Is RFKJr. the Key to Attracting Suburban "Health Moms"?

The realignment of left and right has broken a lot of the political ice that kept people frozen into positions they've held so long they've forgotten why they adopted them in the first place.

One area where the left and right are more aligned than before is on matters of health. There are a lot of right-leaning gym bros who have looked into what they might have previously rejected as "silly health worryism" from the left, and found those positions have some merit.

For example: Hollywood has long been a bastion of "left-wing anti-vax nuttery." Now many on the right have adopted vax-skeptical positions.

Women have tended to be much more health-conscious than men and have been more willing to look at new thinking on the issues. Men, especially conservative-leaning men, tend to dismiss all "new thinking" as faddish and Obviously Wrong.

You know, I thought the same thing about the Atkins diet. Faddish and obviously wrong! But Atkins' book explained that this wasn't faddish and new -- and that Akshually, the old thinking had been, for one hundred years of medicine, that carbohydrate causes weight gain, not fat.

It was only in the late 70s and then more seriously in the 80s that the "old thinking," that carbohydrate causes weight gain and dietary fat is relatively benign, got displaced in favor of the theory that dietary fat was the enemy and we should replace fat with lots and lots of carbs.

And that "new thinking" was pushed by... the federal government, which, of course, always gets everything right.

Anyway, I think that these simple rules-of-thumb about whether a theory is "new" or "time-tested" is simplistic -- new, as of when? Is "eating naturally" a "new," "Hippie" idea? Weren't people doing that for 10,000 years?

RFKJr.'s endorsement of Trump, and pushing of health as a major issue -- why are chronic diseases worse than ever? Why are children, especially, sick with chronic illnesses at great rates than at any other point in history? -- might drag some of these "Health moms" to the Trump side.

Maybe.

Out: Soccer Moms and Security Moms. In: Health Moms.

Is RFK Jr. the secret to suburban women?

Everyone says that Donald Trump needs to recruit suburban women voters. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. may be his secret weapon. We used to hear about soccer moms, but RFK, Jr. may be able to mobilize a new group, the Health Moms.
Several years ago, I was eating lunch at one of the concourse "sidewalk cafes" in the Houston airport when I noticed that a guy sitting a few tables away was attracting a steady stream of attractive, middle-aged, soccer-mom types stopping by for autographs. I had no idea who he was, but I asked my waiter who said he was a vaccine activist. Apparently he was a rock star among yoga pants wearing moms who worried about vaccine safety and the like. (This was pre-Covid).
In that crowd, RFK, Jr. is a much, much bigger rock star. And the suburban Health Moms who don't trust the establishment on health issues are numerous and don't just fall on the right.
In fact, the crunchy, health-conscious mom shopping local and organic, avoiding high-fructose corn syrup and canola oil, and suspicious of the prescriptions and proscriptions of the medical establishment, has generally been found on the left, though that has changed in recent years to a degree. Popular Instagram accounts like House in Habit, with over 1.2 million followers, talk about this stuff all the time to huge audiences.

A lot of gym bros have adopted this as Bro Science.

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Government nutrition guidelines have as much to do with what foodstuffs the government wants people to buy as what is good for them. (As even NPR has reported, concerns about eggs and cholesterol were made popular by President Lyndon Baines Johnson, trying to hold down food prices in a time of inflation. Johnson told the Surgeon General to issue an alert about cholesterol in eggs, so people would buy fewer and the price would fall.)
The "food pyramid" is a joke, the FDA does a poor job of policing foods and additives, and Americans are way too fat, and it's not just because we aren't exercising enough.
People care about their health, but people -- especially many mothers, I suspect -- care even more about their children's health.
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What matters for the election is that RFK, Jr. is talking about that stuff -- under the rubric of "Make America Healthy Again" -- and the Health Moms are listening, and now he's endorsed Trump. This election is likely to be close. And close elections are decided at the margins.

Glenn Reynolds adds:

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Kamala Harris says she is very interested in telling people to eat less red meat-- a health prescription right out of 1970s junk "science."

But I'm sure she'll change that position soon enough.

Vote Red (Meat) 🥩🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/UEiiREFmoG
— Gabrielle Cuccia (@its_gabbygabs) August 13, 2024

I guess this is a good place to ask: How are yo' GAINZZZ?

I haven't had GAINZZZ all summer. Or spring. Allergies were hard this year, and also, I was lazy. I keep posting GAINZZZ threads because my lack of GAINZZZ should not be a reason you can't talk about your GAINZZZ.

Starting this week, I'm recommitting to GAINZZZ. I'll call a guy from Taskrabbit and see if he can star working out for me. If that falls through, I guess I'll just have to resign myself to, starting today, hardcore keto and carnivore mode -- and back to the egg-heavy diet -- and working out myself.

Morning workout.. 😅 pic.twitter.com/xPBGBEpkbZ
— Buitengebieden (@buitengebieden) August 28, 2024

He pulling this off at 70 YEARS OLD omg 😯 (via @Scott_Burnhard) pic.twitter.com/QJtEUzRo9H
— Overtime (@overtime) July 18, 2021

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1 Could be.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 30, 2024 02:01 PM (IUd0M)

2 Frankly, I'm surprised that Kommula is so averse to other people eating meat.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 30, 2024 02:01 PM (guGkK)

3 last

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:01 PM (GBKbO)

4 According the Pixy's Law of Headlines, though, the answer is no.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 30, 2024 02:01 PM (IUd0M)

5 A lot of gym bros have adopted this as Bro Science.

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There's more than eating eggs all the time?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:02 PM (GBKbO)

6 Also, I find it amazing that so many LIVs passively accept the idea that the federal government should be telling us what to eat.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 30, 2024 02:02 PM (guGkK)

7 Got booted out of work an hour early. Thankfully I had some PTO to use. And RFK Jr. as Secretary of Health sounds rather intriguing.

Posted by: NR Pax at August 30, 2024 02:02 PM (1YMhz)

8 Big bewb soccer Moms >> skinny vegan health Moms

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at August 30, 2024 02:03 PM (ufFY8)

9 Suburban "Health Moms"
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The fat ones?

Posted by: wth at August 30, 2024 02:03 PM (v0R5T)

10 9 Suburban "Health Moms"
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The fat ones?
Posted by: wth at August 30, 2024 02:03 PM (v0R5T)

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Fat or thicc?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:04 PM (GBKbO)

11 The new Bidenomic diet we were forced to adopt has us both at the thinnest we've been in the last 30 years

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at August 30, 2024 02:04 PM (dzZCL)

12 We're having a realignment? Did I get here in time for it?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 30, 2024 02:04 PM (guGkK)

13 In fact, the crunchy, health-conscious mom shopping local and organic, avoiding high-fructose corn syrup and canola oil, and suspicious of the prescriptions and proscriptions of the medical establishment, has generally been found on the left, though that has changed in recent years to a degree.

This actually surprises me. I always figured the crunchy moms were still big on shit like ADHD meds, anti-anxiety meds, and the like.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:05 PM (PTmgy)

14 "carbohydrate causes weight gain, not fat."

A major part of the problem is the terminology. "Fat" = "fatty acids" = health, but "fat" is also an adjective for excess adipose tissue which results from storage of excess carbohydrates.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 30, 2024 02:05 PM (KAi1n)

15 Will Trump's promise of free IVF bring in the Health Moms?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 30, 2024 02:05 PM (63Dwl)

16 Has Wuhan Flu caught a case of Hillary again?

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 30, 2024 02:05 PM (KfXOG)

17 I am one woman who absolutely does not get the Kennedy love. I find them to be loathsome, entitled pricks. And the Kennedy men are worse!

Posted by: huerfano at August 30, 2024 02:05 PM (VGOMa)

18 You know, I thought the same thing about the Atkins diet. Faddish and obviously wrong! But Atkins' book explained that this wasn't faddish and new -- and that Akshually, the old thinking had been, for one hundred years of medicine, that carbohydrate causes weight gain, not fat.

I was never much of a health bro but isn't this standard knowledge? Its mostly calories in minus calories out = weight gain BUT carbs fill you less then protein, have fewer nutrients then sources of protein, and are basically just pure calories...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2024 02:06 PM (oZhjI)

19 No gainzz here but also no major slides backward.

And I'm still alive which means there's still hope.

Posted by: Just Lily at August 30, 2024 02:06 PM (iBpLn)

20 "Three-inch shrimp" Asian guy about to sing.

Smoke N Scan, lol

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 30, 2024 02:06 PM (ufFY8)

21 I try to limit red meat consumption to once per meal.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 30, 2024 02:06 PM (lTGtQ)

22 Wife is the one who got us to try the carnivore diet.

She recently sent me a graphic showing all of the vaccines we receive by the time we're 18.

She's definitely getting more health conscious and leery of what we're being fed (literally and figuratively).

A fan of Trump, she's going to be stoked by what RFKJ is bringing to the table here. I cannot imagine she's alone.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 30, 2024 02:06 PM (KbCG3)

23 The healthiest I've ever been my dinners were basically a pound of meat with a side of veggies (no carbs) and a lot of exercise both strength and cardio

Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2024 02:07 PM (oZhjI)

24 Someone should ask Kamala about eating pink meat. See if she's ok with that.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 30, 2024 02:07 PM (Q4IgG)

25 Out: Soccer Moms and Security Moms. In: Health Moms. Is RFK Jr. the secret to suburban women?
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I'm pre-herty sure it's my ma-hassive pe-hecs!
-RFKjr

(I denounce myself)

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 30, 2024 02:07 PM (fs1hN)

26 how do I change the font in here

Posted by: Don Black at August 30, 2024 02:07 PM (/7KEl)

27 23 The healthiest I've ever been my dinners were basically a pound of meat with a side of veggies (no carbs) and a lot of exercise both strength and cardio
Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2024 02:07 PM (oZhjI)

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What vegetables have no carbs?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:08 PM (GBKbO)

28 Akshually, the old thinking had been, for one hundred years of medicine, that carbohydrate causes weight gain, not fat.
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I remember reading a PG Wodehouse book written in the 1920s and he described a woman who was slightly plump as inclined too much towards starchy foods, or words to that effect.

Posted by: bluebell at August 30, 2024 02:08 PM (bS+DD)

29 Johnson, trying to hold down food prices in a time of inflation. Johnson told the Surgeon General to issue an alert about cholesterol in eggs, so people would buy fewer and the price would fall.

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So, just like every other piece of government advice.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 30, 2024 02:08 PM (lTGtQ)

30 I think the insight that it "permits" people to support Trump is spot-on.
We've had 8+ years of pure Trump hate 24/7 on the cable networks.
There's a massive, powerful social enforcement mechanism to keep women in the herd of Democrat 4Ever.
Support of RFK Jr (and Trump) allows them to question all the disgusting anti-American, anti-freedom positions of the Democrats openly.

Kamala's campaign is a drug advertisement for anal warts with a Top Ten 80's hit playing in the background and people are starting to ask, "why is that band selling anal wart cream? Why is she selling us anal wart cream?"

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 30, 2024 02:08 PM (k7oKo)

31 Yes, the anti-pharma anti-vaccination hippie health food "Prevention" and healing with crystals and incense and some good windowpane was always pretty much a left wing thing.

There is some overlap, because the vaccination schedule was expanded, and some shots are multi-medicine package deals e.g. DPT, pertussis, etc. So baby gets loaded up with about 25 different immunizations now, when it used to be 3 or 4.

It (was) possible to "hide" children in a society that largely has herd immunity to a given disease, and thus avoid possible complications to vaccines or vaccine side effects.

The enthusiasm to sign up for an emergency use only, experimental vaccine was something to behold. One thing that struck me, anyone expressing even the slightest reservation online was descended upon like a pack of crows. On one discussion forum, I merely pointed out it was experimental and boy, gee wouldn't it be nice if it works and doesn't cause any problems.

RHEEEE! The first was a denial that it was even experimental i.e. brand new. Oh no, "it's just like the flu shot we take every year".

How would they get that idea?

Posted by: Common Tater at August 30, 2024 02:09 PM (SRAJ/)

32 How are yo' GAINZZZ?

Sadly, I have put on many (but not all) of the pounds I had previously lost due to the seductive allure of carbs. I'm trying to get back on the straight and narrow but it's been pointed out that sugar addiction follows the same neurological pathways as drug addiction and it's way more difficult to fully expunge carbs from your life.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 30, 2024 02:09 PM (IUd0M)

33
I do notice Bobby Jr. getting a lot more press exposure in the last couple weeks.

Posted by: Auspex at August 30, 2024 02:10 PM (j4U/Z)

34 Know what would be funny? If Harris says during the debate that "those questions have already been answered" and then Trump literally pulls out the Dana Bash transcript and scrolls through it on the stage before saying, "Nope, not in here."
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Better response:
(Norm MacDonald voice) "Tell the folks at home what you said, then."

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 30, 2024 02:10 PM (k7oKo)

35 Pregant women are told to steer clear of lots of things, and this might carry over after the baby's born.

For example, the Boar's Head listeria outbreak shouldn't affect pregnant women because they're told not to eat cold cuts. (Listeria might cross the plancental barrier and lead to miscarriage.) But they're probably not going to buy BH products now for their families either.

Posted by: pookysgirl, theorizing at August 30, 2024 02:10 PM (pRBTc)

36 I am one woman who absolutely does not get the Kennedy love. I find them to be loathsome, entitled pricks. And the Kennedy men are worse!
Posted by: huerfano at August 30, 2024 02:05 PM (VGOMa)

My nine-iron would like a word with you.

Posted by: Michael Skakel at August 30, 2024 02:10 PM (guGkK)

37 much better

Posted by: Don Black at August 30, 2024 02:10 PM (/7KEl)

38 I don’t think the women will shift to Trump. Leftist ladies love them some abortion. RFK isn’t going to change that.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:10 PM (cnVbw)

39 For my part, I thought it was curious that while I expressed my hope that the vaccine worked - there was most certainly not a reciprocal fare thee well.

Oh no. Anyone declining the clot shot for any reason was "I hope you die" or "why do you want to kill grandma" and all that rot. America lost its way a long, long time ago. Recent events just exposed it.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 30, 2024 02:11 PM (SRAJ/)

40 Starting this week, I'm recommitting to GAINZZZ. I'll call a guy from Taskrabbit and see if he can star working out for me. If that falls through, I guess I'll just have to resign myself to, starting today, hardcore keto and carnivore mode -- and back to the egg-heavy diet -- and working out myself.

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I'm so addicted to my workout that I had to stop 10 minutes early yesterday, it weighed on me all day, and I worked out an extra 10 minutes this morning. I also get my 14,000 steps a day, usually most of it happening after dinner.

Also, I keep to my eggs for breakfast, baked chicken, broccoli, and tuna/nuts for lunch, and then whatever Dolley makes for dinner.

I eat so fucking much, but the weight gain is so slow. I don't look like I'm getting fatter, but my shoulders...bit of swol going on.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:11 PM (GBKbO)

41 Sadly, I have put on many (but not all) of the pounds I had previously lost due to the seductive allure of carbs. I'm trying to get back on the straight and narrow but it's been pointed out that sugar addiction follows the same neurological pathways as drug addiction and it's way more difficult to fully expunge carbs from your life.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 30, 2024 02:09 PM (IUd0M)

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Same. I was doing so well and now I'm fatter than ever.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:11 PM (6VFHC)

42 24 Someone should ask Kamala about eating pink meat. See if she's ok with that.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 30, 2024 02:07 PM (Q4IgG)

She seems fine with brown meat.

Posted by: Auspex at August 30, 2024 02:11 PM (j4U/Z)

43 Kamala Harris says she is very interested in telling people to eat less red meat-- a health prescription right out of 1970s junk "science."

But I'm sure she'll change that position soon enough.

Perhaps we should also ensure we get 6 to 11 servings of carbs a day too.

It bears repeating: "Everything the feds touch, they f*ck up."

Posted by: Tonypete at August 30, 2024 02:12 PM (WXNFJ)

44 A major part of the problem is the terminology.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 30, 2024 02:05 PM (KAi1n)

A major part of the problem is that the science of diet is, like pretty much every other science, corrupted. The people doing the research find the results... at least in the executive summary... that the people paying them want them to find. And the people paying them are largely Big Ag.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 30, 2024 02:12 PM (IUd0M)

45
I try to include MAHA with MAGA as often as possible. Yeah, I'm a health nut that agrees with a lot of RFK Jr on nutrition and the importance of replenishing farmland soil for better, more disease resistant crops, and higher yields, but more importantly better nutrition.

I have a theory that less nutritious food makes humans crave more. I'm a crackpot.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 30, 2024 02:12 PM (RKVpM)

46 I still think anybody who would vote for RFK Jr will either vote for Trump or stay home, so him being on Trump's side is good (pulls more of the latter into the former)...

Ace, on the Vince Vaughan sidebar... Don't forget Old School. Great movie and his greatest role. Swingers was a close #2 IMHO...

Posted by: bearski at August 30, 2024 02:12 PM (Bhsk7)

47 I know black dudes tend to look younger than they are, but I'm not buying that dude is 70.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:12 PM (Zz0t1)

48 She seems fine with brown meat.
Posted by: Auspex at August 30, 2024 02:11 PM (j4U/Z)

Point of Order: I believe "brown" should be capitalized.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 30, 2024 02:13 PM (guGkK)

49 >>>I remember reading a PG Wodehouse book written in the 1920s and he described a woman who was slightly plump as inclined too much towards starchy foods, or words to that effect.

exactly.

Posted by: ace at August 30, 2024 02:13 PM (KRtlO)

50 This actually surprises me. I always figured the crunchy moms were still big on shit like ADHD meds, anti-anxiety meds, and the like.
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:05 PM (PTmgy)

Meds have ruined everything for everyone in WAY too many cases.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:13 PM (Zz0t1)

51 That 70 year old dude is injecting 250mg of Testosterone Enanthate or Cypionate every week, to go along with eating good and saying his prayers every night.

Just like The Hulkster.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 30, 2024 02:14 PM (XV/Pl)

52 What vegetables have no carbs?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Sprouts, asparagus, broccoli, zukes, bell peppers, spinach, lettuce, celery, kale. . . .

Posted by: Tonypete at August 30, 2024 02:14 PM (WXNFJ)

53 49 >>>I remember reading a PG Wodehouse book written in the 1920s and he described a woman who was slightly plump as inclined too much towards starchy foods, or words to that effect.

exactly.
Posted by: ace at August 30, 2024 02:13 PM (KRtlO)

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There's a small moment in Joe Dante's Matinee. It was made in the early 90s, but set in 1963.

The scene is meant as satirical of old school dieting habits, so it's a teacher pulling down a screen that shows the ideal diet: almost all fatty meats with talk about how it's going to keep you thin. This, of course, is in a scene with only thin kids while the reality of the time was the same.

So, it's intended as a satirical jab at outdated science, but the science it's implicitly supported is outdated now. It's a cycle.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:14 PM (GBKbO)

54 one interesting twist is that the country which was the most advanced in nutrition science was Germany, and they had the whole carbohydrate-causes-weight-gain thing figured out and well-proven.

But, then there was some Unpleasantness that happened in the 30s and 40s, and for some reason, most of the world turned its back on German science.

Posted by: ace at August 30, 2024 02:14 PM (KRtlO)

55 My mom is definitely a "health mom," and although I wouldn't call her anti-Trump (she doesn't like him as a person at all, but believes the Democrats' policies are much worse), the RFK endorsement has made her much more likely to vote for him. She really likes what he's had to say about Covid and vaccines in general, and thought he was the best of the candidates running.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 30, 2024 02:15 PM (lHPJf)

56 I remember reading a PG Wodehouse book written in the 1920s and he described a woman who was slightly plump as inclined too much towards starchy foods, or words to that effect.

Posted by: bluebell

I recall seeing an interview years ago with the actor who played Tevia in the movie version of Fiddler on the Roof. He gained a massive amount of weight to play the part, and did so with a potato and bread diet.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 30, 2024 02:15 PM (lTGtQ)

57 52 What vegetables have no carbs?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Sprouts, asparagus, broccoli, zukes, bell peppers, spinach, lettuce, celery, kale. . . .
Posted by: Tonypete at August 30, 2024 02:14 PM (WXNFJ)

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Those all have carbs. Low carbs, but they have carbs.as

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:15 PM (GBKbO)

58 Of course Kamala's entire career is based on eating meat, but now she wants everyone else to stop

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 30, 2024 02:15 PM (ByB3C)

59 Kamala raised by Hindu Mom worked at McDonald's? Don't seem right, unless she made only the Filet-O-Fish orders.

Posted by: Supersize Me! at August 30, 2024 02:15 PM (CV8a5)

60
I have a theory that less nutritious food makes humans crave more. I'm a crackpot.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 30, 2024 02:12 PM (RKVpM)

What does replenishing soil mean? How do you do this? I've never heard of this. The only thing I'm aware of is changing the ph for cane berries.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 30, 2024 02:16 PM (LJ9Iy)

61 54 But, then there was some Unpleasantness that happened in the 30s and 40s, and for some reason, most of the world turned its back on German science.
Posted by: ace at August 30, 2024 02:14 PM (KRtlO)

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So, being keto is like being a Nazi, huh?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:16 PM (GBKbO)

62 LOL, new poll.
Outward Intelligence (who?), Harris +5.
RFJ Jr at 4%.

No internals published.

Oh, and "turn Texas Blue" Allred--who never says in any of his ads he's a Democrat, losing to Cruz by 10.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 30, 2024 02:16 PM (k7oKo)

63 >>.So, being keto is like being a Nazi, huh?

that's certainly the prevailing theory at The Guardian.

Posted by: ace at August 30, 2024 02:17 PM (KRtlO)

64 I have no GAINZZZZ and have no intention of GAIINNNNZZZZZ anytime soon.

I'm reasonably lazy, but work when I have to.

Just in that mode right now. I'm just getting really tired.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:17 PM (Zz0t1)

65 What does replenishing soil mean? How do you do this? I've never heard of this. The only thing I'm aware of is changing the ph for cane berries.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 30, 2024 02:16 PM (LJ9Iy)

Rotate crops.. Soil additives

Posted by: It's me donna at August 30, 2024 02:17 PM (IyPmt)

66 Listen, y’all. I am not going to tell you what to do, I am not your mother. I will, with love, tell you that in order to sustain anything it has to be…wait for it…sustainable. Going hardcore keto will cause you to lose weight. Because you are cutting your calories. You will start to have cravings for carbs, especially if you are working out hard. Your body tells you what it needs, many of us fail to listen.

I would offer to you a slightly different approach, assuming no health issues, etc. Stop thinking about this as a diet to get to goal x. That contemplates short term deprivation. Your body needs protein, fat, and carbs. The kind of carbs you eat matters. Of course highly processed, highly sugared carbs will cause weight gain - they are calorie dense. Eating whole grains, proper amounts of proteins, lots of fruits and vegetables is both sustainable and beneficial. There are all kinds of foods that you can eat in large quantities because they aren’t calorie dense to avoid hunger pangs. Do you know how many green beans equal 1 donut? A whole bunch of green beans.

Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 02:17 PM (p4NUW)

67 Sprouts, asparagus, broccoli, zukes, bell peppers, spinach, lettuce, celery, kale. . . .
Posted by: Tonypete at August 30, 2024 02:14 PM (WXNFJ)

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Those all have carbs. Low carbs, but they have carbs.as
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:15 PM (GBKbO)

I've seen some people distinguish between fast carbs (bad, I think) and slow carbs (okay). Maybe those are slow carbs. I don't know.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 30, 2024 02:18 PM (lHPJf)

68 Jesus. I always thought RFK Jr. was a junkie that would end up like Syd Barrett.

Whatever. His voice aggravates me and sometimes I want to punch him in the skull.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 30, 2024 02:18 PM (XGL1u)

69 Taters supply the most calories per acre, which was important to me and my family-until the Blight.

Posted by: Seamus O'Toole County Cork at August 30, 2024 02:18 PM (CV8a5)

70 Ya don't have to cut carbs, but at the end of the day ya do gotta cut calories.

Anybody who is serious about their intake and sticks with it will naturally gravitate away from carbs and start paying attention to protein and fats. I think the zero-carb crowd is just another subset of the masochist crowd.

Nobody wants to diet because, they are told the only way to lose weight is to run 3 miles a day and eat sawdust toast with a brussel sprout smoothie. There's more bullshit disinformation on how to lose weight than anything else.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 30, 2024 02:18 PM (SRAJ/)

71 Outward Intelligence (who?), Harris +5.
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This will be the only way the words Outward Intelligence and Harris could plausibly be included in the same line.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 30, 2024 02:18 PM (fs1hN)

72 67 I've seen some people distinguish between fast carbs (bad, I think) and slow carbs (okay). Maybe those are slow carbs. I don't know.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 30, 2024 02:18 PM (lHPJf)

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The 1 carb you get from a serving of asparagus isn't going to trigger the insulin response, or anything.

Still, there are carbs there.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:18 PM (GBKbO)

73
The new pillows are nice

[repete

the new pillows are nice.

Posted by: Don Black at August 30, 2024 02:18 PM (/7KEl)

74 Speaking of Atkins, not to steal the thunder of the Gainz thread, I've been more or less bullied onto the South Beach diet by my cardiologist. Low carbs, no sugar.

It works.

Plus I can eat all the bacon and eggs I want, so that's nice. I'm really fucking tired of cauliflower though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at August 30, 2024 02:18 PM (xcxpd)

75 Oh, and "turn Texas Blue" Allred--who never says in any of his ads he's a Democrat, losing to Cruz by 10.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 30, 2024 02:16 PM (k7oKo)

Allread is running ads in Texas saying that he's tough on the border and has a couple of Texas cops on his side while Cruz does nothing.

Cruz has an ad showing where Allred saying if they want to build their racist wall, his generation is the one that will tear it down.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:18 PM (Zz0t1)

76 Had a nice elderly black lady in the doctor's office tell me that carbs are the devil, that's why they taste so good.

I'm on the same low carb diet myself. I do have a flax and whole wheat pita bread with dinner but I've lost all super processed carbs.

I also added some fermented stuff to my diet and oddly enough, my stomach agrees with it. Seems to help any issues I had with GERD.

I added Kefir, sour kraut and fermented beet juice, thought the latter will make you think you're bleeding to death inside after your morning constitutional.

Oh and I added Apple Cider Vinger in the tablet form to help as well. Save that tooth enamel.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2024 02:18 PM (Ud7de)

77 Got booted out of work an hour early. Thankfully I had some PTO to use. And RFK Jr. as Secretary of Health sounds rather intriguing.
Posted by: NR Pax at August 30, 2024

***
My boss just told us we can leave at 2 p.m. I hope it ain't raining when I do.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 30, 2024 02:19 PM (J2vNu)

78 Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:11 PM (6VFHC)

I'm still down 50 from my high but that means I'm up 50 from my low.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 30, 2024 02:19 PM (IUd0M)

79 So, being keto is like being a Nazi, huh?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:16 PM (GBKbO)

Anything that contradicts what the Uniparty currently advocates is like being a Nazi. This is known.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 30, 2024 02:19 PM (lHPJf)

80 I know a very liberal urban mom who to my surprise was very against the covid jab. She was scared of all the other chemicals besides the mRNA that were in it. Her husband took the shot- a couple of his relatives are doctors, and he suffered a stroke. I'm glad RFK is on board.

Posted by: Rex B at August 30, 2024 02:19 PM (vRoTw)

81 What vegetables have no carbs?

In this case I mean no side of potatoes, rice, noodles, etc.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2024 02:19 PM (oZhjI)

82 Nobody wants to diet because, they are told the only way to lose weight is to run 3 miles a day and eat sawdust toast with a brussel sprout smoothie.
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Everyone will lose weight with the Dems in power for another 4 years.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 30, 2024 02:20 PM (fs1hN)

83 74 Plus I can eat all the bacon and eggs I want, so that's nice. I'm really fucking tired of cauliflower though.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at August 30, 2024 02:18 PM (xcxpd)

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I'm still not tired of eggs. I'm eating 4-5 a day every morning.

Helped in no small part by heaps of hot sauce, but you with your Scandinavian palette wouldn't appreciate it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:20 PM (GBKbO)

84 Suburban Karen only cares about the health of her hoohaw and the current grape crops.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 30, 2024 02:20 PM (/U5Yz)

85 People say I'm nasty, but I replenish my soil on a daily basis.

Posted by: Shits In A Bucket at August 30, 2024 02:20 PM (CV8a5)

86 65 What does replenishing soil mean? How do you do this? I've never heard of this. The only thing I'm aware of is changing the ph for cane berries.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 30, 2024 02:16 PM (LJ9Iy)

Rotate crops.. Soil additives
Posted by: It's me donna at August 30, 2024 02:17 PM (IyPmt)

Jah, Donna's right. Usually it means using more nitrogen-fixing crops like beans in place of crops that deplete it, like corn.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at August 30, 2024 02:20 PM (xcxpd)

87 My GAINNZZ is that I just got back from a 23-day cruise/vacation and didn't gain ANY weight.

No idea how that happened, because I certainly ate lots of yummy food. And I didn't walk any of it off, because I was using my electric scooter to zip around everywhere (that thing has been real freedom for me!)

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas, AOS Ladies Brigade, Plucky Comic Relief at August 30, 2024 02:20 PM (SRRAx)

88 My legs, torso, arms, and shoulders are all showing the work I've put in over the last year and a half.

I've been doing classic compound movements at the gym 3x per week. Squats, RDLs, hack squats, bench, rows, lateral dumbbell raises, triceps, curls, deadlifts, back raises, etc.

I'm particularly proud of my squats, bench, and deadlift. Last week I did four sets of three at 350 for deadlift. Zero bounce, I'm setting it fully and gently on the ground. My squats are fully in control, solid form, past parallel. I comfortably did three sets of four at 245 on Monday. I did five sets of four at 185 for bench. Again, full control to chest, a pause, and punching out.

I'm in a strength cycle, so these are all with reps in reserve and not at maximum possible weight.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2024 02:21 PM (Odg76)

89 >>>I added Kefir, sour kraut and fermented beet juice, thought the latter will make you think you're bleeding to death inside after your morning constitutional.

If drinking fermented beet juice is the only way to lose weight, I think I'll just start identifying as body-positive.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 30, 2024 02:21 PM (lHPJf)

90 My GAINNZZ is that I just got back from a 23-day cruise/vacation and didn't gain ANY weight.

No idea how that happened, because I certainly ate lots of yummy food. And I didn't walk any of it off, because I was using my electric scooter to zip around everywhere (that thing has been real freedom for me!)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas, AOS Ladies Brigade, Plucky Comic Relief at August 30, 2024 02:20 PM (SRRAx)

You went on vacation for a MONTH?

Wow.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:21 PM (Zz0t1)

91 What does replenishing soil mean? How do you do this? I've never heard of this. The only thing I'm aware of is changing the ph for cane berries.

Posted by: CaliGirl

Farmers used to rotate crops, since certain plants remove elements from the soil and add others. Many farms have gone to monoculture since the feds set up subsidy formats, and are using chemicals to supplement the missing elements. I'm sure there is a better way to do this.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 30, 2024 02:22 PM (lTGtQ)

92 To confirm women are more health conscious than men....just look at the statistics of Health Insurance use. Women use health insurance nearly 20% more than men and exceed their deductibles at an even higher percentage than that.

That being said, when I hear about wage equity I consider the fact that women usually cost their employers more in the long run...not to mention if you compared women to men on extra hours worked, women fall short there as well.

Posted by: Orson at August 30, 2024 02:22 PM (dIske)

93 Didn't she work at McDonalds (or so she said)? There's more red meat in a bacon double cheeseburger than a rodeo.

Posted by: Lex at August 30, 2024 02:22 PM (fMN7A)

94

I went to the beach recently in Jersey and noticed so many kids were soft and blubbery.

I'm not exactly svelte, but damn, I don't remember many kids looking like that.

There was one or two kids who were fat, some just chubby but these kids were slobs.

Oh well

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at August 30, 2024 02:22 PM (et1vG)

95 65 What does replenishing soil mean? How do you do this? I've never heard of this. The only thing I'm aware of is changing the ph for cane berries.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 30, 2024 02:16 PM (LJ9Iy)

Rotate crops.. Soil additives
Posted by: It's me donna at August 30, 2024 02:17 PM (IyPmt)

What are soil additives? Like nitrogen fertilizers? All the farmers I know rotate crops. I am trying to figure out what RFK Jr is talking about because it doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 30, 2024 02:22 PM (LJ9Iy)

96 Rotate crops.. Soil additives
Posted by: It's me donna at August 30, 2024 02:17 PM (IyPmt)

Soil additives? What, like communists?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:22 PM (cnVbw)

97 77 My boss just told us we can leave at 2 p.m. I hope it ain't raining when I do.

As for me, I'm a govvie contractor. If no government people are in our office, out we go.

Posted by: NR Pax at August 30, 2024 02:23 PM (1YMhz)

98 If drinking fermented beet juice is the only way to lose weight, I think I'll just start identifying as body-positive.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 30, 2024 02:21 PM (lHPJf)

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LOL

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:23 PM (C6sS2)

99 33
I do notice Bobby Jr. getting a lot more press exposure in the last couple weeks.
Posted by: Auspex at August 30, 2024 02:10 PM (j4U/Z)

The press is getting their orders to make an example of what happens when you run away from the plantation.

Posted by: NR Pax at August 30, 2024 02:23 PM (1YMhz)

100 Farmers used to rotate crops, since certain plants remove elements from the soil and add others. Many farms have gone to monoculture since the feds set up subsidy formats, and are using chemicals to supplement the missing elements. I'm sure there is a better way to do this.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 30, 2024 02:22 PM

Okay, so he's talking about wheat and grains. I grow row crops and we rotate crops. I keep seeing replenish the soil and I don't know what that means.
And row crops don't get any subsidies.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 30, 2024 02:24 PM (LJ9Iy)

101 It's definitely there. I know someone that's your textbook hippy liberal that's warming up to the Right (and has said she's more aligned that way than she used to be) because of the authoritarian way Democrats have approached health and medicine.

But these same people also really care about abortion.

Posted by: Blago at August 30, 2024 02:24 PM (wMRY8)

102 89 >>>I added Kefir, sour kraut and fermented beet juice, thought the latter will make you think you're bleeding to death inside after your morning constitutional.

If drinking fermented beet juice is the only way to lose weight, I think I'll just start identifying as body-positive.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 30, 2024 02:21 PM (lHPJf)

It's actually not that bad if you like beets, which I do.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2024 02:24 PM (Ud7de)

103
What does replenishing soil mean? How do you do this? I've never heard of this. The only thing I'm aware of is changing the ph for cane berries.
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 30, 2024 02:16 PM (LJ9Iy)

Rotate crops.. Soil additives

Posted by: It's me donna at August 30, 2024 02:17 PM

Zinc replenishment is huge. Every crop cycle takes more and more out of the soil and just like humans, it's a defense mechanism against disease for plants too.

When Trump was in the hospital with covid they gave him zinc and ivermectin* which aids the body in absorbing zinc. A one two punch. He was out of the hospital in three days iirc.

* spelling, and it may not have been this one, there are four in this class

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 30, 2024 02:24 PM (RKVpM)

104 I am one woman who absolutely does not get the Kennedy love. I find them to be loathsome, entitled pricks. And the Kennedy men are worse!
Posted by: huerfano at August 30, 2024 02:05 PM (VGOMa)

You and me both. Put a bag over his head, and tell him NOT to speak. Then maybe...

Posted by: Lady Who Always Has a Burning Question at August 30, 2024 02:24 PM (JCLJi)

105 I've also upped my cardio routine. I was doing 3.5K on the rower in 14 minutes at max resistance. I've bumped that to 4K in 16 minutes.

I was doing 20 minutes on the stairs at level 6, three minutes at 5, two minutes on 4. Now I'm doing 24 minutes on 6, three on 5, two on 4.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2024 02:24 PM (Odg76)

106 96 Rotate crops.. Soil additives
Posted by: It's me donna at August 30, 2024 02:17 PM (IyPmt)

Soil additives? What, like communists?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:22 PM (cnVbw)
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Rotating crops is a big one. I bought about 10 acres from a farmer who planted corn 17 years in a row. He should have been doing alphalpha or something similar every other year. As a result of the 17 years, the soils nutrients were shit.

Posted by: Orson at August 30, 2024 02:25 PM (dIske)

107 My GAINNZZ is that I just got back from a 23-day cruise/vacation and didn't gain ANY weight.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth

Nice!! Me too but I think it had something to do with walking about 18K-20K steps a day. We walked all over the place and it felt surprisingly good. And slept like a dead man too.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 30, 2024 02:25 PM (WXNFJ)

108 All things in moderation. You follow that as your health advice, you will be in the right 99.99% of the time.

I think a lot of these health crises, especially in the younger generations, has little to do with food or dietary health, and most to do with a comically sedentary lifestyle dominated by video games and social media. Some of these kids never leave the fucking house.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 30, 2024 02:25 PM (iFTx/)

109 What’s that fermented tea the tree hungers drink? Bucha something? I tried that once and I wanted to punch my girlfriend for talking me into it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:26 PM (cnVbw)

110 Kambucha

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2024 02:26 PM (Ud7de)

111 One of the most fascinating things of Covid was how the leftist who demands organic, non-gmo, soy free, nut free, locally sourced vegan food couldn’t wait to be injected with an experimental vaccine made by Pfizer.

Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 30, 2024 02:26 PM (aTv2b)

112 I like Kennedy's voice. There's just something about it...

Posted by: Tom Waits at August 30, 2024 02:26 PM (PiwSw)

113 There's more than eating eggs all the time?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Sorry to say, cutting alcohol is very important.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 30, 2024 02:27 PM (KAi1n)

114 One of the most fascinating things of Covid was how the leftist who demands organic, non-gmo, soy free, nut free, locally sourced vegan food couldn’t wait to be injected with an experimental vaccine made by Pfizer.
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 30, 2024 02:26 PM (aTv2b)

Their body their choice, bigot.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:27 PM (Zz0t1)

115 Your body does not "need carbs". There are no essential carbohydrates. You will die without protein and fat, though.

There is a single organ in the human body that needs glucose, and that is the brain. It can get all it needs, by synthesizing from other foods.

Most people are "sugar burners". They get all their energy, all day every day, from glucose. Even tiny mitochondria, at the cellular level, can have a preference for glucose and the fat-burning pathways become atrophied from disuse.

The reason cutting back on carbs works is because it forces this process to occur faster, assuming calories are cut back enough. Calorie reduction is what does this, it forces the body into a metabolic workout, by re-learning how to upregulate fatty acids and turn it into energy. Every "diet" works this way.

No weight loss can occur unless and until all glucose stores are exhausted, in the liver, bloodstream, etc. Alcohol is burned preferentially over carbohydrate, which is why it in turn will nuke any diet very quickly.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 30, 2024 02:27 PM (SRAJ/)

116 108 I think a lot of these health crises, especially in the younger generations, has little to do with food or dietary health, and most to do with a comically sedentary lifestyle dominated by video games and social media. Some of these kids never leave the fucking house.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 30, 2024 02:25 PM (iFTx/)

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Junior ends up running around the neighborhood for 2-3 hours after school everyday.

So much better than when we were in the old place where he had no friends in the neighborhood and just sat inside all day.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:27 PM (GBKbO)

117 110 Kambucha
Posted by: AlaBAMA

Isn't that the juice of a large fungus?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 30, 2024 02:27 PM (/U5Yz)

118 That’s it Kambucha. The devils ball sweat.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:27 PM (cnVbw)

119 Kambucha
Posted by: AlaBAMA

Gesundheit!!

*in honor of our dear JT*

Posted by: Tonypete at August 30, 2024 02:27 PM (WXNFJ)

120 Hey, remember when Lefties tailed against “frankenfoods” ?

Now they are pushing lab-grown fake meat, oil-saturated oat “milk” and other creepy fake foods.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 30, 2024 02:28 PM (Hkcdp)

121 > What’s that fermented tea the tree hungers drink? Bucha something? I tried that once and I wanted to punch my girlfriend for talking me into it.

If you find someone who is really into it, they can guide you to tastier brands. On a friend's recommendation I tried one a while back. It tasted like a really nice apple cider.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2024 02:28 PM (Odg76)

122 118 That’s it Kambucha. The devils ball sweat.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:27 PM (cnVbw

It is nasty stuff. Like someone drained battery acid through a nasty gym sock.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2024 02:28 PM (Ud7de)

123 Willowed:
"I seem to remember Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait because they were sucking oil out from under Iraq territory."

And because our ambassador gave him a green light as a pretext to going to war.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 30, 2024 02:29 PM (KAi1n)

124 I don't think it will hurt to have RFK Jr along

Posted by: Skip at August 30, 2024 02:29 PM (Ep5Oo)

125 109 What’s that fermented tea the tree hungers drink? Bucha something? I tried that once and I wanted to punch my girlfriend for talking me into it.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:26 PM (cnVbw)

kombucha. It's not pleasant tasting.

Posted by: Moki at August 30, 2024 02:29 PM (wLjpr)

126 Diet is the key to weight loss. I have run 30 miles a week for months and gained weight eating processed food.

Posted by: Oglebay at August 30, 2024 02:29 PM (7fVdQ)

127 All things in moderation.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq.

Including moderation.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 30, 2024 02:29 PM (lTGtQ)

128 That’s it Kambucha. The devils ball sweat.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:27 PM (cnVbw)

Speaking of......Saw this commercial yesterday and it made me laugh.

https://youtu.be/7Zggju941Qs

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:29 PM (Zz0t1)

129 127 All things in moderation.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq.

Including moderation.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 30, 2024 02:29 PM (lTGtQ)

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What about murder?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (GBKbO)

130 Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2024 02:24 PM (Odg76)

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Dang bonhomme, you are crushing it.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (cE3o3)

131 Is Kale still a thing among the left? For a while it was everywhere. Even Obama was talking about the price of it in 2008.

Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (aTv2b)

132 Carbs have no nutrients. Carbs are purely a source of fuel.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (KAi1n)

133 I don’t think the women will shift to Trump. Leftist ladies love them some abortion. RFK isn’t going to change that.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:10 PM (cnVbw)

They're not trying to grab from a population motivated by abortion with this. There are other kinds of voters who care about other things.

Posted by: ... at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (uujoW)

134 Sorry to say, cutting alcohol is very important.

Posted by: SFGoth

Definitely. Alcohol is congealed calories in liquid form.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (lTGtQ)

135 Speaking of......Saw this commercial yesterday and it made me laugh.

https://youtu.be/7Zggju941Qs
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:29 PM (Zz0t1)

SNORT!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (Ud7de)

136 It's actually not that bad if you like beets, which I do.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2024 02:24 PM (Ud7de)

If, on the other hand, the very smell of beets makes you retch....

Posted by: Dr. T at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (lHPJf)

137 87 My GAINNZZ is that I just got back from a 23-day cruise/vacation and didn't gain ANY weight.

No idea how that happened, because I certainly ate lots of yummy food. And I didn't walk any of it off, because I was using my electric scooter to zip around everywhere (that thing has been real freedom for me!)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas, AOS Ladies Brigade, Plucky Comic Relief at August 30,

Okay, how? And good for you!

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (LJ9Iy)

138 My favorite is there’s a company called Soylent that sells soy drinks.

Like, lol, it’s totally not people!

Posted by: Lizzy at August 30, 2024 02:31 PM (Hkcdp)

139 I actually don't mind kombucha.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:31 PM (cE3o3)

140 It tasted like a really nice apple cider.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2024 02:28 PM (Odg76)

The one I had tasted like the water in the p trap of a proctologist’s office.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:31 PM (cnVbw)

141 I subscribe to a simplistic theory. Don’t eat more calories than you burn and you will lose weight. But it’s hard to write a 300 page book about that and make millions as a diet guru.

Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 30, 2024 02:31 PM (aTv2b)

142 139 I actually don't mind kombucha.
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:31 PM (cE3o3)

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Dolley started buying that shit recently.

Smells like ass.

No thank you.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:31 PM (GBKbO)

143 You know who else was a health nut: HITLER

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 30, 2024 02:31 PM (yxEX9)

144 139 I actually don't mind kombucha.
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:31 PM (cE3o3

You must have no taste buds.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2024 02:31 PM (Ud7de)

145 @94

>>I went to the beach recently in Jersey and noticed so many kids were soft and blubbery.

The only exercise most kids get now is from exercising their thumbs and they eat sh*t processed foods.

When I was a kid, I lived on my bicycle.

I didn't get chunky till I was in my forties, which is when most people started to get chunky, later in life, not when you are in your prime.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 30, 2024 02:32 PM (XV/Pl)

146 "side of veggies (no carbs)"

Are there any veggies that are no-carb? I don't think so. Avocado (which is a fruit) is mostly fat, but it still has a little carb. Olives (also a fruit) may have no carb.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 30, 2024 02:32 PM (KAi1n)

147 > The reason cutting back on carbs works is because it forces this process to occur faster, assuming calories are cut back enough.

In my experience, carbs trigger hunger. If I stick to a bit more than 1/3 protein, a bit more than 1/3 fat, and less than 1/3 carbs, I don't have hunger spikes and maintaining a calorie deficit is easy peasy.

If I have a big carby meal, suddenly I have big cravings and it's very hard to maintain a calorie deficit.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2024 02:32 PM (Odg76)

148 I love the kitties on the treadmill!

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 30, 2024 02:32 PM (eFOjr)

149 Definitely. Alcohol is congealed calories in liquid form.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (lTGtQ)

That’s why alcohol burns and you can make bombs out of sugar.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:32 PM (cnVbw)

150 Carbs have no nutrients. Carbs are purely a source of fuel.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (KAi1n)

Whole grains are full of vitamins and minerals. Unless you're saying you can just get those separately but I don't think that's quality science. More a technicality.

Posted by: ... at August 30, 2024 02:32 PM (uujoW)

151 I'm still not tired of eggs. I'm eating 4-5 a day every morning.

Helped in no small part by heaps of hot sauce, but you with your Scandinavian palette wouldn't appreciate it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024

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I used to pop some red or green chiles into my eggs, Santa Fe style. Actually it was an excuse to have a square of dark chocolate afterward to cool the burning, and now I'm not doing any chocolate.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 30, 2024 02:33 PM (J2vNu)

152 74 Speaking of Atkins, not to steal the thunder of the Gainz thread, I've been more or less bullied onto the South Beach diet by my cardiologist. Low carbs, no sugar.

It works.

Plus I can eat all the bacon and eggs I want, so that's nice. I'm really fucking tired of cauliflower though.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at August 30, 2024 02:18 PM (xcxpd)

Zucchini would be a nice low carb, blank-taste (aka, why you're having cauliflower) and cheap replacement...

Posted by: Nova Local at August 30, 2024 02:33 PM (exHjb)

153 Speaking of......Saw this commercial yesterday and it made me laugh.

https://youtu.be/7Zggju941Qs
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:29 PM (Zz0t1)

SNORT!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (Ud7de)
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That can't be real, can it??

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 30, 2024 02:33 PM (iFTx/)

154 114 One of the most fascinating things of Covid was how the leftist who demands organic, non-gmo, soy free, nut free, locally sourced vegan food couldn’t wait to be injected with an experimental vaccine made by Pfizer.
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 30, 2024 02:26 PM (aTv2b)
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I don't know if you've seen the latest trend...but there are a whole slew of recent articles trying to make the point that Vegans were less susceptible to Covid. I'm pretty sure they are making it up...because I distinctly remember reports stating that proteins acquired from a red meat diet was a deterrent. I bet if you research all the Vegan articles at present their origination and funding come from....(drum roll) vegans and those that want us to eat bugs.

Posted by: Orson at August 30, 2024 02:33 PM (dIske)

155 134 Sorry to say, cutting alcohol is very important.

Posted by: SFGoth

Definitely. Alcohol is congealed calories in liquid form.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (lTGtQ)

Why aren't I 50 pounds heavier?, you ask!

Posted by: Hillary *hic* Clinton at August 30, 2024 02:33 PM (PiwSw)

156 Fasting is also underrated, it would seem. Some friend sent me info on fasting in Russia ... they do longer fasts for healing purposes, mostly. I haven't made my self fast for more than 36 hours, and even that is too infrequent.

But I'm back to within two pounds of the "normal weight" range (210 for 6'5"). But I'd like to get to 195 or so.

My parents and grandparents were all German heritage, but they were meat and potato types, and eggs and whole raw milk from their own cows (for the grandparents at least). More emphasis on "raw milk will cure you" lately ... idk.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 30, 2024 02:33 PM (Cus5s)

157 I actually don't mind kombucha.
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:31 PM (cE3o3

I'm frankly tired of the bitch.

Posted by: ... at August 30, 2024 02:33 PM (uujoW)

158 I was very fit until I started treatment for breast cancer at age 46.

Ten years later, I'm fat. But I'm alive.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 30, 2024 02:34 PM (eFOjr)

159
Early in covid I did a lot of research on zinc and found a map of representative zinc levels in soil around the planet. The USA was so-so while Africa was the highest level. It didn't examine levels in so called 'factory farms' in this country who could be the worst offenders.

Wanna look up which country had the least problems with covid?

But the pharma people wanna pharma and why the hell would they want healthier, more disease resistant people (or crops) in this or any other country? MAGA/MAHA.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 30, 2024 02:34 PM (RKVpM)

160 That can't be real, can it??
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 30, 2024 02:33 PM (iFTx

Hot balls? Yeah. It's real.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2024 02:34 PM (Ud7de)

161 I downloaded a book on Amazon that was recommended to me: The Lies I taught in Medical School, by Dr. Robert lufkin.

He prefaces the book with his history as a medical school student and then a Professor teaching at UCLA Med. School and his practice. Basically doctors know shit about proper treatment for metabolic diseases without drugs. Lufkin explains that metabolic dysfunction is the common underlying cause of most chronic diseases that has been overlooked for decades, providing the tools needed to prevent and reverse them in ourselves. He draws on expansive, peer-reviewed evidence, proving that standard medical recommendations are killing us. He has reversed 4 metabolic diseases that he had using what his book recommends. Well researched and laid out for the general public. He scorches not only general medicine, but the FDA, CDC, and pharmaceutical companies among others. Easy reading and highly recommend.

Posted by: Cheri at August 30, 2024 02:34 PM (oiNtH)

162 151 I used to pop some red or green chiles into my eggs, Santa Fe style. Actually it was an excuse to have a square of dark chocolate afterward to cool the burning, and now I'm not doing any chocolate.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 30, 2024 02:33 PM (J2vNu)

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*gets hottest thing on menu*
Dolley: "You are not enjoying that."
TJM: "I am. Genuinely." Genuinely.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:34 PM (GBKbO)

163 I think the fat kid thing is also because both parents tend to work now, and its a badge of honor for women to not cook or do anything domestic. So if more meals are fast food and carry out, it tends to not be as healthy as home cooked meals.

It's becoming really rare for nuclear families to have home cooked, normal meals.

Posted by: Blago at August 30, 2024 02:34 PM (wMRY8)

164
That can't be real, can it??
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 30, 2024 02:33 PM (iFTx/)

I saw it as an ad during viewing a YouTube TV stream.

And he really did that after winning a UFC match.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:34 PM (Zz0t1)

165

Subsititute simple carbs with complex ones such as oats, barley

Basically, just eat handfuls of dry Cheerios when you get a litttle hangry

Posted by: Serious Cat at August 30, 2024 02:34 PM (TaHi/)

166 The one I had tasted like the water in the p trap of a proctologist’s office.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

That is usually specific.

No judgement here though. . .

Posted by: Tonypete at August 30, 2024 02:35 PM (WXNFJ)

167 *gets hottest thing on menu*
Dolley: "You are not enjoying that."
TJM: "I am. Genuinely." Genuinely.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:34 PM (GBKbO)

One bad thing about aging. Eating spicy foods gets worse the next day........

And I love spicy foods. I just can't eat the REALLY hot stuff anymore.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:35 PM (Zz0t1)

168 You must have no taste buds.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2024 02:31 PM (Ud7de)

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Well I also like ketchup on my hot dogs, so...

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:35 PM (k7yWL)

169 Friend of mine used to say "beer is a sandwich in every can".

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 30, 2024 02:36 PM (ByB3C)

170
Ten years later, I'm fat. But I'm alive.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 30, 2024 02:34 PM (eFOjr)

You are not fat.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:36 PM (Zz0t1)

171 Sorry if I have mentioned this before...my friend is pre-diabetic and his wife is a nurse. She told him that if pasta is cooked, refrigerated and then reheated, it won't cause blood sugar spikes. The starches are made "resistant" by the process, but it isn't clear to me exactly what that means.

Posted by: Oglebay at August 30, 2024 02:36 PM (7fVdQ)

172 131 Is Kale still a thing among the left? For a while it was everywhere. Even Obama was talking about the price of it in 2008.
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (aTv2b)

Not that I'm aware of or the farmers started growing more of that commodity. There was a period where kale was selling for like 40 a box for a long period. It's probably 8 now. I remember when everyone started juicing and they were happy because kale had protein, or something. I would go to the ranch and pick it for my friends, it's terrible and bitter. I did not like the juice they made either, it was horrible.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 30, 2024 02:36 PM (LJ9Iy)

173 Friend of mine used to say "beer is a sandwich in every can".
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 30, 2024 02:36 PM (ByB3C)

Liquid bread.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:36 PM (Zz0t1)

174 "Ya can't outrun your fork".

Study the nutrion facts label on everything you eat. Get a scale, a gram scale, and weigh your portions out. Don't forget anything, calories add up QUICK.

I figured out right away, weight loss is what you eat, not what you do. An extra spoonful of peanut butter would take a couple hours of serious exercise to burn off. It's like topping off with gasoline and then going on an unnecessary 150 mile roadtrip to burn it off every day.

The next thing you'll discover, though, sedentary people particularly as they age, don't need very many calories. 1500 might be too many. I can see why taking a pill sounds so lucrative.

Does this mean people still stuff their face with 3000 calories, yet lose weight? I'm sure there couldn't possibly be any weird side effects with something like that, no sir.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 30, 2024 02:36 PM (SRAJ/)

175
Well I also like ketchup on my hot dogs, so...

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:35 PM (k7yWL

There's something wrong with you, Lucy

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2024 02:37 PM (Ud7de)

176 there are a whole slew of recent articles trying to make the point that Vegans were less susceptible to Covid
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But so are smokers.

Would mean jack.

Maybe they engineered it to leave the young, trim but otherwise unhealthy alone.

Posted by: ... at August 30, 2024 02:37 PM (uujoW)

177
Well I also like ketchup on my hot dogs, so...
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:35 PM (k7yWL)

Fist bump fellow ketchup lover.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 30, 2024 02:37 PM (LJ9Iy)

178 167 One bad thing about aging. Eating spicy foods gets worse the next day........

And I love spicy foods. I just can't eat the REALLY hot stuff anymore.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:35 PM (Zz0t1)

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A few years ago, we went to Hattie B's in Nashville. She got the second hottest menu option. I didn't get anything. I wasn't hungry.

She got, maybe, halfway through before she gave up. She ended up having gastro problems because of it.

I ate the rest. I had no gastro problems. I thought it was pretty spicy. Coulda been hotter.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:37 PM (GBKbO)

179 I'm not sure Ketchup belongs on anything.

I mean fries are supposed to have vinegar and salt on them.

I order mustard on my fries.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2024 02:38 PM (Ud7de)

180 > I was very fit until I started treatment for breast cancer at age 46.

Congrats on beating cancer.

I coasted for a while after I went through testicular cancer ~seven years ago. Maybe three years ago or so I started doing bodyweight workouts, then I switched to heavy weights and cardio one and a half years ago.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2024 02:38 PM (Odg76)

181 132 Carbs have no nutrients. Carbs are purely a source of fuel.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 30, 2024 02

Carbs are a macronutrient that provide energy, true. But it’s more than that. Vegetables and fruits provide a whole host of micronutrients. Fiber rich carbs help remove toxins, etc.

Your brain requires glucose to function well, and carbs provide this, they also support cell vitality. The problem is people associate carbs with a brownie, and that isn’t the case. Legumes are carbs. Spinach is a carb. A carrot. Minimally processed carbs are good for you, in conjunction with proteins fats.

Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 02:38 PM (p4NUW)

182 I was very fit until I started treatment for breast cancer at age 46.

Ten years later, I'm fat. But I'm alive.
Posted by: nurse ratched

Says you. Those of we few, we happy few that have met you think you are a Babylonia!

Posted by: Tonypete at August 30, 2024 02:38 PM (WXNFJ)

183 Friend of mine used to say "beer is a sandwich in every can".
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 30, 2024 02:36 PM (ByB3C)

Liquid bread.

Medieval people drank a lot of beer every winter and spring - turning grain into beer was the only way to store grain long-term.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 30, 2024 02:38 PM (uxCna)

184 But, then there was some Unpleasantness that happened in the 30s and 40s, and for some reason, most of the world turned its back on German science.

Posted by: ace at August 30, 2024 02:14 PM (KRtlO)

Yeah...Bauhaus was pretty awful.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 30, 2024 02:39 PM (d9fT1)

185 I've been doing the farmer walk and arm curls using full .50 caliber ammo cases. They're multifunctional.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 30, 2024 02:39 PM (/U5Yz)

186 I order mustard on my fries.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2024 02:38 PM (Ud7de)

Slingblade?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:39 PM (cnVbw)

187
I ate the rest. I had no gastro problems. I thought it was pretty spicy. Coulda been hotter.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:37 PM (GBKbO)

I don't get gastro problems, unless a burning bunghole the next day is considered a gastro problem.

I've only had one instance of waking up in the middle of the night, vurping up the hot wings I'd eaten earlier that day, along with drinking copious amounts of beer.

THAT was terrible.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:39 PM (Zz0t1)

188 186 I order mustard on my fries.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2024 02:38 PM (Ud7de)

Slingblade?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:39 PM (cnVbw

The man was onto something.

*looks at lawnmower blade*

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2024 02:40 PM (Ud7de)

189 *gets hottest thing on menu*
Dolley: "You are not enjoying that."
TJM: "I am. Genuinely." Genuinely.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:34 PM (GBKbO

Dave's Insanity Sauce...

Posted by: Stateless at August 30, 2024 02:41 PM (jvJvP)

190 187 I've only had one instance of waking up in the middle of the night, vurping up the hot wings I'd eaten earlier that day, along with drinking copious amounts of beer.

THAT was terrible.......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:39 PM (Zz0t1)

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That does sound unpleasant.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:41 PM (GBKbO)

191 I lost 10 lbs in two weeks this last April, eating pasta carobonara five of those nights and potato gratin on two other occasions. Did manage to consume a 2 1/2 lb porterhouse with my son. Not mentioning daily gelato and cannolis. And gelato. And canolis.

I call it the Sightseeing Diet.

Posted by: javems at August 30, 2024 02:41 PM (8I4hW)

192 The one I had tasted like the water in the p trap of a proctologist’s office.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:31 PM (cnVbw)

*chokes on her orange slice*

Posted by: Lady Who Always Has a Burning Question at August 30, 2024 02:41 PM (JCLJi)

193
Is Kale still a thing among the left? For a while it was everywhere. Even Obama was talking about the price of it in 2008.

Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 30, 2024 02:30

He mentioned arugula. Like a lettuce, but bolts very quickly so short cycle which ups the cost I imagine. My wife likes the taste in her salads. Tough grow for me.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 30, 2024 02:41 PM (RKVpM)

194 Re: last video, my dad was doing 15 pull-ups at the gym 3x a week up until he was 88! Skied black diamond slopes until he was 85.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 30, 2024 02:41 PM (Hkcdp)

195 Carbs have no nutrients. Carbs are purely a source of fuel.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (KAi1n)

This is reductio ad absurdum.

Proteins have no nutrients and are purely a source of fuel.

Sounds silly...doesn't it!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 30, 2024 02:41 PM (d9fT1)

196 But, then there was some Unpleasantness that happened in the 30s and 40s, and for some reason, most of the world turned its back on German science.

Posted by: ace at August 30, 2024 02:14 PM (KRtlO)

Yeah...Bauhaus was pretty awful.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 30, 2024 02:39 PM (d9fT1)
_____

"Fuck you!"

-- Peter Murphy

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 30, 2024 02:41 PM (iFTx/)

197 GAINNZ, eh? I looked through that Convict Conditioning book a bit. Kind of interesting, especially as it eschews fancy equipment. Still, I don't know where I could put a pull-up bar.

Posted by: spindrift at August 30, 2024 02:42 PM (OguvZ)

198 189 Dave's Insanity Sauce...
Posted by: Stateless at August 30, 2024 02:41 PM (jvJvP)

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The Try Channel on Youtube had an episode where they got this selection of 12 "insanely hot" hot sauces. Dolley bought it for me for Christmas last year.

The 12 is quite spicy. Quite.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:42 PM (GBKbO)

199 Kale is for landscaping.
Srsly

Posted by: Lizzy at August 30, 2024 02:42 PM (Hkcdp)

200

Dave's Insanity Sauce...
Posted by: Stateless at August 30, 2024 02:41 PM (jvJvP)

I put a bit of that in a marinade for beef jerky once. It actually added a good flavor after dehydrating, but my GOODNESS it was tough to eat.

Added a bit too much that round.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:42 PM (Zz0t1)

201 173 Friend of mine used to say "beer is a sandwich in every can".
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 30, 2024 02:36 PM (ByB3C)

Smart friend. Also, it hydrates faster than water, according to my doctor in-law.

Posted by: Auspex at August 30, 2024 02:42 PM (j4U/Z)

202 I did not see Burning Bunghole open for the Butthole Surfers at CBGB in '84. Wouldn't have been prudent.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at August 30, 2024 02:42 PM (PiwSw)

203 > Dang bonhomme, you are crushing it.

Thanks!

Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2024 02:43 PM (Odg76)

204 199 Kale is for landscaping.
Srsly
Posted by: Lizzy

That crap is like eating wet sandpaper. Yuck.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 30, 2024 02:43 PM (/U5Yz)

205
That does sound unpleasant.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:41 PM (GBKbO)

Throat was on fire for hours and the taste.......I couldn't get rid of it.

Worst ever.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:43 PM (Zz0t1)

206 It's not RFKjr's endorsement that counts among my peers, but my girl Tulsi Gabbard's. She's seen as authentic, smart, and a good person overall. Her biggest critic was Hillary - and no one likes Hillary.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at August 30, 2024 02:43 PM (bJKVo)

207 I used to get the vurps a lot. If you inhale that shit while you are sleeping, you aren’t getting to sleep for at least 2 hours.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:43 PM (cnVbw)

208 "Fuck you!"

-- Peter Murphy

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 30, 2024 02:41 PM (iFTx/)

I love this place.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 30, 2024 02:43 PM (d9fT1)

209 Thanks!
Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2024 02:43 PM (Odg76)

Yeah man.

*fistbump*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:43 PM (Zz0t1)

210 What vegetables have no carbs?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Sprouts, asparagus, broccoli, zukes, bell peppers, spinach, lettuce, celery, kale. . . .
Posted by: Tonypete

They have carbs. Not a lot of carbs, but they don't have a lot of protein or fat either. But they are not no-carb.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 30, 2024 02:43 PM (KAi1n)

211
I've decided to drop some weight so, I'm doing the usual.

Eat less, exercise more. Dial back on the carbs. Drop cocktails to once per week.

Not trying to lose too fast cuz that makes you look wrinkly as you approach 29.

I've dropped about 15 lbs, buuuuut now I've hit that point where your weight kinda loiters around a certain point. A little down, a little up. That sort of thing.

Maybe change my high fiber breakfast to more egg-based. And exercise even more ought to get things going again.

Not a hard thing it just requires discipline.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 30, 2024 02:43 PM (eDfFs)

212 Alcohol is problematic, because it is burned preferentially over carbohydrate.

Remember, no fat burning can occur until glucose stores are emptied from the liver and bloodstream. And the alcohol is going to be processed first. Always. It's sort of like a poison, as far as the body is concerned.

See also: Non-alcoholic fatty liver. It's easy to screw up the liver, even without booze. Excess calories, especially carbs - turn the gut into one big petri-dish, and fructose can only be processed by the liver, it is unusable by cells. And then the hydrogenated oils, which are fairly indigestible. I'm surprised liver failure isn't more common. Maybe it is, they just call it something else.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 30, 2024 02:44 PM (SRAJ/)

213 137 87 My GAINNZZ is that I just got back from a 23-day cruise/vacation and didn't gain ANY weight.

No idea how that happened, because I certainly ate lots of yummy food. And I didn't walk any of it off, because I was using my electric scooter to zip around everywhere (that thing has been real freedom for me!)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas, AOS Ladies Brigade, Plucky Comic Relief at August 30,

Okay, how? And good for you!
Posted by: CaliGirl at August 30, 2024 02:30 PM (LJ9Iy)

Like I said, no idea, especially given that I swole up like an over-fed tick the entire time we were gone. All of that swelling went down once we got home (and lower elevations). Maybe the swelling kept the weight down, who knows?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas, AOS Ladies Brigade, Plucky Comic Relief at August 30, 2024 02:44 PM (SRRAx)

214 @202 Pete Buttigieg loved that show

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 30, 2024 02:44 PM (ByB3C)

215 Kale is for landscaping.
Srsly

Posted by: Lizzy at August 30, 2024 02:42 PM (Hkcdp)

There are about 800,000 recipes for kale on the internet.

I know of one that is palatable.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 30, 2024 02:45 PM (d9fT1)

216 >>I love this place.

You could say it cuts you up?
La La La La La La …..

Posted by: Lizzy at August 30, 2024 02:45 PM (Hkcdp)

217 199 Kale is for landscaping.
Srsly
Posted by: Lizzy at August 30, 2024 02:42 PM (Hkcdp)

I noticed flowering kale on the east coast as a landscape plant in the snow. I had never seen it used like that before.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 30, 2024 02:45 PM (LJ9Iy)

218 215 I know of one that is palatable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 30, 2024 02:45 PM (d9fT1)

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"Step 5: Throw kale into trash."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:45 PM (GBKbO)

219 For those who are trying to lose weight, I want to give my normal speech here- it’s flipping hard. For women, especially after a certain age, it’s like the entire universe is trying to make you hang on to every ounce. Making huge changes to dietary habits AND making time for yourself to workout is not easy. It’s not a light switch. It’s a journey.

Finding 50 minutes for you every day to do something should be priority. You make so many things a priority for others. Give yourself the gift of 50 minutes a day, no matter what, at least 4 days a week.

Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 02:46 PM (p4NUW)

220 Kale is for landscaping.
Srsly
Posted by: Lizzy at August 30, 2024 02:42 PM (Hkcdp)

Isn't that the shit they use as decorations around the rest of the edible shit on a salad bar?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:46 PM (Zz0t1)

221 I hope there is a large constituency of "health moms", but it seems women are swayed by things like abortion and girl boss platitudes. I'm convinced abortion is such a driving issue because many women have been convinced limiting abortion is another method of men telling them what to do, and we can't have any of that.

Posted by: UGAdawg at August 30, 2024 02:46 PM (tRd71)

222 Most beers have 8-10 grams of carbs, but light beers are much less. Flight is like 2 or 3 grams. Limiting carbs to 10-20 means no bread, and even things like milk and ketchup push the carbs up.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 30, 2024 02:47 PM (Cus5s)

223 They make greens here that can sometimes taste pretty good, but they make that stuff with ham hocks or pigs feet or some other shit.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:47 PM (cnVbw)

224 I've decided to drop some weight so, I'm doing the usual.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 30, 2024 02:43 PM (eDfFs)

You finally decided to stop shaking your Manhattans?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 30, 2024 02:47 PM (d9fT1)

225 And kale haters just don’t know how to eat it. Mix it in your salad. Throw a handful in your soup.

Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 02:47 PM (p4NUW)

226 Guys at work brought in the stupid hot hot sauce.. everybody tried it..lost 3 guys to the bathroom for an hour.

Posted by: A dude in MI at August 30, 2024 02:47 PM (/6GbT)

227 Everytime someone brings up kale I think of the Cheers episode where Woody got addicted to a kale health drink. Funny stuff

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 30, 2024 02:47 PM (ByB3C)

228 They are talking about adding things like zinc to the soil. Low zinc impacts your immune system and most soils are deficient in zinc.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 30, 2024 02:48 PM (MpVUb)

229 225 And kale haters just don’t know how to eat it. Mix it in your salad. Throw a handful in your soup.
Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 02:47 PM (p4NUW)

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Hide it among other things that taste better.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:48 PM (GBKbO)

230 I've decided to drop some weight so, I'm doing the usual.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 30, 2024 02:43 PM (eDfFs)

You finally decided to stop shaking your Manhattans?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 30, 2024 02:47 PM (d9fT1)

Hell, no.

The shaking's part of my exercise program.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 30, 2024 02:48 PM (eDfFs)

231 My wife is buying these premixed salads off and on. Kale is usually prevalent in them. Chopped, but there's a lot of it. I assume it's 'filler.'

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 30, 2024 02:48 PM (Q4IgG)

232 Sponge, maybe? That or chicory…

Piper, sorry, kale is salads is a no-go for me. Just awful.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 30, 2024 02:49 PM (Hkcdp)

233 See also: Non-alcoholic fatty liver. It's easy to screw up the liver, even without booze. Excess calories, especially carbs - turn the gut into one big petri-dish, and fructose can only be processed by the liver, it is unusable by cells. And then the hydrogenated oils, which are fairly indigestible. I'm surprised liver failure isn't more common. Maybe it is, they just call it something else.
Posted by: Common Tater

Where are you getting this from?

Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 02:49 PM (p4NUW)

234 "Alcohol is problematic..."

Posted by: Common Tater at August 30, 2024 02:44 PM (SRAJ/)

Shut your whore mouth!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 30, 2024 02:49 PM (d9fT1)

235 "I always thought RFK Jr. was a junkie that would end up like Syd Barrett."

AFAIK, Syd did LSD not heroin.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 30, 2024 02:49 PM (KAi1n)

236 Oh look, it's beer o'clock.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 30, 2024 02:49 PM (LkLld)

237
Hide it among other things that taste better.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:48 PM (GBKbO)

If I have to hide it, why bother putting it in anything I actually want to eat and enjoy?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:49 PM (Zz0t1)

238 Here's where I struggle - aren't most of these same Health Moms also Trans Moms?

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at August 30, 2024 02:49 PM (+36oL)

239 Regarding kale...

I'm sure it's been mentioned before but eating lots of kale encourages gout and/or kidney stones, if you're susceptible to those issues.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 30, 2024 02:49 PM (eDfFs)

240 232 Sponge, maybe? That or chicory…

Piper, sorry, kale is salads is a no-go for me. Just awful.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 30, 2024

You can live a long time and not eat kale. There are many other leafy green options! It’s just a cheap and easy one.

Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 02:50 PM (p4NUW)

241 "The 1 carb you get from a serving of asparagus isn't going to trigger the insulin response, or anything."

For me, it will trigger my gag reflex and I'll vomit. Asparagus is vile.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 30, 2024 02:50 PM (KAi1n)

242 Piper, sorry, kale is salads is a no-go for me. Just awful.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 30, 2024 02:49 PM (Hkcdp)

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Agreed. I add spinach to salads and soups and such.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:50 PM (w840E)

243 Oh look, it's beer o'clock.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 30, 2024 02:49 PM (LkLld)
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2.25 hrs till tequila-o-clock.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at August 30, 2024 02:50 PM (+36oL)

244 The shaking's part of my exercise program.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 30, 2024 02:48 PM (eDfFs)

I would make a tacky joke about how rubbing one out and shaking a Manhattan use the same muscles, but I am too polite for that sort of behavior.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 30, 2024 02:51 PM (d9fT1)

245 239 Regarding kale...

I'm sure it's been mentioned before but eating lots of kale encourages gout and/or kidney stones, if you're susceptible to those issues.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 30, 2024 02:49 PM (eDfFs)

I have a vegan friend and she keeps getting kidney stones. High oxalates or something. Spinach has them too.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 30, 2024 02:51 PM (LJ9Iy)

246 Darn it, no kale for me then. Curse my luck.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:51 PM (cnVbw)

247 241 "The 1 carb you get from a serving of asparagus isn't going to trigger the insulin response, or anything."

For me, it will trigger my gag reflex and I'll vomit. Asparagus is vile.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 30, 2024 02:50 PM (KAi1n)

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What if it's so soaked in lime juice that it doesn't taste like asparagus anymore?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:51 PM (GBKbO)

248 [Sponge, maybe? That or chicory…

Piper, sorry, kale is salads is a no-go for me. Just awful.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 30, 2024 02:49 PM (Hkcdp)

I worked for a small town restaurant years ago that had a MASSIVE salad bar. We had to fill the trays with ice, then add the bowls of salad after salad, then we surrounded all the bowls with this thick leafy stuff to hide the ice.

I thought it was kale.

I had NO desire to eat that shit.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:51 PM (Zz0t1)

249 Love spinach! I

Posted by: Lizzy at August 30, 2024 02:51 PM (Hkcdp)

250 My dad took up mountain running when he was 70. He gave up flying because his insurance demanded a full physical every six months to fly. So, on a dare from his fishing buddy, he tried Mt. Marathon in Seward. He held the record for 80 and over age group for a few years, too, until Fred finally turned 80. His theory was that even though he was never fast, his competition mostly died off. Anyway, he lost about 30 pounds and his blood pressure dropped precipitously, and he was very healthy right up until his stroke at 86. Something will always get you, but it isn't too late to try.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at August 30, 2024 02:51 PM (AE/RG)

251 Your brain requires glucose to function well, and carbs provide this, they also support cell vitality.
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Carbohydrate is not necessary; there are no "essential carbohydrates" you have to get that through your head on a technical basis.

"Cell vitality" sounds like nonsense. The human body has the remarkable ability to synthesize all the glucose it needs from protein and fat.

Those are "essential", meaning "you will die" without them. Glucose can be utilized by every cell in the body, indeed this is the problem. Over time, even at the cellular level, there will be a marked preference for glucose over fat.

Our bodies like to take the "what do we have to eat around here anyway?" and glucose is instant energy. But it is otherwise a poison in excess.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 30, 2024 02:51 PM (SRAJ/)

252 >>2.25 hrs till tequila-o-clock.

I have to pace myself. It's going to be a long week.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 30, 2024 02:51 PM (LkLld)

253 Another way "old thinking" kind of helps is that the old folks never substituted motor oil for cooking oil.

Vegetable oils were an attempt to develop a cheaper alternative to motor oil. Which is why the chemical bastardizations were not that big a deal.

DC allowed food makers to use chemical oils in foods *only* for WWII, but as vegetable oils became cheaper to use than expeller-pressed or animal fats, that permit became open-ended.

Chemically-treated vegetable oils are not food.

So, I'm on board with MAHA.

Posted by: Axeman at August 30, 2024 02:52 PM (krQz2)

254 I lost 10 lbs in two weeks this last April, eating pasta carobonara five of those nights and potato gratin on two other occasions. Did manage to consume a 2 1/2 lb porterhouse with my son. Not mentioning daily gelato and cannolis. And gelato. And canolis.

I call it the Sightseeing Diet.
Posted by: javems at August 30, 2024 02:41 PM (8I4hW)

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What the eff kind of deal with the devil did you make?!

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:52 PM (w840E)

255 You can always try seaweed, if you don’t think kale tastes bad enough.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 30, 2024 02:52 PM (cnVbw)

256 221 I hope there is a large constituency of "health moms", but it seems women are swayed by things like abortion and girl boss platitudes. I'm convinced abortion is such a driving issue because many women have been convinced limiting abortion is another method of men telling them what to do, and we can't have any of that.
Posted by: UGAdawg at August 30, 2024 02:46 PM (tRd71)

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It's being pushed hard because if they can convince you to kill your kids, what can't they convince you to do?

Posted by: Just Lily at August 30, 2024 02:52 PM (iBpLn)

257 My impression is abortion involves high school kids, and not at all dependent on socioeconomic status.

Posted by: Oglebay at August 30, 2024 02:52 PM (7fVdQ)

258 2.25 hrs till tequila-o-clock.

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Why? Is all the rum gone?

Posted by: Axeman at August 30, 2024 02:52 PM (krQz2)

259 Sorry if I have mentioned this before...my friend is pre-diabetic and his wife is a nurse. She told him that if pasta is cooked, refrigerated and then reheated, it won't cause blood sugar spikes. The starches are made "resistant" by the process, but it isn't clear to me exactly what that means.
Posted by: Oglebay at August 30, 2024

***
That sounds interesting.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 30, 2024 02:52 PM (J2vNu)

260 Regarding kale...

I'm sure it's been mentioned before but eating lots of kale encourages gout and/or kidney stones, if you're susceptible to those issues.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 30, 2024 02:49 PM (eDfFs)

If God wanted us to eat kale and spinach and other such things, he wouldn't have made them taste like shit.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 30, 2024 02:53 PM (dGCAG)

261 Posted by: Cheri at August 30, 2024 02:34 PM (oiNtH)

I’ll check this book out. Another great book is Lies My Doctor Told Me by Ken Berry.

Same premise except most of it is nutrition related.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at August 30, 2024 02:53 PM (eZwyX)

262 am one woman who absolutely does not get the Kennedy love. I find them to be loathsome, entitled pricks. And the Kennedy men are worse!
Posted by: huerfano at August 30, 2024 02:05 PM (VGOMa)

You and me both. Put a bag over his head, and tell him NOT to speak. Then maybe...
Posted by: Lady Who Always Has a Burning Question at August 30, 2024 02:24 PM

My mother said Teddy, of all the Kennedys, was actually good-looking when he was young. Of course, he was a dirty dog and a drunk, so his outside eventually matched his inner self.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at August 30, 2024 02:53 PM (bJKVo)

263 For me, it will trigger my gag reflex and I'll vomit. Asparagus is vile.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 30, 2024 02:50 PM (KAi1n)

I won't eat vegetables that taste like dirt. I have no idea why people do.

I avoid the ones that make me fart, too. Personal preference.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (AE/RG)

264 234 "Alcohol is problematic..."

Posted by: Common Tater at August 30, 2024 02:44 PM (SRAJ/)

Shut your whore mouth!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 30, 2024 02:49 PM (d9fT1)

CBD Johnson is right!

Posted by: Nancy *hic* Pelosi at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (PiwSw)

265 > What if it's so soaked in lime juice that it doesn't taste like asparagus anymore?

Put a little olive oil and salt on it, roast it until it's got black bits, then drizzle lime juice on it. Yum!

Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (Odg76)

266 My thoughts on the state of the race:

https://tinyurl.com/5ha94czd

TLDR - as of today, Trump wins, Senate goes GOP by a little, House goes Dem.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (5p7BC)

267 My understanding is that red meat is fine for you, so long as it's not raised with antibiotics and other chemicals that can carry over from the meat to humans.

Am I wrong on that?

Posted by: Redbanzai at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (pU81a)

268 239 Regarding kale...

I'm sure it's been mentioned before but eating lots of kale encourages gout and/or kidney stones, if you're susceptible to those issues.

Posted by: naturalfake at August

Depends on the type of kidney stone, but kale is a high oxalate food. People with severe kidney stone issues are told to avoid all animal proteins as well, so if this is something that you suffer from, go see a true dietician for support. That is not me, I am a fitness focused nutritionist education wise, but not a dietician.

Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (p4NUW)

269 Vegetables hate us, and have lots of poisons that keep predators away. They are trying to kill us!

Stay away from vegetables. Dangerous! Do Not Eat

POISON

Posted by: It Just Makes Sense Now That I Think About It at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (SRAJ/)

270 I lost 8 lbs on my 10 day trip to Denmark this summer.

I didn't do anything much physically, but only ate one meal a day, dinner, during the weekdays. There was a lot of work to do and no one left for lunch. My hotel room didn't have a fridge in it, so I didn't really have an option of bringing a lunch, so I only had dinner each evening.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (Zz0t1)

271 Just a metric fuck ton of red meat and animal fats.

Eschew sugar.

Your health will dramatically improve.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (eZwyX)

272 Regarding kale...

I'm sure it's been mentioned before but eating lots of kale encourages gout and/or kidney stones, if you're susceptible to those issues.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 30, 2024 02:49 PM (eDfFs)
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I tried drinking a kale shake and got an explosion of gas in my chest. Chest pains, bloated, discomfort for *hours* after wards.

My wife said "No more kale shakes for you!"

Posted by: Axeman at August 30, 2024 02:55 PM (krQz2)

273 Hi carb seems to lead the way to diabetes ... and supposedly cancer cells feast on carbs, starve without them? I forget all the details, but something like that.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 30, 2024 02:55 PM (Cus5s)

274
TLDR - as of today, Trump wins, Senate goes GOP by a little, House goes Dem.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (5p7BC)

So, outside of EO's, Trump gets nothing done and we're f*cked for 4 more years.

Wonderful.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:55 PM (Zz0t1)

275 My mother said Teddy, of all the Kennedys, was actually good-looking when he was young. Of course, he was a dirty dog and a drunk, so his outside eventually matched his inner self.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at August 30, 2024 02:53 PM (bJKVo)

That's why finding the right "filling" for the sandwich was so important!

Posted by: Chris Dodd at August 30, 2024 02:55 PM (PiwSw)

276 Posted by: UGAdawg at August 30, 2024 02:46 PM (tRd71)

It's being pushed hard because if they can convince you to kill your kids, what can't they convince you to do?
Posted by: Just Lily at August 30, 2024 02:52 PM (iBpLn)

Women who have kids tend to look at killing babies differently from those who don't.

So the overwhelming majority of abortion zealots are younger females who don't yet have kids (or never want to have them), or old dried up prunes who can't have kids, because their ovaries or shot, and no men want to sleep with them.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 30, 2024 02:56 PM (dGCAG)

277
Limiting carbs to 10-20 means no bread,

Posted by: illiniwek at August 30, 2024 02:47 PM

Last year I was talking to a woman about the calories in plain old ordinary bread and she is well past 40 years of age. A year later, she told me she has lost nearly twenty pounds. Her secret? No bread.

Me, I never eat two slices of bread in a day. I can make a nice fat half a sandwich with a single slice that holds my appetite till dinner.

That and cutting out cream and sugar and suffering through black coffee every day has me within a couple pounds of my perfect weight.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 30, 2024 02:56 PM (RKVpM)

278 267 My understanding is that red meat is fine for you, so long as it's not raised with antibiotics and other chemicals that can carry over from the meat to humans.

Am I wrong on that?
Posted by: Redbanzai at August 30, 2024

If you are asking in general and do not have health issues, red meat is a fine source of protein to add into a rotation.

Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 02:56 PM (p4NUW)

279 My mother said Teddy, of all the Kennedys, was actually good-looking when he was young.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at August 30, 2024 02:53 PM (bJKVo)

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I've seen pictures of young Ted, and hard disagree.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:56 PM (w840E)

280 Lazy Gainzzz - I secured a resistance band to the base of my chair and am doing tricep extensions as I sit here.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 30, 2024 02:56 PM (Dm8we)

281 If God wanted us to eat kale and spinach and other such things, he wouldn't have made them taste like shit.

Give the kale and spinach to pigs and cows, maybe also to deer and bison.

Then let them turn the kale and spinach into food for humans.
TADA! Plant based diet!

Posted by: Just Lily at August 30, 2024 02:57 PM (iBpLn)

282 "CBD Johnson is right!
Posted by: Nancy *hic* Pelosi

idk, Nancy is still pretty spry for a 99 year old.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 30, 2024 02:57 PM (Cus5s)

283 At the very least the message may seep into the back of their brains somewhere "If my daughters and I cannot even conceive, what good does abortion do us...?"

Posted by: SouthCentralPA at August 30, 2024 02:57 PM (6mBpS)

284 Am I wrong on that?
Posted by: Redbanzai at August 30, 2024

If you are asking in general and do not have health issues, red meat is a fine source of protein to add into a rotation.
Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 02:56 PM (p4NUW)
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Cow organ meats are mega-nutrient-dense. No vegetable can compare with organ meats.

Posted by: Axeman at August 30, 2024 02:57 PM (krQz2)

285 Is it the processed flour that is the problem with bread, or are grains bad in general?

Posted by: Oglebay at August 30, 2024 02:57 PM (7fVdQ)

286
There are about 800,000 recipes for kale on the internet.

I know of one that is palatable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 30, 2024 02:45 PM (d9fT1)

Italian sausage, cannellini bean and kale soup is pretty good!

Posted by: Moki at August 30, 2024 02:58 PM (wLjpr)

287
idk, Nancy is still pretty spry for a 99 year old.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 30, 2024 02:57 PM (Cus5s)

So spry, her husband had to bring in a younger, drugged out dude with a hammer for some fun.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:58 PM (Zz0t1)

288 Posted by: Redbanzai at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (pU81a

Preferably you want red meat directly from a rancher but let’s be real here, pretty much all of our food is poisoned to one degree or another. Just do the best you can and red meat is king.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at August 30, 2024 02:58 PM (eZwyX)

289 I won't eat vegetables that taste like dirt. I have no idea why people do.

I avoid the ones that make me fart, too. Personal preference.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (AE/RG)

My preference too.

Posted by: TCN's Dog at August 30, 2024 02:58 PM (dGCAG)

290 TLDR - as of today, Trump wins, Senate goes GOP by a little, House goes Dem.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (5p7BC)

So, outside of EO's, Trump gets nothing done and we're f*cked for 4 more years.

Wonderful.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:55 PM (Zz0t1)
______

I don't see how Trump wins, and we win the Senate, but somehow we lose the House. I think it's all or nothing.

Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 30, 2024 02:58 PM (iFTx/)

291 I tried drinking a kale shake and got an explosion of gas in my chest. Chest pains, bloated, discomfort for *hours* after wards.

My wife said "No more kale shakes for you!"
Posted by: Axeman at August 30, 2024

As you increase your fiber, keep in mind going from 0 to 60 will have some implications. 🤣. Increasing over time will lessen the impact.

Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 02:58 PM (p4NUW)

292 My gainzzz is I'm in physical therapy to strengthen my weak leg. So far, it really hurts!

Posted by: NaughtyPine at August 30, 2024 02:59 PM (bJKVo)

293 Limiting carbs to 10-20 means no bread,

Posted by: illiniwek at August 30, 2024 02:47 PM
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You can splurge on sourdough from time to time, which have a much lower Glycemic Index spike.

Posted by: Axeman at August 30, 2024 02:59 PM (krQz2)

294 Meat, butter, eggs, fish, poultry, cheese.

If you want to raise healthy chilruuns. Cholesterol is not "bad", it is the insulation on your nervous system among other things. Nutrient deficiencies lead to developmental, behavioral, and cognitive issues, IQ and other problems in pregnancy and childhood.

It is impossible to get enough calories and nutrients with vegetables. It's insane to try. Good high quality animal protein, and plenty of it, if you can get it. Good luck.

Posted by: It Just Makes Sense Now That I Think About It at August 30, 2024 02:59 PM (SRAJ/)

295 Oddly relaxing video of a cleaning professional restoring a beautiful carpet.

https://youtu.be/5J1EPYn4mmo

Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2024 02:59 PM (Odg76)

296
I've seen pictures of young Ted, and hard disagree.
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:56 PM (w840E)

https://is.gd/64nVgV

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 30, 2024 02:59 PM (Zz0t1)

297 I've got a couple of emails from a PR firm trying to give me a press pass to the Los Angeles Comic-Con.

I somehow doubt they'd be willing to buy my airfare from one coast to the other.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 02:59 PM (GBKbO)

298 "Cell vitality" sounds like nonsense. The human body has the remarkable ability to synthesize all the glucose it needs from protein and fat.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 30, 2024 02:51 PM (SRAJ/)
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This is correct. Went Keto in 2019 and dropped 50 lbs in 8 mos.

I consume almost no carbs during the day, but if I eat too much protein or drink too much hard liquor, my weight will climb as my body converts those to sugars.

What's too much? Well, it's really more about not getting enough fat. Sometimes I'll go through a case of porkrinds in a week and watch 5 lbs melt back off.

Having changed nothing else, clearly not giving my body fat to burn means it will create its own carbs (sugars) if it needs what I won't provide.

You are NOT what you eat. Your body is an incredible machine capable of all kinds of chemical miracles.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at August 30, 2024 03:00 PM (+36oL)

299 I won't eat vegetables that taste like dirt. I have no idea why people do.

I avoid the ones that make me fart, too. Personal preference.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (AE/RG)

Picky, picky, picky.

Posted by: Eric Swalwell at August 30, 2024 03:00 PM (PiwSw)

300 284 Am I wrong on that?
Posted by: Redbanzai at August 30, 2024

If you are asking in general and do not have health issues, red meat is a fine source of protein to add into a rotation.
Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 02:56 PM (p4NUW)
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Cow organ meats are mega-nutrient-dense. No vegetable can compare with organ meats.
Posted by: Axeman at August 30, 2024 02:57 PM (krQz2)

Get the HRD KLL (I think that's what it is) powder and sprinkle it on things like eggs. Makes eating organs muuuuuch more tolerable.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 30, 2024 03:00 PM (KbCG3)

301 ---
Cow organ meats are mega-nutrient-dense. No vegetable can compare with organ meats.
Posted by: Axeman at August

There isn’t a this or that - you should get your nutrients from a wide variety of sources. We are omnivores.

But I am not eating organ meats. Yuck.

Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 03:00 PM (p4NUW)

302 Will Trump's promise of free IVF bring in the Health Moms?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 30, 2024 02:05 PM (63Dwl)

This may or may not happen. And I understand why Trump is pushing it, but I do not think that it will solve the problem. He's trying to solve.

As Elon Musk has pointed out one of the grave.
Existential problems of almost all countries right now is population decline. We need more citizens having babies but the type of people who use IVF (single moms, homosexual men) are not necessarily the people we want to encourage to have babies.

Elevating the stutus of mothers who have multiple children within a marriage would be a better, less costlyvway to solve the problem.

Posted by: Redbanzai at August 30, 2024 03:01 PM (pU81a)

303 Italian sausage, cannellini bean and kale soup is pretty good!

Posted by: Moki at August 30, 2024 02:58 PM (wLjpr)

Okay...two recipes that are palatable!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 30, 2024 03:01 PM (d9fT1)

304 What the eff kind of deal with the devil did you make?!
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:52 PM (w840E)

Walked until I couldn’t drag my left foot any further. We missed a lot of lunches doing stuff. Last hurrah, so I had to make it count.

Posted by: javems at August 30, 2024 03:01 PM (8I4hW)

305
So the overwhelming majority of abortion zealots are younger females who don't yet have kids (or never want to have them), or old dried up prunes who can't have kids, because their ovaries or shot, and no men want to sleep with them.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 30, 2024 02:56 PM (dGCAG)

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You are forgetting all the folks who want abortion available for their daughters so their life isn't "ruined" by a baby.

Lots and lots of Moms like that.

Posted by: Just Lily at August 30, 2024 03:01 PM (iBpLn)

306 Lazy Gainzzz - I secured a resistance band to the base of my chair and am doing tricep extensions as I sit here.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba

Be careful with those things, man. You'll put an eye out!

Posted by: Sen. Harry Reid at August 30, 2024 03:01 PM (uAczH)

307 So the overwhelming majority of abortion zealots are younger females who don't yet have kids (or never want to have them), or old dried up prunes who can't have kids, because their ovaries or shot, and no men want to sleep with them.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 30, 2024 02:56 PM (dGCAG)

Also include the childish ones like my SIL who says she doesn't want anyone to tell her what she can and can't do and that includes having an abortion.

Um, yeah honey, you're 60, so NO, you can't have an abortion 'cause you can't get pregnant anymore. There, I just told you what you can't do.

Posted by: hobbitopoly at August 30, 2024 03:01 PM (k9OZB)

308 Sorry if I have mentioned this before...my friend is pre-diabetic and his wife is a nurse. She told him that if pasta is cooked, refrigerated and then reheated, it won't cause blood sugar spikes. The starches are made "resistant" by the process, but it isn't clear to me exactly what that means.
Posted by: Oglebay at August 30, 2024

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That sounds interesting.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 30, 2024 02:52 PM (J2vNu)

I'm going to say that's 100% pure baloney.

I can't think of anything in chemistry that would make that true.

Unless, maybe cooking twice somehow dissolves more starch from the spaghetti so there's less there. But, even that sounds off.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 30, 2024 03:02 PM (eDfFs)

309 > That and cutting out cream and sugar and suffering through black coffee every day has me within a couple pounds of my perfect weight.

You can always go old school and throw a pat of butter in your coffee.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2024 03:02 PM (Odg76)

310 303 Italian sausage, cannellini bean and kale soup is pretty good!

Posted by: Moki at August 30, 2024 02:58 PM (wLjpr)

Okay...two recipes that are palatable!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 30, 2024 03:01 PM (d9fT1)

+++++

Two more than exist for zucchini?

Posted by: Oglebay at August 30, 2024 03:02 PM (7fVdQ)

311 >>You can splurge on sourdough from time to time, which have a much lower Glycemic Index spike.

But that will interfere with the ginormous, delicious lobster roll in a buttered and toasted brioche roll I'll be gorging on this weekend.

Hold the kale.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 30, 2024 03:02 PM (LkLld)

312 Why? Is all the rum gone?
Posted by: Axeman at August 30, 2024 02:52 PM (krQz2)
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Clever.

Never been a fan of it. Got sick on whiskey too many times, so now I only sip Mexican whiskey.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at August 30, 2024 03:02 PM (+36oL)

313 305 -------
You are forgetting all the folks who want abortion available for their daughters so their life isn't "ruined" by a baby.

Lots and lots of Moms like that.
Posted by: Just Lily at August 30, 2024 03:01 PM (iBpLn)

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There are people who think that outlawing abortion will also outlaw the medical practice of DNCs which will force women to carry dead fetuses until they pass naturally instead of having them surgically removed.

It's a line that the left passes around.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 30, 2024 03:02 PM (GBKbO)

314 https://is.gd/64nVgV

Toothy blockhead.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 30, 2024 03:02 PM (fs1hN)

315 Hey all you people talking about thousands of steps.

Do y'all do Farmer's Carry?

I swear, in two weeks of doing those my forearms, shoulders and obliques have made more GAINZZZ than in the past year.

Amazing exercise you can do with two kettlebells.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 30, 2024 03:02 PM (KbCG3)

316 298 "Cell vitality" sounds like nonsense. The human body has the remarkable ability to synthesize all the glucose it needs from protein and fat.

Posted by: Common Tater

You asked me what I weighed, so I am going to ask you where you are getting this from? What is your education?

Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 03:03 PM (p4NUW)

317 nude pedos

Posted by: wth at August 30, 2024 03:03 PM (v0R5T)

318 Preferably you want red meat directly from a rancher but let’s be real here, pretty much all of our food is poisoned to one degree or another. Just do the best you can and red meat is king.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at August 30, 2024 02:58 PM (eZwyX)
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Seen a few studies on it. The most important thing to avoid is "seed oils", or any vegetable oil not out of a press (so olive oil, avocado oil are expected to be fine).

Seed oils create fat that it stresses your body to burn, so unless you have enough antioxidants, your sells end up ordering up glucose and you get the sugar tooth effect.

Seed oils will cause more consumption of sugar. So, they are twice as bad.

Posted by: Axeman at August 30, 2024 03:03 PM (krQz2)

319
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You can splurge on sourdough from time to time, which have a much lower Glycemic Index spike.
Posted by: Axeman at August 30, 2024 02:59 PM (krQz2)

You will have to pry my bagette from my cold dead hands:-P

Posted by: Redbanzai at August 30, 2024 03:04 PM (pU81a)

320 There are people who think that outlawing abortion will also outlaw the medical practice of DNCs which will force women to carry dead fetuses until they pass naturally instead of having them surgically removed.

It's a line that the left passes around.
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Why would Rethuglicans be so evil!?!?

They aren't sweetie. Though have you ever wondered why the D's lie to you?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 30, 2024 03:04 PM (fs1hN)

321 Kombucha helped me to quit drinking soda. Had the bubbles and the flavor and some caffeine so it was a good way to come off two diet cokes per day. Then, after a while, I dropped Kombucha. It was like the vape of drinks. Now, the only thing I really drink besides water are those flavored, Bai, anti-oxidant drinks.

Posted by: Lex at August 30, 2024 03:05 PM (fMN7A)

322 That and cutting out cream and sugar and suffering through black coffee every day has me within a couple pounds of my perfect weight.

You can always go old school and throw a pat of butter in your coffee.
Posted by: bonhomme
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Try a few pinches of salt.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 30, 2024 03:05 PM (Dm8we)

323
Also include the childish ones like my SIL who says she doesn't want anyone to tell her what she can and can't do and that includes having an abortion.

Um, yeah honey, you're 60, so NO, you can't have an abortion 'cause you can't get pregnant anymore. There, I just told you what you can't do.
Posted by: hobbitopoly at August 30, 2024 03:01 PM (k9OZB)

Did she wear masks, social distance and lockdown during the "Troubles?" Cause someone told her to do that too!

Posted by: Moki at August 30, 2024 03:05 PM (wLjpr)

324 If you are asking in general and do not have health issues, red meat is a fine source of protein to add into a rotation.
Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 02:56 PM (p4NUW)

"...into a rotation."

I think that's key. I love beef. But then I do pork, and chicken, maybe ham, so I can get back to the beef.

Posted by: Lady Who Always Has a Burning Question at August 30, 2024 03:05 PM (JCLJi)

325
I'm going to say that's 100% pure baloney.

I can't think of anything in chemistry that would make that true.

Unless, maybe cooking twice somehow dissolves more starch from the spaghetti so there's less there. But, even that sounds off.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 30

I am at a loss here, too. I mean glucose in a potato will start to break down making it taste sweeter if you refrigerate it after cooking, but not sure about this pasta theory.

Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 03:05 PM (p4NUW)

326 RFK, Jr.'s VP candidate, Nicole Shanahan, posted a hard-hitting campaign ad titled "Trump Derangement Syndrome" on X in a parody of a pharmaceutical promotion (which she calls "Independence). Impressive.

Posted by: mrp at August 30, 2024 03:06 PM (rj6Yv)

327 No, if you consume too many calories, in theory, even protein would be converted into adipocyte tissue (fat cells).

Ya gotta get both protein and fat. That's why all those hydrogenated chemistry set fats were invented. Wartime shortages led to starvation.

A person can easily eat 15 pounds of lean elk or deer a day, and guess what - without anything else, still be ravenously hungry, weak, and get sick as hell, because it is so lean. This is very common in survival situations over time.

Don't overlook the importance of fats in your "prepping", if you don't understand this.

Posted by: It Just Makes Sense Now That I Think About It at August 30, 2024 03:06 PM (SRAJ/)

328 3 weeks post op recovery for inguinal hernia (accidentally ripped myself a new one). Back better than ever. Doing 3 sets of 17 reps of pull ups, chin ups and dips (each twice a week over 6 days), back to heavy weights and resumed core work outs. Last 5 k was under 10 minutes miles and I hit 174 (181 down from 355). Have maintained over 100lbs weight loss for over a year as of Aug 7.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at August 30, 2024 03:06 PM (IWZO4)

329 I avoid the ones that make me fart, too.

Adolph out front should have told you.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 30, 2024 03:06 PM (WE5Gl)

330 My mother said Teddy, of all the Kennedys, was actually good-looking when he was young.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at August 30, 2024 02:53 PM (bJKVo)
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I've seen pictures of young Ted, and hard disagree.
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2024 02:56 PM (w840E)

That was the one with square head, right?

Posted by: Lady Who Always Has a Burning Question at August 30, 2024 03:06 PM (JCLJi)

331 If you are rich, one can afford a priceless vampiric radioactive steroid baby nerve juice drink.
Me, diet Pepsi.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at August 30, 2024 03:06 PM (hXIua)

332 You are forgetting all the folks who want abortion available for their daughters so their life isn't "ruined" by a baby.

Lots and lots of Moms like that.
Posted by: Just Lily at August 30, 2024 03:01 PM (iBpLn)

If they'd been decent parents in the first place, their daughters wouldn't be getting knocked up.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 30, 2024 03:07 PM (dGCAG)

333
If you cut one slice of bread out of your diet - in a years time:

120 calories per slice X 365 days in a year = 43,800 calories.

If a pound of fat = 4,000 calories, that is nearly 11 less pounds, possible.

Make a sandwich with a single slice of bread, it works. So easy.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 30, 2024 03:07 PM (RKVpM)

334 I've read Rice will undergo some sort of phase-change on the 2nd day or so upon refrigeration that makes the glucose a bit less "spikey" or something like that.

Posted by: It Just Makes Sense Now That I Think About It at August 30, 2024 03:07 PM (SRAJ/)

335 Well if RFK can get 'health mom' types to associate the DC crowd with the mega corporations they already distrust; hurry for America.

This is a *big* thing with the Climate Change group. They will scream "big oil paid you" to any skeptics and completely ignore that the government pays 100 times more scientists to say what the government wants them to say.

Posted by: PaleRider at August 30, 2024 03:07 PM (UKUm3)

336 I had a weird gainzzz the other night.

I was stuck on a part of the novel I'm writing, so a couple of days later,

I have a dream that presents itself as a movie with a title that is perfect for the chapter. The movie is a very clear and cool version of how to resolve the part I was stuck on.

So, there you go...Bizarro dream gainzz.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 30, 2024 03:08 PM (eDfFs)

337 Posted by: Axeman at August 30, 2024 03:03 PM (krQz2)

Yes. Seed oils used to be machine lubricant and then we got lied into using it and stopped using lard and tallow. I truly hate the people that allowed this to happen.

As an anecdotal story about the power of animal protein and fats I will tell you about my son. He was born fairly early, doctors said he would miss most of his milestones and be behind in most things at his 6 month check up.

I researched my ass off and came to the conclusion that animal products, red meat specifically, seemed like the key. Well it was. At his next check up the nurse thought we brought a different kid in, when the doctors saw his chart he didn’t believe it and measured himself.

Animal protein and fat is the key to health and development.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at August 30, 2024 03:08 PM (eZwyX)

338 TLDR - as of today, Trump wins, Senate goes GOP by a little, House goes Dem.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (5p7BC)

We gotta change that House calculation.

Posted by: Redbanzai at August 30, 2024 03:10 PM (pU81a)

339
Nicole Shanahan's "Trump Derangement Syndrome" video.

LINK: https://tinyurl.com/nxjjuv2z

Pretty darn good.

Posted by: mrp at August 30, 2024 03:10 PM (rj6Yv)

340 The weekend is coming

Posted by: Skip at August 30, 2024 03:11 PM (Ep5Oo)

341
If they'd been decent parents in the first place, their daughters wouldn't be getting knocked up.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 30, 2024 03:07 PM (dGCAG)

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Truth.

However, finding chaperones and vigilant men folk who watch over the women folk is not as easy as just telling girls to kill their kids.

And also, and possibly mostly, there is no money in it for Planned Parenthood and the politicians they support.

Posted by: Just Lily at August 30, 2024 03:13 PM (iBpLn)

342
Seed oils will cause more consumption of sugar. So, they are twice as bad.
Posted by: Axeman at August

So the issue with seed oils is confusing and the empirical evidence is not panning out to show this. There is a lot of noise around the ratio of omega 6 and omega 3s, both essential. There is also a lot of hullabaloo over inflammation, etc. the problem is, if you look at the studies, the food used were all highly processed and highly sugared plus seed oils, which hardly seems conclusive for anything except highly processed, highly sugared foods are no bueno.

We can get into Linoleic acid and arachidonic acid if you want, but arachidonic acid is a by product of many foods, not just seed oils.

Posted by: Piper at August 30, 2024 03:14 PM (p4NUW)

343 TLDR - as of today, Trump wins, Senate goes GOP by a little, House goes Dem.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 30, 2024 02:54 PM (5p7BC)

So, outside of EO's, Trump gets nothing done and we're f*cked for 4 more years.

Wonderful.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden
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Stack DoJ with people out to get the Dems... then arrest them for 'insurrection'.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 30, 2024 03:19 PM (/lPRQ)

344 Titles for sale. Electric Chopstick
I don't write stories, just titles. The above title goes for $67.99.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at August 30, 2024 03:20 PM (hXIua)

345 Is there a clear distinction between a "Suburban Health Mom", and your standard everyday "Wine Mom"?

LOL

Posted by: Pastorius at August 30, 2024 03:25 PM (z6Sq8)

346 Started carnivore diet feeling healthier already

Posted by: texanonanisland at August 30, 2024 03:47 PM (HWmU5)

347 Hex bar PR today.

Posted by: Knemon at August 30, 2024 03:54 PM (doxvW)

348 I won't get diabetes from not listening to the experts. I am going to get it from not listening to my own inner voice.

This shit isn't hard.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at August 30, 2024 03:56 PM (Z8Yh2)

349 "Make a sandwich with a single slice of bread, it works. So easy."

I make "keto bread" with a bread maker. Pretty good, not sure on carb/fat per slice. Toasted is even better. But I haven't made it in a few months.

Many swear by the carnivore diet, idk. I take a bunch of supplements, but about a half or fourth of the "recommended" amount. Also do some broccoli once in a while, and some fiber pills. BP is still on the high side though.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 30, 2024 03:58 PM (Cus5s)

350 Stopping voter fraud will do more for a Trump win than anything this radical can bring to Trump. Given Trump's questionable betrayal of pro life voters yesterday I wonder who is advising Trump.

Posted by: Jane at August 30, 2024 04:37 PM (bXvrr)

351 ___ IMG

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