
The 4D Chess people are mercifully extinct now, but Trump's awful instincts aren't. My God, what will it take for him to stop touching a hot stove burner after being told it's hot?
The 4D Chess people are mercifully extinct now, but Trump's awful instincts aren't. My God, what will it take for him to stop touching a hot stove burner after being told it's hot?
Posted by: Kevin Feige's Hat Sweat at September 13, 2024 01:31 PM (N/oGZ)
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Did I call it on what those "assurances" were or did I call it?
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I knew from the get-go that ABC was going to let Kamala lie and confront Trump on "lies".
If you look back in the history of Presidential debates, it seems the only person who gets called out by the "moderator" is a GOP candidate.
So, I knew that Trump would be confronted. I just added to it that Kamala could say "all dogs are ice cream" and they wouldn't bat an eye.
And that was before I heard about the "assurances".
She could say "Officer Sicknick was killed by Jan-6 rioters".
She could say Biden's "We had 9 percent inflation when we entered office." She definitely did say 3 long-time Snopes-debunked lies about things Trump has said.
When I heard about her agreeing to this debate I posted "ABC is going to let her lie".
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I knew from the get-go that ABC was going to let Kamala lie and confront Trump on "lies".
If you look back in the history of Presidential debates, it seems the only person who gets called out by the "moderator" is a GOP candidate.
So, I knew that Trump would be confronted. I just added to it that Kamala could say "all dogs are ice cream" and they wouldn't bat an eye.
And that was before I heard about the "assurances".
She could say "Officer Sicknick was killed by Jan-6 rioters".
She could say Biden's "We had 9 percent inflation when we entered office." She definitely did say 3 long-time Snopes-debunked lies about things Trump has said.
When I heard about her agreeing to this debate I posted "ABC is going to let her lie".
Posted by: Axeman at September 13, 2024 01:31 PM (krQz2)
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I've said for years that it should be a high school honors debate winner. Pick him randomly out of a hat and let him have a special moment.
He'd understand the rules and decorum, too.
That is an outstanding idea. You should send that to the Trump campaign. Really.
He'd understand the rules and decorum, too.
That is an outstanding idea. You should send that to the Trump campaign. Really.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:31 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: Piper at September 13, 2024 01:31 PM (p4NUW)
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>Walz talking about Kamala Harris — “As a young Prostituter.”
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I nominate for Freudian Slip of the Year
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I nominate for Freudian Slip of the Year
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:31 PM (/7KEl)
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Muir and Davis divided up the topics to study, and Davis fully anticipated that Trump's erroneous abortion claim would come up when she questioned him on the issue.
"That was an obvious thing to get on the record," Davis said.
In the weeks before the debate, various scenarios were played out in table read-like settings where the anchors and ABC News producers tested their questions and played out the possible responses.
Davis acknowledged that she and Muir could not nail every misstatement. But they did study each candidate's body of work ahead of time and had an idea of what to expect.
"Politicians tend to say the same things again and again," Davis said.
To prepare, Davis, a 17-year ABC News veteran, reviewed questions in her head for weeks during her daily runs
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Jeebus. This is more effort than ABC does in reporting news on a daily basis.
"That was an obvious thing to get on the record," Davis said.
In the weeks before the debate, various scenarios were played out in table read-like settings where the anchors and ABC News producers tested their questions and played out the possible responses.
Davis acknowledged that she and Muir could not nail every misstatement. But they did study each candidate's body of work ahead of time and had an idea of what to expect.
"Politicians tend to say the same things again and again," Davis said.
To prepare, Davis, a 17-year ABC News veteran, reviewed questions in her head for weeks during her daily runs
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Jeebus. This is more effort than ABC does in reporting news on a daily basis.
Posted by: Stu Podaso at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (fQmeC)
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Mark Penn and other long term Dems are pissed about Kamala's rise to the top. She never paid her dues. Never paid homage to the sacred cows like the usual path to democrat tickets. She screwed her way to the top and then Biden picked her because she filled the bill as a black woman. The Dem party hierarchy are gritting their teeth while waving their Kamala signs. At this point, I'm sure people like Penn are thinking "Do I really want to have Kamala around for possibly 8 years?"
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (+oR7L)
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The proof of the earpiece... and please go read teh transcript if you don't believe me... is how she REPEATEDLY had zingers for things Trump had said in his PREVIOUS talking segment. Not the one that just passed.
You don't zing stuff from a previous thing said unless you aren't listening to what is being said at that moment.
Unless you have a team of people coming up with something and feeding it to you which is difficult to do in the moment but *easy* to do while Trump is talking the next time.
I have never in my life seen someone zinging things from what someone had said two segments ago. Never. Not so many times for sure. And I saw four and I didn't even watch the whole thing. I am telling you. Go back and read how many times she "zinger" him with a line about something he had said 5 minutes earlier.
You don't zing stuff from a previous thing said unless you aren't listening to what is being said at that moment.
Unless you have a team of people coming up with something and feeding it to you which is difficult to do in the moment but *easy* to do while Trump is talking the next time.
I have never in my life seen someone zinging things from what someone had said two segments ago. Never. Not so many times for sure. And I saw four and I didn't even watch the whole thing. I am telling you. Go back and read how many times she "zinger" him with a line about something he had said 5 minutes earlier.
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (U/CEs)
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OT - Nicole Shananan just released a video 'Who is MAGA' - really good.
Posted by: IC - #FJB at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (YiKO5)
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This bikini brunette on the beach doesn't know there was a debate:
http://tiny.cc/f4vlzz
http://tiny.cc/f4vlzz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (HnUIn)
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The reason getting the questions in advance was virtually meaningless is that every single question was obvious and easily anticipated. As were Trump's responses. Any remotely competent campaign would have prepared for exactly those questions.
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Well they are obvious if your IQ is above room temperature
She need Waltz to help do a softball interview that was highly edited. They couldn't afford to let her wing it in real time.
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Well they are obvious if your IQ is above room temperature
She need Waltz to help do a softball interview that was highly edited. They couldn't afford to let her wing it in real time.
Posted by: Just Lily at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (hpAZA)
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@133 Peoples Hippo Voice-All them people doing that the other night crying about how Trump lost the debate isn't aging well in the aftermath. The thousands of cat memes out that are hilarious and at the same time draw attention to the open border/immigrant problem have been priceless. I've only seen on leftist meme worth a shit that had Kamala standing over Trump ala Muhammad Ali vs Liston pic.
OMG Trump lost!!! Yeah he certainly missed opportunities but once again the guy lands in shit and comes out smelling like a rose. The aftermath of this debate proves it. In the end, Trump won.
OMG Trump lost!!! Yeah he certainly missed opportunities but once again the guy lands in shit and comes out smelling like a rose. The aftermath of this debate proves it. In the end, Trump won.
Posted by: JROD at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (IlL6s)
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The "Press" hs always been politically biased. From hundreds to thousands of years. Freedom of speech / press in the 1st Amd isn't there to protect sparkly vampire teen romance fiction. It's there to protect opposition against the machine in power from crushing oppo by censoring them.
Well, it's not the moderators, it is ABC itself that is of the PR wing of the Harris-Biden Junta. They were a little too blatant and the optics of that are setting in with the undecideds.
Junta fans are metaphoriclly high-fiving and literally sucking each others dicks over it, just as they did the steal in 2020.
Well, it's not the moderators, it is ABC itself that is of the PR wing of the Harris-Biden Junta. They were a little too blatant and the optics of that are setting in with the undecideds.
Junta fans are metaphoriclly high-fiving and literally sucking each others dicks over it, just as they did the steal in 2020.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (/lPRQ)
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So all the "Christians " got together and prayed that God would help them push the abortion candidate?
Posted by: azjaeger at September 13, 2024 01:23 PM (bvEp2)
Right?
Posted by: azjaeger at September 13, 2024 01:23 PM (bvEp2)
Right?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (s9EYN)
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How many times did I have to say it? There will be no more debates unless Kamala falls far behind in the polls. And if/when that happens, that will give Trump the leverage to require it to be on Fox. I don't believe it will happen, but Kamala's poll numbers taking a dive is the only way.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at September 13, 2024 01:29 PM (IORSH)
Trump has already declared no more debates while Harris called for another right after… they both know Trump’s ahead.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at September 13, 2024 01:29 PM (IORSH)
Trump has already declared no more debates while Harris called for another right after… they both know Trump’s ahead.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 13, 2024 01:33 PM (ZtAny)
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As has been noted, many times over, this is really not about Trump. Trump is the instrument. The wave of discontent in this country is about people being fed up with the oligarchs, one-worlders, corporatist/fascists, commies, greenies, trannies, culling the population, and so on and so forth... people being fed up with this blob of maniacs who have been ascendant for too long.
Either they are going to win, and clamp down on all forms of freedom, or they will be defeated.
What they do to Trump with either be a catalyst in the right direction, or will be one of the last nails in the coffin of this Grand Experiment in human liberty.
So I'm not going to get upset because they did this to Trump. Doing what they do to Trump is all part of the reveal.
Either they are going to win, and clamp down on all forms of freedom, or they will be defeated.
What they do to Trump with either be a catalyst in the right direction, or will be one of the last nails in the coffin of this Grand Experiment in human liberty.
So I'm not going to get upset because they did this to Trump. Doing what they do to Trump is all part of the reveal.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 13, 2024 01:33 PM (dGCAG)
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My husband said a little 30-second prayer before I left for Philadelphia," said Davis, a Christian who has written faith-based children's books. "He was like, 'God give her the words to say.' That's in the Scripture. There were a few praying for, in particular, wisdom, discernment, courage and peace."
A cousin of Davis set up a prayer meeting on Zoom as well.
The sanctimony is shtrong in this one
Posted by: kallisto
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
Romans 16: 17-18
A cousin of Davis set up a prayer meeting on Zoom as well.
The sanctimony is shtrong in this one
Posted by: kallisto
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
Romans 16: 17-18
Posted by: Sock Monkey * considering the imponderables at September 13, 2024 01:33 PM (42DR8)
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So why aren't we seeing any Kamala "zinger" moments on X? Because when the libs try, they get "Community Noted" into the phantom zone.
Same thing happens if they try putting up any of ABC's fake fact checks of Trump.
Same thing happens if they try putting up any of ABC's fake fact checks of Trump.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at September 13, 2024 01:33 PM (Da7Vv)
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Show of hands: Wears medic alert bracelet, "Delete browser history." Thanks.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at September 13, 2024 01:33 PM (QSrLX)
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I have never in my life seen someone zinging things from what someone had said two segments ago. Never. Not so many times for sure. And I saw four and I didn't even watch the whole thing. I am telling you. Go back and read how many times she "zinger" him with a line about something he had said 5 minutes earlier.
Posted by: ... at September
She memorized answers. She provided the questions. They were not earpieces. I have the exact same earrings in sterling, along with the bracelet. They are Tiffany earrings.
I will never wear them again. Hahahaha
Posted by: ... at September
She memorized answers. She provided the questions. They were not earpieces. I have the exact same earrings in sterling, along with the bracelet. They are Tiffany earrings.
I will never wear them again. Hahahaha
Posted by: Piper at September 13, 2024 01:33 PM (p4NUW)
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A leader cannot run away from hostile adversaries. Trump is not a pussy. He's not going to avoid The Enemy of The People because they ask him tough, dishonest questions.
A leader cannot run away from hostile adversaries. Trump is not a pussy. He's not going to avoid The Enemy of The People because they ask him tough, dishonest questions.
Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 13, 2024 01:33 PM (OAOhJ)
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The proof of the earpiece... and please go read teh transcript if you don't believe me... is how she REPEATEDLY had zingers for things Trump had said in his PREVIOUS talking segment. Not the one that just passed.
You don't zing stuff from a previous thing said unless you aren't listening to what is being said at that moment.
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ding ding ding
And this from a woman who can barely have an impromptu conversation with another adult.
You don't zing stuff from a previous thing said unless you aren't listening to what is being said at that moment.
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ding ding ding
And this from a woman who can barely have an impromptu conversation with another adult.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:33 PM (LKNus)
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162 I would bet ABC gave Harris some idea of what the questions would be like, and she crafted canned responses that wouldn’t actually answer the question posed, knowing those newstwat mannequins wouldn’t press her.
But far worse is how every one of these goddam debates throw out every question from the left; climate change, abortion, etc. while barely touching ones that hurt Democrats like the border or inflation or crime.
Posted by: UGAdawg at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (tRd71)
Agreed; no earpiece needed. Besides, she's not a professional newsreader. If someone's talking in your ear, your face would betray a reaction to the noise, and you'd have to pause and concentrate to understand what's being said - we'd see that on her face real-time. Much better to give her guidelines that her team can coach her on.
If they memorialized that in an email, however, their goose is cooked. The sworn statement that will supposedly come out before the weekend will be the killshot that takes the MSM out of the running of being the trusted voice in the election. The big winner will be Elon, in that case. Elon and Trump.
But far worse is how every one of these goddam debates throw out every question from the left; climate change, abortion, etc. while barely touching ones that hurt Democrats like the border or inflation or crime.
Posted by: UGAdawg at September 13, 2024 01:24 PM (tRd71)
Agreed; no earpiece needed. Besides, she's not a professional newsreader. If someone's talking in your ear, your face would betray a reaction to the noise, and you'd have to pause and concentrate to understand what's being said - we'd see that on her face real-time. Much better to give her guidelines that her team can coach her on.
If they memorialized that in an email, however, their goose is cooked. The sworn statement that will supposedly come out before the weekend will be the killshot that takes the MSM out of the running of being the trusted voice in the election. The big winner will be Elon, in that case. Elon and Trump.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 13, 2024 01:34 PM (OxwH5)
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Kamala did not sound like herself. She spent a LONG time getting the exact answers she wanted to say.
This is also why the moderators shot down any attempt by Trump to follow up.
If she were forced to answer something that she did not have the precise wording already formulated, her natural vapidity would come through.
There's a scene in the recent Jumanji movie in which Jack Black (I think) tries to interact with a character, only to get the same irrelevant response every time because he's an NPC. Yeah, that's Kamala.
This is also why the moderators shot down any attempt by Trump to follow up.
If she were forced to answer something that she did not have the precise wording already formulated, her natural vapidity would come through.
There's a scene in the recent Jumanji movie in which Jack Black (I think) tries to interact with a character, only to get the same irrelevant response every time because he's an NPC. Yeah, that's Kamala.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:34 PM (xCA6C)
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This bikini brunette on the beach doesn't know there was a debate:
http://tiny.cc/f4vlzz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (HnUIn)
Ankle bracelet and no tattoos. Nice.
http://tiny.cc/f4vlzz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (HnUIn)
Ankle bracelet and no tattoos. Nice.
Posted by: spindrift at September 13, 2024 01:35 PM (OguvZ)
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210 @133 Peoples Hippo Voice-All them people doing that the other night crying about how Trump lost the debate isn't aging well in the aftermath. The thousands of cat memes out that are hilarious and at the same time draw attention to the open border/immigrant problem have been priceless. I've only seen on leftist meme worth a shit that had Kamala standing over Trump ala Muhammad Ali vs Liston pic.
OMG Trump lost!!! Yeah he certainly missed opportunities but once again the guy lands in shit and comes out smelling like a rose. The aftermath of this debate proves it. In the end, Trump won.
Posted by: JROD at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (IlL6s)
I'll be the first to admit that in the moment, I thought Trump blew it. I actually turned it off during the first commercial break.
I was wrong.
OMG Trump lost!!! Yeah he certainly missed opportunities but once again the guy lands in shit and comes out smelling like a rose. The aftermath of this debate proves it. In the end, Trump won.
Posted by: JROD at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (IlL6s)
I'll be the first to admit that in the moment, I thought Trump blew it. I actually turned it off during the first commercial break.
I was wrong.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:35 PM (KbCG3)
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>My God, what will it take for him to stop touching a hot stove burner after being told it's hot?
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he would have to have his ego removed
Trump believes he can solve any problem, surmount any obstacle, and charm any person
and he's done that, a lot
but not always
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he would have to have his ego removed
Trump believes he can solve any problem, surmount any obstacle, and charm any person
and he's done that, a lot
but not always
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:35 PM (/7KEl)
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"In the end, Trump won."
We'll see on Monday/Tuesday when the polls come out. It does look like Trump recovered, but he definitely flopped on the debate.
We'll see on Monday/Tuesday when the polls come out. It does look like Trump recovered, but he definitely flopped on the debate.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 13, 2024 01:35 PM (ODhjI)
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Trump should lay down a condition: close the border and I will.
Posted by: t-bird at September 13, 2024 01:27 PM (5IEcl)
Love that.
Posted by: t-bird at September 13, 2024 01:27 PM (5IEcl)
Love that.
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 01:35 PM (U/CEs)
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Show of hands: Wears medic alert bracelet, "Delete browser history." Thanks.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at September 13, 2024 01:33 PM (QSrLX)
Heh
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at September 13, 2024 01:33 PM (QSrLX)
Heh
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 13, 2024 01:35 PM (NtVYv)
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As others have noted, what was with the Starship Enterprise control panel the moderators were sitting behind?
Why all the screens?
The only shot was as the debate stated and all the screens were dark.
They were being fed by an entire team of fact-checkers and producers* during the debate.
* the greatest skill of the newsreader is to not react when the producer is yelling in their ear.
Why all the screens?
The only shot was as the debate stated and all the screens were dark.
They were being fed by an entire team of fact-checkers and producers* during the debate.
* the greatest skill of the newsreader is to not react when the producer is yelling in their ear.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 13, 2024 01:35 PM (EItv/)
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The 4D Chess people are mercifully extinct now, but Trump's awful instincts aren't. My God, what will it take for him to stop touching a hot stove burner after being told it's hot?
Posted by: Kevin Feige's Hat Sweat at September 13, 2024 01:31 PM (N/oGZ)
completion of 2nd term as POTUS?
Posted by: Kevin Feige's Hat Sweat at September 13, 2024 01:31 PM (N/oGZ)
completion of 2nd term as POTUS?
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:36 PM (dCxaZ)
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The people who developed and released a bioweapon to kill your elderly family members, stole the election, purposely destroyed your savings in pursuit of the Great Reset, and shot Trump in the head before removing the sitting POTUS from the campaign and replacing him with a woman no one voted for certainly wouldn't cheat during a debate.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:36 PM (LKNus)
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Neither are the case. They know it's a lie or hyperbole. Trump is literally Hitler to them.
Posted by: bearski at September 13, 2024 01:30 PM (Bhsk7)
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I think they've convinced their base that Trump is "literally Hitler". But I think their elites are more along the lines of Hitler. And by that I mean that in MK, Hitler said that the value of religion is that men will die for it.
It's the reason that he 1) promoted religion, while planning all the while to change it. To change that thing that men die for.
So, the value of a "special case" is that people feel justified in "pulling out all the stops" (is that like "suspend the Constitution"?). But you don't really need a special case, if you simply can convince enough people that it is that very special case.
Posted by: bearski at September 13, 2024 01:30 PM (Bhsk7)
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I think they've convinced their base that Trump is "literally Hitler". But I think their elites are more along the lines of Hitler. And by that I mean that in MK, Hitler said that the value of religion is that men will die for it.
It's the reason that he 1) promoted religion, while planning all the while to change it. To change that thing that men die for.
So, the value of a "special case" is that people feel justified in "pulling out all the stops" (is that like "suspend the Constitution"?). But you don't really need a special case, if you simply can convince enough people that it is that very special case.
Posted by: Axeman at September 13, 2024 01:36 PM (krQz2)
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he would have to have his ego removed
Trump believes he can solve any problem, surmount any obstacle, and charm any person
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:35 PM (/7KEl)
Without those beliefs why would Trump or anyone else sane ever continue this fight? He could have at any time just said I tried, Ron and Nikki it's yours. And no one would even blame him.
Trump believes he can solve any problem, surmount any obstacle, and charm any person
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:35 PM (/7KEl)
Without those beliefs why would Trump or anyone else sane ever continue this fight? He could have at any time just said I tried, Ron and Nikki it's yours. And no one would even blame him.
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 01:36 PM (U/CEs)
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...OMG Trump lost!!! Yeah he certainly missed opportunities but once again the guy lands in shit and comes out smelling like a rose. The aftermath of this debate proves it. In the end, Trump won.
Posted by: JROD at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (IlL6s)
Spot on, JROD. Quick folks - can anyone remember one line that Kamala stated that resonates even today, a few days after the debate? All we're talking about are cats and dogs.
Trump won, decisively.
Posted by: JROD at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (IlL6s)
Spot on, JROD. Quick folks - can anyone remember one line that Kamala stated that resonates even today, a few days after the debate? All we're talking about are cats and dogs.
Trump won, decisively.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 13, 2024 01:36 PM (OxwH5)
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There's a scene in the recent Jumanji movie in which Jack Black (I think) tries to interact with a character, only to get the same irrelevant response every time because he's an NPC. Yeah, that's Kamala.
Nope, it was the Rock and Kevin Hart speaking to the guide. "Good luck, the fate of Jumanji is in your hands."
https://tinyurl.com/4ne684k7
Nope, it was the Rock and Kevin Hart speaking to the guide. "Good luck, the fate of Jumanji is in your hands."
https://tinyurl.com/4ne684k7
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:36 PM (xCA6C)
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>This bikini brunette on the beach ....
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I wanna buy her presents and take her home to meet my mom
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I wanna buy her presents and take her home to meet my mom
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:36 PM (/7KEl)
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Linsey Davis Reveals How She, David Muir and ABC News Schemed to Protect Kamala Harris by Ambushing President Trump With ‘Fact Checks’ After He Crushed Biden in Debate
- Gateway headline
BTW, the 'fact checks' need not be factual, and rarely are, to be effective
- Gateway headline
BTW, the 'fact checks' need not be factual, and rarely are, to be effective
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 13, 2024 01:37 PM (/lPRQ)
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Remember how we all wanted the president to cunt-punt jim acosta out of the press briefing room permanently?
That's not how a real leader acts. Not in the USA, anyway.
Trump has to interact these rotten people, and that's the way it is.
Remember how we all wanted the president to cunt-punt jim acosta out of the press briefing room permanently?
That's not how a real leader acts. Not in the USA, anyway.
Trump has to interact these rotten people, and that's the way it is.
Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 13, 2024 01:37 PM (OAOhJ)
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flopped in the debate = brought illegals back to the forefront and got the opposing candidate to suggest to the independents that they should pay attention to the entirety of his rallies
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:37 PM (LKNus)
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Very weak speculation that Trump thinks he can "charm" anyone/any situation. Have never seen evidence of this. Much more likely he makes overall calculations, and usually correct ones.
But this fits right in with "Trump is lazy" (a true jaw-dropper). Oh, and let's not forget he is a "whiner".
The delusions and "hey Michaelangelo, um, you missed a spot up there in the corner" approach to Trump - by people who vote for him - are really something.
But this fits right in with "Trump is lazy" (a true jaw-dropper). Oh, and let's not forget he is a "whiner".
The delusions and "hey Michaelangelo, um, you missed a spot up there in the corner" approach to Trump - by people who vote for him - are really something.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2024 01:38 PM (GcNJ2)
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it's a chai latte with an espresso shot
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:25 PM (dCxaZ)
Ah. Sounds tasty. Wish both tea and coffee weren't off my menu for the foreseeable future. I'm pretty fond of breathing though, so I'll just have to imagine the taste.
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:25 PM (dCxaZ)
Ah. Sounds tasty. Wish both tea and coffee weren't off my menu for the foreseeable future. I'm pretty fond of breathing though, so I'll just have to imagine the taste.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 13, 2024 01:38 PM (s9EYN)
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"Trump is way too confident of himself a lot of the time. He thinks he can charm anyone and out-fox anyone."
He seemed old in the debate. Referring to the governor of Virginia as the governor of West Virginia... Also, of everything we've been through the past 8+ years, how could he not have been prepared for the moderators to debate him? I'm sure there was a debate rule for him not to debate moderators, but there was also a rule banning the inverse. Once they started debating him, he should've cut them right back. The moment that c*nt made that lie about "No states allow killing a baby after childbirth", he should've cut immediately back and said "OK, I guess I'm debating 3 people now. But since I am, that's a lie. The governor of VA (which he already screwed up) himself said on video that if a baby survives an abortion and is born, we'll 'decide what to do'. Virginia was not the only state permitting that, (insert reference to Walz he should've been prepared for), and it's on video on the internet for all to see."
Then after each attack he made that could be considered contentious, direct the attack to Kamala, then look right at the moderators and say "fact check THAT!"
He seemed old in the debate. Referring to the governor of Virginia as the governor of West Virginia... Also, of everything we've been through the past 8+ years, how could he not have been prepared for the moderators to debate him? I'm sure there was a debate rule for him not to debate moderators, but there was also a rule banning the inverse. Once they started debating him, he should've cut them right back. The moment that c*nt made that lie about "No states allow killing a baby after childbirth", he should've cut immediately back and said "OK, I guess I'm debating 3 people now. But since I am, that's a lie. The governor of VA (which he already screwed up) himself said on video that if a baby survives an abortion and is born, we'll 'decide what to do'. Virginia was not the only state permitting that, (insert reference to Walz he should've been prepared for), and it's on video on the internet for all to see."
Then after each attack he made that could be considered contentious, direct the attack to Kamala, then look right at the moderators and say "fact check THAT!"
Posted by: bearski at September 13, 2024 01:38 PM (Bhsk7)
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he would have to have his ego removed
Trump believes he can solve any problem, surmount any obstacle, and charm any person
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One day his luck is going to run out, I just know it!
Trump believes he can solve any problem, surmount any obstacle, and charm any person
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One day his luck is going to run out, I just know it!
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:38 PM (LKNus)
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I do not think its an anti Harris issue. I think people in the know, like Penn, see the internals and they do lead to a belief that Harris will win.
Halperin uas much the same general outlook.
Halperin uas much the same general outlook.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at September 13, 2024 01:38 PM (7PziG)
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Kiffness does a song remix of Trump's "they're eating the dogs ... the pets" statement.
http://tiny.cc/05vlzz
http://tiny.cc/05vlzz
Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2024 01:38 PM (Odg76)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2024 01:39 PM (Odg76)
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213 How many times did I have to say it? There will be no more debates unless Kamala falls far behind in the polls. And if/when that happens, that will give Trump the leverage to require it to be on Fox. I don't believe it will happen, but Kamala's poll numbers taking a dive is the only way.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at September 13, 2024 01:29 PM (IORSH)
Trump has already declared no more debates while Harris called for another right after… they both know Trump’s ahead.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 13, 2024 01:33 PM (ZtAny)
And that, folks, is what we call 'leverage'. When the MSM thought they had leverage, Trump saw that they didn't. Now that he has the leverage, Kamala & Co will now recognize that he really had it all along.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at September 13, 2024 01:29 PM (IORSH)
Trump has already declared no more debates while Harris called for another right after… they both know Trump’s ahead.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 13, 2024 01:33 PM (ZtAny)
And that, folks, is what we call 'leverage'. When the MSM thought they had leverage, Trump saw that they didn't. Now that he has the leverage, Kamala & Co will now recognize that he really had it all along.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 13, 2024 01:39 PM (OxwH5)
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Sadly, Linsey Davis would get less jail time if she capped DJT live during a debate than your average J6 attendee.
Posted by: Crazy at September 13, 2024 01:39 PM (/3MuE)
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At this point, I'm sure people like Penn are thinking "Do I really want to have Kamala around for possibly 8 years?"
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (+oR7L)
I remember Mark Penn's name, but don't have any recall of what he was up to back in the Clinton days.
What I do believe though, is that Bill Clinton was the last Democrat candidate who was more or less his own man, directing to a large extent, what he campaigned on, and what he wanted to do if he was elected.
Since then, it's a bunch of weenies and compromised losers, who are controlled by the party apparatus.
I have no doubt Penn longs for the day when the CiC, The Principle was, you know, kind of in charge. And I don't doubt it causes whatever level of consternation, seeing how it's devolved, first to a senile old Alzheimer's patient, and now a gold digging empty vessel whore.
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (+oR7L)
I remember Mark Penn's name, but don't have any recall of what he was up to back in the Clinton days.
What I do believe though, is that Bill Clinton was the last Democrat candidate who was more or less his own man, directing to a large extent, what he campaigned on, and what he wanted to do if he was elected.
Since then, it's a bunch of weenies and compromised losers, who are controlled by the party apparatus.
I have no doubt Penn longs for the day when the CiC, The Principle was, you know, kind of in charge. And I don't doubt it causes whatever level of consternation, seeing how it's devolved, first to a senile old Alzheimer's patient, and now a gold digging empty vessel whore.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 13, 2024 01:39 PM (dGCAG)
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"flopped in the debate = brought illegals back to the forefront and got the opposing candidate to suggest to the independents that they should pay attention to the entirety of his rallies"
You guys are awesome. Never change.
You guys are awesome. Never change.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 13, 2024 01:40 PM (ODhjI)
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Ace, you did call it. Pro-tip: Never underestimate a Ewok.
Posted by: Cheri at September 13, 2024 01:40 PM (FGQ5G)
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 13, 2024 01:40 PM (RKVpM)
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Why is Trump the way he is, and why does he agree to work with the Fake News even though it never ends well?
"The Body Language Ghost" explains why, and I agree with her:
https://youtu.be/tep7CujfLeI?si=W-UC0SxS3Gum1pOp&t=1046
Why is Trump the way he is, and why does he agree to work with the Fake News even though it never ends well?
"The Body Language Ghost" explains why, and I agree with her:
https://youtu.be/tep7CujfLeI?si=W-UC0SxS3Gum1pOp&t=1046
Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (OAOhJ)
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Vice President Harris didn't tell any lies to fact check! Trump spews so many constant lies, MSNBC refuses to broadcast anything he says!
Posted by: Sid at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (2Jr9c)
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Trump is in.. Los Angeles giving a press conference.. Los Angeles
Posted by: It's me donna at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (IyPmt)
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I'll be the first to admit that in the moment, I thought Trump blew it. I actually turned it off during the first commercial break.
I was wrong.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:35 PM (KbCG3)
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Actually, I still thought Trump was ineffective in the debate. But, he's just made debates not matter, it seems.
You know, Presidential debates used to be about the advisability of policy! Not "You're a horrible person and a threat to the country!"
All those Dems whining about "civility" and "division" need to take a step back and look at their contribution.
I do see some conservatives ramping things up and I do see some conservatives spreading division, but it's pretty uniform for Democrats.
I was wrong.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:35 PM (KbCG3)
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Actually, I still thought Trump was ineffective in the debate. But, he's just made debates not matter, it seems.
You know, Presidential debates used to be about the advisability of policy! Not "You're a horrible person and a threat to the country!"
All those Dems whining about "civility" and "division" need to take a step back and look at their contribution.
I do see some conservatives ramping things up and I do see some conservatives spreading division, but it's pretty uniform for Democrats.
Posted by: Axeman at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (krQz2)
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How many times did I have to say it? There will be no more debates unless Kamala falls far behind in the polls. And if/when that happens, that will give Trump the leverage to require it to be on Fox. I don't believe it will happen, but Kamala's poll numbers taking a dive is the only way.
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Why in the world would he debate again? Karmella wants it because she came out with nothing. There are no clips, no viral videos, no gotchas on her end. Nothing. Heck, even Trump used her Girl Boss "I'm talking" on her and people are laughing at her over it.
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Why in the world would he debate again? Karmella wants it because she came out with nothing. There are no clips, no viral videos, no gotchas on her end. Nothing. Heck, even Trump used her Girl Boss "I'm talking" on her and people are laughing at her over it.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (LKNus)
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They are the enemy of the people.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) reminds you at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (cw9q7)
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That's basically what Walz called her except I think it was 'young prostituter'.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 13, 2024 01:27 PM (RKVpM)
Walz called Harris that?! What was the context?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 13, 2024 01:27 PM (RKVpM)
Walz called Harris that?! What was the context?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (s9EYN)
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IIRC, Tiffany has already said they're Tiffany earrings. Somehow, I don't believe them.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:30 PM (xCA6C)
They are, however, unlike any other Tiffany earrings... at least any that are on our webpage.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:30 PM (xCA6C)
They are, however, unlike any other Tiffany earrings... at least any that are on our webpage.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (U7wke)
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Wait; There's a rumor about Walz being a pedophile?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (dTTBf)
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This bikini brunette on the beach doesn't know there was a debate:
She's gorgeous, and no apparent silicone.
She's gorgeous, and no apparent silicone.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (xCA6C)
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Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2024 01:38 PM (Odg76)
"people of Springfield, don't eat my dog, here's a catalogue of other things to eat"
"people of Springfield, don't eat my dog, here's a catalogue of other things to eat"
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (dCxaZ)
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>>I remember Mark Penn's name, but don't have any recall of what he was up to back in the Clinton days.
IIRC, he was Hillary's main campaign consultant in 2016. Made millions off it.
IIRC, he was Hillary's main campaign consultant in 2016. Made millions off it.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 13, 2024 01:42 PM (Pijte)
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sidenote:
I hope the passing from the scene of Trump and Biden and Pelosi and McConnell and all the other elderly politicians will begin a time of younger people seeking office
no offense, but when you're in your 70s and 80s, it's time to go home and put your feet up
IMO FWIW YMMV STP
I hope the passing from the scene of Trump and Biden and Pelosi and McConnell and all the other elderly politicians will begin a time of younger people seeking office
no offense, but when you're in your 70s and 80s, it's time to go home and put your feet up
IMO FWIW YMMV STP
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:42 PM (/7KEl)
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Posted by: Sid at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (2Jr9c)
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In which Sid proves to be a total disingenuous troll or sock.
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In which Sid proves to be a total disingenuous troll or sock.
Posted by: Axeman at September 13, 2024 01:42 PM (krQz2)
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"flopped in the debate = brought illegals back to the forefront and got the opposing candidate to suggest to the independents that they should pay attention to the entirety of his rallies"
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You guys are awesome. Never change.
Posted by: Ribbed
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Do you disagree?
Show your work.
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You guys are awesome. Never change.
Posted by: Ribbed
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Do you disagree?
Show your work.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:42 PM (LKNus)
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"Trump's biggest enemy, hell, all of our biggest enemy, is the media. Without them the left would be a broken toy. Even if we never get confirmation of collusion between ABC and the Harris campaign it's so obvious everyone can see it. Even the Clinton's favorite pollster admits it and that's a huge blow for the media.
Destroying corporate media is paramount if we are going to save the republic."
Maybe that's what a chunk of the Penn thing is?
The media can't afford to lose what little is left of its meager credibility, so, call for an investigation! Prove it was all up and up! See? The media polices itself, like all good and honest people DO!
Destroying corporate media is paramount if we are going to save the republic."
Maybe that's what a chunk of the Penn thing is?
The media can't afford to lose what little is left of its meager credibility, so, call for an investigation! Prove it was all up and up! See? The media polices itself, like all good and honest people DO!
Posted by: barbarausa at September 13, 2024 01:43 PM (enw9G)
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Oh, and he's also the first, and I suspect only, politician to come out and flat-out say "She is a marxist" with no ifs, ands, or buts.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:43 PM (LKNus)
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Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2024 01:38 PM (Odg76)
that Kiffness bit is hilarious!
there's also a lot of TikTokery where they're dancing to the meme
that Kiffness bit is hilarious!
there's also a lot of TikTokery where they're dancing to the meme
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:43 PM (dCxaZ)
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I hope the passing from the scene of Trump and Biden and Pelosi and McConnell and all the other elderly politicians will begin a time of younger people seeking office
I agree... Kamala is 60.. How about 39 year old Vance ?
I agree... Kamala is 60.. How about 39 year old Vance ?
Posted by: It's me donna at September 13, 2024 01:43 PM (IyPmt)
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There's Cat on the Menu in the Haitian Stew
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 01:43 PM (U/CEs)
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https://tinyurl.com/3rfvr2nj
Tiffany earring link.
Posted by: Piper at September 13, 2024 01:31 PM (p4NUW)
Weird, I didn't see those when I looked for pearl earrings. Oh, well, never send a man to do a woman's job.
Tiffany earring link.
Posted by: Piper at September 13, 2024 01:31 PM (p4NUW)
Weird, I didn't see those when I looked for pearl earrings. Oh, well, never send a man to do a woman's job.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 13, 2024 01:43 PM (U7wke)
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Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2024 01:38 PM (Odg76)
"people of Springfield, don't eat my dog, here's a catalogue of other things to eat"
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (dCxaZ)
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* broad smile *
* both thumbs up *
"people of Springfield, don't eat my dog, here's a catalogue of other things to eat"
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (dCxaZ)
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* broad smile *
* both thumbs up *
Posted by: Lot at September 13, 2024 01:43 PM (krQz2)
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Walz called Harris that?! What was the context?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (s9EYN)
Apparently (I don't have a link) but he was making a point about her being a "young prosecutor" and it came out as "Young prostituter"
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (s9EYN)
Apparently (I don't have a link) but he was making a point about her being a "young prosecutor" and it came out as "Young prostituter"
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 13, 2024 01:43 PM (dTTBf)
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"people like Penn are thinking "Do I really want to have Kamala around for possibly 8 years?"
That means they have someone waiting in the wings. It might be good to figure out who their next champion is, given all the energy they've put into 2030.
That means they have someone waiting in the wings. It might be good to figure out who their next champion is, given all the energy they've put into 2030.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 13, 2024 01:44 PM (ODhjI)
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Here's another tidbit that she had the exact questions in advance:
The Central Park 5 smear.
That's a pretty deep in the leftie fever swamps smear.
I don't even think Biden has used that one.
But is sure is a convenient and specific tale to magically have at the ready--for not knowing the questions.
If she had just a general impression of the types of questions, she would have just gone with the "very fine people" lie.
But, she already used that one by that point and--consistent with having all the questions-- needed another instance of Trump racism to claim.
The Central Park 5 smear.
That's a pretty deep in the leftie fever swamps smear.
I don't even think Biden has used that one.
But is sure is a convenient and specific tale to magically have at the ready--for not knowing the questions.
If she had just a general impression of the types of questions, she would have just gone with the "very fine people" lie.
But, she already used that one by that point and--consistent with having all the questions-- needed another instance of Trump racism to claim.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 13, 2024 01:44 PM (EItv/)
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The delusions and "hey Michaelangelo, um, you missed a spot up there in the corner" approach to Trump - by people who vote for him - are really something.
Sorry, we allowed our faith to lapse momentarily. We'll never question his divinity again.
Sorry, we allowed our faith to lapse momentarily. We'll never question his divinity again.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:44 PM (xCA6C)
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The "eating our pets" thing has to be a YUGE bummer for the Press.
The debate was a pointless shit fest where nobody did anything and nobody won.
But Trump won the post-debate. The press' lust to "debunk" the Haitian pet-eating and Venezuelan warlord takeovers has accidentally turned it into a major conversation and meme point. It's everywhere now.
The debate was a pointless shit fest where nobody did anything and nobody won.
But Trump won the post-debate. The press' lust to "debunk" the Haitian pet-eating and Venezuelan warlord takeovers has accidentally turned it into a major conversation and meme point. It's everywhere now.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 13, 2024 01:44 PM (HnUIn)
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255 Trump is in.. Los Angeles giving a press conference.. Los Angeles
Posted by: It's me donna at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (IyPmt)
also at a fundraiser...hosted by some of Newsome's relatives who are republican.
Posted by: It's me donna at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (IyPmt)
also at a fundraiser...hosted by some of Newsome's relatives who are republican.
Posted by: IC - #FJB at September 13, 2024 01:44 PM (YiKO5)
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232 I think they've convinced their base that Trump is "literally Hitler". But I think their elites are more along the lines of Hitler. And by that I mean that in MK, Hitler said that the value of religion is that men will die for it.
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Maybe. But whether they're 'true believers' (stupid) or are in on the lie (evil), the result is still the same. I don't credit TV pundits with enough intelligence or rank to be in on the lie, as much as they think they have rank and intelligence... They are just extra-useful idiots... I mean, they're in on the fact that they're lying, but they're not in on the fact that Trump isn't Hitler / is a good leader and good president and those really in charge of the opposition simply want complete unchallenged control and think most people are harmful to the earth and dispensable
Posted by: Axeman
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Maybe. But whether they're 'true believers' (stupid) or are in on the lie (evil), the result is still the same. I don't credit TV pundits with enough intelligence or rank to be in on the lie, as much as they think they have rank and intelligence... They are just extra-useful idiots... I mean, they're in on the fact that they're lying, but they're not in on the fact that Trump isn't Hitler / is a good leader and good president and those really in charge of the opposition simply want complete unchallenged control and think most people are harmful to the earth and dispensable
Posted by: bearski at September 13, 2024 01:44 PM (Bhsk7)
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Someone on X posted that they thought ABC had some weird lighting aimed at Trump's podium that irritated him. Whether that's true or not is just another tidbit about how rigged that so-called debate was.
It's interesting that some of ABC's fellow media travelers are piling on. For a propaganda arm they seem to be somewhat out of their usual lockstep.
It's interesting that some of ABC's fellow media travelers are piling on. For a propaganda arm they seem to be somewhat out of their usual lockstep.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 13, 2024 01:44 PM (Q4IgG)
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Walz called Harris that?! What was the context?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM
Short clip but I think he's introducing her:
https://is.gd/qM6Pdh
/ It's unmistakable.
Walz called Harris that?! What was the context?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM
Short clip but I think he's introducing her:
https://is.gd/qM6Pdh
/ It's unmistakable.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 13, 2024 01:45 PM (RKVpM)
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Does anyone else find Dick Blumenthal's statement about the investigation into the Trump assassination attempt ("the American people will be shocked") disturbing? Why is it coming from him?
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at September 13, 2024 01:45 PM (w6EFb)
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I'll be the first to admit that in the moment, I thought Trump blew it. I actually turned it off during the first commercial break.
I was wrong.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:35 PM (KbCG3)
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Actually, I still thought Trump was ineffective in the debate. But, he's just made debates not matter, it seems.
I think that's correct.
I was wrong.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:35 PM (KbCG3)
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Actually, I still thought Trump was ineffective in the debate. But, he's just made debates not matter, it seems.
I think that's correct.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:45 PM (xCA6C)
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Trump has already declared no more debates while Harris called for another right after… they both know Trump’s ahead.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 13, 2024 01:33 PM (ZtAny)
No, I said this the night of the debate before it was even over, as well as after her campaign said she wanted another debate. Her campaign knows surviving this debate was the best they could possibly ever hope for. Asking for another debate is their way to reinforce that they feel like they won bigly. But they would NEVER put her back on stage unless she's way behind. I think Trump is wise to decline the debate and frame it as her asking because she knows she lost. This is all within what I said would happen--no debate UNLESS she falls way behind in the polls. Much further that whatever tiny bit she might be now (if at all).
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 13, 2024 01:33 PM (ZtAny)
No, I said this the night of the debate before it was even over, as well as after her campaign said she wanted another debate. Her campaign knows surviving this debate was the best they could possibly ever hope for. Asking for another debate is their way to reinforce that they feel like they won bigly. But they would NEVER put her back on stage unless she's way behind. I think Trump is wise to decline the debate and frame it as her asking because she knows she lost. This is all within what I said would happen--no debate UNLESS she falls way behind in the polls. Much further that whatever tiny bit she might be now (if at all).
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at September 13, 2024 01:45 PM (IORSH)
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Since I linked him, here's an old Kiffness remix I really like. The song is, "It's a beautiful day" and features an African boy singing a nice song with a lovely message.
https://youtu.be/anjTd9mraeA
https://youtu.be/anjTd9mraeA
Posted by: bonhomme at September 13, 2024 01:45 PM (Odg76)
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Incidentally, I still can't get over 9/11 memorial with Trump/Vance there, surrounded by his arch enemies, and he looked so comfortable while they all looked uncomfortable and phony.
Incidentally, I still can't get over 9/11 memorial with Trump/Vance there, surrounded by his arch enemies, and he looked so comfortable while they all looked uncomfortable and phony.
Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 13, 2024 01:45 PM (OAOhJ)
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https://tinyurl.com/3rfvr2nj
Tiffany earring link.
Posted by: Piper at September 13, 2024 01:31 PM (p4NUW)
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Those are very attractive earrings.
Also those aren't the earpiece ones.
https://tinyurl.com/2bj4dtlj
Tiffany earring link.
Posted by: Piper at September 13, 2024 01:31 PM (p4NUW)
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Those are very attractive earrings.
Also those aren't the earpiece ones.
https://tinyurl.com/2bj4dtlj
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:45 PM (LKNus)
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I heard "prosetuter" but close enough for government work.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at September 13, 2024 01:46 PM (w6EFb)
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39 yr old Vance is what we should looking for
if you need a nurse to steer you thru the Capitol bldg or the White House, it's time to pull the pin
if you need a nurse to steer you thru the Capitol bldg or the White House, it's time to pull the pin
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:46 PM (/7KEl)
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But Trump won the post-debate. The press' lust to "debunk" the Haitian pet-eating and Venezuelan warlord takeovers has accidentally turned it into a major conversation and meme point. It's everywhere now.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 13, 2024 01:44 PM (HnUIn)
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Hey, somebody who's job is to get elected every 4 years on the idea that he's running the city well said that bad things aren't happening!
Are you some sort of racist that doesn't believe that guy?!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 13, 2024 01:44 PM (HnUIn)
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Hey, somebody who's job is to get elected every 4 years on the idea that he's running the city well said that bad things aren't happening!
Are you some sort of racist that doesn't believe that guy?!
Posted by: Axeman at September 13, 2024 01:46 PM (krQz2)
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"Mark Penn and other long term Dems are pissed about Kamala's rise to the top. She never paid her dues. Never paid homage to the sacred cows like the usual path to democrat tickets. She screwed her way to the top and then Biden picked her because she filled the bill as a black woman.
Posted by: Frank Barone "
Yep. Both political parties are somewhat tied to "who's turn it is" She jumped to the front of the line without any effort. Also part of the reason establishment Republicans don't like Trump.
Posted by: Frank Barone "
Yep. Both political parties are somewhat tied to "who's turn it is" She jumped to the front of the line without any effort. Also part of the reason establishment Republicans don't like Trump.
Posted by: ABC at September 13, 2024 01:46 PM (GUOwU)
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That means they have someone waiting in the wings. It might be good to figure out who their next champion is, given all the energy they've put into 2030.
Posted by: Ribbed
*cough*
Posted by: Ribbed
*cough*
Posted by: Hillary at September 13, 2024 01:46 PM (xCA6C)
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Incidentally, I still can't get over 9/11 memorial with Trump/Vance there, surrounded by his arch enemies, and he looked so comfortable while they all looked uncomfortable and phony.
Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 13, 2024 01:45 PM (OAOhJ)
Kinda of awkward when the guy survived your assassination attempt.
Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 13, 2024 01:45 PM (OAOhJ)
Kinda of awkward when the guy survived your assassination attempt.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (W/1m5)
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The earrings were designed to tweak Trump supporters. Soooo obvious.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (w6EFb)
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Posted by: Soothsayer: at September 13, 2024 01:41 PM (OAOhJ)
I'm sure it's good but I am not watching that cow. Can't listen to her. Like Obama Biden Clinton before her
I'm sure it's good but I am not watching that cow. Can't listen to her. Like Obama Biden Clinton before her
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (U/CEs)
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what wouldn't you do to stop Hitler?
Or a Klondike bar?
Or a Klondike bar?
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (ReaN0)
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OMG Trump lost!!! Yeah he certainly missed opportunities but once again the guy lands in shit and comes out smelling like a rose. The aftermath of this debate proves it. In the end, Trump won.
Posted by: JROD at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (IlL6s)
Spot on, JROD. Quick folks - can anyone remember one line that Kamala stated that resonates even today, a few days after the debate? All we're talking about are cats and dogs.
Trump won, decisively.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 13, 2024 01:36 PM (OxwH5)
You stop it! People want to revel in their misery, who do you guys think you are, taking that away from them.
Posted by: JROD at September 13, 2024 01:32 PM (IlL6s)
Spot on, JROD. Quick folks - can anyone remember one line that Kamala stated that resonates even today, a few days after the debate? All we're talking about are cats and dogs.
Trump won, decisively.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 13, 2024 01:36 PM (OxwH5)
You stop it! People want to revel in their misery, who do you guys think you are, taking that away from them.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (dGCAG)
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I nominate for Freudian Slip of the Year
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:31 PM (/7KEl)
That's my take as well. I suppose he meant to say "prosecutor".
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:31 PM (/7KEl)
That's my take as well. I suppose he meant to say "prosecutor".
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (s9EYN)
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I don't remember the outlet, but I saw a headline yesterday that read: "TRUMP TO HOLD RALLY IN LONG ISLAND, HIS SECOND EMPIRE STATE RALLY IN SEVERAL WEEKS, A STATE HIS TEAM, EARLIER THIS YEAR, SAID THEY CAN WIN"
I'm reminded of his team in 2016 saying "we can win Michigan and Pennsylvania" and everyone laughing at them.
I'm reminded of his team in 2016 saying "we can win Michigan and Pennsylvania" and everyone laughing at them.
Posted by: Shenanigans at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (pZ0Mr)
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If true and substantiated, could this be used in PDT’s defamation case against ABC as retaliation?
Posted by: EveR at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (MUpk6)
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Hillary is dead on arrival. She missed her moment.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (ODhjI)
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Weird, I didn't see those when I looked for pearl earrings. Oh, well, never send a man to do a woman's job.
Posted by: I used to have a different
I have them. I knew what they were called.
Posted by: I used to have a different
I have them. I knew what they were called.
Posted by: Piper at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (d2kuJ)
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9 yr old Vance is what we should looking for
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:46 PM (/7KEl)
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Young? That makes him ten yucky years older than all of us on the blog.
And some of us are pretty far into that 29th year.
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:46 PM (/7KEl)
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Young? That makes him ten yucky years older than all of us on the blog.
And some of us are pretty far into that 29th year.
Posted by: Axeman at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (krQz2)
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It's interesting that some of ABC's fellow media travelers are piling on. For a propaganda arm they seem to be somewhat out of their usual lockstep.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 13, 2024 01:44 PM (Q4IgG)
They have no choice. Their actions betray the knowledge that Trump has just put the entire MSM brand into jeopardy. If it takes throwing ABC under the buss (sic) to save the rest of the media, then so be it.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 13, 2024 01:44 PM (Q4IgG)
They have no choice. Their actions betray the knowledge that Trump has just put the entire MSM brand into jeopardy. If it takes throwing ABC under the buss (sic) to save the rest of the media, then so be it.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (OxwH5)
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Also I'm fairly certain those are nothing at all like the two separate earrings Harris was wearing that weren't the earpiece.
Those were two hoops in two separate holes, not a single hole design with a pearl and two pieces coming off of it.
Those were two hoops in two separate holes, not a single hole design with a pearl and two pieces coming off of it.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:48 PM (LKNus)
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Has anybody seen the alleged affidavit from the ABC whistleblower? Might not have been posted as of yet.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 13, 2024 01:48 PM (hgmb+)
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The 4D Chess people are mercifully extinct now, but Trump's awful instincts aren't.
I wonder if any of the people who continually assure us that Trump has, once again, erred would admit that their dislike of him (not accusing anyone of being NeverTrump) might, possible, color their perception of facts and events and lead them to a less favorable reaction than some mythical completely unbiased person.
I wonder if any of the people who continually assure us that Trump has, once again, erred would admit that their dislike of him (not accusing anyone of being NeverTrump) might, possible, color their perception of facts and events and lead them to a less favorable reaction than some mythical completely unbiased person.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 13, 2024 01:48 PM (U7wke)
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hosted by some of Newsome's relatives who are republican.
Posted by: IC - #FJB
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That must make Thanksgiving AWKWARD
Posted by: IC - #FJB
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That must make Thanksgiving AWKWARD
Posted by: wth at September 13, 2024 01:48 PM (v0R5T)
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Well, the jerk store called, and they're running out of you!
Posted by: Kamala! Zing! at September 13, 2024 01:48 PM (hCzfy)
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Walz called Harris that?! What was the context?
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The glaring Freudian slip of calling Kamala a "prostituter" instead of "prosecutor".
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The glaring Freudian slip of calling Kamala a "prostituter" instead of "prosecutor".
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 13, 2024 01:48 PM (CEzQx)
Posted by: LASue at September 13, 2024 01:48 PM (lCppi)
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I'm reminded of his team in 2016 saying "we can win Michigan and Pennsylvania" and everyone laughing at them.
Posted by: Shenanigans at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (pZ0Mr)
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They can't win Michigan. Benson won't let them.
Posted by: Shenanigans at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (pZ0Mr)
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They can't win Michigan. Benson won't let them.
Posted by: Axeman at September 13, 2024 01:48 PM (krQz2)
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Trump should send me to pinch hit.
I'd open with "since Trump isn't allowed to debate Harris, but had to debate you guys instead, he decided you shouldn't get to debate him, and he sent me. I plan to heap abuse on you like nobody in this country has ever heard. Roll tape, you wretched cunts. This is gonna be fuckin' LIT."
I'd open with "since Trump isn't allowed to debate Harris, but had to debate you guys instead, he decided you shouldn't get to debate him, and he sent me. I plan to heap abuse on you like nobody in this country has ever heard. Roll tape, you wretched cunts. This is gonna be fuckin' LIT."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 13, 2024 01:49 PM (0FoWg)
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Trump won, decisively.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 13, 2024 01:36 PM (OxwH5)
You stop it! People want to revel in their misery, who do you guys think you are, taking that away from them.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (dGCAG)
Careful. People might begin to think we are in the midst of a . . . dare I say it . . . a preference cascade.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 13, 2024 01:36 PM (OxwH5)
You stop it! People want to revel in their misery, who do you guys think you are, taking that away from them.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (dGCAG)
Careful. People might begin to think we are in the midst of a . . . dare I say it . . . a preference cascade.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 13, 2024 01:49 PM (BokUt)
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Sorry, I retract the earring comment, I was looking at the wrong photo. I apologize.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:49 PM (LKNus)
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But is sure is a convenient and specific tale to magically have at the ready--for not knowing the questions.
If she had just a general impression of the types of questions, she would have just gone with the "very fine people" lie.
But, she already used that one by that point and--consistent with having all the questions-- needed another instance of Trump racism to claim.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 13, 2024 01:44 PM (EItv/)
Every single question was easily anticipated. This is not evidence at all that she was given the questions in advance (although they certainly may have given her the questions, I just don't think it would make any meaningful difference). And while I'm at it, the fact that she only came back later to make a comment about something Trump said does not prove she had an earpiece. If anything, that would have helped her come back sooner. It is really hard to speak and think and listen all while someone else is speaking in your ear. All the more difficult if you are an imbecile, which she is. Every election, one side claims the other is getting answers fed to them in their ear. Remember the analysis of the rolls on the back of W's suit?
If she had just a general impression of the types of questions, she would have just gone with the "very fine people" lie.
But, she already used that one by that point and--consistent with having all the questions-- needed another instance of Trump racism to claim.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 13, 2024 01:44 PM (EItv/)
Every single question was easily anticipated. This is not evidence at all that she was given the questions in advance (although they certainly may have given her the questions, I just don't think it would make any meaningful difference). And while I'm at it, the fact that she only came back later to make a comment about something Trump said does not prove she had an earpiece. If anything, that would have helped her come back sooner. It is really hard to speak and think and listen all while someone else is speaking in your ear. All the more difficult if you are an imbecile, which she is. Every election, one side claims the other is getting answers fed to them in their ear. Remember the analysis of the rolls on the back of W's suit?
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at September 13, 2024 01:49 PM (IORSH)
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But Trump won the post-debate. The press' lust to "debunk" the Haitian pet-eating and Venezuelan warlord takeovers has accidentally turned it into a major conversation and meme point. It's everywhere now
yep
the one with the most memes wins
I didn't watch the debate, and the day after saw all these memes of Trump surrounded by cats and ducks and I was all...???wtf
then I found out about the viral TikTok Dance and I figured it out.
So yeah, Trump the Debate Loser has exponentially raised his profile among people who don't even pay attention by breaking the internet.
yep
the one with the most memes wins
I didn't watch the debate, and the day after saw all these memes of Trump surrounded by cats and ducks and I was all...???wtf
then I found out about the viral TikTok Dance and I figured it out.
So yeah, Trump the Debate Loser has exponentially raised his profile among people who don't even pay attention by breaking the internet.
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:49 PM (dCxaZ)
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"One common saying is that Haitians are 70 percent Catholic, 30 percent Protestant, and 100 percent voodoo," said Lynne Warberg, a photographer who has documented Haitian voodoo for over a decade.
Left wing National Geographic disinformation.
"One common saying is that Haitians are 70 percent Catholic, 30 percent Protestant, and 100 percent voodoo," said Lynne Warberg, a photographer who has documented Haitian voodoo for over a decade.
Left wing National Geographic disinformation.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 13, 2024 01:49 PM (RKVpM)
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285 I'll be the first to admit that in the moment, I thought Trump blew it. I actually turned it off during the first commercial break.
I was wrong.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:35 PM (KbCG3)
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Actually, I still thought Trump was ineffective in the debate. But, he's just made debates not matter, it seems.
I think that's correct.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:45 PM (xCA6C)
I disagree. He may have rendered the traditional debate paradigm obsolete, but what happened Tuesday night appears to very much matter.
I was wrong.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:35 PM (KbCG3)
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Actually, I still thought Trump was ineffective in the debate. But, he's just made debates not matter, it seems.
I think that's correct.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:45 PM (xCA6C)
I disagree. He may have rendered the traditional debate paradigm obsolete, but what happened Tuesday night appears to very much matter.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:50 PM (KbCG3)
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Hillary is dead on arrival. She missed her moment.
Posted by: Ribbed
It was a joke. I've been listening to people saying Hillary would be the nom for years, and have always said her time has passed.
Posted by: Ribbed
It was a joke. I've been listening to people saying Hillary would be the nom for years, and have always said her time has passed.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:50 PM (xCA6C)
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I just got here so don't know if anyone mentioned the guy who played the whole debate for Chat GPT and then asked if it to analyze whether it was biased. It's amazing. I'll see if I can find it.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 13, 2024 01:50 PM (t/2Uw)
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PA WI and MI all had Tea Party remnants in office in 2016. Not so this time. We need Whitmer and Shapiro to want to run in 28.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at September 13, 2024 01:50 PM (7PziG)
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Still waiting on someone to do this meme:
Guy dressed in camo using a duck call. Getting depressed that no ducks seem to respond. Tries one final time and around the corner a group of Haitians with machetes come bounding towards him.
Guy dressed in camo using a duck call. Getting depressed that no ducks seem to respond. Tries one final time and around the corner a group of Haitians with machetes come bounding towards him.
Posted by: Orson at September 13, 2024 01:50 PM (dIske)
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That said, it was pretty cool how she carefully never messed with the right side of her head, wasn't it?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:50 PM (LKNus)
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>Has anybody seen the alleged affidavit from the ABC whistleblower? Might not have been posted as of yet.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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there is no affidavit
IMO
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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there is no affidavit
IMO
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:50 PM (/7KEl)
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Eh, could Trump's debate performance been better?
Sure.
However- as I've said before and what seems to be playing out now in real time is:
1) The big take-away from the debate is that Kamala was neither smart enough nor strong enough to handle Trump by herself.
It took 3 people debating Trump to fight him to a stand-still or to lose to him (your choice, doesn't matter)
Kamala couldn't handle a simple political debate by herself. She is not Preezy material.
This is playing out in real time as the Democrats now have some hack expert going to study if ABC did cheat in the debate. People are talking about it.
2) Kamala's body language was weird and awful, her constant Bidenesque smirking was a failure, she was unlikable as hell. And her entire debate was taunting and name-calling. Again, she didn't look like Presidential material.
This perception is playing out in real time as well.
3) Trump did fine. His body language was controlled and minimal. He talked policy. He made some palpable hits on Kamala, which she showed in her smirking body language and blank face, until she remembered/was reminded to smirk.
Luck or skill? Trump won in the aftermath.
Sure.
However- as I've said before and what seems to be playing out now in real time is:
1) The big take-away from the debate is that Kamala was neither smart enough nor strong enough to handle Trump by herself.
It took 3 people debating Trump to fight him to a stand-still or to lose to him (your choice, doesn't matter)
Kamala couldn't handle a simple political debate by herself. She is not Preezy material.
This is playing out in real time as the Democrats now have some hack expert going to study if ABC did cheat in the debate. People are talking about it.
2) Kamala's body language was weird and awful, her constant Bidenesque smirking was a failure, she was unlikable as hell. And her entire debate was taunting and name-calling. Again, she didn't look like Presidential material.
This perception is playing out in real time as well.
3) Trump did fine. His body language was controlled and minimal. He talked policy. He made some palpable hits on Kamala, which she showed in her smirking body language and blank face, until she remembered/was reminded to smirk.
Luck or skill? Trump won in the aftermath.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 13, 2024 01:50 PM (eDfFs)
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Also those aren't the earpiece ones.
https://tinyurl.com/2bj4dtlj
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:45 PM (LKNus
I know - they are the ones she wore, which aren’t the ear piece ones. Are we saying the same thing? She wore the Tiffany ones, not the ear piece ones. They go with her Hardware necklace people were flipping out about because of price. It’s all from the Hardware line.
https://tinyurl.com/2bj4dtlj
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:45 PM (LKNus
I know - they are the ones she wore, which aren’t the ear piece ones. Are we saying the same thing? She wore the Tiffany ones, not the ear piece ones. They go with her Hardware necklace people were flipping out about because of price. It’s all from the Hardware line.
Posted by: Piper at September 13, 2024 01:51 PM (d2kuJ)
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@278 Archimedes-always with the smarmy smug sniping "never question his divinity again" as opposed to your old tried n true "Trump cult" to fellow commenters. Never; hey I might have been wrong. Good old pride n ego. You DeSantis Bros are insufferable, but at least in your case you're smarter than Blago and Ribbed. I'll give you that.
Posted by: JROD at September 13, 2024 01:51 PM (IlL6s)
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Oh, and let's not forget that there was a minor bit of fretting about Taylor Swift's endorsement.
Talk about a wet fart.
Do most people even know? I mean, that got obliterated from news almost the minute it happened.
Talk about a wet fart.
Do most people even know? I mean, that got obliterated from news almost the minute it happened.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 13, 2024 01:51 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 13, 2024 01:51 PM (ReaN0)
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@Archimedes
I think she was getting jumpy this time, but it's now safely passed, thank God. America is going to backlash and go young next election.
I think she was getting jumpy this time, but it's now safely passed, thank God. America is going to backlash and go young next election.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 13, 2024 01:51 PM (ODhjI)
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The pet eating memes are out there to mock Trump, who looks like an idiot saying Haitians are eating pets. The man is an orange joke!!!
Posted by: Sid at September 13, 2024 01:52 PM (2Jr9c)
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 13, 2024 01:52 PM (BokUt)
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327 >Has anybody seen the alleged affidavit from the ABC whistleblower? Might not have been posted as of yet.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
Kind of thinking it was a fake
Posted by: Smell the Glove
Kind of thinking it was a fake
Posted by: It's me donna at September 13, 2024 01:52 PM (IyPmt)
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And they were wrong on all of their 'fact ' checks.
Pretty major problem .
Posted by: LASue at September 13, 2024 01:48 PM (lCppi)
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Well, one "fact-check" was a strawman. Trump never said "states where it is legal to kill your unborn after 9 months" he talked about places where they believed you should be able to.
Another fact check was that an interested party said that's not happening, so that's some sort of fact.
However, without material to actually check with facts, that really establishes the case that Muir was arguing with Trump, and thus debating with Trump.
It's not like Kamala couldn't have brought that up as a counter. Definitely permissible counter in a debate. Coming from the "moderators", that's interference.
Pretty major problem .
Posted by: LASue at September 13, 2024 01:48 PM (lCppi)
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Well, one "fact-check" was a strawman. Trump never said "states where it is legal to kill your unborn after 9 months" he talked about places where they believed you should be able to.
Another fact check was that an interested party said that's not happening, so that's some sort of fact.
However, without material to actually check with facts, that really establishes the case that Muir was arguing with Trump, and thus debating with Trump.
It's not like Kamala couldn't have brought that up as a counter. Definitely permissible counter in a debate. Coming from the "moderators", that's interference.
Posted by: Axeman at September 13, 2024 01:52 PM (krQz2)
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316 Trump won, decisively.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 13, 2024 01:36 PM (OxwH5)
You stop it! People want to revel in their misery, who do you guys think you are, taking that away from them.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (dGCAG)
Careful. People might begin to think we are in the midst of a . . . dare I say it . . . a preference cascade.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 13, 2024 01:49 PM (BokUt)
I would estimate the preference cascade really started three weeks ago today (!) when RFKJ endorsed PDJT.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 13, 2024 01:36 PM (OxwH5)
You stop it! People want to revel in their misery, who do you guys think you are, taking that away from them.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 13, 2024 01:47 PM (dGCAG)
Careful. People might begin to think we are in the midst of a . . . dare I say it . . . a preference cascade.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 13, 2024 01:49 PM (BokUt)
I would estimate the preference cascade really started three weeks ago today (!) when RFKJ endorsed PDJT.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 13, 2024 01:52 PM (OxwH5)
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315 Trump should send me to pinch hit.
I'd open with "since Trump isn't allowed to debate Harris, but had to debate you guys instead, he decided you shouldn't get to debate him, and he sent me. I plan to heap abuse on you like nobody in this country has ever heard. Roll tape, you wretched cunts. This is gonna be fuckin' LIT."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 13, 2024 01:49 PM (0FoWg)
I would pay to see that. Heh.
I'd open with "since Trump isn't allowed to debate Harris, but had to debate you guys instead, he decided you shouldn't get to debate him, and he sent me. I plan to heap abuse on you like nobody in this country has ever heard. Roll tape, you wretched cunts. This is gonna be fuckin' LIT."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 13, 2024 01:49 PM (0FoWg)
I would pay to see that. Heh.
Posted by: Emmie at September 13, 2024 01:52 PM (cSvoa)
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 13, 2024 01:53 PM (ReaN0)
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Don't think Trump won the debate, and yet his foes managed to overplay their hands.
Kamala's exaggerated faces, laughing hysterically at chaos in Springfield. The moderators going too far.
People don't need the debate to know Trump's policies, records and thoughts on current events - just find his twitter feed, one of his podcast interviews, his record as POTUS.
Kamal? She's a mystery, by choice, and HAD to nail it. Any person could see she had help without quibbling about the specifics. Nice to see that people cannot be so easily pushed into Kamala win = election win.
Kamala's exaggerated faces, laughing hysterically at chaos in Springfield. The moderators going too far.
People don't need the debate to know Trump's policies, records and thoughts on current events - just find his twitter feed, one of his podcast interviews, his record as POTUS.
Kamal? She's a mystery, by choice, and HAD to nail it. Any person could see she had help without quibbling about the specifics. Nice to see that people cannot be so easily pushed into Kamala win = election win.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 13, 2024 01:53 PM (Pijte)
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I wonder if any of the people who continually assure us that Trump has, once again, erred would admit that their dislike of him (not accusing anyone of being NeverTrump) might, possible, color their perception of facts and events and lead them to a less favorable reaction than some mythical completely unbiased person.
Or could they simply see things differently than some of the more...enthusiastic Trump supporters because they don't let their allegiance to him blind them to his flaws?
Or could they simply see things differently than some of the more...enthusiastic Trump supporters because they don't let their allegiance to him blind them to his flaws?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:53 PM (xCA6C)
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Everyone quit saying Trump had a bad debate. JROD hasn't had his nap and he's getting fussy again.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 13, 2024 01:53 PM (ODhjI)
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>Oh, and let's not forget that there was a minor bit of fretting about Taylor Swift's endorsement.
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well, it was about as surprising as the Sun rising in the east
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well, it was about as surprising as the Sun rising in the east
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:53 PM (/7KEl)
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And the MFM pushed the Taylor Swift endorsement crap relentlessly the next day because Kamala kicked the shit out of Trump. Sure.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 13, 2024 01:53 PM (CEzQx)
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Archimedes, jesus you're an idiot. Nice repetition of ace's idiotic and illogical nonsense the other night about Trump Enforcement Officers, or whatever it was.
Rejecting and disassembling the lame, lazy, and incorrect criticism of something/someone means you "worship" that something/someone?
Feelz and absence of critical thinking are just as ugly and stupid on one side of the political spectrum as the other.
Rejecting and disassembling the lame, lazy, and incorrect criticism of something/someone means you "worship" that something/someone?
Feelz and absence of critical thinking are just as ugly and stupid on one side of the political spectrum as the other.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 13, 2024 01:54 PM (GcNJ2)
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I cannot think of a single presidential debate that I have ever seen where the moderators served the purpose of a moderator. Ever. Not one. The "moderators" are always participants. They just rejiggered the rules to do it just a tad bit (but really only a tad bit) more publicly than usual.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
Been reading, prolly late on this, but I do remember Jim Lehrer doing a good job (tho I don't remember who he moderated, I just remember it seeming fair)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
Been reading, prolly late on this, but I do remember Jim Lehrer doing a good job (tho I don't remember who he moderated, I just remember it seeming fair)
Posted by: Oedipus at September 13, 2024 01:54 PM (Z6vKV)
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I know - they are the ones she wore, which aren’t the ear piece ones. Are we saying the same thing? She wore the Tiffany ones, not the ear piece ones. They go with her Hardware necklace people were flipping out about because of price. It’s all from the Hardware line.
Posted by: Piper
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I was looking at the wrong ear photo so I've apologized and stepped completely away from the womens jewelry conversation.
I still suspect she had an earpiece, but I won't speculate on manufacturer.
Posted by: Piper
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I was looking at the wrong ear photo so I've apologized and stepped completely away from the womens jewelry conversation.
I still suspect she had an earpiece, but I won't speculate on manufacturer.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:54 PM (LKNus)
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Here is the debate analysis by Chat GPT
https://tinyurl.com/45u5ypju
https://tinyurl.com/45u5ypju
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 13, 2024 01:54 PM (t/2Uw)
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cool
blog slapfight
blog slapfight
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:54 PM (/7KEl)
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But Trump won the post-debate. The press' lust to "debunk" the Haitian pet-eating and Venezuelan warlord takeovers has accidentally turned it into a major conversation and meme point. It's everywhere now
Streisand Effect, FTW!
Streisand Effect, FTW!
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:55 PM (xCA6C)
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the one with the most memes wins
I didn't watch the debate, and the day after saw all these memes of Trump surrounded by cats and ducks and I was all...???wtf
then I found out about the viral TikTok Dance and I figured it out.
So yeah, Trump the Debate Loser has exponentially raised his profile among people who don't even pay attention by breaking the internet.
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:49 PM (dCxaZ)
I saw a meme yesterday, showed a couple white guys with rifles, holding a dead leopard, said something like "The Real Killers of Cats."
Ummm, no. I mean yes, any "big game" hunter who does a canned kill of lions and leopards should be shot himself, but the people who are killing African big cats in Africa are... Africans!
Let's have that conversation, shall we?
I didn't watch the debate, and the day after saw all these memes of Trump surrounded by cats and ducks and I was all...???wtf
then I found out about the viral TikTok Dance and I figured it out.
So yeah, Trump the Debate Loser has exponentially raised his profile among people who don't even pay attention by breaking the internet.
Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2024 01:49 PM (dCxaZ)
I saw a meme yesterday, showed a couple white guys with rifles, holding a dead leopard, said something like "The Real Killers of Cats."
Ummm, no. I mean yes, any "big game" hunter who does a canned kill of lions and leopards should be shot himself, but the people who are killing African big cats in Africa are... Africans!
Let's have that conversation, shall we?
Posted by: BurtTC at September 13, 2024 01:55 PM (dGCAG)
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"there was a minor bit of fretting about Taylor Swift's endorsement."
Musk torpedoed that one. Karen was not amused.
Musk torpedoed that one. Karen was not amused.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 13, 2024 01:55 PM (ODhjI)
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Sorry, we allowed our faith to lapse momentarily. We'll never question his divinity again.
Posted by: Archimedes
Damn.
*disappointedly takes down stake, removes kindling*
Posted by: Archimedes
Damn.
*disappointedly takes down stake, removes kindling*
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 13, 2024 01:55 PM (v6JzV)
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327 >Has anybody seen the alleged affidavit from the ABC whistleblower? Might not have been posted as of yet.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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there is no affidavit
IMO
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:50 PM (/7KEl)
I'm inclined to believe that there is. If Penn is saying something that warrants this post from Ace, I'm thinking that someone is trying to get ahead of its release.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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there is no affidavit
IMO
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:50 PM (/7KEl)
I'm inclined to believe that there is. If Penn is saying something that warrants this post from Ace, I'm thinking that someone is trying to get ahead of its release.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 13, 2024 01:55 PM (OxwH5)
Posted by: Piper at September 13, 2024 01:56 PM (e8mjv)
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What we need is common sense PMS control.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at September 13, 2024 01:56 PM (QSrLX)
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Posted by: Sid at September 13, 2024 01:52 PM
The pet eating memes are so great, nothing nasty about them. Sid is unfortunately out of touch with reality.
Trump in a popular vote victory and EC landslide. Ras? +2 national.
"They're Eating the Pets." I may have a button printed up with that slogan when I go to vote early and often on election day.
Posted by: Sid at September 13, 2024 01:52 PM
The pet eating memes are so great, nothing nasty about them. Sid is unfortunately out of touch with reality.
Trump in a popular vote victory and EC landslide. Ras? +2 national.
"They're Eating the Pets." I may have a button printed up with that slogan when I go to vote early and often on election day.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 13, 2024 01:56 PM (RKVpM)
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She ducked the questions. She prepped her talking points and the moderators didn't follow up by asking the question again. Trump didn't ask her either.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at September 13, 2024 01:56 PM (/nnfk)
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Sorry, we allowed our faith to lapse momentarily. We'll never question his divinity again.
Posted by: Archimedes
Damn.
*disappointedly takes down stake, removes kindling*
Now THAT'S how you respond to snark.
Posted by: Archimedes
Damn.
*disappointedly takes down stake, removes kindling*
Now THAT'S how you respond to snark.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:56 PM (xCA6C)
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Who was that guy from PBS? Jim something. He wasn't too bad.
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead
Okay, so it WASN'T just me ...
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead
Okay, so it WASN'T just me ...
Posted by: Oedipus at September 13, 2024 01:57 PM (Z6vKV)
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Is this why they strangely associated Kamala with "pearls"?
For this very moment?
Yep. I do believe it is. Couldn't make sense of that one until now.
For this very moment?
Yep. I do believe it is. Couldn't make sense of that one until now.
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 01:57 PM (U/CEs)
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I'll be willowed but, Lucky Floridians
Floridas medical professionals are told to tell their patients the dangers regarding COVID vaccine and recommend that their patients not take them!
https://tinyurl.com/bdytz7n2
Kentucky folks are trying too...
Mary Talley Bowden MD @MdBreathe 5h
Follow and support the politicians who share our values!
The following candidates and elected officials in KY have called for the C0VID shots to be pulled off the market and pledged not to take donations from BigPharma.
I'll be willowed but, Lucky Floridians
Floridas medical professionals are told to tell their patients the dangers regarding COVID vaccine and recommend that their patients not take them!
https://tinyurl.com/bdytz7n2
Kentucky folks are trying too...
Mary Talley Bowden MD @MdBreathe 5h
Follow and support the politicians who share our values!
The following candidates and elected officials in KY have called for the C0VID shots to be pulled off the market and pledged not to take donations from BigPharma.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 13, 2024 01:58 PM (e1Vxp)
364
I keep wondering about a preference cascade. Would I even accurately perceive it since my exposure to public sentiment is YouTube, which tailors suggested videos to my apparent interests? For instance, I watch videos about blacks supporting Trump, so I am presented more videos about blacks supporting Trump. To me it looks like blacks overwhelmingly prefer Trump
Posted by: Emmie at September 13, 2024 01:58 PM (cSvoa)
365
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 13, 2024 01:56 PM (RKVpM)
"sid" is our old friend David French
"sid" is our old friend David French
Posted by: runner at September 13, 2024 01:58 PM (V13WU)
366
I propose settling Trump and DeSantis commenters differences in a boxing ring at the next MoMe in Virgina!
Marcus of Queensborough rules of course!
Marcus of Queensborough rules of course!
Posted by: JROD at September 13, 2024 01:58 PM (IlL6s)
367
Be on the lookout for the term "sanewashing" being floated in Lefty circles. They're testing it as a description of Trump's post-debate spin. Not great, but better than their test run of Walz's "tonic masculinity" lol
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 13, 2024 01:58 PM (JCZqz)
368
I would estimate the preference cascade really started three weeks ago today (!) when RFKJ endorsed PDJT.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 13, 2024 01:52 PM (OxwH5)
Perhaps even more importantly, those people pissed off Nicole Shanahan, and she seems to have taken this on as her personal mission to frag them every chance she gets.
She's got tech money, and like Musk, she's not afraid to spend it on what matters to her... and at this point what matters to her is destroying the Democrat Party (as it currently exists).
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 13, 2024 01:52 PM (OxwH5)
Perhaps even more importantly, those people pissed off Nicole Shanahan, and she seems to have taken this on as her personal mission to frag them every chance she gets.
She's got tech money, and like Musk, she's not afraid to spend it on what matters to her... and at this point what matters to her is destroying the Democrat Party (as it currently exists).
Posted by: BurtTC at September 13, 2024 01:59 PM (dGCAG)
369
Their voters are complicit with the elite.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at September 13, 2024 01:59 PM (yG575)
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I was looking at the wrong ear photo so I've apologized and stepped completely away from the womens jewelry conversation.
I still suspect she had an earpiece, but I won't speculate on manufacturer.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September
Don’t apologize! I thought I was being dense, which wouldn’t be that far fetched! I wanted to be sure. I could see why people think that, however, if you have ever tried to listen and repeat what is being said in your ear, it’s really hard. It’s far more believable she was recalling facts from know what was getting ready and spitting out memorized speeches, like knowing the exact percentage of a specific ethnic group in the area they were debating. That was not by chance. She had a very good idea what was coming at her.
I still suspect she had an earpiece, but I won't speculate on manufacturer.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September
Don’t apologize! I thought I was being dense, which wouldn’t be that far fetched! I wanted to be sure. I could see why people think that, however, if you have ever tried to listen and repeat what is being said in your ear, it’s really hard. It’s far more believable she was recalling facts from know what was getting ready and spitting out memorized speeches, like knowing the exact percentage of a specific ethnic group in the area they were debating. That was not by chance. She had a very good idea what was coming at her.
Posted by: Piper at September 13, 2024 01:59 PM (11JP3)
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"That's in the scripture"
wow.
woooooowwww.
1. She's so scared of her liberal fellow travelers turning on her over her husband praying "Lord give her the words to say" that she feels the need to claim scriptural authority of making that specific request in prayer.
2. The passage she must be referring to is Jesus saying to his disciples "and when they arrest you do not worry about what to say, at that time it will be given to you what to say". Which is about the disciples being persecuted and dragged before the courts--this is the parallel she is drawing for herself. Wow. Wow.
wow.
woooooowwww.
1. She's so scared of her liberal fellow travelers turning on her over her husband praying "Lord give her the words to say" that she feels the need to claim scriptural authority of making that specific request in prayer.
2. The passage she must be referring to is Jesus saying to his disciples "and when they arrest you do not worry about what to say, at that time it will be given to you what to say". Which is about the disciples being persecuted and dragged before the courts--this is the parallel she is drawing for herself. Wow. Wow.
Posted by: TexasDan at September 13, 2024 01:59 PM (z/ifB)
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I keep wondering about a preference cascade. Would I even accurately perceive it since my exposure to public sentiment is YouTube, which tailors suggested videos to my apparent interests? For instance, I watch videos about blacks supporting Trump, so I am presented more videos about blacks supporting Trump. To me it looks like blacks overwhelmingly prefer Trump
Good point.
Good point.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 13, 2024 01:59 PM (xCA6C)
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>I'm inclined to believe that there is. If Penn is saying something that warrants this post from Ace, I'm thinking that someone is trying to get ahead of its release.
Posted by: Darrell Harris
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well, I'm a dedicated pessimist
Posted by: Darrell Harris
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well, I'm a dedicated pessimist
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 01:59 PM (/7KEl)
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The nation is definitely in a weird place. Our president seems to have retired on the job and it seems that everyone is waiting for something to happen. Harris is running on fumes from the 40 % hardcore Dems
The propaganda ministries are in a strange spin cycle of trying to be dutiful troops while being completely ignored by Harris. And Trump is Trump. Look out below
The propaganda ministries are in a strange spin cycle of trying to be dutiful troops while being completely ignored by Harris. And Trump is Trump. Look out below
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 13, 2024 01:59 PM (hgmb+)
375
Well that would be better than a battle of wits.
Posted by: Ribbed at September 13, 2024 01:59 PM (ODhjI)
376
How long will we have to wait for the "the debate was tainted by the moderators bias" to be labeled as misinformation?
Posted by: Sock Monkey * considering the imponderables at September 13, 2024 01:59 PM (42DR8)
377
I voted for Trump; I will do so again, God willing, but I do not and never have- worshipped him. I have a triune God-Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I actually have never seen any person who I thought worshipped Trump.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 13, 2024 01:59 PM (dTTBf)
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I think that unlike a normal Presidential Debate the challenge for Harris to prove herself presidential material was a lot higher than making the best appearance in a "debate".
She fell below that mark, and sane people know that Trump can run an economy, the #1 concern of most Americans.
And a reason that she visibly fell below that mark is that ABC made it obvious they were giving her a boost to get as close to it as she did.
She fell below that mark, and sane people know that Trump can run an economy, the #1 concern of most Americans.
And a reason that she visibly fell below that mark is that ABC made it obvious they were giving her a boost to get as close to it as she did.
Posted by: Axeman at September 13, 2024 02:00 PM (krQz2)
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I don't think it matters very much whether Trump "won" the debate. I would say debates matter less than ever because of the 24/7 news environment.
I wouldn't be surprised, though, if a sample error causes a Harris "bump" in the polling. That happened after the first debate in 2012. I recommend Andrew Gelman's article "The Mythical Swing Voter" on this issue.
I wouldn't be surprised, though, if a sample error causes a Harris "bump" in the polling. That happened after the first debate in 2012. I recommend Andrew Gelman's article "The Mythical Swing Voter" on this issue.
Posted by: mikeybates at September 13, 2024 02:00 PM (/4qWm)
380
Trump engaged and cornered her one time that I saw.
On protecting babies in the 8th and 9th month which he likely predicted she would dodge.
The media might not be talking about it but people saw it. And most people are put off if not revolted by it.
On protecting babies in the 8th and 9th month which he likely predicted she would dodge.
The media might not be talking about it but people saw it. And most people are put off if not revolted by it.
Posted by: ... at September 13, 2024 02:01 PM (U/CEs)
381
I suppose David Muir's face looks like that from being stuck up his ass.
Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at September 13, 2024 02:01 PM (tJfK9)
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Since we're deep in the motivational segment of the election cycle, which side is angry enough, desperate enough, and faithful enough to turn out to vote? Those ABC-Disney bubbleheads and their DNC directors didn't really follow that one through. Trump should adjust his rhetoric a bit : "If they're comfortable enough to cheat and break the rules for me, imagine what they're going to do to you."
Posted by: mrp at September 13, 2024 02:01 PM (rj6Yv)
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364 I keep wondering about a preference cascade. Would I even accurately perceive it since my exposure to public sentiment is YouTube, which tailors suggested videos to my apparent interests? For instance, I watch videos about blacks supporting Trump, so I am presented more videos about blacks supporting Trump. To me it looks like blacks overwhelmingly prefer Trump
Posted by: Emmie at September 13, 2024 01:58 PM (cSvoa)
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I think we're actually still in the middle of the preference cascade that happened in 2010.
2012 was fortified (Brenda Sykes was still running elections in Broward County, just to recall).
2016 slipped through their fingers.
2018, they got help from the GOPe.
2020, Democrats let loose, with help from the GOPe.
2022, they didn't let go.
The pendulum has been held back for more than a decade now, only slipping for the brief moment that was 2016.
Posted by: Emmie at September 13, 2024 01:58 PM (cSvoa)
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I think we're actually still in the middle of the preference cascade that happened in 2010.
2012 was fortified (Brenda Sykes was still running elections in Broward County, just to recall).
2016 slipped through their fingers.
2018, they got help from the GOPe.
2020, Democrats let loose, with help from the GOPe.
2022, they didn't let go.
The pendulum has been held back for more than a decade now, only slipping for the brief moment that was 2016.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 13, 2024 02:01 PM (GBKbO)
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Grammie, I believe you're talking about Jim Lehrer
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 13, 2024 02:01 PM (hgmb+)
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285 I'll be the first to admit that in the moment, I thought Trump blew it. I actually turned it off during the first commercial break.
I was wrong.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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Actually, I still thought Trump was ineffective in the debate. But, he's just made debates not matter, it seems.
Posted by: Axeman
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I think that's correct.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Also agree with Axeman. I also turned it off early on and thought Trump blew it. The only reason I'd accept that he didn't blow it is that he simply went through it all and let everyone see how scheming and hateful towards Trump but otherwise uninterested in the country Kamala and the moderators are, which he did. Sure he landed some blows and had a good close, but that entire spectacle was predictable...
And I agree that Trump has made debates irrelevant. Which is sad. I'd take Trump 2016-2020 over the alternatives so that ship has sailed, but my 8 year old started learning about presidents and wanted to watch the debate, and I had to stop him. I don't blame Trump for the TDS against him, but his style has lowered the bar to where a kid can't watch a presidential debate, IMO...
I was wrong.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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Actually, I still thought Trump was ineffective in the debate. But, he's just made debates not matter, it seems.
Posted by: Axeman
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I think that's correct.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Also agree with Axeman. I also turned it off early on and thought Trump blew it. The only reason I'd accept that he didn't blow it is that he simply went through it all and let everyone see how scheming and hateful towards Trump but otherwise uninterested in the country Kamala and the moderators are, which he did. Sure he landed some blows and had a good close, but that entire spectacle was predictable...
And I agree that Trump has made debates irrelevant. Which is sad. I'd take Trump 2016-2020 over the alternatives so that ship has sailed, but my 8 year old started learning about presidents and wanted to watch the debate, and I had to stop him. I don't blame Trump for the TDS against him, but his style has lowered the bar to where a kid can't watch a presidential debate, IMO...
Posted by: bearski at September 13, 2024 02:01 PM (Bhsk7)
386
Nood. Memes and whine.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 13, 2024 02:01 PM (U7wke)
387
NAACP @NAACP Sep 11
For the record: You cannot have an abortion in the 9th month. You cannot have an abortion after birth. If we didn’t keep banning books, maybe we wouldn’t have to clear that up. #Debate2024
Gabriel Hughes @Pastor_Gabe Sep 12
Lie.
There are 10,000 late-term abortions each year. For those very few children who survive an abortion, born alive, they can be left to die in 15 states and in Washington D.C.
Defiant L’s @DefiantLs 18h
Letting you be the judge on this one.
https://tinyurl.com/y3emwjdf
For the record: You cannot have an abortion in the 9th month. You cannot have an abortion after birth. If we didn’t keep banning books, maybe we wouldn’t have to clear that up. #Debate2024
Gabriel Hughes @Pastor_Gabe Sep 12
Lie.
There are 10,000 late-term abortions each year. For those very few children who survive an abortion, born alive, they can be left to die in 15 states and in Washington D.C.
Defiant L’s @DefiantLs 18h
Letting you be the judge on this one.
https://tinyurl.com/y3emwjdf
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 13, 2024 02:01 PM (CEzQx)
388
How long will we have to wait for the "the debate was tainted by the moderators bias" to be labeled as misinformation?
Posted by: Sock Monkey * considering the imponderables at September 13, 2024 01:59 PM (42DR
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I sang a hit song about that date.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * considering the imponderables at September 13, 2024 01:59 PM (42DR
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I sang a hit song about that date.
Posted by: Zombie Johnny Mathis at September 13, 2024 02:01 PM (krQz2)
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>Marcus of Queensborough rules of course!
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The proprieties at all times, gentlemen, if you please
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The proprieties at all times, gentlemen, if you please
Posted by: Don Black- resupplied now & rolling like a juggernaut at September 13, 2024 02:01 PM (/7KEl)
390
". She's so scared of her liberal fellow travelers turning on her over her husband praying "Lord give her the words to say"
Who is this about?
Who is this about?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 13, 2024 02:01 PM (dTTBf)
391
336 Kind of thinking it was a fake
Posted by: It's me donna at September
He said this weekend as it’s still with lawyers and he has been threatened with a lawsuit.
Posted by: It's me donna at September
He said this weekend as it’s still with lawyers and he has been threatened with a lawsuit.
Posted by: Piper at September 13, 2024 02:02 PM (e8mjv)
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For instance, I watch videos about blacks supporting Trump, so I am presented more videos about blacks supporting Trump. To me it looks like blacks overwhelmingly prefer Trump
Posted by: Emmie
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Wisdom comes when you accept that very, very few of them actually vote, and turnout will still be 107%.
Posted by: Emmie
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Wisdom comes when you accept that very, very few of them actually vote, and turnout will still be 107%.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 02:02 PM (LKNus)
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I keep wondering about a preference cascade. Would I even accurately perceive it since my exposure to public sentiment is YouTube, which tailors suggested videos to my apparent interests? For instance, I watch videos about blacks supporting Trump, so I am presented more videos about blacks supporting Trump. To me it looks like blacks overwhelmingly prefer Trump
Posted by: Emmie at September 13, 2024 01:58 PM
I'm seeing them all over Twitter/X too. Surprisingly enough both male and females of color.
Harris's goose is cooked longer then a Haitian's who returned from the pond three hours ago.
I keep wondering about a preference cascade. Would I even accurately perceive it since my exposure to public sentiment is YouTube, which tailors suggested videos to my apparent interests? For instance, I watch videos about blacks supporting Trump, so I am presented more videos about blacks supporting Trump. To me it looks like blacks overwhelmingly prefer Trump
Posted by: Emmie at September 13, 2024 01:58 PM
I'm seeing them all over Twitter/X too. Surprisingly enough both male and females of color.
Harris's goose is cooked longer then a Haitian's who returned from the pond three hours ago.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 13, 2024 02:02 PM (RKVpM)
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For those of you who still think Trump lost:
https://tinyurl.com/mtv9kcy5
These memes are all over the internet, Tik Tok and radio. Coupled with more and more people coming forward to complain about illegal immigrants, it has created a firestorm and forced the media to cover what Biden/Harris has done with flying and bussing massive numbers into rural communities. It is brilliant.
https://tinyurl.com/mtv9kcy5
These memes are all over the internet, Tik Tok and radio. Coupled with more and more people coming forward to complain about illegal immigrants, it has created a firestorm and forced the media to cover what Biden/Harris has done with flying and bussing massive numbers into rural communities. It is brilliant.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 13, 2024 02:03 PM (t/2Uw)
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NAACP @NAACP Sep 11
For the record: You cannot have an abortion in the 9th month. You cannot have an abortion after birth. If we didn’t keep banning books, maybe we wouldn’t have to clear that up. #Debate2024
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Fine. Then you won't mind the ban.
For the record: You cannot have an abortion in the 9th month. You cannot have an abortion after birth. If we didn’t keep banning books, maybe we wouldn’t have to clear that up. #Debate2024
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Fine. Then you won't mind the ban.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 02:03 PM (LKNus)
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Also I'm fairly certain those are nothing at all like the two separate earrings Harris was wearing that weren't the earpiece.
Those were two hoops in two separate holes, not a single hole design with a pearl and two pieces coming off of it.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:48 PM (LKNus)
if you search for bluetooth or audio earrings, there are a lot of manufacturers with many styles - some that match
but imho, we are dealing with a force where the alphabet orgs are involved merged with high tech scumbags --- I put NOTHING past them. Look at the track record. Not something that would be off the shelf.
Those were two hoops in two separate holes, not a single hole design with a pearl and two pieces coming off of it.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 01:48 PM (LKNus)
if you search for bluetooth or audio earrings, there are a lot of manufacturers with many styles - some that match
but imho, we are dealing with a force where the alphabet orgs are involved merged with high tech scumbags --- I put NOTHING past them. Look at the track record. Not something that would be off the shelf.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 13, 2024 02:03 PM (e1Vxp)
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So we've gone from Al Gore doing everything short of porno with Tipper at his nomination to Walz giving his frau a cold handshake.
Is there a pedo scandal behind held back?
So we've gone from Al Gore doing everything short of porno with Tipper at his nomination to Walz giving his frau a cold handshake.
Is there a pedo scandal behind held back?
Posted by: Auspex at September 13, 2024 02:04 PM (j4U/Z)
398
Can anyone ever believe a single word an ABC reporter , "moderator", or an anchor ever says again? The only thing I'd count on is that every word ABC-Disney ever farts again has been vetted by the shadow government.
Who's running the White House today?
Who's running the White House today?
Posted by: mrp at September 13, 2024 02:04 PM (rj6Yv)
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>>Oh, and let's not forget that there was a minor bit of fretting about Taylor Swift's endorsement.
Talk about a wet fart.
- - -
It's funny that some conservative social media types, such as Jack Posobiec, were openly predicting the Swift endorsement - daring her to, getting her followers to say "oh, she's not going to be used by the DNC!"
It was an easy prediction, given how the DNC and many other activist organizations have been weaponizing celebrity social media sites for years by getting them to spout activist talking points to NPC fans.
Think doing tis took some of the steam out of the eventual endorsement. The idea that the DNC would use her tainted her "spontaneous" endorsement right after the debate.
Nicely played!
Talk about a wet fart.
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It's funny that some conservative social media types, such as Jack Posobiec, were openly predicting the Swift endorsement - daring her to, getting her followers to say "oh, she's not going to be used by the DNC!"
It was an easy prediction, given how the DNC and many other activist organizations have been weaponizing celebrity social media sites for years by getting them to spout activist talking points to NPC fans.
Think doing tis took some of the steam out of the eventual endorsement. The idea that the DNC would use her tainted her "spontaneous" endorsement right after the debate.
Nicely played!
Posted by: Lizzy at September 13, 2024 02:06 PM (Pijte)
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I like DeSantis but once Trump picked J.D. VanceI was all in for the ticket. I think a lot of other DeSantis supporters felt the same way. So, no fight night required.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 13, 2024 02:06 PM (t/2Uw)
Posted by: mrp at September 13, 2024 02:08 PM (rj6Yv)
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Earpiece or not... the Democrats cheat at every opportunity. There has been speculation that *biden has had one at times. I don't see a reason to deny the fact that Harris would also use one.
Whether she had one at the debate is questionable, but not impossible.
Whether she had one at the debate is questionable, but not impossible.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 13, 2024 02:08 PM (Q4IgG)
403
Hopefully it will never happen. But imagine kumala sitting down across the table from Putin or Xi Jinping.
She would be eaten alive. I don't think she would be able bring her media friends along to help her.
And I don't think either of them would be constrained by not being able to say anything mean to her because she's a black woman.
But Taylor Swift likes her. So, there's that.
She would be eaten alive. I don't think she would be able bring her media friends along to help her.
And I don't think either of them would be constrained by not being able to say anything mean to her because she's a black woman.
But Taylor Swift likes her. So, there's that.
Posted by: Florida Peasant at September 13, 2024 02:09 PM (Lo97M)
404
>> For those of you who still think Trump lost:
https://tinyurl.com/mtv9kcy5
I have been loving the memes that started before the debate. It's clear that this has been effective by how the MSM and Democrats have responded. I mean, wow, Muir just happened to have a comment from the Springfield city manager before th debate?
It's gallows humor to make noticing a little less stressful. There are now tons of images on X showing Haitians and cats *shudders*.
https://tinyurl.com/mtv9kcy5
I have been loving the memes that started before the debate. It's clear that this has been effective by how the MSM and Democrats have responded. I mean, wow, Muir just happened to have a comment from the Springfield city manager before th debate?
It's gallows humor to make noticing a little less stressful. There are now tons of images on X showing Haitians and cats *shudders*.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 13, 2024 02:10 PM (Pijte)
405
Pope Francis to children: "All religions are paths to reach God ... some are Sikh, Muslim, Hindu, Christians; they are different ways to God."
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So satanism is just another path to reach God? Not buying it
Biblical prophecy: Thessalonians 2,11:For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.
I think all religions are united under the False Prophet in Revelation.
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So satanism is just another path to reach God? Not buying it
Biblical prophecy: Thessalonians 2,11:For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.
I think all religions are united under the False Prophet in Revelation.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at September 13, 2024 02:13 PM (Da7Vv)
406
Commie civil wars are fun.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 13, 2024 01:09 PM (W/1m5)
Messy though.
Useful tip: be wary of the staffer who's into mountain climbing
Commie civil wars are fun.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 13, 2024 01:09 PM (W/1m5)
Messy though.
Useful tip: be wary of the staffer who's into mountain climbing
Posted by: Zombie Leon Trotsky at September 13, 2024 02:34 PM (y9nCu)
407
NAACP @NAACP Sep 11
For the record: You cannot have an abortion in the 9th month. You cannot have an abortion after birth. If we didn’t keep banning books, maybe we wouldn’t have to clear that up. #Debate2024
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Fine. Then you won't mind the ban.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 02:03 PM (LKNus)
The pasty white people who've been running the NAACP behind the scenes for over 100 years are gonna freak when someone points out "for the "life of the mother"
NAACP @NAACP Sep 11
For the record: You cannot have an abortion in the 9th month. You cannot have an abortion after birth. If we didn’t keep banning books, maybe we wouldn’t have to clear that up. #Debate2024
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Fine. Then you won't mind the ban.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Men say they prefer this, women say no you are wrong at September 13, 2024 02:03 PM (LKNus)
The pasty white people who've been running the NAACP behind the scenes for over 100 years are gonna freak when someone points out "for the "life of the mother"
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 13, 2024 02:41 PM (y9nCu)
408
Can we exclude the possibility that Mark Penn wants an investigation of ABC so that when the investigation concludes there was no collusion with Harris he can tell such all "don't believe your lying eyes?"
Posted by: JTSmith at September 13, 2024 02:57 PM (ZazCK)
409
Who won the Trump-Clinton 2016 Debate?:
- Always on-line Twitterati/Pundits Left and Right: "Oh my God he was terrible!"
- Normies: Trump won
Who won the Trump-Harris Debate?:
- Alwasy on-line Twitterati/Pundits Left and Right: "Oh my God he was terrible!"
- Normies: Trump won
There seems to be a pattern. Maybe people should get off X and outside their on-line bubble.
- Always on-line Twitterati/Pundits Left and Right: "Oh my God he was terrible!"
- Normies: Trump won
Who won the Trump-Harris Debate?:
- Alwasy on-line Twitterati/Pundits Left and Right: "Oh my God he was terrible!"
- Normies: Trump won
There seems to be a pattern. Maybe people should get off X and outside their on-line bubble.
Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at September 13, 2024 03:11 PM (xaNfJ)
410
Mrs. Davis,
Your side broke the rules, lied and judged unfairly. The god you and your husband prayed to did not appear to answer your prayer.
Your side broke the rules, lied and judged unfairly. The god you and your husband prayed to did not appear to answer your prayer.
Posted by: Ifotnothing at September 13, 2024 03:12 PM (LTRHw)
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NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
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All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
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Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
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Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
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What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
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My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
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Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
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