Judge Rules that Google "Is a Monopolist" In the Search Sector of the Economy

The most money-making part of the internet is search -- deciding what people see when they look for products, information, and political information --and Google is a monopolist in it.

They're also a monopolist in the second biggest money-making part of the internet sector -- placing ads on websites -- but this judge hasn't ruled on that.

And of course the search function gives Google the power to privilege some businesses (like CNN) and punish others (like mine). And of course this isn't a hypothetical power they can abuse; try searching for "Trump rally" and they'll serve you ten articles for "Kamala Harris rally."

Search for news about anything and Google will make you scroll through two or three pages of results until you find one that isn't from CNN, MSNBC, Bloomberg, AL FUCKING JAZEERA, etc.

They use their monopoly power to create a Reality Distortion Field the power and extent of which would make Hitler and Stalin go green with envy.

That's why monopolies are illegal: Because the monopolist has the power from his one part of the economy, which is already distorted by the presence of a monopoly, to distort many other parts of the economy. He can use his monopoly power in one market to distort other markets.

And Google is unquestionably doing that.

I just don't understand people who are still relying on Talking Points from Rush Limbaugh from the 1993 anti-trust lawsuit about Microsoft, or talking points from National Review's gang of corporatist-funded corporate authoritarians, to see that yes, Google is a monopoly and further, Google is using that monopoly power in exactly the way we don't want it to, to leverage that monopoly power in one sector of the economy to pick winners and losers in every other sector.

Judge Declares Google a Monopoly: What Comes Next
Judge Amit Mehta said in his ruling that the company "is a monopolist," and has violated US antitrust law, specifically, Section 2 of the Sherman Act.

On Monday, a federal judge ruled against tech giant Google in a landmark case that alleged the company acted illegally to keep a monopoly in search, saying it paid companies to make Google the default search engine on smartphones and other devices.

People who repeat the Zombie Talking Point that "monopolies are transitory because competitors always rise up" stupidly ignore the fact that Google is paying other companies to make its offering the default option.

And when, exactly, will these competitors "rise up" and displace Google? In sixty fucking years? Maybe 100? Maybe 300?

What are people, like me, supposed to do for sixty fucking years as Google uses its monopoly to deny traffic to my business? Shall I just quote happily from Adam Smith and babble about "the Invisible Hand" coming to rescue me in 60 years as I go bankrupt?

The case has the potential to change how tech companies do business, as well as how their customers find answers to their online search queries. The trial, held last year, took 10 weeks and was years in the making.
"After having carefully considered and weighed the witness testimony and evidence, the court reaches the following conclusion: Google is a monopolist, and it has acted as one to maintain its monopoly," US District Judge Amit Mehta wrote. "It has violated Section 2 of the Sherman Act."
Why is this so important?
The ruling comes as Big Tech is seeing renewed scrutiny from regulators both domestically and abroad. Apple was hit with an antitrust suit by the US Department of Justice and 16 state attorneys general earlier this year arguing that the iPhone maker had too tight of a control on its premium handset, preventing other companies from creating applications that could compete with its own.
Amazon too was hit with a lawsuit by the US Federal Trade Commission and 17 state attorneys general last year alleging the online retail giant engages in exclusionary and anticompetitive behavior. And, per the EU's Digital Markets Act, Apple had to allow third-party app stores to work with iPhone. Google itself has been embroiled in a number of lawsuits, including one involving data handling in its Chrome browser.
Google is currently the king of online search, with over 91% global market share, according to GlobalStats.

Mehta's ruling did not include potential remedies for Google's behavior, The New York Times reports. His decision in that regard could force the company to change how it operates or even sell off part of the company.

They're also a monopoly in placing advertising on websites. Again, they use this monopoly power to destroy businesses -- and speech, and political parties and political movements they disapprove of -- using the power of monopoly that we are for some reason permitting them to keep and abuse.

I don't know if you can talk about squelching political parties and movements as being an anti-trust violation. I don't know if political movements can be protected by the law the way actual businesses can, so I'm focusing on people trying to earn a living and being destroyed by this monopoly.

But yes, Google is leveraging its monopoly power to favor the radical left and to silence the common-sense right.

Break. Them. Up.

Using your monopoly power to squelch competition is the ONE FUCKING THING that monopolies are not allowed to do. Obviously, using monopoly power to squelch competition is stopping the very "free market forces" the babbling libertarian morons claim will "create new competitors to rise up."

But whatever, the corporatists gotta repeat corporatist propaganda to keep them corporatist donations flowing.

Can't wait for National Review and Commentary to tell us all that we must support Google and wait for that 60-150 years for "competitors to rise up naturally."

Corporations are not deities to be worshiped and I wish the Corporate Cultists would realize that.

But, of course, the monopolies are paying them to be pro-monopoly -- again, leveraging their monopoly power to keep their monopoly power.

And I know National Review and the rest of the corporate cucks are doing just fine with search and advertising: Google makes sure it keeps its Controlled Opposition as the main opposition people can turn to, while ruthlessly throttling the real opposition.

.⁦@elonmusk⁩ caught this first ! It seemed totally absurd but he is correct. Google should explain this pic.twitter.com/oN18jlzq5b
— Greta Van Susteren (@greta) July 31, 2024

🚨BREAKING: I am launching a full investigation into @Google’s censorship & bias that is constricting the free flow of information. Google, the largest Search Engine Operator in the world, has become a propaganda wing of the Left. No more hiding behind your algorithm- your time… pic.twitter.com/l40L4TVQS4
— Dr. Roger Marshall (@RogerMarshallMD) July 31, 2024

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 05:53 PM

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Posted by: GF at August 05, 2024 05:53 PM (aJxr8)

2 Anyone else waiting for Judge Mehta to rule against Meta at some point?

Posted by: Catherine at August 05, 2024 05:53 PM (ZSsrh)

3 Good. Break them up.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 05, 2024 05:54 PM (u73oe)

4 About damn time.

Posted by: Senator Sherman at August 05, 2024 05:55 PM (VGOMa)

5 Decimation?

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at August 05, 2024 05:55 PM (XMwZJ)

6 Ooooo Monopoly! Dibs on the top hat.

Posted by: She Hobbit at August 05, 2024 05:56 PM (ftFVW)

7 >>>2 Anyone else waiting for Judge Mehta to rule against Meta at some point?

Hand up, I admit I got confused reading this.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 05:56 PM (KRtlO)

8 Haven't Google searched in years.

DDG, Metacrawler...

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 05, 2024 05:57 PM (dg+HA)

9 How anyone can think Gargle is anything but a monopoly is beyond me. If they were awesomely unbiased, they'd still be one and their ability to annoy me would still be legendary. Yeah, I know, I'm easily annoyed, but still.

Posted by: Catherine at August 05, 2024 05:57 PM (ZSsrh)

10 Monopolies can only stay around with the help of government. There's your problem. Break up the government and the google problem goes away.

Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at August 05, 2024 05:57 PM (P7Iz+)

11 Now the IC will tell the judge about all the kiddie porn they put errr found on his computer.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 05, 2024 05:57 PM (u73oe)

12 This is one area of the law where the liberal justices on the Supreme Court are more correct than the Super Pro Business conservative justices who pretend it's still 1985. The libs are tougher with regard to anti-trust law. Kavanaugh went off the reservation in an Apple case a few years ago and said, yeah, Apple is a monopoly, and ruled with the libs. It may have been when Ginsburg was still alive so they were able to get a 5 vote majority.

Posted by: TRich at August 05, 2024 05:58 PM (4XeS7)

13 Break up the government and the google problem goes away.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz

Yes! I like the way you think.

Posted by: She Hobbit at August 05, 2024 05:59 PM (ftFVW)

14 You're going bankrupt, Ace?
This is the wrong economy to be buying shelves, sounds like.

Seriously, I hope things are ok man.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at August 05, 2024 05:59 PM (xcxpd)

15
So what's the next step? Do they just pay a giant fine and keep monopolizing, or is there some referee who will tell them exactly what they have to do/stop doing?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at August 05, 2024 05:59 PM (pgtWZ)

16 Also FUCK GOOGLE. Cut off search from the rest of the company and watch the whole of Alphabet burn.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at August 05, 2024 05:59 PM (xcxpd)

17 I'm not at all opposed to breaking up Google.

But how can it be done?

Who will enforce it?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 05, 2024 05:59 PM (BpYfr)

18 Now breakup healthcare monopolies.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at August 05, 2024 06:00 PM (Da6uD)

19 The subscribers to National Review, all 73 of the octogenarians who are all that still read the print edition, are going to be so confused about all the articles defending that google-whatsit.

"Whatever happened to Buckley!? That man could write a fine missive."

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 05, 2024 06:01 PM (5olC1)

20 So Raskin is planning civil war? Isn't that insurrectionny? Or doesn't it count if a dem does it.

Posted by: enough BS at August 05, 2024 06:01 PM (2NXcZ)

21 Pretty sure DDG uses google search

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at August 05, 2024 06:02 PM (Ka3bZ)

22 I was expecting 'Commenter' to get a H/T on this one.

Posted by: garrett at August 05, 2024 06:02 PM (BwNH5)

23 Who exactly are these angels in government that you want to perform this action? You think the duplicitous, venal and corrupt government agents will suddenly start doing "the right thing" right now? Just naive at best and stupid at worst. Shrink the power and scope of the Federal Government and you won't have to worry about google no mo. Not saying it's easy, but it's not complicated either.

Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at August 05, 2024 06:02 PM (P7Iz+)

24 Is it National Google Review or Google National Review?

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at August 05, 2024 06:02 PM (Da6uD)

25 Alt Headlines:

Shelf Futures Tumble

Posted by: garrett at August 05, 2024 06:03 PM (BwNH5)

26 Pull my finger.

Posted by: The Invisible Hand at August 05, 2024 06:03 PM (aD39U)

27 updated with videos of Google giving you stories about Kamala Harris rallies when you explicitly search for "Trump rally."

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:03 PM (KRtlO)

28 Wasn't Microsoft gone after by the government for bundling its own browser (IE) with its own operating system, like if how Google bundles Chrome with Android? (Yes I know they made it difficult to uninstall IE or something like that, though I've not tried to uninstall Chrome on my Android phone)

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at August 05, 2024 06:04 PM (lg881)

29 But how can it be done?

Ask Jeeves.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at August 05, 2024 06:04 PM (DsA2n)

30 >>Shall I just quote happily from Adam Smith and babble about "the Invisible Hand" coming to rescue me in 60 years as I go bankrupt?

I thought The Invisible Hand was that maneuver you do at a movie theater with your date?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 05, 2024 06:04 PM (XV/Pl)

31 Letitia James was one of the AGs in the suit against Google and is now shaking and wagging her past expired strapon dildo around on what a great victory this is

not sure how I feel about that

also, fuck google and retarded libertarians

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Esteemed Trump-Ho and Searcher of Wagshambas at August 05, 2024 06:04 PM (DBZuM)

32 I recall that it took years for them to break up Ma Bell back in the day when they were declared a monopoly. It probably takes longer these days with all of the added red tape.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 05, 2024 06:04 PM (QNSds)

33 Whatever happened to Buckley!? That man could write a fine missive."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 05, 2024 06:01 PM (5olC1)

He was an effing Gatekeeper. Eff that guy

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at August 05, 2024 06:04 PM (Da6uD)

34 *loads dead bear into truck bed×

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at August 05, 2024 06:04 PM (4Med0)

35 >>>23 Who exactly are these angels in government that you want to perform this action? You think the duplicitous, venal and corrupt government agents will suddenly start doing "the right thing" right now? Just naive at best and stupid at worst. Shrink the power and scope of the Federal Government and you won't have to worry about google no mo. Not saying it's easy, but it's not complicated either.

fuck off, dum-dum

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:04 PM (KRtlO)

36 I am getting sick and tired of Kamala ads popping up on YouTube, despite me asking them to block them.

Haven't seen any Trump ads, so I am assuming that Barky's minions are happily placing Kammie's ads - probably free of charge

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies' Brigade plucky comic relief at August 05, 2024 06:04 PM (SRRAx)

37 Google and the government are like siamese twins.

ace, can you sell advertising outside of these bundling services?

Posted by: Ben Had at August 05, 2024 06:05 PM (5MvGY)

38 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 42m
BREAKING - Online streamer Adin Ross gifts Donald Trump a Cybertruck wrapped with the iconic 'fist' image of him

https://tinyurl.com/3aku2vrh
57 seconds; a shot at Google too

Politics UK @PolitlcsUK 2h
🚨 NEW: Elon Musk has hit out at Keir Starmer, saying he should be concerned about attacks on all communities not just Muslim communities

Ezra Levant 🍁🚛 @ezralevant 12m
Oh boy.

They're going to come after Twitter for sure, now.

Posted by: andycanuck (i0CiB) at August 05, 2024 06:05 PM (i0CiB)

39 The government would not be put "in control" of google. The usual remedy is to force a monopolist to break up into multiple smaller companies, thus instantly becoming its own competitors.

but keep repeating the dummy dum-dum talking points, dum-dum.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:05 PM (KRtlO)

40 DuckDuckGo is not working on my PC today. Maybe it's my PC but maybe it's something else. Idk

Posted by: PJU at August 05, 2024 06:05 PM (G1dq6)

41 What's even crazy about the "free market forces" argument here is that Microsoft - a multi-trillion dollar megacorp - has TRIED to challenge Google in THIS specific space, and has found it almost impossible because of their anticompetitive behavior. (Including the linking of Android phones with Google search.)

If Microsoft can't break through, who the hell else is going to actually manage it? Duck Duck Go?

Posted by: bob at August 05, 2024 06:05 PM (EQ87B)

42 How about how all the Google groupies skate right past the fact that Google buys up any and all competition-- even at inflated valuations?

That's textbook monopoly behavior.

It's like black letter "this is 100% an illegal monopoly act" under the law.

Lol, Jim "Google" Jordan isn't even going to have to fundraise this year. Google will just back the dump truck of cash right to his garage.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 05, 2024 06:06 PM (5olC1)

43 to paraphrase the Guildmaster: "the grift must flow"

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at August 05, 2024 06:06 PM (UWgy2)

44 Google is a horrible company to work with if you're advertising online -- and it's difficult to avoid them if you do want to advertise. This was not the case even as recently as 8-9 years ago.

I'm a lawyer who advertised my services with them when they just pulled the rug out and said "we don't want to advertise your variety of services on our search results." One area that I engage in is creditor bankruptcy work. They decided to lump bankruptcy attorney work in with debt consolidation fraudsters, which is ridiculous, and they don't allow debt consolidation to be advertised (don't blame them on that front, but the execution is poor). You call them up and get you someone from India on the phone who's sole job is to NOT help and NOT let you know what to do to remedy the situation.

A monopoly does this because they have no competition, they're not competing. Here I was WANTING to pay them money, just like I had for the prior 13 years and they were purposely avoiding taking my money. Who does business like this other than a monopoly?

Posted by: TRich at August 05, 2024 06:06 PM (4XeS7)

45 My Uncle once shot a Bear on a Hunting Trip in the Adirondacks.
He drove it back to his home in the N. Bronx in his MG.
Put it in the Passenger Seat.
Slapped the seatbelt on it and stapled a hat to its head and rolled the whole way home on the NYS Thruway with the top down.

Posted by: garrett at August 05, 2024 06:06 PM (BwNH5)

46 "the Invisible Hand"
--------

*sobs*

Posted by: Michelle Fields at August 05, 2024 06:06 PM (lX8VI)

47 I am getting sick and tired of Kamala ads popping up on YouTube, despite me asking them to block them.

Haven't seen any Trump ads, so I am assuming that Barky's minions are happily placing Kammie's ads - probably free of charge
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies' Brigade plucky comic relief at August 05, 2024 06:04 PM (SRRAx)

Every time I open something on Yewtooob there is a Kamal add

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 05, 2024 06:07 PM (NtVYv)

48 >>DuckDuckGo is not working on my PC today. Maybe it's my PC but maybe it's something else. Idk

Not working on mine either.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 05, 2024 06:07 PM (LkLld)

49 hey remember when the government "took over" Bell Telephone and made all of the decisions for Bell for the next 60 years?

Um, no, because that isn't what happened. Bell Telephone broke up into AT&T and the "baby bells" (the regional bells) and were made to compete with each other. They're all private, non-government-owned corporations.

The government was not placed "in control" of Bell.

But keep repeating dumb talking points about things you don't understand, dummy dum-dum.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:07 PM (KRtlO)

50 DDG sucks too.

Badly.

Posted by: andycanuck (i0CiB) at August 05, 2024 06:08 PM (i0CiB)

51 My Uncle once shot a Bear on a Hunting Trip in the Adirondacks.
He drove it back to his home in the N. Bronx in his MG.
Put it in the Passenger Seat.
Slapped the seatbelt on it and stapled a hat to its head and rolled the whole way home on the NYS Thruway with the top down.

Posted by: garrett at August 05, 2024 06:06 PM (BwNH5)

That's a boss move.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at August 05, 2024 06:08 PM (4Med0)

52 46 "the Invisible Hand"
--------

*sobs*
Posted by: Michelle Fields at August 05, 2024 06:06 PM (lX8VI)

lol

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at August 05, 2024 06:09 PM (xcxpd)

53 >>>What's even crazy about the "free market forces" argument here is that Microsoft - a multi-trillion dollar megacorp - has TRIED to challenge Google in THIS specific space, and has found it almost impossible because of their anticompetitive behavior. (Including the linking of Android phones with Google search.)

Just keep repeating "trust the Free Market Forces" like it's a prayer you say at bed-time. That's the Smart Libertarian position on this -- absolute faith in an intangible god-like entity.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:09 PM (KRtlO)

54 DDG is working on mine, using Brave and Win 10.

Posted by: andycanuck (i0CiB) at August 05, 2024 06:09 PM (i0CiB)

55 Altavista!

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 05, 2024 06:09 PM (dg+HA)

56 "...babbling libertarian morons..."

Ace, to be fair, they are also high as f*ck.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 05, 2024 06:09 PM (d9fT1)

57
"we don't want to advertise your variety of services on our search results."

Posted by: TRich

++++++++++++

Did they say why?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at August 05, 2024 06:09 PM (pgtWZ)

58 21 Pretty sure DDG uses google search
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at August 05, 2024 06:02 PM (Ka3bZ)

Bing actually does as well. Source code from GOOG, which MSFT overlays.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 05, 2024 06:10 PM (TFU3K)

59 Unbound by what has been posted

PSA AR-15 "Stealth" Stripped Lower Receiver

$29.99

https://bityl.co/RQAL

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 05, 2024 06:10 PM (aD39U)

60 DuckDuckGoogle?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 05, 2024 06:11 PM (obk/l)

61 The remedies should absolutely be to break up Google into its individual components and forbid those parts from giving each other slick deals after the fact.

Google Search
Google Ad Serving
YouTube
Android and Pixel Phones
Chrome Browser

Etc.

Posted by: deadrody at August 05, 2024 06:11 PM (0DPV0)

62 Dogpile!

Posted by: andycanuck (i0CiB) at August 05, 2024 06:12 PM (i0CiB)

63
Visitor logs to the White House since Barry have seemed to indicate an unusually high traffic of Googlians.

Posted by: Auspex at August 05, 2024 06:12 PM (j4U/Z)

64 Android, Chrome, Youtube and Google search need to be broken up. Then they need to force Google search to separate into 3-4 separate entities where they compete with each other.

Google has been, by far, the worst offender with regard to anti-trust law. Amazon has competition online, people buy stuff from any number of retailers. Apple has to compete against Android -- though clearly their app store is monopolistic.

Posted by: TRich at August 05, 2024 06:12 PM (4XeS7)

65 45 My Uncle once shot a Bear on a Hunting Trip in the Adirondacks.
He drove it back to his home in the N. Bronx in his MG.
Put it in the Passenger Seat.
Slapped the seatbelt on it and stapled a hat to its head and rolled the whole way home on the NYS Thruway with the top down.

Posted by: garrett at August 05, 2024 06:06 PM (BwNH5)

That sounds... smelly and messy.

Posted by: tcn in AK at August 05, 2024 06:12 PM (tlsIq)

66 all of the "competitors" to google are fake. As people are pointing out, they all just use Google search, and slap their own branding on it.

This is good for Google because they get to pretend there are alternatives.

I used DuckDuckGo and FireFox and found that they were repeating all same search results as Google.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:12 PM (KRtlO)

67 Supreme Court has refused to stay Trump's sentencing in the Hush Money case pending appeal. This to take place in September.
So even if this was a totally bogus case, a corrupt judge and a venal prosecutor can put the leading opposition candidate in jail a month before the election.
Supreme Court has left the gag order in place.
When did we become Venezuela?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 05, 2024 06:13 PM (t/2Uw)

68 >>> Android, Chrome, Youtube and Google search need to be broken up. Then they need to force Google search to separate into 3-4 separate entities where they compete with each other.

with different algorithms and different notions of what "dangerous disinformation" is

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:13 PM (KRtlO)

69 >>That sounds... smelly and messy.

Oh, it wasn't a nice MG.

And it had been bled and hanging for a day or so.

But, yeah. Bears smell like garbage fucking.

Posted by: garrett at August 05, 2024 06:14 PM (BwNH5)

70 Ace, to be fair, they are also high as f*ck.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 05, 2024 06:09 PM (d9fT1)

Coincidentally, so is little Kammie. Communo-Libertarians?

Posted by: tcn in AK at August 05, 2024 06:14 PM (tlsIq)

71 and they (surely) are in touch with Democrats and/or DeepState on what exactly to censor. Even emails are allegedly censored.

Not they they need DC to tell them ... they have plenty of leftists to massage their "secret algorithms" to silence and shadow ban all truth tellers, while promoting and pushing the leftist message into your newsfeed ... and all sorts of extra insertions on Facebook. (at least half of my Facebook content seems to be something other than my friends, which I limit to about 50).

And on YouTube, even the MAGA types know they can't say MAGA things, or they get demonetized, shadow-banned, or just censored and/or removed.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 05, 2024 06:14 PM (Cus5s)

72 Naturally rising competition requires no added baking powder.

Posted by: Filesystem /gp Rebuilding 8% at August 05, 2024 06:14 PM (w1qLA)

73 AI uses existing results to train to provide search results.

Which is giving even worse, more wrong answers than the Google "you can purchase" all in the top returns.

And because they so buggered the basic search to steer toward paid results, they will never be able to fix their AI searchbot.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 05, 2024 06:15 PM (5olC1)

74 **Who exactly are these angels in government that you want to perform this action? ***

No one wants an angel. We are at the "find a dog who'll eat a dog" stage with Google.

Posted by: The guy that moves pianos for a living at August 05, 2024 06:15 PM (wge1Q)

75 The National Security Apparatus is balls deep in Google, that's why there really are no competitors.

Plus it's just simpler to let someone else do the heavy lifting.

When even a near pear like Apple just says, f**k it, we'll use Google search and AI, you know something larger is at play.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 05, 2024 06:15 PM (XV/Pl)

76 Yes, break up all the monopolies.

People who argue for the invisible hand, are like communists. They fail to realize that "market forces" taking care of everything only works in a perfect world.

You have to have regulatory intervention in some of these things. It's just a question of how much.

Posted by: EtcEtcEtc at August 05, 2024 06:15 PM (aV7bA)

77 I read an article in French with a headline like, "Why is Google terrible now?"

They're even noticing the gross distortions in search results in France. Not just here. Everywhere Google is hiding relevant searches from you to push its own ideological programming on you.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:15 PM (KRtlO)

78 This is such a big subject.

- Twitter's former Jack Dorsey said to open source and create an app market for algorithms. https://tinyurl.com/jnr2a582

I think Musk retweeted this at some point.

This would work for search, news feeds, book and protduct recommendations, etc. and I think (and have said here for years) that this is the best solution.

- Another point is that while anti-trust is relevant, free speech on public owned or licensed airwaves and networks could be just as power if legislative protections were removed. Even private networks which act as a public space in states with affirmative right to free speech (CA) (ref. Pruneyard. 1st is only prohibition against gov. interference, but some states have the right to free speech in their constitution.)

- I thought Ace would complain about the advertising more. They seems to have wiped out profits from most RW websites. It is crazy how poor the adds are on the Right, but on Left wing sites it is all big names paying big bucks.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 05, 2024 06:15 PM (PDiHS)

79 .....and recall and/or primary every fcking GOP p.o.s. who held Google "hearings" on their monopolistic behavior and time and fcking time again forced the issue to the courts because those GOP fcking scum were beholden to the donations and did not one fcking thing to stop it. Jim Jordan #1

Posted by: Son of Dad at August 05, 2024 06:16 PM (8JB5s)

80 >>>- I thought Ace would complain about the advertising more. They seems to have wiped out profits from most RW websites. It is crazy how poor the adds are on the Right, but on Left wing sites it is all big names paying big bucks.

yup

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:17 PM (KRtlO)

81 What about Yandex?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 05, 2024 06:17 PM (63Dwl)

82 57
"we don't want to advertise your variety of services on our search results."

Posted by: TRich

++++++++++++

Did they say why?

Because they grouped bankruptcy work in with debt consolidation which is full of fraudsters. The officially stated reason was something like "offering a service that preys upon people in an unfortunate position." It's stupid because people getting divorced or who are injured are also in a difficult situation.

There's a way to get past it, other lawyers seem to still be advertising with them, but I just said screw it. I have enough work and I can market through other means. I had been feeling for the year leading up to that (it happened 12-13 months ago), that I was not getting a return out of Google and was suspecting numerous fraudulent clicks.

I hate Google, they're an awful company. They are no longer innovating and they're actually dragging down everyone else in search, streaming video, etc.

Posted by: TRich at August 05, 2024 06:18 PM (4XeS7)

83
I just want to see that lying lizard Sundar Pichai cry. Not so much because he loses a court case but because he doesn't get to suppress pro-American, conservative viewpoints.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at August 05, 2024 06:18 PM (pgtWZ)

84 A monopoly of the Democrats Propaganda Ministry

Posted by: Skip at August 05, 2024 06:18 PM (fwDg9)

85 How much internet traffic travels through Google servers?

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at August 05, 2024 06:18 PM (iODuv)

86 As many people on the right have noted: I have searched for my own articles using the exact title of the post.

Google can't find it. Really, its "algorithms" have determined that my site is disinformation which no one should be permitted to read.

It does want me to see a bunch of offerings from CNN, NPR, and Al Jazeera, naturally.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:19 PM (KRtlO)

87 The question is why now? How would breaking up Google enhance the Left's power?
This has nothing to do with consumers or speech.

Posted by: Jamaica at August 05, 2024 06:19 PM (IG7T0)

88
Shit I used to find in the first couple of results is now invisible. DDG has now gone from 'go' to 'gone'.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05, 2024 06:20 PM (RKVpM)

89 conservatives are for FREE MARKETS

Not monopolies

Posted by: Harun at August 05, 2024 06:20 PM (IuIym)

90 Ace, all of that, and I really, REALLY hate typing a simple search for a product review and getting a zillion ads, including fake review ads before the first non-ad appears, and, of course, that non-ad review's page is filled with ad-links. Not to mention the ads for that product (or like products) appearing for 72 hours after that.

Posted by: mrp at August 05, 2024 06:20 PM (rj6Yv)

91 JUDGE MEHTA SAYS FACEBOOK IS OKAY - "YOU KNOW, I JUST CAN'T THINK A COMPANY NAMED META IS BAD"

Posted by: Harun at August 05, 2024 06:21 PM (IuIym)

92 DuckDuckGo is not working on my PC today. Maybe it's my PC but maybe it's something else. Idk
Posted by: PJU

1. Reinstall AdBlock.
2. They use Gurgle's engine
3. The CEO is a woke marxist.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 05, 2024 06:21 PM (IG4Id)

93 >>> Ace, all of that, and I really, REALLY hate typing a simple search for a product review and getting a zillion ads, including fake review ads before the first non-ad appears, and, of course, that non-ad review's page is filled with ad-links. Not to mention the ads for that product (or like products) appearing for 72 hours after that.

yeah, even ignoring the political bias, their "search" function is a barely-disguised advertising platform. They serve you the ads they're paid to serve you, not the ones you're looking for.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:21 PM (KRtlO)

94 For sure, break up what they can, but a bigger issue is why would anyone use a doctored search engine? The reporting of how Google alters search returns should be a death blow to their core function. An unreliable search engine is like a restaurant that serves bugs with their food - it should close them over night.

Posted by: Advo at August 05, 2024 06:22 PM (jO4mz)

95 JUDGE GUGAL SAYS MEHTA IS WRONG.

Posted by: Harun at August 05, 2024 06:22 PM (IuIym)

96 The important question is whether the Invisible Hand can reach thru drywall and find studs?

Posted by: DaveA at August 05, 2024 06:23 PM (FhXTo)

97 When did we become Venezuela?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)

Somewhere around 2004 - 2009

Posted by: BifBewalski at August 05, 2024 06:24 PM (MsrgL)

98 "why would anyone use a doctored search engine?"

It's free. The real slap in the face comes when they start charging per search.

Posted by: Filesystem /gp Rebuilding 8% at August 05, 2024 06:24 PM (w1qLA)

99 Most monopolies are actually cartels that use the government to enforce their exclusivity. Generally that is the outcome of anti-monopoly legislation.
At least it is in for the Unions, the football leagues, the cable and OTA broadcasters, universities, hospitals, doctors, lawyers, hairdressers, pharmacists, car lots, railroads . . .

Posted by: Kindltot at August 05, 2024 06:24 PM (D7oie)

100 **Who exactly are these angels in government that you want to perform this action? ***

No one wants an angel. We are at the "find a dog who'll eat a dog" stage with Google.
Posted by: The guy that moves pianos for a living at August 05, 2024 06:15 PM

I don't want an angel, I want the pettiest, most banal, lowest rank congress critter who's so blinded by someone building something bigger than he could ever even imagine, would cut it into bite sized pieces so small and easily bought up that ever other corporation would be mortally afraid of being called a monopoly that even rich Uncle Penny-bags would distance himself from the word.

Posted by: Flyguy at August 05, 2024 06:24 PM (HA1lM)

101
Because they grouped bankruptcy work in with debt consolidation which is full of fraudsters. The officially stated reason was something like "offering a service that preys upon people in an unfortunate position."

Posted by: TRich

+++++++++++++

Nanny knows best.

And it's true, they're destroying the internet now. Do a search and you get one of their own AI-generated articles or youtube videos.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at August 05, 2024 06:24 PM (pgtWZ)

102 >>Somewhere around 2004 - 2009

It's like we underwent some form of...Fundamental Transformation, or some shit.

Posted by: garrett at August 05, 2024 06:25 PM (BwNH5)

103 Visitor logs to the White House since Barry have seemed to indicate an unusually high traffic of Googlians.
Posted by: Auspex at August 05, 2024 06:12 PM (j4U/Z)

I have no doubt about that. None whatsoever.

Posted by: mrp at August 05, 2024 06:25 PM (rj6Yv)

104 remember after January 6th the government and all the other monopolists attempted to destroy Rumble and Gab for not implementing the exact same censorship protocols that they were running?

They won't allow a competitor to innovate and make different decisions than they do -- Rumble didn't want to ban some videos, so the monopolists all agreed to deplatform them.

The only way an upstart can compete with a monopolist is to OFFER A DIFFERENT SERVICE but the monopolists all stepped in and said, NO, YOU CAN ONLY OFFER THE SAME SERVICE WITH THE SAME RULES THAT WE OFFER.

How can a "competitor naturally rise up" when the monopolists are stopping them from offering an alternative?

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:25 PM (KRtlO)

105 "A monopoly of the Democrats Propaganda Ministry"

idk what the tech power of Google is, but have heard stories of their founding being from DARPA, and it sure seems DeepState still is "One With Google".

Is BigCorp in charge, or is it DeepState, or maybe the oligarchs that own the majority of stocks/bonds (and that are too big to fail/jail, so they get bailed out when their BigBets fail)?

I like the Hydra analogy, heads of huge mafias, competing but also working together ... against All Free People, and their silly notions of Liberty. Like the more local mafias, fighting over territory.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 05, 2024 06:25 PM (Cus5s)

106 AI has not helped either.

I notice with translations, google translate is slightly improved for conversational speech, but it is total crap and unusable for technical or business translations. Much worse than it was a couple years ago before AI. I mean, it inverts stuff, skips stuff, and makes stuff up.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 05, 2024 06:25 PM (PDiHS)

107 This would work for search, news feeds, book and protduct recommendations, etc. and I think (and have said here for years) that this is the best solution.
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Well, it's not like it's sophisticated code to run a search.
Just that creating it and having the processing was expensive.

But, we're at the end of web 2.0.
3.0 will make Google searches obsolete.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 05, 2024 06:26 PM (5olC1)

108 I am in the final hours on deciding my VP and it is a decision that is not easily Coming. After measuring the Pecker Size of those eligible I have decided on which one best fits in my mouth. Decision coming soon !!!!!!!

Posted by: Kumala Harris at August 05, 2024 06:26 PM (Mig/N)

109 >>.It's like we underwent some form of...Fundamental Transformation, or some shit.

yup. there's an article I'm going to post on Friday about the "Whole of Society" (i.e., fascist government-corporate union) method of forcing everyone on to the same page. It's in Tablet.

It was started by Obama, of course.

The idea is that "large problems" can only be solved with a "whole of society" solution that requires the government and monopoly corporations to force every single person into supporting the "right solutions."

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:27 PM (KRtlO)

110 yeah, even ignoring the political bias, their "search" function is a barely-disguised advertising platform. They serve you the ads they're paid to serve you, not the ones you're looking for.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:21 PM (KRtlO)

I use Quest and when I get a feeling about it, I use Yandex.

Quest doesn't give me anything about Harris, though maybe if I was typing in questions about Le Pen it might send me to Macron.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 05, 2024 06:28 PM (D7oie)

111 This will be appealed, drag on for years and go nowhere in time to save us.
I am so tired of never reaching a point where it is a clear cut win. Like hte Arizona citizen only voting. Yay, we won! Couple of weeks later: Oh No, it's been reversed.
Trump's NY case is totally bogus. Everyone lied. Judge is corrupt. Guilty. Go to Jail.
E. Jean Carroll case. She's a nut job. Made up the whole story. Trump called her a liar and made her cry. Pay her 9 million dollars.
Kamala Harris the biggest dummy to ever be VP. Has not a single policy statement or acomplishment. Wow. She's fabulous. Leading in the polls.
I can't take much more of thisd.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 05, 2024 06:28 PM (t/2Uw)

112 I will be ecstatic if the stock market crash directly causes Trump to win the election. The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Posted by: Archer at August 05, 2024 06:29 PM (IDphi)

113 >>>It's free. The real slap in the face comes when they start charging per search.

They are taking money. They're not giving you what you searched for, they're giving you what a corporation (or government or NGO!) paid them to give you.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:29 PM (KRtlO)

114 When I want to find AOSHQ, I just Google "Madison Cornbread."

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at August 05, 2024 06:29 PM (/l9qm)

115 US Personnel Wounded in Attack Against Base in Iraq.

FBI raid Trump's Florida Home for possible documents regarding this attack.......

Posted by: CNN Breaking News at August 05, 2024 06:29 PM (Mig/N)

116 Break. Them. Up.

Having multiple copies of the GooglePuter (now with AI) evolving against each other might be risky. But what the hell we already do this with stock trading botss.

Posted by: DaveA at August 05, 2024 06:29 PM (FhXTo)

117 The idea is that "large problems" can only be solved with a "whole of society" solution that requires the government and monopoly corporations to force every single person into supporting the "right solutions."

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:27 PM (KRtlO)
--------------

Why is it the solution to a large problem always involves killing a dehumanized portion of a populace? It's a mystery!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 05, 2024 06:29 PM (tT6L1)

118 >>>- I thought Ace would complain about the advertising more. They seems to have wiped out profits from most RW websites. It is crazy how poor the adds are on the Right, but on Left wing sites it is all big names paying big bucks.

yup

Posted by: ace
--'
Have you considered starting a Telegram community?
You can post links to your articles, folks can comment in a chat, and you can get ads not restricted by Google.

Oh, and folks can send you money via it.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 05, 2024 06:30 PM (5olC1)

119 @ 67 - slowly, then all at once?

imo; circa 1990 the serious tightening began

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at August 05, 2024 06:30 PM (UWgy2)

120
I'm dead certain they also suppress images. I know -- I KNOW -- I have seen a photo of Charlton Heston walking a black girl to school when Ike desegregated schools. He's in a suit and tie, smiling, so polite and caring and not giving af about the Democrats having fits, holding this well-dressed Black girl's hand. I know I've seen that pic. Can't find it through a Google search for spit.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at August 05, 2024 06:30 PM (pgtWZ)

121 Build your own internet and purchase your own government!

Posted by: google.com at August 05, 2024 06:31 PM (U7Cio)

122 >>> 67 Supreme Court has refused to stay Trump's sentencing in the Hush Money case pending appeal. This to take place in September.
So even if this was a totally bogus case, a corrupt judge and a venal prosecutor can put the leading opposition candidate in jail a month before the election.
Supreme Court has left the gag order in place.
When did we become Venezuela?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 05, 2024 06:13 PM (t/2Uw)

We're not eating zoo animals.

Yet.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 05, 2024 06:31 PM (FnneF)

123 >>>Have you considered starting a Telegram community?
You can post links to your articles, folks can comment in a chat, and you can get ads not restricted by Google.
Oh, and folks can send you money via it.

These are all good ideas and I should do them. But I'm a deeply stupid person.

I remind myself of Gilbert Gottfried. I ran into him in like 2006 and told him I wanted to see his shows, but couldn't find them online because he didn't have a website.

he scratched his head and said "Yeah I should really look into finally making one of those..."

That's me, right there. I should look into these super-obvious things. Someday.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:32 PM (KRtlO)

124 How can a "competitor naturally rise up" when the monopolists are stopping them from offering an alternative?
Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:25 PM (KRtlO)

for some reason, I don't think the answer is "give the federal government more power" over the market.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 05, 2024 06:32 PM (D7oie)

125 Goggle. Goebbels.

Think about.

Did I just blow your mind?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 05, 2024 06:32 PM (uTKQI)

126 but the groundwork was laid a century ago ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at August 05, 2024 06:32 PM (UWgy2)

127 Google sucks as a search engine anyways. Plus they lie and say gee, look how fantastic we are that we found 1,309,752 search results in 0.91278 seconds. And if you scroll to the third page of results, you'll see the exact same results repeated for pages upon pages. It's more like 40 unique results, specially curated by AI no doubt. Damn liars.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 05, 2024 06:32 PM (KnSjc)

128 Remember for a few days in summer 2020 android phones refused to suggest this site exists even when you'd been to it from your history. Wouldn't auto complete. I don't mean search.

Posted by: ... at August 05, 2024 06:32 PM (lX8VI)

129 I notice with translations, google translate is slightly improved for conversational speech, but it is total crap and unusable for technical or business translations. Much worse than it was a couple years ago before AI. I mean, it inverts stuff, skips stuff, and makes stuff up.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 05, 2024 06:25 PM (PDiHS)

YOOO BUY NOW !

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 05, 2024 06:32 PM (NtVYv)

130 Remember whe your dad used to change the channel of whatever you were watching the minute a commercial came on? That was super annoying because then he never went back to your show.

Then after a while all the commercial breaks for every network we're suddenly at the same time? So you went from commercial to commercial and then you got to see snippets for 6 different commercials before not going back to whatever you were watching.

Google is worse. It's all commercials all the time. There are no shows to go back to because the SHOWS are commercials!

Posted by: Just Lily at August 05, 2024 06:32 PM (RLLZj)

131
I suspect that Kamala Harris might tower over Josh Shapiro until he 'heightens' quite a bit. Saw a pic of the Josh with Fettermonster and his wife. Josh maybe comes in second place in height. They can't even get Fetermonsters head in the frame.

Yet Google claims 'Josh' is six foot tall.

So tired of the gaslighting. Shapiro is dirty. They won't pick anyone who isn't.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05, 2024 06:33 PM (RKVpM)

132 Nancy Pelosi is a RACISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST !!!

Nancy Pelosi pitched Joe Biden being potentially honored with a place on Mount Rushmore after “his” decision to withdraw from the 2024 presidential race after putting on the worst debate performance in American history.

Why not the First 0.5 Black President.........

AKA.... "Chocolate Jesus" Obama

Posted by: Mike Hunt at August 05, 2024 06:34 PM (qpLSv)

133 The idea is that "large problems" can only be solved with a "whole of society" solution that requires the government and monopoly corporations to force every single person into supporting the "right solutions."
---------
Finally!

But seriously, I think they want some AI super-computer/s to run Earth, with them as intermediaries of course, and that's why they've suddenly embraced nuke power [along with the old long-term goal of 500-million population] to power the AI supercomputer/s.

Posted by: andycanuck (i0CiB) at August 05, 2024 06:34 PM (i0CiB)

134 The idea is that "large problems" can only be solved with a "whole of society" solution that requires the government and monopoly corporations to force every single person into supporting the "right solutions."

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:27 PM (KRtlO)

It Takes All of Us

Hey, it's right there in the end zone of every NFL venue every weekend.

Posted by: Auspex at August 05, 2024 06:35 PM (j4U/Z)

135 Cat brought in another snake. Time to chase it down. I thought snake season was over, and this was the time of year to glare at squirrels.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 05, 2024 06:35 PM (D7oie)

136 120 Here's one I found on Bing, maybe yours:
https://tinyurl.com/mrysymvy

Posted by: Filesystem /gp Rebuilding 8% at August 05, 2024 06:35 PM (w1qLA)

137 I have not liked Shapiro for decades

Posted by: Skip at August 05, 2024 06:35 PM (fwDg9)

138 "conservatives are for FREE MARKETS -- Not monopolies"

The definition of Free Markets needs to be adjusted beyond the Libertarian view. A "free market" should adjust costs of things required (and good?) in our USA Land of Liberty.

There is a cost to clean air/water (not talking about CO2), a cost to not using child labor, a cost to take care of workers injured on the job. If we made foreign countries pay a "tariff" for their pollution and child labor and other "cost cutting obscenities", then that would be a step toward "Free Markets".

But also, what about not trading with most commie countries, that rule by dictatorship? We could do that, but the oligarchs prefer to use child labor and pollute, and pass the savings on to ... themselves (not the consumer, though the consumer gets slightly cheaper products, paid for in other ways, like low employment, pollution, and commie powers on the rise).

Posted by: illiniwek at August 05, 2024 06:35 PM (Cus5s)

139 Posted by: Mike Hunt at August 05, 2024 06:34 PM (qpLSv)

What it be, a giant port a potty ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 05, 2024 06:35 PM (NtVYv)

140 We don't block search.
We provide all 26 letters.
How we arrange them is none of your business.

Posted by: Gurgle: Totally Not Evil at August 05, 2024 06:36 PM (5FPX4)

141 The idea is that "large problems" can only be solved with a "whole of society" solution that requires the government and monopoly corporations to force every single person into supporting the "right solutions."
____

If you oppose this, you are the fascist. Congrats!

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 05, 2024 06:36 PM (KnSjc)

142 Why not the First 0.5 Black President.......

0.5? Ok, the First 0.5 Arab-Black President.

Posted by: t-bird at August 05, 2024 06:36 PM (U7Cio)

143 That's me, right there. I should look into these super-obvious things. Someday.
Posted by: ace

--------------------
I honestly don't know how people do it.
When I am at corporate job I am a whirlwind or productivity and innovation and action.
For myself, not so much. Would rather watch Dobie Gilles.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 05, 2024 06:36 PM (PDiHS)

144 I think Gilbert finally hired someone to set up and run a Twitter for him.
He gave his @ like he'd never heard it before,lol.

But seriously, I'm convinced Telegram is like Facebook in 2005.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 05, 2024 06:37 PM (5olC1)

145 One guy around here runs a very specialized machining buisness I had to use. Looked up how to get there on google maps and it said closed. I went over there anyways as he's so old he won't even answer the phone sometimes. Still ma bell landline. He's open so I go in and talk get my shit going and tell him about his business saying closed.
He says. Yeah. The want $55 a month to say open blah to blah and put my number there. Do a page. Fuck em. Anybody just finding me can go to hell. I got more work than I can handle anyway.

Posted by: Reforger at August 05, 2024 06:37 PM (xcIvR)

146
And does anyone know the Secret Code to getting Google to suppress results that don't flatter you?

Things that have disappeared because they embarrassed the wrong people:

- Oprah's interview of Harry & Megan (Oprah pwned)
- The Life of Julia (woops, our socialism was showing)
- Probably any early video of Obama where he didn't sound Black

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at August 05, 2024 06:37 PM (pgtWZ)

147 I honestly don't know how people do it.
When I am at corporate job I am a whirlwind or productivity and innovation and action.
For myself, not so much. Would rather watch Dobie Gilles.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 05, 2024 06:36 PM (PDiHS)

Maynard G. Krebs - American Hero

Posted by: mrp at August 05, 2024 06:38 PM (rj6Yv)

148 141 The idea is that "large problems" can only be solved with a "whole of society" solution that requires the government and monopoly corporations to force every single person into supporting the "right solutions."
____

If you oppose this, you are the fascist. Congrats!
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 05, 2024 06:36 PM (KnSjc)

Is this about me?

Posted by: Janet yelling three trillion dollar solution at August 05, 2024 06:38 PM (uBBbP)

149 >>> 145 One guy around here runs a very specialized machining buisness I had to use. Looked up how to get there on google maps and it said closed. I went over there anyways as he's so old he won't even answer the phone sometimes. Still ma bell landline. He's open so I go in and talk get my shit going and tell him about his business saying closed.
He says. Yeah. The want $55 a month to say open blah to blah and put my number there. Do a page. Fuck em. Anybody just finding me can go to hell. I got more work than I can handle anyway.
Posted by: Reforger at August 05, 2024 06:37 PM (xcIvR)

It's like people were able to sell things to one another before the intertubes even existed.

Weird!!!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 05, 2024 06:39 PM (FnneF)

150 Can't a citizen use 3rd party algorithms to counter Google?
Google does so much, it should be renamed, Zardoz.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at August 05, 2024 06:39 PM (J8LnB)

151 All that talk in the previous post about cornbread has got me hungry.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 05, 2024 06:39 PM (2xB3Z)

152 >>>for some reason, I don't think the answer is "give the federal government more power" over the market.

that's not how it works, the government does not step in to manage the companies. You all seem to thik this. It's not true.

The government sues and gets them to agree to, for example (in the most drastic case) split themselves up into smaller businesses, wich then compete against each other, or to agree to stop doing things like using monopoly power to squelch some companies while favoring others.

You all seem to have this farcical idea that the government comes in and starts managing the company. It doesn't. The government is involved in the consent decree (sell this off, get out of this particular aspect of the business, etc.) and then is out.

You continue to fear the government's power to control you while gladly giving all the power to the government's co-partners, the monopolist corporations.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:40 PM (KRtlO)

153 This is a reminder to me that I haven't hit the tip jar in a while, so here goes.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 05, 2024 06:40 PM (woPEM)

154 There's still a corporation that values productivity and innovation?

Posted by: Filesystem /gp Rebuilding 8% at August 05, 2024 06:40 PM (w1qLA)

155
I have not liked Shapiro for decades

Posted by: Skip at August 05, 2024 06:35 PM

After 'Caturd' made some comment about Shapiro's height I went looking. Sure enough, it was all bullshit. He's a short dude. Really short.

I still wanna know how many Palestinians Josh killed when he was in the IDF.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05, 2024 06:41 PM (RKVpM)

156 Maynard G. Krebs - American Hero
Posted by: mrp

"WORK!!???"
-- Zombie Bob Denver

Posted by: Tonypete at August 05, 2024 06:43 PM (WXNFJ)

157 thank you, Meade!

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:43 PM (KRtlO)

158
The idea is that "large problems" can only be solved with a "whole of society" solution that requires the government and monopoly corporations to force every single person into supporting the "right solutions."

++++++++++++

And those guardrails are designed and built by Top. Men.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at August 05, 2024 06:43 PM (pgtWZ)

159 You all seem to have this farcical idea that the government comes in and starts managing the company. It doesn't. The government is involved in the consent decree (sell this off, get out of this particular aspect of the business, etc.) and then is out.

You continue to fear the government's power to control you while gladly giving all the power to the government's co-partners, the monopolist corporations.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:40 PM (KRtlO)

Enter the "Disinformation Czar(ina)" Barry did his damndest to politicize the entire US government as a weapon against subject peoples. Google is a willing partner in that arsenal against democracy.

Posted by: mrp at August 05, 2024 06:44 PM (rj6Yv)

160 "They are taking money. They're not giving you what you searched for, they're giving you what a corporation (or government or NGO!) paid them to give you."

and that is stealing from me. It is trying to control me, it is wasting my time, and if I depend on them ... they kinda own me, to the extent I depend on them.

Control of people's minds means those people vote "correctly", and spend their shopping dollars on the "right" corporations. Those Big advertisers spend money because they get that money back from the consumers under Google's Influence Bubble ... so Google is getting money from their "customers" indirectly.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 05, 2024 06:44 PM (Cus5s)

161 Ace still needs some other payment system besides the common enemy of mankind Paypal. I use it, because I have to but, I don't enjoy it.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 05, 2024 06:44 PM (aD39U)

162 149 >>> 145 One guy around here runs a very specialized machining buisness I had to use. Looked up how to get there on google maps and it said closed. I went over there anyways as he's so old he won't even answer the phone sometimes. Still ma bell landline. He's open so I go in and talk get my shit going and tell him about his business saying closed.
He says. Yeah. The want $55 a month to say open blah to blah and put my number there. Do a page. Fuck em. Anybody just finding me can go to hell. I got more work than I can handle anyway.
Posted by: Reforger at August 05

What? I do not pay for my google page, I do have to update my hours and put specials, etc on it myself (I use digital stack for this). But I don’t pay for it.

Posted by: Piper at August 05, 2024 06:44 PM (p4NUW)

163 Could you do a Patreon account? I don't know how those are set up but it does allow you to directly support a content creator

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 05, 2024 06:46 PM (dDSBl)

164 >>You all seem to have this farcical idea that the government comes in and starts managing the company. It doesn't. The government is involved in the consent decree (sell this off, get out of this particular aspect of the business, etc.) and then is out.

Having worked for The Phone Company, aka AT&T, for a brief period post divestiture I can assure you I don't think the government comes in and manages the business. Although in AT&Ts case it actually might have been an improvement.

For all intents AT&T was the government before the breakup. They got a guaranteed income and basically zero competition. One thing that probably isn't as apparent from the outside as it is from the inside is arrangement produces a truly retarded management structure.

Once they had to start competing for business they were at a severe disadvantage because they had no idea how to do it. I bet the same is going at Google. Looks like a well oiled machine from the outside but probably a lot of smooth brains running the place cause it's easy when you can't fail.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 05, 2024 06:46 PM (LkLld)

165 Could you do a Patreon account? I don't know how those are set up but it does allow you to directly support a content creator
Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 05, 2024 06:46 PM (dDSBl)

Yeah. A Patreons could get the html toolbar back.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 05, 2024 06:47 PM (aD39U)

166 ace, may I ask how effective the advertising service you use is for you?

Posted by: Ben Had at August 05, 2024 06:47 PM (5MvGY)

167 162 149 >>> 145 One guy around here runs a very specialized machining buisness I had to use. Looked up how to get there on google maps and it said closed. I went over there anyways as he's so old he won't even answer the phone sometimes. Still ma bell landline. He's open so I go in and talk get my shit going and tell him about his business saying closed.
He says. Yeah. The want $55 a month to say open blah to blah and put my number there. Do a page. Fuck em. Anybody just finding me can go to hell. I got more work than I can handle anyway.
Posted by: Reforger at August 05

If I want to do a google ad sense, you have to pay for that - you set a budget and it runs as often as your budget allows. You can get decent traffic for $600, same with Insta and FB.

Posted by: Piper at August 05, 2024 06:47 PM (p4NUW)

168 This is a reminder to me that I haven't hit the tip jar in a while, so here goes.

Yeah, I need to do that too.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 05, 2024 06:48 PM (mH6SG)

169 Is the world on fire yet?

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 05, 2024 06:48 PM (QZBde)

170 You continue to fear the government's power to control you while gladly giving all the power to the government's co-partners, the monopolist corporations.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:40 PM (KRtlO)

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Hey! We don't spend big bucks financing campaigns to have some government toady tell us how to run our businesses.

You plebs really need to invest in your own politicians if you want to be left alone.

Posted by: Corporate "Partners" at August 05, 2024 06:48 PM (RLLZj)

171 Yeah, I need to do that too.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 05, 2024 06:48 PM (mH6SG)

It really is the best entertainment on the webz.

Some of you funny Morons should get a cut.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 05, 2024 06:49 PM (aD39U)

172 >>>161 Ace still needs some other payment system besides the common enemy of mankind Paypal. I use it, because I have to but, I don't enjoy it.

yeah I really need to do that, I keep saying "This weekend I'll set up an alternative," and then, like giving TJM his own sign-in, I forget by Friday night.

Sorry TJM!

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:49 PM (KRtlO)

173
Well, not just Google. Amazon too.

I'm sure folks here are tired of hearing it, so I haven't talked about it for a while, but-

Amazon shadow-banned my novel, "Wearing the Cat" for a few years. They disappeared any good reviews and only allowed 1 lame-ass negative review. I even saw good reviews disappear after they were posted.

That definitely cost me some bucks.

I don't get the banning anyway WtC is a funny comic novel not woke but certainly not offensive.

Anyway, yeah, through Amazon in the anti-trust barrel.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 05, 2024 06:49 PM (eDfFs)

174 Notsothoreau, that's a great idea. I do Patreon for several content creators, mainly youtubers, not sure if that's the only platform that uses it, but ace could set up a YouTube account.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at August 05, 2024 06:49 PM (Vvh2V)

175 155 I still wanna know how many Palestinians Josh killed when he was in the IDF.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05

He volunteered. He was peeling potatoes in a kibbutz. Maybe added salt.

Posted by: Piper at August 05, 2024 06:50 PM (p4NUW)

176 I’m surprised they don’t have the Google Screen flash a subliminal message ‘Vote Harris ‘ or ‘Republicans Bad’ .

On that note do any of you brainiacs know how fast it has to be where the sub conscious mind picks it up though the conscious mind doesn’t see it. 1000 words a minute ?

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2024 06:50 PM (B1dzx)

177
"That is absolutely incorrect," Kamala immediately responds, to which Katie bursts out laughing. "I am 5'4" and a quarter," the VP continues.

So Josh Shapiro will 'tower' over her by an inch and three quarters.

De-evolution.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05, 2024 06:50 PM (RKVpM)

178 Oh no, a Republican Senator wrote a nasty letter with the generic "your time as come" language. What's next!?!?!

Oh, I know, how about the obligatory visit to Fox News to proclaim how disgusted you are?

Posted by: Orson at August 05, 2024 06:50 PM (dIske)

179 I spent some interesting hours yesterday, learning how to set up a smart phone to be a dumb phone. You also set it up to restrict access to whatever app you want. (Social media apps are the big one). You wind up with a home screen with no icons, just text for the items you need. You can bypass if you need the smart part but it's designed to prevent mindless scrolling. The video I watched was for iphone but I suspect someone does it for Android too.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 05, 2024 06:51 PM (dDSBl)

180 Oh no, a Republican Senator wrote a nasty letter with the generic "your time as come" language. What's next!?!?!

Oh, I know, how about the obligatory visit to Fox News to proclaim how disgusted you are?
Posted by: Orson at August 05, 2024 06:50 PM (dIske)

Gotta roll up those sleeves first.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 05, 2024 06:51 PM (aD39U)

181 I can tell when I’m shadowed banned at aos.

When no one responds that my posts are full of crap I assume it’s because no one sees them. 😜

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2024 06:53 PM (B1dzx)

182 Did I post this already? 'cause I thought it amusing

https://ytube.io/3zDJ

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 05, 2024 06:53 PM (aD39U)

183 The good thing about Patreon is that it's recurring. Don't have to remember to keep hitting the tip jar.

There's something called Co-fi (?), too, but I have no idea how it works.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at August 05, 2024 06:53 PM (Vvh2V)

184 Hordians,

Consider hitting Ace's tip jar today. Any bit helps.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 05, 2024 06:53 PM (dTTBf)

185 I support a couple that do camping videos. They've been trying to grow their You Tube channel and have put out some nice videos recently. It can be a monthly donation, so there's regular money coming in

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 05, 2024 06:54 PM (dDSBl)

186
Competition is a sin, you know.

And keep listening to Dummy Dum-Dum.

Posted by: John D. Rockefeller at August 05, 2024 06:54 PM (w6EFb)

187 169 Is the world on fire yet?
Posted by: nurse ratched
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https://youtu.be/pLvsmho1lGA?si=6R4zbFbLTQG3UQl3

Don't think so, but a good excuse to post this

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at August 05, 2024 06:54 PM (6bVxM)

188
He volunteered. He was peeling potatoes in a kibbutz. Maybe added salt.

Posted by: Piper at August 05, 2024 06:50 PM

No truth to his singlehandedly killing thousands of Gaza residents when he was in the IDF? Wish I could find that on Google. Maybe tomorrow.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05, 2024 06:55 PM (RKVpM)

189 Also, Gurgle was sponsored by DARPA. It's a government beast and our federal tax dollars fund them.

It's not a private company. Sorry lolbertarians. It's our. We can do with it as we please and the Constitution has fuck all to do with it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 05, 2024 06:55 PM (IG4Id)

190 A ton of professional artists have Patreon sites to supplement their starving artist income.

Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2024 06:56 PM (B1dzx)

191 Ace still needs some other payment system besides the common enemy of mankind Paypal. I use it, because I have to but, I don't enjoy it.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 05, 2024 06:44 PM (aD39U)

I've heard of people using "BuyMeACoffee" for getting payments without issues from the more mainstream brands. Never used it myself.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 05, 2024 06:56 PM (n7h9X)

192 You continue to fear the government's power to control you while gladly giving all the power to the government's co-partners, the monopolist corporations.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 06:40 PM (KRtlO)

well that is a libertarian like argument, that the co-option or capture of an industry by the government is also a form of tyranny, whether it is by regulation or grant.

Agreements also set the terms for entry into the market, which is set high to protect the businesses already in service. This is considered a good thing to give the regulated businesses, a reason to agree to regulation, but it also becomes a form of regulatory capture both ways, and the industry becomes entwined with the government.

my concerns are that the purpose of a cartel or a monopoly is to assure the greatest profit out of the smallest effort, and this is a form of economic hardship to the consumer. However, after anti trust actions that restrict entry into an industry, we wind up with a system with the greatest profit out of the smallest effort and no way to challenge it with alternatives, by law.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 05, 2024 06:57 PM (D7oie)

193 I've heard of people using "BuyMeACoffee" for getting payments without issues from the more mainstream brands. Never used it myself.
Posted by: Oldcat

Think he'd prefer BuyMeASteakDinner dontchaknow.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at August 05, 2024 06:58 PM (csaPT)

194 I’m surprised they don’t have the Google Screen flash a subliminal message ‘Vote Harris ‘ or ‘Republicans Bad’ .

On that note do any of you brainiacs know how fast it has to be where the sub conscious mind picks it up though the conscious mind doesn’t see it. 1000 words a minute ?
Posted by: polynikes at August 05, 2024 06:50 PM (B1dzx)

Given the usual run of psychology experiments, I'd guess it was just made up at the beginning.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 05, 2024 06:58 PM (n7h9X)

195 I thought we were to get The Ho's VP pick this week?
If She wants for the convention she might not get to make one

Posted by: Skip at August 05, 2024 06:58 PM (fwDg9)

196 I know people are using Venmo but I don't think you can do anonymous accounts.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 05, 2024 06:59 PM (dDSBl)

197
Is the world on fire yet?
Posted by: nurse ratched

The oceans are boiling and Debby is swirling.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 05, 2024 07:00 PM (63Dwl)

198 >>>When no one responds that my posts are full of crap I assume it's because no one sees them.

you're not shadowbanned, and your posts are as overflowing as my sh3lv3s

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2024 07:01 PM (KRtlO)

199
Greenberg, Goldberg, and Shapiro. Not a law firm. Shapiro appears to have helped one of those names escape a murder rap.

Kamala needs a VP one step away from an unfriendly grand jury. This is how the deep state works.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 05, 2024 07:01 PM (RKVpM)

200 nood

Posted by: andycanuck (i0CiB) at August 05, 2024 07:01 PM (i0CiB)

201 If a corporation takes federal funding they should be kept in a box, starved, and beaten occasionally.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 05, 2024 07:03 PM (IG4Id)

202 But seriously, I think they want some AI super-computer/s to run Earth, with them as intermediaries of course, and that's why they've suddenly embraced nuke power [along with the old long-term goal of 500-million population] to power the AI supercomputer/s.
Posted by: andycanuck (i0CiB) at August 05, 2024 06:34 PM (i0CiB)

They've been reading too many 1950-60 Sci-Fi stories. What we call AI is nothing like that.

The 500 million limit was a trope back then too.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 05, 2024 07:03 PM (n7h9X)

203 People who repeat the Zombie Talking Point that "monopolies are transitory because competitors always rise up" stupidly ignore the fact that Google is paying other companies to make its offering the default option.

I used to sincerely believe the quoted part, but realized eventually that this only happens in a theoretical free market and not in the real world. Regulatory capture, economic capture, and other artificial barriers to entry make this statement nothing more than a libertarian fever dream. Our economy, large swathes of it at least, is soft-fascist corporatist oligarchy. I didn't want to believe it, but reality eventually won.

Posted by: a strictly academic exercise at August 05, 2024 07:05 PM (q1Zxb)

204 196 I know people are using Venmo but I don't think you can do anonymous accounts.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 05, 2024 06:59 PM (dDSBl)
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Venmo is owned by PayPal.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 05, 2024 07:10 PM (2xB3Z)

205 This post got stomped. *sigh*

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 05, 2024 07:11 PM (2xB3Z)

206 "DO NO EVIL"

What a frigging joke. Google is evil, period. They are biased but claim otherwise. They are propagandists. Shed them like a bad suit. They poison the blood of a nation and blatently so.

Posted by: XRRdemocrat at August 05, 2024 07:44 PM (eWfDT)

207 Go find an ad on YouTube soliciting political donations for a Republican candidate. I dare you.

Never mind. You won't find any.

Posted by: B Dubya at August 05, 2024 07:53 PM (AjEcy)

208 u
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