Josh Hawley: Most of Trump's "Secret Service Agents" Were Non-SS Homeland Security Employees Whose "Training" to Protect a President Was an Two-Hour-Long <i>Webinar</i>

Josh Hawley: Most of Trump's "Secret Service Agents" Were Non-SS Homeland Security Employees Whose "Training" to Protect a President Was an Two-Hour-Long Webinar

A two hour long Zoom "training."

And get this -- the sound didn't even work for parts of this elite-level "training."

Oh -- and it wasn't the Secret Service who killed the assassin. It was a local police countersniper.

Whistleblowers tell Hawley:

A local police countersniper -- from the ground, not from an elevated position -- neutralized the shooter, NOT the Secret Service (though they did fire the shots that killed him);
Acting USSS Director Rowe lied about this in his recent Congressional testimony;
Many of the agents assigned to the protective detail on July 13 were not from the Secret Service, but from Homeland Security, which has no experience in protecting a President;
Those DHS agents were pulled off of their other jobs, like child endangerment investigations, for this posting;
The DHS agents had NO training other than a single webinar;
And finally, the webinar didn't even work for some parts of its two-hour duration.

ALERT: @HawleyMO reveals shocking new whistleblower testimony about the agents assigned to Trump's detail the day he was nearly assassinated. pic.twitter.com/IFR8c25hI1
— Jesse Watters (@JesseBWatters) September 4, 2024

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 06:30 PM

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1 Treason

Posted by: Beartooth at September 04, 2024 06:30 PM (Sr5W/)

2 The SS was too busy. Crooks needed all the help he could get.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 04, 2024 06:30 PM (XP28L)

3 Also, in before nothing will happen comment.

Posted by: Beartooth at September 04, 2024 06:30 PM (Sr5W/)

4 Yorkies should be scampering here in a moment or two

Posted by: Beartooth at September 04, 2024 06:32 PM (Sr5W/)

5 Dept of Homeland Security needs to just be shut down, it's worthless.

Thanks again, Dubya.

Posted by: Blago at September 04, 2024 06:32 PM (wMRY8)

6 So bargain basement security??

Posted by: tubal at September 04, 2024 06:33 PM (PCK5/)

7 Pretty sure one section of the Zoom training was about pronoun usage.

Posted by: Beartooth at September 04, 2024 06:33 PM (Sr5W/)

8 But they got the government issued sunglasses right

Posted by: Gonzotx at September 04, 2024 06:33 PM (YjECI)

9 I think this evidence buttresses my contention that there was no specific plot to kill Trump, but rather it was a government-wide effort to marginalize him in every government action, combined with unbelievable incompetence. That it worked out perfectly for the assassin is just a bonus.

And...I'll bet that most of the SS protection details are crappy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 04, 2024 06:34 PM (d9fT1)

10
"If you hear a bang, duck."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 04, 2024 06:34 PM (1Nxff)

11 Well hey at least they had training....

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 04, 2024 06:35 PM (QNSds)

12 What the fucking fuck? Earlier I thought this was some kind of internet gag.

Fuck!

Gotta get moar ammo.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 04, 2024 06:35 PM (Ad8y9)

13 How many times was Crooks shot? The more we find out about this the absolute incompetence actually makes it look like an intentional set up inside job

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 04, 2024 06:35 PM (337Wc)

14 Well as long as they got certificates for the training in their files, there is nothing we can do.

Posted by: DOJ at September 04, 2024 06:35 PM (b4o9z)

15 One hand gives incompetent protection the other hand spins up the local known wolves.

Perfect deniability.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 04, 2024 06:35 PM (oZhjI)

16 Looks like I missed a bunch today while I was out on the mountain bike.

Nice to know I could have used that time to get my Secret Service Badge if I had only brought some airpods.

Posted by: garrett at September 04, 2024 06:35 PM (xH/0z)

17 And...I'll bet that most of the SS protection details are crappy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 04, 2024 06:34 PM (d9fT1)

You would too night after night of hookers and blow on the government expense tab.

Posted by: Beartooth at September 04, 2024 06:36 PM (Sr5W/)

18 finally some believable information about this, lol

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at September 04, 2024 06:36 PM (UWgy2)

19 Tell me again how no resources were denied to Trump for this event. How many actual SS agents were on the detail and what's a normal contingent? I wouldn't be surprised to find out Hillary still has more SS agents protecting her than Trump did that day.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 04, 2024 06:36 PM (Odg76)

20 Naomie Wolf thought Jill's event suddenly taking place the same time as PDT's was suspicious, because it pulled resources from PDT's detail on the day of the shooting.

it would explain what appears to be the last minute scramble to find agents to cover the event.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 04, 2024 06:36 PM (tT6L1)

21 In light of… well, everything, I no longer am able to even guess at just what the hell is going on…

Posted by: tubal at September 04, 2024 06:36 PM (PCK5/)

22 It was reported about the DHS personnel just a few days after the shooting but not about the webinar training.

That’s why I didn’t like to make fun of the women as they could’ve gotten shot too. They should’ve never been out in that situation, especially with no training. I wonder if they even had a choice to be there.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 04, 2024 06:37 PM (2fIO4)

23 In light of… well, everything, I no longer am able to even guess at just what the hell is going on…
Posted by: tubal at September 04, 2024 06:36 PM (PCK5/)

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The Powers that Be tried to assassinate President Trump. No need to guess.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 04, 2024 06:37 PM (tT6L1)

24 In light of… well, everything, I no longer am able to even guess at just what the hell is going on…

Posted by: tubal at September 04, 2024 06:36 PM

Well we do know one thing for sure, they want Trump dead.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 04, 2024 06:38 PM (QNSds)

25 A two hour long Zoom "training."
_________________

"I love those!" - Jeffrey Toobin

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 04, 2024 06:38 PM (YqDXo)

26 $6.5 trillion a year and can’t protect him from a dude fresh out of high school.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 04, 2024 06:38 PM (b4o9z)

27 We had reports that most of the 'agents' were DHS not Secret Service on day 1 of this.

But just like Jan 6, the FBI and Gov will not 'admit' to anything.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 04, 2024 06:38 PM (xaFKb)

28
Remember, if you think inflation, the border and DEI are issues in this election, you're a dupe of Russian propaganda.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 04, 2024 06:39 PM (1Nxff)

29 I foresee a sternly-worded letter in Acting USSS Director Rowe's future.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 04, 2024 06:39 PM (JsD5q)

30 Here's one of the downhills I did today. Fun stuff. Though this guy isn't real smooth on his line choices...

https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=6r16XI5rkaQ&t=6s

Posted by: garrett at September 04, 2024 06:39 PM (xH/0z)

31 That’s why I didn’t like to make fun of the women as they could’ve gotten shot too. They should’ve never been out in that situation, especially with no training. I wonder if they even had a choice to be there.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 04, 2024 06:37 PM (2fIO4)

Yeah, but one of those Female Agents is now 'protecting' JD Vance.

Nuff... said...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 04, 2024 06:40 PM (xaFKb)

32 Naomi Wolf thought Jill's event suddenly taking place the same time as PDT's was suspicious, because it pulled resources from PDT's detail on the day of the shooting.

it would explain what appears to be the last minute scramble to find agents to cover the event.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 04, 2024 06:36 PM (tT6L1)
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You'd think the last minute scramble would have resulted in the ersatz agents going to Dr. Jill's event, not the Donald's.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 04, 2024 06:40 PM (YqDXo)

33 As a former President doesn't Trump have a designated SS detail assigned to him ?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 04, 2024 06:40 PM (B1dzx)

34 What the hell is going on…. I’ll start.. who, EXACTLY, is in charge of the country, right now???

Posted by: tubal at September 04, 2024 06:40 PM (PCK5/)

35 Yeah, but one of those Female Agents is now 'protecting' JD Vance.
_______________

That would be Agent Fupa, who was cowering behind the agents surrounding Trump.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 04, 2024 06:40 PM (YqDXo)

36 This is like finding out that the cameras were broken and guards were asleep when Epstein died.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at September 04, 2024 06:41 PM (s19xO)

37 I long for the old days when I still had a duffle bag full of shocked faces that I could go to in a pinch.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 04, 2024 06:41 PM (mH6SG)

38 The Biden junta, the democrat party, and the federal government (BIRM, BIRM) is proving the conspiracy theory true faster than usual. They conspired to assassinate POTUS Trump.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 04, 2024 06:41 PM (17s+e)

39 Hey now, look. They are doing their very best here.

Who or wee to judge their obvious competence?

Posted by: El Mariachi at September 04, 2024 06:41 PM (nLFEI)

40 Like I have commented before; If NCIS is shitty too, I'm going to write Mark Harmon a nasty letter.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at September 04, 2024 06:42 PM (Z8Yh2)

41 that would explain several of them hiding. And then freaking out at the hospital.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 04, 2024 06:42 PM (D7oie)

42 Are there any webinars to defund our dogshit federal government?

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at September 04, 2024 06:42 PM (paSBy)

43 >>that would explain several of them hiding. And then freaking out at the hospital.

Squeal Team Six didn't have their best day, that day.

Posted by: garrett at September 04, 2024 06:42 PM (xH/0z)

44 Bet Hunter doesn't get the DHS flunkies.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 04, 2024 06:42 PM (WbH4L)

45 Do you think this "happenstance" level of incompetence and wide-open and unguarded assassin platforms is allowed to occur anywhere near Kamala... Joe... Barack... Nancy... etc? Or the show is allowed to go on uninterrupted with a previously identified threat wandering?

No. Not a mere cascade of errors.

Posted by: Rikki Tikki Tavi at September 04, 2024 06:43 PM (UPund)

46 So you are telling us Trump got the Temu version of the SS?

Posted by: IC - #FJB at September 04, 2024 06:43 PM (YiKO5)

47 I suspect that a significant number of USSS regulars from misc. details had been given a few days off from these continuous campaign events, as the conventions were upcoming and they had been going with no time off.

Not an excuse, but part of an explanation.

Also, the Trump campaign had an event nearby in Butler recently with no problems made them think they could wing it.

All bad....

Posted by: Andrew at September 04, 2024 06:43 PM (11aAq)

48 Dept of Homeland Security needs to just be shut down, it's worthless.

Thanks again, Dubya.
Posted by: Blago at September 04, 2024 06:32 PM (wMRY

Oh please. Without DHS who is going to inform me that peanut butter is a liquid and then pull me out of line for no obvious reason?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 04, 2024 06:43 PM (D7oie)

49 I read that as their training came from a single *winebar* and it still made sense!

Posted by: Sugar Plum fairy at September 04, 2024 06:43 PM (G77LY)

50 Well, get Trump elected and let Elon take a look. Because it's starting to look like we can get rid of the Secret Service.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 04, 2024 06:43 PM (MpVUb)

51 There is iron in the words of Weasel-san for all Morons to see:

"Focus on fundamentals. Buy ammo."

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 04, 2024 06:43 PM (JsD5q)

52
Yeah, but one of those Female Agents is now 'protecting' JD Vance.

Nuff... said...
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 04, 2024 06:40 PM (xaFKb)

__________

Battle tested!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 04, 2024 06:44 PM (1Nxff)

53
The counter-sniper on the ground blew the gun out of the assassins hands before the assassins brains littered the rooftop.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 04, 2024 06:44 PM (RKVpM)

54 You'd think the last minute scramble would have resulted in the ersatz agents going to Dr. Jill's event, not the Donald's.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 04, 2024 06:40 PM (YqDXo)
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From what Naomie says, it's the exact opposite. Dr. Jill would get the best agents, not a candidate for President.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 04, 2024 06:44 PM (tT6L1)

55 I hurts my heart commenters chalk this up to an accident.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at September 04, 2024 06:44 PM (Z8Yh2)

56
Is this another triumph for distance "learning" via Zoom?

I think that it is!

Keep those trainees away from our heroic trainers!

-- Ran-D Beirgarten, American Federation of Trainers Preznint

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 04, 2024 06:44 PM (xG4kz)

57 How many times was Crooks shot? The more we find out about this the absolute incompetence actually makes it look like an intentional set up inside job
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 04, 2024 06:35 PM (337Wc)

per the cops on the scene, eight pieces of brass on the roof, one sniper shot to the rifle and one sniper shot to the mouth, killing him

The tapes have 8 shots

Posted by: Kindltot at September 04, 2024 06:45 PM (D7oie)

58 56
Is this another triumph for distance "learning" via Zoom?

I think that it is!

Keep those trainees away from our heroic trainers!

-- Ran-D Beirgarten, American Federation of Trainers Preznint
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 04, 2024 06:44 PM (xG4kz)

And next up? The introduction of the Secret Services new Work from HOME Policy!

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 04, 2024 06:46 PM (xaFKb)

59 What, Meal Team 6 wasn't available?

Posted by: ShainS -- If Your Independence Lasts Over 4 Hours, You May Have Been Red-Pilled at September 04, 2024 06:46 PM (MnHeR)

60 Jeez.

If it was just two hours, how come they didn't have time to pop in an OSHA tape "You and Rooftop Safety?"

And still make it out by lunchtime.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 04, 2024 06:47 PM (q3zn6)

61 I long for the old days when I still had a duffle bag full of shocked faces that I could go to in a pinch.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 04, 2024 06:41 PM

In fairness, be glad that the field in which you grow your fvcks is still lush and verdant.

Some of ours are barren.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 04, 2024 06:47 PM (JsD5q)

62 Small wonder it looked like a clusterfvck.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at September 04, 2024 06:47 PM (qZdIZ)

63 So the fat chick who couldn't reholster her weapon was TSA?

Checks out.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 04, 2024 06:47 PM (RIvkX)

64 Arthur C. Clarke said that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

A Moron (not me, unfortunately!) wrote a while back that any sufficiently incompetent action is indistinguishable from malice. An action like this one.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 04, 2024 06:47 PM (4ngLF)

65
They will be replaced by the Uvalde PD.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 04, 2024 06:47 PM (1Nxff)

66 How do these people, who continuously FAIL at their mandatory jobs, like enforcing the border and protecting important people, think they can solve issues like climate change? Or peace in the middle east?

I'd gladly vote for a politician that says, on something like the Hamas war, "beats me. Israel probably knows what's the right solution here. We'll just stay out of it."

Climate change "Well let's reduce emission using the most cost-effective means at our disposal. And by cost effective, I mean don't expect shit for subsides or mandates. We don't KNOW enough to know what to invest in, and we are kinda incompetent anyway.""

Posted by: El Mariachi at September 04, 2024 06:47 PM (nLFEI)

67 And next up? The introduction of the Secret Services new Work from HOME Policy!
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 04, 2024 06:46 PM (xaFKb)

... and bonuses for all.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at September 04, 2024 06:48 PM (AiZBA)

68 Treason

Posted by: Beartooth at September 04, 2024 06:30 PM (Sr5W/)

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None none dare call it FIRST!

/with apologies to Sponge ...

Posted by: ShainS -- If Your Independence Lasts Over 4 Hours, You May Have Been Red-Pilled at September 04, 2024 06:48 PM (MnHeR)

69 I wonder if there's a two hour webinar on Zoom to learn neurosurgery? I sure could use the extra income.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 04, 2024 06:48 PM (mH6SG)

70 Has Bongino divulged those USSS names he was teasing us on a week or so ago?

Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 04, 2024 06:49 PM (4ngLF)

71 'Other than that...

how did you like the Farm and Tractor Show Mr Trump?'

Posted by: garrett at September 04, 2024 06:49 PM (xH/0z)

72 9 I think this evidence buttresses my contention that there was no specific plot to kill Trump, but rather it was a government-wide effort to marginalize him in every government action, combined with unbelievable incompetence. That it worked out perfectly for the assassin is just a bonus.

And...I'll bet that most of the SS protection details are crappy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 04, 2024 06:34 PM (d9fT1)

_________________________________

I look at it more as creating the opportunity. That's unforgivable. But, I think it might have gone a bit further in that there is NO WAY the head of the detail was not aware of a subject walking around with a range finder and even a gun. The indifference shown suggests purposeful non-response in a way such that she was thinking, "Oh boy...it's all going to pay off...just like we hoped."

Posted by: Orson at September 04, 2024 06:49 PM (dIske)

73 Webinar...wonderful. Works well for other professions, right? I wanna be a pilot, so I'll take a webinar...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 04, 2024 06:49 PM (ynpvh)

74 The counter-sniper on the ground blew the gun out of the assassins hands before the assassins brains littered the rooftop.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 04, 2024 06:44 PM

The picture I saw had little blood, was remarkably lacking in cranial matter or a distorted head.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 04, 2024 06:50 PM (JsD5q)

75
And next up? The introduction of the Secret Services new Work from HOME Policy!
Posted by: Romeo13

Are you bucking for a fast track promotions, pal?

Because this is EXACTLY the type of out-of-the-wine-box thinking that will get you a fast track promotion!

-- Ran-D Beirgarten, American Federation of Trainers Preznint

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 04, 2024 06:50 PM (xG4kz)

76 I guess that power point did not cover how to holster and unholster a weapon????

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 04, 2024 06:51 PM (SHAib)

77 I could tag a couple dozen of The Horde, and produce a better Security Team than was provided to Trump on that fateful day.

We'd also need a Lawyer to draw up some airtight Rules of Engagement.

Might I nominate Alex the Chick, with a side of consultation from Berserker Dragonheads? Yeah, he's not a lawyer, but he'd certainly help to inspire the Spirit of those Rules, yes?

And set up Weasel on Overwatch, with an M-61 Vulcan Sniper Cannon. If one well aimed shot is good, then how 'bout a one second burst of thirty rounds of 20mm goodness?

Remember. It's not Overkill. It's Cheap Insurance.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 04, 2024 06:51 PM (kQgoX)

78 Work from home? Hell, you had one bring her baby to work so she could nurse it. Has that been memory holed?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 04, 2024 06:51 PM (MpVUb)

79 >>>Oh -- and it wasn't the Secret Service who killed the assassin. It was a local police countersniper.

This is incorrect. Local police "neutralized" the shooter with a shot that hit and disabled his rifle. I believe that it was still the SS who made the kill shot.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 04, 2024 06:52 PM (O/ysf)

80 The picture I saw had little blood, was remarkably lacking in cranial matter or a distorted head.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 04, 2024 06:50 PM (JsD5q)
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If indeed Crooks took a 300 WinMag to the cranium, a goodly portion of his head would have been scattered all over the roof.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 04, 2024 06:52 PM (tT6L1)

81 There is iron in the words of Weasel-san for all Morons to see:

"Focus on fundamentals. Buy ammo."
Posted by: Duncanthrax
__________

I had no idea that Ten Bears was also the Indian in Cuckoo"s Nest until I just now looked it up. Which I was doing because Ten Bears had a gut and I wanted to see how old he was (43 at the time of Josey Wales).

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at September 04, 2024 06:52 PM (Dm8we)

82
Why aren't the folks who were slotted into that detail coming forward and ratting out this whole shitstorm?

Do they not understand that they were set up to take the fall if Crooks had taken down PDJT? They should be pissed!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 04, 2024 06:53 PM (xG4kz)

83 >>If indeed Crooks took a 300 WinMag to the cranium, a goodly portion of his head would have been scattered all over the roof.

Hard to tell just from the Caliber.

You'd need to know the Load and the Projectile Specs to even make a guess.

Posted by: garrett at September 04, 2024 06:53 PM (xH/0z)

84 Just looked at the photo of the shooter again… his head is Not all ‘Splodey…

Posted by: tubal at September 04, 2024 06:53 PM (PCK5/)

85 Jim, I was just thinking I could name 4 'Ettes that could provide better security

Posted by: Ben Had at September 04, 2024 06:54 PM (WbH4L)

86 It was an op.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) reminds you at September 04, 2024 06:54 PM (cw9q7)

87 ***A local police countersniper -- from the ground, not from an elevated position -- neutralized the shooter, NOT the Secret Service (though they did fire the shots that killed him);
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How many shots hit knumb knutz? There were only five sound shots recorded and they were accounted for toward Trump therefor all the snipers must have used silencers. Was he so full of holes they had to incinerate him?

Posted by: Braenyard at September 04, 2024 06:54 PM (qC/Q1)

88 @ Jim, I had the same thought.

By the way, it's plainly obvious the people who set up the assassination attempt didn't care if a Trump supporter or three died in the process.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 04, 2024 06:54 PM (tT6L1)

89 The picture I saw had little blood, was remarkably lacking in cranial matter or a distorted head.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 04, 2024 06:50 PM (JsD5q)

Oh, lots of blood, got shot in the mouth and it missed his brain case as far as I could see. If this is the 'kid died in an auto accident and was placed on the roof" I suppose it would work but that requires a lot of extra work.
I am thinking there was a second shooter in the trees engaging the roof snipers

Posted by: Kindltot at September 04, 2024 06:55 PM (D7oie)

90 Bush could have reformed the CIA and the FBI after 9/11. But being a big government uniparty guy we got a new bureaucracy , the DHS. Now it's run by Mayorkas who appears to be a commie. Thx W

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 04, 2024 06:55 PM (337Wc)

91 If indeed Crooks took a 300 WinMag to the cranium, a goodly portion of his head would have been scattered all over the roof.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 04, 2024 06:52 PM

Given that picture, my suspicion is he took a subsonic 9 mil to the back of the head.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 04, 2024 06:56 PM (JsD5q)

92 Just looked at the photo of the shooter again… his head is Not all ‘Splodey…
Posted by: tubal at September 04, 2024 06:53 PM (PCK5/)

Bullet went in the mouth, out the back from what I hear.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 06:56 PM (n7h9X)

93 Rubbish

Posted by: Going deep. Out. at September 04, 2024 06:56 PM (4NjOL)

94 A two hour long Zoom "training."
_________________

"I love those!" - Jeffrey Toobin

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You're not fooling anyone.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 04, 2024 06:56 PM (O/ysf)

95 I'm imagining every webinar ever that drops audio, has people having side conversations off mute, and generally none of the audience paying attention anyway. Top. Men.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at September 04, 2024 06:56 PM (nGrbk)

96 I suspect that a significant number of USSS regulars from misc. details had been given a few days off from these continuous campaign events, as the conventions were upcoming and they had been going with no time off.
__________________

So send the scrubs to protect DOCTOR Jill, and the first team to protect a former (and future, I hope) President.

Meanwhile, that sister of Sappho Cheatle is now afforded Secret Service protection, because reasons. I bet she doesn't get Agent Fupa and the scrubs.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 04, 2024 06:56 PM (YqDXo)

97
What, Meal Team 6 wasn't available?
Posted by: ShainS -- If Your Independence Lasts Over 4 Hours, You May Have Been Red-Pilled

Are you aware that Lt. Col Bearclaw Vindman is running for Congress in Virginia?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 04, 2024 06:56 PM (xG4kz)

98 blake, shouldn't there have been a hole on the roof from the .bullet exiting his skull?

Posted by: Ben Had at September 04, 2024 06:57 PM (WbH4L)

99 Oh, lots of blood, got shot in the mouth and it missed his brain case as far as I could see. If this is the 'kid died in an auto accident and was placed on the roof" I suppose it would work but that requires a lot of extra work.
I am thinking there was a second shooter in the trees engaging the roof snipers
Posted by: Kindltot at September 04, 2024 06:55 PM (D7oie)

why? the roof snipers weren't shooting at anyone.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 06:57 PM (n7h9X)

100 If he was shot with a 300 WM he wouldn't have a head anymore.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 04, 2024 06:57 PM (b4o9z)

101 Hard to tell just from the Caliber.

You'd need to know the Load and the Projectile Specs to even make a guess.
Posted by: garrett at September 04, 2024 06:53 PM (xH/0z)

I have been told, but cannot verify, that a 300 WinMag at NATO specs will open an elk up real messy.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 04, 2024 06:57 PM (D7oie)

102 99 Now it's run by Mayorkas who appears to be a commie.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 04, 2024 06:55 PM (337Wc)

Find me someone running things in DC who isn't.

Posted by: Auspex at September 04, 2024 06:57 PM (j4U/Z)

103 blake, shouldn't there have been a hole on the roof from the .bullet exiting his skull?
Posted by: Ben Had at September 04, 2024 06:57 PM (WbH4L)

Shot was going pretty level, roof slopes down from the head of shooter.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 06:58 PM (n7h9X)

104 Are you aware that Lt. Col Bearclaw Vindman is running for Congress in Virginia?

A dozen donuts in every cupboard!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 04, 2024 06:58 PM (mH6SG)

105 The picture I saw had little blood, was remarkably lacking in cranial matter or a distorted head.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 04, 2024 06:50 PM (JsD5q)

Probably just a fine mist !

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 04, 2024 06:58 PM (NtVYv)

106 Hard to tell just from the Caliber.

You'd need to know the Load and the Projectile Specs to even make a guess.

Posted by: garrett at September 04, 2024 06:53 PM (xH/0z)

If it was in the brain cavity, sure. I'd expect expect 'splodey brain parts all over. If it was in the mouth, perhaps traveling down through neck and chest cavity, not so much.

And I don't recall seeing the front of his body at all.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 04, 2024 06:59 PM (O/ysf)

107 What, Meal Team 6 wasn't available?
Posted by: ShainS -- If Your Independence Lasts Over 4 Hours, You May Have Been Red-Pilled

Are you aware that Lt. Col Bearclaw Vindman is running for Congress in Virginia?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 04, 2024 06:56 PM (xG4kz)

No, its a brother or cousin or something. He's probably just as bad.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 06:59 PM (n7h9X)

108
Webinar...wonderful. Works well for other professions, right? I wanna be a pilot, so I'll take a webinar...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

Ask us for a testimonial!

-- BOING! design team for the marooned space barge, USS Astroglide

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 04, 2024 06:59 PM (xG4kz)

109 >>>Oh -- and it wasn't the Secret Service who killed the assassin. It was a local police countersniper.

I think you are a bit off on this. From what I read, the local guy shot at the assassin and hit hit rifle, which disabled it. Only after the assassin was no longer able to shoot, then the SS sniper team killed him.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 04, 2024 07:00 PM (klJTj)

110 Bongino has suggested *wink wink* that the SS was trying to get you know who whacked. Just do everything wrong so the assassin can get lucky.

They are going to try the Whitey Bulgar gambit next.

It's like watching a Road Runner
cartoon except real people die.

Posted by: torabora at September 04, 2024 07:00 PM (4QEFC)

111 Hard to tell just from the Caliber.

You'd need to know the Load and the Projectile Specs to even make a guess.
Posted by: garrett at September 04, 2024 06:53 PM

I have hunted with .300 WinMag. Even a FMJ would have split that cranium like a ripe cantaloupe.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 04, 2024 07:00 PM (JsD5q)

112 Yeah, but one of those Female Agents is now 'protecting' JD Vance.

Nuff... said...
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 04, 2024 06:40 PM (xaFKb)

———

Government sucks

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 04, 2024 07:01 PM (1vkxO)

113 If he was shot with a 300 WM he wouldn't have a head anymore.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 04, 2024 06:57 PM

I don't think it was a .300 Winmag. Most civilian sniper teams use a .308. But yes if you take a big round like that to the head you ain't gonna have a noggin anymore.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 04, 2024 07:01 PM (QNSds)

114 90 Bush could have reformed the CIA and the FBI after 9/11. But being a big government uniparty guy we got a new bureaucracy , the DHS. Now it's run by Mayorkas who appears to be a commie. Thx W

Posted by: Smell the Glove

=====

A few years ago - we probably all cite different dates - the alphabet agencies became aware that they were untouchable.

It probably resembled Cartman dancing and singing after discovering he can use Tourretts Syndrome as his cover for making obscene comments to the entire city of South Park.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at September 04, 2024 07:01 PM (8AONa)

115 I'm imagining every webinar ever that drops audio, has people having side conversations off mute, and generally none of the audience paying attention anyway. Top. Men.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at September 04, 2024 06:56 PM (nGrbk)

A webinar is not training. It is a box-checking exercise. And we're not talking about people smart enough to be splitting atoms here, either. So, box-checking is a safe bet for DHS flunkies.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 04, 2024 07:01 PM (O/ysf)

116 Some police use .223

Most .308

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 04, 2024 07:01 PM (NtVYv)

117 There was a time when O'Reilly and Hannity were the voices of the right. That was so fucked up. That was before the time of Trump.

Posted by: hart at September 04, 2024 07:02 PM (SGfHY)

118 How many shots hit knumb knutz? There were only five sound shots recorded and they were accounted for toward Trump therefor all the snipers must have used silencers. Was he so full of holes they had to incinerate him?
Posted by: Braenyard at September 04, 2024 06:54 PM (qC/Q1)

Last I heard it was 8 shots by shooter, and 2 by law enforcement both hits.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 07:02 PM (n7h9X)

119 I think this evidence buttresses my contention that there was no specific plot to kill Trump, but rather it was a government-wide effort to marginalize him in every government action, combined with unbelievable incompetence. That it worked out perfectly for the assassin is just a bonus.

You buy lottery tickets, too don't you....

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 04, 2024 07:02 PM (3Ope8)

120 Hard to tell just from the Caliber.

You'd need to know the Load and the Projectile Specs to even make a guess.
Posted by: garrett at September 04, 2024 06:53 PM (xH/0z)
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The target rounds I use in my 06 @500 yards have 1700 ft lbs of energy @500 yards and these are VT (varmint target) rounds. They would explode a head @ 400 yards. The 300 WinMag was probably loaded with a 200+ grain hollow point of some sort or perhaps a ballistic tip @ similar velocity or greater. They'd go through the head but, there probably wouldn't be much left after the bullet exited.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 04, 2024 07:02 PM (tT6L1)

121 I hate everyone.

This is such bullshit.

Every facet of our Republic is going straight to shit. And it's being dismantled on purpose and no one gives a crap.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 04, 2024 07:02 PM (z8KUs)

122 There was a time when O'Reilly and Hannity were the voices of the right. That was so fucked up. That was before the time of Trump.
Posted by: hart at September 04, 2024 07:02 PM (SGfHY)

No, Rush was the voice of the Right then.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 07:02 PM (n7h9X)

123 Hey, I have a question about trump, someone claimed that Biden called him that day and among other things, asked Trump why he had taken off his shoes. Is that just a made up thing, or is there a source for that?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 04, 2024 07:03 PM (D7oie)

124 "And finally, the webinar didn't even work for some parts of its two-hour duration."
- - - - - - - - - -
"Now, as agents, you are tasked with ..." (34 seconds pass) "... peat, and this is very important, that you ..." (18 missing minutes) "... ludes our training. Remember to go out there and..." (end cut off)

Posted by: Another Anon at September 04, 2024 07:03 PM (QNMaY)

125 A webinar is not training. It is a box-checking exercise. And we're not talking about people smart enough to be splitting atoms here, either. So, box-checking is a safe bet for DHS flunkies.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 04, 2024 07:01 PM (O/ysf)
_______________

"And now for the crucial 'reholstering your weapon' segment. Oh jeez, look at the time. Class dismissed!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 04, 2024 07:03 PM (YqDXo)

126 35 Yeah, but one of those Female Agents is now 'protecting' JD Vance.
_______________

That would be Agent Fupa, who was cowering behind the agents surrounding Trump.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 04, 2024 06:40 PM (YqDXo)

I thought it was Melissa McCarthy, doing method acting training.

Posted by: Auspex at September 04, 2024 07:04 PM (j4U/Z)

127
All I have to say is that it is a good thing that every Cabinet Department now has its own stockpile of weapons and ammo so that they can ensure that every one of their employees can exhibit top notch weapons handling skills!

Reholster a pistol? That's a cinch!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 04, 2024 07:04 PM (xG4kz)

128 I saw Bill O'Reilly on TV this weekend, he looks only slightly younger than dirt.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 04, 2024 07:04 PM (D7oie)

129 64 Arthur C. Clarke said that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

A Moron (not me, unfortunately!) wrote a while back that any sufficiently incompetent action is indistinguishable from malice. An action like this one.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 04, 2024 06:47 PM (4ngLF)

Yeah, even if stupid, you would think they would get things right sometimes... maybe no half... but at least some.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 04, 2024 07:04 PM (xaFKb)

130 A former president/current party candidate for president should be getting top-notch protection, period. Didn't Cheadle say they have 36 current protectees? I wonder how many of them have better protection than Trump had.

Posted by: bluebell at September 04, 2024 07:04 PM (bS+DD)

131 >>>Oh -- and it wasn't the Secret Service who killed the assassin. It was a local police countersniper.

I think you are a bit off on this. From what I read, the local guy shot at the assassin and hit hit rifle, which disabled it. Only after the assassin was no longer able to shoot, then the SS sniper team killed him.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 04, 2024 07:00 PM (klJTj)

I heard that first, but later the news was changed to no SS sniper hits, I think from the congressional hearings.

Note that the SS still has released just about nothing on this.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 07:05 PM (n7h9X)

132 Well they cremated the body so you're not going to get any forensics from that. And they didn't put crime scene tape around the crime scene because it wasn't a crime scene.

I'm slow but I'm figuring out how they think.

Posted by: torabora at September 04, 2024 07:05 PM (4QEFC)

133 A former president/current party candidate for president should be getting top-notch protection, period. Didn't Cheadle say they have 36 current protectees? I wonder how many of them have better protection than Trump had.
Posted by: bluebell at September 04, 2024 07:04 PM (bS+DD)

all of them, the SS isn't trying to kill them.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 07:05 PM (n7h9X)

134 I mostly stopped following this, but I saw this news earlier today and I have doubts.

1. The short woman was also part of Trump's security a few days later when he had "upgraded, all USSS" team and not HS. It sounds like this is bull and the USSS is trying to blame non-agents for the problems and now a scandal is being made of the non-training they got, when in fact, many were actual trained (DEI) USSS

2. What I think happened is that
-locals shot but not clear what they hit. Then USSS CS fired and hit.
- People saw damage to gun and assumed that was from locals, but in fact it was from the bullet after passing through the (as yet unconfirmed identity) shooter.
- Locals wanted to claim they "neutralized" the shooter, when in fact, (a) it was the USSS CS, and (b) the damage was far back in the stock and did not disable the gun anyway.
- so the pissing contest continued. USSS said "no, you didn't neutralize him since the damage was too far back on stock"
(when actually it wasn't even a local bullet that did that damage.)

Early reports said the locals fired but missed, only startling the shooter. Now they claim they hit is rifle.
Trust nothing anyone says

Posted by: Gentlemen, whatever manifest at September 04, 2024 07:05 PM (uaBab)

135 Okay. ENOUGH of all this .300 W.M. makes a Pekinpah Spray, every damn time it's tried.

Boolets do weird and unpredictable things.

I once shot a whitetail doe, at the grand distance of about 40 yards. I was prone on the ground, and she had just raised her head to chew her last bit of grass, ever.

150 gr. Win White Box, .308. Bullet went in her neck, did the spine shot I wanted. But went through the brain case, exiting her left eye socket. Her ENTIRE BRAIN frisbeed outta her skull, and landed a dozen feet away, intact. No pink mist. Just a weird, almost rectangular 1.5" x 2" (appx) flap of skull, still held on with skin, opened like a garage door to let the brain go on it's merry way.

If that doe's eye and brain flap dripped a dozen drops of blood, that's likely a two-drop overcount.

First rule of Ballistic Impacts. Bullets Have No RULES, once the target is hit.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 04, 2024 07:06 PM (kQgoX)

136 Ooops
Ooopsie

Posted by: Write it off Jerry at September 04, 2024 07:06 PM (YcGkc)

137 Didn't Cheadle say they have 36 current protectees?
___________________

And now she's one of them. Amazingly.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 04, 2024 07:06 PM (YqDXo)

138 134

Trust nothing anyone says
Posted by: Gentlemen, whatever manifest at September 04, 2024 07:05 PM (uaBab)

You get it…

Posted by: tubal at September 04, 2024 07:07 PM (PCK5/)

139 So, box-checking is a safe bet for DHS flunkies.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon

So true. My very large corporate employer had mostly done away with even having quizzes at the end of the MANY online trainings we take. Most of it is policy/ law compliance stuff, but I gotta give em props for adding the actual checkbox at the end. Of course the checkbox is the employee agreeing they took, understand, and will comply, I assume to deflect liability down to is peons.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at September 04, 2024 07:07 PM (nGrbk)

140 In the days after the attempted murder, some had recalled and called out Biden for the remark a couple weeks previous to July 13- "It's time to put Trump in the bullseye." I guess Joe said that, I've seen Joe try and walk it back in interviews. What a pos

Posted by: Rex B at September 04, 2024 07:07 PM (592Pr)

141 Seriously ... part of the problem with Trump. And a couple generations.

At the end of the day ... your security is who is setting you up. It's not a conspiracy theory when its conspiracy fact.

But who ... in that room .. is going to tell Donald Trump "Hey, old dude, the world has changed" ?

Nobody. Nobody talking like that gets in that room.

Posted by: Who Cares at September 04, 2024 07:07 PM (GpYXU)

142 I heard that first, but later the news was changed to no SS sniper hits, I think from the congressional hearings.

Note that the SS still has released just about nothing on this.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 07:05 PM (n7h9X)

I concur that SS is not forthcoming.

But Ace's cite to Twitchy says local cop neutralized, SS killed.

Local cop shot did appear to hit buffer tube, from pics I saw with local cop attribution. Only open point is whether SS took the kill shot.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 04, 2024 07:07 PM (O/ysf)

143 You would think there would be eight numbered evidence markers where the brass landed but darn it. There aren't any.

Posted by: torabora at September 04, 2024 07:07 PM (4QEFC)

144 I don't think it was a .300 Winmag. Most civilian sniper teams use a .308. But yes if you take a big round like that to the head you ain't gonna have a noggin anymore.
*************
Same bullet. .300WM has a bigger case, more powder and more velocity.

Posted by: Cosda at September 04, 2024 07:08 PM (r4Suu)

145 By the way, if Crooks was actually shot in the mouth, that would explain why he still had a head attached to his body.

I'd also mention 300 WinMag is favored by counter sniper teams. I suspect it's due to its ability to push a large heavy bullet down a barrel at a high rate of speed.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 04, 2024 07:08 PM (tT6L1)

146 Did they recover either of the two bullets fired at Crooks?

Posted by: torabora at September 04, 2024 07:08 PM (4QEFC)

147 I assume to deflect liability down to is peons.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at September 04, 2024 07:07 PM (nGrbk)

Which, in the end, is what all this is REALLY about.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 04, 2024 07:09 PM (O/ysf)

148 At the end of the day ... your security is who is setting you up. It's not a conspiracy theory when it's conspiracy fact.
_________________

Zombie Indira Gandhi nods.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 04, 2024 07:09 PM (YqDXo)

149 Oh -- and it wasn't the Secret Service who killed the assassin. It was a local police countersniper.

Which is actually surprising.

The SS sent snipers to the rally (which was very unusual).

One assumes that their mission was to kill as the assassin after he had killed Trump.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 04, 2024 07:09 PM (uxCna)

150 And now she's one of them. Amazingly.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 04, 2024 07:06 PM (YqDXo)
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Let's give her the "agents" on loan from DHS investigations with the 2 hours of silent video training. Hey, good enough for a former president, good enough for her!

Posted by: bluebell at September 04, 2024 07:09 PM (bS+DD)

151 I hate everyone.

This is such bullshit.

Every facet of our Republic is going straight to shit. And it's being dismantled on purpose and no one gives a crap.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 04, 2024 07:02 PM (z8KUs)

I still like you nurse! try doing something you enjoy for a bit and feel better.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 07:09 PM (n7h9X)

152
Guess who the SS is also charged with watching real soon now?

Every grifting diplomat in NYC for the opening on the UN General Assembly

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 04, 2024 07:10 PM (xG4kz)

153 And if you think large Corp. webinar is that useless/ineffective, imagine what a bunch of nearly-DMV flunkies surfing porn and crapping in the halls can do with it.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 04, 2024 07:10 PM (O/ysf)

154 How many times was Crooks shot? The more we find out about this the absolute incompetence actually makes it look like an intentional set up inside job
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 04, 2024 06:35 PM (337Wc)

I'd like to see the positive DNA identification of him as being, indeed, Thomas Matthew Crooks.

You people can't be trusted with any of this.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 04, 2024 07:10 PM (dGCAG)

155 79 >>>Oh -- and it wasn't the Secret Service who killed the assassin. It was a local police countersniper.

This is incorrect. Local police "neutralized" the shooter with a shot that hit and disabled his rifle. I believe that it was still the SS who made the kill shot.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 04, 2024 06:52 PM (O/ysf)

Last week in a telecon with media the FBI Pittsburgh Office Special Agent in Charge sad the scumbag's weapon remains fully functional and was fired by the FBI.

"Additionally, regarding the subject's rifle, the FBI Lab Division successfully test-fired the weapon, concluding it was and remains fully operational. They also positively matched all eight shell casings located on the roof with the subject's rifle."

https://tinyurl.com/bdtwupv5

About a third of the way down. Do a word search on 'rifle'.

The chunk blasted-out the top of the stock begins near the end of the carbine-length buffer tube, by my reading of the FBI-released photo. So, buffer tube may not be damaged or warped enough to affect spring and buffer movement. (Yeah, I know - FBI photos and statements)

Posted by: Gref at September 04, 2024 07:11 PM (aBgBM)

156
This was a coordinated turkey shoot.

Posted by: Frank Barone at September 04, 2024 07:11 PM (+oR7L)

157 The SS sent snipers to the rally (which was very unusual).

One assumes that their mission was to kill as the assassin after he had killed Trump.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 04, 2024 07:09 PM (uxCna)

I wish people would stop with that. Any competent defense against assassins in a crowd would kill them right off like an insect. Wouldn't want more shots at the target or the crowd. Complicit defenders or competent, the result is the same.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 07:11 PM (n7h9X)

158 Image of two snipers on the day of infamy - one from the County and one from the USSS.

Posted by: 13times at September 04, 2024 07:11 PM (LTL2+)

159 Every grifting diplomat in NYC for the opening on the UN General Assembly
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 04, 2024 07:10 PM (xG4kz)
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This might be a good temporary employment opportunity for all the "undocumented migrants" they are housing in hotels there. After all, it doesn't matter what language you speak if the training video has no sound!

Posted by: bluebell at September 04, 2024 07:11 PM (bS+DD)

160 It’s one after another anymore… still haven’t figured out the Stephen Paddock incident… and that’s been a while back now…

Posted by: tubal at September 04, 2024 07:12 PM (PCK5/)

161 So, buffer tube may not be damaged or warped enough to affect spring and buffer movement. (Yeah, I know - FBI photos and statements)

Posted by: Gref at September 04, 2024 07:11 PM (aBgBM)

That's news to me, thanks. I suppose then after hitting the stock, buffer tube, he may have been affected enough to stop firing, thus "neutralized," allowing the kill shot to be made thereafter?

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 04, 2024 07:14 PM (O/ysf)

162 Godspeed Paul Harrell.
You will be missed.

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 04, 2024 07:14 PM (F43IE)

163 This is why I think we are headed for the biggest political crisis since 1861.

This is just one of many reasons why they can't allow the transfer of power to Trump - they can't afford to have all their prior activities investigated. (Epstein client list and all that.)

If Kamala's campaign implodes as badly as I think it is going to implode, it's just going to be an attempt at a naked seizure of power.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 04, 2024 07:14 PM (uxCna)

164 blake, shouldn't there have been a hole on the roof from the .bullet exiting his skull?
Posted by: Ben Had at September 04, 2024 06:57 PM (WbH4L)
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See Jim @ 135. He's spot on.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 04, 2024 07:14 PM (tT6L1)

165 Didn't Cheadle say they have 36 current protectees?
___________________

And now she's one of them. Amazingly.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 04, 2024 07:06 PM (YqDXo)

well we have some great candidates to guard her, hand picked and all.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 07:15 PM (n7h9X)

166 Trust nothing anyone says

Words to live by in 2024. What a clusterf*ck.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 04, 2024 07:15 PM (mH6SG)

167 I think you are a bit off on this. From what I read, the local guy shot at the assassin and hit hit rifle, which disabled it. Only after the assassin was no longer able to shoot, then the SS sniper team killed him.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 04, 2024 07:00 PM (klJTj)

I heard that first, but later the news was changed to no SS sniper hits, I think from the congressional hearings.

Note that the SS still has released just about nothing on this.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 07:05 PM (n7h9X)

Should be easy to show the rifle, if it was hit and disabled.

Where's that?

As for 'oo shot 'oo, I heard the audio. Three reasonably paced rounds. Five rapid fire rounds a couple seconds later. One final round.

Which set was the assassin's set? Which belonged to the cop, which belonged (if any) to the SS guys?

Posted by: BurtTC at September 04, 2024 07:15 PM (dGCAG)

168 A major problem we all have is our news sources… they really really really control information, don’t they??

Posted by: tubal at September 04, 2024 07:15 PM (PCK5/)

169 So nobody thought to hang an anvil over the open, obvious, and unguarded assassin's perch?

Posted by: Acme Security at September 04, 2024 07:15 PM (UPund)

170 So... why didn't Trump's "secret service" detail make note of this?

I know why...

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 04, 2024 07:16 PM (Q4IgG)

171 Someone really has to explain FBI doing cleanup on the roof.

Who ordered that?

Posted by: Gentlemen, whatever manifest at September 04, 2024 07:16 PM (uaBab)

172 What is the significance of the caliber rifle used?
It seems insignificant to me.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 04, 2024 07:17 PM (qC/Q1)

173 Two hour webinar to protect a past president and current presidential candidate? Sounds positively textbook...if you're trying to get him killed. I'm surprised they even had to attend a short webinar. Surely they could've been "trained" by reading the back of some cereal box.

Posted by: Lady in Black at September 04, 2024 07:17 PM (N2zvp)

174 Early reports said the locals fired but missed, only startling the shooter. Now they claim they hit is rifle.
Trust nothing anyone says
Posted by: Gentlemen, whatever manifest at September 04, 2024 07:05 PM (uaBab)

Seems odd that if they have the hero who saved Trump on staff they wouldn't be using him or her to save face.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 07:17 PM (n7h9X)

175 Like elections, it would cause distrust if people were allowed to see evidence or proof.

It would make people think there was a reason to doubt, so they must just accept what our betters tell us.

Posted by: Gentlemen, whatever manifest at September 04, 2024 07:17 PM (uaBab)

176 American Conservative president Icons
George Washington
Andrew Jackson
Calvin Coolege
Ronald Reagan
Donald Trump

Posted by: hart at September 04, 2024 07:17 PM (SGfHY)

177 That's news to me, thanks. I suppose then after hitting the stock, buffer tube, he may have been affected enough to stop firing, thus "neutralized," allowing the kill shot to be made thereafter?
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 04, 2024 07:14 PM (O/ysf)

Angle of shot to the buffer tube would seem to have to also hit the shooter... with at least fragments.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 04, 2024 07:17 PM (xaFKb)

178 The buffer tube definitely was not harmed enough to stop it from functioning according to the report.
The pictures back up that claim as well.

My background?
Well, I've assembled at least 30 AR15s
And two AR10s.

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 04, 2024 07:18 PM (F43IE)

179 171 Someone really has to explain FBI doing cleanup on the roof.

Who ordered that?
Posted by: Gentlemen, whatever manifest at September 04, 2024 07:16 PM (uaBab
An FBI tradition going way back, ‘tidying up’. Just like Winston Wolf.

Posted by: Eromero at September 04, 2024 07:19 PM (LHPAg)

180 As for 'oo shot 'oo, I heard the audio. Three reasonably paced rounds. Five rapid fire rounds a couple seconds later. One final round.

Which set was the assassin's set? Which belonged to the cop, which belonged (if any) to the SS guys?
Posted by: BurtTC at September 04, 2024 07:15 PM (dGCAG)

well since the story is the shooter had 8 shots then all but the last was him. A second defense shot must have been mixed in there.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 07:20 PM (n7h9X)

181 Who ordered that?
Posted by: Gentlemen, whatever manifest at September 04, 2024 07:16 PM (uaBab
An FBI tradition going way back, ‘tidying up’. Just like Winston Wolf.
Posted by: Eromero

Like they did at Waco, IIRC.

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 04, 2024 07:20 PM (F43IE)

182 Cleaning of the Biological Evidence

Third, regarding the cleaning of the AGR roof, the FBI followed established evidentiary policies and procedures for the return of crime scenes to the property owner.

This included cleaning the biological material from the AGR roof, only after ensuring we collected all relevant evidence.

FIB statement - https://shorturl.at/LtJ4L

Posted by: 13times at September 04, 2024 07:20 PM (LTL2+)

183 @ 169, LOL!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at September 04, 2024 07:20 PM (UWgy2)

184 178 The buffer tube definitely was not harmed enough to stop it from functioning according to the report.
The pictures back up that claim as well.

My background?
Well, I've assembled at least 30 AR15s
And two AR10s.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 04, 2024 07:18 PM (F43IE)

But placement of that shot... if the gun is still tucked up into a firing position? Right handed shooter? seems it would almost definitely wound the shoulder at the very least, if not get driven up into the neck area.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 04, 2024 07:21 PM (xaFKb)

185 >> Someone really has to explain FBI doing cleanup on the roof.

And cremating the body so quickly. Nope, nothing suspicious about that at all...

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at September 04, 2024 07:21 PM (w6EFb)

186 Last week in a telecon with media the FBI Pittsburgh Office Special Agent in Charge sad the scumbag's weapon remains fully functional and was fired by the FBI.

"Additionally, regarding the subject's rifle, the FBI Lab Division successfully test-fired the weapon, concluding it was and remains fully operational. They also positively matched all eight shell casings located on the roof with the subject's rifle."

https://tinyurl.com/bdtwupv5

About a third of the way down. Do a word search on 'rifle'.

The chunk blasted-out the top of the stock begins near the end of the carbine-length buffer tube, by my reading of the FBI-released photo. So, buffer tube may not be damaged or warped enough to affect spring and buffer movement. (Yeah, I know - FBI photos and statements)
Posted by: Gref at September 04, 2024 07:11 PM (aBgBM)

Thanks for posting.

Yeah, all "evidence" is subject to the question of whether any of it was swapped out or not.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 04, 2024 07:21 PM (dGCAG)

187 167 I think you are a bit off on this. From what I read, the local guy shot at the assassin and hit hit rifle, which disabled it. Only after the assassin was no longer able to shoot, then the SS sniper team killed him.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous

This was BS. If the rifle photo's released are real, the damage was aft of the buffer tube and the rifle was still fully operational
- Why did they test and release that information???? Why, because the Feds want to piss in the local's cherios and explain that even if they did hit the rifle it did NOT disable it.

But as I said, I think the damage was from the CS bullet after it ventilated whomever the f--- it was on the roof shooting at the stage.

Posted by: Gentlemen, whatever manifest at September 04, 2024 07:21 PM (uaBab)

188 So we know the Shooters Name: Colt Gray

But no pictures, no interviews with his friends and neighbors?

Kinda weird

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 04, 2024 07:22 PM (SHAib)

189 The DHS agents had NO training other than a single webinar;

But they did stay at a Holiday Inn Express so it's all good.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 04, 2024 07:23 PM (WXNFJ)

190 1st. Blake. Thanks for the vote of confidence, there.

Next: ...The buffer tube definitely was not harmed enough to stop it from functioning according to the report. The pictures back up that claim as well.

My background? Well, I've assembled at least 30 AR15s. And two AR10s. Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 04, 2024 07:18 PM (F43IE)

Likely. Betcha that M-4 buttstock was rendered either 1. Permanently Non-Adjustable, or; 2. Infinitely Adjustable.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 04, 2024 07:23 PM (kQgoX)

191 So how would this be different if, theoretically, the SS actually wanted Trump murdered?

Posted by: electronic means at September 04, 2024 07:24 PM (mjzrG)

192 we can go back and forth on the how and the details. who among the feds/locals knew the plan and was crooks working alone etc...

but the FedGov was trying to take out PDJT. that much is CLEAR. and they failed at that.

and I thank God every day. Providence was with us all that afternoon, bless!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 04, 2024 07:24 PM (s3qiR)

193 Two hour webinar to protect a past president and current presidential candidate? Sounds positively textbook...if you're trying to get him killed. I'm surprised they even had to attend a short webinar. Surely they could've been "trained" by reading the back of some cereal box.
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 04, 2024 07:17 PM (N2zvp)

But here is the other part. All THAT incompetence is wasted if no lone gunman is gonna be there. So someone, in cooperation with SS had to produce the shooter and vector them into where the incompetent defense could fail to stop them.

That had to be known and set up before Dr Jill went visiting and the new defense team could be arranged. And had to be set up after the debate debacle.

Likely that pawn was controlled by the FBI or people there.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 07:24 PM (n7h9X)

194 One assumes that their mission was to kill as the assassin after he had killed Trump.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 04, 2024 07:09 PM (uxCna)

I personally believe the inflammatory Trump = Hitler talk by the Left is intended to inspire assassination attempts by the more unhinged among them. (Before the fact, I predicted an attempt by someone like Crooks, and it happened.) I further believe they--probably Mayorkas--ensured Trump's protection detail would be a motley B-team incapable of protecting him.

The beauty of this invitation to murder is such an arrangement would be impossible to prove. That's why I don't believe the feds made sure Crooks was killed. For it to happen, someone would need to give the order. No one would give such an order. Too risky.

But yes, they want Trump dead. The only reason he isn't is a random turn of the head at the critical moment.

Posted by: troyriser at September 04, 2024 07:24 PM (Vvljl)

195 188 So we know the Shooters Name: Colt Gray

But no pictures, no interviews with his friends and neighbors?

Kinda weird

not weird they have to do some social media cleaning up and give his parents/friends an attitude adjustment

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 04, 2024 07:25 PM (s3qiR)

196 So we know the Shooters Name: Colt Gray

But no pictures, no interviews with his friends and neighbors?

Kinda weird
Posted by: Nevergiveup

And no hounding of his parents.

Nothing. Zip. Nada.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 04, 2024 07:25 PM (WXNFJ)

197 I collected images and some articles here:

https://archive.org/details/assassination-attempt

Not exhaustive - just things I happened to came across.

Posted by: 13times at September 04, 2024 07:25 PM (LTL2+)

198 So we know the Shooters Name: Colt Gray

But no pictures, no interviews with his friends and neighbors?

Kinda weird
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 04, 2024 07:22 PM (SHAib)

No 50 warnings to the FBI school shooting hotline that were all ignored? Has that hotline ever stopped a shooting?

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 07:25 PM (n7h9X)

199 I wonder how competent the Secret Service agents protecting Barton are? The ones I saw do not look like they laid off the donuts?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 04, 2024 07:25 PM (SHAib)

200 I have complete confidence in saying if Trump died that day, Biden would still be sharp as a tack and ready for four more years.

Posted by: bensdad00 at September 04, 2024 07:27 PM (F/35S)

201 >> One assumes that their mission was to kill the assassin after he had killed Trump.
——-
This is far too plausible for comfort.

Posted by: electronic means at September 04, 2024 07:27 PM (mjzrG)

202 but the FedGov was trying to take out PDJT. that much is CLEAR. and they failed at that.

and I thank God every day. Providence was with us all that afternoon, bless!
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 04, 2024 07:24 PM (s3qiR)

Yes, one man's life was saved (and another man's life was lost), but the government, either willfully or negligently allowed to come within an inch, the killing of a former (and future?) president.

This is the same government running everything else right now. Where does one go from there, when considering how to save this country?

Posted by: BurtTC at September 04, 2024 07:29 PM (dGCAG)

203 You know who else had SS protection, and he still got shot?

Posted by: Hermann Fegelein at September 04, 2024 07:29 PM (UPund)

204
But placement of that shot... if the gun is still tucked up into a firing position? Right handed shooter? seems it would almost definitely wound the shoulder at the very least, if not get driven up into the neck area.
Posted by: Romeo13 ,

Exactly. If the bullet didn't punch right thru which I would expect it to, he got a nice plastic transplant into his face along with copper and lead fragments at a minimum.

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 04, 2024 07:30 PM (F43IE)

205
The beauty of this invitation to murder is such an arrangement would be impossible to prove.

But yes, they want Trump dead. The only reason he isn't is a random turn of the head at the critical moment.
Posted by: troyriser at September 04, 20

The beauty of this invitation to murder is such an arrangement would be impossible to prove. That's why I don't believe the feds made sure Crooks was killed. For it to happen, someone would need to give the order. No one would give such an order. Too risky.

But yes, they want Trump dead. The only reason he isn't is a random turn of the head at the critical moment.
Posted by: troyriser at September 04, 2024 07:24 PM (Vvljl)

Its not enough. There aren't 50 assassins showing up at every Trump rally and being caught. And you don't have a lot of time, Biden was looking at being deposed by a coup in *days*. They couldn't wait for 5 rallys to go by and hope even the the B team wouldn't find the dude wandering about openly for hours looking suspicious.

And you need a guilty person to non stop Trump from getting on stage once the warning of man with a gun went off.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 04, 2024 07:31 PM (n7h9X)

206 This is the same government running everything else right now. Where does one go from there, when considering how to save this country?

Burt one way or another the current fedgov is basically toast. they cannot perform the most basic of duties. our currency is out of control. our foreign allies are backing away, some not so slowly.

it's going to collapse. the stronger states will continue on. OR PDJT wins the election (well he'll win either way but I mean they don't steal it successfully) and maybe he can keep things together. I actually think he can; he has some excellent ideas coming in. He knows now what time it is.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 04, 2024 07:31 PM (s3qiR)

207 The first shot that hit the assassin was from a local SWAT cop, but I understand it was SS who finished him after that.

The first shot hit the rifle's buffer tube.

Posted by: Don at September 04, 2024 07:32 PM (2GPfT)

208 I'm sure the shooter's autopsy will answer all questions.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 04, 2024 07:32 PM (WXNFJ)

209 lol tonypete you got a laugh out of me there

and I've had a day

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 04, 2024 07:33 PM (s3qiR)

210 Nood Arthur cafe

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at September 04, 2024 07:33 PM (nGrbk)

211 * offers Black Orchid a relaxing libation*

Posted by: Ben Had at September 04, 2024 07:34 PM (WbH4L)

212 Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 04, 2024 07:22 PM (SHAib)
---------

Well hello! Long time no see.

Posted by: bluebell at September 04, 2024 07:35 PM (bS+DD)

213 Exactly. If the bullet didn't punch right thru which I would expect it to, he got a nice plastic transplant into his face along with copper and lead fragments at a minimum.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 04, 2024 07:30 PM (F43IE)

That's sorta what I was thinking. At least a stunner

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 04, 2024 07:38 PM (NtVYv)

214 The Epstein client list is a big reason why they will move heaven and earth to keep DJT out of office.
Maybe the only reason...

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 04, 2024 07:39 PM (MeG8a)

215 Trump was supposed to die that day. The images of his head being turned to mist was the purpose. For The Deep State something went wrong.

Posted by: hart at September 04, 2024 07:40 PM (SGfHY)

216 NOOD CAFE!!!!

Posted by: Max Power at September 04, 2024 07:41 PM (q177U)

217 I have been told, but cannot verify, that a 300 WinMag at NATO specs will open an elk up real messy.
Posted by: Kindltot

Depending on the angle of your shot, a well placed kill zone shot will take a decent sized chunk of the front quarter where it exits. If if it hits bone, bigger hole.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * unburdened at September 04, 2024 07:53 PM (VDKGo)

218 I think even Bongino suggests Crooks was talking to someone ... so implication is ... others involved. "Someone" made the plans, opened the right doors, put the SS and FBI on (basically) stand down.

"It was an op.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)"

yeah, it sure looks like a well coordinated op that succeeded right until Trump turned his head. I prefer to see Devine intervention ... and hope that continues. But we are certainly up against an evil/demonic cabal of murderers.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 04, 2024 07:56 PM (Cus5s)

219 55 I hurts my heart commenters chalk this up to an accident.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at September 04, 2024 06:44 PM (Z8Yh2)

Attempted murder, only Comperatore was an accident. But they were cool with collateral damage.

Posted by: enough Bullshit at September 04, 2024 08:25 PM (2NXcZ)

220 The beauty of this invitation to murder is such an arrangement would be impossible to prove. That's why I don't believe the feds made sure Crooks was killed. For it to happen, someone would need to give the order. No one would give such an order. Too risky.

But yes, they want Trump dead. The only reason he isn't is a random turn of the head at the critical moment.
Posted by: troyriser at September 04, 2024 07:24 PM (Vvljl)

Invitation? Strategic planning and a turn of the head. If the cop hadn't shot him the bastard would have kept going.

Posted by: enough Bullshit at September 04, 2024 08:27 PM (2NXcZ)

221 214 The Epstein client list is a big reason why they will move heaven and earth to keep DJT out of office.
Maybe the only reason...
Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 04, 2024 07:39 PM (MeG8a)

No, the communist takeover is more important that Epstein. They only needed the billionaires on board until they could Romanov them,

Posted by: enough Bullshit at September 04, 2024 08:29 PM (2NXcZ)

222 And it was the only Trump rally carried live on TV, almost like they knew THIS one might just be newsworthy.

Posted by: Advo at September 04, 2024 10:59 PM (jO4mz)

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