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THE MORNING RANT: Manufacturer of Sharpie Pens Is Repatriating Jobs from China Due in Part to Trump’s Tariffs
“Sharpie-maker Newell moves more operations from China as tariffs loom” [Reuters – 8/06/2024]
Sharpie pen maker Newell Brands is moving some production of kitchen appliances out of China and has relocated manufacturing for its writing business to Tennessee as it faces “uncertainty” on tariffs ahead of the U.S. presidential election, Newell CEO Chris Peterson said in an interview with Reuters.Mr. Peterson clearly understands that there is not a US political party that is going to fight to remove tariffs against China right now.
“Trump is talking about very large tariffs on China imports,” said Peterson, adding that Democrats are discussing keeping those that are already in place, originally from Trump's first term as U.S. President and expanded this year. “There's a lot of uncertainty. We just want to reduce our exposure regardless of the outcome.But isn’t domestic manufacturing more expensive? The cost of transporting shipping containers over the Pacific Ocean from China to the US West Coast has swung wildly over the past four years, ranging from about $4,000 per container to $20,000. It’s hard to budget when the shipping costs are suddenly prone to a 5-fold spike. The costs and hassles of importing from overseas have also been exacerbated by operational backlogs and breakdowns in West Coast ports.
Newell is automating its U.S. manufacturing to make the higher wages in the United States work, he said, adding that moving production to the country also saves on time and volatile freight costs. "If you have a plant that is automated enough, the economics work," he said. "That's our sweet spot."Meanwhile, shipping through the Red Sea to the Atlantic means your goods will have to navigate through hostile shelling.
U.S. companies importing goods from Asia have faced a series of crises over the last several years, including tariffs, delays and skyrocketing costs during the pandemic, and, most recently, Houthi rebels attacking container ships passing through the Suez canal.Not all Newell manufacturing operations are coming stateside, but most are exiting China. Some are going to Vietnam, Thailand, and Indonesia. Again, tariffs are a contributing factor, but the need to reduce the concentration of facilities in China is evident.
The Atlanta-based company this year accelerated its earlier efforts to slash its dependence on China for manufacturing, Peterson said on a July 26 conference call with investors. Newell expects to have less than 10% of the company's U.S. business exposed to Chinese manufacturing by the end of next year, versus about 15% currently, Peterson said. Five years ago, the figure was around 35%, he said.A constant in manufacturing is that improved machine tools will reduce the amount of labor required per unit of production. Those of us who champion domestic manufacturing are not calling for a sweatshop full of laborers sitting at tables, rather we want US workers operating the machinery, and we want to see the country benefit from all the employment created by related jobs and supplier operations that naturally occur around industrial facilities.
The company is in the midst of a productivity initiative, including automating manufacturing, that is aimed at turning the business around and boosting its margins. "We're moving to jobs where people are managing the robots and managing the automation," he said, adding that the change is leading the company to pay higher wages. "My objective is to get our average wage in our manufacturing plant up significantly, by transitioning our workforce away from manual labor into more skilled labor," he said. "If we do that well, we can repatriate more manufacturing back to the U.S."Again, there are numerous downsides to tariffs, and I don’t believe that tariffs are the sole reason that Newell is repatriating jobs from China to the US. However, those “free traders” doing chest bumps while taunting displaced workers that their jobs weren’t coming back are starting to be proved wrong. There is a sound business reason to start bringing those jobs back. [buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]
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Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:00 AM (HnUIn)
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Top 3?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 26, 2024 11:00 AM (J2vNu)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 26, 2024 11:00 AM (gM74u)
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I would presume that any trade with China would never be "fair."
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 26, 2024 11:02 AM (Q4IgG)
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I, too, was free trade where it was cost effective. But it’s always our side getting the shaft. I hope we bring more manufacturing home and I hope unions don’t mess it up - again.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:02 AM (p4NUW)
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The problem remains: how do decent American wages compete with Chinese slave wages?
Posted by: Charles Martel at August 26, 2024 11:02 AM (EBbHR)
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If we had a government that played for our side I would get behind "free" trade. We don't so I won't.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at August 26, 2024 11:03 AM (17s+e)
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2 Top 3?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
According to the Doof rule, firsts by cobs don't count. Therefore, you were actually first. Congrats!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
According to the Doof rule, firsts by cobs don't count. Therefore, you were actually first. Congrats!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 26, 2024 11:03 AM (v6JzV)
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I use Sharpies.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob - the camps will be the most joyous ever! at August 26, 2024 11:03 AM (GB41n)
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Every "new" country...Have revolution...get flag...build steel mill...dump steel in U.S.
Posted by: BignJames at August 26, 2024 11:03 AM (AwYPR)
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The primary pro-tariff argument is that tariffs will bring home manufacturing jobs that have been outsourced to countries with low labor costs.
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Back in the day, maybe. Purely protectionist tariffs are a thing, and they usually have bad outcomes in terms of cost and quality alike.
But those aren't the only tariffs. There are also revenue tariffs. There are various parity tariffs (environmental and labor policy parity, for example, which are closely related to protectionist tariffs but marginally distinct). There are also foreign policy tariffs, which are a diplomatic tool that sit between normal negotiation and actual hot war.
Free trade absolutism prevents protectionist tariffs, but also prevents foreign policy tariffs. It surrendered a powerful policy tool.
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Back in the day, maybe. Purely protectionist tariffs are a thing, and they usually have bad outcomes in terms of cost and quality alike.
But those aren't the only tariffs. There are also revenue tariffs. There are various parity tariffs (environmental and labor policy parity, for example, which are closely related to protectionist tariffs but marginally distinct). There are also foreign policy tariffs, which are a diplomatic tool that sit between normal negotiation and actual hot war.
Free trade absolutism prevents protectionist tariffs, but also prevents foreign policy tariffs. It surrendered a powerful policy tool.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:03 AM (HnUIn)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:04 AM (GBKbO)
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I like Sharpies for work, only thing that can mark metal
Posted by: Skip at August 26, 2024 11:04 AM (fwDg9)
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Piper there is a mix of unions, taxes, and the biggy REGULATIONS. Regulations are what make doing business in the USA so expensive.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at August 26, 2024 11:04 AM (17s+e)
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They're getting to be more like us every day!
Suspect in Germany Mass Stabbing Had Deportation Order But Was Not Removed
Suspect in Germany Mass Stabbing Had Deportation Order But Was Not Removed
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 11:04 AM (L/fGl)
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Newell's outstanding domestic competitor, Sterilite, has long since automated manufacturing, to great effect.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 26, 2024 11:05 AM (7NRlb)
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It's pronounced "Shar-PAY".
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at August 26, 2024 11:05 AM (LxER7)
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If I had to state my opinion on trade now, it would be that I am a “fair trader,” but “fairness” and reciprocity alone are not enough.
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I'd settle for reciprocity and foreign policy. Free trade does indeed appear to maximize outcomes - but only if there is a fairly even playing field (that is, reciprocity). Asymmetrical free trade is a disaster, and the core premise of "they become rich and liberal before we become poor" was wrong. It mixed up causality. We weren't free because we were rich, we were rich because we were free.
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I'd settle for reciprocity and foreign policy. Free trade does indeed appear to maximize outcomes - but only if there is a fairly even playing field (that is, reciprocity). Asymmetrical free trade is a disaster, and the core premise of "they become rich and liberal before we become poor" was wrong. It mixed up causality. We weren't free because we were rich, we were rich because we were free.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:05 AM (HnUIn)
Posted by: EPA, OSHA, Unions, IRS, SEC at August 26, 2024 11:06 AM (wKqZM)
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The Trump tariffs are now giving companies an excuse to unwind their exposure to this fad, and also to extricate themselves from being deeply enmeshed in a hostile country that the United States might be engaging militarily in coming years.
It was always incredible to me that the heads of American manufacturing simply refused to understand that the goal of the Chinese was not to manufacture cheaply, it was to steal every jot and tittle of our know-how, and then tell us to get bent.
It was always incredible to me that the heads of American manufacturing simply refused to understand that the goal of the Chinese was not to manufacture cheaply, it was to steal every jot and tittle of our know-how, and then tell us to get bent.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:06 AM (xCA6C)
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Tariffs were how governments collected the money for operation. And excise taxes. Before personal income taxes were enacted.
After all, the fledgling American colonies could not hope to compete with Great Britain on textiles, machine tools, or much of anything really.
"Free Trade" was always and ever a joke. I was just a green kid and it was obvious that there was no comparison between labor costs. If American industry operates under OSHA EPA Workers Comp, Social Security, and myriad other laws state and local, flooding the zone with state-subsidized goods will destroy them.
The corporations will move operations overseas, which they did, or import the cheap labor, which they also did.
"They" also insist on a Welfare State With Open Borders.
After all, the fledgling American colonies could not hope to compete with Great Britain on textiles, machine tools, or much of anything really.
"Free Trade" was always and ever a joke. I was just a green kid and it was obvious that there was no comparison between labor costs. If American industry operates under OSHA EPA Workers Comp, Social Security, and myriad other laws state and local, flooding the zone with state-subsidized goods will destroy them.
The corporations will move operations overseas, which they did, or import the cheap labor, which they also did.
"They" also insist on a Welfare State With Open Borders.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 26, 2024 11:06 AM (HNLv4)
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“Trump is talking about very large tariffs on China imports,” said Peterson, adding that Democrats are discussing keeping those that are already in place, originally from Trump's first term as U.S. President and expanded this year. “There's a lot of uncertainty. We just want to reduce our exposure regardless of the outcome.
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"Don't put all of your eggs in one basket" is solid practice. It leads to much more robustness than single-sourcing.
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"Don't put all of your eggs in one basket" is solid practice. It leads to much more robustness than single-sourcing.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:06 AM (HnUIn)
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I just flipped to the CBC and for some reason I don't give a damn about, Canada is slapping a 100% tariff on Chinese EV's (fuck you mother Gaia!) and 25% on Chinese steel.
Some cheques apparently didn't clear....
Some cheques apparently didn't clear....
Posted by: Stateless at August 26, 2024 11:06 AM (jvJvP)
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I ordered some 'Hanes' underwear through Amazon. Solid 'merican company I thought. Wrong. Made in Vietnam.
I only hate Vietnam a little less then China. I think it is a net positive to spread the risk around a little.
I ordered some 'Hanes' underwear through Amazon. Solid 'merican company I thought. Wrong. Made in Vietnam.
I only hate Vietnam a little less then China. I think it is a net positive to spread the risk around a little.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 26, 2024 11:07 AM (RKVpM)
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One of the best books I read last year was "Free Trade Doesn't Work" by Ian Fletcher, which I learned about from one of the posts at the Meditations on the Tree of Woe Substack: "Against Free Trade." That article does a great job of compressing the entire book into a five-minute read. Eye-opening stuff.
Posted by: hadavar at August 26, 2024 11:07 AM (u0fZd)
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14 Piper there is a mix of unions, taxes, and the biggy REGULATIONS. Regulations are what make doing business in the USA so expensive.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and
I am biased with my background, I admit it.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and
I am biased with my background, I admit it.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:07 AM (pZEOD)
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Willowed:
There are something like 5,000 chemicals in cigarette smoke, but usually only three in vape 'juice'. Much less harmful.
I bet there aren't 5000 compounds in unadulterated tobacco smoke, only in the corporate product.
Posted by: t-bird
There isn't. But then again, unadulterated tobacco won't stay lit & doesn't burn evenly.
There are something like 5,000 chemicals in cigarette smoke, but usually only three in vape 'juice'. Much less harmful.
I bet there aren't 5000 compounds in unadulterated tobacco smoke, only in the corporate product.
Posted by: t-bird
There isn't. But then again, unadulterated tobacco won't stay lit & doesn't burn evenly.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at August 26, 2024 11:07 AM (V26+p)
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Piper
Congratulations on the Garrett-Buster app to your membership card. You are one of the few that can carry that off with panache.
Congratulations on the Garrett-Buster app to your membership card. You are one of the few that can carry that off with panache.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 26, 2024 11:07 AM (u82oZ)
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I've been involved in international business for many years. Anyone who thinks there is such a thing as free trade in international business is seriously mistaken. It does not exist.
US businesses operate at a severe handicap in many industries doing international business. Call them tariffs, incentives, bribes, whatever you want but most other countries including our supposed western allies are much more protective of their companies and their markets than the US where the government pretends to make free trade agreements and then takes either a hands off or worse a punitive approach toward their own companies and markets.
US businesses operate at a severe handicap in many industries doing international business. Call them tariffs, incentives, bribes, whatever you want but most other countries including our supposed western allies are much more protective of their companies and their markets than the US where the government pretends to make free trade agreements and then takes either a hands off or worse a punitive approach toward their own companies and markets.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2024 11:07 AM (LkLld)
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/pretends to be shocked
You mean that when you stop making it advantageous to destroy American jobs, the companies create jobs here!?!??
/faints
You mean that when you stop making it advantageous to destroy American jobs, the companies create jobs here!?!??
/faints
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 26, 2024 11:07 AM (N1DT3)
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23 I just flipped to the CBC and for some reason I don't give a damn about, Canada is slapping a 100% tariff on Chinese EV's (fuck you mother Gaia!) and 25% on Chinese steel.
Some cheques apparently didn't clear....
Posted by: Stateless at August 26, 2024 11:06 AM (jvJvP)
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"These tariffs are fine because Trudeau's heart is pure. Trump's tariffs will be bad because Trudeau's heart is not pure."
-The NYT's Financial Editorial
Some cheques apparently didn't clear....
Posted by: Stateless at August 26, 2024 11:06 AM (jvJvP)
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"These tariffs are fine because Trudeau's heart is pure. Trump's tariffs will be bad because Trudeau's heart is not pure."
-The NYT's Financial Editorial
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:08 AM (GBKbO)
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Some cheques apparently didn't clear....
Posted by: Stateless
Uh oh. Brit spelling alert. I think we need to do a background check on this one.
Posted by: Stateless
Uh oh. Brit spelling alert. I think we need to do a background check on this one.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 26, 2024 11:08 AM (v6JzV)
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It is my considered opinion that corporate leaders are largely a bunch of brain-dead, short-sighted, slavishly-trend-following fad-addicted faggitz who failed upward into their positions through having the right pedigree and connections.
Posted by: Just an opinion. at August 26, 2024 11:08 AM (tMq8W)
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Sounds like Republican baseball.
Red Sox Catcher Danny Jansen To Become 1st Player In MLB History To Play For Both Teams In Same Game
Red Sox Catcher Danny Jansen To Become 1st Player In MLB History To Play For Both Teams In Same Game
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 11:08 AM (L/fGl)
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That quote by Scott Adams is perfect.
”Tariffs can be a bad idea, unless protecting a domestic industry being targeted by a foreign country. But NOT threatening to use tariffs is a bigger mistake. Trade is a rolling negotiation. And sometimes implementing tariffs is necessary to remain credible.”
I couldn't have said it better myself, and that's not something I say lightly.
”Tariffs can be a bad idea, unless protecting a domestic industry being targeted by a foreign country. But NOT threatening to use tariffs is a bigger mistake. Trade is a rolling negotiation. And sometimes implementing tariffs is necessary to remain credible.”
I couldn't have said it better myself, and that's not something I say lightly.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:08 AM (xCA6C)
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34 Sounds like Republican baseball.
Red Sox Catcher Danny Jansen To Become 1st Player In MLB History To Play For Both Teams In Same Game
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 11:08 AM (L/fGl)
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A trade taking effect in the middle of game time?
That's JD Vance weird.
Red Sox Catcher Danny Jansen To Become 1st Player In MLB History To Play For Both Teams In Same Game
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 11:08 AM (L/fGl)
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A trade taking effect in the middle of game time?
That's JD Vance weird.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:09 AM (GBKbO)
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Not all Newell manufacturing operations are coming stateside, but most are exiting China. Some are going to Vietnam, Thailand, and Indonesia. Again, tariffs are a contributing factor, but the need to reduce the concentration of facilities in China is evident.
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This is a growing trend, especially in lower-value manufacturing. High tech is harder to move (as Apple and Foxconn are learning with India), but a lot of stuff is much easier.
The "who will replace China" question is irrelevant and insensible. Nobody will. There will never again be "the world's factory" like China. It will be distributed, as is much more sensible and safer. Not everything will "come home." *Most* stuff probably won't "come home" - but that doesn't mean that a whole lot of stuff is going to stay put in China forever.
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This is a growing trend, especially in lower-value manufacturing. High tech is harder to move (as Apple and Foxconn are learning with India), but a lot of stuff is much easier.
The "who will replace China" question is irrelevant and insensible. Nobody will. There will never again be "the world's factory" like China. It will be distributed, as is much more sensible and safer. Not everything will "come home." *Most* stuff probably won't "come home" - but that doesn't mean that a whole lot of stuff is going to stay put in China forever.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:09 AM (HnUIn)
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Willowed of course, so carrying it forward.
Tim Allen
@ofctimallen
Never took the time in all my years to ever read and really read the Bible. Currently almost through the Jerusalem Bible Old Testament and almost done with the Prophets. Next up to New Testament. So far amazing and not at all what I was expecting.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 10:52 AM (L/fGl)
He's probably doing The Story, which is a year long bible study with it's own book.
You remember Sunday school stories from childhood but the adult understanding of the same thing is so much different.
Tim Allen
@ofctimallen
Never took the time in all my years to ever read and really read the Bible. Currently almost through the Jerusalem Bible Old Testament and almost done with the Prophets. Next up to New Testament. So far amazing and not at all what I was expecting.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 10:52 AM (L/fGl)
He's probably doing The Story, which is a year long bible study with it's own book.
You remember Sunday school stories from childhood but the adult understanding of the same thing is so much different.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 26, 2024 11:09 AM (FCbAQ)
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I used to believe in “free trade” when I believed that there would be plenty of other jobs to make up for the lost manufacturing jobs. But time and experience has shown me that there aren’t, that it all was just a bright shining lie that degraded the country terribly.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 26, 2024 11:09 AM (gBVkZ)
Posted by: DaveA at August 26, 2024 11:09 AM (FhXTo)
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Again, there are numerous downsides to tariffs, and I don’t believe that tariffs are the sole reason that Newell is repatriating jobs from China to the US. ...
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Definitely not. And he isn't even on the leading edge of the curve in this regard.
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Definitely not. And he isn't even on the leading edge of the curve in this regard.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:10 AM (HnUIn)
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28 Piper
Congratulations on the Garrett-Buster app to your membership card. You are one of the few that can carry that off with panache.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 26
Why thank you!
Congratulations on the Garrett-Buster app to your membership card. You are one of the few that can carry that off with panache.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 26
Why thank you!
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:10 AM (p4NUW)
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I like Sharpies for work, only thing that can mark metal
The cheapskate's (i.e. my) substitute for Dykem.
The cheapskate's (i.e. my) substitute for Dykem.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:10 AM (/y8xj)
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I ordered some 'Hanes' underwear through Amazon. Solid 'merican company I thought. Wrong. Made in Vietnam.
There really are some jobs that Americans won't do for a competitive price. Clothing assembly tops that list, unless you want to pay $80 for a pair of boxers.
There really are some jobs that Americans won't do for a competitive price. Clothing assembly tops that list, unless you want to pay $80 for a pair of boxers.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:10 AM (xCA6C)
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Thx Buck. Even if we can get the government out of the way and rebuild manufacturing here in the US, the workers don't exist to fill the jobs. Addiction, government handouts and people just not wanting to work make a manufacturing rebound almost impossible.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 26, 2024 11:10 AM (aYl1o)
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Piper there is a mix of unions, taxes, and the biggy REGULATIONS. Regulations are what make doing business in the USA so expensive.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable
UNIONS are what makes doing business in the USA so expensive.
Payroll is a fixed cost. Until it gets ratcheted up every year thru "bargaining".
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable
UNIONS are what makes doing business in the USA so expensive.
Payroll is a fixed cost. Until it gets ratcheted up every year thru "bargaining".
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at August 26, 2024 11:10 AM (V26+p)
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Sharpies - the fine-point ones - are ideal for labeling vacuum seal bags for freezing stuff. Everything that gets vacuum sealed and loaded into the freezer gets a label with the date and the contents.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:11 AM (HnUIn)
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willowed:
426 236 https://is.gd/TDwkRo
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,
WTH was Melania doing in that?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 26, 2024 10:20 AM (v6JzV)
that's not melania.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at August 26, 2024 11:10 AM (Rbu5d)
426 236 https://is.gd/TDwkRo
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,
WTH was Melania doing in that?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 26, 2024 10:20 AM (v6JzV)
that's not melania.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at August 26, 2024 11:10 AM (Rbu5d)
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at August 26, 2024 11:11 AM (Rbu5d)
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There isn't. But then again, unadulterated tobacco won't stay lit & doesn't burn evenly.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at August 26, 2024 11:07 AM (V26+p)
The Cohibas...the Cuban ones..I've had , did.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at August 26, 2024 11:07 AM (V26+p)
The Cohibas...the Cuban ones..I've had , did.
Posted by: BignJames at August 26, 2024 11:11 AM (AwYPR)
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Yeah, you two deserve each other.
Retired Soccer Star Megan Rapinoe Wants To See Colin Kaepernick At The 2028 Olympics: “He’s My Flag Bearer”
Retired Soccer Star Megan Rapinoe Wants To See Colin Kaepernick At The 2028 Olympics: “He’s My Flag Bearer”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 11:11 AM (L/fGl)
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The same arguments for free trade are also there for open borders. If all you care about is commerce and the the US is just a "trading zone", it follows you dont care about the long term consequences of national identity.
I really blame the Koch Brothers for making free trade this sacrosanct platform for the GOP.
I really blame the Koch Brothers for making free trade this sacrosanct platform for the GOP.
Posted by: Blago at August 26, 2024 11:12 AM (wMRY8)
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As I have often stated, I was once a proud free-trader who believed in the benefits of reciprocal free trade, but I soon felt betrayed when I saw that “principled free traders” actually had no interest in reciprocity. Instead, they advocated for “unilateral free trade” – in other words they advocated for a surrender to foreign mercantilism, thus providing foreign countries barrier-free access to the US economy, while also keeping barriers in place to keep US exports out of their countries.
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Not to mention providing a very large communist country with the economic means to become a military threat. You can tell it’s all a scam because neoconservatives never broach that dichotomy other than to say that countries that trade with each other do not attack each other, an obvious falsehood demonstrated by all of human history.
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Not to mention providing a very large communist country with the economic means to become a military threat. You can tell it’s all a scam because neoconservatives never broach that dichotomy other than to say that countries that trade with each other do not attack each other, an obvious falsehood demonstrated by all of human history.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 26, 2024 11:12 AM (lLoAf)
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Free trade doesn't work when one country has labor that is 'free'.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 26, 2024 11:12 AM (rvx4r)
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Uh oh. Brit spelling alert. I think we need to do a background check on this one.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 26, 2024 11:08 AM
Hold onto your trousers mate, I'm in favour of that spelling.
Uh oh. Brit spelling alert. I think we need to do a background check on this one.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 26, 2024 11:08 AM
Hold onto your trousers mate, I'm in favour of that spelling.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 26, 2024 11:12 AM (RKVpM)
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Retired Soccer Star Megan Rapinoe Wants To See Colin Kaepernick At The 2028 Olympics: “He’s My Flag Bearer”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 11:11 AM (L/fGl)
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Huh? Did somebody put LSD in my coffee this morning? What the hell does this even mean?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 11:11 AM (L/fGl)
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Huh? Did somebody put LSD in my coffee this morning? What the hell does this even mean?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:12 AM (HnUIn)
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39 I used to believe in “free trade” when I believed that there would be plenty of other jobs to make up for the lost manufacturing jobs. But time and experience has shown me that there aren’t, that it all was just a bright shining lie that degraded the country terribly.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 26, 2024 11:09 AM (gBVkZ)
Perot was a nut but he was right about NAFTA
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 26, 2024 11:09 AM (gBVkZ)
Perot was a nut but he was right about NAFTA
Posted by: Now we have a different sucking sound at August 26, 2024 11:12 AM (tMq8W)
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I keep telling you that you'll need to keep your guns locked and loaded. Michigan is a clear-cut example why:
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https://tinyurl.com/f5ka28c3
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 26, 2024 11:12 AM (gM74u)
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A trade taking effect in the middle of game time?
That's JD Vance weird.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:09 AM (GBKbO)
Will he take his uniform off, and run the bases in his skivvies to celebrate the trade?
That's JD Vance weird.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:09 AM (GBKbO)
Will he take his uniform off, and run the bases in his skivvies to celebrate the trade?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 26, 2024 11:13 AM (yGuY2)
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Buck, you mirror my conversion from free trader to fair trader.
Letting other countries target and decimate a domestic industry knowing they're doing it is a moral failing.
There's nothing free or fair about it, and restarting an industry is tougher than keeping it going.
Not to mention the national security implications of offshoring necessities to peers and adversaries puts us in a position of weakness. Free and fair indeed.
Letting other countries target and decimate a domestic industry knowing they're doing it is a moral failing.
There's nothing free or fair about it, and restarting an industry is tougher than keeping it going.
Not to mention the national security implications of offshoring necessities to peers and adversaries puts us in a position of weakness. Free and fair indeed.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 26, 2024 11:13 AM (FCbAQ)
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Red Sox Catcher Danny Jansen To Become 1st Player In MLB History To Play For Both Teams In Same Game
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 11:08 AM (L/fGl)
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Pronouns: they/them
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 11:08 AM (L/fGl)
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Pronouns: they/them
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 26, 2024 11:13 AM (7NRlb)
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Solid 'merican company I thought. Wrong. Made in Vietnam.
very, very few textiles are made in the USA. They simply can't compete. If you want clothing not made in Asia, you really have to search (and pay) for it.
very, very few textiles are made in the USA. They simply can't compete. If you want clothing not made in Asia, you really have to search (and pay) for it.
Posted by: brak at August 26, 2024 11:13 AM (25k9m)
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Well, this makes it make more sense:
"Jansen, a catcher, who was a member of the Blue Jays at the time, was in the middle of an at-bat when the game was suspended due to weather. About a month later, he was traded to Boston."
"Jansen, a catcher, who was a member of the Blue Jays at the time, was in the middle of an at-bat when the game was suspended due to weather. About a month later, he was traded to Boston."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:14 AM (GBKbO)
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Buck, excellent post as always.
The tariff argument is, as with most things, more complicated than what you hear on the news. Trump made a good case that while there might be an inflationary component to tariffs, they are an important negotiating tool as well. As such, it would be stupid not to use it.
I've evolved to the same place you are with them, btw. In the 90s, I was happy to see NAFTA pass, as unions were (and still are) a mortal enemy of conservatives, and their loss was my gain. My mistake was that the unions were actually right about what the loss of manufacturing jobs would do - and have done - to America.
I guess I'll put that on the increasing list of things that I was wrong on because of my unblinking loyalty to a party and pundit class that was happy to move onto the next big funder that paid their salaries and perks (see: Charen, Mona from today's MoRe post, for instance).
The tariff argument is, as with most things, more complicated than what you hear on the news. Trump made a good case that while there might be an inflationary component to tariffs, they are an important negotiating tool as well. As such, it would be stupid not to use it.
I've evolved to the same place you are with them, btw. In the 90s, I was happy to see NAFTA pass, as unions were (and still are) a mortal enemy of conservatives, and their loss was my gain. My mistake was that the unions were actually right about what the loss of manufacturing jobs would do - and have done - to America.
I guess I'll put that on the increasing list of things that I was wrong on because of my unblinking loyalty to a party and pundit class that was happy to move onto the next big funder that paid their salaries and perks (see: Charen, Mona from today's MoRe post, for instance).
Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 26, 2024 11:14 AM (0CU3H)
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That is a weird image, even for broken-brained AI. A black Sharpie writing white letters, which look painted, not written by marker?
Posted by: spindrift at August 26, 2024 11:14 AM (OguvZ)
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I don't understand the picture.
What is the Sharpie coloring?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024
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Looks like the hull of a rusty boat.
What is the Sharpie coloring?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024
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Looks like the hull of a rusty boat.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 26, 2024 11:14 AM (J2vNu)
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that's not melania.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at August 26, 2024 11:10 AM (Rbu5d)
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker
So, you're saying there are TWO uber hotties in the world who share the exact same uber-hot look?
I'm going with the idea that she was spliced in there.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at August 26, 2024 11:10 AM (Rbu5d)
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker
So, you're saying there are TWO uber hotties in the world who share the exact same uber-hot look?
I'm going with the idea that she was spliced in there.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 26, 2024 11:15 AM (v6JzV)
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Tariffs are inflationary and must be avoided at all cost.
Therefore, we should destroy the ports and harbors of every foreign nation that puts a single tariff on goods from the US.
Therefore, we should destroy the ports and harbors of every foreign nation that puts a single tariff on goods from the US.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:15 AM (GBKbO)
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I huff Sharpies when I run out of cans of computer duster. Purple is my favorite flavour.
Posted by: Copping a Buzz at August 26, 2024 11:15 AM (CV8a5)
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Great to see Newell manufacturing coming back to the USA. But I think the potential for new tariffs -- purely hypothetical at this time -- is just an excuse. The real reason is that manufacturing in China became much more expensive over the last few years, as it always does.
Manufacturing for cheap, simple goods was once done in Hong Kong and Taiwan because it was so cheap. But those markets became much more expensive as they matured and the countries became more affluent. So manufacturing moved to China mainland. I think that's in the process of moving out.
Manufacturing for cheap, simple goods was once done in Hong Kong and Taiwan because it was so cheap. But those markets became much more expensive as they matured and the countries became more affluent. So manufacturing moved to China mainland. I think that's in the process of moving out.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 26, 2024 11:15 AM (iFTx/)
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>>A trade taking effect in the middle of game time?
>>That's JD Vance weird.
Jansen was the catcher for the Blue Jays in a game against the Red Sox that was suspended due to rain. He was traded to the Sox after the game and he's going to be the catcher in the game for the Sox when the game is resumed today.
>>That's JD Vance weird.
Jansen was the catcher for the Blue Jays in a game against the Red Sox that was suspended due to rain. He was traded to the Sox after the game and he's going to be the catcher in the game for the Sox when the game is resumed today.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2024 11:15 AM (LkLld)
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My mistake was that the unions were actually right about what the loss of manufacturing jobs would do - and have done - to America.
Your argument seems to assume that manufacturing jobs wouldn't exist without unions. I argue that unions are a big part of the reason American manufacturing is so uncompetitive.
Your argument seems to assume that manufacturing jobs wouldn't exist without unions. I argue that unions are a big part of the reason American manufacturing is so uncompetitive.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:15 AM (xCA6C)
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A trade taking effect in the middle of game time?
That's JD Vance weird.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles
Actually, game was begun one day but ended because of rain. He was traded then, on a different day, the game was continued.
That's JD Vance weird.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles
Actually, game was begun one day but ended because of rain. He was traded then, on a different day, the game was continued.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 11:16 AM (L/fGl)
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That is a weird image, even for broken-brained AI. A black Sharpie writing white letters, which look painted, not written by marker?
Posted by: spindrift at August 26, 2024 11:14 AM (OguvZ)
Yep. AI big dummy.
Posted by: spindrift at August 26, 2024 11:14 AM (OguvZ)
Yep. AI big dummy.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 26, 2024 11:16 AM (yGuY2)
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Well, this makes it make more sense:
"Jansen, a catcher, who was a member of the Blue Jays at the time, was in the middle of an at-bat when the game was suspended due to weather. About a month later, he was traded to Boston."
The occasional bit of weirdness is part of what I like about baseball.
"Jansen, a catcher, who was a member of the Blue Jays at the time, was in the middle of an at-bat when the game was suspended due to weather. About a month later, he was traded to Boston."
The occasional bit of weirdness is part of what I like about baseball.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:16 AM (/y8xj)
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61 Solid 'merican company I thought. Wrong. Made in Vietnam.
very, very few textiles are made in the USA. They simply can't compete. If you want clothing not made in Asia, you really have to search (and pay) for it.
Posted by: brak at August 26, 2024 11:13 AM (25k9m)
There was a hosiery company in NC that had 100% manufacturing in the USA. Thorlo. Owner passed away a few years ago, the son sold off the brand to some NYC marketing company where it has effectively died. They mill still runs - doing contract manufacturing for what were their competitors.
very, very few textiles are made in the USA. They simply can't compete. If you want clothing not made in Asia, you really have to search (and pay) for it.
Posted by: brak at August 26, 2024 11:13 AM (25k9m)
There was a hosiery company in NC that had 100% manufacturing in the USA. Thorlo. Owner passed away a few years ago, the son sold off the brand to some NYC marketing company where it has effectively died. They mill still runs - doing contract manufacturing for what were their competitors.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 26, 2024 11:16 AM (N39Ws)
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61 Solid 'merican company I thought. Wrong. Made in Vietnam.
very, very few textiles are made in the USA. They simply can't compete. If you want clothing not made in Asia, you really have to search (and pay) for it.
Posted by: brak at August
Beyond Yoga leggings made in the USA. Also why they are $110 a pair.
very, very few textiles are made in the USA. They simply can't compete. If you want clothing not made in Asia, you really have to search (and pay) for it.
Posted by: brak at August
Beyond Yoga leggings made in the USA. Also why they are $110 a pair.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:17 AM (p4NUW)
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Sportsball news follows. Scroll on if not interested.
The NCAA dropped its official Notice of Allegations on Michigan yesterday. No meaningful changes to the draft version Michigan had received from the NCAA a few weeks ago, which was then leaked to ESPN.
Six Level I violations, 5 against individuals and one against the football program itself.
Not part of the NCAA's notice of allegations are former UM defensive coordinator Jesse Minter and former staffer Denard Robinson as they both continue to cooperate with NCAA investigators and are seeking a negotiated settlement.
Michigan now has 90 days to respond.
The NCAA dropped its official Notice of Allegations on Michigan yesterday. No meaningful changes to the draft version Michigan had received from the NCAA a few weeks ago, which was then leaked to ESPN.
Six Level I violations, 5 against individuals and one against the football program itself.
Not part of the NCAA's notice of allegations are former UM defensive coordinator Jesse Minter and former staffer Denard Robinson as they both continue to cooperate with NCAA investigators and are seeking a negotiated settlement.
Michigan now has 90 days to respond.
Posted by: one hour sober at August 26, 2024 11:17 AM (Y1sOo)
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Sharpies - the fine-point ones - are ideal for labeling vacuum seal bags for freezing stuff. Everything that gets vacuum sealed and loaded into the freezer gets a label with the date and the contents.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:11 AM (HnUIn)
Wow. Way to take the excitement out of mealtime.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:11 AM (HnUIn)
Wow. Way to take the excitement out of mealtime.
Posted by: Not knowing is half the fun at August 26, 2024 11:17 AM (tMq8W)
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Some cheques apparently didn't clear....
Posted by: Stateless
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Uh oh. Brit spelling alert. I think we need to do a background check on this one.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 26, 2024
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If required, we can toss him in gaol.
Posted by: Stateless
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Uh oh. Brit spelling alert. I think we need to do a background check on this one.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 26, 2024
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If required, we can toss him in gaol.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 26, 2024 11:17 AM (J2vNu)
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I'm sure people in the butt sharpie community will be pleased to know they sharpies they put up there are made in the usa
Posted by: you wanted to know about this at August 26, 2024 11:17 AM (SWd7w)
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74 "Jansen, a catcher, who was a member of the Blue Jays at the time, was in the middle of an at-bat when the game was suspended due to weather. About a month later, he was traded to Boston."
The occasional bit of weirdness is part of what I like about baseball.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:16 AM (/y8xj)
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He needs to hit a homerun on that at bat.
The occasional bit of weirdness is part of what I like about baseball.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:16 AM (/y8xj)
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He needs to hit a homerun on that at bat.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:17 AM (GBKbO)
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I used to be a free trade absolutist and a globalist. There were two things that changed that.
The first was seeing and living in the aftermath. I lived in upstate NY for a few years. Being in a post-industrial wasteland is fairly bleak. Why was the economy so depressed there? Why didn't it recover from the industrial dislocation? It was supposed to. There were supposed to be new opportunities as a result. Where were they? I was steeped in the policy failure.
The second was a better understanding, as I started looking at more things, of risk. It's risky to be so dependent on places half a world away. 2020 bore that out, too.
The 2008 financial crisis didn't help any, either. The best among the masters of the universe were catastrophically wrong and the rest were committing blatant fraud.
The first was seeing and living in the aftermath. I lived in upstate NY for a few years. Being in a post-industrial wasteland is fairly bleak. Why was the economy so depressed there? Why didn't it recover from the industrial dislocation? It was supposed to. There were supposed to be new opportunities as a result. Where were they? I was steeped in the policy failure.
The second was a better understanding, as I started looking at more things, of risk. It's risky to be so dependent on places half a world away. 2020 bore that out, too.
The 2008 financial crisis didn't help any, either. The best among the masters of the universe were catastrophically wrong and the rest were committing blatant fraud.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:17 AM (HnUIn)
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But isn’t domestic manufacturing more expensive?
Teamwork makes the dream work!
Posted by: EPA, OSHA, Unions, IRS, SEC at August 26, 2024 11:06 AM (wKqZM)
Wait we don't need smart people do we!?
Teamwork makes the dream work!
Posted by: EPA, OSHA, Unions, IRS, SEC at August 26, 2024 11:06 AM (wKqZM)
Wait we don't need smart people do we!?
Posted by: NEA at August 26, 2024 11:17 AM (GB41n)
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"Don't put all of your eggs in one basket" is solid practice. It leads to much more robustness than single-sourcing.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:06 AM (HnUIn)
it's even worse when you bring in vertical integration.
ask me how i know...
"Don't put all of your eggs in one basket" is solid practice. It leads to much more robustness than single-sourcing.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:06 AM (HnUIn)
it's even worse when you bring in vertical integration.
ask me how i know...
Posted by: SturmToddler at August 26, 2024 11:17 AM (v6XNT)
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Buck, there has literally never been an instance of a foreign country "targeting" an American industry in order to put people out of business and take over. It has never happened, and never will. American manufacturing output is the highest it has ever been. Your problems with manufacturing in America have a lot more to do with government intervention, rules, regulations and taxes. I recommend that you properly target you ire at those items rather than at free traders.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at August 26, 2024 11:17 AM (P7Iz+)
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The real reason is that manufacturing in China became much more expensive over the last few years, as it always does.
Manufacturing for cheap, simple goods was once done in Hong Kong and Taiwan because it was so cheap. But those markets became much more expensive as they matured and the countries became more affluent. So manufacturing moved to China mainland. I think that's in the process of moving out.
If Peter Zeihan is to be believed, Chinese manufacturing labor is now 3x as expensive as that in Mexico.
Manufacturing for cheap, simple goods was once done in Hong Kong and Taiwan because it was so cheap. But those markets became much more expensive as they matured and the countries became more affluent. So manufacturing moved to China mainland. I think that's in the process of moving out.
If Peter Zeihan is to be believed, Chinese manufacturing labor is now 3x as expensive as that in Mexico.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:17 AM (xCA6C)
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Manufacturing for cheap, simple goods was once done in Hong Kong and Taiwan because it was so cheap. But those markets became much more expensive as they matured and the countries became more affluent. So manufacturing moved to China mainland. I think that's in the process of moving out.
I think there's also a general weariness of dealing with the CCP and a desire to avoid the political situation there in general (e.g. an potential trade blockade if Xi goes after Taiwan).
I think there's also a general weariness of dealing with the CCP and a desire to avoid the political situation there in general (e.g. an potential trade blockade if Xi goes after Taiwan).
Posted by: Ian S. at August 26, 2024 11:18 AM (2aYv8)
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Holding off having a tariff opinion until Mona Charen chimes in.
Posted by: Woman of my Dreams at August 26, 2024 11:18 AM (CV8a5)
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87 I think there's also a general weariness of dealing with the CCP and a desire to avoid the political situation there in general (e.g. an potential trade blockade if Xi goes after Taiwan).
Posted by: Ian S. at August 26, 2024 11:18 AM (2aYv
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I want Xi's successor to be a hardline communist who nationalizes every foreign entity within China's borders on day 1.
It would entertain me.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 26, 2024 11:18 AM (2aYv
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I want Xi's successor to be a hardline communist who nationalizes every foreign entity within China's borders on day 1.
It would entertain me.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:19 AM (GBKbO)
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Beyond Yoga leggings made in the USA. Also why they are $110 a pair.
Lulu was made in Canada when they first started. Moved everything to China once they got big. Didn't lower the price though.
Lulu was made in Canada when they first started. Moved everything to China once they got big. Didn't lower the price though.
Posted by: brak at August 26, 2024 11:19 AM (25k9m)
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Jansen was the catcher for the Blue Jays in a game against the Red Sox that was suspended due to rain. He was traded to the Sox after the game and he's going to be the catcher in the game for the Sox when the game is resumed today.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2024 11:15 AM (LkLld)
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generating an accurate box score will probably require recoding at mlb.com
JK.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2024 11:15 AM (LkLld)
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generating an accurate box score will probably require recoding at mlb.com
JK.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 26, 2024 11:19 AM (7NRlb)
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Red Sox Catcher Danny Jansen To Become 1st Player In MLB History To Play For Both Teams In Same Game
?! A time-honored tradition in this area.
?! A time-honored tradition in this area.
Posted by: The 1919 Black Sox at August 26, 2024 11:20 AM (+9G3c)
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The Cohibas...the Cuban ones..I've had , did.
Posted by: BignJames
Cigarettes don't.
We used to have pouches of tobacco we gave the indigent imates. Mainly left over cuttings and floor sweepings from possibly RJR. They would have to re-light it for every drag.
Bugler tobacco was fine. But that free stuff was 💩
Posted by: BignJames
Cigarettes don't.
We used to have pouches of tobacco we gave the indigent imates. Mainly left over cuttings and floor sweepings from possibly RJR. They would have to re-light it for every drag.
Bugler tobacco was fine. But that free stuff was 💩
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at August 26, 2024 11:20 AM (V26+p)
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Voted for Perot twice, despite the fact I knew he was going to lose. I knew the free trade types would fvck it up. Which they did.
I *only* lost a manufacturing business worth a couple million (adjusted for inflation). By that time I was burned out from fighting with every three letter govmint agency you can think of.
In the ensuing years the people who voted for free trade sure got wealthy during their term in office. Weird.
Voted for Perot twice, despite the fact I knew he was going to lose. I knew the free trade types would fvck it up. Which they did.
I *only* lost a manufacturing business worth a couple million (adjusted for inflation). By that time I was burned out from fighting with every three letter govmint agency you can think of.
In the ensuing years the people who voted for free trade sure got wealthy during their term in office. Weird.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 26, 2024 11:20 AM (RKVpM)
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>>I think there's also a general weariness of dealing with the CCP and a desire to avoid the political situation there in general (e.g. an potential trade blockade if Xi goes after Taiwan).
When you do business in China you lose all control over your IP. Goes with the territory. Sooner or later you are going to be competing with a product from China that is identical to yours only cheaper.
When you do business in China you lose all control over your IP. Goes with the territory. Sooner or later you are going to be competing with a product from China that is identical to yours only cheaper.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2024 11:20 AM (LkLld)
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"If our country’s ability to function can be crippled by just a handful of bad actors blocking the Panama and Suez Canals, then we should re-think how critical it is to export entire supply chains to the lowest-cost overseas producer."
It should be obvious that if "a handful of bad actors [are] blocking the [...] Canals", that that overseas producer may no longer be lowest cost.
Three years ago, in two separate incidents, I bought some custom keyboard-related stuff: both of these were on-demand small group buys, kind of like Kickstarter, but not. In one case, it was a limited-run keyboard, and in the other, it was a set of custom keycaps. In both cases, due to shenanigans in China, it took just about 3 years for the items to arrive. For these items, it's typical for such an event to take close to a year, but 3 is excessive.
It should be obvious that if "a handful of bad actors [are] blocking the [...] Canals", that that overseas producer may no longer be lowest cost.
Three years ago, in two separate incidents, I bought some custom keyboard-related stuff: both of these were on-demand small group buys, kind of like Kickstarter, but not. In one case, it was a limited-run keyboard, and in the other, it was a set of custom keycaps. In both cases, due to shenanigans in China, it took just about 3 years for the items to arrive. For these items, it's typical for such an event to take close to a year, but 3 is excessive.
Posted by: Rick C at August 26, 2024 11:20 AM (MItL9)
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Camilla Long: What I Saw At The DNC: A Pearl-clutching Cult Of Personality
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Wait. Kamala has a personality?
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Wait. Kamala has a personality?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 11:20 AM (L/fGl)
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Your argument seems to assume that manufacturing jobs wouldn't exist without unions. I argue that unions are a big part of the reason American manufacturing is so uncompetitive.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:15 AM (xCA6C)
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In part, yes. Labor unions faced a problem that is common: they won. Having won, there was no point to their existence. The core problems - workplace safety, hours, wages, etc. - were all solved and in most industries, were solved by the 1950s. So what do you need the union for? Well, nothing. So to stay around and stay relevant, they ran up the score. They captured the NLRB and got plenty of laws to unfairly help them, and then started extracting more and more out of the companies - and the companies played along, because why not? We're all still rich.
That is a bad dynamic. The death of American industry cannot be laid at the feet of the labor unions as such, but the unions are in the crowd. There are also environmental controls that had the same problem (they fixed the problem, so now what), trade policy, huge non-wage costs like medical coverage, etc.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:15 AM (xCA6C)
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In part, yes. Labor unions faced a problem that is common: they won. Having won, there was no point to their existence. The core problems - workplace safety, hours, wages, etc. - were all solved and in most industries, were solved by the 1950s. So what do you need the union for? Well, nothing. So to stay around and stay relevant, they ran up the score. They captured the NLRB and got plenty of laws to unfairly help them, and then started extracting more and more out of the companies - and the companies played along, because why not? We're all still rich.
That is a bad dynamic. The death of American industry cannot be laid at the feet of the labor unions as such, but the unions are in the crowd. There are also environmental controls that had the same problem (they fixed the problem, so now what), trade policy, huge non-wage costs like medical coverage, etc.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:20 AM (HnUIn)
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Beyond Yoga leggings made in the USA. Also why they are $110 a pair.
There are other boutique apparel items that are very expensive, but almost all offer some sort of "social good". "We'll donate a pair of socks to the poorz if you buy our ludicrously priced items". For some reason, this really appeals to the yutes, who then wonder why they can't afford a house.
There are other boutique apparel items that are very expensive, but almost all offer some sort of "social good". "We'll donate a pair of socks to the poorz if you buy our ludicrously priced items". For some reason, this really appeals to the yutes, who then wonder why they can't afford a house.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:21 AM (xCA6C)
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Also not included in the NCAA notice of allegations is former Michigan co-offensive coordinator Matt Weiss, who was fired by the university last year for unauthorized computer access at the campus football building.
The NCAA divorced itself from that issue for the time being as Weiss is currently under investigation by the FBI for possible computer crimes.
The NCAA could open another investigation regarding Weiss’ football-related conduct while on staff at Michigan, depending upon the nature and resolution of whatever the FBI is investigating.
The NCAA divorced itself from that issue for the time being as Weiss is currently under investigation by the FBI for possible computer crimes.
The NCAA could open another investigation regarding Weiss’ football-related conduct while on staff at Michigan, depending upon the nature and resolution of whatever the FBI is investigating.
Posted by: one hour sober at August 26, 2024 11:21 AM (Y1sOo)
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The NCAA dropped its official Notice of Allegations on Michigan yesterday. No meaningful changes to the draft version Michigan had received from the NCAA a few weeks ago, which was then leaked to ESPN.
Six Level I violations, 5 against individuals and one against the football program itself.
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Oops. Oopsie.
Ryan Day thinking "where do I go to get my fan support back"...
Six Level I violations, 5 against individuals and one against the football program itself.
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Oops. Oopsie.
Ryan Day thinking "where do I go to get my fan support back"...
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 26, 2024 11:21 AM (7NRlb)
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Divide by zero: "I ordered some 'Hanes' underwear through Amazon. Solid 'merican company I thought. Wrong. Made in Vietnam."
I think most people don't realize how uncommon it is, to purchase something actually made in the USA.
I'm in American manufacturing -- I run a small manufacturing operation in Ohio. We use fasteners, and we'd prefer to purchase American-made fasteners, but there are almost no options to do this, without paying $0.50 for a screw that's historically cost $0.12 when made in the USA and costs $0.05 when made in China. So we'll purchase a few Chinese fasteners, but 99% of the cost content of our products is domestic.
We employ about 50 people engaged in manufacturing in Ohio, mostly CNC machining and assembly. There are damned few companies that actually still do this.
Most "MADE IN THE USA" companies have Chinese factories that do the actual manufacturing, and then they employ a few Americans whose "value add" is the application of "MADE IN THE USA" stickers -- and those goddamned stickers are made in China too.
I think most people don't realize how uncommon it is, to purchase something actually made in the USA.
I'm in American manufacturing -- I run a small manufacturing operation in Ohio. We use fasteners, and we'd prefer to purchase American-made fasteners, but there are almost no options to do this, without paying $0.50 for a screw that's historically cost $0.12 when made in the USA and costs $0.05 when made in China. So we'll purchase a few Chinese fasteners, but 99% of the cost content of our products is domestic.
We employ about 50 people engaged in manufacturing in Ohio, mostly CNC machining and assembly. There are damned few companies that actually still do this.
Most "MADE IN THE USA" companies have Chinese factories that do the actual manufacturing, and then they employ a few Americans whose "value add" is the application of "MADE IN THE USA" stickers -- and those goddamned stickers are made in China too.
Posted by: Pastafarian at August 26, 2024 11:21 AM (WAMTh)
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Retired Soccer Star Megan Rapinoe Wants To See Colin Kaepernick At The 2028 Olympics: “He’s My Flag Bearer”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 11:11 AM (L/fGl)
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Huh? Did somebody put LSD in my coffee this morning? What the hell does this even mean?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:12 AM (HnUIn)
She's starting her own cuntry and gets to make up the rules?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 11:11 AM (L/fGl)
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Huh? Did somebody put LSD in my coffee this morning? What the hell does this even mean?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:12 AM (HnUIn)
She's starting her own cuntry and gets to make up the rules?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 26, 2024 11:22 AM (FCbAQ)
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The Covid madness told us all we needed to know about how F'd we are should China decide to F us.
No, I'm not talking about them releasing the virus.
I'm talking about how pretty much everything related to Covid came from China. PPE, drugs, testing kits, all of it was imported from the same damn place we got the virus.
And yet, we remain fundamentally dependent, having learned nothing. No wonder Walz is so full of joy.
No, I'm not talking about them releasing the virus.
I'm talking about how pretty much everything related to Covid came from China. PPE, drugs, testing kits, all of it was imported from the same damn place we got the virus.
And yet, we remain fundamentally dependent, having learned nothing. No wonder Walz is so full of joy.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 26, 2024 11:22 AM (KbCG3)
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90 Beyond Yoga leggings made in the USA. Also why they are $110 a pair.
Lulu was made in Canada when they first started. Moved everything to China once they got big. Didn't lower the price though.
Posted by: brak at August 26
I am wearing Lulu right now. I don’t like Lulu, their sizing is so inconsistent. Beyond Yoga is my favorite and I own more than I care to admit. Space dye is the best. But if you want a Lulu feel, in a better quality at a better price point, Tavi is where you should be. But not made is the US.
Lulu was made in Canada when they first started. Moved everything to China once they got big. Didn't lower the price though.
Posted by: brak at August 26
I am wearing Lulu right now. I don’t like Lulu, their sizing is so inconsistent. Beyond Yoga is my favorite and I own more than I care to admit. Space dye is the best. But if you want a Lulu feel, in a better quality at a better price point, Tavi is where you should be. But not made is the US.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:22 AM (p4NUW)
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87 Manufacturing for cheap, simple goods was once done in Hong Kong and Taiwan because it was so cheap. But those markets became much more expensive as they matured and the countries became more affluent. So manufacturing moved to China mainland. I think that's in the process of moving out.
I think there's also a general weariness of dealing with the CCP and a desire to avoid the political situation there in general (e.g. an potential trade blockade if Xi goes after Taiwan).
Posted by: Ian S. at August 26, 2024 11:18 AM (2aYv
I dealt with Chinese manufacturing in a previous company I worked for. Unless you're Apple and have the leverage to demand and enforce quality control, the CCP manufacturers will constantly find ways to cut corners and degrade your product's quality. If you're 10-12 time zones away from where the action is, it's tough to keep track of what they do. Oh, and good luck getting anything out of the country between mid-December and mid-February. The country closes during Chinese New Year.
All told, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
I think there's also a general weariness of dealing with the CCP and a desire to avoid the political situation there in general (e.g. an potential trade blockade if Xi goes after Taiwan).
Posted by: Ian S. at August 26, 2024 11:18 AM (2aYv
I dealt with Chinese manufacturing in a previous company I worked for. Unless you're Apple and have the leverage to demand and enforce quality control, the CCP manufacturers will constantly find ways to cut corners and degrade your product's quality. If you're 10-12 time zones away from where the action is, it's tough to keep track of what they do. Oh, and good luck getting anything out of the country between mid-December and mid-February. The country closes during Chinese New Year.
All told, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 26, 2024 11:22 AM (0CU3H)
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That is a bad dynamic. The death of American industry cannot be laid at the feet of the labor unions as such, but the unions are in the crowd. There are also environmental controls that had the same problem (they fixed the problem, so now what), trade policy, huge non-wage costs like medical coverage, etc.
There is plenty of blame to go around.
There is plenty of blame to go around.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:22 AM (xCA6C)
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Textiles moved from Britain - to New England. And then to the southern states. And then WAY south.
My point along, if certain demands are placed on employers or manufacturing in order to business in the U.S.A. - especially federal - then anyone who wishes to sell their wares within the U.S.A. has to meet those same standards.
How is this not even set in stone? What purpose does government serve, if not "borders", whether the physical or the intellectual? Patents, and copyright. The rest of the world views those kinds of things as quaint notions.
My point along, if certain demands are placed on employers or manufacturing in order to business in the U.S.A. - especially federal - then anyone who wishes to sell their wares within the U.S.A. has to meet those same standards.
How is this not even set in stone? What purpose does government serve, if not "borders", whether the physical or the intellectual? Patents, and copyright. The rest of the world views those kinds of things as quaint notions.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 26, 2024 11:23 AM (HNLv4)
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He needs to hit a homerun on that at bat.
This raises so many questions. If he was at bat when the game was suspended, does he get to go back to the plate to finish his at bat? It seems like a violation to allow a pinch hitter in the middle of a count. The most awkward and fun solution -- and therefore the one I hope for -- would be for him to return to the plate wearing his old jersey, pick up the count where it left off, and then after the play is over, go back to the dugout, change jerseys and take the field.
This raises so many questions. If he was at bat when the game was suspended, does he get to go back to the plate to finish his at bat? It seems like a violation to allow a pinch hitter in the middle of a count. The most awkward and fun solution -- and therefore the one I hope for -- would be for him to return to the plate wearing his old jersey, pick up the count where it left off, and then after the play is over, go back to the dugout, change jerseys and take the field.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:24 AM (/y8xj)
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I am wearing Lulu right now.
Posted by: Piper
Can you pick up something for me at Wal-Mart while you're there?
Posted by: Piper
Can you pick up something for me at Wal-Mart while you're there?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 26, 2024 11:25 AM (v6JzV)
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Pretty much all of the pens in my house have slowly shifted to being Fisher Space Pens. They’re more expensive. But the only time they fail is when they either run completely out of ink and need a new cartridge, or I accidentally run over them with my car. And you know how often that happens, tops, two, three times a year.
They claim to be made in Nevada, which is almost the United States.
They claim to be made in Nevada, which is almost the United States.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 26, 2024 11:25 AM (EXyHK)
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On textiles, I knew a girl in college who's family owned a fabric processing factory (cutting, dyeing, etc.). They were well-to-do but not obscenely rich. Dude was laser-focused on his employees and bottom line. Ran a tight shop, his employees were largely content, he made decent money.
The final straw was a new series of state environmental regulations. He was facing a multi-million-dollar retrofit of his facility, or cashing out by selling the equipment and shutting down. The breakeven point - if it ever came - on the new capital investment was so far into the future that he closed it down. Boom. Gone.
The final straw was a new series of state environmental regulations. He was facing a multi-million-dollar retrofit of his facility, or cashing out by selling the equipment and shutting down. The breakeven point - if it ever came - on the new capital investment was so far into the future that he closed it down. Boom. Gone.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:25 AM (HnUIn)
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The best argument for tariffs tends to be managing one's supply chain.
Free trade moves things to the most efficient arrangement, which like just-in-time will be more sensitive to disruption. The more global your supply chain, the more that problems in other countries are also your problems. The US tends to suffer less from this issue than smaller nations, since we've got a very large and robust economy.
Free trade moves things to the most efficient arrangement, which like just-in-time will be more sensitive to disruption. The more global your supply chain, the more that problems in other countries are also your problems. The US tends to suffer less from this issue than smaller nations, since we've got a very large and robust economy.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 26, 2024 11:25 AM (eYoxG)
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My point along, if certain demands are placed on employers or manufacturing in order to business in the U.S.A. - especially federal - then anyone who wishes to sell their wares within the U.S.A. has to meet those same standards.
It's a reasonable question, and the answer is that for the last 45 years, we've been exporting inflation to China and other countries, in exchange for all those cheap goods. What politician wants inflation to skyrocket on his watch?
It's a reasonable question, and the answer is that for the last 45 years, we've been exporting inflation to China and other countries, in exchange for all those cheap goods. What politician wants inflation to skyrocket on his watch?
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:25 AM (xCA6C)
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Coach Day can stop the run, get a better QB or call coach Tresser for help.
Posted by: Jamaica at August 26, 2024 11:25 AM (IG7T0)
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Three years ago, in two separate incidents, I bought some custom keyboard-related stuff: both of these were on-demand small group buys, kind of like Kickstarter, but not. In one case, it was a limited-run keyboard, and in the other, it was a set of custom keycaps. In both cases, due to shenanigans in China, it took just about 3 years for the items to arrive. For these items, it's typical for such an event to take close to a year, but 3 is excessive.
Posted by: Rick C at August 26, 2024 11:20 AM (MItL9)
What? They had to kill an elephant for the ivory?
Posted by: Rick C at August 26, 2024 11:20 AM (MItL9)
What? They had to kill an elephant for the ivory?
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at August 26, 2024 11:25 AM (g8Ew8)
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If you have the same (within reason) standard of living as the US, then we can trade head to head with your country.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 26, 2024 11:26 AM (uV5B0)
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"As I have often stated, I was once a proud free-trader who believed in the benefits of reciprocal free trade, but I soon felt betrayed when I saw that “principled free traders” actually had no interest in reciprocity. Instead, they advocated for “unilateral free trade” – in other words they advocated for a surrender to foreign mercantilism, thus providing foreign countries barrier-free access to the US economy, while also keeping barriers in place to keep US exports out of their countries."
That pretty much describes my attitude on trade. You can't be playing by Marquis of Queensbury Rules when the other side has a scimitar.
That pretty much describes my attitude on trade. You can't be playing by Marquis of Queensbury Rules when the other side has a scimitar.
Posted by: tankdemon at August 26, 2024 11:26 AM (R256O)
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Sounds like Republican baseball.
Red Sox Catcher Danny Jansen To Become 1st Player In MLB History To Play For Both Teams In Same Game
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 11:08 AM (L/fGl)
Well, this makes it make more sense:
"Jansen, a catcher, who was a member of the Blue Jays at the time, was in the middle of an at-bat when the game was suspended due to weather. About a month later, he was traded to Boston."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:14 AM (GBKbO)
he's going to catch his own recorded at bat. so that's a unique bit of history, since mlb will pick the game up exactly where it left off.
Red Sox Catcher Danny Jansen To Become 1st Player In MLB History To Play For Both Teams In Same Game
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at August 26, 2024 11:08 AM (L/fGl)
Well, this makes it make more sense:
"Jansen, a catcher, who was a member of the Blue Jays at the time, was in the middle of an at-bat when the game was suspended due to weather. About a month later, he was traded to Boston."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:14 AM (GBKbO)
he's going to catch his own recorded at bat. so that's a unique bit of history, since mlb will pick the game up exactly where it left off.
Posted by: SturmToddler at August 26, 2024 11:26 AM (v6XNT)
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There really are some jobs that Americans won't do for a competitive price. Clothing assembly tops that list, unless you want to pay $80 for a pair of boxers.
Posted by: Archimedes
People don't appreciate how long it actually takes to make clothing. And you have to know what you're doing.
It takes 40 man-hours to put together a men's suit, from cutting to sewing on the last button.
A piece of underwear (panties or boxers) from cutting to final stitch, I'm going to estimate 1 hour even for a skilled professional.
And since it is skilled labor, you're going to be paying $15-$20 an hour for it.
The only reason other countries get away with paying less is that their entire economy pays less.
Posted by: Archimedes
People don't appreciate how long it actually takes to make clothing. And you have to know what you're doing.
It takes 40 man-hours to put together a men's suit, from cutting to sewing on the last button.
A piece of underwear (panties or boxers) from cutting to final stitch, I'm going to estimate 1 hour even for a skilled professional.
And since it is skilled labor, you're going to be paying $15-$20 an hour for it.
The only reason other countries get away with paying less is that their entire economy pays less.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 26, 2024 11:26 AM (hB7mE)
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>> It seems like a violation to allow a pinch hitter in the middle of a count.
It's not. Rare but legal.
It's not. Rare but legal.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2024 11:26 AM (LkLld)
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If Peter Zeihan is to be believed, Chinese manufacturing labor is now 3x as expensive as that in Mexico.
Posted by: Archimedes at August
Mexico has its own issues and labor there is getting more expensive. They have mandatory profit sharing, mandatory severance, you can only hire Mexicans, no one else can work there (go figure) except managers, they can and will strike violently.
But it’s still the wild wild west in terms of firing. You can fire anyone, pay their severance and send them packing.
If Peter Zeihan is to be believed, Chinese manufacturing labor is now 3x as expensive as that in Mexico.
Posted by: Archimedes at August
Mexico has its own issues and labor there is getting more expensive. They have mandatory profit sharing, mandatory severance, you can only hire Mexicans, no one else can work there (go figure) except managers, they can and will strike violently.
But it’s still the wild wild west in terms of firing. You can fire anyone, pay their severance and send them packing.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:26 AM (p4NUW)
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121 >> It seems like a violation to allow a pinch hitter in the middle of a count.
It's not. Rare but legal.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2024 11:26 AM (LkLld)
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Usually for injury, I think.
It's not. Rare but legal.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2024 11:26 AM (LkLld)
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Usually for injury, I think.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:27 AM (GBKbO)
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That pretty much describes my attitude on trade. You can't be playing by Marquis of Queensbury Rules when the other side has a scimitar.
*attempts to squeeze moistened bint joke into the thread, but fails*
*attempts to squeeze moistened bint joke into the thread, but fails*
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:27 AM (xCA6C)
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The libs are up to something.
So far this morning I have had three different popups and notices for Save the Forests.
I smell a rat.
So far this morning I have had three different popups and notices for Save the Forests.
I smell a rat.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 26, 2024 11:27 AM (W/lyH)
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I am wearing Lulu right now. I don’t like Lulu, their sizing is so inconsistent.
my wife liked them a lot at first, but the quality dropped as they became a bigger name lifestyle brand they are now, and yes, as you mention, the sizing was frustratingly inconsistent (especially for husband buying gifts)
my wife liked them a lot at first, but the quality dropped as they became a bigger name lifestyle brand they are now, and yes, as you mention, the sizing was frustratingly inconsistent (especially for husband buying gifts)
Posted by: brak at August 26, 2024 11:27 AM (25k9m)
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Understanding concentration risk does not require an advanced degree, yet somehow the captains of industry decided they should put as many of their eggs in the Chinese basket as possible.
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* Once again, Perverse Incentives have entered the chat *
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* Once again, Perverse Incentives have entered the chat *
Posted by: ShainS -- Kommie-la 2024: The Fundamental Transtarvation of America! at August 26, 2024 11:28 AM (lTSPa)
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‘ A trade taking effect in the middle of game time? ’
They’re trolling for publicity. Baseball fans will tune in now to see the stunt.
‘ A trade taking effect in the middle of game time? ’
They’re trolling for publicity. Baseball fans will tune in now to see the stunt.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 26, 2024 11:28 AM (jbnUc)
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Mexico has its own issues and labor there is getting more expensive. They have mandatory profit sharing, mandatory severance, you can only hire Mexicans, no one else can work there (go figure) except managers, they can and will strike violently. ...
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:26 AM (p4NUW)
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Which is commonplace, which is why I am not a free trade absolutist anymore. There is no parity.
Our labor market is open, theirs is closed. We have worker protections - for good or ill - and they do not, not to the same degree.
Without policy parity, why is there free trade? If you can come open a business here but I can't go open a business there, why is there free trade?
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:26 AM (p4NUW)
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Which is commonplace, which is why I am not a free trade absolutist anymore. There is no parity.
Our labor market is open, theirs is closed. We have worker protections - for good or ill - and they do not, not to the same degree.
Without policy parity, why is there free trade? If you can come open a business here but I can't go open a business there, why is there free trade?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:28 AM (HnUIn)
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Mexico has its own issues and labor there is getting more expensive. They have mandatory profit sharing, mandatory severance, you can only hire Mexicans, no one else can work there (go figure) except managers, they can and will strike violently.
But it’s still the wild wild west in terms of firing. You can fire anyone, pay their severance and send them packing.
To say nothing of the entire genocidal narcoterrorist state thing.
But it’s still the wild wild west in terms of firing. You can fire anyone, pay their severance and send them packing.
To say nothing of the entire genocidal narcoterrorist state thing.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:28 AM (xCA6C)
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Not part of the NCAA's notice of allegations are former UM defensive coordinator Jesse Minter and former staffer Denard Robinson as they both continue to cooperate with NCAA investigators and are seeking a negotiated settlement.
Michigan now has 90 days to respond.
Posted by: one hour sober at August 26, 2024 11:17 AM (Y1sOo)
I'm out of the Big10 loop. What happened?
Michigan now has 90 days to respond.
Posted by: one hour sober at August 26, 2024 11:17 AM (Y1sOo)
I'm out of the Big10 loop. What happened?
Posted by: pookysgirln born and raised a Hawkeye at August 26, 2024 11:28 AM (dtlDP)
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Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at August 26, 2024 11:17 AM (P7Iz+)
It's too early in the day to be that drunk.
Have a coffee.
It's too early in the day to be that drunk.
Have a coffee.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 26, 2024 11:29 AM (FCbAQ)
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110 I am wearing Lulu right now.
Posted by: Piper
Can you pick up something for me at Wal-Mart while you're there?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 26, 2024 11:25 AM (v6JzV)
In my defense, I own a fitness studio and boutique! And I don’t look like the Walmart pictures. I promise.
Oh my gosh, I have a funny story from this morning, have to decide if I should share.
Posted by: Piper
Can you pick up something for me at Wal-Mart while you're there?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 26, 2024 11:25 AM (v6JzV)
In my defense, I own a fitness studio and boutique! And I don’t look like the Walmart pictures. I promise.
Oh my gosh, I have a funny story from this morning, have to decide if I should share.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:30 AM (p4NUW)
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Posted by: Rick C at August 26, 2024 11:20 AM (MItL9)
What? They had to kill an elephant for the ivory?
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at August 26, 2024 11:25 AM (g8Ew
I have a fancy, special keyboard too...but mine doesn't apparently have the features to detect and fatally inject unwanted users...
Three years....
What? They had to kill an elephant for the ivory?
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at August 26, 2024 11:25 AM (g8Ew
I have a fancy, special keyboard too...but mine doesn't apparently have the features to detect and fatally inject unwanted users...
Three years....
Posted by: Stateless at August 26, 2024 11:30 AM (jvJvP)
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That pretty much describes my attitude on trade. You can't be playing by Marquis of Queensbury Rules when the other side has a scimitar.
Posted by: tankdemon
That goes for anything.
Posted by: tankdemon
That goes for anything.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at August 26, 2024 11:30 AM (V26+p)
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Mexico has its own issues and labor there is getting more expensive.
doesn't stop Ford and GM from moving jobs there
"Buy American" they mean North America
doesn't stop Ford and GM from moving jobs there
"Buy American" they mean North America
Posted by: brak at August 26, 2024 11:30 AM (25k9m)
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You can't be playing by Marquis of Queensbury Rules when the other side has a scimitar.
*cough*Marquess*cough*
*cough*Marquess*cough*
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:31 AM (xCA6C)
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You can't be playing by Marquis of Queensbury Rules
Marquess of Queensbury.
No, I don't know what the difference is.
Marquess of Queensbury.
No, I don't know what the difference is.
Posted by: spindrift at August 26, 2024 11:31 AM (OguvZ)
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136 "Mexico has its own issues and labor there is getting more expensive."
doesn't stop Ford and GM from moving jobs there
"Buy American" they mean North America
Posted by: brak at August 26, 2024 11:30 AM (25k9m)
That probably has to do with the unions, as the Asian automakers tend to operate here instead of Mexico.
doesn't stop Ford and GM from moving jobs there
"Buy American" they mean North America
Posted by: brak at August 26, 2024 11:30 AM (25k9m)
That probably has to do with the unions, as the Asian automakers tend to operate here instead of Mexico.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 26, 2024 11:31 AM (eYoxG)
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You can't be playing by Marquis of Queensbury Rules
Marquess of Queensbury.
No, I don't know what the difference is.
Posted by: spindrift at August 26, 2024 11:31 AM (OguvZ)
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Spelling, at very least.
Marquess of Queensbury.
No, I don't know what the difference is.
Posted by: spindrift at August 26, 2024 11:31 AM (OguvZ)
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Spelling, at very least.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:31 AM (HnUIn)
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139That probably has to do with the unions, as the Asian automakers tend to operate here instead of Mexico.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 26, 2024 11:31 AM (eYoxG)
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Big Honda plant, I think, between Tuscaloosa and Birmingham.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 26, 2024 11:31 AM (eYoxG)
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Big Honda plant, I think, between Tuscaloosa and Birmingham.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:32 AM (GBKbO)
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Mexico has its own issues and labor there is getting more expensive.
doesn't stop Ford and GM from moving jobs there
"Buy American" they mean North America
It's better than having the jobs go to China. Anyway, the UAW made its own bed, and they can damn well lie in it. My tax dollars have bailed them out many times, and I've had enough of it.
doesn't stop Ford and GM from moving jobs there
"Buy American" they mean North America
It's better than having the jobs go to China. Anyway, the UAW made its own bed, and they can damn well lie in it. My tax dollars have bailed them out many times, and I've had enough of it.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:32 AM (xCA6C)
143
I've posted this a few times over the years, but it explains stuff well.
"Fatal Flaws in the Theory of Comparative Advantage
Thursday, November 06, 2008"
Comparative advantage guy David Ricardo knew (and stated) there were several limits to his theory. The paper briefly discusses seven of them.
1. There are no externalities
2. Nations trade only goods and services, not debt and assets
https://tinyurl.com/2tfnff5h
scribd link
"Fatal Flaws in the Theory of Comparative Advantage
Thursday, November 06, 2008"
Comparative advantage guy David Ricardo knew (and stated) there were several limits to his theory. The paper briefly discusses seven of them.
1. There are no externalities
2. Nations trade only goods and services, not debt and assets
https://tinyurl.com/2tfnff5h
scribd link
Posted by: illiniwek at August 26, 2024 11:32 AM (Cus5s)
144
Nah, we should prop up China's totalitarian state by doing all our manufacturing there. That's just freedom, man. For everyone. The slaves there love the slave labor, and we can always retool our abortion clinics to manufacture war-essential goods if we should have an abrupt falling out. The kind that might be provoked by, say, chronic under-recruitment and failure to maintain naval supremacy.
Posted by: High Fructose Corn Syrup at August 26, 2024 11:33 AM (gpy0L)
145
141
Big Honda plant, I think, between Tuscaloosa and Birmingham.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:32 AM (GBKbO
Do you mean the Kia one?
Big Honda plant, I think, between Tuscaloosa and Birmingham.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:32 AM (GBKbO
Do you mean the Kia one?
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:34 AM (p4NUW)
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Chinese labor has become expensive and when adding in shipping costs, Bribery costs, etc it’s no longer a good deal for manufacturers. China has been shedding manufacturing jobs for years as this phenomenon has taken place. Vietnam has become the new China for cheap labor.
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 26, 2024 11:34 AM (h7wP/)
147
Here's the mlb Jansen article. I saw it awhile back. MLB Canada and the Blue Jays officially gave me sub human n*****r status because of the jabs, so screw them.
But here's the link. And Ohtani rules.
https://tinyurl.com/z4dyk5nj
But here's the link. And Ohtani rules.
https://tinyurl.com/z4dyk5nj
Posted by: Stateless at August 26, 2024 11:34 AM (jvJvP)
148
Big Honda plant, I think, between Tuscaloosa and Birmingham.
Honda is well represented on the "Most American Made" auto list:
http://tiny.cc/cvrjzz
Honda is well represented on the "Most American Made" auto list:
http://tiny.cc/cvrjzz
Posted by: brak at August 26, 2024 11:34 AM (25k9m)
149
US West Coast ports you say
9 days ago the Los Angeles Times reported that power surges are affecting the Port of Los Angeles and threatening their goal of reaching zero emissions by 2030.
9 days ago the Los Angeles Times reported that power surges are affecting the Port of Los Angeles and threatening their goal of reaching zero emissions by 2030.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 26, 2024 11:35 AM (vNdJC)
150
President Kamala will save Us !
Posted by: China at August 26, 2024 11:35 AM (IyPmt)
151
145 141
Big Honda plant, I think, between Tuscaloosa and Birmingham.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:32 AM (GBKbO
Do you mean the Kia one?
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:34 AM (p4NUW)
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Looking at maps, it appears to be a Benz plant, actually.
Which matched with my memory of driving back and forth so many times.
Big Honda plant, I think, between Tuscaloosa and Birmingham.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:32 AM (GBKbO
Do you mean the Kia one?
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:34 AM (p4NUW)
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Looking at maps, it appears to be a Benz plant, actually.
Which matched with my memory of driving back and forth so many times.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:35 AM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Not Sponge at August 26, 2024 11:35 AM (0CU3H)
153
Remember the children's story about the giant who fell asleep on the ground, and the little people tied him down to the ground so he couldn't move.
The US is like that now. Death by a thousand cuts, self-inflicted, a victim of inherent contradictions. Negative trade balance, stagnant wages since the mid 1970s.
In 1968 they orbited the fucking Moon and read out of the Bible, during the Cold War, just to stick it in the eye of the godless Soviets. Today, they are trying to recreate low earth orbit and having a difficult time of it.
Logging, mining, textiles, electronics. Dead. Just to name a few. How about agriculture? Ever take a look at the average age of a Farmer?
These are whole swaths of industry that are moribund. Manufacturing is just a fraction. Automation, or robots we are told, are the wave of the future.
Why are they importing millions of completely illiterate, innumerate and otherwise unemployable "refugees", then? What impacts does this have on "the environment"? How do they get millions of people to hold simultaneously absurd, incompatible beliefs?
The US is like that now. Death by a thousand cuts, self-inflicted, a victim of inherent contradictions. Negative trade balance, stagnant wages since the mid 1970s.
In 1968 they orbited the fucking Moon and read out of the Bible, during the Cold War, just to stick it in the eye of the godless Soviets. Today, they are trying to recreate low earth orbit and having a difficult time of it.
Logging, mining, textiles, electronics. Dead. Just to name a few. How about agriculture? Ever take a look at the average age of a Farmer?
These are whole swaths of industry that are moribund. Manufacturing is just a fraction. Automation, or robots we are told, are the wave of the future.
Why are they importing millions of completely illiterate, innumerate and otherwise unemployable "refugees", then? What impacts does this have on "the environment"? How do they get millions of people to hold simultaneously absurd, incompatible beliefs?
Posted by: Common Tater at August 26, 2024 11:35 AM (HNLv4)
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Recognizing that its worker base and internal markets are shrinking, Japan did the smart thing. They did not fling open their doors to immigrants who take more than they contribute.
Instead, Japan is opening plants in places such as the US that employ American workers to build products here and sell to American markets.
Instead, Japan is opening plants in places such as the US that employ American workers to build products here and sell to American markets.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at August 26, 2024 11:35 AM (wBaIH)
155
It's not. Rare but legal.
In that case, I like this solution.
he's going to catch his own recorded at bat.
That's going to need a sh*tload of asterisks to keep the books straight.
In that case, I like this solution.
he's going to catch his own recorded at bat.
That's going to need a sh*tload of asterisks to keep the books straight.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:36 AM (/y8xj)
156
"If Peter Zeihan is to be believed, Chinese manufacturing labor is now 3x as expensive as that in Mexico.
Posted by: Archimedes at August"
Peter Zeihan might be right about that. However, in general, he is not to be believed.
He's very confident in his presentation though, even when he's flat-out wrong. He's wrong about just about everything he's said about the semifab industry, for example. And he's been predicting the fall of China for years. I suppose he'll be right about that eventually; it's like predicting the sun going nova.
The curious thing about Zeihan: He's a bit of a cypher, if you ever go digging into his background, or who actually pays the guy to spout what he does. I can't tell if he's just a free-lance conman, or if he's paid by George Soros to tell us repeatedly that China poses no threat.
Posted by: Archimedes at August"
Peter Zeihan might be right about that. However, in general, he is not to be believed.
He's very confident in his presentation though, even when he's flat-out wrong. He's wrong about just about everything he's said about the semifab industry, for example. And he's been predicting the fall of China for years. I suppose he'll be right about that eventually; it's like predicting the sun going nova.
The curious thing about Zeihan: He's a bit of a cypher, if you ever go digging into his background, or who actually pays the guy to spout what he does. I can't tell if he's just a free-lance conman, or if he's paid by George Soros to tell us repeatedly that China poses no threat.
Posted by: Pastafarian at August 26, 2024 11:36 AM (WAMTh)
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Why are they importing millions of completely illiterate, innumerate and otherwise unemployable "refugees", then? What impacts does this have on "the environment"? How do they get millions of people to hold simultaneously absurd, incompatible beliefs?
Posted by: Common Tater at August 26, 2024 11:35 AM (HNLv4)
White women aren't gonna rape themselves!
Posted by: Common Tater at August 26, 2024 11:35 AM (HNLv4)
White women aren't gonna rape themselves!
Posted by: I'll take the rapists for $500, Alex at August 26, 2024 11:37 AM (gpy0L)
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Lincoln, AL is the Honda plant
"As of 2020, Honda Odyssey, Honda Pilot, and Honda Ridgeline are built there, as well as the Honda J V6 engine."
"As of 2020, Honda Odyssey, Honda Pilot, and Honda Ridgeline are built there, as well as the Honda J V6 engine."
Posted by: brak at August 26, 2024 11:38 AM (25k9m)
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152 I am wearing Lulu right now...
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:22 AM (p4NUW)
Bought my Daughter a pair of pants/sweats from them for Christmas and the darned things cost 100 dollars
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:22 AM (p4NUW)
Bought my Daughter a pair of pants/sweats from them for Christmas and the darned things cost 100 dollars
Posted by: It's me donna at August 26, 2024 11:38 AM (IyPmt)
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He's very confident in his presentation though, even when he's flat-out wrong. He's wrong about just about everything he's said about the semifab industry, for example. And he's been predicting the fall of China for years. I suppose he'll be right about that eventually; it's like predicting the sun going nova.
He's been predicting the fall of China for a few years now, and said this was their last decade. I guess that means we won't have more than about 7 years to wait to see if he's right.
He's been predicting the fall of China for a few years now, and said this was their last decade. I guess that means we won't have more than about 7 years to wait to see if he's right.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:38 AM (xCA6C)
161
" 'Tariffs are a tax on consumers,' which is as morally vacuous as stating that the abolition of slavery is a tax on consumers."
And it is blatantly false. (even what they mean, that all tariffs are directly passed on to consumer, is false). Because China wants market share, and if passing on all tariff costs would cause them to lose market share, they would absorb some (or all) of those costs, passing the cost on to their profit margin.
iirc that is what happened in the Trump era ... but I don't recall details.
And it is blatantly false. (even what they mean, that all tariffs are directly passed on to consumer, is false). Because China wants market share, and if passing on all tariff costs would cause them to lose market share, they would absorb some (or all) of those costs, passing the cost on to their profit margin.
iirc that is what happened in the Trump era ... but I don't recall details.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 26, 2024 11:38 AM (Cus5s)
162
You can substitute any player at any time in a baseball game, regardless of when that is deemed necessary - however that player who was substituted MAY NOT return to that game...this rule has been in place since forever.
But I question whether it is allowed for the traded player to play on another team, after being traded, in a much-delayed game based upon this rule - If I were the opposing team that traded that player, and that were allowed - I would protest that game. Technically that player was removed from the line up and substituted in that game and thus becomes ineligible to play in it - at any position and at any time.
But I question whether it is allowed for the traded player to play on another team, after being traded, in a much-delayed game based upon this rule - If I were the opposing team that traded that player, and that were allowed - I would protest that game. Technically that player was removed from the line up and substituted in that game and thus becomes ineligible to play in it - at any position and at any time.
Posted by: Boswell at August 26, 2024 11:38 AM (K+UlC)
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155 It's not. Rare but legal.
In that case, I like this solution.
he's going to catch his own recorded at bat.
That's going to need a sh*tload of asterisks to keep the books straight.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:36 AM (/y8xj)
I'm pretty sure that the output of the at-bat goes down under his name. Would be hilarious if he popped out to himself.
In that case, I like this solution.
he's going to catch his own recorded at bat.
That's going to need a sh*tload of asterisks to keep the books straight.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:36 AM (/y8xj)
I'm pretty sure that the output of the at-bat goes down under his name. Would be hilarious if he popped out to himself.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 26, 2024 11:38 AM (KbCG3)
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There's a website for stuff still manufactured here in the US. stillmadeinusa dot com
Can't vouch for accuracy.
YMMV
Not redeemable with other offers
Etc.
Can't vouch for accuracy.
YMMV
Not redeemable with other offers
Etc.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 26, 2024 11:38 AM (Q4IgG)
165
That video game Dustborn . . . wow, just wow. Are the developers trying to go bankrupt? I'm not a gamer and never was. But if I was deliberately trying to make a game to appeal to the smallest audience possible, I would probably have to choose between the following:
1. A game where you play a butch black lesbian of mediocre physical attractiveness navigating an apocalyptical dust bowl and her own shitty casual relationships with other butch lesbians. Her weapon is a ripoff of the guy in Walking Dead with his big phallic bat.
2. A game where you play a gay bathhouse doctor scraping monkeypox lesions off homo assholes.
Tough choice . . . .
1. A game where you play a butch black lesbian of mediocre physical attractiveness navigating an apocalyptical dust bowl and her own shitty casual relationships with other butch lesbians. Her weapon is a ripoff of the guy in Walking Dead with his big phallic bat.
2. A game where you play a gay bathhouse doctor scraping monkeypox lesions off homo assholes.
Tough choice . . . .
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 26, 2024 11:39 AM (iFTx/)
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143 I've posted this a few times over the years, but it explains stuff well.
"Fatal Flaws in the Theory of Comparative Advantage
Thursday, November 06, 2008"
Comparative advantage guy David Ricardo knew (and stated) there were several limits to his theory. The paper briefly discusses seven of them.
1. There are no externalities
2. Nations trade only goods and services, not debt and assets
https://tinyurl.com/2tfnff5h
scribd link
Posted by: illiniwek at August 26, 2024 11:32 AM (Cus5s)
2. is a dubious way of looking at trade, and the rest of these also pretty much apply to internal trade.
Comparative advantage at any rate doesn't make the claims people often claims that it makes, it explains why trade exists between technologically/productively superior and inferior nations.
"Fatal Flaws in the Theory of Comparative Advantage
Thursday, November 06, 2008"
Comparative advantage guy David Ricardo knew (and stated) there were several limits to his theory. The paper briefly discusses seven of them.
1. There are no externalities
2. Nations trade only goods and services, not debt and assets
https://tinyurl.com/2tfnff5h
scribd link
Posted by: illiniwek at August 26, 2024 11:32 AM (Cus5s)
2. is a dubious way of looking at trade, and the rest of these also pretty much apply to internal trade.
Comparative advantage at any rate doesn't make the claims people often claims that it makes, it explains why trade exists between technologically/productively superior and inferior nations.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 26, 2024 11:39 AM (eYoxG)
167
What’s more American?
Toyota made in the US with 75%
American parts. Or GM made in Mexico with 50% American parts?
Toyota made in the US with 75%
American parts. Or GM made in Mexico with 50% American parts?
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 26, 2024 11:39 AM (h7wP/)
168
Looking at maps, it appears to be a Benz plant, actually.
Which matched with my memory of driving back and forth so many times.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:35 AM (GBKbO
Kia is in GA, along with their training center, Hyundai here in Montgomery, and yes, we have a Benz plant in Tuscaloosa, you are correct.
Which matched with my memory of driving back and forth so many times.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:35 AM (GBKbO
Kia is in GA, along with their training center, Hyundai here in Montgomery, and yes, we have a Benz plant in Tuscaloosa, you are correct.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:40 AM (p4NUW)
169
Domestic manufacturing is better for quality-control issues and quick turnaround of replacement parts. That was really hammered home to me. In the past two weeks, my car died on the side of the road (faulty part for transmission was back-ordered) and I FINALLY got a non-defective toilet to replace the June installation. Customer service from overseas is also a big crapshoot; don't hire Handy/Angie's List.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at August 26, 2024 11:40 AM (fxCK2)
170
I use to be able to cite the exact section, but Adam Smith in The Wealth of Nations calls for tariffs in certain circumstances, basically what Scott Adams says.
I think it is Chapter 4 section II or Chapter 2 section 4.
I think it is Chapter 4 section II or Chapter 2 section 4.
Posted by: MikeN at August 26, 2024 11:40 AM (HVZOH)
171
"If Peter Zeihan is to be believed, Chinese manufacturing labor is now 3x as expensive as that in Mexico.
Posted by: Archimedes at August"
Peter Zeihan might be right about that. However, in general, he is not to be believed.
Maybe that's including the transportation cost mentioned above? I know a guy whose entire job consists of driving to Laredo, picking up a load of car parts, and driving them to Tennessee. Over and over.
Posted by: Archimedes at August"
Peter Zeihan might be right about that. However, in general, he is not to be believed.
Maybe that's including the transportation cost mentioned above? I know a guy whose entire job consists of driving to Laredo, picking up a load of car parts, and driving them to Tennessee. Over and over.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:41 AM (/y8xj)
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"At Twitter, Scott Adams recently made this comment"
HEY! Stop dead-naming X!!
HEY! Stop dead-naming X!!
Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at August 26, 2024 11:41 AM (PWI4f)
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116 What? They had to kill an elephant for the ivory?
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at August 26, 2024 11:25 AM (g8Ew
No, killing elephants is illegal now. They had to wait around for one to die of natural causes.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at August 26, 2024 11:25 AM (g8Ew
No, killing elephants is illegal now. They had to wait around for one to die of natural causes.
Posted by: tankdemon at August 26, 2024 11:41 AM (R256O)
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But isn’t domestic manufacturing more expensive?
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We're gonna need another 50 million illegal aliens to drive down production costs ...
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We're gonna need another 50 million illegal aliens to drive down production costs ...
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Posted by: ShainS -- Kommie-la 2024: The Fundamental Transtarvation of America! at August 26, 2024 11:42 AM (46upa)
175
And Ohtani rules.
Posted by: Stateless
The Japanese steakhouse? It does indeed. We went there on my wife's birthday. Awesome!
Posted by: Stateless
The Japanese steakhouse? It does indeed. We went there on my wife's birthday. Awesome!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 26, 2024 11:42 AM (v6JzV)
176
People have been predicting the collapse of China since the early 2000s. It’s like Paul Krugman predicting recessions. Eventually they’ll be right.
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 26, 2024 11:42 AM (h7wP/)
177
I'm glad they're back but we need to domestically manufacture products that are vital to American security and not rely on the CCP or other adversarial countries. The COVID pandemic showed us exactly what is needed. I think this is where the government needs to intervene.
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2024 11:42 AM (9ikst)
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They are OK with pollution - this was their argument. China can make all those icky things, emissions of chemicals and water pollution and Americans will send each other e-mails all day or something, and get rich that way.
They are OK with slave labor, so long as it is on the other side of the world and they don't have to think about it too much. Then turn around and go to the "No Borders" march, and then later, advocate for $30 an hour minimum wage at the local Starbucks.
They want what never was, and never will be, but they are going to keep voting for it. Good and hard. You'll see.
They are OK with slave labor, so long as it is on the other side of the world and they don't have to think about it too much. Then turn around and go to the "No Borders" march, and then later, advocate for $30 an hour minimum wage at the local Starbucks.
They want what never was, and never will be, but they are going to keep voting for it. Good and hard. You'll see.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 26, 2024 11:43 AM (HNLv4)
179
First they came for my Sharpies and I said nothing...
Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 26, 2024 11:43 AM (TGPs7)
180
167 What’s more American?
Toyota made in the US with 75%
American parts. Or GM made in Mexico with 50% American parts?
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 26, 2024 11:39 AM (h7wP/)
A modern-day Ship of Theseus Paradox.
Toyota made in the US with 75%
American parts. Or GM made in Mexico with 50% American parts?
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 26, 2024 11:39 AM (h7wP/)
A modern-day Ship of Theseus Paradox.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 26, 2024 11:43 AM (0CU3H)
181
I'm pretty sure that the output of the at-bat goes down under his name. Would be hilarious if he popped out to himself.
He drops a called third strike then picks it up and tags himself out.
He drops a called third strike then picks it up and tags himself out.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:44 AM (/y8xj)
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Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 26, 2024 11:42 AM (h7wP/)
And others predicted the Soviet Union would never collapse.
And others predicted the Soviet Union would never collapse.
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2024 11:44 AM (9ikst)
183
169 Domestic manufacturing is better for quality-control issues and quick turnaround of replacement parts. That was really hammered home to me. In the past two weeks, my car died on the side of the road (faulty part for transmission was back-ordered) and I FINALLY got a non-defective toilet to replace the June installation. Customer service from overseas is also a big crapshoot; don't hire Handy/Angie's List.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at August 26, 2024 11:40 AM (fxCK2)
Also true at the company level. Let's say that you have rampant defect issues from an Asian manufacturer-supplier. Try getting your day in court with Asian crooks and collecting a judgment.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at August 26, 2024 11:40 AM (fxCK2)
Also true at the company level. Let's say that you have rampant defect issues from an Asian manufacturer-supplier. Try getting your day in court with Asian crooks and collecting a judgment.
Posted by: Things those awful lawyers can tell you at August 26, 2024 11:44 AM (gpy0L)
184
I’ve been informed that I must pay at least 52% of my income in taxes to support the welfare state, but paying a buck more for a hammer made in the USA is a terrible economic policy. F those “free traders”
Posted by: DavidUW97 at August 26, 2024 11:44 AM (fBy+D)
185
I'm out of the Big10 loop. What happened?
Posted by: pookysgirln born and raised a Hawkeye at August 26, 2024 11:28 AM (dtlDP)
*****
Here you go.
https://tinyurl.com/4b57hmnd
Posted by: pookysgirln born and raised a Hawkeye at August 26, 2024 11:28 AM (dtlDP)
*****
Here you go.
https://tinyurl.com/4b57hmnd
Posted by: one hour sober at August 26, 2024 11:45 AM (Y1sOo)
186
181 I'm pretty sure that the output of the at-bat goes down under his name. Would be hilarious if he popped out to himself.
He drops a called third strike then picks it up and tags himself out.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:44 AM (/y8xj)
If the batter gets beaned and there's a bench-clearing brawl, which side would he choose?
He drops a called third strike then picks it up and tags himself out.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:44 AM (/y8xj)
If the batter gets beaned and there's a bench-clearing brawl, which side would he choose?
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at August 26, 2024 11:45 AM (LxER7)
187
Shock, surprise, Harris wants to change the debate rules. No muted mics and ability to use notes, opening statements and not standing.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:45 AM (p4NUW)
188
My wireless earbuds were approaching unusability. The left channel was so dull I had to move the balance to 90% left to get it to sound even remotely symmetrical.
So, nothing to lose. Dropped 'em in a shot glass full of isopropyl and let them soak (and shook them up a bit). Dabbed them off, drained out the best I could and let them air dry.
Outcome: they sound great. Must've been too much earwax buildup over time. Downside is that the mesh screens came detached and I lost one, so the problem will get worse quicker and I'll have to do it more frequently. But hey, they still work now and I don't need to spend money replacing them.
So, nothing to lose. Dropped 'em in a shot glass full of isopropyl and let them soak (and shook them up a bit). Dabbed them off, drained out the best I could and let them air dry.
Outcome: they sound great. Must've been too much earwax buildup over time. Downside is that the mesh screens came detached and I lost one, so the problem will get worse quicker and I'll have to do it more frequently. But hey, they still work now and I don't need to spend money replacing them.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:45 AM (HnUIn)
189
180 A modern-day Ship of Theseus Paradox.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 26, 2024 11:43 AM (0CU3H)
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*walking on the gravel at Monticello*
*thinks walking on history*
*realizes that this gravel couldn't possibly be the same from 250 years ago*
*has to settle with the building being the same*
Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 26, 2024 11:43 AM (0CU3H)
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*walking on the gravel at Monticello*
*thinks walking on history*
*realizes that this gravel couldn't possibly be the same from 250 years ago*
*has to settle with the building being the same*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:45 AM (GBKbO)
190
I was never a free trader and was always one that viewed it via the lens of reciprocity.
Ricardo was constructing the Comparative Advantage argument against Corn Laws as he was a speculator and it would advantage him via arbitrage.
In reality, comparative advantage falls apart because it fails to consider a number of issues as important as national security, keeping a workforce employed, inevitable migrant labor flows, etc.
The best social program of all is for people to have good jobs (decent hours, payment, etc.) in private industry.
Ricardo was constructing the Comparative Advantage argument against Corn Laws as he was a speculator and it would advantage him via arbitrage.
In reality, comparative advantage falls apart because it fails to consider a number of issues as important as national security, keeping a workforce employed, inevitable migrant labor flows, etc.
The best social program of all is for people to have good jobs (decent hours, payment, etc.) in private industry.
Posted by: whig at August 26, 2024 11:45 AM (kW+z9)
191
All empires collapse eventually. So Zeihan is correct. Timing wise, anyone’s guess.
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 26, 2024 11:46 AM (h7wP/)
192
Classic clothing store.com. Not fashionable but reasonably priced and made in this country.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 26, 2024 11:46 AM (dDSBl)
193
Dr. Jolly West famously killed an elephant at the Oklahoma state zoo, with LSD. Apparently body weight is one thing, and brain size, is another when deciding on dosage. He was usually trotted out to examine whatever wind up toy had gone off the reservation from time to time over the years. I think he testified in the Patty Hearst trial debacle.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 26, 2024 11:46 AM (HNLv4)
194
This busty redhead in her underwear likes having a diverse and dynamic domestic economy that isn't utterly dependent on high finance and hostile foreign countries:
http://tiny.cc/mwrjzz
http://tiny.cc/mwrjzz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:46 AM (HnUIn)
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137 You can't be playing by Marquis of Queensbury Rules when the other side has a scimitar.
*cough*Marquess*cough*
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:31 AM (xCA6C)
138 You can't be playing by Marquis of Queensbury Rules
Marquess of Queensbury.
No, I don't know what the difference is.
Posted by: spindrift at August 26, 2024 11:31 AM (OguvZ)
Smacked down by the horde mind.
Sincere thanks to both of you for the correction.
*cough*Marquess*cough*
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:31 AM (xCA6C)
138 You can't be playing by Marquis of Queensbury Rules
Marquess of Queensbury.
No, I don't know what the difference is.
Posted by: spindrift at August 26, 2024 11:31 AM (OguvZ)
Smacked down by the horde mind.
Sincere thanks to both of you for the correction.
Posted by: tankdemon at August 26, 2024 11:46 AM (R256O)
196
Why does Harris want to be seated now? She can’t stand for 90 minutes?
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:46 AM (p4NUW)
197
176 People have been predicting the collapse of China since the early 2000s. It’s like Paul Krugman predicting recessions. Eventually they’ll be right.
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 26, 2024 11:42 AM (h7wP/)
That punk ass bitch has been living through one several years now. But it's not a GOP administration, so it ain't prediction time yet.
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 26, 2024 11:42 AM (h7wP/)
That punk ass bitch has been living through one several years now. But it's not a GOP administration, so it ain't prediction time yet.
Posted by: Paul Krugman had child pr0n on his computer at August 26, 2024 11:47 AM (gpy0L)
198
187 Shock, surprise, Harris wants to change the debate rules. No muted mics and ability to use notes, opening statements and not standing.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:45 AM (p4NUW)
Seriously?
I can see why she wants the 'not standing' rule put in. Trump is at least a foot taller than she is. That visual contrast on TV would be devastating to her campaign.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:45 AM (p4NUW)
Seriously?
I can see why she wants the 'not standing' rule put in. Trump is at least a foot taller than she is. That visual contrast on TV would be devastating to her campaign.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 26, 2024 11:48 AM (0CU3H)
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Why does Harris want to be seated now? She can’t stand for 90 minutes?
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:46 AM (p4NUW)
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Think chess tournament cheating.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:46 AM (p4NUW)
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Think chess tournament cheating.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 26, 2024 11:48 AM (tT6L1)
200
Kia changed US manufacturers of their crank shaft. Defect in process caused engine failures. Kia basically replaced every Theta engine ever made under extended warranty including mine at 112k miles.
Posted by: Jamaica at August 26, 2024 11:48 AM (IG7T0)
201
No muted mics and ability to use notes, opening statements and not standing.
not standing? lol come on
not standing? lol come on
Posted by: brak at August 26, 2024 11:48 AM (25k9m)
202
"If Peter Zeihan is to be believed, Chinese manufacturing labor is now 3x as expensive as that in Mexico."
idk, but I believe China outsources a lot of its work to surrounding countries. And I wonder if they get around labeling "Made in China" that way?
Wall Street (and DC) only care about cost, not health or pollution or future wars being caused. That was supposed to be somehow "virtuous", that it would all balance out by economic magic, rising tide floats all boats or something.
But obviously the oligarchs seem intent with their boat floating, everyone else, "back on your heads".
idk, but I believe China outsources a lot of its work to surrounding countries. And I wonder if they get around labeling "Made in China" that way?
Wall Street (and DC) only care about cost, not health or pollution or future wars being caused. That was supposed to be somehow "virtuous", that it would all balance out by economic magic, rising tide floats all boats or something.
But obviously the oligarchs seem intent with their boat floating, everyone else, "back on your heads".
Posted by: illiniwek at August 26, 2024 11:48 AM (Cus5s)
203
The problem with trading with China -- or really having any business with them at all -- is that they are a gangster government. The oh-so-smart assured us that China was someone we could deal with, and with so much possible money it was crazy not to get involved. And then they found out that the current Chinese government fundamentally doesn't respect the rule of law. They only honored contracts if forced to: it was a big enough deal that international interests were involved, or a bigger bully pushed out the original bully. Which still costs.
Libertarians, like the leather jacket guy, failed to recognize a gangster government. They pictured a street gang government, beggars in the streets, graffiti and trash everywhere, and white Toyota trucks with machine guns mounted in the back. They totally missed the possibility of a Sopranos gangster government, nice suits, no tolerance for street crime because it got in the way with their schemes, and theft on a scale that the thugs could only dream of. Oops.
Libertarians, like the leather jacket guy, failed to recognize a gangster government. They pictured a street gang government, beggars in the streets, graffiti and trash everywhere, and white Toyota trucks with machine guns mounted in the back. They totally missed the possibility of a Sopranos gangster government, nice suits, no tolerance for street crime because it got in the way with their schemes, and theft on a scale that the thugs could only dream of. Oops.
Posted by: bittergeek at August 26, 2024 11:49 AM (3SsGZ)
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201 No muted mics and ability to use notes, opening statements and not standing.
She wants Trump to back out
She wants Trump to back out
Posted by: It's me donna at August 26, 2024 11:49 AM (IyPmt)
205
Would Kamalol being standing on a box?
Posted by: Jamaica at August 26, 2024 11:49 AM (IG7T0)
206
Why does Harris want to be seated now? She can’t stand for 90 minutes?
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:46 AM (p4NUW)
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Easier to and less conspicuous to use notes while seated. She's also very short and would look small and weak compared to the much taller and broader Trump. Same reason that homunculus George Stephadickolickolis is always sitting down.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:46 AM (p4NUW)
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Easier to and less conspicuous to use notes while seated. She's also very short and would look small and weak compared to the much taller and broader Trump. Same reason that homunculus George Stephadickolickolis is always sitting down.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 26, 2024 11:49 AM (iFTx/)
207
I'm guessing Kamala doesn't like the idea of standing in 4" heels for 90 minutes.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 26, 2024 11:49 AM (tT6L1)
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204 201 No muted mics and ability to use notes, opening statements and not standing.
She wants Trump to back out
Posted by: It's me donna at August 26, 2024 11:49 AM (IyPmt)
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Which, I think, he has. I saw that #TrumpIsaCoward was trending this morning, so I clicked through to see what it was about.
The dude who got shot and stood up, pumping his fist.
She wants Trump to back out
Posted by: It's me donna at August 26, 2024 11:49 AM (IyPmt)
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Which, I think, he has. I saw that #TrumpIsaCoward was trending this morning, so I clicked through to see what it was about.
The dude who got shot and stood up, pumping his fist.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:50 AM (GBKbO)
209
What’s more American?
Toyota made in the US with 75%
American parts. Or GM made in Mexico with 50% American parts?
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 26, 2024 11:39 AM
Last I checked 26,000 American workers were employed by Toyota at six manufacturing/assembly sites. I have no figures on Americans employed in Mexico, and while it's probably not zero, I'm sure it's not many.
What’s more American?
Toyota made in the US with 75%
American parts. Or GM made in Mexico with 50% American parts?
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 26, 2024 11:39 AM
Last I checked 26,000 American workers were employed by Toyota at six manufacturing/assembly sites. I have no figures on Americans employed in Mexico, and while it's probably not zero, I'm sure it's not many.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 26, 2024 11:50 AM (RKVpM)
210
They want what never was, and never will be, but they are going to keep voting for it. Good and hard. You'll see.
Posted by: Common Tater
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I don't actually believe that people are voting Dems in. Elections have been rigged for a long time in the USA by both Dems and GOP. Recent huge primary mail in ballot drops affected a number of GOP primary races in Florida for example. Dollars to donuts, establishment corporate GOPe candidates hired ballot harvesters to get those votes.
Go into ActBlue accounts (and probably WinRed) and you will find squirrely foreign money seeping into our elections, and so on.
The side effect of globalism is that the cloud people easily circumvent borders and interfere in other country's internal affairs including politics.
Posted by: Common Tater
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I don't actually believe that people are voting Dems in. Elections have been rigged for a long time in the USA by both Dems and GOP. Recent huge primary mail in ballot drops affected a number of GOP primary races in Florida for example. Dollars to donuts, establishment corporate GOPe candidates hired ballot harvesters to get those votes.
Go into ActBlue accounts (and probably WinRed) and you will find squirrely foreign money seeping into our elections, and so on.
The side effect of globalism is that the cloud people easily circumvent borders and interfere in other country's internal affairs including politics.
Posted by: whig at August 26, 2024 11:50 AM (kW+z9)
211
We could get rid of the sweatshop laws and have more clothing made here.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 26, 2024 11:50 AM (dDSBl)
212
No muted mics so she can heckle Trump.
Posted by: Jamaica at August 26, 2024 11:50 AM (IG7T0)
213
Harris is also demanding that Trump have to spend the entire debate sitting on a giant operational Roomba.
Posted by: Viva Equity at August 26, 2024 11:50 AM (gpy0L)
214
Here is the rule from the MLB rule book:
"Returning to the game: Once removed, a player cannot return to the game in any capacity for either team."
The guy traded to the opposing team cannot, per MLBs current rules, play in the delayed game for the other team...I'd protest that if it is allowed.
"Returning to the game: Once removed, a player cannot return to the game in any capacity for either team."
The guy traded to the opposing team cannot, per MLBs current rules, play in the delayed game for the other team...I'd protest that if it is allowed.
Posted by: Boswell at August 26, 2024 11:50 AM (K+UlC)
215
Marquess is the English version of the French Marquis. Since the English hated the French they always had to change the spelling when they stole words, so they could pretend it was something new.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 26, 2024 11:50 AM (gBVkZ)
216
Kia changed US manufacturers of their crank shaft. Defect in process caused engine failures. Kia basically replaced every Theta engine ever made under extended warranty including mine at 112k miles.
Posted by: Jamaica at August 26, 2024 11:48 AM (IG7T0)
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Hyundai/Kia handled the Theta problem about as well as something like that can be handled. They acknowledged the problem, took steps to prevent catastrophic engine failure (it will suck if it happens, but the engine is likely to be salvageable), and extended engine warranties to lifetime for the original owner. The already excellent powertrain warranty is now unlimited for the engine.
This *will* depress resale value - and that will hit me when I eventually replace my car - but on balance, it's a solid response. The engine failure *will* be dealt with if it hits you, even if it happens way down the (literal and figurative) road.
It sucks. It was a disastrous design flaw. They handled it pretty decently, I think.
Posted by: Jamaica at August 26, 2024 11:48 AM (IG7T0)
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Hyundai/Kia handled the Theta problem about as well as something like that can be handled. They acknowledged the problem, took steps to prevent catastrophic engine failure (it will suck if it happens, but the engine is likely to be salvageable), and extended engine warranties to lifetime for the original owner. The already excellent powertrain warranty is now unlimited for the engine.
This *will* depress resale value - and that will hit me when I eventually replace my car - but on balance, it's a solid response. The engine failure *will* be dealt with if it hits you, even if it happens way down the (literal and figurative) road.
It sucks. It was a disastrous design flaw. They handled it pretty decently, I think.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:51 AM (HnUIn)
217
"Voting." That's cute.
Posted by: Dominion Ballot Printing Systems at August 26, 2024 11:51 AM (DobEs)
218
Big Honda plant, I think, between Tuscaloosa and Birmingham.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:32 AM (GBKbO
Do you mean the Kia one?
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:34 AM (p4NUW)
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Mercedes near Tuscaloosa
Honda near Talledega
Hyundai near Montgomery
Kia in Georgia near the Alabama border
Toyota engine plant in Huntsville
Big Honda plant, I think, between Tuscaloosa and Birmingham.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:32 AM (GBKbO
Do you mean the Kia one?
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:34 AM (p4NUW)
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Mercedes near Tuscaloosa
Honda near Talledega
Hyundai near Montgomery
Kia in Georgia near the Alabama border
Toyota engine plant in Huntsville
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 26, 2024 11:51 AM (lLoAf)
219
No muted mics so she can heckle Trump.
She is hoping that Trump heckles her so that she can accuse him of "not respecting a woman of color" or some such BS.
She is hoping that Trump heckles her so that she can accuse him of "not respecting a woman of color" or some such BS.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:51 AM (/y8xj)
220
What’s more American?
Toyota made in the US with 75%
American parts. Or GM made in Mexico with 50% American parts?
there's a reason Toyota puts those "Made in Texas" stickers on Tundras
Toyota made in the US with 75%
American parts. Or GM made in Mexico with 50% American parts?
there's a reason Toyota puts those "Made in Texas" stickers on Tundras
Posted by: brak at August 26, 2024 11:52 AM (25k9m)
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207 I'm guessing Kamala doesn't like the idea of standing in 4" heels for 90 minutes.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 26, 2024 11:49 AM (tT6L1)
Who doesn't want to see the wear marks on her knees?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 26, 2024 11:49 AM (tT6L1)
Who doesn't want to see the wear marks on her knees?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 26, 2024 11:52 AM (N39Ws)
222
She is hoping that Trump heckles her so that she can accuse him of "not respecting a woman of color" or some such BS.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:51 AM (/y8xj)
That's what I think
She is hoping that Trump heckles her so that she can accuse him of "not respecting a woman of color" or some such BS.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:51 AM (/y8xj)
That's what I think
Posted by: It's me donna at August 26, 2024 11:52 AM (IyPmt)
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She is hoping that Trump heckles her so that she can accuse him of "not respecting a woman of color" or some such BS.
all it would take is audible exhale for hundreds of "sexist racist dismissive mansplaining" articles
all it would take is audible exhale for hundreds of "sexist racist dismissive mansplaining" articles
Posted by: brak at August 26, 2024 11:53 AM (25k9m)
Posted by: Kindltot at August 26, 2024 11:53 AM (D7oie)
225
Here is the rule from the MLB rule book:
"Returning to the game: Once removed, a player cannot return to the game in any capacity for either team."
Well poo, that's no fun.
"Returning to the game: Once removed, a player cannot return to the game in any capacity for either team."
Well poo, that's no fun.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:53 AM (/y8xj)
226
Three cackles and you're out rule.
Posted by: Just Spitballing at August 26, 2024 11:54 AM (DobEs)
227
159 152 I am wearing Lulu right now...
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:22 AM (p4NUW)
My attorneys will be in touch....
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:22 AM (p4NUW)
My attorneys will be in touch....
Posted by: Lulu Roman, Cornfield County at August 26, 2024 11:54 AM (CV8a5)
228
... Hyundai near Montgomery
Kia in Georgia near the Alabama border ...
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 26, 2024 11:51 AM (lLoAf)
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Those two are also a prime example of maximizing subsidies. Hyundai and Kia put different plants near each other over the state line to squeeze maximum subsidies and incentives from *two* states in direct competition with each other.
It was one of the most mercenary and cynical strategies I've ever seen, but it worked and Hyundai does a lot of manufacturing - including of important shit like the powertrain - in the US and employs a lot of people and it probably ended up being a wash for the states. I doubt Alabama and Georgia actually broke even on those subsidies and inducements, but they do get to collect payroll taxes at least.
Kia in Georgia near the Alabama border ...
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 26, 2024 11:51 AM (lLoAf)
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Those two are also a prime example of maximizing subsidies. Hyundai and Kia put different plants near each other over the state line to squeeze maximum subsidies and incentives from *two* states in direct competition with each other.
It was one of the most mercenary and cynical strategies I've ever seen, but it worked and Hyundai does a lot of manufacturing - including of important shit like the powertrain - in the US and employs a lot of people and it probably ended up being a wash for the states. I doubt Alabama and Georgia actually broke even on those subsidies and inducements, but they do get to collect payroll taxes at least.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:54 AM (HnUIn)
229
I think this is where the government needs to intervene.
Posted by: polynikes
And as soon as they're allowed to do so, they'll hijack the entire economy to favor their union buddies. No thanks.
Posted by: polynikes
And as soon as they're allowed to do so, they'll hijack the entire economy to favor their union buddies. No thanks.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:54 AM (xCA6C)
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203 The problem with trading with China -- or really having any business with them at all -- is that they are a gangster government. The oh-so-smart assured us that China was someone we could deal with, and with so much possible money it was crazy not to get involved. And then they found out that the current Chinese government fundamentally doesn't respect the rule of law. They only honored contracts if forced to: it was a big enough deal that international interests were involved, or a bigger bully pushed out the original bully. Which still costs.
Libertarians, like the leather jacket guy, failed to recognize a gangster government.
Posted by: bittergeek
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Libertarians as in the formal party types are utopians that have the same view of humanity that leftists do. Humans are basically good, etc., nations are naturally peaceful, and so on. Blank slatism goes back to John Locke where he was using it as a rhetorical device to sidestep Hobbesian arguments.
The question always is what to do about the 10-15 percent of humanity that purposefully views the others as sheep to be shorn and eaten which is why the do not harm principle never works in practice.
Libertarians, like the leather jacket guy, failed to recognize a gangster government.
Posted by: bittergeek
========
Libertarians as in the formal party types are utopians that have the same view of humanity that leftists do. Humans are basically good, etc., nations are naturally peaceful, and so on. Blank slatism goes back to John Locke where he was using it as a rhetorical device to sidestep Hobbesian arguments.
The question always is what to do about the 10-15 percent of humanity that purposefully views the others as sheep to be shorn and eaten which is why the do not harm principle never works in practice.
Posted by: whig at August 26, 2024 11:54 AM (kW+z9)
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I find it funny how big Chevy or Ford dealers have a ton of flags on their lots when most of their products are made in Canada or Mexico. I do wonder if the average consumer knows this.
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 26, 2024 11:55 AM (h7wP/)
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230 The question always is what to do about the 10-15 percent of humanity that purposefully views the others as sheep to be shorn and eaten which is why the do not harm principle never works in practice.
Posted by: whig at August 26, 2024 11:54 AM (kW+z9)
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Put them in charge of everyone else!
Posted by: whig at August 26, 2024 11:54 AM (kW+z9)
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Put them in charge of everyone else!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:55 AM (GBKbO)
233
Every moron here knows it but I like the trivia question of ' How is Oscar Wilde connected to modern day boxing?'
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2024 11:55 AM (9ikst)
234
What? They had to kill an elephant for the ivory?
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No, with the keyboard, there were a series of weird events: they have little OLED screens in them, that were separately sourced (from China), delivered to the US, then shipped to the factory in China (go figure), except that for some reason I don't recall, they were turned away at customs and had to be sent back to the US and put on another ship to China. Each of those trips adds a month or two to the timeline. There was also some issues with QC of samples, and after the circuit board was finally approved and the factory paid, they closed up shop and disappeared. Then it took a long time to find a new factory, and the upshot is that a slightly different but functionally identical replacement keyboard was provided (I ordered an Ergodox Infinity and eventually got a Hotdox v2).
Short version of the other thing: factory overbooked. First test samples weren't the right color. After approval, which took 3 rounds, the final product shared a shipping container that had illegal cotton, so had to be sent back to China and resent back to the US. Every step had delays. They look nice, though! (KAT Space Dust)
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No, with the keyboard, there were a series of weird events: they have little OLED screens in them, that were separately sourced (from China), delivered to the US, then shipped to the factory in China (go figure), except that for some reason I don't recall, they were turned away at customs and had to be sent back to the US and put on another ship to China. Each of those trips adds a month or two to the timeline. There was also some issues with QC of samples, and after the circuit board was finally approved and the factory paid, they closed up shop and disappeared. Then it took a long time to find a new factory, and the upshot is that a slightly different but functionally identical replacement keyboard was provided (I ordered an Ergodox Infinity and eventually got a Hotdox v2).
Short version of the other thing: factory overbooked. First test samples weren't the right color. After approval, which took 3 rounds, the final product shared a shipping container that had illegal cotton, so had to be sent back to China and resent back to the US. Every step had delays. They look nice, though! (KAT Space Dust)
Posted by: Rick C at August 26, 2024 11:55 AM (MItL9)
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196 Why does Harris want to be seated now? She can’t stand for 90 minutes?
Kamala's cursed "+4 Shot Glass of Charisma Enhancement" has some wicked side effects on Intelligence, Strength and Dexterity.
Kamala's cursed "+4 Shot Glass of Charisma Enhancement" has some wicked side effects on Intelligence, Strength and Dexterity.
Posted by: Stateless at August 26, 2024 11:55 AM (jvJvP)
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This busty redhead in her underwear likes having a diverse and dynamic domestic economy that isn't utterly dependent on high finance and hostile foreign countries:
http://tiny.cc/mwrjzz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:46 AM (HnUIn)
It looks like she's thinking, I really shouldn't be doing this, BUT........
http://tiny.cc/mwrjzz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:46 AM (HnUIn)
It looks like she's thinking, I really shouldn't be doing this, BUT........
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at August 26, 2024 11:56 AM (g8Ew8)
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One week before I had mine replaced, I drove Buffalo and got 29mpg and lost 2qts of oil.
I left it at the dealer to have it checked. Came back @ 4 o'clock and sales rep says he ordered a new engine.
I left it at the dealer to have it checked. Came back @ 4 o'clock and sales rep says he ordered a new engine.
Posted by: Jamaica at August 26, 2024 11:56 AM (IG7T0)
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Every moron here knows it but I like the trivia question of ' How is Oscar Wilde connected to modern day boxing?'
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2024 11:55 AM (9ikst)
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I don't know it.
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2024 11:55 AM (9ikst)
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I don't know it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:56 AM (HnUIn)
239
No muted mics is Kamala's bet that Trump can't control himself.
Not a bad play. There's no way Trump won't be able to stop himself from interrupting her pitches by saying, "Why didn't you do it?" Over and over.
Not a bad play. There's no way Trump won't be able to stop himself from interrupting her pitches by saying, "Why didn't you do it?" Over and over.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 26, 2024 11:56 AM (KbCG3)
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238 Every moron here knows it but I like the trivia question of ' How is Oscar Wilde connected to modern day boxing?'
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2024 11:55 AM (9ikst)
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I don't know it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:56 AM (HnUIn)
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He said something pithy that got misinterpreted into a rule in boxing?
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2024 11:55 AM (9ikst)
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I don't know it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 11:56 AM (HnUIn)
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He said something pithy that got misinterpreted into a rule in boxing?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:56 AM (GBKbO)
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Here is the rule from the MLB rule book:
"Returning to the game: Once removed, a player cannot return to the game in any capacity for either team."
Well poo, that's no fun.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:53 AM (/y8xj)
You know if that rule wasn't there teams would abuse the hell out of it.
Now up to bat, DH Ohtani.
Gets a single. Is replaced by equally speedy guy at first.
Now up to bat, Center fielder Ohtani.
Gets a single. Is replaced by equally speedy guy at first.
Now up to bat, shortstop Ohtani.
Hits homer.
"Returning to the game: Once removed, a player cannot return to the game in any capacity for either team."
Well poo, that's no fun.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:53 AM (/y8xj)
You know if that rule wasn't there teams would abuse the hell out of it.
Now up to bat, DH Ohtani.
Gets a single. Is replaced by equally speedy guy at first.
Now up to bat, Center fielder Ohtani.
Gets a single. Is replaced by equally speedy guy at first.
Now up to bat, shortstop Ohtani.
Hits homer.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 26, 2024 11:57 AM (FCbAQ)
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239 No muted mics is Kamala's bet that Trump can't control himself.
Not a bad play. There's no way Trump won't be able to stop himself from interrupting her pitches by saying, "Why didn't you do it?" Over and over.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 26, 2024 11:56 AM (KbCG3)
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Eh. Trump controlled himself in the Biden debate.
"But he knew that no one would hear him because his mic was muted." Yeah. He controlled himself.
Not a bad play. There's no way Trump won't be able to stop himself from interrupting her pitches by saying, "Why didn't you do it?" Over and over.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 26, 2024 11:56 AM (KbCG3)
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Eh. Trump controlled himself in the Biden debate.
"But he knew that no one would hear him because his mic was muted." Yeah. He controlled himself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:57 AM (GBKbO)
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The PDT team will probably swat this rule change out of the park.
The Kamala team is beyond stupid to float this and hand a viable campaign issue to PDT.
The Kamala team is beyond stupid to float this and hand a viable campaign issue to PDT.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 26, 2024 11:57 AM (tT6L1)
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239 No muted mics is Kamala's bet that Trump can't control himself.
Not a bad play. There's no way Trump won't be able to stop himself from interrupting her pitches by saying, "Why didn't you do it?" Over and over.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 26, 2024 11:56 AM (KbCG3)
No matter... The media will say Kamala was magnificent and won
Not a bad play. There's no way Trump won't be able to stop himself from interrupting her pitches by saying, "Why didn't you do it?" Over and over.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 26, 2024 11:56 AM (KbCG3)
No matter... The media will say Kamala was magnificent and won
Posted by: It's me donna at August 26, 2024 11:57 AM (IyPmt)
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242 239 No muted mics is Kamala's bet that Trump can't control himself.
Not a bad play. There's no way Trump won't be able to stop himself from interrupting her pitches by saying, "Why didn't you do it?" Over and over.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 26, 2024 11:56 AM (KbCG3)
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Eh. Trump controlled himself in the Biden debate.
"But he knew that no one would hear him because his mic was muted." Yeah. He controlled himself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:57 AM (GBKbO)
Let's put it this way, I don't think anyone could control themselves.
Not a bad play. There's no way Trump won't be able to stop himself from interrupting her pitches by saying, "Why didn't you do it?" Over and over.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 26, 2024 11:56 AM (KbCG3)
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Eh. Trump controlled himself in the Biden debate.
"But he knew that no one would hear him because his mic was muted." Yeah. He controlled himself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 11:57 AM (GBKbO)
Let's put it this way, I don't think anyone could control themselves.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 26, 2024 11:58 AM (KbCG3)
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I don't actually believe that people are voting Dems in. Elections have been rigged for a long time in the USA by both Dems and GOP
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If you believe exit polling and census demographic numbers then Republicans have a 10% advantage over Dems. Also you could have three times the number of young single people voting and it would barely move the needle for the Dems. So all that “young people swing the election to the Dems” is pure BS.
Simply put, outside of massive fraud there is no way for the Dems to be a political force in this country.
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If you believe exit polling and census demographic numbers then Republicans have a 10% advantage over Dems. Also you could have three times the number of young single people voting and it would barely move the needle for the Dems. So all that “young people swing the election to the Dems” is pure BS.
Simply put, outside of massive fraud there is no way for the Dems to be a political force in this country.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 26, 2024 11:58 AM (lLoAf)
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No matter... The media will say Kamala was magnificent and won
Posted by: It's me donna at August 26, 2024 11:57 AM (IyPmt)
And so joyful!
Posted by: It's me donna at August 26, 2024 11:57 AM (IyPmt)
And so joyful!
Posted by: spindrift at August 26, 2024 11:58 AM (OguvZ)
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Well poo, that's no fun.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:53 AM (/y8xj)
Probably before there were contracts in MLB - way back in the day - it would be too easy to just get angry with your team or decide to leave for the other team in the middle of a game - especially if their team was losing a playoff game - to just quit right there and go play the next inning for the eventual winners...thus this rule - you leave the game for any side, for any reason, you're out of the game all together.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 11:53 AM (/y8xj)
Probably before there were contracts in MLB - way back in the day - it would be too easy to just get angry with your team or decide to leave for the other team in the middle of a game - especially if their team was losing a playoff game - to just quit right there and go play the next inning for the eventual winners...thus this rule - you leave the game for any side, for any reason, you're out of the game all together.
Posted by: Boswell at August 26, 2024 11:58 AM (K+UlC)
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No matter... The media will say Kamala was magnificent and won
Posted by: It's me donna at August 26, 2024 11:57 AM (IyPmt)
She has already won Arizona.
Posted by: It's me donna at August 26, 2024 11:57 AM (IyPmt)
She has already won Arizona.
Posted by: Fox News at August 26, 2024 11:58 AM (h7wP/)
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One of the analises I have seen of Venezuela points to the lack of domestic industries as being the main driver of dysfunction, there is not a deep industrial base that cpi;d work around the insane demands of the Maduro regime
this is not completely true, since Venezuela had aluminum and iron casting industries, and some domestic manufacturing, but it was cheaper all around to work in oilfield related services and buy the needful things overseas.
This bothers me a lot since the US has moved to being a money and banking economy buying manufactures over seas, which will be really sucky when the USD goes the way of the Bolivar.
this is not completely true, since Venezuela had aluminum and iron casting industries, and some domestic manufacturing, but it was cheaper all around to work in oilfield related services and buy the needful things overseas.
This bothers me a lot since the US has moved to being a money and banking economy buying manufactures over seas, which will be really sucky when the USD goes the way of the Bolivar.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 26, 2024 11:58 AM (D7oie)
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Another argument for tariffs is that we have the cleanest and most energy efficient manufacturing in the world, so the tariff is a tax on dirty manufacturing. Frame it in a way that it appeals to the 1/3rd of the electorate that is afraid of global warming
Posted by: mrboxty at August 26, 2024 11:59 AM (fHJ75)
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Clay barred it yesterday and the paint still looks good.
Posted by: Jamaica at August 26, 2024 11:59 AM (IG7T0)
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Here you go.
https://tinyurl.com/4b57hmnd
Posted by: one hour sober at August 26, 2024 11:45 AM (Y1sOo)
Dankeschoen. Sometimes I forget how much money is involved in college football and therefore the prime incentive to cheat.
https://tinyurl.com/4b57hmnd
Posted by: one hour sober at August 26, 2024 11:45 AM (Y1sOo)
Dankeschoen. Sometimes I forget how much money is involved in college football and therefore the prime incentive to cheat.
Posted by: pookysgirl, born and raised a Hawkeye at August 26, 2024 11:59 AM (dtlDP)
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Kamala's answer to the "why didn't you do it, then?" will be "because those evil Republicans in the House wouldn't let me".
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:59 AM (xCA6C)
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Houthi rebels attacking container ships
Hey, Reuters, is there a reason that 'rebels' would be attacking container ships that aren't supplying whoever they're 'rebelling' against?
Maybe you could break out the word 'terrorist' once in a while? Maybe 'pirate' if they're stealing the containers and not just blowing s--t up for funsies?
Hey, Reuters, is there a reason that 'rebels' would be attacking container ships that aren't supplying whoever they're 'rebelling' against?
Maybe you could break out the word 'terrorist' once in a while? Maybe 'pirate' if they're stealing the containers and not just blowing s--t up for funsies?
Posted by: mikeski at August 26, 2024 11:59 AM (DgGvY)
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And as soon as they're allowed to do so, they'll hijack the entire economy to favor their union buddies. No thanks.
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Easily enough fixed. The trick is like Japan--unions can only be at the company level--no overarching unions of unions. That pretty much destroys the type of unionism that cratered a lot of US industry.
If the company union and the company share a common fate, the worst of trade unionism is reduced. Hike wages in your company beyond the sustainable level--your company goes bankrupt and you lose your pensions, etc.
The other is to forbid closed union shops everywhere and no requirement for unions to represent non union employees nor for the non union employees to pay anything to the union. That prevents predator union leadership from causing as much harm and requires unions to give benefits commensurate to membership dues.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Easily enough fixed. The trick is like Japan--unions can only be at the company level--no overarching unions of unions. That pretty much destroys the type of unionism that cratered a lot of US industry.
If the company union and the company share a common fate, the worst of trade unionism is reduced. Hike wages in your company beyond the sustainable level--your company goes bankrupt and you lose your pensions, etc.
The other is to forbid closed union shops everywhere and no requirement for unions to represent non union employees nor for the non union employees to pay anything to the union. That prevents predator union leadership from causing as much harm and requires unions to give benefits commensurate to membership dues.
Posted by: whig at August 26, 2024 11:59 AM (kW+z9)
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That's what I think
And four years ago, it would probably have worked. Trump v2024 is a much more disciplined public speaker compared to previous versions.
And four years ago, it would probably have worked. Trump v2024 is a much more disciplined public speaker compared to previous versions.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 12:00 PM (/y8xj)
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so the tariff is a tax on dirty manufacturing. Frame it in a way that it appeals to the 1/3rd of the electorate that is afraid of global warming
Posted by: mrboxty at August 26, 2024 11:59 AM (fHJ75)
That’s an interesting argument.
Posted by: mrboxty at August 26, 2024 11:59 AM (fHJ75)
That’s an interesting argument.
Posted by: Write it off Jerry at August 26, 2024 12:01 PM (h7wP/)
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"The oh-so-smart assured us that China was someone we could deal with, and with so much possible money it was crazy not to get involved. And then they found out that the current Chinese government fundamentally doesn't respect the rule of law. "
Greenspan and Co. always preached that deficits don't matter, it will all work out in the end. Then sometime around 2004 or so, he testified that he found a flaw in his theory.
Of course "it all working out" was always going to be when the American worker made the same as the foreign worker, and we could pollute freely like China, and all sorts of other terrible things.
But we continued to leverage off of the very high stock market and massive debt ... amazing to me we made it this far. I never thought Quantitative Easing and spiraling debt could take US this far.
Greenspan and Co. always preached that deficits don't matter, it will all work out in the end. Then sometime around 2004 or so, he testified that he found a flaw in his theory.
Of course "it all working out" was always going to be when the American worker made the same as the foreign worker, and we could pollute freely like China, and all sorts of other terrible things.
But we continued to leverage off of the very high stock market and massive debt ... amazing to me we made it this far. I never thought Quantitative Easing and spiraling debt could take US this far.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 26, 2024 12:01 PM (Cus5s)
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Easily enough fixed. The trick is like Japan--unions can only be at the company level--no overarching unions of unions. That pretty much destroys the type of unionism that cratered a lot of US industry.
You and I disagree sharply on the definition of "easily".
You and I disagree sharply on the definition of "easily".
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 12:01 PM (xCA6C)
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254 Kamala's answer to the "why didn't you do it, then?" will be "because those evil Republicans in the House wouldn't let me".
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:59 AM (xCA6C)
I'll tell you, what would be hilarious would be for Kamala to come out and completely throw Joe under the bus.
Joe wasn't ready for it. Joe wasn't up for it. I was being a good team player because the alternative was worse.
1% chance it happens but she did lead the coup to oust him. What's she got to lose?
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:59 AM (xCA6C)
I'll tell you, what would be hilarious would be for Kamala to come out and completely throw Joe under the bus.
Joe wasn't ready for it. Joe wasn't up for it. I was being a good team player because the alternative was worse.
1% chance it happens but she did lead the coup to oust him. What's she got to lose?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 26, 2024 12:02 PM (KbCG3)
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It's not just patriotism. Writ large, it's in my self-interest that all Americans have the chance at gainful employment (so they can succeed and pay taxes too). Far more important than my saving an occassional buck at Wal*Mart
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 26, 2024 12:02 PM (Gse2f)
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187 Shock, surprise, Harris wants to change the debate rules. No muted mics and ability to use notes, opening statements and not standing.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:45 AM (p4NUW)
The Democrats are fighting the previous war. The last time they rigged the system Trump destroyed Biden using their rules. They think that this new change will actually help her versus Trump.
Oh, and what are the chances that the 'notes' she will use in the debate will be given to her by the MSM moderators? One hundred percent.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:45 AM (p4NUW)
The Democrats are fighting the previous war. The last time they rigged the system Trump destroyed Biden using their rules. They think that this new change will actually help her versus Trump.
Oh, and what are the chances that the 'notes' she will use in the debate will be given to her by the MSM moderators? One hundred percent.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 26, 2024 12:02 PM (0CU3H)
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Nice Rant and certainly a good idea if, for example -
The US Labor Department drops many of its illogical and legally unsupportable laws affecting manufacturing and other industries & trades.
The role of employers and unions in the Supply Chain Ecosystem is reasonable.
How can employers maintain adequate staffing when ever changing leave and work rules are becoming the norm for U.S. workplaces? (Again, purely for example: Fact Sheet, May 19, 2023, Fast Facts About Minnesota’s New Paid Leave Law, With the governor’s signature, Minnesota’s new legislation will guarantee paid family and medical leave to nearly all workers, starting in 2026.)
And then imagine applying Kamala & Tim's ideas for price containment and distribution.
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No, before the howling begins, I too, belonged to unions, as did a large majority of my family. But there are limits to the application of 'benefits' before workplaces are corrupted and unmanageable. (BTW, small and medium employers will always hurt first and hardest.)
The US Labor Department drops many of its illogical and legally unsupportable laws affecting manufacturing and other industries & trades.
The role of employers and unions in the Supply Chain Ecosystem is reasonable.
How can employers maintain adequate staffing when ever changing leave and work rules are becoming the norm for U.S. workplaces? (Again, purely for example: Fact Sheet, May 19, 2023, Fast Facts About Minnesota’s New Paid Leave Law, With the governor’s signature, Minnesota’s new legislation will guarantee paid family and medical leave to nearly all workers, starting in 2026.)
And then imagine applying Kamala & Tim's ideas for price containment and distribution.
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No, before the howling begins, I too, belonged to unions, as did a large majority of my family. But there are limits to the application of 'benefits' before workplaces are corrupted and unmanageable. (BTW, small and medium employers will always hurt first and hardest.)
Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too. at August 26, 2024 12:03 PM (NFX2v)
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And as soon as they're allowed to do so, they'll hijack the entire economy to favor their union buddies. No thanks.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:54 AM (xCA6
The government does have a constitutional duty regard to maintaining National Security. If we won't allow it to carry out that duty because of the fear they will go too far then what's the sense of having a country. It's always going to be a risk and that's why we have checks and balances. And it has been an ongoing battle since our founding to maintain it.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:54 AM (xCA6
The government does have a constitutional duty regard to maintaining National Security. If we won't allow it to carry out that duty because of the fear they will go too far then what's the sense of having a country. It's always going to be a risk and that's why we have checks and balances. And it has been an ongoing battle since our founding to maintain it.
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2024 12:03 PM (9ikst)
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‘ How is Oscar Wilde connected to modern day boxing?'’
By being ‘connected’ to the Marquess of Queensbury IYKWIM.
‘ How is Oscar Wilde connected to modern day boxing?'’
By being ‘connected’ to the Marquess of Queensbury IYKWIM.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 26, 2024 12:04 PM (jbnUc)
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263 187 Shock, surprise, Harris wants to change the debate rules. No muted mics and ability to use notes, opening statements and not standing.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:45 AM (p4NUW)
Trump shouldn't be doing a debate on ABC ... He has an ongoing lawsuit against them
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 11:45 AM (p4NUW)
Trump shouldn't be doing a debate on ABC ... He has an ongoing lawsuit against them
Posted by: It's me donna at August 26, 2024 12:04 PM (IyPmt)
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Father of Trump shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks hires powerhouse criminal lawyer as FBI intensifies investigation into his role in son's assassination attempt
The parents' choice of law firm suggests that they are bracing for possible criminal charges as well as potential civil action from the families of their son's other victims.
Quinn Logue, the Pittsburgh-based law firm that Matthew Crooks and his wife Mary, 53, have retained, describe themselves as trial attorneys who specialize in both criminal defense and civil suits including wrongful death and personal injury.
The parents' choice of law firm suggests that they are bracing for possible criminal charges as well as potential civil action from the families of their son's other victims.
Quinn Logue, the Pittsburgh-based law firm that Matthew Crooks and his wife Mary, 53, have retained, describe themselves as trial attorneys who specialize in both criminal defense and civil suits including wrongful death and personal injury.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 26, 2024 12:04 PM (1+9li)
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I find it funny how big Chevy or Ford dealers have a ton of flags on their lots when most of their products are made in Canada or Mexico. I do wonder if the average consumer knows this.
The flags are probably made in China too.
The flags are probably made in China too.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 12:04 PM (/y8xj)
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260 Easily enough fixed. The trick is like Japan--unions can only be at the company level--no overarching unions of unions. That pretty much destroys the type of unionism that cratered a lot of US industry.
You and I disagree sharply on the definition of "easily".
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26
This requires substantial law changes. Japan and Korea are horrifically expensive areas to do business in.
Also, see Works Councils and how hard they make life.
In Right to Work states, a union has to represent non dues paying members and non dues paying members have to follow the terms and conditions of the CBA.
You and I disagree sharply on the definition of "easily".
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26
This requires substantial law changes. Japan and Korea are horrifically expensive areas to do business in.
Also, see Works Councils and how hard they make life.
In Right to Work states, a union has to represent non dues paying members and non dues paying members have to follow the terms and conditions of the CBA.
Posted by: Piper at August 26, 2024 12:05 PM (pZEOD)
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This bothers me a lot since the US has moved to being a money and banking economy buying manufactures over seas, which will be really sucky when the USD goes the way of the Bolivar.
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Large deficit spending of a reserve currency nation ends up financializing the economy. Great Britain ended up in the same shape for some of the same reasons during the Victorian Age. The reason is huge arbitrage fees from handling massive in and out flows of currency and from changing one form of currency into another along with investment for the highest yield globally.
Foreign inflows of US currency end up being either invested in the US, remaining outside like the Eurodollar to facilitate trade between non US countries using a common reserve currency, or spent on US treasuries. All of that allows for financial industries to make a killing via arbitrage at the expense of domestic industrial companies.
Posted by: Kindltot
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Large deficit spending of a reserve currency nation ends up financializing the economy. Great Britain ended up in the same shape for some of the same reasons during the Victorian Age. The reason is huge arbitrage fees from handling massive in and out flows of currency and from changing one form of currency into another along with investment for the highest yield globally.
Foreign inflows of US currency end up being either invested in the US, remaining outside like the Eurodollar to facilitate trade between non US countries using a common reserve currency, or spent on US treasuries. All of that allows for financial industries to make a killing via arbitrage at the expense of domestic industrial companies.
Posted by: whig at August 26, 2024 12:05 PM (kW+z9)
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This is unamerican.
Posted by: Bitch McConnell at August 26, 2024 12:05 PM (/U5Yz)
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This is unamerican.
Posted by: Bitch McConnell at August 26, 2024 12:05 PM (/U5Yz)
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So are you, so I'd think you'd like it.
Posted by: Bitch McConnell at August 26, 2024 12:05 PM (/U5Yz)
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So are you, so I'd think you'd like it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 26, 2024 12:06 PM (HnUIn)
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"Simply put, outside of massive fraud there is no way for the Dems to be a political force in this country."
which is why J6ers had to be framed as Insurrectionists, and every one rounded up and fined or imprisoned. Along with any other active anti-regime voice with an audience over a few thousand.
which is why J6ers had to be framed as Insurrectionists, and every one rounded up and fined or imprisoned. Along with any other active anti-regime voice with an audience over a few thousand.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 26, 2024 12:07 PM (Cus5s)
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We were promised that free trade would mean prosperity for Americans - that things would be so much cheaper that we would be able to afford more and better stuff.
But the stuff is crap.
Dishwashers last an average of 7 years, not 20 or 30. Same for most other large appliances.
Many tool brands that moved manufacturing oversees went to crap.
Furniture is cheap, but also crap - unless you spend a lost more and get something made in America or Europe.
We have a lot more stuff, but it falls apart.
But the stuff is crap.
Dishwashers last an average of 7 years, not 20 or 30. Same for most other large appliances.
Many tool brands that moved manufacturing oversees went to crap.
Furniture is cheap, but also crap - unless you spend a lost more and get something made in America or Europe.
We have a lot more stuff, but it falls apart.
Posted by: 29Victor at August 26, 2024 12:07 PM (TL7UX)
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Allow me to translate. "Really Sucky" means
No imported "luxuries". You might be surprised to find what the rest of the world considers essential, and what is considered a luxury. Well maybe you won't, but a whole lot of people will be.
No imported "luxuries". You might be surprised to find what the rest of the world considers essential, and what is considered a luxury. Well maybe you won't, but a whole lot of people will be.
Posted by: Common Tater at August 26, 2024 12:07 PM (HNLv4)
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And regarding tariffs, I'm not someone that believes in some absurd taxation levels. But at least something more than the joke it is now.
Right now, how much in tariffs does say the US collect per iPhone from China? Is it even $1? I doubt it.
Right now, how much in tariffs does say the US collect per iPhone from China? Is it even $1? I doubt it.
Posted by: Blago at August 26, 2024 12:07 PM (wMRY8)
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Comparative advantage at any rate doesn't make the claims people often claims that it makes, it explains why trade exists between technologically/productively superior and inferior nations.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 26, 2024 11:39 AM (eYoxG)
comparative advantage is an attempt to expand division of labor concepts from the small workshop (pin making per Adam Smith) to national economies. It has its use, but as you say it avoids looking at various issues that come from simpler and cheaper transportation. In Ricardo's day it was pointless to ship anything but commodities and low mass high value items between England and France, or America or China because of the additional costs so there was a brake on what transactions made sense.
Even Carl Menger's concept of Marginal Utility avoids looking at if is a good thing to outsource your production, just that it might make sense to focus on the things you are good at that make you the most money.
You have to look into theories discussing bottlenecks and manufacturing flow to decide if outsourcing critical widgets or chemicals is a good thing.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 26, 2024 11:39 AM (eYoxG)
comparative advantage is an attempt to expand division of labor concepts from the small workshop (pin making per Adam Smith) to national economies. It has its use, but as you say it avoids looking at various issues that come from simpler and cheaper transportation. In Ricardo's day it was pointless to ship anything but commodities and low mass high value items between England and France, or America or China because of the additional costs so there was a brake on what transactions made sense.
Even Carl Menger's concept of Marginal Utility avoids looking at if is a good thing to outsource your production, just that it might make sense to focus on the things you are good at that make you the most money.
You have to look into theories discussing bottlenecks and manufacturing flow to decide if outsourcing critical widgets or chemicals is a good thing.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 26, 2024 12:07 PM (D7oie)
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Trump shouldn't be doing a debate on ABC ... He has an ongoing lawsuit against them
Posted by: It's me donna at August 26, 2024 12:04 PM (IyPmt)
I won’t second guess him. Many said he shouldn’t have accepted the terms of the debate in June, and then it knocked Biden out of the race completely.
Fun noting that so far, that goes down in the history books as all time worst Presidential debate performance Ever.
Posted by: It's me donna at August 26, 2024 12:04 PM (IyPmt)
I won’t second guess him. Many said he shouldn’t have accepted the terms of the debate in June, and then it knocked Biden out of the race completely.
Fun noting that so far, that goes down in the history books as all time worst Presidential debate performance Ever.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 26, 2024 12:07 PM (gBVkZ)
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‘ How is Oscar Wilde connected to modern day boxing?'’
By being ‘connected’ to the Marquess of Queensbury IYKWIM.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 26, 2024 12:04 PM (jbnUc)
It sodding was not! It was Shaw!
‘ How is Oscar Wilde connected to modern day boxing?'’
By being ‘connected’ to the Marquess of Queensbury IYKWIM.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 26, 2024 12:04 PM (jbnUc)
It sodding was not! It was Shaw!
Posted by: Oscar Wilde, Very Witty at August 26, 2024 12:08 PM (LxER7)
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273 This is unamerican.
Posted by: Bitch McConnell
Like not funding the FBI. It's not democracy.
Posted by: Bitch McConnell
Like not funding the FBI. It's not democracy.
Posted by: Chuck Grassley at August 26, 2024 12:08 PM (/U5Yz)
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281 Like not funding the FBI. It's not democracy.
Posted by: Chuck Grassley at August 26, 2024 12:08 PM (/U5Yz)
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Not giving the FBI a new headquarters is the same as defunding local police.
Posted by: Chuck Grassley at August 26, 2024 12:08 PM (/U5Yz)
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Not giving the FBI a new headquarters is the same as defunding local police.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reminiscing about lost times with Orson Welles at August 26, 2024 12:09 PM (GBKbO)
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This requires substantial law changes. Japan and Korea are horrifically expensive areas to do business in.
Also, see Works Councils and how hard they make life.
In Right to Work states, a union has to represent non dues paying members and non dues paying members have to follow the terms and conditions of the CBA.
Posted by: Piper
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Piper, I am aware of Taft Hartley and the NLRA but both were kludges. There is no inherent right to force association nor payments on non members period. Part of the US Supreme Court decision making that is moving in the right way is to make closed shops in public employment unconstitutional. It should be true as well for individuals employed in private industry. Agency fees for representing unwilling workers is simply a taxation on non union workers and those workers get few if no benefits from unions for doing so.
Also, see Works Councils and how hard they make life.
In Right to Work states, a union has to represent non dues paying members and non dues paying members have to follow the terms and conditions of the CBA.
Posted by: Piper
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Piper, I am aware of Taft Hartley and the NLRA but both were kludges. There is no inherent right to force association nor payments on non members period. Part of the US Supreme Court decision making that is moving in the right way is to make closed shops in public employment unconstitutional. It should be true as well for individuals employed in private industry. Agency fees for representing unwilling workers is simply a taxation on non union workers and those workers get few if no benefits from unions for doing so.
Posted by: whig at August 26, 2024 12:09 PM (kW+z9)
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Large deficit spending of a reserve currency nation ends up financializing the economy. Great Britain ended up in the same shape for some of the same reasons during the Victorian Age. The reason is huge arbitrage fees from handling massive in and out flows of currency and from changing one form of currency into another along with investment for the highest yield globally.
Foreign inflows of US currency end up being either invested in the US, remaining outside like the Eurodollar to facilitate trade between non US countries using a common reserve currency, or spent on US treasuries. All of that allows for financial industries to make a killing via arbitrage at the expense of domestic industrial companies.
Posted by: whig at August 26, 2024 12:05 PM (kW+z9)
Exports compete each other out and shape what an economy specializes in. It's just Dutch disease with currency instead of a more ordinary good. The US happens to have a very large and diverse economy compared to Spain and Britain though so the impact is less severe.
Foreign inflows of US currency end up being either invested in the US, remaining outside like the Eurodollar to facilitate trade between non US countries using a common reserve currency, or spent on US treasuries. All of that allows for financial industries to make a killing via arbitrage at the expense of domestic industrial companies.
Posted by: whig at August 26, 2024 12:05 PM (kW+z9)
Exports compete each other out and shape what an economy specializes in. It's just Dutch disease with currency instead of a more ordinary good. The US happens to have a very large and diverse economy compared to Spain and Britain though so the impact is less severe.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 26, 2024 12:09 PM (eYoxG)
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How is Oscar Wilde connected to modern day boxing?'’
By being ‘connected’ to the Marquess of Queensbury IYKWIM.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 26, 2024 12:04 PM (jbnUc)
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It was the Marquess' son who was gay. The Marquess himself hated Wilde and destroyed him.
By being ‘connected’ to the Marquess of Queensbury IYKWIM.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 26, 2024 12:04 PM (jbnUc)
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It was the Marquess' son who was gay. The Marquess himself hated Wilde and destroyed him.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 26, 2024 12:09 PM (iFTx/)
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And as soon as they're allowed to do so, they'll hijack the entire economy to favor their union buddies. No thanks.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:54 AM (xCA6
The government does have a constitutional duty regard to maintaining National Security. If we won't allow it to carry out that duty because of the fear they will go too far then what's the sense of having a country. It's always going to be a risk and that's why we have checks and balances. And it has been an ongoing battle since our founding to maintain it.
The answer is that the government SHOULD be involved in certain, very carefully proscribed areas, e.g. defense. However, anything more than that, and they won't stay that way, and in the end, will do more harm than good. When one party's very survival depends on a captured union movement, it is impossible to exercise that restraint.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 11:54 AM (xCA6
The government does have a constitutional duty regard to maintaining National Security. If we won't allow it to carry out that duty because of the fear they will go too far then what's the sense of having a country. It's always going to be a risk and that's why we have checks and balances. And it has been an ongoing battle since our founding to maintain it.
The answer is that the government SHOULD be involved in certain, very carefully proscribed areas, e.g. defense. However, anything more than that, and they won't stay that way, and in the end, will do more harm than good. When one party's very survival depends on a captured union movement, it is impossible to exercise that restraint.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 12:10 PM (xCA6C)
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Good morning! Sharpie makes pretty good quality markers, IMHO.
Posted by: gp At The Internet Desert Oasis at August 26, 2024 12:10 PM (X1vg/)
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I just have to say that this thread proves that AoSHQ is more than just a smart milblog.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 26, 2024 12:10 PM (0CU3H)
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This is a weighty subject deserving of further discussion.
Posted by: Don Black at August 26, 2024 12:11 PM (/7KEl)
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Good morning! Sharpie makes pretty good quality markers, IMHO.
Posted by: gp At The Internet Desert Oasis at August 26, 2024 12:10 PM (X1vg/)
Every avid golfer owns one.
Posted by: gp At The Internet Desert Oasis at August 26, 2024 12:10 PM (X1vg/)
Every avid golfer owns one.
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2024 12:11 PM (9ikst)
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 26, 2024 12:11 PM (bKNaP)
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290 Good morning! Sharpie makes pretty good quality markers, IMHO.
Posted by: gp At The Internet Desert Oasis at August 26, 2024 12:10 PM (X1vg/)
Yes, I use it to write on my freezer bags
Posted by: gp At The Internet Desert Oasis at August 26, 2024 12:10 PM (X1vg/)
Yes, I use it to write on my freezer bags
Posted by: It's me donna at August 26, 2024 12:12 PM (IyPmt)
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Good morning! Sharpie makes pretty good quality markers, IMHO.
Good enough that the name has been noun-ified like Kleenex and Q-tip.
Good enough that the name has been noun-ified like Kleenex and Q-tip.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 26, 2024 12:12 PM (/y8xj)
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Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 12:10 PM (xCA6C)
National Security / Defense involves much more than just the military.
National Security / Defense involves much more than just the military.
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2024 12:13 PM (9ikst)
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289 This is a weighty subject deserving of further discussion.
Posted by: Don Black
What, the issue of leggings in Walmart?
Posted by: Don Black
What, the issue of leggings in Walmart?
Posted by: Humongous Haunches at August 26, 2024 12:13 PM (CV8a5)
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Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 12:10 PM (xCA6C)
National Security / Defense involves much more than just the military.
And then we're back to "we need the government to run semiconductors, health care, pharmaceuticals, the auto industry, and other damn thing that will get us votes". I have no interest in living in Venezuela.
National Security / Defense involves much more than just the military.
And then we're back to "we need the government to run semiconductors, health care, pharmaceuticals, the auto industry, and other damn thing that will get us votes". I have no interest in living in Venezuela.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 12:14 PM (xCA6C)
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295 289 This is a weighty subject deserving of further discussion.
Posted by: Don Black
What, the issue of leggings in Walmart?
Posted by: Humongous Haunches at August 26, 2024 12:13 PM (CV8a5)
Mine are black which is slimming
Posted by: Don Black
What, the issue of leggings in Walmart?
Posted by: Humongous Haunches at August 26, 2024 12:13 PM (CV8a5)
Mine are black which is slimming
Posted by: Walmart land whale at August 26, 2024 12:15 PM (IyPmt)
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Off, Oscar sock.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at August 26, 2024 12:15 PM (LxER7)
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@212
>> No muted mics so she can heckle Trump.
The no muted mics is so when inevitably Kambala says something outrageous and Trump interjects, she can say, I'm not finished, I'm not finished.
And then all of the Donk Apparatckicks and NPC can treat it like... Slay Queen Put Orange Man Bad in his place, YAAAAASSSSS!!! YASSSSSSS!!!!
>> No muted mics so she can heckle Trump.
The no muted mics is so when inevitably Kambala says something outrageous and Trump interjects, she can say, I'm not finished, I'm not finished.
And then all of the Donk Apparatckicks and NPC can treat it like... Slay Queen Put Orange Man Bad in his place, YAAAAASSSSS!!! YASSSSSSS!!!!
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 26, 2024 12:15 PM (XV/Pl)
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BTW, it is not labor costs doing Korea or Japan in but rather both rely heavily on commodity markets for food, raw materials for their industries, etc. And land is in short supply (or was as Japan is dying off literally and Korea is only about one generation from that situation.
You find the same high cost of living in Singapore for example or Dubai. Land is scarce so building including habitations is expensive because a lot of it is vertical.
It is not just labor. And the labor councils in Germany more or less worked in that country until the huge influx of migrants has destroyed the German economy engineered on purpose by Mama Merkel. The Green idiocy on energy pursuing ill suited solar and wind instead of nukes has made it catastrophic.
So, any woes of the German economy were not much if at all due to worker councils but can be attributed mainly to unrestricted immigration, German banks loans to deadbeats like Greece that sucked up German capital, and Green idiocy.
You find the same high cost of living in Singapore for example or Dubai. Land is scarce so building including habitations is expensive because a lot of it is vertical.
It is not just labor. And the labor councils in Germany more or less worked in that country until the huge influx of migrants has destroyed the German economy engineered on purpose by Mama Merkel. The Green idiocy on energy pursuing ill suited solar and wind instead of nukes has made it catastrophic.
So, any woes of the German economy were not much if at all due to worker councils but can be attributed mainly to unrestricted immigration, German banks loans to deadbeats like Greece that sucked up German capital, and Green idiocy.
Posted by: whig at August 26, 2024 12:15 PM (kW+z9)
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290 Good morning! Sharpie makes pretty good quality markers, IMHO.
Posted by: gp At The Internet Desert Oasis
They don't hold up well on metal. I have a handful of special use sockets that I labeled with a Sharpie. After a couple of uses the ink doesn't hold up. They work great on everything else I've used them on.
Posted by: gp At The Internet Desert Oasis
They don't hold up well on metal. I have a handful of special use sockets that I labeled with a Sharpie. After a couple of uses the ink doesn't hold up. They work great on everything else I've used them on.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 26, 2024 12:15 PM (/U5Yz)
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285 How is Oscar Wilde connected to modern day boxing?'’
By being ‘connected’ to the Marquess of Queensbury IYKWIM.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 26, 2024 12:04 PM (jbnUc)
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It was the Marquess' son who was gay. The Marquess himself hated Wilde and destroyed him.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 26, 2024 12:09 PM (iFTx/)
Indeed. I started reading Wilde's De Profundis a while back, which is the letter that he wrote the Marquess' son while he was sitting in prison. Wilde is one of my favorite authors. What happened to him was a crime. The prison stretch broke him.
By being ‘connected’ to the Marquess of Queensbury IYKWIM.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 26, 2024 12:04 PM (jbnUc)
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It was the Marquess' son who was gay. The Marquess himself hated Wilde and destroyed him.
Posted by: Doctor Elric Blade, Esq. at August 26, 2024 12:09 PM (iFTx/)
Indeed. I started reading Wilde's De Profundis a while back, which is the letter that he wrote the Marquess' son while he was sitting in prison. Wilde is one of my favorite authors. What happened to him was a crime. The prison stretch broke him.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 26, 2024 12:16 PM (0CU3H)
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And in other news, pavers got here early and and look like they may be finished before 5pm.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 26, 2024 12:17 PM (XV/Pl)
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296 Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 12:10 PM (xCA6C)
"National Security / Defense involves much more than just the military."
And then we're back to "we need the government to run semiconductors, health care, pharmaceuticals, the auto industry, and other damn thing that will get us votes". I have no interest in living in Venezuela.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 12:14 PM (xCA6C)
Having a trade policy that shapes trade flows to be through controlled or defensible areas/countries doesn't have to involve running the businesses. There's the constant struggle by special interests to manipulate how it's applied though.
"National Security / Defense involves much more than just the military."
And then we're back to "we need the government to run semiconductors, health care, pharmaceuticals, the auto industry, and other damn thing that will get us votes". I have no interest in living in Venezuela.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 12:14 PM (xCA6C)
Having a trade policy that shapes trade flows to be through controlled or defensible areas/countries doesn't have to involve running the businesses. There's the constant struggle by special interests to manipulate how it's applied though.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 26, 2024 12:17 PM (eYoxG)
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Posted by: Archimedes at August 26, 2024 12:14 PM (xCA6C)
Choose one
Reductio ad absurdum , Slippery Slope fallacy,
Straw Man fallacy
Choose one
Reductio ad absurdum , Slippery Slope fallacy,
Straw Man fallacy
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2024 12:18 PM (9ikst)
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Bongino's podcast with 4 congressmen drew 200,000 listeners.
The J13 panel inquiry is going live now:
https://tinyurl.com/2s4fzy5d
The J13 panel inquiry is going live now:
https://tinyurl.com/2s4fzy5d
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 26, 2024 12:18 PM (Da7Vv)
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Dost mein ears deceive me? They've actually put a chance of rain in the forecast for this afternoon?
Bet it won't happen, tho'.
Bet it won't happen, tho'.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at August 26, 2024 12:18 PM (LxER7)
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so the tariff is a tax on dirty manufacturing. Frame it in a way that it appeals to the 1/3rd of the electorate that is afraid of global warming
Posted by: mrboxty at August 26, 2024 11:59 AM (fHJ75)
also on sweatshop and slave/compelled labor, that brings the honest unions on board
Posted by: mrboxty at August 26, 2024 11:59 AM (fHJ75)
also on sweatshop and slave/compelled labor, that brings the honest unions on board
Posted by: Kindltot at August 26, 2024 12:18 PM (D7oie)
Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 26, 2024 12:19 PM (0CU3H)
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Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 26, 2024 12:16 PM (0CU3H)
One of my favorite persons to quote.
One of my favorite persons to quote.
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2024 12:19 PM (9ikst)
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Exports compete each other out and shape what an economy specializes in. It's just Dutch disease with currency instead of a more ordinary good. The US happens to have a very large and diverse economy compared to Spain and Britain though so the impact is less severe.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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That is basically not true on the international level. Exports do not compete as it were on economic terms but geopolitical.
For example, the US made a deal with Saudis for the establishment of the Eurodollar market which came about because US guaranteed Saudi protection in a bad part of the world while the Saudis could garner good returns without disrupting US internal economy caused by massive flows. China similarly invested its huge flows via US treasuries instead of direct investment.
It is relatively true within a smaller trade organization such as the EU that established certain ground rules that have penalties. IF the EU had stayed the EC, they would have been more successful. But neither GATT nor its successor have done much to create a rules based international economy any more than the ICC created a world free from state sponsored criminals.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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That is basically not true on the international level. Exports do not compete as it were on economic terms but geopolitical.
For example, the US made a deal with Saudis for the establishment of the Eurodollar market which came about because US guaranteed Saudi protection in a bad part of the world while the Saudis could garner good returns without disrupting US internal economy caused by massive flows. China similarly invested its huge flows via US treasuries instead of direct investment.
It is relatively true within a smaller trade organization such as the EU that established certain ground rules that have penalties. IF the EU had stayed the EC, they would have been more successful. But neither GATT nor its successor have done much to create a rules based international economy any more than the ICC created a world free from state sponsored criminals.
Posted by: whig at August 26, 2024 12:21 PM (kW+z9)
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311 Exports compete each other out and shape what an economy specializes in. It's just Dutch disease with currency instead of a more ordinary good. The US happens to have a very large and diverse economy compared to Spain and Britain though so the impact is less severe.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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That is basically not true on the international level. Exports do not compete as it were on economic terms but geopolitical.
Posted by: whig at August
It's terribly difficult for a country like Saudi Arabia or Argentina to develop other parts of their economies due to having strong exports in their respective commodities. The high profitability of those sectors results in the intuitive specialization we'd expect, despite substantial efforts to the contrary.
In currency terms, the oil the Saudis export drives up their currency value, making it hard to develop other export industries(as well as making it cheap to import those other goods). As an otherwise resource-poor land with lots of population, they'd be a natural candidate for low skilled manufacture without the oil.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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That is basically not true on the international level. Exports do not compete as it were on economic terms but geopolitical.
Posted by: whig at August
It's terribly difficult for a country like Saudi Arabia or Argentina to develop other parts of their economies due to having strong exports in their respective commodities. The high profitability of those sectors results in the intuitive specialization we'd expect, despite substantial efforts to the contrary.
In currency terms, the oil the Saudis export drives up their currency value, making it hard to develop other export industries(as well as making it cheap to import those other goods). As an otherwise resource-poor land with lots of population, they'd be a natural candidate for low skilled manufacture without the oil.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 26, 2024 12:26 PM (eYoxG)
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National Security / Defense involves much more than just the military.
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2024 12:13 PM (9ikst)
Woodrow Wilson certainly thought so, and you can see what he created.
Part of this is the Fed operating as a central bank, and direct taxation along with deficit spending. Without those three things war is stuck at what can be paid for out of current budgets, and we would be restrained financially in what military adventures we wanted to be involved in.
Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2024 12:13 PM (9ikst)
Woodrow Wilson certainly thought so, and you can see what he created.
Part of this is the Fed operating as a central bank, and direct taxation along with deficit spending. Without those three things war is stuck at what can be paid for out of current budgets, and we would be restrained financially in what military adventures we wanted to be involved in.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 26, 2024 12:29 PM (D7oie)
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"Repatriating." Huh.
The same owner, Newell Brands, this year closed the Calphalon plant in northwest Ohio in favor of their imported product line.
The MBA giveth, the MBA taketh away.
PR flacking and propaganda go on forever.
The same owner, Newell Brands, this year closed the Calphalon plant in northwest Ohio in favor of their imported product line.
The MBA giveth, the MBA taketh away.
PR flacking and propaganda go on forever.
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at August 26, 2024 12:37 PM (zdLoL)
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At the beginning and end of the day, China is a Communist country. As such, people who live in China are enslaved and their wages are determined not buy supply and demand, but by their slave-holding masters. If Nikole Hannah-Jones wants to wonder about the economic system of plantations in Antebellum South, look directly at China.
Once you accept China, Cuba, or Vietnam as slave plantations, then you finally accept that their is no free trade with China. The workers are not free.
Once you accept China, Cuba, or Vietnam as slave plantations, then you finally accept that their is no free trade with China. The workers are not free.
Posted by: wferrin at August 26, 2024 01:02 PM (3bkGz)
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Libertarians, like the leather jacket guy, failed to recognize a gangster government.
This has to be the only rock you can kick over and hear Richard Nixon being called a Libertarian. You're in a blind rage.
This has to be the only rock you can kick over and hear Richard Nixon being called a Libertarian. You're in a blind rage.
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at August 26, 2024 01:02 PM (zdLoL)
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I must have missed the grave dancing. Odds are we run in different circles.
A lot of words...try "sold out by our own government".
A lot of words...try "sold out by our own government".
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at August 26, 2024 01:38 PM (Z8Yh2)
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I have a new fondness for Sharpies. I went to a show the other night, more interested in the warm-up band than the headliners. During the headline show, I spotted the warm-up band standing off to the side. I stopped by the bar and asked if they had a permanent marker I could borrow for a minute. The warm-up band was gracious and signed the merch t-shirt of theirs I had purchased, and then I returned the pen to the bartender. So thank you Sharpie for the chance to talk with the group!
Posted by: idgent at August 26, 2024 01:45 PM (PzOlS)
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The pen is mightier!
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at August 26, 2024 02:17 PM (Ug3IJ)
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The federal government subsisted mainly on tariffs until 1913. The Leviathon feeds on income taxes, destroying our wealth.
Tariffs, not taxes.
Tariffs, not taxes.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at August 26, 2024 02:30 PM (Cpd/p)
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The problem remains: how do decent American wages compete with Chinese slave wages?
Posted by: Charles Martel
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They don't. More accurately, they didn't. That's not what the situation is, today. The Chinese have used the income they've had to start automating production, both because they can't get away with "slave wages" - their domestic economy has moved past third-world - and to preemptively beat the US.
If we sit back on our ass, they will continue to have us over a barrel. "Encouraging" on-shoring with tax breaks or outright grants for automation equipment when necessary is the right thing to do.
When it's Chinese automation vs US automation the wage difference becomes low enough that it's advantage is overcome by transport costs and all the other negatives of having your manufacturing far away.
Posted by: Charles Martel
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They don't. More accurately, they didn't. That's not what the situation is, today. The Chinese have used the income they've had to start automating production, both because they can't get away with "slave wages" - their domestic economy has moved past third-world - and to preemptively beat the US.
If we sit back on our ass, they will continue to have us over a barrel. "Encouraging" on-shoring with tax breaks or outright grants for automation equipment when necessary is the right thing to do.
When it's Chinese automation vs US automation the wage difference becomes low enough that it's advantage is overcome by transport costs and all the other negatives of having your manufacturing far away.
Posted by: buddhaha at August 26, 2024 02:45 PM (VoS8E)
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While Newell may be removing jobs from China they moved all Rubbermaid manufacturing operations to Mexico. The elites don't care about America.
Posted by: Jane at August 26, 2024 02:51 PM (bXvrr)
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The Pricks who run our government have corrupted the whole “most favored nation” status. If that status meant anything true, then our trading partners would be rewarded if we had reciprocal free trade. And it would be removed if we did not.
Posted by: JackWayne at August 26, 2024 05:31 PM (XfOtd)
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VERY good article. Surprisingly good for AoS which is frequently pretty good, but never brilliant.
One of the factors involved is the port cities vs the heartland. But....while LA and the East coast are great....Mark Twain adressed things in the beginning of Life on the Missisippi...
"But the basin of the Mississippi is the BODY OF THE NATION. All other parts are but members, important in themselves, yet more important in relation to this."
"In extent it is the second great valley of the world, being only exceeded by the Amazon."
"Latitude, elevation, and rainfall all combine to render every part of the Mississippi Valley capable of supporting a dense population. As a dwelling place for civilized man it is by far the first upon our globe."
One of the factors involved is the port cities vs the heartland. But....while LA and the East coast are great....Mark Twain adressed things in the beginning of Life on the Missisippi...
"But the basin of the Mississippi is the BODY OF THE NATION. All other parts are but members, important in themselves, yet more important in relation to this."
"In extent it is the second great valley of the world, being only exceeded by the Amazon."
"Latitude, elevation, and rainfall all combine to render every part of the Mississippi Valley capable of supporting a dense population. As a dwelling place for civilized man it is by far the first upon our globe."
Posted by: Eric2 at August 26, 2024 07:30 PM (hSVY4)
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Speakiing of Kevin D Williamson, whatever happened to him after The Atlantic? Someone said he joined the cucks at the Dispatch.
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