A Political Enigma in Utah

Antelope Island, Great Salt Lake

Why did Utah choose both Mike Lee and Spencer Cox?

There are a lot of questions about politics in America that are hard to answer. To me, one of the more striking current mysteries is how the people of Utah could elect someone like Senator Mike Lee, who routinely issues conservative policy statements with some clarity, while also electing someone like Spencer Cox (He/Him) as governor.

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Choosing Spencer Cox

The last time we saw Spencer Cox's name appear in a post here at AoSHQ, it was in J.J. Sefton's Morning Report of 4/29. Cox had been beaten out at the Utah State Republican Convention by Trump-aligned Phil Lyman. By a very significant margin.

But there was a catch.

Cox, however, gathered enough signatures to make it onto the primary ballot, according to Utah Republican Party bylaws and Utah state law. Specifically, Utah’s gubernatorial candidates must receive at least 28,000 certified signatures in order to qualify for the primary ballot or surpass the 60% threshold at the state convention. Cox received 28,006 certified signatures, according to the Utah state government website.

People at the convention were not happy with Cox. They were noisy about it. Some people thought the noise level was too high.

But Cox later won the primary election.

Cox does some things that are conservative, but he also promotes a lot of progressive policies. He famously said that he labeled himself as "he/him" in hopes that it would make one young person with an unusual gender identity feel more comfortable.

He gets enthusiastic about a lot of idealistic, sort of utopian big government and public/private projects that seem to lack input from the "little people".

Cox has a big program going to train people to "Disagree Better". Since this program seems to have gone multi-state, I tried to find a written summary of the steps to "disagreeing better", but the website seemed to want to send you through a sample training program instead.

If you are unfamiliar with Spencer Cox, here he is. This video makes my skin crawl, though I have seen other videos of him speaking to which I did not have such a negative reaction:

An example of a successful outcome of the "disagreeing better" program in Utah that I read about online was a rural white conservative man helping a liberal black city woman with some government-involved project she wanted to complete. Don't remember the details. But I didn't see where the rural white conservative guy got anything that he had wanted. I thought that this was probably typical of the results of "disagreeing better".

Bennett's Phylactery is not impressed with Cox. Response in the thread: "The results of his actions / policies are objectively evil but at least he's nice about it".

Incisive Analysis from within The Horde

On Thursday, frequent commenter bonhomme wrote this on one of the threads here:

"Utah Gov. Cox (“R” who put his pronouns in his bio) says he wants his party to win but won’t be voting for Trump."

Over the past few years, I have been sending information from time to time to people (mostly in the West) involved in the struggle to keep the left from overwhelming our educational system. I thought that the people of Utah already knew what bonhomme wrote above, but I was impressed by what he wrote next and I sent it to a woman who has been through the fire. She posted it, crediting "a blog commenter", on her social media.

Bonhomme has received well over 200 "likes", and no nasty faces, on the assessment below:

Utah's a weird place. It was a sparsely populated state for a long time. In the last 30 years or so, a significant number of leftists escaping leftist holes have moved there. Additionally, a lot of the old guard Mormons there desperately want to be accepted by the rest of the world. ProgMos are quickly taking over.
Cox is a squishy ProgMo who has made his past of being bullied a big part of his identity and his policies. He reflexively identifies with people who sell themselves as victims, which makes him easily rolled by Marxian ideology which uses this pathology to gain leverage over the normal majority.

There was a lot of enthusiastic agreement with bonhomme in the comments, and a couple of comments from people who had somewhat differing opinions. A sampling:

Well that's spot on.

I never knew his past. Yet he always struck me as some one who got picked on as a kid! Now he is drunk on power and wants everyone to agree with he/him!

That describes him perfectly and you see ProgMos everywhere!

Wow! Masterfully described!

I agree with the explanation of Cox, but have a slightly different take on the ProgMo. My observation is that Utah is full of some really nice people who are dangerously naive. They are trusting to a fault. When they hear a candidate explain a proposal/issue/program using terms like "loving", "kind" or "compassionate" they're all for it. Never mind even a cursory review that would show it to be something completely the opposite.

Sadly, I feel this is inaccurate. I think his decision-making is far darker and more sinister than this comment would lead one to believe. He’s not just a sad, picked on story. He comes from a family of deep pockets. Let that sink in for a minute.

Bonhomme has elicited quite a bit of interesting thought there, plus some concerns about what conservatives should do next about the governor's race and dealing with the governor and state legislature for the next few years.

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Utah also chose Senator Mike Lee

Here's a recent Twitter thread by Mike Lee that I thought was very cogent and worthy of analysis, particularly in contrast to most of the other political dialog going on recently:

I’m glad that particular catastrophe hasn’t materialized.

I’m more concerned about the catastrophe being set up by climate alarmists—which will impoverish millions and harm the standard of living dramatically worldwide, including and especially in the U.S.#Catastrophizing
🧵1/ https://t.co/Z64Fs4XFnW
— Mike Lee (@BasedMikeLee) July 9, 2024

Check out the questions about China down-thread.

I'm an outsider, but it seems to me that Utah made a good choice in Mike Lee.

He serves as a stark contrast to Spencer Cox.

Are there any similar contrasts in state-wide elected officials your state?

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California Update - A Bad, Bad Immigrant

Too close to us for comfort:

REEDLEY, Calif. (KFSN) -- The man facing a federal three-count indictment for allegedly running an illegal lab in Reedley has filed several motions in court.
One is asking that he be addressed by his American name in his upcoming criminal trial.

This is a gutsy guy. Storing and manipulating multiple deadly biohazards in a warehouse is just the beginning of his crimes.

I think he should be addressed by BOTH his Chinese name and his American alias, so it will be easier to track crimes he committed in other parts of the USA and in Canada.

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Weekend Musing

10 concepts (from Ancient Rome) that explain the modern world:

1. The Tacitus Razor: “If you want to know who controls you, see who you’re not allowed to criticize.” This is how comedians accidently reveal a society's hierarchy—they call everyone naked, and soon discover who the… pic.twitter.com/ApBItEsL41
— Jash Dholani (@oldbooksguy) July 11, 2024

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Music

Why don't you do right?

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Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

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Last week's thread, July 6, Who failed to position Kamala Harris for success? George Floyd!

Comments are closed so you won't ban yourself by trying to comment on a week-old thread. But don't try it anyway.

Posted by: K.T. at 11:01 AM

Comments

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1 A Political Enigma in Utah

Anybody else read that as 'Political Enema' at first glance?

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at July 13, 2024 11:05 AM (QGaXH)

2 Holy Cow! We're number 1! We're number 1 ! We're number 1!

Going to be insufferable the rest of the day.....

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at July 13, 2024 11:06 AM (QGaXH)

3 Spencer Cox is a saboteur.

Posted by: Jamaica at July 13, 2024 11:06 AM (GfN2c)

4 Good morning KT

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 11:07 AM (fwDg9)

5 Spencer Cox... that lilt in his voice... I'm thinkin' that name isn't just a name, it's a preference regarding what he puts in his anus.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 11:07 AM (GG4JB)

6 Ok where is everybody? Out having a real life I guess....we'll coffee's ready so....bye!

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at July 13, 2024 11:07 AM (QGaXH)

7 Cox is just the kind of slippery RINO swine that need to be thrown from office. They infest to Old Guard GOP who run State Parties, and must be dragged kicking and screaming from their comfy sinecures. Cleaning out the RINO scum will take time, but it is intensely rewarding to see them leaving in shame.

Posted by: Brewingfrog at July 13, 2024 11:08 AM (2OSoR)

8 Utah...should be a bombing range.

Posted by: BignJames at July 13, 2024 11:08 AM (AwYPR)

9 I'm an outsider, but it seems to me that Utah made a good choice in Mike Lee.

He serves as a stark contrast to Spencer Cox.

Are there any similar contrasts in state-wide elected officials your state?

Virginia has Youngkin as governor and Kaine and Warner as senators.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 13, 2024 11:08 AM (xCA6C)

10 Utah of today is definitely not your father’s Utah. Salt Lake City is as left wing as any other blue city shithole. They had a lesbian mayor for a while.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 11:09 AM (i+Y/j)

11 Are there any similar contrasts in state-wide elected officials your state?

Jim Clyburn..in his gerrymandered, affirmative action district.

Posted by: BignJames at July 13, 2024 11:11 AM (AwYPR)

12 Old Benny looks like has a yearning for Peggy in that picture. The song is one of my favorites.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 13, 2024 11:11 AM (xCA6C)

13 I put Spencer as a dreamer, or idiot, Marxists don't care about his side of anything

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 11:11 AM (fwDg9)

14 Utah...should be a bombing range.
Posted by: BignJames at July 13, 2024 11:08 AM (AwYPR)

Utah is a uniquely rugged and beautiful state. What it should be is preserved as a natural wonder.

Kick all the people out.

If you need a place to bomb, may I suggest that list of the "ten best" cities in the previous thread.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 11:12 AM (GG4JB)

15 Are there any similar contrasts in state-wide elected officials your state?

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Not my state but a great example is
Ohio. JD Vance and Sherod Brown are both senators. Figure that one out.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 11:12 AM (i+Y/j)

16 Utah has some massive mineral wealth.
Burried under red tape and monuments.

Posted by: Reforger at July 13, 2024 11:14 AM (xcIvR)

17 Not my state but a great example is
Ohio. JD Vance and Sherod Brown are both senators. Figure that one out.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 11:12 AM (i+Y/j)

Politicians are all assholes. The ones that are "good" are just assholes who lean in directions a number of people agree with, but that doesn't mean they're any less assholish than the ones who lean the other way.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 11:16 AM (GG4JB)

18 Utah has some massive mineral wealth.
Burried under red tape and monuments.
Posted by: Reforger at July 13, 2024 11:14 AM (xcIvR)

And that "wealth" should stay right where it is.

Dig elsewhere. You have 49 other states to destroy.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 11:17 AM (GG4JB)

19 I've seen this about a hundred and fifty-seven times and it just keeps getting funnier every time I see it. Goes to YouTube shorts.

https://tinyurl.com/273ne7m9

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at July 13, 2024 11:18 AM (pIfcn)

20 Utah is also a one-party state, outside of Salt Lake City (which has already had its first lesbian mayor).

ProgMos like Cox “compete” with conservative Republicans for the same seats, as wolves in sheep’s clothing.

And the common naïveté of Utahns lets it happen.

That’s what the anger at the state GOP convention was about.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at July 13, 2024 11:18 AM (M7/c0)

21 Not my state but a great example is
Ohio. JD Vance and Sherod Brown are both senators. Figure that one out.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 11:12 AM (i+Y/j)

For the old timers....we had Ernest Hollings and Strom Thurmond...but they really weren't that different.

Posted by: BignJames at July 13, 2024 11:18 AM (AwYPR)

22 And Marxists will run over Kum Bye Yah his ass first

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 11:19 AM (fwDg9)

23 10 concepts (from Ancient Rome) that explain the modern world:

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Those damn Christ-killing Romans may have been on to something.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at July 13, 2024 11:19 AM (L/fGl)

24 thanks for your threads KT!

Spendsfor Cox? $20 same as in town?

Posted by: haffhowershower at July 13, 2024 11:20 AM (NMT5x)

25 Probably being too mean to someone I don't know from Adam and has no bearing on me

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 11:21 AM (fwDg9)

26 Good morning KT.
Hope the Valley temps are treating you right.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 11:22 AM (31DNF)

27 It's a gene defect thing.

Posted by: Moroni at July 13, 2024 11:22 AM (/U5Yz)

28 Unrelated, I heard late that Arec Bawwin is a free man.

I read as much as I could about what happened. It was fixed. The case was tossed on a technicality, over a bullshit claim.

Onward goes the two tier "justice" system.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 11:22 AM (GG4JB)

29 Cox and Mittens, Utah is and has been confused for a long time.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 11:22 AM (31DNF)

30 Bilwus looks Polish

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 11:23 AM (fwDg9)

31 Hello Jamaica!

Your nic reminded of something last week at work. I was trying to use a tool made in Jamaica, NY. The Shore company.

Posted by: haffhowershower at July 13, 2024 11:26 AM (NMT5x)

32 The man facing a federal three-count indictment for allegedly running an illegal lab in Reedley has filed several motions in court.
One is asking that he be addressed by his American name in his upcoming criminal trial.

It would be interesting to know if he is receiving outside funding for his legal defense.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 13, 2024 11:27 AM (uxCna)

33
Sooo, the takeaway is that Utah likes Cox?

Posted by: naturalfake at July 13, 2024 11:30 AM (eDfFs)

34 If you want some cheering up, here's a wonderful Politico article for you.

‘It’s over’: Democrats remain in panic over Biden’s reelection

They are so screwed.

https://tinyurl.com/crvbzeyx

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 13, 2024 11:30 AM (uxCna)

35
Honestly, it's hard to complain about Utah liking Cox so much when-

here in Texas we keep electing John Fucking Cornyn.
He probably likes Cox, too!

Posted by: naturalfake at July 13, 2024 11:32 AM (eDfFs)

36 Here in Kentucky we've got a leftist, commie asshole governor (Beshear) and uniparty, worthless shit weasel McConnell.

Then there's Rand Paul. I'm ambivalent about him.

House reps are a mixed bag, depending on where in the state their district sits.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 13, 2024 11:32 AM (Q4IgG)

37 I suspect Utah is in the process of being Californicated

Beautiful state though, spectacular scenery
spared no expense

Posted by: Don Black has been to Utah at July 13, 2024 11:33 AM (/7KEl)

38 My state has scum at all levels.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at July 13, 2024 11:33 AM (3Fz6p)

39 These are the comments before the comments I'll make later

Posted by: Don Black has been to Utah at July 13, 2024 11:33 AM (/7KEl)

40 Cox and Mittens, Utah is and has been confused for a long time.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 11:22 AM (31DNF)

Dum dum dum dum dum:

https://tinyurl.com/vym93nau

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 11:33 AM (R2uDs)

41 Mmm. Burt, the prosecution themselves admitted to burying potential evidence under a different case name to hide it after she said that she "had never heard of it" on the stand. No way to get around that. It will also spring the Armorer too I bet..

Posted by: catman at July 13, 2024 11:34 AM (4HMlb)

42 Part of this is people don’t pay attention. Most people are LIVs. They dont get involved in primary elections. They just think guy has R next to his name he must be conservative. Hence the Mittens and Coxes of the world keep getting elected in conservative-ish states.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 11:35 AM (i+Y/j)

43 If you want some cheering up, here's a wonderful Politico article for you.

More Politico articles:

Democrats’ Foremost Expert on Party Rules Explains How Biden Could Be Replaced

Inside Biden’s sputtering campaign to restore Dems’ confidence

Connecticut’s Lamont appears to become first governor to turn on Biden

Biden’s union wall is showing strains as questions swirl about his candidacy

24 former Dem lawmakers to Biden: Allow an open convention

The number of Democrats urging Biden to drop out grows to nearly 20

It's a wonderful Saturday morning!

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 13, 2024 11:36 AM (uxCna)

44 >Utah’s gubernatorial candidates must receive at least 28,000 certified signatures in order to qualify ..... Cox received 28,006

riiiight
wow- lucky he got that six, huh
yeah

Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 11:36 AM (/7KEl)

45 38 My state has scum at all levels.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight

Pennsylvania by chance?

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 13, 2024 11:36 AM (NFX2v)

46 Utah is going the way of Colorado and Arizona. That is what we are seeing.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 13, 2024 11:38 AM (3wi/L)

47 I suspect Utah is in the process of being Californicated

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Been happening for the past 25 years. Along with mucho mucho levels illegals and “refugees” from Africa. SLC is the new Denver.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 11:38 AM (i+Y/j)

48 Biennial:

Matthew McConaughey teases possible run for office

Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 11:38 AM (/7KEl)

49 44 >Utah’s gubernatorial candidates must receive at least 28,000 certified signatures in order to qualify ..... Cox received 28,006

riiiight
wow- lucky he got that six, huh
yeah
Posted
Yeah, those were stuck together by a wad of gum.

Posted by: Eromero at July 13, 2024 11:38 AM (XO6ig)

50 Mormons also gave us Harry Reid and the Udall family.

Posted by: Wally at July 13, 2024 11:39 AM (7NtEI)

51 My state has scum at all levels.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight

Pennsylvania by chance?
Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 13, 2024 11:36 AM (NFX2v)
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Oregon.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at July 13, 2024 11:39 AM (3Fz6p)

52 The Herbert/Soros/Cox machine brought in every form of vote cheating known to man. So. unfortunately Cox gets to count the votes.

Posted by: ck at July 13, 2024 11:40 AM (nMOLw)

53 I'm sure this will not be well-received, but Utah is about 60 percent Mormon, and anywhere majority Mormon is gonna be weird. Mormons are not nearly as conservative as sometimes assumed, and even when they are conservative, they often have idiosyncratic views on some subjects (like immigration). They make fine neighbors in general, but I would not want to live somewhere where they are in the saddle.

Posted by: Inveterate Mitt Romney Hater at July 13, 2024 11:40 AM (F/oxI)

54 Mmm. Burt, the prosecution themselves admitted to burying potential evidence under a different case name to hide it after she said that she "had never heard of it" on the stand. No way to get around that. It will also spring the Armorer too I bet..
Posted by: catman at July 13, 2024 11:34 AM (4HMlb)

Yes, everyone was involved in the op.

Including whoever decided some guy showing up with ammo, claiming it was the ammo that was used on set, was all designed to spring a connected mob member.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 11:41 AM (U60CB)

55 Thanks KT. The Utah theme has a connection of sorts with the hobby thread theme coming later today...(no, not polygamy).

Posted by: TRex at July 13, 2024 11:42 AM (IQ6Gq)

56 Colorado is gone.
Arizona is gone-ish.
Next up for the locusts is Utah, Montana and Idaho. Montana and Idaho are sparsely populated so it doesn’t take a lot of Californians and other scum to turn it. Boise is already deep blue.

The entire Mountain west will be blue within a generation. The last holdout will be Wyoming. For some reason the left doesn’t want anything to do with it other than Jackson.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 11:42 AM (i+Y/j)

57 Grand Canyon Kills Again

Hiker found dead at most dangerous national park in America

Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 11:43 AM (/7KEl)

58 30 Bilwus looks Polish
Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 11:23 AM (fwDg9)

Comments there say Sweden. I have no clue. I am embarrassed the pro Hamas shiteweasel seems to be US or Canadian.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at July 13, 2024 11:45 AM (pIfcn)

59 Grand Canyon Kills Again

Hiker found dead at most dangerous national park in America
Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 11:43 AM (/7KEl)

Metaphorically speaking, GC kills people the same way guns do.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 11:45 AM (U60CB)

60 "Climate Change Catastrophes"

What a crock of crap.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 13, 2024 11:45 AM (W/lyH)

61 Matthew McConaughey teases possible run for office
Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 11:38 AM (/7KEl)

All right all right all right.

I saw a speech he gave to some kids telling them don’t be a victim. That’s a shitty way to go though life. He’s not all bad.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 11:45 AM (i+Y/j)

62 > The entire Mountain west will be blue within a generation.
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Makes one wonder who's really the majority... between liberal and conservative leanings. The left seems to be on quite a tear.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 13, 2024 11:46 AM (Q4IgG)

63 Grand canyon kills people, like spoons and forks make people fat.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 11:46 AM (i+Y/j)

64 I move we rename the Grand Canyon into Darwin Park.

Posted by: Wally at July 13, 2024 11:48 AM (7NtEI)

65 Makes one wonder who's really the majority... between liberal and conservative leanings. The left seems to be on quite a tear.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 13, 2024 11:46 AM (Q4IgG)

Importing 10 million illiterate peasants into the country every year helps. As does controlling media and education.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 11:48 AM (i+Y/j)

66 62
'Makes one wonder who's really the majority... between liberal and conservative leanings. The left seems to be on quite a tear.'

It makes me wonder how much of their 'majority' there is ballot box stuffing. If it's less than 20 % I'll kiss your butt.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 13, 2024 11:49 AM (3wi/L)

67
So the Pope sends out an urgent call to all the Catholics. Cardinals, Bishops, Arch Bishops...the lot. Gather in ROME!!!
And so they come...tens of thousands of Catholics gather in Rome. The Pope comes out on the balcony and announces: "I have good news and bad news.
The good news is Christ has returned!"
The crowd goes wild! Bells ring, Men and women weep with joy! Children shout.
The Pope holds up his hands for quiet. "The bad news is he is in Salt Lake City."

Posted by: Diogenes at July 13, 2024 11:51 AM (W/lyH)

68 >Makes one wonder who's really the majority... between liberal and conservative leanings. The left seems to be on quite a tear.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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I think they are more motivated- 'by any means necessary' is a pretty clear mission statement

Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 11:51 AM (/7KEl)

69 One of my pet peeves is a link with no clues as to its content. Is it music? Is it a funny happening? Political? Give me a clue or I usually don't open the link as it might have no interest to me or even be NSFW.

Posted by: Ciampino - Sat Update #21 at July 13, 2024 11:53 AM (qfLjt)

70 RIP Dr Ruth

Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 11:53 AM (/7KEl)

71 Grand Canyon Kills Again

Hiker found dead at most dangerous national park in America
Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 11:43 AM (/7KEl)

Pfft.

Hold my pyroclastic flow.

Posted by: The Yellowstone Caldera at July 13, 2024 11:54 AM (vYDwg)

72 I wonder if she was at the Grand Canyon, America's most murderous chasm

Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 11:54 AM (/7KEl)

73 Utah...should be a bombing range.
Posted by: BignJames at July 13, 2024 11:08 AM (AwYPR)

Well, they store a lot of crap there...Dugway Proving Grounds.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 13, 2024 11:54 AM (W/lyH)

74 Grand canyon kills people, like spoons and forks make people fat.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 11:46 AM (i+Y/j)

It kills people, the same way conservative Supreme Court Justices cause whores to have to cross state lines to have abortions.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 11:55 AM (G3BXH)

75 I think they are more motivated- 'by any means necessary' is a pretty clear mission statement
Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 11:51 AM (/7KEl)

Absolutely.

Every election I am bombarded by left wing activists to go vote. Do I need help? Do I need a a ride? Do I know where my polling station is? And people coming to my door (I never answer) to give me campaign literature. They practically force me to go vote, lol.

There is never anywhere near this much effort from the other side.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 11:56 AM (i+Y/j)

76 64 I move we rename the Grand Canyon into Darwin Park.
Posted by: Wally at July 13, 2024 11:48 AM (7NtEI)

Hillary Clinton National Park

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 13, 2024 11:57 AM (vYDwg)

77 sorry- I'm thread-jacking

Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 11:57 AM (/7KEl)

78 The Pope holds up his hands for quiet. "The bad news is he is in Salt Lake City."
Posted by: Diogenes at July 13, 2024 11:51 AM (W/lyH)

Another classic South Park episode has the epic battle of good v. evil, the Archangel Michael (I think it was Michael?) is telling everyone who was wondering who was right...

"It's the Mormons. The Mormons."

Then goes on and sniffs the marker he's using to write on the poster board.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 11:59 AM (G3BXH)

79 In 2012 I got a robocall on election day wanting to know if I voted. I listened to the recording and punched the numbers indicating I was an 18-25 year old black female democrat who was unsure of who to vote for. LOL

My phone rang in about 2 seconds after hanging up.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 13, 2024 11:59 AM (9mQ3m)

80 Burt, I tend to lean on Occam's Razor a little more than you do. The Mob generally goes out of its way to protect you from repercussions while doing Mob business. Not stupidity. And you will grant me the idea that Baldwin is a Mob hitman is a little far-fetched.
So, I believe the prosecution is sloppy and corrupt. Easier sell...

Posted by: catman at July 13, 2024 11:59 AM (4HMlb)

81 We need common sense national park control. Nobody NEEDS an assault canyon. Those are canyons of war and have no business existing in a civilized society.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 12:00 PM (i+Y/j)

82 I tell you this: the Grand Canyon will kill again
it's only a matter of time

Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 12:01 PM (/7KEl)

83 Grand Canyon Kills Again

Hiker found dead at most dangerous national park in America
Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 11:43 AM (/7KEl)

Historically, that's true.

A lot of pioneer types disappeared within never to be seen again.

Once on a visit to Vegas with the delightful and hitting on 16 Mrs naturalfake,

we took a helicopter flight over the Grand Canyon.

Wholley Kau! in some areas the cliffs and giant boulders and such form an insane looking maze. No water close-by either.

Chances are pretty good that if you're some goofy shmoe hiking to "touch grass", you're gonna touch Death if you go in the wrong place without water, experience, GPS, compass and a great map.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 13, 2024 12:03 PM (eDfFs)

84 Was napping

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 12:03 PM (fwDg9)

85 I'm very pro mining. The entire world is what it is due to people digging in the dirt. To leave mineral wealth in the dirt is to simply save it for those willing to go after it later.
As in the army invading you for your untapped mineral wealth.

Posted by: Reforger at July 13, 2024 12:04 PM (xcIvR)

86 We need a $700 million study into why the Grand Canyon is so bloodthirsty. And does the canyon target people of color and transgender disproportionally?

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 12:04 PM (i+Y/j)

87 Another classic South Park episode has the epic battle of good v. evil, the Archangel Michael (I think it was Michael?) is telling everyone who was wondering who was right...

"It's the Mormons. The Mormons."

Then goes on and sniffs the marker he's using to write on the poster board.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 11:59 AM (G3BXH)

No, it was "the hell director" who names it: "I'm afraid it was the Mormons. The Mormons was the correct answer."

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 12:04 PM (J4UmJ)

88 When we were still in South Africa but planning our return Stateside, my late wife and I (both Conservatives) had 3 general locations earmarked as places to settle: Colorado, Washington State and Oregon. One was vistas. We both loved mountains (for viewing, not so much for climbing - copter okay!) and two, we hated hot, humid weather. Well we didn't make it. Family was in Illinois and you know how that sometimes goes.

Posted by: Ciampino - Sat Update #22 at July 13, 2024 12:05 PM (qfLjt)

89 No, the Grand Canyon is an indiscriminate killer. Its savage bloodlust extends to all living things, but mostly to people too old and out of shape to venture below the rim

Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 12:06 PM (/7KEl)

90 My guess is close to 100% of the canyon victims are upper middle class wypeepo. Those are the dumbasses who go hiking in dangerous areas like that.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 12:07 PM (i+Y/j)

91 Dr. Ruth Westheimer, the famous sex therapist and media personality, has passed away at the age of 96.

Posted by: SMOD at July 13, 2024 12:07 PM (GITLP)

92 Watched the Brigham Young movie starring Tyrone Power. Loved Power in everything he was ever in, but I was rooting for the locusts.

FJB!
FMormonSquishes!

Posted by: Mega MAGA Ultra! at July 13, 2024 12:07 PM (V5BDR)

93 The National Canyoneer's Association would like you to donate to protect Canyon lover's rights nationwide. Every state has a canyon that needs protection, from the small gorges to the Grand Canyon, the NCA needs your help!

Posted by: catman at July 13, 2024 12:09 PM (4HMlb)

94 Burt, I tend to lean on Occam's Razor a little more than you do. The Mob generally goes out of its way to protect you from repercussions while doing Mob business. Not stupidity. And you will grant me the idea that Baldwin is a Mob hitman is a little far-fetched.
So, I believe the prosecution is sloppy and corrupt. Easier sell...
Posted by: catman at July 13, 2024 11:59 AM (4HMlb)

You might need to recalculate your concept of who the mob is.

It's much much less these days, Italians in zoot suits, and much more Hollywood bigshots. And corporate media types, and leftist politicians, and university perfessers and administrators. Oh, and the Deep State.

There's your mob. Arec Bawwin is a lowlife nincompoop, but he's a prominent celebrity. Who evidently didn't piss anyone off the way Bill Cosby and P Diddy did.

Although I suppose the circumstances under which Cosby got his release are somewhat suspicious. Who did his people have to pay off, and while we're at it, why is no one talking about Diddy anymore? Did Diddy do what he needed to be accepted back into the good graces of the mob?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 12:10 PM (IA14X)

95 Deep red states that elect Cox’s and Romney’s (Utah) and DeWine’s (Ohio) and Laura Kelly (Kansas… who’s an actual Dem)…. Is one of my pet peeves. I don’t understand it….. reminds me when I was in college in Iowa (many years ago now) and the two senators from that state were Tom Harkin (liberal dem) and Chuck Grassley (yep and he’s still there)…. Two opposites elected by the same people.

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 13, 2024 12:10 PM (/BD4n)

96 Grand Canyon Kills Again

Hiker found dead at most dangerous national park in America
Posted by: Don Black

God didn't make them stupid they did it to themselves.
You can't fix stupid.

Now do any park with a cliff.
Here in AZ people hike mountains when it's 115F. They die.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 12:13 PM (KjscJ)

97 No, the Grand Canyon is an indiscriminate killer. Its savage bloodlust extends to all living things, but mostly to people too old and out of shape to venture below the rim
Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 12:06 PM (/7KEl)

Last time I was there, foreign tourists were everywhere, and not just the Chi Nah commies. Like locusts, and they would step out onto the ledges to take their pics.

I was rooting for the Canyon to swallow them up, but alas, the Canyon isn't as much of a killer as you suggest.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 12:13 PM (IA14X)

98 Dunno much about Utah politics but sure like Zion, Bryce, Moab, Capitol Reef, etc. Some of the most visually compelling places I've ever seen. Scale is hard to comprehend.

Posted by: TRex at July 13, 2024 12:14 PM (IQ6Gq)

99 Last time I was there, foreign tourists were everywhere, and not just the Chi Nah commies. Like locusts, and they would step out onto the ledges to take their pics.

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Because life isn't worth living without Instagram likes.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 13, 2024 12:14 PM (dDmld)

100 Last time I was there, foreign tourists were everywhere, and not just the Chi Nah commies. Like locusts, and they would step out onto the ledges to take their pics.

I was rooting for the Canyon to swallow them up, but alas, the Canyon isn't as much of a killer as you suggest.
Posted by: BurtTC

Same with Yellowstone. Hordes of foreigners walking right up to bison for selfies. I kept hoping for one of the bison to go postal. But alas, didn’t happen.

But remember, Americans are the ugly tourists. 🤨

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 12:16 PM (i+Y/j)

101 My guess is close to 100% of the canyon victims are upper middle class wypeepo. Those are the dumbasses who go hiking in dangerous areas like that.
Posted by: Biden is Finished

Really?
Do you have any idea who really falls or are you just parroting the current lib talking point: Only white people hike/fish/camp?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 12:18 PM (KjscJ)

102 Good morning, glad to be here. K.T. brings it, as usual. Big thanks.

Posted by: Braenyard, always late at July 13, 2024 12:18 PM (aNKhG)

103 Dunno much about Utah politics but sure like Zion, Bryce, Moab, Capitol Reef, etc. Some of the most visually compelling places I've ever seen. Scale is hard to comprehend.
Posted by: TRex

Bryce will be seen again in Aug.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 12:18 PM (KjscJ)

104 Wyoming, arguably the most conservative state in the country, elected a Democrat for governor in the 2000s. And the re-elected her.

It makes no sense. Slick marketing works on voters. Say the right catch phrase, west the right tie and people vote for you. Even as you destroy their livelihood and way of life.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 12:19 PM (i+Y/j)

105 Posted by: Its Not Complicated
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You know the way to the door. Use it.

Posted by: Braenyard, always late at July 13, 2024 12:20 PM (aNKhG)

106 Re elected him, not her in Wyoming. Although these days does it even matter? lol.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 12:20 PM (i+Y/j)

107 Always thoughtful. Thanks, K.T.

Eww. The deeply jealous child who manipulated adults to contain his rivals. He's neither brave or principled and will twist whatever way the wind blows. A progressive in actuality now; whatever it takes for a career 'in office.'

Many voters still choose peace v chaos, which is why PDT is always portrayed as irrational and chaotic by the progressives and it's difficult to flip the pearl clutching purple suburbs.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 13, 2024 12:20 PM (NFX2v)

108 alright then

Posted by: Don Black at July 13, 2024 12:22 PM (/7KEl)

109 I made it down and back and lived to talk about it

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 12:23 PM (fwDg9)

110
Watched the Brigham Young movie starring Tyrone Power. Loved Power in everything he was ever in, but I was rooting for the locusts.

FJB!
FMormonSquishes!
Posted by: Mega MAGA Ultra!

Vincent Price was Joseph Smith.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 13, 2024 12:23 PM (63Dwl)

111 voters still choose peace v chaos, which is why PDT is always portrayed as irrational and chaotic by the progressives and it's difficult to flip the pearl clutching purple suburbs.

Posted by: L

It cracked me up hearing leftists say every day I woke up and checked Twitter fearing what Trump said. It was so chaotic. I’m so glad those days are over.

No you fucking retard. Those chaotic days weren’t caused by Trump. You caused the chaos. I have no fucks what Trump tweeted. You were so engrossed in your TDS you created your own chaotic world that you fed off.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 12:25 PM (i+Y/j)

112 It makes no sense. Slick marketing works on voters. Say the right catch phrase, west the right tie and people vote for you. Even as you destroy their livelihood and way of life.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 12:19 PM (i+Y/j)

Agree. Either voters in some of these deep red states are stupid or easily manipulated… or both. Kentucky is yet another example. Rand Paul (good choice) but also McConnell and a Dem governor elected just recently. Boggles the mind….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 13, 2024 12:25 PM (/BD4n)

113 I put it to 50 years of Marxist indoctrination in Public Seminaries

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 12:26 PM (fwDg9)

114 Kentucky is yet another example. Rand Paul (good choice) but also McConnell and a Dem governor elected just recently. Boggles the mind….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

Not just elected but RE-elected. Same group of voters think hmm I like this Trump guy. Then 2 years later they think yeah I like this guy who is 100% opposed to everything Trump says and does. And 2 years later, man this Trump guy is awesome. And 2 years later back to the guy who is 180 from Trump.

It’s like what the fuck people?!!?!

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 12:29 PM (i+Y/j)

115 assuming you can't just read the Ball Blue Book and figure it out for yourself.

Posted by: Its Not Complicated

The latest Blue Ball book says in every recipe: "Add Ball this and that".
You have to get one if the older Ball Blue Book to get recipes that teach what to use not "buy our stuff".

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 12:32 PM (KjscJ)

116 >>>Tom Harkin (liberal dem) and Chuck Grassley (yep and he’s still there)…. Two opposites elected by the same people.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
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Ted Cruz and John Cornyn have entered the room.

Posted by: Braenyard, always late at July 13, 2024 12:32 PM (aNKhG)

117 Dr. Ruth Westheimer ("Dr. Ruth") has died at 96. I didn't know she was still alive.

She was nationally famous for preaching the virtues of contraception and plentiful safe sex.

But before all THAT, she was... a Haganah sniper!-- although Israel's War of Independence ended before she saw combat.

She stood 4'9" tall.

Posted by: KC Wolf (mnw) at July 13, 2024 12:34 PM (NLIak)

118 Willowed:

A man Is driving down a country road when he sees a priest hitchhiking, so, being a good catholic, he picks him up. They drive a bit further down the roadway, when the man then spots a well-known lawyer on his bicycle. Remembering that this man represented his ex wife during their divorce, an impulse of anger causes him to aim his car right at the lawyer. He then recalls the priest in his car, and at the last minute, swerves to miss him amidst loud noises. The man then turns to the priest and says, "Father, forgive me."
The Priest responds with, "Don't worry son, I got him with the door!"

Posted by: Ciampino - Sat Update #23 at July 13, 2024 12:34 PM (qfLjt)

119 I kept hoping for one of the bison to go postal...
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A remarkably descriptive phrase, lost however, on Gen-Z, and Millenials.

Some NP data:
https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/mortality-data.htm

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 13, 2024 12:35 PM (XeU6L)

120 I can't say much good about Tom Harkin, except when he exited stage left I haven't heard a fucking peep out of him since. So that's nice. At least he has the decency to STFU in his dotage.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 13, 2024 12:35 PM (9mQ3m)

121 Mike Lee is a Mormon nepot. His father, Rex Lee, was President of BYU and one of President Reagan's Solicitors General. His brother is on the Utah Supreme Court.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at July 13, 2024 12:36 PM (r5tfK)

122 Kentucky and Texas are examples of machine politics and overcoming machine politics. McConnell the machine man himself and Paul the man who overcame the machine.
Same in Texas with Cornyn to the core and Cruz in a red pickup going door to door.

Posted by: Braenyard, always late at July 13, 2024 12:36 PM (aNKhG)

123 Buffalo

It's OK to say Buffalo guys

Posted by: Common Tater at July 13, 2024 12:36 PM (9mQ3m)

124 I like Utah. A couple of weeks ago I spent the weekend with my son at a Christian men's retreat in Torrey. he lives in Sandy.

I love visiting, but wife and I have no desire to move there.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at July 13, 2024 12:37 PM (Ad8y9)

125 Don't know who is on the other side of Marjorie Taylor Greene but MTG is the self funded overcomer.

Posted by: Braenyard, always late at July 13, 2024 12:37 PM (aNKhG)

126 The latest Blue Ball book says in every recipe: "Add Ball this and that".
You have to get one if the older Ball Blue Book to get recipes that teach what to use not "buy our stuff".

To be fair, in 1975 the non-Ball stuff was all good. Now most of it's Chinesium, so name brands do matter.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2024 12:38 PM (FD5dr)

127 Contrast between Governor and Lt. Governor?

NC. Dan Cooper v. Mark Robinson. As stark a contrast as exists.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 13, 2024 12:38 PM (XeU6L)

128 When I was in high school and college, I was lucky enough to do about 350 miles cumulative in the Canyon - I absolutely love it. But if’s like any truly wild place - you have to respect it, understand it, and go with it, not fight it if you’re gonna go there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2024 12:38 PM (pgG81)

129 It's Kentucky now. It's the hill-jacks that used to dig coal that are to blame.
Posted by: Its Not Complicated at July 13, 2024 12:32 PM (E3fDX)

Don’t misunderstand me. Kentucky voters are much superior to those of CA NY etc…. I just can’t fathom their inconsistency. CA consistently chooses poorly…. Kentucky seems to get it with Paul and Trump and then turn around and choose McConnell and Beshears…. I don’t get it

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 13, 2024 12:40 PM (/BD4n)

130 Buffalo

It's OK to say Buffalo guys
Posted by: Common Tater at July 13, 2024 12:36 PM (9mQ3m)

Here in the south Puget Sound area we call them Bremaloes.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 13, 2024 12:42 PM (W/lyH)

131 That's Mormons. And that, honestly, is every Mormon I've ever met. Posted by: Its Not Complicated at July 13, 2024 12:40 PM (E3fDX)

According to Wikipedia, Rex Lee was first cousin to Morris and Stewart Udall.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at July 13, 2024 12:42 PM (r5tfK)

132 What does ProgMo stand for? I was sleeping during that lesson, apparently.

Posted by: Lady in Black at July 13, 2024 12:42 PM (mupln)

133 Big thumbs up on showcasing Peggy Lee, btw. A fabulous singer.

Posted by: Lady in Black at July 13, 2024 12:43 PM (mupln)

134 So that's nice. At least he has the decency to STFU in his dotage.
Posted by: Common Tater

Yeah, I'm so glad McCain finally shut up... now if we could shut up his daughter and get his widow out of AZ GOP. Sigh.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 12:44 PM (KjscJ)

135 Philly region, PA as a whole, the political ads come from video cuts taken from 01/06/21 (Alexandra's work & the 1/6 Committee, likely). Also, FJB screaming he's the best prepared to lead and PDT is a convicted felon. The new, big push in negative ads concerns the 2025 project & that PDT is trying to distance himself from it. (I wonder if it's a setup against him all along.)

Saw one or two countering ads of FJB unable to maneuver around a stage, answer questions cohesively. That means by 'their' interpretation, conservatives are big meanies with no platform other than the 2025 project.

Crazy K is back again today. FJB's campaign is wearing the crap out of voters with traffic jams.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 13, 2024 12:45 PM (NFX2v)

136 Cox has a thumb head.

Posted by: Lady in Black at July 13, 2024 12:45 PM (mupln)

137 Yeah, I'm so glad McCain finally shut up...
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The funeral's over???

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at July 13, 2024 12:45 PM (3Fz6p)

138 What does ProgMo stand for? I was sleeping during that lesson, apparently.
Posted by: Lady in Black

Progressive Mormon

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 12:45 PM (KjscJ)

139 Kentucky seems to get it with Paul and Trump and then turn around and choose McConnell and Beshears…. I don’t get it Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 13, 2024 12:40 PM (/BD4n)

What's the saying, all politics are local? Who knows how those guys are on constituent service, etc. I know that (at least until he ran for President) Ted Cruz could actually not give a flying f*ck what anyone outside the state thinks of him, because his constituents are Texans, who elected him to say no. That said, I have never understood the Cornyn appeal. He is originally from the San Antonio area and polls really well in the Hill Country, which is traditionally yellow dog Democrat (LBJ, etc.).

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at July 13, 2024 12:45 PM (r5tfK)

140 That's Mormons. And that, honestly, is every Mormon I've ever met.
Posted by: Its Not Complicated at July 13, 2024 12:40 PM (E3fDX)

B-N-L married a mormon girl. Nice girl. Their family and extended family are nice. I enjoy their company. However his son married a nice mormon girl from idaho. She is great, but damn! Her family are complete assholes. Once they heard Mrs.D.and I are not mormons, they never said another word to us.
Fine with me. I don't have to share my scotch.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 13, 2024 12:46 PM (W/lyH)

141 132
Chinesium

Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2024 12:38 PM (FD5dr)
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I like that as a possible element name like Administratium (the heaviest known element), etc.
Chinesium: symbol Ci ; Color: yellow ; easily mistaken for Fo Formosium, also yellow but more high grade and useful.

Posted by: Ciampino - Sat Update #24 at July 13, 2024 12:47 PM (qfLjt)

142 Yeah, I'm so glad McCain finally shut up...
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The funeral's over???
Posted by: Captain Obvious

As noted: only when the daughter and widow shut up and get out of the AZ GOP.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 12:47 PM (KjscJ)

143 Progressive Mormon

==

Ahh, thanks!

Posted by: Lady in Black at July 13, 2024 12:47 PM (mupln)

144 Worth mentioning that the federal government also has a huge presence in Utah. Lots and lots of public land, and with that public land come government employees, and the sway that public land has on the state government and population itself.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at July 13, 2024 12:48 PM (MZ+PY)

145 I don't have to share my scotch.
Posted by: Diogenes

Now that right there is funny.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 12:48 PM (KjscJ)

146 I grew up in a small Wyoming town that was half Mormon. Nice people, had a lot of Mormon friends. But I could never shake the feeling that there was something a little off about them.

I read a book not too long ago written by a man who grew up Mormon then left as an adult. It was eye-opening.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at July 13, 2024 12:48 PM (Ad8y9)

147 Some NP data:
https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/mortality-data.htm
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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93% on intentional deaths are suicide. Guess the other 7% are murders.

One back country visit a sign read: You are 190 miles from the closest medical facility (picture of a red cross), you are 180 miles from the closest wrecker (picture of wrecker towing car). You are here at your own risk. You are responsible for yourself and your actions. Park Service is not responsible for you.

Posted by: Braenyard, always late at July 13, 2024 12:49 PM (aNKhG)

148 Do not take ProgMo if you are allergic to ProgMo.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at July 13, 2024 12:49 PM (3Fz6p)

149 51. Oregon.
Posted by: Captain Obvious

But close alphabetically.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 13, 2024 12:49 PM (NFX2v)

150 During the War of the Roses - the two sides were completely polite. The entire time they were killing each other.
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The Earl Clifford got kind of rude after Wakefield.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at July 13, 2024 12:50 PM (3Fz6p)

151
It's OK to say Buffalo guys
Posted by: Common Tater

All right.
Buffalo guys won't you come out tonight.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 13, 2024 12:51 PM (63Dwl)

152 > McConnell the machine man himself and Paul the man who overcame the machine.
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McConnell's departure might cause the state to turn purple... if not outright blue. The cities (Louisville, Lexington and Frankfort) probably have the same population as the rest of the state, if not more.

And those cities are decidedly left.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 13, 2024 12:51 PM (Q4IgG)

153 That's Mormons. And that, honestly, is every Mormon I've ever met.

LOL. I fell down an algorithm crack into watching some pretty big Utah YouTubers. Actual Mormons. And they're all the dictionary definition of "good people". One dude has 4 sons, all of whom can weld at a reasonable level, and the oldest also can do custom CNC work and operate an old-fashioned metal brake. I'll take that 5 times out of 5 over a big city they/them.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2024 12:52 PM (FD5dr)

154 Fine with me. I don't have to share my scotch. Posted by: Diogenes at July 13, 2024 12:46 PM (W/lyH)

Funny thing about that. I have a b-i-l who is a lifelong Mormon. He says they have as much of a rate of substance abuse, etc., as everyone else does. Lots of rehabs and halfway houses specializing in LDS recovery. I know I always had the impression that they were all fruit juicers until I went on a trip down the Grand Canyon with some of them as guides and found out they have backsliders and people who aren't quite as observant, just like every other religion.

A little OT, but in Africa I walked through a 100% Mulsim neighborhood and know I smelled bacon cooking, and beer was easy to find, and people used to turn down the radio when prayers came on and keep on doing what they were doing, but everybody dressed up for mosque on Friday. Not unlike most places in America.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at July 13, 2024 12:52 PM (r5tfK)

155 "It's Not Complicated" is the man of many handles-Scogg's Dog's- newest handle?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2024 12:53 PM (Zy6LG)

156 133 Contrast between Governor and Lt. Governor?

NC. Dan Cooper v. Mark Robinson. As stark a contrast as exists.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 13, 2024 12:38 PM

Still shaking my head over that one!

Posted by: Moonbeam at July 13, 2024 12:54 PM (rbKZ6)

157 B-N-L married a mormon girl. Nice girl. Their family and extended family are nice. I enjoy their company. However his son married a nice mormon girl from idaho. She is great, but damn! Her family are complete assholes. Once they heard Mrs.D.and I are not mormons, they never said another word to us.
Fine with me. I don't have to share my scotch.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 13, 2024 12:46 PM (W/lyH)

My ex's previous ex is Mormon. The ex had a lot to say about the religion and her ex's family. Terrible things.

Now I'm inclined to believe none of it... at least the parts that had to do with his family. I don't have an opinion about the religion, or the people who participate in it, generally. I think it's weird, but lots of people believe lots of weird things. And so do I.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 12:55 PM (RFpWh)

158 Reminds me, need another bottle of scotch

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 12:55 PM (fwDg9)

159 Worth mentioning that the federal government also has a huge presence in Utah. Lots and lots of public land, and with that public land come government employees, and the sway that public land has on the state government and population itself.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at July 13, 2024 12:48 PM (MZ+PY)

This.
Clinton punished utah by declaring hundreds of thousands of acres public lands.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 13, 2024 12:55 PM (W/lyH)

160 When we went on 3 day hikes in the Canyon, a big part is planning your water and food needs for all 3 days, and also carefully weighing everything you carried (stay under 40 lbs). There were a couple of spots where canteens could be refilled, so you timed your route accordingly. You never go in without a very detailed plan.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2024 12:56 PM (pgG81)

161 I tried to get a progtard to agree to disagree and drop the subject as it was getting heated (much more on his part than mine) and the venue for a brawl was inappropriate (I didn't want to shoot him at the bar).

He wouldn't shut up. I wouldn't let him continue. I finally had to put my hand up and say "stop." He looked at me like I had just slapped him. Then he gathered his wits and changed the subject.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 13, 2024 12:57 PM (deIkU)

162 Netanyahu is scheduled to hold a presser at the Defense Ministry in 30 minutes.

The prevailing expectation is that he will announce & confirm the death of Hamas #2 Mohammed Deif.

I saw film of the attack on the private residence where Deif was believed to be. It looked like an atomic bomb had hit it.

If Deif was in that house, he's pushing up daisies. Israel merely said it had used "heavy weapons." I guess!

If Deif is dead, that's a major get for Israel indeed.

There are film & updates at Times of Israel (ToI) website.

Posted by: mnw at July 13, 2024 12:57 PM (NLIak)

163 As noted: only when the daughter and widow shut up and get out of the AZ GOP.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
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Widow's family has a big presents in AZ. Widow is the front.
McCain and his inlaws are synonyms.

When McCain was first campaigning he went to each of the distributorships, called all employees and mgt to the warehouse and announced that they could either vote him into office or have him as their boss.

Posted by: Braenyard, always late at July 13, 2024 12:58 PM (aNKhG)

164 162
oldest also can do custom CNC work and operate an old-fashioned metal brake

Posted by: Ian S. at July 13, 2024 12:52 PM (FD5dr)
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I have no idea what you posted: CNC and the brake something.

Posted by: Ciampino - Sat Update #25 at July 13, 2024 12:58 PM (qfLjt)

165 man of many handles-Scogg's Dog's- newest handle?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Good morning Fen!
I wouldn't doubt it at all.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 12:59 PM (KjscJ)

166 You know you don't have to vote for Trump,but it's not necessary to announce it...Romney and Collins both have said they will not vote Trump.. Do they think it makes them look better ?

Posted by: It's me donna at July 13, 2024 12:59 PM (IyPmt)

167 172 As noted: only when the daughter and widow shut up and get out of the AZ GOP.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
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Meagan chubbo McCain is married to a pretty Conservative Man.. Maybe it will help....

Posted by: It's me donna at July 13, 2024 01:00 PM (IyPmt)

168 Then he gathered his wits and changed the subject.
Posted by: nurse ratched

That must have taken a really long time!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 01:01 PM (KjscJ)

169 Since I grew up in Arizona, I’ve known many Mormons, some good, some bad, just like everybody else. And I leave it at that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2024 01:02 PM (pgG81)

170 Does killing the top Hamas asswipes matter? I’m
Not being facetious. Do they just get a new bunch of leaders and things go on? Kind of like with cartels. They arrest the leader of some
Cartel but nothing changes on the ground. The drugs and human trafficking is never affected. Then a new leader emerges. Rinse and repeat.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 01:02 PM (i+Y/j)

171 169 When we went on 3 day hikes in the Canyon...

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2024 12:56 PM (pgG81)
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Never did a three day hike, but I absolutely believe that you don't fully appreciate the scale until you've trekked all day into the canyon and still barely get a glimpse of the river.

Posted by: TRex at July 13, 2024 01:02 PM (IQ6Gq)

172 I know a few ex Mormons. They’re basically like yeah that’s some fucked up bullshit and I left once I was an adult.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 01:03 PM (i+Y/j)

173 I absolutely believe that you don't fully appreciate the scale until you've trekked all day into the canyon and still barely get a glimpse of the river.
Posted by: TRex

I don't 'trek' (lousy feet); but, riding a mule to their lunch spot is really the way to see the Canyon if you are not in excellent shape.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 01:05 PM (KjscJ)

174 179

I suspect it's not that easy. ToI is saying the house in question was a military command center, & that a lot of other Hamas bigshots also earned their virgins.

Posted by: mnw at July 13, 2024 01:05 PM (NLIak)

175 Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 12:59 PM (KjscJ)

Except for Scogg Dog his handles resemble each other-"It's Always Been This Way", "It's Not Complicated". I think one was "You don't get it, do you?". Something along those lines.He also uses the s word in every post. It's fine to use "s*** but unless he wants to be identified he probably shouldn't use it in every post. Maybe he should change his handle to "Love and cupcakes"or "I just love sunflowers". That would throw people off.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2024 01:06 PM (Zy6LG)

176 One of my besties married a bigly big liberal. He was a bigly big conservative. Sadly over time he went left instead of her going right. Today he’s a NeverTrunper who thinks January 6 was the mostest worstest day in American history. But still fancies him a “conservative”. He’s our version of Jonah Goldberg. 🤪

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 01:06 PM (i+Y/j)

177 >>>He wouldn't shut up. I wouldn't let him continue. I finally had to put my hand up and say "stop." He looked at me like I had just slapped him. Then he gathered his wits and changed the subject.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Happened to me at a polling area, voting in the primary. Outside the perimeter line are all the protagonists passing out cards and such. I, somehow, got between two opposing people who wouldn't let up. It went on and on a bit until, finally, I held up my hand and firmly said - enough. They, as that fellow you were dealing with, collected themselves and lucky for them. As the disagreement ceased and I began to walk on to vote, two cop cars rolled up.

Posted by: Braenyard, always late at July 13, 2024 01:06 PM (aNKhG)

178 What I love most about the Grand Canyon is that it’s one of the only places I’ve been where, when you’re all the way down in it, you really feel like you’re in some other world unconnected to this one. Every sub-canyon has its micro climate, which is amazing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2024 01:06 PM (pgG81)

179 Anyone know if the top pic is actually Utah?
I can name a couple of spots in CA and AZ that look like that and I'm sure others could point to N.M, and WY.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 01:07 PM (KjscJ)

180 he labeled himself as "he/him"
__________________

Shouldn't that be "he/his/him?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 13, 2024 01:07 PM (YqDXo)

181 TOI - Arch-terrorist’s fate unconfirmed; army says Deif and head of Khan Younis Brigade were hit in fenced-off Hamas area surrounded by dozens of operatives; no hostages believed in vicinity.

The head of Hamas's military wing Muhammad Deif (right) and Rafa’a Salameh, the commander of Hamas’s Khan Younis Brigade, in an undated photo. (Courtesy)
Explainer Muhammad Deif: Oct. 7 architect evaded Israel for decades, survived 7 bids to kill him By TOI Staff and Reuters

Army hits Gaza depot storing Oct. 7 paragliders; intercepts aerial targets near Eilat, and IDF says it killed Shejaiya battalion deputy chief, found Hamas command room at UNRWA site. Both by By EMANUEL FABIAN, TOI Staff and Agencies

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 13, 2024 01:08 PM (NFX2v)

182 179 Does killing the top Hamas asswipes matter?
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Yes, killing them matters. Killing every one of them matters. If it demoralizes them great. If it invigorates them to show themselves more aggressively all the better.

Posted by: Braenyard, always late at July 13, 2024 01:09 PM (aNKhG)

183 He wouldn't shut up. I wouldn't let him continue. I finally had to put my hand up and say "stop." He looked at me like I had just slapped him. Then he gathered his wits and changed the subject.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 13, 2024 12:57 PM (deIkU)

Adam Corolla has good advice, that can be more generalized, but a situation like this he would suggest be polite, but always have a "Go F yourself" in the chamber for that moment when the other person demonstrates they're not going to be polite.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 01:10 PM (U60CB)

184 The leadership of the Mormon Church has been sort of hijacked by progressives. It's reminiscent of what's happened with the Vatican.

Your rank and file Mormon is usually very conservative, but there is a very "Illuminati" type power the Mormon church wields. They go out of their way to crush any sort of "hard right" Republican Mormons.

Posted by: Blago at July 13, 2024 01:11 PM (Vbo3t)

185 Up cleaning off roof and gutters

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 01:11 PM (fwDg9)

186 Oh good! The vice principal is here to make sure we all behave!

Posted by: Test pattern at July 13, 2024 01:11 PM (GLocS)

187 Re: Biden is finished, Hamas leaders: I worry about the same thing, Hezbollah leaders as well. Sure it’s nice to take same out, but are they really irreplaceable, or just a dime a dozen? Relying on this can be of way of making it look like you’re doing something when you’re really not.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2024 01:11 PM (pgG81)

188 My state has scum at all levels.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at July 13, 2024 11:33 AM (3Fz6p)
_______________

You're in California too?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 13, 2024 01:12 PM (YqDXo)

189
Yes, killing them matters. Killing every one of them matters. If it demoralizes them great. If it invigorates them to show themselves more aggressively all the better.
Posted by: Braenyard

I look positively at the loss of experience... just like any company that fires all the people who know how things work. coughBOEINGcough.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 01:12 PM (KjscJ)

190 The Canyon is spectacular, but it is largely inaccessible by car in terms of backcountry visitation and you have to be committed to visit one side, or the other.

The areas north into Utah are practically just as scenic, and have thousands of miles of good graded county maintained roads that are suitable for even high clearance 2wd cars. Mostly bureau of land management jurisdiction camping is free. Load up with plenty of water and food and you can spend the rest of your life exploring.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 13, 2024 01:13 PM (9mQ3m)

191 187 Servo

What are your thoughts as to the military value of eliminating the enemy's leadership?

I always call "Bullzh*t!" on "for every one who dies, ten will rise up to take his place!" My adz.

I also think that Hamas' newly discovered flexibility in the ceasefire negotiations is a proximate result of getting their ass kicked on the battlefield.

Finding & destroying many/most of those tunnels connecting Gaza to Egypt seems like a splendid idea.

Posted by: mnw at July 13, 2024 01:13 PM (NLIak)

192 Does killing the top Hamas asswipes matter? I’m
Not being facetious. Do they just get a new bunch of leaders and things go on? Kind of like with cartels. They arrest the leader of some
Cartel but nothing changes on the ground. The drugs and human trafficking is never affected. Then a new leader emerges. Rinse and repeat.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 01:02 PM (i+Y/j)

No, it doesn't matter, and I'm not being facetious either. No matter how much you make the rubble bounce in Gaza, you're leaving the powers that be alive and well, in fancy hotels in Qatar. Or I suppose if Qatar wants them out, they can go to Paris or London or Los Angeles, and they'll be fine.

This is the fundamental flaw of the Israeli plan. To eliminate Hamas, you will NEVER do the job, because you're blowing up the wrong people.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 01:14 PM (U60CB)

193 Wrong wording. It does matter of course killing them. Kill ‘em all!!

What I meant was will it have an effect? Hamas won’t go away if its #2 is killed. There will just be a new #2. That kind of thing.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 01:14 PM (i+Y/j)

194 Hopefully it's not as Sundowner sa I'd A complete agreement to his Israel surrenders it's protection to a 3rd party force and rebuilding Hamas by the US

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 01:14 PM (fwDg9)

195 As noted: only when the daughter and widow shut up and get out of the AZ GOP.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
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Widow's family has a big presents in AZ. Widow is the front.
McCain and his inlaws are synonyms.

When McCain was first campaigning he went to each of the distributorships, called all employees and mgt to the warehouse and announced that they could either vote him into office or have him as their boss.
Posted by: Braenyard
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Nobody really cares about John McCain anymore in AZ, it's just dumb Republican politicians that choose to bring him into their races and then these two bitches get made relevant.

Kari Lake in the closing days of her failed Governor campaign decided blasting a former dead Senator was somehow going to get her extra votes.

Posted by: Blago at July 13, 2024 01:15 PM (Vbo3t)

196 183 179

I suspect it's not that easy. ToI is saying the house in question was a military command center, & that a lot of other Hamas bigshots also earned their virgins.

Posted by: mnw at July 13, 2024 01:05 PM (NLIak)
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Also imagine not wanting to stay or sleep inside but then not feeling safe out in an open field either. Ever. Eventually your nerves are shot, virgins or no virgins.
If you've seen those nighttime gunship videos, with infra-red, everyone on the ground is a brightly illuminated body.

Posted by: Ciampino - Sat Update #26 at July 13, 2024 01:16 PM (qfLjt)

197
he labeled himself as "he/him"
__________________

Shouldn't that be "he/his/him?"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Santa Claus ho/ho/ho

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 13, 2024 01:17 PM (63Dwl)

198 164 "It's Not Complicated" is the man of many handles-Scogg's Dog's- newest handle?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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If not. It's his brother.

Good to see you. Hope you and yours are doing well.

Posted by: Braenyard, always late at July 13, 2024 01:18 PM (aNKhG)

199 I roll my eyes (inwardly) at people who need to list their pronouns- if they're not obviously some guy wearing a dress. Some of my younger colleagues do this (at the bottom of Zoom Calls). There's some guy with a beard and mustache whom I've known for about 10 years, who has four kids and a wife . His name is some ly masculine name but he lists he/him for pronouns. Then there's the woman who went on maternity leave (and before she did she looked very pregnant) and carries the baby around in a pouch thing and who has a husband. I figured out the gender of both of them without seeing their pronoun choices.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2024 01:18 PM (Zy6LG)

200 Romney and Collins both have said they will not vote Trump.. Do they think it makes them look better ?
Posted by: It's me donna

It looks better with the people that count: CNN, MSNBC and other media outlets looking for a token "Republican" viewpoint. Maybe we could get an occasional article in The Bulwark!!

Posted by: RINOs everywhere at July 13, 2024 01:18 PM (C5yB4)

201 Re: Biden is finished, Hamas leaders: I worry about the same thing, Hezbollah leaders as well. Sure it’s nice to take same out, but are they really irreplaceable, or just a dime a dozen? Relying on this can be of way of making it look like you’re doing something when you’re really not.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2024 01:11 PM (pgG81)

I know people don't want to hear it, but there are many out there who are claiming Israel can't do what they claim they want. They can't end Hamas, and if they try to take on Hezbollah, not only can they not win, but they might end up destroying the state of Israel.

These are not people who hate Jews, or even anti-Zionists. They are looking at the data, and it looks bad, very bad, for Israel.

Time will tell.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 01:19 PM (kvTlp)

202 When I’m close to retiring I will list my pronouns as fuck and off. I’m actually looking forward to that day.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 01:19 PM (i+Y/j)

203 Is tonight the night for Vance?

Posted by: mnw at July 13, 2024 01:20 PM (NLIak)

204 If not. It's his brother.

What's his brother's name, "I know this stuff"?

Good to see you. Hope you and yours are doing well.

Thanks. We are. We went to the PA Dutch market in the nest county where everybody is so very pleasant ,and the drive up there is lovely with lots of cornflowers by the road.

Hope you and your family are well.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2024 01:20 PM (Zy6LG)

205 Then infuriating part about all this is the one sided nature. There are no fake Democrats in deep blue states. Only fake Republicans in deep red states.

The left plays the game better.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 01:21 PM (i+Y/j)

206 another way in which utah is weird. legend has it that when it became a state, the feds wanted some assurance that the state was bipartisan. so The Church (you know which one) went through the wards, assigning members to the republican and democrat parties. to this day, legend has it, people tend to be republican or democrat because that's the party to which their ancestors were assigned rather than for ideological reasons.

Posted by: cheap fake anachronda at July 13, 2024 01:21 PM (edU/H)

207 Politicians are, generally, cowards and will kowtow to whichever demographic seems like "the strong horse" when in public. Whether they actually identify with that group is debatable, but I'm betting they're afraid of them more than anything else.

The alphabet people are a very small minority with way too much perceived pull in society.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 13, 2024 01:21 PM (Q4IgG)

208 I know people don't want to hear it, but there are many out there who are claiming Israel can't do what they claim they want. They can't end Hamas,

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They can. But that would involved a lot of killing in places outside Gaza. And they can’t politically do that, for obvious reasons. So realistically speaking you’re right.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 01:23 PM (i+Y/j)

209 Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 01:19 PM (i+Y/j

LOL Do you have to list your pronouns now at your work or this is just is something you're looking forward to, along with the celebratory luncheon which your colleagues will hopefully pay for?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2024 01:23 PM (Zy6LG)

210 Didn't want to but should go get leaf blower

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 01:23 PM (fwDg9)

211 197 he labeled himself as "he/him"
__________________

Shouldn't that be "he/his/him?"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Santa Claus ho/ho/ho

hum/bug

Posted by: ebeneezer scrooge at July 13, 2024 01:24 PM (edU/H)

212 If you've seen those nighttime gunship videos, with infra-red, everyone on the ground is a brightly illuminated body.
Posted by: Ciampino -
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I like the story of Trump in conference with one of their top dogs reaching an impasse with Big Dog implying that Trump couldn't stop him, Trump hands Big Dog a picture of his home then gets up and leaves without saying another word.

Posted by: Braenyard, always late at July 13, 2024 01:24 PM (aNKhG)

213 Good afternoon everyone.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 13, 2024 01:24 PM (WXNFJ)

214 In actual numbers the "left" is a minority. But due to their nature of wanting control over others, the ability to seize things they didn't earn, their backing by rich elites, and the fact that their lives revolve around their issues, they out punch their size. Their natural opposition , the "right", are inclined to focus on other things, wish to be left alone and leave others alone, are interested in seeing what they can achieve themselves, and don't have a drive to control others.

Posted by: azjaeger at July 13, 2024 01:26 PM (3/XaG)

215 LOL Do you have to list your pronouns now at your work or this is just is something you're looking forward to, along with the celebratory luncheon which your colleagues will hopefully pay for?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2024 01:23 PM (Zy6LG)

I assume there are some places where it's required, but generally employers were encouraging people to do it a few years ago, and now when you get an email from someone, and the pronouns are listed, it means the person is either A. gay, or B. a feminazi, or 3. a dumbass.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 01:26 PM (GtZ7X)

216 —

They can. But that would involved a lot of killing in places outside Gaza. And they can’t politically do that, for obvious reasons. So realistically speaking you’re right.
Posted by: Biden is Finished
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Clean out Gaza and Lebanon is a good start.

Posted by: Braenyard, always late at July 13, 2024 01:26 PM (aNKhG)

217 LOL Do you have to list your pronouns now at your work or this is just is something you're looking forward to, along with the celebratory luncheon which your colleagues will hopefully pay for?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2024 01:23 PM (Zy6LG)

I’ve yet to list any pronouns anywhere. My company is pretty chill on things like that. Some people do, most don’t. There’s no official policy on it either way.

I can honestly say I have no idea what my co-workers politics are. We never talk about it. Which is perfect. And I’m guessing it’s pretty evenly mixed given the demographics. But somehow or other, it’s work only and none of the bullshit.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 01:26 PM (i+Y/j)

218 The alphabet people are a very small minority with way too much perceived pull in society.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

While true, their influence extends well beyond their queer ranks. A army of millions of AWFLs stands at the ready to fight for them, to feel like their easy, empty, privileged life has some meaning and purpose, fighting against evil.

And far too many politicians are afraid of being called some type of istaphobe by lunatics and losers.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at July 13, 2024 01:27 PM (C5yB4)

219 I agree Burt. I have praised the IDF for the good things they’ve done; but whenever they get close to accomplishing something they back off and refuse to go for the kill.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2024 01:28 PM (pgG81)

220 Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 01:26 PM (i+Y/j)

Good; I'm glad you don't have to deal with that. I've never listed my pronouns either.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2024 01:28 PM (Zy6LG)

221 In actual numbers the "left" is a minority. But due to their nature of wanting control over others, the ability to seize things they didn't earn, their backing by rich elites, and the fact that their lives revolve around their issues, they out punch their size. Their natural opposition , the "right", are inclined to focus on other things, wish to be left alone and leave others alone, are interested in seeing what they can achieve themselves, and don't have a drive to control others.
Posted by: azjaeger at July 13, 2024 01:26 PM (3/XaG)

It's a money thing, and those who sink their money into controlling civilization are inclined to give it over to leftist politicians/causes, because there's much much much more room to control the world through those beliefs and institutions.

Of course, it wasn't THAT long ago when money flowed into and out of the Military Industrial Complex, and other big corps, through Republican pols. Now it doesn't seem to matter to those people... or they're into leaning much further left.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 01:29 PM (GtZ7X)

222 But that would involved a lot of killing in places outside Gaza. And they can’t politically do that, for obvious reasons. So realistically speaking you’re right.
Posted by: Biden is Finished

Don't be too sure.
-- Captain William McGonagle, skipper of USS Liberty

Posted by: Tonypete at July 13, 2024 01:30 PM (WXNFJ)

223 214 In actual numbers the "left" is a minority.

—

Depends a lot on what the definition of right/left is. However, we (right) are by no means a majority. I doubt even a plurality anymore.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 01:30 PM (i+Y/j)

224 AZ deplorable moron at July 13, 2024 01:07 PM

Yes that's actually Utah. Antelope Island and some of the Great Salt Lake, with part of Davis County in the foreground. My cousin took the photo.

There are bison on Antelope Island. Or were.

Posted by: KT at July 13, 2024 01:30 PM (rrtZS)

225 Jack Poso 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec

BREAKING: Tucker Carlson to speak at the RNC

Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 13, 2024 01:32 PM (TGPs7)

226 I agree Burt. I have praised the IDF for the good things they’ve done; but whenever they get close to accomplishing something they back off and refuse to go for the kill.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2024 01:28 PM (pgG81)

The other thing people don't want to hear is for some decades now, Israel has been inclined to NOT finish things, one way or another, because the status quo has served their interests better than a resolution would.

Well, not just Israel, but Washington DC too.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 01:32 PM (GtZ7X)

227 179 Anyone know if the top pic is actually Utah?
I can name a couple of spots in CA and AZ that look like that and I'm sure others could point to N.M, and WY.

caption says "antelope island", and that is, in fact, what antelope island looks like.

Posted by: anachronda at July 13, 2024 01:33 PM (edU/H)

228 Jack Poso 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec

BREAKING: Tucker Carlson to speak at the RNC
Posted by: Mister Ghost at July 13, 2024 01:32 PM (TGPs7)

Meh. I'm going to be around family while the convention is going on, and they're all going to want to watch it.

All things considered, I'd rather watch zit popping videos, and people pulling spiders/bugs out of their ears and noses.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 01:34 PM (GtZ7X)

229 Pronghorn! (You can't say Antelope either)

Buffalo. You can say Buffalo. Stupid fuckers

Posted by: Common Tater at July 13, 2024 01:35 PM (9mQ3m)

230 You know.

Just like the Covid shots, some people are bullied into filling out their pronouns in a signature line.

And the preoccupation with scogg dog is troubling. Why not just skip his comments if they annoy you? It's bordering on obsession.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 13, 2024 01:35 PM (CDGpN)

231 These are not people who hate Jews, or even anti-Zionists. They are looking at the data, and it looks bad, very bad, for Israel.

Time will tell.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 01:19 PM (kvTlp)

I’ve seen much of the same, and these are serious milbloggers who count forces, not partisans. Thanks to Iran’s patronage, Hezbollah now is more powerful than several of the smaller countries in the region. People sometimes ask why the Lebanese Government doesn’t do anything about them; Hezbollah now outguns the Lebanese Government by about a 10-1 ratio.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2024 01:35 PM (pgG81)

232 Sorry but I don't buy the "ProgMo" line. Until the 80s, Utah was a very competitive state, what with over 20 years of Dem governors Calvin Rampton and Scott Matheson.

The notion that those fleeing California and the northeast are "blue locusts" bringing their pernicious voting habits is not supported by the numbers. Here in Florida the GOP has opened a 900,000 voter registration gap over the Dems. Looks like those new arrivals from NY/NJ/PA/New England are escapees, not missionaries.

Posted by: Ash is a damn robot! at July 13, 2024 01:36 PM (c0NyP)

233
Of course, it wasn't THAT long ago when money flowed into and out of the Military Industrial Complex, and other big corps, through Republican pols. Now it doesn't seem to matter to those people... or they're into leaning much further left

I think its reasonably observable that in the 70s it was decided by the tippy tops that the majority of R&D money should go into IT\computers. Previously it was mechanically based, physical things. We are still building basically the same physical things we built in the 70s, just out of cheaper materials and lighter. Only difference is computer chips replacing as many physical operations as possible. Personally I feel that the tippy tops have a dream of intelligent machines doing all the work for them so they don't have to bother with the icky not thems in any way. Machines don't have to be manipulated, jived, or convinced to do as they are told. Incredibly advanced computers are the only way to get there for them.

Posted by: azjaeger at July 13, 2024 01:39 PM (3/XaG)

234 State governors, even the most lefty and far-out, got a lot of love from women, in particular, for "protecting" them during COVID. It's how you end up with Cooper being reelected in NC, though Robinson won by a big margin. 19th Amendment has been dangerous from the outset.

Posted by: Ultra MAGA Man at July 13, 2024 01:41 PM (V5BDR)

235 BREAKING: Tucker Carlson to speak at the RNC
Posted by: Mister Ghost
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Predicted AP Headline:
"MAGA liar to speak at the RNC"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 13, 2024 01:42 PM (XeU6L)

236 Depends a lot on what the definition of right/left is. However, we (right) are by no means a majority. I doubt even a plurality anymore.

Indeed. The definitions of left and right are completely obsolete, but it serves the "left" for people to think "left" means fun cool people who are open to new things, and\or crusaders for equity so they will NOT discuss that in reality "left" now stands for a rigid, elite dominated control society of elites and drones.

Posted by: azjaeger at July 13, 2024 01:45 PM (3/XaG)

237 Listen up!

You people and you self-identifications can fuck off.

I'll go with Shakespeare on this, unless some fucking loser made him go woke too without my knowledge.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 13, 2024 01:46 PM (2UBPP)

238
Predicted AP Headline:
"MAGA liar to speak at the RNC"
Posted by: Mike Hammer

That will be the headline every day.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 13, 2024 01:48 PM (63Dwl)

239 Posted by: nurse ratched at July 13, 2024 01:35 PM (CDGpN

Your need to appear from the ozone-including at 3:00 in the morning PNW time about my character flaws- when I have said nothing rude to you or abut you as well as to gather a group on cafe thread to insult me looks like obsession. You have already said that to me about Scogg Dog, and BTW others usually know that it's him as well and said so. Why not ignore my posts? Follow your own advice

I have said to Scogg Dogg several times that I think he's a
very smart man and I think he has an empathy for smart people who feel the odd man l left out by their peers. He has been kind about my son. It's more of a puzzle solving about Scogg Dog's latest handles. It's not as if i know him in real life and it WAS his original handle.

Adios.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 13, 2024 01:49 PM (Zy6LG)

240 I call them buffalo. Always have, always will. Bison is kind of a faggy word.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Nothing to Contribute to the Debate at July 13, 2024 01:50 PM (Ad8y9)

241 You're in California too?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 13, 2024 01:12 PM (YqDXo)
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California's hat.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at July 13, 2024 01:51 PM (3Fz6p)

242
Depends a lot on what the definition of right/left is. However, we (right) are by no means a majority. I doubt even a plurality anymore.

Indeed. The definitions of left and right are completely obsolete, but it serves the "left" for people to think "left" means fun cool people who are open to new things, and\or crusaders for equity so they will NOT discuss that in reality "left" now stands for a rigid, elite dominated control society of elites and drones.
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We might be in the majority. The trouble is, people don't know what what they are. They have tons of conservative ideals yet vote Democrat because they don't know what Republicans actually do and what we value.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 13, 2024 01:53 PM (lCaJd)

243 The gardening thread is up, too.

Posted by: KT at July 13, 2024 01:53 PM (rrtZS)

244 I’ve seen much of the same, and these are serious milbloggers who count forces, not partisans. Thanks to Iran’s patronage, Hezbollah now is more powerful than several of the smaller countries in the region. People sometimes ask why the Lebanese Government doesn’t do anything about them; Hezbollah now outguns the Lebanese Government by about a 10-1 ratio.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 13, 2024 01:35 PM (pgG81)

Some of these same people are warning that the U.S. could very well be exposed as a paper tiger (my term), especially if we try to take on Russia more directly. Or Iran, for that matter.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 13, 2024 01:56 PM (GtZ7X)

245 We might be in the majority. The trouble is, people don't know what what they are. They have tons of conservative ideals yet vote Democrat because they don't know what Republicans actually do and what we value.

And then, of course, there's the giant disconnect in values and goals between the majority of the actual Republican Party and the majority of the people who vote for Republicans. Not that that also doesn't exist with the Democrat Party

Posted by: azjaeger at July 13, 2024 01:59 PM (3/XaG)

246 10 concepts (from Ancient Rome) that explain the modern world:

1. The Tacitus Razor: �If you want to know who controls you, see who you�re not allowed to criticize.� This is how comedians accidently reveal a society's hierarchy�they call everyone naked, and soon discover who the� pic.twitter.com/ApBItEsL41

— Jash Dholani (@oldbooksguy) July 11, 2024
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Several are actually from Greece, e.g., Herodotus.

The part about defining a free man is on the right track. The key is understanding that to be free is to be responsible for one's actions, and then to realize that it's not an on/off switch. Think of what kind of behavior we give more or less leeway to people, under different conditions. Like how much stress they are under.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 13, 2024 02:01 PM (1bNHn)

247 When I’m close to retiring I will list my pronouns as fuck and off. I’m actually looking forward to that day.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 01:19 PM (i+Y/j)

I went with Blow and Me.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 13, 2024 02:07 PM (W/lyH)

248 but I don't buy the "ProgMo" line. Until the 80s, Utah was a very competitive state, what with over 20 years of Dem governors Calvin Rampton and Scott Matheson.

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80s Dems in the west are nothing like 2020s Dems. An 80s western state Dem would be considered right wing by todays standards.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 13, 2024 02:08 PM (i+Y/j)

249 Just like the Covid shots, some people are bullied into filling out their pronouns in a signature line.
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There are stories.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 13, 2024 02:11 PM (aNKhG)

250 Wow. Talk about lashing out.

I've not attacked you personally. I have only mentioned a frustration with your ongoing religious omnipotence. I find it offensive when you purport to tell me what I believe or how I should believe.

You are free to attack posters but no one is allowed to challenge you?

Jeepers.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 13, 2024 02:12 PM (wmNFJ)

251 ==============

We might be in the majority. The trouble is, people don't know what what they are. They have tons of conservative ideals yet vote Democrat because they don't know what Republicans actually do and what we value.
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Our legal system is an analogue. Ignorance of a law does not exempt you from it. - Judge, I didn't know I was speeding -

That's the way Republicans operate - it's your responsibility to be informed -. Whereas the Democrats are evangelicals and recruiters. It is their lifeblood to increase their flock.

A republican is a whole within himself.
A Democrat is a hole that must constantly be filled.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 13, 2024 02:23 PM (aNKhG)

252 I think of the left as collectivists.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 13, 2024 02:27 PM (5MvGY)

253 To hot out so reading

Posted by: Skip at July 13, 2024 02:41 PM (fwDg9)

254 KT, thank you especially for the Weekend Musing. Very interesting.

Posted by: Emmie at July 13, 2024 02:52 PM (Sf2cq)

255 I really think a lot of the leftist influence in Utah comes from the emphasis on education. And also the predominance of government employment.

There seems to be adistrust of government (historical) along with a recognition that they are omnipresent.

Posted by: KT at July 13, 2024 03:06 PM (rrtZS)

256 We are still building basically the same physical things we built in the 70s, just out of cheaper materials and lighter.

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People don't want to stare at this too long, but - outside of telecoms, which could probably be argued against, too - we haven't invented anything of merit since the 60s and 70s. And "invented" in that usage is mostly pointing at widespread public adoption of microwave ovens, a tech which was invented long before then.

Like you said, everything is smaller, lighter, faster, and cheaper. But nothing is new.

That's not a good thing.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Women are more likely to accidentally kill themselves than be killed by a man at July 13, 2024 03:17 PM (08Sk0)

257 Mike Lee is no prize, either. He supports both immigration amnesty and "criminal justice reform."

Posted by: Screw Mike Lee at July 13, 2024 03:24 PM (/7SwX)

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