THE MORNING RANT: A Study Shows that Blue State Refugees Are Voting Heavily Republican in Tennessee

There is a great exodus of people fleeing the taxes, crime, and other left-wing pathologies of blue states for the freedom and culture of red states. This has caused much consternation among conservatives in fast-growing red states, who fear the refugees will vote left and ruin their new states, as they did in prior waves that flipped states such as Colorado and Arizona from Republican to Democrat.

There is some great news out of an analysis of new-to-Tennessee voters casting their first ballots after registering in Tennessee – they are voting overwhelmingly Republican. In this study, first time voters from California are casting more than three times as many Republican ballots as they are Democrat ballots.

Before I discuss the specifics of the analysis, I believe it is necessary to once again discuss the difference between “colonizers” and “refugees.” The colonizers tend to be left-wing voters relocating to a red state because of their job. That is what makes Texas Governor Greg Abbott’s recruitment of tech companies so distasteful. Abbott has recruited wave after wave of tech workers from California, and they generally bring their left-wing voting habits with them. It is terribly short-sighted for Texas to import anti-carbon voters who will enthusiastically kill off Texas’ petroleum and cattle industries. Refugees, by contrast, tend to be conservatives fleeing blue states. They vote Republican in their new state, making it even redder. Even better, they bring with them an appreciation for just how destructive 21st Century Democrats are when they gain power.

My growing neighborhood in a Tennessee suburb had so many Illinois license plates in 2021 and 2022 that you might have thought it was a Chicago suburb. During my “Welcome to the neighborhood” chats with them, at which time I asked what brought them to Tennessee, it became clear that pretty much all of them are refugees.

The Chattanooga Times Free Press just did an analysis of those who moved from out of state to Hamilton County, Tennessee (e.g. Chattanooga and surrounding suburbs) since January 1, 2023, totaling how many voted in this year’s Republican primaries versus how many voted in the Democrat primaries. It was a mega-landslide in favor of Republicans. (Or maybe that should be “maga-landslide.”

“Hamilton County voter data shows ‘ruby red’ Tennessee is a big draw for those leaving 'Soviet Republic' of California” [Chattanooga Times Free Press – 8/31/2024]

Among those who have moved from California to Hamilton County in recent years and registered to vote since the beginning of 2023, 75% of them participated in a Republican primary this year — either the one in March or August. (Tennesseans don't align with a political party when registering to vote. Party affiliation is determined by which party ballot they chose in the latest primary.)

The article quoted Paul Chabot of the online site Conservative Move, who observed that blue state conservatives fleeing to Tennessee are heading for the suburbs, not the major cities, because even the cities are too Democrat.

Tennessee, especially its suburbs surrounding the urban cities, Chabot said, is among the top destinations for the tens of thousands of clients his company serves each year. "The big cities — Nashville, Knoxville and others — are run largely by Democrats, but once you get out of the city limits into the suburbs where most of our clients are moving," Chabot said, "these areas are ruby red."

Below is a chart that the Times Free Press compiled from records at the Hamilton County Election Commission. It shows which primary ballot was chosen by those new voters whose previous address was in California.

• 83 former Californians voted in the Republican primary.
• 26 former Californians voted in the Democrat primary.
• 1 General* ballot.

(*There was one ballot cast in a concurrent, non-partisan election for a municipal office, at which time the newcomer didn’t vote in either party’s primary.)

That is a ratio exceeding 3 to 1 in favor of Republicans. California transplants are making this county redder.

The ratio was approximately the same for Illinois transplants.

While these 110 Californians who moved to Hamilton County, Tennessee are not a huge number by themselves, their voting behavior is likely a representative sample of how blue state refugees vote, wherever their diaspora takes them.

Don’t forget, Florida moved from a “purple” tossup state to solidly Republican in less than a decade, due to the overwhelmingly Republican voting habits of the blue state refugees fleeing to the Sunshine State.

In a way, these refugees fleeing to red states are a little bit like the Cubans who escaped from Castro’s communism. They experienced first-hand just how destructive left-wing governance can be, and they have a passion to not let their new home states fall victim to the same political ruin that they fled. In a review of Roger L. Simon’s “American Refugees,” Mark Pulliam wrote, “Newly arrived transplants, acutely aware of the peril posed by leftist policies, often find themselves acting like Paul Revere, warning the cliquish locals of the dangers of passivity and complacency. Far from posing a threat to red states, refugees from blue states, Simon posits, are in fact ‘a cavalry come to rescue the red states from themselves.’”

Liberty cannot be taken for granted. I am grateful that blue state refugees are making free states more conservative.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2024 11:00 AM (fwDg9)

2 Morning.

Posted by: Robert at September 06, 2024 11:00 AM (b7933)

3 I've been saying it for years:

The Great Migration that started in 2020 is materially different to previous movements of voters people point to like Californians to Colorado.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:01 AM (GBKbO)

4 “Hamilton County voter data shows ‘ruby red’ Tennessee is a big draw for those leaving 'Soviet Republic' of California” [Chattanooga Times Free Press – 8/31/2024]

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Blue states are on a path to get smaller and more progressive.

Red states are on a path to get bigger and more conservative.

The fight for America is much, much more than a fight for the presidency.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:02 AM (GBKbO)

5 I want a border wall for my state.

Posted by: BignJames at September 06, 2024 11:02 AM (AwYPR)

6 Better that there are fewer Democrat voters, but remember to put pressure on Republican elected officials to perform -- to do as they promised.

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at September 06, 2024 11:03 AM (Nmmyc)

7 I like the term Refugees and Colonizers

Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2024 11:04 AM (fwDg9)

8 5 I want a border wall for my state.
Posted by: BignJames at September 06, 2024 11:02 AM (AwYPR)

NH and Maine have been begging for one for years to keep out massholes, NYers and other blue staters.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 06, 2024 11:05 AM (N39Ws)

9 This benighted state, Lousy-ana, is quite red . . . except for the pestholes of the cities. Which tend to negate the red votes.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 06, 2024 11:06 AM (J2vNu)

10 Sure.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at September 06, 2024 11:06 AM (QSrLX)

11 Texas needs to build a wall on the western border as well as the southern one. At least have a fortified checkpoint on I-10.

Posted by: hobbitopoly at September 06, 2024 11:06 AM (k9OZB)

12 They flee their states...
OR
They move with their jobs because their employer is fleeing their states

And then they come into a perfectly healthy host state and, like a virus encoded with blue-state-fever, start voting for what is killing the state they had to move from.

It's a tremendous injustice for the victim states.

Posted by: Axeman at September 06, 2024 11:06 AM (krQz2)

13 Mrs928 is cooking a pound of bacon ends in a pot.

I don't know what is coming but it must surely be good.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 06, 2024 11:06 AM (aD39U)

14 I know two of those who moved to Tennessee. One couple from blue NM and one from (back-then) blue VA.

Posted by: goatexchange at September 06, 2024 11:07 AM (RSCrA)

15 I have family in TN, and we were discussing this. I was telling him the CA refugees coming to AZ are liberal, but he thought the CA residents moving to TN were conservative.

His pet theory is a liberals are less likely to go to a "deep red" state across the country, you'd have to already be conservative to move to a really conservative southern state. But a small step across the border to a "purple state" is easier to process and a moderate/liberal voter will do that.

The CA exodus seems to have made the red southwest now blue/purple, but certain states in the South like FL, redder.

I think AZ is destined to follow Colorado and be a blue leaning state, it's changed so much in the last 15 years. It's not native Arizonans, its the "new" people.

Posted by: Blago at September 06, 2024 11:07 AM (wMRY8)

16 My example for conservative refugees is Idaho. A lot of people fled CA to Idaho resulting in Idaho going something like 63% for PDT in 2020. (TJM can probably correct me on this if I'm wrong on the percentages)

Unfortunately, our current state, AZ, seems to have been inundated with colonizers. However, AZ has a history of being somewhat schizophrenic in their voting patterns. For instance, a while back, we had a deep red State legislature and Janet Napolitano as our governor.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 06, 2024 11:07 AM (tT6L1)

17 if only VA could wall off and expunge NOVA to DC, we'd be solid red.

even when account for richmond and parts of the tidewater.

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 06, 2024 11:07 AM (v6XNT)

18 I'm not crazy about the use of "colonizers" for the leftists. It is buying the left's Leninist model of Evil Western Imperialism, and the Mahometan anti-Israeli Jew-hate. Even though I get the point of using their language against them. But that is successful when the language is new, like "fake news". Lenin's is over a century old, and I expect it will work just as well as other cases of following their lead.

Even if you think you're going to avoid it, words have a tidal tug.

Posted by: Eeyore at September 06, 2024 11:08 AM (1bNHn)

19 Posted by: goatexchange

A Mr. Mohammed M. Mohammed is holding for you on Line 1.

Posted by: Bulg at September 06, 2024 11:08 AM (v6JzV)

20 this migration is the only way we avoid a very bloody civil war.

with this, it will be a war still, but probably much shorter and hopefully less bloody.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 06, 2024 11:08 AM (s3qiR)

21 5 I want a border wall for my state.

Posted by: BignJames at September 06, 2024 11:0

With hanging human skulls holding Obama, Biden, Harris signs.
Send a message....

Posted by: Stateless at September 06, 2024 11:08 AM (jvJvP)

22
I have hope for Trump in Pennsylvania as he won it twice* before. But Philadelphia, with a (D) mayor, a (D) governor, two (D) Senators could theoretically go 100% for Harris. Historically, it's usually 80/20 in favor of the (D)'s but who knows what they'll do to get what they want?

* 2020 influx of 250,000 ballots appearing then disappearing notwithstanding

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 06, 2024 11:09 AM (RKVpM)

23 Texas needs to build a wall on the western border as well as the southern one. At least have a fortified checkpoint on I-10.
Posted by: hobbitopoly at September 06, 2024

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At I-40, too.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at September 06, 2024 11:09 AM (J2vNu)

24 The Great Migration that started in 2020 is materially different to previous movements of voters people point to like Californians to Colorado.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:01 AM (GBKbO)

That it started in 2020 is no accident IMO. I lived in California (LA County) for 30 years until covid came along and although I observed a lot of political nonsense, covid was the first time lefty policies materially affected my life in noticeable ways… lockdowns, mask mandates, church closures…. they even closed the beach where I loved to jog. Now I’m in Texas…. I doubt we would’ve considered moving until the nightmare of covid. The lefties really showed their true colors and it was very ugly…. No apologies either, to this day. “Doctor” Barbara Ferrer is still chief health officer in LA County…. spit

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at September 06, 2024 11:10 AM (BIJxw)

25 I'm getting the impression this election season that it's not repub vs. dem parties but Americans vs. Tyrants (communists).

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at September 06, 2024 11:10 AM (g8Ew8)

26 I want a border wall for my state.

Posted by: BignJames at September 06, 2024 11:0

With hanging human skulls holding Obama, Biden, Harris signs.
Send a message....
Posted by: Stateless at September 06, 2024 11:08 AM (jvJvP)

the old ways are best

/Vlad Tepes

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 06, 2024 11:10 AM (v6XNT)

27 the old ways are best

/Vlad Tepes
Posted by: SturmToddler at September 06, 2024 11:10 AM (v6XNT)

Enemies feebly writhing like bugs on pins does make an impression.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 06, 2024 11:12 AM (aD39U)

28 We’re doing a sorting of population in this country rather like what happened to India and Pakistan after 1947.

And a nation can’t stay one country after that happens; it has to split.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 06, 2024 11:13 AM (S6gqv)

29 People tried to move out of the cities to the suburbs, but even as this happened the state came more under the sway of its most populous cities, and became more regulative.

So, now people are fleeing states under the sway of necrotic large blue cities.

The Trump-hating states could have pushed for more federalism, but that's not how "progressives" operate, they want to "fix" everybody's problems. They can't bring themselves to waive power that they otherwise could have.

Posted by: Axeman at September 06, 2024 11:13 AM (krQz2)

30 if only VA could wall off and expunge NOVA to DC, we'd be solid red.

even when account for richmond and parts of the tidewater.

We can't keep ceding territory to the left. At some point, revanchism becomes necessary.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 11:14 AM (xCA6C)

31 29 The Trump-hating states could have pushed for more federalism, but that's not how "progressives" operate, they want to "fix" everybody's problems. They can't bring themselves to waive power that they otherwise could have.
Posted by: Axeman at September 06, 2024 11:13 AM (krQz2)

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This misses the point of political parties: graft.

The greatest source of graft in the world is the US government. To fight for federalism is a fight to undermine the single greatest graft machine in history.

Democrats don't have anyone willing to make that fight. We have Trump, at best.

Every issue at the national level for decades has been failure theater designed to gin up support for making the graft bigger. Hence, the ACA.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:15 AM (GBKbO)

32 This is why Democrats are always pushing to do away with EC in favor of the popular vote

Posted by: Halfhand at September 06, 2024 11:15 AM (/jMds)

33 I'm not crazy about the use of "colonizers" for the leftists.

Posted by: Eeyore at September 06, 2024 11:08 AM (1bNHn)
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Scavengers?

They prowl around looking for still-live states.

Posted by: Axeman at September 06, 2024 11:15 AM (krQz2)

34 I wonder if the U-Haul prices are still high for fleeing Californians, as opposed to normal states.

Posted by: Room To Move at September 06, 2024 11:16 AM (CV8a5)

35 The left will make up for it with busses and plane loads of illegals

Posted by: brak at September 06, 2024 11:16 AM (NGHTx)

36 The Trump-hating states could have pushed for more federalism, but that's not how "progressives" operate, they want to "fix" everybody's problems. They can't bring themselves to waive power that they otherwise could have.
Posted by: Axeman at September 06, 2024 11:13 AM (krQz2)
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The necrotic blue states need fresh flesh to feed on in order to survive. They're not trying to fix their problems. They're trying to stave off their own collapse under the guise of fixing other people.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 06, 2024 11:16 AM (tT6L1)

37 We’re doing a sorting of population in this country rather like what happened to India and Pakistan after 1947.

And a nation can’t stay one country after that happens; it has to split.

How would that work? The left is strong in the cities, and sometimes the immediately surrounding suburbs. In almost all states, those are islands of lunacy in a sea of normalcy. We'd be going towards a medieval city-state a la Venice, Genoa, and Florence.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 11:16 AM (xCA6C)

38 Not "colonizers." Locusts.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 06, 2024 11:17 AM (iFTx/)

39 37 How would that work? The left is strong in the cities, and sometimes the immediately surrounding suburbs. In almost all states, those are islands of lunacy in a sea of normalcy. We'd be going towards a medieval city-state a la Venice, Genoa, and Florence.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 11:16 AM (xCA6C)

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DeSantis' real efforts at cleaning elections up in FL turning Miami-Dade red made me heavily question how blue our cities actually are.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:17 AM (GBKbO)

40 Enemies feebly writhing like bugs on pins does make an impression.

I would love to see Fauci do that dance, tbh

also how about "refugees" and "parasites"?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 06, 2024 11:17 AM (s3qiR)

41 I like 'parasites' to describe leftists...

Posted by: Stateless at September 06, 2024 11:17 AM (jvJvP)

42 2 This is why Democrats are always pushing to do away with EC in favor of the popular vote
Posted by: Halfhand at September 06, 2024 11:15 AM (/jMds)
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Ask any leftist if they like the idea of CA and NY running the entire country, I'll bet their answer is, "Sure, why not?"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 06, 2024 11:18 AM (tT6L1)

43 This is why Democrats are always pushing to do away with EC in favor of the popular vote
Posted by: Halfhand at September 06, 2024 11:15 AM (/jMds)

If the EC is overturned by whatever means, it's over. Freedom will be a lost entry in this country's past.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at September 06, 2024 11:18 AM (g8Ew8)

44 DeSantis' real efforts at cleaning elections up in FL turning Miami-Dade red made me heavily question how blue our cities actually are.

Good point. However, no amount of cleanup is going to make Chicago, DC, and NYC to Republican. It'll help, but they'll still be enemy territory.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 11:19 AM (xCA6C)

45 44 Good point. However, no amount of cleanup is going to make Chicago, DC, and NYC to Republican. It'll help, but they'll still be enemy territory.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 11:19 AM (xCA6C)

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I don't know how blue or red these cities actually are.

I don't think pointing to previous election results would be helpful if we're operating from the assumption that they're deeply, deeply corrupt.

Would they be OK red? No idea. Would they be just as blue? No idea.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:20 AM (GBKbO)

46 OT, TV shows line for new "hello kitty" cafe.
From the looks of the line it's more "hello cattle".

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 06, 2024 11:20 AM (TpOb7)

47 DeSantis' real efforts at cleaning elections up in FL turning Miami-Dade red made me heavily question how blue our cities actually are.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:17 AM (GBKbO)

Well, Miami is full of 4th gen Cuban refugees.

Posted by: BignJames at September 06, 2024 11:20 AM (AwYPR)

48 California is boned.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 06, 2024 11:20 AM (QfvaV)

49 This misses the point of political parties: graft.

The greatest source of graft in the world is the US government. To fight for federalism is a fight to undermine the single greatest graft machine in history.

Democrats don't have anyone willing to make that fight. We have Trump, at best.

Every issue at the national level for decades has been failure theater designed to gin up support for making the graft bigger. Hence, the ACA.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:15 AM (GBKbO)
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This misses the case that even grifters might want to think that they have a greater cause.

I have no doubt about the graft that goes on in DC. But I think those are probably, in the views of our "elites" giving into venality .

I think they still have an ideological project. Just like there is a lot of anti-Marxian privilege going on in a Marxist regime, but they none the less have Marxist "values".

Posted by: Axeman at September 06, 2024 11:20 AM (krQz2)

50 ‘ Blue State Refugees Are Voting Heavily Republican in Tennessee’
Hot damn. Finally people out of blue so states that are worth a shit. Kudos to Tennessee.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 06, 2024 11:20 AM (jbnUc)

51 I suppose it should be pointed out the Cruz would have probably lost to Beto without the votes of the blue state refugees.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 06, 2024 11:20 AM (d/77M)

52 California should be walled off, no one out without verification of their religious standing, and Leftism is a religion

Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2024 11:20 AM (fwDg9)

53 And Democrats are working really hard to make states enforcers for the feds rather than the mostly independent entities the founders envisioned.

Nothing says democracy better than proportional voting for senators and eliminating the electoral college so that NY, Chicago, SF, LA, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston city dwellers can tell the rest of the US how they should be living.

So, to hell with democracy and to everyone saying we need to protect our 'precious democracy'.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 06, 2024 11:20 AM (fs1hN)

54 How would that work? The left is strong in the cities, and sometimes the immediately surrounding suburbs. In almost all states, those are islands of lunacy in a sea of normalcy. We'd be going towards a medieval city-state a la Venice, Genoa, and Florence.

it would probably go about as well as the partition of India that was mentioned

meaning a lot of violence and death

Posted by: brak at September 06, 2024 11:20 AM (NGHTx)

55 California is boned.

Which means so are the rest of us. They'll be relying on Uncle Sam to bail them out of the results of their malignant stupidity, and a national level Dem politician would be insane not to do so if he intends to have an electoral future.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 11:21 AM (xCA6C)

56 I hope this works out this way- but I don’t see the same trend in NC. It also makes the blue states even more blue, but maybe if we have to separate (peacefully), it will be easier.

We have a lot of people transplanting here. The growth is incredible. Southern Living keeps featuring us (please stop) as the best place to retire. There is a house that was just bought. Has the only Harris Walz sign. Sigh.

Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:22 AM (QzINz)

57 I wonder if the U-Haul prices are still high for fleeing Californians, as opposed to normal states.
Posted by: Room To Move at September 06, 2024 11:16 AM (CV8a5)

well, the dau and bf just left NYC a month ago, and they said they couldn't rent a uhaul as it cost too much. cheaper to one-way an expedition with a rental car place to move from ny to va.

i would assume ca is still the same

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 06, 2024 11:22 AM (v6XNT)

58 AP helps Kamala by misquoting Vance.

https://is.gd/GHVUHx

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Well, day ending in Y.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 06, 2024 11:23 AM (L/fGl)

59 56 I hope this works out this way- but I don’t see the same trend in NC. It also makes the blue states even more blue, but maybe if we have to separate (peacefully), it will be easier.

We have a lot of people transplanting here. The growth is incredible. Southern Living keeps featuring us (please stop) as the best place to retire. There is a house that was just bought. Has the only Harris Walz sign. Sigh.
Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:22 AM (QzINz)

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Supremajority of Republicans in a legislature and Democrat governor is simply not right. It don't make no sense.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:23 AM (GBKbO)

60 How would that work? The left is strong in the cities, and sometimes the immediately surrounding suburbs. In almost all states, those are islands of lunacy in a sea of normalcy. We'd be going towards a medieval city-state a la Venice, Genoa, and Florence.

it would probably go about as well as the partition of India that was mentioned

meaning a lot of violence and death

Yeah, my point was that at least if you have separate well-defined countries, they can set up a semi-cohesive government. Independent city-states aren't viable unless they're on the coast, and have an independent economy based on international trade. It would be an epic fail.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 11:23 AM (xCA6C)

61 Blue states are on a path to get smaller and more progressive.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:02 AM (GBKbO)

"No worries. We have plenty of replacements." - Blue state progressives staring wistfully at our southern border

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 06, 2024 11:24 AM (KbCG3)

62 I hope this works out this way- but I don’t see the same trend in NC. It also makes the blue states even more blue, but maybe if we have to separate (peacefully), it will be easier.

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Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:22 AM (QzINz)

Nuke the Research Triangle...and Asheville.

Posted by: BignJames at September 06, 2024 11:24 AM (AwYPR)

63 28 We’re doing a sorting of population in this country rather like what happened to India and Pakistan after 1947.

And a nation can’t stay one country after that happens; it has to split.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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I came to that reluctant conclusion myself. Lincoln's House Divided speech comes to mind. It also explains why politics has become so dysfunctional in the US. You cannot have a nation where one faction seeks to dominate another by Calvinball rules.. The other faction and its supporters always gets a say in the matter.

Generally, that move is to opt out and federalism to some extent makes it easier to do that.

Posted by: whig at September 06, 2024 11:24 AM (kW+z9)

64 In Texas, when Ted Cruz faced off against Beto O'Rourke in 2018, he won by a scant 219k votes, or 2.6 points. CNN exit polls at the time showed that native Texans actually voted more for O'Rourke, but transplants from other states put Cruz over the top by voting for him by a higher margin.

Moral of the story: be kind to ex-Californians. They're here for a reason.

Posted by: Caiwyn at September 06, 2024 11:25 AM (BaIXK)

65 I am surprised hasn't happened yet, maybe will take California to declare bankruptcy for the Federal government to bail them out.
It will happen

Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2024 11:25 AM (fwDg9)

66 How would that work? The left is strong in the cities, and sometimes the immediately surrounding suburbs. In almost all states, those are islands of lunacy in a sea of normalcy. We'd be going towards a medieval city-state a la Venice, Genoa, and Florence.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 11:16 AM (xCA6C)

Wall off the cities. Feed the inmates by trebuchet.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 06, 2024 11:25 AM (6T/Ac)

67 I did a little diving into MSNBC and CNBC headlines last night.

It made me sad. Half of the country believes this shit. We are doomed.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 06, 2024 11:25 AM (991LO)

68 65 I am surprised hasn't happened yet, maybe will take California to declare bankruptcy for the Federal government to bail them out.
It will happen
Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2024 11:25 AM (fwDg9)

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They have not yet run out of accounting tricks to move liabilities around in such a manner that they can still make bond payments.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:26 AM (GBKbO)

69 If the EC is overturned by whatever means, it's over. Freedom will be a lost entry in this country's past.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at September 06, 2024 11:18 AM (g8Ew

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I'm thinking that it's more likely to be annulled by judges --farcically--as "unconstitutional" than it could be reversed by proper means. Because I think I've counted it that 20 states would have to decide to give up the share of representation they have.

About more than half the states have 10 or less electoral votes. And *most* of those states would lose a fair degree of representation in the process. So it's about 20 states that have to agree to this to get to the 3/4s ratification.

So, unless everybody gets a lot dumber really quick, I don't foresee that happening.

Posted by: Axeman at September 06, 2024 11:26 AM (krQz2)

70 RCP Video
@rcpvideo
Harris-Walz Spokesman: We Don't Have Time To Think About Why Certain Things Happened Over The Last Few Years

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Yeah, that old cause and effect is a real head scratcher.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 06, 2024 11:27 AM (L/fGl)

71 60 How would that work? The left is strong in the cities, and sometimes the immediately surrounding suburbs. In almost all states, those are islands of lunacy in a sea of normalcy. We'd be going towards a medieval city-state a la Venice, Genoa, and Florence.

it would probably go about as well as the partition of India that was mentioned

meaning a lot of violence and death

Yeah, my point was that at least if you have separate well-defined countries, they can set up a semi-cohesive government. Independent city-states aren't viable unless they're on the coast, and have an independent economy based on international trade. It would be an epic fail.
Posted by: Archimedes
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US faced that problem before and came up with reservations. Prior to the 1920's, those on Native American reservations could not vote legally because they were considered citizens of a different sovereignty.

Posted by: whig at September 06, 2024 11:27 AM (kW+z9)

72 ..and Asheville.
Posted by: BignJames at September

But I like Asheville. Can’t we just take that over? With some sort of war cry and scary battle makeup under our eyes?

Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:27 AM (pRpzT)

73 Supremajority of Republicans in a legislature and Democrat governor is simply not right. It don't make no sense. Kentucky has entered the chat

Posted by: doug at September 06, 2024 11:27 AM (8/lc0)

74 Where am Gorilla?

Posted by: XTC at September 06, 2024 11:28 AM (UnA8+)

75 So, unless everybody gets a lot dumber really quick
Posted by: Axeman

Don't you mean "when" instead of "unless?" Where have you been the past 4 years?

Posted by: Bulg at September 06, 2024 11:28 AM (v6JzV)

76 73 Kentucky has entered the chat
Posted by: doug at September 06, 2024 11:27 AM (8/lc0)

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"That darkie rubbed me the wrong way."
-Mitch McConnell

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:28 AM (GBKbO)

77 prior waves that flipped states such as Colorado and Arizona from Republican to Democrat.

No opinion about AZ, but I think the wave that flipped Colorado was the "Dude, we can smoke pot and ruin the air quality in Colorado without worrying about The Man, man" wave.

Posted by: Chuck C at September 06, 2024 11:28 AM (yOPBE)

78 Seeing a Google news 23 Steven King books are banned in Florida schools

Without knowing anything else calling BS on this story

Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2024 11:28 AM (fwDg9)

79 I'm thinking that it's more likely to be annulled by judges --farcically--as "unconstitutional" than it could be reversed by proper means.
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This item in the constitution is unconstitutional because we've evolved past the constitution.
-Our Black-Robed Priests

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 06, 2024 11:29 AM (fs1hN)

80 78 Seeing a Google news 23 Steven King books are banned in Florida schools

Without knowing anything else calling BS on this story
Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2024 11:28 AM (fwDg9)

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Where will 3rd graders learn about gang banging if they can't read IT in school?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:29 AM (GBKbO)

81 Liberty cannot be taken for granted. I am grateful that blue state refugees are making free states more conservative.
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Buck, I still live in a blue New Jersey college town where, I can assure you, liberty is very much taken for granted.

In fact, and this reflects our through-the-looking-glass world today, my neighbors regard red states (and voters like me) as the actual threats to their liberty.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 06, 2024 11:29 AM (GSnii)

82 Forgive us for Mitch

Posted by: doug at September 06, 2024 11:30 AM (8/lc0)

83 Yahoo News: 90% of executives support Kamala Harris

Really they asked every single executive of every company? Oh no they didn’t. They asked executives of 90 companies, one of which was, wait for it…Yahoo. 🤣

But still the headline is out there for the LIVs to see.

Posted by: Write it off Jerry at September 06, 2024 11:30 AM (jACTf)

84 Supremajority of Republicans in a legislature and Democrat governor is simply not right. It don't make no sense. Kentucky has entered the chat
Posted by: doug at September 06, 2024 11:27 AM (8/lc0)

Missouri has elected Democrat governors, as recently as Jay Nixon, who was famous for not activating the Natty Guard during the Mike Brown/Ferguson riots.

I don't think there's been a Democrat majority in the legislature for over 40 years, but I haven't looked.

Sometimes a state nominates a douchebag Republican, and the voters can smell a rat. I don't blame the voters.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 06, 2024 11:30 AM (dGCAG)

85 OT, TV shows line for new "hello kitty" cafe.
From the looks of the line it's more "hello cattle".
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 06, 2024 11:20 AM (TpOb7)

Thanks for that. Made me chuckle. Happy Friday

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 06, 2024 11:30 AM (xPJvm)

86 But I like Asheville. Can’t we just take that over? With some sort of war cry and scary battle makeup under our eyes?

Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:27 AM (pRpzT)

I lived in NC 11 for 30 years...locusts from New England have been invading since mid 70s.

Posted by: BignJames at September 06, 2024 11:30 AM (AwYPR)

87 They have not yet run out of accounting tricks to move liabilities around in such a manner that they can still make bond payments.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Bankruptcy will come more quickly now to heavily indebted states and due to federal debt and huge deficits--the fed cannot lower interest rates like in the Obammy years and increases in taxes to service the bonds has probably went beyond the Laffler inflection point where increases in rates bring in less revenue.

It doesn't help that California essentially squandered the money into consumption today rather than investments.

Posted by: whig at September 06, 2024 11:31 AM (kW+z9)

88 Seeing a Google news 23 Steven King books are banned in Florida schools

Without knowing anything else calling BS on this story
Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2024 11:28 AM (fwDg9)

Banned, or simply not included in the curriculum? There is a huge difference.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 06, 2024 11:31 AM (6T/Ac)

89 78 Seeing a Google news 23 Steven King books are banned in Florida schools

Without knowing anything else calling BS on this story
Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2024 11

Banned is very different from removing age inappropriate content from elementary schools and jr highs. Steven King is an awfl.

Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:31 AM (pRpzT)

90 Any type of split would have a mass exodus and reorganization period that would be very unpleasant. Like if Texas seceded, you'd have tens of thousands of liberals trying to sell their property and flee to Colorado or some other blue state. You'd have tens of thousands of illegals trying to flee back across the border or more likely to another blue state. You'd have the feds trying to come in an seize the military bases.

And then all the people that don't want to leave that decide to get violent instead...

And then multiply that across all of the states that may try to go with them.

Though we are so divided now that may be inevitable.

Posted by: brak at September 06, 2024 11:31 AM (NGHTx)

91 I am one of those refugees. Johnson City TN.

I know more blue state fugees here than I know natives.

Based on a sample size of a dozen or so- BS Fugees are MORE conservative than the locals. We have a lower tolerance for homeless open air drug dealing anarchy / lgbqt++ crap than the locals.

It was by design that BS regimes ran us out- because now there are fewer conservatives in Wa, Or, Ca, NY to vote against marxist crime ridden lick spittle dystopian hell scape policies.

Also- all the Fugees I know are either/both upper middle class / wealthy - and highly productive members of the economy. If you look around NE TN there is some serious money coming here. Fugees from NY and CA are buying 4x the house with millions left over to spend in the local economy.

It's Fugeeespectacular---- though not some much for working class locals who are getting priced out of their homes... and the Biden regime interest rates are not helping.

Posted by: SoUglyIBroketheLookingGlass at September 06, 2024 11:31 AM (yf5/z)

92 Forgive us for Mitch
Posted by: doug at September 06, 2024 11:30 AM (8/lc0)

No.

It's half the reason you have a Democrat governor. Not unlike Arizona, people can talk about a shift in voters all they want, but when your Republican Party is as corrupt as it is, and both Kentucky and Arizona have suffered from being dominated by those evil pricks they sent to the Senate for decades, voters have no good reason to remain loyal to the party.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 06, 2024 11:32 AM (dGCAG)

93 In fact, and this reflects our through-the-looking-glass world today, my neighbors regard red states (and voters like me) as the actual threats to their liberty.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 06, 2024 11:29 AM (GSnii)

And “good Germans” in 1939 believed that the Jews living next to them were the actual threat to them. An evil leadership can lead a gullible people into just about anything.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 06, 2024 11:32 AM (S6gqv)

94 Seeing a Google news 23 Steven King books are banned in Florida schools

Without knowing anything else calling BS on this story

What I saw was that they took some of his books out of elementary school libraries due to sexual content.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at September 06, 2024 11:32 AM (Y8lzz)

95 Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 06, 2024 11:20 AM (QfvaV)

Somebody has been watching John Wick movies.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 06, 2024 11:32 AM (N39Ws)

96 42 Ask any leftist if they like the idea of CA and NY running the entire country, I'll bet their answer is, "Sure, why not?"
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 06, 2024 11:18 AM (tT6L1)

"Fvck yes, I want that! Maybe they'll finally kill all of you hicks in Flyover Country off!".

That's what they'd answer.

Posted by: XTC at September 06, 2024 11:32 AM (UnA8+)

97 91 It was by design that BS regimes ran us out- because now there are fewer conservatives in Wa, Or, Ca, NY to vote against marxist crime ridden lick spittle dystopian hell scape policies.

Posted by: SoUglyIBroketheLookingGlass at September 06, 2024 11:31 AM (yf5/z)

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This is called the Curley Effect, named after a former mayor of Boston.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:32 AM (GBKbO)

98 "Good point. However, no amount of cleanup is going to make Chicago, DC, and NYC to Republican. It'll help, but they'll still be enemy territory."

But maybe without the ballot dumps at the end of election day (and now other methods), maybe the rest of the state outside the Blue Cheat Zone metropolises would have their votes actually count.

In IL many counties voted 70% Trump. Former Gov Quinn got nicknamed "Three County Quinn", because he only won three counties (maybe 4). But big cities and the Dem machine would just dump extra ballots, or find extra boxes of ballots, changing the election with "incredible turnout" that was mostly fake.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 06, 2024 11:33 AM (Cus5s)

99 No way I'm ever moving to Texas with the weather they have there.

We'll probably just stay in Virginia.

Posted by: Bulg at September 06, 2024 11:33 AM (v6JzV)

100 Seeing a Google news 23 Steven King books are banned in Florida schools

Without knowing anything else calling BS on this story
Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2024 11:28 AM (fwDg9)

Banned, or simply not included in the curriculum? There is a huge difference.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 06, 2024 11:31 AM (6T/Ac)

It should be banned.

Middle school gangbangs are not really appropriate for school libarries.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 06, 2024 11:33 AM (dGCAG)

101 Got sent home, no induction, on-call doctor wasn't my normal one and had clearly *not* read my chart, BP was slightly higher than when my normal doctor sounded the alarm, Pooky is less than pleased with the staff in general and I'm going to take an emotional-purge nap. Lil Pooky is just fine but wants everyone to know HE DOES NOT LIKE THE SENSORS.

As always, thank you for the prayers.

Posted by: pookysgirl, taking deep breaths at September 06, 2024 11:33 AM (dtlDP)

102 86 But I like Asheville. Can’t we just take that over? With some sort of war cry and scary battle makeup under our eyes?

Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:27 AM (pRpzT)

I lived in NC 11 for 30 years...locusts from New England have been invading since mid 70s.
Posted by: BignJames at September

J’s father developed a lot of Winston Salem. He wants a mountain cabin in NC. When not in Jackson with his mom, or Italy, that is where he was. I understand it, but worry.

Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:33 AM (pRpzT)

103 Gay Men's Chorus of Tampa Bay at Methodist church: "Of all the dangers kids face in the USA today, not one of them's a man in a skirt"

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Well, if you can't trust the Gay Men's Chorus of Tampa Bay at Methodist Church, who can you trust?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 06, 2024 11:34 AM (L/fGl)

104 Seeing a Google news 23 Steven King books are banned in Florida schools
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Are books and magazine that are deemed having adult content not being put on the shelves where the tykes can get a hold of them considered banned? If so, Playboy is banned in Florida schools also. What a horror story.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 06, 2024 11:34 AM (fs1hN)

105 84 Supremajority of Republicans in a legislature and Democrat governor is simply not right. It don't make no sense. Kentucky has entered the chat
Posted by: doug at September 06, 2024 11:27 AM (8/lc0)

Missouri has elected Democrat governors, as recently as Jay Nixon, who was famous for not activating the Natty Guard during the Mike Brown/Ferguson riots.

I don't think there's been a Democrat majority in the legislature for over 40 years, but I haven't looked.

Sometimes a state nominates a douchebag Republican, and the voters can smell a rat. I don't blame the voters.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Same dynamic as to why Hogan in MD and Baker in MA won as governors in deep blue states. It is to apply a check on the excesses of the monolithic blue state. Red states have similar problems with corruption that blue states do--it is more that GOP types are less likely to be an immediate threat to life and liberty and a pocketbook than blue types.

So, you get the minority coalition of blue voters in red states and add in enough red votes from the left of the GOP faction to win a statewide race in a ruby red state.

Posted by: whig at September 06, 2024 11:34 AM (kW+z9)

106 No.Seems harsh But I get it

Posted by: doug at September 06, 2024 11:35 AM (8/lc0)

107 And then all the people that don't want to leave that decide to get violent instead...

And then multiply that across all of the states that may try to go with them.

Though we are so divided now that may be inevitable.
Posted by: brak at September 06, 2024 11:31 AM (NGHTx)

Like I said upthread, India/Pakistan 1947. It’s kind of forgotten that over a million people died in that transition.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 06, 2024 11:35 AM (S6gqv)

108 This is called the Curley Effect, named after a former mayor of Boston.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

I thought it was because it involves shuffling the population around. Nyuk nyuk.

Posted by: Bulg at September 06, 2024 11:35 AM (v6JzV)

109 In IL many counties voted 70% Trump. Former Gov Quinn got nicknamed "Three County Quinn", because he only won three counties (maybe 4). But big cities and the Dem machine would just dump extra ballots, or find extra boxes of ballots, changing the election with "incredible turnout" that was mostly fake.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 06, 2024 11:33 AM (Cus5s)

That’s every state. California rural counties are deep red. But it means nothing because LA county alone has more people than something like 20 entire states. Washington is deep red in the eastern 2/3 of the state. But Seattle overwhelms that area with its population. Same with Oregon and Portland. And on and on.

Posted by: Write it off Jerry at September 06, 2024 11:35 AM (jACTf)

110 Been in NC for nine months now. Finally broke free from MN and now I have to hear about Walz every damn day.

Posted by: jhawk90 at September 06, 2024 11:36 AM (ggOdn)

111 No way I'm ever moving to Texas with the weather they have there.

Socal at 118° has entered the chat.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 06, 2024 11:37 AM (TpOb7)

112 How would that work? The left is strong in the cities, and sometimes the immediately surrounding suburbs. In almost all states, those are islands of lunacy in a sea of normalcy. We'd be going towards a medieval city-state a la Venice, Genoa, and Florence.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 11:16 AM (xCA6C)

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DeSantis' real efforts at cleaning elections up in FL turning Miami-Dade red made me heavily question how blue our cities actually are.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:17 AM (GBKbO)
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Miami-Dade is heavily hispanic but it's most Cuban descent. Many specifically fled Cuba's communism. Plus, Cubans consider themselves at the apex of hispanic heritage. They think of themselves as hispanic aristocracy.

Miami Cubans are different breed than the socialist parasites swarming over from Undiscovered Countries. They tend to be more conservative.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 06, 2024 11:37 AM (iFTx/)

113 Yeah, my point was that at least if you have separate well-defined countries, they can set up a semi-cohesive government. Independent city-states aren't viable unless they're on the coast, and have an independent economy based on international trade. It would be an epic fail.
Posted by: Archimedes
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US faced that problem before and came up with reservations.

That was the beginning of their transition to the thriving metropolises they are today.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 11:37 AM (xCA6C)

114 110 Been in NC for nine months now. Finally broke free from MN and now I have to hear about Walz every damn day.
Posted by: jhawk90 at September 06, 2024 11:36 AM (ggOdn)

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I beat you here by 2 months.

Of course, I moved from Charleston...downgrade. Still, I like my little corner.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:37 AM (GBKbO)

115 Where will 3rd graders learn about gang banging if they can't read IT in school?

seriously that was some effed up shit

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 06, 2024 11:37 AM (s3qiR)

116 This is called the Curley Effect, named after a former mayor of Boston.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:32 AM (GBKbO)
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Sounds like a stooge.

Posted by: Axeman at September 06, 2024 11:38 AM (krQz2)

117 Jenkins Deli in Cleveland is a recommend.

Posted by: Meb at September 06, 2024 11:38 AM (0pGoQ)

118 101 Got sent home, no induction, on-call doctor wasn't my normal one and had clearly *not* read my chart, BP was slightly higher than when my normal doctor sounded the alarm, Pooky is less than pleased with the staff in general and I'm going to take an emotional-purge nap. Lil Pooky is just fine but wants everyone to know HE DOES NOT LIKE THE SENSORS.

As always, thank you for the prayers.
Posted by: pookysgirl, taking deep breaths at September 06, 2024 11:33 AM (dtlDP)

Hang in there Pooky & Pookysgirl.
Check the earlier thread where you first posted today. Lots of helpful suggestions from the Horde. Names, etc.

Keep us posted and know we are all praying for you and yours.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 06, 2024 11:38 AM (N39Ws)

119 Superstar "Christian" athlete Steph Curry says he's voting for Kamala because she's pro-abortion 🥴

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I guess that's in the Book of Moloch.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 06, 2024 11:39 AM (L/fGl)

120 No.Seems harsh But I get it
Posted by: doug at September 06, 2024 11:35 AM (8/lc0)

I really mean no, as in the party apparatus, whoever dictates these things, is to blame.

I think there was sufficient evidence that in a fair election, Cocaine Mitch would have lost his last election, but that's the problem. If it's your state, and he's installed in your state's office, it's your problem.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 06, 2024 11:40 AM (dGCAG)

121 That’s every state. California rural counties are deep red. But it means nothing because LA county alone has more people than something like 20 entire states.
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The worst thing about big cities when it comes to elections is that all the ballots are concentrated making it easy for the Dem/Union machine to easily harvest thousands of votes from unused ballots.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 06, 2024 11:40 AM (fs1hN)

122 Lil Pooky is just fine but wants everyone to know HE DOES NOT LIKE THE SENSORS.
Posted by: pookysgirl

Our son did not like to be messed with in utero. He moved around a lot trying to escape the ultrasounds.

Posted by: Bulg at September 06, 2024 11:40 AM (v6JzV)

123 Independent city-states aren't viable unless they're on the coast, and have an independent economy based on international trade. It would be an epic fail.
Posted by: Archimedes

Some have pointed out that LA, NYC, and Houston just about qualify as independent city-states. I know Houston isn’t like the rest of Texas at all - it’s just Houston.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 06, 2024 11:40 AM (S6gqv)

124 Superstar "Christian" athlete Steph Curry says he's voting for Kamala because she's pro-abortion
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I wonder how many cheerleaders Steph has knocked up.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 06, 2024 11:41 AM (fs1hN)

125 Thx Buck. I'm an upstate NYer till the end. My county was its own little world when I was young between NYC and Albany but far enough from both to be unique. Except for New Paltz and Woodstock the towns were conservative and my city was middle right. However NYC refugees from their destruction of NYC have made it bizarrely blue. Our state assemblywoman is a Dem socialist and we're the first upstate city with rent control. Even with that the left ain't satisfied enough, my city is a sanctuary one, and crime is rising (even though the stats say no). The idea that refugees bring their voting pattern with them is spot on

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 06, 2024 11:41 AM (kIghq)

126 90 Any type of split would have a mass exodus and reorganization period that would be very unpleasant. Like if Texas seceded, you'd have tens of thousands of liberals trying to sell their property and flee to Colorado or some other blue state. You'd have tens of thousands of illegals trying to flee back across the border or more likely to another blue state. You'd have the feds trying to come in an seize the military bases.
Posted by: brak
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It doesn't matter that it will be unpleasant--if enough people decide one way or the other that they are not going to take it because rule under the other faction would be intolerable, then it will happen regardless of the human cost.

In post colonial India, Muslims, having treated Hindis like shit during the Moghul empire, feared being treated like shit in return and so fled to majority Muslim areas. Hindis in Muslim areas feared the same. People that did not want a partition stayed and fought for their homes which did not turn out well for those in the minority.

The general solution by national governments, if powerful enough, is to ramp up coercion to 'make' each other tolerate the existence of others .

Posted by: whig at September 06, 2024 11:41 AM (kW+z9)

127 It should be banned.

Middle school gangbangs are not really appropriate for school libarries.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 06, 2024 11:33 AM (dGCAG)
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Neither is the graphic scene in Tommyknockers.

While I would strongly resist the idea of banning King in general, I definitely buy the idea that we can try to have nice t'ings.

Posted by: Axeman at September 06, 2024 11:41 AM (krQz2)

128 Our son did not like to be messed with in utero. He moved around a lot trying to escape the ultrasounds.
Posted by: Bulg at September 06, 2024 11:40 AM (v6JzV)

That's just crazy talk.

Posted by: Planned Parenthood, the proper term is "Pregnancy tissue" at September 06, 2024 11:42 AM (PiwSw)

129 99 No way I'm ever moving to Texas with the weather they have there.

We'll probably just stay in Virginia.
Posted by: Bulg at September

Virginia has crazy tornados, too. I have some pictures that are nuts! I would move back to RIC, because my older kids are there and I actually love that area. But I love it here more, and wish they would just come here.

Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:42 AM (QzINz)

130 So, you get the minority coalition of blue voters in red states and add in enough red votes from the left of the GOP faction to win a statewide race in a ruby red state.
Posted by: whig at September 06, 2024 11:34 AM (kW+z9)

Also must be said, there are red voters and blue voters, and there are voters who decide who to vote for, not based on party, but whatever else drives them.

One can look at them with disdain, but in some ways I envy them, for living their lives without following this stuff all the time.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 06, 2024 11:42 AM (dGCAG)

131 I beat you here by 2 months.

Of course, I moved from Charleston...downgrade. Still, I like my little corner.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:37 AM (GBKbO)
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Absolutely love it here. Daughter is here with her family now, son and his wife may join us next year. Had to be done.

A whole lot of people in our neighborhood are from NY.

Posted by: jhawk90 at September 06, 2024 11:42 AM (ggOdn)

132 I'm a refugee hoping for more refugees who can turn AZ back to red.

Posted by: InZona at September 06, 2024 11:43 AM (thY8d)

133 No way I'm ever moving to Texas with the weather they have there.

We'll probably just stay in Virginia.
Posted by: Bulg at September 06, 2024 11:33 AM (v6JzV)

Yes, Texas is horrible. No one should move here.

In summer it's do hot, dogs and cat just disappear in puffs of black smoke if they step on the blazing hot sidewalks. People have been burned down to their knees before they could escape to the grass and only get 3rd degree burns from the St Augustine.

And that's before we even get to the rattlesnake, tarantula, and scorpion migrations!

Stay away! It's your only hope.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 06, 2024 11:43 AM (eDfFs)

134 Figures lie.

Democrats run as Republicans in red states, because they can't win as democrats.

Then dem voters request Republican ballots.

Anybody that looks at the politics of Nashville or Knoxville and the change over the years knows Tennessee is not being filled with conservatives.

Tennessee will eventually decay, as well, and cuck Republicans will help it all along the way.

Posted by: Tennessean at September 06, 2024 11:43 AM (kR6py)

135 Hunter explains it all.

“I went to trial in Delaware not realizing the anguish it would cause my family, and I will not put them through it again,” Hunter Biden said in a statement in reference to the media spectacle that he faced during the gun trial earlier this summer.

“I will not subject my family to more pain, more invasions of privacy and needless embarrassment. For all I have put them through over the years, I can spare them this, and so I have decided to plead guilty,” he said. “Like millions of Americans, I failed to file and pay my taxes on time. For that I am responsible. As I have stated, addiction is not an excuse, but it is an explanation for some of my failures at issue in this case.”

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What a selfless guy!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 06, 2024 11:43 AM (L/fGl)

136 112 Miami-Dade is heavily hispanic but it's most Cuban descent. Many specifically fled Cuba's communism. Plus, Cubans consider themselves at the apex of hispanic heritage. They think of themselves as hispanic aristocracy.

Miami Cubans are different breed than the socialist parasites swarming over from Undiscovered Countries. They tend to be more conservative.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 06, 2024 11:37 AM (iFTx/)

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They had that makeup in 2018 when they voted 60% for Gillum.

They had that makeup in 2022 when they voted 55% for DeSantis.

The heritage of the city didn't seem to matter as much as DeSantis' efforts at cleaning up elections.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:44 AM (GBKbO)

137 127 Neither is the graphic scene in Tommyknockers.

While I would strongly resist the idea of banning King in general, I definitely buy the idea that we can try to have nice t'ings.
Posted by: Axeman at

No one is suggesting books be banned, even the homosexual ones. They just don’t need to be in schools. If a parent decides that is appropriate content for their child, they can buy it for them, or borrow from a library where it’s in an appropriate spot.

Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:44 AM (QzINz)

138 Daughter of Diogenes #2 and her hub are looking hard at Tennessee as they travel around the country. They like it there. If they land there, I will be taking a hard look out there myself.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 06, 2024 11:44 AM (W/lyH)

139 Neither is the graphic scene in Tommyknockers.

While I would strongly resist the idea of banning King in general, I definitely buy the idea that we can try to have nice t'ings.
Posted by: Axeman at September 06, 2024 11:41 AM (krQz2)

I haven't read that one. I would say The Shining doesn't belong in schools, at least until upper middle school.

Whereas The Stand would be something I would suggest is worth reading as soon as a kid is up to getting down the slog of it.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 06, 2024 11:44 AM (dGCAG)

140 The Dem. oligarchies have multiple plans to keep Trump out of the WH. None of them involve Kamala winning the most votes.

Who is John Galt?

Posted by: Going deep. Out. at September 06, 2024 11:45 AM (9X60i)

141 I like the term Refugees and Colonizers

Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2024 11:04 AM (fwDg9)

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"You see you don't have to live in a Colony ..."

/Initial lyrics to Tom Petty's song "Refugee"

Posted by: ShainS -- If Your Independence Lasts Over 4 Hours, You May Have Been Red-Pilled at September 06, 2024 11:45 AM (10Lv1)

142
Kudos to Tennessee.
Posted by: Dr. Claw

Don't blame me. I voted for Kudos.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 06, 2024 11:46 AM (63Dwl)

143 seriously that was some effed up shit
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 06, 2024 11:37 AM (s3qiR)

I think I only ever read one Stephen King book. He is a hack writer. No need to have his stuff in school libraries. Any kid wants to read him, there are plenty of bookstores to sell them one.

School libraries should be weighted towards classics and books of an uplifting nature.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 06, 2024 11:46 AM (6T/Ac)

144 That was the beginning of their transition to the thriving metropolises they are today.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Reservations were based on the multiple sovereignty model with reservations on par with states in the equation.

Some reservations have done well by their tribal members; others not. Depends on the culture of the tribe, its leadership, and what it can bring to the table as far as natural resources, location, education, etc.

It is a recognition that people and their cultures are not potatoes and trying to force unwilling people and their cultures into a cosmic 'melting pot' is evil.

Best to live and let live rather than prop up a national government uber alles.

Posted by: whig at September 06, 2024 11:46 AM (kW+z9)

145 138 Daughter of Diogenes #2 and her hub are looking hard at Tennessee as they travel around the country. They like it there. If they land there, I will be taking a hard look out there myself.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 06, 2024 11:44 AM (W/lyH)

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I was born in Columbia. Still have family there and roundabouts.

It's becoming a Nashville suburb, though.

Still, there was this great moment a few years ago. I was talking to my uncle on the phone, and I just described an old etching I'd found in a newspaper showing an army marching over a bridge in Columbia after Shiloh. He said, "I know where that is." The next time I visited, he took me down there. It wasn't the bridge that's right about there now, but you can see the original supports of the bridge as it was about 50 yards upriver.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:46 AM (GBKbO)

146 No one is suggesting books be banned, even the homosexual ones. They just don’t need to be in schools. If a parent decides that is appropriate content for their child, they can buy it for them, or borrow from a library where it’s in an appropriate spot.
Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:44 AM (QzINz)

Banning might not be the right word, but as with many things, the left controls the narrative, and that means you will always be arguing uphill with things like this.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 06, 2024 11:46 AM (dGCAG)

147 While I would strongly resist the idea of banning King in general, I definitely buy the idea that we can try to have nice t'ings.
Posted by: Axeman at

No one is suggesting books be banned, even the homosexual ones.

Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:44 AM (QzINz)
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I was contrasting the two circumstances--however, certain people try to frame banning books from school libraries as "banning" in general.

Posted by: Axeman at September 06, 2024 11:47 AM (krQz2)

148 135 Hunter explains it all.

“I went to trial in Delaware not realizing the anguish it would cause my family, and I will not put them through it again,” Hunter Biden said in a statement in reference to the media spectacle that he faced during the gun trial earlier this summer.

“I will not subject my family to more pain, more invasions of privacy and needless embarrassment. For all I have put them through over the years, I can spare them this, and so I have decided to plead guilty,” he said. “Like millions of Americans, I failed to file and pay my taxes on time. For that I am responsible. As I have stated, addiction is not an excuse, but it is an explanation for some of my failures at issue in this case.”

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What a selfless guy!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 06, 2024 11:43 AM (L/fGl)

"And unlike the millions who failed to pay their taxes online, I'm going to get a pardon from Dad."
--Also Hunter

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 06, 2024 11:48 AM (N39Ws)

149 Welcome news!

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 06, 2024 11:48 AM (kzHlT)

150 The heritage of the city didn't seem to matter as much as DeSantis' efforts at cleaning up elections.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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True. We know how to eliminate mass fraud in ballots--we already did it once during the 1900's to 1920's in most states and cities.

Posted by: whig at September 06, 2024 11:49 AM (kW+z9)

151 146
Banning might not be the right word, but as with many things, the left controls the narrative, and that means you will always be arguing uphill with things like this.
Posted by: BurtTC at September

Once again we need to thank Elon, because Mr. King is being called out on his histrionics. But mainstream media still stinks.

Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:49 AM (QzINz)

152 My vocabulary lacks the depth and breadth to adequately describe the sorriness of the Biden clan.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 06, 2024 11:49 AM (kzHlT)

153 FOIA Docs Confirm USDA Lied About Chinese Bird Flu Research Partnership

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Well, I'll be go to Hell!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 06, 2024 11:50 AM (L/fGl)

154 Superstar "Christian" athlete Steph Curry says he's voting for Kamala because she's pro-abortion 🥴

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I guess that's in the Book of Moloch.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 06, 2024 11:39 AM (L/fGl)

Not an athlete. A basketball player.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 06, 2024 11:50 AM (6T/Ac)

155 I'm getting the impression this election season that it's not repub vs. dem parties but Americans vs. Tyrants (communists).

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at September 06, 2024 11:10 AM (g8Ew

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That sounds about right, and Obama is the commie in chief. He's beginning to age. He's not the big new thing anymore. Best explained here why that he's nearing the end of his shelf life. https://bit.ly/3MC4R8u

Posted by: Black JEM at September 06, 2024 11:50 AM (GZYu7)

156 I'm a refugee hoping for more refugees who can turn AZ back to red.

Posted by: InZona at September 06, 2024 11:43 AM (thY8d)

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+2 for over a decade.

Posted by: ShainS -- If Your Independence Lasts Over 4 Hours, You May Have Been Red-Pilled at September 06, 2024 11:51 AM (10Lv1)

157 Jesse Kelly - my spirit animal - says that talking about whether there will be a national divorce or whatever is missing the point. The separation is already happening.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 06, 2024 11:51 AM (QfvaV)

158 Once again we need to thank Elon, because Mr. King is being called out on his histrionics. But mainstream media still stinks.
Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:49 AM (QzINz)

As it was with Vance's comments on the school shooting.

They twist and distort, and you spend a significant amount of time unraveling their lies, to the point where they "win" political arguments by forcing you to fight against the lies, rather than argue in good faith.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 06, 2024 11:51 AM (dGCAG)

159 Worst of all, the "refugees" coming to Tennessee are defeated pussies that couldn't defend their own states, gladly took the filthy lucre from the liberal shithole government jobs and programs, and then move here driving up prices, congesting our roads, overwhelming our infrastructure and destroying our formerly enjoyable rural areas.

Anyone that thinks "refugees" moving to your conservative state will strengthen the conservative values of your state must surely believe that hordes of Hispanics fleeing totalitarianism will surely steel your society against totalitarianism.

Posted by: Tennessean at September 06, 2024 11:52 AM (kR6py)

160 154 Superstar "Christian" athlete Steph Curry says he's voting for Kamala because she's pro-abortion

Steph isn't a nazi but does support their policies of mass murder as a Christian.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 06, 2024 11:53 AM (kzHlT)

161 Forgive us for Mitch

Once? Twice? Sure. Seven times? Nuh uh, you guys own that sh*t.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 06, 2024 11:53 AM (/y8xj)

162 King Arthur: Legend of the Sword is this really weird combination of Conan the Barbarian, Zach Snyder, and Guy Ritchie gangster movie.

I kinda like it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:53 AM (GBKbO)

163 Banning might not be the right word, but as with many things, the left controls the narrative, and that means you will always be arguing uphill with things like this.
Posted by: BurtTC

Don't think that is true anymore. Basically Trump has forced the left and the GOPe to take of their masks and reveal themselves as against anything that challenges their power.

Same reason AfD is surging in Germany and Le Pen's coalition is in France.

Tell someone they cannot do something and then pissing on those same citizens from a great height by endangering and impoverishing them is not a recipe for success in governance. Because I can is never a good rationale for governments to follow.

Posted by: whig at September 06, 2024 11:53 AM (kW+z9)

164 I'm not crazy about the use of "colonizers" for the leftists. It is buying the left's Leninist model of Evil Western Imperialism, and the Mahometan anti-Israeli Jew-hate. Even though I get the point of using their language against them. But that is successful when the language is new, like "fake news". Lenin's is over a century old, and I expect it will work just as well as other cases of following their lead.

Even if you think you're going to avoid it, words have a tidal tug.
Posted by: Eeyore at September 06, 2024 11:08 AM (1bNHn)

Except that they absolutely *are* colonizers. Not exactly shy about it either. Those of us who fled Colorado for more sane areas can tell you the same.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 06, 2024 11:54 AM (s9EYN)

165 119
‘ Steph Curry says he's voting for Kamala because she's pro-abortion,

Yeah. That’s the reason.

Posted by: We all know that it is skin color. Just admit it already. at September 06, 2024 11:54 AM (jbnUc)

166 Jingle Bells! Jingle Bells!

Venezuela’s Maduro Decrees Christmas Will Start Oct. 1 as Election Unrest Continues

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Where am I gonna find a red Christmas tree?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 06, 2024 11:54 AM (L/fGl)

167 Banning might not be the right word, but as with many things, the left controls the narrative, and that means you will always be arguing uphill with things like this.

Posted by: BurtTC at September
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Big Media has a big megaphone.

It's almost like something is no big deal unless MiSiforMation makes it out to be something.

And even if everything isn't the scandal that MiSiforMation pumps it up to be, nonetheless it seems that not much MiSiforMation ignores becomes much of a scandal.

Posted by: Axeman at September 06, 2024 11:55 AM (krQz2)

168 🟥 Rick Scott (inc): 46%
🟦 D. Mucarsel-Powell: 45

How is this happening? DAVE! Where are you?

Emerson poll

Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:55 AM (QzINz)

169 Miami-Dade is heavily hispanic but it's most Cuban descent. Many specifically fled Cuba's communism. Plus, Cubans consider themselves at the apex of hispanic heritage. They think of themselves as hispanic aristocracy.

Miami Cubans are different breed than the socialist parasites swarming over from Undiscovered Countries. They tend to be more conservative.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 06, 2024 11:37 AM (iFTx/)

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They had that makeup in 2018 when they voted 60% for Gillum.

They had that makeup in 2022 when they voted 55% for DeSantis.

The heritage of the city didn't seem to matter as much as DeSantis' efforts at cleaning up elections.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:44 AM (GBKbO)
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DS was a successful and popular governor. In 2022, he was running against a weirdo crossover scumbag who nobody liked. Of course he got more votes in 2022 than 2018.

The cleanup began before DS arrived on the scene. It started after the 2000 debacle. It was basically a 20 year effort to clean up the votes. It worked. There IS a way to do it. But it takes years if not decades, AND the political will to do it.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 06, 2024 11:55 AM (iFTx/)

170 That sounds about right, and Obama is the commie in chief. He's beginning to age. He's not the big new thing anymore. Best explained here why that he's nearing the end of his shelf life. https://bit.ly/3MC4R8u

Obama now owns Harris. Legitimate VP candidates, from an already weak democrat bench caused by Obama’s famed 2010 humiliation, stood down. Their financial backers and political advisors suggesting they sit this one out rather than get themselves attached to Harris, saddled Harris with a terrible VP option. Walz. I’ve mentioned his awfulness above. They might have had a shot at Shapiro, from a state Harris desperately needs to win. But he’s Jewish. And the democrats, who are the party of antisemites now (another Obama accomplishment), couldn’t abandon Iran after October 7. They can’t abandon them after Hamas executed six hostages. It’s impossible to sustain this. And it is all Obama’s fault.

Dang, I hope this analysis is accurate. It seems like it is.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 11:55 AM (xCA6C)

171 156 I'm a refugee hoping for more refugees who can turn AZ back to red.

Posted by: InZona at September 06, 2024 11:43 AM (thY8d)

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+2 for over a decade.
Posted by: ShainS
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Drive a stake into voting by mail. Establish a state holiday for voting if you must but kill mail in ballot voting. There is a reason that pretty much universally among nations that actual vote, they don't use it.

Do that and clean up your voting roles, you will be as 'red' as Florida.

Posted by: whig at September 06, 2024 11:55 AM (kW+z9)

172 Don't think that is true anymore. Basically Trump has forced the left and the GOPe to take of their masks and reveal themselves as against anything that challenges their power.

Same reason AfD is surging in Germany and Le Pen's coalition is in France.

Tell someone they cannot do something and then pissing on those same citizens from a great height by endangering and impoverishing them is not a recipe for success in governance. Because I can is never a good rationale for governments to follow.
Posted by: whig at September 06, 2024 11:53 AM (kW+z9)

It might be less true than it's been in the past, but there's still a massive current of "information" that large swaths of the country get, from all the usual sources.

There's more room to fight back, but they still have most of the advantages.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 06, 2024 11:56 AM (dGCAG)

173 Democrats run as Republicans in red states, because they can't win as democrats.

Then dem voters request Republican ballots.

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That’s exactly how every primary works in my deep red county. And sadly, enough rubes are fooled into voting for Democrats with an R (wink wink) next to their name. My county voted 65-35 for Trump both times yet the same county has 2 commissioners who would fit right in Austin or Berkeley with their politics.

Posted by: Write it off Jerry at September 06, 2024 11:57 AM (jACTf)

174 Do that and clean up your voting roles, you will be as 'red' as Florida.
Posted by: whig at September

Whig, look at that poll I just posted.

Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:57 AM (QzINz)

175 Bursting at the seems!

Sopranos Star Says Hollywood Is “Full” Of Closeted Trump And RFK Jr. Voters

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 06, 2024 11:57 AM (L/fGl)

176 Good Morning Rant. Thank you.

I love Tennessee. I have cousins who went from country to lefty near Nashville and relatives in Knoxville who are steady Republican. It's just a really nice state and I so hope that holds - forever.

Relatives in central Florida who fled there years ago are complaining that overcrowding and insurance costs are making it almost impossible to remain, but now they can't afford to move to a 'better area.'

More than retirees changing the political picture, I think it's more so 'families' and children. The more that settle in a particular area, the greater taxes for infrastructure, state government, etc. While wealthier areas put land into conservation, other areas of the same region become ever more political and crowded. And, of course, more diverse.

I wanted to move to Virginia years ago, but now lovely Loudoun County, VA comes to mind & how it, too, had been sucked into the worst of politics. It's still lovely & I like Gov. Youngkin, but politics in VA can be particularly nasty & there are now some of the snobbiest places in state ever, thanks to D.C., and as there already are in PA.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at September 06, 2024 11:58 AM (NFX2v)

177 Superstar "Christian" athlete Steph Curry says he's voting for Kamala because she's pro-abortion 🥴

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I guess that's in the Book of Moloch.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 06, 2024 11:39 AM

Who?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 06, 2024 11:58 AM (kgE5c)

178 168 🟥 Rick Scott (inc): 46%
🟦 D. Mucarsel-Powell: 45

How is this happening? DAVE! Where are you?

Emerson poll
Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 11:55 AM (QzINz)

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Want me to list some polling misses in FL recently? Okay.

Emerson's final, most accurate poll of the 2018 Senate race was off by 5, in the D favor.

Emerson didn't even poll the 2022 race, but the aggregate seemed to be about 50-45 in favor of Rubio. He won 58-41.

Seriously, fuck polls.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:58 AM (GBKbO)

179 Anyone that thinks "refugees" moving to your conservative state will strengthen the conservative values of your state must surely believe that hordes of Hispanics fleeing totalitarianism will surely steel your society against totalitarianism.

We've already got one excellent example of that in the Florida Cubans. Furthermore, the Hispanic voting patterns for Trump are looking very good this year. Just because things went in one direction, doesn't mean they always will. Buck up.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 11:58 AM (xCA6C)

180 Venezuela’s Maduro Decrees Christmas Will Start Oct. 1 as Election Unrest Continues
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Where am I gonna find a red Christmas tree?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 06, 2024 11:54 AM (L/fGl)

https://tinyurl.com/2d8ynu32

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at September 06, 2024 11:58 AM (iODuv)

181 It's almost like something is no big deal unless MiSiforMation makes it out to be something.

And even if everything isn't the scandal that MiSiforMation pumps it up to be, nonetheless it seems that not much MiSiforMation ignores becomes much of a scandal.
Posted by: Axeman at September 06, 2024 11:55 AM (krQz2)

Yeah, that's a big part of it. Not just what they lie about, but what they keep silent about.

If they don't talk about it, it doesn't exist, and it didn't happen.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 06, 2024 11:58 AM (dGCAG)

182 If Stephen King, George Takai et al were kicked off the internet, that would be the closest thing to finding peace that could happen to them in this world.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 06, 2024 11:59 AM (cf/0E)

183 "In addition to that, all citizens will be required to change their underwear every half-hour. Underwear will be worn on the outside so we can check. "

Posted by: Maduro, tomorrow at September 06, 2024 11:59 AM (PiwSw)

184 169 DS was a successful and popular governor. In 2022, he was running against a weirdo crossover scumbag who nobody liked. Of course he got more votes in 2022 than 2018.

The cleanup began before DS arrived on the scene. It started after the 2000 debacle. It was basically a 20 year effort to clean up the votes. It worked. There IS a way to do it. But it takes years if not decades, AND the political will to do it.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at September 06, 2024 11:55 AM (iFTx/)

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DS isn't popular. He ran into the culture war headfirst, turning off suburban women and reporters in Manhattan.

He's the most unpopular governor in America.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:59 AM (GBKbO)

185 That sounds about right, and Obama is the commie in chief. He's beginning to age. He's not the big new thing anymore. Best explained here why that he's nearing the end of his shelf life. https://bit.ly/3MC4R8u

Posted by: Black JEM at September 06, 2024 11:50 AM (GZYu7)

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Good read & analysis; thanks for posting that link.

Posted by: ShainS -- If Your Independence Lasts Over 4 Hours, You May Have Been Red-Pilled at September 06, 2024 11:59 AM (10Lv1)

186 “ but we can't allow what's happened in Gaza to happen. The Palestinian people have every right to life and liberty themselves. We need to continue, I think to put the leverage on to make sure we move towards a two state solution. I think we're at a critical point right now. We need the Netanyahu government to start moving in that direction. But I think those folks who are speaking out loudly in Michigan are speaking out for all the right reasons. It's a humanitarian crisis. It can't stand the way it is. And we need to find a way that people can live together in this and we’ve said it and continue to say it, getting a ceasefire with the return of the hostages and then moving towards a sustainable two state solution is the only way forward.“

- Tim Walz.

Please, Lord. Helps us. This man has as much leadership ability as a 3 legged mule.

Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 12:00 PM (pZEOD)

187 154 Superstar "Christian" athlete Steph Curry says he's voting for Kamala because she's pro-abortion 🥴

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I guess that's in the Book of Moloch.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 06, 2024 11:39 AM (L/fGl)

Not an athlete. A basketball player.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 06, 2024 11:50 AM (6T/Ac)

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Thanks for that.

Posted by: Pro golfers at September 06, 2024 12:00 PM (wzAuc)

188 Where am I gonna find a red Christmas tree?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

They get pretty russet-colored once they die.

Posted by: Bulg at September 06, 2024 12:00 PM (v6JzV)

189 Same reason AfD is surging in Germany and Le Pen's coalition is in France.

Tell someone they cannot do something and then pissing on those same citizens from a great height by endangering and impoverishing them is not a recipe for success in governance. Because I can is never a good rationale for governments to follow.

I predict Great Britain will follow AfD and LePen, and that the current government will become unable to govern in the near future.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 12:01 PM (xCA6C)

190 178
Seriously, fuck polls.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September

Bless you. Thank you.

Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 12:01 PM (pZEOD)

191 The cleanup began before DS arrived on the scene. It started after the 2000 debacle. It was basically a 20 year effort to clean up the votes. It worked. There IS a way to do it. But it takes years if not decades, AND the political will to do it.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade

Snipes, the election director in Miami Dade was a major reason that elections were so close in Florida. Once she was forced out, Miami Dade snapped back in voting.

Ken Blackwell did the same thankless thing in Ohio as SoS and fought it out in the courts while the typical GOP turds in other state offices dithered around.

The Motor Voter bill is clear. Voter lists must be cleared of deadwood (moved, dead, non-existent, etc. on a regular basis). That is what the GOP forced onto the bill despite not being in a winning position. So, even in blue states, determined citizens and local GOP managed to get millions of non existent voters chucked out of the voter lists in Orange County and other places in CA. Success has been repeated in jurisdiction after jurisdiction even suits in blue states with Obama judges because the law is clear on that point. You must purge the voter rolls periodically.

Posted by: whig at September 06, 2024 12:01 PM (kW+z9)

192 189 I predict Great Britain will follow AfD and LePen, and that the current government will become unable to govern in the near future.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 12:01 PM (xCA6C)

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This will require the Conservative Party actually finding a standard bearer willing to at least mouth the right platitudes. The Reform Party (or whatever) is dead in the water with only 5ish seats.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 12:01 PM (GBKbO)

193

Please, Lord. Helps us. This man has as much leadership ability as a 3 legged mule.

WTF???

Posted by: 3 legged mule at September 06, 2024 12:01 PM (kzHlT)

194 DS isn't popular. He ran into the culture war headfirst, turning off suburban women and reporters in Manhattan.

He's the most unpopular governor in America.

You almost got me for a second.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 12:02 PM (xCA6C)

195 188 Where am I gonna find a red Christmas tree?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

They get pretty russet-colored once they die.
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Dried out XMAS trees burn fast.

Posted by: Donovan at September 06, 2024 12:02 PM (FmapG)

196 Florida swung hard to the right for DeSantis. He’s a good governor, handled hurricanes well, and opened up the beaches during Covid. That’s stuff people like, it’s kinda non-partisan stuff that LIVs reward with votes.

But that doesn’t translate into a deep red state for a senate election.

Trunp only won FL by 4% in 2020. despite what people seem to think? Florida is not Oklahoma. , so yeah a senate race will be competitive.

Posted by: Write it off Jerry at September 06, 2024 12:02 PM (jACTf)

197 J’s father developed a lot of Winston Salem. He wants a mountain cabin in NC. When not in Jackson with his mom, or Italy, that is where he was. I understand it, but worry.
Posted by: Piper

Cashiers, NC is a beautiful place. My sister-in-law from Atlanta area had a cabin there for many years. Cooler at altitude, too.

Posted by: oldnorthstate at September 06, 2024 12:03 PM (CV8a5)

198 Florida is pink, not red.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 06, 2024 12:03 PM (kzHlT)

199 Well, there were all those empty closets in Hollywood, after the gays vacated them and decided to talk about their sex lives ALL THE BLEEPING TIME.
Hopefully the Hollywood Trump people can at least have nice parties in those spacious closets, before the left comes and loads them into the cattle cars.

Posted by: Wally at September 06, 2024 12:03 PM (hqVaF)

200 This will require the Conservative Party actually finding a standard bearer willing to at least mouth the right platitudes. The Reform Party (or whatever) is dead in the water with only 5ish seats.

I predict a resurrection. Farage is so obviously cut from a different cloth than the rest of the Brit pols that I think he'll become very popular.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 12:03 PM (xCA6C)

201 Nood.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at September 06, 2024 12:03 PM (spxNX)

202
What a selfless guy!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 06, 2024

Pardon me?

Posted by: Hunter Bidem at September 06, 2024 12:03 PM (RKVpM)

203 Florida is pink, not red.

Posted by: Xipe Totec

Well, parts of Miami, anyway.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 06, 2024 12:04 PM (xCA6C)

204 Drive a stake into voting by mail. Establish a state holiday for voting if you must but kill mail in ballot voting. There is a reason that pretty much universally among nations that actual vote, they don't use it.

Do that and clean up your voting roles, you will be as 'red' as Florida.

Posted by: whig at September 06, 2024 11:55 AM (kW+z9)
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I think the blue urban hell holes are not nearly as blue as we have been led to believe. Any red state can clean them up.

Posted by: Black JEM at September 06, 2024 12:04 PM (GZYu7)

205 I lived in TN for nearly a year now. My small conservative enclave northwest of Nashville suits me just fine. Don't miss central Ohio one bit.

Posted by: Tuna at September 06, 2024 12:05 PM (oaGWv)

206 Still, there was this great moment a few years ago. I was talking to my uncle on the phone, and I just described an old etching I'd found in a newspaper showing an army marching over a bridge in Columbia after Shiloh. He said, "I know where that is." The next time I visited, he took me down there. It wasn't the bridge that's right about there now, but you can see the original supports of the bridge as it was about 50 yards upriver.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 11:46 AM (GBKbO)
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Yeah, a lot more history back there.
In Washington State we have the Pig War of 1859 in the San Juan Islands.
Oh...and we make plutonium.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 06, 2024 12:05 PM (W/lyH)

207 196
But that doesn’t translate into a deep red state for a senate election.

Trunp only won FL by 4% in 2020. despite what people seem to think? Florida is not Oklahoma. , so yeah a senate race will be competitive.
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at September 06, 2024 12:02 PM (jACTf)

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Rubio won his election in 2022 by nearly 20%.

This is a huge swing in a swing state that could potentially be thrown up to "popular governor" who...went straight ahead into the culture war.

But that should have no effect on the 2024 race because polls, which have had massive, massive misses in FL recently, don't agree.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going full throttle with Tony Scott at September 06, 2024 12:06 PM (GBKbO)

208 nood kumswalla ducks

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 06, 2024 12:07 PM (v6XNT)

209 I predict Great Britain will follow AfD and LePen, and that the current government will become unable to govern in the near future.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Labor, despite having a huge majority--(it got about 33 percent or so of the vote) received a historic low in its voting percentage since WWII.

The Conservatives were crippled even more because they proved useless and actually harmful during Covid period to governance. They dropped to a historic low in voting percentage too (24 pct or so I think).

Turnout was down so much that the 2024 election percentage was about the same as the 2001 election and only the 1918 election was lower than 2001.

In a first past the post system, that is unprecedented.

Posted by: whig at September 06, 2024 12:08 PM (kW+z9)

210 No media or public speaking

Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2024 12:10 PM (fwDg9)

211 Walz is doing it as well

Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2024 12:10 PM (fwDg9)

212 It's the Candidate Protection Program

Posted by: Skip at September 06, 2024 12:13 PM (fwDg9)

213 186 Please, Lord. Helps us. This man has as much leadership ability as a 3 legged mule.
Posted by: Piper at September 06, 2024 12:00 PM (pZEOD)

He can't serve two masters. He's gonna have to choose between China and Islam.

Posted by: XTC at September 06, 2024 12:14 PM (UnA8+)

214 Worst of all, the "refugees" coming to Tennessee are defeated pussies that couldn't defend their own states, gladly took the filthy lucre from the liberal shithole government jobs and programs, and then move here driving up prices, congesting our roads, overwhelming our infrastructure and destroying our formerly enjoyable rural areas.
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spoken by someone who has never had to fight their local school board over transgender ideology being taught to kindergartners. Also spoken by someone who was never "put on a list of unruly parents who the principal no longer has to speak to" You be outnumbered 3 to 1 in voting against this crap- dodge drugged out zombies driving 120 down the interstate and tell us if your wife doesn't turn into pillar of salt as you load up your uhaul. Spend twenty years fighting then tell me what a pussy I am.

Posted by: SoUglyIBroketheLookingGlass at September 06, 2024 12:19 PM (yf5/z)

215 Sorry, but you have to be careful here: The Democrats didn't have a primary so there was no reason for Democrats to vote in one; however, Thomas Crooks was a registered Republican because the Democrats urged him to register as such and vote for Nikki Haley in order to hurt Trump. And this that didn't hurt Trump enough, the Democrats continued, Crooks could always try to shoot him, too.

Posted by: Darin Zimmerman at September 06, 2024 12:26 PM (AGFZZ)

216 Good post, Buck, and welcome news.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at September 06, 2024 12:27 PM (Wh50K)

217 Worst of all, the "refugees" coming to Tennessee are defeated pussies that couldn't defend their own states
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spoken by someone who has never had to fight their local school board over transgender ideology being taught to kindergartners...
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Dang. I see both positions, and have vacillated between both.

Without bloody conflict, I do not believe Cali, NY, etc can be changed. Simultaneously, if there is a peaceful option, I can't blame people for seeking such.

I think anyone who remains in a Blue state/city deserves everything coming to them. I also welcome Constitution-loving people to the Free State of Missouri.

I don't feel like that's cognitive dissonance, but maybe I'm self-delusional.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at September 06, 2024 12:34 PM (Wh50K)

218 This may be true but every dhimmierat brings 8 trolls, 6 vampires, 3 elfs, 5 ogres, and 11 pixies with him, all of which vote Marxist. All of these live in the bathroom of the local strip club.

Posted by: Jane at September 06, 2024 12:36 PM (bXvrr)

219 Buck-I’m one of those blue state refugees that has come to TN. I left Massachusetts 10 months ago after 35 years in the Boston area. I tell people here that I came to make it redder not blue or purple.

If the cost of living, taxes and general lunatics that run the northern states wasn’t enough to leave, the Covid debacle put it in another category. It was unreal how it was handled and for how long. The vaccine and mask mandates were just being lifted in the fall of 2023 as I was leaving. I lost my job because of the vax mandate.

I had enough of the discrimination from being non vaxed from people I had known for decades. I was treated like a leper. And no one would hire without vax paperwork. I jokingly (but really seriously) said to folks maybe I should wear a yellow Star of David on my shirt so they all would know. That snark didn’t go over well.

So I had enough and left. I’m happy to be here. Still trying to get adjusted, find a job and where I eventually want to buy a house. I miss my friends that stuck by me but I’m hopeful to make new ones here.

Posted by: Mrs Emma Peel at September 06, 2024 12:43 PM (lIN5E)

220 yep

spent a couple hours wistfully searching upscale neighborhoods in Tennessee over the past couple years

like Texas but Tennessee has correct Midwest weather

would have moved years ago but I finally got my house the way I like it, and my neighborhood here in the IL suburbs is one of the best anywhere in the country, as are the schools

but if they try to trans my kids I guess I'll have no choice

already happened to a friend of ours

Posted by: TallDave at September 06, 2024 12:44 PM (qNa2s)

221 >>>78 Seeing a Google news 23 Steven King books are banned in Florida schools

Go back and read "IT" again. You will be horrified by the pre-teen child sex ritual. No one wants elementary school kids reading that stuff.

Posted by: TallDave at September 06, 2024 12:51 PM (qNa2s)

222 As an escapee to Texas myself, I have long held that people who voluntarily relocate to red states are overwhelmingly conservative in their politics. Colorado was destroyed because the California transplants were impressed with the skiing and laid back attitude. Same with the hippies who infested Vermont starting in the '60's. But most of this type are repelled by the conservative values of the red states. Conversely, the current migration attracts people fed up with their leftist hell holes.

Posted by: Felix L at September 06, 2024 01:11 PM (y+9Sa)

223 They fvken better be!

Posted by: rechill at September 06, 2024 01:36 PM (K1zyu)

224 We in Central Texas, had a mass exodus from Californians 5 years ago. The first things they started doing was trying to mak us Texafornia..uh-uh, that ain't happening!!
If Cali was so wonderful, why aren't any of us Texans going out there to live?

It"s because it COSTS TOO MUCH, has LIBERAL LEFTISTS RUNNING IT, and a host of other things I won't mention due to my religion as a Christian.

They are still doing their best to ruin our state, and as a 7th-generation Texan, I'll state that their personal breathing might be at stake if they screw with us too much! They have no earthly idea what they are up against here, and we are definitely not some Newsome-created nightmare they are running desperately away from!

Be VERY careful, your Californicators! We are watching you closer than you might think!

Posted by: Jim Campbell at September 06, 2024 04:11 PM (A9XjX)

225 Just wait for the Demo-Rats to want them all returned for not supporting the Demo-Rats

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at September 06, 2024 04:44 PM (wGqjj)

226 Not so in Colorado nor Idaho

Turned the states blue

Az, NM turned them blue too

Nevada, Washington… blue refugees voting blue

Posted by: Gonzotx at September 06, 2024 06:10 PM (YjECI)

227 Do "refugees" who take Republican ballots always vote for the stronger Republican candidate, or sometimes for the weaker one?

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