Biden's DOJ Is Using an 1870 Law to Enhance the Sentences for Abortion Protesters (While Doing Nothing About Pro-Abortion Terrorist Groups, Of Course)

They've been using a little-known law from 1870 to shellac abortion protesters with hugely long prison sentences.

The Biden administration is using a novel application of an 1870 statute to enhance the sentences of peaceful abortion protesters, data provided exclusively to the Daily Caller confirms.
In the 30-year history of the Freedom of Access to Clinics (FACE) Act, the Biden Department of Justice (DOJ) in just over three years has levied over a quarter of the law's total charges, most of which have carried this novel sentence enhancement, the data also shows.
The data, along with the unprecedented enhancement, provide fuel to criticisms from conservatives that the Biden admin is unfairly targeting pro-lifers and using the DOJ for political ends.
In some instances under previous administrations, threatening to harm or kill a clinic employee carried less severe punishments. Under Biden's, however, elderly women peacefully protesting an abortion clinic have faced much harsher consequences. After the Supreme Court's Roe vs Wade decision leak in 2022, hundreds of attacks were waged against pro-life pregnancy centers and churches, but the DOJ has only prosecuted five individuals for such offenses.
From 1994 to 2024, there were 205 cases against pro-life activists and only six against abortion activists, data provided to the Caller by Republican Texas Rep. Chip Roy's office reveals. Prosecutions of pro-life individuals constitute roughly 97% of all FACE Act cases.
At least 55 of those cases were prosecuted during the Biden administration, only five of which involved attacks on pregnancy resource centers. In less than four years, Biden's DOJ has accounted for over a quarter of all FACE prosecutions and approximately 24% of cases targeting pro-life activists, the data demonstrates.
The FACE Act became law in 1994 and prohibits "violent, threatening, damaging, and obstructive conduct intended to injure, intimidate, or interfere with the right to seek, obtain or provide reproductive health services," according to the DOJ. The law also applies to pro-life pregnancy resource centers and places of worship.
Some claim, however, the Biden Administration is weaponizing FACE against individuals who protest abortion. In the past two years, FBI agents raided the homes of pro-life activists Mark Houck and Paul Vaughn (the former being acquitted and the latter escaping prison time) during Biden's presidency.
FACE "has been politicized and abused to target peaceful pro-life advocates," while activists "who violently attacked" pro-life clinics walk free, Erin Hawley, Vice President of the Center for Life and Regulatory Practice at the Alliance for Defending Freedom (ADF), told the Daily Caller.

She explained how the DOJ prosecuted at least 26 pro-life individuals in 2022 but zero activists "who obstructed or vandalized pregnancy care centers."
In 2023, Roy and Republican Utah Sen. Mike Lee introduced legislation to repeal the FACE Act.
"Biden's Department of Justice has brazenly weaponized the FACE Act against normal, everyday Americans across the political spectrum, simply because they are pro-life," Roy stated in a press release.
The Caller reached out to the DOJ, but they did not answer questions about FACE directly, instead pointing to its website. The DOJ told the Caller to contact the FBI for more information regarding investigations into attacks on pregnancy centers and churches.
The FBI did not respond in time for publication, although in 2022, the agency told The Daily Signal it was investigating attacks on pregnancy resource centers and churches. The FBI would not share if it had arrested anyone in relation to the attacks.
From May 2022 to March 2024, there were at least 90 attacks on pro-life organizations and pregnancy resource centers, according to CatholicVote, which tracks attacks by abortion activists. The data is gathered from news reports, direct tips and public information the attackers posted online.
Many of the incidents appear to be associated with the pro-abortion groups Jane's Revenge and Ruth Sent Us. Since May 2020, there have been over 400 attacks on Catholic churches, the website reports.
"Congress ought to repeal [FACE] immediately," the Thomas More Society's Senior Counsel, Steve Crampton, told the Caller. Crampton represented Vaughn during his FACE trial.
Crampton stated unequivocally that pro-life protests have not increased in aggression during the post-Roe era.
He said there was a lack of "hardcore" protests by pro-life activists after the Dobbs decision and contrasted that with the hundreds of attacks against churches and pro-life pregnancy centers.
Organizations like the National Abortion Federation (NAF) claimed attacks on abortion clinics increased in 2022. The NAF's statistics are based on reports from facility members. A NAF report stated there was an increase in "clinic invasions," or individuals who "fake appointments," "force their way into the clinic" and "refuse to leave."
They reported 20 clinic invasions in 2022. From 2020 to 2022, there were zero reported murders, attempted murders and bombings at abortion clinics. There were four reported incidents of arson and 101 acts of vandalism in 2022, though.
The Crime Prevention Center (CPC) also conducted a study in 2022, but it showed pro-life groups experienced over 22 times more violence than pro-choice organizations. CPC identified 135 attacks on pro-life groups from the date of the Supreme Court leak to September 24, 2022. There were only six cases concerning pro-choice groups. CPC said NAF's 2021 report failed to provide a list of cases to substantiate the data.
Crampton argued there has not been an increase in pro-life protests, nonviolent or otherwise. He stated only a small percentage of pro-life individuals engage in demonstrations at abortion clinics.
He also noted how "for the first time in history," Biden's DOJ added underlying charges, specifically the felony Conspiracy Against Rights charge, to FACE Act prosecutions.
The Conspiracy Against Rights law prohibits two or more people from "conspir[ing] to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate" anyone exercising their constitutional rights. A violation of the law is punishable by fines and up to 10 years in prison, providing there is no kidnapping or sexual assault.
Crampton explained how the original purpose of the law -- enacted in 1870 -- was to protect newly enfranchised African American voters, but the Biden Administration "twisted" it to target peaceful pro-life activists exercising their First Amendment rights. Moreover, after the Dobbs decision, he said there was no constitutional right to an abortion.
President Bill Clinton nominated D.C.-based Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly in 1997. She has sentenced at least nine defendants during Biden's presidency, each time delivering severe punishments.
The Biden administration charged those defendants in 2022 with allegedly obstructing access to an abortion clinic in Washington, D.C. Each protester faced up to 11 years in prison, three years of supervised release and fines of up to $350,000, according to a DOJ press release.
The demonstrators protested the Washington Surgi-Clinic abortionist, Cesare Santangelo, who was accused of violating federal law by allegedly performing partial-birth abortions. Activists with the group Progressive Anti-Abortion Uprising reportedly found five fetuses -- which appeared to be victims of late term abortions -- in a box of 115 fetuses outside the clinic.
Pro-life organizations and five House Republicans in 2024 called for investigations into the five abortions.
One demonstrator at the clinic was a 75 year-old woman, Paulette "Paula" Harlow. Kollar-Kotelly sentenced her to 24 months in prison for allegedly violating FACE and the Conspiracy Against Rights law by attending the demonstration, according to a DOJ press release. Another defendant, Lauren Handy, was sentenced to almost five years in prison.

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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:03 PM (GBKbO)

2 This is who they are.

They are tyrants.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 06, 2024 04:04 PM (N1DT3)

3 We have won!

Posted by: The Greys at August 06, 2024 04:04 PM (Y8lzz)

4 all the skies are grey

as debbie blows through

Posted by: SturmToddler at August 06, 2024 04:05 PM (nXhwP)

5 Democrats = Party of Murder

Posted by: Glenn John at August 06, 2024 04:05 PM (nvKZ7)

6 Terrible

Posted by: It's me donna at August 06, 2024 04:05 PM (IyPmt)

7 These people are evil who know that you use power to punish your political enemies.

They are not interested in governing. They are not interested in "compromise"

They want to put their boots on the necks of their enemies and grind them into the dust.

That they haven't started killing us all yet is a matter of a lack of power, not desire.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 06, 2024 04:05 PM (N1DT3)

8 what horrible people

Posted by: brak at August 06, 2024 04:06 PM (NGHTx)

9 Gray. Very gray.

Posted by: Axeman at August 06, 2024 04:06 PM (krQz2)

10 Presumably Trump will pardon all these people as soon as he takes office.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 06, 2024 04:07 PM (xCA6C)

11 Gotta love those HTML jokes!!!!!!

Posted by: Max Power at August 06, 2024 04:07 PM (q177U)

12 They are not interested in governing. They are not interested in "compromise"

They want to put their boots on the necks of their enemies and grind them into the dust.

That they haven't started killing us all yet is a matter of a lack of power, not desire.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
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I would emphatically add, they do not care about the well-being of the country.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 06, 2024 04:07 PM (XeU6L)

13 Merritt Garland needs to go to jail

Posted by: It's me donna at August 06, 2024 04:08 PM (IyPmt)

14 Other than the obvious, how does this help them? I get they love killing infants and love laundering money through abortion but does a rando grandma really stand in the way of that?

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 06, 2024 04:08 PM (U8kCF)

15 These people are evil who know that you use power to punish your political enemies.

They are not interested in governing. They are not interested in "compromise"

They want to put their boots on the necks of their enemies and grind them into the dust.

That they haven't started killing us all yet is a matter of a lack of power, not desire.

It's called regression toward the mean. It's the standard of human behavior for all of history, and why America has been such an exception.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 06, 2024 04:08 PM (xCA6C)

16 Child sacrifice is one of the satanic cornerstones.

Posted by: Max Power at August 06, 2024 04:08 PM (q177U)

17 "The FACE Act became law in 1994 and prohibits 'violent, threatening, damaging, and obstructive conduct intended to injure, intimidate, or interfere with the right to seek, obtain or provide reproductive health services,' according to the DOJ."

It's absolutely insane that this law isn't unconstitutionally void for vagueness and overbreadth. Wtf does "obstructive conduct" mean? Anything can be obstructive. Ditto to "interfere with."

Literally you violate this law if you say to some poor girl headed to PP that "hey, are you sure you want to do this?"

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 06, 2024 04:08 PM (iFTx/)

18 No one is above 1870 law

Posted by: ... at August 06, 2024 04:08 PM (lmY9R)

19 Erin Hawley? The wife of known coward Josh Hawley?

Posted by: Deep State Covfefe at August 06, 2024 04:08 PM (qkLZk)

20 They should be the ones locked in the grey boxes.

Posted by: XTC at August 06, 2024 04:08 PM (6Uni8)

21 These are the actions of a despot.

Posted by: Shenanigans at August 06, 2024 04:08 PM (pZ0Mr)

22 Since the USSC ruled that abortion is a state issue, how does the FACE Act still apply? What is the Federal interest?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 06, 2024 04:09 PM (aD39U)

23 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 06, 2024 04:09 PM (Zz0t1)

24 We're grays, man. We're greys.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 06, 2024 04:09 PM (Zz0t1)

25 Merritt Garland needs to go to jail
Posted by: It's me donna

An oubliette on Devil's Island.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:09 PM (v6JzV)

26 How does 1/2 the country find acceptable?

Posted by: Piper at August 06, 2024 04:09 PM (QzINz)

27 Erin Hawley? The wife of known coward Josh Hawley?

Why is he a coward?

Posted by: Archimedes at August 06, 2024 04:09 PM (xCA6C)

28 Posted by: MAGA is weird at August 06, 2024 04:09 PM (Tknee)

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Like mandating a vaccine that doesn't stop disease?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:10 PM (GBKbO)

29 Those Molech-worshiping ghouls love child-k!lling so much.

Posted by: Eternity Matters at August 06, 2024 04:10 PM (8zyuO)

30 The best protest would be to dump dead cats from ASPCA on the clinics lawn.

Posted by: Pudinhead at August 06, 2024 04:10 PM (FmapG)

31 He also noted how "for the first time in history," Biden's DOJ added underlying charges, specifically the felony Conspiracy Against Rights charge, to FACE Act prosecutions.

The Conspiracy Against Rights law prohibits two or more people from "conspir[ing] to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate" anyone exercising their constitutional rights. A violation of the law is punishable by fines and up to 10 years in prison, providing there is no kidnapping or sexual assault.

Now, let's do law enforcement who violate people's 2nd Amendment rights.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at August 06, 2024 04:10 PM (ZHVrD)

32 No one ever worries about the reproductive rights of unborn children.

Posted by: Max Power at August 06, 2024 04:10 PM (q177U)

33 Elections used to be: "Try it our way and if you don't like it you can always try a different way in a few years."

Now they're: "Our way is the only way and if you don't like it then you are an enemy and must be prosecuted. There will be no public support of any other way. Conform or be silenced. Oh and don't worry about elections; your vote has already been cast for you."

Posted by: Shenanigans at August 06, 2024 04:10 PM (pZ0Mr)

34
Like mandating a vaccine that doesn't stop disease?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:10 PM (GBKbO)

Closing schools and churches ?

Posted by: It's me donna at August 06, 2024 04:10 PM (IyPmt)

35 They would start open a Gulag if they could

Posted by: Skip at August 06, 2024 04:11 PM (fwDg9)

36 I see they didn't include the mockery by the judge when the older lady was sentenced (and her husband asked for mercy due to her poor health) that "Since she cares so much about life, she'll probably try not to die!"

Again, these people are the true heirs of the murderous totalitarians.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 06, 2024 04:11 PM (N1DT3)

37 Meanwhile, the FACE Act specifically states that one must PREVENT the access, none of which EVER happens during the anti-baby murder peaceful protests.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 06, 2024 04:11 PM (Zz0t1)

38 Biden's DOJ
......

He's dead, Jim.
I'm pretty sure it's Ding-Dong's DOJ now.

Posted by: wth at August 06, 2024 04:11 PM (v0R5T)

39
The Conspiracy Against Rights law prohibits two or more people from "conspir[ing] to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate" anyone exercising their constitutional rights.

You mean like freedom of speech, which the left has done everything in its power to crush?

Posted by: Archimedes at August 06, 2024 04:11 PM (xCA6C)

40 This administration is sickening. I hope they all get right with God before they die. They are not off to a good start.

Posted by: bluebell at August 06, 2024 04:11 PM (bS+DD)

41 The Conspiracy Against Rights law prohibits two or more people from "conspir[ing] to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate" anyone exercising their constitutional rights. A violation of the law is punishable by fines and up to 10 years in prison, providing there is no kidnapping or sexual assault.

Like Conservatives that try to speak at Colleges ?

Posted by: It's me donna at August 06, 2024 04:11 PM (IyPmt)

42 >>>Why is he a coward?

You didn't see him running for the bleachers when the rioters hit the Capitol on January 6? Super Chicken, bawk bawk ba bawk ba bawk ba bawk ba BAWK!!

Posted by: Deep State Covfefe at August 06, 2024 04:12 PM (qkLZk)

43 Abolish the DOJ. All of it.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:12 PM (v6JzV)

44 I see they didn't include the mockery by the judge when the older lady was sentenced (and her husband asked for mercy due to her poor health) that "Since she cares so much about life, she'll probably try not to die!"

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Yeah she's particularly ghoulish.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 06, 2024 04:12 PM (c6trV)

45 Posted by: MAGA is weird at August 06, 2024 04:12 PM (Tknee)

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That's not what progressives were saying a few years ago when there were demands that people go to jail for not taking a vaccine that the CDC says doesn't stop covid.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:12 PM (GBKbO)

46 She explained how the DOJ prosecuted at least 26 pro-life individuals in 2022 but zero activists "who obstructed or vandalized pregnancy care centers."

Isn't this because they only come out at night?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 06, 2024 04:12 PM (Zz0t1)

47 You didn't see him running for the bleachers when the rioters hit the Capitol on January 6? Super Chicken, bawk bawk ba bawk ba bawk ba bawk ba BAWK!!

Oh, okay. You sound sane.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 06, 2024 04:12 PM (xCA6C)

48 40
The Conspiracy Against Rights law prohibits two or more people from "conspir[ing] to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate" anyone exercising their constitutional rights.

You mean like freedom of speech, which the left has done everything in its power to crush?
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So Freedom of Association trumps Disparate Impact?

Posted by: Pudinhead at August 06, 2024 04:12 PM (FmapG)

49 You didn't see him running for the bleachers when the rioters hit the Capitol on January 6? Super Chicken, bawk bawk ba bawk ba bawk ba bawk ba BAWK!!
Posted by: Deep State Covfefe at August 06, 2024 04:12 PM (qkLZk)

Not true

Posted by: It's me donna at August 06, 2024 04:13 PM (IyPmt)

50 35
Like mandating a vaccine that doesn't stop disease?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:10 PM (GBKbO)

Closing schools and churches ?
Posted by: It's me donna at August 06, 2024 04:10 PM (IyPmt)

Imprisoning nursing home residents and group home residents? Not even allowing them to go outside in a back yard where no other soul is around.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 06, 2024 04:13 PM (N39Ws)

51 Wait...abortion isn't a constitutional right, so the use of that 1870 law makes no sense.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 06, 2024 04:13 PM (d9fT1)

52
You didn't see him running for the bleachers when the rioters hit the Capitol on January 6? Super Chicken, bawk bawk ba bawk ba bawk ba bawk ba BAWK!!
Posted by: Deep State Covfefe at August 06, 2024 04:12 PM (qkLZk)

BAWK Tuah!!!! F*ck that chicken!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 06, 2024 04:13 PM (Zz0t1)

53 Truly evil people who hate America and the idea of free Americans. These people disgust me.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 06, 2024 04:13 PM (2ds6i)

54 Wait...abortion isn't a constitutional right, so the use of that 1870 law makes no sense.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 06, 2024 04:13 PM (d9fT1)

It's cute you think that makes a difference.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 06, 2024 04:13 PM (Zz0t1)

55 @17

>>Literally you violate this law if you say to some poor girl headed to PP that "hey, are you sure you want to do this?"

what does it mean to obstruct an investigation?

Pretty much anything the prosecutor thinks is obstructiing.

Well, you know their is going to be a lot of civil strife when Trump get elected and has to pardon thousands of J6'rs and all of the people prosecuted by this bullsh*t law.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 06, 2024 04:14 PM (XV/Pl)

56 Interfering with a woman’s right to her own body should carry long prison sentences. This is why everyone thinks you people are weird. You are domestic terrorists.

You mean like whether she chooses to get a "vaccine"?

Posted by: Archimedes at August 06, 2024 04:14 PM (xCA6C)

57 Obviously, the people enforcing the law against pro-life people have no fear the enhancement will be used against them. Yet, not only are the people doing the arresting liable under this law, they're also guilty of further crimes, which would be kidnapping, etc.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 06, 2024 04:14 PM (tT6L1)

58 We're speeding down the British highway to a two-tiered state of justice...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 06, 2024 04:14 PM (TGPs7)

59 Posted by: MAGA is weird at August 06, 2024 04:13 PM (Tknee)

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You think the vaccine stops covid?

Are you some kind of science denier who refuses to listen to the CDC?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:14 PM (GBKbO)

60 So who the hell is running the presidency? Are these morons taking turns?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 06, 2024 04:14 PM (d5m00)

61 45 Abolish the DOJ. All of it.
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Yep. States were the answer. Somebody fucked that up.

Posted by: Pudinhead at August 06, 2024 04:14 PM (FmapG)

62 When did that winter of death come, again?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:15 PM (GBKbO)

63 Stop feeding the troll.

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at August 06, 2024 04:15 PM (MIaMI)

64 >>>We're speeding down the British highway to a two-tiered state of justice...
Posted by: Mister Ghost

We remember the night rider!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 06, 2024 04:15 PM (d5m00)

65 When did that winter of death come, again?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:15 PM (GBKbO)

When the abolished Net Neutrality.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 06, 2024 04:15 PM (Zz0t1)

66 Child sacrifice is one of the satanic cornerstones.
Posted by: Max Power

It is the left's most important sacrament.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 06, 2024 04:15 PM (WXNFJ)

67 Ah, 1870. A great year. *puffs cigar*
-- Zombie Otto von Bismarck

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:16 PM (v6JzV)

68 Meanwhile, the FACE Act specifically states that one must PREVENT the access, none of which EVER happens during the anti-baby murder peaceful protests.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 06, 2024 04:11 PM (Zz0t1)
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It doesn't and that's the big problem. The law reads:

"by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally injures, intimidates or interferes with or attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with any person because that person is or has been, or in order to intimidate such person or any other person or any class of persons from, obtaining or providing reproductive health services"

That's pure dishwasher gobbledygook that covers virtually any protest activity. It even includes "attempts" that presumably failed. Of course, that's the real aim of the law: to prevent 1A rights.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 06, 2024 04:16 PM (iFTx/)

69 Stop feeding the troll.
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at August 06, 2024 04:15 PM (MIaMI)

It's a fauxoll.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 06, 2024 04:16 PM (aD39U)

70 I think "MAGA is weird" may be a sock.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2024 04:16 PM (dTTBf)

71 Joe Biden, devout Catholic.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 06, 2024 04:16 PM (/U5Yz)

72 I'm surprised they haven't tacked on additional charges and sentencing for violations of the Hatch and Logan Acts.

Forget it, Jake -- it's CalvinLaw all the way down ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 06, 2024 04:16 PM (W9DpR)

73 I’ve evolved on this issue. I think abortions should be mandatory for registered democrats.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 06, 2024 04:16 PM (npjob)

74 "God will not be mocked"

I wonder sometimes, why I was alive at this particular moment, a blip in history really. It is very sobering, because a lot of weird stuff. It really is Biblical, and I had sort of tuned out to a lot of things over the years thinking society was in a "post history" kind of thing.

Um.... no

LOL

And we all got a front row seat!

Posted by: Common Tater at August 06, 2024 04:17 PM (JGGiW)

75 Is there extra pay for being willowed?

X CEO Linda Yaccarino announced Tuesday the company has filed a lawsuit against GARM [Global Alliance for Responsible Media] , World Federation of Advertisers (WFA), and GARM members CVS Health, Mars, Orsted and Unilever.

Herrrrrrrre's Linda: - https://shorturl.at/FqMar

Posted by: Braenyard at August 06, 2024 04:17 PM (lCWOD)

76 It's hard not to use the word "Evil" sometimes.

Posted by: javems at August 06, 2024 04:17 PM (8I4hW)

77 I'd like to see the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit run profiles on senior Democrat Party leaders. They're awfully fond of violence towards kids, inside and outside the womb.

Posted by: callsign claymore at August 06, 2024 04:17 PM (jmkKK)

78 Every person is to be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a servant of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a servant of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.

Romans 13:1-4

I have to admit, I'm not really on board with St. Paul on this one, considering how ass-backwards and inside out everything is.

Posted by: I think he assumed way too much at August 06, 2024 04:17 PM (q1Zxb)

79 Froll?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 06, 2024 04:17 PM (aD39U)

80 79 I’ve evolved on this issue. I think abortions should be mandatory for registered democrats.
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I agree.

Posted by: Pudinhead at August 06, 2024 04:17 PM (FmapG)

81 Abortion is the Holy Grail of the left.

I wish Pro-Lifers would stop trying to overturn existing laws and instead spend time, resources and manpower on supporting women who choose to have their unplanned children. If women knew there were OPTIONS where they would be supported (emotionally and spiritually, not entirely financially) though their pregnancy, perhaps we could be the Choose Life party.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 06, 2024 04:17 PM (W2Pud)

82 It doesn't and that's the big problem. The law reads:

"by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally injures, intimidates or interferes with or attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with any person because that person is or has been, or in order to intimidate such person or any other person or any class of persons from, obtaining or providing reproductive health services"

Peaceful protests do NONE of that, nor do any that spend any time outside of a clinic.

They're abusing the law because NO ONE STOPS THEM FROM DOING IT.

Why do we even HAVE a federal government because they accomplish NOTHING that helps ANYONE in this country.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 06, 2024 04:18 PM (Zz0t1)

83
Geez, the middle of the state of PA is getting nailed with rain, while HC Debby is approaching the same area tomorrow. This may not end well.

Governor Shapiro, tear ~~down that wall~~ off that foreskin!

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 06, 2024 04:18 PM (RKVpM)

84 86 79 I’ve evolved on this issue. I think abortions should be mandatory for registered democrats.
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I agree.
Posted by: Pudinhead at August 06, 2024 04:17 PM (FmapG)

I'll make that exception

Posted by: It's me donna at August 06, 2024 04:18 PM (IyPmt)

85 So who the hell is running the presidency? Are these morons taking turns?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp
.......

Today it's Ding-Dong. Tomorrow, who knows?

Posted by: wth at August 06, 2024 04:18 PM (v0R5T)

86 We need a word for fake troll. Sock isn't good enough. We're mostly all socks.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 06, 2024 04:18 PM (aD39U)

87 At this rate, Raskin might be seeing his wet dreams about a second Civil War come true.

Posted by: NR Pax at August 06, 2024 04:18 PM (lXCUP)

88 92 We need a word for fake troll. Sock isn't good enough. We're mostly all socks.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 06, 2024 04:18 PM (aD39U)

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I am not a sock!

I am a man!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:18 PM (GBKbO)

89 They had a pretty good land patent or mining law of 1876 or whatever.

I betcha that one, however - rescinded. Null and void. Finis. Kaput. Expunged, dead and buried.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 06, 2024 04:18 PM (JGGiW)

90 If women knew there were OPTIONS where they would be supported (emotionally and spiritually, not entirely financially) though their pregnancy, perhaps we could be the Choose Life party.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 06, 2024 04:17 PM (W2Pud)

If you even ATTEMPT to make them aware, you will be ARRESTED.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 06, 2024 04:19 PM (Zz0t1)

91 Trump's gonna be a dictator!

Posted by: ... at August 06, 2024 04:19 PM (ibK+V)

92 92 We need a word for fake troll. Sock isn't good enough. We're mostly all socks.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 06, 2024 04:18 PM (aD39U)

Spank sock?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 06, 2024 04:19 PM (npjob)

93 Geez, the middle of the state of PA is getting nailed with rain, while HC Debby is approaching the same area tomorrow. This may not end well.

Governor Shapiro, tear down that wall off that foreskin!

DC is in the crosshairs. I'm pretty sure this is why the phrase "perfect storm" was coined. Otherwise, it has become a tedious cliche.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 06, 2024 04:19 PM (xCA6C)

94 We need a word for fake troll. Sock isn't good enough. We're mostly all socks.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 06, 2024 04:18 PM (aD39U)

Jerk sock

Posted by: ... at August 06, 2024 04:19 PM (ibK+V)

95 I am not a sock!

I am a man!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:18 PM (GBKbO)

I thought you were a HUUMAN BEEN!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 06, 2024 04:19 PM (Zz0t1)

96 That'll do it~!

@Breaking911 19m
REPORTER: “Israel could be under attack at any moment from Iran. U.S. troops in Iraq were injured yesterday. Why have we not heard directly from President Biden? He’s still the President — where is he?”

KJP: “We just put out two readouts!”

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 06, 2024 04:19 PM (IG4Id)

97 You've got to
EAT THE BABIES

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at August 06, 2024 04:20 PM (DB1hg)

98 You weirdos are stuck in the 1950/ where women are pregnant and at home cooking meatloaf for their husband.
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Good meatloaf is hard to make.

Posted by: Pudinhead at August 06, 2024 04:20 PM (FmapG)

99 Trump's gonna be a dictator!
Posted by: ... at August 06, 2024 04:19 PM (ibK+V)

Literally EVERYTHING they say Trump is GONNA do, they're already doing tenfold.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 06, 2024 04:20 PM (Zz0t1)

100 >>>Not true

https://tinyurl.com/mva74mc2

Posted by: Deep State Covfefe at August 06, 2024 04:20 PM (qkLZk)

101 I liked Cat Ass Trophy's "sockiness" better. It was funnier. I'm sorry that he and Ace had a dust up and Cat Ass left, and yes, I think the Cafe is fine.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2024 04:20 PM (dTTBf)

102 I am not a sock!

I am a man!

Ah, but are you a full grown man?

Posted by: Bo Diddley at August 06, 2024 04:20 PM (xCA6C)

103 So where is Xi Jinping?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:20 PM (v6JzV)

104 @Breaking911 19m
REPORTER: “Israel could be under attack at any moment from Iran. U.S. troops in Iraq were injured yesterday. Why have we not heard directly from President Biden? He’s still the President — where is he?”

He's napping

Posted by: It's me donna at August 06, 2024 04:20 PM (IyPmt)

105 >>>We need a word for fake troll. Sock isn't good enough. We're mostly all socks.

Before I learned about the hash tags I used to fake troll on here. Simpler times...

Posted by: Max Power at August 06, 2024 04:20 PM (q177U)

106 That's pure dishwasher gobbledygook that covers virtually any protest activity. It even includes "attempts" that presumably failed. Of course, that's the real aim of the law: to prevent 1A rights.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 06, 2024 04:16 PM (iFTx/)

Same kind of stupid shit that gets Jeff Gray arrested for holding a "God Bless the Homeless Vets" sign, or people filming in public.

Posted by: You're causing a disturbance, get on the ground at August 06, 2024 04:20 PM (q1Zxb)

107 Meanwhile down in Tennessee, the FBI just arrested on bizarre campaign finance charges a sitting congressman who defeated their preferred Never Trump candidate last week. Our Democracy is so, so Soviet. I'm sure the congressional GOP will step right up to the plate.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 06, 2024 04:21 PM (KSNKu)

108 Jerk sock
Posted by: ...

"In days of old
when knights were bold
and rubbers weren't invented,
they tied a sock
around their . . . ."

-- we all know the rest of this one.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 06, 2024 04:21 PM (WXNFJ)

109 The Conspiracy Against Rights law prohibits two or more people from "conspir[ing] to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate" anyone exercising their constitutional rights.

Well, that looks like an opportunity for lawfare against all the tech giants and the DOJ itself.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 06, 2024 04:21 PM (hB7mE)

110 62 We're speeding down the British highway to a two-tiered state of justice...
Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 06, 2024 04:14 PM (TGPs7)
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We're there. For all my life I've heard about the glorious nature of Anglosphere justice, and the Anglo-Saxon tradition.

It was bull shit. Just luck.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 06, 2024 04:21 PM (1bNHn)

111
I have to admit, I'm not really on board with St. Paul on this one, considering how ass-backwards and inside out everything is.
Posted by: I think he assumed way too much at August 06, 2024 04:17 PM (q1Zxb)
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Render unto Ceasar the things which belong to Caesar and render unto God the things which belong to GOD.

Matt 12:20-22

Where Man's law and God's law come into conflict, God's law is supreme.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 06, 2024 04:21 PM (tT6L1)

112 We need a word for fake troll. Sock isn't good enough. We're mostly all socks.?

Holey sock?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2024 04:21 PM (dTTBf)

113 We need a word for fake troll. Sock isn't good enough. We're mostly all socks.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
......

I lost my twin brother in the great wash of 2020.

Posted by: wth at August 06, 2024 04:21 PM (v0R5T)

114 We know they do the same thing here that they are doing in the UK. Favored groups can protest as violently as they like, unflavored groups can't even peacefully protest without having the book thrown at them.

Posted by: steevy at August 06, 2024 04:21 PM (HJ9BW)

115 You've got to
EAT THE BABIES
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism

I hear they work well in a ragout.
-- Zombie Jonathan Swift

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:21 PM (v6JzV)

116 113 We need a word for fake troll. Sock isn't good enough. We're mostly all socks.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
......

Someone above said Froll.. fake troll.. I like it

Posted by: It's me donna at August 06, 2024 04:22 PM (IyPmt)

117 It should be noted that background checks are not, as far as I know, required for anyone running for elected office.

Simply getting elected aka "winning" an election, one has been "deemed" to have passed a background check just like if you were in say, the Air Force or Navy.

Does this pass the smell test? Fuck no. But that's how they do it. So while Joe Snuffy cools his heels in Leavenworth for inadvertantly taking a picture of the shitter on a submarine or whatever,

failure to safeguard state secrets on unsecure computer servers? Meh, barely an inconvenience.

What's an "air gap" anyway?

Posted by: Common Tater at August 06, 2024 04:22 PM (JGGiW)

118 nurse,

my local crisis pregnancy center does exactly these things, including providing diapers, formula, clothes, and other essentials. They also offer parenting and life skills classes, where the new mothers can earn credit to buy more items from a store staffed and provisioned by volunteer donations.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at August 06, 2024 04:22 PM (PiwSw)

119 Interfering with a woman’s right to her own body should carry long prison sentences. This is why everyone thinks you people are weird.

You are domestic terrorists.

Time to show the left words have meaning.
Time to start cutting off heads.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at August 06, 2024 04:22 PM (ZHVrD)

120 Literally EVERYTHING they say Trump is GONNA do, they're already doing tenfold.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 06, 2024 04:20 PM (Zz0t1)
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If projection were an Olympic sport, the left would take every single medal.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 06, 2024 04:22 PM (tT6L1)

121 Someone above said Froll.. fake troll.. I like it
Posted by: It's me donna

Frolldo

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:23 PM (v6JzV)

122 I thought you were a HUUMAN BEEN!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden
.......

That's BEAN, bruh.

Posted by: wth at August 06, 2024 04:23 PM (v0R5T)

123 114 We know they do the same thing here that they are doing in the UK. Favored groups can protest as violently as they like, unflavored groups can't even peacefully protest without having the book thrown at them.
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And then the IEDs showed up.

Posted by: Pudinhead at August 06, 2024 04:23 PM (FmapG)

124 wish Pro-Lifers would stop trying to overturn existing laws and instead spend time, resources and manpower on supporting women who choose to have their unplanned children. If women knew there were OPTIONS where they would be supported (emotionally and spiritually, not entirely financially) though their pregnancy, perhaps we could be the Choose Life party.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 06, 2024 04:17 PM (W2Pud)

This is a leftist pro-abort talking point and you may not even realize it. Pro-lifers spend a great deal of time and resources in crisis pregnancy centers but get subjected to lawfare, deplatforming, fines and prosecution for it.

Posted by: They can and do but pro-aborts suppress it at August 06, 2024 04:23 PM (q1Zxb)

125 It is cold comfort that Canada and the UK are even worse on protecting the rights of their citizens.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 06, 2024 04:24 PM (Cus5s)

126 If projection were an Olympic sport, the left would take every single medal.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 06, 2024 04:22 PM (tT6L1)

And then claim that you took them.

Posted by: ... at August 06, 2024 04:24 PM (ibK+V)

127 So where is Xi Jinping?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Probably trying to find Walz' CCP handler.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 06, 2024 04:24 PM (IG4Id)

128 I wish Pro-Lifers would stop trying to overturn existing laws and instead spend time, resources and manpower on supporting women who choose to have their unplanned children.

Considering that a fair amount of lawfare from the abortion enthusiasts is aimed at preventing them from doing exactly that, the "overturning existing laws" is a necessary component of spending time, resources, and manpower on supporting that kind of woman.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 06, 2024 04:24 PM (hB7mE)

129 The more you think about it, the more you realize nearly everything is pretty weird.

Posted by: Max Power at August 06, 2024 04:24 PM (q177U)

130 If you thought you hated Mitch McConnell enough, you don't.

“The language they used in the ’20s and ’30s are similar to what you hear today - ‘America First,’”

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 06, 2024 04:24 PM (/U5Yz)

131 70 I think "MAGA is weird" may be a sock.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2024 04:16 PM (dTTBf)
_______
Obviously, "FenelonSpoke" is a sock for Sherlock Holmes.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 06, 2024 04:24 PM (1bNHn)

132 I think that TJM, like Muldoon, is AI.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:24 PM (v6JzV)

133 I am not a sock!

I am a man!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:18 PM (GBKbO)
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I am a squirrel!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 06, 2024 04:24 PM (7fElN)

134 Here we go

Posted by: ... at August 06, 2024 04:25 PM (ibK+V)

135 I am not a sock!

I am a man!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

We are not men.

Posted by: Devo socks at August 06, 2024 04:25 PM (v0R5T)

136 132 I think that TJM, like Muldoon, is AI.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:24 PM (v6JzV)

=======

I am an Albanian bot.

Get it right.

Also an asshole. And illiterate.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:25 PM (GBKbO)

137 Tater Tot casserole! FTW.

Tater tot enthusiasts know, they are (sometimes) difficult to source. They like to substitute ersatz, inferior substitutes. Hit or miss. I know potatoes are practically of the devil (Nightshade family, natch) but they are tasty AF when made right, convenient.

I couldn't get Sriracha sauce for two years. I mean, I tried. Sort of. Did You Know? The Heniz version sucks ass.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 06, 2024 04:25 PM (JGGiW)

138 “The language they used in the ’20s and ’30s are similar to what you hear today - ‘America First,’”

23 skidoo!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:25 PM (v6JzV)

139 >>>> Posted by: Deep State Covfefe at August 06, 2024 04:20 PM (qkLZk)

======

Brilliant. Post a link that's behind a paywall.

Posted by: Turn 2 at August 06, 2024 04:25 PM (kkC0z)

140 VP Pick Tim Walz Pushed To Close Gitmo and House Terrorists in US

https://tinyurl.com/3y4trz7r

Posted by: Archimedes at August 06, 2024 04:26 PM (xCA6C)

141 If they are so damn excited about abortion, here's an idea. Abort yourselves.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at August 06, 2024 04:26 PM (mAAeV)

142 Democrats seem determined to enhance their prospects of eternal damnation.

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at August 06, 2024 04:26 PM (zRKQy)

143 REPORTER: “Israel could be under attack at any moment from Iran. U.S. troops in Iraq were injured yesterday. Why have we not heard directly from President Biden? He’s still the President — where is he?”

He's napping
Posted by: It's me donna

Why the hell do we have troops in Iran? Fighting Iran or helping them?

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at August 06, 2024 04:26 PM (ZHVrD)

144 139 Brilliant. Post a link that's behind a paywall.
Posted by: Turn 2 at August 06, 2024 04:25 PM (kkC0z)

=======

Hawley ran because he was ordered to by Capitol Police.

Everyone ran.

Trump, on the other hand, got up after having been shot, raised his fist, and shouted "Fight, fight, fight," to the crowd. It was a different time, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:26 PM (GBKbO)

145 Reading a biography of Lenin, in between comments, the amount of infighting and murder is astonishing to read. Being a Bolshevik isn't a life saver.

Posted by: Skip at August 06, 2024 04:26 PM (fwDg9)

146
Brilliant. Post a link that's behind a paywall.
Posted by: Turn 2 at August 06, 2024 04:25 PM (kkC0z)

It was about Josh Haley running like a chicken on Jan. 6th which has long been proven to be false...

Posted by: It's me donna at August 06, 2024 04:27 PM (IyPmt)

147 >>>Brilliant. Post a link that's behind a paywall.

Ask your mommy for her credit card.

Posted by: Deep State Covfefe at August 06, 2024 04:27 PM (qkLZk)

148 The dirty little secret, Americans are among the most magnanimous in the world, it probably isn't even close.

They are NOT down with "America Last" however.

Q.E.D.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 06, 2024 04:27 PM (JGGiW)

149 "The Conspiracy Against Rights law prohibits two or more people from "conspir[ing] to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate" anyone exercising their constitutional rights. A violation of the law is punishable by fines and up to 10 years in prison, providing there is no kidnapping or sexual assault."

Who can report this crime?
I feel my 1A rights are being oppressed by Meta and Google.
I feel my 2A rights are being threatened by Mark Kelly and his wife.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 06, 2024 04:27 PM (toj3d)

150 You know, if Biden had really gotten 81 million votes, they would have been able to make him disappear so easily.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 06, 2024 04:28 PM (npjob)

151 >>>Trump, on the other hand, got up after having been shot, raised his fist, and shouted "Fight, fight, fight," to the crowd. It was a different time, though.

Was that a dream you had? In your special sock?

Posted by: Deep State Covfefe at August 06, 2024 04:28 PM (qkLZk)

152 150 You know, if Biden had really gotten 81 million votes, they would have been able to make him disappear so easily.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 06, 2024 04:28 PM (npjob)

=======

You know, mail in ballots are the most secure methods for voting and least likely way to have any cheating.

That's why the College of Cardinals vote by mail for Pope.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:29 PM (GBKbO)

153 Isn't this an example of what Gorsuch talks about in his latest book? Too many federal laws?

Posted by: beckster at August 06, 2024 04:29 PM (GbGY3)

154 >>> It was about Josh Haley running like a chicken on Jan. 6th which has long been proven to be false...
Posted by: It's me donna at August 06, 2024 04:27 PM (IyPmt)

Oh, I figured. Obviously my skills at mocking need much work.

Posted by: Turn 2 at August 06, 2024 04:29 PM (kkC0z)

155 I love it when threads go off the rails. Makes me feel smarter.

Posted by: Devo socks at August 06, 2024 04:29 PM (v0R5T)

156
Well, that looks like an opportunity for lawfare against all the tech giants and the DOJ itself.

no standing

Posted by: Federal Courts at August 06, 2024 04:29 PM (NGHTx)

157 I wish I was a black Indian woman.

Posted by: Ben Stiller at August 06, 2024 04:29 PM (Y8lzz)

158 One of the few Republicans to vote for FACE way back when was...Bitch McConnell

You see conservatives had larger, more effective protest groups then, all centered on opposing abortion and Bitch and his ilk didn't want to see that...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 06, 2024 04:29 PM (oZhjI)

159 Posted by: Deep State Covfefe at August 06, 2024 04:28 PM (qkLZk)

======

Dude is trying to say that people are delusional for not know about a half second video of Hawley while acting like the most famous image of the past few years doesn't exist.

You're a silly, unserious person.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:30 PM (GBKbO)

160 The Manchurian Candidate says Hi!

Michael Lucci
@Michael7ucci
Kamala Harris tapping Tim Walz for VP is a case study in how the Chinese Communist Party's sub-national influence strategies can translate into an advocate in the White House.

China cultivated Walz as a teacher and a state legislator. He lived in China and visited ~30 times.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 06, 2024 04:30 PM (TGPs7)

161 “The language they used in the ’20s and ’30s are similar to what you hear today - ‘America First,’”

We also wore an onion on our belts, which was the style at the time.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 06, 2024 04:31 PM (aD39U)

162 143 REPORTER: “Israel could be under attack at any moment from Iran. U.S. troops in Iraq were injured yesterday. Why have we not heard directly from President Biden? He’s still the President — where is he?”

He sleeps the sleep of the dead. The Junta is past answering questions.

Posted by: Auspex at August 06, 2024 04:31 PM (j4U/Z)

163 China cultivated Walz as a teacher and a state legislator. He lived in China and visited ~30 times.
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Me so onery.

Posted by: Pudinhead at August 06, 2024 04:31 PM (FmapG)

164 That's why the College of Cardinals vote by mail for Pope.

and then a pipe burst at the Vatican and they paused counting at 2am and someone found a trunk full of ballots for Francis in the back of a Fiat double parked behind the Lateran Palace

Posted by: brak at August 06, 2024 04:31 PM (NGHTx)

165 Those that will conform and be ruled and those that won't will be punished. These people are vile.

Posted by: DMV at August 06, 2024 04:33 PM (2bFN5)

166 Democrats seem determined to enhance their prospects of eternal damnation.
Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at August 06, 2024 04:26 PM (zRKQy)

Like crabs in a bucket, they want to pull us all down.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 06, 2024 04:33 PM (aD39U)

167 Romans 13:1-4

I have to admit, I'm not really on board with St. Paul on this one, considering how ass-backwards and inside out everything is.

Posted by: I think he assumed way too much at August 06, 2024 04:17 PM (q1Zxb)

You actually are.

This is one of those scenarios where sola scriptura falls short of the mark.

Paul, himself, was arrested for preaching the gospel and placed in prison. If we don't understand that and combine it with the church tradition of martyrdom in defiance of civil authority when in service of the Lord, then we might read passages like the one you quoted and draw improper conclusions that the obedient Christian is to comply with every request of civil authority.

I've always understood Paul's message here to mean "we don't overthrow government " rather then "we live as civil authorities command, without defiance", when you combine passages like that along with the actual lives of the apostles, Christian martyrs and the lives of the saints.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at August 06, 2024 04:34 PM (Yu+Ga)

168 Tim Walz is a SIMP pussy.

Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2024 04:34 PM (RRRM+)

169 BREAKING: FBI Raids MAGA Rep. Andy Ogles Over Campaign Donations Days After He Defeated RINO in GOP Primary

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 06, 2024 04:34 PM (/U5Yz)

170 "The Conspiracy Against Rights law prohibits two or more people from "conspir[ing] to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate" anyone exercising their constitutional rights. A violation of the law is punishable by fines and up to 10 years in prison, providing there is no kidnapping or sexual assault."

Who can report this crime?
I feel my 1A rights are being oppressed by Meta and Google.
I feel my 2A rights are being threatened by Mark Kelly and his wife.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 06, 2024 04:27 PM (toj3d)
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It's (D)ifferent in (D)ifferent cases.

Posted by: Axeman at August 06, 2024 04:34 PM (krQz2)

171 I think that TJM, like Muldoon, is AI.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:24 PM (v6JzV)

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* Mannix and whig have entered the chat *

Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 06, 2024 04:35 PM (W9DpR)

172 Colleen Kollar-Kotelly Kunt !

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 06, 2024 04:36 PM (NtVYv)

173 Biden Administration using "DOJ for political ends"?

No Shit Sherlock

Posted by: Comanche Voter at August 06, 2024 04:36 PM (cB7nX)

174 Why would you think Muldoon and TJM are not real?

Posted by: Skip at August 06, 2024 04:36 PM (fwDg9)

175 Just a pinch of incense is all the State requires.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 06, 2024 04:36 PM (aD39U)

176 No can convince me that the Pope was "installed" as a sort of tit-for tat commie thing, a counterbalance to Reagan and Pope John Paul II ?

The churches have always been a target by the alphabet agencies, at least since the 1950s if their published or leaked pronouncements are any guide. In the 1960s Johnson and the democrat congress made sure to drive a stake into any thought of political activism on the part of the organized major religions. Now my criticism was, going totally secular was a gut wrenching thing. 30 years of expunging any sort of religious sentiment from the public sphere.

But they open the border to Moslems? Why isn't every "Feminist" or "Freedom From Religion" acolyte screeching like a wounded eagle on this development?

Ooops

Posted by: Common Tater at August 06, 2024 04:36 PM (JGGiW)

177 This is why Kamala will easily win. You weirdos are stuck in the 1950/ where women are pregnant and at home cooking meatloaf for their husband.
Posted by: MAGA is weird at August 06, 2024 04:15 PM (Tknee)

Bassza meg

Posted by: Hungarian Gypsy at August 06, 2024 04:36 PM (iODuv)

178 I've always understood Paul's message here to mean "we don't overthrow government " rather then "we live as civil authorities command, without defiance"
Posted by: Malcolm Tent

The early Christians had to tread carefully in regard to the civil authority. It's also the reason why Paul couldn't directly interfere with the institution of slavery in the matter of Onesimus.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:37 PM (v6JzV)

179 I wish I was a black Indian woman.
Posted by: Ben Stiller at August 06, 2024 04:29 PM (Y8lzz)

You went full-retard.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 06, 2024 04:37 PM (cf/0E)

180 Why would you think Muldoon and TJM are not real?
Posted by: Skip at August 06, 2024 04:36 PM (fwDg9)
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Because it amuses us?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 06, 2024 04:37 PM (tT6L1)

181 >. Why have we not heard directly from President Biden? He’s still the President — where is he?”

---

Ah, you won't see him around no more.

Posted by: Don Black at August 06, 2024 04:37 PM (/7KEl)

182 * Mannix and whig have entered the chat *

Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 06, 2024 04:35 PM (W9DpR)

Whig took over for Jeeves, he is better than Jeeves, ask Jeeves

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 06, 2024 04:37 PM (NtVYv)

183 I like meatloaf.

Posted by: wth at August 06, 2024 04:37 PM (v0R5T)

184 Literally you violate this law if you say to some poor girl headed to PP that "hey, are you sure you want to do this?"

Except the VAST majority of abortions aren't had by girls, but by 26-32 year old women who should know better. Part of the lie is that it's some dumb 16 year old. It's not, it's some degenerate lazy 28 year old.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 06, 2024 04:38 PM (U8kCF)

185 "The language they used in the ’20s and ’30s are similar to what you hear today - ‘America First,’”

If you look at lists of slang from the 20's and 30's is still current such as "baloney" for nonsense or a "belly laugh"-big laugh. My favorite from the 20's which I haven't heard used is "Zozzled" for drunk.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 06, 2024 04:38 PM (dTTBf)

186 FBI Raids MAGA Rep. Andy Ogles Over Campaign Donations Days After He Defeated RINO in GOP Primary

I'm shocked, shocked to hear this.

Remember when campaign violations were handled as fines not even investigated until after elections were over?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 06, 2024 04:38 PM (oZhjI)

187 I picture Muldoon as Marcus Welby only much funnier

Posted by: Skip at August 06, 2024 04:38 PM (fwDg9)

188 What's the rumpus?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 06, 2024 04:39 PM (aD39U)

189 Why would you think Muldoon and TJM are not real?
Posted by: Skip

Muldoon's limerick-composition ability is obviously dependent on large-language models.

And TJM? Prometheus. I mean, come on.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:39 PM (v6JzV)

190 This whole Kamala Harris thing is going so badly for Democrats they might actually put Biden back in. - Sean Davis

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 06, 2024 04:39 PM (/U5Yz)

191 190 This whole Kamala Harris thing is going so badly for Democrats they might actually put Biden back in. - Sean Davis
Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 06, 2024 04:39 PM (/U5Yz)

Speaking of belly laughs

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at August 06, 2024 04:39 PM (PiwSw)

192 Meatloaf made right, is a righteous thing. I don't care who made it. She might try to get some pointers from me, MFer.

Leftists only "know" what they think they know, about other people. Most often, it ain't so. But that doesn't stop them.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 06, 2024 04:39 PM (JGGiW)

193 Gimme three steps......

Posted by: Joe Comfrtably Numb Biden at August 06, 2024 04:40 PM (NtVYv)

194 The loft declared civil war several years ago and we are now just waking up to it. Unfortunately they have all the lovers of government and bureaucracy to use against us and any concerted pushback would require an very ugly situation.

Posted by: Roberto at August 06, 2024 04:40 PM (j9PJe)

195
Who doesn't visit China 30 times?

Posted by: Auspex at August 06, 2024 04:41 PM (j4U/Z)

196 All true conservatives must vote for Harris
--Adam Kinzinger

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at August 06, 2024 04:41 PM (zRKQy)

197 Used to be some sauce that came in a can for making meatloaf. I loved that stuff, now I am find it anywhere. I think they stopped making it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 06, 2024 04:41 PM (npjob)

198 Meatloaf made right, is a righteous thing.
......

Good ones don't even need ketchup.

Posted by: wth at August 06, 2024 04:41 PM (v0R5T)

199 Meatloaf, mashed potatoes and gravy would be my death row last meal.

Posted by: Don Black at August 06, 2024 04:41 PM (/7KEl)

200 The early Christians had to tread carefully in regard to the civil authority. It's also the reason why Paul couldn't directly interfere with the institution of slavery in the matter of Onesimus.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:37 PM (v6JzV)

Certainly true.

I think if one were to take Paul's message to its extreme, as though it were a commandment to Christians, then the very church would not have even met to worship, as early Christians were in many cases prohibited by civil authorities from worshipping in any organized sense.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at August 06, 2024 04:41 PM (Yu+Ga)

201 This is one of those scenarios where sola scriptura falls short of the mark.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at August 06, 2024 04:34 PM (Yu+Ga)
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Not really. Jesus complained all the time about the people who were set up over him as civil authorities. People who "sit in the seat of Moses".

That's all in scripture and scripture can be weighed against scripture.

It's pretty clear that Paul is right, in that he submitted to the laws of Rome and the process of Roman law. But there is no point in the Bible that says override the express law of God for a secular law of Man.

There you have a clear dictate from God, so you cannot take the civil laws as equal to the "Will of God". And our primary example is Jesus--except where he goes around proclaiming himself as the "bridegroom" or the "Son of Man" or the "Lord of the Sabbath". And stuff like that. "One greater than ..."

Posted by: Axeman at August 06, 2024 04:42 PM (krQz2)

202 We loved Meatloaf.

Posted by: Bat In Hell at August 06, 2024 04:42 PM (/U5Yz)

203 Biden won the D primary. If he isn't their standard bearer whoever is will be "selected not elected"

Posted by: 18-1 at August 06, 2024 04:42 PM (oZhjI)

204 203 Biden won the D primary. If he isn't their standard bearer whoever is will be "selected not elected"
Posted by: 18-1 at August 06, 2024 04:42 PM (oZhjI)

========

Anything to preserve democracy, including trying to keep the opposition party off the ballot in Colorado.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, riding the anarchy train with John Landis at August 06, 2024 04:43 PM (GBKbO)

205 Jan Mikkleson on WHO 1040 Radio Des Moines was a longtime radio talk show host. Very good, and on for 2.5 hours before Rush Limbaugh.

He had a thought exercise that I had never heard fully fleshed out, that I always wanted to learn more about. Slavery was not illegal in the Bible.

Once in a while, he would try to flesh out with callers why did they believe what they believe. "Everyone knows slavery was wrong"

Well, WHY is it wrong? Where does one draw upon the authority to say that?

He had liberals pegged 30 years ago. "You'll throw us conservatives in a gulag camp the first chance you get". Karen about shit a brick when he said that. LOL

He was not wrong

Posted by: Common Tater at August 06, 2024 04:43 PM (JGGiW)

206 President Bill Clinton nominated D.C.-based Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly in 1997. She has sentenced at least nine defendants during Biden's presidency, each time delivering severe punishments.

Looking at this Judge's picture, I see nothing but a cold, calculating bitch. Evil.

Posted by: Cheri at August 06, 2024 04:43 PM (oiNtH)

207 You know who else outlawed opposition parties?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 06, 2024 04:44 PM (npjob)

208
Posted by: logprof at August 06, 2024 04:34 PM (RRRM+)

OMG how is you

Posted by: ... at August 06, 2024 04:44 PM (lX8VI)

209 Which book is sola scriptura in?

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 06, 2024 04:44 PM (U8kCF)

210 DNC has paid this Manhattan judge at least 12 million dollars to put Trump in jail before the election.

Posted by: Going deep. Out. at August 06, 2024 04:44 PM (9X60i)

211 MOM ! The MEATLOAF !

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 06, 2024 04:45 PM (NtVYv)

212 Which book is sola scriptura in?

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 06, 2024 04:44 PM (U8kCF)

I think one of the ones the reformers removed.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at August 06, 2024 04:45 PM (Yu+Ga)

213 Well, WHY is it wrong? Where does one draw upon the authority to say that?

Pretty much all of the nominal things leftist believe in ultimately come down to a perverted version of Christianity.

But if The Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't real why is murder unethical? "No man no problem" as one leftist in good standing put it.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 06, 2024 04:46 PM (oZhjI)

214 DNC has paid this Manhattan judge at least 12 million dollars to put Trump in jail before the election.

Posted by: Going deep. Out. at August 06, 2024 04:44 PM (9X60i)

Care to back that up with some facts?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 06, 2024 04:47 PM (d9fT1)

215 So it's obvious they kenw Biden was going but didn't want Kamala to have to face primary voters again. So this is what they came up with. Bastards.

Posted by: ... at August 06, 2024 04:47 PM (lX8VI)

216 210 DNC has paid this Manhattan judge at least 12 million dollars to put Trump in jail before the election.

Posted by: Going deep. Out. at August 06, 2024 04:44 PM (9X60i)

****

If they put him in jail, Trump will have turnout numbers bigger than anyone could ever imagine.

Posted by: Shenanigans at August 06, 2024 04:48 PM (pZ0Mr)

217 The early Christians had to tread carefully in regard to the civil authority. It's also the reason why Paul couldn't directly interfere with the institution of slavery in the matter of Onesimus.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:37 PM (v6JzV)
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It's well-established that if the early church would have had a policy 100% against slavery and if they had widely taught it, they would have been prosecuted as a conspiracy against the public order and the tradition of slavery under Roman law.

Besides, it was not God's plan to shoot his wad all at once. That's not how God's patience works. And, based on the idea that God intended to send the message he has working with and through flawed men, helping them to get better and better (Western Civilization) and to raise the ceilings, it could have very well been the *wrong* plan.

The miracle of our creation is that God allows his will and desire to be thwarted so often and so nearly completely, that he allows us to live. And that is close to 100% of our "gift of life" from God.

Posted by: Axeman at August 06, 2024 04:48 PM (krQz2)

218 You could make an argument that turn the other check is anti-slavery. The admonition wasn't intended to mean that you ignore being slapped. Only slaves were struck with the left hand. Turning the other cheek mean to present your face to the attacker as an equal because we all share equal footing as images of God. Everyone is a slave to sin, so that's the slavery God is concerned about. The separation of His children from Him for eternity not earthly misery.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 06, 2024 04:49 PM (U8kCF)

219 MOM ! The MEATLOAF !

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 06, 2024 04:45 PM (NtVYv)
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One of the greatest uncredited bit roles in a comedy.

Posted by: Axeman at August 06, 2024 04:49 PM (krQz2)

220 I used to say it will be illegal to be Catholic in my kids' lifetime. Now its in mine.

Posted by: teh Wind at August 06, 2024 04:49 PM (l+V04)

221 I think if one were to take Paul's message to its extreme, as though it were a commandment to Christians, then the very church would not have even met to worship, as early Christians were in many cases prohibited by civil authorities from worshipping in any organized sense.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at August 06, 2024 04:41 PM (Yu+Ga)

John MacArthur would disagree with you (I know… I’m making a fallacious appeal to authority)…. He did an exegesis of Romans 13 quite carefully during the pandemic when California was trying to shut his church down. He concludes quite rightfully IMO that Hebrews 10:25 is still operative

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 06, 2024 04:50 PM (dTIZ+)

222 Which book is sola scriptura in?

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 06, 2024 04:44 PM (U8kCF)
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LOL. That *is* a good point.

Posted by: Axeman at August 06, 2024 04:50 PM (krQz2)

223 A friend tells the story of one of her friends who received a call from one of these pro-abortion groups soliciting a donation. This lady's response was to tell the person on the other end of the phone that, "Any group that kills so many black children" was A-OK in her opinion, then she asked what the maximum donation was to get rid of as many of them as possible.

Stunned silence at the other end.

Never got any more phone calls from any of those organizations....🤣🤣🤣

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies' Brigade plucky comic relief at August 06, 2024 04:51 PM (SRRAx)

224 I used to say it will be illegal to be Catholic in my kids' lifetime. Now its in mine.
Posted by: teh Wind at August 06, 2024 04:49 PM (l+V04)

***

Well... They're weird

Posted by: Tim Walz at August 06, 2024 04:51 PM (1FWWQ)

225 It is insane but we treat protesting an abortion clinic as worse then murder in some jurisdictions.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 06, 2024 04:51 PM (oZhjI)

226 Yeah, but it's Will Ferrell so...

Posted by: wth at August 06, 2024 04:51 PM (v0R5T)

227 What better fate than to be persecuted for your religious conviction?

We should all be so lucky as to suffer for Christ.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at August 06, 2024 04:52 PM (Yu+Ga)

228 I used to say it will be illegal to be Catholic in my kids' lifetime. Now its in mine.
Posted by: teh Wind

Or to be Christian in general. Eventually, even the liberal Protestants will be anathematized. Because they don't adhere to wokeism/Satanism/Religion of Pieces. And their vociferous protestations to the contrary will avail them naught.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:52 PM (v6JzV)

229 I think one of the ones the reformers removed.

They were unrecognized books by the Jewish establishment which the reformers adopted. I've always found that amusing, the same people often dislike the jews and the catholics, but share the same scriptural affections.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 06, 2024 04:53 PM (U8kCF)

230 I have often wondered if Romans 13 applies to a Republic.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 06, 2024 04:54 PM (aD39U)

231 Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas t August 06, 2024 04:51 PM

Oh, that's awesome!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:54 PM (v6JzV)

232 Yeah, but it's Will Ferrell so...
Posted by: wth at August 06, 2024 04:51 PM (v0R5T)
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I'm an unrepentant fan of Ferrell.

Not *everything* he does. Because he has made some clunkers. But the high points.

Posted by: Axeman at August 06, 2024 04:54 PM (krQz2)

233 Never got any more phone calls from any of those organizations....🤣🤣🤣
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies' Brigade plucky comic relief at August 06, 2024 04:51 PM (SRRAx)

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That is hilarious.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 06, 2024 04:54 PM (DRSnL)

234 Infiltrate an institution
Kill it, gut it
Wear its skin as a suit
Demand respect
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Yeah. Sounds like the various churches, and many other orgs. That's spook stuff, going way, way back before most of us were born.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 06, 2024 04:54 PM (JGGiW)

235 This hurts my heart and soul.

It's frightening to see how much evil has infiltrated the minds of so many people.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 06, 2024 04:55 PM (NpAcC)

236 >>>Conspiracy Against Rights

Who was it here who was trying to push similar against DOJ/FBI injustices?

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 06, 2024 04:55 PM (i24o9)

237 Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 06, 2024 04:55 PM (i24o9)

=====

Hey, you!

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 06, 2024 04:56 PM (DRSnL)

238 I have often wondered if Romans 13 applies to a Republic.

We live in a usurped Republic. The depots holding the nominal elected positions have no moral authority.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 06, 2024 04:56 PM (oZhjI)

239 Or to be Christian in general. Eventually, even the liberal Protestants will be anathematized. Because they don't adhere to wokeism/Satanism/Religion of Pieces. And their vociferous protestations to the contrary will avail them naught.

I live next door to the last Episcopagan Seminary. All lesbian, all blm, all Ukraine all writing articles on how Jesus probably wasn't divine. They're more woke than the haters and happily roll over.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 06, 2024 04:56 PM (U8kCF)

240 The Apochrypha? Not in the MT of the Hebrew Bible, therefore not Scripture.

Sorry, I try not to argue religion here, but that's where I stand.

Those books are still good to read as intertestamental history, and just good Jewish storytelling. But they aren't Scripture.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 04:57 PM (v6JzV)

241 Fascism

Posted by: tubal at August 06, 2024 04:57 PM (PCK5/)

242 >If they put him in jail, Trump will have turnout numbers bigger than anyone could ever imagine
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but he'll be in jail
they don't want Trump to be President again, right?
the door is wide open to send him to jail next month
it's right there on the table- all they have to do is pick it up and use it
why wouldn't they?

Posted by: Don Black at August 06, 2024 04:57 PM (/7KEl)

243 I have often wondered if Romans 13 applies to a Republic.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 06, 2024 04:54 PM (aD39U)
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I would argue it does not. We are self-governed.

Per, I would also argue, God's plan. Even though, I no longer believe that a republic is any revelation from the mind of God.

Instead it was an instrument to show us what can be done with fair-mindedness and meekness and other Godly behaviors. Thus the blessings of God through Jesus Christ, and inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

It just refuses to happen on Man's timeline. (For God's longsuffering patience with us--for God knows what reason!)

Posted by: Axeman at August 06, 2024 04:57 PM (krQz2)

244 My prediction is Trump will be booked an Rykers, but within 6 hours a judge will overrule

Posted by: Skip at August 06, 2024 04:58 PM (fwDg9)

245 Hey, you!

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 06, 2024 04:56 PM (DRSnL)

Crap, I've been spotted.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 06, 2024 04:59 PM (i24o9)

246 John MacArthur would disagree with you (I know… I’m making a fallacious appeal to authority)…. He did an exegesis of Romans 13 quite carefully during the pandemic when California was trying to shut his church down. He concludes quite rightfully IMO that Hebrews 10:25 is still operative

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 06, 2024 04:50 PM (dTIZ+)

That really would be quite an ironic refutation.

I think John MacArthur is fantastic. But if truth is known merely by reading Scripture and following the guidance of the Holy Spirit in your understanding, then reading as MacArthur has would hold no more authority than if a milquetoast non-denom preacher told his flock that they must shut down. And how would we determine who was correct, if both are claiming Scripture is drawing different conclusions and both claim to be guided by the Spirit.

This is why I say the traditions of the church and the lives of the saints also influence our understanding, not just Scripture alone.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at August 06, 2024 04:59 PM (Yu+Ga)

247 230 I have often wondered if Romans 13 applies to a Republic.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 06, 2024 04:54 PM (aD39U)

Romans 13… the Bible was written FOR us, but not TO us. Are unjust laws to be obeyed in all cases?

Posted by: tubal at August 06, 2024 05:00 PM (PCK5/)

248 My prediction is Trump will be booked an Rykers, but within 6 hours a judge will overrule

And that if he wins we will still get legions of articles from the FNM that imprisoning your political opponents even if they did commit real crimes is still wrong.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 06, 2024 05:00 PM (oZhjI)

249 Fascism
Posted by: tubal at August 06, 2024 04:57 PM (PCK5/)
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Exactly, where the government becomes the will of everything "The People" do together.

Then it's not simply laws, but recruitment into a program, that does not acknowledge God if the masses and the people in power think that's frivolous.

Fascism has a "Babelian" dynamic that makes it's enterprise more part of Man's hubris and destruction than Man's improvement.

Posted by: Axeman at August 06, 2024 05:00 PM (krQz2)

250 Never got any more phone calls from any of those organizations....

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Omg, that is an awesome response! What a slam.

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 06, 2024 05:00 PM (mupln)

251 Crap, I've been spotted.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 06, 2024 04:59 PM (i24o9)

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Serpentine!

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 06, 2024 05:00 PM (DRSnL)

252 My prediction is Trump will be booked an Rykers, but within 6 hours a judge will overrule
Posted by: Skip

In the before times, I would've laughed and asked how they expected to separate the Secret Service from President Trump. Now? It would barely be an inconvenience.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at August 06, 2024 05:01 PM (ZHVrD)

253
We can not possibly have a felon as Commander in Chief.

Just getting you ready for the the next 3 months.

Posted by: Auspex at August 06, 2024 05:01 PM (j4U/Z)

254 Nood.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at August 06, 2024 05:02 PM (PiwSw)

255 I have often wondered if Romans 13 applies to a Republic.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 06, 2024 04:54 PM (aD39U)
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I would argue it does not. We are self-governed.

Per, I would also argue, God's plan. Even though, I no longer believe that a republic is any revelation from the mind of God.

Instead it was an instrument to show us what can be done with fair-mindedness and meekness and other Godly behaviors. Thus the blessings of God through Jesus Christ, and inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

It just refuses to happen on Man's timeline. (For God's longsuffering patience with us--for God knows what reason!)
Posted by: Axeman at August 06, 2024 04:57 PM (krQz2)

I would argue it only applies to governments that are actually performing the functions described in Romans 13; namely, punishing evil and rewarding good. Our current government happens to be doing exactly the opposite (alas)

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 06, 2024 05:02 PM (jSZ9s)

256 >>>This lady's response was to tell the person on the other end of the phone that, "Any group that kills so many black children" was A-OK in her opinion, then she asked what the maximum donation was to get rid of as many of them as possible.

So she was honest about her racism?

Posted by: Deep State Covfefe at August 06, 2024 05:02 PM (qkLZk)

257 Posted by: Jordan61 at August 06, 2024 05:00 PM (DRSnL)

lol

How's things?

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 06, 2024 05:02 PM (i24o9)

258 Conspiracy against rights law... now do fucking Covid.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 06, 2024 05:03 PM (xaFKb)

259 Flounder!

Long time no see! Hope y'all are staying cool out there.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 06, 2024 05:03 PM (+KJ2T)

260 I would argue it only applies to governments that are actually performing the functions described in Romans 13; namely, punishing evil and rewarding good. Our current government happens to be doing exactly the opposite (alas)

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 06, 2024 05:02 PM (jSZ9s)
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Yes, there is a good argument that if it becomes obvious that the government is performing for deleterious ends, that the argument that it is obvious is equal to the argument that it has forfeited its role.

Posted by: Axeman at August 06, 2024 05:04 PM (krQz2)

261 Idk, the same bishops who put together the Nicean Creed also decided on scriptural Canon in 351. I'm going with 351 closer to Apostles than Luther.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 06, 2024 05:04 PM (U8kCF)

262 Cool, but sweaty.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 06, 2024 05:04 PM (i24o9)

263 Conspiracy against rights law... now do fucking Covid.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 06, 2024 05:03 PM (xaFKb)
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On the nose!.

But it's (D)ifferent.

Posted by: Axeman at August 06, 2024 05:04 PM (krQz2)

264 Yes, there is a good argument that if it becomes obvious that the government is performing for deleterious ends, that the argument that it is obvious is equal to the argument that it has forfeited its role.

Catechism of CC agrees

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at August 06, 2024 05:05 PM (U8kCF)

265 ‘When, in the course of time…..

Complete this well-known Declaration.

Posted by: Eromero at August 06, 2024 05:12 PM (LHPAg)

266 If Albert Fish and John Wayne Gacy ran a national political party it couldn't love child murder more than Democrats.

Posted by: Sifty at August 06, 2024 05:16 PM (VHrZW)

267 Oh and apparently, Tim Walz doesn't actually live in Minnesota, his real house is in South Dakota.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 07, 2024 07:52 AM (XV/Pl)

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